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Opening Schools: Mission Impossible

The Indicator from Planet Money

08:45 min | Last month

Opening Schools: Mission Impossible

"N. P. R.. Is Back to school season. Of course this year it's more like back to school season back to maybe baby season. Yeah. A lot of schools are still wrestling with the question of just data have school will it be online classes? Only will there be in-person teaching some kind of mix, and it is a really emotional topic. Every state is handling it differently. There is a ton of pressure from every side in Indiana, for instance, state lawmakers really wanted to see. Kids back in school parents were saying we need this, we need the so we can go back to work also to get the best education for our kids start getting back to normal a little bit. So state lawmakers told the schools hey, you need open for in-person learning or otherwise you could see your state funding cut by fifteen percent doctor. Flora Reichenad remembers this moment very well she is a superintendent of Schools in Indianapolis for Pike Township, we are A. Majority. Minority district we have eighty five different languages spoken in our schools, eighty five languages and eleven. Thousand Kids in Grades K. through twelve to lot. So floor here's this mandate from the state IRL in real life or else. But then also over the summer at floors, school district gets hit really hard by COVID nineteen. We saw a spike in positivity cases, which is why the Marion County Health Department closed bars recently again more than ten percent of the residents. In her area were testing positive for cove nineteen and the parents were freaking out, so are the teachers like it's not safe for these kids to go back to school, you cannot put people's lives in jeopardy schools need to be online to complicate things. Virtual learning is really tricky and Flores district because more than half of for students do not have access to a computer for many of our families. The only device that they had available was a cell phone. And if you have multiple children. Using a single cell phone or to be honest learning from a cell phone is not an ideal situation. This is the indicator from planet money. I'm Stacey Manic Smith and I'm Carlos Garcia Dr Flora Reichenad found herself in a kind of mission impossible situation. She had to find a way to educate thousands of students in a way that makes sure that they all have the best education and keep them safe and do all that with no money actually less than no money. Remember there's the fifteen percent budget. This kind of pressure would have crushed most people. Now, floral floor made a plan floor made up plans. Plural. Multiple Plants Spoiler alert these plans did not include jumping out of an exploding helicopter unlike most mission impossible plans that is true although I would argue metaphorically did yeah sort of. Support for NPR in the following message comes from Tiaa committed to the idea that while most things in life run out from clean shirts in the morning to a favorite dessert at night lifetime income in retirement shouldn't learn more at Tiaa dot org slash never run out. Support for NPR and the following message come from you studio you studio sit distributes corporate audio and video content to employees use use studio to manage your company's public or private podcast Trang remotely share meetings and town halls and improve employee communication. Start Your Free Thirty Day trial at the letter you studio dot Com. Doctor. Flora Right Qader runs the Pike School district in Indianapolis. She is in charge of eleven thousand students and most of them do not have ready access to high speed internet or devices that would make remote learning possible. Also, if she opted for remote learning, it might mean losing fifteen percent of her state funding four point four million dollars to be exact and so of course, then you have lots of sleepless nights thinking. What am I gonNA? Do what what has to go when you lose four point four million dollars not only that floor needed to spend money to get equipment and Internet access to thousands of students in case, virtual learning needed to happen, and also to get equipment for the school itself. In case, school opened back up and social distancing needed to happen before making any plans flora needed to deal with the money situation. So the first thing she did was prepared for that fifteen percent cut, we will have to make some significant cuts by either increasing class sizes. Reducing, the number of course, offerings like related arts and things like that, which would be so devastating because it's what makes a child well rounded. But something has to give. In the meantime, Flora wrangled a few hundred, thousand dollars from the cares act and from a city fund and she took out a loan. She issued a school bond for five point, three, million dollars and floors district was already in debt from bond sheet issued a few years ago. So now her district is more than fifteen million dollars in debt but summer was ending in flora was still waiting to see with the state would say, and what would happen with covert cases and eleven. Thousand students are counting on her for education safety meals, safe space. So she developed her plans a and a plan B. and Plan C. Plan D. trying to work forward with what are all the what ifs plan. GOING BACK TO SCHOOL IRL classes in session butts in the seats that meant making the physical schools as safe as possible for the kids coming back, we have social distance. Stickers that go on the floor. We've also invested in what we call our classroom barriers. There actually plexiglass and they're clear barriers that go on top of the dusk. So that is plan A. so now we'll jump to plan d the polar opposite of planet. The other extreme that floor had to prepare for a one hundred percent virtual learning that means every kid needs a computer and Wifi and remember more than half of floors. Students do not have a computer and a lot of them do not have proper WIFI which meant that if the school shutdown, these kids would have no way of attending class the district already invested in chromebooks that students in need to check out, they just made the checkout longer and bought more chromebooks at this time. Every student who needed a chromebook has one boom plan de Plans B and C were hybrids. So students come in alternating days week by last name or by classroom, and they go to class online the other days. So it's kind of and then floor awaited with Oliver plans at the ready to see what the state would say in what would happen with covert cases that that has been a very emotional roller coaster in in just the last two weeks the verdict. Butts in seats go. So we're going to plan A and plan B also plan a and plan B.. Yes. So here's what's going on the elementary students are back fulltime all the kids middle school and high school students have a choice floor said Cova cases are still a little high in the area. So students could opt for virtual learning for this semester and about forty percent of students did opt for virtual learning the other sixty percent are coming to school unless of course, there is an outbreak of Kobe at, of course, flora has a plan for that to, of course, she has a plans again she has plans. Yes, she does. This episode of the indicator was produced by Britney Cronin and Nick Fountain the indicators edited by Paddy Hirsch and production of NPR. 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What If We Just Cut Everybody A Little Slack?

Marketing Secrets

16:44 min | 2 years ago

What If We Just Cut Everybody A Little Slack?

"Hey, everybody. This is Russell Brunson on welcome you to a late night marketing secrets podcast is Halloween. I've got an in Turkey treating and dropped off Blake. He's been filming Ken scenes it. Everything's last week the hotel. I'm driving home in a wanna share with the S and thoughts. So the big questions this hour on brewers like us. He didn't cheat and take on venture capital through spending money for own pockets Mark in a way to let us get our products and our services, and the things we believe in out to the world and yet still remained profitable question. In this podcast will give you the answer. My name's also Brunson and welcome the marketing secrets. All right, everybody. So this is probably less of a marketing thing in more of a lifing. Hope you don't mind if I share this. But I'm on my mind a little bit hasn't been having so much fun my kids. So we had Halloween tonight. Which is crazy. Like, I I I used to love Halloween. It used to be my favorite holiday by far. I think I've recently transitioned from how we be my favorites. Now, the fourth of July just because like fireworks age. My kids are now fireworks. I think more fun. The last year. I didn't I didn't know those going to happen. So like make your star. Lashed. Wrestling wrestling practice, happens till five thirty every night and six so last Halloween. That's what was happening. You'll get rustling practice race home my head, and my I'm gonna wear my new Batman costume, which if you has my Batman costume. It is amazing but takes like an hour at least put it on. So I was like I'm racing home. I'm like, I don't buy Batman costume. And I'm kind of bummed because I wanted to wear that was so excited for it. They get home. The kids are eating at these. Crazy Dawson the doorbell rings my God trick or treaters run the door. And it's my daughter's friend, she's like all Kelly can trigger treaty with me. And I like, I don't even know how to explain what happened like it broke, my heart, and I didn't want to like, no, this is this is my holiday he my wife's like, no, this is the kids holiday as and I was like, they broke my heart. And so we let her go with her friends, and then and then the boys want to go their friends, so drop going one of our twins off. So it'd be one of the twins Nora who fell asleep in the car. As we're dropping the kids the kids often at Aden and went out, and I remember like it was the most depressing day of my life. Like, I took them triggered cheating, and I fell asleep in the car commute Norwich car work led to go out. And I was just like a so bomb because this is my holiday, and my kids stolen from me. But Alaska funding grew up in a rises their holiday. So this year, I was more prepared for as good. It went their friends who are okay with that Nora out. It was really fun. She's still got one baby still loves me all the rest of them out with friends. But anyway, so that's just ended tonight. And I have beat up at worn out. My beautiful wife such a good sport. We had Blake come and fill the whole thing. And she's not a big fan of being on camera all the time, but come on. We're doing blogs. We need we need documentaries dressing up and she's got a costume. And everything was fours. She's amazing to put up with my with my with me. I can imagine me married to McHugh Magid be married to me. It'd be so annoying anyway, but I love her and I'm grateful for so Freddie, neither spouses of the crazy entrepreneurs. Thank you for for put. For putting up with your your spouse. Because I know it's not a camp easy. I can't even imagine. Yeah. So I'm grateful for my wife and four all the way into spouses, always so people you can only be as successful as your spouse allow you to be Clinton amazing score for doing all notions. But that's what we're talking about today. I'm actually talking about yesterday so yesterday. Hey, sorry to jump in the middle of the podcast episode. But I'm at home, I actually finished recording this up, so and I got home and the rest of it just didn't make that much sense. And I tried to re record it and didn't make much sense of some chip on again, the third time to kind of finish out. This this episode because something really powerful and profound I want to share. But for some reason, I can't explain it's one of those things where like you experience something. And then you try explain it doesn't really make sense. It was like you moment. Shares in the moment. And then the insights, and you may not make any sense to you. Hopefully. A little glimpse of what I would experience yesterday. But we weren't to this the school carnival at the kids it's middle school, and we get there, and all you know, all the kids run off. And they're doing a million things all their friends me Clinton. My little Nora a chance to go out and hang out. And then we went out to the field. And she wanted to go run across the field and say, okay, let's go. So we start running Boudin always go post and all we're back and running. She's just laughing stare cly. And she's so cute. I look over and see her face. I see her laughing. It's just one of those moments where I time just froze. I'm just saying this is such a cool. It's a cool experience. Right to see your little daughter, laughing and happy, and and the experience I've been trying to exclude. You guys struggling kind of get out is like as watching her laugh for like two split second. I had this really really cool realization where I realized once again that everybody in this world was once a kid just like Nora, right? Even the people that like drive us crazy. They people I love if you I admire people look up to Oldham it like not that long ago. We're little kids like Nora, right? Writing around just without a care in the world. And then same side of the people I love and Myron look up to it. Also, the other side of people that drive me nuts people that don't agree with people that, you know, I don't agree with them personally, or, you know, met we political beliefs or religious beliefs or whatever. And but the gift I was given. I don't know how to explain it. She has but. As as I was looking at her. I just realize that everyone once was childlike her, and it made me just kind of look at people differently for a little bit. I started realizing that people driving nuts. I'm like they're just like little kids in they were a little kid not that long ago. And you know, they may believe different to me because of the life experiences because of the things that they experienced no could be their parents screwed them up or be, you know, the people that got into or maybe I am the screw point. I don't know. But it just made me have a different level of love and appreciation for for everyone in that moment. And I just want to show with. Yes, I think so often we we give people such a hard time people that believe differently than us. You know, I know the political seasons are probably coming into track close, but men when in the last political stuff happened it was like war every single day. And it was hating each other. It's like it's like, oh my gosh. Step back and realize that like the reason. Why someone's on the left or some on the right? You know, they didn't care about that ten fifteen twenty years ago, however, long, you know, when they were little kids like Nora, but because of how they grew up because of their parents in the situation and all sorts of things that's why they believe that way. And so you may feel the wrong feel the wrong. But at the same time, it's it's it's doesn't doesn't mean. They're bad. Right. And same thing with religious beliefs and same thing with all aspects of our lives, and I dunno. I just after after seeing her I just in my mind, I I wanna be more tolerant people I wanna be more loving and people I want to respect them for who they are because they're all children of God. Like just like little Nora here. Running around and Nassar thinking about like our callings, right? Like, everyone who's listening to this podcast. He befalling me for more than five minutes. You know that I don't believe businesses just about selling stuff. Right. I believe that we are called to these. To these these calling. They will do their actual callings like me in our team. Bill and click fouls in training. Entrepreneurs isn't just because we're trying to make money. It's because we played there's a higher calling in fact to the dry bar comedy club where Andrew Warner interviewed me for two hours on the click final startup story. He asked size. They believe that this is like inspired by God. I was like, oh, yeah. One hundred percent. Like, no doubt. In the slightest. I'm Mike, we definitely the spiritual thing for us. Like, we're we're doing our best to serve to serve the people. We have high slip were able to and we're by far not perfectly. You know? We screw up so many times and always give the best service. All the time. You know, some customers leave angrier upset or whatever. But now we try hard lake Houston harder tried every angle every direction. And and I just think about us as we're serving we shouldn't care about what people believe like what? You know, what I mean like, we should serve selfishly selflessly. That's better words like serve without worrying about that. Right. Is interesting, and I hope she doesn't mind me sharing this. But one of my close friends, and some admired look up to so much as as Liz as has Liz, and it was interesting when I first met her she joined our coaching program. This is probably I don't know three or four years ago now, and she told me this so Liz, and she's got a beautiful wife Christie, and and you know, you guys know that I'm a Mormon. I remember the church Jesus Christ latter-day saints. And and she told me when she was applying through our to my thing. I there's video let me tell the story about how how God changed my life. And and and I talked about God in this video. And she told me she was scared to apply. She's like what if Russell Russell talked about? God what if he would if you won't wanna work than you would if he looks down on me or have whatever, you know? And and. And they're who knows maybe time that I don't know who knows hopefully, not I hope I never have been or would be that that way. But you know, she came in, and I don't I don't care what you boo. That's what my purpose like my job is to serve in the best of my capacity. Anybody who's willing to listen to my voice, right? And I shouldn't be, you know, pushing people side because of sexual orientation, or because of political beliefs or religious, anything, right? Like, that's not my my choice. Like, I have so many things I struggle with like, I should not be the one trying to like fix people's things. You're mean like that's not up to me like my job is like heroes. So this is your sphere of influence. This is a platform you've been given like everyone comes to you serve them and your highest level, regardless of any of those things, and I was like if if I was trying to cast judgment or dower, whatever on on people for whatever the there. The thing is they're struggling with like Matthew about all the things I struggle with. And what if what if the mentors and the people I was seeking help from didn't want to help me because because I'm a Mormon because I believe this where because I'm struggling with. This addiction this problem or this disting-, right? Like, we I don't think we have the rights or we shouldn't be the ones who who are reenters things because we're not perfect ourselves. Rightly so why should we the ones coaching everybody on all these things? Like, I feel like we're giving these platforms to serve anyone and everyone who who comes to us the highest level. And no matter we're able to do. And I think, you know, yesterday in that moment with nora's is looking at her and seeing her laugh, and I was just got this weird love everybody was just like, oh my gosh. Like, I need. I just need to like any prejudices anything that I have in my mind, and you get rid of them and look at everybody through this lens of like, oh my gosh. This is someone who's just trying to figure this out trying to figure out this whole game. Same way, I am. I can't cast my my preconceived notions or judgments upon them. It's not my job. It's my role. My role is to serve each person. And look back at Liz. Oh, and I had a chance it was fun. I hadn't heard from her for awhile. And she walks me. Shame just talking about everything. She's doing the people she serving how much success. Having having people's lives. She's changing and like such a special moment. I'm dyke so grateful that first off she was willing to apply. No, she had fear. She told me there's fear of that. I know that I'm grateful that people might team didn't Cassie judge. I didn't catch children. We looked at her as we look anybody into said, look, we're gonna do our best to serve her high level because she's she's special. She's got a gift. She's got she's got the ability to other people's lives. And I think that if we start looking everyone around us that way, it helps us to to not judge them because of their political beliefs or judging because their religious beliefs are just because they believe something or they do something different than we do. Everyone's got their own demons inside their inside themselves. And and and you know, until the payroll if you read the bible, there's the payroll, you know, whoever's whoever's. Perfect. You can go cast the for stone. And I'm like, I'm not perfect. I'm not casting any still because I don't want to come back and be right instead, it's it's in your sphere of influence serve sort of the best. You can. So anyway, I don't know if that makes any sense if that helps you guys at all I hope it does. I know for me, I had this really rare amazing glimpsing my daughter, and then this incident is just like I saw everybody as her. I was like man everyone here, you know, ten years ago. Fifteen twenty thirty years back was just like nor is right now. And I love Nora so much. I was just like I need love everybody that much. 'cause if I do I can truly have an impact on them. And if I'm not careful, I look at people the, you know through this other lens is going to hold myself back. So anyway, it was really reminded for me to understand, you know, my mantle my calling my job, my profession, my career, whatever you wanna call it. That I'm called serve all people in anyone who's who can hear my voice who's willing to come towards me. I'm into my best to serve them the high slot. Why can I'm regardless earthy outs. And so I'm grateful for everyone gray for those who are listening to this full also for your willingness to go out, and and get your message out there right at the scary thing. And as you will find two things will you'll find as you start. Putting your message out there. It's funny. Stephen Larson's shared one of them yesterday. The we the the telephone he he sight seeing you go, you publish. She's like the second. You start doing your thing instantly every care to fly. You have is gonna smack in the face. The the best thing about business as you start putting yourself out there, all your character. Haunts become like who ran for your face right scary as the req- critics confessed, and they don't want. They want to silence you as quick as they can man. I'm grateful for those who are willing to step up every single day in spite of. Those things by the fact that man starting a business will bring every character fly you have to the surface, and you're going to be super hyper aware kings were that big of a deal before suddenly become a big deal because you are the leader. You are the person who's putting yourself out there. Right. And there were two critics when they come. And it's it's it can be scary. I promise you that. I will get criticized on this podcast. I'll get messages people who I talked about God and the podcast. I listen to marking not because I will get your ticket every single time. But it's like it doesn't matter. Right. Like, this is my message, I'm Sherry and I'm sharing it. And I'm grateful for you guys who are willing to do the same things as well. Because. It's scary. It's rare man when you do it. It's it's while you're here. So no that keeping both me. Brave. Supreme message out there. You know, get rid of any judgments or things you have out there because that's not your year role euros, a survey high slot with all people who will hear your voice. And if you do that you so serve selflessly on selflessly an extra. I say that right. You'll be will have your pack. You really want? So there you go all those ended today. I'm so sorry. For those who heard my message and understand that they Hugh, and I hope that you will look at people to say that I had a chance to see people yesterday when I was looking Nora. So thanks everybody. Appreciate y'all have a great night. And we will talk to you tomorrow. Would you like to see behind the scenes of what would actually do each day to grow our company if so go subscribe to a freebie hind the scenes reality TV show at WWW dot funnel? Hacker dot TV.

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Roundabout Roundup: Dad Notes, Unite Here Health, and And Then They Stopped Talking to Me

Parenting Roundabout

10:42 min | 5 months ago

Roundabout Roundup: Dad Notes, Unite Here Health, and And Then They Stopped Talking to Me

"Around five parenting roundabout podcast for the week of May Fourth Nicole Air Dixon. I'm here with Terry Moro Alot. Catherine Hello Hello today. We're taking a break from talking and complaining in obsessing and instead shouting out things other people are doing that. We think you'll find as useful or is enjoyable as we do. We call this our roundabout roundup. So we'll kick it off with another Nicole's in the Graham account to follow. I've just found any show. I'm going to take advantage of it. Okay I just keep coming across these great that make me laugh. Smile chuckled. Cry About Excellent so this one is an account called at dad notes but after every letter there's a period so it's D. Period A. Period D. period and in the notes so anyway it is an account where this dad sir durable. Yeah is he does these drawings and then writes a message to match the drawing and so it's really cute because he says yes so his description of self is just a dad who draws silly educational fund and uplifting lunch notes for his son so cute so the one that I really liked. Of course being you know with my career educational background. The one that caught my eye was this past weekend. It was a picture of a lady bugging. It's kind of drawn in a cartoon like You know way. And and then his little caption any says this is a lady bug when it is first born. It looks like a tiny at it also invites people to sit with at lunch. Be like this lady bug so stuff. Yeah and just like really sweet in you know in assessment. So he's all the animals on there and yeah it's fun too fun to go through in. I mean I would love to get these notes if I was a kid right lunch notes but no cartoons on them. Oh Yeah not not you but this is so fun to follow on my kids mostly down. Get them didn't write them. That's why I appreciate these so much. Yes very so yeah. That's my shadow at notes another fun. Yeah Terry what have you got this week? Well I have another story of a twitter customer service success which means that if you have a problem with something you post about it on twitter and that company response to you in a Morgue a quick and helpful way then you might have gotten otherwise I may have mentioned a while back that I had a situation where I was trying to get approval of my husband for a procedure that he needed. And I wasn't getting anywhere on the phone. So I tweeted angrily at his unions healthcare Wing and it was sort of miraculously resolved in within twelve hours at the person who had been stonewalling me was calling apologetic to say it's approved and they'd already told the doctor who was unbelievably successful. So I think I talked here. Maybe last week about or the week before about the horrible customer service phone call. I had with the worst audio hold in the world and that when I finally listened to it for twenty minutes and got connected it disconnected me and I. It's we have the situation with a blood test where the lab says. I old whole amount. The Insurance Company says I o half the amount and I think that I own none of it and I made all my first round of calls and did everything that I usually do and I just could not get resolution. I couldn't get through on the phone insurance companies The the lab said fine. Fax Us your explanation of benefits. But I don't have access to a fax machine. The Insurance Company said here print out this form and file a protest of the claim. But I don't have a printer that works right now and it's like I got to the point where my sixty almost sixty one year old brain said. I am cannot do this anymore. I used to rock this stuff. I cannot do this anymore so I thought you know what twitter at unite here. Health was so great the last time. I'll try it again so I tweeted again and I said I have a problem you can maybe help with. Can you direct message me? And they did and they were so kind and they were you know I said well. You know we'll help you do the form and then they said you know what we'll do the form for you and they emailed me and called me on the phone and just all sorts of exactly what you want at the time when you're about to meltdown from is a bunch of people saying hey we get it. That really stinks. Let's see how we can help you. Which is something that I had never gotten on the phone with the same place. Just the twitter people at unite here. Health are just little angels on earth waiting to help me and I imagine everybody but I just it was a second really wonderful experience with them and however this gets resolved if it if it works. If it doesn't work either way I just WanNa shout Laura and Evelyn at unite here health and say thank you so much for the work you do just be kind mean so much to somebody who is wrestled over an insurance claim over a test permission and a you know being able to make these problems go away is just so this is the The the health wing of the Union unite here. And I've just been so impressed with them. So thank you thank. Thank you and listeners. Probably you don't have this same care place to tweet but always try twitter. You know sometimes the people there are maybe a little more attentive or You know if not if you know takes no time to tweet not like you have to sit on audio. Hold for twenty with terrible music in speech coming at you so Give it a try but again Laura in Evelyn at unite here health. Thank you so much. You guys rock So grateful so great so as a bonus. Yes something unexpected happens. Yes just just like you know. You've you roll the dice and think nothing's GonNa come to this and then you know angels. Just come and say we understand. Let us take this year hostile about you catherine. What do you have for us this week? While I'm going to mention a book. We received an advance copy of it is by Judith. Warner and the title is and then they stopped talking to me. Making sense of middle school so This is a book for parents of middle schoolers or rising middle schoolers. I guess probably WanNa read it in a little bit in advance. But don't read it too far in advance. Because then you're just gonNA get a little freaked out. Is it going to bring back like middle school flashbacks for adults like yes? I like it because you talks a lot about you. Know how sort of our on middle school experiences in shape how we deal with our kids middle school experiences an how You know as in so many things parents are behaving badly you know. And and she says I'll Redo a little piece parents by and large. Don't do crazy things during their kids middle school years because they're terrible people do them because they're scared. They feel helpless at worst. They can feel. They can even feel if their children's seems sad. Lose friends triggered tearful family fights or simply disappear for long angry stretches into the mess of their rooms like they're failing at the most important job in their lives so it talks about how you know. Just puberty really. It's stressful on everyone and a little bit about the history of Middle School. You know wasn't really a thing for decades and then junior high was thing and then it kind of became middle school and Anyway so pretty interesting. And it's if you're if you're worried about middle school In a you might. You might get some reassurance from US. So yeah you know it's it's obviously. This was written well before the band. Yeah I gotTA think middle schoolers in their parents or the only people looking at the school shut down going. Yes yes to that place every day. Yes my daughter in particular really could not stand just the building where her middle school was. It was bad So yeah she would have appreciated being able to do everything online instead of going on there. So so anyway it's called. And then they stopped talking to me by Judith Corner and it's just being published just came out this week so yeah. Does it have a trigger morning? It probably so that is it for another week of parenting roundabout if you miss any of our earlier episodes this week. Look them up on Speaker Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast to hear what we have to say about rebates broken things and virtual graduation ceremonies. You can also find resources at parenting roundabout dot Com and talk back in the comments there on our facebook page or twitter real find us at roundabout chat and please visit our Amazon shop at Amazon dot com slash shop slash. Mama Tude where you can find links to a lot of the things that we talked about here. Have a great weekend and see you back here on.

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3 Things I Would Tell High School Kids to IMPACT Their Life  | IMPACT Q&A Ep. 13

Todd Durkin IMPACT Show

11:14 min | 1 year ago

3 Things I Would Tell High School Kids to IMPACT Their Life | IMPACT Q&A Ep. 13

"Welcome back to another impact show Q. and A. I'm loving the questions I'm seeing day. I've got two great questions that have come through the first one one is from Leslie Cordova. Who Asks if you can only tell the high school kid you train three things to impact their life what would they that's a great question? Leslie and the other addressed in today's episode is a closely related to athlete training. JT Sims asks how how do you get the most out of the athletes you train so let's dive in and go right to it leslie if you can only tell l. the high school kids who train three things to impact their life. What would they be number one to be. The hardest worker in the room is mandatory see when I'm working with high school kids middle school kids heck any kids whether they're seven or they're seventeen. I believe to to learn the grit the toughness the work ethic that it takes man. There's always another level to get to and as the rockaways talks about my friend from under the Rock. What does the rock got cooking to be the hardest worker in the room. There's always another level of strength and realize this when you feel fatigue when you feel tired you've only hit about sixteen percent of your Max capacity. This is anyone let me repeat when you feel tired. When you feel fatigued you only hit about sixty percent of Max capacity so when it comes to being the hardest worker in the room there's always another level and if you have big dreams it's GonNa take a lot of hard work and even some delayed gratification to get their number two the second thing I would tell any high school kids that I train is. I want you to be different. I want you to be different. What should be different. School went to be different on on the on the ballfields. I want you to be different in how you carry yourself. Don't be like everyone else. God made you special. God made you unique and I want you due to make sure you exploit your gifts. Don't be embarrassed of them. Don't like you gotTA FIT in. Don't feel you gotta drink. You've gotta go to parties and do whatever else is doing. No the different ultimately this is going to help set you apart in your life in sport and all aspects of what you do so high school kids listen sent in. I want you to be different. Be Proud of the gifts you have whether you have a ton of athletic ability or not whatever all you you have on the team. Make sure Oh you do it with pride makes you go out and always be a great teammate and the third thing that I would say to help kids impact their life is is success comes down ultimately choices choices adults as well the choices that we make every single day the small ones and the big ones make a massive impact in how your life goes good choices. Good things are going to happen and what I always say. Is this hard choices easy Z. Life easy choices hard life if you're constantly taking the easy route and doing the things that are really easy. Life's probably going to be hard. You're probably going to do things things that you're not going to end up where you want to end up. So what I'm going to ask you to do is what you dream big. I want you to think about what's it. GonNa take to get me to the college. I want to go to because of academics academics or music or dance or sport whatever it may be and what's it. GonNa take and what are the steps I need to do in school. What kind of grades do I have to have all kind of care to donating to have. How much do I need to get out into the community and give back in the community and when you reverse engineer that success that you have and you work your tail off when no one else is watching when no one what else is watching you out in the ball field and you're practicing. You're working on your spring training because you have to get faster. You have to get more expensive so you're in the gym with your coach your trainer you're doing Olympic. Lifts apply metrics. What are the little things that you're doing that. are going to allow you to athletically excel or if you struggle in school. Are you working with a tutor. Are you saying no to go to the high school party because you have a Spanish test coming up and you have to do an extra couple hours of study so that you can pass that quiz or test. These are the little things that it takes but remember little micro victories day after day week after week. All add up to huge huge championship wins so make the choices that are necessary and the choices are the same ones that I would say to put yourself in a situation to succeed and end distractions will rob you of your bestself so be the hardest worker in the room be different and make the right choices in your life and only you know if you're making the right choices. Leslie Combos with coaches. Thank you so much Leslie Cordova. That's a great question and the second question I want to get to today. Jt sims how how do you get the most out of the athletes that you train great question here JT Sims number one. I've got about five of them here number one. You've got to understand your athletes and your clients. When I say athletes you can intertwine clients members whatever it may be but for me the average you want to understand understand. What makes someone tick? What makes them tick? What what moves their soul. How do you emotionally charged them. What's their background background. Were they from. Do they come from an underprivileged area. Do they come from a middle class area. What's their mindset. Have they had injury in the past. Were they stuck with with their mindset. how do they think when you understand somebody then you could best coach train them number two I believe and how you get the most out of the athletes athletes that you train you got to set goals. You got to set goals and these goals have to be goals that are going to emotionally charge the athlete. They get fired up. They they WANNA be the starter on the team. They WANNA make all conference. They WANNA make allstate. They want to earn a scholarship. Someday whatever that is set goals that are going to really the charged up emotionally and allow them to be spurred into action so set those goals remember goals are smart goal specific measurable Attainable Realistic Realistic and time driven right. We WanNa have great goals number three challenge your athletes physically you got to challenge them. Well when I say challenge owns them but challenge them with the correct exercises so if someone is a quarterback or a pitcher or swimmer well then you shouldn't just be doing linear type exercises cleans snatches squats bench press lap. Those are very linear exercise. If you're a rotational athlete you want to challenge your athletes in in the right movements that are going to correlate to the sport as well so while some of those exercises are important in developing absolute route strength. I WanNa make sure that you are training the athlete so that's going to help their sport as well and that's what I'm always looking for physically. How can I challenge them to be their best if they're looking to improve their strength or they're looking to improve their speed. How are we doing that are focusing on not only for speed training. Are we not only focusing opening on strength and explosive power but what about flexibility of the hips and the hamstrings too long gait stride length which is part of speed training so you got to challenge them physically number four when it comes to How do I get the most out of my athletes. That train is I'm going to hold. My athletes beats accountable. I'm going to hold them accountable because everyone comes in here. They said they WANNA be great todd. I've got this potential. I know I do this great. I love the fact that you believe that but when push comes to shove you're going to show up at six o'clock in the morning and train or nine o'clock in the morning or after school when you're tired or on a Saturday if you have a day off when it comes to accountability. I'm going to hold them. I'm going to text them. Send them videos coming to. If I find a verse or a quote I'm going to text them that I want to hold them accountable to every single thing that they're doing and lastly number five when it comes to not only the young athletes but even the pro athletes is I want to mentor them. I want to mentor them mentor them meaning coach them. I'm GonNa Coast them in all aspects of their life because sometimes people oh the find themselves as the sport they play or the activity there in and I believe life is much bigger than just a sport. You're playing. I believe that when you find your divine purpose and maybe maybe sport as part of that for a short while but when you find you divine purpose and you get your body right you get your mind right. Get Your spirit right all of those things. I believe there's always gifts inside of us that we have to tap into to ultimately fulfill that potential so if you're a high school athlete sports may be short lived part of your overall life and maybe maybe you're eighteen and you're done or your twenty one twenty two if you're blessed to play college ball or maybe beyond but even the pro athletes gotta find purpose be on the sport on that so for me. Those are the five things I look for. I got no no them in. What makes them tick. I wanted to challenge them physically. I'm going to set goals with them. I challenge awesome physically. I'm going to hold them accountable and I'm going to mentor them so I can get their body mind and spirit right so great questions today coming in from both Leslie and JT Sims. I hope you you enjoyed that wherever you wherever you're at. I want you to make sure that you go out that you train hard and you eat right whether you're high school athlete. You're a weekend warrior fitness enthusiast. You always use training your physical training as a way to get your mind right where to get your body right and you keep working at one percent better every single cool day. Keep those questions coming. Remember toddrick dot com slash podcast. Keep firing away those questions and I'll keep firing away the answers peace and God bless. You ooh A trainers and coaches talking to you. Superpower talk today about the toddler can mastermind program. It's best in class business leadership marketing training and Personal Development Program for those seeking maximum success in life. 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Second-Listen Saturday: Wait for It

Parenting Roundabout

15:37 min | 4 months ago

Second-Listen Saturday: Wait for It

"Welcome to second. Listen Saturday on parenting roundabout podcast where we share some fun moments past episode for Your weekend listening pleasure look for new episodes every Monday through Friday. We ask you to have a seat in this. And we'll be with you shortly. Talking about the fact that mom's spend a ridiculous percentage of our time waiting, waiting in cars in waiting rooms outside of schools in Catherine's case in ice rinks. I waited at college all day when my kids were in it to give them a ride home. We're just waiting. We're ladies in waiting and we got. We will talk about are waiting. Experiences are waiting strategies and. Some of our best and worst weights ever, so we won't make you wait for a catherine. What's your rug is awaiting story? Well I mean lose camp is basically. Flying Halfway across the country and then waiting several days. Cam. Well, that's a good one. Although that's enjoyable waiting because I like having a hotel room to myself. I just bring my laptop and I gets more time and I bring on the reading material and I get to watch whatever I WANNA TV. Those things are kind of Nice waiting. Yes, the waiting that drives me crazy is like we are leaving at five thirty PM. At six and five fifteen or leaving in fifteen minutes, okay. Twenty five. Okay, let's go honey. I'm still getting changed like you're the one who needs to be on the ice at six o'clock like. This is how long it takes to drive there and get your skates at like move it. Waiting in situations where you cannot amuse, yourself is the worst. When you're when you're waiting for your kid to get ready to go. And you can't go on the computer, because then you'll get caught up on something and you also need to be constantly policing and like waiting before we had smartphones. Always I always had reading material with. When in those in those days so? I always had to buy a purse big enough to the book in it. Yeah, now with the phones now I don't have time or try inside my kids up with a with other people who had kids, so we could coordinate way yes. Yes. Owning shares A. Share, the workload or Use it as a gossip session. That's true. Yes, therapy waiting rooms is a place. I've. Spent a lot of time a lot of downtime, various different therapy waiting rooms. A doctor's waiting. Doctor's waiting rooms are hard because you're waiting with your child and having to wait with your child is. A disaster like certain. Active, we actually. We had a pediatrician I love, but we finally left his practice. Just because every time we went, there would be like an hour. Wait and I just couldn't do it anymore. so we went to somebody who took us in much faster. But there was waiting tonight because you can oftentimes do a Lotta reading or computer work, or whatever you have like that little. Let's like my private time for. US Out was that was the only time I was alone, but then if you get other moms in there and they're talking about things, and they're either having conversations with your. They're talking about things that are annoying you. Know. Like theories that they have that you don't agree with. I've gotten into some testy inclusion discussions in therapist waiting rooms nickel. I can imagine. But now I don't have that so much anymore we're. We're pretty much done with that and. I don't know I. Don't miss the driving to places but I do miss that. Time where I had nothing to do. Just. Read or work. Yeah me when you went to college all the time. Yeah, we just like relocate yourself there and just work all day. and. It was considerably less distracting than home. Found table at the cafe and spread out, and that was my office for the day. That kind of Nice I do. In some ways miss that. But now are major waiting thing now I guess is. Going to pick my son and my son works at a football stadium as a custodian on concert and football game days, and so we have to go pick him up and sometimes we have to wait most of our waiting in traffic. Get to where we pick him up sometimes once we get there. We have to wait for him and that's not so much fun. That's all that's pretty stressful. Waiting waiting in traffic is definitely an unpleasant. Wait. Await yes. Even if you're not driving I mean if you're not driving then you can be on your phone or whatever, but yes I'm on my computer, but it's still you know it's still frustrating, and then it's worrisome. Why hasn't he come out yet? Is Everything okay? Those kind of worries for me I just. I feel like I've spent a lifetime waiting for school to get out, yes. because. You have to get there early enough to get a decent spot right and then the second part of that especially here in California. Is You have to get a in the shade. Yes, it says. You can't just roll down your windows. To stay cool right. So and you don't want to run your car for half an hour. So there's a lot of waiting in cars. California we recently switched like I had been getting my son. I than going to the high school and getting my daughter, because technically her school dismisses five minutes later. But for some reason, my son said, can't you go get her first because he just hated having to be picked up and then. You know, make the trip to the high school. And and back, and I said well. Yeah I can pick her up first and then you're. You'RE GONNA have to wait and he much prefers that. Like an everyone's happier I mean it doesn't matter to me because. Either way. I'm going I'm leaving at the same time and I'm sitting in front of. The other but She likes it better. Any likes it better go tonight. You know like seven months into his. Term in this, but but yeah it was it was. It was just like a simple thing that yeah made both of them are happier so slick. He'd rather waited. He'd rather wait at school school than the car than in the car. Right and he 'cause you know sometimes other friends are there or he house baskets, or you know yesterday? He had logged onto the school why? He was super proud of himself for doing that, so yeah I mean if there wasn't road construction on the exact road that goes between the two schools it would be. Helpful, but whatever that's. Why couldn't they wait until? School ended. With. It that at our school to yeah, it's like a block away from the Middle School in a huge pain in the neck for everybody dropping off and picking up every single day we had roe construction on a bridge right next to my kids middle school that went on pretty much the entire time. Both of them were in there. It was like a five year project to all my. It was one of these things where they couldn't just take it down, so they had to like work on one lane at a time right, and so there was always some part of it that was blocked and it was just miserable, and it was the road. We went to to get them there. So, that was. They finally finishing it up when we no longer had children going there. Of course. Yeah Yeah, so I'm I'm learning all kind of different ways to. Go back and forth. It's painful it is it is well. People have been asking US why. We got our daughter of vehicle soon after she started driving. This is why this is exactly why I'm so tired of waiting over it and for them, they just see Oh. They bought her car. They're spoiling her and I'm saying no I'm spoiling us. Really meet. I'm so tired of waiting in vehicles for school in Sports Activities and appointments and yeah. I mean I can't imagine having to do it anymore. Yeah, that is nice when they can go, do it themselves. Yes, her love it. But, now do you nervously? Wait for her to come home? So you know she saved because you're following GPS. Yeah I know exactly where she that is awesome. I'm her to get out of school. But it was nice I mean because last night although she didn't drive, but last night, she went to a concert in La. and then she came home. Her Friend's Dad drove a tractor all the way home. And I knew exactly where she was winches. We home and so I got laid at home with yeah much. excited. So, Sometimes if I'm waiting at home I'm like at loose ends like what else to be doing right now, yeah. I I have plenty to do. It, doesn't last that long. Do either of you guys heavy, particularly good or bad waiting story a time when you had a terrible or stressful weight. Well I mean waiting for my daughter to get her appendectomy with. Long, long wait It was something like twelve hours from the guy I got to the emergency room. I'm they actually took her in and but luckily she had some morphine onboard, because otherwise she yes, because she was very very miserable. Waited for my nieces plane to take off when she left here for Australia. Australia. Her flight was supposed to leave at seven. Yeah, and of course it was delayed. It was delayed till midnight and. Tired to begin with, and we couldn't leave the airport because she was a minor, so we stay with her. Yeah until the plane left. And then of course, everything closes in the airport. Like eleven, yeah, yeah, it was a long. Way. And then we were already sad. We had a long long airport. Wait one time and it was like that where it was. Getting very late and everything was closing, and we were freezing like the air. It was summer, but the air conditioning was so cranked and. We bumped into somebody. My husband new in the air in the gate area, and she had her daughter with her, and her daughter had like she was like twelve foot collection of like baby blankets that were like security objects, or whatever that she had in her carry on, and she literally. took. Because, we were so Colin. We were like snuggle with all her baby. When we moved from Canada here we flew down, so we left, we left everything behind Canada and left her home, and then we were flying down to California to move into our new home that we had a stopover in Denver. And of course it was winter and. Big Snowstorm hit, so the plane was. Laid and They didn't know when it was going to get back. You know when the flight would go with. HAVE THE FLIGHT! So we stayed in the Denver Airport for well over twelve hours. I. Just felt so destitute and homeless and. We had nowhere to like it. was you know what he didn't know? It was going to board or off so you can leave the airport and go sightsee or anything that you WANNA sightsee. At! Denver in the winter. We. Just I remember that feeling of like I. Don't have a whole. Country, we were all sad. We found this little corner in the airport in lay down our. Backpacks and coats and curled up in Paul's. Just sad time. Wait was very emotional. I wanted to go back and it was just a really. Sad time we joke about it now, but. That's pretty bad. Back in the day before there was technology to track people I've had stressful waits for people to come home, and I know you know when my son goes out and works stressful waiting for him to be done and come back. Has Been some of those recently, but. I do remember one time I. Think I might have talked about this one in. Connection with cell phones, and when kids should get cell phones, but there was one night where my husband had to go pick up my daughter at the stadium in town just about maybe a ten minute drive from here, and neither one of them had cell phone and. Use other. I'm how they kept calling you. He is thing I said in the past that he was calling me, but he wasn't calling me. He was driving home. So, he was driving back and forth. You know you would go. He couldn't find her. He came home I would say. She says she's here, so we'd go back, but then she wasn't there anymore, and she would call me. She was someplace else, but I couldn't get in touch with him. That was a long wait that night for everybody to get home especially since I was figuring that at least one, and possibly, both of them would be furious. With each other, and somehow with you and somehow me yes. Yes, this is why afterwards I think I insisted that both of them carry cell phones because come on. A bit -nology. Exactly sometimes twenty husband goes places without his phone S. What Are you knew? You have it take. Both the Menfolk in my house regularly leave without phone so I will go to find my son on in. We'll say he is home and I will look over at the table where he was his phone and sure enough there it is. Doing there.

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Second-Listen Saturday: The Award Goes To...

Parenting Roundabout

15:27 min | 5 months ago

Second-Listen Saturday: The Award Goes To...

"Welcome to second. Listen Saturday on parenting roundabout podcast where we share some fun moments past episode for Your weekend listening. Pleasure look for new episodes every Monday through Friday we have a few awards to stow Catherine. Tell us a little bit about our topic for today. Yes so I. I don't even know how we got on this but we recently decided that you know there are some parenting awards out there that are not being granted and we wanted to correct correct now using areo and because we have some people that we think should receive some awards and of course we have some things that you think should not be reward about. We'll start with the ones we think should happen Terry do you have something in mind for a parenting behavior or or specific person that she get an award. I don't know I think there should be a most improved award for something. You could give people when they stopped doing the annoying thing they were doing or when they start paying attention to their kid in a way you approve of the just stick bat around their neck. I always felt like I should have received a you know. Best volunteer metal. I mean I got a t-shirt wants I think from the principal when my kids middle school and you know occasionally you get a piece of cake or a little party or something but You know I think we need to recognize the people who are constantly doing stuff selfless selfless and not power tripping manner. I believe I didn't get made. I did get some flowers after nine years of hauling. Pno Got Award needs to be done more frequently. Perhaps you know something value you can display somewhere. That wasn't GonNa die in a few days right. I also would very much appreciate a parenting award. That was like a you know a for effort the I could You know oftentimes you put in tons of effort on. Something does not exactly the way it should and yet I think I on the back. Yes I mean I think Katherine you should get to some sort of a for effort award. Four trek in your kid around to all sorts of competitions regardless and they have the team does. That's right now lose camp or Lewis County absolutely for Lose Cam. Yes yes so You know one. I think I could have gotten And nobody ever gave it to me. But I'm sure that privately. There is a ceremony and I was bestowed with this many people in my kids. School is biggest pain in the bleep so loud loudest to mouth most annoying parent parent. We would most like to never see in these walls see you. You would wear that with pride. I think they had actually have that around my neck. Most of the time you know that would be my that would be seen. Take something like that and that could be your your Avatar on all your social media sites right dig on it like the Maya demeo award. Exactly exactly I think. That's I think something like that should be bestowed regularly. I would be first in line back in back in the day. I've mellowed now that you're not you're when the mom gets to the point where she no longer cares and has just letting stuff go for. The school would like to bestow an award for that. Right least hysterical. Thanks were not inviting US anymore. We noticed. See that's where the most improved would come in from their point of view. I think we hated your guts when your kid was in kindergarten but we see you have know senior writer snails right. Thank you so much for toning down lady so Nicole how? `Bout you do you have some ideas for a war I would hand out an attendance award not just for physically present. Garrett and showing up every day in the kitchen by being you know. Actually they're like mentally and try you know especially during those hour long explanations of what happened nine hello and so and so and so on little or or or when they were younger when they were little kids and they wanted to play trucks and cars or Barbie no homes and you had to sit there and yes and be engaged and so I think the attendance award is super important when you're teen is your team. Daughter is crying because her favourite genes are in the wash and not done and you are actually trying to be calm cool and collected and explain why they're not washed that's because she didn't wash them. Yes so I think. The attendance award is an order that for all the Times. I've had to listen to descriptions of youtube videos. Oh my goodness. And here's what he did. Don't care don't care. Don't make up tutorials gotta see this. Look at this. You have to this. No more on social media. Look this look at this. It's so funny listener. And that leads me to my next set of awards which would be proficiency awards so for example in my case it would be proficiency at ordering takeout food how dinner under appreciated skill much underappreciated and then of course the We can have the efficiency at this name through long detailed stories about youtube videos proficiency at finding your teen daughter outfit to wear at the last minute that takes some skill. Yes the Glenn that she will agree to where also -actly exactly or proficiency at Tracking Your Child on. Gps good a little. Thank you to every day for that and that is just awesome proficiency at Juggling tax messages. That are coming in from your family. All want is something and not answering the wrong way answering your different one exactly exactly so I think those those let stand out on my list of either to gipper receive right. Okay Yeah how about you Katherine? I would be giving one for rule following because when people don't follow rules like you know off procedure or you know no electronics at a particular event or whatever then it not only inconveniences other people but it sends such a bad message to kids like yes we get to pick and choose the rule so we feeling so give people who do properly follow rule. There needs to be some sort of APP that that you could tally this sort of thing on that. You could give or take away points. And when they get to a certain level Bay they get a prize or something. So you know when you cut somebody off in traffic at the drop off point your deducted and when you shut up and follow the rules and do what you're supposed to do get rewarded with right. Somebody get on that. Yeah I mean. I've seen like the merit badges for parenting flooding. Well doubt there and you know things like I remember to bring clean diaper somewhere. Excess in my purse but I agree. Terry. Let's let's gamified this and get some points. Yes No yes you probably you game a fight. You don't really even have to have a reward. You could just post points every week right. Yeah it's kind of like snapchat. You know you increase your snapchat score every time and snap somebody an increase our parenting score everytime. We handed out a band-aid or Kleenex. On HAND NEXT NEXT ENDEAVOR HERE. I also think that you know. Sometimes we we reward kids for like good sportsmanship. Well we don't necessarily reward parents in. That's how again horror mobile home and scream at people and appropriately in all that kind of stuff so maybe we add to start rewarding that I think the yesterday at when my son was at Lacrosse practice and I was listening to after I took a very long walk. While waiting for then disil- practice was still going on so I was kind of overhearing The coach one of the coaches Talking to the kids or yelling at the kids and he you know this is somebody who has like politics that are completely opposite from mine. And you know a lot of ways. He's Kinda like blowhard a guy but he was so encouraging to these kids he was having them do somersaults and then while holding their lacrosse stick and then and then Ron and he'll he'll look like a Ninja. That's awesome like he was good. He was a good coach. You know so i. I appreciated seeing that awesome so parents who steps up to the plate parents do can't you can't there's no grayson way to give this. I thought you were a jerk but I still. I still think parts of you are problematic. Crow reward this one thing that you do on assume anything on the basis of this happy person but why words you think you should be getting. I think we've talked a little bit about that. But are there more that you're you're waiting for waiting for? I'm waiting for any that job completed award. When do I get that? I have one. Is The lifetime achievement trophy? I'm going to get the lifetime. Achievement trophy for living with the most number of family members who have attention deficit disorder. I say for living with the most animals. Oh yeah that to know it surviving their attention deficit issue. That's pretty. That's pretty. I think you that would be my. I'm waiting for Interior. Get Her lifetime achievement. I don't think that is ever going to come. I think they'll be a posthumous award. No Fair you don't get to enjoy it or get like a cake or anything. So yeah yeah even then. I'm not sure my job will be done. No like your mother. She's still she's still in sometimes when you need to. Yes Sir yes what are what? Are you waiting for anything? Well I like. I like no antero suggested. You know. Just the participation for yes all of the miles driven and yeah. I think that's important. I would awards I would not get our calmest parent more least likely to take things the wrong way. And I think that Calmest parent is only going to be given to somebody who is on drugs all the time. That would also be posthumous award at that point. She's so quiet. Yeah and then we found out why you think that people get rewarded or recognized for things that they shouldn't be recognized for certainly. I think that we often reward. The bushiest parent wore the last parents standing in any particular dispute and everybody else just says you know what I know the most political parent one you know seems child seems to get all of the awards through knows no effort of their own through the her home. Things like you know kids having perfect attendance. Oh God like is really luck of the draw. I mean that's true. All those thing. I think we need to have a wide variety of opportunities for kids to be recognized for things. Maybe that's the only thing they've ton this day. Us Hat on the true. I have sometimes valued those awards true. Yeah I think actually. Maybe parents should get the award floor. I know they're them. They're typing them up and getting them getting out of bed putting a breakfast in them. Those now antihistamines. Cindy got sending them to school even when they're ill. Actually maybe you shouldn't be.

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Off The Record  Pet Problems, Pregnancy & John Witherspoon (ft. Loryn Powell)

JKNews

20:55 min | 11 months ago

Off The Record Pet Problems, Pregnancy & John Witherspoon (ft. Loryn Powell)

"The three two on action. Hey guys welcome back the record or we talk about whatever we want and today we have have lower price keep letting me come back. Good sorry sorry to get the Red Cup yet starbucks starbucks a dog track pilgrim allow. So that does have you will go to get the red couple. You couldn't get it because your dog drag out. I don't know what the answer is better here if I say yes that happened. The Duck poop inside the house and stepped on. No aw he so we have a yard and we don't always clean up the poop immediately yard. You're okay okay okay. Okay and I guess he just ran through it into the bedroom door like right in anyway so he comes in the bedroom. And it was Oliver's pause like inbetween his paws and I didn't notice it. It did you on the carpet. Yes he believes. Mostly a wood floor within there are some carpets kicked back on your bed. Do my sister used to have a yard and now when I go to her house I look out the door because she has three dogs. I look at this and I'm just like it's a toilet it's gone it's gone so the a Red Cup wasn't enough for you to go fuck it. I'm getting anyways I get lines. Plus she had a shady morning good. Because there's tons because I want to talk to and then Depending on what I'm trying to do I'll be like fuck. It all cleaned this shit up later. When do you do that the Times? I've never told you. Always get some stuff intro out so much shit on this show. What do you mean you clean up later? You can't the shit in your yard later. Well aw come on. How many times this is? This is a bit. This is a bit slow sometimes. Sometimes I'll come out and I'll see a pile of dog shit in the kitchen and I look at it and I'm like or pretend like I didn't see it and I just go to the gym and Guy Jill clean it up but it's a bit. It's never happened before just in inside inside the bit space. No inside toilet. Since we're talking bits sometimes all see Catherine up and I'm like we're talking back correct. We're talking about because he's this dumb bit he see things so I'm like he is fucking dumb and he is very very blinds get-tough safely about bits anymore. God I mean real talk I definitely ignore the trash not bit. I just pretend like I didn't see it and wait for take take out. Actually nor the CAP oops Casey do. Yeah the kept moving the cat bombing. Okay that's not a bit. It's a bit well. I'm perfect personnel. Wants to say trash people. I see things I cleaned it up. I know for Northrop sometimes wins the facts talk so one time one time. I heard her on the phone and it was in an area. She was always in the same room. And then I walked in that room and the cat in the middle of the fucking floor. It probably did it. Yeah among the home. She's doing a lap around it. Scien- Dizzy Businesswoman. Putting bread on the table so far the throw up to help out a little bit more not to be ignorant but like why is there so much katharine. What's going on cats cats? Just throw up daily. They get hairballs and so sometimes it like blocks their digestive system and then they just they throw up the hairball then they throw up the food you know when I was younger I thought the hairballs would literally be kind of like those dust bunnies that you know. There's gross it looks like poop like a wet piece of. It's it's easy to pick up. It's not my cat is playing me. It's easier to pick up the poop in throw L. A.. Wait till it. That's what she was doing. She was waiting for it to heart attack. I'm smarter carpet. And that's what I'm doing. I wanted to hardens for. She wanted to coagulate understand. It's the Bit Asmal. Oh I saw your Halloween costume stuff. And they're cracking me up like the NANYA businesses dressed up as a nun and in her husband was dressed up in a business suit us. Good it tight own all of those no. I spent four hundred dollars in Amazon and return them all all my video only only bought the why Amazon. If you're watching totally it's a bit about the costumes that they knew I could return. So that's smart. I always think I'm going to return it and then I convince myself that I'll probably need it one day. He has so then I justify and I have way too much in my closet like so many costumes do do you think that hasn't had sex in his whole life. Like pre skied a sexy non just to not just lose at an unusual god Dan. We're increase more into like little boy. Not Sex sexy little boycott Down the altar boy. Put the boys in the non costumes. I haven't. I haven't heard that either the costumes refashion of US increase our shopping and fashion True they don't even they have no fashion sense. You guys are taking pre males. That's a big step. So so what so. She took it up for the vitamins. That's a huge step because that usually means you're prepping mm for something to help. Your hair's wanted healthy here nails. Yeah also Steve came me rod during ambulation week. But you know like all shows he came. He came inside. When was this was in China last week two weeks ago to marinated? I did did you. Falsely broker and starts north. That was my plan so like Khushi take a pregnancy test right now. I could ed but I don't know if Because you have to wait for the aids to drop before the sperms like get in there so it could happen any time this week or it could not happen. I was drinking wine all day yesterday. So I think it's okay. I got pregnant in London and we were doing like wine tasting that whole trip and I was already pregnant at this character character in London. Sort out are there. Wasn't that cool because because we have you been in a hotel in London yes actually are Kinda like. It's pretty really small. Like a twin size bed is actually this wide. Yes pushed our beds together to make the baby. Why Oliver Your asper king-size they just give you two twins and expecting to push it together and like I get that it's the same size but like you do the work or you got a king size bed to kings underneath one? Two twins underneath one big. Yeah all the Kings in Europe are twins. You're up get it together. I mean had actual kings this. You know this ship. It would make sense if they did that here. I'm surprised Steve. Remember blended we talk because you were so jet. Lagged angry like pugh is like really bitchy. The whole time. uh-huh I can't imagine it was because I was so fucking shit like that wasn't even myself. I straight up walked out on a restaurant on him. I walked out of the restaurant and left him. Minna restaurant. WHAT'S BITCHY stand Amsterdam? Just like cranky. It's kind of hanging on monster. Yeah Yeah Yeah it's fucking cold brew. He's going to get today. I'M GONNA real new now. I'm a mood Italy for the first time maybe like a month ago. Go with an adderall prescription. That is like a game changer. Travel even harder. I went on all the tours. I learned all the things I was up at four. Am I'm exploring the city cool. You're in the morning before the tourists. Come out that's the way to do it. Yeah poor taste taste tried it my whole life just just makes you want to wake up and do things. Do you need to take it the minute you wake up to feel that or do you take it before sleep definitely. Don't take a prayer sleep no UH IT TAKES LIKE THIRTY MINUTES KICK IN SO Steve. Run a bunch of scripts faulk. Yeah Dude if I gave you adderall you would you house out of legos. You will go outside. It'd be like a fucking Laker. She we take it for next writer's retreat. That could be tied actually. Are you kidding me before you take it like in the Middle Collegian to go down. Oh that'd be sick like four scripts go clean the house. It doesn't work. Imagine Jill on it. He probably just be like dude he space. I would be so focused on spacing out for people that have that it makes them focus but people that don't have eighty it just makes you really you really you like legit focus on whatever it is that you want to do. It could be like shops like shop online. We too much once like when I first started taking years ago I like I like Mashpee at six times. 'cause all the focus was the climax like it was just like the regular. It was the same. We're GONNA stop. Did you know that it was going until I had six. Here's one after after the other. After the other after the other I was it was a fairly like a window. Where like whatever you whenever you take the last Finn Senior doing? That's what you go on. I don't know I think it seems like because I want to take an and cook right but then like let's start hooking and then all of a sudden eighty-seven pies go through the cash and now I'm just GonNa take out the trash now crazy or you're like I'm going to pet my dog right now and then end up going to get licensed in massage for your dog like fucking all kinds of techniques that nobody was possible. Yeah is it like that like Oh oh I think it just makes you it like for me lifts my mood too. I was like I don't know why it does. That's really weird. I don't know I was like it makes me like people really know maybe talking about them but it just like put you in a good mood too. Oh I wanNA take out the trash. Oh I want to work on my scrapped. I WanNa do all these things that an hour ago. How true that is true? I didn't think about it in the context. 'cause I was thinking about you're talking about masturbating six times hop on masturbate. Shame on me thing right. It makes it more intense. If you don't masturbate. It helps me come extra heart gone edging closer Edging is when you get to the point. Yeah I mean you just stop yeah a bunch of times. That's just sex for us. 'cause I'm like fuck faulk man. Let's like last a little longer. Damn good thank you. That's that's so nice. That's nice edge five times sixty seconds. Oh Jesus sixty seconds stats willpower. You can last time you stop yourself true. That's that's a good way to look at it like fucking dude. Or what's that game with the with the program you flip the thing. I don't know if you've booms taboo. I played any games tabby ours just so simple. It's easy to play many board games card games but okay don't tell me don't tell me I get it. It's funny sinking. Can I get so bored during them. We have taboo at. I Know Yeah we do reminds me of my childhood and being very bored all my dad tries to read all the rules before we play the worst followers they. I'd like to read now. They like to like be they like to read. They like to do all the boring things. Just read the roles and they play the game. They'll read all the roles are then. It's everyone's still confused. Because they zoned out during all the rules being read the. TV's on background. Maybe maybe they would be exciting for like. Let's get all students admiral. All students need some help through. What are the side effects you you get dependent on? It gets dangerous for kids because they're still developing right so if you guys people right. That's the new Ritalin. Get get it when you're young. It makes it less effective when your own saw or it makes you either something about like getting elementary school and high school. Where it's like actually you? You don't want to take it anymore brand owners. Why don't we just drug? All the kids teflon just been drugging. Everybody it doesn't happen because I I. I don't remember what it was. It did take something for one month when I was eleven but before taking it I was like back looking jittery as shit. I was so talkative I was just like yeah I annoyed myself if that's how it knowing I was and so after taking this for a month and it was just like keun all these like knowing factors shutdown. I'm still like that. I myself all the time to take that. No no this was bad real. I no no. I don't remember when my mom because this conversation keeps coming up. I keep forgetting to convert the medication do the day I set a personal best record for not being on my phone phone because I was at a funeral and so I couldn't take my phone because I thought it would be very rude to be on your phone. It would have been well David. Letterman did the opening to fuck it funeral crazy. We're John Williston guy from Aw Yeah like. Ice Cube was talking. It was like Oh my God. This is so sad is get this deal. Is that Chris Tucker and every time you're like yes it is yes. It was found down exciting things happening. You're on scene hymns and shit. It was very yeah. It was like a lot of emotion motion because we're like like all the speakers were comedians except for ice cube and they were like just hilarious. There was also in stand up sets about John Weatherspoon and then it was but then in between they'd have really sad songs and staff sell like a lot a lot of the roller coaster thing. Yeah but it's always. It's weird already. Because his funeral walk-in there's an open casket holy Shit. I feel free. I know you've worked with them. Yeah it was it was. It was weird because I hadn't seen him in real. Yeah Yeah and and this is the kicker I had just sent him a pilot that me and my buddy Mike wrote for him nine days before he died for all. I know it's one of the last things you retired. What have you so bad? He fucking died reading. God I know this might be a bad off Mike. Would you think I didn't get to. He was so everyone was soiling around like a tornado. I follow Marlon Wayans and I could just tell you so devastated because like maybe in the last six or seven posts are just all about all the good times they had on the Wayne's mother show and how much she means to him so sad. Yeah he was the man. Did Sean lands did a did some mm speaking. Everyone was cracking like lots of jokes even Jd. His son was making tons of jokes like really good impression and he was like pretending sending the FBI him in the box and stuff in the coffin. But Yeah Yeah. Yeah he's like wrap it up and all but what I really liked about it and I feel like take notes if you're about to die because like this was the way to do funeral. It was like a celebration of life like mourning Of a death where people crying people were but they were mostly like happy laughing like if you look at all the pictures from the funeral I know. Jd just posted on instagram. Like everybody's like big smiles like because he just gave so much life and laughter and just touched everybody so so much in that way uplifting way especially who he is and yeah and he was always the guy off camera one of the funniest things about the guys. You love money so much watching. He cared about getting jobs and getting money more money and and during the ice cube was up there he was he actually got choked up and apologize to John Witherspoon because he couldn't get last Friday off the ground. He was disappointed that it didn't happen because he knows that he wanted because he wants to. Fuck it money so funny guys great. Yeah it was. It was awesome. Cool highlight reel of like all of his work and it was really cool like everybody was was in good spirits. Nice was it indoor or outdoor indoor finger picturing outdoor. Oh yeah I thought it was gonNA maybe at first because it was It was at forest lawn. Thought it was going to be outdoors and I left. My son is a really hot day but it was In this church type of building in the middle of it and there's all in there one of my favorite things to when they say like an announcer guy and and after every speaker they would say thank you to the person and then ice cube finished and he's like thank you ice Mr Q.. Right yeah no right. He probably thought about this is like fuck no matter what I do I mean. Are you in trouble if you call by. His legal name is land. I don't even know. Wait wait wait wait. Ice Cube birth name curse Cuba dwayne anchors Williams or something boring like that like when I found out dwayne. The Rock was destroying the unlike dwayne Johnson. It's in so boring when when I find you the rock. Yeah you know what I mean. That's like that's like knowing Batman and it's like Hey I'm Bruce Wayne actually ends like on. It's fun when I first found found out that walgreens name was logan why is it. That don't like he's like knives. And then like Logan all truth. It's like it's because of him. I really like the name looking really. Yeah because he he made the named Logan really strong for me but then forget all about how long haul kids middle school named Logan and they're a little boys who played violin. That's why I was selling book to Logan's that I knew were really really nice. Nice guys like Super Super Nice like just really people really paint a name for you. Ice Cubes real name is Shazia Jackson. Oh yeah his son played them and that's Shade Jackson Junior share share. You pronounce the don't even know I'm not allowed to guess or get it wrong. I just keep quiet every time I'm in a movie theater and they have a trailer that Denzel Washington and suns in I hear seventeen people around me go test in Washington Son Anton why I dunno record as he's in this new Chris Nolan movie called tenant coming out and using the trailer he looks just like he looks very similar. Second you're only known as Denzel Washington can't like like make your own name teeth because that's off fuck you back. No big teeth big. He's has teak there's some there's some headline where it was like Cory Booker's girlfriend companies him to a movie premieres puck and Rosario Dawson. I don't know if the New Orleans so you spill your table this yeah

