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Episode 267: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

Max & Murphy on Politics

08:30 min | 3 months ago

Episode 267: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

"Do deep trust to keep watch over. The city's billions i'm jared murphy from city limits. Dot org my broadcast brother. Ben max is off tonight from gotham gazette dot com saw. Be taking you through the full hour ba talking to two of the candidates running to be the men or the people who watch over the city's billions of dollars in spending an assets and debt people running for the job of city comptroller as i mentioned at the outset. We're talking about Who we're going to trust to keep watch over. The city's billions of dollars. The city's number three job is that of city comptroller and sure it sounds boring. Nobody grows dreaming to be controller. But i've often thought that it's about the best job in the city because of the kind of vast powers has that particular kinds of authorities and interest the comptroller can exercise so the comptroller is like the city's official accounted he or she can audit all the agencies in the city of remember the agencies in the city. Spend some eighty eight billion dollars a year. So that's a lot to audit. Those audits can raise. Financial questions can also raise policy questions about you. Know the efficiency and effectiveness of the steps that the city is taking. It's an important very important check on the mayor's power in that way the comptroller also registers contract so as you know a lot of the city's work is not done by but by contractors whether it's human services or building a road or doing consulting work to figure out how the board of elections run better. Or what have you and those contracts total seventeen billion dollars a year seventeen thousand contracts. The controller can register those or not register. Those can block contracts to a degree. That's a tremendous amount of power also overseeing. The city's pension funds the five funds for police and firefighters and teachers and everybody else together compose one of the largest investment funds in the world has a lot of power as an investor deduce shareholder activism Divests from something like firearms or tobacco or fossil fuel related industries. It's a big deal. That's twenty five billion dollars under control in the comptroller's day to day. Overseer of those has a lot to do with the priorities that those pension funds pursue economic forecasting managing the debt if more than seven hundred employees and he operated big policy shop to recent lists of weighed in a different policy issues suggested plans for housing for childcare for dealing with homelessness. You name it of the council is in a position to make those suggestions and frankly not actually execute them. Because they're not. The mayor said they get to kind of sit back. And critique and suggest improvements and use the power of the city's pursestrings to achieve his or her own policy ends And that's a reason why the job is coveted by many people who are seeking a step up from the city council or borough presidency or other offices and it's also why many people who seek that office end up becoming mayor or running for mayor a beam was a comptroller Jay golden who ran for mayor. Alan have the see bill thompson and of course the current comptroller scott stringer's running for mayor the only one in that mix who did not was halston and she ran for the. Us set it. So that's pretty important office too so it say A big big job and an important one and one of the jobs that is on the docket for twenty twenty. One scott stringer as i mentioned running for mayor that's because he is term limited and so there are four people in the race as of now democratic primary in june which as you know in many races in new york city is tacit election. We don't know if there will be republican race if they did run. It's unlikely they would have much of a chance of winning. But the people will be hearing from today. Our senator kevin parker of brooklyn and city council member. Brad lander also of brooklyn They are joined in the race. By state senator bryan benjamin and has been david weapon. Those two candidates have been booked for our show on january twenty seven so two weeks from today and we'll be hearing from them then and obviously next week on the twentieth. Focusing more on inauguration stops which hopefully it will be peaceful and smooth. But we'll be ready for whatever comes our way. So we're hearing from senator kevin parker He is a democrat. He's represented the twenty first district in brooklyn since two thousand three so a veteran of albany veteran of the years too many years in the wilderness when democrats were in the minority than briefly in the majority Particularly well Back the minority now. Of course our very strong and fairly progressive supermajority in the state senate but kevin parker's looking to leave office and become the city's number three official. He is the chairman of the committee on energy and telecommunications and we'll be hearing a few moments switching to get him on the phone. Kevin parker senator from brooklyn is on the line. So welcome to maximum murphy. Hey mackey murphy you just murphy today but thanks for how are you. I'm good glad to hear that Let's dig into a den because we don't have too much time with you and it's a big job and he's got a lengthy career lot to dig into You are a state senator. You have been for many years. What do you feel about this job of comptroller. Do you feel it requires a set of qualifications. Different from other offices foam from being a mayor. Desert require some level of financial savvy. And that's something you bring to the table. Yeah you know a number of years. I've actually been in the state. Senate eighteen years. And i'm the majority whip involved the seminar energy and communications committee and i absolutely think that being city controller does bring a responsibility around a specific set of understanding about finances and and and you know understanding of finances the municipal finance her particular. Anybody who knows finance necessary understand municipal finance You know before. I got elected to the state senate work for paying whatever Doing both government affairs and ms will finance worked worked in the state office. Macomer call As that'd be direct their government affairs. And since i've been in state senate. I've been eighteen years in the finance committee Over ten years on the banking committee the insurance committee and so the issues around revenue. Projections around auditing Around managing the pension fund. Things that in my wheelhouse talk about your time in albany as you mentioned almost two decades much of that time in the minority when obviously it was difficult i'm sure to get legislation passed but when you look at your time there. What do you see as your top accomplishments. Well what do we begin right. i think i think some of it has been you know my top accomplishment the political accomplishments. I'm i'm part of literally. Four people whipped. I've been on the minority. The majority and i think that political understanding Of what it takes to us tweet place where people thinking leading into. When i got elected you know eighteen years ago of senator. You're fading in and out a bit. i don't know if you're if you're traveling or donna. Our end center we may have lost the senator

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Tame Impala's Kevin Parker Discusses The 'Unlistenable' Music He Made As A Teen

World Cafe

32:45 min | 3 weeks ago

Tame Impala's Kevin Parker Discusses The 'Unlistenable' Music He Made As A Teen

"This is the world cafe. I'm reiniger as tame impala latest album. The slow rush was released in february. Twenty twenty you might remember february twenty twenty as being the west relatively normal months before the covid pandemic hit north america and lockdowns began and team. Paula a frequent music festival. Headlining band was scheduled to play a ton of shows. Then everything changed today. I speak with. Kevin parker of tame impala at his home in australia of the very different year. He's had about the slow rush about his whole musical history from when he was making quote unquote unlistenable songs as a teenager to the just released tenth anniversary edition of tame impala debut album in her speaker. Our chats coming up but let's kick things off with the song you would have probably heard tame impala play live if they could have this past year from the slow rush. Here's a bit of a loss in yesterday. Apartment pals from impala latest album. The slow rush. That was lost in yesterday. Today i'm joined by tame pal masterminded kevin parker. Welcome to the world cafe kevin. Thanks thanks for having me great to have you your latest album. The slow rush has been out for just over a year now and time seems to be a theme on this album. You know not just the album title itself but the tracks like it might be time. Tomorrow's does loss in yesterday. When we're our we're year you were obviously thinking about how time moves in how it affects us before the pandemic now our perception of time in lockdowns and enduring all this is something that everyone talking about. How is your experience of time changed or has it Well don't know it's a good question It's put everyone on the same plane of experiencing it in this weird way. I don't know. I guess i'm kind of the kind of person that kind of spent my life like over thinking things like our experience of tom. I guess that's kind of like why. I felt like as good make an album about it. 'cause i like the album. It's not really like about time as such. It's more about just how we experience it as a society or a civilization or whatever we've never actually had to think about like way we're going to be in a year or two years and now people are telling us like you might not be able to do what you wanna do for another two years and everyone's like kind of it kind of shakes. Yeah and like how. Everything changed so drastically that before. This feels like a different lifetime almost entirely totally like. I don't want to jump the gun but the other day was the year anniversary of the album came out and it really felt like it was released in like a different world. It was i mean. Normally there's kind of a structure to an album roll to and this time you're not touring the record the way you normally would the. How did you deal with that change. Unlike to say that it was really hard. I mean it was. It was always didn't get to do all the things and we'd lost an eye. How much money like with two is we were supposed to do. And they got cancelled and all that kind of stuff But on and just on the kind of person that gets a we'd kick out of the goalposts getting changed getting shifted. It's definitely like extremely privilege of mehta. Decide like oh yeah. It's a bit of fun because obviously like it's been devastating but just on a purely kind of music commercial level. It's been interesting. Yeah absolutely what is i mean. Aside from the the money or the rush of playing on stage. What's the weirdest thing you've found yourself missing about being on tour airplanes. The jet lag airplanes. Just that we'd annoying tyson the becky mouth when it's like four. Am in an airport. And you just huddling you just like clutching your boarding pass and you dislike. I just need to get the plan. And then i can sleep. I'm speaking with kevin barker of politics at world cafe. You write and record the music for attainment paula alone in the studio so a year of isolation. Is that something that you know kind of does work for you. I think i'm definitely well equipped for its kind of thing. I can do standing on my head. Yeah i mean. I i like i'm married so i have. I have my wife with me old times so lightly like it suddenly like i feel like like a few months into the pandemic suddenly went all. I've got it easy. Because i have someone to spend with. I mean certainly musically well-equipped. We're gonna dive into the way that you work in the studio a little later on but first a little while ago you said to zane lowe an interview that you didn't really think about playing the songs from the slow rush in the format of a band and you're making it for yourself. But now as their live shows or maybe going to start coming back there might be a light at the end of the tunnel here. I was wondering if you could choose a song from the slow rush to to you next that you are particularly excited about playing in front of a live audience when you get the chance i mean all of them but if we're talking about a live band let's go with one more hour. It's easily the most stadium rock. So yeah all right all right. Well let's listen to it. It's one more hour from tame. Impala you just heard one more hour from tame. Impala is the slow rush. I'm marina doris. My guest today in the world. Cafes team impalas. Kevin parker the slow rush is his fourth full length studio album. It's been about a decade since he released his debut full length album inner speaker. let's go even further back. Kevin you grew up with lots of music in your house. Your dad played guitar. Your brother played the drums. And could you talk about how they influenced you to start playing music. I don't know that i would have done it without that kind of presence. Obviously my memories of music of my dad kind of just playing guitar so down and what kind of music was he would he would he. Would you be hearing around the house. Like what kind of music did you play Play acoustic guitar all the time like pretty much every day. He would just play whatever sixty song he felt like covering in the living room But he was obsessed with the shadows. I don't know if you know. The shadow is like a sixties rock. Let's play like just a. I'm just gonna play a clip of shadow song right now. Wholesome all right. That was the shadows. Adopting to kevin. Parker tame impala okay. So you heard your dad playing by the shadows when you were growing up around the house and that you know why. Why was he so in love with that band. Well i feel like i get it. It's my first memory of feeling the emotion in music he was. He loved the guitar. Like 'cause it's like shadows like these soaring laid pods almost like someone singing on this. So emotive i just remember just almost crying from an your because he he was really good at it so i just i remember thinking just remember being really emotional and it's kind of the first time i remember thinking that and this diet you know like it's kind of the most emotional music that i know you know maybe because we're related. We had the same musical tastes or like the same things that trigger us over the dam. Effect us you know. Because i would say listening to tame impala you do make very evocative music. Is that something that you set out to do is is is triggering emotional response something that you think about when you sit down to make music tardily not think about. It's something i kind of. Like if i'm not if that's not happening that i'm not really interested in if i'm not triggering something emotional while i'm making it then. Probably wouldn't bother. It's kind of. It's like the way that. I know that i'm doing something good. You started recording your own music. When you're around i guess twelve. What did that early music that. You're making sound like. Could you describe it to us Pretty unlistenable. Because i didn't really know what i was doing. It just sounded like we'd kitchen sink of it was it was completely genre less. Put it that way. I mean you're part of this musical family. Your brother was playing music. Your data's play music play music but was there encouragement to follow like a dream and go play music professionally. No i've absolutely not definitely not. Well my dad had a lot of musician friends and for someone like my dad was sort of like i'm gonna say academic driven and let because like he loved music and music was just everything to him but he was also really like pragmatic and grew up in a world where it was important to make money. And if you didn't then like what are you doing so he. He was really sort of like success and academia driven and he had a lot of musician friends. That were struggling. You know because it's like music isn't necessarily going to be something that you make a lot of money with. And so i like he could see how much i was falling deeper into just being obsessed with music and so i think he was worried he was kind of like. Just try to sit there like guide me back out. Do you have a backup. Plan that kind of thing. Yeah exactly exactly. I'm speaking with. Kevin parker on world cafe today. I wanna play a song next from your two thousand eight self titled ep song called half full glass of wine that i love that song. That was the first song i ever heard. My sister played it for me long ago. And i i think it was that ep really the first thing you release his tame impala of tracks on my space by no you recorded parts of the at home and then part madame pub in fremantle. Where you lived called the norfolk basement. ended up doing that. Well it was That manager worked at so we were allowed to practice their. And i like one microphone and you go drums with one microphone so i just went. I just a drive there with the drum kit in my car. And what's funny. Is it. Because i i record the rest of the music in my bedroom in the house we lived in so instead of like build up songs without any drums on them and then have one day where i just go and recode drums. All the songs soviet. I've got i've got four hours. Let's just bash the drums. That's why you know the song half a glass of wine. That's why there's no real ending right. It just finishes with me absolutely just just just completely around the drums celebration of getting to the end of the song like that's another song like an end the end of the song. It was kind of just like an absolute stupid and of the song celebration. Because i assumed faded out before then. Well let's that's something to listen for then as you listen to. This song is apple wine. It statement bala search search s success from tame impala two thousand and eight self titled ep huge jam. Half full glass of wine joined by kevin parker of tame impala today i always find myself kevin stumbling when i talk about team and paula on air. Going between calling it. They and he because solo project basically talk about it like a band. You have a live band when he tore. Is it true that when you first signed your first record deal. You told them that team. Paula was a band when it actually was your solar project. yep hundred percent why. I was shaw. I assumed they wouldn't be interested in like someone that records music by themselves. That kind of makes it sound like a band. I figured it would have been a bit confusing for them. And i would have been turned off. You know because like i liked the idea of getting by record label because i didn't have the of drive i would. I was never going to be one of those artists like fully independent. You know like shopping museum. I never sent my demos to a single record label Because i was shy. I just assumed it was mommy's it was just going to be for me and my friends unless a record label founder. Which is what happened. But yeah i just i don't know i kind of in my head. I kind of just wanted to paint this picture of me. Topi in sock rock band. I just wanna i just figured they'd be more interested if it was like a bunch of guys long her happened. All my friends did have long hair. So that was handy. Was that something like did you want that like. Did you want to be in that kind of a band or was that just the image. You wanted them to see. I wanted to being that. Yeah so that's why. I'm in the end like i'm not frustrated me for a while that people thought were abandoned. We want but the end of the diet. Like i love being in a band. Love being a group of paypal and playing music together with a bunch of people and communicating on a musical level. Like that's something that i love and it's it's a raisin while never be like a solo touring. Act so yeah. I totally wanted that but musically. I didn't know how to do it. Because i spent so many years recording music by myself. You know i didn't know how to if i wrote a song and the baseline goes dum. Dum dum dum. Dum dum dum. I didn't know how to live with the song beginning anything other than that. I had no concept of being able to compromise musically. Yeah how did you learn to do that. Like what did it look like when you did. Bring your songs to abandon that. Transfer kind of share those responsibilities Will there was a good few years of friction because like i kind of wanted it to be a collaborative thing but i had all these songs and i had specific ideas of how the song would come together and so there was friction for a few years. It almost kind of broke the band up. And then we kind of just sort of like we'll just snapped out of it and went la okay. Let's just call it what it is. Which is kevin's solo project. You know and and the band is like us. We're friends and we're gonna just bring the songs to laugh on a stage and not sort of like bringing goes into it and since then we've never had a single band argument. My best friends on wouldn't wanna do it differently this cafe. I'm talking to kevin parker of tame impala today so right now you're releasing the ten year anniversary box set of your debut full length album. Inner speaker came out in two twenty ten. It was really a kind of a turning point for people paying attention to your music. You're getting all this praise. How did all of that attention impreza new huge audience affect your actual music making it in your songwriting. A little bit overwhelming i am. I didn't like I'm the kind of person that's good at finding a away not to take a compliment. You know like myself doubt is so well tuned so finely tuned inside made that that even even getting a bunch of like critical acclaim on musica. Just might a found a way to not be satisfied with it. My brain found a way but at the same time it was kind of like it was kind of like a boost of confidence for me for the first time in my life. I guess. I kind of felt like i'd found my identity. I know that you're someone who will listen back to your albums you know when you're making them over and over and over again and tweaking them when you listen back to inner speaker a decade later what stands out to you like. What do you hear that. Maybe you weren't conscious of then. It's funny because it sounds like a different person making it. It sounds like this is to seventy cheesy. But it sounds like a kid searching for something like i was desperate to prove to myself that i could do it and knowing knowing that people are going to hear it. It was pretty overwhelming. This event is a patient of everyone hearing it especially. Because we're the pay like talking about you know just record the drums in the by in a few hours just sort of messing on drums basically. That was kind of like a veil of like. Oh it wasn't really trying like it was kind of like an excuse up if the song sound of it shabby and structures originally it. You know it's not really that radio friendly or it's not accessible or accessible but it's not well refined whatever that was because i wasn't trying and now it's like okay. You have to make an album now. You're officially trying you know. Yeah yeah so. There was no hiding anymore. Basically is what i'm saying. So yeah i mean by the end of finishing the album. I was complete head case not seriously bad way. Just just the sort just lost perspective on what i'm doing and Yeah i i. So i can see that in the music. Well we're gonna play. Solitude is bliss from inner speaker next. Where was your head when you were doing this on. Which we listen for here or his examples. Solitude is bliss. I thought i thought everyone was going to say i was a complete sellout facing a sound like that i was like. Oh my god. I'm doing a pop song. You know to me that sounded to me. It sounded like like you. Really got me by the kinks. Saw something absolute short sharp pop even though the songs like four minutes. Something like you know. I had sort of like. I don't know what they call it Indie rock guilt or something back. Then where it's like if you try to do something pop than you're a setup. I had a bit of that kind of toxic mentality my brain but yet anyway good papa. So hard to make exactly now. Now it's kind of like the holy grail to me. Good policies like the ultimate. Let's listen to this. Solitude is bliss. it's tame impala pro cafe. sh you're listening to world cafe. I'm rena doris today. I am talking to kevin barker of tame impala that was solitude is bliss from his debut full length album inner speaker which just started a decade old and speaking of solitude in normal times when travelling is an option. You would take trips so that you could write alone when you're planning those trips other than obviously you know being alone. What are you looking for as far as your surroundings. What kinds of places do you find. Inspiring kevin I just like to feel like. I'm in the middle of nowhere and just no one. Can he I like to feel isolated. There's like in the life of a song. There's a point where Everyone he's the song and belongs to everyone that has heard the song but up until that point. The song just belongs to me. And it's and it's formless has no beginning middle and end it's completely abstract it's just it's melodies and chords and their and only i've heard it so it could be the best song in the world because i think it is in that moment doesn't matter is that it might not be because it could be you know yeah and then and then and then one exactly. The potential is infinite. And they'll come a day when applied the song to someone and they'll they'll say oh. Yeah it's pretty good and then and then the song will come come down. Ause go crashing down. But that's only if they say they hate it then the sun will come down to land you know and then it will then the will live on earth for the rest of its size But up until that point it some magical time for me and and music. The slow rush came out in february twenty twenty. I do understand that just a few months before it was released. Remastered the entire thing after hearing the album listening party. Why why did you go back and remastered the whole thing I think i went back and remixed it on. No it had been mazda quote rot islas truck with all the stuff like i don't expect to ever with an album. Don't expect to mix it once and then mostert wants and it's done deny that requires way too much mental clarity. Do you ever get to a point where things feel finished or is there a point. Where like okay kevin. That's enough you have to let it go or or could you do the armored. I'm getting better at kind of just being zen with it. There's no such thing as perfect in that. Like i ve albums bummed me out immensely that i didn't feel like it was perfect. Bound me out of men's lay only kind of like just miami height the whole experience so in the album with currents i just told myself like just. Don't be like this next time you know. Just try to enjoy it and at the end of it. You wanna think it's perfect but that's okay that's how it's basically got away. I wanna talk about a song that you kind of kept working on almost publicly away the on borderline you released it as a single back in april twenty nineteen and it sounded like this when you released at that. Time so vexed the original single version of the song borderline the version you hear on the album. The slow rush is different and one thing that really stands out is the baseline melody is on the album. It's much bigger. It's got like this. Wow wound kind of sound. Why was that something that you really needed to change to be honest. I didn't think that anyone would notice the difference. I'm kind of impressed. People that have knows different sosa. That i like one version over the other because of gradually felt more more like things like that. Things like mixing things are drums downs or by sounds all things like that just things that measles pick up on all the music notes pickup new music. It's like myself for example. So i've kind of console myself that those kind of things those kind of things you i'm. I'm afraid to change because the song is still the same you know. It's there's something about that song borderline the baseline in there. That is really fun confident. Sound like it's got swagger like you could imagine like a cool guy and a movie walking down the street to like in the beginning of saturday night fever. Something this point a bit over a decade into your career. We talked about what you hear when you listen back to save inner speaker now but who are you now as an artist compared to that person who made inner speaker We hope. I'm the same person if nothing else. Just when it comes to making music. And i guess that's kind of like what i always try and get back to. I just wanna be that kid in his bedroom with a pair head funds an eight track and nothing else and thinking about how you know when you said you were making speaker and there was all that pressure now. you know. you're you're pretty far along. You've got four albums you've done very well like do you still feel like. Do you still feel that pressure or are you in more self possessed place of course feel the pressure and i. I've always known that the pressure is good. You know i'd like the die. You don't feel any pressure is the day you don't try hard. Like i always want to be finding new things or just sort of like gaining a new skill. we're gonna finish this off by playing borderline from the slow rush so here it is. It's borderline tame impala still you borderline from his latest album. The slow rush. Today i've been talking to kevin parker of tame impala given thank you so much. This was awesome awesome. Thanks for having me. 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Episode 269: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

Max & Murphy on Politics

24:28 min | 3 months ago

Episode 269: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

"Max murphy we are Bringing this podcast to you because of some technical difficulties that our radio show last week. We want very much to hear from as many candidates as we can of these exciting twenty twenty one raises including the very important race for new york city comptroller and so very pleased to be joined by one of the democratic candidates for that post is democratic state. Senator kevin parker of brooklyn. He's represented the twenty first district bear since two thousand three. He is the majority whip and the chairman of the committee on energy and telecommunication senator parker welcome to maximum fee. Meal murphy. in fact. I think after this you should be walking around introducing me everywhere love it. I said a little moonlighting always happy for some extra income so we can take that off line but so let's talk about the job of comptroller that you're running for obviously this. This job has some different features from other jobs. there's a heavy financial kind of component to it How do you see it as unique y you want it and why do you think you're the best man for s personal for it. Yeah well you know. This is a unique time that we're in the middle of a pandemic where we're both you know people are putting their lives and livelihoods and i think this is an opportunity to take you know my eighteen years of service in the senate leadership but most importantly the vision that i have for this city on to another level i think no time more than now do need somebody with mike allen experience born and raised in brooklyn You know lived in niger. In bushwick houses With the public school my whole life and so. I have a lot of the experiences. That regular new yorkers have but on top of that. I've spent a lot of time working in public service in working in finance. Including for the first governor cuomo in his economic development agency worked on wall street for painewebber worked at the state controls office on the eight karma call and for the eighteen years that i've been in the state senate. I have been on the finance committee over a decade on the banking committee over a decade on the insurance committee. And so that work. I think has uniquely prepared me for the challenges that new york face And i really kind of know want to be at the forefront of helping new york sorta up but more importantly hope was growing ecobill ecobill equitable fashion so eighteen years albany. What stands out to you as top accomplishments. The things you are proud of. I would say Flipping the senate twice. I've been part of of you know a few of us. Who have you know who turn this from republican body to a democratic party And at the end of the day you know that has made all the difference in the ability for us to do things like rank control Codify a woman's right to choose is made a lot of difference in terms of the work we've done on democracy reform in the state On the work. We've helped around gay lesbian it. You know Folks as well as police reform and dealing with the those issues so I think that that that good good politics lead to good policy in the state of new york because of my work in the work of my colleagues. I'm curious Except you might wonder having having suffered through years in the wilderness. They're in the minority of is they. Will you came to office. Under even republican governor republicans in control the state senate as they had been for like forty or fifty years brief shot of the majority obviously the coup scuttled that and then finally winning the majority for in a solid fashion two thousand eighteen and now it has become a supermajority. It seems to me now. It'd be a time for you to get a lot of your legislative wishlist done. Get a tremendous amount done in albany I wanna leave. Why why why do you. Why are you looking for another job. It seems to be like the the salad days are here. I've never stopped being with the pass legislation. And in fact i the democratic senate on even when we're in the minority in passing legislation lashing twenty twenty during the pandemic a pass more legislation than anybody else in the state legislature in both houses. Right past forty bills out of the senate twenty one went to the governor's twenty became law. And so i've had a great deal of expertise doing that And i've and i spent the past more this year but i really just. This is now a kind of unique and important time. We have a lot of great new young people Joining the state legislature and. I think we're in good hands air. But i certainly am concerned about the fiscal health of our great city which is both the primarily economic engine that justice new york or this region but the entire country and again newton qualified for this position. And so that's why Being the become the new cynic controller so assess. What you see the stays fiscal condition now. Obviously in the present. We're in the middle of f evan. Emergency but talk a little bit about the past and the future in terms of the past you know. Did the city do enough to prepare four edo fiscal shocks like this debris to be sock enough money away. Do we spend too much money during the de blasio years in looking ahead you. Do you feel like the finances of the city. Have permanently changed by this crisis with people. Maybe not coming back to the office. People maybe not coming back to the city you know. What do you see. the risks. Long term to the city in terms of its debt is obligations. Was the picture. Look like to you the questions. Well i i think that there was no way to prepare for this kind of damage. This is like once in a century on take banana right. And so i thought the city had been as prepared as could've been for any panel major events and we look at the finest city it's not spectacular but it certainly Not you know so earth-shattering that we can't without we're in a position where i think we can figure it out. I think that the way that people are thinking about how we get out of it though is important. You're working with people talking about you. Know stimulus from the federal government. Which we're going to need new people talking about taxes on the state government and gambling and you know cannabis proceeds which i think all will probably be affecting be important for our state and our city But we're not gonna tax out of this situation. We're really going to need to grow out of it and it's really by creating full-time jobs at a living wage with benefits in economy that has moved from wall street the mainstream and so it's small business development And i'm excited. Even you know today. We're going to be actually passing a package of bills on the floor of the state senate around small businesses. And i'm so excited you know to have been part of that conversation because that's literally what we're going to need to do in order to Rebuild and grow it to these being And hopefully we can do it in ecobill echo. Echo will weigh And now i think as i look forward to we're I think we will be. I think we do it right. And we invest in our communities. We invest on main street so we put small businesses back into effect. We can create a dynamic with city is even better economic straights than it was prior to the pandemic by allowing all both rise together. Part of what you know. This pandemic has revealed is a terrible inequity. In our society progressively thinking york state. New york city is what we've found. Is that when the pandemic hit that it hit lies and livelihoods in a way that create the shoulder disparity that already existed. Ryan is african americans and latinos. You know dying and being in getting sick at a rate much higher than whites and then you saw that same dynamic in the context of the closing of small businesses and businesses. That may not return. Now i do expect that over time. The city will be as bustling as as a once was and but even the people have left is not crippling to the city. I mean the reality. The vast majority of the people in the city live in brooklyn queens in the bronx. Or your ghana's places there's no fact this still and those people need jobs in an ready to go back to work people don't wanna hand out they want wanna hand up and that's what we should be doing in government as putting them in position to take advantage of market forces and we should be creating dynamics in which market forces are strong enough to carry our economy up we've done in the past and so Some of that will be done through. Bb through some public works projects. But there's some basic things we can do to make the market stable And some of what i like to do. In the city controller's office is do a lot more work around bolstering of small businesses around two things one access to the capital and the second thing is technical assistance. We have people know how to run restaurants. You know to cook food. Don't know how to run. Restaurants people could build a table can't sell furniture and those people need access to capital. And we and i think there's a role opportunity to do that in a couple of ways. One of which is build out is used my office to help build out an infrastructure around access to small business resources as well as the capital but then also in the context of the pension fund to make sure that we're investing in companies that are investing in new york right and so although making profits for the for the pensioneers is job one. I don't see that as being mutually exclusive from finding great opportunities to make capital investments in the city. And so we really have to do you walk and chew gum at the same time and a one priority. At least your campaign website is improving the compliance at the city level with some of the goals around a minority women businesses And wbz's what would your approach to those being. How the comptroller help. I think is kind of approaches. The first has a again sticking on on the theme around the pension fund is that you know is a city that is over sixty percent black latino asian and women in less than two percent of the people who actually investable who are who have money under management in the pension fund. Come from those groups. We have the change that we have to make the pinch for more equitable in terms of the people who have access to managing that money to in fact create a financial infusion into our city and into our communities right. i think the second thing is obviously. I don't want people that fall into the. You know what i call the dunkin donuts maneuver right. People always looking at the whole in that donut. The reality is that we have a ninety billion dollar budget. In the city of new york is the fourth largest budget and the entire country after the federal go after the federal government the state of california state of new york and in fact the city of new york has a budget larger than forty eight states including texas and florida which have populations that are larger than the state of new york and so an incredible amount of money we also the largest city in the world. I'm sorry in the country even after you know we account for all the people who have gone to other places we're still the largest city in the country and that's really our our greatest investment out. Greatest asset is is out people. And so there's really a an opportunity to take that ninety billion dollar budget and use it in a way so next year even with you know whatever we call the deficit you know. Three billion five billion six billion. We're still going to spend around ninety billion dollars over twenty billion dollars of still going to be Contract it out and so we need to make sure that blacks latinos asians of women who against over sixty percent of the population of the city. Get their fair share at that over. Twenty billion dollars worth of investment that. We're making and to make sure that we're doing it in a way that's again equitable and that people have an opportunity You know at at again lifting their own lot by providing for this city Making a living for themselves because what are things we find out. Is that when african americans have their own businesses and they grow the actually hire other african americans latinos latinos the asians women hire women right and so and and so. The reality is that we're going to have to deal with the issue of labor market discrimination because the reality even though we we live in the shadow of wall street wall street is not in the fire industry right. Finance real estate are not going to resolve all of my issues although simultaneously ought to be preparing people for those jobs as well right and so I think it's gonna be all above approach. And i think that But we have to begin and we have to begin with small businesses and always have our focus on equitable Equity as we as we go forward and repair our economy and grow lcd back. You talked a lot about ways to use the power of investment of the office in the pension funds to do good. Obviously one of the decisions have been brought to recent comptrollers went to do. The opposite went to divest from particular companies or industries whether it's firearms you're private prisons or on the largest fossil fuels you never know what's gonna come down the pipe. If you're elected advocates may come to you in two or three years and say look we think. The city should get out of industry acts. How will you evaluate requests like that understanding yours at of moral role in the city and also your duty to the pension funds into the pension recipients in terms of guarding their fiduciary. Best interests. Right when it comes to the with the pension fund. If it doesn't make dollars it doesn't make sense right. The first job is to in fact make money for the pensioners and to make sure that we don't have to go into the pockets taxpayers to pay the pension funds right. So that's the first job. But i don't again don't think that that is mutually exclusive from the idea of having a pension fund that reflects the values and the feelings of the people the city of new york and the pensioners themselves who wants to see a better world as the chair of the energy and telecommunications committee for instance. I've spent a lot of time Dealing with the issue of how to build a clean energy economy and i think that this actually falls in line with how we rebuild the city. Right you you know. Green collar jobs are going to be absolutely critical in terms of how we again create full-time jobs. I live wage benefits and we can do that. And simultaneously manage a pension fund properly. That obviously needs to be done within the context of a trust. The board of trustees Because the city controller is not a sole trustee. He's is you know that person is just a member of the board. Not what chairs the board. But you know as a member of the board and has to manage those pedals five pension funds collaboratively. And i'm committed to that process of a working with the other trustees to in you'll do that important work But i think we have to follow this the numbers and follow the science Not as black and white saying okay. S so you take a company like national grid which provides you know Gas to the city right And a lot of people will consider gas because it creates carbon as something which would eliminate i agree. I also think is is a bridge fuel between today and the time that we get to a place where we are you know. Carbon neutral right and so And so you know you have to kind of understand that balanced the other thing is that national grid is also the largest single sustainable energy provider in the entire state of new york. So are you going to get rid of this. Large utility scale sustainable energy and build a baby out with the bathwater. Those kinds of things. We have to balance way and understand. How do we work with companies. I think also a role as an investor also gives us a lot of say in companies so it may not be necessarily a matter of just divesting but is sometimes a matter of helping those companies move with the times and move to a model that continues to make money for those these end for the pension fund but then simultaneously operate in a way that new yorkers is consistent with their values. Now there are gonna be sometimes in which you think that you know. We're we're going to need to do. We are need to divest. In fact i put in a bill last week A state senate. That says that we should be divesting ourselves from any you know any business or that that that donald trump has evolved Bins donald trump. Choir has businesses. Anybody who who Encourages edition addition. Our country certainly should not be making a profit off of that and certainly shouldn't be using State and city pension funds To to enrich themselves. And so as. I think they're going to be some times in which we wouldn't again Forgot how to do that. And again i don't think it's as crass as saying today were invested and then tomorrow we're not but does is processes that we're going to need to go through in order to divest ourselves From the things that we think are inconsistent. With what new yorkers wanna see in their investments your platform talks about a desire to fund evidence based programs that prevent new yorkers from turning to crime rather than spending the money on traditional policing is obviously a topic. A lot of folks have talked a lot about the past year. how does the comptroller encourage that. Is that about suggesting. Is that something to wreck. You could do well first of all. I've been one of the leaders in this whole on issue. Police reform in fact The state of new york with the first eight in the country to pass a comprehensive set of police reform legislation after the murder of george floyd. We pass a ten bill package of those ten bills. Four bills remind including a bill that You know created a penalty for falls nine one one reporting rain and bill that great a body camera program for state police right assisted. I've written shift in fifteen other bills including bills that restrict qualified immunity that define excessive use of force in the law. Emigres a non police response to homeless and mental health calls. And i you know. I expected continued to be Continue to be active on the legislative. Front is having a very as city controller to be somebody who has a very strong Government affairs office and both albany and city hall to make involved in less than a process. Currently the city controls. The only office of the mayor public advocate Who who cannot introduce legislation. I would love to work with the city council. And maybe you know. Change the make a charter. Change order to make that happen so that that that can be somewhat of a of a legislative function by the city. Controller's office. I think that would be a really important so i think there's lots of things that we could be doing in collaborating on. But in the meantime the way i've always done was the collaborate with my colleague from the state level in the city level the pass legislation. That's gonna be important What else will do immediately. Also is is What the police department. I think that it's worth doing not. Because i wanted to fund them but because i believe want to understand how they operate out what are the best ways that we can get a bang for buck. you know what we need it up and why. Pd is more transparency. more accountability. and i want them to serve and protect. But i want them to do though with dignity and respect and so You know i think the audit function Will help us get to that conversation in a in a real way. And where some of these initiatives that myself and others wolf in albany and the city had put forward can actually get implemented and we can have really the finest police force not just the latest in the country but the finest police in country as well so over the course of your long career. Public service have been a lot of hellas kevin parker but some of them have been about incidents in the distant past and not-so-distant where You seem to be very you got very angry and exchanges with fellow. Legislators others in the capital is is. Do you have an anger problem. Is that an issue that people have some concern about. I don't think so And let me let me be clear. You go through section by section ritual. Will you will find. Is you know there. Were you know things that needed to be done. When in fact you know you only have thirty. Two members of the senate majority whip. And i've been in the majority whip on the three leaders over ten years right You know there's probably a no one been both the majority whip and minority whip long. I have been in the legislature in the kind of work. I have And so if you wanna you know look at my disagreement with my good friend diane savino when she was a member of the idc and you know addressing that or the issues with reverend diaz and him and we know. What kind of recognize with people. Like carl kruger. And you know who eventually wise up. Jails again when you when you look at drill down and you know you know this specific instances they're very very very different than what people categorize them Enforce so But let me. Just say this. You know i've been office twenty years. I'm not the same person. I was twenty years ago and i've learned a lot about how to deal with my my my My colleagues and how to address issues in a very different way. But i'm very clear. You're not going to change the world with whisper and so i come to. The job is city controller with the same passion that i've come to the state senate with that passion and all that time and whatever issues people wanna talk about not once. Did anybody ever question my commitment to my job to the democratic conference of the state senate I am the person who be. Lean on when when You know things need to be resolved you know typically you know with the republicans but simultaneously. I'm the person who who who passed more bills in the minority in any of the democratic member right so even oh i might have been the democratic enforcer also somebody who understood the relationship side of of dealing with people or you know on the other side of the aisle And i could see that again. Have that same kind of perspective in terms of you know working with colleagues and understanding How to bridge the gap but also how to be firm in the moments in which You know firmness is required. so final. Question abe beame. Jay golden alan. Hevesi bill thomson john. Lewis scott stringer have two things in common. They were all sitting comptrollers and they all either ran for or are running for mayor. So i have to ask. Obviously it is commonly a stepping stone to that Do you think you'll run for mayor at some point. Let me is win this election. I mean you know who knows what what god has planned. It is my intention in this moment to become city control of the city of new york and to serve the people as well as i can into effect build the city in the city state. Park democrat i of the counter joining. Thank you

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Changing The Game? The NCAA Opens The Door For Athletes To Profit

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35:16 min | 1 year ago

Changing The Game? The NCAA Opens The Door For Athletes To Profit

"This message comes from NPR sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed indeed dot com slash NPR podcast college education worth that's debatable these days with our changing world making works arenas colleges sneaker companies and in the salaries of America's most renowned support is growing for compensating these student athletes directly letting them benefit financially is moving forward with studying options nothing is expected to change in the immediate future. how better for the Ringer Tyler welcome back to one A. Thank you get to see you talk to you man vacates for college athletes nationwide luke welcome thank you for having me and joining us from Oakland the First Professional College Basketball League Andy Glad to have you back on the program thanks very much for having announced on Tuesday in a nutshell so more or less the NC double A. Sort of Wailing Bhai the NC Double A. and they're working route where basically said that they agree with what's going on what was reported name image and likeness what is that why does that matter? The basic premise is that under state of New York Kevin Parker in the Senate and other than that athletes will be able to be compensated things that they can control trophies show up in a video game that EA puts out for the playstation they would California's Governor Gavin Newsom last month it says that college athletes cannot CAA to kind of make a louder decision to be more affirmative from California to Pennsylvania across several states and the AA now has to act I think if it comes to the college athlete right and so the issue with the the social because the reality of these bills that they don't actually force the status quo to change in any way and Luke Bonner let's back up a little bit give us a sense of what the actual mission the pay for play argument when in reality I think it's even really there it's made up of athletic directors and university presidents in their their best impact the player's lives in their families lives the most that the players get subjected to they have where does that money come from and where does it go of the most valuable assets that a broadcast network to time shifting using your DVR watching it later because the live action is so important there's there's a endorsements there's there are a for colleges donations his part in a few cases where there has been a state law something like it it all just gets spent again people confuse people think that that means that the athletic department doesn't how much money are we talking about we got some questions and comments from listeners about just what's star players of the only ones making money for the university there really isn't much money for anyone in D. three water polo but there might be a d. three water polo player who would in class from him because of his athletic fame so like literally the way the reason that you would so that's important thing to remember but I think it's important oh but the the question of of whether I'm worth a little oral lot yes and so I'm with an organization called the Historical Basketball League in and we fully expect in our in for somebody who's paying their way through school that's a big deal well the NCAA has periodically to be a student that doesn't make any sense to me if they're if they're if they're mission perhaps successful as a football player why why say you got to go to school why say there's virtually no one in intercollegiate athletics who thinks that's where it ought to go so the notion port that they can get from a university to be a student that's the NC double as president support for this podcast and the following message come from Uber unscreened on an ongoing basis and now uber has introduced a brand new safety slash safety peers life kid is that friend who always has great advice grabbed to life kit all guys likenesses Luke Bonner I want to ask you about your experiences as well you grew up as I understand as college athletes I mean how do people feel about you know over ten years ago now in the you're college basketball player like if you the entire life is is is the sport even from lives in community events and all this stuff you're really not receiving the true internship you have to schedule your classes around your training that already exist your ends yesterday Republican Senator Mitt Romney of Utah weighed in on this announcement he said he supported the idea athletes on campus driving around in Ferraris everybody else's you know basically athletes all those handful of schools then you kill collegiate sports so there needs to be some what about that the concerns about the details of how this might roll out okay so we we should probably is that the NCWA kind of a shadow group that operates off abuses of racism and so and football in the power sports and in the power five they are the moneymakers of one of the last American plantations the way we did tyler is that a fair comparison to say well mainly fair overwhelmingly eight nineteen ten it was built for player safety because too many people were dying on football fields in the northeast did you so now and schools release book out about it and so if you're pulling these people twenty fourteen paid if they are throwing their bodies on the line if every year we have athletes especially in football who are mostly black you can ask almost any academic it's not an argument and so the problem becomes this issue isn't just the experience the issue is just how do we do it the issue is economic equity addicts or or macintoshes or how we get it done is argument morality and how we've treated the black body in America wchs these student athletes are already being should these athletic departments who are making millions of these athletes reaction is to that this kind of arbitrary it's not it's not real money it's it's a ticket the I like that is part of your compensation package doesn't it doesn't add up we're going to continue this conversation from Google from Connecticut to California from Mississippi to Minnesota millions of in all fifty states helping businesses get online connect with new customers and work more productively Oh and don't forget you can catch the news roundup at the end of every week the past decade saw a to join NPR music as we look back at the twenty ten its defining trends and moments listened comments. I look I just wanted to close the loop on what David was saying in terms and they're clear you've got faculty salaries textbooks that students have to buy you know those Oh the Joshua Johnson of what is it how many years ago did I graduate in two thousand and it's a fair point gets to the larger issue right of like the College System Really that value in payment is just not true 'cause you're not getting the athletes are forced to change majors right to to be able to fit their their training schedules the price is you know enough first of all none of us like I don't think any like kind private college I've been fed up for years with being asked to accommodate college athletes perhaps if it were their job instead and they worked in the summer as I just heard mentioned I wrestled in college so I know I remember sitting with my car broken down for three weeks trying to decide should go get groceries or to fix my car and I remember just spin they're it would help if I I'm not even saying like a full I hey stipend would be nice for for these collegiate athletes because again how the previous and you get nothing and the minute you get a little bit of something from some other they shape now dion I try and get that back your I hate to cut you is not only valuable for its own sake because it allows you to earn more in the future but you idea of starving college student isn't fun when you are one but you do have a sense of what the economics it's on the student to think through that financial burden before they get involved in a sport and been like hey dude I've got Rahman at my house because they couldn't afford to get rum it ticket sales because they do get a portion to itself they they get it through all these these weird I star like that's the thing is is it doesn't make sense to me in that sense like why can't we and make sure athletes are properly taken care of it that's what they're supposedly supposed to write Catholics what do you think ideally not only should be done but also who should solution scenario so to me there are two potential solutions risk because essentially what we have right now is we have elected officials effectively in touch with the needs of the athlete as evidenced by Mitt Romney's statements I was like collectively bargaining so we attempted unionization route with the North Western if without in the absence of a collective bargaining unit for the players I think at the same time it's like if there's going to be a collective bargaining unit oh where the unionization effort runs into trouble when you get into legal definitions wrist

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Revisited: Kevin Parker (Tame Impala) with Dan Snaith (Caribou)

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Revisited: Kevin Parker (Tame Impala) with Dan Snaith (Caribou)

