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A Deeper Look at C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy With Christiana Hale
"To familiarize the audience with the plot of these three books, the first book is out of the silent planet, the second book is peril andra and the third book is that hideous strength. That's the ransom trilogy, but talk about the general plot. What is this about? Why is it called the ransom trilogy? Yes. So I think the first book, Lewis intended, I think, at the beginning to actually only write a single book. This happened frequently for him, where he would kind of get sidetracked, and it would turn into turned into something bigger than he may be initially intended it to. And I would argue that the first book is almost a kind of a there and back again, almost like The Hobbit story. We have our main character who inadvertently stumbles upon these men who are trying to abduct a boy to take into Mars to sacrifice him to the Martians. So they think the natives require sacrifice. And so they're trying to abduct this boy. He intervenes. He ends up getting kidnapped in the boy's place. And so he ends up taking to Mars and their spaceship and basically the rest of the book is him trying to find his way and figure out how to get back. Okay, this is the first in the book called out of the silent book out of the silence. When ransom who's appropriately named because he's a type of Christ and also he goes in the place of the boy who these evil characters are trying to kidnap to take to Mars as a sacrifice or whatever. So that's the first book. And that was written what? 39. When was that written? I believe so I am really, really bad at memorizing dates. So I believe it was round end of end of yes, so 39 sounds right. Might have been 40 right around there. And in a funny way, I mean, this is at the beginning of science fiction. I mean, Lewis, you know, there was some science fiction H.G. Wells or whatever. But Lewis is writing its fantasy, it's a kind of science fiction, but it's more than that. It's very literary. And so
Deeper Heaven: A Reader's Guide to C.S. Lewis' Ransom Trilogy
"I'm talking both ours today with Christiana Hale, the author of a new book called deeper heaven, a reader's guide to C. S. Lewis's ransom trilogy because a guide to C. S. Lewis ransom trilogy did not exist and needed to be written and Christiana Hale wrote it. And here's the good news, I actually read the whole book, which I rarely get to do. And it is a wonderful guide to see if Lewis is random. I'm just so grateful to you, Christiana for writing this book because as you said before, nothing like it existed, and people are intimidated by the world of Lewis's ransom trilogy because it seems deep and intimidating and stuff. It's really not. Because it works on so many levels. But your book serves as a just a wonderful introduction. So we were just talking about, so the first book is a trip to Mars, the second book is a trip to Venus, the third book is called that hideous strength, which is a really bizarre book that kind of almost stands on its own. But let's just kind of keep going with the plot, the overview of these three books. So the first book, this guy ran some, he doesn't know what he's getting into, right? Like he's a guy that's just kind of on a walking tour and he kind of stumbles on this dark situation with these people, he's nefarious scientists wanting to kidnap this boy and take him to Mars to sacrifice him. And so he sort of intervenes. And so he inadvertently finds himself going to Mars. Yes, that was right. In the first book. And then if we're moving on to the second book, in the second book, it's less accidental. It's more on purpose. And what's fascinating to me is that the whole reason the second book happens, though, is because of the first book. And this is Louis's genius, is that this first book was a total accident, ransom just stumbled, stumbled into this situation, because of this kidnapping because he was taken to Mars. The important thing that happens is that ransom was a philologist, meaning he studied languages, and being taken Mars, he was fascinated by the fact that these creatures are speaking a different language.
Rep. Andy Biggs and Charlie Discuss the Cartel's Role Along the Border
"The cartel's role in this? So the cartel, they prey on these poor people in Nicaragua and in Honduras. And they take all their money and they trafficked them. Right up to the border and they make money on the human smuggling part of it and sometimes they'll have them bring drugs across. Can you talk about how sophisticated this is though? Because the impression a lot of Americans have is that these are just people and mountain and village towns and they kind of, they build themselves up by the bootstraps to go to a better life. It's not like that. This is a kidnapping operation. A pseudo kidnapping operation where there's a business model where the cartels know what they're doing and in fact their profit motive is getting as many people as possible across the southern border. Please expand on that. Yeah, that's exactly right. So cartel effectively controls every inch of the southern border where I'm standing today. They tend to let migrants come through. Why? Because they don't want the disruption. But in other places, whether it's humor or Tucson or Rio Grande valley, they're controlling everybody. So let's say you go to in Del Rio, they're going to let a bunch of people come through and then they're going to send in that would cause an distraction and they'll be hundreds of miles without any patrols. So that's going on. And while that's going on, you've got people that are coming through. They don't have any money. We talked to some folks from Peru, just this morning. And you know what? They had to pay some money when they got here. They said they didn't have to pay any money in this place. That's why they come to Eagle Pass. But everywhere else on the border, you have to pay money. And if you don't pay the money, the cartel is going to kill you. If you try to get through or they're going to stop you, they're going to repeatedly violate the women. We always hear about the women being violent. That's true. They get raped a lot.
The Whitmer Kidnapping Defendant Who Was Trapped by the FBI
"The indefatigable Julie Kelly has tracked down one of the Whitmer kidnapping defendants. This is the guy who got off. He was exonerated because the jury realized that he had been entrapped by the FBI and Julie has an exclusive interview with this guy. His name is Brandon casar down. But and he's gone through a horrible two year ordeal. Involving losing his job involving incarceration. Of course, the familiar FBI raid, the kind of massive demonstration of power almost a shock and awe type of campaign. So Julie gives a little bit of background. She says that this fellow Brandon cassata was charged along with other defendants, 5 defendants, Adam Fox, Thai garden, Caleb Franks Barry Croft, and a guy named Daniel Harris. These are the people who were charged. Now, what the interview reveals is the sort of naivete of these guys and how they were targets of the FBI from the beginning. And by the beginning, I mean, before the plot was even hatched. That's what's so telling about it. So here's talking now to Julie. And he says, you know, I was kind of locked down under a COVID court. I was stuck in my apartment with most of my family out of state. I was just trying to find people to network with. So this is the COVID frustration and the anger, by the way, at the left and imposing these lockdowns, interestingly, that was a factor here in what got these guys to demonize Whitmer and think, oh yeah, it'd be kind of cool if we so these are big talkers, these are guys who buy and large have difficult lives with not a whole lot going on and they're looking for other like minded people who give them a sense of camaraderie. So what happens is this fellow brand in Casa goes online and in June, a leader of a group called the Wolverine Watchmen, a self styled kind of militia group, basically tells casar that they are inviting him to firearms training in Michigan. Firearm streams. This guy's like, yeah, in lockdown, I wanna get out of the house. Little does he know that this being organized by not a guy named quote big Dan. And guess who big Dan is? An FBI informant. He is in a sense cooking up the plot.