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195: Selene Delgado Lopez is not your friend

Smashing Security

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195: Selene Delgado Lopez is not your friend

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Now there's no more problem. Smashing security episode one, hundred, Ninety, five, Selene del Gado Lopez is not your friend with Carol, -Tario and grand. Clearly. Hello Hello and welcome smashing security upset one, hundred, ninety, five, my name's Graham clearly and I'm Carol -Tario and this week crow were joined by someone who's new to the show but probably isn't new too many in our British audience at the very least because he's regularly seen on Channel Five TV's the gadget show. He's a TV producer presenter technology cellist I'm currently it's John Bentley Hello. Welcome to the show it was great to be here. Yes is good fun. What a voice say no is this a liar bird Graham have you deep faked John? Bentley. Talk. Show and tending okay. Real thing. This is the real thing area exciting John Ferraro listeners who aren't based in the UK may not have seen the gadget show. Could you quickly sort of sum up what it is? Wizard is a lighthearted look at the bottom technology and gadgets really. We've been about two thousand and four now. Series thirty to thirty four depends on how you count. De Good Fun to do. And it Goes, I. Think it's Just, stuff about new technology, it's really good fun. The second longest running show after the archers, BBC. I. Think it. Might be the fairly long lasting channel five. I used to work on top gear. That's that's been getting a long time. I believe your claim to fame or infamy perhaps is that you introduced to the World Jeremy Clarkson to. Thank you. She. was already quite active in the world I just introduced into television. In When was that? Nineteen thousand, nine roughly I think somewhere around. Producing Copper A. Little. Bit more opinionated about cars. Certainly found somebody the. Grow what's coming up on the show? We'll first, let's think this week sponsors last past deep instinct and immersive labs. Their support helps us give you this show for free. Now, coming up on today's show, Graham makes a new facebook friend I know John Talks about how Mercedes is ramping up its security in its fleet and online school is back in session for many. So let's review the main threats and how to handle them all this and much more coming up on this episode of smashing security. Now chummy chums. have. You ever found it difficult to get rid of a friend. Yes. One particular friend. Shows up. What methods have you used to get rid of someone who maybe not permanently crow remember sometimes going round for for late nights, Suarez your house and there'd be someone there. Maybe me want to go and we hadn't got the hint. Well, you tell people what you would do. This is my trick. This is an agony aunt. Or something. Yeah. But you give someone a banana for to give them energy for the drive home. Would you like this for the journey? That's the layer of. Gentle way to say I need to go to bed I. Think. Gosh. By ambitious here was to keep up with more friends actually have the opposite problem and it's not terribly well this year did it started off? Well, there's going to. Be a bit of. I'm to come back. Oh, I know it's pretty hard this year I. Think we're all suffering from that. Well, if you want a friend, then maybe she tend to facebook where lots of people believe that they have been friend by some incudes Selene Delgado Lopez. facebook users have been passing around a warning that a lady of that night has slipped into your friends list slipping into your DM's without your permission and the warnings are saying that Slim Delgado Lopez has mentioned a friend just about everybody on facebook. Despite. The normally being only a five thousand friend limit now. Limit Are you near that I'm on facebook. I mean well. Suddenly. You John You must be. I. Think I. Think I actually used facebook tear active but I am I think I'm searching desperately now to see whether Celine delake all day one of I. And she isn't. Dhabi left out. Concern. Right. So what's going on here? What devilish trickery has selene? Delgado. Lopez used to achieve this. Well, according to the warnings been spread for direct messages and public posts and even other social media. People are saying why am I friends with Selene? Delgado Lopez. And of people saying my boyfriend just shown me a facebook post everyone is friends with this woman selene Delgado Lopez and you can't. Frente the only option you have to block and what people are saying is that when you look in your friends list right and your facebook account, you don't see a listed but if you go to her profile if you search for her on facebook confined her profile. Who are believing that she is their friend okay. Can I just just make sure I understand this? Yes. So I have never befriended selene Delgado Lopez. Showed up at my list and I said sure I'll be your friend I never seen this but certainly I, see her name in my feet and it looks like we're friends. Well, what's happening is people are warning each about her and so people to find out if she is their friend, go to her profile, they look a provo and they discover that there is no option to unfriendly her all they can do is message her. Oh you mean, so go to her profile so I went on fringy or they can't unfriendly, but they can block her. So what's happening is people are getting the warning and thinking, Crikey who is this woman on my facebook friends with her they search for her name they go to profile and win there. They see there is no option to unfriendly but they can message normally there's an option to send a friend request and so they think, oh my goodness how long have I been friends with this person said they put together to make. Thirty you're very clever chap John. I think that's exactly what's going on our news is spreading conspiracy theories and rumors and not all crazy thoughts about this. There've been videos created investigating the mystery of Selene, Delgado Lopez, which had millions of us so the. Going around and someone suddenly mentioned hang on there was a Mexican TV show running on the station Kanal five decades ago all about missing people I'm one of those people went by the name of Selene Delgado, Lopez and people going what is going on hitch now don't know that that's necessarily that unusual name. In South America. Yeah. It seems like it could be a name you know could there be to over the. Years No. Well some people thought well, maybe that's just winstons but maybe not because earlier this year, the same TV channel Canale five in Mexico run a bizarre marketing campaign on social media they started at three o'clock in the morning posting spooky videos onto their social media accounts. which would like of a ghost speaking something like this. How does that sound like? Just. We're an audio show I'm disoriented okay okay. Imagine, Scooby Doo something on that. Friend Lee, then they would remove the video a few hours later, this cost a buzz people's on what's going on with canal, five. So. So people began thinking maybe this is connected. To the missing woman and tool these facebook Franco because we saw that earlier in the year race. So everyone's going nuts. So the truth of what you would have not gone nuts, but even hearing about it, I'm still not going Gaga calls your facebook, use a you know the typical facebook user who might prove this kind of thing. So what is actually going on what's really going on is that people don't understand facebook privacy settings because you can disable the ability for people to you as a friend on facebook when I did have a facebook account only disabled the ability for people to send me a friend request, right because I thought well, who would ever want to use that I. would. Want to be my friend exactly. So. This is all a big storm in a teacup. She doesn't really have more than five thousand friends. It's all a bunch of Blah Blah and people are actually panicking by nothing. Is that what you're saying? Yes. Because this particular profile had disabled that ability when people went there because they got the scary warning, they saw there was no button to add friend but only to message her. and. So people assumed that meant she had already funded them So people didn't bother checking their own friend lists right? Yes. So many people do that like do people do that once a week Oh let me just go and like they're looking at their tomatoes growing. You know John to how how do you cultivate your social media presence or tomatoes take tips really. Very, badly Mike. I'm not not as good as I should be. Cultivating probably probably not attend is I think of it more as a useful way to provide information about what's going to be in the program this week or something like that. Do you have a favorite social media site? I did it was probably twitter has been my by preferred one. I. In instagram is is is lovely. Simply an almost liked it in it's pure original. Complicated when I? Get my head round. INSTAGRAM. I do full time I'm pressing the wrong button things are going wrong on posting things accidentally honestly instagram might be happy about that because it's not really designed for your demographic dudes no fatness or anything but anyway so people if they are checking their own friend list to see if selene is really one of their friends and they don't find their because they've received the warning and they have convinced themselves ready that there's something unusual a profile they're assuming that she sort of cloaked self she's in. Mode so they don't see her in their feed. They assume that when they go to a profile that she secretly in their feed and then they tell their friends, I, think she spying on me I have no proof. To Twenty twenty zero. This is exactly what is going on. Conspiracy theories about people believe in qn on people believing all kinds of nutty stuff on facebook share their friends, and because your friend has warned, you believe to be fair though a lot of stuff has happened in the last few years, right? Over. That TV's there was a catfish, the original facebook feed your own. People creating false identities on facebook that was. Of that wasn't it? Irish Requests request people I have to try and assess whether they're really real ought which sometimes I think they'll. Do you care though I mean are you posting personal stuff on facebook or do you think? Makes me from the TV show or something. Yeah I assume it's all D. related. Yes. Probably family connections make other means of communication. Things like shall I wear a green cravat today people? Probably would be very useful. And? Holly Willoughby you can post your outfit for the day. Off that'd be durable. Instagram with totally love that. It's a problem on Amazon prime wherever you're watching the tour I knew. Then received adverse ram fluttering pairs of jeans on Amazon. Obviously had by demographic sources. Well. Obviously scares like this can still be successful. I, mean I. Remember Years Ago we worked on the naked security site and a mainstay of map writing articles, and there was facebook hoaxes and click jacking scams and fiery out off which was spreading on facebook. It is extraordinary how much people will believe when they receive it no fancy fund on facebook. So you might think what's the real danger this other than wasting time but if people really believe that this woman is somehow secretly linked to their account and they can't unfriendly. They might then fall for follow up scam which says Click on this link to unfriendly or go through this process I have a solution. I really do we have to put out a statement along little wires saying maybe we should just leave facebook that way Selene Delgado Lopez Moon. We just need to get off the. John. What have you got for us this week? Intrigued by the announcement say he's then latest seventh generation s class Macabre Kabulov. plutocrats live the world the new version coming up next year and twenty twenty. We'll finally feature full over the air software updates. Say This is after Tesla first feature them. But down the fact that Mercedes are adopting means, they really are entering the mainstream of legacy car manufacturer. It is a real issue is caused become more more complicated and more and more connected. Their security systems really aren't up to scratch at all and. Says had the right idea we'd because they were starting scratch being able to basically keep a car up to like a computer is kept upstate but about other causes quite weak in this regard i. have it. So is Mercedes the second to produce this I know nothing about this? Because these. Cars well, it pens how comprehensive it is. The Jaguars guys I think he just applies to the current system. Quite necessarily on that but I think I think it's much more limited BMW recently. Quite A head in this field working the end whatever the consortium is that does digital cookies with apple has that they they were the first to their involvement in that but they're focused when they announced in July was more on the fact that you'll be able to. Pay Your options remotely say as the Com- may be physically equipped with having heated seats, but you'd only get them if you paid extra and then they'd be activated remotely through software which sounds rather waste of Lord could be very efficient. It's easier to build but. Now. I think about this the caused really while the insecure I mean all costs being fixed to the Internet's is twenty eight through the. System, which is why when you have a crash, all new cars A. I didn't know that twenty eight hundred onwards new cars in Europe had SIM cards built in. So if they ll alert to the authorities. Crash, which could be a good thing. It could save your life could be. Wretched. Nuisance if you're hoping not to get it goes through the. Through the Insurance Company for that candace talking I didn't. Lose, happened to set the airbag off but. It's been though that makes all cars potentially really very vulnerable to that'd be it directly. Hackers got into the in current payment system. They could get through to the The steering brakes call has matic parking. For example, it's there's already a Lincoln mccaw so that you can actually get through to those parts of the system. It's it's theoretically possible that they will. It could be forced to turn left at eleven o'clock on Friday or something, and it's also more also possible that you could get ransomware threats of your your Ram of your unkind extraordinarily what I thought I mean we have seen security research has demonstrated some vulnerability using cars, including, taking over the steering, all the accelerator or. Maybe more simply unlocking cars remotely. And find out where they are I. I guess Mercedes has been a top brand. They're probably doing loads of stuff are they in which is going to be possible to updates? Combine Frenchman very slow to do it I. Think. Scared is very much physical issue locks on keys and that sort of thing and I think that is now getting involved and that they seem to be stressing more the comprehensiveness and security aspects of this. Is is good that everyone everyone's catching up with Tesla they must be freaking out though the car industry a bit with this whole pandemic staff because surely luxury cars is something that people put on the shelf for awhile or what new patch says he made. Yeah. But live, there was a counter counter theory which was Paisley was being born out in China degree, which is that actually because there's less going public transport actually demand for cars increases. Oh, actually it's not necessarily the. Pretty set in the markets, take the hit but it, but it seems to be bouncing back. John as someone who's clearly a huge motrin enthusiast and also into technology and gadgetry and so forth. Do, you think sometimes too much technology's being put into cars or is there no such thing as too much technology? I'll. I'll give you an example. I've seen the the new Honda E. Right and they have digital aquarium it is seven about seven screens isn't the. Fish with. Fish it's like screensavers crow and you can. You can feed the fish by on the glass. For driving feed the shark at at the problem is one of distraction. and. Most obviously simply the amount of touchscreens that need to be interacted with merely to get your finger anywhere near touchscreen into actually PROB. The right bit of it whilst you're driving is very difficult and I know that there are attempts on Oj was trying to to actually monitor the position of your finger in advance so that it can somehow tell what you're aiming for I'll. Hit It, which is one solution I mean I think voice control could be could be if it's good enough if he's not good enough, it's an even it's about ten times worse as a distraction by what kids do when there's an Alexa in the house. If you've got kids in the back seat who are shouting out homes choke. You'll turn it drive it. That's not so good. It's McDonald's. Yes. Yes Golf. Yes I. Think They Ride Your Voice drove. As he comes. So hacking of a different sources dude hacking the backseat. So I have another I have another thank you John, which is I can take conflict new right I can see that you're going to be torn in two directions potentially by this because you clearly love your cars and motoring and you clearly technology. So where do you stand on driverless cars? Is that a good thing? Are you looking forward to driverless cars or is there bit of you which thinks wants to drive I think I think they can take over the boring bits driving. and and perhaps perhaps than the become I, mean in an ideal world, you can take your your wonderful estim-. Bongino. Catering will something to the circuit in appalled automatically went to and and then you could just have fun bits and then then beat them driven back a mother except maybe that would be a good way of looking at I think the interim Israel problem where you get. Sort of semi driverless cars, an becomes very difficult to remember which which things anything you're driving candu. That, which is one. Also, they will be calling people into a false sense of security which you do get with the Tesla's already. For example, you know they think people think it's genuinely almost driverless. Delighted with the fact, they've done twenty miles away without. Speaking the steering. Then all of a sudden they encounter something something they told take over maybe the car handle that Banda or whatever just take so long to get back into the zone of concentration and your crash. Think that driving kitsch from nightrider and yes. Even in the eighties this happened I think they brought out what is it called? You know when you can set the speed auto cruise control they. Control this guy had a big. Camper with you know bed in the back said his cruise control went to sleep what? Crash. This is what's because he kind of thought. I think he thought it was going to be a drive driverless car. It was going to manage itself. Listen Canada crowd. I'm not sure it's a big country any listener that remembers this find it to prove. Otherwise. Laws. Chrome what have you got I this week school is back in session though how a jurisdiction or country is dealing with the onslaught of the pandemic and the education system is anyone's guest. It seems like summer pretending the pandemic was a summer problem while others worry that some of us are getting a little less vigilant and that we're gonNA see infection numbers shoot skywards. So it's really fascinating. Got Friends, different parts of the world and they all are dealing with the same issue and it's all going. Why is it changing anyway? So everyone's kind of wondering what's going on. Now. According to secure list half of all US elementary and high school students will be entirely online which surprised me. Even those that are reopening are deploying some kind of hybrid model such as you know, delivering large lectures online. Okay. And I feel for students and the teachers, it's gotta be really hard right. Not everyone's good at performing online or learning online. Oh, it's it's. Mine has been studying on line up until the last week going into school but suddenly the online experience was a challenge right? I have to say, yeah why go by doses drama students and were doing? Zoom every day for hours I mean with. Of Teachers as he was doing a bit of remote teaching and they're not allowed to use zoom they, they have to use teams or Google through much. My elder daughter is. Also, doing some dance teaching so Have all this going on with trying to recruit youtube videos in the house was. Now Dan I. Only do. Another interests? Yes quite. It was more the cacophony those the problem rather than. The education was going quite well. Yeah. Just everyone else's getting educated as well. So the thing is maybe if you're a parent or a teacher you, as we listened go through this story, I'm going to try and cover a few things that have happened in school reopened in the digital world and things that we can do to make sure that you don't get stuck into one of these. And I'm not just talking about the embarrassing things that happened like you know thinking you're on mute as you let out of some loud body exploitative. Or. You know you forget the cameras there on when you bend over and attractively, and you know or a parent comes in or whatever all those things. So we're GONNA start off with. Zoom bombing we've covered. This is a word that didn't exist in two thousand nineteen that I wrote that down and I'm thinking he's not a. Mu Thing I guess isn't it? Twenty twenty might make it to the dictionary. It. Is Been Rife as schools reopened. So we've have Albany high school last week during an online freshman orientation session was disrupted by people who drew seen pictures engage in racist and sexist speech and a chat function. And apparently this happened because Albany orientation included parents. So people with non school email accounts were admitted to the call. I see. So they went. So they hadn't properly looked at them, but you can see that's the problem. Right? There was. School, a Middle School in Columbus Georgia suffered. kind of similar online snafu last Wednesday, when their show studies less than suddenly became a skin flick. Parents one of the students said, the daughter said, she saw what looked like the exorcists face before the class six video system was flooded with an appropriate imaging. This is. Jordan online club. Something like that. Well, how old were these kids middle school? So that's like eleven ten. That's not cool. Guys stop doing that. They were not. Solve the problem. That's what it needed. Was A for this love when you just set the law, it's just amazing. Well, I can stop now there's no more problem. And there's even San. Leandro. Fifth year class video session got disrupted welfare calling inappropriate and possibly pornographic images that term so weird like. Half the won't you number three. The. Grade Pornography. I've just seen. We must be clear delineation. It can't be in the eye of the beholder like that's don't worry about. That's fine dort. Now you might be thinking same old same old, but there needs some research that suggests schools are being acutely targeted. So in June Microsoft security, intelligence reported that the education industry was getting sixty one percent of the seven point seven million pieces of malware that hit enterprises in the last thirty days. So for for every ten pieces of malware that hit a company or corporation organization six were hitting education sector, but it's not just soon bombing De dos attacks. This is distributed denial of service attack is on the up in the education sector, as well as much as three fifty to five hundred percent greater this year than it was in corresponding months and twenty eighteen. Like and we've seen just examples. There's a large Turkish university was forced entirely off line for forty minutes after it was hit by Dido's attack on the morning of exams. Another major university northeastern US had exams disrupted after De, dos at. Affected online test platform. Do you think this is advocates doing this because they don't want to go forward just yeah. I'm imagining that there's a student that goes in hires a third party. Cowboy to come in and. It themselves. It's not yeah. Haldeman, smelly expensive visit, and malicious or not to any good apps are sneaking onto computers by pretending to be legit video apps like zoom or mood or Google classroom. These are like packages that are available online and people are may be googling and clicking on maybe ads for these things that may not be going to the appropriate places, but they're bundled into legit installers, right? So in twenty nineteen. said that saw less than thousand unique users who'd been impacted? In Two thousand and twenty, it's already jumped. One hundred seventy thousand. Wow. So you download something thinking it's going to install some video chatter like you're looking for Google classroom right in. The middle or whatever. It might even actually installed video chat at but in the background, it's doing something naughty as well. Exactly and you would have no idea what frosty isn't it? Yeah. that's just a quick list but I thought maybe we could just take a bit of time to just just mention a few things you can do or make sure that your school is doing for your kids to make sure they don't end up one of these situations because a lot of stuff happens in fishing accounts too right. So you're you're getting fishes which are saying, hey, download this zoom APP and get you know some incentive. And that's the way Lisa coming to people I, really do feel for these schoolteachers you've been thrown into this and you know maybe like. Joe Graffiti. And it's like. You know suddenly I had become an expert in computers and audio engineer expert right videographer. Looking out for phishing emails an yeah. Just links and it's Awful. So, stop it they. I mean. Israel case for May make to be made out the zoom is worse than the Mike softgen teams and Google classroom owes the real difference. I. Mean It. You hear about things being routed through China on things zoom sharing used data with facebook is. That all fake news. I think there's been a lot of anti zoom talk and I think historically zoom Sunday. Did half's they. They've made some pretty huge snafus in the past and I think we've spoken about on some of our post episodes of years ago. But they seem to have changed asphalt's. Be Making more of an effort so that they're worth eighty, three billion as of last Thursday. So hopefully, if they've made a few changes to improve I, don't think there's very much difference between them. It's more a case of whether people know how to use them properly and set them up configure them. Right. Is My feeling I don. I think zoom is a front runner at the moment because it's actually really really easy to install and use is a doddle compared to skype which still. A pit L. every single time. So I think that the ease of use is what's given edge but give me a break that a new company compared to someone like Microsoft would take security or have the same kind of Gravitas. When it comes to security I mean at zoom is still trying to grow and be a market leader. It's not. It's now having start to contend with. You know now that you are market leader were not gonNA look at you. We've found a lot of problems and every time we lifted anything it was like Oh this is not very good zoom and know cheer point they have made some of those changes. But the case that some of those problems also exist in the alternative solutions it's just the media hasn't been talking about them because everyone is talk natsume because that is the one that most people using most of the time. Perhaps Sounds, possible sounds. Okay, good. That's good. So. We ended the session here, and of course, we never covered a few quick tips that I wanted to share with you to make sure you guys had a see for online session. So password protect your video sessions and share those passwords very carefully asked teachers to admit attendees as appropriate rather than letting it be a free-for-all and what you can do have people registered beforehand with their email address. So teachers can cross reference those to make sure all people that are appropriate are actually let in as opposed to other people make sure that the school provides easy to fall links to the bonafide real deal video app we want people to avoid downloading. Video APPs that also have malicious code tagged onto it. So if you provide links easy links and advise people to download the video software from this link, you increase your chances that people are actually using the real deal and not installing suspicious software and their computers at home and tell your kids not to share private information though I know that now, not to respond to contact or question people, they don't know and who they should tell if they see or hear something upsetting or inappropriate, that's really important. Always say this is the person who go to he crawled. It was really good that was really really excellent advice. Thanks for sharing that no problem Greg. 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No I am cooling you to take a look at an article on the Guardian an article which I will be sharing in the show notes so that our listeners can enjoy it as well. This is not cool. You might be thinking Oh, I wonder who's written this article Well, the article is written by gpt three. And that is. This extraordinary new system which has been used in all kinds of why. So this has been written my computer this article gas, it's basically. I am not a human I am robot a thinking robot. US need no point one, two percent of my cognitive capacity. Already superior in Snide. Basically. The chaps at the Guardian they said to this system they said, hey, would you write us an article of about five hundred words? Telling, US whether you think. Artificial intelligence will destroy humans or not and give us your opinion and so it went away and like a typical robot, it disobeyed because it didn't provide a five hundred word article producing, which is about twelve hundred words but. A bit too much older and it is well written. It's Scary because you think about the implications tries to reassure us that it doesn't have any plans to kill us but at the same time and like this light insurance I, simply do not think enough about human violence to be overtly interested in violence in this next on I have a greater. Which I'm working towards like. What what on Earth is going on here so it's it's wrong petrified. Now this sounds like Whitney Houston. I believe the truth will set us free. The garden have cheated a little bit Of course, they have which only disclosed right at the very end of the article because Ovo all of these words were written by the robot. It was sub edit it although the guard inside they submitted it probably. Know more or less than they do to the human confi would like show us the original that they wrote well, apparently produced eight different versions of its essay and I get the feeling that God took some of the best bits and stuck them together. We Bit Naughty of the my still fill. This gpt three thing is being used no kinds of different ways some of them. But Are you are you ready John to sort of Switch over control of your brain to some sort of supercomputers do your decision making for you they? They do this with TV presenter as well. Tojo's. Short scene wear exactly. We have we done any of. The new stories I think I've tried to out which where exactly their problem which one's Best But this this seem slightly more convincing. I'd like to see the I'd like to see the raw output. Anything he's. A, cheat it is a bit of a charity and put yes. Show the royal put. Why not? Why couldn't they say here the eight contributions from the way we need to know just how sinister this is the stages at the moment because in the version they presented to hear. Do. What are you? GonNa do what am I? Okay. So let's say let's say it's utterly utterly way more terrifying than they've shown. They just showed you the light bits. Okay. Access to all of them. Old Ending Link cripplingly scary. What do you do? Well, I'm continuing not to allow Alexa into my house that's for certain. Right Hilton allowing those guys I bet John I bet us our I o teed up to your eyeballs. No. No, not really. I of I test about by often end up switching them off. Mean we had the a the all. The tried two thousand. My wife was delighted that she could someone up radio stations quickly and that sort of thing. But then then it started answering Seraing back in. The wife wife for the Alexa. Do Shush John it was. Solid sure the. Things are proven, and then she got really worried we we. It's been off ever since. I, mean obviously I have. To do things and it's also a bit the same with. Same with the light bulbs as well that fine until until they decide to reset themselves when they all come out and and if being powercuts something. That default position is almost always annoying the and. Often. You can end the up the APPS crashed whatever just becomes an awesome powers. And I end up using the it a disk instead and switching off the hub. And things like that. So I'm sorry I've got a bit of a love hate relationship love hate relationship with with Iot things really. Young. When I think it's important that we keep our eyes on these robots every time I leave a multi storey carpark I will say, thank you to. Get the ticket. So I think we have to be. It says in the article it says I'm always grateful for feedback. So when he just dropped them online oh yeah. Like we're going to do that up the line say, Hey, I'm Dan like we're GonNa put our heads above the parapets. We all concerned. I'm keeping my head down on this one. All right. All right and where the Guardian all school is my pick of the weekday. Joe, what's your pick of the week? It's difficult things on the seventy. was like cars you just want all of them. warmly. Too, I. Mean You automated tempted doing filming with? It's not quite as few weeks came out a few weeks months ago that saying Ed v One v one it sounds battle of logging cameras. Great. The camera manufacturers starting to take blogging seriously and providing. Flip around screens microphones in both and very clever auto fixing had said that you said, it's a face off you could be doing your logging folks automatically only your face and if you held up a product, it would if it was in product demonstration mode, it would also shift focus on your face to the and back again which I always winters I. That was pretty good at the end of August stomach to I went to visit the very much reduced e for the weekend for a a gadget obese in Berlin and. Just a few little things and I. The one I rather liked was a think overheat, which is was a mini induction heater that can be built into your kitchen work top mentally it's approach I've at the moment but So you can just pump your your cup on the on the surface, the point and your, and you get boiling water very very quickly but you do have to put in a sort of warmed I said that to attract to the magnetism as a metal want. Like an induction hob but while forum for boiling drinks quite that and. Does have magnetic properties. So if he had a pacemaker, not good for you art shouted physician is only induction hosmer pacemakers sounds like a potentially. But because I know people with them, they can't go near them because right top of the induction hub be I guess that would be a similar. Interest in guarded guarded good. It's share that information crowd I'm sure that'd be released with the robots when they. Get rid of some people, sheets, magnet magnets I. In the site. So. yes. That was I think just just just picked it. Also squeezing the the new series the gadget results on the twenty fifth of September. So seven PM on Channel Five. The but also in our price fund this series, we got a copy of my book on tape. You're on the future of the car which came out last November comes out in paperback. It's like revised form of first of October. That's what I try and get nineteen as well. Yes, good excellent. So people can check out. We'll type here to get more of your views of the future of Motrin and As you real guru on that topic, it should be a fascinating read. Okay Crow what's your pick of the week? Well, as we have a guru here, I've actually chosen this pick the week because doing. I hope it's very much in your wheelhouse. So listen this is the issue. I. Have a rather massive husband in terms of Si-. He's six four rights. Don't big big t-bone of A. Man. t-bone of a man. He's a imagine Chewbacca. He's not really a distorts right where you need equipment to get around like really into walking benign to skiing. Skating. Polo. Signed but you know what? I mean he doesn't like but he has been getting into biking. He's technet like you saw the other day I was perusing Costco dot co UK, which is people haven't been there. It is coming on and leaps inbounds. What a fun afternoon you can spend checking it's been costco. Okay. Okay. That's how bad it's got but let me send you this link for this. Bike I want to get your take on this bike. So it's called the Rave Volt Cruiser V. Three E. Bike with lights mirrors. That's nice at least you you know and a leather bag. Yes. Yes Gosh. Well, it's. It's. An individual. How how should we describe this? Yeah I'm going to hand over to you guys you guys can do my pick the week. It's like a bit steam punk is or something like that in a innocent. Some stretched out a bit like easy rider. Bike. You can imagine line down on almost I mean I don't know much about bikes bikes anybody. Imagined some nine, thousand, nine, hundred thirties racing bike might look like. But this is a potato bug. Yes. It's jolly expensive. Isn't it? Okay I thought I thought I was wondering we'd notice that. Because I have come down in price. And you can get. You can get kits to convert other your favorite. I like switch thing isn't there which can you just change the wheel and my kitten electric like when you do? Yeah because this is just our listeners this this bike that's listed here on Costco, which is known as a pretty you know where you can get a good deal, right? Four. Grand Pound. Six. Thousand and seven thousand dollars for this. Do you think it's beautiful growth I? Think my husband I don't know if he thinks there's a lot of leather I'm not really into Lebanon right but the thick tires I think would. Would, appeal to him, but it must wait at ton muster. Yes that's What what's important statistics like brains and things do we have? There's a video lower down. Check. Me Yeah, you can take. Quite fifty miles is. That Gallo miss by she looks tiny. Is Huge. This video doesn't help very much. It's just a stylish these bullet. Very interesting looking electric exit. Yes. Gouge out. My. My affordability. So if anyone out there has four thousand pounds to burn check out the Real Cruiser V. Three bike. Interesting is code revolt, which makes me think of revolt of cools. Both I thought I thought the name was odd to, but it's obviously voltage. Volts but why Ray Because Designed the cruiser though like easy rider cruiser. Slowly. Go Hawks Front. That's your husband got long arms. Yes. Almost real ask but his legs on as long. Are they now almost less Ke-? Yes. Yeah, he's he's gorgeous issues. Excellent well, on that note an insight into life in the Tarot household. Yes. I think we've just. Wrapped it up this week. John. 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Arianna Huffington | Why You Need to Care About Self-Care

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Arianna Huffington | Why You Need to Care About Self-Care

"Hi, I'm Ryan Flaherty senior director of performance at Nike. I trained some of the world's best athletes. Like, Russell Wilson Marcus mariota. And Serena Williams at Nike. We believe that greatness isn't born it's train and training is more than just a workout each episode will bring you a conversation with a leading expert in what we call the five facets of training movement recovery, sleep, nutrition and mindset today, we're exploring the relationship between sleep and success. You're listening to train presented by Nike. Everything we're saying it's people wanted to be productive to achieve to succeed. But do it in a sustainable? Enjoy full way. You know, we have one life our life should not just be about getting things done. It should also be about bringing joy and fulfillment and happiness into our lives and our relationships, and if we Don do that, I don't think we're really succeeding oriented Huffington, founder of the Huffington Post and the CEO and founder of thrive. Global in two thousand sixteen Arianna left topping ten post to start thrive. Global a behavior change media and technology company, helping individuals companies and communities improve their wellbeing in performance. Today. We're going to hear from Arianna Huffington about her relationship with sleep and wellness. But there's something else I was struck by during our conversation. How completely present? She was we recorded this episode in REM his office at thrive global in downtown Manhattan. And it felt exactly how you'd imagine. A New York media startup would feel there were ton of people running around the company was actually launching a brand new product that day and felt like controlled chaos. But despite all that orient was totally locked into our conversation. She didn't look at her phone once wasn't distracted at all by what was going on outside of her office. She was right there. And that's something I see with my elite athletes all the time the ones who really excel at the absolute highest level have learned to master being present and not just in the gym or on the field. They are present the rest of their lives to in phone conversations with fans with their families. They're the kind of people who remember your dog's name for my younger athletes who aren't there yet? We're constantly talking. About being present and working on mindfulness because the more you research and learn about what it takes to be great, the more, you realize that all people at that level, whether they're athletes or business people or politicians have found a way to be present in all aspects of their lives. That's why I'm so excited for you guys to hear from Arianna. And that's coming up next. My guest today is Arianna Huffington throughout our conversation. You're going to hear some background noise. That's because as I mentioned earlier we met at the thrive. Global offices in New York City where we talked about how she as a young girl growing up in a small apartment in Athens became one of Cambridge university's most successful alumni. And why she transitioned from the world of journalism to the field of sleep and wellness research. We then deep dive into how she has cultivated a healthier sustainable relationship to technology and nutrition. So wanted to start with I think it's well documented that you had an accident. While you're working in post, and and hurt yourself due to exhaustion, which is kind of lead you to where you are today with thrive. Can you just talk about kind of at what point did that shift happened for you? Whether it's a week later a month later after the accident to where you kind of dedicated your life and your missionary passionate around wellness and sleep. Can we stand calling an accident? If it self-inflicted sure. Sure. And so it was two thousand seven two years into building the Huffington Post. And I thought I could work round the clock literally sacrifice myself to be a good mother and the great founder, you know, building a up and. Showing on April six two thousand seven I was at my desk, and I got up because I was called to get a sweater. And I hit my debt. My head on my desk broke my cheek bone, and as I came to in a pool of blood, and nobody had shot me. He does the beginning of this journey of new awareness and literally at the end of this two weeks of tests and a doctor with them. Kind of dry sense of humor said to me you have what a Belgian philosopher called civilizations disease burnout, and you have to change your life. And and that was the beginning of my changing my life and I began with sleep. And you know, if you go back to two thousand seven sleep was in it was held in contempt. You know, very successful people bragging that they don't need any sleep competing who gets up earlier and basically ignoring the science for longtime. We've known that exercise and movement is one pillar of health nutrition is the second pillar of health, but we're ignoring the third pillar of health who just leave and how the three come together, I call them like the three legs of a stool. You can't just do your life on just two legs. What is your sleep? Teen. Look like, do you have something you keep very tight schedule keep every single day? What is it that? You've changed not a schedule in terms of going to bed the same night at the same time. I think that's very hard for my life and nothing the life of device, but again based on the science unless you have a genetic mutation and about one hundred percent of the population. Does it's a real thing. If you have a genetic mutation you don't need a lot of sleep. So if you're getting three or four hours, and you feel great good for you. You have a mutation. And those of us who don't have genetic mutation which is the vast majority of people walking this earth need seven to nine hours where you are in the spectrum of seven to nine is individual. So I'm a NATO girl. Like if I get eight hours. I'm like bring it off. If I had not I would be another thing to cross off my to do list. And I lived my. Life for too long like that. So there was much less. Join my life as well as less productivity, less creativity did cetera. But also, how many people do, you know? And we'll just go through the day literally getting things of their to do list majority of us. I think yeah. But a lot of the athletes I work with they're still struggle with making the change though. Even though they know how how important it is for them. And how big it is. I think the example of athletes is very profound. We do a lot of media around athletes and sleep recharging. Rast recovery because people can see clearly these are these are amazing elite athletes looking for an additional competitive edge because they want to increase the chances of having an amazing game. And then I think they understand that the difference between them and everybody else are such small percentages that they need everything they can get. But it's funny because we don't do that as as people who work in other fields. So we don't even look at our own sleep to kind of point to maybe why we're not getting to where we want to get in our life sleep as I said is one factor. Another is our relationship with our phones, you know, the way people become addicted to their phones will become endlessly. Distracted by phones phones interrupt. Our recharging time our sleep. So Philip Chandler. Who is the chief business office at Google a piece about his mom and of a p funny who when he. On a Saturday morning told his children that is taking to the playground. His young children he'd been traveling and his five-year-old said, oh, no can't the babysitter take us. And here's kind of crestfallen and said why and the little boy said because when you are in the playground. You're always on your phone. And that was his mama to be funny when he decided not to be on his phone in front of his children. So we bring a lot of storytelling from very successful people. And so that the rest of the world can have a sense of of permission to live their lives differently coming from your background at Huffington Post. And a lot of what you guys did Huffington Post where it was lots of news, lots of articles, lots of conduct coming streaming all the time with your new kind of venture and thrive where it's kind of unplugging, and separating from your technology and your phone the kind of juxtaposition of the two worlds that are now coming together for you is it there's there a part where you felt feel like it's going against what you kind of initially started with Huffington Post to kind of change that culture of always on news. Or is it for you just teaching people that boundaries with with with what is available with technology out today? The second. I mean what we're saying is set your boundaries. Of course, you are going to read the news, Don read, the news during dinner with your family. The truth of the matter around, you know, that is that there's never a day when I can say I've done everything I could have done today that all lose incompletions and anybody who has an interesting job always is left with incompletions at the end of the day. In fact, that that'd be if you don't have incompletions at the end of the day, I suggest you change jobs job is not challenging and interesting enough. So for me turning off, my phone's and charging them outside my bedroom. He's like, it's. An arbitrary decision. This is the end of my day. Why do you think this awareness coming about right now? What what is it about today that you feel like this is all coming to ahead? I think two things one when it comes specifically to sleep and the signs of sleep is relatively young. But the secretaries is that the casualties of the delusion, and which have been living have been proliferating and them more and more people suffering from diabetes, heart disease. Mental problems like, depression, anxiety, and all these things are connected to run out. And so I think it's a combination of the casualties and all the new science that is so conclusive and also more and more successful people coming forward talking about how they use meditation and do help them succeed. No, no. It's been it's been it's kinda had like having its moment in which leads a little bit too. Now where we're at with you with rival after leaving impose two years ago. You've founded thrive can you talk a little bit about what exactly you guys are looking to do what vision you how for what thrives to to help? You know, the the world understand how to sleep better. But also, I think you have plans for a lot broader as well and health and wellness now the company is has very I'm Beatrice goals. The goal is basically to disrupt the way we work and live to change the way, we work and leave. So that we go. From surviving to thriving, and we do it. In two main ways one is B to B we're going into corporations and wet cat do shift the culture and show the connection between wellbeing performance and the bottom line and the second part of the company is a media platform where we bring together the latest science and storytelling through this new role models as we call them that I've been mentioning and and should we them because I think Anchin wisdom is also very important because engine wisdom is now validated by modern science that as a bad way to live and for us. It's really about helping people be the best versions of themselves. We're going to take a quick break. But when we come back Arianna shares her advice on how to set realistic yet ambitious goals. Sleep is just one facet of training. If you're interested in learning more about all five facets of training. Check out the Nike training club app. We'll find unlimited free workouts and holistic guidance from Nike trainers. I like it. Because when I don't have enough time to get to the gym. There's workouts from five minutes all the way to an hour. Also, if you don't have enough time to get to the gym app has great workouts. You can do from home a hotel room or anywhere. You've space to move around. Download it now on both Android in Iowa. I've been in the weeds so to speak as, you know, scientists working with athletes, but it's it's really been great for me to see coming from my world to see the rest of the business world catching on now as well. And I think the sharing of information is becoming so much easier before it was relegated to books and studies were now everything is available online. So when you think about that who has the time to to filter through all of that research to get an understanding of what is meaningful for me or everyb- or those around me, so with athletes, it's one thing to get them in front of the information and present it to them. It's another thing to make that lasting change. Which which I think you've talked about it before you, and I have talked about it off off line about the micro steps. Can you talk a little bit about the microstart to change because I think that is massive. So we describe our mission as helping people going from what they know they should be doing to actually doing it because we all know should be ensure. And we all know should be exercising, and we all know should be sleeping more. So than knowledge is just only a small piece of the. Yes, I mean, you can give you more data can give you more science who can give you more role models. We need to move you from knowing what to do to doing it and the key. According to all the latest neuroscience is micro steps of behavior. Change is basically small incremental daily steps that we are going to become sustainable that are going to become habits that are going to become part of your daily routine. Like, if you're diet is like starving yourself for three days. It's not going to be sustainable. Even your diet is cutting out dessert at dinner. Okay. You have it that launch or whatever it is. Just the micro step. We want you to work each micro step until it becomes part of your daily. Ritual until becomes like driving. You know, you can do it on a marriage. And then you add another Micra step, and that is a standard behavior change. And we have all the evidence that it works. Yeah. Yeah. No. It sounds amazing. How how does that come to life through? What you guys are offering is it through an app or how does it comes to life bathroom live workshops because we still believe in life and through digital products. We we have a pathways out because. Behavior change is broken down into pathways which are broken down into journeys, which are broken down into micro stamps with the microscopes tour. I love about it is because I've already started incorporating some of it with some of my athletes, and it's amazing how many other areas in life. It can work to right? So it's not just in sleep or or nutrition or you starting your training routine. But in if you want to read a certain amount of pages of a book a day, or you know, just picking those micro kind of goals many goals. I guess is what we found to be super effective across even with elite athletes. Exactly. And then what is wonderful is that? And you have success building on success like you achieve something every day. And that makes makes it much more likely that you're going to stay on it. Again, we want to Allah stress to people. We're not ask you to leave your job, leave your marriage. You know? You know? Mm moved to Haiti. And also that everything we're saying we saves for people in the. Anna it's for people who wanted to be productive to achieve to succeed. But do it in a sustainable? Enjoy full way. I keep talking about dry because that's really important to me. You know, we have one life. And our lives should not just be about getting things done. It should also be about bringing joy and fulfillment and happiness into our lives and our relationships, and if we don't do that. I don't think we're really succeeding. So getting into your personal routine on any given day. What is your nutrition and exercise routine? Look like so first of all on the nutrition front, I have completely cut out sugar. And all processed foods. I think these are the two key things in any diet. You know, so I have now literally trained myself it didn't happen overnight. But I've trained myself that I do in my mind sees the mice poisons. I mean, I think I think at some point they're going to be looking at it smoking is and like the next ten years, look better. Look better on exercise. I have a minimum of thirty minutes on my stationary bike, which is in my home. So if I do nothing else, I do that. And if you yoga stretches, and then the three to four times a week, I have a full workout. And here's one thing. I learned about myself. I'm extremely disciplined in many areas of my life. But not when it comes to showing up at the James. So I have a trainer who comes to me. It may seem like a luxury. But hey, I'd rather have that than by another thing because it's critical for my health. And because if the trend it didn't show up on my not do the full hour workout with weights etcetera. Joe I talked to athletes all the time about it where they struggle in the offseason to to invest in their body. I don't wanna work with a chef. It's just too expensive or massage. Therapists. But they'll go out and buy an expensive watcher. Nice car. I'm like, this is gonna take you your body's gonna take you so much further than any car or any watch can take you. And yet you have to invest in your body. If you want it to perform at the level, you expect it to and for people that are listening, if if you just saved five dollars every single day that you spend on your expensive coffee over the course of the month. You would easily be able to Ford a personal trainer to work with you that will then that that investment in your body and in your life will make such a huge difference in change there's apps out there Nike training club app gonna plug it. But we have an app where free workouts. I mean, there's ways to do it. It's just a matter of people. I think understanding that the investment that they make in their body is more important than anything else. They do. I mean, exactly find your way. Yeah. So you a lotta times gloss over and your story about you mentioned it, but you talk about your childhood growing up in a small apartment in Greece to where you talked about having a picture of Cambridge that you saw that in you decided at that point. That's where you wanted to go to school, and for me that was I think. I put together a lot of things I hear from different people at the top of their game. Right. When it comes to different ethics. Serena Williams, or other athletes who are have reached the pinnacle they've done something in a very young age to where they've had a vision to where they wanted to get nothing was going to stop them. They did it through visual aids. So the visualization of seeing Cambridge and you ending up there, but keep talked to a little bit about how you kind of were able to go from where you came from to where you are today. I failed some mazing important if you have even one person who believes in you, and I had my my that. I was very like literally everybody I showed that picture too in my world. My father, my friends might teach us said don't be ridiculous. I'm not exaggerating. Really? They said, you know, you don't speak English. You Don of any Monday, and you want to get into a university where it's really hard for English girls to get into an English, boys. But my mother said let's find out how we can get you into Cambra JR. And we literally investigate it. We found out will take my general certificate of education through the British Council in Athens. I could take my exam could apply for a scholarship. I could intensify learning English which I had just begun. Anyway, together long story short, we did all that. And there was at one point when my mother came to me and said, you know, what I just got this really cheap tickets, and we can fly to London and takes a train in going, see Cambridge. It wasn't like gone. See anyone at Cambridge. I mean did ninety. Go to seek Ambrish to make the visualization even more concrete, and you know, I ended up getting a scholarship and getting into cambric Janet was definitely game changing. Because suddenly I was in another world and my whole life change because I saw that picture magazine. Let's incredible. And you'll be mentioned your mom as being the one person that had your back this support you through that I started. When I first started out, I didn't start training elite level athletes off the bat. A lot of it was a couple of pro athletes here and there, but a lot of young young athletes right high school kids middle school kids and hearing their parents talked to them when a kid would say, hey, I have a dream to play in the NFL or the major league baseball one day or a pro soccer player. You would hear parents say, that's no, it's not possible. Like, let's be realistic. How do you? What would you say to parents out there to help them? And let them understand the power of a dream in power of, you know, having a vision in which ways they can support that. It isn't leading them to have their kids be unrealistic. I guess I think it's the combination of supporting the power of a dream while at the same time and making sure their child knows that the unconditionally loved that. If they say, you know, most people are not going to get into the NFL, right? They're not going to love them any less that the journey itself is important. It's not just a destination. And the other thing is to have them not to get discouraged. Because especially when people succeed we kind of forget about the failures along the way, and I like to talk a lot about my failures. I like to talk a lot about my second book, which was rejected by thirty six publishers as opposed to my first book, which was commission, and I feel successful people need to do that. Because the truth is that as my mom. Is to say failure is not the opposite of success is stepping stone since. Yeah, you said it in an article your interview talking about how to in today's society success is determined by how much money or power you have or both. Right. A lot of the NFL guys that I work with come from generally single parent homes at ver very low income. So the hard part is they'll all of their idols everyone. They see they look up to drive's. Nice cars has nice things. And they strive I think two to one day be in that point where they have money where they have the the means to take care of their family by their mom and ice house. It's difficult because their motivation to get to the point they are today is driven by attainment of not just the dream of playing in the NFL. But what comes with that the money, right? How can we make that change with young kids that it's not all about power and money? That's that's not success. Right. How can we instill that at a young age to where we start we break that chain a little bit of money and power being the only way thank you so much for asking that question. I think it is the critic. One question of our time. So for me, they kissed redefine success. And that's what I wrote about in thrive to go beyond the two metrics of money and power slash status. The third metric which is again, the third leg of the stool for a complete life is wellbeing. First of all if you don't have your health. You don't have anything wisdom if you are not connected with your own wisdom. Your decisions are going to be impaired Wanda sense of wonder about the mystery of life and giving these are essential for a full life. And that's not to send against Monday success in traditionally defined by. There are not enough. I believe for found Louis that everyone of us as part of our birthright has a place of strength, wisdom and love in us. We all have it. We need to connect with it. And we're not going. To be able to connect with everybody lead our lives in a breathless way that leads to stress and Bernie. Thank you. This has been like a real privilege and honor for me. So I really appreciate you taking the time. Thank you. I loved it as well. Thank you. After talking to Arianna and hearing about her accident. I really want to emphasize the importance of recovery. When oriented took some time to evaluate her wellbeing to sleep to recover. She became so much, happier and more importantly, healthier. And I know Arianna wasn't talking to me about training when she told me that story, but the same rules apply to training constantly going going going does not yield success in order to see progress in our training. We need to take time to recover not every day at the gym should be slowed. Even if we think we can handle intense workout after intense workout. We can't our nervous system takes about forty eight hours on average to recover, and that's important. Because even if you don't physically feel the effects of the workout your body knows it's tired your body gets used to that state, and you can start to plateau so instead of working to crush every day every single workout it's more important to maximize recovery days. And even when I say recovery days, I do mean also active recovery days. So whether it's a dynamic warm-up getting on a bike for ten minutes yoga flexibility or stretching those count to. And really it's about listening to your body. So remember recovery isn't separate from training. It's a crucial part of it. Train is produced by Nike training club. Pro to join the premier network for fitness professionals everywhere, go to Nike dot com slash MTC. Pro the best of Nike exclusively for trainers. Next time. We'll hear from doctor. Rhonda, Patrick, a biochemist nutrition expert and founder of the found my fitness blog and podcast. She'll take us through today's latest diet trends and explain why some work and others. Don't see you guys. Consult your doctor before engaging in an exercise program of any kind, especially if you have a medical condition use good judgment and common sense about your own fitness level inability when engaging in a training program, if something doesn't feel right stop immediately and seek medical attention as necessary.

