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UF 376: Cody Stamann and Sam Alvey

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

57:00 min | 1 year ago

UF 376: Cody Stamann and Sam Alvey

"Somewhere game show is missing his host. That is a happy dude. Right there your winter. Smilin' set out in the winner. By you choose your let spoke. Aw All right welcome the UFC unfiltered This is a real. You should see what I'm looking at right now. Of course my pal various Matt Sarah. Okay Hi you feel weird Jimmy. It is and I thought of you a lot because I go to the gym and doing a little bit kickboxing but your Jujitsu. So how has it affected your school? You're the one of the first guys I thought of. And they started closing everything. I just realized my supposed to be wearing fucking handfuls. The you can't i. I have an external mic sweated. Mortar bouncing back on me. So that's one of the sound coming into my headphones. But it's up to you I should but it's too late now. Shows show is thought it Matt and a couple of days you can. This is no one really knows what we're doing right now. We're all kind of messing everything up. So I'll tell you man so listen I had to once I found out that they they're closing down like schools for a couple of weeks on my man. What am I doing. I got a you know in my trajectory schools on top of each other strangling each other and stuff. So I said institute. I've been teaching on Long Island Twenty years literally More and I never had to close down my schools. I have my first crop two thousand and one and there's people there on holidays you guys. Maniacs always training is always somebody. They're rolling right also meet a half to do. That is really strange. And it's almost like totally takes. Yadav whatever like a routine I've had for like lobbying always school so it's like I don't really straight. It's really strange strange. Feeling it is but it's weird. I if there's something about this whole thing like my gigs are all getting moved. And we could talk about the fights that were fought in Brasilia which without an audience. But it's kind of weird like there's something communal about like because you know the whole planet is getting kicked in the Dick. It's not just us. It's not just the US everybody. It's almost weird like when you see people you're friendlier in person in the stores and it's like this common thing that everybody is dealing with and it's almost like after nine eleven with everybody's just a little bit nicer to each other. What did you do the background of your skype because it looks fuzzy? And you like your bike. I didn't do anything. This is just how you see me. When you're talking to me you only see me. You don't see anything else. No thing I'll show you in your skype setting. I thought you did do it because your your background is very blurry gop to skype. Click on skype and then chick audio and video preferences. I'll do that another time when they end up losing you if I saw okay. Yeah let's me Jimmy. I like the online learning for secular people. Paul under people could see my let. Everybody see my long hallway. Do this see a long haul. Is this me me. And that's a picture of kiss back there along that wall this pictures of me and Black Sabbath. There's a big picture of kiss at the bottom. That's what you're looking at. Probably Twenty different than the Sarah Household picture of me and you buy. Excuse me hold on. Not One picture of me and you. Oh hold on my friend. I'm going to be so happy. There's a pitcher. Not only. Is there a picture of you? Look look at my screen saver looking glasses. You it's being you odds Jimmy Johnson now. Did You sky earlier with Sam Roberts in June say? Don't fuck me Jimmy. We did skype. What Sam but I would never put. Sam's picks up. He knows it. You seem a lot. You see him a lot too much. You know. It's funny when it comes to parenting my so people mice ugly something do something. I'm here with my favorite mock. You don't my favorite mortgages like family. Recently in Florida we can talk with springs and we go to the sponge docks and kids little knickknacks and now they get little shit they get this and that and so walking through rabbi. Wait a minute a school. Star Wars. That's Rio. This is a old school star. Wars bounty on her. Now why did I bring that up like listen? Pair people did pairing people. A two did chew the to a strict but just like the fun police. I don't WanNa say you will one of my sister-in-law's my with my kids were little like the other cops. You get what you get. You don't get upset. Fuck is that right Mike. My Special Mug looks like you're not going to on it anyway guys back in a UFC. And my I just got a message. Why from Jimmy? Rivera saying that their school had to close to everybody's got to close. It is what it is. It's people helping people people doing the right thing. The thing is even though I know as you know Jimmy Kimble biologist idols Age was I mean. I think it's about slowing how this thing gets out there. That's what I think to the oval mode with a hospital with just like an influx of people. You know what I mean. What is exciting? This is all stuff gross but you know I got my favorite mug. I got my Celta. I got my vr setup inside. Isn't it nice to not have to leave the house? There is something by the way or your hands dry from washing. My fucking hands are like they're like old lady feet. Your hands Jimmy. I've got to see what's going to have a way schools. You think they're gonNA want to rent this month. I think everybody hopefully is going to be a little more understanding you. Even if the rent's late you hope people would go. Look the entire planet is getting fucked by this. I don't think people dropping out of school I I hope not. I mean why would they? I mean what? What are we GONNA do live? This is GONNA move on. You know what I do like I like that. No kids get taken out with this thing. Knock on wood. Oh you mean not getting messed up. I mean not that I like that. It's the elderly but if it was something that's wiping out all the children. I'd be like you know my grandfather's one hundred you know it's probably he's probably s Karolyi Wahdan. Yeah believe me everytime sneeze jumping in front of them. You know what it is. This was this was hurting. Kids the panic that you see now is nothing compared to what would be happening. If this was fucking kids up like it would be literally mandatory. Stay in your house. It'll be crazy I'M GONNA WATCH. Watch later the spirits. The Road Vigo I never saw that. I've heard a bit about Jimmy Alma. Happy glasses him. Full type of guy. Who are I? Don't know why I love that movie. It's the most depressing movie. All God. Jim You loved it. You'd walk out of it because you are gloom and doom. Virk dawns me. I wish I could hug you John. I'm GonNa give you a virtual a Nice Huckabee Nice. Yeah well. We'll do it next week. Okay what did you think of? It was amazing. When I watched the fights I watched UFC Brasilia and to see how little like the fans are important but really very quickly. The echoing of the cornermen yelling is a little strange. But you get very used to it and it didn't affect the fight at all and it seemed like they almost went harder and maybe I'm just imagining that but it didn't seem like it affected the fights even a an iota like and Mike our friend Michael big deal. He's for his excellent but he does laugh at himself. That's what I like. I like what he's like all right. Make some noise for and I just told the empty arena for the guy. These funny Achey. Just throw everybody a little bit. You don't mean just talked about Damian Maya Too. I think my was circling a certain wiggins burns and he goes right. Now he's GonNa shoot for the single leg of course because this is what my does he gets the cage and then Byrne Circle. Without Maya didn't do it. He goes and of course he's not going to do it to make me look stupid. I love being. I think he's really funny. He's a really great announcer. He's really enjoyable to listen. And he's and he's smart too. They don't want any bad announcers. Everybody who who works for the sea. Obviously with the exception of President Company really knows that there's argument except for us. Let me tell you. I was so entrusted at Gilman Burns fight. That was first of all Dana. Was looking awesome. But Gilbert Jn guy but he just has to be able to hang. I mean he I wish you know what next number in studio we're GONNA go back to the flakes. I like the point out. Some stuff like when Damien had his back and his little things that Gilbert did. Dad helped that helped him survive. That owns a pressure from Dina Meyer. That most people will not survive and what he did that. He got up at night when he said that Henry who told him everybody. Does that. Lee J you come back with that with the left Hook. He goes just speed not power. He's GonNa Throw a jab you just you beat them back with that left dog and it was just it. Was You know what it is? Also because what happens guys. Try to load up on that shot. He's back in on you. Right nice relaxing. Do that archerd any new Damian. Even David wasn't totally out. He was on his back. He was seeing stars. He probably saw three different. Gilbert's over two hundred it will listen. I there's no bigger fan of Dina Meyer right here. And he was in that fight. I mean I'll tell you about ten guys. Strangled key was on him. But it's Wild Man. GotTa Watch it again. Because everything was going awesome Damian guilty one little scramble and Daming match it and then this you know a little bit of space. It's all due to Gilbert. Even we finished it with striking. It's the victory is due Brazilian Jujitsu Skills. Because he would not have had the ability to get away that I from that I saw bacteria he got up a couple of times where other guys really have a hard time getting it but I think there was at least twice. I saw him get up against my. You said he scampered out the back and there was something else he got up. And you're like all right. My is GonNa have a hard time keeping him down and with his power advantage. It was it was. It wasn't GonNa go well for Damian and it was great. It wasn't just because he was trying to get back up he was using his Jujitsu to match him or to play. Ju Jitsu with him. And then when Damien. Try TO DO THAT. Too Key position. Actually No. He's ours up so tonight we're working to Jitsu or juicy knives. What's space and guys tried to do that? All right listen up. I hate saying that because it sounds like I'm telling MATT SOLICIT AUTHORITATIVE. Way And I would never do that. We are equals although as men were not. I am the bottom in this friendship. 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And you just get to hear everything a little bit different and it was. It was really Kinda cool. What about you know what I notice to those one moment when a trailer was on top Johnny Walker and you can almost hear him breathing and he was taking very deep breaths and I think he might have been by the mics but he was a third round at one point and that was the thing I noticed too is hearing the corner guys yell and echoing and hearing Walker trying to breathe? Yeah I thought on the ultimate fighter to get into the house. We had a fight in Mandalay. Bay The the auditorium. Not a private room so I got to fight in front of you know. I don't know how many people fit Mandalay. Ten Thousand Fifteen thousand whatever it is but there's nobody there so I got the fighting that once before and it was it was Kinda cool. You just hear you hear a lot of the math. You know you every time you take a step on that in the cage you get that thumps on I remember hearing that a ton but that worked out well for me so I'm hoping this next one out the same way. I know you've had a couple of losses. They all actually really solid fighters. How is your mentality? And how are you feeling going into this? I feel great. I like to say I got a mark daughter did In a couple of his fights I still got for gotta work on that in the my last week is my last night. I thought I won. The judges didn't and it was close But it's Kinda nice going into this fight because it's do or die I am. It's I'm really not nervous. Which is surprising but it just it's a form of inspiration is if I lose I'm out of the. There's no way they keep me around again so I just won't loose and it's really put that that fire behind me. I've had I've had a great camp. I've taken the necessary steps to make sure I don't get hit that one time. And I I love the opponent matchup and we got is definitely has knocked out power but he's also coming. He's coming off two out of three losses. He beat Eric Andres but he's kind of in a tough spot himself and one of the guys he lost who was Walker back in November of eighteen. And when you see what happened Johnny Walker who. We just mentioned this week. Is it weird to see a guy who's on such hot streak and being mentioned at least like well he's going to be fighting for a title soon? One more fight may be and then all of a sudden it seems like people kind of figured out you just put on the floor and it seems like it's GonNa be very hard for him to come back from this loss. I think because everybody is just going to try to put him on the floor unless finds guys that. Just don't grapple Walker's got such a high you know high value because he's so entertaining it just more personality than even fight citing. This fight. Sounds a lot of fun to. I'm sure the bounceback. They'll probably give him an opponent. Who is it GONNA wrestling next? Who knows maybe? I ended up fighting watcher next. It'LL BE A. He is one of the scariest guys the division though because all of his wins happened in about forty five seconds and his losses are surprised losses. So he he's a very scary individual in the in the division seeking sorry Jimmy Obscure individuals. Khalil roundtree is one of those individuals. He's pretty fucking scary. Use the be sparring armies with them or no no. I think I sparred with them once before. He was on the finale of the show. You know there's that that two or three months before when filming ends before the fight happens. Yeah I think I sparred with them once during then Super Nice Guy. We chilled forbidden. Yeah use use a lot of fun to be around but yeah I never. I've never really trained with him. And he's living in Thailand heating trees. Whatever the fuck is doing right living the life. Yeah he has that He. You know that Anders fight. He looked on beatable at Anders. Fight was he looked. I mean just just better than anyone the division and then his next fighting chaotique about a taboo to the little He came out and put him in his place. So I'm expecting him to come back and you know. He's announced his retirement after this fight but a lot of flavors do that so I don't know if he's going to retire but I expect him to come out on fire. It's funny. They sometimes give us questions to ask. Like you know part of our production and preparation and I already know that. It's a funny when they wrote. Is it harder to fight a guy you actually like and I remembered we talked and you really have no problem finding a guy you like? No I like fighting. My friends go out there. I'M GONNA make money with. Somebody's GonNa make money with me. Why why would I want someone? I don't like to make any money off me. Khalil's good dude. He can he can make he can make half the money fight me but he's still making some money now. You're saying you have no you're surprisingly not nervous. Are you saying because normally you would be nervous not to face a guy like Khalil roundtree but because of the implications If you lose I'm never nervous when I slide. I'm one of the few fighters I I didn't mean to be a fighter. It wasn't wasn't in my plan and then I ended up. You know top fifteen in the eventually the nerves never got to me but I everyone says you know that you're on that cutting board. I said it's in your head you know that it and it's just not that way with me and I kinda thought it would be. I thought I finally get the feeling of those nerves and maybe backstage I will but right now it's eight. I'm so confident that I'm that I'm going to go out there and do it. I have to because when my back's against the wall I tend to always do a half too so I'm really excited about getting out there and having that moment now you. I didn't know this. You're a former collegiate wrestler. Yes I I love telling people that I was a b team wrestler on a D. Three School in College I love doing it. I was a great practice for the real wrestlers. I wish I would have more but I love Abba collegiate wrestler in technically I but I was on the lower end of the Laura Blame Sean. Getting into the striking Really I've never been a fight. I think if you look at my stats. I've got one hundred percent take rate in the UFC. The guy kicked me and kind of fell her. I think Polish doesn't I think I've got six attempts have never actually taken anyone down So I I've the fans of always liked the knockouts so I've always tried to be one of those guys that get the knockouts. When did you start the striking? How old were you? Let's see my first plate was one in my first eight. So what have been around then? By but honest the first four years of my career I was self taught. I was head coach at my gym. So I just kind of made it all up on. My Dad told me going into the first sorry listen grew name back of his head through the front and then it's kind of been my game plan for every fight and I'm fascinated about the lack of nerves like when you're when you're you know you're in the locker room and you know you're fights coming up you just don't get it. You don't get it during the walkout. You're just comfortable. I Yeah I really am a and I always attributed. I've got a ton of flights. I've think I've got seventy something professional Fights I've got a lot of fights. I've been there a timer too but again. I never meant to be a fighter. I didn't watch fighting growing up. I didn't watch boxing. Mma I love Jackie Chan of his movies and I'd never meant to do this and then I started winning started winning eventually. I watched what the UFC was cool. And I just kept making enough money to make me want to keep doing it and then eventually I ended up in the AFC. Do you remember the first guy you knocked out? Yes Wichner I think his name is Wayne. It was my second amateur fight. So my first amateur fight. I dropped the Guy Heart but I didn't know the rules so I won. I didn't win. He just stood up and the round ended round to he'd be tar highly. Took me down. Just beat the snot out of my second fight. I thought some Super Heavyweight Guy. I mean just a big big and I came out and twelve seconds of I think his last name was wagner. Let me ask you Some people even myself would some fights. They don't want their better half their spouse watching. You don't want them nervous case things go south and whatnot. You have your better half in your corner literally everything that happened. It was a free ticket if she was my corner so I had her my dad the other. I don't have to pay for a ticket if you do it. And she started taking a lot more serious than I ever did. Admit now wraps hands. She's a brown belt. Getting close to a black belt sees the reason I moved to team quest. She did all the research on the gyms around the world because I four years. I was the head coach and she was the one that Sam. You gotta you gotTa go somewhere where you get beat up. And so she cheated a bunch of research look at my style of who actually go with and she came down to two Dan Henderson. Jim and you lose the right call on it's wild. That's really funny that you did that. Just basically to get her to the fight without having to pay for a ticket you really interesting path. You're panthers definitely not an Orthodox Path and the way you do. Things is not the way everybody else seems to do. Things trying to pick up on the longer. I've been in the sport the more stories. I've heard people I talk to. I kinda Yeah I. It is kind of unique staff and I don't know that will ever be replicated with this big as the sport has gotten. It'll be hard for guys. I'm not gonNA say lockup into because you can fight but it can be hard for guys to wind up fighting for a living with the way everybody is taking such a young age. All these young guys are just bird or so. It's GonNa be very hard for someone who's not geared on fighting to wind up a professional fighter. Yeah I look at how good the amateurs are now. Compared to when I was an amateur an amateur for like four months or so and those damages stay would kick the Tartu amateur stand back then but it was just a different time I was tough apparently and I hit hard and that was that was enough to carry me into well into my professional career. Yeah and you remember. You said it's funny. You talk about that. Guy Who took you down and kind of pounded you. After you knocked him down was that. Were you expecting that when you get into fighting that you you know being on the ground was going to really suck no I. The little bit of wrestling I had was was finally in. I knew I didn't know how to do anything on the ground. I was the head coach. I knew I didn't have anybody that could teach me what to do on the ground so to this day. It's I don't go to the ground. Stay off the ground like touch the ground. I lose and they at the beginning. That was like absolutely my game. Plan is to touch the ground. I lose so I go in. Step One defendant. Every shot to fend defendant offended. And now I'm I'm very good on the ground. I'm very competent on the ground. But I've had so many fights that that I I don't want to go to the ground star. Still no reason to cormie quote him before because he was so honest in this debate. Loss reset you just kind of get caught up in this thing where it feels good to knock somebody out. And there's a lot of fighters who are good on the ground. I mean I roy Nelson if you didn't know he was a black belt because you know you never would have seen it in in fighting. It seems like he avoided the ground because he kinda got comfortable thrown that big booming punching knocking people out. Yeah you get a lot of recipes that are due chocolate. Oh is that. He was a collegiate wrestler. Wendi it was never went to the ground and you get a list of guys that don't go to the ground that often even though even though they could mid probably went down there. Do you think it's the idea of the people liking the knockout? So much or do you think it is also the fact that you know again. It's a good way to guess yourself as you get older as you can see my background dynamic fitness. I never worried about gassing I I am I feel I've got the best gas tank outside of maybe Michael Bisbee and Frankie Edgar. I don't get tired and fights and these guys they've been writing me for shoot six or seven years now to make sure I don't. It's amazing you don't get nervous. You don't get tired like those. Are the two problems have besides the fact that those are the first two issues would APP is? I'd be scared and I'd get tired very quickly. He's always smiling. Yeah he is well. Look we love you salmon? And I'm happy if fighting. I hope there's fight happens obviously is going to happen. I hope happens when you guys would like you to but if not it'll a month or two after it's GonNa Fight Khalil roundtree. If not twenty-eight that'll be next month I mean don't figure it out. I hope so I just. I gotTA pay taxes by April Fourteen Shit. He's on a I. Have it all planned out and then I broke my aunt last year? And it's like well damn it may saving my tax money went to living money and now. I gotTA fight. Uncle Sam's GonNa find me. Something tells me they're going to be a little bit more lenient. At least I'm hoping they are. I'm hoping that they're going to give people leeway as far as penalties on taxes after April. Fifteen they very well might give a sixty or ninety day grace period while people get back on their feet because the people back in their feats fucking fifty-one. I'd say feeds but the government is closing a lot of these things so it's not people's choices. Yeah it would be. I hope I fight I but if it doesn't happen I they give me a little little extra time to get back on my feet. Look you know you're selling your in great spirits and ready to go so we're talking hopefully after and I hope you do. Well thank you guys so much for having me. I Guess Anytime Sam. Thanks a lot and support for this. Podcast comes from boost mobile. Don't settle for the excruciating pain of missing your team's biggest play because you have a frustrating unreliable network step up with boost mobile boost. Mobile has a super reliable super fast network. So you can post up and watch the Games. 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I moved here About six months ago so A normally I'd be at a practice right now but the gym attracts you Tour just announced last night that they're closing so it's GonNa be Kinda it's GonNa be. Kinda strange these next couple weeks but Make it work. I mean this is an exclusive to me. Everybody's kind of a weird weird place fucking. Weird cody knows. It's crazy outcomes man crazy. I'd AMIS shitting myself. Yeah I I went to bass pro shop to pick up some shells. I was GONNA go skeet shooting the front and the line of people that are. They're buying guns yet. Now's the most terrifying thing I've seen. I mean like people that should never only gone are are in line trying to buy guns we. What are you GonNa do with that like people? I really scared fears? You know. Well they actually. It's the walking dead and it's like we do know that there is a cap on this. I mean we. We know what's going to happen. Yeah couple of months. It's going to suck but people think that everyone is going to be running new through the streets with three not stealing your tuna cans. It's not GonNa get fucking is just inconvenient but we're all in it it's like everybody is taking a beating. It stinks and in a couple of months. Things will be back to normal. So are you able to train privately? Even though the gym is closed like is there a place you can go and just work out? The is still open A Tenth Planet Jujitsu is still open So there's there's places go the schedule is going to change a little bit but honestly like the Hazen. The bar already am two weeks away from a fight. I've already done a lot of the really really hard work things in Omelettes. I've a couple good drilling parts that I trust. Now that I can grow. It might be doing network Obviously some of it's GonNa Change. Maybe the location in the Times but You know my schedule's not gonNA change that much so hardly don't have too much to complain about. I mean everything's pretty close for me. I've a good group of guys that I can trust so Do they have a place for this? Take place yet or not in the air so I mean As of last night I heard that the Nevada Athletic Commission kind of Shopping's now until March twenty fifth which is three days before the scheduled. So I mean are they gonNA fly everybody in And then just hope and pray. That Nevada's is okay. Yeah everything is fine. I think it's kind of a day by day thing for me. I'm just I gotTa Kinda Keep My head and you know what I mean that the Second. I'm not fighting you know everything's GonNa start unraveling so for me. I just assume that I'm fighting and everything's on schedule. Obviously the the venue changed but like I said I lived in Las Vegas so this was actually cheaper and easier for me to fight a day Pakistan from fighting in front people are like that doesn't really matter you know when you're not in a fight like who gets shit who's washing some guy's GonNa Punch in the face standing in front of you so But I mean I duNNo. I Dunno new. This outbreak a gets a hundred times worse. You know in the next in the next two weeks. A bunch of people are in the incubation period and like everything gets shut down for things as extremists like they're going to happen like a mandatory. Too weak government shutdown. Everything's GonNa get shut down to give can be locked in the house for two weeks so something like that happens. I'm see I'm not fighting but you know in my head like nothing's changed there's a bullshit text going around where it's like somebody. I don't know who started with like you know. Now a friend of mine talked to somebody he knows on the government. And there's a date it's a bullshit textile not real. I know because I somebody. Somebody texted me goes. My friend was talking to somebody in the FBI. And I'm so I'm so fucking gullible. I bought it when I worry about what the older trainers like my good friend. Ray Longo you know if they say the virus. It's the elderly and I'm not attacking Longo which I love to do. But he is an older. You know with these people I understand. Had I love that? The events is still happening even in an empty arena. But what about these coaches that gotta fly over there? I E longos being breaking bad outfit buckets. Ask People Long Bongo Scandal. Luckily I looked at the fight to happen in play paranoids. So that's another thing to think about. That is a and my errands. Do you know my parents. There's not coming out here and I'm like guys stay on. Yeah don't it's not worth at Michigan is not worth that you watch it from the couch. Like I don't even WANNA be responsible. Some shit like that air find catch virus and you can only mean migrants are all. That's that's scary shit on one of my strong with that. Yeah and then and then you're fighting and it's in back of your head on. My parents are here like they go home. They're here like what's going. Yeah you don't need the extra distractions not going to be helpful. No no not at all and had a draw against start against a song and very vocal about feeling like that. It was an unjust decision. You honestly you said look I mean they can give me the L. but I want to get paid for the wind like I do this for the money right right right well That didn't happen. yon nuts kinda felt like houses being a wider. You know like this like it's like the Chroma virus you know. Obviously it's affecting me but this is an exclusive to You know I can't like this happening. It happens all the time to everyone in the sport In you know why have lost that fight a million times. And I'm a hundred thousand that I won that fight That's now the judge saw that night. And there's that knowledge goddamn thing I can do like. There's really nothing you can do to change that So I gotta get over it. You know things I should on that flight. You know you look back and you know. Hindsight's twenty twenty. There's things I coulda done to make sure that that I feel that when not I'm confident GonNa Finish them Late mattered round Started a little bit too late. I mean I'm over now though he's sort of like I've got I've got another guy to beat up. There's there's a million tough guys in this division. There's the end. There's no common. You guys like frank yet. Girls Elbow got all these. You know legends of anime one. Thirty five insane. It's is insane. I mean there's literally five guys fight title so I can't really. I'm on a fight that I had three months ago. Sure what what do you think of all getting You mentioned all the what do you. What do you think of him getting shot? Well I think Algebra sterling was a guy for that I agree. I think nine was a guy that I deserved that. That shot without a doubt. But you know. I don't think he was healthy at the time that it would've made sense for the USC UCLA scrambling to make something happen. And that Although fight was really close early thought it could either way. That's fine. That really could ended up as a draw In House Al Gore. Being who he is. I think it makes sense. I mean everyone's super pissed off about it but you got like one of the best on for bound guys ever Moving down in new division. You know having a really good fight the number one contender Why not you know what I mean. Why NOT WHY? Not if the actual guy that should be getting. That title. Shot isn't available at that moment. Why wouldn't they throw all? That's a big fight to make so a dozen doesn't hurt my feelings but me I think everyone else Understand why now I'll tell you what Jose although Besides being a legend in the sport I mean for him to come back after. Those beatings. That Max Holloway gave him. I'm like wow enacted it's like. He's never took those beatings meal. All those beatings took Max. Holloway will also identical like now they were back to straight doing. The both sides. Holloway liked the third round both sides both sides ended up third. I think yeah. I don't know how quality work close together. I don't think we're back to back. Fights were they forget was. Tko Remember yet. They weren't that far apart. They are time either. A tough time for although one of them replaced and fight somebody. Who's supposed to fight? And then Josie replace them. That's what I'm saying. Believe southbound either way we ended the each and it was brutal and I thought those were a fight that could have been shorting career. Because 'cause he went bought and he's back with a vengeance he looked at his last one. And you know what is out with? A moral was close slow it was froze and then he got boral in fighting. I'm sorry PDR. I believe yes you do. I mean that's going to be a crazy fight. You're you're you're you're on fire that that division is insane and then you now at your age common down. You know. Algiers almost healthy almost site. Al Jolan Frankie. Edgar should fight and then Marlon Marlon Peter Yangzte fight and then it's like those two almost have to fight to get the nextitle shot. You know what I mean. 'cause you know whatever wins those fights the bottles got Shot you know. So it's a it's a weird. It's a weird spot division. I mean it's awesome because it's blown up e can't get quay Sandiego. Also 'cause I think San Hagen Joe might be going at it if the room is geared Chiro. Why don't WanNA give nothing to get sick? I am Barcella. Fifteen in one. I mean you know you're you're going up against the wall is he's ranked fifteenth having so I think so. Yeah yeah he he's not getting there Yeah I'm east off to. I'm you guys get everywhere. Blackwell can russell sky good hands not dudes out left and right in the AFC Say He's No He used no Cape Dude stuff I mean. There's not I'm not fighting anyone. That's not an absolute killer ever right in a probably ever again and I'd just like made may be that guy. That fight are going to be animals. That's just your animal yourself and when you see that record of only one loss you very well pretty much have one loss. When you look at your record I mean yeah without Joe. That was a loss but came back. Repes- you got that and again you last fight. It is what it is so we all know how rent so amen. I'm looking at both with one loss. I'm not looking at it. Arlene so still definitely has his hands full with you man. I know I studied a lot of taper. You unified algae. Jim This gives us good. Sorry cody will look. Hopefully you fight goes through hoping Albee's on the car with Khalil roundtree. I hope that March Twenty Eighth Card happens for you guys and again if not. I'm sure they'll the UFC doesn't want to wait so hopefully if not figure something out. I mean the one advantage to not doing it in front of fans is that you. Can you have a little more leeway with when you reschedule it because you don't have to get seventeen thousand tickets sold right and looking at it last night and they don't have to invent a Before so it wouldn't surprise new crap respect week which wouldn't change your life me. Well listen as good talking to you and we'll talk to you get after the fine hopefully Piazza's death stay safe. You too good luck right. It gets Nice Coffee Man. You know these guys are. It's a really. It's just a weird time man really is. I'm not panicking. I don't know maybe I should. Now I mean I think of my schools and I mean with a lot of people are in my position to like everyone. Every three one with a school is in your position. Everyone with a gym. I mean all the gyms are closing down it can be mandated New York. Do they have to close so Dante? GonNa go find a better option than than syrupy. Jj they can't because nowhere else to go. No no I know I just. It's just. It's just a weird is like I said it's a weird time man and no I. I felt it when I was in the studio last in. I didn't get my my hug. Hug You now. You hesitated trust in us for your safety and it's okay overdose. Hey at least you know what good thing is we can at least do this. Like one thing is there. Is this like we can broadcast? And so at least we can make you know part of our money doing this on my live shows as well. Now I hear you Jimmy. I'm GonNa talk about some of the fight Jimmy. 'cause I was off your store with the Charles Oliveira Kinley that was what did you think he will. Kevin get it a lot of shit by the way. I was a bloodbath. As far as are picked I think mass after and badly for for tapping and then continuing. What do you think that was? I'll tell you right now. I give them a total pass on that little piece after they stopped that He. I feel Shawls Alabama era is so precise with his submissions. In other words he has a chill gone strangle. You'll be able to sleep united auto. I can't get out. So what happened was his Gilpin's are sick. Go on very tight so when he had that on him. I feel that he was literally Kit or two away from just going to sleep on those zoned out when he was grabbing for right. You did see that Jimmy's at the morning reefer. But I see a Nigel. Benn on nothing happened. I didn't do anything. It is what it is I love the blur because everyone hates it. I like it. So where was I again? bring me talking about him him kind of being the haze from being when he. I think he eats I. That's why he wasn't fighting afterwards. T- tact and then I think he was coming to an arm fighting but I give heavily pass on that was fortified Excellent he was getting our of this is what was going on. Short obey throws machine gun attacks. He'd shootings together his Sobs Bing Bing Bing Bing you're escaping rig lock to get into a cab slice so late there is some like when when he was looking for calf slices and stuff on the legs in place? When you're let's say somebody's trying to get out of a walk. They're trying to get away from you. The bring their leg in the bed right behind your knee and turn it on by. The way is legit to keep things. Homes. It is comfortable in my Enzo photos shirt anyway. get their leg between their knee and your foot any bringing in the behavior leg in come around your waist and it pops her meow thirty five guests so he was looking for that which he's tapped guys with the four but league was doing a fantastic job of getting our of all stuffing's getting thrown at and leading some yet around leading a few good shots on top so after that. I realized I'm like I seem the second round I see. Nachos US to get a little slower. What is attacks so my? This is fantastic. He's GonNa be weathering this now. He's even feeling confident. Putting fight the floor and I think that's what what what what way clean it up. Yeah that's good. Yeah when when he went in he shot in his neck and it reminded me of a not doboy connell versus Saab Grind when I was a close fight that he shot in and he got a golden again with it was I think I believe it is but could some guys mandate gatos pinpoints emissions and That's what you're looking at right there. So Charles all of their heels the record for the most emissions. I think you're right. I Mcconnell. Look great that that that round one sub. Who would you say her not on? What kind of worries I can't hear you might cut out. Oh say his name again. He beat Demeer Hanta Vich. Yes he did and It's it's funny because he was so laid up and he started yelling at a Mansa words estimates. You've seen a clinic in the regular school. What's her name again. I'm sorry lost I had to pitch Padgett was it. Demere has had civic you wanted. You were yelling and I'm sorry I wanted to keep fighting. He said well. You shouldn't have submitted. To shipments of minute goal. We kinda just laughed. Like did he just say that's all it was? It wasn't nasty and he didn't mean that to be funny he was just angry going. Why the fuck you do that if you wanted to fight but you always. He said it as a joke really well at the end. You shouldn't have submitted. It was funny. Yeah I think he's A. It was a fight. You shouldn't but I you know not fired up. And he called out Paul feltler which was interesting. The rankings. You know. So what did you think which by the way against Macbeth thought looked great in third rounding a little tired but I thought he looked at credit tall? You the is like forty five. Why Age Man? He's fucking doing what he's doing. A Freak Man People Talk About Your Romero. Just another guy. They should talk about. He's he doesn't look like he's slowing down at all man and I was impressed. Because you know what's his name Let me jump Desi. Yes yes is is a start and he's never been a boring fight lot. You know. I mean the tornadoes. He's slowing down. By the way we got the shit beat out of we both had Kevin. Louis we both had Damian Maya. By decision we had both had more. I had on my decision and you had them by a second round sub show even though we get the same points. You're closer at least knowing what you're talking about and we've all had Johnny Walker who didn't look good at all. In the first few seconds. He looked great but he really had a tough fight against Krylov and people are going to see that and whenever they say you beat a guy kind of again. Everybody's got the same fighter but it does kind of give guys a blueprint on what they have to do and he needs to really work on on on the ground because everyone's going to take him down. That's a very difficult place to be. Yeah because she's a woman is and also Amanda Ribas. Took out right Ronda. Monaco's you'RE GONNA win. 'cause Rhonda is very good but this man the first of all what a great. She's great on Mike. She was just happy overjoyed but she's a beast in this division on. Where did she call from like she'll fantastic man? I think she's just like she's a she's a real player in his division. But that's why I picked her. You didn't pick her did you. Yes you did of course I did. I mean cool. Jimmy congrats. Thanks to get them on skype. Every sees my face also. I'm excited to see what's next for her. Yeah there's another one that came to mind which was closer than thirty. Twenty seven at one judge gave and that's Brandon Verano burs Juicy juicy for me for me. Were Mak- was. He won that first round. So I don't know what the fuck talking about close fighting closer than thirty twenty seven. Thirty Twenty Twenty Twenty nine twenty eight is the the right the right scoring but very close to winning the way you wonder when there's a thirty twenty seven and the judge has twenty nine twenty eight any and that that happens sometimes. It's not as bad as it is when it's in a five round fight judge any other questionable decisions you know once in a while you look at that. Like did they do that do they. Judge anything else completely the opposite of how everybody else saw it. What the fuck. They're watching but also the burns after he killed. Maya I liked. I liked to be called out Kobe. But Kobe's tyrant and Leona Woods Liane Edwards doesn't WANNA fly states. I think because of the virus he doesn't want to. I think that's what it is. You just want to get on a plane because obviously there are events canceled. At least I think it is. I should probably know that before I start yelling. Something's cancel planes flying. It's not even just the full. It's just the fact that you've got to touch the bathroom handle and you gotta you gotTa fucking touch. Everything is in such close quarters. Even the airlines are probably doing a good job of cleaning. I mean you're just stuck with one hundred people. A tube freaked everybody out a little while like today. I was GONNA drive into the city to do the pockets of jumping on the railroad today. Alleges you have trained wouldn't bother me as much but again. The trains not being cleaned down either. Now this is a plane would freak me out a little bit. I'm glad all of my gigs. Got Got moved my ozzy. I was supposed to interview Ozzy at fucking south by South West and that was canceled. That's the only one that really disappointed me everything else. I'm kind of glad clubs though all that stuff. Sure to small gathering. I mean I did the comedy cellar all last week but they have to. You don't want I would feel bad doing a show right now like like am I safe on stage but all these fucking poor people are crammed together in my up here being selfish ask in doing a show and getting sick. I was I was finishing. I will look. I think this went pretty well. I was happy with this hope. You're mad how you feel. Good Yeah Ginny. Yeah No. It's definitely different. This is different times. You know we'll get him this a like like what I did. I took my kids to the bike store couple. Geez man Fuck Yeah Expensive Shit but you know we got. We got some bikes in just now for wall like other. Weather's not that bad. Thank goodness Jimmy. Sure that I have now by my work again. She was world. Good of how many talk about crisis. I know I was like wait a minute by. I can't see my right eye normally either under the covers while I'm working the laptop with my left right to close out of masturbation all right Jimmy. Listen I'll be lobby Dune cameos. Once you bet I'll be doing them to the cameo lap you know and also all my students and even people that follow me on that Sara. Bj On instagram. I'm going to be putting out some a couple of days. I'll go to the gym. I'll show some techniques or grab one of my blackouts maybe Jason Rows. Somebody will demonstrate some techniques. Put them out there and just just keep spreading the gypsy. Love stay active on social media. Stay active on your instagram Poche. It every day I will Jimmy should in you and me. You will face time okay. Yes just let me know what time to make. Sure I'm here. You're saying that very sketchy now. I mean it all right Jimmy plugging anything. Probably not not at all. I mean look. I'll probably doing some live streams just keeping busy like everybody else and we'll talk soon. Maybe the corona will kill chip. Don't song you can meet three. Well I'm sorry and that was why you don't like chip. It's okay. I don't like him either so I understand. I understand the instinct Jimmy. I miss you and I found it. We'll see you at a couple of days. Yes so avoid touching anybody other than immediate family and wave at people if you see him no handshaking you. GotTa Buddy all right people on fielded army. Thanks Sam Allie and thanks cody statement math. Talk to you soon. Later Jimmy by everybody.

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#173 Jason Babin

First Class Fatherhood

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#173 Jason Babin

"Yeah. Lace? Welcome to first-class fatherhood. Welcome everybody to sold one. Seventy three of the podcast. I am happy as always the be here with you. Thank you for stopping by. If this is your first time listening to podcast, please get over there and bang. Nets of button, you do not want to miss all the action that is coming your way right here on first-class fatherhood. All right. We are kicking off another awesome week of celebrating fatherhood and family values. I've got another five banger for you daddy out there. And I've got fathers from all over the map today. I will be joined by a former first round NFL draft pick of the Houston. Texans. Jason Babb will be here with me in just a few minutes. So please stick around for the interview one of the biggest films in the movie theaters right now is unplanned, the true life story of Abby Johnson and tomorrow one of the stars of the picture Alexander. Cain will be stopping by. So please do not miss out on that Wednesday is going to be a warrior Wednesday this week army combat veteran Jason would will be here. Jason is now an elite, obstacle course athlete. So that's going to be a lot of fun. Thursday will be my interview with real estate entreprer. Moore grant car don't I conducted a video interview with grant on Friday, and I will be posting some highlights that on Instagram and Facebook, so be sure to look out for those Friday is going to be a bit different this week in honor of UFC two thirty six on Saturday. I will be interviewing one of the fighters on the main card. You have see middleweight Eric Anders. We'll be here with me, and he's going to be squaring off with Khalil Roundtree. So if you guys are planning on watching the fights this weekend, you have got tune it in for Friday's podcasts. So let's go dads. I got a great group of joining me here to share their fatherhood experiences with us. And so many of you guys are deeming me. And emailing me your stories about your own personal fatherhood journeys. And I'm loving every minute of that. I do my best to respond to each and every one of you and also many of you are reaching out enquiring how to become a guest on the podcast here. And I would love to have all of you guys on the show. Unfortunately, I can't make that possible at the moment here. But I am definitely exploring new opportunities of ways where I maybe I can get a call in segment here to try to include as many of you guys on the body as possible. So stick with me here is continue to upgrade the exp. Syrian I last fatherhood fatherhood rocks. Family values rule and every day is Father's Day right here with me. And now I'm going to jump right into the action with former NFL first round draft pick Jason bobbin lace. And you're listening to I last fatherhood. I cannot say thank you enough to all the listeners out there. You'll hear a word from my sponsors in the middle of today's interview if you would like to help me make first class fatherhood, Ed free, please consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by hitting the link and the description of today's podcast episode. All right. And joining me now is a first-class father. He played college football at western Michigan where he was a two-time mid Atlantic conference defensive player of the year. He was the twenty seventh overall pick of the two thousand four NFL draft. He played twelve seasons in the NFL and finished his career with sixty four and a half sacks three hundred seventy two tackles. He is now a new career in real estate. It is a big privilege for me to say Jason bobbin. Welcome to first-class fatherhood things have me. I really appreciate it. All right here, we go. How many kids do you have? And how old are they? I have a three boys. Thirteen eleven and five awesome. Yeah. Our oldest will be thirteen this month. So we are hoping that he breaks us in easy to the teenage seen here. I was books. It it. It doesn't get easier. It gets different. All right. What type of sports activities at a boys into? We're really I kind of let them pick. I turn out to steer them. Anyway, honestly, I want. I want them to have their own their own pass. But you know, nothing kinda do tracking my footsteps a certain degree the older one. I think did basketball football basketball. And now the cross middle ones did football wrestling. And now lacrosse, so it's definitely we have three logistics. Now, the littlest ones playing sports now it's getting challenging very cool. Now, do you get involved with coaching? It all Jason or do you like to enjoy it all from the sideline? So obviously was couldn't participate in the coaching aspect until three years ago. And then I started getting involved in. I would say this past year has been my most pack coaching year. Did pop Warner middle school football and then helped out with. Wrestling. And now, I'm helping out with the lacrosse, so my my weekends are are definitely assigned. Okay. Good stuff. All right. Jason please take a second here. Just a hit my listeners a little bit about your background. And what you do girly. What I do is mainly real estate developed neighborhoods multifamily commercial space. I also have real estate brokerages and Florida Michigan and hopefully coming online, you other states here this summer, a lot of everything is really real estate related. I really enjoy that creating that that deal, you know, that whole aspect. All right. And when did fatherhood came into this picture for you Jason and had it becoming a dad change your perspective on life. Well, the first part of the question, I think we always wanted to be a young dad, and and when I met my wife, I mean, she wanted nothing more than to be a mom, and and and and be be young mom as well. Wanted to be young when our kids were young. And and just to sidetrack for a moment. My knows about fatherhood. But when I met my wife, she she was that she was she was like, this is this is I want my, you know, my kids mom to be like, you know, that that can just kind of relating kind of relationship. She would have with the kids, you know, where you come home, and everyone, you know, that mom where everyone's like, oh, she made a snacks just the amount. Everyone loves other kids love. I'm like, I could see when we start talking about kids from early as she was that mom. So it was like, boom. You know, it's a check that box. So I felt really great about you know, obviously are playing. That's awesome. Jason how about I mean? I know you first round draft pick of the Texans. But you've around quite a few teams there. What were some of the challenges of moving from city to city as young dad? Well, when the kids are that age. I mean, I'm most there's a lot of people that would live in live in the city during the season and have a city that they probably enjoy or from off season. So it really wasn't too. Challenging the challenging aspect came from when I still wanted to keep playing, and I definitely the kids couldn't switch on schools. So there was two years there where I was you know, with the jets and then with the cardinals in the playoffs, and I couldn't move him. So I was I was attached. I was you know, in a in a really really great looking efficiency apartment sarcastic in in New York or Zona, and they were there. So that was that was I was probably the most difficult time as being away from the family for those long stretches. You know, I really really really wanted to you know, get that Super Bowl ring. Just didn't didn't happen. Yeah. While you play at eleven or twelve seasons in the league. There did having kids and becoming a father play into the fact of you are making the decision to retire from the NFL or was it just time for you to hang it up. No. I mean, I probably still push the envelope a little more, but I had some business things that I really wanted to accomplishing and start working on. And just made a, you know, I guess calculate decision. You know, I guess a trying to make the best non-emotionalist is not good on it. And thankfully it. It's it's been working out. It just think 'cause I was involved involved in business and doing all different developments and projects and just got the point where it was getting getting so big at needed my attention twenty four seven so I kinda played a little bit into it. All right now, do your kids have favorite football team in common as one of the teams that you played four or do they all root for a different one? You know, it's a very interesting questions because he would naturally like team. I played on team. They had you know, 'cause they're always lack room at the sidelines. And they they grow up. There's tons of pictures always pop up on Facebook. You know, they're sitting next to somebody. You know that you know, play fell like little three or four year old playing XBox locker room. You know, so they have these they have these like snapshots, I think of the memories. But the thing I think that influences them the most is, you know, these college kids. They look up to look at the NFL players. So they have they have is college, you know, football players, and that they look at and then wherever they end up going seems to be the kind of their and that's my team. I like that team kind of you know, kind of failing. Okay, good stuff. And I always love to ask the former NFL players get them on the podcast here about tackle football because many dads parents in general out there struggle with this decision whether or not to let their kids play tackle football, especially with all the stuff that's been reported. So what's your take on it? Jason how do you feel about young kids playing tackle football? And what's what's a good age for a kid to start playing? Well, I think each case is individual, you know, you don't have to so young age. It does I would say help you have to learn the nuances of the game. But I was on the competition committee at the time and her both sides of during the lockout in times of it's all concussion thing started. So hearing the NFL's doctors point of view, these meetings, and the NFL PA is. Actors point of view, obviously, there's their science. There's you know, each side's personal interest involved there's finance involved. So it's a very complicated question. You know when you're arrive at your decision. But I think there's a little bit of natural selection volved and the sense of if you're predisposed getting concussions or whatever your physical makeup is and you play sports young age, and you get dinged up. Well, probably not gonna continue on. So there's there's a selection I think on a natural selection as you get older and competition increases, and if you're physically predisposed to that you're gonna we'd yourself out. I think there's that. But I also think that the best thing that's happened out of the whole competition. You know, about the whole NFL Christian thing is the fact that the the onsite Docker watching it right watching the game. So they see a guy getting there's there's there's there's there's a certain protocol. And I think they're still needs to be additional protocols, and I think I'm actually working with one of Dr that's not NFL doctor now he's writing protocol for stem cell injections, for, you know, concussion damages that the hope trying to run by the NFL as well. And that also sends a signal to all the other sports. You know, it's a college NCAA, it's a high school use sport. So then it, you know, it's kinda hopefully follow all the way down. So everyone takes it seriously. Because you think gosh normal even to play sports running around chasing children the house, but the damage happens when you that second one I had a really good teammate. And I'm not gonna mention his name getting concussion, and he was he and I were both, you know, doing great that year. We're both gonna have probably double digits axe. And he got a little bit up, and it was like in that gray area. You know, should come back not come back, and this was prior to the whole concussion thing, and I begged them comeback this one more week one more week, and you know, sh you know with without without fail. You gotta you know, he got another concussion, and it just that was. Hits you know, and on receivers on running backs on all these different things. And and I don't know for certain. But I personally feel that they do some of those things to increase the viewership desire and fantasy football league interaction 'cause they want higher scores. They wanted the same guys around. They don't want those injured, you know, I think in my personal opinion, you know, that they do those things under that umbrella, which I don't think is fair because it is such an important thing that you know, player safety. So I don't I don't like that being you know, misused and ever so slightly. It is time to get an important word from our sponsors and back with more from Jason bobbin. I'm Alec lace. 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So you can enjoy the high quality products that you deserve today. First glance fatherhood is being brought to you in part by borough borough makes simple innovative furniture for modern life at home. Their award award-winning sofa is packed full of clever. Features and thoughtful touches that'll make you wonder why you didn't upgrade your living room, situation sooner. I love the fact that I can easily add or remove seats as I need them. And the cushions are so comfortable with a built in charge of between them. So I don't have to worry about blocking the wall outlets. Give your living room, the upgrade it deserves with a borough sofa and right now, I last father who listeners can get seventy five dollars off a new sofa and free one week shipping by visiting borough dot com slash I that's B U R O W dot com slash I for seventy five dollars off a new sofa. Thanks against a borough for supporting first-class fatherhood. Yeah. Thank you for weighing in on that Jason. I mean, he made some great points there. I just think it was it's always been a difficult decision for parents, even before the east off. But I mean, the reports are a bit unclear so it's something the parents are very cautious about and I know that you're active with youth sports. You got a youth program. Please tell us about that a little bit. And how did you get started? With that. Shame is a powerful tool. I mean, it was probably no way wasn't going to be forced to coach. You know, the the kids when I was able you know, I was done playing football. So, but I honestly though, our youth program has maybe three or four NFL dad's one NFL guy that helps out to division one dad's. So we have we had a pretty amazing coaching staff in our in our pop Warner middle school programs that we we run a kind of a pro style. Practice sense of what we do. And how we do it in the timing. But we do it the right way. And I think a lot of the times we're talking to the kids we we're talking to the parents do because our biggest message, you know, the kids, you know. And and really to the parents is where we're here to win obviously here to win the right way. But more importantly, we're here to build better better. Young men, you know, learning how to fail. Learn how to react to failure learning. How to exceed the right way learning how to work hard. Learn how at work people wondering what that gives us what life lessons that that we take and how that trans how we can transition that into school into relationships into business into our job. You know, we're we're trying to lay those those those ground those those that that base, you know, for these young kids through flex, and I think a lot of times nowadays, you know, see people getting get getting rid of Jim getting rid PE. And you know, I mean, if you really look at from phil- logical standpoint, you know, we're we're mammals, you know, we're. Humans, you know? And I think I think young man, especially with the introduction of testosterone. At that age. They need an outlet for for that. And for that, you know activity 'cause I always say my house household to the perfect man is a young man just physically worn out. You know, 'cause it seems to be when that's when there's piece of the house, you know, and when things are things, nice and smooth. So having having outlet in having it done the right way as always been important to me. Yeah. We try to do the same thing here. Jason I have three boys and a girl we try to tie them out as much as possible at least make bedtime easier for us, but one of the challenges, without of course, right now is technology, the ipads video games fortnight in particular, YouTube and all that other stuff. So are your kids into all that? And how do you kind of handle the technology? I honestly, I think it's kind of a huge issue that I don't think we talk about enough society was with the the games as the phones and and truthfully. And now there's a lot of parents that were friends with it. Have the same same beliefs. That's the that's their currency. Right. So if there's any missteps any misbehavior immediate, you know, go after the phones go after the ipad go after the video game machines because that gets their attention quickly. But I also try to minimize it in the sense of like wasn't. We're not going to be on it when we when when I see them, you know, I pick them up. I leave I come home big him up taking a practice and that time in the car. There's no phones on I wanna have a conversation with you guys. I wanna find out what's going on your life and your day. I've always asked the kids. I see him. Tell me one thing he learned school today. You know, and I often get a very good answer. But I still consistently ask them in choir about them, but you know, having those clear boundaries when they can use them when they can't use them because their kids, you know, they don't know any better. You know, this is awesome. Only use it. You know? So we we take him away often. But then we also trying to you know, outline when they should and shouldn't be using them. Yeah. It's a struggle for many parents. Ashore jason. And we're the last generation that knows what it's like to grow up without all this kind of technology. So it'll be interesting to see when these younger guys that have grown up with this their entire lives. Once they start becoming dads and just to see how they're gonna handle it. That's for sure it was I power went out the other night. And no power already had made them Dr phones because we're having some we're just hanging out in the Sunday. And I was like man, we can turn it back a few more centuries. You know, what we had tricky? And I was like, you know, what I think we need to plan a camping trip, you know, or willy willy the phones the phones in the backpacks yet definitely how about discipline. Jason what type of disciplinarian are you with three boys? I would say I'm pretty pretty strong the discipline. You know, it'd be the the parent has a little more of it. But I like to get unique with it. Because if you're if you're not uncomfortable. I think I'm doing a bad job with my discipline and just you're you're grounded. I'm taking your phone. I like step further, you know, whether we have we have a gym in our house. So guess what? Go get me medicine ball from downstairs. Now, you're gonna be walking down the stairs medicine ball above your head. You know, and if the two of them are fighting. And you're you're over here doing wall sits so you're doing burpee, you know, and then we'll just wear them out. And if they you know, they keep having attitude keep doing it. And so I like to be creative, you know, or or if it's like, hey, once you go out and stack all those pavers stones that we just had delivered over here in perfectly perfectly square to do swear. You know, whatever I can come up with. And and I I like it to be unique and uncomfortable. I like that. And I did see that navy seal quote in your bio there, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I've been extremely honored to have at least two dozen frogmen on the podcast here. I just love their philosophy and everything that they stand for. It's really incredible. It's it's such a true statement. And I I have I coach my real estate agents and managers on weekly basis, we valuate, and that's one of the biggest things I tell like my newest real today. I said listen first thing you do getting comfortable get used to it. I said because everything you're going to do for me. Now, it's gonna be uncomfortable. You know, calling some of the phone you don't know and trying to get them. To sell the house, or let's say house for you. All those things you're not gonna don't know meeting. Someone you don't know like you have to get comfortable there. And honestly, as as you know, you luminated with the navy seals, and I've had the opportunity to sit in front of numerous seals and hear what they had to say. And hear their viewpoints is. That's that's where that's anything. Good. That happens. You're uncomfortable. Like you're exhausted. You're worn out. You're tired. You're pushing yourself limits. Push yourself past the point where you think push yourself anymore, and that's good stuff happens. So it's a it's a mantra that I believe in for example. And my boys room, we have a little sang kind of on a little poster we made says bad boys are are are willing to do things that others cannot will not do. So it's a daily reminder yet, I do like to relate the philosophy of getting comfortable being uncomfortable to father itself because in so many ways the first time we become dad's. We are a bit uncomfortable with all of it. I mean, the diaper changes the all nighters and the. Beginning. I mean, we all have to adjust and certainly it brings a lot of guys out of their comfort zone. It's messy, and it's thirty. I mean, I honestly I'll share some person with you for me personally. I mean, I'm I'm pretty emotional emotionless in the sense of like, you know, I can you know, something's going on. I can usually make very clear decision. But the flip side of that it it's always been a struggle for me to be in tune emotionally with, you know, my wife on, you know, and, you know, or even the kids in that sense, you know, or to really, express empathy or understanding or grace. It's you know, it's always something that for me that was that was very uncomfortable spot for me, you know. So it's like one of those things where you had a practice. What you preach. So being comfortable means a lot of different things. I think a lot of people in different situations. Yeah. Very well said all right. You've had so many accomplishments here already. You're busy with the real estate. What kind of plans are goals? You happy self a future. I think the biggest thing on our generate. Now is we're getting ready to the point where we want to start franchising, and we want we only. A unique approach franchise because I have so many former athletes not just what ball guys that get done with their sport, you know, and there's been a whole life with his craft working on his craft. And now they cannot use x crafty more unless they wanna go into front office or coaching and a lot of them end up. And as you probably well know and owning gyms selling medical sales by selling life insurance, financial planning real estate. And and the reason I I love real as much because there's no ceiling and what we're getting ready to do is. We're gonna franchise resum to retired athletes and or spouses in there, you know, city that, you know, they played in, you know, 'cause it's it's kind of part of our brand, you know, because some brother offices, I have other guys that played football that run our other offices or or have part ownership in their offices and other states, and those cities that we've recently opened up and it's such a unique because there's no ceiling. I mean, when when you're in real estate, you know, you can do small deal. You can do a commercial. Deal you can package deals together. There's you know, however, you want you want to run it like, it's it's almost you can customize in that sense, and you can make make the most out of it. What whatever it is that you want to get out of it. And I'm going to grow the brand nationwide. That's a fantastic idea. Jason sounds like a home run ball to me lasting. I wanna hit you with here. I love to ask all the data that I get on the podcast, what type of advice? Do you have that new dad or for that about to be father who's out there listening? Well, I think the hardest thing for me because I'm you know, you're I think I think men are selfish at the core. And I mean that in a good way because it's it's it's our I would say it's in hard DNA part of our survival to be selfish because if you're not you're not gonna survive I would say to really understand what it's like to be selfless because to make make that new dad that new dad relationship, really, really work. You have to be selfless. And it's it's something I think is foreign to a lot of young men. Especially well said I love the message. You are a first class father all the way. And I gotta say Jason Batman. Thank you so much. Give me a few minutes of your time on first class. Fatherhood. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Keep doing good work. Okay. I'm back with a couple of closing thoughts. Just a second here. Back to wrap things up here on first class. Fatherhood. Gotta give a special. Thank you. Once again, Jason bobbins, they giving me a few minutes of his time here. It was so cool. Please set me up on Twitter guys me that DM over on Instagram. I always loved the regia feedback and lock it in still a lot more action. Coming your way this week. You're just getting started here tomorrow after Alexander Cain of the movie on plan, which is doing very well at the box office right now Wednesday, we got a warrior Wednesday podcast for you with Jason would Thursday. We got entrepreneur extraordinary grant, car, don't and then Friday, and the may fighter. Eric Anders will be here to get you guys pumped up for UFC two thirty six. All right. That's all. I got you guys today on you have been listening to first place. Fatherhood. And please remember guys. We are not babysitters. We are farmers, and we're not just fathers. We are first class fathers. Man. So. Joke sometime I open. No. Towelettes?

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#177 Eryk Anders

First Class Fatherhood

16:52 min | 2 years ago

#177 Eryk Anders

"Yeah. Lace? Welcome to first-class fatherhood. Welcome everybody to sold. One seventy seven of the podcast. I am happy as always the be here with you. Thank you for stopping by. If this is your first time listening to the podcast, please get over there and subscribe button. Do not wanna miss all the action that it's coming your way right here on first-class fatherhood. All right, dad's, my guest today will be fighting in the octave gone tomorrow night in UFC, thirty six middleweight, Eric Anders, my guest on the show today and tomorrow, he will be taking on Khalil Roundtree. It what will be one of the main events on the card. So what an exciting way to close out. What has been just an incredible week on the podcast here? We started off on Monday with former first round NFL draft pick Jason Baben, and then we had one of the actors from the hit movie. Unplanned Alexander Cain. We had a warrior Wednesday with Jason would he's an army combat veteran and then yesterday force entrepreneur extraordinaire grant card don't stop buys. So we have been all over the map here, and the dads have dished out some great advice. They've shared some amazing stories with us. So please be sure to go back and listen to all of them. Check them out at. Your leisure. They're all available right there in the archives next week is going to be no different. I'm gonna hit you guys at another five banger. I'll throw two guests set you right now. And if you've been following me over on Instagram at Alec underscore lace than you know, exactly who I'm about to hit you with and that's going to be former NFL quarterback Jordan Palmer and actor Barry Sloane, those are two of the guests that will be here. Friday. I'm going to have a frog made Friday. So follow me on Instagram. The find out just which navy seal will be joining me here as well. As who the other guests will be all, right. I just watched the preview of the new lion. King movie that's coming out this summer, and I don't know who's more excited about seeing it me or my kids because it looked really unbelievable. The G I has come a long way here. And I have a feeling this movie is going to take it to a whole 'nother level. I mean, I will never forget the feeling that I had the first time I saw Jurassic Park in the movie theater. How I was just mesmerized and blown away by the realism of the dinosaurs. In that. And I have an idea that this movie is gonna come close to that. Wow. Nece factor as far as the graphics are concerned. So I will definitely be taking all my kids to see that. And I'm even going to reach out to some of the voice actors. In the film. The if I can't snag one of them for an interview here on the podcast. So stay tuned for any updates on that all right? And as far as today goes, I've had a few dads on the show here that have practiced MA and trained Brazilian jujitsu. But this is the first professional UFC fighter that I've had on the show. So I'm very excited about that. So let's get into the action right now. Fatherhood rocks. Family values rule and every day by day right here with me, and I'm going to jump into the action now with middleweight Eric Anders. I'm Alec lace. And you're listening to first-class fatherhood. I cannot say thank you enough to all the listeners out there. You'll hear a word from my sponsors in the middle of today's interview if you'd like to help me make first class fatherhood, Ed free, please consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by hitting the link in the description of today's podcast episode. All right. And joining me now is a first class father. He is a former college football defensive standout who played linebacker for the Alabama crimson tide where he wanting national championship. He has since moved from the gridiron to the octagon where he is a professional UFC middleweight and tomorrow night. He will be squaring off against Khalil Roundtree in Atlanta, Georgia, it is a big privilege for me to say, Eric Anders. Welcome to first-class fatherhood on threes. All right. Let's get underway here. How many kids do you have? And how old are they got two boys nine and seven also, what type of sports activities that are boys into man there and all kinds of things the the under ones into soccer, ju jitsu boxing, the one he's into football boxing and track or you just track. Very cool. Now, do you get involved with the coaching at all or do you like to enjoy it from the sideline? I do the both. You know, it's been a while coaching this. I'm kind of taking the backseat that just watching joined his father instead of coach. Yeah. I definitely enjoy both sides of it myself. All right, Eric, please hit my listeners a little bit about your background. And what you do. I'm a current UFC middleweight and light heavyweight fighting again Khalil round against clear around. Sure. Junior in Leonard, Georgia, sell cool. Yeah. I pumped up for tomorrow. Tonight. It's going to be lit. Tell me how old were you? When you first became a dad and had to becoming a father kinda change your perspective on life. Twenty two and you know, to that point everything was, you know, me, you know, I could do whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I'm so you got responsibility. So definitely had to grow up a little bit. But you know, definitely enjoy the process and the journey well sad. And I know you had a tremendous college football career you want a national championship game with the crimson tide. You picked up by the Cleveland Browns. What was the spark on the inspiration to kind of lead you into the octagon all my my football career ended and doing the nine five, you know, just kinda bored. Living my going to work come home, eat sleep, repeat and manages outlet blossom steam, whatever's I walk into a gym or trying to fill up just is just it was something I could do. Yeah. That's amazing Eric now do your boys. Come and see the fights live or do you kind of keep them away from the live action? No, you know, they they come to every fight. You know, their fans they watch the game. They watched the fight. They watch other fighters fight. You know, they come up with game plans. Tell me what what they think. I should do you know that they're all the way. Yeah. That's awesome. Erik and I'll tell you this the Brazilian jujitsu have become more and more popular each and every year. I mean when I was a kid we thought that the karate kid was on the cutting edge of mixed martial arts. So it has exploded since then what was your first introduction to all of them. If martial arts think about twenty four I think it was the first thing I got into gone to strike apart. So you, you know, twenty three twenty four you know, somewhere net age age range. Wow. Okay. Did you do any karate or anything like that? When you were kid or you just dose rate into this and your twenties. Nah, I wrestled a little bit. When I was in high school, I got JV level experience resume, and it was always my favorite sport. You know, we moved with changed high schools high school. We'd move to didn't have wrestlers. I wrestle has. My first menu. But I always my favorite sport. So I figured you did something similar to. So, you know, dive in that that will in that a little bit. Wow. Okay. And what have been some of the challenges Eric of being a professional UFC fighter while being a dad. Everybody needs their time. You know, fighting training and stuff, you know. That's my lively I spent a lot of time in the gym that could be spending with my kids. You know? Luckily for me, my kids train at the same gym that actually not. So, you know, while I'm there they can be there. You know? It's cool. We're all kind of doing the same thing. Good stuff. All right. How about discipline Eric? I mean, you're a pretty intense guy on the football field in the octagon. But how are you when it comes to dishing out the discipline year boys as a father, you know, my kids know, how to behave the one of the like, whatever when it's appropriate to you know, behave differently. You know, if we're inside I was not running around. Jumping you know. Yeah. If we're outside, you know, have that do you think things just you know, I was one of my kids knowing this appropriate to do what? All right is time to get an important word from our sponsors. And then back with more from every Anders on alligators. And you're listening to first class fatherhood. First glance fatherhood is being brought to you in part by borough borough makes simple innovative furniture for modern life at home. They're award-winning sofa is packed full of clever. Features and thoughtful touches that'll make you wonder why you didn't upgrade your living room, situation sooner. I love the fact that I can easily add or remove seats as I need them. And the cushions are so comfortable with a built in charge of between them. So I don't have to worry about blocking the wall outlets. Give your living room, the upgrade it deserves with a borough sofa and right now, I class father who listeners can get seventy five dollars off a new sofa and free one week shipping by visiting borough dot com slash I that's B U R O W dot com slash I for seventy five dollars off a new sofa against a borough for supporting first-class fatherhood. Hi, I'm Alex lace host of first-class fatherhood. Now, you've heard me interview dad's like NFL hall of famers navy seals entrepreneurs actors and many more on my show. I land fatherhood at one of the challenges for many of us dads is the technology and the video games. And I have found a simple solution to this problem through the Serb that game show at there are times that entertaining your kids can be a trade off between what they wanna see. And what you want them to see. Right. Well, there's a new game show style app for kids five to eight or even for the whole family that we've good messages into fun. The Sirnak game show app covers politeness social responsibility. How we treat ourselves and others and more in a trivia style game that is a blast of play. The characters are fun to watch. There's good humor and really great music in the game. Need the characters and find out more about the surge game show at Certa dot com. That's S. I R D A P P dot com. All right. How about the technology Eric because my kids are crazy with the fortnight and all the YouTube and stuff like that. It's a struggle for many of his parents out here, myself included, how do you kinda handle or deal with all technology your kids? Kids. They can only watch sports on on you to this guy's. They were getting into watching some weird stuff. I kids screaming at WalMart and knocking stuff off the shelf. And I was like man, I don't want them to say that that, you know, acceptable behavior, you know, so we're kinda limit what they can in can't watch on the that's on its we don't let them sit. There knows. I, you know, I tell my kids you don't have to do like martial arts, and football and other sports, but you have to do something else. Whether you playing chess music, whatever, and you gotta have an extracurricular activity that doesn't involve technology like that. Yeah. I like that philosophy Eric because I mean these devices have become super addictive, and we don't even know what the long term effects of all this stuff are yet. Yeah. I want them to get that physical activity that I think a lot of kids are missing these days just kind of seven Terry lifestyles and. Whatnot. So Johnny boy that much possible. Very cool. All right. Are you planning on having any more kids or you'll set? Man. I don't know, man. I got nine or seven year old just to that. As kinda taken off of them for a little bit. You know, then go outside running around kind of thing with the I worried too much. So I don't know. I don't know that's up in the air while I'll tell you what Africa my end, I had my three boys. First. And then we were blessed with a little girl, and it has been a whole new experience. I'm sure, you know, I'd be this office dad's ever have girl too. Yeah. And it does bring a whole new set of changes to table for sure. And our oldest is about to be a teenager. We're only two weeks away. So that's gonna bring with it. A whole new set of changes as well. Oh, there's minimum hormones are. All right. One thing. I'm curious to ask you about here. Eric is because I just recently had a marine on the podcast here. That's a bullying expert and the whole subject of bullying, you know, it's always a hot topic here for parents. Have you had any experience with your boys as far as being bullied or being the bully? And how do you kinda teach them to handle a bully situation? You know, I now my kids have been bullied, but you know, I always kinda let them I let them know the difference between somebody who's playing, and you know, someone who's intending. Like harm or whatever. I think we're going is a pretty broad. You know words, so I teased. You are they belittling you are. They, you know, listen to what's going on here. So it's definitely a bit confusing now Eric because when I was a kid most of the stuff that I do my friends we were breaking each other's balls. And that would be considered a bullying today. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yes. What's kind of tough to know where that line is? Yeah, you know. I just I I felt onto what is there in San trying to hurt your feelings. Okay. Said listen, walkaway, whatever. But you know, my kids trying so you know, if if it does get physical. They know how to handle the situation. Yeah. That's the key to it. And that's one of the best things about the mixed martial arts and the Brazilian jujitsu. Is that confidence that does bring for sure? All right. Well, tomorrow night. You got the big fight with Khalil Roundtree. What can we expect to see in the fight? I think it'll be fireworks. I think you know, he's a fast starter he likes the bunny. So I guess we're going bang, and we'll meet the mill gloves, and you know, I think we'll get right to dam. Yeah. I can't wait to see the fight Eric. It's going to be explosive. What kind of post fight rituals? Do you have do you? Go on vacation after the fight is over the gonna go right back into the gym. Really depends those you know. In my heart twenty to sit out was it a quick one. You know, how I feel? I get beat up whatever, you know. So I think you know, me, and my wife we try to leave the country at least once a year. So we already plans to go to lot the November. So say we can't squeeze winning before. Then. Okay. Very cool. What kind of goals are playing have yourself or after the octagon? Have you thought about what you're gonna do it yourself? Once you're m may career comes to an end. Or are you kind of just taking that one fight at a time for now? No, we're definitely like, you know, looking long-term outside when I've done 'cause you know, sport, you know, great anything can happen to be career ending. So, you know, trying to invest our money, you know, let our money make money. All right. Last thing. I'm gonna hit you it here. Eric I love to ask all the data. Get on the podcast, what type of advice? Do you have that new dad or for that about to be father who's out there listening? Just video that you want your kids to see, you know, 'cause some that I've noticed that I've gotten older my kids have gotten older, you know, they're paying more attention than you think they are, you know, they're remodeling their life and personality and things after what they've served and stuff. So, you know, just be the person that you want your kids. The. Good stuff. I love the advice. Eric anders. You are a first class father. I wish you the best of luck tomorrow night in the fight. And I got to say thank you so much for giving me a few minutes of your time on first class fatherhood. Okay. I'm back to wrap things up and just a second year. Back to wrap things up here on first class. Fatherhood. I gotta give a special. Thank you. Once again to Rick Anders. Forgive me, a few minutes of his time here. It was so cool sent me up on Twitter guys or DM over on Instagram thought about today's episode and lock it in for next week five Bangor coming out, you this has been an incredible journey for me this week a lot of dance from all over the map dishing out some great advice sharing. Some awesome experiences with us. So be sure to go back through the archives. Check out some of the podcast, you may have missed and don't forget to mention this podcast that any father in your neighborhood or in your contact list. Let's help this podcast keep growing keep expanding. I can't say thank you enough to all of your listeners out there for all your support. That's all I got for you guys today on lace. You have been listening to first class fatherhood. And please remember guys, we are not babysitters. We are fathers, and we're not just fathers. We are first class bothers. Sophie. I open. No.

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MMA Show #64 with Khalil Rountree Jr.

The Joe Rogan Experience

2:26:27 hr | 2 years ago

MMA Show #64 with Khalil Rountree Jr.

