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Podcast: COVID killed anti-GMO activism? Environmentalists split over glyphosate; Predatory journal Pokmon hoax
"Wash it somewhere sean. Hey everybody welcome to the science facts and fallacies podcast brought to you by the genetic literacy project. i'm your host cameron english and i'm your co host. Kevin fulda professor who cares about science communication. This is the weekly show where we discussed the biggest stories from the genetic literacy project to keep you informed about groundbreaking developments from the worlds of science and medicine and of course help you separate facts from fallacies as you read the headlines everybody welcome back to the show cameron and kevin. Here is always kevin. What's going on happy post thanksgiving. Yeah we're on the other side of that holiday and then now in the home stretch of twenty twenty and it's been really great to get good feedback about this podcast. It's been really never lucien and glad that we're doing this every week. So thanks for doing this. Hey man it is my pleasure and yeah it does feel good to see people listening to it and responding to it even sometimes disagreeing with us always exciting on the less. Yeah but it's another thing to give. Thanks for right just in the spirit of the holiday. That people are turning to avenues of scientific information. Like this to learn more about what's happening and i think that's really cool and with that. Let's jump in to some more science stories and keep people getting into science. So i up Biotechnology gave us a cova vaccine. Could that end the gm movement next glyphosate deadly poison or diversity. Protection tool environmentalists are split over the question surprisingly and finally and this may be the greatest headline ever written scourge of pay for play predatory journals american journal of biomedical science and research publishes on satire on kovic with bruce wayne quote from gotham forensics quarterly. So we're going to get into what all that means and what it means for the pure view process these days all these predatory journals so i step kevin. Is this vaccine going to blow up the anti gmo movement. Well according to the author. Alex barroso He's with american council on science. And help ya This is really putting a lot of people into a very precarious position because we've seen all of these organizations rally against genetic engineering and its use in agriculture and there's been so much aggressive attack on on the technology and the people who tell the truth about science well. It turns out that a lot of the organizations involved. Like one of my favorites. Us tk they're they're funded by organic consumers association and other groups that are really against modern technology and modern technology is not just the thing in crops it is now a thing that will likely and a global pandemic and so the genetic engineering used to create the new vaccines the actually all most of the new vaccines of this are on their Target a little bit. I mean these are on their radar and what i thought was really funny about all of this is that you've seen a shift in in the activists in the way in which they're going after the science and the scientists But with some new twists but it really does look like if people start to accept the vaccine and say inject me with this technology. It really does say a basic change in our attitude towards that technology. Okay so is the theory that people are just going to be so Enhanced if you will their lives are going to be so much better because of this technology that they're just not gonna care that like these groups like us rights and are just kind of fade off into oblivion. Well you see them retooling okay. They used to be the. They used to be the a nonprofit organization pursuing truth and transparency in america's food system and now they're pursuing truth and transparency in public health so their website is wiggling in order to keep the dollars coming in and making them look relevant They spent such a long time. Not being able to make much impact in genetic engineering You know. I mean it hasn't really slowed things much Maybe some influence in the court cases of glyphosate because they're one of their employees poses a independent journalist who you know that's a whole nother story Who who is involved in a lot of the cases heavily but the the basic ideas that these organizations try to shape public perception around agriculture and now are trying to do it around covid and they're they're promoting conspiracy theories they're promoting you know wild conspiracy theories and one of the things that are up to right now is how do you do the same thing. They did with agricultural sciences to kobe. Nineteen scientists and They're actually using foia and public records request to go after some of the lead scientists in the world who studies not a transfer viruses. You know it's it's interesting to watch that unfold. Because you and i know that pattern really well is they launch one of these investigations in quotes and then they just pull out whatever. Relevant information helps them build their case. Are they really going to try the same thing they tried with people like you and get some kind of expose in in the times to to say look at how bad this fao guy is. I don't know who they're who they're going after the haven't looked but is that really what they're trying to do. Well i dug in on this a little bit so the person they're going after and you're right. The pattern is exactly the same of the targeted. Dr peter data zack. And dr peter does that is from echo health alliance. He is a very well recognized conservation. Biologists he leads key committees the national academies of science and medicine. He's had very highly cited papers. Three hundred different scientific papers. He's worked with The this is what's really interesting about this. He signed a thing in a paper record. Kind of a position paper with twenty seven other scientists back in february saying that all these conspiracy theories about kobe. Nineteen are crazy that the origin is not conspiratorial. It's not anything crazy. Looks like it came from a bat to person transmission. Us right to now. And they're conspiracy interests in their funders. They obtained records and emails from university of maryland. Communicating with dad's zak with one of the faculty at maryland and And they found out that dad sec. You're not gonna believe this. He got money from nih to study. Viruses that bastard. You can't believe a word. He says because his research was funded by the nih. And what's and this is. What's so funny about this. He they that they found out that he received an h. Grants which are all public records anyway. And he worked. With a var allergist in juan at the wuhan institute of allergy for fourteen years. This is dr. She's shengli and dr shizhong. Lee received the grants with dead zach to Get blood samples. Check feces check bat. Species they're not walking around san francisco looking on the sidewalk. Now they tell you know the the bats are much more discreet except for the cable is ones but anyway the bats were they. They're looking at blood. They're looking at feces to identify what the pandemic will be and they've been doing this for a very long time. And the funny part is is that President trump put the brakes on that funding. This year he said no more money going to this project. No more money going on and so it really puts us our. Tk in the same sleeping bag with the trump administration In in limiting the veracity of scientific claims it's really really rather interesting. So i'm willing to bet i'm going to go look into this more. 'cause you've picked my interest but i'm willing to bet that they're going to take some preliminary statements from other scientists in an email or something to make it look scandalous. Were they say. We can't rule out the possibility that this was developed in the lab. Because we just can't. That's not how science works. We have to investigate. Everything have to be open to new information. They're gonna take statements like that and then take them out of context and make it look like see you look at what they're saying behind closed doors. They know this could have been made in the lab at. They're hiding it from you. I'm willing to bet that this is the overall dynamic that this project is going to take. I think you're right because there's little hints of that already. They have something like four hundred three pages of rather boring but they do have a few statements that they were able to pull out where Where dads said. I don't want this to become politicized. Which is what a scientist would say but you know the but to the conspirators. See person they see that as some sort of Lack of transparency and So that's really what's happening here. It's really funny because it is that same trend they say. Oh well dad's because Is conflicted that he can't trust a word he says and and four other authors on that letter Were from aeko health alliance and they're calling for A lack of They're calling for us to reject conspiracies But their act and what it does is they're just trying to take away from the reputations and the weight in the gravity of the words of real scientists just like they did before. Okay so then. Back to alex's thesis are they actually going away are they just mutating and they're taking on a new project and they're trying to expand their horizons a little bit. Because the reason i ask is because i know we're both big fans of the taliban and one of the points he makes in his book is that you don't need a widespread support. All you need is a handful relative handful of dedicated people that want to move the ball forward and if everybody else is just going about their lives and they're not particularly interested in what you are then you can get. Your agenda moved forward because you don't have any opposition. What what do you think of that outlook on us. When it's your fulltime job to just 'cause Fear uncertainty and doubt. It's not so hard to do especially when you're talking about new technology and so i totally see that being the case of what could be happening in in this with us. Rtuk just Flying under the radar and pushing goofy conspiracy theories to try to shape the perception of what's going to happen with the the next generation of therapies for this pandemic around. Well let's monitor it and we will keep an eye on what's going on. Because