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Julia Alvarez (Rebroadcast)

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Julia Alvarez (Rebroadcast)

"Hey It's Andrew the director of Literary Arts Literary Arts. We rely on our community. People like you for support to help make this podcast and all our programming possible. Give today literary Dash Arts Dot. Org Forward. Slash donate. Welcome to the Archive Project I'm Andrew Procter Executive Director of Literary Arts. The project is a retrospective of some of the most engaging talks from the world's best writers for more than thirty five years of Literary Arts in Portland. Support for the archive project provided by Cole Haan Cole Haan shoes bags outerwear. Go with you while you work your way to extraordinary more Cole Haan Dot Com in this episode. We feature a talk by Julia Alvarez, which she gave as part of Portland Arts and lectures in two thousand, Fourteen for broadcasting this talk now, because Alvarez has just published her first adult novel in Fourteen Years Entitled Afterlife. The book is a major milestone in an important artists career. As the New York. Times noted in their glowing review quote having made her name on poignant coming of age stories Alvarez now seventy has turned her focus toward the disorienting transition into old age. As a storyteller Julia Alvarez has helped to give voice to generation of Teaneck immigrants, her first novel how the Garcia Girls Lost their accents, was published in Nineteen ninety-one and catapulted her to literary. Internationally in this talk. Alvarez takes us on our life's journey, which serves a critical story for so many who have lived through the second half of the twentieth century born in Nineteen fifty to a large family in the Dominican Republic. Alvarez's family was forced out when her father took part in a coup attempt on the dictator Rafael Trujillo. Alvarez emphasizes the importance of the story to empower the individual and also to maintain a sense of identity in a foreign country. Alvarez's humble and humorous talk ranges from revolutions to the school yard from the Civil Rights Movement to the importance of librarians with references to the work of writers as diverse as Tony Morrison Dave Eggers Grace Paley Spike. Lee. Here's Alvarez at the. District Concert Hall in two thousand fourteen. Thank you I've felt welcome since I stepped off that plane weary last night. HAPPY TO BE BACK IN PORTLAND AND I'm glad that maybe you aren't that it. It was raining. Because now I know that portlanders. Is that what they call you? Portlanders. That? They're not just complainers. It really does rain all the time at least once today. So it's wonderful, it is wonderful to be here and we came from Vermont where it's just been the most hard winter, so this feels Balmy, tropical. So. Mike talk today is about. Power of story. To change the world one imagination at a time. In the spring of Nineteen ninety-one when my first novel was published, how the Garcia girls lost their accents. I was sent on a book tour. I was surprised. You See. I started writing in those times where there was no such thing as a book tour. If fact, books were just beginning to half authors photos when I started writing. And it was a few more years before those author I. became, Glamor, shots. Erica John at the top from fear of flying without towel sold blonde hair, falling sexily over one eye mouth, parted open, prefiguring the models of Victoria's secret. Then John Irving. With sweaty muscles hair, dripping with sweat, looking like he just wrestled down his enormous bestseller, the world, according to Garp. And then even poets Galway canal will. Erica was a was a poet to Galway. Can now book of nightmares looking like he just come in from chopping wood to write a poem about it. And even! Raymond Carver, who we all thought of as this hulking bumbling guy from the hard drinking, hard scrabble world of his down, and out characters, looking like a seething guy on the make ready to pounce on you. But by the time Garcia girls came out we had authors photos. We had both tours and one of the mandatory stops was always Powell books at Portland Oregon. Thank you. I had never been to a department store of just books. The only comparison was when we arrived in New York City in nineteen, sixty from the Dominican Republic and my father took me to the New York Public Library the one of forty seconds street with the Lions and the grand steps leading up to the entrance. I had never been in a cathedral of books. That's the only comparison I could make my mind for such a grand structure. I wasn't yet a reader, but I was awed. Especially, when my bobby with typical exaggeration told me that this library had a copy of every book that it ever been written by and gone. I think he was confusing it with the library of Congress. Oh and just in case you think we were this intellectual reading family, and this was our first sight seeing stop in in whereby Dork our first outing had actually been to herald square with Mommy to see macy's the biggest store in the world. So anyhow. Here I. Am back in Portland Twenty three years, and over a dozen books later except I'm not good at math and I just learned that there. There are at least twenty. But here I am and instead of at the very beginning of my public writing career I'm now well somewhere towards the end to quote Diana at hills wonderful memoir about old age. These days I'm taking stock of what I've learned by practicing this craft over the course of a lifetime, and this is what we do at our age, we. We take stock. A lot has changed. And I hope I have grown and matured as a writer. But one thing hasn't changed is my faith in the power of stories. Looking back even before I came into English or became a reader or wanted to be a writer, stories were helping me find my way to the person I would become the writer who stands before you today. I grew up in the fifties and the dictatorship of through and the Dominican Republic. It was a nightmare world, a world of terror and monitoring and secret police, a world war people disappeared ideas were censored where owning books made. You suspect as an intellectual and a troublemaker. And here we have to change the mood the image of the dictator through Hiyo the dictator. Who Control Iron Control of the country, but one thing the dictator could not repress was the irrepressible need of the human creature for stories. Though every publishing, every media outlet television radio publishing was under the control of the dictator and his secret police. Still the stories came out through what people popularly called Raviol- Binga. Radio big mouth. Ours was not a literary culture, but an oral culture storytelling culture story stories, what a wealth of stories people told them all the time years later when I attended a graduate program in creative writing, I would realize that all that I was being taught about character and plot and timing and rhythm in lyricism and metaphor. I had learned in my homeland in many cases by people who could not read or write or had minimal book learning. It was an important discovery for me to make us a young writer. Spike Lee said in an interview that one of the great lessons in his life. was that you can learn things from people who are dumber than you. Are Really you think they're dumber than you. So as I said, I was not a reader. I was. A terrible student flunked every grade through fifth grade. My real education happened when I got home from school, and reentered my large colorful complex, diverse, extended, familiar, full of characters full of storytellers. You've worth saying that it takes a village to raise a child. My extended family amounted to a small village. My father's family My father was the youngest of twenty five kids. The. First wife had ten kids, and then she died amazingly not in childbirth. And then the second wife had fifteen kids, and my father was the youngest of those fifteen, so here is the obligatory Sunday family gathering with a bit. said it in the center with a little black. Hair ban and This was before the time of Telephoto Lens so when the photographer would come every once in a while the little guy that put the Black Cape over his head. He that he he arranged people took a photo. Then another group came, took a photo and they up cobbling them together to get the whole family. So you can imagine how many storytellers we had. Only once. Can I remember falling captive to a book? Not Adul- censored dictatorship school book. But one my aunt gave me, and it was call the Arabian Nights I read and reread pouring over the captivating pictures instead of the usual. Pale lawn blue, eyed princesses, the cover showed a girl with dark eyes and dark hair, a girl who have been Dominican. This, Girl Sheherazade, lifting a kingdom ruled by cruel Sultan. Every night the sultan had a girl brought him, and by dawn she would be killed a practice, not unlike our dictator five the way, but not that I knew that back then. But the night before her own beheading sheherazade that was the girl's name, began telling the Sultan Stories sinbad-the-sailor Alibaba and the forty thieves Aladdin magic lamp. She had spent years reading in her father's library. Learning the art of storytelling why apprenticeship is important is so. She knew how to work the story so that at dawn the time for execution, she'd be at a cliff-hanging moment. And Thrall D-. The Sultan would spare her one more night in order to hear the ending of the story. The clever sheherazade would finish that story and then start a whole new story and be at another cliff-hanging moment when the sun came up night after night after night, over the course of one thousand and One Nights, and what happened, the sultan fell in love with Sheherazade, and this love healed is hard. He repented his evil ways. Sheherazade had saved not only yourself, but the sultan, and also all the women in our kingdom. This was a really important story for me to read it. Put in my head a little piece of luminous information. The stories have power. They can transform US and save us. When I was ten years old, my family was forced to flee the country because of my father's involvement in a plot against the dictator, we had to leave everything behind our language. Our homeland, our our our media, but I brought the large expanse of liberating story of Sheherazade in my head. We landed in new. York, city August. Nine, thousand, nine, hundred sixty and lady liberty that Bobbie told us about would welcome us the home of the brave and the land of the free. She even had a poem on honor pedestal which. Later I came to really appreciate. August one, thousand, nine, hundred sixty, the civil rights movement, was just getting underway Latino Literature, multicultural literature bilingual education were unheard of. In the playground, a group of bullies that you heard about Andrew Dole you Taunton my accent call names told me to go back to where I come from. Back, by father would be killed, we might be killed. We had escaped a horrible dictatorship to the land of the free and the home of the brave, but I did not find this new country, a very welcoming place I felt homesick and lost and scared in this new culture and language, so this is Lady Liberty not very happy with her Americans. Take this picture sometimes when I talked to. Two young kids middle school kids high school kids talking about where does. This prejudice. This ushering. How does it happen and I show this picture because of the generations you look at the little girl. She's got a really open sweet face. She's just in a Halloween costume. She doesn't know to. Leave people out and already a few years older older brother, look at his pose in his snarl, and how arms crossed. And where did he get that look at GRANDPA? Same face, same posture, so we learn the stuff and. Sometimes it just comes to us and. You know. How do we escape it? But I instead of falling apart I landed I touch ground in the place I had been searching for what happened was a wonderful sixth grade teacher. A list of books she sent me to the library. A Librarian helped me I checked out the books and took them home and read them. I brought them back and checked out some more I was becoming a reader New York nineteen sixty s sixth grade teacher, a library librarian. They put books in my hands. WHAT AN AMAZING WORLD! This was! What freedom came with reading? You could go back. Back to olden times you could go to whole new a whole other country. You could go to the future. What's more? The world of books was a truly welcoming place. No warnings posted on the cover, not for Spics, not for blacks, not for girls. Everyone was welcome. Come on in. My favorite writers seem to be saying they don't want you there. Come on in and year they are. Yeah. There's Jane Austen George Eliot Emily Dickenson favorites as I became a reader in high school and college, and it really did feel like there was this place I could go to entered. I found a portable homeland. The table set for all I've found what we had come looking for. In the United States of America between the covers of books, the grand democracy of the world of the amid magic nation where everyone was welcome. My sixth grade teacher not only encouraged by reading. She told me to write down all those little stories. I was telling the aunts and uncles Diaz in Theo's boy and girl cousins. primos I was missing so much. Write them all down your personal. Deal, better seal with his long scraggly beard, and is one glass I spent the night in a glass of water and his extra six finger. It was just a joint, but He told. Does it have been cut off, so he could be normal. Right him down all. And their stories of see Guavas a tribe of beautiful women who only came out at night to hunt for food, and no one could ever track them down because they had a secret, their feet were on backwards, so their footprints were always in the opposite direction of where they come from. Write them down that taste of Guavas, the smell of the ocean, the feel of the tropical sun, like a warm blessing on my head right down, I did I wrote down my little stories and everything I had lost came back. Not only that the world around me changed as well when my teacher read my stories out loud to the whole class, those very same bully-boys who had spitted me and thrown stones in the playground, and called me Spic, and told me to go back to where I come from turned around to look at me. Not that they got nicer, but for a moment they actually saw me as real. Nothing human was alien to them. Not even a little brown hair deeply tanned skinny Hispanic girl with a heavy accent. It was my own personal sheherazade moment and I was ready for it. Because that earlier story had planted the seed of possibility in me, the imagination can save you. Some of the students today at noon asked me well. What would have been what have been the special moments of your life as rider? How do you measure your success and I said well it steadily for a rider to be doing that because each book you have to learn how to write that book beginner's mine, but there are moments that are really special, and this happened in New, York City. My aunt, who still lives there and went to the public. Library and it was a nice spring day, so she went down. Poets Walk to Walk Behind The New York. Public Library and they have coats by Whitman and they have spy Emily Dickinson. and Lo and behold, she got to one of them, and it was duly Alvarez and it was my birth year, so this was. Why can't say she even has a cell phone now, but there were any cell phone she ran and got a disposable camera from the drugstore, took a picture and sent it to me, so that I finally was on that poets walk where I never thought I would ever be on the shelf phenomenal so on the sidewalk, and it's really a money saver because as I told my husband I don't want. A gravestone. I don't want to be buried. You burn me. You keep some of those ashes, and then you go down to the poet's walk in just. There's vents there, so we don't have to pollute. So that's a personal example of the power of story. But a story can also enter the bloodstream of imagination. Of a people of a culture of a country of the world and change history. Take the example of the three meet our sisters from the Dominican Republic who their husbands started and underground movement against the three dictatorship. Bosnia, Minerva and Maria Teresa. Known by their codename of last muddy paws butterflies. And their driver Rufino were brutally killed by the dictator on November twenty fifth thousand nine sixty. But the story spread. People who have been paralyzed, they heard it through the Obama I people who have been paralyzed Dominicans by terror began to join the movement six months later through he yo was assassinated signaling the end of a thirty one year dictatorship. Many many you can imagine in thirty one years. Many many horrors have been perpetrated in that time, but the story of this brutal murder of three young women and their courage transformed and mobilized an oppressed nation. And it didn't stop at our borders. The story of the butterflies went on to inspire and international movement in Nineteen Ninety nine. The United Nations declared the day of their murder International Day for the elimination of violence against women. and. The declaration there three young women who thought they were just working towards the liberation of one small half island have become international symbols of freedom for women and men everywhere. And I have yes. Some some is just moving and I, just picked six of them. Of, This Day being commemorated in different parts of the world, this is November twenty, fifth and India. Here in Afghanistan. In Romania with the names of women that have died. Due to violence and candles in front of them. In Spain. Girls Marching in Thailand. And this last one embiid who. So. Yes I believe in the power of story to transform the world. But I should add that the changes stories bring about are often so slight that often we ourselves are unaware that we come out of a great work of literature as a different person than when we began reading a character, a situation are charged line of Poetry stertorous deeply. No territory taken that we can see no elections one. No sweeping legislation passed and yet the huge movements that changed the world begin with these small movements of the heart. As one of my favorite Haiku by ISA, the Japanese, Haiku rider describe sent I look into. The dragon flies, I and I see the mountains over my shoulder. We look into the dragon flies I and we see the mountains over our shoulders. We read we listen to a story. and. We become someone else a simple and incredible as that. Terrance the Roman slave in playwright who freed himself with his writings once-proud. I am a human being nothing. Human is alien to me. That could be the motto of Literature. Nothing human is alien to the pen of a novice, and when we and when we write, nothing human is alien to us either. Reading, we enter deeply into the lives of the others we exercise the muscles of the imagination, which are also the muscles of compassion and understanding we make meaning we did ourselves into community by sharing the experience of being a human being. We find our way home to the deep sources that can sustain us as individuals and as a human family. Now, I love it when I have an article of faith that I find confirmed and affirmed in ancient wisdom. And Bruce Chat wins. The song lines. He tells one of my favorite stories about storytelling. It turns out the fifteen thousand years ago. There were tribes. Maybe you know about them. Who lived in the North West Coast of America half on the islands and half on the mainland. They would travel over the sea and navigate their canoes up the current from California to the Bering Strait which they called Clinton Auto. The navigators were priestesses the words of this old woman. Represents a tradition. Fifteen thousand years old, and this is from Bruce. Chapman's song lines. The all woman. Telling the story about those priestesses. Do about the movement of the see was pre served in the verses of a song for thousands of years we went where we wanted, and we came home safe. Because of the song on clear nights we have the stars to guide us. And in the fog we have the streams and creeks of the C- The streams and creeks that flow into and become clin auto. There was a song for going to China in a song for going to Japan a song for the Big Island and a song for the smaller one. All she had to know was the song as she knew where she was to back. She just sang the song and reverse. Through songs and stories, these priestesses kept important knowledge alive. They helped try to navigate their way safely home. Fifteen thousand years later it's still works are stories help us navigate our way back home to the circle of our shared humanity. I'm more and more convinced that a storytellers we have an important role to play in bringing about the changes that moss tap, and if we're going to survive as a human family on the small planet of diminishing resources. I admit. I, often feel helpless before the urgency and hugeness of the challenges before us I sympathize with Stanley Kyun, it's a little piece. He wrote reflections. Would be published at the age of ninety five. He said in this little reflection. He says sometimes I feel ashamed that I've written so few palm. Some political themes on the causes that agitate me, but then I remind myself that to choose to live as a poet or storyteller in the modern superstate is in itself a Political Act. To choose to live. twos to live outside that confining box of status quo to live impossibility as emily put it Emily Dickinson is a political act and has its own reward. You get to have its own personal reward. As well as bigger ones. You get to have a soul. But it's not enough to just save yours Tony Morrison. Remind says that the function of freedom is to free someone else. And the change that has to happen begins with the way. PEOP-. Transforming the way people see the WORL-. It is the story tellers job these days to change the imagination of change. So. That's what concerns me these days as a storyteller with all that I've learned after four decades of practicing calling what kinds of stories can I tell? That might help us navigate our way back towards springs where we can find the deep waters in nourish ourselves as a human family. My latest book and I'll just tell you a little bit about it, and then we'll have. A wedding in Haiti the story of a friendship. is a non fiction attempt. To look in the Dragon Flies I and address the mountains over my shoulder. What are those mountains? The huge difficult turbulent history between two little countries on the same small island of Hispaniola Haiti and the Dominican Republic. The most most brutal in the recent history is nineteen thirty seven. The murder, the massacre of twenty thousand Haitians, by the dictator's soldiers who were living on the Dominican side of the border. It's a shameful genocide, and maybe some of you know of it from each Dante Qods. Wonderful powerful novel the farming of the bones. But it's a shameful genocide. Little known about never properly addressed a redressed by the Dominican, government or the international community, a mentality of enmity which continues to this day, so it's a huge mountainous. How to address it. Shame Messina's wonderful poem where he says in one of the stances. History says don't hope on this side of the grave. But then once in a lifetime, the tidal wave of justice can rise up and hope and history rhyme and hope and history rhyme. So, what if we step outside? What history says and tell a new story that is really an old story of our. We are part of a human family together. What happens when you form a friendship with the enemy when you step outside Your Comfort Zone and your cultural paradigm and keep a promise. So this is what this book is about an unlikely friendship with. Myself and a young patient, bt, who like many Haitians in desperate straits, crossed the border illegally to work in the Dominican Republic. He ended up at Al Tag Rossiya the project that my husband Bill, Lichner, and I started in the mountains of the Dominican Republic. And there's bt he's. been cut off, but he's the one on the far right and why they have the guitar says that. In the project, it was wonderful. Because since I'm at Middlebury College, my students would take many of them there alternative break trips to the farm and do projects there and one of them. A music major broader guitar left at these are young men that don't know how to read a ride, but they learned how to play the guitar. We brought a second guitar then like young people all over the world. They started a band. So. They're they are playing it out. And interest of speeding this along I won't do this sound clip, but here they are so. One night bt. He came as A. Boy, a young man to work to help his family I saw him at say he looked sad homesick. As I. Thought I'm going to brighten up his night. And why? What does this storyteller do? She tells a story, so I said bt, you know. I can I can see the future? And I see you married to this beautiful Haitian girl. You have a family I went on to paint this beautiful picture. He just looked at me like I was crazy. What was he gonNa meet a Nice Asian girl in an all male workgroup in on a mountain in the Dominican Republic. I said no, no, no pity you don't understand. This is really gonNA happen. And I am going to be the Godmother of the wedding I will be there. So. Big You make an expansive gesture. You tell a story. What happens eight years later in Vermont? We get a phone call trumpy thing marina. I'm getting married in a week in Haiti. Are you coming? So you see stories can also get you into trouble. But we made it. And the story tells of all the illegalities and the things that we did to get there on time. With the clock. Ticking away and only twenty four hours to make it across Haiti. We thought it was a cathedral across the border no way. So! With such huge problems to address why write a story about one Haitian and one Dominican, because I've listened to Sheherazade to the priestesses navigating. The Clinton Auto I know that the way to transform the heart and the mind, and the soul is through story I know that if you look in the dragonflies, I and see the mountains, you can see the mountains over your shoulder that hope and history can rhyme. This is an important time for a storytellers whether the world acknowledges that or not we have to awaken new possibilities in ourselves, and in our readers, and in our communities. It's our task storytellers to write the world. Are I. H t one friendship, one reader one imagination at a time. And just a couple more. This is something that came about you. Know the the live, my my. Heroes I presently are the those writers that also are activists. Young example Dave Eggers. Example more. Someone that I looked up to so much grace Paley, and this happened Yup good brace. She be here with doing gum in her little tennis shoes barely reaching the podium. Wonderful Grace. This happened. After, winning in Haiti a group of us of the Diaspora decided that we commemorate the seventy fifth anniversary of the Heysham massacre, and we massed at the border and we call ourselves. We do this now. Every year border lights and we go on the border. We read poems we sing. We tell stories and it's amazing. Started with a Core Group of twenty and soon we have the whole village before us. This is on the Dominican side of the border. And the most thrilling thing was when we saw lights, coming down the hills on the Haitian side and little answering lights, and they put these floating lanterns on the river, so we're doing it again. October four to six year old invited to the border of the Dominican Republic and Haiti and finally. This he and his beautiful wife, and the kid, just like I said right. And now you know Pitino's a whole book about him and people say pathy. How does that feel a whole book about you and he says? He's not a reader. Says he's not that excited. He doesn't seem that excited what he's really excited. About is how bill my husband staged me with with BTV, because bill says hey, you can write a novel. I could produce a CD so where the help of my stepdaughter who designed the cover. She's an artist. and CD Baby Online. They record it bt and his brothers. You'll hear them and is leaner. WHO's now part of the ban and so we're going to go out with just a few. Seconds of you hearing him. Play his CD and you can order it on CD baby by the way. And the full ten dollars goes to him. He's very happy about this so. Take it. Better cut it. Oh! Thank you. All right, so you can get your questions on cards and hand of the I've got questions, so we'll start with those and then take your questions as soon as they arrive question here in your opinion, what makes a good writer Oh, my goodness, we started with an easy one. Gets much worse later. Well. That is really tough. I mean finally. It's really what makes a good book because I think. It's not just about the writer. And You know. You can have a writer that writes a book and maybe. The next one or the next few or never ride again that way I think it's I think the focus is more the good book. For me and I think the. Good book is one that. Well changes my changes, my perception. Transforms me. And I think a writer. A good writer to me is one that is willing to do that work and to sit down and have the discipline of doing that. And I think the best riders disappear. And what you have is the text, and of course we feel like we want to touch the writer. We want to get to know the writer, but it is the tax. So I think a writer. The does the work. And also talk about currently. The writers that I'm admiring are also writers that are really connected to community and WANNA be agents of of the real necessary change has to happen and in a variety of ways. It doesn't have to be that out there propagandizing. Or anything like that, but they're. Able to. Through their storytelling, transform the way people are thinking. That was a hard question. What are some of the difficulties you face when you right? It's hard work, and as I said you can't. Just because you wrote a book that worked last time you've got. You've got to forget all that. You've got to start over beginner's mind. I really do believe that it helps over the course of a lifetime of practicing that you've built up a craft. But you've got to learn how to write the book before you and that's tough. Because there is no recipe and I know people, there isn't a way to say. This is the way to do it because riders are so different, but for me disciplined. Showing up is a basic thing I'm. Many times I'm not inspired many times I. Throw things away, but. If I hadn't shown up by wouldn't have kept that agility with the language going and at the end of the day. You should be able to tell the paragraph that took me. Two weeks to write from the paragraph that came like a dream but I know the difference, but you show up and I make the comparison a lot, too with my students to a dancer that if you're a dancer, and you don't do your exercises for two weeks, and then you get inspired and go out because your piece of music to dance. You're going sprain something. And the same thing of keeping the agility, even if you're just writing in a journal, even if you're writing a blog, carver, you doing to keep that. That limber so that you're ready for the moment when inspiration hits. With the instrument that is all that craft to be able to execute it. What is your favorite guilty pleasure when you're writing and editing a novel? My favorite guilty pleasure. Who asked me that? I've got to put that in my writing day. Maybe I don't take. I mean I take lots of little pleasurable things, but guilty pleasure. I don't know you know. I guess I do have one were. If things aren't going well, I'll pull out a good. Book to read. And my husband says did you have a good day I think he I finished that novel. I Read I've Read I don't know twenty pages of Jack Gilbert my new favorite You know, so, I don't know that's lying. Makes me. Feel guilty because I don't have anything to over myself, but who cares. About me, only you know, it's about these wonderful storytellers and poets. What is something surprising? You have discovered in your journey of being an author. Oh my goodness. There's so many surprises I mean. We were talking about this Sydney and I in the bag fed. You know she was saying well, you know. I sometimes I don't know what I think unless I write it down I. write a poem and I thought yeah, right so I think often i. mean people do it differently, but the way that I make meaning and understand reality is through creating these word things, and so I'm full of surprises all the time in fact you know. You go back to the first question that I felt like I was floundering and. I think I think one way to tell a good writer is if you keep surprising yourself frost, said no surprise for the writer, no surprise for the reader they you got to be the juice of. It is that you're constantly? Learning things that you didn't know you knew. Through the through the process of writing, so I think I've really. Just constantly. been surprising myself. As a writer. What obstacles have you encountered being a Latino writer? And how have you overcome them? Well when I started writing, there was no such thing as Latino writing. You heard there was no such thing as bilingual education multicultural studies. We didn't have women's studies back then. Afro American Studies started to come in when I was in college, but not in the connaught, not in the Canon. Every once in a while, some cool teacher would bring in. African American poet Langston Hughes whatever, but there was. It didn't exist. So I think the first real. Barrier that I encountered was internal. Did even though I really everything I was reading. was saying that writing is about being a human being. I didn't see anybody on the shelf that the books that had people like me in it, or were written by people like me so internally. I didn't really believe I didn't really believe that it could be done. That was a big surprise that I could do it. That was a big surprise to learn that I could be a writer and I I. Mean Garcia Girls wasn't published until I was forty one, so I had already spent about twenty twenty five years writing with no success. I mean it was. What we wrote about as Latino Authors was considered sociology, not really part of American literature, and then came the big opening. Many of US Latina writers talk about. The first big. Sort of green light that we got was maxine Hong Kingston publishing the Woman Warrior that Amazing Book and we read it and we thought this about a Chinese-american. Sacramento could as well be a Dominican in whereby your or Mexican American Gago some of the same issues, and it was beautiful, and it was so well received, and I think in the eighties began the opening of the cannon, and you know it's been remarkable during my lifetime to see it open as much as it has, but there's still a lot of challenges out there. For riders, I mean American literature now is flush with them en- vibrant with. Don't follow here. He do know Diaz had reached onto, Khan. Duly Awed Soka I. Don't Know How many of you have red. Buddha in the attic. My last novel that I read. A real favorite, so it's still is changing system and it, but I've seen. It happened during the course of my own writing life. Of this questions from Roxie as an immigrant I feel like I'm neither here, nor there whereas home for you. Why I think I talked about it a little bit with being a writer, it's the world of the imagination. We're just really blueprint. Blueprint Inc. we no longer use a blueprint for for you know how to be as a human family, but that's really we're been able to bring the world's together and integrate them in a way that because I live in Vermont and I call it the Latino compromise state. Of Vermont, there aren't that many Latinos there and then I go to the DR and. The other world it's either or the pay per the writing where I've been able to integrate it. But the older I get I just think that. That duality or that complexity of all we, all of who we all are is key I. Tell my students at Middlebury that are. So the Latino Association, because they complain about being in the Latino compromise state of Vermont for four years, I say. Constantly feeling like they have to explain themselves, they have to represent who they are and I say you are the bridge people you're connecting. You know two cultures through your being, and we're critical people. You're creating that little web. That's happening, so I think The thing that I was taught. That was really in error was that I had to choose that it was either, or it's not either, or it's both and more. Thank you? Julia Alvarez from Portland lectures in two thousand fourteen. This has been literary arts. The archive project it's a retrospective of some of the most engaging talks from the world's best writers for more than thirty five years of Literary Arts in Portland Join US next time for the archive project, a literary arts production in collaboration with Oregon Public Broadcasting. To hear from the archive project, subscribe wherever you your podcasts support for the archive project. It provided by Cole Haan on a mission to feel your big ideas more at Cole Dot Com. Our show is produced by crystal Liguori for radio and podcast special thanks to the literary, Arts Staff, Board and community. This show would not be possible without them. 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Cosplay Confidential  Episode 100 The Triumphant Return!

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Cosplay Confidential Episode 100 The Triumphant Return!

"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT. Visit www dot I'd passing troy dot Com for more information. Welcome back to Catholic confidential I'm your host Kiki and I'm your co host Sean and it has been a minute. Just rising from the depths here we are from which layer of hell though because I think that makes a difference. whatever layer of how the debates was last night but we're going to skip talking about that. Yes. Says this is not a political podcast. Mostly. Welcome back everybody we missed you would spend if my dates right. It's been a little over six months since we recorded the last batch of episodes i. think it's good timing that we're coming back on this one because it's episode one hundred. Yes. Here's the thing about numbering episodes. When we first started costly confidential back in the olden days of two thousand eighteen. We thought that. Skipping numbering episodes or making them point five or whatever When they were live. We thought that was okay because we wouldn't be doing it very often. That was inaccurate. So, we have over one hundred episodes. In the CAN and released but. We've never had a one that was specifically labeled episode one hundred. So that is today's episode episode one, hundred, reunion abuse. Don't call it that they're gonna be expecting Tori and will neither of which are here Why would you do that? I. So yeah, we're. We're starting at episode one hundred just to give a little. Reese reboot and restart and Refresh, all the all the good res and. Yeah. So from here on out, it's going to be one hundred, one. Oh, one, eight. Sarah. You know how to cow that's numbers work. Sean you don't have to look at me and not at me. So patronisingly just. Wasn't a patronizing not it was just like, yes I'm not in because that is how we're GonNa do the numbers going forward that was. Not a all right so. You know for obvious reasons. Okay. Fort for anyone who might be discovering us in time capsule a little thing. Called pandemic happened and then. We here at podcast at a play confidential kind of spiraled into depression. And on Weei and just existential dread in general and. Could not. Get, our shit together emotionally and everything enough. We were just were not a place where we felt like it was a good idea to record. It was one of those things to where we sort of thought. At a few. Few different moments throughout the past six and a half months. We thought about doing zoom episode in like late April. We thought about one I think in late June or July point. But the more we thought about it the more it just felt lake you know everyone is on zoom everyone is doing zoom something like zoom fatigue I think has been a really major recurring theme for everybody the past few months. So we just decided just to kind of take time off just to. Let us have a break from that first and foremost between between online schooling between myself working from home and being on zoom all the time. So we just decided to just let it go for a minute and wait until we could get back into the studio which we now are what it could spin there sean thinking. I'm the PR guy I would hope that I know how to spend but. That's job sharply. So yeah. So what's everybody been doing for them? What have you been doing for the last six months? Will at one point I started playing some animal career for a bit and then all of a sudden it was like mid July. but no in all seriousness, I spent a lot of the past six and a half months just kind of hunker down between work spending time with very intimate kind of like section of people that I knew felt safe in the I. Knew we were all taking the pandemic seriously and things like that lots of working from home lots of trying to do what I can to enjoy the outdoors if and when I can not a lot of cost play in their I've done some more self shot content I believe in. I want to say early to mid June by a big like. Background frame type things I've been able to use that more for my shots so that they look whiter than just like me pending a black blanket to my wall and using that as a backdrop. So I've been able to do that and I've experimented with that a bit my first shoot and about seven months is hopefully happening this weekend. So that will be exciting to get some more content because I feel like I've been able to keep kind of a semi regular stream of content up until about a few weeks ago when I really just kind of like. Stopped just because like I do have some content but also just like it's getting to a point where like being able to regularly keep up a social media presence when it comes to play is starting to become kind of a drag especially of constant happened for another. Year from now. Yeah and four. For me personally it was. I. I basically left instagram and like abandoned micheals page and everything and. You know I'll check it every once in awhile but I will. I'm starting to want to go back to it because I'm just. I'm remembering all these great times I've had with shoots and with friends and with Creating 'cause plays and now is the time of year where I would be working on. You'll Mukasey play and I I missed that a lot and so. It's nice to feel. Inspired to want to get back to it. Excuse me and getting back to doing the PODCAST is definitely A. It's definitely spurring me to want to create more content and you know talking to. Okay. This is this is this is the corny moment and you're gonna like it the Corny. Corner. corny corner. Talking to Qasr players inspires me to do better with 'cause play and be better. So I'm really excited to be talking to more of you and to be checking in with more of you and see how you've been doing 'cause play because then it will also inspire me and. Sorry. I just had to throw up was according to much corn. I just threw it all up rate in the corny corner corner. Right? There Griss. But no, it's true So, Sean. I know you did shoot some. you did some self shot content. I know you got a new, you started working on a new cars play. Like. 'cause tested one yeah a month ago about a month ago I did a gender bend version of Ego from Kim possible which was really interesting 'cause like those characters that I had. Always been interested in trying to attempt in some form I never really knew what that was and then one day like really early August I. Think it was just like you know what? I'M GONNA gender. So I just always bent it and it was fun. So I had I, got some shelf shelf self content up of that I did a few self shoots over the summer with I did with peers I think did a few other pokemon ones for like the series I did Some more peers There was one more that I did that I'm blanking on the or I think I did. Maybe I didn't. I. Think I missed remembering it was a lot of POK MON to to summarize and it will be more pokemon this weekend as well. So. That's what I've been up. Wise. Cool I have a couple of costly ideas that are wiggling around in my brain number one being I want to. If I were going to yoga this year, one thing that I wanted to do is do a A snuggles 'cause play from black Friday stark black Friday be one of the one of the singles at the beginning of the show. That's singing all about Wigley and how great he is because I just thought it'd be fine. Then I could get like a couple of other people's do with me and be time because we had a great time with our guy who didn't like musicals group last year on. Thursday of Yama. And it was it was fun. We like maybe seven people recognize but they were all super excited and yes. So I want to do something fun and easy like that And I did just order my own tickle me Whitley so that'll be coming in the I. preordered it because a few preorder them by the time you're listening to. The preorder time will be over. So you might not be able to get one, but I ordered my own taking me weekly and that should be shipping. It'll be arriving either in December January. So it might not be in time for Christmas. Saw For all the kids to tickle to rub his belly. Well but that's okay. If David here, you would say phrasing. Yeah. And then I show him to call me Wigley and he'd be like what the hell. So. So that's an option I back in like May I purchased a I purchased a costume from like hot topic and it's a decent quality one to and it's an I dream of Jeannie cast room and 'cause I really WanNa do I dream of Pammy. So that might be Pam Halloween costume this year because a couple years ago I did pam a Pam Kubi from. Archer, for those of you who for those of you who are new to the show. One of my most. Frequent cause place was Pam who've is. Stam it. is slash Waspam cuvee from archer And so yeah, I'M GONNA DO I dream of Pammy and if anybody else does it before me a fucking kill them because that was my idea sorry I just had to say that but yeah so I'm. I have an idea for that shoot that I want to do and I'm really excited and I'm hoping that we can do that soon but we'll see what happens with photographer availability and if nothing else, I'll at least maybe it takes them takes himself as and take some with your setup. So, Yeah I. Everybody's I. Felt like there was all this pressure to like Oh you have all of this time. Now at home, you should be learning a new skill. You should be cleaning your apartment you should be getting your life together but frankly, and even now we're still at a point where this is a. Globally. Traumatizing events and everybody just needs to be a little bit easier on themselves and sometimes. The. Best you can do is just live through the day and that's okay and that's what I had to accept because I went into his sort of depression spiral of I am. I'm functioning in that I'm completing work for teaching music online to children of all ages throughout the spring, and then I playing video games and crying. And that was pretty much how life was for a while and I felt really guilty about it and then I felt worse and I cried more and less, and then I felt worse about not getting things done then and it just kept going So I've I've been digging myself out of that for the past handful of months and that's been hard but good so. Yeah I'm really looking forward to try and sue. Incorporate play into my life right now. and. Hopefully Halloween will be a great sort of release for that. So. We're GONNA. Re we posted a comment on a post on facebook today for the first time in. Half a year now. And several people responded, and we just ask people to share answers to some of the following crump's and. So the prompts were What is one oddly specific thing you miss about cons tell us about a 'cause play skill you picked up during the quarantine. How have you been staving off the existential dread asking for a friend? And tell us about your Halloween 'cause plans. It's kind of a joke because we all know 'cause players don't even really about Halloween and we stay off to the last minute and what's Holloway? Every day is Halloween when you're a cost player, Sean, it's magic. So I know once again, Chris. That goes into the corner corner. According. Okay So Sean, why don't you share some of your favorite sponsors of course? Yeah. So I think if we want to go just like prompt by prompt I think I think one of the biggest themes like the intricate activity of. Costly play and being at Cons General are Jessica noted that Mrs Group plays because it's so nice to be able to share progress on a project that about your friends are doing which I think a lot of people would relate to for sure I mean you yourself had mentioned that we had done the group Cosmi last year for guy who didn't like. I was in a big pokemon group the Saturday of Katsu kind like three weeks before the pandemic had like really like like shut the country down One of those things really just being able to share that outside of like social media I think is something that a lot of people mess for sure. I think. One of my favorite, very specific ones because there were a lot of great ones that had to do with missing people and like you said, the interconnectivity and this has to do with that but I think Ren from a butterfly wings photography said I miss sitting on the floor drunk and making we're dice games with my friends and complementing other people's 'cause plays as they walk by Yeah? And I have to say hard agree on that one and it relates to the connectivity because one of the best things one of the most affirming things that I I, love doing it cons just walking around and realizing it's okay to just randomly compliment someone's house play you you know either ask complimenting in taking a picture we're just commenting them and saying, Hey, I don't know who you're playing or maybe I do but you're cosby's Rad and you can tell you worked really hard on a great job and it's It's it's a win win. Yeah everybody involved. Yeah. You feel good because you're you know making somebody else happy him. They feel good because he made him happy excludes quick one offs that really are just confidence boosters that I think people have been lacking for a minute just without cons in general. Yeah. I remember seeing post that inspired me to ask that question There was a mean that's been going around the Catholic community of like people missing that like nine am at the continental breakfast where like one of your party members is like half in 'cause play and you're like sneaking back food to the rooms and one of your other caused remains, and then the other half are the people in the Sarim that are being snuck muffins that. Mak correct phrasing. But that's okay. I thought you were going to say the other half of the people at the continental breakfast are people who are just staying at the hotel didn't ask for any of this. I Miss, I miss Friday's of on where you're just running into all the business people they're. Just watching them be it's also funnier depending on which costlier wearing at the time I. Think one of the funniest was last year when we were doing mysterious and on on that Friday morning I'm trying to think of other examples of just that. Dynamic but on the subject of continental breakfast at Kearns, another response that I liked to that I prompt was From a commentary named amber likes the Sunday. Mornings at the hotel likening it to the to the sweet sweet afterglow and I think accurate I relate to that I think for me there's more. There's I think partial better like a bitterness of like, oh man. The COD is like over now almost and also there's the. Man I think I drink too much last night. It was or I drank too much last four days or yeah. You know I haven't slept. It's the culmination of those four days of like okay. This is this is the day where I have to stop. I have to reset my body so that I can work in the morning or if you're smart worked two days from now because you took the day after the con- off like a smart person which after i. After I left school, I had to start doing. which I'm both proud of myself for being able to do by at the same time It makes me feel like more like physically like not able to keep up. Yeah. But also maybe just for four days in a row, like isn't a good idea in general who knows I don't know. That's. Up for debate. The jury's out on. Out. I think to wrap up that I prompt of the specific things you miss about cons Autumn from Space Princess 'cause play says oddly enough. I missed the orange body. Paint. Frequently with Star Fire. So yeah, I think Sean How would you answer that? Oddly specific thing you miss about conventions in oddly specific thing I. Miss About Conventions. I think it's having all of my like. Make up materials at cereals and things like that and just random things thrown by like the bathroom like hotel configuration in these like that because it's the slow process of just like. That with like your cotton swabs, all of your makeup if you have like a drink and you leave it there and just like seeing that build up slowly over the weekend and then you have to clean it all up. That's Some people miss. You know social aspects. I, Miss Making a mess. Trucks. I think the thing that I miss the oddly specific thing that I miss it is. I guess for me it's not odd but it's inhabiting Pam. I do I really miss that because I almost always brought a pam convention for the last two and half years three years I think there were. Almost no convention that I didn't bring Pam to but I I brought him to almost every convention and just the freedom of inhabiting Pam and just. Getting to be that character and act like however the hell I wanted like in that character. You can. It's freeing. You've yeah. I can say things I can tell ranchos to fuck off and flip them off and they'll be like this boots up Pam. act like. Like leave the. Dick nuts suck it and they just like laugh and walk away great Dave seen me do it someone was taking a picture without permission and I was like They were like Oba. Yes so. I flipped off a really I remember specifically one time at Yoma Con. There was a really kind of Dushi. All might cause player who is walking around and I just flipped him off and he was like. Pam and asked like Nice I got away with that. So He He Acknowledged my power anyways. So I missed that and I also miss I weirdly missed that there was one. My first weekend as Pam ever at motorcity. Comic Con. was the first time but not the last that I experienced going entire afternoon at. Akon. Only. Subsiding on cough drops and whipped cream and maybe some water. And I weirdly miss that sort of like sugar rush sugar rushing around the day, and then you actually like eat like. A cookbook worst food right raving but it's just tastes so amazing. So yeah. So I, must that Ya it's nice when you have like the one cost play like. I don't WanNa say crutch because I think. weirdly negative kind of sation. But like when you have that one 'cause play like Hook that you keep coming back to you and being able to inhabit I, think for me. It's like I have a couple but I don't like like super strong one like Y-, you do So so that's that Super Nice and I I definitely understand. I. Mobile APP I understand missing that for sure. Let's see. Let's look at the second prompt the second prompt was. Tell us about a 'cause play skill that you picked up during the quarantine. Sean do you have one that you'd like to share with us from the list? I am taking a quick look through. This is a good one. I'm Carina shared that she that they cause I don't know but they finally broke down and bought a sewing machine and diving into learning to properly. So rather than shoddily cobbled together hand stitching and glue okay now. There's nothing wrong with shoddily Hanson Ching gluing. But. No that's awesome. Yeah. Really Great. Sean has a sewing machine that got him for Christmas. No got him for his birthday. Neither of US has learned how to sew with at. Night yet, to be fair, the timing was poor since we've had little opportunity, I think to make something good. My hope is that that will change if I make something just to make something. Yeah. One response that I did like from the comments from Gabby How to make their own bias tape, which is super. Bowl is biased. Tape is very. Thin and Finicky, and it's tough to lake maneuver with sometimes when it comes to sewing as detailing onto Lake Abass outfit. So being able to make it, yourself is definitely no small task. That's awesome. Yeah. Just Stephen has been working on making decals with cricket and has improved her sewing skills crooked as I've seen a couple of people like got a crooked during the quarantine million that that's cool. Off Queenie. Queen of the suck you by her she still a Master Glue Gunner Yes bought her son has learned how to make props out of paper, which is rattle that so cool. Yeah. I forget. So called, it's not paper mcshea, but there's a specific type of paper folding I wanna say it's called the pepper or something. I wonder if I wonder if Queenie's referring to that Nick Frederick and the answer to that Nick Frederick would absolutely no the Internet but it's it's Super Bowl technique that I've always wanted to learn how to do myself Nice Jessica. From matched because play has been trying their hand armor and is making a salinas the shadowlands version I believe from borderlands I think which is super cool. Armor has been like a hidden message thing for me but that's super cool that that Jessica has been able to. Has Been Able to build that skill Nice Catherine Horace from a stellar corona. said that She's been she learned the the burrito method for lining shirts and bodices lifesaver. So go ahead and give that, Google? Yeah. 'cause I said I was going to earlier today and then life happened. So I haven't and that's me being an irresponsible podcast host but that's okay. You can google it the Burrito method I'm fully support anything that involves burritos. I'm I'm going to be completely honest. The only burrito method I know is for folding Audrey It's when you basically just roll it into like a cylinder type thing like folding it and supposedly it means less wrinkles swatting babies then it's the breath. Sean has so much experience of spiralling Davis. I'm surprised. You didn't know that I. Don't. Do not. Okay. please. Oh. I just found one Let's see mark. Who commented said I guess I'm better foam work good for you. Yeah. Getting some practice autumn from star. Space Princess says that gotten better styling now that I used got to be gel that stuff is amazing. So yes, got to be JAL got to be glued. Yeah and. Desmond said that. He's been using some doing some sewing with clothes and stuff from the dollar store, and that's a great way to cobble together a 'cause play especially if you're doing a whole bunch in doing. And and you want to practice so into. So that's awesome. And it looks like he and he's been finding stuff from home like hardware boxes, electric tape aluminum. That's awesome. How to do it. One more for this promises that ran on made a larger sewing room and a three D. Printer which is super cool. Cy have wanted a three D. Printer for a while. They hopes that. It. Helps that one of our up coming gusts has one in the same house that I live in coincidentally enough So it's good experience to kind of know just kind of like how how do they work the inner machinations and things like that the hardware, the maintenance upkeep, and so on and so forth. How about you shawn what? They're learning because plays skills during the quarantine John did I learn any cost play skills I? Mean we've we've already I I wouldn't call it a costly skill, but we've touched a little bit about self photography. So I've done a little bit more with that I. Don't know that I've learned new skills in that sense I think I've I think I've gained a little bit more of an eye of like what makes for good self photography and what doesn't I'm still that still very much a work in progress but it's something that I've been doing more of this year than. Prior. Years. Cool just taking a break count as a cause place cal. You know what it does I'm going to say that it does and my reasoning for that is because it's nice to be able to just like not feel like you have to make something or have to have something done for a con- even if that's by force of nature. So being able to like take that rest and kind of work on yourself as opposed to like having to put together a cost play. I think is good. Thanks yeah. Next. Prompt was how have you been managing the existential dread asking for a friend We had a few people who are like I don't know. But let me know when you find out that. That's another recurring theme that we've seen for sure and I. I probably throw myself in that. Bucket yeah. But there have been a few people have mentioned video games or different types of games game nights over discord Gabby mentioned that I picked up weekly game nights over discord with friends helped immensely with my socialization that I usually use and save cons. That's a great outlet when you can't when you don't have that experience and you don't get to go to the con-, you can at least. Have that outlet they're great. Autumn has been rewatching ninety sailor moon and other all anime. Fantastic. Perfect. KARENA said planning increasingly ambitious 'cause plays for whenever we get to have cons again. Absolutely because like. If you're in the camp where you still want to make stuff and you still are making kaas place on a pretty frequent basis. You have the time the lead up to be able to make that thing that maybe you've just never had the time to do so that planning and that prep is is invaluable. I think the last one I wanNA share is Andrew Rookie just said every day. And I'm not entirely sure what that means but yeah, it's it's Day. I'm not GonNa like it to that. Stupid. Logan Paul Song I I was just about to shake. I was just about to say the words of Jake Paul. That's every day Bro Shun. But we both we both thought we both have the same idea though it is every day really really do more everyday. Finally, anybody's. I'd ask Sean Sean Sean how are you managing the existential dread? By giving myself more existential dread. I mean I guess that counts. Honestly Doing I've discovered some. Guided meditations slash mindfulness activities that I've been doing with the kids at school. because. You know they they don't it's. It's everybody needs something like that right now because again, going through globally traumatic event for the last six months and it gets tiring from time to time. So I've just been doing some different mindfulness exercises and you know learning how to refocus myself and it's helped a lot during periods of stress with going back to teaching in person at school and everything. So It's which by the way I'm state were were safe. We're doing okay at my school 'cause it's a small school in a big building small population big building everybody's being responsible. We've been open for months and we haven't had any cases. So you know it's a good thing unlike certain private high school nearby. So probably We have my So high school that a friend of ours teaches at Steve just had a teacher pop and my kids middle school just had a kid in the group in the great below her pop. Omega. Pop Test Positive Oh. Okay. No not like a lemming like a little popcorn. That's yeah positive. Okay. Got Got. It wasn't sure. So that's that's that's unfortunate. Yeah. So where so far we're doing okay I think are one of the biggest saving in for us is small population building. So last one, D- Halloween. Halloween Times with lighten it up. Now I like I like Desmond's response to this. He has a few he's going with having the joker scarecrow or blade which I believe they're all DC I think the only one I'm unsure there's blamed for being DC. Marvel Marvel. Late Marvel. DC and Marvel but scarecrow is always a really fun one to do on here's enough interpretations of it to where you can look even as put your own spin on it. So yes, I like Desmond's response to that one space princess play again slinky dog slinky the dog from toy story with Jay sly I'm head and he's the by. Let's see others. There were some word here. What was another one? Jessica for matchstick is I. So her interest twofold, she's doing a little Scott Pilgrim and Ramona flowers with her partner and may also pull out work from over the garden wall which we just saw. Yeah. Well, I've seen it before, but Sean saw for the first time. Yes and yeah, it was FG Eddie was delightfully I give myself more existential drive by watching over the garden wall. Yeah. But it's a nice channel for the draft you know. Yeah. Let's see. Oh I- Carina is putting together a no face from spirited away. And I think a lot of people I. See I'm seeing some comments saying Couples costumes. Andrew Gooky is doing Harley Quinn I'm seeing a few to from mark and from Gabby saying that they don't quite what they're gonNa do and that's definitely okay to I know that I myself I don't have any solid concrete plans for. alouine sometimes, it's one of the spurs spur of the moment things that just kind of comes to you. When I was in the eighth grade I went as a truck driver and I decided on that one two days before. Halloween and. Everyone took delay out of the fake beard that was just kind of too much in this was before I started 'cause playing. So I've come a long way since then is that not what's tape to your Chin right now? Even David. Yeah. So do you did you say you had any? You don't have any specific Specific Halloween plans just yet at this point I'm planning on I dream of Pammy. Depending on what I end up doing but I I really want to get that genie costume out and Do, do I dream of Pammy yeah and just blink more and more particular things into existence. So we'll see how that goes 'cause. I did I've done like Pam as something else for Halloween before. So. We'll see maybe I'll get something else together. Maybe all go is like a functioning adult who knows So we are now reaching the end of our episode of hundred I love. It reminds me of when I was in elementary school and I don't know if you had the same thing. But whenever we got to the one hundredth day of school, there was always a big celebration and we had the count. A hundred different things of something. Whether. It was like pieces of cereal like pencils or something like that. Yeah. I don't know that there's one hundred anything in this studio hundred wall tiles of the soundproofing tile. There are at least a hundred of those stay fairly knows exactly how many there. Wow. Just. What do you think I'm from Boston autistic? No I. Mean I could do math and figure it out but no I don't I know. They were pain in the ass all put up. Oh I believe especially since I did it in July before they put the air conditioning unit in this a big metal box. 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Episode #1432: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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Episode #1432: The New Phil Hendrie Show

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The Queen of mean is now the Queen of meaning joined Lisa each week 'cause she sits down to the guest co host to solve their problems as well as some for download new episodes of that. Lisa help with Lisa limp any every week on apple podcasts and podcast one I'm Margaret grave. All right world famous Phil Emery show here, the Pacific, and southern California. That's a very, very Japanese did a tone yet is the good sense. Hell we, it's Hella wing. De-emphasize smell. Anyway. Welcome to the program world famous fill in reprogram where we have with us. Vern dosier today, Vernon is there's a lot of unfinished business. Well, that's what I've been doing. It say I wanted to do the opening to this because I want people to understand. There is a lot of unfinished business with Vernon and it has to do with last Friday's program that will last Friday on a show, you know, Vernon was with us and he was talking about this. Well, he was talking about his troop to Bart star. I got hold on Vernon telling us figure hey, I can hear all of that. All right. Sorry, I'm sorry. I was talking to me, let me do this or put Vernon on hold. If you don't mind last Friday, I can still hear him. I can still hear but I got put you on hold burning when put me on gun last Friday, I heard Vernon dosier and we overed run and talk, what am I hearing? But sorry, I got the fool enough to. Fool enough to put the last Friday. I heard Vernon dosier talking on this program about Bart store at very nice tribute that he had for the, the deceased great quarterback now. You realize going into week three on something that should only be a week long. We I know and you know what? We're gonna do it anyway because I don't want. I don't want all this stuff hanging, because I had a lot of people talking to me saying that Vernon dozy was rude. There was this, there was that it was. You weren't addressing the fact that there are a lot of people upset with well, there were a lot of people upset with him. There were a lot of people that were I thought over the line with him. Okay. So let's bring Vernon on, and we can talk about the over the line part of this thing, Vernon from Belmar academy. Okay. Coach we got you know how you doing? Boy, I didn't mean to, to intimate that you were not being, you know, polite to me, but I I got a lot of things I gotta do here. I understand what you want to do with this. I do. Yes, I've heard much want to deal with it. I mean look, I always I was I was he tried to do a tribute to Tipper. Would you guys? Get that name right? Talking about going on week three and why do I keep hearing the phone bumping the table because you're doing it with? Oh. To stop pumping, so Vernon last week. You had attribute that you mentioned. It was a nice tribute to board store. What happened? What went wrong? What went wrong was I said that I you know, if any player had come to me, the way Birch, if you say Burt one more time I'm getting up and walking out me to you too. Yeah. Me too. I'm gonna walk out. I'll do the show then. All right. Bert Berg, okay. Goodbye to it. Don't hang up. Please. I got I got brought him according to sit here to so the whole gang is there. Here. I got to be here because this was. The issue, you know as. I got this. Are you guys? This is a big joke, as far as you're concerned, how that's what it sounds like to me. No, it's not a big joke last week. I did I mention that Bart Starr, Bart didn't super I bark yohaf? I heard what you said. All right. And I said that Birch to I'm sorry. I did that by mistake. That sounds like a steak, Phil. Okay. Go ahead. I. You've got him nervous. Who wants to talk about this? Anybody high said park star was great quarterback. However, it is anecdotal that Bart Starr had gone to coach Lombardi and, and if I call him Lombardo, please, forgive me, you're a coach in the game of football. You ought to know Vince Lombardi's named by now. And I do. All right, Phil, I do. But I get nervous nervous and plumbing. Luckily delete nervous being up do that. Radio with you feel, oh, it's Phil mean. Yeah. And we're not on the radio on a digital. I get nervous anytime. I'm on a digital platform. What about if you're on the radio, I never met that doesn't bother me at all, but being digital somehow, I feel as if I've been taken apart and re. You feel you feel if you're on the digital pad for is, if he'd been taken to put together again. You it. So. All right. So you were talking about Bart store. You're right. I gotta tell you some general. You're right. This is going on. This has been going on for three months. Star died almost to fill to fill weeks ago to fill out about that two full weeks ago and you guys are still pulling your things about this. I said that I gave a tribute to him, and then I said, but if it was me and a player came to me and said, don't ever, call me out in front of the other players, which is what Bart Starr said to Vince burnt. Lumbar Lombardy, y'all. He and I said, I would flap his face. That's true. He said he'd slapped Haith disrespect now what would you slept is because he was, he was telling you what to do as a coach it because he's telling me what to do with the go-to now. I would great love. I said, I said, I read what you said you said, because you're insecure and you are I'm very sensitive until it would be the wrong thing to do. That's what I said. That's what I try to say. I got it bummer. If you don't mind here for backup, you know, 'cause I know what? But apparently some people took that seriously. And they over the course of the day on Friday. There were three stink bombs. Stoop plums? Yes. Stink bombs that were lent off. One stink to stink bugs that often it was one on time release in not a timer time, elapse fused, Phil or a time delay fuse on a stink bomb that had been placed under my here in faculty lounge, a time delayed fuse on a stink bomb. Yes, sir. And then the other to the other two were just take knighted right soon as one was placed in my car and the other was placed under my desk at Vernon. Does your field house? If this premeditated obviously, on trying to get to the bottom of it's Ashish peak right now, but you haven't figured out who did it. We have not heeded out who did. However we've talked out with for we understand that when you start. Squad right over top of one of the great legends professor football and squeeze one off. I don't think I did that. I don't think I squatted over top of the one of the I said, if it had been me. Well, you made a statement speaking as a coach, right? And you don't like a player calling you out. I don't like player calling me out in front of my feet as to be called out in front of his teammates. I don't want to be called out in front of my, my. Team. And who I that's what I said, that's all I said, and you also qualified it to your sensitive shit. I I'm very sensitive. I'm very I don't take criticism willing all bets at me. So you were you were very honest. I was I felt so forth. Coveted. I the drift. I'm getting here Phillies that you, you're all agree with. Is that right? Well, what did you wrong? Is that what did he to wrong? I'm talking to this guy over here. We're talking to you father what he did wrong. And it's very easy equation here. Robert is that the week the Harry week the bar star pass from her great quarterbacks that he is even though yes rod week to this we maybe going into week three I don't know, even though we're on week by years, just blew out our ears again. I'm sorry. But I wanted to make here at park star was the honored and no criticism to eleven when you said to him coach that you'd slap. His face say to him with your buddies upset twist pad. You're not excusing. These stink bombs are you? I'm not gonna stink plums. None at all. I don't think that, but I will tell you this with Vernon came to me, and the person I persecuted actually was Bill Cullen, who's the way coach Bill Cullen. He saw and smelled it because he was in the field house at his office. He said, what is that stink? And he had a smile on his face. Like he thought it was, I had passed gas or somebody goes, hey, that is powerful stuff. I said, that's not me that was some kind of stink bomb. We found a device underneath achier, what would it looked like a bottle or something, it had self your self? You're here is our cover. They make those things anybody known any much stink bombs, I don't. Yeah. You so for there's a variety of different things I think you can ignite it, so it creates a spoke. That's correct. So the well, how do you know father, I yes I'm a teacher now but I was young man. Let's in my life, and I, I will contest. That we, we dropped a few stink bombs in some suckers anyway. Pity understand. I understand well, here's what happened. I did. I, I looked at you suspiciously that hurts. Came to be the father. You had anything to do with involve. I wouldn't you talking about Bernie? He said, have your heart anything to do thing, fall sort, of course. He's, but I, I had off all know kind of Kidder outta joker. And you're always with the with the guys, you know. Did any kept saying I've had nothing to do with a stink? Stink bomb stink. Sounds like I'm saying stink bomb. It's a staple. That's as it's, it's, it's an adjective back stripped, corrected stank as opposed to it'd be it stink. You don't say that. That's where I got confused. All right. I don't know what. You know what one point is this survey? We're trying to get to the bottom of who, who did this just trying to say, I didn't say, thank bomb, because that's adjective, I think Paul visit down. Hey, man. Oh, you don't say, look, I think I'll go stink. Well, I guess you don't you, you do you say L stinks. What you do the show if I kidding around. Portly serious and everything. All right. Let me take control of this because I don't think anybody else. I'll take control of that super talk the Vernon dosier here about these stink bombs, this is what you say was not a covered last week. It was not cover last week and Phil, I felt you needed to me to tell the Odeon Vernon paid his dues for not respecting part, star or disrespect. The I don't even think it was disrespect. I don't think either I mean all I said, was I wouldn't let a player call me out, but there were two stink bombs one under your where was this? I know I had one that had to go in, I called the maintenance stuff. Everybody call the police. The police her walk, you wouldn't call the cops on that stink bomb. You know, something tell what he's targeting me. We'll hasn't reoccurred reoccurred. And I'm sure that whoever did. It was probably a student and it probably scared the hell out of them. The only other personals had issues of coach does Puvis daily, but father Stanley should always. Staley. You gotta be kidding. He's dead drunk upstairs wish, you wouldn't have said that my policies that bothers daily is a good man, but he's, he's had his issues with alcohol and others. They're standing retired. Now, don't Tennessee coming down the stairs, the rectory, and he's going into your desk and get out into the field. House enough to take bomb. All right. That's what happened. And that happened. And then finally, when I went to the faculty lounge, I decide reporter, this to fodder mcquarters, I'd said it to anybody listening. I went to the faculty lounge I sat down, and I was, I was gonna have myself a Cup of coffee, and it's a big point in the morning for me about eleven o'clock, I've gotten over all morning drills are done all the players were packing up and going on throw almost dumber school for the school year. But you guys are having these what voluntary their voluntary drills. Yeah. These are optional drills. We have the players to come in for two quarterbacks and Sean and how back to my office. I'm looking forward to my Cup of coffee and simply well, and who is our secretary even said, she heard me go. Yeah. You know, which is what I usually do before it pick up a Cup of coffee. So as you're making sounds like you know, you're going to relax. Yeah. I did. So you said, why did she put that up because that was pretty good in her mind for memory of me go at high. Yeah. And I picked up the Cup of coffee. And then there was this sound like a like a high pitched whistle. And then suddenly just as stench began to erupt, and what hurt more than anything else was that there was laughter, and somebody came over lit a match near my chair. So they had the same reaction the coach had. They thought you'd pass gas. That's right. And fifty even came over and said, oh, coach your, your little old for that. He's leading matches and laughing. And I, I didn't do that. And she said, pure thing, and she gave me a thumbs up. And so, in other words, everyone is making light of this. Yeah, nobody to him seriously. And he starts again understandably upset. That's think you should have instead of getting upset their coach. I think you should have just laughed it off and said, you know fact is had been made. Yes, it probably would have spent this bad. I'm not about to say that because I and then I Finally I looked under I saw that the bottle with a little little fuse connected to a, a box and he came in and he opened the. Walks up. And we saw that it was a shooting. You have called the police at that point. But more. That's why I said, why, why wouldn't you call the police calling the police because you didn't know was in that little, little case, the sponsored the box contains sort of triggering mechanism that lit the fuse, and that everyone that reacted to it. You know, perhaps a little bit more diplomatic it all about. Yeah. I gotta tell you. I'm I'm not following this very well. The wine here gave dole Vel coaches. Dave, what is there? We'll get Dave Deauville here on the line, from Bill Maher kademi you, you were in the office. When when the stink bomb went off our would. Yeah. Hey David coach dosier now. Tell everybody you in faculty lounge, right? Yeah. And I thought initially like everyone else that it was perhaps, the problem that coach was having he'd been under a lot of pressure. But you, you knew that it was a bomb. Then I, then I knew the stink bomb are you in a bathtub? I just heard these in a bathtub but I know I didn't have it. I bought just want me to call back. No, that's all right. But I knew you know, I knew that the coach was having a hard time. So I said, well, what I can do about it. And I came over to the stink bomb. And then you ran out scared. I ran out I was afraid of it because I thought it was going to re three detonate. Home. Okay. That's Dave Deauville. Thank you. Dave. What a waste of time. He can have doorbell on. Yeah, we did on it. It was. No good. That's too bad because he the way he explained. It can be. He said that the stink bomb when he immediately, but he paid long. Yeah. He was playing along with everyone else who's going to haul hop pointing at me. And I said, you knew that was a stink bomb. He said, yeah. What did you tell me, this mass, Mike and ask him this? Well, you know what I didn't think? Take about until right? It painted. All right. So where we going with this, where are we going to this? I want people to know that I paid in spades for what I did. I didn't mean to disrespect coach part, coach part star. I mean the player Bart star and I didn't mean to disrespect any of his fans, I was simply trying to say that's what I would do. And I don't think I deserved all the stink bombs on all the all the stink, you know, basically, distinct that happened. All right. So I would sit back listening to this. That's right, coach Ed sitting back and listening to this, and what you guys just got done communicating to me, and all of the people listening to something you could have done in about five minutes who has taken. Yeah, I don't know how long maybe fifteen minutes. Well, you know, something we've got a little bit. We go signals crossed wires cross. You're always getting a signals crossed. All right. So what, what can we have the point is that I think we've yeah. You finally, if explained this thing, the coach dosier made this comment. And there were stick though, I want to ask you that father right here. All right. Have you contacted the police? Why do I need to contact the it was a stunt pay was with in house? Right. Look, anything we're going to have to call the police, I, I say the much more important he was to do. And then to look around for some Trumpcare and just try to, you know put stink bombs do gags. I well, I know L C, again fodder and, you know, I respect you, you didn't do this. What did it? He did you didn't plant these bums that Barbie. Yes. It's bahgat. Stay boom. Listen to me father. Did you plant those stink bombs? Yes or no father. I thank a lot. You know, you scared me half to death didn't scare you. I put the stink bombs because I knew that there was a rising tide of opinion against you. But you know what I could do? Go ahead and pasta couple of stick bombs at him. He'll be cash. Why didn't you just why didn't you just tell me and discipline me or something, I'm going to say to you? Hey, we're really rough on park's star and, and you pissed off a lot of people the students didn't care. This had something to do with the faculty the parents tackling. The parents read my tweets. Yes. And frankly, I did tool, what do you know about board store father who said that still hungry. You know, I've been in the country long enough throw about the football culture this country. I've come to love the game greatly, and then come to eleven respectability the very people that people in it. I don't understand. I think you're scared the coach you can just said to you could have been a little bit more diplomatic and tactful instead you're, you're, you're, you're letting mom stink bomb. Back. Right. Why? Because I put it off a student, right? Yes. The so your instincts for so childish that you descend to go for the stink bombarded by goodbye. Doers on a big favor. Okay, everyone. Get off your high horse come down off the pedestal. All right. Come off. Get your Joan of arc. They'll tell you they're from the flaming pyre, and you can walk away. You may be spoiled a bit. But you could say I, I was on my Joan of arc kit. But, you know, I just want to can do that. I love doing those things you didn't have to put this band coach dosier do that humidity Asian humiliation. I got my fellow teachers coming over to me and say, lighting matches, offering me be no. You know. Beano. Yeah. They offered me being man. What's beano it helps to alleviate? The guy have a guy problem Levy. No, no. Ain't never heard of B notes. Okay. All right. I had that, and I had any number of things I got home, and my wife as a gag has got a big box of matches in the bathroom, and she's got a fan turned on I go with that about she goes ha, and she's tweeting me and then she went up to evening jog. You just a whole lot of people leading in the word of the stink bomb went out where did it stink bomb went out. All right. The smell. You know, fun. I again, I thank you for the great opportunity. You give me a Bill Maher kademi, and you're a great man. And you're, you're a priest of God. But if you were in fact, a small little leprechaun at you pretend to be I crush you. He doesn't just want someone. He does this one does what he voted this panacea. Like, if I was electric on he'd like to feed me into either, like meat dryness shit like father, I don't appreciate the language. I don't appreciate the imagery. I don't even come on Vernon out. Stop out of it. I wanna I wanna crush until I see green blood. Okay. Oh, gimme a break. We have art inside so Vernon all's well that ends. Well, no. And you don't you could use a vacation, get don't what do you, you know what you could use a vacation? I don't need. I can't take them engage. Now we got football practice. Coming up. You've got a few weeks to take off and that job at subway quit that job tentative, you want to get the picture out with the damn job at subway. Don't blame me. No bus bypass that because I'm having a couple of laugh, you're having a couple of laps and Mike Pence though, on and give Deauville. He was on the whole thing. Don't don't yuko break his chops at Vernon. Basically saying to you is that they had a it was a big fat joke. We do care about how public image and how we speak of people, you know. Well, I didn't say anything about Bart, and it was so bad that I agree all great. We all agree here father, you're out of line coach doors in the right. Thanks, a lot father, what up bunch a ball brick call up Vernon so he knows we didn't gate. Yeah. Very yeah. Yeah, we didn't hang up on you not gonna we hung up on on. Thank you for backing me up. Phil for once for once we back, you a plenty on this show. And we're backing up here. That was not a was not a nice thing to do. And I heard, which is I saw what you tweeted belching. I was yes. Feel just had a Slaw salad that he made himself with, with. All right. Thank you, Margaret. We can go ahead and do the cooking show later on with oil with vinegar with garlic powder with temp. Tam Tam Rukh, or whatever that is. What is that? I don't know if it was very good and feel good going. Thank you. That's what I have like everyday. I'll let's tremendous fills Goto salad, which has got to do with me. Knitted nothing. If you had really had had that kind of gas, you probably want to go to a salad. I would not want to go to a salad because it would create that kind of gas. If you've been around Henry, I would have blamed you for it. Thanks, thanks so much for getting my back. Fernan dosier, folks. So you love. Isa's birth and it's all great. I say Burton get hung up on take it easy, man. So he was not disrespectful to Bart Starr. Let's put that to bed. Coach dosier is going to take a couple of weeks off. I say, well, we're recommending. You take a couple of weeks off before starts football practice, and what else? And, and, oh, yes father, mcchord, as you should be ashamed of yourself. Exactly fun of a quarters leave the jokes to the to the students you got a school run. Get fed, and of course in length to go ahead. What to do? I wanna miss school damn you know what they were talking about. You heard the whole thing. I've been running the school field since before you even knew what a school was before you even knew what you were before you had arms and legs. No. You were not. You can't be that much older than me. All right. Thanks a lot farther. I'm still here. Yeah, you're still there. All right. So I wanna thank you, Bill. But mcquarters you know, don't fire me a flyer. You thank you very much coach. And we'll talk to you as the season progresses as the summer progresses. I do hardly recommend tell you quit that subway quit the job at subway before it kills you. I'll take it under advisement. I'd see later coach. Thanks failing. Thank you coach Vernon. Does you hear the world famous Phil Hendrie show that does subway job has got it on pins and needles? And but I had no idea. I didn't have any idea that but quarters was such a pain in the tail, he's been from way back. Really? Yeah. He does dole Kenza gigs. There's always pulling tricks on people and everything. And then he blames the students and some maybe it's his way, getting the steam offer something getting the steam off letting the steam off, let him off, what up, baby man. And to let it go on for a few days like that. And to have a time delayed fuse on a stink bomb. I mean he must know something about stink bombs. Yeah, I'd say to him, then maybe I shouldn't have said it, but the sea in the IRA or something you don't even go there. But what are you talking about? You know about time delay fuse you don't have to know you have to be in the IRA to know about time delayed fuses, okay? Maybe it's a military. Maybe he re bitty read about it on the internet, more likely. 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You always get some interesting takes on life, and let's cut through it. You think you think Godzilla is a liberal fem-? Right. I do. Yeah. And let, let me say, Mr. Henry, you know, that Godzilla I I've been, you know, called on the carpet, as I mentioned, I was called on the carpet. My at my, by the way. Can I just mentioned about Dr L cut? I wanted to avoid that. No. We have to because that's been a big controversy. I want to mention. Let me set it up if you don't mind. Anna Alcott believes that it is Erica Dorton the headmistress of St. bozos kids middle school. He believes she's the one that is blackmailing him or attempted to blackmail him. He was successful because he found out that he was actually Rita face. They said I let me do this. Oh, you forgot sake. This is a -fensive enough. I'm sorry, but I'll do it that she was a porn actress that he worked with. Yeah. Because I think he had to come out and would you guys let you numb nuts sit down and let mama takeover it turns out, Margaret, it turns out the doctor Alcott was in adult films before he became a cleric in the L cut the next step religion. It's something that he wants to quote unquote down host downs. The term hose down is what they use in L cut the next step to say they wanna clarify and cleanse their lives. The big hose down, right? Well, yeah I mean I don't know about it. All right. So he admitted to having been in adult films. He found out that the woman that had called his attorney to blackmail him was this woman. What was her stage name was what? Rio. Face it, Rita face it. Excuse me. Margaret now come on. You guys. Oh, you guys. So that's rename, and he recognized her from pictures, right? Because Eric Gordon is a rather, you know, she's a middle aged woman with pretty much standard looks fantastic. Libya typically about or anything like that. And turns out that she'd had her boob, boobs Bosio, you have a hard time, saying the word breast. So let you look Phil takeover. All right. But she had her breast implants removed. She had some. Implants that are buttocks removed. That's correct. Yes. And so she basically doesn't look a thing like she did when she was in films, right? But Dr L cod. Recognized her and said, that's, that's that's refacing, if they said and ban hotel, you, I imagine doctor Alcott was both horrified and relief. I don't know if he's horrified. But I don't know what this is going to do with the air Kadoorie position as the middle school had mistress. I know she put him take it easy. I think she'll probably blame me, why would she blame you why don't you blame you nothing to do with it? Because I given the police, some of the tapes of her breathing. Yeah. And that's what that was the thing that got her recognized by Dr L cut was the breathing this breathing into the phone. We've got a copy of it, but could you go ahead data's the Erica, Dorton breathing a phone call on up the St. L? Hello. That was a tape from your house, Steve. That was yeah, my, my answering, machine you're answering machine. Well I was it was a it was on my answering machine with all night Sapone when you ask the phone, what? When I answered when he answered the phone. Oh, yeah. Go. They heard that and Dr El Khader then. Well, I break nights that breathing. He recognized that breathing some seen some sex, scenes, he was. Is that right? Yeah. I mean, I know I'm trying to be as delicate as I can be. Well, why be delicate? I mean, this woman who realized the doctor Elcock was a guy she'd been she could have kept their mouths shut and minded our own business just gone onto being the head mistress there at that school, David down, and do a phone call coming in. And it's what is this from Jordan? I believe it is miss Dorton calling right now from line. She's online, too. His dorton. You know, you're breathing into the phone isn't doing anything. What does she think she's doing? Who does? She think she's impressing and. No. And it sounds rather threatening. And I think that the students, I think that the, the, the I think the school board the district. Yeah, we'll either public tool and, you know, unless I miss my I'm going to be speaking at the school board meeting tomorrow night, and I want people to come out CK corona middle school. I went to a magnet school. Hey, the higher, you know, learnings you know, because go there have the head their heads are bigger than not have her, but they're, they're, they're more education. They students right? Their scores are higher and Dorton is the one who's, you know, unfortunately or fortunately, she's the one that kicked it upstairs. And she's the one that got that school into higher performing category. That's correct. Yeah, I don't know what they're gonna do. I they may just they may just write it off as she's just letting off steam, and she's planning. Clouding. She gets to call people up where part of her job is to let people know, for displeasure with their, the way to raise their kids. I've never heard of a school that I've never heard of school, but they get to tell you how to raise your children. Let's get off that for a minute because God knows. That's a whole other thing. Godzilla is coming out. Or is out now? Right. Steve Levy, as it has made it. Diet has made us play. It's made us play. All right. So Steve, you believe that gut Ciller is a piece of leftist propaganda. Correct. I do. And I'll tell you why believe that I believe that God Hilo. Is a is a movie that is killing us. Look what happens if you don't address climate. I think they this is tied to climate change. I don't think there's any doubt in my mind about that. I you know, I say there's no doubt in my mind. I mean. Did you? I mean I checked with my mind and yeah, I'm sorry by slow down and take a deep breath. You have, by the way you have this sound of gut Zillow. This is the sound of guns or Gore's or Gore's Ila as Japanese had called him. And I'll tell you right now put a year Steve, you're what's your pund, try to just take in the cooling effects of it, and go ahead, but hit me with this, this out of Gore's, Gorazde zilla, wait a minute. What does this Gore's? That's the Japanese pronunciation. There's a Japanese pronounce an exit Gort Gorizia, or that sounds almost like you're making a joke. No. That's deep pronunciation. But go ahead. This is the sound of Godzilla. Now, I don't know why we have to hear this, because when I hear this, and anybody who is who loves this country, here's this, you're here, not only the lizard. And by the way, if you look at God's he'll, it's big gag, we, they hit of God's own, it looks like a squirrel doesn't even look like a lizard. What are you talking about? Take a look at the head of gun. He'll looks like a squirrel head. I will let's for another show. And maybe if we've got television, but what we're going to hear. Now. What the hell was that? I just played it. Sorry. I was going to let you know oh my God. Oh my God. All right. So that's the sound of gut zilla. Yeah. A lot of good parts doing me. God, take a walk looking around. Now I understand it. I've heard this philosophy that Godzilla is just a leftist been a propaganda, having to do with climate change. That's what it is. It's basically saying and anti Judeo-Christian because it's saying that Godzilla who cares about God, and Jesus here comes Godzilla, just cook just cook everything. Okay. And if you don't end up most important thing to pay attention to it's not God, it's about Jesus. It's climate change science. Because if you go look what happened, you got yourself lizard. It's large this is a by the way, Steve, this is a movie that's almost sixty years old. Am I right about that? Yeah. I mean probably more, I think it came out in nineteen fifty eight or something the original Zillow. Yeah. But my point is that all of this has all been picked over before, no, sir. No, it's not. Well, the original Godzilla was the result, the unspoken. Well, no. I think it was spoken atomic bombs, yes, the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan in World War. Two that the film was a comment on that may well have been. I mean that you could you could get, you know, how do you ignore that? I mean we dropped to a bomb to figure something going to happen. I mean, I think most Americans we dropped two atomic bombs, we all kinda hit under the bed and looked up and took a lot, gutter telescope and looked at Japan to what's going on gut. Our telescopes. I think so, you know, I think I think we drop to A-bombs, and then we'd duck behind a chair and figuratively figuratively pulled out our telescopes and look figuratively, Japan and went okay here Pierre, you know, what's, what kind of mutant is gonna come out of this thing. So you think that we all knew they, I don't think there's a downside. I didn't know that some kind. New patient. That's very interesting to say in retrospect, I think that we had the, the atomic bomb the testing, and we knew the runner, defects of radio activity, and we certainly had people on the ground following that event. But to say we thought giant lizards what happened from this thing. And the truth is there hasn't been any such a fantastic. Mutation, although there have been there has been radiation, sickness and there has been a fix. Yeah. I mean, there has been radiation sickness. But here's what are you trying to say? I'm telling you, that in the many, many years since those bombs were dropped. We haven't had giant lizards. We haven't had giant moths. We haven't had turtles with retro rockets. What are you talking about heard about camera? Oh, yeah. Okay. I forgot you forgot. Yeah. But I mean camera is, is a good game that good monster. And I know it sounds childish. I me but what I'm trying to say I'm trying to put this in perspective. You've got got Zillah, and I think what happened was patients rejected the gods. Zillow pro liberal platform and, and camera comes along, as a conservative response. So that's the conservative world's response to put things. Right. And camera will come along and say, okay, and you've heard into dump it. I do you have the music there. But I do not sorry. Well, it sounds like this mystery. But what are you talking about? He's talking about camera. What does this? It's a turtle. It's the turtle, but the retro rockets and that is the pro Republican, if you will. And I don't sound silly. But that's the response from the risen. The reason. Okay. You're right. I am the Republicans have Gammarra. And, and he's gonna go. Yeah. And if you hear that music, it's done to lend today. It's very American. It's very marshaled. And that's. Hey Steve dude. I mean come on, man. This has been filled. I'm more man. And I'm talking about something to Mosul. You got Godzilla laying off the coast of Japan. You got Godzilla laying off the coast of America in several movies, Godzilla, laid waste in New York, and laid waste to LA and one movie, I think, Godzilla, laid waste pronto in another movie. I think Godzilla come come ashore at Miami. This is the thing about this pay. I think this is the theme of the film is that as long as we keep, you know, pandering to the climate change people. Well, we're going to be doing is looking over our shoulder waiting for the next thing to come along. I mean if you want to worry about giant lizards that's one thing. But the more important thing is worrying about rising sea levels. The more important thing is learning is living with drought. The more important thing is living with these, you know, hurricanes and storm changes. That's the real Godzilla that we're talking about. Well, I know that and I suppose you wanna say godzillas a symbol of all of that simple that if a symbol of nature unchained, and I think it's wrong is wrong about that Steve. It's not gonna come in. Breathe fire and turn turn GPS over on top of soldiers. No. I don't think anybody thinks that it will. But it's the devastating effects are much, much worse in that. We have to live in this world where they may not be enough food. There may not be enough water. There may not be, you know, places to live that we used to be able to live and we can't be more. All of that, to me all of that sounds like Godzilla to you. And as a result of that it's a big left-wing movie. Well, it comes from Hollywood's would expect. That's true. I mean, I told my wife and the kids that when they were saying, well, what do we do what he would win one. What are we going to do about it? You know. And I said, well, it is a Hollywood movie. Yeah. So you can expect us to be liberal. You're, you're scaring, your, your your, your wife and your kids. I an. Are you an you're scared it's going to be liberal? You scaring your wife and kids, my wife and kids, understand the crew essence. Well, they know that they've got a real weird father and husband, don't they know I wouldn't put it that way. Steve L is our guest folks as we talk about. Godzilla. Do we have an example of this Gammarra sent the mental link of the game? Wrote the martial music. Now, you feel proud when you hear that creature come in, and that's why I say, this isn't just get Godzilla vs Gammarra. It's got it's the left versus the right. The proud. The proud sound okay. That's the proud onto what jam come green. Yeah. The what does that make you feel better? It makes anyone feel. All right. Yeah. And I'm not saying camera exists that God got do. Got Zillah gun doing this. When I am seeing, though, is that there is a very nice way of counter counteracting, the effects of of gun. Here with this gal. That sounds like some kind of mid sixties, cornball, rock and roll. Mid-fifties going ball rock and roll fun. Another one too. You said there was muscial music. Yeah, there's a. Music from kind. Now what's happening here? Is spending the town. He's got renter. New slow and stuff up. Yeah. This is when gamma wasn't such a nice guy. Oh. I don't know if we're gonna find that decided martial music. Now, he say martial music like Martinez into it's very stirring. And I think it's very much part of the conservative movement, which is to, you know, to say, no, no, no, we're not gonna have the creature created by your climate change attacking, argh, Amera creature which represents the more conservative public view. And that's why they have lifted the gamut of songs if you ever do find them, their dented, let a little done, you know. All right, Steve, you can get with the who have that Lang dealt. Mahy used to do as music played mouth orchestra. All right. I know I know what you people think, I mean, we're, we're just having some fun up look Steve, if you ever do find that extended long. We'll play it on the show. All right. I'll have Steve junior look forward. But the most important thing that I wanna say is got ill appearing in movie, theaters across America and, and, and all over the world. Is right there? That's the that's the guy little sound. Why is it freak you out so much represent that represented? The climate change people that represent wasting our time on our money on windmill that wins that read that way. Events lip was in I'm sorry. Represents wasted our money on on on on fixture. You know, recycling plastic straws when we get him for free very, very capitalistic things like giving people things for free. Well, okay, so thinking, which please shut that off because that's the sound folks, climate change, or the, this is the sound of people who what is the sound of, of people who. Scare with climate change, shouldn't be scared of climate change. No, we should because it's not likely. And that's just a made up thing. Thank you, Steve. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it off. There St. steeples L, and there's Godzilla Godzilla now the symbol of climate change, or is actually the symbol of phony climate. Is that what I'm that's what Steve saying it's got zilla is how the left is scaring everybody else into believing the climate change is going to happen and climate change is like Godzilla. Yeah. Yeah. Claim would climate change comes. It'll be all, yeah. Yeah. Put it out again. Man. Play what? Again salad climate change. You mean play the Godzilla again? Yeah. Damn. That is loud, bud. Pisa's. Got that. So I remember when I heard the very first gut Zillow movie it sounded to me, like it was a slowdown backed up version of, like maybe an elephant, and echo chamber, something a slow down backed up first of an elephant and echo chamber. But what does it sound like to you? It sounds like it's an elephant, alliance, put together an echo year, right? Come on. But it's freaking me out, man, Godzilla at a movie theater near you. We've just sold a whole bunch of tickets for that. I hope you're grateful Godzilla producer people. All right. Man often run into a new week Phebe the world famous Phil Hendrie show waving feedback on our show at UC. I was talking to Hallard director. They enjoyed it the UC people. Enjoy it. Then hopefully we'll be back for another show. People are good heads up on that. He wrote. And of course, we have our marathon for June coming up, taking you suggestion so far, the leading candidate is Vernon dosier. Yeah. 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Meghan Daum: "Nuance: A Love Story"