"Hi this is keri. Brownstein this is. Dr bernard oscar got lizard right here. Is me down right here. At least tyler. Trucco quest for at arlington brits. All of your when usf tracy cosmas and you're listening to the talk house podcast. It's tacos podcast. Keenan kush with utah. Jazz director of operations. We have a fun episode for you. We are diving into our audio to bring you. Kevin parker from tame impala in conversation with dan snaith of caribou. Since we have last aired this episode we've seen re releases from each artist for tame impala. It was a box set of inner speaker. That's seven parker's debut record for its tenth anniversary. We also saw a short behind the scenes film from the recording sessions behind inter speaker. And there's going to be a livestream event happening later. This month where kevin parker and company will be performing inner speaker in full live from the wave house that is upcoming april twenty. First more details in knee description for caribou. Dan just released suddenly. Remix is where we see some tracks gate reworked by four tet torah. We ma floating points and more like many tacos conversations. Both of them are huge fans of each other's work. They dive into how in when they first met having confidence as an artist and much much more. That's roll the tape. How you doing kevin. i'm good man. i'm really good. I'm down south at the moment just started a rock and file. I'm i'm getting better making ause little place here. I've got a. I've got to remember. It's your evening where the place you're in is very dark by the looks of things you there to record this. Just just tina hang out for a few days on my own kind of like to just spice out sometimes and yeah exactly. Yeah so you're in the uk era. Yeah i'm in this room. I'm sitting in his basement studio awesome. Where record everything is that a. Is that a mini. Moog hundred. yeah you can see that. There's a mini moog. Is that original or reissue. No it's a reissue. it's i mean to me. Yeah the thing that. I just bought a couple of days ago. Is they're making an arp twenty six hundred but i bought an original one. I'd been playing. Sam floating points one i i used it on the my last record a bunch and i was just like this thing is out of this world while like it's it's such a beautiful thing. So that's that's that's big one right. Yeah yeah yeah you need like a university degree to be able to operate it. I don't know about that really. Yeah yeah you can use it without it being modular in any way. There's it is the one that there's a great video. I think of ozzy osbourne trying to use it. Fuck you so pissed off it. It's pretty user friendly. Actually it feels like an instrument rather than something you have to like. Assemble lab is playable like that so you believe that there could be a digital version of that. That would trick you into the heat's the real one. Well you know. I had this for ages because a lot of my well. My friends run the whole gamut of like buying every vintage since imaginable. New being like forget it. I'm just caring for for example just makes music with nothing basically You know some samples and a laptop and that's it some of my albums like Swim the album's like music. I was making ten years ago idea. Use a kind of software version of an arp. Twenty six hundred and i was really happy with the way that it sounded but then last year when i was working on suddenly the most recent album. Yeah sam's like. I'll give you the keys my studio you can just come and mess around with whatever you want. And when i got in there and i played some of his stuff i was like. Oh you know that's why you just turn it on and it sounds unbelievable. exactly how. 'bout you are you. Do you have like the perfect compressor in you know the perfect channel strip for everything or it's so funny like i've i've move between being of sacred about objects a real things like this real fucking debut x one six five. That's the juice like that's it and going like what does it fucking you know like When you real one with digital one somewhere in the mix if you had to mixes of song. I need some switched out some piece of equipment in there. Yeah for a different version of it. Like would anyone know or care like the coupons spinning totally and my philosophy is like. It's just how much fun you have making it like you enjoy patching in that compressor from nine hundred seventy nine and you watch those the the needles go but you see a lot up. Yeah if that's what gets you through to the end to the finish line of making his if that's what is fun about the process. Then that's all that matters. Yeah yeah and also if you're using a piece of software for me anyway. I i'm not using it to like exactly try and replicate something that would be no fun like trying to force it into into being this thing that it's not but it's just about kind of approaching the things that you've got in a way that's fun and creative and not spend like i don't wanna get sucked into those like youtube videos. That are comparing this and that being like the you know the square wave on this is just like forget it and i bet we also had a similar path in that. I started out making like i. I made my first three albums. Without knowing that there is a thing called a compressor technical things. I had no idea so just like making stuff. In whatever way i could and trying to get it to sound. Decent is your first. Three albums is andorra. One of those. what number. no that was the. That's the fourth one. But i still barely knew what a compressor was because we were doing stuff by ourselves. I kind of assume in a fairly similar. Diy way without being a big expensive studio yet. We just figured out ways of doing things that didn't require those like classic pieces of equipment anyway. yeah totally. it's funny and my my favorite story with all that is like the first compressor. I literally just went on ebay and topped in vintage compress up. Hey drums vintage compressor. When abe searched for vintage compress. The only one that was available in australia was debbie x one six five and has my favorite compressor now because it was. That was the one that was closest to get her. And now and now i swear. But now it's like my favorite compressor. So i'm like what if it was difficult press. You know i feel like it's like football teams. You know like what are you. Go for that team. Just because he's dotted going for it one day and now now you die them totally. Yeah totally it's funny. Do you feel like Because i think you have such a wonderful sound characteristic sound in your production that people would say like kevin parker. He's like a master of studio technique. And this could same question. If we want to move away from techie. Kind of stuff could apply to like song writing or whatever playing the instruments that you play. You're obviously super proficient as well. But my impression i don't know what people think when they feel my record. Listen to my records. But i always my feeling is like i just barely know enough about what i'm doing to like. Get this record done and when i start a new one i'm like why didn't i learn anything like the last six or seven albums. I made them just like sitting there. It's not that i. I get started but i'm like how the fuck did i do that last something like what what. Why don't i know how to do this yet. How do you feel on that spectrum of well. The first thing i'll say about that is like i think that's a good sign it because it's like i think that's a sign that you don't rely on sort of techniques that you've sort of repeatedly learned autumn in like that you're not going about it. The same method each time. Because if you did that you'd get better and you and you'd be in you know that you're proficient like the fact that we kind of just feel it out each. Tom is a sign. The we do it organically. That's that's the way i see it. I one hundred percent. Bill exactly the same way i feel like every time mahathir have to relearn how to write a song you know how. How do you. How do you mix drum kit and with that kind of thing. I kind of feel like i'm the worst in the world at a until i'm suddenly the best in the world and it's such a mature way of looking at everything from writing their drum sounds. I'm like this is trash. This is awful. This is embarrassingly. She it and then suddenly like oh. It's brilliant. do not. I mean like suddenly. It's oh this is like i could stand by this. I could share this world and feel good about it. I think like a huge part of why it's still as exciting and fun and everything for me as right at the beginning was that that moment is still there when things just like click and i'm like fog s this is this is really yeah. I feel like that's what we do. Full yeah told jason dragging the even when that happens. Sometimes i'm like. Did i do that or did it just like happened by coincidence. I have moments when i'm like you know d. Did that just kind of fortuitously fall into place. And i guess that's the kind of confidence thing now looking back over the years. I'm mike i've made stuff that. I'm happy with enough time. Then there's something in there that even if i'm not consciously aware of how to put those pieces together i'm doing something right and that helps me just like trust the process of just make you make music and that moment will happen again you know. Yeah oh so. Many questions that i have. Just they're all bottle-necking into one in the whole question of confidence as an artist. Do you think that. Us slowly becoming more confident time. You release something that you can sort of confidently say. It's good only. Ask that. Because i feel like i'm slowly growing in confidence. All comes crashing down. Sometimes you just want to delete everything you've ever done. But i feel that. I released an album. Had no confidence in you know. I wasn't able to say that. I enjoy and and i think like having my confidence in it and then sort of like retrospectively looking back like oh. It was pretty good like realizing that. That's a cycle like you do it. That's probably what's going to happen again like when released an album. Usually it's like the lowest point of my opinion of that. That's funny that's different and instead it goes up from there. Okay like it's funny because you i remember. You emailed me a little while ago saying like. Hey let's swap albums and that was just when i'd finished slow i'd just finished recording of it recording and that's usually when i can't listen to any music that i hear that's amazing just sounds incredible. It always sounds depressingly and you will. Hey let's say you my album. I remember saying please. I know i can't i can't i can't deal with a new caribou album. Yeah i can recognize that but it's funny. It's happened at a different time for me because this is super fascinating to me again. I'm the questions are bottle-necking agai- generally. I'm kind of growing confidence. And the other thing that's super important to me is having the same people. My whole the twenty years of making music. My wife and karen hampton for both of those people will take me down. I trust both their tastes in music and they will tell me with like the unvarnished truth. They'll just be like yeah. This is garbage. move on you know. And that's so so important but the other thing that's important for me and you know we're both working by ourselves right. That's peculiar or a little bit peculiar about us. I suppose are have in common. Definitely the thing is that this blows my mind about you is that i need to let it sit like by the time. I'm sending you that album the that i've quote unquote just finished. Sure maybe have just finished the like final tweaks in the mixing mastering and stuff but the songs and all the parts have been done for months. I'm sitting on. I'm sitting on it. And that's how i get a sense of that. I'm happy with it whereas i hear it in interviews. You talk about like you know. I'm finishing it a song tonight and that's going off to mastering tomorrow and and you know like you're finishing significant parts of a song at that late stage that would scare the shit out of me because you know what we've all had that moment where you listen back to something a week later and you're like ono th. I was excited about it. It's not what i thought. It was whatever so having that deadline between like putting together and it being stamped signed and sealed finished would really scare me. Because i think past the passage of time is something that i rely on. So yeah yeah do you do that. How do you do. It's it's traumatic traumatic. And every time i'd do a swear to myself and i'm not going to let myself do it again because it's all because i'm a progress tonight and we'll be my own fault because i will say oh. I wouldn't release the song at this point in time like a month from now. So like the record label of set the date. And they'll so you're gonna have a done by then. I'm like yep definitely right and so i ended up just backing myself and doco on every time where i have to come up against. But it's kind of just like a song or when it comes to the album. And i haven't finished haven't finished like when it comes to really mata's i'd never really do it like that right but some of the pressure helps you think. Because i just don't let those deadlines be set you know. I won't let a release state or whatever be set or mastering date even be set until i'm confident that yeah okay. The only things that need to be done on this kind of cosmetic little fixes. Or whatever that i know i can do. I've never do it. Yeah a hole in the record. With where song should be kind of or something like that. Yeah that's that's that's really admirable. And and i think i'm just scared. I know admirable. Yeah well self-disciplined. Then maybe i i guess like sometimes i get wrapped up in the excitement of releasing a song or the whole world of releasing music for example. Like before a festival or something. I got a bit lost in that that world. But it's it provides excitement and you know like pressure can be good. I think sometimes i don't know maybe yeah i. It's essential yeah. I'd probably never finish anything if i did right. It's funny because like by the time. I'm finished a song for made like the best moment of making music is kind of like that kind of that. Aha moment that we touched on before that moment of i've got which happens for me kind of i along time before i finished the song and so finishing the song is really just to share it with the world. Finishing it is because it's it's that kind of process yep. I probably wouldn't finish music. I didn't after a laser. Yeah right in my songs would just be perpetually in the state of unfinished because like yeah making those decisions can be tough you know. Do you rely on other people's feedback at all because if you're in a band with people there are other people in the room whether you like it or not telling you what that they liked that bass part or whatever. We're not there's nobody else in the room most of the time. So do you rely on people's opinions or do you just laser focus. Trust your own judgment on things. I try to trust my judgment. But i mean i hate what my brain does when i play tobepal. I'm sensitive to their every facial movement. You design thing happened to you like it. Just like doesn't it. It's weird. it's like a different song. Yeah isn't that funny. Which which is. I think is really helpful right. I mean it kind of to get outside of our being so inside the bubble of our own protective but it is terrifying. Yeah yeah and. I also think like you're anxious of playing it to that person like in the way that you hear differently that can be sort of a bad distortion of reality Do you know what i mean like. Sometimes you'll think the vocals of loud of that now or or you'll like the vogel is too dry or something. You know you become more self conscious. It's fickle. it's a strange based playing music. Tobepal do you do you like the songs. When you've played them live one hundred times. I mean or there's some of the me like lasts every as time goes on or how does that work or is it a totally different thing. Does it not even relate to separate. It usually sounds bed. Because when i'm singing love you know it's kind of like it's a. It's a rural environment. Know drinks like it's kind of like the live things rough your pitch perfect when he's saying i mean as it's another question that i wanted to ask you for me. Singing is the thing that i should not be doing. you know. i'm not a singer and i am embarrassingly. Bad at saying. I went as long as i could. Replaying live shows where we had the vocals on a backing track and kind of a video. You kind of flaming lips style. Do you remember they did that kind of thing or anything to get me out of actually having to live and then at some point is obvious. Okay now i'm going to have to start and we did a whole to our. When i just sung one song live and then i gradually got to the point where i'm seeing all the songs live. Obviously yeah but sometimes i think okay. This is like a really severe limitation. On what i can do musically you know put me in front of a piano and i'm totally happy and comfortable because that's my home instrument but singing is something i have to work at and sometimes i think he. Maybe that's good. you know. Maybe it means that the melody has to really work or click because just listening to my voice saying isn't enough you know there's got to be something engaging about the malady or the how it fits with the harmony or something like that. But i think that's one of the interesting things about caribou you'll vocal melodies and the way you sing them the melodies sung melodic in this so pretty and some of those key. Almost pop rb melodies. And it's kind of melody where you could imagine someone else sing it. Someone with some crazy. Aaron big voice. But it's interesting that it's your voice seen right. That's that's what gives that kind of interesting. Yeah i've kind of got to a point where i understand that over the Being able to be like okay. That is what's different of. Thank you for saying that. Can i ask you a a suicide bonus question. Yeah when you imagine vocal melodies. Do you imagine someone singing it like does it sound like it's your voice or do you imagine it sounding and then like when you sing it voice in question but yeah. There have been times when i've thought about other people. Sing it or thought this would be a good melody. Am i going to be able to pull it off with definitely the more on gun through it and the more i've got to know my voice in the limitations of it the more i'm like. It isn't just about writing analogy. It's about writing a melody that i can make work in will work with my voice so now it's it is very much more about i kind of know what this melody gonna sound like when i sing it. And is that going to work or not. And if not. I've got to find another melody that is fitting melody with the limitations of my voice or particulars on my voice. Well it's working. It's but i was gonna say like in your music all the elements. There's kind of no chink in the army. You know every you seems really proficient at all of the songwriting producing playing. All the instruments is remarkable. It's amazing but do you feel that there are limitations that you're pushing up against in your own abilities that help you or hinder you or whenever it's funny because i kind of feel the opposite about my individual elements you know like i feel like none of them amazing on their own but all put together. They make something unique. It's like a house of cards. Like i feel like just me singing on someone song wouldn't be very special or just me. Playing guitar in a band wouldn't be very good for some reason. It all kind of maybe. It's something to do with the fact that it's the same person doing it. Yeah i believe in this sort of like the strength of a singular vision yet in the way the bands that work will. They're all kind of in the same heads space connected and when you hear someone's music with i've applied that vision to every todd of it then it has this kind of like cohesiveness that is something else it stevie wonder. Well that's a really good description of your music. I think it has totally that has character. But then if i think about the individual elements like i hear a little bass riff or something like that. So kevin well thanks him. But i think you're right that the fact that each part of the song has your characteristic in it makes it a really coherent thing and maybe that's the same of for people who are solo. That's something so then. A difference between us is that. You've done a bunch of collaboration in the last few years. And i never do any collaboration. I'd basically by myself and and you have just hung on. People songs are help them write a song or play an instrumental song the up. How's that work you know when someone asked me to sing on this song. I feel like saying la okay. Well how do i say guy. But i'm not like oh yeah yeah. You don't want to really work on his own. You know like i never. I never think when. I do a vocal feature. I usually just sort of console myself that they want the time impala vocal sound rather than they want me person they want. They don't want to sound great. They just wanted to sound like technical. Like that's what i kind of subconsciously. Think but yeah. I mean the whole thing collaborated for me is that it's sort of like i'm trying to find things that i can do. That aren't what i usually do like someone from a completely different genre that i consider land and try something new like the more different. It is from what. I usually do. The better usually. It's kind of like a fantasy land. Where i'm not this one artist that has a sound and has a process. It's like what if all the variables changed but then obviously leads the day. It's always it's the real world so does it make it more fun and last pressurized in easier to do in some way you know like do you end up agonizing over it like you would tame impala record exactly exactly. Yeah because at the end of the day it's something that your contributing to and care about. I want to be good. You know the fantasy is that it's like there's like no pressure It can be anything. It doesn't matter if it's shit you know but of course it does matter it matters just as much as any other pain you d get asked to clever right like produce thing. Yeah remixing is one of the most common things i get asked to do is go ahead and production and stuff like that you know movie soundtracks those kind of things at some point i just thought looking back at the music that i made remixes were the things that i was leased happy with and and also the things that i least wanted to do partly because of that deadline problem you know this like a deadline and you have to hand something in me. If i'm only seventy percent happy with it. I still have to hand it in and that was kind of the time that i had kids as well or our first daughter and i just said you know what i think. Just be happier if i just had a blanket like no. I'm not. I'm not. I'm well i'm so slow working. I mean sure. Everybody feels that way. But i i feel like i'm really slow working on my own stuff and that's probably what makes me happiest and i kind of looking back at our most proud of so going to do that absolutely. Yeah that's really. That's really strong. That's really disciplined because for me. I'm like ooh. I could say the same thing to myself. And then someone come awake letters. And i'll be like. Oh okay. yeah. I know but sometimes i feel like i'm just being stupidly adherent to a rule that it yeah it goes both ways. Are you ever tempted to just sort of like give people songs like rata song for someone and getting them to sing in the way that you don't think you'll vocal sound is the best of the thing. I think this is different between you and i to. Is that the thing that that i end up with. After having made an album is i've made every day. I make like two or three little sketches. Which don't have vocal melodies. They're just like a loop. You know keyboard part drums something else an end up with like hundreds and hundreds of those that's my processes just loads of those this no pressure making one of those because if crap it just goes in the garbage pile but then i end up with a bunch of them. That are like this something good about that. But it's never gonna. I'm not gonna finish it because it's not as good as the other things or it's doesn't fit with the other things on. Sometimes i'm tempted to in another world or another context. Like i could give those to collaborate or somebody who wants to sing over something i mean. It seems like super wasteful to have made all his music and then literally. Just put it on this. Rach which is generally what happens but i am. I right in thinking you write the number of songs that are on the album basically or close to it. You know like as well. It's it's more just sort of like. I start ideas but i'll never come close to finishing a song that isn't definitely going to be released. Does that mean you're one of those people that you'll make tons of stuff and then select the best stuff. The you want to release exactly that. Yeah i let them sit for a while so the ones i'm not super happy about don't get very far along it's not like i've got hundreds and hundreds of almost finished songs. They're like draft ideas osho. But but i've heard you talk about having a song kind of appear in your head almost fully formed and if anything i'm the polar opposite of that i have to actually get my hands on instrument. Yeah and and that's easy and productive. And i never like have kind of writer's block and those kind of things especially because sometimes i get like you know melody my hat or something but then when i try and court it it just turns into trash version. Isn't that sad when it's definitely you know. Sometimes i feel like some melodies not meant to belong to be a part of the real like a melody some chords malady over baseline or something and for some reason it works in your head but you listen to it in real life and it's like suddenly it has to our. I guess that song just is it has to live in my head. I think that's good the again. It's like kind of the this puzzle that we haven't figured out after doing this for a while. There's still a mystery to it. You know it's not as simple as being like i know that's going to be. I mean i think some people probably have that ability to just be like. I know this is going to be something great I've just got a fall through. But i like that. It's a little hard to track down. Stevie wonder public exactly those who i was thinking of as well. Are you missing playing live shows. How do you feel about the fact that we both have kind of defacto lockdown albums given that. They came out like right before all of this. Yeah isn't that funny. I guess you've probably been getting messages from people being like you know year albums. Been something that. I've listened to lots in this time and we'll they'll always associate it with that. This time was the. I'm a little bit scared of this album. Being an album that people forever associated with this time. Just because tom is kind of like its own time in the world and and everything is crazy. It's an emotional time a lot of people but at the same time. It's kind of like it's also a terrible it's nothingness. Tom and i hope that reminds people of something other than just getting stuck on arm right. That's the only thing. I'm i'm i'm worried about but the music the you make and probably the music that i make to some degree is such a kind of world inside your head. You know what i mean. So that israel. Like i mean making music for me is an escape into something unreal as well and so. I imagine that our music has done that in this time for. That's very true. That's looking gonna i. We don't have any choice in it. You know the other thing just has it. Yeah and yeah i mean. Obviously i'm missing playing live. It's funny i didn't. I didn't even register until just recently that. We've not playing la di but it's like i try to be kind of glass half full about about everything and given the people like you and i we can still do what we do. And especially because we're kind of self sufficient recording we can still do a large part of what we love to do. As though nothing ever changed and for that reason we're extremely privileged for sure and so i kind of feel i kind of feel bad about complaining that we can't do the other thing we love doing which is totally fair. It's suddenly just hit me the other day. You know i was like oh yeah. We're not. I'm not doing that thing about love. You know like. I got sober. Sort of like caught up in the pandemonium in the kind of craziness of corona vars kicking in that. I forgot that we just started this to that. We weren't really. We played three shows really. Yeah yeah we we would just big kind of like north american league and the plug got pulled after a third. How about you had you started doing. We were in a We've never done this before. Like got a full production kind of warehouse. Our first date was march thirteenth fourteenth. Or something like that and And we were having these kind of i. Don't i don't have a manager. I don't have like a lot of like infrastructure around me so it's literally me guys in the band. Are lighting engineering. Our sound engineer sitting there being like what what are we. Do you know what happens. We're getting on a flight tomorrow at nine am but things are just increasingly going crazy. Every day shows are still know. The uk was a bit ahead of some parts that we were starting canada. And there weren't that many cases in canada and looking back. I think we were so in this weird. Denial which i guess everybody was to some degree thinking that we just going to. I mean we. Yeah it gradually beyond on us and it was literally eight. Pm the night before we were supposed to catch a flight the next morning. I was like okay. Everybody we're not going anywhere you know and isn't it funny. How how much it changed day. Every day was like you know sort of grew in intensity. No one what was gonna happen. Twenty four hours from now you know what state the world was going. Yeah exactly. I think we can be forgiven for being so naive. Because there was this thing that was changing so fast and and you know seemed unreal all the things that have since then. Yeah to change topic a little bit. I just thought people might want to hear about us meeting the first time. Remember when that was Was that in new zealand. Yes yeah yeah okay. So it was that because i think we met up then. I didn't know if we'd met at a festival or something but not before that i don't think yet. The festival called camp below That's it campbell so cool. It was in the middle of nowhere new zealand in zule or like a holiday camp. Or something yeah. It was really free. Form compared to most music festivals. Like there wasn't even a kind of fence around it or people just if they'd come that far that they will be there and Yeah and we played in like the bottom of a swimming pool or something. Yeah i remember you. you're just hanging out. I think. I did. You play there or when i met you. You're just hanging was just about to say. I don't know if i was playing. I think i was. I was playing in my my friend's house. Okay yeah that's i was playing drums for them which i now realize that i was playing at the time but i could easily have just been. They're just hanging out with them. We were with care and fourteen. Maybe he knew somebody new and you were just like hanging out on the grass. And then i remember. You had a laptop and headphones and you were working on stuff for loner is my guess. And you played me would have been nothing. That has happened. You just gave me a check. This was like holy shit. I always stuck with me. I must have been a lot. More brash back then because i don't know how i gathered up the courage to play you unrelated stuff so stuff that i was wondering. Maybe we're playing it to other people. And i was like can i have you know. Can i have a list. Yeah but anyway. Yeah not festival was so it was a kind of festival utopia. Yeah there's a few of those kind of things around australia where it's just like if you know you know things that i guess because of nine should they don't last very right. I like the the grow their the grow too big to be what they started. All we had a good couple years doing it like just stop doing it. You know which is which is kind of romantic. I guess do you ever miss playing kind of scrappy weird. Gigs absolutely absolutely yeah. I mean like just bus of the way. It's naturally evolved in such a big operation now the time polish. I kind of just. We just kind of grew into that role of like okay. We're going to one festival one time we just. We gotta creative design team. We got leg weeks of pre production stuff and then for some rain and then it just turned into that being the way we do it. Now should yeah. I was just thinking of the die like god. I miss playing those small sweaty shows where everything is so uncontrolled the bigger yoga as a live. Act the more. Everything is controlled like the temperature is controlled. The sound is controlled. Yeah just so far from the front of how speakers that you'd have your own little personal mix and it's completely controllable but i miss just sort of not knowing what's going to happen. Not the place is going to look like it's going to sound. Yeah yeah how about you where obviously on playing shows on a smaller scale but still it's like if if this place doesn't have the kind of lighting and video back that we need we can't do a show there you know and sometimes i think that means that the show is always as we kind of want it to be but i thinking back about our early days of doing shows some of those places that we you know. If we didn't know what we were getting into we probably would have been like. This isn't a good idea. But then they ended up being so fun and weird and scrappy and memorable and you know matt people through those kind of experiences and that's one of the things that i was so inspired by when i was thinking that you guys live those tongue because it was kind of like over every couple of years i think we kind of like cross positive festivals law and always me house of inventive. You were with the stage layout and how you did exhibit almost gonna facing each other. I'm not sure if that's still do. You know it seemed like you just using the platform of the stage to kind of. Do it your own way. You didn't yeah. Good describe. But i saw those good. I'm glad to hear you say that. Because you know we still set up our own gear before of festival performance. And i'm like. I'm aware that kind of sends a message that people are like this. These guys are doing this kind of weird. Diy way are all huddled in the middle and that came about in the funniest way we you know we. We were playing small stages and we wanted to be close to. We had to be close to one another. And and then we'd show up at a festival and there'd be a big stage and we will be like yeah but there's a cable running from me to him so i can't be any further away though so we'd we'd end up on a big stage being like. Is this a bit stupid. Where like huddled in the middle but then let's just embrace that also. I do think sometimes the that kind of attitude shuts me down from you know. You've yeah i've seen you play in different environments and the show is so incredible and obviously requires so much work and as such a big production but is amazing. And and you know. If i'm just being like we've got to stick to this weird setup that we're all together that close off possibilities making it something really cool. Yeah like now that. You've got this huge. Kaleidoscopic spaceship landing stage show recently anyway so playing those shows. Because you're like man this. I mean i've had those moments even with our show when i'm like this is insane looking around. You know like the amount of flashing lights and things adds to my enjoyment of it. And i can only imagine makes people enjoy the show so i do love it. I mean i am kind of resigned to the fact that's kind of how it is now. A do often get frustrated at how kind of rigid the process can become. Things happen a lot less spontaneously like just in the production of it for example. It's really difficult to add a song. I just say you wanted to In the middle of to play this song tonight the production manager will go like whoa hang on their hang on their sunny lot. We haven't we haven't striped time code and say to these various departments. The control of the things connected in ways of technology. I don't even understand in that way. It can become a little bit. It's not as organic you know. But it's it's just something. I've kind of just realized after work with you know because that's the only way that it can be like as momentous as it is your guest. I am always kind of inspired to find ways to buck the system and even though it's that big and even though we've all the stuff we can still do it One of the most wonderful things. Outside of tame impala the music itself. I don't know if you feel this. But i feel like the scale of its popularity and how culturally ubiquitous it's become is somehow like unlikely and There are no other bands like you at that scale like headlining festivals selling out arenas and stadiums because it doesn't fit into some like mode or whatever show on some smaller level. I feel the same whenever we step on a big stage on stage. I'm like it's so cool that we're playing this weird music To this many people do you feel that. Are you proud of that. Do i mean. I can't explain it. It's funny because i get that a lot like. Yeah how do you explain it right. Not not the is a backhanded compliment. But it's always like. I honestly sometimes i feel like i'm getting close to understanding understanding why people like time in politics at the same time. I'm like if i if i don't understand why people like pot. Maybe that's a good thing because i'll exploited. It does seem like a bit of a back. I the way i look. I look at some bands of some music and some operations. When you see that kind of management everything's so like by the book straight ahead it's a business kind of thing and then i see other people. I'm like you're a weirdo. Like i'm a weirdo. You know and it's just so nice to see those things thriving makes me really happy for an and you know you meet people who are there are people who are genuinely fans of music. That's weird and interesting does all sorts of things so it's not surprising in that sense but it's just like right on. I'm so glad that that is possible. Yeah anyway if if we talked about nothing else. I want to talk about i wanted to. I'm not gonna ask you anything. I'm just going to tell you. I want to tell you about how i heard. Your music even didn't ask no i do. I do want to know that funny because leading up to this thing we're doing a realize one hundred thought about this moment since it happened but i was at this kind of house party and it was caucus small kind of a kind of gathering. Just like you know drinking smoking house body. And i just had one of those moments where you know when you like when you hear something and you just like everyone shut the fuck up. What is that like using you get you get a little bit selfish because you like shut up some. Tell me what that is you know. Usually i'm not like that. I'm not as rude. But i still remember someone. It will boombox. And they'll playing melody. And i just remember sitting next to and i've made them repeated on asking me for my friend. Nick who is this. I remember loving it because it reminded me of a little bit of like in the who love because it has that snare that big was leading the snare which is kind of like a. It always gets me but yeah that was it like when the album and everything. I'm so happy to have been one of those moments for sure and listening to dan yan loads when i was making that for sure. Yeah have you seen them live. Yeah i finally saw them live. Yeah a little while ago too long. Yeah yeah. I just remember thinking like you know. I loved him yen. But i'll never hear something modern kind of kind of effect on me. And that's why. I was kind of like taken aback when i had melody day. And eliza door because it had that like that really beautiful kaleidoscopic melody tonality but you could tell it was electric blue marineland. It was like Because that's always kind of been a sort of musical goal for me is like something. That's so kind of like something organic and human sounding but in this kind of electronic realm and i feel like you ve always nailed that elusive thing. You know. it's like it's electron iq and repetitive and yeah electric but it but it has this but it's so overwhelmingly human. Well thank you saying. it's surreal. I think that just comes about through since like i was trying to make a zombie album. You know run i. Instead of being in abbey road studios. I had like a crappy laptop and a pile of records that sample like two notes of a flute off of and then try and put it in place and if anything went you know. I'm i'm really proud of that album andorra and but if anything when i look back at it. That's my only criticism. Oh i was like trying so hard to make something that captured those kinds of sixties early seventies psychedelic records. But i love that about it. That i was trying to do that but i failed. And that's kind of why it was sort of may sort of interesting. You know what. I mean for something and i missed and the thing. The miss was actually more interesting. Than if i'd actually being capable of doing the thing properly. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's funny it's funny that yeah i feel. There are so many examples of that in history musically laced of people. Trying to sound like something you gary numan. He was kind of like a punk rocker. Rut And he was trying to make dance music or something. I delwan wanna heard was cost when he made. Hey he was trying to make it. Sound like the hives. I don't know if that's true. I totally get that because song is just like is such a normal yet. There's no other song in the world like. Yeah there's never has passed. Its own realm of music economy even anyway but apparently he'd been watching hives a lot of vegetables and stuff and he didn't wanna make Like a kind of a garage rock because you can almost almost here. They say but then it's so. It's veered away from that. Yeah i think that's a really good argument to me for like sometimes particularly in certain strains of dance music club music but also in other types of music. There's this real kind of purity or pure kind of streak that people are like no you. Cannot you know it has to be this thing and you cannot kind of bring in other disparate influences and and it's seen as a kind of watering down or you know Weakening of something to have a kind of mishmash of things which i've always been drawn to a mishmash of things. Those are the music that i like. The most where they're kind of on the boundary between this is not quite this and it's not quite that young and i and i just think that's how music yeah like you say there's so many examples in music history. That's kind of how music works. You know like people trying to do one thing. Not having the same skills or context or whatever Yeah yeah yeah told me a long time to get over. This idea of types of music sounding authentic. I've always loved dance music and electronic music. But i bit because i kind of grew up in the kind of like quote unquote rock World i always felt like if i made dance music would sound inauthentic and with other things to iron billion hipaa even like psych rock making soccer. I thought i wasn't being authentic. Took me a long time to get over. That kind of like paranoia. That kind of concept. Because obviously it's bullshit Yeah i've definitely have it myself. That same feeling. Do you know this album. By this guy. Charron jeet singh called ten ragas to a disco beat. What's it called. I forget how many ragas sounds sounds like it's unbelievable is this guy and he was just like a soundtrack composer in india and he made an album with like all the role and stuff like three. Oh three and a drum machine. And i don't know maybe a junior or something and he was just playing ragas like but with an acid base and drums and he just totally accidentally invented house music and techno completely independently. I dunno know the kind of record record collector kind of person. When i heard that i was like whole and obviously it sounds very different because the scales are different and cetera. Yeah i love those anomalies That's kind of also goes to what we were talking about before when i making music. I'm always thinking that if people listened to at all or if it's like still around in a few years at all it'll be viewed as a kind of well there. Was this weirdo doing this kind of like half this half that kind of thing. That's very much in my mindset. Because a lot of the music that i love. Are those kind of weird anomaly. Outsider ash kind of things. I don't know yeah. Yeah do you ever think about your music being appreciated retrospectively. Like i say that because a friend of mine makes music and he likes to think of it as being listened to in thirty think of it as an album someone finds in some dusty old records door. Did more so than than people listening to it right now. You know something about that discovering it after a long time. That does it for him. That's a cool way of thinking about it. Actually yeah i mean it's it's a funny thing and it plays into another thought that i have the world is full of music obviously never more so the thought of making music adding something to that. Is this crazy like active ego. I don't think either your egomania but you have to kind of drink yourself into this mindset. That like what we're gonna do. We're going to sit down and do something worthwhile. Even though there have already been like a hundred million songs written in the world or you know. It's funny i think about that and i think it's some kind of a trick like a self-deception you know that allows me to sit down and think i'm going to write the best song in the world today. It's obviously not going to happen. But if you don't think that you never do it you know you never try absolutely. I'm beginning to think that a certain amount of ego is vital in the creative process. The something about it and it sounds bad. But you know there's something about the feeling of like kind of like a an inherent self-importance you know. I don't know i don't know well. I wonder if you have the same kind of feeling because it sounds to me like you grew up in cnn. Perth yes that reminds me of the town that i grew up in. Do you have any friends who you're like. That friend make such amazing music is so creative and interesting. If only like the finish that song they played me. That was half finished. It would be so great and everybody would love it and stuff like that. And and i know so. Many people like that You know they were doing more interesting things than i was but i was so desperate to be doing exactly what we're doing right now. Like playing gigs around the world and having people listen to my music that just was this crazy drive just to kind of have this imagined thing of quote unquote being a musician was one of the things driving me to to keep doing stuff and i guess that's some kind of you know ambition or ego. Whatever i don't know yeah yeah. Yeah well yeah that too. Isn't that funny. Like how important ambition is in that sense but neither of us probably would think of ourselves as ambitious. People like like somebody. Who's you know. get into business. You what i mean. It's weird music. It's a very weird thing. So yeah it's a funny thing too. I mean i definitely have that distorted. That i'm going to rot like the greatest pups on the world off. That sounds stupid loud and obviously not completely true. But it's like yeah it's weird. Well you've written some pretty damn good pops on yeah. I'm glad you are operating under that assumption. Because it's it's working out pretty well anyway. I yeah i'm really glad i don't know about you. I've i've kind of stopped doing all press and stuff and we the times that we've met in the past. It's been like you know pretty short thing festival or whatever and i've always thought a great to get to like not that this is exactly hanging out but the we'd get to hang out and talk more so this closest we'll look for a while this is close to get for a while and i hope we do get to cross paths in person before too long. Yeah absolutely man. It's been really nice to talk. Yeah dude i've Does this thing tate up in thinking about it a lot know. Yeah me too. It's allowed me to i mean. Obviously i've listened to your music loads and love it. But it also i was like i'm going to go back and listen to it all in a really intensive way to which was enjoyed loads for listening music so i decided on the two times have been driven down south. I've had caribou on the whole time. Nice cool things we could. Joe nice to talk to you. 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Tame Impala - It Might Be Time

Song Exploder

17:11 min | 1 year ago

Tame Impala - It Might Be Time

"You're listening to Song. Explorer where musicians take apart their songs and piece by piece. Tell the story of how they were made. My Name's Rishikesh here way. Song exploiter brought to you by progressive one of the country's leading providers of auto insurance with progressive. Name your price tool you say what kind of coverage you're looking for and how much you want to pay and progressive help you find options that fit within your budget. Use the name your price tool and start an online quote today at Progressive Dot Com price and coverage match limited by State Law. This episode contains explicit. Language Tame. Impala is the project. Kevin Parker a songwriter multi instrumentalist and producer from Perth Australia. Since putting his first EP out in two thousand eight he's been nominated for two grammys and won eight of Australia's Reo Words Multiple Tame Impala albums have been named best of the year and as a producer he's collaborated with Lady Gaga. Mark Ronson the weekend and more. The most recent tame. Impala album is the slow rush which came out in February. Two Thousand Twenty so this episode Kevin Chose to take part this on. It might be time. My name is Kevin Pokka from Tim. Impala just started working on this album and I had no idea what the album is going to sound like so I started working on this song and it was definitely just the creative trying. Whatever phase which I think is important. These songs would coming off the back of doing a bunch of Labs so this is kind of what I was saying to get back into With myself again which is nice. I guess chatting with other people that can be kind of an anxiety that it's not going anywhere. One of the reasons I like to work a line is that it doesn't matter if you spend twelve hours and getting away this is up to kind of separate yourself from the end result being perfect. I remember the first color jam having myself playing around some chords on cable. I kind of like it to be a sound that have been used before because I feel like it's a more fertile ground for thinking of new things having you sound so you use the same sound twice. I think he kind of gravitate to the same thing you've done before and then I just kind of jumped on the drums. Just record over the top of that slowly trying to find something. I like to think that things that I arrive at musically and sonically are Serendipitous happy accidents and this album. I wanted to allow that to happen even more but I like to have drums sounding good off the bat because a bedroom sound familiar the lace inspiring thing. I count on Song in wanted. Just record drums for messing around. It's still kind of is like sound. That dialed in so after this down a little bit that I liked and my dental kinda built the song around that. And what's funny? Is the final drums on. The song are actually those drums from the same. Emma just chopped up and processed going to reopen like late. Nineties chopped up drum brakes. Sound but like smash Moore stem for those drums early draw. It's kind of funny to switching between the two. Does that happen? How do you get it to sound like you're playing the drums? Eight thousand pounds harder. Just lots of tricks that question in itself making the drum sound like that accounts for most of my life in the the sounds in this song I love on their own. Almost everything in the chorus is distorted except the keyboard. Pot by says distorted. Drums at a store. Did that lead line. That comes in is distorted and has one of the Nollie seen devices of a lady solar that and the drums. That's the best. If you feel on on I like to write a melody of codes that are stuck in my head. I mean like get them rock-solid ahead the important thing is to digest the cords. I so I replayed them on just like a spice doubt synthesizer and I might have been at Lupu. I just had a guy old. I every day all-round wherever I was always walking around. Have it blasted the studio doing what I'm doing dancing around? I don't know and I don't know what possessed me but I just started singing. The Hook Kinda sounded like someone teasing someone Anna Anna so then I thought it could be cool to make it like your own subconscious tasting you. And that's why like a mommy. Tom Suffice it came from a bit. I had this idea for clip of someone going around live their life and these leg almost Gremlin like kids just jumping out from behind corners. When they're trying to do something cool they're like trying to skateboard down. A hill south thing and levies kids run out and dislike. Keep skateboard out and seeing that chorus lyric to them. Because that's kind of how I- Ciller is like internal Gremlins at that point. I felt like it had this kind of Rock hip hop almost thing like something that any ID would do you know how like they like rock. But it's clearly hip hop song even though it's like distorted guitars and distorted drum kit. Once I've got hall thing of music where I love how it feels. It takes a lot for me to be able to go in Rot. Something new for to add to like. I just love the idea of taking everything that was from this like six our time like just like one session the studio where I just had. This burst of ideas. I love the idea that everything is in. The song came from that little burst of creativity. So this one I was like. Oh I've got the cords that I wrote in that and I liked the wondering nature of the cords so I was like that could be worse. There's something about like an unexpected chord. Change or unexpected timing of change. That just doesn't for me. Just kind of subconsciously gravitate towards codes on Arizona's dis- but good vocals make sense something. The song starts with deciding to go home early because I thought we will done that. And for whatever reason those have always been a source of defeat familiar like fuck guys out in the hoover on the way home. You're like maybe I'm not gonNA partying after all. And then the chorus comes in slamming leg. You've lost it boom there. It is like the punching. I but also that you know this song was also meant to be playful and almost Kinda tongue-in-cheek is earnest. But it's also kind of funny lighthearted our member that's kind of what may my brother used to tease each other about in school. You know I like you picked you. Picked the right man like that. Get under the skin. See that's the thing about this song. I wanted to make sure that it wasn't specific to any kind of situation or edge or anything. I'm thirty four so I could be thinking that. But then like someone that's sixty four would be thinking the same thing and someone. That's twenty four and fourteen and his cools. Used to me now. Here's it might be time by TAME IMPALA IN ITS ENTIRETY Visit Song exploded dot net to learn more about Kevin Parker and Paula. You'll also find a link to stream or by this song. 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Psychedelic bedroom pop musician Cuco

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

13:42 min | 1 year ago

Psychedelic bedroom pop musician Cuco

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from neon presenting loose and electrifying psychological thriller starring oscar winner octavia spencer. Naomi watts tim roth and kelvin harrison junior now playing in select markets additional markets throughout august bullseye with jesse thorn the production of maximum fun dot org and is distributed by n._p._r. It's bullseye here at bull's eye we do regular segment called the song that changed my life so chance to talk with some of our favorite musical artists about the tunes that made them who they are today and this week. It's it's the musician cuco. Cuco is a twenty one year old from hawthorne california not that far from where we are here in los angeles he. He got his start making music in his bedroom. He combines dreamy sense catchy hooks and a bit of jazz trumpet to create a sleepy psychedelic vibe up his debut. Album pammy came out recently. Here's the song feelings uh-huh <music> usually when we ask the question what song changed your life. We think we're going to get a song from back. In the day like <hes>. The beatles are jackie wilson or something but cuco got a little more modern on us. He picked a song from tame impala album loaner loaner ism. It was released all the way back in two thousand twelve. Here's gluco i was thirteen when i first heard physically illegal baggers uh i remember the first time i heard feels like really go backwards. I had pandora the second shuffle. I forgot what radio station i was listening to but yeah dad's song came up and then that's when i think it is found colonialism and it was like pretty recently come out and but that song just like stood out to me the most because it made me it's like completely like wiped out of my body and i was just like whoa but yeah two years later down like spotify and still was like on the free on like listening like shuffle but the hours going through a lot you know kind of like not nine was my husband like a sophomore high school not knowing what i was doing like expelling all my classes and the launer ism album kind of like i had to have a lot of friends either so title honor is almost like like sam yeah rediscovering the hall album again during in that time which is kind of like oh man. This is actually one of the best albums like that's a that's ever been made. Put the album is just like so crazy. Even the songs like nothing that can happen has control mind mischief aw and those is one day when i was just like walking by school and it just hit me more than anything. It got me through through like so much more than anything any any other song has go to get me through. I was going to do like a break. Rallying kyle's high school think thanks bye-bye but regardless like whatever i felt then it was still valid to me and i are also doing pretty bad in school and like kind of like in that clueless i was very present and in loner is in humans. The name you know loaner is i think the my name is being a teenager being unsure what i'm doing like having kind of like having friends but also like my social skills are just like the worst citing like talk to anybody. I feel like the album just like spoke to me really heavy. I the base is one of my favorite parts in physical really go backwards on. It's just like jolly based on. I think the ending guitars early crazy the way he's kinda like i well while like super fuzzy why colleague it's cry. It's like google voice. Kinda like crying should have more with cuco after a quick break. It's both for maximum fund dot org n._p._r. Support for this podcast and the following message come from sierra nevada brewing company in one thousand nine hundred with a few thousand dollars and us dairy equipment. Ken grossman founded sierra in nevada brewing company canes award winning ales propelled him from home brewer to craft breweries. Today candidates families still own one hundred percent of the company one of the most successful independent depending craft breweries in america more at sierra nevada dot com. It has already been uneventful summer in politics yeah between the twenty twenty debates and the president's battle over immigration. There's a lot going on and win. There's news you need to know about the n._p._r. 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Oh one on yeah the early episodes pre problematic so there's no clues those emphasis no no not at all the better ones the good ones clue ahoy listen to every episode repeatedly in sequence laugh if you must but mainly get all the great clues my my brother my brother may it's an advice show kind of but at treasure hunt mainly anywhere you find podcasts or treasure maps my brother. My brother made the hunt is on. It's bull's eye. I'm jesse thorn my guest. This week is the musician cuco his debut. The album paramedics came out recently. Here's gluco kevin parker's the main person behind tim impala us producers composers pre much most of it and breath for me achieving the same i guess vibes and the same i guess in the staubach kind of feeling is like something that always always aimed for and it made me want to actually god and like really produce mind music because there's like a lot of things i want to express it bottled up and incoming parker's is like one of the main reasons that i started like creating music. You know one of the main reasons i decided star my solo project really goff often embark and try to follow my dream of making music because i knew i knew for a fact that schools are for me. You know like i would i again. I want to get angry at school school because i would. I would see kids that just kind of like i dunno slacked off but they were just smart and like without any effort as visa classes and like i'll just get mad because i'm like you know like i studied so much and like i feel like i'm failing but then those like thing like i had had some teachers actually help me realize like like maybe school isn't for you know like like they're. They're like don't tell us to my students but you know like you. You have your own talents. You have your own things you know charlotte to like my miss grace and mr eddie even my band director amy hughes you know like they're just like like sometimes school isn't very waiting on you. Have you have a journey and you have to embark it and definitely listen listening to come in barking okay how he created and like what what it was it was it was for me kind of like a huge refresher instead of being like yo i can i can i can do this and like i want to create enough and when i found out that not record or those records mostly where i'll kevin party. I wasn't shocked but yeah it was because i was like yo. That's so sick like with the students doing it by himself. Obviously he has some pretty crazy criminal outta handsome equipment but but it was still like yelling i indefinitely like make my own music for sure create and and like this like there's nothing that can stop you know started off off. Mike how a small and then unexpectedly my music did something for me and my family. It fueled that fuelled my desire to create music and actually wanted wanted to do something in be someone. It feels like we're only going backwards by tame. Impala the song that changed kuko's life his debut album pammy came <unk> out recently. You can catch him onto across the country this summer and fall no and that's the end of another episode bullseye our show recorded maximum fund dot org world headquarters overlooking beautiful macarthur park in los angeles california where this week our office witness the return of cucaracha basically for months a man would play like cucaracha from his car while driving by the lake so loud that we could hear it in our ninth floor concrete fortress and for a while he was gone and we were worried about him but this morning familiar notes return by papa by like the low rider horns the old neighborhood the show is produced by speaking into microphones our producer kevin ferguson. He's away from the office with a new baby that i i got to meet this week. I wanted to eat him up. Ragu monovalent has been filling in for him. He sues ambrosio is our associate producer. We get help from. I'm casey o'brien. Our production fellow is jordan. Cowling are interstitial music is by dan wally aka deejay w our thanks as always to dan our theme shaw is huddle formation by the go team. It's from their album thunder lightning strike which is getting a beautiful. I just saw this giving a beautiful l._p. Rerelease on multicolored vinyl that looks really sweet so chicago that are thanks to the go team and memphis industries their label and before you go there are so many great interviews in our archive. You can find them at maximum dot org. We're also on facebook twitter and youtube just search for bullseye with jesse thorn. You can keep up with the show. They're all of this. Week's interviews and segments are on our youtube channel. <hes> we are on twitter at bullseye. I guess that's about it. Just remember great radio host. Have a signature sign-off bullseye with jesse thorn is a production of maximum fund dot org and is distributed by n._p._r.