38 rescued, 11 dead as US searches waters near Puerto Rico
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Cardinal: Pope OK'd spending 1M euros to free kidnapped nun
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Brave Republicans Confront DOJ About Whitmer 'Entrapment'
"A handful of Intrepid Republicans, and it's, it shouldn't be a handful. It should be the Republicans in a unified political phalanx. But no, it takes the brave ones to go out front. And here I'm talking about, I'm gonna name them. It's led by Marjorie Taylor Greene, but you've got Scott Perry, Dan bishop, Andrew Clyde, Andy Biggs, bob good, Mary Miller, Paul gosar, Andy Harris, Louie gohmert, Thomas massie Matt Gaetz, well, what are they doing? In the aftermath of the exoneration of two key defendants in the Whitmer kidnapping trial, the pressing attorney general Garland for some specific answers. Now, trying to get answers out of Garland is not an easy business. This is like going to the consigliere of Don Corleone and saying, hey, listen, we're we want to find out more about the mafia. You're actually talking to the mafia. But nevertheless, this needs to be done. And so this is a stinging letter and a demand. Of Merrick Garland copied a Christopher wray, and the questions themselves are telling, let me just read a couple of them. Who within the DoJ and the FBI knew about or was involved in the plot to kidnap governor Whitmer, tell us. Remember, this is a letter being sent by the legislators to the executive branch, which is accountable to the legislative branch. Number two, to what extent would the DoJ and the FBI motivated by the 2020 presidential election to paint political opponents as domestic terrorists specifically Vis-à-vis the plot to kidnap governor Whitmer and the events of the U.S. capitol on January 6th, 2021. In other words, this is not just at the FBI staging orchestrating infiltrating and moving along a plot. This is the FBI timing those events to coincide with an election. So the issue here being raised is the election interference, very important issue because these revelations came to light in early October of 2020.
"kidnapping" Discussed on Shitz Grim
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"kidnapping" Discussed on Shitz Grim
"His mother was actually, she gave a little quote about, you know, how she felt about this guy. Getting released. And Michael himself, I'm actually trying to look for his quote here, guys. I just have to zoom in a little bit here. Because I'm not going to remember how he said it. So I got to read this little portion out. He's actually quoted saying you can forgive, but you don't have to forget. He goes on to say, I got a spot in my heart to forgive, but I got a spot in my heart that's also ready to come undone too. I really looked up to Larry being able to forgive them. So he's referring back to Larry park, who is the pastor. All right. That takes strength. It does, and it's also connection with God. Michael, it does take strength. Maybe something I would never be able to comprehend or ever be capable of doing. I just can't. Yeah. And if I were in his shoes, I'd feel the same exact way. Yes, you have a piece of your heart where you can forgive, but if there's that other piece where you're like, I'm not going to fucking forget it. Exactly. But prosecutors said that Woods had disciplinary infractions in prison. And because of this he had not learned to follow the rules. However, Woods defense attorney Dominique Bono's rebutted with Woods discipline free record, since his last parole hearing, in October of 2019. Now fast forward to 2022 at the age of 70, Woods is now free. Now what of hero Ed Rey? Sadly, Ed re passed away in 2012 at the age of 91. At ray was so loved, many of the school children with him on that horrific day came to see him the last days leading to his passing to say goodbye. And ray passed away may 17th, 2012 in chowchilla. Which now the city honors him with a park named after him. Edward ray park. And it spans over 27.4 acres in a residential community. At ray was clearly respected and loved. Yeah, Kelly definitely did right by Ed right here, guys. And so awesome that you guys, you know, that community out there, you know, one out of the way to actually bestow this upon him out of respect. And that is something beautiful to see. Yeah. For sure. You know, and just so you listeners are aware there was a special Don called nightmare in Coachella. Oh, the school bus kidnapping. It is on Fox News podcast. So if you're up for it or if you're interested in hearing more, head on over there and give it a listen. But you can also take a look at our show notes where we will actually leave a few links for you guys to read at your leisure. And guys, I mean, that's it for this episode. We really hope you enjoyed it. As for our grim writing, what would you place on this one Eli? Jesse, I would actually put a 20 out of ten. Any fucking sense, were you? Yeah, the reason being, of course, I'm being exaggerated here. But it truly is a good story. I know it doesn't make sense, but you know what that rating, but it's the first episode we have had that actually ends somewhat on a good note. Never mind the filth that was released into society again..
"kidnapping" Discussed on Shitz Grim
"Or in their youth who have then served a long prison term and are now elderly. Okay? So they got to get special consideration for that. I guess that there is is because they were so fucked and young, they didn't know what the hell we were doing. I'm sorry. You're 24 fucking years old. Okay? What the fuck you were doing? Exactly. It's not like you were 15 year old kid. Yeah, you should still somewhat know, but your dumb ass 15 year old kid. You're a 24 year old man. I call bullshit. Yeah. Complete bullshit. Okay. And like I said, the reason I'm not for this is because the trauma. Okay? Number one, it's the trauma that they put on these kids. That is something that lasts with them for life. It affected each one differently. And the fact that they sat here and they created a fucking lull that's going to minimize sentencing. Okay, what about these people with these survivors? I feel like it's a slap in the face to them. Complete slop. So they get to live with this trauma, the rest of their lives. And so they take their last breath. But these assholes get to have a minimize sentencing and get to come up for parole. Bullshit. That is a fucked up judicial system right there. I agree. But it's California. No offense. Sorry. I love California. It's beautiful, but that judicial system right there when you were talking about people harm children, there is no sympathy. I gave no sympathy period guys. I can't stress that any further. But there are, of course, a few survivors who were also against Woods pearl guys. You have Jennifer Brown Hyde, who we previously mentioned, she opposed Woods parole. She said that, you know, he didn't make any complete amendments, you know, for the crime. He never meant it to it. And there was others also opposing Woods parole. Yeah, it survivor, Linda, Correa, you had Laura yazi, yazi fanning, excuse me. And you had a Carol Marshall, which is the mother of survival Michael Marshall, the young fortune year old man who assisted in helping all these young children flee. All right..
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"But you wouldn't think he would have this kind of access to the outside of the world. I mean, he should at least have that shutdown. I mean, if he's got this much to dish out. I mean, he should be giving some of that money. We're going to get to that in just a bit though. Now, in 2016, Woods use his trust fund to settle a civil suit with the chowchilla survivors. There you have it. Many of whom have post traumatic stress disorder. Of course. Now, one core filing estimated his trust fund was valued at over a $100 million. But of course, wood's lawyers also dispute this. Of course, there's always you can't have you can't really sit out there and put down exactly how much this guy's got, then there's a price on the side. But yeah. Yeah, and then one of the survivors, of course, had some choice words about this settlement. That's quoted saying he could have done much more, said survivor, Jennifer Brown Hyde, who told The Associated Press. Even the settlement paid to some of us survivors was not sufficient. It was not enough to pay for some therapy. I mean, it wasn't enough to pay for some therapy. I'm sorry, but not even enough to buy a home. Okay, mind you, this guy has a freaking mansion and these people couldn't even buy a house. It's a 100 and a $1 million split. Yeah. And that's amongst what? 26 kids. Never mind the school bus driver. I mean, think about the kids, for example, you know, I'm sure the school bus driver was traumatized who wouldn't be in the situation, but you're an adult. You can handle that a little bit, yeah. You're talking about children here, right? So I mean, you're looking at a $100 million split amongst 26. That's over well over three milli pop. Yeah. And they couldn't have split that shit out. Yeah. I mean, come on. It's just upsetting. But up until recently, her trauma actually lasted for so long that Jennifer still slept with a night light. Imagine that she's a grown woman and she's still sleeping with a night light because.