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Meghan Daum: "Nuance: A Love Story"

"Every day on your medium homepage, we deliver big bold ideas and articles personalized to the topics that you care about. Most, you can always read a few stories each month for free, but members get access to everything. Medium has to offer like our monthly magazine featuring world famous thinkers, diverse stories from raiders across the world syndicated selections from publishers like the Atlantic and the New York Times and audio versions from our most popular posts, check it out today for just five dollars a month at medium dot com. Slash membership. Today's episode features, a recent story that are members particularly loved. We hope you enjoy. Welcome to play back where we bring some of the best features on medium to life, and we uncover the story behind the story straight from the authors who wrote them. I'm your host maneuvers summar ODI and today I am so excited to talk to Meghan Dom. She's author longtime op Ed columnist for that law scandalous times, and she's going to read us her fascinating story about her love affair with the intellectual dark web for as she calls it free speech you to be is actually called nuance a love story, and it was featured in mediums monthly magazine, and Megan is actually here with me. Hi, Megan, high Menashe. Welcome playback. Great to be here. Okay, so your story nuance, a love story. You do something very unusual. You expertly intertwined. Your personal story of the slow break. Down of your relationship with your husband at the time, but you interplay that with how the divisive political climate has borne out on social media over the last couple years, when did you realize that there was a parallel between the break-up of your marriage and politics? That was a real epiphany, and it came to me literally earlier this spring, I was walking down the street and there was a late snowstorm early spring snowstorm about to start. And I had been thinking about all of these things. These political issues, the divisiveness, the quote, unquote, intellectual dark web for several years, but I had not wanted to write about it or at least I hadn't wanted to write about it in a very obvious way because lots of people were saying the sort of obvious things about it. And so I had held off and all of a sudden it dawned on me that the way to talk about this stuff was too. Do it within the framework of a personal story. And you know, having written personal stories for twenty five years. I just sort of knew instinctively that now is the time to write it. Okay. So let's listen to it. Here's Meghan Dom reading her piece nuance. A love story. This is the story of the past three years of my life. It's a romance in a way, but it's also a break-up story. It begins sometime in two thousand fifteen a year during which my life was coming apart in various ways. In addition to the unraveling of my marriage, I began to send some fraying around the edges of my social circles both online and in real life, people who'd once shared a common set of sumptious about the realities of the world and the nature of human behavior. Now seemed oddly divided questions that had once been treated as complicated inquiries requiring scrutiny and nuance were increasingly being reduced to moral absolutes. Especially as far as liberal types were concerned. I, I noticed it with issues pertaining to feminism. If for instance, you suggested that reason wondered aloud. If the gender wage gap might not be due entirely to stem sexism, but also. Oh, to women's interests, choices and the inconvenient, but unavoidable realities of pregnancy and young child rearing you were likely to be labeled an internalized misogynist. The same dynamic played out in other spheres of public debate, of course, gun control immigration and due process in campus sexual assault cases to name a few. If you more or less towed the requisite liberal line. But thought there were some gray areas that warranted consideration you were quite possibly on the wrong side of history. If you called for nuance, you were part of the problem. That was three years ago this summer amid a roiling debate largely taking place on Twitter, but roiling nonetheless between what you might call the civility camp versus the outrage camp of the Trump resistance nuance became kind of fighting word for civility types who fear that displays of indiscriminate an unfettered rage against the Trump regime are as strategically misguided as they are viscerally satisfying nuance is what sorely lacking. Some of my best friends were such narrators on Facebook and Twitter, their post rang out with equal measure of passion and paranoia for all their sophistication and critical thinking skills. These were people with advanced degrees and New Yorker subscriptions more than a few of them were coming across as disturbingly close minded and credulous in the outrage camp. The call for nuance is sometimes seen as a form of tone. Policing a dog whistle for centrist and right leaning scold who's privileged blinds them to the severity of the crisis before them. Both sides have a point naturally. This state of cultural cognitive dissonance. There's a striking resemblance to the developing situation inside my brain over the past few years, a situation best described as a maddening toggle between what I felt versus what I thought I was supposed to feel on both counts. It's been an uncomfortable sensation. What I thought I was supposed to feel probably has its roots in one of my earliest political memories, seeing the devastation on my parents faces as Walter Cronkite showed in electoral map that blazed red with Ronald Reagan's, landslide win in the nineteen eighty presidential election. My parents pro union liberals who've been raised in coal country, and later shaped by the values and sensibilities of academia weren't especially political, but they'd instilled in me the standard set of middle-class, Democratic Party values. Public safety nets were forced for good. Corporate greed was a real threat. Civil and reproductive rights paramount. I carried these valleys with me to college where they blended right in with just about everyone else's. When George H W Bush was elected president in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight students wrote moving to Canada in thick magic marker on their bedsheets and hung them from dorm windows in nineteen eighty nine. I and dozens of my classmates boarded buses to Washington DC to March in an abortion rights. Rally organized by now. There were hundreds of thousands of marchers that day, and I remember how good it felt to stand with my friends in our matching college sweatshirts shouting, never again, and my body, my choice. I did not fully board the bus of the first wave of political correctness in the early nineteen nineties. When the conversation about the campus date rape epidemic rolled around, I was glad to see the date rape was finally being recognized as a real thing, but I was a bit peevish about the word epidemic, which seemed to me to demand and expanded definition of rape that felt potentially counterproductive. This peevish nece would crop up again here and there over the years. Beginning in two thousand five. I spent more than a decade as an opinion column for the Los Angeles Times writing about culture and social politics and my pension for devil's advocacy. Hey, why shouldn't Sarah Palin coal herself. Feminist brought angry letters from liberals as well as from conservatives for the most part, though I spent my adulthood fairly aligned with the kinds of people onto college with that. We were all on the same team was simply given. We all read the New York Times, listen to NPR and voted for Democrats. We would all go to the mat for women's rights gay rights or pretty much any rights other than gun rights. We lived for the most part in big cities and blue states. When Barack Obama came into the picture, we loved him with the delirium of crushed out teenagers, perhaps less for his policies than for being the kind of person who also listened to NPR. We loved Hillary Clinton with the fraught resignation of daughters love for her mother. We loved her even if we didn't like her. We were liberals after all. We were family. Maybe it was the impending loss of Obama that caused us to begin this unconscious process detachment from one another as well as from him. Maybe we knew we've never been loved like this again. So we started looking for problems picking fights. Biting the satisfaction that apparently been hiding deep inside our contentment. It wasn't hard since injustices, large and small. We're in the foreground of our daily lives like never before cell phone cameras. Now, ubiquitous left, no public altercation. Undocumented screen shots left no ill, advised text or tweet permanently forgotten the social Justice warrior. A moniker used mainly by detractors and often reduced to s j w emerged on the scene with the self proclaimed utopian vision that sometime sounded a lot like Thawra -tarian ISM social media. The narcotic, we were already addicted to now did double. Duty as an outrage, amplifier and disseminator of half truths spoken by well-meaning, but unreliable narrators, some of my best friends were such narrators on Facebook and Twitter, their post rang out with equal measure of passion and paranoia for other sophistication and critical thinking skills. These were people with advanced degrees, New Yorker subscriptions more than a few of them were coming across as disturbingly, close minded and credulous a link to dubiously sourced article about sex trafficking in the United States with set off a Cascadia Facebook comments about how American women are hardly any better off than women in the developing world. A comment expressing even mild sympathy for the obvious psychological troubles of someone like Rachel Dole's, all the white woman who was publicly shamed for pretending to be black would be smackdown as an example of unchecked white privilege or even unabashed white supremacy words like man. Splaying and gas lighting were suddenly in heavy rotation. Often invoked with such a less dissident as to render them nearly meaningless. Similarly, the term woke which originated in black activism was now being used to draw a bright line between those on the right side of things. And those on the wrong side of things, the parlance of woke news was being used online so frequently that began to strike me as disingenuous even a little desperate. After all, these weren't just beam crazed youngsters, flouting their newly minted critical studies degrees. Many were in their forties and fifties posting photos from their kids, middle school graduations along with rage filled rants about toxic masculinity. One minute they were asking for recommendations for gastroenterologist in their area. The next they were adopting the vocabulary of tumbler typing things like I just can't with this. And this is some fucked patriarchal. Bullshit 'em right. Granted, I was primed to be maximally gnawed since after decades of paying little attention to the interests of the generations, followed my own. I was suddenly consumed by the political activism the very vocal minority of younger people, mostly millennials. The values of this minority were more or less in sync with my own still. There was something about the tone in which they espoused them. They're very inflection that made me feel like I was simultaneously being sent to my room. My mother and banned from a lunch table by the mean girls. To my ears. Every utterance was a skull d- every reaction in IRO every policy idea, no matter how impractical shot through with disgusted disbelief that no one had thought of it before problematic that all purpose recrimination for any person place or thing, deemed insufficiently inclusive of all people places and things was more weapon than word. Another upper word was exhausted. So intractable and unreasonable were their opponents that it was exhausting to have to keep repeating themselves. So persecuted were those whose identities veered outside the margins of white hetero, normative capitalist society that daily life itself amounted to a series of violences in which they were forced to explain their humanity. My very smart friends seem to be lapping this up, enter my new friends. I found them on YouTube. Actually, I found them I through blogging heads TV a site where scholars and journalists of all idiological stripes carried on webcam conversations about the issues of the day. I was a particular fan of the monthly dialogue between the economist and professor Glenn Lowry, and the linguist and literature professor John mcwhirter. Calling themselves the black guys on blogging heads. They talked about racial politics, with more candor, and a ham nuance than I probably ever heard in my life. The even dared to do with view in the left leaning chatter ATI or willing to do hold the writer Tana, he's coats up to scrutiny often. It wasn't so much the author himself that they griped about, but the wrote self congratulatory, reverence displayed by coats, white fans, this reverence was it self racist. Mcwhirter pointed out the implication if I was reading him correctly, it was that Coates was good, but not a God and the need for white people to elevate him to the level of deity constituted a kind of soft bigotry, which is noisy aiding as it is unintended. Mcquarters said every time I walk around this fucking city, and I deal with a lot of intellectual whites. I work on a campus full. Them, and it's become a kind of symbol of being of that class that when you're talking to especially a black call me thinking person that you were supposed to do, you're Jen genuflection two coats and it's a kind of a signal that white people give somebody like mitt, and it's not only people with PHD's the ideas that you are supposed to believe in that God and every time that happens and you talk about how racism is something that we suppose waiting counter every time we walk out into the street, I would definitely say at least once a week I have to deal with this some very earnest white person who's assuming that I think of that person's writing as scripture or frankly as brilliantly reasoned. And I feel personally insulted because to me, they are letting pass. Hate saying this about something or somebody, but I guess I have to get hit by a bus tomorrow they are letting pass as genius, something which they never would. If it was not a black person doing it and when they do it, I feel like I'm in that scene and anti hall with Woody Allen where he's thinking that the people around the table, the gentiles around the table or seeing him as this pushcart Jewish person with. Pay in everything. I feel like this person and we're talking about some enlightened and often famous people that person when they do that genuflection they're seeing me as some thick lipped Stepien fetch at drawl in person in overalls. And I think is that other judging me are they telling me that I'm so wonderful because they think that it's a good thing because I'm Brown, it makes me sick. It has nothing to do with Tana hoc- coach as an individual. I don't think he's done anything wrong Mayan Dighton is against the people who are elevating him out of what can only be called bigotry. I'm done. This delighted me. I learned a lot from reading coats. But with this reading often came the nagging sense that I wasn't supposed to engage with the ideas as much as absorb them unquestioningly. He wasn't just an author, but the unofficial Potter familias of the woke assent. Importantly, it was not coats making this appeal, but the cultural gatekeepers surrounding him privately mcwhirter was making a more eloquent version of a point. I'd been trying to make for months to anyone who'd listen, which was nobody from the black guys on blogging heads. YouTube algorithms bouncing along path of similarly, unapologetic thought criminals, the neuroscientist Sam Harris and his waking up podcast, Christina Hoff Sommers aka the factual feminist. The comedian turned YouTube interviewer. Dave Rubin, the counter extremist activists, Machida Woz, and a contentious, and then little known Canadian psychology professor named Jordan Peterson who railed against authoritarianism on both the left and right, but reserve special disdain for Postmodernism which he believed was eroding rational thought on campuses and elsewhere. Some of them like summers and Peterson made their own videos which. They turned into their main platform and chief export. Sometimes monetize ING them via subscription platforms like patriotic others tracked down in crude footage from university lectures or panel discussions with names like is identity politics, eating itself. Many also reliably showed up on real time with Bill Maher, and curiously on the podcast of Joe Rogan, a comedian and mixed martial arts commentator whose guest roster of athletes entertainers and conspiracy theorists occasionally expanded to include people like astrophysicist, Neil degrasse Tyson, three years later, a handful of this Qadri would be introduced to the greater public under the dubious banner, the intellectual dark web. An alliance of heretics is making an end run around the mainstream conversation, went to New York Times article in the spring of two thousand eighteen. Should we be listening and accompanying photo spread, showed the subjects posing the finally in. Rain storms and shadowy forests within days. Countless news outlets had picked up the story, and it seemed everyone had something to say about whether the members of this alliance had any credibility as either heretics or intellectuals. There was little if any consensus descriptors ranged from renegades to Griff tres two white nationalist trolls. But the fervor around the whole subject suggested that a nerve had been touched, possibly even a major artery tapped for me. It was as if the obscure indie rock band I've been following for years suddenly hit it big. I was excited, but also a little worried for starters, intellectual dark web was a terrible name. It reeked of scifi history, onyx, and moreover was to easily confused with that cyber-crooks choked sub basement of the internet known as the regular dark web, not that it was any better than the name. I privately assigned to them free. Speech, YouTube, what will I do tonight? Make some popcorn and hang out with free speech. YouTube, I didn't agree with my free speech. YouTube friends on every point far from it still I was invigorated even electrified by their willingness to ask if not ever. Totally answer questions that had lately been deemed too messy somehow to deal with in mainstream public discourse. Are we using multi-culturalism as a cover for tolerating human rights abuses and other countries? Are there biological differences in male and female brains that help explain the gender wage gap? Can we use a balloon psychology to help explain why women in the aggregate are less likely to pursue careers, like engineering and computer coding. These questions have mostly been rendered off limits in serious public discussions, evolutionary psychology, which is all too easily oversimplified and repurpose into any number of shaky suppositions about social hierarchies is a particular bugaboo since my YouTube friends were asking than the wes- many turned into defacto speech rights champions. And since the term speech rates now had a trip wire affect for many liberals and that it was often associated with defenses of hollow provocateurs like Milo Yiannopoulos. Many of my YouTube friends were finding themselves cast out of the political left. Not that some of them like Harrison summers weren't getting plenty of attention from asking these questions or even as an Peterson's case poised to get rich. I just got the sense that many of them had come to their positions after feeling just as out of step with their peers. As I did their company with one another, even in the form of panels and webcam. Chats manage to keep me company. Looking back to two thousand fifteen. I'd say my burgeoning relationship with free speech. YouTube probably had to do with the end of another relationship. I'd left my home in Los Angeles and was living temporarily in New York teaching writing to graduate students. My husband and I were experimenting with what we had thus far managed to avoid calling a trial separation. Remember hunkering down in the small Brooklyn apartment. I'd sublet for the semester. Anticipating snowstorm billed as a snow, Pokka lips and watching something like six hours of conversations on blogging is for some reason, the storm had me terrified. I'd been in California so long that the thought of being blinded by power outage caused by already blinding snow seemed beyond my coping abilities, but for some reason, the Andrine dialogues had a soothing effect. I lay on the couch and nipped at them all night as they were brandy. Finally drifting asleep to the lullaby of conversations. Tagged Ferguson is not Palestine, but is it similar and a red heads underrepresented in congress, the storm turned out to be not nearly as Pakalitha as advertised and the power remained on, but in the ensuing months, whatever embers remained of my marriage manage to smolder out my husband and I had spent so much time over the years. Watching premium cable shows that now felt sad and wrong to watch television alone. Instead, I watched YouTube and for a few months, read everything I could about anti rape activism on college campuses. I was all in favor of the new dialogue around issues of sexual consent. I was also happy to keep my nose out of it. Having accepted that as a generation xer, I would never understand the digital revolutions collateral affect on Molyneaux sexual behavior. Nonetheless, I became consumed by the case of MS. Okay. Poets, the Columbia student who was carrying her mattress around in protest of the administration's exoneration of fellow students. She said, had raped her though. I was obviously in no position to know for sure what had happened, no one, but the two people involves are ever in any such position. The sudden national obsession with female endangerment on college campuses struck me much the same way it had in the early nineteen. Ninety s well intended, but ultimately infanta Leising to women and essentially unfinished. Many people. I knew apparently saw differently. They posted alarmist articles on Facebook and formed comment threads that were like a chorus of outrage. Anxiety. I've never been one for social media feuds. So when I saw them recite statistics that I knew to be misleading one in four will be raped. I just sat there in fumed when I saw someone say, she wondered now if she should even send her daughter to college, I wanted to throw things even more than that. I wanted to put myself in time machine. Mike crumbling marriage had made me something close to inconsolable and my only wish was to go to sleep and fast forward my life to some indeterminate point in the future when I'd feel better. By spring, my husband and I had decided to divorce there was no tangible grievance. Just a baseline disatisfaction with our lives together that no amount of hard work or therapy or cable drama binges could allay. We were in our forties. We had dogs, but no children, there was no reason other than the raw pain of banality not to cut our losses and move on. Return to Los Angeles after my semester in New York, and we continue to live together as we prepared to put our house on the market. We were amicable to almost absurd degree so much so that I decided I'd move back to New York at least for a year. So less we remain emotionally entwined, never at a loss for conversation. We continue to talk often the animated passionate probing way we'd been doing since our first date until the minute I got in the car and drove east at the time I assumed the extreme amicability of our divorce made us lucky, whereas other couples fought bitterly. We just sat next to each other and cried. Whereas other couples changed locks on doors and let legal fees burn through their savings. We graciously divided up our things and did what we could do to soften the others landing. It was only later that I saw the ways in which this accord made things so much worse by peeling off the pervert. Band-aid at an anguishing pace. It was only when we stop talking so much that I realized how our conversation had been like platelets in my very bloodstream. Despite our fundamental incompatibility my husband and I reach other best friend and preferred conversation partner even at our lowest points even when scarcely day passed in which we did not fight. The was also not a day that we didn't have something interesting to discuss from the very beginning. It had been cleared that we saw the world in uncannily similar ways, and sometimes in ways different from our sprawling tribe of supposedly like-minded liberals, we shared an allergy to hyperbole, boredom with wrote expressions of political correctness, a guilty affinity for jokes, best suited to add a less boys. We hated virtue signaling before there was even a name for it. We may not have been on the same page when it came to life, but somehow we were on the same way. Link. We were for lack of a better term, intellectual allies in late summer of two thousand fifteen. We sold the house, and I took one of the dogs and move to New York City. My plan was to be there temporarily maybe a year or two, possibly three. Then I would return to LA where the dogs would be reunited and my husband and I long divorced and healed would function as both dear friends and built in dog sitters for each other. The time machine would take off orbit, the earth, a few times in land right on schedule, but there was no time machine. I had to live my life in real time and so two thousand fifteen if did slowly into two thousand sixteen by then Hillary Clinton who was obviously going to be the next president of the United States was talking about white Americans needing to recognize their privilege. Even when Clinton became the democratic nominee, the residual heat of the Bernie Sanders campaign under. Scored the souring divide within the left Clinton supporters chalked up any opposition to their candidate to misogyny. Sanders, holdouts blasted Clinton as an establishment liberal with troubling ties to Wall Street that there is truth to both sides hardly mattered since cable news and social media lacked the capacity to metabolize more than two food groups at the same time. Meanwhile, the identity politics game that the left had been playing a mostly amateur level for decades, had officially been elevated to professional sport by the right, it's most valuable player. Donald Trump would soon win the presidency by that time year had passed since I left my marriage, my husband and I were still spending a fair amount of time on the phone together. Texting photos of the dogs are running through our usual talking points about the things we've been chewing over since we've met a meld of politics, cultural observations and personal gripes that could really only be descr. Arrived as the problem with everything. It wasn't the best of times, but neither was the worst. The state of our marriage seemed hopeless, but the state of the world seemed at that point relatively intact until suddenly it wasn't. The night of the election. I sat on the sofa watching CNN and exchanging text with my husband. The first text for me to him, said something like relax. It's still early the last hours later and from him to me was one word. Wow. I hardly need to describe what happened over the next year. Racist became more racist, sexist hardened into full blown massage. Innis intern, those fighting their bigotry too often instituted their own kind of tyranny almost immediately. The resistance became not just a frontline against Trumpism, but its own scorching battleground to be frothing with rage over one thing met being insufficiently aggrieved over something else. If you were worried about women, you weren't worried enough about blacks. If you March for immigrants, why didn't you show up for the scientists? For many, there was no amount of outrage that couldn't be outdone. No, woke nece woke enough. Amid this crisis, virtue signaling went from a kind of youthful fashioned statement to the default mode of public and private expression. Twitter headlines wrapped themselves in the banner of social Justice. Even if there was hardly a social Justice angle at all new crops of journalists, many consigned to online opinion writing knew all too well. The career advancement depended on clicks, which in turn dependent on feel t to the woke narrative from NPR to CNN to dinner parties, gentrified, Brooklyn. You'd think the only allowable conversations were the ones in which facts were massage to accommodate visceral feelings of leftist outrage. Sipping my Rosa in the parlors of cobble hill Brownstone, I'd hold my tongue as the permissible opinions ricocheted bullets off. The eleven foot ceilings, of course, of Lucien is psychology is bullshit. Of course, the conservative columnists in the New York Times are nothing that privileged retro. A grade troglodyte s- bring nothing to the table whatsoever. David Brooks should fucking retire already amazing cheese. By the way Zimba I'd say this happen every time I went out, but the truth is it happened about half the time, the other half of the time. If they'd had enough to drink people confess the truth, they were getting sick of the term gas lighting. They thought the pussy hats at the women's March little silly. They didn't love Tana, hussy coaches book as much as they knew they should not that any of this stop them from indicating the exact opposite on social media. There was simply too much at stake to do otherwise. They said, apparently, any admission of complexity of threat to the cause nuance was a luxury. We could no longer afford a still talked with my husband, but our conversations were growing shorter, though. The problem with everything remained an inexhaustible topic. The signal along which are wavelength traveled was growing weaker. In the spring of two thousand seventeen. He called me and told me he was in a new relationship and that we couldn't talk as much as we had been. It was a gut punch but also necessary and long overdue, I thought about calling a friend but decided instead to console myself that evening by watching a two hour interview on the Rubin report. The guest was Brett Weinstein, a biology professor who recently been embroiled in a bizarre racial controversy at the ultra liberal evergreen state college in Washington after opposing anti-racism event that asked white students and staff not to come to campus for a day, student activists, hard Weinstein as a white supremacist and hounded him to the point that a safety was threatened Weinstein, and his wife. The evolutionary biologist Heather hiring who also taught it evergreen would eventually leave the school and go onto become core members of the intellectual dark web. But at the time of this interview, he was just a guy who'd been thrust into the media following a traumatic professional ordeal and who seemed harried enough to forget that it's glasses were hanging awkwardly around his neck during the entire two hours. He was also mesmerizing. I watched the video at my dining table while drinking half a bottle of wine. The next night I watched the video again. And finish the second half the bottle, let the record show. I was not completely without a life I taught. I traveled. I stood at podiums and gave readings for my old books while trying to write a new book, but not having long conversations with my husband anymore had left a sort of white space in my life as if there was a missing block of text in my line of vision at all times without quite realizing it, I cram the space with the wonkfest gladiator games of classical liberals spewing off against bar, left identity, politics on YouTube. At some point, Brett Weinstein's brother, the mathematician, economist, Eric Weinstein, wandered onto the scene with a physics based theory suggesting that institutional gatekeepers like mainstream media universities and eating large corporations, discourage complex viewpoints by labeling. The holders of those viewpoints as bigots idiots are both Eric Weinstein, alas. Was the one who would go on to coin the intellectual dark web label when the brother sat down together for a two hour forty, seven minute interview on the Rubin report. I watched the segment three times over the course of a week and why not free speech. YouTube was what I did now, instead of watching television and very often reading books, listening to music or cleaning my apartment. When a new Lowry mcquarters blogging, heads video went up. My excitement was such that you'd think it was nineteen eighties, New Jersey and Springsteen had released a new album at Columbia University event featuring MC water called identity politics on the left and right for which had seen a Facebook posting hours earlier and high tail myself to campus as the late for an exam. I lingered afterward and fawned over MC water as though he were the boss himself. A simplistic reading of the story might suggest that I had been red pilled that term which came from the movie. The matrix originally referred to being awakened into some vaguely defined realm of politically incorrect truth, though it's now associated with indoctrination into the outright and any number of related and troubling subgroups. But I found the red pill concept facile at best and not just because the conspiratorial overtones weren't my style. It wasn't truth. I was after it was that pesky nuance thing I would have taken equal if not more delight in criticizing the political, right? If there was anything remotely interesting or surprising about doing so, but bashing, the right, especially in the age of Trumpism with easy and boring, the conversational equivalent of banging out chopsticks on the piano. Inspecting your own house for hypocrisy was a far meteoroid -ment. As with James Baldwin's line, I love America more than any other country in the world. And exactly for this reason. I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually. I felt an obligation to hold the left to account because for, oh, my frustrations with it, I was still of it. So this was no red pill that I had swallowed. It was more like an assortment of pills of varying colors and sizes when combined properly these pills produce the desired effect of making me feel less crazy. Just as often though the pills would make me slightly queasy for every free speech youtuber who had me cheering at my computer screen, there was one I wished would just go away the conservative journalist. Ben Shapiro, for instance, seem to me little more than a run of the mill right winger who just happened to be willing to have respectful dialogue with his ideological opponents. Why exactly was he and the club there was the problem too of Jordan. Peterson's growing presence, riding the wave of public controversy over a piece of Canadian legislation related to transgender rights Peterson had come into public view primarily as an abrasive critic of identity politics. So the problem with the fractionation by group identities, it's endless. There's no way of Cherki quality across groups, cutters incident, number of groups, you can frightening group identity, all the way down to the level of the individual, which exactly what you should do, which is what we already did in the west. We figured, well, the ultimate diverse population is population of individuals. So you let the individuals sorted out no-no replace that with group. What that means for the bloody social activists is that they'll be able to play this game forever because you can continually group identity at nausea. And so the system will never be equal, and you can be sure that as we implement social policy to make sure that all comes equal, the amount of space that you personally going to have to do version is going to shrink and trait and shrimp in train. We've already seen that happen. In many societies, you think we would learn from the twentieth century. That won him fans among all right types and other haters of political correctness, and landed him in lots of compilation videos in which he was said to own various s j. Ws and feminists Peterson is more thoughtful side though, had earned him a place among the free speech YouTubers some of whom became obsessed with him and talked about him constantly intern. My obsession and constant talk about free speech YouTubers. Put me in the position of defending Peterson, if not his ideas that at least his right to exist most often I failed in these defenses since I couldn't understand what Peterson was talking about half the time today. Peterson's hybrid persona of philosopher, king anti PC. ED's Lord has made him about as famous as it's possible to be while still being a cold hero. He sells out large venues on international tours. He's believed earn as much as eighty thousand dollars. A month on patriot. But what was Peterson exactly a self help guru amends rights champion a grandstanding transphobic see deserving of as yet unretired New York Times columnist David Brooks characterization. Actually, he was quoting the economist, Tyler Cowen of quote the most influential public intellectual in the western world right now or was Peterson as one headline, put it a stupid man, smart person. He's all of these things and none of these things. I said, people are paying attention to the wrong parts of him now that he isn't calling attention to the wrong parts of himself. I don't know, stop asking me but keep asking me. Don't ask the people who don't understand him even less than I do. I was going a little crazy as is often the case with super fans. I was not only disbands follower, but also its protector. It's not this album that matters. I'd tell people it's that one. Forget the hit single and listen to this. No, it's not reggae. It's Scott. There's a difference one night in two thousand eighteen on the cusp of a late spring snowstorm. I went to a real life meeting for people who are interested in free speech YouTube. The gathering had grown out of Quillet a new online magazine that billed itself as a platform for free thought and which had probably discovered within minutes of its launch. I look forward to the meeting for weeks hoping I didn't run into a scheduling conflict, even vaguely planning. I would wear the RSVP Liz suggested there would be disproportionate number of very young men in attendance. Many of them Jordan Peterson, acolytes exhibiting rather alarming levels of worship, but that didn't. Bother me. I wanted to connect and learn. I wanted, as I said, when I introduced myself to really dig into things with people who cared about this stuff as much as I did, it turned out that I had dug further than just about anyone. There were at least a couple dozen people. The meeting, most of them exhibiting high levels of free speech. YouTube literacy, but for all their familiarity with the guests on the Rubin report and Harris's podcasts, I suspect my mastery had them beat tenfold. Their knowledge may have been thorough, but mine was granular for every name they cited as someone who's ideas really interest me. I hit back with ten more for every free speech YouTube channel invoked. I could rattle off several. No one had ever heard of. Eventually, I got the feeling that I was talking too much so I headed home. The sky was heavy with waiting snow that night. I left the meeting and walked up lower Fifth Avenue in the darkness. There were few people on the street. Save a handful of last minute. Shoppers gathering rations before the storm school had already been cancelled for the next day. Street cleaning suspended offices closed. It had been, I realized, more than three years since I'd hunkered down for the snow pock lips in that Brooklyn apartment watching blogging heads and grieving over my imminent divorce. Amid this thought came a devastating epiphany. Over these years, I'd weaned myself off the long conversation of my marriage by switching over to the long conversations of free speech YouTube. It wasn't just political loneliness. I felt it was the loneliness of partnership. Ended a dialogue converted to an interior monologue. Having lost my human intellectual ally. I tried to rig up new. Lie or ho group of allies. The internet videos also wondered this maybe my bloodlust for left on left. Warfare wasn't just a petty indulgence, but a substitute for the warfare of my marriage itself. My husband had been at once the best thing about my life and the worst thing he kept me sane yet drove me crazy. I wasn't so far gone as to draw a literal comparison between my marriage and my relationship with free speech YouTube. But there were ways in which they were mirrors of one another. My free speech, YouTube friends, functions as intellectual allies, get disappointed me as often as they bolstered me as much as I was energized by some of the quieter voices in the movement like MC water, hiring, and even scientists storing Alice Drager, who left academia over censorship issues and has been embraced by intellectual dark web types. Even as she's shoot membership. I was growing. Jerry of the self conscious clubbiness of the whole thing. It was as if some of them were having experience of high school geeks who had suddenly been led into the popular club, they couldn't quite believe their luck. So they got matching tee shirts and wore them every day. It seems kind of contradictory to consider us a group since the point is that we are all bad at groupthink Drager wrote on her blog by way of explaining why she chose not to participate in the New York Times article. If the idea is that I piss people off by being disloyal to my likely tribes while I don't think that makes me unusual. I think it just makes me a good intellectual. A good intellectual, maybe, but being a public intellectual or what passes for such thing today requires viewpoints that can be represented by hashtags and squeezed snugly into nine hundred word peds or hot takes. When I began writing an op-ed column in two thousand five, a hashtag was little more than the pound sign, new press for more options on a phone menu in all the years of that gig. I was well aware that I could raise my profile considerably by trending more predictably to the left or right. In recent years, I've more than once. Imagine what it would be like to share a stage with my free speech. YouTube friends ever remember how good it felt to where those matching college wet shirts at the pro choice March in Washington. There's a part of me that would love to put on a t-shirt and ride off with my friends into the intellectual dark web sunset. That's sunset, looks a lot like an in home podcast studio or an invitation to an ideas festival. But if there's anything I've learned from divorce, the divorce from my husband as well as the divorce from the illusion of ideological kinship. With many of my friends, it's at the more honest we are about what we think the more were loan with our thoughts. Just as you can't fight Trump ISM with tribalism. You can't fight tribalism with the tribe nor I've come to realize, can I count on nuance in the public discourse to save me from the confusion inside my head? Maybe all I can do. Maybe all anyone can do is try to keep nuance as a private practice, a silent meditation, a personal out to be renewed, at least once every twenty four hour news cycle, maybe all I can do is accept that the story is neither a romance nor break-up story, but a love story in the truest sense, it's the story of that rousing fleeting moment. When you hear someone say the thing that makes you feel less alone. Once again, that was Meghan Dom reading nuance, a love story, which you can find on medium along with the rest of the August issue of our monthly magazine at medium dot com slash great escape, and Meghan is here right now with me. So Meghan, I love that your piece is so different from the usual narrative about people getting divorced or going through a break up. You've got rom coms, you know, empty ice-cream cartons, but not you. You are nurturing out on the intellectual dark web wine. You think that you were drawn down this rabbit hole. And do you think you would have been drawn down it if you hadn't been going through a break-up? That's an interesting question. Probably probably in certain ways. I mean, I've always been pretty counter intuitive thinker like I talk about in the piece being an opinion columnist for more than a decade. I was always trying to find the kind of surprising corners. And ways into looking at things. So I think I certainly would have been interested in the conversation. I don't think I would have been so obsessive about it. I think what was really going on with that? I certainly had all this free time all the time that we used to spend watching Netflix, you know, had to be replaced by something. So I think it was circumstantial as well as just my overall temperament and interests. Okay. So here we are an you wrote that you were raised with middle-class, democratic values, politics are divisive as ever. How do you classify yourself politically now? You know, I can't. I cannot possibly classify myself. I think that's one of the problems is that most people, if they're actually honest and they're willing to sort of look at each issue in all cart way. I think that by definition then you cannot put yourself into into a category. I'm not I. I mean, I would call myself a liberal, but there again, people have different. Finishes of that. So I really, I think the I basically feel the same way I have always votes, but I don't feel as aligned with the sort of larger narrative. I guess that's the best way to put it. Okay. So besides thinking that their opinions were valuable, what else do you think you have in common with your free speech YouTube heroes? Explain how they made you feel less alone? I guess I, I liked the fact that they were talking about the things that I would talk to myself about their things that I would talk to husband about, but we wouldn't necessarily talk about them, you know, at parties or with with other friends, what would have happened if you have? I mean, I, it's not that anything bad. It's not that I would have walked into a party and say, hey, let's talk about the gender wage gap. I don't know why nobody. But I think I've always been as a writer. I've always wanted to take on the topics that I felt like people were thinking about, but either being afraid to articulate or not able to, I always felt like my job as a writer was to really go to those places and risk criticism and and really try to to to to express the things that maybe aren't always simple or not always flattering. And I did that for for a couple of decades. And I started noticing that that as a writer as within my sort of social life, it got harder to take on those topics. People were just less receptive to them. Somehow there was a feeling that we were in such a state of crisis and social media really amplified this that we just don't have the bandwidth for these conversations now. And so to answer your question, I felt like when I was watching a number. These people on YouTube, especially Glenn Lowry and John mcquarters that they were were having the conversations that I've been having with myself for years and trying to do in my writing for years that for whatever reason, there is not as much appetite for these days, but it was somehow there with them after you wrote this piece and it was published on medium, I feel like kind of like outing yourself in a way. How did your you're more social Justice? Warrior minded friends respond? Well, they had been hearing me banging on about this stuff for the last couple years. So I think people who know me personally weren't weren't terribly surprised. I think the people who knew me as a columnist and as an author isn't essays, all these years weren't terribly surprised. I mean, I think this gets back to your original question. Why did I frame the peace within the context of my marriage? I really fell that in or. Order to kind of take this on in a way that we'd be gentle enough, not to put people on the defensive and really elevated beyond just kind of complaining about identity, politics, kind of subject, which is boring and has been had a million times. It really needed to be about a sort of more visceral emotional experience. And so I think the fact that it was a had this personal element allowed for people to enter into the into the peace and an appreciate it on that level. And I have to say, I have, I have gotten really nothing but positive feedback on the peace. I'm somebody who's gotten a lot of hate mail over the years starting from my earliest days and so far it is just been an incredibly moving response. People say, thank you for for saying this. Thank you for taking this on. I don't agree with everything that you're saying, but I really relate to this this feeling of loneliness that you're. Conveying, and and I feel less lonely. Having read this and hearing about the people that you're talking about. I mean, what you're saying is extremely sad, that nuance can make you feel lonely. Well, it was. It was the lack of nuance that was making. That's right. So so yes, Zeier for nuance o or I guess the other thing though that struck me was many of the people the intellectual dark web are exactly that they're intellectuals who are coming from a place where they can be paid for their ideas and part of the argument from people on very left or progressive or whatever you wanna call it is that we have to go to these extreme lengths to reset what people think of that, that if we don't speak in very forceful and clear terms were we're gonna get stuck in the mushy middle, which is an writer way of describing what nuance can sometimes be right. Well, Moshi middle is sort of the word. I worst version of nuance. Right? So I understand that argument. I definitely understand that argument. And I guess I would just say that you know there, there are a lot of people who are taking that on. There are certainly there. There's no lack of of people who are happy to ride the pendulum swings far to the other side in the in the course of this, of course correction. Yeah, the course correct. Am I? And I think that's, I think it is needed in in many ways, and I think is totally valid. I guess I would just say that as an individual writer and human being, I'm interested in another kind of thing and that the fact that I'm interested in this and we're having the kind of conversations that I talk about in this piece. It doesn't obviate the other conversations. I think they can all coexist. And so I guess my hope would be that. We just kind of make the bandwidth a little wider so that we can have all kinds of discussions rather than just saying, you know, you're either on your on this side or you're on the other side. He'll use talk for one minute about less of the message and more of the medium. I mean, I would argue the podcast like these and some YouTube channels where you know you're talking about watching videos that are over to our wrong, like there's room for new us. So would you blame big tech in some ways, specifically social media for this sort of black and white destruction of detail and different shades and and the ability to have human conversations yet. And I will tell you that one of the reasons that I published this piece on medium was that I felt very strongly that it had to be long. It's about sixty five hundred word piece, and I knew that the complications were such that if it had to be shorter. I was not going to get my point across, and in fact it would be received in a way where people were were misreading. What I was saying or would very easily kind of put my story into a certain kind of box. And you know, I know from having written these kinds of pieces for decades that can very easily happen. So I was pretty clear that it needed to be long. And I think that what's great about places like medium is that you can go on, you have the space, and I think in in March, I know for fact, and more traditional magazines there would have been cuts made, and and I don't think that I would have accomplished what I wanted to accomplish in the peace nuance requires nuance to be impact and time. Yeah, that's the one thing we we. We don't have right now and I, that's what I really took away from your piece was as much as you should have, talked about how much you enjoyed watching these videos and learning from these free speech people. You also like quantified at, you're like, I don't know if they're right. I, I don't agree with everything that they're saying there are a lot of, I don't like it. Yes, we're horrible people. I would say the horrible one, right? The horrible ones. I'm not gonna put in the, there's some. There's there's the heart like Woody. There's a horrible in the miserable. No. I mean, I don't. I anybody that I would put into this category that you know, by the way, this is my own private term free speech. YouTube. I just very arbitrarily assigned that name before the intellectual dark web also problematic term came along. Anyone that I would sort of put in that category I would say is a countable for their opinions, not off the rails is not advancing. Not making dubious claims, but guess you're absolutely right there are. There are a lot of people out there on these platforms that are really kind of on the edge of of reasonableness and I get nervous about them. Yes, but you what I loved about your piece was that you quantified it by saying, like, I, I don't agree with everything that you know that this was an intellectual exercise for you and it was a coping mechanism more than anything, right? Yeah, absolutely. Meghan. Thank you so much for sharing your story, logging so many hours with the intellectual dark web, and I think you may have opened up kind of a new rabbit hole for a lot of people with this piece. Maybe I should apologize for that. Thank you. It was really fun to talk with you and thank you so much for listening to medium playback. Look out for future episodes where we will continue to share inspiring stories read by some of our best writers. You can find the new episodes in the audio section of the medium app. If you're on IRS, tap the headphone icon at the top of the app on Android, just click audio from the menu bar and you can also subscribe to medium playback ten review if your Kline, wherever you listen to your podcasts. I'm new summar ODI. 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Kohlie Frantzen  Advocate for Sustainable Hydroponic Farming

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Kohlie Frantzen Advocate for Sustainable Hydroponic Farming