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The Unrelenting Space Jams of Tame Impala

Popcast

43:49 min | 1 year ago

The Unrelenting Space Jams of Tame Impala

"Hi I'm Tara Parker Pope Creator of well the healthy living section from the New York. Times if you're looking for simple ways to build healthy habits join the each day for the well minute our new flash briefing skill on Alexa to get started search for my well minute in the APP and tap enable then ask Alexa to play your flash briefing to hear your daily challenge if you need detailed instructions go to ny times dot com slash voice. Be well and I'll see you soon to start this journey. Talk to The New York Times. Podcast your the less. I know the better of Music News and criticism I am your host John Carroll Monica Milling. That's what I'm saying space jams because we just played one for you that is borderline onepointoh Oggi version. Og Unavailable version. Except it's available right here on the podcast That's TAME IMPALA team is back with a fourth album. It is called the slow rush and I WANNA qualify this week's episode by saying up front. I don't get it. Want to be honest. But that's okay because just because I don't get it doesn't mean that people don't get it so we have two people who most assuredly get it to talk about impala and all things Kevin Parker jump rallies here pop critic of the New York Times again. That's right great denim jacket by the way. Thank you nice. It's a good color to cut. I appreciate you bringing that into the owner roll-neck. Jp doing big things today. Fashion Plato. Always Abo I didn't. I didn't catch the role when you walked in. Okay I'm glad to see that people are addressing up to. Gp's right my left. Joel makes us here. Hi How's it going great? Great Joe May senior editor. Pitchfork wrote the review of the slow rush. And that's what I'm saying like like I want to be honest like I read around. I don't know if it's at the discourse about team not level should be or people were excited about sugar. I don't know but I thought this review really made the case even to me as a person where I was like. Nah jowl know about all this so okay but John. Here's where your aesthetic are just erode block. Tell me about my stuff. This is like my dream. Your aesthetics are progressive. You like Christmas. You like digital clarity. You like fast articulated syllables. That's accurate and instead Kevin part comes with heavily. Layered blurry edged floaty things that just don't register leaning. Is that what you're saying? No no that then back that cheap impact. I'm so glad there's walls padded because you just knocked me right back into it. Oh my God you confess earlier podcast that your first review I review entire illustrious career Was PM don less true in the stuyvesant high school spectator and PM DOT com? That go cop that rare one thousand nine hundred ninety one hundred ninety two issue. I'm sure it's been. Pdf's I assume its offerings at the high school is on the wall advise school but anyway. Pm Don Beautiful floaty blurry edged drifting in space easy going. And now you've turned your back. No but you know a PM dawn had that Cam Barker. I do not believe has pm on had two things. One I believe the richness of PM. Dawn's melodies were much stronger and also much crisper number two PM. I believe had what felt like an explicit connection to grounded soul music of an earlier era. And I understand that. Kevin Parker is out here in the seventies and. Yeah Yeah I get that it just feels to me and I'm like NBA music. But it just feels a little spacey. But I don't WanNA dwell. I don't WanNa get you caught up in like what I think. That's that's fine. That's just one guy but two people here who really seem to get wise happening. Joe Do you WanNa talk us through this album? This album has worked on over a long period of time. Jp you sat with Kevin Barker by a year and a half years ago for this for this album profile. But we'll we'll get to that but can you talk a little bit through what he's been up to and why. This album sounds the way it does compared to previous tame impala records so in the time period between currents which was twenty. Yeah yeah it was five years? That album really changed. Where Tame Impala went they were able to headline festivals for many years like without even new music he started working with obviously like Mark Ronson Solo stuff and worked with Travis Scott and worked with worked with tons of people out there in the larger pop sphere to try to figure out if he could work outside of his sort of very low interest. Way of of making music. As I'm sure we'll hear more about from JP so in that time period. I forgot the most important thing he got covered by. Riano which like never happens and he just went from being somebody who I feel like was like a big indie band. This was like a big sort of top tier core. Pitchfork act say like definitely no real so you admit that such a Yes yes yes yes. Such a thing exists definitely a band. That's gotten multiple best new music like really a lot of indie rock rock listeners. I feel like who consider themselves? Kind of cool. Kind of Edgy. Kind of lonely. Yeah they were very much love this band but in the time period I think it helped occurrence was like so ambitious. You know it was really like. It was still psychedelic rock. But it was so much more in the vein of where he's at now which is bringing in all these different styles of music that are not necessarily rock base that are funkier and more soulful and touches of electronic music and stuff like that which obviously there is a real dance groove on some of these songs on the slow rush so he sort of blew out his sound with current and then had this five year period where his career just went totally nuts. And you know whenever artists have that they have that like coming back way way way more popular than they were the last time I think it does get in their head and it Kinda seemed like it got in his head a little bit. Yeah I'd like to listen to the reality version. What's called same old mistake? The original team. Paul Song is new person. Same mistakes that accurate. Maybe let's do it in reverse. Let's listen to the Rana version and then smudge into the Tame Impala version so we can hear the bones underneath what she did a can only feel like a brand so parker's back bigger and better than ever wearing flops in the New York Times. I just it's very directional choice on his part would scum skis Australia. And I don't know I've never heard of that continent or country or any of anything related to them. As far as I know it just stops at dance. Monkey molesting I know about the JP US spent first of all your piece on Tim. Bala came out a while ago and also your reporting for that piece was a while before that torture at artists right. We was also perfectly planned because I was going to go interview him in November while he was working in watch him make something with his November twenty. Twenty eight eighteen clarity back in the back in the Jurassic era. Yes and then he was going to put out the album because of course it was coming out in four months after and then he was. GonNa go headline Coachella sure perfect. You Know Nice music business. Timing area my creative choices around. My coachella plans accepted. The album wasn't ready for him. He wasn't done by the time he played coachella. Six days long did listen. I'm still listening to a set contract. I've been listening. It's last Wednesday salons in my mind anyway so anyway so it was like a very classic. I thought as someone who's interviewed a bunch of people like far in advance of their records like there is a sort of wake to squeeze the songs out. It's so hard like there. Is this kind of particular approach to creativity that he's I have to be locked in a room this by my stat. That seems to be in line with that. I think he played me ten tracks year and a half ago and what percent of those actually made all of them pretty much of the album. I mean okay. Some more finished another seat. He had is mental tracks for some. He had choruses and concepts for others. Borderline was pretty much done okay. But I don't know if the ten thousand extra layers of multi-track synthesizers are all in the version that he played me fair but it sounded pretty similar. The melody was there. The idea was there. I mean the other one who was pretty much done. It seems it might be time. And then a lot of the instrumental tracks for the others and he was talking about Stevie wonder he was talking about. Michael Jackson He was pretty clear on who he was finding in what was coming out. Do you guys hear that scope of ambition in the saw it coming into it as someone that maybe it's not totally sold on the VIBE. I maybe don't hear that complete reference frame ambition. But if you guys here and it could be either if you hear in. What ways do you think it's materialized in the songs I mean? I don't think I hear like Quincy level. Mj masterpiece type of thing going on. But and I don't think it's like near the level of shine or just like perfect pop hit Ted. I think of when I think of Mj. But like I don't know I I get a little bit of the Stevie five I in terms of like energy scope like ambition playing really caring about the technical level of playing and how it sounds and stuff like that. I don't know that I mean I think stevie wonder is like a genius of Economic Kevin Barker is a genus of music. I I get his music and I enjoy it a lot but yeah I don't think he's on that quite that level put and then I'll second. We all came. That's why Delphi side. But if you listen to lost in yesterday that's got a big crunchy. Stevie wonder synthesizer feel and let us remember that. Stevie wonder sits in a room alone and makes music to There's some kind of connection of the lone person and hearing all these interstitial things. We you know we went down in the basement and he sort of made a piece of music while I watched and it was crazy fascinating to watch. Here's a baseline here's cords on top of it. Wait a minute. I don't like those cordless to a completely different chord sequence that fits perfectly on top of the same baseline. Let's do a melody that takes a weird turn that you don't expect. And he's doing this in like ten seconds swerves between ideas It's just like pouring out of him and why it pours out of him. Yeah when it pours used that that bid on the album but he could do it and it was. He was in the flow as they say in Silicon Valley. He was enjoying himself. Anybody wants a manager stock portfolio for me please. I don't have any clue week for that. Can We talk about sort of Tame Impala in like the larger framework of both pop and rock music because he does feel that he's doing something that I don't WanNa say is completely original in the history of Pop music but in terms of what is happening now in those spaces? He seems to be occupying kind of a singular is that fair to say and if so why is it kind of gotten so much traction I think he is occupying a really interesting space. I'm always really interested in people that come out of Indie rock and are trying to both be still be like a musical innovator and make the album they wanna make but also participate in the deeply commercial parts of pop music and so I think he's interesting because he is not sacrificed what he's doing with his own music and tried to have a whole mainstream pop career with Tame Impala but he is fully. You know this stuff with Ronson and the people that Mark. Ronson has gotten him involved with just the level of of stuff he's doing. I mean when you're on yea or you're on Astra world or whatever like that is really a big deal is very loved by rappers he really is and I feel like it's like I kind of said this view but I feel like it's in part because he can write these guitar parts and things that like sound like samples but it is someone new always making Matt Gaetz obviously a lot. Easier to clear they can kind of customize a you know and I I get that I think it was travis that said like I need that guitar tone or whatever like when he wanted to work with him and I think he is occupying an interesting space and bringing some of his sound to music. That maybe wouldn't quite have that slant on it and your sample idea in the review was was great because it's it's why rappers like him they can dig into crates by opening up. Kevin Parker said. Do you think for on the level of texture like the the sonic quality of what he does. If that arrived from outer space not connected to Damon baller Kevin Barker. Where would you slot it? I feel like we accept the existence of Tame Impala now but I feel like you have another band just a rise took resentful just arrived out of nowhere. I think people wouldn't quite know what to do with it. Like tiny flavors of new age psychedelic all. These things are woefully out of fashion right now except new age. Maybe like two three years ago but anyway point too you know you got the point. Yeah so like where would we put this sound and I still feel like I wanna know like what is it about him? That's so triggering. Well I the thing he said in your piece. Jp that was like. I'm looking for something. I'm looking forward to people trying to parse like where what decade the stuff from and I think it really varies from song to song or even pieces of the song was part of a longer position. Because I I used the. Don't use this word word. I said talked about being psychedelic but the thing about psychedelics is not that I've had my experience with. Hallucinogens is limited to like one hand maybe But the thing is it's about this orientation. The ground falls away. You don't know what's up and down and the first album. Inter Speaker is psychedelic rock from the sixties but then the next albums are about temporal disorientation. It's like what era is this from. this goes with this. I can use seventy supertramp piano and I can use house. Music beats and I can use psychedelic buzzed guitar. It's where am I historically? Where am I? Stylistically it's outside the box which links him to hip hop which doesn't really care what you're a as long as leash. Listen to something from maybe from loaner ISM. That's my favorite of the team. In Bala records is their song that you guys particularly think is representative of this. I just love elephant all right elephant from liberalism in the sense. That like Tame Impala could be a legible ban. This is a very la- legible version of Damon. Bala it's more brock straightforward version. Yeah what happened between Loner is kind of in the subsequent and the next two records kinda before we get this like. Where did it all start? Kinda like threat out of the ends get frayed. I feel like it was really current. I feel like currents was such a big turning point in terms of like setting up the kind of multi genre multi decade span like just wide span of influence kind of like longer songs or more ambitious multi part songs the structures fault just more turned up to me. That's really like the album. That kind of changed everything. I don't know when he says yes I'm changing. Yeah I mean he literally says it right there. Yeah when did he stop touring with pond? When did he like get out of the Indie rock band? Van Thing okay. Am I mistaken? Here they still tour with him. Don't they like he can't do that all alone? No was he a member of them right. Yeah like idea being as being in a band versus being him honestly. I feel like it has gotten really more distinct this time around where the PR is really saying. Like he is one guy he is one guy like I feel like that started to take shape with currents when it got more popular and there was more of a stake to be like. He's the dude. You know what I mean so I I feel like it was around then. Maybe like five years ago six years ago. That was more of the process of saying like. We're not really band. Pond is a band that he was he played drums. Yeah it's like the other people that tour with him. There is still a guitar driven psychedelic band. They could cover elephant. Oh that's kind of. That's kind of a shot. Well you shot. It's true. It is true it's totally the same still. These same kind of sound is old team and Paul. I was listening to it yesterday and I was like. This guy doesn't sing is good. It's not as interesting like it's it's it's good if you like that kind of music but I don't know no shots to pond except kind of some shots John Bond but actually the other reason I was out in La at that particular time period while the wildfires were still smoldering right was that pond was playing in La so I went with with Parker to see pond to play playing with them. He was not playing with him now. He was like in the balcony and then they came to an afterwards. And saying you know what did you think rate reducer. But he was like an. You aren't no no no not at all not have we met before no knows more like you know sitting around backstage drinking beer remembering when they all used to live in the same squalid flat as in lost in yesterday where they remember how Great Squalor Anyway. But those were happy times for them. Squalor sucks just if anybody out there is wondering myself squalor sucks. I won't Mount Position Pro Squalor Dog. Are you going to be a strong no for me? They were laughing at their bachelor pad antics of the earlier era. That part was on the cutting room floor. That's such a delicious little detail. But he was listening and like trying to be but he was pretty much They were old old mates. Jp What did you think? They're fun onstage pond. They've been playing together a long time. They really animated. You know the songs are not as good as the but but but it's better. She did not regret that night out just to even go with Parker. That's such a cool. Yeah I'm going to tell one more anecdote a house he was renting in the Hollywood hills. Of course had a pool and on Ebay a few days earlier. He'd apparently noticed. Something called a hydrophone which is of course as you know live googling. It's a microphone that picks up underwater. Oh and he had also found a pool speaker. So that when you're swimming in your pool you can hear the tunes of your choice. Okay and so he. These arrived the day. We were interviewing. I think he was hoping to get something. Even more floaty I was gonNA say like it's almost like he would have had to invent these things if they didn't already exist so he played some of the tracks through the pool. Speaker and tragedy coordinate hydrophone but they to hi for him this is this is. This is like on this. Is that on this story? This story this story. This is like a horror story if they covered tame impala this is like so parody like. I can't believe this actually have so I'm going to run a correction on your story just to a pen. This five hundred word story. Editing choices this incredible and was excluded from the Vinyl version. That's the reason I signed up for this podcast. That's okay all right. Well you know exclusive new beats from John Burroughs. That's literally couldn't be more perfect. Get in the pool that you got in the show. We weren't listening in the pool. He was he was recording. It through the hydrophone he should have gotten in the pool sung into the hydrofoil altered. It back through the site. Do not know whether in another when I wasn't there if he didn't like costs a rock into the pool to get RIPA. Lisa that made it be on the for all I know. Yeah his body. I feel like would have made too much noise this this this. I love literally a bird. Jp JP. This is yeah. We're going to talk to care about this back story. Somehow you can have two hundred words by next. Anl story like a footnote from something. We ran nine months ago. I figured you would have. What next podcast the hydrogen vader? I sort of assume your house is just loaded with hidden microphones. I feel like they're in your kids rooms. I feel like it's in the kitchen. That's what got them to capture after the sizzle when they cook. I feel like your house is the clear view of microphones. I feel like all sounds are gathered into into like you're sucking them all up. Okay Fair enough. So don't go to Patriots House if you value your privacy at all as a black officially walls fun here. Yes it's true. We live for editing. Can we talk about Kevin Parker's extracurricular life sure? Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's been five years since the last album and me being a robust investigative journalists that I am fought lake on. I know he's done a lot of things and I wish I could. I wish I could learn all the things that can parker is done. And so I went on Google Dot Com and I started googling. Around how convenient that PITCHFORK DOT com? Did you sign this article but I probably did poorly edited. It called everything Kevin but it's literally so seo friendly yeah everything. Kevin Parker has done since Tame Impala last album twenty fifteen's currents and there's literally just dared dates got some instagram posts videos. She's worked with Ronson HE'S WORKED WITH TRAVIS. He's play these festivals. He's doing a bunch of things and then if you kind of move into the last two three months there's this billboard story where he's like. I'm trying to be Max Martin. Anybody anybody buying this anybody feeling that this is a viable given his sonic Palette. Wow super quiet for quiet. I mean just say the criticism for me is in part that I think that this is going to sound like a shot at billboard but I think that the way. They framed that quote. They like put it on the cover it really made. It seem like he was like I'm. This is my big goal. That was the whole thing and when I feel like when you read it in the story it's much more contextual of like. I am to be a songwriter producer for higher and be more confident in doing. Yes okay so can I All read the full cartoon. Yes because that's fair now. He wants to take his biggest chance yet. Making the leap from studio is in demand collaborator. At Center. The Music World Court. I hope to one day be able to do what I do on my own in a room. Full of people says Parker. Cc Me also like that continue. That's the ultimate goal for me working with Kobe. Oh and Gaga. He realized a lifelong goal writing pop songs for Pop stars quote. It's the Yin to the Yang of Psychedelic rock right here. Catchy sugary pop song. That's like three minutes long. He explains I want to be a Max Martin. Do we like these songs that he's written for other people. There are all sorts of wedged into the other people's aesthetic. Do we feel like wires? The Cabin Parker is there like an emblematic. One that if we played y'all be like Oh that definitely sounds like Kevin Parker verses do a Lipa League your whatever is there like a good emblematic one. The one that I think and I feel like it's a little bit of a cheat code to say this because obviously Mark Ronson on uptown. Special was very much like taking people and letting them and also on his album share like letting people do their thing. But he's on that Song Daffodils and leaving those felice and maybe a couple others from John Special and I just think there are more. I mean. He's singing to. I guess it's not really a fair example because he's actually on it he's producing NC or you're just saying off he's done these other collaborations. There's this Ronson record which we all agree. Sounds like a team ball record. So we want to get into this lady Gaga Record. I get into Lady Gaga Record. Yeah okay so it's called perfect illusion on Joann. I don't remember it is track six. It actually made it. Oh Wow don goes to show you how much of Kaga. So then let's perfect illusion. Which is track six Joey not a great lady. Gaga record but perfect illusion and see if you can hear the Kevin Barness in it versus taken in Middle Zone you alone back thing game. Strong way too see highlight can fit in. Maybe just that's what it means here. Kevin Parker Nessim Eric. Sure the did the drum sound Qatar sound. But it's all you hear the lady Gaga to jumped out lady Gaga s good. Here's the thing three four years between albums. I think he's a Solo Act. He's he's doesn't have any ban guy saying let's make the one like the last one only better. I really think he's trying to figure out who he is with each album and this album. He was in a weird limbo for a long time. So the Max Martin. Experiments the rapper collaborations. It's like let's try something. Let's see if we can shake loose. Some ideas and I mean to me. A lot of this album is about getting lost in making this album. Yeah it's it's very re cursive. It's very Meta. Yeah in a way like well. Yeah well I mean I think of a song like on-track which is one of my favorites on the record and he's like you could be talking about a life plan. He could be talking about anything but I have noticed a couple other critics were like this is definitely kind of seems like it's about the record and and I was like that's probably fair you know aren't let's listen to you getting over the Hump on on track and it's actually placed midway through the records. I think I'm getting over the Hump. But Law skewed He's always kinda slumping into his confidence. He's always kind of going back and forth between like. Can I do this and I'm doing this? I mean you sort of asked. I don't know if you want to go here but you sort of asked a little bit ago more broadly and then we kind of we're talking about a lot of stuff at once. But like what is his appeal. What exactly is his thing and for me like it is so much about part of that insecurity but he does have that back and forth or he has that like the attitude he brings to his almost self consciousness or talking himself into it. Or just little mantras. I think the the music has a ton of little repetitive. Easy to Digest. Sort of like. You're talking about New Age. Just sort of self help language almost but insincere way like a person who is feeling this in going through this and trying to adapt to being a loner and truly singing a lot of songs about wanting to be alone as you talked about in your piece people like. I think the psyching up process is so apparent in the music. Young it's just absolutely there. Jp in your piece. There is a part picking up. What Joe just talking about. There's this part where he's talking about. You know his early performances or so internal and you know he's like his head is down and he's can't look at anybody but then he realized there's some kind of almost like I don't WanNa say. Is it healing value? You or some kind of sharing energy that he gets from having something. That's more open hearted performance. That's coming from him. I think you said something the fact of like no one's GonNa perform if I don't or something like that. This is the Indie rock self conscious performed to a large audience. Indie Rock Mike. Coke must sustain me. Mentality gives way to wait a minute. I'm headlining Coachella. You know and and I mean who wants to watch. Somebody stare at their shoes. Unless it's a my bloody Valentine concert. I think if you're going out to perform you should perform I you know. I don't think he has to learn dance steps from bts you'd stand up there and we all could probably stand to learn well steps from bts something practical lessons what is the appeal of. Tame IMPALA IS LONELY. People listening to music and headphones. Yeah and really digging the fact that. Oh that guitar tone changes from Flange to fuzz and. Oh Wow there's another synthesizer line here. I didn't hear that the first time and these are really lonely. Music nerds and it turns out. There's a lot of us and know and they're all standing there at coachella singing along with Kevin Parker singing about being all alone and not talking to each other go far. There's some interaction. Maybe they're taking drugs together you know they're just making it makes it easier. The interactions so but is that motive listening that that actual motive listening. That feels like a ninety s. Motive listening or seventies motive. Listening or late sixties wasn't yeah bet more accurate. Is that a modern motiveless. I feel I get is and I feel like the the deep headphone nerd that wants to try to. Id like clock where he's pulling what air this is from her. That is from like the person that wants to see how it fits together like you were talking about j. p. But like. I think there's also like I don't know. I think there's a whole other segment of Tame Impala listeners that are like way more. It's more ambient on spotify for example because some of my coworkers seem to think that team and Paula is like borderline like stream bait like sort of things they get put onto playlist for like doing things won't turn off. Yeah be part of songs get picked up to be on like Youtube playlists for studying or like spotify playlist for like working out or like walking songs and driving music and so many tasks for doing stuff and it's sort of like there's sort of two different ends of at one listener. The listener that Kevin Parker. I think wants to cultivate himself. Is The headphone listener. The solitary listener the music nerd. Who knows history and wants to be turned onto this stuff? And it's like a record store EEK and then I think the other part of it because they are very popular. Is this more sort of like doing stuff. Play listing music part because of the music is like the songs are longer the. They're very like they change a lot. I generally A. B. It's like even a Ballad has movement and Tame Impala Land. You know I don't know it's really bizarre to me that there are kind of these sort of like what seemingly Divergent ways. Yeah I think of them as very different listenership and I haven't quite sorted out how much the the songs for studying to crowd is adding to their popularity versus the people that are really committed. I'm sort of like the jury's out for me yeah that's interesting so I don't think I could. I mean besides not enjoying this music. It's just the way it functions on a textual level and the fact that it changes so much my brain would just be like to allies. I would be constantly try. I would just be so sensitive. You'll be like if someone was like adjusting chair. Every two seconds. Just listen for a living. Yeah if you keep it. Low in the background it's smooth it's undulating it's rippling along. It's it's it's hydroponic hydrophones. Where I thought they would pay attention to music and not pay attention to music dynamic that you brought up is is a larger thing in streaming land. Yeah for sure. I don't think he's deliberately straddling it. I think he's sort accidentally straddling it. Like what percent of his popularity is is derived from incidental listening as opposed to active listening. Well because comments are of course. A complete reflection of eighty five percent of his listeners are active listener since I joined the PODCAST facebook. It's it's very fun. And there's a Lotta interesting engage in conversations a lot of comments. I see you making comments. You know who you you making comments but I think the active listeners are commenting but sometimes you get the Oh. It's so pretty. I could just float away on the all day. So they're definitely there that's just me. I'm just leaving that comment to undermine the active tame impala listeners. I'm just trying to offer an alternate already undermined there. All alone with their headphones. Help the Narrative Kevin Partner wants to build up of his fans. I feel not like kids. Smoking drugs in a field like accidentally listening to his. Well that sounds. I think you put it like that. That actually sounds way more fun than my experience. Listening to a lot of this sounds about the making of the album. There are so many songs than mention time. The first one is one more year when dust lost in yesterday. It might be time one more hour. I mean I think he was kind of thinking of you know they're waiting for this album and it's reflected in the songs but and I also think he got what I call rapture of the studio. You're like down there so often. You can overdubbed too many things on pro tools and just keep going and going and going and I think he's such a music lover that he wanted to try everything. The November nineteen listening party. Where was supposed to be done? It was at night moves in Brooklyn. Which has this incredible sound system and standing next to him and you could see his brow throwing and it's like he was hearing something let he didn't like any went back and remixed it again. But but it was like Steve such perfectionism in the way the parts fit together so I think he got lost in making this album and lingered over at a long long time. It might be time which is near the end of the album. It's one of the closer to a banger songs on the album is is about. All of his friends are growing up getting married being adults and he's still like being a rock and roll musician and it's like part of it is what the hell am I doing. And it's like what the hell else could I do. Maybe if his Sandra shorter he'd be able to get onto the next phase of his life more Russia later. What do you think? Oh padded walls. I'm hitting the bad wall guys. Just just a suggestion. This is the one where he's basically like I'm washed but I'm okay with that right. Go OUT ON TIME. Might be to go out on it. Yes time to conclude off. That is our show. Thank you Joe me thank you John. Parrella MISMA- every podcast ever ny times dot com slash podcast. I mentioned the facebook. Google facebook group is Yanking Sign up for it wherever one size up for facebook groups. I'm not really sure about all that and I don't. I'm control of it but it's jumping get involved in. It subscribed podcasts anywhere. You get your audio content. Iheart radio stitcher apple podcasts etcetera and email us at podcast dot com. 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Kevin Parker (Tame Impala) with Dan Snaith (Caribou)

Talkhouse Podcast

1:00:52 hr | 6 months ago

Kevin Parker (Tame Impala) with Dan Snaith (Caribou)

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Now, for today's seriously incredible show Tame Impala Kevin Parker with Dan Snaith Aka Caribou. These brilliant artists are big fans of each other's work and while they'd met before, they'd never had a chance to really get. That's where the talk house podcasts comes in to help me intro this week show the man myth, the legend, the wearer of too many hats to talk how to count in only one show the owner of not one not two but three tame t shirts Keenan, Kush welcome back to the show man hey, Elliott has it going good good great to hear your voice again it's been too long since you graced us with your presence. This is one that we needed you on. You are talk houses Resident Tame expert and Psych Rock Lover I gotTA. Say Hell Yeah. Man. I think going back. You know when I first joined talk us we had this big meeting where we were really just brainstorming the biggest names. We could get there the dream ask being on the show and probably someone at the very top of the list would be tame Impala Kevin, Parker and you know we've come. So close to this I was out couple of years ago at desert days and we almost got this talk between stew from King Gizzard in the Lizard Wizard and Kevin Parker would have been the Australian psychedelic rock consortium a summit a summit but it was not to be schedules didn't align and it slipped away. Now here we are finally we have captured the white whale. Captured. The White Wail, Keenan you and I woke up very early for this conversation Dan was recording at his home in the UK cabin was in an undisclosed location in Australia across in a lot of time zones that day were. Now Kevin had only an old analogue four track recorder. So instead of recording to cassette and having him mail it halfway around the world utilized that Black Mirror we've all got in our pockets to record his side of this show. Dan Has a beautiful home studio and was able to record his side there. Thanks, Jen. Now, for the few of you out there who don't know Keenan, please drop some knowledge about Kevin. So Kevin Parker Aka Tame Impala he cut a masqueraded as a ban for the first few albums and finally came out as the true solo mastermind that he is almost every instrument every vocal hearing on these past four. Is played or sung by Kevin himself. Yeah. It's amazing that he does it all himself and he's been a sought after collaborator. He's worked with huge stars like Lady Gaga the weekend and Travis Scott, and after those mini mini collaborations, we finally have a new Tame Impala record the first in five years titled The slow. Rush, which came out back in February I don't know if you can remember back in February that was February was that was that like twenty years back felt like? The slow rush is an absolutely gorgeous record and from that LP let's check out the track breathe deeper. One of my favorites from the record, the man is truly brilliant as is his counterpart in this talk Kevin is a huge Fan of Dan Snaith Aka. Caribou. Another artist, who does it all himself in the studio and only brings out the live band for shows. Dan is an experimental pop producer who has wowed fans for two decades with his incredible genre hopping sounds. He's INC psych, House hip-hop disco, and more. If you can think of a sound, there's a good chance he's sampled. It twisted it played. With it put it in a blender made a poor over coffee out of it and incorporated it into a joint suddenly caribous fifth full length record and those Caribou fans have had a similar way as tame. Impala fans was released February Twenty Eighth Twenty Twenty on merge records and city slang to incredible labels. parenthetically came I wanNA play attract for our listeners. That's one of my favorites of the year. It's been remixed by four Tet Morgan geist but I wanNA play the album version of never come back. fucking love Caribou I also love this conversation Keenan they get into a lot here. One of the things that really jumped out as you and I were on this call some wonderful gear talk. Oh. Yes. One thing that I just love to hear is that these guys are not super elitist about gear. You know a favorite piece of student gears, kind of like your favorite football team and I think. I love and I also love that we get a little peek into how we get that sweet sweet tame impala sound. We also hear about their entirely different creative processes. They also talk about their journey of confidence an artist. Yeah. Different thinking. On this one, they get into the live concert experience and how it's been both awesome and tough to scale up their shows. Yet both artists kind of reflect on the joy in spontaneity of playing these small scrappy shows and get to hear about the very first time Kevin Heard Caribou and freaked out. and Vice Versa to roll the tape man let's do it. How you doing Kevin I'm good man I'm really good I'm down south at the moment I just started rocking file I'm getting better making vases. There's a little fireplace. Yeah. Oh, you have got to remember it's your evening way you're the place you're in is very dark by the looks of things you there to record this they're. Just just Tina Hang Out I'm just here. On my own kind of like to just spice out sometimes and Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So you're in the UK era. Yeah. I'm in this room that I'm sitting in my little basement studio. Awesome. Where record everything? Yeah. Is that a is that a mini moog behind you? Yeah. You can see that there's many move is at an original or reissue no, it's a reissue. It's I mean. Great to me. Yeah. The thing that I just bought a couple of days ago is They're making an arp twenty, six hundred but I bought an original one. I'd be playing Sam floating points one I I used it on the my last record, a bunch and I was just like this thing is out of this world while like it's it's such a beautiful thing. So that's that's that's the big one right. Yeah Yeah. Yeah you need like a university degree to be able to operate it. I. Don't know about the hat. Really. Yeah. You can use it without it being modular in any way. There's there's a video I think of Ozzy Osbourne trying to use it just say. Fuck. You so pissed off it. It's pretty user friendly. Actually, it feels like an instrument rather than something that's you have to like assembled. Is playable like that. So do you believe that there could be a digital version of that that would trick you into the heat's the real one? Well, you know I had this for ages because a lot of my well, my friends run the whole gamut of like buying every vintage synth imaginable. Like forget it. I'm just caring in. Fort for example, just makes music with nothing basically you know some samples and a laptop and that's it. Some albums like swim the elms like music I was making ten years ago I use kind of software version of an ARP twenty, six hundred and I was really happy with the way that it sounded. But then last year when I was working on suddenly the most recent album. Sam's like I'll give you the keys, my studio. You can just come and mess around with whatever you want when I got in there and I played some of his stuff I was like, oh That's why you just turn it on and it sounds unbelievable. Exactly. How about you? Are you? Do you have like the perfect? Compressor the in the you know the perfect channel Strip for everything. It's so funny like I've I've moved between being kind of sacred about objects a real things like. This real fucking DX one, six five. That's the juice like like that's it and going like what does it fucking matter? when you've got a real one digital one somewhere in the mix. If you had to of a song, I need some switched out some piece of equipment in there. Yeah. For a different version of it like anyone know or care like the coupon spinning totally. My philosophy is like it's just how much fun you have making it like a half you enjoy. Patching in that compressor. From Nine, seventy nine and you watch the needles, go by the you know what the viewed. You see it lot up. You're not. Yeah. If that's what gets through to the end to the finish line of making if that's what is fun about the process then that's all that matters you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah and also if you're using a piece of software for me anyway I'm not using it to like exactly try and replicate something. That would be no fun like trying to force it into into being this thing that it's not but it's just about kind of approaching the things that you've got. In a way that's fun and creative and not spend like I. Don't WanNa get sucked into those like youtube videos that are comparing this and that. I think the you know the square wave on this is. Just like forget it. I bet we also had a similar path in that I started out making like I made my first three albums without knowing that there was a thing called the compressor technical things. I had no idea. So just making stuff in whatever way I could and trying to get it to buy decent. First reality is Andorra one of those. What number? No, that's the that's the fourth one. Yeah. But I still barely knew what a compressor was. Because we were doing stuff by ourselves I, kind of assume in a fairly similar DIY way without being in a big expensive studio yet, we just figured out ways of doing things that didn't require those like classic pieces of Equipment Anyway title it's funny. My my favorite story with all that is like the first comparable. Literally just went on Ebay and topped in vintage compressor. Drum, sending vintage compress up. Abe searched for vintage compress the only one that was available in Australia was one, six five and has my favorite compressor now juice because it was that was the one that was closest to get her and now, and now I swear. But now it's like my favorite compress what if it was difficult press you know I feel like it's like football teams. Like what are you go for that team because he's dotted going for, and now now you die by them. Totally. Yeah. Totally. It's funny. Do you feel like Because I think you have such a wonderful sound characteristic sound in your production that people would say like. Kevin Parker he's like a Master of studio technique and this could same question. If we want to move away from Techie, kind of stuff could apply to like song writing or whatever playing the instruments that you play your obviously super proficient as well. But my impression, I don't know what people think when they feel my record listen to my records but I always My feeling is like I just barely know enough about what I'm doing to like get this record done and when I start a new one, I'm like, why didn't they learn anything like the last six or seven albums I made them just like sitting there. There's I can get started but I'm like how the fuck did I do that last night I'm like, what? What, why don't I know how to do this yet How do you feel on that spectrum of well? The. First thing I'll say about that is like I, think that's a good sign because it's like. I think that's a sign that you don't rely on sort of techniques that you've sort of repeatedly learnt. That you're not going about it. The same method each time because if you did that, you'd get better than you and you'd be you'd know that you proficient. Like the fact that we kind of just feel it out. Each time is assigned the we do it organically. You know that's that's the way because like I one hundred percent feel exactly the same way I feel like every time I wrote an Alabama have to relearn how to write a song yeah. How do you? How do you mix drum kit? With that kind of thing, I kind of feel like I'm the worst in the world at it until I'm suddenly the best in the world and it's such a mutual way of looking at it. Everything running except drum sounds I'm like this is trash. This is awful. This is embarrassingly sheet, and then suddenly like Oh it's brilliant. Do you know what I mean like suddenly Oh you know this is like I stand by this I could share this with the world and feel good about I think like a huge part of why it still as exciting and fun and everything for me as right at the beginning was that like moment is still there when things just like click and I'm like fuck guests this is this is really working yeah I feel like that's what we'd do a full. Yeah told. Jason the jagged. Even when that happens sometimes I'm like, did I do that or did it just like happened by coincidence? I have moments when I'm like did that just kind of fortuitously fall into place and I guess that's the kind of confidence thing. Now looking back over the years I'm like I've made stuff that I'm happy with enough time. Then there's something in there that even if I'm not consciously aware of how to put those pieces together doing something right and I am and that helps me just like trust the process of just make you sick make music and that moment will happen again you know Yeah Oh. So many questions that I have just their bottle necking into one. In the whole question of confidence. As an artist do you think that US slowly becoming more confident like each time you released something that you can confidently. Say It's good. Only ask that because I feel like I am. Slowly growing confidence. All comes crashing down sometimes, you just want to delay everything you've ever done but I feel I first released an album had no confidence in it. You know I wasn't able to enjoy it and and I think like having my confidence in it and then sort of like retrospectively looking back I'm going like, Oh, it was pretty good like realizing that that's a cycle in each time you do it. So that's probably what's going to happen again like when are released an album usually that's like the lowest point of my opinion of that. That's funny. And it goes up from there. Okay. Like it's funny because you. emailed. Me a little while ago saying like, Hey, let's like swap albums. And that was just finished the Slo. I just finished recording recording it, and that's usually when I can't listen to. Any music that I hear that's amazing. Just sounds incredible. It's Depressingly good. And you will hey, let's say you my album I remember saying please. Yeah, I know I can't I can't. I can't deal with new Caribou album and now. Yeah I could recognize, but it's funny. It's happens at a different time for me because and this is super fascinating to me. Again, I'm the questions are bottle-necking again. Feel like generally I'm kind of growing in confidence and the other thing that's super important to me is having the same people my whole twenty years of you make music, my wife and Karen Hampton for both of those people will take me down I trust both their tastes in music and they will tell me with like the unvarnished truth. They'll just be like, yeah, this garbage move on you know and that's so so important. But the other thing that's important for me and you know we're both working by ourselves, right? That's peculiar or. About. US I. Suppose. Have having common yet. Definitely the thing is that in this blows, my mind about you is that I need to let it sit like by the time I'm sending you that album the that I've quote unquote just finished Scher may have just finished the like final tweaks in the mixing a mastering and stuff but the songs and all the parts of it have been done for months I'm sitting on I'm sitting on it and that's how I get a sense of that I'm happy with it whereas I've heard in interviews you talk about like you know I'm finishing a song tonight and then it's going off to mastering tomorrow and you know like you're finishing significant parts of a song At that late stage that would scare the shit out of me because. You know what? We've all had that moment where you listen back to something a week later and you're like, Oh, no, I was excited about the habit. It's not what I thought. It was whatever. So having that deadline between like putting parts together and it being like stamped signed sealed finished would really scare me because I think past the passage of time is something that I rely on. So yeah. Yeah. Do that would you do? It's it's traumatic. Yeah is traumatic and every time I do it I swear to myself and I'm not going to let myself do it again because it's all because I'm a progress tonight a right and we'll be on fault because I will say like. I want to release the song at this point in time like a month from now, and so the record level of set the date and they'll so you're to have a done by then definitely. Right. and. So I backing myself and Doco going every time where I have to come up against but usually it's kind of just like a song or when it comes to the album and I haven't finished I haven't finished it like when it comes to what really matters I never do it like that, right? But some of the pressure helps you think because I just don't let those deadlines be set. You know I won't let a release date or whatever be set or mastering date even be set until I'm confident that yeah. Okay. The only things that need to be done on this or kind of cosmetic little. Fixes or whatever that I know? I. Can do I'd never do it. Yeah. A hole in the record with where a song should be kind of or something like that. Yeah, that's that's that's really admirable and and I think just scared I don't know if it's admirable. Yeah. Well. self-disciplined then. Maybe I guess like sometimes I get a bit wrapped up in the excitement of releasing a song aw, the whole world of releasing music, for example. Like before a festival or something. I, it lost in that that world. But it's it provides excitement and you know like pressure can be good. I think sometimes I don't know maybe. Yeah, I think it's essential. Yeah. I'd probably never finish anything if I did right. It's funny because like by the time I'm finished a song for me like the best moment of making music is kind of like that kind of that Aha moment that we touched on before that moment of like I've got. which happens may kind of like a long time before finish the song. and. So finishing the song is really just to share with the world. Finishing it is because it's that. Process. Probably wouldn't finish music if I didn't after lays. Yeah. Right. My songs would be perpetually in the state of unfinished. Yeah because like. Making those decisions can be tough. You know do you rely on other people's feedback at all? Because if you're in a band with people, there are other people in the room whether you like it or not telling you that they like that. Bass. Part or whatever We're not there's nobody else in the room most of the time. So do you rely on people's opinions or do you just laser focus trust your own judgment on things I try to trust my judgment but I mean I hate what my brain does when I play Tobepal I'm are sensitive to their every facial movement you design thing happen to you like just. Like doesn't it? It's weird. It's like don't like a different song. Yeah. Isn't that funny which is I. Think is really helpful, right? I. Mean it kind of to get outside of our being. So inside the the bubble of our own reactive but it is terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. And I also think like you'll anxious of playing it to that person like in. Here, differently, that can be sort of. A bad distortion of reality. Sometimes, you'll think the vocals of loud of. or or you know you'll like the Vogel is dry or something you you become more self conscious it's a it's a strange based. Yeah. Playing playing music. Definitely, do you do you like the songs when you've played them live one hundred times I mean or there's some of them you like lasts every as time goes on or how does that work or is it totally different thing? You know does it not even? Relate to it's Kinda separate. It usually sounds better because when I'm singing love, you know it's like it's a it's a raucous environment. Of drinks you know what I mean like it's kind of like the live thing is rough your pitch perfect saying I mean th as it's another question that I wanted to ask you for me. Singing is the thing that I should not be doing. You know I'm not a singer and I am embarrassingly bad at saying I went as long as I could with playing live shows where we had the vocals on a backing track and kind of a video. Flaming Lips Audi rumor. They did that kind of thing anything to get me out of actually having this thing live and then at some point, it was obvious. Okay. Now, I'm going to have to start and we did a whole tour when I just sung one song live and then I gradually got to the point where I'm seeing all the songs live obviously yeah. But sometimes I think okay this is like a really severe limitation on what I can do musically you know put me in front of a piano and I'M Totally happy and comfortable because that's my instrument but singing is something I have to work at and sometimes I. Think he maybe that's good. You know maybe it means the melody has to really work or click because just listening to my voice saying isn't enough you know there's gotta be something engaging about the malady or the how it fits with the harmony or something like that. But I think that's one of the interesting things about Caribou like you'll vocal melodies and the why you sing them at the melodies melodic in this So. Pretty and some of those almost pop R&B, Melodies. And it's the kind of melody where you could imagine someone else singing it someone with. I've some crazy iron voice, but it's interesting that it's your voice seen like that's that's that's what gives us. Interesting Yeah I've kind of got to a point where I understand that over the being able to be like, okay. That is what's different. Thank you for saying that. Can I ask you a a little side bonus question? Yeah. When you imagine vocal melodies, do you imagine someone else singing it like does it sound like it's your voice or do imagine it sounding completely different and then like when you sing it's your voice. We question but there have been times when I've thought about other people, sing it or thought. would be a good melody. Am I going to be able to pull it off with definitely the more on gun through it and the more I've got to know my voice in the limitations of it. The more I'm like it isn't just about writing a malady. It's about writing a melody that I can make work and we'll work with my voice. So now it's it is very much more about i. kind of know what this melody is going to sound like when I sing it and is that going to work or not, and if not, I've got to find another melody that is it's a fitting melody with delimitations of my voice or that kind of. Particular my voice. Well, it's working. It's. Back so and I was GONNA say like in your music, all the elements, there's kind of no chink in the army. Every seems really proficient at all of the songwriting producing playing all the instruments is remarkable. It's amazing. But do you feel that there are limitations that you're pushing up against in your own? Abilities help you or hinder you or whatever. Well, it's funny because I kind of feel the opposite about my individual elements like I feel like none of them. Amazing on their own but all put together. They make something unique gates like it's like a house of cards. Like, I, feel like, just me singing on someone song wouldn't be very special. Just me playing guitar in a band wouldn't be very bit to some reason. It all comes to get maybe it's something to do with the fact that it's the same person doing it. I believe in of like the strength of a singular vision. In the way, the bands that work. Well, they're all kind of in the same heads but of connected and when you hear someone's music with I've applied that vision to every todd of it. Then it has this kind of like cohesiveness that is locked like stevie wonder. Well. That's a really good description of music I think it has totally that as that character but then if I think about the individual elements like here a little bass riff or something like that. So Kevin. Wow thanks but I think you're right that the fact that each part of the song has your characteristic in it makes it a really coherent thing that maybe that's the same for people were Solo. That's something. So then a difference between us is that you've done a bunch of collaboration in the last few years and I never do any collaboration I basically work by myself and and you have just song people songs or help them right song or played an instrumental song the up. How does that work? You know when someone asked me to sing on this song? I feel like saying La. Do I say, but I'm not like Oh. Yeah Yeah. You don't want to work on this song the. Never. Never. WanNa do a vocal feature usually just sort of consult with myself that they want the time impala vocals rather than they want me. They want kind of like that don't want it to sound great. They just wanted to sound like technical. You know like that's What I subconsciously think. But yeah, I mean the whole thing collaborating for me is that it's sort of like I'm trying to find. Things that can do that. Aren't what I usually do. You know like someone from a completely different genre that I considered like learn and try something new? You know like the more different it is from what I usually do better. Usually it's kind of like a fantasy land. Where I'm not this one artist that has a sound and has a process it's like what if all the variables are changed but then obviously, it's the day it's always it's the real world. So. Does it, and does it make it more fun and last pressurized in easier to do in some way you know like, do you end up agonizing over it like you would tame impala record exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, it's something that you'll contributing to. Care about I want to be good. You know like the fantasy is that there's no pressure it can be anything it doesn't matter if it's shit. But of course, does matter. It matters just as much as any other piece of meat. That you do. You get asked to collaborate produce thing. Yeah. REMIXING is one of the most common things I get asked to do. And and production and stuff like that. You know movie soundtracks, those kinds of things. At, some point I just thought. Looking back at the music that I made. The remixes were the things that I was least happy with. And and also the things that I wanted to do partly because of that deadline problem, you know this like a deadline and you have to hand something in if I'm only seventy percent happy with it, I, still have to hand it in and and that was kind of the time that I had kids as well or are I your daughter and I just said you know what I think I'd just be happier if I just had a blanket like no, I'm not. I'm not well I'm so slow working I mean sure everybody feels that way but I I feel like I'm really slow working on my own stuff. And that's probably what makes me happiest and I kind of looking back at a most proud of. So it's going to do that. Absolutely. Yeah that's really that's really strong. That's really am. Disciplined because for me I'm like, ooh. I could say the same thing to myself and then someone had come awake letter and say, Hey, do you wanna this and I'll be like, okay yeah, I know but. Sometimes I feel like I'm just being stupidly adherent to a rule that you know. Yeah it goes both ways are you ever tempted to just sort of like give people songs like rata song for someone and getting them to sing over in the way that you don't think he'll vocal sound is the best ever. At the thing I i. think this is different between I to is that the thing that that I ended up with after having made album is made every day I make like two or three little sketches which don't have vocal melodies. They're just like a loop you know keyboard part drums, something else an end up with like hundreds and hundreds of those that's my process is just making those those this no pressure making one of those. Because if it's crap, it just goes in the garbage pile but then I ended up with a bunch of them that are like this something good about that. But it's never gonna I'm not gonNA finish it because it's not as good as the other things or it's doesn't fit with the other things on sometimes tempted to in another world or another context like I could give those to collaborator or somebody who wants to sing over something and It seems like super wasteful to made all his music and then literally just put on the trash, which is generally what happens but I am I right in thinking you write the number of songs that are on the album basically or close to it. You know like yet. As. Well, it's it's more just like I saw ideas, but I'll never come close to finishing a song that isn't definitely going to be released. Does that mean you're one of those people that you'll make tons of stuff and then select the best stuff the you want to release exactly that I let them sit for a while. So the ones I'm not super happy about don't get very far along it's not like I've got hundreds and hundreds of almost finished songs. They're like draft give ideas. But I've heard you talk about having a song kind of appear in your head almost fully formed, and if if anything I'm the polar opposite of that, I have to actually get my hands on instrument. Yeah and. Easy and productive, and I never like have kind of writer's block and those kind of things especially because sometimes I, get like you know melody my hat or something but then when I try and record it, it just turns into trash. Version isn't that sad when? Is. Definitely. You know sometimes i. feel like some melodies that just not meant to belong. To be a part of the real, well I. Think I think is like a Melody Autism Chords. Over baseline or something, and for some reason, it works in your head but you listen to it in real life and it's like suddenly it has to I, don't know. And I'm like Oh well I guess that song just is it has to live in my head. Again. It's like kind of this puzzle that we haven't figured out after doing this for a while they're still a mystery to it. You know it's not as simple as being like I know that's going to be I mean I think some people probably have that ability to just be like I know this is going to be something great I've just got to follow it through, but I like that yes, a little hard to track down stevie wonder public exactly who I was thinking of as well. This show is brought to you. By Patriot, who asked creators are you tired of being paid and clicks and likes social media and streaming platforms help people find your work but getting you paid is another story. With Patriotic, you can stop rolling the dice of ad revenue and per stream payouts and grow your creative career through the direct support of the people who care the most your fans. Since Patriarch is built for creators not advertisers. You'll skip the middleman and develop a sustainable income source by offering them recurring membership to your fans intern they'll get access to exclusive community premium content and a chance to become active participants in the work they love. The creative system is broken. So if you're a podcast, her video maker musician writer illustrator, a creative person of any time sign up on Patriot Dot com now that's Pat R. E. O. N. DOT COM and change the way your creativity is valued by building the steady income stream you deserve. Are you missing playing live shows. How do you feel about the fact that we both have kind of defacto lockdown albums give they came out like right before all of this? Yeah. Isn't that funny? I get I. Guess you've probably been getting messages from people being like you know year albums being something that I've listened to lots in this time and we'll they'll always associate it with that. This time was the a little bit scared of this album being an album that people forever associated with this time just because this is kind of like it's on time in the world and and everything is crazy. It's an emotional time for people but at the same time, it's kind of like it's also terrible and kind of like it's this nothingness Tom and I hope that it reminds people of something other than just getting stuck. Yeah. That's the only thing I'm worried about but the music, the you make, and probably the music that I make to some degree is such a kind of. World inside your head you know what? I mean. So that is feel like solemin making music for me is an escape into something unreal as well, and so I imagine that our music has done that in the time for that's very true. That's looking at I. I mean how we don't have any choice in it you know the other thing it's just has. Yeah and Yeah I mean, obviously I'm missing playing live. It's funny I. Didn't I didn't even register until just recently that we've that we're not playing in obviously that did but it's like try to be kind of glass half full about about everything and given the people like you and I. We can still do what we do. And especially because we're kind of self sufficient recording, we can still do a large part of what we love to do as though nothing ever changed and for that reason were extremely privileged. Oh, for sure and so I kind of feel I kind of feel bad about complaining that we can't do the other thing we love doing which is. Totally Fair. But yeah, it suddenly just hit me the other day. Oh, yeah, we're not. I'm not doing that thing about love doing. You know I got so. Caught up in the pandemonium in the kind of. Craziness of coronavirus vars kicking in that I forgot that we just started this or that we weren't really we played three shows really. Yeah. Yeah. We we would just about this big kind of like North American. Yeah and the plug pulled after third show. How about you had you started doing we were in a we've never done this before full. Production kind of warehouse. Our first date was I duNNo March, thirteenth, and fourteenth or something like that and and we were having this kind of You know I don't have a manager I don't have like a lot of like infrastructure around me. So literally me the guys in the band are lighting engineer engineering, our sound engineer sitting there being like. What what we do you know what happens we're getting on a flight. Tomorrow at nine am but things are just increasingly going crazy every day shows are still UK was a bit ahead of some parts that we were starting in Canada and there weren't that many cases in Canada and looking back I think we were. So in this weird denial, which I guess everybody was to some degree thinking that we were just going to I mean, yeah. It gradually dawned on us and it was literally the F- eight pm the night before we were supposed to catch a flight the next morning I was like, okay everybody we're not going anywhere you know. And isn't that funny? How how much it changed every day every day was like you know instead of grew in intensity. No one knew what was GonNa Happen Twenty four hours from now you know what? State the world was GONNA. Yeah exactly I think we can be forgiven for being so naive because this thing that was changing so fast yeah, and and you know seemed unreal all the things that have developed since then yeah to change chop a little bit just stop people might want to hear about US meeting the first time. Remember when that was was that in New Zealand? Yes. Okay, so was that because I need that we met then I didn't know if we'd met at a festival or something before that. I don't think yet the. Festival called Kello home. That's IT Campbell. So cool. It was in the middle of nowhere in New Zealand in Zule or like a holiday camp or something. Yeah. Yeah. It was really free form compared to most music festivals like there wasn't even A. Fence, around it or people just if they'd come that far that they want. To be there and yeah and we played in the bottom of a swimming pool or something. Yeah. I remember you. You're just hanging out I. Think I did you play there or when I met you you're just hanging. was just say I don't know if I was playing on I. Think I was playing in Pont my friends. Okay. Yeah. That's what I was playing drums for them. Which I now realize that I was playing at the time but I could easily have just been. They're just hanging out with them. We were with care and fourteen maybe he knew somebody new and you're just like hanging out on the grass and then I remember you had a laptop and headphones and you're working on stuff for loner as my guess and you played me would have been. Nothing that has happened. You just gave me like check this out I was like Holy Shit like. That moment I always stuck with me I must have been a lot more brash back then because I don't know how I got the courage to play you. Unrelated stuff. Stuff that I was wondering maybe you, we're playing it to other people and I was like, can I have you know? Can I have a list it anyway yeah. Not Festival was. So it was a kind of festival utopia yet. There's a few of those. Things around straight where it's Kinda just like if you know you're not counting. Things I guess because. Of that night show that don't that aren't last very right. I like the grow their the grow too big to be. What they started all say, Oh, we had a good couple of doing it and light to stop doing it. You know. which is, which is kind of romantic I? Guess. Yeah. Do you ever miss playing scrappy weird gigs absolutely. Absolutely, yeah. I mean, like just bus of the way it's naturally evolved. In such a big operation. Now, the timing Polish are kind of just we just kind of grew into that role of okay we're GONNA. For one festival one time we just we got creative design team we got like the whole thing. Weeks of pre production stuff and then for some reason and then just. Sort of turned into that being the way we do it now should lower. Yeah. I was just thinking of the die like God i Miss Playing Small sweaty shows. where? Everything is so uncontrolled. It's like the big a yoga as a live act. The more everything is controlled like temperatures control the sound is controlled. Just so far from the front of how speakers that you have your own little personal mix and it's completely controllable but. I miss just sort of not knowing what's going to happen not knowing that the place is going to look like it's going to sound. Yeah Yeah. We're obviously on playing shows on a smaller scale but still it's like if if this place doesn't have the kind of lighting and video back that we need, we can't do a show there you know and sometimes. That means that the show is always as we kind of want it to be but I thinking back about our early days doing shows some of those places that we you know if we didn't know what we were getting into, we probably would have been like this isn't a good idea but then they ended up being so fun and weird and scrappy and memorable, and you know Matt people through those kind of experiences instead of one of the things that I was. So inspired by when I when I was seeing that you guys live those time because it was kind of like every couple of years I think we kind of like Cross Pas and festivals law and always drunk me house of inventive you were with the stage layout and how you did it and. Facing each other much of still do it. Seemed like you. Just using the platform of the stage to kind of do it your own way Yeah difficult to describe but. I'm glad to hear you say that because you we still set up our own gear before of festival performance. And I'm like I'm aware that kind of sends a message you know. that. People are like this. These guys doing this kind of weird diy way. They're all huddled in the middle and the that came about in the funniest way we you know we we were playing small stages and we wanted to be close to we had to be close to one another and and then we'd show up at a festival and there'd be a big stage we will be like, yeah. But there's a cable running for me to. Him. So I can't be any further away. We'd we'd end up on a big stage being like, is this a bit stupid like huddled in the middle but then let's just embrace sat tight then also I do think sometimes the that kind of attitude shuts me down from you know you've yeah I've seen you play in different environments and the show is so incredible and obviously requires so much work and as such big production but is amazing and. If I'm just being like we've got to. Stick to this weird setup that we're all together that close off possibilities of making it something. Really. Cool. Yeah like net now that you've got this huge kaleidoscopic spaceship landing stage show recently anyway do you enjoy playing those shows because you're like man this I mean I've had those moments even with our show when I'm like this is insane looking around you know like the amount of flashing lights and things. It adds to my enjoyment of it and I can only imagine makes people enjoy the show? Yes. So yeah, I I, do love I mean I am kind of like resigned to. The fact that that's kind of how it is. Now a do often get frustrated. At how kind of rigid the process can become things happen a lot less spontaneously like just in the production of A. For example, it's really difficult to add a song. I just say you wanted to in the middle of a to. Play this song tonight the production manager will go like, whoa, hang on, hang on their sunny. We haven't. We haven't striped time code. And say to these various departments that control of it. The like things are connected in ways of technology I don't even understand. In that way, it can become a little bit. It's not as organic. But it's it's something I've kind of just realized after work with you know because that's the only way that it can be like as momentous as it is your guest I am always kind of to find ways to buck the system and kind of like. Even that big and even though we've got all this stuff, we can still do it our One of the most wonderful things outside of Tame Impala the, music itself. I don't know if you feel this but I feel like the scale of its popularity and how culturally ubiquitous it's become is somehow like unlikely and There are no other bands like you at that scale like headlining festivals, selling out Arenas and stadiums. Because, it doesn't fit into some like mode or whatever show and I mean on some smaller level I feel the same whenever we step out on a big stage on stage I'm like it's so cool that we're playing this weird music to this many people. Do you feel that? Are you proud of that? Do I mean I can't explain it? It's funny because I get asked that a lot like. Yeah. How do you explain it? Right. Not The is a backhanded compliment, but it's always like I don't know. I honestly don't know sometimes I feel like I'm getting close to understanding understanding why people like time in polymer at the same time I'm like if I don I don't understand why people like podcast maybe that's a good thing you know. Because I'll exploited it does seem like a bit of a back I the way I look at as it's kind of like I, look at some bands of some music and some operations when you see that kind of management everything's so like. By the book straight ahead it's a business kind of thing, and then I see other people I'm like you're a Weirdo like I'm a Weirdo you know and it's just so nice to see those things. Thriving makes me really. Happy for an and you know you meet people who are. There are loads of people who are genuinely fans of music that's weird and interesting and does all sorts of things. So it's not surprising in that sense, but it's just like right on I'm so glad that. Is, possible yeah anyway. We talked about nothing else I wanNA talk to you about I want to I'm not GonNa ask you anything. I'm just going to tell you. I want to tell you about how I heard your music. Didn't ask no I do I do want to know that it was funny because like leading up to this to this thing we're doing realize I thought about this moment since it happened but I was kind of house body and it was caucus mole kind of kind of gathering just like. Drinking. Smoking. Kaufhaus body. And I just had one of those moments where you know when you like when you he is something in you just like everyone shut the fuck up what is that? Like. You get you get a little bit. Selfish because you like everyone shut up. Someone tell me what that is. You know usually I'm not like that I'm not as rude but I still remember someone had little boombox and they'll playing melody. And I just remember sitting next door and made them repeat it. And I was asking my friend. Nick. I was like who is this I? Remember loving it because it reminded me of little bit of like. Who Love because it has that snare. Debate with its second leading on the snare. Which is a I love it. It always gets me. But yeah, that was it. Three Kids I. Got The and everything. I'm so happy to have been one of those moments for sure and. Listening to Dunya and loads when I was making that Oh for sure. Yeah. Have you seen them live? Yeah. I finally saw them live. Yeah. A little while ago it took me a long time. Yeah. I just remember thinking like, oh I loved him yen but I'll never hear something modern. That kind of has that kind of affect on me and. That's why I was kind of like taken aback, hood melody and all the door because it had that like. That really beautiful kaleidoscopic melody and kind of turn -ality. But you could tell it was electric. That's what Boomerang and it was like Oh, that's always been a sort of musical goal for me is like something that. So kind of like something organic and human sounding. But in this kind of electronic realm and I feel like you've always nailed that elusive thing you know it's like it's electric and repetitive and yeah electric but it has this but it's so overwhelmingly human. Well, thank you you surreal. I, think that just comes about through happens like trying to make zombies album, you know I instead of being in. Abbey road. Studios I had like a crappy laptop a pile of records that I'd sample like to notes of a flute off of and then try and put it in place and If anything went you know I'm I'm really proud of the album Andorra and but if anything when I look back at it, that's my only criticism Oh I was like trying so hard to make something the captured those kinds of sixties, early seventies, psychedelic records but I, love that about it that I was trying to do that but I failed and that's kind of why it was. Sort of maybe sort of interesting you know what I mean. For something and I missed and the thing the miss was actually more interesting than if I'd actually being capable of doing the thing properly I know exactly what you're talking about. It's funny. It's funny that isn't it? Yeah. There are so many examples of that in history musically list of people trying to sound like something you Gary Numan he was kind of like a punk rock right and he was trying to make dance music or something I. WanNa Hood was. Outcast when he made. He was trying to make it sound like the hives I. Don't know if that's true. I. Don't like the song. That song is just like is such an anomaly. Yeah. There's no other song in the world like. Yeah, there's never has its own. Realm Music ECON even anyway. But so apparently he he'd been watching the hives of vegetables and stuff. Like. It kind of garage rock they. Can almost always here. Yeah but then it's so it's veered away from that. Yeah and I think that's a really good argument to me for like sometimes particularly in certain strains of dance music club music but also other types of music there's this real kind of purity or pure is. That people are like, no, you cannot. You know it has to be this thing and you can kind of bring in other disparate influences and it's seen as a kind of watering down or. You know weakening of something to have a kind of mishmash of things which I mean I. Don't know I've just always been drawn to mishmash of things. Those are the music that I like the most where they're coming on the boundary between. This is not quite this and it's not quite that. And I I just think that's how music. Yeah. Like you say there are so many examples of in music history that's kind of how music works like people trying to do one thing not having the same skills or context or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It told me a long time to get this idea of types of music sounding authentic always loved dance music an electronic music. But I, because I grew up in the kind of like quote Unquote Rock Weld I always felt like if I made dance music, it would sound authentic and. With other things to iron billion. Even like Psych Rock in west of making soccer I thought I wasn't being authentic. took me a long time to get over that kind of like paranoia like that kind of concept because obviously it's Bush Yeah. But I've definitely have myself. Yeah. That same feeling do you know this album by this Guy Charron Jeet Singh called Ten ragas to a disco beat. What's it called I forget how many ragas sounds great sounds like it's. Unbelievable is this guy in he was just like a soundtrack composer in India and he made an album with like all the role and stuff like a three, zero, three drum machine and I don't know maybe a June or something and. He was just playing Ragas. But with an acid base line in Germany scene and he just totally accidentally invented. House Music and techno. Independently. Know I don't know kind of record record collector. He kind of person when I heard that I was like whole and obviously it sounds very different because the scales are different and Cetera. I love those anomalies. kind of also goes to what we were talking about. Before when I making music I'm always thinking that if people listened to at all or if it's like still around in a few years at all, it'll be viewed as a kind of well, there was this Weirdo doing this kind of like half this half that kind of thing. That's very much in my mindset because all a lot of the music that I love are those kind of weird anomaly outsider ash kind of things I I don't know. Do. You ever think about your music being apprec- added retrospectively like I say that because a friend of mine makes music and likes to think of it as being listened to in thirty, he likes to think of it as an album someone finds in some dusty old records door and dirty writes more. So than than people listening to it right now, there's something about that discovering it after a long time that does it for him. That's a cool thing about it actually Yeah. I mean, it's it's funny thing and it plays into another thought that I have the world is full of music obviously never more. So the thought of making music adding something to that is this crazy like act of. Ego. EGOMANIA, but you have to kind of drink yourself into this mindset that like what we're GonNa do we're going to sit down and do something worthwhile even though there have already been like a hundred million songs written in the world or you know it's funny I think about that and I think it's some kind of a trick like a self-deception you know that allows me to sit down and think. I'm going to write the best song in the world today it's obviously not going to happen but if you don't think that you'd never do it. You know you never try absolutely I'm to think that a certain amount of ego is vital in the creative process the something about it and it sounds really bad. But you know there's something about the feeling of. An inherent self-importance you know, I don't know I don't know. Well I. Wonder if you have the same kind of feeling because it sounds to me like you grew up in CNN Perth. Yes. That reminds me of the town that I grew up in. Do you have any friends who you're like aw friend makes such. Amazing. Music is so creative and interesting. If only liked, they'd finish that song that they played me that was half finished. It would be so great and everybody would love it and stuff like that and. And I know so many people like that You know they they doing more interesting things than I was, but I was so desperate to be doing exactly what we're doing right now like playing gigs around the world and having people listen to my music that just was this crazy drive just to kind of have this imagined thing of quote unquote being a musician was one of the things driving me to to keep doing stuff and I guess that's some kind of. You know ambition or ego or whatever. I don't know Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah. That too. Isn't that funny like how important ambition is in that sense but neither of US probably would think of ourselves as ambitious people like like somebody who's goes into business or you know what I mean it's weird music. It's a very weird thing. So yeah, it's a funny thing too I. I definitely have that distorted fantasy that that I'm going to Rut like the greatest pups on the world. You know it sounds the. Cheapest thing out loud and obviously not completely true. But it's like, yeah, I don't know if it's we'd well, you've written some pretty damn good pops on so. Yeah. Glad you are operating under that assumption because it's It's working pretty well. Anyway I. Yeah. I'm really glad I. Don't know about you. I've kind of stopped doing all press and stuff and we the Times that we've met in the past it's been like you know pretty short thing at a festival or whatever, and I've always thought a great to get to like not that this is exactly hang out but the we'd get to. Hang out and talk more so. Close as we'll get for a look for. Awhile For Awhile and I hope we do get to cross paths. In person before too long. Yeah. Absolutely. Man. It's been really nice to talk Yeah Dude I've Got Tate up I've been thinking about it allow. Me To. It's it's allowed me to I mean obviously I've listened to your music loads and love it. But it also I was like I'm going to go back and listen to all in a really intensive way too which was have enjoyed loads. For always to listen to. Music. Thanks. Thing I've on the two times have been drawn up driven down South I've had Caribou on the whole time Nice. Cool? Wicked Joe Nice to talk to you Kevin Yeah you so. Dan Snaith Aka Caribou Kevin Parker Aka Tame Impala. Thank you so much for joining us here on the talk house podcast. I WanNa take a quick moment to give a huge shout out to the TAME IMPALA SUB Reddit. You guys grabbed a screen shot of my instagram and were so enthusiastic about this talk coming down the pipe blind came and thanks again for sending me that it was so nice to get to chat with a few you guys. Online can never keep anything away from the fans. Hey, man I love it listeners. If you enjoyed this week's show, we highly recommend checking out past episodes like the Pitchfork Fest doubleheader with Fleet Foxes Robin. Peck. Mold with Milford Jagna and Blood Orange Rafael Sadique, and be sure to get the latest of Talk House on facebook twitter and instagram. That's at Talk House. You can also follow me and throw my teasers into your separate I'm at Elliot Einhorn. Are Researcher for today's show is re Sagan's and our producer extraordinaire is Mark Yoshizumi Everyone you heard on stays episode recorded themselves at home. The TACOS podcast theme song was composed and performed by the range till next week I'm Eliane Horn I'm Keenan Kush. And Tame Caribou.

