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Shaker Heights - Episode 5: The Crucible

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Shaker Heights - Episode 5: The Crucible

"Welcome to Shaker Heights episode five the crucible floating floating falling on the ground I freeze on children's eyelashes and blurred. They're altered vision of the world. They see a different earth than I of candy and playgrounds and eternal smiles. I see the truth cold. Bare trees stripped of life and hard ground. That poem was written by a sixteen year. Old Girl named Lisa. Pruitt not long before she was stabbed. Twenty one times and left for dead behind her. Boyfriend's house in Shaker Heights Ohio in September of nineteen ninety in the hours after her murder. A small group of close friends gathered away from their parents away from the police and made up their minds. The person who committed this crime was the weird kid in school. The Kid who wore metallica t shirts Kevin Young one by one. They went to police and pointed the finger at Kevin and although was not one piece of evidence linking Kevin to the crime scene regardless of the fact that he had an alibi the small town police were taken by the children's stories and they decided Kevin Young was their best suspect. A tragedy was playing out in real time. Just outside of Cleveland and the name of that tragedy was the crucible on September Twenty Sixth Nineteen Ninety several detectives from Shaker Heights traveled to Ohio State University where Kevin Young was beginning his freshman year. Because of what happens next Kevin. Young's life will be quite short. He will never hold down a real job or have any long relationships with women no family of his own he will die at the age of forty four and two thousand and seventeen the detectives have consulted with FBI profiler who explained how they could extract a confession from Kevin speak to him late at night. They said Bring Lots of Candy and Soda. Be Good Cops. Try to make friends with him. Let HIM FEEL SAFE. And so it goes Wednesday September twenty sixth nineteen ninety. Deputy Chief Jim rosiest detective sergeant. Dan Villardo detective top Kosinski officer Ben Hur Secretary Roz and I drove to Ohio State University. We arrived about six. Pm and met with captain. John Petrie and detective Jim Younger of Ohio State University Police Department also present. Detective Sergeant Tim Reid and detective. Tim Ward who had gone to Columbus earlier in the day. The cavs police assigned one of their officers to watch the dormitory to let us know. When Kevin Young came in we planned to make contact with Kevin About eight PM. We then went to the Ramada Inn to get settled and have dinner as of about eight. Pm The Columbus police had not located cabin. One of their officers called the phone. And Kevin's room ask for Kevin and was told he was not in this office than set up surveillance on Kevin's room about nine. Pm We decided to return to the police department. Upon our arrival detective younger explained that one of his undercover officers has just located Kevin Young. He explained that. This officer was dressed as a maintenance man. It was clean a trash room that gave him a direct view of Kevin. Young's dorm room. This officer had just reported that Kevin had left his room. Gone down the stairs and returned with pop. He added that Kevin was wearing a blue woodbury. Run T shirt. I followed detective younger to the dormitory. Rob Houses one of the dormitories. Moral Tower located on the campus at Ohio State University. Detective younger I entered the third or the main floor. This is the only entrance into staffed by students who provide security and limited access to the building. Detective younger identified himself as campus police and we went up the elevator to the fifth floor. There we met with the campus police officer who had seen Kevin Young. He told us that Kevin's roommate and a girl had just left but that Kevin was in the room the door to the quad dorm room number. Five fifty was open. As was the door to Kevin's room which was five fifty four. The open hallway door entered into a small living room. Type area to the rear of this area were four doors. Each leading to a dorm room shared by two students. Detective Young entered the quad dorm room through the open door and knocked on the door. Way To Kevin's room. I waited outside in the hall where I could both see and hear detective younger. Detective younger displayed. His badge identified himself as a campus police officer and told Kevin that someone was here to talk to him. Kevin said to ask him in and detective younger said it was private and suggested they step out in the hall and away from his roommates. It should be noted that we had selected the hallway because the room to the other quad. Dorm rooms were all closed. No one was in the hallway and Kevin's other roommates were in their rooms with their doors. Open Kevin said he needed to get off the phone. Kevin Young detective younger than walks into the hallway. I deduce myself as Tom. Gray from the Shaker Heights police department. As I said Shaker Heights police department. Kevin said the words with me. Kevin Nervously said he had been expecting to hear from us. I told Kevin I'd been interviewing a lot of people who had information about Lisa Pruitt. I added that rich mullany and Jim. Brosius had told me that during his first interview he had offered to come whenever necessary to help us with the case. I told him that since I needed his help. I thought it made more sense for me to come to Columbus. Kevin invited us into his room. I told him that I thought it was private and best be done away from his roommates. I added that I had asked detective younger to get me into the building because that would attract far less attention than the Shaker Heights. Police I went on to tell Kevin the we could use a room at the campus police department and he appeared to get very nervous. I then told him I was staying at the Ramada in about five minutes from campus and that we could use my room Kevin agreed and said he just needed to get some shoes or call home. He dialed the phone. That put it down gotta shoes and asked if he could call later. I told him he could call home in every wanted detective younger. Kevin Young and I walked towards the elevator. Kevin said the stairs were faster so we walked down stairs. Detective younger got into his auto and went on to other duties. Kevin and I got into sixty seven. Eighty to an unmarked Shaker Heights police cruiser during the drive. Kevin and I did not talk about the case instead. We discussed college life dormitory life and classes. He mentioned that he was glad to be at school and that it was an opportunity to begin a new life. He explained that he had not decided on a major but was interested in business. He added that his real interest was in economics and we talked a little about economics. The Adam Smith Foundation. He started in high school and Mr for Resou- his high school economics teacher. We discussed the adjustment to college classes. Kevin said it was an easy transition because what he was doing. A college was a review of what he did in high school. He said he tested out of enough credits. That he will be soft more mid year he also talked about the honors program in Ohio. State that he is currently enrolled in Kevin. I arrived at the motel about nine forty five PM. We parked by number two and took the elevator to the fifth floor room. Five twenty was around the corner to the right as we exited the elevator as we entered the room. Kevin remarked that it was a nice room. He mentioned calling home and asked if he could wait until after we finished. I told him he could call what he wanted and offered to. Let the city of Shaker Heights. Pay For the call. I suggested a seat and make himself comfortable. He sat in the seat on the couch. Nears the window. As I sat on the other end of the couch there was a loud noise like a helicopter from outside Kevin that we could close the Windows. I got up closed both sliding doors and turn the air conditioner on low. I begin by explaining to Kevin that I spent the last two weeks talking to people then gathered as much information as possible in an attempt to figure out what happened to Lisa. I told Kevin I needed some insight from him in addition to just discussing his involvement. Kevin said he was eager to cooperate in any way that he could. I told Kevin that this trip to Columbus was important to me. I explained that we were under pressure from the media and there were some loosens questions I had about his involvement with the case. Kevin responded with a few comments about how bad the television stations are how bad he felt about what they did to Dan. He added that he would like to resolve this before the media gets a hold of the story given us how long we would be and I told him I wasn't sure I explained to cabinet. Since I came to him for help. He could decide when he was ready to stop talking and I would take back his dormitory. He mentioned that he had an eight o'clock class but added that he was a night person. We could take our time. We discussed class schedule and the classes he was taking. I offered Kevin pop and he chose a coke from the CAN I offered I offered Kevin pop and he chose a coke from the can the only way I drink it. I then reminded Kevin that I was a police officer that I was investigating a crime then reminded Kevin that I was a police officer and that I was investigating a crime in which he was still suspect. Kevin said that detective mullany had explained that to him. I told him that he had a right to remain silent in. Didn't have to talk to me. Kevin said he wanted to help. I told him that we could stop or take a break whenever he wanted. He said he knew that as I started to explain that he could talk to an attorney. Kevin interrupted me and said that he understood his rights. He explained that detective mullany had explained all his rights and that he signed a paper that he understood. I asked him to tell me what he thought about the incident. Kevin replied that as he told detectives mullany he was afraid that tax can workman had done it and what scared him even more was that. Tex might have done it for him. Kevin Kevin went on to explain that he didn't know how he could live with the guilt if Tex had done it for him I ask Kevin Y. Tex would do it for him and Kevin replied that he Kevin had been at Arabiya on Thursday. When Tex came in Kevin said he remembers that at the time he was sitting alone at a table and was real upset about a good friend of his that had been sent to the Middle East. Kevin said he remembers texts coming in sitting at a table with him and saying something about going over to Dan drivers and that Lisa was coming over. He remembers the Tech. Said something about hating to be around when Dannon lease are together. I then ask Kevin why he thought Texas would do this. Kevin replied that texts knew that he kevin had a crush on Lisa for a long time. Even though Kevin insisted the crush was over Kevin out of the text was also worried about having an alibi for Thursday night. Kevin explain it. He was feeling extreme guilt even thinking about the possibility that texts might have done this for him. I asked Kevin who was friends with that. Went to the Middle East and Kevin said it was Emmanuel Robinson. He then went on to explain that. Manny was not really a close friend just some when he went to high school with Kevin added that he really didn't even know if many was there but that he had heard that from other friends. I asked Kevin of menu into the service right after high school. He explained that many and he had just graduated together and that he didn't know manny very well. Kevin added that he only spoken to manny a couple of times throughout high school. Kevin just scared him that a kid his age was going to come back. Dead from the Middle East Kevin went on to talk about the draft and how because of his January birthday he would be one of the first kids drafted. He explained that there were going to start the draft next year by drafting nineteen year old kids. I ask given what he thought about the draft and he said he didn't really think they would do. It can then went on to add that he thought the draft was unfair since they spent all that money all those years on a volunteer army. Kevin added those volunteers and reserves knew the risks when signed up and that they should not need a draft Kevin Pause as if in deep thought and I told them I remembered worried about the draft in high school and that they stop the draft. The year I graduated I then ask Kevin if he was worried about the draft and he said not really he did not really think they would have a draft. He then begin to talk about settling through economic means supreme markets and why we were in the middle. He went on to explain that he remembers having long arguments really discussions with students and teachers at Shaker. High School on topics like this when Kevin was done explaining his views on the issues. I asked him if he enjoyed thinking and talking about things. Theoretical kinds of terms. Kevin said yes he he remembers. Kevin said yes. He remembers doing that a lot in economics. And I said with Mr Fabrizio and he said Oh you know him. He's a different sort of guy but we used to have a lot of long talks about economics world politics at anything. Kevin added that his own views were kind of conservative and had allowed him to have some long discussion with with some kids at school. That had really strong views and then he enjoyed doing that kind of thinking and that kind of mental thought process. I then told him that was what I needed help with. I explained that it would be great. Help to me in figuring out what happened to Lisa Pruitt. I asked him to put himself in the place of the person who did this to Lisa. Pruitt tell me a little bit about what he thinks happened. Kevin looked at me with a kind of puzzled look and said just between us and I said Yeah just to kind of help me think. Through the thought process. I begin asking Kevin if he thought Lisa was riding her bike or walking. When this happened looking at me but without constant eye contact. He said that he thought she was riding her bike and that the person grabbed her bike and the bike then rolled into the bushes. I asked him to go on and Kevin Thought for a minute and then turned and looked up the sliding door window and began to explain that the person who did. This really didn't plan on it to happen. He didn't really think about it ahead of time that he was just walking around that night and kind of wandering and Salsa and when these two people got close something snapped something snapped in this. Anger came out that he could not control. He knocked lease offer by grafter and something happened and she was stabbed with a knife and she was stabbed and she died so fast that he got scared. He did not want that to happen and he started acting frantic and crazy and running around and doing real quick because he was scared Kevin Positon. I asked what happened next. And he looked at me and said that he ran from there. Kevin added that he was sure that he will never kill again and that he was sorry. That Lisa died. Kevin said that he probably has a new life away from their Kevin thought from moment then repeated that he got out of there. Kevin added that he was sure that this person will never kill again and that person was so scared. When Lisa died that he will never kill again. I told Kevin that I was afraid that something might snap again that this person might hurt someone. Kevin said he was sure. The person wouldn't because the person had gone on to another life and things were better and this could never happen again. I asked Kevin to describe what he thought happened to Lisa. He said she was stabbed. And then he added. He heard on the news that she had been stabbed. I asked him to explain in greater detail and he said that he thought she was stabbed from the front. Kevin said that he just walked up to her and stabbed her once twice. Maybe more because there was a lot of anger going on giving us to use the bathroom and in fact got stuck in their due to a sticky door. We joked about it. He decided that next time he wouldn't close the door completely. He also got another pop about this time after a couple of minutes stretch I ask Kevin how well he knew the area where this had happened. He told me that he often walks around at night when he can't sleep but that he usually doesn't go to Lee road. He added that most of the time he just walks near her house. He added that he added that most of the time he just walks near his house goes across the street and sits in the stadium at the high school. He explained that he often doesn't sleep well and that he uses the time to think things out for himself. I asked Kevin what kind of things he thinks about. And he said that over the years he has had a lot of problems with dealing with kids at Shaker and he often needed time to think things out. Kevin said that happened when he would say or do something to others. That bothered him. He mentioned dealing with girls specifically but added that things were better now that he had his new life at college. I then ask heaven to describe the area and he said there was a sidewalk and some trees but he didn't remember too much detail. I asked him to try to remember what he could about the area to think in terms of the person who did this and I think what he would do with a knife. Kevin said that he would get rid of it. Only idiot would keep the knife. I asked how he would get rid of it. Kevin real quickly replied. That would be easy. There will be a lot of sewers around if you throw it hard enough. No one will ever find it still thinking in terms of the person who did this. I asked Kevin where the scared person would go to wash. Blood off his hands or to change clothes. He looked right at me and said that the way Lisa was stabbed. This person didn't get any blood on him and didn't get any blood on their clothes and that he didn't know where they would go if they did. I asked him if he was familiar with the lakes and parks in the area and he again said that he did not know where this person would go to wash change. Then ask Kevin to tell me how this person felt and how Lisa felt before during and after Kevin Thought for a minute and said he didn't feel anything before because he was just walking around and didn't know it was going to happen. Kevin said he then felt scared angry because he couldn't stop what was happening to Lisa. I asked Kevin how this person felt. Afterwards he paused and said guilty he added. He thought the person felt a lot of guilt. He then looked right at me and quickly that he thought this person would feel guilty because he kevin always made himself feel guilty about things he couldn't control went on to explain that he felt a lot of guilt about Lisa's death and that he felt he should have been there to stop this person even though he knows logically that he shouldn't feel that way. I asked Kevin how he thought Lisa Feld he thought from in looked out the window and said Lisa knew him and that she felt surprised and that she looked real scared when she realized what was happening. I asked Kevin what this person might have said to Lisa and you said that he didn't think this person said anything to Lisa. We then talked about the possibility that the motive was robbery or rape. He paused lean back on the couch and said that he didn't think Lisa had anything to steal that he didn't think that this person wanted to rape her that it was anger or something snapping and that he didn't think the person was criminal. I ask Kevin if he thought this person heard Lisa screaming and he looked right at me and said of course he would. He added that he is so. Close that the screams would be like yelling in your ear right now. We talked a little bit about what happens to people under stress. I told him that there are policemen involved in shootings that don't remember hearing the shots. He simply said he didn't believe it. We then talked a little bit about how people believe different things. He mentioned long arguments with other students over beliefs and added that he sometimes expressed an extreme view to get people to argue. We talked a little about crimes and how different people have different views on. What should happen to people that commit crimes? I then ask Kevin what he thought should happen to the person who did this to Lisa. Kevin had been very relaxed. He sat right up. Looked me right in. The eyes spoke slowly and deliberately and said that the person that did this should be electrocuted. 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I told Kevin that that was exactly why I came to Columbus that we shared concerns about the person who did this that I agreed with him that I thought Lisa knew the person who did this that I felt during our investigation. We interviewed the person who did this during our investigation. I explained to him that I felt that it sometime. I would be interviewing this person and that in order to help this person I needed to get through to him that I was from our juvenile unit and was used to help kids get help that the reason I was involved in all the interviews was that I had convinced my boss that this was a kid who needed help and who was not a criminal. I told Kevin that time was running out. Our detectives put together a case to send a criminal jail. I asked for advice on how to convince this person that I understood that he needed help. And that the only chance I have convincing others was for this person to trust me. I explained that someone has to present the case to the prosecutor and that how the cases presented determines what the person is charged with I added viewed myself as a neutral outsider in the judicial process. Whose duty it was to gather facts and put pieces together and present it to a prosecutor explained that if the fact showed evidence of a cold blooded killing then I would be forced to present those facts but if the fact showed that someone needed help then I would present those facts. I told Kevin that my fear was that the person needed help and I would not be able to get through to them. I ask Kevin for his help and asked if he thought that I could get through to this person and told him that I valued his opinion. Because I thought this person was one of his group of friends. Kevin told me he thought that I could get through to this person but that it would not be easy because it would be very difficult for this person to admit what he had done. I then ask Kevin how I get through to this person. Kevin told me that I would have to meet again and again and again with this person and that I would have to push them real hard and get them real emotional and force them to want to talk about what happened. He added that he thought it would really be in the best interest of the person involved. If I kept doing that to everybody until I got to the person so that he could admit what he did and get the help that he needed. I talked to Kevin about how important this trip down here was to me. I told him that after interviewing people most of the day I decided that I had to talk to him and that it couldn't wait. I explained to Kevin many people including my boss believe that Kevin had been involved in what happened to Lisa. I told Kevin I needed his help to explain this to my boss. I asked him to help me explain and told Kevin that I needed help from him to explain his involvement to my boss. Kevin became very defensive and said in a strong voice quote. I didn't do it then. Kevin who he thought did do it and he said he was very scared for texts and that he thought text killed Lisa. I asked if he thought tax was capable and he said the techs had been at his house Friday morning and that texts had threatened to kill Dan Dreifort because he thought Dan Dreifort did it. We then talked about whether Kevin believed that Tex really thought damn driver did it and the conflict between that and Kevin. Thinking the text in it Kevin. Finally said he did not really think texted it but was not sure who else could have done it. I told Kevin I had a lot of unanswered questions and asked him what he would say. If I told him that someone had seen him out of House that night. Kevin quickly replied. No one saw me out of my House. Then he added. It was too dark out there for anyone to see me. He went on to explain that as he had explained to detective mullany. He went to bed that he woke up and was unable to sleep and that he just got up and walked around the house he added that he had gotten a sharp pain while lying in bed. About twelve thirty a M expanded. This made him feel extremely guilty because he felt he should have realized that something was going on that he should have been out there to do something about it but that he stayed in his house he also said that he had talked to his next door neighbor and that is next door neighbor had had the same pain the same time of the night and that he thought that was kind of eerie because he thinks it was right about the time that somebody was doing this to Lisa. Pruitt I told Kevin I was thinking about loose ends again and asked if there was any reason he might find his fingerprints on. Lisa's jeans Kevin. Got Very Defensive. Said his fingerprints are not on. Lisa's jeans and insisted that I take his fingerprints to compare with any fingerprints on. Lisa's jeans. Iceland Kevin that a lot of evidence such as that was still being examined and until such time as we had fingerprints to compare something to we would not be collecting fingerprint cards from any the suspects involved. I explained that his answers met more now. Before we got the evidence back I then told Kevin I wanted to think back to his description of what happened to Lisa. I ask heaven if he was familiar enough with the area that he could draw me a sketch of the area. He explained that he often walks at night. That he doesn't go toward Lee road. I then should him four pictures of the area I asked if he could look through the pictures and see if they gave him a better picture of what happened. He looked at the pictures then. Went Back to the third picture of what was looking northbound at the sidewalk. Only road where the bicycle was found. He stared and looked at that picture as we talked for the next few minutes. I told him that I needed the truth from him that I needed him to be honest with me. He told me that he was being honest and that he did not do anything to Lisa that he did not do it. I told him I needed his help to resolve this either way. I told Kevin detect a mullany had told me that during the first interview he had offered to take a polygraph test. Kevin stated that he was still ready to take the polygraph and added that he would like to take it at any time. I explained to Kevin that it was important to do the polygraph. When it was good for him I added that I appreciate it as cooperation in the in the investigation and that I could arrange to set it up for next week tomorrow whenever he wanted. Kevin asked how quickly we could get the polygraph operator down because he wanted to take it as quickly as possible. I asked Kevin if he wanted to go back to his dormitory and get some sleep. I also told him that if he wanted he was welcome to stay here. He said that if we could do it early the next day he could stay at the motel. He then thought about the fact that he had eight o'clock classes and was concerned about missing classes and wanted to get the polygraph over with but didn't want to interfere with his classes. I told Kevin that I had prepared for the trip. And it brought a polygraph operator with me. I explained that it was up to him. But I told Kevin if you wanted to tonight I could go. Talk to the polygraph. Operator and make arrangements for the polygraph. I explained that it would take some time for the operator to prepare the questions for the test. Kevin said that he would rather do it now. Whatever it took so that he could prove once and for all that he didn't do anything to Lisa Kevin appear to be in a very emotional state. He was smoking heavily. His muscles tensed up and he had a lot of intensity in his voice. I tried to just talk more about things for a while. In order to get a more relaxed for the polygraph. We talked about polygraphs. Police investigations then spent time talking about college in about Shaker at approximately twelve thirty in the morning. I asked Kevin if you wanted another pop. He took a break and went to the bathroom. Kevin was out of cigarettes and I got him a fresh pack. I told him I had two options. Either bring the polygraph operator down and we talk in general about the setup or go to the other room and brief the polygraph operator. Kevin said he'd like a few minutes to sit and smoke a cigarette. So I told Kevin I'd be back in a few minutes. I met with our officers room number five sixteen and explain to our polygraph operator. Tom Cahan Sqi where I was at in the interview. And we discussed key points for the polygraph. Thompkin ski ask if Kevin was rested. Enough to take a polygraph. I then return to talk together while the polygraph questions were prepared. I asked Kevin if you've ever taken a polygraph before then he said No. I explained to him that he needed to be rested. And calm and prepared to take the polygraph. We talked about the late hour and I again offered to let him sleep either at the motel or in his dormitory. Kevin said that he felt good that he felt relaxed and that he wanted to take the polygraph. And get it over with. I told him we had some time until the polygraph operator was ready. We just sat and talked about the adjustment to college. We talked about how easiest classes were and his preparation from high school and said that he was real excited and that he had a whole new chance to get a new life started and was hoping that we would come down and get done with this and he wouldn't have to deal with it anymore because he was really comfortable in his new life that he had started. Kevin also talked at this point in time about his roommate and how somebody college must do a really good job of matching roommates because he has roommate clicked right from the very beginning and he really liked the Guy Lot. He had a nice girlfriend. Kevin then mentioned that he had already met a couple of girls at Ohio State. And how much better things were going at college. He added that just today a girl had walked up and talk to him in one of his classes without him ever having to talk to her do anything and he didn't think about getting a number but he was excited because he would see her in class the next day and would be able to get her number and she would be a new friend to be able to talk to. After we talked for a few minutes there was a knock at the door and he was Tom Cahan. Sqi I introduced Kevin Young and Thompkins. Reggie Thompkins ski then. Brought in the polygraph equipment and began setting it up on the table. I talked to Kevin and asked him if there was anything else I could do for him and he said No. I told him if there were any questions or problems. I'd be in the other room and they could call me at about two. Am I left? Tompkins ski and Kevin Young in room. Five twenty. I went to room five sixteen to wait for the polygraph. To be completed we again discussed the interview. We were just discussing a number of options and I contacted Special Agent Jim. Right of the FBI at home. Jim Wright provided direction for the interview. If it should continue and reminding me the cabinet I could be getting tired. I decided to focus on the polygraph as a break and use the next session as a new time of talking to Kevin. About two forty five. Am when the polygraph test was over. Tomcat Cahan ski left Kevin In Room. Five twenty and came to room five sixteen to discuss the results. He told me that there was slight deception on all but two of the questions however he added that Kevin had an extreme high stress heart rate. That could be related to the interview or just being tired. Thompkin Hansi explained that he had not confronted Kevin with any of the results. I took the note pad with Tom. Cahan skis notes and questions on it and went back to five twenty to meet Kevin. Kevin was still seated at the table. Where Tompkins Haski had conducted the polygraph? I pulled a chair directly in front of Kevin and told him that I was concerned. I explained that he had not done well on the interview as I had hoped. I explained to him that there were a number of questions for which he showed deception. I told him it was late and asked him if he thought being tired had a lot to do with it. Kevin said he thought that that must be it and that he was sure he was telling the truth. I looked right in the eyes and asked him if he did it. And once again he replied. I didn't do it. I then reminded Kevin that we both had been up all day and then gave him some options in terms of what he might like to do. I told him that I was down here to learn the truth from him and to help him and then I would do whatever he wanted to do. I told him one choice was that I could take him back to his dormitory. And if you wanted comeback next week to see him a second choice was to take him back to his dormitory and see him again after classes. The third choice was to continue to talk. Kevin said he wanted to continue talking and that he wasn't tired and felt that he could best help by continuing to discuss the incident. We took a short break. Kevin went to the bathroom and I got him another pop. I didn't start by talking to Kevin. About how important this was for me personally to get through to the person who did this to Lisa and get them the help that they needed. I explained that most of the police department and most of the investigators had kids and that they were only out to solve a crime. Kevin said that he had heard a lot of things about Lucasville prison and he had been thinking about that and that it would be really awful for the person who did this to Lisa to have to spend the rest of their life in a place like Lucasville prison within talk in general about the need to punish adults and to help kids within reviewed how he heard about what happened to Lisa. He talked about texts coming over to his house about his mother. Walking him up about the fact that his mother knew because she'd gotten a call but that his mother didn't tell them Kevin talked about how text was real wild and upset about the whole thing. Kevin said he didn't think much about it until he was at Arab later in the day. I told Kevin I had some concerns about what he said to others about Lisa while he was at Arabic he said he only knew techs told him I asked him what techs told him and he said Techs told him that Lisa had been knocked off her bicycle bludgeoned and raped. I then confronted Kevin with the information. I had that he was insisting that should been stabbed and not beaten and that he was insisting that she had not been raped. Kevin denied that he said that and added that maybe sometime later in the day he had heard on the news or otherwise that she had been stabbed and that she wasn't raped and that he remembers at some point hearing that Friday night and that he figured that must be what the kids were referring to again started to focus on. Kevin and I told him that I was scared and I thought he was involved and then I will really hate for something to happen to them like him going to prison for the rest of his life. I told him I really urgently needed him. To tell the truth. Kevin began moving into seed looked around the room with quick. Darting is he then looked at me relaxed back in the chair and told me that he was tired and then he needed a break. He offered to sleep on the couch for a couple of hours. Kevin said he wanted to get up. Talk some more. And then take the polygraph again to prove his innocence once and for all I discussed my concern that he be arrested for the polygraph. Kevin again offered to stay in the motel room and asked me if I would help him explaining to his teachers if you missed the classes because he had a couple of quizzes coming up. I told him I would help him in any way possible. I asked Kevin if you'd rather go back to his dorm and sleep and he said he was afraid he would spend the rest of the night explaining this to his roommates. I asked Kevin if it was a normal day and he was up till four. Am The current time how late he would sleep. He said probably until ten or eleven am. I told Kevin that I would move my bag out of the bedroom room. Five twenty as a two room suite and that there was a large bed and bathroom and that he could have the sweet himself for the night. I suggested that he just rest and go to sleep and wake up when he was ready to go for the next day. Kevin asked me if he could call his parents and I said sure and offer it again to pay for the call. He then thought about the time said he did not want to worry them by calling at four in the morning and asked if he could call what he got up. I told him sure he then went into the bedroom in five. Twenty and close the door. I straighten up room five twenty little and winter room five sixteen and advised Deputy Chief. Roche's that I was done for the night. I left a note for Kevin Call Room five ten if he needed something. Before I returned it was four forty five. Am Been Retired for the night. I got up about eight a m a little before eight thirty. The phone rang and it was Kevin. He said he was up and ready to go. I told him I was taking a shower and ask. If you've got a chance to take a shower. He said no but he would love to. I told him never towels. So Shampoo and everything in the bathroom sweet and it was paid for and he might as well use it and make himself comfortable and I will be down shortly. I got dressed and went down to room. Five twenty as Kevin was coming out of the back room. He told me he was ready to go and he felt good after the shower. I asked him if you'd like to start with some breakfast. And he said that. That sounded like a good idea. There was a complimentary paper from the motel. I gave them the paper and asked if he wanted to look at it. I asked him again if he still wanted to. Take the polygraph. He said yes. He really needed to prove that he was innocent. I told him I thought he'd be more relaxed. If thompkins Sanski went out to breakfast with us he agreed. I explained that Tomka Handy had gotten up early and gone for a walk. I Left Kevin. Reading the paper for about twenty minutes until I located Tom. I then returned to Kevin's room and told him that Tom Clancy would be along in a couple of minutes. Kevin I discussed the Middle East and a couple of other current news items until Tompkins ski knocked on the door. We ask Kevin where he wanted to eat and he said anything was fine as we walked out of the room door Kevin Remember that he had forgotten to call whom I started to walk back into the room and said I would charge the call to the city. Kevin thought for a minute then said No. He'd rather wait until after the polygraph. When it was all over Kevin Young Tom Kamsky and I then walked to the area of the front desk. Where the Motel restaurant was located and we debated between eating there. Or at the Bob Evans. Next Door Kevin said he liked Bob Evans. So we walk. Next door came at breakfast of coffee and orange juice in French. Toast with about an hour to eat breakfast. Relax and talk. Kevin talked a lot about computer games in dungeons and Dragons Tompkins. He expressed an interest in dungeons and dragons and Kevin explained in detail about using the book. Being the Dragon Master and being a player he said a lot of the kids asked him to be dragon. Master he added that it was tough to be a player after. You've been a dragon master because you knew the book. He said that. A dragon master to come up with a lot of obstacles when players had been dragged masters. Kevin also talked about video games and Nintendo. He was proud of the fact that he had mastered Super Mario Three. He said that it took him like three hours to complete the first time but that after he played at once he could do it in about twenty minutes. He said he played intend to a lot. But that it was really his brother's game. He jokingly said that he has to get along with his little brother or his brother won't let them play. Kevin said he realized he was a little old for some of these video games but said they were at great challenge and a lot of fun. We took our time and walk back to the Moto. Tompkins ski went to prepare for the polygraph and Kevin. I began just talking about things in general I was working to have him very relaxed for the test. I ask Kevin if you felt pretty good about taking the polygraph and he did. We discussed again calling his mother and he repeated that he wanted to wait until after the polygraph. Kevin asked if we would be done after the polygraph. If we could talk a little and I said it was up to him and he asked if I could get some more pop and make sure that we had cigarettes so that we could take some time to talk after the test. He said he already missed his classes. And basically the whole day was spent and if we need to talk about that we could Kevin also said he'd like to talk awhile before he took the polygraph by now he was about ten. Am and we talk until about noon. During that time we discussed the incident again. We talked about how Kevin learned about the incident. And who is friends are? I asked who his best friend was and Kevin mentioned a letter. He was writing to John Hilliard. He explained that he was writing the letter but probably wouldn't send it because he expected to see him in a couple of weeks. He added that in the letter. He told John how well things are going at college. He also said he wrote about his roommate in his roommate's girlfriend. He said he wrote about her. Pda public displays of affection. Kevin added that she didn't really bother him but he just kind of jokingly said those kind of things because people expected to hear that from him. We then got to talking about computers. He said he had an apple computer at home. And it just learned to write in print on it but that was about all. He added that he had to give the computer to assist her. A ninth grader Shaker. Before he left to come down to Columbus I then asked him when he had come down to Columbus. He said he brought all of his stuff on the ninth of September. To try out for band. He said that he changed his mind about band left his stuff in the dormitory and went home. I asked him why he changed his mind and he said it was a lot of things. He said that he was nervous. About being away from home that most of the kids had been down there practicing for two weeks he added that bad also took a lot of time and was only worth two credits he also said he was never really into marching band that he enjoyed music but not marching. He seem nervous discussing band and change the subject. He mentioned a couple of girls that had come up to him in classes and talk to him. He added that they just came up to him and that he did not have to talk I. He went on to talk about how glad he was to be away from Shaker. Who's excited to have a whole new life and was glad to be away from the problems. He had schicker. He felt the kids Shaker. Were tough and related that he had a lot of friends but that they make him feel like an outcast I asked if he was referring to the G G C Kevin laughed and then talk about the girls and boys in about Prom night. He brought up the after Prom Party and told me that he has a tendency to build up his expectations and that he really felt angry. About what the girls did to him. He brought up Arabic and said that he basically hung out there the summer. I asked him how Dan Lisa fit in he described. Dan is best friend of his for a long time and that during the time that Lisa was in town he and dance a lot of time together. He went on to say that between Lisa being back in town and Dan being in the hospital that he really hadn't seen Dan much lately. I then ask Kevin what clothes he brought back from Columbus for his last week. Here I explained that we did not find any of his clothes when we wrote his house. He said all of his clothes were in the clothes. Shoot I told him the kids all remember him wearing one set of clothes he said most of the week. He wore a skateboarder t shirt. Blue Jeans and MOCCASINS. He said on the cool nights he wore a blue plaid flannel shirt. He added that matched what we knew and I said basically I thought from it and asked if he saw Dan the day Dan got out of the hospital. Kevin explained that even though he considered Dan best friend that he had not felt it important to try to get in touch with Dan or to talk to him the day that he got out. Kevin said he was aware that everybody at the high school was excited to see Dan and that Leeson Dan had been around together and at least it was very excited to see him. We talk next about tax. Ken Workman Kevin was in a very talkative mood. During this time period and I was basically listening and letting him talk around noon. Kevin said that he felt good that he was ready to take the polygraph. I left him in room. Five twenty. I told him that I did go to Tom. Geoghan Skis Room and talked to him about setting up for the test. At this time I learned that we had a problem and had to be out of the room by two PM. Jim Brochures had made arrangements for another room if needed also while heaven was waiting for me and five twenty. I Call Jim. Right from five sixteen. I discussed my concern that Kevin felt safe here and was prolonging the interview. I felt that Kevin did not want the interview to end. He felt the Kevin felt safe with me. We agree that we had to confront him and end. The interview. Arrangements were also made with Thompkins skied around the polygraph. And that if it came up clearing Kevin Young of any involvement that he should discuss that with Kevin and that if it came back with obvious deception that Tomkins ski should confront him with the deception and be prepared for the fact that Kevin might look like. He's about ready to admit. And that at that point that Tom Clancy should stop the confrontation and leave the room. And that Kevin thing for a few minutes until I return to the room to complete the confrontation I then went back and talk to Kevin and told him that either we had to be done by two PM or that. We had to move to another room. I gave him the option of taking the test. Right away or having lunch I while. Tom caskey changed rooms and set up his equipment in the other room. Kevin Thought Lunch sounded good and ask. We could go for Pizza. Specifically Pizza Hut. If there was one around I went to ask Thompkin Haski to change rooms and Kevin asked me to get some more coke and cigarettes in case we needed to talk. After the polygraph we again talked about calling home and Kevin said he wanted to wait until after the polygraph test. I saw Tom Jansky in return to the room. Kevin and I then walked to the front desk asked if there was a pizza hut and got directions to one nearby on high street. We agreed to split a pizza and Kevin ordered a medium Pepperoni Pan Pizza. We took our time and again talked about college and college life and being away from home and he talked about how it was scary. It was basically casual conversation. Kevin kept coming back to talking about his friends from Shaker. And how good it felt to be away from Shaker. Returned to the motel about one thirty PM and went to room for twenty one as we walk there. Kevin said that if the test didn't work well he would be willing to spend another night. He added that he felt very comfortable talking and felt confident. That if we talked long enough that we would be able to resolve everything when we got to the room. Tom Hinchey was waiting there for us. Kevin was very relaxed. He asked if he could use the bathroom. I because of the large coke for lunch Kevin went into the bathroom. I met briefly with Tom and told him. I thought Kevin was very relaxed and ready for the polygraph when Kevin came out of the bathroom. He noticeably more tense than he had just been moments earlier. He was all tensed up and rubbing his hands together nervously. I asked Kevin if he still want to take the test and he said he was ready to go. I wished good luck and told him. I would return after the test at a few minutes before three. Pm when the polygraph test was complete Tomkins he left Kevin by himself in room. Four twenty one and came to room five sixteen to discuss the results. He said that he ran two tests that he had cleared exceptions on most of the questions dealing with Lisa that he confronted Kevin with a deception and that Kevin got tears in his eyes but said nothing Tompkins he said he had confronted Kevin directly about his involvement with Lisa and Kevin Again said. I didn't do it at about three PM. Jim Brochures and I went into the room. Kevin was sitting by the polygraph machine on a chair with a concerned almost teary look in his eyes. I ask Kevin if he remembered deputy chief brochures and Kevin said he did. I asked Kevin if he remembered deputy chief brochures and Kevin said he did. I told Kevin due to the pressure on this incident that they had sent deputy chief down to Columbus. Deputy Chief Brosius then left the room. I asked Kevin if he minded if I open the drapes and he said that that would be great. I sat down directly in front of him got very close and told them I was concerned. I sat down directly in front of them got very close and told him that. I was concerned and a little scared about what happened. He knew machine couldn't lie but he didn't understand why the machine was doing this to him. I paused for a couple of minutes and begin to slowly explained. Kevin the situation as I saw it. I told him that if he really was not involved in what happened to Lisa that things would work out then told him. I was afraid that he was not telling the truth. I told him I really wanted a chance to help him. I repeated that the person who did this to Lisa needed me both as a friend and as someone to present objectively to the prosecutor. Exactly what happened? I repeated my feeling that this person really needed help that this person really didn't mean to hurt Lisa and that this person didn't deserve to spend his life in prison or to be executed. I told Kevin I had a number of concerns about his involvement with Lisa. I told him I wanted to go over them with him so that he understood why the pressure was on us to resolve his involvement. I told Kevin I had concerns about how he found out about Lisa and his reaction to her death. I explained that he said Techs told him that Lisa had been pulled off her bike. Hit in the head murdered and raped yet. Kids at Arab told us by one thirty in the afternoon that he kevin had been insisting that she had been stabbed and had not been raped. I told Kevin we didn't understand why watching the five o'clock news listening. Dan as a suspect made it obvious to everyone that Dan didn't do it. I told Kevin I was worried that he kept saying texted it yet. He told us that TEX wanted to kill Dan for doing it. I told Kevin that I was worried that he had made repeated threats against Dan and Lisa. I told Kevin that I was worried about his relationships with girls. I read from his journals. Quote I'm in the popular crowd but I don't like them or quote. I speak on a lonely Saturday evening or quote. My luck will change for the better in the next few months between high school and college each time he asked for and I showed him the paper that I was reading from. I told him I thought the affection between Dan Lisa bothered him and I read again from his papers quote. It really pisses me off when I see couples paired off. I am worth absolutely nothing. He replied that changed and I reminded him what he had said about his roommate's girlfriend's PDA public display of affection. I told him I had concerns about his fantasies with girls and again read regarding. Prom night quote it is not a bash. It is three girls and myself and they are ditching their boyfriends so they can spend the night with me. I asked if he really thought they were ditching their boyfriends on Prom night. He continued to look at me but did not respond. I told him some of his thoughts bothered me like quote. I will kill all undesirables. I must I am hated by virtually all my classmates males think I'm a loser in psychotic. A scar on the schools mere existence females despise me. As if I was the ugliest person on this planet which of course I am. I read the one final thought of his quote if I ever lose control of Myself. Withdraw into an alternative world and let animal instincts takeover. I headed Kevin a copy of that. That was I had Kevin a copy of that passage that was founded his house. Paused then told Kevin that you can't stay in this alternative world that the truth must come out. I Kevin Than I had enjoyed the time with him that it had been a long day and then I had to get back to the real world. I told Kevin A he had to get back to the real world too. I paused for a minute and told Kevin that I felt that he had a number of options. I told him that I felt confident that he was truthfully not involved. That things would work out however I also told him that if he was involved in any way in what happened to Lisa that he could never escape it. I said I felt that until he shared. The truth was someone who could understand him that there would be something deep down inside him. That would never let him get away from this. I told him that until this was resolved. He couldn't go back to Shakur because everybody in Shaker would think of him as being the suspect. I added that he couldn't go back to college because everything in college when now remind him of Lisa? I told him he couldn't go back to anything until he told the truth. I told him he had to clear his conscience. And tell the truth Kevin reacted. He leaned forward. He got real tense and he looked me right in the eyes with tears welling up in his eyes and deep emotion in his voice. He said he could have told me he did. It spent a couple of years in the hospital then got on with his life but he said quote. I've got to tell you the truth and this is the truth. And if I don't tell you this I don't know how I could ever live with myself. He paused for a couple minutes. Then slowly he said I'm scared. I feel suicidal. I have nothing to live for. I feel more suicidal now than I ever have. Since I was hospitalized two years ago he said that he quote needed to be in the hospital. He said for the first time in his life. He realized that he really needed help and that he needed to be in the hospital. He said he couldn't go anywhere but a hospital. I told him that I thought he oughta calls parents and talk to them about getting in a hospital. He said no he couldn't call home. He said No. He couldn't call home because his mom wouldn't believe him and she wouldn't let him go into the hospital. He added that he really needed to be in a hospital in away from his parents. He thought for a minute and asked if he could call his doctor. I told him we could. We walked over to the phone. He had a card in his wallet. For Dr Melvin CEVA NSEN. He gave me the number and I dialed it in. Charge it to the city credit card. Kevin asked if he could talk to his doctor privately and I agreed. I started to walk out of the room until Kevin told me he got the answering machine. He left a message on the answering machine at about four ten pm and said something to the effect of this is Kevin. I need to talk to you. I'll call you back in a little bit. Kevin and I talked for a little while and I told him that I thought he should leave a message with a number for the doctor to call. Kevin felt confident. His doctor would call during his next break between patients from four fifty pm to five pm so we left a second message at about four twenty pm while we were waiting. We discussed a number of the points. We discussed I again. Ask Kevin what he thought should happen to the person that did this to Lisa. He replied that the person should kill himself because he had nothing to live for. And if the person didn't kill himself then he should be killed. Kevin told me he really had nothing to live for and just needed to sit. He said on the bed and was silent for a while. He talked a little more about making friends and how hard it was. He said he had a deep pain inside. And that was so deep. He couldn't tell me he added that he wanted to tell me what it was but that he needed help and he couldn't say it he then looked at me and said he wasn't even sure what it was as five or five. Pm Dr Shave had not called. So I called Shaker. Pd and got detective. Clemma as he was leaving the station I asked him to go knock on the door. Dr Shave Anson's office two three three zero chagrin Boulevard Suite. One Oh five Dr Schloffmans and finally called about five fifteen. Kevin Answer the phone but asked if he could talk privately. I waited outside the door after a few minutes. Kevin came to the door. He told me the doctor Chad Benson could make arrangements to get him help in the hospital however Dr Shave. Hinson told him he had to call his parents. Something About Insurance Kevin the Nasty Pekar call his dad instead of his mom because his mom wouldn't believe him Kevin Tried but got no answer for his dad. Kevin hesitated and didn't want to call his mom. I told Kevin that I felt he knew what he wanted. And if he was strong enough I was sure his parents would support him. Kevin asked me if I would visit him and help him through. This and I promised I would. I again told him he really needed to call his mom because I couldn't stay with him forever and I couldn't leave him alone. He finally called his mom and again stepped outside the room. Kevin came to the door after minute and asked for a pen and paper after another minute. He returned to the door with tears in his eyes. He said he didn't know what to do that. His Mother didn't want him to talk to me and wanted him to call an attorney. He showed me the paper with the attorney's name and number on it. I told them the decision was his but suggested that if he wanted. His parents help that he should follow their advice. Given them call the attorney they talked for a couple minutes then. Kevin came outside. The Room told me that the attorney wanted to talk to me. The attorney asked me where Kevin was and I told him we were in room. Four twenty one of the Ramada Inn on Olatunji River road. The attorney also asked me not to ask Kevin Anymore questions. He then spoke to Kevin again. Would Kevin got off the phone? He told me he was to meet the attorney out front and that I was not even to walk him out Kevin with tears in his eyes. Ask If this meant. I couldn't visit him in the hospital and I simply told him that. I needed to make those arrangements with his parents and attorney. I then walked Kevin to the elevator. He gave me a hug as we waited for the elevator. He went down to the first floor. I went up to the fifth floor and prepared to drive back to Shaker Heights after the detectives were unable to force a confession from Kevin Young at Ohio State University. They returned to Shaker Heights more determined than ever that they had the right man. They needed a real expert to help them. Break Kevin. The next time they spoke enter renown psychologist Dr Murray Myron a professor at Syracuse University. He agrees to consult with them on the case but first he has some questions about Dan. Dreifort I understand that and indeed. That's a very powerful Alibi That the father indicates the Dan was in fact in his room and that they both heard the screams together. That's that's very powerful. There is some. I must say that we we had some difficulty still however with Dan subsequent behavior he after they go out to the edge of the property in and I'll go back into the home apparently satisfied that the source of the scream has left the area or whatever and they can't find anything unusual. Apparently Dan rea exits the house to find the bicycle. And then in fact without telling his parents Calls nine one one on his own to report what he believes to be now suspicious circumstances but then when the parents here the pruitt's outside on the lawn you know and they're distraught in here. All these police vehicles. The CRIME SCENE BEING ESTABLISHED UP. Dan goes to bed falls asleep while the parents are waiting for the plain clothes. Detective to come in and interview them. I found that I found that unusual. I'm in somewhat disconcerted but what we decided here was that Dick and I decided that well. That's not that's academic right. Because it's not Dan that we're going to be interrogating. It's Kevin and whether or not he's the guy or not. We want to give the four shot to use the best psychological coercion. We can. This episode is brought to you by hallmark cards. I recently gave my Buddy Morgan Card to let them know I appreciate them and met so much even cried a little bit. You'll need a special reason. Give it a try. See what a card can do to show how much you care visit hallmark dot com slash garage to shop cards for any occasion and use our Promo Code Garage to get twenty percents off your card. Purchase VISIT HALLMARK DOT COM SLASH GARAGE TODAY. 