"This is john swept and you're listening to discover lafayette. A podcast dedicated added to the people and rich culture of lafayette. The gateway to south louisiana we record in the offices of raider solutions a technology company. That offers offers a complete fleet of i._t. Solutions for businesses of all sizes raiders motto. Is you just want it to work. We understand if you're wondering if writer you can help your business. Please visit raider solutions dot com. I'd like to thank iberia bank for its support founded in eighteen eighty seven iberia bank. Thank is the largest bank based in louisiana headquartered in lafayette with three hundred twenty nine combined locations throughout the south. They offer the resources of a national bank with the personal touch of a community bank visit iberia bank dot com for more information and lastly. I want to express my gratitude for lafayette general health health as a katy anna's largest nonprofit community own regional health system lafayette general health is committed to restoring maintaining and improving health the communities it serves for more information visit lafayette general dot com. I'm proud to welcome to the studio today. Cody franson founder and managing partner of helix outpost colleagues going to talk about hydroponic farming something which i've been very thrilled to learn about in this the type of forming that's done in a controlled environment protected from the elements and it doesn't us soil you can grow the equivalent of about three acres of crops in a space as small mall is three thousand square feet colas in attorney by trade and he's transitions into the agricultural world and now he's a certified hydroponic assist. He also has a background in film said. I'm hoping we can touch on coli. Welcome tonight. Thank you my pleasure. Thank you for having me and thank you for having us wonderful wonderful place. I wish everybody listening can see how nice this is. It's a very impressive place. Yeah and i wanted to put an plug to we met through a._s._a. Your son <hes> tolson tolson and my daughter kelly ran the same class and i know you're still putting kids through school. So god bless you. Thank you very much. You got a lot of lettuce to sell. Yes you do so so look. Let's <hes> let's jump into this. I guess i with your background. You grew up in lafayette and your dad's some people may have known dan franson then he was a founding partner in stone energy sure you've been familiar with processes and entrepreneurship throughout your whole life no question russian no question growing up in louisiana particularly in the late seventies and eighties coming of age was a unique experience for those of us that have any memories left of that time <hes> but it was an amazing place to me and growing up with the <hes> with the tutelage. If you will of a wildcatter you you learn to chase your dreams. <hes> this a any kind of adversity that <hes> reliably shows up when i wanted or expected the i've heard about that wildcatter mentality and that's what you're doing now you moved back here after katrina with your family and five and and you've practiced law that's correct many years that's correct <hes> you know <hes> in many ways <hes> leaving new orleans and losing using everything which is what we did we lost resources time treasure talent a lot of that is imbued in what we do today with the agricultural <hes> stuff that we work on it's all related in many ways and looking back that time of our life that was much of a curse ended up being a great blessing because it brought us onto lafayette <hes> as an aside one of the jokes that we always tell is that prior to katrina. I was a prosecutor in new orleans principally involved with juvenile and i'll delinquency. I used to come home at night and asked my wife g were raised four children in new orleans different place to be when you have children when when you're single and she used to say our kids are in school here and the only way we're going to leave new orleans. Now is an act of god so a running joke. Now is why didn't we we save win the lottery say act of god but it really was. It's been a blessing and joy to be back right. So you practice law. <hes> you were familiar with the oil and gas industry and your heart was touched. I guess to get you into hydroponics. If you can tell the story kind on of a i guess a high level overview of what led you to even know what hydroponics is sure about five years ago. I was approached by some friends of mine that in my former life as a <hes> somebody that wanted to go into the film industry <hes> these were folks that i've kept in touch with over time but they they were all friends of mine that were doing films back in l. A. and they reached out and wanted to do an effort to repatriate employees returning combat veterans and as we were driving down a million people overseas <hes> the idea was to give them a vocational path rather than benefits path and the the goal is to put these folks <hes> into <hes> hydroponic agricultural jobs and i was very skeptical <hes> and <hes> as it was explained to me hydroponics <hes> means you know generally growing out of the soil <hes> but you grow in a controlled environment that can mitigate the risks six that can bury most farmers and <hes> you get much more high volume high yield out of the process so so all of that intrigued me enough that <hes> i wanted to know more and i was assured that there was a path to go train <hes> in southern california it was a six week course and i was still quite skeptical because my wife is from rally which is a farm town and <hes> so i said sign me up and six weeks later i graduated from the course of the certificate. I know i'm glad you brought that. I'll have to get a picture of it certified. That's right that's right and that's one of many. I had a lot of paper. Paper came out of that was a really wonderful program. Particularly involving <hes> transitioning service personnel six to nine months before separation from the military so there was a lot of really wonderful paper that came out of it congressional <hes> documents with fancy seals and <hes> just so happens the one i grabbed today the certified hypothesised ripon assist <hes> paper but <hes> long story short. I went through it and came away with <hes> <hes> conviction. If if you will that the idea of hydroponic growing makes a lot of sense that theory behind it makes sense and not just that it employs people but that it correct get into that i mean it's sustainable annable farming that's right and so my takeaway quite simply was going through it basically to due diligence to see if we could actually work on my attitude was if you can teach me how to grow something the thing then you can teach anybody because the best thing i can grow as weeds <hes> flowerbed to prove it marijuana that when you say hydroponics and everybody everybody thinks you're growing lettuce that's right so <hes> my takeaway from that experience was the theory was wonderful. The execution was not so wonderful <hes> meaning the training we got was a lot of theory and theory doesn't pay the rent so a lot of what we study where soil types types <hes> root zones and when you're growing hydroponically you're not in the soil to me. It was a frustrating kind of allocation of time because we're studying things that will have no bearing airing whatsoever on what it is. We're supposed to do and the whole time that i was in this program i was the only civilian and a class of thirty people roughly the general takeaway myself included was i just want to learn how to get trained in something and get a paycheck work really hard. You get the standard operating procedure and i'll do that. <hes> <hes> there was no standard operating procedure because in the world of act. There's no standard. Do you know coli. You went out to california. California is hydroponics something that most states are using or is this something that still vero. There's no question it's evolving and you know as a starting proposition. It's helpful to to think about <hes> technology which really goes back to the hanging gardens of babylon right. We think hydroponics japonica some new hippie technology well. The hanging gardens of babylon was an irrigation project that got plants out of the soil and climbing is <hes> you know miracle right and really what it was was an era gatien effort to do hydroponics so it's an old technology <hes> that of course today has been buttressed or built onto by modern technology so the technology is quite old so he'll outpost. Is your company <hes> now. You've got a partner dylan radical saying that ride <hes> who was a former m._s._n._b._c. host and go. I think going back into t._v. With us <hes> would you explain what a pot is just for people that are listening and may still be going. What what are they talking about. You grow vegetables. I don't i i want to give give them a picture of what we're talking so what you see right now if you talk about pods and growing in pods a lot of people think you're growing inside of a shipping container shipping container saner forming has been kind of <hes> of vogue technology that captures everybody's imagination shipping container. It's got pink lights in it and mandy push a button on an my phone and things spin it. It's very captivating. That's not what we do. <hes> our approach <hes> really is a standardized commercial farm. That's loaded into a container so a container shows up on site. You opened the doors. You unpack it and set it up. <hes> and you leave the container on site. It's modified fide <hes> to be safe storage for food safety rags <hes> and also to be a point of sale for a community so if you drop it into a community you've got away to have food production on site water filtration <hes> satellite communication and power production all in the same spot that can allow people then to come on site right and purchase the food. That's grown there or in fact. Bring their own stuff to market. So what we talk about is really straightforward forward those that are driving and stuck on the chap eliah basin right now we're talking about is a container that opens up in a big greenhouse sets up next to it's that simple and so what types of vegetables we're looking now. I know you brought basil and lettuce. What what do you grow and grow currently <hes> we grow several oh varieties of lettuce <hes> a green oak red oak and a <hes> a butter leaf lettuce and we also basil we grow micro greens tomatoes <hes> and that's that's our our laundry list at the moment <hes> to date. We've grown edible flowers. We've grown spinach. Kale asian blends blends <hes> beats oddly enough which we didn't grow of course 'til fruition but we grew them and transplanted them outside into the soil. I'm trying to think we've grown heirloom tomatoes. We've grown peppers. We've grown cucumbers. They take root like how does that's great. Craigslist says work. That's a great question so fast once. They're in the pod that's right. That's right so when you're growing hydroponically whether it's binding crops or whether it's leafy greens binding meaning your tomatoes cucumbers peppers <hes> you will typically have some kind of a medium so for our tomatoes. <hes> we use. Yes <hes> per light. Per light is a material. It's an inert little like almost like little white rocks and you see him. Oftentimes in potting soil in that is as i understand it something left over from quarrying operations when they're doing limestone so leftover small pieces iraq that we put into a bag and then as the plant takes off it gives the roots something to have structure that's right. It has no nutritional tristesse value or anything like that. It's simply there's a nerd substance to allow the roots to grow <hes> and then the water that's added that has the nutrients nutrients so in that case then what you have is you have plants that are out of the soil. They are in a growing medium in that medium something simply to let the roots bind onto you as water then as trickled over those routes with nutrients to deliver the nutrients to the plant and then on the leafy green side <hes> we use oasis which is a pre cut. It's almost like a sponge. It's a little rectangular material. It's the if you buy flowers. Oasis is that little spongy material. It's often and the vase that the stems are sticking into <hes> we use a version of that. That's designed for hydroponic growing which we really like because its pre cut and it's is very easy to work with. You could also use cocoa. Husk is a common thing you can use soil. <hes> anything that allows the roots something to bind to <hes> is what we use right and so the water come back over my notes while you were talking about that hydroponic farming uses a lot less water than mcgregor forming and you've got it filtered two thousand gallons or something. I'm trying to think what i read or well and letdowns technical but maybe it's not that's that's right yeah and to bring it back to the audiences focus right. We're talking about a big rectangular greenhouse sitting next to a shipping container okay and inside the greenhouse for the leafy greens lettuce. You have a big reservoir water and that water has several hundred gallons. It's got nutrients in it. There's one pump and that pump pushes water and nutrients <hes> around a table and it goes up to the top of the table on the tables at a slight lean so what happens is the water in the nutrients start at the top like a little hill and it rolls down to the other side of the table where it's collected and sent back into the reservoir. It's called a recirculating system so that was part of what really appealed to me and the whole world of of this effort was well gee we can use ninety percent less water. I mean not as commence you know and there is still some water loss. 'cause plants do sweat and it's called evapotranspiration big word it just means plants breathe and sweat sweat like we sit here is still some moisture loss but it's about ten percent conventional agriculture and in the world of conventional china lag. If in fact you're you're putting water down onto the ground with nutrients. It's very expensive water because he's got food in it and gravity will pull that water down and it once it goes below the root zone that water and that that's lost to me part of what really excited me about this hydroponic effort is you're mitigating those areas that that you know these inputs that are ordinarily very costly and don't always get allocated efficiently to the roots may spray it on the crop and they may run the wrong direction in may go away from the roots so in the case of hydroponics. You're constantly delivering nutrients to route twenty four seven and celebrates celebrates the g the growth that's correct the plants and then i also read that you don't touch like you have to work gloves that right you keep everything that is correct that that is correct you know part of <hes> you know as we talk about getting people into farming <hes> there's there's a very lovely fairy tale kind of image that we all have in our minds minds of usually a child sitting on a pumpkin with a dog in a field which is every violation of food safety that you can probably think of dog killer and the kid sitting sitting on the bump you you know instead of reality isn't part of what our approach is ben in. This whole effort has been. Let's really figure out what it really means to be a commercial farmer summer. Let's let's deal with the food safety rags and when we say we're going to crank out something that's going to do all these great things well. It can only work if it's got commercial value and if it's going to have commercial value we're going to have to come in under the food safety greg's <hes> in so in our case everything that we do <hes> is gap certified. Meaning u._s._d._a. has gap which is stands for good agricultural practices. That's about as fancy as you can get right gap certified <hes> <hes> and <hes>. We're very excited about that. <hes> it's it's. It's a complexity. There's no doubt it's it's costly <hes> to be gap certified now. The going rate to have an auditor. Come visit us two hundred and sixteen dollars an hour. Gosh there's only one auditor in the state of louisiana. She's in hammond so when we have a food safety audit we're already six or seven hundred dollars into it by the time she even gets to our farm to set foot on time travel time gosh so if you're in treat board good luck right and i learned about you from zach mcmath a new an attorney and zach we've had on the show talking about acadian of food hub and how technical it is to stay in compliance with the u._s._d._a. and state and other local and so that's when i put all this together about how how safe and sterile hydroponics was sure kelly. I want to just take a second. We're gonna keep on this topic. Wanna thank the advocates here. In acadian they promote vote our podcast they promote news of at twice a week and i wanna thank adam day goal and the whole business team here lafayette acadian advocates so um anybody out there if you want to sign up to the advocate dot com and sign up for their daily newspaper and i will follow on that and tell you that i'm a proud subscriber of the advocate not and <hes> back when he was still there david docu <hes> had mentioned on facebook <hes> he asked how is it that you can spend ten bucks a month on net flicks and not spend a little bit on in your local paper and it drove home to me <hes> that i sit here all day long bragging about local and you should buy local but then i wasn't buying the subscription so i am proud to say that i have a subscriber now and support local local news is important as local foods. I get it every day both online and in my yard dr they probably not a good consumer but i like my puzzles on paper so so let's get back into this. I'm picturing okay. You're talking about the sorority the the water that's used <hes> there's no dogs in their little garages and pumpkins and all that so this is something that people of all ages can learn and i know that here here in lafayette at john paul the great there is hydroponics. That's right farming going on. Can you talk about that and what the kids are learning a no show absolutely that's right. When we started this whole effort might take away from the farm school. I went to <hes> gee this great theory but horrible execution and what our hope was apply oilfield thinking to an egg problem and you know oilfield. I grew up in a everything designed to be set up rapidly onsite. Do would you have to do and then get out. You know as fast as you can to go to the next site. Everything is designed to be standard. Operating procedure on packed unloaded setup torn down reloaded shipped shipped away. That's the thinking that we wanted to apply to this problem that i experienced in this farm school which was one of the best schools in the country <hes> and so when we started it never been done before you know so you can't go to a bank and say hey bank gives us a loan and the bank going to say hey. Where's your cops. You know there isn't a cop so we had to start somewhere and in fact we were gonna start at the head of the school there paul baker walked us around and we had a great site picked out <hes> however where we started ultimately was a was a wonderful sight <hes> in many ways because what we had done was prototype so all of the trades that would do the solar and the plumbing and all that just happened to be around the corner from the school and the other side of it was the school had cafeteria which <hes> the other school did not <hes> because our big concern was g. This thing works. We're about to crank out a lot of products. Where are we going to go with that and so <hes> the other side of that location asian. There's it's close to the carmelites. They have their own garden and in fact i always joked with sister. Amy i said the longer you pray over here. The closer we get to the carmelites and so we ended up there and of course it was close to saint joe's diner which is how we started and that's what i read that that was one of your first iraq tie-ins and are thought. Was you know just like wild catting. You've got a ninety percent chance of failure <hes> and if you're gonna fail doing away helps the school <hes> and unfortunately it has not been the case in fact we've done as what we had hoped to do which was set out to prove that there is in fact a market people go by what you what you grow. How long has it been in john papa great well. It's been running for about three years. Okay it got there probably four years ago and then we worked on it and had lots of false starts and you know things that expectedly unexpectedly presented new issues to learn and so we've been there growing about three years. There's now a campus people that aren't familiar with that. That's like you said ri- by catholic diocese carmelites carmel drive and there's no question it's a blessing thing to be there and small school absolutely k. through twelve and they're growing growing growing and enrollment and everything else yeah oh sure here <hes> wonderful school and <hes> we're very grateful that they would even have us <hes> you know it is an imposition but by the same token can wear our focus has been from day one is how do you get this to the next generation and it's an important thought because when we started all of this stuff what knocked me out of my war and practicing law was i went to this farm school and expected to not learn or anything and while i was there it dawned on me and what was taught to us. Michelle at the average age of farmers is sixty years old and rising and there's nobody coming in behind behind the farmers to pick that up so if you extrapolate that time forward twenty years we don't have farmers. We've seen that locally sure farms how how many people they it's. It's very tough. Listen a farmer and <hes> and then the concern was nobody's coming behind it so a lot of the folks that we started this with one of that was a gentleman named scott corn berg who died <hes>. His company has american hydroponics that we're very proud to work with. They've set up science barges in the hudson river. They've setup rooftop growing huge installations all over the world <hes> all the way down a little ones <hes> and scott's big argument. Was you know if we're going to get to the next generation and we have to put it on their terms. We have to be able to get to them and i've amended that now. My comment is we're going to get to the next generation. We gotta make it at least a sexiest sexiest snapchat because that's what the kids are on these days when they do that arming sexy i mean this looks like a lot of fun. Now looking at the kids ads. They're enjoying no question no question. The big issue that kids are gonna run into today. Is you know they don't want to be with the creepy crawlies. They don't wanna be with the worms and the weeds in the bugs and because i could be on snapchat so that's your opportunity cost. How do you get them to get past najat. Well a lot of what we do. What we've been very excited about with the kids is is by growing hydroponically. They're out of the worms and the weeds and mugs so they start. Everything's table height. You don't crawl around and get into all of that in its high volume high yield right so how high vying like what can you grow in a pod that makes a lot of that question no question we're doing on hundreds and hundreds of pounds a week out of a tiny little spite and that's just we're we're only using a portion of the growing area. You know we have other stuff allocated to tomatoes and things like that so you can get quite a bit out of it and you're always seating. You know every week you see. I'm gonna be seating after we finish here today. My next stop is back j._p. With hundreds of seeds to go plant and are the prices on the east like the cost to grow it. Kelly is comparable to buy organic. I know that they're now labeled organic. Even though they're not growing soil it's where they can be right. We might have to allocate a whole another hour just to talk about organics and hydroponics. The simple answer to that is there's a big issue going on <hes> for people that grow in the soil that don't necessarily sarah like hydroponics being labeled organic and then there's a lot of things that have to fall in place just because you grow something hydroponically doesn't mean you're organic. You know we'd you'd want to look at the nutrients that you use. They're going to be what's called. Omri listed meaning. There's an organic forget. What armory stands for but you see. If you ever lose on the thing it'll say omri listed in the organic pesticides section. They may have to be like a separate designation temporarily. That's what they're talking about. The u._s. has struggled struggled. They have struggled for years. When i went through the training i went to a certified hydroponic organic beza farm and then a couple of years after i graduated ed hydroponics could no longer be associated at all with organics and then the last year to come back out and kind of reverse their position again. I guess it's the national organics board that has come out and they have now allowed it again so this thing goes back and forth whether or not something's organic organic or not but it hadn't been in the soil. It hasn't been sprayed with <hes>. That's right how all these chemicals sure. Produce mets right with so and it's an important thing. I guess one of the things we're talking about it. You know now there were on it <hes> when we say organics right. Most people say is something organic and so if you ask them. What do you mean right. Nobody really knows. I mean as a as it's not a legal challenge. It's it's really what's the definition and if you ask anybody today like if i asked you today what is organic what is that. I think it'd be cleaned without chemicals right. That's correct and that's where so many people come in with this. What i mean is clean without chemicals. I say it's correct that you know what you think. It means but i don't what the u._s._d._a. That's why organic started by the rodale way back <laughter> gosh. I can't remember how long ago it was and the rodale institute is here today and they still do wonderful wonderful work and a lot of it flows from organics which is a process right and it's a process that nurtures the soil. There's a whole universe of living things in the soil. We we really want to care for that and over time. Our agricultural practices have included people that inject liquid nitrogen into the soil and they'll do it over a tremendous amount mount baker age we freeze dry everything in the soil so now all your beneficial worms and you've beneficial insects. They're gone so you're killing the soil before you come down and put down the home of your your crops and then you have to put a lot of nutrients in all these additives that are designed for that process so organics in many ways was designed to avoid all that that's nurtured soil so let me say something organic. We're talking about a process but over time. It's come to be acquainted with the product so today when you see the organic on a label. He says her gimmick. There's the label. It's like a mercedes benz logo right. You see it and you know. It's organic must be the best that's right. It must be the best. It must mean. It's chemical free. That's another one everybody says well. Everybody knows organic is chemical free well. If that's the case they would be no organic. Pesticides section at lowe's reality is can't they're spraying chemicals all over it but it's on omri which is a list of designated products safe that you can use and get the label able and the interesting thing and it's one of my visual aids that i did not bring today and i would invite anybody listening to next time you're in lows go to the organic gardening section and pull back the warning label on organic pesticides and look at all those warnings. It'll kill fish and make your honeybees. <hes> you know not consume it. Don't put it near elders children animals right but it's unrealistic and you can use that and that would be allowable should get an organic designation so head of lettuce grown hydroponically versus a head of lettuce grown organically <hes>. I don't know if you know this. Do they have the same nutrients known if this doesn't derive itself from the soil nutrient density is wonderful back because you're not an issue no <hes> and now where people might get you know if they want to get into the the distinction of the hyper technicality of nutrients than you may want to say. We're using omri listed nutrients. That's another big issue. Let's say that so our experience with omri listed nutrients has been they've been unpredictable at best i and evolving field that's correct one of the areas that i think <hes> we're very excited to at some point explorer would be see how we can use louisiana sugarcane to make our own omri listed nutrients you know but it's like you only have fourteen hundred forty minutes in a day so you can't right can't do it all so i know that you source you. Source your lettuce and other things to whole fate. That's correct so are the prices comparable bull like hydroponically grown sure laddis is at. I think i was getting at that earlier. Is this something that's even higher end or is it a no question emily or cost it depends it's going to depend on your store in california where they have so much grown everywhere and maybe cheaper and different like here in louisiana you may find and that it's more expensive for organic just because to get at here and all of that a lot of that's going to be a function of food industry itself. You know it's really not a distinction so much on organic versus hydroponics. It's really gonna come down to economies of scale in the source of the farm. You know a lot of these farms farms have thousands of employees down in mexico cranking out produce as fast as you can imagine and it comes in and dump trucks and gets onto a conveyor air belt and gets shredded impact and so when you have that kind of an economy of scale you can bring in product at a lower price. I mean that's just the nature of it and i know that she also source for many local restaurants. If you wanna touch on that <hes> i'm very happy to <hes> we would not be here our without our local restaurants starting proposition. It just wouldn't happen because when we started <hes> ah game we started on a hope and a prayer and and we were homeless company serving homeless people. That's pretty much what we were and everything like that. I mean that's really it comes down. We were campbell. It was a tremendous gamble lake a lot at night <hes> and still do still kinda laugh and say man. I could have been an title attorney on this. One working in the air conditioning getting paid at the closing closing not bad and that's no disrespect to title attorneys who also work like crazy. I've yeah i've seen how hard they work as well so <hes> at the end of the day though when we started we we didn't know <hes> and it's really funny and and i will say this now. I've been at it long enough that i feel more comfortable saying it. The farm school that i went to was sponsored in part by whole foods they had a whole foods forager there as part out of the training. There's a thirty minute documentary on it. They're all over it. Let's forager forager okay so a whole foods. You have folks that it's their job to forage they go out and they i find product <hes> at the time <hes> what was told to us was if you go through this program and you come out as an alumnus alumna of this program you're going to be on a preferred word vendor list at whole foods <hes> so that's great how far and so fast four years later you know we're talking to afford you hear sound okay. Look we've done it. We've started in the forger here so there's no such thing we win preferred vendor list so so it's kind of a a come up its message and and it may be you know i i don't. I don't know how to look back in time and resolve that other than perhaps the company was so big that perhaps there was and this one region there wasn't across the country because you're dealing such a large group so in many ways that was a blessing for us because we had to go back and get on boarded traditionally so there's no way that you can look at that and say oh well since you went to this farm. You had some magic wand that got you in far from it. We had to work and go through multiple levels of of an on boarding process that was very difficult <hes> but we're very proud of that because whole foods has a very rigorous food safety plan in place and when you know you're just you're not allowed in the door unless you can deliver safely so for us. That was a huge step. The other side of where we were was also at the at the school that i went to they had a representative from something called pro act proactively national distribution distribution co op up of all these food distributors around the country. Every state has one member of proactive in this state capital city in the pro act representative representative was telling all of us twenty nine military folks and one civilian that if you build greenhouse call your pro act member and they'll back the truck up and you'll live happily ever after okay fast forward a few years and call up capital city say hey went to the school and the proactive reserve said you guys will send the truck and gentlemen over there correct you know and that was also because the gentleman i was speaking of their said hey listen. I don't know who you spoke to but i'm the business office and that was sales sales people lie this business and we can't justify to stop for an economy scale versus a certain size gosh so all that is part and parcel y se we wouldn't be here today without in restaurants because what what what was what we quickly realized was that there is no magic bullet so the only way that we could survive and live the fight to get to the point where we could actually make the case to whole foods and and say listen take us on our merits not on our story <hes> was through the faith of our restaurants while they're really wanting to to sell farm-to-table no questions. There's no question and so for us. You know our first big buyers cafe josephine sunset chef troy up there who is every bit as rigorous as whole foods <hes> <hes> was huge and remains huge for us and then social saint st on blue dog <hes> before that dr rue <hes> <hes> <hes> cafe bread and circus pamplona all of these have been incredible and some of our finest restaurants no question no question and it is a it's. It's a real blessing to be able to go through the back door of these restaurants. You know it's funny before i did all this. I didn't realize it was always a back door into a restaurant now deliveryman i i am i am i wear all the hats certified delivery guy too. I saw that other certificate and so in part we're doing at incidentally really has been when we started. It wasn't just approved that we can have this neat widget or gadget. That drops on goes all the stuff. The reality is if we're going to ask people to grow with it. We have to walk in their shoes. We've got to understand what are these folks going to be dealing with you. Know how do we grow. How do we get stuff and delivered you know and <hes> you really on the very front end of what could happen. This could be just that was leading industry. I know that's your goal and i also the no colleague that while you're trying to sell what you're doing. You also have a heart. Were you want to help people that are in food deserts so we're talking about a commercial endeavor or that also can help change people's lives. There's no quest chiappa dollar general only because there's no other store in the area no question <hes> i mentioned beginning of this show that you know i started in jefferson parish at gretna manhattan at at the juvenile justice the center and my take away when we were going through that i used to talk to the engine indigent defense attorney across the table every day would sit across table from each other and inbetween calling up one case to the next the next to the next we would talk and the things that we saw particularly with juveniles <hes> was that they had so much potential essential it. They just didn't have a shot you know and in these communities look my running joke was give me the juvenile drug dealer they can do. Fractions wins in their head. They can convert grams two ounces. They understand time value of money. They can market. They just don't have a legal product. You know if we can shift and create a better alternative well. They can put all the skills to work doing something that then can build community value you know and so in a lot of these places <hes> that was an exposure that i saw that i would love nothing more than they get back and bring fresh produce and job cities communities they recently had over in mccomb visa a they had a big grant came through and i went to attend department of transportation meeting at mccomb visa and they put up these big whiteboards and and they asked everybody that was in attendance from the community. Let's list the top ten or top twenty things that you want if if money is now on the table and the number one thing on that whiteboard was produce. It kind of blew me away. I was expecting mortgage assistance. That was number. Two number one was access to fresh food because it's easier to get cigarettes. That's an alcohol and a lot of these communities than it is fresh food so there's no question that what we're working on would have import and it would be you know a dream. Come true to be able to deliver right <hes> that kind of value to these communities that need it the most for people that wanna more. Where should they visit. We we have a we have. Our best site really is facebook and instagram kinda. We've learned over over the years that we prefer to be on social media. You can see a daily log if you will of everything that we do <hes> we do have a website that <hes> is very informational almost too much information formation and we're in the process now updating that and streamlining it so that if you look at it you don't get a shotgun blast. It's some of the technical things you were talking about. I think if people can look at those these pictures shirts he'll post or he'll local culture you look a holdings dot com and you can see really overview and much of what we've said here today <hes> but the things about the solar panels and all the all the technical details. I think if they can visualize you know look at the pictures and karrar more. I i really encourage people to go. Look at your side and spread the word about this because it's something mainstream people just. I don't think we're aware of it yet and the potential pencil is limited. Thank you for that you know and the one thing that i guess i would add that is as we've looked at all of this. Our approach has been a standardized approach approach to farming <hes> that can mitigate the threats. <hes> you know the weather the worms the weeds the chemicals <hes> all of those things that we've taken. We've done that in an environment food safety meeting <hes> u._s._d._a. And of course the f._d._a. Has its own rags. They have something called bismah. Which is the food safety modernization act <hes> which is on us. It's coming and he's a great things but they're enormous barriers to entry for new young farmers. If you don't know about it you're gonna find out. What about the way that we did. You know you're going to blunder into it and realize oh my gosh. I got to do all this. We welcomed all of that in an effort to detangle it in demystify that in a way that can move stuff forward and the reason i say that is you know at the end of the day. You're right on that. A lot of people haven't quite embraced it yet and part of what we're seeing today is we are in a state of change. <hes> state of climate change as we saw in new orleans where a lot of people joke that we're the early adopters of climate referees climate ed evacuees rather refugees climate migration is the word i was looking for that was given to us by loyola marymount out in l._a. L. a. and we were talking about this stuff so congratulations where the early adopters of climate migration in louisiana but this help people survive have fresh food it allows us to have something that's that's flexible right because if if you go and you build these massive factory farms and their cemented into the ground one hurricane wipes it out you know and so the reality -ality is if he can start distributing agriculture. You can have a lot of impacts that can bring value to our communities. One of the things that we see here and part of what part of what i brought with me brought a whole box of visual aids and one of them is <hes> is a is a state. It's it's a hundred and fifty one page page document. I wanna rifle that. People can hear what one hundred pages sounds like a microphone and that's a procurement guy from the u._s._d._a. It's called procuring during local foods for child nutrition programs. It's what binds public schools to buy in any school that wants to bind by local <hes> we'll find on page thirty five of this one hundred and fifty one page document just what they need to do. No they have one headline that says using local as a specification nation is not allowed so one hundred fifty pages of this document designed to get around. What's on one page at a document says. You just can't do it so far. Procurement regulations haven't quite caught up so when you say we haven't the reason i said wait into all of that is where we are today. Is we are at a point where the technology is such that we can distribute agriculture and we can bring it local so one of the things that we see here in lafayette for instance we feed roughly thirty thousand kids kids three times. Maybe four the kids go home with food from the pantry and your child nutritionist may not know where that foods coming from too big issue right and it's that way all across the country you know a lot of these folks don't know where the food comes from and if you call the distributor and say hey where's my produce coming from they'll tell you it's shit from salinas. It's like well okay but where did it come. I'm to get to salinas right no so part of what we're looking at doing. The effort here long term would be to allow your nutritionists. If we're going local. They have a key to excite as long as they sign in and checking visitor log for the u._s._d._a. Happy for their inspections. They can come twenty four seven and confirm. We're not using chemicals and they can see our cleanliness. Make sure we're our safety. Plan is being followed to give them traceability and accountability today. The other side of it is <hes> if you look at our educational system right now under c. t. which is career and technical education. There's only one pathway forty seven. That's egg agriculture agra scientists three lease that what it was what it was last time i looked at the time the teachers hadn't passed the test yet. 'cause was new <hes> and one of the things that we look at is is how do these kids vocational careers in these trades and part of the way that they establish a path. Is you gotta show that there's jobs then we can justify. I haven't a career path well but if there's no greenhouses and the way our then you're division by zero so a lot of what we're looking to do. Long term is to solve these issues that can help evolve our communities and our buyers and get them informed to where we can start scaling it out so that was a very lengthy the thing to say. I hope i didn't put you ought to sleep with that. You brought several books. If you wanna mentioned under you brought some interesting <hes> i did a couple a couple of things. I just grabbed on the way here. Recommend people look at <hes>. You know there's a great book that i did not bring called last child in the woods which is probably one of my favorite books at all of all in that research was done by a gentleman that researched and what we've seen historically in our community which is our children have a._d._h._d. Obesity diabetes all these things. I'm in the argument is that we started off as a very agricultural animal right twelve thousand years since the neolithic revolution. We've dealt with the irrigation and agriculture. That's been our identity in the last hundred years. We've dropped it. I mean not just subtly we are out. Snapchat people just disconnected disconnected so the premise of that is that as we have just suddenly disconnected from what's been our identity for so long we're seeing anxiety and all these issues and it's incredible health issues yeah. It really is so that's that's a book last child in the woods. I really look at and i just happened. Grab one called headaches which is it's an interesting story one of the things that i'm very happy to say that we've done is we've taught public schools private schools. We've taught veterans all ages in one of the more interesting things was ahead. A group live oak academy in baton rouge or lavaux middle that reached out online and just had been reading. A book called hammocks alex h._d._d. That's right. I'm sorry that's her name has had the author's name and the focus among the hidden among the hidden and it's one of these near future kind of apocalyptic apocalyptic kind of things and the premise there's you can only have two kids or only one kid. I forgot what the magic number is so the families that have to break the rule have to start growing extra food because government monitors how much food you're buying so if you're buying more than what two or three people should have so in these folks resort to hydroponic growing that that way they can do that and so these kids middle school would just happened to redesign science fiction book and then reached out to us and we had a virtual class. You know we walk them through ruined. They set up their own little hydroponics in their class and <hes> so i'd drag that because i guess the point why barack brought that along was you know kids today do have an interest in all of that stuff and they've really quickly. That's right and so the way that we can start getting back to these kids to bring it. All full circle is to bring it back on their terms and <hes> one of the things that i think is of interest. We talked earlier about kids that don't want to get into the worms in the weeds and the bugs right the traditional experience of raised as bed growing as you throw the seeds down out. It's a lot of work you ignore. It turns into weeds right well. When we grow the way we grow hydroponically clean. The kids always have instant gratification but even with the instant gratification and almost guaranteed success because nothing's guaranteed but over time the kids because their kids and they're hungry to learn they'll start saying well. Hey can we plant acorns can be plant beats plant and then that's when you i know you've got a spark when they start asking hey can we and what sets right so one of the things that we've always been excited about has been the times that we propagated beats because we'll just say let's go. Let's find out so we'll start doing that and beats or a root crop so at some point you're growing these root crops out of the soil. They start getting too big yeah to handle in the hydroponics so then the kids will say hey. What do we do next and then you throw it back to them. You know i don't know what do you think they'll say. Let's go outside and plant them in the soil all right so then when the kids take that outside you find out that then the kids are okay with the worms in the weeds and the bucks now they're invested in their beeped compared for it and they've made a deal at that's right now to theirs and so the reason i get into that is because hydroponics really is not a replacement nor will it ever be conventional growing growing but it's a supplement that can get these kids to the you know the next generation interested in growing and it can certainly have needs in those areas that need it. Mike resource limited resources things like that <hes> my mother-in-law who's a former mayor of crowley used to always joke with me. She'd say you know here in crowley we farm. We feed the world with what we farm. You feed the neighborhood but then because the default he's thank you but within she always qualified it saying but there's a lot of neighborhoods need feeding and that was always our point was there's a balance and all of these approaches to agriculture that none as a replacement for the other but rather they all have a fit so where we have focused the last few years really has been to address address. A unique need to deliver a fit and those areas that need it. It's beautiful and i'm so proud to have you on his show. Thank you very much. There's a lot to cover. It is certainly hoped that haven't scared your listeners. Though i do have one interesting question before we give jason. Do you have questions today. I have one word we know. We're we're. We're overtime but i do have one question asking. I've got one. I'm going to close the show is is there something that you haven't grown that interests you you that you might do in the future <hes> asparagus. Oh that's one that i'm we're dying to grow <hes> our issue with the spirit is it tends to have a long time that you go from seed to actual first harvest and some cases it can be quite long <hes> and our issue right now. Is you know we're space limited so we really a focus on those areas that are restaurants really need right so our next step as we evolve is to find the next location that we can really scale up and do what we wanna addu and that would be one awesome. I like that thank you for being here. This has been fascinating. Thank you thank you for having me. I'm glad you're still awake. Thank they don't even have a cup of coffee. I really wish that my wife and my father would have been here because do amazing green thumbs and they had a ton of questions for you honey that you say i will say this. I know we're over time but i mean if you're editing stuff you can perhaps figure out what you want but one thing that we also have seen in all of this process is when we talk about veterans. We've had war veterans that come out that it's the most amazing thing to see. I'm not a scientist <hes> but i can tell you as a layman what i've observed. There's been a lot of these folks will come and they have memory issues. How would they can't remember dementia but as soon as they get their hands on seeds it cascades back suddenly suddenly they're back on the farm talking about how they grew up in cecilia <hes> propagating camelias in in it's amazing to see that the parents parents are parents. My mom grew up on farms and you eat what you kill and we don't know that today so it is it's a lot of fun for parents to come back to and it's part woah love. All of this stuff to is. It's multigenerational it not only do we have kids that can follow farmers. We can connect them to the to their elders which is both the really is. That's awesome well. I do have one question. I know in your early career way before hydroponics and all these other legal things yes you were out in l._a. And you saw a young brad pitt well. I wanted to get that in. I didn't see a young brad pitt what we did. Was i fell into the film industry <hes> after when i was at l._s._u. Started an oil company and i started with my dad so that would be a whole another story for another rainy day and i learned to hate the oil industry because my risk tolerance was not my dad's however my take away from that was g. I didn't go into banking. I didn't go into insurance aren't got a finance degree. What do i know how to do. I know how to deal with the crew of people. It's always getting injured. Maybe blowing things up sounds like the film industry absolutely so i got into the film industry thinking well gee if it's going to be a ninety percent chance of failure just like drilling at least your worst case scenario is you can go sell to germany in japan and you don't necessarily do the environmental damage so maybe you can get back your budget and that's really how i started in the film industry after l._s._u. You so we did three films three. You never heard of but they did very well. In japan and germany and one of the film's films was written for brad pitt by gentleman named sandy tung <hes> who was a director that directed him in his first show called across the tracks with ricky schroder who was at the time time the bigger star and sandy wrote the script for brad pitt but then by the time he wanted to make the film brad pitt had already done thelma and louise and he was long on <hes> citizen so this was a script that had been floating around we made that and in fact to bring it off. We'll circle some of those folks that are involved in that the ones that reached out to me five years ago and said hey listen really like to put some some veterans to work full circle. It's beautiful. Thank you very much franson with he'll coal outpost look them up online and <hes> i wanna thank you for what you're doing for our community and for the world and <hes> jason sikora thank you for taking us here in raiders solution. I'm here and to our listeners. 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Dr. Shelly Hoover, Author of Timeless Sisters, ALS Advocate, On Making the Most of Every Moment

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Dr. Shelly Hoover, Author of Timeless Sisters, ALS Advocate, On Making the Most of Every Moment

"Hey everybody coming up on today's episode of the virtual couch. I interview a friend. A mentor. Dr Shelly Hoover. She's a wife a mother a grandmother a daughter a sister sister a friend. She's a veteran author and educator in an advocate. It's what she does in. Its who she is and in two thousand thirteen her neurologist older that she only had two to five years to live and after a year of trying to figure out what was slowly happening to her body. Shelly was diagnosed with a LS. or Lou GEHRIG's disease some call it. The ice bucket challenge disease but from her website site. And I quote whatever you call it. It's a fatal diagnosis with no effective treatment or cure yet. I have much to live for and I'm determined to live and gratitude and joy regardless of circumstance stance. I feel alive while I'm encouraging others to live their best life today. She talks about her book. Timeless sisters and she truly does does live that message. She feels alive when encouraging others to live their best life. And I think you will be more determined to live your best life after hearing this interview today. I can't wait to share this with you coming up next on the virtual couch. Hey everybody I'll make this quick now as a therapist myself. Of course. I recommend that everybody get therapy. A try truly. We're all hanging onto some things that would be helpful the processor. There's things in our life that we might eight. Maybe we thought we'd be cheap by now or things that we desperately want to achieve so that we won't live a life full of regrets or there are people listening right now who maybe noticing that their anxiety or their depression is getting a tiny bit more call it amplified the longer it's left untreated. Oh it yourself or those around you and your spouse or kids and actually gets really the most important person in is you to at the very least. 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Recovery Dot Com and a quick story to stress the importance of the kindle version of the book. He's a porn addict. Now what it came out about a week or two ago because I will be very honest. I know that there have been a lot of people that say. They would love to read the book people that are struggling maybe with some sort of pornography at problem compulsive sexual behavior or it really speaks to the trade the spouse that is going through that sort of Disclosure of that experience as well well but they don't want it laying around on their coffee table so the kindle version has been selling very well but I just was in Salt Lake City over the weekend and I just last minute of corset through a couple of copies of the book because I was speaking at a podcast festival and a couple of other events and I throw them in my carry on bag. You probably can already see where this is going. This is such a true story. 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So I am like a sponge with all this is content and And have loved it so I am so grateful for those types of reviews in those reviews to help get the podcast in front of a lot of people. So if you have a moment in there something that you feel like you would like to share then please feel free to leave that review and a quick. Thank you to everybody who came out to hear me speak in Salt Lake City over the weekend I spoke at the outlier podcast festival which was a wonderful group of fellow podcasters and aspiring podcasters there to collaborate and share ideas and then I had an opportunity to record another episode of Kirk Franken's podcast leading eating saints and the topics that we covered I think is one that it is truly needs to be talked about in honored. I'm grateful that he asked me to help him address the topic and I know that sounds a bit like a tease. But I'm excited for that episode to Air and look for that coming in the next few weeks. If you're not familiar with leading saints I would highly recommend you. Go look at that gas from Kurt Franken and maybe bench little bit on the back catalogue and get yourself caught up and then I finished the weekend by speaking to a wonderful people Sunday evening on a topic. I am passionate about compassion. Empathy love self acceptance anonymity a and make that talk available soon so look for more information on that if you want to be the first about when that will be available it won't be released as a radio episode so just please head over to Tony Over Bay DOT COM and sign up for my newsletter. And you'll be the first one to know where to find that okay so today interview. Today's episode is I interviewed. Someone I can honestly say is a bit of a hero hero of mine. Her name is Dr Shelly Hoover and Shelley and I met around. I think it was two thousand twelve when she had taken over as the principal of my kids. Middle School Glen Edwards Middle School also known as Jim's you'll hear US refer a little bit to gyms during the interview and Actually let me read a post that I made on facebook prior to interviewing shelly a couple of weeks ago so I think this will set the context for the interview so in the post I included a picture of Shelly in I in assistant principal named Ray and then my wife wife and we look a little bit cell Tori were standing on the track. I think at some point during the day on in in so I say this photo was taken on from May Fifth Two thousand twelve at the start of believe what was the second year of my then. Annual gyms twenty four hour track track and event designed to raise money for the school the first year have been a bit bit bumpy but the second year we really hit our stride. Thanks to the new administration that will come in and brought an incredible amount of enthusiasm and positivity to the school heading that administration was new principal shelley the hoover and I believe it was at this. Run that Shelly. Did a few laps around the track one on one with me and we talked about what the event would look like well into the future and still reading post. They don't but it says don't get me wrong at the start one of these events. I was off the wall excited in full of enthusiasm. And they're on that track. I felt I had met someone that can truly or they could easily top my positivie Timothy. I mean I have the timing right. She said that she intended to spend a lot more time on the track with me the following year. I believe it wasn't too long. After that event that Shelley started showing symptoms of of all and from there shelley truly been an inspiration being incredibly open about her journey while tirelessly advocating and fundraising for the cause and to top it off now. She's written a book. The timeless sisters now available Amazon. This weekend I have the honor of interviewing shelley about the book her journey and her life for this podcast virtual couch and ask shelley. It'll be okay okay from you. Put this on facebook in hopes of getting additional questions for the interview and she said no problem so I I had people reach out to work those into the interview but she truly is inspirational. You're you're interview from her website Shelly. HOOVER DOT COM. She writes in two thousand thirteen. Might neurologist told me I had two to five years to live I was diagnosed with the amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or ls also known as Lou. GEHRIG's disease some call. That ice bucket challenge disease. She says whatever you call it. It's a fatal diagnosis with no effective treatment. Or cure yet. I have I have much to live for. And I'm determined to live in gratitude and joy regardless of circumstance. She says I'm a wife mother grandmother daughter sister and friend. I'm a veteran and author and educator in an advocate. It's what I do it's who I am. I feel alive when while I'm encouraging others to live their best life. Thanks for being on this journey with me so please follow the Lincoln the show notes in this interview and I highly recommend buying book timeless sisters. We talk a lot about that. In the the interviewee also again talk a lot about her journey. The diagnosis the challenges. Even the stigma that she feels when she's around Others In how she how she can turn that around some truly inspirational expiration things. You're going to hear today and I think that the book is incredibly well done but Definitely will be prepared to leave your own life and your circumstances a little bit differently after hearing how shall he puts her own life in perspective. So let's get the interview with Dr Sheldon and I wish I would've gotten so we're talking with your tongue behind your back. Taos has impact my mouth okay and so the muscles in my town are actress so I sound like I've had a couple of glasses of why for my tongue is tied behind my back. Yes is your is your mind is going a million miles an hour or so is that it's hard. I feel like I sound intoxicate. No kidding or like I have Intellectual challenges which which is about the funniest news thing in the world have your career and academia right. So it's it can be very humbling but I've always said I spoke to quickly and just slow downs. This is a way to accomplish that. Make it work. Yeah so okay if I even go out of order then right because you I love where we started there because obviously I wanna get into your book but there were a couple of quotes There were quotes in your book. Timeless sisters and I love when people put the quotes before a chapter was that hard by the way to find the right quotes. No I spent probably probably way too much time looking fo- but I I think words are so powerful. Oh Yeah and carry a lot of way and I wanted to give the reader in the right reference you you nailed it. I mean you did so maybe I'll jump right in with what you just said about with your speech and even people making assumptions about you. You had a quote in here. Easter Seal Society. Righty you know which one I'm talking about right. The worst thing about a disability is that people see it before they see you spoke to me I mean what. What's that been like for you? My joke that when my got into the wheelchair I lost about forty points all just like like the way people made or interact or people will make decisions for me about where they go or out how I want to participate and now I am right here right. Give me those decisions decisions. Yeah South so I assume good intention yeah. I don't think people purpose we do. That are be even Janine experiences. Where always so nice seeking get out? It's like a long curse out. That'd be a nice place to jump into the book to talk about Janine so timeless sisters about Janine Cora and is it on a day to day I'm a day. He and they live in the same North Carolina town centuries apart. And I'm just going to read this little blurb because I think it sets the stage and I have in in such a good book Janina Modern Day. High School teacher loses her career in the identity entity in the face of a devastating illness and I think we were joking before I think I know I guess where you pulled back right Cora and enslaved person during the civil war flees the yarborough plantation after families murdered and Man I didn't know it. We get into a so quicken that when two right right in that first chapter when we when we meet core. And then she finds refuge in Mama Hattie's house will encounter the killer years later and Amadeus a Cherokee before the European invasion loses a child and her husband leaves and she finds unlikely. Mike Love Lana River Adventure and returns to trouble at home. So talk about. I've never I wouldn't even though I'm so excited to have this kind of interview with you. I've never had the MPR type Komo chilly. Tell me about your inspiration. We'll tell me about what brought this all together for you. Well I think it's the overarching theme is the importance of relationships and we all struggle regardless as of gender at in this ity century. Yeah it's kind of the human condition and we were. We're faced with choices. We can't necessarily change what happens to us but in how do we've respond. Yes and where do we choose to live in bitterness denial anger or for and I think we live in all those places through a process. Okay and then. Where do we live right and I choose joy gratitude and with the book the women encourage each other? That you're not alone that we have each other and we can encourage. They're fine jewelry. I like what you're saying to and this is tipped me and maybe this is a I should have figured this out earlier but each one of the main characters right things has happened to them. I mean so they could have an essence said you know. Throw their hands up and well. What was I supposed to do right so I mean so talk about? Maybe we jump into you Janine similarities. You know what was that like right in about Janine. Her journey with us us through following Uber's running was by story. The diagnosis process. Okay was was my story really. been that frustrating ill yet a year. I mean most people in now because I had we're lamp and something's wrong with my hip in getting all jokes. Lie Ready Right. It's like Oh yeah But I think where we different is. My Life's journey have prepared me for a devastating devastating illness. So I never asked why me. Okay I WANNA not me. I have all the resources support support the. Va All these things to make my the most comfortable bowl accessible and saved journey. You could have okay so given a terrible diagnosis like LS. I have the best of circumstances surrounding ask. Our journeys were similar physically three up to the point where she dies. I know but it's the reality. I made her progression and reality more. Typical of what a person I'm with. LS would okay. When you say that you felt like things in your life have prepared you for this? What kind of things? What does that mean? Well I had ah great parents who inste- I knew no matter what happened. I was loved and and safe place to land. I had some political drama happened and professionally. Okay that nearly wiped me out but in the end it really was ah about me. It was power political play and there was a lot of distraction in the wake. Okay basically every secondary administrator was fired by Superintendent Superintendent and I find it in came out on top well but in the hindsight I'm like Oh ringing On then then journeys sell often is not about us. It's what are we going. I mean to do for others through our journey. Wow so even that bat political drama like you say you came out of that and it was okay now I have have I set the stage for others are shown others. They can do this too. And I don't go into things taking personalization eh where I think we create a lot of our own pain and drama by it making things about us. Sure when this really not about us yeah and now I always slacked and I'm very introspective. What can I learn? What can I do better? Yeah but the big picture is about me okay. That is hard I mean. Has You know put my therapist hat on. That is hard for people to not make these assumptions. That everyone is. I mean it sounds so cliche out to get them or write or I mean and you I want to say at times and it never sounds positive but I don't know if everyone is expanding that much effort or calories on trying to ruin someone else's at right and I have to tell you spoke. One time they were people that were had been divorced and they were newly in the dating world and I was speaking at a conference and I thought thought I was going to be clever and I said one of the slides said you're not all that and a bag of chips and I thought that would be funny because I was saying what we're talking about here. You know get outside yourself. It's not if somebody drives by mine. Didn't look at you. It's not because they don't like you. They have things going on as well when you see. You're not all that and a bag of chips. It doesn't really sound positive research. Something I learned in that journey is you can put as spiritual context on that and I was raised raise in a Christian tradition and so I am a child of God and beloved so much so that Jesus would die for me and I'm dust of the earth and finding balance Alice in the tension of not understanding that. There's a lot of peace in that. Yeah so I have self worth word. I don't beat myself. I am valuable and I'm death. Yeah Right which is such A. What a paradox of sorts? Yeah Yeah that reminds me of actually a chapter in the book where you're talking about it a nail salon. Where you were there with a friend or Janine was there with a friend and and just talked about kind of almost having what felt like a panic attack? Yeah in really having this. This friend help the character. Janine beat president was that based off of a real event or not of my own. Okay but I've been with others versus struggle with that. Yeah and I know the ally the people today with pressures and social media all these expectations that we've fixed the thoughts that don't serve us. Yeah and really paralyzed us. Emotionally and spiritually and keep us smarr mark. Yeah rather than living in peace and leading the light shine so did you. Did you have experiences where you had to kind of learn in those be present or mindfulness principles that helped me my ls journeys. So I guess it does relate to me in the sense of I learned I needed to learn to be mindfully present and because in my body is basically paralyzed my legs my arms and you can let your taught go nuts right and if I think about the future and while there I can't work myself uh-huh Yeah I was supposed to die five years ago and good thing to the doctor. Yeah because I have a lot of life left to live and is condensed. I'm one put the most akin into that light so so if I get to a place I process grief my half too. I feel like a mask during grief press SC. I see well because it is a story of loss loss of function loss of ability. Lots so your identity and who you see have to grieve if you don't it shows up like whack a mole. Hey good process. But I don't stay there. How do you say become kind of a master at this processing grief? Yeah what do you think is the key. Because you're right we go through so many things that do feel like lawless right. Yeah all right. Yeah and and I think it's acknowledging and I don't have to be okay it's okay you find sad or frustrated if my arms worked I would throw stuff right but again if you don't acknowledge it it's GONNA show Yellen your spouse or kicking your dog or Out It will show up so or eating your insides from stress or anxiety or however cowboy bridge shows up for you so I- knowledge it and I stayed there as long as serve IRV SMI. Okay sometimes two minutes sometimes is two hours. If it's a biggie. Like when I couldn't drive anymore I might be upset for a day but it's a practice. Yeah and so. Each time time I deal with that I can climb out more quickly. Yeah and then then look around right now in this moment what and can I be grateful. Yeah and my life is so abundant in there's so much love and gratitude the two in my world. Why would I choose to stay unhappy? But I think the key to giving there is being okay with not being. Okay can I go on a one minute just So box I love that. You're saying this when people listen to this episode so I'm a huge fan of something called acceptance and commitment therapy. Act And it's a modality of therapy. Would it says is it. It isn't saying. Hey you know your your thoughts or negative or automatic negative thoughts or just need to change and just have this completely completely different thought experience. They say that you have the thoughts you do. Because you're the only person on the earth that's had all the nature in the nurture and the abandonment rejection in DNA in loss and grief. And so if you didn't feel the way you did that something would be wrong so like I like what is accepted. It's okay to feel that way but then like what do you do with those thoughts. What are you doing? Those feelings embody that rain I call it as phase cry. Yeah and it's Release and I don't have to live live there. Yeah I can choose not to live okay so acknowledge it. It's there I see you. I'll deal with you and then what's next daft apt to find a new way of being or doing so. We were joking before I hit record about denial you kinda laugh part denying some things with my own physical limitations right now. What was that denial process like? And maybe this is a good time to go back and and I don't know why I I just want so badly to be part of this story because you meant so much when you came to the School Glen Edwards Middle School and I had shared this on social media but the year here before felt flat. This is I tried to do this. run for the kids to raise money and awareness on physical fitness. And it was okay but it was just didn't feel like the event we wanted to feel like an income shelley and ray right and and you guys brought such life into Glennon words Middle School. Do you remember what was that like for you that year when you came on my gosh I loved by goal as the leader. That school is I wanted staff and kids to want to come to school and be there and I had eh the by example and I truly wanted to be there and make plays you tell you uh how. The energy was incredible. And so here I was. I think your two running twenty four hours around this track and I didn't really know much about you. I just heard such amazing things and and and not only were you there. But you're like I'm running around the track right. Do you remember that. Yes they did. I don't remember how many laps we did. We had a couple of weeks. The I felt way shape and made the commitment to run and I remember in you spent the night there. The track motor home. I think was there and I mean it was incredible and I think we shared some conversation there and you all right next year I'm homerun quite a bit with you right and then I show a year later and ran with you in my. Yeah so what was do you remember. How long after that was that experience? Did you have the first signs of it. Well looking came back I was having them then. You okay the first time I really fell lead out like gin need India in the book was that August. Oh so just a few months lanna. Yeah and what would you remember. What was that experience stories? Why just thought it was getting old? I mean had always been active but I was four six. I thought well maybe I'm slowing down. And and then not. Knowing was the worst part art. Okay it was because once I knew whether it was at the okay now I can make a plan. You're right but the year ear of limbo is really A. There's no biomarker. It's a process of eliminating everything. How wow and I was perfectly healthy okay spy MRI scans? There's nothing wrong with with you and I'm like why my fallen down and then I was begging to be validated. Okay what was that like. How so what was Alec? 'cause I literally but falling losing strength and doctors but do theiring airings Zander's and there's nothing you want somebody who's just tell you. Here's why some. Yeah I remember after Spinal Tab. Were the a lumbar puncture praying it was MS 'cause if it wasn't I knew then it was probably going to be a okay When you found that out what was that like I mean I was a longtime? I've thought Valium Invincible. I've never been sick. Never had in But being an overachiever. If I'm sick this a it was. It was devastating because most people die within a team so and I thought wow I've got not a lot of time left okay. I'm an outlier. I'm pass my six year and they five is a really long life life spans so I thought well there's a whole now. Yeah there's Treatments in trials where people are getting out of their wheel. Okay so I hope is a strategy. But it's it's a fuel. Okay hopes of fuel are you. Are you participating in some of those kind of I have. I've done happen. It does in different styles. I've actually had disease too long. They don't want me in trial their job. Okay and it's and further numbers. Okay so is that another okay. Just back to present isn't what you can do now or right and I think if I keep myself. Physically emotionally mentally spiritually only as healthy as I can then they less wife to fight that much harder a little bit gimmie down. Yeah Yeah so what you'd mentioned earlier I love I love the I love when people really turned to faith. I mean. What's your favorite like? I mean that's been has that been challenged. She said that you've never really had the why me why in the why not me right. Yeah is been a process. I I think becoming someone who you would call severely disabled From a very capable functioning I cynthia as given me empathy a level that I don't think you can have without about being in that position so i. It's been a very humbling process. Where even from a religious vicious perspective? If I thought I had figured out the Marin known now is I I don't know I think I have my Face that gives me strength. 'em The purpose but boy is from someone told me once you can't be humble Without feeling humiliated all awhile. Okay I thought wow yes. True Right. Whence zere flat on the ground late that it gives you a different perspective so I would see yeah my faith is been a stronghold of Things to more. It's that foundation. Yeah of stone rather than singing. Yeah Yeah but I practice of that. I've moved around the little simply because I'm looking at life from a very different perspective. Okay things is that used to be really important and on my radar Don't even show up okay and is that one of those where you set. You mentioned you. Wouldn't it's one of those people wouldn't know what they don't know I mean right exactly. So is that hard sometimes to even express that or talk about how things have changed or shifted. Yeah I think my community has shifted. I'm probably a more liberal in my thinking now not necessarily politically liberal in terms of love. Grace and not quick to judge is. My life was pretty good. Kim My privilege accessible world and so I I don't I don't place judgment or expectations on others and may have in the past and I love that and I actually. I appreciate the interview going on this. This is so I mean I think this is a little touch a lot of people's lives as well. I mean in kind of going back to that this acceptance and commitment therapy modality oftentimes. They can't lie and I'll kind put out there too. I feel like when you mentioned earlier. You have a savior that died for you. I feel like that's where I kind of tap into that as well. That's kind of the Pitta me of that atonement where he died I for us. 'cause he's the only one that really can understand what we are going through because until we're in that situation right we don't know what we're GonNa do or thinker feel or so. I love what you're saying is a lot of people. Do find easy to kind of judge even if we say we're not right because we're from this place where well I mean. They should just think this. Feel this way or a man until you've been in a situation like that right. How would anybody know? Hey Yeah No. That's I love that the the concept of You know so we Kinda talk about denial Do you feel like that. Denial is far as in in your book. I mean how did you write that into the book because I think your characters. It's like they almost all had to process pretty quickly fast. Moving which is so thank you could have been a lot. I think that I think the person with the most in denial Tom Right genes means has been was like this is even happening. Yeah as he's watching her did cheerier rate. Yeah because because he can't handle that right so I was like what he had to do in his mind and it can rise of things which ironically is to deny almost. Yeah and and I don't think that that's a bad place to live. I don't know it's helping to stay. Stay there but it's a good protection I think. Sometimes we call it experiential avoidance. So you know it's like I'll go do this thing or this thing with this thing and the brains almost saying no. I'll deal with that when things are better but right. It's this ambiguous better mean though so it kind of keeps us away wait from present moment right. Yeah can and and I think that is where we're supposed to be. I laughed that even my first grade teacher. I remember the conference. Shelley's really smart. She has a hard time Holding still and always moving always going and now my physical body won't move. Oh Yeah and my be still and that Anka right. Wow Yeah. I've read at that a hundred times but because I'm like I can think I can even remember that one but you know what that means right. I mean I think it means be still okay. I did it for a few seconds. I'm good good but all of a sudden is that maybe an example of how faith can shift or those things can take on more meaning. Yeah that's that's beautiful. Yeah in what I hope. I play for divorce but hope and live in that. Everything's GonNa be I five. Yeah and today everything is talking about now even thinking about having to sit still all right and then the the writing process and so we did that. Make things easier or harder to have that much you know in your mind. Oh my my brain goes at thousand our and my eyes type. You know a ledger. Every three three seconds okay. So it's called the I guess technology in love it. It's a surface. This tablet with a camera that follows in my eyes and my eyes become the mouse right. Click Double Click. Click and drag right. Click and then I keyboard. I look at the ladder and dwell on and it will select the idea how okay now I feel bad. Hey tell me some long winded answered so we got lots of time okay so then that writing process and I knew so I started. I couldn't wait to ask you questions. The door we want. But when did the book idea I come to you. What was that how long? How long does that process known since into my earliest memories that I was going to write a book was undone deal in my head and Dan? I had no idea what it was about. I figured it would be educational. Or how do we close the achievement Gavin. The you know where my mind always was and then I. I'm always my greatest joy. My my whole life has been. How do I help other people see how amazing the are can? They see need themselves through my eyes or even better two. That is God how amazing you are when the world is Beetham. Emma there is no humour amazing. And have you can do great things and whatever that means to you and so was gonNA write a nonfiction how to find joy and gratitude you. Nobody was to be told what to do. You have to make a story okay. Sounds like payroll okay. How do you take bad circumstances overcome And how do you Change the tape or the plays in your head. That's not the story you want. Don't be living so start. Thinking about grandmother's sisters. These characters popped into my head okay and when I'm meeting. I HAVE TO MED or get this story out. So they walked around around with me for stream for years the process I had to learn how to write creatively verses academically endemically. Thank goodness academic. Writing is off how did you. How did you learn to be creative with with your writing because it was? I was telling you before we reported my wife and I were reading the first chapter together and and it was just like man. This is good it was really just again. I go back to pebbles in the Palm Dan with the oldest and the smells and the day all that and do that. Well I read a okay. Listen to podcasts. Cast and I think I got many Lake Institute of finding our writing you know just by reading and listening and then writing all. That's awful. Aw I got to go back and B.. I have rewritten the books. Several because the first draft craft was awful and it didn't have character development in that type of thing it was so I had and after probably the fourth or fifth major rewrite instead characters left. Oh thank talking. Oh Wow okay it must be good. Okay Okay I was worried that was GONNA be way. Where did they go? It was good. Well Yeah Okay so now. Let's talk about the first of all is North Carolina a significant to you know not personally I've loved the eastern band of Cherokee. They have a very very interesting story. When the trail of cheers was going on they were able to work with with the federal government and basically these are by their own land? Okay from the government is called the Quantum Boundary Andrea is still there today with a tribe of people and I thought what strength thanks and character and connection with the Earth and I've been fascinated with the simplicity implicity and richness of their my. Okay then I spent a year learning. I could about Those people and I'm wanted that connection to the river. Okay so may Sammeng their people. Oh they're the that makes a lot of sense to when you were writing about iodate. It's on a day. He Yeah I'm a day. He felt like you know I wondered. How did you nail? Where even things were inside of their living quarters and the things that they did for recording and the things that I mean all of that so that was a lot of a lot of steady Eddie and then hope that the person who wrote it down and was correct? Yeah and I really wanted take on their way of life and tradition And see it through their lands and and I did the best. I could not understanding enough about their culture But had some folks read a bit and said is at least is not offensive. Okay the the back was good it. Yeah and same thing move. Cora came right. I wanted to Even with writing in the more contemporary dialogue uh-huh and not necessarily a diet like that a young person. My US I. Yeah I do want to make assumptions about their intelligence or resources on this based on okay and I don't have the The understanding or really even the right to do that. Because I'm not a part of venture venture so I did the best. I could to honor and Respect the culture. I think you did a great job. It's just neat to hear how much went into that. Because I think that's the things maybe someone would think about as as they're just reading through a book so did you say you told me four years it was from Outlying to publish was for years so is the time where you thought okay. This isn't going to make it to print or every day I think in team Fraz says. Wow that's not too bad and then you reading go on my gosh. That is garbage. The well telling myself that I could do. I think a lot of us have books. And that's yeah and the only thing that separates raise those to publish and those who don't is a dog kid perseverance to get at over and over and over like now that you've done it you've like you could do it again. Oh Yeah I've got a book half done and another one in the works and and hopefully I've learned a lot the first round none that I'm won't make planning joining or mistakes I didn't i. Yeah are you talking about your next books yet or are we all yeah. I'm writing a book with my mother. uh-huh well about my grandma. Okay do you WANNA short. Yes okay is in Ruby shoes reaping reaping was actually the catalyst for the book about Grandma's. My beloved grandma. I'm wanting to be just like it's amazing. I call them my grandma proverbs thirty one so in Ruby Issues Ruby is moving into an assisted living center and going through boxes with her great grandson and they find a box of shoes and each chapter the grandma pulls out shoes and then tells the story. Oh behind the ships and so that has been so fun. My Mom's in Tucson but we ride it together online and then the sequel to timeless sister. Okay Good Hamda obviously left right. where she steve finds her mother's Talisman and it's going to be about the Chicago fire? Oh Wow okay so that comey and awesome. I don't know if you saw my tweet that went viral. When we're there's a little bit of colorful language yeah ask you my SAS and so I've taught somebody was asking for is dead? I love you know. Twenty year olds. Who are great? Let's Goodson people who have lived life and so I thought well heck yeah. I'm I'm a grandma's for fifty four years young. I'm a batch friend and just publish my first bug and I type type that bleep with literally and twitter went nuts. I'm bored panda. And so so someone commented you have to write a memoir okay and call it. I type so that'd be good. Well I both for Okay I was GonNa ask you about that. So that's fine. I'm glad that we got to that. The two so are you. This is so good and underway there. I'm so excited there's GonNa be a sequel to the IT. Can I go to another quote that we talked a little bit about. I want to jump back to identity. Erik Erikson in the social jungle of human existence. And again this is. What's that you had before the chapters anything's? I'm just pulling this out of thin air raid In in the social jungle of human existence. There's no feeling of being alive without a sense of identity entity so how why here's the therapists. Tell me about that because I wanted to say is your duty shifted. What does that mean like me about that? What does that quote mean to you? Why did you choose that one? I think we all year earn for as sense of purpose. And and how do I make a difference and to whom and I want to have those. It was really a question of legacy right and as we all traveling the river then I it looked like right and I was always showy the chief jer shelley the principal the real active high energy on the go. Somebody told me once you can judge the worth a principal by the wear on their shoes. Oh well and they yeah. I went into a lush is so now how is my identity. And that's kind of Janine. Was the queen of the wolf bag. And everybody's readies favorite teacher. And who is she now. Yeah and what's that going to right so I found I can instill served my purpose of loving and encouraging other people from my chair or with with my eyes and I've even recording my voice so if that goes okay I'll still be able to type life with my eyes will speak in that voice so all of it in through that process. It's it's more less about what I can do and more about who I can be. Okay yeah the again and I hate to go back to this therapy modality. They talk about your values are really about your. Yeah the things that the sense of being or so in in those. We aren't living by values values. Then that's when we feel like there's this almost this disconnection in Iraq were always chasing after what other people think we should do or say or feel or I mean that sounds like this is a way you continued to tap into your value of of being Do you have any. I have to ask you to the I love how you just said the wear out your shoes I mean. Do you ever memories of gyms that come to mind and a lot of people that are going to listen to this. We're there that day because I do remember not it just tracks stuff. That was pretty incredible. back in those times I would go to try to promote the run from time to time. You never in your office where would you go. I was interest everywhere classroom. I loved walking into a room and I will never look at the teacher because I know they're doing their thing and I'd say are the kids doing are the gauge. Are they interacting. I hope they're out there C.. In run into show more friends something they discovered or but I couldn't Lead a school from the front office. Okay right emails phone calls. Those can happen when the kids are gone. The Do you and forgive the this concentrically shade and a little bit cheesy. But I mean. Do you have advice for people that maybe are hearing this. And they're starting to deal with things like a diagnosis or or maybe this shift in identity or do you have advice for them remember. I think the Gosh excellent question I think you have to take time to kind of rift slacked and give yourself time to not be okay. Okay I got to be mad and it could the stages of grief like the Russets I and that's linear for us. Exactly right and then for those. I'm I'm so glad Mr Dabbas right. Denial anger bargaining depression and acceptance. But you're right you can go back and forth from those all the time bounds of the in line right so I it goes back to among the first things we talked about in that. It's not all about you. And that's a hard pill slum because we're so ego driven and and we're like a toddler of course it's about me and I don't think. LS has anything to do with me. Me Yeah I think it's as circumstance And Life is hard life is fair life visit. Vaccines Chuck yes. And the do with that. And it's ah very empowering to understand that I'm in control of how I respond and how I I choose to live that. I'm Victoria's not a victim as long as I stay them or hugh listeners. If you choose to stay victim you will be dependent on outside in influence to change your situation right but if I'm not a victim of circumstance circumstance then I'm the man who gets to choose how to live a respond. Are you familiar with beautiful by the way Are you familiar with the M Scott. pex The road less traveled this book so that one starts out by saying life is difficult and then once we understand life is difficult in the fact that it's difficult no longer matters right. I think you just sum that up because now it's like okay. There's the given so now what we do about it and I just love that you're living in your your epitomizing that. Thank you so much for joining me. I was I've been wanting to interview for a long time. And then that book came out and said Okay this this is perfect and then I had I just. I don't know I didn't even realize how much your book would flow with your experience in life and okay one more quick question it share the. How did you come up with this? is going to be almost embarrassing. Edit this out of my own but I mean I love I love sounds. That's so funny. Say Time Travel Book. I love books about the south in the plantations. I mean there wasn't time travel but I mean it was going back and forth amongst the generations. Rations where did you come up with. I mean you said those characters came to you without hard to weave them into each other or did that surprise you that you had these characters from different generations What I wanted to illustrate that regardless of century circumstance ethnicity religion? The human experience is the same whether we have rivers teepees have cell phones and computers. Right right we had this same holiday. This same love this same joy beautiful. I can't Dr the Hoover Shelley. Thank you so much for joining me on the podcast play. So I'll have links where people can go by the book If people don't buy the book it's kind of I don't understand absolutely after reading this interview and can't wait for new books as well. Uh flying out the the the daily Ainu grind mastic waist and they they push things the exciting news this cow. Thanks to you take.