i'm really curious to see how this evolves all right kevin so is glyphosate of deadly poison. Is it helping us preserve biodiversity. Yeah this is a really necessary article by graham read fern and it was written in the guardian a place which has written a lot of rather crackpot stuff on glyphosate stuff from erin brockovich that made claims that were just completely off off the radar not true But what's really interesting about about. Redfern's read ferns paper or his article is that he talks about the use of weed control as a tool of conservation. And you have invasive weeds all these Species that are threatening different ecosystems all over the world but particularly in his home country of australia and There's a lot of concerns that by taking away glyphosate. Which is what a lot of groups seek to do that. You're now opening up. The econ- the very sensitive ecosystems of australia to noxious weed invasion and no easy way to control and it's a really important Side of this argument that we really don't hear very often you know what's so interesting to me is that it really underscores that were in in life generally but in these with these agricultural issues. These aren't black or white. You know there. There's there's a spectrum if you will whatever decision you make is going to involve trade offs and it's it's ironic really because you have ostensibly environmental groups coming out against this weed killer and if anybody should be concerned about biodiversity them right so i. I don't know what to think of that. My cynical side says that they know that they don't care but at the same time maybe they just haven't thought through it the way You know someone more thoughtful commit like an ecologist would what do you think. Well i agree. And i think it's something that's even you know. This is a little bit tangential but they were building a big. They wanted to build a large solar farm right near my house here and they had a lot of pushback from environmental groups because it was going to be disrupting a natural area and also taking farmland out of agriculture and One of the compromises was. We'll let you do it if you don't use glyphosate and so this is really working very counter to their goal of protecting the environment. Because they think they're protecting it by limiting life sate. But now they're just gonna use a different herbicides. That'll have much much more impact and it's it it just goes to show how deep the roots of the fear campaigns have gone in really shaping. The environmentalists view a. What is a tool that can be used to promote environmental interests. They quotes an environmentalist. Her name's jan bremmer and it's an interesting story and it was great. 'cause they summarized all the evidence for why glyphosate probably doesn't cause cancer and then they quote this woman and she says but there's all these court cases and bears paying all this money. How can you ignore that evidence. And so i just wanna say as it has been said a million times already is that court. Cases aren't evidence. You can sue people for anything so just because you bring a claim to court. It doesn't mean you have a good case. And i think that gets obscured a lot in this discussion because people say oh well. They're suing this big company. It must be for good reason because big companies are bad as a result. We have all this evidence. And you don't have any just these claims and we've talked on this show about the fact that the case is really bunk. Frankly well the big problem with the guardian article is that it also by including jane bremmer statements. A- gives a sense of a false balance. Because here's somebody one of the things that she said is that glyphosate is leaving a toxic load in our ground. Water in river systems. And that's not true. And she's know she's advocate for hand weeding in over using chemical controls in meeting. My guess is that she has pulled weeds very much. You know i think people who Who spend a few hours out there. Go you know what the low toxicity spray. Maybe such a bad idea. But she said then she says. This is another quote. Glyphosate and other chemicals are poorly regulated because of the power of the petrochemical industry which is not a petrochemical for one and two. It's massively regulated the amount of of evaluation that stuff goes through by multiple regulatory agencies. All over the world you know it's every few years they tested again and when you go through even the australian agencies that have have looked at this have said there is there is no evidence that suggests that this is causing cancer at the level that used and they are directly in line with the epa. The european chemical agency health canada all the other international organisations reject the idea that this is carcinogenic except for one agency in one arm that does hazard based assessments in the. Who the irc. that says. It's a probable carcinogen in the same category as you know. Nightshift work in hairdressing and pickled vegetables. So it's a very Concerning problem because they've managed to vilify with management of invasive noxious weeds. Guys are ever having trouble sleeping. I encourage you to go to the epa website. Just look at the process to get a pesticide registration. You won't get through all of the requirements. 'cause there's thousands and thousands of pages you have to read through But just to underscore the point that. It's not easy to get a pesticide approved in the united states or for that matter australia and new zealand or europe especially europe So that's that's that's a joke. I don't know how she could say that. It's poorly regulated and the fact that the these companies do have influence at these agencies. I don't think anybody would deny that. But they have to have constant communication with these regulators because they can stamp their their product. Yes or no. You know what i'm saying. So it would be weird in other words if bayer didn't have contacts at the epa because they have work together that's necessary so so and double check that promise you go. Check that out at the epa website. Because it's it's a ridiculous process but you're exactly right you you have to know the target. You're trying to hit and they're in regulation is not just a very standard series of tests. It's always a very specific Relationship that happens around the testing of a compound. The article also ends with a guy named peter dixon who is a member of the australian association of butch alone. I said that wrong. Yes the australian association of bush re generators. Which i think i need to be a member of that. Just be cool to have. The t shirt insert joke here But but but basically he. He throws caution to the wind. He i shouldn't say that either. He says understandably that there are dozens of chemicals around your house that can kill you. And he's right. You know your window cleaner your oven cleaner. You know gasoline whatever and you just got to use it the right way and he says that on different areas conservation areas around sydney that have experienced some ecological damage that they've used herbicides. For years to knockback something called balloon vine and trad and so balloon vine if you ever wonder we're balloons came from is invasive in australia and he says you just can't do it with mechanical methods and you have to keep the weeds at bay with the ugh life estate. Because if you do it enough and you keep knocking them back and you keep knocking back then. The plants that belong there can fill the gap and so it's it's a necessary tool for conservation and ecology. Okay so pok. Mon cova monster. Bruce wayne is apparently a now Predatory publishing so this article came from. The scientist was by Shalom and he uses a pen. Name to publish articles in predatory journals. Now just for what it's worth predatory journals are these journals that are it's he describes it basically very expensive blogs they are They sound like they're they're credible they have somebody contact you by email and say a deer esteemed dr full at my friends. Don't even call me esteemed and they'll say you know we. So much want to publish your your outstanding science work in the annals of gynecology and obstetrics and i get these all the time and and one of them even called a gynecological ecology get. Gosh that must be a wreck. This journal this journal sends. They asked me for solicitations and and Getting back to the story here. So that's predatory journals it really. They claim to be these. These very Internet like the the the Internationally international publishing houses. That are really just. Stay in apartment outside of dc or sixty four dollars a month storage unit. Norcross georgia seriously. They are or or an empty lot in suburban chicago. They have an address And they usually just one person who serves as an editor who agrees to publish your stuff if you pay him the money now see him or her. But i'm guessing this is mostly guys. But i don't see women being predatory publishers but there's my bias so the idea is that you basically pay somebody to to put your work in a fake journal. Well what What what this guy did. What shalom did was Published a paper in the american journal of biomedical science. Where he Where he said that a bat like pokemon creature spread over nineteen and the paper was called silage city covid. Nineteen outbreak leaked to zubac consumption. Now i don't know what pokemon stuff is really so it doesn't resonate with me but i get the idea. It's basically saying that that That cartoon characters are spreading the disease and it was accepted for publication and it was written by by. Bruce wayne was one of the authors. Was the lead author in there. You go and so they they. They actually were able to get that published and then it was cited which is really hilarious. There's actually a quote that he includes from his his pure reviewed article so he says some would argue that editors cannot recognize. Poke on names like you just said kevin lines in the tax such as quote a journal publishing this paper does not practice pure view and must therefore be predatory or disinvited article a predatory journal. That likely does not practice. Peer review end quote would have tipped off anyone who bothered to read the articles. So he's writing in the story that this is bullsh- yes yeah he basically torpedoes zone thing right. And then what's so funny is even though the scott published. It was cited by physicist in tunisia. Who cited the