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"The NFL podcast isn't afraid you on twitter. Welcome to another edition of the around the NFL NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hans. I'm coming to you from a room. That's just overflowing with heroes mark. Sizzler Chris. Wesseling and Greg Rosenthal. What's up boys? Hey Hey Dan and joining us in studio for the first time we had this first and on the phone ones and we enjoyed it but now we got her in the house. I call her the First Lady of Sports Twitter about that her majesty time and welcome to the around the NFL podcast. Thank you done and live up to that designation. Decide his first lady music. That's what I asked. It doesn't really do much so majestic royal like T- settings. Yeah you know what lose first lady. Let's let's go with the Queen. I don't think they let her out of the house in this administration. How are you mean calf? I'm good I'm pumped. I have changed mine. Mind about WHO's GonNa win the Super Bowl literally every day. 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My family's actually listening to everything. I put out over the next two weeks because we're in a very competitive pick him anymore. It's been going. There is a plaque black in my family's house I'm talking family parents brothers and it's gone down to the wire basically whoever's right in the super bowl wins it. All of this. This year gets their name on the plaque. They have an advantage because they're going to know who I'll pick on my public profile. So they're watching everything. I do like hawks this cutthroat. I've had this issue with fantasy football. I my good friend Bob. He has told me outright. He knows who like my quote unquote quote sleeper Pixar. Who I like? Because of he's listening to our podcast. Well Greg and I worked for Rota world like I was running draft kit one year and all my high school buddies bought the draft. And I was like. I don't even want to do that. I mean is it not concerning that you are not dominating your family in this you are this is your career and this is your expertise expertise. You should just be devastating. It's hard though we I'm part of the ESPN expert picks page and you can see the records. My mother son. Mankind who I think is seventy four now has shredded. Every Trey Wingo Mike Golic destroy jumps by Sun. Mankind's a year after year for a year I could take if I get the super bowl right. I win all right happening. All right so I mean this here. Were excited her majesty. Forget about the first lady. You're the first lady. It really varies. Some I lay super plugged in super influential Helena. Roosevelt immediately got a lot of of course rock Obama's wife Michelle. She was yeah. The Barack Obama's started off. Ah The queen though charge all right I know these days. Yeah Queens Queen Either Weans struggling right now save for the news that you don't use. He was outside of the states. But it's there's some she's happening there who said I don't pay attention to news outside this. I did write a few seconds ago because it's true during correct all right here. We go coming up on today's show. Eli Manning retired. We're going to get to that. Obviously we've been building up to this moment. It's funny meaning. You're here for this show because this ally retires and what's next ex- conversation has been really a wes has been. He's been prime for this for years to take his shots at Eli in a big spike. I've taken I feel. Yeah like they've said it all but it's all building this internal turnover blows. We'll talk about ally and also since Eli it's the big talk about. You know the hall of fame. We'll talk about about players who are active right now. Who are already in the hall of fame in our minds and perhaps we will disagree? Hopefully we will 'cause that's fun if he has some time we'll do who Mellberg but yes. Let's start with the news. Update this whatever. Whatever quarterback lives for and it takes a snap back the raw undergraduate barrage right out of it still search deep down twenty four hours? I don't know how it got out of there. I I thought he was on the ground. And and then he came out of the pile and just Slavisa people get on Joe Buck for for the Randy Moss mooning call but the fact that when. NFL films put together a highlight package of the. Eli tyree past the helmet and buck doesn't even show up in do good job on that. H He treated it like it was like third and ten out just like a week. Four preseason game ally manning thing announced his retirement on Wednesday retiring after sixteen seasons. He's thirty nine years old The giants quarterback who was of course supplanted by Danny dimes. This year but was a rock for for many years is now heads into retirement and it makes sense Meena In fact as a New York I all my friends are giant spans. I was on a tax change just the day before this news broke. And we're talking about that. Allies GonNA retire probably soon. Because when you look at the landscape with all these older quarterbacks on the market and what allies allies been doing the last couple of years. It never made sense that he was going to find a place to start games or perhaps he didn't want to be a backup. So this all made sense but still it. It is the end of an era in New York. I would love nothing more to come in here and defy I. I think what you all know. I'm about to say about Eli Manning I should not be wh- down calls US football cools right. Yeah I would love to say you know what guys you can't tell the story of football without Eli Manning which by the way why why is he the only person who gets that benefit say that about anyone else other than Eli. There's a lot of guys you can't tell the story of football without Aaron Hernandez put them in the hall of fame or if you want to look at pat super we were both. I mean they don't want any of them without dont`a hightower that's a holiday thing. Greg is compared. Eli Manning to know first. Ten Sahal Hyphen reductionist could be just one thing. You consider about a candidate quite well the few want ally in the holly. It's either two cases. One one is longevity. which is I think? A lot of people throw out. Because there's just too many guys who would get in by that and then the other is the two super bowls in the story thing. That's just not about how I would define it. It just becomes an argument. About how do you define the hall of fame. I think in my case against him has always been and yeah. I've been making this case for probably eight or nine years. So this is how long he's been average He's just been averaged entire career. Average in completion percentage yards per attempt. He's actually really way. Below average in the law of the interception categories passer rating these average. He's just for the time he entered the league to the time he left the league. He was an average quarterback over or that span. I I still don't like that being the conversation though when he retired. I we've had this argument so many times that I think we're just tired of it like we've said everything that there is to say about. Eli Manning in the Hall of Famer Eli Manning in general that. I actually was annoyed almost yesterday that that's the conversation when a really great player who was a big part of the league in you know no matter whether he was a top five quarterback no he never was maybe in two two thousand eleven. I went through it once. I think I had him at a top five quarterback one year top ten quarterback only one other your. Yeah that's not the hall of fame but like immediately the second he retires. The entire conversation is like the start of the public hall of fame. Talk which is GONNA be. Never any people are so confident about what's going to happen you don't I know what's going to happen becoming. We were like you know he will be in. It's like you don't know that I think the manning name like this is not a new thought but just that we've talked about royalty and stuff that he's sort of this. NFL Family fixture that. The people voting for this. I think they're gonNa Push Eli Manning right in not maybe. CBS voters down. The conversation depends on who he's against. Though you're really does. Conversation will be never ending for five years then going in. I'm sorry I don't listen you. Everybody discounts counting stats and cory will get too caught up or only point at the two rings and the two superbowl. MVP's but I just think there's something that'd be so if he didn't win those super bowls he's he's not he's not going to have him. I get that but there's something to be said and it's always been feel overlooked both on this podcast aspect in general. Because Eli can be a target. I feel like on twitter that the giants drafted him or the chargers. Technically but the giants Brought him into the team in two thousand four. They put him in the lineup in around October that year and then they never had to think about the quarterback position again for the next ten eleven eleven twelve years and I know things didn't end very well but they should have been thinking about it so when you're when you're talking about right ten years okay I'm GonNa say ten years when you think about other teams about your Brown's Mark My jets so many other teams in the league that go through constant search a churn looking for a guy and you end up with a stop. Stopgap and a rookie. You stinks and then a stop Gat and then another rookie. And maybe you hit on something. Like the SEAHAWKS got Russell Wilson. They don't have to think about anything. Russell Wilson's a better player than the but he eli for ten twelve years. They put him in there. He did his job. He was not spectacular but he was steady. You never had to worry about him getting hurt because he never did. He's the most durable the player ever. You'd never had to worry about him saying stupid something stupid to the media. He always handled that very well. You never had to worry about him. Getting into like a behind the scenes drama with with a coach and exploding and him being at odds and using the media to get a point across and all that stuff he was a Walter Payton Man of the year guy he was a total title. Good Dude and in those playoff runs. Then you factor that in for me. He rose up in historic way. And then just beat. Anybody didn't beat the Jacksonville. We'll jaguars didn't beat a Pittsburgh. steelers heat the Patriots and he'd be Bill Bell Check and he'd beat Tom Brady. And if if that's not something that should be given added points knowing who the Patriots are and what they represent in this era of NFL football. I'm sorry I disagreed to just kind of view that uh-huh yeah beat the Patriots. No he beat the greatest team of all time the greatest quarterback in the greatest head coach. I think that means a lot. His team did right playing. Okay Ah in that Super Bowl. I don't think he would say he had the best game. Even the play he's known for is crazy play. That could never be replicated. The two twenty eleven run is what I remember most fondly. Va Man. I think people kind of forget that won the last game of the regular season that they played it was against the cowboys and then the three league games in the NFC playoffs and that Super Bowl he had a collection of some of the most improbable. Low percentage awesome throws goes for five weeks. Stretch that you'll ever see Joe flacco kind of had a somewhat similar run any add little moments like that the year after they won the Super Bowl two thousand eight. He was really good throughout the year but they didn't win the Super Bowl because if eli manning they want it because of their defense I mean they wanna because of Justin Tuck and he learned of it. It's equally reductive to me to say. They won because of the argue he was part of it took to get into the. I mean the kind of connected back to the HIGHTOWER. No one's out here making a case for hightower you kind of do you. You like to throw this one in. I is the single most important outside of Brady and Gronk like the Patriots. Don't have this run of Super Bulls without dont`a hightower. I think I don't think belongs in the hall of fame but you could every all of the cases were making for. Eli You could just as easily make for like twenty other other random playwright quarterback a case you've made for you. I think is the case. Why he's a great memorable? NFL figure. It's just that's different than in. Our weather also talked about about it forever his position he was not a top ten quarterback. I would say for every year but two of his career. There's no one in the hall of fame you can say they've also said forever. You're in West. You've quoted Vince Lombardi on this that the quarterback it just the most important for a position or a position where the spotlight as and that comes with way. More pressure To it then dot high tower where his position is. I just think what you I was able to do in that spot in those two years is something you can't take away from. I and and say oh he was carried to titles. Because I don't I just don't see it that way. I think you've you stated the case very well. I think it falls shy of the hall of fame. I think if you're a jets fan like Dan or you're the browns fan and you've seen nothing but Ship wrecked chaos at the quarterback position. That the the idea that you would draft someone who would play as Eli did before a PR stunt got him benched you know. Couple of years twelve years of sixteen starts and by the way we are stunned. Got Him benched. He got himself well. That's fine but I'm saying but also the disrespect I just giants fan and you draft draft Philip rivers and he. He did what he did. But you get Eli Manning out of it and you know. He's going to win two super bowls in essentially a total ironman at the position. He's a hall of fame to a lot of giants fans I get. I don't think he belongs to the meeting. Early either reading a story just reading up on allies career. I completely forgot the whole two thousand seventeen. Ben mcadoo where's Ben these days but Jacksonville Jaguars Ben mcadoo vall resurfaced. And his plan. When Eli was I admit that he was in the tank at this point in his career? Ben MAGNA's plan was to have. Eli Play the first half. Okay keep starting streak alive and then bring in Greg's Boy Geno Smith. He wanted to do the play. The haves thing I always say that started that Gino hat against the raiders underrated. He played pretty. Well we'll the Laura. dern ability thing is underrated like we cannot talk about that enough. 'cause you're Greg said he doesn't want to get all debate right right away so that that would be where I would focus on him because it's truly remarkable. I mean they asked us to do this. Daily show. ESPN daily check it out and at the end of the show will I do like a monologue. And they're saying well. What do you WANNA say about? You Lay Manning. I was like well. I kinda just WanNa talk about how durable he was in the game that to me. It's not the super bowls but it was the uh the NFC championship against the niners. I'll never forget that might be as best watching him. I mean every picture from that game is helmet is slightly skew because I think he was hit hit like five hundred times twenty nine dollars or something. I don't know if I've ever seen anything like that. So pretty remarkable all right. Well we'll have this conversation again again in the years when the All fame vote occurs. So let's stick a pin in this. Are we still going to be doing this for five years. I mean we were looking through. Here's a peek behind the curtain in our database to see if we had had this conversation with databases strong or whatever. YOU WANT TO SAY NO I. I looked in the little. Whatever you call the art nineteen th the idea that we have curtains strong? We don't research the have we had the WHO what current and players are hall of famers conversation before and it was like yes but in two thousand fourteen right like gas. You've been doing this. Show where where's the lead that we get for being durable monologue on ESPN specifically from the employer. Very little up all right mark. Did miss this show for what was it last week. You're I couldn't couldn't close. I had an issue that is not how I would describe. That is not how it describe it all right boomerang. IRR FOR MARK here. We go other news in the League. Gary Kubiak back in a chair the O.. C. Chair rap sheet reported Thursday. The Vikings will make Kubiak Kubiak the new. Oc He's spent the twenty nineteen season as the Vikings assistant head coach and offensive adviser and He got a lot of the credit for for the run scheme that he used as a head coach in Houston Denver. He's big guy so now Kevin Stefanski goes to Cleveland and I always felt like Gary was maybe looking over cavs shoulder the whole time west and now Kubiak sincere feels like a good match with the Kirk right yeah. I don't. I wonder how much this would change things. I guess he'll be actually calling the plays whereas last year it was more like he installed the offense and then Stefanski called the place. But Greg likes to say all the time Andy You read is the best offensive mind of his generation or the century and I think the guy who often lost in that conversation Gary Kubiak who's been highly successful everywhere. He's gone. Who basically you know? Mike Shanahan gets a ton of credit for Kyle Kyle spent more time in the NFL around Gary Kubiak than father other immigration. I mean that combination there could be Atkins defense key together the couple Cocka- bodies and cement didn't you. Maybe this is the time for forgot about this. It was teased before we came on that Kevin. Stansky scoop yeah. Well we you know. Some Brown's interest here yes disrobing. It's not disastrous news that you're about to break well so it's kind of brings it back to the family. We've been talking about our family members. Research interest or lack of interest in our careers So my husband Nick Does Not Watch. Football does not. It's not a sports guy at all all but one day he comes home and he's like he's like Kevin Stefanski see like I'm not he didn't put it away. Let me rephrase said it's Kevin's too fancy like a big deal and I said yeah he just pretty big deal and he's like what about Joe Judge. Is He also a big deal. I was like yeah. Yeah this is recently. He's he's like he's like. I know them both from high school. So whoa he's so excited. I got the scoop scoop of the century. Joe Judge Judge Saint Joe's Prep Philadelphia. Joe They're both quarterbacks and he said Joe judge chemist a fancy took his job Joe judge had to transfer out of well ain't Joe's prep because Stefanski was the better quarterback no idea how excited markets I go back and according to my husband the better dude okay. Great classmate good friend Nice Guy Excellent Calculus blue skies giving you all. The inside is an analytic. And I'm like this is kind of a fun story like he's quarterback transfer or whatever and I'm GonNa just double check no one's written this Adam schefter head at four days before my husband went skies. I was thinking you could have been your like your summer. Splash piece in time. When Stefanski stole judges and had the most inside of sorts after does great work? But you know what the one thing you still have to me. The the top you know how they teach in journalism school the inverted triangle to me the top headline or the top part of the story though is that one of these guys is a jerk. I didn't say that I just sent me. One is a lesser man than the warning to high school. According to my husband who also by the way interviewed Kevin Stefanski for the Saint. Joe's Prep Haukeland in is available. He tells me for any interviews to talk about the experience. Already the first interview of Stefanski he was very high on Kevin Brian to stick in the rest of the show off off. Because you know when things start to go well check out and just enjoy. That was a close cost us. If it was the fans get lost the job we would have lost mark would have been. I don't no need. I don't need any more negative type news. This is the opposite. Thank you Just recommend Kubiak cubes wasn't listen. He's supposed to retire because of his health like this is I mean the dude can't quip ball and I agree with you. He's been in mentally successful everywhere. He's gone his fingerprints reprints. All are all over the Shanahan. Run game every offense. He's touched is a dispassionate. Life worth living there was trying to survive. Show Louis Post Post Cancer. Of course I mean you have to go through all that when you suffer a big health scare what's worked. What makes it worth living? Well the thing thing I found weird last year at this time was Ian. rapoport would say that Kubiak didn't want the head coaching job because of his health because yeah the stress But the coordinator thing seemed fine. which is one of the more underrated John elway stakes? I think of the last few years you you love killing on your boy was he somehow. Kubiak cut out of the get out of the building. Last wanted that job. He wanted to have his whole the whole Kubiak a clip crew. He's got Clint Kubiak. He's got a couple of other Clinton with a K.. I think what is his name donalds. He's got the same assistance and they couldn't come to. You also did innocent and it's always laugh by the way according to Dan if you're wondering if we're chuckling instead it got who last year and now he's he's was we don't forget he also so had kyle Shanahan in the building and then he looked at Vance Joseph and went on for John. That's true well they're gonNA ask uh-huh oh this is your that is I just I like it because I feel like this whole year in Minnesota you never knew who was calling the shots not drive right tween cubes and Kevin. But also between Zimmer and then when they were like running the ball way too much early on everybody was questioning. WHO's really making these these decisions? I think that's a huge question. Marks Fancy is wait one of the best play callers in the. NFL is sitting next to you in meetings. Potentially doing all the working. You're getting hired for the head. Coaching Great Looking Man. Though another of a problem with the way he looks another family. Tie into the show. My brother Kevin Danger Hands us. It's good to have a prominent Kevin pop up on the scene because I feel like we've been in a slump like I'm a cabinet spot. Oh sure Patra Kevin Bacon. It has been around forever though. I mean a fresh Kevin on the scene Sarah Single. NFL Kevin James was getting a little stale. Do all right. Let's move on and speaking of Flour Matt Leflore. This was interesting. A couple of things Doug around the packers First of all Mike Patten He will remain the defensive coordinator Although La Flora Kennedy said he had to think about some things before making a decision he decides that the floor will return to the staff even after a very grisly Downfall for the Green Bay defense in the NFC title game. And then I just wanted to play a quote from Matt from his press conference on Wednesday that jumped out to me a little bit. I'm curious if you guys agree that some that I'm Still trying to figure out right now as we speak I'd I'd I mean I don't understand that because you're there you have an opportunity to go to plan a super bowl and for that to happen. It's extremely it's bothersome and we gotta look at ourselves. Everybody everybody I got to look inside myself and see. Why weren't our players playing with their hair on fire? I think every everybody in our organization Asian has to do that. I thought it was interesting to hear a coach. Talk about that and talk about his team's lack of passion fire when it's connected to the conference championship game. Sometimes you hear coach talk like this in week. Six after a game where team just has a no show but that was a little bit of a little bit of Red Flag Doc that he's admitting it and talking in the media team didn't show up for the NFC title game kind of sounded like as quarterback there you know some of those spicy quotes that you can. I mean he's right his right wrist reaction that he spoke on it publicly. Yes it's kind of isn't an on on some level when the team doesn't show up you could see it as a direct reflection of the head coach. He tried to say that I mean I think he was just recognizing the obvious that the defense in Aaron Rodgers but I would say that those defense has a hole was blown off the ball and was blown away and I think if you watch them you have after come to that conclusion to Smith brothers. You know did areas and Preston Smith. We talked about all year and Kenneth Clarke. He got railroaded. I mean they they begun. They got crushed but I read this. The BOB Mcginn weekly grades. That gives the packers which is always. Oh he goes on the medic and this one was like the from a crime scene. I mean in on these guys and Rogers he basically the entire defense rogers as having you know the worst games of their careers careers and the defense especially just kind of getting physically manhandled and mentally just out of it. I mean that's you guys because I I was just thinking through this as a they look ahead to. How do you stop this San Francisco offense from humiliating you with the run game? The way they did. How much of that would you put on? Effort execution broken tackles that Kinda things some of the secondary being out this this not showing up. And how much would you put on scheme and pet and not making adjustments not pudding some of his defensive players in the the right position to succeed. I felt like I saw both happening at the same time which is the very first lady esque? Answer think after reading about this specific game plan from the forty niners was. We're going to attack the Smith brothers in the running game right. So they're not pass rushing US basically basically we're going to go to the edges and take them out and it worked so I think when you're talking scheme that has to be a big credit to Kyle Shanahan there and I tend to credit him more than I blame. Aim Patent I think cal Shanahan there are were hearing now. We talked about it before the game. Cal Shanahan had a year plus to Scout Mike Patton and did a better the job of scouting. Mike Patton than Mike Patton didn't get worse for a year. I mean forget it. You're I mean it was a bit of a controversial relationship until they were. There was definitely not the cosy of Friendships there and I just I just give it to cal Shanahan for understanding how to attack pet nick cross two hundred yards on the ground four times this season so it's not out of their DNA. The niners to do they had and they had some the packers had some no-shows I mean for a for a team that only lost four games the four that they lost none of them were competitive. It of three words. Just blow out the most concerning thing for me is if you're a packers fan it shares a lot of connective tissue with the meltdowns. You saw with Don caper sitting up in the you both in his little hair flying around in the packers no showing an January game on defend. I put us on the coaching being one. Step ahead of the other team and then the fact that you've already gotten blown blown out by this team one time and maybe right. Yeah the still simile. They had to have the forty niners had to felt that they had the packers numbers and everything proved them right. Can you say that was the Cabernet. Was this last time they got ran on like that. And put it on Capers as well. I just think it's personnel to at the end of the day that I just didn't have good linebackers linebackers and you just can't beat on this. This is a real concern for me with Kansas City again. Go back and forth back and forth on this game. It's real hard. Stop This niners offense if you don't and have linebackers if you played that the floor Goodwin's for a non sports fan the reaction would be. Why is this person with a monotone talking about not plan? Your hair on fire comes from the person with the Monitor Spare what was it. Take about DOM capers. His hair little hair flying around. I mean that just I feel Dobbs. CBS Hair doesn't move. That may be true to cut aways to him looking completely befuddled in the booth tamp down. Well I think the whole thing that Dharma's it looked like it had perished fifteen years before and he had purchased. I don't mean to speak too much on it but yeah and other coaching news. The Jacksonville Jaguars are hiring former redskins head coach. Jay Gruden Fox an-and House. He is there exactly next offensive coordinator this quote from Doug Marrone who obviously does not see the media heading towards. I'll come on code. Dog is one one of the brightest offensive minds in football. And I'm pleased to welcome into the Jacksonville Jaguars. Now he didn't say this but he could say it would make sense and he is also a perfect choice as interim coach. When I'm fired on Halloween I will sandwich prop right here? Yeah Jay gruden is in in Doug marrone his out out by this time in two thousand and twenty two to grew twenty two so within the next two calendar years gruden his in as the head coach. Or you're not bold enough. Basically at some point Jaeger and we'll be the Jaguars head coach head coach this year before that this time next year gruden is in Maroon ten months from now right I still think it was a great move because their offense is poor. Picking on it wasn't Jay. GRUDEN is is underrated and I. I still believe he's a great play collar and has done a very good job almost everywhere. It's a good hiring Washington so I don't know you're going to get good shopping for for Doug marrone no. It's a terrible. I ever. Why because they need they need something they need something to fix the offense with in all serious and other Lippo Year ready made inside inside choice for coke but is on fire fighting or what so they win? Well that's true too. I like it for Menchu. I mean serves. Set aside the concerns about marrone for a minute assuming man jazz can be real bad luck next year but GRUDEN A west coast. I I yeah you're right. They go in a lot of different directions with corporate. But if they did is meant you I'm saying you know like a quick passing game little more play. Action Gardner seems like a great fit. What about Nick foles? What is going to happen? That's a interesting subplot. I don't think he is because of the money. And he's not a terrible terrible quarterback to have and maybe men's shoe as the starter like it. You just eat so much money to get rid of it. It doesn't make sense if you found a trade partner that takes off a little bit of the money but it's still. You're eating all this money to have him on your ass counterpoint. Can you tell the story of football without Nikko. No but he's also not Kerala. Famer heading to Canton twice. Oh yeah sorry. That's the Bar Doria football in all seriousness. That's a high bar if you do it. Twice Aces are west. I can't take you on your sandwich property because it was the first thing that came to my mind So if I were to I don't WanNa root against it and I also know I can't. It gets sandwiches by going with you so I already knew it was the first thing that came to your mind because I know you okay. All right real quick. Let's jump into the fish tank tank. The dolphins and their general manager are Chris greer. They fully expect Ryan Fitzpatrick to be back with the team next year. The thirty seven year old. who had a really nice season for the dolphins? Under very difficult circumstances Is is obviously a guy who works as a stopgap but the whole idea mean of the buildup and the tanking was to start over and start over at quarterback doesn't make sense to be paying Ryan Fitzpatrick pretty good money. When you're probably GONNA go get a quarterback in the first round the the thing I don't like about it it is that they're gonNA get a quarterback I the stent to US probably right leaving clubhouse seemingly fifth overall and get him there they might have to trade off the air? I said he expected four quarterbacks ago in the top fifteen so they'll get one. Oh my God Jacob easing it's going to happen Huskies fan so anyways anyways. I don't love the idea of fit. Speaking the veteran backup behind the rookie ready to pounce out play him at every turn. I know we think of him. You know he's a great guy. Good Mentor but I just. I don't know that kind of makes me nervous. I just feel like there's so many we have so many examples now of him coming in and out playing these young guys in spurts Chicago and get on the backup to Trubisky I. I don't want us back up. I don't WanNa see start over trubisky. I don't WanNa see Fitzpatrick. Also just is what will be his final season just sitting on the bench law. If it's if it's too to a might not be probably wouldn't be ready art the season and the contract making five the it's the opposite. The contract is a huge bonus. He's making eight million next year which is for a backup not bad. It's not I would love to see the guy who has the best quarterback in the AFC east last year and can start games for you. Yeah I wish there was was a fitzpatrick for every team in the league. I wish every team hit a fitzpatrick I just. I thought it was noteworthy. Just that he said that. Because you know Derek cars out here on Wednesday all upset with these quotes that. Why is everyone bringing up? You know that other quarterbacks might be coming here because I forget. What if there was something this week that people were connecting? James to the raiders. Like you would think and he went through Tom. Brady here's why because your coach made it very clear that there are evaluating. The quarterback position went out of his way to not promise you the job whereas in Miami I think they're basically promising it's fitzpatrick and a rookie. Like they're making it pretty. Do you think that sets up a nice transition. So you're ready to come in. Not Play fits comes in. They mess around and win a few games. You can evaluate some of the guys you know. You're Williams's whatever receiver. They Dr- you. Do you think that could be like a nice. Why not I think as much as coaches seem to dislike? Josh Rosen They seem to Love Ryan Fitzpatrick and from Coaching Coaching Staff Angle. There would be the perfect veteran to west point. Every team would like to have a Ryan Fitzpatrick in that quarterback. It also kind of says. They're out of the veteran quarterback market market. If they're being honest which is a little bit of information. That's what's happening in the news. Ricky Hollywood plug our lives show please. You guys were going to Miami. 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Connie Fox colleen wolf by the way these the super bowl forty Fifty four research notes out and Meena's competitor the ESPN so she doesn't get to look at. This should probably get your own pack but the city of Miami has its own chapter my mommy and I just want to share a couple of fun facts about in the city of now it'd be the natural titles. I go obviously go. It is the second people Turpin at coming back at Collins on her on her timeline. The second most populous city in Florida. The mayor is daily. Miami you have connections. The Miami with the laboratory basically lived in Miami for two years. It's Francis Juarez. He's as his third year. Of course Kansas X.. Suarez by the way what city in Florida. There's more population than Miami Miami. Famous Miami Miami ins include Stephen Ross. Well The rock pit hit Bowl Gloria Stefan. These are also owners of the dolphins in Riga inglesias Eva Mendez and a-rod Miami's so there you go all right get into it too often. We don't know I think he does some other people here. Don't think he does. And that's that's why sports are fun because you get to talk about these things but let's now get into players that are active in the NFL right now. Players that are in their careers ended tomorrow. Okay I have a list here. I think you guys have lists as well potentially and I'm GONNA go through. Some names will put it in categories and you know chime in with your own thoughts. Anybody I miss anyone you disagree with here to to me are absolute no brainers. Tom Brady drew brees. Jj Watt Adrian Peterson Aaron Donald. Larry Larry Fitzgerald anybody disagree that those guys are the career ends tomorrow there in five years. Anyway disagreements career ends tomorrow done their body of work is already complained. That's right okay. I would put some more on that list but yeah okay let me go to the next tier and then you guys tell me if they belong in the first year I put these guys in the county. There are no doubt as to me. But they're not the cinched that those other guys are Russell Wilson Yup Boy Matt Ryan Julio Jones Richard Sherman Bobby Wagner von Miller Earl Thomas and Justin Tucker the bobby whack a lot of names Tony Dungy Veneer ever forget. First of all. Aaron Rodgers should be in that first well royal right. Yeah that's a classic oversight. You might get some heat on Matt Ryan from some people. I think I loved the Matt Ryan. I do too. But he's not a no doubt to me and tailing career ended tomorrow. He's definitely not a no doubter. I assume that we're in the section. Now where they have to keep playing a little bit. He's saying if they think they're in and you've mentioned Ben Rothlisberger at this point oversight. But I'll put him in the tail end of no doubt to me. Rothlisberger would be in the in the total fight me zone sideways. Essentially he would be in. There's no way I mean Ben Rothlisberger. You're comparing him to Eli. I would say was a top five quarterback seven or eight times any lies been it twice. Saad Experiment Mahomes wins the Super Bowl this year MHM retires the next day. How could you in good like gems case for? Eli Over Pat Mahomes. Who was the best quarterback quarterback in football? Here's an example. I WanNa know what Patrick Mahomes is retiring to do. Because he's going to build houses somewhere for Nelson country. There's a hook to it just like I fell out of love with the game. I'm like you know sit on the couch and enjoy whatever you're doing with this. If he's got a hook. Look interesting to see hawks on. I thought were interesting. Earl Thomas Bobby Wagner. I'm counting Richard Sherman as a seahawk. Russell Wilson I think probably needs to. You need to play more. But he'll be he'll be. I would put Russell Wilson Russell. Sure whatever he's in the other three are back. He's saying undefeated voting session here defensive players. It's hard for earl. I mean safety's already have a hard time getting. I wonder when I made like a you know I did did a search on pro football reference for the most first team all pro since Oh three I just picked and Bobby Wagner was tied for first. That's what I was kind of going. I built built this list off all going into a couple years. He doesn't count as active anymore. I don't Richard Shelby. Is he definitely hall of Famer. So what he's been able to do the last couple couple years especially this year and being on pro again I would. I would like it if Matt Ryan makes it but I. I can't even even as a huge fan. I don't know about no doubt right now. Okay here's needs to play a little. I agree with Greg. He's I think he's going to get in eventually because his numbers by the time he retires or going to rank with anyone's in the history of the game name and a lot of people. Judge this stuff by numbers you know who told me that earl. Thomas was in no doubt for the hall of fame and this is timely for me. Terrell Davis did not mention Richard Sherman chairman to me. Oh he before the beef but I I think if you did the three seahawks defensive players against each other it would go earl first and and then wagner or Sherman early. Maybe I'm crazy like you're the seahawks fan went and what order is doesn't need to be in order. I think he's the more valuable dominant player player but the way we look at hall of fame the accolades. I think he'll have a harder time. Getting in you know Minna. There is an as a woman who has a super bowl. Forty forty eight forty eight tattoo. So you're as hard as they come. these guys are all in the similar age range. There is a possibility that they could all go in the same year. You're in canton for that right like you're there for the speeches of that happening emotional just thinking well processed longer than any any of them are Russell Russell. A Guy that can happen could happen. That would be a anybody. I mentioned Justin Tucker that just go under the radar as with him. I'm with you and Cortana. Hecker is probably headed to the hall of fame. I think Johnny Hackers the Best Punter in history. I liked what about Adam Viteri. You're not you're on the fence with him Yeah yeah put him in just a bit scattershot but I I I like that you put von Miller in that category and I would agree agree with you okay. Good here's the list now gets a little dicey. Indaba can sue Tyron Smith. Yeah I don't even know how he got in here. I'm taking Khalil Mack out. I don't know I put another stupid. He's he's on the not yet. That is on my net. Patrick Peterson Persson probably ends up. Getting in I think he's on them. Andrew Whitworth he'll be fascinating case for how powerful CFS. Because I would say no under any normal How they've done hall of fame in the past I think even that Andrew Whitworth is that that we're talking about right now bengals partially due to PF which is interesting. I don't think as a bad thing when you play wrangles. Your career doesn't matter to the rest of the League. So that's a problem right. Which I mean did you know he's on my borderline patchily underway on this list on this okay? Martin should be on that. That's what so I wouldn't. That's why I wouldn't when he said tyronn because okay hearten and Frederick are probably better to me might have better cases and and obviously Frederick the illness in spit. Smith's just been so banked Tyron Smith is still young he needs. You probably need a little resurgence since Marshall Janda the border Langa a little quicker. It's tough to talk. WHITTEN's also getting unit said win win. And Jason Peters or like on the ancient list but will hit in. But he'll probably get an a one more. Maybe Guy Greg your boy frank I I would put Frank Gordon I. I don't know but if we dismiss ally man who's counting stats and then we count frank counting stats like well. What are we doing her? Well first of all the counting stats running backs have declined over the year. So that makes Frank Frank Gore stats more impressive in the manning's less impressive I mean I also would say the last. The last few years of Gore have certainly helped a lot but he had a lot of years as a top five top six running. I don't know about that I think so i. If we're years would you say he was the club's the time love Frank Right. I like Frank bore. I would say first of all his second year. We had twenty two hundred yards right. People don't have computer granted I would say after. I know the numbers aren't there. The numbers like yards from scrimmage would probably put them more like eight nine ten but in terms of like the quality of his actual play in what general managers coaches would Wa. I think he was in but I asked You I. It's it's interesting player to make a case against I guess as well but I'm with you I mean this is where I mixed total hypocrite because I lobbied against Eli and I love Frank Ore and it is so you think you're it's the same case basically or very similar to the last few years of really helpful but like is it because he had five hundred six hundred yards so I think in south forgettable team gets credit for playing late in two or small he had he had odorous until he was thirty. Four he was the oldest guide to have over a thousand since the seventies so it's not like he was playing poorly all those years after his twenty one hundred eighty yard season where he goes fifteen fourteen fifteen thirteen thirteen fourteen. The the numbers aren't like astronomical. And those are yards from scrimmage. I'm talking about but I think in terms of the quality purse snap in. What coaches in GM's would they would have put them top? I get that five. I and I'll tell us it's not just about stuff like this but yards per attempt is last five seasons three point seven three point nine three point seven four point six and three hundred six so the last five years the two thousand six season his second in the League when he was like twenty. Three and He was third in rushing yards that year. It was one of the best running back scenes. I've ever seen it just was I. Think the same year Ladainian Tomlinson piece when you watch Gore that year are cynically actually some special. That was the last time you bring something out of Greg every time right. Here's a list. These are not yet and and Mark Mark. This is where you could jump in and help me out. You're saying that's I've had some omissions here. Let me know if I've missed any to this point. That should be in the first three years now three. I'm not sure I'm the first thing you buy alliens interesting one. That should be a hall of Famer. The last four years have been ever since he's Janse has a chance. I'd rather put Gino Atkins and myself. I might to Gino leading. What about Gina Smith where we smooth let me to see a little bit more? I mean did you see that coin. Toss Terrell suggs. I have him written down down. Yeah I think he's on that border line all right through also not yet I just this again cam nude. I don't even know if he's that close but this is going to be a big stretch. Ram Coming back but he has an MVP. He was a very special different important quarterback for most of this decade Mike Evans Khalil. Mack De'andre Hopkins Travis Kelsey Stefan Gilmore. And Sam Darnold. Anybody disagree with any of those Sam. darnold denied he could retire today. As you're mentioning Patrick mahomes situations. Can we get them to have a slightly average season. I sorta Kelsey is a good one. Yea Receivers you left out. Just Mike Evans is an interesting choice. I don't know if I would've gone there. I mean what about Juliet now. Now no Antonio around. Yeah that was. I think Noah Antonio Brown has a no doubter. And I know you'll get there. There'll be some conversation about this company and everything company Other guys how. He's affected his team which is fine the last year or two in league. I don't care. He's the the best wide receiver I I would say. He's the best wide receiver I've ever seen like a he. He would be my number my number one. I it depends what you like sort of but I I think at the very worst. He's in the mix of Mega Tron or Julio Jones. He's at that level Randy Moss like. That's that's a level that I mean. He blows Larry Fitzgerald out of the water. In terms of no Larry Fitzgerald as first team all be never did anything as great as Fitzgerald's playoff run. No he does does not blow him out of the. We don't really factor playoffs too tall famers in this room. I'd be accounted. They're both they're both no doubt counts and Larry Fitzgerald first entire career with better red zone weapon the speaker to compare it with no data. Can Tony around is significantly. That more. Dominant than Larry Fitzgerald View. And well that Greg has a recency biased thing that we can never get over everything that happened in the last year or two. Who is better than I already got? Patrick Mahomes as the greatest quarterback of all time then riddle me this because would you turn you against this guy but if you consider sitter his the records he shattered his first few years in the league. Oba Junior now. I know where we are with him. And they're certainly not a no doubt or I thought about it. The quickest like number. Yeah records. I'll put them in. Not Not yet. He he gives you oh good season the mix. They'll you mean he's in the middle of his career and I think the Brown thing is controversial at his peak in in terms of first team. All pros pros did there's very few receivers in the last third. I'll say this would be. You definitely can't tell the story of football now. You cannot thirty around and and it should be said Antonio Brown if you want to make the case to keep him out. Because he's been knucklehead news that issues off the field putting Terrell suggs in and either voters are some other ones explicitly told not to factor in any of. That's what they do. They seem like you Antonio Gates fired you would think Tonio Jio Games. He'll go like that. Don't forget any because we're going to get killed in twitter if we forget somebody's favorite. Helen say some hills does not made it yet. Oh He's just below Sam Darnold Gotcha looking at your list. During now by the end of the story we will be looking at a hall of fame quarterback. ooh I Harrison. Smith is a really good choice Harrison interesting borderline Cam Jordan too. But he's on you're not yet with these are looking at the bugle. Delays Campbell is an interesting. I saw him thought about him. Eric Weddell. I don't think you'RE GONNA end up in. The hall has played his last. I think he'll he'll get disgust. Disgust Eric Weddell. But if Yeah Rodney. Harrison's not in it it's tricky all right. There's so many of these like Micheal Thomas unless a major injury befalls him That guy's definitely on track. They're on their way but I put him in like Patrick Mahomes category right. Yeah you got this whole list of young guys Italy's interesting. Because Patrick Willis for the love we give him. He was eligible this year. He wasn't even in the finalists. Just because the voters do this whole waiting your turn thing. There's a pecking order like far away from waiting Sir and I think he will get in eventually but that's like he wasn't even on the short list right off the bat. which was surprised? Are you guys interested in a quick cliff's notes people don't even know cliff's notes are anymore but a quick look at what we were talking about in two thousand fourteen in the same exercise excite dug it up all right. These are the definite back then. Tom Brady peyton manning. Adrian Peterson. Drew Brees Greg at the time wrote. He's he's the only one that raised my eyebrows. You weren't in on them on him back bill bill bell check. I guess we mentioned coach. Their Troy Troy Powell Baalu. Big Big. Ben Larry Fits so Larry. We agreed with a no brainer in two thousand fourteen. Reggie Wayne which I was a little push back on Champ Bailey. Kids say and then guys who are very close matron. Jj Watt Aaron Rodgers Rivas Shady McCoy Shady McCoy. You fell off. He's not discussion. I think he is. I think is still Phil. He's GonNa have a hard time making it but there's a pretty strong argument that he was like the second best running back last decade. I completely forgot he was on the chiefs. I'd bill bill for over. She would too. I would get a conversation to. Would you put P. Caroline No. I don't know where the bar is coaches. I just haven't thought it is. It is tough to. But everyone's always hate on Pete Carroll. I just think he's Times would you. He put him over guys like Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren I. There's so many no but I would. I would argue. That more coaches should be put into the hall whom the fact that we the weight referred Jimmy Johnson. This long is absurd to me totally absurd all right. Let's Good Conversation Gus. Really Fun before we get out of here. Let's hit the mail L. Back. Let's do a few questions. I'm ready so good all right. What is from Eric Jensen? What is the current music of choice on the heroes is as playlist and will include a conscious? Well right now and I made this very clear on a private text to some of our closest friends this morning that I'm very into the nineteen ninety eight Madonna album album ray of light specifically the single the power of goodbye. That's what I'm all about good album I get in a you brought rap snacks. Well yeah so I'll do. I'll do a rapper Again shout out to my husband who is a producer a rapper that he produced. I is playing the slight concert in Miami this week channel trace also. He's an commercial. That's the name. His name's channel trace race. And if you've been watching the playoff games they've been doing these apple commercials where they do like slow motion sell fees. It's a song that they made the Lady's face that's channel trace race. That's my husband. Pretty set donald trace check it out residual every time that that commercial gets on. Let's just say Lenny's eaten. Well yes up for you greg. You like rap. I do you like a lot of other things. I've been listening a lot of high. I women lately which is like a country woman. High Music Women Band unless until out of men or women. Multiple women like us supergroup sort of copy of their highway men which was like country music. I love the Highwayman see there you go buy. Oh you did anything that you're spinning. I like to Have my favorite relaxant put on some jazz music and Cook lately the BUENAVISTA Social Club album has been like it's getting a lot of run can't go wrong mark. I don't have a playlist. I know I know that makes me absurd. I just I don't involve myself with it. We'll Brinson asks who is on the Twitter Council. This is good that we'll ask us because this came up recently the idea the during the playoffs officers too many people tweeting relentlessly about the same game and we need a council to decide. who gets the tweet in these high profile spots it's will is on the council? Meena I think is on the couch and by the way that Claybon but forget about now now that I'm thinking about got it. Forget about this first lady. Sportscenter is the President of sports twitter. Right here so of course the president is GonNa Be Majesty the President Maybe Dumol Adam Adam sense where I'm not really the president that I call myself that no okay but you are on the council you have to be because we trust your judgment appreciate has how many people are on this council. Hyper I think well. What do we have three right? Got Three there. I think three is the perfect number. Brinson Claybon Boiban diversity of views. That's what we're looking for and people that have Klay Bond's been preparing for this role almost every minute for years. He has Can't wait to see Brinson always good to see Princeton at the various tent pole events this from sing for the day. Now Back in Florida as we head to you will mark and Greg Reunited jogging buddies film it and put it to eighties. Montage music guests the For people who don't know During one of the owners meetings a few years back mark in Greg put on running shorts and sneakers and I I assume like a pullover over of some kind and went jogging together and bumped into Anderson Cooper. No Yeah we did. It was kind of totally surreal and striking to to be jogging down a path with Gregg part feeling normally then suddenly Anderson Cooper. You've made it ain't nothing like together. People have been jogging Argan together and for years. Have you ever had a dog in buddy. No neither is guys that never run. It's I had to second base for the knees started barking. Can you guys running together. It is I mean it's the whole thing was very it was in Orlando not in Miami Yeah I'm down I I. I'm definitely bringing some roaming close definitely bringing some running close. I'm going to ask you a football question. Okay from Alex. finis signs saw individual of them and they're dragging short shorts on the way back. We saw ballot check that was the more memorable sightings to me was. We saw Bill Belichick and Linda Holiday Holding Holding hands kind sweaty coming back from the tennis court said Linda TRIPP. It was definitely not Linda. Linda Holler forgot about so political on this come on trip. She wasn't a very good friend. WHO's rotten tomatoes? She was not a very good friend. I've been listening to slow-burn which is a good. Ah Good podcasts. About the Lewinsky's I'd recommend Alpine. Which team do you think is most likely to do with the niners of done and go from a losing record? The season do next extra super bowl. Not just get to the playoff. Go to the dance and it's very early stage. There's no draft and no free agency but just for fun. What was the steelers final record eight? I believe Not eligible count. Shoot shoot okay. He's got. We got the standings. What if the colts get quarterback? Philip Rivers I do we think they're going to move on with cults Jameis Winston. Let's fly Eilon. I'm going to answer one. Yeah thank you. Thanks Greg Lions because the Stafford looks so good for he went out but I hate the rest of that I would say I'm GONNA go alpinists. That linear they charging anything. Yeah but what about the Bengals with Joe Borough going fourteen to as they will. They don't in playoff games. I've lost faith in the chargers. Some weird stuff could happen with Miami. All right how about this from Big Hicks Aj. How how will the sizzler? GET REVENGE ON GREG FOR THE WIFE oiled up comments. That's a fair question. I mean why would I you know. What's what's this man's name or this person's name that big hit big hit A? Yeah I mean I would. I reveal my plans verbally on the show right now. When you plot revenge it must be a slow cooker fair and it will happen at the perfect time Erik? Sabo asks wonder if he's related to Chris Sabo Os when the reds jarring juxtaposition of names. There Eric and safe should the broncos take a QB this upcoming draft or. Have you already seen enough from drew. Lock Wes why I don't like the binary nature of the the question. I haven't seen enough in drew lock but I don't think that means should they should take like a first round quarterback this year they have other needs the binary nature of this squashing is for I haven't seen enough and do like. I don't think they should draft a quarterback so that's according to now that's gangsters gun Pat Shurmur. They it excited ricky. This one on one A.. T. You because you did a nice job. Rick Hollywood on Instagram you're very youth-oriented thanks. You're our connection to the geist and you did a Q.. And A. on instagram and did very well. Someone asked about the best super bowl snack of choice and I could not have agreed more with your answer. Plug Ruffalo Chicken Depp. Yes you've gotTa do you gotTa do. It's like Buffalo Wings better but it just got the cream cheese and and the shredded cheese on top in the hot sauce. No he did the tortilla chips in all man who wins who in Cincinnati we have skyline skyline dip which is similar skyline chili with cream cheese and chips. Could you do a Vegan option of Buffalo. I bet you could. I bet you could create a similar flavor. Yeah definitely can you buffalo sauce and like trunks Tofu or something a mediator. I am a meat eater. Chunks of tofu Chunks Hotel Motel. I don't eat more and rewarding don't need chunks couple more this one I'll open it up and you're you're big time in the podcast industries also also from Kieran Westbrook. have any of you ever had a terrible nightmare. Slash romantic dream involving other members of the pod. And did you tell them so. So I co host with my dog who I do great lenny and I have had nightmares where he's in danger or so. So yeah affirmative yeah. I've definitely had dreams about this crew. The three gentlemen in the room and they've been very disturbing and I decided not to share the romantic way no not at all but we were told by. HR to share our dreams with people. All that was. I've kept kept kept under wraps that wasn't a direct order not to discuss your dreams. That was. You should've thought that one getting us in trouble or that was Sabz question. You gotta put that one on Kieron Westbrook. That was the heck finally mark. Close out with you from Sir Awesome of sauce. Hey I I'm longtime this question is for mark if you could go back and tell your younger self to be a fan of any other franchise would you and for what team would you tell yourself to be a fan love. I'll hang up and take my answer on the Air Hashtag debate club. No I wouldn't change I. I know that seems absurd because it would be much more enjoyable. Had I'd naturally grown up in and giants Terry just the giants territory pick the giants. But I don't think I would even be sitting here. I rooted for some team that just wanted non stop. I think football is as a fan as about pain too and I. It's the only positive of being a fan of terrible team. It is character building. I feel you to be somewhat argument. Arise that's it's not occurred but that is the potential. Is there for that. That's what's happening in the mail. All right listen you came. You brought potato chips. He brought migos barbecue and with my honey with a Dabbagh ranch rap snacks from wave. This is some of the best gas station Mertz Rich. I've ever seen the Cardi B. Jerk Barbecue. You'RE GONNA save for Colleen Cheddar Barbecue which I didn't even know as a flavor but you take the Migos you like rap and that that was so nice of you to bring that and you also brought some sour Saad. gummy bears with Yuna freight. I'M GONNA take one of those because my boys will love that same here All right and how you played hurt in what you fought through some pain and played her a little under the weather and I appreciate your the Best Meena and this is what you need to know about me. She's the senior writer her. She's one of the best. Football writers there is So you've got to check out her stuff and also the great DAILY ESPN daily podcast. which which going? Well you feel good about it so far. Yeah we got into fun stuff lying Super Bowl Week. Yeah we've been we've my Friend Bill Barnwell on a lot talk about the games. We'll be doing stuff for Miami all week and then I do a straight kids. I do a stray football. podcast called them Unicom. Show featuring lenny that Greg has been a guest on actually. Yeah he has a hat. I dish how come only Gregoire probably for the same reasons. I haven't been on throwback I told you standing way that you have a you have a baby on the way. I'm I'm just kidding but I did want to ask me a question I saw. You're invited also into the Sloan sports conference person in high demand. There must be multiple times per week. Where you just think about going to the mountains and staying there for four months just leaving everyone in the dust for a while? No Yeah Yeah I'm like I'm the Kubiak sports podcasters. I can't stay away. I can't turn down and and longtime listener to this show not every week. I'll be be honest. Sometimes I fall behind but I'm cognizant of some of the inside jokes. Can you put that on like our box set release. Is it a little bit kind. Yeah I love this show some thank you and we love everything that you do. You're the best and please come visit us again on sometime soon. See you in football. I never thought I had a great outdoor Dan. I was perfectly good all right. Let's start the whole show over and get it right all right. Let's go is Dan signing off. Oh by the way. Stay tuned for after a little Easter Easter egg walking with giants back staring at the signing off our quiet storm the mailman meaning the old boss Ricardo and the glass till Tuesday. It's time time time you all know time you've been waiting for is time for why can't giants I'm your host. Chris Watkin Suba New York football team fan giants New Jersey more. Like don't even play in New York. The nobody nobody wants to associate any sport team with New Jersey. Even the nets moved to Brooklyn. They'd rather be associated and with that dentist thieves but that grass. We're here to talk about manning with Tirane some say the greatest greatest football player of all time I bow hall of Famer Beep. Tom Brady Beedon riches right off his cute little face makes Payton look like little off natty running around his little curly hair and his tiny little dress hanging out with the big wild man. And why you've done so much for me you've made me feel so good at least twice in my life. 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Fore Play With The Jonas Brothers

