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Will Kevin Durant Ever Be Satisfied?

The Lead

23:23 min | 1 year ago

Will Kevin Durant Ever Be Satisfied?

"I'm saying I want to be really is. I want to finish my career with the guys I started with. And then you kind of had Kevin like I'll know what I'm GONNA be next. Year ended last week. Dream on Green. Kinda sounded off on his former teammate. Kevin Durant and his controversial exit from the Golden State Warriors. Green talked about a dust up between the two and how durant contract situation and is behavior affected the team. Ethan Strauss has followed durant and golden state up close for years and he has a new book out about the warriors called the victory machine. He joins us today to talk about what was going on behind the scenes of arguably the best team in NBA. History durant's dramatic exit. And why he was so unhappy even as the team was dominating just because you had Kevin Durant come in. It wasn't going to be a situation where people went. Wow this guy's even taller and we think he's better at basketball off. We don't care about Steph curry anymore from wondering and the athletic I'm under skelter and I'm the Davidson it's Friday. The first of May and this is the lead. It felt like something was happening. There is something about the emotion and the past because I was. This isn't a story earlier. It stays with you with the capital one quicksilver card you earn unlimited one point. Five percent cashback on every purchase everywhere. That's unlimited one point. Five percent cashback on everything you buy and unlimited really means unlimited with. Quicksilver there's no limit to how much cash back you can earn capital one. What's in your wallet? Credit APPROVAL REQUIRED CAPITAL ONE BANK USA. So even you asked Kevin Durant if you could interview him for your new book. What was his response? It was something to the effect of you. Your books your sources I said there is going to be a chapter on him. He said how much are you paying me for the chapter and I think he responded. Not Enough you know. It's the sense of. I provide this demonstrable value. Add he does. He provides insane value the value. That's worth hundreds of millions of dollars. But he always feels. Like he's getting cheated or slighted in a way and not getting what he is owed right. So let's talk about how Kevin Durant got to the point where he's telling you to f. off tickets back to the time before he arrived at. Golden State the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen season yet. That team was such a revelation to steph curry. Went off and he really displayed what you could do in front of a national TV audience. What's the deepest greatest Steph changed the NBA? He combines the two elements of ludicrously accurate off the dribble shooting with a great handle. Taking advantage of this matchup I and then when you combine it with the joy he plays with how it's charismatic away. All of that just turned into the gestalt that made him the most popular player for children. Around that time you really resonated. And then of course they fell just short against Lebron and the cavs the following season they collapsed. They collapsed J. from that belief. Suv Curry hands. Bhai Jamesy advance bath and the Finnish Cleveland off to a great defensive start. They had burn themselves out. Grab for seventy three. When Steph was not healthy and then Lebron coming up huge in the closing games of that series picked off by Da Curry back. Donald J skies huge huge defensive play but a four-time MVP and the warriors just ran out of steam. What is a city of champions? What's again but cavaliers? Nba Champions and it was particularly painful loss. And what do you think that that performance did for Lebron's reputation or his legacy was massive. I mean is such a stew swing moment. I mean winning a championship with the cavs. I don't even know how many championships that counts for. It was thought to be so impossible. They hadn't done it in in decades so it was huge for him and so after. That series is where Kevin Durant enters the picture. What was the reaction within the League and in the world of sports when it was announced that Kevin Durant was joining the Warriors? Angst INCREDIBLE ANGST. The wars amassed a team that was effectively unbeatable. Six feet eleven would have seventy six wingspan with skills them. A guard with range to boot. This do is the total package offensively. When we look at Kevin Durant we looked at the rest of the squad. Said dammit it's unfair. I want them to stay in Oklahoma City. I woke up the competitive balance. I don't like super teams. I won't guys who compete. I mean this is absurd. This was Steph Curry Klay Thompson Andrea Dala Kevin Durant Draymond Green and the closing lineup in two thousand seventeen. When they were all still in their primes they went sixteen and one in the playoffs and it effectively wasn't a game anymore and I can understand why a lot of fans resented it because it felt to decadent it was too much because of the last dance the the new ESPN docu series. About the ninety seven. Ninety eight balls. A lot of people now are asking which dynasty was better the nineties bowls or the two thousand teens warriors. Where do you come down on that? And there is no way. It's a joke. I mean we're GONNA be talking about. I think it's ludicrous. It's ludicrous to have these conversations. We're having right now of Vo. Who would win the warriors or the or the seventy two and bulls? Are you kidding me? That was back in the day. Were small forward sometimes. Couldn't shoot you know wouldn't shoot threes. There are never been anything like this. What is happening off the court in the Locker Room? And how is Kevin Durant gelling with the rest of the team? Well I think the first year went really well and there was a honeymoon period and when they won that championship Kevin Durant was joyously celebrating the seconds left and I went over to half court line. I've been down I was like. Is this really happening today? Keep playing two dollars like he playing. We got fifty six and I'm they probably bought to win a title but after that a certain always in because we didn't change the conversation about him in media he wanted to be number one number one in the league. That didn't happen. People didn't react with. Oh my God. He's the best player in the NBA. Is He beat Lebron? It was more well. The warriors one seventy three games. They added Kevin Durant. What do you expect what you just described is Kevin? Durant has played for better basketball. Not then Lebron James but would you look back when they play one another. Nba Finals Lebron. Abbas more points more rebounds and more assists all as a matter of fact. He's the only player in the history of the ABA to advertise. Triple double against Kevin Durant in so that influence the dynamics of the team and created a situation where it seemed as though at a certain point that the warriors were getting more from Kevin Durant Kevin Durant was getting from the warriors and it seemed as though he was detaching in the second season and by the third season he had just completely detached during timeouts. Wrap a towel around his face and drift to the stanchion The basket you would just hang out under the hoop. We'll everybody else was talking during a time out is very odd and the other way was that he was not present in a lot of film sessions. I mean he was physically present but he was just looking at. The ground did not seen anything other times. Oddly enough you would just come to life and make a ton of great suggestions and his bazaars social media behavior was very much continuing at this time. Yeah I think social media stoked a lot of pain for durant or at least there was a bit of an addiction where he was constantly feuding with fans on Social Media Kevin Durant is potentially using what they call a burner twitter account to defend himself to fans on twitter. Now we all know Kevin Durant over the summer from his official at Katie trae. Five account has been clapping back at pretty much. All the haters. Anybody anybody and also you would direct message. Warriors fans and argue with them about the lack of credit. He was getting after games. He was always hunker down on his phone. Squirrel Squirrel Squirrel Squirrel Squirrel and a lot of athletes look at their phones in the locker room after games. But this was this was different. This was a lab normal and I guess that brings us back to his relationship with you and with other journalists. The way that you describe it in the Book Ethan Kevin. Durant seems to read and listen to just about everything that said about him. That was another fixation where he would be constantly battling with journalistic direct messages and getting mad at them for how they were talking about him. I just don't trust any time. I say something is good twisted up and throwing out in so many different publications. Try to turn me down with my words. I say so when I don't say. Nah As a problem certainly didn't like the things that I wrote when I said the warriors didn't expect him to come back. I wrote a story a think. It was called something like silence. Superstar in the presumed exit of Kevin. Durant are talked about how nobody I talked to. Within the warriors could tell me that they thought he was coming back. Nobody could not could not from various ranks. He disappeared for over a week. The New York Knicks made a massive trade with kristaps porzingis. They opened up all this cap space because they thought they were getting Kevin Durant and he disappeared and when he finally did approach the media again in a press conference after victory He effectively went off about the whole situation. Do Ethan Strauss who come in here and just give his whole opinion on stuff and make it seem like it's coming from me and he just walked around here. Don't talk to nobody said I didn't talk to anybody. I wasn't talked to anybody coming here every day. Actually about free agency is my teammates. My coaches you roundup. The fans about it. Let us play basketball us all on San and now I WANNA talk to your problem. Me Woman grow up you grow up. I got a little taste of maybe some sympathy for what he goes through. Because no it's not fun to have people on television debating whether or not you're good at your job but he kind of dragged me into as I call it the take zone that he lives so much of his life and how much of his dissatisfaction do you think came from the fact. That steph curry was so beloved by warriors fans the fact that you know no matter what Kevin Durant did he would never be embraced to the extent that Steph was. I don't know what he envisioned. It was pretty obvious to me. That steph curry was beloved in a way that was unique and was never going to be supplanted by anybody. Steph was unbelievable in this series as well as you are nine. Threes refiners record closes out with thirty seven and he still never wanNA finals. Mvp matter does it. We want to we want back to back. I don't they. Nobody worried about that type of stuff. You would complain. You Complain to media you complain to me that we were trying to rile up steps fans at his expense and Kevin Durant. He was at the free throw line in the playoffs against the clippers and the fans at Oracle arena were chanting MVP MVP MVP for Kevin Durant. As they often do for Steph curry after making the free throw he started batting away at the air just waving away insert a sneering at the fans. Redoing it The idea was that they didn't mean it or they did it for staff in a way. Don't almost seems like he was trapped because no matter what he did with the worst you would never be as accepted and adored by fans Steph. Curry was and at the same time. He was never gonNa be seen as the best player in the League. Because Lebron just has that crown in is never going to relinquish it just feel to you like there was no way for him to kind of win in either direction. There's no way for him to win of his fixation is on worrying about it. I mean here's something that we don't talk about. He had a plausible argument to be considered better than Lebron James but he was not happy. With how all these talk shows discuss him. Lebron's better a plane. That game and Kevin Durant has been arguing with these people and their direct messages for a couple years. I come in and go to work everyday on 'cause no problems. I played a right way. Try to play the right way I try to be. The best player can be every possession. What's the problem? What am I doing here? This idea of. It should be about the basketball. I should be considered this on the merits so it was something that he could have one of. Maybe he played the politics better but he always felt as though he shouldn't have to be alternately. Would you have to conclude either from watching the Bulls documentary or looking at how the Shack Kobe Lakers fell apart? Is that accomplishment? Even the greatest accomplishments that our society celebrates it's not going to lead to sustainable happiness. It just isn't if you're not a happy person. 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Qna's with your favorite writers original podcasts and more sign up to try the athletic free for ninety days go to the athletic dot com slash. The lead that's the athletic dot com slash. The lead to start your ninety day free trial today Ashley. So we all know the story of how Kevin Durant's career at the warriors came to an end to the way in Durant Greco's down holding his leg. He goes up and down the other end and durant grabbing right leg breaking news on. Cbs sports aid skew. It has been confirmed by Kevin. Durant himself a ruptured Achilles. Tendon has already undergone surgery. How do you think all of that? Impacted his legacy with Golden State and with the team's fans. I think it made the relationship with the fans a little bit better than it would have been otherwise because not only did he win championships for them. He put his body on the line and he suffered. He suffered trying to win something for them. And so that softens the blow of this acrimonious break up and I don't think he's thank the fans are he didn't win. He laughed and has done some things that might have resulted in a bit of a backlash. But it's hard to have that backlash if a guy ruptured his Achilles tendon. Coming back. Maybe too soon to try to get you your feel-good and try to get you that championship. So in a way in that moment I think it was the conservation of his Faustian bargain where he became beloved by the warriors fans but it cost him dearly looking forward to whenever the NBA does resume. Kevin Durant is of course now in Brooklyn and paired up with Kyrie Irving And those are two guys with very strong personalities who both like to be the top dog on their team knowing as much as you do about Kevin Durant. How do you anticipate that relationship and that team working out? Since so many people think it's going to go horribly a most wondering. Is this a situation? Where because we're so unanimous in predicting disaster? It's actually going to work out. Well I don't know all tend to go the conventional wisdom. It seems quite precarious. It seems precarious to combine those two in that situation with an organization that I'm sure is competent. I'm sure there are people within who do a good job at not exactly. Salt Lake Yovany Pat Riley type people running things and that organization. It's not like you have a track record of established glory were. You can tell somebody that you gotta fall in line For the sake of the Brooklyn Nets it seems like a shell That the two of them are running and they're both vol's hold their own ways and they're prone to Moody nist and you wonder about their surrounding talent. And so I guess I would say it's precarious and the smart money would be on it and dean not so happily and lastly Ethan. What will it take for? Kevin Durant to be satisfied Well I think initially the ultimate validation from everybody in the culture that he's the best player on the planet at least would temporarily do that but other than that. I mean. That's that's beyond my pay grade. That's not something I could figure out As to what happens after that moment ads. Well even thanks so much for coming on the show. It's my pleasure. Thanks ravening you can follow Ethan. Strauss's coverage of the Golden State Warriors at the Athletic Dot Com and. His new book is called the Victory Machine. Here are some other stories. We're following the lead after drafting Joe Borough with a number one overall pick last week. The bengals officially put an end to the Andy Dalton era in Cincinnati. He has been released by the bengals which it's not a surprise. Not a shock at all. Joe Borough is their guy. The bengals avoid seventeen million dollars in cash obligation to Dalton. And he's on the market now. 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Hour 1: Kevin Durant

