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I take them make sure that weekdays ten AM eastern on ESPN coming up on today's show, the broad practices for the first time with his new team. What should be his biggest concern with the Lakers Kevin Durant talks about plans for free agency. Where do the guys think Hobie playing next season is Jerry Jones ready to hit the panic button after the Cowboys slow start and Kevin Hart will stop by which is always a can't miss event. Let's get started. Going on. Everybody will into. I take on Wednesday. Thank you for hanging in with us a lot happening today. Dental man decides Cowboys. Lakers all that good set. We have Kevin Hart with us all finebaum. We'll be joining us Damien Woody so nice, quiet, calm segment with Kevin. Of course, if I Lau it. Why wouldn't you bent? It depends. It depends. I might look at, you know, Kevin Hart. You know, I might not feel like there's enough energy. I'm just saying I might have what we know. He's a big star and he I'm wanna happy to surrender my stage to him because it makes us look better. You gotta flow with the stars baby. But the bottom line is, I just don't know. I saw Kevin, you know, before I walked in here, he looked a little bit out of shape. He didn't look like look like the Kevin Hart to out that, you know, obviously in the more camera, all Boston looking like ready to go. And then I walked to here this morning. He was a. I'm just saying that I'm just saying, I don't know how. No, I'll superstar LeBron James getting all settled in Konic purple bolt. He's being a realist though in tempering his expectation stick. Listen. Amount, very patient guy, but understand that I have to be patient. You know, right now. I mean, I got to be pacing myself too, because this is. This is a new star for me knows my first year years. My first year in the new system. You know how to play the game of basketball, but it's needed me too. So patient with myself now on my teammates, but more myself. So keep in mind LeBron recently tweeted the acronym mud with his teammates. Misunderstood under appreciated, determine very clever. Stephen, it would slip bronze, primary concern. Would this Laker steam? Well, the primary concern is making sure that those older Gaza ready to go the Rondos the land. Stephen says it awarded whatever. I know the younger guys. You're thinking that the older Gaza there to help the younger guys as younger guys that you have to be worried about, but their energy is going to be there and they're gonna feed off of the buzz that LeBron James created. Usually that's how young play is operate. The older players know what their roles are, etc, etc. But at the same time, it's not just going to be about LeBron be impatient. It's going to be about the others being patient. Remember Rondo was there not just to be a point guard, but to help elevate Lonzo ball as a point guard, you're going to have those things to worry about, but here's the biggest thing. Let's understand that when you're talking about LeBron James, it's about a championship and you're gonna happen this year, but will you looking at Lincoln nation and they're descending down upon LeBron. James, it's their way of reminding LeBron excuse me, you got Hollywood and everything in between. We've got three championships, we got to non finals appearances, but at the end every single superstar that has ever worn a Laker uniform outside of Elgin Bela who retired halfway through the season that they wanted to chip in the seventies the bottom line is every one of them is live at a championship to lake nation, and you are going to be beholden to that same kind of obligation. Just the same way to other superstars of donde purple and gold have been LeBron's. Primary concern. They're concerned with a primary concern is real simple Lonzo form, and I will explain why Kouzmouk can play. He can score if never gets any better. He's a pretty good player. That's pretty nice player already. If he just stays like this Ingram is coming. This guy was number two, pick in the draft and what can't you do. Eventually you can project do it a high level. I mean, this guy looks like he's going to be an all star in the not distant future, and he's already pretty damn good. You have veterans like Rondo you mentioned, we know what Rondo brings. You have guys like at the to heart and the veteran, Casey p they can both shoot, they can defend. We know what everyone can do on this team. Lance Stevens Stevenson's pitiful wildcard, but we know he can defend induce certain things ones. Oh, ball was the number two pick in the draft and he can defend and he can. He's a brilliant passer, and his teammates seemed to like him and all that stuff, but the man can't shoot. He shoot you're supposed to shoot the ball from here. Steven, you're a shooter in college. It's a hinge right up. He he shoots from here. Now I give him credit. He's brought it to my over here. And this rate if next year he's here and then the year and five years, he'll shoot it like you're supposed to, but he shot the ball from the wrong shoulder. He's moved it over a little bit. If Lonzo ball is boom, there is no stopping the Lakers maybe not this year. They gotta learn Coen forward. They can have a dynasty if Lonzo ball is bust. This is not going to work, they're going to have to move it. Oh, what's the word? The Lakers. What do you mean? The Lakers are not going to and we're gonna championship. So ball is up, say. In the LeBron era they will have to get rid of Lonzo in order retort was. Retort. What was the point is when they gotta go, Lonzo does so many things so brilliantly at such an early age, it comes down to can he shoot the ball that should be LeBron James primary, everything else we know about if Lonzo ball winds up being a guy who can shoot the ball, there will be no stopping the Lakers. Well, first of all, I disagree with you there. Listen, the bottom line is that we're looking to the Lakers franchise that we, you know, you're talking whether it's Anthony, Davis, Linnet, or whatever the case would be. You're gonna add something next summer because you're gonna have enough to add another max player next summer. That's number one. Number two. When we look at Lonzo ball, let's be clear about something. Here. He is a cerebral mon- on a basketball court. Highly intellectual knows how to play the game of basketball, incredibly unselfish. I'm going to say it what I hopped on about him. Everybody was getting on me for getting on Lonzo ball last year. I never got on him about. You mentioned his shot all the time. My thing was I never mentioned shot. I knew we had to improve it, but I never mentioned it what I continuously. Focused on was aggressive assertiveness. You cannot be passe in the NBA playing the point guard spot. You have to be aggressive. Rondo was no shooter, but he is an attack mode. And as a point guard is specially in an era where now LeBron James wants to get off the ball more supposedly wants to delegate that responsibility of supposedly. I said, this is what he's saying. You want to delegate responsibility to somebody else. It's got to be somebody that instigates and initiates action. Steve may be passing. Standard ad is the problem with line get a little more aggressive. If the point is does that that be more aggressive. That's a mindset. Fixing your shot is a mechanical thing. Then mart what's that to fix the shot to change it? He dog trick shoot like this. You can't shoot like this. I don't think it's going to screw them up more at maybe at first, but eventually and they can't. He can't shoot like this either. You ain't got ain't gonna. So if it's a little at a time, whatever, but that's the whole shooting match aggression. That's a mindset and by the way, Lonzo and LeBron or not the only guys who can get you into your offense. That's the thing about this Lakers team. What magic went and did was counterintuitive. It wasn't surrounded with shooters. It was surrounded with playmakers, you know, who else can get you into your offense. The truth is Lance Stevenson. Can you know who else? Brandon Ingram? Brandon Ingram can run the point. You're learning your own argument? No, Stephen, I'm saying you're saying be more aggressive because you're the point. I'm saying Lonzo to be relevant. That's why I'm saying it's lingering predicated on him. If he's going to be more aggressive, it works for them. He'll play if he does it, he won't play on. And it got a lot of people that you mentioned. If Lonzo ball can shoot, he will be a star. If he can shoot you talk about aggression. He can do everything else at such a young age. It's ridiculous how well he can do so many things if he can shoot, he's a star. The Lakers are monster because then you think, and they got Ingraham and Kouzmin and who. Whoever else they're going sign at low prawn. James not to mention the role players. I mentioned like, and Casey can do things if Lonzo ball can't shoot, it is not the same team. That's the whole shooting match. Sodas will be that I'm trying to make to you is that everyone knows that Lonzo needs to shoot the basketball better and him being able to do that is alternately going to help the Lakers. But this success or lack thereof isn't predicated on him because they have a multitude of individuals who can step in and fulfill the road. He's supposed to fill in the event that he does not do some teams where you take a player and now the way you think of them changes the way you think of the whole team, you think of Lonzo ball as a flawed player could do some nice things you think of the Lakers one way. Now imagine Lonzo ball is a star player. Your whole perception of the Lakers is different. Now they spent the second overall pick on the draft on him. They did the same thing with the ngelo Russell and it didn't work out to the point where they had to move him just to get rid of a Conrad wall has to show that he's worthy. Being a number two overall pick, but even in the event that he does not, it does not alter the Lakers in terms of the direction that they're moving in and the plan that they haven't played. He helps it if he plays. Well, if he doesn't, there are other people who can do it. That's why I'm saying he does. He's not the priority. You're making him out bronze primary concern with the Lakers Lonzo ball shot. Cooking all says. They gotta get off to a quality start because it's a deep west and stating three through eight. They were separated by two games last fall behind, don't think so. I think you're wrong because when it comes to LeBron James, it's not about how you start. It's about how you finish. It's how they end the season. It's not how they beginning. They're going to start on that time, but they're going to start off struggling. The key is how are you going to finish in February, March and Backley, but I'm saying playing the catch up there. Vegas hasn't finishing fifth winning forty eight games this season in the west. We'll keep it going guys, Kevin Durant addressed his current contract situation with the warriors and potential free agency next summer. Saying that it's just one of those things where your call today and your skills and taking it year by year and keeping my options open was the best thing for me. And I think this year it's going to be fun exciting for all of us. I'm looking forward to focusing on that and we'll see what happens after the year. So since joining the words in July two thousand sixteen Durant has only signed one year contracts and include a player option. Katie says, we'll see Stephen a. regarding free agency, pussy really mean, I think he's thinking about leaving the state. That's what that means is that the finna to know what Kevin Durant is keeping his options open. Kevin Durant wants to find himself ideal situation before the ideal situation was positioning yourself to capture a championship. He's won back to back titles along with back to back NBA finals MVP's if he wins at third consecutive title. And dare I say, catches a third consecutive NBA finals. MVP he may have accomplished all that he expected to accomplish in Golden State. And now the question is you got them billionaires and still. Silicon Valley and in San Francisco area. And what have you moving into a new arena? Do you want to be a part of that mix the years to come with Steph curry and at least Klay Thompson or Draymond? Green because it's likely not going to be both. 'cause you can't play off or them, or do you decide to take your services elsewhere to LA to New York? You just never know right now. So Kevin Durant is keeping his options open from everything that I've been told. And I think it's smart. We have debates all the time. I'm going to say this again. We can talk, Anthony Davis, who is a stud and we know he real Kawai landed the same thing to me personally, Kevin Durant is the second best player in the world. I think he is inching up to LeBron James. It's not the divide that max tries to give off, and I think this man could easily go down as the greatest scorer in the history of basketball. When all this, that and done he is an unstoppable -fensive. So he wants to keep his options open. Because he wants people talking about him and his greatness as opposed to us constantly ignoring him just because he's number two to LeBron's. Number one. That's what I think is going no shot to be the greatest scored in the history of the game. That's Michael Jordan. It's not close. He averaged thirty points a game in the hand checking. I was just talking about all the time scoring. He started thirty thousand one and he's there with Kareem Jordan all the greatest scores of all time already. I, I agree with that and I also with this, the rent is more of a transcendent talent than Kawai or Anthony Davis. I just don't think he's actually as valuable as them when Kawai is healthy. I think he comes in four for me three or four. Let me say this. What is Katie really mean by this? What k. d. really means is, and this is why there's an ocean between LeBron and everyone else it's on the court. Yes, but it's also off the court. What he means to say is the game has changed. This is LeBron James story, the NBA, this era like it used to be the Jordan story. The game has changed. LeBron James has changed the game off the court, LeBron James, his legacy as much as it is what he did on the court was the way he changed Labour's relationship to ownership permanently. LeBron James gave players star players, so much power and look. I can't say he's the poor man's curt flood, or he's really rich man's curt flood of anything because he didn't risk what curt, flood risk in baseball to get free agency. Right? But he did take a risk to his reputation though he took a lot of swings and arrows when he went to Miami, the burning him in effigy in Cleveland. But what he did was in power star players. Katie really means to say here is because remember, he said, makes financial sense for me. Go to your year. I'd like to sign long term here. Eventually, what is really saying is I have options. I don't just have to jump through the hoops that are put before me. I can be the chooser not just once upon a time. Jerry West, the brilliant Jerry West had to construct dynastic teams, right? And that's fine. If magic and Kareem and everyone around the same team, that's fine. As long as the GM does it because he wears a suit and tie put if the players decide to do it. That's terrible. It's collusion. It's a lack of competition. What k. d. is saying is things have changed. I can stay here. I can leave. I don't have to tell you what I'm gonna. Do I have options? Thank you, LeBron James. Yeah, that's what I say. You know, he's, he's exploring his options it. He's leaving his options open and he should. But the real, the reality is is again, we talk about LeBron and off the court. There's no disputing that all of these guys. Oh, a tremendous debt to LeBron James, just like LeBron James. Owes a debt to people who have pioneers and came before him. Kobe Bryant, for example, in conversations that they add in China during the Olympics in the kind of things that he was talking about LeBron James has had so much stuff in motion for years. It's all just reaching for wish now. But if it wasn't for Michael Jordan, if it wasn't for Magic Johnson, opening doors for them, it wouldn't be a LeBron James to this level and so on and social so forth. So we get that off the court on the court. Everybody acts like you have to be like LeBron to be great LeBron has never been, nor will ever be the shooter that Kevin Durant is from the free throw line from the field as a perimeter player, etc. Etc. You got that one is three point line. It's on the right side. Great. When you look at LeBron and he's a physical specimen and clearly dominant and what have you? He is a guy that it's a review. He knows defense is he can. He can sit up Dan pick apart. He creates mismatches by forcing defenses to switch. He knows what he's doing. Kevin Durant. No one gives him credit for this. He didn't have to pay attention to that. It didn't matter because you got to remember LeBron won at certain spots. Sometimes he wants to post you. Obviously, he wanted to be on a perimeter. Sometimes you had to prod him to use his physicality to his advantage early in his career because he didn't wanna take guys down low. That was one of the things that cost them championships early on his unwillingness to go down low and be a man a month. Boy, like he was Kevin, the no teammates come on the go, download these things. These are facts. MAC, just read them up. These news stories that have been even LeBron is omitted. He needed to go down no more rain in the first by an I'm talking about the early part of his career. He didn't want to why in focusing on what? What they are naturally, what they actually, because what I'm saying to you is if you are a Kevin Durant while people want to focus on what you are, not, they don't recognize the fact he didn't have to be okay because that skill timeout, he was killed, who's a more unstoppable. Forget about scoring. Forget about natural. What about who it's easy for? Who's a more unstoppable ofensive player? It's a five on five game. LeBron James or Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant, incorrect LeBron Jalen rent. Is that what are you watch more on, but when you want ofensive later on. Four more. That's joke. That's a off thing. Excuse me. Should it start just score? You didn't