Fore Play

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Fore Play With The Jonas Brothers

"Would Look at Boston. We'll Tom and look at this stuff that they pose to some of. It's like such quite quite amusing stuff like that is what we need to get people. The gamut goal. Nice to be your boys. Congratulations on all that. You're doing as mediocre as it is at the LACI this year. I'm very much thinking so I don't give that people together. Thank you brag dump butter knife. My wed these newer younger him or Barstool. Sports Tigers had three back surgeries one fusion welcoming from Barstool sports rigs and Trent guys. Welcome to the show for at my Barstool Sports. It's a big show. I don't really know how to say that now. Look we've had a lot of moments here. We've had tiger woods knows who we are. He can recognize us. He's doubt this up. He's shadows chatted US up Jake become one of our buddies. These things are all outrageous. Justin Thomas Chats with us chirps US on twitter. He let us inside the roads for. Us Open Round. We could go on and on and on about some of the This can't be real moments. That US four clowns have found ourselves in that we never thought would ever happen. The Jonas brothers. They're on their show for about thirty minutes. We chat with the Jonas brothers. They are megastars. They're very cool guys yesterday. We just found ourselves from my personal vantage point. I found myself zoom call with six other people. Those people were you three Franken Trenin Lurch and then it was Nick Joe and Kevin Jonas and that is a very surprising situation to be in. All they wanted to do was pretty much just taught golf chop it up. Have a good time with us. Tell stories and that's exactly what happened. Megastars is putting it lightly. I think like you know we talk about Jake. Cohen was one of our best of all time. He's a country music superstar. He's got like one point. One one point two million dollars Nick Jonas coming in with a smooth thirty schmil on instagram. This is like another. He's there's a certain like echelon we talk about that with offers to write like you got your Phil Mickelson's got your you got your greats in all sports and then you have that higher tier and when you get to pop culture and and boy bands right like Jonas brothers took on a life of its own it was. It was the twenty first century version of the Beatles every time that they got out of a car. People are like all the kids and the girls are crying. Sobbing like legitimately sobbing to go. See these kids cygnus on the year. Three thousand that came out back in the early two absolute banger. I'm a huge job. Rose Fan so when this came to fruition I mean. I had my girlfriend's sitting on the side of the of the laptop just video recording the whole thing just thirty minutes on her phone and no audio in my ear. So she's sitting there watching every time. Nick or Joa Kevin Pop though. You almost hurt going like change the carpet over here. It's like it's crazy. I can't believe what these guys pull. And then they come on the show and just want to talk they wanNA THEY WANNA like escape all. This should have ninety eight city tours. And they're going all around the world singing songs and at one point Kevin or Joe is like you know. Always use the inside of the stadiums. We love talking about golf. Let's that golf is how he escaped. Let's do it. And that's fucking awesome man job rosie kidding me that was my that was my biggest takeaway. Was everything you guys are saying is right. These guys are megastars. They have in unbelievable amount of followers and fans and but my biggest takeaway was. I couldn't believe how normal and relaxed the whole conversation was it. Will it smooth? It went very smoothly. Everything was very chill. May seem like like super normal guys. There was really yeah it was. It was incredible. It was it was fun. It was within thirty seconds. I think sort of Disarming and like a relief of like okay. I don't have to be nervous talking to these guys. They're just chill and we want to talk off. saw we're not gonNA. We're not going to kind of distract or deter too far from it. We're GonNa hit you with the Jonas brothers. I have to say this is not the first time that Jonas brothers have been on a barstool show and worked with Barsha personalities Fran and Ria who run chicks in the office A crush the realm. They're huge Jonas brothers fans and I believe it was October. Ninth Two Thousand Nineteen. It was their hundred episode last fall With the Jonas Brothers on they did a thirty minute conversation. So if this is not enough Jonas brothers for you now be sure to go and check that out. It's chicks in the office. Podcast is everywhere. Fan and rear awesome. They're not just our CO workers. There are friends and they absolutely crush it with them before This is obviously a little different. This is these guys just talking golf. 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Well that's like we said that's what we do in a in a kind of a clownish manner all the time so you guys are probably going to get along pretty well with us Let's start though. New Single believe Friday was released new music video. That just came out. Talk a little bit about the single. The new saw this new song is it's a good time us in Carol. G teamed up with her. It's gotta a Latin flair to but it's called accidents. It's basically the whole concept. Basically said kissed me like your XS in the room So it's sort of Having a better time with the new love and trying to make the old jealous and overall we felt like the right time given all the things that are happening the world to try to make people smile a little bit bring him some happiness even if it is in their homes listen to song and the reactions been crazy. Spend a lot on. I mean you guys did it again. It's another bang or so people have been check it out you know. Oh yeah get in there and check it out so I wanted to ask you talked about it a little bit pre show. I mean you guys got a lot going on your the. Jonas brothers were just three clowns. Who taught golf talk a little bit about like how this happened? Kevin? You've got the new APP Caribou. Joe You've got the new show cup of Joe Nick. You've got the finale of the voice. It's actually tonight Tuesday when we're recording. You've got the new singles. He has got a ton going on. How you end up on this show talking golfing your. You're coming on tour with your new Heitmann. A yeah we got. We got a bunch of fun. Things that we're doing. I think why wide spun to talk to you guys because our our lives we get to travel the world for living and it's one of the best jobs we could ask. We wish for and but in art in our off time in the way we were like the bond as brothers and his bandmates is just trying to do something for ourselves. And that's going to play golf and Usually it can be it can start competitive than a few drinks cores lights and the next thing you know. It's it's pretty sloppy but we're having a blast and so they can only make sense that we were able to hop on the phone and skype and zoom talk and enjoy this wonderful life that we get to live and play and hang out so talk about talk about this toward life. I mean you guys trying to play golf every day or you John. How do you get out on courses? I mean you guys are mega famous. Do you plan around at all. We We love playing golf so much more so obnoxious about our obsession out that we literally talked to our our team. We're like can we please build in like Hub cities that will will fly in and out of the shows where we know there's great courses in the city's so on this last tour it was like ninety something We started in Florida and A neighbor way up the east coast and West and then started back then and we legitimately scheduled are days around when when we were playing golf. What courses we were playing his last hit some really great spots That I hadn't played get which I was really pumped about. It's an escape to write for like you guys have this long tour. You hit ninety cities in like golf especially for US guys who work nine to five jobs or anyone sitting in a cube like that's your thing that you want to go out and do you picture that green grass you picture. The nature sounds and with your buddies and Drinking Beers and sharpen and getting into the banter and for you guys must be even more of a release of just you know like the stress in an of of a tour especially like in the middle of all those shows and stuff getting out there and I mean that's awesome that we can share that that similarity completed it totally same thing. 'cause you at the venue pretty much all we see is the inside a dressing her right all for the most part of the afternoon to the show that night so getting to be able to spend time. I think that's really how we as brothers as well when we broke up and other things. It's Kinda the one place. We really all reconnected. On is was the golf course which was really cool. The we spent as much time as we could playing as well as we could knicks. Probably the most put together Golfer. Out of all of us. That was going to be of our next question. Who's WHO's the worst disagreement there and listen you guys say this is why I like. Singer is like this golf hierarchy right. It's just like we're all we all of the game. We can like talk shit about it in just like you know whatever I I will say. I don't cheat whereas Kevin Cheats so early better and Joe has had no idea what he's talking about J. were up in. The Woods isn't level. There's times we're like it's like oh it's it's in the rough and inside. I saw you hit your tee shot and it's literally in the bunkers. No it's it's in the rough and you're like you moved it. I saw on your but were there to have fun. We're not there but someone someone actually gave me the best advice about Golf that I've ever got. Which was you're not good enough to be this mad. And so when he gave me that that advice I was like you know what none of it matters. Yes I'M GONNA take my ball out of the bunker and put it back onto. Who who who are we to say we should have hit that ball to eighty five right down the middle and like we aren't supposed to be in the woods it's like. I'm just suck golf. Stop Getting mad at yourself. I like taking. It's once I did that and I had no more issue's about cheating I was like yeah. I'm GonNa do this totally feeding. Yes background Augusta. We're in a pretty devastating. Not Aaron Spirit. We last the last couple of years every either Saturday or and Sunday or Sunday Since Twenty Sixteen Masters. I've I've Gone Joe. Join me for twenty seventeen on the And sort of like a lot of people talk about like Coachella ride weakened they look forward to obviously for golf fans and lovers like masters like our Coachella in a way. And obviously what's happening? The world is is horrible. And it's it's unfortunate to see all all it's going on but I think our biggest bombers for canceled or postponed bends was was obstinate masters. We have a we literally have a text. Group called Master Support Group not alone then. I made a mistake my first year. The masters which I think people don't this is little secret if if listeners out there have yet to go or if they're planning on going in the future a big mistake with young go day one or I got I went I think like even on the second or third day went like middle of the day all right. It seems like a good time to go. You go over. Just nothing's there. You might be lucky with the coast or but that's about it if you're going to the store merchandise goes fast drinks drinks since yeah anyway so you guys mentioned you know have a couple of beers out there. I got a buddy who like he won't play off with me unless we have like a twenty four pack and shotgun birdies like how. Wow what are you guys rounds? What are they start like? Do they always in the same way as to drink when they play? What's it like out there? The tour the tour kind of led to just a consistent intake of alcohol but It was kind of we. We when we are in Scottsdale It was they have these insane Buddy Mary so kind of start with that. With like mixing a protein shake because we get up and go right away And then I probably whole what four three it. It's it's beer thirty especially on a par three that you expected to play really well because you about the night before you get yes. That's six or seven. That's when you start really getting after it But we adopted actually on my Bachelor Party. We played golf with all our buddies and we did this game which my friend taught me actually played in his tournament called. The drunken mutational is part three tournament. Basically unit teammate have to drink certain number beers to get strokes taken off score simple. And you can't drink more beers and you had holes in front of you because obviously we want to be responsible guts during Above all else. I'll just say best game restaurant I've ever had ever play free thinking not thinking about things go. Yeah because any bad stroke. Punish myself by drinking a refreshing courts light and it was all good. I have like a buddies golf trip and we implemented on Mulligan's so it was like shit. Shot you just you shotgun and you're back you're just you know what that's A. That's a fantastic rule on that. I'm going to add into the mix here and with Kevin. He's GonNa Definitely Win Common. Unable to play the show later we learn the same thing. You gotTA limit it. You gotta add regulations or people yeah structure you know right. Ashby struggling around the golf in drinking. That's what are we doing right so neck and Kevin while you guys were in Miami. I think it was like last. November story emerged about bullets whizzing by or something while you guys were playing golf. What happened with that? Yeah honestly I know like what we're supposed to say about this. We never been asked about it which I was kind of blown away by No pundits we were in Florida and basically we're on were on the back nine seventeenth green of course and it's knee. Kevin our drummer jackets. You know one of our great friends enjoyed McGraw. Who's our buddy was the opening act mature. And we're all we all hit decent tee shots on par three and sort of like an island right now the the. Greens like an island. It decent shots and Jordan's is like close to the water but it's still kind of on the rough or whatever and we start walking over and we hear And we know what that sound is. I mean we all like stopping What the fuck. So we take off running and and we find some his big tree we hide behind it and you know they're I guess their investigation that went down. I'd never really got bottom. Went Down and you know there was talk. Maybe it was kid final pellet gun at like a bird's but they weren't any birds around so also same glad we were safe and it was all a bomb waiting to defend around honestly. Yeah Yoga you're crazy will turn of events you know. I don't know if a pellet gun makes that I was not when you can actually feel it. You know what I mean like we. We all stopped in our tracks. That was a very different thing. But you know you say careful to like we right. We just heard it if it was a pellet gun who knows just working on the way we're clearing crazy who you guys played with before that. You're like legitimately nervous to play. I play with Jordan's peace twice. You know just just go. And that wasn't a pro am right. Yeah that was at the Sony. Pro-am was pretty cool. I mean he's it was interesting. He Super Chill the whole round. Really Really Nice. Guy were kind of from a similar area in Texas we've got Texas Roseanne New Jersey routes from the snow areas. We bonded on that. And then at a certain point on it was just like our guys. We're about five six respects. Women turn up the heat when I guess please Mr Speaks and then he just started actually playing. It was awesome as far as the people have been nervous to play with Played with Aaron Rodgers Couple of times came buddy of mine after that in Joe's and we were in a group with Wayne Gretzky which was pretty awesome And you know. I've figured out this really interesting Gulf Rule. Gretzky introduced me to. It's called when you Gretzky Putz. Basically like if he left something within like a club length of holds. I just pick it up to Gretzky so safe to say. He takes a very generous. But you your well allow it yeah. What's your comfort level playing in front of crowds? Does that make you? I mean you guys are Megastar Lemay I did. I did a program at the in Texas Dallas and I got up to the first one like the huge board right there with all the leaderboard right on the left. Just crank the driver and straight into the leaderboard. Half the numbers fellow off right. This is how we're GonNa have the day's going all right but I got that one on once you get that out of your way right. It can't get like it doesn't matter now right so it was still fun but was just like Oh man. There's a different that nervousness that I shot golf with. There's people around. I was so nervous when time I was playing in the Ryder Cup Pro-am matchup that. We're doing a couple years ago and my teammate was Michael Phelps which was awesome and Super Nice Guy and really good athlete. Obviously Naturally a pretty good Golfer. So we're at the we're like the third or fourth parent to go and You we're at the driving range and and so in my head so nervous about what we're about to do and letting like the USA down reputation with like one of our most decorated gold medalist ever and they be most decorated gold medals. And I start hitting my pitching wedge to try and warm up to work up to my driver and something happens. I get so my head that I can literally cannot hit the ball. Like it's every shots Shank everything and he saw when he comes over and he's like listen. Buddy is like you need to calm down deep breath even more embarrassed that this did he. Did he stand over you and talk to you like this? But he he is worth advice. Helped and we got up and we We actually didn't win our matchup But we help the team win. That's what matters. Yeah that's you know if you want to do anymore namedrop nick go for it. We got we got. We Got Grad Scheme Joan. Hi played recently and cost cutting we. I think we actually burn a hole in golf car from cigars. I got a good cody bellinger holding a fire hydrant next to the golf cart. Because there's just hydrate wow I love the back and forth guys obviously like one of my favorite things on the golf course is this is should talking and trying to get into someone's head and like when you're in a match coming down the Fifteenth Sixteenth Seventeenth. Just it's just mental warfare. Like what can you do to get under this guy's skin and you guys being brothers like do you guys all know what ticks each other off and if so like what is that thing that or do you not? WanNa give it away. Maybe it's in your back pocket like you say something on TV neck or or Kevin and be like I noticed witness on the woods if I say this her any noise at all while Knicks like taking his fling like like for some reason. I nine Joe just likes to blast music immediately when Nick starts to swing like he has his his bluetooth with us every time. And it's it's completely intentional. It's there's no way around it. I usually arrive with neck because like just Nikki. The music is just not happening. So Joe's going and then he'll just pull up on the golf cart and just crank it right as next like walking to the whole and you can just see nick just like this is my personal hell. Every but it's without fail every time I mean you guys like Dicker. Oh do we. Oh Yeah Yeah Nick and Kevin did. They cannot sure golf cart. Like it's rule that they're just if they have to share golf card is just GonNa be bad for for everyone this is no one's GonNa Selves. It's going to be bad news. Nixon Be Matic Evan. Because he's GonNa think he's cheating and Kennedy Nick Nick. Nick will give Kevin like advice that he didn't ask for about his swings. Tallboy eighteen holes. All simply someone's Ends up just eating very long launch after nine. I'M GONNA bail out and you guys finish up here. Go my brother's like my best golf buddy growing up one time right in a Birdie on some whole which never happens to have the whole and he to win the whole and he'd took my ball out of the hole and threw it into the water and I just threw absolute fit but it rattled gauge and I lost the match. Obviously so brothers. I mean we've won matches together and then we also just know how to rattle. Yeah but if you have to rally around each other for something. That's the cool part like when someone's having like the game like in you know they're like in the zone it's interesting how everyone like really slows down and like okay. What can we do to support our friend right now because we want them to have this moment you know team watching the pitcher to throw a perfect game just like like no one walks to. Joe Actually turns off his music. Like it's a whole thing. You know I just play the final. Do you guys. Do you guys consume a lot of golf? You Watch a lot of pro golf and are we mentioned the masters but you guys pretty in tune. You have some of your favorite guys. Yeah I mean obviously huge Tiger Fan Grow going up watching golf. It's just like that's Kinda the hero. It's the guy and to to in their last year to watch him sort of return and win was so spectacular on honestly know. There's a whole thing with like the the rain delay. We'd get there early and so the whole it was like my routine. A little bit was often. It was okay. I've got a little hungover as well and then to see that happen with so special than because you know. I you know also watched him play now like in Spencer. Times Jordan is just an amazing guy in an amazing Golfer And then I love you know lefty just love the spirit cavs obviously Huge gaps and then now brooks really like enjoying watching his swing. I'd like to like pretend believe that. Maybe we have like a similar like approach to the game But I'm I'm nowhere even near that universe but I could model my swing. I guess I would say after anybody right. Now be when you when you play with speed. I mean we've been behind speed in in practice rounds with them at tournaments and he's always mutter and he's talking he's with Griller and their camera cormick and they're always talking swing The does he do that the whole row when you play with him as he just liked talking to his ball talking to coach talking to you as he like. Chirpin you about your game I was. He is super relaxed We played Our group was with some of the bosses at Sony so it would have been inappropriate for them to win. I guess their tournament like an asshole move a little bit so he understood that in had like keep a little distance on the leaderboard. But then occasionally he would do something in obviously. He's like finesse. Kind of master and there will be moments where just watching subtle adjustments things he did and just thinking to yourself or myself. I will never in my entire life like every single hour of every day to golf. Be that good and squarely humbling and a pretty incredible. So we've got actually. This just was kind of made official yesterday. But we've got a big match against Kevin Kisner coming up thirty sixth-ranked player in the world. Yeah yet what ten thousand on the line for that now so yeah. He threw ten grand of his own money in and said he'll write that check for charity. Are Fans got a match? I think we're up already to thirty or forty grand plan of a four-man scramble against his. I think we're going to win. The Internet does not what if we were. How many strokes is he giving you guys? Is You for her? Straight up. Plan ON SCRAMBLE. Pinehurst number two seventy six hundred yards from the tips. Yeah you're GONNA kind. What kind of equipment? You guys work with get juiced or when that's the first question. That's not a good sign for us. From what I what I need. They haven't invented yet. So we're not there yet Leche guys I'm not saying that I don't believe you can win because you know anything can happen. Ball seeing the greatest game ever played. I'm usually my favorite movie. That's frankly one of mine as well. Yeah I can't believe we've gotten this far and haven't talked about frank's facial hair. I don't know if you guys want to comment on that at all but he's just he's been trying this new thing and I think it's going okay. But I like it. I didn't I didn't know you guys are also nickelback but that was pretty cool nickel back on this on this podcast. We'll say co workers actually messaged me and was like. Hey Frankie I dunno few like no but like this. Is the Jonas Brothers? So you should probably shave that mustache. Because you look number. One creepy and unapproachable. So we don't really feel like making them feel uncomfortable in this. Podcast rolled with it. What it does pirate right like. Oh I see little Jack Sparrow. Okay there so if we play I just have to ask a question though so when the twelve year old did beat you. Was it hard for your game or was it like like humbling? Was it just fine? So do you Kevin. That's a good question I will say I can't. I can't tweet anything now. I can't tweet anything without everyone just being like. Yeah but you lost your twelve year old. So it's yeah. Hey little humbling. I'm sure Tiger would've you at like seven so it's fine. Thank you so my like no one on. Earth is rooting harder for twelve year. Old To become the best golfer of all time than maybe the confidence boost he needed. That was nice of you to let him win that one. Yeah Yeah it was. It was weird showing up. Like you're the bad guy and you're trying to take down and get serious about taking down a twelve year old on the golf course and well be becomes the next Greatest Golfer. Then you should take all the credit risk thirty years later and say. I did that. You'll be on the green at A. You'll be on the green given the jacket you know I mean not right now. It feels like people were fired shots and we might have to do a four versus the. Jonas brothers more men three men scramble and see what happened where in. I'm down anytime anywhere. Who Do we think wins that scramble best ball out of the three or four guys finger like we should get to draft somebody end on not not a professional advocate? As long as they're drunk can we get a professional golfer? How good or bad are you guys? Or HOW DRUNK? They our two cats. I think I know who we'd have to draft Joe. 'cause there this this. This is a golf story that has to be told that never has been but Joe And I were on the same trip where we played with. Cody our buddy. Shay Mooney of Dan Shea was with him yes and it was right before the Grammy Awards last year. Forgotten and basically. There's this one green. That's nearly impossible to hit. And that's the fun of it is part three. It's just like a tabletop right in sort of like slope like this. The Bet was you know against Shea who he and his bandmate. Dan were both nominated that year and US we were nominated. Is that if you know. One of US Mayor Joe hits the Green. You have to thank Joe or in your Grammy Awards speech And then vice versa. For them if he hit we'd have to do if we won so to grammy night. After Joe has hit. The green successfully shea gets up and in his grammy awards. Acceptance Speech says. I have to think Jones. The rule was first general. First Foremost Jim like the first person he thanked. His wife had anything to do with his music. Or Yeah rear is just like I think Joe Jonas and everyone's like did he think we'd have to first and foremost have Shay Mooney as our force says you know. They'll be granted just the payback. It's funny too because he's actually gonNA come on the show I actually. I was talking to him recently. And he's like. I'm a huge Golfer. Would love to come on the show. So that's definitely fourth. I mean we were all in definitely done. Ask Him about this story. I can't wait to hear his side of it and when when he comes on a couple weeks I cannot wait. I just don't know curious if he told his bandmate before of have to do this. Bet He's looking at them like what what is going. This is our moment. What are you talking about Joe? Jonas came before God. And that's nothing more sacred than golf and beers. I love that well. I think we've got ourselves a match. I mean I think if I'm allowed to talk after Kevin Berry me. I think that I think we have ourselves a match. What's the wage of them like? What's you know we should make? It should be something that would be kind of embarrassing to a degree for either party. Yeah it should be. If one of us. You Know Windsor. Grammy something about speech got. So what could the wager bay? Oh man we got time. We should ask the fans we should ask the listeners fans. Okay what they think. The wages should be for each party here. People get creative. But we've got. We've got ourselves another match. Hopefully we're coming off. A huge win against is have you guys have been playing at all not during sadly now. I've got a net gun hidden into but other than that was about it. I've been doing this thing where you walk around the house like working out a kink in my slang that obviously i. I don't know what I'm doing right so my wife just like from the corner of the room. Look at the the Shaker head so disappointed just but you know working on his action again. Yeah get the Hickson Bolt. Yup Art Fellas will look. We'll leave it up to the fans we'll try to come up with a good fair wager. Something embarrassing seems to be the theme and you guys should be working on your games. I will be working on our game. You're going to be able to see how we do in a four man scrambles. You'RE GONNA have a pretty good scouting report on Tuesday true. That's that's super helpful Again you guys you guys got the new single acts you the new music video. You're very very busy. You Got APPs. You got new shows the voices tonight. When this comes out on Thursday people can go back rewatch at checkout all your stuff. But they're the Jonas brothers you know who they are and we're going to take him down in a golf match which is very exciting. Things are happiness is super superfund. Thank you for coming. Thanks talk if we appreciate the course. Y'All look forward to all right boys. That was the Jones brothers It went well. I think right after the show the we kind of interview ends. And then you're kind of still in the zoom chat and we all were like Whoa. That went well. I go man close like it was. It was a close that put us. All in the bag burst seats related. Is that real? Because this was fake. Even thinking that the Jones brothers are coming onto this podcast and then the clothes was the most outrageous fantasy close of all time so I mean the whole thing was perfect. Like let's just go play a golf match on the trash and smack. I mean that you WanNa talk about getting into a golf match with the job rose. I mean alert. The servers on video is just. I'll just come bus like I'm a huge video. I love checking the views and stuff like you want to talk about views. The job rose put asses in the seats. There's no other way. There's no other way to describe them. they are they have it. They have the it factor to three good looking. Do they can sing the Shit Outta songs? They can incredible music. I mean every song they released now a banger like x. The X. Y. And all that is just I mean I. I've been listening to it all day. So they're they're they're they're awesome and then also like you were saying before the before we just tossed them like like. Yeah they are these megastars but they are like when you talk to them for after five minutes. They're just three brothers from New Jersey. Who HAPPENED TO MAKE BIG? But like when they're in their own rooms quarantining there on a separate houses like they're just three brothers that like go out and golfing talk shit to each other. Which is crazy to me. I don't expect them to have like real personalities and like real life situations and stuff like arguing golf course they play music one guy cheat like that's like that's hilarious to me that they're actually human beings because you you don't think about that that aspect of it you just see the guy inside the stadium and then walking from the limousine into the hotel with people screaming around M M J documentary made me open my eyes that as well like shit like he's actually sitting in his fucking hotel room eating grapes in on the phone like being like. I just WanNa go to sleep now like I don't want like not not. Mj flying from the fuck and foul line on their poster. It's like MD sitting down on so tell cat so it's really cool to get that inside. Look I mean. They're the most down to earth guys ever. It's true it's like they are just regular people the fact that like. Joe Loves the play music so he's just like throwing the speaker on the key box to have his brother's screw up or whatever. The case is calling his other cabinet cheater for for like ball in the raw forever. The cases it's just fun to see that different side because you see the professional side but then you just hear them on the golf course like acting as any other kind of like fun. Lobbying idiots would know so it's just it's always cool to see people who you wouldn't ever see really in relatable situations in relatable situations like we talk about with Dj a simple thing like during the little skinny thing at seminole were Dj just Marx's ball with his T- like there were so many elements to that that made it relatable. We talked about like he just wasn't fucking ready. Just haven't gone through bag and pulled out a beaumont and then but he's won a major he's been in the mix it many majors. Ryder Cups. He's fucking Dustin Johnson. He thinks Gretzky like all those things and then we talk about the Jonas brothers and like you said like brank. They're dodging girls throwing themselves out him while they're just trying to go from the fuck in hotel to their to their SUV and yet at the same time. They're on the golf course. Like one guy just can't handle music is back. Swing like the other guy. That's just such a relatable normal thing and getting thirty minutes of that with these guys was It was really really cool. I'm going to be. I think we'll be more nervous playing them in a match playing like Kisner in Amac. No I think because they're like I like there. We're all doing something different. It's not like we're going like if I was going to the Jonas brothers like Soundcheck and they'll hop on the drums and play. Play the song with us. I bet well now I'm doing like your world and if I fuck up like more like we're entering Kisner zero than this match which makes me a little bit more nervous. You're like it's his world. He's showing up with do we. He's getting on his net jet like he's ready to whatever the wheels up he's getting ready to fuck in place in a golf match and he's a professional golfer with the job. Rose if we go in like go to Scottsdale wherever we go play golf national them like it's just a buddy strip at that point like you know Kevin could hit could make nine and just like walk off the whole like I'm. I'm not going to be intimidated by their golf game. So I think that will like really relieve my stress in that aspect. I'm starting to get nervous about because I was sitting up at night at last night. Sitting up in bed being like man. We're going to step up to some teas like we have to hit the ball. Two hundred nine hundred yards. I know I'm GonNa sling a mess or like top one. And it's going to be a demoralized like Disney match. This is like an athletic event. Like I feel like I'm playing high school baseball game like we have to compete and we have to win. I like whenever I play golf. It doesn't matter if I shoot ninety nine one hundred and three who gives a fuck. It's still me I don't care I just I just go back in the car and go home. This is like this is a competitive team event. I haven't been a part of a team event in a long long time I know. I'm certain Gulfstream. Starting to have the the Gulfstreams right Campbell. The club back and I know Mentally Ono. We're less than a week out now when this episode drops. I'm walking round my apartment with golf clubs like Oh yeah. This is how it's going to be great. I'm going to be great and then I fall asleep and it's a house horse so no I know what you're saying that's we're walking into his arena and that's scary very scary however go back. Frankie because tree show yesterday Frankie's got on a new shirt with paint stains or whatever kind of hip shirt and then the back of your room. Now is different because you put in drumsticks over your left-hand shoulder so going to maybe go against you and say like the nerves factor is being will be pretty on par. I do going into different. Arenas but you're you're star struck. I think by the Jonas brothers or what transpired earlier on the show than like I've ever seen Kisner but maybe that's not true because maybe I just missed that I. I'm a huge starstruck guy. I don't act like because people are really human beings. I'm like oh I'm just like that because I'm just not used to it. People expect us to be used to it. Remember one everyone was like. Oh I just sucking Tiger Woods is Dick like well like man. I'm just like a twenty six year old. That was working at a pizzeria. Four years ago right when I get to meet like the Jonas brothers. When like my cousin? Like bridget and Jamie were flying around the country. Finding out what hotel they were in so they can like stay outside and like and like deliver the pizza and Shit like I like to me. That's like surreal. I'm never going to get you sick. I think once they get used to that then I just become you know an ESPN REPORTER. That just like you know turns on the job. Hello Alot Michael. We just watched the dance. You know what I mean like. It's stupid like if I met Michael Jordan holy parking. It's Michael Jordan and just to go back real quick when we were talking about those moments where like the people are real and that you can't believe like DJ putting the The the marker down with t when we all watched the twenty four seven of Tiger and Phil match when when Tiger couldn't find a range finder. And he's Oh it's in my Ryder Cup bag. I always reference that when I'm on the course and like I can't find my range. I'm like me and tiger woods both like forgotten rangefinding all like. How is that possible? He owns golf. He is golf when he thinks Calvin so he should have rangers like he should have everything you need in the game of golf flowing out of his body right like a million cheese or just like pouring out of his fingertips like golf balls and the fact that he didn't have his reign trainer that day and had to look at the sprinkler. Heads is one of the funniest things I think I've ever witnessed entire life. So it's those little moments that you're like. Oh yeah they actually not. Everything's as easy for them. More like they have to do a real shit. It is the bones has like a quote where for fill his sole job was the thing about what could feel even potentially need in today's round and that like is his job so after twenty thirty years. Whatever like you were probably so condition just to forget all that stuff notes for DJ. Just my brothers job in overtime. Bean Academy it's I know he could need like Nutri grain bar on my six. You know whatever the case is like. That's just. I must do that. I must do that. I must do them and get ten percent winning. Yeah it's Look the whole thing. The whole thing is is unexpected. I don't think it's anything that any of US three four years ago would we would have laughed at the thought of being in these situations dip and you are right there like playing with the. Jonas brothers and watching them hit the same kind of shots we hit I think immediately takes everything down a notch however there is an element of if we do make a video of us playing a golf match against the jobs Put it onto the youtube machine. It will get millions and millions of views added millions of people that are not familiar with us being like exposed to how bad we can be golf. And that's you know heads that's kind of exposing makes you vulnerable I think we're GONNA dominate them right like we're thinking about winning against Kizer we have to think about just murdering the Jonas brothers right like not really scrambled scramble. Like we're playing one plays a lot. Yeah seems like those are just better at stuff we would play one ball against the Jonesboro. This as well right they would play one ball. We would play ball. Is that how it would work? Yeah scramble scrambled clarify that though Lurch. Oh because won't sorry. Kisner is just plain own ball so he doesn't have any help like if we played four pros Kisner. Dj Rory O. K. level we'd be so. I'm just saying that can his prime tiger and his you know Bobby Jones comes out of the fucking negotiating by the way. We do know the way that podcast ended. We need to come up with an incredible like like embarrassing loss. Bet because like if if Shay Mooney from Dan. Shea is going up there for his grammy speech saying. Thank you to Joe Jonas. Because he didn't hit close to the pen like we need to come up with something. Real really really embarrassing. Like I don't know what it could be. But obviously they wanted to put up the fans because we couldn't think of it on the spot It's gotta be real good but like yeah I'm I I don't know what it could possibly be. The problem is this. The problem is like it's hard to get on equal playing ground. Because we could. We could come up with really embarrassing. Should they had to do? That'd be great for? They could have to put a line in a fucking next album. That's like when we lost a Ford play or whatever the fuck could be like. What could we do? That's even why I have to start. We have to start every podcast with like You know we want to suck the Jones brothers. What are we going to say? You have to move your I back to. How fucking horrible. Like you can never shave. You have to keep that that facial the rest of your life and never wear had again and I have to wear a t shirt like I have to take my shirt off when I like off or something like I can never wear sunscreen again. Magic Mike. We would talk me like that was just getting my head. Big Time like real big time. Yeah like would ruin. It is hard to get even equal. It's like we had to wear like Jonas brothers merged for a year straight or something like that like if they like. Yeah like in one of their concerts. They have to wear a four play off a Barstool golf shirt right like like get up on stage at a massive arena and be wearing a barstool shirt like our golf shirt on the stage and then if we lose we have to wear job rose merge like in in every single one of our pockets for like two months like like just constant job stuff which. I actually think it's a win because I'm just getting boatloads of of Merch from the job as which is probably fire. They probably fire merch. Yeah that's true but it would be like if every every video also playing kids we're like doing podcast with hydro wherever the phone and then we're on the radio and it's just wearing. Jogos don't like that at all. I think that's pretty good. 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So it's just you know basketball that you play with your buddies. The back nine is modified alternate-shot pretty close to true alternate-shot With Phil and Tom Brady and peyton manning and Tiger Woods. I'm excited we mentioned as well that That just Thomas is going to be on the of course. Commentary along with Manda Bali onus. We've had of them on the show and then Charles Barkley in Trevor. Immelman will be doing kind of in the booth wherever you want to call it. We just had driver Roman on the show like a week and a half ago. He's awesome So there's a lot of good parts to this Palm I was thinking like. I don't really know what to expect out of Tom. Brady and Peyton Manning's games because this is a huge stage. This is the day before Memorial Day. It's a global pandemic. Everybody's been inside for months. We haven't had many live. Sports almost no live sports at all. You've got peyton. Manning was a six point four handicap index and Tom Brady. Who's an eight point? One Handicap Index all the sudden. Teeing it up with to the best players d two best players of the last twenty thirty years in the world of Golf. I don't know what to expect from their games. But you've gotTA think they're gonNA hit some horrible shots. Yeah I mean I. I think they're mrs as bad as art so like we like. We know how bad are. Mrs. And it's terrible. Put you in the worst place ever so like. I think because of that miss. I'm just so excited for the conversation from Phil and Tiger back to Pagan Tom of like no. You're going like potentially not going for that. You'll be interesting to see based on their tone in how they talk to the the one another of like how invested they are in the match and how they want to win based on what they say though. It's not like no. No no you have to cover water just like go for the three woods that's GONNA cover to forty. It's like no no take pitching wedge layup and like. I'll get us with intensity so just do that and it will be there under super excited for that. Like I think plane alternate-shot is going to be so exciting to their invested in what the other person is doing not just like working in asylum like they usually do so. I mean I. I can't wait I also can't wait to watch medalists and I think I think it'll be great theater. Medalist look sweethearts really hard too much. I mean just from what people talked about it or just little tidbits air. But I I'll probably do of course overview before We sat down and actually while prep work from you. Know exactly rule stuff. Looks like Metalitz needs a barstool travel show so people can see all the all the holes from teebox green so something like that little plug would watch something like that before the matchmaking Shit. Let's let's see what's going on now. Thank you for play Justin Thomas Sending. He'll be great on the commentary. I'm excited for something like that. He's pretty ruthless especially on twitter on instagram. He he rose people all the time so I expect nothing less from him. When he's of standing there he plays medalist sees a member of their ways with tiger. All the time So having him he's pretty close with the whole crew. I know he's played Brady. I'm sure he's played with. Manning obviously knows Phil Really Wellens played Hamilton so him having kind of that relationship with these guys already doing the encores ease whatever the fourth ranked player in the world. We said the other day. Bless you Frankie. Hope that Wang out a bigger deal than you're getting sick you're trying to keep it is you're going to sneeze. I got pollen all over the place around here. It's the trains are falling about outside like in the back yard trying to catch some rays a little bit. I got you know our pools filled with all these the treat pool. Yeah Pool how can we wait above grounder or Ingraham above ground alley? Horrific you know I was going to be like no way that you have a pool. That would have been something. No we have an above ground. Pool vary Long Island suburban. Get A walk up the little the four steps like we own need steps against this thing where you can just lift yourself over and just go in life. We get very dramatic and walk up the steps downtown this tax every time. Three steps But yeah it's it's a long island and and the Midwest are more similar than than you think with with an above ground pool and the suburbs. I think we're closer than you think. Yeah I think we are in some aspects and then other aspects we couldn't be any further apart. You WanNa highlight those dollars more on like there's like there's no. I mean I guess if you go out to like Suffolk County you can get like wineries and some farmland and stuff but like there's nothing compared to like what the cornfields are in. Iowa like the CAPI. No if you drive fifteen minutes in either direction from where I'm from it's just as far as the I can say you gotta go on our out. You gotta go hours out east to to try and get any sort of land. I mean there's no land in Nassau County it's insane. Everything is is accounted for every little piece it's crazy. It's crazy chockablock. It is like flying over it or something like that in Ajay of K. Or all the experiences that I've had out long island like there is not an inch of land. That's not accounted for someone else like not my cup all on top each other. So it's like you think about something like corona virus in like. Obviously it's spreading around here a lot because like you just. There's nowhere to go man like kind of my house. There's no way to get driveways like next to the peoples driveway next to my house like even if I get into my car. I'm like six feet away from if they into their car at the same time. It's like we're like right here. It's like crazy but it's also like you have your backyard. You have your Front Yard. You still have your own little area. Which is good. It's not like in Queens. Something ever see this all the really skinny high houses and they're just right next to each other. You literally have nothing that's insane. I can't up with that like those old school videos of like old school queens and the Bronx all the all. The people sitting on their porch plants. The ball and chip. That's way too much for me. Way Too much from me. Plan stickball Joe. Jt `bout jt is the perfect person to be the encore comment there because like him and tiger always muck it up and he's like he gives it back tiger a lot when we were at the US Open at Pebble beach he was like I was. I mean I think it's another one of situations where we think. Jt and he's what like twenty six all these age like and you think of him as like this incredible fucking Golfer and one of the best in the world so but then like you see him interacting with Tiger Woods. And that's like a weird thing because you're you're almost think of him to be. I want a year guys like. Oh Yeah your mind is. You can't talk tire would like that. He likes smacks him on the Ash and says like Oh you're not allowing the right way and shit like it's crazy like the president kees definitely GonNa give it back and forth. Yeah I mean at the President's Cup. They shouted magic shouting Tiger Woods. Saying I love me some me and then getting adapt up like massive. Hug after gots. If you can do that you're on a level that is unfathomable to ask. I think you know I feel even on This past week on Kim member where was espn some interviews? He did this past week. Where he He said like we kind of clamped up last time. That won't happen again. You know when he was kind of he was referring US referring to the first match to vegas thing where everybody's triggered about how he entire talk much they just kinda played golf and it was a lot of Valentine and boring. So Phil has clearly shown that they're aware that it wasn't the best thing ever last time so you would think now that they've had that now they've had the skins game at seminal that we got to watch last week and then they're adding. Tom Brady Payton and they've got filling tiger that this should be a pretty well oiled pretty damn good product that we get on Sunday and they've got jt. They've got immelman they've got so. I'm I'm confident. We did say we're to like kind of Tampa expectations in terms of the the banter. And everybody Kinda overhypes that but overall I think it's again going to be A really sweet product. I hope we get like some intense moments down the stretch and I'm excited three. Pm on Sunday. Let's go. What are you going on behind you right now? Those marshmallows in that base. Guess again come on. He's those look like awful. All falls with apples around. Okay why why so like? It's a little like why. Why would they be golf? Balls and Mike Nevada's around. Why were there marshmallows? I don't know it's something to eat. I don't know at marshmallows and apples. The class got fire around here. Something for my marshmallows. Man is gone for three months now. I think everything around him is pretty golf related. I mean when's the last long haul thirty marshmallows the last time you saw golf balls surrounded by apple's vase that makes it look like it's like a food display. I've seen galls innovates before like days vase. I've I've done Baba's I save us. His fourth in this same conversation that question because at once. I get asked. I can't think of what I normally say like. I'd have to say normal conversation and that would be my answer. I don't Hero Year of as guy for sure you'll say vas you're not you're not you're not a Guy. What do you feel like or something and then like how like? Sometimes you're so high and mighty with your language it's like it's such a flipflop it's just so perfectly you transmit of mas going up by now. You never heard vase to. You'll left home. I left city and people were like look all these vases Walking travelogue whose house in his suit and all. The butlers are walking in with brand new flowers from outside. He's throw them in the vases. No absolutely not. Why are there? Galls innovates trying to really go for the golf condo thing. Okay you I. Can you use them? What kind of those Provia all or something? That Kinda Shit Com top-flight Rixon are the articles Here we go. We're GONNA find out. Take a bite of that but not by that batch. Nano you ready. I don't know if that's real that alone you all. There's little bounced fake. But that's not a very good apple test. I'll tell you I I I will say I thought it was going to be like dink. And it was just bad and didn't help anybody it. They're fake rebuildable. Sir Okay. I thought if I dropped in a different landing point like maybe a corner would get but anyway and I didn't put the golf balls came with a Condo If you've been dealing with acne redness dark spots or wrinkles or just other weird stuff on your face like Frankie Finding Treatment. That works can be complicated. You need skin-care that actually performs but getting started can be overwhelming thankfully. There's a solution. Roman makes it convenient to get customized prescription skin care? That really performs US grab your phone or computer complete a free online consultation and you'll hear back from a US license physician within twenty four hours. If appropriate a doctor will prescribe a custom blended treatment based on your skin type and priorities. You'll receive your custom. Skincare treatment with free free again. 