poco article is one of the one of these things And that was published in the international journal of engineering research and technology so he cited the article and the made up references. Which which again shows that. There's absolutely no oversight. You know these are predatory journals that publish anything you said. It's incredible okay. So let's talk about how significant a problem. This is at one point. He makes which is encouraging is that academic institutions are wising up to this problem and so when they're looking at Cv's for possible Employment for people that want to work. There they're recognizing okay. We need to look out for publications in these bunk journals and over time. Hopefully and speak to this. Because you're an academic overtime that's going to minimize this. This problem will stop sending their articles so these journals knowing that it's not going to improve their reputation and i'm sure that most academics don't know which journals are predatory or not. It takes a lot of work like as a as a journalist. If i see a news article. I have to go. Check the reference and make sure. It's a legit journal that it has a real impact factor. Otherwise you know. I risk harming our reputation. So i think academics probably have that same incentive. Yeah it's really tough especially for junior faculty where the pressure to publish his extremely high and you get a solicitation that says you know the the east african journal of horticulture and we turn around your article twenty four hour review seven hundred and fifty dollar publishing costs and one of my former students actually got trapped in that. And that's why i know that their Their publishing houses a storage shed in norcross georgia. Because i i tracked them down. And i went after the editor and turns out there actually in nigeria This is just a a a faux facade of and address here in georgia but my student wanted to withdraw the paper. And they wouldn't do it. They would not take it back and so when he wanted to send it to a legitimate journal. The legitimate journal wouldn't publish it because it was already published in a In a predatory journal And it was and to me. This was crossing a line. because it wasn't yet published in the predatory journal. It was only in the review process. And they said if you do not if you do not pay the publishing fee we will publish your paper. So they basically held his work for ransom that they would put it in a bad place that would destroy his reputation if it got there so these. These folks are real scumbags. His story was in the back of science magazine. If you look up dr ellen chambers. His story was actually written. Because as a as a cautionary tale for junior faculty to be extremely careful of where you choose to publish your work that's brutal. So appear review journal would publish an analysis of the situation but a peer reviewed journal would not publish his actual work. Eventually they did and you know all is well but it took some Persistence and you know. I had to get involved. Because i don't want him You know having trouble reputational. I can handle that What is this on my list right so you know everything else has been said so but the but the basic idea is just that these are really slimy operations that really misinformed the public. And that's the big problem you know you're smart enough to be able to check your sources but is somebody who is just thinking. They're perusing scholarly literature about kobe. Nineteen and finding information you know. The on one is obvious. But there's lots of other stuff out there that is raising the cackles of the public. That would never make it in a real journal. It really is tough. And they're good at disguising what they really are an end because some of these journals not all of them but some of them are indexed in academic resources so even in pubmed which is the federal government's database of peer reviewed journals and peer reviewed articles. You can find some of the scam literature in legitimate sources like that and they've even invented Like junk indexes because i mentioned impact factor earlier. There's ways that you can rate the quality of peer reviewed journal and so now they're even inventing their own scales and so it's getting really really difficult to to find it. So if you're just the average person in new google in origin of sars cov two you might get lost in finding one of these articles so it is a legitimate problem for sure well and some of the journals to make things worse are trying to change their ways. Or maybe they just were duped in the beginning into you know. We're we're starting a journal and so we need to just accept everything and they took some stuff that was kind of dubious like the senate paper you know that went into. I think an md dpi journal. Who now they're recruiting trying to recruit me to be an editor and i'm saying no way not until that paper's gone so they're trying to bring aboard legitimate scientists even though they've made our lives miserable for years by publishing bad work and there's an interesting thing i did if you look up on predatory pushback I have a blog that started years ago. And it's kind of funny. If you google predatory pushback because i would take the addresses of the solicitations i would receive. And i would see where they are and and then put them on the map and you can see where all these predatory publishers are operating from and like. I was saying empty. Lots Subdivisions apartments in apartment complexes. And it's really really at some of them have a rented office space where they aren't really there but it's a physical address that they can use and they have like a receptionist there and a place that they can get mail and email forwarded so it seems like a legitimate address until you find seven or eight different. Publishers are using the same one. So there's a lotta real slaney stuff going on out there and you just have to be extremely careful in vetting the scientific literature you consume and where you publish very good. Well you've been warrant lookout for predatory journals when you're doing research for school or just curious about a topic but let's let's leave it there. Kevin what's going on at talking. Biotech talking biotech. This week is just me talking about what is an m. r. a. based vaccine. I tried to get people on from the companies. But there's a really weird thing happening right now. Everybody's in full lockdown mode with respect to the media and are really controlling their messaging and so they don't wanna have anybody get out in front maybe. Just tell everybody to be quiet. It's really unfortunate because we know from agriculture that we have to be out in front of new technology in order to garner acceptance. And so i did it myself. You know it's it's not nearly as good as when you have a guess. But i think it's still a provocative episode that helps the listener share. Good information about what these technologies are. And i really do hope you listen especially those of you who are molecular biology geeks. You'll get a little something out of it. So real quick are they just concerned about screwing up their approval with the fda or they just don't want any bad press or it's just it just sounds like it's precautionary or maybe. I'm wrong about that. no. I think you're right. I think it's they're afraid of getting out over their skis. And you know if you because they don't wanna they don't want to bring any They don't wanna they don't wanna bring any attention to something that it unless they don't want to say anything or let any information out unless it's gone through all the filters i think that's what the ideas all right. Well i guess that makes us certain level of sense. We'll check it out and so he's an interesting Science lesson over there and Follow us on twitter at kim. J. english at kevin fulton and subscribe on itunes or spotify review. Some of you guys doing that. Thank you it helps other people find the show. And if you're feeling charitable this holiday season send us a buck five bucks. Click the donate button at the bottom of every episode and we will see you next week.
Brian Stelter | Trump's Debate Performance Was an Embarrassing Debacle: A Closer Look
"The first presidential debate was held last night in Cleveland. Ohio although it wasn't really a debate, it certainly wasn't presidential in it wasn't held so much as it happened to us, I guess the only accurate part of that sentence was Cleveland. Ohio From Thirty Rockefeller Plaza in New York City. Please enjoy this podcast edition of late night with Seth. Meyers on today show Sept. chats. Journalist Brian Stelter but I bought closer look. Last night, we all watch the petulant psycho debase themselves and the nation on live TV, and now his Doreen sycophants or making all kinds of excuses for his performance for more on this it's time for a closer look. So where to begin with that debate last night actually debate is not the right word. It was more like a collective brain hemorrhage. It was like watching democracy, get a lobotomy or is CNN put it. This was the most chaotic presidential debate I've ever seen and I suspect most of you if not, all of you have ever seen that was a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck. That was the worst debate I have ever seen it wasn't even a debate. It was a disgrace that was shell. And we're on cable. We can say that apologies for being maybe a little bit crude. You guys are being charitable watching that debate was hot boxing Porta potty with crystal meth. In Phoenix in July it was like being hit on the head with a lead pipe and a room filled with nitrous oxide. It was like watching two person performance of twelve angry men where one actor played one part and one was mad enough for the other eleven also, Diana. Being crude nothing you could say or do could top that debate wolf blitzer could have shown up full. Gear screaming the lyrics to walk and it still wouldn't have been the crudest thing to happen last night would have been the most fun thing. We've got a couple more debates left Wolf was to stay the obvious one of the most embarrassing debacles in American history and I'm including Kevin. Lines. Performance at the two thousand six teen choice awards. Okay Fed, we owe you an apology without Popo was the lowest point in American history. But that was before the president took appropos Allen, the debate stage, and the debate somehow managed to top the embarrassing run up