ask me about a jab or body shot. You asked me about a judge, asked me about Beth. Oh, let me tell you something. Kevin. Durant is six. Eleven? Who can pull up from Saudi brother is on that level ostensibly. Now Kevin. Now, if you want to tell me that Love's physicality, he's big. He's on stop because he could get to the anytime you want to skill Kevin Durant, six, eleven, you're, you're asking the, you're acting like Kevin Durant. Ain't even in the compensation. Look, Brian doesn't have offensive skills that Kevin Durant. Often incorrect Kevin Durant doesn't have the skills LeBron. Offense. Offense is much more scoring. Now. Curl Malone was unstoppable going to the basket. What was he about to sixty? Right? That's what I brought it. But he passes like. From outside talking to you about this? No more ignorant. I'm going to talk about it. Talk to your earlier point. You want a couple of chips now and I could see him wanting. He took all that criticism for joining the super team and move on be the man in a big market. Thanks for listening. If you're a smoker, you know, switching isn't easy. You've tried vapes and e cigs. They just didn't deliver the satisfaction you expected, but jewel is different. It's not an e cigarette. It's vapor product that actually satisfies plus jewelers simple to use and there's no cigarette ash and no lingering odor as a smoker. You expect a certain nicotine experience, right jewel delivers give Julie. Try check o. j. u. l. dot com. Slash sports switch and be satisfied. Yes, you can't do both warning this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Needs no introduction here to promote his new movie night school with Tich theaters on Friday is the one and only Kevin Hart. Yes. Yeah. Listen, listen, you pack in Rina's and movie theaters everyone all that up and you still need applause. Why I'm used to to to ovation of us to. Yeah, alright. K. heart go gator. I love him. You be a used to. It was want they requiring it is another a sense of securities. It's not insecure that about Philadelphia's that about Philadelphia. I'm just saying, I'm just wondering where custom to two different things you're accustomed to negatively. Not me. I'm to positively positive responses. I'm accustomed to loving environment. When I step here, there's a cloud is always a cloud over here. You create that cloud me. You bring net stormy cloud is a really negative dark cloud bring sunshine. We try best and shine. I did watch. They try to best to hit you positively. I know. But Stephen, this would have no dog bark. Barbara, Clough rain thunder. Negative. I come here with the different energy man, and I wanna tell you brother, your special, you special. You're going to be some body. Okay. I'm gonna be cloudy. I'm getting there. It is getting positively man. I'm good move. I'm gonna positive. Move way. He flip the script on you there with the insecurity. He turned it right back to, you know, I get you gallery. I got it. I got it. He reality with their thoughts, Stephen positive, understand how you feel. And I mean after all, you know, you suffered for so long, you know which it's just city just failing to win a championship in now to the eagles finally want us for the first time in history. So you know, you sit in this sticking out your chest, which chess? Well, you know, what is it about the good thing. About time is that it waits for no one, but when your time comes, that's alternately when it was supposed to be there as a young child? Yes, I did stuff as a guy that was a teenager. He's got went through high school. Yeah, did suffer. We didn't have great years, but as a grown man, the now has a family. The now has a family that watches him embrace sports the way too he does. I get to celebrate and I get to do it with my kids. See, I would have been celebrating with who I didn't have nobody to celebrate with. I didn't have the platform that I have now. I didn't have the things that I had to embrace this type of love that my city is getting. But now I do so what am I able to do? Go to my city and give back. That's right. The economy is up. You know why? Because sports is up when we win, people come the Philadelphia people want to be there. So now I take my my likeness. Embrace that and enhance the coming to Philadelphia is it messed up? He wrote in Philly for seventeen years, some hours years. He's not taking taking. Any joy in there. Avow worshippers will win this man covered sports there. What was that. What was that? What some of the worst years if Philadelphia you, you mean when the seventy Sixers went to the finals and Alan absence of them there in two thousand one, when with with him and Vince Carter going back and forth drop a fifty on one another. And then they went against big dog at reality and Sam Casella in the conference finals and went to the finals against shack and Coby. When I told you, hey, I get you one, you'd be then all when the eagle, which, again, championship game saves what she said. Again, you said a our. What gets you one a is going to get you one one game Connecticut gets negative said they would have gets wet negative. You didn't say, has a possibility coming to and one of the champions because I knew that wasn't going 'cause you're negative. Hence the jewel you took our city down you lesson that we wore black uniforms to try to protect ourselves from you, you. We won't red and white uniforms and blue for the longest what Stephen a Smith started to talk basketball. We had to go to. Black? Why? Because you did that you are cloud. You're sucking the life out of me right now? I can barely. I can barely be here. Do you realize that the greatest success that the Philadelphia seventy Sixers had since the eighties was when I was covering it was when I had a conversation with teammates from Philadelphia remembered young age, and I'm talking. Me doc, Charles. We all had a talking lack room and I said, I want the most for a city and I want the most you guys those guys looked me in is and they said, we will do our best because we see that you bleed brotherly love, but that was nineteen. Ninety-three was nineteen Eighty-three house. Five. That's right. I five years. I'm very good friend out saying to you since that time. The greatest success that Philadelphia had was when I was covering the teams. You know what Stephen tomato tomato, letting go back and forth about this all the time right now we wanna super SuperBowl. Did you cover that? Yes. You in Philadelphia covers not in Philadelphia. I say it again. No, I wasn't. I was at the Super Bowl. Where what was the mentoring actually going to air with you? And you had mistakenly thought? I picked New England when I picked the eagles to winter to bowl because you're negative, what's the kind of things he used to write in the Philadelphia Inquirer, like what you pay things? I cry reading. Some of those things I cried Matt. I'm an emotional man. I know that those those are things that I've read about my city until this day affect me. That you did what you wrote, why are you lying? He wrote those things eagles don't have wings. You wrote those say, why don't they just cook them? You said those things. How did you find that you said the time ago? I wrote. Probably love should be step brothers and sisters. They don't love each other. You said that I did say that you said on those things about my city. I didn't know you knew that now we are flying. Eagles flat last time I saw you. It wasn't at the Super Bowl. It wasn't. It was at the playoffs with the Sixers against Boston. What I was. There was a bittersweet moment with that me. I wasn't in Philadelphia, then it was that me I wasn't there. Smarts Super Bowl, too. Yeah, but you are associated with the downfall of my team and attempt moment fuzz the I understood we were young. Yeah, we went up against the team, had a little more confidence in that rose to the occasion could shoot better defend better. Okay. I'm not going to say negative. Negative at Cyrano? No, they don't come into the series as a good shooting basketball. Shooting team. We were great, but they made you put the ball on the floor. You can shoot, which is fine. We learned from those mistakes that not negative things. He's just fact the negative. They're very, you know, I even said I even said maybe LeBron would be a good fit Philadelphia and he was just all over it. No. No-one said he would have been a benefit. He would have been a better fit in LA. Almost through this water in your face almost grabbed his Cup in chucked at you. You know why? Because we had a shot at getting Brian. Yes, we did. He did. Yes, he was lying. He was line. Going from Cleveland. I'm going to do it a stake in cheese steak joint that I'm building offered him net. We talked about no to pizza. Well, yeah. By the way I lost out on that. You're heading opportunities cashing. I said it was stupid, they'll way is gonna work Brian dumped. That's right. Well, it turns out he was right, okay. I was wrong. That's a Money Train at definitely left. My house isn't okay. That's neither here, nor they believe me neither here. No blame me. Here's what I do want you to understand. Let's just talk basketball. Yes. If you want to talk basketball, you wanna talk possibilities are possibilities are very high at us winning in these very, very high. Okay. At thank Marquel is gonna come back and shock people. Not think Ben's going gonna come back with the twelve fourteen foot of that's going to shock everybody. Well, he does that when bin does that, we're now looking at it for Phil basketball team that can play everybody because now we're really matchup problems. We weren't a match up problem because they started to close in when they realize that shooting wasn't with, it should be. That's all we lost that series, and that's fine. Won't be the same this year, but you knew that going into the series yet. You were bloviating about it. Sticking out chest talking about, how would you say I said, you were bloviate. The hell. Does that mean Stephen. For zoo. When we say, what did you say you didn't cop economy at women? What did you say? I didn't know such thing. That would have been a complimentary called you? What did you say to me? Stephen anything, but the hell gate, it mean me somebody give me. I'm still trying to figure it out Jesus Christ. I'm stumbled. It can talk about my words. What about his mats? Mats words are are great words because they're said in context where you can figure them use propagates. They use probably you just things out things. Everyone. You got to be sustained and MAC and Matt tumbled. There's no way that you can just stick you think is worse. It don't even go over to say, honestly, it said it said because the way you dress the way you talk doesn't go together. It doesn't go to get. Yeah, it's true. Bloviate you should talk about God all the time. 'cause you just like a past. I can't say because the law stay in his feet, he'll that would more or less. I just saved hundreds of dollars by switching to Geico. I'm as happy as a clam disclaimer. Geico cannot guarantee. You will be as happy as a clam on the Geico legal team cannot accurately verify claims even experience the complex human, emotional state, known as happiness as an invertebrate. Mollusks living have submerged on the ocean floor with no arms legs or wireless access. What's there to be happy about a clams. All like all. I'm so happy. I didn't get turned into New England clam chowder today pronounced regionally us Toda tall. Aw. Oh, that's so fun to say. What were we talking about? Again, Geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. Not had the same. That was not good, never be. I'm not trying to be, of course, an amateur compared to him. At least I'm a truth teller. And now you've got everybody is social media talking about how just like a pass. Gets you for that. That they wanted to bring out a hot chair. I said, no, because I got love for my brother and utilize sit there. Television doesn't that. He's saying that passers jets bet. I never said passers just bad. I said, you dress like a pass. Stay in about pastors. What are you saying about has to try and get me. You try and give me trouble. Why don't we get to the root of the. With the low. All words, and is the plan on conversation. And that's really what I'm not going there. I said you dress like a passenger, not necessarily a bad thing unless you think it is. I think you'd think negative because the passes I know he was trying to. Well, we play a little gases sentence. I need your help. You ask the congregation of this. Okay. Can pass. Church close. Okay. If Kevin Hart was making up a movie character for Stephen, a Smith that characters main attribute would be what would be to say? Yes, Lord and take a napkin on pocket and dab his mouth. 'cause he spits when he talks? Yes, Lord. Law? Yes. One more for you than the guys can get hasta, speedy pal. If Kevin. Appro sports team in Philadelphia, and the people he'd have in the owners. Luxury box would be ho- how many people are going to have as many as you want your what myself. Okay. This amazing, beautiful woman call my wife. Oh my God. I have to put this amazing little girl called my daughter, heaven. Oh, my son Hendrix and my other son Kenzo and I would close the door and block it out because that's Kevin Hart's, happy place. I don't need anybody else in my box. I like it. That's all I got in my box. Yes, no law, I don't want from Philly. My. My spirit is in my kids since they're technically from Philadelphia. We embrace the eagles in my household trust. They don't have a place in, let's check it. So you know, cowboy fans of your house at do not have to make sure it is hope for you after all. I would never have a cowboy here. Let's talk posted for bowl. Let's talk how you feel about it because you live in LA. The Rams are really good. There's a great quarterback situation. You're squads a little banged. Does a great last year too. So that's like they didn't look great for a period of time this year. Getting a little defensive, getting defensive. Making when I wanted to be aware that he's saying, hey, she's upset. That's where it costs someone's got hurt. Listen, you know, they can't go back again. That's what this is. Oh, no, it's too hard. They're not. They're not going back again. See that cloud that cloud just float over there. Little dark, negative l'amitie did that little dark. Negative clouds is go where you all my God. Here's the sad part. The sad part is that doubters are here to be proven wrong, doubters doubt because that's all they can do. We're in a position to do what we already know we are capable of doing, which is repeat and when that's done, the eagles will fly. Again, all we're going to do is have a couple of grimy gains, but we'll still get the w. those are the ones that you want at this point in the. So if the eagles and the Rams playing the NFC championship game, is that win win for you or it's definitely eagles. You rooting against the rent. Listen, listen, ama- eagles fan forever. Okay. Granted, that's. It's just a, it's a touchy subject because that's what Carson things happening. And I don't even wanna talk about it because I'm not jinxing situation, but we have unfinished business to do, and that's a game that we welcome that we want. But I also want you to understand where not playing bad football. We're playing good football. We're winning two and one we go into Tennessee is we will be three in wine that's a winning record, not a Rams on fire, go, dude, you got to do, but they were own fire last year. It was one of the NBA champion this year. I don't see nobody beating Golden State unless unless unless Houston puts one more piece puzzles or you're not even picking Philadelphia seventy Sixers, is that correct? I'm being realistic. You said championship Boston now shot. So in other words, you get to be realistic and doubt everybody else other than the pick that you may. That's realistic. She said, do we have a chance to repeat? I do it. I'm negative. She said to repeat, I'm just saying and this season I would love to see my Sixers get to the Eastern Conference doors because you'd love to see them get there even though you doubt that they will. You're not. Negatives at realistic, but I'm being never doubted that we'll get to the east comes finals. Do we have the pizza puzzle that are there to be a team like the Golden State Warriors right now? No, not fully. We still need to add another piece about about Boston, Jimmy Butler. It'll be a great piece. Jimmy Butler remains. We agreed vitamin to your luxury box on my God to get him to come to the Sixers. Of course what he said. He wanted to be out of Minnesota. How come you haven't called them, and that's it. How do you know I wasn't with Jimmy Butler in parachuting jump shots and working out what? Because Jimmy Butler didn't go to the gym because you say no to that. You said you retired. You haven't had a chance to do my set in Paris. This is what you're saying. I'm not coming from. You don't know when I was gonna say I got connections, I got relationships at work things the way I want. How do you know? I don't have a GM position own the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. How do you know this whole thing here isn't a play employ to simply get Jimmy's attention to make me get him, do what I want him to do. You don't know what my plan is. All you are is a pawn in the scheme. That's right. This is my game and you just plan it. So since you GM so you cool with brand, bring your coach. I'm not on. I'm the problem. You're cool. We've been Simmons not having a jump shot yet. Ben Simmons is coming back prepared to change the things that he saw that were flawed and his game. You have no problem with that because there's going to be a superstar thing. I always not going to be is a superstar. Don't Winston going to go into his going ki-be as not what superstar. Excuse me, what he's a superstar. What level would you put LeBron k. d. Anthony Davis landed, who will ever would you put them more Russell? Westbrook enough is what level would you made that morning? You're not the same. When you say Superstock would then what other little name players? What levels higher than that, how many people make an all star team? So what how many people making all twelve hundred team bro? How many total as twenty rook how many NBA teams order. So we're support. I'm asking a question thirty what's point and you say