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No Filler: Best of 2020 - Part 2

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No Filler: Best of 2020 - Part 2

"And welcome to no filler. The music podcast dedicated to sharing the often hidden gyms that fill the space between the singles on our favorite records. My name is clinton. Got my brother travis with me as always and this is episode to for our year ends favorites of twenty twenty countdown. So yeah just just as a reminder just to put this back out there these are not in any particular order because we are trying to do the same where we're gonna treat it like a like a spontaneous mix taper. Dj sat or something like that right. So i'm gonna play something and then queens going to pick something from his remaining picks. And i have no idea what travis is about to play. Yeah this is spontaneous. Last week i kicked it off right and i played three songs. Travis played too. And i try my best to pick matching songs but you know it is what it is but i think with this next one q my first pick today. I think you're gonna like you're gonna be able to flow with this one. I'm ready bro. let's do it so you know. There are certain things in life that are that. Are you know without a doubt right. Like for example. The sky is blue skies blah but water is wet And one thing. I'm fairly certain of q. Is you're gonna love this on all right so i would classify these guys as psychedelic shoe gays Yummy i don't know what kind of a name this is. But their name. The first part of the name is fine karen. Kfi r. o. Win then it's semi-colon i. r. s. e. exclamation mark. What the hell's this dude. That's what i'm saying. There's a semi colon and an exclamation mark. So we're going to start this off just fucking at a high high energy little. I'm already could you tell us. Sheikh my hand dude because my focus started vibrating. All right so cute. This disband like i said their names karen i. r. s. e. The album is called. Poly som- came out on september eleventh of this year and the song is called and bat none. That's my jam. Dude i will never get tired of this flavor of psych rock ever. Yeah i knew love did i just knew it so this is like the perfect like you said rock right but shoe gaze at all the all the right ways to it's like a perfect blend of shoe gays and psychedelic at that wall. Sound wall sound. I love the like the contrast of the vocals soft breathy classic cashew gays vocals plus that wall of sound and the psychedelic flair. That the attitude like it's a great great like balance. You know what i mean. Yeah and that drumbeat. That drumbeat is as a perfect like right. That psych rock pocket. I don't know i like. There's there's a certain kinda beat that goes along with his style of music too i. I'm a huge fan of it. It's usually pretty simple and always just keeps driving forward and the song Yeah did not love it. Yes so that whole record against called poly som- it is in that that same that that pocket right. It's kind of like team in brand of of psychedelic like here and there. You know on then travis. I'm so glad you sat brother. Oh man what a perfect transition. I knew you had team in paula on your list. So i figured you would. You would play him all ya after this track as good a good flow. So yeah how can we talk about. Twenty twenty and new records without talking about team impalas very highly anticipated record. Sakib tell us what you got here. Yeah so it was early twenty twenty. I was still working in the office early. How still going into going into work everyday. I remember my my buddy or my coworkers. Who's also tame impala fan. We kinda geeked out about it. You see if i can pull up the date your yeah. This was very beginning of the year. Dude you're gonna make me get get depressed here because we had team impala tickets man. I know dude god. I'm sorry sorry so my internet. Swear cool man. I would be better off using my phone area. Yes oh so. We're talking about the slow rush and this was tame impala Latest came out and february of this year. I listen to it as soon as it came out. And so it's no secret that we were huge. Kevin parker fans. I'm glad that you said his name. Because you have to like you have to tame. Impala is kevin parker right. So it's like it's good to remind people like this is. This is kevin parker. Really you know. This is all kevin parker. If you see tame impala live. It's kevin parker with all of his friends. All of his friends from his friends are tagging along to pull off a live. Show yeah I tried really hard to leave off the obvious choices on my favorites list. You know tame impala being an obvious favorite same with the strokes left off fleet foxes but this song made it on the list because so this is the first track on the slow rush. And when i heard it dude i just i got so excited. It just made it obvious like all right. This is going to be another amazing tame. Impala record and kevin is continuing to evolve with the sound. And i'm so excited to hear the rest of the album and this to the song is easily might be one of my favorites like in the top five favorite songs of the year. It's just something about the song. Yeah i mean you know with him. Apollo you know that you're going to be taken on a journey right so this is like yeah the first track so this is the cow. He chose to start this record journey off for the listener. Yeah and like you said. It's tame impala so like as all of us did who have been sort of anxiously awaiting the next impala record to drop like the The excitement level is so high. Like when you hit play you know because you're like all right one of my in store for here. You know like wh what could work. Could he possibly go from currents you know like what's next okay. So here is the first track on tame. Impala is the slow rush. This song is called one more year. Oh along a deep was crooked. Coast sta because one day honoring the slow the combs those say one racing one law. You can't help it move around the room. Did i know man and you had to play it to like. That was a four minute clip. Because he had to get back into the when he brings. All back into that groove. Yeah man there's just something about kevin parker. We did an episode on on on inter inter speaker whose dinners. Yeah so you know. We talked about him as an artist. And all that stuff on that episode. But yeah he's just he's he's What is it like a triple threat. Or whatever they call more. It's like his vocals are fucking amazing. His lyrics lyrics great his his the way he composes his songs and melodies and stuff like that it's like he takes you on a journey every song as its own to use such a cliche but you know what i'm saying. Oh yeah it's a trip you know he's taking a trip really for sure. Yeah and so. I listened to this album at first came out. And then just kinda shelled it and forgot about it and then i reconnected with it. During the lockdown the first go round you know in april or may and the lyrics struck me different. Did with the circumstances now he wrote well before covert head but these lyrics do. I don't know why. Just kinda like i could relate to it at the very end of the first verse. He says were on a roller coaster. Stuck on. its loop de loop first off. I love that. I love the way the line to yeah. We're on a roller coaster. Stuck on its loop de loop because what we did one day on a whim slowly becomes all we do. That's what it felt like to me dude. Every day i'm like well. What am i going to do today. Oh stuck in house gonna do the same thing. One thing that we did on the whim now. This is pretty much all we do now. The an this'll the whole year has been her all stuck on on this loop de loop or on a roll across to. We're never going to get off this thing right. Yeah and then down here says it's okay. I think there's a way. Why don't we just say one more year. Not worrying if i get the right amount of sleep now not caring if we do the same thing every week get stuff dude and it just it just fit so well with like our circumstance and it's funny because nobody saw this. Obviously he wrote these songs. Yeah who knows win so like it's just funny. How lyrics can be interpreted same with What's the name of the new strokes album. The new abnormal. Yeah anyways so. That is a no brainer. Tame impala will always find a way on atop song list for me any year. The tame impala Record it will. It will show up on a filler countdown. Recap episode at some point. I was so excited to hear dude news. Funny like the first line he says. Do you remember. We were standing here a year ago. It's been a few years in between currents and slow rush. But i thought of it as like okay. You remember that also mound my relief years ago. Climb back baby. Hey we are yeah and it was an interesting record we could. We could probably due to an episode on the record. Yeah there's there's other songs in this album that almost made it on this list. Yeah all right anyways man moving on so passionate back to you what you got for us. Okay i think this is going to be actually a pretty good flow from that song i. So here's the thing. I brought this guy to an episode back in as my what you heard. It's as vapor wave artists. That goes by the name equip. And if i were to pick an album one album that that represented Mike my a like music and twenty twenty for me. He would be his record. They came out in two thousand sixteen called dreamed of a palace in the sky. I had to find a way to to to showcase equip on my twenty twenty List so did you write him a letter and say hey brother. Could you like releases single this year just for me. I did actually ride him on. Bank asked what was. I asked him if if they're going to repress that record 'cause it's sold out on vinyl so i did i did talk to. This guy is a cost play king. I think his whole life is maybe a cost play. It's a good thing that you brought that up. So yes if you look him up images of this guy he does 'cause play But that is a character that he's created so like i said with that record that i mentioned It was a concept album about a like a like a japanese. Rpg video game that never existed right So there's this other artists that kinda runs in the same circle him it goes by our two-three x and they have started putting out The they have this project that they're collaborating on Which is that the name that they're that they're gonna go by kind of funny. It's called the. The nameless dreamers are two three x also has his own character that he's come up with its super nerdy guy. Let's let's just put that out there but but hey nothing but respect yeah so exactly so all right so we're going to listen to the song that they collaborated on called airship theme parentheses. Fast air travel so think about the name of that right airship theme kind of similar to their record. I've talked about by equip. Some of the names. They seem like they would be the names of like a level in a game they would play or like something that happens Like for example fast air travel right. So imagine you're playing a video game and there's a cut scene where you're traveling by air but like that. This is the song you might here on this. You know fictional video game. That doesn't cost anyway. So we're gonna listen to this It's called airship theme fast. Air travel is a single by our two three x and equip. doc scraped. you'd yeah. I'm looking forward to the rest of the the record that they're gonna put out together because it's a lot going on there and it. Yeah bike it makes you wonder like what am i listening. What parts of this are sampled. Parts of this are actually recorded instruments. That they're using will. Yeah this is. Yeah i mean that's equips whole thing right. He's a he's a he. You might say the word hip knee. Gajic uses the same equipment that that Via game composers may have been using back in the nineties or something like that for some of these. Rpg's that came out obviously more to it than that but he is some low sound. You're hearing sound like video game scores. Mike that And i honestly haven't listened to two three x by himself. He's actually collaborated with equip on other songs. So i don't know what what he sounds like independently of equip. But that's kinda they're both in the same vein of that sort of Lo fi hip no contract there. That word again. There is low vitamin the gadget. Pop favor wave even but they're not bieber wave like paper wave. You know what i mean. They're in this other niche. But anyway i just. I love anything. Equip does a huge fan of his. So i just wanted to make sure. I could pay my respects to the man. Even though the record that i really fell in love with this year came out in two thousand sixteen but anyway that's a great track. I love that track. I'm excited to see what else they put out. All right cuma thrown back at you. What you got for us her before we jump into our next to pick. Let's take a quick break all right dude. I've been excited to to share sa- music from this artists. I i heard her album earlier this year. So this is a electric music artists. She goes by yuji yogi. That's her that is actually part of a real name names. Kathy kathy lee She is a american. She's born in new york. She's a really unique electronic arts. Like this is one of the album's for me. That i would put in like the top five as far as like most interesting unique. Just kind of threw me for a loop when i first heard it so. Her album is called what we drew. It came out in april and It's it's another one of those examples of kind of i mean a collective in a way. She has a lot of her friends and fellow artists that collaborate with her on this album. Yes oh so. There's a lot of songs on this record. That really stuck with me through the year and just quite a few songs could've picked but this is one of my favorites on on the record. I mean of course it is. Why it's on this list but Yeah i think i think it's going gonna flow l. From from your equip song so here is a song from your jeez album from april of this year. What redrew this song is called. When i grow up one to testing young vs tent taints foot. Clinton is a crazy new same theft teams foot young. Expose taps foot clinton because he same up taints fault Let clash s. la man. I was also did like you said like Really grabs your attention. You know yeah really different did and like this is an album that you really gotta listen to With a good sound system because the way it's mixed dude the base just kinda fibers the whole room. Yeah the majority of the album. Yes there's elements of like of hip hop a little bit and there Yeah i like her. I like the way she loops The beats and her. She has another instrument. The funny thing is when. I saw the album art on your screen at thought. We were in store for another psychedelic ban because it looks like even her her her name the script. What time script as a. Yeah that display font. It almost reminds me of Artists the did all those. Yes album covers. Yeah it does exactly. That's why. I thought it would be like the psychedelic Prog rock not that now that yes was psychedelic shirts Via yeah man Really great album. And like i said from track to track this shit holds your attention really unique stuff. I'm real excited to hear what else is going to be bringing to the table here. So this is her debut She's she's been releasing little epa's in singles for the last couple of years but he had a surfers falling cool again. The artist is yoji. The album is what we drew. And that song was. When i grow up all right travis time to take us on home much you got for us all right so q. A little band called real estate Unite have been familiar with him for a while now covered them on our music blog back when they first started which was like two thousand nine is when they first started making music together man. I could have sworn there around for way longer than that. But i guess not did you right. I mean we did the municipal like over a decade ago. Which is insane me but anyway i fell in love with the record came out in twenty eleven called days. That's the one that i really sunk my teeth at me to. It's great someone there so these guys are best described as like a dream. Pop surf rock kind of their in that vein right and twenty eleven when all of that stuff was coming out right and they do it in all the right ways. Man do not that. It's not a carbon copy of all the same shit that was coming out around. The is unique. Yeah that's right. They have their own kind of Signature sound but you know. I think with them more so than the other bands are doing this back then they cannot have tapped into that like sixties gangly rock countdown to in some in some ways and some of the songs but anyway so this is their fifth record that they put out This year and this was two weeks after team impalas. A new record came out to february. Twenty eighth It looks like they collaborated with sylvan. Esso a big fan of her. Yeah there's a single. The came out called paper cup where they collaborated with sylvan. Tool but anyway There's one song in particular that really stood out to me on this record and we're gonna have to split it into two parts because you have to hear the solo that happens at the end okay but This is going to slow down a little bit from the rest of the songs that we've talked about today. But what like about this song is that it's and i think this record. They did some more sort of like you know the way they put it like. This was their fifth record. They've been together for over a decade so the last one came out in two thousand seventeen. His wife is pregnant. he was struggling with an asking. Like do i continue real estate. Like do we keep going with us. And he's just been working on these songs slowly three years so it gets you know. They wanted to take some risks. They wanted to do some different things. And i think this song kind of an example of that because it's almost like a progressive rock song So yeah we're gonna play the song called also about a a us a Classic real estate but like it is. Yeah yeah i like how it is almost like like a miniature prog rock song you know like all these different directions and one song but it's not dry it hasn't drag on for nine minutes. You know right. So what's interesting about this track. Is that This is the first real estate song where it was primarily written and sung by the guitar. St- that's not the main singer that we're used to his name is julian lynch So one thing. I wanted to ask you because i know you're you're more of a Beach boys fan than make it real estate the way that they have that they do their vocal harmonies is kind of reminiscent of some beach. Boy stuff absolutely an and let me. Can i just i feel like i need to clarify something. Not not you said that about about mean beach boys i i if i would call myself a beach boys fan but there are a handful of beach boys songs from like right before. Brian wilson went totally insane. That i really like. But yeah and it is i i. I could go the rest of my life without hearing their their. Surf's up sure era. You know yeah right but yeah no it. The way the brian wilson and i feel like he's probably the one that orchestrated all the harmonies. Yeah no the rest of the guys did their part but yeah. That's what i love about. Noah lennox or panda bear. How he he's harmonizing with himself. But he taps into that. Brian wilson yeah harmonizing and i just love it. That's one of my favorite things about panda bear song. But yet you're right. It's it's definitely that it's got that same flavor of harmonising. Yeah i've always thought that real estate in all of this stuff. They don of Tapped into that style of harmonising. All right let's skip to the end here. I just wanted to play because there is a really cool guitar guitar. So and it's not surprising that julian the guitar player wrote the song. Because he's like he's sneaking this balanced guitar solo at the end all right. Let's let's listen to this guitar solo to close out here her Yeah did that really is like a pocket-size prog rock song. It was like a cliff notes. Version of like jerry garcia guitar solo or something but it lasts for twenty minutes. I mean it's yeah. I mean it's a it's jazz right. I mean that's a jazz it's like a. it's like a indie rock jazz fusion. Is that what you don't hear very often Via at those kind of kind of interesting that stood out to me on the record. I will say not to. I guess i don't have to do this. But i guess i will the record as a whole. I was pretty unimpressed. But the song is in the middle of the album and it just kills the ship. Did you got to listen to. If you're a fan of an artist and they put out a record you gotta listen to the whole thing because you're gonna miss perhaps the one song that's really good and worth hearing right so gotta stay committed. Yeah get them. I'm glad you said that man because it's what we preach. Yeah dillard's what we're the the basis of this. Entire podcast is the hidden. Yeah discovering the The hidden gyms the the non singles that go unnoticed a lot of times right riding records so anyway Yeah so that was real estate and the record is called. The main thing came out in february of this year. And that's going to wrap up this episode of our two thousand twenty countdown. So we'll have three more after this. Yeah so that's our our five for this week but we got to close out with another favourite twenty twenty moments in music. That's right so last week we had. Tom york's performance of plasticine figures on jimmy fallon show so we decided in in addition to our five picks each episode. We're going to bring a favourite moment from the year. Meaning like you know a performance like that. That happened on jimmy fallon or Something that may have happened on youtube or something. You know something. Basically probably wouldn't have happened. Had it not been for the strange situation that we find ourselves in as globe in two thousand twenty right the pandemic and how it actually brought really cool moments to music. They probably wouldn't have happened. Otherwise so is our pick for this week to even do now. I got it bro. Okay let's talk about airlines oria. The quarantine elgon zero. I wanna talk about this album. And the circumstances that led to its birth another thing. That's no surprise to anyone that listens to no filler. We are massive airland fans. He is one half of the folk duo. Simon and garfunkel point to point now He's part of kings of convenience and He does a lot of solo stuff. He's also in a band called the whitest boy alive and he ended up releasing an album. This year called quarantine at l. gonzo and the title of the album is exactly what it is and how it came to be right so yeah so the story is they they being airland and this guy named sebastian massat were booked to play festival in mexico right so this is back in march and they had shown up To this resort. Mike that or this Something that they were staying in mexico city and then the festival was cancelled because a cove in nineteen and but here they were in this This space together and they found their way into so okay. I said resort. It was this hotel called the hotel. Algata which is the record is quarantine at algata. Apparently there's this recordings two years. Mike that in this hotel Or the space that they were able to kind of turn into a makeshift studio and Yeah so it was a spontaneous album that was put together due to the circumstances that they found themselves in they wrote some songs that did as coauthor together and so again we know definitively that this record would not exist had it not been for covid nineteen and it produced some of this really great beautiful music such a great adam dude and there's a lot of like just fun lighthearted songs on here you know you can tell that they had fun with. There's even a song at the very end of the if i'm not mistaken. Yeah sung by a woman named clara sebring on. She works at the hotel right so they just pulled her in and had her record a song with them. I don't know if she works at the hotel But she while the song is called keycard and it's all about. It was just like the lyric serve out like she's calling the front desk rookie cards at work or something like that right but again like just funny stuff that you may be spontaneously put together. If you're second i'll tell in quarantine you know what i mean. You're right in the sock anyway. Really cool stuff so yeah we got a song. Play in the as. It's going to close out q i was gonna play wipe out the first track because it's it's a goofy funds on and i don't think so it's it's either orlando sebastien. Do you hear singing on these songs. Mostly just to i think sebastian's the one that sinks wipeout. Yeah it's shot. Yeah so. He's the one singing all right so That'll closes out. In the meantime you could follow on twitter at no filler podcast. You can find us on our website. Podcast dot com. We can find all of our previous shows with show notes and track list's and all that good stuff and you still have a couple of weeks to get your picks in to us. Let me go back at twitter for a second are reaching out to listeners. And previous guests who've been on the show and asking to asking them to provide their picks for twenty twenty favorites. And our last episode in our two thousand twenty. Recap batch of episodes is going to be a collection of from her our listeners that submitted their songs wearing we're going to go through and maybe pick ten five to ten. There are some solid songs already on this list. man. I'm excited plam. There's been some Some dope ask submissions queue. So keep them coming. You can tweet them at us cues going on post. The i think maybe right now. I've got it pinned at the top by the way. Yeah so there's a tweet that has pinned to the top of our our no filler profile on twitter asking for submissions suggest to that and will throw it into the mix here and he never know you could be hearing. Your song played on no fewer. Hold onto your excitement. Second dream come true. I me anyway. So that's that and Yeah so we're gonna show at your next week Oh yeah. I also have to mention this because we're contractually obligated. We are part of the pantheon. Podcast network that is the podcast network for music lovers. So if you are a fan of our podcast chances are you'll find another show on that network that you would dig because it's not about music podcasts. So that has pantheon. Podcasts dot com. Go check us out over there. And that's that next week we will have five more picks as we whittled down our top twenty. And yeah that's so we're going to close out with wipeout by airline oria and sebastian muschamp. And that's going to do it. That's it all right. Everyone thank you as always for listening. My name is quentin. My name is travis. Take care the first one. Parental the first one out there on the ways. Oh my god surfing. I'll be the first one tomorrow. I want out there. I'll be glide all my god. Surfing is so. But in the morning. When i bet loud no one thousand. 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#745 Songs About Animals, Opinions on Tame Impala & Grimes

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#745 Songs About Animals, Opinions on Tame Impala & Grimes