in the days prior during which the right wing fever swamp belched up a bunch of insane conspiracy theories about Joe, by all of which found airtime on Fox. News from their morning shows to their supposed- straight news anchors Fox spend the entirety of. Yesterday airing one deranged claim about Biden's cognitive state. After another the trump team acid inspect the ears of each debater for electron devices or transmitters. The Biden team has not consented that as far as the listening devices and the campaign's response to that I think that's interesting. We're going to have to follow through the day it risk to run a candidate who may be senile. The trump campaign is convinced Biden's staff will try to feed him lines through an earpiece elderly people experiencing memory loss, and the other problems associated with age can have you go for a period of hours at a time and be just fine. I don't think there's any doubt Biden senile, but it doesn't mean GONNA show up tonight look. The man has dementia. There's no doubt about it. I've talked to doctors I've had them look at one, hundred, hundred different tapes his five years ago when today the Biden people say it's fine. He can't recite the pledge of allegiance and he's fine. He actually displays symptoms to gerontologist. Told me are classic symptoms of Middle Level Dementia I think the president is quite right to say, maybe he's taking. Or? A some kind of attention deficit disorder. It's not just my opinion. It's the opinion of a number of doctors have actually You know interviewed where interviews were they exams like during these interviews Rudy, were you wearing a gown that tied in the back? These interviews was so secret and they didn't want me to take notes. So they tied by heads together. But sure Fox and friends take medical advice from a guy who always looks like he has electrodes attached to his testicles makes this noise who? Also Fox and friends. What are you guys doing a lunatic rants and raves about God knows what's and you just sit there like tourists watching a guy take a dump on the train maybe this is performance art honey. Just. Give me a dollar tip. Also, I love this new argument Fox has courtesy of Brit Hume that Biden is actually secretly senile seems to me that if you have it together enough to hide your senile, it might not be senile pretty sure if you were suffering from dementia would show up at the debate. In fact, I'm pretty sure it did seriously everyone watched that debate had flashbacks to arguing with the drunk friend to hand over his car keys. Drunk then tell me how many fingers I'm holding up. So they tried arguing that Biden was in cognitive decline, but then it became obvious he wasn't. So they had to change tack to suggesting maybe he's on drugs if anyone's on drugs, you guys if you tune into Fox News at any given moment, they sound like they just got done doing blow in the bathroom at CBGB's. screenwriters pitching ideas. All right. So what if he has like I don't know a secret earpiece, right? He gets questions in advance but he's senile You can't tell because you got a shot of adrenaline his heart just like Pulp Fiction. In Fox's supposed straight news anchors who just casually entertaining insane conspiracy theories like Biden wearing an earpiece the debate you know if Bein was wearing an earpiece because he wouldn't have the latest model, he'd have the big Ole clunky one with the curly wire going down the back of his shirt, and during that debate, he would call backup like an undercover cop and bus on bed. Oh Man. I didn't realize you fellas. They have so many guns you gotta give me out of here and Sassafras Sassafras mature. Let's entertain the idea that one of the candidates was on adderall. I wonder who it was they will under my proposal. and. A Sad. So we have to be. Talking about this, the highest trade deficit with Mexico starting percent China. Joe Said maybe we should drop a nuclear weapon on them. They I never said that was an idea not an organization. You got it listen feed just stay out of the way Oh really here a really this guy I want. Alad and he's just a frayed counting the votes. I want to continue with you on. President Biden. Man Did someone switch out is, can for diet, crank all the crank none of the calories I've never seen the actual readiness of his face overtakes Browns I. Like that trump had so much crazy coke energy that the moderator Chris Wallace literally had to yell no at him to beg him to stop interrupting. You don't want me to ban. Gentlemen. Heavily, you would have been just later. Later, Sir Chris Waiting whereas now, let me ask my well I'll ask Joe I. After president who died. GO AHEAD NO NO MR president. Know. About MR PRESIDENT NO MR PRESIDENT Honest The answer is no. The moderator of a nationally televised debate had to treat the president like a rabid dog humping his leg no, no. New New bet bed president be well Biden was just standing there looking over at the camera GRANDPA and a sick gay believe my daughter married this dope but the range petulance on display from trump last night it's not unique and it's not an aberration within the GOP the. Conservative movement unless you let them scream uninterrupted for ninety minutes straight. They think you're out to get them even if you work for the same network during the debate Fox host Laura Ingram tweeted trump is debating the moderator in Biden I love she calls Chris Wallace the moderator like she doesn't know you guys are co workers you get the same Fox News sweatshirts every Christmas and your paychecks are signed by the same guy. These people are such pathetic sycophants. CAN YOU IMAGINE IF MONETARY TO DEBATE MR PRESIDENT? The first question is to you how are you so good at golf and is it hard being as strong and handsome as you are you have ninety minutes to respond Mr? Biden, you can go. Not. Like Wallace didn't have moments of obsequiousness twice he teed up questions by promising the president they would make him happy. Sir You'll be happy about to pick up on one of your points to ask the vice president, which is he points out that you would like to add a public option to Obama Care Mr Preser-, you're GonNa be very happy because we're not going to talk about lawn. First of all, it's not your job to make him happy second of all wasting your time because he's never going to be happy if he was a children's book character, he would be an who the happiness of children and never gets full and then a talking butterfly would tell him. You'll never taste happiness until you face your anger and then he'd eat the butterfly and third of all. It's not a moderator's job to. Be. A hostage negotiator trying to get the president calm down during a debate. I know you're upset about protesters send in some sandwiches. Trump's allies just can't help but make excuses for his grotesque behavior even done junior got in on the Wallace bashing and the an interview with Sean Hannity and Hannity said nothing we knew that was coming anyway with with across Wallace you know understand he's a Fox guy, but he's he's no. He's no conservative. He's GonNa be in he's no centrist either. Chris Wallace liberally works for Fox News Nata, liberal the and the energy of exhausted data at. Thanksgiving. Trying to get his burnout Sunday take off his headphones tyler what we say about blasting. Metallica at the dinner table. No Tyler stop giving me the Middle Finger Oh. Now it's double middle fingers very creative tyler you know what you're going to be very happy because I'm moving your curfew back to three M. The Fox News Post debate spin was even more pathetic than all the whining about the moderator trump is an apex Predator. He's the lion king trump went out there tonight and did what trump does. He's the shark in the ocean and he acted like you're going to get a gladiator warrior fighter in Donald Trump a guy that is going to go to battle like he has for the last four years. He's a Predator gladiator shark in the ocean e. like a cross between man xena Warrior Princess in a bowl of Farina with googly eyes and I'm sorry you watched that. Debate, on Apex Predator, and a gladiator warrior fighter because he didn't look like a Predator to me most of the time he stood there with his head cocked like an old dog just heard a twig snap held onto that podium the way my grandma holds onto her walker when they're reading the powerball numbers and when they weren't slobbering all over him Fox pundits, GOP allies were pretending they washed a completely different debate altogether it's a precedent was so solid when he talked about the economy when he talked about his covert response, that's pretty selective saying this guy nailed the approach. Just wanted to watch it again. So at the Internet's good for. Everything else. Jumps and capable of talking about policy because his record is dismal and he doesn't know anything there's a raging pandemic and economic crash in the West is on fire and that's why he's talking about drugs and Hunter Biden whatever other he and his gang a Mafia. Boss heads concocted. That's all they can talk about they have nothing else. Same reason why trump refuses to condemn violent white supremacists while he's lying about the safety of male balancing his only chance of remaining in power is to undermine the election and threatened violence if. He loses he doesn't want to win the election. He wants to destroy the election just like he destroyed the debate last night, he was given the opportunity to announced violent white supremacist militias told them to stand by and then later urged supporters to go to the polls and physically intimidate voters. Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence and a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland Typically. Has a I would say almost everything I see is from the left-wing not from the right. Now what are you? What are you? What are you saying? I'm willing to do anything I want to see what Sir Hi do it say? You want to call them. What do you want to call them give me a name. Give me A. Boris. By. Stan, black and stand by. My supporters to go into the polls and watch very carefully because that's what has to happen I. AM urging them to do it. They literally told him do it condemn them and he still wouldn't the best he could muster was sure I'll condemn them before refusing condemn them. That's the way you respond when you are offered a or d'oeuvres at a party Jiro Tak- crab puff then you spit in the Napkin and throw it away was. Grabbing that and then to follow that up by telling your supporters, which would include those violent right wing militias to intimidate people at the polls is just chilling. Let's remember we've already seen arm right wing militias roaming the streets of Louisville Wisconsin and now Lila far right groups like the boys are celebrating trump's call out of the debate. If you're to sum up the state of our democracy right now I think you'd have to say that it's a show. And you know we're on cable we can say that apologies for being maybe a little bit crude Dan my word, and if you're wondering what sort of defense trump allies could possibly mount of those comments. Here's Rick Santorum who for some reason is still a CNN commentator doing his level worst. US asking the president to do something that he knows the president doesn't like to do, which is, which is say something bad about people who support him right dining violent. Well talking about the. Young White Supremacist. Defense so I guess by that same token trump would accept an endorsement from Isis. If they praised him, they were smart. They'd start waving trump lags in the back of their trucks show against. The Caliphate. Of My. Good Vision. President's performance at last night's debate was truly one of the most embarrassing debacles in American history trump to based himself in the nation, and then as worm supporters linked to his defense trump's behavior. Last night was perfectly emblematic of the modern GOP right wing media and the conservative movement. The Republican Mascot shouldn't be an elephant. It should be a possum being cornered in a garage by a rake. They're all this deranged petulant children constantly grieve. Making excuses we got a close up look at just how odious and grotesques the president is only goals are chaos and nihilism. He thinks that's the path to power, and now it's up to us to show him. He's wrong and restore democracy by voting in overwhelming numbers to repudiate him and everything he stands for because right now, our democracy is a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck there's been a closer look. Artists CNN's chief media correspondent and the anchor of the networks show reliable sources, his bestselling Book Hoax Donald, Trump Fox News, and the dangerous distortion of truth is out now please welcome to the show Brian stelter. Thanks for being here. Brian. And credible restraint to not be doing this in front of a bookshelf that has your new book I tip my cap. I don't have any books Oh. Wow. Nice. Very nice play on that one So This is a book about Fox News One of the people you cover in the book among many is Chris Wallace the moderate of last night's debate he went into it saying that he wanted to be invisible. That does not strike me as the case here as we're coming up on a day later how do you think he performed last night in obviously to give a you know some credit very chaotic night. Would you ever want moderated beat with Donald Trump? I don't think I would ever want to do. It's very, very difficult mission. So you've gotTa have some simply Chris Wallace but you know he gave an interview to the New York Times today where he said he never dreamt that would go off the rails this way you never dreamt the trump's strategy would be to just interrupt constantly throw everything off. Here's the problem set. A failure of imagination has been a big problem for the past five eaters. Didn't imagine that trump could get elected and of people didn't imagine that he would go into office and try to break all the last and blow up the institutions of the country. We need to make sure we don't have any more failures of imagination right now this was predictable I do appreciate his honesty and saying you didn't see it coming but even if he did see it coming. What do you do in that situation and you know even now we have you know the debate commission saying they're going to change the rules but I can't imagine they're to change it in a way that will stop Donald Trump from blowing up whatever standards they set for any debates I mean, is there a way to have a normal debate when one half of the DEBATERS DONALD TRUMP? Well. That's the thing. Even if they cut off his microphone future debates, which is definitely being talked about by the commission now, even if they cut off his microphone so that viewers can't hear him. Joe Biden can still hear the moderator can still hear him. So even cutting off the microphone is not GonNa be enough to moderate or control the situation, but here's why the next debate will be different. It's going to be a town hall in front of Normal People asking average American questions. So maybe he won't feel like it can be as much of A. I mean New Year's lot of words earlier rabid dog. Maybe you'll feel like you can't do that when he's in a town hall format. Put. My. Words. I'm glad you said about cutting off the Mike because you know working in TV you know this again if they cut his mic, not only the point is true that you know Biden was still hear him. You'll still be able to hear him a little bit through Biden's Mike and it will be a more distracting than it would be hearing the words he's saying so I, hope that's not their plan because that is a bad. Plan. You talk about in this book is well, how influenced Donald Trump is by Fox. News. What elements of that? Did you see clearly on display last night? All the hunter Bein references trump's weird reference to wear Biden went to college in Delaware it's all these right wing means that get into trump's diet through fox news boxes like the beating heart of the right wing media world and then what comes out of that heart whether it's blood or something else it gets pumped all throughout the right wing body. So you know sometimes sub starts on Fox other times starts in fever. Response of the Internet and gets on Fox and friends, but the point is trump gets to it by Fox. So Fox is like the delivery device for this poisoned information, and frankly that is what is so disturbing me as a media reporter I look at trump through a Fox News prison. So He's getting a poisoned information diet and when he's out there screaming about Hunter Biden on stage. Well, he's he's proven my point. A lot of people you SORTA social media throughout the debate last night we're saying I can't handle this I'm tuning out. This is too toxic You not only watched the debate last night, but you for your book view sort of watched Fox News more than is maybe a healthy amount. Did you find it hard to watch it day in. India. That's funny. I watched like president trump. I have the volume off I watched by a fast forwarding I'll fast forward through shows just so I can only see what's on the banner. See what they're saying he'll I don't think you can understand without understanding Fox, right now it is an alternative reality where New York City Place I love is a hell hole disaster zone. It's so unhinged from reality but if you don't know what your grandfather your grandmother's hearing on Fox, then you can't possibly reasonable conversation. So I I did watch much Fox the book mostly muted and here's the funny thing at home. I don't know how this works have. My wife would always know when I had Fox with volume up remember I turned the volume she somehow can tell that it wasn't CNN or MSNBC like she had a sixth sense for Fox of course she she wanted me to mute it but I told her I was working I told her I had to work well, one thing she might a heard on Fox. News. You don't hear on the other cable news channel is. Fox News personalities complaining about you by name. You come up a lot. How is it? How does it feel to be a cable news reporter? Who is you know basically being dragged by the cable news reports on another network and I'm one of their hate objects and we just have to be with the way it is and it's Oh trump's leading a hate movement against the media and he has a bunch of hate objects and Fox picks up. On those runs with those but it is so surreal seth when you're watching Sean Hannity show and all of a sudden he's telling Humpty dumpty and he's using a funny picture you're on TV, like that that never gets that's always weird and it's weird for me because Hannity used to be really friendly with me. He gave me great advice when I went went into. CNN like. Almost a mentor of Sorts Cover Carlson to he donated money when I was a blogger so to have these relationship to these guys and then to see them fall so far down the rabbit hole, it's it really is surreal. Tucker called me a unique once I had to Google that word and I wish I hadn't learned what it meant but now every day I. Get tweets from people calling me calling me those insult and it really does speak to how you know this information war is waged like I think it's mostly it's funny I don't really care that they call me Humpty dumpty I know that I've got a bald. Head but it does show how information wars raged ways all these trolls on and use the nicknames foss comes up. You know what? I mean you also one of the things you uncovering the book is that behind the scenes you have sources that tell you that Sean. Hannity. Also thinks the president is crazy that a lot people who work there would. It was off the record agree with your in my assessment of him. You know what is your takeaway from that? That's why I wanted to write hoax because so many people at Fox are hypocritical right now there are so many sources at the bottom and the top in management who are concerned about trump who say's like a madman and may go because he's calling their stars he's calling entity overtime Andy says his own friend trump is crazy acting like A. Crazy person in and yet entity never reflects that reality intelligence. So there's other hypocrisy that has to be exposed. Even White House aides feel this way. Hope Hicks his people I wish trump wouldn't talk so much about Fox wish you wouldn't watch much Fox. Well, you know this this is the reality of the situation we have to face it head on I know there's lots of people to. Say, we need to fact check more than that's true. That precedes the fact check. The Republican set up trump is always people make excuses and saying that other institutions need to take action. We know what the problem the problem is the president and yes fact checking help and yes other things can help but you know as I read in the book like when Grandma is sick when you Have a loved one who is sick? The entire family suffers and I had people at Fox. News say to me is that what's going on Brian is that what's going on and they they are wondering the same things in lots of other people are wondering the difference is when you work for Fox, you're afraid to say out loud on the record because it's GonNa Piss off the audience. Well congrats on the book. It is a very nice historical record I look forward. To win it is a historical record because that will mean we're in the future, not the present. Thanks. So much being here. Hoax is available now. Late night with Seth Meyers weeknights on NBC at twelve, Thirty, five eleven thirty five central original music on the late night podcast is by the ban over the follow the handle late night set on social media until your friends who subscribed to the late night podcast wherever they get their podcasts.