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Were already up over thirty three thousand dollars. Kisner FOUNDATION DOT COM is. How you do it. Tuesday is going to be a huge day. We've got Kisner here. Gene off around ten thirty. Am on Tuesday do is coming his. I think bringing a couple of buddies then afterwards. We're GONNA play the cradle We'll probably GONNA do some double or nothing. Maybe have to solve tie or whatever it is. I think we're GONNA have team foreplay team. Kisner going be do. He's GonNa grab the clubs and play With kids and I think his buddy who's coming up and then we're GONNA have team Pinehurst which is a couple of guys That work here Pinehurst. That have become my buddies who I play with a few different times along with Kelly Mitchum. Who's like their short game wizard? Who created the putting block that I was using yesterday the now I've got nine million inquiries about where you get the putting block But I think we're going to have three different teams play the cradle outdoor Tuesday is going to be long day. Reminder KISNER FOUNDATION DOT COM. Go there donate help. The 'cause we're trying to get up to about fifty thousand dollars And then another little piece of headlines the. Usda announced that they are canceling qualifying for all remaining events that means that the US Open which again is called the US. Open is not really open. It's going to be all exemptions that's it. It's a fully exempt field so it really begs the question. How do you determine a fully exempt field? Who Do you pick the play? Who Do you pick not the play? It isn't September not in June. So there's a little bit less sunlight so I think they're going to have a smaller field anyways And then they've canceled a bunch of tournaments the only four. They're now going on. Are the open at winged foot The US women's open the US amador and the US women's enter those are the only usgs ornaments that are going on. They've canceled all the other ones Yeah no qualifying. Fully exempt people are going to be disappointed by that but also it's like look at the times like it's not like it's not a forever thing it's it'll be back hopefully next year like I get that people are GonNa be disappointed but you can look at the full picture and be like well next time around. We'll get them because this time around we're all. Yeah what's Kisner thirty sixth-ranked player in the world just you put thirty six people in the US Open and as long as tiger and those. I don't give a fuck. That's fine right. The thirty six people top thirty six in the world t off at winged foot in September. You GimMe Tiger. You Gimme. Jt Rory Rahm out there losing his fucking mind on those Alastair Meka or on the Tilly screens you'll hands. Redid him a couple years ago there absolutely wild they're like Augusta's Greens that crazy roth. The massacre at wing for I think Jeff was five-over-par last time there was. Us Open there and he won that tournament. I will re I think seven overs wanted wing foot before you just give me his big names you off fucking wing in September. That's all I need. Yeah I mean I think it will be. I mean thirty six fifty whatever the number is like however they decided it's going to be an awesome golf tournament and it's going to be like sorry. Phil like it was like it was a mask for the last time and I can't wait to see it again. It's GonNa be like knowing this area that condition of that off course is going to be pristine and beautiful that time of year. I think to So I can't wait and yeah I'm sorry but like you know I'm sorry for everything else that's going on in the world to that's like transpired from Frankie's business to everything else that's dealt with this everybody's used dealing with the virus in one way or another so that's just that's GonNa be what it does in the sense. Yeah and I mean I think they're still going to have close to full tank. They're gonNA have a hundred. Plus you know people that are going to be in this. And they're gonNA come up with their own exemption system to do it and it'll be it'll be great but it's like. I don't think anybody who's really getting exempt as likely to win this thing at ring foot. How many what's the over? Under a number of times they show Phil Mickelson collapsing and making double on the seventy second hole to lose the two thousand six years so one. I don't know if the numbers go that high. It's going to be a lot all you gotta think he with. His new like social media presence is going to try to get ahead of it right. He's got a he's GONNA put out some wacky video a week before of him. Like you know reliving the whole thing in a funny way about his. He's got to do something because otherwise it's going to be a full week of him just getting roasted it. Open our every light on Sunday if the like. It's a tight race for the win. They're gonNA show that on repeat to get viewers to continue to watch because you have to watch every second to see when that blow is because it's on the horizon for anybody like it can happen to hit. Phil can happen to anybody so it is going to be. I mean fifty. So that's the update with the All right it's from the Gallery Time. A quick reminder so from the or you can submit your questions. Your concerns your problems. Do you have a debate on your little Group chat there with your buddies and frank. He's always getting into it with his buddies. 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Let's start with Kyle. Kyle tells a quick little story. It's basically is this an albatross that counts or not. I par-five said my buddy tells me I got an albatross the other day After everyone's graduating him one of US asked You know what the whole situation was. The guy goes on to tell them as I whole Hit A bad. I drive. Took a breakfast ball. Hit it down the middle and ended up holding the second shot on this fire. Five for two. When everyone's like well I mean correct. I ball The driving range was closed so there was no way to warm up and most of the year. Almost everybody plays breakfast balls in this situation at this place. So the question. Is this foreplay count. This is a legitimate albatross. Yup Yup do too. I do too unless like unless it was like a Mulligan and he could pick either I that he wanted to like give it was designated breakfast ball. He it's like okay. One that hits a good one. Can he just playing the next ball? That's an Albatross. That's correct because everyone knows when you take a breakfast ball. The everyone on the tee boxes all in agreement that whatever happens from here on out is just what happens right. We all agreed that you hit the first on your ticket or slow. Just got out of the car when we're just forget that one happened. You can't then go back in time and get mad or like or or pinpoint someone down be like. Hey you're not allowed to have an albatross there because you had a good result even though we all agreed on this don t box but that's okay right like that happens all the time. You may feel bad or whatever. But it's like everyone agreed. Just because I had now albatross or I had a really good drive on my second one and ended up making a Birdie like that's just a result that happened but you agreed before. I took my first swing a little trickier to me. If you're like if it's your career low like if you took a breakfast ball and shot or seventy three. Would you still count that as seventy three? Yeah because it's like you're agreeing to it something that like. That's what you did it. Could've you could've hit the ball out of bounds. Six are the worship people like. It's the same thing if it's good or if it's bad it's all the same it's also it's also a little bit of like the Butterfly Effect. You don't everything changes at that point of you say well. If I didn't have the Broncos ball for all you know I coulda gone shot sixty eight but maybe I make double on the first hole. But then I don't make you know so you don't really know and I think breakfast is so ingrained in what we do that. I think if there is no warm. There's no full range session. Everybody agrees early in the morning. We all got here were laid as usual were hung over. The lady took a little extra time to make our breakfast sandwich. Then my coffee. I had rigs runs at off late breakfast ball. Who gives a shit? We're all here to have a good time. Then once that second balls in play. That's your ball. And you hold the next shot for do Psych Albatross City agree to fully Graham Matt says. Would you rather play Augusta? But have to skip eleven twelve and thirteen so Adrian corner or just play Pine Valley play. Tell you have to? I don't think that tough. Imagine talking about to someone after you played Augusta and they ask you like how ammen corner was it as magical as you've been dreaming about since you were a child and then you're like I didn't get. I skip those because I did hypothetical golf podcasts. But it's it's similar to the whole thing. Where if you have a story to it raises cradle hole in. What like if you had to say well. I got a story about that. Then it's not. It's not as enjoyable as it could have been and we're acting like you're like a row so I'm pond valley. Yeah playing Pine Valley but I also liked the aspect of telling people like listen. There's this thing that happened to this podcast. The Jonas Brothers on and I I was able to play Augusta. I wasn't allowed to play eleven. Twelve thirteen like. They just wouldn't let me do it But you just have to agree with me that that's the right choice that you know. That's it because he's still playing August. That's only reason. I think it's tough right. You're not you are but you also aren't fifteen holes at Augusta national. Play five out. I know I I don't know. I think it's probably Augusta still But like that's how big of a difference. I think there is to me between Augusta and achieving anything else in golf. Now if you got to tell the real story that'd be great but if if if the reason that you didn't get to play Amen Corner is like something that's not because you you listen to a hypothetical off. Jones put under construction. You had to go to the bathroom a little bathroom break and you just miss those three holes something then. No I wouldn't do that over. Pine Valley but if it does come with a you to explain no actually I listen to this show. Then I got an email from Fred Ridley. That invited me or A. An Owl brought a fucking envelope from Augusta that vital to play Augusta just said I couldn't play. Amen Corner thank you. I would rather do that over. I just think hose. The question is this. What if I put the question is is you guys? Get to play fifteen holes at Augusta national or any other golf course in the world. Which choosing without knowing do I get to pick mine fifteen holes? No you don't know it. Hey come on like. We're GONNA play fifteen at Augusta national today. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Bring you around the golf course and you'll get the you'll get to play it but member takes you out. You don't know right. I don't know but you're just saying it's random so like it's not under the covers. It's not like definitely ten or eleven through twelve or out that you end up not playing eleven twelve and thirteen but like going into it. Someone gave you the option like. Hey you wanNA play fifteen holes at Augusta at the end of the day like you skipped over Amen Corner but like you went into the not knowing that you going to play it and you ended up not playing. I don't think I don't think you walk away with that as a bad experience at like you just fuck you still finish on. Eighteen started on one pretty fucking sick. Yeah I think you're pretty upset afterwards career goals but like I didn't get to play the main event we talk about you. Think that members the biggest sicko in the world like hey I only have time for fifteen and then you walked from attempt green to the fourteenth teebox. You think the guy that you're playing with is the biggest lunatic a world. I also think a fight breaks out like why are why did we go from ten green to fourteen t like I don't understand? Why are you like this? We'RE GONNA go ahead over here. We're going to make a right real quick well. Well there's like the heavens right straight ahead. Do we WANNA do want WanNa go see what that's about or what or don't worry about the on. Tv You get it. That's the other thing going forward every time you. You're watching the masters on TV. Maybe you're watching it with some buddies and you. They all know that you would play the. Maybe they don't know the whole story and they're like man. How'd you do on twelve? We skipped it. We will ride like what the fuck you talking about. Like walking past seventeen not today. Let's just go to eighteen right. That looks like a dinky little. I'M NOT GONNA play Alan Eighteen. Yeah easily suck the shit out of that water bottle didn't you? Can you hear? I hope you can hear more visual. I've never seen anyone take such an aggressive swig water in my life. I've been pound Waterman Glenn Balls. Ask what he sucks. The beer out of editor look discussed. I tried to run the mile yesterday. You what I tried to run a mile yesterday. What do you mean tried? Alert the authorities. You started. Did you give them your route so that just in case you died on the as soon as I started. The only way I can escape is my body. Couldn't believe it was completely blindsided by the way I described as somebody on. Twitter was a movie when a plane starts to free fall and all of the cockpit they searching. Radin the alarms going up. That's the way I would describe my running experience like my body was completely unprepared for. It is your sirens and clanging going around inside. Your body was doing everything it could to alert your brain. This is a serious problem right. At first it was probably amid. Were running away from something. And then as soon as it realized we were just running for for leisure it was like. This is the stupidest for the last time you think you ran a mile. High School Football Buddy. It's been all night yesterday. It sounds like I haven't ran a mile since the eleventh grade. That's the other side. Did you accomplish the Mile I did? I walked a good portion of it but I did a stand on the hips. Look it up like we do. Walk it we the head let those lungs wasn't social distancing. I think people would have put their hand on my back. Are you okay son? It was bad what was the. What was the weather like What was it yesterday? I guess like low sixties running weather. I gotTA get out. Yeah I figure if I'm going to be outside of been trying to go for walks I thought. Hey let's let's kick this up a notch and that was a mistake. Remember when you tried the stairs? Try to run the stairs in my apartment building. It's just hard working out is incredibly difficult when you're out of shape. Yeah it's tough on all right boys. Well this was a big show. It was just fun. We just we had the Jones brothers on this. Show crazy we do the. Hey you know it's fucking crazy. This world are now I I I went so I didn't take any because like I still don't know Pixel scared like I went golfing with my dad the other day and it was great to get him out on the golf course actually away from all this fucking bullshit. That's going on and like you know with a Monday morning. And he's like I just gotTa just go. We gotTA WE GOTTA Get Out Walking Golfer. So he's talking to Rockville links. They hooked us up there. They were so happy to see him. They're like my looking Kagan. Like oh my God like Kagan who listen to this show is like oh my Gosh. Mr Borelli like looking trying to get a Clemson in San sandwiches in doctors like. I can't believe these things are in in in in the flesh And I took a picture with them on the eighteenth hole you know and it's we're standing right extra but me and him are quarantining together. I've been here for three months right like we eat dinner together. We play games. We play Yahtzee. We watched movies like am. I not allowed to put that picture up. Because we're sitting next to each other like I WANNA be like I. I had a great day with my dad on a golf course were sent on eighteen. Three and we're standing next to each other might not allowed to show the World Dad's having a good day or is that where we're at right now that we know that picture up what you know you could put that picture up. They gotTA explain like well. You know. I'm with them all. Yeah mean. Isn't that so sad. There is an element of like. There's of Super Low risk people that you spend time with that like there's just acceptance right like a married couple. That just sleeps together every in bed every night is like they can take a picture outside right like what's now it's so sad man. It's like little things like that that you wanna like you know you just WanNa like that's something that's like that's what life is being able like share moment and like put it up and be like a like family look at us like we're having fun like here's here's an update on like on life what that's also if you if you can't do shit like this. We can't live like crazy. I'm starting to lose it a little bit. I say. Put it up frank. I think you to people who know you and are familiar with you know that you've been at home this pretty much this entire time. You've been I know it sucks. You have all these caveats. But that's just the way it isn't it. It's weird. Think talk about like the picture like it's like it's more of like the lifestyle that we're in right now it's nuts. Oh Yeah I'm starting to fucking lose it man. Everybody's got a nice ranch. Yeah Yeah I mean. Everybody's losing to an extent ballots. Can we're all right? Fellas ENJOY The Sunday Golf. Next time we talk guys will be here yes. I can't wait to get out of this like epicenter of Shit. Show man like all these like you know. I think it's GonNa be such a nice change of pace for that week because like like you can clearly see. I'm starting to lose a little bit like it's just I can't I can't with New Yorker I just can't at the none of it makes sense to me. I just need to get out. I need to the beat Kevin Kisner and golf. That's all I need to do. I could not agree more. I'm ready to see green trees green grass. I'm very excited. If we meet Kevin Kisner before boys collectively or World Class Golfer Yup rich the most levick thing that will ever do in our lives behold I mean it is saying that that collectively that together we are better than a WGC winner. A top forty player in the world at off. It's crazy we can win a little bit of homework for everyone listening. 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Man I don't know when it's GONNA release. Maybe it releases real soon. Maybe it releases before next podcasts. Who knows we're trying to grind this thing out so keep an eye out for that? That may be a big push that we have here. We don't have another show coming out of its own the weekend. Keep Your Eyes Open because we're working on and we're putting music to it. It's dramatic as fuck. We sent a teaser to our boys. Here in the foreplay boys in our group chat and it is I mean it gives you the chills man thumbs up trance giving the thumbs up this thing. I think it may be an hour long. I think that's how long you GONNA be. It is GonNa be so chill inducing. There's so many times I was talking about yesterday. He said that there's only three or four holes where there's not a storyline on that whole like where we didn't like hype up something like a big chip or huge pot and a part of the match. There's only two or three times where like we don't have that like. 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Ep. 2,782: Michael Chandler, Vinny Magalhaes and Richard Hunter

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Ep. 2,782: Michael Chandler, Vinny Magalhaes and Richard Hunter

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Slash junkie. I took you Tanya roll baby on Amei junkie radio with gorgeous, George and go. This is what we do in what we do it baby. We. Covering MMA from all over the world. This is the previous stop for all your combat sports needs. And that may junkie radio. The only show broadcasting live from the Mandalay bay resort and casino in the fight capital of the world, Las Vegas, Nevada. The lights are on and the mics are hot. It's time to get your MMA fixed junkies. Take it away. Big, John gorgeous Georgia goes, are you ready junkie kit or you've written get it all. All right. Here we go. If you ever made the radio. So I'm gorgeous George to my right is the goes Dan, Tom, bringing it with fight analyst's role, and Richard hunter is going to be our co host for the entire show from phone booth fighting podcast. Danny auto, of course holding down back east. Wow, I'm off my game. That was cool. That was different ticket. Yeah, that took like six months. Yeah. Nice. Check it by the way. Thank you. It's jacket season, everything. Danny auto and yourself. Yeah. And. Danino the people on the other end. I don't. I don't really remember them. Somebody named Joey that that was really good at putting all of our ideas together. We. All right. All right guys will it is a Monday here we're back from while I'm back from. So Cal ghost for made it out my God. Yeah, and it will, you know, I was battling a cold, so it was a long weekend for me. But here we, I also had two days in Costa Mesa, California, thanks again to Mike Boyle, and k. o. c. I. Down in Costa Mesa for facilitating my presence over there. To beltway show guys show. Sorry. Belt or two, seven belt or two eight and a PF l. to discuss. And of course the latest UFC news that's out there. There's just a lot of stuff that's been coming in man ever since posts UFC two twenty nine including Habib. Never good. Made off asking Floyd Mayweather hey, let's go someone's almost go twenty seven against fifty in. Let's do this which I looked at that and I just thought, wow, this is so ridiculous. I guess I appreciate the effort. You know anybody that, you know on the one hand, you say, hey, go out there and get that cheddar. But Habib's just made some comment as of late that he doesn't care about the cheddar. So it just kinda confuses me to follow his career. But anyway, let's start there. And then 'cause I, I just thought that was a piece of news. I'm sure everybody wanted to talk about every organization had something going on this weekend. Right? Even any Alvarez one. Like is that official. I think it is. Okay. As far as the Floyd comment goes, somebody's must go to me sounds more like somebody's. Oh, oh, no. I don't want to be involved at all in any of that. That just seems dumped me and I'm so over it. And that could be any box. Floyd could beat them with one hand if they fight and there may could bit in one hand, if the fight in the streets could be could beat him with one hand. Why are we even doing this y? Yeah, this is a way for Floyd Mayweather to keep making money and Floyd Mayweather needs to keep making money. It's true by boxing something. I mean, some kind of, you know, hybrid side show kind of thing because once we got Mayweather Pacquiao on the big pay day off of that and all that kind of stuff and may weather's, you know, proper boxing career is is fading because of father time, then it was a perfect time to do the Connor thing. And. Make the money off of the Connor thing, but we needs to keep making money. And this is long as he's got a willing dance partner like that. He can do it and actually been called him. Although no, I, I know. But I'm saying as far as his willingness to entertain it. Right. I think Floyd would be all too happy to hear these types of offers, continue to come from him and may fighters who want to try to box. You know what it is. It'd be like if Tom Brady as he's getting older, people kept throwing money for him to plant a flag football game or something. Yeah, it really makes things name, but he's probably sitting back on. This is awesome. I don't really have to train. These guys aren't even on my level and you're still gonna pay me what I would be. Did it? I don't think so. I read it may please don't let it be boxing. But it's silly, it's stupid. Why away from from Emma may. I don't want that. I know those guys like tired of their union cardiac Rinaldo. They make a lot of money just off tweet or an Instagram post. So if you'll notice they don't really abuse it, the select, there's they support their friends and family and then to sponsor stuff. And I guess a lot of it has to do with if you do a lot to those off the algorithm and these guys are all ego, they want to be at the top good point does say, if you think about it, let's say you're playing may weather, and let's say you never actually fight could be, but you talk about fighting could be for six months and nine months year, whatever. And it gets all this media think about pitching that to sponsors if you're Floyd Mayweather team, hey, whatever. Booze of the moment is in vogue, how about every what is proper twice. So how about every time you know, I'm talking about Kobe by tag you in my tweet, or I'm holding your bottle in an Instagram post. When I'm telling Kabeba I'm gonna kick his ass. I mean, there's a lot of product placement that could go on there to your point. It's probably a lot of money to be made there. I'm telling you Floyd Mayweather needs to keep making money. He spending it really fast. We'll Richard, we're good. Friends can tell you this. I hadn't been. I wasn't done making my point now. No, I'm just kidding now. You know what? I, it's probably going to be a dump point, but what you said, makes sense. What else did I say was there comes a time where I think when you're about to push those buttons, doesn't someone stopping that's ridiculous. As far as social media, like if doesn't someone stop being? Well, that's ridiculous. You're gonna kick his ass here. He's gonna kick your ass there. It's never going to happen. You're under contract, stop it some, or is it just fund of just wake up and be a jerk? Well, sometimes there's somebody like that in your camp. If you're lucky and I think we see a lot of examples when there's not an mistakes are made. I don't see. I don't think this is a mistake though. I think could be saying this. It doesn't really. There's nothing really on the line. He's subliminal message to UFC going a look. I can explore the things which you can't because he's under contract baby, and maybe there's some a sense of some rivalry with Connor there because even though Connor lost the fight to Floyd he, there were a lot of victories in that for Connor in terms of making the money he made being able to successfully hype it the way that he did stay in there with Foyt for as long as he did. I mean, I don't think that really hurt Connor to do that whole Floyd Mayweather exercise. So maybe there's a sense of of. Of some some one upsmanship with Khabib that, hey, if that's something Connor feels like he can do. I just beat Conor. So I'm going to compete with Connor on other in in other areas as well. Like for example, hyping building my name outside of ima may. That's a good point. When you think about how many paper views were sold, they weren't really sold because of Habib. He was a part of it was mostly Connor. Connor didn't get there overnight. He did kind of crazy things like that. So I think the point what you're saying is when he's getting ready to send it Instagram or tweet, I think if he can just get the attention of those guys up there on the big screen right now talking and just going, can you believe he'll be just his name getting thrown out there again is probably money in his pocket. Eventually, how's it money? Because people are talking about them right now. The only reason they're talking about is all the destruction that happened, not even during the fight after the fight, but all right, we're bomb how different making money could be is at a point in his career, we've known his name for a very long time. There are two two point to the big. Screen again, the the ESPN talking heads and those kind of people that goes, which is gesturing toward they just learned his name a couple of weeks ago and they're still having a hard time pronouncing it. Yeah. So this is his way to keep that moment. I'm going that mainstream woman, he's already got us, but he needs to keep his name in the minds of those guys. Here's an analogy that might work connecting the bridge here, how I see it when I was a kid, I, I would say this and it was one of the more spookily accurate things. I would say I had no context and say it as a kid made no sense, but it was true. It was wine when I would see in the newspapers. When a celebrity would get married a divorce. This was pre internet early nineties. I would say, wow, isn't it strange how these people are getting married or divorced, or some crazy life event. And then all of a sudden they're in much of movies again and they weren't movies before, and it's kind of keeping your name in Alexa. Now we've seen this tactic, especially more so with social media, how that's a tactic, PR tactic and all this person's a tweet, Nepal storm. And next thing you know the next person in line for a sitcom. So I think that's what you guys are saying as far as. A person like Floyd Mayweather actually making money and staying relevant without actually having to sign a fight contract. For example, yesterday I saw that fifty cent or fifty as the kids calling head offered Khabib her mega medoff two million dollars to break his contract and go to belt, or you know where I saw the headline on CNN dot com. Wow, so you know, and that was the only amendment headline on CNN dot com that I've seen in a month, probably not longer, wow, this entertainment world, man. If those are there little tricks to just keep going like we're, we're fucking puppets over here. Yes. All right. The other thing, and then we'll jump into some bell tower in PF l. Conor McGregor was on the cowboy sideline, I think. 'cause I, I know Audie pretty well. He manages MMA athletes and football. It's I know one of them's tyrant Smith one to tackle, I believe for the Cowboys who went to USC. And so I imagine maybe something went through there or maybe tyrant told him, hey, some McGregor fans on our team, and then maybe the wheels turning on Audie side or maybe vice versa. Who knows what I think he also made a stop in Denver, but wow, I mean, this was like a big deal. And now that made me happy because it was cool to see the NFL players react to Connor. Even though he had just come off a loss in in in America, we love a winner, but still you could tell they were writing die, like Jeff heath one of their safeties if I'm not mistaken, he just wanted to say what's up and bump bump heads or. Or pads or whatever right before the kickoff. So it was really, really cool to see Cowboys team. I loathe. But obviously I love seeing. Wrong enough word. Correct. But did you see people come in atom for the way he threw a football? Have you ever seen through the money kick the soccer ball? No, it goes both ways trust. Yeah, I saw him throw these at the MGM. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know when came pretty close to my head. We always expect a perfect spiral out of that. Dan, Tom knew that. What was his fingers on the laces and you that that that ball was would? I would have done it hits right here on the nose I would have even if it grazed me, I would have done a flop that would have put the greatest soccer star Shane, they would've carried me off on the stretcher disliked they do the soccer folks. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, it was hit me same thing. No, no. I think at the time I think I just would've saved face like no big thing. You know, no big deal. I would have flopped, I think, at least fallen back in my chair. So that means you're always thinking about the quick quick winning or are you talking about? I just think it would have been at the very least and it would have been funny. But yeah, I guess. Like when when Paris Hilton shoved me out of the way I flop my arms, you know, just to make a joke out of it or more than anything. But, but but I thought you meant like for the purpose of like, oh my God, somebody ambulance lawyer. Okay. I just thought of an Indian freaky Friday scenario. I would have taken the monster energy drink to the head flop down hauled off on the stretcher. But when I came to would've assumed the personality of Robin black. W see. All right, guys, belt or two, seven, two, please. We'll start in sequential order. This past Friday. We had, you know, the first semi final of the Bela Tor heavyweight, grand prix. I wanna make sure I get that, right. So on this occasion, we had Matt Mitcham versus Ryan Bater. It was pretty much. What we thought if baiter wins is how he's gonna win any pretty much want it that way. Michio wasn't too pleased, but I think he understood, hey, this guy had something that I didn't, you know. So baiter proceeds to the finals. He got, you know, he kind of, I guess, dominates the right where it right or remember this is nothing else going on with Jeff initial. Yeah, that's what it boiled down to and in in the combing of feature surrogate Caetano be ROY Nelson. That one had a little bit controversy. So I wouldn't mind, you know, going back to that one, but guys react to baiter versus Michio. I don't think that mitchum can really say much about tactics or anything because he was the bigger guy, you know. And so what amazes me is Ryan Bater in his game now because he can beat you with just about anything. If you go back and see the way he finished king, I, his hands have evolved, submission game has wrestling. He really is a Jack of all trades athleticism. Everything. I, it's crazy into. I think that now it's going to be him in or which I well, we'll get to that. But I thought he put in a really good performance. When you think about the real Bella tour, free agent success stories ever since they in the Scott Coker air started putting this push toward not just signing the veterans, but these guys, you know, Benson Henderson, Phil Davis, you know, these blue chips. These guys who were kind of in their prime Ryan Bater has has got to be the biggest success of a mall with the now what he's been able to do. But you know, he kind of seemed to hit become seem to hit that that plateau or that glass ceiling in a right the end of his UFC career. We was always top five, but just never could quite get over that. That home either put the little heat with a with or that would come in handy right now. And then but then he goes to Bella tour and really just takes it up notch and to the point now that I mean, I think he's got to be a big favourite over fate or and that kind of domination. I mean, we've seen bad style matchups for people over the years in MMA, but it's it's just. Ever so often that you see that kind of disparity. I mean, that was a gap, the size of the Grand Canyon terms of of Mitterrand's weakness and Badir strength. Yeah, yeah. What you think Dan. Yeah, exactly. I mean, ver- very dominating performance. I guess I kind of had to pick a, you know, peg for that. But I mean at the same time you couldn't write off Mitchell. And for those little instances that it wasn't the feet, you look at the Machida count that left hand counter in your one or material was going to be able to do the same thing, but well, yeah, man, I I picked baiter from early onset to be the ad quite favourite, but then eventually kind of made it to bigger favorite, I think is as after we saw the brackets and how the first matches played out so. But I will say this though, I would be careful if they do put a big favourite line on on Ryan Bater against fate or because I think, or which will I'm sure we'll get to. I think it'd be more dangerous matchup fair to say than whatever the odds will probably indicate for baiter. How's your injury? Mine pretty good. I guess I got it snap back into place before the before the show that was hard for me to do. Yeah. I guess. Did that as a kid. You know, this is my first. This is this is my first fractured. Anything g. g anyways, actually the to-. Okay. All right. Well, hope you feel better. Yeah. Yeah. Be a four weeks. I'll be the one hand abandoned learning how to do everything with my left. I was watching you. You're writing with the left hand. You know the the handwriting said the end product is not much different. It just takes longer to get to it which is even sadder part, but I'm not gonna find that other scenarios to. Yeah, you know what the worst. The worst one is wiping your ass with the left. Oh, man. I whenever I. It wasn't that bad Bowman. Whenever I do bets, I use that because secretly people don't know how much it sucks sock seventies your left hand. See, I'm see. It sucks. I'm kind of partial ambidextrous gonna left for a lot of things ready, but it's just not learning clearly not enough things and I don't wanna complain. I'm not complaining too much, especially a. I'm treating it as a Well. I I gotta look at at at at it positive. You look at Dan Tom's medical history in two thousand eighteen not been the nicest one. That's been a kind of a crazy roller coaster up. I don't know. I think he's just support the whole thing because they don't want. They don't want one part moving. They don't want this moving. And then if they don't want that moving, then you got to kind of an attached effect. We know more than me. But I was just wondering from here to here, you can get h. e. or whatever. Yeah, wanna limit it. You know, the the original one I had a from Thursday on was was really achie-. This is the recast version here they did after they, they could probably probably Bill a little bit more if they go higher up the arm abet there saw insurance billion coathanger. They're probably the. Yeah, I'm gonna have to. You know, the funny thing, the guy, the guy casting us up. We're talking about organizations in one earlier, the guys, the Asian disaster about martial arts and stuff, and my you don't follow mixed martial arts, you know, and then you have to be you don't one, I'm like, yeah. And so it's kind of interesting how how how how they market, they really own own Asia there. But it was like, yeah, this guy, Eddie Alvarez might be going there and he knew Eddie Alvarez, but he didn't believe me. He's like, what? Why would he go to. One, they're small. How long do you have that on or how long do you have to have that on four weeks? So four weeks, I will be the one handed bandit and I guess I was say after after interviewing not just interviewing, but we all see people like Nick Newell and stuff persevere. I definitely don't wanna complain about one point, five hands for for four weeks. You know what I'm saying? So I'm definitely taking it as a challenge is a positive, and it'll be a lot more grateful to you're saying, you're saying between yourself and Nick Newell you feel like Nick Newell probably has a greater challenge. I think that's safe to say I didn't wanna have to spell it out. Dirty again, I believe you should do your fight with one hand. I'm just saying. Your third hand and good. I just actually got done training syndicate this morning. So seven weeks out were similar. I e because putting in for your media credentials yet. Tough. I don't know if I'm going to get accepted edge. Just let me remind me. I'll help you out miss Jesse. Jackson's the game. You can get your sweat on. She was film you guys post workout. There was the one that had my nasty leg NO yet. He had a nice tie of going on though that shit. But like my whole inner thigh was purple. There's something. So I took my pants off that day. It looked like some glue. It looked like something awful. Yeah, oddballs. Yeah. All right. What'd you think of carrot Tana an ROY Nelson. I watched it today. We had some legal knees, big John McCarthy, Johnny on the spot. He said, you know, it should have been a two point induction, I guess, in the end it didn't matter because we want of having a Finnish, but. I tend to think that I know these situations on how they should be handled. And I was amazed that Nelson, I guess, seem to. The, I don't know. I, it seemed like it was more in the hands of the ref and the doctor decide if Nelson was good to go and not enough, I didn't hear enough interaction on. Are you good to go? Now? I'm not saying Nelson because he seems like toughest SOB out one of the toughest obese out there would have taken the easy way out. But again, if you are rattled and he did take two very illegal knees, you would think there would just be a situation where he actually gives some feedback as well. Well, you guys just confuses this initial reaction make you think there's no way he was going to continue? I was actually shocked that he did. It just seemed like all of a sudden he just shook it off and I think it was. It was left with no choice. It was flush. Yeah, you're right. There wasn't that normal dialogue that we're used to write. It reminded me a cowboy Olivera Tim means I think their first fight kind of like what goes as far as what goes sayings. I got that initial view too, where Roy's a reaction to it was so. Animated that like you because we'll get, we don't know how he feels so we can only go off what, how we see where we're react, right? So Roy's reaction was was animated to though that I got that initial view viewpoint too, and I have to watch it again to see what the discussion was, but clearly obviously, you know, no one put a gun to Royce head as far as that goes any. But then again to your point, George, he's tough. He's probably gonna go out there and he is because he's a tough dudes. Right? I have to watch that whole interaction again. What was said right between the fishes ROY and you're right. It was animated. I thought his reaction was more to the flagrancy of the foul. I think if you're really stunned and shake out, I mean he did turn over flop on his back. But I think if you're really stunning shaking up year, you don't have the presence of mind be that animated in your in your protests. So like you said to Royce credit, I mean stuff as he is. But I mean, the problem with that type of Falun being as flagrant as it is is even if somebody forges ahead, they're still going. I mean, it's a win. But they're still got to be a little bit of a cloud hanging over it just because it was so there is. But what I've noticed Richard is it lasts about a week and then when we start talking about, hey, so care Tana slipped in this grand prix because that was the all about how does he stack up again, you know, and you may have a hardcore that goes suit even been in there, you know, and then that discussion withers away. But now the focus just he's there and you just, you know, we all move on from these controversy where I think it matters though lingual lingers and where it's where it's important is with the matchmakers because I think a matchmaker keeps in mind. You know, if he's well, wait a second, you know, as he kind of added do I wanna put them back in there and they go well, no way to second. He gutted through something that might have really rendered him significantly diminished in a fight. So and probably that's alternately where it matters because these guys are just working for their next paycheck and again to to to Nelson's credit. I mean, he probably could have just. Called it right there, and I don't think anybody would have blamed him too bad. What if these are well to weights? And you know that if you get through your that much closer to the middle of that fits given away, that's what I'm saying. I think maybe you know, in Royce mine and specially, you know, at the at and things like that, you know, it's been amazing and it's it's, it's been a great thing that there haven't been any injuries in this heavyweight tournament so far. And there hasn't been any juggling of cards or anything like that, but it certainly could happen. And maybe that's in his mind to that said, Sergei look good before the fall. Yeah, great. After the fall, I mean, wow, like that Sergei should be in the belt or grand free or should have been that lost a yellow set them back. That was almost two years ago. Actually, the hobby, a yellow fight, but still it set them back. He went out and still got some m one or some other wins, but man, you look at his record. He's taken down some tough cats and I, I'm like, man, they got this guy in the chamber. They got minute Minakov Italian Minakov, who they came. Do some agreement of terms back in April. Yep. You know he's ready to go, Frank eventually returns. I mean, like literally, he now y'all next is he threatened. You're right, December. So let's get this thing done. This grand prix and honestly with Bater saw loot, man, here's your belt. Get back to defending light-heavyweight. But now let's Ford, let's move forward with with the heavy division. Yeah, even if he wants to defend it. Well, it's. Heavyweight champ? Yeah, because there is no champs, so don't you think, especially the way he had done, you can't do both out a heavyweight if I were him. I'd say I want to at least defend at one time and then just let it go. But one thing I've noticed though guys is every single one that says it always says the same thing I want to win it. I wanted to fend both, blah, blah, blah, and then the minute they win it and you ask them. So what's first? Hey, hey, hey, I, I'm still sweating. I just one leave me be all right. We leave you being a few weeks. Yeah. Well, you know, had to meet with the brass and see what's what, or whatever. All right. It's been a few weeks. Yeah, you know there was this injury. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and then eventually you just realize the guy's not gonna defend both. Congo they've got quite a few heavyweights, right? They do. I think there's, I think there's added incentive for, let's say, if baiter does do it that for him to do it because right now bell Tor in terms of star power as as much momentum as they're building in his great of a job they're doing with that, it's still much more of a untamed frontier, as opposed to, let's say, the UFC where there's a big concentration of mainstream superstars. I mean, if your baiter in you can become that that to two division champion, not only are you the first hold him simultaneously and all that sort of thing. But you've got a chance to really build your name as one of the real faces of the franchise. And I don't think baiters quite there yet. I mean, I think he he still need he. He could still stand to increase his cachet just in terms of marketability with bell toward this great way to do it. Speaking of big names, Michael Chandler will be one of our guests on today's show as we'll Vinnie Meghalaya's Vinnie goliaths. When we discuss PF l. we'll go over what he did. But basically it was two wins that put him in the finals on December thirty. First at PF l. eleven. Remember those guys are going to be fighting for one million dollars at night. Let's go to belt or to await the following night. We had the other side of the brackets for the bell tower, heavyweight grand prix. It was fate or million and go against shale Sunan while within like six seconds, Chelsea was on his ass and I want to get back to what that little common. I just made because when we discuss fade or and baiter even though baiters come along, like you said and he's well rounded, he's developed some hands. Man, feeders got some quick hands like he can take it all the way by putting you on your can. And then all of a sudden it's just one big mad scramble. It's a chicken versus. Peter Griffin type fight. You know what I mean? Which is what this thing became. But wow, I mean, it was really, really fun fight to watch credit all tail who got knocked down about four times, but still was able to get a position that he's very familiar with. He grabbed a single, he got the other lady got fade on, you know, on his back, he, you know, want even taken his back for crying out loud and then of course all this just happened. So quick that you know, you can't really say he maximize any of that, but, but still through it all I've seen so many other opponents of fate or just get smashed, and that's it. You just look in the mirror and there's a bunch of big dust ball, but, but here you know, tell try to make it a fight couple of those scrambles. He was trying to turn back into him because he did turtle up and then eventually he'd get back into a turtle position and or got the win. Great win for or pretty decent showing jail considering he got smoked so early for him to come back from that. But overall, yeah, it wasn't a great show me from chaleston, but now he's the other half of the equation. Vado millionaire. Would you guys think I didn't think it was that bad? I thought I thought the fight was fun. We got down four time. I mean, like it is a heavyweight again, mostly a middleweight. I thought he did. Well, I thought he got positions where he could have done something with it. It didn't work out in his favor. The one thing that I like about this tournament, we have that stretch that fate or a million Inca would just take fights almost just to take them and I don't feel like we've got a true representation of him, and I think it's because what this tournament does, it forces him to be a mixed martial arts the whole year round, right? He's got a train for the next fight. Stay in shape, do all that. And I think that's why maybe we're seeing a little bit of a different failure than we did a couple of years ago. So I'm actually excited about the main event and you're right. I mean, I think. Will be a good fight with. The one thing that stands out for me is when you look at Ryan Bater and one of his drinks, he likes to land that counterpunch and fate or will throw that punch out there like Mike Tyson's punch out style and he doesn't bring his hands back and I could see wild later, just checking this open. He didn't break his hand, honestly, because I knew pretty much on his way to a win and he's do that in the past. But would you think Richard, I think that you know, one of shales defining legacies when you look back on his career is going to be these situations where he basically out kicks his coverage into a match. You know whether it's Anderson Silva, John Josiah, those he kind of talked as wait until I mean this one obviously earned the spot. But once he got there, you're like, I think a lot of people probably thought, wow, I didn't necessarily anticipate this matchup and how is he going to be able to do as far as that went? I agree with goes are only it. Was that bad at all? I think he he did well, I think toward that door is it near the finish? I think he must have. And this. Definitely question. I would ask him, did he realize, okay, I'm not going to be able to stand with this guy. Did not take any more time than that to realize where he was going to be at a serious disadvantage. So maybe he was willing to to try to take more risks like the Ford role and all that. And maybe that's what led to the end. But yeah, all in all. I mean, I I did not pick him going in, but I thought he hung with them as best he could. I didn't think there was anything to be ashamed of there where he was concerned. All right. Then what'd you think of the fight is found a all the the fixed fight, talk, kind of crazy. We've seen. We'll get that allow bell tower, especially with little older older fighters going at it, and it's hard because I think a lot of I think a lot of it is people make the mistake of betting Belot or I suppose part of the reasons I was asked me why I breakdown belt or if is now. But as far as like while I was doing betting and stuff and plays, why don't do those? Because it's just it's a, it's a crap shoot. You can make fun of like smash matches and say, oh, it's like, you know, you know, minus. One thousand odds verse, this guy like get a lot of those, but not always. You get a lot of these kind of wild matchups that you think you know what you're getting, but you really don't. And as far as like, you know, sudden getting knocked down four times, I think a lot of that was just his willingness willingness to be knocked down. I just think he knew that he was not going to win standing up and I don't think he liked any of that and it was more the for breezy overdue approach, wars, follow me to the ground. Let's sue the dogfighting scramble. Not not since he's not inviting him to his guard. Like for doom obviously doesn't have that right, but who's inviting the wrestling scenario. So I think that's where a lot of those came from, you know, people were talking about that front flip four role to take the back up and our own Ben folks have made it a good blue corner piece have been a junkie kind of pointing that out with a reference to the actual technique for people that didn't know that one. And as for fatal or the reason why you know, I think the tournaments a great point that goes brought up, but something that I noticed, you know, these last couple, you know, have a running running running through my comb so to speak as who is training with. He's only doing half his camp now and story off school where he. From the rest he's doing. We actually went. He actually went to. He actually went back to the Netherlands, like used to do back in the pride and even early affliction days, right? You've got to part of his campaign wins, but he's also training Alexander Nevsky school, which is like of a deem nam cough, that dark horse. It's coming out in the light heavyweight division built or laid kick the crap out of lean. Geary takover fought in that same card another a Russian up and comer. He beach lament go. So he's training with like real young lions. And I think that that there's a benefit there because these guys respect them. So they're not going harder them which can be kind of a detriment. But at the same tense, he's getting that feel and he's getting the feel from people who respect them. So I think he's getting quality work. In other words in the gym, I think we're seeing that he's coming in. It's hard to say fater looks more in shape because he's always says that round figure, but I would argue he's more in shape than when goes with saying he was just taking fights. And yeah, he's a real threat to win. Do you think he was tired at the end of the fight? Like a lot of people are making out to be, or was it just, you know, adrenaline excite. Statement happiness because to be fair, it was almost at the end of the first round of right guys didn't get correct. And a lot of times I like to judge a fighter coming off that stool at the end because unless see how they react, you know how their body can get their second win. And but what you think overall, because I thought he looked all right, I think it was overblown, but that doesn't mean that path is in there for baiter. And I think the reason why I think it's overblown, it's because Fayed or style for one that was a dogfight that was a fast paced fight. And that's kind of what I predicted for his tail is going to have to make that fast paced by. He's gonna have to do a George said he was going to have to make him get off that still heavy in the second round. If he survived the first round, which he didn't. But even in the first round, there are points where you're like, oh, while fatal must be done already. Look at chilled, just took him down. He didn't even scramble. Chill went from half guard. Two Cy control. Failure didn't scramble, but he fatally, he waits there Lucy's like a little sand, shark. He's just waiting on the bottom. He's making big shift your weight. And then as soon as jail went from out, what did he do? Bom bridged up and explode any waiting. And then his classic fetal, he's grounded impounding. So these, it's real tricky like that who he'll he'll he'll wait for his body such veterans. So I, I, I didn't catch that too heavily. I don't think he was gas, but I think he was definitely feeling it because that's the most wrestling he said to do in years because it's true. About? Yeah, then that was a pretty active for. Yeah, anybody would be breathing heavy after that. Yeah. All right. So we gotta get a break in. You're listening to Emma may junkie radio on Sirius XM's fire nation. Chelny three stay close. We'll be right back. We'll continue finishing up on bell tower to await. Talk a little bit about chick Congo and Benton Anderson. They also got wins, and then we'll shift our focus VFL. Nine. I was actually at nine. Yeah, in Long Beach, I wanna share my experience there got to hang out with some junkies, solid from the industry. That's awesome. Really, really good fights. So stay right back. Injuries forced them to tire undefeated from EMI with a record of, oh, oh, they are gorgeous. George goes and this is m e junkie radio. NBA opening night features a match between Russell Westbrook Paul, George and the Oklahoma City thunder facing off against Steph, curry, Kevin Durant and two time defending champion. Golden State Warriors coverage begins tomorrow at ten thirty eastern on MBA radio series, two, seven x eighty six and streaming on your phone and at home on except connected devices and speakers. Richard hundred from phonebooth fighting podcast is joining us here in studio, recapping, the weekend's action, including belt or two, seven to await, and PF l. nine. To finish out a little bit on. Excuse me, bell tort to eight, which was the one with fate or and son. And we also had Benson Henderson, defeating side Awad, and Chicago waxing to the Johnson. That's chick Congo's like forty four men, and he's still a looks like twenty four and be just keeps racking up, wins. A bit of a resurgence to, you know, after kind of being out there drift a little bit for a while. I mean, I think he even though he's not in the tournament, I think he's definitely through these last couple of fights reestablishing himself as you know. Bell tour heavyweight contender status, for sure. I often get asked, hey, do you think so? And so fill in the blank should hang up, especially after one of those kale finishes or whatever. Maybe when they've been on a poor run. And I always say, if he or she still wants to fight and they get their cognitive. Well, actually everything should get checked out. You know, you should obviously have your heart your brain, you know, just make sure that you should be going through these camps and be healthy enough to fight and that you're not basically losing marbles from fight to fight. But I always say, if you can get through the camp, if you still love that job and promoters willing to pay, it's a business transaction and you know who actually has nailed it. Although no one's really asked me about chick Chicago directly Congo he goes out there and granted he has had a couple of kills for the most part is a conservative game plan. He goes out there. You know he's an aim for you to put on the poster. I'm not sure he's the biggest ticket seller, but you know, he fills out a card. They pay him well, he's still doing his things into late forties. You know what I mean? Now if he was getting walloped again. Getting himself checked out, then proceed. But if not, yeah, but, but this is just a guy that won't go away, but he still keeps doing his job and he still keeps getting decent paychecks Jalen to Jake shows able to do that. I think there's some fighters that live through a period where they just didn't make much money. And I think they're a little soured that they put that much time enough and weren't able to be rewarded like some of this new guard. So I think they stick around for those patients. I think Dan Henderson was one of those guys that took a Bite Fight, and if he got away from one, he said, I'll do it again and maybe I don't want eight and give a hundred percent in training camp, and I'm sure he wasn't the same night training for fights. He was five years ago because he could come in and wreck shop around one. But I think a lot of guys do that. Yeah, no doubt. Good on him. Like the end, Tom noted earlier, a teammate of fate or in the Netherlands. Antoni Antle. Anatoly. Sorry, tuck off defeated, Alyssa. Minka those little bit of shocker. 