"You're listening to the sound opinions and later in the show we're going to be sharing some of our favorite songs about animals but I some new music. That is a little bit of one more year. The lead track from the slow rush the newest and fourth album from Tame Impala Greg. You and I were super excited when this band burst out of Perth Australia. In the mid two thousands they were guests on the show. When I say they I'm really talking about Kevin Parker and occasionally some help a classic bedroom or tour sonic craftsmen. They were on the show in two thousand thirteen episode five. Oh three we both put loaner ISM on our top tens in two thousand twelve. We've been following eagerly everything that Mr Parker has given us. Working in the past with Dave Friedman he was obviously a fan of the flaming lips their longtime producer coming from that general space and then growing over three albums and then a long delay going on five years. Since we've gotten new music from Kevin Parker now here. We have the slow rush. Let's play a track from it. We'll come back and give our opinions in a minute. This is it might be time. Indeed Mr Parker on sound opinions see it might be time from the new. Tame IMPALA record the slow rush the slow Russia well name because it was slow and making it and that's fine. Kevin Parker is known as a guy who will obsess an up some more over his recordings and a sound bending his time in the studio sound opinions record that two thousand thirteen live taping of them in the studio the longest war. My history of this show got. He wants everything perfect. And you get the sense that this record was taken to the hilt when it came to perfection. You know there's a lot of beautiful sounds on this record. I mean there are some exquisite production layers and layers of production. You know it is the quote Unquote Cliche. Headphone record. Right on. And you're going to hear your head is going to be swimming with details but as much as I admire what Kevin Parker can do in the studio. I gotta Say I am. I'm unmoved by this record. I was absolutely thrilled by the first to TAME IMPALA RECORDS THE THIRD ONE. I thought he started to make the change over to a more keyboard. Synthetic sound and much more influenced by aren't being contemporary pop music bringing in a lot of those influences. Nothing wrong with that. I do sort of miss the guitars I do. Miss the tension that he was able to create in the studio with those Psychedelic soundscape because he was an extraordinary guitar. My goodness he's a he's a multi instrumentalists truly gifted musician. And I love touches like that. What he calls the Gregorian robot choir on on one more year that we played at the top. He is a huge supertramp fan as he acknowledged us. And you can hear it on those stabbing keyboards on that and it might be time track but then you get something like instant destiny which to me is his attempt. It's sort of a pop soul kind of vibe when they talk about yacht rock. This is what I think of. Yeah let's go on the yacht. Let's put on that New Tame Impala record bother anyone and you have to be wearing a white cravat while you're on the so. I don't know what what happened to Mr Parker. I love him as a an idea again. Those records are great. But I just am unmoved by this record I agree. It's a horrible record. It is only March as we record and yet this is a contender for the Turkey. Shoot of the year maybe the Turkey and specifically decade. I went back to our reviews of currents I liked it more than you but I was making the comparison to him really coming into his own as a Brian. Wilson like pop orchestrator. Yeah currents had the songs. The slow rush has no songs. It's as if this entire record was recorded. Under a six foot layer of gauze you know the vocals are gauzy the melodies are non existent and then went back to some interviews. He had done for that last album. And he said it was inspired by driving around Hollywood high on magic mushrooms listening to the BG's No good not your favorite. But no no and he means the disco. Bg's and now he's added that he thinks he's gotten closer to perfecting that but he also says he wants to be. Max Martin the Swedish super. You can hear it in my. Hey Man Max. Martin produces records that have melodies hoax gigantic hooks. Kevin Parker has just disappeared into his own belly button. When he sings on that track. We just played. It might be time. You Ain't is cool as you used to be. Hey I'm sorry Kevin but you ain't trek called violence from new grimes record. Miss Anthropoid Seen Claire Boucher Vancouver raised artists who emerged with a couple of records in two thousand and ten got signed a four d a big signing for them and came out with the visions in two thousand twelve which won a Juno award in her native Canada. She started out as a bedroom. Artis making all these sounds on her computer vocals etc. She continues to run the self contained. Grimes Empire she composes. Performs produces handles all the artwork. The apex of that was art. Angels in two thousand fifteen swung harder in the direction of Pop music a nod to what was going on at the pop charts but again putting her own spin on. It was one of the best albums of two thousand fifteen as far as I was concerned as far and I believe you Jim Carey challenging the hand that had champion her saying Mariah Carey in her way as animal. Collective right right now. We have the follow up to our angels five years later this anthropoid seen. Here's a track from it it's called. You'll miss me when I'm not around from grimes on sound opinions bound aled. Pass your miss me when I'm not around grimes on Miss Anthropoid. This is a dense and complicated and multi-layered record greg. You know the first couple of times I was listening. I was not paying attention to the lyrics initially and was just getting lost in these as usual dense enveloping sometime sensual sometimes threatening soundscape that she is so good at creating mostly electronic and then sudden shift in the middle of the record within the cruise to Qatar comes in. That's like wow are. What is she doing this? It turns out is a record misanthrope. The scene is a character of earth goddess earth the goddess of climate change and grimes as usual is playing a role much like bjork. I think an obvious role model thing on different personas she is this like mangga super heroine. Who wants to be head with a giant sword weaker than her with those who would destroy this planet at the same time again and the lyrics are sparse right. It's as much you get these the feeling of the stories from the music as the words at the same time. Let's face it You know if you were lucky enough to drive a Ferrari might be nice to take it up to a hundred and ten around the racetrack. So it is. This and relationships can be like that they can be toxic but they can also be very alluring so when his grimes talking about relationships and romance and when is she talking about mother? Earth being destroyed. By? Let's face it. It would be fun to be able to fly to the moon or or or drive that race car right It's a really complicated record that rewards the time you spend with it. Yeah I I agree. I think this record Experimental I mean she could have done a follow up to our angels and I think everybody would have been thrilled with that of there was so much there and then you put this on and you kind of the first few tracks are kind of you go. This is almost like a clubby instrumental record vocals very buried in the mix thing I forgot is musically which I haven't seen people talking about a really straight forward Emphasized Middle Eastern. Yeah there's a lot of exotica on here the Bollywood Song you know. There's there's an references to like acid house. There's an eastern accent on a bunch of these songs as well You know the the tracks. It's sort of jump out. I I to me. It's it flows together in a way. That's really alluring. And then when she hits you with one of those gigantic cooks like a song like violence that we just four I am. My name is dark. they really jump out at you in a in a really inventive way. That makes it feel seamless and yet at the same time you feel this these pop elements creeping through that trek. We just played. You'll miss me when I'm not around. I keep going back to that track because I just think that is so inventive. I figured out I read some interviews song about an angel committing suicide. You know it's a it's a pop song strange one. It's got this great based group that she played apparently these intersecting vocal lines in it It's a sweet song. And then it's got this weirdness and menace to it that sort of encapsulates her appeal. You can't quite put your finger on exactly what's going on all the time and I really liked that. I mean you talk about a subversive part is does she is it. Jim and I are high on his grimes record misanthrope. Seen we were neither one of US really liked Tame Impala Rick has played and I've already forgotten him and now we're going to throw it out to the listeners. What do you think of the New Music from TAME IMPALA? Grimes give us a call at eight. Eight eight eight five nine eighteen hundred with your opinions and why coming up. We have some fun exchanging some of our all time favorite songs about animals that's intimate unsound opinions from WBZ CHICAGO NPR X. Welcome back sound opinions. I'm Jim dear. God is here with my partner Greg Kat and this week we are talking about animals in music. One of our producers Alex Claiborne is is a huge animal lover. She does dogs rescue prompted us to about horses. Awhile back now. We are doing songs about you name. It hound dogs free birds. White Rabbits Karma Chameleons. We're not going to be that obvious. I gotTa Confess Greg. I know you have had the cat in your house when I've been hearing it nearly kills me. I am so allergic to cat and dog hair but I love the idea of animals and I certainly love songs about animals. You're going to start off. We're GONNA go back and forth. I am indeed Jim. I want to start us off with Lowell. George Song The great songwriter for little feat. dixie chicken from the nineteen seventy-three little feat album their third record. The location of the song is Memphis but the sound is pure New Orleans. A lot of it has to do with bill pains piano playing the song. I love the vibe on this song You know the concept is simple. It's a time honored one doomed romance with the Southern Bell. The FEM fatale she seduces him ran runs off with all his money. And another man Meanwhile the line that recurs throughout the song he she seduces him by saying. If you'll be my dixie chicken. I'll be your Tennessee Lamb. So we got a couple of animal references and then sold that is so southern when we can walk together down in. Dixieland you know you think about the little little names that couples have reach my little lamb chop and you know honeybear. Forgive me. Now I haven't but One day and and here we have sort of an example of that and you know the end. The twist at the end is that you know. A poor lowell. George Wanders into a bar heartbroken about this woman. Who Done him wrong? And he's sitting down at the bar and every guy at the bar is singing the refrain for this course so you know. He is the latest in a long line of people who have been a run out. On by this fatal. So I loved the song it's funny self deprecating. Got A hook that lasts for years. Dixie chicken by Little Feat Unsound Opinions Hey like man who dixie chicken by little feat. Greg's first Great Animal Song Art Greg. I'm GONNA share Having just alienated a significant portion of our audience. By saying I I am definitely allergic to animals. Therefore I haven't ever lived with any there wasn't exception My Stepdad who love deeply. Who gave me my first set of drums Had this German shepherd named Shep. This dog was the size of a small horse. Hanaway two hundred pounds and had that. Wow German shepherd main you know I mean it was like like a foot deep. He decided he was gonna live in my bedroom in the basement. And you know I like consistently lay on my bed if I was on the couch. Read and he's going to lay on me. I I had trouble breathing and seeing the is would swell but I love this dog. The dog was so lovable and my Stepdad. Used to play folk Guitar at the at the folk mass on Sunday right any played play guitar in class. He was a science teacher. He would play old shep because his dog was named. Shep now this is one of the most storied songs in the history of popular music. Red Foley writes it in nineteen thirty three about a dog. He loved when he was a kid. Who was poisoned by a neighbor Initially he was calling. The dog's name was hoover that didn't work right. Shop is a much better name and this is a sad song. I'm sorry people I you know. I don't believe in spoiler alert. It's hard enough to be a good critic without re shepherd is in the shop gets sick and he has to put to sleep. Okay and old SHEP goes if there's a heaven there's one thing I know old. Shep has a wonderful home. Now this is a classic tearjerker and it can be Maudlin. There have been about seven thousand recorded versions of this Some great ones red. Foley's is pretty good and hank snow and Hank Williams and Johnny cash even the Everley brothers with garrison keillor but Elvis Presley at age ten in his first public performance. Elvis young Elvis dressed as a cowboy has to stand on a chair to reach the microphone at the Mississippi Alabama Fair and dairy show and he sings old. Shep he later. Performance at a talent show that he wins he only came in fourth or fifth that first time and it becomes a staple. It'd be like all the way through Vegas you know and it's always a tear jerker and it's more than happy. I don't know if it's good but damn it's GonNa make me cry. It always makes me cry. It makes me think that Damn German shepherd it also used to like to like put its head in my bass drum as I was trying along with ramones records anyway. This one goes out to shop. All shocked by Elvis on sound opinions off was loose over stray. Just had his work to get him Aw butto was right. Ooh As fast role his last. Groom an Juan I can do more for you both chef by Elvis Presley. We're all a little misty eyed Verdun ships doggy heaven. Well you got a song about a dog. I'm GonNa do a song about a coyote. Joni Mitchell's coyote from the GIRO L. From nineteen seventy six Joni on electric and acoustic guitars with The fretless Bass by one Jaakko pet story. This was Janis move into a more open ended jazz terrain. This is the lead off track from that record the The title character the Coyote in native American Lore a character with divine powers. But also a trickster and you know Joni literary genius says like Joni She. She is You know fixing one of her lovers in into that space of the coyote the trickster with the divine powers some have speculated that this song is about one of her lovers. Sam Sheppard The playwright and an intern Joni Understands what she's up against here she understands. She's onto this guy. He's got his number. They're opposites they recognize that they also recognize that. Hey It's kind of fun to have this momentary tryst but it's never it's never going to last between the two and she's on onto that before he is. He can't seem to let go. Meanwhile he's eyeing the other women in the room and she is saying you know I'm moving on many of Joni Mitchell's songs. Explore this aspect of a relationship about this sort of danced. They're doing And this is one of the most brilliant ones in the personification of the coyote she takes on the persona of the Hawk at the end. The Hawk was up was up about playing with him. The Coyote was jumping straight up and making passes. There's a line from the song that says that so. You have a number of animal metaphors here for this relationship in coyote by Joni Mitchell and sound opinions. Such different sets a circumstance. I'm adding studios. You'll be brushing booed. The Sun is out there just to the bone. I still feel so still stations in summary hitting saying you just picked up a hitch. Freezing soften in the middle of past tragedy house was playing chicken and shake it up floor the next thing. I know that Kinda depends that is Joni Mitchell with coyote. Unsound Opinions. Jim You've got another song about animals for us. I'm going to an all time. Classic Greg. Nineteen sixty five wooly bully. Yeah by Domingo's otherwise known. As Sam Sam the sham and the Pharaohs this is another goofiest songs in the history of popular music recorded at the recording studio. Sam Phillips Built in Memphis After moving out of the original son so another SAM PHILLIPS ELVIS CONNECTION THERE. It was a huge hit. The only one Sam Little Red Riding Hood to write. That was another one that he had nothing. Nothing came Close to topping the charts like this did for consistent period of time and it's all ripped off right. It is a re write of one thousand nine hundred sixty two song called hully gully now and You know hully Gully Willie Bullying. You know how he is. Obviously a dance Willy bully may or may not be a dance. It's also an animal I love the way. Domingo Sam counts down nor does threaten squadron and gets into. There's only six lines of lyric. And they're all absurd. Mattie told Hatty about a thing she saw had two big horns and a wooly jaw but will he believes also a dance. You know. Let's not be l seven. Sam Sings come and learn to dance what he dancing your dance and the Willie bullied presumably. You put the horns on your head and you get all kinds of Harry and you dance around. I mean this. Is You know when you think that it came out in sixty five it pre-stages the great era of nuggets garage. Rock breaks sixty seven. And it's just it's raw. It's it's it's a rip-off it's derivative it's stupid S. T. O. P. I. D. And it's absolutely brilliant and timeless rock and roll doesn't get much better than wooly bully on sound. Why do line do acquiesced you boy? Oh Man Sam the sham and the Pharaohs gotTa Love It. Wally bully coming up. We've got more tracks than animals and Greg will bid farewell to the late guitarist for Mazzy Star Opel and the Rain Parade David Robak. That's in a minute on sound opinions from WBZ CHICAGO NPR ex off got a little red rooster to Laze Kroll Roost to laze crow for D. He keeps everything in the upset way. Welcome back to San Opinions. I'm Greg Kat. He's Jim de regardless and today we're talking about songs about animals so from an expert. I'M GONNA take it down to the farm specifically animal farm The Great George Orwell distortion allegory from nineteen forty-five when his great novels of the Twentieth Century? I was glad to see you pick this track because you know the temptation is pink. Floyd's animals right. You know it's all very right to obvious yes You know I have to say the dead Prez debut album. Let's get free in two thousand is a classic and this song is on it and it gives you a sense of what the entire Almaz about. There's a lot of political social commentary on here. These guys were pretty radical. You know public enemy was the most radical band of its era dead. Prez certainly Held a prize in the in the two thousands and taking the the Orwell Book and writing a song around it It it basically revolves around this idea of the animals on the farm rebelling against their human masters and taking over the farm and then in turn you know getting a little bit of a superiority complex themselves to the point where the leader Hannibal in the song. One of the biggest of the pigs that takes over the farm decides. I'm going to be the leader. I'm going to be the guy running the place and everybody else turns on goes. Wait a minute. That's not what we bargained for talking about like a socialist thing going on here. This isn't GonNa Work Pal. It sounds so earlier they end up taking Hannibal apart. Literally limb by Limb and serving and serving them up at the market at the end of the Bracket has a song. Exactly not a happy end for Hannibal. But basically saying that there's very little difference between the animals and the man you can't tell them apart and just just a very cynical view of human nature By Dead Prez Animal In man unsound opinions. Once upon a time there was a very serious situation does a farmer and a farmyard. Still this is the story of Thurston. Sammy had faults. Walked the land with the wife. Almost lifeless maintain off the day before meals and failed to the cattleman kept on his table. Maxi WanNA thought. He was disabled from the way he'd be relaxing acting like Mr magnificent but the Hannibal was thinking something. Different assesment was tension in the ball. And y'all throughout the years they had been followed his bond and now came to one conclusion that will be if only cost leftist rebels who was understandable to sister pigs promises of all animals. They plan to full attacks under the leadership. Hannibal the fattest pig in the past the next morning on fall this call before dawn but before long the son does so hot and make the false seem electric check. This guy to ratchet by the animals attack all sandwich and a state of shock and fellow phone backdrops rightful reaching in vain each and retreat your former field Philippine advance food animal and man by Dead Prez moving and deep pick by Greg. I'm going to go to the absurdist Craig. I bet you don't know this song. L. Cool J's deepest blue in Peron's Shark's Fin. Okay nine thousand nine hundred ninety nine. There is a horrible movie called Deep Blue Sea. I've seen it at least three times. It comes on cable and it is truly an awful movie. It's an early. Cgi animatronic movie. Yeah not only do. We have killer sharks. I mean jaws had done that decades before right but now the killer. Sharks have been somehow genetically mutated to become rising. Ious killer sharks and they terrorize among others. Samuel L. Jackson who has waited all the time whether he's fighting animatronic sharks snakes on a plane. Michael Rapaport and ll Cool J. movie so he can only be in the movie. This is the height of the multimedia. Hollywood conglomerate also owns record labels so therefore put the put the tracks on so ll. Cool J. Actually writes and records to songs for this but deepest Blue Shark's Fin. I mean this is the sharks fans his hat. He keeps telling us like ladies love. Cool James I'm going to underscore this but I don't know if there had have been worse rhymes in the history of hip hop Manmade Tara hungry jaws of death. Y'All don't cross my depths. I'll pause your breaths 'cause I'll sync you down forty thousand leagues bleeding to death with arms and short sleeves James James. What he doing you lousy movie Lousy Song and yet I love it every time I hear it and I get sucked into that movie every time. We'll just terrific in that movie. It's just funny as heck. He's like the coke right and climb right here. He's trying to get and the sharks. They basically like walk around. It makes no sense at local. James saw Lewis sought by five Talk Sports Forty League. We offer free Tillis easy to look for reflections matete fever Barracuda's they rather not create a deal. White sweep boom think thinks of Ram thrilled related. You eliminated godless. Three on the adult may thin Spain L. L. J. Deepest Blue Shark's Fin. I'm sorry I love it. I I do recall that movie for me so I you know L. With the little canary on his shoulder running away from the shark. It's just hilarious. Run away from either My next track Jim is from is going to be from the Great Neneh Cherry Buffalo stance of her first big single from one thousand nine hundred ninety eight the one that established her as a major artist at which he continues to be as far as I'm concerned Animal Reference Right Buffalo stance. What it it. It's a metaphor again street slang metaphor for a certain kind of attitude There was a there was a group of photographers models musicians artists that she was hanging around with. Who Sort of adopted this hard defiant street-smart attitude in the way. They were doing everything in the way they were hanging out in the street corner with the clothes they wore kind of music they liked and it's basically a stance the buffalo stance is a stance is. Don't mess with me you know. Yeah the Buffalo stance from what I can gather arms folded a Lotta side. I define attitude. You know projecting this kind of idea that we're going to be independent. You'RE NOT GONNA YOU'RE NOT GONNA move us off this mark Caribbean expression that talks about rude boys and rebels. People who are who are tough you know but but have a a defiant attitude but also framed around the idea of art is important and being yourself is extremely important and I think that's been a calling card for Neneh Cherry. Her entire career begun her career with a more self referential song that she has lived out for the last few decades this cherry with buffalo stance from one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. I'm sound opinions. Ladies and gentlemen. I'd like to introduce the hi hat. Good Pam right now off hanging out certain running North Manhattan Global. Where can be a four? We always yes. Dj Cherry Buffalo Stance. Jim You've got one more song for us on sound opinions. That Is about animals yet. One More Greg You know we could have gone in a million directions as a million songs. We could do this show four five times a year and Alex would be happy loving animals. I wanted to go to the white album by the Beatles because There's let's face it. You Know Rocky Raccoon blackbird. Everybody's got something high except for me and my monkey But that also seemed as obvious going to pink Floyd's animals and I wanted to Revisit one of the greatest stories I think One of the most important albums in so many ways in the history of popular music period. You tell the story excellently in your book ripped. The grey album is a masterpiece that many people never heard that that was never officially released that the powers that be in the old school music industry tried to stamp out and that Nevertheless is brilliant and everybody should listen to it. danger mouse. Brian Burton one of the most influential producers of the last two decades. Does this mash up in two thousand and four of the Acapella Just rhyming tracks of Jay Z's blackout. With from the Beatles white album it becomes the grey album Serpa McCartney in Ringo Starr NJ Z. All love it. They applaud it. They think it's brilliant but The corporate powers-that-be at em. I tried to shut it down. I'm surprised to see that it streaming now and maybe killed that by mentioning Brian. Burton is not only an incredibly talented musical ear. But he is a conceptualist and he said at the time a lot of people just thought I was taking some Beatles and throwing some Jay Z on top of it but there were conceptual pairing and deep connections between witch Beatles samples he chose and which Jay Z raps. He put them with and I think The song change clothes which is a pretty successful song on Jay's terms on the blackout I've always heard it as a song about fronting or posing Trying to seem tough but at the same time he is posing and tie right. I mean there's a shout out In their new I ain't a new Jack. Nobody GonNa Wesley Snipes Me Right. But as exactly what he's doing he's being a tough guy. Meanwhile pairing it with that delightfully and Akron Mystic Harpsichord from piggies by George Harrison seem piggies in and for big as getting off. Have you seen the little piggies playing in dirt? Which is a haunting song for any number of reasons? It's obviously a rather dated very nineteen sixty eight critique of capitalism but of course what it became courtesy of the Manson family and and the exact opposite in terms of a pure Harrison and turning into utter evil darkness. And you know what is the pig who is the pig? And what are these characters that Jay is wrapping about Plus it's just like a great listen. Here is the version of change clothes from the grey album by danger mouse on sound opinions. His back may follow to back expressed rest troop that care. What you lewd fish. Fast piece check squatting semester. Likely that the outright right I need to speak what Nelson one on the change clothes by. Jay Z with the Beatles. Courtesy of danger mouse. Brian Burton on the grey album. Man That track as always we want to hear from you. Have you forgotten about the gray out? What do you make of it? What is your favorite song about animals? Why call us at eight? Eight eight eight five nine thousand nine hundred and leave us. A message pose the That is fade into you from Mazzy Star. We're playing it in tribute to David Robak. Who Died February Twenty Fourth of cancer? He was a CO songwriter on that song With Hope Sandoval the lead vocalist in in the span of what seemed like six years there in the eighties and early nineties. He was in three really influential bands beginning with the rain parade last year. We did an entire show on the in the Paisley Underground Movement of which rain parade was part Where we talked about this movement in California was sort of framed around the whole idea of updating the virtues of psychedelic rock from the sixties and bringing it into the contemporary vernacular of Guitar Music and they had a brilliant debut album on which David played with his brother. Stephen left soon. After that debut was released at to form another band called Opel with Kendra Smith who was in another paisley underground band. The dream sending out and that record has not been available for quite some time though. I understand that it is about to be reissued which is great news for people. Who HAVE THAT RECORD? I still have my my vinyl version of it. Happy Nightmare baby from eighteen. Eighty seven Again star-crossed career here because Opal broke up soon. After Kendra Smith left the band in the middle of the tour. Hope Sandoval came on board at that point and then she and David Robak Went on to do Mazzy Star. That's where things really started to happen for the band. The detract we just played fade into. You was a huge huge. Hit In nineteen ninety-three From their second album and JIM WOULD. I recall about that song at that time was how out of step it seemed with all the other alternative rock quote unquote that was happening at the time on the Charts. American variety but what was happening in the UK courtesy of creation. Some of them. I mean ran pop. That stuff doesn't happen without Robak and the and the Paisley underground bands and now. They are in stepping in the alternative. Were they have a hit? They bring it back. Full Circle Right You know everybody sort of focuses on that Second Record so tonight that I might see that produced That song and with good reason. It's a great song. It holds up incredibly well. Actually went broke into the top fifty so it was. It was a hit But I love love. Love the Mazzy Star debut album from nineteen ninety. She hangs brightly. Robak and hope. Santhal continued to collaborate through the years. They had a huge long break. Between records. They stopped making records in the mid nineties. Then picked up again with a two thousand thirteen release. According to rollback they never stopped recording and never stopped making music. They just didn't choose to release it so they were back on You know whatever you WANNA call it the reunion trail the comeback trail. They were still making music. Robak unfortunately died at the age of sixty one but he leaves behind a great body of work. The debut album from Mazzy Star. I still hang my hat on that one. It's called. She hangs brightly. And here's the first track from it. Hala from Mazzy Star and David Rollback on sound opinions. Sad shy go through the door and ask own navio excuse close. Nah He'll ask surprise. Mom Do stay Missing to close the door a say Halla by Mazzy Star on sound opinions in tribute to David. Robak dead at the age of sixty one. Greg what do we have on the show next week Jim? Next week a classic album dissection of one of our favorite albums of all time outcasts Stankonia for more sound opinions. Listened to the PODCAST. Wherever you find such things as always the show has been produced by Brennan Band Alex Clayborn ionic contributors and Andrew Gill Disturb out a sound opinions. Everyone's a critic so now it's time to hear what you have to say new messages. Hi this is Patty. I live in Washington DC. I just doesn't a year show about songs about time and my favorite song about time and particularly her time goes slow. When you're working is the magnificent seven by the clash found the Sandinista album and tell the story of a guy just barely making it through his day. Folks the lyrics of Kwok's go slow in a place of work minute drag and the hours jerk and I was felt like that song and plant down the best songs. Would you having a really bad day at work? Take it easy. Love your show by. This IS TAI calling from Cleveland Ohio. My favorite song about time is by the bengals hazy. A winter is not even close second to it. That song expresses clearly that does the third type of woman male to probably but in this case of the woman because Susan singing talking about how she was so sofa door wishy wish he thought he wanted out of light and not as you clearly want something different as Vadim faulk indirectly too late winner. 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Episode 272: Brian Benjamin On His Run For New York City Comptroller

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Episode 272: Brian Benjamin On His Run For New York City Comptroller

"Dan we'll get to oversee. New york city's billions. I'm jared murphy from city limits dot org. Hey and this maximum got the music how you doing today doing. Well yourself ben not too bad. Too bad It is safe to say that It is a crazy and intense time in new york politics. Yes just say. I'm riding the wave but also fairly overwhelmed by all that's going on and all that we have to cover and dive into enjoying it. But it's also there's just a tremendous amount going on. It's almost the end of january. We've got the primaries coming up in june. There's obviously the government side of things going on. There's the continued battle against covid. Nineteen in the vaccination effort. And then there's this Unbelievably busy and important new york city election season. That's that's underway indeed and we'll be trying to fill in some of those blanks and color and so those spaces today by having onto more candidates who are running to be the city's chief financial officer bought be city comptroller. That says senator bryan benjamin and then david weapons so the had Brad lander and kevin parker already on the show or the podcast to other major democrats. Running there are others in the race including a new name just in the past twenty four hours right ben. Yeah zach iskoe who we had on the show As a mayoral candidate has decided to stop his quest to be The leader of city government as the mayor and is dropping into the controller race So that's a. That's an interesting new wrinkle And there's other candidates Sort of percolating with the campaign finance board and possibly jumping into the race as well. That's including michelle caruso cabrera who recently challenged repressive alexandria. Ocasio cortez for congress. She's filed with the campaign finance board. Possibly jump into this new york city controller race in. So it's getting more interesting. We've had kind of these. Four main candidates All of whom are current officeholders at the city or state level aubanel. It's getting a little more crowded a little more interesting and of course. This is the role of city controller. Which doesn't get a lot of attention either in government or in election season but is immensely important as a citywide office and a major check on the mayoral administration and a major steward of the city's finances major office incredibly important place with real substantive power and a stepping stone to if not become mayor lease run for one of our top candidates. This year is got stringer. Who spent the past eight years or seven years. I should say as city comptroller so yeah. It's a very important post and yes we've recently Just in the past hour. So city limits dot org created a new guide to the race and we did have to add a few names at the last minute with some of these kind of late later rivals and some of these candidates when we didn't know very much about and we're starting to learn more about You know i'm happy. We're talking with these candidates for city controller. Folks should definitely find the interviews that we've done with brad lander and kevin parker in recent weeks. And now we've got two more controller candidates on the show today that i'm excited to talk with and the has office was in the news this week in a very important way talking about fossil fuel divestment that something that the mayor and comptroller stringer committed to a couple of years ago They needed time to explore what that would mean for pension funds because the fans are primarily there to pay retirement benefits to people who worked for the city for years but the announcement this week that actually three now three of the city's five pinching funds have agreed to divest some four point. One billion dollars in stock From fossil fuel reserves companies which is a particular kind of designation and put that money into other investments including green investments to try to get the same return You know kind of example of the way that the comptroller through what to the entrance is seems like a kind of boring set of bureaucratic responsibilities can really in some pretty substantive policy areas. So that's something that you'll hear all contra candidates talk about one thing that is interesting to see especially with people in the race like brad lander who is noted policy wonk and a guy who has had a lot of hand a lot of different Progressive policy dishes is how people want to use the office kind of beyond the pure financial aspects to come the job under the new york city charter weighing into things like housing and even criminal justice reform on this something that if you listen to our previous interviews. We'll be talking with two candidates today. Certainly if you're looking at those candidates that's something interesting to see. Not just what. Their ideas are. But how they intend to use the mechanisms of the comptroller's office to achieve them. We've reported on how comptroller stringer has proposed. A lot of very interesting policy over his years dozens of ideas Many of them are ideas that he was unable to directly. Act on himself. Some he was and some he got The mayor to do. But it's interesting role for this a position to be proposing policy without a lot of direct control over city agencies but significant financial powers in terms of investment reviewing contracts the other aspects of the job. It's very interesting. I mean i think you know Having the city controller put out policy plans is fairly helpful as long as they're doing the core responsibilities of the job well and you know we We'll have to pick this conversation up. You and i another time jerry. I'm interested in your take on whether you know. The sort of shareholder activism is the right approach and whether divestment from fossil fuel companies is the right approach. You know there's people like state controller. Tom to napoli who has recently moved bit on this. But who has felt like you know you. Your first priority is the fiduciary responsibility the pension holders. And then also you know very often You can make significant impact as activist investor by using your leverage and not necessarily divesting but but using your shareholder leverage to make change at companies. So you know. There's a lot of different dynamics here that will get into with the city controller candidates whose opinions no offense or more important than yours and mine and we'll get you know. Get their take very soon here from from two candidates for city controller about some of these issues then. So let's bring on our first guest this week Is state senator bryan. Benjamin who is a democratic candidate for new york city controller. State senator benjamin. Thanks for joining us here. On max and murphy how are you doing well. Thank you for having me Thanks for taking the time. So you're jumped into this race for city controller. Last time we spoke you were on this program. it was a little bit before In the months before things really got going this election cycle we were talking about the devastation of covid and how to address the state finances and all that and now fast forward several months in the or in the new year. Here you're into this race. That's fast approaching in june Tell tell our listeners. Why you wanna be city controller or you know thank you for having me. First of all you know the first responsibility. The comptroller is to protect the pensions of the retiree. I'm the only candidate running. Who has relevance investment management experience to help make sure that our and our pension funds fable and that we don't provide more resources from the city's budget to how to help To the to the pension fund last year of ten billion dollars. Ten billion dollars that was provided in the city contribution. That number is slated to go up because we didn't hit the seven percents Hurdle rate they're supposed to this past year we. It was at four point four percent. We need to control of who actually Have the investment management experience qualified to help oversee two hundred thirty billion dollars pension funds. Also we need a contractor who can beat out waiting. The city's budget. And i am the best person qualified to do that as well. I presently chair of the budget. And revenues committee sit on the finance committee and the senate Have been a community. Board member harlem shared the community board spent years looking at education public housing. All the key issues. That you worry about In in in my district they are are. They are here in live in wealth. I have the background to understand the issues. I have financial financial experience to help manage the pension fund. And then i also have the sort of public policy experience to help make sure that we can hold the city accountable. Hold up mayor accountable to see council accountable to protect every single dollar because as we are coming out of covid we have to make sure that every dollar spent and it's focused on outcomes not just focused. We got something accomplished whether or not led to the caucus. We need say a little bit more about what that investment Experience was that was You haven't been in the state senate that long you've had more private sector of career Before moving to the state senate a little bit more though about what that that private sector experience was in how it prepares you for this role. Oh great question. So i just to give a context you know i was one right here in harlem Went to school from k. To twelve Brown university right major of public policy. Harvard business school where. I majored Focus on investment management and left Been school and spent some time And morgan stanley. Where i would in the best in vancouver for few years and spent a few years to private wealth management helping endowments and a large institutions sort of manage their their retirement assets. And i was actually There at the time when the two thousand eight crisis hit and there was a lot of concerns about asset allocation manager selection portfolio diversification and. I really learned in the private sector. How you construct the best portfolio that not only mirror. The need them and desires of the actual retirees. In this case the pension the pension fund Of retiree who care these five hundred funds but also making sure that you're providing them with adequate returns that they need in order to succeed. We have a defined benefit programs Here which means that everyone. These are laid to receive a certain amount of a certain amount of capital. We have to make sure that the funds are functioning. And i don't know how someone who has no finance experience. No experience in the best management is qualified to manage twenty and thirty billion dollars I think it's dangerous Thing to do particularly in a time like this we need to pension plans to Be mack the michael turns me mcilroy live so that is less obligation from the city the contributions to the pension fund. That's a very important issue. It doesn't get as much attention as Sort of the ma- the holding the city accountable piece of the job is very important holding the nypd accountable etcetera. We do have to make sure though that we talk about the first order of business which is the two hundred and thirty billion dollars and how it's being managed for retirees and also to protect new york city do know from the outside and i know sometimes it's a little bit challenging before you really Have gotten under the hood here though. I think some of this is possible. While you're running you have a sense as to what is wrong with the you know. The current approach that you would change in the role to to invest those funds to garner a better returned. You have a sense of whether it's philosophical approach or actually a strategic approach that you would take that would change things. They're so good question. I've talked to a number of different trustee boards. They are a couple of different concerns around how long it takes from when an investment is approved to an investment implemented that. I wanted to see that and understand that better I do think though you know. I'm on the border brown. And i spent a lot of times. Investment committee and brown university's endowment had had very strong returns year over year for the last ten years twelve percent return of the last ten years last year twelve percent to some very phenomenal Sort of Returns and part of the the the the premises you wanna i talk about sort of asset allocation and how you look at which Sort of ask. The classes are looking to do well the next year or two or three eight new you almost have to be sort of a generalist about about as opposed to having a very rigid. This is the sort of avocation that we employ which is thirty percent equity this percents fixed-income this percent. But you do something a little more fluid and then you focus very heavily on manager selection trying to make sure you get the right people who have unique experiences and skills that can help Provide outside returns for the for the For the retirees. I think that's an important piece. But i will say to you. I think there's a second piece to this. Which is this is a public pension fund. You are living in new york city where we have some key crises that we can invest in which not only create a good return that uncalled correlated with the markets but provide an important value for society for example affordable housing. I used to build the portable housing before becoming a senator in the private sector. These are adequate returns. Definitely over seven percent. But if you've been if you focused on making sure that we have a strategic plan in new york city where we're building affordable housing for those who need it at the income levels that pliers you will generate a good return for the retirees and provide an important public benefit. We have over six hundred thousand years before housing that is needed is clear we already know it. But we're not looking at the city strategically to say ledge forgot how we're going to housing cross the city and every community has to be involved. No community can say what we don't want affordable housing here because we have. We have different rules. That were that were trying to ourself and you can also look at permanent supportive housing because we spent over six thousand dollars a month for a family and a temporary permit temporary shelter over three thousand an individual. There was no rain. You can't convince me that we can't figure out a system where the towels that have real issues. We can have the controllers Resources investment fund be part of a plan to acquire somebody's hotels and convert them into permanent supportive housing. That's the kind of thing where you can provide good returns for the for those hirees while dealing with the public service need. That's a win win. And those are the kinds of things that i believe. I would look at it as controlling anyone who would wanna be. It should be looking at because we should be trying to figure out how to deal with our public policy and a need while at the same time providing adequate return for for our pension. And i'm only one. But with that experience i think is boring to bring that up. Yeah no thank you for outlining that. So so speaking of your personal experience though you also Last summer joined the board of directors of a company. And that's that's caused a little bit of a kerfuffle here in the race. Do you wanna explain to to folks. What role you took on. And why in your estimation it's okay to take on a new outside role outside of your your government role whether you're state senator. Running for city controller either way You know y you made the decision and why you think that that. That's okay sure. So last year. I was asked to Sit on the board of a special purpose entity that is not that. It's almost out of canada to look at potential of acquisitions of companies that are not affiliated with new york. I went into the near legislative. at commissioned. i brought up the the the request. I'm quite frankly. I was after joining this board too old to look at these acquisitions. Because of my investment management experience because they thought i was good at analysing but that aside i went to the nearest athletes commission taught them monthly issue. Broke it down to them. They said they issued a comprehensive opinion that it was no conflict of interest in any way of me joining the board. And and i move forward. I made sure that the companies are looking at were in no way shape or form involved with any businesses that were against my values promoters lending nothing of the sort and that is that is what i what i have Have done. i don't leave it the conflict of interest because the after the legislative ethics commission that it wasn't and in no way is any of the business the that are being looked at In new yorker excetera ourselves. I feel very very comfortable with that vision and Just your decision to do. It is this. You know this is Another good experience free. I mean sort of wife. I you know you outlined why they would come to you for some expertise. Why why do it for me at the time. I thought And i still do. You know analyzing investments looking at potential opportunities. That's gonna happen experienced than i thought it would. It would be helpful. thing for me to reduced that off i hadn't been seen in the private sector in that capacity in in a long time and i thought it would be something that would be a positive experience for me and away from me to to participate in in This opportunity and that's why i they're doing and knowing that it was not in any way on an unethical. I got the commissions opinion That's what i looked to do it. So let's come back to you know looking looking ahead to the role of city controller. You mentioned earlier that one of the most important role you know. Parts of the job is the audit function his overseeing city. Spending talk about how you approach. That part of the job auditing city agencies monitoring the city budget Are there things that you would do differently than we've seen previous controllers do are there City agencies that you taken a special interest in that you don't think you've been paid enough interest in or you think there's really a lot of You know sort of waste or or other problems. How would you approach that oversight function. Thank you very much. You know one of the things. I think I would like to have as part of my legacy is that i audit issues. That are concerned. And then i turn those off into recommendations that can then be advocated for then hopefully implemented and. I think there are a couple of places that i really wanna focusing on On day one one is. I'd like to look at Housing and economic development. I feel very strongly Particularly timeout a co bid. A we have to look at our public housing. We have to look at you. Know how money's being spent there. And i would like to have an assistant controller for housing and economic development. Who would really kind of look at This conversation across the timeline working with the different age the different of Bureaus across the process. O'connell of like a relationship manager over these topics. I think that is one. Secondly like to do A similar thing for education. I really believe that we have to look at education. In a in a in a unique way we are able to educate people in manhattan in at a certain neighborhoods In in the wealthier communities but not able to educate them on the in the poor communities and these in the public schools. Why is that. what are the dynamics. I want someone just sort of really oversee that and how would go from audit to Implementation right across the board. And then i believe very strongly that the new york police department has to be Looked at bir seriously. We need police accountability. It is it's one of the biggest issues that are that as foot. The we're facing right now We are completely concerned about a systematic racism racial equity. You can't have that conversation without talking about the police department. So i want to audit the police department budget and and boot up the way that is not helping us get a public safety so i wanted to have control the public safety where the with the main event. It's not more law enforcement only for public safety. It is more public safety so whatever the right size of the police department that should be the case but if you also look at mental how look at Sort of workforce development small business services. We have to look at you know the range of issues that had pat colby safety. And that's what i'm committed to doing do do have you weighed in do you think From your stance at this point the there was this big question around the size of the nypd budget It's been roughly a six billion dollar operating budget annually though there's other costs related to Benefits capital costs Settlements do you have a stance on what you think the right-sized Nypd budget would be. I understand that that. I believe that the the budget definitely needs to be funded What i do what. I feel like we need to do though is we need to have a thorough audits. Should be very clear about what needs to be funded because it's not essential for public safety and for me my frustration with the conversation right now is people just throwing out numbers and no one's starting with the facts are driving the numbers. So we'll exactly is the roughly six billion dollars. How is that being spent. What is it being spent on. We should have full auditing that so that we can then say okay. Wait a second. This part doesn't make sense. That part doesn't make sense. This part doesn't make sense that partisan make sense and oh by the way we should take this part of that part and we should put it someplace else over here. We'd better spent doing some something else or some cases instead of you know Using law enforcement for mental health related cases. We should have another approach. I think i think it needs to be into agency conversation around public safety. And i don't feel the need to just throw out numbers for political Political point. I think it's important for the control chief. Financial officer of the city to be the person who will lays out all the facts but at least we can fight over the fact as opposed to fighting over twitter and talking length. And who's who's just sounding more exciting This is serious business. There real people by mistake you know just the other day in harlem. We had a situation where young woman Almost how to i've bitten out So we've got real issues across. The city does need to be addressed but at the same time. We don't want situations where we have george floyd whether there needs people's next right so we have to handle all. This is a complicated issue but that that is why it needs to be handled seriously and start with the budget outline and then we can have serious people have serious conversations around what the very and what is not necessary public. Think that whatever ends up from that analysis. That's number i support. I think we're going to have to leave it there. State senator bryan benjamin. We really appreciate the time. It's good to hear about your platform for city controller. We're now here in january with the primary ahead in june. So we'll certainly be asking you to join us again. Is the race really heats. Up in more and more people are paying attention. thankfully to To interviews like this and all the other appearances that that you're making in the work You and your fellow competitors are doing on the campaign trail so thanks. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you for your time. I very much appreciate it all right. Take care iran.

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S1:E17  Tame Impala

Soundrise Podcast

41:50 min | 9 months ago

S1:E17 Tame Impala

"You're listening to sunrise. Rice podcast show hosted by Alex in Serbia and Vodka in Poland each week we cover different artists tour band and engage in an open and spontaneous debate and discussion about specific parts of their discography. Our goal is to expand their musical horizons and cover. A great range of artists and styles I know some patron Patriot dot com slash, stanway, spot and social media at sound way spot. Hello everyone welcome to another episode of sound Rice podcast so today we're going to talk about a very interesting and unique act Alexander. How are you doing? Doing great but I guess that you're doing better than me. At the moment of recording this episode, it's Ladas Birthday so. The listeners, we always thank you for Being with US and Supporting US but now. Join me in wishing him a very happy birthday. Thank you so much. Alexander so today I'm finally facing my own mortality, because I'm thirty six so slowly coming. To middle-aged. To being middle aged. Not The best thing in the world, but I'll survive. Okay so. Alexander. What can you tell us about today's band? Tame? Impala from Australia. Okay so this van as you said is a nause band formed in two, two, thousand and seven by Kevin Parker. This is actually a one man project. and. This act or this project should should we say emerged in two thousand and seven as a home recording project where Kevin Posts, a number of his solo tracks on my space, the infamous social media website that. I don't think it's popular. That's hot. Shani more Kevin had previously been in numerous bands. That were part of the Perth music scene, but he also decided to do his his own staff, which is obviously TAME IMPALA AND All of his Solo Work under TAME IMPALA brought interest from a number of labels and a number of. A number story of record labels from around the world, and then he signed a worldwide deal within the independence modular. Do Thousand and nate. And in the same year he also did some tours where he supported famous acts such as the black keys and MGM T. To name few. in two thousand nine, he released. The for his or their first single called sundown syndrome. In two thousand nine, as I, said, and the following year two, thousand and ten. He also appeared on the big day out. Festival is famous. Australian slash new, Zealand's festival where he supported well not supported, but performed alongside bands such as Muse and rise against. this act has released four studio albums so far, and then received numerous awards, both Australian, and international awards, and his second release called Lone Arisen which we're not gonNA. Talk about today received in two thousand, fourteen, a Grammy Award nomination for best. Alternative music album. Kevin Parker. The leader of this project is heavily influenced by the late sixties and early seventies. PSYCHEDELIC. Rock. which we can here in some of his work, but he also stayed at some. Pretty different influences such as shoe gaze, because he likes those loud distorted guitar riffs with ethereal sounds. And finally he also stated he's a huge fan of quote. Extremely sugary pop music such as Britney Spears and Kylie me notch. So that's so well that that's Kinda surprising. Yes that's very surprising, but I guess that our listeners I guess we have some tame. Impala, fans I guess they know and they away of this interesting mix. find what I want to say about. about this act is that? that. There's one fun fun fact. Kevin Parker in October two thousand and eighteen. He appeared on Saturday. Saturday nights live and play bass direct, portray Scots and along with the with them. was John Mayer also being part of that bent. So today we're GONNA talk about three of their four albums, and we're going to start with their debut album released in two thousand and ten called Inner Speaker Silvana. What did you think of Kevin Parker's debut album with TAME IMPALA? All right first of all I wanna say that's rather impressive resume. I didn't really know much about this guy I just nude. He's the mastermind behind this whole project. To be frank. I wasn't really familiar with TAME. Impala music before this I, heard them here and there. I remember one point I think when current came out, they were quite big. There was a lot of talk about them in the music. Press a lot of hype, so it's Nice to actually get to finally listen to this stuff and see how much of it is justified, so the first one inner speaker have to say is the one I really enjoyed. First of all. I! Love the whole atmosphere of this record. It's very similar to the sixty S. Prime Sixties PSYCHEDELIA mainly beetles. What really remind me up is the stuff that the Beatles did on magical mystery tour and of course sergeant. Pepper's lonely hearts club band. Like I was joking about it with my girlfriend said Oh, they used George Harrison's Blue Jay way as a template here and really songs kind of have a similar atmosphere. Like that track. What's really impressive about? It though is how. Will the baseline sound I love the based on this record. It just very Paul McCartney. Ask SORTA say and the cool thing is like. A modernized, and let's say an update of the Beatles sound circa sixty seven. Sixty seven and that's what I liked about it. To be frank, I feel like this is the kind of record, the needs to grow new a bit and I think the main reason why it's that way is because. The band tends to use the same effects. On almost every tracks, it's like the vocals, sound kind of similar and at one point. Everything Kinda blends together, and this is something that's characteristic for this band. All other releases as well and I find that to be a bit problematic. But on the upside, the quality of the musicianship is great. Certain songs are. Awesome especially the opening track it's not meant to be. It's like you immediately transferred back to. Nineteen sixty seven. But it's not like they're aping somebody. They really sound like their own band. You know that's that's very difficult to pull off. Combining all these influences the Beatles for example, but doing it in your own way. Another track that are really enjoyed was bowled. Arrow time because it's a very. Henry. Ask kind of jam. Stone, her like I love the guitar work there so. That's the track ban where the bench shows that they can do different things that they are. Of of changing their sound, but then I feel that they don't do it often enough, so that's my main gripe. How about you Sunder? I agree with you. Almost one hundred percent, the only disagreement is that this album sounded brilliant rights from the Gecko in my eyes and I really liked it right from the first two or three tracks. I adore the sixties testaments. This is this is the Al. this is the kind of album that's I really crave crate for so to say there are some fantastic tracks here like Jeremy. Storm, which is an instrumental track. It features a stormy base and also storming guitar. It's fantastic and I was kept to mention. Even though this is a, this is a solo project when it comes to Tours Kevin Parker. has his own team. Which which consists of dominic Jay Watson can. And, Julien Barbagallo and instruments, they use our guitars, bass, drums and synthesizer. So. They have their own team and I think that they did a fantastic job here. What can I say? I always like the sixties influences and mentions like like we had with great with Mac, you know ninety sixty nine and. The late sixties in general, just fantastic, I also agree about the base here. Really Nice baselines so. I agree with you, I definitely like this album. And to be fair kind of wish that they. Carried on doing this this stuff. Then yeah I agree with you on that one. Actually, I'm not sure I fully agree, but I found this style to be. Much more appealing at least to me then the rest of their material, however also really appreciate when bands try to do something new so. From that point of view I think. They were smart enough to try something new on the subsequent records, but yeah, I do agree that this record starts off really well. I do get lost in it. That's why I said. Dad I kind of feel that they. Repeat themselves a bit at Diane's, but there's a lot of talent here and a lot of interesting arrangements, a small instrumental sections. They even have the. False endings they end the song, and then they add something to it like a small instrumental jam. Loved it. Yeah, so that was really cool stuff so Alexander. What are your favorite tracks any favorite track? Yes before I give you my favorite tracks and Our infamously tends to ratings I. kept appraised the album cover kind of reminds me of the sixties so well down on that When, it comes to songs here. As. I said I liked instrumental Jeremy Storm. the whole album is is is very good, but if I had to pick one I would pick the second strike desire, be desire go. What about you've Lana? tough one, but I think. Bowl darrow time I. really enjoy that one even though I. think that when I revisit this record that might change because I like some other stuff to your Jeremy. Storm was a good track the first track. It's not meant to be the opening track. Excellent stuff immediately takes you back. To this Beatles sound from the famous Beatles period when they released what many people consider arguably their best material sergeant pepper's. Lonely Hearts, club, band and magical mystery tour, so if you like those records, you might find a lot to like here. But be prepared for more modern update it. Sound Yes we always appreciate what bands have that ability to change their sonic to experiment and we'll. We will definitely see it at with the rest of the. We're GONNA to talk about today. when it comes to reading. inner speaker is a well-deserved eight point five for me, and no doubt about it I will definitely go back to Salvador. Beckstrom Lana My rating would be seven point five so really good record. It does have a potential to grow on me, but right now my feeling is that it deserves seven point five. Which means that I recommend it. I think it's. It's a record that. You might want to check out especially if you like. The sound that we just described for you. The this kind of neo sixties Psychedelia if that's your cup of tea. And if you like band that are really invested in creating sonic landscapes, so to say, you may want to check out this record. All right so moving on now to the record called currency. We're skipping loaner ISM. And were jumping straits occurrence released in two thousand fifteen. A different approach different sound as you said lot. It was big in the year when it was released. It features they're. Super Big Song we all know and I think that's my first name. Policy Song ever the Leszno. The less they know, the better so might Were you around in certain venues or clubs when this album was all the rage. quite possibly. To be honest and can't recall hearing it specifically. Would I. Think is okay here. They really changed the sound. So this is not. This kind of neo sixty stuff anymore. Sure you can hear elements of that, too. But here the sound more like the stuff that you hear if you go. To An indie disco, so to say this kind of. Very. GROOVY MUSIC? Dance music in a way drenched melancholy. With these echo eve vocals. Lot of bands that kind of sound like this I think especially, I remember a few years back well, not few years back. It was more like ten years ago I went to Sweden and I went to a club in Stockholm. Was An indie rock club and indie pop in Iraq loud, which was a really cool place. You know like typical hipster place they had. Some kind of old film. Projected on the wall and there's there was a lot of music that that time was very much unknown to me. And a lot of it was very pleasant to listen to. Especially in that setting at night, there was this kind of melancholy to it. This. Yeah this type of very soothing pleasant vocals. And I really enjoyed that, and this is what current remind me off the most now that can be both a good thing and a bad thing, and I'll explain this. First of all when this record starts. You're immediately awash in these tantalizing sounds. Atmosphere sounds it's so good. That I track. Let it happen. It's such a great opener, especially the arrangement at some point. So you have this stream of saint sounds. Atmospheric sound and then they kind of slowed down own. In this. I. It's very hard to express. It slows down and pulls you. With it, you know, and then he starts singing, and it's very very beautiful. Emotionally resonant songs, so th those moments I really appreciate those moments even top the best moment of. Inner Speaker. But. Eventually as one of the titles of the songs is here. He's venture. Again becomes too uniform, and this is the same thing. That was the problem with the previous record now. Some of you may think I'm a bit of a hypocrite because I said that. Sometimes it really enjoy when a record has this unifying sound when you can immediately tell the song is from a particular record, but here insistence you right, yeah, but here it doesn't quite work so well at least for me. Because! It just feels more of the same until something hits you in a moment, a nice instrumental passage or something like that the kids you. But a lot of enjoyable tracks here, the less they know, the better eventually which I already mentioned. Very good track I really enjoyed that one especially like the lyrics times which are very introspective. I like that about carrying Parker's lyrics. But overall I think a really well crafted record very hypnotic. that. Opening track just blows me away. The second time listened to it. Almost game we chills. The rest of the record is is not. Is Not much worse than this very much consistent throughout, but sometimes it feels like I can't really take it all in at once because it sounds to uniform. How about you? What do you think? totally agree with you when it comes to your comments about in the clubs and parties thing. This album is just perfect for that kind of events. However. Overall I don't. I didn't really enjoy. This records I mean the first track. Let it happen is mind blowing. It's it's just magnificent and absolutely my. Out Trek, but to rest of the album is kind of a consistent because you have three or four songs that are. Kind of in the middle and lukewarm. Then you have the lesson of the better, which is very cool, sexy song with with a great baseline again. We're raising the base here while down on that. But after death again, you get some a petition some. Songs that kind of sound the same. So if I were to choose a party music or or I dunno gig music and Indie gig music I would definitely go with us out. But that doesn't mean that this is something tonight woods. You know enjoyed that much. So to say. So. do we again have the same standard track here which is led happen? But yeah, for sure I mean. That's the standout track here. There are some other good. Tunes but to be honest. It's so uniform that at times it gets difficult for me to think of particular songs you. I know that changes after you spend more time with the record, but just doesn't have enough immediacy for me. It's not immediate enough it has. I don't know that's the thing that really bugs me about this band. Because if you listen to couple of songs, you tend to really enjoy them, but if you try to listen to the whole thing the whole record. It just gets boring after a while so even those songs that might stand out. May. Just blend into everything else. And yet as previously said not to contradict myself, I. Think all of this material is good. But as you said, none of the other tracks do not. Do not quite have the same impact as the open jacker says that that same punch, you know like certain tracks, yeah! So? A very good record, but somewhat underwhelming. So. Let's get the ratings. My rating for this one would be. Off. It's a tough one, but I think. I think it would be more like. A. Hard One I. don't want to be cruel. But maybe seven. Even though I'm kind of split between six point, five and seven. So not as good as the previous one. Not because of the lack of skills, the band is very much trying to move forward, which is very. Commendable but I. think that overall. It's not as satisfying except the the opening track. That's absolutely great. Okay Fair enough. I'm kind of torn between six and six point five. So Let's go with six point five. The soundtrack is obviously that had happened. And now we're moving to their latest release from two thousand and twenty, and it was released on Valentine's Day. Fourteen February fourteenth called the slow rush. Okay so this album was. To be fair it was disappointing. I don't know the whole album just sounded like beach music. I didn't enjoy it. First. Couple of checks were OCCA-. listenable to to a certain degree, but halfway through the album just got really boards and I just wanted to find something else to do because there wasn't much here on this from this records Like the first drag the opening check you know. With the previous two records, we had great open facts, and in this case the upcoming checks the opening story just sounds like a sped up chill-out song. What do you think Florida? I absolutely agree with you actually. Not The word that I. Like saying very often, but I. do agree with you here. I think that again. Just like the previous record things get to uniform and you get bored so easily. Actually had a difficulty finishing this album. I had to listen to it in two sittings which I felt made. It sound a bit better especially near the end. That kind enjoyed some of the tracks near the end. Is it true. It might be time I really liked those tracks. Again. I KINDA WANNA emphasize some positives here. What I really like about the band is when they just go into some. Random instrumental passages especially when they have these fake endings and then restart the song. I loved some of the keyboard work here and trying to think posthumous forgiveness kind of really nice keyboard part. So. I really admire their talent like. The Guy Obviously knows what he's doing. In terms of arranging things, a lot of sounds are so expertly put together. But all of that doesn't matter if your record sounds to uniform if there's no spark if there's no excitement. If you don't put. Everything you've got into it, you know. Just to mellow? And MELO is not bad necessarily. He just get lost in this. I don't know. To be fair, I mean I. I am even struggling to find positives here like you can say that certain traces are okay here and those sudden changes you know when they insert an instrumental. No, that's cool, but overall. You know from start to finish. I don't know I, it sounds like beach music to be honest. I think you're a bit too cruel. Even though I kinda agree with you on a lot of points. You made I. Think there was one song you see now. I have difficulties remembering which is which because it's too similar. Let me, take a look, but there was one song where he got particularly soulful vocals, which I really enjoyed. He has a lot of talent for that kind of. soulful music mixed with electronics. But again I also don't understand this need to have the same vocal effect on every track. It's like a trademark for this band. and. It just doesn't cut it for me. It's it's. It's something that we've heard so many times with other bands as A. Is Very prominent with all these. Pop Rock indie bands. They always want these kind of. Atmospheric effects that sound melancholy. Shoe gaze from the nineties. Maybe I guess. Just so overdone. It's Overdone A. Kind of disappoints me knowing that this band is capable of inner speaker, and there are some really amazing moments of currents, and even on this record you can hear traces of. How great they could be, but the approach is just wrong. I think. Maybe, it's to say that, because of course looking at this from my own perspective and from the perspective, the music I'm more accustomed to but overall. This is disappointing and yet it also has moments where you go I'm starting to enjoy this. You know what I see I could get into it and they're hype ends in like two minutes. I don't know I. Don't want to speak too soon because I feel. Perhaps. I would discover new things with repeated listening 's. But the first impression is not that great. Especially after the previous records I feel like they're just. They're on a downward spiral. And that's just the overall impression. Another impression is that it's a very talented musician. Who might need. Some kind of assistance, a good user work with that. He comes up with all the lyrics with all the ribs. He just has those guys touring with him, but this is basically coming from his head, right. Yeah and. I know this guy is obviously super talented so. I urge you listeners that if you're not familiar with this band, give them a chance. Now based on our reviews, you can hopefully tell which record suit you the best. If you're into more organic stuff. Sixties Delia then go with inner speaker if you like this kind of. indie dance pop atmosphere with some soulful and funky parts. But drenched in reverb then you may want to try currents and the slow rush. I'm really curious to to know how loaner ISM sounds you know because it was the follow up within speaker so I really wonder if it had some traces of that sixties influence so I will give that one a listen I finally I have finally found a positive about slow rush, and that is the album cover. It's Kinda cool nothing special but it. It looks Nice, and there is a pattern I think it's awesome. This album cover is all kinds of awesome. I love the callers. The Sand is Red Red Hugh I love the way the name of the record and the name of the band are positioned. It's like an absolutely great album cover. It's a shame. The music is not at least a bit more appealing. Yeah, that's the pattern that I. that I wanted to mention. They always put the band name in the top left corner and the album name in the top right corner. So that's cool. That's kind of kind of unusual to see. Okay Vlada, so. The, most difficult parts of this episode is. Picking the favorite tracks and giving a ratings to be honest I. Don't have any standout treks here. I, don't WanNa lie to our listeners I just I don't know I can't really remember anything that stood out. but when it comes to. Our ratings. So I, don't want to be too harsh. especially because today is a good day for for a friend Lada bought have to be at the same time. Totally honest with you and my rating is four out of ten. Wow, you finally gave a really low rating. I'm very proud of you. You finally matured as a music. Roy Moore Champagne! Yes, so dear listeners this historical moment here. Alexander finally found it in his cart. To give a really bad rating and I will be a bit nicer. And I'll give this record a rating of five point five, so still has some redeeming qualities and I I I honestly think this has some potential to grown, but I'm not sure I'm eager to revisit it. That's the thing so. If you're fans of this band, please let me know why. I should revisit what I got wrong. I I love to hear it from you. Okay it's a five point five in the favorite track. I think. Is it true I think was the one I liked the most? Even though it's kind of hard to tell you might be time was nice to. some really cool parts here and there, but everything just blends together, so it's so hard to think about individual songs. Do we have the same problem with this band? Yes I had that problem with currents, but not that much as with the slow rush Meghan slow rush I don't know I can't really think of many tracks. Think, I could probably considered to be a EP because you have maybe three or four tracks that. Sound different in the rest of the some boring continuation. Sorry sorry guys for being so card she by the way. You know the card part about doing this is. You know talking about music is very subjective. Even what somebody might find boring somebody else might find absolutely thrilling emotionally resonant so. It's hard to give a bad rating or speak negatively about something where you can tell that a lot of effort went into that there's a lot of talent. Involved in the making of that record, so I just find it extremely difficult to give ratings to such records I. Don't like, but I can recognize. That, the artist in question is very talented and the. Art is put his car and soul into the project, and just because I don't feel. It doesn't mean somebody else. Won't so I just want to point that out to be the most here you know what kind of lets me down with this band's? All these ratings and rants aside. I was really really excited when I heard inner speaker. Before actually Deciding to do this band. The only song that I knew was. The lesson, no, the better and I was kinda positive about it. You know it's a cool song. HAS THAT SWEET Bay Baseline? And, when occurred in speaker, it was really excited and thrilled than railroads, and I was kind of expecting a loss to hear, but then you just come you just come and visit certain albums that you know Kinda. Let you down. You know when the slow rush this latest release of theirs. Is kind of. The crown. You know the top of the whole disappointment thing. So maybe that's why I'm being a bit cash. I mean that's fine. We usually harsh when we don't like something. I just wanted to point out the fact that just because we give low ratings. and. We have a negative view of a certain record. It doesn't mean we're not capable recognizing the talent. Went into it. Because out there, there's a lot of music. That's actually really bad. That's pure trash. So far scale is from zero to ten. This. Kind of music is below zero. If you know what I mean so, we're talking about the music that. Is Actually worth listening to in these episodes and. If, we don't like it fine like I wasn't very fond of corn for example. But I can tell corn. Have some talent you know and they're capable of making good music in the. They mean a lot to a lot of people for a good reason. So. That's why they're were-they of being included in this podcast because we want to talk about the music that means something to people. Right, Yes artists that have actual fan base is that I have people who buy their records. You Know Not Those Commercial Act that released one song become super-popular and and Dan. Just Fade Away I. Don't think that's the case with same impala or a corn. So that's that's a redeeming factor I guess. Yeah for sure. All right so with this. We're going to wrap up this episode. Thank you guys for listening? Alexander. Any final words. Yes so I, had certain expectations about this band. inner speaker rakes door raced those expectations rapidly, but it all kind of fell down after after the slow rush over I think it's a nice van has a lot of talent as as a lot of pointed out I will stick with the sixties and seventies influence stuff which I think. Are overlooked nowadays and reserved for sixties, enthusiasts like Lada and knee. Doesn't matter if you're older young just if you're appreciate at period, which is arguably one of the best periods when it comes to popular music. So dear listeners Lee style as if this is the type of music that you really like. Is this something that you would attend live or just a plan? The background as always thanks to our patriots, and all our listeners from all around the world's ask shout out to our ozzy listeners that enjoyed our in excess episode. I hope that you will enjoy this one as well check out. 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Tame Impala