"kidnapping" Discussed on Shitz Grim
"Once a kidnappers were taking into custody, they of course went through the court processes. They pled guilty to the kidnapping for ransom and robbery. And were eventually sentenced to life with the possibility of parole. Okay? Shit. It should have been with out the possibility of parole. No, but in the 1980s, as luck would have it. Gavin Newsom's father, the late judge, William newson, reduced the three kidnappers life sentences so that that way their chance of getting parole was sooner was made possible sooner. So, by 2012, Richard schoenfeld was released by an appeals court order. And then by 2015, Richard's brother, James was also paroled by then governor Jerry Brown. But not Fred wood no, not just yet. Yeah. Fred wood took a lot longer to get parole guys. But he eventually was. Interestingly, Fred would manage to continue somewhat living a normal lifestyle. Even while in prison, he probably was saying, how the fuck is he living in normal lifestyle in prison? Yeah. What connections do you got? Exactly. And it's not like it can't happen, guys. Especially when you come from money. You can live a pretty damn decent lifestyle hell. Foreign countries out there, you take a look at their jail cells. Oh yeah. And these guys are living a nice freaking lifestyle. I get nice big ass TVs in there. They're chilling, you know? They're having fun even prison. Yeah. So, I mean, shit. Well, I don't care. For room and board. Yeah, you're not scared to go to prison when you have something like that. Obviously here in the states, we have things a little bit differently, but still if you got the money, yeah, you're gonna get pampered and we're treated really well, you know? If some people like to make money on the side guys, so but anyways, it's like I was saying. This guy's story is like that of a movie. It's like something out of Goodfellas, where these guys live it up nicely in prison. Remember those scenes would fill us where they're sitting there, they're making pasta and they're dancing, not dancing. You know, listen to music and they're talking shit and having a good time. Exactly. Well, and Fred.
"kidnapping" Discussed on Shitz Grim
"Decisions needed to be made and fast. Now thankfully, the children were not alone. They had their amazing school bus driver with them and 14 year old Michael Marshall. Yeah, and ray and Michael took the mattresses and whatever else they could find. Within that trailer and they piled it up so that they can reach the top of the trailer. So mind you, they're most likely going through where this air ventilation tubing is at. But there was a cover that was blocking their way out, which was way down with two 100 pound industrial batteries. If any of you have ever had the pleasure of lifting a core battery, then that in itself is very, very heavy. Not extremely heavy. I'm not trying to exaggerate that, but it is a heavy item to pick up. I've had the pleasure of lifting these massive 100 pound batteries when I was once a mechanic, you know, when you work on these industrial equipment, even big rigs for that matter. And it's not fun. They're heaviest hell. But imagine being in a position that you have to push the batteries. Not pick up. Push the batteries. Again, approximately 200 pounds all together. All right, and you're a 14 year old kid. That alone is tough, even for an adult. Thankfully, Michael Marshall and Ed Rey were able to do this together, and they managed to dig themselves out from the hole. Now once out, Michael was greeted by surprise workers who were at the query imagine that. Magic picture, these kids are the climbing out on the goddamn ground and these workers are like, what the fuck's going on here? What the hell is this? You know what? It was under the nose. Yeah. And it is said that the total amount of terror these kids and Ed Rey and dirt were over 28 hours. So imagine no one knew that this bus was buried..
"kidnapping" Discussed on Shitz Grim
"They're thinking this through. They already have another backup van. Yeah. Waiting for them. Yeah. You know, so it's like, where are you up to your guys? Now, both of these vans were crafted to mobile prison cells for the children. And the school bus driver, of course. The van's windows were completely blocked out, with reinforced interior panels, which actually served as jail cells for all the passengers are going to be getting loaded into this van. All the children, including ray, Ed ray, that's the school bus driver. We're forced into both vans. And they were actually forced to jump from the bus into the vans, so as to not leave any footprints behind. So they were thinking this through. They didn't want to get caught that fast. Of course. You know? So there was a little to no air ventilation or even water for that matter. Inside these fans. And these are like these if they had Connor lines. Something like that. It's like cargo vans. And the children and the bus driver were then driven around in the sweltering California heat so imagine. It's blazing hot out there. And this is in July when this is happening. And at 4 p.m.. Right, sun's still odd. It's beating down. So the sun was of course burning extremely hot. Now factor that in with a van that had a little ventilation. These poor kids were literally frying in there. The then drove around for about 11 to 12 hours until they reached their destination. Imagine that. And that destination being a rock quarry, which was over a hundred miles from chowchilla, and it was located in Livermore, California. Imagine that. So they're driving around for 11 to 12 hours. These kids 12 hours. These kids plus the school bus driver, their sense of direction is completely thrown off. And on top of that, there are a hundred miles from the.
"kidnapping" Discussed on Shitz Grim
"Hello to all you grim aficionados and thanks for tuning in. We hope you enjoyed this week's segment. If you are tuning in for the first time, we discuss everything from true crime, mystery, and haunted tales. This is where shit gets grip. So we're your host. I'm Eli. And I'm Jessie. There you go, are you grim aficionados? And welcome back to another schitt's grim episode. And today's episode, I believe, only reinforces our loss episodes reasoning. As to why we don't really care much for school buses. Yes, seriously. This story we're about to discuss in our opinion as parents is a horrific experience. That no parent should ever have to go through. Especially any child. In our last episode, where we covered the Jimmy rice story, we discussed how Jimmy got off a school bus with a group of children. And while we do believe in safety in numbers, that of course was not the case for Jimmy. He, of course, was abducted, as you all are aware. And during our episode we discussed how much Eli and I are not too fond of school buses. At least for our kids riding the bus alone. We even discussed how children from our area actually walk alone in the road to the school bus or home, and these are small kids. I mean, we're talking about 6 to ten year olds walking with their older brothers or sisters who are in the same age category. Not teenagers, not that that would be any better, but I mean, at least a teenager would be able to put up some resistance or have the practical knowledge to try and run when encountering a stranger. You would think so, right? I mean, it's a tragic situation to think of for any parent that is. So that's why we're so firm on our position to not let our kids use or get on a bus that is. Unless it's a field trip and where they're with them, of course, one of us at least. If you have been checked out or Jimmy rice episode, please go on over and give it a listen, guys, I think you might enjoy hearing it and everything that actually transpired during that case. Now, without further delay, let's jump into this episode called the chow chilla kidnapping. And this episode actually comes recommended from a listener and my friend Jessica. So thank you so much for following and recommending an amazing story. And we honestly, we've never heard of it. Yeah, never have we ever heard of this one..