'cause all I was thinking, well, she'll make the guy that gave saucy fits. You know what I mean? Here was ASI smashed McDonald, but you just never know when someone's either going to have a bad fight or the career starts taking a downward confused, didn't he actually main country crawls to round out? Yeah, defeated, Anthony me. You kept getting put in the same bad positions over and over and he had this confused look like he couldn't believe that this was happening. Yeah, to be fair. Look, take anything away. Mandela, Nello gotta win over Carrington banks. Carrington banks just was somebody that was very highly loud. You know, wrestler naked and watch out for him. You know, taking a loss Kevin Ferguson junior was a big favorite coy Browning junior, seven hundred. He got the win there. So the guys over the body shop take. Lost there and then the Rensselaer wanna give him some love. He is technically the alternate in the million dollar while two-way grand prix, he defeated. I on Pascu. So now he's just waiting to see if somebody won't be able to continue. We don't hope that I guess he does, but it just tends to happen. And do you guys want to add anything to seven to eight or can I turn pages to? I'll just make a quick comment about the alternate position because if you think about it, even if you don't get in as an alternate, you know, even if somebody doesn't get injured or whatever it through that tournament, you're the only person who's racking up wins as the alternate. So once somebody is crowned the champion or they're, you know, stay the and whatever you could easily be considered right there for a title shot because a lot of these other guys have recent losses on their record. So it's kind of a way to forge apparel all path. You're not in the tournament, but a couple of wins and. You're right there consideration, hey, I also want fifty cent to be selling champagne spray more. I think it'd be much more comical if you was like, you know, like spraying the fighters, like their girls in the club because of the fighters are just looking at him with a deadpan spare deadpans just leading there. I just doing it. That's what Bob cook was doing. I don't know if you saw in the background who's in the locker room, they're making that big deal. Bob cooks. When I get some going, they all wear goggles now. Right when they do that stings. Yeah. Does it really sting that I would rather just have all and have the memory all those assets seeing because of you ever noticed when the ones aren't wearing it? Let's say your the announcer. So here's your Mike. You're not. You're interviewing me. The guy just little be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I got the hit. You know the ninth inning news going to be two one like he is in agony. Riley urging sitting there like stings. Okay. It wouldn't be so bad if you could just kind of shake it off and all right dog or something. Little, you're going your favorite movies, the bad news bears, you love it right? The ending when they're pouring beer over their heads, they all goggles when it ruin it for you. Just put up with it. I think what am I classic is like, but I think they're literally in egging what is what? If that's actually a great, that's a great pro wrestling scenario. What if if Batur is dominating Maitree owned and late in the third round, fifty cent comes pops. The champagne spray baiters like my eyes and Maitree on knockout. That'd be too intense, but now that I'm thinking about it, I don't think anybody's complaint as is think about like the classically Ellie Lakers Johnson, Pat Riley in the back of those those classic images at those guys complaining like goggles, we're the Corinne. That's true. You're right. The other question, I don't think they need it. I think they just prefer it. But, but but one time I think one player was asked about that. He says, dude, you, it's really, really is bad. He goes, you just can't see, and then it's everywhere just when you think you're killing out of it. So he almost compared to like a macer sprayer. How would now? Yeah. Based on a, I don't know what it's like, and I'll tell you why, because I was at a club and I think someone put something I don't know what it was inside of a vent. It was an after four AM in the morning, and I remember we, we weren't drinking. We were done drinking because it was l. a. stop drinking after two. So we were sipping water something just having a good time after his club and also like you just couldn't breathe and all the, you know. And I thought it was me and then I saw theirs. And so right away, it was like find an exit or find. So I know what that is. I don't know exactly what kind of spray it was. That was a cruel trick. Man and a lobby rushed out and lobby, you know, that took a while to get out where huffing and puffing. But yeah, I think there was also this may go way back, but I thought that there with the goggle thing, there was also some documented case of like a cork in somebody in the eye or something. That might have happened at some point. I don't drink the alcohol, but now they don't have do they have corks now to the hall? Yeah, I think just the ready that well, I don't know. Does it fifty cents stuff have a cork. I would imagine. All I know is big for visual, gag. If the more he just aids in the more heat sprays it on the. You can go with your honest assessment. Spray. Oh athlete. Like, hey, what's the most common champagne Esq. I don't know one of those badges pro athletes, right. I wanna say something about say what in Benton Henderson. I thought even though Benson dominated the fight. Sad was game vice and every time he got up to his feet, he did everything. Could he just got taken down again, but I think that kids should be problems. Performance also been Henderson is a guy contrasting to what I said earlier about Ryan Bater in his pass farm belt or you know bins, some bold at times, and I think it was good to have not only a win, but a competitive win like that. You know, to really cause 'cause Benson to me as a as a former UFC champion just has yet to really claim the the status. I think we kind of envisioned him having in belt or you can still get it. And definitely that took steps to get it. But I think he glad to see him get that not only a win, but that kind of wind. All right. We got to break. You're listening to radio on by the coastal. This one's George, and that one's goes now fueled Iraq. Soccer fans don't miss the US men's national team in action tomorrow night as the Yanks take on, Peru goes in an international friendly coverage begins at eight eastern on Sirius XM FC one fifty seven or streaming on your phone or at home on Sirius XM connected devices speakers, eight PM eastern to be more exact. All right. Got to win the other day that I didn't see that now three nothing over who she really we'll maybe now is the time to bring in maybe is our phone guy still there. He is bringing Marco from Waco originally from GLA. What's up Marco. Get up and go. Flow yet. She lost. A lot. What set about NATO's Waco Federal Way. So we got a little bit of care. He had an eye on the way. Cool. Sometimes Syria, one of the big five or big was I. I amid side of two. So, yeah, kids little got the brunt of a whole bunch of Donato's hit on the. McKenna county area. Of course, he kinda stuff at the worst. Wow. Oh, see, Mexico beach on the panhandle of Florida. I'm so there's so much going on dated man. I mean, they'll show you what used to be and what it is now, and it really looks like bomb. I saw some of those buildings collapsing that I will say, well, Marco, I hope anybody, you know, sounds like you are. You weren't affected, but anybody you know, wasn't. Fine. Real benefit. He's gonna win. I enjoy the this weekend. I am Veda. Pete what you're gonna do. I mean, my material got no Presley. Okay. Got less fuck to death. And I got a happy that the one defied I, I was leading shelves by, you know, we got older school versus me as cool. You know bay. I'm a course, do a say, USA. I'm Russian. Oh. This is the one that you've seen. The Phil down is going to be four here since the end of the thinking heavyweight champion. So you believe it finally figured it out so that you get about the bills in bed at the spa added piece, I guess. All right. We're actually even out of time here for me to talk much about PF l. nine which I'll have to do towards the end of the show back to back guests Vinnie Meghalaya's and Michael channel, and I want to shout out the dean Jimenez, Carl, Simon, Rodney Briseno hanging out on the TRAN hanging out with me down at the Long Beach arena. They were the ones that capitalize on those tickets that we give away goes. They had the VIP food, free drinks, alcohol lewd crazy felt it, right. So thank you very much. Some other winners as well. Vinnie Meghalaya's one of the winners, the that'll be compete for a million dollars shout out to him. He'll be coming on just a few minutes Natan Solti. He'll face Rashid Magomedov and then Sean O'Connell face Vinny Mago I, it was really, really fun night, right? We will be back about sixty seconds. It's the top of the hour break, so stay close junk radio on fire nation, channel. Ninety. No matter what you do in the bathroom to get ready. Dollarshaveclub has everything you need to look feel and smell your best. They have amazing shower stuff, hairstyling products, toothbrushes and toothpaste. And of course, razors and shave supplies. I use these products everyday. George, the amber and lavender body washes how I start my morning off, get my body all nice and smooth, and then I switch over to the big cloud. Good shake hand cream. I love that stuff, but that's how I get ready. You're not me. You have to have your own way to get ready. 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And this it was said in this kind of like just doing the Colt about looking watch, live on the YouTube stream. The way back backup in the woods among the means. Ever seen. Having been with Jani who. Gunky guests. Yeah. On the phone. Right. The classic is classic. You watch it like every ten years and you don't really feel like all men this again. You're looking for this it. Sorry. Back in the the band days we used to play when we would go to Saint Louis, we would play Chuck Berry's club. In Saint Louis, but the club got involved in a little bit of the scandal because Chuck Berry had put cameras in the women's bathroom. So he could watch them. He check Mary. I know it's, it's check berry. I remember as they're at. I was not expecting that where you forgot last time bring show. You never heard Chuck Berry stories before there's there's some bootleg like sex tapes. Like back before there, everything was online. There's some. He was kind of like the original art Kelly when it came to their will. No. Well, well, in the Cameron the bathroom. Yeah, he got sued that. Yeah, yeah. The more consensual guy was the Bob crane. Right. Wasn't either more on the just as creepy more consensually. Remember. Hogan's heroes. Bob crane, no. No. But you know what? Like our Kelly for that was underage the bathroom. You obviously can't be filming people with without the consent, but all that other parasail and then crashing to parties consented than Chuck all took very was headed time. You don't. You don't know the Bob crane story, learn that one. That's that's kind of in a way the ultimate. Okay. All right. Let's get to our next guest. He got two wins this past Saturday. Night I win was over Ricky Cleveland. The second win was over Boza it. I'll tell you in both instances Vinnie Meghalaya's this took like combined three minutes between both sides. I mean, almost rip these poor souls. Arms off, I was Winston. I wanted to tap for them, but God man Vinnie is just flying. You know. I mean, he is really, really been performing here in the last few months, not just here in the playoffs, but throughout the regular season, he got those six points from each of his fights. That's why he went in the number one, ranked guy, and now he gets to compete for a million dollars. Again, Sean O'Connell had himself quite a ride as well. Welcome to the show. Welcome back to the show Vinny how you doing. Treadmill. Sure. Again, for Goodman's just like home right now, schilling and getting ready for breakfast at three thirty eight. Did any of the practice you just had to fight sick day off. Today off Sunday. Saturday. So one day off, take two days off yet to opponents. I don't have to. I don't need to. So I just training Vinnie. Did any of those Comores also result? Did you hear any stretching tearing or breaking? 'cause men? It was really hard to hard to watch. Not because anybody was in my way, but just because you could tell your opponents were in a lot of pain and the torque you had on those Comores was something else. I did go like full speed on those moves. It's one of the of Yasser with you. Guys didn't have said before. We don't get there like injure injure, like all upon. It's like non my at all. You know, I don't want to be hurting people, but I don't want him that I was. I was actually told by directories, which is the only go to some mission to have guys up, and that's pretty much what I did. And all those guys had top dollar. Maybe like three times before the rest expect in and I had to keep hold this mission. So yeah, there's an, I have been a little bit of damage there, special, Rick him, but I gotta Susil eager just a little just four fertile for like we could see, but nothing just Sears though. All right. Well, you may have had the easiest night of all of the four finalists for PF l. eleven. So meaning you for sure, had an easier night over Sean O'Connell he had to do a lot to get to to, you know, the eventual final dance named sheltie had a war with Chris Wade and Rashid Magomedov he may have had, you know, number two easier night, but it's, you answered another one of my questions. You got out of their injury free. That's great. You're already going to be a practice today. That's great. And it seems like every time we bring up the money, you're not even focused on the money. You're just focused on the task at hand, and the rest is just one of those things where your Bank account just keeps filling up, but I'm glad that against you haven't been too consumed with that. No, I would be. Why did you make that woman dollars an outlet? You know, it's not a big dish, but you know halfway through this whole teams deities, it's going to be really cool able to go there. It like five wins in a role and within a months spirits, the hope of side just to covert the whole idea of like make that much money of course and all that I win this whole thing. Five win. The role have title, then I'm gonna realize, well within like, you know, everything called mind. That was great. I also made a woman in dollars, so the end of it, the mine is accounted from. You just got that dish drive going on again and I wanted to belt man, you know, that's like something. It's remotivate at this point right now. Even the mine of course, like, like I said, we have planted realize how much have made but is the belt that one right now. Vinnie ridiculous question before I turn it over to the coast and they're gonna ask you more serious questions. Just this past weekend. My buddy said, super lotto or something. Mega bucks is at six, fifty four. If I win, I'm gonna pay. You guys buy guys a house. You know, we're just dreaming in text chat or whatever. It was fun. But one question that is comes up is if you win, you know, there's a scenario, hey, give it to me all at once minus some sort of a fee that obviously takes care of the the lotto people and and taxes or over twenty years. I'm not gonna ask you that. But what I want to ask you is, would you if you win this money? Do you just want to settle the taxes right then? And there are you one of those guys wait to the end and then turns it all over to an accountant figure out you want your cold heart million. I'm the hundred ten. Sure. It's like all my way back from California yesterday was talked to my wife and it was, you know, gonna be making like crazy. Gonna gonna be building crazy ideas over these realities after like taxes management fees and trainer training season all that, you know, you didn't really make that much money and Jalis like. It's not something that's going to be getting like woman dollar paychecks is not up for fight you another map, dad, my Gregor like check so I can have like, you know, phasing plants, the whole have an accountant. So like I'm gonna talk to him sit out to like with him. And you know, I really like made this amount of money like up to this point with the winning my mature burglaries and fights winning this week. And so it's like I'm ready to sit down with my count and just sorts make plans for things betting on getting that big bond is going to do something that I'm going to have speech more with it. And again, like if I keep winning five away win right now, I have two years of fighting. So why not do like a two other scissor DFL and make more become more dollars, you know? So who knows it all those teams right now, they're already committed the season two for sure. I'm sure a lot of people are going to be wanting. To get into those tournaments. And by the way, all my troubles that I've had with the IRS. I think I'm letting them get his share right then and then then he's got the right. He's got the right mindset for it. All richer, hunter. You wanna go next on the phone booth fighting podcasts. We got anymore relies on, you know, it's, it's been really interesting to watch. I mean, not only the talent PF l. but the tournament style and the the way that the different guys have started with that. And you know, I had thought watching you this weekend that you know the imitate tournaments are. That's a throwback thing. That's something that we haven't really seen very much in in recent years. But would you being so involved in jujitsu in tournament styles? Is that something that has helped you in terms of the mindset, the pacing, that sort of thing compared to maybe a guy who's mostly just concentrated on on MA in this whole fight? Multiple times in a night thing would would really be foreign to them that helped you. What you know different, you know, it's funny. 'cause there's a some pressure, my coaches with the whole holy, oh, we should be chaining like how should books more on these than that. And I'm like, I mean, you guys are, you know, have guys around have all these great ideas and all that that like I have twenty plus years of experience, even more experience, some of my coaches and then then like it's different. You know, when I was the backup to the first fight, you know, my mind said it was his famous that have always had like every single tournament was about, you know, rest just enough to relax when the first fight and get back and still warm up for the next one, the right time. And that was the one extra coordinate all those things and had my coaching with his. They helped me out a lot. I know my body on my mind works for, you know, for competition, I know how by the works for competition. So I was to coordinate and when it should get going again for the next fight. When I should be like this fresh now and I'll want him enough to hard, you know, all those things I had like every planned out and everything just like we're so smooth. And to be honest, the second fight like mentally wish much isn't the first one ways. It was just like one of these was what it was going to do. My coach called for one thing Chaz called for one thing just like a good time. Like, you know, move around for the first minutes, like any. My mind is like the first minute I'm going to go there and try to get something done right away. That's like, that's what I have in mind. So like, you know, it's it was one of the things I was doing that I just I could do it, and I got underway on just second, especially I wanted and everywhere upper ended. Again, this whole experience does help if people just started with India and careers and they have never competed before he internment. They gonna through some pressure. They're not gonna do situation from you. There was just like any. Tournament, you know, they're punching involved, but like you know, that made no difference. All right. Dan, Tom, what do you have for Vinnie manga? Lice, Vinnie along the lines of more grappling than MMA recently had an event here in Vegas quintet three. And in the event, one of the main highlights was Gordon Ryan, tapping out Josh Burnett. I was just curious, did you watch the event and also just just your opinion as far as Gordon Ryan and his accomplishments with that being a among the few, I know you are you one of the guys to beat them. I didn't know that do that. They read it results though. And I, I think he's been great man. That is young. Of course it's different, you know if your graph, but you know, then guys have been a lot more complex than him at the same age. There's your suit high, but how were as young as so much? You know, there was the back called Marcelo Garcia that was doing the same thing. Get Nokia when he was nineteen years old, you know. But at time Moore was sport is h time age champion in two time, like black belt world champion you so there guys they can back into doing and we're going to have this is, but anyways, what is there right now? It's like it's pretty impressive. And now he's gonna somebody guys. Wins had like, you know, he didn't go against any like high level. Like we'll flash like grappler database super form, like as like a high level to form, you know the things, even though you're not facing the best guys award as long as you this one of the best in the world. That's what matters and he did so. So it's just one of those things man is impressive. I tell we like what is going to be the next year in agency and things are going really well. We manned up the same way class today is going to win different sport that you've been the same way class. I'm gonna try to beat him again, but he's great. He's one of the past. Awesome. Yeah, I definitely enjoy watching him too, but just just on that same note, obviously you're focuses on PF l. and you doing great. They're obviously Vinnie, but do you have any opinions on quintet's format? And would you see yourself maybe dabbling anything like that down the road for yourself? It's funny because like I was just Eddie the other day, like nobody else like my blackballing daddy Bradley in Noguchi suit. And he vitamins before of the team for the next the next to them. But like I told him, I, I'll do it as long as there's nothing. There's no conflict with my fell schedule. You know the Fitch after the final deal. If it's, you know, bid three inches like last year, I just had to the next one ten one when it is. Like I said, so maybe like full reach before five report on my able to NT close and dash. It's not worth it, but revived it in definite loves joined the team. You know, I feel like all I, it's fair for me to join Kim planet for the fact that I'm actually I've been playing guy. You know, I've got my black one edgy probably I usually system to for mayo where they got like five guys that which I think only two of them action train together in the same camp. But you know, I would love to compete Malik before that older mind being the guy doing back to back matches for him planning, just like, and again, those winds right now. It's for music. Nothing but fell nuts. That's the. In fact, Eddie told us kind of about the similar what you just told Dan about that conversation. They said they needed someone to counter his name is Craig Jones. So so yeah, definitely. I think he's looking to pencil you in two thousand nineteen after PF l. I've been among allies is our guest here on MA junkie. Radio goes, we have Vinnie. Then he in watching your run here with PF l. a. lot of people have used one where that I hear over and over there saying how easy you've made it look and I know you've done a great job, but can you maybe point during this run of the four guys? Is there anything that's out from one of them in particular, one of them feel stronger than you thought he would or hit harder than you thought he would make it look like? It wasn't so easy for a second for us. I don't want to sound like like, do she Akaki? But. All these fights so far so far up into the semi-final fight. I haven't taken any hit. So you know, for me to saying, well, this guy giving we'll here and there that wasn't up into the semi-final with a mid a little mistake when I wanted to rub regard and they could have just held him there for a little bit like worked my submission. But then I got little short. You rush into an armour when let go the lead washer up. I a couple of hermit fish. He actually made a million hearts. One of Horace hit. I've never taken from from art from guard, but they as you guys saw, didn't make a whole lot of difference from there, but that was one of maybe like two, two more through more of the shots could have put me out. We're just looking at least got him to, you know, getting all trouble. So besides the first three through five, I think that was the one that really, you know, could have put myself in a bad spot. But then again, you just. This is the fights. So that was a much of unusual for up to point. My dishes have been doing training camp in now. Now the the all these camps are these camps are being over the first fight. I had an elbow injury, second, five shoulder for just last fight. I got a few Uber gonna cold at fight me. So all this been going through and I'm not saying even though I'm getting like, you know, cold shoulding and shooting like three forty four sessions a day, like just went through all these. Like, you know this craft, but I, you know, I get into results from them. You know, I'm getting like in a good way. You know, not just moneywise, but you know it was all one just by did because then like that I'm giving. George said, we would stop asking stupid questions. He lied. I'm about to ask you what I think maybe a dumb question, but I don't know your competitor, so you never know. But with this, this run that you've had been basically perfect all first round finishes. I know winning the money winning the belt. That's all number one. But is there a piece of you that would like to try and continue that streak as well? As I said, that's the that's being detain all I do. I. As one of the people I was going to say, what is that? It'd be the reason why you shouldn't hamp or that's an excuse. Here's the thing I've won that big tournaments wanted without chain for it to by that up to you guys before I won't world as abound down one extreme so much. I trained professional athlete for financial sport and what happened. I went to went there for the weekend. Got sue gold medals for to magic submissions. Now won't play against me. And lately I was just fighting based on. I was, you know, I'm like, I moved on palladino like you don't win. This titles is an angel paddles, like being top guys sport in sport, like g. switches, stuff through to do and with don't have have for a long time. I've just been relying on my talent and my talent is while today's man, let's does you. Guess. Now I was just wrong. My fat and national somehow made me leave even about chain to like, well, just they shave in okay shape, and I turned a little bit over fine. So I just change the mindset completely in August. You know what? I have no definite tack. The why not now put like extra hard work and like I've been telling Ray and like, you know, my managers like I usually nobody at work. Now there's nobody like three or four sessions day and all that heart sessions. There's nobody being that. That's gonna be rough, my body with my body, but I know that was gonna. You're gonna get there. I'm going to have the best head of other everyone. I'm not gonna get tired. I know there's going to be strong. The news won't affect gonna have that Houston. So why not try to my game and to what I do best. But that's board on my way. 'cause I, I've changed my mindset more than anything else. Hey, man is paid off. He'd been a beast. In fact, if the PF in call it a regular season and playoff taking a cue out of the NFL and the NBA you have every right to tweet them, hey, so who's the regular season MVP. Do I get a bonus or what? Because I can't think of anyone that's had maybe a better year than you've any all finishes, making it look easy, staying injury, free, congrats dude, hope you have a safe camp all the way to December. And of course we'll be tuning in for PF l. eleven you. Shana calls can be great one. Thank you. Foam fact, I'm not even I know shop like ten years, but he tried but fighters, but I couldn't make it in the house, but lost Shane frame like on those illumination fights. But you know, it's a full circle mat ten years later. Now we are, you know, five women involved. It's actually pretty cool. Have folded listener final, but it's all finishes. It lasted the fantasy. So now thinking back some of have space for it and that's Sean right on my man. All right. Well, hey, thank you very much for your time as always and good. You know, like I said, good luck with the camp and everything of sure. We'll see you throughout these next sixty days. We'll talk to you soon. Right? But. That's not been Bush. It took every. We're gonna take a quick break folks, and then we'll be back with Michael Chandler. It's enemy junkie radio on vite nation, challenge three. Char- compassion, common sense. These guys have none of that. You listen to him so you're no better. I am awesome though. They are Courtous towards and goes today, fantasy football reaction, Monday on fantasy sports radio here, complete recap of week and fancy football call in talk about your favorite team, whether you want to brag about a victory or need a shoulder to cry on in defeat. And if your game is undecided here preview. Tonight's Monday night football match between the forty Niners and the Packers from the fantasy football perspective live Hennessy football reaction right now on fancy sports radio series to ten x seven and streaming on your phone or at home on connected devices in speakers. What could they give me a longer read or what? Yeah, that was pretty long. Yeah. All right. Our next guest, it's all set man. Michael Chan that we had heard obviously that he resigned with bell tower and we knew that him in primis. We're going to lock up at some point, but now we have an actual date to circle. On the calendar for this big event. It's pretty cool because bell towards have back to back fights in Honolulu, Hawaii on December fourteenth and fifteen. The first of the two is called bell tower and USO present salute to the troops. The main event that night is Michael Chandler's Brett premiss also on that card so far. Probably the combing Frank. MIR havi, yellow joining us. Now on the hotline is Michael Chandler, what's up Chandler? How're you doing. What's up boys? I'm doing great. How are you? Great, man. Thank you. Thanks for asking. Well, it's great to see you now have an actual date to circle on the calendar. Love watching your videos. They're very motivating. I knew you had a free agency period earlier this year spring and summer. That's all said and done. But, but frankly, I was like, come on, let's get these two back in that cage. You know, you and premiss been wanting to see this fight since last year when it went down. The first one went down. It's nice to have everything. Everything kinda ink, you know, getting the getting the new deal Doma Bill tour, and then you know, I knew about this fight for a little while, you know, December fourteenth number December, fourteenth date and all that. Obviously, I was going to be good employees and keep it under wraps until it was finally announced. So I was it was a breath of fresh air to get it out there announced. 'cause I've been excited man ever since I heard Hawaii. You know, salute the troops present in the USO I knew had something cool up their sleeves, but you know they're good promoters and that's that's exactly how they get things done. They, they don't speak in leak things until it's it's really finally done, and I'm done. I'm ready to go out there and get my belt back to super fourteen in embedded is why did we seem to go through a period though when you had already resigned where looked like you weren't as interested in the belt? Was that just kind of like a smokescreen, the throw us off. If think it was after frady one, and he was asking for a shot at the same time, both you and premiss were exchanging messages that said, hey, I signed not waiting for you to sign this that or whatever. What what was all that about now? Now, the funny was I haven't said a word or anything to so called champion. He, you know, he was. He's trying to put on this the shod in the steak. You know this fake narrative that. He was waiting on me to sign a contract through the matter was there was no contract, and then you know, after tricky one beat Roger, who wear the very, very indecisively for the first round, almost lost to Roger worked on the first round. I'm getting touched up and beat up pretty bad. And then you know, luckily whether folded but you know, and then when he said he wants to title, I said, go ahead. You can have it away while you grab it like I don't want to. I don't need the bell nor nor did I. I don't care to fight premiss you know, fighting fighting brash previous does nothing for my career. Nobody knows who he is, you know? So for me, I just want big fights. What the belt of course do. I care who I do, I fight to to to win that belt. No, not really. I will say I, I would prefer not to fight for tricky pit bull for a third time and finish. Finish the trilogy of me, crushing him for a third time, not many times crushed by a guy and then get a third track Adam. So I don't know why he thinks he deserves to fight me again. So it's just an interesting kinda microcosm there in military, lightweight division, either way. You know, I'm recent. I got, you know, supplies, bell tower, and I'm gonna go out there and on the phone, some great great shows fans just like always have Michael Chandler's. Our guest here on h on radio, he'll be locking up with Brent premiss at a on December fourteenth at the Blaisdell center in Honolulu, Hawaii, bell tower and the USO present salute to the troops. All right goes, what do you have for Michael Taylor? Michael? Is this the most upset you've ever been at an opponent before? And if so, how'd you manage your emotions? Because I've known you for a while and you're one of the nicest people I've ever met. And I know you've got this new son. You've been recently married, like, how do you go from being that happy? Go lucky guy and then get in the gym and turn it up, and then CDs comments from. From Brent like, how do you manage all that. Why think one. Yourself with a one out, how do you manage. Oh. I've been fighting for ten or eleven years. He has eight five. So he has about a. For year track record of the last ten or ten or eleven years? You know, it doesn't one byte per years. Looking at at a guy like myself who since I. I've already had. You can hear him out on us. Yeah. Okay. I think we got to know Jamie down. Yes, but you know, the guy, the guy doesn't even have a track record that has a one fight per year. You know, once per year percentage, you know. So the guy, the guy is just constantly not taking fights guys constantly pulling out of five. I still to this day have been saying that I don't think that I'll fight, you know, rice dream is in, you know, into several, I think he'll end up pull out of the fight and he'll probably get stripped off by someone else. I do not have any faith in himself into the cage. So you know, for me, it is just about my legacy, my platform, putting food on the table for my wife and my son, and I don't care who it is. I'm gonna go out there and you guys, you know, you guys have follow me follow my career. We've, we've been friends for a long time. You guys know I go out there and I'd get after now. It's even now even more even more personal, you know, and it's not personal because of who I'm fine. Bing, it's personal because who I'm fighting four, and that's just how it is. And I'm just excited to go out there and lay this latest controversy to rest, you know. So we'll see. A win here would make you guys even would you even entertain the possibility of third fight. Man, I'm tired of rematches title. Rematch is the only the only rematch I want is I would love that any. Our s trilogy. Obviously, that's a fight that every single every single enemy fan on the planet wants to see. That's the only trilogy I'm interested. That's the only rematch I'm interested in. You know, if I when I got there and I finished rent prequel in the first round in December, I think I think he's going to. He's going to be asking for a rematch of course, but rice doesn't. I don't think price deserves a rematch it'd be honest with you. So we'll see if bell when I finish him in in Belgium. Five again, I'll do it for third time, but I, I would. I wasn't Alvarez trilogy and we'll see. We'll see what happens. Robert Hunter. What do you have by the way? This bid is fantastic. Michael, just make this suggestion. Maybe during the lead up to fight week itself, work in calling him rance pre-bus at some points down. Commissioner the Commissioner of the Republican committee? Yeah, yeah. The former chief of staff to Donald Trump, that'd be a good one. There is no bit. I, I truly don't know. You know what his name is. You guys don't. You actually call him primis and everybody else thinks premiss or premise. I think you also call them Brett and then other people call Brenton Brent. So when you're that when you're that irrelevant and you make yourself that irrelevant because you don't fight enough for people to know even the media, the mainstream media image junkie. Radio doesn't exactly know what your name is. That's that's sad. So I feel for been in that in that regard, but we'll see. This is good stuff Michael, you know you talk about his inactivity and that kind of leads me into this question. You know, while while he's been inactive, you twice, you've got a couple of wins. Do you feel like maybe going into this, obviously, you would have liked to have had this fight when it was originally scheduled, but while he's been on the couch, watching you go out and get a couple of wins, you think that's probably something that plays a little bit in his head that, hey, I've been inactive since last time I face Michael Chang. And I've, I've had to sit watch him, go out and get a couple of victories. You think is a little bit of a psychological advantage there. Absolutely. I mean, since since he and I thought number one number one me going out on my shield and telling the whole world that I want you to cut my leg off, so I could finish the fight that day to me way more followers way more respect than he got that night. Then fast forward two months later when I'm calling him out to fight him in October November, December, and he's on maternity leave all the while. I adopt a brand new baby and get thrown into parenthood, and I still go right into training camp dole out there and demolish one of the top prospects in Bella tour in the beltway division right now in going, and then turn right around in seven weeks later in Finnish, Brandon Gertz in the first round. I've been nothing but active and constantly getting better not to mention, signing, signing the biggest contract and Bella tour history back in now in June, just to two months ago. And now. Here. I am begging for this fight, and now he should be thanking me once again for another one getting the seven. Occasionally number two, affording him the opportunity to take his family on vacation because part time fighters don't have the finances nor the opportunity to take their family to beautiful place like Hawaii, so he can thank me for that as well. So I mean, yes, I think it must be tough seeing seeing everything on the sidelines, but you gotta remember, that's just who he is. He's a part time fighter. I hope he's a part time data part time husband part time, co worker part time, everything. I hope he's I hope he following through and other areas in his life. But we know in fighting mixed martial arts, he's part time and he was he was he had a fourteen month layoff the last year in June, whenever I fought him, he hadn't thought and step in the cage for fourteen months because of an injury, and now it's going to be eighteen months. So one fight in thirty two months is absolutely ridiculous. And that's just that's. It's just it's got to be. Tough sitting back and wishing I mean, the guys what happened over six with KEB even Connor. And then two days later, fifty cent talking about Bella tour and offering them offering them all this money. Not one time was it mentioned that people wanna see Khabib fight Bryant's pre-bus not once. Was there a mention of him fighting anybody else in Bella tour besides Michael Chandler? So that must that must stink. You know, it's, it's, it's all part of it man, and and you know, I love the sport. I love to be respectful of everybody. I'm fighting. I respect everybody, but this is just something I'm excited to put the bed and put him to sleep in the first round. Let me just ask you quickly because the mention of free vacation factors into my other question. My my broadcast partner, Frank MIR is going to be on the card with you, and I just happened to be at the MIR house. When news of the Hawaii booking was announced and boy, MS. His mirror was happy. Normally she dreads these fight camps. I think she wanted to leave next week and just do the whole fight camp out there. So how did that announcement play in the Chandler household? Because this is an exactly getting booked in Iowa somewhere for a fight or Thakur village. Yeah, that, yeah, yeah, especially with Bella doesn't always do the best. You know the, the biggest invest venues. I mean, they've been doing awesome ones lately, which is awesome to see that growth of the Belot organization. But when you talk about Hawaii and you talk about partnering up the USO you talk about fighting near Pearl Harbor. Do you know when you talk about hidden when you talk about Herod ice, you know, I, it's absolutely awesome. And yet we have, we have a couple days set aside afterwards to enjoy. Obviously from the moment I get there till the moment I finish Ben p Mus I will be there working, but as soon as I get done, you know, we're going to blossom steam and enjoy and enjoy Hawaii. And like I said, you know, I. I'm proud of him for getting this opportunity and he can thank me for for helping him get to get his family on a vacation because he's not going to be able to do it fighting once every two and a half years. Like he's. Michael Chandler's. Our guest here on EMI junk radio. He will be challenging Brett premiss for the lightweight title onto some fourteenth in Honolulu Hawaii. The name of this card is bell tower in the USO present, salute the troops and Brenton you're listening. I hope it's premiums. That's what I've been calling you. Don't worry. I miss. I choose name is all the time to the child or to. I asked that and I was forget. I think it's, yeah, but yeah, but, but he's, he's, he's a fight promoter. You know, he's supposed to be the guy behind the guy. You know, when you're talking about being Belot or lightweight champion talking about you're talking about being the world champion of of an organization that fights worldwide, and globally broadcasted worldwide, and people don't know what your name is. If they either Brett Brent Brandt or dreams, primis previous, whatever it is. That's sad. And you know, you can call it a bit. You can call it what you want. I just caught the truth and I call it unfortunate. Our final is Dan, Tom, got some for you, Dan. What do you ever Michael Chandler? Hey, Mike, you're. You're talking about one end of the spectrum as far as a world champion who has a name that's kind of hard to pronounce. Now another another name of that spectrum. I think competing mog Mehta fits that as far as he's world champion. He's getting interjected until a lot of the conversations obviously is a hard name to pronounce. But since he brought him up, I want to ask him because I feel like we're getting a lot of interesting takes on computer Mogomedov. I feel like there's no question that he's a great fighter. He's a dominant fighter. He's getting that respect from fans media and fighters. But when it comes to lightweight fighters and more specifically fellow light wrestlers Kevin Lee where like yourself, I find that you guys have the most interesting opinions on on could be, can you? Can you break down on maybe why we think you so great or why maybe you think he's not so great? I think I think I'm very good friends with Michael Johnson in after I watched him that Michael Johnson fight. I, I had it in my head that one of the one of the closest unbeatable fighters in the. Was could be Ramada metal, and then just a couple months later, watching him kind of fold under the pressure and get a little flustered against ally. Keith, who I've Spar with alva- friend of mine, we share the same management him and I've trained a lot house a tough p puzzle to crack. But you know, we, he showed winked weaknesses in that fight. He showed chinks in his armor. He showed being flustered and taking shots from two miles away. And when he can't get the takedown, he gets hit and he gets hit hard. Now, we also saw him, you know, wing a big overhand, right, and drop Connor. We also we also saw Connor kind of kind of hold onto the that pressure that could be can bring, but man, when you talk about guy, Kevin Lee, you talk about guy like myself. And I think my wrestling is far superior to Kevin lease just in whatever -ccomplish in the in the my wrestling career, as well as in my mixed martial arts career, I think there's only one man on the planet that could that can compete. We compete with beaver Mogomedov in the lightweight division in the world. Every everyone else. When you talk about hand to hand combat, when you talk about skill versus skill when you talk about mental fortitude versus mental fortitude, I truly believe that I'm that guy who can beat them. I think over the next two years he will fight, you know, once a year as soon as all this, you know, backlash comes from from the US to twenty nine stuff whenever that stuff's figured out. And then you know, it's going to be extremely interesting. You know, whenever he gets kind of close to the end of his contract or I do mine, you know. So it's gonna be interesting. All right. I saw that you posted something to that effect in a lot of. New. A lot of people were, you know, coming at you, the one thing that's out to me though was you, you gave your number one reason for resigning with bell tour because a lot of people, first thing they said was white guy that you won't fight. You stated, hey, you know, I had to think about my family and I'm getting paid well over here. But I guess my question just to all that would be pay respect, man. You getting paid by bell toward and you know, Cording to you're either highest paid or one of the highest paid. But at the same time, I guess, why would you consume yourself with someone that might not be in the organization? And I wanted to be two part question because I really wanted to see you out res- as well. All right. Whether he came to you or you went to him, you know, at the time he was UC. Now we're hearing he might be with one championship or he might be sending one championship. So is it just to like let the world know Michael Chandler still here? I'm a bad ass or whatever or because you just know that we're going to push back on you. You know for the fact that you're, you're not in these organizations where you can fight these. Different individuals you got? Well, that's and that's fine. And people can call the call out. I don't call the call out. I call it an observation and I call it an assertion. I simply said, I think I'm the only guy in the lightweight division on the planet that can be could be reminded meant Maga metal. I didn't say, hey, could be, let's fight, you know, November at Madison Square Garden. I made the surgeon and I made I made a statement and I let everyone else pick it apart whether they like it or they don't like it. Now there was a lot of people. There was a lot of people who said the same thing because that's what people like to do. They would like to point out the obvious. Well, why would a guy where one organization quote, unquote call out the other guy from the other organization. But once again, I wasn't calling him out. I was making surgeon and I truly, I truly believe that. So there was a ton of people both all over my social media all all channels as well as direct message people from Russia people from dagga STAN, that we're actually very complimentary of me and think that I am the only guy. That can belong from from multiple Denver. The Russians even the Russians using around? Yeah, no, of course. I mean, there's, I mean, there's fellow countrymen that don't necessarily like to be, you know, I mean, especially when you just respect, you disrespect your country or your religion like that. I mean, he, you know, obviously the MO, the Muslim, the Muslim culture is is not what he displayed, you know, and as well as the the Russian culture, you know. So there's a lot of people that weren't exactly happy about that, but I think I don't have a problem with what he did. You know? I mean, he was standing up for himself and there was a there was a dude in the, you know, encounters corner trying to trying to provoke him. But you know what I mean? So so with that, yes, I made the best of the best businesses decision I can with the information that I have and I'm not trying to be. I'm not trying to be what everybody wants me to be on trying to be the best businessman in MMA because as soon as I'm done, as soon as I hang up the gloves, people are going to be on the next big thing. And all this going to matter is how much. Money I made for myself and my family and guys, let's be honest. Let's let's keep this into perspective. Yes, I did just signed a deal with Bella tour, but it wasn't a lifetime deal. It wasn't a ten fight deal. It wasn't even an eight fight deal it. It will not carry me till the end of my career. There will be more contracts being signed. I am still a young fighter. I'm thirty two years old, but I feel like I'm twenty two years old. I'm the biggest biggest fastest invest. I've ever been in my entire life. So therefore I can't imagine declining and skills so much to where there's not going to be some great great opportunities opportunities for some ridiculously good matchups not to mention the fact that to be getting offered two million dollars by fifty cent. Not to mention the fact that Balladur's constantly and ever in the roster every volving bringing bringing in, not just great talent, great people over the hill. But now Ryan Bater who's in the finals of heavyweight, grand prix, who was number four in the on the UFC roster in the entire world when he signed with Bella or same thing with Phil. Davis. Same thing with a lot of these guys. So you know to think it's out of the realm of possibilities that could be is going to be a Bella tour fighter in the next year and a half to two years at only thirty thirty years old right now, you're a little bit ignorant to think that there's not. There can't be some switching of these rosters and the next and the very, very near future right on. All right. Well, first things first, December fourteenth, that's your next fight. Like you said in paradise goes, we win for some credentials for that one. I'm win. How about now? Yeah, you got through man's paradise. But in the meantime, congrats on signing the lucrative extension and hopefully Bela Tor does their part in starts bringing over some quality lightweights for you to face. I want you to face premise and then have some things go your way that night. Some quality title defences. And and then I guess when it's time to revisit. Free agency again, like you stated, this might be one of the shorter ones, then we'll talk with them. But in the meantime, haven't saved camp out there in Florida, and and you know, save travels a Hawaiian. I guess maybe we'll see in a couple of months in the law. That sounds good. Yeah, low high and yes on weren't enough where there's gonna be some some big stuff happening. I believe in in the next the next couple of months. So keep keep an eye out for for big signings rebel and I'm and I'm very excited about. All right, Chandler. Thanks time. I got. She got to sue. All right. We gotta take a break. When we come back, we'll do some calls and I'll give you my PF l. nine, right recap. I was out there in Long Beach. I really had a great time since they close and don't touch that. Taught Andy, Griffith. How to whistle here are gorgeous. Jordan goes. All right. Soccer fans don't miss the US men's national team in action tomorrow night as the Yanks take on Peru in an international friendly coverage begins at eight PM eastern on Sirius XM FC one fifty seven or streaming on your phone or at home on Susic connected devices and speakers. Richard hundred from the phone booth. Biting podcast is our coast today fall him on Twitter, average hunter and check out the podcast. He along with Frank. MIR dropping twice a week. Good. I tunes that's why subscribe and you wanna leave them a review so that they can get, you know, their rating just just like all of us. We ask you for those five stars or at least try and be fair as you can, but leave us, oh man, it really really makes a difference with that whole. I tunes algorithm appreciate that. This one, right. I don't know. You'll have time. Got to play the music at some point. So you have like a little less than you think you do. I see. All right. Let's go to Kevin in Chicago. What's up Kevin, how you doing. What's up guys saw one if you saw Ryan Bater his win, and I saw a lot of people saying that it was it was boring. Oh my gosh. So boring in the crowd was doing the Twitter was all saying, oh my gosh, no wonder they cut Ryan Bater so boring. He's fighting the guy who knocked out there. Louis in one punch. One of the most leading dangerous strikers had heavyweight, and they're all crying and surprise at. He took uses wrestling takedown Michio own pretty much dominating the whole fight. That's wanna get your thoughts on that. What you thought about the fight because I just can't believe some of these fans even heard one fan saying they need to get rid of wrestling together, limited wrestling from this word. Yeah, that's my today guys perfectly Kevin. He's he's a smaller guy taking on the bigger guy. How can you complain about what the great game plan? Because you can't throw his with Michio and imagine if you lose how much kick yourself. These are the same people that probably watch rocky three and go. Can you believe rocky? Didn't wrestle with thunderlips. Oh, did was use his striking come on guys. It's a very minor reference. Sorry, it's very minor group, but it's a loud vocal group, especially on fight night. They come out in droves of very uneducated vans. It's, you know, I I would say Kevin. Pop open a beer and just have a good laugh at scroll as fast as you can and just either create a list of the hardcore fans that you know, you can have great interaction with or just learn how to scroll and let's you wanna learn how to learn, but to start blocking a lot of people do that. But I, it gets old. And so what I find myself doing just scrolling and smiling and just not paying attention and not to say that I've never gotten caught up in it because I have, but but yeah, she'd never gonna get anything really great from them. It's also the great thing about mixed martial arts is that it's such a variety. You know you from all over the course of an entire card from one fight to the next. You don't know what you're going to get every time. I mean, sometimes you do because predictable style matchups but there were knockouts on that card. You know, you don't wanna see that every fight, maybe, but I think it is nothing. It's fun to watch somebody who is that elite. The execute that kind of clinic and see somebody trying to solve that riddle and just not being able to do it. I wouldn't want that gong Vader entailed and never have that regret to wonder how would have done if I had just competed at one of these grand freeze, great grand prix or fight away class above or whatever. So all right, we have committed to about five to ten minutes of overtime. Thanks for the call. Kevin. Stay away from those trolls. We'll just gone for like thirty seconds and we'll be back with some overtime. Siriusxm audience. You will get more combat sports, entertainment your way. And if you wanna catch us catch overtime, sometime it's YouTube dot com. For slash junkie video. They close. Steve. Thanks. Most banks would be on one. Indiscretion, almost guys have overtime, big shot out to DJ quest five sixty two Kate Don Piccolo in our YouTube chat. Buco rules. Tea is in there as well. Of course. Danny ochre hookah rules that boo. Boo road rules. I don't know. Chill, Joe Dante overs kind kinda sorting things out in that child as well. Pavel Garcia. Thank you very much for hanging with us here in that chat room, our guy. So I went to Long Beach to PF l. nine and had a really, really great time. Thanks to PF l. for facilitating those that give away that we had all the guys that went. They got their their lanyard said p. they had a gold little risks respond along with the ticket. And so they were like an area there with others that kinda had the same deal, and they can find the arena kind of cut it in half. But it was seemed like a good turn out to meet priorities a couple more hundred really, really fill it out. But the crowd really pop when it was necessary. But in that group though of PICO, they got free, drink free, booze Chand renewed, and had gourmet food that all these sliders out there and sushi. So those guys were living it up. So again, can't think the PF l. enough for making. That happen. I was press row. I kind of went back there for a couple of fights. Hang out with the guys, but I was pressed row and I had a great time man, you know, see Yves Edwards and Randy couture and boss route, and they'll wanna come back on the show and bosses. Now the president of bare knuckle. One of the bare knuckle organizations got some big announcements to, you know, regarding Randy and eve coming up as well. But just seeing a lot of people saw Jake Ellen. I saw Ben Saunders never been Saunders guys kind of have a little bit of an issue with Ellen Berger interview that we had done. And so I saw him earlier in the night. We had a great conversation for about ten fifteen minutes. I really told him, I go, listen, manigault. I'm gonna come clean. You're right. I did go to Afghanistan with Jake for about almost two weeks. So yeah, I mean, are we at each other's house every weekend? No, of course not. But yeah, he's one of the fighters that I guess I'm a little closer to because of that experience like told me, went back and listen to an interview, and so we were able to talk it out and all that. And then after that, it was really, really, you know, cordial. Understood. He understood. Yeah, yeah. Okay. And but I, I, I love the feedback because if in fact that you know something happened that is unprofessional than we want to go back, look at it and at least own it. I don't think we've ever had a problem on. Yeah, we were Dick's you know what I mean? If we've ever been accused of, hey, acting out of order whatever. But it was one that I took the time to. It was an interview that took the time to check out and I think he had more more of an issue with some other stuff, Tom guy. No, no, actually. So anyways, ourselves in I even saw Jake later on a lot of people in the on his off. So many fighters come out, feel Davis was Corning fighter. I think it was. Sorry, Onny or the the Argentinean guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was. He was is corner. So there's a lot of fighters coaches in the different corners for this event, Long Beach, asandra hill. Meta guy named Anthony from shirt. Dog really cool dude as well. So we were showing. But overall, I gotta tell you. PF l. obviously can tweak some things. Take one of these yellow pads. You know, hey, we could do this better. We can do that better. But honestly, it seems like they've really nailed some of it. I'm still in the fence on the first round, which is five minutes, two times two rounds. If it ends in a tie the winner, the first round that he that's the tiebreaker right? Because when I saw it, I saw Nate Newton, Solti win the first round against case, but then not that he was in cruise control, but he also wasn't as aggressive as he wasn't the first. Of course, anybody is. This probably will will go. He's taking advantage of that. But what I mean is what we want is we want to solid around fighting