only twenty four players play an all star team. What are those players considered to be the Allstars superstar it again. All star. Okay. Stars positive, like your movie because I need to laugh and it's coming out Friday need to laugh. I need to laugh phone, negative, beggary. I'm here because Tiffany beat you Dan. That's what I'm laughing about. What Tiffany haddish is doing is domino. She's great job at delivering comedy at the highest level teaming up with Tiffany was a must do now that I am a producer, yes. I said it a partner. I'm elevating my game in Hollywood because I'm partnering with the studio few star because maybe Stephen eight doesn't think she's is that she uses. She is. She's she's special. She is without quest. She is a star. She does a great job in his moving. This is a movie that people need to see you notice about it's a movie about second chances you can relate to this. He can relate to this because some people don't get it right the first time, like when you're in Philadelphia, you covered us in such a negative manner, and then you moved and got it right. The second time, you know what you did. You corrected the mistakes that you made a. You almost became a better person, but you still have more more times as you can go back. So in this movie, it embraces second chances in embraces. People want, you know what? It's okay with me being myself and going out and communicating and getting people to understand me and help me. My character has to get help. I had to get my GD to basically move forward in life and to do that a band together with a group of misfits, almost like you had to do this is a movie, honestly, that was written on your story. If you really watch it closely, you'd wanna relate to this. How can we help him? You can't be more positive. You can't help himself. I picture. Pitcher, Steve night, sitting on a hard food time with a bowl, Kraft, macaroni and cheese. One of those hard cups of juice. That's just frozen his hand himself by himself. Controlled. It doesn't work because the buttons of beat down because he pushes so hard on 'em. He's got go smack TV every once in a while shoe stupid TV, and goes back and just him in that bowl. And it's like a like a fort, but the middle two pieces aren't there. So the macaroni falls out when he scoops it. So he never really gets a full bowl like a full bike. She's gonna take someone his hand. It's just a sad sight and he's in a dark because he only has one lightbulb, but it doesn't light up the whole room again a corner. And like if you go there, you can only see a piece of his eye when he sticks out. One of those where we're taking. Don't you ever see those tank? Top undershirt don't set one. They're loose. Pulled on it so much that underwear don't fit this news piece in. Let's just droopy in just walks around as is the doorway or want you don't know nothing about sports, everybody, everybody that comes canes. They love him. Mr Smith, you just want to make sure you're okay. You don't think LeBron James, you want to talk about sports now, five sir. Lakers be. They were win. Magic. Had the ball. Now, I know now on these damn players. So sensitive David talking to you, Kevin. Did that moment right there. We appreciate you. Legit with no more about the one. I'm going to see the movie inspite of you. You're gonna go see it favorite, where pants and a shirt. Rolling along.
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It's been a few weeks for all of us had a great time on the road in Dallas New Orleans Blue Nile when the great jazz clubs and all America second straight year bringing in the house down there. If you still fall fans along the way, it was nice shouting out Griffin. I think it was we've been Griffith met him in New Orleans guy, by the way, if I'm walking gales my name, generally just can't walk him kind of wave as I stop at a dime. Like, let's talk movies. Like, what do you think of in defensive give me some feedback? What do you think of every man? So I'll say, I'm not then San Jose. I actually met a guy who was listen get picture. Okay. Then he's like, I want to talk to the file I have some ideas for the podcast. Listen, I I'm surprised as anybody sin fans are everywhere. So you're like walking in Dallas, you're in Dealey plaza. There's exit on the street, you're on the. Grassy knoll and people were like, hey, I reformed awful movie. Dutta the year. We're going to deal milk duds. Yeah. Dealey plaza. We'll get into that a second. I'm gonna watch JFK again. When's the last time you watch K probably five years ago back into the left so relatively recent? Okay. I'm gonna watch again that Emmett Seinfeld episode. I think both all the time as always checking in a I items please give us a review, I rake my movies at a four police we do those five stars. That's actually, very important Louise's cornet our bosses to meet with me, and Dan and Ricky and apparently going to go over apple analytics assertively, I'm imploring all of you write reviews right now. Give us five stars. Do we can't? Because now we're the bosses are onto us. Okay. So they're gonna start giving his data. So I need all of you to step it up, Dan. I question of your holiday season know, your father, despises bad. Santa. Was there any at least coursing dad, but at least your brothers. Did you guys watch there? We did not you. Remember, it ended Stanford family movie night was the original bad Santa. We did not watch it this year. No. Is there a movie for the six of you that you can all watch together their staple miracle on thirty four from nothing re. Really we used to our siblings. We used to be trivial pursuit on Christmas morning. And I'm sitting there trying to watch like the NBA. It didn't happen this year either. I think we're all getting old. But says you get older you just get out of the hell. Yeah. Everybody's over thirty now. So here's your ties, let's move on passports celebrated his Christmas middle of December a little bit early for Ricky. But still got it done, Ohio. Yeah. That's generally how it goes. The last eight years have been up here. Fly back a week or two before. And we do it. And it's it's become our tradition as you told me with the grossing movie season and your dentist you've been grinding you grind your teeth Uber grinding with the movie season. So the good news is past are gonna give you our top ten to Keith law. Keith ause text me if you released your top ten in like, no, I've just been on the road have been busy. I went on your top ten and by the way, he's not gonna like my top ten because he he's been tweeting. He hated green book. I knew he liked burning. A lot of sure I got doing. He liked. I. He's the type that would've loved Roma. Absolutely. And before we get lodging reviews because appeal of saw my tweets for the Golden Globes, isn't absolute farce. I mean bohemian rhapsody winning best dramatic. I can't even say it with a straight face. Not that I can't really for Vegas odds. But just to give perspective Vegas because those guys are always smart in the desert. They had at the worst odds to win best picture like what that's not gonna win a stars Brome as a heavy favorite. Then it Bill streak at talk. Then black klansman then Black Panther bohemian rhapsody one which for those are one why so appalled. Listen, it's a perfectly acceptable music bio-pic. It's also perfectly disposable and perfectly forgettable, and it should not be winning best picture of the Golden Globes. I think Ricky nail that in his original review Robbie mocks fantastic. Again. I don't know if I give him best actor I'd give his teeth best supporting actor. I don't my him best actor I would have voted for Bali Cooper or Ethan course was not nominated another story. But Roddy mock wins fide, but best picture like, are you kidding? That's the cool. The worst gulping low best pictures and recent memo. And this is an organization that was nominated the Martian. The Matt Damon space opera for best comedy or musical. So anybody who says out of the gloves of real impact? No the tweets I got to win best picture. No. But my Novachannel nation, which is staggering enough at the Oscars. If it gets nominated for best picture, by the way, Oscar nominations coming January twenty second. So look ahead to all of that. I'll be the critics choice awards the Sunday. I believe the favorite is going to do the best of all the films are critics love it Teluk for tha that critics choice awards. We'll get into that next week. Of course and found some good stories. There will be meeting Ben lines for my. Plus, I'm taking max Breda's friend of Sinophile. So we're not getting specific instructions you're not supposed to get listen if Vigo Mortenson is at your table, and that's what to get a selfie. I'm sure max will blow by all those rules never be invited back again. But I'm one of the critics will be at the critics choice awards. I mean, I just hope Charlene Darren is personal friend of max Broncos. Absolutely the stories that come flying lines told me 'cause so at each table, it's in Santa Monica. Barker hangar flying in sun and flying back that night. He goes at each table. You have a bunch of film critic slumps Eddie, and then you get at least one star table. So I said I have like mersal table a guy. Curses your boy hanging on night or it could be a phones of Koran and I'm like Romo is interesting. So I will definitely have lots of stories about that. I can't wait to talk to a couple of guys Matt Zoller sites. Allen CEPA wall. They wrote the soprano sessions at the twentieth. Anniversary the sopranos, they're actually hosting sopranos. Twenty last night. They had a reunion in New York. Matt actually hosted the panel and CEPA was tweeting about some she'll have good stories from last night. And I read the entire book foreign seventy one pages. It's awesome. If you're sopranos fans, so we'll ask them about that. Welcome back to the second time actor Kevin Hart last, and we were happy to have him here in studio in Bristol Connecticut today. He's busy promoting his new film, the upside, which is in theaters today, I've seen it a really enjoyed it. Kevin, first and foremost, it's a remake which I didn't realize until after seeing the film. Did you watch the original first or you want to just focus on this script? And this film from Neil burger, no very aware of them. Of course, getting getting a role I wanted to educate myself cell phone. So I wouldn't watch every thrown away amazing movie. And you know, when reading our script realizing that we ended up paternity to kinda modernize it and deal with some of the times today. So it was a it was a great advocate for me was one of jumped at your playing a life auxiliary coach to a quadriplegic millionaire who is played by Bryan, Cranston. It's based on a true story comes did you seek out the person was based just talk. Two other life, agility coaches to try to get some of the movements down or just what it's like working with somebody who was a quadriplegic quit. We had to go and a lot of calm with with the true life in just kind of getting understanding of the job and how much went into the job. And I think the the best thing about it was just having a high level spec for the the individuals that do it for a living. You know, because a lot goes into it. And I think being there for the patient that dealing with quadriplegic, and if he's dealing with most amazing because they're they're on a personal level and personable level. You know, they're keeping those their high and devoting all the time out their day to make sure that someone has every in anything they need. I think it's an amazing position. The best part this films. You really get to show off your dramatic shop should playing a former inmate whose trying to reconcile with his son. He's still with a strange marriage. He's going to do Chow support. What he's been negligent on was that the primary of. Deal for you. Kevin to do a movie where listen, there's definitely some humor in there. And you got a great chemistry. Bryan, cranston. You really get to show your dramatic chops this time, of course, you know. I think I think that right now the the best thing in the world for me is saying I'm evolving in my craft, and you know, to show that to put that on display my fan base to see and understand it. It's a month. So to take that first Evan to dramatic world of acting. If some that I welcome. And I think like this would be the first of many more, you know. That's awesome news, Bryan, cranston's, one of my favorite actors. Sure your huge fan of his as well. You guys have real genuine chemistry in this film. That's the kind of stuff you can't fake. I'm sure offscreen you've got some stories as well. What was it like working with Brian blank ram into the best act of kind of worked with he's even real? You know, I mean, the guy is in in truly a says being I mean, the man, you know, you talking about the father for mouth minimum. Middle went onto do so many other things and attacked in so many different of personalities and characters just to to you couldn't even see a believe that he would be able to do from where he came from. So two to watch him embrace work level. Does is definitely a treat is something that I think is the dope thing ever to say that I I worked winning personally, I got to I got to work with Bryan, Cranston, and the coal Kidman. And I was I was told until with him. And I think the my game was elevated because of their background, and because of how prepared they were and how much I I I put so much pressure on myself coming into it because I didn't wanna be unprepared. I wanted to make sure that I was well versed in and well print so so that was never the problem or or ever the delay. And I think it has made a great days that quitted yourself. Well, you definitely hung in there with them and show that you're acting chops was Cranston, a method actor was he wa-? Walking around on set was trying to really kind of inform playing a quadriplegic and do the true-to-life as possible. Say it again say against we was he being a method actor like was he trying to as if channel being a quadriplegic all the time. Yeah. They're really really try. Well, I won't say try. He did you know, Brian said the whole time that you know, he just wanted to relax as much as possible and not be tense and literally only use his faith. And and you know, he shed his body down. Then I mean, you know, how moving in and out of that chair. He wasn't helping it was it was me. He was giving me dead weight every single time. There was not a there was not one moment where he's portraying fill that that he tried to you know, I guess you could say use limbs moments where he possibly could have to help me insert times in things getting in and out of the bid taking in and out of that chair putting him in the car. That's all stuff that he literally put on me. He made sure that I was doing it. He wouldn't help me. Amazing. Male of the fact is that committed you mentioned a coke. You guys have a really good. Chemistry to fund refrain about baseball. She says you got three strikes and the one time she gives you strike, and you say come on to check swing and later on you, and Brian are talking about which money has the character. Phil. And you could you buy the Yankees is. No, you sort about the Mets. He goes. Oh, yeah. That's no problem. Well. Well. As a sports fan. Did you add that joke, or is that actually the script? 'cause I know you're actually that was actually well written in the script that was in the script that was in the script. And I think it was a one of my favorite lines. Because it's something that I mean, it shows how much money has the shot to baseball franchise. I thought it was really funny. I love hard at that. Would also there's a lot of great opera in the film. Kevin. And I will say this. It's major pieces of opera. I don't know what. But it is the opera that somebody might know as far as the major size. They want to ask your pretend to be a conductor, and you're staying play the aria the Queen of the night did this movie deepen your appreciation for opera music. I mean for me, you know, what? All right. I I'm not a opera fan. So so it made me respected because he had to use so much of it and using it, of course, you ask questions, and then you go search to get to knowledge, and I wasn't aware of Aretha Franklin's participation in in what she did. With with the the song. What is it Norman doing? What is it? Played at the end. You're right. We're the Queen actually sings opera all the name was she sang it. And just the story behind why? She had thing it how much time she had the prep Ford. You know, like, wow. And I was blown away by it. And then just some of the artists that we met on set that came in for the scene were filled with the party of the house, and they were thinking, I mean, it was it was it was something to see. It was really a lot of nice cars that Philip drive a few those which was your favorite car to drive, please don't tell me there's was a stunt driver. They like Kevin Hart drive me deadly for that was me, which was the nicest car the Ferrari, the Florida. The fry was a lot of fun and what type of fraud to be specific. We have a lot of car fans. I just wanna make sure I got the right one whatever the four nine nine, I believe. Okay. No the four nine Matt. That's getting it done, man. For. Just thinking about I love that preceded would silently to the comedians in cars getting coffee because that just when I think of cars, and you and comedy all kinda blends together, you know, what man is one of the best time that I've ever had talking to Jerry in that car. We had a great time. It's so natural, and you can tell the genuine chemistry the guys, and I think about obviously be huge star now with acting and this like I said, check out the upside people because this is a different side of Kevin Hart. But your comedy is so good like stand up. I've such respect for stamps. I think it's so hard to do and the craft which you did it and the years you put into it. You know, what I mean, they'll realize how many years you did this. It wasn't overnight sensation guys like you, Jerry, and Chris rock, and and there's so many out there. Do you think stand up is harder? Now, though like with just the amount of social media, and people are willing to criticize you guys, and it's become a PC environment. I'm just thinking Kevin back the day. Listen, Richard Pryor, George Carlin. Those guys were saying stuff that was offensive people too. That was kind of like why you went to the comedy club. 