First Take

44:36 min | 1 year ago

Hour 1: Kevin Durant

"What's going on everybody welcome into I the of the year two time Olympic gold medals ten time all star two time champion two time finals span plus original series the border it's bringing fans inside the business of sports featuring the one time I got mad at him this year was when he got mad at media it's not as where you're going and that is available now they got to check it out they gotta check I'm sorry good morning because it into everything with you and we had our compensation on the ballroom and go take it because I'm a New York native I'm not a DC native Kevin Durant that's why said like that I'm not I'm glad he's trying to answer that quickly let's move off from the champions and last night broken hand you saw that your thoughts what went through your mind he'll be back playing again but it was tough to you know to to see him you know just break his so you know hopefully it gets back and get healthy not that I got that out the way let's get into you every day I'm still slow process grinder or you holding out hope see that you can return yeah you're done we won't see you at all did she in Brooklyn the disconnect between the way his teammates seemed to like him and the media reports they're playing your relationship can you speak to Kyrie irvings personality hear that sound too so let's play that for Cajun continue to ask other people around me about what added something or you're happy that's a mood swing it's okay to be human like I don't have to be perfect themselves so I'm really hard to say much but as his teammate means no problems at all absolutely none the thing carries a great great player out of this world player so a lot of situations oh you think I think do you think that Kyri is especially Oh problems absolutely none hold on are you guys you say you guys you guys don't I've talked Carre on several occasions damn smart do and he's just a different kind of cat you know three and a collaboration youtube coming together in Brooklyn New York one of the biggest things he clearly you have he clearly has his critics as well and people have wondered what how you work every day and we ll in building up who we are as are we speak to the media really doesn't matter because we come to work every day as as professionals do do you you and I've spoken about that but for the national television audience for that we're all sensitive about something I mean we're just he'll miss I mean I mean that's just who I am I'm not GonNa Change who I am because people tell me I should act as a kid from the way it seems to me you were much less you think you've changed in that way and if so how Nah I always been the same person is I'll feel like everybody is on that what was it about the thoughts in your head that you didn't want to get out it fans a different different perspective from a player authentic and true perspective and sometimes get out of character on a basketball court and changed my game and I'll never do that I think you are the best in the world right now so to me when somebody kind of matchup you explained it explain it very accurately I might add but I guess what I'm asking restiveness the dog and the hell with Gimme the ball let me remind you who I am what that I support him in his place like he's a player that you can't the people try to say is that I wasn't assertive putting Russell in its place but my whole thing was the make all the plays and I play average thirty minutes a game almost my whole career so rain is another big personality and what have you a lot was made about the altercation state and go to Brooklyn speak to that at all the relationship you have with draymond green wait it it really came out of nowhere and for us you know everybody we to every day it was about my free agency everyday it was about my disposition as a player we'll say this I don't know of nonsense is the word that you can use if you listen to what dream on saying that he needed to apologize to you for how he came at you he said he refused route by what he said were you hurt how exactly was it was annoying for everybody on the team but dream on knew that he was out of line win but like he had his process how you wanted to handle things and I respect that and I have my process sure you want to expand expand on that at all how do you decide to leave just felt like I needed to switch I feel like a lot of stuff orange is getting older our contracts we're going to start with the team and put us in the whole to you've talked about a lot the fact that once you join Golden State that team is a juggernaut ups and the MVP's and everything yeah but how could they lose was going no I told you who my well my name wasn't who I am before you know you've I do every single day with or without championships but isn't your part of your craft Cetera isn't part of it leading a group of guys to be more than the I'm from all angles from a leadership standpoint just a player does the nets obviously any team would have wanted you why did you choose Brooklyn all the other we got you on the East Coast I'm considered last few years just as a up and coming franchise and to have an opportunity to be can I don't know how accurate this is I do know that I was told this didn't have any act on your career then he did that y'all wasn't necessarily bobbing Jason Ship or bad one I just came to work at home just like he did when you know like this stuff is all you believe I'm joking do you believe acted I'm sure I mean I'm not a doctor now I'm really I don't know the exact anatomy question as you reflect do you regret eh the moment like I was really excited to play with was there in four pressure to play not at all I mean it was like I told somebody before man we're celebrating it wasn't nobody else in my ear none of my team they said anything to me ownership. I'm sure he was there anyone who came to you and said listen this is what's about that before a game you know that was a me. Achilles was even a question I'd like to say to you I can say that you the best in the world like I said Iran they say when they hear you say playing the right because you're that great more is going to be expected of you did you feel isn't it you elected to play in the final really wanted to be in a final I've seen that okay and clay and trae mind I was thinking that I wasn't thinking about who I can Lebron James for as many titles as he had his career did you think about that at all I mean the in thought about that maybe I shouldn't have thought about that you know because we were down three one in this city hasn't had a championship in decades and decades and decades but it's basketball obsessed yet done in basketball or is it just another day at the office. I just WanNa play Jordan related you kind of things that people say about you again they recognize estate now you're going to Brooklyn Kevin Durant Ashen it he thinks he deserves this guy like Kyri urban to a response to that to those out there who say believe these kind of things about you I mean man my it's Kinda weird believe he's the best in the world I don't even look at stuff like that no more man I I from your point of view seems to be from what you've said today and listening beneath the athletes are now taking charge of Derek Jeter Lebron James You media just the work ethic put your head down and is there more to it what a boardroom isn't just about me a lot of different topics is not just about me. I'm not every episode so I'M GONNA force behind that people made like if you like it cool if you don't I'm sure there's other things you can get into but we voice and obviously listening to you go at the media on several occasions clearly really really trying to make inroads in that regard trying to help give play his voice essentially as well you know it's it's cool to see all the depot's doing outside of the game it's cool to Oh and I'm sure there's other people like me out of here turn to basketball analyst for a quick second I want to know your top five players obviously carry Lebron I'm missing a lot of guys I enjoy but Damian Lillard party Alaska career like when it's over what would you like to have done only Oughta just live every day and you know see what happens last question real quick are you it's not like hey I want to be the greatest ever because that's not up to me you guys are going to decide that anyway championships good for you how to write it doesn't a little part we hope to see you back on the course and here's another taste of the exclusive content whoever that was listening to him that wasn't as a basketball player. I meant what I said when I said no that's not what I was saying I was saying he so great how dare now exclusively on ESPN in a scary really scary very deep in the ground happy gyco download the industry-leading GEICO APP Today H- home field advantage right every single game was one on the road including last nominal team Strasbourg shirts a gutsy performance grant owned business of course but when I look at the Houston Astros you had what I don't understand that at by the manager Hinch but more importantly the biggest thing for me is what do you do you not only keep him in but then you ultimately I don't give a damn you don't want to see a reserve I don't WanNa see somebody coming out it's a relief since college I don't give a damn he is your ace array onto to what are you doing he shows up in a post these shows up in a world series we saw what happened we never saw Garrett Cole what did Martinez do for the nationals loan if necessary because he shows it to you as a startup pitching in the six or seven I think that's a good point and I said before the game all hands on deck it's game seven and by the way world series like this even if our Yankees weren't in it unfortunately there's an excellent reliever in fact the astros have an excellent bullpen like you giving up one run this else to go even if you bring in coal and he pitches well he might give up a run quick even if Cole comes in you can't blame the loss on that move what for eleven out I don't even pitches well he may not do that that's a big some Schettino that's right you can't just leave him out of line without bringing part of the problem is managers big guy who's assuming guessing now and terms of what they were thinking that would happen to be you so hot come the first of all let's be clear about something saying that was your best chance so greedy talk that's two separate arguments you're right we agree that the manager didn't was a not celebrated enough excellent middle infielder for years though he's not that anymore he's had big moments already and hits a late inning game winning the ball use your census for a second. I picked Houston so obviously I'M GONNA look at Houston glad as you are because you pick the nationals after Jessica Adult San Nick consideration we're talking about starting pitchers who the new one hit ball why is it rolls for me to say okay gone two years ago against Kansas City three days right and I can't forget him don't tell me that it is beyond the rubber comprehension on your own term could come on taking that would have at he'd that's still a long way from saying he would have gotten eleven out and knocked down ninth-inning with no one on base right I don't know what he was saving coal for the high leverage moment pitcher and put them in the game all right they're all telling us this I use the basketball analogy op calling their number if I'm the coach or the manager be how you be happy do you spend so much time there though the wizards read having on your button downs on talked and hoping for the best then stop it seriously seriously perfect length and were designed for guys of all shapes and sizes taller short slimmer athletic build sure to find the style to match any wardrobe so whether you're shopping for the perfect gift for the man in your life this Tom and don't forget to use Promo Code Zero S to save twenty percent on your first order at Checkout Asinine warriors lost steph curry fractured his left hand the two time NBA MVP oh clay is an action something really quick because last segment I kept saying eleven messner how bad is this for the warriors even I it's devastating it's first quarter how does that happen that's how horrific brothers a person and as a superstar NBA he represents everybody incredibly he's heard doesn't bother me at all what did I tell you what have oh they go it happened yesterday obviously a net play there was are we still has an awful lot left him. I don't know if we will have been able to say Klay Thompson my number one concern was what he's going to gain has ever seen and without Klay Thompson I don't like Steph the right who radio the left hand I hope they exaggerate it even if he's ready to come back and over the way they will have taken de Ngelo Russell or Steph exposed out the with a bunch of novices because they got like do you said that he's not GonNa make it through the year if you because of the offensive loaded left to carry we're falling in Swiping Adam people were doing exactly what you said they do and thing for the Golden State Warriors and you touched on it your last point that you made namely efficient player Liangelo Russell not that inefficient he's a good player his stock will consequently go up and they will be able to flip him because I think they're gonNA flip them and even if you sit here and go yeah but Max if you actually go out and do it average over twenty points bunch of assists make highlight reel passes games this year even with Steph curry there Dra- they'll they'll they'll be better off I tell you this how we all should pray that they don't come back to this down twenty nine points in the first quarter how does that happen something severely wrong with this franchise defensively right now north it's not just effort to the extent that used to be think about this if you had a defensive clay k. d. any one of those guys might fix the defense they I get it not like this of corn that's all I'm saying like this they should add another need I think we listen this is what I mean we have to take five years there's a lot that their bodies have toiled so will you look at it from I all need a break keep all need a break keep in mind really you know they traded all those Oakland where they might not GonNa win a championship challenge for one under any circumstances this is it's a huge hit because the west is still so good this isn't like years past where the only game a great player who the lottery easier and hungrily gotta leave it there.