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So please download the cash app today. My guest today. Is an outstanding up and coming MMA fighter. Really interesting guy who has a great story of how he changed and transformed his life. And I was very impressed by his most recent performance at the USC against Eric Anders, and he's just a real fee. Numb. I'm I'm a huge fan of this guy. So please and even more so after talking to him, so please give it up for Khalil Roundtree junior. The Joe Rogan experience. Podcast by. What's up, man? How are you? Good. Thanks for doing this. Thank you for having on. I was so impressed with your performance from that past you say that I had had talked to you. I was like that was I've seen guys make like you're always a very dangerous striker from obviously from the Gokhale sake fight every everybody got to see that. But to see how fluid you were against a beast like Eric Anders arrogant is a scary cat. Yeah. He's he's coming for blood. Right. You were so fast. It was crazy to watch. It's really interesting. Thank you. What if you had to give yourself a percentage leap that you've gone up over the last year? What do you think it would be compared to like who you were before that? Not the high leap. I mean, the highlight that performance for me was like I feel good about it. But that was only four months. So I'm like, I know that there's so much more for me to gain. That's I'm like, you gotta go back. So the leap not not too much because I know there's still a lot more to go a lot more. Yeah. Wow. So you've decided so for people don't understand what we're talking about. You went to Thailand spent four months down in Thailand. And you you we're fight like Thai box crazy like Martel grata who works in the production truck picks out the instant replays. He and I talked back and forth sometimes while the fights going on and my market with his heavy Boston accent like dude classic. He's classic KYW's stance. Huge. It's still light on that front. Inside leg kick was so ferocious, and it's fun to watch men. So it's just usually wherever I go. I've always been good. I just like kind of absorbing the culture, I'm guy like I can go into a room full of people, and I can just kind of pick up what the energies like. And that's another reason why wanted to go to Thailand. So just the way that they trained and. The discipline the power, but the relaxation like everything I was learning just like, then there's so much more to more tie. I would just even the days that I didn't train. I just sit around and just watch these guys because more ties more than just punching kicking elbows men balance. You know what? I mean, there's there's repetition like how many kicks are you throwing you know, the guys at the stadiums. Air like kick kick kick kick. So I was able to learn a lot my they're still a lot to go. It's beautiful to see someone on that pursuit. And I think it's it's much like Roger Mayweather said about boxing, like most people don't know shit about boxing lay said that was like if anybody is going to say that he's going to say that because they are levels in layers. And there's there's paths to go down. It's interesting when you see someone like committed with very very specific style like your like your adoption of that Moi out. So it's so effective has a striking style. It's really interesting when you think of all the different ways to attack with striking that one way became very particularly successful. You know, before I even started training ima may as a whole my first mixed martial my first martial arts class with tied class. I knew that I wanted to train more tired. Learn we. And so since I've started I always thought like, yeah. I want to go there. You know, just maybe it's cool. But. Moi ties always been my thing. But I never really learned it like the actual way, you know, like from the root of where it comes from always just kind of like passed down like Brazilian style. Moi tie. Right. You know, like shoot the box type stuff. So that's completely different from stadium tie. And most people don't know shit about stadium ties like unless you go to unless you go to Bangkok. Let's characterize it for people do say that the Qura Tiba styles just way more aggressive different different way. They utilize techniques. Yeah. It's not light on the front leg. So sometimes the more show gun would be light on his front leg a little bit one thing that they were doing a lot. That's pretty similar as they go at it. Shoot the box. I'll go at him. You just go until the other guy stops pretty much, but from the shoot the box. I was like very combo based like punches and kicks like one to like you have to memorize these. Crazy combos Cordeiro is. He like, I think he's one of the guys that just like passed it down along the lame that guys like that they have the system, and it's very like combination based memory, slipping punch kick all the stuff. But the ties are just like, it's just straight kick punch view. You fall down on that front foot elbow knee. It's just it's broken down completely differently. It's just a whole whole different style. Yeah. It is like so the the shoot box stuff has punches kicks knees. Elbows combination. Same tools that you're gonna use him tie. Taiba? More ties got a whole different game plan. You know, clinching like I've never trained as much clinching in America as I have in Thailand in just four months and have been fighting our training now for nine years. So just in four months have gotten more clinch time in Thailand than I have in my whole career because it's a whole different game. You gotta master the clinch in die. You have to for effective like real true multi you getting a lot of wrestling over there. Yeah. So that's one thing too. I heard I heard shop talking about tiger has amazing like is an amazing, Jim. Forty to sixty guys on the mat from everywhere Chechnya while you know, everywhere everywhere, man, those guys they come there maybe for week, maybe two weeks maybe for a month. But you're getting constant good training grappling everything in may boxing cross fit. Everything you need in one place. It's a blew my mind being there, honestly, that's fascinating. And your are. You the coaches that you were working with before I still working with them and Thailand or you're just going to. I know you talked about actually moving to Thailand. Yeah. Yeah. The plan is to move there. Like as soon as possible. Really? Yeah. So I was like hitting you up like Joe wanna get on your show. I wanna talk a little bit. But yeah, I wanna the plan is to move to Thailand like with the next couple of weeks for at least a year. And I wanna go there just because. I can just train the lifestyles completely different. I can walk to the gym hop on a motorbike. It's just it's so simple. But to answer the question about, my coaches, I always have my brother and my corner. He's just kind of like more support. We started this together. I had a conditioning coach slash friends slash mental type of like support Lorenzo Pavlova. And then my head coaches had switched probably two or three times in the last couple of fights. I had Kenny Jonsson from black house John would from syndicate. And now, I have George Hickman from tiger tie. Yeah. And so this change the you decided to make did it come after the Johnny Walker fight. Yeah. So the Johnny Walker fi like that campus tough man like I was doing so much to try to improve my wrestling and grappling because. That was always like a big hole in my game. So I spent so much time wrestling over at black house with Kevin Casey. And this guy that I fought Blake troop, they're huge. And these guys are great grappler. So in cases of power home. Yeah. He'll put you into the ground and feels like cement block yourselves old school, Hicks and jujitsu exactly pressure meant so. How would I was just grinding myself into the everyday for that camp expecting like, okay, I'm comfortable on the feet. If it goes to the ground. I'm ready and. I think I'd just completely lost sight of like, my striking my Moi Dineh fight his size everything. I just kind of froze up, man. I was just like I didn't know what to do how to get there. So let's all part of the education. Right. I mean, this is what does this career of fighting that you're you're on this path is what it's all about. Yeah. And fighting for me is like big self awareness to you know, I think it's always important though. When a guy has setback to see how he responds some people get discouraged, some people get in courage, some people just decide they're going to be much more committed. And that's what you did. You just making that move to do your camp in Thailand and seeing how paid off. I mean, Eric Anders is a very tough customer, and you sensually shot him out. Yeah. And it was very very impressive, man. That was the that was the plan though, because I knew he was telling he's type of them before I sparred with them before that everything. And like he's I've watched all of his fights guys hard to put away we're making a case for the fight being stopped. Yeah. We're making a case. I mean DC is saying like we can stop this. Fight. I was saying I was like you're your fucking his legs up this about it during the fight. I wasn't sure you weren't. But that guy so damned tough. He kept coming man. I mean, he he never stopped trying to win that fight. Now. There's no question him nine. I mean, even in the Santos fight. Remember, it would just would do or die tweets. He's like I haven't been tired since like my wedding night or something like that. He's always got good good tweets after the air hander love with John antics to he loves what he fights. Because then Bruce buffer has to say you boy. You're bored. Heard. What is it? Where does keep a suits meant. He's got a new mother. Oh, motherfucker do the insides of always has like different decorations come over eight different places where we're at Bruce buffer. He's he's got style. I just imagined him have a level on his house. Just all. Oh, yeah. You know, what I mean to the Nordstrom or something, but his all suits that warm before. I mean, I'm less. He donates. He might donate them to charity that might be one of our auction them for charity or something like that. That'd be good. Yeah. Yeah. He's a he's a fun, dude. He's the best ring announcer of all time to when that guy starts wailing. He gets so pumped up there as fuck. It had gets. He's so intense. You watch boxing. They're much more smooth who's buffering. Digs in. I remember seeing him I yell at like at T J dillashaw. And he was like oh shit. He gives you goosebumps. Really? Does it gives you goosebumps? Yeah. You just feel the energy, right? You're like, I'm their weight ready for fight. Like, I'm kind of nervous. And then Bruce comes over like. Yeah. Blue Corey like talking about dude who blew his ACL out from jumping up. And while he was reading name, Tennessee gets brassiere. Fuck this knee up from just getting crazy. Oh, Joe really quick. What we've got. Okay. So remember, I told you to turn your airdrop on during the show. So I didn't wanna come here empty-handed Lee. So I haven't slept in probably. Twenty four hours more than twenty four hours. But last night, I was drawing, and I know you like art sounds like let me draw these illustrations for you. So I just want to send them to you. Okay. So turn your airdrop on its on. And soon as it comes through send him. But. Yeah, I really just like, man. I just wanna if you wanna keep them use them for like wallpapers or post them up. Whatever you want. I made this. Yeah. I did all these men. Do. I look ridiculous. Yeah. I did the little like. I'll put it on Instagram later Cooman. It's very cute. Well, it looks like me can ugly as I get older pictures me when I was. When I was. You in the gym. And you had like crazy. I actually show you the the the actual one Israel. I know what you're talking about you know, talking about. Yeah. I was going crazy during the stupid CHA fitness challenge. Having with my friends, we were working out to six hours of cardio a day trying to beat each other. So stupid nothing else taken that picture is a good one Kalemie let me copy that. And so when you decide to move a you take anybody with you you go solo. I'm going to start off going solo. I would like to get you know, my brother to come. Visit. I'd like him mom to come out really as many smelter. Yeah. Yeah. And and just cheap and just kind of simple living my, and my mom, I don't think she's ever left the country. So I think it'd be really cool for her to go out there. But at the moment, I'm just really like this place is great for my career right now. Breaking my training. So I just wanna get their ace and how get back to work. Sorry. How do you account for jetlag? Like, do you? Do you just like do you give yourself enough time to adjust to the time difference? You know, what the whole time? I was there. I would my sleep schedule was off I never adjusted. So I was going to bed. Maybe two thirty AM every morning then like get up run at five. And then, you know, just tired later get later Gadul is all off. And then when I came back it took me like a week or two to adjust. So I was. I was disappointed. How stupid my body was that he'd dummy go to bed? Now, I'm telling you just go to bed now. Like, I didn't know my body had such a rigid schedule when you Jack that thing sideways, and you're on the other side of the planet. Your body. Just really doesn't know what the fuck is going on seriously. And then for me being stuck in that plane for so long. Yes. Like YouTube big from the middle seats to and so when you do that if safe you have a fight in Vegas, you're gonna go from Thailand Vegas. Do you show up two weeks early? Yeah. Well, this is my first time flying back to the states after being in Thailand, and I flew a week early. No. I flew two weeks early one week. I stayed in Vegas. And then fight we stayed in Atlanta. And no think that was perfect timing. Oh, that's good. So like, you get a little difference in time between those weather. It's so hot like we train outside and humid and hot. So between every round it feels like. You know, the third round of a fight. If we're going into the championship rounds, I've never been there. But I'd imagine that it feel very shitty. And that's how it feels every round in Thailand. Just like you're covered in sweat hot thick. Yeah. That was probably like my fifth round or something like that. And we do it all dead by this point. Shoutout to the editor for making me, not look as tired as was. Yeah. So we're we're looking at folks for the people who are just listening as a bunch of videos of you training strength conditioning, powering up against the the wall. So you get everything down there. Yeah. And that's Joseph Hanley right there. He was on the on the ultimate fighter. I forgot. What season they call them Leonardus? He's a black belt out there. And he helped me out a lot, man. There's you run into so many different people, and he's like like black belt when he type of grappling. You want any positions? You wanna work like we'll go over it will create a system, whatever. So he was really big help in the nation for this fight a bunch of free spirits live in there. Right. So many many. But everybody's on there with a goal. They wanna get in shape. They want to get healthy or. Yeah. Spiritual path. Whatever it, maybe there's something romantic about the ex Pat living in Thailand having a good time, you know, romantic about that. So it's interesting. That's really cool. Yeah. I mean that whole culture, man. I mean, the the Thai immortal culture what a phenomenon if you look at. Combat sports and the this one that it's so tied into the stadiums. Had so tied into gambling admitting its kids get indoctrinated into it at a very young young super young. There's guys at the gym that I was at a little kids they'd come right after school, and they go to more tied training and their training just like the older guys. And then they go right back to like, homey dinner, but that's just their lifestyle. So it starts as a kid. It's like go to school Moi tie. Go sleep. And then as an adult so like Motai feed your family tie feed your family these guys live at the gym shoes. They live at the gym. And they go home, maybe two days after a fight just to take care of the families. And then come right back to the gym and get ready for the next height. Now, of course at tiger Moi tie. You've guys everybody knows diff- various people in different organizations, you have see Bella tour. What have you one FC? But what about those guys that are fighting in those little small and stadiums? Like how much access to they have to grappling or how do they ever do? Do. They are they satisfied to just do more tires here at all like a movement in Thailand. Especially at tiger. A lot of those guys are coming over to the and learning jujitsu and wrestling one of the guys I was learning to clinch from. He was like he's got probably three hundred fights. Three hundred Thai fights, and he started training in may and taking him, and may so it's they're they're definitely opened in their mind to it and hopping in there, and there's access and Bangkok it's a little different because that's very like stadium based high level. Oh tie, and they're not to focused on a may there couple of gyms. But if you want to do that if you want to get the best of both worlds it's in. It's a tiger. So in is there any MMA at all in Bangkok? They got a couple of places but nothing with like at like providers or any high level fighters, but they do have they do have maybe three or four anime gyms there with just stop an inner guys practice. You know, a little bit of everything I'm always really interested in countries that figure something out better than everybody else when it comes to leg kicking like nobody figured it out any better than the ties. It's like no one argues that right? No seriously. And they're sheds, man. Like, I think there's that's done for they don't even feel the front of their legs anymore because they can kick anything and they're getting kicked checked. There's guys that Joe. They'll fight one night at the stadium. Go five rounds, and then sleep and maybe the next day. Go fight like another small event or smaller sometime even in the same night. And it's like man, aren't you like your shins? Don't hurt your elbows. No hurt nothing in these guys. They're just like they're bullet. They're used to this. It's crazy. Wow. And their first time in my life. I go into a locker room and the red and blue corner is both in the same room. Probably as big as the studio, and they're all getting their hands wrapped together getting massaged out together. Everything no weird energy in the room like in the AFC like they separate us. We have to kind of be separate whatever purposes. But like in Thailand, they're just like hanging out same room, you know, talking whatever. And then they just go fight right after it's so weird. Like the piece it's it's so weird, man. That was the first time I experienced that. And I was like maybe I can start lighten up a little bit like it's only a fight. And that's kind of something I had to tell myself for this one. I had to like really fall back and rely on my training because I was really nervous. I was nervous to start. To try the new stuff that I learned out. I never through many kicks in any of my fights. I've never really did that stance. Everything that I did was pretty much brand new. And I was really nervous. I was like what if it doesn't work. You know, like so many different so many different feelings and for this. When I the only thing I can tell myself as like rely on your training and a few other things I actually got I got hypnotized to before. Yeah. Do. Who did to my friend Dominique he has. He has like I met him through one of one of the other UFC fighters like Julia Marquez, a med a met him through him. And he's like, oh, yeah. I do like hypnotism all this stuff. I'm like, okay. Cool. I've done it before I didn't California. And so I think three weeks two or three weeks prior to the fight. We had a few sessions a week where just like helped me to really get that visualization clear because we have so many thoughts all the time, right and everything just like thoughts are constantly coming in to stay focused and to really like like. Get the outcome that we set our intention to it's kinda hard so many distractions. So when you go into his office, and or wherever you do it. Then you guys talk about it. Do you set a goal before you start the session? We do this. Call time line therapy. So it's like, I'm just kind of sitting there with my eyes closed, and we kind of just do this. We'll pick a subject, whether it's like, you know, pain fear, you know, nervousness, something we'll just pick a subject of feeling whatever's going on and. It's kind of just like a visual time line of like where did the star or from what's event, whatever? And we kind of just talk about that for a while. And I just. Kind of dig to this place of where the nervousness is coming from or where the, you know, where the fears coming from or whatever I kinda just find a place on my time line. And I dig from it whether it's in the future of the past, whatever. And then we get things clear, and then and then after that he kind of helps me guides me into this like hypnotism, which is really just like a really deep relaxation. If I wanted to open my eyes or something like that. I feel like I could. But I wanted to relax. I wanted this to help, you know, I wanted my vision to be clear so a demo just like surrender to the process, and I'd say it's not something where I woke up, and I was like, oh, yeah. My life has changed. But I can definitely remember the thoughts that I had. So that I can stay more on like in in that lane of what I wanted and in my in my hypnotism, actually visualized not winning the fight. Because I didn't wanna strive to hard to win. Like, it's just something that I've been kind of studying it's like the outcome is not really like the winning or losing. I don't wanna base too much on that. I just wanna put on like a great performance. So I visited after one thing hand like just having my hands in the air seeing my brother smile, my coach smile, and then slapping hands with the crowd on the way out. And then also like, and I wanna see my win-bonus and my show money. And these are the things that I wanted to see these are the outcomes that I wanted not so much just I want to win the fight. But the things that I like how I wanted it to happen. Yeah. And having that vision clear it helped me, and so like everything that I visualize before that it happened like cool hands raise slap hands with everybody on the crowd the way out sign both my checks, and that was like that was the end of it for me until the next session until I wanna get clear on something else. You know, it was cool. Wow. So had you did anything like that before any mental coaching before they go occupy. I did something very similar. Yeah. With with another guy was up the first time you've ever done it. First time doing hypnotism. Yeah. Definitely. And. Yeah. My friend Matthias he's here, and he's really good too. And he'll just like take some notes, you kinda just have a conversation in the beginning and everything comes from young conscious. Mon it's not somebody telling you, something I just dumped out, whatever my own conscious mind was telling me he was just helping me to like relax be at peace and just listen to my own conscious mind just. Unfold all of these kind of like hidden answers that we all have, you know? So that's it now when you get hypnotized, and you thinking about a specific fight, do you think about specific things you're trying to accomplish things that you think you'll do to him that you'll have an advantage at or strategy, or like, how do you feel those were thoughts that were happening before my hypnotism? But then all of those thoughts were coming from the anxiety coming from the nervousness. You get what I'm saying? Yes. So it's like let's go back on the time line to why you're feeling nervous. Like all these things are happening. They're gonna you. You're intimidating all these things happening, and it's making you feel nervous. So let's go back to the nervousness and revisit that y you know, and then we my subconscious, my unconscious mind just like spewing things out and then after the process of that mixed with. The hypnotism. I'm not even thinking about oh, I'm gonna hit this arm drag or whatever I just I'm thinking about having my conscious clear, my mind, clear and everything so that I can get. The expectation that like are the visualization that I created. Yeah. So have you tried different versions of that? Or different styles of of hypnosis. No, not that. I can. I mean, I've done a lot of just like closed I like emotional intelligence type of like exercises. You know, like where I'm just like, my eyes are closed in a have someone helping me visualize internally, you know, like just whether it's dreams or emotional pain, or whatever it may be and people just like guided meditation almost yet, but the actual name like hypnotism only had it done by two people. Well, it as when you're watching fighters, if you I think fighters are one of the most complex puzzles for psychologists because I think it's a super rare state like the rare state that someone gets to with it can be completely calmed see everything in the heat of a dangerous encounter with another train fighter. And when you're watching these things play out on TV and you often time see how much anxiety, please. A factor or doesn't play factor. How much someone having the don't give a fuck attitude for real at can play. It can be a benefit and it can fuck you up sometimes too. And to see these complex psychological puzzles play out and see fighters struggle. And then regroup have a bad fight and come back better. All that stuff is like, it's it's really like a giant microscope on the human character, you know, and like a guy like you who comes back from the Johnny Walker fight and looks sensational against Eric Anderson. And it was like that was one of those things you like I like what I'm seeing this guy he figured some shit out, man. Like does that was that was incredible? It was really fun to watch men guy who really loves Moi tie. It was fun to watch. Thanks, man. That was and that's that's kind of the goal to going forward is that I want to continue to put on stuff like that continue to learn more die and then because that's kind of raises the bar. Right. People are like, oh, man. This guy for sure kind of put me back on the map. So now, I'm ready to. Go back, and you know, how many guys he's mental coaches. Now, if you had to guess. A good handful. Good hand a good handful. I think Schneiderman Vinnie Shoreham. He monetize me, and he he houses a lot of fighters. Yeah. He's yeah. It was a trip. It was very strange. It's like, oh, this is real. So weird feeling how long ago was it. It was the old studio. So it had to be at least a year and a half maybe two years ago. Okay. Yeah. It was pretty weird. But he's a great mental coach though, he knows like what's creeping around your subconscious and just waiting up up and play tricks on you, you know, you shouldn't put in enough rounds. He's a UK guy. Okay. Yeah. I kind of get linked up with. Yeah. I'm all. I don't care anybody. I'm like. Yeah. Like, whatever you got. Yeah. Any short. Let's go. Yeah. He's a good, dude. I'll connect you guys. I think it's a probably one of the least trained aspects of fighting the mental aspect of it. You know, you realize how good guys are just by watching them train? He see them Spar. You see them do all these l Tammy he's got. This guy's fucking good. Guys. Got great jitsu guy. Got great kickboxing you ever hear about the people that like their sayings, right? Like man that guy's amazing in the gym. But when he shows up to fight like he just doesn't put on. I've been that guy multiple times and get a lot of it has to do with mentally. Yeah. That's almost like an unaddressed giant chunk of the puzzle. A third of the puzzle. It was a pie. A third is keep it together. Like, you know, when it's ready to go. And now it's all happening don't freak out and you'd ever like, here's kind of something that I think about you never know everybody's situation. Right. So the day before the fight we have weigh ins, and then Dana comes back in like, he gives us our speech. Right. So everyone there you don't know what life position they're in. You know? So it was like, hey, there's a potential we can get a bonus. So all those guys are affected emotionally somehow. You know what? I mean, some guys maybe don't care some guys maybe they do. But then like we walk out. And then there's a crowd fifteen thousand people sold out look around. We got Joe Rogan sitting here. We got MC Maynard say, we got Dana. Why we got everybody sitting around and then like, we're still human too. So we're thinking like this kind of like a test. You know, it's like we got all the we got the whole board right here in front of me ready to take my test. Like it really depends on like. There's so much that goes into like mentally got to be prepared for a lot of things or some guys block it out. But it's just like like anything else if you had to know about halfway into the first round some special shit was happening though on this fight. Yes, after so after the first round, I was very happy. I sat down my coaches were like, okay. This is good. This is good. You're doing this. I was like listen. I wanna know. What's good? What should I expect the next round? Like, I was ready to go. I told this straight to Georgia, Mike, dude. I don't care. What do I need to do next? I prepare for and he's like prepare for a little bit more pressure. He's probably going to try to shoot for the takedown in this round. I was like. Okay. Cool. So that I was just looking for that and using my tools to kind of to prepare for that. But definitely midway through the second round. I was okay. Like, I know he's still got power all this stuff. But I think that that leg I should be able to, you know, buy some time and take away a little bit a day. Damaged like coming at me for. I mean, he had to be an agony and he never stop common. Yeah. We like you didn't win at all like even on the cage when I was just like when he was on the back, and I was trying to kick his leg. Just his face. His facial expression. Never changed his fucking savage. Man has crazy. He's a bad man respect that. Yeah. For sure sure for sure even before like, even before the fight and after they were sure. Yeah. No, maybe even more. So man, not everybody can do that. Not everybody can take that you know. And the do it the way he did it with one hundred percent of his character intact. Never shirked. Never shied away from it kept moving forward. That's a dangerous person. And he's still getting better guys. Just getting better. When you do how much do you think the hypnosis helped you? A really good amount. I'm different. Did you feel like in what way? I just I felt more clear. I'm I feel like a lot of times I can be just kind of like an anxious guy. I just I feel like I feel a lot of just energy the kinda like, I don't know. I go into a room, and I'm just like so having. Having the focus on having my intention set on what I wanted to happen was. Seventy percent. Like, I seventy percent of like the hypnotism all that stuff to help me to keep my thoughts on track. Something never fall back onto every single time. If I felt like I was getting distracted or getting nervous or whatever. I remember. You know, the things that we went over the hypnotism. And so every time just kind of like that hit that reset button or just delete button on on thoughts that I just didn't wanna have or thoughts that would make me feel anything other than happy and ready to go. Now, how often do practices do you practices outside of hypnosis? Is there like some things you concentrate on or meditate on? Yeah. So I do my best to just kinda like the weird thing about me fighting is something that is just kind of happened by accident. But it's caused me to search for so much peace like inner peace because of everything that I go through emotionally being a fighter so going from this. I know shop told you about it. But. From this Kate who was just like super, overweight, my whole life never fit in with anybody. I was always just like this introverted gothic. Weird kid that nobody you know, nobody ever talked to didn't never even wanted to fight always been non-confrontational. But. Somewhere in the journey of becoming a fighter. I was like this is cool. But I need to find more peace because this is like it's bringing up way too much. Just like just way too much, my of my anger cowling from everything that I held onto so practice meditation a lot of meditation. I read a lot of different study, different religions, whatever wherever I'm at all to find peace mint doesn't confrontational guy. Wind up being an elite cage fighter. Stop and think about what it's that's very strange still trying to wrap my mind around it. But I think that internally there's just a lot of there's a lot of expression. I for me, it's it is a big expression as an expression of just. My my danger, my ferociousness this the the part of myself that I've always held back. You know, it's like a half the whole back. I'm a big guy. You know, like, I if I get angry, I'm afraid I can, you know, break something like that. It's like, it's crazy. So fighting for me like when I train after training super peaceful right after I fight feel like I've grown. I feel like this guy's trying to hurt me. All these things. I it's it's just a place where we both agree. Like, hey, I'll give you my strength versus your strength or whatever. Whatever powers that strength is. What would we meet in the middle? And so it helps me balance man it does. Yeah. Because when I'm fighting, I'm I'm so relaxed. It's crazy. It makes sense. I think that something that could eight a lot of men, I think just at least training just I think there's something particularly soothing about hitting heavy bag. There's something particular when you're done, man. You feel so good when you're done hitting pads done sparring, he feel so just peaceful. Yeah. Got it all out of anything left to you. Now. I think a lot of men carry a lot of extra bullshit Ammon. Well, dash extra for no reason, you gotta let it out. Yeah. Guys will build it up in the gym, right? And they're super huge it. It's like I gotta let it up again. Swing those arms. Yeah. You see less of that? Now, it seems like, but yeah, it just it would be nice. If I really think they should teach kids how to fight at a very early age. That'd be cool thing. It's the opposite. It would have the opposite effect. I think people would fight less. I think if you talk kids how to fight they would just train and Spar, and they would get it all out of their system there, and they'd probably fight a lot less. It's an it's kind of like in our nature. Right. Like, yeah. Everybody. Everybody's got a curiosity. Like, I wonder what it's like the closest they have to is the wrestling team joined the wrestling team, and they they will teach you very important part of fighting. But other than that like they're not going to teach you how to fight. But fascinating is kind of like now at least it's kind of a loophole. They don't teach boxing in high school. But they'll teach you how to wrestle and they're pretty crazy, man. Crazy wrestling's get rougher. It's. Yeah. Also, high school kids are savages. I I remember being a high school kid in highschool wrestling room was awful because we're trying to kill each other. They were the hardest to run it with plates over their head and all that stuff teams just lifting weights and running practice, those guys doing ridiculous slave slaving. Everybody's seen that movie vision quest. Right. So. You never saw. I never seen it, dude. Matthew Modine, Matthew Bodine plays bad ass wrestler, and he's going up against this, dude? Who's this other bad ass wrestler, and he comes to visit the guy while the guys training. And this dude got a log on his back and he's walking up statements and the. He says you think you make the weight because Matthew Modine characters cut, wait. He goes. I hope so he was hope so too. And he keeps walking up the stairs. Like forget. When did this come out of long time ago? Man back when Madonna was young that's the wrestler. So he's walking up the stadium stairs carrying a fucking log on to great movie man, every wrestler that I knew when I was in high school, everyone worshiped this movie. Well, you're the shit come out. It's probably like eighty five or so that's not the cover for it is eighty-five. Bam. I nailed it. Son is at the cover for it. Yes. Look at any wrestler. I definitely would not click that on Netflix thinking wrestler movie at all she was hot as the sun to fun times. But yeah, that was like the quintessential wrestling movie because he just was dedicated. And then there was his friend who lied about being a native American. Is that what that is? I'm guessing what's best. He's going just wanted to be different stand out. But it's a fun movie. Man. It's a fun move hot to get into that for sure now not a whole lot of movies about wrestling. That's the least glamorous. But probably toughest sport for high school kids to get into definitely you know, as I stayed away from him. And you know, I tried out for I try out for volleyball in high school actually made the team, but my grades were terrible. So I never got to play. But I was like heavyset, dude. And I tried out made it I think it was just kind of like a joke though. I think the coaches were just messing with me and my friends too. When did you get involved martial arts when I was twenty so two thousand ten so really quick. Right after high school. I started. I started traveling. So I used to play in a band I used to play many bands and Williams are I play guitar play drums, I play. Keyboard a little bit of everything every Christmas. My mom would just no just give me a new instrument, and I'd lock myself in my room and teach myself how to play that just always how like music was my first love I love so hot yourself. Yeah. I just put on like headphones, and I would just match the sounds and then keep restarting the songs over and over again. And keyboard song, I'd play like just on the CD player, and you know, as it evolved. And for some reason, I can just I can match tunes with whatever instrument. It may be you've always been able to do that since kid. Wow. So no formal training nothing. That's great. I've tried to take I've tried to take Qatar lessons before. But it didn't work for me. And my mom is just wasting their money. Like, I was learning. But it was kinda like school for me. Like had a teacher. He told me. Okay. This cord this Gordon was like I like just let me feel like I gotta I gotta feel. You know, I can hear it. I can I can feel it. I'll get it. And so I stopped going. How many people do it like that? I'm not sure I know there's a lot of people that can just kind of play by ear. But so I'll like I just love instruments. I'll pick anything up and just start playing in ended up teaching myself, I play drums bass guitar keyboard? I played the standup bass in in middle school. I've got like a little home production like beat studio at home all that stuff. So after high school, I started touring and. That's when I started getting my heaviest we were eating fast food every single day. Three times a day. Never drink water soda only. Smoke a pack and a half a cigarette today and just on the road traveling and then by nineteen I got up to three hundred and five pounds nineteen years old. I remember one night laying down and go to bed, and I just felt my heart pumping predict Asli, and I was just like no way. This like, I think I'm gonna die and I woke up in a panic and. Where thing is I got up and I went outside for maybe like ten minutes and I smoked another cigarette. And I was just like this is the problem like I'm coughing up stuff. My hardest. To give out and I'm only nineteen years old. You know, so around that same week is when I discovered MMA with my brother, just like watching Altima fighter on TV than so I went on my last tour, and I told the guys like, hey, I'm gonna go train him, man. Look, you're going to be a fighter like you think, you know. And I was just like I don't know what I'm going to be. But I'm gonna go train and get healthy. And they're like, okay, cool. Like, we'll see you in a couple of months. Not like, no one really believed that I was going to go and actually train and five told you, and I said, well, he's been big quiet non-confrontational gun. So yeah, I went and took my first class Moi tie and March first two thousand ten took my first class and then. After like a month of doing tie. I started to see progression. I started to see like my face slimming down all this stuff. So give me motivation to keep going. And then I remember going to Emma Maidment amateur, and I saw really big heavyweight guys going at it sounds like I think I wanna do it. I wanna give it a shot. And so my coaches like, okay. If you lose one hundred pounds, I'll like I'll find you a fight, and I was like a hundred pounds. He's. Yeah. Find you a fight if you lose one hundred pounds. So I just kept training within eleven months lost one hundred pounds. And then took my first fight. Then like every fight has been. Until now because it's like now, I have like more of a drive in a passion for it. But all the way up until then everything kind of happened by coincidence. Just like, I just I didn't really want to fight. But I had a lot of people like all you're so good like keep doing it. And how's the first time while I've ever had people supporting me till I really do something. That was big. And I was a new guy, and I was in shape. And I can you know, girls are noticing me. Now, all my whole life changed within a year of training intimate like, wow. From going to this guy that nobody even paid attention to just like, oh, hey, how's it going? You know, like, oh, you're so in shape, and I was just like, oh, this is weird. It's still weird. It's only been nine years eight years, you know, so everything's still very new to me. I've only my first day stepping on the map was like, you know, nine years ago. Dude. That's an amazing story. That's crazy. That's like a legit success story. It's you know, you look at a ridiculous ringtone. Do you have, sir? Is that? So I turned it up. What is that? It's just like stock iphone. Yeah. You ventured into the options went down in there. Yes, sir. So yeah. That's like that's kind of how everything started and then with three three or four fights. And then I tried out for the ultimate fighter. So I had like three or four fights in one year being a pro. And then the ultimate fighter trials came out with my like try to offer that made it on those like oh shit. So most of my career has been in the UFC while. Yeah. Is that like when you hear about fighters, particularly boxers you hear like a really well managed boxer will get fights to test them. But with the guy that you could be many learn it at a different thing from each different fighter. As you. Move up the ladder and Wayne more of them are undefeated when they finally get a shot at either a title or top contender. But an MA you could be fighting the top level guys within a couple of years of joining could honestly be a couple years prior to that. If you're particularly talented. What you picked up martial arts in Ghana. Perfect example, perfect Francis in Ghana, incredibly example, because he's really only done and they for five years, and he's still right now the scariest guy in that cage. And when he's throwing bombs away. It's like you just let go. When he knocked out over him that was an uncanny that was an unheard of knockout. Yeah, I sparred with him in like in preparation for that fight who've and I actually almost got hit with that same punch. But yeah, we went Francis. I and I went three rounds in the cage. And then I remember Forrest was there and John the head coach syndicate, and they were like, okay, you guys tone it down because we were going at it. And I like I like to go hard. But how often though health night to go hard? Yeah. Every now, and then yeah, I do mostly technical. Yeah. So like in Thailand right now, it's like everyday technical one more or one or two day sparring. And when he say sparring, Emma may sparring Mace barring. Yeah. And then the other days are just like technical grapping grappling and technical striking and then wrestling, and then yeah. Spun Fridays now when they break it up. Do you have someone who makes your schedule for you like for the week? Do you have all your training routines? Like what what your schedule set up for morning evening? All do you have. So vance. So they had like so for instance, like the gym has a schedule of all the classes, but the head coach George would help me out. Like, hey, if you're getting ready for a fight show up through these these these, and I'll help you and also curriculum. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So that actually helped and the cool thing about it is like everything was in line. So like whatever I worked with him personally in the morning, we'd still be going over and practice and even in the night practice. So getting the same things like, you know, multiple times a day instead of just one time, and then you'll get it again later. And when you're you're training over there. You said you like fifty to sixty professionals I've seen so many guys on the mat? Yeah. And I'd say on a very very low day twenty like so many people so many people guys and girls men, and how much time are you spending striking versus grappling. These specialize in one thing or the other. Well, I can train grappling all day and never get bored. And like, even if I'm tired, I can still do it. But then like grappling. I do a lot of the times because I like it, but it's mandatory. And it's and it's my job. So I like, okay, I'm gonna go to grapple in class. But. It seems like it's an even balance. But I love to go to striking more because it's just like, that's my favorite thing. Yeah. So. One striking class one grappling class women may class all in one day type of thing. So like two hours apiece and then conditioning running and all that stuff in the middle Ignasi one whole day Jesus. Yeah. We'll the inmate classes more like so there's a class of may one personal going over like my specific things that I like to work on one and work on and then maybe whoever's mimicking the opponent and then in the morning tie. So for me, it's always great to start the morning off with multi wake up. First thing have coffee. Do my five six K run trae Moi tie for two hours. Eat go. Do ima may personal. And then do the inmate class at the end. And then go relax after that routine for making work every day. And it does everything's disciplined like to do the same thing every day is very common in Thailand. And I think that's why I was able to put that that perform. Silence on and use that many kicks because we throw so many in one day. You know, what I mean, what's different about the training there? There's not there's not really class. It's like for may. There's not much talking in in Moi. There's no talking, you know, like, they tell you what to do a little bit like punch kick me Tepe five times ten times twenty times, you know, like it's a lot of repetition in the same thing in the in the class, George gives us a lot of time to drill and drill at our own pace and things like that before we go live. And I think that that's what helped me the most is less talking more drilling show me one or two things were mixed. Martial artists. We're going to create something off of it. It's okay. And just let us drill it. Let us really walk around. You know? Correct. If you need to, but I think people need to spend more time drilling on the mat go live every now, and then just so you can feel what you're at. But the only way you're going to get good is by really he has just not as fun. Exactly, it's training. I don't think training should be fun. You tell a dog to sit a hundred times, you gotta give them something. Like, you know, some type of trees the promise. Certain parts of training are fun. Right. Which is probably one of the reasons why you like striking. Exactly, it's fun that part for me. I can just yeah. Yeah. It's. It's I really believed that psychologists should study fighters study high level fighters try to figure out what makes them tick. Because there's all these different versions. You're a different version you the three hundred pound God decides lose all this weight. And now you want the best fighters saying the two hundred five pound division. It's crazy, man. I mean, that's a that's a wild story at v really cool though. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you'll get one psychology studies on fighters almost mandatory because he is certain guys like they're just impenetrable. You know, there's certain guys that just they just like could be the impenetrable, and you're not the more shit. You talk more. He's gonna fuck you up when he gets a hold of you like is not working, man. It's not getting in there, and there's certain guys like sometimes they're hot. And sometimes they get rattled. And you know, it's it's a crazy endeavor. What you guys do? It really is. Yeah, definitely has been. I think a documentary or something would be really cool to. I think a lot of people in the fans need to see kind of a little bit more of the inside the real stuff. You know, the the the real stuff. Like one of the craziest responses that I've been getting lately is people hit me up on Instagram. I can't believe you're just a normal guy. Like, you're posting songs. And and you know, like doing all that. I'm like, yeah. I'm I'm human just like everybody else. I think a lot of fans kind of forget that. I think we as or sometimes forget to like, hey like for a little bit. You can shut it off again normal. Yeah. It's I mean, the the balancing act is a strange thing to nor the balancing act of the fighter has to have with their their personality with training and competing, and then just being a normal person and the highs and lows and managing all the stress of an upcoming fight. And you just sort of asked to go it on your own like, hey, good luck. Keep your shit together. Yeah. And the face of flying fists, and it sucks because higher we go up, then it's just like it's kinda hard to go anywhere behind rights, and we're working to get to the top fighters. We want to be known. And and but like the more the more the higher that we go the more like obligations media, people wanna talk to you all this stuff. So your time kind of gets short. I I was thinking about it last time like damn like getting into the tops gonna kinda suck media like, you know, media week or fight week for everybody at the top there like press conference this that that and I'm I'm the type of guy where I just like rely. Lack? So I'll definitely need like a psychologist or something to help me out me more hypnotism. Yeah. I would I don't know how much they do the UFC performance institute, and for insofar as mindset training, and do they do any of that over there? That I've seen that place is insane. If you chance to train there at all. I did I did to fight camps there when I used to live in Vegas. Yeah. And it it's amazing. It's crazy. It was like it was like a little too good for me. Like, I started feeling a little bit spoiled. You know what I mean? Like, I gotta go right out in the street. Like, I can't on these treadmills, man. I mean have a place like that where the company creates the super high level training environment. That's there's not another gym lichen on the planet or on the planet. Okay. Go ahead work out there for free seriously. Oh, you wanna protein shake? Okay. You want whatever you need just live here. It's a great way to keep guys on track with their weight cuts to you know, information will that place like they they've taught me so much, you know, just about recovery and what to do afterward. You know, they're they're investing a lot in just like different programs for us to take home. So that we can make sure that like our nervous systems good for the next day. Like, they're putting so much stuff into figuring out. How to help the fighters tripped out by Mandel that that underwater treadmill Jammie, isn't it amazing on it? All you gotta do those wearing my clothes. I wasn't going to jump in there. But also what look at this is crazy this thing. It's sick. Did you do it? Yeah. Did it a few times? What is it? Is it good for your cardio? It's it's low impact on the joints. Right. So like, it's. Oh, yeah. You'll you'll get it real good cardio really real good cardio push on it. 'cause there's jets blowing at you. And the the on the bottom. So you're trying just to not your. Running against the water. Oh, wow. And so like, depending on how deep you go your arms, all resistant. Oh, you can go just waist level, and it's a little bit easier. But the lower you go the harder. It is cardio. Did you do the zero gravity? I didn't do any of the things. I just looked at him. Daddy. Griffin gave me the four one one. They've done a lot of the last zero gravity. It's been a while. Maybe what was those zero gravity? So there's a treadmill and you put these pants on. And then you zip into this. Like, you zip into oh, I did see you turn it on and fills up with this air, then you can run. Up to like ten percent of your body weight. So you it's just like it's another zero gravity like the treadmill? It's not low impact low impact super low, and you can. So you're just like tippy toes. Just like, oh, that's weird. Yeah. Yeah. That's really weird Nicole stuff, man. Well, they're at the forefront of all recovery methods and training methods and Tricia. Yeah. And see what they're doing some light week. What are they doing? So this last fight. They're like, hey, do you want any help? Do you have your meals prepped or anything of that? I was like, Nah, I don't. So I guess for people that are fighting within US for now. They'll they'll prep and make everything for for fight week when you're cutting weight, and they'll make sure wow. Like, you stay in contact with with the guys Clinton them, and they'll check your weight, and then they'll make meals, according to you like whatever you need delivered to your robots standing it was it was the best and then the recovery afterward. They give you these drinks all like, you Sada proved all that stuff. It's like no problems. They him. They helped so much with that last weight cut, and and rehydration how much you cut. This fight. I cut. Nineteen nineteen pounds. And that's a lot usually I usually cut maybe four to seven pounds. Wow. The last couple of fights. I've just coasted. But when I went to Thailand. There's a lot of sugar and a lot of stuff that I was eating out there is that really what it was. Yeah. When I was in Bangkok for a long time, and it just a lot of street food a lot of fried food and stuff, and I was just there like I'm going to try everything. So once I got the Pook it. They actually have like health food stuff vegan stuff, they have a lot of tourists there. So especially on the street. So the street that Tigers on all gyms like five or six cross fit gyms, maybe ten restaurants, health food, restaurants, everything. So I was able to stay on track there. So just I was just back just a few weeks. Yeah. But I still may wait. So that's good. That's a lot of weight to cut though. Right. Yeah. You like to cut like about five or six. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No more than eight like eight is pushing it for me. So what difference? Do you feel? The day after I didn't with their rehydration method. I felt amazing usually cutting that much I'd feel a little bit bloated low. Heavy sleep beer, all that stuff. But this one you talking did you ever do Ivy or I did do when I used to fight in the are Fe and at one eighty five I used to find it one eighty five. Oh my God. Yes. Our how much to cut I used to cut from I try to get as close to two hundred as possible and then cut while how the fifteen super skinny two hundred two heritable. Oh, terrible. I'm struggling to make tool five not not struggled a hurts to make two five now. So I can't even imagine like. It's not. So what would you think about if they abandoned weight cutting? They just opened up more, weight classes and abandoned weight cutting. I mean, I wouldn't mind. I would like to see that don't think it'd be better for the fighters. I think it'd be better for the fighters, and we see some really cool matchups. Yeah. You know, what I mean because there's some guys that cut a lot of weight, and there's a match ups that would be really cool it at different weights to I think it's one of those dumb things that's existed in the past. And we never corrected. I think I think we should stop it. It's not helping anybody to lose weight for fights that you could be fit in in great shape. Yes. Okay. Sure. How do you go about that? But I mean, losing weight like losing weight and training not like massive de high for wake-up day. And then rehydration the next day for five day. I think it's too crazy strain that guys are doing to their kidneys and their bodies. I mean, many fighters of told me that they don't feel like they can take a body shot as well. And they cut a lot of weight sometimes the your head of my head. I remember in the Johnny Walker fight. I'd cut. Excuse me could have been from the wake-up. But that morning like if I've been tapped on my jaw just felt like my head was just like off like Radley, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Felt very sensitive. That's from the same night. I get knocked out. I don't know what it was from. But I remember feeling that morning when I woke up, and he's usually I like a shake everything off. I'll like, you know, like punching myself in the all that stuff just to get ready for the fight. And I remember that that morning when I was like tapping myself on the jaw my head. Just didn't feel right, dude. I could feel him. No. But I got a check after I didn't have any like concussion or anything. Did you have some particularly hard sparring session or something close to that? I don't think close to it during that camp. Like, I said, I didn't feel it all the way until I I didn't have the only the only time I ever felt it was like after the weight cut. So it could have been from that. Right. Yeah. And I think that morning I actually ended up cutting the last little bit of my weight the morning of way to which is not usually like mail usually cut it the night before. So you said you like to start your day off with a run. Are you doing that every day? Yeah. Definitely. So that's one thing that I learned to is just training every day. Not learn, but it just feels different. Now, I have to go and train every day when I was in Vegas like I gotta drive thirty minutes. You know, all these things that had a lot of excuses to make up and now with the convenience of how training is now. I don't even make excuses on like if I'm tired, I still two minute. Walk get your s to the gym. You know, right. And so yeah, every every single day training and then weekends off for sure. So you're running every single day. Then you're training every single day before Moi tie. It's mandatory Iran. Right. You train real sea run. I show up you run. The the first day I showed up. At at Tigers multi class. I didn't even have tennis shoes. I just showed up with my flip flops because I was staying right across the street, and I showed up I saw wrapping my hand in the trainer. He's like are you going to train, and I was like, yeah. I think so he's like you'd think so go run. And I was like I don't have shoes. Only have my flipflops. He's like just pointed. Like, so go run, and I had to run like, I think it was like eight kilometers in in flip flops before he's even trade. Yeah. That's like four miles right somewhere on their five and a half. That's like for like four miles something like that. We just had to run run run run run run. I asked the girls like how long do we run for? She's like usually like five to six kilometers like that. Yeah. It was like five ks like three and a half months. Yes. I'd say like just cutting short five K. Wow. And in flip flops, and I was cool. Yeah. I never I never forgot my shoes. Again. I would Oche. Fuck you feet up. It wasn't too bad actually now because I wasn't wearing shoes a lot. Anyway, just Thailand. Sometimes you had to take off your shoes before you enter the. Store. So so they're they're hard asked and they're disciplined with the wanting just serious about. Yeah. They're just serious about it. They're like show respect, you know, when you're running you're running with the group of guys or everybody guys girls who never shows up to class. But is it is like, okay. So when they're running or they running like organized like in a group, or they just everybody running a few miles before class every time the first the first way tie gym that I trained out the straight Moi Tijam in Bangkok, they run as a unit every day five AM. Wow. As a team they live at the gym the eat at the gym. They sleep at the gym. They are like they they don't have homes. Their home is the gym and their job is just fight and eat sleep train fight. That's it. It's crazy when they take on the name of the gym. Yeah. Exactly. And that's a whole different life. Like that is what made me respect and learn and love multi so much as how these guys trained in just they live together, everything it was amazing. So they run as a group, but the other like the other place we all start off. But if if someone's laughing you and they just want to run fast like, it's it's totally fine. But before the class everybody has to go. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Let's smart way to do it, man. I mean, if you could really convince them to be conditioned all the time. And there's like you have no option you can't be out of condition. If you're going to run five miles every day, no five miles and hidden kicking hitting and kicking pads for five to ten rounds a day clinching, forty five minutes a day like clinching at after every session. It's like you run knee bag, sit all that stuff. Second. Second session is kick the bag three to five rounds until a trainer picks you up like for me. I had to wait for a trainer to actually even like want to hold pads for me, if you just show up you'll just be hitting the bag until the trainer was like, hey, okay. Hold for you. And then once you actually find a trainer that wants to work with you. Then you kind of whatever their schedule is for you that they'll create it though, you'll hold the whole pads. You'll kick the bag you'll do push ups do. Situps and then clinched thirty to forty five minutes after it's the same thing every single day. Wow. Do you ever worry that this might be something that would be monotonous because they're doing the same way every day? Did you think we'd just concentrate on excellence? No because it's also like going to the fights. And there's so many different styles. So like people are doing the same thing every day the repetition, but the styles are completely different. You know, like, nobody fights like Sanchai, right, right? He does the same thing. Everybody else does but he has his own style. Yeah. You know, what I mean or some guys will do the same thing. But they don't even like to kick or knee. They just like to throw elbows, plenty guys. Like that where they just like, you know, that when he goes he's just throwing elbows all five rounds. Yeah. This guy's just gonna throw knees. So it's just like which tools. Do you use the bends like are you a near or you a kick? Or are you an elbow guy? You left cake or your low kicker? It's kind of like, what's what strikes are your thing? And then you go watch the chaos and these guys are getting. Split open every night on the stretchers. They take them stretchers on the ring, man. It's amazing. It's like not to see someone get hurt. But like just the fact that these guys are all out brawl every night every single night. There's a fight at the stadium Thursday nights or the nights that like the the higher guys go, and they're packed with people thousands of people like. The one I went to there was a few thousand people there for the stadium. It looked pack and everyone's betting like oh. And then when the kicks, I'm like, oh, wait. All the energy is crazy. They never showed up. I'm getting hype thinking back to Thailand right now. How did Sanchai figure out how to do more different than anybody, man? He's so interesting. What is quick switches of the feet in like even the way he throws kicks guy. Like a little different flavor. Everything he can help it. You know what I mean? There's just something about the guy's character. It just like his his fighting is him. Right. You know, like he's just he's kind of outgoing like this weird funky guy. And it makes sense that he fights like that. You know what I mean? It's not like he's just like serious like stern guy. But then goes out there and fight song. Crazy like he seems like his fighting is definitely an expression of himself. He's so good, man. He's so good. I I like watching him just warm up sneakers on outside. Sweating throwing elbows and these. He's a bad motherfucker mound. And he's you know, he's not young now. I think he's in his forties Z. Yeah. Really? Yeah. We looked out of hold Sanchis or eight thirty eight zero he's getting their scouting there. But Meanwhile, I was in his prime still fighting people up all the times a month. Multiple times may have fight. Good luck. Like dynamite? Instagram was awesome. And he's got these great videos of him warming up and you watch him his movement, man. It's like, wow. That guys he something special. It takes a lot of fucking energy to move around the way he does too. Yeah. I'm sure he's still shows up to the gym every single day to hold the pads for foreigners and all that stuff I stopped by cow. Jim he wasn't there. But I hear like there is a look at that the fucking man right there. He just posted a video the other day where this crazy wig. Go to see a video of him there. It is right there. Even how he throws his kick. It's different different. Yeah. Like, he doesn't really like turn all of his upper body. Like a lot of the ones I've seen right? He's he's a volume guy. But he knocks guys out with one shot to catch. It just instinctual. You know, he didn't even think about it didn't even flinch you. So. Swipe. It's interesting. We think how many different people are doing it. And this one guy stands out. I love outliers, man. So that's one thing that I learned compared to like watching Thai in the states, and then going there the amount of kicks in needs at they're throwing. I'm looking at fighting like, okay. Like, when's the next punch going to happen? These guys thrown kick after kick after kick for five rounds. I was like, okay. I'm I'm definitely not kicking enough. So I gotta start kicking. So they like being in Thailand definitely helped me to learn the importance of kicking. So we were talking about the chute boxe style. Hafi Cordeiro who's a absolutely one of the best advertise striking coaches on the planet. It's funny that he's such a nice guy, and he trained the most murderous crew. Angry. Aero could not be nice. They had Anderson Silva. Vanderlei and went vandalised show gun that photo. Yeah. Dude. That's a that's a fucking ten. Got like Pele everybody. That's right to they were some guys Atari boy, Michael Kosta. He was he was from that same that same group. To this day. Do not understand why more ties not more popular. I've never understood it. It's so exciting to watch. If we had a league in America that people understood who the fighters were got to know him and root form and see you know, like you see with boxing with Terence Crawford. You know, he's like he's he's prime right now. You know, he's on top of the world. I wanna see a guy like that in wartime. And I think it would be the same thing. I think Americans would jump on board. If they understood how exciting it is. Yeah. You see a lot of you see. A good handful of foreigners and Americans in Thailand to go watch tie. And I thought the same thing like man, they gotta get this. This figure it out. What does this? What's missing Dana white has a good point to thinks that culturally we won't accept kickboxing after PK karate from like the nineteen eighty s I've never for my time. Ninety. It was guys with throw like these little kicks for like eight kicks around. And then they would have like a sloppy boxing match summertime. There's some really good guys that fought in there too like real high level guys like Benny jet or Keita's font PK, and you know, a lot of like really really good strikers. But it was. Was nothing compelling about it wasn't. It wasn't something that you wanted to watch all the time. But if you could watch some of the best multi fights you've ever seen, and you could watch them on television, just like show people on television, some crazy wars that you and I have seen from the past like, how could you not like that? If you like striking. How could you not like us? We're experts in bone smashing though. That's why. I have a lot of love to for like a huge one championship in me too. I'm a huge one championship. Yeah. I like what he's doing. He's mixing three of them together to it's amazing because like you can literally go to see a good inmate match. Okay. If you if you like grappling and striking obviously, and you can see legit Moi typhi tres, my friends from the stadiums are fighting in Bangkok on the ten so Mike really like I can't wait 'cause I really wanna get there by the tenth to go. See this one championship event in Bangkok. Well, the guy one of my friends like pet, Dan. He's a he's a stadium like champion and he's fighting one championship again. And it's like, it's it's just six Sieben. He I don't think people understand how big it is an Asia either. There's a lot of American fans that are just really they're messing it. It's like Asia's version of the UFC. It's gigantic Jaeger. Yeah. Yeah. The numbers are insane. And they got some fucking killers over there. Yes. They got some legit killers. Yeah. Yeah. That's like that guy nasty. You can just knocked out at the average. Yep. Trying to tiger dude. That guy's legit. Yeah. I remember to train with him at all. No. I would like alongside them. I didn't personally train with them. But I remember one day we were doing we were training at he was the last one on the mat? And a wrestling coach Frank was like he's like he said something like ten more sprawls in like you beat Eddie Alvarez or something and the guy just grinding like he's digging himself into the Mattie. It was it was cool to watch them prepare for that fight. There's there's guys like that like, yeah. He trains there all the time. And he'd be Eddie Alvarez like a big deal. I think it's a big factor over there too that they don't cut wait. I think that's a factor. If you're used to being the bigger fighter all the time. And then also now you're not no, no one's cutting any weight. I mean, they they have some sort of a system Ben asking aspirin was explaining it to me. I don't really remember how it works. But there's some sort of a system where they stop you from. Cutting. The check your hydrated check, your hydration levels. Yep. You gotta be. He's the right. He's correct. He's smart. It's the right way to do it. We should have done it a long time ago in the OC, then I really think that all the way cut issues all that stuff like ruining cards. All it would all be eliminated. Right. Yes. Ruining cards, and even more importantly, I think causing fighters to fight it less than their full potential. How many fighters got hit when they shouldn't have gotten hit. Because if they were recovered completely if they didn't have to not recover completely. But if they they didn't have to recover from a weight cut who knows maybe there's shots you eight because that you wouldn't have eaten right, especially if you some guys cutting a brutal amount away, it's entirely possible that you could get hit with something. You wouldn't have you didn't have to cut it. We got off it. Yeah. Right. We got five more often. The training would be a lot better too. Because we wouldn't like a lot of fighter spend the last three weeks four weeks of their fight or they're just trying to lose weight. It's it's terrible. And that's their way of learning. Building strength and all that stuff that you can do. So I don't know. I think it'd be awesome. The only argument for it is that the guys are tough enough to do it and cut a shitload await have this massive size advantage. And sometimes it allows them to win. And they think they should be able to do it because they're tough enough to cut all that weight. Yeah. I get it. I mean, it does it's hard to do you have a strong person? But I just don't think it's good for anybody. I don't think it's good for the athletes. Don't think it's good for the sport. I don't think it's good for anybody. It's just an old way. It's just an old thing that people are doing. So they don't have to fight the bigger people. You know, it's crazy because I have to answer that question a lot for people who don't like some of my friends are just like, oh like they'll hit me up. My. Hey, my I can't talk this week. Like, I got to cut weight. Like, it's not a good time. I like, how do you? How do you lose twenty pounds a day? Why do you do that? You know? I'm just like, I don't know. How to explain it? It's just because it's what we do. You know, there's not really. What I have to do when you see certain fighters get on scale. They'll let Conor McGregor when he made one forty five grazie looked like a like a zombie maze. Walking Dead character. I was like holy shit. Man news, the ice king. Yeah. What's that? No the winter king. So what do you call it? The nightcap tonight. The night king. He did look like a Nike, but you see him when he fought at when he fought Nate Nate at one seventy with great. You look great, right, right? Yeah. There's a different. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, there's. The difference saying he looks happy right there. He's just like. Yeah. I just had a burger I know what the sleep good. And then the other one he's like duties on death's door right there. Three months apart four months apart. No limit twenty and fifteen in March twenty sixteen right? Yeah. Wow. Wow. You know, it's crazy to sometimes like wait could he messes up the mind do because you see yourself? So shredded right at one point your life. And then like, I can get maybe like five pounds. I'm like, man, I'm out of shape. I gotta get back in shape. Yeah. You get accustomed to do you? You'll never allow yourself to get back to three hundred pounds can never. No, no, no. I can't go down that road. Crazy transition though to go at ten years span from being a guy who's like, really, overweight and worried you're going to die to being an elite UFC fighter. Yeah. Like life life for me is as as happening now. Like this kind of the beginning of everything for me. You know, it's it's really cool. It's really cool. And I'm glad that I found mixed martial arts. Just because it just it gives me it's a journeyman. It's not just you have seizures finding ima may and diving into different cultures and lifestyles and understandings, and sometimes philosophies all this stuff just to understand just to put it all together just to have it all makes sense at the end of the day. Like, it's it's been a beautiful thing. I've been able to meet a lot of people a lot of places like I'm very thankful in very just like like, I'm okay with life. You know? It's very good here, man. That's a cool thing to hear. I love here. Pat. You're cooled life. Yeah. You're drawn a great path, man. It's it's also what's inspiring about it for other people is your story of being at a place where you weren't like that before story of being overweight and smoking cigarettes and feeling like that. And then now you're like for so many people out there that gives people hope it gives them a thought like maybe if I just figure this out. I actually can maybe life doesn't suck. Maybe just sucks the way on living. Maybe if I could just figure out this path in a positive direction, I can change everything. I I could be happy. I could be like you right now. What was the exact, quote, I'm happy happy with live happy with life. Who would life? Have you with lifetime is a great quote most people don't get to that spot. And they're crazy things. I didn't have this dream to be in the UFC. I made a choice just go get healthy. It was a short just a short step in the right direction. I just what propelled you to take the first fight. If you were just trying to get healthy. A lot of encouragement and the first time really hearing people. Like being good at something that like. I was surrounded by fighters and guys who believed in me in like who cared in like wanted to see me get better in tougher. And I was getting my ass kicked every day. That was something that wasn't used to just being in that environment. Had at the time learning I had a very strong team. Like, I started Vanderlei school when he was still fighting. So a lot of the guys that was like shoot the buck style. Everyone's getting knocked out every training. Somebody gets knocked out really very hard. And that was that was new for me to get and things like that. And how that in Vegas? Oh, yeah. Man. I remember helping him get ready for the either it was like Brian. Santa Christly been and throwing full on elbows in the cage. No pad like we're going at it. Like, my jaw was dislocated everything. But it was just like what we learned was just always fight in Brazilian. They all had the every day every day. We'll have to. Full hod the. Yeah. Think about that. It definitely made me tough in the beginning. Now, I I realized that like I've only been doing this short time, and I already feel like aches and pains and stuff, and I don't want it to be like that when I'm older. So I'm a lot more smart about my trading. And do you think it was a critical aspect of your success though needed on through the fire? Like I needed that. Because different guys, you know, what I was made of. Being being a guy who's overweight, secure all these things never going on hikes her my dad passed away when I was younger like very young. And so I never had my dad to encourage me to go throw a ball anything play sports or be a man be a boy be a, you know, just be that was always like kind of sheltered by my mom, and she was more like protective like I don't go do that. And then she finally learned to just like set me free. But I needed to know what I was made of me I needed to know what I was made of in. In the realm of of med, fighting, whatever it took blood near sweat had the same thing. They say like, I didn't know what that was like, I never got a taste of it. So going through it in a real way like actually getting my ass be and having to find my way out of it and can't run from it. And still like it's people that cared about me too. It was like it was just a great thing to have. And now I enjoy I enjoy really good heart fight. Something about it. That's well, you're you. You're enjoying your progress to change of who you are as a person you're strengthening how far into your training was were you like one hundred percent all in committed like that. I think it was after my loss to Tyson. Pedro, which was my second fight the UFC before everything was still kind of very fun and games. And I was like, oh, I get to travel go to Australia fight in Australia. So it was a big shock to be in the UFC, especially not even expecting to be there within just a few years. So after losing that fight is when I met, my friend, and at the time, my strength and conditioning coach Lorenzo, and he had been through like para rescue school and things like that. So he helped me to just develop this mentality of like how far for your mind, take you. How big is your will? And when training with him in doing kind of like para rescue survival training for conditioning that that was. That was a point where I started to like say like, okay, I'm going to take this full on. I know I can fight hard. But now, I know how far my will can go in the face of the elements and everything so like putting those two together going after it. And then the the fight I took after that was Daniel jolly. And then I I ended that in the first round with the knee. And then I thought Paul Craig and Scotland, and I had the same integrity. Like, I'm going forward. I'm getting better. We're gonna grow stronger better harder like everything and. Then the the fight to the polish guy. Michael Aleksei joke. Have you seen him lately? He's been he's been he just beat like, John Volante. And I forgot hell that's right. Yeah. The body shop I lost it or I lost to him. But then it got turned to a no contest. So after that was a consecutive fight. So it's been. Two. No contests you test positive tested positive. But I he was also a last minute last minute fight. I always fuck his name. Michael Alexi joke. Go see it's a rough one at the winds. I was butcher it. Terrible at some of those fucking. On sage. Yeah. So when like three or four years man, and how many fights you have professionally? Hey, what's my work, eight three eight three and one? That's funny that you don't you don't really know your record. I I don't remember eight three and one I think it's eight three one while. Yeah, that's amazing that you've been fighting for a relatively short period of time. And of achieved some pretty fucking spectacular results. Man. Do you have anybody in your past that was into martial arts? Do you is it in the family my brothers? My brothers were both like just athletes at school neighbor like they were. Always getting in fights and seven school. Like, I said it was non confrontational. So that was like they were the biggest fighters to me grow. They stunned your fighter now. Now, my other brother is actually a fighter too. He fought for like the World Series World Series of fighting one twenty five in and a contender series things like that he still fighting so training, and then my oldest brother. He he doesn't fight. He used to play like, college, football and stuff. But yeah. So I got one brother. So it's in the family little bit at least a little bit. What do you think of that the World Series of fighting, which became the professional planning? Yeah. Giving away a million dollars to everybody who wins, whatever the respected weight classes. Right. Yeah. And then you fight two times one night. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, but two times and one night. I don't want times a one night sucks. But I don't know if they get paid to show up, and then or it's like, you just fighting, and hopefully you get that mill. I don't wanna see a guy who goes through three round war fight a guy who knocked out and ten seconds. Yeah. Because. Can happen. It does happen. It seems it seems so unfair. Did you see I thought Vinnie Mongla? She was gonna take it that lasted two. He's I remember seeing a lot. He's really coming into his own his striking is caught up with a lot of his grandma. And he's fantastic basketball dangerous. I've never seen a guy that big flexible. He can do everything when it comes to ju jitsu you ever see any flying arm bar paid upon. Oh, nope. It's crazy. Look who the fuck knows that. I was at that match the the meta Morris. I think it was what was it Matamoros when he would he grappled Keenan? Was that Matamoros like a few years back? I mean my four five years. Yeah. It could be metamorphosed Morris matchups had some good ones. But I forget all the matchup. Yeah. Those are good events. Yes. Yeah. More. I wish there was more of those. I mean, I'm happy Eddie Bravo's sort of taking over that space the FBI and combat. You just who? Now have you seen this lapse? It's six great idea. It's nice times. Like, you might be holding onto that slap. Then that might cause a guy John to like, oh, something changes the game. There's things aren't available anymore. You can't just allow yourself. It's too hard. You could someone like somebody stops somebody Wagner rota stop somebody got on top mounted them. And just blasted him with palms the head. Yeah. It was pretty rough man. It's like new it's almost like that. You can do ground and pound, and we learned from boss route and way back in the pancreas days to remember those days. Yeah. Boss, rootin- figured out. How to pull his hand back way further than other people and boss rootin- would smash guys with palm strikes. He was throwing uppercuts and hooks. Like he wasn't just like slash. Yeah. This is a really high level Jiu jitsu to with smacks own what? Yeah. Need all that guy's not used to get slammed up not by guy with a nasty guard like Wagner Roach. He wants to tap news. Oh my goodness. Now. Can you tap from the slap? Yeah. You can. Oh, he's getting beat up. It Mike BELTRAN seen enough. See once he starts dropping those palms down ball. Koha? For a reality. Check. You know? It's a reality. Check about how dangerous position is. You can't really just sit in let a guy mount you do something desperate to get out of that. But in jujitsu if the guy's just mounting, you can kind of chill out chilling out figuring out how to escape a leg or something of that shit. Yeah. Combat. You just you gotta get the fuck out of there. That's a terrible place to be safe. They would like ima may right the amounted. So especially when he hired will the difference between Emma may grappling and regular grappling to used to always be with the one of the big ones, at least, I should say was leg locks. They thought you really couldn't get away with leg locks in as much in MMA because as you're going for the legs, you have two arms committed to the leg. Someone's just gonna punch you in the face, and you don't have defense for it. But now you're seeing when guys like minority burst on the scene. Started Rippin guys knees apart you see how effective that has. And then Paul horrors people. No, no, less scared of it. If they're scary still. You have three knee operations and to reconstruct. But are like do you like to watch? Oh, yeah. Yeah. John Donna her. Yeah. Dude. He so interesting guy. And and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember just like kind of looking into leading. Yeah. Those guys are savages, Gary tone, the fucking people's legs up, and you know, and then Craig Jones, and all these other guys that are from all over the world that are leg locks specialists now the all these complex leg lock systems now. Yeah, it's whole thing holders. Fuck up you go Zygmunt should've zagged when Brian hall fought BJ Penn. Right. And he caught him in that. I was like no, no not that way. Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to get out. You try to get out. Ryan hall. Just locked it up. I just imagine the feeling now. I always Deborah. Oh, well, it's once that stuff gets chewed up inside there. That's the problem. I mean, some people could just take it. But once you start ripping meniscus apart and cartilage apart once stuff starts happening ligaments starts getting stretched out and rip a little bit. And then they're always going to be wiggly. So I mean, even Gordon Reid just ripta's fucking leg apart. Did he really he just had surgery? I think he did it in an actual grappling match. I think is foot his leg moved weird and it just popped his his knee apart. But the guy had a hold on it. I don't think. So. No, no. I think it was in a scramble a scramble. But there's a lot of those leg. Lock experts right now that scare the shit out. And everything came from dean Lister, which is crazy. Dan, Lister you on the story. No, John Donahue was talking to dean Lister and dean Lister was talking about leg locks and John Donohue said something inquired about why you do. Leg locks and he goes, why would you ignore fifty percent of the body? And John Donahoe being fucking crazy. Wizards, why would you why would you this is all these memes? There's a fucking hilarious me of John. Donna her in bed next to a woman. And it says why would you ignore forty percent? Fifty percent of the body. Yeah. And then other guys they should. Yeah. Well, Don, here's a guy who understands things like he sees them on a very complex level. He understands all the various possible exchanges. And what's the best way to mitigate like stop the defense pushed the offense control the situation. What is what is the ultimate control position? I have to get to get on the inside to grab it this way do agree with. And then they once they started really experimenting and putting it together and putting into a system, and you see how these guys who have only been doing for a few years like NICKY Ryan ordinary. They start tapping all these like, really legit guys. Like what the fuck is happening assist. Doing more system. Some everything I think that helps a lot it just when it comes to training learning things in systems. You know, what I mean, I think ten planet has like their own shower system. Right. Oh for sure else. Go to another states. Like, it's the same. Yeah. Same system, right? All systems help. You know, I mean, and then fighters devised their own system really often have their own entries and their own ways of defending things, but the leg luck game so unexpected. Because I always thought they were a good technique if you can get it. But it's not that high percentage. MMA those kind of how I felt you didn't see too many of them. I don't know why I think it was we didn't we had a few guys that were really good in the early days like Oleg tar off. And you know, some other guys are really good. But we didn't have the level that you have like a Paul Harris. Yeah. Diving on things transitioning from one thing to the next and then locking you up in a position where you had a tap quick. Because if you don't you're going to be screen, do you think a lot of times those guys like the other guys fall or does he really just whole too long? He definitely holds too long. He has there's one fight from Brazil where it's crazy just not letting go he's just holding onto something. I forget what it was. But he was not letting go and they were trying to separate him. And he's still hanging onto it think he came from a really really bad childhood. Okay. And he's talked about it in depth about growing up on a farm and being forced to eat pig's live pig slop when he was a little boy that cut that he has on his chest at big scar. He sealed that up with glue. Yeah. Like crazy shit. Yeah. He's actually I've met him before a few times like through. Yeah. There's some friends, and he seems like a cool guy. Yeah. He does, you know, genuine. I just think when he's in competition, man. He he just doesn't want to let it go. Yeah. He wants and they make him. Let it go. And he tried even though he knew that they were gonna get mad at him. If he didn't let go still in quite let go and they'll get the fuck outta here. They kicked him out of the the first guy ever get kicked out of the for holding on submissions. Oh, he got kicked out. Okay. Do you know who who held it against? I don't know. But I'm pretty I wanna make sure that that's true. I think it is that who some are Paul Harris was the first guy to ever get kicked out of the, and I think the last one they got kicked out for was like any normal person wouldn't even got in trouble for that one. Yeah. It was like normal was like maybe a little bit too long, but it was on that border line edge. But because it was him people like enough, you know, he's is that what it was. It wasn't in the but it was controversial submission victory. Over Jake shields. Ed World Series of fighting tie. Bye Jake shields. I think. I think he did that too. But that was a 'camorra. That's right. But I think before that he got kicked out of the USC. Really thirteen. Mike Pierce the? Yes, intervene referendum Wien. That's right hook. Yup. So that's what it was. Yeah. Okay. That's what it was. He was released after holding onto he'll hook of Mike Pierce in two thousand thirteen. Yeah. But look at that guy was huge particularly scary when he fought because he was so strong and his body was so well designed for heal right? He just could grab a hold you in rip your shit apartment. Look at that. Look at this. Now, look what he does here. So he grabs my cares. Don't tapping. He's tapping he's still holding still hold, but that's all in slow motion. But it looked to me like he was still ripping the knee apart. Even though he knew that the guy tap. Yeah. Yeah. He had he knew he had it. He's just punishing that guy. You know, he makes it scarier for other people, and he's probably used to doing it. You know, he had this psychological block those. They all said that he's like a really really nice guy. Yeah. You just become guy that nobody wants to fight animal make nobody. But I think in the Jake shields fight. There was other shit that was happening too. I think it was. I folks, I'm pretty sure dirty fight. What do you hear? What we hear? Something bleeding through into our microphones for this before I've been trying to catch what it was go Spro know what it's from. It's some interference, Debbie. This is like so I don't know if the people can can the people here. I was was this. What is what is it? The five to fight. Oh, you left off. It's very it's just we just debunked ghosts, bro. Which was the pulled the that fight that took, you know. Yeah. Oh, what are you guys near part? Yeah. Yeah. He was the first guy to be like super scary in a elite modern level with heel hooks. Where did he start off? Do you know what promotion, well, he's a minute taro guy. Okay. So he came out of Brazil, probably cage. Warriors. I don't know, man. I don't know where it where what he was fighting in Brazil. I remember sea age warriors is the UK. Yeah. That's where Anderson came well when he made the jump from pride you did cage. Warriors for wall came over to the FCC. And I think that's when he started working with the new Garros when he started fighting cage fighters of so he fought a bunch of fury FC's fought a bunch of stuff storm samurai, twelve Tonton. Fi storm samurai twelve I want to teach her for storm samurai twelve. Throwback. Yeah. To real throwbacks. Yeah. He had a great. It goes to show you how good Gary Tonen is as a submission grapple too. Because they had a great submission grappling match. Put keep go back to record there. Because I think that was listed there. A thing turned out in a draw, and Gary -tarian is so much smaller than him dry. Yeah. Gary tone. Oh, yeah. Recent. Yeah. But really two thousand sixteen I think it was because I remember now that was Craig showed. Okay. Two thousand eighteen with Craig Jones. Yeah. Posted and pictures about like how he looks now token you'll he's got like he's got fade like this big mustache analogies. All. Pounds. He's running through walls. Is fighting MMA anymore? You're just doing grappling. I think he might just be grappling. I haven't heard of the news that something extra scary about a guy. Fuck your knee up. Yeah. You know, what's up the size of now? We'll get he's with hick Hickey monster holes JiJi cleaners. Arm you side or not want to give my my heel caught in that armpit. Yeah. Look at those that picture above where he's screaming with look at that picture. Like what in the fuck man looking Craig Joe's chill that is a body designed to rip your legs apart. Do you know the hill game? Not enough to really play. But spent a little bit of time picking picking the brains and people who are getting them. I like it. I enjoy it. Yeah. I think I I think I could actually get pretty good at it. It's like the basics of it seems pretty simple. It's just a matter of getting comfortable there because I feel like my knees are just I don't want to risk it. You know what I mean? You know what? I mean. Let's play this game a little bit. Yeah. But if I find a partner, that's not an asshole just like really wants to learn together, or whatever. Then I'll I'll do it. Go after do you ever see yourself doing jujitsu matches or anything like that? Yeah. I've only done maybe three in my life. Yeah. Yeah. I did one. My last year competition was probably two years ago two and a half years ago. Naga just like it was a random just like a random like, okay, I'll do today. Well, there are some Emma may fighters that are at a high enough level of grappling. They can compete against really elite grapplers nj two matches like Chad Mendez member he had that that match with. Jeff fuck one of my blanket on his name. Jeff glover. Jeff glover. Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. I think he choked him out. They tried to address choked out. Yeah. Jeff Glover think he took his back and tapped him. Yeah. Oh, think they were using the Eddie Bravo invitational. Rules, make make sure that's true which you start on someone's back. Yeah. You know in overtime and go to a certain distance is that shale sudden Schmidt is it's chill Suns organization in which case, I'm pretty sure they use the rules. So he got his back through sort of an one of those overtime positions. But he's still tapped him and the other one is your favorite your favors pretty fucking elite pretty fucking elite like Gent Glover's animal. Oh my God. I love that guy super super technical, you know, and very. Dangerous and relaxed writing big times donor. Yeah. So they must have set him up on his back this show, it it just shows them how the back man, that's a hell fucking reneging right there. That works all day on everybody, even Jeff Glover. That's why you see works. You know, it'll if an yearly to work, Dave your ass. Yeah. Three by overtime submission. So we were correct. Yeah. Yeah. There's so there's a few guys, but it's really hard to be the master of everything right for sure. So for you is there a balance we like am I spending enough time grappling? Am I spending enough time striking? Do you? Do you ever? Like wonder what the correct formula is or tinker with it at all. I have wondered and I always wonder, but. I can't like so. A long time ago. Maybe like a few years ago. Anderson told me like listen. Just you need you jitsu like you need it. He's like it saved my life. I love to strike too. But when I learned to to it change my life. So you need to learn it put on a gay. Let's roll like right there in the living room. You know? And I was just like, okay. So one of the things that I learned from him is just he's like. Learn the basic stuff like learn the basic stuff get really good at it. And then. In like, use it to save yourself. And you'll you'll end up growing. He's like just keep trading jitsu. You don't need this whole crazy secret system at the moment. Just make sure that your training jujitsu and continue to learn jitsu. You know, like, so that's kind of my take away from the conversation. No. I just make sure that when I'm training. At least I'm doing jujitsu. You know, like, I focus on it. Make sure I'm getting better. Make sure that I'm going with guys that are way better than me. So I'm always getting my ass kicked. But at least I'm always going with guys that are better than me all the time. And I I enjoy it. But I'm a striker. That's it like I enjoy I know that I need it. It's my job. I know that it can get dangerous. If I go against, you know, if I go against the guy was high level. I know that I I understand that. And I'm very aware that every time that I trained and. So I make sure that I do my job, and I go to jitsu class, but I'm a striker, and I'm always going to be focused on on. That's always going to be what like my go-to anybody. Whether it's a striker, grappler. I don't care. I'm gonna train striking and I'm going to train jets YouTube. But I'm going to miss shrinking always do you think that that is a you're letting everybody know are you trying to trick people and the next next you're gonna shoot on folks? I don't need to shoot. If I need to like if I'm getting my ass kicking I need to take a desperation shot. But you'd rather just let them know that you're coming out striking because one of the things that I believe you do and you're very good. But one of the things that's interesting about real high level when you look at the guys who are who've been legendarily successful like George saint-pierre or mighty mouse to great examples. One of the things that you never knew what the fuck they were going to do to you. And that overloading the mind with possibilities is a part of their success. It's like how much of a part. It's a good question. Do you think that there's an argument for using the skills that you have which are quite spectacular with that sort of style sorta style that incorporates way more take downs way more takedown attempts way, more faints, just just different combinations of things that you never know what the fuck is happening at any given time or do you think that it's better to just be the best striker you can? And that'll be enough. You stop those take downs. That'll be enough. For me are just in general you for you. I think for me it would be the best to just. Be the best striker because you enjoy it that much more. I enjoy that much more. You know, I think yeah. I enjoyed that much more. I still have a lot to learn a lot to grow. So that it's always gonna get better. I don't think that it's. I don't think that's gonna get bad. I'm still learning a lot especially what you guys got to see like if you weeks ago that's only the beginning like everything even before that was like. Non existent compared to like the type of training that had been doing. So I'm like, I'm really excited. So I'm like, yeah. Ties a lot more than just punch kicks in elbows. You know? And that's that's all the striking. It's it's infatuated by right now this one focus on one hundred percent. Yeah. Like there's guys like. Think about like Michael Vince, pay Dryden like before he fought like, Paul Daley. I'm sure that I got trains a lot of grappling as well. And it shows like if he gets in positions like he's talked out guys from weird, you know, where positions, but when people watch him fight, they wanna see like they trust in his stand up. They're like, oh, this guy's gonna do some crazy stuff. Yeah. And I kind of want to be able to do the same thing not crazy like, you know, wurley stuff. But when people watch me fight, they know what to expect. And that's just like bulletproof striking. You know? That fight was very unexpected. The way Paul decide take him down. I was like I was pretty stunned. I didn't think we're gonna see that Paul Daley. So dangerous is fucking left. Hook is one of the best in all of the business left hand, period. Anyway, throws it both of them knew they were going up against like. Yep. Even behind the shit talk. They do like, yeah. It was a tough fight for both of them. It was but it was interesting to me watching page uses distance and that crazy karate point style. And that you know, he had to hit really look out for that stuff. I mean, he had head a make sure that he wasn't getting dinged by that stuff. Yeah. He's coming in with a like his venom throws all this wild stuff. Like almost like a fencer like dives in on you and pops you, and you could tell Paul Daley was like really having a hard time like finding that range. Yeah. It's it's hard to to to. Fight against guys that are long and know how to use their body like athletically is he fighting Douglas Lima next is that's what's happening over in bell tour. I remember seeing that Douglas Lima had a fight. But I don't remember who the opponent was who's Michael venom page fighting find out that he's spectacular though. Man. Right. He that he landed on cyborg was holy shit. He caved the man's head in goal. We've never seen that. We've never seen razor just insane. But yet hit with a meteor imagine the pain imagine man, and he was hanging up headaches bad like four months. He's like I'll be fighting again in four months, and they like, bro. Guy Brazil, it's tough, man. He's tough. He's been around. And that's why when you see a guy like dot covers face and then fall down like that. Oh, it is an live versus pit bull Lima versus MVP. That's it tugs Lima's no day eleventh. He's no joke. That's a dangerous man leaving the opportunity. He's a fucking enormous welterweight to Lima is I've never seen him as a big frame for one seven. Woo cuts. Lot of weight, but he's so powerful. When he gets in there dangerous fucking striker Lima's. He's for real that to me is as interesting if not more interesting, the Paul Daley fight, I wanna see what happens. Yeah. Here's liam. Liam is a little different in like, he's not he's not gonna trash talk a lot. Like he knows. He's dangerous guide. Yeah. So Michael it's going to be a good one. It's a real for sure. Yeah. We'll fights like that really legitimize Ballatore because these are fights at they could easily be a main event Neo. See how it was you know, unquestionably that fight. Who've then page is he's a real fucking hard pill to swallow man figure that guy out who the fuck can you bring train that can move like him. No, you can try. But yeah, he doesn't even know how he's going to move. You know, I think that guy just puts on music and just whatever happens happens. Yeah. That's why this is so interesting because Lima is like way more like has a just a rock solid traditional stance. You know, he he moves real. Well. Devastating power. That's going to be a really good fight. Where does Lima trade? You know? Convention whereas Douglas Lima train. James gonna find that out for us. I'm very happy that there's a bunch of good organizations like like one, and you know, like PF L now Bela Tor, it's it's great. That fighters have options super good. Yeah. Just it. A lot of times you like I like to just watch whatever's going on you never know who you're gonna come across. Whereas whereas that American top team somewhere as this terrifying. Nasty combination man. He's got ruthless leg kicks two-man ATT wear which one there's a bunch of those right? Top teams, you might be ATT Florida. I dunno as he. It didn't look like the Florida one. But. ATT? How many are there? I have no idea zero bunch. I should know that I think the fainting. Agree, PU cat fight club in guess Thailand. Oh, really better for those came out yesterday. Like, maybe fight. It's like fuck it going to Thailand to bring everybody. Everybody come Joe Apu kit. Wow. He's been a lot of places recently for this fight says honestly nowadays, my life is a camp Lima stated it's been like six or seven months, and I haven't stopped trying to improve for me the lifestyle. Yeah. It's the only thing that really bothers me. The only thing that bothers me is that it's difficult to get a champion to fight a champion like a champion from the champion from one or two fight a channel. Let's up with that. Yeah. I think that would be good for everybody. That'd be so sick that it'd be good for we should find out who the fuck who's running Chit. Exact. Yeah. To happen. Or how also how you have fighters can do like Thai fights on the side ashore, I would love that Toby be hard for them to do though because you'd have to justify it like what if they got hurt and they couldn't fight in a card, and then the US loses an asset, you know? They would think of it in terms of like a possible main event like player. Yeah. There's a guy who's top of the food chain, dude. And he says I want to say one more typhi new tears MC L and then six months later, still not ready to fight. But they should do it. Like, if you're not like if you're the top fifteen you can't do it. Yeah. That's not about idea. But like if you're not even ranked they gonna go crazy. Yeah. Going to be awhile before they'll let you do what you tournament right jets. He's fine. Yeah. She's fucking dangerous to. Yeah. You can go gets like bars. Yeah. Dammit Shaw, it'd be cool, man. Shop for the other cyborg. Brazil Ricardo Abreu. I'll guy duck guy. He's he was one of my jujitsu trainers evangelize. Yeah. He's a beast. Yeah. It's a big, man. Yeah. Shock kept him away. Just push them away from him. Yeah. Yeah. He has legs ripped apart. I think I remember that. Now might have been the time we're shall was over at black house. I think he was in. He was going to go do that. Well, his his point of view after fight. I'm not gonna get my leg torn apart. Take me down do something. You know, what I mean doing anything? It's not worth. And then later he did sit in its guard. He couldn't do anything to them mostly defensive. He basically shut his his Jesse down though. I mean that that he really did do that. If you really stop and think about it. I mean cyborg wanted to do something we stole them out. It's not a fun thing to watch. And it's not good. If you're cyborg, but if a guy gets stall you out like that's a weird in a grappling situation. That's a weird situation. Someone. Defenses. You just pushes you never attacks. Just keeps pushing you off. What do you do? What do you do? Yeah. I mean, how much of your jujitsu is based on someone that's willing to engage. That's the problem with some big problem. When guys go to the ground oftentimes, you'll see them almost not even securing position just thinking this position will maintain this way. Because it isn't training all the time because guys are just lying on top you and your and your guard instead of just jumping out of your guard going need a belly and smashing you in the face. Exactly think you can catch a little break is you do all the time and training, you really see that what you just do players. Sometimes, you know, they they forget they have to hold on like, especially guys that are used to train with the key. And in Mayfield and the guys on top of them. And they think they're trying to set up an arm bar or something like that. And that people are just like, Nope. So chill. Get out of the spot do some training. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Where do you trade? John jock. Yeah. The last time I did it was two weeks ago. Three weeks ago might have been more me and Russell Peters down in a couple of times Malibu to. He's a good, dude. Man. John, John Machado's awesome. I heard good things about him. He's he's awesome. Couldn't be a nicer person. And just really really technical really good at breaking things down. Really good explaining things the big, Jim. It's it gets is. No, he's he'll get like sixty people there in noon class sometime. So packed. Yeah. Is it in the heart of the city or Nelson Tarzana? Oh, yeah. There's a bunch of Machado. Jim still though, I think I think they have one in redundant. Hey, it's me and Russell. But he's just got there's just perfect basics. Perfect advan-. I mean, everything he does. He's always in the perfect position. As defense is always like when you roll with a guy like that. It's like, wow. So many levels this thing, let's, you know, just just level after level. He's never endanger ever never. He's always laughing. Oh Joe HOGAN hit Joe. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. He talked to the guy. Yeah. Sure. Assan? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty hilarious, man. That characters one of the most weird of secure like think about it that it's a character that he developed. That's a fake Brazilian multiple time world champion. But the dude who plays it is like he's legit is normal. Gerry brisson? He's he's one of these black belts. I think he got his background. Pretty sure he did. He's a really good. Grappler, man. Really? Yeah. But he pretends to be this guy not to Laurent. Yeah. I remember I met him one time at UB I need he wouldn't come out of character. Yeah. Those him fucking give me a hard time about James Brown or something. I think I forgot it was a we. But he's my friend. I've been friends with him for a long time. He's a great great guy and realize that's not that's character. Just it's so committed to this character. He's been doing this character for like ten fucking years. Does he do it just like in public? Oh, fuck around with you bus out the character. He's always on. It's gotta be fun. You gotta have your character. Yup. Some people got really mad at him though. Like Nate has got legitimately mad at him was at the at the booth. Yes, the booth. Yeah. Yeah. Something has all the video. They you know, Nate was like get the fuck out of your bitch. And he was like, hey, just fucking around this. What in the hell, bro? Is that his idea the? You have to turn away because the girls but not necessarily be hit. Does have a lot of. This character. So he's hilarious character Hades child support. And there's always track to the butts. Let's have heart. I mean, it's a crazy character, man. It seems like something that someone would have on a television show or something, you know, it's ours. It's only for like only Emma may people in jujitsu people know about it, exactly. Wants to get it you go try to hit the streets with that job. Like, what do you say? I'm almost positive. He's a black belt in he's very legit martial arts. That's pretty cool. His dad was a karate instructor to he's about motherfucker real martial artist. It's it's at the characters so funny. Yeah. I gotta meet a we can arrange that that will shit. So what is next for you? After this past fight. What they do. They give you some time to recover and then hit you with some options. Does your management contact? You'll see how does it work. Yeah. It could be management contacting them or just you have see reaching out just to see when I'll be ready, but since fight like I just took a little bit of time off see the family. It's been awhile since I've seen them. Do they offer you like a short notice fight? I've got an offered a short notice five before I got offered that. Oh, my longtime ago. I got offered that Gustafsen fight. It was like long shot didn't think I was gonna get it. But I was down. And I was like, yeah. I'll take it. And it was like I think ten days notice days notice the at the one in L A. But it didn't happen. And then I offered to be the replacement for the fighting south all of that Eric Anders stepped in for but against Iago. He was either gonna be against him. More Manuela who was the first who is supposed to fight I Diego. He was like someone pulled out of that car. I'm not out of that simple pulled out of it. And then they offered Mason top was already in Brazil. But I think they needed a Brazilian to fill the guard. So I couldn't do it. So yeah, there's been times that I've been willing to step in short notice. But for now, I'm like if what I've learned for months has been able to get me this far and a lot like in my last fight. Then I'm gonna go back and just get get back to training. So I can't be ready when they call me again. So what do you anticipate how many times would you like to fight a year? I wanna fight at least two more times this year. Yeah. So. I've I've got to learn what works for me just based off the time put into this camp in kind of this new system that I can start to develop. So now just get back start training it and then get into if I can't so and like typically would you like do you like eight weeks twelve weeks like what do you? What would you need to? I think eight weeks is perfect. Yeah. Eight weeks is perfect. I'll take six weeks four weeks. Feels kind of like, you know, the everything's kinda gotta be rushed. But. I think six to eight weeks is perfect. And what are you doing for recovery? While you're out there, you doing time Assad Sasha's are so cheap. Yeah. Like you get to our time for yourself. You get to our time Saggio for maybe like ten bucks. Wow. Two hours full body, like it's high elbows and feet everything because some amazing and then they do the ice baths. But they put like big blocks of ice. They don't put bags. So there's bunches ice, baths and massages. That's it stretching. But I really I really wanna do something down there like save some money, and maybe get like recovery place going. What kind of recovery, please? I want to bring something down there. I didn't even I wasn't going to give out this idea. But whatever who cares. I think because there's so much stuff down there. Gyms cross fit restaurants, all that stuff. I think the only thing that's lacking proper recovery. Kreil cold plunge hot tub. No massage just. Like speedy recovery. You've been the Kreil rightly man, you can go after heart session, go Kreil and go take a nap and you'll feel pretty good, but the ice good just getting out of it. Do you feel the same way from ice baths? Colle. Plus. Yeah. One of the PI that was freezing gold. Do a couple of minutes in there. And yeah, the ice baths. Oh in Thailand because the the bricks are so big it takes a long time to really like fill up and stuff. So they don't get as cold. So I think I would love to just to help out like help that little community and just get something really really good in there for just recovery. And have you know, maybe some some type of smoothies or something to help boost everything up get the system running again. So that we can train multiple times a day. Now, do you do anything to monitor your heart rate or heart rate variability to see if you're overtrained or undertrained see how you're feeling? Yeah. Not as much as we did hear that you have CPI, but I do have a hurry monitor. And for this fight camp. I use it only to make sure that I can get my weight down because I got up to like two thirty five and I did this the two max test and all this stuff. And this this clinic down there helped me too. Just understand when my body's burning fat. So where to keep my heart rate and how to monitor like when I'm actually working hard enough to to lose the weight and it worked. So it was good. It's it's such a different world now with all the scientific inventions different ways that they can make sure that your body's in a good space. It's not guesswork anymore. Yeah. Make sure you're not overtrained or hundred percent dealing off the same time. I was doing to maxa like EKG going on everything. So I'm like running they're making heart pump in my lungs are functioning, everything all all in sync. And they gave me this whole big print out of everything and everything seems to be working perfectly. So they were just like, okay. Well in order to lose this much weight by this much. This is what you need to be at. And when your body's at the highest fat burning stages when your body's ad or when your heart rates at like hundred seventy eight for me, it was hundred seventy APM's and side and my best to push their just at least. You know when I'm there. I'm burnin the most bat so try to get there as much as possible you try to not do that again as far as like get that head one hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent but getting getting heavy too. It was like I'd lost. Johnnie Walker fight got the Thailand. Oh, food showgirl like all this stuff. So I just kind of like, I don't know what I'm fighting again. So, but now, I'm ready to be active. That was a big part of my decision to go there too. Stay there a year. I want to be active this year to two fights. But. Trying to what are they have you ranked? Now, I don't think I don't think ranked even Tom fifteen. No, definitely not. What do you think you should do in terms of the next level fighter face? Like what what kind of guy would you like to fight? Man. That's crazy. I don't even ask myself questions. What do you do you? Just wait for the call. Yeah. I usually just I wait for the call and whoever they they usually offer to they like to options. Really? Yeah. They how do you choose? Usually they offer. Like like the last time. It was okay. There's air kanter's or there's a guy like I didn't even know his name like this guy. Is going to be new coming into the FCC and air ganders is coming off a loss, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay. We'll sucks, I know Eric all this stuff. But I'd rather fight Eric because I've already lost three times to guys who are making their UFC debuts. And it's just not good for me. You know what I mean? Like, obviously, they're tough they're hungry. They're trying to get into the UFC. It's going to be a really tough fight. And so that's kind of how I made the decision. The last one I was like I don't want to take the risk of losing another fight to a guy who's making his debut 'cause three times was enough for me. That's refreshingly honest. Yeah. That's what I mean. It's like we were talking about earlier about boxers having managers that have a strategy to keep them undefeated as long as possible. Give them tests have them decide like wins, the right time to take this fight ones. You know, what's what's the right thing to do? And as a professional how much of an advantage is it to know what a guy does know who he is have seen him fight a bunch of times been around him. It's. Just like just for instance, like I fought go con sake. And then they offered me Johnny Walker. And so like Johnny Walker was coming off contender series. But still nobody knew like not even we knew we saw highlights, but we're like, oh, we'll like. This look at the competition that he's faced right? You know? So we didn't really get to see much of what he was capable of. So I'm like, okay. If that's all you got then I'll take the fight. But then here comes Johnny Walker this like raging beast, you know, it'd be like the guy's huge. So. Yeah. It was just it was weird. Like, so I went from beating go sake to losing Johnny Walker. Thank god. Johnny Walker has been as good as he hasn't has made a name for himself. But still like, yeah. I just didn't want to be like a I guess like a foot in or what what do they call it? Like, a a journeyman. Yeah. Not a journeyman. But like when they say like you're trying to get like your foot in the door or something like that like. Oh god. Someone said it on on Instagram. I saw like a few times. But yeah, I just didn't want to like just be another guy that you know, would could possibly give somebody there shot into the CEO's Alemi fight a guy. That's that's in the UFC. This also now that you did. And you had the fight with Eric ganders? And you have the spectacular result. Now, you know people recognizing that you you've made some big improvement. What caliber fighter who who who do you think would propel your career like what would be the best next step? I mean, definitely I think it's time for me to break somewhere into the top fifteen, you know, for sure nowhere in the guys that are at the very top. Because. They're all kind of tied up. They're all pretty tied up. You know? And I definitely think it'll be a while before I can actually fight Jones. Because just like how things are how things are laid out. Like, I know for sure Johnny Walker's ranked and he's already kind of like in talks like he's the guy to be jone-jones. So sure they're going to try to set that up, right? Then there's kind of set of guys in the middle. Johnny Walker fucking shoulder. News doing that worm thing supposedly supposedly. But I think he's fine. I think he's fine because I've had people call me like I just see this Johnny Walker guy down down on the street every day. I guess he's back in Thailand. So he did that flop around thing. And then he when he got up he could move shoulder. Yeah. So this located is located or something I think that's what happened. So you were you have to right. Yeah. I think call it out like most like what's going on man. Yeah. He's I hope he doesn't didn't permanently injure his shoulder. Ni- think you might be fine. I hope so he's not walking around in a slate or anything right now. But he could have a little but. Yeah. After your fight with him. He's made quite an account of himself. Yeah. That lasts without flying. Knee was insane. So I'm sure I'm sure before I get to the top. I'd have to abrogate right? What's up, Jim? Yeah. I would imagine that is currently recuperating from shoulder surgery after dislocating shoulder surgery, dude. Surgery. That's fucked up. I've never known anybody to have shoulder surgery and come back like with a full fully Andre awarded reward had shoulder surgery and came back better than ever says. But he's also got the best doctors chore too, long time two months from a comeback as what he says he hopes to fight the winter months and Anthony Smith he better take his time. Isn't one of fuck shoulder up forever? You know, if it rips again, that's a great fight Anthony Smith and Guston. That's great fight. And you know, Anthony Smith account he really held his own like you made a good account of himself in that fight win the fight. But you know, he showed everybody how technically is especially in that first round that for sure real good and sharp Johnson's powder. Just John just better. You know? I mean for now he just has his number. I mean in the John Jones, you see and now's John Jones at sort of has a real goal in mind. He's had taken away from them, and it gave gave it back to them. And we knows he has it. And he's capitalizing on it seems like it. It's like he knows what it's like to be to be the best. But not be able to to really like do anything about it right for a long amount of time. Yeah. So I think it's I think it's pretty cool to be able to see this version of and and to be active around this time. Maybe you know, maybe I'll get a shot or maybe he'll still be around at the top. Like whenever I get my shot. When anything goes if you had a timeline in your head of when you think he'd be ready to challenge for a title. When do you think it would be? Ooh. I can give it. Another year. Yeah. I can get one one more year year and a half of good solid fights in to really solidify myself in just in the UFC and. And just put in the work and everything that that that it takes to really embody. What I think it would be like what I think it would take to to be a champion s successful champion. Not just like get the belt lose it. You know, like get the bell. And then and then. Just be a champion for a couple of months now to actually be a champion. And and and hold the down. I think little ovary, but it's an unbelievably talent rich weight class, right because cormier still kind of in it John Jones is the champion. You know? He just got off the Anthony Smith fi Anthony's with gusts of sin Gustafsen still beast. But no one is like really standing out as being like this person that everybody wants to see challenge for the title. You've got worthy challengers. They're good fights. But there's no one that you're seeing them except Cormie was the only one. Yeah, we see an versus John. You're like woo. What the fuck is going to happen here. What's going to happen here? And that's what the division knees. I think definitely. And that's something that that I can also see, and that's something that I also want to do for myself. I just want to be the best version and I'm starting to. Out what that's like, especially like, the happy like being able to do what I what I wanna do strike high want wanna strike and stuff. So now, let's get some some fights in there to mix it up really like test that test if it works test if that's really going to be able to to stay in in what it takes to get there. He don't admit like I'm willing to test. It like if they wanna put me up against the the best grappler in the world and think that I'll have no chance on the ground. Okay. Cool, or if they wanna put me against well, they already did they thought I wouldn't stand a chance against sake. And like, I was very happy for that. Because I'm like, okay, cool. I get to test the best of my abilities by against alleged. Yeah. I didn't like I knew that. I had everything it took to beat them. But I I didn't think like he's gonna destroy. You know, never like. So I'm only continue to be tested. It's interesting your approach because I wonder if the the fact that you were such a non-confrontational. Guy, and you are really easy going helps you in that you have like less conflict in your head. I almost wondered because even the way you approach like these different matchups and everything he like, you kind of put your ego aside. You're looking at what is the smart thing to do here? The smart thing to do is not take this fight against this newcomer guy where he lost a newcomer guys. The smart thing is okay. We we realized that Thailand was extremely beneficial. Let's fuck move to Thailand. So you doing all these like really really smart moves where you know. You're you're looking at it, very logically. But you have confidence yourself, but you you don't brag guy, you know, you're getting everything done with your work. You know, you're getting everything done with your results. It's a it's interesting to see me because you wanna see as many different kinds of fighters as possible. And you're like a new kind of thing that's the most important thing though, man, like, I don't I don't really to it into much. You have see and like what's going on? Because of that reason. I don't care about what people have to say in this. I don't watch. Fighting to hear what people have to say, you know, like I didn't fight. They it's not about talking about fighting. Right. And the only thing that I can prove after prove is what I can do with my skills. That's it. You know? So like if they put me like. They put me against any type of other fighter. Like, let's go back to the roots of mixed. Martial arts. Let's go back to the roots of UFC like when guys weren't even the same size. And they were just matching up different martial arts down for that. I mean, I consider it. And if if it had to happen now like, yeah, I definitely think about it. And I'd probably lean more towards doing it than saying. No, do you guys trash talk. You. And like you pretty he's going guy easy going. It's nothing to my face. It's always subtle. If I ever hear about anybody saying something it's just through word of mouth, and like L will. But you never had like a Conor McGregor type incident where only the beginning with Paul Craig. But I think it was just. It was just like his thing. We've like we smash that beef, you know. Yeah. But do you think about trash talking in this day and age because in many ways Connors, an amazing fighter in his fighting skills? What's made him such an international superstar? But also talks a mad shit. And that helped him to is so good at it was funny who would say funny mean insulting shit. It was fucking great one hundred percent. Yeah. But I think what people forget Joe is. I like that's always been Connor even when you go. And and and and look at the the the interviews from before he was in the UFC, and he was just like I'm going to make a bunch of money, the all this. And so like he created that for himself, and yeah, he made a bunch of money from talking trash because he always had a plan that that's was that's what he was going to do. Yeah. And so I think people try to hop on it just to sell tickets or get money, and sometimes it works. It gets people wanted to watch. And it gets your name up and stuff like that. But that's not the time. But name I wanna make for myself like I don't like people talking trash. To me. So I'm not really gonna talk trash to anybody and less. There's something that's really personal. But if I don't know you and I don't care about you. Then I don't really consider it. It's like, why would I talk trash? I don't even care about you. It's a waste of energy to waste of their like, I got so much other stuff to care about her on. Yeah. It's well, it's a very healthy. Look, man. I mean to the way you you're saying they said healthy like I liked to maintain a healthy, heart and mind as much as possible due to him, and like mental health is real thing. You know, what I mean, and especially like, especially just having certain obligations, and and just using social media and having people reach out, and they say like oh ignoring this ignore that. But it's like man like. It's hard to just ignore certain things like you still see things, and so just that and condition of the world just everything man being in multiple different countries in here in this news on that news, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, like for a person who like who wants to care about the world or just genuinely cares like a lock can go on a month. So I'm just like, I don't even what that heart mountain just gonna do my best to kind of keep my own peace and. Come fight time. Let loose do like the way you're living at a great approach. I just wanna be happy, man. That's happiness is important. It is man. It's a great message to man and the to have it come from you. I love those kind of stories where guys life was fall fucked up, and you figure it out, man. And you put it together man, tell me like nothing feels better than just like being puck and happy. Yeah. Right. Like when you just when you're okay with your life. Okay. With your your your your your heart, and your Aggradi when you just feel like, you know, what I have. I haven't done anything wrong. Yeah. I'm I'm okay. I like life is happening. The way it is. And I have not I don't have to think about that. I fucked this person over there. I do this like no everything is. Okay. Yeah. So ally welcome anything else. No, clear mind, clear heart. It's a rare thing is a rare feat to achieve balance balance is hard to maintain. So it's like a little bit of fighting. Takes meditation and takes anger. It takes like gin and Yang as the most beautiful thing ever been like that is life. That is why. That is really the opposite the balance of opposites, constant the constant flow. Like, that's why I love just reading like the Dow to chain and like just like could lead a yoga like all the cool, like spiritual stuff. I'm like. Yeah. This is it like it just helps me just kinda reach for this. Like this piece this white. That's that's awesome. Did you see the contradiction and reaching for that piece in lightwave? Smashing people. Yes. And that's the that's life. That's life. Man. That's life. You know, like a battery right in order for it to to give it's power like it's got to have the negative and positive like energy flowing through it. And it's like I feel like a lot of the times people are too focused on one side like too much negative or too much positive, and you need a good amount of both in order for like that that energy to spark. So well said you're wise, man, appreciate you, man. And thanks for coming on the show. And I can't wait to do. Metairie warning fights. Again, man, have you really fun. We had a good fucking time. That was great. Thank you. Thank respect. Thank you. Everyone for tuning into the show and thank you to cash app. Download the cash from the app store. Google play an order your cash card to start saving that money. And of course, when you do download the cash up entered the referral code. 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Ep. 2,806: Al Iaquinta