Julie Kelly on the Government's Humiliation in the Whitmer Case
"And she's Julie Kelly, senior contributor for American greatness dot com and greatness dot com, Julie. Welcome back to our new America first studio. Well deserved fancy digs there, Seb. Well, thank you. I don't know about that. We've been working in the salt mines for three years now. So this is our reward, I guess. So you, on the other hand, have been working like a single handed news agency when it comes to January the 6th. We'll put up on the screen right now. The two books that you've already written, this loyal opposition on the never Trump movement, and then now most recently, January 6th, let's show that book, Eric, how Democrats use the capital protest to launch a war on terror against the political right. For those people who outrageously missed our discussion on newsmax just yesterday, let me start with the question I asked you there with the collapse of the whitler quote unquote fed mapping trial, which you introduced me to that phrase. And with an acquittal of Matthew Martin from the January 6th quote unquote, insurrection or fed direction, I don't want to count our chickens before they're hatched, but are we potentially seeing a chink in the armor of the political exploitation and weaponization of the federal law enforcement and Department of Justice Julie? Well, let's hope so. I mean, the verdict's in the Whitmer fed napping trial were stunning. I mean, you really can't overstate what a huge defeat this was for the Justice Department and certainly for the FBI. You had a three week trial, most of the witnesses for the government were FBI agents undercover agents, experts, the lead informant. And this whole case was built around the idea that these men got together plotted to kidnap and kill Gretchen Whitmer in the fall of 2020. But what the defense put together over a series of months in numerous court motions was a very compelling and ultimately convincing case of FBI entrapment. That was their argument that was their defense solely rested on the fact that the FBI attempted to induce these men who otherwise would not have tried to commit any of these crimes, induce them into this plot. That is what the jury concluded. They equated two men outright and the other two men, including the alleged ring leader, the jury could not come to any conclusion was hung jury, the judge declared a mistrial. And the Justice Department learning nothing apparently is planning to retrial retry Adam Fox and Barry cross
Julie Kelly: An Update on Alleged Kidnapping Case of Gov. Whitmer
"This Michigan alleged kidnapping plot Julie the trial could not have gotten any worse for the FBI which has had I think it's an understatement to say really bad 5 years Give us a summary what happened Why did the case fall apart And what happens going forward Are they going to try to retry any of them So this was of course the plot to kidnap and kill Gretchen Whitmer a case that made wall to wall national headlines as people were voting in the 2020 election the arrests were made in October 2020 Was revealed through these defense attorneys 6 men were arrested charged on federal counts of conspiring to kidnap and also use a weapon of mass destruction But what defense attorneys uncovered months of filing motion detailing very compelling case of FBI entrapment You had at least a dozen undercover agents and informants working out as numerous FBI field offices across several states who can cause this plot to stitch these men together who did not know each other prior to the FBI's involvement Which them together induced them into attempting to commit this crime at the end of the day during western Michigan rejected the government's case not a single conviction to men were completely acquitted And two men remain in jail this DoJ amazingly is trying to is planning to retry both of these defendants after the jury came back as a hungry on that recounts for those two men
The Governor Whitmer Entrapment Scheme Is the Stuff of Fiction
"Let's talk about some important stuff here with Julie Kelly, who is one of the great Americans who has taken it upon herself to cover the abuses of power by the deep state by the left by the Biden administration and the DoJ. And Julie, I hate to have a slightly positive attitude, but we got good news on Friday in that insane and trapped scheme that they did with the governor Whitmer attempt non kidnapping. Tell us about what happened. Jim, I say often that if you had the greatest fiction writer in the world, you could not have this person author a crazier story. That would happen. The various characters, including just low life FBI agents and informants who entrapped these several kind of sad misfits in a way, and other innocent men were given into the spot so they could produce the FBI once again interfere in a presidential election. We saw a certain negative headlines for Donald Trump as millions of Americans were voting for president in October of 2020.
Biden Department of Justice Suffers Stunning Defeat
"In a stunning defeat for the Biden Justice Department, a jury has acquitted two men, accused of conspiring to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer in the fall of 2020. The jury also deadlocked on a verdict for two other defendants, which meant a hung jury, a mistrial. So another way to put it is the DoJ in one of the most high profile terrorism cases. In which they put enormous resources, they could not convict a single defendant.
Right Scoop: Zero Guilty Verdicts Found in Whitmer Kidnapping Case
"It's our friend who writes scoop points out Zero guilty verdicts found at Whitmer kidnapping case The jury rendered verdicts today in the Whitmer kidnapping case against four men who were accused of trying to kidnap the Michigan governor Remember how that was exploited by the media the Washington compost the New York slimes the Trump haters Trump was behind this Trump and his supporters That's right No the FBI was behind it And their supporters So what did this federal grand jury find No guilty verdicts Two of the men were pronounced not guilty In a mistrial was declared for the other two and of course the U.S. attorney's office immediately said and we're going to go after those two again I'll tell you what Here's CNN a federal jury on Friday That would be today I found too many accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer not guilty of kidnapping conspiracy a mistrial was declared for two other defendants Adam Fox Barry Croft Daniel Harris and Brandon faced federal charges for allegedly conspiring to kidnap the democratic governor Harrison Concerta were found not guilty of kidnapping conspiracy The jury also found Harris not guilty in other charges The jury couldn't reach a verdict for Fox and Croft after which U.S. district judge Robert jonker declared a mistrial for those defendants all four defendants who pleaded not guilty Faced up to life in prison if convicted of kidnapping conspiracy
Gretchen Whitmer Kidnap Plot: 2 Men Acquitted, Hung Jury for 2 More
"And we are bringing you breaking news folks from The Associated Press, breaking jurors acquitted two defendants of conspiracy to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer in 2020, but couldn't agree on a verdict for two others. That means a hung jury for you people who are not in the court thing and guys, I have got this is a service we provide for you. Who is the best reporter on these legal issues right now? It is our friend from American greatness, Julie Kelly. I've got her on the line, Julie, break down what happened with his shocking and just verdict. So after 18 months of putting this case together, arresting these innocent men in October of 2020 to coincide with the election produced more bad headlines for Donald Trump, 18 months of putting this case together, numerous FBI field offices involved ruling by this judge who I really liked and did a great job, but nonetheless gave really the government everything that it wanted in terms of not presenting a lot of evidence about the eye correction to this jury. Nonetheless, DoJ walks away today with not a single conviction on four men charged with conspiracy kidnap Gretchen scratching Whitmer and conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, a firework with some pennies tape to it if you believe it. Two men are acquitted two men hung jury the deadlocked on their guilt or innocence. Now, Julie, was it deadlocked on all the counts or were they acquitted on some? The two men Daniel Harrison Brandon Concerta worked on all charges, the other two matched Adam Fox two with the alleged ringleader and Barry cross junior, the jury dead last on every count with them as
Jurors Begin Deliberating Case of Alleged Plot to Kidnap Gov. Whitmer
"The Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping trial is concluded. The case is not before the jury that could be a verdict today tomorrow any time soon. And the real issue is what will the jury find? Will they find these defendants guilty for participating in the kidnapping scheme or will the defense prevail? As I hope it does, that these guys were entrapped by the FBI. Now, it's not very easy to prove entrapment. I was listening to a judge jonker, basically give jury instructions, and he spelled out what you need to prove in order to show entrapment. I'm going to read what you need to prove. A defendant is entitled to an entrapment instruction. If there is sufficient evidence from which a reasonable jury could find entrapment. The defense of entrapment has two elements. One, government inducement of the crime and two a defendant's lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal activity. So in order to warrant an entrapment, a defendant must come forward with evidence of support both elements. So in other words, he has to show that the government did indeed induce the crime and second that the defendant or defends themselves would not have gone ahead on their own. Now, Adam Fox, the guy who was supposedly led this plot. This guy is a broke, emotionally vulnerable addict. Who was apparently looking for company and looking for people who would affirm him and looking for people that he could sort of call Friends. And he ran into this guy named big Dan, a big Dan, he didn't know. This guy was a one time Wolverine watchman, a kind of a militia guy, but it turns out he had become an undercover informant for the FBI.