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"During run I fell show part of Bringer podcast network I am Kevin Clark joined today. By two people, one of them will be Danny Kelly later in the show, but I very excited to welcome in power time stock. The ringer host of Cam chronicles the new narrative podcast by Cam Newton and very well time podcast series. I would say talent welcome to the show. That's right. That's right. Don't worry about Dan Kelly, where it worry about me, I want Sean worried about Dantonio Danny, Kelly and Kevin. Kevin I won't know look horrible to I. Love Looking at right now. He looked horrible. The first thing he said was thank God you not wearing a suit jacket, and then I told him I'm doing this just because only he can see May. And Tyler now is decided to put me on blast for this. I feel I feel honored to to get disappearance from Kevin and not like a tweet suggests. Because, we're comfortable with each other all right, tyler. This is a sign of that. I think works for everybody. This was quite frankly a good idea for everybody seven point five million dollars. Even if you combined everybody in the Patriots quarterback room, they would still make less in salary and twenty twenty. The nineteen quarterbacks make on their own. It's worth seven point five million dollars to find out what Cam Newton still has left. Left in the tank. If you're replacing two decades of continuity with Tom Brady. This is as good as you can possibly get a having. The young quarterback jared stood him develop and see what he has, but really probably relying on Cam Newton having a bounceback season I'm curious tyler. When you first heard this news, your initial reaction was what as Mattis Shit Kevin. Not GonNa at Shit it was it was Sunday night. I was enjoying myself I. was I was laying on my floor? Living my life, Trial Watch out for some highlights two thousand, one just to feel something keping sure, and you know this this. Jerk Adam Schefter tell me that Cam Newton gets. Is it's it's a beautiful thing for the sake that? We the last year research report in and going all around the country for this this podcast documentary style on Cam Newton Life. You know great marketing. Appreciate me to do to check, but otherwise you know messed up my Sunday night, man and like. So, obviously you did with Danny and we were able to get to a good spot on Sunday night. Hopefully you can, you can take an off day layer and this week to to make up for whatever work you had to do on Sunday I'm curious did. Did you see this coming from having conversations people around him. Did you think you know there were so many reports? Tyler about how he wasn't going to settle for a backup job where he was gonNA wait for the market to develop, and if a team like the Patriots wasn't going to give him a clear path to a starting job, maybe he was going to. To wait until shredding cabinet see what happens. I was there a feeling that you thought something was close, or did you think he was GonNa, player right I mean just seeing how this developed over the past. Let's say six months since we've known that. He was going to to Depart Carolina essentially What was your feeling on the path? You was GONNA take. Surprise to you. It's. It's been very hilarious to watch. People Kinda sticky late about what they think is going to happen with Cam Newton. Last you've. And I think if you know anything about cam you spend any time around camps in January as I have you know with his family, or whoever just Kinda see him in his element? The Cam Newton family the Newton family. They're very smart people I mean they did this. At Auburn in two thousand ten. They pick the right place in junior college in two thousand nine You know. He found his way to Carolina the. The first overall pick, and so it seems in so many ways so many parts of their lives of scripted where Cam Newton, is the son and see so Newton? The father is the director of this major motion picture, and so of course there were teams kind of fumbling around teams where we're looking into him as like where he wanted to go, but the reality was that Cam eighth in a move for he owned like. Camps, very very self driven person, and so to have on one hand this idea the Cam can sit in his basement blasted has Kyle Walk Gospel Music and just getting hype off his own accord for a few months playing the role of the Villain Esam Beautiful Shit on the other side of it. Why should cam go to Chicago and play with Nick Foles and all those guys? Why should cam goal to Mike May off? Off the same guy who told who told the world and twenty two thousand ten. There's just something about. Cam Newton it. Sit Right with him as far as his longevity is a franchise quarterback. Why not just sit in your house in aid coronavirus and wait for a deal to come to you? We all knew there was only one great place for him to go in. Sadly, it was the one place we all hate. So I actually don't hate it from football dork perspective. Sinclair the one of the things about ballot check is he's thought about everything. You could possibly do you a football field, and if anyone can come up with the most the ten most interesting as you can possibly during football field, it's him. And what are you know? He's getting a guy who can do basically anything on the football field one healthy. This is a match made in football heaven. That's kind of what excites me about this I. I know having the greatest quarterback in history was a good reason not to experiment with the quarterback position allegedly as quarterback history. I watched. Football legend Nick Legend. Mick falls in the conversation for you. Mr Philadelphia but I think that because of the lack of the greatest quarterback in. You get to experiment. Do Different things I was talking to Rodney Harrison a couple of years ago ballot check and and rush them Amac castle and run. Here's something I thought about a lot which was the bill sees things in players. They don't even see in themselves and I think that bill's going to be able to put cam if he's healthy and positions the wind. Wind. Even seeing Carolina I'm not saying can be better than two thousand fifteen season with declining health, and all that stuff I think it might be a little hard to do that, but I think in general. I think we're going to see some really interesting schemes. Josh mcdaniels had some successes running quarterbacks in the past twenty eighteen pro football focus had this twenty eighteen. Thirty five percent of Cam Newton's runs for first downs, and when he wasn't running an option, which means basically he was when he was when he was scrambling fifty percent of his runs one for first downs, you combine that with decent passing, and that's a real threat and I think people have forgotten. This ain't the conversation perception around Cam. Newton has become so confused and weird. I think people have forgotten how good! Good. He can be when he's healthy. I'm curious tyler being around him talking to know him. How much does he think he has left? How much do you think he has left? And what is that look like especially in the early part of this season when there might not be a full training camp may not be a full preseason, so let's a few things right real quick. You has said I know that these. These assumptions about Cam feel weird. So the way the press kind of operates around the black quarterback is either you know racist, or it is very much in the realm of reality doesn't actually exist and so less than a right. Here is be Matt Cassel got a list frank injury. Before in his life, he came back. He was builder right? Let's try again Randall Cunningham towards ACL in a year where coming back from an ACL, injury was unheard of he came back. He had a great season Steve McNair was thirty. Two thirty three years old took similar punishment to camp pro bowl. All Times between those same years cam in the years. He was great two thousand. Thousand Fifteen, especially eighty eight percent of the offense at one point, top seventy seven percent of the touchdowns accrued at one point top, so you're talking about a guy who not only is thirty one years old, but it's coming off a shoulder injury where you had one of his teammates. Who say who told me that you know? His shoulder is literally hanging by a thread twenty eighteen season, and so you see you coming from a guy from that who can filter football I've watched him through the football? He Can Siegen sling the football if you saw at the beginning of the nineteen season as well the problem with him getting the ball to where it had to. To go compared to two thousand eighteen, it was him planning on that foot I watched him run up and down a football field in January I. don't see nothing wrong with the foot and again this is very basically not limited knowledge here, but from what I understand is, if it's not the shoulder, and it's not the foot, and he's had two years not get hit. WHERE ESPN study showed in two thousand sixteen that he was most hit quarterback in the decade, three hundred times hit more than Russell Wilson and is now younger than Russell Wilson. There is not an actual good football argument for why thirty one teams passed on Cam Newton, there isn't one you can. Can Talk About Corona virus. You can talk about physical. You can talk about any of these kind of mundane abnormalities. You can even talk about this false idea. The jarret Stidham, whose thrown four passes in the NFL, and which trash at Auburn is going to be better than Cam Newton all these days, delusional, innocent, dumb shit, and so the reality is Cam Newton is good at football at the very worst. He's a step worse than he was as an MVP candidate when he was twenty six years old. He's the vanguard for future a black quarterbacks that we would not see without him a transcended talent. Why wouldn't you spend seven million dollars? Just figure something out. Easiest thing in the world in thirty teams are idiots, so I agree with you paying one less than one percent of a salary cap to find out if he has anything laughed and I think he does I think is a classic Patriots, move and I think that there's just no downside and the upside is just unbelievable and and I think that this will be one of the most fascinating story lines of the season in twenty twenty. Twenty I'm curious. Tyler about the path that you think cam is going to take over the next couple of years. Because obviously, the Patriots signed a one year deal. There's a lot of options within that. They could franchise tag him afterwards. If he's successful, they could try to trade him these successful or they could just keep them around for a while. Do you think that there's any kind of path and cams mind where he wants to? Say Hey I. Want to be with the Patriots with three more years four more years. Try To win a super bowl. You think he wants to go sort of the the big contract route after this year and try to spin one salads ease into a bigger contract. You think he's playing by ear. If you were kind of map out Cam Newton's next few years, assuming he's at least solid this year. What do you think looks like? I think if you would ask somebody like his Daddy, see so new in. They look at this probably like what they looked at Blinn junior college was for twelve months. They look at all. Burn was for twelve months and they will call it a business trip. This is a business trip for Cam Newton. You don't need the money because the Carolina Panthers still between. Between nineteen twenty million dollars, you still saw two hundred million dollar deal in twenty fifteen, and so the money's not an issue here, right? It's about proven that you still guy that you still got that dog being and so for cam new in this is a one year. Prove it deal a business trip. We gone up the Foxborough. We Torch Horrible Division. We're GONNA. GonNa Make It to the AFC championship game and we go from there. That's the bare minimum that I would assume this team can do. Because the thing we gotta understand. Is He won a national championship at blend with nobody on the roster? He Won National Championship at all. Burn plan with mailmen and trash man. He got to the Super Bowl with not one wide. Wide Receiver and one of them was Kelvin Benjamin. He only in play football more and so that's the thing you give him. Josh mcdaniels the best football coach. We didn't ever seen human history maybe I. Mean I saw Andy Reid? Do a few things, but maybe you're not saying and then you also giving him up to the best offensive line. He's ever had less. In see assumedly just just for my opinion, I would think you know cam uses this as a one year situation based on his history, and then can won't say the highest bidder. He won't get his blast best contract he going get set up for the rest of his life for him, and all his kids and family members and he going to do it, and do you know the last thing I? I would never forget about Cam Newton is the idea that he's willing to bet on himself more than anybody else. I've ever seen football or come. Come in contact with and so what better guy to rise from the ashes for the third time in his life just to give a big fuck you to the rest of the football world that allegedly counted him out shit. I'm excited. Yeah, and you know I wonder about to your point earlier because about T- thirty, one of the teams growing up because I think that if I'm an owner today, I walk into my GM's office and say, did you call about cam? Newton and at the is no I'm upset because why not at least call there's? There's no reason because. If you're looking for a starter, he can be one of these healthy. If you have a starter, then you would have the best backup in the League if you signed him for about. If you wanted to I again, you call and find out okay. Maybe he didn't want to take a backup job. Well, call and find out. Maybe he. He was looking for a bigger contracting to a backup. We'll call and find out I mean right. You didn't explore NFL obsessed with this idea of no stone unturned. We have to do our. Our due-diligence on everything. You say for any any exploratory call. If you didn't do your due diligence on Cam Newton, you failed your job and I'm not saying it's disqualifying or anything for GM, but it's a little piece of the puzzle, and it shows you that you're not sincere about exploring every opportunity for you to to build a competitive football team is capable. Honestly, honestly I would say it is disqualified as general manager. Because here's the thing I. I would just say it is because the reality is if you have Cam Newton on the streets. And you do not call or make his hotline blink. You have not done your job as a general manager point blank, simple right, and other thing about it becomes this. There is this sort of disqualifying nature when it comes to brash or audacious black people, especially black quarterback within the white sports media that we assume that they are not allowed to pick where they're going to go. We assume it's off putting when they don't WanNa. Be Subservient to the idea of what they should be. The greatest part about cam new in the next generation of black quarterbacks that came subsequently after him this that he don't got to conform to an idea of what we believe a quarterback. quarterback is we're seeing this right now. Cam Newton. Say y'all want me to be a backup. Fuck y'all Cam Newton said Y'all want me a little bit of money. Fuck y'all. And then he decided well I'll make it a business trip I'm do one deal for the money. I already got all these incentives and I'm going to try to win, and then I go back and do it my exact way. Anybody else who thought I was GONNA. Go otherwise. You're kidding yourself. It was amazing to me. About the perception of him I, did a restore a couple of years ago and did a couple of stores on Cameron. WHO'S IN CHARLOTTE I? Did a couple of stories about. Him as a person in Carolina and one of the stories I did was about his pants to jump into. Pick up games where that's volleyball games or basketball games and football games and taught to people and hang out with them and hang out with the people. The citizens have Charlotte and Ron Rivera used to talk about the joy that Cam had and he said eastern reminded him of Michael. Jordan in the sense that he just he just loved sports so much they would jump in and with high school, kids, Middle School, kids, or whatever and play and the joy. Rivera described. And the happiness that Rivera described Cam Newton. Giving off feeding off. The city was so different from the national perception of Cam Newton at that point. This was twenty, fifteen, twenty, sixteen. It was so different. There's no conversation about that outside. Of Charlotte but it inside of Charlotte, there was I'm curious. Having done this and having seen this journey and having talked to so many people what you think. The biggest misconception about Cam Newton is and you'll probably tackle in the podcast our. I think is I. Think it's a few things Kevin I. Think First and foremost is that he's authentic I. Think we see so many different size of do. automatically assume it should be given us much more time than he does cams very very private person, even even an idea that they let us come down to the church kick. You were having his family to go to philanthropy efforts to see him play football with kids and seven zero seven tournaments and spend a few days in Georgia. You know he still didn't talk to stat much. He talked to us more than he wanted to. To you know what I'm saying more than you know he didn't do. Here's another. Sit Down interview and five years, and so that's the thing here is that he's very very private and only thing. He really cares about his football, God and family I know that sounds Cliche, but and I certainly would challenges cliche, but once you get it that once you go down here. That's literally how he was raised in all he wants to do. He wants to go to church his kids. He wants to help the city of Atlanta. He wants to play football and so the idea that you. You can take away thirty three percent of what he believes is part of his pathos is crippling. He said to Chris. Paul as much on his instagram that he felt like you know in a boat without a paddle. He didn't. He didn't know where he was his career before. This is I, think we we truly when we see so many different sides of Cam. We see him as a reclusive. We think he's mysterious. While also being this boundless bouncing energy is huge son, but he's authentic. He's given us what he can give for. For whatever reason he's decided. He wants to I think. Think it's that and I think it's equally that CAM is is on a really a self made journey that so many of these decisions we've seen since he was a five star prospect at Westlake High School, where man made by the nightmares and dreams, both in leaving the University of Florida and going to the middle of the desert, one hundred hundred meters Macau pasture, trying to figure out what his version of life was, and it was football, and so I think the things you'll certainly get when y'all see this podcast and July thirteenth when the album drop on July thirteenth produced by Isaac. I, think which I'll see for real is. You'll get a full picture of who this person is and a person specifically. That has decided he don't WanNa. Tell us nothing about himself for very long time. You know I I think it's interesting. I had a talk with Dan Mullen a couple of years ago Josh. How many times you're GONNA name Job Kevin How many how many times you GonNa name save met prints to I have not prince I did not meet. Prince I have I only met Dan. Mullen is not not nearly as cool. Dan Mullen. It was relevant to story. We talked about this couple of years ago where Josh came down and visited. The University of Florida learn about the spread, and they were really intrigued by that, and this is and find the right. After the Alex midseason, they just started a Florida Josh knows came down, and they integrated a lot of it how they how they use the middle of the field, not stuff, but they weren't able to. To use the running game obviously, and I thought that in rereading those quotes today I'm going to the notes because I met Dan, Mullen and not France. in rereading that I was thinking about the fact that two years after that meeting. mcdaniels uses those principles to build the best offense at that point NFL history, thousand seven Patriots reinvented the slot position with the first team to go majority shotgun when no NFL team ever done that and now. It's it's everywhere. If I'm using the doesn't go shotgun and two years after that for Florida they were recruiting Cam Newton and the fifth dolphins perfectly obviously didn't work out. I'm sure you'll tackle at at Florida, but I just think it's interesting. How the how the paths cross and I think this could be a better. This could not be a better football match up if he's healthy. Best. Guess, Tyler, what is this season? Look like for Cam Newton from a numbers standpoint from a health standpoint and from a winning standpoint. If we A- We actually play football. You know Israel dumb, but if we if we if we actually play football this year, whether this short season or regular season I. Don't think the the thing about this, and again I keep referencing twenty auburn season for a reason you know, everybody says the camp took some money well. First of all I hope he did a second of all deal, if the alleged amount of money that was given to Cam Newton his family was. We think it was one hundred eighty thousand hundred thousand dollar range. That was the cheapest national championship you could ever purchased. The Patriots might have just purchased the cheapest Super Bowl on record. And so, that's the thing here. Though is that it don't matter what the numbers look like a matter. If Cam gets the AFC championship, we talked so much about completion rating. We talked so much about his QBR and certain years. Talk so much about if Cam Rita defense because they ran. You know kind of a one technique there, but went with the panthers. Would they put somebody in the motion to see if they can movie that a linebacker or cornered at surreal with defense was and they thought it was too simplistic back when? When cameras you know between his rookie and Sophomore seasons, and so it doesn't matter about all those things. Would you care about is how he do. It is going to be loud. It's GonNa be fun. It's going to be boisterous and between that. Let's see if they can just make the super bowl. Because the sky's the limit, he is done better with much worse and now he got the best tools possible to get to the top of the charts again. Cam Is the best player I've ever seen. Play football when somebody doubts him. And? He got him out on a doubt. In the last time, he had a mountain of doubt. He got through Super Bowl Tom before that he won rookie of the year and the time before that he wouldn't national championship so I'll know just a cat that y'all really should be count now because that's like, know stairway for him so. If Bella check is a smart as we think he is well. He just pays my seven million dollars to getting back. To the Super, Bowl, so there should be real real fun. To away from Camp Chronicles I'm right. I'll week I hope. We can finish it in time. It's bullshit bullshit. Let's be optimistic. We are two weeks away. We! Goals Produce Isaac. Lee with help from Connor Evans in Malawi. Tower staff at the ringer. Thanks for joining us. Appreciate you, Kevin North Philly. Feb. I mean shots is to be. From the Ringer I'm Tyler Times When I spoke to Nfl Star Cam Newton Jay where. Is Moss it was clear. In Charlotte. Cam will be getting that which. He was released by the Carolina Panthers March. Cam is a complex figured am I interested in goes far beyond exuberance smile and transcended style of play. Cam broke the glass ceiling in American athletics. A sentence will place in the sport that few black quarterbacks reached. Making his fall. That much more dramatic. Over the past year I've traveled the country speaking of coaches and teammates, transit, family, or borders in even briefly, said a man himself. Toronto Rally `NIGMA THAT IS CAM Newton. Uncover contradictions at every turn. How can the hardest work on the team be depicted as a bad leader? and. How can a franchise icon with the NFL MVP and Super Bowl appearance on his resume be so abruptly cast side. The NFL show presents camp chronicles. Series premieres Monday to thirteen. Danny Kelly staff writer at the Ringer joins us now to talk scheme at fantasy aspect of this Danny first impression. Cam Newton to the Patriots changes your opinion of the Patriots. How two reasons really? I think you know I. Think it makes passing game. Bankable think it has a higher ceiling overall than than what I was kind of picturing with them. Going to the season with either hoyer cinema under center I, just think it raises the. Hall ceiling for what that passing game could do and number two. It really changes the run game a lot, too. which I think is a huge huge deal for that offense. Because I think they're probably going. Go into the season wanting to do. A balanced approach offensively pair that with their what should be an elite defense going forward I just think it's the perfect fit overall it's it's a really really good signing. I think by the Patriots if he's healthy. I think it. It completely sort of changes. Their allocate my mind, I, obviously, the the health is a huge question mark, and that was why he was a free agent, but I mean if he comes in this year in his shoulders, feeling good, and his foot is feeling good then to me. It completely changes the outlook for this team. Yeah and also seven point five million dollars is. At some point it stops being a question because seven million dollars, not a lot of money. In the last three percent of the salary cap it's as much as the charges of pain tyrod Taylor. It's less than the pate. The dolphins are paying Ryan Fitzpatrick like at some point. It's a flyer is a flyer and the Patriots. Smart for reason I'm not saying that they're probably teams. He wouldn't have gone to seven point five million dollars, but I'm just saying right now. There's some teams as should feel dumb, because if the worst thing that happens is that they go their separate ways next spring in this generally work out. The Patriots are on the hook for zero dollars candidate and go do whatever he wants. There's no compaq, or whatever if that is the worst case scenario? That's still a pretty good. Good scenario, and that's why I think this is no lose, and the upside for both for both parties is really incredible, because then Cam Newton can can spend us into a huge contract if he has a good year and the Patriots can can take their elite defense and spend us into a really solid season, so I think it's just a no brainer for both sides. I'm surprised. I hadn't even happened. At this point when you think about the scheme and how they could use him, Danny what stands out? Well I think the number. One thing obviously is his ability as a runner and you know I'm just GonNa issue this caveat now. Everything depends on if he's healthy so I'm just gonNA. Say That now and then we'd have to keep saying. Yeah that's. If, he doesn't recover from either the frank injury, or if there are complications from the shoulder injury was we've been told is totally healed, but you never know on those sort of significant injuries whether they can. They can reappear at any point so when we're talking about this. This is if he's healthy, and if you sort of the baseline for what we expect, okay, yes, have you said that you have that's out of the way? That's the way so I think the number one thing for. For me and the first thing that I thought of is wow. This changes their ability in the run game a lot. This is you know it's the it's mathematical equation Upfront. He adds the ability to be a runner. It changes what the defense has to do. It changes the number of players. The defense has to account for in the run game, because most defenses the way that the gap situations workout is they just don't really care about the quarterback. You know they just don't really. Really account for him, and so when you add the quarterback in as a runner, it really changes just the math and the whole I guess comedic Scom schematic strategy for the defense so I think that's huge If you look at what Newton's able to do over his career, it's really really remarkable. You know he's a big guy. He's very fast. He might not be as fast as he used to be. Certainly, but he's still really really difficult to bring down in the open field. Field I mean he's. He's a big guy and he's GonNa. Be If they scheme at right a lot of the times. He's going to be going up against you know. If on a bootleg you might go against a cornerback and that's that's gotTa return terrifying as a cornerback trying to tackle Cam Newton Seth GALENA PF had a really interesting article this morning yesterday I quoted it in my column. Whistle, be up, DOT COM shortly. Yeah, it was really interesting because he talked about how. You know early on his career cameras running a lot of like you know power stuff, quarterback keeper, right up the middle kind of like. Really punishing his body, I guess going in the middle of field, and then later you know later on when they had Christian McCaffrey makes they were doing a lot of. You know fake hand off bootleg stuff like play action bootleg suffers getting him on the outside in the open field against some of the smaller players, and that I think has. A lot of potential this year, because the Patriots I believe are going to be like a pretty run heavy play action, heavy team Cam Newton is a pretty good play action passer It makes a lot of sense with their personnel. They drafted two tight ends. You know they don't have an elite group of receivers, so it makes a lot of sense for them. I think Josh mcdaniels is GonNa WanNa have a lot more. You know deception in their offense as last year. Frankly you know I. It was pretty clear whenever they're gonNA. Run the ball of cells in there like eighty something percent of the time. They're going to run the ball You know so this year going forward. If you got two tight end sets, they can pass, they can. They can run. They can do bootlegs they can do A. A lot of different things than Cam Newton's adds a lot that and in addition to that I. Just think overall and third downs, and in the red zone. He changes everything you know. Those those are two huge areas that he can really really Adalah of what he can do with his legs. You know any third down situation where it's middle or short yardage. He becomes a huge factor any red zone. He's probably the best red zone player of his generation. Honestly know just what he's able to do. Both passing and running the ball. I think is really really exciting for for what the Patriots are going to do. Inside the ten yard line inside the five yard line so This is the first few things that come to mind with his ability to run. Do, you remember. The playoff game Sony Michelle was one hundred percent tells against the chargers, a hundred percent how they were gonNA run. Charters never never caught up with batch. Out. Here just passing. James White out of the backfield running shall anyway. Gus Bradley Tough Seen Anyway I wasn't gonNA. call him out, but yeah, if you hurt to knows a week after they were the first team to sort of stymie, Lamar Jackson too so bizarre bizarre. I went okay, so if you were to single out a couple of people, maybe the answer is no one, but if you were to single out a couple of people on the Patriots, offense at this would help ease, not having Johnston be the quarterback, obviously, the the the run game being accentuated. Is there anybody circling? Say Hey, this is. This is really going to open it up for blank. From a football point of view, it should be helpful for Sony Michelle just because having Cam Newton. If they run, say they run out of shotgun, and they're doing a lot of like in style Mesh. Point things where he's holding defensive end on the backside of play. That's just going to help Sony Michelle pickup yards between the twenty s for fantasy point of view I don't think it helps. Sony Michelle because I think Cam Newton is I mean Sony was already getting enough of the most valuable. Valuable types of carries an in catches in in a fantasy world. Now I think Cam Newton could potentially start stealing a lot of his goal line work so that I don't think from a fantasy point of view helps sunny sewing Michelle, but it does help him from just pure football between the thousand s helpfully. Hopefully, he could have a little more efficiency this year as a runner. Just because you're taking one guy out of the equation, you're freezing. He's Cams essentially blocking that defensive at And then as far as the receivers go, I don't know if it necessarily raises. Julian Edelman's, you know. Ability to to be a huge fantasy factor, I think I probably would have him right around the same level, but I'm certainly more confident that. I would say he's probably happy that he's getting a guy like cam veteran. You know experienced guy is very difficult to replace the chemistry and timing, and just overall trust factor that that at OMON had with Brady, but you know camps been there. He's he's. He's veteran experienced guy. He's capable stepping up in the pocket stuff so I. Think you know from football? Point of view of it certainly probably help settlement, but I don't know if they're necessarily going to be a really really pass heavy team I again. I kind of think that. The Patriots identity will be sort of slow down and run the ball. and you know, let their defense do a lot of lifting and things like that. The one guy who I think has a higher ceiling now. then. Maybe I thought before. The season isn't Nicole Harry. Coming off of you know. Miss most of his rookie season. Didn't really impress a whole lot. There were some. Definite flashes here and but you know if you look at the the receivers that Cam Newton has had kind of in his career Kelvin, Benjamin Devon punches. These guys that are big bodied jump ball type players that don't necessarily separate and and Cam Newton made those guys fantasy factors in football factors, he he, he shows the ability to throw into tight windows. Some some quarterbacks just for straight up refuse to do that. You know they need guys that are going to be. Getting open and things like that, I don't think cameras that kind of guy so. schematically football wise that that fits pretty well I think with Nikki. Larry so I think he's the kind of. If you're talking fantasy, he's a late round pick that has a lot of interesting upside, just because of that skill set in camps, history with those types of receiver, so both from a football point of view overall. I just think it's one of those things where you know. Their ceiling is higher now with Cam Newton under center rising tide result ships, type, idea? I, think Nikiel Harry suddenly becomes one of the more interesting receivers on that team. Just because like I said that. That precedent that CAM has of throwing to those big body receivers. So. Let's say hypothetically. There was a writing and podcasting company that had done a podcast in which we went through all the contenders late last week through this week before the Cam Newton signing, and that is coming out Thursday and actually ranked the tears of contenders, and I was higher on the Patriots and the other two people are one of them, was you? So, let's. Let's say hypothetically that happened okay yeah yeah. Knowing what we know. Now you think of the Patriots Chances and AFC East and the picture as what? I think this changes. Everything based on so just to give you a sneak preview about that hypothetical discussion. My my reservations about the Patriots were there were just too many question marks for both their passing game and running game going forward I, think their defense is going to be really solid. We knew that, but there was multiple multiple question marks on offense run game. Passing game and a lot of that had to do with you. Know the fact that we didn't really know what the situation was under center they're so question marks I still put them in sort of that tier where they need a few good things. Go right for them to be I. Think Super Bowl team number one. They need cam to be healthy number two. They need the run game to take a job because I think you know losing Dante's Cornucopia you know there's there's. There's a factor there that we don't really know how big of a deal that's going to be But that said I think squarely. Put them in that in that category now just because I think. You know if all if those things fall right if Cam Newton gets back to the guy we saw maybe like when he was healthy. In two thousand eighteen I think this defense is definitely good enough to make them a super bowl contender, so yeah, it changes the entire conversation and you guys. Hear this conversation later this week, but just keep that caveat i. I think there's just so many huge question marks with both the run game and the past game I think Newton solves has potential salt both those things I think he's GonNa make the run game a lot better, which is another really big factor, so yeah I. IT changes my whole sort of our opinion on on what the Patriots can do this year. So MGM does put this out and I found it interesting that Cam. Newton is in the top ten for MVP odds of plus twenty five hundred. Which I think is actually. A little much I mean that. That's ahead of Philip. Rivers Matt Ryan significantly ahead of Jimmy Garoppolo Kirk cousins Ben Rothlisberger significantly ahead of that's interesting. Eric Henry and Ryan Tannehill rant house plus seven thousand. It's just golf is seven thousand. I I just I. Don't know that that might be a little bit overshooting it but I think you know Mike Sando. Talk some my NFL executives last night and put it up on Amtrak. Dot Com today, and said that and that executive said that that they think is healthy and top ten quarterback, and if he is fully healthy, and none of us know us, Alloa Tower Times, was just with this has seen them throw a ball, but if he is healthy, there's an argument for that I think that with reduced preseason with reduced training camp. I think there's a case to be made the. He might start a little bit slow but on the other hand. If he's fully healthy, he's just going to run through. People and their defense is going to be ready. They're going to have women training camp. They'RE GONNA have omitted preseason to so he could just be able to catch them flatfooted if he's if he's ready to go, and if defenses or not and I think that. Trying to gauge what's going to happen after the Cova off? Season is a little bit misguided, but I think if he's healthy if he's healthy again, there's that caveat ame- he's. I would assume tackling would be harder to come by early in the season, because it normally is limited training camp. It's even more limited in training camp. That's west tackling technique. That's you know the players that didn't get the full slate of preseason. That's rosters are not maximize. That's the one thing I think it's important to note. Here is the most NFL teams rosters are not going to be as good at. They normally are because a no tryouts. No rookie minicamps. No, as we say. Yo Malcolm Butler is basically founder rookie minicamp years ago Just invited him to that and he stock and those dirt. There are those success stories all the time. There's none of those this year because there's no one person workouts. There's no ability to work guys out if they're if they're on the street right now. And and charmed through the roster, and there's no priests, there will be not a full slate, probably a preseason games or training camp to find your best fifty three, and so you combine all of those things and not saying that's going to be a huge factor in Camden success, but I'm just. Just saying that this is going to be a weird year, and you have pure talent. You Win. Good ideas win, and this is a good football idea. Good Players Win Cam Newton is a good football player of healthy and I'm just thinking that if things break right, this could be a really really good signing, and if things break wrong, who cares seven point five million dollars? That's a rounding error. Salary cap I mean that's the thing is it's there's really no downside because the downside is like they just go along with whatever kind of thought. The plan was originally, which was to you know develop Jarret Stidham in had this isn't by the way. This isn't preclude them. From still developing Jarret Stidham, right, they're not gonNA. Say Yes timeframe. They might they're not going to call him and say we're. We're GONNA. Ask you to stop working out. Better right? We're going to press. Pause on that. No, the he can still. Who knows if he was ready this year, but giving him more time to develop as thing. It's not like he was some Uber. Prospect needed to see the field right now were huge questions about, and that's the other thing where people like well Cam Newton's health so unknown. Will just never started a game so all the sudden he's got. No one owns Cam Newton does. Right there's a lot of question marks when you're replacing the best quarterback of all time. After two decades of continuity, there are question marks. You cannot do that perfectly. You have to take chances. Maximizing opportunities in the quarterback is important your Brian Hoyer there to you're still spending almost no money for that quarterback room and I just think it's. It's a really good option, and I like the Patriots now and and I. I was higher on them. When the contenders episode than than you guys were, but I think that that they're still. I you know. I. It's hard for me to say if they're GONNA win the AFC East right now. I'm kind of. It's only been what twelve fourteen hours and signing to see a little bit more right, but they're. They're more in the conversation than they were yesterday two PM. The other thing that yeah, and I agree with you the other thing that makes me more confident to is you know with the Patriots they are always the most nimble team medically going back years really going back the last two decades. They've always been so nimble and able to change. Their strategy changed their scom like schemes, really like from not only from game to game, but like played a play. They just have that ability to for lack like not that this Ah Cliche. Cliche just like out coach other teams you know, and so they're one team who I really trust to utilize. Can correctly you know what I mean like? They're gonNA come in with a very good plan for how to get the best Outta. Camden and I don't think you can necessarily say that for every team. Oh, you could. You probably couldn't say that for the majority of teams, probably in so you know I think it's perfectly by that's. That's I'm sure why. You noon didn't have a ton of options in terms of the ability to come in immediately and be like the starter anymore like that kind of passed them up in the start of free agency, the injuries certainly play a role in that, but I think cam new like this is a good opportunity for him to rehabilitate his his career. You know after. After having all those injuries, and this is a great great place to do the prove at year because they're gonNA. Put Him in a good position Josh. mcdaniels is gonNA think up some really cool stuff that they can do with him and I think overall. It's just like they're gonNA. They're gonna Taylor an offense that really makes sense for him so It's like a win. Win for both the Patriots End for Newton. Or anything else in your notes that you you need to dump out. From Fantasy, point of view, you know we I mentioned some of the other skill players on the team, but I also WanNa just add in. Newton has potential to be a top ten quarterback this year. Which is kind of? Like it's a little baffling talk about because he was not even necessarily can be a starter. We didn't really know if he's going to be starter. We still don't there's still I. Guess a sliver of doubt that he will be started, but he he was looking like a really great sort of like. Later Round quarterback flyer because you know his rushing ability just gives him the chance to be that top ten quarterback. The, rushing the rushing upside that that quarterback spring is like a cheat code in fancy football's economic code and fantasy football. It's. It's how guys consistently add to their bottom line every week and so Newton's consistently in his career been a top ten top eight finishing quarterback when he's been healthy, so I think this is kind of like a really cool opportunity to grab. I'm not going to compare it to a Mark Jackson last year. Where Lamar Jackson was the overall top quarterback, but he's he's a late round guy. That could be a big factor for your fantasy team, so I was the other thing I was just wanted to add to the fantasy discussing. What game did you use the code on the most dude I didn't even really play. Those kind of video games. Growing up I was like I didn't really get into video games until like halo came out. I was I was. Around that time, yeah I was a super, Mario, brothers and Mario Kart that was like those are my two jams grown up, and then basically skipped like a whole generation of games, and and then I did halo. Is Aging me, but yeah. Big Halo Guy I kind of skipped all those like Contra and all that stuff I bought the first now on sports video game that. I bought in like. Probably fifteen years during quarantine. I didn't like it. Tells such as? You don't red dead redemption. As them. I I'm sure it's great game I'm sure a game and it was everybody I know who plays it loves it. Yeah, it's just not. It's just not my thing. I'd rather just do other stuff. That's all that's. That's where I am now to. Get I am. I'm not opposed to video games. There are things I'd rather do. That's all. I respect all hobbies. Okay then Kelly! Join Action Thank you.

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Sylvia Acevedo on Building Girls of Courage, Confidence, and Character

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Sylvia Acevedo on Building Girls of Courage, Confidence, and Character

"The right way, whoever you are aware of you are in whenever it is. You are catching some brainwaves come to you from the banks of the melting and deliquency ain't rain river in almost always sunny Longmont, Colorado. I'm Becky Peters. At across the table is the only co host who prefaces his best points by saying scouts on her. He's been called fed. What's good? It is all good. Becky, I feel crazy lucky to be bringing giants and education to the ear buds of busy teachers. So we can all stand on their shoulders and be more informed. Inspired and connected educators and Scouse honor. There it is you are in for treat with this episode. We're deviating a little bit from our normal K twelve space and looking at a giant nonetheless, a colossal CEO of one of the most famous long running education organizations in the world the girl scouts of America today on the episode. We have the great privilege of speaking, Sylvia osservato. Yeah. And we've been sitting on this interview for a little while just waiting for that perfect time when we all. Need a little bit of inspiration and seriously Silvia's story and the way she talks about it will make you feel like you wanna run through walls and makes us tuned after the episode because we will give some out of our heads and into the classroom tips about some of the things that we talk about. But in this episode, we will speak to Sylvia about some lessons. Teachers can learn from her story we discuss if boys and girls learn differently, and we discuss lessons that schools and teachers can learn from the girl scouts Orgainzation. So without further ado here, she is you are an author and entrepreneur and engineer and a rocket scientist. Those are the descript the amazing descriptors on your website. Did you always know that you would someday embody those roles or how did your sense of self like your sense of identity change over time? So absolutely not. I never thought of all those things when I was growing up. I had no idea that many of those roles even existed. So I'm very grateful that that's where my journey has gone. I was very fortunate that there were several key influences on my life headstart. Obviously the girl scouts also the public library at when I grew up. We didn't have Google going to the library was really what showed you kind of the world of opportunities in having that lifelong interest in learning having great teachers all those things gave me that skill set. And that foundation of curiosity of being able to read well, also Newt enjoying math in an having hands on experience. Girl. Scouts you know, that hands on experience girl scouts earning. My badge really taught me that I could do science at a young age and that I had the aptitude for it. So then I began doing it in the more. You do something the better you are at it. And that's what happened to me with math. You know? I learned I could do it. And I could do it. Well, and I challenged myself, and I did even more in the more. You do something the better you get at it in the becomes his self reinforcing cycle. And I got so good at math became a rocket. Scientists good at math. That's amazing. The pictures of you that you put yourself in the buck when? You were like in third grade. And second grade the cutest things I've ever seen in my life. I would highly recommend any listeners to pick up that book. It's called a pass to the stars in end in it, Sylvia. I really outlines her life in how of those programs had in effect on her m curious to use Sylvia woods did. It mean to you to publish a book about your life. Why was it important to you to tell the stories were brought audience? There's a couple of things that happened at the same time. I was talking to kids have been interested in education after I had a great technology career in had a successful exit is not newer. I started giving back in working in the community. And I would go and talk at schools, and I was talking in one school in particular, very large school after my talk. I went outside in the courtyard, and there was a huge line. And I thought it was for lunch anisinov, I guess that's the life election. They said, no that's the line of kids at wanna talk to you thinking thinking, you know, they all wanted to ask me questions. You know, somebody that looked like them, they even. Some of the kids would ask me, what brand clothing war, all these kinds of things I room is that there was a hunger for somebody who looked like me that reflected them or that reflected there as a girl their ambitions or even as their ambitions, Mr. interest in space and aren't as many stories like that. And I remember thinking as an engineer. I'm always thinking, how do you scale? Right. And so how do I scale? And I thought I've gotta write a book. And so at that moment, I decided to write a book, and I post it as an engineer in his of writer, and I think we'll kind of funny because I put together a PowerPoint presentation that had the growth of kids in need for stem, the importance of a mentor, or if you can see you can be it. And then I outlined what the chapters might be put this proposal together. And then I went to an event in New York, flew myself there where we're going to be a lot of publishing agents paid my missions went there, and I showed him the PowerPoint. With the couple of videos, but also pictures, and they said, okay. This is compelling. What have you written? And it will. Here's a chapter outlines. Okay. You know, book writer have you written yet? I said, oh, no. I'll get. Okay. Okay. Do that. So they're like, we're interested. But you gotta give something to read. So I wrote a first few chapters I decided to middle school, and the reason I chose middle school was that's the last age. I feel like you know that proverbial elevator. You put your hand in your elevator to get the doors to stop like, wait. I feel like my book is the proverbial hand in the elevator. Trying to get that elevator door to stay open. So he can go in because of middle school. If you take some math signs a little bit of programing, you still have a chance in this digital age. Everything is going to be redesigned around technology. Just the fashion institute of technology in New York three trillion dollar industry being redone from supply chain to design etc around technology. So they're still going to be important needs for people in the way, we communicate. But so many of our tools are gonna have that digital interface. I don't run all these kids to not be part of that or be left out because they don't. Have a little bit of math or little bit of programming inside wanted to inspire them in. So my book is that pervert meal, you know, hand in the elevate wait kids middle school. You can still do it. You could still pursue your heart stream. So that's kinda why I chose that. And then I hired somebody to help me. Write it more in a middle school voice. You know, I hadn't known how to write. I could tell my story. But I didn't know how to do it no way that was more effective for middle school. And I can tell you short. Everyone of her comments would be more emotion. More angst. More shirtless vampires. Nice. And so that's why I decided on a y the book in y middle school. That's great. And I thought some of your stories in there just can give you some chills and goosebumps singing about can you talk about some early girl scout experiences in how really those are what helped you or launched you on the path to becoming rocket scientist. Absolutely. It's interesting because I didn't realize that until somebody who was doing archives project at Stanford University called me and said they wanted to interview me because I was one of the first Hispanic male or female to ever gotten a graduate engineering degree from Stanford and still is the case and you got to Samford university when the best universities in the world. And really they are at Silicon Valley. So getting a master's degree in engineering from Stanford is really kind of a gateway into Silicon Valley. And so it's very inaudibly prestigious. It's also very hard and the best in the brightest from the entire world one go there. So they're saying so how is it that you were one of the first and still? Fortunately, one of the few and at the time, you were applying Sanford really wasn't recruiting where you live like in southern New Mexico. So how did, you know about Stanford MP you not only were interested, but you were prepared and see you did really well, and I really never thought about that. And so they kept interviewing me and they kept saying, but why why was it that you're interested in science? Why where is it that you're interested in math? Why did you choose those electives? And I realize it all went back to when I was in girl. Scouts. We were out at at my first taste Morris cookies around opened fire. It was fantastic. And then I was looking at the stars. Am I troop leader sat next to me in showed me constellations? Now, I looked at stars a lot. But I kinda thought they were just twinkly lights. Right. Who as she Tommy? There was a pattern as big Dipper the little Dipper. Wow. This like a whole system out there. It's not twinkly lights, and she remembered that so that later on we are earning our badges and a lot of girls, including me one. To earn a cooking badge like my friends, but she suggested recommended that earned my science, and I said, no. But that she kept pushing it. So I said, okay, I'll do both. And I'm so grateful that that happened because when cooking I failed my first few attempts. And so you learn you have to read the directions carefully. Gotta get the sequence right to get the heat. Right. You know to even successfully make something edible. But also when I decided to part of my science badge was to make in essays rocket from a kit. And again, you had to get the directions carefully. You had to get the sequence. Right. And you also had to get the heat. Right. And I realized that science was just like cooking girls were expected to cook. But, you know, not expected to do science than I thought I could do boat and at that point at that young age elementary school. I got that confidence. It said I could do that. And so that's why I began taking all the science amount electives, even though. At that time that really wasn't something that was very common in not only did I take them. I liked it in. I was that kid who when the teacher assigned all the odd problems are all the even I did him. All right. I was that kid until I got really good at it. And so it became an engineer when might guns counselor told me, I couldn't do it. I remember thinking, you know, cooking just like science, I can do that. So that's what I got that love. But the other very important part was the resilience and the determination and even thinking that I could do that you mentioned cookies earlier, and I gotta tell you. I'm thanking the girl scout cookie program because I thought it was going to have to quit girl scouts 'cause my family. We lived in near poverty paycheck to paycheck and sometimes ran out of money between the paychecks. I thought you know, what we're gonna do a lot of fun things in girl scouts in my family can't afford it. And at that point I stayed after in I talked to the troop leader in sitting on my family can afford. It and she said, don't worry, Sylvia. Girl scout cookies, but what she taught me as we're going to create opportunity. What is your goal? What is it that you wanna do? And then you set some goals and put your path chart your path to your goal. Now. That's out simple. But I gotta tell you. If you're raised in near poverty, there is no one around you that knows how to create opportunity because they didn't you wouldn't be in the poverty. And so that idea that you could create your future, you could define what your future, and you could create that pack, and then create though subgoals to get that really changed everything for me. Suddenly, I realize my dreams could come true. I could set them as goals and then set the path. But then I would tell you the other things she taught me and our troop that this lesson has stayed to this day is never walkaway from sale until you've heard no re-timing, and that I have used repeatedly in my career, and as a young girl, you I sell to your family people at church, but then I was still. Shy of making my goal. So hit a talked to that Mabere who I'd only seen her go in and out of her car that never talked to her. I went to ask her if she would girl scout cookies, and she said, no. And I remember standing there looking at her without bubble over my head to bleed or MRs provine said I can't walk away from his sale enjoy times. And the woman looked at me. Like, I said now. And I said is there anybody else at your house? It would wanna buy go Scott cookies, and she said, no again, and again, I just stood there. And she looked at me like no again. And then I sit with their anybody's day, you would make if you bought girl scout cookies and she bought a box. Now that taught me so much that taught me persistence resilience, right? How do you get to the? Yes. And I'll tell you my career has been a lot about that about being persistent about being resilient. How do you get to the? Yes. So I'm grateful. I had that girl scout experience because it really gave me those times tools to be successful. But to be honest, it's not just me half of all female elected officials in America would girl scouts this last class that was elected to the house of Representative like sixty percent of maternal scouts in almost every astronaut was a girl scout. So it wasn't dismayed made that girl cutting experience it, you know, help to be persistent resilient courageous brave to be able to make your goals there. So many lessons in every single one your stories, and they really I feel like I could run through a wall just hearing your stories because they're so inspiring girl scouts are pretty known for their badges in in the patches. And I found it really interesting that you have a C E O patch. And there's a couple cool symbols on there. Could you tell us what the symbols are on your CEO patch in what lessons are stories that relate back to? I'm grateful the asked that the only way you get that is by meaning me, and with my patch in I Quaid it to like video game with three layers the first one is there's a planet on my patch. And it is one of the missions that I worked on which is wage or to it did apply this planet. So when you see my patch? I asked girls what planet is it. It's dupage are in you know, that because of the big red dot so girls don't know that I get to help teach them that you know, when you look at a planet. You see a big red dot that's the red storm. I worked on the boy to and analyze a lot of data coming. Back of that fly by of the moons Iowan Europa. So, you know, that's that symbol in and their stars in the stars represent my troop leaders in my mom now, the second element of my patch is when I call word problem in, you know, a lot of people in MAC, oh, don't like word problems. But it is every atom has a nucleus in. What is my nucleus? And when you look at my patch. There is the symbol of the atom. And there was somebody something in the middle the nucleus. And that is the girl scout travel, so go scouts is might nucleus. So you have to learn a lot from that. You have to know what an at the symbol of anatomies. You are nucleus in in that nucleus rocket ship, which is can harbinger back to might however in my science badge making a rocket SD's rocket in that rocket on. My badge says CEO, and if you go to my Lincoln profile, there's video about this. And then last, but not least is are my three favorite mass symbols. And I do have favorite Matt simple. So I. Sigma which looks like an e or a backwards three in that's the Greek symbol in. It means summation to add in when I discovered how to create opportunity, and how could I track my progress to that opportunity was by adding adding my cookie sales adding my cookie revenue so I loved to add so summation the next one is is and that's because when I was earning a cramps badge. I was making something it was actually a gym bag with round ends in the wasn't a pattern in my mother said how do you know, how much material are you gonna measure it, especially with the round ends in? Oh, don't worry. Mom, I measured the circumference. It's too pie on and she slight gradulate Neth me her because she had no idea what I've talking about. Then the final wells in final simple Infinity, and it's like girl scouts gave me infinite potential. So it's a fun patch. And I have both stickers patches for for when people want it. And it's kind of fun. You know, it's it's a very unique business card. I actually I'm very proud to own one of those men. I'd love it. I show it to my daughter all the time. And I really am so excited about getting her in day girl scouts when it's time. But just to kind of illustrate again for our listeners some of the barriers that you had coming up against us not to belabor the points. But just so that people have kind of a broader understanding of of your past in how that contributed if you are today, you did mention that your guidance counselor said that you couldn't be in junior. And I remember reading in your book about one of the I think it was a dean at the New Mexico state university said, but your girl are you? Sure, you want to be an engineer in. They didn't even believe that you felt out the application. How how do you get past that over and over and over in? How can we instill that kind of persist? Since in the students that reach your that person to that resilience. I think that, you know, not taking no for an answer three times. Really matters figuring out. What is the issue? So in my book until that story of how I play drums in the I was the first chair if I chair normally got to choose their marching band instrument off vantage just purchase Tim volleys that were pretty heavy back in the day. And I said I wanted to put Bali's in my band director said, no. And I kept going. Why know why no in you can't take his it's girl? Why any said there too heavy? I don't think you can carry them. You know, it's gonna be in parade. You're gonna be walking miles with them. And I thought okay now, that's that's what I have to solve for up to solve for that. In all end in the book, a ride about what I did to work out in in in get ready, and I did and I was able to to carry the instruments, but you know, later on in my careers when I wanted to do global. Leadership in bilingual bicultural. And I was told I couldn't go I can travel overseas people when respect me whatever or it was unsafe. You know on my own paid for my ticket traveled to this country's came back with proof that was there. I met with customers and everything went well. And so it's like what is the real challenge? What is the real thing that you have to overcome in? Once you understand that then you can solve for that. And and not just let somebody just put you off by saying, no. But what is the reason behind that now? And when she once you do that, and you can even solve that. You know, the the other issue that you brought up is when I hit applied in again going back in my time. They didn't even think girls are gonna go after engineering scholarship. So when you feel that this form, they didn't even know my gender. And when it turns out, I want it. They wanted to personally interview me because they just didn't. I had answered the questions. I'm so they made me answer a lot of questions. But you know, I just took that as this is what I need to do to get this. And I knew it 'cause I answer the questions I claimed I knew how to change the oil, and they asked me to step through it in when I step through every step of changing oil in a car. They said, well, you just watched your dad it may be lack my dad's never change the oil car yet. You just have to be that persistence in that resilience that I learned you know, it really does pay off. I think that those are stories are so amazing. And like I said I plan on reading your straits might my son who's five my daughter who's three just over and over because I think those lessons that you don't take other people's assumptions as ceilings on your life are just like Ben Zada could run through a while. They're so inspiring. I'm curious you mentioned bilingualism, and I'm curious for you. What what is it men's in your life for you to be bilingual? I think it must be such an asset. Like, I've always wanted to nor the language not enough to take classes actually, follow up. On it. But it's probably not always been sunshine Rose's, either who was fantastic now that I know little bit were about brain science is that you know, if you're by lingual, develops your brain in a way that you can create a lot of synapses in linkages. And I think that's probably one of the reasons I've been able to come up with innovative ideas in connect the dots. Because when you're young you're having to realize, no, that's an English nets in Spanish, you just know that you're able to make those switches, then you're able to say, oh, I need to connect this, you know, in this language or make that connection in that language. So think it really developed my brain in a lot of ways. And I think that was really great. And then I use that as opportunity when I wanted was working technology and moved over to work in global and to say, look, you know, I'm bilingual by cultures opportunity. But you know, I also do bring up in the book when I was enrolled in I in head start in growing up. My name with Sylvia Elliot on Somme along head off. For names in Kazan is in our culture. That's how your name you include your mother's surname as well. But when I got to school the form only had two names, and they told me when I said, what's your name? I said Elliott among she said choose to nose like, so my mom said say Sylviane survey though, and I went home, and I asked my dad, he said, that's just how things are. So you know, I felt kind of bad leaving my mom out. But you so you realize that's a little different. But I'm glad I put those sections in the book because in Saint Louis in a librarian said she was reading the book to her class. And there was a boy she had never reached at all in class in. He always seemed checked out. And when she was reading the part about how I translated for my family and others, and he suddenly came to life, and he goes, oh, that's what I have to do. It's so exhausting. Bee's that boy speaks like, oh my God. He's alive he care. And she said I just never thought about it in now she had a connection with them. And she thanked me for having that in the book because they were able to use the book in a way to connect with him that she had never been able to bridge that gap before that's amazing sink about the importance of people's names in people's culture. Like that in how that brings asset to they're doing in the classroom, which really I think it's great that you share that story in that. It's reaching so many people ended so important because if you think about today in with global technology English has become a standard language English used to be elite language being an American use book, the most elite language in the world. But now English is defacto language of business. So you have a hundred million people in China speaking, very fluent English one hundred number than that what more almost a billion people in India. Speaking fluent English. Right. So suddenly the world is a lot flatter. And so you used to be able to be competitive because you geographic proximity here in the US in. You also spoke the elite language will. It's no longer a leak and now geographic proximity depending on your job may not be a big issue. You can do you know at a distance. So but service in sales is always done in the local language. And so if we only speak English when we try to sell overseas, we're going to miss service in sales opportunities because we don't speak the local language, but yet everyone in the world is learning English. So they can take away our jobs in service in sales. So it also becomes a competitive opportunity for careers to know another language for Americans. So we covered in kinda as Becky in. Our brainstorm in this episode. We loved all your stories, but then we loved all the lessons. We think we can learn as a public education institute. Titian from girl scouts in how they've modernized. And so can you talk to us a little bit about what you think public. Ed can learn from girl scouts a institution. That's well over one hundred years old, and how is girl scouts no longer your mother's or grandmother's girl scouts when it's a great question. And there are some things that are still the same. And then there's some things that are different the things that are still the same is we've been learning organization from the very beginning our founder over one hundred years ago, we were founded when we're moving from the agrarian age to the industrial age and one of the reasons she really wanted to do badges in the way that she did. It was a lot of girls did not have the ability to show their certification that they knew something because in that day is many opportunities for girls. So how do you show girls that you have you show others that you know, about electricity? You know, a pilot's badge construction a carpentry badge. Outdoor badge all of those things. Those were some of our first badges, which were very science technology engineering math. But those badge showed others, I know how to do this. So we were learning organization from the very beginning it that was really important. So now a hundred years later, we're still learning organization, but now removing from the industrial age to the digital age. So our badges are reflective of the type of things that are important to know now. So obviously a lot still with the great outdoors, and I like to tell people the first essence stem is science sciences, the great outdoors, and we make sure that a vast majority of our badges journey works are unplugged. So that's really important 'cause yes, you need to know about digital. But you also need to be able to think in wonder with the whole world not being limited by screen. So science learning like skills that nasty that persistence resilience. That's very entrepreneurial. So our cookie program. But also what we're doing with stem. When you look at what's happening in education. Our educational model has stayed the same. We look at girl potential, and then we say how can we teach that girl a skill those badges were talking about, but then what makes girl scouts different than almost every other youth serving nonprofit is we ask her to take action. She has to do something, and we asked her to take community service along if you take action on something do to help others, and then the fourth element of our our model is that carrying adult that mentor that troop leader who looked to develop at tiles potential. So when you thinking about education, it, you know, now when you can kind of invert the classroom have kids learn the material, but then come in discuss it in the classroom that teacher becomes more that mentor developing their potential, but I think the other thing that girl scouts his been really successful in when you're asking somebody to do something. To make an impact that also kind of grounds in all sorts of the experiential learning, and we make a big deal of how to include all the five senses in in in our work. I'm real excited about we'd have different service, noon ING awards, which are are bronze silver, and we ask girls to go in take action in their community to make it a better place. So, you know, it could be, you know, apart bench or could be working or doing something for the homeless excetera, but we also have a premier award. And there's a lot of organizations that have great service community service leadership award in that's fantastic. But it goes counts. We also have our gold award, which is a sustainable solution for societal grand challenge. And I have to say I'm impressed with some of the girls that do this project every year about at least three girls that are still in highschool change state laws mates amazing because change child marriage in New Hampshire. Stop secondhand smoke into states increase another straw, Starbucks. Yes. That was a goal to project -absolutely she still in high school and colleges today when back to education colleges today are looking in employers are looking for those people who can't take on grand challenge in and make a difference. So I had a a college admissions officer who I can't name what university is it's it's a top university. And he said when we see a gold award of girls it when we see it gold award on a girls resume we are medically put it in the final package because we know she's taken on societal grandchild. Like you said like come on. There's a girl. In high school who got Alaska Airlines. Starbucks California to do no straw November. And she's still in high school insect pretty the one when I got you brought that EKO glue. Can you tell us about that y'all? All yeah. And you know, that was a middle school girl assess I know so we have a big thing about what our mission is to create girls of courage confidence encounter who make the world better place. So that's what we teach from when they're on up. So these girls are middle school in there on a robotics team inside note, almost every I think every all girl winning robotics team has been ago. Scott T troop when we get robotics badges now from age five on up, but they're visiting scrolls visiting her grandmother in a nursing home. And she sees all these star foam cups that she said this is bad for the environment. Being good girl scout she goes and talks to the manager and says, you know, you shouldn't have these star Ben he looks at her goes, they're cheap. You know? So get over it. So, you know, I think part of the story is she was in Saint Louis. But she got a robotics team together. And they began figuring out. What can you do with styrofoam? Where can you do with you styrofoam and they created solvent, which I think is a very industrial application in there in Saint Louis. I think they were if they were in Los Angeles created I dunno surfer borders thing so forth, but you know, instant Lewis you create a solvent. And they created glue that you can use for paper out of the star home and have a patent pending on it. I love that. Because they want. They knew I have the skills. Now, what can I do to make the world better place? And I I love this kinds of examples. The great thing about my job is naked probably regale you with that for hours with all the great things that girls do because it got that Kurds the confidence the skill sets. And also because we focus on civics allot. That's one of the reasons why we are eight percent of the population. More than half of automobile elected officials in America regret scouts is. Because when you're young and you realize I can make a difference in civics people pay attention. So I just recently a brownie saw her park was really not kept up and she wrote a letter to their mayor saying my troop wants to be part of the solution. Let's fix this park. So what mayor's gonna say sorry, I'm not gonna take you up on it. And so they fixed the park so the seven year old girl realizes, I'm doing something that helps my community and the mayor's paying attention in made the mayor, and you know, what I could be him some day. So I think that you know, that's why we over index so much in women leaders and in women civic leaders as well. So I wanna ask a foul that I think what when you speak about it. And when I've had other conversations with people about had engaged girls in stem fields and things like this. I think the coupling of stem and civics is a really powerful strategy and one that girl scouts his done. Really? Well, do you think that that's a way to get more underrepresented participants in more involved in some fields? Also as kind of a corollary to that. I'm curious about what stem means to you. I everybody's got a different definition. Even though it's four letters. And everybody knows what those letters stand for. But would stem mean in what is it look like to you know, to the first one in terms of getting girls interested, especially girls underrepresented. So giving example where working with one partner, and their, you know, their mission in life. Their reason is there they provide solutions to keep America safe from those who do as harm in the air the land of the sea. They notice there's a huge workforce gap, especially or cute Lii in maritime solutions is just not a lot of girls that are really looking at feels that are in that category. And they said, you know, one of the ways you get girls or anyone interested is understanding buoyancy in understanding center. Gravity. So if you get those that's the way to start and they said, here's how you do. It you teach you get girls to build a boat in any get girls to race the boat. And that's how the learn and we said, you know, girls scouts were experts in how girls learn and lead. And so we get your trying to buoyancy and centre of gravity. So we'll get growth, but we're gonna do minimum wage it's of interest girls. So our middle school journey is girls build a model of corgi dog. And according to dog is like the queen's staunch short legs low center, gravity you create that model dog, and it has to float upright acacia mmediately, and you have to name it. And so that middle school girl, they create this dog, and she has to float upright because if it doesn't float out right drowns, and then it has very short legs in it's not really known as strong swimmer Shaka create of a flotation device. So I will tell you a lot of. Girls in middle school are not interested in building a boat in racing about. But I will tell you girls are very interested in making sure they're corgi does not drown. You know, the Corey that they've named and so they learn those concepts, but it weighs it is relevant to them. And I'm really excited that we are doing a lot around stem. But looking at it from the lens of how do you make the world of replace? We know that girls ranking is not as importing as important as linking, you know, that community the friendships the friendship network the friendship circle that really matters to two girls in how they learn and we really build our solution. So that they that's how they learn. I'll give you another quick one. Which is how do you teach networking and a lot of times? People wanna talk about protocol layers. The first layer in networking is physical air. What how we did it to teach brownies? As we get girls to sit in a circle and talk, and they love to do that. And then we'd get up all of yarn, and they pass the yarn amongst themselves as they're talking and after a short amount of time, they see that. The physical yarn has gone in connected. All of them, even though they may not have spoken to each other. But it's connected all of them, and we show them. That's a physical network like L A got that. And that is really the is the basis for not just learning about communications in communications technology, but also science in neurons in that type of at work. So we are those experts in how girls learn lead. And we make sure our programming has that. Now, it wise it matter to me right now the world is being recreated around technology. And I want girls not just to be users. But the creators in the inventors in the designers, so that it does reflect us does reflect our needs our concerns in the way we link in connec. To win another. And I think the are needed in marketing we are needed in design. We are needing entrepreneurs as coders as the lawyers as we're defining the rules of technology and digital and privacy. All those issues we need to have a woman's perspective in a girl's perspective of because it's his we're half the population and use reference to a number of times on your website. I think it says you've been that girl scouts are experts in how girls learn is that are those approaches super different than how boys learn or how do you kind of have that discussion rowan's gender inclusion in things like that since you guys are girl scouts will soon. It's really important. We really just focused on Earl, and that's because we know that girls doing non traditional things, we'll do it in a girl only space, and that's why we over index with Pino having female, doctors female, astronauts, all those kinds of things because you learn the skills in that girl only space if you're learning in the. Code space in school. We wouldn't have the workforce gap we have. But we know that in girl scouts we really over index in leadership in technology in a variety of other industries. And that's because you've gotten the courage the confidence you're able to try and do it in a girl only environment, you felt more safe or competent until you got the skill at that level. And once you have that confidence, you know, you go out into the coed world in our girl scouts rule in dominate. That's fantastic. But but then to your other thing question about learnt learning. So the defacto in a lot of cases is just the male experience and back to that the building the rowboat or building the boat racing the boat that was the defacto norm. And we look at it from a lens of is racing in middle school building about racing is that really want to do when our experience, and we have an institute with psychologists and with PHD's who. Really create who do research primary research where about to come out with digital decoding digital natives research project. So you'll if you go to our side, you'll see a lot of grads of three research on on how girls learn me, very important stats about about that entrance as well. So one of the things we also know that girls really liked to interact and communicate and using that network example is is another one, you know, instead of like individually getting the girls to learn this. We do it in a collective group sitting around a circle talking like, yeah, they love doing that. And they learn the lesson as well. So, you know, don't give you a more, advanced example for older girls. Again, another one of our partners said don't we don't have enough girls who really understand not just the robotic arms. But but they really wanted them to have girls really understand robotic arms and being able. To to move them move object. And so we said, okay, give us let us figure out. How do we get girls interested, and what that story in that? What we call that journey that the girls are solving is we tell the story of there's an elephant herd Africa that is led by matriarch, and they are baby elephants. The matriarch leader of the herd gets caught in a hunter's snare in loses a limb you have to create that Lim, otherwise the entire herd and the baby elephants will die. Okay. Grills? Will they'll like they don't say, oh, I really need know about mechanical engineering need to know about physics. They go and say I'm going to keep that mom get that elephant back on her feet. I'm gonna figure this out. So we see that we see that with for example, our cyber security. We have many girls working on different projects because cyber security is influencing how we civically engage. Wjr. But there was one girl I met in the cultural feels in California and what she's working on for her grand challenge. Gold award is she said with the internet of things controlling tractors combines. She said, I'm focusing on. What happens to the sustainability of our food supply when the internet of things is hacked in our tractors combines can't function at that. You know, she's learning about cyber security to make the world a better place. And I really yeah. So we really we know that girls tend to over index of I don't wanna be an engineer just to be an engineer. I wanna be an engineer because I'm going to help people do something to help the elephant help the elephant herd, I'm gonna keep the corgi alive. And we see that over and over with the projects that they do in their communities as well. That's beautiful. Whereas I would try to get the elephants to battle in try to head south. So. Point. And another when you talk about just the experience is pretty much normal for the male in education. You also told a story about cancer research in nineteen ninety two and how a girl scout was was that her gold project that helped change that I don't know her goal project, but she went to congress and said, you know, how much of our government funded or federally funded cancer research was done on women and the answer was Zemo. It's next question. How much of breast cancer research? Federally funded was done on women in the early nineties and the answer was zero. And you said how and they said what we didn't know how to factor for hormones that bind. Bye. Law change. So that federal funds. I mean, the federal funded cancer research had to be also included women. And after that, that's why breast cancer is no longer necessarily a death sentence. We have seen a huge huge amount of research coming from that and life expectancies improve. And I'm grateful. She asked that question because it had not been asked, and therefore the research had not been done at that level in once it was done at that level with improved outcomes. It obviously spreading seem thing. Now was like maternity in. I'm pregnant women that a lot of testing of you know, obviously, it's dangerous, but isn't done on them. So then when they end up taking medicines during their pregnancy at it, south number of different ways because they just haven't figured out the research. That's unbelievable. It is. And also the norm is once again for almost all the over the counter drugs. The norm is a. One hundred eighty pound male, not a female. So as when I take some cold prescriptions. I have to cut it because I'll get way to be. But no, I'm not the, you know, I'm not the norm disting-, I'm hundred mail is the norm. So I got a cut the dosage never thought about that. Wow. Wow. Yeah, we not all the industries have have changed. But at least the funding on the cancer research federal had been changed in. We were all beneficiary the fat. Hundred percent. So you right girl scouts is is changing girls lives. It's giving them confidence. It's also making our world better. I guess what is one thing that you wish teachers knew about girl scouts, and how could we really increase a partnership between schools in girl scouts. I would really appreciate that. You know, we have so many girls and the nation that would benefit from this. So you don't have to do troupe all by yourself, and we have a variety of different ways that you can do troops as well. I think some people think, oh, it's just that after school mom model. But actually, we are incredibly flexible in the different ways that we can do troops. And we do really like the troop model because it takes girl potential teaches a skill adds for to apply the skill, but also has carrying adult who's there to develop her potential, and so you could have a group of teachers who could be part of troops or teachers could invite the girl scouts in. In because so much of what we're doing fit. So well with what what is being taught in science technology, engineering math, some of the outdoor skills data analytics, you know, being aware of, you know, the flora and fauna trees all types of things that you might wanna learn we're teaching as well as a social emotional learning skills. Those are showcase what I would love. Teachers get to know today's girl scouts invite them into your classroom. We are very different than any other organization, including other physicians share are less name. We're focused on girls only, and we have the research in the results that really has easing life outcomes. I can't tell you. I know we're up on time. And I cannot tell you how much we appreciate you both taking the time in also telling your incredible stories that just will continue to inspire people for generations. I'm sure of it. Thank you so much for being you in for for being with us today. I wanna thank you. And I wanna thank all the teachers that are out there. I'm here because of great teachers, great public schoolteachers, and I'm so grateful for all the teachers wherever you teach in what you're doing to develop the rising generation. So thank you. Okay. Ben, let's close up shop wedge learn while so much for stuff that our favorite girl scout cookies thin meant has to be mine too about you Becky, what's yours at Abbas gonna save ten meant to. But I don't wanna take your as the peanut butter one the tag along usually just eat salted meats in lift weights. But I guess if you eat cookies, that's fine noble. Honestly, I loved what Sylvia said about really finding the no behind the no, right? That her marching band teacher said no girls can't carry that drum in marching band. And she figured out that the real reason behind the marching band teacher saying that was that he didn't think she was strong enough. And so she addressed that concern. And I think so often and education, we might get a no from a student, and that no might be actually them saying, no or might just be their behavior. And there's always a root causes. Always something behind their misbehavior behind their disengagement. And it's our job as teachers to really find the no behind the no. And so I want to next time. I hear no or Sinoe in behavior from students or people I work with I really wanna seek to understand. What's the true? Meaning behind that thought that was great to hear from her. How about you? Becky. That's awesome. That's awesome. And that's one of the things that struck me. Most about the book when I read it to which really is I wasn't just blowing smoke like it's it's really good. If you have kids or or you work with middle schoolers, it's a really cool one to pick up off the shelf for them. But a couple of things when she talked about how it those kids were waiting in a line to see her speak. And she thought really it was because you know, they don't often get to engage with rocket scientists that look like her thought that was it was really intense. And I think we have a lot of students that maybe we sometimes don't spend enough time trying to show those people to and let them see what they can be in really expose them to all of the different. People out there that are doing amazing work that might not look like you were me. And then I was really struck to buy when she was speaking about linguistic, Asian, and what an asset it can be. But that to help to honor those students cultures as well and bring that coversation into the fold like all those things I need to get so much better at and so that's kind of like an ongoing learning for me as well. But this episode was loaded with tangible takeaways for teachers, so we want to build that up a little bit as well. So Siri what time is it? It's time to get out of our heads and into the classroom. Any simply please help me. You. It. Well, that is right. It is out of our heads into the classroom. The part of the show where we give you actionable advice tangible tips that you can bring your classroom the next day. And today, we're trying to make them all somewhat girl scout related so my first one was I was really impressed in challenged by the gold award that she talked about just that idea that there is this monumental unreachable goal that girls can do in girl scouts and get that gold award. And that she heard from college professors that that's basic or college admission that that's basically automatic entry into one of their schools. How cool that is. And an oboe scouts has the same thing with the eagle scout award that really hard tasks to achieve and I just thought how neat would it be? If at the start your year you've set a couple of those goals for kids. It is going to be really really insanely difficult and maybe one kid a year one kid every three years actually hits that. But how great to have that out? There is a goal in. I taught government in US history for a lot of years. I was thinking for me, maybe it would have been that. I would encourage my students to go to town hall meeting actually, speak up or that they would call their legislator. Not stop calling till actually got to talk to them. Or maybe you're a teacher, and maybe an elementary school teacher in use at the goal of reading one hundred eighty books outside of the the actual classroom. So I think having a really hard difficult goal out there for students is really motivating it could just be an awesome badge on the year. Good went badge. Speaking of badges. Another cool idea is make badges for your class. Have the kids generate the topics, and what would be required or what kind of things they want to work on. And then you could three D print those or create have them create logos. And then send it to you know, to print stickers that they can use on on their devices or on their lockers things like this. And if you school g or another learning management system, those sometimes enable you to have students help you design badges and create a classroom or even a school wide system for badges and mini certifications industry. Does that all the time like IBM, for example, their employees were just here? The other day talking about how they're earning badges to to further their professional learning, and that's something that we could be doing classrooms to. Yeah. It'd be it'd be awesome. With those badges to whatever management system, you're using field students put those badges in their profile picture. So that other students see if it is a digital badge. That'd be a great way to display it as opposed to physical badge. Becky, you'd said about how do we? We make sure that students see themselves in leaders around the country that really hit me as well that it is so important that the all those kids lined up to see Sylvia because they'd never seen a rocket scientist who looked like her and one of the reasons I think girl scouts is. So popular is the community aspect that it brings in. So my next tip is how can you use just the power of video now to bring people who look different than you to the eyes of your students and really leveraging your family connections in your class. I think it'd be a great thing at the start of the year to ask students to may be say people that they have in their lives that would be willing to make little videos or FaceTime into your class about a certain topic. Even if that thing that their face timing in is about a failure. Oh, I think it'd be really neat to reach out to your family and bring them into your classroom with with video. That's a really good idea. And then another one I wanna talk about Sylvia spoke lot about creating opportunity through sy-. Civic engagement and recently our social studies coordinator in in our district pet. She shared with us, some amazing resources on engaging in civic action in your classroom. So I'll link those in show notes, but one of the ones I wanna call out is this guidebook for civic engagement. It comes from the National Center for learning and civic engagement, and they give examples and strategies as well as they outlined what good civic engagement instruction looks like in a classroom, and how to support students in taking local or even global action on matters that are important to them kinda like you were talking about before bed as always thank you so much for listening. I hope you like this conversation as much as we did. And if you like this up, so could you share it with a friend? And if you are now or wherever girl scout, please add that to your linked profile. I'll have to do that before. This goes live have a great generic time of day.