'cause you could laugh at stuff eating enjoys them. I feel like it's different. Now, how do you approach it? You know, I think that of course, it is. It is different. You know? I mean, it's different because of the the the the high insensitivity that we're there were all embracing today. You know, you forget that comedians comedians are the people who say what you think, you know, a lot of people think about stuff, but they never will comedians are the people that are both enough to say it and try to say through a man that would allow you to look at something joke at and sometimes that stuff can come off tasteful sometimes it can come off disrespectful. You know, aggressive, and if that if that is was the case back, then people were just go that's enough for me, and they wouldn't block that comic today is seeing people standing speak out on on a comedians approach to what they think is funny granted that's the gamble of comedy your gambling. Bling all the time. It's I think that the joke would be funny, and there's a chance that job may not be funny. If it isn't you go back to the drawn boarding, you try to figure out funny version of joke. Sometimes you win. Sometimes you lose that simple. You look at where comedies come from. The you look at where it's going. You have to ask yourself. What what is? Okay. Because now, you're you're putting coming in place to just be picked apart and poke that and if that is the case you'll see that your your alternately putting yourself and a lose lose situation as support of comedy. Because after picking it apart come off that man, these guys are soften and not even talking about anything. You know, what I mean, if it's one thing that you that you really have to look at if it's a crazy line that were towing. And I mean for me, it'll never FEC me because my dollar comedy is is based on me. My life. My spirit is ever going to talk about them. And I'm always gonna talk about it through the food. The perception that I've lived so I don't I don't have to be malicious or disrespectful, and you know, shown that in my fellow comedy over the past decade. That's the key man. Like in the past. You could just say was funny. I'm just trying to be entertaining. And now, you gotta go. Well, how many people my fending what what vein is this receive? And I think that would be incredibly frustrating. If I was just saying, my buddy, and I went to the comedy store in LA recently, and we were dying at this one guy and part of it was still funny. And by Bill Burr showed up at a know where he was amazing is because it's offensive because you're loud. It's like a safe space you can laugh at stuff here. And that doesn't mean that I agree with what's being said, it doesn't mean I support it. It's just funny. You know what? I mean in that moment, I'm gonna laugh, that's it. Even look into something very very easy over think, something and and look past the simplicity behind it. Automatically a joke is there with the intent to simply make you laugh not hurt not to affect that's the intent behind it. And like, I said sometimes you need a wrong. Sometimes you can that not be funny. Gotta figure it out and move on. It's decimal, but you are off and much much more funny than not funny gonna ask is ESPN broadcasters. Somebody's a big fan you work on your always the NBA celebrity all star game. Here's what he asked. You. I always do play by play for celebrity softball, which we always have on ESPN. So like in the last few years, you know, miles teller's played into Jacob's Simmons, Jamie, FOX is the last few years. What's it gonna take for you? Kevin Hart to plan a little bit celebrity softball, which they're gonna play. Oh, man. You know, what there's been talk about me doing ten days with some NBA teams because of my success in celebrity game. You know, they've been major contracts that have been offered to me. But I've turned them down getting, you know, I'm I'm almost forty years old, my knees aren't as strong. They used to be a main. My jump shot is definitely still leads to talked about worldwide. And of course, you know, talks of me being one of the best point guards ever do it talked about. But you know, it's otherwise said. Maybe it's time to hang it up and not go back. I don't wanna mess up my legacy. I built a great. I think you've proven that with basketball. But how about baseball? I want to see if you can take Jenny Finch deep. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to be able to see if you can do that in a baseball. Now baseball the different stores. Now, you put me out there. Now, we're talking now. Now, I may send a couple over the fence. Chance of that. That's good news, Terry crews. You know, what it athlete Terry crews? Is he struck out Kevin in celebrity softballs? I'm not I'm not saying it's it's easier harder than you think. But Terry crews struck out I know that wouldn't happen you I know you'd go now to me different two different levels of athletes. On the real deal. Lastly, I know you've talked on ad nauseam. We're not getting into this the authors. I know that you're not gonna host you've spoken more than enough about it. What I do want to know is this would you be open to hosting award shows in the future. Whatever they may be does that appeal to you at all. I mean, you know, I I can't say no, you know, there's definitely a change that that that could happen. It just it comes in time. And when the time make sense, I'll I'll step up to whatever. Okay. Jin fits with with the need at the time. You know, but it's just it's just embracing that moment when that moment comes the reason why loved to have your host the SP's. What do you think huge Phillies? Right six sports fan. You know, I'm a big sports fan. So I definitely will say never say never the F E always a fun watch. So to be a part of it could be you know, like I said, it's just all about the timing. Where are you gonna be watching eagles saints? This sunday. Philly gonna my guy when I tell you. I'm so excited in my room with a uniform on. That's why I'm watching the game. A Nick foles jersey perform more let your Cox uniform. Tell me what jersey are you wearing Cunningham Cunningham. Go back in the day. I love it, man. That's all day. Fly who fly? I love rebel cutting. Love the eagles. Love your work. The upside is in theaters makes you check out. Kevin Hart's terrific new movie. It's got a lot of funny moments. But a lot of drama as well, Bryan, Cranston to coal Kidman. Check it out now. Kevin. Thanks much coming on the fall, man. I really appreciate it. Thank you. Let's do some reviews I the mule. The storm old man becoming a drug mule to help out his granddaughter. It's effortless filmmaking from Clinton with something to be said for guys eight years old and acting directing this film, and it's always a joy to see him up there. Although I do have to wonder playing another octogenarian racist who has a troubled family life is he just playing himself at this point. Or is there something more to this? Having said that he's easy to go down is got plenty of good half a dozen one liners. My biggest issue is the final thirty minutes work. It's awfully hackneyed. If you've seen it. Your late bloomer is aligned that is sure to elicit groans as it did for me and the Stanley Tucci rule not nearly enough. Andy Garcia, okay? If any Garcia in the movie, let's go like, I love aiding Assia Ricky's in Israel. He's great. He's under much mcgary kidding, Danny Garcia. Also, my biggest with pass more. There's zero Sinatra in the movie I love Sinatra. I'm waiting for Clinton nursing and Audra. It is Dean Martin kick in the head who is singing. So my. Oh, my bed. I can't when Quincy gonna Sinatra like it was very good year. Let's go back. For the rat pack here, I'll give it to an app Maple Leafs. If you're like Clint Eastwood, you should definitely check it out. And if you don't like him, probably miss for you. But it was perfectly digestible the wife from director Bjorn wrong. I don't like to watch movies on flights as you guys know since I'm a elitist snob when it comes to that was primarily reading the soprano sessions book, but I take advantage. I think it was New Orleans to San Jose. And they had the wife go great knock this out hundred minutes. Joe is a Nobel prize winner. Played by Jonathan Pryce Joan is the dutiful wife accompanies him to the Nobel prize ceremony. But the film reveals secrets that she has to conceal throughout her life. Mainly the fact that she was probably a lot more responsible for husband success beyond just being a supportive wife and Christian Slater plays intrepid. Journalists I have not watched I robot. I'm aware of the fact he's made a comeback there. But I thought Slater was very good and a small role having said that it has predictable laughable ending all the closest fantastic. She's a woman who has been shut out all the noise career. And now filing needs to let loose Nick Faldo. Get one good, you know, Oscar tempting. At the end where she tells Joe she's had enough. But I'm gonna give it to police, by the way, Keith law in texting me think you saw forty movies this year. So he goes he had the wife at number forty that is your worst picture of the year. He said the I don't exactly why. Yes. Contempt for it. Maybe just found the story too cliche. But he hated goodness for Glenn Close. She either wins her first Oscar assume she has nominated or she sets the record for most nominations without winning an Oscar. So she's a winner. No matter what she's for six right now. Is that right? Yes. Yes. Seven automation. That's crazy. And you're right that globe win. I think makes things a little interesting. Although the movie, I don't I don't think many people have seen the film. So I don't know if enough academy members gonna go. Yeah. The white is really good. Or just hey, I love Glenn Close never won before on vote for and I don't want lady Gaga to Oscar. So take that and live your Komen with the Brits. Let's go with close next up. Hate you give from African American director, George Tillman junior. It's a young teen living in a poor mostly black neighborhood where she has lives and the wealthy mostly white prep school as she attends. She then witnesses a. Fatal shooting of childhood best friend by police officer. And then star Carter decides stand up a man list. Emberg is fantastic. She's actually up for critics choice award for best breakthrough actors. She's really good in the movie, it's a black female empowerment film. It's a social Justice film. I think it's great for you know, young adult audiences. So I'm going to give the hey Yuki of three my beliefs. If it's within that constructed they works very well. Now, the one four you're watching the San Jose cool. Little feeder in Palo Alto. They had to movies showing Mary Queen of Scots and attorneys gate which had to see for my boy Willem Dafoe it's directed by Julian Schnabel, it's a movie about a painter directed by painter. He also made that film diving bell and the butterfly not of seen it back in two thousand seven it's gorgeous rendered, but very depressing. It's colleague with Ben lines about silence. A great movie you never wanna watch. Again. That's how I felt about diving bell the butterfly. He also did Basquiat which good movie back in the mid nineties. It's a very artistic film beautifully photographed and innovative Defoe's playing Vincent Van Gogh and his final days at I liked the structure of it. Distorted lenses metro flex his mental deterioration. And it's also very sad film. There's some of these painters Van Gogh was destitute. It was desperate for companionship. And he's one of these guys was incredibly prolific with this was the last three months of his life. He cranked like seventy five paintings over that span. This is unbelievable. And yet somehow still didn't have a penny to his name, but default proofs while he's one of the great chameleons among leading men, you know, he's showcases craft Schnabel the director is a painter. So he taught women to fo the basics of painting. And I think it's perfectly believable as he's working the brushstrokes exactly at Harris's Pollock which is another movie I love, but I thought there was good humor and memorable musical scores. While I'm giving at attorneys three major leaves obviously very much for art house audiences to full has an outside chance of the best actor nomination. He's effort Critic's choice for best actor, but that's seven nominees. So the Oscars I think he may get left out. But obviously, I love the gun boy race from director. Joel Edgerton also stars in the film. I Lucas hedges plays the son of a southern preacher. Who's Russell Crowe and his wife, Nicole Kidman? Who sent to gay conversion camp, it's appointed coming of age drama, which showcases how devilish these places are that currently exist hedges sincere and a character the empathize with what I appreciate the most. They did not demonize the parents Kidman more quickly comes to answer sons calls of distress away from the camp. But I thought crow is very good. He plays a God fearing man who loves his son. But does have trouble reconciling the truth because he's falling what the bible says, which is that his sons lifestyle is unacceptable yet as I said, he does indeed a door his son. So I actually was pleased. The fact that did not demonize the parents Allthough. The story clearly sets up the fact that these gay conversion camps are riffing. The fact they even exist primarily in the south is scary. I'll give it to and a half Maple Leafs. Michelle small and a big fan, a simple favor director, Paul fake. Stephanie plays a widowed. Single mother. Wagner in Connecticut. Dan, static favorite, Anna, Kendrick, and Emily has a beautiful successful career loving family and invert favorite Blake. Lively. She was great in the shallows. She appears but her son is convinced that she's still alive. So lively wickedly acidic. She's got a half a dozen. Really funny lines very sharp, very, vulgar, Anna Kendrick plays woefully naive character. But the story to me at one too many plot with ends up being too ridiculous. I'm going to give it one and a half maple leaves that thought it had some promise of potential by so ludicrous by then I was rolling my eyes. Ricky Passmore saw Ricky would you think a simple favor? I thought it was intriguing. You said it it's like three movies trying to be one movie, and he doesn't really know where it's in. But between lively and Kendrick like they just elevate it to that next level where it is entertaining to me. Yeah. They story wise like it tries to be crime thriller tries to be kind of more like a Paul fake comedy. And then it just tries to be this extremely like hard core suspense film in the final act, and the fact that you're bouncing around all these Janas, it's you can't really settle into it. And it becomes a mess. But. When it comes to Kendrick lively just playing off each other and kendricks of evolution within her character as yeah. From that kind of waifish just. Connecticut. Single mother right through kind of a really dominant sexy. You know, kind of power trippy type of person. It's a very interesting arc- this year, take I think I gave it like to maybe two and a half just for them. But at the same time like I said plot wise, it's a mess if you're out of the actors, I would echo sediments definitely check it out. And lastly, the sisters brothers, which is an atmospheric western from Jacques ODI, art. It's eighteen fifty one and Charles and allies sisters our brothers, and assassins, they are played by what? Keane, Phoenix, and John C Reilly. They also made up with Jake Joel hall and amid and western about character and sibling loyalty is kind of sprawling revisionist. It's a French director who's making a road movie comedy kind of like what Ricks at about a simple favor in terms of mixing different genres. I think it totally worked a thought it was in search of a point. But the thing John rally was very good. He's eating his act is very good. He's in a miracle. Standing all which I haven't seen it which is about the laurel and hardy team, I believe for Golden Globe for that for best actor was up for musical comedy. But I didn't think John C rally was notable other than that. Let's you real fan of westerns. I would skip it. I'm going to give that one to me beliefs. Those review. Us to podcasts at seven movies last time six there's another seven four. So clearly, I need to get a life. Now, it's time for our top ten movies of the year. So I'm gonna fire through my ten again if you are a fan of the podcast. I'm sure you can guess what my list goes. And then dancing to give his Rick Passmore's. Well, an Ben lines with the lion's den is gonna pass along his list as well. So top ten films of two thousand and eighteen allow five Ottawa mentions. You can also do worst of Ricky told me via text he's not going to worship if he's going to those that just missed the Mark. So that sounds to me like honorable mention category. But regardless you get five hundred mentions you get a top him. Anyway, go in search of greatness, just for our boy, Ben lines excellent documentary, Wayne Gretzky, Jerry Rice, Palay a trio great sports figures about what makes them tick American Meam saw Tribeca again, Ben lines executive produced funny and surprising Marcus story, but a bunch of people who enjoy fifteen seconds of fame and yes, repack more. And I sat right behind Tommy Lee game night or the few successful comedies of the love. Jason bateman. Love the chemistry and him. Rachel mcadams. I think always used when comedy near lists like game at in their the insult, and it have a foreign film in there. I thought it would have Roma, but it's not gonna be that one. The insult is about religious tensions flaring in this Lebanese courtroom drama. I thought it was well executed by all NS, quiet place really want to sneak it on here. It's a horror movie with heart. I think it does signal the arrival of a major filmmaker John Krasinski beyond just being a very good actor and good performance also from his wife, Emily blunt as well should be known. If I was including TV movies as well. I would include Gary shandling, the great documentary jet appetite about him and the Robin Williams. Documentaries. Well, excluding those because those are TV number ten if Bill street could talk ravishingly beautiful from