Jurors to weigh conspiracy charges in alleged Whitmer plot
"A a a a Michigan Michigan Michigan Michigan jury jury jury jury begins begins begins begins deliberations deliberations deliberations deliberations in in in in the the the the trial trial trial trial of of of of four four four four men men men men accused accused accused accused of of of of designing designing designing designing a a a a plan plan plan plan to to to to kidnap kidnap kidnap kidnap governor governor governor governor Gretchen Gretchen Gretchen Gretchen Whitmer Whitmer Whitmer Whitmer the the the the men men men men are are are are charged charged charged charged with with with with conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy to to to to other other other other defendants defendants defendants defendants pleaded pleaded pleaded pleaded guilty guilty guilty guilty and and and and testified testified testified testified against against against against them them them them saying saying saying saying they they they they wanted wanted wanted wanted to to to to get get get get the the the the democratic democratic democratic democratic governor governor governor governor before before before before the the the the twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty twenty election election election election to to to to create create create create chaos chaos chaos chaos for for for for a a a a civil civil civil civil war war war war to to to to stop stop stop stop Joe Joe Joe Joe Biden Biden Biden Biden from from from from winning winning winning winning jurors jurors jurors jurors were were were were told told told told they they they they could could could could convict convict convict convict it it it it they they they they find find find find there there there there was was was was a a a a mutual mutual mutual mutual understanding understanding understanding understanding to to to to get get get get Witmer Witmer Witmer Witmer even even even even if if if if the the the the goal goal goal goal was was was was not not not not met met met met defense defense defense defense attorneys attorneys attorneys attorneys argued argued argued argued the the the the group group group group was was was was manipulated manipulated manipulated manipulated by by by by an an an an informant informant informant informant who who who who was was was was taking taking taking taking direction direction direction direction from from from from the the the the FBI FBI FBI FBI I'm I'm I'm I'm Julie Julie Julie Julie Walker Walker Walker Walker
Ukraine says it's running 3 evacuation routes
"The Ukrainian government says its operating three humanitarian corridors to move civilians out of the besieged port of Mariupol the deputy prime minister says that besides my you poll evacuations will run from two Russian occupied cities in the south both cities have been under Russian control for weeks and have seen protests and alleged kidnappings of pro Ukraine at local politicians the roots all converge in the Ukraine controlled southern Fulton Seppo Reza Russia has been operating its own evacuation routes which Ukraine alleges a cover the full speed deporting Ukrainian civilians to Russia Ukraine and Russia have both accused each other of obstructing evacuations I'm Charles de Ledesma
Informant back for testimony in Michigan governor plot trial
"An FBI informant to testify against four men accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan's governor is back on the witness stand today defense attorneys are alleging informants and agents are at fault for influencing the four defendants pushing them into the plot to kidnap Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer in twenty twenty they say it was just some guys angry over coated restrictions but former army veteran turned FBI operative Jan Chappell testified Friday there were months of plotting in training to see if the group could pull off an abduction from governor Whitmer is vacation home in northern Michigan including plans to blow up a nearby bridge as a distraction chapel made hours of secret recordings of the defendants but defense lawyers will look for holes in his testimony two other defendants pleaded guilty and are cooperating with the government I'm Jackie Quinn
Melitopol residents demand release of their mayor
"Surveillance video has shown the mayor of a town in southeastern Ukraine being marched down to city hall apparently surrounded by Russian soldiers Melitopol residents took to the streets to demand the release of man even further of Ukrainian president Clinton is and then ski accuses Russert kidnapping the man they have transitioned into a new stage of terra in which low trying to physically liquidate recommenced his thirteenth before the invasion the Biden administration had warned of Russian plans to detain and kill targeted people in Ukraine with the Lenski himself likely top targets Keefe mana Batali Klitschko also likened Russia's actions to that of a terrorist organization this is an act of terrorism Russia is trying to destroy the legally elected power in Ukraine which protects the interests of peaceful residents line Karen Thomas
"kidnapping" Discussed on Chats With Cats Podcast
"Or we'd shit like that. Apparently they got there about six. Pm at the camp saw and what the kids down but the kid was saying on cctv. So she's definitely there or the voice of her was heard they've gone to sleep. And at one thirty the gill that got snatch woke up and said to a mom. Can i get some water. She's given her the water. Put back down to sleep and at six thirty in the morning. The mums working up and she's gone. And what the police have said is the zipper on. The tent was high enough for to make it impossible for her to have done it and put it back up to where it was so someone are. The parents or another adult had to have done that zipper. But they've root out parents saw it leaves some unto have seen her at camp campsite which is semi busy for where is in the middle of nowhere to have seen going to know. I'm coming back but the thing is being that they would have had to park their car. Probably like eight hundred down the road so no one heard it going on foot undone zipper without waking. the parents. got the kid without making noise. Done the sepa back up and lift. Its just we is so fucking h man and why would you fuck into sheet me away. The parents someone someone fucking was the point. I don't know why would you mean in the worst like my breaking thing you could ever go through as a parent to then throw fucking accusations them as all. Why would you put her there. Wa- do this Excuse me what would the fucking shit go and take heed. Yeah it's seek sleeping in a tent. It's fucking seek luck. Imagine what you call the cops and you waiting for putting out a land risky looking square kilometers. You can't and this is by the by the way forever on. That doesn't so i haven't found her in ten days and they've pretty much said it's one hundred percent adult has taken a. What do you do as a parent. You fucking freak out and just be like it's the tendai. Mock ruined isn't it. The tendai mark marks the spot where you guide the likelihood. Her being found alive is next to nothing oregon in something. A lot of people agree with you. It's it's bad. I actually got some stats for this. Look at this hour to augusta guess. How many missing kids do you think. Go missing in america a year or so. The missing kids go missing. The missing is not the kids that music. Okay oregon. it'd be in the thousands. I'd say five thousand always thinking three thousand three thousand in the usa. Okay well it's actually four hundred sixty thousand kids a year okay so we were closed pretty close. The uk is one hundred twenty thousand and twenty thousand kids under the age of eighteen in australia. Go mixing okay. Do you may missing missing kit. Runaways comeback runaways as not not necessarily just kidnapped missing now every ten thousand kids that go missing one is found dead. Which is a pretty good statistic early right statistic. Only one is founded now. Here's another thing that fucking blew my mind. What do you think is. This isn't just kids every age. What do you think is the kidnapping capital of the world manga. Sage hunters that's probably not bad. I would have thought that too. I would have thought that off philippines but it's not it's not it's new zealand what yeah new zealand have capital a percentage because they've got population canceling holiday. It is actually one point. Five cases per one hundred thousand residents as of twenty eighteen fucking go new zealand unless you wanna get kidnapped so another thing. I'm gonna sit down..