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Kevin Durant

The Corp

55:18 min | 10 months ago

Kevin Durant

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D., which some of the harsher things I said we agreed we'd still do on part of my take we had that agreement, but we got to talk to him about the competitor what has what makes him great and I just love watching you sit with another great athlete and watch you guys kind of Jell together like Oh. Yeah. That's what made us. Special. It was so cool. I, mean, first of all I didn't realize how tall he was. I mean he's Yes a seven footer. They just drains jump shots from everywhere. He taught us so I think you guys are all find. It really shows how to shoot a jump shot doesn't mean the GonNa shoot like that. But what was most surprising and it was a pleasant surprise how smart? How Sweet? How sensitive he was? How much he is into business and then how much he told us about Lebron, James Yeah, he revealed a lot. Yes, and and the fact that you know there's a lot of people in today's NBA will be like. Well, these guys don't hate each other like they used to and that might be true. But what K. D. Connor explained was, Lebron, pushed him to be a better player and made him get in the gym. More and push that extra little bit to try to compete with the broad knowing that that's the bar who is that when you were playing, who is the bar funny because when you're saying that I was just thinking about you know magic and bird would always say I would be working in Indiana why new magic work in La vice versa. I think about Michael Jordan trying to beat the Pistons for me it was trying to. Be the Yankees and it was jeter was a Garciaparra we had like these great young shortstops coming up and then when I got to New York I needed to work so hard because I knew that big PAPI and Manny Ramirez and Pedro Martinez for the Red Sox. We're doing everything in their power to beat the crap out of us and we were doing the same exact thing. Yes, and it's great to hear someone. I. Mean like you just explained it but also when Kevin explains it like you think of the great athletes and you think that comes so effortlessly to them a lot of times but finding that one motivation finding that person they have to push themselves to be like it's fascinating and it was a great interview and like I said, we're going to get him on part of my take because we have definitely talked some junk him and. When he first when I walked in in, he saw me he was like, Oh you're the dude I was like, yeah. We we have some things got to discuss, but this was a great interview and really excited to have this be the start of season three with the core before we get into the interview a-rod. sponsors we've ever had because I remember when we first talked you told me the importance of investing in real estate and how early on when you started Seattle you're buying apartments left and right. 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Build a build strength though really you know I, my Achilles heel now no pain when I'm when I'm moving around anything like that but. Excuse me but just building up strength. So I actually like thinking about how I wanted to attack the interview I I see a lot of parallels between you a Rod, your career and Kevin's Zorin. We'll get to the business stuff, but the injury I'm interested in this and you can answer era as well because you were obviously out first entire year, you're out for a year this year Kevin. How hard is it to like stay connected to the sport to your teammates to like be locked in when you're out and away from everything for an entire year? Is Difficult especially when I love to play so much. I love being in the atmosphere so much and to not you know do my normal routine or to be around the team as much on a road, just to build a camaraderie especially with a new group that are more. Adeptly frills different. You know is one of those feelings whereas just like every day our low how fills up and down moves for me. Sometimes when I watch a game I turn all quick because I want to be in a game you know. So this it's just that is a long process manages sheriff state patient would all right another common denominator between K., D. is. That we both went to the big bad Yankees, the big bad golden state and a a team that had an embarrassment of riches and the Yankees and Golden State already world champions a lot of similarities there a few questions kind of walk me through what you're thinking with your inner circle. Why Golden State who was who was number three, and how was that a challenge fear? We'll been an okay see for so long I looked at I reflected on my time near as a player you know. What I did with the city and for my teammates all that stuff I. Really you know you can't deny stuff. But as a basketball player I look at the landscape of the team and how where I want to take my game. I felt the know Casey we had a lot of athletes on the floor and I was wondering main guys that was accounted for to be a skilled player, which is make threes. Trait plays and I wanted to be around more players that play like me. You know and go to stay steph curry who cashew you had Klay Thompson cashew to make plays audrey with dollar who's do everything. Ford and J Margaritas well. You know and I think our talent Mesh together in a felt like my game was gonna take the next step. If I was playing around some players like that kid he gave me one thing you've learned from each one of those players you mentioned and include coach curb because that was such a stellar group and your game just went to it was at a high level. It went to like out of this world. Yep were you on the team in your task during a certain? Thing, I was a had to your coach wanting me to score play defense move out the basketball when I was told to do those three things I really locked in on it and see and other guys is locking on their role. You know you didn't WanNa step outside your lane and do something you know different from the team. So I just really figured out what it meant to play on team and recurring and to be with Steph somebody that. So skilled at the game and. His method. So how he? Gets those shots off in his balance when he shoots no Shasta just to. His approach to his craft is a little different from nor whereas like he's always were focused on his balanced focused door, where's is art remers. Is Really hard to explain is is like. He's pretty good at everything when it comes to hand eye coordination in his like you could see a while he's working now. So just took the small Jones from him shooting ball handling and passing, and using your off hand and stuff like that and Klay Ges somebody who's a machine never stops go running around on the floor his jump shot a so quick as feet as always on time. So you know just. Rose more intricate parts of the game I tried to take from everybody the guy that that one thing Dan because I love this guy is Guy Green everyone hates him finish Rodman? Yeah. But he seems like such a key part of your team to give me one thing on him because I really like him. Well, he was he was Kinda Glue. He Kinda, if you seen a fire out there on defense, he was going to be to want to cover it up you. Know. So if somebody was in a post, for example, if I was in a post against the guy that was bigger and stronger than me anew, for fact, that Jerry was gonNA come over to have my back and help me out. So you know when you have guys that you can rely on the defensive side of the ball like that and someone who's proactive and seeing them play before happens it makes your job easier. It makes you more relaxed. There's a player so You know if you don't play the game your realize that stuff you know see the Florida game and when you look at Draymond, you only may see the antics as far as hype crowd apply wants to get hyper team but like the small stuff that he does and a game. Really. was beneficial for guys like Steph Claire Myself and made us really really feel comfortable office aside do you get mad when on his quest for both you when casual fans don't understand those intricacies of the game not to name names but I'm definitely one of them like when you know when when they make -ment and they're not seeing everything and they don't know everyone's responsibility in a certain set or whatever it may be that they then just jump to the conclusion that guy stinks that guy had a bad game you don't see the other stuff. I used to I used to get upset because I thought everybody who watched the game who chimed in on the game really pays attention like that but you know is moving so fast that a lot of happening in NBA so it's hard to focus in on the small parts of the game. So I get it as an entertainment aspect to it and people enjoy what they see from the surface level, but also some fans that Wanna notice information as well. So we'll try to give them too I feel like that's evolved with you. I feel like earlier in your career you might have gotten a lot a lot not anger but just more like, Hey, you guys aren't really watching the game. and. Then you realize most people can't watch the game at the level that you're thinking. A. Really no one can mean 'cause always looked at myself as a guy that developed this. You know I wasn't bore with this type of knowledge or talent for the game and I felt like if I love something as much basketball I mean people want to be in at twenty, four seven like they are. Now they should want to know you know the deeper parts of the game. So that's how viewed. That's what I thought. Everybody should viewed a game but on not reality. So. Good. Oh, I was GONNA say the one last thing on dream on. So I found this as kind of a parallels. Well, your relationship with dream on very criticized very it's under a microscope, your relationship with Derek, jeter under a microscope. Both of you when you see the media fans just deciding how you've interact with this person not understanding. Like how you actually interact with them day to day. Does that make you mad or do you like? Are you frustrated? You guys laughed you laugh with? Derek ever being can you believe the New York? Post thinks this when in reality it's this. Katie ONA. I mean. We we laugh sometimes sometimes, we didn't laugh you know. I think part of Being Brothers sometimes brothers agree disagree. But the one thing we agree with every day is here's a guy who's a five time world champion. He came up and did it in the greatest city in the world every. And it was my job as an outsider to mold into the Yankee. Way And it took me a while and I made a lot of mistakes imploded myself saying things that were forgiven in Seattle in Texas. But really shouldn't have been and I came to New York unprepared to a degree and I learned with boots on the ground and the one thing I can tell you that all of that came around in two thousand nine and when we were able to raise the banner. City. There's nothing like yeah like you said, I, mean you go to a season we around these guys every single day and Jay. Modern. I really, you know our relationship was pretty perfect up until. You know we had a argument on court in in L. A. But. That I felt like just you know media members and. You know just want to get deeper into the story and figure out why why do happen and you know once you once you WANNA go deeper into debt you know you've got hundreds and. Thousands of media members trying to act a story. It can get overwhelming at times especially for the rest of the guys on the team. So understood, why was a big deal because we were champions in? You know that was the first blow up everybody looked at us as like the perfect team but like. You know this is how basketball is sports is you get into it? You move on and you figure it out and we almost had a chance to win. And I also think what happens in sports a lot and you both have had to deal with this and again, this is probably partially my fault is that we love to build guys up and we love to tear them down and we love to see teams win, and then if they win more than once where like faulk these guys, we don't WanNa, see them win anymore and we love to see them fight. So it's probably frustrating. I would imagine from that perspective words like you guys loved me. You know one year ago, and now you hate me kind of deal. You know is really not that serious I, don't think is focus on it that much you know we come in and we we to be honest before like social media. The only thing you really worried about was like fans at the game like somebody heckle you hear near. But like you know is is if you stay off the Internet is really not that bad as a player, we don't really get to hear all of that. Stuff that goes on but the Internet is such. A huge part of our lives right now is hard to avoid it, and you know what it is is entertainment you know with the clicks for four and you know what people want to see at this point. So but it doesn't take it affects anybody's game out there on a floor or make a you know they don't make brass decisions out in public because of it but. Is Entertainment aspect. That is involved. Katie I wanted to be an NBA player so bad really when I was twelve years old I quit baseball. And thank God for mother she had two jobs. So she had the wits about her to realize that there's not too many Dominican players. Right and you know Felipe made a good run and boy. Harford to. Play but I then shifted back to baseball when you think about I grew up watching Larry. Bird versus magic. Isaiah versus Michael You when you think about Lebron James and K. D. number one is he that rival for you and if it is Lebron, how Lebron make you a better player? Wall says I was in ninth grade and turned on ESPN, one day Lebron James was guided people says the next Jordan. So in my mind, I was a six to like jv player. I didn't play Varsity my I, my my ninth grade year so. In my mind, I was like, this is the best player. So I have to be as good as this or have to look him in is at some point in my career. So. That was always in the back of my mind as I worked as I play. Games. Because that's what was told to me that that was the new guy that was the next Jordan so You know but that evolved into like you know it's just another competitor you know. So you know just having somebody has been around since I took basketball serious and we still playing against each other. That's pretty special to me that longevity. And you can call caller robbery you can call it whatever but to have somebody at the same position whereas we garden each other. play is is definitely special because he's one of the best players advertise floor. Do you think that the the criticism that the NBA has changed where guys don't hate each other like they used to? That's valid. I think guys respect each other, but you know is still level of You know a Ghazal we don't shake hands on a game or like wish I is is is is different right now as far as like we respect each other on another level and we understand that we all individuals and we come together to plan somebody else's team. But at the same time, we want to win a competitive fire still there but I is it is different feel rail amongst the players is like we all respect. The journey we took in and we know how hard is year here. So it's just is more open now that's also I. Think. The technology like know you can text easier you can interact you will mogilev relationship. You know they're you know what they're like just reading their twitter there. Whereas I'm sure in the nineties like what are you GonNa call like Michael Jordan going to call Isaiah Thomas. They could tax sure they would've era. Do you who is your guy? Who is Kevin Mentions in ninth grade? He Sees Lebron who is your guy that you're like I got to be that guy I have three and it was because those are the teams. We cover covered on television back. Then we just had cable and three teams were the mets with W aren't Keith Hernandez and I love Straw and then I I was a toss shortstop in forever people said you to play shortstop mercer you heard that the shooter you're taught to be good of a shooter for me that was cal ripken whose six foot four and obviously played. Many many games in the street and then third I would say was Dale Murphy because they won't be s and there was there were America's team and all these three guys played every day There were leaders, there were blue collar guys and. I came up watching my mother know serving tables as as a waitress and I just kind of you know gravitated to that kind of blue collar hard work from those guys. interesting so let's talk a little business. First of all the boardroom. When you did that did you just did you like blatantly decide you're going to rip us off or what was the idea that you're like? Oh, that's pretty good and why haven't we been invited aboard I can't a-rod like yeah. Let me just take that back. We say interesting the opportunity to. Bring a lot of people together to talk about stuff outside of his. You know fill to play and with the dawn outside of the game and. You know there's a lot of interesting topics out there a lot of interesting things that athletes are getting into. You know that are. that they've leveraged. Their platforms and to get into other fields and it's pretty, it's pretty interesting. So we just wanted to sit down and talk with everybody about what's the what's the most impressive either guest or lesson you've learned from talking to all these people? We had a the first season we had We had a few owners on bomber Josh Kroenke was bomber sweating Yeah. Yes and screaming screaming and. who else was it? A Rick welts WHO's Figured Michael Rubin on his well at some point at some point. But just to hear their perspective on why they bought these teams and direction that they see these franchises gone you know 'cause it's bigger than what we see on a court and there's a lot of stuff happening behind the scenes. That's you know changing economies and he states in any city. So is a pretty pretty interesting him talk about that. and. You said you want to own an MBA team at some point. Yeah. Era Era. Nyerere. GonNa, by the Yankees at some point less expensive to throw in a box whatever. But so what what's appealing to you about owning an NBA team I mean that seems I don't feels like one of those things where it's going to be a lot of work and wh what is the thing that you're like? I really want to do this I think this better. Leaving your imprint on a on a state on a city do game basketball's. A you know is what I live for you know is that's I guess the next evolution for me from being a player is to teach the game and a give back what I've learned, and also you know just from seeing a the the landscape of the NBA last thirteen years from a business aspect you know just been learning over that time and you know. Time I retire who knows what type of information and knowledge I'll have. So hopefully, I had a capitalist will cam. You know we have You know I was the very, very fortunate to play for one of my heroes George Steinbrenner. And he bought the New York Yankees Nineteen seventy-three for about ten point three, million dollars from CBS I believe and. I think he had a million or two of equity obviously the landscape of ownership has changed tremendously, but I will never forget this my first spring in two thousand four with the Yankees Spring Training you know we stretch run And report was on nine. and. You know three mornings in our. I just wanted to get there early. I just wanted to really just get to know just the clubhouse members of everybody around kind of the Yankee universe. It was very intimidating. The pinstripes are very, very heavy and when you first put him on, you feel him and his a tangible feel what was interesting as I was the first one to the park about six thirty in the morning. But. It was still dark out and through the mist I saw what I thought was a black BMW but it was blue. And it was seven fifty BMW? And I get closer and closer and I see the tag is GM's. George Steinbrenner first guy in the field screw seven o'clock in the morning six thirty and he is the of the next day and the next day, and then I realize the greatness of him and about once a week the clubhouse manager Robbie Cacuso was say a rod the boss wants to see you I said where in the Penthouse boy and I will go up there and and he was so great to me. He will write me his personal letters. He would say what are you doing battle tanks get up there let me see your band standard. It was awesome. What kind of owner is Kevin durant going to be. Good. Question. As that's commitment you know I think somebody loves the sport that loves the see development. Love. The see is players who will s that's all that sounds like an for me I mean. Mojo thing is like. I, enjoy I enjoy seeing players dwell on on the floor and I enjoy helping them develop in some way and I think as owner if you. If you if you want to see that everybody that works for you, you know you business only grow. So well, this pride attitude have with the you know probably less. probably not six thirty in the morning every morning. But so just always been involved and engaged and committed to which which were for and and knowing that you have a purpose in it. So that's that's just passion I guess, will you be the type of owner who like when you draft a new player? You play on one on one Jesse problem so I mean Michael Jordan ruined quonsett around. The. Pre. Workouts. Yeah. Sure. Just let them know. You like you could come back. He wanted to All right. So thirty-five ventures, what you invest in Thomas Different stuff is there like one common theme or thing you look for when you're you know trying to invest with a new company or New People? Move to something that we We'll start that will usually passion and stuff that we usually. You know It could be anything that we you know it's authentic to where we like to do any, and obviously the CEO's in the owners creators, somebody people that we wanna get and get to talk to be involved with. But outside of that is usually products that we we all enjoy. Yeah. What's your favorite one that you've invested in her the one? That may you're like most passionate abroad we're a ACORNS come. That was really a when I heard about that when I was game changes where you. Can Your change. I guess you change. At pay something, you can invest the change roles over the out. Rounds up exactly. So that was that was That was pretty informative. I thought I was dug in posts obviously is pretty cool to. Do, you get a discount. No. All right. The special code or something you have one of the most dynamic people in Sports as a partner in which climate I've known rich almost years and I mean he's the ultimate gritty. Kind of call those guys PhD poor hungry, and driven I met his father yesterday. Great Guy Great style rich. They didn't get the style, but he got the brain. But I I love what you're doing because you're thinking so far ahead and you're only thirty one years old and already thinking what life is going to be a forty, one, fifty one, and the way you guys do it not only do you make perfect team but I am excited and I think you and I with the Corp. we're going to do a lot of excitement things. We let Dan Because Dana's in parole right now with my company but his permanent. When you