case was trying to put it on them, but it did. He did. He wasn't able to get it. They were using two thousand seventeen rule so that ten eight was in play. All right. And we'll get to that in just a second. But I'm just wondering I had this discussion with some other people there and I wanted to discuss with you guys. What would you think if they just did round one round two. If we need someone to move on and we can't go to around three because you're only limited to twenty five minutes to work in one night. What if the side of the judges also have to turn around turn in who won the overall fight based on what pride used to union, which was the overall like you may have one round one, but boy, it was a ten, nine squeaking, yeah, and goes me of one round two, but I was on the verge, giving them a bomb gonna give it to goes. You see what I'm saying? And you're only gonna use the overall score as a backup, right? Only if they need it. Right. So good idea. And I was thinking that instead of the ten eight and a couple of guys were like, yeah, feeling fist-bump cover like, well, I kind like it the way it is. Would you think damn. Yeah. I like that. I didn't think about that. I thought about how they did it, and it was kind of confused me at first because I was just kinda learning as they didn't. You know, I, I guess I grazed over that part of the rule, but here's why the argument and maybe we'll have race f or someone on there as their line of thinking, like most of the rules in sports for entertainment or gas. Gambling or entertainment for the most part because entertainment leads the gambling, right? They wanted to be more entertaining. So I think that the fear of people trying to conserve and try to win rounds go now you don't need points. Now we taking the point thing where where the regular season and the points was kind of encouraging people to get finishes before, right? That's how they would encourage not just winning for the million, but they're doing their jobs while the fighter of being entertaining. So I think making that first round worth so much that if you have a more tentative guy or game planning guy or a guy who's maybe gonna lose control frames, you know, from frame to frame with wrestling sodas, big, we just had Kevin skull may. That's their way of combating that were put, put the pressure cooker. So like we'll Brooks and Rashid Mogomedov both those guys are slow burners. They, they don't get going around three, but what was cool in even though it really didn't help it. We still ended up getting ridiculously close contest between those two, but it was cool because if you if you pay attention to those guys fighting styles in their defense, they came out much more urgent in round one than you normally see. We'll Brooks Rasheed Maga Mogomedov get still made for a ridiculously close fight. That was hard to judge, but I got on there. Thinking, I like your idea better though. I just say I like your idea a lot. I also like the idea though of incentivizing the first round for for fast start. So I'm not necessarily opposed to that just a quick side question though, because I was wondering this watching it, do you happen to know what they go to? If that doesn't work? Like if the first round is so close that to judges? No. Well, let's say two judges scored at differently in the third judge scored it a draw. My God. I do. I have applied into kind of do that, didn't they? They have a drop and they reversed a pick a winner to advance in maybe not this show, but, but I wanna see even Latin even last week show. Matt didn't. If that's the case, then maybe are they going office criteria than with George said whether they're having a judge, the overall fight against your euros, are all situated fix that would've kind of does it all in one? Yeah, you always had sherve. It's happened. I'd have to check with them, but I'm just thinking, I guess the second round could decide it if we do have a ten, nine, ten, nine, ten, ten more just all tendons, and they're instructed, you must give a ten nine. The second round may be could possibly do it, but I don't know. I know Hillary host Copeland bows Copeland was draw. Yeah, and they shows Copeland move forward. Okay, which didn't? Which maybe that'd be twenty how you ever see the NFL where the goal? I, it's a league play, then it's conference play. And then like number eight is the fucking coin flip? Yeah, you know, I don't know. Ray would just flip a coin at the very. The end. But anyway, what goes? I like your idea, but I do kinda like your idea. Thickening, your idea feels like something that eventually maybe people would would get to their ideas. Something that I think kind of caught us all off guard, and I appreciate the fact that they're trying. So they tried it and it seemed like it worked out for the most part. So I wouldn't be shocked if they did it again. But I think yours makes a little bit more sense even you see one was, did you guys know is no time limits, and then at some point, big Johnson, we gotta have time. Yeah, thirty minutes with a five minute overtime, and then they went to tweak into what it is. So PF l. is in their first regular season with playoff, obviously have a history of WF thousand different format. So they'll start tweaking things. But here's one fight where it was a lot of fun. It was the O'Connell spawned fight spont- clearly round one. Why we're all looking at each other pressure Ogle sponsored on. Okay. Yeah, yeah, teamwork, teamwork. And so as we're watching round to, we're thinking, you know, some situations what we thought O'Connell needs to stand up and start hidden because you. You can't guarantee yourself ten a, yeah, you know what I mean? It seems like you're more likely to get the finish. I don't care what kind of ground wizard you are if you have someone heard, but if you're not able to take their backer or Malcolm or whatever. Yeah, then I, it just seems less limited. In fact, I think it was a situation where he was mounted and I'm thinking instead of taking the back just punish. Yeah, right. And see if the ref will intercede. You know, I think that's better than some guys fight off the really really well, hell when Gaston was able to fight off jock right for almost five minutes. Trust me. I mean, there's people that are out there learning themselves. They're submission defense, but regardless then all of a sudden they make the announcement and spawn given us corner. Look like, I got this, you know, like even though we lost round two, we're moving on. And then when they made the announcement, we're all wall, you know, and and OC, which Sean O'Connell fellow series, exempt fire nation, ninety three hosts, his crowd went nuts in the whole play. Wow, you know? But then when we thought about it, okay, I guess I guess are we, you know if all ten Queen creek weeded created equal, that must been it, you know? Yeah, I'm glad. Hopefully. Did you record it. Yeah, I didn't want to go back to that one. I'm glad you brought that up because that example is shows me that the rest are human and they know what's going on every once in a while. The rest are put in a position where they have to make a more of a human job than a reference job. Meaning there was two different ten aids. They know that a million dollars is on the line. They know that there's a weird default rule that's not normally a part of it where we're going to arbitrarily award this million dollar opportunity to guy the first round, but kind of more toward the Japanese style. What George was suggesting who came closer to winning the fight and the judges made that decision. They had the power to, and let's be honest, even though we could dissect around argue that yet there's there's very fair that that could have been a ten. Let's be honest most the time that round doesn't get scored attended no matter what Commissioner show or what state were in another one. I want to mention just just a along those lines. Claudia delivers you wanna j. check one member that fight. And the reason why the second fight was over there is because it was an era Zona because everybody was like, oh, good daily on the. The first one. Now if you want, I'm not going to die the whole fight for you guys. Essentially, it came down to the third round. It was pretty much one a piece and you could argue that Goodell you want because you want to Jay check was having to defend take downs mostly around, right. But at the very end of the round is separation and the bell rings and it's it's one of the more obvious late hits and Delhi was heated, and she does a late hits, Jay chicken. Everybody goes, ooh, and the ref does. The thing like immediately goes to reprimand and Goodell even though she's so heated. It was such a blatant foul that even her motoring rewires and goes, oh, I just fucked up and you see that look on her face her hands. Go up. She goes, I'm so sorry. And if I'm a ref, that's a close fight that's going to do that rounds. Gonna decide the fight. If I'm a huge me more of a human that Aref I may just give that round of u. n. j. check even though Gedalya probably one that round after that bat sportsmanship because it happened after the bell. The referee's not gonna take a point because the the round is over even if it wasn't around with beyond the refugee, doesn't take points anything so becomes up to the judge to decide the winner. And I think the judges, even though you could argue Goodell, you wanna. Fight. They went with Jay check. These little instances, I think just show that judges are human, you know? 'cause there's. Nine times out of ten. Those calls go the other way, but didn't end instance. You're saying you'd be okay with the judge citing with Jim j. check to compensate for the foul. I'm not saying I'm okay with it. I'm just saying that that was the human aspect. Like I'm saying, regardless of whether I would do it in the judge's seat. I would be honest that would cross my mind that will man. I might say, that's what you know. Yeah, right. But otherwise I'd want the guy to judge it off the five minutes of competition. Yep. And whatever comes in late, leave that up to the rest discrepancy struck me, hey, was a point away or whatever, but I'm not to go back and watch that one because I was always talked about a lot. It's narrative as opposed to. Yes, DP. I think saying would dance bond O'Connell we, we can say that the action justify ten, nine, but the narrative, let's be honest. We everybody was written for ten there O'Connell and Rama man. They went at it. It was a great fight. The crowd went nuts and now along Ida fights. But I feel like the crowd, they got that rejuvenation right about then Solti versus Wade had some controversy. They showed Wade stats, and he. Struck Solti by like three to one house. Crowd was like, what the fuck, you know, but all of us again, that either talked about it later or throughout the fight. We all fell out probably wasn't that bad of a call. I don't know if you guys watched it or have an opinion on it, but I thought Solti got himself to ten nine Wade got himself to nine. But again, I'd have to decide for Sea World these strikes came from because if you just get them all in one round, what doesn't matter if you lost the other two, ten, nine, but sheltie advances way doesn't Maga medoff defeated. Tomorrow's Vars advance or sorry, had a second chance because after he lost to Islam, mama, DAV mom could not continue and say, said due to illness yet. He said he was throwing us. Yeah, this throwing up. And so I think if you tied in because I couldn't ask too many questions, I didn't know if that was concussions or what that may have been, but he looked to me after the fight. So you gotta believe it had to be serious for him to walk away from the possibility of fighting for it might opinion it was a chance for a million, but if you think about it, also two hundred thousand dollars win bonus. We're, we're messing around with all the different ways you can look at it those finals. Because we keep saying each guy in the finals is making two hundred thousand. You're really fighting for eight hundred thousand dollar bonus because the constellation they get what we are looking at it on on annals as in you get your fifty thousand for this fight, but you're fighting for two hundred thousand dollars win bonus. You know what I mean? So I, I imagine all this was ran through and and I saw Andy foster make some trips back and forth putting the pieces together, the puzzle that's that might have been what happened maral. My night was really I I really dug it and now they're headed to Washington DC and we'll have another pair of tickets to give away. So anybody in the Washington DC area if you wanna pair tickets, get at us this week because we have a nice set to give you all anyway. Did you guys have any thoughts on online before we turn the pink? I'll just say one thing I I don't know about you guys. You were at the shows. Maybe it's a little different. I watched Tor and design Saturday. And then I did of course, PF l. on TV mainly because the PF l. was in the bigger TV where's on was on the smaller laptop. I will be honest. If I'm going to say where my eyes were going to where my my tension was on most of the night. It was PF l. all by saying that my set up in where I was drawn to very now we'll close daily debate and then that'll be our show for today. Here's the question guys, whose performance in the bell tower anime grant heavyweight, grand prix semifinals was more impressive. Baiter over Mitchell own fater over Sonian go first Richard. I think it's fader without question. I mean that was just, you know, to have a shutdown, a systematic shutdown of somebody that is not only as good as Matt Matry own and his much of a threat as Matt material, but somebody who has made it all the way to the finals and then to say, look like he didn't belong there. It was just a style match up nightmare for him, but to be able to walk away with that kind of dominant. I don't. I don't think there's in question to it's got to be Ryan Vader does. It's a nightmare of a question. If when you're breaking down the fate or fight, you gotta say, all right. Well, what if chill gets him where he. Wants him and he was able to do that a few times. But at the end of the day, it's still a middleweight challenging. One of the greatest heavyweights of all time as where the flip side is Ryan baiters, smaller guy, toning heavyweight, any completely dominated. So I gotta go with Ryan Bater Danzon, man. I can't argue with those points. You know, from the size point of view too, you know the tactics and and and and baiter as a fighter where he's kinda come. And I, I, I've been high on baiter coming into this turnament and I was definitely impressed, but I'll go with Fayed and here's why I think that none of us were really surprised to see that baiter good could out wrestle guy, even a bigger guy like material and wars. I think more of us were surprised as great as fate or is he carries that goat status with many people, especially hard cores from from long years pass. I would argue that the temperament on fate or that it wasn't that high people weren't weren't predicting him to do that well, and I think that he shown that even though he's older that his speed and his his timing, his veteran savvy, all those things are still intact, and it's a very winnable. Grand prix for fatal. I don't. I'm not sure even fatal fans were saying at the start of this. So I'll go ahead and say, yeah, and I, I'm with you too because I'm penciled in is one of the ones that took son in when we broke it down. Okay. Early last week. So yeah, I had baiter advancing Mitchell but also had son, and I thought he'd out that moment where he could get the takedown and stifled fate or and and do it for the necessary to edit three rounds and get out of there. With his hand raised, of course that never happened fate or just look great fate or just knock them down four times. That's why go with. But the masses agreed with Richard and goes, almost eight hundred votes came in baiter and Mitchell on fifty, four percent fade or over sudden forty, six, percents those pretty close. But yeah, you guys get the non there. So that's our daily debate brought to you by the radio team and Richard hunter from phonebooth fighting podcasts. All right, guys, it's time to get out of here. Thank you so much, Richard. Having me anytime with your continued camp, they your navigator. Right? That's upcoming December first summer I was the location. I think we're going to have at at syndicate him in. May I'm going to stay for fuel. Yeah, they, they may go with a bigger venue 'cause there's a big demands. But as right now. At least it's going to be there may move to bigger venue, but let's see on ticket demand. All right. 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TTM 57: R & B

The Black Guy Who Tips Podcast

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TTM 57: R & B

"Better. No. This too much. Hey, welcome to another episode of this too much on the black autists premium podcast network. I your host, right? Joined us always my co host award winning singer best actor in a motion picture nineteen seventy-two best co supporting actress twenty six for fences along with viola Davis Golden Globe winner future VP candidate for twenty twenty and author of the upcoming book. I'm telling the truth, but I'm lying available for preorder on Amazon bars. Noble books a million and inbound is the official step here in of the show bossy API, what's gone on girl. How I'm like to say that I'm no longer appear. Oh, you're out in the clan. I bring moved myself. Wow. To save myself. I didn't want to be consumed. Their lives. I hear you. There's a lot of downs going on right now. And you know, I bought away. I take something before. So don't check it. I'm running a little bit late. And I thought you stood me of it's just a really immature moment. I had. So let's just leave it at that. Okay. Belittled. My morning. This is a recap of NBC's drama. This is an we break down on recaps. So I we had the story of us. We're talking about the invent so the impending staking detail, although I feel like this recap might be short on the recap part because it was very straightforward. So then we got this could be us where we talk about which characters we identified with the most. Then we have is not us is you which character that we would not seeing for or is it's become called lately. This segment is this ain't it. There was a lot of ain't it going around this week this too much. We had a moment where we got a little bit emotional for killing out a little bit angry, whatever we'll talk about that. Then we reach our feedback. We got Ted ten feedbacks today. Okay. You guys are the guys on it, man. It hasn't been that long. We got twenty last week when I was when we. To episodes. So and what about us? We talk about what's going to happen in the future. And I'm talking about the finale what the finale next week like Jesus Christ guys, maybe to come back and interrupt the show some more. I mean, it's over the past seems like every year they sneak up on us with the end of the fucking number settled season. So yeah, that's what we're gonna do today. But I like the star as always with a little bit of, you know, like an overall general opinion from bossy. What'd you think about this episode episode seventeen of season three it was calling R&_B which stands, of course, for Randall in bed or Rodney Bazi? What what do you think about this episode? It was a lot. It was a lot a lot a lot. It. It made me uncomfortable. And when I get uncomfortable because I felt I really felt like I was watching some people argue so I kept trying to distract myself like a lot. I really liked it. I like how they they. They did like a deep dive into the religions because we've been wanting to see this like how did they get together? It's not what I thought at all. I wish we would have seen like between like some point in the seven years because I didn't I didn't know how that was working like seeing how they got together. I have to keep reminding myself that they were actually figure out married, and they are married because I was like these people that's not gonna work. This is not going to work there. Two different. I wanted to see this. We've always wanted to see how they got together their relationship. How it grew? I didn't wanna see like this. I. I thought I would see it on like a happy black abbey. Like revisitation of how we got this. Great black couple that we both stand for and all this shit. And then as they rewrote it Randolph character down like over the past three season is become like, I mean, maybe I don't need to see it anymore. Or maybe when you guys get it worked out, and we'll get to see it. And it'll be like a happy moment of like, oh, and they remembered what they love each other. And it was not that. So this episode as you say it was a lot. I was so overwhelmed. Snow and then like there's a awkwardness of like, I almost like we were deja in kids in another row like over here in our parents, argue and Nash, it was just so so hard to watch men and seemed like they highlighted every disagreement in argument that they've had over the like, however, many years at our marriage and relationship and cordy that. It was hell awkward to watch man. But but it was even worse not worse. But what I was thinking about the the girls they never raised their voice, which is like worse than yelling. Like, they just they were having a con a heated conversation, but they never yelled at each other shit that she was worse. Almost would rather. Like because if you have a knock down drag out argument, there's almost like I don't know there's something to that feels like you can there's passionate or fix it like this. It's like it's like the wind, right? If you're trying to sale where it's like, well, the wind is blowing you know, like, we maybe we can make this ships. They'll somewhere the wind is blowing. But it's like they're just like a gentle breeze. They stuck and stranded in the middle of the ocean. Where it's just like this is off and we going nowhere. So yeah. Yeah. And once again, I have mixed feelings because like low key, this is probably one of my least favorite episodes they've ever done. But they're probably one of the best. You know, what I mean, like if it can fit somewhere in that, you know, I mean like gray area where I'm like, yo they acted the fuck out of this makeup hair was on point great writing like all this stuff. But at the same time like I don't think I'm ever watching this episode again. Yeah. I I was trying to watch it again before we've recorded, and I just found myself like like hitting that thirty seconds button. 'cause I just like I can't go through this again. I can't go through this again. But I wanted to make sure that I got the points. It was definitely a lot. Yeah. It was just it was just so much. Yeah. So much. All right. Well, let's get into this breakdown. And so is basically passed and then like different sections of the past and then up to the present argument. That they're having. You know, it stars stars exactly where we left off with close the door. So they can go ahead and have a fight and Beth basically cuts Randall off and says, no, I'm going I stars to rehome for filled. But while they're talking we basically a bunch of cuts to the past. And so we get their first meeting at the college. They went to which I still don't think I remember what college that is. I'm just like growing up Allen Rapids. Let's call it that. Whatever white college. They ended up going to instead of our. Carnegie Mellon Carnegie Mellon. Okay. So not Howard is more on comedy. We that first time that he bumped into her student registration table thing, which which is pointing because in a way, it was almost like a knowing that they end up together and stuff makes it, okay? It's like oh this Nichols. Being weird. Awkward. You know, he tell goes back to his room after meeting Beth Clark for the first time and tells Kevin about Beth, and I wondered how they were going to do this. Because you know, they they remember told us how they met and Kevin help them meet or something like that. And it was always like how fuck that happened. Well, turns out he literally in the most Randall way possible like called down a friend he called customer service, which would and said how can I get with this girl? What did you think about the scene? You think it was cute or thought it was cute? I remember when they talked about it. So it was fun to see clay out. It didn't. I god. Randall so awkward. A little bit more than that. You know what I mean? Like, I thought they'd be like like he really likes helped like really like Cyrano like really helped him get game. Like, it just seemed like you could done that on your own random. That on your own. He didn't it need fess my game. He didn't put you on the games. Like he really like like he could have just watched like love Jones. You know what? I mean, if he was just going to do it wasn't like I thought it was gonna be like Kevin helped him crack the code of this like this allusive woman. That was just like, you know, he just could never figure it out with. Instead. It was just like a collar on phone say, hi, I'd like to go out like, okay. Yeah. But yeah. So. Any does it does come off in a Kevin way? Because like Rando would not have. Would definitely not have been Serta because he's like we're going now I'm like that's such a Kevin way to put that shit. Randall such a like if you're planning on eating and at a restaurant in maybe we could eat at the same time at a table together. If that was and instead, it was just like we're going out baby. Put on your dancing shoes. So she does say go outside like we can cut a rug yet. Right. If she does say yesterday shop to my man, Nathan, the roommate he might be this. Live vicariously through the relationships lives of other people. Hey, Nathan, it's me. That was my phone. Call. But she did say, yes. And they all like celebrate it together that was so cute. And of course, Kevin only helped him because his metro car was lousy and stuff. He was in class day issues with that because this is nineteen ninety eight and they did have metro card, but most people were using tokens lying. I don't know. Like, I was like just said tokens. Metro cards in light become like wildly implemented or us into like two thousand and one. Where where where the -tective bossy on the case? Okay. You guys try to pull the fast one on us. But you didn't have bossy on show would now look at you. This is us riders looking stupid. So I or maybe it's just white people got metro cars before everybody else, you know. Kevin. So he might charmed. Transit officials. And why do just gave him a metro car for a white? Yes. So he does go on a day of this was also over dole is so adorable. So also like got dammit Rando most awkward first day ever. He shows up in the suit and tie. She shows up, obviously. In college sweater is just shorts like the denim skirt. Right. Like, she's like ready for a light. Maybe we go to a bar and watch a game outfit. And he's like totally like starts Britain news. In a way, only Randolph could do. And he. They he does this thing that I always joke about on the show, and they finally kinda like the last few weeks they've kind of done some stuff this season where they've called people out on like over sharing. But he stars literally with the light. Yeah. I was a doctor by white people because I think she questioned his he said that you like the dance or something like that. And then she was like, no, I thought you'd be you'd cut a rug now to education, he's such an old, man. He's like, oh, it's rather go out and listen to some arm be. From rhythm and blues as the hip kids are saying these days. Yeah, he asked her out like maybe cut a rug to some Larne hills or something I like who in nineteen ninety eight was saying it that way. Yeah. Yeah. That's the one thing that I didn't like about that not the one thing about the episode was the cultural references were so jarring. Yeah. If that like, the writer didn't have enough, and so the actors overcorrected 'cause it just it just was like, nobody says the education of Lauryn Hill like Livingston, which is like like all these like like these breath. Breath is black black laying around. Just didn't didn't work for me. Yeah. Also, too because I mean, it just felt like they were wear that we're making a show for people that will see it in two thousand nineteen who may or may not understand like the shorthand of just like my like the Dan go out dancing to some miss education. That would be enough for me. I'm like, oh, yeah. I know exactly what he's talking about. But it's like they had to be like the mis education of Lauryn Hill, which came out in nineteen ninety eight. Dances to that to that album dance album has like a dance sewn. Like, I think we're the ones you might get somebody today. Even though it's kind of respectability J O. Out of us with respect to Bill you on that on that show on this song because she did to do to everybody forgets. She's like, I'm equally respectable. You need to get together to. Anyway, the I really do like Stanford law hill, and I really would hear nothing else is not my Yawkey bot tickets. Okay. But yeah, you're right that she's kind of calls him out on it. Obviously like first of all knowing day instead of miss education, Laura, he'll second round cut a rug. He is so weird because he's like so eager Cuarto cute and adorable. But it's also just like super Rando nerdy creepy because he's like, yeah. I've been asking about you. Everyone says used to dance he's like what? You got some wrong information because I don't dance anymore. I gave it up and he's like really you never gonna dance again. Not even the whatever she's like never like. So I'm like damn you like her mom, we know that she literally just had to give up the love of her life because her mom was like fuck that shit is not make any paying no rent, so go to college and learn how to account do architecture and shit. So then the he tells her that he was a doctor by white people, which is why he says cut a rook. And he gives the entire like a fireman drop me off way. Like oh. This is us. Expire meant drop. The blackout. I'll fell at the police station. One day a father dotted what am I signaling died in the womb? And that's why I'm now doubt about white family. I have two white siblings. And. Also, my my father's going to die of the died this year, and I'm still not over it. Do is this the essay you wrote to get into the school? Like what does that right now? This is a lie. Rhino reminded me of what deja said about him being his story. He leaves into it in data's like I don't want to be defined by people see me as like. You know, what do you call those things? Bullet-point? I don't like bullet points. You like looking at a resume or something. It's just like dad father black adopted hardship. Let's give him a scholarship. You know, like, Nah, I don't wanna be out of that. And he's like totally leans into that even on a date. And then a white waiter comes over ever minds them that this is a bit too fancy a place for two young street urchins to come in and try to eat dinner amongst the whites as she's the waiters. Like, my manager said y'all need to pay I before eating and Randall's like, okay, no problem. Pulls out his checkbook. And it's like, wait. I don't know how much to make the check out for and Beth immediately sees the game and his lie. Was anyone else in here again forced pay before they eat for even order and the guy's like was just an in random site. Well, it could just be that. We're so young. And it's no problem. I take every don't worry about it. She's like, no gives up and leaves. And he goes after her, and she's kind of set that he was going to write the check. And he's like, I was gonna write the check because I was trying to salvage this obviously awkward and terrible dates trying to like, you know, fakes it or whatever. But I think the show is also trying to point out like the differences, and like you said the black black and random blackness. How did this seem re to you? I feel like okay. I didn't think that. I'm gonna I definitely felt breath. I was on best like, yeah. This dude is a lot and. I don't know. I think she handled it. Well, and I think that it's set the tone for the relationship. Where she just took action. What he was willing to keep the peace more or less than he didn't want to like, I think a lot of episode was seeing the links that Randall goals to be seen as a nice guy to the detriment of everyone around him. And I was glad that Beth was there to like shake him out of it. But I do understand why that was such a, okay, I'm not gonna I'm not going to be your your walk through blackness. I'm not going be. You're you're you're with us on Twitter when they don't want to tell people things educates you meal educate, you, I don't want that emotional labor, and she was like I'm out Mao. One of the things I loved about this name is it highlight something would black people that I don't think gets talked about enough. Right. We often talk about the the like I stood up and I walked out, and I said motherfucker. But there's like racism is like the death by thousand cuts. Sometimes it's not always just like someone got a news or some shit, right? And. Especially at that age when you're young you're not really in the world, yet they're social pressures, sometimes you handle shit in a way that you would not be proud of later or. Yeah. 'cause right. 'cause it's like a pop quiz of racism is not everyone, you know, Twitter and shit. And like everyone can grant's don't like the time that they told that white Burton to kiss their ass. But there's a bunch of times when you're like is this what is happening. Okay. So I have to write a check, and you could see him processing because he just was under the pressure to look to. He wanted his date to go smooth won't, right? Whereas this girl, he's just like whatever it takes to get back to us talking at dinner about you know, her and this plan he had in his head. And clearly you got cost flipping because he was like, I don't think he was not aware of the racism. He even brings up when she pointed out. He's like, yes. But I was thinking about the date and how I could like salvage his date. Impress you because you deserve outta great things. And. And you know, she was awesome. Like this is not going to work out typing negative of. So I don't know in a way I felt for both of them. Like, I like I like sometimes like I wished to have the clarity there. Beth had immediately. Right. And I wish I had it at that age too. Right. But at the same time, I know that I've been random before too. I was like, okay. I don't know why we have to pay up front. This is weird. And then later on my that was motherfucking rices 'cause he's like during the matinee detainees like, wait. I don't even know how much to make the check out for like how how could you? You know what I'm saying? It's like you see him processing. And he's about to get to. Oh, this is basically get the puck out. So I thought it was I thought it was interesting. I agree. I definitely agree. But you're right though. They definitely presented them as two different types of black 'Seeing kinda. Yeah. But I didn't I didn't look at it the way that you just presented it. And I think that that's more accurate in that again. That's why I wanted to see how he went from that to you know, torque to jagged edge. Listen, okay. What happened was she has walked blackness? I don't know. I don't I don't know. I think I don't know if they show it till later, not but they do show at the end. But I'll just go ahead and say now, but like they do that end of the day, go back home or whatever their to their own. Rooms as she. I think I think he still had the flowers he gave her and like a bunch of flowers. Oh, I think the yeah. And she he stuck the check with a memo first date with random Pearson or something like that. Or? In in her in her in the memo, he wrote that and he stuck into her her life jacket pocket. No, she grabbed the check from him at the table when she's. You're not writing a check. They ain't go. The apartment you forgot to maybe I made you skip it. But. When they're outside, and he's like out in the lobby or whatever the restaurant, and he starts to go into his Randall over sharing, and she's like, no talking. Talking about this is too much. You're a lot. Yes. Yeah. Forget what the thing was. It was another like here in moment of like just let me tell you about this. Oh, no. You goes I'm sorry. But I'm not I'm not gonna fight with you. I was raised in a house pairs didn't fight. They had one big fight. It was bad. And I came home early and I saw it. But she's like talking about too much your whole like your book like write a book. Our rather read the book, and then do the cliff notes. Okay. So he is. They they end up fast forward into the they're out of college. And there's back to our actors playing themselves the younger virgin themselves of Susan Khalid Watson with the with the Perm. We and Randall with the spectacle glasses. Here broke terrible kicks. I saw the dad jeans and those horrible Nike's. I was like seven years, and you can't dress them. After like when she says, she was not going to be his, you know, she wasn't going to teach them out to be black. I mean, she start to it. I also think like it was destroyed little, you know, like they got a college is to struggle because. Yeah, he was not the fly big house suit wearing Randall in that thing. He we actually cut in on him playing. What is to me? Be single. Worst proposal romantic song of all time jagged edges. Let's get married. Our place on for you guys is terrible. Let me forward to he star. Singing. I I if anyone some of you are married, and maybe this was a song played at your wedding. Or that somebody's saying to you. I'm so sorry that should not have happened to you. How long does inter? No this. Same. Bankers. First of all, I not so call players wouldn't tell you this. But I'm gonna be real like what you'll proposals have a but in it. This is almost Vazza when Lewis grabbing propose on love hip hop. While wild you marry a nigger like what what is random come from better than this? You don't listen to black music all the time. And then when you do jagged edge, sir. Oh, so disgusting about it. See? I know it was just being funny. Yes, actually, gone his own my God. Oh, come on. What he put out the rain. I said Randall what does this? What does this on me? What is this? We're Beth Queen. We don't do this for the Queen. Okay. Oh my God. I also discussed it forbid. I I was happy for the misdirection though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm glad that she was like first of all no you've asked me six times. Oh, thank God. It's not like the first time. He's proposing yet. This is the Joe Biden like I'm gonna just wear down with proposals approach. He also said he proposed the her at like a arena for a force of it. And she said, no. And I said Randall's one of those you made it through that. No, okay. No way. I don't know how anyone makes it through the guy who proposes at a public like event like that. And then. She says, no. How how do you? How do you get in the car and drive back to the same destination? Especially with Randall who is so proctoring sensitive. I don't know my God. And then to be that. Maybe maybe that's why he did it on the seven trial. He said, maybe if I make it low keys like jagged edge, 'cause I guess by the time you propose seven times jagged, edges appropriate. Right. It's why not just marry me. Please. We ain't got nothing else to do. Okay. We ain't get no younger. Jesus christ. The thing too though is it sets the tone for. At no point. Did you ask her what she was waiting for? What the issue was would what what kind of proposal. Just. And I think in this scene like they kiss and stuff and she does kinda reassure him. Like, you are eight you're the one I wanna be with. But I'm just not ready to get married. I need to know what I'm gonna do of my life. I and what was so wrong with that. Like, I don't know what his problem was with that seem perfectly reasonable. I am with you. We're staying together. I just don't want to do this right now. Yeah. You know, the thing for me is I 'cause one I I've never had to propose seven times or whatever. The fuck. I is it like a theme where you're like I'm waiting for you to figure it out. But I want you to know, I'm ready. So I'm gonna just keep keep letting you know that I'm that. I'm that. I'm whenever you whenever you figure it out and ready or like, I don't like I don't know what the approach is opposed to be there. You know, what I mean like do I propose, and then just go if you never ever bring it up again, that's cool. Like, I just have this rain forever. And like, you let me know when when you like, I I don't know the appropriate thing to be honest with you, and that's mostly because our society is so like, you know, patriarchal and chivalrous and the man proposes an audit shit. So I I'm going to be honest. I really don't know the right answer here for. Yeah. You know? I mean, I think that's I think that steps it though. Right. There is no right answer. It's about what you know of your partner. Right. I know how to approach and I feel like Randall just doesn't really pay attention. He thinks that he does nice things in a bubble like in this general bubble of this is a good thing that I'm doing, and, but it's so self centered that it doesn't really take into account. What the other person is doing right? Or what they want? And I feel like he should have at some point figured out. What it is that she wanted have the conversation either major the vetting occurred or Saul when it did. And then try again, and then also like there's a nebulous thing to to marriage relationships. Right. Where? You keep waiting for these moments. And and I think everyone who's an adult at this point. No is listening to this knows what's dumb talking about. But this sometimes it's just not moment like things just kind of happened. Right. So there's not a mouse don't of I got a job. And now ready to get married like sometimes the perfect job never comes along. And you look at one day. And you're like, oh, I'm forty now. Like, I'm waiting on the day the maturity hits me, and I'm like, I'm going to get married. I think a lot of men are kind of opposite Aranda where they think that they won't marry someone because they think they're gonna hit a mouse tone that they'll like wake up one day, and it'll be like into days day, you became a man and you Can Tho start like seriously looking for relationships. Right. I get a certain job. If I get a house, if I get a certain type of car when I get my my masters degree like this all these things we will have. And you just like you get it. And you still feel like the person? The day before they didn't have it. And so, yeah, this is like nebulous thing where maybe he was antsy waiting on. Like, what was the moment? Is today the moment when you in this like knows not. I'm not ready yet. You know, anyway, then they was trying really hard and they worked together. Right. And they were together. Right. She's like you've been my boyfriend for seven years. At this point. I just don't even wanna break in a new boyfriend. So I trust like, I'm not going anywhere. A yeah. You would hope that that would be enough. You know, but it sounds like that's just enough to hold them off for. I don't know how many months, and then he tries again at the next the next of it. So I I did want to my tie all the proposals though because once you say stadium. I'm like what else was this nigga doing Jesus Christ take no for an answer. Okay. He's like other people's wading. Probably she's just like. Sorry. Proposed some fucking. She's she's like apologize. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. This this it'll be over to second. No, no. I would not marry you. Okay. Let's let everybody get back to the party. I'm so sorry. I'll back to your reception. I'm just trying to think of more awkward bad places. He can propose. Funeral. Say that he he performed that he proposed during sex and she said no during sack say fuck. How's it? How's it our how do you keep going to that? How my God. No. All right. So he's like well this all right because this, mama. Sunday's gotta go. See? My mama, mama date. As she looks already exasperated with the idea like see shit like this. It's giving me for mareo is. Which is interesting. You know, Beth doesn't seem to have that title relationship with her mom, but Randall's a momma's boy. Yeah. That's too much. Every Sunday every Sunday matinee not one Sunday a month every single no every Sunday every Becca let him do it. And that so we know that they always played up that relationship between Rebecca and Rando. Right. Like, this is like that she's his favor and he's phase. So they go play. Putt. Putt Beth is kinda starting argument by like how needling Rebecca like why? Are you ain't got? No, no man, you need to start dating. I got a professor so Michael hook you up with. Rebecca's I own I'm five, I'm okay. Just like that it, but like Beth is ask, you know, some like 'cause if you had a man I wouldn't have to hang out with your every day. Okay. Discuss. How scared I was that she was going to suggest Miguel somehow. I know she didn't like for some reason when she started talking I was like issue about to she the reason McGill. That Miguel in Rebecca ended up together. We just got Miguel on other PLA call course, like looking over at Rebecca. Shoot. Light. You ain't get no younger and your husband's day. We might as well do it. Okay. But yeah. So they end up having a fight at the course. And she asked Rebecca like Rebecca tries to excuse herself. And ran like, no, no, you have to say, you say it in front of my mom. I'm like, Nick, what are you doing? Like this letter, mama. Go eat some cold, PISA, whatever they serve like, what are you doing man? He was blowing me, man. He was killing me. Oh my God. And he he does. He did. Oh god. Sorry. Go ahead. No, go ahead. You got rent? No, no. I don't wanna keep interrupting like jumping forward and back because it's just. Oh, yeah. So they start arguing. Trying to think was his argument was about. It was it was it. The proposal thing. I can't even know what this fight was about. It was just too much whatever the fight was about like, she she see the proposals. Yeah, she was like on some negative while we don't even really fuck each other because you told your mom that you propose seven times. And I said, no that's between me. And he's like how's that like his mom? Of course, I told her and I'm like, maybe you God read the room. He got a fended that she was not cool with him being so tight with his mom as she was trying to turn me into her some shit like that or some whatever, and he basically goes outside and sits down, and they Rebecca and Beth have heart to heart. And Rebecca, no, that's what this is a part that I wanted to talk about apart before this when he said that when he's okay, I'm getting heated. Let me call now when he said fine. I'll just never I'll never propose to you again. And then stormed off that shit hissed me off so much. It's so manipulative, and it makes it about his hurt feelings and not whatever valid argument that she has. And that's what Randall fucking does all the time. Once I saw I couldn't unseen it yet. What was weird to me is that? So we obviously had the benefit of the her relationship with her mom from that episode little Allender, right? He does it. And it doesn't seem like Beth has ever really talked to him about that stuff. Maybe the show show is different one day. But it seemed like she kept a lot of that stuff to the Chas probably because she learned from her mom, and we don't do motions and the clock family. But. Even when the hindsight you would think you would be able to pick up on these issues over the years of being with somebody. You know, what I mean, like, I don't know specifically what all it is that got you to the point you're at, but you keep things bottled up the you have like like a outburst, right? It seems like Beth less things build up, and we actually saw this with Zoe was she has like how you able to deal with my mom, just like, you know, like clapback like that. And she always like, I get it out of my system. I say how feel right away. And I'm you know, I'm going to do what I wanna do. Anyway, and beds on some like, I hold it in and try to look the part, but but I'm really feeling the same Zoe. And then by the time she has a outburst. It's, you know, yell at a momma over her broke hip at three in the morning as she tries to resume, right? And so I think that kinda was what that was also a pattern here too is long saying so Brando's like it will if I can't be perfect is just won't try it all and her like, I like, I haven't issue. I'm not gonna tell you what the issue is. But once you step on the button too many times when I'm gonna like really give you the full barrel, right because essentially she could have done this apartment. Right. He coulda hit him with the nigga. I'm not accepting proposals for this shit. What your mom is weird? I don't like this you too tired. I don't wanna become her. But instead, it's putt putt. And it's you know, now after his in front his momma, but you know, what I'm saying it's here instead that we have this this thing because I think she waits into Chicago my dad, she waits until she's in the red to really tell you like you fucked up. Anyway. But yes, he's like he's gonna cry on the car. God, they may look so wack. It was I might run into the car like rating Friday. White. Oh, never proposed. These hugh. Beth Rebecca sit down, and it was so is so typical of this show because it's like sweet in the moment. But in the bigger scheme of things, it's like it probably did a disservice to everyone. But Rebecca, basically says like, you know, I took him we went out to Kavin, and he was stargazing and came over. He was having a panic attack. He was crying. And I'm like Rebecca, this is not how you fix this. Let me tell you the story time I sound like a complete little baby. Okay. He was crying, and I came over. And I say what you crying about little baby. He was eleven years old. He was having a panic tag. Like right now really wasn't another story of she's like he felt so small he didn't know his place in the universe. And what he was going to do in this the million little things she was saying, that's when I say you should run for city council day, but is not as a better show. So stay she was like he's just felt lost or whatever and then seven years ago after y'all's day, he called me on the phone and told me that he had found his place in nor because he found you, and he was where he was supposed to be. And. Yeah. No, like, still no in that more. No than previously. Right. There's so many levels of. No. And when I was watching it just from the beginning up. I was like this. Maybe this is why I'm single because I cannot I can't do any of this. This is the part where I would have broken up with him this part two right here. Nope. Yeah. Right here that conversation with his mom. I've had a conversation with an Xs mom similar to that in a relationship similar to this. And it's just so uncomfortable. Like, it's so. God. Yeah. So like, I say, it's like TV show. Sweet. Right. Because like I selected in that moment. I could also see how Beth would have softened from that. You know what I'm saying? Because in that moment, it was very much like, no, no, no, you're so important to him. He he didn't even feel like he found his place in the world, the existential crisis for having many years of his life, and he met you. It was like problem solve. I can see how that feels like a fix to me. Personally, it feels like nigga. No one should be that important. Yeah. I'm like that's too much pressure on me now to be like. Yeah. This person fixes you all the time. I don't want not that I'm saying this part of marriage, but I don't wanna be that much apart. No just too much. It seems so much like a mental health standpoint. It's. If feels manic deals manic and then also like being diety like the keeps saying, oh, he has anxiety. But I feel like there's something else. There pizzas de our. No because his his his his feelings of abandonment run, so deep and the way that he handles the handles that whatever that is is so manic, and then also kind of like switches like the mood swings. Just to go back to the beginning a little bit. There was nothing about that date. That would have him come back until Nathan that he was going to marry her except for the fact that he had decided in some sort of like. Whatever happened between the restaurant and the dorm room that he was going to make it. So Jimmy like that's very manic thing to do like that. That's. My doctors call it six Asian when you find the thing the one thing that's going to make you. That's going to be the reason. Why you're okay. Right. So it could be having to talk to somebody every day. It could be I remember for me when I lived in New York, there was this thing I had to eat a waffle from every restaurant in Manhattan. Of course, I didn't do that. But it was what I could stick save on as a thing when I was going through my depression three years ago. It was Black Panthers coming so is fixated on that. Like, it just feels like there's so much of him fixated on certain things and anything that kind of makes that thing move. He just doesn't know what to do. And that's. I I don't know. And there's a pattern right because it's not always back. And it's not always Beth this fixation. And when you're not big sation than you end up being put on the backburner, and you have to lie been two Ps whatever his current fixation is. And that's. The impulse of quitting his job by the house all the things that like lit Mike were saying this is what makes you a bad partner to me. It's like this is a mental health thing. Yeah. Act. What it feels like to me? I don't know whether it's intentional or whether I'm projecting. But like all of it just feel so like manic and has to do with it. He just doesn't start it. No, no, no and his wild because TV wise. That's what TV is right. Like TV is these big sweeping dramatic moments that always of that are like in real life would be constant upheaval. But that's kind of what TV dramas. All right. It's you know every week. There's an emergency in the hospital every week. You know, someone is there's a fight between a couple of every week. And that's what makes life interesting. That's why TV shows the show us those moments. Right. But then when you think about it and just. L real life sense. Like three years three seasons into this show. There's been so much upheaval in our life directly linked to just Randall. What does what is the cost of that? You know, this is the first really seen the show like a Zaman. Yes. This is actually not what it would be. This would not be normal everyone if you were married to someone like this. This would mean that you make a lot of compromises in order for them to have this life, and I do love like I said when I say, I would probably never watch his episode again. But is also one of the best they've ever done is just 'cause it's three years in the making of like, yo this is actually not actually normal everyone. So yes. So anyway, they had this discussion. That's what makes for a better show than others. A really, yes. I don't want to say any which shows, but you guys know what shows. So they. Beretta talks Beth Beth thing goes outside to the car where Randall's like pouting as she's like get in the car, we're going somewhere. And he's like what about my mom? She's like forget, mama. Your mama told me tell you that. I was like, okay. That I was like damn I thought she really went there and like the sweet didn't work. She was like fuck. Your mama her book. You take me home to forget, your mom. She told me that of getting a car they drive to a bar. They go inside no restaurant, or how did he not know this? They've been together for seven years. They live in that town clearly. So they got our favorite restaurant. She ordered the ginger beer and some nachos. That's the other thing. I did they like these teachers tell him that day date number one. And then they never went to this restaurant and got the nachos. And drink. Light. Right. Okay now. So I know this team for Rando, I get it. But it all fairness as someone on the Mary cider spectrum. How you go seven years and never wanna go to your favorite restaurant. And you'll know, hey, we going to go tonight. You know what I mean? Like it never never like we'll get to the end. But like chat room saying it's her favorite meal restaurant. Okay. That makes better they make much more sense. Yeah. I withdraw my comment because. My nigga if it really would've been like I like Charlie's Knicks never go. It's also for never having. Brought this bullshit. You cannot turn on me several years later, I'd be like cable you never took me like nigga what? Anyway, but it was a favorite meal if every beer ginger beer, and I think they were fighting, and we were we were supposed to be like like surprises rainbow. Right. What are you doing? Why is this important? Like, you just telling me, I'm trashing about the break. And now, we're eating you're eating nachos and ginger beer also love that. She ate the nachos. Like he tried to get one. She's like, no. Yeah. My favorite meal. And she's like, okay. Go ahead. They sit down and she's like do it propose. He's like wait for real right here. So I know you didn't bring the rain because he's like, oh, I watch rain. He put hurrying out his like, I'm front door. Lock barely works. I'm never letting leaving the most valuable thing in apartment by herself. Okay. And he does like proposed and it's actually really sweet to me like, he's crying and sees crying. And then all these white people ribs and the restaurant are like applauding this shit. But I think it was just a strength to acting. In that scene. Which is so crazy that all they had to do this episode in the scenes, they had to feel you know, what I mean? Like, I don't know how to act is this what a great actors, right? 