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Ep. 2,806: Al Iaquinta

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This time rogue maybe on MMA Jackie radio with gorgeous, Georgia. This is what we do in. Why we do it baby? All. We. The enemy junkie radio. Revolution is gone. No. Through the vast frontier. Cyberspace through a sea of stars in outer space. We've solidified our combat communication struggle. With the use of emanate donkey radio one, Sirius XM, satellite radio technology. Chunking radio. Commenced transmission? Why from Turkey radio eight Q in the fight capital of the world loss. Biggest Nevada hero. Your host court is stored. And goes it's Monday November nineteenth. You're listening to may junkie radio. I'm in Costa Mesa. The guys are back in Vegas. Daniel cres in New York. What's going on fellas? High. On. How's everybody? Good. Nice weekend. A fight spell Tor two. Oh, nine UFC fight night. One forty ready to dive into both of them. And as well, we'll take some calls, and we'll talk to ally Quinta. So it's going to be a fun show. And of course, this'll be a short week. So we'll try and. You know, have as much fun as we can for these three days and see we can sneak in a quick preview of the card out in China as well Beijing, I think that's now UFC fighting one forty one so anxious to get going. But I guess quick roundup. How was your weekend? We'll start with Danielle 'cause we always seemed to go last with him. Would you do Danny any gigs or just chill X, no gigs? I got to actually hang out with friends, and I went and saw the new Queen movie bohemian rhapsody. Oh, yeah. So we heard a little bit on the pre show your review, but rank it man one to ten give it a letter grade, whatever. I think it was like a solid seven seven and a half. I really like I enjoyed myself at the movies, obviously, it wasn't like a a marvel movie a big giant blockbuster or anything like that. But it was. I mean, I'm happy I spent the money, I'm happy. I went and saw it co how come you haven't been playing any gigs? Lately. You guys writing an Alba or were. Yeah. I guess writing album or whatever it's called creating album. Yeah. We're writing a new album, and we have some stuff we're working on for two thousand nineteen that has just kind of been taken up a lot of our time because it might be some international stuff. Good stuff love hearing that. All right. What did you get into, Dan? Tom. Similar notice, Danny. Not the booby though. I did see it. But you know, kind of just doing doing some novel things hung out with some friends went to a friend's birthday party. Thankfully, it was a bar that showed the fight. So I was able to catch the co main in the main via via that way and of UFC car that was over. There was a lot of heaven may this weekend and yesterday, I actually had a nice nice lunch with the member of junky nation. So yeah, it was it was a really nice healthy normal weekend. Was this individual some dude from Chicago at the hoist Gracie? All hell. That's right. How was it? Very cool. All right. How about you goes? Would you get into? I was accursed this weekend. Everything I touched. Oh, is it 'cause house in town? Maybe I never been all right at this out through the US lost. Neither one scored a goal. The Redskins lost and their quarterback got is mint with dies men there. That sounds. What else USA loss rebels USC lost the rebels lost all of my team's got thumped the Vegas nights one? But I mean. Vegas golden. I lost the next day to. Yeah. All right. Everybody was getting thumped left. And right. My car is doing some kind of weird right now. So I'm a little bit on edge. It was kind of a rough weekend. All right. Well, I'm out here in so Cal be here for a few more days. Hopefully things turn around for all of us. Yeah. I guess I'm like goes sports driven in terms of my moods USC loss to their rivals. UCLA? I was at the game shot out to San we the squid. It was it was for his birthday, and we hung out. And you know, all all my good buddies were there and wish we could have more, but it was a fun group. So I was quote got see my my godson Logan and hang out modern dei high school football team they want. So I had some good stuff and some bad stuff. You know, in terms of the sports side of things. I also route for Peru in the US too good when the play international soccer, and that did not happen. But whatever. All right. So a things culminated nicely on on Saturday with UFC fighting one forty but I wanted to see and give proper due to bell Tor tool nine with Patricia frady, you know, winning his fight. I don't know if you guys had a chance to catch that or the nem Coughlin are upset if you will over Phil Davis. And then we also had Ryan couture. Getting a win any thoughts. There guys. On that fight card L out in Tel Aviv. Israel. I mean, even going back. It was still pretty interesting. But it just didn't have that didn't carry the same weight as just watching it live so much better. You know? But I do want to shout out. LFA was pretty amazing. Did you watch that? No. I saw the highlights. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. People got folded up man up there in Costa Mesa. And of course, the subpoena motto defended her title. So we had her kneel during the week. But yeah, there was some other really really vicious Cao's on that fight card. So they they came strong to the OC. And hopefully, the OC is is like a twice a year. Stop for LFA. I think they they usually do well there. I actually spoken to Ryan Bevan's their their PR guy. And he told me, you know, good stuff for the fans as well. I believe Liotta was there Calvin Gasol was there cyborg and a few others. So good night of fights, ma'am. All right. I got. Oh, no, no, no. There's there's time. I was was going to just. Which was nothing. I just gotta come clean. I didn't see that part of the part of the reason why is he emphasized lady healthy weekend. Because Dan, Tom, usually doesn't usually I'm just buried in anime. So the time that I took, unfortunately, something's gotta give is saying that I become all too familiar with. So you do one thing something else is going to suffer. So I wasn't able to watch it. I wanted to give Bella towards proper do especially you know with with. A guys I've been I've been calling the next course nem cough coming through. I really want to see how that went. But but but yeah, it's tough, man. And I love what bell towards doing. But if they're not giving their own product, it's proper do it's hard for us to and within today's Emma may whether you're a fan or media member it's like a quick stream, man. I God forbid I went and had a lunch and went for a friend's birthday things only cost a couple of hours. But with the rate of MA in coming. It's like this fast dream, we just drop something a little leaf into it. And there goes if you don't catch it that you might have a chance to recapture it, if you drop it, you know, you drop the ball here there, but it's like a stream manigault shooting downstream. And I'm like, okay. Well, I guess I'll see it what I break those fighters down, and I have to go through the tape again. But so unfortunately, I did. But I heard elephant had an awesome cars. I'm glad you brought that up good. Yeah. They did. There's a great highlight package that that. Access TV fights always does and many times. We also have that. So shouldn't be hard to find. And it's all recapped in like three to four minutes. But yeah, it's worth it's worth the look. Because again, some people really really were shine in, you know, the winters, and then obviously we losers. Hopefully, nobody got hurt too bad. But but some people were really really hurt man. Those some devastating finishes from that fight card. But of course, UFC fighting one forty I'm pretty sure we all got again do there. That one, you know, it's the man or the leader in our sport, and Santiago pose the Navio the Argentinian in front of his home home home country, defeated Neil Magny with. Basically a punch K punch. But but I mean, he just devastated on man over the course of this fight. It was inevitable when it was going to happen. And it was in the fourth round. He is the winner of the main event now goes the twenty seven and three guys he's like ten and two in the UCLA toy division. So I understand why he's calling out Tyron Woodley. And even though he's a top contender. I don't think he's the next contender. But still nothing wrong with aiming high and having to settle for something right below the champ. But overall great showing for pawns anemia. The good fight man from beginning to end. But you could just tell like that. I was really really bothering me on you could just see eventually that was going to play some kind of role in the fight and the kicks to the legs the whole card in general was just a lot of fun. And they had they had quite a few barn burners in there. So I really enjoyed it. What did you think? Then. Yeah. It was an awesome fight. I'm glad the commentators. I actually went back to watch watch. The main in Coleman. It means you get the commentary feel as well. But it was actually pretty cool watching it without the without without the sound which I'll do a lot for tape study. But at a bar, you don't really have the sound, right. You can have the ambient noise. And it was cool. Because one of the things I was saying in the breakdown video we did for this one was that the spate. Ultimately was the space where they like the tend to compete is what what the differ me ponds and Nubia does his best pressuring in magnet can get caught in his kills on which is between the black lines and fence, and it, you know, without any sound like ponds anemia, and almost was like this is on fast forward because it just looked like he was a swarming be. And just you know, it using caged cutting if you notice he wasn't wasn't following users. He stepping laterally keeping in stance, keeping him balanced cage, cutting and just warming Magni like a B and I'm glad they clarified on the commentary. When when I back to went back to watch that it was a punch because as you know, ponds navy has been accused of healed, I poke ary, and so I'm glad to show that they showed it was legitimate strike and great great win for my with you guys, by the way and the placement, you know. Aim High probably end up right below. I thought I thought the ponds is going to run out of gas the way they're going early on. I was like there's no way keep that pace up a good. That was a great performance. Yeah. And you know, he think the crowd for coming out, and he actually touched on something, you know, Argentina like many, South American countries. They're just going through some tough financial times. And he was really honest with everybody and said, hey, thank you for coming out. Thank you for supporting, you know, myself and all the other fighters tonight. I realize that this isn't the most affordable night out for everybody. But you know, the fact that you all came out. It means a lot. And you know, we really appreciate it from the bottom of our hearts, and so he chose his words carefully. Still got the message across. But you know, he he got a great roar from the chronic the crowd appreciated that and of course, like go set earlier, you know, that there was just some really really good action on the main card alone we had five finishes. So I think the crowd, you know, really really left with a good impression anybody was there. Maybe for their first you have our first time at an MA event, man. They gotta be, you know, Google in and see the next card. You know, where's the? That is it is it in a nearby country or the comeback to one side is because I was a good time. Ricardo lamas defeated Darren Elkins in the third round pretty devastating finish in there as well. More of a TKO with elbows and punches for his finish. And he realizes Ponza Navio. He's not next. But hey, it doesn't hurt to toss out the Ortega and haul away names because those are the two that will be competing for the UC featherweight title coming up here in a couple of weeks, and you know, after that fight bar it being a, you know. You know, slobber knocker where you have to run it back immediately. You have to sort things out with who is properly next, you know, who's under contract who's healthy. So I think Llamas just letting everybody know, you know, I'm happy to stop this to fight win streak, and I'm anxious to just get back in the mix. You know, whatever the fallout may be of these big big fights coming up. I think my Khanna just lost the fight. Didn't. He did. I read that he needs somebody. Yeah. So that was unfortunate. Edgar hopefully gets back soon. Yeah. Years back in the win column. Volkov ski and Mendez. I think is another big fight. That's coming up. Remember, man. This is a division. That is just on fire. You know, it was interesting. Not just my McConnell, but I believe another fight not as high profile, some it might not matter. But I believe it was also at one forty five towards the end of the year, and who was at one forty five or who we recently had on the show. Probably we've had on the show most this year, not only had most in the show. But especially with George seems to have a good luck with matchmaking. That's Michael Johnson. He said he was eyeing a fall out. And I wonder if he'll I wonder if that's one he'll do that was that was one of the cards. He was eyeballing when we broke it down with them in studio. Yeah. Michael johnson. He, you know, I I'm not saying I don't want to jinx somebody doesn't ever seem to just be out to injury or anything. So. Now that I remember it's dicta fell out of the McConnell fight. Yeah. If Johnson can slip in there, or if somebody else ready to go, maybe Edgar who knows I'd love to see it. But. Mcconnell is kind of in a spot where he almost wait out two weeks. Just to see what happens with this fight. And then maybe be next. You know, I I know it doesn't want to go the route of forte go wins. I don't know if we're taking will be ready to dance with my Konno's says it just went down. But they did have a great fight. It may qualify, but he hasn't fought max Holloway and max Holloway. Should he come out the Victor against Brian Ortega? I imagine he's gonna wanna busy two thousand nineteen dance card because things really really slow down for max Holloway in the last year eighteen months, so that's something to keep an eye on. We'll see how these guys play their hands. But again, we about six to nine months ago, the three of us. I don't know what we were doing the rankings or just looking at things and top to bottom. We looked and said, wow, featherweight might be the most activision man that in the history of the you have see it is just killer after killer from top to bottom, you know. So that thing exciting division to keep an eye on. Yeah. For sure them bantamweight. Those are two I think those might be my two favorite weight classes right now. Yeah. All right. How about this guys? Plea is there the correct adjectives? To describe what you felt when you saw Johnny Walker and this performance over Khalil Roundtree. I mean, look like a father beating the crap out of his son in, you know, behind the woodshed country style. I couldn't believe how good Johnnie Walker looked versus Khalil Roundtree and ground. She's coming off a vicious kale himself. I thought this was going to be a more competitive fight. But Walker made it look easy. You know, there's something us talking to somebody here earlier for Mandalay bay about that fight and he threw an elbow even earlier before the second one that pretty much put him down. Look like it really stunned him. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's where it started to begin. And then just landing that second one. You're right, man. Like, you know, that what's that thing that you punched a call the, Bob or whatever it's just the body torso. It look like yet. One of those grabbed hold of it and Pammy hit it with that one. And those are some brutal shots, man. I really I liked Khalil Roundtree. I want him to take some time though after this one because that one really seemed to to hit them pretty hard man that you need to rest your brain out or something like that great performance. It was a brutal KO and against someone. I noticed that was hard to watch for me personally. But I was just laughing just now because of Georgia's analogy, I'm a father beating which it what did you say southern style. I just imagine things literally. And it makes them more funny. Father hitting the sons enough does he have to do. The more tile bow to like this. Like this route old. Yeah. You could hear it on the replay. Which was. It was. That was that was a rough this guy. Johnny Walker that take nothing away from him. I mean, you know, how hard to hard to watch on a close eye on the on the positive side for Walker. Does this guy remind you of like a pride Allaster over two five six five frame and just wing and hammers these. Yeah. Kind of I mean. Yeah. He is a big cat. And I know he came through that Dino contender Susan, I believe for Brazil. But for me, I skipped those I think I may have caught a highlight or just seen results. I didn't know who the hell Johnny Walker was or what was about to happen. But damn I mean, I was like, whoa. You know, what if I had been so quick you could just rewind? You know, when you had plenty of time before Llamas in Elkins and watch it three or four times just to see holy cow. Was this was this was a worker? What I mean, this this was it was pretty vicious, man. And if you look at walkers face, he just looked confident the whole time like it was gonna happen. And it was going to happen that fast now two things one one was when Khalil through a a leg kick, you know, to the guy Walker kinda like rubbed it and acted like, ooh, you got me. You know, like like I'm supposed to fear those or something like that. It wasn't. I don't think Rowntree's best effort, but still it was just a. Kick prime maybe gauging distance or something or maybe just trying to set something up for the future later in the fight. But that was one thing a lot of people obviously in martial arts. You know, they they love the respect between two competitors. And so someone more like me might be like, ooh, it's calling them out or whatever talking talking to smack and then there's other like, I don't like the guy style. But regardless the fight plays out and Walker properly wins. But did you guys notice that when he won? He also shoved the ref off in a way that. Yeah, that that was like two two quick. Actions by a fighter by a competitor. Where even me I like a little bit of that rough stuff, and I tell people, you know, he's up a little bit you, you know, this is a nasty sport. And things like that is going to happen. That's one I didn't like because that referee is there to break up two guys that are trying to us assault each other on the verge of death will say, and so in that a lot of times, they gotta get hit, you know, especially when they stop a ground Pounder, you know, that type of stuff Judas gotta get in there. And a lotta times you'll get hit. By by one of those missiles, whether it's an ear an elbow or punch. Nobody ever says all man hope the rest, okay, or whatever. But in doing that in stopping it. You're doing well carrying for the father fighter that's on the bottom, but also stopping the savage that's on top of them. So you have to be careful. You can't just dive on top of the guy on the bottom. Either yet to do it in emotion where you're kind of supporting yourself over that guy. So when Walker did that I didn't like it man, it it really rubbed me the wrong way. Now, we'll see how how Walker tackles those? He may just be the next. He'll you know. And if he is he's off to one hell of a start. But either way man, it was still a statement win. Great great point, George. I'm glad you brought that up because. Doing tape study for Walker. There's actually two two incidents questionable incidents not necessarily involving raft. But just we'll just say what the guy's character that they shouldn't be involved with the fight one of them. I believe is kind of toward the end of his Dana white Susan I- contenders fight and the other was on the regional seen in Brazil. So it's not something new in. What it is is it's an assertion of bravado, right guys as happens in all sports. I'm looking at the screen across from me now, and it's football, Dan, Thomasson know, much about football. But I know about that dumb role where you can't celebrate. And I don't I don't necessarily agree with that role in the end zone. But if you expect those savages in the NFL to have to monitor themselves seller is celebrating in a dance. Know should go without saying that you should be able to. I know it's a fight. But you know. Even more to the point, you know, you should be able to control yourself and stop when the referee says stop bells, you know, what I'm saying you already trained to to stop it signals and officials when you see the official stepping in. There's no excuse for that, whatever what it was was an assertion of bravado. And apparently for Johnnie Walker. He had to assert it no matter who is there. So when when you see the guy that one act like that. Yes. Kinda weird. Yeah. I agree with you. I really want to just tell them look man that was a great way. And that was a great debut win, you know, under the banner now, let's call the Dana white contender series kinda like its own little promotion or or series, or whatever you wanna call it. But, you know, read Harris or one of those exists that always travels pull the guy aside and said, listen, man, that's just not how we do things here. You know, I mean, we're just getting past you'll see two twenty nine but that build up it manifested itself for years not that there's any excuse for it. But but still does Khalil Roundtree is really really quiet respectful guy. You won the fight the referee. I've seen them in action before looks like he's. You know, a good addition to the to the referee stable, but you you just don't need to be acting like that, you know, because from here on out. What were you? They're going to do something on our own. If the commission doesn't do it which I think is something that you've see should start looking at. Or well, I guess I if you wanna go extreme you'll just no longer be a part of the of the organization, but I know that that one's a long shot because when the has themselves an asset than they want to keep it, but you know, a week or two ago we were talking about light-heavyweight and how shallow that division is. And with the resurgence of Corey Anderson with Anthony Smith dropping in for middleweight looking good Mesa circuit off back in the win column. Yom blocker wits won't go away Krylov, they resigned. And then of course, you gotta these these other guys like mandala to share Latifi Gustafsen that just been around for a long time. Volcan had a great year last year. I still consider him, you know, a top guy, but the young guys like Alexander, wreckage and Dominic Reyes. And now this dude. Hey, I like I like where the UC's starting to go again with two oh five. I think I think it's the guys at the top that really makes it division seem shallow just because they're just they're so good. But if you were to really take them away, it would really become a competitive is it it'd be a lot of fun. So we'll see man. Well, that's what's going to happen. Korea is going to go away in March of two thousand nineteen Anthony Johnson went away last year and Jones can go away at any moment, you know, on his own volition. But with Bater Davis over a Bela Tor, it's like right away to the top five. Light-heavyweight? So the last five years, you know, are are just Dr they are not in the for one reason or another or at least that could be the case. So we wanna make sure we always restock the shelves who knows maybe Cormie six around. Maybe Jones gets his act together. Maybe AJ does come back. Not too heavy, but the light heavy, but that that wants more like a long shot. And of course, the other guys are pretty entrenched over there at a ballot or Hal Davis. Maze. Obviously slip out of the top five now with that loss. He took the numb cough. But anyway, regardless I I was just I just thought that was an incredible debut by Johnny Walker. I love how we also have to throw that caveat, John, John, but John John is gonna be gone at anytime like this is a reference above my own head. But if like the US was like magic the gathering like John Jones, the only way to beat him would be like the self sabotage card like. All these things that sad. But it's true. Because right now, if you say, oh, man, I got some news regarding Jones in why he's not fighting. You know, any other fighter you go with the injured. It's not one of those serious ones. Is it, you know, nine month. Achilles heel whatever or Kenny Kenny fight it UFC two thirty. So you have to go through that. No. It's not that man. Don't tell me you saw them, you know. Holy cow is going to have a defense to supplement. What? No, no, no. It's not that either. I don't tell me got in his car. You see what I'm saying? There's just so many reasons why Jones can no longer be an active fighter that that. That's that's the one where you know that that's the chalk money right there. He's the one that of all all the fighters. That's just more likely to be a constant staple. You know, a two five anyway. All right. Just a ground. We we gotta take a break here. But just around at the main card an and Marlin VERA and Cynthia Calvi oh got wins. To spend some time on the Calvia win. We still got another ninety minutes to go on the show. But first things first let's pay some bills we've got to do that. And then come back without I a- Quinta. And then after that we can rally a relax a little bit and keep going through all the results from USC finite. One forty bell tower to nine LFA one championship whatever you guys want to discuss during the allied Quinn to interview, I suggest you get in the queue if you want to discuss this with us. It's eight six six five two two two four six. You're listening to EMI junkie radio on fire nation channel ninety three. Stretch marks only underbelly of the MMA community. But hey stretch marks. So the new tax. They are gorgeous toured and goes. The saints win another statement game. The Redskins lose their quarterback and a ton of wild finishes. And if I'll radios recapping a wild football Sunday right now on channel eighty eight and streaming on your phone and on Sirius XM connected devices and speakers. All right. Our guest today is out. I a- Quinta. He is going to be fighting at UC on FOX thirty one and that fight card comes up on December fifteenth. So we're a little bit under a month away from that. It's gonna take place in Milwaukee. Wisconsin most notably. This will be the last fight card on big FOX. That's right. Big fox. So the Iaquinta leave fight will actually be the last fight on big FOX, not the Fox Sports family because as we know we still have the UC to thirty two card happening later in the month. So on Fox Sports one I believe you're gonna have some prelims there. But still have the notable fights of the FOX there. It'll be these two cats. They're running it back. If you recall ally Quinn. To defeated Kevin Lee back in two thousand fourteen. So we'll see how this one turns out. We join are not joined by ally went to on the hotline what's up about how you doing. Not much. How about yourself? Out. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. All right. You're my man. Like, I've told you in the past an ally. Quinta part of MA is a is a good thing. Whether it's your tweets or. Let's say your antics, good and bad. You're you're very entertaining. I like having you around. So I like it when you pop up on a card. Appreciate that. I. I'd just like to fight. So I'm glad that I'm. I got a big fight coming up top opponent. Right up there in the rankings. Ready to? Win this fight and put myself right back up. There. Was it hard for them to convince you to take this fight being that you've already fought him before and have defeated them. Not really I mean, he's he's been on a chair since then he's won a bunch of fights. And he's looked dominant and especially his last night. So I think that. Everything came together. It's it's time. It's the right place to write opponent. It's. It's gonna be exciting. It's the last card on FOX ever. But the. Yeah. Yeah. Some big stuff. It's. It's it's pretty pretty cool that I'm finally getting to fight on FOX, FOX. It'll be the last one that'd be my first and last so it's pretty pretty cool for me. So I'll you noted that Kevin's gotten better since your last fight, and that obviously he's been on a tear. How would you categorize your skills since you fought, Kevin Lee? Do you feel like you've gotten as just as much better as he has or even more like assessing yourself? You know? I don't know. I I. Tom comparing myself to him in that. I mean, I've just I just know myself I've gotten a lot better. I don't think you know, I put it in so much work. I have I progressed in my life in every way. I enjoy I've always enjoyed fighting. But I knew when I was in when I was I think Kevin. I was about the same age when I went through a tough knee surgery. And it really opened my eyes up to how the score really is. So I I definitely have learned a ton about about life about everything then, you know, he's just been focusing on on fighting. And I think as a as a person I've grown inside and outside of the cage. So I not worried about money anymore. I'm just worried about having fun. And what I have the most fun doing is fighting. So it's you're going to see the best the best ally quit doubt there with no worries. Let it let it go. And and just enjoying the entire process from fight week the way into fight. Everything's gonna be. It's gonna be really looking forward to it. Do you no longer worry about money because you're killing it in real estate 'cause the gave you what you wanted. Or is it just your frame of mind that you're just not gonna worry about you know, the money like you used to? I like all three of those things put together, I think the UFC definitely. Definitely working with me a lot and have a lot better relationship with them. I think the getting behind me a lot more. And that is definitely motivating. I do have the real estate thing that I have to fall back on. So in case anything happened in my career. I I'm not just you know, left out hung out to dry. I basically have two incomes coming in. Now, I've come over professional fighter. And you know, I'd say not fulltime real estate agent. If I put all my eggs in that basket. I could absolutely kill it. But I am I'm doing really well with this on unexcited on that into. It's really fun after my fights to. When I see I don't know what guys do after they take time off. They just kind of like hang out on what I've been doing is. I have I go to the office, and I really focus on that. And they kind of go hand in hand. I have my downtime is is taken up by. Bogus in real estate. And it's keeping me busy occupied. Helping me out financially. One other thing we're talking to ally Quinta here folks, he headlines you've see on FOX thirty one versus Kevin Lee on December fifteenth and Al has been a ranked fighter for like the last five years. So there's going to be a good one with Kevin's resurgence or surgeons I should say since I lost Quinta. He is also ranked fighter. So this could have title implications as we look forward to two thousand nineteen I guess that is my next question. Now, where do you feel now that kinda there's orders been restored? You know with Connor had the the bell for such a long time wasn't defending and then they did the whole interim. And then finally we had cubby versus the former champ in congress. All that's been sorted out. We everybody kind kinda suspects. Tony will be next. But after that, do you feel like you're in that NextWave like, hey, if I beat Kevin start throwing start throwing my name out. Do you feel strongly about your position? Absolutely. If I put on a dominant performance. Puts you right up. There. You never know in this sport. I mean, I got a freaking title shot. The number eleven's writings guy, so. You win. And you're in that top that makes you have people talking about you. And anytime you can throw in right in there. And you know, gotta be ready for it. I think I was I learned so much last night. So I'm going to I'm gonna be ready. For any opportunity that comes my way. And just so people know you also didn't prepare for five round fight you prepared for three round fight not that he prepared for you specifically, but he prepared for five round fight you're preparing for someone else. So I know you both were preparing for different opponents. I still thought that you had. You know, the more difficult situation going in therefore, I think if you handle your business. You should be entitled to a proper camp versus the proper champion. And all that's that's kind of what I was implying. I I still think you know, the UC kind of what oh you that one. But first things first Kevin Lee on December fifteenth. All right. Absolutely. Let me turn it over to the guys back in Vegas goes what do you for ally? Quinta. When you have a guy like, Kevin Lee. I know you've already fought him once but Kevin's a type of guy that he likes to talk a little smack and try and get into his opponent's heads when you have a fight like that. Does it almost make it more enjoyable to have those back and forth, or is it more of a distraction? Now, I did was it was all fun and games. And it was all good to kinda like poke it Kevin a little bit. But once the freight get signed, it's all business. I'm just I'm I'm just focused on trading hard every day. What I'd say. It's all business. I mean, it's all real good. It's like by business. Not hype the big business real business like in the in the gym working hard getting strong getting fast. Watching film breaking down everything about my life about. Marching on his fights getting a game plan together with my coaches and my team and bringing everything together, I'm just focused on myself right now, I have been for the past, you know, eight weeks got a couple more to go and use. It'd be the hardest. Probably the hardest weeks in my training coming up right here. And I'm feeling great. I'm gonna peak right at the right time and. Just looking forward to it. This may sound like a dumb question, but you brought up it's just business. And I was talking before the show about this. Now's wondering, I know you're a professional when it comes to fighting, and when it comes to the real estate side. But would you be able to dial it in so much that you could actually sell Kevin Leah house during the campaign? You guys could actually work that way knowing you guys are going to fight pretty soon. Is that something that you would even be able to do? That's why I said that's a dumb question. That's genius question. Right there. Like, I don't know how how much pot you were smoking to think about that. Able to do it though. Hey business is business. I care. So that commission commission checks so fucking fast. I take it right to the Bank, absolutely. All right. Let's turn it over to the fight analysts. Dan, Tom, Dan. What do you have for Alec winter? Hey, Al I just had a question, you know, earlier maybe earlier this year before maybe twenty seventeen I should say, you're working with the New York sports science lab to get over some injuries. And you were really raven about them, you know, and obviously they had they had you looking good feeling good and fighting good. So my question is do you still work with them for any preventative or maintenance and whatnot? Even though you're pass those injuries. Absolutely. I've been I'm not paying any injuries. This fort truck. Trust me on that. I go out there at least twice a week make the trip. It's an hour without traffic. There's always traffic on the belt Parkway. So I'll be going out there tomorrow, Dr Piazza and one I mean this their whole team is really just on another level. Just going to that place. The positivity weaving there, you could be one of the worst training session ever the day before you walk into that place hurt dying up mentally scattered Dr Piazza staff. Really pull it together. Bring get my mental. You know, get my mentality on point. And it's my body up to where I'm ready to train hard again until I break down the next time. But I do it again, it's been a it's been a great cycle to keep me. Keep me on on the right track. You guys are the best. They have the best equipment. They have the best staff. So that's something. I'll use them forever training camp. And I can't thank those guys who. Quick quick quick follow up on that. Speaking of which, you know, you're you're saying you're saying all the all these things, and I don't doubt it, but do you ever recommend any your other fighters friends like that are in the New York area? And I asked us because we're seeing a lot of fighters come down to where we're at this radio show here in Vegas. Lot of fighters are relocating for the benefits of the PI. But it sounds like you have all that and more where you're at is that something that's opened other fighters or. So you're talking about the sports size lab. Yes, sir. Absolutely. Yeah. No for sure I mean, we long island's a great place to train and and really just live other than the cold winters. I think that's the only downside. But we're. I live teen minutes from the beach. I rent out rooms to fighters fighters, come out all the time, and they stay with me. And they they come to the gym. We have Ray Longos. Law. Emma, may widens Jim and raise Jim and then twenty minutes away from there, we have Matt Sarah, Jim and. Signs lead not far away that your guard close to Manhattan and just. A plethora of of fighters sparring partners. Who's wine the flare? Bermuda's those guys bellmore kickboxing has a great Harrison at a bunch of guys. So there's there's no shortage of trading partners. And it's a great great community. There's been a lot of guys coming out for sure we have we have we have a good time over here. I'm glad you brought that up because I was the second part to the train Allen to ask you about. Obviously, you know, for from your own team to Long Island, Emma may given them some love, you know, you guys have had quietly a high level training partners. Good coaches all the above for some time now. But I gotta say this this recent interational, Sarah long. Cut you off real quick before. I forgot to mention Chris Wade, I weighed is a great fighter out of Long Island, Long Island guy. And he's been helping me out tremendously for this can't be vinaigre sparring partners. So I gotta throw I forgot to mention him. I say. The other guys I've ever met. I'm sorry. I'm a fan of Chris way to respect. I'm fat Chris way to underrated guy respect there. So no problem. But but this guy's a legend. I went I went to South Dakota with them for for one of our sponsors American ethanol, and we just we had a great time. It was a party out there. The guy's a legend for sure. That's awesome, man. But I'm seeing almost like some new faces at Serra Longo though, as far as you guys like for Vala who's probably been there. But but now he's getting recognized by more people, you got Okla Sasaki coming over from Japan. Obviously, you've got a device video crazy wrestler guy. Sounds like you got a lotta great guys to keep you on your toes. I was going to ask you about that. But more specifically, you got a picture with Matt for volley here and your Instagram, Al. And it's a and it says solid sparring tonight. I suspect my father was rooting for steam roller for villa. What's that all about? The kind of a little joke. So. I walk in and Matt for bowl his father was there with Matt. And he comes up to me. And he goes, hey, don't kick my sons there. So don't hurt him or something like that, you know? And then like my dad would come in, and he stayed a massive volley. Hey, kick kick you're kicking beat them up enough. Like, forty hours saying. Fees for Mr. for voglio way nicer than my father. My father was to get my ass kicked. You're looking out for your son is just kind of. Just kind of. That by now just sound like there's a funny inside story. Just like you share it. So that's what I was hoping for man, they come out that at all. Yeah. No. That was it for sure it was it was it was sorry. All right now, we took up enough of your time. But it's always great to catch up with you. Like, I said, you're an entertaining interview. You're an entertaining fighters. So it's always great when we get to catch up with you, really. Appreciate it. I hope you have a safe camp whatever's left, and of course, you know, we'll be tuning in on December fifteenth. It's gonna be a great fight between you and Kevin Lima. Man. I appreciate it. Thank you very much guy that dank you. All right. Take rather. And we'll talk to you soon. That is out. I acquainted folks. Give them a follow on Twitter at out. I went to an he is not playing around. He actually is very successful in Long Island as a real estate agent. So check them out. On that side of things to if you want to do some business, he'll sell you a house by Sela rent. All right, folks. We'll be right back its enemy junkie radio on Sirius XM fight nation channel ninety three. Up up down down left, right left. Right. The a start. You told me that code would get rid of them. Yeah. We'll they're still here. Okay. But now, they know I tried to kill them. Hold on mom here. Jordan goes here. Fantasy football reaction right now on fantasy sports radio from dominant running backs saquon Barkley and Zeke Elliot to another huge offense a showing from the New Orleans Saints. Call in talk about your favorite team, whether you clinched a playoff spot for got eliminated on fancy sports radio series to ten x eighty seven and streaming on the Sirius XM app and at home unconnected devices and speakers. Ally quinta. If you want a little bit more info on the real estate side, if you go to his Twitter page at ally. Quinta just scroll there where it says home, knockout dot com and to really really nicely designed website about him and his real estate agent career. So there is the easy link or just call eight three three four six six three seven six one ally. Quinta is a thirteen four and one he'll be headlining versus Kevin Lee. Even though we lost his last fight against Habibi. Basically got thrown in there to fight for the vacant UFC. Lightweight title back at UC to twenty three in April. Like, he said, he learned a lot. And he's no slouch, man. He's he's being some good lightweights. He had an injury that kept him out for a while and a couple contract disputes. But prior to that guys he had won eight of his last nine since his run on the ultimate fighter when he lost in the finals against Chiasso. So we'll see how things play out he's kind of playing with house money in terms of if him and Kevin Lee would have to dance a third time. I you know, if you were to drop this fight. And by that. I mean, you know, he's view on the first one. So he's got that luxury. I guess I don't know that we're really set for this being one of those fights. But we need to see three times. What you just never know in our sport. Both guys are fairly young. All right. Couple of quick shout outs here before we get to the top of the hour break on the YouTube chat. Wanna give a shout out to FA 'em Eighty-eight winning slot bids? Ben Hanson, DJ, Tony. Ryan Gerard knuckle up a one, oh one and Kate. I'm sure there's a few more in there, and I'll get to those and just a sec going back to the fight card that we were discussing early. Let me just give some info I don't think we'll have enough time for any discussion or phone calls now. But in the second hour, it's wide open, and we can do just that a more talking about these fight cars that took place unpacking them. And you know, seeing what's next for each rider along with taking the call so eight six six five two two two eight four six is the number to call in. So the rest of the card win like went like this Michelle for Sarah's was now up to a being a welterweight, he defeated bar toes. I've been sqi Alexander Pinto defeated Buca Sasaki Austin Arnett net, defeated Umberto Bandini. Laureano strep Holly, defeated Hector, Donna. Hey, sues Pinedo, defeated Devin Powell and nod narrow Mani defeated Anderson dos Santos, the bonuses a fifty thousand they went to the following fighters for fight of the night. It was Laureano star poli versus sector Aldana. That's the fight that goes just referenced even those thirty twenty seven still still a fan pleaser for sure performance of the night went to Santiago, Ponza Navio and Johnny Walker. They got fifty thousand each for their shutdowns of Neil Magny and Khalil Roundtree respectively. The fights took place at Estadio Mary Theron device in Buenos Itis Argentina ten thousand two hundred forty five were in attendance. We did not get a gate figure. All right again. The number to call in eight six six five two two two eight four six we're just going to be gone for one minute. And then we'll be back for the second hour of the junk radio show, so call in and participate or leave a question in the chat. We'll be back. You guys are terrible about taking care of their health. 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But I thought it was going to be like, you know, VIN diesel is group I group I didn't know how Ryan Reynolds was gonna come into play the very first trailer for detective peaked you got released. I can't believe I'm going to say this. But I'm in. I'm going to see this movie in theaters watch live on the is why YouTube stream. Wait. Bubis sends time right? It does except for the aircraft's. Obviously, I got a funny story about this. And I'm scared. I well, I don't ask us. I had a flight suit because a flight suit could be turned into like so many because we turn it. So to so many different costumes, right? You'd be a ghostbuster. Michael myers. Yeah. Well, it was just started off as something innocent just being a top gun guy. I me and my buddy Jake. We both got flight suits at aviator glasses, and we just got super drunk and listen to this song all night. Like, I may meet it burnt CD with fifteen tracks all Kenny Loggins highway to the danger zone fast forward, my friend wards. Like, dude, I lost my CD booklet back when they were CD booklets. I have to drive all the way back to Reno for college. I have nothing to listen to it. I'm like, dude. I got you covered. He also came to me for punk rock hardcore museum like I got a mix of fifteen the latest punk hardcore tracks, it will keep you busy in jamming all the way. There's a thanks, man. Literally gives them. He's often speeding about twenty minutes later. I get a cough. Fuck you, man. Eating ticket was all highway dangerous and he's like fifteen tracks. Really? Why would you make this? Why would you give this to me? Sorry. I wanna do that. Now is a great set. How would you not get a speeding ticket listening to that song? It's impossible asking why should have gotten there faster? You should be thanking me you're gonna watch top gun to George. When's to come out there filming it right now? Are you serious? I thought it was for real. No, no for real. Whenever it comes out. I'm in. Nika Fleiss way. Of course. Hey, you know, what we are going to take calls and and will. You know, discuss finished discussing some of those fights that took place this past weekend. But unfortunate news here on one end. Did you guys see there was actually the first thing I opened up here to report? Rachel ostrich hospitalized domestic violence investigation opened. Now, it's a quick little. Post on the front page of made junkie. So I'm just gonna read it. I'm sure there's going to be big news because this is a very sensitive topic in our country and one that of course, we should not have to any woman should not have to put up with something like this. But I I imagined at this point there in the allegations these are allegations, I should say, and so we'll we'll try lightly on this. But basically what happened see women's flyweight? Rachel Ostovic reportedly suffered a broken orbital bone after being attacked in Honolulu TMC dot com. First reported the alleged incident, adding that the police have opened a felony domestic violence investigation. While details remain scarce at the moment. Hawaii's K H O N two dot com. Cited a source that indicated Austin inches and is in bad shape. It's very sad. That was the quote there from the source at K H O N, two dot com. UFC officials were not immediately available for comment ostriches rep declined comment when contacted by junkie as you all know her Rachel Ostovic was supposed to face page vans at at UC on ESPN, plus one. On January nineteenth at the Barclay center. In Brooklyn, New York ostrich who is twenty seven. It was a cast member on the ultimate fighter twenty six bowing out in the quarterfinals after losing a unanimous decision to bar haunt. However, the Hawaiian was brought back for the seasons. Life and Allie where she submitted Corinne Gevorkian in the opening round ostrich competed most recently in July suffering a submission loss to Montana dela Rosa at the ultimate fighter twenty seven finale. So again, they're in the allegation stage. But they're saying she's in bad shape is very sad. I think what that means. You know, obviously, the the broken bones is a very very serious injury. But I think I wanna be clear about this in bad shape. I don't think they mean in terms of her life. I just think in terms of the injuries. She probably suffered that that would be my guess. Yeah. Physical and emotional too. You know? Correct. Yeah. No name is attached to this to these allegations. So that's all we can really report at this time. But anyway, thought I'd pass it along. Yeah. No, I'll add a again, you know, you can't really add much on on this kind of stuff. You gotta you gotta wait till to the details are out and fortunately, or unfortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how you want a dice this up. You know, there's a lot of ways. But I'll just say this. I just hope it's not a trend that that that continues. Obviously like George said, it's not just as a sensitive subject in our country. But it's something like it's related and unfortunately associated with sports, right? The NFL boxers mixed martial artists. It's it's not uncommon to see see these kind of stories and to see it on the other. So so for as a fan of this form of more importantly as a fan of human beings and women a lot of women come to these sports through, you know, as a way to you know. Cathartic combat and push forward and empower themselves, and and that's how they get into these. You know, someone who teach women self defense or teach kickboxing classes, you see them come, you know, come in for those reasons. And now we're seeing these women's even even taking step into fighting and having all the success. And I'm just I I'll just leave it at that that I just hope it's not a trend that continues on for them to. It's it's it's it's not it's not something any of us want to see. Most definitely now a couple other things here guys just to throw out some topics which if y'all wanna away on that's fine. And if not fine we'll continue recap in the event on Saturday, excuse me or taking the calls. Danny also, I don't have the X because I'm in Costa Mesa. So just let me know what's going on via text. All right. We did an interview with James Vick and the writers recap that even though he said the loss hurt you knows depressing humiliating, Vic cats swagger and his voice in it. Sounds like he's ready to go. You know, it'd be fighting Paul Felder. In Anaheim if I'm not mistaken. So that's a great great fight booking for both guys. Also, an interesting story on me date as she details. The road to one championship she had actually had this vision of four years ago guys and after baby was born she reached out to chart re Sidya, Tom who is the CEO of one championship and asked if there was anything. Does she could, you know, work with that promotion because she really I guess fell in love with Singapore just fell in love with what what one championship was doing. So not that she's trying to say, hey, I was here before Eddie Alvarez. And in Dimitrius Johnson. I think she was just telling the interesting story of how long she's been thinking about maybe some sort of change either in the scenery or you know, her career, but. Anyway, the the stories there for you guys to read also bell torture nine like, I mentioned to you guys. Pit bull sets new all time wins Mark him. He's up there man pit bull freighter. You gotta give them some respect. He's held about the few times, and he's had his fair share of title defenses and just big big wins in his career. So if you wanna take a look at that a lot of people really really enjoy those facts and stats that are provided on our website that you can see from time to time also golden boy, they lowered their pay per view price for Saturday's Ladele versus or Ortiz three. There's two things for one. It was forty. Let's this is round up. It was fifty bucks. They lowered it to forty. But I believe that. I'm black Friday. You can get it for twenty. If I read the article right provided there by Steven Morocco. Now, I know that for fifty hours and getting it and for forty I'm still not sure if I was getting it just 'cause thanksgiving, I think of family, I think of football, still and. I don't know that this is a fight that I've been clamoring to see. But I'll tell you what for twenty. I think you got me, you know. So check it out. I think a lot of you will feel like me, you know, they they got some other fighters on that fight car. You know that you're familiar with Dave to row africanus darrow's on that card. So there's a few matchups in the think will make for fun time. And then, you know, you always say, hey, I want to support these fighters whatever they do. This is a new promotion if you wanna give him some love, and this is the time to do it. And I think twenty's Purdy fair forties. A tough ask ask. But we'll see Oscar de LA Hoya keeps saying that. They're seventy percent sold out at the forum. For the fights on the twenty fourth. So I think that's pretty impressive. Honestly, I mean, the forum in the Lakers played there for many years, and that's about a seventeen thousand seat arena now, unless they're like blacking out the upper sections, you know, and maybe condensing it down to twelve thousand or something to me. That's an impressive market tells me that they're I sure over ten thousand maybe closer to twelve thousand if the whole arenas open. But if not it's still an impressive number. We'll see how much truth there is to it. And lastly, there's a recap there of our interview with Antonio shaneco talking about the way the shaneco sisters have been prepping for their upcoming fights. All right, guys. Let's take this call from Showtime in Tennessee. And then we'll get back to some stuff that when that's stuff, but basically the events that took place this past weekend. All right Showtime from Tennessee. What's up, buddy? Going up. I love that not much in you. Man. A normal Monday man, I grind listen to my baby. Guys talk about him in man. Thank you, man. Always appreciate your support. Oh, yeah. You know, what I think the cards is weekend may. A little bit better than I expected. You know, I I really didn't expect a whole lot out of the heart. I wasn't disappointed. You know? No, exactly, I if you're at home watching TV all day, watching football, relaxing. You know, you put in your hard work all week. It was a great way to cap off a night or day actually of sports. I went to the whole, you know, I went and started tailgating at eight AM sat through a whole football game. That didn't go my way. Drove back out a nice dinner with my buddy, Gabe. And then walked in to basically like the last four or five fights on the main card, and there was some great fights. You know, then I was able to to on Sunday go back and find, you know, some of the other ones that I miss. But like I say, I know the over saturation a complaint for sure I it's valid. But once the fights are made and they're happening, and these guys and gals are going through training camps and going through the way in process and showing up the fight you tell me what channel I'll put it on. And I'll definitely all usually enjoy it too. Oh, yeah. It was a pretty decent car that the the main bit man. Pretty exciting fight. A man, I I wouldn't mind. You know, seeing him go up. On a higher level opponent. I don't think he's at the, you know, the the point to be calling out Whitley with. I know we like to make a little boy on that. But it's a couple of other guys man there that that I wouldn't mind being in fight. I I wish they would read books, but by that he got hurt at full out. I think that would be a good fight. But if you if you buy me a fighter I don't think you've got enough to fight him if you'd like a lot higher than you might think that you get that of the day was fight. Has a nasty style. But it's a it's a a band prelate style of. Yeah. Very fan friendly. I was gonna. Joe showtime? I was just gonna say that I was gonna say that do you do you actually watch the whole car from start to finish from the prelims because I know it was it was a longer car that was maybe one of the one of the complaints that. I saw the action was good. But as far as the length of the car, did you watch that whole thing. Every call from from the first three Leo, you know, through the main event. In watch it, even if I'm moving around, I got it on my my tablet, if I'm if I'm going somewhere, I got. So I'm watching every fight. All right. So let's talk about ponds Navia. What should be next for him? Even though he called out Woodley. We know. That's not gonna happen. We all we all believe Woodley. Kobe Covington all fight sometime in two thousand nineteen. I'm looking at the USA today. Sports and MMA junkie rankings Warren, McDonald's, a tour now, I get down to number four Darren till there until is coming off a loss for Tyron Woodley has no fight booking that I've heard of has entertained going up the middleweight, but could stay well to it. Stephen Thompson was rumored to be fighting Robbie Lawler, but rob Lauder has been signed to fight Ben asking. So Stephen Thompson is kind of technically out there. So is Darren till hop failed. Assan? Joe's has Comorros mon-. So they're booked. I stated what Lawler has that's been asking Douglas Lima's over at Bela Tor, then I get to number ten Damian. Maya who hasn't fought since I just looked at it the other day it was made that he fought? Let's see if I got this, right? Yeah. I was versus Comorros modified in may he lost before that he lost a Covington. So I suppose he could be like the next step because even though it's coming off losses. He's ranked higher than Ponza Navio Larkin's over at bell tour positive would just be Magni. In fact, that's the that's the jump puns. The navy will probably wind up taking over Magni course, cough. Probably MAs Vidal's. Well, so I don't know. I just tossed out some names who do you guys think makes sense for ponds Navio? I think Darren till over Damian Maya than key. He's more at that Darren till level. But there's so many people there waiting so many different scenarios with what comes out of that RDA who's mon- fi. I mean, there's so many things that I'm not so sure puns on EBay. Oh, I don't blame him for calling out the champ. But I I think he's a little further. Then then he thinks he is. But a fight like there until the type that would probably get him a little closer. Just don't know that that you have seen. What book it though, I think? If anything maybe they might see the fall out of out of some of these cards and from their piece it together. Yeah. I I agree. I like the tell one I also like the Thompson both those matchups I guess politically, but stylistically or they're fun because they're both counterfeiting guys on you have a a nonstop fresh, garlic ponds and abo so they're both gonna kind of invite each other into their games that those are always fun matchups. I like Thomson because I think till this is the perfect time for him to try middleweight, try it and see how you feel because right now he's out of the loop in terms of competing for world title. He just had his title shot. So he's even if he wins one or two there's just no reason to book him in a title shot anytime anytime soon, especially if Woodley keeps winning so now's the time for till say. All right. Let me stick my toe over middleweight see how it goes. Maybe he winds up having a gas to lament type of run, you never know. And if not maybe feels that size and the strength and goes on. All right. I'm gonna keep things on point. I'll keep using that PI around up my camps, and I'll continue. To be a one seventy got. I don't know. Because obviously, we'll talk about Cinta Cavallo and these way cuts and what they're doing to some of these athletes, especially the longevity. I it could be you know, it's it's it's a decision that he has to be very serious about. So I would say Showtime Thompson, and maybe Maya, unfortunately, both guys coming off losses might make sense. I gotta believe who's mon- beats dose on Joe's. He's not gonna want anyone else. Other than the would the Woodley called Covington winner. If if those on Joe's wins. I don't know that he can get a shot because he just lost to Covington. So would have to play out in a certain way, or he would just have to do something very special against Comorros Mon. And then of course, you now you got this wildcard Ben aspirin undefeated. You never know imagine. If he has a great showing against Robbie Lawler. He's always going to be in the mix. But this is a very very exciting division. Surani Liane Edwards. Alex Oliveira, you know, hey, all those guys at the bottom that have been kind of kind of beating each other up. I love to see them continue to stay busy. And I want to see these guys getting back to two to three fights in two thousand nineteen a lot of top fighters only fought once or twice in two thousand eighteen we can't have that the new norm. That's the way it's going to be dude. I'm telling you, they're making more money. Now, I feel like that's going to be the new norm for champions spite in two times a year even copied tenders. All right Showtime. We wanted to give you as much time as possible because I know we cut you off a couple of times last last week. Did you want to say anything else before we went on the Marco? I just think that that's people wonder what's going to be a good fight because he normally eat high pressure fido's up. He normally just kind of them to death. So I think that that that'd be a good choice for. I heard that. All right, buddy. Thanks for calling in. Let's go to Marco and Waco, Texas. What's up Marco? Dura some go. Also. The active at any. All that out. Good. Segment but Gary look off on a. On the way. For the little on. So. Anyway. Right now. What can you what you'll be able get you feel like you? One minute. And then they don't get. Though, I would like to see that fight. Well, if you think about it if you think about it who's mon- who's also undefeated, by the way. No, no, no, no. I think he might have one loss. I'm sorry. Let me look it up for fast. It was one of the one on. Sorry. I who's mon- a lot of people think highly of his mind, including the president Dana why include including the champion Tyron Woodley. So he's got a power power move coming up. Right. But I would say whoever looks best out of ozone want aspirin if they win. That's the guy that's gonna get the title shot. I would say that going into the fights who's mon- has the lead. But asking have the opportunity to see what does I guess? And know that you know, he's got he's got to make it special and maybe turn it up with the smacktalk. Even the Lawler is not really a guy you smacktalk because he does a smack talk back. But but just getting people interested he'll have the benefit of fighting in the ESPN era. And it's not the slight FOX at all. It's just as y'all notice. And I think I'm. Being fair here, the UFC, FOX relationship isn't ending on home full say, whereas you remember what you have seen him. Fox did when they first started. It was everywhere and it got off to a magnificent start. And I imagine the you've seen ESPN won't make January of two thousand nineteen Purdy special. So what I'm trying to say is is Colonel have like a a bigger platform to do. Well, and and overtake who's mon-. But we'll see man another thing. The factor in is when call fight Woodley. You know, if it's going to be an early January, then obviously that'll be tough for asking. If it was Mons already, you know, look into fight in the seas look in the book, the winner of Culbertson, and and Woodley by I don't know. I just do a bunch of stuff at you. But I think those are two front runners. But don't forget what if Colbie wins. Then what do you do right? I have I have a feeling youth Mon and asking are going to end up fighting each other. Well, yeah, I haven't really actually said. I haven't really actually assumed that Woodley would win. But I guess. Yeah. All right. Let's say Colby Covington does win if it's a barn burner. Woodley. I believe qualifies for a rematch, except it's the same thing. I thought of sleeping me out. He qaulified. Now. He doesn't talk a fight like Woodley. But he had the stats the back it up, and you see all he got shoved off to the side. So it's not nothing automatic. Now. We we could also say well of Woodley get starched, then he's out of the equation as well, Cody Garbrandt wasn't out of the equation. And he got starts and they got an immediate rematch. So you just never know what the thinking. But if Kobe comington does win, and it's decisive, and they want to move on from Woodley, I know him and who's mon- had some some words, but at the same time aspirins also poking at Covington as of late. So I I don't think you'll have a hard time. Promoting his next fight. That's for sure. I don't to finally get up battle show on KOMO for anybody to win you all because the champion. Anyway. Let's go to Ben in New Zealand. What's up, Ben? How you been? Swedish. Familiar with three things that came up this this week in one was that predominance of these low kicks in. Conspired and punch magazine. I think most of them were there with a low low kicks kicks. Kicks and other one making moves to become like the. Dancing to the cage he's goofing around in a cage in any election foods, and then. Fifty. Fan of. But she continued this trend of fighters who don't cuddle the white. And then they go on to win their fired. And that's like, I think. Living out of out of. In two thousand eighteen they going win their fight so sort of links with their notion that not flown. Can pay off when you see that cage grabs and in growing struck very rarely punished intimidate losing points. And there's a sort of a point of view where go ahead and take a free one. Why not? Yeah. All right. So. Regarding. Well, we'll we'll we'll give kind of our more thorough thoughts on villian. But as far as the fight. This is the way I look at it. Ben. For one. The her team, obviously loves her and adores his looking out for her. So if they're willing to let her go out, and I'm sure she was seen by a doctor and the doctors willing to let her go out, then I had no problem with them letting our fight. I did not like that. She I guess was that heavy into the way cut that that she was like that. I wish they would have shut that down a little sooner. Now that may have prevented her from getting the fight because if she comes in at one twenty two we'll say well, tell you go, wait a minute. Wait, a minute seven pounds or six and a half or wherever you know. I I don't I don't know that I wanna take it. So it could be that behind the scenes, but Talia was saying one thing, you know, who knows? But once the fight happen Cavallo, a look good. I don't know that she gave an official response per se. I know that she said she went through some tough times with the loss of a grandparent. She was very very emotional. I'm sure she'll take responsibility. Who knows you know for everything that happened? But she did go out there and have the win. And and again, two grown women decided tell you how to every right to say, no, I don't want it. I'm sure she had those stats available to her. But at the end of the day, the knows what they're doing. Most of these fighters are all ninety nine percent of the time. They're all gonna wanna fight and. That's just the way. The sport is my man. Yeah. I I don't know what else to say about that. Yeah. From a slightly different angle. I'm talking about how identity thing I remember the first. He missed weight in twenty eight of them one. Right. So you're not really getting. Really getting going and heavy you're doing less of a white cat than your opponent. You're going in with an advantage. Even if you lose twenty percents. Purpose is to Milwaukee to get the win that trend seems to have continued since I think that was the Stetson like, July or something. So pretend you're those fighters. Pretender pretend you're batallio. Would you have taken the fight? Yeah. I always gonna take the foot because. Then I guess the that's that's too. There you go. We're making our point here. I see what you're saying. There does appear to be an advantage. But I will say it looked like it looked like skull. Vigil was one of the ones that tried towards the end to make way didn't just cut things off. Like, hey, I'm weighing in. You know, I know I'm over tough. I'll pay the twenty percent or whatever remember potato has a couple rights here. She doesn't have to take the fight be. She is at the settle on twenty percent. You know what I mean? So she, you know, she makes that decision because she knows I wish she wants to get paid. And if there's no fighting, there's a good chance neither fighter will get paid me. We'll tell you 'cause 'cause she made way. But still you want the victory. You know, you want that release of everything that you've bottled up for the last eight ten twelve weeks, and there's only one way to get it. Now looking back. It does look like a poor decision. And especially when we see these stats, but these are just decision made by grownups, you know, behind the scenes where they're all the way down there where all the way down here. We we hear a few things. But but they're the ones that decide to do it. I'll just our repeat. Always leave the bad taste in your mouth, somebody missed weight. And then after the fund is celebrating if they didn't go. If they didn't go. The other thing. I'm a fan of synthetic. Route to do. Well, when she's celebrating up to such a bad taste in my mouth like he miss. Wait. Celebrate I'm a fan of Cynthia Cavallo to Ben. But I know exactly what you're talking about. Great point. I I'll just say some real quick, we're repeat what I said on Friday and add something to that. Because I think it's it's peaks to both of what you guys are talking about. And that was in regards to and we got the news. The caveat miss weighed on Friday, we were giving our reactions to it. I just have for me kind of comes down to two things. I wanna see commissions kind of posture themselves more, but in the proper way, you know, it could be real dangerous by me saying that like I said, we have New York emissions. I'd been pulling fights for people with chaplains. I don't mean those weird examples I mean across the board. I would like them, you know, for fighters safety pulling them and whatnot. But what GDP saying the fighters do have options? I just wanna see them whether it be by organization and commission working in conjunction too. So that these fighters can leverage their positions fairly without any fear of reprisal. So I definitely get that point. They're and I'm all for that. It is their decision at the end of the day. But but just like it's their decision to take the fight. And it's their decision to cut. Wait, we have to you know, we as in the proverbial bodies have to be there to protect the fighters and something that might dole say says I'll kind of cap it off with this. And again, he's a health nutrition weight cut guy, but his solution that I always kinda see him lobbying out there on Twitter is just more fines, which would kind of fit under what I said as far as more of a posturing Propper posturing from the athletic commissions and bodies in place, but something that might dole CEO always says more more fines, maybe you know, might temper that. And may you know, may may temper our reactions to our, you know, reactions to someone celebrating when you know, they miss weight, and then still dominate the opponent and whatnot because it can fair not it can leave that that taste and impression. Okay. And I do want to say this, Ben when she won my buddy big Ralph was saying just go up there. Apologize for missing weight say you unprofessional, and yeah. And drop the mic, I underst-. Stood what he said. But I also understood that that platform is only available to you. If you're lucky fifteen times in your life because even at twenty even twenty fight veteran of the of see if they were to go fifteen and five that's a pretty damn good record. And you only get that platform when you win. And sometimes you may win a decision, then you don't even get to to talk or whatever. Or let's say, you know, you're hurt. Or who knows what? So what I meant. What I agreed with them. Give keep it brief keep it. Short. Apologize to your opponent apologize to the fans in the of C. But I still think that when the follow up question comes you have every right to say, hey, going forward. I'd like to fight this person next, blah, blah, blah. Now, I'm gonna I'm not gonna lie to you. I watched the fight. I don't think I heard the post fight interview or the whole thing. I only heard part of it which was. She was crying. And she was saying something about a grandparents, but did you guys hear it? And what she in any way disrespectful. She wasn't disrespectful. But but but I didn't hear it. And if she did say, she didn't say it at the beginning and kinda grading post-flight speeches. I will say this someone to watch his a lot of the fight speeches goes back. There are a lot of fighters who aren't aren't great on the Mike. They never make it the big prominence. They're not that great social media train. But I've seen many cases where they get, you know, Brian standard showing Alaska and the first question, and they'll take in the first question, they go, I I just want to apologize for missing weight at apologize. My opponent the UFC the matchmakers in their team, blah, blah, Ed to your question. Yes. This was a very, and then they pick up that his dad is the only way in my opinion, you should handle that post fight interview. If you missed white Jimmy kind of set her up because he said, his first thing to her was, I know you've been through something, but that could have been he could have been talking about the Lakers or could have been referring to what happened with the grandma 'cause she instantly started crying. Yeah. And so I think on this one as far as post by speech at a probably give her a pass. But at some point that does need to be addressed a little bit more. And so then as Ben still whether it's Benny still there. And so again, not to not want to be. You know cheerleader for Seneca vio, the only other thing, I can think of my man is when this happens. Remember, a lot of these fighters do look at social media or do look at Twitter reactions on junkie, or or whatever I think they get hammered pretty hard. And I think the feeling from a lot of people is like motherfucker have you never made a mistake. Whether you're someone that's also missed weight or just done something at your, blah, blah, blah. But because they're they're they're public figures. They obviously get slammed a little bit heavier. So I think a lot of times when you're slamming their nutritionists, their coaches them, or whatever I think part of that releases like, you know, you had a chance to shit on me. This is my chance to shit on you back. So you're right. Ben, I I like more of the humble approach on a situation like that. But, but I I think that's my hypothesis of what happens is one that release comes out. It's everything that's been bottled up for the whole week frustrations with fans and medias or what immediate people or whatever because they're mistakes are so highlighted, you know, them being public figures. Sure. And that's why what Dan is one hundred percent, correct. Because you're going to lose. I mean, I'm a cheerleader. Maybe that's why. When I'm a fan of someone in some ways, I'm a little bit hotter on them because I speak more them. But what Dan said about the way that you should handle the I put into it. It's how you win those people back like if that credit. Hey, can you on your on social media? You want to win them back. You handle the exactly like Dan was talking about. Yeah. All right, guys. We gotta take a break. Thanks, ben. It's always great to hear from you. Great discussion. He listening to 'em may junkie radio on Sirius XM's fight nation channel nine three. Stay close and won't be right back. Injury. Forced them to retire undefeated from m a with a record of oh, oh, they are gorgeous Jordan goes and this is MMA junkie radio. Get in the spirit of the holidays with Sirius XM's full lineup of holiday channels, fifteen channels of commercial free holiday music, including holiday traditions on channel three contemporary. 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So I figured, you know, a lot of these will apply at least mine will apply to the fight card that just took place. So you guys want to give it a crack? Do it to do it. All right. All right. These are the highs and lows four this past week brought to you by the way, junkie radio team will start off with the lows and then finish up with the highs. Let's go Go's den g g g g Dan and goes go start off with your low, man. This is one of of all the than those this one's one that really had me low, and it was Cynthia Cavallo going in and trying to weigh in. And she just looked awful her body was not responding mentally. She didn't look all there. It was really tough to watch that especially I'm a Calvia fan. I want her to fight. I I I think I disagreed even though she was probably cleared to fight and all that it just didn't look, right. It was a very bad luck. And I hope fighters don't keep putting their bodies through that. Because I want them to be around longer. And that was tough for me. That's my low. That's a. Yeah. That's that's a good one. Their minds gonna have to be with another organization with with Bella tour last Thursday. They had a bell tower show in in in in Israel and had great. You know, a great lineup. We had Phil Davis. I have deemed then cough. You know, a real weight in the light heavyweight division. Of course headline with pit bull and. Manny Sanchez, and we couldn't see it was taped delayed, and we had to wait for the results, and it's twenty eighteen and I don't wanna beat that drum or pick on Bella tour. But this is something that you know, has been a criticism from fans and media like, and we were hoping this will be fixed with design and I don't wanna even unfairly come at zone. I think there's a great job. I've had a great experience with them, and I hope bell toward grows along with his own. But I think we were under the impression that we weren't. We weren't going to get any more of these tape delay shows. And it's it's so tough watch any any kind of live sports when it's when it's not live. It really takes the LeicesteR out of it. And and it's tough especially this day in age. So there's my lo. All right. I'll go my low in my high, and the reason I wanted to go last for anyone that watches her highs and lows it's usually goes myself than Dan because I'm standing in the middle, but mine kind of our with the same athlete. So my low is Johnny Walker and his antics post fight, you just don't shove a referee out the way like that. So you can be hard and appear to be a gangster who just took someone out. And you wanna make a splash our debut or have the fans, you know, glued to the fact that guess what you're the next. He'll in the sport. No, a man you just waxed. The great, you know, solid light heavyweight in Khalil Roundtree who's coming off a nice stoppage himself this past summer. You know, what celebrate jump on jump on the on the top of the cage or do a backflip or do whatever the stuff during the fight when he got hit with a leg kick. And he kind of gave him that. Ooh. You really hurt me type of deal. That one I'm not saying much about but man doing that to the referee. I I don't think that's cool because the referees in there to protect both of you. And he was in the process of protecting Khalil Roundtree. And when he shoved them off, you just don't know how the referee maybe his elbow now lands on Khalil Rowntree's nose or on his. I mean, that's a that's a six six two hundred rehydrated do about two hundred and thirty five pound human being just you know with full of adrenaline bumping you off. You don't know where the referee was going to go on as you guys we call the referee wasn't even one of the bigger dudes? So keep it in gear. Johnnie walker. That said my high was did you guys see Johnny Walker? Holy shit. This docile, man. I I remember him from Dana white contender series seen a highlight seeing the results and thinking, okay. You know, but but at fifteen and three he's lost before. And I thought let's just see how he does. Wow. He's looked like a guy that's going to be tough to beat. If you just wanna stand with them. I don't know what is to jitsu games. Like put in the standard. Apartment. He had an amazing Moi tie Plum. He had some vicious elbows. He knew he knows how to throw punches those guys that get up to about six four six six six eight their punches. Sometimes look awkward, but man Johnny Walker. He looked good. I can't wait for him racket radios. Johnnie Walker to old five might be back fellas. Danta what was your high? My highest is going to be within the UFC department. I want to give them credit. You know, we we talk about, you know, too many shows or it feels like it's so hard to keep up or what's this market who's this guy? But really there are a lot of benefits quiet and not so quiet, and I think we had some quiet benefits going to the South American market and not so quiet in the good way. Very few times. Do we get to go to market and have a guy from that market at the headline and very few times because MA is so cruel does that guy win, you know, have the Connors and Dublin's and those type of moments, and it's really hard to create. We've we've come to learn 'em. So the fact that, you know, Argentina got pun. Santiago Navio to get a win, you know, and kind of come across that hero at it's great for the promotion in great for the fighter. I love seeing stars like that line. Maya laugh, high is going to be LFA fifty four that card was amazing infirm as much as we talk about what Dana white contender series is done maybe taken away from some of these cards. I still access TV manages to put on great fights. That was a great hard and to top it all off. I mean, I thought the main event was a little bit more competitive than I thought it was going to be. But do they must have had like a spatula out there because guys were not going to tell you left and right great card. I had so much fun watching it. Yeah. And access TV does a great job of packaging. Their highlights the very easy to find many times, you'll find them on junkie. And if you can't just look for them on Twitter, not only do they individualize them, but they'll give you a complete package of the main card kudos to those guys. All right. So there you have it there's highs and lows for this past week brought to you by the way junkie radio team. Let me do a couple of quick shout outs here in the room. As we go out to our last break. We got real real. He's in the chat. He or she is in the chat. I'm not sure DJ quest. Five sixty two also chilling with us in the chat shout out to him or her. I think it's a him. All right. 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You can basically say it wasn't a fair fight. And so for me, it's tough to really build off of something like that. Yeah. I would say the same thing. He she. She looked. She looked good. And it's also hard to tell because there's only one around. I mean, we're talking about tough way that probably wouldn't show itself to maybe the second or third. All right fair enough. I was impressed. Honestly, I didn't think I for one. I didn't know if she could win that fight and and too much less than the way. She did tell you. If you look at her at the end of the five she's like what the fuck is. What can happen, you know, run over what? But regardless all right, guys. Let's finish up with the daily debate. Brought to you by the emanate junkie radio team. Soon as I can find it here. I ask that you bear weathers. And Adrian Brodie you're gonna fight January nineteen Megan's, really. January nineteenth. Boy, does that ring a bell. I think that's I think that's the first ESPN card or something like that. So who knows maybe it'll be one of those days that were locked into the studio. I guys here we go. Now, it's time for the daily debate. Brought to you by the enemy junkie radio team. Golden boy has lowered the paper of you price for Ladele versus Ortiz three to thirty nine ninety nine for today's Emma made junkie radio daily debate. We wanna know if you'll be buying the card now, I don't wanna hear from Dan, Tom and goes, the co host of major radio I want to hear from Dan, Tom and goes the fans of MMA here. Your choices guys to oh, man. I was already buying it three. I will now. Sorry. Why am I saying these numbers I'm giving you the percentage? So the first choices was already buying it. The second one was I will now the third one was needs to be lower. And the fourth one was won't buy at any price. Go ahead. Goes you go first. I'm gonna go with that third option. I wouldn't say I wouldn't buy it at any price. But I think it would still need to be lower for me to purchase it. Yeah. He added that caveat Georgia's fan as a fan. I I would also go with that third price at needs to be lower. I I don't want to say that I wouldn't not watch it at all especially being in the fan mindset. But but but yet it would need to be lower for for for me to make that happen. Yep. I'm right there with the guys the third one needs to be lower. If what I'm hearing is right. And for black Friday, they're going to get it down to ninety nine hundred ninety nine I'm in. I think the I think it's fair a lot of people will will jump on that. But we don't know what golden boy has is an offering. I mean, look it's a main event that has two guys that despise each other. I get that. That's one of the components. I like in a main event, but this thing was settled or the the dells one twice finished them. You know, he's been gone longer than RT's Ortiz has that advantage and he's five years younger. 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#172 David Rutherford

First Class Fatherhood

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#172 David Rutherford

"Yeah. Lace? Welcome to first-class fatherhood. Welcome everybody to one seventy two of the podcast. I am happy as always to be here with you. Thank you for stopping by. If this is your first time listening to podcast, please get over there and Binat subscribe button. You do not want to miss all the action that coming your way right here on first glance fatherhood. All right. That's it is time for another frogman Friday edition of first-class fatherhood today. I will be joined by former navy seal and longtime podcast, David Rutherford. He hosts the team never quit podcast alongside teammate Marcus Latrell. Who is a former guest of the show here. You can catch my interview with the lone survivor who join me, but his wife. Melanie back on episode one twenty eight of first-class fatherhood. David Rutherford is also a motivational speaker who founded frog logic. And of course, he is a first class father as well. So please stick around for the interview next week is going to be another incredible week of fresh content coming out you it's going to be another five banger Monday. Former NFL first round draft pick. Jason Bob will be here Tuesday. We're going to have our interview with the. Real estate empire maker grant car. Don't Wednesday's going to be a warrior Wednesday podcast with army combat veteran. Jason would Thursday. We're going to have actor Alexander Cain who is currently starring in the box office smash on planned he'll be dropping by on Thursday. And then next week Friday. We're going to change it up a little bit instead of a frogman Friday, and they'd be joined by a fighter. Eric anders. Who is fighting Khalil Roundtree in UFC two thirty six on April thirteenth. So we're gonna have the interview with him the day before. So that's going to be exciting. I know many of you dads out. There will be watching the fights next Saturday. So this'll be a cool way to kind of kick off the weekend. I'll be shooting the breeze about fatherhood with one of the fighters on the main card. So let's go guys the celebration of fatherhood continues here. Please follow me on Instagram at Alec underscore lace or at first fatherhood for all the latest updates. I thank each and every one of you listeners out there who continue to show me support. I am working very hard to bring you the best guests possible who can provide some valuable advice as we all navigate our way through the wonderful journey of. Fatherhood together. Fatherhood rocks. Family values rule and every day is Father's Day right here with me, and I'm going to jump right into the action now with former navy seal David Rutherford, Alec lace. And you're listening to first-class fatherhood. I cannot say thank you enough to all the listeners out there. You'll hear a word from my sponsors in the middle of today's interview if you would like to help me make first class fatherhood, Ed free, please consider becoming a supporter of the podcast by hitting the link and the description of today's podcast episode. All right. Joining me now is a first class father. He is a former navy seal and combat veteran. He's the host of the team never quit podcast, his unique high impact in motion style of speaking writing and coaching helps all types of people gain a navy seal style, focus towards high performance physically. Mentally and spiritually it is a very big honor for me to say, David Rutherford. Welcome to first-class fatherhood. My brother. Thank you so much for having me on. I I'm like I was just saying shortly before we started. I cannot believe that you are lowering the standards of your show by having me on such an incredible group of dudes that you've had to thank you. All right humble. As always I love it. This is a true honor for me. So let's get started like this. How many kids do you have? And how old are they? I have now now that I just recently blessed by getting engaged I have four daughters starting at eleven. Then eight seven and six okay. Very cool. What type of all sports are activities? They all into. Let's see my oldest one is just really exploring the opportunity. So she's currently playing across this year. She's played soccer. What else she played volleyball which she truly loved? And then my next to the eight and seven are engaged in soccer primarily and the the youngest one is really hasn't kinda found her way yet. She hasn't been in any thing organize yet. But the and then two out of the four are in the surfing, my biological too. And I'm trying to get the other two and then for obvious reasons, you know, they we play basketball we play. I mean, you know, my fiance was a former captain of the w-. Women's division one field hockey team at university of Maine. And then I play there's one across at Penn State. So sports are he's part of our world while that's also now you get in there and get involved with coaching it all with the soccer, and the lacrosse or do you kind of you know, enjoy it all from the sideline. I, you know, I have based on all of my my friends that are much older than that have been into it for while. I I am making the decision to step back plus with my travel schedule and how much I'm on the road. You know, speaking or doing performance coach with actual sports teams in college teams, it makes it very difficult for me to be able to adhere to that level of commitment. Yeah. I can understand that. All right. David, please take them into here. Just a hit my listeners, but a little bit about your background. And what you do. All right again. You know, I was in the seal team's as a medic and operator instructor worked for black. Water for several years as an international curriculum development guy and train her. And then I worked for the CIA for four years two years trading case officers and then two years as a, hyper protection specialist. I started my company called lots of concepts in two thousand six after a pretty substantial experience in my second, Afghanistan, dealing with kids and wrote my first book in spring of two thousand six four kids to help kids teach them self confidence in in in order to manage the difficulties of of of life itself. San my worries ation has grown where I do anywhere from sixty to seventy speaking events year from you know, mom, and was just put the largest pork farmers violence to, you know, else Fargo, you be at you name it and also do performance coaching spent. Three years working with the boss Red Sox World Series last year. I work with you pen football team Ivy league championships there and then Oregon state beavers last year near collegiate World Series baseball on them with again this year. And I'm also working with a pen statements across crossing they're currently ranked number one in the country as well. And then I do a three decent size podcast with the brother mind, Marcus, trout, lone survivor that on and they've called the team never quit podcast and filling the podcast speaking right book for kids and adults, and then you know, social media, and that's it then. Yeah. Very cool. You have had an incredible journey. David in one of the things that I one of the many things that I admire about your community is that philosophy of getting comfortable being uncomfortable. And I think for most men who don't serve in such a high, you know, elite level of the military. I think for the first time we ever get forced. To get comfortable being uncomfortable. True fatherhood, especially in the beginning. Stages of changing diapers and being up all night and everything that goes along with the you know, a newborn. So when did you go through all this? How old were you? When you first became a dad and had to becoming a father change, your perspective on life. It was substantial for me, I was still operational. And I remember was working for the agency and I was traveling overseas. And I miss most of the pregnancy. You know, she was born thirty days later, I was back out the door for seventy five days and on and off for the next basically, year and a half. So initially for me fatherhood, and the concept of Hollywood was split mostly with my dedication being towards, you know, working for the agency and that power it wasn't Intel. My ex was you know, basically said, you know, stop doing it or we're done that. I was home, you know, after that starting really January two thousand twelve and it was really over. The course of the next couple of years. We had our second child other daughter. And that's where my frame of mind, and what it meant to be a father really began to change. Because I you know, I was able to, you know, keep a distance from that reality by the, you know, still in the life of carrying a gun for eleven, but when you're you know, home and you're around it day in and day out. Although I even then I was travelling bunch with the speaking you're still it's it's much more relative to the demands on your own psyche. And that's where I began to recognize that, you know, fifteen years of of of carrying a gun for a living in that mindset with not very conducive to being a good father. Yeah. You know, that's another one of those things that in the civilian world kinda take for granted. It's another one of the major sacrifices that are being made by men and women of our military that strain that it does have. And it puts on your personal relationships with your spouse. What your kids it's another? Why say thank you for your service and your sacrifice and now listen with all the motivational speaking that you do around the world have the concepts that you speak about relate to fatherhood. Pretty simple. So what when frog logic started. It started as a result of of me wanting to help children, and this was kids in war zones to try and the able to implement some ideas that would help them maintain self confidence in a world that was utterly dysfunctional. And and there wasn't a lot of positive outlook for them on. Unfortunately, for me, the mindset of special operations guy, and the mindset of the NGO weren't too conducive. So I opted to initiate trying to do work here in the country. And so, you know, two thousand six seven and going into eight now I worked with a little around seven thousand kids in North America speaking, and then did programs individual programs for foster care homes, and you know, other groups of. Smarter kids. It was the the main idea was self confidence. Now, since then frog logic has has grown involved to where I focus on four main ideas. Whether I'm working with kids, I'm working with my, you know, corporations teams, whatever and the four fundamental pillars of frog. Logic are learning how to embrace their forging yourself confidence every day in the face and the negative insurgency living team life, which is operatives team orientation and then living with purpose? Ultimately trying to understand why am I here? And and what is my eating. Yes. So cool. I love what you're doing there. And now listen in this country. We are facing a fatherless problem. I talk about all the time in the podcast here. How I think that there's an attack on fatherhood. Just the way dads are being portrayed incorrectly in the movies. And on TV I'm not sure if you're seeing that or you know, what affect you think that's having on our society. But in. What I'm curious. What are some of the differences that you've noticed about fathers and families maybe overseas as oppose the fathers over here? You know, I, you know, obviously, my perspective on overseas culture have been primarily in war zones or in and around, you know, individuals that were part of a military, but you know, culturally were radically different than you know, our Judeo Christian western societies. I, you know, so I don't I don't my perspective on that. I you know is not that good of. But I will say, you know, my perspective here since I originally started doing research on child development in two thousand five and six has to say, the least it's it's I believe that we're we're definitely in a in a moment of strain where those core values. And kind of moral characteristics. That have, you know, pre nineteen sixty five where you know, the foundation of of of all most a lot of bring. Now, I will say this that, you know, a lot of how you know. Young boys were raised or young girls were raised by their father back then was was dysfunctional as well too in terms of the lack of emotional intelligence that was relevant. But I also think that you know, there's a D masculinization going on societally, especially within the entertainment world. And in a lot of BDO be dressed out. Our our throats that there is a concept that a, you know, these core values of that are relative to a the old school paternal influence are are under attack. Now at what level I'm not sure, you know. I think we like all media sources, we can we can inflate the issue. But what I'm definitely seeing that in terms of the biggest pieces that I see it with the kids that I still work when I still work with a lot of kids on a regular basis, including my own. I see that. The resilience piece is is is really the greatest challenge that our our user facing. Yeah. One of the biggest problems that go along with that David is this every kid gets a trophy mentality. That most ads are sick and tired of and you parlay that with this attack on masculinity. And then the child having no father figure in the home. I mean, it's a recipe for disaster. And the stats all back that up, and that's why I think it's so important for kids to have a two parent household or at least a dad that's a big part of the kids upbringing because I mean, it really does take village to raise a child. Well, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, the fundamental requirement. From children, you know from day one is as you know, the basics food will our protection clothing, man. It's it's the sense of security to explore their surroundings and environment. And then, you know, the support and knowledge and wisdom to be able to, you know, expand the that environment as they get older and most especially when relationships right? That's where all great challenges to exist or cultivating healthy relationships. And and now the gating relationships that are dysfunctional as a result of what other influences, the people you choose to be friends or not friends with. So, you know, I what's interesting to me is really not so much that you know, this is occurring. But it's a current people acknowledged in, you know. People from our generation where knowledge, but yet there's not a lot of people out there. Roger up to be mentors is not a lot of people Roger enough to offer their time outside of their own requirements with their own business their own work life for their own family life to go beyond that and offer their wisdom at whatever level. It is either as a coach or an actual mentor or teacher, or whatever it's just, you know, I think I blame our generation for just kind of the inability to get out there. And like, you said to be uncomfortable and to offer yourself to a kid, you know, boy or girl, you don't even know. Okay. 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And I think it's been well documented that service to others leads the greatness and just trying to find a way to add value to the community. But I think this younger generation is struggling a bit with that. Because they're growing up with this social media ever where it's all self gratification. It looks good all the time. Look what I'm doing what I'm eating. Look what I'm wearing. And I think that that whole phony Facebook lifestyle and all this technology, and it's a struggle for a lot of those parents right now. So I mean, how do you kinda handle YouTube video games all the technology where your kids? None of. None of our kids are are connected to anything via technology that allows them the interact with the outside world. Our oldest Gus recently was able to we allowed her to participate with tick tock, but we have a very strict she only can do one video day, you know, two day or three day on weekends. We monitor everybody. She's connected to we monitor what they're watching. You know, so anything they are participating on on the apples. I've had. And that's the only thing they have is. As you know is very kind of benign, if you will terms of those, you know, sociological requirements, I we are beginning to see some effects of of bullying in school on a low end with one of our kids. You know, we're starting to see when our fifth grader that there's you know, some initial adolescent crushes that are going on which are, you know, are causing or I should say last night with the wonderful dialogues. We just had one last night about a half hour. And and and what so I we both feel very comfortable and confident with where we're at now, you know, that's not the say as they all get older, and they start doing sleepovers or whatever. And there they go over there. Friends housing have every device known. They're on Snapchat. They're taxing, you know. Things will change. But right now, we're we're very strict on keeping that stuff on a distance from them. Very cool. How about this 'plain, David? I always love to dance about discipline styles, especially you frogman, what type of disciplinarian are you as a father and does it change between your biological children? And your fiancee is kids, which now you consider your own. I, you know, I think the biggest thing for us. We're very fortunate. My fiancee has has done disciplined in a very similar way that I do so that crossover with her girls and mine has has been pretty seamless. We were you know, she comes from a family or parents have been together thirty nine years. She has three other boy, you know, men siblings. And so, you know, she's from a little town in Maine, and you know, and and you know, disciplined was a significant part of. Their upbringing much much more. So than in mine, I got away with murder because of athletics. But so I, you know, our discipline is is if if there's if they don't we you know, we really drilled down on on manners. We jailed on respond respectful we drill down on being accountable for your things in yourself. You know, I inspect beds every morning or try to we, you know, we have, you know, good table manners really just drilling down on the basics. And so those those things are, you know, are substantial plus we have, you know, we have seventeen rules that, you know, we've we've created that the girls pretty much recite every time we're driving in the school. And so these these rules are they enable the girls to kind of start developing Freeman. Now, I will say, you know, I'm a former navy seal so often, you know, a a lose my temper enough to wear I'll raise my voice on necessarily in a circumstance 'cause I get frustrated we do fun disciplinary things like push ups and air squats if they do everything but in in harsh discipline. We'll you know, we'll isolate let them calm down. And then go into the teaching moment afterwards. Okay. And you have been in the podcast and game for quite a long time. Now, you're currently hosting the team never quit podcast, but Marcus I've had the honor of both, you know, meeting Marcus in person and having him on the show here. A what was the Genesis of the team never quit podcast, and what can listeners expect when they tune in. You know, I I started podcasting in two thousand thirteen so I was in the game real early. I guess called navy seal radio that I did for two years and developed a pretty good following there. And then it was you know, Latrell reached out to me you're out of cherry softball game. And you know, Marcus really wanted to come off the road as much as he was doing. And they knew I had been running a pretty successful show. And so they asked me to do with them. And as I began developing the concept for it. I you know, it was really just keeping it simple. And to go along with the brand that they had created, and, you know, this idea and concept about this, never quit mindset. And so what I figured the easiest thing to do and to make it, you know, where the listener would would be the takeaway the most of. Most profound insights would be to just have people on from all walks of life military to actors politicians, CEO's, whatever. And even listeners we have listeners that right in stories all the time come on they share their greatest never quit stores. And you know, where it started how they what they learn how they implemented their lives. And that was that was the Prentice. And you know, it was crazy. It's just took off within you know, our first six months, we're nominated and sixteen as one of items top podcast of the year. So yeah, David, and I'll tell you what I think it's incredibly beneficial to our society that the civilian world has access to the navy seal community just through the books, podcasts, movies, even social media. I mean, we get this sort of intimate look at your mindsets, and your philosophies, but I do understand that some of you guys take some slack for coming out of the shadows. So be it. But that may be. Dying down a bit as more and more of you guys are coming out with new projects. How was your transition with this? Did you face any kind of backlash when you hit the public scene? I mine I might have always been great. I say a couple things here and there from guys, but I think because you know, people who know me and know, my background. I'm not out their spouse to be some, you know, profound, you know, operator that has four hundred fifty missions like, rob. And I certainly didn't have any part or anything to do with bin Laden. And no, I don't have a lone survivor story. So I didn't focus on any of that stuff. When I'm I've always been very clear to say, hey, you know, what I'm doing is. I've extrapolated the things that I believe are common across all planes of the human condition, and that are things that can be. Be implemented in anybody's life. And where with a little bit of insight, and dedication that. They can you know, give themselves the greatest opportunity to to, you know, face difficult situations persevered, and that's why I called it frog logic. I you know, I started with kids. So that's certainly, you know, soften the blow so to speak because you know, I've been out there doing it so six which is you know, a lot longer than most other guys have been doing it. So I think for me in in. I think the insight people have have been mostly, you know, I'd say ninety five percent support of of me and how I do it. Plus, I you know, I I just if if people are doing it in a positive way, then you know, I'm all for it. And it what what gets me is when the infighting star. Starts and you know, people start tearing each other down for no reason at all. And you know, people always say the one thing you always hear people are proselytizing the Trident and trying to get ahead. And you know, I I've never thought of myself is doing I certainly used my try to open the door. But once I get in man, all these concepts all the ideas, are, you know, it's my own opinion. And hopefully people understand that. And you know, I'm not out there saying this guy's in idiot. 'cause he he's only he's only done this. And he'd never done that just not be. So I think people for the most part have been open and warm and supportive to what I'm doing which I'm very very grateful for us. You know to to you know, one to earn the respect that your community, and then to keep it long term is is a privilege in an honour. Well said, and if it was up to me, I've said this before I would make it mandatory that every seal was. Come out of the teams should have the right there auto biography. Just because I think it does benefits so many people, but all right? You've had so many accomplishments. You got a lot going on right now. What's next David relative here? I know you've got a fiancee anymore kids in the future for you. What kind of goals or plans that you have? Yeah. I mean, my my number one priority is over the next several years is is really to get to a point where I can be much more involved in my kids lives. You know? Like, I said, I I'm on the road. Tremendous amount. I've been on a road almost six straight weeks now, and you know, that that's challenging I I I carry with me a profound amount of guilt about missing a lot of things in their lives. So I mean focuses to figure out how to streamline my business in a way where I can generate some revenue, you know, and I don't have. Have to leave. So whether that, you know, whatever creative process that I need to adjust. And I am injustice that I think I'm going to I you know, I still love working with teams. I really enjoy that. You know, I'm gonna obsolete continue podcasting. So, you know, we'll we'll see. But the big one for me is time with my family that really matters most to me, and I'm, you know, they're all in that very critical age very critical transitions from, you know, child development, young adolescent, and as you already referenced the need and assess ity to have a father significant father figure and in the pitcher is profound. And so I'm gonna here to to that that requirement that blessing and make decisions accordingly. Awesome. Last thing I'm gonna hit you hear David. I love to ask all the dads. I get on the podcast what type of advice? Do you have that new father or for that about to be dad who's out there listening? The number. One thing is is patient. And I don't you know. And I I I'm very similar to you. I every time I meet somebody who's a dad who I believe, you know, seems like they're squaring away in terms of their moral, focus and compass and their value system. You know, I always say what's the best advice? You could give me being a dad the overwhelming answer across all planes. Whether it's newborn or you know, they're teenagers or college or whenever they're coming. Parents themselves is, you know, don't be afraid of patience and the recognize that, you know, the that human be on the we're the most advanced species on the planet, and we're capable of you know, on imaginary miraculously things it takes about thirty six years. To get a good foundation for a person. And so be patient. Learn patience as fast as possible. And and just in and recognize that this is a the longest most rewarding thing you'll ever participate in much more rewarding than being frog manner. We're gonna pretty agency or being speaker. There's no greater feeling of sex success or compliment, I feel when I see anyone of my girls shine and most especially when they shine as as good decent human beings. That's that's my goal. Yeah. Right on well said this has been an honor for me. I gotta say you are a first class father. Thank you for your service and David Rutherford. Thank you so much for giving me a few minutes of your time. First-class fatherhood. Thank you out. And God bless you. And what you're doing keep it up. I think the compiling. This money, this many fathers, and this much grade information is going to be invaluable in so many ways. So I wish you all the best brother. Thank you for that. David. It means a lot a right guys. I'm gonna be right back here with some closing thoughts. And just a second. Doc to wrap things up here on first class. Fatherhood. I gotta give a special. Thank you once again to David Rutherford for giving me a few minutes of his time here. It was so cool. I gotta tell you. I get the opportunity to speak with so many dad's from all walks of life year. I mean, I've been talking to Super Bowl MVP's hall of famers A-List actors and entrepreneurs, but it is these navy seal interviews that I cherish the most at such an honor that get a chance to speak to these guys. So please it up on Twitter drop me a DM over on Instagram thought about that. He's episode. I always loved to read your feedback. And then lock it in guys gave it a list at the top of the show there. It's gonna be a five Bangor next week. Follow me on Instagram at Alex underscore lays to stay up to date with all the changes to the schedule. That's all offer. You guys today? I hope you enjoy your weekend out there your kids baseball season is in full swing now. And if you're gonna take your kids to the game, don't forget seatgeek use that code first class at the checkout. Save twenty dollars on your tickets. Right. That's all I got you guys today. I'm out of lace. You have been listening to first fatherhood, and please remember guys. We are not babysitters. 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UFC Predictions with Pina  UFC 236 Atlanta: Holloway vs. Poirier 2

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UFC Predictions with Pina UFC 236 Atlanta: Holloway vs. Poirier 2