think about deploying capital, you know how small check would you in hall large check? Would you're right this we talked about that recently is something that we definitely WanNa. Start right larger checks and seeing what academic as we we worked our way up You know first few years and and getting into the game getting on a little bit. But now what are you know just did knowledge that we have no try step it up another level it so you can check for your damn. Yeah. Well, I've I still haven't gotten a check. So, I will work for. Corporate, view. Jack warrants warrants yeah. I'm ready for I'm ready to get paid by whoever the highest bidder, which is literally one dollar at this point That's crazy though the acorn thing I was reading about it I I actually love that idea. So it's basically for people who don't know it's a company that when you make a transaction, it rounds up and puts it into an investment. So it pushes is younger kids people in their early twenties to start investing earlier in life, which is I mean I don't WanNa get political, but the baby boomers have stolen all the real estate and money in the world so it'd be nice if we could get A. Little some some for ourselves Danzon how old is your child? Now five months five months. So with ACORNS, one of the things that it tricks, you almost two savings right and we have so much change which is throwing away. The idea is that you go to starbucks is five dollars and forty cents rounds up sixty cents and it puts it in a fund where starts invest in there for you and your savings and you're not even thinking you're doing it before you with your your your young child you can put in five dollars a day and when your child is sixty, one years old, he would have on five million dollars MS compound interest. That's. That is crazy I. You're going to say when he's sixty one years old earth will be exploded. Yeah I agree yeah that's a lot of money Kevin. What's what's what's the next step for your shoe? Line. I don't like your shoes what went in. There the metal thing in the back I think it's because I have like fucked up ankles. Pinpoint. The first time that. Kevin and I watch football on Sundays. DM. I was playing I was playing like six in the morning down the street just like a regular pickup run and I had an instagram story of it and I said like all his life and having just slid in the entities that get that get that. Shit. Outta here and I was like, yeah, that's probably right You'd probably Puke if you watch me play bass pro I didn't say I, didn't say that. Did it I think you said like Oh so fuck out of here you get get court I was like fuck out of here fuck gotta get off my quarter something like that and I say fuck out here. Okay. Well, really you talk a Lotta Shit about basketball. Athletes draft and I don't mind it. But you I mean, no, I'm not an athlete you've got to play. If you WANNA, Talk Shit About Basketball League play a pickup game at least once I play every week. Then you can talk Shit Okay I love basketball I do I, play every single Saturday morning. So maybe you come to a runoff showed how it's is that indoor or outdoor indoor nice I play outdoor to summertime outdoor yes. Summertime outdoor half court. So as a little bit because it's hard court let let's talking about ankles from. Man Dan Seriously Brooklyn Nets. Joe Si-. one of the great businessmen number two to Jack Ma and Alibaba went to Yale a brilliant brilliant investor and operator. what about him and Brooklyn, and whether we're going enticed you to come to the great city of Brooklyn was a new owner in deathly excited about basketball and Been Direction Nets were gone so I felt like. You know having that new energy in organization is going to be good moving forward. You Know Joe Cy definitely appreciates having players like myself encourage airs veteran guys won championships. As he enters into the NBA I think that's only gonNA help him out. As he moves through. So there's a great partnership looking forward to actually get out on a court plan for the nets but through in the meantime has been been pretty cool bitter relationship with everybody and organization. I can't wait when you come back as we're going to be in the building. That's GONNA exciting. So also Some Knicks fans it's going to be in there. Too Yeah Oh. Yeah. Are you when you decide to go the nets? Was it a somewhat easy decision? Yeah, yeah I mean. Yeah. Who's happened pretty fast you know 'cause I've been I was thinking about it for a long time right? where I wanted to take my life at this point notches like free agency just where wanted to live where I wanted to do in the next five years of my life you know and being a New York City being around family and friends. You know Maryland is two and a half hours away. So my family could come up on a train pretty easily back in Mecca basketball I felt You know it was perfect for me. So you know it was all that stuff Kinda I was thinking about it throughout the whole season in any kind of July first it was like I'm ready to be done with it. How much does when you're in free agency much is like Jersey colours team colors play into it. The black or white. Like. That's a Cool Jersey like. No offence to some of the other franchises out there but black white played a huge. Here's a couple of teams out there that I wouldn't even consider if our free agent, the new City Edition Jerseys, I do I like the city edition. Jerseys. The court color is a little confusing. it's it looks like a is different gray. Like a mountain west feel like if I was watching Colorado steeply UNLV. But I'll get used to it. But okay. So good to know that they actually that actually does play at least like one percent you're like at least have cool colors. Okay. Absolutely I mean it should importer question that it is important. 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You mean, coast coach bars at the time he was head coach for pile on say at least ten years I might be more often at, but he had built a culture that I that I really was drawn to. You know having from TJ Ford to Lamarcus PJ Tucker to so many guys miss. But he had built a nice culture of like were development. You know we know you're a great player, but it really doesn't matter. You have to get better as a player like he didn't cater to me. He didn't. He really was the hardest on me and and I took to that because that's how I was raised playing the game you know so. Obviously I wanted to. Austin is when I went down there for visit is I know is no point in me going anywhere else But also wanted to be so far from where I grew up. That I just wanted to be by myself in an environment with different people you know. So it was a four hour flight from home like people couldn't drive and pull up to the Games just I really felt isolated out there was the best part is you enjoy? Plan for the team in that excitement at that point because we were a young group in. I was a freshman I was doing things never been done before and just the excitement around campus. We just WanNa National Championship in football here before so is like so much going on on campus baseball team was solid. So it was his boom it was bowman in for Sports Austin was boomers. Stop. Yeah it was taken off. I was seeing new buildings go up. You know every other month I was seeing more people saying they're moving down Austin in visiting. So I go back now it feels like you know you're in San Francisco almost so. It's great to to see how far is coming into a attached at Texas for the rest of my life is is is pretty sweet to do you think it's the right move that they're getting rid of the one and done probably at least in the in the near future Moseley you know I think is. Is is corrupt in a college game. You know when you forcing these guys who know that she'd been NBA go to college you know is not. Is Not really doing much for these programs have them there for just a year and ship them out you know. So it's not really making a college game. Great but you know these guys got. To make the choice to to go pro when a one if you could if you had the choice when you were deciding, I mean, obviously, you didn't have the choice but if you did have the choice to go into the NBA directly from high school, would you done it? Yeah I pretty much had no choice. He's coming from nothing basically. Yeah. You see that in front of you, you gotTa take him as my Gina. Plan to. League. So for shore. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. So Kevin, yeah I, know that you're. You have a great relationship with Adam silver. Who's done a phenomenal job on one of the Great Commissioners You what the NBA's done is incredible. They really connected with the next generation You have over one hundred employees team members on the floor. In China you have over five billion dollars business in China. You know obviously I love baseball and I love your champion on the court, your champion with philanthropy. Now you're being becoming a champion at thirty five ventures. My question is if you were to be commissioner of Major League Baseball for just twenty four hours. What can of things would you advise us to move the game forward and make a younger must have? Mean you guys see I. Don't know much about the system obviously as much as the NBA, but as a young player. I mean. We got teams full alike, eighteen or twenty, two year olds and your face. A franchise now is probably twenty three Saudi. League is getting younger in general because guys are coming in at that age in you know usually bad teams again picks out the picks out the picks for the young guys. So it pushes the older guys out the veteran guys out and I. think that's making our league a little bit more fun more energetic and more. Kid Friendly. And Baseball is I don't I don't feel like it. It's that many still that many teams that that has their young energy I guess that tradition hardeep deep sport is. How many levels you have to get to get through just to make it to the big leagues You know is this there eliminate a lot of those minor league teams? initiatives for Commissioner Rob Manfred is he's making it a little bit leaner and probably faster to get to the major leagues. Yeah I mean I. Think you know. Definitely grows the been it keeps it fresh when you've got young fresh talent in there at all times always circulating through. So you know never know who's going to be the next superstar you WANNA see to same guys over and over again as a fan just walk right so you know just making our league younger is definitely you know made it more you know more carefully and more people watch it because they. Love to see 'cause now you're gonNA see these guys from eighteen to thirty six. Oh, you say now four life of these guys now and not just one or two players but like a whole leaf for the guy is being Agata grew up in. DC. Did you have a little cocktail for the nationals winning championship in ninety five years? I was yeah for sure it was crazy that we didn't win a home game. But it was amazing to see to the reaction to a man it was A. It was a long time coming, but the have the mystics and caps. See Champions, champions behind you that shirt we can was the risk is come aboard. We'll have the city a chance I don't know I, mean I might take maybe she might have to buy the redskins before you buy an NBA team are we got think we might as well just go ahead change our color scheme to the navy and the railway. Yes. What's your favorite sport to watch besides basketball football? Yeah. I feel like I get a new sport every other year I was really watching baseball bought the package a couple of years ago trying to a movie packages. So many numbers ahead to now I had to work. So many stats figure out yes, and it was It was definitely time consuming. What about soccer have you done that yet? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What's your motor basketball? Yeah it actually is like when you watch. It in the movement and guys making plays that are you know like they'll be a buildup to a big play that similar to know moving the ball and basketball is a lot of grace that has to be involved when you plan. Yeah. Kind of flows like water out there. So Dan, I'm GONNA give him a few questions. I'm interested in knowing who has game and I want you to kind of do a little rapid fire. best shooter natural shooter you've ever played against you could include yourself as natural shooter. Played with Joe Harris yet. I mean Steph is the best natural shoot like here at the point now that you can't even include him shooting conversations because he's one and we're gonNA talk about the rest. But natural I will say like. Steve Novak. Was a great natural shooter like that's all he probably did as a kid was shoot about law handler best handle. Career. Best Rebounder Is a tie between Dennis Rodman and Andre Drummond best defender, Tony Allen, and the best clutch money player. cogos scared shitless Kobe late in games. why did you? Why can't we do slim reaper is the nickname why did you not let it wasn't Tom is Tom now it is. faulk. Yes. The best nickname of all time it wasn't tom back. Then it really is like I think about it more than I should probably once a month Mike Damn I wish Kevin Durant was slim reaper this some simmering underneath with the yeah because that's I mean it's like especially you know late game and be finals here comes to slim reporter snatcher soul is Tom now back then I. Too good of a nickname for me to just take that as that's actually fair. I never thought of it that way like when you're twenty one would probably be tough to be the slim repeal like a rather wait till to. Cook, did you like the ranch? No. Okay. You that one's Kinda Corny. Yeah. Can you went to the White House in kind of two fifteen point sixteen year and I understand there was a private meeting between you and President Obama. A. anything you can share or is there something about Obama the that inspires you that motivates you role model anything we talked about some stuff that how can help in my community you know being from that area So we talked about different things, different programs that that can help with. Well, side is a huge basketball fan. So at that point, I was just going into free agency and everybody in the world wanted to know if I was leaving the thunder. So that was the first thing he asked. Gone. You can't. You can't go there with those those those shooters over whatever too much. I was like in my mind I was like that's why I'm going. Yeah but now he's a he's a huge fan of the game and you could tell that he loves watching. Did you. If, you played with him would you let him score? No I'll play woman before you did and how was his game? It was cool. You know you don't really want. I was twenty one at the time. So I was really nervous to really get into it and I was it was a it was a more and after a long light. So's you don't WanNA fight by had secret service. Snipers. Right. But The play play who's was don't like I've Seen Obama play and he clearly knows how to play but there's definitely an element where he's had he's probably put up some numbers that may be are slightly inflated definitely because I mean how hard defensive of right on the president right I don't think yeah, I. Don't think your hand checking the president also can't you're at a point in your career? Will you've pretty much done at all and? You've reached a an economic level that as a kid, you never dreamt up as it all of us really either were lucky to be doing this. My my question to you is at this point in your life if you were to cure curate dinner for five, who will be the other four that you can bring to your dinner Obama. Who else. I'm free. I am very your brain you Probably months. You put us a tough one. Tough. One Elon Musk. He's kind of fraud I think. Joe Rogan okay. Interesting US good one. It's good. Makes you almost. I don't know I mean I feel like he starts a bunch of projects and he never finish them. We think about the new truck. They've through you see them through the rock at it. I mean putting. Promise me. You know armored glass and then it broke. All right. Is a pickup truck. Yeah I. Know. I. Was like what the Hell sounded. What happened I just want like just stick to one thing me to Mars I want to go to Mars I want to go to the bottom of the ocean I don't know it feels like he just jumps from project to project WHO's going to build that like I think he tried to invent did he do to hyperloop to like what's what's up with the hyperloop? Where's that was see the hyperloop so you can go from East Coast West Coast, right? Right. I'll understand how you could do that physically. That's what I'm saying I want like I feel like every time he starts a project get excited about it and then all the project of like the cars in the flame throwers everyday South Carolina. SPACEX is like cool but I wanna see something from that right? I want like send someone Mars, have them like do a you know a periscope from ours and then I'll be impressed. So at this dinner, we could yeah Joe Rogan. And Like I'm definitely in All right. So we're going to wrap up here in a minutes social media where you at social media these days. Took a turn for good way where you kind of embrace the fact that, hey, guess what I'm online who cares you pick I still have burners that I use Oh really for sure. Okay. I feel like almost every athlete has Bernard Abbot Bernard twitter account still it was ever treated me no. Okay. See where people use that burner thing against me only thought I was just to talk shit I was really indulgent a lot of different communities on my burner. So right what I deleted it I like what the I, this people really made me delete what I enjoy. which is my burner account, right? So I got another one. Talked to France just to do my thing on you know I like that but I'm at my peak and onto that I think a lot of a lot of my followers enjoy my content I agree I th I said I think the burner. Not. Controversy. But like you having a burner was almost turning point whereas like absolutely you dealt with like, yeah. That was my burner I. Love It. So I was like I felt embarrassed who knows lay after a while just like really is just is just social media right and now it's kind of fun being like Yeah Kevin Durant's online and actually don't. Think he cares I. Think there was at one point in time there was like a lot of, Oh, I'm triggering Kevin Durant and there are a lot of people would send me Em's of like you responding to them being gotTa postseason like I I he responds to everyone. So I look at it. If you send me a DM, I, must've triggered you somehow. I like our bombeck. I'm just giving you what you want. So. When you sent me a DM Imus triggered you did yeah 'cause I was playing basketball. I actually. So back to your shoes real quick. What's the next iteration? The the problem with your shoes that I have is it my ankles do suck and I need high tops. So that's the only problem. Otherwise are good shoes. Yeah. Well, we got hardtops Okay. Couple couple months. So size twelve you know the address here offer locker down the block. Obvious. I will be unofficial Kevin Durant athlete if you need me. To that might actually work? Yeah guys like you to running up and down the court I'm a big time show the shoes aversa. Don't shoot I pretty much rebound and set picks play hard defense they bill bare? Yeah. I don't I my game is very simple. It's basically I don't shoot unless I get the rebound myself. Most of the time, I still don't shoot because my shot is terrible. So we'll just keep hoop man is gonNA come around I do love it. Yeah I. Mean It's not an thirty four some I'm not gonNA. Come. Round thank. Bill Simmons flays much as you. Know not as much anymore would above Robbie lumbergh I don't know I mean airplay honestly do play once a week. So descent, do you think other guys in your field play as much as you probably not what Abou- skip bayless you'd think he plays no. ME. About. one more nick. Right. I know Nick I'm friends now does he play? I don't think he plays ashamed I don't know there is an element I kind of shows I mean I i. Get some shots I mean admittedly not good at basketball but I do love playing and I think it does add an element of it almost like every time I, go out and play on remember how fucking hard this is close to the game right right talking about playing I'm getting a little NBA fever here. Okay. Katie you one of the greatest shooters of all time you can can you show me first of all put your hand in this thing parsoes like a baseball on your show you what I used to do when I was shopping where's the camera hank get in here but they're all over the place. I used to lay on the floor like this watching Martin in an when the commercials hit. Every commercial lay back like this are not. Like that. I used to just sit there and I just you know every tunnel put the ball up now stuck there right spin it would you spend sitting there holding it and will you visualize visualizing Larry Bird I'm just like no it was just keep make sure my is in spot spotted autom- position again so. I'm land alway down Florida's. Nice. So I did that I did that much. The way. You can't even see the court when you really GonNa do that after Kevin. Solid guts. No when I, my shot gets wet every now and then shot gets wet. Yes. It does what does that mean? It's just what just money you know what you see when it gets wet. do you say balls life? Yeah I needed. I always feel so lame stain it but I love saying it like I get it bulbs life you know hoop dreams kind of thing would not really Okay. Any last questions? It's been awesome. Yeah. It has really been awesome. Is there Thirty one years old Kevin Durant world champion Mvp you've done it all. Who is Kevin Durant and what are you doing at the age of forty one to forty five in a perfect world I mean I so hard to say, but I mean at this point, just prioritizing my mental and just making sure I'm just prioritizing piece whatever comes from that it comes from that. So you know it's a crazy world we live in planning planning professional sports in front of people. Self does realize what I'm doing for and realized. You know who I'm doing for, and hopefully by that age everything is just set. Yeah in Dallas you close. But I just want to say that I've been a huge fan of what you've done on the court the way you've conducted yourself with your family, the way your grandmother raise do and you know first of all God bless I'll continue to speedy recovery. Now Hope you and your partner rich keep killing it. Thank you with thirty five venture. She should yeah Kevin Thank you I've said some things so follow my bad. Keep saying no I listen. You know you can. Be One of those guys that Shit and then when the. Still, when you do things, I will say when when you are being triple be I will say it. Hoda, would've triple. We'll talk about that. Triple we'll. Talk about the next part yeah. Yeah. I started I started a fight between he and CJ mccollum. Yes wow. I. Was at the center of that and then every other news source just crop me out like, yeah they're just fighting for no reason it's like actually it was. Because of me because I'm jerk online and. Yeah Professional. Troll me too. Yeah, exactly. That's why we get along. All right. Well, Kevin Thank you so much man best of luck talk soon.