'cause you know, you're gonna cut back to the president and be fussing at each other. And then in the past I still felt like in this moment, they were so deeply in love. It was going. They would never have a fight again after this day. He's like got tears coming out his eyes. And she says, yes and. Then I think the next flash forward is they have a baby. Maybe not the next last four, but I'm just going to order. They have this baby and his test task. He's chained to test early in the morning and their net. Drunken like sleepless stupor that parents that have newborns apparently go through. And I think Randall was working seventy five hours a week. And he was in the middle of the night chained in the baby wrong. Apparently he's supposed to open up a box of wipes for the baby to smell then another wipes itchy wipe the baby with and then change the diaper and sound like a lot of instructions for four hours of sleep. Beth came in just to help them or to check on to make sure he was doing it. Right. And you know, they both had like sleepless attitude each other like I am doing you don't around over the parks. It was just the box. Smelly. It doesn't even matter. You know? And then they talk about greasy nachos. And he goes downstairs and microwave a bunch of cheese on towers from nachos which I guess. Don't tried it. You know what? I guess right. When they are talking about nachos in my head. I had a whole different scenario going in my mind. Ooh. Yes. And I chose going in the morning, and it's like to like Taco Bell or something. Yeah. Or knowing Randall, they're gonna go fucking guarding some bail peppers of. Make Randall Kramer's world-famous nachos. I don't know what I was thinking not. Not know why. So disgusting. Like like, they were very thirty six asleep. I don't know what was wrong. But so they have a conversation and best kinda is relating to him. Like joe? So this of like this. Like, you always asked me to give it up for you. And I'm always the one bending and he's like what like what's he talking about? Gives them this analogy of the three types of nachos. Which I did think it was a great great analogy. But it was like there's crumbs. There's the nachos. They get like. So like all the cheese, then the other team does not use on other nachos. And then there's the perfect nachos. With cheese and perfect y every bite in the perfect like amount of toppings and all this stuff. And she's like, you're the kind of person that you like the cheese on your nachos. And I like to tease on a notch owes on nachos. But when you get the eating nachos. I'm left with the crumbs. He's like trying to leave you crumbs that she's like shows in the bowl because he was eating nachos. And he daily heard crumbs which I thought was such a dope analogy like. Absolutely. It was a perfect analogy wasn't like who wrote that that would William right that. Mike came back from the grave it goes. Right. This thing because I love that like everyday ordinary thing. You don't think about any like, oh my God nigga you eat the best nachos. And this is the third time to ever soda. I'll say we're never supposed to make it. Let's get married to put why y'all were having. They may think this could work all the nachos. Probably the most disgusting and like all the cheese. Nachos and lease colonels. Who does this Jimmy? I don't know if I remember it quickly because I didn't get a chance to watch rewatch all of it. But. Did he say something like when she said that whole thing instead of like having a conversation with her about what that means? And what whatever he's like, I'm never gonna eat nachos again or some shit. Like that is that what he said he says something like that. And then also. Like, I said to be fair. She also dismissed her own thing when he was like, what are you trying to say are you trying to say blank. She went. She said, well, I'm just tired. You know, just tired of them. Just talking is. We have to think here's the thing. And again, I've been in a relationship like this. There's a story called like a war in my book available for preorder. Now wherever books are sold. There's there's there's the body language if you watch and you see sterling K Brown the look on his face the way, his body kinds of kinds of like crumples. She has no while she's talking and she sees that. And she knows them. And she knows that he's about to like take this wrong and get upset. She's like watching him do all of that. And then fixing it. So that he likes straightens up and feels good about himself. A again like that's her fault for doing that. But it's done because of what he would he can his non verbal communication. That she's picked up on over the years. Yeah. Is this all leading somewhere? Right. Because this is the episode on both sides of my pants, and then also her body language like because she started to let herself comparable, right? And then she sees being affected by and she stripped straightens up like, oh, no, no. No, no. It's just we're tired. And you know what? I mean. Like, it's funny because later she accused of always making me like perfect speech that tries to fix everything and I'm like death. He does try to fix it. You know what I mean? Like, he does make the perfect speech. And then guess what he wants anyway. And then also though, you you let it happen to you know, right? Like both of y'all. It's like a toxic mix of. It's like this is bad mix. You know, like both of y'all hit each other's weak spots right at the right time. And it's not you never get better off of it. You just keep digging yourself further and a ho because you just keep fucking going through the same pattern. And so then the next one is their wedding. Oh, that's what their wedding day. They didn't take both were like rewriting vows on the last second like they were gonna freak out every hour or some shit. Randall had six pages worth of hours. He was ready to go. Oh, yeah. Well, okay. So she hadn't written anything. She says she hadn't that time. She'd been doing everything for the wedding by herself, and they didn't have any money left. That's why they got this big as ours. That's why get married in the backyard, but Rando has written seventeen pages of vows which are terrible like in. Kevin was like edit this shit down right cut all of this cut this cut that right? And then Randall realizes that he hasn't actually written vows either. He's written a dissertation on marriage and marriage nine and not enough about this bet in general, which I think goes back to what you brought up earlier about he went on that first date and was like I'm gonna marry this girl is like the goal is more important than the girl. Yeah. Yes. But they didn't have acute scene of they can't look at each other. But they kinda freaked out vows together. That's what I mean when I say freestyle together. Not because it was useless as my point like, so he he's been a week. Not writing vows. Okay. He's been writing the chapter in his book, and the editor said take all this out. Okay. None of this is good. And he has the freest out. They've priest out their vows, which does look you. They are a couple of that when they worked together and on the same page. You know, you're like, oh my gosh. So good for them. And in this case, it was like he also like once again, she's like I had to plan his weight in myself. And he's like, did you really feel like I made you plan this wedding by yourself, and she's like, no. And I'm like sometimes I don't like is bad, a reliable narrator unreliable narrator thing Tichy, or did she not you know, what I mean? 'cause my assumption is that she opened to that. When I had no reason, I doubt her. I was like, wow. That's some sucker shit. Right. Let you got so obsessed with this one thing you you left her out the fucking do the whole win by herself. And then he's like, you know, that's not true. I did this this or whatever. And then she's like, okay. You didn't. And I'm like is this also you just now saying what he needs to hear. But when it's not the truth like, what is the truth here? And he does apologize for working on his vows too long. So I. Anyway, they get married. Teases kreis. Oh, exhaust. How they make me tired. I'm not even in the way. And then I'm like just keep with the fuck. They do the way about. And shit, then we get the baby scene. And then I think we just go to the president, right? Dewey. Something we're missing. So I know when when when when he she says she's going away. Oh for work. Thank you. That's why. This e this is why I take for granted guys and. Thank you. Bye for correct me. I was worried about the wedding vows all week. And i'm. So the L and I love this, right? This is probably one of my favorite scenes of all the they show because we saw all the things that led up to Kevin living with them Williams, their recipes and like random got all this stuff. He has to do today. And she tells him I'm going to the urban planning renewal conference in Hershey Pennsylvania have to stay overnight. So you guys have a good one. And they're like all right cool. No problem. You know, you have a good one Beth in girl, and she leaves the house. They. Kevin was the plane about why he didn't get to sleep upstairs. And she's like, you know, diagram say in the basement or upstairs and and brothers. I hate in the basement or whatever I like they brought back that she still hated Kevin back then because I don't hate him anymore. Did I'm like, I do think. Remember, you hate gotta Kevin. Yeah. Tolerate him. Cholerae to- further your white breath. Are giving head so Rando and William are talking about going. Like William wants to go to concert. But he doesn't wanna stay down the white, man. He was dating. I can't remember his name house of that night. Never weird. I thought it was I thought that conversation was gonna go whole different way me too. But but it was relevant, right? Because it got to the episode because Raymond like just talk to them. Yeah. Just tell him that. 'cause he's like, yes. Houses to code Randall. Sometimes you just don't wanna fight you rather. Just go home and talk about it. He's like just communicate with them. It'll be fine. You need communication. He's he's like, he's whatever, man. I need some milk for my Seraphim pancakes, you may finish them off today. And he was like all right cool. And they go to the store to get pancakes. And they stumble across Beth who is buying a Swedish fish and has wine, and it's supposed to be a Hershey, Pennsylvania. And he's like what you doing here is in. She's a seagull is not what you think I do love that. He knows her. So well that he deduces she is going to get a hotel room. Eat Swedish, fish, drink wine and watch movies all day. He was say damn do. Right. Anyway, oh idea like that that you know, because I thought it was gonna be like you got another man about the find out Beverly cheating on his time. I like innocuous shit. They're like not saying, it's not offensive. That's on live with like if someone was going to lie to me that's within the parameters of like, okay. We just need to have more conversations. Not you know like and who is this gentleman. You know, so. But yeah. In breath, basically says she needed a break. I love when William sees this. He goes watch you some of that communication us talking about in the car and walks up to get so syrup. And Beth basically breaks down to him. Like, I need a break. You got to white brother-in-law. You got your strange five in the house working taking care of kids. I'm doing all this stuff picking up the slag lost his job. Like sometimes I just need to not be a wife. I needed Nabi a mother, I just need a day to myself. And this the only way I was going to get it say, why didn't you just tell me that? And she's like, I have been telling you, I need a break and. You know, you told me something and then the end of the day. I just go to bed tired or whatever, and you know, to his credit like I think I could feel the abandonment issues creeping up on him in that conversation. He has his moment alike. Damn my wife doesn't want to be with me like someone is leaving me up. But he swallowed it and said, you know, what if you want to? Do the hotel thing. That's fine. Like you need a break. You right. Dig turn around like just answering question. What episode you star with? She's like Calum actually together, of course. And he's like, oh, this is my favorite girl. I would look I'll see you tomorrow, whatever. And she's like well now, I don't want to cause I wanna watch it. What you and I know y'all got ours now like again again that was manipulative as fuck he knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe he doesn't know what he's doing. But he knows that. He always does this. And he did that thing where he he didn't have to say anything he made it seemed like she was she was doing something not wrong. But doing something that excluded him. And it didn't feel like it was a real out. I like real out for him. Because if you see the way he was like, he said the thing. Oh, that's my favorite episode that it up. I'm pulling at your heart strings right now. Oh, no, no fine. No. You know, you go you. Go ahead fun. I I did take this the complete opposite way. I saw it as if he would've walked out without saying anything that point. It would have been way worse because it felt like he wasn't really okay with it. And he was just gonna like walk off. Sadly, and she was going to be like, okay, I'll come home. Like, obviously, I hurt your feelings. And you try to act like, it's cool. And you're not it's not cool. 'cause it did not. I did not get the assuredness from him being like, we'll just go ahead and do that. You know, you deserve this cool and walking. I don't know if it's the posture. What was away he walked to? This is not cool, and she's gonna feel terrible about this. But when he turned around and said that he was trying to like ended on a good note. Like, hey, you know, like enjoy the show, you know. You know? I know you still love you is cool. And instead voted I didn't think she needed to their thought that was fine. He could like after he said that that was the high note of the conversation and just leave it at that go in your twenty four hours and Swedish fish. I don't understand why you need to come home. At least I didn't feel like she would have been wrong for that. But it was this is this is the thing. And it felt like again, I have been both Beth Anne Randall on separate occasions. So I I see it. I see both sides. And it's like, it's grooming usually mean, it's like he's groomed. Her to the point where even when he says a thing his body in his face, something completely different. And that's what triggers are that's what he response to. Yeah. The possibility that it might not be okay is what she response to. Right. And so like, I think she has to take responsibility for that part. 'cause like he's a grown, man. He said he was okay. That's the fucking end. Right. If he wasn't okay. Then he needs to quote, unquote, communicate that he's not. Okay. This like so there's parts of this like any relationship that's fucked up, and it's been a long time. Right. There's gonna be responsibility on both parties to some extent. We can disagree about how much responsibility, but is literally impossible to be together that long for you, not to have some some role within whatever the dissolution of the relationship is unless it's like some real dirty filthy share. Right. Like some negatives. Just like cheating on you, and beating new shade or something, you know. But if it's like something like this where a lot of dramas beneath a service, some of it is patterns for both is and so this, Pat. Of like, will it might not be okay. Let me just shrink myself. Just in case is also like a bad pattern for Beth because she's not happy and she chose more misery in a situation where in less, he's lying to you. He just told you like this fine. I get it. I've been asking a lot of you. And that that shitty of me so go please have a good night. And it's nine on. I don't feel right now. Like like like that was the out that was me. I'm sorry. Rod. It was not an out, and I just put in the matab room. He the when he asked about the episode it triggered good memories that were attached to him. So the memory that he had was what she did. Now was attached. What she was about to do when she's trying to get away from all of it back to him. So it would have been on her mind anyway. So why even go yet? I disagree. I really think that was I don't think they are writing him the be like just as gas lighting evil genius of evil. And I don't think I don't think thing is. I think that because of Twitter when people say gas lighting, and when people say someone's emotionally manipulative, they go all the way to like the left, and it's evil and abusive and violent and baba. I don't mean that I mean that the way that he that he. Processes his his abandonment issues, or whatever that's going on his anxiety mix it so that in order for himself to feel better. He is manipulative. I don't think it's an evil thing. I don't think it's it's it's it's like this terrible devil thing that he's on. I think it's just how he learns to cope with his own issues. The just so happens that it affects his wife's because she's the one that's closest to him. It's not it's not something that he's doing on purpose. It's just something that he's always learned to do because he's always had to to sort of figure things out. Why I like I agree that there's patterns on both sides. Right. And I think they're patterns feed off each other. And I do think that he is. We've talked about off-season like he is manipulative. He does have. That good guy to ugm shit about him. Right. But also sometimes it is like the face like is the face value. And you have to take it where you get it. That was out like there's no way to revisit that conversation. It'd be like he forced her hand in the coming home. Right. He was like in like, oh what like to meet? Anyway, I felt like he was saying that's our show. Right. We we are together. I like I want to be happy. Enjoy that. Like, I didn't feel like he was saying if you watch this without me, you're gonna be miserable. So you'd better come home. That's that's not how I read it. That's not what I'm saying. The only thing he knows to do is to sort of how he protects himself. He wanted it to be okay. He wants her to go. But he doesn't know how to really handle it. He still stuck on her needing time away from him. That's what he's protecting and shielding himself from and that protection shielding comes with him attaching himself to this thing, he didn't he didn't mean for her to stop and not do it. But he wanted to be a part of it and him making him circle. Part of it is what changed your mind because we wanted to skate from it. But to me, that's okay because that's his life. He has to get some bitter limits to like, it's there's there's something there's something in her that has to be addressed to that has this this thing of like, and and I love the ending theme. Like we're getting towards anyway. So we might as well get to. But I love the envy resolution where he actually does make the case for himself a bit because it needed to. He makes his really a case for her. Like, it's not just a like, I'm this monster, and I'm fucking your life of and I don't care about you at all like, no, there's something to this. Where you don't own your part of it. Then you can think that anyway, like it let's say they get divorced or let's say they fix their marriage. It doesn't really matter. What the resolution is. She needs to change and as much as he needs to change. There's a change that needs to happen her side, or she's gonna repeat this pattern with some other nigga light, of course core. So that moment to meet highlighted the issue on both sides because I'm like, yes, he will be a bit sad that his, homey. His wife is going to be at the hotel, whatever. But he manned up turned around. And was like, here's a happy moment. Peace and she was like okay now because you still going to be a little sad. Let me just come home. And I'm like that was it built this. Let him be sad for nights. It'll be okay. And once you see that they'll be. More times than you could tell just making. No. And it'll be okay. And you'll see that he's a fucking functioning adult. I know that like some site anxiety stuff and whatnot. But he still has like a per- like he's still is a man that got job. You got kids. You can pay bills. He's doing all this other shit. He he'll be all right. You know? And that's what I want to tell her. I was clicking Cowboys can on both sides. Like, I'm I pushing back against the idea that it was an out. I don't think it was a real out. He may have thought it was an out. But I don't think it's an out. But I do think a hundred percent agree that they have they have developed a dynamic that makes it so one thing supported an order for it to be supported the other thing has to bend. And that thing has always been best. So that dynamic plays out all over the place it plays out in Syria shit and it plays out and dumb shit like dumb shit, but like minor shit like wanting to spend a day alone. Right. What I mean? Like, that's how it all plays out there. I don't wanna say that they're both wrong because I think it comes from a bunch of different places, but there, but but but I don't think that he was just all of a sudden the scene was. You know? Go ahead. How fun you know, and left it that the way they set up that scene, but conversation the way that sterling K Brown acted his face off like almost literally his face dropped his body drop again like it did a Cup. Like did all these other times that he was about to be disappointed and she had to fix it. And I don't want you to be disappointed. Like, it's it's a dynamic. They've been created over the years. But it's still it's still dynamic that exists is to me when I'm saying when I say, it's an out is an out if you take it. That's what made out like is not out of you decide is not out. But it was an out like doesn't good as you're going to get like, I don't like discovering your wife lie to you. And is in the fucking grocery store would a bunch of shit. And you go this fine. You made a great point. I'm sorry. I have a good night. That's it. Like, I don't know. Like, there's so many worse ways that could have played out. You know, what I mean like because it is a lie. And I know she felt bad. I think he just felt guilty. That she even had lied to him. And in that moment, he didn't to the like traditional. Maybe she would even felt better. If he had just blown up and been like, well, fuck, it, don't come home or whatever. But I think we as audience would've felt way worse. Like, what was really in? This makes like fuck him. He's always like, you know. So he I think he manned up as best as he could on the fly. And it just wasn't going to be good enough because it's gonna be hurt. And that is a valid reason to have a hurt hurt feelings like we've seen her life in and like how it's been up to this point. And in a way that he hasn't because he doesn't watch his show. But but like in that moment, I get how like you're not able to completely just like, oh, no problem, baby. Good night. Oh, I love you so much. I don't you know, what take a week off girl. Like, he was like, okay. I'm processing this little bit of a lot. But okay. Yeah, you're right. You just. Great point. I'm tripping. Have a great night. Matter of fact, I watch our favorite episode. And it was this is gonna be sad. I gotta come home. And I'm like, you don't you really don't that was it. And I don't think it gets better than that. One is I really like this show is because I think they written it. So that neither person has to be completely horrible. Unless you want one person to be completely like horrible. You know, I think they are like puzzle pieces that fit into the insecurities that are like what do you call it a boxing only people? People like functional alcoholics or whatever like folks from the functionally dysfunctional, they fit into those pieces and each other. But not always in a good way. They just happen to together. And that was a moment of. Yeah. That it, but that's the problem. Now, you're back to the problem that you have before you should have just gone to the hotel used to go to hotel every week. You know, I think I think I think we agree. Like, I I think that we agreed on on the dynamic. I think I think we're functioning too. But I feel like we agree on what's on what's occurring. But I think there's a there's a shift one way or the other based on on like. To which degree, you know, who's responsible or whatever. But I agree with that. I think it's on both of them. But they have created that guy Mamic and break out of that dynamic once you have it. Let me ask you this. What are you have is if she goes out at night? Shielfield guilty. He'll be upset. Yeah. So that. Yeah. I think that was guilt. Yeah. That that that that turned around? And I mean, I I'm not I've never been married. So I can't you know, say definitively. But like for me the way that it would have played out. He says what happened, blah, blah, blah. She says she says this I've tried to tell you you didn't listen, so I had to go and do this. I had to go through all of that we need to have a conversation about why you know, I didn't hear you. When you say that we'll have that conversation when you get back. I want you to feel comfortable I want you to have space for yourself yet at being in fact, take two days take the weekend. Right. I'll pay like there's a lot of ways that could have been handled and he just he doesn't have the emotional. He doesn't have you motion a language because he's only seen his parents fight that one time, and it was a bad fight. He doesn't know how to argue with people. He doesn't know how to have healthy communication that isn't predicated on whether or not he ends up feeling good at the end. I think asking I think what is being asked on the flight because I think you can't skip over that this hair being caught in a lie. Off the cuff, it's not some plants shit. I think is asking a lot of human being. It'd be like I'm so cool with this girl. Don't even come home. Like don't like he did like he did I in a way, I was it was almost more frustrating because like that was like to me superhuman fake Randall, right? Like Randall that goes, I'm also a fixer. I also don't want anyone to have problems. I don't want drama. He would have been perfectly justified to be like, even if these are your gripes. We you talk to me before we get to this point. He would have been urban justified. Instead, he ate that shit turned around. And was like is cool. Take the night you right? You like what you say. Convince me I don't want my wife sitting at home resenting, everything about me. And I feel like she chose resentment in that time because you know, and this is something that, you know, with me Karen that that has come up not specific this situation. But things where I've been like, maybe you should do this because you will be resentful. If. You don't like you don't feel it right now. But I know that this this thing like of maybe vacation, maybe it's something she wants to try. It was a what if you don't do this thing. I don't ever wanna feel like the reason you didn't do it. Right. And so there, but I didn't catch her in a line and it happened. I don't know what the fuck were having just like was like word these tickets to like like that's a lot to ask for human being just turn around and be like, it's cool. Don't even worry about it. So like in a way on like, I see how that took a lot from Randall to know that because you're basically finding that you've been wrong and not just wrong, but wrong enough that your partner feels abandoned and you go, you're right. I didn't see it that way. I'm taking what you're saying. Now, please have a night. Right. That's on me. And she still chose like the easier. Resentment of going back home to resent this mega again, where his white brother. His father. And so I don't know I feel like we get back to the same point. But the pattern like it's easy to see the pattern from his side as the dude and the one who's always doing shit. It's harder to see the pattern. It's like there. Be right. Like, therapists would be like, okay. Well, what's your role in this to like? And it's like what damn I'm repeating pattern. Alcoholics not anonymous. What's the other one Al-Anon is Allen of the people that are dicta alcohol IX, though, where they're like I keep fucking with the same type of nigga. Why are doing this? Getting back to the same situation because you keep slushing yourself down. You don't have to him. Let him be sad for night. It'll be fun. It'll be okay. And I have some of that in me to bed like, I don't like this not being. Okay. Should I come home every night sleep in the same bed? We don't argue. We don't hold shit over for like like we resolve things we have a conflict. We talk about it until it's done. Right. We don't do the like three weeks later. I remember you said and part of that means having to be uncomfortable with them being uncomfortable. Sometimes 'cause 'cause that's the truth. And I think she's not uncomfortable with him being uncomfortable. You know, and he's now grown accustomed to her being uncomfortable because she's never really stood up and said, I'm uncomfortable, and I'm not dealing with your shit. If we go back to our little island girl, and we saw how her mother. Handles and ask them to handle their emotions, and it makes sense as to why. Beth? I don't want to be washed. He's with someone like Randall. 'cause I don't think it does. That does explain why she doesn't. Communicate certain things to him because she just kinda takes it. But I have to go back to the fact that this man has had multiple mental health breaks. Right. Right. That is a precarious place to be in as someone as not just as a partner. But just as someone who is who loves somebody like that. It is a it is a tightrope walk in. It's not just about the person who's feeling better now because now you watch them break and your frayed because you don't know what broke them last time. So you don't want to bring that thing again. So I can see where she has swallowed that internalized it because that's what she knows and figures out away to to to to deal with it. But she's not dealing with it. Well, but it's a very real thing that occurs, which is why she would not she would rather lie and not an hurt and not hurt his feelings than tell the truth and hurt him and up. That's going to do that's a choice that she's making. And she has to take responsibility for that. Because it's not better. It's also emotionally stagnant. But it does exist. And I think that we keep saying the same thing they're wanting up against each other because of the dynamic they created that. No Larkin sustain itself. Oh, no. We listen. We are saying the same thing from difference is but. To me. I think we're talking about patterns, and this one we're talking about this one example of the patterns, but the patterns have been throughout every iteration of this episode, right? It's brando. Does something best drinks or south down. Bettering stuff down a little girl. Beth is talking about how she's shrank ourselves down her life, right? And so I think she's string herself down again in this situation. But to me since we have the benefit of hindsight, we know that this is a roadmap to where they are now. So it's easy for us to be like, you know, this was the moment that could've avoided the latest moment. Like, if y'all would've just seen it, then and accepted it. But to me, I'm like, this is also the moment, we are both does the same thing. Right. Because she says it's thing and like when our watch it really like it made me cry what she was like. I promise not to let we promise each other not to get like swallow by the other person. And I broke that promise. And you let me and I said, that's it. That's broke a promise to herself that you know. But within the context of those vows, you you were not dutiful in your in your job is husband right to the point where you let her be broken let her break that promise to ourselves. And in a way that you I know you thought about it as Rando USA. I don't wanna be that person. Right. Like if you wrote on paper, this is where you are. Now five years, you will be having this discussion in your bedroom. With quiet voices saying the code is harder shit to each other. If I wrote that on paper five years ago, you'd say I want her to take a whole the hotel days off I want her to like I want her to to dance I want. Her to sing I want her to be happy. When you I love the juxtaposition of that first day, and then that lasts argument, and then on the couches because the love that starts things and did the paid leave you on the couch. But that's not what you were in taming when you're seventeen on that day. You know, when you were saying vows and sharing them, you did not intend for this like it's a tragedy in the way, an avoidable tragedy because at any point you could intervene, but everyone kept going back to what's for millions. You know, he's familiar with being supported and mothered, and she's she's familiar with string and eating everything. And it's just I don't know. It's just it was so much. It's interesting because and this is to the point where we're jumping around. But like at the end what he says, I'm not going to spam revisionist history. Where is it in this world where I'm the one who's doing this other thing, and what Randall does is mistake her strength. She has to summon up to support him as some sort of like that strong black woman trope fitting that we all kind of fight against an and makes me think as you're talking you saw us. Yeah. Talked about that scene in us. And this is not a spoiler kit. Is it's been a week go see it when when Adelaide says to Gabe. I'm making decisions now because he was incapable of making decisions he was physically injured, but still trying to dictate terms as she was like you can't do that. We're going to die. If I allow you. If I listened to what you're saying, I'm in control. Now, I feel like that's what Beth has been saying. And he sees it as a sign of strength, and she can handle it. Him being Randall and Beth is seeing it as a as I have to be strong. I literally have no choice is bad because Beth really turned into our mother in rentals is not Rebecca. But her mother like. The pattern of you know, everything I can run the house. I can do this. I can do that. And I think it's because she thinks that's what motherhood looks like being strong looks like that's and at the same time. She knows the down hearts of that. When she goes to take care of her mom, but the the patterns are so familiar man like. Is this tragedy is really a tragedy. You know? I mean, hope it works out or whatever. So so much because it allows these conversations, and and it it because it's more a lesser show would have just had them Duke it out or whatever the phone, but like are really important issues that that I don't think people really consider. And I think one of the major ones. Is is a factor. These things aren't black and white gritter bad raven people behave rated pill the way that people wave of people trying the manner enrich day half to protect themselves creates themselves, you know, exist in the world isn't necessarily against somebody else. I mean, like us Twitter's example of when people come on like this person did this thing to we. And the story sounds like that Carson is is going through something you happen to be in the way of that. So it's not a negative projection because you hit it. It's it's it's a gas lighting and manipulation. All those words have negative connotation with are not necessarily necessarily negative. If the person that's doing it doesn't realize that it's being done. And I think that's where we are with both of his Randall doesn't know what she's doing. She doesn't know what Randall's doing. So. It's this weird thing where they're supposed to be so fucking closed. We're on the same. Team y'all not really plan to say game. I love that you you said black and white as I was writing it down. Like, I was like, yeah. 'cause like to me that's why it was such a great episode even want to watch it ever again. Because that because it's not like, I do think lesser show, and I want to give them the credit date as a lesser show. Just makes like we cut back in like Rando like smack her and left the house, right? Like like something where we're like unforgivable this horrible, man. He was always trash, you know, or we cut back. You know, best standing over here with a broken wine bottle, and he's bleeding out on the net. Right, right. Like we like they don't do the like yet. And it's obviously like is easy. This like, no, it's actually messing complicated and her nuance and in a way much harder to fix in someone act, right? It's right. It's harder to fixing if he walked into the grocery stores, she's holding hands with another do. Right. This is much harder to fix than even that. Yeah. Swastika for the show. But yeah. Yeah. In the last argument like like as we've alluded to. Oh back to us. The other thing I realized by the NFL team is the reason because somebody told me that they were making Gabe, look weak or whatever. Like what I'm like me? I got a week. And I say this nigga literally didn't know what he didn't know. Yeah. She she knew she had to take over. She did know she didn't want to she knew where to go to get them. She knew all that all the shit dog. Okay. So sometimes out kidnap flaking, right? Like, our people showed up. He was not ready. Okay. Sometimes you got to take over the reins. All right. Sorry about that. Guys. We spoiled it. On. There's a book called it didn't start with you. By Mark woollen, W O L Y N N, it's about an inter generational trauma. But not in the though the way that you think is about how how your DNA changes based on things that happened like very early either in the womb or or. Or in your I like years of into infancy. So it's if your mom was really stressed out really worried all the time. And you have this thing where you're randomly stressed out randomly worried all the time you not quite sure where or what is happening it explains. A lot about those things. That's it. This episode made me think about books, so if people are interested, it's it's a really good read beyond. So. Then we get the final argument, which is like a knockdown drag out a part that we all get back to you know, after they close the door. She goes off about how she's always had to be the one drinking for. Shrinking for him. You know, like he does things on a whim, and she's always been ding in in. And like, you know, trying to keep him together. And. Sees like. Oh, initiatives is like, you know. And now here we are again give it what I love, and I did understand his confusion demo MacOS literally I could see bad being like, I'm never dancing again at seventeen and never bring it up in the marriage. And then today that she's been working at this job for a mother to being like now, you want me to give up my passion, and he's like pattern like excuse me. Now, you're passionate about dance. And he does you know, and she's like that line. We made a privacy wouldn't get lost each other not broken. And he let me which I loved. She just sit on them. And then he was like, nah, I'm not gonna let you just because she saying you always give a great speech, and I come running back, and we, you know, you make everything's gonna be okay. And it's not okay. And I you know, I fall for it. You let me and they were back to where we're at. You get your right? And you get your way and he's this down for a second. And he's like, no, no, I'm not I'm not gonna let you do this. And I thought he was going to be like, I am going to give a great speech. And maybe that's just say not to do. But but he went the other way with it and LOKI kinda let's competitors everybody. Let's get let's get ugly. Let's go ahead and start start the shit because I don't think whether they stay together. Not I don't think you can even move on Yawkey line each other. Right. And so he was like not you really be acting like you would dish it. So like. Like, I'm all out of speeches. I don't have anything else to say. Like, you let it seem like this shit is is is what's up or whatever. I I didn't. I'm not. It's not my fault. You waited forty years too late to get into your passion. I was like oh. Of a she was like, an she brought up means idea attacks like will, you know, I'm picking his idea attacks nigga, and I was like, oh, she brought up days ID. And he even he was like this is over like, which was probably smart that was the part where you leave. 'cause legit was like jowl will have to start yelling. If after this. And that was definitely the third rail. And maybe as you brought up earlier man that may have been the thorough the whole time like she is putting extra shit ourselves because she's Washington break. And then once you watch someone break you. It's so funny. Right. It's like you can never see them as not close to broken. Yeah. And he can never see her is not ever always having her shit together. 'cause he never been broken until now. And that was a very big moment for me. Ask you a question before I say where I'm during that first date seen when she said, I lost my father a year ago or last year. What did Randall say? I don't remember. I just remember them. Both kind of bonding over it. I don't remember him saying anything. I remember him. I don't know whether the waiter came by or whatever. But I don't remember him saying anything. And for some reason, that's important. But if he didn't that I don't remember him saying anything. Oh, yeah. They were about to bond over. I remember the look on his. Morris chestnut, y'all don't he like Joe more Cessna play gay to a time travel movie? Go ahead. And so I'm Amanda, let's do it. When he when he laid back on dorm room bet I was like watching the on the would also I was like, oh, it's all get a little bit. He might be my new favorite random moving on up the rankings. So the thing about what's what's what's interesting about that last scene is that? She wasn't lying. She's one hundred percent telling the truth like, it's an she's not wrong. But the way that he presented it makes it it's the nigger card card. Stay with the heart ER, you could be making all of the salient points. You could have all of it. But if you call me, the I hate I I said it was hard ER. And I got really uncomfortable. Like I'm sweating now. But like, you can say the N word, and whatever you said your argument is now invalid because of your motion response that I have now so she gave him that emotional response. And the way that she said it probably set off a bunch of all the shit that she was trying to avoid the last twenty years. She said all that all his abandonment, inadequacies self esteem, broken all that stuck with just that one comment that she made that made the conversation. Shen completely changed. It was no longer about what they were fighting about. And it turned into something totally different. And he was right to leave yet. I mean, you have to leave at that point. Also, he goes, you good news for you. I guess I'm out speeches. I say damn that was good line who wrote that good. Anyway, the thing I was gonna say though. And I, and I guess I'm asking you because I, you know, I don't have really experience with this. But why isn't that also like just the fear right that because you theme e quote unquote, break, you cmih deal with with something, you know, Desiigner trauma. Whatever I never get to behold again like I never get to be. Because in a way, she was also kind of undercutting his feet, which was that I'm strong because you're weak, and you're like you can't be strong. Because if I asked you to strong, you'll break, and I can't to put things on you and watch them bright. Yet. Like is. I mean, I'm I'm assuming in because it's bad. You know, she hasn't said it before in this kind of into undertone now, this is news to him. Which is you know, you're this broken weak, man. I mean is that a fear? You know, what I'm saying like of like in relationships of people see you go through and then they leave their. Yeah. One hundred percent like it happens so frequently and it happens on on on different levels. There's like a soon as death said that she regretted it and wanted to take it back. But it was something that was real it in her head at some point in probably should've could've been addressed in a kinder way. So there's that. And then there's also the people who use it against you. So every so they could be doing horrible horrible things. But you're reacting to that thing you would. Is is is questioned or you being bipolar again. When it's like, no, I'm legitimately mad. But if you you made me upset, and I am upset at what you just did. If has nothing to do with my mood. It has nothing to do with with my health or whatever. But it does make it very difficult because no matter how much people no matter how much people think they understand. They don't know until they actually see it. And once they see it. It is a lot in. It is very difficult to continue and move forward because if take so much more work than just a regular relationship. It takes so much more. No, let me back up it takes more work than you can ignore in a regular relationship, you can ignore and could off and don't deal with a lot of stuff in a quote, unquote, normal relationship that you can't do a relationship with somebody who's New York divergent because those things are almost. They're fatal. You just can't do that. And so the level of communication that has to exist the level communication and also the level of self reflection that the person with the with the with the medical condition has to do. So if they're not in a vertically manipulative, so they're not inadvertently gas lighting. So they're not in a vertically playing. The victim in every situation are having the out of jail free card with their mental health that takes so much work and everybody has to be able to do that work because when you witness somebody fall apart like that, you don't know really what caused it. You may know what set it off. You may know what the trigger was or what you saw. But you have to know that. Something that happened much much earlier is what set it off do. You know what I mean? And you may not know what that is. So you're walking on eggshells because you're not really sure what the beginning of the spiral was you saw the part of the spiral where can no longer be contained. But you don't know what that is. And the person might not know either. So it is this balancing act. It is. Is is is is more. It's more than anybody should have to deal with if they don't wanna deal with it. And then like, obviously is kind of sprung on you like even though we've seen the issue for Rando, even when he was a kid for Beth. It's something that popped up in their marriage. You know what I mean? Like, I think it was after tests was born. She said it was the first one so to her. It's like, oh, I'm dealing with something out of my bands. Like, you know, that now I'm already married, and I have to decide if this is something I can deal with and you handle things, especially when shrink things down. Right. When you trick yourself. Now, you handle things until you break. And because I think she can't see him as not being broken or not being able to help with anything. She can never see herself is. Not holding everything. And now she's decided I've no longer hold in this shit. Like, I wanna go do my dance shit, and you need to figure out what that means for you. And it's such a drastic change to the relationship. But is not like we're in in a way is almost callous because it's like is not like you're worried about his mental health right now. You don't care about being based like it went from. Maybe I can put a little bit of this load on you to fuck you. I'm always carrying the load, and you you don't realize. Yeah. Yeah. You're not doing any favors by doing that. Right. And I think people I think people do kind of infanta lies and clink, even if you're not asking them to they take it upon themselves to do that. And just to go back to your earlier question for me. It's always been I don't have a choice now 'cause you can just Google my name and my entire medical record shows up on the first page. No, it doesn't. But. Before I became very famous. She's an author. Always. It was either. Do I tell this person early? So they can make a decision now. Do I wait until? Something happens. I just hope nothing happens at what point do you? Do you have is conversation, and it's tough like people make different decisions. I've made the decision just to like, you know, chill because my triggers are are are are heartbreak shit where I know I'm not that heartbroken over this, dude. But the heartbreak gave me permission to have the depressive episode that I couldn't really manage where I couldn't really figure out how to get to two months ago. You know what I mean? So it's a lot. It's a lot lot lot. It also. I dunno not. Yeah. That's that's what makes the show so beautiful. Is that is not so simple. Yeah. And like I say and not love by the way. I actually do love that they had the low blow days, I think because I do think if you don't you really do leave it up to everyone to just be like best is victim and rainbows this monster. Yeah. And you need a moment of like. Oh, that's right. This is all kind of fucked up like. And I can't believe next week season. Finale. I don't know how to fuck they say how why right at this point. Because the other thing now that they've gone far at this point. She could quit the dance studio could quit running for city council. They still have the problems that got him there. It doesn't even fuck in like not that it won't matter. Obviously all that stuff would go a long way towards reconcile. And if he quit his thing. But at the same time, it was still would be like, but the underlying premise of what's wrong is not these are big symptoms of what's wrong. Not not the ultimate like oh. Well back. He's one guy again. She's heavily married. Nope. Nope. Y'all say that shit y'all said it. All right. Yeah. So that was a recap part. Kappa start you having therapy yet, a right of an you know, the other thing that that that's. And I say this as a black, dude. But I'm also saying it for Beth as a black woman other underlying tone of this blackout episode is like who gets to be broken. Because if like, none of us do like black men don't get to be broken because you can't no weekends, blah, blah, blah, black women. Don't get to be broken. 'cause then you're not a strong black woman holding a black man bag. Nobody ever gets like fucking take care of themselves. You just had to keep suffering, you know, through all this shit. And the only thing we have is at least we suffering to go and that. Yeah. That's that jogging struggle of it. Yes. Yes. The jagged edge. We ain't get no younger. We might as version of love. All right. Did you have a character you identified into this fire with in the this could be a segment? Mostly beth. I think yeah. I think for me probably Nathan b roommate. Said on his dorm room and just waiting to see how Randall's life was going. I mean, come on my name. To make another appearance. Yes. Got like a like a college reunion where we see Nathan I want to know what his perspective is his life. Mike with all those flowers. What what Radel all those flowers, and then like left in the dorm. Or? And you just have to suffer through it. Our love like the college reunion and Nathan actually turns out to be so on really famous famous Nathan. We're like, oh that was that was. Oh, wow. That'd be cool. And I don't mean like fixing favorites. I mean, like started we know in real life guys. Like, y'all pick the Nathan, I don't know. Nathan Scott Phillips seems like that would be a famous white man's name. Make Nathan Scott Phillips show up on the show and everybody was Nathan lane. And he's not he's not famous enough is the famous Nepalese too old damn. Yeah. We need unmade. That would be the. No, no, no, no, no. Can't have him for other reasons to not especially not a comedy Mellon to who them. Nate. Parker parker. I feel like he was at Carnegie Mellon while that shit went down. Let me go. Oh, no. He was on the wrestling team. I feel like it was like a mid western school either way either way, I'd do not want. We don't want Randall being roommates with that guy. I'm to college are in. From Kearney talk about talk about getting us show cancelled. If that having like randomly like, oh, yeah. Nate parker. This episode of like, no, no, no, no, no. William had another son. And while we we had to do the flags is like wrestling uniform shit in college. No, no way is not as you or this it who are you not feeling the most this week as much as I understand him from a philosophical. Theoretical level. I just think that that that that. What's his name right now? I don't wanna put that on him. I'm just take away to the asking the blink nigga ahead in narrow to be nervous. Mummy manager said tell your manager raises. Yet. And this is one for me to where like a I think also because we've seen things Reynolds perspective for so long. And this is the first time we're examining the opposite of that this season. Is just kind of like he could've been at for every episode of the season almost you know. But yeah for me. Yeah. Probably would go Rando in this situation. Just because a. How does the MVP season, right? This is the as the achievement award. The EMMY goes to this guy just as accumulative award because I felt like this episode did the best to show his like the pattern on both sides. So he wasn't as it wasn't as black and white, but he left he left that message, man. And yeah, can't did you know like the same way. I have empathy for him. Understood finding out Beth lied to him like own it like enemies having to be like pixes. Oh my God. Oh my God. How do I make this not about me? How do I, you know? I also understand like it was no conversation. We're gonna have in that room where he said that was going to be okay. Bye. No nigga you going back to Philly. Take the drive get on that couch, and then oh my God and Bisi she slept on the couch and not in the bed air own bedroom. God that was that hurt on my God. Although it. It would've been a Larry with like if they showed her sleeping peacefully sprawled on the bed. Just like. Smiling and content. Why got this big out outta my life? Good night. Wake up in the morning. Explain this girls. I think it was when I do this too much moment. Did you have one? The grocery scene when they ran into each other at the at the at the grocery store for number reason. I think that that that the whole episode could have been that scene. I feel like I just brought all the all the parts together and tied it in for me. It was a broke that promising you let me. Oh god. Yeah. That is dead. Nightmares? Made of you know, like you have moments with people you get an argument. I say something you like I'm gonna remember this for the rest of my life. Now, not too good way. 