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How's it going today? Man good man is going to say I missed you for the week off. But we were doing against the back end of the home and home now had young because I couldn't go a week without talking to you, buddy. But UFC is back, and it's a great time to be in this man, we had what like eight nine in a row took a week off. And now we're back with another run of every single week. I appreciate it. Thanks for getting me on your show last week. And got you back on my show here this week. So I feel a little bit more normal being in the host's share here this time around. I know that's going to be something. Interesting for you to all the shows that you host and all the shows that you're on. Yeah. It's a little bit different. You know, when I do radio around town in Vegas at different sports books or podcast. And then you don't do the weekly. In myself. But I get man you are the consummate hosts professional, so don't let anybody ever tell you different. But I wanted to give people the opportunity to kind of get your story because when you host so much, you know, you kind of put yourself in the background. And I think you're such a bright baseball mind that need to be kind of showing and showcase their self. Pleasure. Was all mine is always my friend. I appreciate it. Anytime you want to rap about anything on your show or on my show definitely up for it here. And speaking of rap, I guess, that's maybe a pretty good segue into this week's you have CNN down in Atlanta, Georgia at state farm arena to interim title fights here on the card five fights on pay per view, four on ESPN four on UFC fight past. They're all digital networks. So overall Christian again we had last week off. So they kind of loading up for this card. Then I would say, you know, that it was intentional that the loading up and think they just kinda needed to take a break when they kind of frontloaded the new ESPN scheduled. But I mean when you look at this card top to bottom, as you know, by doing this together, I think you know, there's usually one specific. Theme to a UFC event, for whatever reason on why they do it that specific way, this cards theme is really a one fighter is much more well rounded, perhaps, but if you bet on said favorite or more, well rounded fighter you're going to be holding your breath the entire way because everyone of these underdogs has one specific skill set. At least I can end a fight, you know, within any given second one punch one take down once admission despite whatever it's been going on throughout the fight in through each round. So to be a really interesting kind of very live underdog, but one specific path to victory. I would say for that underdog. Now in terms of the way that this card is structured, I think it's very interesting because we talked about this before here on the segments that it seems like there's always a quote unquote main event of the fight past car, and it looks like a pretty good one here actually Curtis will end and below Muhammed. We'll talk about that fight here in a little bit. But in terms of the five fights on the main card here. I mean is this a nonstop action type of pay per view card or is this. Or a technically sound main card. I think the two Komen events sh should be nonstop action. Maybe a little bit. You know, when we break this down from abroad perspective. This is what I'm talking about max Holloway, Dustin, poor a Holloway in my estimation. The much more well rounded fighter, but dust Emporia with wins over just engaging nocco wins at that Eddie Alvarez if you bet on Holloway. You're you know, you're going to be petrified of those hands of dust Emporia. You look at Sonya probably the more well rounded fighter but gasoline could take this fight to the ground. And you never know if you know, no one has ever been able to get in close to even try it. But that is you know, a path of three four a live underdog. You look at Roundtree Anders Rowntree kinda came up as a wrestler. Anders kind of came up as a wrestler as well. But had much more power in the hands. Rowntree kind of has shifted his game into a kill or be killed mentality which has had mixed results. So if you bet on a favorite Anders, you just don't know of Rowntree's going to go up there and say, this is my new style. Let's go and kind of see what happens on that front when you look. On down through the card. I mean, pollyanna Botello has the most, you know, finishing capabilities in one hundred twenty five pounds, which is a little bit of a breath of fresh air seven out of eight over wins Viet knockout. So as you go on down through this line. I mean, max Griffin. Zelina D'amoto is the same exact way, and as you touched on with Melinda and Muhamed Mohamed, and my estimation a slightly more well rounded aspect in every single area. But Melinda has shown time and time again, the propensity to throw a, you know, a little your IRA Hollins game as I like to say with the flying es all of that. And then on down even to, you know, one of the first car, I fights of the evening. Randy Kosta has knocked out just about everyone within the first round. But Brandon Davis has shown to be incredibly durable in decision machine. So on down through the line, the the theme kind of overlaps throat every single card here as you look at this main event here with Holloway and poor ya. I mean, they fought each other February fourth twenty twelve so this is a rematch a long time in the making to say the least. Let's start with this from the Holloway side. Because it wasn't a good look last year for max Holloway in the summer months. You know, he was supposed to be on that one fight card. I believe in Las Vegas had the really strange interview. He got taken to the hospital. You know, they thought that maybe there was some concussion symptoms simulate that, and we all had a lot of questions going into that fighting Brian Ortega at you have see two-thirty one any passed that test with flying colors. So how do you evaluate him? Now. I mean, you just assume is kind of back to normal. Well, here's the thing. It wasn't a good look and so- Holloway Holloway's camp. Did the thing that they should have done. I don't think it was anything to do with concussion issues. I think he was draining his body to the to the point of complete shutdown complete exhaustion and Holloway is going to lightweight. You know, this is the way cut has always been the biggest issue in the world for max max Holloway now at one forty five instead of trying you deplete his body dehydrate his body to the point of death in exhaustion. There's a very real chance here that we get the best version we have ever seen. In of max Holloway now max Holloway, the reason he did that so much to deplete his bodies because of the size advantage that he had at that way class. He still is going to maintain that size advantage throat. Most of his opponents he does give up about three inches of reached a poor. But when you look at this he still has a two inch advantage as well a leg kick reach of about two inches. So Holloway isn't giving up as much kind of size to the, you know, bigger fighters in this division that I think a lot of people thought of maybe Holloway's camp thought, but this is the right move for him for career longevity. We have seen this from a guy like Daniel Cormet who struggled with the way cut look Holloway was not going to be able to do that to his body anymore. And I know he's only twenty seven, but as we saw time and time again it was causing him to lose fights. It was causing him to lose money. It was causing him to lose health. So this could be in theory, an improved gas tank from Holloway, which was always even at that level of depletion. Probably the best. No in the division. Definitely. Maybe even in UFC, maybe even an increase in power on. So this really could be the best version of max. Holloway. So he did kind of everything that you would want to see I'm from this. Now is it technically still an unknown of how he fares at that weight shore? But in my estimation. I don't see a downside. We saw this cormier we've seen it with gasoline seen it time and time again when guys kind of make that jump. It's genuinely a very good career decision for them. Now, Dustin Poirier, look, this is exactly what I talked about. He has, you know, look Holloway to me is a very high fight Accu guy something in the like of Tyron Woodley, Daniel cormier, these incredible Stephen wonderboy Thompson, these guys with huge fight IQ's, and those are the type guys I gravitate towards Pouria. Nothing doesn't have a a great fight IQ. But he is looking for the knockout he's a little bit of the just engaged Alvarez moult. He wants to entertain fans be UFC's most dangerous, man. That's great. And as we saw sometimes that will work against a high fight Accu as we just saw Stephen wonderboy Thompson upset, but to me Holloway is just leaps and bounds. Mentally and fight aspect wise above when we talked about the fact that they fought. Before that was not this version of max Holloway or even Dustin Pori in. So, you know, as I always liked to talk about fights at have already happened. You really cannot take anything away from that version of each other. So really laying the number with Holloway here. Then you know, it's a big number of the minus two ten but a fifty percent ROI does make some sense to me. This fight is probably going to the championship rounds and over two and a half at mine is one fifty to me would make a little bit more sense only because I don't see a I don't see this being a crazy Josie Aldo Conor McGregor type of situation, but an eleven second knockout or anything like that. I think both guys especially Holloway with this improved gas tank, improved weight and even more weight on him going to look to feel each other out. And even if nocco does happen, I see kind of or submission, whatever the case may be three four maybe the fifth round. But I think a Holloway decision is the most likely, but as hands again, if you bet these numbers that look enticing Pora can ruin a night in a very quick fashion with the hands that he has moved to the middleweight inter. Championship fight here. Kelvin gasoline Israel out of Sonya and assigned you I mean, look, I'm happy to see him get this chance. I think this is a chance that he deserves. Now. Can he take the spotlight and actually run with it? Yeah. Look, I may be a little bit biased here because I have been on the Israel, Edison. Yeah. Cash bandwagon since his inception into the UFC. I think he is special. I think he has a chance to be the next John Jones when you look at this kid physically a is the mirror image of John Jones. And I know that was kind of always the, you know, the moniker that was put on him. It's just when you look at this. I mean, we're talking about a guy with an eighty inch reached that is a nine and a half reach advantage over Calvin gasoline leg five inches oddest on you does one thing great, not say only one thing. But the thing that makes us on your so special like a guy like Jones is the ability to strike at range. Nobody has been able to get in close to gasoline to even test the chin to even try to take downs because his get up game is on top of the world right now. Look, I think I'd assigned you special. I think this is his moment. And I think people are really forgetting there was a time when nobody looked more disinterested to be in a UFC octagon than Calvin gas. Lem gasoline has folded time and time again when the lights are the brightest. And I think a minus one eighty you know, it's a little bit of the bottom of the market to me. Honestly, only because again, all of those red flags with gas Dulum Addison, you hasn't nobody has nobody has shown the blueprint on how to beat him. But look nobody is really shown the blueprint on how to beat a guy like John Jones. And I don't want to sit here and say I want to compare these two fighters now, if I decide you keeps this trajectory, which is a once in a generation type fighter. He really the blueprint may just not be out there because it is so hard to get in close. I mean, again nine inch reach advantage is so so difficult to even infiltrate to try to stop the loan. You pair him with a impeccable. Take get up game from take downs. And it's going to be very hard to stop him here. I really think this is that a sign us moment. He deserves it and he's going to be. Special in UFC for a very long time. So outta sunny here five zero in his UFC career Wilkinson Vittori to virus Brunson and Silva victims that he's taken care of here. How much of a step up is Kelvin gasoline fraud assign you hear me how big test is. This look gasoline is a guy like like, I said is somebody to me that I just don't trust. Now when you look at this gasoline does have the speed. He does have the power to maybe put out a sunny away. But again, nobody has even gotten close enough. He is without a doubt Anderson Silva, look when you put the careers, you know, back to back there is no comparison that Silva is the more accomplished ready. You know in the groups of all time conversation that being said in current form a gasoline is far and away the best type of competition. It's just he's the best essay on paper because that's almost a disservice. It's just gasoline is a guy that has never been able to get over this hump. And I don't see I it's just a little bit. You know unfortunate for him that it is a guy like. Like on you on this trajectory that has passed every single test with flying colors. I mean, again, if I decide you it was, you know, think of it in terms of his spread. What is he doing? Is. He outperforming his market expectation. How is he looking in doing that in beating this guy's? Yeah. He's kind of taken it a little bit easy enormously taken it easy. But you know, maybe had a couple of decision wins when you'd have liked them to put him away in the first the first round. But to me that to me is playing it safe. That is getting out of there with a win which is the end goal within UFC, so guest. Yes, he is the quote unquote biggest challenge in biggest step up. But I just don't think that highly of guy like Calvin gasoline, despite of it are it's removing this light heavyweight fight here between Eric Anders and Khalil Roundtree. And I think from an athleticism standpoint, this is probably the most interesting fight of the night. Which one fight is that sorry, you cut out for a second. Sorry about that. You're looking at this late heavyweight fight here between Eric Anderson Khalil Roundtree, I guess is probably the most athletic fight of the night. And then ends a lot of intrigue to it. And again a little bit. You know, this card is little special to me because it has a lot of guys that I feel very highly about look, Eric Anders all the sudden losing three out of his last four, although I really do maintain that he beat Leo Machida that being said look for those who don't know Eric enders won a national championship at Alabama as starting middle linebacker. He was not just there in the background. He played every single snap. Enders is a freak division. One wrestler wrestlers on the wrestling team. There won all kinds of awards on the other side. Cleal Roundtree is somebody again, I'm a little bit. I think is somewhat overrated. Now Rowntree came into the sport as something of a wrestling. I, you know, type of fighter using his hands. Only as defense only as secondary nature when needed that has really changed for him. He is kind of adopted the four the fans just engage Alvarez. Says a model of kill orbi killed and like h e like portray like Alvarez he's had mixed results. You know, he knocked out a legendary kickboxer and go con sake yet, he got starched by vicious knockout by hyper prospect, Johnnie Walker killer be killed going to be I you know, it's one of those things that is this just his newfound fan-friendly style too. Because he realized he fought a little bit Coren, quote, boring, and even his style when it was the most boring may not have been enough to eventually keep his job in an exciting guy will always have a place in USC again, look no further than the guys. I just mentioned like h e who has you don't very much aid sub five hundred fighter yet. Here we go again with the hype train of killer be killed. So is it mill adapting new style that remains to be seen? This could be this. This fight could go a bunch of different ways here. This could be something of a boring. Wrestling match for three straight rounds at this could be something of a fire fest. I tend to lean towards the ladder. And I think that. Both guys are going to want wanna stand in bang. Both guys are proud. I think that this. You know, Roundtree is really making this transition to be more fan friendly of a nocco type of artists and Eric Anders to me despite the losses along the way has more passed a victory. Anders is just you know, by default, the best the better wrestler, and I think he has the better hands. He's more concise. The thing is here if Andrews plays it a little bit timid waits for his opening two long Rowntree cut open up around Roundtree head some serious cardio issues in the past while Anderson's schone can go the distance. So to me this one. Is there a ganders? But if this one doesn't go right for him. This could be the cautionary tale of a hyper prospect getting too much too soon that we saw within Ghana against Depaix. Anders verse Machida and so on down the line. So I it's a little bit of interesting matchup, but I would favor Anders here. Something about Anders. That does. It is worth mentioning is at his two losses late in two thousand eighteen I mean, he fought three times from August twenty fifth to December eight th so maybe it was just a, you know, two quick of a turnaround type of thing for him. Now. He's said about five months since that last fight. Yeah. And I think sometimes you need that reset right again not to compare the two, but we saw this with Francis. And then gone who sometimes you just need to take a step back. See what you know, what went wrong was it too much too soon where are you taking people lightly? Did you just think you are on top of the world and untouchable, those are all in the realm of possibilities? But it's you know. It's it can be a very hard thing for fighter too. You know? That's why you always to look for that first UFC loss one it's an undefeated hyped prospect because it's human nature to kind of take that as it comes and adversity can be very scary thing in so you don't guy like Anders. I think at the time off will serve him. Well, as he goes through this progression of his career. All right. So we got to other fights on the main card here. One in the welterweight division won the light heavyweight division anything on either. One of those fights stand out to you, truly not really, you know, open Saint Pruitt Nikita Krylov for two guys. I do not think very highly of they did fight just a few years ago when OS introduced the world to the von flue, choke, which was out of obscurity at that point. He's kind of made it his WWE finishing move now. But Krylov is coming back for the first time in a while and OS guy that to me he fatally against the upper echelon any somebody. Nobody beats bad fighters better. And nobody beats bad fighters with more. Than a guy like, oh, S P we've seen this kind of time and time again with him to me, he's just very untrustworthy soloist Krylov. So I really don't have much there for you. Mantell Jackson and Sukhum tough looked a minus five fifty favorites for Mantell Jackson. I think that's more of a when not if type of scenario, I think of Jackson by submission type of prop probably make some sense, China, look at the round prop under two and a half even likley make some sense as well there. But the last two on the main card not a ton there in terms of betting value are so we go to the pre limb card here on ESPN. I know that there were a couple of flights that kind of stood out to you here on this part of the show. Yeah. As we look down through this again overwhelming theme here, and I guess we'll just start at the bottom and work our way up Randy cost of Brandon Davis. Again, a guy I do not think is I don't think very highly of a guy like Brennan Davis. Now when you look at on the other side with a guy like Randy cost cost of Fourtou. UFC undefeated amateur is had some issues out there. But look he's eight now he has eight first round knockouts. He is just been in absolute killer. Davis is cutting down to one hundred thirty five pounds into me. Look this is like we said Brennan Davis. Maybe the more. He's definitely the more experienced. He's definitely been in there with the upper echelons the upper upper-echelon just better type of opponent than Randy costs. Because Randy cost has be absolutely nobody. I certainly get that. I mean, you look at Costa's opponents records, oh and four zero five nine, oh and one that being said he is absolutely starched everyone. Davis has shown that he is very durable. You look back at the fights with Kyle Bach. The AC and he's been able to kind of win wars of attrition, and grit and despite being outside all the way through this. Now, we're going to ask him to drop even more weight down to one thirty five. Look Davis doesn't do anything. Really great. This is one of the reasons it kind of pains me to say, this is great for the sport. But a guy like balk Nak to me is the same thing doesn't really do anything. Great. You can make a great living for yourself by being incredibly durable and putting on and detaining fights. I just don't see that in Davis. I think he's even you know, a much worse version of that. So I think that cost a probably comes out here. You know Davis has been so durable. I can weather the storm but cost eventually in. My estimation. Puts my way late for a little bit of an underdog play at their at the plus one forty next up Curtis Melander below Mohammed. We talked about that one Muhammed mine is one forty five why because he is the more well rounded fighter, you know. So melinda. Though, we talked about this. We talked about him when he was going up against Zeleski last time out. I did pick Celeski notch. Right. Did bet Celeski Curtis Melander. This is the thing. I mean, he is a little bit wild a little bit of a, you know, a little bit a much better version, but he has the finishing power out of nowhere. Like a guy like your hall, and so he can finish a fight from absolutely any position you'll see vicious head kicks. Ulysses spinning back kicks, you see everything and anything. And so if you bet on a guy like Muhammad who does not. Have finishing power is a decision machine point fights and fights is smart type of fight which you know. I absolutely love. Muhammad makes him sense. But you're going to be holding your breath for the knockout of Melinda from from bell to bell, regardless of what happens here, and then probably my favorite play on this card. Here's we go over to Jalen Turner, Matt for vol-. Jalen Turner, mine is one twenty five for villa over at minus one oh five this to me is a little bit of a mismatch in. It's one of those things when you have a line that kind of differs a lot from what you think you kind of think what am I doing wrong completely understand that here? But when we look at this, Jalen Turner is been absolutely incredible. To me when I look at his tape. I just you know, he's so much bigger first of all than for Vala giving up six inches of height to Turner. I mean that cannot be understated first and foremost, and it's it's the matchup styles make fights you'll hear me say that over over and over for Vala is in trouble. Here. Lucky relies on durability on doesn't have good technique doesn't do really anything. Great. And when you're facing a guy that's six inches taller who hits like a truck. I actually think this is a recipe for a when and not if type of fight, and I don't think for has the skills to get in close to land take downs which could be kind of his path to victory here because Turner should be able to tag him in along the way here. So I don't know unless there's a fluke trip villas able to get on top and sit on them for around or that type of stuff because Turner doesn't have the greatest MAC game. While. For volda certainly kind of has an edge there. I just see this one in as something of a mismatch and individual knockout for Gallic Jalen Turner here in that situation. One more flight I want to touch on here. It's the only women's fight on the card this one Lauren Mueller taking this fight. And it was originally supposed to be page van Zandt? But apparently, she's got a fractured arm. So she's unable to go here and Mueller finds herself a pretty big underdog in this one yet. And this is a good test for a girl like pollyanna, but fellow as I stated you know, Patillo is kind of bringing a finishing power to one hundred twenty five pound division. Now, do I know I think it's a breadth of fresh air and good for the sport. Yeah. But as you know, how like Tibet women's zonal British for the exact opposite reasons. Soc kinda screwing some things up there. You get a little bit of value as she goes up. Look. Yeah. Patel seventy-two all but won via knockout of her victories. It's absolutely been incredible to see a vicious body kick, not just fluke type stuff against the gas cans of the world thirty-three second vicious body, kicked his Surrey condo. And so she's been able to kind of do it. All here. Look, I would have because of how they matched up stylistically. I don't know. I didn't see what this line would have been against page vans. And but this would have been and again, you know, I was on page when the situation was right on the ESPN debut. They gave her a matchup tailor-made. This would have been a bloodbath for a girl like Patillo against van Zandt because that's just not vans game. It's really not. So is the bigger the bigger the better striker three in China advantage more experience. She is pretty much better everywhere. So to me, you know, this makes a lot of sense for the line to be where it is. It's a good test for a girl like patella Laura Mueller is certainly, you know, been around the block a little bit here. But coming in on short note. This is definitely tough against a knockout artists one hundred twenty five pound division. Pollyanna patillo. Well, we got a great UFC two thirty six preview overpaying the book dot com written by Christian Pino. You can follow him on Twitter at Christian peanut. And also check out his sports gambling podcast as well Christian. Appreciate the time as always meant. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you again real soon. All right, buddy. Good luck. Enjoy the fights. There you go. There you go. There's Christian Pena breaking down through thirty six with us. Make sure you tune in on Monday for another edition of the betters box. My MLB betting podcast now do for me they can start listing everybody and I'll talk to you again on Monday.

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The MMA Reporters: Episode 36

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

1:06:33 hr | 1 year ago

The MMA Reporters: Episode 36

"Today's episode of Area Hawaii's. Ma Show contains explicit language that may not be suitable for all audiences listener discretion is advised and in your life on this Wednesday September twenty fifth two thousand and nine thousand nine hundred ninety one marijuana welcome back to a brand new episode of the MA reporters. I am in New York City on a beautiful Wednesday afternoon and guess what we have a lot to talk about going to the world of MMA. I'm very excited about Saturday's card in Denmark. I learned two very important things about Denmark. That ain't no like two days ago number. One apparently was voted the happiest place on earth and I'm not talking about Disney world or Disneyland. I'm talking about the happiest country on Earth. I don't know how they actually gauge these things but apparently that's Denmark's claim to fame. Also it's the home of Lego which I didn't know as well and so it's interesting you know when you're a kid you play with. Legos like you want to build things. My kids are very into like these days well. That's sort of represents what this main event is all about the Saturday rate two guys building on things you see what I did there. Jack Hermansson has won four in a row look very good as of late coming off that great win over Jacques Race Soza and how jared cannon near who started as a heavyweight in UFC then went down to light heavyweight and now is to knows a middleweight coming up that win over Anderson Silva which a lot of people didn't give him credit for but I do and so I liked that fight very much I also like the rest of the card sneaky good card on paper names names like Jack shore making his debut coming from cage warriors mark j case against Landau Veneta macy's Jason Brandon Davis CR Badeah John Phillips Nicholas Daulby one of two Danish fighters on this card getting another crack. UC's battled through depression alcoholism the other the Danish fighter Marco Madison not to be confused with the former Laker Mark Mattson where that great moment in the parade when he was dancing all funny. He's a two thousand sixteen Olympic silver medallist the fight or not the basketball player so that's cool GonNa Nelson Gobert Burns Khalil roundtree over saint proof lots of like on this car that happens this this Saturday afternoon also big weekend for European anime. You've got bell torn Dublin on Friday. You've got bell tour in California on Saturday through Europe but you get the point. It's the second half of the first round of the biltmore featherweight Grand Prix so there's a lot going on Daniel cornea coming back a year Stevens running it back much to discuss on this episode later in the program. We're going to talk to Sean. Shehan young journalists out of Ireland works for severe. MMA ensure dog dot com does a great the job of covering the scene there. We'll talk about that card on Friday headlined by James Gallaher and other things going on. Perhaps a little connor talk as well mid portion of the show will talk to another young journalists name a son phase who lives in Denmark who has been covering the Danish. Mac for quite some time and this weekend. He's covering it for the weekend newspaper Aka Weekend Davidson. I think I'm pronouncing that correctly. That's Danish so so he knows the scene very well over there but I let us say hello to. ESPN zone Mark Mundy who's joining us right now from Los Angeles us to start off today's program mark how're you. I'm pretty well Ariel. How are you I'm doing okay. It's been a tough day. My dog ate my favorite Montreal. Expos hats him a little bit in mourning but I'm trying to fight through it and focus on a great time in mixed. Martial arts is a lot of exciting things going on by the WANNA. Let people know We're going to start a new thing on this program where you can ask me or any questions so if you want to go to the review section of the apple podcasts spotify type in a question or two will to answer them on the show starting next week so that's another exciting thing happening on the program as well apart. Yes mark on Monday. I spoke to former. UFC Z. heavyweight champion Daniel Cormet and we're all wondering what he stay or would he go. Would he keep fighting or would he retire. This is what he had to say when asked him about his fighting in future. I'M GONNA fight this guy again in mind identified him in the right way and hope. Let's get more hand rates but I'll go fight at him again. You know I'm not fighting again. This will be the only time that I ever stepped foot in the off the so the next one is officially the last one the next one will be the last one and it's against as it has to be steep no-one else matches and is that offer on the table right now from the UFC. Do they want to make that fight. If they WANNA make that fight. They want me to fight stupid yeah. It was a fantastic fight for all the wrong. Reasons didn't have to be a fantastic fight but it was and I'm not saying I could just grab sleeping meal them down. Will you know but I can do a lot of things better than I did. on all the seventy see so that was from Monday's episode of the Hawaii show a couple of things. I want to ask you mark number one. Are you surprised he's coming back. No I'm not surprised going back. I I know all that previously on the show said I said that I didn't know if he would and I I wasn't sure and I thought maybe he wouldn't but after speaking with you about it on the show I think I realized that coordinates too much competitor to go out like that and he's given he's giving it one more shot and I guess the question now now is when is that going to be. It seems like that is the fight the UFC wants Cormie gave you know it's three in the trilogy and question is is one okay case then. Let me ask you this. Do you believe him when he says it's just one more no matter what win or lose he's only coming back. The fights the abandoned he's done I mean I do. I do believe him. I believe what he is saying at. This moment is true and true to him but I also I also have I've been covering the sport a long time and I and I've heard fighters talk about retirement before. It almost never sticks. Alexander Gustafsson coming back isn't isn't anthony rebel Johnson coming back I believe next year so I think that what Dan is saying is truth right now and September twenty nineteen will it be you know the beginning of next year maybe when this gets made I don't know I don't know when when that flight has done. I should say yeah you you know. I I feel like Dan. Me Isn't one to sort of lie about these things like I believe him when he says it I don't suspected he's going to be the kind of guy to come back when forty five or stick around too long. I I really believe in when he says it's one more down to do it. I've decided that I WANNA do it. I've talked to my family. I've talked to my coaches my management they wanted it to happen. December fourteenth after the Colby whose men fight stalled once again but as ESPN's breath Okamoto reported earlier today steep ahead retina surgery. He's not going to be ready for December fourteenth. I suspect that they'll do it in early twenty twenty the one thing. I just hope doesn't happen. Is this idea and I feel it coming this idea that. Oh you made us wait thirteen months and now we're GonNa make you wait because let's be honest. You see mates debate. They're the ones who dangled the brock. Doc Listener carrot and of course Daniel was gonna take that and then dino had back surgery and even throughout all of that they still dangled the brock carrot only once brock was off the table and around on March that he was like all right. Let's fight. CPA So this idea that he made C. Bay which I see a lot of people say is not true and I just hope the same thing doesn't happen here like they try to turn the tables tit for tat type of thing yeah. No I get what you're saying and I mean I I I do agree in the sense and there were some there were awesome issues that were out of control but I bet if they had his way. Dan would not have thought Derek Lewis at a massive square garden last November and that he would he would have stayed fresh and gun ready for a rematch rather than doing that. so I I do I do sympathize with is with with music and his team but I it's not good for anyone. So it's a wait. I mean no no one. No one is getting any younger here. Everyone's gotTa make money money. and I think that I do. I do agree with your assessment. I I mean it makes sense to do it toward the end towards the beginning of twenty twenty good point about Madison Square in very good point although I'll say there's no chance. DC's taking that fight on four weeks notice against Ebay the only reason why he took that fight on four weeks notice because he knew he derek Lewis in that he wasn't a threat. I could tell I know stupid like this is some kind of nonsense. This is ridiculous just fight me but it was doing the UFC assaulted by taking because they had no other main event. Yes yes you know what I'm saying yes but but I guess deep as perspective that but that's not that's really not the flight to do you know weight and then you know being in the year or something like that and by the way speaking of two forty five. They're still oh hoping to put a third title fight on that card. They really WANNA put three. They've got Germane to randomly against men the newness for the women's Bantamweight title they've got Holly Volkan off ski which was just just announced for the men's title and they are closed finally to booking colby marksman by the time. This podcast comes out. It could even be a done deal. They're close but not quite there just yet so I suspect those will be the three and then early twenty twenty. They'll try to do a DC CPA. You also have the the return of Conor McGregor. You've got a lot of exciting things. The winner of Nate Verses Mas Vidal. Perhaps you like I feel like the next few months are going to be very good in and the UFC starting with the Melvin card like the the cards that we had earlier this year the pay per view cards which seems a little thin. I think we're going to have some really good main events of everything you no stays true to form here. It seems that way. It seems that way I actually I can't believe that. USC to forty three is is right around the corner and really on the heels of that. You'll see to forty four only what four weeks away five weeks away no Moslem versus the as I booked my flights in New York yesterday Yeah Yeah I mean it's it's GonNa. It's GonNa be a really good year for the USC to have that card number fourteen at that. They're trying to stock up with three title fights. I mean yeah so so so far so good and then and then early twenty twenty there is possibly you know the return also of John Jones heavyweight title. There's DC versus three possibly McGregor if if everything holds up there so it's yeah it's the next six months six to eight months six nine months. It'd be really good and you know it's interesting regarding John Jones I feel like John Jones and Francis and guy new are the biggest losers of this Daniel cormier news story right because had DC one they were probably going to you know they were probably going to do the third fight or at least try to do the third fight between in DC and Jones and then he loses and then John Starts talking about Oh. Hey I've got something big in the works. It was a fight against debate debate that he wanted now both things are off the table and if DC beat see bay then he vacates the title and now there's no big fight there and then of course Francis was very close to you know potentially fighting for the belt if DC wasn't on the table and if there was no John Judd's so here's the idea that I'm gonNA throw out. Why doesn't John Jones Fight Francis in Gano. Why doesn't John Jones do what Anderson Silva did when he tested the waters against Forrest Griffin and James Irvine. There's no one to five. That's quite ready for for John. Yeah maybe that changes after the Wiedeman Die Dominic Reyes fighting October eighteenth. Why don't they do John Jones Francis new as a featured heavyweight fight. What do you think I mean. I look see that fight it. Would it would be imagine interesting. Clashes files a Franson Ghana was a very very large man and it would be the first time that we've seen Jones. Go up against someone who is a significantly bigger than him. I mean John Jones walks around probably what ends two twenty and they'd be. Maybe in the thirties all right the most and France Ghana is going to be weighing in and the two fifty to sixty so it'll be it'll be the first time ever that John Jones as a physical disadvantage manage like that and the first time that John Thought anyone with the power that in Ghana so I mean I would. I would be all in for that fight but still I still think and I and I've said at this. I still think that Jon Jones versus block listeners like happen. I know I know that I might be crazy but I still feel. I don't think that brock glistening is one hundred percents that I don't think he's ever a hundred percent done. As long as there's money on the table he's always wanted to John Jones fight. I still think that maybe next summer they they can possibly Mosley put together all right yeah. I know that they would want to put it together. I know it's a big fight. I'M NOT GONNA count it out. I just don't think it's in the cards right now but yeah I mean crazier as your things have happened speaking of crazy situations. How about this past Saturday Mexico City Yeah. You're a Rigas Jeremy Stevens fifteen second fight. No contest mark. This is is what it sounded like. After the unfortunate eye pokes thumbs it goes south. Stevens nope weather clean water contents. This bout has been rolled no contest at fifteen seconds of round number one so officially no contest. Michael close by Ti Year Rodriguez wow that was intense when he said that to Michael Bisbee. I saw your ad Rigas life off flash and it seemed like it brought him back down to Earth. Here's my question to you. Is there anything that can be done. At this point about these eye pokes we had Chad Congo Hongo couple of weeks ago. We had todd Duffey. We have this now. the steep a situation. I know the UFC inventory. I've talked about changing the gloves trying to curb. The eye pokes so you've looked into this as well. Is it salvageable or is this just a byproduct of the sport where you have the fingerless gloves that they they need to look into and there was that that relatively new rule installed about two years ago actually three years ago it went into effect two years ago where referees are now looking at fighters to make sure that they're not they're not reaching out with the fingers extended toward the opponent they won fighters to they're going to have an open in hand. The thing is how to be up in the AIR and and they're they that is that is pretty much as far as like that. It's a foul and itself to extend the fingers and and you could referee could even take a point away. Fighter is just extending two fingers poke the fighters extending the fingers not pointing the fingers up that they fall in and of itself now in the unified rules but we haven't seen we've seen we've seen some warnings being given that we haven't really seen a a point being taken away something like this in fifteen seconds. It's it's almost like what you know. What can you do there was there wasn't even a chance for her being to address status status if that was indeed happening and it wasn't even like a regular. I poke it was like a swipe down it was it was really a freak thing also by the way but herb the tremendous job managing everything that's why the very tough situation here and people have been hard on him and we've been harboring him in the past and what he did a very good job as far as the gloves. I mean I think they need to it would be really nice if if regulators can also come together and come up with some kind of a a regulation 'cause. I I mean right now battle-torn. UFC use different gloves if these are not like he's not really regular. I mean they're regulation but they're not the same type of club. It would be great if there was a consistent glove. Everyone came together and said Hey. This is the one that we whose style of one that we need to use but I honestly think that it's it's it's hard to eliminate eye pokes altogether altogether. I think that they will always exist as long as as long as the fingers will be exposed in a glove because of the grappling fingers do need to be exposed to grapple It's it's GonNa be a hard art things to avoid yeah. The one thing I hate about it is like I think it's unavoidable. I just hate the idea that you're faking this happens. After every one of these I go you have have any of these people ever. Had you know an I poked or scratched or any these things hurt and they may not look like they hurt. When you're you're watching grey's but these things hurt it's ever happened to me and I know these things because I've been around enough fighters and I could tell there in a lot of pain. These guys aren't the type of people to cower our a guy like Jeremy Stevens six weeks away from his family thirty thousand dollars. It's just absurd so it seems like they're trying to book it again. It seems like Boston has been the the date and the location October eighteenth. They just lost events a beat versus. Calvin cater was supposed to be the defendant then it gets moved to Moscow so tough luck for for Calvin cater. Do you Wanna you see them running back. Does it make the most amount of sense especially after this incident that gets revealed on on Youtube of the you know Jeremy talked on Monday but you know we we now see the footage which some unfortunate language being discussed to put a mildly but you know that was discussed in the or or at least uttered in the in the clip itself. You feel like that's the fight to make this run a back at this point because there's a back story. I think it has to be. I think it's the only thing that really makes sense. I think that's the only thing that would really satisfy the fans. I you know I feel I is atrocious. Conduct was on Saturday. I do feel I feel for the Mexico City fans. There's no. There's never any excuse to do what they did. There's never any excuse to throw garbage and beer at Stevens but I do understand that. Hey you know you paid. You paid a decent money for us if they're not they're not cheap and and the main event you know the fighter that you're looking at your on your Red Rigas. couldn't even fight. It was fifteen seconds so I do understand. It's just a it was just a mess all around. I mean there's nothing. There's really nothing good out of that. fifteen second no contest. I feel I feel for both guys. I mean I think but you have to do it again. I it's just one of those situations where like no one comes out looking good. the fens both fighters. There's I although I mean I I do. I do sympathize with both fighters in different ways. UFC It's just a nothing nothing comes out looking good when it may have been fight and he'd say okay. Let me put you on the spot here. You're about to go to the belt for. La Media Day can you explain to me around around sixty seconds or so how the draw for the second round of the Grand Prix is going to work absolutely inclusion of all of the first round flights on Saturday great night at the forum in Inglewood California. There will be all eight eight quarter-final their cresent and they will draw draw the it'll be like a draft lottery kind of like your your NBA like your favorite your favorite your favorite sport. Oh what are you trying to say this just and I'm just like a draft lottery so every every fighter will will draw a ball or whatever they end up using and that ball will have a number on it and the fighter who gets the number one will then take a look at a board that will display all of the open spaces in the belt or world featherweight Grand Prix quarterfinal bracket and it'll have the date. It'll have the location. It'll have an it'll be for the first guy. It'll be empty so the first guy whoever it is. Let's say I'm the first guy I choose. I want the fight to be X. Date you know an ad X. Venue. I don't know what they're going to be at and then then the then the fighter who has the second ball we'll we'll take a look at the bracket which now has one fighter on it and that and the second fighter will decide where he wants to fight when he wants to fight and possibly possibly he can go right up against the guy with the first ball he can go right and say. I WanNa fight that guy and then so on and so forth there number three goes and I think you get the idea. Hopefully I explained that in some way that makes this okay. I'm excited. That's the senator you're GonNa be really really unique. I mean I think it's really cool because there'll be some storylines coming out out of it. You know who will we'll one fighter aggressive and go hey. I'm going to go fight that guy. The entire bracket is open. I'm going to go seek that guy out the fight. That's the story yeah. Absolutely you're going to be there. I will be there okay. Thank you very much. Mark good to talk to you as always we'll talk to you soon. Pleasure was all mine area. Oh Wow okay mark's trying to suck up to TST after he abandoned for a couple weeks. You know the no show the whale watching the birthday thing so. I feel like that was a subtle. It'll suck up to TST who runs a very tight ship these days. Let me tell you by the way speaking of he s T. He wants me to tell all of you that we've got a new podcast. If you're gambling fan you've gotta listen to this podcast okay. I know a lot of you love to gamble on all sorts of things. There's a lot going on in the world of gambling these days. It's all the rage. Everyone loves it. 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Is that how you say hello and Danish not even call okay perfect. Do sit hi hi yes. Oh just high okay. We learned something new all right so let's talk about this card you have see Denmark. UFC making its first trip to Copenhagen Denmark. It's a big the card very much. Could you tell how popular is mixed martial arts in Denmark today sure and I will get into it in just a minute but before I get into it. I really just wanted to thank you for the invite. I just met him in six seven years ago area but I was just a fan of the sport. My dream was to get down the enemy our ask a question and get your take and for the move to be reversed that you at school be. COVINGTON would say the greatest enemy journalism full time to actually by his show is truly an honest thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you Tse Clip that off tonight to the world. Whatever Asenjo said that was great stuff so I appreciate it. Thank you you're welcome Brenda. Hello and I mean Denmark. Every month is growing. If you compare it to Sweden. It's not as big but if you look at how popular remain has become for the last five years. It has really grown part of it. There are three reasons I love it is because the broadcast company via play has really gotten fully invested into him to make the second part of Kana McGregor his rights his rivalry Kinda like mayweather could be made up and maybe at that has brought to mainstream stream attention to the to the semi and the last and maybe one of the most the most important reason why there has become probably because Marco Marco medicine so the meadows who's competing on Saturday yes and so are you disappointed or are you surprised that there's actually only only two Danish fighters competing on this card Mark Madsen who will get into in just a second and also nicholas w but that's it there's other guys in fact bell toward just signed sore and Bach who I think would would have been a nice fit on this card as well. What do you think are you surprised by this. Yes I am actually I expected at least to have refiners on this guy I expect it to him by the on this card as well and metzger nails was only loss are to preserve an art of Alex with on really rather than the UFC and last but not least hacktivism was coming back from injury because they'll take a fight on short notice to only have two fighters on this car and and especially if it's fine markle mets and this late in the state in my opinion from the UFC the the tickets went on sale with no main event with no Danish fighters under card and they have struggled a little bit selling those tickets but they're almost close to selling out today and so coming come back through with the with the signing some how how many how many seats is that as far as the arena it's it's around twelve thousand to thirty thousand feet that range so doubt but yeah maybe soon hundred six or so but they have made the last push has been very important from the UFC especially designing those two things how big of a deal L. is Marco Madsen's. You have see debut. He's he's competed in. MMA for the last few years two thousand thirteen to be exact was his debut but he also took took a break he of course compete in the two thousand sixteen Olympic Games won the silver medal in Greco Roman wrestling. He's eighty to know as a as a professional anime fighter like him fighting the UFC him getting signed to is this mainstream news over there as he that big of a deal. I mean his animated adventure intimate dream intimate story if news while he's in the he's in he's in the news almost every single week so for him to be signed by the UFC is huge is by far the biggest immigrants are the biggest Danish starring in history by far over Martin Campaign Nicholas Darby. It's not even it's not even close and yeah and it's it's because of his accomplished accomplishment investing so he's a as you said Olympic silver medalist a four time world medalist but he's also very media savvy. His wife quit her job as a teacher to be his communication advisor is our PR person and to really get your story out to the mainstream media. He's very kind with his time and he also I. You only need a phone. Call then you have markle cool medicine. Even though he's a big star wow so I'm surprised to hear you say a bigger deal. The Marne Cameron who's one more fights than any Danish fighter eleven the only other Danish for like all the other Danish fighters that have ever competed the only one one he has had some big fights main event combing vented contender Madsen who hasn't even fought in the USCCA is a bigger deal than ever was yeah exactly. It's not even a competition back. In the day with Martin Hamlin fraught he had the big five just just just like the title contention if he wanted to he would get a title shot but it was just maybe one newspaper or two that that wrote about this five I but with Michael Matteson everybody almost everybody knows who he is in Denmark so he's by far the most popular anyway athletes in Denmark and if you look at the numbers in two thousand eighteen more articles were written about enemy and the UFC then the whole whole period from two thousand two thousand ten. I just wrote about this in an article in the weekend newspaper so that just tells you how how much does sport is is growing in Denmark and yeah he's. He's a he but he on the other hand. He's also the most polarizing oh fighter in Denmark. The casual fans love love for the most part they admire what he's done in wrestling career the way he carries himself. He's very professional very polite very respectful but a lot of hard core fans and even colleagues fellow fighters. They think that Marco mets it had been given a very slow build. He's been giving very easy. Opponents and a lot of attention attention. They think is not deserved so they don't take that especially after his last fight with Danish boxer Patrick Nielsen which was the Danish Bursch of Mayweather McGregor Patriots Nielsen is they if famous beige boxer who last competed against Arthur Abraham and Matt's became even more hated after that five because people saw it as a cash grab for from his perspective he made around two hundred to three hundred hundred thousand dollars for that five and that's ten times more that his guaranteed purses right now so if it makes dollars it makes sense but did not I put Arco frame. Wow this is fascinating insight. I never knew that he fought against a boxer named Patrick Nielsen. I'm looking it up right now. and you're you're you're comparing this like it was that big of a deal to like to compare it to me where the McGregor that obviously speaks volumes. This was a huge story over there that what was it like the fight or the boxer sir going up against the wrestler. Is that how it was built. It was really it was built. as the enemy fighter Mark Madsen going against the professional boxer Dr Patrick Nielsen was never had an enemy fire so is most like gin. Sony coming into enemy but the build up of the five was more like like maybe the McGregor and they actually charge like pay per view money for this like five hundred quotas which is maybe like eighty eighty dollars or so so for the fight and a lot of casual fans bottle into it. They actually thought that it would go that. It was going to be a competitive fight and they think they were robbed out of the money and the hardcore fans they don't really date that he's just having their easy fries and maybe some of his fellow colleagues to things that yeah he's making he's getting a lot of attention and making a lot of money so a lot of people like him the casual audience but a lot of course yeah they. They're not a big fan of him. Wow that is fascinating and that's the fight that got him into the U. OF C. That was his last that of course was his last fight prior to getting signed that was in June of this past year. How big of a deal as Jack Hermansson there he's not from Denmark. He's from Norway fights out of Sweden as well like those are his ties is is this a big deal to them at all or I should say he's originally from Sweden fighting out of Norway but do the people in Denmark care about Jacker Manson with all due respect to know okay not at all so the the intention for this event is the UFC coming Denmark not so much the USD but like the end the the MMA's Champions League is coming to Denmark so a lot of the mainstream press are covering the sport like what is mixed martial arts. Why do people go fight in a cage. That's what I write about a lot to the weekend newspaper and then you have the stories of Markle Matt says and Nikolaos Doll D. The and that's really the stories for this week. The Governor Nelson's the Jack Hermansson the Sierra hardware was the hardest job that like that's for the hardcore fans. I really liked this main card. I've seen is very good for European card but I don't think they'd really sell tickets for the in the audience here here in Denmark. I spoke to Nicholas Doll be recently. He has come a long way since his initial released from the UFC around three years ago. Go has battled through depression alcoholism. He's fighting on the card getting another crack in UFC after a nice running cage warriors. This is what Nicholas said to me. Just a few weeks ago about coming back acted. You've seen everything that he's had to battle through to get to this moment. It got pretty bad like especially after spotify which was my last. UC fight I I sustained a pretty like I had a broken bone and so it was I think the worst injury I've had point so that kind of set back back in and just fell into depression. You know didn't do anything else and stay inside on the couch. My bet is binging Netflix and youtube like literally all day long eating chips pizzas and then at the end of the week while 'cause I'm a social person awesome. I need to get that social action at some point during a week or a day and then I got kind of anxious and then I texted friends to meet up and get some beers which was was the I well intended but with the state of my mind it just always ended up being like crazy. Nights outs like ten. AM and and can you know if you go crazy. Drink a lot you wake up with like Moos the days after and then amplifies depression even more so that was just a vicious cycle isn't so a sun as you know. Nicholas Shelby's a tough fighter a talented fighter. He's been able to turn his career and life around around in his last four fights. He's unbeaten had the the crazy no contest against Ross Houston Cage Warriors. The bloody affair had been called off because too much blood on on the the cage surface. Do you think he would have gone another chance. You have see if they weren't coming back to Denmark or do you think they signed him because they needed some. Danish blood on this card really hard. Let's just say I think it's a combination I think they would have signed him eventually especially if he had won a fight or two more because just after markle medicine the next most popular fighter fighter and Denmark's ease Nicholas B here's what I call the Danish Eddie Alvarez the underground came king like every time I read an article about markle mats and a half like common underneath saying why don't you stories about Nicholas Daulby and that's from the hardcore fan so I think the UFC would've signed eventually because when you look at it athletes problem with alcoholism and depression and what his comeback back and and that story was in the mainstream press as well because very media savvy as well he has actually become more popular than what he was when he was in the UFC and with cage warriors just recently having an event in Denmark and him just really having a good performance performance. was that all coming together. I think he would have gotten individually but maybe the timing was just perfect into coming right now. So of the fights on this card that made me haven't talked about is their story you know mats and of course Dhabi of course Jack Romantic big fight against jared cannon near a fighter in particular their story in particular that you're really looking forward to on this one. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the Khalil roundtree very incredible notable in his recent appearances seeing if he can build on that momentum and also see what the governor Nelson really had that that can can he gets away win under his belt and get into maybe into the top ten fifteen and into China contention or it was really. He's feeling so that would be a big talking points from here. I would say other than the five that we have just mentioned and yeah that'd be and the paper that you're covering this for the weekend. What kind of newspaper is this. It is a newspaper that comes out once a week on Friday. It is a highbrow intellectual newspaper goes into with analysis of society politics or culture so they actually don't even cover like they don't cover anime and rarely co covered sports. They have like one story or Max who stories a week about sports but this time do you see coming to Denmark and being the big food phenomenon and the market is way bigger than the boxing market in Denmark. I just spoke with the was one of the editors at via has crass right and instead. It's not even comparable right now. So the fact that the enemy is growing yeah more and more newspapers and media from the Maitree pets are getting into it with that being said it's not close to where Sweden is we are still maybe five years after Sweden but with Conor McGregor but are all incidents with the Dalai thrown immediately after the compete fight it really helps you can see that more and more immediate actually writes about a man. It's because of the good stuff but it's also because of the Bachelor and so I'm just curious because it's a you know a higher brow intellectual paper does that mean the story that they want coming out of Vit- or the the the stuff that you're doing going into it has to be a little different from a different angle than if you were covering it for an enemy outlive Dora sports you know paper neighbors and be like that yeah. I WANNA see like a they wanNA. They WANNA see it. Friend is dead. If this sport growing because we see a certain trend in the Society Heidi wise people getting into mixed martial arts what they do they get out of it so I talked with professors about this. Oh markle medicine and and and there's actually been studies done here in Denmark actually the two two people actually go into the US and interviewed thirty seven American enemy fighters asking why do they train them and May and they say they have different reasons for it so he's actually more like an in-depth analysis of it rather than just the actual fight itself. I love it. That is great stuff. I wish I could understand what what you're writing but I'll take your word for phenomen job. My man great debut on the program. really got me excited even more so than I was going into this conversation about the card and the stuff on Mark Mattson awesome was was really great as well. I really appreciate you doing this. Keep up the great work enjoy Saturday enjoy the buildup enjoy everything that comes with covering a UFC event in your home country for the first time in and we'll talk to very soon. Thank you for doing this my friend thank you better and I can't thank you enough. Thank you and yeah enjoy the event. My pleasure thanks for coming on the is a sunfish covering. UFC Copenhagen for the weekend paper. I won't try to say it and Danish that goes down this Saturday on ESPN plus eleven am prelims two PM Eastern Maine Card card from top to bottom so it's a big weekend for the Euro MMA because not only is there the Copenhagen card on Saturday. There's an interesting belt or card in Dublin on Friday and bell tour has made a a really strong push to be the number one brand if you will as far as M. Promotions are concerned in Europe and so I thought it would be fun to call upon an an old friend of ours Sean Shehan of severe may dot com and dog dot com here to explain the current state of Bel Tor in Europe and talk a little the European amaz- well he does a great job over there and he even has the audacity to call himself the quote Unquote Pod God yes. That's what he has called himself. Let's talk to Sean Shehan now who joins us from Ireland Sean. How are you I'm about. I'm glad you got the Monaco properly order. Shawnee podcastone our own the God I mine I take any of them but great visa on me over the last few months. Yes you've come a long way way my friend for those who are new to this particular show key. Can you recount the story how he first met because it's one of my favorites are we supposed to meeting in personnel sunol kind of online and as part of the show the online. I don't remember. Did we meet in person. Though I met online right. We did yeah I was you know I've been watching for years years and years and years and really had I have aspirations covering it or ending. I spend into it so I was obviously a big fan of of your show over and Miss Fighting Dot Com and we had this is the thing that has distracted or you're sitting in pitchers off and then a New York creek had a combination pack of that and I was on the show. Oh that's your coupla joined the world so we've allowed in along and food for relationship. I think between October last year so it's funny I totally forgot about the picture thing but what I thought you were going to say was. Weren't you at Trinity College. When when Connor who knows Dana was there right and you're kind of live tweeting the whole thing and that's when the whole movement I've been started to try to get Connor signed. I retweeted you a couple of times. Isn't that how it all started. No I didn't forget Mary. Forget I was I had been tweeting your show only been tweeting back and forth Florida today who that was it that you follow me on twitter and you said are you. Are you trying to take my job. I'm like yeah maybe on the Line Arabia's yeah that was I remember that thing like ninety nine followers on twitter and I came out and I had like five hundred biggest thing in in my blackberry was blowing up but like I know I took like a four picture of Dan Goldin and remember I remember he had two years probably many kind of fell over and stuff often you have to be taken out of the arena and you know he he tweeted out stuff about frank shamrock and beat up on it'd be frank shamrock or something like that and he broke the news so I think you'll probably a better meal but I think it was like J. J. versus overeating or something like that and so I tweeted out all of that and there was really wasn't anyone else tweeted out there and stuff talk that was kind of blew up at the one media member gone off and look at you now doing interviews at media day earlier today weighing weighing in as as as one of the authorities over there in Europe covering the sports so let me ask you about this Bell Tower Card because they have tried very much over the last couple of years to try I to solidify themselves as the dominant Emma may promotion in Europe. I know that they've tried very much so in Ireland to solidify themselves as as that they've essentially teamed up with SPG Ireland and John Kavanagh to almost be like what Bob Cook and have your Mendez were to strike force back in the day as the sort of like funnel of you know stars and up and coming talent and whatnot how big of a deal is this particular car because from from what I understand it has been it has been hit with multiple injuries. A lot of the bigger names are not on the car this Friday it has but I think it's not the biggest big fans had been knocked off of this car. It would have been I I must've been blowing and are losing. If richer carly versus Mike page had to be knocked off huge no parliament having injuring opposite big Brian Moore's Ah dare to guys that are running their prime right now at the moment to the best in Ireland so that was a big blow. Obviously we lost demanding because Kyle nor fell out with injury we kept yet. which was the man I but I think there's a lot of excitement? There are actually far. It was funny. Today I over to media that I ah I was waiting in line to interview Benson Henderson and the joy and he's fast and she was talking to someone and kind of stands. There's just energy in this room that I don't really see if in in the US and I was looking around like you know if there was a kind of a balls around and people you know we're Medford people cover me and now in the UK as well. I'm you know I was talking to green. I didn't interview with him was talking about this very thing and you know it's you know it's very upsetting. No and you know it's. I think that kind of says it all it's a card headlined by Jim McGregor and is nowhere near Parrot. You know he would be out the car who who you know this is the new breed of Irish man and they're doing really well and you know I wrote Knoxville for short this week about couldn't take over and how Irish when I have kind of taken over Irish man no cage warriors looking back in a couple of months and they had some very good. Irish talent is what what you said with the SP guys along with the Irish meantime to withdraw and then we killed him. I gotta ask Green Strain of WHO's. Your biggest competitor and you sat there really is no competitor for better because they have so many so many eighty fighters he like he feels he wanted combat artem on the car. It would be almost impossible because there's almost no Irish fighters independent CARADOC with but we're talking about fighters from across the pond fighters multiple as maybe you fight or so maybe one or two went on and stuff like that because our house the most if cornered the market and it's been absolutely huge put him over the last two months. Is it possible that right now bell tower is more popular in Ireland and the US's or is that crazy it's it it depends which way you said as you know as an interview what you go and watch a one hundred percent without a shadow of your favorite local fighters you you know no doubt about a con. McGregor I this moment is the only Irish Bar Irish translator India's feet Joseph Respond fighter but obviously he's training and Kinda. Ah You know depends you everything you really need to know. They don't really have an option both better. You know what I mean because my pregnant isn't really fighting on foot like it's not just it's all the fighters are better or it's also you know the TV team we we talked about for ages and how you know that wasn't and that was hard thing because everything that we're doing by signing these was putting them on the past to dominate over. USC and that was the one that was missing but no on Friday night they're going to be on virgin media to which is maybe the fifth biggest TV station artists literally. Everyone in Ireland is going to watch this for free the manpower the other part of his own spice work. There's still a little bit after that air. That's probably going to be a problem and the rest of it's on the APP for free as well. So you have really thought is the problem you know Jim. Jim's gone are going down for free for every person in Ireland absolutely huge you know if people are watching us on the fan dance are mandatory just going to become more and more popular if you don't where's the UFC we bring in our you know you know you all go point about you know if you go with Argentina you have to have an Argentinian fighter Darah if you know if you with the present during the same with Ireland's and if you have an Irish spider doing really well headlining these Irish people will come out and support them and you know if you don't have that right. There's not fighting Martin anything so maybe if what he's doing this. Aviv believe what you know online unlikely so Baladora how have that given us that also giving pointers like Vince Anderson a farmer. UFC champion. They're giving us giving US money jewelry. Don't give us the NARBERTH Lavinia against wins forty one the best up and coming prospects in the world. You know fight one of the best. Irish I'll come back from across the giving look stuff here to UFC. You'll see is not going to bring a fight over the caliber of Vincent. I'm putting forth from the top on the car. That's just that's not happening so you can do that and they can give us the best of local talents and you know it's interesting because I know you cover not just their Pena May Irish. May You watch all all. I don't know how you stay up. I don't know what your hours I mean. It's just absurd. It's I'm half asleep. It's one am my time and there you are tweeting away and doing whatever it is you do online. It's crazy to me but I feel like right now bell towards doing a better job in Europe than they are in the United States like they have this card on Saturday which is the second half after their featherweight Grand Prix and they've got Masih Machida but because of the names that they're signing because of the talent the upper comers and all that the relationship of this it seems like you know they just had this this. It's a little face off earlier today with you know Fabian Edwards and signing Soren Bach and and Mike Shipman like they're they're pretty much taking over for Bama and cage. Warriors isn't isn't quite at their level. They don't have the funds that Bell Tower and Viacom have I feel like they're doing a better job of finding the talent getting the names that people want to see in Europe than they are here here in American of course in America they're they're battling you have see but do agree with that sentiment like they're more popular and they're doing a better job of building stars and talent in Europe than they are in their actual home of America one hundred percent. I think the reason because that is it's very hard to compete with. USC IN AMERICA BECAUSE USC in America are going to be putting on John Jones on the off the cards are going to be putting on probably McGregor's character. Even the top of all these really really gratified. When do you ever see them in your never we saw it'd be you know. Maybe maybe a couple of weeks ago. I asked your opinion time. We stopped being a couple of years ago but there's very very rare exception so what did really really aren't. They cornered the market here because you know and this was always there. You know we always talk with you. do you can't always talked about in. Ireland was always there you know feeling trees out the tree arena bore and he kinda McGregor or anything go well Dan Connor McGregor Cam and he didn't you know just become the biggest fight in the war and he became the biggest probably fighter in Ireland and the UK as well and created a brand new best. I bet you know he praised in from all over world but he also created his ear and even fan base here probably per capita than anywhere else in the world. You'll see really really didn't and you know they didn't come from that didn't really do anything they kept aren't in the one part and Dolan since Kinda McGregor versus Diego Brando one car and and think about that in stand with the rabid fan base and all the fighters some Andrew. I want as well as just one three or four hundred in the last year if put on parents the London Glasgow today they don't want to go there. They WanNa find all these fighters of English fighters. You know you mentioned Fabian Edwards there. It could be the best fighter in the world in a few years and he assigned to benefit or no and I asked him to interview since he's happy with boundaries happy to become a fighter in the world who got are always talking about becoming the best fighter in the world eating he can do that is less. If the changing landscape as far as your opinions fighters without a shadow was out and they're also getting into Balasore earlier during their careers then maybe they would have got show before so now when you're maybe two and three and four now you might be earning you know you could probably tell me. How much do you guys are getting? Maybe ten grand for a fight better. Where the only way you'll see are not signing you. When you're training off four no five or you don't pay more maybe to get to the place under Quinta Fight Roy so they're creating you know I it's it's a great market like is this the stables for Minnesota that you know that's the thing is probably learning because they can sell out Serena over over and over and over can they do to standing ten day doing the same thing you know in in Birmingham and Liverpool all over all over the UK and maybe you know in the navy as well as you mentioned. They're finding Saddam back today to talk ten do that kind of gave up at people here. Maybe they can give us an innocent but you see he kind of the different market here great insight James Gallaher. WHO's the featured star on this this particular card even though the whole thing is very confusing. What exactly is the main event. It's taped lay. That's a mess of a situation and I don't even have the the patients go through it but he is the star in my opinion on this card a card hard that also features Benson Henderson going up against one of the news members of Bell Tower myles jury former UFC fighter and he has drawn comparisons to connor saint team similar tattoos two similar demeanor. They're both both very confident. Brash Young Fighters James at this point is still just twenty two years young and when he lost to Ricky Bonday US US last year. Everyone just poured it on him dancing on his grave you know saying that he was done over hyped all that stuff on the Monday after that fight. I had him in studio my show and I just you WanNa play this quick clip for those that don't know who James's because I was so impressed that's when I believe that James would become a star in the sport because of the way he dealt with his first pro loss. This is James Talking in August of last year about losing to Ricky Bundy has few knockout was six. It's not nice. It's not nice getting beaten. Any form isn't isn't Nice as the one of them was devastated. I was absolutely devastating intimate restroom. I cried me heartily. Okay I'm not. I'm not ashamed over so now. It's it's not nice. It's the worst thing the worst feeding the World Ifo can hit every bit of look back a watch the fire boy five five hundred times finish start to finish the whole thing and I hold my head high the work that I don't get there. How I conduct myself itself. Hoya fought holy. I did ever went about everything. I'm very proud man. I'm very pro among known known take that away from me the what people say. I'm proud of myself and I'm I've got some of the worker and I'm I'm on automation. I've got a fire in my belly and I'm common for everyone. I'm common for the whole division. James was just twenty years old when I spoke to him in that clip and I was so impressed that he showed up talked about it and the way in which he talked about and so let me ask you sean a are you high on James Gal her do think that he could become a legit fighter legit star in the sport and how big of a deal is James Gallaher right now in Ireland Jim selling out arenas in at the top. There's voter you. Don't okay there. We go all the way trollers but he's the one you know as well. You know what the East promotions and all the ladies coming through the numbers coming true you know so he he is. He's you know as a fighter. I think James wasn't improving an awful onto the kindergarten and ricky bend and they had vice and seeing he lost and I lost like that is sometimes hard like the upward trajectory of not just you you know your career but of your improvements as was talking to James Today. He's a lot he's but he's a lot different when you meet them in Person Carson he is. He seems for genuine would you jim got her interests and like. I don't know why he you know everyone knows he ever talk by Connor McGregor which is weird 'cause he doesn't lead you know if you if you're from Ireland they don't speak at all totally different parts of the country and everything you know I. It's easy to stand that was happy. Losing everything goes when you seem close. He's a different person and I was interviewing him today and he mentioned you actually because you might actually it's the same weekend. I met you that USB the Oakland Avenue and he was in Patty Karner dot night and he was in the front row you anyone ever watch his back. Conor McGregor Diego Brando the camera pans across the football. I'm the fourth fans you see. They're big fans right in the front all standing there on the football watching Conor McGregor. I know he's in the San Marina headlining sending I mean you know. I know I asked him today. Like you guys coming up are watching you sitting in the front row on and you know would be inspired by you and he said he was thought what about before when he wants to do and stuff. I you know I'm in years older than Kim got or something like that and you. You're a twinkie arose. You'll there's GonNa be busy maturity there especially for putting the spotlight like this but Jim got are over fifty or over the last year since that lost. He's definitely impressed me and I know he's impressed quest. You think he's impressed an awful lot of people. I mean. There's an tournaments there for me. He's going to get the criticisms because he's like McGregor and everything like that. The more you see you've gotta her. You know you kind of get to the cover of the book and use the insight even the smart thing that happened today there was the media was kinda been to those kind of ESPN g fighters in London and chew fighters and stuff so all DSP doing all those Mvp and all the other guys. I mean so they were. They were changing Jim waiting to interview him and he refused to go. He's no no wait. I don't do too you know he's GonNa be vitamin everything like that and under a new crew come in and he was the last one there and he wears duty interview like head and shoulders wouldn't do something like that. You know you just get up and it's much I am. I GONNA win. You know he gets it. He understands and that's why he's in the headline inspired here. He's getting comparison. You know people who are people out. There might act more like gyms but they're not in the spotlight because they could get them in the spotlight. What am I doing interviews fighting the where he is. He's not one of those people forget that the only maybe but he's nine and one you said headlining cars and he has a false reading. I agree one hundred percent. He's a compelling character speaking of compelling characters. Let's end on this connors the head coach John Cavanaugh. We assume he will remain his head coach the head man over at Spg Ireland told the Mac life earlier this week that they really liked this fight against Frankie Edgar and I've. I've been talking about this last few weeks. Don't sleep on the Frankie fight. He's being honest when they when they say that they liked this fight that this is of interest not just because of the respect but because they view it as a nice little tuneup if you will be not that he's a tune up fight but that he's the closest that they can get to Habib. I don't feel like the fan I understand stand the psychology and I'm a fan of tune-up fights but I feel like the fans will sort of rebel against this fight. This isn't the fight they want for Connor you buying or selling the idea of Connor Finding Finding Frankie Edgar in his return flight. I'm sending it but I'm sending for a different reason than I think conor McGregor. He wants to come back in and he wants to make money when he can anyone it doesn't really matter he's. GonNa make lots of money. You know you can construct back in and fight heavy. He can probably do you can probably we might have to say about it but whatever Kinda McGregor wants to come background and he wants to be the Kinda McGregor Alvarez and you take the money out of your show out of it you everything onto a new look for using a nothing book by thing. I think he needs to get back there. You know he needs frank acres the right thing. I think someone something like an Anthony says a very very good matchup Conor McGregor okay he lost NTSB you. Can you know you can walk around. Maybe even something less than I think some something different. I really think you know pedestal right because Peres Edgar H e a year plan. He's an eighteen months on. He doesn't need one for you. I'm shrimp. I have even something like that. He doesn't any on the Frank Geico because that's a good preparation for IB. We're GONNA fight and take months. McGregor was at his best when he was. I I stay. They don't have to get ready on the McGregor who anyone anytime bought three to four year on one. May you know couldn't role in every no injuries entry. I think that was when he was on his back. He was going in their head for. I think I'm going to go. No he remember he didn't interview I think it might have been what you talk about. He's session instead. I'm offensive whatever you know about Robien. GNP Did a similar think. He almost gets too much time to get that. That's very top level. You need that news station and come up with that we associate that's my question and the opponent opponent is. NASA authority boss Noah Point matter unless Conor McGregor has obsession out obsession to get into the gym you know and transport three or four hours a day on whatever it is and of course but everything to the site and do not look like he can get back to being one of the best players in the world of in fact when he do that. That's that's the thing for me like I think he's back. Frankly I think especially on almost any on the ones that easily thirty thirty five we ever he's back between the big question for me. He is the pride of Limerick Merrick. He contributes to severe anime dot com sure dog dot com. He has a podcast that he does four severe severe the podcast also on patriotic right. What's the Patriot. How do people sign up for that if if you go to severe amid dot com slash background one euro week or one dollar week around that so you have four or five different posts everybody guaranteed access to demand podcast so it's really basically kind of pizza nights on pros. 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Conor McGregor's Return

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Conor McGregor's Return

"Thank you baby into the game. You kind of your money. That's how you find out who better call. My pets were safe. That wouldn't be any juice. Juice point spreads the vets. The teasers the parlays frong vegas to you these these behind the bat bats welcome back to another episode of behind the beds. We his area. It is a busy wednesday in the world. We currently have a ufc fight night going on as we take this right now. So that's going on fight island and abu dhabi. And then this saturday conor mcgregor's return is a big one as he faces. Dustin portray so a lot of hype surrounding this one. The money line keeps trickling up. We're gonna talk about that. With matthew holt coming up in a little bits and no lou. He's unavailable this week with our taping windows or just me matthew and i matthews a few plays there but first we get the big debut here on the podcasts of aerial. Awani obviously all people listening to this. Podcast certainly know him. Mma insider has his own pod. Got get him on the when you have such a big hype fight like this one with mcgregor emporia and so. We're going to get his opinion. We're talking a little football as well. It's a fun chat with him. And i i've talked about it a lot especially with our. Nfl analyst like miss seeing the guy so much on campus. So it's great to connect with ariel and then tomorrow the thursday will be our. Nfl pod going into championship. Sunday as before we get our super bowl matchup all set before we get into today's episode. I want to quickly remind you. The conor mcgregor returns to the octagon january twenty third in a rematch against dustin poor. Eight at ufc. Two fifty seven on espn. Plus you have. C two fifty seven is exclusively available to espn plus subscribers for sixty nine ninety nine visit. Espn plus dot com slash pay-per-view. Also we have a brand new. Espn podcasts lodging week. Know about i take. But how about i take her. Take this new. Podcast hosted. By charlie arnold kimberly martin and shinsuke. They discuss and debate the biggest sports stories and delve into topics about their lives and culture subscribe rate review. I take her take as well as behind the beds with doug kazarian wherever you get your podcast using the whole fist. Time now to welcome a man who is basically directly associated with fema and when you think you have see you also think aerial awani making his debut here on the behind the best podcast aerial. How are you man. I'm doing great. I've been i've been wondering honestly when you're gonna have me on the pod You don't have on your show you don't call tax. You don't write me all these things and more so it's a great honor to finally be on the show. I guess it's a big week when i finally get the call. Yeah be careful what you wish for 'cause we will certainly abuse that request down. We love all your content. Obviously the podcast that many of our listeners currently also know the dc no wani podcast but you are synonymous with ms. I wanted to get you on for a special occasion. Not just waste your presence on something because when conor mcgregor returns it's big waves. You want me to talk about the bills. My my beloved buffalo bills. I thought that's what this week. You told me. Were talking about the bills today. Do you like a plus the three two. I like them. I like them if they were a minus. Twenty one how. 'bout right bills mafia is so so pumped pumped as an understatement for this for twenty six years. I know you didn't have to talk about my bills fan. But i've been a fan since one thousand nine hundred ninety. I'm very excited. I just hope this can continue for two more games. Well that's about when the broke my heart a raider fan. When they went in got absolutely smoked was forty one to three hundred fifty three. If i remember Do quick question though. How tough is it going to be on sunday sunday now thinking saturday data. How tough was it last week. Saturday the time difference and everything worked out in your favor okay. So i was so nervous about this because first of all it was a really big weekend for anime because it was debut on. Abc right so that was a huge deal. And i thought for sure just given how the first week went that. The bills would get the first slot you know. They got the first slot against indy. And so i thought that we would get what was it the It would be the. I think it was four to seven no of four to seven something give or take a few and so i'm on the east coast here. Anti ohno the abc. The main event is going to go up against the bills. I i'm a nervous wreck when they're playing. This is horrible and luckily we got the eight o'clock slot so the the main event was done by six. I had some writing to do after. I was done by seven. Got changed put on thurman thomas jersey at front television and saw them beat down the baltimore. Ravens taryn johnson taken. It home pick-6 josh allen. Doing his thing. Yes was a little bit over hyped than you know. A couple overthrows here and there but they got the job done going to arrowhead. I cannot wait. And i am very very nervous for For sunday so it's gonna be a big weekend. Get through the connor fight. And then i'll be home watching on sunday afternoon. You should be nervous your bills fan. That's that's what comes with the territory. But i think fans are never saw in the story line so it should be fine. I like both teams. So i'm rooting. Can i ask or i don't know. Yeah yeah yeah no. I don't i don't know yet. I got think about the mahomes thing. But i i said someone asked me for the playoffs. What your super bowl. And i think packers bills. I do think really. You said that at the beginning of the playoffs. Not the season but okay offs. Because i just. I think there's a little off of this chiefs team. Oh my gosh like just another smart person and that gives me chills like the fact that the bills could be going to the super bowl gets a very good packers team blows my mind because as you know it's been a tough two decades so thank you. Yeah man no. I appreciate it. I think the bills are legit. They certainly are and obviously the the people on this podcast. No them the they were in five in the regular season tied for the best record against the spread so Surpassing expectations is what that means and then closed strong. Eight straight covers to close the regular season. So they're good. I mean josh. It's going to be interesting to see how the injury and all that applies at even if he does play like. I'm not optimistic. He plays really. I feel like this is all just a ruse. They're just trying to work with the concussion protocols interesting memory andy dalton now he got like nuked and then he didn't play the next game so it's gonna be interesting how it all pans out because the independent People who are like they have to pass all these the five step protocol so it's really unknown. What exactly is going to happen. And can i think that he's gonna play. I'm not right now for this. I would never root for that. We and i'll say we part of bills mafia. We wanna play. We wanna play the best team possible. I was rooting for the chiefs. I didn't want the browns. That was the easy way out. I want i want a healthy chief team and I want a healthy pat mahomes. Who by the way his father former reliever for my beloved montreal expos. i'm. I'm totally in the other direction. You really wanted me to talk about here. But i'm using this opportunity. 'cause they don't let me talk about sports any other time so yes. I have a lot of love for patrick. Mahomes was on those aches. That's sweet expos team that got strike shortened season. No he was actually a funny story. If you ultimately Two thousand four final season the expos existence i'm a senior at syracuse university and i'm applying for a visa to remain in the united states and work if you don't get this visa and you're an international student you have to go back to your home country while this visas processing you can't go back home. You can't leave. The country can leave the states. This coincided was spring break. So i couldn't go home for spring break at nothing. Do i didn't really have a lot of friends. So i'm like what am i gonna do. You know what i did. I wrote a letter to the montreal. Expos who we. All suspected were playing their final season in montreal. And i told them that my students station at syracuse was assigning me to cover their final spring training. Now this was a total known. Was assigning me to cover the expos. Why would anyone assigned me to cover the exposed. I made up the letter. They accepted because no one was covering the expos at that point and i flew to melbourne florida during spring training when to space coast stadium over there and spent the week covering quote unquote the expos. They've got to talk to frank. Robinson omar menial. That's all the players and pat. Mahomes senior was a reliever on that team. And guess what. I went back and last year. I was home in much. I looked at my. I kept a journal house there and at one point i wright pat mahomes i call them pat mahomes in the journal because we didn't know senior junior. I wrote his son. Is eating popcorn with frank robinson in the dugout right now. That was pat junior the quarterback for the chiefs. I was on the same field as him. He was just like what like six or seven years old at the time. How about that. it's funny you say that. Because they they say are. I've read that like that experienced as being in the clubhouse a spotlight has kind of made him such a grounded person and sort of like handling success. I actually met him at a super bowl party. A couple of years ago just when he started the week seventeen game so before he was going to get the keys to the offense the following year and he was so pumped and he was like very like just down ground grounded and down to earth and just an awesome guide. He was very complimentary. The offense and all the bells and whistles. They had so. That's awesome that you had your notes and you went back and checked it out because those pictures of also surfaced of him as a little prince fielder yeah stuff. Surfacing although Padma mahomes is a little bit smaller then princeton. Better and better. Yes it has respective sports so our man well good. I'm glad you're fired up. I hope it's a fun weekend for you. And just wishing well and all the bills mafia and the chiefs fans do because they know they got the super bowl last year. but they're diehard. It's been all right wattage championship. They've got the. They got their title. So let's talk about conor mcgregor because you know they used to say this about tiger woods. He doesn't move the needle. He is the needle honors. Not as big as tight as it was the gulf obviously but he certainly resonates the gates. Show that the pay per views and the handle does as well where is connor right now. Because we've only seen them fight. Once in the octagon we'll see some not too long ago in a boxing match with Floyd junior but where is he like in terms of close to his peak performance. Okay so that's that's a good question. It's obviously the question. Everyone wants to going into the ceremony. Fight last year in january there were a lot of questions surrounding him because he had not fought in mma. Since october of two thousand eighteen yet not want since two thousand sixteen. He had a hellacious twenty. Nineteen all kinds of legal issues accusations in and out of court all that stuff and we were wondering. What's what's going on with this guy. Like did he just blow it. Is you never gonna return to his old self. Because when he was on fire and twenty fifteen twenty sixteen he was one of the best fighters i'd ever seen Regardless of era regardless of weight class and so he comes back and he completely rex donald ceremony at one hundred seventy pounds. Which i don't think is his natural way class. One fifty five is is much better for him and then he told us he was gonna fight at least three times in twenty twenty and he had the plans to fight pack out a boxing match. And all this stuff and of course the pandemic happens and everything gets the rail but he was hoping to come back in july in november but he was butting heads with ufc. So when i spoke to him last week. I thought that i was going to get a connor. Who was very irritated. Upset wanted to get some things off. His chest had not done any media since last january year ago feeling like he was shelled. All the stuff disrespected instead. I got the complete opposite. I got probably the most relaxed connor ever talked to. And i've been covering him since Twenty thirteen before is you have see debut usually when you talk to him. He's sitting in his chair. He's got impeccable posture. He's he's intense You know he's he's just kind of different kind of cat. When you speak them this time he was slouched in his chair. He was wearing slippers. He was very cool Calm cool collected very very relaxed and That that was a different side. I i never seen him that relaxed before his son was running around his. His fiancee was around as well. He just seemed to be a really great place And i was wondering also about the cut to one fifty five this fight portray is at one fifty five. He has not cut to one fifty five since two thousand eighteen and usually that brings its own level of your tation as well. you know. you're you're you're you're hungry all that stuff. He was not at all. Obviously he looks a little different. His faces a little thinner and whatnot but He told me the cut was going great. Everything was going great. And yes i know people say this before fights best camp ever all that stuff but it really does feel like. Everything's coming together for him and it also feels like the storm is behind him and it feels like he has figured out how to be famous and he got all that stuff out of his system and now he's really trying to do a lot of good for his community and be a role model and whatnot. So you know. We'll see what happens on saturday. But if you're a connor fan and you watched dad. I think you'd have to feel pretty good about where he's at right now. You know it's interesting like you said there's a lot of you know. Talk along those lines for various Fighters going into fights boxing. Ufc whatever and it's just you know lip service if you will but if someone look famous hard i would imagine for conor mcgregor so anyone. They talk about child actors so just later in life. But if you're i mean maybe fatherhood has changed. Maybe like you said the storm is behind him. There's something to that. I mean people change obviously at any age but just in those kind of certain years when the when fame kind of takes over. I guess my question to you is. Is that a good thing like for fighting like the edge was so so much part of what what makes them like guys like mayweather never changed right and i wonder. Sometimes they can channel that and makes him just an intense in workouts an intense fighter. So does that make them more likely to lose or less likely. Okay so i will offer this not to correct you. I i do think mayweather changed. I think early on. We saw pretty boy floyd and he realized that i wasn't getting over. And then we got money mayweather. Right so i i do think he changed a i mean. Obviously his skills were the same evolved. Got better for connor. I think most people would agree the connor that fought huebner. Your maga made off in october. Two thousand eighteen wasn't the best version of himself. He i mean the build up to that fight was ugly and i think it brought out the worst in him. It was it was way too personal and yes trash talking. All this stuff is a part of the fight game but this was on a whole other level talking about family religion. All that stuff you see him against rony. He was in a great spot mentally physically and look what he did. Forty second You seem against poor eight. He's in a great spot. We'll see what it translates into. This man needs to be supremely fired up. He is so intense he is so obsessed as he puts it with fighting and would being the best ever and all the stuff i think. He's beyond the the rivalry and the feud and the trash-talk in the hype like he just brings his own level pipe. Converse broomstick in my opinion does over million buys alone. He's just that big of a deal. So i don't think he needs that anymore. To get up. I think early. On when he was climbing the ladder he was going after jobs aldo. And all these guys yeah. He needed that. He needs to poke the bear. He doesn't need to do that anymore. And i think him being in a good spot is actually better for him as a result. Okay good and then maybe clear. Minds kind of like the chest component of maybe that will make them operate more effectively so often we hear the phrase path to victory. These fighters are obviously both very different than than when they last fought two thousand. Fourteen pori is this i mean. Look they're gonna probably stand in the middle here. But i would imagine. His path to. Victory is later rounds on the ground or as connors conditioning. Really that much better okay. So that's the big question like his his conditioning cardio his his gas tank. Whatever you wanna call. It has always been his achilles heel people. Think that you know. He was exposed against nate diaz. He can't go into the late around the championship browns. Historically he hasn't done that he got submitted by the fourth round. it's etcetera. He maintains everything's changed. He's fixed it. He's he's ready to go thirty minutes. Whatever you know we'll see. I agree with your notion if you told me right now that you you you've seen the fight but you can't tell me the winner and went twenty five minutes then i'd say. Yeah maybe there's a great chance that dustin won the fight and you told me you saw. The fight lasted around. I would say yet. Connor probably knocked them out I think it's gonna be a longer fight than the first fight which only lasted a minute. Forty six. But i don't think he goes the distance i. I just don't see that happening. I think dustin Obviously has power. He's tough he takes damage. You know he doesn't mind getting into a firefight if you will Connors a lot more precise in unusually you know comes out. Unscathed from his fights Some traces what happens. Connor told me that you know he welcomes a quote unquote war. He also said a war to me might be something different than what he thinks. A war is But his official prediction was sixty seconds. Or less you know that would be incredible considering how good portrays and how much better he is the first time. They fought but I i don't think it will be sixty seconds. I don't be twenty minutes And i don't think it will necessarily be a war. I think i think someone will will get knocked out in the first two rows or so. I don't know if there's like an overrun on rounds. But if it's at three or something like that i would take the under. Yeah i'm gonna go look at it. It's probably one and a half sometimes. It's either one and a half or two and a half. So i'm actually going to take. It's an interesting look that up to be honest. I'll i'll answer your question when we rejoin if you will. I'm just like it'll take me like ten seconds. I should have had this at my disposal. No problem and if they don't usually put up over unders yeah yet until Okay so it is two and a half but juice to the under minus ninety. Okay so it is. I have no idea what you just said juice. The hell is favored to go under so To to want one to to be got two hundred zero one ninety one point nine. Gotcha okay so it is two and a half round. Sometimes we see one and a half in these like chamois fights some of the ones that are expected to be so so quick but usually they're two and a half and then they just moved the juice so it's about one to two so thousand eight so it's about one to two favor to be under two and a half rounds so twelve and a half minutes yes so there pretty much saying exactly what i'm saying there and then the big question is if that's the case i would go with the under i would too. I wouldn't i think safer bet. I gotta do this for the show. We joke about just like things. That are the most miserable to bet on like steph curry unders like his points proper subbing just because you can catch fire and it just miserable. Watch him every play and run around and get opening shoot a three years like a soccer over another one. Just like oh my god. They're never going to score. And then i think. Ufc is just Excuse me ufc overs are just so painful. Because one punch and they're like grappling against the fence and all of a sudden the guys choking the other guy out and then one haymaker in so betting unders much more enjoyable to root for than over In mixed martial arts yeah. I could see that as well I i guess if you were. You were acquitted the football i feel like the over would be much more fun right you. You just want overs fun. I think the other ones are so miserable. Waiting out an an like every second could like end like boxing. Like it isn't really end with one punch does but the ufc man. It's just like you can be riding. And then all of a sudden one punches catches a guy on the jar. Even the temple so to speak and it's lights out. I don't i don't mean i could be putting you on the spot here and i apologize if i am but i'm new to all this stuff i find it fascinating my friend who worked for. Espn he he runs. Espn may social handles new york rick. He's brilliant when it comes to this and he's taught me a lot air jackman is his real name You mentioned something about the bills being eleven and five With the spread right. Am i saying. I wonder what connor is like historically. Does he the last so. It's all money lines right. So it's all straight wins or losses. So is he performing at the rate. Yeah so so you can convert all these money lines do percentages and that's a good question especially for our audience so let us use that. Let's just say conor right now. Let's just say what three thirty seven right now. Where i'm looking. Let's just say it's three dollars. So that's a seventy five percent chance of winning. So do you think. Conor has a seventy five better than a seventy five percent chance to win. Are you asking me. Yeah like. I told you i'd say so. Yeah okay so three. Thirty seven is is seventy seven point. One percent to be exact. And that's how you evaluate so actually the last five fights he's actually only three and two so he's actually lost money because he was a minus four hundred favourite to nate diaz which is eighty percent so so minus four dollars is a correlation to eighty percent. So that's where you have to determine value so the last five times he's actually been a net loser but before that the obviously was one thousand nine hundred two before the law so he certainly rewarded betters so he's been profitable just not the last run especially when his money lines were so high. Okay yeah that makes sense so you think he's that so because i thought the price. The price opened like connor almost minus two hundred so a sixty seven percent favorite and then it just got bad up and probably will be continued about because of his popularity historically happens. Yeah i mean look. I think you can ignore what happened. The first time around. I think conor is the master of of mind games. I think it's gonna be really interesting. Sometimes you know the prefab press conferences are just whatever their duds but when it comes to connor. He's he's always thinking and when you saw against aronie he tried to disarm him and he was very very friendly towards him. And i thought that was brilliant because surani gets up for like you know the heated fights but sometimes you kind of sleep walks through the other fights and i thought that that was very calculated on connor's part this time around an by the way surani like i remember watching him at the pre fight press conference last year and he was banging on the table and telling everyone how excited he was to be there and how to have this firefighting all this stuff. And i watch him. I was like oh. This fight is over. Because he's just convincing himself right now. He's trying to psych himself up also. He was wearing this hat. Like you look like the undertaker covering his is. It just felt like he didn't wanna be there by the way several months later. He admitted that he just didn't wanna be there. for for for lack of a better You know his thoughts. But that's basically what he said. He said he just kind of buckled under the pressure now on thursday. They're going to have the press conference. I'm really curious to see what happens there. Because of their you know their demeanor in leading up to this fight conor has been. I think disarming dustin as well as saying he's gonna you know donate to his charity five hundred thousand dollars now. I think that's genuine. I don't think that's part of the mind games per se but if you compare this vibe leading up to the second fight as opposed to the vibe leading up to the first fight is completely different. the first fight dustin was very upset. There was a lot of trash. Talk a lot of back and forth this time. It's all buddy buddy stuff in reminds me a little bit of the surani fight and historically dustin has been said gets a little psyched out for the big fights. Lost habib lost the connor when there was a lot at stake so those are a couple of famous examples so he has a lot of pressure to try to rewrite that narrative and encouraged to see how connor plays with him or not leading up to the fight on saturday. Yeah that is always interesting. I know i remember bernard hopkins a time ago told me after friday's like just trying to sell pay per views and then sometimes you go. Sometimes it matters. Sometimes there's a reason behind stuff but usually we're just trying to stir the pot which is fine. I mean sometimes. it's genuine sometimes is not some of the animosity. But i love that. There's a calculation with a connor in your eyes on previous situations. We'll see the new the new connor what he does here but ariel. I can't thank you enough to talk a little football talk a little. Ufc is well and get you on the show. Soon on daily wager in back here on the pot. Hopefully anytime cypher. Hijacking the shuttle lee's. I'm very excited. I'm sorry what. Can i say to special time but keep up the great work. The set looks great. Stuff that you're doing is great very guard. i remember when i saw when i first joined. Espn and you know you were talking about all this stuff. So it's It's really great. To see it all comes to fruition. I wish you the best thank you. That's very kind. I remember when you first started to chat in the parking lot. it was. Just that's the that's the one thing. I honestly really miss the most about connecticut. And and being able to be on campus and just interacting. I say this when we bring on. Nfl analyst how awesome it is to pick the brains of people in the hallway and really bother them asking questions about the upcoming weekend slate of games and to see people like yourself and stuff. So i appreciate your saying that and hopefully we'll all connected to fight soon when everything calms down in order is restored and we can have a share. few laughs octagon side amen. I look forward to it. Thank you man. thank you getting. Good luck to your bills. Thank you very much all right. Really cool stuff with ariel and before we get to matthew holt. I a quick word from draft kings return. We've all been waiting for is finally here. One of the sport's most notorious icon stepping into the octagon. This saturday draftkings. The official daily fantasy partner of the ufc is giving you a three-shot shot huge cash. Prizes for this weekend's fight draftkings is offering new players a free shot at million dollars in total prizes with first deposit. You haven't tried it yet fantasy. Mma is easy to play. Just pick six fighters stay under the salary cap and pile up. Points for advances take downs and more. 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Stepping back into the octagon with dustin paulie a so it sounds like i talked before and sounds like you and i are on the under dog ear poor year just because the price has gotten out of hand just for me at least to explain why you like the dog here in for me doug. It's not just the value in the line. Dustin parades activity of these two fighters. Being active is so important industrial poor as a guy who trains at one of the best teams in the world. We don't have to question his drive his passion his enthusiasm for the sport. This is a guy who's gone six one in one since two thousand seventeen fighting eight times in that span with winds or some of the best fighters in the world including max holloway. Just engage any alvarez. Dan hooker anthony pettus his only loss in that span undefeated lightweight champion. Could be nervous. Bet off. this is a guy who really is at the top of his game right now on the other side since two thousand seventeen conor mcgregor just to fight the inactivity continues to play mcgregor one short one minute fight against an aging cowboy ceremony and fight against could be normal. Men often without fight was completely one sided. It's been over a year since he fought again while dustin poor. You had that epic fight of the year. Contender in june against dan hucker conor mcgregor's on the shelves again for year. Since that cowboys aronie fight now in another multi-million dollar lawsuit just filed this week against mcgregor in the distractions outside the octagon continue to mount for a fighter who hasn't seem to have the same passion and drive since getting that big payday versus floyd mayweather. I think if this fight was a pickle you force me to bet it. I would probably lean corey and this price. It's a no brainer for me while that's quite the statement so you would take them even a pickup that's that's impressive. We talked to ariel awani earlier and he really liked like everything. Connor saying he felt like it's a more relaxed connor like a different mcgregor. And that's certainly the case we've seen fighter sort of evolve In combat sports across the over the years and it would be interesting to see but he feels like mcgregor's like a healthy place so to speak right mindset the over under two and a half the unders about two dollars give or take some ten cents here and there i. It's tough for me to think this one goes overbought. Also heavy juice there. Yeah and think you're right. It is heavy juice. And let's face it conor mcgregor doesn't get knocked out. This is a tough guy who will stand and take shots. Seen him take shots before and on the other side dust emporia as a warrior. We've seen him in fight. After fight with just engaged with max. I'll make even the damn fight. I think that round one or two the round of the year twenty twenty. He stands there and Now granted both the is hit really hard so at the end of the they're just standing in. It's not likely to go all over. But i still think these guys are really tough at plus one eighty plus one seventy when i rather have the over rather than the under. I think if forced i would take over. I could see this being a k. k. o. For maybe even mutilated damage situation. But they are gonna stay. Didn't trade so bet the over your payroll certainly interesting okay so You airplay contrary and a little bit on that front but next fight on the card is really interesting chandler and hooker and this is your top place. I'll just give you the floor here. I really liked this play a lot. Look michael chandler. I'm one of those guys that way back in the day. Michael chandler versus eddie alvarez. I became one of those guys that like. Oh my god tours. Awesome chandler and eddie alvarez or colts heroes is are the best and after that eddie alvarez epic fight really changed the history of bela tor. We're talking about him. Chandler who went on to whip then former you cried in pain craze agenda Hero gonna oh followed it up. The david eccles. Who at the time was an up and comer rick hahn chandler was amazed in but then since then he went in five and bella tor and he went and five against competition. That was necessarily the best he lost. Twice to will brooks lost brent. Premiss got up in the first round by featherweight. Moving up patrice zero pit bull. Free air had a split decision with a really aging benson henderson who wasn't really competitive in the ufc anymore. When he moved to bella tore one of the things i know. Is that michael. Jane has struggled historically with top fighters. Four of the five Does that came in that nine. Five or against fighter for five ten or taller especially will brooks who was almost six feet tall six feet tall fighting. Get one fifty five. Dan hooker so we have a younger fighter in hooker. A guy who's forty a month or at least reasonably a level of competition. That chandler's just never seen at least not since the eddie alvarez days bela tor they just don't have that much depth that light him to face the type of fighters that he's gonna face in the ufc so now he's going to have height disadvantages reach disadvantages and while he's only thirty three years old. Michael chandler is a guy who's been in too many wars and had too many injuries. And if you watch michael chandler versus eddie alvarez one and now watch michael chandler Benson henderson or brent freeman or some of his more recent fights. This is not the same angle chandler anymore. We have We all the size advantages which historically have given chandler trouble with lesser competition. Now with a guy who's at the top of his game. I think dan hooker minus one. Twenty five's a steel. And i think the only reason to fight is priced. That low is because of the name Michael chandler wanted them to fight this fight. There's a reason they had him the alter alternate for the coppee versus just engaging fighting case one of them pulled out because michael chandler is a big name then. They wanted him to fight tony ferguson. But ferguson wait for for the new year so he went ahead and bottle of era in lost was already booked verse mcgregor. I think the us really just ran out of options for michael chandler. They probably didn't want this guy to come over and get starch in his first but just from a pure handicapped perspective. This is the exact type of fighter that michael chandler is always with throughout his career. I don't see it being any different here at this point chandler's career and then conquer gets done in a timely way saturday night. All right quite the emphatic play. I like it very very thorough. Very solid and very with a lot of conviction on that one so i applaud you across the board even before they step into the octagon so you have two more place for our audience. Let's go your goal. I it's a little bit of underdog here again. We talked about the size issues. And the michael chandler. Fight another situation here. We thought michael chandler at five foot eight was short of the lightweight. Division off mahnaz atar. The german fighter is only five foot seven. One of the shortest lightweights ever seen yet. Somehow he's thirteen with ten outs in his career. It's amazing that he's been able to sustain that level of success thus far because what we rarely seeing throughout the history of the ufc and you can really go back a long way is is that are massively undersized. For their weight divisions having a lot of success in that division or sustained long term success. That's why these guys go through such rigorous weight cut zero. That's why they lose twenty five pounds in a week because those advantages are so important in the octagon to have a guy five foot seven finding it at lightweight at one hundred fifty five pounds at some point. I just don't know how that doesn't become such a detriment to him that he's not able to consistently compete and thus far the results have been good but they're limited to fights in the ufc against very limited competition in both cases he was able to get the ko but on the other side. We have a guy at matt revolt. He trains a great jim. And you have gracie tampa south down there with billy corn geo and some other ufc fighters and the level of competition between these two guys vastly different free volas but in there with lando anada. He beat louise painter. Who is one of the most hyped prospects. there is he beat jalen turner. Who is this huge hundred fifty five pounder who was also a big puncher revolt has a great ground. Game has striking games improving at a integrate jam and again he is going to have a big time high reach in size advantages in this fight. At some point. I think those guys disadvantages catch up with as a tear as his a level of competition increases and i think plus one fifty presents a lot of value on matt the steam roller for evola. Yeah great nickname. I was going to wait for you to drop it. I was gonna drop it if you did fantastic. So yeah you're picking the first first loss for as atar there but like you said obviously a brief brief experience. Okay you are mr totals so we can't let you add here without a solid play on total and you have one in the prelims. Don't always love lane juice on a total khalil. Roundtree marsin Neo under one. And a half rounds. You're probably going to have to lay between a dollar forty and a dollar fifty five and juice on this one. But i just don't know how it doesn't go under here. So khalil roundtree now has eight fights in the afc or ninety four and one in those nine fights three of his wins or by first round knockout. Three of his four losses are also by first round finish. This is a guy who six of his nine fights in the ufc. Didn't make it at around one and on the other side with practice. Now it's even worse. This is a guy who never makes it at around one. Seven of his last eight fights have failed to make it at around one and even worse for practice. Neo is. He's owen three in the nfc with three straight first round. Ko law says his chin isn't holding up he doesn't seem to be competitive at the ufc level and he's not even making it a couple of minutes and khalil. Roundtree is a kill or be killed in three minutes type of fighter. He goes out there and leaves it all on the line and either knocks you out or gets knocked out in the first three minutes. I actually dig. This fight is probably priced right because of the level of competition difference. Rowntree's been in there with the likes of johnny walker ion ho cooed. Alaba go can't sake paul craig. Tyson pedro era ganders. All big rank light heavyweights at the time. And he's won some in law some but the one thing that remains consistent is those fights in quick i think khalil rowntree's probably going to get a knockout here within the first two minutes rather than lay minus three hundred. Let's just go under one and a half rounds minus one fifty. Okay so Maybe some get some round props as well in there as we get closer to the weekend they get posted Maybe get a specific action there and get a little bit more. Pay out if you like the side as well my friend. Good to be back on the horse and should be a great card this weekend. Obviously the exciting main event with such intrigue around conor mcgregor and the unknown the unknown an expected right. That's the way to approach mcgregor. But we appreciate you getting on air in gives us in your thoughts. Thanks as always doug. It's a pleasure to be back happy new year. Everybody best of luck this weekend. Take care all right you got about. Nobody has ever bet enough on a winning horse. I really great stuff. Thanks to matthew holt as always get his breakdown of the car and it was really fun but during a fight card with the ultimate fight night going on right now over on fight island of course thanks to aerial awani really fun chatting all things not just the world but also the football world as well so a big part of bills mafia so he obviously is a lot going on this week able to space it all out as he did the juggling act last weekend on saturday but obviously the action be on both days so go check out the main event and everything else on the fight guard this weekend from abu dhabi and we'll check back with mr executive director tomorrow for the nfl. 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UFC 236 Post Show