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Ezekiel Elliott, Aaron Rodgers, Cleveland Browns and Kevin Durant

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Ezekiel Elliott, Aaron Rodgers, Cleveland Browns and Kevin Durant

"Take clay travis host of the out kick coverage podcast. Join me every day as i give you the nation strongest opinions on the biggest stories in sports if you're looking for a sports podcasts casts smarter original funny and authentic alka coverage of clay travis the perfect podcast for you i even recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with clay travis which featured long conversations with the biggest names in sports business entertainment. Listen on apple podcast or the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts cast thanks for listening to the podcast be sure to catch us live every weekday from twelve to three eastern nine to noon pacific on fox sports radio n._f._s. One find your local station for the hurt fox sports radio dot com or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to fox sports sports radio. Oh here we go into thursday pack. This is the heard wherever you may be however you may be listening. We are live in los angeles on iheartradio fox sports radio and one urban meyer and forty five minutes greg cosell next hour kris haines on his interview with kevin durant stopping by today. Were absolutely packed. Joy is on assignment of veteran newsman john goulet. We'll be updating us on an n._f._l. Trade that's taking place today with the browns and the texans it is so great to have yen. Let me start with this. I am really enjoying enjoying. I never knew that jerry jones and steven jones were pro wrestlers but they are tag team partners one day. It's jerry banging on zeke. The next day at steven jones banging on d. Then it's jerry banging on zeke and steven jones banging on these guys are tag team partners w._w._e. Which by the way it's coming to fox very soon. Let me go to the first thing jerry came out. Remember that and jerry said you can win. Super bowls without star running backs and then stephen came out and said couple days later. You know any money we give zeke is just taken away from other cowboy stars and jerry came out yesterday and said albert alfred morris the running back they signed has the best feel of any running back i've ever seen and and then stephen came out later in the day with rich eisen and said he won't call us back. Here's stephen jones. How often are you talking with. Zeke's seeks team very rarely. There's this perception out there about negotiations. You know there's all these ongoing talks and go on hours at a time and you no that's just not the case you kind of set the the boundaries of where you think it should be and certainly <hes> you know they're all represented by a very sharp people and they're trying and do the best for their client and you kinda that there and you stew on it and you think about it. You know you're always trying to think of something that might bridge the gap. Okay so remember over. This is the latest thing it's a tag team partner jerry. You can win super bowls without great running backs steven. You're just taking money out of daqing amari hands jerry yesterday alfred morris has the best feel of any running back i've ever seen and then stephen jones comes out later and says nobody's returning our calls. We're not not close okay so this is tag team zeke. Are they getting nervous. Are they getting anxious. Now i've fell from the very beginning. Jerry and steven have been very shrewd food with their public comments but there is a reason they are going out in public. They are trying to put pressure on zeke and i think zeke has two things going for forum here and there are not the things that people think why he's a great player. They need two things going for him number. One jerry jones seventy six years old. He doesn't want to waste another their season. When you get older in life you just don't have time to waste when you're on the back nine of your mortality. You're not going to waste time you. You want to get things done. You can tell you the older. I get the less time i'm willing to waste because i have less time on the earth. That's an advantage for musique. An older owner has won a super bowl in a while finally as a roster doesn't want to waste a season and the second thing that i think helps zeke is in the division vision philadelphia is great well coached carson wentz and they have all their young stars signed but even out of the division asian the n._f._c. is loaded all give you nine teams not in dallas as division that i think are capable of making the playoffs the the falcons the saints in the panthers the packers the bears the vikings the rams the niners and the seahawks. That's just out of the dallas cowboys n._f._c. east division so i think those are big advantages. The n._f._c.'s loaded the division philadelphia. Maybe a super bowl. Favorite jerry is seventy six years old. There is a reason that jerry and stephen on a daily basis are coming out and doing a tag team on zeke. This is not this is not a time to not have all the ammo for the n._f._c. east the n._f._c. with an ageing owner so i think it's a blast to watch. I think it's really fun. <hes> by the way zeke is shut it down. Zeke's mexico's zeke's not talking zeke's not colin colin to understand. He has leverage here because this morning when i see stephen jones talking and jerry talking about how great alfred morris's cowboy leadership getting a little tight in a little closer to games getting a little anxious feels like at this morning kind of feels like it all all right. Let me shift to this. <hes> aaron rodgers time you know i think aaron rodgers is great but when the comparisons were made years ago to tom brady. I said well well. He's got a better arm but i think there are certain leadership skills that tom has that aaron does not have. I think errands talented. He's more mobile. Maybe he's a better athlete got a better arm. I'm not disputing that of course aaron has thin skin and things i don't like him. I think aaron's greats one of the ten best fifteen best quarterbacks in the history of the game. I've ever seen and i've seen all of them that matter. I'm not joking outside of auto graham a._m. Johnny united. I think i've seen most of the great quarterbacks but it's interesting finally another member of the media the sports media n._f._l. Media is recognizing what i'm recognizing so profootballtalk came out yesterday admitted aaron rodgers criticism of joint practices which he did yesterday today amounts to criticism of new coach matt leflore pro football talk also acknowledged in the last two weeks three weeks aaron rodgers has criticized besides his new coach twice one on the audible thing he didn't love the restrictive nature of matlock lures audibles and to buy coming out and saying and this is what aaron said in the last forty eight hours in regards to the packers joint practices with other teams quote. I don't think live special team. Drills are smart the kickoff especially dangerous. I just don't think it's the best use of joint practice. So what are you saying. This is essentially the equivalent to an eye roll to your coach. This is the equivalent of calling your coach stupid. If tom brady came out and said you know i think these joint practices. I think these special special teams drills are not very smart. You say that about bill what he question bills audible system. This is the iro to iro before the season starts starts by the way isn't jeff saturday former packer the one that came out and said aaron would roll his eyes at mike mccarthy's play calls. I didn't aaron rodgers lead the n._f._l. Last year in throwaways by a mile basically acknowledging before the place started. I hate it. I'm throwing the ball out of bounds. This is the gap that i've discussed for years. Brady and aaron aaron is condescending. Aaron goes public with it. Aaron take shots at superiors auto control practice. It's not very smart. That's the gap that is the gap. It's not talent. Errands got arguably more of it but i mean ask yourself. If you were a high school coach your high school football coach coach and your high school quarterback came out and said yeah. I don't think these joint practices are very smart. The highschool coach would go down and talk to his high school quarterback if two came out in college if they had college joint practices and to the quarterback at alabama said. I don't think these joint practices are very smart. Nick sabin would bring mm-hmm into his office. The difference here is matt leflore. The new packer coach has to eat it because aaron rodgers is a he's an icon and he's rich and he's got a super bowl rang and he replaced farve and i ll is and he's worshipped. You know mostly. He's he's one of the great talents of our time playing quarterback but make no mistake these comments. Thank you pro football talk. These comments were essentially the equivalent the audible comment publicly and special teams comment publicly there an iro which which is all. I've been saying for years errands talented but he's condescending. They did a study years ago at the university of washington years ago about why couples also get divorced. It's not cheating. It's not money they could predict with ninety nine percent accuracy. Why couples would get divorced. They would interview couples. They'd sit down for a couple of hours. They'd asked the couples together all sorts of questions and they can predict with ninety nine percent accuracy if they would get divorced and do you know what the factor was that the social scientists or the psychologist could spot. I rolling condescending adding not respecting your partner that just led to a packer divorce and already in a relationship. We're not even to the preseason games yet. These are calm waters already. Aaron is doing what teammates have claimed he did with mike mccarthy. Sometimes you gotta eat it. You don't want to go public public. You could tell your coach in private but aaron makes a point of going out making it public which essentially is kind of embarrassing your head coach. I don't want this this system. This is stupid. Why are we doing this. Those are private conversations so again. Aaron just got a divorce from a football football. Coach throwaways led the league. I rolling in the huddle. This is what causes divorces in real life and it's it's it's it's just nice occasionally that i don't have to carry the water for the criticism of aaron rodgers in america that he's not perfect. I mean we're always willing to say tom. Brady is not very athletic. Tondo didn't get mad. He let me make fun of that on twitter. He makes fun of that. Does everybody have to say aaron rodgers perfect or can we acknowledge now more eye rolling because that's all these quotes are there the equivalent of eye rolling which has been my primary criticism of erin for a decade. We've got a trade coming in the n._f._l. Just got finalized. I think it's very good for both teams and kevin durant sat down with chris hanes and said had a lot will break down that all of it coming up here on a thursday middle of the night hot tossing turning. 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Christine stops by to talk about the kevin durant article. I've got some thoughts on that <hes> so there was a deal made this morning. The houston texans traded a fourth round pick to conditional fourth round where could become a third rounder to cleveland. <hes> the browns now have nine picks going into next year's draft as of now cleveland gave houston a really nice. I think number two running back in the n._f._l. Johnson the very very high end number two who running back not sure he's a one cleveland didn't need three running backs. One of my can criticisms of cleveland. They got too many mouths to feed when kareem hunt comes back. They're gonna have kareem hunt nick chubb. They don't need a third running back. They've already got more than enough tight end talent wide receiver talent running back town. Get some better offensive line talent <hes> <hes> i like to move by cleveland move running back get a pick for next year accumulate draft picks you can use them or you can use them for a trade to get a more veteran player later. Also also houston is a very good football team people forget. This houston won the a._f._c. south last year. Not the colts houston reeled off nine straight win. Houston got off the bad start and was really good at the end of the year. This solves a realist issue for houston okay because this team's that got great defensive line talent great young and quarterback superstar wide receiver now. They have two very capable running backs. They have very athletic linebackers now houston. Go out and solve your other issue left. Tackle trent trent. Williams has been a very very good washington redskin for a long time. He's the best player they have in their team and he is adamant he will not play for them and trent williams is a man. He is washington's best player and he's adamant. I'm not playing houston needs a left tackle okay because they have the other components. They have the other two legit running backs star receiver athletic linebackers star young quarterback who i really liked john watson very good athletic linebackers. They need a dominant imposing force on the offensive line. They've cobbled together. It was putrid last year reports are it's better but it would have after be so i think for houston. This is a win now. Move this is a we're close and i agree with him. I think houston is close to houston doesn't have a history history of winning those big games especially away from houston but this is kind of a win now move <hes> deshaun watson stolen that young rookie contract. This is what we see a trend going around on the league get young guys quarterbacks on that roster bring in players now and win cleveland's doing it with baker. Mayfield jets are doing it was sam darnold. Rams have done it with jared golf. Cowboys are have tried to do it last couple of years not as much as i would like with the prescott all right here's veteran newsman john goulet turn on the news. This is the headline news so call and we've all seen the disgusting pictures of antonio brown's feet which where reportedly damaged during a cryotherapy session where he didn't wear proper footware yeah apparently if it's negative two hundred you wanna have clothes on yeah <hes> e._s._p._n. Sal paolantonio reported that brown round has extreme frostbite and there is no timetable for his return. Sean hard knocks you practice one day and that was it. He can run really fast in a straight line. Apparently anything more than that. It's too damaging to his feet. I don't know how there's extreme frostbite. I would think any form of frostbite his fairly extreme yeah how much of oh promises can be for the raiders yes to learn a new system. He has a new quarterback. There's all new receivers around him. Well him yeah. I mean running back. You can be late two camp wide receiver you should not. There's a reason tom brady takes his receivers in the off season to work time and those are the ones he plays with every year. This is a totally new system from baker mayfield came to l. a. work with oh b._j. E._j. and landry looked like the quarterback. This is like a trend in the n._f._l. <hes> a lot of top quarterbacks go fine. They're wide receivers. They go on a vacation worked vacation and right and they work with their. They don't work with their running backs. They don't work. They work with their wide receivers because it's timing position so i think it is something while and and he's the kind of guy though he wants the ball all right. He's going to get upset if he doesn't get the ball house. Dare kargonaov trust throwing the ball if he doesn't have any rhythm with him. He's gonna be a more comfortable with ty williams or any of the other guys well. That's right tiro williams's his in camp <hes> he was the chargers third-best receiver and will now be the second best receiver and because he's in camp and the timing derek probably trust him or early in the year so how many people know if you're a fan of the show that you love jets quarterback sam darnold. I've always been a big fan of his <hes> bad news though he may have finally done something to make view mad cow boy darnold was asked to be a part of a video wishing. Tom brady happy birthday. Which other stars drew brees into shawn watson agreed to participate dissipate in and sam darnold said no he would not wish tom brady a happy birthday. He's you're liable. Why would you wish i totally love darnold not by the then. You're gonna like this quote unquote. I'm going to get every competitive advantage. I can because he's going to do the same thing. He's the ultimate competitor. He's exactly where i want to be <music>. I'm his aides to chase that. I can't be giving him any. I absolutely love this by the way you think. Baker would've turned it down of course not it was free publicity. Here would have absolutely done. This is sam darnold like i'm not giving you. He is already looks at brady as the enemy. He's not given brady any luck. He's not planning any tom brady games. I totally agree with sam darnold. When i came into my business. I wasn't wishing my rivals happy birthday. I mean outside of a car crash. I'm not rooting against them to get hurt but i'm rooting against my rivals. Why would why would i go and pay homage to my rival. I'm not if he's says happy birthdays at some advantage the patriots. It's not even an advantage. It's like i'm not going to be part of. Tom brady's festival tom. I now drew brees. I get they both have super bowls bowls. Their legacies are framed and intact but this is why i love sam. Darnold doesn't go out partying on his birthday is not on instagram does not have a twitter account. He is not go look at the history of great quarterbacks. They're generally what i would call low profile for their position so you don't hear about jared goff considering how big brady is until two years ago with his documentary. You never heard about him in the off season. I love it. I don't think darnold could do do anything to upset you not at already sure and unless he goes full on baker and crushes a beer can with no not that's not who he is not who we is and finally alabama fans and even alabama staff have often used the grind playing in the s._e._c. as an excuse for week week out of conference schedules or losses late in the season <hes> clemson head coach dabo swinney. He is not buying it. He told e._s._p._n. Well they won by an average of thirty. The three point one points per game so they ought to be well rested. My thing is that are you serious. They're tired then you look at clemson we won by. We won twelve games by twenty plus who really challenged alabama in the s._e._c. They didn't get challenged by anybody until the georgia. Thank you very much dabo sweeney alabama's twenty six and one in the last three three years against the s._e._c. There one two against clemson right alabama nick sabin made a decision in year ford alabama in year four. We lost three games. He decided that was like seven years ago. I'm not going to go on the road out of conference. I'm gonna manipulate the schedule alabama. This year has only eight conference games for cupcakes aches and a by stop getting by the way i the s._e._c. can be. It's very very athletic conference but there's dysfunction in most of the good programs auburn auburn hates their coach. Tennessee can't find the right one florida. What coach are you want. What off-field crisis do you have l._s._u. Got l- obama self esteem. They're like bama's has little brother. They can't beat alabama texas. They had a cotton bowl win seven years ago. Tell me the last three or four big bowl games. They've won. It's a conference with talent but riddled riddled with average coaching and massive dysfunction missouri's dysfunctional am. I'm telling i'm being told again how great they'll be so i i agree with dabbagh but let i mean just play the other side of it should he be the one criticizing conference schedule because remember also like the s._e._c. the a._c. Only plays a conference games and it's not like clemson and has a lot of tough game in conference game but at all but clemson didn't whine when they lost to alabama. They just lost alabama every time alabama lose the big game game. There's an excuse it's our players are tired. Our coach clemson lost and they just kept quiet then they didn't make excuses. They're not talking about their schedule but alabama nick has made and i like nick but for the last seven eight years nick has manipulated the schedule only conference games and again. Stop telling me me how great everybody is in the s._e._c. Now bama's great georgia can never beat alabama. That's the second best team the s._e._c. You see fact in the last three years alabama's the only s._e._c. team with a winning record against top twenty five teams. That's it it most most of them. Most of them are like severely under five hundred yes if you took alabama out of the s._e._c. today most people would. Let's say i like georgia. Show me all the great. Georgia wins in the last twenty five years. They're talented. They've always been talented good at almost beating alabama. They almost beat alabama obama every year. Well clemson does beat them to it. Over the last three times played veteran newsman john well well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by heard li- going around here. I'm a believer that when you raise young people you gotta be careful careful about missing steps. I've said this about the n._b._a. Before this insistence that you find a high school basketball or an a. player one one year of college. Get him to the n._b._a. You're skipping steps the maturity process of college. You're going to tell me a nineteen year. Old wouldn't be better with one more year of roy williams or mike chef ski or jim boeheim or bill sell for mark few or j. right of course he would be were skipping steps. That's why adam silver says the commissioner of the n._b._a. All my players are unhappy. That's why there's so many busts in the n._b._a. You're skipping too. Many steps maturity step colleges where we all grow up. It's where you you grew up. Where i grew up. I learned how to make dinner. Make my own budget. Make my own class. Schedule had to figure out how to use time. Efficiently college was valuable resource. Even though not a lot of the classes did anything for my career. It was a maturity stage of maturation stage. You can't skip steps in life when you when you see these child actors is in hollywood alternate losers skip steps. They need to go to summer camp. They need to be a kid. I don't want i don't wanna seven-year-old to be on a movie set. That's why so many child actors are trained rexes human beings by twenty five years old. They're skipping steps. Let a kid be kid. Let him go hang out and be on an an inner tube on a lake and go to a birthday party and eat too much candy and chocolate and get in a fight with his brother and his sister and a normal process for a kid to be a kid. Their brains don't even form until like twenty four years old boys brain twenty four so so skipping steps is generally generally you can succeed initially but over time you will pay a price for it so so there's an article in yahoo sports and it just it made me laugh yesterday. I'm not going to pick on the