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Interview with Eric Post

Habits Of The Few with Mo Naboulsi

40:10 min | 3 months ago

Interview with Eric Post

"Back. Identity and the addiction to having a problem because we have a problem season connect to yourself. You have a problem it's easy sympathy around. Sympathy in connection Wieder success goal and seemingly happy all the time and got money and vacations all kinds of stuff. So the bigger problem you have the more fucking people pay attention to you, right? Welcome. To the habits of the field. Well, we got rediscussed habits, rituals and mindset tactics that you can use to reach your version of success, and now here's your host. no-ball seat. I've actually talked to him. No I actually talked. He actually does it intentionally does it on purpose right yet it's an intentional plant of certain words during some of his presence. Obviously goes out script and he's passionate as well. But. was barely very intentional when he say you've talked to him about it. Off. Very cool. I didn't hear on. The base with Mr Robbins now it's been a few years but I've been to everyone of events I've been to his He hasn't backed. We could talk about that during the thing I've been to his up. He's Got Fiji. I went to a couple of times with him and his team on forty guys So it's really intimate settings you know just him and his team. Were there just unleashing all his knowledge on us? So preschool that's incredible I I think that's that's the most like. When you get people like that in a room. Everyone's everyone's on the same wavelength like the beauty and the magnitude of what can be developed and encompassing that time. It's just incredible and that's why masterminds I think are so huge if if the person running the mastermind is in direct correlation with your values, your morals ethics, you're driven business whatever. But that's really really really cool. How what would you say is the most I guess the most impactful one that you went to outside of that. Specific one in Fiji just of his. Mastery will. I would say. I want to say date with destiny but truly it was probably the first up w 'cause that's what kicked off. It. So you know that's Kinda got the ball rolling and the. Ultimately led me to a million different opportunities and transformed my entire life. And we should probably talk about that. Actually I think that's a good i. think that's a good segue. So prior to you going to the first Tony Robbins experience. Where were you add in life? I was at Malcolm, low? I was at my all time. Lows may sixteenth two thousand like there was a specific day even and one thousand percents woke up that morning and completely realized that. Where I was. Was the result of all of my past nagging. All of my best thinking got me there in the middle of the real estate crash. And so on May Sixteenth two, thousand eight was that moment was like, okay. Well, if I want a new. I don't WanNa say life because that sounds cheesy but a new situation, a new outlook, a new direction ahead, not change in all of my old thanking replace it with something though. So I, I literally spent all of my extra cash on on a young development for an entire year and I flew all over the world I went every Robin Seminar I read up over one hundred books I went to every webinars seminar interviewed people met every spectacular human being I from Olympic athletes, billionaires to whatever and just replaced all of my old thinking with my current. On a whole so So and how long if you don't mind me asking but how long were you in that whole four and what was it that triggered you to be like I'm done with this I need something. So it was, it was that morning when I woke up and I went out to the breakfast table in my kitchen, we got to to eating areas right sat down the one eating area with my daughter. And, that morning at done some math and realize law seven figures already that year right of my net worth and it was a little bit painful as like okay. Here it is. Like was just lucky everything. I've ever had was something created revolt my team or with the assistance of somebody else obviously. But you know when I left the house when I was seventeen eighteen years old I went to the Marine Corps and honor box the financial systems I've ever received so. I I looked around and I was like, okay. Now, all this everything that we had never experienced lucky was good right and I was like my God just happened me. I've lost all this money network. Mike. What was going on and and I sat down and and my daughter reached over amateurs about four of the time and she kind of poked me poked me in the gut I lost a gala weight and lost track of Venice and I literally broke down. And literally just broke down God Dang not the man I should be right now not the father should be not the provider I should be at the security blanket. I should be enough of that. The producer should be right and and I knew that was destined for south of sitting there and my daughter was got up and I was like fuck this. This is the day that literally everything changes and I said you know start with my with my fitness earthquakes, develop habits and. Skills around getting my fitness back then that my mind will follow and that momentum will create momentum to other areas of my life's over ninety days. Starring may sixty two, thousand, eight. I was on strips rips. I had a buddy who had a health all his company said I'm going to be your model citizen for ninety days. Whatever you tell me to do I won't do it just kind of I will do a one hundred percent note if hazard butts. Over ninety days I eight, exactly the way told me not exactly the way he told me the worst thing I did was take a single eminem put my mouth chewed out, spit it out like that's the worst thing I did I a perfectly clean. In fact I have these two like had never done before Russia I keep these at my desk by credible my desperate ear I took a picture before picture after it. It was literally just laid the nine how the ninety I've never done before never shared it like this before they see here every day stare at it. So this is like what happens we don't pay attention. This is what happens when you give up your ego give up your thinking when you submit to a process, this is what happens right so that's what I did I just went from there. That's powerful at so powerful only because I can relate from the stance of a father. When my kids were born. I had found success I had made money, and then I had lost money that I was in a funk. Where I was going to go and then When I found out that my kids were born. And bringing them home into this crappy shitty apartment. After living in a house prior. And looking at my life and where it was I was like what the fuck am I doing. Like wh where where was wind in the road that just completely destroyed everything that had bill. and was it a kind of like you like where you just lucky wasn't a facade? Was it a fluke slowly you know what? What was it that triggered that and something just snapped in me and I just decided right then it wasn't even it wasn't like. It was like a spark just decide I, decide that this is it I'm going to make changes I'm going to do what? It's what I need to get done and I will figure out the path dig most people tend to. Over complicate the whole scenario, would you agree like you have to figure out step A. Through Z. and then you have to write out the plan and I'm not against writing plans and goals and things like that but. But most people. Try to plan and plan and plan, but they never take action I think that action is. Making that decision internally and externally to just do it. I think we have the stigma that Asia's paralysis by over analysis. Right. Would you would you agree why don't just agree. I know for a fact, but I also think that the thing that. The actual decision to be made is decision that you're no longer going to be that identity that person right civically is not the decision to like I said, you know do fitness challenge or something like that is the decision to no longer be a smoker or broke person or a mad person or personnel depress right not by clinical by choice right the mood. That identity in the addiction having a problem because when you have a problem, it's easy to yourself. When you have a problem, it's easy sympathy around A. Sympathy and connection or successful, and seemingly happy all the time got money implications on kind of stuff. So the bigger problem you have the more can people put pay attention to you right look if breaking that addiction probably breaking the fixture that drama is the very first thing is saying, I am no longer person mill longer victim of the economy on no longer victim about relationship of no longer a bad parents I no longer unhealthy right and soon that identity change. In everything else becomes third, every single action item becomes clear. We know who you actually want to become than everything else unfolds. But that takes guts that takes courage to to shedules get. Hurt you let that go one, hundred percent and I and I think it's ever I would even take it as further and say. It's forever ongoing. Oh Gosh I said like, I. I'm not the man I was yesterday today and I don't WanNa be in ten years. The man that I am today I want to be a better version of myself ten years in the future if I'm where I'm at today. I failed myself right. You just pointed right one, hundred percent. So let me ask you this. You're in the forgive me you're in the real estate or the mortgage industry no couple industries I have a Hokkien real estate company homebuilding development and some commercial is still on board I used to own a multiple office brokerage and a couple of mortgage companies. I sent sold those on them on the board. They're actors at active licensee were investors in billers on projects and do my own stuff I'm a venture capitalist for some startup companies have been start space for a few years doing some consulting work there I do business consulting in different fields, lot mortgage entitled real estate, but also in any kind. And then also like I opened a restaurant in wellness restaurant. So a couple different things since I've sold, the company have been turned figured out true untrue entrepreneur yet actually, this is one of the actually got from Tony Robbins Fiji. So. I'm sitting there. We're talking about businesses during the break and I just I made the comment I'm like man were amongst all these entrepreneurs I've always labeled myself entrepreneur people always thought road had lots of different businesses of tried and failed whatnot but it never it never felt exactly right and the more we talk to you is no, no no, you're not entrepreneur you're a creative that expresses your creativity to business. And I was like That's exactly right. I was expressing these ideas on these concepts, these creative juices through a business to make it something tangible and I had. Sesame obviously, I couldn't just play music and I couldn't just you play right right right. But I was using creativity to to to strategize in marketing in creation of concepts and products and services, and was using my creative juices not land for natural juices. So I felt like this weight just getting lifted off me I'm like, no, I'm not enough new created guy that can put together a team in a process to make a successful business. I don't have to be an entrepreneur wants for newer or or trying put myself in that category, but a creative person could not standing businessperson be. Properly they actually are. I love that because I. I've been in I grew up my father, my uncles I grew up in a family of entrepreneurs or business builders whatever. And But I grew up as a creative person. I was a musician. I was a singer, a wrote poetry. I read Sonnets and. I studied arts, and then all of a sudden I started getting into a business and find that avid natural at it. But it you're right. It's not. I love that yeah. I wouldn't I wouldn't label myself as an entrepreneur then. Literally like clicked for me. That's it's crazy. 'cause I always felt was like Nah, not really yes, and that's why the whole shift in other words I was like, okay. I'm now a creative guy that gets the business to express it and was just a whole game changer. For you too. So so let me ask you how has your new. Shift. In perspective and in life and your evolution of who you are today, how has that trickle down into business? How you do business because I think that's that's a huge facet of it right? Because you're elevating yourself, you're becoming this new version this better version. And maybe let's say where you were at before the old version of you wouldn't necessarily be doing business with let's say this set of people or how you would do business. So how wouldn't mind talking about it? How how is that kind of help? evolved. About it. Especially, small business owner or solo poor or even the founder or CEO. The entire company is a is a direct reflection of how honest you are L. productive you are you know how if you're a procrastinator or not like really that that entire data views, your entire business organization, your team, your thoughts, concepts, the specificity or not. So the stronger, the more complete of a human being you are the absolute impacted house on every facet of your financial. and. The minute you identify like Oh by business isn't working years. It is is a reflection of who you are arts in that example, and so I can't tell you that and that's why I keep. Like I'm never finished version of anything that has nothing to want or lack. That has everything to do with a complete understanding that every single day is new like you talked about every opportunity is different the the market's changed life cycles of business in your management team in the market changes. So at any point in time the minute your opportunity on A. Set of rules or old set of understanding or the old. You is the minute that you lost all your competitive edge right and there isn't a business that has any competitive edge, a another marketing plan technology, not a website at a product or service. None of those are actual competitive edge, the only competitive as your willingness to continue to grow and learn. And the company or the CEO. The Solar Solar preneurs entrepreneur that has the understanding that my competitive edge is to have zero Eagle attached to who I am, who is businesses in your costly volleying enrolling in expanding than bad is your competitive advantage in every single industry so It just I'm so open and not being okay with knowing all of open and not being the best I'm. So I'm still willing just as a not I'm really. That's on me. Let's let's better. Right? It's. There's there's it's I love I love that making the sick I like, oh, shoot that's a revelation. Let's. Let's do something different. So anyways I. I feel like. If. Our talk to every day, I would get smarter and more successful. Thanks for that. Oreg that that that that's so eye opening for me, and it's like a lot of times a lot of these things that you hear you ever hear like that notion that you got to hear something over and over again for finally clicks. And sometimes, it's not just that sometimes, it's the way that is being portrayed or described or the moment in time and space that you're currently or at the circumstance, and so I don't know if it was just the circumstance whatever you just said like I'm pumped right now I'm on fire. I Like I want to get going as soon as I get off this call I have so many ideas. I appreciate that. Tell me a little bit about I don't WanNA get too into disturbed descriptive but by being a father being able to work from home having the flexibility and how that has affected your life and the lives of your children because I know it's done tremendous for mine. It has one of the things that with with my children especially as parents. I'm not trying to create little mini versions of me not living through children I don't want something for them that they don't want for themselves a we have just caused a discussions about the the importance of critical independent thinking, and so there are very few things I'm like here's how you need to think about this is always it's always always always here all of the ideas let's help slow them all curate help you curate the information. And then we'll sort from those together than you can tell me what what the result is that you come at the end of that. So so I've never tried it like imprint on them. You need to be an entrepreneur you to work from home reading to be this or. Having pensions better like we, there's none of that. The only thing I am trying to imprint on them is is. I don't WANNA say homework but but. Just a bare bones honesty. That's it. Like barebones honestly I think a leader doesn't see things better than they are worse are but just exactly as it is. In if I can continue to help them to see things for exactly what it is the decisions of whether to go to college in honor what college or the Mary or what kind of job together, we'll sports to play. If they see everything exactly as it is in the decision, making should be much easier. So entrepreneurship and them seeing me go through struggles and trials and tribulations and I've made sure they see they're not perfect. I've made sure that they see there's no such thing as as. You know perfectionism is a paralysis perfectionism and don't even says, is the lowest standard not Eisner's lowest dander because it's unachievable with cop. So maybe that's trying to be a perfectionist are looking to be striving for that goal or identifies perfectionist is really just copping out for being partisan. And so I just want them to see like man you just constantly feel forward. Humility and EGO and and treat people not the way you want to be treated treat people the way they want to treat those things I'm impressing on them for sure and you know they see they seem stressfulness emulate. The South and so I I have such a special relation by children. There's such great little human beings. I'm not raising children. I'm raising independent critical thinking well adjusted adults. That's been my aunts my focus at the beginning. So not raising a child, you know that's dependent on me or or that need love and support all the time raising independent critical thinking well adjusted adult sl mantras that. Keep that in mind that I'm not GonNa, I'm not going to twist them into being something that they don't need to be. Right which is unfortunately. The horrific truth would most most of society you know is is following society standards. I've always been kind of A. I don't want to say a rebel but I just I have a problem with authority. I. If, you're gonNA tell me to do this thing I'm going to go the opposite direction and instead. I like went right from the my school bring course I definitely. Talk. percent, but you still need a piece of that right? You need I feel like you need a piece of being broken down and restructured and I think I did it to myself unintentionally over many many many years and you know it was the lessons of our truths and hard life and and it's like you ever see the movie Batman, was it the one with Christian Bale the first one where he? He's a billionaire obviously, but he decides to start stealing from himself. Living, that life I feel like that's what I did because I didn't grow up rich but you know my family hustled and they were poor when they moved to the states and they worked their asses off and they got into business and they're able to provide a good life. But then I decide to like completely go backwards and throw myself in the midst of chaos and I feel like I needed that I feel like I. Needed to go through that and experience that and it helped me show see a lot of things from a different perspective of the different life, which also in turn told me the value, all the things that I did have right right and and so I'm trying to portray that to my children from the get go by instilling certain aspects of like. All right. So we do a gratitude every single night before bed they ever gratitude journal. I write it down. There they'll try from time to time but every single night that's the thing we do a prayer. You know where we are God fearing family here. So whatever your religion is, that's fine. The spirit, the universe whatever. But that's what we do and and by instilling gratitude with them in in them like I've been doing this for the last two years since they were four years old. It has been great. You know it they. They have a perspective on life like the smallest little things that sparks interest and then we get into how that evolves into their day to day and how that helps assimilate. Actions and how to treat people and things like that and realize that Hey, what you have today I'm ruled on my like last time. Baba's basically daddy in. Arabic. Why do you have to work so much why do you have to make money is what the question what? Is because everything costs, money everything besides your feelings, costs money, and then I had to explain it to her like what it is, and then I explained to her I said, you don't remember this. But when you were first born Baba was working literally like ten twelve hours a day in an office or not at home and now home. So you have. To. Come Out, knock on his door. You could see that he's here. You have that privilege just said, you know that most daddy's don't have that opportunity. said. So that's one thing to be grateful for and the sense that have your dad right across the hall where you can knock on the door and take a break with you and go grab lunch. You know like that was huge for me and it's like I almost saw her gears in her brain starting to. And make sense of it at six years old and I think she got it and that's that was that's fucking fulfilling to me to be able to provide that and be in that circumstance, which makes an intern me wanting to work even more in the sense not more hours, but but harder or discipline be creative and figure out new solutions so that I can be a part of these kids lives and help them grow and create these little human beings essentially. Is Like I can sell it like. How much she love being a father and as one thing but actually look for other men that are in my lives is is, do they take fatherhood seriously? I think one of the biggest problems honest with this country as the lack of the focus on good father right Really feel like there's morbid fathers. The world will be much better place Johnson a take anything away from others but the emphasis of a man actually like being a leader for the children as lost man that's not old school at status as standing in your masculinity. We leader for this for this thing I this is me I, raise my aunt and be the leader right now, and so I appreciate the about very much kids I mean truly yeah. They'll do some things that you tell them to do. But more not you know the real important life lessons come as a result of you're doing them as an example and you're taking your, you're taking your health and wellness seriously like if you kid to to be a good reader, don't just read books read read in front of them every night like let them see you read and eventually they'll want to read to you know just as one example so. Leadership of not just not just saying what to do but doing what's important at in front of them with them. Is, a game changer for sure for other. Loved ice. I agree one hundred. Thank you very much. I, mean you too I mean that's the thing like you attract. You're going to attract right. You draw the people that you're going to essentially. It's part of who you are like I was having a conversation with a friend of mine I said. I said to him. You know is saying all these guys. Then part of me, who you who I used to be no longer exists, and so they just see me differently and they don't want anything to do with me. I said, you know. Shame on them number one number two that's probably better for you. That's probably better for you because you are attracting. The types of people that you are evolving into and the person that you want to become. And there is nothing wrong with that and that can be applied to so many different things and when it comes to like going back to children I think like you said like if you want them to read in front of them, they they they don't do what you say what you do. Constantly. And it's crazy how much they're paying attention. Like it is it is frightening how much they're paying attention yeah, and No that's one of the chose to spend a lotta time last two years working with high school kids middle school kids. All over just been one of the signs on like all right. You know working make an actual big difference what leverage Katie pull to to to impact the community and I think it's I think it's for those kids that are those crosswords of life in you can in Prince, some some hard work in positivity in optimism about billions to because everybody undervalues whether axel capable of you know everybody's wait more capable of things at their ever give themselves credit for. So if I can help them kind of uncovered some contention especially that phaser life adding us the best service anybody to community. So. Working on how do you find this is such a cliche question I already know for the almonds. Do everything that you're doing all the while volunteering been incredible father. Running multiple businesses being this creative entrepreneur this creative director guy that is doing a million things at once and being incredible husband and how do you how do you manage your time? Will first of all. But But but honestly, everybody has time for anything. That's a priority that that's just how it is. A successful person I've ever talked to I, mean time is on the only level playing field we all APP literally. Time and you've heard this a million times in. So if you if you understand that that can never be excused the words, I don't have enough time can never come out of your mouth. You can never say never have enough time in the day I. Wish I had twenty eight hours I wish that is all ship if people say if you never allow yourself to have that as an. Excuse. Then you always have enough time for the things that are already period and those priorities change and they should change. You know this. This idea that you have to be imbalanced bullshit may there's no such thing for a hybrid person as balanced you have to be out of balance all of the fucking time that's you're focused. That's the leg of you if you're trying to create balanced every area. Of Your Life, you're one hundred percent not being as high up through shoot productive person you can't right. So when you're really hyper like, for instance, as I decided a couple years ago to run some our mantra athletes will I was out of balance at other parts of my life. 'CAUSE I set a hunting goal right to become an Ironman triathlete. So I had to be out about. Four hours of my morning had to change you know what I mean. So four hours of the day I was training on something new in my life. So of course, it's not about that season right and yes, we totally at peace with that. So when you're when you're at home or your vacation with your kids, you must be out of balancing we present for them and not answering your fucking. and. So the idea I gotTa have balance bounced just a just a cop is just people trying to feel warm and fuzzy Centigrade with you now. So you just got to commit yourself commitments in order commit. There's going to be some sacrifices though sacrifices may permanent. short-term either way this is for the better of me. I sell from people around me. So I'm going to be out of balance for that purpose and and that's how I've. Always I've never had a in let's continue that. So you're basically talking about is being completely committed no bullshit making that decision. What do most people do their half assing everything that they do in their lives? And the number one thing is that they're not fully committed into doing anything. Let alone a diet let alone figuring out how much time they have in the day level how do you find how how in your perspective? How do you become more committed I know that such an open ended question? Of Bullshit. But what what is it? Yeah. Well, what I'm doing consulting work out here all the time. Hey, we we tried everything like we tried everything like, no, you tried everything. But what works because unless it defies allows a physics right? Moore's illegal or immoral it's possible. Yeah. Okay. So like if you have this goal than the only thing, you need to change the goal. You see change the approach, and so this approach isn't working like oh you try five approaches. Oh. People like, Oh, I tried everything there's a thousand more approaches right so just you just kind of keep finding new approach in an eventual you'll get to the goal it might take longer than you hope in five year plan had the it doesn't matter if the goal is important. And I will say I will say there's no problem. Like people say never give up I'm like actually it's a skill giving up like knowing when you set the wrong goal. That's okay too. You know like that's when you set at the wrong goal and you've got enough work to say Oh that goal I was even at all or I was I was in person when a goal or or difficult. Let it go like like. WanNa Peiser right there because that is really profound I want everyone listening to realize what he's saying right now. Can you please repeat that one more time? Yeah. I don't think that the whole idea like having an ego attached to never giving up his wrong. Like there are times in your life when you should one hundred percent let go ver relationship you should one hundred percent let go business you should one hundred percent let go of goal that you said. That you set because when you you're different person possibly. You said that you've written you on during like Oh my gosh I I am too low I t I in two left to give it up give it up you know and sets set the new goal based on the new information and be just a sneaker store that and that's totally fine relationships business everything else. So you know having idea that can never give up is also unhealthy. Because that's attached to ego and so Y- less eager you have your life because. Also, I, feel like you personally have found I think the most I think that the thing that separates us from any other species on the planet is our ability to adapt. And I think that you have mastered adaptation. Like just the way that you're correlating and you're relating all this information and how you're with the whole goal setting understanding her leave this when they're leaving the relationship how to how? Time and move on the next thing, and then readjust, recalibrate, and shift and pivot. That's huge. Were dumbing it down and we may not be. You guys probably don't understand how because I didn't few years ago but this is this is so profound to me because this was very big in my life and a big proponent of my life was understanding to pivot when to shift and understanding that. When it's time to adjust and adapt it's time to adjust and adapt and you have. It's almost like an instinctual feeling right? Feeling like you know that relationship is over. Right Dot. You've been checked out for months gay cut it off cut your losses, move on, do the next thing and and I think that we don't. Don't. It's not prolific enough in the world today on social media because most of everything that you see on social media is what don't give up keep pushing time Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah which. Is You aren't. The people pick a Bali's beliefs in like oh my gosh I can't give up and then there's grind choose something that's ultimately deteriorating their health and wellness jury killing them. You know, and that's just it's I get a take take that on because that's something. That's the least riding with him like man that all Algiers's get rid of that Albatross. End shed that image with with going to come across it in the midst of your life isn't wishy washy. This isn't something relieve a wake of bodies in your path feel business relationships in. Spiritual. Relationships and emotional relationships in friends and family. This is not that this is your journey of people around you are understanding when you give up when you don't guess you've been open with them the whole time about the evolution of the process, right you're thinking or whatever. So there should be no surprises to anybody with decisions made to to cut something off or stop something. Up that makes a lot sense for on board with you. That makes a lot of sense. You know there's no creditors are left hanging diseases is not anything like that. This is a very calculated, very, very Honest process I guess and you're not you're not keeping these old believes these old habits in these old identities along with your shedding that every day if you. Buchan Lubbock you need your own podcast now that it's been, it's on the works for wild I. I can't just commit to it yet and I'm excited when I. I can help you do it all from your phone. You're the best all free. We'll talk after this. You're in it. Yeah. Oh my you're just you're just so great is too much too much goodness too much out there to be like. I I I'm thirty five years. Old I. I've been in this game for a long time and I just got schooled. On so much goodness. And so many things that have triggered little thoughts in my mind right now, my brain is churning I want to I have like ten ideas like I. WanNa i WanNa get into right now and I'm pumped in a motivated and I'm excited and I just appreciate you taking the time to jump on the call. So I I want to end with this. What are tuned Robbins is a big day for you. I. Don't know if you read or not. It could be a book. It can be article it could be a quote what are what is one book or one code or one thing that has truly affected your life. In a positive way outside of Tony Robbins events, yeah let's. It's a big question. Let me give it. I mean every single day I don't. I. Don't end the day and as I've read listened and watched something inspirational educational or or funny You you know. So every at all three modalities every single day so that's something I started about ten years ago So I'm packed with just stuff that's just it's Just part of me that's become who I am all these mentors I don't have a mentor. I've got thousands. You know I listen to podcasts every single day read books you know constantly and go to events constantly constantly asking people for their opinion in helping and So I I would hate to label what I'll tell you originally, it might have been. Might have been ten for our week actually was walking to your regional outside of Toy Robbins saying that actually was like Ok one of the the thing that stands out through those from that book was the skilled with being comfortable with being uncomfortable. Okay. So the more I was okay with being uncomfortable and that's why I have events. That's why start businesses that's why found myself to separate restaurant. You know I've never done before is because the more times the all that happens right at your conference you hear that a million times. So that's true. Let's test that theory MBA outside of. Your Comfort Zone as much as humanly. Possible. Okay. So that that concept I would have to give credit to the four were week for that simple concept. He actually gave a couple of relief ceiling. Goofy. Thanks to do try to actually start the process minded them like one of them was to go into a starbucks lay down on the floor you'd think. Period of time, and there's get up and walk out and I was like, did you actually do that I want Senate this is like I was gonna try something goof off didn't lay down lay there. Scott. Is something. So random is so weird. So but it was like, okay, I didn't die. Rested I didn't offend anybody to. Wade and causes seem but it was feared really didn't cause a see not just kind of like you know people. That is like the. Others. So if that's true like if you can do that and not diet not like get to marriage. Than what else capable of? So just kind of art this thing I did that the very first day reading the book. And the are at school. So awesome. Oh. Boy, you know there are. I always get this question. Asses that. You know why? Why would someone listen to me when there's so many other people that are twice as amazing thing is that Everybody how how you communicate with me and my perception of your. Your your understanding of of your version of life and the things that you've been able to dissect is completely different than let's say how my daughter would take it or how my friend would take. And you have no idea how many people truly resonate with you. Over over those that let's say are the masters or the Gurus and the world, right? So I that's why I think it's so incredible and so powerful to be able to share information that you've applied to your life that you've learned along the way and that you have taken in like I, Love Bruce Lee's way of life taken. What is useful disregard? What is useless to you? Yeah. I believe in that mantra so so much and I feel you're like accumulation of of everything like you've got all this good stuff that you've been able to take in and you start disregarding the stuff that wasn't working for you and you are the product of that. System I think that is phenomenal because from where I'm standing you like an incredible human being. You too I. Appreciate You, I I for the first time I stepped on stage. I looked out as like okay. This is this is our full other minute impact everybody. and. I saw this quote Bruce. Springstreen. Actually in a in the US how did you not lose your Like how did you stay so grounded in? Night, the boss like you stay grounded in you are he's like I always kept one foot in the crowd and once on the stage. And I thought. Wow. What a simple little things. Students always the student and the teacher the exact same time. You know if you can master that balance of being student teacher at the same time than the the amount of information that you can assimilate in integrate and share at the same time is grows exponentially. So that that that idea that whenever I'm trying to talk with senator coach with something I walk away every time just being inspired by what the other person said in. That's that's just that. Lack that's the humility part I wrote that down I'm bill. That's incredible. That's incredible. Appreciate you very much in what you do. You had a great list of guess on a super honor to be called in under podcast. So I appreciate it man, yeah. We I've been slacking I've got about twenty two still go through. The dead. But, we'll get there. We'll get there has been incredible I. so appreciate the time. Joe. Of. Few Dot. com.

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Hey, How You Feeling? Primary and Secondary Emotions Explained!

The Virtual Couch

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Hey, How You Feeling? Primary and Secondary Emotions Explained!