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and five pretty upbeat about the future a mortar com as we continue in jimmy is in chicago type off a really interesting you're talking about how a former save they say their football program and you know it's interesting because had currie not botched the coaching search you know pruitt would have been back for another season as alabama's defensive coordinator and nobody's really talked about that much i thought that was totally unexpected everybody i think new career was gonna get fired but i just think they were gonna fire when they did you know you know what do you know what if alabama if all of these things had if he had been able to hire any of those people in jeremy had remained at alabama alabama would have won the national championship last year no question because now they had to scramble around and it turned out that tosh was in no way shape or form you know ready to takeovers coordinator and it was just despise the referees just kind of there were problems they're all year long that just didn't get corrected it and yeah that is one thing on credit a pet friends of mine told me that privately from from that from that city but show without jeremy a they never could find their their mojo back in a it was a huge loss you're absolutely right yeah and i don't know if you remember but around a month ago i was discussing q the subject of a they present it at all burn in the past has always been more or less a ceremonial position and that kind of label i guess obviously we lifted with the contract extension jim for gus an there were a you know a lot of people i guess that were a you know they were split you know somewhere for some warrant and then last year you know he was on the ledge i mean it was just a same down the warner two people were the he was gonna make it past last year an you'd mentioned amazing yeah that that he was a you know that it was a i guess leaf that really made the call on extending his contract and then you find out that a couple weeks ago he gets ousted so my question to you is is that main the bears kind of return to the traditional way of doing things in that auburn's board of trustees has probably been the most powerful board of trustees of of any major public institution would you agree yeah end because it's it's been run by a handful of people and we all know who they are in in in you know i think the power is back with people on that board who want gus malzahn out yeah that that that that that certainly was the clear signal me when that when that new place and now and now talking about the upcoming season for them i mean that opener jerry world against oregon dummy i mean that's that's really the whole season because if they don't win that game it is how people were talking about how the gift eight games how do you get the seven went well you know i don't even think it's a total when you think about reschedule gimme a loss there in that game saturday night monday morning tuesday whenever people reconvene the there's the conversation about who is in trouble is gus malzahn song because he he may not have a whole season to play with us in i will call the schedule up here in a minute in those watching a into those listening i'll read it to you but there is a specific reason he he ever met we just talked about less miles amend the show less miles didn't make it out of september because of the schedule in any gus malzahn will be in trouble is well well yeah look i saw a on a safe a a the twenty eight year at eight pm then you're at florida at arkansas course you know they're they're rebuilding but still vote sandwiched between a florida and then a trip tabet and route you never know but you gotta figure that one that one but then you go to a bat and root for you had one since ninety nine i mean you're looking at what is still a jimmy he looked you lose the oregon and then you come back and lose day in them you still have mississippi state you're you're to down that's not an easy game a even if you win that game they the next week ago the florida you have three losses on october fifth in in in you still having played three top ten teams on your schedule you're right and the thing about that mississippi state that important most people don't realize the fact that it's sandwiched between road games at him and far that's what makes it so dangerous and you're absolutely right they could easily lose that game if they're not laser focus because that's where it could it could just simply blow up on him and i dunno whenever they are the bye week is a would be you could see something happening around that right an aunt talking about that opener i know that everybody at all bird really feels good about a niche a potentially becoming a great player forming an but you know coming right out of the gay straight out of high school ended up possibly if not starting playing a lot against oregon and you're playing in oregon team who's gonna have probably the first or second pick a quarterback kicked in the nfl draft and a lot of returning starters i'm telling you what i mean you gotta give they edged the oregon but you don't ever know but still though they're inexperienced spirits at quarterback also it's gonna be a huge issue for them in the first half of the season i know you're a hundred percent correct well said a always good to talk to you thank you for the call let's move along here he is in new orleans harry good afternoon hey paul welcome back a so to speak and thank you for taking my call thank you paul from a from a perspective of a watt once we get close to a season will have a lot of prognosticators in production manager and of course you go every week only sbn we look forward to that but before the season ball any chance of getting danny sheridan own or maybe you do i just don't yeah we talked to danny over the weekend a we were hoping together monsoon 'em but a we will definitely get danielle and that's a guarantee to watch great 'cause it's you know that those are like the put their money where their mouth is and it's always listen to somebody like dan in because you just don't get that kind of you know it's one thing if you're a writer for athletic not to pick on them and you give a prediction danny a when he gives a prediction people were paying for that information there there there's a higher standard and we had a we had a show about a two weeks ago he came he he easily one of the most requested guess we have an we will try to a pin him down for a date her relatively soon great ball please share and sank enjoy the show and now look at all to the rest of the week we also hope that tim brando launching tim told me a before we broke up for the fourth at a he's ready to make his long awaited predictions for the season so i don't know if we can grab ten this week next week were in hoover so we're not gonna be able to get too far off the beaten path with the couple of guests we definitely want here very soon let's grab terry in pensacola you're on next good afternoon here hey paul appreciate you taking my call in show very very much a just won't talk about mack brown brown a boy's been a a kind of looked at him as a very good football coach sherry did a good job at texas i think in a how you think he's gonna do in north carolina and what type of coaches staff as he got dreamed about i'm glad you brought that up checking in with mac the other day and he feels pretty good and he's inheriting a mass they won what a three games last year something like that for i think he's gonna struggled this year but but i really think in two to three years he's recruiting very well a that was one of the main reasons bubba cunningham brought him in the ticket sales were up which is unusual nowadays and college sports so i i think mac is is a i think max nugget that program a turning in the right direction and i made the statement he other day i was on a program in a in in the in chapel hill i believe raleigh and i said i thought he'd be in the championship game in three years and people said you have to be crazy but if you looked at the other side of the ac see i think randy myself danny in in in in market coach a team to a to a championship to at least the championship game can be clemson but will get their savings the seat i mean if a pittsburgh got their last year we can get there in three years will take a break more to come as we continue here on monday afternoon i can't believe that gerald is presenting the quarterly budget report with finger puppets here comes a one point seven percent decrease in fixed overhead everybody no i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico dope projected increase in organic three revenue believe at geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance pride passion then pageantry of college football leaves here is the paul finebaum show our to podcast a walking back glad you are with us let's talk to eric in south carolina hello eric well paul of forty basing your opinion on the tennessee gonna beat south carolina yeah well that was not my opinion that was that'd be opinion david urban who is he a person who covers tennessee no you said you believe they would do well i'm not is i'm not positive yet the but the but if if i pry okay well but i gotta make sure he picked him seven and five including one shot at this point i would probably lean toward tendency not convincing labor i would lean toward them a home field of privacy the cider simple is that there's not much there to me it's a i think south carolina proudly as a better team right now from top to bottom in tennessee i'm just not sure sure how they're gonna play on the road thank you know