"kidnapping" Discussed on Scene Of the Crime
"Stupid person and reporters. Everybody is dislike feeling so bad for margaritas is like she's it. She's such a pitiable character at this point. But what are you do. They find her guilty and gave her twenty years in work farm in kansas. But she's like i'm gonna. I'm counting the days. Till i can see my husband harmon my true love when he gets out of prison. I'll be waiting for him that lasted one day. As she's being transferred across the country he goes on the record. Saying that jerk. I'm going to jail because they him swearing off him and all men for the rest of my life. The day she got released prison she divorced. I just wonder if they were just again. She's just upon and all of these games. Like i'm wondering why would he let her plead guilty. I mean that would save taxpayers. So much money. I think they wanted to have this salacious trial and like to showcase the g. men and the you know all their other good efforts which they did do a great job it sounds like but i mean it just seems like she is just like the kick dog here. Yeah that's true. Well margaret and harmon were on trial but bill was still at large and he was able to escape capture for as long as he was because he realized he wouldn't be able to just go out and spend the ransom money. He would have to be a little smarter than his friends. If you didn't want to get caught. He tried to change the serial numbers on those bills on may sixth the nineteen thirty six almost exactly one year after the kidnapping employees at two different banks in los angeles reported to the fbi that someone had been trying to exchange bills that looked like they'd been altered because the bank teller had taken down the number from the man's license which he used as identification when he was trying to make that exchange. The feds were able to track him down at a house outside san francisco when they arrested and they found he had over thirty seven thousand dollars of the ransom money on him and they later found another fourteen thousand dollars that he he'd buried somewhere in utah. Bill man pled guilty and was sentenced to sixty years in prison. He was sent to mcneil island and later transferred to a penitentiary in leavenworth. Kansas where they determined he was insane and they recommended he be confined to a hospital instead. So it sounds like bill may may have been a sociopath ya and then driven even more insane to have like thousands and thousands of dollars that are literally worthless as for little george. He went on to become the chairman of the board for the warehouse or company but he worked hard to earn that seat. He actually started out working as a logger than later at pulp mill. He was a member of the logging. Union and for several years was the branch manager for the company's operation in oregon. Eventually he would be named ceo and spent twenty five years leading the fortune. Five hundred company and more. Recently he sat down with our author friend for a rare one on one interview about his kidnapping. Now we're gonna fast for twenty five years or something like that. George weyerhaeuser's now in his thirties. And he's i think three years before he's going to become the president of the corporation and he gets a phone call and on. The phone is arm. Ueli is all kidnapper staying. George and just got up resin after twenty five years. Lancashire used job and george thailand. And i asked george. Why did you do that. I would you hire your kidnapper news. Well equity helped. When i was being kidnapped mayhem scared. Me and i never saw margaret. Never saw her once but harmon. He was a reasonable guy. You know he treat me poorly. He was a reasonable guy. And when i talked to him on the phone he still sounded like a reasonable guy. I thought what the heck i thought. Maybe it appreciate it. So i higher. I talk about the victim turning into the hero of the story. I know that's what i said earlier but also talk about how forgiveness really set you free and people who get really angry and hold onto the anger you know i mean i. I have a hard time with this myself. But like but i feel like he could have forgiven him without hiring him right but i mean it just shows i mean he had me with the two little mice where he was like wasn't here to take care of you. I mean he's obviously a caretaker and he's plucky and he's you know you know resilient. Yeah so it doesn't surprise me. It's just a really nice twist because a lot of our stories don't feature this so it's really nice so george. Weyerhaeuser was in his nineties when this interview took place his memory was a little bit spotty but he did talk about the kidnapping and brian shared. Some of the audio with us doesn't occur to me that i was in jeopardy. I was chained out in the woods but it had wrap up. that was all's well that ends. Well i always felt of my all people in the world. Come my mom and dad feel still louis. What happened to them so he doesn't really feel badly about having to spend a couple of nights in a hole in the ground in the cold the dark in the woods but he feels bad that his parents were worried about him as a parent and as a child. Now a dull. Obviously i get that. I mean as parents you know we all know and i'm sure they probably knew back in the day like You don't find him within the first forty eight hours. You know the the likelihood of finding them it goes down fifty percent. The lindbergh baby probably was weighing heavily on on their minds. The dad was like going on his own to get his son. And he's like this multi millionaire and could have paid someone else to do it but he chose to do it and getting those strings with the tin cans or whatever that whole like right. I mean it must have been so like. I can't even imagine as apparent with that would be like going through. But it's great that he recognizes. You know what that was like for them. Yeah and he says when he was dropped off in the woods with just a blanket and a dollar bill. He wasn't really scared or upset. I was left out on the road with a blanket. What the hell can't be. They gave them a blanket. They can't be all bad. I mean that is just the epitome of optimism. If i've ever heard it. George not only led the warehouse company for decades. He was also on the boards. Of many others including boeing and chevron he married and raised two sons and four daughters he also loved to garden to play tennis and go duck hunting in a recent biography. He said he feels very fortunate to have spent his life in the pacific northwest and didn't even include a caveat that he was happy to be here despite being kidnapped and lift out in the woods but doesn't surprise me but i think we have to just give tons of kudos to author brian johnston with his book deep in the woods. And for sharing that audio. It's so nice to hear georgia's voice. I mean he sounds so strong ninety years old and it's sounds like he's had an incredible incredible life so i just want to give a quick shout out to those of you that have left ratings and reviews for the podcast. That really helps us out a lot There's there's one that was just left recently by p. And w lifer and i just want to read that off because it was just very sweet. She says as a pacific northwest. Lifer i find this podcast so interesting. The peon w crimes murders are typically about ted bundy and the green river killer. Ben there done that in this podcast. The hosts cover cases that are unknown. For example the arcane umn series was absolutely tragic and fascinating the delivery of the story is clear and factual. And i love kim. Sidebar comments peppered throughout thanks ladies so thank upn. W lifer we really appreciate that. It definitely helps for other people to find our podcast when you leave a rating and review and we also got a text from one of our former co workers and she loved the podcast and she mentioned the arcane umn series and her friend is going through a real sounds like hardcore medical issue that required a lot of being at home and listening to podcasts. Recovery and She said that our podcast in that series helped her through that really really difficult time and so when we get these messages not just about like a rate us review.