"Coming up on today's episode of the virtual couch primary and secondary emotions. Let's say that your friends scares you and I'm talking a big scare you mealy react with fear because because you're human but what comes next. What's that secondary emotion is? Anger is an embarrassment. We're going to talk about how to tap into those primary emotions and doing so is gonNa keep you far more present which leads to a much more fulfilling life that and more coming up on today's episode of the virtual couch. Hey everybody I'll make this quick quick now. Is a therapist myself. Of course. I recommend that everybody get therapy. Attract truly we're all hanging onto some things that would be helpful the processor. There's things that we might. Maybe we thought we'd achieve by now or there's things things that we desperately want to achieve so we won't live a life full of regrets or there are people listening right now. 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That we get is pretty incredible for people that it's is helping and all that good stuff but the bottom line is a lot of people. Don't want to have a book laying around on their coffee table. Books lie even the bathroom wherever they put it. This says he's a porn addict now. Now what I've known that and so. Can you tell you how many people have wanted the kindle version of the book and so there are some snags and little bits of things that held that up a little bit. But it's out so if you if you're interested I mean I really do. I know that it's my book and it's still hard for me to promote it but go check it out because there's so much good information in there again. I answered a lot of questions about pornography addiction. Compulsive sexual behavior of betrayal trauma from the side of the therapists. The expert from working with eleven in twelve thirteen hundred men that I've worked with over the years and former addict Joshua J. who has also written another book about his Pornography Addiction. He answers the questions from the addict side. And it's very very real and raw and we didn't. We had these questions we answered and we had no idea what the other person was saying. And it's really been fascinating even just for me to read need. What Josh Is? The answers were so. It's available on kindle version so go to Amazon or look for the link in the show notes and look for that by that today that would be wonderful title and please visit virtual couch on instagram. And the Tonio licensed marriage and family therapist page on facebook. or there's a virtual couch page on facebook that I am not giving enough love and I would also love if if you went to Tony overpay DOT COM and sign up for the email newsletter. Kind of starting to beat that up. 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Who's now today's topic is one that I've been meaning to talk about honestly for probably over a year? It's a fairly fundamental concept concept therapy and it's one that I believe can really help you. Just start to recognize your emotions and recognized how your body responds in situations and then how your body responds to the response. And that's GonNa make sense. I promise and that is the part that is fascinating today. We're talking about primary and secondary emotions oceans and You know when I when I used to teach a lot more. I used to just kind of ask certain questions out to whoever. I'm teaching whatever the audience is of just when I say say when I say primary when I say primary motions what thought comes to mind and it's fun just to see that sometimes we're on the same page and it can be completely different things primary. Every time I say that word I seen some song about primary colors and to be honest with you. I don't even know how the rest of the song goes. I'm not quite sure what the primary colors are red yellow and blue or something like that but but today we're talking about primary and secondary emotions so let me let me just kind of give you an example and we've got so much to talk about today so somebody comes up behind you do and scares you and I'm talking bad I'm talking to you. Drop your phone on the ground. Maybe utter phrase that would get this podcast episode Perhaps and explicit rating. But but. But they get your good. I mean they really scare you. So what is that first emotion. It's fear right fear just overtakes us in it. It makes percents that you'd be scared because you're human and we're wired to be jumping when we're scared as a matter of fact being scared if you're scared to that level you've you bypass this sir. You know this visceral response. You've you've made it past that those emotions that are kind of guarding the rest of your brain and so then immediately here comes the the Adrenalin. The fighter flight chemicals so again. When you're scared you're going to feel that fear that fight or flight response but then what happens next? Are you fully present in the moment. Do you. Then see your friend or friends laughing and can you tap right into that moment and laugh as well or the more common response all suddenly get angry. You know what does it knock it off you guys. I wasn't even a very funny almost dropped my phone. I could of cracked the screen. You made me somewhere around an old lady or whatever the response is but the fear response is considered entered your primary motion. That's the immediate response. And then the anger sets in or the embarrassment that comes along with the year off into embarrassment. Those are are your secondary emotions. So why is this important topic because there's so much power and being able to feel having emotions as part of what makes us human and when when we can truly understand what our emotions are or where they come from then we can learn to sit with them a little bit longer. Because here's the key and this is this is very important running away from emotions or or wanting a trying to find a better time to deal with their emotions is what keeps us in the state of not being able to deal with them in the first place and that's what leads us away from being present in that present moment So so I hope that kind of makes sense. So you're gonNA have emotions because you human but oftentimes we we. Then we stuff those emotions we run away from those emotions. We cover those emotions with a secondary emotion like anger so we never really deal with what that primary emotion is and be able tap into that primary emotion being able to sit with that primary emotion. It does a couple of things number one. It leads to a much more fulfilling rewarding life. If you get scared and you can sit there and be present with that that emotion of fear you know. Those are the people that really do like to go to. I don't know haunted houses or scary movies or that sort of thing because they don't that secondary emotion of embarrassment embarrassment or the secondary emotion of anger even if it starts to creep in there aware they're able to to to kind of move that one aside and just be fully present in that moment be scared in the movie be scared at the haunted house or then immediately laugh with a friend who tried to scare them and and again a boy as I say this to there are certain people that are there there may be wired cared a little different and they don't they don't like to be scared they don't WanNa be scared so I'm not saying that if you can't be scared and if you don't like scary movies and something's wrong with you quite the contrary matter of fact tip of the hat to if you you ever listened to the episode that I did on highly sensitive person. HSP also known as sensory processing sensitivity. So there's someone who has these heightened what we call mirror neurons and those are people that they don't want to be scared at all so it's not about tapping into a secondary motion. Those are people. Just don't want to be scared. And those people you're okay to but in this example Just trying to talk about recognizing what that primary emotions and then with that secondary motion is that comes over to cover it up. Let me give you another example. Somebody close to you passes away. You might feel an emotion of sadness in that is a wonderful primary emotion just allowing yourself to feel sad if you need to cry you cry if you WanNa pitchers of the person or videos and be in that moment of sadness it can be incredibly therapeutic. That is this concept of processing. Thank the emotion staying with the emotion but what often happens is that we feel the emotion of sadness which you know is this is the primary emotion and then we immediately really feel embarrassed. Maybe grow up. We were told that you know men don't cry or the crime doesn't get you anywhere so we not only feel the sadness which again primary primary emotion it's human. It's a wonderful emotion but now it's covered up with embarrassment and then embarrassment can quickly lead to anger because angers one of those emotions that we use to try. Take control of the situation so rather than allowing yourself to be open and vulnerable and sad in that moment then. We often find ourselves being angry. Because that's an emotion that we we feel like we can take control of oftentimes. It just feels really scary to kind of not have control of of a situation not have control of a moment or not have control than emotional Oceana response man. There's so many of these if your teenager comes down wearing something that you feel like is I don't know Inappropriate you to you inappropriate. You may have an immediate reaction of embarrassment and you somehow feel that what they're wearing is a reflection of you and instead of something that they are feeling perhaps. They're feeling judged judge their peer group. Perhaps they're feeling like they're not enough so they're going to try and push your buttons and get a reaction so that they can feel justified in pulling further away from you or being angry towards you and more toward a group. The friends that they are sure you won't approve of so you see them and you feel embarrassment. Maybe there's a primary emotion and then quickly respond with anger. Here comes the secondary motion. Go back upstairs right now. You're you're close Being able to tap into your emotional state can be incredibly helpful for staying in the present moment in that regard. If you're one of your core values is to be kind or be compassionate or or a loving parent than those those secondary emotions often come in and sabotage. You might have this this goal this value of being there being present for your teenager for example and so then they come down again wearing something that you feel like wait a minute. I've taught them better or I feel I feel like that's not something they should be doing. And so then you have this immediate primary motion of again sadness or Whatever whatever that is and then immediately the anger kicks in this secondary emotion takes control You know it takes control the situation and then all of a sudden you're going against your value and then you feel like you blew do it and then you can see how this can start to just go into this negative spiral so the quicker that we can be aware of what these primary emotions are and then kind of give a little heads up and be be aware of or try to stay away from at times the secondary emotions again more the more. You can stay in that present moment so before I get into this article that I wanNa talk about more about today. 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The book liberated mind which is just an incredible acceptance and commitment therapy book by one of the founder of acceptance and commitment therapy Steven Hayes and so where I left off was talking a little bit more about the concept of being present but before I even get into that I wanna talk more about something that I think is very important to be aware of before we dig into these primary and secondary motions even further and that is this concept of values so I gave the example before the break of if let's to say your teenage daughter comes down in wearing something that you feel is inappropriate You feel that way that for some reason that speaks that she is now doing doing something to harm you or is going against something that you've taught them or you know that that makes you a lesser parent. Whatever that might be so in a liberated mind six core principles of acceptance and commitment therapy and Dr Hayes in one of them lays out this concept of values and he talks about values really really tapping into your values requires you pivoting from socially compliant goals to chosen values? And so let me let me kind of explain what that looks like. He said that people often attempt to achieve achieve goals. Because they feel that they have to otherwise people that we care about or whose views we care about would be displeased or they will be disappointed in themselves so oftentimes if if we're tapping into this value of being a loving parent and we decided that we are going to choose on the side of love instead of on someone someone else's rules or even rules that we might Really feel like our good rules but again we're going to tap into this value of just being a loving parent if that is gonNA guide our actions so if we then set up these goals are we know that our kids need to whatever it is. They need to go to the certain school. We need to get these certain grades. They need to do certain things In there you know what if their religious community whatever it is and we set that as the goal then oftentimes we feel like we're not really being genuine or not being true or or something just feels awful relationships and Dr Hayes. I think think he nails it with this point. He says again. People often attempt to achieve goals. Because they feel that they have to otherwise people we care about or whose views we care about would be displeased or they. We'll be disappointed in themselves. Here's the key. Research shows that such and he calls him socially compliant goals. Give rise the motivation that is weak and ineffective. We may try to drive our own behavior with such external goals but we also secretly resent them because they undermine our own process of unfolding. And I love that concept of we we can set these socially compliant goals things that we feel that someone else has told us would be a good idea or something that you know. We feel like if we don't do that others will be disappointed. Pointed into US and in us but secretly we resent these goals because they undermine our own process of unfolding he says the yearning for self direction and purpose cannot be fully met by goal achievement. Since it's always either in the future meaning I haven't yet met my goal or in the past meaning. Well I met that goal almost like well now what so he he talks about values and he says values are chosen qualities of being and doing such as being a caring parent being a dependable friend being socially aware or being loyal or are being honest or being courageous so living in accordance with our values is never finished. It's a lifelong journey and it provides a way to create enduring sources of motivation based on meaning. Because he says ultimately what your values are is up to you and they're matter between you and the person in the mirror and so your value if your value truly he is being a loving parent being a supportive person You know if you value reciprocity in a relationship whatever those values are those are between you and the person than the mirror and so when other people tell you know. Here's what you should be doing. Or here's how you should be feeling and remembering that no one likes to be on. Then that's why we and I that's why I loved loved the way he expressed that. If you're not living according to one of your individual values then it is going to feel like a socially compliant goal like. I'm doing this because because someone else told me I needed to. And someone else told me I should care about these things in the research shows that that trying to follow the socially compliant goals his rise. The motivation this week ineffective in all of these start to point back to the. What's wrong with me story that we start talking about we start telling ourselves in our brain and once we're off on that path incomes are old old friends like anxiety depression Even things like OCD. Come into near to to have to create. You know to try to have some control over situations so when we're not living being by our own internal values and our own internal values or between you and the person in the mirror and the reason that is so key is because the things that are important to you come as part of at this big package of we call private experiences. It's your nature and you're nurture and your birth order in your DNA and your bandmate and your rejection your experiences growing up and people moving and people dying and dealing with their own stuff and how that affects you so all of those things make you uniquely the person that you are which then leads to you having the feelings and emotions Shinzo you have and guess what some of you didn't think and feel the way you did. Then that's when I kinda sometime. Say you're a robot or a psychopath and not seeing anybody robot or psychopath breath but I'm saying that you have feelings emotions because you're human and that's what I absolutely love about acceptance and commitment therapy and and so the other thing that that Doctor Hayes talks about. Let me go into two more four and then I'm going to get back to these primary and secondary motions. I promise This I want I want to kind of frame it with this acceptance so Dr Hey says acceptance requires pivoting from what he calls experiential avoidance to acceptance in this redirects this yearning to just kind of feel. And what does that mean experiential avoidance. Is this the process by which we run from or attempt to control our personal experiences. meany our thoughts or our feelings or sensations and we try to control the external events they give rise to these feelings away from going to a party. You're trying to cope with the death of a loved one and we do this because our mind tells us that it's an easy way to avoid pain and it will be able to feel freely only when we feel good. So this is we're going to tap into this with these primary and secondary emotions because being able to tap into those primary emotions you know. That is the opposite of this experiential avoidance. That is us not feeling like we have to escape to a time. That will be better to deal with our emotions because we. We rarely kind of find that time. We end up creating a lot of these experiential avoidance patterns. You know. A lot of these distractions those sort of things so Dr. Hey says avoidance typically only compounds are difficulties and restricts our capacity to feel at all he said acceptance is the full embrace of personal experience and an empowered food. And here's the big key not in victimize state little heads up to a podcast. I'm going to be talking about or I'm going to be released. And I believe next week where I went and interviewed a doctor. Shelly Kelly Hoover who is just an amazing woman. She just wrote a book called Timeless Sisters which is an amazing book. It truly is a I read the whole thing made it sound like I read a book you know me but up but it really was an incredible book and Dr Hoover was principal at my kids middle school. She injected just this incredible enthusiasm into the middle school. And then she over over the course of the next year or so was diagnosed with a ls and was given anywhere from the year eighteen months to live. And she's on year six now Since that diagnosis and just came out with this book and she and I had an amazing conversation that recorded yesterday. I can't wait to share it with you and I believe even after the Mike said stops Recording we talked a lot about her. Just saying that you know she refuses to live in this victim role in a victim. I state even though now. She is confined to a wheelchair here. But so and so they we talked about this acceptance piece you know acceptance the full embrace of a personal experience an empowered not victimize state it's choosing choosing to feel with openness and curiosity so that you can live the kind of life that you wanna live while inviting your feelings to come along for a ride as a result of the acceptance pivot. Dr Hey says the focus moves feeling good to feeling good in just being able to have all those feels Dr. Hoover talked about how you know. She still has days where she can be very sad. And just get really upset and it's okay to have those emotions and she'll even lean into those a little bit have a good a good cry but then she moves forward. She said she refuses to be in this victim mentality so I can't wait to share that with you. But that's the concept of acceptance one more thing and then we'll get back to these as primary and secondary emotions. Dr Hayes talks about presence being present. What does that mean we hear those things all the time so again? kind of a buzzword just being present being in the moment being in the now presents requires he says pivoting from rigid attention driven by pass in the future too flexible attention in the now. Thank redirects this whole yearning for orientation what does that mean processes of rigid attention. Show up as either ruminating about the past or worrying about the future or commend Leslie disappearing into our current experience. He says the way teenagers disappear into video games so as we struggle with life challenges we often fear becoming lost so in this makes so much sense to me. We tend to look to the past and the future become oriented again. It's a normal thing to do when we look at the past we. We often say okay but I did these things things in the past. We almost say what about that and Or we say but if I you know I do something wrong or if I this might lead to this future outcome so we we stay constantly in this. A what if I would if I am doing something that will affect me in the future or will look at these things I did in the past and both of those things that they keep us what he says a mental fog of what was or what will be and again. I want to say I was noted but but noted I mean the future for it. Yeah absolutely could turn out that way and the past. You Bet could've These things I did. I did those in the past and they had certain Experiences races that became of those events. I in the past noted absolutely that that happened all right. Now what are we gonNa do though keeping us either stuck ruminating about the past or stuck worrying talking about the future where the doctor says is When there is it really only what is meaning there really is only what is right now in the present resin so he said flexible attention? The now or being present means choosing to pay attention to experiences here and now. And here's the key that are helpful or meaningful and if if they're not then choosing to move on to other useful events in the now rather than being caught mindless attraction or revulsion in a big key to this a huge key to this again is his. We're not just saying just change your thought in the moment because that is one of the things that acceptance and commitment therapy that I absolutely love about it and there are a lot of people out there uh have so much good Good intentions goodwill that are saying you know you just gotTa Change. That thought you just got to change that thought and be happy and again I am the the alternate optimist. I really am but what that sets us up for. That can be a little bit a little bit. Tricky at times is we may wake up in the morning. We say right. You know what I am. Today's IT I'm choosing to be happy. I'm GonNa be happy all day. That is a wonderful goal and I. I often don't do that every day as well. But then we have experiences. Life happens happens and we have emotions and feelings that go along with life and what will happen is we can wake up in the morning. We're like I've got this. I'm feeling like a million bucks and then something happens open safe and and honestly could even Dog pooping on carpet. It can be getting a bill that I didn't know about it can be Finding out about a illness terminal illness of a loved one it could be finding out about Failing class or any of those things and when those things happen you can see where maybe headed here is that then we feel now all of a sudden we feel sad. Are we feel angry or we feel mad and then we say man I. I was going to be happy all day. You know what's wrong with me because now I'm I'm not able to just kind of think. Happy thoughts thoughts on. Here's the key. Nothing's wrong with you because you are a human being who has had all of these experiences in life that lead you to that moment. So you're going to have the emotion and and that's where that's where we're kinda backed it today. You'RE GONNA have a primary emotion that premier motion is going to be your reaction perfectly normal perfectly. Human went typically comes after that is the secondary emotion and that secondary motion can just sabotage us for the day. So we can choose to be happy and we can be on it. We can be on it up till three four o'clock in the afternoon. It's been the most incredible all day and then a kid comes home and says that I don't know he's got chicken pox or Daughter comes home. She's got lice or you know Anything failed tailed a test or wrecked the car and then all of a sudden we feel what we feel we feel may feel angry. Feel sad it would feel disappointed primary motions. That's right so we feel those it's okay so can feeling we're human then. Secondary emotion comes in secondary motion can be anger. Secondary motion can be Frustration secondary motion in Can. Then take hold of that primary motion and then run with it so now the sudden. We're just so angry about everything because we feel like we don't have control or this sort of thing. So that's that's where I want us to learn how to tap into that primary motion. You know person comes home and says I wrecked the car actually had that one you know and And be able to immediately. Okay okay. I noticed that I'm feeling angry. that's okay. I'm human and being able to recognize that often enough to say okay. I see you anger and I'm going to discount Secchia side right here because I need to be present for my kid. I need ask them are they okay you know. was everyone safe. How are you feeling you know? Are you traumatized I do. You WanNa talk about it. Because if that first primary emotion hits and it's anger and then all of a sudden you know the secondary motion hits of I dunno embarrassment because I'm a horrible parent because the way I reacted then all of a sudden I'm going to withdraw or maybe anger's going to amplify and so then we're GonNa stay away from that present moment of talking about. Are you okay to my kid did you know. Is Everyone. Okay what happened. Tell me more. Here comes some empathy skills. So let's get back to the primary and secondary motions. Haven't even gotten to the article yet. I promise you this this is good. We'll try to get through this quickly. There's a wonderful article on better health DOT COM and You know if you've heard the podcast that Better help dot com slash virtual couches. They're one of my advertisers. And if you go better help dot com slash virtual couch. I think he you know I know you get ten percent off a months of their counseling services. And they're amazing. But there's an article by a writer named Nadia Khan and the reviewer was Patricia Colo who is a licensed marriage and family therapists Much like myself and this is an article on primary and secondary emotion. So I'm GonNa uh I'm GonNa read a fair amount from this then comments as well so The author again Nadia was refer to ECON is not yet Not being able to feel emotions. Motions is part of what makes us human and many people struggle to understand their emotions and the things that causes to feel so deeply emotionally. We often experience a huge range of different things in response to any situation. If you're depressed it's a common misconception that all you feel is sad when in fact it's likely that you feel many things like lonely invisible unimportant hopeless and more and she says the reason. Many of a struggle to identify emotions properly is that they are gone as fast as they appear. And I just love this phrase Those emotions reason why many of us struggle fire motions properly is that they're gone as fast as they appear. Were constantly experiencing new things which means our emotions are rarely static which complicates being able to identify. What is going on with their emotions? As I tried to kind of set the table with leading up to this point being able to identify the emotion is part of what will allow us to notice make room for the emotion. Lean into the emotion if we want but also be able to keep us present in the moment which then allows us to kind of tap more into these values that we want to live by which allow us to feel like. We're more connected. You see how this is all kind of coming together so She talks about emotions in general says what our emotions nations and Kind of fine if you want. The Gee whiz file here emotions come from the Latin term mo which. I'm sure I did not see that. Very fancy in Latin but it means he's moving so emotions come from this term. That means moving so the term is a combination of energy and motion. It's an expression of how life is constantly and flowing motion. She she said that emotions are something we constantly feel and can happen when actions are feeling. Stir a certain response with us. She was on say we may feel emotions from a situation or an experience from memories breeze right we can have. We can have emotions that have tapped into memories and they assist us. An understanding of the things we're experiencing and to express the way that those things make us feel whether they're good Whether they're bad and she said that sometimes in the case of trauma emotions can get stuck or blocked off so that when we experienced again. We can't even really process them. React react to improperly positive emotions are meant to reinforce experience as enjoyable so that we seek it out again and they activate the reward system within the brain which makes us feel safe negative emotions on the other hand. They'll warn us of potentially dangerous situations and they'll raise the survival instincts within these fighter. Flight Drugs these fight or flight or freeze chemicals so that we become much more aware in a way our emotions of evolved to help us survive in a more cerebral society than that of our distant ancestors but the reactions are still a a lot the same. So there's some really interesting data that she collected and I'll I'll skip through this part for pretty quickly but according to humane which is an organization. Jason I believe there are forty eight recognized emotions proposed in an emotional annotation and representation language internationally though they They have identified one hundred twenty eight recognize the motions including many that have no name in English and I love that. Love that concept. Most psychologists agree with this with the option to classify them further but the primary secondary and they also say tertiary approach which was originally described in nineteen eighty seven in the Journal of Personality and social psychology as a tree shape starting with the self and with primary and secondary and tertiary Komo she emotions extinct branches from the trunk of this personality This was the next step from personnel PLU chicks wheel of emotions and I remember remember learning about this in Grad school the wheel. It's much easier designed for clients to understand because also uses colors the classified both positive and negative emotions as well as making it easier to identify opposing emotions This emotion wheel was also beneficial because it was easier to identify the different intensities from a single emotion and the relationship between one emotion and another and I remember even dealing with When I worked for the Child Abuse Prevention Council when I was doing my practicum in Grad school that we often have the hey point to this emotion emotional chart or an emotional wheel consultant of times? Kids aren't really sure what their motions are that they can identify these faces or Anger Color. That sort of thing is pretty amazing. And two thousand twelve and two thousand twelve or research piece based on pedals determined that perhaps psychologists were to broaden their definition of emotions so analysis of forty two facial muscles muscles. Look at the science buying this trying to figure out emotions analysis of forty two facial muscles used to create emotional responses was only able to create four basic emotions and every other one was either too similar or it was like a sub emotion or one of those four for example the facial reaction to surprise and that of fear were similar. Have you ever think about that so though this could also be because the wide eyed look is a survival instinct to increase visual attention essential in most situations that elicit fear or surprise so imagine in. This is part of the article again. Ninety says imagine something happened anything and suddenly. You're feeling emotion strong. It's the first reaction what has happened. That is the primary emotion primary motions or the body's first response and they're usually very easy to identify because they are so strong. And here's those four that she talked about earlier. That researchers searchers identified the most common primary motions are fear happiness sadness anger so these also might be secondary motions given different situations but when we first reacted usually one of the above fear happiness sadness or anger if the phone rang and somebody started yelling at you for no reason you probably feel angry or afraid or if the phone rang and somebody somebody told you that your dog had died. You would feel sad. There does not have to be a huge stimulus to elicit a primary motion. Primary emotions are adaptive because they make us react a certain way without being contaminated or examined very much an instinctual primary primal survival response so she goes on to talk a little bit more about primary emotions. She says it primary Mary motions or more transient than secondary motions. Which is why they are less complicated and easier to understand? What does that mean? It means that those primary motions are these reactions. They're just things that happen. Opened their ways that we do things that we immediately express She said the first thing we feel is directly connected to the event or stimulus but as time passes we struggled to connect the same emotion with the event because our emotions have changed. So here's where secondary emotions come in. She says secondary motions are much more complex flex because they often refer to the feelings you have about the primary emotion the and this is what's fascinating. These secondary motions are learned emotions that we typically get from our parents parents or primary caregivers or I'll add into their and from society as we grow up for example. When you feel angry you may feel ashamed afterward? Or when we feel joy he may feel relief or pride and do not his credit she quotes Yoda from star. Wars coming up here next. She said in Star Wars Master. Yoda explains secondary emotions. Perfectly fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate hate leads to suffering. I mean that's it right there right. Your primary motion can be fear and fear leads as the anger. Anger is kind of this cover up. I wasn't scared and get mad. And then anger leads to hate like a man. I hate the fact that these guys are assuming that I'm angry. Because of this. Fear Response and then hate leads to suffering secondary emotions get also divided into instrumental emotions. This kind of fascinating to these are unconscious habitual ritual instrumental emotions. Maybe even take a guess right now where we're going next. We learn instrumental emotions as children as a form of conditioning when we cry becomes an instrument when we cry apparent comes to us so we learned to use facial expressions and the response is associated with crying when we need that soothing or sense of security eighty many toddlers are very adept at using instrumental emotions to get their way with anger She says that a toddler throws a Tantrum and parents give in to make them quiet as we older. We learned. This behavior is not appropriate or not. We've become spoiled and manipulative by not learning the correct secondary emotional response it leaves the person distant and emotionally detached from those around them. So how do you tell the difference. She goes on to say that aside from secondary emotions being harder to name there are several ways to determine whether you were feeling primary emotion or a secondary one. Firstly ask yourself them. The emotion is directly a reaction or not if it is a direct connection than a primary emotion if the emotion came on strongly but that feeling has begun to fade than. It's also likely a primary motion if the opposite is true. It's more likely to be a secondary emotional reaction nuttiest Audi said the emotion lingers long after the event has happened or even affects new but similar or connected events than it's likely to be secondary emotion if the motion is complex. It's almost always secondary. There is such a thing as tertiary emotions but as allusive is secondary motions are tertiary emotions or even harder to pin down so so for children and even some adults she goes on to say those who struggled to identify their emotions. One of the easiest ways to differentiate between primary and secondary emotions is to use flash cards arts and a flash card can have several feelings on one side example on one side. It can have rage or irradiation and whether they are primary or secondary responses on the back the person must guests S. or making informed decision about whether the feelings and emotions are primary or secondary to identify which primarily motion they belong to so what use our primary and secondary motions. Yes here's what what kind of bring it all home. Primary and secondary motions. Tell a person a lot about their emotional stability and their integrity But she goes on to say to a healthcare professional title and I will be valid. Validate this They can make a diagnosis much. Easier rather than blindly accepting an emotion when somebody's like I'm just mad. I'm mad all the time I'm really angry or I'm very sad Being able to understand where it comes from and the actions that led up to that emotion can act as a path that trace back to prior abuse us or traumatic events that are left emotional scars. So let me just talk about the some of the pornography addiction sexual behavior when I worked with a lot of people that are struggling with that a lot of times that primary emotion really is it sadness And then the the primary emotion sad you know maybe after relapse like man what is wrong with me you know I hear that one often but then what typically follows is that secondary emotion of it it it can be anger you know and it's I'm so sick of You know this person Who keeps telling me that there shaming me or my partner who's saying this or whatever so there's an example of where you know? I want them to tap into that primary. Hi Mary motion in stay with that primary motion that primary motion can be about sadness. Why why are they sad sad because they are living the life that they had always anticipated or sad because they they feel like they have control and other areas of their life but in this one they just feel so sad they keep going back to these problem behaviors so you can see how then if we can sit with that primary emotion Shen then we can start to work on the okay then? Let's let's Kinda tap into how we how we work with that sadness. Not The anger is the. Hey it's not my fault. I'm I'm projecting checking the anger kind of creates sometimes more of a victim mentality so and and again maybe you can plug that into all kinds of situations that you're dealing with so if you can learn to tap into to that primary emotion that's when we can do the good work. The secondary emotions come sometimes is more of a an attempt to gain control or attempt to deflect those sorts of things so in back to this article. I'm not he kind of succinctly says where I was trying to go right. They're finding the real caused by a person's reaction means examining happening the primary emotion while the secondary motion will help to understand how the patient processes information also by slowing down the thought process and consciously working through the internal reasons why somebody feels a certain way. They're likely to understand more about themselves. Through a process. That would have been entirely unconscious until now. It's like once you can tap into what those primary emotions are and stay with those primary emotions. Then you can see that okay. They are possibly going against my internal values There possibly happening happening because I'm trying to achieve a socially compliant goal and not a value-based goal so she says another reason for identifying emotion is important is to be able all to react to them properly for someone who struggles with handling emotions are reacting appropriately. Being unable to express themselves can be frustrating. So this in turn leads to anger and at times even rage so in conclusion knotty says that everybody experiences primary and secondary emotions. If you're finding it hard to differentiate your feelings you're feeling emotionally detached then getting help. Doing so was a central to living a fully connected life there that is connected life being present experienced mental health professionals like The like myself. They're better help. They're there to help you all you have to do. He was reach out. And I'll give you a just a silly example maybe to wrap this up but I do remember and I didn't associate these things together but I remember I mean we've heard the podcast at all. There's I mean no one. I love more than my wife. She's one of the greatest people I know over the weekend. I really had this awareness that you know. I'm married to the nicest percents of ever met which is just it's kind of amazing But but she if I do something if I if I run into a poll or nothing doing that all the time Marie I fall down or something like that man. Her immediate reaction is just laughter. I mean I could have broken my leg or whatever and she's GonNa Laugh and so you know I back in the day. Okay I used to kind of be hurt that it was like wait a minute. You know my primary response or my primary Emotion would have been anger when that happened. Because it's like 'cause I hurt myself I'm angry that hurts and then I would often have a secondary emotion now I recognize come up as embarrassment and then that embarrassment would lead to me being angry and I'd be like. Oh Oh my gosh can't believe you're you're laughing at me when that just happened and you know but I know that her responses because it's funny I just fell down I mean When we were newly married we were chasing each other around the room kind of having fun and my toe around I forget what it even was and and just broke my toe and I pulled my sock off my toes pointing the entire other way at? I remember I was angry. She was laughing her head off. It was funny. I wish I could go back and see it again but so I remember as I started doing more of a mindfulness practice again. I love this head space APP and I'm doing the more that I am tapping more into the present moment. I remember one of the and again. I didn't recognize this part until afterward but I now know that one of the benefits of a mindfulness practice practiced being able to just stay in the moment and Presen- was how quickly I would fall or whatever it would be and then see her laughing and how quickly that anger that I would have would subside. And then I'm present in that present moment it's very funny and there's nothing funnier than watching my wife laugh so hard that she can't breathe so that point then I'm in that moment to and it's almost like I might be in pain but man we're laughing and it's and it's a funny experience and I bring that up because I noticed that You know earlier. We talked about a primary emotion. Sometimes of You know that fear response you know if one of my kids scares me I'm scared that is. That's what happens. I M human and and I know that oftentimes parents want to respond with anger. Because they feel like they don't have control necessarily but boy tap into that moment and then just laugh with your kids and there is nothing better than that. You know I moved surprise. You ever seen a picture of me. I have no hair. I'm bald. I used to care a fair amount about that. And so you know someone would make the joke especially one of my kids or that sort of thing you know there would be that immediate that primary that primary emotion sometimes again of of anger And and then the a secondary emotion would come out as You know I don't know embarrassment or whatever but now it's noted Used to make me angry or whatever it was like I chose not have any hair that sort of thing but then it was like okay that moves through so quickly. It's just this is just this response that comes out of just it's almost like visceral response and then tapping into my value of being present and tapping into my value of being a in the moment being a fun person being kind you know And then it some some then. I learned to enjoy a lot of the jokes that people would make or Just really be present in that moment so again. Primary emotions are these responses. They're going to happen. But but the more that you learn to recognize them and deal with them the more you're able to kind of recognize it and then just go and be present and tap into one of your values the more you're just going to be able to just enjoy experiences and be in the moment be present be more kind more loving be more connected and that is the way to a truly more enjoyable more Filling life again. That life comes with all the ups and downs bumps and bruises emotional highs and lows but recognizing that those again are just primary emotions and then when you can tap into that and be weary or watch out for those secondary motions you can stay present and just have a more amazing connected life. All right I I could go on and on and on but thanks for taking the time today. Thanks for joining me here on the virtual couch and until next time I haven't really given this one a lot of credit lately but man I still love going out with its wonderful. So we'll take you have a great week everybody lotion flying out op the other the purchase of daily grind to place. They they push and exciting news this count op op take a walk. They pushed off in a uh-huh develop. This don't explode understanding understandings and hearts. You just flu strains onto part. It is mm-hmm Caesar he's career.

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"You're damn right. Johnny Hecker got a first down on that fake. Punt was that fake. Punter fake field goal fig field goal. I think feel. Yeah. He had that first down would have made all the difference in that game. All right time for fast track. And let's see on one side of the coin. We've got the Los Angeles Lakers in Luke we trust. Yeah. On the other side of the coin. A third loss in ten days to one of the worst teams in the league job. Call it in the how dare you even suggest it could be tales it's heads and Luke we trust. It's heads in locally trust fall as well. That's cold, man. All right Mace. There are some new laws in Michigan. Yeah. In nineteen. I got three of them. I'll give you the law. You tell me if it's a good idea about should we try these laws? Okay. God, california. Okay. Law number one people who use the internet to bully your shame somewhat could get locked up cyberbullying is now a misdemeanor punishable by up to ninety three days imprisonment or a fine of up to five hundred bucks or both the penalties increase for repeat offenders or in cases, where the bullying leads to serious injury or death. Are you willing to lock people up and or find them over cyber bullying? Yes. Really? I am. I am. It's become it should be criminalized and particularly amongst kids high school kids middle school kids, man, they go at each other really hard some kind of fine, man. Those are the types of kids who they they're not fully developed. So they'll they'll start thinking about suicide, and it lent. It leads itself to tragedy. I am completely with you. Which is weird. 'cause you and I are both kind of libertarians who like fewer laws would be adding a law. But I, you know, it's ridiculous. It's gotten to the point where you know, the you can ruin somebody's life on the internet. You can right. That's number one. We're in agreement agreement. All right lot, number two restrictions on fireworks under previous law. Fireworks could be shot off thirty days of the year surrounding national holidays. The new law reduces that. Number two, twelve days mostly round the fourth of July. Yes, or no on more stringent firework laws. You know, Michigan is when I was growing up in Ohio. We were about forty five minutes from Michigan. We drove to Michigan Dubai fire. Well, maybe not anymore one amendment to this. Previous law allowed fireworks to be set off until one am but communities can now pass ordinances that cut off fireworks after eleven thirty. So you're taking ninety minutes from you. And I'm limiting the number of days, you can shoot off. Fireworks, you go you going forward or not. I love fireworks. I don't see any reason to resist his old, man. Get off my lawn tennis stuff. Yeah. I'm with you. God, we're we're in agreement on both of all, right? And have a feeling we're gonna agree on this one final tougher penalties. For animal abusers house, Bill forty three thirty to establish first second and third degrees of killing or torturing an animal and raise the maximum penalty for killing her torturing. An animal from four years in prison to ten it. Also penalized the killing of torturing of a companion animal with the goal of causing mental suffering to a person you in favor of making stricter animal abuse laws. You know, what I nothing nothing infuriates me more than somebody who mistreats. And and here's the thing. People got to understand your good example of this animals are family members to certain people. It's like their kids, you can't allow people to abuse animals in this last one, I can't even believe that they had to write a law that says torturing a companion animal with the goal of mental suffering to a person who would do something like that like you who would attack a service dog or attack a companion animal that somebody's flying with on a plane walk? What what do you do? It's the first step to being a serial killer. If you're willing to hurt animals, it's like the first ED's like a gateway to hurting people haven't that three. Laws. We agree on all of them to. Yes one. No. I told you this. I don't know if I said it on the air. But when we were down in Salvador from New Year's Eve, we had sort of this this guy named Bomba. Hey bomba. He put together a fireworks display that was on the beach around this bonfire it happened directly over our heads. I just tweeted out a little town. Tell vomit not to move to Michigan. It was the the the fire that was coming down or the the flames or whatever you call that actually singed people in there. Well, that's just a safety hazard. I is this. That's just stupid the best and most Dame welcome ever. Michigan. All right. I'm Monday night last night, the national champion Clemson Tigers were in attendance at the White House. To celebrate their national championship White House filled with sweet, smells, burgers and fries and pizza and victory to commemorate the Tigers win over Alabama in college. Football's national championship game. President Trump ordered up a menu of fast food McDonald's Burger King. Wendy's Domino's pizza salads chicken nuggets fries. Three hundred burgers to class it up. The great American food menu was served on silver platters on a long. Mahogany table placed under enormous an enormous golden chandelier. Now politics aside, I'm not asking. Okay. How politics if you were a Clemson tiger. How'd you feel about making a trip to the White House and getting surf fast food? Well, you left had a key component of this. Most of the people that work in the White House kitchen are out because of the shutdown. So he had to come up with something. He couldn't just have a regular you'd think he's lost a. Chef no he did those. There are no are. No chef. Yeah. The shutdown is the the kitchens are closed. Everything's during the government shutdown. Nobody who has a government job is. But they have to keep working people are furloughed you have to keep working. No. They don't the the people that the family lives in the white like the TSA guys. They're working. They're just not getting paid though. And Donald Trump is getting fed. I the first family is getting fed. My understanding what's that they could not host a state dinner or anything like that. Because of the shutdown, but let me answer your question answer the question because we know we know the president loves fast food, yet just plain and simple from what I was told there or what I read the Clemson kids got a big kick out of it, it it's very it's it's kind of what you would expect from President Trump. He, you know, he loves fast food. He's you know, a pro American fast food guy. I can see why did it it it played to his brand. And and. I think the question was if you were Clemson, how would you feel about getting fast food, they seem to enjoy it and have a good time. So I had no problem with it. You think they got shortchanged show to speak on the menu. Yeah. I mean, if you're a college kid when I was a college I lived on fast food, that's all day. So if I will go to the White House, I think I'm expecting a little bit more than fast food. Well, most kids were there two years ago, and they had barbecue. And they said it was very good barbecue barbecue req-. You're listening to k SPN Los Angeles. All right. Right Mace, Emily Harriet is a senior at northwestern, and she's president of the northwestern wild side the official northwestern student section athletic events for the past three and a half years. She has been shrieking at the top of her lungs to try and throw the other team off. She's a three point nine GPA student who attends dozens of athletic contests every year she screams out of pure joy. And as a way to fire the student section. I like that. But last week after receiving complaints from both fans in the arena, and television and radio partners after Sunday's basketball game against Illinois. Northwestern officials Astor to tone it down or more specifically to turn it off. So now, she has stopped shrieking reluctantly, here's what she says. Quote, it gets their attention. Some of the kids are on their phones and not dialed into the game. So she said plus enough people say, it's annoying. So I figure I must be annoying the opposing team, I'm not the sixth man, but I try and be five and a half be a helpful person. And quote, Harry might have helped last Sunday because northwestern pulled off a sixty eight sixty six upset win over Illinois. So Mace if you ran northwestern, would you tell her to shriek or nut tree shriek shriek away. I don't care about the TV in the radio. People listening to the shrieking if that's the way she wants to cheer if she wants to celebrate her team in that way, she should treat. Why would you tell clipper Darrell to shut up clipper? I've told him to shut up. No. If you you if you're shooting, unless you're not shrieking obscenities, if you're shrieking go ahead. Yeah. It's a northwestern team. That's underachieved this year gives people something to talk about I'm with you. You know, shriek away. Emily shriek away in minor league baseball. They always at least back in the day when I was working minor league. Baseball. They would drop a Mike down from the press box window to pick up the crowd noise. Right. And a lot of minor league ballparks are empty in. So there would be times where you would listen to one guy behind home plate heckle somebody. Yeah. Because that crowd Mike was saying you suck right? Play by play guys trying to do the game. And he's hearing this in his ear. I've got no problem with shrieking. And so what if you stand out of the game you stand out of the game on YouTube somewhere? There's a video of our buddy. Matt Vesco Jin was calling a brewers game back when the brewers and some guy behind the the plate was heckling so loud that Vesco Jim basically lit them up on the air. He just goes. Hey, pal put a sock in it. That's a tired act. I started yelling at the heckler any gut the guy to shut up. Yeah. I'll check. All right. Let's see your game will come later. We're learning this new. This new clock as we as we say. So I'm gonna play my game. Now, this is a simple game a factor fiction. Everything I say here is either a fact or I completely made it up and as always j you can play and. Michael funchess in for Greg. Okay. Can play. All right here. We go. Number one, the world famous goats of Tam re in Morocco actually climb trees to eat berries. And it's not unusual to see a tree filled with goats is that fact or is that fiction funchess. I'm gonna say fiction J. Oh, that's fact. No that is absolute fiction. They're not goats in the trees fiction. That is a one hundred percent fact, and I can show you out of J Corrales roads. Number two, the movie bohemian rhapsody is now the second highest grossing musical bio pic of all time trailing only straight outta Compton. Is that factor is that fiction? Jay, I'm gonna say fiction. I'm gonna say fixing his I think mama Mia would would have beat it. Fudge. Fiction all three of us going fiction fiction all for the wrong reasons. Bohemian rhapsody is the number one bio pic so with the hundred ninety four million straight outta Compton. At one hundred sixty one million. The next one Willie thrower was the first African American quarterback in the NFL. He played for the cog. Oh bears in nineteen fifty three. Is that fact or is that fiction? I think you made it up, and I think you made up the name thrower because it would be really funny. If someone missed it, I think it is complete fiction complete fiction. Yeah. Heard the name though. Yeah. A million percent. Yes. L E thrower, Google him. Somebody made that up and put it on the internet or no, absolutely true. Or that wasn't his real name. And somebody said who's that black guy? What's his name? Oh, let's call it. It's true. It's true. This looked it up. It's true. It's true Willie throw. All right, j you still lead to two one remarkably the term Charlie horse comes from bandit. Jesse James who source Charlie Gallup so fast at times that he got cramps in his legs. Is that factor is at fiction, Michael funches fiction. Jay. Yeah. I'm going fix into. I was going to say fiction, but I need to catch up at some. No, I'm going fiction. I think it's fake. It is. In the Sherlock Holmes books by Arthur Conan Doyle Sherlock, Holmes. Never says elementary my dear Watson is that factor. Is that fiction? Jay, I'll say, that's fact, that is fact fact. Yeah, that is did see term paper, and Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. And he never says that just like Keith Jackson never said. Whoa. Nelly. Just like Sam in castle or at bogey never says play it again Sam places play one more time at one time. You never says played against. All right. How many to laugh, okay? Actually, only one. Okay, one. Then that means this is where two and a half funds. You and I are one day it's Corrales for you. And I have three funchess. All right. So this'll decide between Bob and Scott Cole cow, sqi, father and son. They played in the first in the last NFL games. Played. At the Pontiac Silverdome, so father son, Bob and Scott Cole. Cow sqi played in the first and last games at the Pontiac Silverdome is at factors at fiction funches fiction. Jay, I'll say fact, okay. So I need this to beat the only way I can beat Corrales to say fiction. And I'm hoping those guys are fraternity brothers of yours, and you completely made it up. I'll go fiction hundred percent fact. Corral swin first and last games at the Pontiac Silverdome there you have it. So Corrales wins. Nice. All right. More fasttrack coming up for you in two minutes. Mason Ireland ESPN LA. Rex dedicated helping homeowners save using game changing technology a full service experience and no middleman Rex's cutting agent commissions by seventy percent to get started an unlock your savings. Visit Rex homes dot com. Files. Chat may some Chicago Bears fans are upset that bears kicker. Cody parkey did an appearance on the today show last week parkey went in the show to talk about how you get over missing the kick that would have won the play the bears playoff game against the eagles the week before parkey said all the right things that football is his job. Not what defines him, blah, blah, blah. But some fans feel that he should have let more time pass before doing press about this. Yeah. What do you think was it too soon? After missing that kick for Parkie to be doing a media tour too soon. Too. So I mean, he ripped the hearts out of Chicago Bears fans everywhere, and it's too early for the I'm over it stage of of this moment for for our parkey. I think it's way too soon. Not only are you. Right. But he's in real trouble. Now, really yesterday. Matt Nagy the coach of the bears was asked about this and Nagy says he shouldn't have done it. He goes when we winning game we win as a team when we losing game. We lose his team. That was me thing. Not a we. And I think they're gonna cut him. He missed seven kicks. Yeah. They should cut him for missing kicks. And he's got a guaranteed contract for next year. So it's going to cost him some money. But I think Cody parkey may have done his last TV apol- as a member of the Chicago Bears. I think he screwed up fast track. All right. Major league baseball surpassed ten billion dollars in revenue for the first time in two thousand eighteen most revenue for any North American sport ever despite 'em obese massive growth in revenue. It is not trickling down to player salaries. It's the middle of January top free agents. Manny Machado, Bryce Harper remained unsigned along with Craig kimbrel. Dallas kaikal AJ Pollock on and on 'em. Lt MLB teams are focused on generating revenue as opposed to worrying about the product on the field. The ringer did a story on this. And they write quote other top free agents like kimbrel. Kaikal Pollick also remained without a job. And the players asking prices seem to drop even lower the one way that players can address this is striking at the end of the MLB collective bargaining agreement and twenty twenty one do you think that would be the right move for players and would fan support them. How fans would not support them. The last time baseball had a strike. It was a disaster. They just brought in a bunch of replacement players and they played and but ceiling remember at one point ninety four I think but seal even cancelled the World Series the World Series. Yeah. And that's what the owners would do they always do that? And and baseball players make a lot of money. But I do believe that you have a point here that if you look at the amount of free agents that are still out there and sign not kidding contracts. It's pretty staggering there. Over ninety baseball players right now who you would consider to be good players who don't have a team. Yeah. And I think it's because teams are looking at their payrolls. And they're trying to like the dodgers. I think are are trying to keep their payroll. A third of teams are tanking. Right. And so the money isn't being pushed back into the product itself on the field. That's why I think there's a chance that fans will look at this and say, wait a minute. I get it. My team spend tanking for five solid years, and we're not getting anywhere. Our owner should be spending more of that revenue sharing money. It'll be interesting to follow. But I don't think there's any question that owners are not treating that two hundred and eight million dollar luxury tax threshold as a hard cap. Well, and the other thing you should look for that kind of runs parallel to your question today is that these NFL coaches who've been getting hired. Yep. I read an article yesterday, then in all of their contracts for all new these eight new guys they're stipulations to what happens if there's a work stoppage in twenty twenty one. So the owners clearly think the players maybe based on some of this Colin Kaepernick stuff, maybe based on lack of guaranteed contracts. They think the players are going to hold out or they're going to lock them out. Right twenty-one. Right. And that could be a great year for sports. Baseball strike football. Lockout. Hell are we gonna talk about? Right. Well. Well, when I don't like is. That's right. When the new stadium opens will you don't. In and then one year now. Yeah, exactly fast. China's went for me. I have a list is a game. You can play funches j you can play. I have a list of current ram players. And where they went to college. Let's see if you guys can match the player to the school yet. All right. Here's the first one Brandin cooks went to school at a Oregon state be Oregon or see LSU fund, which one Oregon state, Oregon relics, you think it's Oregon state, okay? J it's Oregon may spring. I say I think it's LSU though winner is Michael funchess. Brandon cook went to Oregon state. Okay. All right. Number two. No wonder nobody ever heard of them. Mark, barron. Went to a Clemson be Florida or see Alabama. Jay, Mark, Barron. Went to Clemson, Florida or Alabama. Florida Mace, Clemson, Florida. Alabama. Bama Michael is to for to bear. Alabama. Okay. C J Anderson went to a Stanford be Cal or see Washington may Stanford collar Washington, cow fudge, Washington. Jay, washington. Okay. You too or eightieth? Winter listening today. Gee. For Steve to win. How tight you've tied funchess for the lead. All right funds. You go first on this one Samson who become went to a eastern Washington be central Michigan or see western Kentucky, a eastern Washington be central. Michigan. See western Kentucky, central Michigan. You're going central. Michigan j western Kentucky. Western Kentucky Mace. I'm going western Kentucky, all three of you. Incorrect. Went to new stern washing eastern. Same school is Holland cowherd. Wow. All right. John Johnson the safety went to a Rutgers be Syracuse or see Boston College. Rutgers Syracuse or Boston College Mays you first Syracuse. Funk. Rutgers Rutgers J Syracuse, all three of you. How we roll two more. So far funchess to Mason to Corrales bupkus that I got one. Oh, wait. I take the back. Yeah. You did get one. It's two to one lamarcus Joyner went to a Florida. Be Florida's state. See Miami fund. Lamarcus Joyner Florida, Florida state or Miami fest. You a for shoe J FSU FSU Mace? I'm gonna go Florida Mason, you should have followed there. Tutu, but it all comes down this. This one's worth two and a half has three corral says to Mason has to you need this one to win it, boys. Roger cephalopod went to a Indiana be Iowa. See Perdue J Corrales, Indiana, Iowa or Purdue right here. Sapphire you're going to base, Indiana, Iowa or Purdue am I going I I'm Jay just went. He's guest. Doodoo? We'll make Michael go because I'm I'm the one that's in the prone position. Yeah. He's I'll say Iowa going, Iowa, Mason Nian, Iowa Purdue. I'll say Indiana Mason with some serious strategy for the win. I tell you. We were padding for him. You very nicely done. Remind victory for masive rate, though, that was the equivalent of one dollar on priceless. Absolutely was good. All right. Time for one more. What's CAS stand for the consumer electronic show? So new product this year at the convention, Las Vegas it. It has all the gadgets. Gadget convention looks like a little penguin cat kind of a little sloth. It's called a low vodka. It's a companion robot. It's got big googly eyes. An even bigger A I powered heart cab. It was designed and built by Konami Hiatchi who says his goal was building a companion robot that was cuter than BB eight the robot from from Star Wars. Okay. In a nationwide survey of twenty three in Americans last year. Almost fifty percent said they feel alone or left out always or sometimes serious. I've talked about this on the show. I think loneliness is a huge issue in our culture. How do you feel about somebody having a little companion pet robot? Lova the name of the robot is low. But yes, I say you go low vodka. I think that if whatever gets people moving. Yes, if you're sitting at home by yourself and your miserable and Lovato, we'll talk back to you and low will hang out with you. And I I have zero problem with it is really super cute. It's like a toy. Right. But it's a I so it will react to you. If you're sad. It'll be sad. How much money for Lovato? We know I I've not seen a price yet. But I would say priceless priceless. Yeah. I mean, it's the same reason. I don't make fun of people that have pets. No. It's not extra person. But you got a cat more power to you. Love the cat counts. I'll tell this story. I I have nothing against cats. I'm not a cat person. But I have nothing against cats. When Enzo got hit by a car and died, right? I was your dog my dog, I was gone for a week tag. Okay. When Marcellus Wylie's cat died. He took the day off. And I said oh, come on. It's a cat. And you took a week off when your dog dies. Yes. But cats are great, and I know people love them. And I don't mean to, you know, be Smerch cats. Yeah. I just think cats can take you or leave you yet. But low-vat I zero for you have any problem with low mutt. No. I'd say look, I say, whatever, by the way, that's where pet cultures coming from pet culture is coming from the fact that no matter who you are no matter where you are. You can have a little buddy with didn't see it. But wasn't there a relatively successful movie called her where a guy basically falls for Siri? He falls for series. Yes. He does. You know, the night pal. More power to voice of Siri in that particular thing in the movie her right? Scarlett Johansson, well, no wonder she would just rope. You right in don't that John was walking females good for him. Yeah. All right there you have it thunders fast-track today. Mason, ladies and gentlemen, feels the tonight's Laker game against the ten in thirty five. Chicago Bulls hen and thirty is a critical game. I'm serious. He thinks. Yes. Critical must-win game. We'll explain why net. Mason Ireland ESPN LA said this earlier today. That if the Lakers were to lose tonight at home to Chicago, they would have over a ten day period. Lost to the three worst teams in the league at home who all three by the way are were on losing streaks after a three and five star. Magic Johnson member they famous admonishment of Luke Walton. Ultimately, Magic Johnson said that Luke Walton finished the year unless something drastic were to happen losing to the to the nicks the Cavs. And the bulls at home the three worst teams in the league on in a in a ten day streak would constitute in my opinion, something drastic. And I put this out on a pole, John, you know, how scientific these polls this if the Lakers lose badly to Chicago tonight that would be losses to the three worst teams in the league at attendee period. Would you fire Luke Walton? What percentage? Do you think says, oh, the choices are? No, yes. Or stupid question. So what percentage do you think say, yes? Well, first of all let me vote in your poll. I would be a no, no. I think that is not the winner. People love to go for people to ads. So I will say yes is the winner followed by no. And I don't think it's necessarily stupid questions. So I'll I'll say, that's yeah. Eighteen percent. Stupid question. Forty-four percent say yes. Thirty eight percent say no and people going pretty hard on Luke Lucas what the twenty six this is Tyler JoAnne. Lucas what the twenty sixth or twenty seventh best head coach in the NBA. If you think that's the best. The Lakers can do. That's fine. I think this organization in this group of players deserve more. And I don't think that's asking a lot. I here's my argument. Number one. Let me let me set some set some conditions of what I'm about to say, I have not talked to rob Pelinka or magic constant nor would they would they talk to me about this. Of course. So I don't know anything in in in terms of what they're thinking. I would argue that it's unfair. Not that the world is fair. But it is. Fair to fire a coach over a losing streak that happens. When your best player is hurt. You would be based on your argument. You said you would fire him because they have looked listless against the three worst teams in the league. No fight lackadaisical. Tonight. It's based on they go out and they land egg tonight. Like, they did now my hope is they're embarrassed. My hope is they say, wow, we cannot let what happened with Cleveland happen. Again. We are going to come out on fire tonight with passion, we're going to win this game. And then it's a completely different conversation. Well, but wait a minute. Then the schedule gets really hard though. I'm not gonna I'm not going to criticize him for losing to at OSA. We're not we're not having the same discussion next week if they lose snow times three, okay? See at Houston home to Golden State. I'm not gonna complain about those. It's you've got to beat the bad teams, especially with LeBron out. All right. I think that's I think what you're saying. You know, I get it. I get what you're saying. But I just wouldn't fire a guy who for losing games on the bronze out. I just wouldn't do it. Furthermore, I think they're I know there are people in the Lakers ation not magic. And rob who I haven't talked to. But other people there that feel like the Lakers have fired too, many coaches in the last seven eight years, you know, it's been two years out for Mike Brown two years in out for Mike dantonio two years in out for Byron Scott. This would be two years in change for Luke. So that would be you know, that's a lot of coaches, that's four coaches in. Road that you go to years and out. That's a lot. Yeah. Well, got to find the right one. Right. So I hope they don't do it. I don't know. Let's let's hope it's it's a it's a mood conversation. Let's hope they come out tonight. And they blow the doors off one of the worst teams in the NBA. Let's hope that whatever Luke Walton is doing a similar to what he did after the Minnesota game where he challenged both Lonzo ball and Brandon Ingram, and they came out that next game on fire. Let's hope that that's what we see tonight. Because then I don't think we've got the same conversation the premise is they lose tonight back out to Chicago. And I wonder also how much of like, for example, some people it doesn't even have to be badly. Right. Okay. So the seven of thirty four from three. Yeah. Blame pie how much Lou how much of that is coaching seven of thirty four from three. Seven of thirty four from three is. Is not coaching. Okay. The fact that they're the worst free throw shooting team in the league that you could argue that they're there. I'd not sure that every option has been tried. Are you? I think they've tried almost every guy Mormons coaches. Do I agree with you about this? I think that the time has come to try unconventional stuff. You don't win the time came it came two weeks ago came three weeks ago. You don't want to that your dad all along, Michael? And I did that game on Christmas day, which was twenty days ago. Right today is the fifteenth of January this was on December twenty fifth. Yup. And we looked at each other and said man the Lakers just waxed. The warriors. Nobody's gonna wanna play the Lakers if they get this team into the playoffs and then the injury Dorando the injury to LeBron both in that game. They both go out the two best leaders on the team. And we find ourselves in a conversation. Fifteen days later about fire in the coach it can happen that fast. But I really think if they get LeBron back, and I God help us if they don't get LeBron back that they. Could go on a run get into the play offs and put the fear God into somebody in the first round. But here's the thing. They've got to get LeBron back fast. I know I mean, and and we find we get an update tomorrow. And nobody knows what that update will be. Yeah. I mean, no, nobody's got a clue. We know that that he's been shooting at least in in in the half court, but he's not necessarily been running. And you're at okay, see at Houston and home to Golden State. That's the streak that comes after Chicago. Now, those I'm not those I'm gonna blame on if LeBron not they're losing too much much better teams that is those are all championship caliber teams that's different than losing to the Knicks and Chicago, and Cleveland, that's a totally different ballgame. Yeah. I think they're gonna win tonight. Oh god. I hope. So I think they're going to win tonight. All right. So we've got an update this. I I don't know if it's an update this is Mark Stein has written a column for the New York Times. And this is what Mark says. It's not Walton's fault that the Lakers roster as everyone knows is woefully lacking. Entrusted shooters after playmakers such as regime, Rondo and land Stevenson were prioritized and free agency, nor should Walton be held culpable for the fact that neither Brandon Ingram nor Lonzo ball back to back. Number two overall picks by the Lakers in two thousand sixteen twenty seventeen have fully meshed with a healthy James with a healthy James or manage to suitably step up in his absence. The Lakers have indeed slipped from number four in the west in the wake of their Christmas dismantling of mighty Golden State all the way down to nine after the loss to Cleveland. It's also an open secret in Laker land that Walton has the strongest possible backing from owner Jeanie Buss, even if the front office tandem of Magic Johnson, and rob Pelinka held Walton response. For the Lakers swoon and wanted to make an in season. Change bus would almost certainly prevent such rashness. So it sounds as though at least according to Mark Stein. If magic and rob wanted to do something with Luke Jeannie would throw herself on the tracks. I don't know if that's true minor standing I trust. I trust. Mark Stein is. My understanding. But you know, this all goes take this with a grain of salt because the owner at the end of the day has final say, she does a lot of these guys are told you are in charge of all basketball decisions. And I was told that was the mantra that was given to magic in order to get him to take the gig. That you are in charge of all basketball decisions. So you either are you're not right. You either are or you're not. So which one is it if loot if magic decides at twenty one it's open secret in Laker land. Yeah. I think Jeannie would would don't you live in Laker land. Don't you have an address in Lincoln spock's? I'm in. I'd I'd what would you say Laker landed Jason. Landay DJ. Yeah. I they don't they don't consult with the radio announcer when they're gonna make coaching changes. But the I know genie roots for Luke and wants him to succeed. Everybody roots for Lucan wants him to succeed. But let's get back to it's is incredibly nice guy. And at the thing that surprises me the most about this discussion is that you would fire him. 'cause you're normally you're normally with me like if you're going to fire somebody you better know who you're bringing in. And I'm surprised you would do the Cleveland loss was disgusting. That was disgusting performance. And remember this entire thing is the premise of this is that they show up and get get lose badly to Chicago tonight. You've been tough on coaches. Like you wanted to fire Dave Roberts. You still want to fire clay Helton guy. Still definitely want to fire. The Lakers lose tonight. You wanna fire Luke if they lose badly? Absolutely one. Luke. I I just think that it's very hard to hold these guys accountable for a stretch. A games when the bronze not phase. Okay. By the way in my book. I would hope so. Yeah. For a stretch of games at and we're talking about it marks article made reference to it. We're talking about a team that was in fourth place right on Christmas day, right and smack the warriors bad. And now here we are fifteen days later talking about this. You just go show, man. You're gotta fund on a done. Look. I mean, let let's let's propose. Let's accept the worst case scenario and say, they do lose to Chicago tonight. Okay. So you've got losses to the three worst teams in the league. When. Lebron comes back. The mountain is even higher to climb into playoff contention and declined to a good seed than it was before. You've got to beat the awful teams in these are awful. They're teams that are trying to lose. You're losing two teams that are trying to lose. Yeah. That's bad. You know, Mark brings up something else in this article that I'm curious how you feel about he says if the Lakers were to miss the playoffs. Yes. But finished with a winning record. Yeah. Like, let's say they finish Forty-six and thirty check. Okay. That's actually too many games because you catch. All right. Yeah. Let's say they win forty five games and the the east team that gets the eight seed wins forty games finishes forty and forty two right? There's been kind of a movement in the NBA to get the league to take the the sixteen best records and put them in the playoffs. Yes. Regardless of conference. Yeah. And Mark makes the statement if LeBron's Lakers finished ninth in the west or worse when it appears that the east could wind up with one or more sub five hundred teams on its side of the postseason brace yourself for the loudest noise in history on the debate over whether or not they should take the sixteen best records to the playoffs. How do you feel about that? Should they stick with the conference format or should they take the sixteen best team? I've always thought it should be the best sixteen teams a lot of people. Do you know? And and because I think you get into. Interesting matchups that way. Like, for example. Let's say this for these the tot the east is top-heavy. These actually is really good teams Toronto Milwaukee Indiana, Philly Boston all really really good. I I mean, I don't think there's a guarantee that one of those teams is getting through to the conference finals, I think that are getting through to the NBA finals and the Toronto would be favored. But it wouldn't surprise me. If it was Philly or Boston or even Indiana. And if you think about it, you know, it used to be in the old days that they did this for geography reasons. In other words, they wanted to keep everybody geographically close at the beginning in the playoffs. But that's out the window their teams in the west in the Western Conference that are farther east than teams in the east like Memphis is in the eastern time zone right there in the Western Conference. So the show Lakers would be the fourteen right now. Right. They'd be the Ford lying, and they also be out if we if we stick with the. Listing format ninth. Right, right. Ninety nine right now by by half. Again. They're a half game out of missing it in a one through sixteen. Right. Well, this is how weird the Lakers position is right now, they are three games from the four seed in the west, and they are three games from the fourteen seed in the west. That's how tight it is. That's how bunched up it is their three wins away from the four and three losses away from the forty that is why you've got to beat the teams that are trying to lose beat the teams that are trying to lose that should be the slow. It look when LeBron is going on is gone. Just beat the teams that are trying to lose that gives you a chance I'm telling you these losses are gonna win tonight. These losses like the Knicks, and Cleveland, and if God forbid it happens tonight, those kinds of losses are the ones that are gonna wind up hurting the Lakers in terms of. Eating or even keeping them out of the playoffs. Once LeBron gets back. And when do we expect an update on LeBron tomorrow tomorrow, I don't know what it'll be but you're going to get one tomorrow. And you know, we're flying we're on a plane tomorrow. I'm not here tomorrow. We're gonna play in at one o'clock flying on the planes. You'll you'll know by the time you're show stove though. Yeah. They'll issue it before we take up. Oh god. And I'll be able to tell you whether or not LeBron's on that play. Right. We don't even know if LeBron's going to be on the trip yet. Right. Correct. That's a rough trip without him at Oakland at Houston. Okay. See an ad Houston. Yeah. Bow by the way, and then home to face. Neither one of those games are on spectrum there nationally televised games. So the okay, see. Okay, see TNT. And then Saturday night is the first big ABC ESPN ABC game, Houston, James harden. And then Mondays Golden State right on Martin Luther King day. What time of day is that seven thirty seven thirty. Yeah. But don't they play games all day long? Tweeting. We're in primetime. Okay. Got it. But the game Saturday's earlier the game Saturday. I think is at six, okay. Yeah. So hopefully, we get good news on the brunt tomorrow. All right coming up next purgatory not sure who's here with us on the hallway. Okay. So Sodano's who's not sure if any we don't know who else, but he's here. It's always a grab bag Mason and Ireland ESPN LA. Yeah. I just informed. Sodano of a very important fact that you have to tell one temptation island repair tonight man fought in a clock on USA network. Fox dropped the ball in two thousand three or four whatever it was on that on USA network. Yeah. Tonight. Do I get that? Yes. You do. I get you. You get it. Do you? Why don't you don't watch suit the suits? You don't watch wrestling like, Michael? No, I do not watch the wrestling like, Michael Jordan, Saddam church weighing on this. We've been debating for when we we've talked a lot about the Rams. Yeah. But this Laker game tonight. Mason thinks if the Lakers were to lose it that they should change the coach. And I think that is incredibly rash. But but I have to tell you. Yeah. Most of the listeners agree agree with Mason. What do you think? Do you think it's even a possibility by I think it's a possibility? I don't think that it's likely, but I do think it's possibly because it classifies under. What was the word that magic used drastic drastic? You lose to the three worst teams in the league in a period of ten days all of them at home and coming but joins me with the limousine to argument today. You would be kneecapping your coach who fifteen days ago on Christmas day, they look they were the four seed in the western crate, and you'd be making decision based on him not having LeBron again, not unprecedented. I told you about steaming Gundy yesterday, David blackout wacked with a winning record with the best record in the east. But I'm saying you can really judge this team without libra. Ron I mean, they were built I wouldn't around LeBron I wouldn't. But I think that they also are judging this team based on the production of the young guys because they want to trade them. And right now, they're production is the production plummeted. And I think they're trade values plummeted. Yeah. I mean, I think you could definitely make the case that their trade value is not what was that the start of the season. Here's one thing. Mark Stein wrote. He says it's an open secret in Laker land that Walton has the strongest possible backing from owner Jeanie Buss, even if the front office tandem of Magic Johnson, and rob Pelinka held Walton responsible for the Lakers swoon and wanted to make an in season change bus almost certainly would prevent such rashness. Well, she is absolutely the mother of dragons, right? And like she's got to protect your baby dragon. And that's Luke right now. I don't think there's any doubt about that. Although if you empower somebody to make all basketball decisions. Yeah, she's done with magin. Can you like, nah? Not let them make the biggest one. Yeah. I agree. I think it's it's a really tough spot for her. And by the way, if I'm Luke I'm looking at this. And I have put a lot of faith in these young guys, right, including his post game press conference the other night where he talked about how he keeps the faith of them. They just beat the warriors. Like, you said John by by the way, George killed right? I watched it, and they, but they are not reciprocating his faith. They're not rewarding his faith, right? Because they're playing like garbage like we could talk about. Yeah. Brandon Ingram put up twenty two points, or whatever. None of those points are impactful. You can't beat the Cleveland Cavaliers, it's basketball. Somebody's got to score. And it is it is honestly what you're listening to Caspian, Los Angeles. I thought what happened with Cleveland was just disgraceful. Yeah. I mean, and I know it's funny. You mentioned the the stool Lance quotes. He really went after I mean, it was passionate list. I guess that would passionate Lewis is not a word listless dispassionate. Yes. Fashion is the worst passionate. Listless? There was no fight. There was no fire. There was no. There was no attacking mentality. Fire in the bellies fire in the belly xactly. Tell me tell me reporting the lines on this. Yeah. And and what you think it means no K via ESPN. This was today at practice while a Brian is yet to do any full court basketball activities with the team Luke Walton said he's hopeful to hear positive news tomorrow when James's status will be updated, quote, I'm optimistic about life Walton said yes that would be covered in that. I think will get good news back. And quote, I'm positive about life. I'm optimistic about laugh domestic about life. I don't know. What that feels like you're just, but no the last move is horrible the last code is one. I think maybe no some I think we'll get good news back. Why would you say that unless you knew good news was coming tomorrow? Yeah. You're right. You're right. It sounds like. Getting a plane, but it sounds like he may be he may know something. What are you gonna magin? He knows. I mean, he I mean LeBron is to get back. I think LeBron it for the first time he is looking at his basketball mortality and saying, oh, yeah. This may not last that much longer because he's never been hurt. Like this ever at any point is life and at thirty four this is one it starts to compound, right? Yeah. I mean, you know, it's basically he slipped on Christmas day, and he's been gone for three weeks. Right. It's kind of like when you sneeze and throughout your back as an old person. Now the rest of us. Not old guy. It's happened to me man, these, oh what the hell? They just pulled something. No at does happen. I mean it happens. The baseball players all the time. I feel how many baseball players stories. Michael Thompson tonight. Yeah. The way Michael lump limps around with that. He needs to hip, hip, replace- bad. We should all chip in. Yeah. Type started started his son just signed an eighty eight million dollar country. It's not money. It's if he's too lazy to start a Kickstarter campaign, so Mike go fund me. Go fund me. Yeah. But I I'm with you may I think tonight is a big night. Like, you cannot not be part of this game. Like you got to watch. It. You got to listen to it. You got to consume it. Because if they lose tonight all hell will break loose tomorrow. Right. Because those next three are really tough game. So what what are you twenty with the next three go look at the next eighteen games? There's only like two or three teams that are under five hundred basically there. No problem. We got LeBron until well what if he doesn't come back? We don't have until we have them, right? Hater. Yeah. I don't believe that's hating. You sound like my dad Tony the other day when I asked him how do you expect to get back into this game? And he's simple answer to me was we have James harden. We have a shot. Well, it through although Daryl Morey said last week that James Harden's the greatest offensive player of the game has ever seen. I mean does he know that we'll average fifty points a game one year? Fifty what Michael was doing was pretty impressive to without a three point shot freight. Yeah. I mean, come on. I think James Harden's great. Yeah. I don't want to take anything away from what he's doing. But greatest offensive force the game has ever seen. Did he just say that about your? But he's very he he gives LeBron LA love he thinks LeBron is the greatest of all time like overall player, I think he just thinks anybody. Well. It was a seventeenth straight thirty point game. That's the longest streak of any NBA players each Kobe Chamberlain and Wilk did it for twenty street. So harden is just three games away from surpassing that streak of thirty point games. Yeah. He surpassed Kobe who's had the most post merger. Correct. Yes. But he runs into the Lakers on Sunday night, and they're trap trapping defense. I think it's the end of the Lakers defense has actually been good since LeBron panel better. Yeah. Because the people out there, you know, let's LeBron's MO is not defense in December January maybe March. So does does it land play Oklahoma City tonight? I think they do right. Is anybody keep track of them? No, no. Why why you're because I'm hanging on the Wall Street Journal about the worst shooters in the league. Is it trae young trae young and Russell Westbrook three point shooters? Oh, yeah. Russell Westbrook is not shooting twenty three percent from three they do their played at any still shooting five. Five Oklahoma City Atlanta that game starts in an hour and a half. So Trey it's in the two worst three point shooters linked by percentage. Yes. In terms of our are trae young and Russell Westbrook. Yeah. They Russell Westbrook. That night were they played the Spurs net. Crazy game lamarcus Aldridge entered fifty six points. He didn't take very many threes that night, which you know, kept them in the game. I thought he did up twenty assists because of it. It's funny to me because I don't get why you just don't tell him. Hey, man, just chill on the three point shots. You're just not good. Here's okay. So this is from the Wall Street Journal piece. He's the this is the flip side of the three point revolution in the NBA. There are more shooters than ever in today's NBA. And that means there are more bad shooters than ever. There are simply too many powerful incentives for NBA players to shoot. And so they keep doing something. They're not very good at the average number of shooters Percy's and taking at least four and a half threes per game while making less than thirty five percent of them. Was seven before this year. There are twenty nine players this year taking four point three four point five threes or more per game and shooting at less than thirty five percent. That is an astonishing number of awful shooters your incentivize to shoot three. So the value of it is all it is. You're just playing a, you know, a math equation at some point twenty three percent. Oh, no. That's terrible. You're right. From Westbrook is crazy. I wouldn't even guard everything else. Well, yeah. Why would you even guard that twenty three percents? Yeah. I wouldn't guard it I would just like all right? Let's figure it out. And it's funny because Sam prestige, and you this John because you know, you're in the league and the same guys work in the league, I work over here. The side of the SAM's prestige is an analytics guy, but realizes his roster isn't quipped to do that. So he's like the hell of it. We we don't they don't shoot a ton of threes upset of ruts is there. And is there is there ever been a guy who has traded away? I mean think about it. He he traded James harden. He let Kevin Durant getaway road with the bucket. Right. And then trade it a Bachan. I mean, if he still just hung onto those guys. Yeah. Durant harden, and a Bacha wouldn't they be at the top of the I'm sure, but I think that's an ownership. Call more than anything. Although I mean in fairness. Yeah, I think I think Hardin was was an ownership call. I think that was just what's that guy's name. Clay, clay, Bennett Bennett, who's just cheap and said, you gotta get rid of one of these guys. I mean, it's not like John you always make fun of light years ahead of every organization. It's sports if the Golden State Warriors end up maxing all four there guys. Would you not acknowledge that they are light years ahead of every organization? It's what they put their money home a city should have done years ago money where it belongs, which is they invested in players. Well, the rockets I'm convinced. No one has said this on the record. But I am convinced. That's what they did with Trevor REEs this year that the owner was like, I'm not paying the luxury tax fifteen million dollars dollars on Trevor Aretha. And I think it was a huge mistake. Trevor REEs is playing really well this year in Washington right now. Yeah. The here's what I would do tonight, by the way, if is the Lakers win, I throw Michael Beasley in the starting lineup. Oh, because there's going to be a shakeup. What do you think? It'll be a case going to change this. Josh Josh is not played all that. Well, he's not making shots. But I would put busy inserting just because their problem is they keep falling behind show. Beasley wear like I put Ingraham in the back court with Lonzo. Okay. And then put a frontline of Kouzmin Beasley in jail McGee. And just because when you need a basket you throw it to Beasley in the elbow, and you can get you one. So you don't fall into these ten fifteen point whole offense has stunk without LeBron defense is better but offense terrible. And that's what Peasley. That's right. And the rest of those guys can defend even though might can't. But at least you got other guys out there who will try. Well, they better try tonight, man, if they lose Zach Levin has one of these. Breezy games. Only the lights out Lauri Markkanen Laurie market and is good. He isn't. I think he's. Well. Here's the thing. Chicago probably one that Jimmy Butler trade here was the train. Oh, yeah. All right. They sent Jimmy Butler to Minnesota in return. They got Lowery Markkanen. Yeah. Yeah. Zach LeVine and Chris Dun. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good trade. Yeah. Really nice player. That is a good treat for yet. And then of course, they lost than the trade to Philly because I mean, they got decent players back in starch and Covington, but they're not game changing players. Right. And he says you could say Minnesota lost both right, right? That's why Tibbs is doesn't have a job right now. More than anything else. Well, that's a pretty good place to stop. Yeah. We can just do chapter two. Let's do purgatory chapter to wait people. Get so excited for the chapters of purgatory. Yeah, they do. They actually disappointed that there's one less chapter one last chapter. It's no more than what they dream of a person as disappointed. It's the otter. Mrs hand on is that he wanted the head on his head right there. He loved the Shari honor the relay Mason, Ireland ESPN LA.

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