the artists that is Barry Jenkins clear, I portrait of criminal injustice while being socially achingly. Romantic number nine is Spiderman into the spider verse thrilling and on Daesh is a head trip has walls. Ajoy they'll get your Spidey. Senses. Tingling big upset my brother saw it. But didn't love I thought it was pretty good. Like, are you kidding? This should be your favorite movie the century. Well, it was pretty good. Look infusing time. Trump L A place result. He very understated reaction from him. I know desecrate eyes are bulging number eight is private life poignant drama from indie filmmaker Tamar Jenkins, featuring Kathryn Hahn and the great Paul giamati. It's smartly observed it's moving cringe-worthy humor an ending that is pure perfection. Number seven is can you ever? Forgive me. The best buddy tandem of the year Melissa McCarthy planned the miserable writer Lee, Israel and bone vault. Richard E grant entering into a union of criminality and deception a period piece of old New York. Times it's nasty. But the characters are always endearing number six is I man other telecom have been forgotten men damaged his ELS dazzling space opus has been ignored by most underwhelmed at the box office. But as a technical marvel also featuring intimate interior performances from Ryan Gosling and Claire Foy number five is green book. Sure, it's predictable and sanitize also undeniably uplifting and heartwarming toenail along and Don Shirley embodied by Vigo Mortenson, and they magnetic Mercia Ali props to Pete fairly director going against type of making all those great comedies along with his brother. Bobby Lek step number four is vice scathing satire from Adam McKay who gives the big short rip roaring performances from an all star cast as very definitive point of view. And it is like I said scandalous and scathing number three gotta get one documentary on there. It's the love me when I'm dead, a rousing celebration of true autour, cinematic giant Orson Welles Morgan Neville may win an Oscar for the fact he directed the. Mr. Rogers documentary won't you be my neighbor. But as this was his best work of the year. It's playful mischievous and profound chock full of anecdotes Cinna files will devour from those who knew and love Orson like no other. He was grandiose and verbose number two is first reformed Paul Schrader special man on the edge of madness driven. By obsession, a clear Ammash to diary of a country premium Robert persona has evocative narration stark direction beautifully shot and eastern hawk is in keeping with a religious theme. A revelation and number war. One is black klansman throwing return to form for Spike Lee. Six words, you said when Jordan Peele had to ask him to make the film black man infiltrates KKK? It's funny and furious. And it's a Spike Lee specialty also has an incendiary ending. Those are my top ten films of the year. And let's give the worst before. Dan, says it gives his best and worst disobedience from Rachel vise. Rachel mcadams. It's pointless and tedious sorry to bother while an apology. Will be more than that, howling unfunny giant mess. Absurd. And trying way too hard bow to BUSTER Scruggs, a colossal waste, the Cohn brothers talent and mid-nineties utterly contemptible characters. It's based apparently on Jonah Hill's childhood if that's the case, I feel sorry for upbringing jonelle. Whoa. What? Well, we got daddy. All right. I mean, some of the movies. I have the same years are a lot tighter than mine. So I'll try to tighten them up as we go first UCLA movies than I do, obviously. So the first one that I haven't seen. I could even consider them. I want to see these movies. They obviously won't be in the top ten haven't seen the favorite siemian rhapsody feels streak at talk or free solo which I feel like I would like which is weird kinda talked Alex Holland or Honolulu ever it is. Yeah. Connor show. One of our top executives. Here course, he was part of the team that won the documentary for ESPN. But oh, Jay Wright. I said favorite documents. The first thing I asked him he positive, Mr. Rogers. He goes, I wasn't crazy about it. I say I told you he goes free solo because I think it's the best talk. Mention the look at you meeting with the top. Exects? Wow. All right. We're gotta sit in the huddle down. I guess so number ten moving right along moving number ten Spiderman into the spider verse says Davidson's of the Atlantic put it the latest entry and fully saturated John ra- that somehow through sheer creative gumption does something new. We didn't need another Spiderman movie by any means. But this animated feature is different while getting back to spider-man's roots as a comic book loaded cast live Schreiber leaf Schreiber, nNcholas cage Leah. Marshall, Ali Halley Seinfeld. Funny and heartwarming number nine green book a reverse driving mistakes. He rode movie based on a true story that explores identity friendship and the racial dynamics of the south in the nineteen sixties Marshall elite to for to their Vigo Mortenson, and Linda Cartolini my girl deliver solid performances in this drama directed by Peter fairly there are some highly emotional scenes, but other moments that felt over the top a repeat viewing volt this film in either direction on the you call it campus. Clearly, you didn't see enough. It was this. This is a soft number Nuys off nine that's just friends of the podcast Vigo Mortenson, and my her show Ali getting some love number eight a quiet place if you liked bird box, then you'll love quiet place, which is its twin movie a real term, which describes films about similar topics that come out around the same time other examples include rookie of the year and little big league showgirls striptease and from this year, beautiful boy, and Ben is back. I love this collective mix. Number seven three identical strangers a documentary from the truth is stranger than fiction catalog three college age men. Learn their triplets who were separated at birth their stories sweeps the nation, but things turn dark as they investigate the circumstances around their separation number six Black Panther. It's a superb superhero movie that was propelled by tapping into the guys of America. Michael Jordan, stands out among a stellar cast as the villain this film shouldn't win best picture, but it's cultural resonance makes it worthy of a nomination. Hell the academy nearly created a new category based on the heels of its success. Number five star is born. It's it's an over hyped remake that I found to be a little disappointing and underwhelming. But it features incredible performances by its three lead characters amazing music and of all the films on this list. It's the one eyed most want to watch again, this is shocking number five you called it underwhelming at the time and a little disppointing double. Down on those terms swayed by people number four vice although I'm a huge fan. Some of director Adam McKay, stylistic choices weren't for me. But this film about former Vice President Dick Cheney successfully blurs the line between bio pic documentary and satire, the film is informative humorous and at times outrageous, Christian bale, once again proves that he is one of the best actors on the earth, Amy Adams, demonstrates her ability to skew older and more bitchy and Steve Carell next his portrayal of Donald Rumsfeld out of the park. It should put that blurb of Avia Adams crew. I honestly the way I felt is that this is her she can play older characters. Like, we saw her onto the scene when she was very young and catch-me-if-you-can. And now, she skewing way older. It reminded me of you. Remember Jodi foster in. Inside man with Denzel. Yes. Very bitchy. And Amy Adams has some of this has changed number three black klansman. A Spike Lee joint film as wildly funny. Hard to believe in unfortunately, relevant. Spike Lee's on thick at the end. But he's not wrong to do. So Adam driver in over grace shine in supporting roles number two eighth grade. I'm all ringwald the Queen of coming of age films in the nineteen eighties tweeted, the Bo Burnham's film is quote, the best movie about adolescence I've seen in a long time maybe ever, she's right. It deserves to be in the conversation. And I'm a sucker for films about teenage angst. Lest you have forgotten about my crusading for lady bird at this time last year. Not only did this movie capture the awkward uneasiness that most of us go through middle school. It also expertly incorporated, the intricacies. Social media adds to the mix eighth grade is laugh out loud. Funny heartbreaking up lifting cute timely and for anyone that scene. It. Gucci. Number one, we go first man in late, December, a senior entertainment writer for Uproxx tweeted quote in five years, everyone will realize I man is a masterpiece and say stuff like why didn't this get more awards attention? I am similarly perplexed about why this film hasn't garnered much in the way of awards, maybe some of it is due to the Republican backlash about how the film doesn't show. The planting of the American flag on the moon, but one that's ridiculous. Critique because the film is littered with American flags including the one on the on the moon. They just don't show the actual planning of it. And to Hollywood is filled with liberal elites either way, I'm in the tank for Shas, Ellen Gosling. It's a lot easier to portray dynamic character with vices and flaws than it is to convey, internal anguish. And that's what Gosling does in his portrayal of Neil Armstrong. Most people my age about how the space race ended. But few of us know about the journey the casualties geopolitical pressure in how history sometimes chooses our heroes. I man is a story about American exceptional. That connected with me emotionally. And in some ways made me want to have a daughter, and it is the clear best film of twenty eighteen well done well written as always let's go through this Spiderman green book, quiet place. Three identical strangers. Black Panther stars born vice black klansman eighth grade. I man nail that the invention bird box. Should I see where it's on Netflix ever, very mixed reviews? It's not a complete waste of your time. If I have a minute the ending, you're not gonna love, but it's Jerboa Malkovich. And Sandra Bill, let's talk a little more advice. You said you weren't crazy. But some of the stylistic choices what was that? I don't wanna give anything away. But there are some things he does like four example when he did the big short. Yeah. He's trying to explain complex things and easy ways. Like he had Huddah ways. He breaks the fourth wall a lot which I don't like he had celebrities like explain stuff. So he does stuff in this movie. It's hard to say things of giving away spoilers. We can talk later one of my favorite moments of the years. What happens at the forty three minute. Mark Rick, and that's one of those. That was hilarious the floor. Oh, yeah. It's incredible. It's fun. Joe tests, his daughter got the movie like the credits are going Devon who works on. Golic and wingo said old people were in the theaters in your they got up and thought it was. Yeah. This is a forty three minute movie. Like, are you kidding? What'd you think? Carell is Rumsfeld awesome. Right. Uncanny loss just like him and cursing veiled does not get enough credit for what he doesn't natural. But yeah, Carell was great and eighth grade. So I liked it a lot. We've always had Bo Burnham the pod love him Claire Atkins big fan of it. Leme hated it. Of course, front of the podcast. What you loved adolescence angst. I love the at the end with dad's talking to remember we talked to Boba that we'll surprise yet at that. Hi there. I don't know for some reason that that time here connects and they also forgot to do my honorable mentions. Worst of is going to be Roma in first reformed. I can't think thrillers. Apologies to is the way I had an honorable mentions. I'll just rip through vendors of Infinity war game night. Ben is back set it up and crazy, rich Asians. Logic gave show to game as well comedy in there. That's one of those old school calms. You could enjoy what was the third from vendors. I agree was pretty good with vans back. Yeah. I haven't seen it. You think? It's good. It's okay. You know, other people will connect with it more than I but emotional Julia Roberts, Lucas hedges. Is he what is going is there? No one else that can act his age. He gets every damn. I mean, I know it's father directed that film. But he's in another one you talked about. Yeah. He was in boy races. Well, yeah. Hedges what other actor was dominating this age? Like is maybe Shalam Timothy showman is really getting beautiful boy, I guess like twenty years ago who was little you're. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right. I guess it would be one of those. Maybe maybe Corey. Hey, McCurry, fellow those guys. All right bettas back in Burbach can Adami list. Rick passmore. What are we got? So like, Ben or like, Dan, I haven't seen as many movies as you have. So some of the ones that are up for consideration that I haven't got to yet a private war, can you ever forgive me? I man free solo if streak talk, but I am seeing that on Friday it gets released here in plain Ville. So I will be seeing that Roma. Just having got the down and watch it. You don't waste your time. I I'm gonna searching shoplifters the kindergarten teacher from Maggie. Jalen hall, bed lines has that this type two. Charlie's thrown Jason Reitman. I missed the boat when it came out in may really wanted to see it that's going to become back at some point tally was in the plane. But I want to keep doing the sopranos bucket was an option. Go ahead. Okay. What was the one third last one? He just said shoplifters. Yeah. I wanna see that two Japanese film spiking for best foreign film. I'm sure that's Keith laws. Top ten looks really good. Go ahead. And then so for my honorable mention that no particular order I had a tweeted out yesterday last night. So you can see the full list there. But the five honorable mentions that just missed the cut a star is born hearts beat loud, overlord, upgrade and your personal favorite mission impossible fallout apparently one of the best action movies in years. Everyone end, I the honest, the honest assessment of it is people ought on Tom Cruise for it. You could take it or leave it. It's just the fact that they do their own stunts a lot of it is not siege. Eat or very little wire work. They get the wires out. And it moves it's almost two and a half hours, and it never feels like. It. So it's absolutely tremendously pace and just a ton of fun to watch Micron a big fan of it. Go ahead. All right. My number ten thoroughbreds a gripping and darkly humorous thriller from first time writer director, Corey Finley anchored, by brilliant performances from any Taylor, joy and Livia cook. Well, overlooked from its February limited release, I feel it's the best original screenplay this year with notes of Hitchcock meeting millennial upper class didn't see it. But I did remember seeing the trailer pretty creepy. When I when I finally sat down and watched in February when it came out. I was pleasantly surprised by how fantastic it was. All right. Keep it rolling number nine. Won't you be my neighbor probably the most needed film this year Morgan Nevels documentary on Mr. Rogers is poetic profound, and ultimately pensive as the audiences given a look deep inside the man that use television to usher in the thought and hope of goodness for over forty years. One cardigan at a time. Review number eight number eight the favorite. I was initially taken aback by how grounded this film is given its campaign that made it seem more quirky in absurd than it actually was but that quickly dissolves thanks to intriguing cinematography sharpen venomous dialogue from writer director Iago's Latham OSE and three dominant performances from Rachel vice Emma stone and Libya Coleman, I wrote a Livia cooking here because it was like two AM when I was writing this Coleman who's probably gonna win or be nominated for best. Actress is unique and somewhat true story of Queen and her confidence tossing oranges naked guys. That's tough. Yeah. That was that was a little a little on the on the over the top part of it. But at the same time, I didn't think about that. Until you just mentioned just now for thanks. Thanks for that back in my head Steffi's really hated by the way, speaking one of our executives here. Absolutely. You meet with all of our bosses say there is some good schmoozing going on at the field. Right. Number seven, Ricky number seven first reform. Let's go traitors depressingly genius take on climate change in martyrdom delivers. Ethan hawks best performance of his career as the bleak and decaying Reverend taller who under secrets about his parish and its ties to a corporate financial backer. Yeah. Keep going come on more on account. If you keep talking keep going versus how directing shredder directing fantastic. I love the use of four three by the way, especially in sixteen nine world of the more and more figures, I love the use of square framing and the static shots shots. And how lighting how crafted feels by using that frame that aspect ratio. Like, I said Ethan hawks fantastic performance career. Just it's so subdued until it doesn't need to be an he just goes for well over the top Cedric the entertainer. Very surprisingly. Good good active solid is but yeah. Like once once you hit that point when he becomes so obsessed with and I love just the back and forth juxtaposition of using climate change in his own body to king saying are we too far gone right point, the only downside of have that little CGI moment near the end of the film way way. Too much just little artsy magical mystery tour he keep doing what you're doing didn't need that you could have just let again run with the static shots. I don't need to have the whole moment of Piff any using green screen that probably saved that probably would've saved. Yeah. About maybe two hundred fifty thousand dollars right there. Commonality loved it. Call the provocative and powerful. But it was a fantastic. I did purchase the red box of the DVD. And then I found it on Amazon a day later. It was on Amazon. Prime streaming. So maybe the give away in the next episode. My red box purchase of first reform signed by Enver. Exactly. All right, number six number six eighth grade. Wow. I guy