that that's what i call a conversation two way conversation a lot of give and take a lot of camaraderie lot of humor to how'd you like oh tennessee excuse me terry i got tennessee on the brain terry go right ahead hey paul obviously you would agree that there is a correlation between recruiting in on the field success sure 'em so tennessee might have a top ten recruiting class in which most people would thanks pretty good in that might only be forced best in the league exactly what i was trying to get out of the are friend a minute ago a i remember talking about butch jones a number of years ago in would for butch jones butch jones had a top five recruiting class and they experts and he needs about three in a row and that's what jeremy pruitt jeremy pro doesn't need a thirteenth ranked recruiting class he needs a second ranked recruiting class and you can get one right now will give him a couple years before you judging but there has done shift that's my point there is so much stress there's so much traffic ahead of him it's so hard to build a program to compete but paul was the last time tennessee beat alabama spin a i think it was two thousand and six i just wanna make sure i really can't remember it's been a long time i mean i think that's right but i'm not positive well when they do that then you'll know they're back so that sure a but hey 'em anyway have great day thank you very much thank you very very much a great interview on let's continue our roger in north carolina heller roger hi thanks for taking my call thank you so it's all off season every once in a while i feel like watching a football game among some of the channels show games from sixty seventies early eighties i realize i'm dating myself fair but it just occurred to me how much more enjoyable was watching the football game the way we played and the way we covered that because the whole point of the game was just the game we're holding sideline reporters i didn't have forget replace the authors reaction at the quarterback spot his reaction stands stands the games rewatch shorter without all the reviews and that's just something i wanna bounce off you have your family that's a big one experience of viewers will i'm sorry what roger rose the last thing you said have you ever quarterly these old games at a thought well you know it's not it's not just different just because i wish for you you should know why they don't want i every time i bring this up i get pushback from conference people and officials shows and commissioners but short in the games already a i mean they're they're they're they're unwatchable in i realize i worked for the most important and influential television network and the land in i don't know whose fault it is but games don't have the last four hours a day and don't tell me their two minutes shorter than they were last year they're still too long i mean i'll watch the game yet the soccer match yesterday it was two hours start to finish that i'm not suggesting it back in the sixties or seventies you could go to a football game wasn't on television it would be about two and a half hours maybe two hours and a and then i moved to three and then moved to three fifteen and now it's completely out of control well it's just one of the parents hurt off steal the car itself you know the great great call in and i think you're right we had this conversation on the radio friday big we had like a town hall meeting a in everyone talked about why attendance is down some of it's pretty obvious reasons convenience parking expense a but the lanes the games came up and i i maybe i should go down the hall and as somebody 'cause i i saw a friend of mine here today they in are building who is in charge of all that three sdn why did the games maybe go for hours money is that is that why okay i'm sorry i think they're great at four hours don't you m j k is up next in birmingham how're you shy about what's going on man you know if it was adamant oh yeah well i always get confused dhamma hater i have i have the salem jake jake all of a sudden now like found later but we don't we don't wanna put down hater on the screen that might give people the idea that someone who doesn't like dhamma but did put out by the bedroom deadwood that works hey paul won't be at a pace you mean they next week you baby the slam i have on a pride or search step forward for the sixteen oh well why don't you come over and say hello to me i'll be i'll be the guy in front of the paul finebaum show booth hey paul you know what a covered a lot cooler today they they they still making excuses for that game in january i don't understand why i thought they were up by now do you realize that we are we had a yesterday we pass these six month anniversary of that game hey man hey it's just like hey my birthday tomorrow that there's something else that could celebrate but a little tired of just one undertake a he would try to talk about how good they are no more proven plan saving his usual blah blah blah but i also worked for the kind of shut him up also admit what we were looking for on a playwright team is that i thought i was talking the talk of the period because he will have dvd dvd then question abam here no man i'll just make a saudi bama's saying that kinda feel sorry for now but i kind of don't but almost say it is the chick fil bobby please come out of hand ship but yeah we and update on bobby here in a couple of minutes randy are are you are you a camera engineers that you're a title tamra engineer no one just there's a camera person anymore randy is a camera engineer he was in birmingham last week the week before he went in search of bobbing were going to tell you about how his travels were a little bit later on more phone calls right now in reid is in houston l a raid eyeball doing a were doing great a first time caller i love this i got a couple of i got one question one comment on mushrooms to grab then i love clemson me too and i'm not sure why people just don't enjoy the moment at southport gets in forget about comparing clumps into alabama alabama's alabama clemson clemson and i wish they just enjoy the moment the second question question i heard you guys you guys keep winning it's hard to enjoy the moment a well this is honestly i mean i just enjoy the moment i don't i don't know why people just keep the past alabama alabama's alabama like dot w h y a brief because some of your colleagues your clemson and fans a can't enjoy the moment in can't luxuriate in the fact that their program is at the top of the game right now they have to try to a tear down alabama and act like they're better than alabama a and it's too bad really 'cause i mean it's i mean you know about i mean it's low clemson but i mean when when when when when we went twelve national championship but whether that no no you guys are already become that i'm not i'm not i'm not no more no more can i can't handle these little old clemson were just really work out doesn't have cable tv including a word you and i were just happy to be here you're coach makes nine million dollars a year you you're a defensive coordinator makes more than the president united states is not worth a lot you're but i mean just act like you you you you you've been there for five years okay i i'm i'm with you and i had a question i'm i've got nobody gives us any respect hey look we are now so i i wanna make one production though two years ago it essy's at excuse me in acdc media days that was held in downtown charlotte north carolina everyone got the talking points and every coach in by the way the leadoff coach jimbo fisher and they said acdc this was after alabama had lost the first time he ac is the best football conference in america dabo's said it jimbo said mark rick said it everyone said it would anyone like tibet a week from next week in charlotte when he acdc coaches gather how many many acdc coaches will try to act like they are the best conference in american football titans shat who will hear more about little oakland and just happy to be here we just try to get that ac see see championship game against pittsburgh yeah hopefully they'll have a winning record this time up against the break get an m factor into clemson's national championship hopes pretty big game against them coming up and owen buchanan will join us next pride passion then pageantry of college football leaves here is the paul finebaum show our to podcast one buchanan joining us show and thank you for the time we were trying to look back on texas saying them in the wreckage this is good a the facilities were fantastic but there have been changes a coaching change was made and basketball and football andy eighty eighty who made the changes has departed so a is there any is there some of the shine off the program because of all that time i don't think so not not around here i think there's still a lot of excitement about the trajectory of the program as far as football goes indefinitely with buzz williams coming in there's a i guess a renewed interest in basketball a bald on you guys all the sweet sixteen to in the last three years that's true but they end up billy kennedy should have been commended for that but they also they also they only two times a sense a mark turgeon left at a that they aggies had been in the nc double a tournament so when they got in two times in like eight years seventy years they did well but you know you you do you do you ignore the fact that you didn't give him for six years of that of that state you know what i'm talking about jimbo because a we had a guy on the other day who wrote a scathing piece you may have read it a in the bleacher report mad hayes about jimbo's departure saying he did a pretty nice job a wrecking that program at the end then i know that nobody pays attention to that in college station because of what he's done there and we all agree recruiting been phenomenal the trajectory unbelievable but does that bother people out there at all that that he he literally ran that program after leading it to the national championship into the playoffs two years in a row right into the gutter oh well i think that there were those here that would question i if it went right into the gutter yeah they they did have a bad year in his last year there but a bullet holes at already had the by themselves into a bowl game a well that's true they did play last game a channel did did mark dantonio lake michigan state into the gutter when they went three and out just