"kidnapping" Discussed on Scene Of the Crime
"Love that newsreel as soon as it played. You're like like changes i. It's such a different time. And it's what a gem. And that's what i love about these historical cases that you go back in time and it's such a different place now but it's kind of ironic if you look up the top true crimes in the pacific northwest. Which of course when you're doing podcasts. Right in the pacific northwest. We've look those up but this case will most likely be there and yet many people they just don't even even older generations. I was talking to my mom. She was like what what case was that like. They don't they haven't heard of the weyerhaeuser kidnapping so this is going to be really enlightening and really fun. A really interesting case the kidnapping of george weyerhaeuser as you said. It's one of the most famous true crime stories to come out of the pacific northwest. But a lot of people don't know the highlights and all the twists and turns that we're going to hear about that makes such a crazy story local author brian. Johnston says when he went to research the case for his book deep in the woods he received thousands of pages of documents from the fbi and discovered it was one of the most fascinating stories he'd ever stumbled across. I just kept stumbling across these amazing little tidbits. When i was doing the research. I kept running upstairs to my wife's and you can't believe what i learned so before we get into the details of the case a little bit of a history lesson here. This happened in may of nineteen thirty five and times. Were tough the country was just starting to recover from the great depression. And lots of folks. Were still languishing in severe poverty at the same time. You started to see the rise of some of america's wealthiest families like the getty family who made their money in oil howard hughes and his family who made their money in the fledgling aerospace industry and the words family which started out in real estate. They went onto sports franchises. The warehouse our family was deeply invested in the timber industry and to this day there company owns about four percent of all the land in the state of washington so in the thirties. You've got this growing gap between the very rich and the very poor and brian says that made kidnapping for ransom and appealing way for criminals to make a little cash. This is only two years. After the lindbergh kidnapping and jaeger hoover had just really kind of kicked off the fbi because back in the twenties remedies kind of ran the show. You know in the early thirties. This is when bonnie and clyde in the carpet gang and mob parker in pretty boy. Floyd machine gun kelly. All those big named brindles were running rampant. It's pretty close to being the golden age of cops and robbers in the northwest. another thing. That was really big. That was going on at the time. There was a huge timber. Strike there were riots. There were national guardsmen with bayonets on street corners. Keeping people at bay there was all sorts of smoke grenades and there were buildings are as being dynamited people being shot. It was crazy. It was absolutely crazy. Kim i know in other historical investigations that we've covered like the barefoot. Bandit and the db cooper case. Many of these people are considered kind of heroic. It's actually called the heroic criminal. This especially happens when people feel powerless against corrupt politicians or unjust laws. But at this time you mentioned earlier the f. b. i. n. g. men that began to kind of change because of all the that mob violence he was talking about getting out of hand and people were done with that whole heroic criminal state of mind. I think and i. I think it doesn't help that. They started kidnapping kids. Exactly and the other thing. I think is funny as they all. Have these really cool names back when people didn't think of them so much criminals but as heroin criminals. You got machine gun. Kelly sounds like when they get a cool name. They're less vilnai's. And i think it's the story the story that you know back in the day when there's the magazine articles and there's the detective novels and so it's all kind of a part of that Romanticizing yay and many of these people were just awful. Awful awful people right well. The timber strike of nineteen thirty five. That he mentioned there was a push for better pay a shorter workweek and union organization for the timber workers at the time about twenty percent of the timber used across. The country came from the pacific northwest and a lot of that came from the weyerhaeuser company so a lot of the vitriol of these protests was aimed at the family as a little surprising to me that in spite of that the family didn't seem too concerned about their own personal safety. They lived in tacoma in a relatively normal neighborhood. Your grandfather lived in this beautiful beautiful home. Atalay fall that's overlooking. Commencement bay it's light. It looks like a you know. An english tudor mansion scorgeous georgia's family. They lived in nice house. it wasn't an extravagant house. it's sitting up on the hill overlooking commencement bay but it's not a Razi rich mansion type house of course back nineteen thirty five when everybody's making fifteen hundred dollars a year. Yeah it would still be considered really really nice house but warehouses when they moved from lewiston. Idaho just a couple of years before this. They really wanted their kids to be just like everybody else's kids and that's why they let the kids walk to school and walk home from school and occasionally they would send the for oswal. who really wasn't the show for. I think he was like a gardener. Something would just give the kids rides occasionally and so he would pick them up and drive them to school or drive them home. Not all the time sometimes. If on this occasion he was supposed to. But george didn't feel like waiting around for them and we'll get to that we'll get to that he says i love the way he tells a story. We gotta recommend brian's book deep in the woods. yeah. I i think that says a lot about how down to earth the family is or was back then especially when you you juxtapose to these titans of industry who flaunted their wealth yeah these huge mansions and you know. They're they're they're pretty low key terms of like you know extremely affluent people but also shows a lot about the precocious nature of george that he just. He hadn't been coddled. his whole life was like it. Sounds like a pretty normal kid. Considering absolutely one of the things that sticks out for me in brian story is the way that he depicts. The suspects in this case who he describes as two and a half kidnappers got got the mastermind who is a guy by the name of bill. Hand william man alias. William danger and he was kind of career. Bank robber you.
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"Finds the killer. That's very distinctive to true crime. It's also the only non fiction genre which skews female every other nonfiction is a male dominated genre. That is interesting. I need to test it now. Because i work in podcasts. I have demographic data. And i can think of some nonfiction shows that are not true crime and i suspect you're right but i now i want i need to all my classes and troop skew female and like you go to a true crime convention. You know excuse female. Okay thinking about my favorite murder podcast. Right now being. Yeah right yeah and you can multiply. That repeatedly now did we. There was things the two things did. We get both note the second thing about radio the other one of the other great media legacies of the trial comes afterwards that people in the judiciary and the legal profession and the judiciary and newspaper editors really felt that the sensational coverage of the helpmann trial had in some way distorted or besmirched. The course of justice people real. I think most people thought they got the right guy. They got the right sentence. But there was something unseemly about the crowds outside the flemington courthouse. And actually during the jury deliberations they were you know check a few hours and the crop was getting a little unruly and they were screaming. Kill kill kill. The german and a brick allegedly went through the window of the courthouse at one point and it was just seem to to not really reflect the kind of sacred judicial atmosphere that we in america want historically of a criminal case and because of that a couple of years later the american bar association adopted a canon canon thirty five which forbade the use cameras and recording devices in the courtroom and that remained in effect for decades until the late nineteen seventies early eighties. When states and individual judges started allowing cameras into the courtroom. I so if you think of the famous court cases of the sixties most notably say the The the manson murder trial. If your visual memory of those is of illustrations in the courtroom right or the chicago eight trials because you didn't have live of video recording. You didn't have a newspaper cameras as well that starts to change in the nineteen eighties and one of the things i think is kind of interesting is that of course the. Oj case was broadcast live. Because that's the state court in california and they allow cameras into the courtroom and right before the oj case in the years before there are a lot of people in the legal profession in media. Who said there's no reason that you can't telecast the supreme court decisions for example or the supreme court arguing all and cameras really should be federal courtrooms as well but the oj. Case was so sensational. I think generally seen as a kind of not american justice at its best that nobody said that afterwards right there are really in the last twenty five years. There have been no serious arguments to open up the federal judiciary to television cameras. If if the lindbergh kidnapping in case had happened today. How do you think it would have been covered. Oh like a blanket like oj because again the one thing. I think that is unique about this case is the emotional investment. We all had in it. We all knew charles lindbergh. We knew and we knew the baby.