directory debut hits profoundly not just in the case. But also with the immortal fear of puberty and young adulthood, a cringe and tremendous performance from a lease Fisher or Elsie Fisher. Sorry, the livers one of the best coming of age films this generation. Wow. Mark Simon's gonna be all over this. Number five. You're never really here killing and reticent Joaquin Phoenix turn suicidal veteran mercenary fighting human trafficking showcases some of the best subdued acting. I've ever seen. It also helps to have a writer and director daring Lynne Ramsay weaving. This web expertly manufacturing a world in which is Joe can inhabit without falling into satire, definitely challenging film. And I think it's on a lot of critics top ten list, and that's one of those maybe like, I man, you're snag. Oh, man. That's a pretty darn channel. Also streaming on Amazon right now because Amazon studios distribution check it out right now number four vice. Wow. One of the most fantastic pieces of mimicry and character camouflage since Gary oldman's, take sid vicious Christian bale dams Dick Cheney through over four decades of his life, accompanied by a biased calculated script from director Adam occa- bail along with Steve Carell, deep dive into Donald Rumsfeld showcased just how ugly the polish. Ix that rule over America are so to recap all of us number four outstanding. Right. So this over that's the consensus is the fourth best movie the year. No matter what is proven market number three Spiderman into the spider verse I knew it was going to be high initially. I had rough to is my best animated film of the year. Then I caught the eye max of Spiderman into the spider verse, which not only is the best animated film of the year. But it should be the marvel film campaigning for best picture over Black Panther, a truly amazing interpretation of the tiring superhero. Sub-genre the film from Bob per I'm gonna birth butcher. This name persons Shetty, Peter Ramsey, Rodney Rothman and written by Rothman and LEGO movies, Phil Lord, transcends? The art form of animation by faithfully adapting the medium within the film, and a story that will emotionally toe to toe with most dramas, I need love it. I like the fact that you trip over that name because normally when there's a multi cloud. Yeah. That's a sign. Was not because six renters three directors y'all got. But in this case actually worked by just all different input on we're able to make some them challenging. Yeah. And that's the thing you have three directors and two writers one of the writers, which was one of the directors especially with animation. You kinda have to have multiple people overseeing the project because of how much especially with Spiderman because of how how much different each character's artwork was. So you couldn't just, you know, make Pixar and everything's going to be the same. You had different art forms for spider girl, you had a different art form for nor Spiderman for spider ham. Everyone looked and moved differently within this universe, and especially miles Morales universe with with the alternate universe. Peter parker. They looked a little different. And I I love the fact that they did a lot of. Camera tricks without using special effects? They used it in the artwork like using the field and painting and doing the character design within that I'm a much bigger fan of that over like trying to force like the layered style of animation that was developed back in the cel shading whatnot. Yeah, about what are we got fantastic. Anyway, number two, black klansman. How Spike Lee scorch is with this insanely true story about Ron stallworth? The black detective that infiltrated the KKK in the nineteen seventies filled with all the swagger and stuff substance of blaxploitation films, while entrenching us in one of the most tension driven films in the last twenty years while the ending may seem grandiose to some. I felt it was right in place with Spike Lee and his style. Yeah. I didn't think of this. You accident crazy about the ending of the Charlottesville stuff. So I'm likely that's his deal. And he's doing he's doing his thing. And you got to respect them for it. Good. Call them just to blaxploitation number one number. One a quiet place for the best film of the year in one of the best horror films. This generation what John Christine ski accomplishment, accomplishes in ninety minutes from a script, he penned with Brian woods, and Scott back is instantly. Classic the tremendous use of sound coupled with outstanding performances from the entire cast, especially his wife, Emily blunt prove that given the right direction and inspiration horror can be more than cheap scares in. Erie tensions waiting for the next bump, I'm astonished. You did not have Halloween in your top ten. What happens second viewing? It just fell down. It's not even in my honorable mentions. Whole I'm still going to buy it's coming out on Blu Ray soon. I'm still going to purchase it. I still respect it. But upon the second viewing that I went and saw it in theaters it just kind of fell off a little bit. It's it's still not the original. What about spear? Look what any no. So that's funny should mention that. Because that's coming up on my five that missed the Mark go ahead, and in no particular order. Mandy, hereditary annihilation, the spuria and your personal favorite sorry to buy the go. All right. So we have backup sorta bother you all of us have black laser and the lowest was Dan had three Ricky it too. I had won a quiet place. We all had our list headed eight I had it all mentioned Ricky at one Ricky. What was your number nine won't be my neighbor? Okay. So we go with thoroughbreds ten won't you? Go neighbor. Eight Susan nine eight is the favourite seven as best one first reformed sixes eighth grade five as you. You're never really hear four as vice consensus three Spiderman consensus black lands when we all loved a quiet place. All three of us had three movies all in the top ten. Why place you hadn't honorable mention. So that when we're kicking it out of here vice wheel at four spider-man's but verse and black Landsman, we all all three of us had those movies in the town. If there's three movies to see those are the three we'll see those three not first reformed. It's trash. Oh, it's awesome on Amazon prime streaming just picture provocative and powerful. And that time for our special guest. Took -nology truth. Brought to you. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. Let's Janet's fangs did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh and Sint, wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. So easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something go, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percents or more. All right. Hey, this is a real thrill of welcome in Matt Zoller sites. Allen CEPA wall. They have written an incredible book. It's called the soprano sessions. It is available. Now, I devoured all four hundred seventy one pages. And they just extra panel last night sopranos twenty which Matt was hosting an Allen was tweeting about. So I've got a ton to ask what the series in the book. But thanks so much fellows for coming on Sinophile. Matt, I know last must have been a real thrill and tucked him navigate. But was there a big takeaway both you guys are so invest in the show was something you actually gleam last night that you did not know until last night. Oh, there was a lot of stuff. But, you know, the the main thing was just how invested everybody was in in the friendships that they formed when they were on the show, which is something, you know, I think probably happens with every television series to some degree. But it. Aimed especially intense in this case, you know, these are people who twenty even fifteen twenty years after they were on the show together. They still hang out amazing seeing Allen. I love retrieve the use of Silvio, and paulie, it's amazing to see Stephen Vincent Tony Rico together. Again, one of the great duos of modern television, Tony Rico. He's always on you know, it was just hilarious. You know, watching him talk back to Matt hassle the other people on the panel. He is one of the funny characters TV history and one of the funny actors in real life later on I wanna talk with the funniest lines the show, and I feel like Polly's going handful of those. But the soprano sessions is available now just to give you back on me, fellas. I watched it when I was in college. I grew up in Canada's. We did not have each be. Oh, we didn't have TNN the movie network and in colleges, I'm sure you guys can relate didn't have much money. But the the coffee of noise about this show was so strong when the New York Times that it's the greatest pop culture in the last twenty five years roommates scrounge together, watch the show and the first ever saw. You guys will have is. In house. I had no idea. It was going on. But I thought it was brilliant, particularly montage at the end the Rolling Stones through and through and Gandolfi smoke cigars. Okay. Clearly, there's something going on here. I gotta watch this dire. Show beyond just the fact Tony's got bad Indian food mix. The fact he sniffed at a rat. But Matt start with you, can you give context for those just what pop culture phenomenon it was. You guys worth the Newark star-ledger, you're seeing this show in your own backyard. Won't was it like this creates breaking bad and game of thrones. And so many great shows. What was it like when the sopranos hit? Well, it was huge. It was huge. And you know, the thing that everybody forgets now in in retrospect, I think everybody everybody is convinced themselves that that it was big from the start and everybody was one hundred percent on board with everything the show was doing, but you know, it came out of nowhere and the best known person in the cash was probably reigned Bronco 'cause she'd been nominated for an Oscar and for good fellows and a lot of people last night on the panel. And I certainly feel the same way they looked at the title and thought it was about opera singer. They had they really didn't know what this thing. Was and and and even once they found out that it was about the mafia. They didn't they didn't necessarily know that it was about not the New York Ma but the New Jersey of which had an inferior already complex compared to the New York mob. And then also there was like a tree social satire, family relations, and all kinds of other things mixed into it, including dream sequences Allen, you predated of these great shows we see now. Right. Like, I laugh people tell me how good some of these shows kidding the hero began again Fini. And I listen, I agree with you. When you look at the fact of great, dramatic performances. You know, if you look at Jon Hamm, Don, Draper and Bryan cranston's. Walter, white kennel Fini was a specialist any of them. He's towers about them, all my opinion. I mean, it's weird because I remember in the years since the show ended I'm writing ton of madman. I'm running about breaking bad about all these other shows, and it became very easy to sort of look at it, as oh, there's you know, the TV drama mount Rushmore and those three guys on it, and maybe cleared anes Elizabeth moss or somebody else's to fourth add. But then we went back, and we had to watch the show to write this book and. And I was struck again. And again by just have special even by recent standards. Gained Fini was like he gets his own mountain and everybody else has to fight for second place. There's a couple of moments just by the way, my wife had never seen it. So we watched it from Labor Day to thinks giving we just powered through. It was perfect time with the twenty th anniversary. And then I got to read your guys book, which I cannot recommend enough. Because what Alan and Matt did is they went through every episode. It's so dense the footnotes are so good the not only knowledgeable very funny as well. And so when when I'm watching Ganal Fini, again, the whole show, my least favorite episodes in my least favorite season season for you guys. It's the rare show that ended better than ever season six part tour, David chasing season seven. You cannot miss a beat of that. It's incredible. And I did love season five because I love Robert lotion, but Shemi so much. He's four to me was what the weakest, but it did have one of the week or episodes, probably my favorite Gandolfini moment. And that is after lists that great song. Oh child by the shy lights charge such pronounce it. He then goes and belt whip Zalman, and I love that you guys pointed out in the book that Casablanca reference. So smart by the you guys. The fact that it Bowie said of all the ginger all the places she walks into mine after Gainey just humiliates guy of all the girls to pick it Irena. And then I think about a scene like that he's so vicious. He reads, he treats vulnerability with brutality, and then I think of a true vulnerability and the H tries to kill himself and the way that Guinot Fini reaction like what's wrong with you like he's just so angry frustrated and the way he says, I got you baby. Got you baby like brings tears to my eyes. Matt will talk with the person, James FINA second. But just those moments to me are so special weren't they? Yeah, they were. And and it's the it's the tenderness and the humanity of those characters that saves them from being completely loathesome, which was always a risk. And in fact, sometimes consciously something that they were going for, and you know, the attraction repulsion mechanism on this show was really quite remarkable. And and it was I think it was in Karnataka mostly through the character of. Melfi who was studying Tony and by extension his world in this kind of detached clinical way. But but there were times when she was attracted to it and attracted to him, and that and that was kind of exciting, but also disgusting to her because of her own moral code, and and I think it's the show went on. I think it became increasingly hard for her to disentangle herself from from her motion investment, and she really stands in for the viewer and a lot of ways. And of course, we get to the end. And it's like she closes the book on this guy. Like, she's got a kick him out of her life. She's had enough. And and I think you know, I don't think it's a coincidence. That happens pretty much at the tail end of the entire eighty six episode saga. As despicable as the guy is out. I'm generally rooting for part of his charm. But I love gained an actor. And I think he's really funny. I think you guys really point out the fact that this one of the reasons you like Sylvia's funny, poly, you know, these guys are despicable people. You know, humor goes a long way. But Gandolfi the moment that I said, okay. I'm dumb of them is when he killed Christopher because I just love imperial so much Christmas, my favorite character. Lucia reactive that episode specifically because you guys explained. Perfectly. What he means when he says, I get it when he kills Chris. The feeling is. Let's listen I voted for a lot of stuff here. Tony. But you can't kill your nephew like that. It's really it's very shocking that he doesn't. But it's also, you know, as chased talks about in the long series of interviews with them for the book. It was way overdue like Christopher had been very badly behaved for a long time with the insubordination and the drug addiction everything else by the standards by which the the mob conduct itself. So it was more like they kept him around because people like you and everybody else loved that character. And he and Michael imperial he was so good. But when he's standing there in the goal and he leaned then he realizes I can just kill him by pitching nose closed. And he does it. It's shudder thinking about right now talking to you so memorable the way does on that. You obviously knew Jim very well as you do interviews and stuff, I love the fact included some of your work than you star ledger particular eulogy for Gandolfini. This is a guy who was uncomfortable. The spotlight I had trouble personal life issues with booze and drugs. And unfortunately, I'm glad you guys didn't include. Exellent think it's it's germane to the show, but there are stories and the tabloids A held up the crew and shooting stuff because he was out on a bedrick cetera. But very generous to actors in particular, I was struck by the fact, essentially a handwritten note after your wife passed away and his reaction to when he would see you those interactions. Tell us a little bit about Jim Guinot fee the human being. Well, he, you know, the first thing I can tell you is that in the almost thirty years that I've been writing about film and television. He's the only actors ever begged me not to interview mean he called the house. You know, this before the show was even on the air. And he's the main character on a on a on an HBO show, a guy who had been kind of toiling in the in the margins of other people's on sambas for for years, this big break and HBO set up an interview with the star ledger, and I was going to do a profile of them and a few days before the phone rings. And my wife picks it up and spent several minutes on the phone. And then finally she covers the receiver and turns to me and says, it's James can't. And I said what the does he want, you know, and and he got on the phone with me. And he said mad. I just been thinking about it. And I don't think it should be doing this interview. Who cares? What an actor has to say just seems silly to me, and I had to talk him into to to doing interview with me. And it turns out I believe that my. Mine was one of maybe two solo interviews that he did during the entire eight year run of the show like he would appear on stage as part of an on some blur in a group typesetting, but he didn't do one on ones. And he, and I think he really was legitimately shy. Like, I think there are a lot of people in the spotlight who say, oh, I have social anxiety remers shy person. And it's not true. But I think in his case it was true. I don't know if you feel that way on totally I've witnessed times, you know, we we were at an awards event that he didn't realize was kind of a working precedent to. And so he just shows up. He's in a good mood. This sopranos is gonna bet to get on heard and suddenly like three dozen reporters surround him with tape recorders. And he looked like he wanted to choose off