two years ago or a the same with the brian kelly at notre dame when they went for but but the greatness of nick sabin is that his program a since he got it going in at at alabama has never had a debt but there's a lotta great college football coaches but i think we consider some of the best in the country there have had a death and i saw that story and i i know matt he's a good friend of mine 'em in it struck me as a a you know trying to have the back of the new coach by putting the blame elsewhere and could jimbo fisher had done some things differently at florida state in terms of maybe more balanced recruiting probably but his last a i think his last four recruiting classes were ranked you know depending on how much which a service you're looking at but ranked third third fourth and six i think i counted up there starting defense last year had guys that i think seven i'm not sure i agree with you on that but i'm just trying to i'm trying i'm just trying to square that article 'cause i agree with you a a it's it's perplexing it's always been nagging me what were the circumstances of jimbo leaving it seemed like it seemed like a coup who when when when an m scott woodward was able to hire him but when you read that article in you you learn some of the things that we've all learned the jimbo is probably ready to go by mid season maybe even signal to word word then he was the maybe it wasn't quite the cruise at the press conference made it out to be well i do think that now now first of all if you remember that a president john thrasher florida state when i first approached jimbo fisher year he was saying that he's as good as gold meaning be here as long as he wants to be so the official in our state did morning tully drivers on do you really believe that well i know that was quoted they wanna i watched the news every day here live you know twenty four seven i mean i'm just asking if you really believe the largest they want to keep him a yeah i do and i believe that they could've pushed aside when he went when she was a cording they did not so firm one we understand for we've been told what we are i've not been out to the tallahassee but i understand maybe some of a facilities in some infrastructure was not up to be a standards standards of a lot of big time programs and that was concerned for fisher in so when you get guaranteed were gonna take care of those issues a have really hurt facilities and then all by the way will pay you seven and a half million dollars year i think it later pretty a pretty attractive job so we know we know what this year looks like a better team maybe a lot of momentum impossible schedule so when you factor all that in what what are you realistically looking i mean what what's the expectation from this season you know i think what i just wanna say out of the team this year is a reason to believe that they're still moving forward a i don't know that that means it they're ready to challenge alabama for a conference championship yet i'm not gonna say that but i think if they could match last year is nine wins and i think they even have a shot at a at a at may begin attempt winner bowl game i think everyone would take the that's tremendous tremendous year now that would that would require a winning all the games you feel like you're supposed to and then maybe pulling off and upset at one of those big four games against alabama clemson and georgia but they were able to last year so yeah i i don't think you go in thinking that a all of those games or or or none of those games are winnable yeah i mean i i get all that i i'm i'm a i'm a fan of the program i'm just i look at those four games and i don't see a win there i just i'm just trying to understand how someone else could see one oh well again i would say that you go into all those games especially with three among the road and understand that you're absolutely and underdog dog but i don't think anybody thought that a a an everyone's gonna play clemson down to the wire last year at no no i think in all the games that they lost the only one that they they really had no chance to win in the last two minutes was the alabama game so you've got a team with more experienced quarterback marc spears neighbors intersected urine jimbo fisher's offaire yesterday canada's the huge if if they can make some significant improvement in their past deep they're not they might be able to pull off the matter ten win season which one of those games you think they have the best shot at winning more you know about those who are watching on tv let me make sure you understand the games at clemson early in the year a alabama on the twelfth of october at your john the twenty third november an ad unless you on november thirtieth yeah you know to me i i even though it's on the road i would still say l shoe a i i think there's enough question to you know what's going on with him all offensively to wonder you know they're moving trying to move to a more pass friendly off aunts and all those things get into more morrogh fans will see see how that works out 'em but a yeah i mean if i had the right one that i i know what's on the road i get that i think by the look and say i which team of those for that she might have the best chance to win i i would pick the team this year already be yeah again and then you know you know ls you folks not happy about the way that game ended a i'm sure there won't be any any any juice in that stadium in late november all i've never i've never been in that stadium though when there was a lot of juice well no by the way that you should not gonna have a factor on the game but i i i would i would think you would if they brought the same officiating crew they might they might be well served yeah i think it's funny that no one brings up the the the the the officiating crew in the clemson game either a still think the the courtney campbell is clearly out of bounds but a an you know they they keep talking about some of the things have happened into the game but kevin lines and he was clearly down there is one second on the clock when they spiked it there were some a a there were some pass interference penalties that were legitimate so yeah a lot of calls win against a ls you but at least some perspective a lot more like a like a likely official in the booth hey i wanna thank you very much always great to catch up with you and we'll see you soon thanks for all you can in a taking a view of the aggies and what their season looked like a lot of optimism don't man we're heading into a break and we hope you'll be back with those afterwards the pride passion then pageantry of college football leaves here is the paul finebaum show our to podcast we welcome you back glad you're here in let's get back to the calls at eight five five to four to seven two eight five can is in austin good afternoon can hey good afternoon paul thanks a lot for taking my call and by the way i really missed you last week a now look for other things on the tv i first place this call i don't talk about tennessee football but to last a desk job stimulated meter bring up something about you and the remarks were made earlier in the show about jimbo fisher being better is unbearable bron there's no way he could terry bears water and by the way bearer came over from kentucky them a winner a loser he only lost one game in the final year to by the way i'm trying under a a cause i i was joking about who made the reference the jimbo is the best coach in nfl history now a but anyhow a you know who beat kentucky was leading i think they were ranked number one in the nation and they have another thing that came up in your program reese y'all talking about the best kentucky quarterback but i so the the one the bears had a well no it wasn't the best in the most popular oh oh god there had they really didn't pay per rally off by the way i'm slow bennie fowler and football for seventy years so i did some of these but that's okay anyhow a tendency be pro alley i think it was like a settlement enough sooner or it was a close game but i had a silver guys on my style or tennessee a guys and they tell me the tennessee knew something about bay parolees action and they were ready for have you hurricane thing about that a no first i've ever heard of that but but again i in in that one that was men that were lightly before my time yeah but by the way i do follow a tennessee florida you know i have a florida fan but the other guys i i i saw the tennessee during the time outlived in birmingham area was a one of a alabama and the bears name a contributor i'm a competitor well yeah i mean it started as you probably remember when he would say kentucky and tennessee with a dry its biggest rival in tennessee with bronze biggest rival at alabama yeah well then how thanks for taking my call and i really enjoy your show thank you very much nice of you to call a tim is in orlando tim go right ahead hey how're doing today doing great thank you i apologize profusely 'cause i missed the first hour but i just wanna talk a little bit about mr to bit sure and they meant a lot to my parents my parents smith is the university of florida georgia edmonson obviously this mr to bed or sure 'em alligator grad myself and i a you know i just i think it deserves a little little bit more covered joe is working to protect the pet duly years it's been fairly new we we we did talk about it a good bit in in the first hour yeah that that you as we produce those brands mark and and i and i miss the first i i am certainly a he's a great great i gotta get it on the podcast no in in in in what we we we just mentioned it m and then we took some calls in listen a i fully i am aware of is important and that's why we mentioned at the very beginning of the show but people are certainly a we welcome anyone to bring bring up the subject and 'cause i am much i'll ask you because i i'm not sure be average person and all include myself in that really understand i mean i know what he did before the games but but help us better understand his importance leaned forward is was basically you know he cannot a half is well you ls shirt yellow shirt long sleeve shirts sweating his butt off i will just used but instead of other word always came out in orange blue tie and he had the the night signed with this where so said mr to this in walked around and said to bit in that that is like an iconic thing i don't think many colleges have anything like that no i i would agree with you on that