writer but freddie kitchens is now managing the browns with lessons. He learned from nick sabin and bill parcells okay timeout. He spent one on years of grad assistant was saving l._s._u. And one year as tight ends coach with the cowboys with bill parcells. He's not exactly a disciple. He spent eleven eleven years with the arizona cardinals. That's his resume that is coaching experience but what worries me about freddy kitchens is and i'm not saying it can't succeed but this article article insinuates that he got great tutelage from sabin and he got great tutelage from parcels in fact this general manager john dorsey says one of the things i admire about freddie kitchens. He's got no we go. We'll parcels does nick sabin does he has nothing like those guys but what i worry about cleveland is that freddie kitchens missed missed steps cincinnati hired zac taylor and people said that's ridiculous. That's a terrible higher who is zack. Taylor had been a college offensive coordinator and an interim n._f._l. Coordinator enator then studied under the smartest young coach and the game sean mcveigh then he got an n._f._l. Job he didn't skip any steps. People think sean mcvay a the rams. He was like the new hire he came from nowhere. No he was an assistant position coach in the n._f._l. For a year he was a position coach in the n._f._l. All for three years and then he was an offensive coordinator in the n._f._l. For three years then he got the head coaching job and he's like the guy that's considered a amedee needy or a rocket to head coach not to mention he had relatives who are in the n._f._l. So we hung out in the san francisco forty niners offices when he was a teenager big advantage manage freddie kitchens did not kyle shanahan is considered and i think kyle's as good a young coach including sean mcveigh the league has kyle shanahan was a coordinator later at four different teams kate jim harbaugh he played in the n._f._l. Most valuable position quarterback then he was the position russian coach in the n._f._l. Then he got a small college head job and then a bigger college head job and then he then he went to the n._f._l. They didn't skip steps. It's it's nick. Sabin was a defensive coordinator in college then he was defensive coordinator and then he got a college job then he got a small college toledo then michigan state then l._s._u. n._f._l. In alabama there's no there's no step skipping. Freddie kitchens never been a coordinator last last year he was he was running back coach for cleveland. Who is now the head coach. I'm not saying it's impossible. I do think their rosters really good. I think baker mayfield is going to run. Most of that offense bakers. A kid and baker needs to lidge and baker needs guidance. That's just a reality for baker. Sodas sam darnold sodas josh allen sodas josh rosen sodas lamar jackson sodas mitch trubisky so but i i see this all all the time when i used to work at my former employer i was in local t._v. and radio for almost a decade and a half before i got to my former employer so at the time time i got there. I had a game plan. I had a person i had you know. I knew exactly day-today what my brand was. What my belief system was. I always tell young broadcasters. Don't be in a hurry to get to the network at twenty five years old. Go make a bunch of mistakes. Your skin a bunch of steps. Go go to midland then go oughta. You know an arbor and then go. Maybe do weekends in detroit and then maybe a week day job in chicago and then you can go syndicated. Stop rushing to get the big job. You're skipping a lot of steps so when i see this article on freddie kitchens to manage combustible browns with lessons learned from nick and bill parcells first of all combined you worked for him for two years. One is a grad assistant. His reality is arizona where he had a bunch of position and never a coordinator peter and john dorsey because he doesn't push back from his coach. That's john dorsey personality. That's why he and andy reid did not get along because andy reid push back on john dorsey so andy reid got him out of the facility. John dorsey hired a kid to to me escape steps and i think if you look at camp so far with freddie kitchens. I don't think he's done a bad job and i and i'm rooting for room. I'd like to see this thing be. I'd like to see the browns not be man overboard. I think they'll be good nine and seven but don't kid yourself. This is a hard team to manage o b j baker baker youngest roster high expectations and the very quiet pittsburgh steelers down the street are just sitting there looking and rolling their eyes at the circus on a weekly basis. This cleveland is delivering to us the media all right good stuff. Joy will be back sometime next week so ally tomorrow's off john. I'm take one of my last friday's off for the summer. I've taken a couple of fry your teasing don't worry we'll be back. We don't have to hear from from that guy again. No i'm just saying we're <hes> fridays in the summer. We tend to scale back a little bit. 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I'm the more reasonable what so listen to the couple with chris bruce hart and rai on apple podcasts bore when the iheartradio radio app or wherever you listen to podcasts by the way i just saw this came out this morning e._s._p._n. Ranked all thirty two n._f._l. Teams by by their under twenty five talent the top four are all a._f._c. eight of the nine or top eight of the top niner all a._f._c. so the a._f._c. is the younger conference the younger talent. Some of these are just bad teams. That are rebuilding. What made me laugh is the bottom. Two teams are my two favorite for the super bowl. The patriots are thirty. One and the eagles are thirty two so the teams. I like dand up playing in the super bowl and by the way my darkhorse team in the n._f._l. This year the tennessee titans is twenty nine so they don't have any good young players outside outside of corey davis either so i think i think young players are good. I think cleveland's number one by the way colts number two chiefs number three houston number four. I like all those teams. Those teams are all winning record teams. I mean i didn't kansas city could go thirteen and three i think i think indian kansas city could be like thirteen win teams but a lot of them are not very good. That's what they have all the young town because they've been bad and they got good draft picks all right big noon. Kickoff is going to debut august thirty first. That's going to be urban meyer. Reggie bush brady quinn matt liner rob stone urban meyer three national championships twelve and three in bowl games is part of that show and he is joining us now the coward global satellite network right. Let's start with this so we get into camp coach. How long is it easier for a coach at this this time of the year to spot your weaknesses or to spot you're strange what jumps out in the first three weeks of practices the oh my god we're in trouble. We'll here all my lord. We're really good here at practice the other day and the transition or the difference between training camp many many years even ten years ago to now five years ago to now that these players actually been getting coached all summer so it's a much different training camp and i remember there's no more to at eight practices. Most of the fundamentals has been worked on all summer. You're not trying to get him in shape because they've been here all summer so and for most this teams in ohio state and a lot of teams have worked on scheme all summer so you have a pretty good field going into it right now. I would say especially because you've been around your players all summer as long as you stay healthy. You have a pretty good indication. What kind of team you're having the one challenge you have is. What kind of toughness is their practices a change no you don't i just see the physical illness that used to see just because <hes> health of players and you want to get him to the dance or the first game when you were at ohio state <hes> did you you mean the rest of us. Were fans where we kind of. Look at a schedule and we go okay. These games feel like ours these games trouble-spots. How do you focus on the moment and the practice when you know your players can go to the internet look at schedules. Do you struggle with that. Nowadays the social media aspect creating urgency eh when everybody's always looking ahead absolutely yeah especially a place like ohio state where the social media and just media in general you build players out there highly recruited players when actually had done a whole lot and so i would always might my approach was is make practices as hard as possible. I used to tell almost worrying about anything other than survival and make ends to the next day because we're going to practice really hard so that was my way of saint thing. During the season of practice that was our our way of making sure that there is focus attention on detail and the win the moment now not worrying about down the road or who you're playing so when you're at a program like clemson like ohio state alabama oklahoma georgia where you're going to be favored. Maybe all your games or maybe up to one. That's that's the the approach that we had and that is certainly a concern by the way speaking of concerns players do have more power today. I mean this is the world we live in his change as you said you don't have two ways to a day's players don't hit as much. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I think it's just a new challenge for coaches. You and i were to dinner not long ago with tom izzo and he talked about players transferring and players leaving early and how it's harder to build culture. There's a little bit of momentum. Jim harbaugh talked about it this week about players players skipping bowl games are do you worry about that. <hes> going forward for the sport. I worry about got a big time. I remember <hes> denzel ward came to me a couple of years ago before the cotton bowl and i really i heard about it. I never had to deal with it. This certainly certainly isn't the opportunity to say that i disagree with them. Because when you start you start talking about nick bose's and top ten picks like denzel award and and i i hate to say this but i understand. I not necessarily agree with it but i certainly understand it. Am i worried about. I worry about the non playoff bowl games games and we were very concerned. We went to the rose. Are you kidding me. Ohio state going to rose only second time in the last twenty five years the legendary bowl game and i was very concerned that when we didn't make the playoffs that we would have players sit out. We did not have that. I know other teams had at times. Even the nearest new year six bowl games a big bowl games players. I would sit out. That's very alarming to me and not necessarily about the future of the game. I mean that's something we all have to be aware of and it just it's when you when you say the word team finish what you start and so very concerned about that yeah by the way dabo sweeney. I think he's incredibly likable. Maybe it's the southern twang. I think everything davos says makes me laugh. I've incredibly likeable and yesterday's came out and he and i don't think he it was the way said it was incredibly charming. He said alabama was tired. That's why they lost to us. They won their games by thirty three points. We want ours by twenty. You couldn't be tired. You had six weeks to prepare for it but i do you think he underscored an issue. I have and this is not to pick on nick sabin who i think we both thinks an amazing coach and i and i like nick. I've talked to many times but i do think there. Is this theme team constantly that the s._e._c. is so great that oh lord. You can't play a non conference game. You gotta have buys you. Gotta play cupcakes. Is it possible muscle. You can be two things at once. You could be the best conference but we could be overstating how rigorous it is in the s._e._c. <hes> others no question. I spent six years of my life s._e._c. There is a absolute truth though that from top to bottom. That is the best conference. That's you don't have a gimme the game that you think that you're going to go in you just roll out the ball on your much better than that team. That's very rare in that conference. When you start thinking about teams that maybe have struggled in the past every we want them very talented players. You know they're in the talent rich part of the country so i i see it at times. I i put it more. We're on the media than the coaches that they build up a conference to be the the best. There is which there's a lot of truth to that however we also know there's other truths you gotta go play that bowl game and <hes> <hes> that's why they keep scoring the game one teams better than the other. That's who wins yeah. I the one thing i always felt. Let's be honest urban the big ten you can get popped in nat conference. I saw you guys go to iowa a couple years ago and struggle. There was a game against purdue so it's not like the big ten i mean. Let's be honest about your the dominant. You're the dominant coach in the big ten for years. You've got trapped a couple of times on saturdays but but i don't think we look at the big ten as dominant as the s._e._c. but i'll tell you this urban. I think i think the coaching and the big ten now is very good and i think you could you. You probably would admit that there were saturday's that you were halftime of a football game thought we're in trouble. Oh here could i not say the big. Ten coaching is better than the s._e._c. Coaching which i believe it is today. I think that's a great question i can't i haven't coaches in the s._e._c. quite a while. However i have cautioned the big ten. I if there's a better coach conference only in the nation you know i'd like to have that conversation. I just think top to bottom the big ten made a decision in two thousand twelve when i first went into league that the league really made you have to give the administrators credit did the league made drastic changes. They put more emphasis just look at their seven teams in the preseason top twenty five ten recruiting and has really taken taken off over the last few years there's investments in the stadiums and these huge arenas in the crowds and so you have to give personal commissioner laney but the higher ups ups in our conference i just notice complete transition from two thousand twelve to two thousand and eight thousand nine hundred nine where you're you're seeing a commitment to become the best league in america okay by the way the cat. You're the last guy i'd want to replace ryan day replaces you in ohio state. What will be the difference between an urban camp and orion day eight camp. I was out there. It's very similar. It's i think i use the term elite whenever i talk about coach day. Practice schedules are very similar similar staff transition defense. A lot of different coaches offensively very similar. It's very similar. I think there's a culture ohio state that is going to carry on. I think ryan's gonna add his own piece too and he's already done. It can see that and i think he's very confident away goes about his business so to answer your question. I see it being very similar all right well. You look rested. You're not gonna look as rested in a month when we're putting you to work and you gotta watch thirty five games on saturday so it's great seeing again looking forward to it. Thank you bet urban meyer big noon kickoff saturday eleven eastern on fox debut is saturday august thirty first. I listen you can be two things at once you can be the best conference in college football and you can be overstated what the s._e._c. is because of its intensity is wildly dysfunctional. Wisconsin football's never really dysfunctional l._s._u. Football ole miss auburn tennessee. Am i mean every florida whence florida not dysfunctional optional so the the s._e._c. I don't think has the best coaches i mean. Look at how many s._e._c. coaches have gone on to succeed in the n._f._l. Let's start with zero. K the pac twelve the big ten. You've had coaches leave. Those conferences go to the n._f._l. And succeed in the n._f._l.'s the best coaching. I don't think the s._e._c. is the best coaching and i think there's massive passive because of the intensity and passionate fans there's massive dysfunctions overreactions so you can be the best conference but bama's twenty six and won its last twenty seven games in conference most by blow out there wanting to against clemson so let's not let's not go crazy on how great the conferences it has the most n._f._l. Bodies in it absolutely absolutely but when you add a lot of times average coaching and major dysfunction in athletic departments that also brings it down to earth that brings it down to earth all right next hour coming up greg cosell kris haines rocking some kevin durant interview talk and greg's guy hour too coming up in l._a. Live it's the hard one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd you'd like <hes> here we go hour to live in l._a. This is the heard wherever you may be in however. You may be listening. We're on. I heart radio fox sports radio and f s juan joy taylor back on monday. I got tomorrow off so we are loaded today. Greg cosell and five minutes chris hanes sat down and with kevin durant long interview published yesterday. He'll be on the show today t._j. Cushman's on a final hour and jason mcintyre tomorrow's headlines today last ask segment of our show on thursday. I absolutely loved that so by the way before we get to christine forty-five minutes key sat down with kevin durant and kevin durant remember when kevin durant got hurt and then he came back in the finals. What was the first reaction by the n._b._a. Media the warriors fault. They pressured him. It's the doctors doctors. It's the training staff n._b._a. Media in my opinion hoddle's its players because stars run the league and none of the reporters wanna get ghosted by the top players so they suck up to them so in kevin durant got hurt even though he's a grown man on the immediate n._b._a. Media reaction is the warriors made him play doctors made him play in bad training staff and kevin durant yesterday dispelled all of that at non sense and came out and said hell. No the warriors pressured me in the getting back. Nobody ever said a word to me about rehab. When the series started. I targeted game five. Hell naw just happened. It's basketball man blank happens. Nobody was responsible for it so the entire narrative and that was the first reaction by the media that covers the n._b._a. Which is coddle baby. Protect the stars. This is why adam silver says our players are not happy. This is why therapists hell you don't over over complement your kid because when they face crisis in life they won't be able to handle it. Stop coddling the players. They're grown men. They love basketball. They wanna play basketball n._b._a. Media because they're behold into a handful of really popular stars their initial reaction to anything is caught. All kevin durant wanted to play. Wasn't anybody's fault volved. He wanted to play basketball because he's a basketball player and by the way the n._b._a. Media i bring on all the time i like him but what was just basically a nonsense. Take kevin said none of it by the way the other thing is in this kind of leads into. I didn't think kevin durant took enough heat for leaving golden state. He left for a weaker roster. Less money worse head coach unknowns in the front office. Why would you do that. Tom brady left bill belichick and robert kraft five years ago six years ago in his prime because he wanted to be the man in jacksonville. We'd make fun one of him. If derrick jeeter in his prime left the loaded yankees go to the kansas city royals to be the man. We'd make fun of him. We'd go what an idiot kevin durant and left more money current dynasty great g._m. Better roster amazing teammates for a bunch of unknowns for the second most popular peter team in new york and basically it was like he wants to be the man. It's not a good move from a business decision. It's not we would crush derrick jeeter leaving the star studded yankees. We mock brady for leaving bill ballot check but again everybody's petrified of offending the n._b._a. Star they're they're grown man. They make their own decisions. They can handle criticism kevin durant. Nobody forced kevin durant and play kevin durant man. He's like by the way he has his own doctors and trainers with the warriors. They're like go play sometimes injury tampons. Nobody's fault. They just happen. Guys get hurt all the time all right right and with that with that <hes> one of my favorite guys thirty plus years n._f._l. Films greg cosell is joining us <hes> <hes> on the phone today okay so greg today. We're going to look at two divisions in the n._f._l. <hes> n._f._l. The n._f._c. east and the a._f._c. isa. Let's start with the n._f._c. east which is philadelphia philadelphia dallas new york and washington so let's start. You've looked at a lot of tape on the n._f._c. East people have said zeke is crucial for redac- but yet dak was seven and two when amari became part of the offense when you look at the cowboys are are we understand the value of amari cooper tha deck prescott well. I think a really good receiver always helps but i think calling on you have to talk about their their philosophy and their approach <hes> their quarterbacks who will play well in any given system but this is a system that is that starts with the running back. That's their philosophy of playing the last thirty years basically since that got there now he's been officiant at times hindes within that system. There's other times he's not inefficient. Certainly you add equality quarterback quality receiver but what what struck me is fascinating and watching a lotta taped <hes> over the summer the cowboys particularly cincinnati got there is they didn't necessarily feature him in other words they would often line him up as the x receiver lever the single receiver to the boundary short side of the field that is sort of the main receiver and offenses. They didn't automatically throw him the ball. I don't know whether it it was a coaching thing. I don't know. I don't know the answer to that but i'd be very anxious to see how it plays out this year now that he's there to an off season but this team is not built or hasn't been for the last three years on the quarterback. The quarterback is a complementary piece. We're watching some video of amari cooper. I do think some some of that was. He was injected into the offense midseason now. They've got an entire off season. I would think that amari cooper would be more. They would focus more on him. I i would. I would thinks oh he's very talented. Yeah all right. Let's go to the philadelphia eagles. I think they're my suitable favorite. I do have questions about carson wentz and his health and durability really do you are the injuries avoidable or they just happenstance with carson wentz well. I think that the c. l. is just one of those things that happened and i know his back. Apparently he's back in back problems for four so we don't know about that. I did talk to a g._m. Earlier this week who came right out and told me that the the two best young quarterbacks in the n._f._l. Handed down our homes and wentz so you know i think of when stays healthy. He's a really good player