'cause I I mean, I know they were arguing so in a heated moment doesn't think, but that's the kinda shit where you're like, oh, she just finally told me the whole that. She's she you summarize the whole thing, you didn't even know it. But you did. And I failed by letting that happen. Okay. One thing. I was looking at the Carnegie Mellon. List of celebrities that went there there were quite a number black people that were in their class so writers have failed. Yeah. I wanna do here graduated with them. Like, he actually did you think Carnegie Mellon offended like they were at home. Like why I never we let. We had a very lit black history month that year. You know, what's funny is Carnegie Mellon was one of the schools that heavily recruited me when house in school. Like, I was like I've never heard of you. And I got so many fucking brochures. I could've made a book of the Rochas when gist Mellon. Why did they want what the fuck? Like, I didn't know what I mean you look at their list of notable celebrities bay new. He's gonna have a podcast. To get him. Now. This brother is a voice of a generation who knows I've probably be on the radio by now or some shit talking to white people. So it's probably better that didn't work out. It's time to respect yourself in polio. Paying up on rod Morrow, our myself because my wife and won't be part of it is. I I'm gonna I'm gonna pause it. So we go to the next session real quick. All right. We are black ready to get back into the podcast. We had eleven comments this week. And you guys know your very robo so many of them along. Let's get into it. Dr Mike, oh, Dr. Swami with us. Finally, my expertise in molecular biology is revealed for the show is a little long for this comment box. But please keep an eye out for my ten thousand were explanation of organisms. The mighty Qendra both the powerhouse of the sale and the initiator of cellular destruction is perfect metaphor for Randolph. Transition from being the powerhouse of the family to initiating the self destruction of his marriage. The writing has many layers seriously, though, thank you both for the show every introduced me to us in the first place. Thank you. Dr might here. Slama with us. Appreciate you. Get DNA studies on. City. It makes you, you know, saying you handle your organs. Okay. Y k l says y'all's hate for Kevin's ex. I can't be bothered. Remember her name is so hilariously blinding. I believe he was back on drugs. First of all Kevin has never been on drugs, necessarily, he has a drink himself an alcoholic stupor. But I mean, you are we had a pill addiction. He was trying to ride are. We know this. Roads really guys in the opioid crisis. We really counting the Kevin pop in a couple pills drugs. Why I forgot you guys? All right. Why don't you go? Oh, I was wrong. Why don't you go to a hotel for twenty four hours and watch live and single and come back to the show in and take our time you need? But a before you go episode of you start with without me. I believe he was back on drugs. We actually around the second time around the first time they were married cheated on her with more than one woman. That's true. When he came back to her the second time, it was after as ain't go. Well, with the other two women y'all crack me up first of all this feels like shea. So I think you're trying to come at us for supportive of Kevin so anti. Everything you said is valid, but I still stand by my opinion that she's trash. There's nothing else for her to be. But trash I hope she gets married in the move somewhere. So she's never threat since we in. Kevin Kim, doc writes in hey, rod and Bossi. We gotta get through this together. I'm simply done by the excellence of this episode from top to bottom the heavy lifting UNSCOM boat. This episode day. It was more than I expected the writing was so real the true love that proposal the tension. The conflict and chaos destruction utter destruction what breathtaking journey we were taken on by the saga of the many Randall's. Invest college random best soon to be engaged rent on bathtub, the burn Randall and Beth newborn baby nursing Randall and Beth William bum ass Kevin Dunn moved dead. Randall and Beth at Warren Randall and Beth and all throughout I feel Beth slipping away from herself and what she wanted to get not speaking to the into the filling fourth wrote it never one hundred percents strong European. What so ever until last night? She was she was too strong. He was like, oh when I said was married to a strong like the same. What I meant baby. I'm not really sure what rentals reaction would have been if she has any of those instances to be honest. The char would probably say followed by on speech, perhaps she would cave. Like, she always does. He's not incorrect win. He says she's a part of the problem and yet him saying that feels cheap and ring so hollow if you've seen it along with all along. Why would you let cycle continue unless you love that shit. That's why I don't believe he's saying it all to be honest like she's Brad breaking moments. He's he's fixed it and that was it. And he doesn't really know about her giving up her dream of dancing and mother, and he doesn't know about that trauma, and you can tell which is sad because you can fill around. But you don't know something to someone tells you in a way why God damn what do they talk about their so much came up. They don't know each of it that they don't know about each other aren't compatible. Like what how did they get here? I know we literally just saw their their love story. But all the holes, they need to go back and plug them because I still wanna know how they went from that I ate to living together how they went from not want like this is a lot that still there. And also, you know bossy is also the thing with those payers are open book. And no one else is like that. Like this. I sit down and tell you my life story over the first day. No one does that. Yeah. And maybe it's jarring. And I'll put it in a way in Beth is very closed off. But I don't think she's like when it comes to relate ability. I feel like most of us can relate to Beth more than Rando because we're people like that. Where like, I'm meet, you know, I'm not going to tell you about the time. I fucking broke down crying in a restaurant. Why would that mean, I we talk about but we're random that's the first thing. Like I haven't as random Pearson. I broke down detectors Lear go and my father moved in. And then like damn nigger like let me breathe I would like a coffee. That far what he's like? My mother had a big fight. I wanted someone to walk over and be like, sir. This is a Starbucks. We asked you the pay or get out get out. But. I'm just thinking about this again cars. All things that we've seen Randall do that Beth had to deal with. It's not like he had a conversation with her about it. And he could his job. He brought his no no, I he who knows what he did before all of this. But true, we see him bring William home. Now lose with them. He quit his job. He says he's going to stay at home decides to buy building. Instead, they tell them not to knock the wall down. He doesn't anyway like he does it. And then she has to sort of pick up the pieces afterward and deal with it either. Like he already bought the house. What is she supposed to do? He already quit his job. And she just had a breakdown. What is he supposed? What is she supposed to do? The father comes home. Not only is he a strange, but he also has cancer anything. She does would make him would make her an asshole. Yep. And that's the thing. She don't want to be seen as the asshole in a relationship. But. He's doing like if if she's not going to be the asshole than he is. You know what I mean? Like, there's no inbetween these things he's doing and. And we've seen her caution him against our shit or being whatever. But he makes speech, and they fucking they make it work. You know, just says no when she asked him to stop the campaign. He said like okay now, I take it back because she has we've seen him. We seen her tell him things like the first the campaign was the first one that was just I know, but she called marriage, and he said, no, that's the first one that we've seen like that before this. It's been I understand what you're saying. And what if I can make it work by doing Blake? And she'll be like if you can make it work, then I guess I'll give it a shot. You see what I'm saying? This was the first time we've seen. That's why the season is different than me. Because it's the first time we've seen him be like, I just want my way. I don't give a fuck. You see what I'm saying? And so this is all been a reaction from that to this to where she said, I'm no longer carrying any of this shit for you carry it your fucking so. And so now, it seems like what a heart's reaction. But it's an equal reaction to what he started like. Yeah. She was at least, I know his revisions to a certain extent. But at least she was part of the fucking the stations before now, like at least there was some level. Like, okay, I heard your concerns. But what if we what about this? And at least you make the person feel like a part of what's happening, this this this fucking city council thing she never was a part of it was the opposite. And so like if any if the ultimate responsibility relationship, not working comes to anybody. It will come to rain for that. Yeah. She's been a Artor using them saying she'd been a partner she's old that much. Sorry, NTT made a good point when they when they have. She's like I didn't sign up to be a politician's wife. Right. Like like, she said fine. You did the thing you want the thing. Congratulations. But that's your thing. I don't why do I have to be a dinner. Why do I have to do all this like like this most? Michelle Obama stuff, and I'm not willing to do that. I did not sign up for this. And I agree with her on that point. Because remember last week. I was like why did she have to be there? Like, it made no sense for him to insist that she had to be at that dinner, and I feel like her him and just being the she had to be. There was more about him that it was the people. He was meeting. You know what I mean? I don't what at in his whether he just needed to be reassured that she still would bend for him. I don't know. Like, I do not know. But her saying that I did not sign up to be a politician's wife. That just like from me like boom there it is. You could have your job you chose to draw to drive two miles. I'm sorry to two hours back and forth. Every day. I that has nothing to do with me. All these other things have things to do with me this nothing to do with me zero. And that's exactly I felt to me to write to why are you super pressed of our being here and especially leaving fuck. And message and in all that shit. You know it, but yeah. I think even when we look at the flashbacks at our memories, we can still be like y'all were still in it together is only at that politician thing where I felt like y'all like, you know, longer asking your wife to be in it with you, you're telling her. Yeah. There's a big difference. I get that. It's always a problem. But that's the height of the problem. Like, that's the moment where I'm like. Okay. Well, this is what happens around on night's sleep on the couch and Philly, and you earn your spot there. Another thing. Go I forgot that this episode is the same night. Yup. She he left her that message. She needed some time. I hear what you're saying. I heard you it pissed me off it hurt my feelings. I need some time to process it. He wouldn't let her have it. He's forced that conversation. He could have said she told him wanna go. Yeah. Go to your couch, and you stay there. I think that's what a best. He couldn't leave it alone. You know? And that's because he's he has been so focused on himself ever since he decided to run for this in like council thing like he was already selfish out altruistic, Lee selfish. Right. Like if that's that's the thing. He was already altruistic we salvage but this was just selfish selfish. Like, you're like my family. Y'all gotta deal with this is the thing I want and. Yeah. So I think that's why we're here. And yeah, not giving her to. I who knows what the fuck. You would have decided she could have went home. But the point is she can get a chance he a chance you get a chance to really react to the message because she was putting on a face for the people like, you know, what I mean like that's a big deal to I think I think that's the that's part of the powder keg. And he meant what he said in that message like he like you try to be on some like ours tripping. And I love what she called him on that. Because he was like I forget what he was like a faux pas our impasse. And she was like empire. Nickel. What that message was hurtful in a way that like you meant that shit. Yeah. How you secretly feel? Yeah. You know? So they both got so good. Oh my God. I never watch it again. Oh my God. Oh my God. How do you talk to someone like that? And go to sleep. How do you do it? Anyway, every show has trope that we all either love grown about. So their scandals pace where they talk fast and Reeve for filth in very long broken sentences. The show will this show. Will this is us absolute death where they pour out their entire so firehouse story or the story of Jack many wonders or his death. Among so many other experiences to some Rando at a grocery store or the characters will have perfect story for the perfect resolution, Rebecca pulling that young Randall story out her without so much as breath. Yeah. You don't realize it would just be that white women best sitting awkwardly look staring off like, yes. So. Yeah. That was weird. You both have massively picked up on it. I die when you break down. Who does this kind of thing except for the big three? And Rebecca if we didn't think young Beth was back win back. Then surely we knew when she hit random with that this too much dog. I only met you fifteen minutes ago. Why should I care at the restaurant red or out kick this coverage back in the day? Even though he's also John that's a young Morris chestnut right there. And I hope he has a long career with arranger roles. Rando has always been a lot. She's always been bending to his will from the very first day most times, it's beautiful act convinced into something. But how sweetly he loves her other times? It has devastating consequences. She planned a wedding herself. While he wrote a dissertation at a way as wedding vows. She said it, but she didn't stand up and her shit. One hundred percent perhaps wrong place in time. But build up continue for years. I was shook as up when I ran up on her grocery store gag so many. Anytime during this episode to be honest, I felt so bad for her. She clearly just needed a moment where she dipped on them in lied about the Hershey trip. Why didn't she hit the grocery store outside of town? Where what part of the co was that she was crying out for a moment with all the men in the home s for us those K once he invaded her good time with his rely relate ability sat out to jagged edge and living. Single and Cudi sweater references yet other thing I can't see this Negga wearing a coup sweater are. What a good black Astor. We have win. It's the black Pearson episodes again, I understand the feeling just wanted to be allowed together with someone you love. But this was not that moment. Take the time. Take the win when it is offered she should have dipped on them and went to be by herself. What she said at the mini golf was pretty eft up. Even if she was being pressured to accept this proposal and the real proposal, still amazing. Even though we have already heard it was she truly ready to say yes that day or was she severally convinced to do. So who knows her allergy of nachos? Exactly what their relationship is. She caved again when he faced the smallest bit of a challenge from him. I think he could apologize for the voicemail and they move on. But she can she can never really doubt throwing his executive attacks in his face. She joked about it before in the past other people has never seen malicious. But this was a bridge too far, and I f- with her. I literally shouted all take it back. Oh, no. You just can't shit. She she went from classy to ask you. And I hated to see it happen. My question after watching that fight that lasted like twelve minutes was this was it just her nature to go with the flow. No matter how much she was drowning. He's absolutely right. She can't place the full blame on him for losing herself. They both have an Emo that they fail to acknowledge. He didn't acknowledge his set in the ways either he was just duck and full responsibility for his feelings, and I can understand the propensity to do that who wants to be blamed for twenty years Pinto fill-ins Rando death was definitely raised by white people. He didn't get his check back. I saw stars lot to her pocket on my second watch. That will that's the stuff. These ashaninka. Be started Twitter three about truly excited to keep. This emotional rollercoaster. They've hurt each other deeply, but I think love may see them through it, even if it doesn't I'm still anxious to see all info, y'all the shit in this bitch, Kim dot. A lot of thoughts. Skimming through though. Yeah. I like I very much see the way you said as far as like them both having. Like rose in it. I just think the responsibility, quote unquote is more on Randolph for the decisions made. And for not noticing. The fact is decisions have like. A marriage. I said last week. I think you can be right or you can make things right? And I think Randall is a I'm right? So therefore, everything's good. If I can convince myself convince you that I'm right, then actually get to do what I wanna do and that's not necessarily. That's not true. Like marriage is not necessarily matter. Meritocracy right. Grownup playing basketball, my brother, my my hours. If our if I'm four years older than him. If I go outside and banged him in the paint and scoring and win every game. Then my dad would come out and be like, you let her brother win sometimes because it's like what the fuck is the point of this for him. He's playing basketball to have fun to you and part of your job. And I know of marriage is not like a brother sister. You know, what I mean like there's no seniority. But the point is if you get shit your way all the time, and then guess what the fuck is not fun to be with you. And that's that's Randall to me and also. I think I think that Randall I think neither of them realize how much Beth had to do to make Randall shit work. And so when Randall had to start. Doing some shit to make Beth Beth stuff work. He didn't know what to do with it. I think he's got this idea that what he wants is noble and good and just he just wants to help people. He just wants to do this. He just wants to do that. So his stuff makes more is more important. I think that's also where the voicemail comes in his stuff that he wants to do is more important. It helps people you're just teaching bored housewives out of dance. Right. And what did you think about the justification of Jack in Rebecca's argument with Beth and random argument? I think that I think that. Scared. Randall into never wanting to have those conversations, which is why he has the speeches the speeches cut off those conversations and cut off. Cut those arguments off at the knees. So he's never learned how to argue. He's never learned how to fight. And I think that would also shows the kind of. He's the kind of Mirroring that he's doing with his parents. He's Mirroring them in all God goes back to us. He's Mirroring them. He's tethered he's Mirroring in a fun house mirror. He doesn't know what he's seeing. He doesn't know what he's ever been seeing. He doesn't know what his family's going through as far as he knows his family never fought. An in one day. They have this huge blowout. He doesn't aware came from. He didn't know what it built from. I don't think he knew that his father punch that dune the face. I don't think he he doesn't know any of that. So his context for arguments and his context for for disagreements with his partner aren't aren't realistic because they probably made pancakes next day, we're fine. You know what I mean? Yeah. I also like you say he does he's a childhood. So he's protected from some of the elements of his parents marriage that weren't the happiest and they've also romanticized Jackson much that is like he's flawless human being now, and they're all trying to live up to this. This this caricature of their father who wasn't alcoholic who did make their mothers stop her singing career. And I do know he was thinking what eggs, and it wasn't as simple as that was still this guy drunk and beat this nigga up in bar like that's not cool. So I do think that children were mostly kept away from that. So I could see how that was a thing where they where he thinks he's living up to something. That's really not the truth that you say funhouse mirror version of it. So. Yeah. And somebody in the chat brings up like the point which is if Randall hap-, Randall's happy things everybody else is happy. He doesn't see all the. All the all the MAC nations' that that have to go and happen to make it to make it. So you also bring up an interesting point. I'm so glad this kind back up because in the conversation. We're Rando in a car with William. I know you kinda doesn't really have nothing to do it as episode whatever I thought it had everything to do with episode because that was Rando saying how he handled shit is load in your apartment. I would say turn the fucking eat up. And I'll stay right Ray, Randall's that guy like he is part of him telling his life story is also he communicates exactly what he wants to people. And that's why that's why he's so blindsided by this idea that they're people around him who now are not getting their way because he's getting his way and for the in order for him to be happy getting his way, they go out to stay at my house, and you can keep your coat apartment. And he's I go to people's house and say turn up the heat, and that's the fucking. Him Beth and him at all the people around him as most people go. Rando themes that really want this thing, whatever just get it, just cutting. Yeah. Okay. Do you do that for so long, but in a marriage or somebody you can't do that forever? Hey rod in Boston. This is from trae. Well, I was glad we got this episode. But sad that saying it was only shown to show how Randall had always gotten his way throughout their marriage. Wow. This episode really show me random cavern one in the same because random really did use the storm on Beth in a somewhat similar way to Kevin use this charm on people Rando really be thinking about everyone except his own immediate family, Bethany girls negro, you have a family owned, and they need you there. Why can Randall not understand this concept? Also test data got the house they need to trust those girls can look out look out for each other. He doesn't understand he can't be everywhere. And be there for everybody. It's like he's chasing his dad's goes trying so fucking hard to be like he thought Jack was like some modern day superhero. But as we seen the season Jack was flaw to is easy. Like he is scared. It's almost like he's scared to fail anything, but Rando in the real world, everybody fails. Sometimes nothing is always perfect. You know, what else you may be thinking try when you've talked about his immediate family. How he he don't really feel feel like he's thinking about them. You know who else we're into isn't thinking about in this Tom himself? I know people say selfish, but it's unhealthy. What he does. He burned himself out trying to be perfect for everybody and trying to keep up this image and trying to fuck him. Look like, he's got it all handle any burns himself until he breaks. And then when he breaks it's another cycle of bed, come fix me. And now Beth feels like she can't have a lie to her own and all this shit. So like, it's like, it's a altruistic selfishness. That's what it is. Yeah. Everyone needs me. I'm I'm going to fix everyone. I'm going to hang like, no, nigga unite. You're hurting yourself and by extension everything or other person you claim to care about. You know, 'cause even the people in that district. Are you going to be hurt? If he can't do that job. Yeah. This is now a clean you all of that. He made all those promises, and he made all the promises we got haven't. Oh god. Now getting out again when he went to the the former city council, I keep wanna call them, Jane. So oh, he went to Saul's office. And was like I asked you our ago, if you're going to turn the light on and he was like, it doesn't work that way. So then he just goes and starts like making all these promises that are that nobody could keep, but he has to find a way to keep them. And that means inconveniencing a lot of people. But at the end of it, he did what he said yea Randall Randall such a good guy. So great like. And so even if Becca per job, even if everything went, right? You still have a whiteboard that you can't fill out because you have to be somewhere for hours away or whatever the fuck every day. Like, even if everything went right for Randall. And there were no problems. Everyone was on board. He's still is burning himself out. Like, yeah. This is a pattern that he's had for three years over extending him. So even with the rather derivatives derivative job where you had to break down. He was over extending him. So with this job he just over extends himself until he's broken. And then he goes somebody help put the pieces together again. And that's that's the thing too. I keep I wanna watch the entire the entire scene. What I see like he remember when we were. We just met them. Right. So we love them when I think about it. Now, his boss didn't say anything, right? He's like I'm just going to give some of your case work to rise to Robbie Rasi was go with it was let's go. Mommy. I'm going to some of your cases to Rami keeps. Look that means something else right and decided to start overworking himself to make up for this being that he created in his own mind. We still don't know we still remember when they were kids and Kevin while buys when he was like sobbing. Yeah. Because he was again at like put these impossible standards on himself. He was gonna fall short or he was just worried that he would fall short and that was enough to make him like three cow the library where he goes to the dance. And he's studying might Condra in stand because he's he's always put any standards on himself that are. Like to too much for one person to handle by themselves. And unless you have the kind of wife that is the baby I'm just here to make sure everything and your life goes because I only dream is that you have drains, which literally they're like, no people like that. So it less has less. That's who you have on your team. You can't do what you're doing Randall. And now look at him. And I think Randall is constantly trying to prove to himself and the world that he deserves to exist and the only way that he can do that is by being. A superhero or because he feels like I think he's told himself that he's doing it for all these good guy, quote, unquote reasons, but it's really because he doesn't wanna be thrown away. He doesn't wanna be less, and he has to make sure that all these things. Oh, sorry. I'm all over the place. The whole thing was city councilman. He didn't start getting real fire about it until saw question his blackness. Then he got real like, Aw. I gotta prove that. I am you know, whatever. And then he that's when he kicked it all into high gear. I feel at some point. He might have said maybe too much and backed up, but when he was challenged in a way that made him feel like he wasn't a part of something like that. He was being excluded from something he kicked it all into high gear. And that's where the I want to see when when when when Beth approaching about quitting. He said no because it wasn't about the REIs anymore. It was about it was about him and proving that he deserved and he had the ability to be where he needed to be or where he wanted to be. It reminds me when I see who are good fathers. You get close to me talk to them. And they kinda like breakdown their motivations you always bonded as like two types of dues to do. Who are like I'm gonna be a good father because my father was a good father. And I just. Wanna live up to examine. And then there's the other do who's I want to be a father a good father because my father was shitty. And he wasn't there. Whatever I would never let that happen to my kids right to me Randall's the height of both. He's too. I wanna be Jack Pearson. The perfect, man. And also, I wanna prove to the father who abandoned me that. I'm this perfect man as well. Because keep in mind here originally brought William to his house almost to like show it off right like Littleton. Look what you left in the dumpster motherfucker, Steve at whatever one hundred thousand dollar car back there. That's mine. Right. Like, the wait. Oh god. And that's an S his motivation and his funny into ways because he wanted to flaunt that on the William and he ended up softening because he is Jack. There's he's not that's not to be. Yeah. Like this vindictive. Look at my car motherfucker. But then the other way is like deja what she's like, you've let this thing to find you, and I don't want that to be my story of I don't wanna become living in a cargo for every for the rest of my life and Brando's completely find being dumpster baby for the rest of his life like motivation. It's also identity in a way. My hope from the season finale previews Iran Odessa, stepping down from his counsel position puts on his members only jacket and stars a new weather, derivatives company at works from home LL is what Beth deserves Randall lay your lady nine dollars. She let you shine for years and your marriage do right by her Negga LL isn't living single conversations twenty Randall and Beth by the way that was so cute. Not the bossy. Okay. That was a linen level if relation you just waiting Staka you fail that bullshit. No at Rebecca VN in a bad car wreck. Hopefully, that's not why they're going. We're going to visit her from the flash foreseen. Thanks again, right bossy. You know, that's going to be like the last scene of the episode and shit. Crashing their car. You know, how they do? Classic RV. And baby Jackson the backseat. No, baby. Jack is in the trunk because somebody forgot. Rebecca, fry that. She took the groceries in the house and put Jack in the trunk and then some L God ever mecca crashes because she's having another one at all the Rainman moments. She's like what are their thirty seven leaves on that branch of that tree crash? All nine eleven all. And that that's this is guys a million little this crossover next week a million little fears a million fares is make these big ass crossover. Romany mouth gold star. Stars is out. Stars as the other black men. Right. Oh, here's an is. That too man study great ever saw right walks up immediately. You know, I'm getting a divorce because I ran for city council. My wife was not on board with it told her she called marriage, and I said whatever I don't care I'm doing around anyway. And so now commute four hours every way and take care of my daughter's third. This is a Wendy's. Such a great episode classic. Every lover I love how to show sift it the random paradigm, and at least for me, I'll still pissed at random, but this episode proved our complicated relationship our show. Why it's just not that simple. We went into thinking we will watching the great black couple around before is where when in fact, we dry we were dropped into the in phase or relationship that was slowly Raveling for years. I dare say given what we saw I question Rando a Beth whale paired in terms of their individuals sales as a couple they were surfaced perfect. But the positive whole seems like skew hell the show laid the foundation with the note William left Beth when she when he died as an adult living in that house and watching random best union objectively and without the baggage of having borne witness two years their years together before marriage, he knew they were in serious trouble. And that Beth couldn't find voice she would break while best book a lot of troops. We're was also right when he told her down some level her rolling their relationship was exactly what she wanted it to be for lack of a better. Phrase. Some part of Beth love Randall self absorbed need needing this that centered her because she hadn't yet found the inner strength to challenge. Our mother for taking away her dream, and this left are floundering Rondos, randomness gave Beth dumping of sore all her excess time and energy nothing. Notice how the acceptance of random proposal came out the Rebecca to- Beth how she centered Randall and made him feel purpose shit. That is a good point. Because I was like that story was opposite from me that would have been like like bossy said, oh, so we breaking up breaking up. But his dad she was like, oh, he needs me. It's no coincidence that things are coming to a head. Now that Beth has plane her emotional dragging this episode at so many new layers to the best episode damn I let it show. Thanks army lover. Yeah. That letter from William really was a lot of foreshadowing, and she found a voice in bam. Rodel yet. I'm sorry. Did you want to add anything before I moved to next one? I'm looking forward to seeing a bunch of like flashback conversations between Beth in William about. 'cause I wanna see what else he had to say about what he observed about about Randall and their dynamic too. Because if you think about it William was also part of hurricane Randall like he just got a rooted like he went to visit. And then he just lived there. Like, he didn't get a chance to like he had cats. He had friends he had all these other things, and he just got a swept up like Randall set Windall said we're gonna pay for all his medical stuff without talking about about it. I. Some interested to see what kind of conversations they've had about about hurricane Randall. Yeah. Also, you know, I still remember when we win Beth didn't think she got to say goodbye to William. Yeah. She found that letter later. So you know, I definitely can see our. Are. Yeah. Yeah. All that shit. Randall it's like William knew her in a way that even Randall couldn't see you because he had been together so long. Yeah. Beth was bad. The fuck up this from falcons diva. Okay. I know how y'all are able to look at both sides of the black Pearson relationship because I can't of so much so much about this reminded me of my marriage. And I've said before Beth is me, and I'm Beth Avent like Randall since the Las Vegas episode. So this has been building for me too. I felt bad for Beth from the beginning before I got married. The best advice. I got was communicate my likes and dislikes their disagreements. My ex always flip it back on me. But I always say what I needed to say. Like you ride. I'm not one for a bunch of drama. So we rarely have full blown arguments at the two years having the same argument. I was out like Beth our sometimes guilty caving in to keep the peace. What's funny is when I told him I wanted to divorce, and listen, all my reasons he had to admit that I had expressed my discontent before. But because I wasn't yelling emotional. He didn't think I was serious. Anyway is free now. I'll admit best panic attack comment was a low blow, but Randall has been delivering little cuts for years. Even I did the we bay gift when she said, I had to remind myself to breathe I think also though in the context of that voicemail coming like, however long before oh nigga, you know, what else bossy the voicemail and then the realization and then each person driving their own car back home for how many hours nigger. Oh. I don't know what he thought he was going to do. He really should have stated that office. Right. Right. Like that. I think about halfway home and go, you know, I'm not driving to hours. They get killed in my sleep. Then I remember his comment in Vegas about her. Not having a heart. His simp- is multiple. Yup. Got about that his multiple don't talk about my mama comments and the voicemail, yo I love how they flash back to jacket Rebecca argument when Jack belittle Rebecca singing career at a late as that was another. We bay gift moment. Then that nigga says she waited twenty years to dream nigga. The difference is Randall quit his job to dream and never really tried to get another good paying job Beth. Did he say you waited twenty years to say it's not my way to win the years too late to have a dream all Randall. No, listen. She shouldn't said what she said. But I understand you. Right. I understand she had to call them nigger. But that was a lot. Of job tried with no success to get another job. And then realized she needed to realize her dream. Well, I mean, she could have got that job. Gene crown interview man, like it also bothered me that she never told them. She cried an interview like that's when she tell you partner, man. Like, that's that's bigger than you. You can't get another job. But I don't know. I get it. But I get it. I get why she didn't. But I I guess there's a million little things that could have. That could happen differently. Gotta change the whole thing. Lou, I'm getting heated just thinking about it. I call rental a whole ass bitch. When he let the voicemail, but I was ready to win millions as of the end of this episode. Hey, hey, y'all recap this episode. I'm sure you'll help me see everything look ler, by the way, all caught me off guard with this one. I was semi stocking bossy social media to see she was still torn I was trying to gauge when y'all do this too much. I hope I can be in the live chat next time. Can you believe there's only one more episode? Love y'all you to diva and. Yeah. Man. I don't know we helped you see things on both sides. My goal is not to be like both is equal. I just feel like what you're talking about relationships. Like marriage is almost like a company, and when a company fails is never one person made the company fail. A bunch of shares in the company to fail is an endeavor you took on together. And so while you may not be as equally responsible. There's things you could've done checks and balances that don't get checked. And then you end up here. Right. I don't I don't know anything about your marriage or your divorce. So I'm not trying to personalize it. But I I would bet that if you have like a counselor or somebody or whoever some third party looking at it, they'd be like and indeed other things where you could intervene, and that's not that those messages, fix your marriage. Is that those lessons can maybe taking into your life later, whether it's in is relationship or another relationship the next time you start a company or whatever you now. No your patterns, and you're like, okay. When this happens, I'm going to stop right here and voice my concerns forcefully because I know what happens when I don't. Yeah. Let's see writes in Harare bossy. This episode absolutely heartbreaking. I love random Beth so much. I can't understand why the riders will do this. Why would they show us the seemingly perfect couple in the pitted me a black love only to tear them apart? You know, say, hey, black people, y'all. There's a conspiracy. But one thing this shows demonstrators that Randall is Jack I never realized how much episode Rebecca has been to Jacksonville all throughout their marriage. And when she follows her singing her Jack separated, I think Beth randomly separate too. But I hope like Jack. And Rebecca they find their way back to each other. I I. I agree. But I also just realized to that they ever dated anyone else because all of three times a child was. Was ballerina was being a Bali person on being a ballerina? We had confirmation that Randall was a virgin he did did I white girl to father, right? And I remember that too. All known each other. Like dig never known anybody else that I know that sometimes that's great. But in a situation like this. I feel like they need to learn other people for a little bit. Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously different things for different people. I think relationships are so much look that people just do not factor in LA like, and and it's really societies because we make everyone feel bad if they're single we make everyone feel bad at they're together with someone in that happy, you know, make you feel bad if you decide to make different choices than what society is deemed. Why is okay for you? Right. Like, you don't wanna have kids your fucked up for that? Or you don't wanna have a house your fucked up for that. You don't wanna get married? You just wanna like be together with this person or you wanna nontraditional marriage like and so. Sure, it could work. You know what I mean? But the thing is when you're in a relationship like that like Medicare together forever. Whatever the the is now that you don't fail. It's not that you don't make the same of down a single people's make. You're just making them together. You know, and you're you're affecting each other throughout your life. So I don't like may. Now just depends on the person. I may not need to learn like by being cheated on that that that that this is what is untrustworthy, but I'm still going to learn that lesson somehow because we're still to young people trying to make life, right? It'll just come in a different form. I think for them. And it's just I'm is this these patterns built they built until they broke and it can happen to any of us whether you dated a thousand people whether you're single shit. You could do it to yourself. You could be single and still fuck up your own life, somehow, at least you all right drag. Me of sorry. I didn't mean I was not present company excluded. But you know, what? I mean, like, it's a happy man because we're human that we make mistakes, and we're flawed and you really need a little bit of luck. Man. You need some hit the brake. Right. You know? And they ran out of luck. You know, like because he just kept pushing it. I'm not saying they ran out a look just and just unlucky. He kept pushing it, but he's always been pushing it and now with the jobless shit and all that you just ran out of luck. You don't have the money to cover this up. Now, you don't have your parents to take care of your kids to you. There's nothing to run to now is you embarrassed Marlena chat rooms other. They never set boundaries. And I think I think what we learned of them from the bay beginning, which is that there are team comes into play. Because if you're a team mate, or whatever somebody has to pick up the slack in order for the team to move our to work or win, whatever sports. But. Neither of them. Have. They don't have boundaries. What's his name definitely doesn't know how to respect boundaries and Beth doesn't know how to set boundaries. Oh, bingo. Let's see. Yeah. Finish this see most of problem. Okay. I don't think I did this. So this is. Eva says heartbreaking love Beth rental. So much candidates down. The writers did okay second verse. While I do random was mostly at fault for their problems Beth whole some of the blame as well. Closed mouth. Doesn't get fed. Yes. Randall is overwhelming. But at this point Beth need to cert- herself. Instead of letting it fester all these years, and now she ended up saying something she couldn't take back. Sure, what she said was below the belt, but his voice mail was out of pocket to hope. They work it out because the show doesn't work this show doesn't work without their beautiful black. Love question. Mark e PS fuck selfie. Yeah. They. Yeah. I hope they here's the thing. I hope they work it out. But I hope they work it out healthy like not like if they're going to work it out. I just hope it's not quick fix like he makes speech and then the fucking season finale is over it can't be that. Yeah. You know, I look he'd be okay with we into evening. He's still sleeping in Philly. And she still sleeping in the house. And like they got some work to do next season. I'd be okay with that for. I don't think I disagree with with the the show being hinged on people black love. I think it's it's such a it's such a realistic. I mean as far as TV show can be realistic. All like, there's so many elements get so right that it would be wrong for them to like make it all better. All of a sudden, I feel like they have to they they they kind of have to at least in the season separated for the show to to to live up to itself. Well, I think it is his beautiful black love because when Zoe looks at Kevin I can feel out of beautiful black love in the room. So that's when Kevin is. A healthy relationship than Randall and death. Did you ever think you'd see a day? I mean, I did. But I, you know, I we call the early with Kevin I felt like it was always possible. And not that I wanted to see this happened. Randall in Beth, but I mean, people go through ups and downs. You know, so I can see a day when when Kevin was operating at a better place. I mean, LOKI Kate my too so. Yeah, Kate Cates. All matured stuff Keeton Toby working harder than I'm just saying random you slam. I don't know how happened, but you just slip down to Pearson rankings pretty far. Good luck. Hello, Bosnia rod. So look this is from Allegra. I number one. I hope firm idea about Kevin hoping that he could change always my own having children Kevin has never had a declare statement on not having kids. I'll tell you did didn't I about not having kids after. Okay. So it was when Kate says she could be the only wanna pass on father's jeans. And then I and then Kevin was like fake offended for second. And then when call it on it. He was like, yeah. I I'm not trying to kids. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I remember it. But okay, that's how I remember it too. That's how that's how it happened. Yeah. They didn't go into it any further yet. But it felt like he wasn't like I'm trying to have some kids. Like, this is a big dream of mind. Zoe was permit clear by our plans to not have children. I think that Kevin is not conniving. But I do think that he thinks he might be able to charm his way into change her mind, a friend of mine got married to a woman who in the beginning of the marriage status. She did not want kids, and my friend was very charming. Outgoing talker was somewhat ambiguous on the matter year later they were pregnant. I find it. Interesting side, compressor women thinking that kids are what they want is what makes a marriage complete. Like, I said, we'll see what happens. I don't think the show is going to go that way. I hope it's not that. But let me just draw one more Carabali here. And you know, you're married. So I know, you know, you know, how far this Hanes like like, this is one of the problems with the way, we've you marriage and society, we've you it is like this looking finished debt like I am complete human being I signed into an agreement with you. And then we agree to be complete human beings. I'd never changed. What a restaurant bucking laws. That's not. That's not the truth there. Like, there are people who are Embiid with having kids and they get married anyway. And then five years later like I'm actually not in biggest anymore. I really do want. This thing, you know. And now it's up to you to decide is my relationship worth having to have these kids. Do I still feel the same there? You know, one of the things that happens like say was oh this I'm not saying this happened. But let's let's go with us. They get married five years in the future from now. She may be like I'm with Kevin I feel safe in a way I never felt with my history with my father. I feel I trust this man in. Away. 'cause I, you know, the violation of a father doing that to their daughter. That's oh, it's okay. That that would make you feel away for the rest of your fucking, right? But there's a possibility that being with this other do and in what is healthy relationship, hopefully in a functional relationship, you could get to a point where you're like I have soft my stance on this. Absolutely. I think we should like that should be. Okay. Like, it shouldn't be like what society made you it's possible. You just soften because like made you soften. And the fact that he even mentioned it after saying, no, no way means that he feels safe and comfortable, and that's more about his relationship, which is why he'd rather preserve the relationship. But if you were to change his mind, it doesn't mean necessarily that he's going to that. He manipulated got manipulate baking was trying to trick her or something. Yeah. I don't think it's devious ways he thought to say, wow. If you've been to have a little baby Zoe running around like that's something that you feel. Feel when I think it's normal with your partner, right and goes away or you decide to move forward. And I don't think it has to be that that devious and just as I would not say that she forced him to not want kids like I wouldn't be like manipulated. She knew he wanted kids, and she manipulated him and said, maybe we need to break up. If you wanna have kids, so he had a line. I wouldn't put that on another person. Because I felt like she stayed it what she wanted. He had to think about it. He had to automate matter of fact, this is kind of personal experience because my wife doesn't wanna have kids. She didn't wanna have kids. I was big on it. I was like I I mean, it's what people do, you know? I mean like, but she was serious about it. And I was like, okay. And this was after we're married that 'cause we got married young. So this why when I talk about like, you know, people view, this marriage is like, you know, you got to do this. You're going to go to this shit where the twelve people or one 'cause. Because life's gonna put you through certain cycles. And so when she said this I had to really think about it. Like, okay, I love this woman. I want her to be happy that's more important than meeting fucking having kids and being miserable or having my wife be miserable. And I'm happy with some kids or some shit like that. And I was like, yeah. Absolutely one is your body. What do you had kids? What am I Mr. from in color purple? So it was like, yeah. That's you know, what I love you. And that's fine. And I'm sure about this like I'm not gonna like I'm sure as I can be right now. Like, I can't like I can't read the future. But I don't feel like I'm gonna turn come in the house on Thursday and be like, you know, actually, doubted three babies on the way home. Right. So so that, but that's only the only can give her is certainty. I have for now. And I think that's what Kevin gave I don't think it was out say this shit, but I'm slowly rubbing my hands it other, and I'm gonna like actually make you have some babies, I at least I hope to show with not do that. Yeah. I don't think it's that. I want to go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure. Okay. All right. Number two. I mean because if you want kids by I will. Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to you trick me. You got me. You may as we can have maybe guys, and she got me never actually joking now. I I want to say I think that it's also for people who have kids to admit that they that they made a they would have made a different decision. Yeah. Had they known. And I think that people feel pressured, especially as parents when I rise seen a parent who is like obsessed with their kid in a certain way, I'm one I always wonder. Okay. Are you doing this? Because you have to convince yourself that. This is a thing that you wanted are you are you trying to convince yourself that that that that that this is just a happy little thing that happened. I think it's a should be okay. For parents to say, listen, I did not want this or I didn't want it. This. This way because if you pretend not to that resentment feeds off onto your child just the way like in marriage, like it's the same kind of you have to know where you begin and where the child ends. So that whatever kind of regret that is normal feeling doesn't transfer. Right. And honestly with all that it takes have a baby like. Zoe feels like the kind of person that if he pulls some shit on her like that she'd be like, that's it. Like, okay you lie to me again. And I'm fucking out. Like, I don't think she out. Anyway, I hope our is not what you said Allegra. I hope not also feel like if something happened. I feel like I hope they don't do this because this is a standard trope where they had this conversation. They don't want kids. And then there's a pregnancy scare and and then comes out the Kevin really does want one. Because now it's possible. I hope they don't do that. But then I also think that the character that they've given us as we we just have an abortion like it just like that. Would that would be a non issue if that's what happened, you know? So. Number two that aims ATI shot that Beth made to render was terrible cough for. But I get Beth was unintentionally trying to cut deep now for Rando gaslight and Bethel some revisionist history. I think he clearly believes that what he was doing his, right. And that his job feels more important in best. Of course, he would never confess that. Because he does not want to be the bad guy. He does not want to embody that person. He saw Jack the night he witnessed Jack. And Rebecca how the big argument he constantly wants to be Cape. The Cape crusader, and the choices that he has. You know, laterally made are based on him trying to say the world. How can bet be how can say no to that. I do believe that Beth has responsibility in these things escalating, but Randall comes in high all the time and goes eight hundred ten percent, everything he does every emotion you feel steamrolling over Beth. I don't think Beth is wilting flower. But merely trying to be an equaliser to rain and his big personality. I agree with pretty much out at. Number three. I love the flashbacks legal says this episode, and that sees a finale looks like it will indeed too much. I don't think that Beth random. We'll get a divorce because of the fact that even though they were the angriest they have probably ever been with each other. They're still a hint of longing in their final scenes. Also, located was probably the most honest I've ever been with each other. You're saying I was. I like there's something about that kind of that is like I said it's better in a way because you were finally honest. So if there can be something real built off of this it'll happen because y'all finally pulled y'all stop pulling punches right as opposed to. Yeah. We're gonna just go back to our pattern of metering. And then you doing whatever fuck you want like, whatever. If I was truly done on. My husband has no hell obviously on the floor and not in the damn bed. Love you to convert review of this great show LEGO Shepperton show too. I forgot that they showed us Randall CNN argument and at the time it felt kind of weird. Watch just Rando. And now it's like oh. Play the long game. Does so good. We don't deserve their writers. I ca- trees says I can totally relate to the RV situation. I've been on both sides of the coin as tiptoeing around ultra sit to the person's films and also the ultra sensitive person that couldn't receive constructive criticism. I think the writers gave a great context the best current frustrations. What can be seen as a naval best part is actually rooted in the fact that Randall is ultra sensitive in nedia isn't self-aware looking at their relationship without context kind of manic where he can be extremely passionate and supportive and loving. His inability to hear best needs criticism, and there's emotional splurges. Choices are totally draining derail. And I think Beth fields is though she's been patient and supportive and just can't take another roller coaster ride with him finally found it extremely interesting. Randall said Beth relish being controller her household. Another example of how clueless Randall is I don't think he understood that she took on that role. Because she had a sacrifice yourself for him. Like she told him as they were eating nachos. They're both strong willed and ambitious but random obsessive and she'd have to step aside. Yeah. Now, she's finally able to be obsessive about something with the dancing thing. And he can't handle it. We like that. Sometimes there are some as you said I wanted to go back to that at A O and a strong household thing. I really feel like that's more her mother, then Randall. Yeah. So all right. Although he could notice I mean, all this pay attention pay attention your house. You never know. You know is the scary part of being married and shit. Right. But I guess even being single, right? How many people have written about like I wasn't paying attention to myself. And then I was like, oh, yeah. So I guess it can happen. Absolutely happened. I just think that it usually happens in ways that are almost like a slow gas-leak. And then you look up in the fucking house is on fire. Hey Randall, I mean, granddaughter rod bossy. What am I doing? It was a lot. I'll make episode. They are get their book. That would be the next episode is everyone at every both couples an individual therapy because it's clear they both have a lot of stuff to work on themselves. Seeing the way random pursue Beth almost relentlessly. Brought up a couple of mixed emotions for me. I thought it was we had hardy tribe. But it was also just like it seems like he never really turned tuned into what her interests are. But what he thought her interest were? Yeah. Knowing that they're fighting and watching that story you you feel differently about his pursuit of her. Then if it now have been having a good time. It's like, oh, this is kind of sweet kinda creepy. But most importantly niggers a lot of nos. Like I need to. I mean to know more detail about how they went from that. I eight two two two seven years would he did? She get tired. Like, I can't imagine there be anything that he that. He like, what could you possibly said or done? Yeah. I'm I'm reading Daming Young's book, and he has his chapter near near back about women and rape, culture and stuff and the just having read that par where he's talking about like pursuing women and how like there's things men assumed to be like from our perspective is just like, oh, yeah. She got off the bus, and I like went to ask her number. She was standing by self, and I started her, but you know, she engaged in I walked off. But that could be like a harrowing experience from her point of view likes him. It's just like it was a meek you. But for her was this creepy nigga got off the bus and follow me to a bus stop while standing, right? That feel like that feels like Randolph. Nice got him like that too. Right. Like, you know, I said, I I've been asking around about you. And I knew you'd be dancing. It's like. Kinda look comfortable. I'd rather. Also, one of those things, and I say to lock to people like there's a thing where you can say at your wedding. I knew from the moment I met her. I was going to marry her right? That's cute. When you actually meet her and say, hey, hi, I'm Randall, I'm going to marry you one day. That's weird. Jimmy. Jimmy onto think whatever you wanna think it's when you put oxygen to it and tell somebody and say out loud that it gets weird. It's the hindsight that makes it, okay? Right. 'cause like even now we're only is not that it was never creepy. But it's more creepy knowing the fight they're having. If change the episode is the episode where Bethany Randall take vacation together. And then it, oh, what a nice meek you. He never gave up on her. He always loved her pursued her and she just had to come around him. But if that is like nigga, you always get your way. Yeah. Great writing. Also, hold the next episode. We see how Beth went from telling Rando often the first day to being engaged to the main seven years later. Like was he just blowing up the whole time? What that did throw me out which school? Did they go to for undergrad? I thought that it was Howard time. But best say that people wanted them today because they're the only two black people in this in the year. Did they do Howard for grad school? I don't know if they ever went to our army ever went to our just made that assumption. Yeah. Soom that's where he had to have met. But. But bath now, of course, the show I wonder if we're gonna see scenes of every time he wants to talk to to to Beth he calls, Kevin. Kevin one that walks him through going from creep to whatever it is. It ends up changing her mind, Kevin three ways every time. Oh, man. It's like you never actually hate it. Kevin you love Kevin. It's. I know you hate. I love having episode focus on a black peers, and I hope this wasn't their way of saying about to the black Chris visit unit I think Randall might be willing to work this out that is if he realized how much stress in the motion labor, he put on Beth all these years. I think Beth is tired though, she seems like she pretty much tapped out. I may just be reading too much into it. Anyways, thanks again leak. Thanks when league, and this appears to be the last comment. I'll make sure to check the emails because you nigga last minute. But this is the last one from j who says man, look as a man, I'm gonna take my time drag my man's Randall I doubled down on him before he worst. I guess for you got worse, and dammit, I will stay the course through the hell and high water Randall isn't like it has been a lot for his entire life. He is draining. And while it might have been cute when he was a child we say have these trays negatively impacted his life of Saugus. He has what we call him, my profession tunnel vision. The tendency to only focus on a single thing that when disregards things happened in the periphery. He also has a bad habit of getting mad defensive whenever he gets type or certain constructive criticism. He also likes to ability to be introspective. They are going to make it seem like he needs to look at what he's doing wrong fix yourself. So you can do it. Oh, they're going to make it. I see what saying if they're going. To make it he needs to act like to look like to look at what he's doing wrong fix yourself. So you cannot add to the problems of life. My name is Jay, and I'm Rando. We have a meaning us who happens to be married to a woman named Beth who identifies as a Beth message. My thoughts on Beth is it seems as though she has issues when it comes to internalize, her issues voice in her issues. I also it also says she has a tendency to bend towards the will of others. I was done when she came to at the grocery store. Also, I feel like that was a setup from William because William be knowing. Yeah. Oh, what if William do be knowing no way, but that would be willing wouldn't it? I know this really wanted to go to jail. You need to talk. I believe a lot of he would have even brought up the car as a set up for the communication line. Okay. That would make him. God I'm gonna say that he didn't do that. I will lead a lot of Beth eternal houses of issues comes from her mother. I say this because he definitely gave up what she loved their mom, presented her with a thousand ways back to college book the only way for them to work. This thing is look within themselves. And because they are the perfect storm undeniable being unbend -able man with tunnel vision. A man and a woman that bins to her own detriment this shit here is indeed too much. Jay. Thank you. And just checking these of okay, I don't see any more. Messages. Okay. Bossio you looking forward to next week. I don't know. And it's the seasons. The Molly, I don't know. I hope they get individual and couples counseling. I wanna see baby Jack outta hospital. Man. I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't I it happens fast. I don't know if that was old Rebecca crashing in the car or young Rebecca, I can't I don't know. I thought it was young. It was young because stay fat that wagon that they had okay, so station wagon. That's like a big misdirection. And we're going to get like thirty minutes of that story next week, and I'm gonna be pissed. Remember when I got a Fender bender and your dad came over. But I do really just want to know what the if he's going to quit fucking bang 'cause I just wanted him to quit our season. And at this point, it's cost him so much. Maybe he'll feel like he can't quit. But I think the right thing to do is quit and go back and fix your house. You know, so I don't wanna see I I know that you know, especially in this world. Now, we have so much like men versus women shit. But I don't really wanna turn out the sodas and his turn into like random versus Beth, and what side are you on and. Yeah. And then we have to like, I mean, that's cool for like insecure to start an extent like, even then I try not to do too much of that. But it's kinda like funny for insecure, but this is such a good serious show. I hate that all of our experience becomes tainted by whether we've been the man or the woman in relationship, quote, unquote. And then our knowledge is just. Like, you know. Well, he was right to come pick up the keys. Well, she was wrong to not call them. Like, I don't want that every week. So honestly, feel I honestly feel like if people did that they're doing it for themselves. Like they want to that. Because nothing in the writing like, even when you and I were going back and forth. We still agreed on the fundamental issue. But I I think that it has to. Yeah. Yeah. I just think that anybody who's doing that wants that insecure. Nathan team Derwin was the guy's name. Started L Flynn's Lauwers. Yes. Drink coke. Yeah. It doesn't this show doesn't lend itself to that. That's why I think early on when people are like, yeah. Randall boot camp. And I was like this show is not that kinda show. It just does not lend itself to that. Even the boot stuff was just it's not really like people weren't open to to her not being a jerk. Right. Yeah. So I do hope that like, I don't know that I don't care. I guess if I had to pick my druthers, they give them serious like they get serious about fixing their marriage in like have some come to Jesus moments and find a happy balance where she's hurt and needs heard and supported and all that shit. But even in the absence of that in their marriage, like dissolves, somehow, I just hope it healthy that that's the thing. They got these cays involved in this shit. Why? It's a lot. So we'll see what happens guys. All right next week's finale guys. So we'll see guys back next week. And then after that, I I don't know what me about he'll talk about.

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