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"His first case is first criminal. Case is cross examining bruno richard. And that's the dramatic moment that we've all been trained from zillions of hollywood movies that we want him to break down on the standing confess he's been kind of very stoic on pleasant kind of arrogant character and we all want to see him. Can it occurs to me too. I wonder what the limbic case what impact it had on the cultural product of of courtroom dramas like there had been some courtroom drama prior to the limerick as but it sounds like it must have had a huge impact on on. How the fictional. Oh yeah we had loved. Courtroom drama sits at least the turn of the century and in fact one of the best reporters on the scene a woman. I really came to love. She was on radio as well reporting for the new york evening. Journal hearst paper who gave to my mind the absolute best day to day coverage of the lindbergh trial is a woman named adela. Rogers st john's her father was earl. Rogers who is kind of the. I don't know clarence darrow. Of his day the best courtroom reporter in in san francisco jennifer in fact. That's where they came from the san francisco examiner being the the hers paper There and adela was a hard-boiled reporter. She had watched her father in action. Since the age of nine she was a real daddy's girl and and dad used to take her to all his cases. She didn't get along with her mother and so she had been in court. You know watching the best guy in the business for fifteen years. And then she goes into journalism and she's a woman so she can play the female angle the way the boys can't did you say that. She appeared on the radio as well as being a print journalist. Yeah that's really interesting so this is You you've been telling us. Thomas dirty a story about the lindbergh baby kidnapping and how what kind of how it played out on radio a new medium in the united states at the time and how newspaper reporters as well as news real news. Real news photo journalists. Were sort of out in front of radio at this moment. But i i it. Of course some of these print journalists are gonna use radio to further for their own reasons. So what what can you us about. Adela rogers saint john how she would use radio or audio she and of course the other big name. There is walter winchell. They're all engaged in now this cross media pollination so wind chill has his syndicated column which is all over america. He has his national broadcast on sunday nights. And he's in the courtroom is well and then he also gets into hollywood rights hollywood scripts and he's Kind of Plays the hollywood angle himself and adela. Rogers saint john same thing. She's a print journalist who that night is on. The nightly radio shows that the new york herald new york evening journal is broadcasting in tune with the trial so when the trial ends they all walk over to a radio transmitter transmission booth and have a postmortem various reporters at. It's very typical. Of what tv does today. The first papers get a cut of this..
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"That's how they get the kidnap murder limburg baby bruno richard hope and in september of nineteen thirty four then into the trial. If you wanna go there jennifer. Let's let's go to the trial because my understanding is that radio. There's certain things that radio wasn't allowed to do and so they they take a very creative approach to how they present the results of the trial. Which sort of reminds me of you know if i think about it modern day. Oh yeah same. Podcast app Or the oj court tv. I mean whatever press or a successor you wanna think about absolutely of course. Radio wants to cover the trial of the century and they figured they could do it fairly unobtrusively. You just put mics into the courtroom and everybody in america would listen because now we have nationwide on. Cbs or nbc of bluer. Red network or the mutual radio network. All of would add to have just one mike there and come to a pool arrangement So radio the radio equipment wouldn't be too obtrusive and disrupt the dignity and decorum of the american a court system. But the governor of new jersey says immediately once the help and his expedited to new jersey. That there'll be no radio allowed into the courtroom so there's no live recording on radio of the courtroom preceding the trial of bruno richard helpmann. Who is this illegal. German immigrant unemployed carpenter. Who's accused of kidnapping the lindbergh baby. And there's a lot of controversy about whether did earn an off. You can go on the web and go all kinds of rabbit holes share. Yeah the web the web right. But i think the consensus opinion and you can always disagree with the consensus is that helpmann committed the crime people who believe that can see that he might have had an accomplice and we've never found out who that person might have been somebody to hold the ladder in the crime. Tell us about the tells about how radio got around this challenge. They wanted to bring microphones into the courtroom. Yeah what radio did is. They did what you would expect. Which is they have reenactments of the trial testimony they hire actors and actresses to reenact the transcripts of the trial whi- on radio and then they have talking head commentators and going over the The trial and kind of doing the post game analysis every day. And if you're old enough to remember the oj case in ninety four ninety five..
"kidnapping" Discussed on Radio Survivor Podcast
"That people would be hanging which they weren't reporting because limburg wants the behind. The scenes negotiations kept secret. So that's something that probably wouldn't happen today that sense of cooperation and the sense of journalistic deference to journalistic with the law enforcement deference to the heroic figure of charles lindbergh. Nobody wants to do anything that could potentially jeopardize the life of the baby. What radio in those days Basically ripped off their news from the newspapers and they would you know basically read. The announcer would read the headlines in the newspaper and then say for further details to suit the the newspapers ego. Be sure to consult your morning newspaper but what happens if a couple curious things happen. I the night of the kidnapping radio goes with the The people attend and reached the story. Some a lot of people here first on radio and they don't believe it because radio isn't sort of trusted news disseminating medium yet. And so they're not really. Some people aren't going to believe until they see it. Read the newspapers that night. Our interest is so great you tell students they find it hard to believe but t- broadcasting actually went off at midnight or one o'clock and if you're of a certain age you actually might remember those antediluvian pre cable gays in which the major networks would do a sign off at one or two o'clock depending on your market. They play the national anthem. And then it'd be static electricity on channel four until they started again at six or seven o'clock the next morning and that's what radio. That's the pattern in radio. But what radio did is. They kept the transmitters on all night just in case something broke in the lindbergh case. So you get static and then maybe the announced break in there was no entertainment program but just in case something happened so they wouldn't have to wait thirty minutes for the transmitters to warm up this is something also that people don't under- understand about a broadcasting both the a radio transmitters and television had to like warm up so when..
"kidnapping" Discussed on Radio Survivor Podcast
"And sound. i'm jennifer weights on. Paul reese mundell. I'm eric on the show today. Were traveling back in time. It's march nineteen thirty. Two and a horrible crime has just occurred the kidnapping of the twenty month. Old son of famed aviator charles lindbergh and his wife and moral lindbergh. Imagine that you were living in the united states in nineteen thirty two and wanted to follow breaking news about the story if it were twenty. Twenty one answer might be twitter or the internet but in the early nineteen thirties. It was obviously a very different media landscape largely consisting of print journalism newsreels and radio our guest. Thomas dirty joins us to provide historical context and shed light on radios role in the media frenzy surrounding the kidnapping of lindbergh baby and subsequent trial. And why it was a turning point for house. Breaking news was covered. Thomas dirty professor of american studies at brandeis is the author of little. Lindy is kidnapped how the media covered the crime of the century. Thomas thanks for joining us today on radio survivor. It's a pleasure jennifer. So the nineteen thirty two kidnapping of lindbergh's baby was a massive story and your book title describes it as the crime of the century. Can you give us a snapshot of that crime. Because i'm assuming that not everybody in two thousand twenty one might know the details the way they did back in the nineteen thirties. Yeah i think first thing to know about. This is who charles lindbergh was and most people probably have a sense of us. The famed aviator who flew solo nonstop from new york to paris in nineteen twenty seven and he was kind of a big hero. But one of the things i had to capture in the introductory chapter was to give people a sense. Suggest the sheer scale of lindbergh's fame and admiration we live in a world of superlatives and hyperbole where everything's the greatest. The best the biggest. Somebody's spikes football in an end zone. He's a hero. In nineteen twenty seven in may lindbergh was the most beloved admired adored person on the planet he received a level of adulation that i think is fair to say was unique and certainly unprecedented in the twentieth century. And it happened not just because of the heroism and enterprising audacity of what he did because everybody really did think he was gonna die that this was an impossible feat and to have this loan twenty five year old american What he did. I don't think you did. I think we're taking it for granted. He flew across the atlantic in plane. Yeah a solo non-stop alone and some offer you it you. You would be ridiculous in in the in the twentieth century to have to explain to it audience. Wild limburg was a hero right. At least at the time. I i usually have to recreate it for my For my students And even if you know who charles. Lindbergh is what you really need to render to appreciate. The sort of the magnitude of the disaster felt by americans in nineteen thirty. Two on his baby son is kidnapped. Is that. We all identified with limburg. We knew who he was..
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