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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UFC 236 Post Show

"A delta flight of three hundred cities three hundred cities where people singing the car, and where people miss him one in one of our other two hundred ninety nine cities. We don't fly to three hundred cities merely to bring us together to show us. We're not that far apart delta keep climbing. Lanta? What did I in particular, the last just forty eight is the new interim, you seed lightweight champion and Israel out of sun is the new you have see interim middleweight champion. We can go either way here we could start with Dustin. That's a huge deal. We could start with Israel give dust in the nod. He was the main event what form set of him. Did you scored in his favor? First and foremost. Yes. Absolutely. Okay. I had him when for of five rows, I even gave him a ten eight in the first round, which I think I was on the minority of. But I was I was able to watch from press row and just the weight of his punches compared to max Holloway's, and you and I talked about this before the fight started. What is something that we're going to be looking for when the fight starts? And I said, well, I just so so quick sometimes to say, oh, it's only ten pounds from one forty five to one fifty five. What's the big difference? There is a difference. You know, and I think that was an advantage that doesn't. Ahead tonight that he did in there with just engage. You Eddie Alvarez with Anthony pet is he knew what one fifty five feels like his body is has been calibrated to fight at one fifty five max Holloway was sort of finding this out on the fly and max Holloway. Did not look bad. He looks like the max Holloway that we've come to know at featherweight was high. But he never hit didn't. I shouldn't say never, but it was hard for him to really change. The course of the fight at any time because he just lacked the power you saw the power in Dustin. You didn't see it for max tonight did feel like it was a lightweight fighting featherweight in there from from power standpoint. But also from visual standpoint, I'm shocked that I'm saying this. But it almost feels like max is a true featherweight after all I don't think. So I just think max max towns at fighter max is still twenty seven years old. I think give max I mean, how long has done for you've been fighting one fifty five we spoke about at this week's two thousand fifteen you give max next four years turn into a lightweight. I'm sure this would be. A different story inviting dust Emporia. But again, I just think we are so dismissive of it sometimes certain guys can do it. We say Conor McGregor. Did it? He went from one forty five to one fifty five no problems, not Eddie Alvarez. But I think max Holloway was going up against the guy who was on a tear guy with a lot of confidence guy who was very familiar with one hundred and fifty five pounds. And when we were talking about the best of the best fighting each division, those tiny little nuances matter, and I'm not saying, that's the only reason doesn't poor on the fight tonight. But I do think it was a major advantage in his favor. This feels like a true Cinderella story in the sense that you have a guy just Emporia who debuted in the short notice. It was supposed to be Josh crispy against Josie Aldo UFC one twenty five for the featherweight title, the very first featherweight, title CSV, although gets hurt by ruins those plans against Grimsby beats crispy, and then it takes him twenty two fights the second longest streak ever for a fighter to get just behind Michael. Ping's twenty six and he's had so many ups and downs in his career. And it felt like if he didn't win this fight. It might never come his way. Right. You had to win this one. And so it's hard not to be happy for the guy right now. It's impossible not to be happy for them. Because on top of that. He's also just a great guy. Yeah. Selling his fight kid for charity. He's a family, man. The way he treats his daughter calls sweet peas, very likable guy. You say ups and downs. I don't even know if I would really necessarily say that there weren't that many downs, you know, throughout that whole process. He lost what three fights in the UFC has just in opera. Tune rhymes. That's how that's how cruel the sport can be. Sometimes you can win whatever his record. Is. You have seen now seventeen and three or whatever it is. But those three losses were enough to prolong his his his title run for eight years. I mean that that is just the sport in which we're dealing with and the division in which we're dealing with lightweight division is so stack and everything that's going on with Conor McGregor and could be met off. It just it prolonged it for dozen, Portia. But he hung in there. And isn't it fitting? The for months, maybe even the last year has hashtag has been paid in full in full paid for it was that was very appropriate tonight. I some earlier this evening as he was walking out. He said twenty five minutes to make life fair. And I think he quote, yes, I think he accomplished that mission. You know, I remember back at UC one seventy eight the build up to that fight. He was so coffered that he would end the hype train that is Connor. He lost in very quick and devastating passionate. And I was wondering at the time if that would break him, and I know that was a long time ago and also stumbled against Michael Johnson. So so like, you said not that many losses. But it always felt like they were devastating losses and on the cusp. He was on the cusp of doing something great. He finally got over that hump which reminds me of Michael like story, right? Maybe he was always going to be the bridesmaid. Now, not the fischel champion. I was talking coach Mike Brown in the back. And he said, you know, I never really liked those interim belts until my guys started the win of Colby Covington. Now, he's all about them, so bad feels like a great moment. Even though it's an interim title. Well, let me ask you this. Because we. I've been very complimentary of support as we should. Yeah. And a guy has been through a lot, and he's persevered and this probably took a lot longer than it should have. But here he is. And you saw happy was standing at this desk after the fights. And there were a couple times where you just patted the tells it means so much to does he have a chance against remembering I think he does obviously that fight is five months away. So it's not a lot of time. I think to prepare for many years to get over this little banged up. I think he does he looked really good in this fight. Obviously, I would favor. Habib I think he'll be was one of the best fighters in the world most dominant fighters in the world he's undefeated in the UFC. He'll be fighting in a very pro Habib country, he'll be in the United Arab Emirates and Dhabi. That's the plan as of right now. Interesting, by the way, did you see hubs tweet about this than saying that he didn't agree with the scorecards? He thought it was a lot closer than forty nine forty six. Yes. But he did say September. So it doesn't seem like there's any footsie going on, of course, like clockwork. There's kinda McGregor. Tweeting and saying now, you can get your fight against Nate. Which was a bizarre curves tweeting before the event say, hey, everybody, watched these two gentlemen, who I defeated previously in my career that that's doing this amazing gimmick now where after every UFC fight. He somehow finds a way to insert himself into the narrative that is kinda for you. That is what he's been foresee any scenario in which Dustin doesn't fight. Habib nex. I really don't especially if I've already come out and said see went September. Yeah. I think you know, we make a lot of people make fun of these interim titles. They say they don't like them. What do they have? Well, this is the value that they need to have right now. And we've seen it just recently even with with Colby Covington that it doesn't always mean anything. But I do think that I smoked Dana white after after the event, and he said, yeah, could be is. He's not a guy turn down fights. He still has a few issues with his teammates being suspended as we all know. But I think as far as an opponent. He's open to. And that is that I am as a painting who would you favor. You got a favorite hobby. But. Have a tough match for anybody. But doesn't the experience the well roundedness and the power that he showed in this fight. I mean that is the type of power to change a fight even though he didn't get a Finnish over max Holloway. You know, I think that was a testament to how how how durable max Holloway can be this way he has the power to to stop hubby's progression. And then we see what happens in so max hallways. Thirteen fight winning streak is snap. Now the tie for the current longest winning streak in the USC is he'll be reminded me off in Tony Ferguson. You still kind of feel Ferguson and all of this, right? Because he was once the interim champion weight lost the belt after he tripped over that now infamous cord, but we understand that he's not really available right now going through some personal tonight as well. He did. Yes. I asked Dana white. You know, what are you gonna what do you what do you need to see out of this guy? I mean, even as a promoter. What do you need to know about him in order to feel comfortable booking fight? And I don't think Dana white even knows that answer. I think that that's conversation have to take place. Between the US and the promotion Antoni, Ferguson. But I do think it's it's great and it's positive to see the Tony Ferguson is wanting to engage and he's tweeting about fights. And I hope he's, you know, close to that on the flip side. Let me ask you about max quickly here. Would it be fair to say next fight is going to be at one forty five? I think that's fair to say, you know, and again, I wouldn't mind if he stayed at one fifty five, and I don't think he would have any problems being at one fifty five he would find a home there. He would he would he would find that that comfort zone where he needs his body to be. But he's got that Bill, and it's just drop the belt and say, okay, you know, now, I'm going to focus on one of five when you have that belt. You know, you can make that way which has always said I can make that way. Then. Yeah. Into moving down. It's going to be interesting to see who emerges as his next opponent. I think of Alex off ski wins on me eleven he should be next although wins, I don't wanna see that fight for third time. So it's going to be interesting to see I mean, there's a lot of pressure on will ski to get by Aldo because I think it's hard to argue against them. But Edgar though, don't you think? Not a lot of momentum. There there's not. But technically he is his ranked that higher supposed to happen before. I think max, that's that's a fight that he wants. He sure he understands what what Frank represents Frank not getting any younger. I'm that's what my guess would be. It will see Franken. Okay. Now. Let's talk about the Komeito vent. What a fight right now. It is April fourteenth. I think that's the fight of the year as of right? This moment every tough to top. Yeah. What an incredible performance from both Israel to Sonya and Kelvin Gasol Indian out of your winds via decision ask you the same question that asked you at the top. Did you scored for his Yati Sonya? Yes. I did. I had tied to rounds. Yep. Going into the fifth and what it is your assigned to do. He didn't just win the fifth. He went out and knocked him down three times had had the referee stopped the fight. I wouldn't have had I would have been like cool. Yeah, I'm good with that stoppage and any attend eight. I think that that's the type of around that really starts to define your career. You know, where you your back against the wall? It's a title fight against veteran. He's put you into deep waters. You have not been in yet in them. And they and you responded with a ten eight round. I think that that was very telling a big statement by Israel Tucson, you thought it came down to the third round in that one. I was actually watching a chill chill scored for Kelvin of other. They're good friends, and maybe a little biased his corridors with a grain of salt. And he scored at a ten eight in the fifth which would lead to a draw. I had the third for out of Sonya. So I grew your scorecard to to going into the fifth and what a performance in the fifth round for modest Sonya. And you saw him afterwards very banged up. But now all of a sudden, it leads to this monumental fight right in Australia. Probably New Zealand versus Shelia and Whitaker has ties. He's born in New Zealand as well. Of course now is route assign. Yeah, is these second African-born champion a month after? Reuss did it and that's the mazing for that country as well. But this just feels like if they couldn't if they would've told us in the back in a secret corner of this arena who they were kind of hoping would win. I feel like it was his route assign it like there is something special about this guy. And it's never really too hard to say who would you have one to win. You know, you can always kind of play that game. And you can get to an answer doesn't always work out that way, this one is worked out and they wanted in February. I think they wanted that moment where I could be Anderson Silva, Robert Whitaker could get past Kelvin Gasol. And then you bring out Sonya into the octagon you'd have those two square off. And it didn't happen due to crazy unforeseen circumstances. Right. But I think we're back there now. And I I definitely think that this is the type of fight that can be a spectacle that can be stadium and could be that type of fight that even here in the states. I think we'll give some people pause and the wanna take notice and pay attention to this fight every time I do interviews with radio stations and some random market right there. Ezra. Who's the next star? It feels like we've found that guy. Like, the first guy would say right now would be outta sign. Yeah. Like Habib has already arrived. But as far as the next guy, it feels like gotta sign is that guy, right? Yeah. I think that there are some some guys that we would have said that about that. Hey, this has to be the next think Brian Ortega was sort of on that mold undefeated it a big fight coming up against max Holloway. You know, he was actually favored to win that fight. We saw what happened there Darren till was that guy for a little bit now until I used to fight losing streak legacy. How he bounces back Israel at a Sonya was one round away from being the next guy. That was like, hey, he was going to be the guy, but he didn't quite get it done lost to the veteran, but he stepped up and had that amazing fifth round. And that's why I can't put enough emphasis on how impressed. I am of that fifth round that is the type around where you just think about everything that's at stake. All the chips are on the table. And the fact that killing gasoline is just the guy that you cannot finish. And he had that type of performance in the last five minutes. Nice to see Whitaker merge on social media. He's not that type. But he did say, congratulations. See you later on this summer right now who do favor in that matchup. I think still still would occur but Israel's crossing over into that territory where you don't wanna bet against. Yeah. He's now seventeen as a professional. He is six. No in essentially, what fourteen months, it's an incredible run. And he's now engaged in this back and forth. Not only with Whittaker John Jones as well. He was asked that the post by press conference about Jones's tweets, and he said I'll deal with that later tonight. It's about covenant but Jones continues to tweet about him. And you see that clearly his interest is piqued. I don't know if he's trying to get some headlines, but something's going on here. I think it's great for Israel to Sonya to be tweeting about John Jones. Don't think it's great for him to sign a contract by John Jones anytime soon right now. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go with Whittaker. I all right. Any other performance that we should talk about we had Khalil Roundtree with a nice win. There were some other performances throughout the undercard was under Pantoja with a nice win any other one that you want to highlight before we say goodbye, man. I am having such a hard time. Even remembering. The rest of the car. What happened in the co main and main our boy, Boston Salman, did not do not fair to well that was a very quick finish the algebra ban. Very upset at as judges. Didn't give him give it to grant spoke to us fired up. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, saying that he was going into a contract negotiation after this felt that he was pushing the pace, and he he felt like the judges robbed him not only half of his paycheck tonight, but of his his contract negotiations. I mean, we've heard that story before, unfortunately, that's how the sport works. And he was he was very motion all about it. And how about Nikita krill of getting revenge? Five years later with zone submission against open Saint Preuss. Oh, and by the way, kudos to this crowd. I mean chanting for poor H&_R for Holloway chanting for out of sending. None of those people are from Atlanta. Right. And they were chanting. They were loud they came here early. It was very impressive crowd when they were last here for UC to a one it wasn't a very loud and boisterous crowd. I thought tonight. The Atlanta crowd really was impressive. And you see by the way giving fight of the night awards to both the. Oh main and may no performance of the night award. So they give the fight of the night award to gas them at a Sonya and then to poor you and Holloway. I thought that was the right calls. Well, I would say so on any given night we'd be talking about that main event is potentially fight of the year. But it just happened to have on the other side of the year. All right. Great stuff. My man pleasure. As always thanks all of you for watching our coverage all week long from here in Atlanta's you can tell behind us. They're breaking things down. So it is time to go. Thank you so much. Congratulations. Emporia -gratulations is route assign. Yeah, we'll see next week for a whole lot more things to talk about. I am sure crazy world of making from. And now I fought from Geico motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to click on the banner ad entitled, you won't believe what these child stars look like now, Vida satisfied and kinda said about how the child stars look. And now your computer is plagued by pup ads on this can't be to add insult to injury. You could've used those fifteen click bait minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance to Geico. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance.

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UFC 236 Post Show

Ariel Helwani's MMA Show

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

UFC 236 Post Show

"A delta flight of three hundred cities three hundred cities where people singing the car, and where people miss him one in one of our other two hundred ninety nine cities. We don't fly to three hundred cities merely to bring us together to show us. We're not that far apart delta keep climbing. Revenue in Atlanta. What did I in particular, the last just forty eight is the new interim UC lightweight champion and Israel out of sun is the new you see interim midway champion we can go either way here we could start with Dustin. That's a huge deal. We could start with Israel give dust in the nod. He was the main event what instead of him? Did you scored in his favor for foremost? Yes. Absolutely. Okay. I had him when for of the five rows, I even gave him a ten eight in the first round, which I think I was on the minority of. But I was I was able to watch from press row and just the weight of his punches compared to max Holloway's, and you and I talked about this before the fight started. What is something that we're going to be looking for when the fight starts? And I said, well, I just so so quick sometimes to say, oh, it's only ten pounds from one forty five to one fifty five. What's the big difference? There is a difference. You know, and I think that that was an advantage that doesn't for. Had tonight that he did in there with just gates. You Eddie Alvarez with Anthony pet is he knew what one fifty five feels like his body is has been calibrated to fight at one fifty five max Holloway was sort of finding this out on the fly and max Holloway. Did not look bad. He looked like the max Holloway that we've come to know at featherweight was high. But he never hit didn't. I shouldn't say never, but it was hard for him to really change. The course of the fight at any time because he just lacked the power you saw the power in Dustin. You didn't see it for max tonight did feel like it was a lightweight fighting featherweight in there from from a power standpoint. But also from visual standpoint, I'm shocked that I'm saying this. But it almost feels like max is a true featherweight after all I don't think. So. Okay. I just think max max is the towns at fighter max is still twenty seven years old. I think give max I mean, how long has done for you've been fighting one fifty five we spoke about at this week's two thousand fifteen you give max next four years turn into a lightweight. I'm sure this would be. A different story inviting destined for you. But again, I just think we are so dismissive of it sometimes and hey, certain guys can do it. We say Conor McGregor. Did it? He went from one forty five to one fifty five no problems, not Eddie Alvarez. But I think max Holloway was going up against the guy who was on a tear guy with a lot of confidence guy who was very familiar with one hundred and fifty five pounds. And when we we're talking about the best of the best fighting each division, those tiny little nuances matter, and I'm not saying, that's the only reason doesn't poor won the fight tonight. But I do think it was a major advantage in his favor. This feels like a true Cinderella story in the sense that you have a guy just Emporia who debuted in the UFC on short notice. It was supposed to be Josh crispy against Josie Aldo UFC one twenty five for the featherweight title, the very first featherweight title of CSV, although gets hurt Porges slides in ruins those plans against Grimsby beats crispy and then it takes him. Twenty two fights the second longest streak ever for a fighter to get a UFC just behind Michael bisbee. Twenty six and he's had so many ups and downs in his career. And it felt like if he didn't win this fight. It might never come his way. Right. You had to win this one. And so it's hard not to be happy for the guy right now. Oh, it's impossible not to be happy for them. Because on top of that. He's also just a great guy selling his fight kid for charity. He's a family, man. The way he treats his daughter calls, her sweet peas, very likable guy. You say ups and downs. I don't even know if I would really necessarily say that there weren't that many downs, you know, throughout that whole process. He lost what three fights in the UFC has just in opera. Tune rhymes. That's how that's how cruel the sport can be. Sometimes you can win whatever his record is now seventeen and three or whatever it is. But those three losses were enough to prolong his his his title run for eight years. I mean that that is just the sport in which we're dealing with and the division in which we're dealing with that division is so stack and everything that's going on with Conor McGregor and could be met off. Just it prolonged it for dozen, Portia. But he hung in there. And isn't it fitting the? The for months, maybe even the last year has hashtag has been paid in full in full paid for it was that was very appropriate tonight. I some earlier this evening as he was walking out. He said twenty five minutes to make life fair. And I think he quote, yes, I think he accomplished that mission. You know, I remember back a UC one seventy eight the build up to that fight. He was so confident that he would end the hype train that is Connor he lost in very quick and devastating passionate. And I was wondering at the time if that would break him, and I know that was a long time ago and he also stumbled against Michael Johnson. So so like, you said not that many losses. But it always felt like they were devastating losses and on the cusp. He was on the cusp of doing something great. He finally got over that hump which reminds me of Michael being story. Right. Maybe he was always going to be the bridesmaid. Now, not the official champion. I was talking to coach Mike Brown in the back. And he said, you know, I never really liked those intervals until my guys started the win of Colby Covington. Now, he's all about them, so bad feels like a great moment. Even though it's an interim title. Well, let me ask you this. Because we've. Very complimentary of support as we should. Yeah. And guy has been through a lot, and he's persevered and this probably took a lot longer than it should have. But here he is. And you saw happy was standing at this desk after the fights. And there were a couple of times where you just patted the tells it means so much to does he have a chance against remembering I think he does obviously that fight is five months away. So it's not a lot of time. I think to prepare for someone to get over this little banged up. I think he does he looked really good in this fight. Obviously, I would favor. Habib I think he'll be was one of the best fighters in the world most dominant fighters in the world, he's undefeated in the he'll be fighting in very pro Habib country, he'll be in the United Arab Emirates and Dhabi. That's the plan as of right now. Interesting, by the way, did you see Habib's tweet about this than saying that he didn't agree with the scorecards? He thought it was a lot closer than forty nine forty six. Yes. But he did say see you in September. So it doesn't seem like there's any footsie going on, of course, like clockwork. There's kinda McGregor. Tweeting and saying now, you can get your fight against Nate which was bizarre curves tweeting before the event say, hey, everybody, watched these two gentlemen, who I defeated previously in my career that that's doing this amazing gimmick now where after every UFC fight. He somehow finds a way to insert himself into the narrative that is kind of for you that is what he's been foresee any scenario in which Dustin doesn't fight. Habib nex. I really don't especially if I've already come out and said see September. I think you know, we make a lot of people make fun of these interim titles. They say they don't like them. What do they have? Well, this is the value that they need to have right now. And we've seen it just recently even with with Colby Covington. It doesn't always mean anything. But I do think that I smoked Dana white after after the event, and he said, yeah, could be is. He's not a guy to turn down fights. He still has a few issues with his teammates being suspended as we all know. But I think as far as an opponent. He's open to it. And that is that I am as a painting who would you favor, you got a favorite hobby. But, you know, have a tough match for anybody. But doesn't. The experience the well roundedness power that he showed in this fight. I mean that is the type of power to change your fight even though he didn't get a Finnish over max Holloway. You know, I think that was a testament to how how how durable next Holloway can be this way he has the power to to stop hubby's progression. And then we see what happens in so max hallways. Thirteen fight winning streak is snap. Now the tie for the current longest winning streak in the is he'll be remarkable in Tony Ferguson. You still kind of feel for Ferguson and all of this, right? Because he was once the interim champion LA weight loss the belt after he tripped over that now infamous cord, but we understand that he's not really available right now. He's going through some personal tonight as well. He did. Yes. I asked Dana white. You know, what are you gonna what do you what do you need to see out of this guy? I mean, even as a promoter. What do you need to know about him in order to feel comfortable booking defied? And I don't think Dana white even knows that answer. I think that that's conversations and have to take place between the US and the promotion Antoni Ferguson, but I do think. It's it's great. And it's positive to see the Tony Ferguson is wanting to be engaged and he's tweeting about fights. And I hope he's close to that. On the flip side. Let me ask you about max quickly here. Would it be fair to say next? It's going to be at one forty five. I think that's fair to say, you know, again, I wouldn't mind if he stayed at one fifty five, and I don't think he would have any problems being one fifty five he would find a home there. He would he would he would find that that comfort zone where he needs his body to be. But he's got that Bill, and it's just drop the belt and say, okay, now, I'm going to focus on one fifty five when you have that belt, and you know, you can make that way which has always said I can make that way. Then. Yeah. Inches in moving down. It's going to be interesting to see who emerges as his next opponent. I think of Alex off ski wins on me eleven he should be next although wins, I don't wanna see that fight for third time. So it's gonna be interesting to see. I mean, there's a lot of pressure on Wilkin off key to get by Albert because I think it's hard to argue against them. But Edgar though, don't you think? Not a lot of momentum. There there's not. But technically he is his ranked that higher supposed to happen before. I think max, that's that's a fight that he wants. He sure he understands what what Frankie represents Frankie's not getting any younger. I'm that's what my guess would be. It will see Franken. Okay. Now. Let's talk about the Komeito vent. What a fight right now. It is April fourteenth. I think that's the fight of the year as of right? This moment every tough top. Yeah. What an incredible performance from both Israel to Sonya and Kelvin Gasol Indian out of sign your winds via decision ask you the same question that asked you at the top. Did you score for his Yati Sonya? Yes. I did. I had tied to rounds. Yup. Going into the fifth and what it is your assigned to do. He didn't just win the fifth. He went out and knocked him down three times had had the referee stopped the fight. I wouldn't have had I would have been like cool. Yeah, I'm good with that stoppage. And any I think that that's the type of around that really starts to define your career. You know, where you your back against the wall? Title fight against veteran. He's put you into deep waters. You have not been in yet in them. And they and you responded with a ten eight round that was very telling a big statement Israel Tucson, you thought it came down to the third round in that one. I was actually watching a chill chill scored it for Kelvin other. They're good friends, and maybe a little biased his corridors with a grain of salt. And then he scored a ten eight in the fifth which would lead to a draw. I had the third for out of sinus. I agree with your scorecard to to going into the fifth and what a performance in the fifth round for modest Sonya. And you saw him afterwards very banged up. But now all of a sudden, it leads to this monumental fight right in Australia. Probably New Zealand versus Shelia and Whitaker has ties. He's born in New Zealand as well. Of course now is route assign yet is second African-born champion a month after Hussein did it, and that's the mazing for that country as well. But this just feels like if they couldn't if they would have told us in the back in a secret corner of this arena who. They were kind of hoping I feel like it was his route assign it like there is something special about this guy. It's never really too hard to say who would you have one to win. You know, you can always kind of kind of play that game. And you can get to an answer doesn't always work out that way, this one is worked out, you know, and they wanted in February. I think they wanted that moment where I could be Anderson Silva, Robert Whitaker could get past Kelvin Gasol. And then you bring out Sonya into the octagon you'd have those two square off. And it didn't happen due to crazy unforeseen circumstances. Right. But I think we're back there now. And I I definitely think that this is the type of fight that can be a spectacle can be at a stadium and could be that type of fight that even here in the states. I think we'll give some people pause and the wanna take notice and pay attention to this fight every time I do interviews with radio stations and some random market, right? There was asked me who's the next star? It feels like we found that guy. The first guy would say right now would be at assign. Yeah. Like Habib has already arrived. But as far as the next guy, it feels like gotta sign Sonya. That guy. Right. Yeah. I think that there are some some guys that we would have said that about that. Hey, this has a potential to be the next Brian Ortega was sort of on that mold undefeated it a big fight coming up against max Holloway. You know, he was actually favored to win that fight. We saw what happened there Darren till was that guy for a little bit now until obviously to fight losing streak legacy. How he bounces back Israel at a Sonya was one round away from being the next guy. That was like, hey, he was going to be the guy, but he didn't quite get it done. He lost the veteran, but he stepped up and had that amazing fifth round. And that's why I I can't put enough emphasis on how impressed. I am that fifth round that is the type around where you just think about everything that's at stake. All the chips are on the table. And the fact that killing gasoline is just the guy that you cannot finish. And he had that type of performance in the last five minutes. Nice to see Whitaker merge on social media. He's not that type. But he did say, congratulations. I'll see you later on this summer right now who do favor in that matchup. I think still still would occur but Israel's crossing over into that territory where you don't wanna bet against. Yeah. He's now seventeen as an inmate professional. He is six in essentially, what fourteen months, it's an incredible run. And he's now engaged in this back and forth. Not only with Whittaker John Jones as well. He was asked that the post by press conference about Jones's tweets, and he said I'll deal with that later tonight. It's about covenant but Jones continues to tweet about it. And you see that clearly his interest is piqued. I don't know if he's just trying to get some headlines, but something's going on here. I think it's great for Israel to Sonya to be tweeting about John Jones. Don't think it's great for him to sign a contract by John Jones anytime right now. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go with Whittaker. I all right. Any other performance that we should talk about we had Khalil Roundtree with a nice win. There were some other performances throughout the undercard. I was under Pantoja with a nice win any other one that you wanna highlight before we say goodbye, man. I am having such a hard time. Even remembering the rest of the car. What happened in the co main and main our boy, Boston Salman did not do not fair to well that was very quick finish. Honestly algebra ban. Very upset as judge. Didn't give him gave it to grant. Who spoke to us fired up. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, saying that he was going into a contract negotiation after this. I felt that he was pushing the pace, and he he felt like the judges robbed him not only half of his paycheck tonight, but of his his contract negotiations. I mean, we've heard that story before that's how the sport works. And he was he was very motion all about it. And how about Nikita krill of getting revenge? Five years later with zone submission against open Saint Preuss. Oh, fun. And by the way, kudos to this crowd. I mean chanting for poor H&_R for Holloway chanting for out of sending. None of those people are from Atlanta. Right. And they were chanting. They were loud they came here early. It was very impressive crowd when they were last here for UC to a one it wasn't a very loud and boisterous crowd. I thought tonight. The Atlanta crowd really was impressive. And you see by the way giving fight of the night awards to both the combing and may know performance of the night award. So they give the fight of the night award to gas lemon at a Sonya and into poor you and Holloway. I thought that was the right calls. Well, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. On any given night. We'd be talking about that main event is potentially fight of the year. But it just happened to have it on the other fight of the year. All right. Great stuff. My man pleasure. As always thanks all of you for watching our coverage all week long from here in Atlanta's you can tell behind us. They're breaking things down. So it is time to go. Thank you so much. Congratulations. Emporia -gratulations is route assign. Yeah, we'll see next week for a whole lot more things to talk about. I'm sure crazy world of making night from. 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UF284: Paige VanZant, Brett Okamoto, and Khalil Rountree, Jr.

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

1:16:02 hr | 2 years ago

UF284: Paige VanZant, Brett Okamoto, and Khalil Rountree, Jr.

"Arose. This away. The is. Tennessee. The garden. This is you have see on filtered. And now your hosts, Jim Norton and bad, Sarah. See I opened that up before before we got on air. So you didn't hear the click of my soda my healthy soda. But the fact that I'm bringing it up. I should have said it on air 'cause I'm wasting. Well, I can I know that you. Yes. Phoenix. Contemplate Louise listens thought over ready. But then the show even thought he wasn't a pretended the music started and stopped right now. Hey, everybody. It's Matt Serra, you know, aka the Tara back in today day aka in the vibe universe in races, 'camorra savage. Oh, yeah. And it's my buddy Phoenix Khanna valley. I just feel I need to do that. And I'm just goes. I don't know, man. I was wanting to get the fucking crazy morning for me. Why the train gets me a gets me basically the same time. It always does. But because fuck in my knees kind of fucked up, so I'm walking kind of weird I walked like a little bit like Kaiser SOS Aki. What does that again, the usual suspects usual suspects? So, you know, sometimes I take a break over there. By by Macy's on. What is it be six between thirty fourth and fifth. Aries sit down you could chill. Get some sun. You know, like over over the notes on the show fantastic do on the show. I get up on speed on everything or I just go look at shit on YouTube. I the point is this that sounds more the point is I like to enjoy myself. All right, listen, we've got a jampacked show. We do. We interviews coming out. Well, we got patrons and calling in soon. Then we got Brett Akimoto, then we got a Khalil Roundtree calling in. Yes. This is exciting. You look at me like some of the name. No, no. That s at bright Okamoto. I'll Komodo is actually one of my favorite journalists so excited talk to him, and he's a professional. So I'm not going to start off by going Okamoto Okamoto promoting a motive. Listen, what name do that through the guy who just disgusted? Nah. Respect for like the opening. It's almost like a stand up comedian that goes out on the stage. And he's a well known. Do they'll start give give him the respect? I heard Jerry Seinfeld. Say that before like initially because he's Jerry Seinfeld. I think it was Seinfeld aside that but that they'll they'll give him some maybe all laugh or two on the house. And then it's like, hey, man. You got to earn it. I'm going to see him on Thursday book that I bring that up because the reason they will beginning to be that guy that you know, he, you know, these shocked the world myself, but they could they could give me any comedy all the favor. Whatever you want. Any anything they want first American to get a black shocked a lot of people. But that's not the point. But but then that only goes so far, then a million guys. Fucking silly silly is good. I know silly makes a fun Phillies better than being a stiff sure. Five star a five star hotel, but motherfuckers page. Can get into well let live in. When I was away. I thought about it lasts episode. The show is. Tell you. We see you came to my job is nice. Yes. So it's gonna be on upcoming. You know, looking for a fight. So I told you we went to always hold on. We got we got patron Saint on the phone, and she is this page high. Beijing it's mad, Sarah and Phoenix gonna valley. How are you? I'm going great horror. You guys. Good doing good. Listen. I'm so excited have you ever? But first of all able to talk. We're all you in the call. Where am I we're on the air? We announced that. No, no that's perfect. Just hanging out in here in Arizona for the global show. Oh, great. So you commentating, right. Yeah. Me, and Sean we locked so it's a super exciting especially to get to commentators. When I first time alongside somebody who is so serious. And so, you know, so good at it. It's going to be really exciting. So how did have the gig come along for you? Something that my managers, you know, pretty much. I don't know the full details about how things come to me everything. My manners brings me. And they say, hey, are you interested, and I jumped out at, you know, this is something that's so exciting to be able to showcase, you know, my MA knowledge, you know, behind the mic, it's something I've always wanted to do and kinda direction. I hope my ever make career continues to go when I when I do decide to retire. But something I think is still awesome because you can do this at the same time, you know, concurrently with having a successful career leaning Daniel Cormet automatic dominant cruise Paul fell they're all these guys who have had so much success in the cage, and then also gets the commentating role. So I do it as well. There's not enough women that do it. So it's really cool to see you, and how do you plan to swim practice like when you're gonna when you're gonna accommodate. Oh, gosh. You know, the one thing that I did do my husband restoring kind. I talked to what was going on. And I watch him far every day. And so just kind of talking through what was going on and compensating for him and his opponent. And then just getting advice from those around me. You know, I contacted Laura saying go for some advice chill son, and my teammate, I was able to talk to you just the people here and there, and of course, just kind of getting advice from Sean 'cause he be the person that's next to before the whole Ryan trying to be as prepared as I can. That's awesome. Well, I think it's exciting. I think it's awesome. That you're so excited about it. But let me tell you what I was excited about. And we were just watching before we got on the phone with. You was your last fight. I should've started would saying congrats on an amazing amazing fight with Rachel ostrich Ostra, pasta, Thiessen ostrich baskets. Listen, Rachel so dangerous. And she that was a great fight. And I am such a such a ju jitsu man at heart. And I just love the chess match down there. I want to know how much jitsu are you doing because you I will always had a killer instinct, and it's one thing when you're a hammer, but Rachel was doing so many things right? And she was putting you in very very bad positions where one wrong move, and you're in a worse position. And you had to be at you had to be calm. And there's I want to know how much are you working jitsu? I'm working at time, you know, my head coach Fabio Schoener alleged, and then that you get to world, and I'm training out of Gracie academy right now. And it's just been, you know, huge huge huge focus of my career to long foods such amazing people. I am lowly. And all I feel like I've always had that tough thing for we have been talking my whole life. But now, I am finally Ron rounding out as a fighter where I have the technique to back. It all up early in my career. I beat people who were better than me. Just because I'm tougher. And now the toughness will forever stay with me. But the technique is it's getting you know, up to par with everything. And you know, I see all my injuries as the worst setbacks as far as my time line for fighting. But they've given me the mind the time this back and really look at my vehemence IRA. I have to slow down. Let me work on just technique. Let me let me slow everything down. So that's kind of but over and doing. From her own little arm injury. But it was awesome to come off are such an amazing win over Rachel, then get a Sports Illustrated now get this commentating role. And I still hoping to fight the summer. What was so impressive with that fight is not only the U being calm. You know, weathering that storm that Rachel was was putting on you is that you see a moment in that fight. And you never never let Rachel gain any ground back. And that's what I noticed it. And that's what I thought was so awesome. You were always a step ahead. Once you did the failed back take which I mean, listen the old saying and a lot of people could argue it, and there's there's different cases where you won't do it, but hooks I choke second trying to take the back, especially anime. It's so slippery. You know, so when she lost that back take you just were just honor. That's when the technique really showed. That's what I'm like. Oh, man. There's a lot of. Times a person will get on top just to lose their position for going for a submission too soon. So it showed that you were doing that in the gym, you you were maintaining the top position and insecure in the position down getting the and submission sites. Are one in those transitions to and like you would just calm and comfortable through each and every transition, and I think that people misread toughness. They think toughness is all agro and the calmness is really what what secure that arm bar few. It really, you know, Rachel, I feel like she had the perfect game to beat me. She really did. She studied me. Well, I I'm still working on getting better off of my back. But once I get on top of people about four, I capitalize. I have a really really good top game. And that's something that I've always had a lot of success with. And then the other thing the coaches tell me, I am one thing they don't ever have to worry about is making punched in the face one of those girls and anybody in that him, you know, you'll see men get punched in the face. They get really mad and they come forward their game a little sloppy. They. Come forward with aggression. I get hit in the face. And that doesn't it doesn't faze me. It's it's something that you know, that toughness comes in where you can take damage now has no one Donnie whatsoever. And being able to capitalize afterwards is kind of where I shine. So I'm so happy with my performance. Of course, I'm picking it apart. And I do feel like I had some rearrests coming off of my two arms injuries. But I'm so excited that you know, I'm going to be able to keep the momentum up. Even even though I hurt my arm. One more time. I'm so the fight relatively soon. You know, it's funny because as a guy that just loves watching the fights the one thing, I always associated you with is being very game, and very very tough. So now, the thing is as a fighter I recognize that. But yet a lotta times you get some h-have because of the way you look how how how how weird is that? I if you did. Go ahead. I know you probably get this a lot. But but you should have more props for the toughness, if you looked differently page people would wouldn't say, oh, man. How pretty they would say y'all shit. She's a pit bull and they do that. Anyway, like, I'll do that Phoenix while now, but I'm talking about some other chicks girls. Exactly. And you know, it is frustrating. What I understood it beginning of my career when I was eighteen nineteen years old, and I was a friend new fresh face coming out being cheerleader in high school. I understood it then. But the fact that it's still a topic dot consistently gets brought up by I guess -siders. You know, I've been in USC for five years. Now, I have five minutes five wins in the bay four them by either submission or knockout. So my records should prove it. So thank you. And that's something actually payment Martin Sweden. And I was like no you have to even go through and remind myself like, you know, hate but come on. Let's look past my face a little bit. They're looking at my record. It pisses me off too because it's like saying Brad Pitt isn't a good actor just because he's a good looking. You know what? I mean. It's yeah. It's it's really frustrating. I think like a lot of people take that sort of thing for granted. But what I will give you a lot more props for is you don't like being bullied. You didn't like being believe that got you into martial arts. In the first list. You don't lie being bullied on social media. You'll clap back. I do and not a minute. I've been doing lately, you know, it was one in the beginning of my career holding my talion letting my my career proven south and had just proving you know, that I I had the toughness and now it's I done that. So I've you get your stand up for myself and say, listen, I have this shocker could I've done anything, and I've had a lot of success because of my epic ability not because of a specific way that I look in. I'm gonna continue to, you know, have those hurls I think that there's certain stigmas that will stick with you the rest of your life. And I think maybe that'll be mine, but I'm just going to continue to find. Because this is what I love. And and maybe does it give me the upper hand everyone goes in there and can't wait to visit big way about you in Philly. Get punched in the face. Yeah. Did you watch the the flights this weekend? Oh, gosh. Did we were paying those overs? Barboza? We're able to watch them. No, we were training. So we still bad. There was those cards there. So there was a warm. We wanted to watch matrix Johnson. So there's a lot going on. Will you got called out? I don't know if you heard about it. Now, I you know, I hate called out like every day. So. Together. Marina morosely called you out after her fight with Sabina Maza. I mean, it it's a I get it in a lot of people are gonna call you out because they know that there you have the factor, and it's a popularity thing and fighting you ups a name, you know, let's kind of the way it goes. Do you? Do you find that that's possibly the reason? Why people call you out a lot? One hundred percent. You know, you have to look I understand. I do have a a bigger fan base in Mosa champions in the UFC and dot something. It's it's the smart thing to call me out. It really is. I know that when when you fight me, you gain five hundred thousand dollars, and it's something that it's ultimately a good career move. Whether you win or lose, you still get the notoriety of a huge fan base watching not fight. So I've ever I don't think any events by. I understand. It's the reason people call out Conor McGregor. It's you know, you know, everyone's going to be watching him. Yeah. Same type of thing. Hooge you will thoughts on a couple of fights. Now. Now that you now that you're an analyst. Yes, the coming. Interim title fight for the max Holloway, Dustin, poor EA, tell me what you think of that. What do what do you think about that fight? Doing different mindset going into this line. I, you know, mine is when you talk about all these different interim titles, and you do for you, forget champions are. And if you're gonna keep having all these interim belts, I think they need to open up more weight classes was I don't I don't think we need more way crosses. But you might as well with all these interim titles. So let's let's talk about let's kind of flex your commentary muscles. What about gasoline versus outta Sonya? We move on with second. So we who'd you think's gonna win that fight though. Did you even I know you don't like by? Did she say, no, no, no, no, no. Can you sell? I'm gonna play the fence on not one. Okay, doesn't come. Committee like gotta pay me. I studied the fighters on this card coming up. No, we'll talk about a son. Yeah. And and asked down from is a really exciting by and I think that tells me out some is definitely going to be the biggest test dialectically for outta Sonia. I think I think when he thought Anderson Silva it really displayed his weaknesses when you put two people with the same style in next to each other. The Dow kinda cancel this other out like leading to wrestle in a cage, they're probably not going to wrestle, and you can see they're striking open up and kind of see their weaknesses. So I think that one display then going into it. I kind of have the upper edge going to Kelvin. Wow. Okay. And Shevchenko versa. Is I which is tons of fun, which I think over his I yeah. Yeah. Going on who my weight class? I'm a lot of eyes on this fight. But the way I saw Shevchenko just dominate your on somebody who I thought one of the bus striking out of any single UFC fighter. Ship Shankar chef tank. Out struck her. And I don't think they're going to be a lot of people who can withstand that storm especially in the women's fly with division right now just got is known for her boxing. And I feel like if you put a boxer an extra kickboxer the kickboxer have more weapons and typically going to go that direction shift Schenk os, just so efficient with her movement. It looks like she barely moved. But she's like out of the way. It's she's incredible to watch too. It's incredible. Yeah. Her timing is perfect the way that she's able to pull on punches and then immediately attacked back or timing is just something that's going to take a long time for people to get used to what do you think of the kind of mcgregor's current situation, she suppose allow? Vista Gatien of sexual assault claims being reported in the New York Times. I mean, what is all this? Oh dot okay. So I'll talk fired. I don't drama that he's got some drama going on. He'd get your on his own. We just like to hear your thoughts though. This is you I wanted to get you comfortable only rough questions coming at you. I have on before you let we let you go, right? 'cause I'm I would be kinda shy person. I think it's awesome. That you did this Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition health fund was not like what did you? Learn about yourself. What did you get from that experience? Oh my God. You know, it was kind of a nerve racking thing, especially because you know, I constantly get the questions my fighting career. If I'm just like, you know, just a pretty face and they've been not. So it's like constantly trying to prove my toughness, and knowing not this would take away from you know, my tough side. But it wasn't opportunity for me to show off. You know, how hard I've worked in the gym how you know, just to be able to be a strong confident woman, and I've never done anything eggs. I would say promiscuous, and I was kind of waiting. I I didn't want to show that side of me unless it was something that was in a tasteful manner, and for notable magazine or not. Company, and I feel like this is my perfect opportunity. So it was so much fun to be shooting in Mexico. We only got to be there for like thirty hours. But the shoot was awesome. I was able to take my husband and a little bit of time on the beach. And I just I'm so excited. The magazine comes out in may. And I can't wait to see because it was just a really really talented team that we worked by feel like freeing to actually just be like, hey, I usually show. This warriors side of me. Now, I get this show this like software more feminine side. To know it totally wasn't especially coming from dance background. When I was when I was a dancer, it was that more feminine side. So it's able to touch on that again, and isn't part of me that will never go away. I'm always going to be really girly. If I feel like I Finally I got to do it a little bit on the stars. And then I had a few like two years of a break. And then it got to be really girly again on for Sports Illustrated swimsuit. So I think we're gonna love the magazine. I can't wait to see it. So well page. Thank you so much for talking to us. You you so much fun. I'm happy for all your success. Let's give a pump a proper promotion promote what's going on page will make her lead caller commentary debut for m one global on Thursday, which is today April fourth, and you can see this on UFC fight pass and along Sean Wheelock who I've worked with before. So best of luck page. You are awesome. And we will pick up that Sports Illustrated as well. Thank you. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much. I. By by the pages so much fun. You want hear something? So funny. Can I tell you behind the scenes stuff? Yeah. Only because. It's minor. A couple of those were much fun that listen, I got I gotta be honest with audience like what did you what they don't like before? I forget interviewing skills. No, listen to me when you go in on stuff. Stuff. So then what I do is I'll go to my notes because Chris Christie producer does a lot of fucking legwork the nose 'cause they if proof, but you know, when I shouldn't do when I'm talking to patriots plan. Go to Brett. Oh, you went to you went to bread Okamoto's questions. Oh, fuck hold on of land. Drink drink water. I went to Brent Brett Akimoto's. See you like we journalists for years VN painting autism. Honestly that shit deep it. Thank God the amount Dustin question. I was like, okay. I remember for. Dr. But that listen, I'm not hold on a second. Hold on one second because I would never I just wanna make sure. Yeah. What what do you make? All right. Hold on. Hold on a second. Hold on one. Second put you away Chris to produce. Suggestion ruin hold on Phoenix. I gotta show you something. Go ahead. Listen to your suggestion. But I'm looking at fluffy. And I look I want to show you something. What what do you over this? We'll see this is the age. Yes. That's right. When I'm John H I wrote it hold on here. No. No. No, no. Can I show? You guys something I wanted to you know, how fucked up. Phoenix. No one would've known look in your things here and find your page van Zandt notes. I know I took it. I what's over there. This is mine, not yours. Let me show you this. You're going to get this. Let me let me fix. This was here that was in front of you want. I don't know you took their fucking didn't take you took my fucking paper and made I'm up. Listen to me you first of all we're friends. Yes, sir. Friends. I wanna Tak Univer friends. How long have been friends will very nice to the people though all history. The point is this you fucking talk, my paper, all my and I'm asking so look at Chris sound like a movie right now smiling compared to you know, want he's smiling vedic. Yes, he's a Miley. Because one he knows that. I'm not me and him are going at it. Now, it's not his getting it today. It's not his house is going. I gotta get it at least one right? But the thing is this in a year and a half. I if you look at my babies. This look now you can't put yours right there. That's not where it was though law. Look it was here Phoenix. It was. So you might have went, and that was messy so might have been on the border. You might have went beep. They ran. Call. I don't listen. I do know that the split is. We're friends regardless if we leave you saying agree to disagree. Do you ever go pro on? That's way. That's another reason why we should be on taunt live on fucking video. So people could see us because this is listen, I've been bamboozled, and I look like a fool if of my UFC. I didn't feel good laughing at me, they suck. Now. They don't listen, no one. Then I listen to have known because look at question to everybody that works for the company that you know, has an opinion on the matter that doesn't shoot I like. He came at me, like a mob boss like who's frequent papers this show paper. Whoa. Kuboto go, boating. Komodo who Komodo Aqaba listed? Don't embarrass me in front of this guy. Are we on the phone of not going to comment on you? We got a limited time for him. What does he called? I'm holding my paper. Just I'm going to write my name on. No me. I want to ask him. What that is. Thank goodness. I go off script Sony hersal. Why I wanted to ask the most important thing is I wanted this page about her fight with Rachel and I love the race ostrich. Asteroid but don't fuck around. Twenty. I'm looking that's no so funny about what I'm looking on. I'm gonna take this array Chris Zinaida, don't ask about his. Looking like a fucking weirdo at the goddamn able. Yeah. Yeah. Because I never looked up. I'm like where is reach was last name. So I can look at it. And it was nowhere to be seen. You know, why I don't know some little sticky fingers Phoenix over here. Knob nave now, Ben what what I heard you say the max, Portia question. I was like that's weird. But then Connor when I was like this. You know? What's funny? What's also, sweet amazing? The crista producer comes over. And he looks at the breadth Amelie and he put his finger to it. And he like did like three little taps like this. Angry principal when he put a little kid looking at his cell phone. He goes over his point that so then I look up I'm gonna I'm like trouble England. My paper for the loss of page. Venzin brought him back. Phoenix. What's even more than you? Did that whole literary without the preparedness? Here's the couple of things you wrote down, of course, bread Akimoto while Komodo Kubota Sakamoto upset about is. Let's get a hold up in my head all day, we're calling but right now take a really really really quick. Yeah. Thank you for. All right, Phoenix. We owe back, and we're can be calling grit. Komodo saying it all out to call. I want to see how when I discover MMA ask them, you know, ask them. Hello is this Brett KOMO Okamoto. My senior ranks Okamoto, Brad. I'm sorry. I started off like just horrible already. I'm not a professional league. This is Matt Sarah while you're you're talking Matt Serra, and my buddy Phoenix carnival. A hey brat. On. Hey, guys Bradman. Let me ask you. I got a couple of times day to ease into the the one. I wanted to ask him. Right now or we go, right? And we don't we joke. Royden right into the deep end. Listen. I m m may Brett let me ask you that. I'll tell you. What man the first card I ever covered lies. Matt was USC ninety eight you were there. Oh, shit lose that one. Which one that was your rematch with that was your remeasured man, Houston, Las Vegas nine. I only fought him once and I thought sorry. That's all right. I think I I think there are two fights because you guys got into it so many times other than that. And unfortunately with that fight I had to be we supposed to fight once and I hurt my back. So the one fight my whole career Brett that I actually had to pull out of the fight with the guy. I talked most shit about it was it was horrendous. But anyway, but that was that was that was your first fight that you are covered. Yeah. 'cause I so I go in Colorado state for sports journalism. I was like I was just one of kids that what I wanted to do at an early age. I wanted to be sports journalist when I was like like ten years old. You know? So I went to I went to school for it. And then there was a paper in Las Vegas that offered me a job. So I went out there. And and I was I was just doing the newspaper thing I was covering a lot of high school basketball is covering a lot of high school football in Vegas. You kinda get to cover a little bit of everything I covered some some rodeo, I covered the full ride covered some NBA summer league games. So there's a little bit of everything and then you'll see ninety eight came around. And honestly, man, I I I was aware of the UFC. I watched a couple of fights. But I really wasn't like this. This diehard fights at but living at Vegas. I covered a little bit of boxing. And they were like, why don't you go cover UFC ninety eight. And so that was with that. And that was that was the ODA Leona Machida knocking our shot. Evidence for light heavyweight title. And I was like, man. This is exciting. I could get in Dallas area out. Yeah. The scary knockout, it was it was a fun sport to cover and it was right around the time. If you've seen one hundred so the sport was was really kind of you know, blowing up at the time and the newspaper was like cool. Yeah. You can start covering it fulltime. That's when I started covering full-time. And that was that's pretty much all I've done since. Then it's it's really interesting in kind of awesome to talk to you. Because we're getting a different perspective that the fans I think you can kind of let people know how difficult or how intricate being a journalist is just in in sports in general. And what journalism there's times where certain stories are opinion pieces and certain stories are factual pieces. So I was wondering when do you use? What do you make an opinion piece in when are you just sticking straight to the facts? Yet. That's an interesting question because for a long time idiots peon. I was the only person who is really putting together content on MA. So I kind of had to do both. I mean, I would I would say the thing about that. Is you have to do one or the other, and you have to make it very clear, which one you're doing, you know, you can't you can't blur the two. So, you know, I I tend to kind of stay on on the straight and narrow that's just that's just more my style. I like to just present people to fax, and you know, let them come to the conclusions themselves. But I mean, I have opinions, of course, I mean cover the sport for a while now. And so, yeah, I if I have an opinion on all right at any grade about, you know, not really forcing me to if I don't have an opinion on something like well, hey, make one up because because we need something right now. But they're also great about, you know, them saying, hey, if if you have an opinion. Yeah, we'll take your, you know, go ahead and write it for. So I kind of the world. I mean, I again, I'll credit ESPN two that that they're just open to have me. They want me to write whatever is the best. Intent you know. And so if that's news. All right that and have an opinion on something something strong. Then I'll do that as well. I I asked you this question because you are actually one of my favorite journalists. And I I'm happy to have you on and one of the reasons you are my favorite is. Because when I go to you or I see something with your name on it. I know that it's coming from a reputable source so just so that the fans understand journalist Bill. It's true. I it's you and Mark Roe Monday. Are the two people that I'm like, yeah. I trust that they did work here. Can you talk a little bit about the work? You put in to get a source before you even write anything down and send it out. Yeah. I mean, it's not it's not rocket science. It's really just bugging people. I I I worked from from home, which is nice. I I get out of bed. I walk across the hallway and office. So you're right in a lot of the stuff in your pajamas. I try to put on like actual close. It makes me feel more awake. If they feel more professional, even though the only person that sees me at any time is like my dog. But I usually try to put on pants. It just makes me feel more productive. Today, the my home. But yeah, it's it's it's it's fun though. It's it's it's fun calling people, and it's fun talking to them about the fight. It's fun talking about what they want what the promotion wants, whether it's, you know, your seatbelts or or anybody else and the the way if I comes together is actually pretty interesting time. Sometimes it's not sometimes it's easy as you know, two guys are it makes sense to match make them that they're both healthy. They both wanna fight us earn date. Okay. Cool. We have a fight, you know. But other times, there's there's, you know, people want certain things, or you know, they have a contract negotiation coming up they have a certain amount of number fights on their deal. And there's conversations, you know. And there's there's there's give and take, and there's you know, what date is gonna land. And that's that's always interesting, and it's fun to talk to guys about what what kind of fights are coming together before they actually come together. So I enjoy it. You know, hopefully, every all the people I'm calling enjoyed talking to me because like I said at the beginning, it's just a lot of of bugging people, and and call in the same people over and over again, but you know, we all. We all are involved in the sport. 'cause we love it. And 'cause we kind of obsessed with it. So it I watch out we'll speak in a fun fights. Did you? I'm sure the ball. Bozo. Engaging fight. I'm sure you enjoyed that. One. Man. You know, what I did on that one? Was you know, this year I've been watching a lot of the flights from the back. Unfortunately, I've been stuck in the tunnel. Which is which is great because I get to interview these guys on camera, and it goes up onto the ESPN's youtuber sportscenter or wherever it's going, you know, and and it's it's it's really like an enjoyable part of my job is to is to talk to guys and girls, right? When they come out of the actor gone. I that's where I wanna be. But it's it's the the cutback on that is that I'm not I'm not in the arena anymore. You know, so occasionally this year, I've snuck out in the arena a couple of times at one time. I did it for sure was when we were in London. And I wanted to see there until walkout because he walked out to that song and the crowd and everything I was like I can't be stuck in the tunnel for that. And then in this last one combing van wrapped up real quickly. Jack Hermansson was with healthy and had to go through a lot of medicals. He just came straight to me. I talked to him. And I was like dude I'm going to go out, and I'm gonna I'm gonna actually watch gateway Barboza from the arena. So it's funny that you. Bring that one up because that's one of the few prices Europe, actually, snuck into the arena and watched it like with my own eyes. Instead of watching it on TV in the back, and it was amazing. And it was one fight it really lived up to the hype. And then some I mean, I expected a war. I I was picking a gateway by fourth round stoppage. And the way the way it went was just so so violent in such a fun fun battle wide less than we gotta rethink a little bit about what we what we think about gay CI. Right. I mean, I was with you. I actually predicted fourth round too. I picked you. But I thought it might take a little while. But hey, man last two fights he's he's put them out in the first round. I think he's making these tiny little adjustments the in Trevor Wittman, you know, gone in the lab, and then the German at talked about, well, you know, what can we do just lightly better? I mean, you were in those fights with with Eddie Alvarez and with Dustin poor guy, but let's learn from him a little bit. And man in the last two fights, it seems like he learned a little bit. From those fights. Michelle Waterson is also really captivating to watch. Did you get to watch that live? Or did you have to stay on on watch it on TV? That one I watched from a screen in the back, but great performance by her. And then that's what I'm that's what I'm talking about is such a joy that like be back there and have someone like Michelle Waterson. Come back, you know, fresh off of the win and you get to talk to her you get to like get her. Her raw thoughts about it. And she's still in the moment and talking about how Scranton the Carolina in the elevator at the hotel before they came to the arena. Like, she was she was like getting in the mood. She's getting the mindset in the elevator. And it took her up instead of down. You know, how that happens sometimes? And then when it got there the doors open caroliina were standing there waiting to to take the elevator down and laugh about it. They're like, you know, what are the odds of this happening? Yeah. I watched that one for the back, but she gave me a good interview outdoors. Now Brett, obviously Dana isn't the big biggest fan of aerial Awani. Who's your colleague not? Is this breaking news? What happened there? Now, he's your colleague now at ESPN. So you reap the benefits there as Dave is almost always going to come to you with the breaking news, right or wrong. Sure. That no definite to that. Here. Here's how I look at that. And and I'll be honest, like, I I don't I don't want people to think that you know, Dana doesn't like areas. So he he he been comes to me. You know, I think that there is an absolute truth that I benefit from it. I can't I'm not gonna sit here and tell you lie to you and say that I don't, you know, but I think that Ariel Dana could I don't know if they can ever fix what's going on between them. I don't think that that's really my business. I don't really root for or against that. I mean, I know that I've I've covered the sports like I just told you since UFC ninety eight I live in Las Vegas. I've interviewed Dana a billion times before the UFC was ever on ESPN. And now there is a there is a partnership there between you Jan I could tell from Jane. But also just the organization as a whole, you know, they want to work with. ESPN, and they want they want to the conversations have changed, and they're more frequent and or that. But I really wouldn't say the my relationship has changed with Jane all that much from from you've been, you know, aerial joining the PIN I'd just I want to have a relationship with with with Dana white then with any source really that is completely independent of any other journalists out there, and and the while I will acknowledge that that that Dane is an aerial beef. I guess is probably good for me. I, you know, I don't I don't I don't really look at it that way, I as a journalist, I find sources I, cultivate them. I'd former Latian ships. You know, I cover this sport. And and you know, regardless I guess what else is going on between anybody else. So why did he been able to be tainted good relations with Dane in the UFC as opposed to the friction between Dana and Ariel? Is it just aerial? Is it just they just don't collect or you'd is such a good, dude? Well, I think it's a good do wait. No. But I would say. Embrace. You could agree or disagree with me. There is a certain thing called embargo that I think fans have to realize sometimes too. They spend a lot of money on advertising and things like that. And then if you break a story, it's like ruin somebody's surprise party. You know what I mean? So I don't know if that was a big part of it. But Brett do you agree disagree? It's kind of sometimes it's an embargo issue. No, I don't embargoes are kind of a weird thing. You know? I mean, so here's the thing. 'cause like waving a story or not breaking story or like, how does that work? If someone comes to me with a story that I had no idea what's going to happen. You know, I'm just I'm sitting in my jammers. If I hold office, and I have not done, you know, any worker or any kind of conversations about a particular thing. Right. And someone comes to me and says, hey, this is going to happen. You know, we want you to know about it. But, but we don't want you to write a right now, you know, because. Big for whatever reason like maybe it's not completely finished. Or you know, there's there's still there's still kind of leeway where could fall apart. Or you know, what situation you just brought up of like, maybe there's marketing into it. Here's the information. But don't write it yet. If I knew nothing about it. Then I can't just turn around and say, oh, I'm running with this right now. I don't feel I don't think that that'd be ethical. But if I hear about something, and and I I make some phone calls, and I find out that it's true. And someone says says, hey, you know, we we're going to we have this planned or we're going to do this or that. And we would prefer that you not hold it. I'm probably not gonna hold it. You know because that's not journalism either. So so that's that's how it Bargo is, you know, sometimes industry. Yeah. Like helps you something that you didn't know anything about. And I think at that point. You can't just run with it. But by tracking down a story, or if I'm finding something that maybe someone doesn't want out there or whatever if I get the story, and it's accurate and someone's asking me not to run it. But I have it on my own and I'm going to run it. That's. How it works? But did you reach out the Dana? Would you have an idea if I might be happening or knows that one of the phone calls you make? I do. Yeah. Yeah. I reached out to Dana pretty pretty constantly. I mean, he's one of the guys that I do bug a lot, and you know, data's been been very generous with his time. And he gets back to me. And and there are times where he says that now that that that's I'm wrong. What I'm hearing is accurate. And there are times when he's like. Yeah. That's that's true. You know, and you can confer hell confirm it for me. And then when I write a report, I'll say, the Dana white confirmed it, you know, so yeah, I I'm I'm constantly reaching out to date. I I don't know why you want it. I mean in this in this job covering this sport. I would imagine the best part of the job is to reach out today on a frequent basis, and then I happen to have a good enough relationship where where you actually gets back. Most of the time not every time. We'll get back quite a bit. What do you make a Conor McGregor is current situation supposedly retaliated an investigation of sexual assault claims being reported in the New York Times. Yeah. I I gotta be you know. So so Connor went on a tweet rampage last night. Did you guys see that? We didn't get to talk about that the thoughts. Yeah. I mean attack good. What do you? I mean, what you think that I'm not I'm not a big fan of I've got kind of over it. If the honest, and I thought that the call him. I thought Conor McGregor is brand of trash dog used to be really clever. It used to be really intelligent. It used to really dig at people in a way that I thought actually got them off their game. I mean, he was great. He was on island on his own when he came through trash balking. He went he went from being like a really good battle rapper to just barking. You know, that's how I. Well, I mean, he's posting photos of a sparring session with a retired boxer. That's from two years ago now, and he's bringing people, you know, now, he's bringing healthy remember meadows wive wife's into this. You know? Calling people scurrying rats, and and it's like I heard him say no rat- like fifty billion times. Now, it seems like this is this is he's fallen a long way in my opinion, his brand of trash talk and his way of getting attention. I I still think that there's a brilliant guy in there somewhere. I hope we get to see it at some point. But right now, I mean, I'm not like, I'm not real impressed. I guess with with one on seeing Conor McGregor. Right. Can I say when he came on the scene what he said, we are not here to take part? We had to take over. I mean that that was awesome. Like, there's a lot. You got. I give them a lot of credit for when he was very witty. I didn't like leading up his fight with with a Kibi, and he was talking about his father. That's when I first started saying, wait a minute man from I feel that that he just looks like a dirt bag like when he talks about somebody's nice talking about somebody's wife. I'm you still got competes. Why are you? I mean, this is why I mean, and then when he's in a position Matt love. Go on because then when he's in he's in a cage with the guy, and then could be doing the talk and say, I want to talk. Now, he gets in a very bad position. And he's like all right. I'm outta of human. I had enough. He's he's a punk is what he's being bread. Where I come from this being a bitch. And meanwhile, he's talking about my ancestors Bill rate a village with a fucking a fucking pick ax. Who dude who cares? You tap it out like a bitch. If you talk about somebody's family. I'm sorry bread here. Is my favorite part of the conversation. It's just rolling note. In in. The problem is is that he can't get away with it. Because in this sport. Unfortunately, man, I mean people just don't care about occasionally. And I want to say the people who really pay attention to people who have been here from the beginning have watched come up, and then kind of you know, watched sort of what what is all turned into they care. But by and large. I mean, the casual people out there who don't follow the sport on regular basis. They don't care. They're just like, oh, yes, we cars talking trashed it could be one rematch. You know? So he can he can get away with it. Like like, there's not a lot of whole like thought that he puts into it. And there's not a whole lot of effort that he puts into this trash talk. But like how can you blame him? If you know he's made the most money of his career, probably when he had had a kind of a fake. I don't want to call it a steak fight because it was real punches that he took from Floyd Mayweather spectacle, fighting and spoiled Mayweather, and then and then this this like real personal ugly, you know, rivalry with deep. But that's that's what sold, you know. That's what really captured people's interests. And that guy. That's just that's the problem with the sport. Unfortunately. Because you know, why would why would he why would he take the time to to put out something more clever or to put more effort into his brand of trash talkers to change anything? If what he's doing is working because right now, there are a lot of people probably today talking about the rematch because of what he tweeted last night, which is just an unfortunate reality, it is unfortunate because I truly feel and. You know, and I've had beefs and stuff, but I feel family and religion should be off off. It's crossing a line where it turns it into something else. You can't you can't expect the guy because then you don't in when it's time the hash it out the guy just chickens out manny's, you even get like when could be flew over that fence and attack the corner. He didn't get to release his total because Connor just tapped out. He's not exactly in that. You know, he's he's in that quick tap club like chick. It's rough. He's like, hey, man. If you look at all his submission always finishes its when he gets caught. He never went to sleep. He does it ain't I'm Dr right? You got me. I mean. How would his answer is this what the pitch and pick axes feel that shit? They're turning over. Nick ribs, you know, but anybody bread enough. Fighter in the coach coming out on you right now. Yes, I'm better at that than I am and interview people, but I only only like bringing up Connor just to hear Matt's rant about him. Listen because you don't why real fighters they I mean, he's a talented guy. And again is good. He's good. Some of the speeches are great. But you got it back it up, and you don't just back it up, which merkin people. It's it's amazing. What he's Alvarez. It's amazing. What he did to a lot of people. He's a talented, dude. But that doesn't mean it's a classy guy. He's not classy at all talking about somebody's family religion. It's extremely trashy. I don't get what kind of liquor. You have. All right. Breathless. Brad anything else to tell the fans, but the great bread Akimoto. No, nothing about the great Bremmer commode. I appreciate the the interview. I did want to tell you bad. It's funny. I mean, you're so says I told you I came in and started covering the sport at ninety eight. So so you only had three fights while I was covering the sport. But it was it was it was funny. I have a distinct memory about you as a fighter and and more more. So is like like me getting an interview with you. And I think it was it probably was was a head of you had a fight at UC one. Oh, nine and and fight was in Vegas, and I'm still working at the newspaper at the time. So I definitely would have covered it. And I think I I got an interview with you through the the old a guy who used to work at the US CPR departments. Name was Joe Fernandez. I'm sure you remember him. I think you guys were pretty close. He was eating my video, my video blogs, very nice guy. He's the one behind a camera with video blogs. I love to Joe, man. He was he was great. I only knew what he was only there for a couple of years when I started covering, and then he he moved onto other stuff. But I was always like great relationship with Joe. He said, I'll get you an interview with Matt. And you know, we're still in New York, and we're doing like some media that stuff around New York. And then you're gonna find a lot value. Sounds like. Okay. Cool. So I was into the newsroom, and I I like I was waiting for. Joe calling me and calls me. And he puts you on the phone, and you guys you guys are in the back seat of some cars driving around and at the time man, I think I was like twenty four years old again still just kinda getting into this sport on like cited. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna interview Matt I'm gonna write stories about that. And you guys had the windows down. I think about like this summer flight one. The weather must have been nice because the windows were down. Yeah. You guys are driving through New York. And you saw like three people that you knew. So like, you would get on the phone and literally like talk to me for thirty seconds. And I was going to get ready to ask you a question. And then you'd see somebody that you knew and you have to stop the car, and he jumped out, and you have to have the conversation with guys I was just sitting in my cubicles. It's like waiting for you to come back to the car. He came back to the car the whole thing would repeat itself. And then like at the end, you were just like all right grow. I gotta go. Yeah. Good talking to you. I didn't even get to write a story about you. Then we don't say that to put you on the spot that I never forgot that man that was funny interview. 'cause I definitely wasn't mean spirited. No, it wasn't mean-spirited at all. I just figured you were like the mayor of New York man running riding around back. And you saw like, you know, fifteen people that you saw that your personality man, you see a guy that you see on the side of the street. You're not just going to drive by and you're gonna get a car and go talk to them, right? That kind of guy my personality, my ADD, couldn't I couldn't be one of the other but bread I want to formally apologize for that. And for this interview. I'm only kidding. This is fun. Forgiven? Brad so much fun. If Alison your New York stop in the studio, man, we love to have you and hang out with us. Great. Thanks for having me guys. All right. Brett, thank you so much, man. Take care. The Great Britain a Komodo. What a nice guy. He's really good. You know, I enjoyed that. Man. He is really good seriously. I'm not just saying that because you on the show like that's stop kissing his ass. He's already heard enough. We already know that you're trying to get over in that ESPN spot. I'm sorry. Listen, you get on me. I get on you. That's why we're friends to attack. I'm so happy. I'm so happy during that interview. Probably sell your colleague flower pizza guy, yet the jump. I've never had that I have never had that. And I'm actually I kneel will lose listen to this because I've been talking about it a lot when I get it to say right now that hold on only goes, you're not going to meet me something weird. I'm sharing. Look look looking at coming back back. There's four look I'm pushing my belly out and he's three and a half. Good point is this that I'm point one amount of bloated fat guy. Okay. All right. All right. Listen, you could give me a competent only kiss. I sorta way we're friends. No, no. I I wanna do say that. I'm very proud of you because lots of people say they're going to go gluten free, and they don't actually stick with what you said that Mike myself, by the way, you said that means that I was walking around. In fact, I know I'm saying that it's really hard to stay gluten-free, especially when you have a love of pizza. Well, Khalil lack it. Khalil Roundtree get me Roundtree don't lie. So because Jimmy is gone blue round Lee Roundtree tell me about Khalil's last fight. Khalil's caller number that, he he lost his last fight the Johnny Walker and tell me about his opponent. Oh, Eric and is tough. Do very is this fight happening next. Just tell me this is happening today. Chris looked at. Just looked at me like crazy where is it happening? UFC two thirty six in Atlanta. Georgia a good you're doing the plug. Right. Where's my little Jimmy bird shimmy bird? He's just Jimmy left radio in this morning. He's really not feeling. Well, he sounded like a fucking weirdo list show. Yeah. Actually, like, the sound of his voice. It was kind of cool Eric Lewis two straight Eric Andrews. But wasn't that on short notice? One of them the one against the auto Santos was like two days. I mean, he took the fight really quiet and went to Argentina and Elias Elias Theodora buddy of mine, he that guy has a way of winning, man. He's gonna fight tricky on north of. Did. I just double punch you. It's weird. He's going to kind at work it works. Oh, okay. Hello. Is this Khalil Roundtree? Yeah. What's going on? What's up, man? It's mad Sarah in Phoenix carneval, you're on UFC, unfiltered. How are you buddy? Matt, sarah. I'm doing good man, man. Good to talk to you, buddy. You'll Pfizer so exciting. Can I start off with saying that I'm sure you heard that before? I've heard a couple of times. But but thank you, man. Pretty cejka. All don't get a big head. I'm only kidding Khalil. He'll kill you. You gotta fight coming up with Eric Anders. When I just when I saw that I was like in this got fighter tonight written all over it. Now, it'd be nice. That would definitely be nice. Not those guys those checks, those checks are awesome. So and also just like getting fight of the night. You know, it's like it's cool to have fights. I like that people talk about you know, what I mean? Like after the fact like, you know, just it's good to get to here. Like that the people are entertained, and like, you know, talk about it. And like oh shit. Like, did you see that fight? So that'd be cool. I mean, Eric, I mean, it's weird when you look at you look at some records, and you look at like how's the guy doing lately, I mean, this is very deceiving. Because if you look at his last in fights and he's coming off two losses. But if you look at those one it's to Diego Santos who's who's doing amazing lately? I'm not even I'm thinking on a few days notice, wasn't it. Yeah. Super. Yeah. So this that which is really hard to gauge. And and then you got a licensed the adorable who's that? He has a way of winning like he has. He has a style. That's a pretty unique. And it's he doesn't take a lot of damage. He grapples each. And then he makes you know, he's throwing some strikes out you. So he has a way of getting a W O view. So it doesn't really make. So it makes it look like Eric seven time. But this dude is dangerous as heck. Yeah. Absolutely. I I mean, I I would totally agree. Like, I think, you know, for one dude got balls per stepping in fighting of Slinger, right? Like Jiagelo Santos on your couple of days. You know, no fight campus. Like, yeah. Whatever I'll do it. So that like that alone speaks for like, which is like what type of duty is right? And then. Yeah. Like like, you said about like your life like he's just he's got a he's got away winning shot a kind time like awkward style. Yeah. He makes everything up just that's just that's just how he fights. So. Yeah, Eric, I I've said in many interviews and stuff like him. And he's like, he's a smart, dude. And he's a game fighter for sure. So you don't make it kind of goes same for myself. You know, like, yeah. I got knocked out by Johnny Walker, and like, you know, has to your bosses and stuff. Two. I haven't really been fully like able to. Really like. Do not I wanted to do my best. But like show everything that like, you know, but I'm capable of two. So I think I think it's just a good opportunity moment for the Baltimore Smith. Let me as you know, five of your seven professional wings, KOA TKO. So seeing that knowing that you have that power, and knowing that you have the ability to put somebody's lights out like you could fall in love with that. Right. I mean, that's how I put a couple of guys asleep. And it gives you that. It's almost like. Like you like like it's a thirst like I want to feel that again. But now knowing that you have that much power. How do you have to discipline the the work on your ground game? And do you how much do you work on your ground game? So the I like the first part of the question is, you know, like knowing that I have that tower in the beginning. Like kind of early on in my m days and stuff like that. Like when things were happening and even a little bit earlier in my like in my pro career, I was like. I would get kinda like hungry for that. Right. Like, especially the fights that I was kind of nervous for like shoot. Like, you know. All right, man. Like, I'm just gonna I'm gonna try to knock this guy out. You know, what I mean like knowing that I have it that guy? Okay. You don't like kind of relying on that. And I was just, but it would just always put me in like in bad situations because just be like just waiting for that. Just try to like force than knock out. You know what? I mean. I think everybody knows like when you try to force things like that it really doesn't happen. So now, I'm at a point where I'm like, it's cool to know that a habit in the back like in the back of my mind and Mike. Okay. I know that I have it. So and and it will it'll come when it wants, you know, like when I punch go comes sake. Like, I didn't you know? I wasn't thinking like, okay, I'm gonna knock him out with this punch. It was just kind of like a reaction to get not. And then. And then as far as like the ground game goes since I started air like and knowing that I have been but the knockout power, and and and the coaches that I've worked with that. No. That have the knockout power. It's always kind of been the same thing. Like, they're like, okay. Like, you have the power, you know, like not too many people want to stand with you because they see this power. So they're gonna take you down. So the ground game for me has always been something. That's like. I'm not I'm not Jici guy. Right about a I'm not a wrestler, but I have to get down there and do it in order to like understand these things in order to to use them effectively for my game, which I wanna strike. So, you know, get back up or whatever it may be is is it like a good. Yes. So. I think like how I would explain it's like I just get like for me when I'm when I'm on the when I'm on the ground. I get like, I get grinded a lot. And like in practice area grinded a lot in order to like. Tally work, the mind a lot, you know, what I mean and get back on sweeps and and things like that in order to just like, I I use it. Who's the okay? So like, for instance, like I learned it from Anderson, right? Like Anderson was telling me like, you know, man, you like you gotta do it too. It's super important, you know, but like you got to implement. He like, you gotta use certain things about it in order to like to fit you, you know, like don't go in there and just get lost. And you know, you don't have to go into shoes black blackbelt journey. But you know, it sounds like is it like you eating your vegetables when you have to do your job. You don't like it or I mean, you know, it's it's necessary. But it sounds like you like, I gotta do this. So. No. So I like to I really do like I can. I can go to jujitsu, and I can just like, and I can just have roles and stuff like that. But my like I would much rather just strike. That's accessible. Nah, I respect you like, I can I if if I go to jitsu or like if I'm if I'm rolling or something like that like my okay, cool. I'm rolling. But like if I'm just training striking for me. I can do that all day you gave them saying like it's just something for me where it's just like, it's just natural. It's just it doesn't even feel like training. It's just it's it's fun. It's it's it's just a it's just a natural thing. You know? Like, if I'm if I'm dead tired from some type of striking training, then I'll go, you know, take a quick break, and I can go go right back at it. You know what? I mean. Yeah. It just it just like, I don't know what I love. I just all different types of striking. You know, whether it's boxing Moi, Tai Tai Kwon. Like, whatever. Like, I love it all so like, I'll I'll train it all did you did you start your martial arts journey because of bullies because I was reading here that you had some would bullies when you were kid. Oh, man. So I mean, bullies and all type of things, but it was mostly because I was overweight. So at nineteen years old, I got up to three hundred and five thousand my heaviest man air. Yeah. Like, I was always I was always like a like a really fat guy growing up like a heavy kid. But after high school. I started. I always been in the music play music things like that. So I used to I used to travel with my friends bans after I stopped playing for a bit. There were like, hey, we're about to go on tour. Like, you wanna go with us like so merch things like that you can travel with us all that. And I was like, yeah. Sure. So I started traveling with these guys on the road, and you have for us. It was just like fast food three times a day. Every time we stop to get gas. I'm just eating drinking at least to you know, to two liters of like, Dr Pepper day smoking, like a pack pack and a half at least at how do, you know? Only this was this was from age eighteen and nineteen so within that one year like. In eighteen I was already like, you know to something you know, what I mean? But but at like just that year of of. Yeah. Just being on the road never really played sports or really being athletic or anything like that. Like, you know, it was just I was living the the most unhealthy lifestyle you can live. Is that like if I asked to back them when you were twenty years old and told you, hey, I'm from the future and in a couple years, you're going to be an enemy fighter. Would you think? I was totally crazy. But that's you are probably would have just given you the really blank stare. And like any words. Tell me about the tree. He'll tell me about the transformation because we got a pitcher you up here. And you look like a freaking superhero is what I'm looking at here. So we'll tell now during high school wait a second during high school in junior high school, we will fat kid also. Yeah. So after this whole can I recommend that you go to your high school reunion can holiday. No, I just missed. It was last year. And I was Allen making. And yeah, I thought about it. I was like man that would have been really cool to just go back. Yeah. Good. Yeah. So I'll have to awesome. Make the next one. I would have been like doing so movie like that with who plays deadpool Ryan Reynolds when he was like a really fast lost the weight, just friends or something like that. It's just like just friends, but that's like now, you'll go back, and you're going to see a lot of girls that you probably had crushes on. And you're a fucking superhero Khalil Khalil married. You have a good. Here's the thing. Matt like. When I started getting in shape after like when I after high school, it was like just a few years. I started getting to shape I'm getting messages from girls in high school and hog girl through like had the biggest crush on you your kit pill. No. You didn't go to me like. A weird. It was just such a weird thing. You know what I mean? But inside man like, you know, like, yeah. I'm I'm, you know, I'm I'm I feel good about myself now and things like that. But that the fat kid inside of me like never dies like I still have the same type of light the same heart. Right. You know like it. So it's still, you know, it took me a while to even really get like thing about it. I was when I when I lost weight and actually got in shape, I was twenty. So I've got I've got twenty years of being this fat, dude. Now, I'm twenty nine. So it's like, this is all still pretty new to me. So, you know, it's it's all gotta balance itself out in order for me to really like fully embrace, the, you know, the. Quote, unquote superhero hundred percent, hey, remember that Ben said about that great Powell with great responsibility. We make sure you wrap. Your rascal calill, don't, you know, this disease? No, absolutely. I make sure that I'm row responsible, man. Man. Let's give I want to give a proper plug to the fight. Can you do that for me, Krista producer? Yes. You're Khalil fights. Eric Anders on the main current of UFC two thirty six Saturday. April thirteenth from Atlanta, Georgia, ten pm eastern, that's on pay per view and the main Komen or two interim title fights Holloway Emporia, headlined the card and the Komen is gasoline at aside. Just so it's a great card. Hey killer, man, you was so much fun. I want you in studio if you ever in New York, buddy. That'd be off of you guys. Are you guys are great to? It's it's refreshing to have a, you know, just a an interview that just it's fun. It's more like a conversation than not like definitely, you know, he's these questions like you may have million times. Are you ready? Yeah. The worst one ready for this player. Give me your thoughts. No. I can't just give you my thoughts. I got a million like get out of my life. But really quick eco fight week. Are you just chilling? What do you do to get your mind off the fight? And we let you go in a second. But what do you like to just chill out during the week, or you tents? There's there's definitely like a good balance of both. It depends on where I'm at. If it's if it's in another country. I definitely like to get out and see things I've been to Atlanta a couple of times. So yeah, man, I'll probably just be chilling out actually for this. I'm still good. So I think it I think he'll get a good amount of get him out of training in while. I'm that's like that week were you in Thailand. Yeah. I been in time for months, four months. You were in Thailand for four months. Yeah. Oh, man. That's so awesome. That is so off after that after that Johnny Walker fight like I watched a bunch of tapes. And I was just like man like what like what went wrong, you know? And I saw okay. This guy is big you know, that that's one thing his size kind of just being back kind of shut me down a little bit. And then, but technically I realized like when I was in a quench like, I literally shut down and everything that I've ever learned in a clinch was just he's like weird. You know? Oh, this is how you escape, and this is you look out for the knees. And like like, just like, very basic stuff that really like if you are clinch fighter doesn't really work. Yeah. So I was like, okay. Well, I'm going to Thailand. Go learn the real more tight clinch though. Once I got there, and and learned it. I mean, it was like it was just like a whole new world. You know, it's it's like a whole it's a whole different style of fighting in its own. So. To really. Yeah. Exactly. So I fell in love with the place and the people, and I just decided that like that's like that's home now. So. When I was in. I was in Bangkok for three months. So I was in my Thailand Thailand, you know. Like, it was it was a struggle to get around at first. But I made I made some really good good type friends that helped me out and then for the last for the last like five weeks, I was in Pawtucket and. Just to me that was just the most beautiful and get balance of like foreigners anti people like AKA, or what's Mike Swick that tiger. Tiger tiger's. Really good. Poppy will clear, but just that the cycle of people that go to that place is it's ridiculous like the pack of just like catching and guys. You know, what I mean like you packed of just every single like type of like every single type of fighter. So it was it was a really really hard camp. And there were a lot of days where I felt like I just really couldn't catch a break. But I think I think it was I really needed that you know, 'cause I had to kind of change in the heat and everything to is fairly he outside you can't cool down or just so many so many like so many things that were different in new. And so like, I'm just I'm like really excited to see like, you know, like what what's that what that has made me get there. That's a lesson. Many maga- tricks feed great experience man, and I'll tell you right now Khalil. Your stories very inspiring. And there's a lot of little fat kids that are going to listen to this. And they're gonna look at you and thinking to see that they could blossom into a superhero. So listen man, all best bro with this weekend next weekend next next weekend. Embry shaped Lanier Kahlil later. All right, man. Awesome stuff interviews clear. Yeah. Guy, man. I like just shooting the shit like that what a laid back, dude, man. I like him a lot. He's one of Jimmy's favorites assume that he's gonna feel. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. That's going to be a good interview. Jimmy with. Yeah. He's a nice guy. He was great. It's all good Moulis. My little Jimmy, you know, he's legitimacy. He's Leandro you've seen them with him. Well episode. What are gonna end this thing? But what else do we got any gossip from you Phoenix? We did have made for an hour and change any things there should be watching. Well, the joker trailer just came out. Yeah. It looks interesting. Yeah. Yeah. It could be really good a really really bad like it looks depressing. And it looks like I mean, I don't know. They don't only do origin stories of for the villains. But the joker is a fascinating fascinating character. Character Zam is coming out. What I'm not digging. Ready? Let's come on it looks like a big with superheroes. Exactly. But this this is the difference. And I'm gonna tell you right now. And I said it before and I stand by it. Why the kids seems cool as f you beats up the bully all sudden, he gets these POWs turns into a the big superhero muzzles look at me. It's it's. Needs asshole. He's also be goofy. Goof bigs who do you believe it look at me? Kaby? May what is what he has to be humbled. Once he has powers, maybe they're going to reverse it somehow these acts like an idiot, adult moron. He's just like. Wow. Whoo. I'm gonna try to fly. I felt he's when he was a kid. He was a cool kid. The kid seems cool. I'm at you were a cool kid. You know, I was looking and then Lastly, I I'd never heard what you thought of captain marvel shopping mall. I loved it. I loved the United disagreed for the first time ever, I enjoyed it. I thought it was thought it was very I felt empowering for it's very for my kids to watch that there was that little montage. So that's when she has. No. But it was also it was well done mom those things. Well, done David a little they flip the script a little bit. Where some guys that you think might be bad or good evening. I'm not going to get into it. But like in the beginning when they show like almost like the the like the commando team cre-, you know, this us bought up. I thought that was cool shit. I wanted them to like I like that. I thought that was cool, and then took some different twists, which is cool, I suppose, but I kind of would've liked it better. If it was they stayed like the way it was. I don't want to give away anything but it was enjoyable. I cannot wait the end game. You know, you should get your tickets now, by the way, I can't wait. But you know, what I do. Now like a lot of times me and my on. I'll take my kids to like if I have the right away me and my wife, go to the matinees a lotta time. Oh, that's. Because you know, the kids are in school, man. That's perfect matinee soon as they got EMS recycling company years Phoenix. I don't want it. We supposed attacker there on a day wife. Of course, it's a little date day day know, don't needs. My wife always details. But we have a good time. It keeps the marriage strong. Anyway, you know, what's weird? I can't get through the punishment for some reason. I heard it so good. I couldn't either I met your body. And now like that guy. It's just that some. Some of the Netflix shows with the exception of daredevil Dragovic. I know because I like a lot of the shows, but they just drag they tried to drive. So I think I think that's what it is should be eight episodes instead of the twelve of the thirteen what they do. And then I then drags a little bit. Hopefully was that I broke a motives notes for patriots. You have the we listen if I was a fake if I was a phony I could have been listened Christmas. Still good. I always go of still relevant. Well, listen. It's about a fight with Rachel. Yeah. You know? But it's not the point plays. He took my fuck. It knows but less than Phoenix with friends again with friends again, the Matt and Phoenix show thought about feeding show. But today it is today. It is we have fun. Yes. Good our snorted. Maybe we'll edit that out. I never did anything out. Basically. What do I keep saying this north? Up a lot show. You didn't you're being out of control. You're being you're being like if you are being like a nervous Nellie and. You don't have to tell you right now. What's funny? I'm not nervous about it at all. Was I give flight nothing. No, this is the thing team on the I feel that what it is. They they like people like me. So I feel I have to be very honest with them to forgive as I moved with Mike up my nose. You know what I mean? I listen, we're gonna go Phoenix do me a favor. Plug so Phoenix valley on Instagram in fighting shape is the podcast, and I'm on access TV every Friday night. And that's about it or your that the wrong. What happened are you on? Are you on? You're not everything you'll doing that's exciting. Thank you. Visit. I think that door Phoenix will be coming out with looks like shit. Those game of thrones is coming back. So that's. Able I looking rooms, you know, why like though. Brett Akimoto one Komodo Kubota. Listen, everybody. Thank you for listening to you of unfiltered. Okay. All right Christmas album soon. 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Bo Sandoval - UFC Strength & Conditioning Coach