Broken Record

57:23 min | 1 year ago

Tame Impala

"In the thirteen years since Kevin Park I posted Tame Impala Musica my space. He's gone from being a member of Perth Australia. Sacred seen two huge Chela headlining act and the states in the process. He developed the best of both worlds. The respect of all your favorite artists and legions of fans sect every lyric and sound on his albums like most of his past releases. Kevin did everything on the newest tame impala album the slow rush himself all the singing plane production mixing everything he tells. Recruitment is how he's most comfortable creating alone but in the five years between his last record and the new one. He was busy collaborating with the weekend. Travis Scott Kanye West scissor and a bunch of other people have talked about wanting to work with to everyone from duly but Christine and the Queens Kevin connected recently with Rick on Zoom. It's been shelter in place back Australia. Ever since. The Corona virus interrupted his tore after two sold out nights at the forum away. You talked with rick about how being perceived as a band started eating away at an early and also asked about making two albums he loves California -CATION in uses this broken liner notes for the digital age. I'm Jason Richmond. Here's Rick Rubin and Kevin Parker and you might hear roosters crow in the background every once in awhile. Unfortunately sheltered in place sometimes means being surrounded by wild chicken. It's what was your introduction to music. What what are your first memories of listening to music? His Kid my dad was Kinda musician by hobby. I loved music loved Planned cover band just playing kind of Sixties Beach Boys Betas Rolling Stones covers and say he would always have the Senate guitars and stuff long on the house and in the end of the garage. I guess of Your Dad's music was the first your first memory of was of him playing music or of the music you listen to. Obviously we listen to it because he would. He would always have music playing in the car. In fact we because this is one song that I that I have this memory of always asking him to play and I remember there was every time I heard it was you know I must have been about four years old dad this song to this day. I don't know what that song is. It's hard break. Dad's still remember a pasta about ten years ago so So yeah I don't think I don't think he would have remembered that new either but it's Yeah. I have a feeling it's the shadows song. By the shadows randomly came across the song in life it would lightbulb. Would go there it is. It would probably trigger some sort of weird episode. You know wherever I wasn't probably just sort of stop breakdown in some way but at the same time. I think it might be a song that I know the moment by the shadows because I have a feeling it was instrumental and I know that it was really like touching and melancholic which which kind of points directly to the shadows and what was your first music. That was yours. Probably GonNa you our like. I would have been about eleven years old. My friend play means Yvonne because we were like the first kids in our class to get into music in like a girl in his house every Tuesday or something like that off to school and we'd like discover rock music. I was kind of it. Was like a piffling. Absolute REVOLUTION OF LA LA. Just like jumping around the room. That you know that that that whole that whole kind of discover that whole story which is probably everyone but Yeah I'm in Nevada and kind of just a a a a cascade of smashing pumpkins Silva anything with distorted guitars. Anything with drop-dead shooting but that was always the kind of part of that music. That was kind of it wasn't just like angsty was a kind of discovered the motion. It like smashing pumpkins next. Smashing Pumpkins has that that real that real kind of sensitivity to even though as like blaring wall of sound. You know what I mean delivery. I started started experimenting with making music. yeah well. My brother played drums. Sahin older brother or younger. Yeah he's two years old Sahan drum kit which I just thought it was incredible. I like says sort of you know. Just watch him and it was kind of. Wow so obviously I immediately wanted to copy him. We had this type Dick in the the music room which was. Kinda just ruined the house. Type Dick the microphone. Input Jones is like kind of like cassette Cassette decks and with some accordance Jack in the corner just has mapra phone and so we plugged a microphone into a and just recorded ourself playing drums just to sit down like and then we had this keyboard sitting in the rooms. Little Cashier GonNa thing and a one day. I was just playing along to myself playing drums with the I didn't even know how to play. Kyaw hitting random not sound like a nursery rhyme probably unnoticed in the room. There was a second cassette deck with the same thing so I stuck a mocking bird mocking. Did that and recorded myself to hitting these cays over the top me playing drums and listened to that type and it was made playing keyboard to my. It was may two things at once. Blew my mind. Lower lead stood have been eleven amazing. Yeah yeah the idea of starting to do it with the ideas of making it for other people to hear start. Well I mean like like every young teenage musician I had like grandiose dreams of being a brock star especially because my favorite band was silica and they were like fifteen sixteen and I was like twelve thirteen by that point. I was like I was like I couldn't like fifteen sixteen. That means I've got like two threes two threes. I can. I can still get to where they're they convey them. You know how young they were because they were such little kids for whatever reason whether it was because you know because that would like young Australian boys or because like they're kind of they would have been the symbol ahead spice in are the kind of like their approach to would have been in the same realm as Mon. How did you decide to end up being a solo artist as opposed to being in a bad? Well I always. I played in bands the whole time in high school like I was obsessed the idea of playing in bands but it also had the making music thing at home since before. I accidentally multi-track myself. That time I was playing in a band it was kind of this. Is Music School that I went to where they teach you. An instrument was drums and then every Saturday morning they get the kids from different instrument tuitions and put them and put them in bands so put me in the in the band so I wasn't abandoned. Eleven which I fucking loved. I could not why I could not why for Saturday morning to come around because it was like you know playing music with other kids was just this. Another mind blowing thing But I also but then so I better that better recording music by myself and the two worlds never really met like even even the Stott of Lifetime. Impala when was sort of like twenty one twenty two? We were playing songs that I'd written for us to play live and they were the ones. I was recording harm. That we even had on Moscow's it took a while for the two worlds to kind of converge if that makes sense because I just didn't know how I didn't know how to translate what I was kind of doing harm expressing on my on because music was like super kind of against against sensitive is the word and kind of nuanced and John Lewis but the music is making bands. That was music was more kind of like what we listen to a group. Like kind of more angsty like heavy kind of stuff at the time that you started making music with the idea of putting it up on my space. What would you say the influences? Where what we listening to By the been who hope to get to play which drags up that was around. The time now is super kind of obsessed sixties music. So I was kind of like the doors Jefferson airplane. I didn't have a lot of kind of like modern day. Audibles Just because of like that was the kind of Lost allies leading unlike as living in a house of the paper. We kinda just. We just permanently listened to seventy Constantly I mean. This is Banco Dongyan that I was super into still am to this diet. That's gives me goosebumps and it's funny because I listen and I can hear my first album all over. You know it's something. I didn't really notice at the time consciously but just like the. Yeah how'd you describe how the second album different from the first It was it was a hundred times more indulgent. Which is what I wanted. You know because I'd had this kind of like surge of confidence that I didn't have a previously prior Baker. Kinda shy stone kind of and I like the way you had a lot of a lot of success. The first album went on tours and all this kind of stuff and so I suddenly realized that. Be Kind of validated. My approach and my kind of like what I wanted to do. So I can say loner. Ism was kind of like Blind that wide open. How did the third album when that came? How is that different Well I mean the second still didn't fully know what I was doing kind of like I got Abelson and instead of just sort of it being the corner of my bedroom in show house that I made it for. The second album is like fuck it. I'm going to dedicate to this so I set up a studio in a room in my house. It must be done full room for for once and I would just Mike Hours and hours of I I just I like using sense organs fucking anything you know I was. It was kind of you know that kind of typical moment for a solo modest way where they make their you know their self-indulgence. Oprah's it really was that looking like the Thomas and seemed like the first two albums. The arrangements seemed more complicated. Yeah that's probably true because in the third one I was kind of like influenced by Lada. Aren Bay an electric music so I was kind of embracing the way that music was made more like finding a loop and kind of almost making making a bait like a you know in in like the hip hop sense like instead of just having like a full loop and just sort of making the structure out of that rather than going like okay. We're going to be going this bit for awhile ago. Jam when these codes and then like two a huge drum fill and going to these codes and then let this thing for five and a half house. Do you remember what the music that inspired that? Switch like what would have been the things. You're listening to that. Maybe WanNa make more program based music. I mean like it was always that I was into but just music that I kind of shied away from making because I figured like my world was we'd expansive sock and like if I tried to do. More kaleen focused pop kind of stuff. I assumed it wouldn't work was the where I'd kind of like just went fuck. I'm GONNA try traumatic kind of like disc- O. R. and B. Kind of like really the Bait Select Stupa strong heavy. Would you consider the I two as air in the last Air Nah? I've never thought of it that way. Maybe some people would I guess the third one third one is the one where I was kind of like a new that they would be fans of the first two. That turned the nose up like I was ready for that. Do you know what I mean I was kind of like I decided kind of definitively that that That I wanted to change my sound and I knew that some people wouldn't like it. You know what I mean that was in my career where I kind of like sucked it up. You know. It's a great thing to do early on. If you made four albums that sounded in the same vein and then the fifth one was different. It would have probably alienated more people early enough in the trajectory where you let the audience know that. Hey we're GONNA go on different rides. I want you to come with me. Bob People more forgiving of the style changes if you prepare them for it. Yeah Yeah if if if change is one of the constance yeah it's like if it's the ramones was a program dance record. Anybody would have been excited about right and also something I realized was that I mean. What's funny is that the first album and the second one I like as well time impala was always kind of perceived as a band and I was Kinda cool with that because I like because it it sounded like Banville will allow you know. It's a it sounds like a bunch of guys jamming. I love this. I love the I love these guys. You know I love the way out but I kind of like it. Kind of it was eating away that it wasn't like the truth And also because also like a wanted I wanted people to know that it was kind of more of a solo recording project because I realized that Solo Artists get away with completely changing their sound a lot more than bands. Do you know like someone like Like back back can just take a complete left. Turn with one album. You know. Let's that's Beck and that's what he does but like with the band kind of like I feel like a few things to happen like everyone in the band. O everyone in the group rather has to decide on together which is more difficult. You know they'll have to be sort of moving in the same direction whereas people you know people especially as time goes by people like drift apart when you decided to give birth to project a name originally as opposed to your name was it. The was it the opposite of what you just said was. The original impression was freaked to seem like a band. Yes absolutely in fact the record label when they signed us even we were didn't it didn't know it was made it was playing drums and guitars. And Bison Mall checking like they we. I outlawed to them. When we met up the contract that we saw was for three of us. I think Yeah because I just I I I do want to say it was just made for a number of reasons like one. I was kind of shy. I just you know it's really weird because looking back it's kind of like why the fuck unused owner but also like the kind of music thing. I was in was very communal sane unite like we lived to jam and live to like play. Gigs SAR like for the thing. That finally came out of that same to bay. Just one like a solo project thing token wrong like it'd be. It would be like saying that we had going past was kind of like a bunch of us but they weren't that many people but what we made tons of bands out of it you know so like ten people and they'd be like six bands with like different combinations of those people. 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We're back with Rick and Kevin Parker feels like it was like four or five years between the third album and the new During that for years you didn't you didn't write songs or make any music I did. I absolutely did but I just didn't see it as time impala and it kind of seemed more like a drag to think of a song as time impala because it like every time. I thought of a song if I imagine time empower came loaded like the idea was loaded with all these kind of things that come with it like it just seemed so much more magical and wonders to think of it. As a song I could collaborate with a different like making time. Impala music now and always. It's like it's a deep doc hall that I have to go into and you know like come out like it drains. It drains every bit of me realize that the end of the third album. You know I I always dreamt of making your time. Apollo album or I didn't feel completely spent at the end of it completely. Drinan completely like depressed him and I kind of realized after a while that was inevitable and that was the only way it could be in the course of those for years before he started working on a new album. Did it reveal itself state? It was time or was the decision you made or did one particular track come out with like. Oh this could be the beginning of something. It was a combination of the first to you know what it was. It was more like it was the process of a because I'm falling in love so much with this idea of music being a collaborative thing you know like the energy in a room when your uh working people like you know started working with Dr Scott. Someone that like. The energy in the room is just so electric you know and I was like Hey I can. I can that energy on my own too. I just have to just have to embrace it you know and so then. I started so like the way I started working on. The album again was by like pretending. I was in a recording session with a bunch of other people. Staying up late is getting getting trunk concerned. I kind of just having a party of myself. I guess just Embracing that kind of way that when you on the in the depths of working by yourself you feel like many people feel like you're channeling particular people or is it. More of a general feeling is not music someone else or do you envision this year with me. What would you do both in different times? It's like may imagining. I'm someone else's kind of more when I get stuck you know it's like what would or Pharrell Williams do in this moment. Actually it's funny one of the one of the things that got me inspired. What started for some reason? I started watching. There's this like six PA Youtube video series on the making of justified. And it's it's almost seems like leaked footage because it's just fly on the wall someone just holding the camera. The entire Thomas starts from like them in the in Justin Timberlake's private jet and they're flying to the recording session but most of it is just someone sitting on the couch like filming Ferrall and Justin kind of messing around having a laugh and like making the songs you can see frill can piece together Senorita like there's like a twenty minute patch of him just playing drums to suck suck to that why that's not what starts out. But he slowly slowly converge on the Bait. That ends up being Senorita site. He's okay gets up things like that back and I don't know why but for some reason that kind of just made me think about how I make music and it kind of reminded me in fact one of the songs on the album kind of like came out sounding similar to something. I would imagine for L. Injustice. It'd be doing for Fif- Justin Timberlake. Which is a SOMBRERO depot? The first from the start of braves day Bo was kind of May pretending I was real and justified. It can justify. Let me ask specific questions. You often have a little intro signature. Intros that are not necessarily part of the track. You know like it'd be different beater. It sounds really different than it sets up the hall but it doesn't feel like it's part of the song. Do those happen after. I guess that's just may trying to Just create those kind of moments of like gelling into the track. You know like in the way that you hear in hip hop the way that like like just cutting to something completely different is because sometimes one of the most satisfying things on so sometimes it can be an accident. I accidentally accidentally play the track wrong. For example the start of backward feels like we're GONNA go back on online. Racism was may. I had loop one bait on loop That's kind of like the lost Of the chorus or something you know I had a jury ruled. You're you're around the Oh shit you know? That's one. I have many happy accidents. That's not true I do. I have a lot but That's just one of those happy accidents in it so I guess I'm always on the lookout for things that can considered techy one way and then quickly back the you know and so more more often some accident might happen somewhere during the course of making the song and you might think. Oh maybe I can use this piece at some point and many many figure out how to use it or or might you have a finished song of okay. Now I want. I need an intro and I don't want it to be like the rest. I'm in those kind of things kind of moments accident there almost. It's almost a something that I rely on happening. Because a related not. Sometimes I get kind of just spiced out and in those times. I'm not very musically proficient. But because because you're not consciously aware of everything doing it frees you from that the boring straight down the line cognitive thinking that you do. United States that kind of It's almost like your subconscious is involved in the writing process. Yeah exactly exactly I mean I try. I try to bring that as much as possible because I'm someone naturally I'll try and process every you know I'll I'll I'm probably more naturally and over thinking. I'd like to be you know so. I smashed weighed in a recording session. That's something I'd do to stop myself from overthinking. Because that's that's that's that's the time when I'm just like Yeah that's cool. Let's go with that. You know I let off sick. Don't think about fucking think about it. You know not not another native. He's done to to get into that kind of space but always kind of times. It's also like being being in a hot and emotional state like being super feeling super emotional. In whichever direction is also something that brings out that way. You're not thinking about with some good. It's just it just hits the spot of you because you're feeling depressed because you're feeling elated or you particularly joyous particularly sad. Those are times when you don't ever think things to hold these things we're talking about all instrumental at this point where we're at in talking about making music and those feelings that you get excited about are we only talking about instrumental at this point. No it can happen all at once. I mean in fact most of the IDEAS. I HAVE FOR SONGS OUR IDEAS. I've had not even in the studio and that's of the the other thing about catching you off. God is the songs come to me. When I'm not thinking about writing a song you know. In fact if consciously decide that I WANNA ride a song. I can pretty. You can pretty much guarantee it's going to be the Shida Song. I've I've often tried to Larry search like that idea would come to me and like the only thing I can that I've noticed a patent or whatever is going from like allowed place like a place with a lot of energy into his into just like walking outside stepping outside from a room of people suddenly going from a Lotta Shit going on thinking about and then suddenly nothing and then my brain has to find some way of feeling that void suddenly did. I think that's something that's the rate of the fact that you notice bat is really It's it's a beautiful note and really helpful for you that so happy that you you realized it sure. Yeah yeah well I mean like. I think I'm a science person so I'm always like how does that happen? Not Not so that I can Fabricator or not that I can force it to happen but just just because I want to know I'm just curious like what makes me think of ten songs in three days sometimes and then nothing for five months. Okay so now. Let's say you just left the loud room with a lot going on outside silent. What might eight one of these seed ideas? Look like what will be the first thing that would come. It's like picking on the Radio Melody. Lyric both a both all all the same time. Yeah it's like it's like it's it's like looking on the radio and it's going to read it because it's not like it's not like starting the song at the start so I'm like a song starts 0.00 song starts. It's like coming in halfway through cores. Survive you pick up and then and then I just do my best do my best to get to a place where I can record it before I forget. It obviously got like one hundred voice. Memos my fun. You'll be like to buy a one bit of music so drums will. The drums will be the drums. Let's try and find one. But but it's it's rare that I'll listen back to a undecided. It was good enough. Just I don't know why it's like someone. Singing unity is hey man. What about this goes Donna? And sometimes at the end I feel compelled to go record. This fucking recorded. This warns sunlight much and listen to it but recorded. They'll play play when it left up to the Mike to Jenkins obviously not the kind of the rhythm section eight skipping melody Yeah so often I'll go back in just like force myself truckload winless. I haven't recorded that one. That's missing to it. I'd say about ninety nine things that it's not out of ten ideas that I have. I'll forget because I'll be meaning to record out my voice memo but someone will be next. I'll be talking to someone and then we'll get into a car with the car radio applying and it'll absolutely what it'll what whatever. I'm thinking you know gotta catch fast absolutely and easily forgotten too and I always feel bad about going. I was feeling kind of ego about a guy mainly that go back going like hey guys just shut up. Shut up plays. I've got an idea you know like I. I could never do that in a room. Full of pay or with with anyone on with. Here's a suggestion. Go to the bathroom. Hey where there's music playing in a in bathroom sometimes by by not you know Neil Young has ruled that Regardless of what is going on in the moment where he is what he's doing if a thong comes to him everything stops. Yeah Mala and he gets that idea down before that goes away because he knows it's fleeting and we don't have all of them coming like you said. Sometimes we'll get you might get a bunch and a couple of days but then you might go months without getting another one so they really are valuable and they're also valuable because they're all different and you never know which one is the great one you know. Maybe one of the best ones evaporated. Yeah I family belay. I genuinely believe that I could have songs. That are my best song or whatever you know. There's definitely things that have disappeared that that would've been great but that's just life okay. Well I'M GONNA give you permission to always either ask people to be quiet or to or to invite you to leave where you are to go. Capture these ideas. Because you're doing doing a service to the world. Why that's that's actually really powerful to hear from me a ribbon. Can I get a little sound bought from you saying hey everyone can you get the fuck out Kevin? He's good just plan to the light July. Hey I will make one for you and send it amazing diving magazine just like hey guys regrouping when we come back. We'll have more with Kevin Parker. Small businesses are grappling with the impact of these uncertain times and looking for resources. That's why does technologies assembled an all star lineup of podcasters to create the first ever virtual conference to share advice and inspiration for small businesses. Here from Pushkin Industry's own Jacob. Weisberg Malcolm Gladwin Michael Lewis. Dull technologies advisors are also here to help you navigate remote. Working Essentials dealt technologies recommends windows ten pro for business tuna now by searching dull technologies. Small Business POD FERENCE ON RADIO DOT COM spotify or apple. Podcasts starting may first back with Rick and Kevin Parker from Tame Impala. Do you listen to music for law? I Don and I and I want to more. I have less and less since I started making music since music became the thing that I do. I've been more and more preoccupied with making it so I haven't given myself Tom. Listen to it like it's extremely difficult. Fa May to justify putting on an album to listen to over potentially thinking of a song because for me like if I put on an album. That's an hour that I wouldn't have an idea you know. I'm that obsessed with coming up with new. I was like finding a new law a making a new song because making a new song makes me feel like nothing else in the world. There's no other feeling in the world that I get from the feeling of starting a new song that I think has great potential sadly more so than than listening to something that that is equally. That is great. You know but but I do want to. I do want to force myself to listen to more music. I had taught of the Creator and his nod wiring today. He said like he wakes up every morning. Listens to two hours of music before. That's amazing I WANNA do that. You know just like you ever started a song with another song in mind Like someone already exhibit some sort of just like a song. A song from the sixties anything. Wow this is my inspiration. What would I do that? It would be a mistake not not suggesting copying it but I'm saying being invited by to WanNa make something that makes you feel like that seals not that I know of but something that do sometimes kind of subconsciously. There might be a song playing in the background. Like you know in a like on the radio or something and then like delegates switched off and then. I'll think of something that goes on from there like I'll have the rhythm and maybe the key in my mind subconsciously. Start seeing that goes on from that as though as though the song kept going with it changed. There's an example of that which I don't know I feel like I'm GonNa get busted while you know fuck it. It was It was two thousand twelve. Now there's a song well. My Song feels that we're going to go backwards. A. Must've been listening to the UAE. I've traced it back. I think I was listening to this song by beach. House earlier that morning it's cold walk in the park. I think. And it's funny because it's the same tempo in the same key and possibly even similar codes but it was at the time it was. It was too much of a coincidence and I'm pretty sure it was around that time. That song came out so. I'm pretty sure that I'd done that with that song. Kind of like that solid stopped and then I'd kind of just like my brandon continued on same tempo and key maybe even light. It's probably even like a little motif in there. That's the same kind of Combo two or three nuts. Yom and so. That's something happens. I don't think there's anything I think all great artists are heavily inspired by artists in its own good. Yeah what's funny? Is that when I say that now? It doesn't seem that bad but but I think back then I used to be so precious about like the sacred melodies sacredness of of artistry being being Holy Holy as like w edged the inspired and not influenced by anything so like back then I would have thought that was terrible but now now that I said out loud it's kind of this is one of the ways that let great song can come out and then especially when I discovered on appreciated hip hop more like sampling. And stuff like that so you know that's that's another whole realm of taking these interests. I think creative use of a sample to create serving new is. It's just a new form. It's like it's creativity beautiful way to express yourself. Let some things for a new US like. It's really cool. Yeah it's also a completely Other category of skill. That can be Mazda that I didn't realize early on when I start making SAC- rock install not that I have used of sampled myself but like I used to think like someone's done that already. Like hacking take credit for that but finding that in itself and realizing how can be reimagined Ray? Presented is extremely difficult especially when there's an ABS. There's a universe of music at like finding the right thing to use and how to ease something that I that I admire extremely now. Let's it can happen. Even I mean even with cover. Sol's AH different. Artists could take the same song that someone else bid and just through their interpretation of it completely change. The meaning of the song is so much that can happen in the personalization processes music fully fully. Like that That Mad World Sung United. It's a it's not really somber song. Yes and it's like. How could this song of ever Other than this yes. The the cover version is spectacular. Yeah and if you listen back to original it's cool but the cover is it. Yeah exactly rate example the first BG's hit was the phone if they wrote for Otis redding do you know the story not not how one another love somebody k. Live so mad they were at for. Reading Amend Otis Redding died and never got to record it and they recorded themselves and put it out when you hear that song. You don't think about as ready you think of the BJ's it's like a classic example of a song in their mind that was for someone else. Yeah Yeah I like hearing stories that is kind of comforting for me to know that there's that kind of uncertainty honest have as well with with where song should end up anything else about well tended to ask you about everything you've done but I don't know that does probably something times. What was what was recording. California cash unlock. Just because that was one of the album's that like was big from A. That was kind of like my first year of highschool album that I was kind of obsessed with physically the way it worked with Julie Uppers we would. It would write songs on their own for a long period of time that we together in pre production playing the songs in various stages of of community and we would talk about him and discuss key strengths and weaknesses and how they could may be better when you many bars or whether they had maybe not enough parts a and and we would usually by the time of that album. Really workup the songs as a live band in in the rehearsal room so that when we went into the studio it was surely getting the performance like everything was worked out completely just with the players maybe not all of the words yet but I think back then maybe many of the words were already written when they can perform it live and wow amid goal of that really was to to to not confuse the writing process with the performance process. So that when we were in the studio we really knew what we were doing and and Phil we like play the same Song Hundred Times. Yeah get it to come together in that in that way where it feels like if the perfect version but it's also got mistakes in it. It's not natural. It's just it. Sounds like a band on a really good bike. Machines playing it. It sounds like the best night they played that on your this was we happened to catch the best one so two things over and over with that idea and someone have been very quickly someone take a long time and then and then all of the overdose would happen after that and make decisions of things to try and we usually record many many many more cells than whatever was on the out pretty much always the case. Wow I would save for every album. We made there were at least twice as many songs as songs that Romney out and what what happened to them. Evidence based on some have some heaven. Wow that's glass crazy for me. That's that's such a wild thing because for me like I just make the songs that I need for now. Like a song will not get past where he won't get past anywhere close to half way finished unless. I know it's going to be on the album so I I rarely ever have base odds of any kind so the idea of to think of like a completely a complete other like parallel universe album that never existed. That's funny because it's Sung on California Down I guess I guess that's how most have you noticed. Have you noticed how when you first you excited about it and you think Oh. I you know I worked on these with this. New One is my favorite of the batch so far as you work further it may be doesn't become your favorite of the batch and then another song that using this is pretty good but maybe not my favorite song that as you continue working on it it becomes your favorite song of you ever have that. Spring Melt. My thing is like first song to make an album. It it has to at some point. Have been my favorite song ever like. I have to have had a moment with that song. Like it has to fertilize today. Asked to have been just like my favorite thing I've ever done. It can never be like just for some reason like I. I want Bother going through the song unless at some point I've thought that it psych potential is limitless. Or it could be the greatest thing I've done my greatest not just greatest like Oh could you know by the way? The most critically acclaimed whatever. But just just the just the greatest you know. I like I guess for me. The thing is like from starting a song and having all these just thinking. It's an having a moment with them. I'm feeling great about. It's kind of just like a rice to the finish line to get the song finished and have may still feel the same way about all just for me to still love it in a you always finish before moving on to the next song. No no I mean like ours ours up until mastering. I'm still rotting off for for a song for like up until a few hours before. It's don of like a year of working on. I'm sort of like rotting lyrics rotting recording lyrics and editing drums. And I do everything at once because I'm my attention span is too short to kind of like my work. I I have horrible work ethic so for me to sit down and do like one task until it's don is extremely rare. Just also have like be recording By Salon for and get sort of like halfway down the Abu something else now because that's the luxury of during myself. I can do it without a derailing. The so I can kind of just like oh now. Now I WANNA thing as the Knicks. Want to do a bit of mixing on drums a do everything at once. Then which which can which can create this sort of like complete mess of and can make me feel can can make you lost in the Progressive Asong. So sometimes I'm like oh I don't know where I am with the Sonnen are. I don't know if it's almost finish or if it's nowhere near that united so I'm kind of just like in lost in this in this in the in the woods known. Do you ever go too far. And have to backtrack yes height. Back a height backtracking but but yes Which is interesting. I was something I wanted to always wanted to Nar. And like maybe maybe not able to say because if it's like a secret but uses 'cause there's the myth that he has a story that he came to you sort of a couple of weeks before it was done and you kind of went like let's get rid of that go into that and like strip down which to me like that story is like. Is this holy grail of discipline like executive discipline to say like we need any of this. You know because for me. That's it's it's it's. It's extremely hot if I recorded a song. It's extremely difficult for me to say he doesn't need to be in the song. 'cause like my Brian like on. This isn't the place for you know it's a my songs can end up being so extremely dense and I'm sort of finding a way to sort of like sitting there in that but to me like the greatest strength and the greatest ability in production is to say all of this stuff. Here doesn't doesn't need to be you know so i. I really don't know how that happened. Will be ruthless in the ED and I I like that word. Ruthlessly is the right word because you're used to be comfortable taking your favorite artist song. If it doesn't if it doesn't serve the saw the most important thing is that what what's presented is is the best Possibly be and it's not a collection of things in that one. What makes this song the best? It could possibly be anything that doesn't mean to be there. Needs to go and I would say just the opposite in terms of I never feel bad about taking out but then again you know from the beginning. It's always been by Might instinct is to have the least amount of stuff to get the idea across. Who believes mount stuff doesn't mean that that's A. I'll say that that's an organizing principle for the way I work within sometimes will decide. Oh let's put a bunch of stuff are missing. That's the way we like it. It's fine it's not a rule to live by but it's a it's a way of thinking and the reason for it which is when you clear as much space as possible. The things that are left you really hear them. You really feel their personality. There's less There's less jockeying for for your attention. To- each thing it's live in its own space. And that's space is. What makes things sound so beautiful? It's the it's really you know the old adage the quiet between the notes. Yeah exactly. That's that's truly remarkable. Because for me it's like it would be torture to do something like that. You know like the idea for me because I'm listening. Oh Fuck Ya. It's the place my brain goes to his leg. How can the song the best that it can be without your favorite bit in the song? The favorite bid might end up being a different song. Yeah true current it's like the same like it's It's one of the things that I learned early on. We're working with bands will really players is that most great players want to show that they're players. I'm there is. There isn't much room for that team recording recording it really is what needs to be there to best serve the saw. It's not insertive unless of course you know a guitar hero album and it's really about showing the dexterity of the player not about if it's about the songs it's never about the coolest part it's about how parts interact to make the greatest whole sometimes the thing. That really cool ends up being a distraction. Yeah Yeah it's true. Yeah I mean I guess. That's kind of like the kind of philosophy that I'm like developing in myself at the moment you know because like so much of my music has been this kind of like layered Psych Rock GonNa symphonies with learners and was kind of the pinnacle of that were because it was so indulgent it was like this. Cincinnati. I'M GONNA tell on. This baseline is going to come in here and it was packed in peds packed in. So it's like a really sonically. It's really interesting Listen because nothing really jumps out at. You accept always bits which is similar vein isley. What's wrong with but also what's kind of like charming and beautiful about but You know like the that kind of discipline that you're talking about is something that I'm that that I that I see is is One of the greatest wisdom's to have you know being able to sense. What what what. What a piece of music needs and what doesn't knits. Lb Idea that maybe for particular project you want it to be super-dense and yet not being on itself a master. That's that's what makes that project that project. That's fine it's not. It's not like a everything has to be that way. It's more of a nightmare on. It's in the bag of tricks in the baggage right. Gotcha Yeah Yeah Fish. Oh I guess I just feel like yeah that that. That's kind of like a because it's a new and wonderful thing for me. It's kind of. It's one of those things I'm curious about. You know the next time met with both of 'em saint place and are in the world is a world where we're allowed to be same room then let's Let's get together and listen to music together. Now that'll be fuck fuck. Yeah Man. That sound good. I love that. Thanks to Kevin Parker for jumping on zoom to talk with Rick about his new out. Check out the slow rush along with our other. Favorite Tame Impala songs on their playlist. We created a broken record. Podcast DOT COM. You should also know. We'll be taking a little break over the next two weeks. But we'll be back may nineteenth new episodes in the meantime stay in touch with us on. Instagram. At the broken record pod shoot us a message. If there's an interview really want to hear us do and dive into old episodes of the podcast. You might have missed on whatever PODCAST APP you use for on our Youtube Channel at YouTube dot com slash broken record. Podcast broken record is produced help from Jason Gabrielle. 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Aussie2Aussie: 5SOS on Tame Impala (with Luke Hemmings & Calum Hood)

Switched On Pop

38:42 min | 1 year ago

Aussie2Aussie: 5SOS on Tame Impala (with Luke Hemmings & Calum Hood)

"Killing Eve is one of those shows that gets your heart pounding. The first two seasons were absolutely insane and unlike any show I've seen before two women with brutal past that are basically addicted to each other. I couldn't get enough now. The third season is premiering on BBC. America and AMC Sunday April twelfth at nine PM. New York magazine called the Emmy nominated show a wicked pleasure. And if you've seen the first two seasons you know exactly what they mean and if you haven't seen it go catch up on BBC America into AMC APPS. I'm a little. Jealousy gets the start at the beginning season three premiers Sunday April twelfth at nine PM on BBC America and AMC don't Miss It. Welcome to switched on pop. I'm Songwriter Charlie harding and I'm musicologist. Nate Sloan and today we're joined by two special guests if you don't mind introducing yourself yet this is callum and Luke's here also where from the band called seconds of some. Hey how you doing sluggish five summer abbreviated five sauce five. Sos is so much fun. You are the first group to have your first two albums go number one. You have countless hit singles. Some of my favorites are young. Blood who do you love? Y to me featuring Julia Michaels you have done worldwide Taurus with one direction. You are stadium. Touring Act in your own. You have a really loyal vocal fan base today. Were talk about some of your new music. But first we're GONNA do something something a little bit unusual. We are going to do a segment that we've never done before and will probably never do again. Called Ozzy to ozzy of our great Australian friends from the band have brought another band to us that we want to listen together and break down before we listen to some of five music. So you have brought us tame impala a musical project of the Australian Songwriter and producer. Kevin Parker who really defies genre. He's often labeled psych pop. But he's worked with people spanning Mark Ronson Travis. Scott and Connie West is music has been covered by. Yeah huge fans impala obviously being on the show being Australians. We need we needed to kind of insert. Some right here As you say so Yeah he was the first person to kind of come to mind in terms of modern USTRALIA. Next he has a new album the slow rush which is a meditation on time. You chose the song borderline sick. Listen so what is it about this particular track borderline that that speaks to you? The thing that fascinates me just about having a say Kevin as if on a minute before he seems pretty approachable exactly is just they cultural impact. He's had as an artist in Australia. You know we've had people who've who've stood in similar lanes in terms in terms of that which I would say like Angus. Young is one and deathly Michael. Hutchence's one Peter Garrett from Donaldo this certain energy and pandemonium around around that band in terms of People feeling proud that he's from Australia which totally love and finding deering in this song for me as a basis is the tempo in the group that I love I think within his album. There's there's total diversity within tempos which I think creates a great body of work. So that's what drew me to this song. I don't know how luke feels better. What do you think a man? I agree with everything you've said. I think he's an interesting one because I feel like totally has a sound which can be scary as an artist to have a sound. But it's just him doing it so it's like he's doing everything so it's gonNa sound kind of similar age. Tommy seems to like step it up with the way like away mixes it everything in together and he steps it up with like Calvin talking about new groups and like new baselines. It doesn't ever feel like it's like one really like a piece of work every time but then it's also like really diverse and it's really odd to have those two things mixed together. Yeah he had a conversation recently with the scene on beat Swan about how he goes about creating sound. I think column. You'll connect with this in particular. I almost feel that you're a drummer above anything else. That's true I believe like rhythms for me Almost more important than the actual melodic like codes and stuff themselves like outside of drums. Percussion and stuff like the the rhythm of the vocal rhythm of the Baseline Algorithms going together is to me to me. That's like the cornerstone of time. And Paul. I think a great example of this would be like in the outer of the song. We really hear that base interlocking with the drums in a really tight ridden. Yeah Yeah Yeah. I think he's become almost notorious for adding a second base log. Onto was the end of the song to add to the dynamic of the song which is a really cool feature too. Yeah I love the idea here that the song is driven by rhythm. I write like rather than hooks or lyric. He's thinking about how to establish a groove and I think that's one of the things that really defines Lewke put it the. There's a really clear tame impala sound. Yeah I think that's one of the places we identify. I definitely sense that nothing. He doesn't spend time and he's lyric and melody but it definitely feels very lucky. Said it comes with the Bass and the drums minutes definitely mean we even fell into the last couple of albums like it's so important to have that down on a lot of things that go down really well live now have started from playing as a band or like starting like what. What groove or Rhythmic pocket a we missing on this album and then we go in and try and do that and then we'll do like a lyric military of the top lyrical melodies. More important to me in particular. I think also the band anyway but taking whether it was from hearing town follower just kind of like I don't know trying to fill those rhythmic gaps for us. It's definitely something we've thought about more and more. You know the rhythm drives this track but then there's some really moving lyrics like will I be known and loved? Is there one that I trust? This song is the idea of being on the border line and just like always questioning and another way that the song is questioning might be in the the structure and form of the song itself where you think the verses and Bridge Chorus. Belong is not always where they appear. Yeah I love that. Yeah I was playing this out and I was listening to what is called the verse. Where the first thing we get? Check this out like it's hard for me to tell if that's a verse or if actually the Hook because after this we get some other material they call a bridge section just happens once before going right back into what again is sort of. Its title the verse in the Lyrics but now we get the title of the song so it sort of suggests that we're hearing is of course just course. Africa is almost like one long course and long course dream but then there's a whole nother section which they call the chorus. What do you think of this? Do you think that this song wished feels like kind of experimental structure and yet it's a single and it's really successful album from a very successful band? Do you think this falls within a pop sound? I mean pope is to me anyway and popular music so people love this so Stephanie pump and the way it sounds to me is very is dreamy but it also doesn't shy away from melody it doesn't shy away from although it has an interesting Song Structure. I I even see those. I mean it's different ends of the field. I guess the avenue that might Costa Lima. He just it's almost like he just keeps throwing awesomeness at. You just keeps going like also melody's in pots and rhythms and stuff and just keeps your ear the whole time I think. That's maybe not the reason that he will connect with it so much because it's relentless in like ear worms only I love you. Pull that out. I too when I was listening to this song was thinking about post Malone and realizing I think a lot of the sort of phrasing that is really popular and melodic structure which is popular right. Now we actually a lot to tame impala when you get these sort of internal small melodies that repeat again and again and again and you can hear that in team impala you can hear that post Malone you can hear that in so many other artists hundred percent. I don't think it's I mean even relate back to the smaller attention span. We're getting worse. We're going to have a three minute song. Few a few melodies that change in the keeps your interest the whole time if show. I was really surprised to hear from Kevin Parker who in a conversation with TV did refer to his. Music is absolutely pop up that you want it to be very very pop. I mean I've always my music to be really so I think that it doesn't matter what sounds you're using if you're starting with. Hook I or the first or how you're structuring song. It feels like what matters is sort of the intent and the intent is for people to love this to dance to groove to it and I think it's succeeding on that level. One hundred percent. I think even the I mean obviously has the eighties influenced since it's definitely unique one hundred percent. There's no doubt about that but it's it's popular music by definition he plays arenas does very well so I would call that popular. Music hundred percent shouldn't be negative. I feel like right on. Yeah it's like you know. I think his strategy is get that rhythm. Get that groove going and then you can kind of start to sprinkle some weird stuff on top and people won't mind as long as as long as they're feeling the groove you know you can get away with like he's got some flute and pizzicato strings in here. I've never seen an interview even talk about this but I was actually wondering because it's just him that does everything and as we've moved more into like more of a production side of things or even trying to demo things ourselves. I wonder how long he spends on a song. Sounds like spends a long time. But maybe he's just a freak at it yeah. He says about his process that I think he works up until the very end. When somebody says that this is going to mastering and is being released in two weeks and you have to finish the music right. So He's tweeting constantly definitely okay. This has been a lot of fun getting to talk about Your Ozzy Brethren Tame Impala but we really want to get to dive into five seconds of summer. 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Until shocking death sets them on a collision course once again the journey back to each other will cost both of them friends family and perhaps a part of their souls tune into killing Eve April twelfth to see what happens next in the deliciously wicked darkly hilarious and widely addictive emmy nominated series. That's Sunday April twelfth at nine pm for the premiere of killing Eve season three on BBC America and AMC. Don't miss it like bringing up. This idea of what fits within a pop format and five seconds of summer are a group that really sort of similarly belie genre. How do you think about the label? Pop is that something you wear comfortably or are unsure about. I remember the first time when I was fifteen and our songs went on itunes. The first Tom Emmer hit we played at Stott shows. That could play. Were with metal bands and really heavy rock bands because that was the only people that were playing shows and the place. We grew up so we ended up doing that. And we're just a live band. At that point so my hand will rock band pump. Or whatever like very like angsty I suppose and then out music went on like jeans or whatever it was labeled POC. I go on that agenda. I'm very young and now ago. How come it says pop on our thing and he goes no may ease English. No mate is just that's just popular. Music means lots people listen to whatever he said and I was like. Oh okay so like the Beatles will pop and the stove pipe and everyone like anything with a when you can attach yourself to. A melody is technically a pop song. I think anyway like even some of those like slipknot sums is gonNA sound ridiculous but like the melody before I forget by. Slipknot is a pop melody in my head. Even though it's fucking madness around it it's still something that people latched onto a love that so it sounds as though pop is a very broad umbrella for you. All your your sound has evolved cl- a lot over your albums and you have a new album out. Calm just came out on March twenty seventh. What were your expectations going into this project? I think at the very beginning. It came from a very pure place and it was very impulsive. I think in terms of the songwriting. It reflected what music we grew up with as well. I mean in western Sydney those a huge movement of pop punk and punk though a lot of metal fans out there as well so like even first gigs were with these metal bands guys in their thirties. And we'd have like ten young girls at Al Station than it'd be fifty. Read the of the stage watching the metal bands that kind of influenced us in in the way that we wanted to achieve something. Great without music in the think especially with Australia's is a big mental attitude towards just being the best version that you can In terms of Human Nelson musician as well so that played a big PUTT and then kind of as as career progress. We would just find any in terms of how we wanted to a particular message to fans of who we were as artists and I incorporate influences of all the artists that we love and Al Spin onto it as well so you told me about the process of choosing some of the sounds for this album. What were you trying for? I mean at the time I was listening to a massive massive attack was a huge influence for me personally on this on this record and I really wanted to try and culprit a lot more euphoric elements into into the records. Because I think that's something that we haven't necessarily touched on as we talked about before time and pollen of seeing them a couple times play and it's it's just a feeling you get when you say it doesn't matter if you know them or not at some. The energies is totally reciprocated. And I think in terms of sounds were using using a profit. And we're using a juno slowly and the world surf most of the key sounds and then we're lucky enough to have a produces such as Having says he would take those sounds way and he just totally manipulated them in. It'd come back kind of total weird flipped upside down hybrid of thing so up till now we've been asking some pretty softball questions but we're we're GONNA turn up the heat now. We're going to put you on the spot. And here's a here's a little Trivia question for Y'all what is five seconds of summer have in common with Sheryl Crow Bon Jovi the BG's Dolly Parton. Linda Ronstadt Tom Petty Beach House. Nicolas Jaar soccer. Mommy and Ghost's face killer. You have five seconds for your answer. Holy Shit Dolly Parton. I'd say lyrical insperity and storytelling. What was the other ones chill crow? Bon Jovi the BG's Dolly Parton. Linda Ronstadt Tom Petty Beach. Nicolas Jaar soccer. Mommy and ghost face killer out. Say Bon Jovi. We love a big fat lob show and a big ripping guitar solo wherever we can sneak one in your good sports. I can't I can't let this go any longer. You every one of these artists has a song title. That is wildflower really. You're in good company. I love that Tom. Petty Song You allow the while now. We have a song called wildfire. And all those oddest due to ask totally as need. So let's zoom in on this track which we've had on heavy rotation recently. Is there a story behind wildflower? Yeah definitely I mean the main core. The album was written with injure Watt Alley. Tim Posey Louis Bell and Happy Perez but we also on the law sound worked with Main Karami Cube and he is a great mentor in terms of How he's helped us develop songwriting style. Yeah people might know rummy. Yakubu is one of the collaborators Max Martin in his early career making songs for the likes of Britney Spears and backstreet boys and he's also worked continuously with all the great acts Selena Gomez Madonna. Demi Levato all these folks. Yeah I think I mean he's great in terms of his melodic tastes everything that he sings. Everything's really based on intervals in the contrast of of Melody. The dynamic of of length of the notes it's all very meticulous and thought out but basically the view is to really just challenge yourself and push yourself and think about things twice before you put them in but also finding that balance of not losing. What comes naturally to you on twitter. You called wildflower of Frankenstein of everything that you love about music and we thought it'd be fun if we could break down some of its sounds and share the references that you're hearing and the references that we're hearing right off the top we have this beautiful intro feels like queen or the beach boys to me but I mean not tutoring hall. And but that's what we're going for the vocal group stuff you know. That is so much better than what I heard for. Some reason my year went to fleet foxes but within the context of the Song I think the Queen and our beach boys makes a lot more sense. I like that and then we move into the guitar tones here which are pure eighties bliss. Yeah we're getting like Cindy lauper time after time vibes here What do you think I think there's a bunch of different guitar? Sounds intones of what was inspiring us. I think a big one for me was a waste man. Also back into the eighties remain inaccessible. The huge one especially because they're Stralia as well tunnel. I think they know a staple sound for their time. Talk talk was a big one. I was really taken by the way in which the chorus is phrased. It is really unique. There's a middle melody. There's a Lo- melody there's a Hi Melody. Quite unique phrasing kind of choppy. What's going on there? Yes so basically? The basic idea in the room was two Oscars producer already. Had the track laid out here. The stabs in the chorus and the basic idea was to ride around the stabs. Really leave the stabs kind of open and prominent as if they were lyric themselves. So that was the first foundation that we laid and basically we just started singing as many ideas as we could. Once we hooked onto something that we lights we expanded on net ideas and we came back and we tried something different and kind of left no stone unturned because he had he had a Swedish guy in the session will two Swedes. You had one Canadian. He had to Australian so it was a total like culture. Like fuck ary in in the room and everyone coming in with his needs strange ideas which was awesome. Well if everyone gets to sing apart I I call the low part. I hadn't really heard any other sort of contemporary or Nostalgia. References the closest thing. I could hear that uses the same sort of style. Was this weird bridge section in tears for fears. Everybody wants to rule the world. Jesus sounds cute. Forget period through like a fuzzy speaker right now. Still big intoxicants down. Just dummying in that Grazie. We love all that eighty stuff. That bridge like with the keys and Canada Open. Uis is definitely taking from that kind of live whether it was directly inspired by that Particular Song. I like that. I'm actually enjoying all the references. Where maybe it wasn't the thing that we offer like any of the Psalms but actually has a similar vibe to it being exactly what we're listening to you like and referencing and in the writing process of any of the songs but it's really it's super close in the same kind of John. Repack will throw one more reference out there and see if you're still so favorable because when we get to the bridge of wildflower. We're almost hearing this moving in kind of a new age direction settlement. I don't know what to say other than the thing that my ear immediately went to. Enya and I mean it the greatest way I love that song yeah anyone in now career as ever comparative as the Great Thing. Fantastic calm you recently posted to youtube a short video breaking down all the stems of this song the individual components and when. I was listening to that. I heard something that really took. My ear is just the Johns and parts together all here. You have all these loops all these live drums at the top and with the courts here. The stabs you mentioned that were before earlier stabs. What is a stab basically for me? A stab is is when in terms of the whole band. Accentuating note or a pattern or a sound old cohesively at the same time. That's what stabbed means for me and you described the potential kinds of layers that you think might have been in the stab that brought you. How could you describe? Yeah I think Oscar would've used I mean without giving too much of the sacred sway. It would have been a lot of a lot of layered since. I think there was a prophet in. There probably was a Juno and those deathly doubt case sound. Well the stab. We think has a larger history. We have a segment. We like to do called classical masters where we relate something from the present into the past here in particular we noticed what we usually call an orchestra hit. You're calling a stab in reminded us of a video. That are vox colleague. Stelle caswell made for her video series earworm on Youtube. Here's a style. There are all types of orchestral heads but the original actually comes from nineteen eighteen. Ten when you're Stravinsky premiered. His piece the firebird at the Paris Opera. Check it out. What's crazy is how Stravinsky's orchestra hit made it onto hundreds of records in the nineteen eighties. And he did that via one other important Ozzie. Who INVENTED THE FIRST COMMERCIAL? Sampler I'm vocal. I developed the first commissioner sampling synthesizer which was at seeing my back in about nineteen seventy five. Ironically the orchestra hit was a complete accident which was sampled by. They had just happened to have a Ivano recording Boots wait nearby when always missing around that focus Turkey which I think was right at the beginning of one of the tracks and that's a good set. Peter called the sound or two and put it on an eight inch floppy disc full of those other stock sounds and obviously people to like into so. That's African Planet Rock and the stock sound or Ck two on the fairlight. Cmo became smash. You can hear it on the pet shop boys always on my mind. Duran Duran's viewed kill the smiths. Last night I dreamt new orders. Bizarre Love Triangle and even spears lucky features the ORC to sample which actually takes us back to Yacoub who is also on your track wildflower. Oh I didn't know that I had no idea the segments actually called the first sample with this. Yeah that's right. So this device the fairlight semi was this old computer. It was extremely expensive. Very people could afford it. At the time this giant computer was run off a floppy disks. And it was the original sampler it was the original even sort of like digital audio workstation where you could sequence things on a screen and so one of the famous sounds. Was this Stravinsky sample. That just happened to be in Peter. Vogel Studio he recorded in and then it became the sound of the nineteen eighties. It was on so many sounds so when I hear the stab on wildflower. It brings me back into this whole body of work. That connects us. Ozzy Ozzy Ozzy. I think I mean. Even on the last couple of albums we feel like the Star. We've been putting in this space. Didn't really feel very comes win. As in people would call one thing. We felt like another thing like I said you know team. Teenagers and I think the burden four thousand becomes like over. Everything started experimenting particularly with with cow plane. More and more keys than keyboards on and being like a junior or a profit or something like in trying only sounds. Then you go. Oh who's this sounds like. Oh sounds all his pants. Lease LIKE COOL. Sounds like opens up a whole new melodic puppet. Yeah we've unpacked some of the Frankenstein musical elements that have gone into this track wildflower. What else can can people expect to hear on this album? So red desert opening album. And it has a very crosby stills Nash like Americana Eagles opening locally like the lighter side of that song really odd how they came about in the same process. They feel like similar with the vocal vocal style. Did like Big Gang Hamis like big like stuff like that but it wasn't. It's almost like complete end of the spectrum. In front here's some depeche mode and on on the more acoustic verse stuff like were trying to get like Jeff. Buckley storytelling The Great Johnny Cash. And it's kind of a weird mixture of hike when we talk about wildflower talking about Anna and talk talk and then we've got the eagles and Mike Darker stuff like nine sales and like depeche mode and like I said like Woolas singer-songwriter oddest as well in the same way. When you share Tim and Paula. You know your impala here we are getting such a as you put survey Frankenstein of references and yet it so clearly five seconds of summer. I've been playing it in the background for the last couple of days. It's been out and every single time. My attention feeds. Because I'm taking care of my new little Kiddo. Immediately something happens. I'm like whoa. GotTa go listen to pick up the kid and coach. What's happening in the track? Those in the bud. Listen guys this has been a lot of fun. Thank you so much for joining us all right. Thanks for going through references. It makes me makes me happy pin to be on this. That makes me excited to make music. 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The Grunge: The Nightbird Presents: 2020  - Pearl Jam, Tame Impala, The Weeknd, etc.