with a chance to be absolutely especial. They've got a lot of weapons. I think you'll see them being credibly multiple with their use of personnel on their formations and they'll present a lot of different looks and put a lot of pressure on defenses washington would dewayne haskins. I i like some of the things he does but when i watched him this year when when you're making move off his spot yeah his accuracy dips i think he needs to be coached up in the n._f._l. How close is he to ready to play a starting quarterback role in this league in this tough division. Well you know call and we always say that. Quarterbacks are not ready and then they play so you know that's a tough question to answer. I remember when trubisky played his rookie or and everybody said there's no chance and then he started whatever twelve games whatever it was <hes> so haskins will play whether it's week one. We don't know the answer to that. The big issue with haskins is when there are bodies around his feet. Get a little heavy yeah. He loses his mechanics and fundamentals house any tens as you said in your one hundred percent right to lose his ball placement so in the n._f._l. You tend to have to throw with bodies around you far more than you do. In college where all right ohio state he basically ran a quick game offense <hes> so they'll try to do a lot of that with him but there will be situations where he's going to have to take deeper drops. Yes and they'll be pressure. <hes> he's a pretty good throw the football so they can protect him and that's the critical part here yeah i hadn't n._f._l. General manager senator tell me about it was dinner about a month ago. He makes enough n._f._l. Throws in college that you know he's a franchise quarterback but but you just don't know much beyond that correct he does have the arm. He does have the size. Let's go to the new york giants now my take away as before their cluster injuries at wide receiver ever that they have done over the last two years. Dave gentleman's taken heat but i do believe they've elevated their offensive line over the last two years. I feel that defense is as good. Some players like libya. Vernon just left to cleveland. They'll miss him. Giants offense in this division with high-powered philadelphia in the n._f._c. with high powered offenses to the giants. Are they a pop gun. Do they have the ability to get in shootouts in win. I don't know if they have the ability to get in shoot outs. I think that they've gilman's approach and then maybe their defense is not quite good enough. Now is that you build through the offensive line the defensive line. It's an old school approach coach now. If you're going to have the foundation of your offense be the run game then your defense theoretically theoretically gets to play fewer snaps. It's the cowboys approach approach you build through the run game. You control the pace and tempo of the game your defense place fewer snaps. Maybe you can camouflage and compensate for some of the weaknesses in your defense. The question is can they do that. <hes> you know throughout the course of sixteen games. You know what's really interesting. When you look at eli manning these are cumulative stats but when you look at a lot of his stats situationally he did not have a bad year last year there you know there's the sense that he's terrible but but cumulatively the stats indicate that he it was pretty good in most situations now he needs to be. I think controlled a little bit and that's the whole point of barkley all right. Let's go now to the a._f._c. east. We won't start with the patriots finish with them. Let's start with sam darnold and the jets. You are a jets can't. They've got some new faces late on a bell c._j. Moseley are very very high end players. What is your getting out now. You told me last week that offensive line and you told me this before they added ryan kalil that it was a little little better than people like me think and so i would imagine if the old line is better than we think. They've added ryan kalil. You're fairly hopeful with this offense offense well. They also added alex lewis who was a starter with the ravens and then came at nebraska a few years ago so they have really good oh line death right now <hes> they're big issue is skill position players. They're lacking in that area. They're trying to make robbie anderson much more complete receiver. He's a big time vertical dimension <hes> but so that's their their main issue. They know that's their issue. Now i think you can work around that to some degree and adam cases are very good offensive coach but obviously there were times when you can't work around that so that's it's a little bit of an issue for them and then defensively where they're lacking and don't have depth as it corner another important position in the league. They're well aware of these two major issues. The question is how can they work around their front. Seven is very very good on yes. It's very very good and i think they're trying to make up for their deficiencies in the secondary three with a great pass rush and it feels like to me they'll be very good upfront. Greg williams is very aggressive defensive coordinator so they'll try to add pressure which limits their susceptibility in the back end. Let's go to buffalo. Don't talk about them a lot. Josh allen was mostly what i thought big arm talented great size but inconsistent inconsistent. What do you make of him in the bills yeah well what they did last year which they tried to play to his strengths which was a lot of intermediate and deeper route concepts particularly normal donald down and distance situations where they protect and let him drive the football down the field <hes> he <hes> he ran. The ball extremely actually ran it. You could argue better than a lamar jackson. Now again then you get into that debate about whether you can live like that in the n._f._l. We'll leave that alone for now but i think that josh allen improved proved incrementally last year. I think he'll probably continue to do so. They've added weapons. It's actually a team that has pretty good weapons now so if they can protect them i think you'll see continued incremental improvement and they'll be better on offense. Nobody ever says this. I thought they were a really well coached bad team. I thought they were well. Coats outs. I just couldn't agree more. It's funny. I've talked offensive coach who say that sean mcdermott whenever they play him. He gives you something a little different and he's very tough to play against. Let's go to miami some suspect there tanking. I don't think i don't think you can do that in pro football but is it a total rebuild or do. They have players <hes>. I don't think they have a lot of really good players. <hes> i you know i think again. That's always hard to say. The big question is who will play quarterback. I think when all said and done it's going to have to it'll be josh rosen whether he starts week one who knows but they have to play josh rosen. Ryan fitzpatrick has had an amazing career coming out of harvard but josh rosen was a was a high pick and a very talented player of very good throw over the football very smooth he needs to play. He needs to be out there by the way their offensive instead line isn't great rosen's not overly mobile is that an issue to some degree tunsil some spink tonsils on his way to being the that's left tackle in the league but beside that they have a lot of moving parts on the offensive line that needs to be worked out that is an issue rosen is a rhythmic choir. He needs to feel comfortable. Let's move to new england. That was tough for me to have to get an wait on new england because i love talking about him. Bill belichick told a friend friend of mine who's close to the organization. This is going to be one of my more athletic teams not only do. I think their first five draft picks will play but they're three other top. Four draft picks last year who had good camps got hurt so they may have like seven or eight. New faces akil harry the wide receiver from arizona state. Obviously is is gonna play. I think they're going to be a little younger than most patriot teams. What do you think well let me ask you this. I mean they drafted damian harris interest of alabama in the third round when you draft a running back in the third round my guess. Is you expect him to play last year. They drafted sony michelle in the first round. Now i know he's coming off an injury yeah but he'll be ready to go barring any setbacks so now they have to plea big time backs is they're going to be a continue asian of what they did sort of toward the end of last year where they kind of evolved into somewhat of a running football team playing with the fullback devil and playing with what we call twenty one personnel to backs. Is that going to be more of their m._o. On i'm not saying they're going to move away from tom brady and make just a little piece here but is this going to be sort of a transition given the fact that brady. I don't wanna say he lost it but i thought there was there was some parts of his game toward the end of last year that i didn't think were quite as good as as the great. Tom brady's i. I think the last two years it looks like to me they have added to their offensive line gave added running backs by the way even their top receiver pick. This year is is not a burner intermediate route guy. Tom gets rid of the ball he. He's a very good hard. He's a little bit like a poor man's juju smith schuster in my opinion that is going to have to scheme him open. Yes so i do think they're making a transition bill. Bill sees personnel. They'll become more run centric more power over finesse. I would agree and and by doing that. They'll give a guy like harry a chance to be a factor because you can't line harry up on the outside and say win one on on one with isolation and individual route he won't do that. He didn't do that in college. No all right greg cosell n._f._l. Films n._f._c. east a._f._c. east this week. We'll talk to you in one week my friend i appreciate it. Thanks oh my lord. Was that fun that meets i'm stuffed. I just had a huge meat sandwich for lunch. I am stuffed that was that was pastrami on rye. Bread stacked a mile high. That's what you got right there. I hope you can handle it. A lot of you could finish the sandwich. I finished all of it. All right. Chris hanes is not long from now talking about that. Sit down with kevin durant interview in los angeles. It's the heard be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific on fox sports radio affects one and the iheartradio iheartradio app and we're back at the ron burgundy podcasts season two baby. Carolina here is a pathological liar. Okay okay so what does her brain looked like. I normally would disagree with this but i made a pact with run earlier so yeah. Let's go with wendy. Brush your teeth but when everyone else does on holidays and sometimes i forget i'm not perfect smell of your breath the smell of rare steak and aged whiskey no carolina that doesn't bother me because you're bleeding a little bit of the back of your shirt that means it was a good waxing. They got the entire hair follicle. He's he's safe. I know so ron is how long has it been bleeding. It's been bleeding all night long. Cheap accent had to throw my sheets out. This is ron burgundy until next time. Don't use public restrooms. Listen to the ron burgundy podcast on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio rap or wherever you find your podcasts by the way i gotta say i just love dabo. Sweeney said polka nick sabin in alabama in the s._e._c. came out yesterday and he said <hes> you know you're all telling me alabama loss to because they were tired and they they won their games by thirty three points. You know they had four cupcakes. They had a bye week. They won on their twenty six and one in the last twenty seven games in the s._e._c. almost all of them by blowout and yet you keep telling me how great they are and babbo sweeney came out and said we want our games by twenty twenty. We weren't tired and this is my knock the s._e._c. as most good college football players. I'm not disputing that but the conference is riddled old with dysfunction tennessee dysfunction auburn can never get the right coach. Ole miss cheats. Everybody knows it florida. What coach are they on. What off-field the crisis two. They have texas a. and m. Oh please give me a break. How many years you're gonna tell me how great texas and emma's last big bowl when they had was seven years ago in the cotton bowl the the conference has talent. I'm not disputing that but when you throw in the bye week every year right before l._s._u. When you put it in four cupcakes other conferences don't have it makes it easier and frankly a lot of the coaching in the s._e._c. It's bad the talent good but it's bad i mean even s._e._c. Programs now are complaining about attendance attendance why because the schedules are so weak. There's a huge advantage. I mean the pac twelve in the big ten in the in the in the big twelve may not be as good as the s._e._c. but when and you have to plan conference team one more week when you get one less buyer one less cupcake guys get hurt. It's it's not a week off so i mean let's be honest l._s._u. In georgia after alabama are the best programs in the conference and they're bragging rights. Are we almost beat bama. Every year. Will clemson does so hello nick nick nick complaining about the transfers and he doesn't like this team is tired and the staff didn't good enough job. The truth is nick sabin about seven eight years ago. Oh he was in his. I think his fourth year alabama loss three games and he's like. I'm not going on the road for big games anymore. He made a decision georgia. Didn't they went to notre dame oklahoma. They'll go to ohio state ohio. State will go to oklahoma. Alabama made a conscious decision years ago to lighten up the schedule cupcakes buys perfectly perfect placed and we're not going on the road. One hundred to go on the road wanted to go to seattle next year now. They finally recently signed it home in home with wisconsin after guys like me hammered ala bama but i'm not saying the not the best conference. I watched the heck out of it. I love it but there's dysfunction everywhere in this idea that it's impossible to beat these teams. The minute the the southern teams ole miss a couple years ago came west and lost to cal. If you get out of your zip code occasionally it's not as easy to win on the road for nineteen year olds in twenty year olds when you play all your out of conference conference games at home. It's much easier to win veteran newsman john goulet on news. This is the headline news and we had a little bit of breaking news this morning. The browns traded running back to johnson to the texans for a fourth round pick which can become a third round pick. If certain things happened after signing kareem hunt johnson would essentially be the third string running back when hunt comes back from suspension behind nick chubb member baker mayfield to also kind of criticized criticized. You've johnson for wanting a trade. Even though do johnson showed up to camp. He didn't pull out he just said. I don't want to be here because he wants to play. I think it's a reasonable request. The only the only downside for cleveland of nick chubb got hurt and camper got hurt early in the first month. They don't have a legitimate big time backup until kareem hunt comes back around thanksgiving sure. I also a fourth round pick. Maybe a third for a guy. That might be your third string running back. That's kind of too good of a deal for cleveland and pass up. The texans needed some depth. They got rid of deonte form and they cut him a few days ago so right now. They just have lamar miller. Do johnson is a hell of a pass catching running. Yes very good at that. He is really the texans to me or that team. That could be really. We good and we might kind of go wait. Why didn't we talk about them more. They have a great. They wanna division last year. They have a great young quarterback. They have amazing skillet wide receiver and they have a great defensive offensive line. They've got lost sorts of secondary's week but i they're all lined in their secondary or concerns. I think you could solve one of those by signing. Trent williamson was adamant. He won't play for washington and he's their best player. Well and here's what i thought was interesting about the trade in rappaport of n._f._l. Network reported that bill o'brien made this trade. They don't have g._m. A._m. right now so this was bill o'brien dealing with john dorsey if the head coach is making deals like that i mean he knows he has to win this year otherwise he might be out. I don't think that's that's out of the remote. Possibility that bill o'brien says you know what let's just go for it all this year. Let's traits. Let's make a deal with the redskins and let's get a pro bowl left tackle to protect my young young asset at quarterback before i have to pay shawn watson this is this is what the eagles have done. This is because remember carson wentz. His new deal doesn't start for two years. This is what the rams have done. This is what you do when you have young quarterback. This is what cleveland's done you go out and you get players gave up. Some draft picks you pay for guys. You get veterans in the league in now. I believe six of eight divisions last year. One by quarterbacks on rookie deals right. I mean that's how you win yesterday. At forty niners camp second overall picnic. Bosa got hurt again <hes> their g._m. G._m. John lynch gave the latest on the bosa. Injury on camby are in san francisco this morning. It's a significant ankle sprain in it's got you know there's that dreaded high high ankle sprain. He doesn't have a full blown one but it has some component to that so as for timing it's safe to say we won't see him in the preseason and then we're going to be very prudent i mean they've they've drafted this position over and over and over. He has not played a game for the forty niners. This is his second injury already coming off of a senior year at ohio state where he got hurt early and didn't play against three injuries in not even a calendar year. Yep are they that team that has potential but just can never get everyone on the feel the same way they i think their offense will be fine i l._a. Garoppolo dante pettis good draft pick. They upgraded at running offenses great. If everyone's healthy yeah they're not they're. They're very weak at corner. That's why they need a pass rush. There are a little like houston. There are a little like the jets the jets houston and san francisco have good pass rushes and they need them to mask very weak corners so i think in that division was sean mcvay and ross wilson and maybe you know we'll see what arizona's i think they're they're not capable. They're going to have real issues if botha can't play because they went and got d ford and quote alexander they wanted athletes in speed and and i uh and i think if bosa can't play i mean they have bruckner. They like him as a pass. Armstead hasn't been much. They like bruckner right. He's the one guy like they have a lot of guys that <hes> they've they seem to like but it doesn't seem to amount to much. That's kind of the problem. They have you know last year. We liked a lot of players that they had but they didn't win very many games with them. I mean yeah this joey. Bosa is needs to play in that division with those quarterbacks needs to be healthy. Nick nick what i call him joey. It's close enough. Yes dad played it to his grandpa. The whole families play in the n._f._l. <hes> and finally column we ever really cool announcement to make on august thirteenth next year the yankees and white sox will play a regular season. He's in game in iowa at the site of the nineteen eighty nine film field of dreams and aaron judge is already getting in on the fun no sira oh my later this month <hes> m._l._b. will begin construction on a temporary eight thousand seat ballpark and at the dyers ville site <hes> of halfway through the cornfields gonna take fans to the ballpark which overlook the famous movie location the right field wall. They're gonna put windows in so everyone can see the corn watching aaron. Judge hit home runs into iowa cornfield with a shot field of dreams about as cool as it could get for me. I love field of dreams. Oh look at this. Look at this nice job by fox so they're going to construct. Oh my god. This is great. You're going to have the cornfield all through the outfield. Yeah that's fantastic. It's really cool. <hes> this'll be the first major league game ever held held at a movie location and also in the state of iowa and all these been doing more of this right they we had we had london games this year. They played in omaha for the college. World series is they've done games. The little league world series was wasn't so it's the the yankees and the white sox those were the favorite teams of of kevin costner's awesome. Dad right wouldn't that well obviously in the movie. It's the the white sox or the team that comes out of the corner. The black sox scandal <hes> yankees might just be because does the yankees right and that it's going to suck me in more i would say other teams but really cool by the way the hockey did this member the outdoor games in hockey death. They played snowstorms snowstorms. Yeah it was great. It was great football stadium kinda. They kinda played it out. It kind of played itself out yeah. I don't think there's going to be a team at the field of dreams field in iowa. That's can apply. I think it's fun as a as a one off kind of thing but i dunno i it's it's one of my favorite sports movies ever. It's the most inexplicable if i if you tell someone the plot it sounds like the dumbest movie ever yeah oh dead baseball guys come out of a cornfield and play so we can talk to his dad. It doesn't make any sentencing. Amazing field of dreams is my second favorite sports movie ever i is. You'd be shock to hockey movie miracle. That's not shocking. The has the best the best sports movie speech possibly ever yeah so miracles. My favorite sports movie ever. I think field of dreams is this is my second favorite while this'll be really cool next year in iowa that is great <hes> veteran newsman john doolan well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by heard heard live by the way my former employee a ranked all thirty two n._f._l. Teams by their under twenty five talent brown's colt chiefs tax into the top four all a._f._c. teams eight eight of the top nine are a._f._c. teams <hes> the bottom two are my super bowl favorites philadelphia and new england that don't have a bunch of young guys <hes> lot of n._f._c. teams middle and bottom lot of a._f._c. teams near the top. I think the n._f._c. is a much better. Listen we we know in the n._b._a. We watched toronto. A veteran team beat golden golden state an old veteran team is that young is hype and optimistic and fun in the media. I love young teams. Atlanta hawks this year in the n._b._a. Are going to be young and fun. They're gonna be terrible are gonna win thirty games max so i mean basically if you look at the bottom five teams under twenty-five talent i like all of i love the eagles goes. I love the patriots. I think the vikings have one of the top five rosters. The titans are dark horse team in the a._f._c. This year and i think seattle is going to be in a playoff pursuit late in the year. I don't know if they make they'll be close so these the bottom five teams under twenty five talent now the top teams. I like some of them too. I like the cult at number two in the chiefs at number knbr three cult just had one of the great drafts of all time not this year the previous year and that puts them in that class when they got to great offensive linemen and darius leonard three star two stars and three really really good player so the top five teams under twenty five are cleveland colts i wouldn't i wouldn't argue with that chiefs. <hes> texans on the new york giants who who did they have is the giants good young players saquon barkley will hernandez left guard really good now. They've put daniel jones in that. I wouldn't go crazy on that note. I get from daniel jones. Does anybody know what they get from daniel jones. I watch the college a bunch. I thought he was okay and then the was great all right t._j. Bushman's oughta last hour jason mcintyre kris haines around the corner so he sat down with kevin durant and it was approaching interview and kevin durant talked a lot and it was a little cocky with a little fun and i think it's worth talking to chris about <hes> what he took away from the interview with kevin durant <unk> who left a dynasty to go to the world of the unknown brooklyn the second most popular team in new york. That's coming up with kris haines. We've been telling you about 'em. I'm dr for a long time. Gary scientists in arizona got into his fifties kids were still active in their twenties and he felt like he was losing some energy as his testosterone levels dipped and he didn't like it so gary went out and created em drive. He's a scientist. That's what they do. One of the products within the line is called boost and burn. 