John Bartolo Show

50:34 min | 2 months ago

Bo Sandoval - UFC Strength & Conditioning Coach

"Hopefully we have no issues. But we're back when another episode. But i the sponsors head over to w dot com or toll show dot com. Go check on a complete list of the sponsors there. Hopefully we have no echo issues. I'm gonna bring a few of those sponsors. The ones i like in love. Gal technologies rhino. Metals blackwater munition ca gear up usa pulsar thermal imaging technologies come down to price go checkout pulsar full courts and firearms. Can't leave them out. Gotta thankful courts and scott big shutout to scott and weapon lights among others appreciate the sponsors. A complete list is down below. Please guys go support the sponsors on the show and be possible. Thank you got a special guest today. Most handle dinner bitter now. Listen listen listen to me. You know people don't realize our friendship and everything else and you say what the hell are we gonna talk about. People realize behind the scenes. We've grown close. We talk about a lot. that's close to the gonna. I was wondering what we're going to talk about like. Do we talk about everything every day every day when we're going to talk about what are we gonna cover so i wanna start. I can't talk about this. The ufc do renovations. Things going on. Things are happening. what's happening. Oh just growth and development. You know the us never going to sit still so Been four years now four years in a month since we've opened that facility and done a lot of training through a lot of development lot of assessment and it's that time we you know when you look at the world of training and the evolution of it and you're trying to be at the tip of the spear of it. I mean that evolution happens fast right. We've quickly outgrown our capabilities ourselves in our Our dreams and aspirations are ambitions than what we're trying to do in the performance world with fighting It's outgrown that facility a little bit. So we're doing a little overhaul In a few spaces Physical therapy the strength and conditioning space. Basically the main performance floor downstairs and it's to accommodate again. Some of these evolved training scheme some of these evolved the methodologies and use of space that we've grown into over the last four years what is performance. Yeah give everybody give everybody some insight into what performance actually sounding people know sure when people look at the process everything kind of revolves around training. You know it's easy to get down the rabbit hole of training. Everything is preparation and training members to me. Performance is after all of your training and all your investment whatever. Those investments are never. That's the arms race right. Everyone pick and choose what they're going to invest in their preparation. It's the culmination of those things and recovering from it to get into the day of competition for us inside. The octagon fight day as close to one hundred percent as possible so essentially realizing your current and mental potential. And that one moment. It's crazy. Because i didn't realize how now we do have a lot to talk about because i when i took a deeper tour. The deep tour the bow sand of all tour of the ufc. I realized how important recovery was to you guys and how important making sure these. These young athletes are taking care of their body. And how important that was that was eye opening to me how much time you guys spend in that space. Yeah no doubt. I mean the age old conversation between an athlete has usually been. We're going out work this guy or hate team. We're gonna work this team. We're going to work harder than anyone else. In america we got. There's coaches out. That i've worked for their slogan is the hardest working team in america I laugh because everybody works hard. They all work especially at that level. They all work hard. You want to be the smartest. So what we've shifted the conversations down to it's kind of silly sound sometimes. I'm like hey we're going out sleep this guy. Hey we're going to out. Eat this guy we're gonna out rest this guy And all jokes aside. We spend a lotta time. Devising plans out to take the fighters in the coaching and coaching staff that we work with. They're very educated. They're very sharp at finding tools installing systems and really breaking opponents down to figure out a way to beat them. They're really good at that Most our conversations and how we influence their processes how we manage some of that too. Just install little windows of recovery. Like where are we having opportunities to recover from the great work that we've just prescribe. I'll say something. That i thought was a little crazy. Gordon ryan was on rogan. And he mentioned you know never take a day off a train seven days a week. Well how do you feel about that. Is that like a stupid. When people say i trained seven days a week so you're just grabbing hold of the headline. If you listen to gordon when he talks a little deeper into it they go go. It doesn't mean that he's going balls to the wall live around every single day of those seven days and two and three times a day. He understands that when he's beat down he might be in there one time that day and it might be just drilling. He also understands it on a day when he feels like he's getting ready for prepar for competition and he needs to go hard but knows easby down. It's okay for him that days like tap out seven times in class. Because i know. I'm not gonna fight through this. I'm already i've already got the candle burnt from both ends but i need the reps. So he's managing his load and that's essentially what we're doing as well. I wouldn't say we're taking a day week and turn it into a three day work week. That doesn't work. You're not going to be able to float at this level You're gonna sink quick But it's more of a management of those opportunities to recover. And so gordon has if you listen to this conversation. He's constructed ways to manage his load in training There are there are things like that. That's scaling we call that scaling the work and then other you know the the other easy one is to remove work where we have a essentially a decathlete of martial arts fighters are They have multiple skills sessions and live round sessions per day. Boxing kickboxing wrestling jujitsu. Mma sparring boxing sparring. Whatever the case may be. There's a lot of different ways to slice it. So would allow them. We'll deal when it comes time to manage workload is they'll remove some of the things that aren't as impactful during that particular time and this is where we kind of help them decide that we have certain objectives during training camp with one of those isn't really a direct objective and we need a window to breathe will remove one of those things that doesn't mean we're taking a day off you still got to show up for wrestling practice just because we're removing a pad session with our kickboxing coach or we're cutting conditioning session. Down in half or whatever the case may be so it's a management of of workload. That's what kind of yields recovery at the end and everyone is totally different. We have some guys that are super resilient. I can't tell you how stumped we are figuring out where that resiliency comes from some of them. There are thirty five years old. They're still that resilient. Others are twenty two years old and extremely resilient twenty two year olds that have zero durability cannot bounce back from one training session to another so. It's all over the map. In terms of the level of their resiliency to recover from session to session have been training. Athletes the wrong way since high school like that whole no water run an extra lap is that is that dead. Is it safe to say that's dead and that doesn't make sense. So i'm still a firm believer in you've got an still little methods for toughness. You've got a challenge people psyche as they're getting accustomed to training kind of thing but mandate a holistic regiment year round. That says we don't drink water when we train. Yeah that's probably there's probably like we're too stupid. Meet top exactly now every now and then to throw a wrench in the gears to you know to mess with someone psyche. A little bit. I think that's important especially in fighting. I mean there's no script to a fight when you step in the cage all kinds of crazy scenarios play out. So i'm definitely a big believer in some of those mental challenges. I don't think they need to be the fundamental backbone of what your program is built around. Yeah it's i. 'cause i grew up with triple sessions and if your arm was broken you still went because you know that was how was and i think in some ways though. That's kind of dying off because everybody wants to sound cliche. Everybody wants to inject the science into it now. Everybody wants to say but the science. This i thought when i was a kid it was so dumb having no water breaks but that was that was like the dumbest shit so the work is the work. You know the hard work that diligent the consistent work is what yields the majority of the results. the science is what gives you the precision. So you can. That's why i guys that work with high school college athletes. You know they're like look. It's pretty simple. Get them stronger. They'll get better and it's like yeah to an extent one hundred percent but if you've got a top five percenter a kid that's competing for crowns in an individual sport even in a team sport every year. His level of marginal improvement His one percent. You're talking about really dig into the granular level of things to find where we can squeak out improvements. We're really hunting where we can improve that person. But i take the average. Jimmy who's never trained. Before and i just throw a routine regimen atom. That's just aimed at getting shot. Sure everything will improve across the board As trading age gets more sophisticated and training age gets. The you've really got a your approach and that's where the precision piece comes in now. The data becomes incredibly critical. And i learned how much you guys actually crunched out in their during my little walk around and it's pretty impressive. Actually it's it's you guys are really knee deep in the data. And i feel like people. Don't do that enough when they're training. They're not understanding what they should be doing by the best way to say accumulating data takes a village. I mean that's tough. If i'm if i was a practitioner on my own running a center and working with a few fighters here and there. It's really tough to do that. At a high level and accumulate all that information aggregate it. or is it disseminate it and share it. You know we have a. We have a team that has decided. Hey that's part of our pledge to the sport were employed by the largest are league in the game So we have access to the largest number of elite athletes per weight class across the board. Internationally it's kind of a responsibility of ours and one that we have assumed that we're going to gather data we're going to aggregate that data. We're gonna we're gonna build some compelling stories around it and we're gonna share it because exactly what you said. No one's really been in a great position do that. There've been some small pockets of researchers and small pockets of teams. That have accumulates information shared it and some of the very significant just not at the rate or at the volume of something like american football or track and field or things that have been signed and research for the last hundred years so That's one of our responsibilities and philosophies and institute is to provide Our start providing some levels of data and and cross check that data and constantly re upping. We i'm sure you're going to jump into this in a minute. We've just dished out our second edition of our journal which is essentially full of data and metrics fighting and fight statistics and training data. And this is the second go round produced the first one about a year and a half in. and now. here's the second one because that has evolved quite a bit and not to mention our pool of data has. I don't know it's ten times what it was four years or three and a half years. It's actually amazing Into have access to that data's invaluable i mean being able to crunch it and you see this as a coach people who i guess the term you look for a squared away. They have all their ducks in a row. Everything's together everything's dialed in. You can present a plan a program. I don't wanna get into it. Because i know it's a sensitive subject in the ufc right now. But then you see coaches come in that. Have no idea what they're doing some idea what they're doing. Or maybe you have no fucking clue what they're doing Particularly in the the sanchez situation. You guys just have to like almost abstain right. It's hard right. sure. I mean one thing that i understand. That's an outlier right unfold there. That's that's a. That's an odd situation. But in general you have to understand that every coach coming through there every athlete their context is entirely different where they're at in their stage of development is entirely different. What american top team has built down there and what. They have access to their depth of resources. I mean they can really get into a granular level of what they're doing with their schemes and with their fighters as compared to say a gym. That just opened up. You know in oklahoma that they've got you know our room full of amateurs maybe a couple of pro fighters and they're being coached by a couple people that might have fought pro earlier in their careers there in the early stages. So what do you think they're going to be spending their daily regiments on fundamentals. We need to know how to box. We need to know how to wrestle. They're not they're not going to get overly indulge scientific teams around recovery schemes around frequency and volume just yet to establish a training culture. We're trying to establish consistency our messaging. What's our team going to be known for what our mantra you know. So and then. There's a spectrum in between that oklahoma jim in american top team. There's everything in between so an our is if you look at. Our fundamental approach are fundamental purpose. Why were there. Were there to help the a tease. And the oh the oklahoma beginner jim and everything in between so one of the first things we do when they come through the doors. We've got to recognize where they're rat. And where can we be helpful. We're service provider. where can i supplement. Only install myself to be able to assist their process with where it's at at this moment in context and that a lot of people are like man. That's tricky that to me. That's the fun park. Really getting to know someone where they're at currently and now we can. We can decide what's appropriate in terms of installing just just tiny little doses of improvement. So you try to put the blinders on a little bit as to whatever else they took into the gym with them absolutely and it's not my position to judge what track they're on right or wrong or how far they are. My my point is forward only forward. What can we do to help. Push them forward and if you're really devoted to elevating the game of may as the institute is if you're really devoted to to speeding up this evolution of the sport you gotta be willing to help all levels of it you gotta be willing to you. Know we have a fighter say If you'd like just recently. If if if france and god who comes in and he's got two or three other guys under his belt with them maybe they don't fight for our promotion yet may whatever their his training partners right. Ask a question or wants to talk training one hundred percent. We're going to take advantage of that opportunity and chat with him for a little bit and we will do that. We do that across the board for anyone that comes through that door. Is it safe to say though. The ucs crossed over to where we we've talked about this. Just specializing are just be an exceptional. Athlete isn't enough anymore. You know we're seeing guys that were fricken. Unbelievable twenty five at thirty five. They don't have that longevity that so it really is a testament to building from the ground up at some point bringing in some serious professional. Help to keep you elevate because it's a high bar now you can't just come in and be doing spinner. Rooney's in an arm bars from the air. It's very deceiving because we have some that climbed to the top so fast. Because you know you you string together four or five key knockouts in a row. They're entertaining right so you're entertainment. Status can climb to the top quickly. That doesn't necessarily mean your skills have been evaluated to see how you're going to swim when you're inside the top three because we start getting inside the top three and top five. Those guys and girls are super well rounded. They're good at every everything and if they're not and they squeak up in there you'll you'll watch they'll get exploited before long you'll figure out where that person's weaknesses because someone that is well rounded is gonna find it. And how many times have we watched you know fighters go through that. Look at some of the ones that are just world renowned specialists. Like a a jacques array or an entourage or somebody that you just watch them does their way through. And then they get to a certain point a stylistic matchup and you watch them consistently over and over half struggles with that particular match up and then that's when we go onto debating mode where where's the lacking is. The physical side is at the skills side is at the mentality. are you know. And then he got the armchair quarterback oh there to chinni now or they to focus on their family. Or they don't you. There's so many variables that people try to throw in. There is a point. Where if you're lacking in one area of your game you get up to that elite level of of the contest and i refer oftentimes the top three two top five because those that are swimming up in their consistently. They're good at everything man. They've got the full package In no they will exploit if you're missing one of those our muscles in the body building sense useless we have some impressive physiques in the afc. I mean we have you know we. The biggest thing is. Can you still deliver energy. Are you energy efficient. When you have that we have some that are we have some. That aren't and so because you know we see it on the mats even in the gym guys come in jacked you know and they. They're not worth shit. Yeah it's a because it's a sport where technique can definitely just rip apart the physique. There's no question and people are becoming better and better at being. Snipers they're so precise there so to say that. hey. I'm not that good at fighting so i'm gonna outweigh that with just putting a ton of muscle on just yeah. I don't think that's the right approach for the boys. I yeah. I told you this. Before like eric for example said to me goes all that muscles useless. I had to lose all that muscle from you know being a linebacker but is it useless right To some extent now one of the things that kind of got himself established in the ufc was being a frigging wrecking ball smashing people so it gave him the ability to go down the learning curve to say hey i need to refine my skills i may need i need to refine my my body and my my physical makeup a little bit So that actually gave him the ability to even do that because to step in when he stepped in you know he's one of those. Yeah a lot of the skills were lacking But his ability to come in and demolished a few folks actually gave him some a little bit of longevity in the league to where he could spend time on that learning curve. And you hope that the curve comes up as you progress so you don't stack up the losses right. I is the is the best way The us's tough listen it's it's it's it's not easy for everybody right at a had an interesting conversation last week with a coach who coaches a lot of great fighters out of sweden One in particular go con sake. Who made the switch over world renowned kickboxer unbelievable Monster in the kickboxing world and transition into enemy. And when he got into the ufc debut fight you know he had some struggles up and down ended up clipping the guy knocking him out and then next belt is against khalil. Roundtree and He you know when you are fighting someone and there is now this new sense of wrestling. There is the potential. Someone made drop their their level. And shoot it on your legs. It changes how you deliver it. Changes how you defend. It really stands in how you how you're moving and how you're using your faints. All that starts to shift and when everyone saul you know khalil. Roundtree land the the big right hand on kgo. Khan put him down like what. This guy's a world class kickboxer. That's terrible and it's like no. It's not as a means bad at boxing or kickboxing. He doesn't understand yet. He's still going through the learning curve of dealing with that on top of the threat of having to wrestle. So he's someone that. Has you know jane within the game. The game within the game not to mention. They're only seeing the crossover inside. The octagon like go cut in particular like he had issues with injury. Reoccurring injuries shoulders knees back. All coming from installing grappling and wrestling training his body. Just wouldn't hold up to. He's having a hard time holding up to it So you know that's not to be well rounded it's more than just practicing skills. It's having the durability to handle all those skills just like decathlete man those decathletes people like. Oh he's fit and he can jump high he can throw stuff are to be able to handle the training for that. You've got to have some serious Durability in your soft tissue and some resiliency in your system to be able to handle that type of training load that type of skill acquisition over and over and over again. it's the same thing with fighting sep. You're getting punched in the face and kicked in the stomach. And all that kind of fun stuff now if you want to work with somebody if somebody wanted to work with you not everybody has access to the pi. Is there an outlet for that Not really so. I know what you're doing. You little shit you may and my wife actually. Do we do a little bit. Here's your wife's world class to my wife. Loves doing some coaching locally We've got a little group that we started through a friend's jim. I've never had anyone call me a little shit this shit and man. It's been a lot of fun. We've honestly general public. We've got stay at home moms. We've got some retired military some active military. We got some kids. We got kids coming in with their mom. Like seventeen year old kid. He comes in with his non-english-speaking mom who's in her in her late forties and and they tear it up together. And so it's yeah that's been a fun little side project. It's not a big blown out thing where we're like l. The masses the members come on in. But if you'd like to check it out We do have an i g page you can go on there and ems with questions you know even if you don't come to us directly for anything we're always happy to answer questions That jeez abs performance You can look. But i think you kind of have to do that right like you. Give a little outlet to the community. That and honestly it's an outlet for myself fun as hell. We have a blast with it when you have you know fighters look man. I've been at this since about two thousand and five and fighters some of the most entertaining just courageous adventurous athletes. I've ever worked with. I mean there's never a dull moment. They're a blast but they're also working towards it. they're working towards employment. We're in towards the job. Right when i get a when i get a fifty year old woman who's been inactive because she's working towards functioning in life right and you watch her pickup hafer body weight and kettlebells and move it around skilfully shit. That's bad ass. And i'm not paying her to do that. She's paying us to do that. That's what's pretty cool. So and we w will look our jim if you want six pack abs and you want to do a bootcamp class. That's not the place foodi bootcamp. Our our classes are called the capable human projects. If you're looking at trying to be a more capable human being and you want life to be a little bit more fruitful because you're physically able to do the things that you wanna do then those are the kind of those are the kind of the capable human. It makes me it. Sounds like it's it's going to teach me where to hide the body. And that's what i'm interested in. Maybe it's hiding. my own. disgusting body are hiding. another body will say There's no hope for me. Because i i like snacks do much. There's absolutely no hope for me. I'm as good as dead. But i think bose hell bent on trying to help me. So that everybody out there Maybe we'll wink wink. Start patriots or a go fund me a hope for john. We'll try to save. We'll try to save what's left in me. We'll see. I'm prepared to donate his body to science. I don't know how i've made it this far. Search it'd be a good cut Yeah no it'd be fun But yeah no listen i love. I love what you're doing. And i i got some insight when got toward the. Pi spent some time walking around there. And getting to know you very different. Podcast from the last one in a sense that i i understand how you teach a little bit better and in what you do and what you're doing over there and like i said it's it's an awesome place. I'm looking forward to the renovation. The things that you guys do. It's gotta be fun now. That crowds are coming back in. We had the chance to go sneak to a fight. I should say Before all this kind of broke out. So it's it's fun seeing it back in action. Is it fun for you to kind of have a bit more of the crowd interference and just kinda the the intensity comes back right. Even if you're not in the building no doubt. I mean you can feel it from the fighters they're they're excited about it and you know we're we're an athlete centred institute so as a favor. We feel it's huge. I mean there were so many of them. We got two three weeks and fighting with no crowd. They're like you know what that was actually pretty cool. There was almost like a novelty to is like i could hear my coaches. I could talk shit to my guy. And he was talking shit to me and we could hear it was just that was kinda cool it like a surreal kind of thing. You got about three months into that. They're like where the crowd that when we get in that and action and everyone saw it. I mean our first fight back in jacksonville with a crowd. I mean the first two three fights fighters were just gassing outlining raised because they were so stoked up to be in there. I mean the strike counts. Were through the roof that takedown attempts through the roof. It was just like they had never fought. It was like their debut fight And some of them it was their debut. But there's the energy was so electric because of the crowd the crowd noise and now that's caught back on Every fighter now's oh wait because we've had some with the crowds something. We still had a couple without a crowd and they're like soon as they booked. Wait a minute is that one. Have a crowd. I meant to ask you. Do you have the ability to pump crowd noise into the we. Do they do it a lot. Upstairs in the made him so around the octagon and stuff You know what kind of the first time we did that. One connor was getting ready for the mayweather boxing match and he was upstairs. And they're like you know is anyway. We could replicate some noise. And i don't know how many frigging thousands of dollars of speaker systems are up there. But it's a lotta shit pretty loud and so they did man. They are iraq and music and crowd noise and all kinds of stuff and he distraction as long as we don't have to hear the woods that's any destroy. Any distraction is helpful. I would think is as they've been doing that for years at nfl stadiums too. So it's it's definitely technique. No doubt now. i'm excited. I think i think with the renovation with some of the things to come the crowds coming back. It's going to be a fun summer. And we get another connor. Fight coming up which will be a lot of fun. How involved do you get with connor. When he's in town. Cars got a great team a great staff around him on everybody yep they he brings everyone with them when they come around Super professional group. You know typically as team comes in a little bit early They'll kind of chat through what they're trying to plan out and what they're trying to to run their dr jillian kind of heads up all of his conditioning. Zazi work. so we'll kind of once got a plan coordinated. We'll kind of work with them to establish the schedule and make sure every they have everything they need and just sort of play liaison for them if their stuff. They're looking for because it just like any other training camp man when they're you know sometimes you make alterations on the fly so we're just there to be accessible for them so if we need to have any curve balls and need to make any changes or anything. We're just there to help as much as we can. Is that something where the place has to be emptied out like. He wants supreme privacy. I mean to an extent. He just doesn't want people running up to them. Hey can i take a selfie. Wise in the middle of trying to be focused hit myths or or doing a workout. Or whatever but you know outside of that. I mean every remark. I've heard from a fighter that's in there. they're like. Oh man chad with connor and locker room is frigging super down to earth. Dude any is i mean. He's he's he's about as nice as they come but when it's time to work the dues working and he does not want to be interrupted in. It's just your opinion. Is this it for him. I mean he's got nothing left to conquer you know. I don't know you look at what you do. I mean that's all you can really a matter of. What entertains them right like. What's what do you after it. Could he sit back absolutely. Could he go in and fight a whole bunch of people totally could. It's really boils down. And he's in a position he kinda just do what he wants. Like what do you wanna do But the hard part is a guy like that doesn't wanna fight. You know the top fifteen he wants he wants to fight inside the top five so i think once it gets to a point if they're not offering them anybody inside the top five. I don't know that for him. I think if he wins maybe you see him vie for something because why not. Yeah right if he loses you know maybe he says you know this. Is it sure why continue on our question. Well he's in a great position that he can make that decision. He can do kind of what he wants. He's financially stable. He's got some other avenues of income. Other projects booze sold the pools and In his is family's girl and they just went to five thirty five deep now so He's the most successful. there's no yes. He's i think he is a great example of someone who has capitalized on his likeness. He recognized it early on and he jumped on it. And i mean he what. He's unfolded in terms of revenue and things. The last couple of years. I mean he had been developing that prior to that russian for it and that not everyone has that we have some that have. It may still struggle to do it. He's someone that had it and just executed beautifully. Well i think we all wish we had it right. No doubt. I think we all wish we could Get a bag of money but you lose an as a trainer. You've been around this. You lose some of the vigor for that high level climb. I've said this to you before. Like you want to. You want to progress. You want if you want to influence if you want to jeff if you want to build revenue you to do all those things me personally i wanna do it at a pace atta level where i can protect my image where i can protect my family where i can protect my principles and the things that have built me up to this point so i think you know everyone has the choice to decide what that is like when that pace gets disrupted and they're on a rocket ship to the top. I think you lose some of those things. And that's when certain things get sacrificed and mistakes get made and So yeah. I mean if we ever get that shot. I just hope that it's done at a pace that i'm comfortable with or that. You know that people are comfortable with so that we can still maintain the things that are fundamentally us Yeah you don't wanna lose you know who you are. What makes you you in the process now nutrition wise. You're getting in hunting. deep deep. Almost obsessive almost obsessive deep. Do you believe in that in terms of farming your own food and the close get farm to table or or feel. Two tables is a better thing. I mean is this. Do you have any science behind that or are you just feel that. It's better so there are others. That can definitely speak deeper on the science that me. I grew up around far my my mom's side of the family. We're all farmers. We were always around fresh produce. I mean it had dirt on. It just came out of the field from the vine artificial. When i was a kid there was no artificial mexi. Whatever you picked it for you went back and you got it from the vines. I remember being a kid sitting down for lunch with my dad. He'd walk outside in the garden. Pull of fresh jalapeno bring in slice it up. And that's what we're eating on the side with eaton you know for for a meal that says like we just always had it but there was never any like there was never anything for pest control. There was never like artificial fertilizers. My mom's family they would rotate the fields. So you'd run all the cattle in one field for a year. Whatever it was and then that became the produce field. The next year and the cattle moved to this other field. And you just rotate the fields. The cattle or fertilize in the field. That dirt is fertile. As do you think it gets super dangerous. When like i don't know if bill gates he wants people to eat like fake meat and she had like it's slippery smoke chemicals in this alternative agendas kicking in. I mean if you got all these millionaires that our owning whatever what do they say p factories or whatever. The shit is Yeah they want to make more money. So they're going to do they're going to sway. The public opinion on what food is healthy food is. Let's make a documentary and we'll put that shit out then we'll make the masses. Watch that we'll get one of the biggest platforms like netflix to show it. So it's accessible to everybody right inside their house or by their cell phone or their ipad and other traveling you could see a terrified but so getting down to the science of it. Do i know all this. I know i can tell you. I love the way it tastes. When i've killed an animal. I've cleaned that animal harvested it. I've treated that meet. I've taken care is season. And now i'm i'm feeding it to my. I'm eating it. One thing that feels good to dude tastes amazing. I believe you perform better. On things. Like elkin bison. I know science disclaimer. I have no silent millions of the camera. I have absolutely no science. That backs this up whatsoever. But i just have always believed you know whether it's good farm-to-table l. courts it's bison. I've always felt the meat runs a little cleaner through your system. You feel better eating it And you recover a lot better no science. Yeah i mean look at. My family comes from a hispanic background in native native american background. And look. there's a lot of talk like. Hey if you eat a bear. You're taking some strength from that bear. If you eat a mountain line taking some shrink whatever you know what i mean. So i'm with you. I don't have the science behind that. But i just feel bow whenever i just practicing wasco sharman can feed on hardier things true hardy right the same thing with like fresh broccoli irakli. That's grown not from like hormones and other shit but just real when you bite into it. You're like wow. I just that that's not pre. Those chemicals are fucking scary that they put in shit the old grow like a third eyeball you dick falls off or something you know. He listened to the late. I can't remember the lady's name that was on rogan. She freaked me and my wife out but just talking about the exposure to plastics. Oh average size of the male taint has shrunk by. I don't know fucking else over the last three generations so we're running around holding our kids upside down and we get a measuring tape. I'm like what do you do amount. But that lady scared the hell out of us get away from it. No i mean look at even the healthy things did i eat. So let's say yeah fresh farm-to-table. What's it packaged in plastic. Wrap plastic bags. Whatever my vitamins. Oh everyone needs vitamin where they come in a plastic bottle. Like you can't get away from it. Infants my wife works in a knick. You an nick you hospital. As soon as that baby gets put into an incubator all the tubes that are running all the nutrients Kid and everything. It's all plastic. Every bit of it is like we are. We are light years away from being able to get away from that. It's an if it's as detrimental as what this woman laid it out to be. What's her life's work. I'm sure you'll on. Mosque will find a solution somewhere. You know something. You just won't allow plastic on mars. The possibility it's scary now. The chemical stuff is incre- you could do. We go down a rabbit hole in nutrition. We could spend an hour down there. That's that's easy. But i agree with you. I think something to be said about the farm to table aspect the homegrown bringing in preparing it yourself and in doing it all yourself has something to be said about it and i think my hope was that darren covert. We moved more towards that. And i thought that there was that possibility with the movement to get outside. Everything else I love that. You're getting into in a hunting deeper. And i think In time that's going to play into some of your knowledge. I think you'll be able to do because you just when you dive in the stuff you tend to dig deeper. And i think you'll start to look more into the nutrition and you're knowledgeable guy and you'll piece it all together and you'll be like a consume the bear and now i'm stronger. You eat the bear the berries you rank right so we'll see the bear now. My yuna brown gets thicker now. Who built a rifle ballistic advantage down in florida shameless plug man a freaking love. Those guys i mean. Look it's awesome. They built me just an incredible piece of engineering. But getting the hang out with clinton Around in adam and adam around the fight night we got to take him to a fight. I mean just super cool dues you listen to them how they built their business and what. They're passionate about That when i put my finger on that trigger. And i think about their story. And i think about where that thing came from this is. This is a long line of engineering. I can't imagine what they started with when when clinton was first born out cry for them the barrel game strong crack for them so it just to me it man. It was a super cool to get to meet them firsthand. Listen to where that came from. And then a few weeks later to be able to put that piece of hardware my hand. It's amazing what goes into a you take for granted the engineering involved in everything. And it's there's a lot and the development of those guys aren't stopping what they're producing now. Is you know it's just upgrading year-by-year and they're they're pushing. I mean they were. They were pushing all through covert and you. That stuff is admirable those products. You wanna buy those. Are the things that you want to have in your safe. Does the things that you want to have at home. I think it's i think it serves the need. I think it serves tremendous nina out. Hunting is going to be one huge aspect to fill in the nutritional blocks. And i'm very interested in how that plays out now with all that being said. What's next for you in the ufc. You got this renovation coming up. Yeah so We you know the renovation is like a. it's a project it's a chore. It's a it's going to allow us to be able to get into some some other things but Aside from that. I mean we're anxious to get back into the routine of live fights people being at live fights and having a lot of our restrictions lifted. So it's easier to get fighters visit with us. Everyone thinks that owes its covid. But you know all these athletes had exclusive access to the pi. All the time. And that's just not the case. We had a lot of red tape around what we could do. In order to keep commissions happy to keep our you know our events safe so if we had a fight here in town at the apex there were certain our certain days and times where the facility was blocked off for fighters on that fight card only so other fighters couldn't come in and then we would have this whole disinfection period between the time when those fighters got done in the house the fireworks could come in so it was a lot of hoops to jump through. If you're you know you're like oh for free. Have all these free food and on. Yes but if you're coming in from new york or if you're coming in from florida and you come to the pi to be told that you actually only have access to the facility three or four hours out of the day. You can't go get your food. We can deliver it to you. You know. there's just some things like it's not worth it. I don't want to take that trip. So a lot of ways our volume was down a little bit Now we quickly got into a groove where we were figuring out ways around some of those loopholes to keep interaction high. But we're anxious to get back into that high of interaction with our roster now going forward after the renovation. It's going to create a much more malleable environment. That you'll be able to do a lot more. It's going to be a lot of fun. i think. I think how these cards play out of the year. Plays out for you guys. I think i think will be interesting. I'm still rooting for you. Know a lot of these different parts that we know about coming up in some that we don't and people that we know Do you ever have any favorites that you train man. I get this question a lot. It's a touchy one right. You don't want an alien anybody but you do get favorites pretty quickly when i got jumped on with the ufc. Got out of you. Just don't you just get to a point. You're not motivated by like necessarily a fighter winning or how many wins. They have or how quickly their streak into the top with what we do. Every day. we wanna see results. We want to see improvement and progress. So the ones that are my favorites. They're the ones that are consistently making the most progress. They're the ones that are giving the science a chance giving the planning and the preparation the cohesion and the harmony of all these services. Give annetta chance. That's what that's where the evolution of the sports coming from. Have you installed your nutrition program at the highest level with what we think. You're martial arts. Training is at the highest level. What's that look like when those two were married. How how perfected can that get or when you're installing an appropriate strengthening conditioning program with nutrition with your intimate training like so those are the ones. That are my favorites. So you know. are frequent flyers. The the jessica is the joe. Joe calderwood's the francis and gone news. These are the danny gays. These ones that they spend a lot of time there and they're not just there because it's free they're there because they're involved in the process. They're investing in their careers. They're investing in and their process and trying to perfect with and these are all people that are experienced. I've listed on the exception of france's. They're all have they've battled through the ami ranks they battled through other leagues. Smaller leagues danny gates coming from the contender series. Like the you know. They've worked their way through. They're trying to really refine their approach. And how they get ready for fights And we have a lot of them. The list goes on. We have a tunnel and we have almost thirty. I think we're in the mid thirty thirty five thirty six. What i call resident athletes. That are here the majority of the year if not live here full time and they are highly highly involved in the process all the time. I don't know how you can't. Maybe i'm naive. I mean there are some. I mean i had kevin lee probably laugh at me. Here's this but when the first couple weeks we were opening. I'm talking to kevin lee and he's like why would i work with you your free. My guys like a couple of hundred bucks a month or whatever why. Why wouldn't i woke up on whatever it is. It's i was. But i get it. I totally resonated with that. Like i understand. Man why would you you know. Obviously if that costs something it must be worth more right right and now you know kevin lease in our program. He's in our in our doors every single day i would have said this cost you a lot so much complain about your pay. Yup there's some of that but you know it's like anything else you have to get. You have to give it a chance at first and then you have to take that chance and really get involved in a lot of ways. That's how we're graded as professionals is based on retention. It's not like okay. How many wins and losses does have. It's how much have you been able to retain someone's attention so that you can influence how their training and preparing because ultimately that's why the institute is there it's to it's to accelerate the evolution of the sport. And you can't do that if you're not influencing fighters the behaviors their training behaviors and that's ultimately what were there to do. I selfishly wish and hope that the ultimately long-term gets gets opened up to alumni into the folks that have graduated the retired within the u. of and we've had a bunch of them. I mean we've had a lot of them. Come through that it really is. it boils down. If they're interested. Come through and then sell them. It's like i'm not train them. We mount long-term time retired. Yeah pull the retirement card. I'm retired retirement. Looks like i open man. I think it was the first year. Second year. Eve's edwards came in eve's was still doing some some announcing commentating and he's like i'm going to be here for two weeks i can just like be a part of the system. Just throw me in like assure so we worked with eve's for a couple of awesome. I mean he was he was doing cardio. Regimens doing a weightlifting regiment. He was going into was doing recovery. I mean the whole nine just to get a taste of man. What does this look like. I never that this stuff didn't exist. My competed so we had a couple of those. They've been fun and now day they recently. I think it's recently. What did they legalize weed now. Right yes is that a big. Is that an effect on train. I haven't paid attention too much. I can tell you. We have a lot of fighters that indulge in marijuana but whether the get smart whether well it depends because some have an approach around recovery and winding down in that kinda thing and then others are just massive recreational users. So it's like at what point one point one point. Do you guys start to plug in some science behind that. We honestly haven't we haven't dove in a whole lot. it should. It's just not one of our highest level priorities in terms of what we're researching at the moment. I mean a lot of our big ticket. Items revolve around concussion. concussion protocols things that are on the farther end of the health spectrum as we're trying to preserve our clientele's so we haven't gotten that that far into the whole think it'd be an interesting study but i can tell you you know studies or developing around both the use of marijuana the use of of hallucinogenics and you know it's going down that road We're just not very deep in it. Yes yeah i think i think the nail on the head. It's gonna. I have to be classified by recreational users in those that use it for a covering. Because they're two very different things Some people can justify a lot you know as you know and would any any substance and some people understand that there is a place for recovery and and winding down like you said some people are high intensity individuals and there could be some benefits to them kind of cohen down. But it's that would be one of the more interesting studies and it they go put you guys on a very cutting edge To get kinda where that all fits. And in how you'd segregate it and kind of compartmentalize a lot of that knowledge. It's getting there. We've got a couple of our executives are getting into that those conversations with companies that are diving deeper into the research around it so more to come dun dun dun all right listen we gotta go eat plug every to plug let everybody know they can find you and Let's go eat some food. Sounds good. I mean you can find me and las vegas at sixty six fifty south torrey pines and that's probably real. My handles bo dot. Sandoval feel free shoe. Dm i always tell people man. I really work my butt off to answer all my. Dm's occasionally i'm slow. I think it's funny every now. And then when i answer a question and then the guy's like man really. Thanks for answering my question. That was three you real. That was three months ago. But i'm like. I'm i apologize. I just but i will work my butt off to answer them. All i love conversing love sharing and talking to other professionals that are that are going through the same learning curve that we're going through so My twitter handles only strength Can hit me on that as well other than that. It's about it. You want you active on twitter issue. Strike me as an actor. I would attack you. I should go minister tag anyway. Listen thank you yes sir. Appreciate you coming out. This is a good one. Love being out here here so much we got to record every now and again it only makes sense and i'm gonna wear my my heart monitor thing you're gonna show me on that works we're gonna i'm gonna get healthy guys slowly working on. I'm i'm as good as dead anyway. I appreciate everyone appreciate all the sponsors head over to wwl dot com or dot com. Go check complete sponsors. I want to think a few of them now. Gal technologies rhino. Metals blackwater ammunition. Ca gear up usa. Go by m. c. 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UF285: Max Holloway and Lou DiBella

UFC Unfiltered with Jim Norton and Matt Serra

1:05:02 hr | 2 years ago

UF285: Max Holloway and Lou DiBella

"Welcome to UFC, unfiltered, the team is finally reassembled. We have a boxing promoter. Lou Bella on the phone. We also have the great max Holloway on the phone. What max max? And I joke around a lot matinee joke around a lot. Chris interjects unpleasantly. Throughout this away. The nobody is sitting chasing that finish. Always. This is you have see on filtered. And now your hosts Jim Norton and mad, Sarah. Good afternoon. My voice sounds a little better still rough. So I apologize for not being all last week. I give these guys a late notice earn nauseous that morning. I left the radio show ninety minutes into those throw up. So I'm back now, I might have to take antibiotics my voices still will scratchy. So it doesn't it sound sexual woman when I whispering ear. Yeah. I'll say sexy. Daddy, a hug. Yeah. Yeah. What does she say? Sarah fucking makes you along those lines. Yeah. Good to see you, man. We have a good show. They Luda Abella who's boxing promoter and kind of legend in boxing. I like Lou though, I've met. No, I met him once at some vendor Holyfield documentary, and he really cares about boxers. Allot Houston, critical of you have see I don't think he is more. I only know 'cause I don't follow boxing. You know, followed it back in the day with Mike Tyson and the good old days with evade the Holyfield's trilogy with Riddick Bowe. That's what I watched, you know, teenager. But. He was he had that debate with Joe Rogan. It was on ESPN. Correct. Was which is so funny. It is funny. Because now that was how long ago ten. Yeah. The video that's on YouTube that comes up if you just type in Louisville Joe Rogan says it was supposed to two thousand eight so probably around there around one around a decade ago. What? So it's a long time ago. So I wanna see his opinions changed because I remember in that debate. He was basically saying it's a street fight in a cage and people on other excuse human first of all Jimmy watching. What did you human cockfight? Oh, I'm sorry to get your hopes up. Well, now, by the way this Wednesday. This Wednesday is his event is is going to be on five passed. So obviously, he's kind of buried the hatchet. Jimmy cockfighting took my pants off. And sorry, everybody started off slow plug it into it. We also have. Yes, we also have a champ goodness max Holloway. I love he will have them for a few minutes. He squeezing us in because he's a very good. Who's he what's he doing? Chris who you call first coffee. We got Luke is. Maxed coming on Israel out of sign you schedule. But he has a flight issue. So we're hoping this. We do we have Lou dibella on the phone. Developed high Lil you're talking to Jim Norton and Matt Serra from UFC unfiltered. Gentlemen. How are you? I know you don't know me. I think I met you once what was the Vander Holyfield who are some kind of documentary might have been with him Bernard Hopkins Hopkins heroes. Yes. And it was like some dinner afterwards or some lunch. Right. Right. Well, what was that about it, just three champions? And what they would. What was I don't remember? To be honest with you, remember the premise of it. But it was like, I guess it was about how every fighter has a story. And it was like it was like centered on it was supposed to be set it on all three of them. But it sort of wound up being more centered on Tyson for not Hopkins was fighting. So he was not at that event. Well, how old was he when he finally stopped? We fifty one during his last fight. I don't even know I promoted him years ago, we had a complicated relationship. Great fighter all Famer wanna great middleweights ever live. He and I had some bumps in the road. I thought I did real well for him and and by him, and we wound up having a a big public hassle it caused me to have to him. But I think at the moment he, and I are cool. I mean, you know, what man holding a grudge and having hey towards somebody that really likes it wants hurting, you you know, what I mean? And and and you know, I think he and I haven't to to at least create a detente. And I'm pretty cool with having that they thought, but as a fighter man, he's he's you know, he's the first ballot hall. Famer he's a, you know, one of the greatest middleweight so ever live. And I think the reason you you know, that he was able to fight so late and and and be so good for so long was his defensive brilliance and how little little punishment. He took career. I mean, you know, other than Floyd Mayweather, you'd be hard pressed to fight another guy who had that kind of career taking that little punishment, and we had met you. And I met briefly that documentary what should we realize chance with about himself, and Tyson and Vander Holyfield? And I've always thought like I mean, not big Mike Tyson fan. But I wish that that Holyfield and Larry Holmes for two guys that were always kind of overrated underrated in the eyes of history. People don't give Larry Holmes is due for some reason. And I wonder if you're you're. You're you're. Counts Holyfield's legitimately in my mind. One of the top ten heavyweights of all time and pound for pound. He goes into a really shortlist with like, Joe, Louis, and and my view and Robinson. Well, I mean, I'm talking about heavyweight with miraculously no Holyfield guys that were smaller heavyweights even at their time. I mean, Joe Louis was not a huge, man. And by the way, he's he's probably the greatest heavyweight of all time other than maybe I Lee. And the only reason he's underrated is because he's universally not recognized as one or two which he is. I mean, Joe Louis was his greatest anybody that ever box in the heavyweight division, and certainly you can make arguments with him in mom Holyfield was was cruiserweight. And really, you know, when he started his career gray cruiserweight, but he was fighting in an era of big heavyweights. I mean, Tyson wasn't a you Chevy way. But the Lennox Lewis's. And the the brick bows were you, you know, where that that? I wave of us heavyweight cruiserweight because they don't have that you have sake. Cruiserweight is what in Basel? Awesome. Well years ago when it would've Andrew was cruiserweight. It was under one ninety now cruiserweight is under two hundred. Okay. So the way classes has evolved a little bit. But I mean, he was a smaller do, but like the heart of a lion, and you know, a tremendous tremendous fighter. Larry Holmes had that unfortunate problem following Lee. And he and being a great heavyweight that literally immediately follow LA. In fact, you know, beat Ali when beat a shadow of I Lee and then cried after he cried about an after he really really did. Title is greatest jab maybe in the history of the heavyweight division. Tremendous like his jab was an incredible weapon. Great fighter and under. Appreciate look following a mama. Lease almost in the past the -bility. And and also like Larry had a lot of personality would sing and dance. He was but I'll leave it was incredibly beautiful, man. Like this physical specimen had some well-spoken. Like, you know, cutting edge athlete in every way. I mean, they're really you can make the argument that there was no athlete in any sport. That was like leave before Ellie home say things that would really piss people off to mush out or not carrying his jock. And just things that didn't ingratiate people to him. Yeah. But I mean, you know, to be honest back, then I mean, if you're you're black heavyweight champion talking about a white heavy which happy, and you weren't going grey, shade yourself anybody, especially especially when you're declaring superiority, but to be honest with you if you look at Larry, Holmes and style, and how we fought and his is reached and all that other stuff and Marciano who was a little bit more of a one dimensional heavyweight even though he was great. But he was you know, honestly, Larry Holmes probably would've been a nightmare for rocky Marciano. And also just one question to the weight, cutting boxing. They seem to have a better handle on it. And what are they doing different than what some of the enemy fighters doing as far as the percentage you have to be before? Because they don't say it's all bullshit that they don't have a better handle on. They really don't. Okay now. They really don't. There was some rules about like thirty. They weigh ins and sixty they weigh ins, but people brought blow those way all the time. And there are no real ramifications. You know, the people are still game. Ding, eighteen twenty pounds between away in. That's you know, somewhere usually around twenty four to thirty hours before the fights. And you have you have fights all the time that we're one guy walk in the ring, you know, you'll have a welterweight fight and one guy walks in at one hundred supposed to be one hundred forty seven pound limit and you'll have one guy walking in the ring the night of the fight at one fifty one. When the other guy will walk in almost a light heavyweight in one seventy so I mean, I it's it's it's a it's a significant problem in in boxing the same way. It's a significant problem Nemi. I think you may have guys that are like like closer to death to make the weight. Yeah. The way you weigh in. But, but our guys are blowing up, and you have like the way classes are a really often a complete, you know, sort of falsehood. You know, if you're saying this one fifty four pounds limit. But one guy's walking in the ring the night of the fight at at one sixty and the other guys walking in and one eighty five does work something's wrong. And honestly, I think weight loss and weight and size different differential or two of the most significant health and safety problems and in combat sports in general, but certainly in boxing, the it's just you two guys of of fairly equal skill level. And one of them's walking in the ring weighing twenty five twenty pounds more than the other that that ain't a fair fight, you know, size matters. You know, no matter what you grow front tells you I mean. Tells me size matters. Yeah. But also the matters to combat sports, come know. Come on, you know, in the heavyweight division, whether guys to sixty or two thirty or whatever I, you know, that's that's less problematic in the you're always going to have that kind of situation. But when you're looking at guys that are, you know, a guy that's basically able to probably not in a healthy manner. But condition his body to to make a way in and then get into a ring twenty five pounds later twenty four hours later twenty five putts more twenty four hours later and outweighs opponent by over two way classes, it's not safe. And frankly, it can look I never thought Mikey Garcia headed. I love Mikey Garcia where my favorite fighters. I would've told data white not the bed Mikey Garcia because his greatest Mikey cassia was. There was a quite of different size between Garcia and Spence. And you could argue also probably Spence edge if they were the same size. But, but really when you know people are complaining about my performance in that fight people formed to get through the fight. I mean, he performed to survive because the way he performed was the only way that was going to get him till the final bell. I think a lot of a lot of times with these other mega the UFC specifically this way classes, so like a guy like myself could afford at one sixty a lot more comfortable than I was fighting at one fifty five yet. I got the title at one seventy I wasn't. I was freaking small one seventy. So because there's more weight classes in the boxing guys aren't looking like they're about like Ghalem as much you know, what I mean? Do you see it? And the funny part is everyone's looking for an advantage. So I'm not so sure like if I had it my way, I'm not so sure I wouldn't be the way of USA like, I think that I may be of the mind that there might be too many way classes. You know? Medium there? Maybe like, you know, when you when you start getting into like you have one eighteen one twenty two twenty six the four power differentials. I dunno. I in the old days the boxing. There were fewer way class. You know? Now, you have way classes out was to and you have. Four different organizations, declaring champions. And then you have multiple some of these organizations declaring two and three champions at the same time. So, you know, I actually think they're too many champions in boxing. Let me as you your opinion. Now, if it changed at all from back in the day ages ago when you had this debate with Joe Rogan with FEMA vers boxing. That's all I remember you when I heard you on the show, and when heard you come in show. Eight the bring it up. But as an EMMY guy God that's the box and promoted that was on the thing with Joe. So a lot of EMMY guys will say that's how they're going to you know. Sports. Yeah. A hundred percent, did you know? And I think it's I, you know, and look I watched now I'm not I'm not say I'm a fan. I mean, I might be a casual probably because I'm in the combat sports industry. Probably watch as much as a casual may fan would watch. But you know, there guys I enjoy watching. I get I get mixed. Martial arts a lot more than than I got them years ago until I started leaving my training sessions. Beaten to a pulp the lion the lion ice water. I was taking a semi lessons for while. From guy named Glenn Ruben on Long Island whose great great great set say. I have to admit I gave up, but it gave me a new appreciation for for a lot of what goes on and octagon or or in a cage, and you know, I feel differently. I mean, I'm not I'm still not a huge fan. But I, but I do feel differently. They're there guys. I, you know, there are certain MA fighters. I enjoy watching more than others. I I like the stand up gaming and the kicking probably a little bit more than like the grappling. Did you? Yeah. I think I think you know, my attitude is absolutely volved. Lou you buddy Glen on Long Island. Did he show you any jitsu at all? No. I mean, he showed me a lot of stuff, and he he was he crossed all sorts of disciplines. It actually had a great shape for while. But then I like, I I mean, I really got to a pulp. You know, I like wild up with torn ligaments, and I was coming back. I could barely walk. Hey, I'm dude. I'm fifty eight years old, man. It's like shit just doesn't like recover the same way. You know, I wanna say sorta like like pumped out, but I pumped out. Also wanted to ask you about boxing to one thing with boxing. I used to love it. And I for me, I'm much more. You've seen him. I may now the box. Okay. One thing you get a better chance of of like getting an honest decision. And it's funny. Well, it's funny. That's exactly the direction. I'm going. Chance of of watching something. And and and you watch that you you pretty much could tell who won. And then they announced the decision and the right one. And and you know, I said this many times, and I don't wanna shit on people that work in my own industry. But I would for the most part can take three grammar school kids situate them around the ring like they're judges and just say which man or woman one, and I'm gonna trust that decision for them to trust the scores of most boxing judge because I don't watch a lot of boxing anymore. The last fight. I watched Alvarez against triple g. And I thought that you know, what I haram Indus decision. And the I guess it was the one woman who had soared to the first time. I watched the last one I do they fight again. Even know they forty what happened in the second one twice before spy. There was no question. And I think that's probably the fight. You're talking bird Adalaide Byrd. And I got nothing against Elaine. Eighty. She's probably a nice lady as a nice family. Probably a nice person. She's like, they're her decision stink with consistency. Why is she still judging? Yes town, and here's the answer only in boxing. Oh, there is there's no like checks and balances on. And by the way, they're also like I'm a promoter. So I could take advantage of it. But I'm not a fucking dirt back. I'm just not not who I am. I I don't want to affect the decision and a fucked up way. But, but when there are no standardized hotel, accommodations or or travel combinations and promoter can put a particular judge in a motel six or put the same judge in the Ritz Carlton, you know, that wouldn't have that doesn't happen with referees or officials in other sports, and and then you have judges and officials going to conventions for the for the ratings organizations that give out the belt, so the official sort of know, who's the big money attraction who's. The guy that everybody wants to win. And there's there there. You know? Canelo. Gets the benefit of every decision. The first Canelo. Triple g fight was in a trough city of judging. I mean, I mean anybody in their right mind to watch that I fight discussing the Cannella won the fight doesn't know shit right now. The second fight a little bit different. And in in boxing. We used were so used to robberies and we're so used to messed up scoring that people scream robbery constantly visit difference between a close fight that reasonable people can disagree on at a robbery. The first Cannella triple g fight was a robbery triple JI won that fight. And and the decision wasn't righteous. The second fight I for triple g like squeaked it out. I had him ahead by pointer to but it was so close that it reasonableness. I wouldn't call the fact that Kello the decision the second find a robbery I would just say was close by tonight and see at the same way. Why she on that issue? Judge the second fight too. Remember, mental pay attention. But like, I want to be honest with you, it's it's really messed up because you can't or you almost cannot watch a boxing card any longer without seeing some example of horrendous judging on that card. I mean, it's not a an infrequency. I it's there's way too much regularity of bad scoring, and I wanna tell you something I like more so than the emergence people for while wanted to say, oh MA is gonna gonna hurt boxing. That's one of the things. I think that I was right about Joe was wrong about when we had that the beta long time ago boxing's done to it self 'em as not done anything to boxing. Done it to it. So hold on. I agree. And I disagree because I think I think the one thing that I made us so well is they give you fights that you want to see. So they're taking the proactive stance and making a fight happen. When the fans wanted boxing is also gone the opposite not done it. Done it using a legal term about to say is not in the legal sense. Even though it went to law school. It's it's it's in the the the the common kind of okay. The UFC has a quarter on the market for a lot to a large. You know, it's almost a monopoly. It's not a legal monopoly. But it's it's got the most powerful by far entity in mixed martial arts. I mean, it's not killing the UFC. When when Bella tore come or come back. They athlete, you know, can't compete with the UFC ethnic because the majority of the biggest names and the top guys are fighting UFC. So and also when you're in a position of control, you know, you could pretty much 'cause the guy to have to fight another guy. Boxing's got no, alternate thority. It's got no one organization. It has no most powerful entity. It's the wild fucking wild west. And it always has been and that's one of the things. That's that's work to the detriment of the sport. There's nobody looking out for the. The, you know, the betterment of the of the industry is the whole, and there's nobody really look it out for the fans and also what promoting too because you have your your your on fight pass. Correct. Yeah. I've been doing since I became a boxing promoter. And I I left HBO where I was for most of the for the nineteen nineties pretty much had had a programming for HBO boxing, and I was buying the the boxing HBO. Unfortunately, it should be is now gone out of the boxing business. But since I've been on my own doing about him series in the New York area, primarily call Broadway, boxing, its longest running grassroots boxing show in the country. And I think it's one of the best and we're gonna I'll be this Wednesday night. April will be the first one that's going to be streamed onto you if I passed, and I'm pretty excited that you have see five press is going to be doing some more boxing, and I'm excited that they're going to be picking up the series at least for few shows to check it out Dane is a big boxing fan and he used to box years ago. He may have started in Boston as a boxing promoter little. Davis a legit boxing fan. He, and I like, you know, had a dialogue for years and talked about the sport and stuff and his son. I think is boxing. Yeah. I think so I think it's sons doing some boxing as an amateur now, and then Dana has used boxing as a workout. He's in Japan. They look to some degree. I think Rogan's Fanta, and I'd love to go to Rogan's podcast and hang out with him for our two there'd be probably be amusing legit boxing fan. I know I know very well for a long time. And I we we did something I think we watch the g Alvarez fight together on one of his podcasts. Now, he's real go back to the first triple cheat the first fight which ripple G and Cannella when you sit there, and you watch enough Letica that and you know, what you saw and you enjoyed it. And you're waiting for the decision that that comports with what your eye balls registered? And then they announced something that is just not in in the realm of possibility and for any reasonable person that you hear scores that that are not at all reasonable like that sort of takes away the joy. Of that competition. It made me not like boxing that like knowing that the corruption that is existed again, maybe not as much as it used to. But that outside stuff made me not enjoy boxing anymore. And I guess one you have was there. I had something. Now, I could watch. And I just I couldn't enjoy boxing for the same as they used to. And I think that we have to there's the the problems that I would have identified. Here's the problem FOX the problems, I would have identified twenty five years ago or the problems that would have identified fifteen years ago or the problems that would've identified five years ago, they're still the fucking problems. And we haven't addressed them. And we haven't fixed them and there still too many terrible decisions. They're they're still they're still too many conflicts of interest. There's there's there's what appears to be corruption. And if it's not corruption it's utter incompetence, and there's no excuse for incompetent people to be appointed time and time again to the same positions. So you know, we got we gotta do better. I think it's a great product though. I think it's a great sport. I mean, I still I love oxygen. I just don't like the politics of it as a fan. What? I five junction -able as a fan. Is the kind of stuff? It doesn't surprise me. Turns off a lot of people. You know, I I my shoulders because I'm so used to it man, I've been a little bit hard by thirty years. Nearly thirty year be thirty years in December in the boxing business. I mean, I'm frigging jaded, but you know, other people have alternatives now. And and I think we got the best product, but you know, what we solely solely product, and we thirty it. And we we make it a little bit less attractive by not policing ourselves. Well, right. Well, I'm happy guys going to be on the UFC fight past life streaming that everybody's getting along now. Yeah. You know what? I mean who would have thought it back in the day sports. You like sports. You know what I mean? Mixed. Martial arts. Stand up boxing. You know, punching striking is part of the skill set for a good MA fighter. And and like, I know that I may fans can appreciate terrific boxer. I think that even boxing fans, we are people that are conditioned to enjoy combat sport. And when I gave 'em a chance, and I started, you know, what I mean there there are people I could like pass on 'cause I just don't like their style of of a fighting. But that's the same is true in boxing. I don't I don't tend to like is that all defense and run around the ring avoiding punches without being aggressive. You know? I don't I don't I don't enjoy somebody goes right to the ground. Now. Now, Lou, I know that's not your thing. I'm fifty and I'm not trying to make it your thing. But let me throw this out there low I live in Long Island, New York. I got a couple of will kademi. I'm though Joe schmo. Oh, I don't want to brag about who. The fuck. I am. But I'm a hell of Famer former champion you Google after this Liu. But let's yes, Jim north you. You're not Jim knowing if you wanna do a lesson with me, I guarantee you you'll be strangling me. I'll teach and you learn the gentle oughta jitsu, you might fall in love with it. Lou. I really was when I was training it I was sort of enjoying it. Look, I'm not I'm not the kinda guy that can go to gym and like play with machines, like I need to do something that engages me like I when I I was in much better shape, when I was younger guy, I was playing softball, and and and you know, basketball with the guys even my thirties. But like what you know when it comes down to going to a gym and just having to discipline to do like circuits and stuff like that. I find it boring as hell what I what I started training with with Glenn. I got myself at some really good shape pretty quickly because the band, but also, you know, I enjoyed it. It was like learning learning stuff and learning a new discipline. It's sort of fun. So yeah, I might take over. One more question before we let you go and just just Easter time, but you have Broadway box. Check it out. Fan. Check out a little boxing. Yeah. Yeah. Tobel entertainment Broadway makes you support that one more question, and you may or may not know this when I was fighting to be legalized, and it really fought hard tooth and nail was boxing in any kind of a way fighting the legalisation of. You know, what man, you know? And I'll tell you something not that people wouldn't have wanted to. But there is so little like boxing doesn't do anything as an industry. Okay. There is no like unified front, whether it's fighting something or supporting something or trying to change something. So like that's really giving the true. Like do. I think people wanted to see 'em a legalized or a lot of people have sure did. Where people out there actively fighting it. No because boxing, doesn't have his shit together enough to go out there and actively fight anything. All right. Well, Lou honest. You're not as guy man, and I really really enjoyed talking to you. So thank you. Call and good luck with this. I hope this works out. I actually think it's a cool thing that that five passes is starting to to I wanna say brace box. 'cause obviously it's primarily streaming service. But but like it cooperate boxing into the programming that is putting out there because you know. Boxing, is one of the one of the disciplines as is, you know, jujitsu as as are many other disciplines that are incorporated into UFC M A. And and we saw like the crossover potential of would kind of Gregor jumped over to fight Mayweather. And it gets villian people bought that. And by the way, McGregor disgrace themselves. Now ask you about that before he did better than a lot of people thought he would do. Yeah. I mean, he, you know, he trades. Seriously. He trains, well, I don't think Floyd ever really thought that that that Connor had viable chess. But but I think that that boys. Also at the Taylor. I don't think he takes the event to the sense of letting Qatar look really really good. I just think he turned on the, you know, I think he turned on that the spigot and open that faucet somewhere in the middle of the fighter or you know, it wasn't surprised to get the way it did. But but clearly Connor had a game plan and he executed pretty well. And you know, Qatar's not a bad stand up fighter. And you have a lot of other. Look, I watch you see I see men and women like let me tell you something had to do. This could be the hell hell of a female boxer. Yeah. So I if someone a real serious box traitor got whether on the discipline. I mean there there are and there are other, you know, like, you know, most people pay more attention to how much we did the brother smoke than the fact that they were pretty good stand up fighters. Dick, particularly had a pretty good stand up game. I think Nick could have been about, sir. And I think that there are a lot of guys and women in in mixed. Martial arts who have enough striking ability at a sense of of strategy for their stand up game that with the appropriate trading could compete about saying be world champions, but compete on a high level about it. All right. Little y'all. We appreciate it. Hopefully, talk to you again and really regret having you on. Take care. Yeah. We got I talk to him all day, we got matched Holloway very very shortly. And only for a short period of time. Listen, why not turning them Max's kind of smart meter? He's great though, I love max. And he likes us me in particular. That's I'm just making that up the folk mass that was just over their training. Yeah. I want to ask him about that. When he fought Dustin poor the first that was very first time in the US was huge a kid. You know, the man champion. Champion. He's he's I don't know. Why Chris won't put him on the fat surpri? I'll we got do. We have max Holland the phone right now, we speak in. Hey, buddy. It's Jim and Matt how're you doing? So I've champ. How you doing good? We are extremely site for this fight. I wanted to ask you to because we we watched your first fight with dusted. And again that was your first you have see fight you so much younger than what is your mentality. Going into this first rematch with the guy who's actually beating you. You know, I I me you need to put it away. I know I know you. Put that thing away though. I can't help it. I don't thing anything to you might be doing it. But. Put that thing away. Not only enjoy it. Mass took it out. First of all, you can't prove that any Macs. Just hanging out with algebra that true out the funk mass, the funk master invaded Hawaii. Yeah. Yeah. He's a man. I love oh, we're talking about. He's the dope. Listen, man. You guys treat you treat him. So good over there, man. He has a great time. I'm afraid he's not gonna come back though, when he goes over there. Go back. We love them. They're so we love trainer. It'll great guy. He loves our food. He loves the coaching embraces us, and we're going to embrace him. Good people. You know, water seeks its own level. That's why you guys hanging out. You guys are both could be here. Thank you. So so how are you going into this this rematch with again because you you haven't lost soul long? Does it change anything because of your first fight mentality? Going into this with. You know, not really man, there's another fight. You know, like, I said, you know, all these guys cupcakes some years ago ahead. I I got I got the taste this cupcake. It takes two good, you know, hopefully, this time around as much better. You know, it's funny. When I first four new you have see I had eight fights I smoke, the guys they kinda didn't know the Shitsu so good that I forgot what experience like schone Carter who had allied so many fights. I had such tunnel vision. I remember like yesterday. I got over over time you experienced takes that away. But just the the lights in your facial walking out the nervousness of the promotion of the big show of the USC, really fucked. With me, I'm going to be honest with you max your first fight in. The you see was Dustin. How was your Yuli at four fights? How was the experience compared to that? I'm walking not even the fight. Just the experience of walking out that you have the tunnel vision. Yeah. Branches was crazy. You know? It was crazy you, you know, you know, the the UC brings us down in before the fight for two hours to get us there like two and a half hours early to the fight. We got the screen in the back. We're watching the fight, and it's empty, you know, if I was going on was empty, and I remember Steven one wonder boys, that's the one that. He did he the main him. I think we made our debut the same day. And he did that kick over the show. They knock someone out and it was like empty when he was out there. And I was like, okay. Not too bad. You know? And then we started getting ready started warming up. And then we went to walk out. The thing was food to the Gill. I was like oh my God. I went from. I went from zero to two hundred you know, is is a Nick the Nick card versus Condit. And it was crazy. You know, watching it back then like, oh, it's not too bad. Not too much people here. And then me and men doesn't headlining the FX card. And then we walk out. And it's like, oh my gosh. What what am I doing, you know? And then I get to I get to octagon. I remember Brusca announcing me and looking at them like schilling weaken, the knees. I was like do not think on national TV is going to be terrible MAC don't do that. And in order, you'll see dinners. I don't know some people say they don't got him. But it's definitely it's definitely definitely real for me. And now, you what is the way cut life? You not because you have to cut ten less pounds. So you just walking around ten pounds heavy than you normally would or you just like I can't wait for this way. Cut is not gonna be as bad. Yeah. You know? I can't wait, you know, especially in this camp was we had some time to put on a little muscle. You know, I'm not I'm not big big. You know, like when big bore for forty five highway say, but it just another week 'cause another fight you another thing. You know, I feel great for good. And I just can't wait to go and do damned thing tonight. And I know you haven't fought it this way yet. So it's easy to say. We'll do you wanna stay there or do you wanna go back down and? Fan. I guess it depends on how this goes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We see what happens. You know? Then they, you know, I can't defend stone. You know, I got I gotta don't defend down there. And I was talking about it. You know, if if you see if you'd see one to take that pattern me, they would send over a contract with with a forty five name on it. And that's what we would've took, you know. But no, they they send over this contract. And that's what we did. You know, there's guys like, I know there's guys like an auto that Alex guy and couple of other people, you know. But right now, they they don't got there. I don't think so any of them got any they only one one win in the in the top ten or top five guys. You know? So I think so you have seen this once debate little, you know, let let them for. And we see what happens. You know? I'm looking at you know, Dustin being currently on this five fight on beaten streak with Jim Miller Alvarez, Anthony Pettis, Justin gateway. And any Alvarez again. And and I'm going to bring that up to you. But then I'm like fuck do you on a thirteen fight win streak? You forgot how to lose my man. I mean is that is that is that why you're so confident? Is that I mean. I've been I've been confident my whole life. I've been telling everybody I'm a champion. You know, I've been carrying myself as a champion. I just need it. I need, you know, fifteen pounds to go to to prove to the world, you know? But I knew my team knew we all knew this opportunity. You know, this was for a chart and heritage, you know, he's a killer killer. I can't I can't wait to go on there and have fun with him. You know, he he wants he wants them big names. And I can't wait. I can't wait. There's a confidence is key in this. You know, mental game is key in this game. You know, once you once you out of it once you mentally not there, then you check out, you know, and I'm always mentally in the fight. I'm was mentally in training. And can't wait to do it. When something went down when something like that happens the first loss mounted on. Do you say to yourself? No matter. What happens? That's never gonna happen to me again. Yeah. You know, for for sure, you know. I thought if I thought maybe maybe a day or so off. I went back and did a gym. And I put myself in like a thousand triangles. Just to get this to just to get out. You know, they a lot of people. They don't understand, you know, you need to put yourself in in these in the situations when you're training. So when you go out there when you go to the game time you've been there you've been you've been doing this. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go and and practice roundhouse kick followed in time. And then go there and try chore. Spinning back kick then practice that it is doesn't happen. Like that. You know, you gotta practice. What you preach. And you gotta you gotta go in there. And and practice stuff, even the bad stuff. I mean the bad situations. You know, everybody always like. Oh, yeah. Everybody likes being the hammer and sport. But when it's a when it's time to be the nail you you see you see the difference of of who's who's good. And then who's great? Yeah. That's how I know. You've changed as a fighter. Now. Listen when you were going to if you wanna fight Brian tag. And either look at a fight. Let's say you're very first fighting you see stuff in and I'd be worried for you. But then advice seen that. You're either fight verse Jose Aldo like I did it's a diff- your different guy. I'm looking at this like a rematch. I'm looking at this. The first time you ever fighting dust in because you are a different feinerman all you're grown. I don't know if you I don't even eat your fucking weeds in Hawaii, but you grown, dude. I don't know. What's coconuts? But you're a big developed like I'm looking at the you. You look skill that you were game. But you kind of like a kid MAG. There's only twenty you're a fucking man now match your. Fucking champion max you're fucking world champion. Yes. We'd be eating eating Kalu. That thing is great. And what is that is? It's like it's like it's kind of like potatoes tarot is a gluten in it. We're going to be good for who knows. You know what what's going on? But it it is. That's what give us our part. You know, and then day, it is you know, he knows he knows it. I know it is he's a different fired from damn I'm different from from, Dan. And I just can't wait. I can't wait. You know? It's. These this intrigue me, you know, my. My relationship with the UC simple. You know, we always tell them the same thing. You know, find the hardest guy that you guys think is in in in in the promotion for his name. But when my name, and I was signed it. Now, I'll send thin it over to me and our contract signed it and. Let's see what happens. Do we love you? He's a throwback Jimmy, man. He's a fucking throwback. Jimmy, maxim, Frankie, you're a very similar the way they seem to look at things we love you, man. We always love watching you fight. I cannot wait for this main event against this. Portia. Hallway to this is for the interim lightweight title man on your moving up in weight and good luck here to thirty six this Saturday, April thirteenth because Gotti pay per view champ. Good luck, man. Thank you guys have a good and put it away. Gimme put on keeping it out until you come back. All right. Little chip. Max got a great great person. He does he's a different guy. Jimmy. Yep. Jimmy. I know what the fuck I'm looking at you have two guy than me. Looking in a mirror. Jimmy. If I was what I be looking at short guy. Hall of fame to your you mean sometimes. I kids they made it you heard. I miss you so much when I see we have a live read, Chris. Oh, it's so well, my kids one. Would they? Well, my minimum got the title. She got the bed. The most like it's like the most prestigious thing in the whole Dan saw competition. The my other one kill the trio got like a elite plaque at platinum you a proud beyond proud. Did you stand up and clap? Now, I clap, but I wanna stand up I wanna block anybody's view because he'll emotional motion. You know, I can cry the call. Let's go let's do Jim ju ju I don't like calling you Jim my name. No, you're used to call me. Daddy. I don't like that Vichy Jimmy when I'll see you. I miss you so much. I can't even get mad at you too. Jimmy, can I tell you what this package, I got the I got a very similar one. On tuck it Jimmy, right? Oh, it's so comfortable and my wife likes the way the shirts fit me. And you know, I think these shirts could these untuckit closed and get me a lucky. Well, these were specifically designed yes could be worn on talk. That's why conditional button ups look like long and baggy 'cause they would never meant to be worn that way. Jimmy, a guy took things in not at all. Jimmy, don't keep. Watch. What that guy that? I'll talk about clothing. I wanna sleep. I take the side of the Bedout I on tuck. It has nothing to do with this. Awesome clothing to talk about untuckit. 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I don't know why I asked that this Connor and could be back in fourth with Dana always stepped in. We didn't talk about that happened. I mean. Yeah. Where it got. Again. I I liked it. I don't mind Connor talking shit and bashing people because of what he dies when he posted a picture of Khabib wife at the I guess that was a wedding ceremony. I commented last time. I will do it again. I don't hate all like me. Wife. It's like come on. That's just garbage dirt being shit. I talked about ready you brought it up. You talked about some of the stuff that went back and forth. But then after we recorded Dana came out with a statement being like, oh, I'm aware of the reason social media exchange has been Kabaeva Connor the ongoing situations escalated to a level that is not acceptable. As such. We are taking the necessary steps to reach out to both athlete camps. The situations being addressed by all parties. You don't want this become in some he's Smalls fucking shit. Because this is. I mean, I it's different than the battle rappers. Because you can't you can't this certain things that should morally be off-limits religion. And somebody spouse fucking come on. What's next somebody's kids? I mean, you showing listen I now I'm going to I'm going to give a message Connor. I'm going to tell them great, man. And I said this before a quote me, I'm quoting Ben Parker because he was a great, man. I don't know what happened to his parents. Who knows? I don't know if they weren't there. Something happens. Right. But, you know, great in million and Ben Parker. They took him in. And Ben Parker had a he has line. And I tell this to my to my people that train underneath me. Jimmy, I say that with great power Jimmy, go ahead. You want to finish? It comes at great ability to pick on people Chevy. I am I wrong you could not be more role. Sorry. You cannot be more role with great power Jimmy. Yep. I'll that's the quote, and I'm going to finish all the beginning of with sales comes great power. Now, you just making fun of a great quote, and I'm trying to help Connor out. No, I don't wanna go on the Tony Montana route. But he's getting a little nutty. Now, you know. Wit great power. You know, gums, I say, you know, I'm just may just talking. I'm putting those twist on it comes great responsibility. Don't I? A little bit hussar. Responsibilities. You'll laugh at now. You know, what else was laughing? I really love it smirking. Probably the what's the. The mean, gablers, Jim. Skop stoppage Gringo loan. Jimmy, listen. No. You know, who else was laughing? Ben Parker said that I'll tell you. Lease pita pocket was here. Right. Uncle. Okay. Whatever I'm out of the car see later winner wrestle mashed. I get some money for this fo for Mary, Jane, I want I want to impress her just wrestling match, then he Leo fast phone with them. He's still face fo with he lets the guy get away. He abuses Powell was really responsible. I spider with this with the ability of a human spider, the power, the straight of how much men he could've stopped at the crook from running out of the building if the robbing the promoter of the wrestling match he was doing to impress Mary, Jane. But he didn't Jimmy. He didn't. Of course. This is the message for Connor though, we're gonna show it enough. Connor. He doesn't have to listen to all these busy guy. Somebody that knows probably this and he's not an attack. But it's the simple, quote, I have the quote again. 'cause I I with great power responsibility ups. Great say that great responsibility. Okay. There's all I want to say, and, you know, learn from that man, you can help people you could you could bring people together. Nice guy. Man, he is. But but but here's the thing that what rightfully so you're criticizing CONNER for what he did. I agree make top guys wife do but could be responded called Connor a thing related to the. Harsken? So it's like, he's he producer. But I. I hang on. I AM I owe you make it worse. You don't say the word because they're trying not to. It's not like could be completely didn't say anything in the Don. Don shorts and you cross that line for sure you got it shows, the kind of cat, it's bad character. And that brings bad karma doing the right thing. Con Connor did respond after that. And what he actually says. I mean, smart counter tweeted after Dana that he said, I want to move forward with my fans of fates and all backgrounds all faiths challenge us to be our best selves is one world and one for all. Now, see you in the octave gone, which is like, okay. Well, the thing is like, you know, he's probably going after like having to say something shady to Kabaeva attack. You all these people. Oh. Listen, man, again, and to be the guy that that, you know, he he's thirty. Yeah. I think it just remains you so much power. Just it's gotta be. It's gotta be. It's gotta be crazy for the we all. Every you know what I mean? And now, he's got all this power. You don't mean like just just do the right thing? Man. It's easy. You use that to help people. He's still gonna anytime you find people are gonna watch regardless. You don't go to attack. You don't gotta take their because it's taken it a place that could just get really really ugly. So can't we all get along? Yeah. I just thought of that saying it's pretty good. Thank you. Meanwhile, Connor in that that Miami Beach situation, we took the guy's phone. That's some of the charges have now been reduced a lesser dowries downgraded short. So he's he's still facing time. If if it goes poorly, but it's a significantly less amount of time. Now, that's why I like, very the minute. You say about going into a police Jimmy and they'll run to Unisys fucking want. I like just about the famous got. Now, you see events ball guide us for the data and Jimmy. Filtered. Yeah. Okay. Take a pitcher was out to eat yesterday with the at Kabul. This played Afghan food is delicious. Goodness civil. Pushes delicious, Jimmy delicious. We went and Brown rice bog, which is steak. Jimmy, I'm showing off now. So I get a strip abolished a bonus lamb. Anyway, we all went to eat us the kids Edwin. He was he's a good, Dan sung-chol. He goes to all the stuff does he? Yeah. Anyway. So we all go there bringing this up all your saying that about being recognized. Yes, look I wanted to pitcher listen food. Why was done eating no pitcher my food voted. If you wanna put your meat because he was a fan of yours. Listen, we were strong. You aren't eating is this do you get recognized like in obviously, you're in Long Island. But like when you're strolling around Long Island, you I'm world-renowned. Yeah. A bunch. But yeah, I mean, I always, but quite a bit just here in Manhattan, and I was in the GNC Penn station around into a city cop. You know, he was going to work and nice guy. Like, listen. I don't know. I'm approachable. I'm nice dude issue. You know, but it's not overbearing people. I never met an asshole to me. Oh amid Chris. The teacher is nice guys maniac. He's a really good, dude. He lives right next to me. He's he's big fan. You know, you've been to my house, right? As you know, you've been this. I have to be the most a few blocks away. Okay. I like, Chris nice guy. I met him over at the seven eleven o off air really are. But I'm glad you did this. We do our friends and we talked fringe Jimmy. We offer ends by the way. What Jimmy hopefully, we'll get Israel on the phone. A couple of days him in gassed them for the interim middleweight max dust in for the interim lightweight and then there's also Eric Anders Khalil Roundtree. That's a fucking you. Missed Khalil on the phone lady. Second great interview Khalil Roundtree. One waiting. Choke hill. Lee Roundtree Li oh, wow. Dri Jimmy Lee over. I love Khalil again favor. Watch the next episode. It gives me a reason to come back. Oh, great. You don't like the clash now, by the way the fan. I met this weekend. Fan. We did pictured Jim forty times. But you gotta start singing with Matt. No. He didn't realize he did they love it. They lunch. He he. I'm maniac people get right in a love it. Jimmy, Jimmy be so much fun to do it. But not this episode. I can t. When I can next how about I just come more demands on it's fun. Could you know, I was thinking queens. Could you put a 'camorra on somebody? If you're both standing. Yes. I I told that the how about bigger. You. Sure. Okay. You know, how about their strong? Jimmy, you could do that. I just come over to me. I wonder how you put a KOMO on a guy standing I I'm not too lazy to drain behind his back. What I'm too lazy to train? But I wanted to do a quick Comoran case the guy looks at me wrong. We're gonna do a really quick more with 'camorra. You got to put the work in. I put that work in come. I am I'm talking to my good friend. Why need? No, no, no. I meant you to us. It's really a lot of fun. How long did you get to be throw Kamara on a taller, man? I want to frame. Listen, these fights amazed by what I was saying before he started singing Jalil Roundtree. He's a very chill, dude. I love him. I mean, he you missed him. He was on now sick. He's moving to Thailand spent four months in Thailand loved it, Jamie. He was like a really as a kid who's a real fat kid. He's real heavy over ways. So me now, he looks like a fucking soupy hero. You know, all the girls back. He was told. He's gonna go back and be like, oh, he's a crush on you. He's like, no. You did not. He's funny. I like what about what's what's his record? What's Eric Andrews record here? Let's enders loss to you. A couple of two nights in a row. But one of them was against the ongo sandals. I'm like three days notice, basically. And then he came back against the lies Theodora. And he lost that. That's right. Yeah. Centers fighting John Jones, July six July six. Yeah. That's international fight week July fourth weekend. S against say might be JD against Francis. And Gano not official but shit. That's a great that makes sense of this. What really makes? Khalil is seven and three with one. No contest. He lost the fight. But then it was overturned because Mckee Michael Alexa, choke tested positive for something and become. It'd be one of those guys having him on the show. I like him a lot more. I didn't not like him. But now, I really feel more connected. So my goodness. Why did great wasn't he loved that? Interview. Was really good. Yes. Thailand. Did you just love the culture there or range reman? Well, he wanted to learn the he said he wanted to go learn the actual clinch, Mike Lynch, and he loves and arrogant is eleven and three and he's got he's lost three of his last four. Actually when you look at those fights one he took it onto days. How many days notice something ridiculous? I mean, literally three the flight of Brazil some shit in Argentina. But yes. You know, you're right. I was right anyway, I'm sorry. I'm being Brennan. But and then the other one, you know. Knee foot. My who? Yeah. And a lawyer's Theodoros. He has a way of winning. I know that sounds silly. But he is an author doc style. And I'm going to say it's because it is it's hard to eat a good way of closing the distance. He mixed up his strikes, but his clinch work. And he's he doesn't take a lot of damage. He's got a very good. Measure of distance close. It very well. Use his legs. Very well. I like the way moves around the cage, he's a hard guy to train for. So he gets decisions that way what's his record. By the way, we could pull I was gonna say, by the way other only other loss a split decision loss to Machida who it's like, you know, how that could go. And I actually now that I'm thinking back. I thought he won that global. First of all, this is gonna be sick. 'cause they're both gamers man, by the way. There's some good fights on the prelims to Curtis Lander against Paloma Hamad. Really good fight welterweight and Andre supercop superstar against Mantell Jackson bantamweights really does as less. They merged. Elisa sixteen in two one three in a row all the return of. I'm sorry about that to give that guy less smoke. What do you say? There. Sixteen sorry. Yeah. A fucking stuntman. The return of Alan Joe, Ben, where's he been? Let's see what he had an injury. But I could be completely stupid role. I'm not sure what a podcast with Karen, Brian. She's nice. Yeah. His last fight was February of last year. He knocked out. Ben saunders. Actually fuck year. We didn't. That's my buddy killaby. So I don't know if he had any injury or anything like that. But he's fighting Dwight Clark on the main card and the the opening fight is oh S P against the Keita of. And I love his p you love p no great card really from top to bottom. I'm excited Boston salmon is fighting on this network, legit name, not nickname real name. And he he was on the contender series. He looked great there. And he he he's getting enough enough enough. Nothing's that makes sense. Sure. Does not enough. Yes. Whatever you want to have sex. I'm excited very excited for this fight. Jimmy rivera. Peter Yan, Piotr tro Piatra. Yeah. Piatra yon yon. Correct. Do that's a great fight? I like these Jimmy Rivera. I really didn't like when Algi the fight him. I mean, I love the way. How did obviously I love algebra. But. You know, Jimmy, I like very much all week long. It's always he's I'll tell you. It was funny. I told you before but he's smiling all week long. I told out look, man. He's making it hard because he's such. He's electable, dude. You know, I'm going to try to get in his own trust me, maybe be smiling at you in the cage when he came in that fucking cage. He's he's throwing his arms around when he's running around in your little fucking bit ball smiling. Vos? Great good fight though. So yeah, that's you'll see two thirty eight. That's as the main event of that card June eighth. But that's Rivera and Pietra Yana who by the way, if you didn't see yawns last night against. John Dodson will what performance that was? That was like a real, you know, he showed another level fucking fucking dog. What do they say that Jimmy? If you didn't see that fight wolf. Talking about you. Why are you often punking ages? I think now with it, man. I didn't bark in a minute. Jimmy, good part. You know minute. I. The younger it's relevant barking minute. Now would have been fire. If you did, but you're woke young people's shit. Shit. I'm trying to get with it, man. I'm untuckit. Sorry, jimmy. Hey, this fights a week. But also Jimmy can we talk about? Cowboy Alvar overs? Mike perry. Did we talk about that yet? Not yet Falk on where fight ones up. I mean, if Mike gets a hold of them and it can land, but I'm telling you, it's very dangerous fights for my thing. Just. I agree. I mean, those a wildfire. But yes, I think I think anytime because the ground it's it's gonna be a problem for Mike Perry for sure. Yeah. Let's we haven't seen him a little bit in nam or as the kids say we haven't seen him in a minute. Right. Jimmy, you say that cool. Jimmy. I haven't seen him in a or I say in a in a minute. Well, Jimmy, I think I gotta go take the train in a minute. Okay. Here's a little actual in a New York minute. Not. For the record. I knew that wasn't gonna hit. Listen, guys. I had so much fun. What else do we have to say? Thank you to develop a really fun talking to. And also, of course, always good to have max Holloway. We appreciate it gives us a few minutes. He really is. I like next lot. Yeah. Khalil roundtree. 'cause I like to say his name right name. I got a great song to go with tell me now. Yes, jr. Wet say win Jimmy after. Listen, get tickets. If you see me in may and Rochester at comedy on the in my stress factory data's been moved into October. Maybe filming something. Oh, what are you gonna be Jimmy tell us breaking news? Everyone. What no moving in case. I feel oh in case you film. So I don't want to cancel last minute. Get the part. Well, it's something. I'm not sure listen this show like this. Why? Because it's weird. Perfect by Jimmy. Okay. Bye. All right now. Remember to subscribe on apple podcasts radio dot com slash U. F C, unfiltered, or wherever you get your shows. Not my business.