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The Grunge: The Nightbird Presents: 2020 - Pearl Jam, Tame Impala, The Weeknd, etc.

"You've heard the music now. Here's the story from director frank marshall. Hbo's new documentary the bg's how can you mend broken heart. Chronicles the highs and lows of brothers berry morris and robin gibb and the evolution of the prolific career as the bee gees through interviews and never before seen footage discover how they navigated the ever changing music industry and complex dynamics of family and fame. Watch it now on. Hbo and hbo. Max grunge became a noun. It seemed a way to hold a bunch of bands on the way somebody decided to call it garage brunson flannel shirt to the night bird. Jared i'm not sure what has happened recently but just recently over the last little handful of episodes for some reason i've completely lost the ability to start the show. I just for some reason. It's gotten hard. I don't know i don't know what to do. I forget what to say. The whole rhythm is lost. It is it's a you know we did the same thing. You do them zeal. It didn't get you anywhere and now subconsciously. You're coming to the realization late no matter what amount of effort you put into. This ain't no one buying a tesla ain't no one getting the camper van eight. I'm fucking camps. Still sewn cars. This is listen. This is just going into the deep blue sea where no one can find it. Welcome to the night bird on this episode. We're going to be reviewing i mean. Okay hold on. You want to start this over. Still boudreau anyway guys. Welcome to the night bird. We have special episode tonight To wrap up the year. We're going to do the best of twenty twenty meaning the best music released in this year. Wow all right oh by the way. I'm joseph rose. And i'm jeremy jerry would. Let's tone it down a little jeremy. Jerry would okay all right So that's what we're doing tonight. Now let me just make a brief sort of explanation of what's happening You guys know the deal night bird rather than do an album. We're doing playlist okay. So there's a playlist tonight that i've put together assembling. You know some of the best music. That i came across twenty twenty now. Here's the deal with this playlist This was an issue for me. Really so i have a ton of albums from the year. Twenty twenty that things that were released in twenty twenty and in most cases they're vinyl. You know a few that. I don't have on vinyl now. These things aren't included in the playlist. Because i was getting these records. And i wasn't listening to them. I was saving them for my record club. I think we've talked about record club briefly on here i host. I host a periodic record club with friends and we listen to music for the first time. And it's a nice time but because of covid and all the stuff. We weren't having record club. So i've been accumulating all these potentially great records that i have not listened to yet you wanted to wait for other people really. I would save them for record club because we listen to records for the first time altogether. But do you do. I'm surprised that i'm doing. I'm here now because in puerto becker club. You would never come. You were invited. Oh well you refused. Every time. I i didn't know what to do with my hands. I always bothered me again. I'm coming over the stigma. Yes not stigmatism. Overcoming a stigma being having something a little aggressive having music played at me right and that bothered me and then when we all think of as a group of men in a dark room listening to ina god vida always just men or women group of a of organisms in a room having music played at loud volumes. And i've told you don't really talk through it. We don't we don't really talk through it if we you know if we have a little something we wanna say. We're free to say here is though people you do with Would you have rather done that with people who want to listen to music like this thing. Now we'll have people come over for record club music music. But i never came over and i never showed any interest in listening to anything. And i'm here funny how that works johnny. So a ton of records potentially great records that i might love and have would have included on. This list are simply not included. Because i haven't gotten to listen to them yet. And i mean we're in the neighborhood of twenty albums well. There's no way going to catch up. But i'm going to have to catch up. You're going to have to have people over for hours and hours. Well i'm unfortunately. I'm just going to have to start listening to them by myself. We don't want those people. Because i want to hear these records. I liked them. You know something appealed to me about them. And i ordered them and i have a stack a record sitting right there I've been watching this for six months watching this. Get bigger and bigger. That's the record globalist Yeah interest and that's not even all of their numbers so the list is a little handicapped tonight you know. And so you'll see it just things we learned about in two thousand twelve. Joseph learned about twenty twenty and there were some albums that came out this year that we're kind of disappointments from like noteworthy bands like green day for example. They put out an album. And i don't know that it's a bad album it. It didn't really grab me you know it didn't hold my attention of i. I may revisit it. I'm sure. I'll try but i didn't include any of it on this list because none of it really like really did it for me in that way so and i normally keep our playlist. Who about an hour and tonight. We're a little short fifty three minutes. It does handcuff you a tad. I i know the hour is hard. I mean i came in under. You know this time i i didn't i was you know. Think before we go into the point twenty is there are banned that you discovered that was from the past that you didn't know about like that was like oh man. i wish. I didn't wish i listened to that. You know mine was a the breadth. Domino trio really. It's a guy it's one guy. Rob met matt madeline or whatever. He's is a british you know but it's sort of almost lamp lampoon's yacht rock and they do a lot of instructional videos and how to construct a hate like how to make love like wacky quirky stuff like it's funny league but he he doesn't eat he plays it one hundred percent belly. The guys like nerdy like he shouldn't be singing like the way sings. You know like i can't. I'm trying to think of somebody. Who sings like with a deep baritone. But not tom jones but a little bit above that. Sure almost like a vic ashley but like not. Gasoline was sort of corny. This guy's corny but sort of knows it. It's just it's interesting. It wasn't corny though by the way that has pipes sure does that. Pipe dour hall. People make fun of hondo. It's all daryl hall home. Legit has a real guy legit. I mean if your yacht rockers. Enduro doesn't belong here. he will lewis. I guess lewis has pipes to shoe. Lewis was a bad motherfucker hannity. Also i mean fun. Fact about huey lewis huge dick. He's got a huge dick. Tom jones. I guess second time we got to bring up tom. Jones did fairly sausages are massive. Yeah he we. Louis got a big big one weird weird once you know. Here's he sounds like a brother though. Okay racist what the fuck does that saying. I'm just saying there's some stereotypes and they're terrible. It's amazing we haven't been literally thrown off the internet yet because of you like what you can be third off. The internet should actually be cancelled. Copy i feel cancelled any news to share anything jerry. What's going on with you. I finished up my christmas shopping. I wanna do something Almost hipster i shop local. I didn't go to a big box store from my stuff. Went to the local shops but a necklace that was made out of A re bomb material refurbished bombs or. I've never furbish bombs bombs that were dropped and the metal and the shrapnel it came from shrapnel yeah and they made a necklace out of it and there's a little story that goes along with it to give you a card about that particular piece in what bomb landed where it's fun in that goes to my wife and i got a The mario kart Rar see car you can set up and it it broadcast to the game so like what's going on in your house is happening in mario kart too so you got princess peach. I can't wait to play. I bought it for myself. The cats my my daughter. But it's not what did you do. I had quite a day. Today i woke up know was up early with my kid. I then dropped my kid off school to his mother. Ochre and then i came back home and i eight three grams of mushrooms. What time is this was. I'm relative this. This was about nine nine in the morning. Yeah nine nine thirty ish. We were doing completely different things. I took three grams of mushrooms. And i laid in bed in the darkness. Silence mostly with little donny. The my first son and Or produce we just we just laid in bed for about seven hours was a dog trip into because that's sitting there for seven hours. No he was in and out a little bit but yeah he was just hanging out with me. That's cool yeah and I had a very introspective contemplative journey. Do you feel different well. I don't know about different but it was a fairly intense. Contemplative journey did a lot of searching asking myself questions about myself and my life and Trying to make some decisions and and you know we always want to make adjustments right leg you wanna focus on the things that bring positive feelings and cut down on the things that don't that bring negative feelings or or anything like that and so. That's that's what i'm always working out. I always temper if i do. Anything introspective. I realize that whatever and it sounds totally negative. It's not realize it's going to be negative but it's part of it You can cut as many positives out but it will. There will be a new negative that will come with cutting out the positive putting out the negative. You know what i mean. You cut a negative outcomes going to fill the void. It could be more house why but it you have to deal with some level of strife and and roadblock life is complicated things perfect in if you can if you can eliminate distractions yeah and if you eliminate imperfections and correct those things and then you're doing a great job if you can minimize the deficiencies but I started really broad. I started in my mind. I was thinking just generally what what makes me feel. Good what do i like. what do i not like. What's what's stressing me out. What can i do you know. How do i figure this out and you know that. Sounds like really obvious stuff. You know you can pinpoint obvious things pretty easily but men you can really get in there. And i myself a lot of questions about myself. I really sort of poke a lotta holes in my own in my own game. You know i really try to call myself on any bullshit and be real real with myself and sometimes that's not the most fun no Today was not particularly difficult in that sense but there are. There's a lot of being real with myself about you know. Are you doing this for the right reason are you. Are you doing your best or whatever you know or are you just being the best version of yourself Because that's what i want. You know what we want to try to be right. I mean i guess if you're being mindful at all about your life you wanna try your best to be the best version. I don't know i'd i'd be okay with being a mediocre version myself. Along is everything turned out at the end. I could you know it doesn't matter the floyd of the missile as long as it's is target i'll tell you it is a real real over simplified version but i try my best but a thing that and this is not new. This is long running like knowledge about myself. I'm a perpetual failure. I fail at everything. You know everything. I do a failure and that has to do with subjectively how you might define it as being successful like what's success. I don't know So when i say. I'm a everything's failure. I mean that's espn two blankety. That's a very vague and sort of thing Well okay well you this will your your sort of famous metric or your. I don't know most common metric is financial success. That's one that you measure things a lot by a half to. Yes i wake up with it. Every day i think a lot i mean. Look we all gotta deal with those people. It just me. If i don't if i don't put myself out there emotionally like if i go to work i don't put forth effort to impress something then i don't make money you know so i have to wake up with hope. Yeah and a half to actually jump into being social which. I'm not naturally. Yeah so yeah. So you by the agile your metric that metric and make no mistake. I'm not here to say like. I'm this a monk like figure that doesn't care about money. I try real hard to not. And i definitely don't care about status or anything but i like gadgets and i like i like freedom comfort freedom. I like freedom. I want to be able to go. Where i wanna go and do what i wanna do. And what that means is money because when you got money you can do all that and when you don't you kinda can't and so by financial measures failure my projects throughout my life. I mean here. I am with no tesla still a lot of a lot of us in the country. Don't have tesla yeah. I mean. I really wouldn't put down. I mean financial. Well just saying by that. I know there's another guy made albums. Yeah they didn't make me rich that that's the thing i've made podcast. Financial success is is a. It's when i get money. I'm not really too interested in i. In fact. I don't even care about the money i saw whatever. I'm just happy if the things are taken care of. And like i said with the missile thing i said earlier the it can go to and fro and that sorta how months and weeks ago. You don't sell anything you don't do. Anything the paychecks. Lillian. they're big. But as long as you hit that target at the end. And i were you want to have freedom now. Need that freedom. Now you need you need. You wanna do what you need to do now. A lotta people push that off to when they perceive the live the when they think the live long enough to retire and do that. Yeah and i man. I never understood that like no. I'm gonna. I'm gonna have all my fun when i'm too old to have fun. That's turn it's supposed to be the the winter the years the salad days you know this is we earned while you're dying. I work this hard. I'm almost dead now. You're going to have a lot of fun. let me go. Yeah i mean you know. Yeah i don't i. I can't do that now because there's no because there's no guarantee in that like we all know. We could die tomorrow with a lot of people do that. You're not terribly into that thing. With the reason. I have always insurances is like if i do die. We care because i worked hard. You know but they. I guess even you know men. Forgive me Tangent city here. But during you know when i'm in a a mushroom trip like that when i'm just sort of being introspective and thinking about all this life stuff and whatever it goes you know my mind is all over the map. Oh yeah you know. And then i always like to think about my place my significance in literally the universe and then down to like my world. You know the people in my life the situations that i affect all of that stuff very powerful in the people that you touch. It sounds sexy. I try to do my horse. I around you people generous lover. You're polarizing catman. You know. I mean you know people that love your eight you or like there. There's a bring your. I've long since gotten okay with that idea because my whole shit on here before about like by version of enlightenment is reaching a state of i. Don't give a fuck. I however group in the same circles and i'm relatively forgettable i'll tell you. Why is i got along. I didn't really make a lot of ways. I was there. I was easy. I smoked a lot of weed. I drank a lot. And then i was just fun but no-one really remembers that and that's cool with like i don't get everybody was doing. Yeah but i didn't. I didn't get i don't get invited to the other things and not that i really cared for that. 'cause they did leave forbid neither here nor there but like your people will remember you people. We will always they. They see how. Jerry lee try the hate mail we get. It's always like this guy this guy this guy they'll say like a graph about you and then it'd be like jerry tries and then go right back to saying things about power blue shirt. Don't fucking blue shirt won't shut up. You know something like that but like you they know your name and that's important. I there is there the people you talked in the things. Yes but but that's that's a question i would ask like. Is it important. Am i making a difference to anyone because if it doesn't if it doesn't happen is not general feeling about myself and this feeling is duplicated for just about every person completely insignificant mayor here this is fucking pointless and meaningless at best at best in my lifetime. I'm gonna leave a lasting meaningful impression on five people in the world. There's eight billion people just about eight billion and at the end of the day. There's going to be maybe five that give a serious fuck after i drop dead and of those five that feelings going to be temporary and then like you for all five of them. The feelings going to be temporary and then all five of them are going to drop dead and then that's literally the end of me by the story. There's no legacy. I think you completely disappear two or were in two or three generations. That's it for me that'll be it'll be that that's it when those people die. I'm it's as though i never existed. Not everyone's roosevelt not everyone's a kennedy. Yeah that's what i'm saying. That's a thing like like pearl. Jam the great pearl jam. Happy birthday today. Eddie vedder recording. This on ed's birthday Pearl jam got together and they created this magical explosion and they created a legacy for themselves. They have a legacy you know that will last for generations financial. so's the financial influence on. That band will affect generations. They'll know that people know that this person's at the country club even two generations from now because of pearl jam money. Yeah and then. In my case i will have no legacy. I've never done a thing. I've never created a thing. You have though what what's going to jerry. There's no legacy. What does it. What does it mean. What does the legacy really mattered. Anybody who's who has one. That's day alad question. What does it matter. Why do i care. And then a big part of my mushroom contemplation. Today was about ego all about that. Just what what where is mine. What does it do for me. What does it do against me. How is it Affecting my decision. Making in various of my life i could go deeper into this stuff. I know glossing over it in a vague way. But we'd be here for nine hours to ask. I mean how. I i i think i change with levels of achievement or or defeat like things will like if i feel i'm getting too high on the hog like when i did at my lightest when i actually started getting like in shape. I was getting harder and harder to deal with in the general. The general public leaner to people read. I i was. I can see myself and now that i'm knocked back down a wrong because again the ten pounds back in back of jerry. I i'm like. I'm like a fish being real in you know like you're you don't be a dick i'm addicted. This is closer to where. I'm going to get caught but like levels of achievement into small things. He's to do small things and he's keep getting more satisfied with yourself until you are like you say you're so what you're saying when as you get better you become a worse person. I why is that. Because 'cause i'm truly at my core a bad person. No no i i. I'm so nice now. Everybody like really m that i know that will change once. I have the advantage i now. I'm so nice to people all the time for for whatever reason like i'm just trying to get through the day i say take nice to people because you're trying to get on the by well. Yeah but beyond that beyond that but that would be nice to the person who has to do the pricing. I had to do this. I have to schmooze and move back that once. I don't have to do that or feel like i'm better than them. Fuck dude. I'll never shouldn't feel better than anybody does. Not rock and roll man but i am going to because this is going to take this dot gov and once that happens then i can say fuck. Y'all and it doesn't have to have a legacy is the ability to say fuck this and you do it already. What you consider yourself a failure you over. Say fuck you man you already say. You're not nice to people who don't deserve it. Yeah i'm saying i'm a failure who don't but you're not fake and that's really sad is worse than any type of poverty. Being fake is absolutely. It's death it's death. One thing i can say about my you are. I am not fantastic. And so it to a point where you don't care or maybe i don't know if you care not people say terrible things about everybody but you never let you never let it get through so yeah. I don't when i say i don't give a fuck. You truly don't give that means that. I don't give a fuck about outside perspectives about me like i don't care as long as look. It comes with the caveat. If i believe that i'm right or doing the right thing or doing what i think is best then. I don't give a fuck you know. And that's that's that's that's true. I mean 'cause i'm that's true that's true enlightenment that's true success. Look jerry because i'd be the guy nailing fucked cross all right. You know work on that fuck longer. Now listen. I have a christmas present for you that i'm going to present you with right now. Is it okay well. Why didn't you tell the gifts. I got a gift for jerry. Okay i say fuck you fuck fuck you have your little christmas present why Let me see what a guy here in the jerry. S one hundred dollars all right man. I didn't know we were exchanging. Jerry's gonna open as president i just give. Joseph thinks about the gifts five dollars. Jerry's opening present. I m m methodical gift open just the president cry. I don't rip the paper. Ripped the paper. Why would you not rip it. You're going to recycle that paper. Aren't you know rabbi open. First game. I opened the cards. I do all that. Oh this bisquick bisquick. Jerry beasts visor socks socks. These are socks i got. I got you quite a collection of suit socks to step your sock game. Giant white fluffer. Oh these are french fries. You got a lot of different socks. Astronauts cheese oh. This is wonderful. I'm bring you something next week. Yes yes america's your birthday not far after that either. We don't need to talk about that. Be forty three great like these the most the lighthouse. You ever see the movie the lighthouse. I have not watched it yet. I won't i won't spoil. It is dog. i'd like these a lot. Thank you joseph. Welcome you this. Because i love jerry i love you too and i think i think the first twenty two minutes and me telling you you're a great person it really is. It's validated your. Had you talk shit. I wouldn't give this. There would have been a dog this talent for someone else. But i figured on the forgive. He's now that'd be hilarious. These are fucking. Hey guys. should we forty six minutes in. Do you want to get into like a night bird playlist. okay. I should just start well. Maybe i'll just yeah okay. Let's let's get into track. Number one cool is called instant destiny. Who's this by. This is by tame impala s. Their album is called the slow rush and fun. Fact about this album jerry. This album very important. This is my album of the year. Tame impala tame impala lows like low rush was talking to a burgeoning hip hop amateur hip hop artist favored art favorite artists. Well he has appeal laid the weekend. Oh this is great. The weekend i thought the weekend was a one trick. Pony like darby dude. The guys jim is real. But i love this album so much. It is so good and it was the most impactful album for me. twenty twenty. he took over What album that we listened to where we listened to tame impala midway tame impala and teena marie if we were to recap twenty twenty there was now shut off. Play teena marie and team at bala. I love his music now. Listen hear that part. He comes into that. Little chorus does that so he uses that in the song he liked. Teases the part it. You'll have to hear it it. It's really great the way he does this and this kevin parker is tame impala little australian. Hippy guy he does all of this themselves. We talked about them recently. He's a one man one man band in the studio all the writing performing mix production. All kevin parker. How much would that across right there. Listen to this he sneaks in the. I'm about but he doesn't do as he does. You'd like keeps building to that part and it's so great the way he lets that tees. I love that does it is it is. I think it hurts us out. Lavas isleta and pretty sure this guy. He's the saxon to Fax it sounds like a compliment. Don't you think eighties. Contemporary was the type music. Well joe jackson. That was pre. Yeah i love but this has this album and this track and this album. It has a a bit of a. I don't know dreamy. Sort of i and romance about it. You know addicted to baseline and he's alive today. Gadget doing this all by yourself. Another guy who just just to meet sixteen percent your town fleet at us and all the production shit you have so i can use it. You can do something like this right. You have stuff like this. We could make an app. We can make an apple absolute. I've made a lot of albums. Let me make an album. We should make one detract number two an important track dance of the clairvoyance by none other than pearl jam. Yes sir twenty twenty album gigaton tons. I think you know you said this wasn't your favorite. Certainly not my favorite pearl jam album by any stretch with going on your though but this is great. This was really fun to hear pearl jam just totally get weird full a talking heads. Yeah yeah we brought them up today. Talking against they were going to do the best twenty twenty and i thought it was gonna be the talking head live about. What do they call it. A just listening pods. There's a whole movie about. I'm not gonna compare these guys. Reporters with food fighters do something a little bit electronically just to with their sheen teams own. Little doesn't sound like them. I believe this. God mr stone gossard on the bass on this track amend jeff and did a little guitar on they just kind of switched it up as a killer abuse type thing going maybe no You'll always get that groovy and it started. I know they. They had just like a tight little drum machine playing the beat on this and that just went in and played the drum machine be like with trump's Played a real tight and so they used matt's part sort of mimicking drum machine. It's not easy to move me immigration machine easily. He's does that good. Ed why like this. I will listen to this again both these songs. I'll listen to it again. Say that about allow the other alphabets. It is not like this though not by a loan now. This is an anomaly anomaly. Not only album putting in the pearl jam cadillac and i wanna let you know as far as this free episode and all guys who are tuning into listen to grunge people talk run stuff from a tell you one thing. I don't listen to this shit. Joseph does and that's where we're literally pearl jam. It's i should have listened to the sound before actually heard it onto this thing because am on the grunge plod gaddi. Yeah caprice. i love that too. Funny line the boys want to grow their dicks and fix and file things. I never want to file a fucking thing in my life to me. Hasn't tell me to file shit. I'll shred something though. Say go shred that go over fat guy going to subway man. i'm into a bit ups. You big people go to subway. I'm wrong with that subway. That's the guy was like doing stuff to kids or look. There's no longer exposed. I s subway do other things sam. Another guy really. They don't they're not gonna put all their eggs in one basket again. Let's not what are you thinking about this of it into this. I like this broken. It's exciting you know when a band like pearl jam old guys. They're in a little. They get weird. You know you've always got all i've ever wanted recently from pearl jam in recent years is just the chance at one last weird pearl jam album. Give me one. Last weird hurled did not been. Well i mean it gave me hope you know that may maybe we've talked. I think briefly on here that they now finally this late in their career have a whole like home based studio situation. That's there's this. Track is the underwhelming from pushover. Featuring maynard james keenan on vocals of course from tool as circus not pusa fire is yards who suffer plus a for christopher plus as always posting boots. The tap open fire announced. This one's called the underwhelming again. Another little shoulder. I would have preferred. Best is beth from product and Sorry priorities has no women in it. I'm sorry portishead. Oh yeah def. Gibbons from per i done this better now benca with beth gibbons you want to do the dishes real quick. Listen to breathe darren. he'll try. I should say this album. What does this album culture pulsipher. I forget existential. Reckoning is the newest album. And i don't love the album but this is a pretty jazzy song. I've had had a by jazzy. I mean cool. Yeah all had a Commonality far when i like fan of again ordinances synthesizer good good veld. Vogel's we haven't lost yet. I know deep. God blessed ami god bless. Do thank god. He's dead on their this herald funky orbital type five into the urine defunct you like the beat hell not all hard-driving yelling trying to figure out. I love all kinds of ship. Had this milovan map. I think this is a conscious commonality but this is one of the things we do. Have the real songs like. This will always like a real real episode. Yeah we did. A lot of that is to keep upbringing thinking but that was one of our top reviewed albums and meet my concern but that was a lot of a lot of funky. No no and that's the one thing. We do have a calm that you won't hear his hates on the you'll hear is hate somebody sing out of key you know i. I don't know why unless it makes sense. This is the great equalizer. This is really the first time we've listened to like contemporary music. Like you know we may have thrown a song or two. But i don't know. I think we have our most fun. Foreigner played or something like that but this I figured what the hell is the year you know. Merry christmas happy new year. Everybody again we had to condense it. We would be here for six hours listening to the best between twenty and again i heard a lot of things i liked on on on different radio stations. Do i have a car. That tells me when i'm listening to you know my car's oldest book so it doesn't it just head on you. Are you aware of any like twenty twenty albums that you liked or even listen. I just listen to radio. And i i again. I think that that. I'm in the minority here. Do this spot. If people will listen to spotify gig give suggestions sure and i don't listen to spotify youtube guy. I've a youtube playlist. Listen to what. I want to listen to in the morning. Recently it's been the war of the world soundtrack. But it's been like that since i was eighteen. I listen to what. I listened to but I wish i think when you said you were gonna do this. I was like oh. No i do any research i really did. Same thing and twenty. I listened to yeah. It's on her dad The migos are like migos speeds. Don't like wrapping. i like these But i if i knew this existed as would have been on my reader plus a for They have those several albums out. The one that i love from them is called conditions of my parole. I really liked that album. pretty much. The whole labs real solid. But i don't. I haven't loved any other album that they've made for whatever reason this one has some jams on it and i'm going to give it a few more chances as an album but there was some stuff on there. That was just kinda bummed me out as well. Eat some of these dummies. He okay next up. The song is called black shadow. The band is called spell book to there was never a bengals belbow before. That's not where song collection as the vincent black shadow. Now this one might throw you for a loop but it's a rocker. Is there anything on this. That sort of full get full sake. Bang as one thing. I know that bang bang. Bang shit. you're in it a mom i like. Here's a the chorus progress as seven times and there were wait a minute. Say another separate good times. And that's that's okay. I think we had that was rocky. Ride iraq kisses rocket ryden disciple. Acc here are a little bit. You know shirt. Don songs are named likely what the team was named the altman and song. The album is the slow rush. The slow rise. The song we heard was instant destiny right lack shadow. You gotta live up to that ship against the destiny on what i'm going to get into. India pleasantly surprised in my in the black shadow. Better fucking work. Because that's a bad ass. You know naming a kid logan. You'd better be fucking monica though out here me Argue with that instruments. That you don't you don't get a lot love on guest starring john hopper. Oh yeah oh yeah. They just take one of his bandelier. That's stolen while i was fishing. If he was in the water and that he would think immediately. I mean he's gonna be monica. Oh he lost weight. That's right that's right i. Better fatty looked weird. Ben and i saw roseanne and this works when roseanne eighty nine or something like ninety two pair. This is just like a rock kind of a classic metal rod. There was a moment that i thought that was gonna come back at the end of the little thing low. That darkness is a great dark. This is the beginning and then steel panther shortly thereafter of the route. I love still goes out. There might be a renaissance. Blake just like real hard. Rock glam metal. It sort of fell all that jazz oregon and these weird and like uptight right now and the united states for heavy metal to be like in the mainstream. No man i see. I see i see these rappers nowadays where i got a lot of my twitter tricks that i've since given up because i was looking at offsets twitter and i was like that seems like i can do. I don't even know who that has from the migos. It in like but no. That's where i got my shift from but like the that's super it's all about things we will people can't do you know event. The doors this track is called posthumous forgiveness. I heard this at a coffee shop. Tame impala i listened. I heard this at a cost. Low rush album litigators once. Maybe we will. This really gets me. I've been i've been put into an emotional state by the song song about this dudes dad. I've talked about this. Yeah as i heard it was a single man like a younger man. Like team impala said the hot barista and like the game. I like game five. all right. you wanna go hang out later without baristas a dare here always sort of looking last time. I bought ceramic last day. Why it says all sober now. That was a fun. Way to get a dig in all the all left leaning. Yeah people to see that you just going to carry around a ceramic clock. I care and a plastic around with liquor like that only generates users to hide it in like your jacket pocket so take it out was like every time. I looking at a cigarette older. Like there's only ten they're gonna run out of cigarettes so cool when they flip it out. John saxon the shit. I see somebody flip. Open a cigarette holder. i'm gonna smack. That should out of their hands. You're gonna you're gonna dented god. I love that it's got some isaak's walk on by guitar. This got a real jam is is interesting in its arrangement in that. It's kind of split into two. The song will change dramatically at one point and go into an entirely different section. You know it feels like a different song kind of. I think we even brought it up last time i was a guy. I'd never not wanting to that to happen because of the who. Who would all that. Second part of. The song really gets made the most last time i talked to her. I'm gonna let you listen to that. Same bar real good la. You've got all this shit though. That wendy carlos mu keyboardist brian. But he got fuzzy. Wah bo's come with topics come with our mcbride blind leader jamaica into this. What's that she meager. Enter this macron. We are the grunge. Come around freaked out is one of the number is where i'm not on a soda again. I'm not on mushrooms for this. You say psycho silla silla ban. That's what we should call it. Cbs on the psycho syllabus. Or here we got this is the change goes instrument. Doesn't this fucking guy put on it. It's everything in their air. The air i have fond memories of an era. I had a sexy boy safari news. Great fucking kanye love. This kills me when he does the little falsetto boy. I love you producing your stuff. Telling you what to do. Creativity yeltsin's he added get pro published. So there was some level i mean roughing out min- doing his own toward the no. I mean i don't think anybody's telling shit about. I'll think they're sango. Back infects the investment. In money's low. Does all those everything but he paying for. Actually that's freedom. Why don't we just do that. This podcast i'll sing at a high pitch. I have problems. but what. What are the major themes that we this is one of the few times that we're dealing with the unique being a father and a son. Yup but every i like the change deals with depression relationships and sex and love and death the every fucking album. We do this strike. No that was the. That was the best again. Jesus this is midnight phantom promote band lucifer from their album lucifer. Three as a bad company on the bad company by bad comedy. All this i really got into lucifer to. I haven't spent as much time with lucifer. Three but it is. Solid is not. The name of the band is lucifer. Okay and are there three different iterations or three different album. Powell like your voice. I like the lead singer. She's good segment. I was about to say the celtics shit list. Lack phantom gothi yup. Oh she did a peace deal do they. Up their number. Every time they release down there loser losing their. It hasn't happened yet but bela's for four inclusive youth. Maybe they'll maybe they'll do it untitled or something like this led zeppelin four actually was i had had people sandwiches repeating and meatball sandwich his full. Stop coming up. i'm not going to vomit. don't vomit jerry. If i do. I'll leave be sure to get up on the nauseous. But this is lucifer. Sorry one song be jerry. Puke sox midnight phantom the again another two words and you put together you better be fucking good. They're they have a great video for a song from the last album lucifer to i believe the psalmist called dreamer if you guys really do yourself a favor and look up lucifer dreamer video there. It's fuck and i don't even wanna ruin it but just let me tell you that this woman is riding a white horse like through the forest and there's all kind of other shared there's leather where it's fucking fantastic. When i had my phase iii phase just a couple of years ago in this very garage before it looked like this. I had a major phasing woodworking. I got into woodworking and would turning doing all this stuff. I really was into it and during that time. I was listening to that lucifer to album a lot while i was doing my working out here guitars. Hack my thumb open on a table salt. He told a story about how how you did the same thing you were going to do anyway. That's right now. These are young people. I said he said a lot of leather. That that's not especially young and that's ton of the leather at at an over thirty thing right there. The i saw the little jacket. I don't have one i do. I have had. I had one but it wasn't a great leather jacket. The one i have it was like a hand me down. It was kind of stiff. I would like to get your minds off. Busted up got nine two. Oh yeah. I got fat. I didn't fit me. But i was a kid. It was way too big. And then got a fat there in the middle power negga fat and fitting the now i lost. We now fits megan bonelli. It's fucking it. Smells off the land. No one wears leather any not. I can't wear convincingly anymore. There was a time when leather jacket. The great when your hair gets a little longer. You're going to be bad s right now. I looked like a leg throw. And you let your beer grow little beards going to grow your whole. Were gonna be something. I want the incubates guys here. All right next up this song is called radical from a band called waylon storms and this album is fucking gnarly. This album is tough as seriously rattle. Every song on this album is one word. Wonder song title one word easy. Yeah like pretty cool. Sounds ominous barry. I have no idea what these guys look like. I've never seen this fans you've never even looked. I never looked him up like their actual persons. I've never seen them. But in my mind i have a whole picture. Banjac this guy see them playing. I in my mind i know what they look like. It's probably completely wrong. I see them playing on a mountain a different levels guys tabah lightning night. It's tough man outta hair. What do you think in his own. Yeah i dig it. Definitely dig it. I just. I think this is probably one of those songs. I'll be better now. Context for me at least yeah. It's it is. It's representative of the sound of the album It's it's good. I really liked the album. I don't know one single thing about this band. No idea about anything. Couldn't tell you if this how many albums they have. This could be the only could be the ten. I have no idea you know. Is there a chills. And we put a Was it that al we played for. That was the w did a new undiscovered artists review. Oh yeah oh on this one of the best albums of the year. You know what though we're going to say it we hadn't thought of it unforgotten sons. You want to be one of the best tracks of the year. Two hundred bucks you want us to pay us to our best of the week headed definitely into their own amount amount. Now it's starting to rain in that Large animal a glowing is now appearing and behind it behind the lead singer who is mixture jerry cantrell and drummer from alison she said. Oh no sean. Kenny is going to get any jerry. Kenny diddy yet epic now fucking the birds. Vultures a demon bear. I guess i'm just really explaining. Death block is death off. Yes got hold to my you know. Some people hold a stand. This guy's just on it. you know. I picture this guy playing guitar. Oh no i think that david power he needs. Yeah not distracted but again. I have no idea. I've never seen this and i don't even know how many of them are in the band. I don't know anything. No give me the fucking found this thing. I heard a little bit of it. I would like that sounds cool as fuck bought the album. That pile there Not in that pile. Because i already listened to this one. The bear grows wings and flies away. This next track is called. is it true is it. Is it from tame impala rush out june album of the berg the but here you're listening to the representation. They listen sweet. I would love to do this some club. Shit what's your name down on table. I don't know. I don't want to get a table actually talking to a stripper can i. Can you get on the table. Now get a table. They're trying to tell her name. Yes you've utilized said. I love that shit. Like he's saying what he say. Something like i'm in love with you. But how do i know i'll always be like. Should we get married. Like how do i know don't also daft punk shows off. He did a song with that. I mustn't supernova says like on many more death under the guise recent album random access memories. Real fucking green. Everything drill green david. David only time that app. Holy mother fucker perfect accountable. You don't just get farrell for reasons as he might be the weaker part of the show. He didn't happy did nerd. I love that park. She said is. There's a huge just on team college. We'll do next time. No we already listened to. He's gonna be album of the year. Fallen tame apollo podcast. We've jerry demon. Powell hyper did you say night bird. He knows we have to solve call bird on after this point. I must say there isn't one that we meet. There has several comic books. Shit like book. Woes cassini channel shit. He loves doing that guy. Somehow i was one of those. You know those little boy you blow into. He has one in your somewhere at the fuck. I can't remember right now. Mouth accordion not according accordion. Part of it is the main laurie soundtrack as every instrument. A wall of light. Diodes wires these plugs into you're describing a modular synthesizer. Jerry is a whole wall. Got it like in the eight. A modular thing. But he doesn't know what they're out of it. I mean you find at sprays it's experimentation. Spend a ton of money on it. Yeah you so happy with it to like just might fever. But i have a little analog simple in the house and it is not a modular But it has a little patch bay on it where you can take the little cables and plug things to manipulate the sound and it is pretty cool. I really love that little syntax. This guy has a wall of it. And then he knows it to whoa. This is of course. Paula blinding lights. Czar from the weekend so sort of a hit song. This year i would say. I don't love this newest weekend album as much as i have loved the last couple. But it's legit. Have you listened to any of the band's like dinah tron or anything that would they do do. This is all they know. Look up look up some this banter that maybe you can show. Hey yesterday. I like the song got us lane. What shoe gaze. Because hear it's bullshit. I like the name of shoe gates. Commute sounds to gaze not a jordan. That's easy for a big hit. This is the production that music needs. Now you know if you're gonna talk about like aren be hip hop in the production that needs to be out there now. Nothing nothing against today's hip hop but its basic they're saying the same shit over and over again as no real i mean. The showmanship is aimed at the lifestyle. Not the works. i mean that. That's that's that's not all of it. You know you still have several different. Good artists are out there now. But this is what this is what music heath now. Popular music least shirts. Because there's a kid. Now listen to this. Try this and it's only going to get better. I mean i like that kid could just as easily listened to the eighties. Could but like. That's not cool. Who wants to wear frigging flock of seagulls shirt. Two thousand maybe do now. Everything's paying flukes by war pants so tight that they were now in high school or middle school or to fuck got killed at. I was born and i was poor mattered anyway partly played at the dealership. Everyone's oh yeah. Bang bang bang bang. Bang that's big now. I wouldn't know it's it's big now. I hear it. My daughter loves it. It's probably not on my radar beetlejuice. Beetlejuice theme yeah that defendant not be deos are you on your phone on the nypd sir. Yeah i'm trying to do some important work here. This is an important okay. You could say. I say it. All the time is not okay. This is not important. Come up next crying of the wolf's from wolf tooth okay okay. This theme then wolf to desist from their second album sounds pretty cheap. You know what. I don't love the sound of this album. It there is something. I don't know tenny sounding out the production but it was like a demo and their first love. Sound like here. This is lacking a little bit balls. I'm okay with it just sounds like it's getting. Why don't you said funny late. Seven eight months ago with all of these people listening to. i mean. listen to sixty two different albums. Sixty five really wasn't a lot of different album more than seven months ago. I wasn't able to say this song sounds cheap. Yeah i wouldn't make the mazing the amount of information by something for almost perhaps year. Yes i love doing this. Yeah i it is a weird sound. I don't hate it again. i don't hate his own. I like no are here. i'm really into it. But the general sound of the production is a little lacking again. I would like to hear even like some old black sabbath productions you know. I don't need it to be. I mean these guys are sabbath worship. Yeah that's not. That would need this to be like iron maiden. I just need a little bit more effort. He accident fucking low end to do i think of plastic fuller. When i hear this just just it has a function the wooden moment the metal edge wolf too. I really loved it. I i love the knee. Yeah you don't have to defend this. I would shoot legit too. But i really loved that for a second albany wolf too. I mean the names of these banner telling me don't suit the sound like it's five after one out right you know fan black fans what the cool kids. No i know. I didn't know about i would never even click on because it sounds cheesy omen. I should show you. I have their apps on final. Their first album cover is so fucked grade. Yeah i mean it's just that the one with his guys are doing at baseball. I liked that one baseball parks other shit straight up. Yep this is a sabbath thing on this bill. And i'd be a hypocrite by like to say like. I don't like this because i liked that ban. Sounds exactly like led. Zeppelin was her new in fleet. Complete other. I like you know what they can do it. I pretend that it's not even. I'm not even kidding. I get stoned and listen to greta van fleet and in my mind. I'm picturing crime led zeppelin robert plant with the open or the blau torino. Jimmy yet suit jack. Yeah sure i love it. That's really what i picture while. Listen to greta van world so good. Can't hate it but they were getting so much shit like i don't why i mean it. Sounds like led zeppelin more that. Please note that new led zeppelin day of the week. I wanna see what they're up to now. I just wish ken. It's it's it's the one like you know the one ball. Everything else was like a strike. This was a fall. it didn't get talking about it. It just sounds bad the production. I'm not me. I'm sorry right. Give me another bad ass name please. This is quick escape from the band. Pearl jam from the album gigaton. This is the best song. Gigaton is the best track on pearl jam's new album pearl. Jam doesn't do anything by act. What what is gigaton do you just don't you just don't know best on the best one. Just listen to jeff at space through this fucking fat. I'm a withdrawal after the last but escaped. If not always safe it planned. The songs is actually about going to mars. What else are they gonna write about. Why whoa what's wrong in their lives. Take the lyrics in this first art. Let's i might i might. I might give the semi by this one only because this is a severe departure. And you're saying that you know not all the best but it might be something. I really liked to. The songs have listened to. They appealed to me. I'll tell you what another thing. I'm pretty sure both the song we just listened to you from pearl. I'm pretty sure this is true. Both jess jeff. Aim at songs. Both jeff amazon's you the group. I wrote the song your effort light out. Jeff goes fucking buklod at the end of this. Okay this is dr lebron and he started out the end of the song. We saw about being playful. This bear mental out here and they've never experimental you've always been experiment on the lovett bivouac asleep sack in a favor. Wack wack with a sense of time. Doggone girl you ever read on the road is all over. The fucking place meandering. Yeah dude is read coming books of your really come on man. He catcher in the rye listener. Jeff at here think you needed this. Go just going with gallup disobeyed guitar in a man. We all do look at guitar alive. Show display europe. God mike mccready articulate that dude in a live setting program shows turn into the mike. Mccready shows real quick. That motherfucker zest he is possessed. He's the real deal ever looked up and after all these years he looks like he's still wants it so bad he's still killing it like he is. It's not necessary. You know what i mean like. He doesn't have to listen to subject matter of this. I mean we're ready going more thorough associate but like listen is he doesn't have to do that. Give up. your bike is just killing it. I mean he's got the guitar behind his head. He's fucking freaking the ground ripping a solo. It's fantastic looking rockstar. That's what we were going into our last song of the night guys. Right time from tame impala ear slow rushing album of the year. I think the night birgitta one artists june osborne cadillac there anomalies interest. They pattern now. Had i listened to all those other records. We probably would have had a lot more different bands on this. Listen we we should've gone with top twenty. You just talk to you over that jerry. It's a nice way to end forever. Come on. I can see this being a soundtrack. Movie starring alley cheated jail. I love so much. Jerry starring any pop album judd nelson back. He gets the west coast whistle in there from all the way from australia. Kill bill noise there. You have a fifteen year old listener as rally bitterly fifteen year old listeners. As we've recently found out go now. I thought we were talking to them and jazz. We're really talking to them. Come on jar you hear this shit. I love it. This is everything i like. I grew up in the eight man. I mean that's my word. Pet shop boys shit like that and then later like in the nineties. Five horseheads sneaker pants air you know came on gas diesel favorite guys by the best album of the year. Tame impala moon safari. Whatever what is the name of your this slow. Roger slew rush. That's like a quiet store. Storm slew rush dominant. I'm doing like three of them to do. I have three is off. the whole family can get it apart. Yeah me and my wife and my daughter real late militant about it. I'll carry my daughter. My wife joe jackson the other jackson swell embracing. Thank you a racist embrace it yet old. I'm aware of shit ain't like it used to be a good with it as well like the program. I like. it might be time to face with unless i have my hair. Thank you team. Apollo fake grape pearl. Jam released an album this year. And you have four of one artist more than that both here. That's impressive. the team of pollock is the man. I love pearl jam to the day. I die but this year. Same apolo celtics done. No i was in basan. Did you stop it. Or he's that was the end of the song. Jesus that guy is not a fucking do that. Maybe he'd eat some hotel that shit. Just nowhere there. You go the sound of two thousand twenty. I'm so glad you didn't just take a top ten list and play that i swear to god guardian go. He's easy we. We're going to go over everything popular and that should be a show. One day we do everything popular what it might be something. We should compare like our top ten to the real top. I think that would be a great show tonight. Bird lazing egg is. Yeah so would you think jerry. I thought it was great. I stick out to you You know anything that. Just have name impala really lately stuck out Wonder why because they were there. The weekend song i knew pearl. Jam should've known she don't own already right. You know it's sort of my job now and then There there was somebody in the there. There was the second. Song was not tame impala and when i liked and that was the pearl jam song so i'm gonna go with that one as one of my favorites of the clairvoyant. Answer the clairvoyant. I do like the visual of not wolf tooth the warhorse i believe we call them wolf to off to the guys on the mountain i liked. Oh waylon storms waylon swelling storm. Yeah that's a name that made sense and yeah you didn't have a stinker. They're the only one was production. The only problem was willing to to really needs to really not do that again. And hey but everything was like. I don't understand how that happens like. Did you guys listen to the. Mix on like your stereo. Did you ever hear any other albums. Did you notice the difference here. Any other end yeah. Have you ever heard anything that has based like what happened. Yeah really like injustice for all this shit. I more or less twenty is coming to an end and by the time this comes out it will be. What would jesus. The very end won't be new year's eve it'll be. I mean i can't do the math but it's going to be late. In december we late in december. And is that if that's it then we did. A great job than music is good. I really haven't listened to anything else. I'm assuming going out to the world that i can turn on the radio to any pop station. Say that's what's up. I don't think i'm going to do that. I don't think one of four point five any of your top. Ten stations are going to really appeal to me now. Know listen to waylon storm. I don't think i'm gonna find them on the radio. Find him on the internet. That's i find most of my music and that's what makes me woefully unprepared for what we did tonight but Great great mix really really dug it man. Thank you for providing. Thank you jerry. And then you've gotta socks welcome. I want you to know you're not a failure. You're well your winter. If i'm a winner. Fucking winner all winter's here and all that guy. Oh wait wait. I forgot the whole show. Jerry what's up. Hey guys you should go to the grunge podcast dot com that now and just. Just look around all the buttons. It's going to be in the description of what you're listening to only hit one of the buttons maybe don't be cheap and hit the one that says join our patron and we'll give you seven hundred and i think twenty nine or twenty seven was eight hundred forty seven hours last week. What happened to the other. One hundred thirty man jerry. Also guys jerry's fired. He's not on the show anymore. It was all my parts out. I one hundred hours of jerry gone on that note. Everybody thank you so much for tuning in and hey. I hope you've all had merry christmas. Or whatever the fuck care about how happy hannukah. I'm right in kwanza. Don't be a square by january nineteen seventy-eight a nineteen year old singer. 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Deep Sea Diver