to escape. That's genuine some of the personal episodes that I love I know you guys have favorites as well. But I want you just indulge me on these four specifically, I want just tastes on, you know, personal elements of this. You liked or excetera I long term parking cannot beat season five twelve because of the the magic between imperial and dragged imitate both won Emmys. I think for this episode more than anything Chris first reaction when he hears the news, and I've interviewed imperial E ON this podcast and a foul, and I said his best acting the entire show was when he goes the gas station, he sees that guy. All my God. That's the way life can be if I have to tell and after run I can't do this. I'm not going to be some guy with a mullet and three kids and picking up chips. I I write a less a lesser show would have had him confessing to somebody saying I can't do. I can't live the streetlight light. He just that looking is all my God. It's so good blue communism as in particularly Bokolas death that was so vivid. The way that they've packed so much action. The final twenty minutes with Silvio Whitecaps is amazing guys wrote a perfectly rather than who's afraid of Virginia. Woolf it's who's afraid of Virginia Mook, you got to actors going out and home movies. I think it's criminally underrated. My wife, I'll watch the first time loved Bobby Bockel thought he was so endearing as so heartwarming, and she was broken by the fact that Tony poisoned polluted, this guy soul forever by making them go to my home country of Canada and killing some French Canadian guy who's fighting for his kid and just kills him. He's so unassuming a laundromat. Alan you first those for episodes, which the most or some personal remembrances about those episodes. I would probably of those long term parking all the Whitecaps is pretty amazing to they all are, but long term parking is there was fans of the show who just w-. Wanted a straightforward mob drama, and that's not mostly with the sopranos. Was it was doing psychiatry and sociological commentary and family stories and everything else. But when it wanted to just do straightforward mob stuff like in that episode. It could be amazing. And you could understand why the fans wanted the show to beat at all the time, maybe not with you know, a beloved character dying. But you get my point. It's just about the FBI versus the mob, and almost everything else gets put aside for that week, Matt for you those for pills, which would you like the most? Well, gosh, I mean, it's tough. I mean, I- Whitecaps as pantheon episode for sure, but I think my my own personal taste might run more towards soprano movies because one of the one of the aspects of the show that we touched on at the at the reunion last night. And that I don't think it's enough Chretien as these one offs these little these kind of self contained almost like a little like ensemble movie within the show like it's almost like it's got parentheses around it, the sopranos did those really well and soprano. Soprano home movies is a great example of that the whole thing is, you know, taking place out at that lake house. There's really only four characters in it. And it feels like a little stage play, you know? And and you know, it's a family event where things go south, and and the sopranos did a number of those that were I thought superb including profile of wish go from season three, which is about the aftermath of his death. And that's that whole long sequence in the reception at the spray. No household where almost every one of the characters gets a beautiful little area and then season five Marco Polo, the pool party the episode where Tony and Carmella get back together after their estrangement. I think that one's great and then in season season six or is it seven Alan would know, Mr. and MRs John Sacranie request. I think. That's six six. Okay. Yeah. We should probably distinguish why we why we say season seven. Object guys, put it in the book, the fact that they had to do it because it would affect the salaries read the actors the way Hollywood guilds work every new season of show is made everybody gets raises. So sometimes you'll see this breaking bad did a to mad men did as well. They treat basically two seasons worth of episodes as one so they can avoid the budget going up too much. I know it was reading that cone. All right. That makes more sense though. We're talking right now is Matt Zoller sites. Alan separate wall. Their book called the soprano sessions is a must recheck out available now with the twentieth anniversary of the show. How about this roll call of actors, especially for guys who have not seen the show or gals? Like, my producers, Dan, Rick, listen, this is supporting actors who just showed up for few episodes, maybe season. Robert Patrick gambling addict, Robert loggia, Robert Loja as feats lamonica, David stra thin. I love him as Wessler Furio just for the dance. Steve Shemi is Tony be Ben Kingsley. Lauren Bacall themselves. So to Jon Favreau, Frankie Valli Frank, Vincent. NFL Ciara as Spitfire. Gloria will Arnett one of my favorite comedic actors John hurt VIN. Vindication Sidney Pollack outstanding as a prison guard Lin Manuel Miranda lady Gaga Allen of all those actors, which one did you think man that guy or girl was really special shura? You know, it's and it's a real shame. What happened career after that which has been written about extensively over the last year? But you know, she had been sort of memorable in the nineties and then things didn't quite go anywhere. She turns up near the end of season three as Gloria Trillo. And it was just an the show was kind of wandering around after Nancy Marchand died because he was a plot of season. Three was Tony has to be nice to his mother to keep her from testifying against him and his Rico trial about the tickets, and they had to scramble and start over from scratch and suddenly finds his focus with this just electrifying performance by her and she's only four episodes total, but they're four of the most memorable episodes the show ever did Matt for you of those actors, I cited, which when did you really think? Give me the list again, dude that was a lie. Robert Patrick is a gambling addict Robert loggia each LeMond, David. Stearns Wexler, furious dance. Steve Shemi, Tony b Bank. Kingsley. Lauren bacall. Frank. Vincent, Frankie Valli, Jon Favreau. Annabel Shiro will Arnett John hurt is indication saintly one of those KTEL commercials from the seventies and many many more lin-manuel Mahinda and lady Gaga, I tell you who I grew to appreciate to a much greater extent than when I watched. She'll originally is is Frank Vincent. Yeah. And Frank Vincent is somebody who has been reliably excellent. And a lot of films and television shows, and we just lost him not too long ago. And and he's in a role here. I think I took him for granted because he's played so many mobsters so many kind of New York, you know, angry angry epileptic tough guys. I mean, even do the right thing he has at one scene where he's driving through the neighbor and the Cadillac don't be with the water there. Joe black. I don't know who it was exactly they should be under the jail. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was great. And chase said like, you know, he interviewed him. He auditioned him for the role of uncle junior. And Frank Vincent said, you know, I know you're probably gonna go with teenagers. But you know, there's a certain number of guys who you're you're going to have to cast and in the show, and I'm one of those guys and eventually he did cast him. But I think like there's a depth of feeling his performance as Philly Attardo on that show that I don't think it's been properly preciado, particularly after the death of his brother, and also there's some there's some like energy weird energy there with his hatred of veto. Where you know. He, you know, it seems like he's he's sort of suppressing some issues of his own his Allan pointed out in in the recap of that episode. Well, Alan, you can you can point this out. But. But Phil's about to murder veto. He literally comes out of a closet. I know that was. I love that. I just tissue wonderful detail. You're right. I'm glad you guys pointed out, I love this detail, you guys in terms of social codes a couple of those that love irregular around the margins just shows how phone call that game of telephone they play with Chris Tony Adriana how rumor spreads how vicious it can be and particularly Boca. The fact that uncle junior what he does with his lady how that is just verboten in this world. And I love the fact you guys point out. It's an awesome OSH the public enemy Ravin Cagney and a grapefruit you got gymnasia doing it with the cake, but Alan that's again mob life, and you know, obviously, I love Scorsese's goodfellas so much as anybody. It's about coats and the show perfectly demonstrated that kick those two episodes. But which is how often the codes are meaningless like there's all these times where someone will, you know, state some kind of rule, and then you can find six hundred things in the run of the series that violates like when in university when Tony start shoving ralphie up against the fence ralphie's like you put your hands on me. I'm a made by. And when I when I said to David chasing, these interviews. We did. Well, he did that to Mikey poems. He did to this guy. And that guy was as an actual rule change just laughed and said, no, no. These guys said whatever they wanted to to justify whatever they wanted to do in that moment. Matt shows violent season, three episodes four five and six particularly Melfi is rape, which I think Lorraine Bracco acting incredible. And particularly up six university of Joe Pantoliano, one of the most beloved characters as you guys said in the book, if it's a if this is a score says film he'd be playing the Joe patchy role. He beats Tracy. Did you feel especially on every watch it again? And I know people Claire Smith is a great writer at ESPN since the baseball fame. She goes, I know, it's a brilliant show. And it's so well written and all the rest of it. But I stopped watching it because I said it's too much violence towards women. It was too much to take iphone two appalling. Did you think the show went to well, I don't know about too far necessarily because of the kind of world that it was depicting. But you know, one of the things that she got into his interviews with us was that that was around the time. You know, you notice there was a Mark. A marked uptick in ugliness and season two that was a season where they started dry, you know, showing collateral damage whether violent or financial against people who weren't in the mob who weren't even affiliated with the criminal underworld in. No, that's the one where Davies Cotino gets ruined. And Alan, and I got a lot of mail from people watching the show or saying the show is to likable. I don't like the show anymore. And it's like why like when they were killing mobsters, you're okay with it. But when they bankrupt guy sporting goods store who presumably probably reminds you of yourself because he's you know, he's a New Jersey suburban home owning middle-class guy. That's too far for you like that's a bridge too far. And and you know, I think the the show was constantly fighting this battle where a certain segment of the audience was getting off on the gangsters and getting off on the violence and chase. The other writers kept trying to find ways to to complicate that to make people feel like God. I shouldn't be identifying with these people. They're they're really quite monstrous and that stretch of episodes season three, you know, employee of the month another. Pick. We're Bobby Bokola. Senior kills these two guys really brutally and then coughs himself to death with blood coming out of his mouth and then university, which is essentially about the mob's complicity and sex trafficking. I mean, that's that's subject, and like how they treat women's disposable that will stretch of episodes really about these these kind of parasitic characters, and and the ingrained misogyny of that culture is a part of it. And I think they stare at it in a very unflinching way and Melfi is another person who comments on it throughout the run of the show. So I think there were times when they when they lost control of that narrative, and they might have and they might have crossed the line and the show itself became a Sajjan is like I think the the death of what's her name Lorraine Qaluza. Yes. Five which was basically chase even admitted that was just his revenge against a column. A columnist for the near post who happened to be a woman who had written some unflattering things about season four, and that was kind of you know, that was kind of a cheap thing to do. And and I I was kind of grossed out by that. At the time. But but for the most part, I think they stayed on the side of the angels, which is not necessarily the same thing as saying that they was a pleasant show to watch and also season three episode one you guys correctly pointed out with me FBI's town Adriana, you're not sure is this actually the telling the show getting off in the factors help pretty Matteo is algae of that same vibe as far as the violence in what Matt's talking about. Yeah. I do. And I think sometimes it can be very difficult to rewatch. I was glad that you know, when it came time to divvy up who's going to write the first draft of each essay, he well end up with employee of the month, another toothpick and university because well I had to rewatch them. Obviously, they're not that fun to think about so. But I do think for the most part the show was able to stay on the right side of the line, where it's you know, it's commenting on it rather than reveling in it every now, and then it would rebel though for sure. At about five minutes, you're left with Matt Allen. Their new book is the soprano sessions and courage all to check it out the music of the show as much as I love the show its fan. My favorite drama Allen wasn't crazy about the music. It's a lot of music. I don't care for with a few exceptions. I did love this. Magic moment. Every time. I hear that song think soprano home movies and poor Bobby. I mentioned the song Ocho and van Morrison's. Glad tidings is used perfectly with a Tony blend detto death. That's one of the best death scenes. I love the way they call back that music. But I loved about your book is that chase even says why didn't want imitate the score says sixties music, which I love like I love the fact of used Dan on the Belmont. I wonder why of course, deniro used that in a Bronx tale and chase. Because I wish I had that one back. They want to add that in the first episode, right? So what did you think of the music? I don't pick good. And then chase even points. You know, what a lot of music wanted to have twenty listen to and let's face it a lot of that music. Wasn't very good anyways. But I thought it was to the character. He made sure to distinguish between, you know. He said there were two kinds of music on the show. There was a kinda music, Tony and those guys would listen to and then there was the show's taste in music and those were often two different things. And sorry Allen continue what you were going to say. I was exactly that. But like. What do you need both of us for the same person? That's great stuff. Go ahead. No, I I like the music more than you do on the show. And I think it's an interesting character. Because part of the point is what you got up before. It's it's a show New Jersey, the mob has the inferiority complex there. He's trying to make it about a show about guys who have grown up watching the kind of movies that would play the on the Belmont would do this and wish that their lives were like that. But they're not. And so that's why you know, Tony his listening to the music. He's listening to and often the show is playing this Esa teric stuff 'cause it's trying to create a very different feel than you would get from goodfellas godfather or any of these other films, of course, as your Coppola had done before we get to the end in God help us. Matt psychiatry ultimately help or have no impact on Tony soprano. Well, that's you know, like a lot of other questions. You can ask about the show. There's it's not a I don't think you can say, yes. Or no to that. I mean, I think I think it was enormously beneficial to him in the sense that it taught him to underst he first of all taught him to access emotional interior, which was something. He was not really able to do when he started there, and then to understand it, and and particularly to understand his subconscious and and to interpret his own dreams. And if you look at the dream sequences on the show and the way that they progress one thing that I noticed during this rewatch is that he's kind of at the mercy of his own dreams early in the show. But then by the time, you get the fun house. He becomes almost a lucid dreamer where he sort of interpreting and commenting on his own dreams. And it is Tony not Melfi who interprets that that pussy as the rat. And he needs to be executed like he has an assist for Melfi. But it's really Tony who does that work. And by the time, we get to the test dream, Tony is, you know, his dreams are much more sophisticated. They're not just about particular problems in his life. There. About his entire personality. And he's doing a lot of the unraveling and Melfi is basically just there to check math. And so I, you know, I think he became much much more sophisticated in terms of understanding himself. But it's what he did with it. That's problematic. Like, you know, he continued to avoid a Piff unease large and small could've made him a truly different person, a better person, and nicer person, and we're genuine person not a criminal. And I think that was ultimately the entire purpose of Melfi. In therapy was trying to get this guy if not to necessarily make him not be criminal, which is probably too late for him to at least accept some responsibility for the evil that he embodies and abets, and he never quite got there. And I think to me we'll get to the ending. But like that's that feeds my own personal take on what that cut the black about. And now we get to the ending here. I mean, it's so well, hotly disputed still is Alan that TJ Quincy great report here. He tweeted yesterday, his thoughts and the ending. He says someone does get