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Episode 42: Adesanya, Whittaker, Burroughs, Cruz, Shevchenko, Rountree, Brown, many more

Five Rounds with Brett Okamoto

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Episode 42: Adesanya, Whittaker, Burroughs, Cruz, Shevchenko, Rountree, Brown, many more

"Gentlemen. Welcome to. Wanting. Back in your life on this Monday, April fifteenth two thousand nineteen wanna a Hawaii welcome back to the program. Hope you had a lovely weekend. Yes. I am back from hotlanta. The dirty south dirty dirty the AT L. I know you're all going to be very sad that I can't do that whole routine anymore breath. Retires after today show. It's good to be back. You have C two thirty six is in the books, and I must say, and I don't have a lot of time to say this at the top, and I won't get too into it. But it's been a challenging couple months for yours truly. I've had to swallow a lot of razor blades, and I'll leave it at that. If you're perceptive you'll understand what I'm talking about. But it's not that important. But the only thing I wanna say is on Saturday night for around ninety minutes is route assign. Yeah. Kelvin gas lem dust Emporia max Holloway reminded me. And I think a lot of you why we love the sports much. We owe them. A thank you. We owe them data gratitude those ninety minutes or so where some of the best in his. Of the sport. If out of Sonya and gasoline don't get that award in December the nose award for fight of the year something crazy happened because that's one of the greatest fights of ever seen. I was honored to be there. I'm an all of those four men, and I can't wait to talk about those four fights in particular. What else happened Saturday in Atlanta? Let me run down the lineup and get to a I guess because he is patients eating. He is a flight to catch three forty five. We're going to be joined by the reigning defending champion rubber Whitaker. Get his thoughts on Saturday. Jordan Burroughs, the two thousand twelve Olympic gold medalist and freestyle. Wrestling will join us at three twenty five three zero five Mike Brown dust emporium head coach will join us Daniel Strauss. The former tower featherweight champion will join us at two forty five. He has an insane story. Stick around for that colo- route tree had a big win on Saturday. He'll join us at to twenty five brand Davis looked amazing in his bantamweight debut. He'll join us to five fifteen Shevchenko's a superstar back home show. Join us at one forty five and one twenty five great Dominick Cruz will join us, but first let's not waste any time and say Hello to. The man who stole the show in hotlanta. The man who is now the new you see interim midway champion the last style bender called it. He did it. He said it. And now he's joining us. And if I was in Atlanta right now, I would go over there, and I would kiss puffy face because this man has not changed on us. He has not changed. He has not forgotten about his media friends. He is willing and able to do everything even with the puffy face. I can't believe it. He is a true Mench of all Mench is Israel. How are you? Feel like dunk right now a real like you said I puff daddy. What? Yeah. I feel like a Chan I feel like a fucking champion well-done. My man. I honestly I'm off you right now. I hope you don't take this wrong way. But I. I viewed differently after what you did on Saturday. Really don't do it. No, my respect if it was even possible, my respect for you grew even more that was such an incredible fight. It was so maisy what both of you did. And congratulations you deserve to win that fight. What you did in the fifth round. Was nothing short of amazing. But before we get all of that. I let me ask you. How are you feeling truly physically? How are you feeling on this Monday morning? Is. So after the fight on my offense from the leg kicks little bit ankle sore apart from that faces puffy it's already swelling down. Like, I told you I got that healing factor. Like deadpool, so already faces string shrinking and the. Yeah. The fly over the east coast. And yeah, I'm sure within the next three days, it's going to shrink Moines. I have my cheekbones back. How many stitches? Just on that one. I ask maybe ten okay? You've been a lot of fights MMA kickboxing. You've you've done it all at this point. Would you say that was your toughest fight like that took the most out of you? That was the most damage you received in a fight. Yeah. On a percent before this flat. I said my last night Winston. So for me was the the hottest flight for me to get like not prepare for to like overcome mentally the barrier ATL before the fight to face Addison. Because you're was to me this fight. It was about the mental barrier to overcome during the fight during the fight that that really showed me who I was at men in champion. So as he you know, I can't do this without him. You need to us. That's handle two of us to anger. A man. It was a very good despot necessary dance partner. I'm grateful for what we did there. Manda was commander go to a movie type you enjoy it. Did you joy that process? Or would you prefer quick fight didn't get out? I wanna get into get out, you know, get out about and the plan. You know, he was saying early on the flight like, you know, a lot of people stink for some reason. Have powers is. I don't have pop in my hands. That's what he said many times in this. Like, I said it's not about power. I don't always thought my power. I don't always have to you just have to touch them in the right place. I hit struck. And and you know, I puffed real good. Yeah. The spinning back-up, oh, we did in the fifth round in particular. I'm curious what did your coach tell you? What did you, gene? And the rest of your corner tell you going into the fifth because what you were able to do it seemed like maybe going down. I had a to going into the fifth. You gotta ten eight in my books in the fifth, which is just insane. And we're very close to finishing him. Was there anything that? He said to get you into that next year. Let me let me let me said seen for. I read a math watching a fight objectively twice so far. What again when I get home or before that as well to to go into the front get the Jing wasn't even know technical vice really he said to go to that place, you need to go to that place. And I've heard that before when he said it to me on the air dined way, the mates when I'm on the air, and he talks the yells at you go to that place at that place that you get uncomfortable. And you go past that you have to break that mental barracks. A lot of times we on the air on. You're pushing kind of crews can just kind of you pushing us up. He's not really pushing always that next level. So you can go to that place. Could hear my machine may Brad rebel who also wanted the weekend out Brad rebel quake? He says broke go. No, go number. You know, they like I made friends with darkness. I went to that place. I stood up out even sit down ever sat down during the during the corners saucer outstanding down looked across sets myself set to I'm willing to die on prepared to die vehicle IBM in your body. That means heart of a lion to be so yeah, I was ready to go on my shield. Guess what? If I'm willing to die. I'm wanted to kill and I went for the kill off. And there's even one point I hit with something. He was rocky stub back. I went. Let's go all day. Ready? Brought on the end for me. I knew I had that AVI. But I never thought I'd have to use that never thought I'd have to get to that point eight we all need these. Usually sapphire your need that you can't do that the German. If you do a stupid because you'll get paid the gym. But you need those fights because it shows you what you will love as a human the human potential. You know what I mean? So I'm grateful. I went to that place that I'm grateful that I pushed through and I was I was able to overcome that adversity had become the new middleweight champion of the UFC at any point where you worried at any point. Did he have you rock you thought that maybe you're on the ropes? Nope. Not the first round the first round caught myself. Really? Well, I was like a flash knockdown even hit the ground. You know, I could balance the fourth round that was the one I was like worried like are about to go out. I'll just like, okay. What coach ever said if you get robbed waved amid for more guys so stupid to do that. And they get the egos like Trump. Well for me. I thought it was a punch that you just said it was a kick. So and so an exhibition afterwards. What do you think about the he said, you said that was a masterful piece shot selection from Kelvin Gasol, Niagara 'cause never kicked in the head before like not that I've seen a long drive at somehow you reach Mindich from that high and the way that he kinda like stutter step event hit behind his state left was pretty it was beautiful, and I kind of wobbled, but that I kept my composure with each laws ruckman he kinda rush for the guilt. And then he gets himself out and went for the take out. So that was only time I kind of felt like a lot of trouble recovered pretty quickly. Like, I don't was he has a granite shit. I get hit a lot. That's all. I think even when I'm at times fog. Again in China slummy fighting in Turkey is at all. You gotta hawk shed are like a thanks like I don't want to be known for that. What I'm hard to? I trust mass guys like junior fi everybody walks her and he's letting go to Santa me Bob Kraft quote solo shots. Stephen Worby, a lightweight at my gym of eight one of his upper costs before when we're having one of those flaws, and I know myself, I could take some shots. I don't want to cause. I don't like looking like a dump all the time. Your moment afterwards with your coach Eugene behrman who's getting more recognition now, and rightfully so headman over at city kickboxing was amazing because I know he doesn't like to get the attention. I know he doesn't like to do interviews. And I was told afterwards by guy I was told that he actually leaves the cage he doesn't actually go in the cage after fights. That was a rare time that he went in there. Did you did you recognize it, and is that why you did what you did towards him you paid Amish to them like that? Now, just pay like I forced even pictures. Like, I I you never likes to standing ages. Normally at local shows will just go backstage for the next fighter. And I'm like, no, you know, after like my. I like the sun Jeff to capture on picture because like that one as a beautiful because incredible like much much Jamie van you'll he's passed away with your sometimes I'll go on his face because grandma I'll go on my one on my archives, photos my phone, and I'll see pictures that remind me of those moments. I'm glad we have those because though beautiful moments. I taught my you need to stick around take these photos what? Yeah, he really likes to rush out of the cage for that. I'm glad he stayed in our plants to give him that belt a plan that moment already for so long even before the flight on before the news, I visualize these things every one I keep manifesting controlling everything away. Exactly exactly how wanted to. And yet that was just a beautiful moment because that guy without him. I career would be in the know he invested me since they want just invested. He lost money traveling the world with me about money. But he like that's be. Showed like he cared. He may to be able to not just paying back for nationally. What's Pam back in work and in hot something's you can't buy like? Yeah. It was it was one of the best moments of my life. Wow. Have your parents there as well was beautiful. I had an opportunity to meet them and your sister, really cool to see them all in the cage. And that photo I was gonna ask you about that photo so beautiful of you and Kelvin together. I don't think the regular human being out there who doesn't possess. What you guys possessive? We don't have that DNA us to do what you guys did on Saturday. I don't think I was saying it yet this one right here in Kelvin hugging. Each other that one sorry. That's you JJ. Which is beautiful. And it's only, but you and Kelvin afterwards shuttle each other a lot of respect and not only that we just showed the tweets between you two. And I'm just wondering what is that? Like like, you will now be connected to that's your Hagler Hearns moment. Right. You will. Now, be connected to this man forever. When you share that even though you were trying to literally kill the man, you said you were okay to be killed yourself. Now, how do you feel about Kelvin gasoline like two days later that is that is a bond that I don't think anyone can really truly understand unless they were in your in your gloves. So to speak. Us. I still feel the exemption. What about him before the flight, which was honestly, I'm indifferent blood, my respect for the men skyrocketed. And I'm pretty sure him again when defend bills against him because he's gonna come up the ranks. And I'll see McGinn at some point. But my respect for the man she's be shot through the roof. Because while I hit it with like he wasn't wants to play. Odyssey. Any pop in his punches. He found out. Yeah. And he took my son my best shots and EC stay there. I was trying to put out machine that fifth around. I dropped four times. I rock in like five times in fifth round. I was trying to put out I was trying to send him to the Hawaii. I think it went to the hospital just look after himself. But yeah, I'll try to take him out. And he's talked. I said these Mexicans they put away you said on the embedded as what you guys wanna caught that is I just have to be accumulated the damage is going to have a poker face. He doesn't have a Polk if he doesn't like to show his hurt and beautiful. Sean doesn't like to show when he's he's hurt. So yeah, I just kept racketed up racket up when I knew is a lot of people, bro. There's a lot of people have seen in this game. How some people I can see when they wanna way out in the office is just too much. No, I can't do anymore in any dislike they weak the weak, mentally. They take themselves out. And sometimes, you know, you those in the moment that fight. I could see that that that that voice now trying to tell you too much or something, and you you wanna way out will you never take that option. A lot of people do and you don't have five what life have to you could just push through, you know. So that fight. Showed me who I was showed people who I was. I'm gonna care about them. If Alrighty knew I had the end me. I I I knew I had this image. I'm proud that me and him to display heart. And I'm proud that a lot of that. We we created a movement that's gonna last forever. So now this sets up the big rubber Whitaker fight. Which would be one of the biggest fights. I've seen us. China may be one of the biggest fights and UC history. In terms of the amount of tickets, you could sell back in Austria for this. And I notice when you talk about energy. And I noticed when you talk about robber eucheuma Mazi, and you've called yourself the real champion there. Am I right in saying that there's some is there some heat there between you two can you explain your feelings towards Robert? Well, put it this way. When seen him based face is just shakes my hand keeps it moving. But then I hear talks on, you know, people say all you settle they'll send me a link, and I'm like what? I've never said anything bad about the guy. So there's one like apparently all that Israel that he's not he's not. He's let us go to the banks is a might they're hoping even pick Kelvin against me because he thinks Calvin was gonna beat me because he had all the well rounded tools. Well, I I was pretty well rounded in that flight one, you know, so. Yeah, eases one of those guys was hoping he doesn't wanna fight me. So he's he's hoping for the easier fight with Kelvin and a Robertson for rude awakening east in. I can't wait. I said advanced as they want to fly going UFC said I remember I was out just before outside the report or not said, you know, I'll be fighting rubber for the belt if he still has it, you know, somewhere in Auckland later on in two years in the report on give all you come back. You remember this moment and lever that reporter is. I needed to come to say he will write on that. But you know, I was right Esau. But yeah. Like, literally, everyone doubted daylight oh shore. Okay. And it was rogue Wilkinson. Okay. Go past him all in Italian. Just monkey wait till he gets faster virus top ten nine came up. Came up on their risks NC double later on. So he's the goat. All what he's all. He's the go passing ball Calvin this one not this this this one this wants to take Kelvin knockout. He's gonna take him put him on his back. It's over. He put me on my back with that sweep. We'll guess what I got with. As the rock triangle, Dexter fucking. And before that I had his neck the guy doesn't even having a sounds. I'm made of made like realize owes a bit of what he escaped those two. So this is pretty well. And all that in the front because I rock them conform three times why crazy in all in the fifth round so much action movie types aerial. Yes. Literally, and guess what? They're gonna keep saying when other champion of defendant like two times three times, then they're gonna be like all with flights light off already. Can't keep like I said, I don't have to prove everyone wrong. I'm putting myself right on the stand that. But what does Mazi mean? So that's a I think his heritage is moldy emotive that was over to Australia numbly Mazi 'cause I call strolling Ozzy. Okay. Okay. He's a pretty much. He's an Australian because he over as an infant his mom, just Mody. That's all he doesn't really. I don't even think he likes the connection to New Zealand in that where where he likes to be referred to as a QB prefers to be referred to as Ozzie and as. All black looking, you know, I go Africa. That's my chest. My heritage is Nigerian. But the school that I come from a learn how to fight that Lineas that I come from this from New Zealand. I come from a strong lineage of fighters understand that so yeah, I can't wait to the All Blacks most Muslim. Fords July you hear me? Now, you hear me I can hear you. I heard they were going towards July August for this fight. Is that enough time for you to do this? A man I've done a lot for the company the last fourteen months. Yeah. Gimme a break. Yes. So you want to wait longer you want some more time. I will I I will wait long. What's up to use? It really use the head coach you'll be the one decided when I'm gonna go again 'cause I took a lot of unnecessary damage in that light at in really have to but to Kelvin 'cause he hit some of his jazz. Very well. That's why this faces a little bit puffy. Remember what? Yeah. I think usually the I'll let you wanna come back. There wasn't a push. I I really had the power, you know, a lot of sense certain things I have some now that I happen about and there's no need to rush. And there's no need to rush 'cause they fought. What if three years rub Whitaker cause injury injury injury? Well in a year, I thought how many times I've had six hundred forty months, I said give me a break. I actually need to look after myself I need to if you want the best fight at me and him. Any look after myself. In hindsight. I I looked up to myself. I look after myself. So I'm actually gonna take some time off this time. Like Dana knows I've I've quit like to vacations can make the last two fights. So yeah, I mean, it's actually look after myself now my health 'cause I'm not in this a long time. I hit for good time and is more to life after fighting after fighting I want to be a father. I wanna be a husband won't be a good son on parents. I wanna let things on my wits about me. So I'm not going to be this guy will what's the gas foot? And then. After fighting. So I'm gonna look after myself right knob. So lucid. What's about me? So I'm going to be a lot of this interstate my time, and then I'll come back when I'm ready on Saturday. You didn't wanna dress John Jones? And I respect that. I'm wondering if show I'm wondering on Mondays. So I just I just did what Luke so. But you by the way, you know, he deleted his tweets about you. Do you know that know, nevertheless, it's interesting gets backlash. I wanted to read them, and I'm sure you saw them. But then I notice he deleted them. So what do you make of him? Now. What do you make of him saying what he said about you even before the fight and after the fight so George Jones he literally for minds meal. What hated most in life in bullies? I've had them a high school coming up and literally ease a jock Ezer, and he's not tell you. Why east picking the right time the smart way listen in those challenge? John John's light to look for challenges. The reason he started all this. He's the one that came up openly called me out and said, I like to Israel on your and Edita because he knows I'm threat. Guess what set us for so long? If you wanna beat me do it yesterday. 'cause our, you know, this every king bite. I get better. I get better every flight. So he wants to try to get me out early on when he when he knows I'm only year that you have seen. And I'm still learning how to guillotines like revolts ago and I snapped castle I'm still learning the game. So he's trying to jump the gun and get me out early. That's I've got jockey day in the middle. It's still gotta get Jukka dating. Hopefully, she gets past the joker and get passed on Robert. And I'll be the fight, you know. So yet, I've got all these get master. But he's trying to jump the gun because he wants to get me out early. I think that's I think just you just came across a dick on. I'm either. Guess what? Everything you wished you wish to could be when he was when he first given that you have seen on. I wanna be I made this joke loop before I wanna be there. You know, you know, Nike sponsor on you know, you to God all that kind of thousand literally used and in crashing, and you know, Royds and hide under the cage, and blah, blah, blah, all that kind of. And guess what? I was a fan UFC ninety four. I watched him from born. I'm like holy smoke is amazing Conan arresting like that. Because I'm told that guy. He just came across. Piece of dick. And for me. I don't like bullies. I detest Belise. So is gonna get this work. What not until I am ready now until I'm ready to give him this work. And I not Detroit I could fly them right now. Now, give him work. Will I wanna fight it when I know I can. I'm still learning. My God game is still getting ready. If you must stand up honesty stand up to me look away for against Smith out of line. Smith will look at what he's like. No. No, thanks. But. This way right now. He's the best. Right, right. Maybe maybe Rick, sir. Maybe so I'm play one ease. The Boston the final game in the game. The final boss. I still go some people to be some some buses to be in between in let we defend my belt a few times. I don't have to do this over twelve or sixteen flight, title, run, whatever I don't want that. Let me just beat all the top middleweights in my division other relevant once just once and then move for super fight with John Jones. But he's trying to ease. A smart guy. He like he's started this because he knows I'm Brett any. No like, I said, I'm everything looked even after I did what I did last year. He came out and said, I wanna be active champion now. I wanna finally four or five times a year. Guess why? I guess why? Now, he's starting to be a little bit opened by his hiding in the way lives 'cause he's been watching me, you I told you before the for the you have C awesome UFC due to an interview. I said John like they keep watching me act like they can watch me. And they can know who I am. Now. They're watching studying what I'm doing because I'm doing. Everything right. Sort of what I'm doing a mile away. Anyway. So, yeah, he's trying to say all wanna be active champion, and he's trying to be a little bit more open about and still be fake because people could smell through the fakes that he was being a fake. You know, all I realize it's interesting. I wonder who made him the lead the. Yeah. Evidently tweets, you never delete tweets that you lose. If you say something standby. So what I read was something something some call me. Daddy, third the delete he deleted both. And then he said something like now, it is about you now because you said it's not about him. And no, we're gonna talk about you know, he said something after the fight as well. But the tweet is gone. What? On airplane. Go you guys got to go. You guys got to catch. A I don't wanna take up more time as you're the men. Thank you so much. Congratulations to fight again off what you did. Doing your thing. My man congrats always mad AAC respect you aerial in everyone of the game. I appreciate you. Kelvin Obama Michigan Calvin we'll see each other get you'll climb up the ranks probably the belt against you. But what we didn't do never take away from us. That's a movie type she had some rocky types. And thank you for being a great desk on the great south of the party would not shit that all the best. Save travels theories. Interim champion middleweight division Israel out of Sonya. Unbelievable. Yeah. I'm looking right here. Now, we do know that John Jones has lead tweets in the past. That's not you know, that's not news per se. But I didn't think that those were like he was going in. I wonder why he does that. I thought he was kind of over the deleting of tweets, but holy smokes. What promo that was. Right. I mean, well, you see bottle that one up whenever those to fight if they do fight maybe in a year. So. Year and a half two years men. Impressive. That was great. That was fire. I'm glad he saved it for the show and not for Saturday at the post by press conference. Okay. So that's Israel's story later on. We'll talk to Mike Brown, of course. Head coach for one dust employees of God a lot more as far as thirty six post-flight reaction is concerned. But for now, let's say Hello to our next guest. Always a pleasure to be joined by the one and only Dominic crews there he is standing by dominant. Are you good? How are you? I'm while. I have so much to ask you about. But I I I'm just dying to know like Israel Sonya from your perspective. One of the greatest minds in the history of the sport. Can you tell us if you were impressed by what he did on Saturday? Of course, how can you not be impressed? You know, these guys on the level, they're competing. We've got a new level of athlete because we don't just have super athletes now that are highly athletic explosive, strong, Calvin and Israel both have that. But now we've got guys that are understanding how to move and making reads and making adjustments. And when you watch this sport ten years ago, you weren't seeing any of the techniques Addison used you weren't seeing any of the techniques that almost one hundred percent of the CIA's using though angles. Switching stance spin attacks spinning kick spending back. I mean, we see those things a little bit here and there in the day. But now, it's all the time. And so there's just level this thing it's fun to watch the sport continue to explode. Okay. Now as far as I think you're in Vegas right now. Correct. Yeah. I'm actually at the performance center. I got a workout to do right now. I just did PTO Michelle Miller. And and then that's it you've been chronicling your your road back to recovery back to. One hundred percent health on Instagram. And I appreciate it. How are you feeling right now? How is the shoulder? It's fairly good. You know in the past post a lot of stuff about my about my injuries, and like comebacks because you know, had my own boxes that I was putting myself in my own belief systems on this things have gone through all the injuries sustained at this point. I realized that whether I like it or not part of my story. Most of my stories injuries in coming back from noon. So it's only fair that I share that with people for them to get through their own injuries. So I'm doing most I can to give that out to others. So they can understand what can be done when have they're on injuries. I get so many questions about it kind of time line. Are we looking at you know area. It's a shoulder when you first tear that that the the tendon that I did on labor different. Labor's a little bit quicker than what I did. I the tendon actually off the bone which is the by this super sub Scapula's tendon, I tore off the bone. So now that they they chop that a little shorter in and pushed it into the bone. It'll be stronger than it was before the surgery before ever. So I will. Have to worry about it again. But it's a six month surgery total. I'm I'm about halfway through. Okay. So perhaps third fourth quarter of this year's reasonable. Yeah. It's reasonable. Definitely I and I'm always trying to be back as soon as possible. But with with what done, you know, you just been out long enough me. What's another couple months going to do at this point? Now, I don't know if you'll be surprised to hear this out of my mouth, but I am dying to know your thoughts on J dillashaw 's suspension, and we found out last week that he tested positive for EP. And then they went back and tested him again from a test that they said he initially passed in December of this past year twenty eight to be exact said that he had EP system back. Then what you make of this? What do I make this is just such a broad question? What do you actually want to know area? Were you surprised when you heard about this? I'm not I don't really have any kind of tach -ment to any kind of drug testing. I really don't have anybody because there's just no point. I can't control it. That's his job CFC's job. So was I surprised I wouldn't have been surprised if he did or didn't tester to be honest. Okay. A lot of people have come out and said, oh, of course, we knew this Cody has talked about this other foes mill people saying that this is something that has been talked about in the community. Was this something that you had heard about him in the past that he was cheating. I mean, if you heard what Cody said, he blade he said that an in the press conference. I was shocked that he said he said TJ taught team alpha male how to use it. Alike. Really like, and then you're going to sit here and say that he's the only one using it. It just makes no sense. You just said that he taught the whole team. So it's it's just interesting to me. And of course, you know, you hear them say that we've been saying this your favorite we. I'm surprising earlier. Cody surprising, get caught earlier all this stuff. But it's like menu part of his camp while he taught you guys. So what what are you really talking about? Right. So you feel like they're almost indicting themselves as well while they're trying to throw dirt on him. I'm not I'm not saying that I just don't see what the logic was insane. It just made no sense. It's like you're throwing yourself under the bus with him. He's part of your team. And he taught on you guys. You guys train together for how many years in whether that's true or not it doesn't matter. I have no control over it. And none of it's factual. It's all hearsay even even TJ and everything before December before the testing has been done to say what he tested before. It's all here set. It's. Just none of it matters. None of it matters. All matters is what I can control. And if I said in started worrying about people being dirty before I get into these fights the. What am I doing? So obviously, TJ's ascension and his his first performance against brow was incredible. What a what upset that was? And then he was just on this the rematch was even more pressing. And he was kind of known for those guys who had great cardio and keep on pushing. And he was hard to put away in the later rounds, and you find out about EP, oh, and that's sort of. That's the PD that helps you have great cardio and to keep on pushing it to outlast your opponent. You feel like this is something that forever tarnishes. Like you look at his legacy differently now. It's not about how I look at it. It's I mean, everything comes to me in my opinion because. Yeah. I get that. But but realistically area I have no attachment to Dell Shaw's or his decisions. I just don't he chose his I actually feel bad for him his whole I think that regardless of what I think the world believes that there's an asterisk next to it. Same John Jones. There's an Asterix next to the story. So at this point, I think he's gonna come back. Two years. Really is nothing I've been along in that injured, and he's he's just going to get healthy. That's all it's going to happen is TJ Bill was gonna take two years races kid, probably be a good father to his to his son is our kid, which is probably better pie better to his family. He's going to heal up. Who knows what he's going to do in this off time who knows how much healthier much better. He gets knows if he fills in gaps. I honestly think that when TJ Dilshad goes back. He's going to be better than he was when he was when he left because he's going to be arrested, and he's going to have time for his family. I can tell you that, you know, two years suspension really isn't nothing. I mean, I've been I've lost more years in that dude injury. So this really doesn't it's it's being played out as a much bigger picture than it is if we're gonna make him testing. EPL this big deal than what's two years. Should be more. Is that enough turn two years? No, it's it's not that is just two years in anything. I don't know why we're making such a big deal. I think you could sympathize with that. Because you've you've had unfortunate luck being inter for that long. But I mean, you could a top level fighter could fight four times five times in two years. I mean, that's a lot of pay days. It is. I mean, there's money in the Bank to do multiple time champion, and yeah, how much money did he make since that dirty testing that he gets to sit on? So he's doing just fine. I mean, he made plenty of money. He might not the way I see it is, you know, when you get a situation like this at teaches a fighter what it feels like to be retired. If anything is gift if you choose it, right? There's been no unfortunate luck that you're going to hear me say I had through all these injuries aerial. I am I'm more happy. I'm a more sharp on better than. Ever been in my tire life as a human being? So to say, the injuries were unfortunate. Luck would be completely wrong completely. Okay. That's interesting perspective. He's actually come out. Like, I obviously, you know, PD's PD's everyone has their take on them. But the fact that he has come out. No excuses has owned up to it. You know, went on his Instagram and did this video again, not offering any excuses actually think his team has done them. No favours by his coaches strength and conditioning coach I thought his his his diatribe did him. No favours. But I think what what TJ has said and done has been commendable. We're gonna compare to other people who have been called. What did you make of that? Were you surprised that he was that upfront about it because we've obviously seen people's tainted supplement, and this and that all kinds of excuses. He's offered none of that law. I mean when you did the investigation that changes supplements actually came through right for those people in it actually was true there were tainted supplements. Maybe there's a possibility that he knew there were tainted supplements. So he didn't fight it. 'cause there nothing to fight. He knew what he did. And he just fessed up to it. You know, you mean if you think about it like how much money they make. In those fights was it was it worth it. Right. And for two and for two years. I mean, it's just it's just something to think about two years nothing. I've been out longer than that. You're blowing my mind right now. Dominic. I thought you were gonna come in. And and be quite, you know, quite aggressive towards him and cheating and things like that. But you're you're taking a different approach not one that I also disagree with. But I just didn't expect it to tell you like the different place in my life. Where I realized the things I can't control I can't control. And there's one more thing. I built my style to beat people who are cheating. I started in this sport at one hundred fifty five pounds. So I was tiny. I had to be fighting people that were stronger longer. And if they got a hold of me, or if they literally laid a finger on the I'd probably be pretty badly hurt because they were they had thirty pounds on the fight night. Sometimes. So my whole style was built around guys that either because when I came in the sport this was ten fifteen years ago. I mean, you see some of these guys in the sport. Then there's a reason sonic brought in. So I had to adjust my style to that. So these guys are still doing that. I've been doing it since I started I've had the mindset of facing cheaters or whatnot. Since I started this sport in my style was built around beating people who decided to use that. Because there were no steps in the sport early on to take care of it. Like there is now. So now, my style was different because it was built to not take damage not get touched in two cost fluent movement constant head movement constant for now, you're seeing all that just looks like style nowadays. But realistically, that's because the sport has adjusted to the fact that everybody strong. Everybody's a super athlete in. So the damage has to be minimal. You're seeing better footwork. You're seeing better had movement. You're seeing better defensing offense. And that all comes with the progression of the sport. But it also comes with the sport just adapting evolving, and I had a style that was built that has stayed relevant through the volition of the sport. And because of that I haven't taken too much damage, regardless of whether people have cheated whether I know or not or whether they have, you know, beat me even getting beat. I haven't taken as much damage as a lot of people. So it's just it's a matter of thought about it. It's it was already part of my regimen to deal with these types of scenarios. So when you bring it up it has no affect on me. Like, I'm already been thinking this way that people were doing that. So I've already dealt with it. As a result of his suspension is gonna fight Henry Fudo for the vacant title. Who do you like a Netflix? How do you see playing out? I liked that fight for the division. Because more is to me. I think would be great champion for the division right now. To be honest. I'm hurt, and I'm about authentic people as champions are not about necessarily always the greatest fighter earth from. You know, the champion is the greatest fighter generally. But offensive people are few and far between in an authentic champion is almost impossible to find. And I see something like Lor is that could possibly be one of those types of people in those are the ones that spark intrigue in in the masses make people want to be part of the sport make people want to join it, not the ones who, you know. You can't even know who they are what they're saying. If they mean what they say. And that's just as the personality base as the and who would be a good champion to hold a division in strong point. I think mice now as for the fight itself. I think that it could go either way. That's a tough fight for both guys. You got the resting pseudo. But I really do believe that it's tougher fight for Henry than it is from rice tougher fight for Henry than it is only because he's moving up or because of the style both. Okay. I think that Henry is is can can do if he comes out and fights Moore is away. He did TJ that was a style. That was that was a game plan sprint out the gate. Keep t-, Janice. Heels I think tactics like that wall was work really well for Henry, and it's just a matter of if the fights go longer does he have the experience to stay comfortable for the five rounds against big kickboxer who can move. Ultimately, are you picking Marlin? Why might become that? Also, I don't know. Can't do that can't we you never know. I don't know where they're gonna put me. I I literally this far in advance. I mean, we're we're less than two months away. When do they tell you? They might have told me already aerial. But I'm in the moment, man. I look at my calendar. If I would have I'm not thinking, what's after this. I'm right here. Sure. I do have something to do. But I'll check my count. If you want me to check. I it's okay. I understand. And I respect the fact that broadcasters. You don't you don't wanna make those predictions. It's it's only right. I'm just curious by the way, before let you go a couple of weeks ago, your old pal favors said that he is itching to come back, and it looks like he is going to come back. Are you surprised to hear this from him? No. I think he wanted a kid probably why he stopped looked like me out of kids. So that makes sense. That would be the only guests. I could think of why you would stop being him because he was still healthy. So good for him. Congratulations on that. And for coming back to fighting. If there was a time, I mean, I hate to say it. But if there was a time we needed another hundred thirty five or that that had a name behind him. It'd be now right TJ out Cody out Moore is there. I wish I was in there. And I'm sorry to letting the division down. But you know, he was one of the catalysts that help build it. You know, he never he never won a world title in the UFC. So if there was ever shop for maybe this is it are you interested in or are you done with your already thought me if he if he can get the title and I fight him for the title. So be it. But let's be honest like, I just gotta get myself healthy and show up to a fight right now. And I understand that. I'm not silly. I I understand what's really going on. I see. That's what matters. Is just getting into this next fight. I just wanna compete aerial. Like, you said there's a lot of paychecks to be made out there, and I deserve one of them in. And I want to go earn it and I love doing this. I love still giving back to the sport. But I can also give back to the sport through fighting. And I can bring new new things to the sport. I still think even now new ideas new movements new fundamentals new things in and that's what I to be also be part of you're not getting paychecks from fighting. But you're doing a great job on TV as always. And I want to say, congratulations to only you. But the birthday boy Gilbert Melendez your new show in locking victory is really great, especially for those that love the technical side of the sport. You guys do great job of previewing these fights in a different manner really showing us literally showing us in the cage what to expect? What makes these fighters great? How the fighter's matchup? It's a great idea to fun. It's a fun. New addition to the roster of shows that we get now from the new ESPN partner. Ship so kudos. Keep it up. Man. Thanks for sharing. Granted. Congrats. Your boy, Brendan forgetting resigned to the U of C. Yeah. Brennan logged in one hundred forty five pound of Asian gets another -nother UK bloke to to bring on I call them. The dirtiest piketty, I know. He is hilarious, man. But you guys are gonna love getting to know him. And he's a good training partner mind. Good friend. Good human good things. Come in for him. Awesome. Hope could things coming for you too dumb. Thank you very much for the time is always good luck with the rehab. We'll talk to thanks area. All right, there is dominant. Cruise one of the greatest of all time. Great insight somewhat surprising and said, I didn't expect that out of him. But always a pleasure to have on the show. Now. One of the fun stories to follow over the past week has been Valentina shift chant goes homecoming. Holy smokes. If you've followed her on social media, I tweeted out a couple of videos, she went home to Kirghistan few days ago, and she has been treated and received like a mega star. I'm not even saying that. I mean, really this is not hyperbole like a mega star like thousands of people showing up to greet her wherever she goes meeting with the president getting gifts, this has been truly an amazing thing to witness. She's the new issue you have women's fly. Which of course, she won that title. Back in December. She defends the title for the first time in June. And she is now in Saint Petersburg. Of course. Her sister Antonia is fighting this weekend and Saint Petersburg against rocks ferry. But I just had to talk to Valentina about this amazing homecoming Valentina, how are you? Hello. I'm very good. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining us. I know things are very busy over there. So I really appreciate you look very Royal in this city where are you right now. All right now in the hotel and just came back from the beautiful walk by the shore or never and we took a little. I by wife end like it was some kind of excursion about explaining their history offensive board. And it's really amazing in. Getting a comb at home. I'm in hell and just like crop fitting good as always. I said it has really been amazing to watch the reception that that you got upon coming home. When was the last time you were in curious then. It was a long time ago. It was two thousand eleven like, I'm at my home country, your your son. It's already eight years ago. Why were you away for so long? Why didn't you come back sooner? I it's very good question. And everytime. I asking myself why? But you know, the very like easy answer. Because we were so busy in fighting and making our like provoker year, and you know, like every time it was being repaired for some competition. Any? Asian I parent at the Nina, then like her torn my sister, she's refer and every about something to have an in mind every time I idea if I go to my home country, I spend at least at least two three months, and I every time was like looking for unity, but you know, like this time and we were in. Thailand ready for the fighter fun tonight as board. And like like, I mentioned after my five and. One of the both resident of their you sound. He called me. And he said congratulations five, and he invited me to come to Kirghistan. Kirghistan till I hit to use this fourteen ity. And I knew it's going to be just gone be. I had to use it because I head to show the bell you'd see to my people because I know so good that interview San. MMA an anti of martial arts more. I tie 'em is port number one in my country, and a lot of people there like everyone that respect a lot and say laugh, you the and I use it. I have to go. There and shows about and if I was I have so much more emotions inside me. And I'm so happy that I were. You're my home country at least one week. But it was it was it. Expecting that many people to show up everywhere you went were you expecting that kind of reception. You know, when I rent, and when I was repairing to the trip, I didn't think about how gonna looks like what I expected, I was just exciting to brief the air of my home to like, go to my favorite places. But I didn't have a lot of time to do. What I wanted to do. Because all this like maintains everytime we had to do. And by the most important. I I felt this laugh of. The people, and they really lost these area laugh makes martial arts. They're left mois. I in this time, they showed all this love. And I'm so blessed to. Feebis? And I know that I have he huge support from people from my home country from all of them. I think when you were in the airport, they give you like a cookie, and you ate the cookies at a traditional cookie from your home country. What is that? Yes, it's tradition. It's like thirty Shen not actor son, but all countries of like Soviet Union. Tradition when they welcome, Hugh, and they give you a breath, but this special if member folk it's like, right, right friend with you can say like this. But it's exactly like. So in all kinds of tables EMC, this this kind of food, and it's very very Schnell. What was it like meeting the president? And was that your first time meeting him? These president. Both nervous time when I met him like Thurston. It was a main than you know, like men. I think for every elite for every fighter Wednesday that told son of the country saying like that you like your five people watching it. Live people's rooting for me. And the it's amazing to hear this is like the best motivations that everyone can have. And you know, I know exactly like it after all of this more like they the president. He gave me a VAR the of from. The vice of honor order of honor. It's about a so it's it's meant in a lot for me because you know, looking back on all the time like how people because Drake me, I feel that I have to train Daba time more I have to be eating more focused like I haven't timed folk with much more because I know I I definitely them. I have to show like good flies and every time being and everything. I I'm doing it for Michael. Moment someone that you met a young child conversation that you had from this trip. That will stay with you forever there. Is there one moment or two that really sticks out above all the madness that happened that you experience. You know, I think it's not only one moment it like everything moment. It s and go minute everything. Go people. Every single person they gonna save me forever fan them. It's like I can adjust just one because it is combination of altogether. Do you still have family that lives there? I do have my mom. She's leaving there. She's braised of your son. My life, the ration-, my grandfather from mother, and my grandmother for a father side, they they feel leaving there. So of goes like my. Mogole in my mind idea. Then I go visit my my country, I gonna be this all of them, and I spend with them like as much time as I can and heavens that I could do it because I really like. Off my family, and you know, the most things that my mom's kicked us on birth. So she's here right now. Also, my aunt's mother says she came from Latvia and all they're like attentive support for the Saturday. No this today. So this is like I feel so so like good. So at this moment the happen pass moments that I like almost material me flying. It's amazing. And I understand that. She's getting a lot of support there as well. Ahead of her fight against Roxanne monetary which happens this Saturday. You can watch it on ESPN. Plus, so you get that you get that moment you get that reception. It's incredible to see. And now I'm starting to hear I don't know if you've heard this as well. But the you have C has seen this and the wheels are turning a little bit to actually have you fight in caregiver STAN or maybe close by have you heard this as well as there any truth to this? I yet because I was like sometimes the out of the show media, but you know. I would feel the heavens person if in the future, they'll have like youth van in STAN, I know. All my countries. They gonna come and defy is they because I everytime. I'm repeat. Because in my home country in courteous, fourth number one is not soccer if not and other one four number one is meets martial arts. Martial arts. If more all kinds Marshall lives in people stand people that leaving there like every single person doing any kind of four and a lot of a lot of good Fleischer's. And just in the moment is shows them like on the international like Arina because they are now like participation in different informational events, but I hope into near future they can show. Oh that talent all their keel in emission, all international promotion, June eighth return to action, you defend your title for the first time this time against just I just goes very confident person, she is taken subtle jabs at you and your Bility's your fighting abilities. How'd you feel about some of the things that she has said about you leading up to this fight? I know she can say whatever she want. And no, it's nothing can help your in fact out on and if she really wants to know about my abilities. Five TV has this of unity Chivo, see feel it is inside and inside of the actor and mostly the doors close. You don't have your mouth anymore and nothing gonna help or I know about my father. I know about what she has. I know about what I have. And I know that I have to just keep my focus on my trainings. And do exactly the same words. I will do all the time. And it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. It's gonna be good five and not not less and more. I heard that you actually wanted to return sooner. Is it true that you wanted to return in Prague, but she was in ready? Yeah. It was you see a rich out to Roger will my manager. And they asked about like do have to have me five brass on in February twenty something like this. And I said, yes, I said, yes, I'm ready to golden. It was about like listen month to prepare for this fight by then. Good. Good. Condition. So I said yes, but then they came back and that this because she has some kind like host the fide. Thompson something like about six or whatever. And she wasn't ready for this day. But she was ready for my let March or something like this. But after the like. They can back with June. A so it's of course, it's okay. For me. I had a little bit like rest. I'm I enjoy the little bit more being Thailand without thinking like heart-rending as my sister Dida, she was guess focusing on strain drain is referring I could like go in when beachside like amazing Thailand. So I'm glad that the things turned out like this. And I had two little free time last year last two years if they more exactly it was super beautiful mate was like training. Five in even it wasn't a so like these -i wife real five, it's but it was too busy in preparation because wanna phone drop for this day. I guess still like I still have to training rations. And this was I think it was very thirty for me to a breeze a little bit of different air. No, the air of the gym and thinking like too hard over version too much like five I if everything was working for me good. Yes. Thank you. As always for the time, very happy to see the love, and and the reception that you got back home, really cool to see. And I think your manager Roger for showing all that to me and congratulations on your new contract with the U of C. Good luck to you on June eighth. But for now, most importantly, good lecture sister Antonina on Saturday. Roxanne monetary? I'm looking forward to that fight very much. Thank you again for joining us. Confirm my area, and they have a good day. And they yeah, it's it's grammar great do that. Then enough I can see on Peter's, and it's gonna be fill out a female flight in thirty of us the Russia. So it's gonna be Mazen event. And I lot of. People coming and support and the Nina Steinway as like people's air time doing the same same as Russian people because this three countries the rule Kirghistan, Peru Andress it's million lots for me because I spent a lot of time living in this country and each one is like in my heart. They have like late. Four to it. It sounds like a special scene. I'm excited for the thank you. Tina, thanks so much. Bye bye there. She is Valentine shift chanko the bullet. Her sister Antonina again fights this Saturday on ESPN, plus and that is an important fight. And she just noted the first female fight. As far as you have see Russia events. Of course, this is just the second. They were in Moscow back in September. Now, they return to beautiful saint-petersburg as you see right over there. Prelims at ten AM main card at one pm prelims on ESPN two at ten eastern Maine card one PM eastern on ESPN plus main event Allaster ovary against Alexi Olympic. We had both of them on the show last week other fighters of note Islam, mafia as you see right over there. I told you about Roxanne modifier you see the lineup and while you look at the lineup. Let me tell you about our good friends over at vivid seats. I like the good people read vivid seats, and this is a great sponsor for us. I appreciate them supporting us we all love night out. I sure do go out all the time. 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So without further ado, let us say Hello to the killer. Bee himself, Brandon Davis Braden, how are you? Good. How you doing area? I'm doing great. I have lots of talk about my friend. But first off congratulations on the victory. Thank you. Thank you. Great win. Great way to start the show, and you were born actually in Atlanta you to live in Atlanta, you're born in Atlanta. How long did you live there for? I was born in Atlanta. I grew up in Georgia all my life. And just like that. He's back. Try to call. Okay. No problem. Have south of there all my life after high school? I went to Mississippi and for college football and everything, and that's when I moved missive, and I've been there since oh about almost not nears now, but Reuben Georgia pretty much life. Did you have a lot of friends and family at the flight? Man. I'm pretty sure we were the first there wasn't that many people there. But I'm pretty sure everybody there was there. My friends family fans or his I think I had like two hundred people there that is amazing in in one of the big talking points going to the flight was that it was your one thirty five pound debut. But it was revealed beforehand that you were running twenty miles a day in order to make one thirty five that can't be true, right? I was through it. Now, it wasn't twenty miles. Great at one time. I would get up in the morning six AM. And I'd read about six and a half miles. Get done goes strikes in a wrestling turning seven to eight eight nine of striking. Waste the one by my now just whites and they're not get home and run another seven vials, and then not have a six mile run that night as we got draining median, jeez. Into when you were fighting one forty five typically, how many miles were you running a day? A day. Not it wasn't daily. It was a lot of training not probably like ten miles a week five times. But or three and half malls redounds on this bridge, and we do. Now into the PI. They it wasn't even just to run twenty miles a day. It was more. So they told me that where I needed to get my heart rate needs inter fame that we did on the on the treadmill? So it wasn't like I was just jogging intervals sprint. So our go two minutes that seven miles an hour or eight miles an hour. And then I would go a minute at ten miles an hour. Now, two minutes eight miles an hour. That'd be my first one today for six and a half miles in the seven miles would be I would go ten miles an hour for one minute. Eight miles an hour for one minute two miles an hour for one minute. Eight miles an hour. From one minutes involved outs, limited walks. Rousing. Our one minute a five minute rounds? Your woman lot get your heart back down like the fight. Then you go against you. Start out the fight fast somewhere in the middle slows down than fast base in the middle. Again, slows down in the in the end the round fast. Three ten minutes, rents revive minutes may move. And this is why did you even decide to go down to one thirty five? Wasn't really my decision. My coaches have been not coast. One of my coaches might Sanford had been asked me to do it for the while. And then Allen, Sean shopping geocache, not as the CPI, Steve I could actually make the way, and they got me on a diet and everything. Said that I can do how did you about the idea initially? I at first I hated as good a forty five strong. But then the more that I thought about it when I got to the saw that it's going to challenge me and make me work harder. And why not do that as hard as I can? So people are Steve people say all may have he's have run twenty days two thousand five was wrong with twenty miles day's gonna put you in Becker shakes, cutting waterway. I literally made this way that easier than I made forty five any fights new allergist better said to make and how long did you have to do that for the twenty miles a day? They sent me to the PI January fourth, and I never got word of a fight that fight in February or March. And I never got words just kept training to do it every day anyways. Begging to get on the Nashville card begging to get on the Philadelphia card literally begging off as they gotta fight in Atlanta. I'm from Atlanta, give me on their do anything. I usually hate being early on the car. That's not complain one time they had the first light on their nice. Because you know, exactly when you're gonna fight right? And we got out of that. When we got out of the Rena and hotels, still light outside of never. You didn't stay for the whole card. Why? I mean, there's a good card. I watched it on TV. But I was there to do my job and everybody has their jobs. And make it back to do that often says break, go hang out with them. I heard and I wanted to ask you about this where we're looking at your last five fights on our board over here. Is it accurate? Like if you would have not won this fight against Randy. Would you have called it a career? I said what I said was I'm sure I would have got good out. It took some time out of coach lot. Now. I don't want to coaching. I mean, it's just a long track back outta took my time. I wouldn't try to wrestling Ayla. We get seven fights right now. So I can try to make it back in his best looking so. I may of course, I didn't think I was not by late afternoon valves going to be legit, but I wasn't gonna quit after just gonna take some calls. You believe though that if you would have lost this fight. It would have been three in a row for five you prone on you would have been cut. One hundred percent. Wow. That's a lot of pressure is not. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But when I'm in there fighting I swear to God. I don't think about it. It's just the fight. So when I'm in there fighting man, I'm going into this by always last and ever good time in the fight. I'm not going to do that by. I mean, it's just too fun to me not something where some people going there, really nervous and everything I go in there and have a Anjar. It gets me back position sometimes and else meals. And I also heard that one of the keys to you changing your your body and cutting thirty five no more drinking, no more alcohol. How big of a pro life was alcohol. Our drink like six pack day, at least when I got home from training at night. But. I'd rather be doing this anything else. This is what I went to. So I'll do anything that I have illegally not cheating, right right to your and and once I stopped drinking. I'm easy and bounce start setting off. I was walking around at one six seven now lock around like one fifty two got down even forty eight. A couple of weeks before fight just walking around without cutting weight or anything. Now, I'm back up to like when sixteen then the way back down in ready for another one. So so you're you're fighting you have a one forty five or you're getting ready to fight the likes of Mongouma, cherry pub, recently and Ricky Zola cetera. Cow buck neck, and you're drinking a six pack a day during training minimum while you're training fan. It's not like out of training camp in the midst of training camp. Yeah. Damn. Why why are you doing that? I was like beards. Hadn't cut that out. Now replace that watering herbs Jake's, well, don't take any. It's weird for me to drink eight drinking water, a drinking, protein, shakes and everything. I don't know. I just like the national beer missing. Really? Was that hard hard to cut it all out? No decision. I want to stay in the snows reason. Okay. And that was your decision or did someone have a heart to heart with you is may one hundred percent either have heart heart with myself Lona drink beers. Like anybody else can do to understand the it's very news. I'm trying to get here. Mums I can be and you said six pack minimum like like how high did it get like you ever go twelve year ago twenty four when. I can drink some beer now man, sometimes pay and as always Budweiser this gonna make you Morgan at like eight hours they talking about. When's the last time you had a beer? Yesterday. Oh, right. Right. Right. And celebrate if you saw my Instagram. We had the whole bad of beer after the fight. We always over beers. I think we've had six cases in there, and we had bottles, and then but I wondering again until after the next. Okay. If you by the way, you think that if you were this clean going into the beat fight you beat them. I think that if I would have been able to train for the V fight in our beating I'm not I'm not going to be I think would have been. It went all around. And who knows what happened other like I was beating on the before that fight ahead. Three bulging disc in my back. So I wasn't able to train at all. I could bear they've been down. So I was on the table every single day like whenever they told me that fight. They sit on this table thing that lay down and you hold onto and they put some threats round your feet decompre- strikes. You out impressive your back. So I wasn't able to train at all. So I wasn't shape. But I I mean, I told DC and everybody before the fight can hang with anybody standing up. I is wrestling was was really good like jujitsu still as host. He caught me with something is still arrest. I just got tired got up tiredly. But I feel like I go a lot different is still probably take me down still have problems there. But they're not make it to around not getting up some tiredly. I didn't get tired all this last by then third round knows. 'cause he's tired too. Right. Yeah. And that was a that was a great especially during the fact that you took it on such short notice and the fight on Saturday was great as well on some other cards. It might have even been consideration for fight of the night. But then of course, what happened in the Komen and main was was just completely incredible stuff. Was he better than you thought? He would be an n I'm just curious about his style. Because even they were talking about on the broadcast Rogan was like the way he was moving his legs the way he was moving to shoulder. It was a very awkward style. I never seen that before. Did you notice how he was moving? It was strange. Yeah. Knew he was gonna move where it he moves like that. And all this. But I didn't expect it to be so hard to anticipate where the punches were coming from because. The punches. He moved really weird in the punches and kicks from different angles. Which normally see so it caught me some incoming beacon Kesri Zola. Nobody's calling the punch like that. And I mean, he caught me. Props to him. He hit hard. He was tougher than I thought because his opponents before great, smells, I meant. He has based buddy, but he came out and he was game. And I said whether the storm and China so that I knew and LeBron's nuisance. No stitches on the nose. Now, it's could have a little bit right now that we just wrestled earlier snowed. We did like five minutes live all bloody no days off after fight like that. Yesterday. That's my drinking that we had to drive back. Then have a buddy drive back and drinking on the way back writing. Now they off and then. Get ready. I've not where I wanna be engines and the finish was impressive as well. And somewhat unique in its own right? Because you did submit with rear naked. But you never had your hooks in your almost like off to the side there sort of it was kind of like a camel clutch. If you wanna compared to like, a pro wrestling move is that something you do often? It happens a lot in the gym just because I can't get my hooks people. If somebody's back must time, they're not getting away. And he didn't let me get my hooks in. So it's kinda as if whenever you do Matt return you have your arms around their body. Are if you've ever changed in Logan oil put on there. And then you turn and they still on one side and around the same thing with my legs. So tightened up around. He couldn't move his hips that also allowed me to hang off to the side and couldn't crow artery little more. Wow, whose impressive great finish. Especially after he, you know, he he rocked you little bit there. And then I love the moment afterwards. Because at the winds Randy was honoring his late friend, Devon carrier who passed away in a car accident. So that you know, he wanted to bring him there for his you've debut unfortunate for him. He didn't win. But you decided to honor him with the photo that he was holding. When did you think of doing that? Did you ask them that beforehand? How did that come about? Because I thought that was a really classy move on your part. No. I thought about it before the fight. I don't think that just because you fight that. On what he should not be able to get the attention. So after the fight went up to nasty. He can't find us fiction Helton out and got his on a spotlight and everything. So he was really cool about his cO all week out is probably still gonna even if he wasn't code. But that probably one the collapse of fault. I was just like that. Everytime. I mean, but. Like that. But yeah, it was his family's reached out to me ever since then. And everybody's been super nice about it. And I appreciate them and anything I could always like that. I will. Randy's family or Devon's family Devon's family. Wow. That's what did they say. His mom. Thank me. Appreciate me. His brother just messaging the earlier appreciated as well. And said that it wanted to make use the time that I could do that since men, and they're gonna send me some church all the time. I like doing stuff like that. Like, I have a rant. Now. It's got seventy sushi shirt on now and. I haven't been able do much just yet because I was getting ready for this white rod talk to Ray Borgen. We're gonna have t shirts his son because as the problem with this renders grind, so well and one hundred percent of the profits edited his family without notables in. That's you have a chance. Go check outs after sushi dot com. We'll have and. And does great. Did you know about Devon did, you know about Randy's story beforehand or you just found out that week? Now, I've watched all this not seen. It's kinda looked up. What it was? And I think that's pretty cool, dude. So I mean, I knew I could help just because you don't mean that that shouldn't be done. And then I love the fact that you had a name ready. You said you wanted to fight sugar. Sean O'Malley, why him in particular? Men only defy Bangor's. I'm not trying to go to the ground and be it'd be blurring. I'm a Brown belt Jetsons. I don't mind the ground at all. My wrestling is getting better as minimum two hours a day every day are six days a week. But I like to stand in bang put on the show, you have nobody knows that by now, they don't know me as lending about. So I mean his game with that. Do you think there's any interest? There. Have you heard anything back into since you? Call them out. I haven't heard anything. He probably doesn't think I deserve it. And I mean my right to grievious right now. Let me get another one problems. No matter. What if he was not vigilant get it? Okay. And it's only about his style. There's nothing else there that made you ask for him. Now. I love just like on the beat a love fighting strikers, right and love bang, by the way. I don't know if this makes you think any differently of me, but I have never seen a second of game of thrones. How do you feel about that? I saw on Twitter Instagram further men. You miss now. I swear to God, I told my fiance, I told my buddy Hollis as I do. They would not watch anything. I finally convinced them to and they both. They hate me because not leave the house they sell into the show. And now he is sending me messages winners coming and game of thrones. And all this stuff. But my man you you're bigger than me. Now, I'm telling you watch it not disappointed. Not even that long. There's only ten seasons ups for seasons persons and thank last last eight episodes has men wait catch up. Okay. All right. You're starting to sell me a little bit. How was the how was the debut episode yesterday of the new season surprisingly not as much action as oh. But there's only five more. So there's got to be smashing somewhere. So I'm excited. I told my buddy tolerant the way dude like a little kid just waiting on this every weekend. Now the season. Just starting Zoe five more episodes. What's up with that? Only have six says is I don't know. They're an hour long. But man is like watching the best movie ever seen every week. Wow. Okay. You are selling it strong. All right. So you got that out of the way. And then I'm assuming next year's sticking around one thirty five regardless of who you get. Yeah. I don't wanna I don't wanna go back up. I love having to put this work in challenge myself. And I feel like it makes whenever you the baseball players in NFL athletes. They have schedules and practices, and they use so much per day today and everything I want. I wanna make my stuff as I wanna have an eight hour a day where I'm putting in software, like a maximum professional athlete. Didn't when I need. So. So. That's takes me running three hours a day. Wrestling, two hours a day in my other striking strengthening everything better three hours. That's great job on Saturday. A lot of fun to see grant way to start the show. And again, I thought that you guys were in the running for a little bit for fight of the night. But well done on making the weight and being successful in your debut. And I'm looking forward to the next one thanks for doing this, Brandon. Thank you have me on there. He is Brandon Davis. Lotta fun on Saturday to seem compete and his bantamweight debut twenty miles a day that is absolutely insane. Twenty miles a day to make one thirty five. And even if it's not continuous even if it's not in one shot twenty miles a day is just incredibly impressive. And if you miss the moment that we were talking about in the interview with Randy cost rent cost who's making his debut a member of team lows on at the early wayans stepped on the scale with a photo in his hand. And we weren't quite sure what it was it wasn't aware of the story beforehand. It was a photo of his friend and teammate Devin carrier who passed away couple years ago in a car accident and he wanted to bring him there for his debut. He wanted to have him there by side. So he had the photo the official winds in the morning. He had the photo with him as he stepped on the scale at the ceremonial wins. And then in the fight itself. It didn't turn out his way. So he wasn't able to honor him in the post fight interview with Joe Rogan, but Brandon actually took the photo and in the post fight interview shared it and gave a shout-out which you know, he has no relation to Devon. I thought that that was a beautiful moment as well. Really nice moment to start out the show on Saturday in Atlanta. So congratulations to brand Davis. I am looking forward to his next fight. That is that is an interesting one. I did hear that Sean is coming back soon. Sean O'Malley that his you Sada issue is getting cleared up. And I heard that they're they're already in talks with someone. I don't know who that opponent is just yet. But perhaps Brandon Davis has convinced them to change their mind. And if not it seems like he's well aware that couple more fights, and you could work his way back up. So that's Brandon Davis is story. I believe in a matter of. Moments. We are going to connect with Cleal Rowntree who won on the main card. He won in the fight right before the signing guests on fight that was against Erik Anders. What a great performance that was from clo- row who's coming off a loss to Johnnie Walker had the win over go consecutie in July of last year rebounded with the lost Johnny rock Walker and moved recently to Thailand. So curious to see how he looked like street fighter out there. His stance was on point his leg kicks point his striking was on point grey tweet from Eric Anders afterwards saying essentially that he is not had his butt whipped. Like that for what thirty two years by the time. He was what like that was. I think he said nineteen eighty-seven. So that was very impressive stuff. After we connect with Khalil rachi. We'll talk to Daniel Strauss who has an incredible backstory round the year and a half or so ago, he was involved in a. Motorcycle accident which left him potentially. Paralyzed. They thought that his life was in in great danger, certainly his career. They believed was over and the Biltmore featherweight champion did not take. No for an answer came all the way back and was able to walk again, they posted an amazing video of his recovery and was actually successful in his return to Bill toward just a couple of weeks ago. So that's an incredible story. I'm looking forward to talking to Daniel about that later on. We'll talk to Mike Brown the head coach for one dust Emporia over at the American top team in coconut creek, Florida. I'm looking forward to talking to Mike the former WC featherweight champion and then following that. We'll talk to Jordan Burroughs, the two thousand twelve Olympic gold medalist increased wrestling one of the most decorated American wrestlers, currently competing. He is competing against one. Ben aspirin at the beat the streets event grapple at the garden on. Six in New York City, and that is a dream match. If you will for wrestling enthusiasts couple of national champions going toe to toe in a match at seventy nine kilograms, which is essentially one hundred and seventy nine pounds. And I think that's one that the wrestling fans are very excited about I'm look forward to talking Jordan Burroughs for the first time in the will close the show with Robert Whitaker who will join us at the bottom of the third hour. The current you have see middleweight champion of the world. He is going to fight Israel out of Sonya. I'm looking forward to that fight. I thought it was very interesting that Israel said that he maybe isn't ready to fight July, and maybe needs a little more time is he has said that he likes being active. But of course, he was banged up. And I was talking to his team about this yesterday Whitaker's team. Like, hey, would would would August be a little soon for is in your opinion. And they certainly wanna come back, of course, coming back from the emergency. Hernia surgery. And the collapse bowel. But it looks like he's back the training feeling good again. And they want him to come back around that time, and they're talking about a stadium in Australia, perhaps Brisbane, maybe Melvin. But that would be gigantic fight. Remember, they went to Eddie hod stadium for UC one hundred three Holly home versus Ronda Rousey, and that's fifty five thousand tickets. I think they papered that a little bit. But I think that Whitaker Sonya we'll need no papering, and it would be gigantic. Australia loves it's mixed martial arts and a fight between a New Zealander Kiwi going up against an OSCE and having that fight in Austria, it has to be in Australia. It would be criminals that happens here in the United States. You have to make that fight in Australia. But does it work out timing wise, they have the pay-per-view July six in Las Vegas? I was told that they want to have another pay per view to make up for the card that they cancelled the paper UCAR that they cancelled in January end of January early August. And then another one in mid August, another pay per view card, then September and Abu Dhabi, which would be the return of hub, even Rogge made off perhaps. Against us Emporia if all works out. And so that's when they were targeting the return of rubber Whitaker. But what if is he says, he's not ready? We shall see for now though. Let's put a pin in that discussion and say Hello to our next guest. I was just talking about him Khalil Roundtree joins us now via the magic of Skype. Khalil. How're you doing good? How you doing? I'm doing great. Congratulations on the win. My man. Wow. What a performance. How do you feel like that was Khalil Roundtree two point? Oh that was a brand new around. That was incredible stuff. Are you happy with what you did out there? Yeah. Very happy. Man. It was it was great like that's exactly the type of performance that I wanted to put on. So I'm very happy. I also felt like I was watching if you were ever a street fighter character. I felt like I was watching your street fighter character in there. Like, your stance the leg movement all that stuff. Those those a lot of fun is this all stuff that you learned in your recent trip to Thailand or was it a part of the repertoire that you just didn't get a chance to show us in the past a lot of the stance and the timing and. Speed all that stuff is is all brand new. Everyone knows I've always been more of like a stand up striker, but I was able to go and actually build, you know, somewhat of foundation the beginning of foundation of of of my my my scales ya okay? So we spoke before the fight. But we didn't talk a lot about this curious. Why did you initially go to Thailand? The biggest thing was like after watching the Johnny Walker fight. And like looking at it technically and seeing like man when I was in the clinch, I got completely shut down. I didn't really know what to do. And so I knew that I had a jet lease up that if I wanted to evolve as a as a mixed martial artist. I gotta know clinch just like got not to and everything else. So I figured hey, why not go to Thailand? And learn it the right way. And also just I knew a couple of guys from from Thailand or that winter before and they came back with such like discipline? They would run before every session before they hit pads all that stuff just on their own. So I figure that hey, maybe there's something out there for me. So I went to go find out for myself. Now, do you actually live in Thailand? Fulltime now been out there for months, I went out there right after the Johnny Walker fight and all the way up and filled this light, and I'm going back within the next couple of weeks. For one year. Yeah. Whoa. You're gonna live there for a year. Yeah. Wow. And why why not just for training camps where you decided to actually live there. I just the trainings. Awesome. It's it's just a part of life like everyone there, even the fighters. It's just it's a part of their life. They they train all day. And then, you know, in the in the in the off time, they go in enjoy whatever the, you know, whatever the city has or whatever the island has implicate. So I love the people. I love the culture the convenience. Everything's like, very simple. I can you know, get fruit off the side of the road. I can just ride. My motorbike wear flip flops every day. All I think about their training. And and just a lot of clearing my mind. Great places to clear, my mind, just new culture, I love type people and they've been so welcoming for me. And so I think that you know, for my career, I think it's good for me to be there. Especially at a time. Like, this just it's the people everything about it is good for my heart right now had you ever been there before before you went this this first time to train for this. This was my first time and actually since I started. Inning in the may. I've always wanted to go. Even before I even did, Emma. May I knew I wanted to train tied. I was the first like type of class I took when I was like, overweight and stuff, and I knew man, I I really like Thai and one day I want to go to Thailand. And so like, you know, it came that time came, and I jumped on the opportunity and was there a specific team that you were training with their. Yeah. I I started off with a a multi gym called pet Yundi, and they're out of Bangkok, and I chose that place because they they just had this crazy bond, and they had a super nice Priscilla almost like the I it had you know of ice bath hot tub sauna Nagai's train with heart rate monitors. It was very like state of the art. And so that that was intriguing but all the guys they are like active Lumpini, Rajadamneun champions in like and fighters. So I'm like, oh that means that they're not doing, and they're they're really skilled in the have active competitors. It's not just like a tourist attraction. So I got. There. They were really welcoming. They're like, okay. Tomorrow five AM run. And we went on the five AM run around the Grand Palace in Bangkok. And I started to just whatever they did. I did whatever they eight eight and just it just became this thing. So at indeed, and they took me in family than they still they were all watching the fide boat. Who's the the owner of the whole thing like him, and I became close with it. Just everything just happened like so nicely. And it was great. It's amazing in into. I appreciate you you sharing the journey with us. Feel your social media did notice by the way, you're no longer on Twitter. Is that accurate? I couldn't find you anymore. Yeah. My new months ago, I don't know how long ago, but I think it's few months ago. My Twitter got hacked by some like betting online betting thing. So I think we just disabled it after that. Okay. So. Yeah. And plus, I don't I don't know. I don't really tweet too much. I don't really have much to say, I really like more pictures showing things. I don't really have much to to say to tweet or get into it seems like it's just like arguments and stuff all the time. So I'd rather just stay out of that. Keep my cool. You could show pictures on Twitter as well. It doesn't have to just be words. Yeah. But I mean, it's Twitter. I think I I don't know. Maybe it's just my own opinion on it just feel like it's just a bunch of talk. No fair enough. And then also one thing that I forgot that anti anti-land to tiger. They took me in and they made me feel home. I needed to go in and do my inmate training, and I got there, and I told them, hey, you know, I wanna do my camp here. If you guys can help me out and those guys they're the Hickman brothers all and they just took me in and really helped me to. To build not to build, but to add my new Moi ties heels into in the may so that was like that's that was like the icing on the cake. So for sure shout out to tiger more time for that. That was awesome. One thing. I noticed on your Instagram. You seem to get really cozy with some elephants over there in Thailand, what is going on over here. Like, are you bathing with the elephants over there? What's happening? Yeah. Yes. So I've always loved elephants since I was a kid. It's been my favorite animal. And and then so the first one the first time, I went to to see elephants. They were it was more like a tourist attraction, they ride it and all that stuff, and it just it didn't settle it didn't settle well with me. And so I found a place called elephant jungle sanctuary implicate, and they're actually an elephant rescue. So they rescue the elephants from places like that, you know, like from from having to work and having to carry people on their backs and do tricks and all these things they save money. They rescue them, and they just they have this like a bunch of land where they just set them free. And so we when I went there, it's just like a whole day of all in. Tearing feeding them learning about like how to care for them health. What they like how much a sleep everything you've just spent a whole day learning in bonding with elephants that are just you know, that are just really being elephants. No writing anything that we can take. Bass with them you can play in the mud. You can do all type of stuff, but literally just to be there and experienced them just for how they are. And that was the most like beautiful thing it experienced. So I'll definitely be going there like a lot more when I'm there. And I'm just curious we're we're about to show the photo here the one where it's like, you're rubbing this one. What is going on? What is this? What's happening here? This is you stuff. Yes, it's mud. Okay. And then a lot of other things. So. Elephants like multiple times a day at this place. They'll take them to take the mudbath is they like to cover themselves with the with the water in the mud to cool down because they don't have sweat glands. So they they they have to get in the water in the in the mud, it's cold. And they like it like the play in it. So they were like, yeah. If you guys want to get it, you can get in and I just dove, right? It man. I started picking up mud like throwing it on them during myself. They were spraying to be back. It was just it was a great experience. Like, wow, Cana just like mud wrestling with elephants right after that. We took him through the the more like a clear pond in and they wash we like we wash scrub them all down and then take him to this like big shower like a car wash. Our and washing down again, then go feed him and hang out. And yeah, it's it's a hell of a Damon. That's your like the kid from the jungle book. Oh, man seriously. I felt like that day definitely felt like like Mobili. Yes. That kid. Why the interest the great interest in elephants? Why them and problem there? You know, what I think it was when I was a kid. It was just this the way they look and they were so big. And and then as I started to like, watch documentaries and things I started to realize like how how crazy their memory as how smart they are? And I've seen like a video of an elephant actually painting a picture. So I'm like men these things are are way more intelligent. And there's something else about this animal other than just being big, and you know, and an intense. So then I just started to figure out there kind. They're gentle. They're wise. I saw documentary where a guy who was in elephant caretaker he passed away and all the elephants he took care of. They migrated to his grave on like the day that he died after look up the name and stuff. So I can I can share with the followers alike men there. There are different breed of of animal men. It's there's something special about them that I've. Just always connected to them. Just because I felt like something special and in Thailand elephants are very sacred. So just everything kinda fits all in the one. And I hope you don't mind me asking this. If you do totally understand. But as you tell them very perceptive when it comes to the social media stuff, I realized you weren't on Twitter anymore and all that and NF talked to your manager about this and something came to my tension yesterday. I I mentioned to him because I know that you were it's rare to have two fighters in the dating each other. And I know you were data franca Macedo. And then I realized because you guys were the cutest couple in the world. I mean, I saw all this like very, you know, PDA, but it was beautiful pedia. And then I noticed whereas I don't see her anymore. Please. Don't tell me what I think I think right now come on areo some on man, why you digging right there. He put it out there. You put the love out there. And just sad about it. I must admit I was really said. Yeah. Like, I definitely I don't really have anything like that. Or anything to say? It's just like it's life life and careers. As fighters are important things, you know, like. We we have a lot fighters, man. Like, we need to focus on fighting. Right. It's I think that every fighter who wants to be at the highest level. This should focus on their thing. I don't even know why have this weird? Fair enough. But it was out there. You know, if it was out just curious, I was hoping you you'd say, but that's I'm sorry. I'm very nosy as you know, I have a big nose, and I get nosy. But I appreciate you. Because I'd like your social media. You post them? Good stuff. That's all. That's really what this is all about. So love the always nothing beloved. Okay. Seriously for for me. Right. Just for everybody. Okay. For everybody. So afterwards. Eric wrote a great tweet we were talking about it earlier about how he hasn't had his whip like that since like nineteen eighty seven or something like that. Did you did you talk to he seemed he seemed to be taking a well. But that really was a one-sided beat down. And even I saw people who were sort of saying widened his corner stopped the fight. Did you did you have a word with Eric? You've been on the other side of a tough loss. Did you? Did you guys talk afterwards? Because it seemed like there was mutual respect there. Yeah. I saw him at the bar downstairs at the hotel. And I just went and told them like, Amen. Thank you so much because what I told him. Exactly, hey, like because it was you and because I had to fight you. That was the hardest. I ever had to train and that I ever studied. It made me elevate everything chain super hard. I did my homework. I capitalize on a lot of mistakes. Just so many things, and it was because I knew that was coming up against a giant, man. Like to me like I looked at Erica Anders is a giant like with a heart like heart of giant blood of a giant like he's hard to put away. And I knew that I couldn't just take any crazy chances or get too. Ahead of myself. I knew that I would have to work and be smart this. And so I just I told him all of these things, and I told them like much respect than you know. And and it was because of him that I had to go to work and really bring out the best version of myself who's incredibly impressive performance, especially after all the changes you've made in terms of training. And what happened in your last fight? How much time off do you wanna take now before your next one time off not like not too much? I really am very eager to get back yet back to Thailand in start. Just getting settled in especially working over at tiger. I only got to do maybe six weeks there if that five or six weeks and everything was very new just meeting. Everybody meeting the Hickam Hickman brothers in how things work. So now that I know how things work now can actually like establish. You know, like establish a specific type of training. So that you know, all this stuff can elevate. So time off is like the next couple of weeks. I'm just here in Vegas in my family, just reconnecting 'cause I've been away for so long, and then and then just back to training in and getting stuff in so. Definitely I hear there's a Singapore card at the end of the month. I mean at the end of the year. Hopefully, if that's true, I would love to get on that. But one more before that for sure so maybe maybe fall into summer. Fall would be perfect to go back in there. Again, anyone come to mind. No. But that would be one thing that we're definitely going to look at too. I definitely, you know, I'm not the guy who ever liked calls anybody out. But I think that we'll start to will start to to look at names and see what's what's the best. What's the best match up? So we we will be looking I will be looking and and adding people's names month for sure, and you feel like it seems to me like you're just scratching the surface here with your new training do feel like we're about we're about to see a whole new. The two point. Oh started on Saturday. But there's a lot more room to grow here with with what you're doing in Thailand that we're gonna see a much different Khalil Roundtree. The next time you fight. Yeah. Hundred percent, there's there's a lot definitely scratching the surface. This is almost like a new beginning. And a lot of people saw that. They saw that too. And the guys in the division. They saw that as well. So it's like, you know, there's there's new things to build off of those new ways to prepare. How to how to beat me and things like that? So yeah, it's a bunch of new building blocks and the marathon continues. Warhorses marathon continues or maybe we a war horse two point. Oh or something like that. Because it was a lot of fun to see a different version of you out there. And I love the stance stance was great keep doing that. If it doesn't actually help or do anything. It's just fun to watch. That's only plays a key role for the uninformed. What does it do? Why do you like that? I don't want to give away my secrets like like in DC and Joe Rogan pointed out in the fight. The just keeps that front leg light. You know, if I wanna fly kick if I wanna fly off t- aiding the kind of keep distance. I use a kind of sometimes to just if I want to stay in the pocket. Just relax a little bit. Brought legs they're light. So that I can keep keep my opponent. All right. Great stuff Khalil. I appreciate it. Very much. Congratulations on the victory. Well done. Welcome back. And please don't hate me for asking that question. Oh, man. So try my hardest. Not to. Let me tell you something. I don't wanna live in a world where Khalil Roundtree hates me the nicest human being on the planet. So if I think I might have to call it a day man, I'm going to do my best spend the whole day like meditating on how to forgive you. Oh khalil. I'm sorry. Much lower. Appreciate it. All right there. He is Khalil Roundtree. Welcome back. What a performance out of him on Saturday. What a win against Eric Anders tough opponent who perhaps should go back to one eighty five. I don't know. What's going to be interesting to see what he decides to do? But a great win nonetheless four Khalil Roundtree junior. Alright. In a matter of moments, we're gonna be joined by our next guest. I'm told that he is joining us. He is the former bell tower featherweight champion. He is a man who just returned a couple of weeks ago was victorious in his return. But what a back story what a road to that return for Daniel Strauss. He joins us now via the magic Skype. Daniel how are you? Going home. I I'm doing well. Thank you very much for joining us, by the way, congratulations to the team dust Emporia. I know you're you're you're buds of them. Great win firm right on Saturday. It's been a long time coming he's been grinding for longtime and can be more proud of them. You know what? I mean. He definitely deserves. It man. He's he's a hard worker. Greg. Great fighter. Very humble. So it definitely deserved him. It seems like everyone loves max in him. But every you know, max ready champion the fact that he finally got that built us then got that built the whole MMA community seems very happy for for Dustin, especially what he's doing with the charity back home in Louisiana. So I I'm really happy for him as well. I know. Dozens background where he's coming from Louisiana blessing unseen the. You know, been doing this thing for a long time. Like, I said it's well deserved. And like you like you said with a lot of people like max. And both of them are great both of them. Great fighters. But like I said, I just couldn't be more heavy phone. That's great. Well, happy for us. Well, so great Hugh back what an amazing story. And I know I would imagine there's probably a part of that is tired of talking about what happened on that night in December of two thousand seventeen the the seventeenth of December to be exact, but for those that don't know one more time could you tell us what happened and what you went through. Basically, what happened was I was involved in a motorcycle accidents around a dead bone hit hit a guard world rail and was stuck up under gar real and had some damage my neck central corrida contue or central cord injury than shutdown my body. So I had no movement on my right side had no movement through my body in his doting back in, you know, initially when a when it happened. I was being told I'm not gonna fight again. I'm not going to be able to walk straight not gonna be able to do a lot of things in. So. Yeah. This past year and a half minutes spent a lot of just staying focused and just south building, you know, just working on myself and trying to get back to the fine. And you know, you have any recollection as to why the accident happened. You know, what the be honest. I don't remember what happened. I've had some people. Tell me one thing of had other people. Tell me other things I really don't know. Exactly what happened. 'cause I went out like a went out. So. No. I don't exactly know. What happened? Oh, okay. And you actually stuck under the rail was stuck up under the guardrail. I didn't. So usually like if you hit something you're gonna slide, but how I hit Alvarado hit. I went right up under the guardrail and I did move. So I didn't like slide in avenue of rug burn or no, no road rash or anything like that. I just stuck. So I think that's what really caused a lot of the damage on that. Oh, my and was their fear that you would never walk again initially. For me. No. You know, they said that to me it just winning one air another. I know how so a norm athlete on on a very strong minded, very strong body and premiered just was like. Yeah. Listening. You know what I mean? And they want day to day three, you know, first weeks I week everything started to come back. So I knew it was gonna take a a no is gonna take a while. But I knew I could get back to how long did it take for you to get out of bed. At a it was like on my own was good. Oh, probably we're gonna half if not more. Wow. And were you out initially like did it take you a couple days to wake up from it? No. I guess you know, I was back up within a contest you maybe ten minutes of that accident. Okay. So all I really remember heading boom. Why don't remember actually hitting but hit nicely? I remember waking up under the guardrail seeing the guardrail, and I couldn't really move at all. So I was trying to screen for somebody pulled me out from under the guardrail eventually truck pulled up and helped out in Kabulis and not have stuff. So. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think if you weren't an athlete if you weren't as strong as you are that you don't make this kind of recovery? I mean on ninety five like just to like have a normal life and walk in the way, you do for sure the up until a lot, you know, just just been athlete and just doing things that we've done as athlete at athletes fighting training, and just you know, the rigorous. You know, workouts that we gotta do it helped me with my mindset as far as like bouncing back with their. I went to a lot there. I went to therapy and seeing people that were were dogging. But they didn't really have hope for what they were doing next. You know, they're just doing it for me. I just went there. And I just knew I was gonna try to get better. I was gonna get better. I was gonna walk out of there. And that's just the mindset I kept. So been athlete is always just, you know, main Shawna person thing did they did anyone actually say to you? Okay. Like, you make a recovery you could walk and have a normal life, but fighting out of the question. Yeah. That was that was the number one thing that was told to going into the the hospital person. They wanna do is emergency surgery told him, I couldn't do emergency surgery. 'cause I fought in the first thing he said is you don't have to worry about that. If you know. Wow. That's gonna be that's over with. So it was a little tussle not really tussle. But we. Had words back and forth. In like, I told him not not doing surgery. I'm definitely fighting again. And you know, we just road from there, you know, my management and. Michelle polling from fact, athletes, they got on top of it family. You know, some better some better doctors than a great therapy place for me to go to and that was that. That's so what did they wanna have surgery on the wanted a fuse? My from my see foresee five and c six. And so and you said, no, we're not doing this, not we're not. Yeah. It's maybe not always the smartest thing. But this is this is my life. This is what I wanted to do wanna fight. Have been injured most of my career. You know? I mean, this isn't something. That's not me. It's not something that wasn't aware of you know, just the accident made it kinda stand out. So. In. Oh, just keep saying here in battling don't want God to I don't have no other choice. This is my life. You know? This is what I love to do. So wasn't really be anything that helped me from him. So Indian did you have any surgery? No, I'm eventually going to have to have surgery. But right now just completely therapy surgery on what? On that. Oh, so that that same surgery. I don't know if I'm going to actually have that same surgery or one that's similar, but I'm gonna have to have some some, you know, some doctors go into my knife from from the years of wrestling and the Desportivo him as taking the toll on my body and my neck, so I definitely have some issues up there. But I'm you know, I'm able to fight. So how long did it take for you to feel hundred percent? Say I'm there yet. Oh, I just feel like I feel like I can continue to build on where I'm at. So I've never felt like I was ever hundred percent. You know, I could be one hundred percent maybe six months ago. But for me, I don't feel like I'm a hundred percent because I feel like I could continue to do. You know, I continue to have deficits that I've been working on, you know, three months ago, they were there now they're not. So for me, I can see growth and in others. It's about for me. So I still I can be a hundred percent down the road. But it's just about building for me. How long did it? Take for you to feel like okay, I can accept the fight here. I can go in a training camp. I think I went back into the gym sometime in like July somewhere around there of two thousand eighteen. Last year two thousand eighteen that's like seven months later. Exactly. So saying. You know, I wasn't doing much wasn't doing any spun or any, you know, major anything, but just in there and. After that. I felt like if I could just build on this, you know, I'll be a blood to to get in ripe position. So it was about a good. You know, a year a good year in December. I'll say I was ready to definitely take a fight. Did you feel initially when you when you were starting to train to do feel worried like about your neck about doing the wrong thing? Did you feel hesitant tentative at all? I'm in the natural reactions. I'm not too too nervous of it. Because like I said it's been ongoing problem for years. I've been working with this this leg since I've been in his game. So just because other people know about it doesn't mean it's something that's going. Not me off my rocker. So yeah, I was a little tentative, but nothing that was going to shake or happy not get back into the cage. Mentally, what was the process like what were the days where you thought you may never walk again properly that you really did believe you wouldn't fight again. How how was it? Oh, yeah. There's a lot of down days under it was good days bad days. But it's definitely been a rocket road like, mentally, you know, I had days where I wanted to give up mentally there was other days where I was on top of the world because I could see the improvement and. The funny thing is is one of my last doctor visits. I had told myself going into it. I'm just like, you know, what I don't know. If I really question myself a lot. I don't know if this was something I wonder continue doing so you played with me a lot. But. You know, I think. Just a to test man to test the power. You went in there you want just a couple of weeks ago. Like, I said you look good. I mean, it was just impressive considering what happened in the footage that we've seen of you courtesy of Bill tour when you actually one when the flight was over, and you knew that you came all the way back and and want in your fight and sort of look like your old self. What was that like emotionally? It was a lot man. Like, a is kind of hard to describe, you know, it's it's not just me. This has been a a group effort among a lot of people. You know, friends family coaches, everyone knows my daughter's a big part of my life. So it wasn't. It wasn't just a good win for me. It was something refreshing for or you know, a lot of people that that's been on this road with me. So it was good to get back into win column. But I look at it like in you know, any other fight when in my job got out ready to go back. Now. Did you feel like yourself out there? No, I don't really not yet. You know what? I mean. It was. It was good to get in there. And see where I was at and see you're not how could handle the pressure of coming back to fighting and whatnot. But like I said man, I feel like I can keep building. I keep. Can get to one hundred soon just as long as I keep building keep building keep building. So you know, I think I can fight just like the old me, but I would like to keep building on just like any other fight of wood or so we're you more nervous anxious to normally because this was the first fight in a while. And after the injury things though. You know? Things IT was real bad. You know, going into the fight making way and to twenty four hours between not make them wait and get into the cage, which is kind of nuts. When me, you know. I had a lot of you know, Zayed's shoes. I had a lot of doubt ahead. Then that raise the doubt, you know. I was just going on up and down on stuff. So it was definitely a a game changer for me. And is that not typical for you? Not really, you know, I usually just a block everything out. My family, my friends there and. I don't think anything about anything just from two weeks leading up to my fight. I usually just switch. I don't really care about anything. I don't really have too many like notions or or worries or anything like that. I just come to fight. That's just what I do a fight. And this was the only time I really I mean, I've been nervous. Of course. I'm nervous twenty four fights. But this time was a little different. Just like I said things idea they are the whole, you know, he's hurt. He's back. You know? Let's see how he does. So that was just really over one. Wow. Do you think that's going to stay with, you know, this part of your new reality or or now that you've got the first one out of the way you feel like that? I don't know side. I don't know. I would like to think that that'll be done. Okay. In. I work on my mental a lot. Even my coaches help me work on it. So it's just one of those things that if you break your hand, you know, you go into your next you're going to be thinking about it. You know, if you terrib-, you know, hamstring, whatever you go into these next fights thinking about it. So it's not anything that's not unheard of not normal. But just keep pushing forward man, I keep trying to build those blocks, and and the get over the hump and over the wall that I have. And now, here's my biggest question for you. Because I saw this clip. But I don't know if that's like old footage or not are you are you back to riding motorcycles. How's that? Even this is why I feel like I will never be. I can't even understand the mind of a fighter. And how courageous you guys are and how special you are. If that happened to me, I would I wouldn't even walk like within one hundred feet of of a motorcycle your back riding them. How's that possible? Because the reason why was back riding is because I had to get back by and if I couldn't get back on the bike. I knew I couldn't get back inside the cage. Okay. And you know, again, that's just a minimum and a little bit of the crazy thing. So got on the bike still running been hit yet. So good. And how long did it take for you to get back on the bike for the first time after the search? That's a while. You're what was that? Like the first time. Real nerve wrecking. I was going about seven miles an hour. I thought it was about the Dan resist. It was kinda comical actually if you were there, but it was nerve wracking mound. More nerve racking than the hours before the fight. I think so because I love writing stuff much, you know, what I mean? I don't wanna I don't wanna get that up. I don't wanna get nothing up. I wanna get his five or not. But riding a definitely don't want to give up. You know, you go down you big yourself up, whatever. But I don't wanna have to give up something that I love so. Yeah, I think it was nerve-wracking take over a year to get back on the bike probably about a year a little under year because I wasn't supposed writer, obviously. But. But you're gonna tell me. Have you have you ever seen the doctor who told you that you would never fight again that it was like an obvious thing? I haven't I definitely wanted to go reach out to the gab put a. You know, I never went back and seeing those it's water, underbrush. Although I have seen my therapist over. His name's gay over at a narrow fit three sixty guy. Definitely put a lot of work into me. And if anything he's the one that I wanted to see more because he put a lot of time in effort into me, and he did believe in. He did believe in me, and you know. Doc is gonna tell you whatever they're gonna tell you. You know, I don't really did there for a reason they gotta make money, whatever. But someone that time and to me that's who I really care about. So that's why. I went back and show, you know, their progress. Wow. Did you did you did you see the fight? Yeah. That's amazing. That's incredible. What a story when you want to return. Tomorrow fuck in. Ready whenever I think I wanna get something in the summer. You know? The past couple of years been a little lackluster with the injuries and sit down while, but I wanna get back on this. I want to get back on my group, man. I wanna just give fighting stay stay healthy, stay active. I'm very happy for you, man. I'm also happy that the hair is has grown out because I was like man, it was devastating when you have to cut that that was my heart bled for you on that one. So the hair is back. You are back. You're close to one hundred percent. What a great story well done to you. You're an inspiration. Really incredible to see what you were able to overcome. Congratulations on all of that. And congratulations on the win a couple of weeks ago. I'm looking forward to your next one. Appreciate thank my pleasure. There is Daniel Strauss. What a story on our YouTube page on YouTube dot com slash ESPN, m a couple of weeks ago. We posted a video that I believe to produced of his recovery. It's a little bit about the the accident. Self say, there's not a lot of footage of that. But then a lot. Of great footage really inspiring footage on the recovery. And so if you want to see more on what Daniel Strauss had to overcome. I highly suggest checking it out he defeated Shane crutch in on March twenty ninth into Mexico beat him in the first round via rear, naked, choke part of that he had lost to enroll and. Like, I said, he's a former bell tour featherweight champion two time built or featherweight champion. And now, I'm curious to see what this new Daniel Strauss. Does in his return after that horrific motorcycle accident? Okay. One man who knows a lot about Daniel Strauss is our next guest. We're efforting as they like to say the TV business corporate Jake loves to say efforting, that's one of his favorite lights corporate shape was in Atlanta with us for the first time corporate, Jake and your Rick were in Atlanta for different reasons, different jobs. But I thought that I didn't know if Atlanta was big enough for those to you goes in in the end Atlanta survive. But if you if you felt when you include yourself, well, no, I think I'm pretty humble guy. How on a scale of one to ten how much does Khalil Roundtree? Do you think? Do you think hates me right now? Do you think he really hates me? Like, do you think that fifteen fifteen percent fifty? Josh I was actually excited there for a second. When you said fifteen percent. My theory is if you're going to be that open with the the good stuff, and then when it's very noticeable. I feel like it's it's worth worth asking much to put on the spot. But I just felt like, wow, I was actually kind of hurt by it. It was it was one of the great love affairs in our sport. And I didn't want it to be true. And there's only one way to find out. And that's to ask someone maybe you can make the argument on on an interview. But you know, here we are talking about having a nice conversation. And I feel like I did in the end, or at least that's what I'm telling myself. I hope I sell shit. He's a great guy. I mean, a true bench. If there ever was one one of the nicest human beings in the sport. So anyway, I'll be thinking about that. Until I. Apologize profusely afterwards. But in a matter of moments, we're going to be joined by one of the head coaches at American top team. Our our other producer Daniels told me that if I watch game of thrones that will salvage it. I feel like not I actually was watching Charles Barkley yesterday on the NBA TNT pre-game show. And he said that he has not seen game of thrones. A second of it or the sopranos I have not seen sopranos game of thrones. The wire I have not seen a give me some other ones that everyone watches. There's there's like those other those another one all those breaking bad never seen an episode all those shows that everyone's been watching these days, you know, the ones haven't seen the second of them the wonder years phenomenal fresh principal air phenomenal Seinfeld. Even better the rest, not a second. And you know what? Dan, proud of it. I will never watch him. All you wasting your time on a Sunday night watching that nonsense. Come on. Oh, yes. Greg Rosenstein, reminding me fight club never seen it either. What else star? War's never seen it. And here's one that will probably blow your mind you ready for this one ready for this. I've probably seen of all the films, and I'm talking about the new ones of all the Rockies. I probably seen five percent a little bit here a little bit there. I've never sat down and watched a full rocky. How about that mind blown or what anyone everyone I did see creed. And I saw the rocky one at the end, which is almost more barium anything like I saw the Mason the line Dixon one with Antonio Tarver. Saw that one saw creed didn't see any old ones. What was I doing a child? You may ask as watching a lot of basketball. I was watching a lot of other sports, you know, live sports, but it wasn't like a big movie TV guy. I like a lot of WB law of wrestling little WCW, but more WWE WWF guy, if I'm be I have seen ready to rumble voice of God. I have seen ready to rumble that was a phenomenal film. Starring David Arquette. In fact, I think I saw multiple times Assad them theaters. And I thought it was great and love how they made the movie into an angle afterwards. Like, then he became champion. Like, I was one of those people. He actually won this belt right here. Not the end up yo, but the the world heavyweight championship. I was one of those people who actually thought the angle was good. I didn't feel like it. You know, it's soil de sanctity of the title. I thought everyone was acting a little bit too hoity toity. So I've seen that. That's a great film. And otherwise, you can you can ask me if there are any other, you know, culturally impactful films or TV shows, I probably have not seen them. The wonder years, though, if you're if you're out there, and you have not seen the wonder years, please trust me on this. The wonder years pretty much sums up my my entire adolescence. It's just a phenomenal series. You guys saw back there. Right. Anyone wonder your fans? Yes. No, okay. Jay, my man JC in the wonder years. I knew I could count on him anyhow matter moments. We're going to be joined by Mike Brown and wanna give a shout out to rich Franklin who on Saturday. It was announced is the second inductee in be Jeff Wagoner manager big lebowski never seen it. That's another one. Wow. I'm a huge loser. Even bigger than I thought never seen it. There you go. There's another Star Wars never seen it. How about that? Not a second. Okay, fine. I'm going to I'm going to take I've seen all of those. I love those. I did see back to the future that counts. Anyway, rich Franklin inducted into the hall of fame or will be inducted. He was announced as a inductee for twenty alongside Michael bisbee. He's going in as a pioneer, by the way, the bad guy couple of weeks ago. You'll recall I actually said remember, I said jen's Pulver who it's all looking good because Franklin's a pioneer, but maybe next year. And then I said rich Franklin at the end. So apparently someone in zoo for land is paying attention to the program because. I said, and usually when I say these things speak them into existence, but in all honesty that was a nice surprise. I actually saw rich Franklin. Couple of weeks ago at the one championship media event in Las Vegas before UFC two thirty five and I was like a rich longtime. No, see he he now works for one championship and he lives in Singapore. So it's not like you'll see him in Vegas or see him at a random you have event. He's kind of out of sight outta mind. And he was talking to me a little bit about his relationship with you have see and and I actually brought up the hall of fame and why I feel like I feel you should be honored. I mean, you were one of the faces of the you have C he headlined the first ever tough finale people forget about that. They think it's Bonnard Griffin or Sanchez floor. You know, it was Ken shamrock vs. Rich Franklin in the main event of the tough one finale, and he beat Ken shamrock. And then he went on to win the title against Tanner. And he went onto the fend the title against Nate quarry. Remember that amazing knockout where Koi stiff as a board as he was falling down, and then he'd be my favorite fighter at the time. David laws, which I was a little bit set about. But I always thought that he should be on it. I know he wasn't the longest title reign of all time. But it was a pretty successful, title rain. And of course, he he ran into a buzzsaw and Anderson Silva, but I always thought he should be in the hall of fame. So I'm happy to hear that they are putting him in the hall of fame. I think it's a little funky. How I love that they're paying more attention to the whole fame. These days I've talked about this in the past. I think it's a little funky that they're sticking to it has to be one pioneer and one modern day. Like, I just feel like the most deserving should go in. It's all like in the baseball hall of fame. You say, you know, it's gonna be one pitcher one outfielder or something like that. But fame is different. I just like that they're taking more seriously. They're making it to a big deal in your call. We spoke about this couple of weeks ago. It's just one fight card. This international flight weekend. If you will if you want to call it that it's Saturday night. But then on Friday, they're going to have the hall of fame. So they used to have like the tough Anneli on Friday now. No, more tough Anneli jus-. Just one card and then hall of fame on Friday. So I am excited about that. I'm looking forward to that wanna give shutout as we're trying to. Okay. Mic branches landed. So we're gonna call him or should we swap? We could swap give them a little more time. All right. Ross pearson. Retired all the best to him. One of the pioneers of UK MMA. So he retired last Monday karleena Koehler Keva versus Alexa, Grosso has been added to you see two thirty eight in. Chicago that's June eighth. They had that seasonal press conference on Friday in Atlanta up the stars of the whole darn thing. We're pseudo Sudas gimmick right now where he keeps reminding us that he's an Olympic champion Olympic gold medalist is just phenomenal. I hope he keeps it up Ben aspirin. I thought was great even though his opponent Horry. Mas. Widow was not there. And fortunately, no, John Jones. He was under the weather. They said, but Santos was there. And how about Anthony Smith? I asked him about Luke rock holds comments on this show a couple of weeks ago, and holy smokes. If it was up to me after hearing that why don't we just do Luke rock hold versus Anthony Smith on July sixth and then do young block wits versus Alexander Gustafsen on June. First who would hate that? Honestly. I mean that was just an incredible promo. If there ever was one. It was amazing. Did you hear what he said about about Rockall and see what the punch a hole in them? And you'd fight him tomorrow on one leg he really does. Not like, Luke rock, hold Anthony Smith and Rachael seems to have no respect for Anthony Smith. I wanna see them. Switch it just switch it. Just call. The audible who would care who would be upset everyone in Stockholm is buying tickets for gusts of sin. He's the main draw there, and what an addition to international fight week that card on July six if you do Smith versus rock old. There's legit heat there. The Jit heat. Anyway, that was great. And also, I asked Inuit about Brock Lester, and he said that it's not a done deal. I never reported by the way that it was a done deal. Just for the record. I said that's what they want which they've been open about. That's what he wants Brock wants. But I never said it was done deal. All this talk. That is fake news and said it was done deal. That's what they want. So the working on it. Anyway, let's go to our next guest standing by joining us via FaceTime head coach for the new UFC interim, which the great Mike Brown there. He is just landed use land Mike fresh off the plane literally a couple of minutes late. But we're here where are you right now? You're in the airport. Yeah. Well, honored airport just landed just chilling doing this interview with us. Happy to be here. This is still smiling Saturday. Okay. Great. Well, let's go to the beginning here, by the way. Congratulations the team. When did you first start working with Emporia? Do you recall two thousand twelve the first fight was Jonathan? Brooklyn's? Okay. And when you first met him compared to who he is today and how he fights today. How big of a change how big of an improvement. Would you say? I mean, I don't know how I can put it in numbers or measurements. But it's pretty damn big. I mean, he's he was always a super talented guy. You know, both physically and mentally. But he's he he's come a lot in both in both parts as mental game is increased dramatically and physically he's changed quite a bit. Also. Okay. So I'm happy that you highlighted the mental game because I feel like maybe he was always destined to be the bridesmaid. It seemed like when he got the big flayed for whatever reason he couldn't get over that hump. How did you turn them into this kind of mentally strong fighter? What did you guys do? Well, I can't take credit for his success. But I will say I mean, the big thing was he he's always been a monster and super talented. I think one of the biggest changes came after the Michael Johnson side, you know, like. He's so he's so. Talented. He hit so hard with old hands. But also conditioning is really really phenomenal. And he usually did he didn't get to show that off because normally he would run out there and try to knock the dude senseless a minute or two, right? And and that would work four out of five times. But if he slows it down and a little more careful and protects himself a little better. The winning percentage goes ways way, you know, nine out of ten ten ten now, you know, it's like because he doesn't he keeps his power in both ends for for twenty five minutes. There's no reason to go out there and get into a crazy firefight in in the first minute. As you were preparing for this fight when you found out about this fight and the build up to this flight. How confident were you that you guys would come out on top? Because it seemed like all the experts were picking Holloway Holloway. I believe was a slight favorite going in by the time. The you know, the books were closed. How confident were you heading into it? I was confident in your honestly like I mean, I have a ton of respectful Holloway Holloway's study. He's a. You know, one of the pound best has been for long time. But twenty five minutes is a long time to being there at Dustin. I feel it's like he's going to get to you at one point. You know, he that's a long time to be dodging his bullets. He hits very hard with both hands. And. Yeah. I just thought he would he would he would hurt him at some point. I was actually surprised. Max took so many hard shots kid is incredible. As his coach. And I couldn't agree with you. And and it seemed to me as the pictures here. There was a bigger size advantage than I was expecting like I thought this would be the fight where max Holloway finally come to the conclusion that he's better off as a lightweight at least right now at twenty seven I feel like you should actually go back to one forty five because there was a big size advantage or disadvantage for him. Did you did you expect that as well? You could see that. I couldn't tell much much aside max little taller Dustin was, you know, look thicker and muscular thought, but I mean, I could see definitely power edge. But I kind of see that. A lot with Dustin. I mean, it's very hard. And it doesn't go away. He's gonna hit hard for twenty five minutes as far as what he did in there. And as far as you being his head coach, what were you most proud of in terms of executing the game plan? What you guys at worked on? What were some of the highlights of the fight for you from your eyes? For me. It was the the most he was ever listened and was receptive to coaching while like in there. I don't always see that from him. He's very instinctual fighter. A lot of times. He just goes in there. And does his thing. Killer be killed. And it's used the guy that goes down. But. But. Many many times you you hear the call. And he would he would immediately try it. And it was working the south. They were calling was was working. And it was it was cool to see that, you know. Did you talk to him about this before the fed? Like, hey, I need you to listen to me more. I need you be more receptive to my coaching. Or is this just something that happened? I mean, that's something that, you know. Myself. Dia who's a major part of his game pit bull. I mean, we've all been doing this. This is something we've been trying to push and it's always improving. I mean di- is is is boxing coach. And I mean that's his game, man. His hands are incredible. He's also always working his kicks and knee game with bit bull. It's he's a very well rounded guy and he's implementing. Different things all the time. His life study, you know, and he's always getting better as the story goes he actually went from his home in Louisiana to Florida before even had a fight boat. But he felt like something was coming. He desperately wanted that shot at the title. He was blowing up Dana White's phone, and so I'm wondering as coach like how do you stop him from either a cracking, but be peaking too soon? Because you're there you're training for you. Don't even have a fight yet. Like that must have been a tricky game in its own, right? Correct. Yeah. It's pulling them back a little bit. Pulling back on the reins. You. Don't go hard every day. Sometimes it's just about you know, being being in there working on stuff. You know, you don't have to kill yourself all the time. When you're in there just to steady progress, you know, trying trying to get better every day, but we don't need to destroy bodies doing. I think that's the big difference. He, but it was it was a couple times in the camp where we had to pull him back to rest him because he was there for thirteen weeks, and especially with a big fight on your mind. You can't help. But but push very hard. Have you seen the fight back? Have you watched the replay? I did I did. I watched it back that night actually excited to watch it again. It was incredible fight. I mean, max Holloway's stud, and it was thing beauty. Yeah. It really was those two flights in particular like coming back toback was emotional almost to watch them, especially live. How did you score? It. You know? What's funny? I chatted with you about it. Like just after the fight. And after looking kind of went down like I thought I thought he won the first two. And I thought those are very clear he had heard him bad in both of them the second around maybe max was controlling it for maybe three and a half four minutes with a little more volume. But then he got hurt bad at the end of the second. So it was clearly he was up to then I thought Dustin got out worked in third. And then I thought he he won the force. But it was close by thirty one. I thought bad judge could give it to to max. And you kind of kind of score it like that always think. Well, you know, we wonder lost that round. But but was it close enough where they can screw it up. And it was close enough. We could screwed up. So I thought we still had to win the fifth. I thought he won the fifth. So I thought we won four one. But I knew maybe we might see three two, but it came down like I thought, and then I looked back into scorecards and all three judges had it just like that. The they all gave max third evening Mogomedov thought it was a draw. So. I don't know how we scored. How did you have? I thought the exact same as you. I can't even I don't understand how we can get to draw because that would mean there had been a ten eight and their right to be a draw because there's five rounds. So I don't see where the Tenny comes from maybe his mining at a ten ten somewhere or something. But that's a unicorn you never see ten tents right now, of course. But I just think. I knew he was going to get one of those rounds four or five I thought I thought he went both of them. But I'm like, there's no ways. I thought also a bad judge could give them all sides. You know, the third round was semi close. I thought matched one it. But you know, a badge could also have five zero dusting anything in particular out of the ordinary. I'm always curious about this. We just talked to about it that you said to him going into the fifth sometimes in those those final moments that your together going into the last round of championship fight, you go to a different place. You talk about something else to put them in the right mindset to to, you know, put an exclamation point on the performance anything out of the ordinary that you were called telling him in those final moments. The only thing different, you know, five minutes when this round in your world champ. So that's heavy words. This is what this is his dream. And it's been his his goal from from the time I've known him. And and he's been clear about it. He's not in it for for second place. And it's it's all or nothing with him. And he's made the sacrifices. It's beautiful to see a beautiful moment. And it's the fact that chokes along road the hard road that he is the. The guy who took the second most amount of flights ever to get there. I only this thing has fought more time to get to that title. So it's. Is beautiful to see somebody's hard work finally pay off. And it's his motivation is pure and. It's just a beautiful thing. I couldn't agree more. It seems like everyone is so happy for him. And maybe it's because max already has title. So it's not all lost for him. He gets his title dusting gets his tight on like you said what a road it has been twenty two fights. It takes for him to get that UFC title shot and to win that built and the emotion that he showed afterwards. I mean, all of it was just so beautiful. And I wonder if for you guys do you feel and I know that like I almost hate that we have to ask this and harp on it. But does it feel like he's a champion or do you feel like okay this just secures? Our spot to fight the champion. How do you view that belt because it isn't interim title, but to me it feels like a world title because he'd be the world champion. Okay. Okay. Who is the world champ? This is not like. He beat a guy who's. You know, I I don't know ranked nine in the way class. So if you the guy who's a world champion hasn't lost for however, many fights he's one of the pound for pound best. It was. To me. It was it was very fulfilling and. I'm happy with it could be by. We'll be we'll be exciting. That's another world champ. This is this is big stuff, man. This is four four fights in a row or dozens. A world champion or former world champion. Yeah. With with Eddie Alvarez with with Pettus with gateway and now with Matt's guys are world champions. I mean, he's he's beating superstars and they're all fight of the night. Fight of the year candidates, right? He's pfizer. Incredible. This is this is special. This is a special guy. It's one of the great war fight stretches and UC history and be honest with me, did you see this? Did you see this coming when you first met him going into that broken? Did you think he could turn into this? Duties? I did man. He's. See he's got some gifts. He's it's there's a lot of mental. And there's some there's some I think genetics our factor. And he's got all he's got everything that he needs. Man. You got the drive, and he's got he's got this credible credible punching power and incredible gas tank, and and I always say this. I think the gas tank is the most important attribute can have as a fighter cardio was king. And with without that, it's difficult in these in these long sites in five rounds fights with world class guys. I mean, anyone can win a one minute to minute by anybody can write. But these these five minute wars with with stunts with world class fighters, you need to have a very good Gaston world class and. His is good as it gets. How about this sequence? After the fight. He says, quote, I've been saying it all week to her my wife, my management and my team that in the words of teddy. Atlas I knew I had twenty five minutes to make life nothing. And then how about teddy? Atlas tweeting that did you see that what he wrote? He's adulation. The word champion was created for people. Like you. That's teddy. Atlas legend teddy atlas that as a coach yourself that has to be pretty darn cool to see that recognition from him. Very cool. I've heard quotes from Dustin for you bit. You know, he's follows Teddy's a big boxing fan. And and those. Those words were compelling to him. Those those men something and. He he feels them people any any believes in that. He made it happen. You know, it did matter who who was in front of him. He knew he could he could punch his way to to a better life punches way to world championship. Now, you know, very, well, Mike, your former fighter this is a crazy game. Are you one hundred percent confident that he will get Habib next and September. Yeah. I mean. I couldn't see anything. Besides that. You know? I mean unless there's barring injury, right, right? Just the politics. You know, people sliding in there taking the spot. We've see I mean, look no further than Kobe Covington, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean that was a case where there was uninjured injury was a factor that that was the problem. But. But why wouldn't you wanna make that fight? You know, what dusted is? Dustin is the fight. Everyone wants to see this is going to be any concerns about having a fight him. Abu dhabi. You know, I think once you're in the cage. It's it's just two guys in there doesn't matter who's on the outside. I don't think that's a factor. Sometimes I think I preferred fighting on the road. I liked that. I liked the when everyone count you out. I like when the booze. You know, this is like if fires you up it makes you. You know, sometimes it's tougher when you're home and everyone thinks you're you're amazing. And you're gonna kill the guy. That's tougher. Those are you got higher standards those stand up to whatever. But when you're the underdog where everybody's count you out. I I kind of liked those those moments end, it's I think the pressure's off you can be loose, and relaxed and fight. That's my take. And I think that's the same. And that's the best one. He's points. Haven't thought he's loosened relaxed? He's going do it, man. Twenty five minutes. It's hard Dodds. Those those bullets for twenty five minutes from this kid. The flight isn't even forty eight hours old. But I'm wondering if you've already started to think about Habib and a path to victory and had to beat this, man. He's undefeated. He's lost maybe one round in his career. Maybe to have you ready started to find the fact that you're thinking about him and how to beat them. Of course, man. I'm I'm not a student of the game. I love the sport on the fan. I'm always watching studying stakes for for many reasons, and I've always thought about how dozens match up with this guy because I know venture. It's going to happen. I know he's coming. He's going to the top. And he's going to be there. Eventually these fights are going to happen. We'll be ready you like the matchup for for Dustin. Yeah. It's a different puzzle to citing puzzle. But got a lot of weapons. He's dangerous on the feed these dangerous on the ground. And most importantly, he's he's in there for five. He's gonna go Hart five what is the difference? Mike, and I'll let you go after this you want the WC title. One of the great performances, and you had your run. But now, you're creating champions. You're the coach you're seeing fighters live out their dreams, and you're there from the beginning helping to mould them as they come to the gym. And I don't mean to. I mean, of course, let's give credit to Tim crater and his team back in Louisiana. But I think AT helped take us into a whole other level. I do say so myself, and I consider you one of the top five coaches, maybe top three in the game right now, you're doing credible work. But for you to see those men and women realize their dreams as opposed to when you did it yourself. What is the difference? Can you even compare the satisfaction that you got from? Then compared to now is one greater than the other. How would you describe that? No, it's beautiful. I couldn't imagine anything greater that. I could be doing my life right now, you know, with what works to meet the dream. You know, it's it's my life study is my passion and just to see. My friends 'cause they're also like one of my very close friends, you know, one of my best friends. So to see kids like dream, come true and changes life, forever changes family's life forever. It's like brings us to my eyes. It's it's just there's no words that can describe it. Amen. Yeah. I think on Saturday that moment outta sign is moment with his family afterwards in his coach for me. At least reminds us again, why we love the sport so much and why we think it's the greatest sport on earth. Congratulations to you and Dustin and the rest of the team. It's really just amazing to see what you've become as a coach Mike, and I really appreciate you doing this literally seconds off of the plane over there. That's that's really cool to do. Thank you so much. I love it. Thanks so much. So much on her. I love I love your show love what you've done. Thank you. Mike Mike Brown head coach for one dust Emporia. What a great moment that was. And also if you follow Dustin on on social media great moment with his daughter at home yesterday where she's talking about his booze and all that on his eye for those asking. Of course, I asked us to come on the show today. But he said he wanted a day off with his family hoping to have mon- next week. So so yes, I see what you're saying. But I mean the guy deserves a day off. All right. I would love to have him on but days offer, very understandable as well. So congratulations to him the whole team Mike Brown the whole team at American top team. It's it's a really great story. And I was happy to witness it in person. Now, let us move along to our next guest. I'm really excited about this. I know a lot of you are as well. In a matter of seconds. We are going to be joined by right now the most decorated wrestler from the great country known as the US avai. He is a four time world champion. He is a former Olympic gold medalist from the two thousand twelve game. He is a multi. Time all American back in the day university in multiple time national champion this man is a beast. He is the face of American wrestling and on may six he'll be competing at the beat the streets event here in New York City. Well, a couple of hours from here in New York City at the Hulu theater attached to Madison Square Garden, he'll be going up against our guy. Ben aspirin in a dream match of sorts at seventy nine kilograms. It will be Jordan Burroughs against Ben aspirin. Wow. And freestyle exhibition wrestling match, this is exciting stuff. And now we are being joined by wrestling royalty Jordan Burroughs, aka all I see is gold. How are you my friend? I'm doing well. Then aerial thanks for having me on your show. I've been a big fan for a long time. Appreciate it. Oh, thank you so much. That means a lot. This is great. This is a real honor for us. Thank you for doing it. I know you're very busy. So I really appreciate the time. So let's let's start with how this came about. Because when I broke the news last week the wrestling community, everyone even casual wrestling fans like whoa, Jordan. Everyone knows Jordan Burroughs. If you aren't a wrestling person, everyone knows who you are. And of course, everyone in made knows Ben how did this match come about? Well, been preceded me in my wrestling career. He was an Olympian in two thousand eight at the same way class at I compete at now. And I was the Olympia in that followed him and twenty twelve of London. And so I think that this has been something that's been imminent. Everyone is wanted to happen for such a long period of time. But when he made a transition MA a lot of people that he had a lot of wrestling left within and he's dabbled with the sport a little bit in the past. And he's really cool things to enhancing grow the reputation that wrestlers have in the US in general. And so I think once a match was on the table like, okay? Let's create a awesome matchup that people can get behind excited about who. Can this guy? Be individual can really generate a move the needle and create buzz that we need in the wrestling community. Ben was guy and he's always willing to elevate his brand and put something on the line. So it's a it's cool to see. I'm glad that he accepted the challenge. And it's going to be a great match have you ever? Competed against them in any way, shape or form. No, Ben is a few years older than me. So when I was a freshman in college, Ben was a senior in college. Right. So he was the man when I was coming up. I was a young book. I wasn't at this elite level and status that I'm at this point in time. So I watched him and allies him he was an icon in our sport. And so then when I started to come into my own established, my when identity I'm like, man, I think I could beat this guy this guy. So this is the first time that will ever get exchange to compete we've rolled around a little bit. But this is the first time that legitimate official matchup with referees and fans and excitement. And that there's something alive sort of be cool. Okay. But you have trained together, right? Yeah. We rolled around who gets the better of who. I'm gonna wait till may six. I don't want to let the cat out of the bag too soon. Okay. It's not fair. I get a lot of respect for Ben. I think he's a I wonder how prepared like I would've what he's doing right now. 'cause he's ingrained so tightly into the UFC culture. And I know he has a fight coming up. But I wonder how he's preparing for this. Because it presents a unique match my impression is he's taking his very seriously. He's training for this. Like, it's a it's a flight like his is his current career fighting. Are you doing that? Because I know you have world championships coming up as well. Yeah. Well, I'm always training hard. I'm always prepared him. Always ready for any opponents on preparing for the very best wrestlers in the world. So that's why going into this match within the state of Ben is in a great wrestler. But I'm preparing for the most elite guys in the world Russia as John Iran. And so this is I don't want to call it a novelty or any showmanship. But when I go out there to compete, I compete to win in this is different Ben reach out to me last night. And you know, if you follow his career, he likes to ruffle feathers. He likes to get under his skin. He hasn't done that to be though, he had so much respect for that. He's like wisened, let's just compete. Let's have a good time took typically like follow him. What Twitter so he gets into people's heads and under their skin vote for me has thrown any shots at me, which I appreciate and respect. But because I think he knows. Thing is to happen because he told me don't even try. He goes, I know you like to stir the pot don't even try to stir the pot because I have the most respect for him. And none of that is coming out of my mouth. I was like come on band. There's got to be something. They're really nothing. You got nothing to likewise. Really? And Likewise, I have I have a ton of respect for Ben as well. But it's gonna be fun, bro. Like, I'm so excited for this event. This is one of the first time a long time that I think that nontraditional wrestling fans are getting excited and behind a wrestling match up. Dislike seeing some of the tweets from earlier today. Like who is this all I see gold guy who's joining broS wise, he on the show, but I think that after watching me compete because essentially when you think about the champions in the right now a lot of our former wrestlers extremely well. You have see and then you look at take down to fence takedown offense. How important it is to have a solid ground game. And how herald it being a quality wrestler is in the UFC community. So then you step outside. The UFC into Lee Olympic level wrestling, and you see that as good as guys UFC are still another level to that. And that's the one that we are on myself. David Taylor cow day. Cal Snyder all of these guys. And so it's good, man. I appreciate this platform in the opportunity to do this. But you know, I'm doing it for the wrestlers. Is there a part of you also that feels like I mean, obviously, you wanna test yourself against them. There's a great back story there. But as you know, it always seems like wrestling is kind of in the shadows in combat sports sports in general, we know about the saga with the Olympics. It's in its out you feel like this is kind of stuff that wrestling needs to do to attract the casual fan, and that's part of the motivation to do this as well. Absolutely. Absolutely. Because I know everyone knows in appreciation respect spin. And what he's done they appreciate him because not only equality fighter. But because of his background in wrestling the nontraditional wrestling fan, here's Olympia two-time champion two-time hot show fy winner. Like, wow. This guy was amazing. He still has a shot. He's been out a game for a long time. But he's got a shot. And that's also that's exciting. And I think that is necessary for this sport to continue to thrive. I try to be job lasers often as possible. So we can step out of that niche group of fans and out of that misfit representation really step into the spotlight and people say, hey, listen wrestling is really cool as well. We have a lot of common in common Jordan tonight because first of all share the same birthday July eighth. My man, let's go cancers have respect a Buffalo Bills fan. I what you from buffalo. No. But I just love the bills get out of here. I have him on mobile. That might that's crazy. My my so my wife's unconfirmed Thomas what? And so. Yes, there Thomas's. No way like family, we call Monka therm. He's not even. Thurman Thomas number thirty four thirty four. What I've been to a ton of bills games. I've hung out with Bruce Smith and come on Darryl Talley. And all these guys yet. We we went to his retirement party game. He's family wait Bill fan through and through before you met your wife know by sociation. I was actually a Broncos fan before I met my wife, then yes, I got a chance to speak with a coach McDermott in the rest of the bills team training camp last year like like grain, I love the bills, bro. I'm a big dose fan next time you go. Now, we have each other's numbers. You know, don't be a stranger. All right. Yep. -solutely bre wanted out that I know that that Thurman went to DC's flight when he fought in buffalo the to Oklahoma state guys. Yeah. He's a big fan. They had they had a moment there. But I had no idea. That's incredible. Okay. So we share that in common, you're thirty. You're about to turn thirty one. But you're still for the for the uninformed. You're still actively competing in wrestling. Correct. This is your full tomato. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so anyone who thinks that I'm detracting from what Ben's doing equally? So I'm going away from stepping away from what I'm doing as an athlete as a competitor. Because we are preparing for I'm actually competing this weekend. I'm headed to Ueno's Aires Argentina tomorrow competed dependent championships on Sunday. And so a lot of stuff going on right now we got the world team trials in June world championships in Kazakhstan September. And then obviously the next Olympic Games in Tokyo Japan next summer two thousand twenty so I'm right in the thick of it as well. I know he has a lot of things coming up. But as do I so that's why feel like we're equally putting something on the line. So people can disapprove respect what we're both doing for for both of our respective sports. He's a wrestler. He's a fighter. And this is this is going to be fun. And so part of my ignorance 'cause I'm used to the fight game. Obviously, do you get paid to these events. Are are you paid by the event or you pay by the a lot a lot less a lot less than what you guys get paid. And see. But I that's I think that's why a lot of former wrestlers make that transition, right? Because does not very lucrative sport that were involved in if you're a wrestler, and you do it at this high of a level, you do it for the glory and the honor of considering yourself one of the toughest guys of the world. And so when I hear people say innovates sport in the world or him as the best in the world. That's how I feel about wrestling and more. So because you don't get as much recognition or fame. You don't have celebrities ringside, you don't get to compete in Vegas. You don't get to make hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars per fight dependent upon your status is so think about all those things that those guys do to compete and now right? Kind of negate a lot of luxuries that you guys get that's what you have in wrestling. And so. It's a sport that I've grown to love. And I really appreciate but yes, fun, man. I'm I'm in the thick of it. And I have an appreciation for the UFC to have been a big fan for a long time of west a lot of my former teammates and friends and peers go onto basic things at the at the enact got. So it's really cool. We'll get a second. But I'm just curious. You are going to try out for the twenty twenty team creek. Yes. That's the goal. That's the best for me. And and is that like do you have a an age where you're going to stop competing do? No. Or you haven't decided yet on? That's a good question. I don't know. I'd say wrestlers primes are probably around the time. Most guys don't Russell pass thirty to thirty to thirty. And then I look at the F C, right? I see guys really started getting to themselves find themselves athletically at this age thirty two to thirty four years old. So I don't know. I don't know, bro. I've considered a lot of options released something I have to sit down with after sit down with my family after two thousand twenty and say, hey, listen. How do I feel would I wanna live? Do I want to continue to compete my still hungry? I still love it. There are a lot of intangibles that are going to go into factor in whether I decide to continue wrestling NASA. We'll see what are the chances that you fall in the footsteps of many great American restaurants. And eventually move over to. I listen. I would love to I would love to. I just wanna fight one time. That's it. Oh, I won't want fight. Okay. Just want one fight. Because like for me, it's not about the status not about the glorious not about the money. Like, I just wanted to throw my hands and see what I made of. And I think that wrestlers and fighters had that same fighting spirit is a spirit about you that it's a such a beautiful art form in which you can implement strategy in order to subdue another individual. And I really feel like that's wrestling UFC were kinda we collaborate in that way. And I've always thought about it. I've considered it when I was young. I was like with some bone flight. I wanna be star. I'm gonna fight. And then as I got better at this sport. And I started to become an icon in what I was doing like manna. Can't wrestling wrestling world leads me. I'm great at this people love me ice fire generations of people. And so I thought about it. I consider I don't know if I'm really going to do it. But I've considered doing just wanna fight in getting getting out with my hands. Clean. I don't wanna get punched and beat up. Like if you lose a wrestling match, you get taken down. Right. You might get put to your bag or push of bounds. You as a fight. You got choked out sums broken, right? You got knocked out is rough is rough existence. I've never had to go to the hospital after competition in wrestling. So it's a different game in may will allow I've first of all I'm shocked that you never had to go to the hospital once in your entire incredible career that's impressive in its own. Right. But I'm not I'm getting a little Tinley here. Jordan Burroughs Emma may fight to me is a big deal. Just one just one one one by one fight deal. The guy out in ten seconds. And you're like this. What if I knock him out of I don't like this? Well, I tend to be a positive thing before done. You're saying right now, you will have at least one MMA fight. Oh, no. I can't make any promises. I'm saying I consider it depends on what the offer was likened who my opponent was I consider. But I don't know, man. I. If it's intriguing is definitely treating. I think every wrestler has thought about it for a period of time. I'm so comfortable with my dentist as wrestler that if I never fought it wouldn't bother me one bit. But I'm also such a competitor that I've considered it for a long period of time. Like man, what about just one? We'll get. I do good. I let my hands fly put someone out. So we'll see I talked to my wife about it. He's probably shaking her head listening right now. I I feel like within five minutes of sangha by Scott Coker is gonna call you and put you on that training camp program and to anyone would be smart enough. You now have you ever actually sparred have you ever gone punched in the face? Never. Okay. So I don't know what it feels like because sometimes guys don't like it. Right. Once it happens. But I mean, I've gotten I've had things done to me right within a wrestling manage though, like, I don't think is considerably different. Like, I honestly don't think is considerably different. I seen guys in the wrestling room. Break mentally. In guys that I didn't think were super tough going to be extremely amazing fighters. So like, I think my mental toughness in my athletes ISM in my physical prowess. I'd be successful. If I decided to fight no matter. What have you talked to any of the guys who have made the transit the DC's of the world events of the world. Have you talked. I have talked to DC quite a bit. Oh, man. See hold him out on me. He never told me about this yet. He actually invited me out to be on his show last year on the ultimate fighter in so yet. DC's awesome guy, man. He's an awesome guy. He he. He he's kinda that hand he's at facilitator between wrestling in MMA world. He's done a great job keeping his hand. Wrestling, always reaching out being like, a big, brother. Sean love to me. But yet he like when I talked to him about yell wits. Like, what's the difference? Like, what do you feel as it users it harder any says like it's considerably easier, and maybe because these seeds such an amazing athlete that him moving up to heavyweight. He just the way he moves the type of things that he's been through the structure of life that he's had his is just different. I that's one thing. That's great for wrestlers is because we've started from a young age most people don't do their individual disciplines from such young age. I started wrestling at five years old. I my first classes forty five pounds. I've been wrestling for almost twenty five years, right? I went to the structure of high school. I went to division one university with the best oscilloscopes in amazing coaching staff and went through the structure of being individual program for five years. So it's easy. For me to always make weight always be on time. Live life integrity train at my highest level. Give one hundred percent effort. Stay. Say clean with the things that I put into my body. I think that's just part of the spirit of what we've arrived from what we've been built from for wrestlers status while we're so successful. And so I'm wondering I remember you put out the tweet prior to the Habib Connor fight about saying like, oh, you'd help Conor prepare did anything ever happened. There. Was there ever any talks about you helping Connor prepare for that fight? No. I've never met Conor. Okay. Never met Conor Roe. But the cool thing about is like this matchup presented mazing opportunity for me. Because a lot of people consider been asking probably one of the best wrestlers in all of the UFC. And so if I go out there and put the hammer on Ben asking right people understand like there's levels to this wrestling game. So anyone who's looking to become a better wrestler in that middle to welterweight division? I'm the guy to come see. Right. So like if if you're anywhere from one hundred forty five to a hundred and eighty five pounds, and you wanna get better at wrestling. And you see the status in the level of which we are competing at then you wanna come and see the best like. That got. And so I think this presents a pretty cool opportunity for me, but they never reached out to to help prepare. No, no, I've never met on her that was complete fabrication. I don't even know where that came from like, they're like, yo Davies stranding counter. Like, oh, that's news. To me. I found out the same way you guys down by tweeted to me. I had no idea. I'm like, I'm training for the world championships myself. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to beat Russia on my own. I'm not trying to help him beat Russia. That is well has any enemy fighter ever reach out to to help them. I mean, you got your own that has had a couple of guys that reach out. Never come to fruition. It hasn't. It has just it just hasn't worked out for me because I've got my own career my own thing that I'm doing. But I probably the guy that I've wrestled with most in Emam as massad Becca. He actually lives in Nebraska. So when he's not training with fierce up in a believes trained in Florida, and he does stuffing Canada's well, but we've rolled around a couple of times. And so yet, he's pretty solid. Okay. So you're leaving to Sarah's this weekend. That's the penny games and one of the world championships. They are timber. We got. Okay. So so it's PanAm then it's asking anything between the aspirin match in the world championships. Are you spend the rest of that time preparing for the world championships Woolsey draws we got to meet the team, bro. Okay. There's there's just like there's no roster. You gotta make that you got to compete the make the team every single season. So there'll be a world team trials in the world championships in next year. They'll be Olympic trials and the Olympic Games. And so basically the trials are disa- tournament at every way class the winner that tournament goes on to represent the United States America at the games or the world championships. Wow. That's amazing. What when the that we and you're in the the Olympic training center right now. Correct. I'm in Colorado Springs, as we speak, and what are you gonna dorm or something? Yeah. Yeah. Really? Humble living, bro. You should've mentioned there. I'm out here grinded. That's how you stay tough. That's how you stay tough. I liked the grittiness that occurs when I'm here. And I would imagine you're relationship with USA wrestling, and the USOC's, I know Ronda Rousey spoken about how she has not the best feelings now that she's out of that system. It seems like the experience has been good for you. Yes. Good, man. It's good. They've always treated me. Well, and I've always earned that respect because of my performances in the way that you people, but they've always amazing job and Jimmy with outra suspecting giving me status in terms of helping to elevate my brand connect sponsors into care, my family, they've done it amazing job. I'm always happy to be a part of USOC you'll say wrestling. Well, I'm happy to talk to for the first time. This has been great Jordan. I like the fact that I read and critically from wrong. I like the fact that a pro wrestling is what got you into this kind of wrestling correctly. You are big macho back in the day huge wrestling fan huge wrestling fan. When I was a kid like, I'm talking we had all the action figures, we the ring we had faked belts. Like every time. We go to target when we were kids we go straight to the aisle that they had all the yell the represent. We see what's new ones. They had like how to get this one. And we play video games raw smackdown. Like, we make our own characters might fight each other in the crib jumping off the top of bunk beds, dropping elbows on people's heads. Like we were into we were into when I was a kid. It was it was awesome. That that's incredible. Would you consider that? Or you're you're you're not as into that right now. I'm not as because that's more like that's acting. Right. Like, I I'm a competitor. Like I'd like to compete. I don't want someone to determine the status of my match before I get out there to compete, and it's fun to watch. I actually took my son to a Thursday night smackdown that they hadn't Lincoln a few years ago of us a bit confused like what is this? But it's fun. And I'm a big fan of it. And I've always appreciated it. So is something I was enjoying his I always hold it near dear to my heart is towel. I guess started in the sport, Jordan. I wish you the best. Good luck this weekend. Good luck on may six. Good luck making the team world championship Olympic team. All that and more. This has been great. I really appreciate the time. Yeah. Absolutely one more thing before we go beat the streets is in amazing organization that is run through all of the boroughs of New York City that helps to get kids off the streets in interesting rooms in give them the opportunity to enhance their lives through sport of wrestling. So this is their biggest fundraiser and not only do we have the match between me and been asking. But a lot of great matches between the US team. And college superstars, and so it's going to be a ton of fun making tune in may six six PM eastern time is going to be an amazing event area. Thank you again for having me, it's been on it. Thank you so much, Jordan. We'll talk to soon all the best to you is there. Now, speaking of wrestling make. Sure that you guys check out ESPN's pro wrestling podcast cheap. Eat with the great, Peter Rosenberg. You could find it every week in the apple podcast app Spotify or anywhere else. You listen to your podcasts, and I will give out. Some more information here on beat the streets. NYC courtesy of that great organization. It is a youth development organization that serves three thousand five hundred male and female athletes across the five boroughs. We supply them with tutoring mentor ship, internships and elite wrestling sports training in hopes to better prepare them for life and realize their full potential over eighty percent of the kids come from low income broken homes with little opportunities to succeed, we help them. Get access to a better life through our programs, the grapple at the garden event raises money for organization, it is made six as we said it starts at six pm with the USA world team versus college division one Allstars as they told me here they are selling out. So people should go to the website right now to buy ticket packages and general tickets through the TicketMaster link on the site. You can get tickets over BT S N Y dot org. That's WWW BT S N Y dot org. So that's Jordan Burroughs was born on the same days me eighth. But in one ninety eight I didn't know Jordan Burroughs is married to Thurman Thomas niece. That's the most credible thing. I've ever heard. And how about that one? Emma may fight for jerk. Jordan Burroughs before it's all said and done if I was Bela Tor who you know, famously paid. Arron PICO, right? They paid iron PICO to be part of their little training camp. If you will they pay them for two years. I would do that. Twenty twenty Olympic Games are not this summer twenty s not this summer next summer. I would do that one hundred percent. Put them on a little salary. Give him a my monthly stipend, and maybe twenty twenty one Jordan Burroughs make his debut for you guys say, you know, what will give you one fight. Just get them in the system. Get his feet wit get them through training camp. And then see what happens. That'd be huge. Okay. Thank you very much a Jordan Burroughs. Now, there is a mea culpa from me. So I screwed up. I think in Australia. They change the clocks in Australia. What is going on? For sunday. April was at the first Sunday April was that two Sundays ago. God when I looked up the time. So this is the thing as of told you guys before I always feel very guilty. When I asked the Australian fighters or New Zealand fighters to come on when they're home. Of course is he was in Atlanta when we spoke to him, but when they're actually home because of the drastic time difference between here and. And Australia here in New Zealand, and they're always very kind. They're always very gracious with their time. Whether it's rubber Whitaker. Mark hunt outspoken off ski is right a son. Yeah. All these people. Always so gracious with their time. The math gets a little confusing for me, and on this particular case, I screwed up the math. And because we changed our clocks. They changed their clocks. I screwed up. The math and I'm an hour off. So it's currently six oh two or three now. Six three clutches changed. Right. As those tiny six three in Sydney. And I told. Robert whitaker. Seventy AM one hour off. And that means there's a very good chance that sleepy right now. And that means that I feel horrible and that this is going to bother me for the next week. And so what I've asked is if we can reach out, but I feel horrible though, we're reaching out. But but he said his team tells me that he wakes up early because he has kids could we could we vamp for for ten minutes. This is gonna kill me inside a piece of me will die if we don't get this. But I also understand because it's technically my mistake. If we can all just put our positive thoughts into some way, somehow rubber wood Kerr has to wake up get a glass of water. Let the dog out. I don't know brush his teeth get trysts get ready, even even by the way. Even if it's not a Skype or face. I just a phone call just just a five minute condo just thought on Mr. outta Sonya. And the magnitude of that fight, I feel horrible. I mean, I the whole thing happened earlier with Khalil now this God. No, you got him. Oh my God. Corporate just told me on him. I feel so bad. I wanna crawl to a ball right now. I don't know if you guys know this about me, but I'm very sensitive. I I wear my emotions on my sleeve, and I get very sensitive. But I can't believe it. I can't believe we actually got him. This is huge. This is one of the great moments in history of the show. Okay. I'm gonna talk freer required Lee because I don't want to wake them up. But in a matter moment, I think according to corporate Jake, can you see the sweat pouring out of my nose. It's all shiny. That's how nervous I am. I thought you said it was freezing in there. Well, right now, I'm sweating because I'm very nervous. I feel so bad. I will be able to overlook rubber would occur in the face because I screwed up. This is on me when it's on someone else. I will call them out and tell them base crude up this one hundred percent screw up. I have the proof. But I hope that we'll be joined by him. In a matter of moments him being rubber occur, the reigning defending UFC, midway champions, this setting up. One of the biggest fights in the history of the sport in a stadium. Oh my God. We're going to do them on the phone and five minutes. Did you say that to the world or just to meet corporate, Jake K corporate, Jake just told me breaking news? Breaking colon will do on the phone in five minutes. That's what he said was he upset tummy was upset. Oh my God. Corporate said, he's unsure I never know if he's talking to me on the air off the air. So I have to repeat is this on the air. We will get him at five minutes. Oh there. He is. I could tell a difference. But he wouldn't tell me if he's annoyed. Anyway, while we're waiting couple of the things I wanted to get to before we'll say Hello to the champion here. I hope will say Hello to the champion. Couple of other performances Nikita Krilov great performance on Saturday avenging that loss to p. And it was a fight that happened five years ago. He lost von flue choke. Now, he comes back and wins via RNC that was a precedent for Makita Krilov. How about his to punt Toyota shunned today pun toys, ya with the big win over Wilson Hayes, again, I'd like to think proving that. The flyweight should stick around. But alas, I digress. Brannon Davis had the big win Dwight grant with a with a squeaker if you will be Siegel KBC sequel with the squeaker against Allen show. Bam. I think Alan had had a case for that. Maybe. Should've gone his way close one. But he was very fired up typically not fired up. How about the you have C giving to fight of the night awards instead of performance bonuses? I thought in the end it was the right call the Komeda event between guests send you got one fifty thousand each and then the main event between this deport IMAX hallway, and I would like to see Holloway go down to forty five. Now again, it didn't work out. I commend him for moving up. They're did seem to be. He's very young. He's still twenty-seven, but they're did seem to be a size advantage or disadvantage there for him advantage for dust Emporia. And especially if Alex can off ski wins on may eleventh algebra can off ski beats shows a Aldo on may eleventh. How'd you deny him shot at max hallway? I mean, I just don't I just don't see how anyone else I know Frankie Eggers out there, Frankie Edgar has fought in a year isn't fought since April last year, meanwhile will can off skew's beating Mendez he would have been shows. Although I just I have a hard time. Have a hard time. Not giving him the nod their civil can off ski versus Holloway would be a really fun fight. But I do think hallway should go down. You may have seen. We spoke about it a little bit with with Dominick Cruz. But TJ dillashaw has come out. He has talked about his his mistake. You saw two did announce that he tested positive for EPO, which is essentially blood-doping if you don't usually listen to my other podcasts, which comes out on Wednesday. It's called the MA reporters. We actually had my partner chill Sunan who we co host on the bad guy together. Oh, good. Okay. Anyway. So. Anyhow got a whole lot of sorts there. Because of the whole time different thing. I'm just gonna put my anyway, focus, Jake, focus corporate, Jake, wait someone to me here. No, no. It's fine. It's fine. Don't worry about it back there. We're all good. We're all good. So. EPO blood-doping, Lance Armstrong famously was caught for chill was famously caught for it, glazed Tibo has been caught for it. And. He's going to be out for two years now. And I think that obviously the fact that he's not owning up to it is totally fine. The fact that he's he's not making excuses. What I mean, he's not he's not coming up with an alibi. He's coming up with a different stories like he's literally just sitting there and taking it. He had shoulder surgery. He's probably gonna have another one. Like, I said reporters I thought his team wasn't really doing any favors like to say like we had no idea peo-. I'm no expert when it comes to these days. But from all the conversations that have had is a very complex PD. And it's not one that you could just go and pop a pill. It's injectable it's it's a little more involved. So the idea that you know, he just kind of went into business on his own is a little surprising to me. But. I don't know if I respect the fact that they're backing him. But it seems like a bit of a stretch that you know, they wouldn't come out and. Explain a little more while he's being so honest like like TJ has offered no excuses whatsoever. He is owning up to this and you can feel differently about him. You can feel as though his legacy has been tainted you feel as though his accomplishments aren't as impressive as you once thought all those things more you can you have every right to feel that way. Unfortunately. These are the kinds of things that are hard to shake. But in our sport. If there's one thing that I've learned fans are forgiving for whatever reason in baseball, they aren't as forgiving. That's something that a lot of baseball players like Roger Clemens Barry Bonds, like Mark McGwire. Sammy Sosa a lot of them haven't been welcome back with open arms haven't been inducted into the fame when their their stats would certainly. What certainly warranted? I founded MA fans for whatever reason are lot more forgiving. And I think the first step to be forgiven is to handle it the way in which TJ has handled it, and I think it by the way, I think it helps that he is coming off a loss had he gone in there and smoke pseudo and want to titles. I do feel like weird way. The backlash would have been worse. And I also feel as though the fact that he is a champion unlike shale unlike Leisa Tibo, I think hurts him a little bit because it's very public display that you're now no longer champion or being you know, you're having the title taken away. I know he said that he voluntarily gave up the belt, but let's be honest. He would have had the title taken away. Anyway. So anyhow, I understand the reaction. Okay. Now with my tail between my legs. We'll go to our next guest. And I will say I am profusely. Sorry. Robert are you there? He might Robert. I am so sorry. This is one hundred percent on me. I got screwed up with the math. It's so confusing. I'm so dumb. I've always been bad at math. I am. So sorry for calling you saw early. I really really apologize. What about my up anyway, God, my heart? My heart is bleeding right now, Robert, but you are an absolute classic. So thank you so much for doing this. I won't waste a lot of your time. First things first, I wanna just know. How are you feeling? We heard about you getting back into the gym feeling better. You feel like you are one hundred percent. No, I'm doing great only. Great. So I'm a hundred healthy and. Yeah. Back at the gym. I'm Becca food training. And yeah, I'm I'm really looking forward to these next one. No limitations whatsoever. You feel like you can go hundred percent out there. None at all. And I guess that was a blessing of funding out the the illness that I had went on. Did you know before we could have got worse, and I had like lost time long penalties. You know? Okay. The other big question. Of course, everyone wondering did you watch the Israel to sign you're coming gas on fight on Saturday or Sunday your time? Now. Yes, what was great? It was an incredible fight as of right now. I think it's the fight of the what it's what about these interim midway title fights. But we the last one that we had with you and your Romero was phenomenal. This one was phenomenal in its own. Right. Did you think is he won the fight? You know? Yeah. Oh, you do. I think he didn't enough to win. But in saying that if if they would've awarded to kill them that not all wouldn't have disputed that all 'cause it was it was a close part. You know, I think I think he's just enough at the end in grandfather, you know, the loss frown too strong impression in the judges mind. Impressed with his performance. Because I know last time we spoke you said, you know, you weren't all that impressed with his win over Anderson Silva this time around where you more press with his performance. You know, it was definitely a more impressive than when he ended tour. I think this is both team to to draw a little bit more out of the tank a little bit more a little bit more Rupe? Hell up more hot. You can see he's ups and downs. He's Charles and oaks because he had to get over the there's the hair to get through to to make sure you lost in the far. Oh, I thought it was an amazing from from bus cars was a part of you pulling for Izzy because of the stakes because of how big your fight against him would be because of the talk of the stadium and fifty five thousand plus like, did you feel okay? This is better for me. If he wins the fight. No, really, be honest. Would it would have been happy fun in Kelvin? He's hot as well. Yeah. He's. Over at the one on. Is he was on our show earlier, and you've probably seen some of the things that he said about you. But there does seem to be some friction there between you two seems like his big issue is that when you when you see each other you to shake his hand your pleasant as you typically are. But then in interviews, you're a little more critical of him. And he doesn't seem to like that. What is your response to some of the things that he has said about you in the post by press conference in the build up to this last fight? I'm gonna say like why don't understand why this going to ROY what I've said the only critical of innocent of that was that all think he's as good as he sees. So you think that how you want? But if I sound like I'm talking on your back all the time and get you know. But you feel sorry sorry to get so upset he's things relaxed. I thought he like you had a great weight on the weekend. And it seems like every time someone awesome a question or they could spot lauded him for two seconds. He kinda helped himself mentioned my name and. It's a little concerning. Why's it concerning? On the only thing these head. And like, surely, he could be using his lots of other purposes, you know, like if for instance, like he calling me like a fake news zone like that much. Well, like pretty heavy, you know when. He could be using his life to food all the purposes like like myself when other let's put onto me, I get to the plug my educational programs. I'm bringing -education programs to New Zealand next a lot of people didn't know this. But like this. This is one of the things that I'm working on right now with my team. And I guess the only thing that Israel can can can talk about as me, you know, I'm fighting to be on do feel like any of the things that he has said about you have crossed the line have been too personal. No, no, really. He's. Anything that causes the long? Don't mind. It all depends. How you take it? You know, some of the. Like some things I think are ridiculous going when when he says that I'm gonna psych Mosey psychos titans younger like that's just ridiculous. I don't think anyone really pays anyone to because if on the site Zealand, then what is eight. It's it's just one of those things. And and and that's every time. I see, you know, I'm very focused on what work. I have no basically at all. If he wants me to be critical every time, I say you in the city down, and we're can have coffee. We can go over every fault that I've seen these game. I'll do that she wants to otherwise, I'll just say, hey, how you doing and keep my mouth shut and like. Any differences. We have for whatever reason he's made them pushing one. Oh won't. So that nail on sooner or later, but you have noticed that it does seem key perks up when he talks about you ride. Like, it does seem like he gets. He gets riled up. When when the topic of you and your championship, and you being champion gets gets brought up have you noticed that? Yeah. It's you know, personally, I think I think because he can't stand. The fact that like people like me molded him And they've really hurt. He taught stand. The fact that people are talking about me this. I'm sentencing, he just Billy wants all the spotlight. He wants all the attention and they have like kid, but this onto funny that that it gets him some much like just relax me. Great fine. You selfish Bill we can for being from night. But he has said he has the new title of the old title. He's a real champion. You're not does that talk bother you. Shoot it. I don't know how. Yeah. No. Because like. He honestly, say whatever he wants because we're gonna meet and a few months time. And and like any talk is done anything. He says oh, new this fad. None of it's gonna matter. A lotta you across from the Oakland, and I'm gonna get health. And you know, if you basically he doing on him, you'll have he would've earned his place. But you know, everything my and make sure that doesn't ask them. So you would it be fair to say you're a little confused by all of this by by by these these comments. Confused because all sit down intellectually often see what he's doing a lot of stuff. He's but he's just. Alexa. He's actually for soaking everything. He's done. He's a good things. And I'm gonna get him Sonoda. You said that he's not as good as he thinks. He is after Saturday. Should he think that he is that good like does that change your stance on him? Not at all notable. No. I think he's a very funny even said this Coleman said he's a very good Florida. I don't know why he got so closely, and so divine. You know to be on his if he wants to fight you can see the holes that with every before they just go to expose big. It like he do. There are a lot of holes though, a lotta like there are a lot of things I guess on exploited. And there are a lot of things that get from could have exploited. But couldn't because he's might up because if he struck install because he's he's he's he's hot he's rich. And and then I guess someone getting in guessing that left's I'll get in all my rot like much foster. I guess them or that struck on comfortable that I stay on the outside understand that made ground should be very should be very worried. You know, I'm very hot side. What are the bigger holes that you noticed on Saturday? He's getting hit. And he's very very hit -able. Let's it he'd hug cheating people can get in knocking do the damage can do and you taking if thinking whether the stone and he tight mush, oh father around and counter and do everything he did was guests then congratulations to him. He'll win. Excellent. But I don't think he's going to. I'm different fodder -together them. I'll bring much more hate. I hate Hotta. A hit foster gonna come there with a new level of intensity. He's not used to take down defense surprise you at all. Did get them shoot. Very well. No, no, no. This is no disrespected gets them at all. I think they guess whole intention wasn't really to Detroit to attack for the tech down the Orion trying to this is my humble opinion. Honestly, if he did in, you know. Tooker than you know, that's on me and not him. But I'm guessing out there with a great approach the striking game, which I think he did a wonderful job doing. And then he's he's take down the tax. And he like the takedown was an office or something. He he tried throwing in the in moments when maybe he shouldn't have but other than the whole goal forget the most to get into and then take down, and you know, and cover that grappling because he was having such success on these hands. He went out there. More in my mind, you there with a game plan that was very heavily focused on shorting. And he lamented that very well. You know, even with the hot and reach difference. He got in money landed shots. He he hooked, you know, and he leaves he hit cake. Well, it was super come on. I had heard that they were shooting for end of July early August to have you to fight in a big stadium in Australia. Are you hearing the same? Heaven hood too much just yet. But my three times Chom get an show. You know, surely time. Time does that time framework for you. Go always pencilling August. And so the the the Tom on the dates worked perfectly, obviously, go to see how easy he was up, you know, wish to recovery those a hot fun. And he's obviously ruins. But the, you know, that's the died on feeding reason because he told us the time frame doesn't work for him. He wants a little more time off. How'd you feel about that? If it would be later. I guess that's something human watch USA and everyone's to discuss. Yeah. Never really been the one who. The thing is never really been one that that has stuck by a hard time on a one on confide like one of those guys that you know, when when the toys are on and they grew or go at the end rice UC one ninety three was a huge deal in Melbourne with the fifty five thousand tickets sold Jeff horn versus Manny Pacquiao in Brisbane was a huge field. Do you feel like this could be bigger than all of that you feel like we can sell at a stadium here and get fifty sixty thousand people in there. Maybe even more. I get more. This'll be the biggest this'll be the biggest combat sports event in these trying Zeo market. My it's how big can you think? How many tickets think we could sell here? How big could it get? But we we definitely kept the the definitely have fifty thousand. And that's that's that's a big number that the big study. That's a very very big stadium. So we can all I have the utmost confidence that we can. We can talk that number. Is there a specific city in Australia that you want Brisbane Sydney. Melbourne is specific one. Definitely Sydney own in Sydney. I wanted him that God. I haven't fought since my middleweight that you, and I you know, really really wanna do that. It's one of the things. Oh, I wanna do on defend my in Sydney home ground backyard. Cering the the incidents that happened. The last two times you were scheduled to fight in Australia. Any concerns about going back? Not at all. Like, I said talk show. So so yeah, all have very high hopes and all on very charted full for the for the for the come back here sale. And yeah, I'll be ready leave it at that. Robert. Thank you so much. I can't thank you enough. And I'm so sorry. I hope I didn't bother your family wake you guys up. I hope it impairs off your manager. But thank you so much. I really appreciate it. You're an absolute gentleman. Classic. Thank you for doing. This. Yoyo fought. Right. Thank you so much. I haven't made your Goodman. Appreciate it. There is Robert Whitaker. He can go back to bed, and I wanna thank the team in the back there for for for calling and for it's all my fault. Everyone blame me. Everyone hate me. It's my fault. I suck at math. That's why I do this for a living. I'm the worst. So corporate Jake voice. God everyone. I'm sorry. Anyhow, I'm outta time. You play music you want. If you want me to walk out right now, you can walk out. I just feel horrible. I feel horrible waking him up, by the way. Can I just say that's the best robber would occur interview. I've ever done. That was incredible. He is fired up far as fired up as Robert Whitaker is going to be. But did you guys notice that did you sense that that was the best Robert Whitaker that I've ever heard? This is going to be so much fun. I cannot wait Israel Sonya rubber Whitaker Sydney Brisbane mob, anywhere Auckland. I don't care where someone has to be in that vicinity. Do not bring it to the United States do not bringing some random country. It has to be in either Australia New Zealand, probably because that's where he lives, and you know, that's that's where he has spent the majority of his recent years, but while what that would be alright fun show in the books, very fun show in the books. I wanna thank all our guests. I want to gradulate Israel sign. Yeah. I want to congratulate just Emporia. Thanks. You who tuned in? Thank you for joining us. Thank you Dominick Cruz all the best of him. Thank you Valentina Shevchenko. Thank you, Brandon. Davis. Thank you Khalil Roundtree. Thank you. And welcome back to Daniel Strauss. Thank you, Mike Brown. Thank you very much, Jordan Burroughs. And again, thank you so much to rubber Whitaker. All right. If you missed anything check it out you to Twitter the app, all those places and more. Itunes as well back next week save time and place until then I say.