Broken Record

41:15 min | 5 months ago

Deep Sea Diver

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Wait while the seattle based band only recently started their sent to indie rock stardom jessica dobson played in some of the genre's most defining bands toward the world as lead guitarist for beck in the shins and played keyboard and bass for the. Yes in two thousand. Fifteen jessica formed deep sea diver with her husband and drummer. Peter manson in the wake of their new album broken record producer. Larose talked to jessica about how i stay at home. Livestream series inspired her to write a pandemic anthem in record time just also talks about how volunteering at a shelter for homeless. Sex workers helped her overcome vicious bounty of depression and right which she considers to beat the best album of her career. This is broken record. Lana notes for the digital age. I'm justin richmond. Here's lee arose with jessica dobson of deep sea diver. Let's talk a little bit about your new album. Yeah so how is. The pandemic changed the release and the marketing well. Most dramatically. no touring for everybody. That's you know the most foreign thing usually this is the time you're getting ready to hit the road and like if there's any momentum keep pushing that momentum forward you know and that's always been how we've Gains new new fans and followers just like with the live show and meeting other bans on the road and it really is devastating but We've tried to to pivot and be as scrappy as possible and you know. Try to figure out what it looks like for us to. I guess the only presence you can have now is online and so just like figuring out how we want to do that and be creative with that that medium and then have you had to sort of reimagine how you present the live show or even the new music now that everything's just kinda like on zoom or your live streaming absolutely for a while we were doing like a weekly livestream when this hit and stop pretending came out of The stay home tours like livestreams that we were doing on sunday nights and peter had this like crazy idea like i think it was the first livestream we did. At the end of the livestream. He played a drumbeat. We recorded it live as we were showing people on like instagram. And he said okay. This drumbeat that i just played. We recorded it. And we're going to upload it to dropbox whoever wants to download it take it and write your own song to it at the end of that week. Like people's submissions. Were do because. I was so interested to see like okay. Obviously everyone has a different brain. Different melodic sensibilities. There's going to be so many different submission. i actually didn't know how many people are going to participate and we ended up getting like seventy people sentenced songs with this one looped drumbeat and towards the end of the week when it was do i hadn't even started writing on that drug yet and i was like. That's kinda lame. If i ask people to write like write a song. But i don't even do it. Yeah so i sat in the studio. And i try to write to the drumbeat and whatever was coming out was kind of lifeless and ended up going on a walk and i came back and then stop pretending just came out so it was written in a day was mixed the next day by me in the home studio and it was released the next day after that. Never done anything like that and it has the line. Everything's falling apart. yeah honey. i can't pretend to understand what everything's falling apart. Yeah yeah. I've been singing at around the house my little too. So good thank you. Yeah definitely was. You know. A song very much influenced by the times. It's just like it's soap. those leered. Yeah everything was just so unsure instill is there's no end date to what's going on right now and it's almost like okay. I could write like terror filled song or just something that just kind of like all right. Call beta spayed the situation. It's totally messed up. And i don't know what's going on. And i can't pretend to understand but just like i don't know the resilience of the human spirit and relating on that meant a lot to me and so for some reason the song came out pretending business your sound classically as sort of really Warm and poppy. Fuzzy sort of dreamy. How would you say that. Your sound has evolved over the course of the three albums. I think that the first album was kind of leaning more until like jiang li pop songs. Like you running. Kind of you know at the time was influenced more by like phoenix and the smiths and But then also total contrast like a lot of that darker. I love nick cave. And and so i was kind of just like finding my footing in in the first record and then the second one i think i i really try to step out more with like leading with guitar and so there was lot more jammie moments and guitar solos and heaviness and then this record i kind of feel like i i came home again to like some of my my earlier influences a lot more like narrative storytelling and songwriting at something. That i had kind of dismissed for awhile or didn't think. I was good at and so i think a lot. The songs breathe really well and they may be are not as heavy in terms of like the rock world that maybe secrets lived in. There are a lot more vulnerable so musically. They're still like a lot of those stabby guitar. A moments that. I think i try to write a lot of like what i perceived as the sounded. Almost like i'm singing lyrics melody but through guitar. There's a lot of those moments so it's an extension of my voice instead of just like heaviness and loudness and jamming ns and feedback and all that so. Yeah it's a lot. More melodic yeah. It's super catchy. I've listened to the album a lot over the last week. And it's by the second or third. Listen it's like. I feel like i'm right there and i know the melodies and they're totally sinking and that's awesome. How do you not play a melody that you've already heard from another song. Or how do you even know if your yeah you know like recreating something unconsciously i. That seems like this part of songwriting. I just feel like i would sit down and you know play like some like something very obvious and well known totally there have been moments where i literally have i mean i know i have it on voice memos where somewhere of just like being so excited to show peter partner in the band or the whole band like check out this new song and then someone goes like that's like a fight song like melody right there or or whatever like And you know something that. I'll be so excited about and i'll just have just. Yeah you wrapped up in the moment not even realize that it's like a total rip off. And then other times. I write songs by ripping off melodies so then i can get into the mindset of that artist are like literally just like pretending and trying to get out of you know my head space and then from there having the freedom to make it my own. Yeah kevin parker from tame impala was talking about the same thing And he was saying when he writes. He often tries to make a continuation of a song right like homeless. He was like talking about a beach house song that he was obsessed with s and then he tried to write like the next volume of that song yet. That's a great idea. Anything that helps like we get in our heads all the time. And there's so many reasons why not to push forward on a song and so all of those. Little tools are so necessary and helpful. So you produced this album. Ray coach my first one. I think i've been producing my whole life without knowing it and without giving it the official title but like or attempting to produce things that this was the first official one. Yeah did you come to it with an overall vision for the project. I i came to it actually in a very scary place i at the time when we were going to record this this record that is coming out. Now we'd already attempted twice to make a record coming right off the heels of like secrets and it didn't go well and i was in pretty low dark place and questioning a lot and I finally like had a couple songs that i saw some sparks in but i was still in a pretty pretty low place and peter came downstairs. Remember one day and he was like. I think you're going to produce this record. You need to produce this record. And i just instantly started started crying. I don't know why. But i just was such a fucked up place and just like didn't even have the self confidence to like. Yeah that's a good idea. So is that more pressured that feel like oh no no. I have two jobs to do. Yeah i know it felt like oh no thi- step into that role like this record will never get made or it all over. Think it Then if it doesn't do well it will really be all on me. Because i produced it and so there's so much fear wraps up in that and For a number of reasons but like basically in the end. I i was just like you know what i need to do. This and i think i'm prepared to do it. And i'm ready to jump up over that cliff. And i basically sought out like a co producer for the things that i knew that i was not like i needed a right hand man of just like i'm not good at time management. I will press record a thousand times and and then not even use it. And andy's andy park was my producer for this and there's so many wonderful things he brought to the table and really challenged me to lake. Sharpen the tip on all the songs and the lyrics and yeah it was sick a fun joyful experience. That's amazing also. Sounds like exactly what you needed to do. I think so too. Yeah i think a lot of things had been preparing me for this record. I lived in records. When i was a kid. Just i didn't realize that it was like kind of a producer mindset but i would pick apart different frequencies and okay these are the highs and these lows of the song and i will try to imagine how they would get those sounds and and so yeah it feels like i was preparing myself my whole life but just didn't know it will. Yeah maybe you didn't have the language for it yet. Exactly the intention and you had the interest really. Yeah totally on lights out the song. I'm just curious from a producer standpoint. there's a little. What sounds like a little vocal sample at the song. And then the whole you know. The beat drops in it sort of disappears from that moment. What was the thinking behind that. The one that says hot mic. Yeah and i don't know why says hot mic but there's we we're always trying to like keep spirits light in the studio but That's actually interesting that you asked me this question. Because i wanted moments on this record that brought you into a different world and then also back and then i wanted you to be able to like. You're in the studio with us to yeah at school. It's almost like you're there right before the song starts totally and hearing you know two or three seconds before the band starts playing you feel the power of the bannon a new way. Yeah absolutely. I think there's a lot of moments like that on like broken social scene records. You hear that in a lot of hip hop records actually to i mean. I'm sure you know. Yes yes what it reminded me of. Yeah especially love the kind of especially those reprises like that kendrick. Lamar does and there's semantic end like feels like he's talking directly to you And so yeah. I'm a big fan of that very cool. That song is just undeniable. That's one of the real one of the songs that really like hooked claws and to make quick. It always kind of amazes me how short it is because it seems like there's a lot packed into it but the songs on this record in general are shorter and try to do that but somehow it came out that way but they're these little buttons a little far a patch. That's lights out from deep sea divers new album. Impossible way. we'll hear more from the arose and jessica dobson after a break. Here's more of lia roses conversation jessica dopson so. I'm curious about your thoughts about the music industry because you've been in the music industry for a really long time. Yup you were signed at nineteen with atlantic. What type of music were you making back. Then and how did that happen at that time that was kind of like like right the atlantic records you'll happens. I was playing coffee shops around. I grew up in la habra fullerton area and was just kind of like just starting to come onto the scene and meet new people and one of the first people i met was This guy thompson and he played with Richard swift who has since passed. In recipe's richard played in the shins. I that's when i started buying a ton of records and going amoeba like every sunday and they were expanding my my little eighteen. Nineteen year old brain and They kind of took me under their wing. And we recorded my first demos so out of those demos. There was a song called most sundays. That kind of had this very like. I guess you could save with elliott smith kinda swung beat and those the song that kind of i guess. Put me on the map in front of these major label types. My manager at the time media showcases. I didn't know what i was doing. I just showed up and play the songs my band and then it seemed pretty crazy. All of a sudden there was a deal on the table. And i was super young and i was like oh i don't take this then i guess nothing will like this will come again so i should probably take this deal So once i sign the deal kind of felt like i was in this weird faceless system like i think that's where i started getting anxiety but didn't know what that was either at at the time ended up losing my voice for my actual speaking voice and singing voice for five months. It was the craziest experience that seems very simple. Honestly like wasn't lost on me. I know it's super crazy. I think since that time. Like as i reflected a lot more on it. I think i've been searching for that for. I've always searching for like musical community and more connection because that took me out of it. Right away and control totally. yeah. I heard katy perry talking about this. And she because she was trying to like make it and breakthrough for so long. She was at it and she was in that christian. Ram to like chris ground. I think beginning starting out which is totally different scene. But yeah and i think she was at it for like ten years and then she made the most unchristian song ever told him we blew up. Yeah but i think even she was like totally surprised. But i think that's the key though you never know when something's going to quote unquote work. Whatever that means. And i think. I think that's a good example. Because she put in the work like it didn't come out of nothing and whatever she thought was a failure like set her up for that moment. And and then you know you could flash forward today and you know it's like nobody can recreate their successes and you go through these valleys and peaks of what success looks like as an artist and i don't know it's just kind of so much as right place right time and this weird alchemy of the tunnel things. Yeah and then what what ended up happening to the deal. I was just so sad music. The joy of it was was absolutely squeezed out of it for me and just having experienced like different kinds of rejection amidst what looked like a big quote unquote. Success was a failure for me and like i was embarrassed. I didn't know what to do. And i ended up just kind of putting my head in the sand and stopped playing music for like a year and ran a coffee shop like i was like a partial investor. Just like totally doing like peter his now married to him and he's in the band plays drums he at the time. We were just best friends and he came down and he was like what the fuck are you doing. Why are you running a coffee shop. You should be playing music and like totally helped me out of and back into just plain again and being able to find joy in it so that was pretty sweet. You're like a mary thank you thank you. Yep good choice. Yeah totally in. What's it like collaborating with your husband. How does that change. The dynamic of your relationship are you always talking about music at home or are you able to sort of like compartmentalize those conversations it's tricky to compartmentalized the conversations. We definitely both have the brains. That don't know how to shut things. We're passionate about off. But i am so grateful. For for peter i mean just personally i was my partner in a musical setting. We couldn't be any different He is like i love. How just kind of eighty his with his ideas and he doesn't give a shit about looking foolish he'll throw like a thousand ideas out into the room and you know he himself will say like yeah like nine hundred and ninety nine of these are probably not good or not good. And but the one that makes it's like he's like this burst of energy these little spurts and he's the speaker in the band totally. Yeah i was gonna say sometimes you need that to get just the ideas flowing and the energy going. Someone just needs to say something. And then it'll turn into something totally. And i think that like he got that a lot from like Like improv kind of Impo improv yes. So he's yes person you there's no like hey i don't want to do this thing that you just started us on the path of. It's just like okay. I'm taking what you just said. And then i have to end it. Yes and so. He's constantly getting on me when i like am not being open to. Let's say he'll present something like an idea musical or creative. Whatever and if i kind of rejected or don't want to get into it he gets upset and i totally get that and that's where i need to be pushed in just being freer and not as precious about things so he is just wonderful like in in that arena and obviously fantastic drummer. And just he's crazy. He's just like so much energy. Yeah and live like he's it's like an it's really fun to see like him in and garrett who plays in the band he plays bass in the band like the way they play off of each other You know. Peter tends to kind of be like slightly on top of the beaten. Gary tends to be just slightly behind an. It's like it's perfect. I love it and you guys really jam out when you play lives is that orchestrated ahead of time or does that happen naturally like a really an authentic jam or is that sort of more preplanned. Typically i don't know it's just one of those magic moments like when we go into longer jams and really stretch it. Up is a song on the record called eiser read that has like a three minute guitar solo on it and it gets into this kind of Lcd soundsystem hypnotic groove for like three minutes and sometimes live will tease out for like ten minutes and it just depends on what the mood is and it's fine to i don't know feel the freedom in terms of like guitar playing of one you start finding that you're playing things what you're hearing in your head at that moment in the middle of a live show but you've not necessarily played is coming out on guitar and that's just years of playing but like yeah it's kind of thrilling and so it's one of my most favorite moments. When as a band you can get to those places. girl ensued so but Lead road so sir That's is a red deep sea diver. We've back soon after break. Before we get into the rest of his conversation with jessica dobson hughes some of the title track off deep-sea divers new album which features sharon van etten desist straight. Straight talk is create The stuff okay. Putin and When the song was first written it's the last song the album was done. And then i asked like my managers. One day i was like. Do you think this record needs another song. And they're like it wouldn't. It wouldn't hurt to try. Do you wanna try. Go right. And i was like yeah and so i went down to california with a name gender silvio. Peter came with me too. And i try to show up to the session without any preconceived melodic lyrical just any. Just try to keep my head soup or clear but then my personality really came out like just like po shed. I don't have a plan b. And so these without me trying. This lyric just came out in my head. I was like in the shower before we got there and it was like but that was then this is now and i just kept hearing that over and over and then when i got to the two gen studio we hopped into pretty pretty much right away and she was playing this thing on piano and i think out of nervousness. I started playing my guitar. And that's where the dina nint- dude it. And she looked at me and she pointed and she was like yep there it is because she was writing something totally different. And then i mean. That's the gifting of a songwriter. When you're in that world is just you know where to point the energy and she just totally owned in and she's like what is that and i was like. I don't know. I've never played this before ever also the gift of collaboration because if you were alone you might not have have been totally throwaway one hundred percent i just was so it was one of those just magic moments of like being in the room. Seeing this song come out in like two hours. Not a thing was changed after the fact and then how sharon van it and get on it. I love shen me she. She's one of my kids. She really is. And so okay so. Her brothers were fans of deep sea diver for like the last three or four years. I think and i remember like a long time ago being tagged by one of her brothers Thing on facebook share and this is the band. I was telling you about and i was like that sharon benneton like holy shit. Okay and then you know. I didn't think about that for a while. And then she had this record coming out which was remind me tomorrow and i heard the i i think it was the first single jupiter four and i was just like holy shit. I love this song. And i don't know what compelled. I just wrote her on instagram. And i just told her how much i respected. I so kind of like in the same vein of like feist patti smith cat power nico case. There's so many women that i love and respect that create their own timelines for how they wanna do things and their total similar thread between all of them there. They're they're like great substance. she's one of those women. Yeah and i said thank you because she stepped away for a second to to go to school she had a kid is like all these things that are like in terms of industry standards. And how you do things and release record every two years in comeback gay right. Start writing and do it again. Like that's huge finger in the face. And i want to be the example too of just like no. You don't have to follow those rules. And so i saw that at her. And i just said thank you. So then. A couple months later she was coming through to the neptune in seattle. And i i went to that show. And then i i think i like tagger on instagram and in a story and i was just like there's nowhere else i'd rather be besides here the night before we finish our record and then the next day we went to the studio to record impossible weight and as recording it. I i was. I asked myself. I think it was internal at first. I was like it would be so cool. If sharon saying on this and then in the bathroom and peter sharing messaged you was like what and so i i just went out there and she said the most just the most kind words and eventually i asked i was like hey like i have the song. Do you want to hear it if you wanna sing on it. Let me know like your like. I'm totally totally up for whatever just like and if it doesn't speak to you forget i asked i find. It was like midnight like one night months like a few months later. And i am a little message. Came through and it was like. I can do this and i'm superstar ogden. I i was just so excited that it worked out all right. Let's talk about switchblade but yeah it's written in third person. Who who are you talking about. I think it's kind of like a mixture of a lot of stories that that i heard firsthand at the commons with the women are spending time with so this organization that i started volunteering at called aurora commons. And it's a safe place for our house neighbors. Those that are drug-dependent Involved in sex work on the street. And it's a place where you can come you don't have to be free of drugs And there's you're treated with dignity and respect and i was so drawn to this place 'cause i hadn't found anything like it and i live off of aurora which is like a highway Kinda that runs parallel to the five freeway in seattle and a lot of the women. You know work on the streets. By where i live and you walk by. I walk by them every day and we were constantly passing people every day and we have no idea what their stories are now. We make assumptions and and put labels on people. And it's just such a disservice to to ourselves and others but we do have that kind of comment like the. It's harder than you think. Line like it's hard to receive. It's hard to receive other people's help. I need other people's help blake. We're on the same boat. We all carry like like these. Little traumas around with us or large traumas. And that can feel so suffocating. And i wanted to write a song i hear you and you are important and you belong here at the beginning of the record. It seems like you're in a really low place. Yes and then you must be able to build up your confidence if this is the first time. You're pretty singing album. You have to write all these songs. I imagine totally you write a lot of the instrumental parts as well. Yeah so. that's a huge accomplishment. Thank you and i'm just wondering coming out. The other side of that has has. That actually helped how you're feeling it did. And like it's just that you know the paradox of like you think if you dismantle things and kind of like strip everything away that it's going to be this naked crazy place where You might not push through. And then you're left looking kind of foolish. But i think that by kind of dismantling meaning like getting lower getting into the dirt like allowing myself to be more compassionate to myself and others and vulnerable like in that process like it felt really joyous instead of scary as it was happening and i think right now. I'm just like reveling in the the of what we created. And just being thankful for that. Well thank you for being so gracious with your time and thank you for. I sitting down and talking so much fun. Gosh the feeling is mutual. And i really appreciate you asking me to be on the show. Thanks jessica dobson for opening up about a creative process would we. You can hear deep sea divers new album impossible. Wait along with some of our other favorite deep sea diver tracks on a playlist at broken record. Podcasts dot com and be sure to subscribe to our youtube channel at youtube dot com slash. Broken record podcast there. You can find extended cuts of new end. Old episodes broken record is produced. 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Changing The Game? The NCAA Opens The Door For Athletes To Profit

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Changing The Game? The NCAA Opens The Door For Athletes To Profit

"This is one A.. I'm Joshua Johnson in in Washington. What's a college education worth that's debatable? These days with our changing world making some degrees less valuable or more valuable than expected but the value of college sports we know that precisely like down to the penny on the balance sheets of sports networks arenas colleges Sneaker companies and the salaries of America's most renowned coaches for the players though that equation is harder to solve. Yes there's the cost of their education education paid for in exchange for their athleticism but now support is growing for compensating. These student athletes directly letting them benefit financially early from their hard work. Supporters say paying these athletes is only fair critics say this threatens the amateur nature of collegiate sports the NCWA. Hey is moving forward with studying options. Nothing is expected to change in the immediate future. This show originally aired this year after the NCWA announced that it might start developing some form of compensation for college athletes. But how might such a system of compensation work should college athletes be paid at all joining us from NPR in New York. Is Tyler Times a staff writer for the Ringer Tyler. Welcome back to one A.. Thank you for having me and joining us us from Oakland. California is Andy Schwartz economist at K.. Are A consulting firm that specializes in the sports industry. He's also the CO founder of the historical basketball. The League the First Professional College Basketball League. Andy Glad to have you back on the program. Thanks very much for having me reach out to the NCAA to invite them on the program. We did not hear back but the invitation stands tyler. Let me start with you. Bring us up to speed on what the NCAA announced on Tuesday in a nutshell so more or less the NC double A.. Sort of had this working group where what they were supposed to do was announce a proposal upon which we're going to learn more about compensation for athletes right. What ended up happening was more of a little bit of a aflame by the NC double A.? And they're working basically said that they agree with what's going on. What was reported incorrectly was that athletes are going to get paid which isn't true and at their leaning more awards awards and ally which is a name image likeness for college athletes? Explain what we mean by that name image and likeness. What is that and why does that matter? The basic premise is a AH underneath image and likeness or under at least the laws proposed by lobbied Fulbari Mogi Huma a pass in California under the fare paid play act by skinner and others and proposed by even in this state of New York Kevin Parker in the Senate and others in Pennsylvania that athletes will be able to be compensated based on their name image likeness by either boosters or by anyone who who wants to sort of you know up commercial advertisement or at least compensate based on things that they can control trophy show up in a video game that EA puts out for the playstation. They would get a piece of money. Say every time a copy of that game assault at the absolute best but even that has complications. Now you mentioned the fair pay to play act. It was signed into into law by California's Governor Gavin Newsom last month. It says that college athletes cannot po. Colleges cannot punish their athletes for profiting off endorsements and governor newsome awesome says. He hopes that other states will follow. Suit you said that put some pressure on the NCAA to kind of make a louder decision to be more affirmative in a position about this. I think it depends on on on subjectivity. Right because I think if you're an optimist you kind of look at this to say you know. There was a national groundswell of political reckoning running from California to Pennsylvania across several states and the NCAA now has to act. I think you know the history of the entity I think. If you've studied kind of how the responses this this is sort of another peg in a very long ranging fight in war against the uncivilized for economic equity when it comes to the College athlete right and so the the issue with with the bill and California's added passed with almost no nave votes. Right thirty nine zero and one house. I think it was seventy something zero in the other house right and so these bills are noncontroversial controversial. Because the reality of these bills that they don't actually force the status quo to change in any way. And so that's the issue here at the W. has adopted merely adopted this rule made it its Own and can now drag its feet in the same way because California's out enacting any policy until twenty three Luke Bonner. Let's back up a little bit. Give us a sense of what the actual the mission of the NCAA is and how this debate fits into that core mission. Well that's one of the biggest issues. I think a lot of times. We jump straight into this like pay for play argument when in reality. I think it's even more simple than that is that there's really no voice. True voice representing presenting the best interest of the player in this entire system. You have the NCAA WHO's really there. It's made up of athletic directors and university presidents in their their best interest is for what's best for the school so it's like They have free rein to do whatever they want. So even the you know the NCAA rules that that that impact the player's lives in their families lives in the most that the players get subjected to have like no say in what these rules are any Schwartz. Can you clear up some of the economics onomic behind college sports for us when college makes money from one of its athletic teams. Where does that money come from? And where does it go sure. So where does the money come from. A big chunk of the money comes from from broadcast. rights brought sports which is one of the most valuable assets that a broadcast network or other form of media distribution like an online platform can have have and it's one of the few things that's proved resistant to Time shifting using your DVR watching it later because the live action is so important important so sports rates have have grown relative to the value of other programming over the last decade and a half or so There are other things. There's there's sponsorships ships. There's there's Endorsements there's there are for colleges. Donations probably comprise about twenty five percent of the revenue of of a college athletic thematic department. But where does it go. The Athletic Department spends it on itself for the most part in a few cases where there has been a state law. Something thing like in Florida or Louisiana. The money has to go in the small single digit so five million six million dollars to the university itself in most cases it all just gets spent again people confuses people think that that means that the athletic department doesn't make any money. It's really not true. The Athletic Department makes money but then it spends money. It's no different than me saying that after I buy a yacht being an economist doesn't doesn't really pay very well. How much money are we talking about? We got some questions and comments from listeners. About just what's really at stake here and how big this is. Kevin wrote on our facebook page. Yes this will only benefit star players in big programs so what big programs grams star players of the only ones making money for the university. There really isn't much money for anyone in divisions three water polo Andy. How much money are we talking about? Well I mean I think it's probably right that there's not a tremendous amount of money in in deep water polo but there might be a d. three water polo player who who would like to teach courses in his hometown over the summer and right now the NCAA rules say he can't tell people why they should take a course from him A swim class from him because of his athletic fame. So like literally the way the reason that you would distinguish him from some run of the mill water polo instructor the NCAA is taken taken away from him and he's not even getting scholarship because division. Three athletes don't get scholarships so that's important thing to remember but I think it's it's important to recognize the other thing is is that we're talking about athletes rights and a lot of this thing gets framed as what privileges will the NCAA allow. But the the question of of whether I'm worth a little oral lot doesn't mean that you can control whether I get access to the market at all for a a a big time division player. I suspect we're talking six or even seven figures and so I'm with an organization called the Historical Basketball League and we fully fully expect our star athletes to be making in the hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars at the low end. It could be. It could be the difference between earning minimum wage. Earning thirty thirty dollars an hour in for somebody who's paying their way through school. That's a big deal well the NCAA has periodically weighed in on the idea of compensating athletes. Here's the organization's President Mark Memory. Speaking in two thousand fourteen. If you're going to hire someone to play football for you why would you want them to be a student. That doesn't make any sense to me if there if if their mission if they're hired to be an employee of university to play football for entertainment than having to be a student as a distraction that really would sort of get in the way of there being perhaps successful as a football player. Why why say you got to go to school? Why say we gotta get you back to class? Why say we're going to constrain the number of of a At length of a season. Why if you're GonNa make it Professionals Sport and make it professional sport? But there's virtually no one in intercollegiate athletics. Who thinks that's where it ought to go? So so the notion is are these students if their students Then what are their expectations of them as students. And what are their expectations in terms of the level level of support that they can get from a university to be a student that's the NCW president mark emerets speaking in two thousand fourteen. I'm Joshua Johnson you're listening to one A. From W. a. m. u. and NPR this message comes from NPR sponsor. Better help a truly the affordable online counselling service fill out a questionnaire online and get matched with a licensed counselor best suited to your mental health. Needs whether it's depression unquiet or trauma better help will help you overcome. What stands in the way of your happiness learn more better help DOT COM and get ten percent off your first month month with Promo Code One a better help get help anytime anywhere? NPR's life kit wants to help you make changes that actually stick this New Year. You're from how to do dry January to how to start a creative habit we've got new episodes all months to help you start the year off right new episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. Listen and subscribe to life Kit. This is one A.. I'm Joshua Johnson we're discussing the NC double A.'s. Recent announcement that it will consider compensating college athletes for the use of their names images and likenesses. Luke Bonner I wanted to ask you about your experiences as well you grew up as I understand in a family of college. Athletes Played College Basketball for UMASS and West Virginia University. What was life like for you and your siblings as has college athletes? I mean how do people feel about you. Know compensating athletes when you were playing ball. Well this whole conversation has come incredibly early far since even when I was in college which was a little over ten years ago now in the you're a college basketball player like if you ask me like what I did I wouldn't say a business major at Umass. I'd say I'm a basketball player. UMASS really dominates your life so really your entire. Our life is is the is the sport even from from a value proposition. What you receive for the services you provide to the university which is as being an athlete but it's also participating in a variety of marketing initiatives and community events? And all this stuff. You're really not receiving the true you kind of academic value that a normal student gets like you're you're not doing study abroad. Semesters you're not able to work an internship. You have to schedule your classes around your training that already exist your primary purpose already. Is Your Sport Tyler before we dive even with calls One again to a little bit of the challenge with details these plans yesterday. Republican Senator Mitt Romney of Utah weighed in on this announcement. He said he supported the idea. The but he was a little concerned about the details. Here's what Senator Romney told. ESPN's Jeremy Shop on outside the lines. Look what you can't have is a couple athletes. It's on campus driving around in Ferraris. Everybody else's you know basically having a hard time making ends meet and you can't setting where some schools that are in major markets or ah big sport followings. Some schools are like the honeypot and everybody. All the great athletes want to go to those handful of schools. Then you then you kill collegiate sports so there needs to be some adjustment Aspen. The whole name image and likeness approach to make sure that we don't create those problems that was Republican senator. Mitt Romney of Utah speaking on. ESPN's outside the lines tyler. What about concerns about the details of how this might roll out okay so we should probably cut to Really the meat of where we are at least with this issue right. Is that reality of this issues used and has been pulled. Incidentally there's too much quantitative data that would suggest it has been pulled infinitely is that the NC Double A.. Kind of sits as a shadow group that operates off a basis of racism and so if our senators and even if our fans believe to a certain extent that we're talking about is black players were talking about our black athletes right at the majority of these are the ones who make the most money and football the power sports and in the power five they are the moneymakers of one of the last American plantations. That we actually still have him that we feed into and so I think some sports fans would have a problem. Describing athletic athletic department says plantations and that would be their issue. But the reality of this away the tyler. Is that a fair comparison to say well mainly fair overwhelmingly mainly fair and it and it has been fair since we've kind of described it this way right the NC double a. was built in the end of the nineteen nineteen right like bound around nineteen eight nineteen from ten. It was built for player safety because too many people were dying on football fields in the northeast and since then it has existed for fifty years really was no staff and no moral leadership and so they invented the sanity sanity codes around the nineteen fifties. Because we're actually making money in the same way that they're proposing to do so now and schools released book out about it and so if you're pulling these people twenty fourteen poll all in the Washington Post basically said that if you're asking the average American who they think of as athletes you think of black athletes as these college athletes and so if these people are in ventured labor if they're not being paid if they're throwing their bodies on the line if every year we have athletes especially in football who are mostly black dying on football fields in practice. This is without a question. One of the last plantations that we currently exist in the way that Labor is being treated. That's not an argument You can ask almost any academic. It's not an argument and so the problem becomes this if our senators don't want these people to get paid if we're swinging pendulum of how we're thinking about racism in our country and it trickles down to our athletics. Then that is the issue. The issue isn't isn't just the experience the issue isn't just how do we do it. The issue is economic equity if the majority of these athletes the top level especially black women. When it comes to women's sports are propelling these the school forward through athletics? We have to pay them. Because it's not an argument schematics or macintoshes or how we get. It done is argument morality and how we have treated the black body in America for ever David from Nashville shared some thoughts with that. Here's what our listeners. David Leftists using our APP won a vox pop whereas the wrong question about college athletics. These student athletes are already being paid. Great deal if anybody bothered to look at the price of a college college education these days. Perhaps a better question would be. Should these athletic departments who are making millions of these athletes. Be fumbling that money back into the General Fund so the other students. We'll be paying less tuition David. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Luke guy I wonder what your reaction Sionist that this kind of arbitrary right. It's not it's not real money. It's it's a ticket. The schools pay themselves. Basically what the cost of tuition is. That's like saying like if you work at like an office that's worth two million dollars like because you have a cool office like that is part of your compensation package doesn't it doesn't add up. We're going to continue this conversation. It's a more of your calls in just one minute clips support for this podcast and the following message come from K. 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I look I just wanted to close the loop on what David David was saying in terms of the costs of college with regards to kind of college paying itself that some of the costs arbitrary if I heard you right. Some of those costs rather fixed in their clear. You've got faculty salaries textbooks that students have to buy. You know those of us who went to college not an athletic scholarship and went to high power athletic lettuce schools. I went to the University of Miami. Know exactly what it what it costs and I think you know the Joshua Johnson of what is it. How many years ago that I graduated has waited two thousand and two of some years ago would really appreciate it if the University of Miami didn't cost quite so much because I went out with Sallie Mae once and she only stopped calling? Let me last night. I mean it's a fair point that gets to the larger issue right of like to college system as a whole but I guess what I'm saying is that the saying that that value is you know is equivalent to like basically That value payment is just not true. Because you're you're not getting the full value of that scholarship in terms of your academic experience as widely referenced that you so many athletes are forced to change majors right to to be able to fit their their training schedules and their game schedules. You know you're missing ton of class traveling throughout the year For Games in training and all that stuff so to to say that like that ticket price. Is You know enough first of all none of us like I don't think any kind of outsider has the right to say that but it's also kind of it is somewhat arbitrary. In my opinion. Kristen wrote on our facebook page as a longtime the time professor at a private college. I've been fed up for years with being asked to accommodate college. Athletes in my classes. Attendance is crucial for scaffolding. The knowledge they need to the process their own ideas and if they are not there they miss out it is not my job to accommodate them perhaps if it were their job instead and they worked in the summer as as I just heard mentioned things would be different. Let's continue on the phones in Georgia. Were Dion is on the line. Hey Dion what's on your mind. Thanks for having me I wrestled in college so I know my sport did it make mad money. Let football or basketball or heck even our Tennessee him. I think made more than we did but simple matter the fact is is I never. I remember sitting with my car. Broken down for three weeks trying trying to decide. Should I spend a hundred dollars. My Mom could afford. To give me have scholarships I still had to take loans out and she was paying back. Do I spend a hundred dollars. You can send me. He wants a month to go get groceries or to fix my car and I remember just sitting there having to make this decision and having to fix my car I I can go to the next wrestling tournament. Because we weren't we didn't have the funds and it would help if I I'm not even saying like a bull I hey let's let's make sure you get paid boo combined money. It's wrestling. We don't get paid. We don't we. Don't advertise heavy as football or basketball but hey a stipend would be nice for for these collegiate athletes because again how the previous caller I said you know. We get this scholarships and they're like okay. Hey we're a little bit of money back here or there you know I could survive for a few months or you know whatever and you get nothing and the minute you get a little bit of something thing from some other source you get benched you get hit with a fine. You know you get you get yelled at because you're trying to live and make sure you're you're in top shape for now dion. Try and give that back. You'd hate to cut you short we're having some glitches with the phone line. So I gotta rap with you in a second. It's not on your end. I think it's on ours but I I did want to just follow up on what you said. I think to some people. The college education is not only valuable for its own sake because it allows you to earn more in the future culture but you kind of go into college experience knowing economically what it looks like. You know how much it's GONNA cost. You have a sense of what you can pay. You have a chance to budget for that that you know the idea of a starving college student isn't fun when you are one but you do have a sense of what the economics are going in so your decision to wrestle. It was was great. I'm sure for you but economically. I think there's an argument to be made that it's on the student to think through that financial burden before they get involved in a sport that doesn't really compensate but yeah that that's true but still we're looking at. I know football players who I've known and been like. Hey Dude I've got Rahman at my house because they couldn't afford to get from it like it's it's it's more than that. There are sports that make billions billions of dollars from the NCWA for jerseys through ticket sales. Because they do get a portion of ticket sales they they get it through all all these these weird loopholes of getting money but because the the the guy that wears the number eight Jersey. He can't make any money off of that. Therefore he's got a star like that's the thing is is it doesn't make sense to me in that sense like why can't we put some form of a stipend out that we these athletes can. Dan Survived Like we if he makes enough money. Why can't they push that money out and and make sure athletes are properly taken care of? That's what they're supposedly leap posted it. Right Deanna really appreciate you sharing your story man. Thanks very much luke with regards to dion story. I don't think I asked you this before. But what is your best case scenario in terms terms of college athletics. What do you think? Ideally not only should be done but also who should be the one driving this change. Should it be Congress. Should it be some some third party. Should it be the networks. Should be collective bargaining like paint me your ideal solution scenario so to me. There are two potential official solutions. Right as much as I want to put my fist and celebrate some of the the legislation that's being passed at the state level. It also makes me you like a little bit nervous because essentially what we have right now is we have elected officials effectively serving as the collective bargaining unit for for college athletes. which like no offense to you know our our politicians and whatnot? But they're not necessarily the most in touch with the needs of the athlete as evidenced by Mitt Romney's statements yesterday after being celebrated for his initial willingness to speak out on on this issue so to me. There's there's two ways about this one. The first was collectively bargaining. So we attempted the unionisation route with the North Western football team. Back in twenty fourteen. That kind of you know it worked out additionally then it got punched down the road and it's just not looking very promising now So if without in the absence of like a collective bargaining unit for the players players. I think there might be an opportunity for like a third party competitor to come in and disrupt the space such as the historical basketball. The which indy you know has referenced at the same time it's like if there's going to be a collective bargaining unit. The term student athlete is free. It's a made up term right it was invented did prevent NCA from having to pay workers comp for football player that died back in the day. So you know where. The unionization effort runs into trouble when you get into legal definitions of employee manager relationships. I also feel like. Can't we make up a term for union right that so there is some entity that truly represents presents the best interest of the athlete in the other way. NCA thrives is as our caller. Just referenced. I was really impressed to hear from him as a wrestler vouching for the football ballplayer but one of the ways that it thrives as that it kind of groups all of the sports in all of the divisions together to make it seem impossible to tackle tackle this issue right. Because it's like you have this internal conflict between the fencer and the star football player if you're trying to treat them all as the exact same thing reality is they're not David wrote on our facebook page as an alum of a Varsity team of a division. Three school recognize that college sports have value value for the students however it is time to recognize Division One football and basketball teams for what they are money making minor league teams that are the farm system for the NFL fell and the NBA tax teams as businesses owned by the colleges eliminate eligibility and recruiting restrictions restrictions. And pay the players. If if players happen to be accepted by the school students go ahead and give them scholarships but enrollment should not be a requirement. Interesting solution from David. We also got an idea from Charles who e mailed. One Solution is seated. This issue is taking the money out of college sports. Why Not Propose that public nonprofit institution like our nation's colleges colleges be only allowed to out broadcasting rights to nonprofit public broadcasters tyler? That's an interesting idea as a public broadcaster. I think it's bad because there is too much that goes into producing sports A and B. I don't WanNa hear members of your local. NPR member station complaining that we've got too much coverage of the PAC twelve championship and we're not covering the vote on the house on the impeachment inquiry. I think like in some ways commercial system for what college sports have turned into. For better or worse it might make the most sense. Just the way it's structured right now I think. AH WE KINDA have to unpack a few of these things right like. There's a fundamental misunderstanding. For what these athletes do and how they should be compensated right. Josh pushback on one thing that you said that earlier I played division. Three College sports right and I was considering Playing Division One college sports in so athletes at the time when they're seventeen years old to have them consider the economic values or the economic range of which they have to kind of put themselves into is extremely unfair and so the reality of this is that we should just find a way to pay the kids. It doesn't have have to be complicated is it has to be this. This crazy made up system. It doesn't have to be through nonprofits. The money is widely available is widely available at almost every division one college especially. Actually they have a power if they're in a power five system the money is there. The instability makes a billion dollars off of just march madness. Alone they're not making revenue to many other places and so it's individually a lot of college that have the cash and then there's the NC double A.. Or the over arching group. That has the cash. It doesn't have to be an Olympic system it doesn't have to be an I l.. It doesn't have to be anything that we're making up through progressive policy to find a way to pay these kids in piecemeal ways. We just have to pay the kids and we have the money and so the reality of this is that it's not difficult. Colt in the state Senate of New York Kevin Parker senator. There is rolling a fifteen percent revenue split between the athletic departments in between the athletes. That's not enough right if you can have a caller from Georgia who was a wrestler. Talk about what he has to go through just to eat. That's a problem right. And it's at the Division One level to the division three level overwhelmingly how we are treating these athletes elites and we're talking about the people who are making the most money are black athletes and if we're talking about the women who have to struggle to title nine just to have equity to get on the field we have a full classification of the entire system being faulty. I was just going to ask you about title nine Tyler for just one second. I mean one comment that I'll come right back to you on tile nine Peter emailed. I've worked for Vanderbilt Built University for many years. We supported women's basketball. I can assure you that. Most women athletes valued their athletic scholarships highly many could have never afforded an education at an institution institution like vanderbilt many went on to medical schools and other professional schools that afforded them careers. They might not have had otherwise so tyler. With regard to women's sports the gender pay gap and sports has always been a hot button. Issue has become a hot button issue this year. Fortunately thank goodness. How does that aspect of this factor into the conversation? Shen about compensation it should be one of the leading parts of this conversation and the reality is that it's not because again if you're looking at the way that we've been pulling are Americans of who they believe. Athletes are they think mostly that are athletes the division one level or black men. And so that is that it's not now by large parts of by large percentage. Yes the Division One level. A lot of the people were playing in our money. Sports are black people But you can't have on the inverse. A CONVERSATION ABOUT GENDER PAY GAP Not only at the coaching level. When you get to women's basketball especially you can't have somebody somebody who might be one of the best? Women's coaches the Land Dawn Staley at South Carolina who WanNa national championship in two thousand seventeen. Not Make anywhere near as much money as Gino Auriemma. Who's in her same sport? And so if we are going to pay these athletes which we should pay these athletes there should be a very very very large focus on how we are also going to pay the women who are in our sports in the women who are propelling our sports and especially when it comes to basketball the black women who are making our sports so popular and so fun to watch one quick comment with regard to race and college athletics. Fedex Leah tweeted. I would like to see the players of color play for. HTC US historically black colleges and universities and other colleges and universities that represent their own cultures cultures and or hometowns so that the revenues generated will benefit a wider and deeper group of people. I think we have time to squeeze in one more call. Patrick in New Jersey is on the line Patrick. What's on the line? What's on your mind? first off. I like to say that Jerks Co host. Terri Tyler siler is got it all wrong as they didn't playing the race card Athlete always athlete for a suck team. Coastal Carolina and. That's a D.. One school and I think everybody's missing the point of being a group. I loved being part of a chain whether they were black White Hispanic etc And I still keep in touch with all these people to this day so we missed the net point and regards to the payment. My payment was a full scholarship so I look at it this way I got through school. got a degree. Didn't have to have a loan of say three hundred thousand dollars afterwards and now Accessible and moving forward so that in itself is a payment so That's about it. Patrick I appreciate Chicago on and although Tyler I think the point you were making was not just about racial inequity within the team but that because there is a racial legacy of the way the black players have been treated that compensating. The player not compensating the players seems crazy considering what players of color have been through historically I do want to give Lucan opportune opportunity community to Chime in as we're winding down. You were a college basketball player you also played professionally overseas. I believe in Hungary and Lithuania looking getting back on your time as a college basketball player do you think it was worth it Yeah I think it was worth it. And that's a common misconception is like just because I'm because I'm challenging the system to make it better for the players doesn't mean that I don't love it when you love something you wanted to be the best form it can possibly be in. So Oh that's part of why I feel like I've been fortunate to be in a position where I'm kind of a loud mouth willing to to speak up on these issues and I'm okay with with with the backlash so to speak so I think yes it was. It was definitely worth it. That said like I do think I wasted a lot of time on basketball basketball particularly in college You know when I when I stopped playing professional basketball I was about twenty seven years old I had decent jobs in Europe. I'm not life changing money or anything but I had no professional experience and had to enter into the workforce without any idea. What jobs are out there? Basically I was As A TWENTY-SEVEN-YEAR-OLD INTERNET EH advertising agency coming out of it and I had a master's degree in my back pocket as well so You know as definitely delayed kind of my start to you Real life I guess right right but back to what that color said to I mean In terms of the racial inequities to look at the makeup of the players versus the makeup of the The coaches and yeah. Yeah it's pretty telling and Yeah Luke. Bonner Co founder of the College Athletes Players Association. Luke thanks for talking to US Tyler. Times a staff writer for the Ring Tyler. Thank you thank you Andy Schwartz economist at Os and co-founder of the historical basketball league. Thank you andy. This conversation conversation was produced by Catherine and edited by Miranda full more to learn more about our team. visit the one A.. Dot Org. This program comes to you from W. Amu part of American University in Washington distributed by NPR. Until we meet again. I'm Joshua Johnson. Thanks for listening. This is one A.

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