wacked and chase messed up when he called it a Desi, but it's not tone death. It's our. It's the viewer who gets shot in head and part of his raising. You said is because you know, you have multiple POV rights our POV in. It's tony's. But that last shot when Gadaffi looks up it's our POV, and we don't hear anything, and we get cut to blots. We actually says if the audience getting wacked not Tony soprano, but go ahead your interpretation of it. Well, I mean, I think that's certainly valid interpretation. I think it's on mistake. -able was even really before chase wound up talking to a lot of the final much more than either expected that the scene is about death whether Tony dis whether meadow dis whether nobody does whether the audience dies immaterial the scene is about reminding you very painfully and acutely of this idea that we're all mortal or not here forever. Life can be taken away from us at any moment. It's precious gift. Tony has really squandered the gift so far, but he's still around. And so it's trying to put you in that head space of maybe he could die here. And this is what it would feel like maybe he doesn't what actually happy. I think it's much less. Interesting to me after the process of all this then just sort of thinking about the meaning and the feeling of it. Yeah. Bottom line. It's not definitive, right? Chase makes that clear the book, and I won't be able to to buy the book because you're right. He goes, indefinite you guys with the ending and says Moore they wanted to say especially throws a little insult you guys good-naturedly. But it's open interpretation, which is the best part of ending should be open. Right. Well, I think so. And you know, and I will I I'm going to have to my own horn here and say that, you know, the recap that I wrote of that final episode which went up shortly after midnight on the day that it aired for the first time, I said might take on it was David chase whack view or that was my first impulse because I'm a guy who's very concerned with formal properties of film and television, maybe to maybe to my detriment in some respects. But that was my first take on it. And I've kind of moved away from that, partly as a result of having worked on this book with Allen, and I feel I feel somewhat differently. Like, I don't think it's that simple. I do think that it's more about it's more of a spiritual reckoning, and it's more like. Something along the lines. But was saying which is if we could if our life could be ended any moment, what will it have amounted to like if we could take stock in ourselves in that moment before our life cuts to black? You know, like death comes to us now or at some other point like what did it add up to where we good person? Did we make good choices? Did we bring good into the world or more or mostly evil? And I think I think you have to look at Tony's life and see the disappointment there. You know, like he's there's a lot of human potential. He's much smarter more sensitive more empathetic than almost any of the other guys in his organization, and he sees himself. I think more clearly, and he sees other people more clearly, but that still doesn't help him become anything other than a mobster who steals and kills. And and I think in ultimately, Dr crack, our may have the last laugh on all of them and maybe on us, right? Stop the soprano sessions and just to let you guys know how much I love the book is a couple of my favorite parts. Man. I love the fact you described Guinot Fini reminded me of. Simple. No, Anthony, whose character Astrada one of my favorite movies Fellini what a reference that is. And how about this footnote which comes on page one thirty nine I've been waiting entire to read this one a glorious opening devoted Buddhist. Even after Tony paraphrase glorious lines from the zoo footnote rates, if the zoo is a place for warm and eliminating things happen for Toni. Gloria does that make it the sun's zoo. Thank you have been a great audience. Came up with footnote, I got to know most of the dad jokes on the footnotes are mine, and and most and the and the meticulous annotation of all ages relationships too, farting or Ellen's. Story. I love the Hollywood stuff on the show to you mentioned the test. Jim Benning is so good. My one small quibble you guys go, and I listen, I'm a huge movie. Geek, I'm with you guys. Total nerd, I know WC fields the Bank, dick, but when Gandolfini reference it wants, Tony with this guy, really know WC fields the Bank dick Allen Beckmann. But I know he's a movie guy likes history watches TCI. But he would he really get that kind of reference. I think he would because like Ankara up I'm a couple years younger than Tony was supposed to be. And I grew up watching Abacus stellar movies, which were thirty forty years old when I was a kid because you know, in that generation you watched what was on. And a lot of what was on was just old material made for grownups. They weren't like he wouldn't have grown up on Nickelodeon or cartoons or anything else. So he would have been soaking. In a lot of this stuff, you know, above and beyond his generalist interest in history. All right, fair enough, the soprano sessions for Matt Zoller Sykes. Allen set wall follow both these terrific guy. On Twitter, Madame particular, very funny when it comes to politics and separate Wallich, many is tortured New York sports fan check out their book the soprano sessions. Appreciate you guys so much time. Honestly, the book is invaluable, and it really really appreciate your time today. Both you. Hollywood career. Spanning decades case and tales of Tinseltown are told here. Even side the lions with Ben lives. Hey, what's up? It's been lions here on Sinophile. Appreciate you Adnan for for having me on. It was great to celebrate the new year down in Hawaii. Fortunately, I can't think of too many great Hawaiian films that come to mind. It's all kinda, you know. The big bounce with Sarah foster and Owen Wilson and a low high with Emma stone that comes to mind descendants, George Clooney, and of course, Moana. So there have been some good ones over the years. But I was down in Hawaii where I made my annual favourite films of twenty eighteen list favorite films of the year list, and not the best movies, not the movies that I think are the best. I think if I were picking ten films to be nominated for best picture might be different list. But this is my favorite these are my favorite films. These are the films that meant the most to me, and so no order whatsoever. Here we go heartbeat loud. I saw it with you. Add NAN at the Sundance film festival. It stars. Nick Offerman as dad whose daughter played by Z count Clemens is going off to college. And so he secretly unbeknownst to her releases on I tunes songs that they've made together and the songs turn out to be pretty good. And they get a following. And they start to get some hits online, and he has to then tell his daughter that he's surprise surprise. Launch their music band. And it's a really sweet coming of age father daughter story. Ted Danson as well. Definitely check out heartbeat. Loud Sundance movie as won't you be. My neighbor the documentary about mister Rogers, boy, what a life, and what a dedication to uplifting. Others soul that should be celebrated. I love the film. I can't wait to see Tom Hanks in the feature version next year for Sony another Sundance movie the last race documentary about the last racetrack Long Island directed by Michael duet, who's a photographer as I narrative documentary, and wow, what a wonderful job. He does telling the story these working class people in Long Island who sacrificed their weekends to race. The stock cars for little or no money about the husband and wife who have owned the race track for generations and are hanging on by thread. It's visceral. He mounts the cameras on these cars that are hanging on by the nuts and bolts, and you can hear the iron against iron. And it's just mesmerizing. Check out the last race from director, Michael I loved black klansman shout, Spike Lee wants Nick always Nick fan. Right. I was with spike at the black klansman reception here in LA the night. The Knicks got their first win of the season against the hawks, and it's been all downhill ever since. But black clansmen and entertaining piece of American history. Adam driver, John David Washington, Tofa grace who is just whole areas as David Duke. He's just menacing and evil and really shines. A light on the disgusting person that he is wonderful job from Tofa in black clansmen free solo documentary about a climber who climbed El capitan with no ropes now, my brother-in-law Adnan variety brother from holiday Utah. He's climbed that mountain, but he did it with ropes and he slept in the sleeping bags hanging. Thousands of feet off the ground that to me is amazing. That's me is worthy of documentary. But here in in free solo this guy climbs the mountain with no ropes. It's terrifying. It's incredible though. Because it makes you question what it is to live life his life on the ground is unfilled. And that's the most dangerous place for him to be. So check out free solo not for the faint of heart. Absolutely loved it. I really enjoyed the favourite Emma stone. She seems to be a staple on my top ten list every year here. She is up opposite Olivia Colman and Rachel vice in a period piece costume drama that really takes the piss out of it a lot of humor in it. The absurdity of for which for which it set and the times, and how people lived back then and how there's this war going off thousands of miles away. But here they are in the in the in the castle, and they're safe in their oblivious to the pain and suffering that's happening across the country. Mazing mazing film. Check out the favorite stars born. I know it's commercial. I love rally Cooper's directory debut with lady Gaga, it's third or fourth time. This story's been told now, but it's a modernized version with Chapelle and engine. Klay brilliantly cast and supporting roles for Cooper to not only direct himself. Not only to play music to have to hold his own opposite, one of the great performers of generation lady Gaga, truly truly remarkable and very authentic at times to the life of a big rockstar, the private jets, and the helicopters and the drugs and the hotel rooms, and I just thought it was really well done. So that's eight or nine of my films, the writer khloe Zhao, directing the story about a bull rider movie opens with him taking the Staples out of his head from brain surgery from fallen off the bull and now Ye much like the gyn free solo has to question. Well, is the thing that makes me feel alive going to kill me. And if I don't do it will then will I be alive, and what's amazing about this that it's all real people? All real bull riders not actors telling this narrative piece from closeouts beautiful love letter to to the great northwest in the Great Plains the western mountains, and it's just amazing. How? Oh, it's shot. And how it's told and how these people are living off the land living off these bulls off breaking wild horses and almost like cowboy times. But is there a place for that in the modern world beautiful film was on Obama's top ten as well called the writer and last, but not least the number one film of the year for me. It's Adam mckay's vice to take on the story of Dick Cheney was not an easy task for McKay because Cheney was notoriously private and was not very outspoken publicly and really moved in the shadows of American political scene. The last thirty years, and it's terrifying. Haunting it's scary. It's opening shocking. It's hilarious at times aims is incredible as Corrales Donald Rumsfield. Tyler Perry is Colin Powell and Sam Rockwell as George Bush the scenes he has opposite to Cheney played by Christian bale, Christian bale, my vote for the Oscar to if you look for bail to get a win at the Screen Actors Guild playing real life CARA. Actor look for him to then go on and win at the Oscars. So vice my number one, that's my top ten unfortunately sorry to bother. You didn't make the list cave in just short, Adnan. There you have in my top ten be sure to download the lines then podcast on itunes. Appreciate the love getting to go to Sundance with you. Dude was a highlight getting to do another Academy Awards with. You is definitely a highlight. Introducing MRs Adnan Virk, your wonderful wife to Jon Favreau, Jennifer Aniston and Jimmy Kimmel at the Oscar party was definitely a highlight at twenty eighteen what a wonderful year and film, and it's been great to be a part in a small way of Sinophile here. Thank you for giving me some real estate on your podcast do such a great job, man. You break down all the films every single week and you provide me with the soundtrack to my Saturday morning bike rides along the Pacific Ocean here in Los Angeles. So keep up the great work. I love being a part of the Sinophile family. Shouts risk Passmore for making the trip to Tribeca came down. Supported our film, the American Meam, which he watched now, a Netflix. But yeah, that's my twenty eighteen top ten in the lines. Then Ben Lyons porzingas forever piece, Adnan. Pleasure. Bring in guest reviewer who's now become a staple of Sinophile Claire Atkins. Unfortunately, not in studio. She's been on the road working hard. But she's here. Joining us to talk about a film starring Felicity Jones. It's not RV G. But fictionalized version Arba g Claire tells all about. Thank you for having me review this movie, I feel that twenty eighteen with certainly the year of RV g my book club read the book or g and of course, I watched the documentary which got a lot of press. So it does still little bit that Rb G is kind of over saturated. So I think some people are going to be tired when they see there's another piece of medium out about her called on basis of sex and like ad and said it stars Felicity Jones, you probably know her from Star Wars, you probably know from Syria everything, and she's she's good in the role. The movie is about her time at Harvard Law School through her first sex discrimination case, she argued in front of the supreme court in the early nineteen seventies. She is good role. Like, I said it was originally intended for Natalie Portman who probably didn't wanna bore audiences anymore after Jackie. It Rachel Windsor her and her husband is played by Armie hammer who is incredibly good looking and for him to play Marty Ginsburg was a little bit of a reach for me. But it's a beautiful love story. And if you don't know the story, I it's really remarkable how he stood by her through the trials and tribulations of being a lung young lawyer, and he really treats her as equal, and so it's perfect for Hollywood. But I think this movie falls back on a lot of bio pic cliches. So if you're fan of Hidden Figures or Mona Lisa smile, I think this is the movie for you. And it doesn't ice job of showcasing wife or early years were so important to the history of US gender law, and it's feel-good movie for sure I recommend all mothers and daughters. Go the ad, but it's not gonna stick out to me, you know through this award season. I you know, I. It's just going to it's going to be a nice January film. And you know, we'll move on from there. So you're both free police. I give it to and a half. I think it's really cliche. And you know, it doesn't surprise at anytime. I it it's a story worth telling. And I'm glad it's being told. But you know, I mean, just throw makes a nice appearance, and so that will surprise audiences but other than that, it's it's not very memorable or to notice. We took the duck venture Jean stead early top two of the deposits. Not verse you on this one. But if you wanna give us a handful of your favorite movies of the year. What would they be of twenty teen? I would definitely go with the favorite as mentioned on previous podcast. It was it was clearly going to be written and made for me. I can't get over. I still think about it today. Please go see it it. I think it's just going to surprise and shock you. And I think it should I'm with I'm with this in a file podcast with. I reforms. I still can't stop thinking about it. I think even hawk is incredible. I often recommend you you go out. Instead or rented, however form you can I'm with fantasy that eighth grade. Really stuck for me? I think if something different I've never seen it before. I think really resonated as a young woman. So I would say those three were really the ones that that. I will remember from twenty eight teen. I was huge fan of star born I'm totally with Adnan. It's very melodramatic. But I mean, it was really great as big music fan. I think Bradley Cooper really really hit the nail on the head. And a lot of music is done by Lucas Nelson's Willie Nelson son Jason bell and being from Nashville. Those are two huge acts that I'm so happy are getting kind of a main stay in the media. So I said it was my favorite films of the fall for the stores. Clear now, I feel it's under perceived even rhapsody when best picture seeing grouper not win best. Actually, not win back. Actress I I hope the way does get more because I'm with you. I think it's very good. Like, you said melodramatic, but for C shutout. I would be surprised I do think it is a quality film or seeing and it's nice to have a movie that critics love nodding says loved as well, it's a big popular movie, which is nice to see. Right. And I and I left Black Panther as you know, most of America did. And you know, I'm with the Oscars that is it meant for the big popular film versus the more artistic films. But you know, I I love that. I think marvelous and a wonderful job with that and to make it not. So that if movies coming out every two months, you're tired of the franchise, they keep it new and fresh, and so I I was also of that as well. She rocks shook her out on Twitter Claire underscore Atkins. Thanks. Thanks file. All right. Thanks so much to Matt Zoeller sites. Allen set while their book is called the soprano sessions. Thanks to clear Atkins for the guest review. Thanks, Dan, stands Passmore for offering their top ten as well. Fingers crossed. Big time. Guests coming up on Sinophile as big a movie stars it gets. Alright. Alright. Alright until then I'll see you at the movies. Miss out on the next episode of Sinophile subscribe to the ad N for movie podcast clicking the listen tab in the ESPN.
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