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GSMC MMA Podcast Episode 156: UFC 257 Review

GSMC MMA Podcast

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GSMC MMA Podcast Episode 156: UFC 257 Review

"Need your daily fix on mixed martial arts recap. Bela tor one. Fifty five c one ninety who out of a controversial decision. Who's not i couldn't figure out. Why don't you fret because golden state media concepts daily dose of anime podcast. Everything from the ufc fighting jimmy extreme cage fighting victim fighting champ much. Join us as we talk about. Some of the biggest names in mix martial arts. We've got you covered here on. Golden state media. Concepts emanate podcast. Thank you for tuning into the gs mc mma podcast brought to you by the mc podcast. I'm your host and helpful. Your day is growing wherever you are wherever you are. Hopefully things are going. Well as persevering gets. What's going to feel like a tough another tough year so while the world is you know we're getting better the roles the better in terms of stability and stuff but i m happy though that we got to watch. Ufc two seven. Oh wait a minute. It's not all of us got to watch. Ufc to be seven. So before i get into the nitty gritty of what happened on the show here. I got discuss the elephant in the room here so espn plus if you were the thousands of people out there that thought of themselves all right. Then it's saturday. I'm excited for this. I opened up my entire day to go. Watch this event. Here all conor mcgregor be awesome. There's a lot of hype going into the show. I think that this fight was trending number. Four in the world. And i'll get to the training part here because that ended kind. Bite that kind of bit them in the back later on as says dude doesn't pori eight conor mcgregor this. What is trending. Even in the dana white's looking for a fighter series. He went over to could be one time any told them. That is important. Conor mcgregor fight. This fights is outpacing your fight the could be fights big time on twitter and then he says denying the post ride presser one said he believes that conor mcgregor to be too can be more of a bigger it could be surpassed. Floyd risk karma beggar in terms of social media interaction. Able talking about it and as a prison who is also really into. nba basketball. What people were watching the basketball games. Okay twitter i got some basketball youtubers and basketball influence personalities. Talking about the fights the mcgregor fights. And i'm thinking all right this awesome. Everybody's talking with people are gonna watch a show. It's going to be awesome. People wanna see. Conor gator the return of connor. Big good comeback and potentially go fight for title yet again but instead this would happen not to come rigor and up getting knocked out by pori but many people deeming the chance to even to the fights because espn plus the ap apparently shut down. There are technical errors going on and on twitter. A lot of people speculating. What's going on here. Like i paid money for this. Why isn't yesterday and plus working and it turns out that. Espn plus not working. Only was an issue in the west coast. For some reason. It's unsure why specifically only the west coast people were struggling is opening the espn app on twitter. The word hashtag refunded was the number. Two training thing happened twitter number. Two number two trending number four. Was jake paul all right then. That's how bad it was as it pertains to the social media interaction that came about for this show. Yes mcgregor that show was also that it was trending also the event but when you go click on the ufc main twitter page immediately. You'll see a flood of everybody's saying hashtag refund hashtag refund hashtag seguin has white hashtag hackers and i'm thinking about this moore. Friends were thinking about this. We thought ourselves after the show is over. That know what. Dan i think he should release. Stop picking apart with the internet's because all the dinner. I believe that the all man. I got these internet hackers these people legally streaming will guess. What because of the app being down in the west coast people on the west coast. You know what did a lot of them went onto some streaming websites by extreme websites are very easy access. Heck i watch a lot of basketball games streaming websites because nba leak pass. They need to really fix that issue. Where it gets difficult to watch some games at times and also there's no commentary and as always frasier a lot of people do watch football games on streaming websites and i was about to pay for espn Pay for the pay per view. Because i of the espn plus every single. Yes he show. I watch is on. Espn plus i enjoy it. I watch it because the problem is up sites is it's a complete downgrade in terms of picture quality. And so i enjoy watching. My shows full high-definition clear looks rating stuff. I was watching the pri. Pri lymphocytes being fights at three preempt and i watch the prelims because i want to see every fight and our because you're even like khalil roundtree was saying i'm excited for you opinion. Research mcmahon does a fight. I was really excited for so. I was watching all the fights and rights before the pay per view started. It's like that's the end of the prelims. Let's go to the cpi event ufc two thirty seven c there and then i exited out of the page. Got the afc paper. You pay view page was about to pay for it and then rent to pay for it. The crashes the app crashes. I'm refreshing over and over and over again what's going on what's going on and on twitter and apparently thousands of people we're going to this issue and apparently from espn from espn and dizzy. The nfl putting a tweet out there saying don't worry there will be there. There's going to be some refund happening. Refunds the good part though is that espn plus dot back. It came back for the final. Two fights the comb and the main event and a part of me was like okay. Awesome riga to see the two big fights. That thing is though both fights ended one the commitment ended in the first round and then the second ended in the in the in the second round so both fights ended early knockouts. And can you imagine somebody paying seventy bucks to go see in accumulated time Accumulated time of fifteen minutes. You paid ceremony dollars to see fifteen minutes of fighting and you can see. The hoopla goes to the entrances. Entrances like the people really see money to see commodores to walk down an aisle. The pro packages do these as a person who watch these shows on. Espn plus and i'm always on youtube looking for emma mesa. They re showed the conor mcgregor. Disappointing promo package over and over again you. There was a single our then went on twitch stress showing the pro package. I saw the beginning of the way. I thought after the way ends is even the middle. The ins there shouldn't packages now packages were appearing on youtube when scrolling through watching videos throat the pro package and then there's the afc countdown thing. Which i already watched. Because i enjoy the stuff. So i'm getting all information all men regardless it's great and it's and it's you see fifteen minutes in its italty of the first round and second round now. Luckily i didn't pay seventy bucks. I didn't i didn't pay seventy bucks for it though. Because i was about to pay for it but because we went down and using the majority of americans don't have cable television or just in general since you don't even watch sports at all on tv we don't we watch it through other streaming sites or through apps people have got now flex where we got hulu like. I got all this. I'm paying for all this stuff here on top of espn plus gay on top of that. So really like no need to have like normal television and the bars. I'm los angeles. The bars are closed buffalo wild wings. They're all takeouts written. I gotta find specific areas specific zones that has the events now. I know there's a buffalo wings that has all the that that shows the events coming up all the time. I all in anaheim but usually only in los angeles and i didn't know that. Espn plus thing was down was gonna be down so after pretty much travel hour and a half during traffic our to go to buffalo wild wings. And i'm gonna be late for the events we it. it's it's mind blowing. It's my boy. What happened is like nora. So many things going against it for the android show because of the because of this whole like all man posters down and this will happen to be down right before the event started. What's going on. Also even if you're not a person who is using espn plus to go watch the pay per view events. You could be somebody watching like croquet or tennis or whatever whatever on the espn plus there's a bunch of things to watch on espn. Plus you can be watching the basketball documentary. You can watch thirty for thirty series. You could be watching anything in the right before this. Pfc people you've been on which you don't care about. The app goes down for some strange reason. What's going on there. What's going on. And i love you. But i love the dna white immediately. After the event happens go supports presser games like claiming this as a victory. He hadn't he just hand waves like the sidesteps. The whole yeah man. I don't know what's happening. But i will tell you this we won. We stopped that one guy who is planning to illegally stream our show. And i'm the mean everyone else. Youtube comments me. All my friends were watching the presser. We're like good job on you. You stopped though one one guy one person out there whose illegally streaming this stuff do you want me streaming sites out there are other dude. Thousands there are thousands out there and one thing. It's not with young people actually. If we don't get a woman will somehow find a way to go get it. There are multiple streaming sites out there. Also if you've never watched basketball on a streaming sites or watched 'cause i watch like basketball treatment sites. And when i was watching up the only reason why i watch 'em assuming because espn plus was unavailable. My bar closed before wong's close. There was no talk. There was no other alternative way other than maybe like going door to door and asking people. Hey do you guys have normal television. Like i dunno like eighteen to use some watch. I dunno denies all do pay per views here because the majority of people majority of young people do not order peer reviews in the traditional way. It's an outdated thing. It's an outdated thing for young people all right then. Even though even the whole logan paul thing people pay even that fight had a whole lot of is in it because it was mostly focused and dedicated towards appealing to the young art. That young demographics that young audience is people. view buys. were aiming on that special. It was an all that special anything that big relative to any other box of going out there at any box or any amendment may vents because young people are generally. Don't go and like order genucel paper views we gotta go through streaming sites or we gotta go through an app i e espn plus which was unavailable. So what's going on all right then. i understand. Why many people. This was not a win. This is not w all right then. This reminded me of the whole dana white several years ago. Where he was saying. Look for shan. Look here people in the internet's you don't scare me. I'll do what i wanna do and several years later. Espn plus goes down. Everybody's making a fuss about it errands. Joking about the fact that the hackers one or that the people on the internet or they ended up winning dan. What he's taking the w he's taking Defeated this one guy. Shoe are up. Okay whatever yes yes. Pf plus it was. It was difficult to watches events. Our sort of laid on it. I was able to so So i was call my friends like hey. How are you guys watching the show. And maybe told me that there's a site out. There is no click on it. And then i ended following the sites and it led me to watching the show because there are people out there who had espn plus on the east coast who are sure that illegally streaming on websites so i went over there by the way me watching. The show is legal. The person who's uploading it for other people to watch that's illegal aspect of things and so they illegally uploaded onto the sites. I can barely watch it though. And i'm gonna do legal watching watching it. Because guess what. It's readily available for me on a website. That i found i can only be tacked on for that also. Everyone every can watch it in is unavailable. I will love to pay for it to bad. The app crashed whatever. And we're in coverted so a lot of buildings host events events. You've been days happening. Those are unavailable okay. I'm generally just happy. That i was able to make it able to go and watch a show and so tallahassee. It was a really fun. Sally people who were able yes. I ended up working for the final two fights. People missed a really good fight between murder resides in a mandatory bus. I didn't know it was a really good performance by marina Read weren't people. Were able to see you call versus sky which was honestly a very fun. Ballots andrew sanchez versus muslim rav. I wouldn't call them society file during the world but it ended via cayote kale and these fighters were given the opportunity to go steelers show and many people were able to see them sadly so yikes so you listen to the gs mc podcast coming after shirt breaker as diving into ufc. Two fifty seven c soon out the show built around the women of mma from the ufc to the extreme cage fighting. We got the fights cover. It's the golden state media. Concept's women's mma podcast the latest news of upcoming twice discussions of previous mattis's. Join us as we talked to in about the biggest names in women's mixed martial arts past present and future when it's the women's fight game you know were to listen to the golden state mutual concepts women's. Mma podcast this is your ultimate stop for everything. Sports the golden state media concepts or podcast. Should i say more from the nfl. Melby the nba to mma. Install in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen and we are back. I am discussing me. Love c two fifty seven. If you're able to watch it then good on your. If you able to watch it you should go out there and get your refunds if you paid for. It's because you paid for a show you end up getting it makes us for all you frustrated right. The words refund was trending number two in the world. The during this entire show. It's very upsetting because there are a lot of things happened initial year. Marie guys matter reeboks in a real show student performance Mcmurdo and independent andrew sanchez in the third round of. Ko you call the word very big win for your caller would because look her opportunity to fight against. Altius schenken to jennifer maya. She desperately needed this and this guy although she didn't end up about the fact that she she got on. The main card is really good enough for her honesty for guy. Who's all stranded. Have a bounce back on her career. Michael chandler defeated dan hooker in. What was an absolute shocker. I think no one predicted michael chandler winning this now. I'll say i'll say people didn't predict the winning the way he did. People the grappler wrestler michael chandler. We saw knockout artist michael chandler. And that's importantly ended up. Knocked me out conor mcgregor in the second round. Another shocker over there and omega so poor commoner they're talking about despite like lord wrong and what went wrong here and people are gonna say immediately like conor mcgregor. He's washed up or he doesn't have in them. And the truth is that's not the case here doesn't portray was just a better boxer real a couple of conrad could have adjusted in wins barrier. Because conor mcgregor was able to land using was a better striker for the majority of this fights he was leading the clear shots and also his nfl In the first round thousand their brief instances which was able to go inland some guitar zone but out. Argue that conor mcgregor throughout the majority of this fights was winning up until that final minutes. So the fight begins. I write a lot of hoopla like something going on here. He gets taken million conor mcgregor. And i'm surprised. People are bag on conor mcgregor here and praising disappointing for the takes down. Yes where you got. The down but conor mcgregor was able to get right back up within the span of a minute half so gregor did make an emphasis into into trying to get up in trying to counter and beat the defense fighter beyond a patient. Mcgregor was leading these clean shots that if it was anybody else but a top elite fire like this party it would be easier knocking out easily. Like mcgregor with the way how he fought. He fought a good fight About this story has such an iron chin and he was mentally prepped. For this fight ear. He'd better footwork. And although parade did get caught many times in this bad here it was able to go persevered through and he himself was able to go find the angles against connor mcgregor. Now not taking anything important here. But here's some sort of carbon crucial on so conor mcgregor if he watches earlier fights the camera greater re no from back in two twenty fifteen two thousand sixteen the one that was on the rise dominant fighter knocking people left in rights twenty season and he fights so differently if i for one connor mcgregor if you watch all fights. He typically moved on horizontal plane. And i always say this all time that the best boxers should be able to go move at a horizontal vertical. All the time because by just being primarily vertical. You'll you won't be able to find the angling and you'll is using moving. Vertical means that your opportunity to go find more animals to go in like two sidestepping. Gopher in gopher shots is reduced. i've feeling that fighters who up who mostly move at a horizontal plane sidestepping a lot more better than confusing their opponents and will be better at finding out shots. If you're moving at a vertical plan here your moves become very predictable. Like moving forward and four and backward. It doesn't really give you much in terms of iot and it doesn't really give you much. In terms of really making dynamic striker moving horizontally sidestepping rid of lots. The does when you look at fires like john jones or mcgregor early on or dominant cruz. Generally you wanna check. All these fighters are good at sidestepping in finding horizontally the congregation. We saw here. Not only do we see like less emphasis in like less. Showcase capital is still which he does have the dude. He was moving at a vertical plane. His legs were really spread. House really spread out. He will shuffling his feet at all. He was slowly inching his way towards the pocket of portray. And because of that this emporia was able to go and spot the openings on rigor yes. He was able to go take some shots but his did them him. Being a high you fighter. He kept hitting catholics over and over again. On gregor and joe been talked about this as to one of the reasons. Why boxers why they wouldn't win in straight fight against may fighters is because a boxer. They never checked kicks. They never checked kicks. They're primarily for the most part covering the body was going kick kick kick kick and conor mcgregor. A person who who's been training. He's been training for boxing. He's been fighting guys. Like nee as finding us guys like don sironi he's thinking about finding manny pacquiao and all those fighters have in common almost fighters. Throw very little electric's yes. He does at times at times but for the most part. They fight that traditional boxing stance. Now that's important. He also he's also capable of fighting the traditional stance. He didn't mix in the kickboxing aspect of things throughout leg. Kicks let kick lekic onto the calf of better. Here's the conor. Mcgregor was not stand switching. I always view if you're getting kicked over and over again on the leg you stance which so the legacy. That's ford is the one that plus banged up and with regret in talked about this in the pulsar in the interview. He said that because Was banged up. His ability was limited. His mobility was limited. He really couldn't put that much force in any punches. Because you've got to catholic. Bend your leg and lean forward in order to go full on your punches. He was able to do so. We didn't get the former members of congress punches here because his life were banged up. He was already moving at a horizontal plane and him getting his leg kicked over and over and over again made him way more predictable and made us importers like be able to find the shots and he's in pori knowing that regretted. It isn't going full force in his punches. Because of how banks legs are poor you can go and take the risks. He can go to these fifty fifty exchanges and he'll know he'll understand that i can go into her some pain from regret here because i know i can go into the better shots. I can hit harder to him at the present moment. And that's what happened here this Let kicks convert over and over again. Able to find the angling his congregated with clean right hand. Stunts mcgregor Falls down like a sack of potatoes. Doesn't puri ended winning the fight via k. l. slash tko and the second round. Two minutes and thirty two seconds in i will say this combinator after the fights professional proper professional of guy he was the conor mcgregor. Even terms of attitude is so much more different from twenty two as to where he is now. A huge respect between two fighters proper professionals. There was like wilton of bad blood going through this. Both fighters are happy. Both fighters after fights was congratulating each other usually props hugging giving us bombs. This really was a happy ending even for mcgregor kind of happy ending for him. And the reason why. I'm saying happy ending because we're seeing the tail end of mcgregor story here and with the end we're not seeing like aw convert got knocked out for him. The way i-i-it is connor mcgregor. He gets knocked out and then you can tell by the look of his face. He's like yeah man. This is a disaster. I just gotta accept. It's very similar. Kobe bryant's face when in his final year in the nba. Because if you watch basketball in your with the lakers brine koi. Brian played awful in his last year is is is two years. He played absolutely off when the last two years. His last year was in. Terms of efficiency was the worst year ever in kobe. Bryant's history in terms of efficiency wise and also he played heroes like a ball harbor he throughout these horrible shots that no business even being attempted in the first place that koi. Brian played all basketball but he even he fought awfully there. He always had a smile. He always had a smile because he's like yup. I'm not on my career it happens. I'm getting old. I'm not as good as they used it. And here's a poor mcgregor the same age but in terms of where they are right now. Curling career mcgregor like the dude is at the bring down. Or he's your the tail end ricky. Be like yeah. I don't think on regular accommodated wants to win title. I don't think we're gonna see the congress. Twenty two sixteen i they were gonna see a contributor who's just happy to go compete because in the interview and a her presser he say you know what to support a man. He fought really good. He really well did an awesome job. Really messed me up. I wanna be active active. I enjoyed competition. I enjoy doing something competitive. And we'll see what happens here and kinda mcbrayer. Here's a look like he's all that brown beat over losing he isn't and someone put it out. I saw comment on twitter where some ended up saying. Hey is car mcgregor. The newtown will lee and what they mean by that. Is that if you watch anytime defined or his fights since being champion. The guy looks dejected. He doesn't look like he's motivated. He seemed like he just doesn't care tab the rubble all there are both fighters who i really don't wanna see but there is between woodley town will the robert. Compared to conor mcgregor is the fact that while woodley and robbie lawler they're just not motivated to even try or they have no have no aspirations of going out there and pulling out a good show coming gregor. He pulled a great show here. This was a good fight for conor. Mcgregor weird he didn't win. The fights but in terms of performance on like those fighters on mike robbie on my car the contrary he put his iggy out there. This is a games. Wasn't good enough because it's a forty was the better fighter. Let's not disregarding how go fight to support. You is the right that this is a case of. We got two excellent fighters congregated was was expected to win the fight here but he was fighting in somebody who is in the absolute peak of their career. Now we have never seen a better version of disappointed that we see right now seeing the best version appropriate and colorado although we're not seeing the best version of him. We're seeing a darn good striker there. Because if you if you put anyone else but somebody who's of elite level of Would have easily knocked him out with all of the give and to give you an assault sticky. Glad as to how it was. So i'm looking at the stats here. This employee landed fifty three of ninety eight. He lent it fifty percent of strikes. You compared to conor mcgregor. He'll and fifty two of ninety. He fifty six percent of strikes in terms of striking to tally. These two are pretty much dead on even their dead even with mcgregor only having minus one in terms of striking southie now support he led more significant strikes and those strikes was his leg. Kicks because people seem to get people only think that all mexico strikes head-hunter not shot to the head and now. Portia lennon more kicks. While conor mcgregor missed more punches and mcgregor here who normally throws it really. Good leg kicks throughout. Its little to no lexington. Spite heathrow eric in the tail end of the first round but for the most part his kicks were just you know there are other question. Not really a real threat. He destroys it. But there's nothing really to though he mostly is a boxer for about here. And that's what happened. We saw boxer comedy. We didn't see kickback. We didn't kickboxer mcgregor within a couple of whereupon mcgregor within mcgregor who was very dynamic of versatile had with a fight with a high iq being able to go pick out an angle shots. No we didn't see that we saw car mcgregor. The boxer conor mcgregor who was a really good fighter who is really good. Fighter has knockout power. But who's not prepared was fide as a result of the kicks and even so mcgregor pulled out from months. I see a lot of people on twitter people. Instagram basham mcgregor mcgregor had a great performance. And i think this is really discrediting and it is a very disrespectful to say. Oh man mcgregor loss. No disin- pori defeated conor mcgregor Loss let's say amend mcgregor loss. He let himself down then out pouring which the better fighter with respect good fighters for their good performances. I see people at jake. Paul looking paul making comments. I see people out there who don't even watch. Mma who are making comments about this in like mount mcgregor. Look the camera. Gregor no back in two hundred twenty sixteen. I think he's gone and the commodore we're seeing now is a lot more. Different is lot more professional. 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Sports the golden state media concepts sports podcast. Should i say more from the nfl melby. The nba mma. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports. Podcast listen and we are back inside discussing. Ufc two of fifty seven. Now all this pouring hamburger. That was a fight that many tune into watch commanded vents. Wow just a while. We add hooker. Michael chandler michael john making his debut and oh my goodness so challenge key man as the underdog and me and my friend were talking about this like okay so this is going to go. It's going to be hooker playing it. He's gonna poke chandler because he's got significant reconvene jovem he's gonna poke chandler from the striking he's gonna win the striking changes and is going to go for a takedown and hook is gonna stop. It's and then it's just going to be challenged trying to take down being not successful and hooker slowly reports at least house way thoughts instead we saw was michael chandler with a one punch knockout knocking out. Dan hooker with an overhand rights. I do not see that coming. Many people coming in from this one fight alone and also the promo. The challenge did afterwards. He put stock up there. Man he is now he is now. I say a top contender. that's right. be in the discussion of top five and right. Now we're still unsure of what to expect from the lightweight division right. Now it's difficult. There are a lot of moving pieces going on. What's up with what's up with. Just engage this charles oliveira. I'm looking fighter between hook and chandler. And i'm i'm burton fused also because a i didn't think then hooked would fight the way that he fought in this about here in this is like he was very passive hues very passive and it wasn't like he was going for counters. This five here. Pretty once as michael chandler chasing dead hooker around. And i thought you'd know what's wrong with you dan. You got the reach avantage here. What are you trying to poke him. Why don't you go chase down and provoke him to go for a take down with your poking and then if he tries to go for shooting in for a doubling or simulated stuff. It's they bring over to guard and you can use a signal. Reach advantage grant action. That's what i thought. I thought that hooker should've been a lot more aggressive in this bout. Here he should. Who's who's facing after michael chandler. But that it happened. It was like the bill the bell sounds chandler rushes towards hooker and then khokar is costly sidestepping. Yeah he's yes he is sidestepping grand for that it's going to sidestep a- times horizontally but hooker just wasn't doing much here he'd like there is nothing that hooker did about here. He was trying to poke him. Try and be like one. Punch step back. What punch step back. And there was such a significant difference in terms of the timing between etowah punches. It gave so much room for the chandler to make adjustments for his game. Because i thought here dead. Hooker could overwhelm chandler with the striking this. Dan hooker overwhelmed support. A because when you. When the dan hooker i see here resident. Who could i saw this pori complete night and day here. Because when he fought against pary he does dive in there. No fear and it's been bartered with the broadest shots. Yes there's a possibility that upon then hooker being overly aggressive. Michael china could landed a clean shot which they did in fact ended up landing clean shots. But at least i've done something. He would have asserted himself or seem kind of like a threat that that hooker could potentially knock-out chandler do something that will make something that will overwhelm. Here's what happened here. Chandler over down hooker. Worst to dan hooker being. Let's dan hooker or by putting his arms down and trying to find angling trying to find the right shots when it was too little too late. S- hooker was aroma. Chandler hook of rome chandler wrote about started the did happen. Hooker fought way to passive chandler. Coming man is warranted besides healthy dude. Let you can book. Chandler versus charles oliveira for next month and challenge will be one hundred eighty for that bouts now. What's next for that hooker. I'm really sure other than no but we go. Look at the c. Light we see right now. We have a number of still the current champion. Dana white's pulsar oppressor. I think he finally got to. It's like okay. It seems like this what they said he said. It seems like everyone is convince could be Is retired except me and it seems like i'm the only one pushing for khabib to come retirements. And the way how is right. Now i would. Jimmy don't believe could be gonna come back. I don't see it and you're not it especially. I didn't africa bieb. If he does go. See the warriors The footage shown where it was a dinner. why Costly pegging like him like him in is like got matair. I think dean white there qazi pegging and bothering and trolling. And there's peer pressure in the heck out of khabib from that dinner might looking for a fighter. Going to go type of dan white looking for fighter you warriors and the entire show. Pretty much is just dana. White and his crew pressuring khabib. Kind of guilt tripping him. There's one scenario where they don't. It was huckabee named people's people. His phone is like hey could be guess. What's pori risk ago. That fights looks like it's going to be more popular than your fights with conor mcgregor. Imagine what would happen if conner again Imagine and is hitting him shoulder his elbow and could be was like yeah and then he goes over to his rights and he sees other people being like this other. This other guy saying hey could be. How do you feel like fighting is comedy for the second time. It could be always like putting conor mcgregor. Hey man fighting is so cool. Fighting is really awesome. Could i think you'll miss it like so much. Peer pressure from happening. Bbc's the video even he'll be like all k nine now. I see what you're trying to do here. It's not going to happen. He's not gonna go. Peer pressure me into being a fighter again and his. All let's see can be biden's olivero could be brazil oliveira could be could be recycled chandler. Those are awesome fights. If i was the match booker here is how our bucket so i off. We would have just engaged struggle. Then makes the most sense to me. Trussell veira he's ranked number three. He's ranked number three. he's he just. He dominated twenty ferguson. It only makes sense for veira to get an opportunity to potentially for for the title through in contenders fights makes perfect sense. If you're gonna time line right now. Michael chandler doesn't pori. We might not see either these to fight again to probably maybe august august this year like mid to late mythili twenty one and i can imagine a chandler. He's type of fighter in that. He wants months in advance to prep it up to go fight and just engaged. He's always open to. He's open for a fights all he really wants to find against a top contender here. And both these fighters like we've got just get you all a chandler. V for fighters are just one fight away from getting title fights. Now will it be against kabibi. I'm not sure being a hypothetical matchbook here. Charles lavera sin you winner. That bout faces the winner between michael chandler anticipatory then thos