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The coverage bridget clay travis the perfect podcast for you. I even recently launched a brand new podcast called wins and losses with clay travis which features long form conversations the biggest names in sports business entertainment. Listen on apple podcasts or the iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts by the way if you haven't heard it the houston texans made made a deal landed duke johnson <hes> who was number eventually he was number two right now on the rotation for cleveland running back would be three after kareem hunt and nick chubb both excellent running backs. Duke is a very good pass catcher running back number two running back in my opinion. Maybe he is a number. One feels like a to me but a very very good to or decent. One houston needed a running back lamar miller. I believe in the last year of his contract. I like what houston did. I like what cleveland did now. The cleveland now has nine draft picks in next year's n._f._l. L. draft. They're accumulating draft picks. That's not a bad thing you can pick them or you can train them to get veteran players in so cleveland very very young football team. I thought they were crowded at running back. I didn't think they needed johnson and i didn't think that situation would play well over time. The kid needs carries the only danger for cleveland. If nick chubb got hurt we hope not you don't get kareem hunt until thanksgiving. It's not a great offensive line that can take an average back and create big yards. It is a very loaded defensive the front and cleveland and a loaded wide receiving corps. They're running backs now until november not as deep but i thought it was good move for cleveland. I thought it wasn't essential. Move for the the houston texans team. I think one that division last year and could be in that eleven twelve wind category this year go sign trent williams texans a- left tackle because has that position concerns me would shawn watson injury history in with that kris haines yahoo sports senior n._b._a. Insider sat down recently with kevin durant. He's on our phone right now. I first of all chris. Were you surprised at how talkative kevin durant was so so once once. I knew you know once. I knew he was gonna grab there and i was gonna. I was gonna talk. He hasn't spoken in two months. <hes> eat never addressed. He never just the actors history obviously never interested when he left and so i workout got border be really good now. He dismissed the idea that the warriors forced him to play yeah. I never bought into the idea that the training staff forced him kevin durant. A star is a grown man. He had his own trainer. Were you surprised that he he said golden state had no culpability in that no i wasn't i wasn't surprised with that. No <hes> the part that that that stock won't just elaborate on that so i would buy. He said that return if <hes> game five was always the plan <hes> that was that was what what he targeted and he was gonna come back on the gay five regardless what the circumstances <hes> as long as the live and so the part i was comprise about was <hes> you know. He said that if he left the warriors the team that he was always sticking with that so it was a two thousand that that that kinda sucks water yes he he and by the way we know he likes david hale the knicks according into your article and interview with kevin durant the knicks were never in the running and it also sounded like he didn't make his decision on the brooklyn nets. Let's until june thirtieth so whereas many people were insinuating that he'd made his mind up it felt like to me that he gave it some deep thought after the regular season and after the finals yeah that's that's what he said you know he. <hes> you know i know from afar are not talk to them. Throughout the season you know he was very high book but he was just talking about the first male the young guys they were able to nurture amateur draft picks. They may <hes> you know i can. He was the first sale but you know we. We always talked about basketball before another player so i i didn't think anything of it <hes> so you know it that was that was a shop. You know the fact that he you know. He said you know if he if the if he was gonna leave the wars it would always gonna be for the book of that but you gotta give them props sean box guys props over there so you know it's still uh-huh cultured asking the winter such a short time by the way i was guilty of this i thought when draymond called him came out last year publicly and called him a name. That seat felt very personal to me that he and dream on may have had some simmering not public but simmering resentment sentiment. Can you clarify his thought kevin's on draymond green in that relationship today. I'll say this. This is my personal thing yeah yeah yeah. They're they're cool. They're pe- <hes> but i would be lying if i if i didn't say. I don't think that that wasn't the fact that i you think that was the fact that throughout the course as <hes> you know even to the point where now both the semi story. You know kevin durant. It was a point where you just stop talking to you know he didn't. He didn't talk much to his team. He's really out on an island there. He really passed by by that close bit on that team that the only person was like quinn from the same area but you know quincy younger guy <hes> it doesn't have much clout with within the franchise and so you know point went after the dow and then <hes> you you know the new york knicks. <hes> chatter started going haywire. No kevin durant just stopped. You stopped talking. We'd always felt like if he if you say something up in you know it. It'll give give a lot of credence to <hes> give it five of people saying that he's already thinking about free agency when his botched it works so he just shut up and he just focused on basketball kip it on that and you know you will see kevin durant leaving the arena by himself copying or read the bile lonsdale really not speaking to anyone to a point where award is official <hes> went to him on a few occasions yeah or text uh-huh saying that <hes> you know we we need you. You know you know come with a cheerful disposition. <hes> <hes> you need to know is so his standpoint. You know he's looking at that like look man. You know i'm playing. I'm balling you know one of the first they get the practice more the you know last. We talked about this position like this is. This is why we're not you know play ended up too far. You know so it is a lot of things on all then you could you could tell l. everybody who the right was on the wall early on <hes> that you know this. Is that that that was going to be his last. War is not definitely do think that's raymonde. Mockery of situation can't be finally christine's yahoo sports senior n._b._a. Insider as we read the article as a staff this morning and i've said i just i don't think michael jordan would have left the warriors dynasty. I don't think kobe would have magic bird. Lebron wouldn't leave it. He left miami when they lost a finals and they looked old. Kevin durant are takeaway on kevin durant is he's a he's different. I mean i t t for for a star player on dynasty to leave to go to an inferior. What we think is roster coach stars. It's different when you're in when you're interviewing kevin. Does he feel different different than interviewing the other stars. You sit down with yeah. He does he does he's. He's a low maintenance guy. You know kevin's like all he wants to do. All you must do is play basketball and he wants to play basketball in drama free environment. That's that that's him. He hates like stories stories about you know especially in a regular season. You know you can't stand stories about you know talk. What's what's going to go on. You know in july well. We're at the subaru. Jane would change that. He's a pure basketball player like he's not the bra you know has take a whole bunch of different things katie hooper and <hes> you know it. That's why do i do that. You know with all the stuff that was us more and all. You just knew like this was it. He's not coming back. It has a lot of wars are so such a desperate state <hes> <hes> last season to try to appease him but you know a lot of damage already done yeah kris haines yahoo sports good stuff chris congrats on the article michael fascinating look at kevin durant decision. Thank you thank conflict for the record. The knicks were never ever ever even a tiny bit. Get in the equation. According to the article i have said for years fine me the great free agent in his prime who truly considers the next lebron never did never did <hes> i mean to do. They got amari stottlemyre with bad knees. Stefan marberry was was already seen in the league is a bit of a head case and hard to play with <hes>. I'll go back. I think it's a james dolan issue. I think when you start looking at this league it's it's a players driven. League players have never had more power. There's nothing wrong with that. It's a different culture than other sports but but i do think and and i think i speak for everybody watching this show i do think in college basketball and college football recruiting you can have great facilities but ultimately the you're putting your trust in davos sweeney chris peterson at washington lincoln riley at oklahoma nick saban alabama kirby smart at georgia georgia jim harbaugh in michigan the coach the guy that runs the program is getting you there. It's not their academics. It's not their facilities ladies. Everybody's got great facilities now who has bad facilities in the top twenty college football leadership. I think players are getting smarter and it matters others like like when you get recruited if you don't connect with coach or at least the coordinator position coach. You don't go there and i think in the n._b._a. Players look around and with very few exceptions who owned this team who runs this team you know and i that's why i think kevin durant leaving. Leaving is shocking to me. It's very i mean i can't i michael jordan left the bulls and he couldn't stand his ownership. He left the bulls went the baseball but he came back to the bulls because michael knew that was the best coach and that was the best a group of talent kevin durant just left. Maybe the best coach wrote in the league. Maybe the best jam in the league with him on the best roster in the league. I would say the smartest system offensively in the league. That's that is rare so i think some of this is kevin. Just different caverns a different bird you know he he remember when the reporter came on the show and called him a wander. Lee jenkins came on like a year ago and he said all i'm going to say is kevin. Durant is a wander. He didn't want to go into details but i think i think lee jenkins saw now a clipper employees before everybody else our three coming up we are packed act one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app search her to listen live or on demand and whenever you'd like <hes> we are live our third hour today i two flew by with urban admire. Greg cosell and chris hanes this hour. Three is the heard wherever you may be however you may be listening we on iheartradio. We are on fox sports radio. We are right here on f s one. It's my last hour the week we are loaded in this hour then i take off tomorrow last couple of friday's. I've just just enjoyed family time. I'm doing the same tomorrow. We're getting very close games ram pop this is my this is a really good time of the year to talk football. I'm all excited about it. Got dabo sweeney rippin nick sabin and everything so much fun can't wait labor day. We got big college football auburn oregon. It'll be a great day. I'll put bruce feldman by the way on my saturday saturday podcast. We're gonna talk about college. Football on the radio podcast side my saturday podcast this week so we're all geared up for it now coming up in fifteen minutes t._j. Hirschman zodda data is freddie kitchens and cleveland getting get overwhelmed. He's never been a coordinator. This team has all sorts of drama in forty five minutes. Tomorrow's headlines today day with jay mack. The journal. Jason mcintyre is one of my favorite segments every week but i okay the n._f._l. Preseason here we go it is quickly approaching coaching and zeke ezekiel elliott is still not in cowboy camp and i gotta tell you i really enjoying the cowboys off season drama. I i never knew that. Jerry jones and steven jones were pro wrestlers but they are tag team partners one day. It's jerry banging on zeke. The next next steven jones banging on d. Then it's jerry banging on zeke and steven jones begging on zeke. These guys are tag team partners w._w._e. Which by the way is coming to fox experi soon. Let me go to the first thing. Jerry came out. Remember that and jerry said you can win. Super bowls without star running backs and then stephen even came out and said couple days later you know any money we give zeke has just taken away from other cowboy stars and jerry came came out yesterday and said albert alfred morris the running back they signed has the best feel of any running back i've ever seen and then stephen came out out later in the day with rich eisen and said he won't call us back here stephen jones. How often are you talking with. Zeke's team these these very rarely. There's this perception out there about negotiations that you know there's these ongoing talks and go on hours at a time and you know that's just not the case a._c. Kinda set the boundaries of where you think it should be and certainly <hes> you know they're all represented by very sharp people and they're trying to do the best for their client line and you kind of sit there and you do on it and you think about it. You know you're always trying to take something that might bridge a gap. Okay so remember this. This is the latest thing it's a tag team partner jerry. You can win super bowls without great running backs steven. You're just taking money out of dagenham. Ariz hands jerry sorry yesterday. Alfred morris has the best feel of any running back i've ever seen and then stephen jones comes out later and says nobody's returning our calls. We're not close. Okay okay so this is tag team zeke. Are they getting nervous. Are they getting anxious. Now i've felt from the very beginning jerry. Stephen have been very shrewd with their public public comments but there is a reason they are going out in public. They are trying to put pressure on zeke. I think zeke has two things going for him here and they're the things that people think well. He's a great player. They need no. He's got two things going for him number. One jerry jones is seventy six years old. He doesn't want to waste another season when when you get older in life you just don't have time to waste when you're on the back nine of your mortality. You're not going to waste time. You want to get things done and you can tell you the older. I get the less time i'm willing to waste because i have less time on the earth. That's an advantage for zeke. An older older owner hasn't won a super bowl awhile finally as a roster he doesn't wanna waste season and the second thing that i think helps zeke is in the division. Philadelphia philadelphia is great. Well coached carson wentz and they have all their young stars signed but even out of the division. The n._f._c. is is loaded. I'll give you nine teams. Not in dallas is division that i think are capable of making the playoffs. The falcons the saints in in the panthers the packers the bears the vikings the rams the niners and the seahawks. That's just out of the dallas. Cowboys this n._f._c. east division so i think those are big advantages. The n._f._c.'s loaded the division philadelphia. Maybe a super bowl favorite jerry seventy six years old. There is a reason that jerry and stephen on a daily basis are coming out and doing a tag team on zeke. They're it this is not. This is not a time to not have all the ammo for the n._f._c. east the n._f._c. with an aging owner owner so i think it's a blast to watch. I think it's really fun by the way zeke shut it down. Zeke's in mexico zeke's not talking zeke's not calling disea- zeke understand he has leverage here because this morning when i see stephen jones talking and jerry talking about how great alford morris's it cowboy leadership and getting a little tight in a little closer to games getting a little anxious come feels like it this morning kind of feels like it all right. Let me shift to this this aaron rodgers time you know i think aaron rodgers is great but when the comparisons were made years ago tom brady i said well. He's got a better arm but i think there are certain leadership skills that tom has that aaron does not have i think erin's talented. He's more mobile. Maybe he's a better athlete guy better arm. I'm not disputing that of course erna stint skin getting things i don't like him. I think aaron's greats one of the ten best fifteen best quarterbacks in the history of the game. I've ever seen and i've seen all of them that matter. I'm not joking outside of auto graham johnny the united states. I think i've i've seen most of the great quarterbacks but it's interesting finally another member of the immediate sports media n._f._l. Media is recognizing what i'm recognizing so profootballtalk came out yesterday at admitted aaron rodgers criticism of joint practices which he did yesterday amounts amounts to criticism of his new coach matt leflore pro football talk also acknowledged in the last two weeks three weeks aaron rodgers has criticized his new coach twice twice one on the audible thing he didn't love the restrictive nature of matlock lures audibles and to buy coming out and saying and this is what aaron said in the last forty eight hours doing live special teams drills are very <hes> very smart. I think you know <hes> the p._a. Is going to look at that for sure. I don't think it's you know that's one of the kickoff especially as one of the most dangerous place in football and that's why they've tweaked different things over the years to close close to a live kickoff throughout the best use of inter-squad practices like so what are you saying. This is essentially the equivalent to an eye roll to your coach. This is the equivalent of calling your coach stupid. If tom brady came out and said i think these joint practices. I think these special teams teams drills are not very smart what he say that about bill would he question bills audible system. This is the iro to i rolls before the season starts by the away isn't jeff saturday former packer the one that came out and said aaron would roll his eyes at mike. Mccarthy's play calls didn't aaron rodgers lead the n._f._l. Last year and throwaways by a mile basically acknowledging before the place started. I hate it. I'm throwing the ball out of bounds. This is the gap that i've discussed for years. Brady and aaron aaron is condescending. Aaron goes public with it. Aaron take shots at superiors auto control practice. It's not very smart. That's the gap that is the gap. It's not talent. Errands got arguably more of it but i mean ask yourself. If you were a high school coach your high school football coach and your a high school quarterback came out and said yeah. I don't think these joint practices are very smart. The high school coach would go down and talk to his high school quarterback if two came out in in college if they had college joint practices and to the quarterback of alabama said these joint practices are very smart. Nick sabin would bring him into his office office. The difference here is matt leflore. The packer coach has to eat it because aaron rodgers is a you know he's an icon and he's rich and he's got a super bowl ring and any replaced farve and he's idolized he's worshipped and he you know mostly he's he's one of the great talents of our time playing quarterback but make no mistake these comments thank you profootballtalk. These comments were essentially the equivalent the audible comment publicly and the special teams comment publicly there an iro which is all all. I've been saying for years errands talented but he's condescending. They did a study years ago at the university of washington years ago about why couples get divorced divorced. It's not cheating. It's not money they could predict with ninety nine percent accuracy. Why couples would get divorced. They would interview view couples. They'd sit him down for a couple of hours. They'd asked the couples together all sorts of questions and they can predict with ninety nine percent accuracy if they would get divorced andino. You're no what the factor was that the social scientists or the psychologist could spot. I rolling condescending not respecting your partner that just led to a packer divorce and already in a relationship. We're not even the preseason games yet. These are calm waters. Already very aaron is doing what teammates have claimed he did with mike mccarthy. Sometimes you got to eat it. You don't wanna go public. You can tell your coach in private but aaron makes a point of going out making it public which essentially is kind of embarrassing your head coach. I don't want this system. <hes> this is stupid. Why are we doing this. Those are private conversations so again. Erin just got a divorce from a football coach. Coach throwaways led the league. I rolling in the huddle. This is what causes divorces in real life and it's. It's just nice occasionally that i don't have to carry the water for the criticism of aaron rodgers in america that he's not perfect. I mean we're always was willing to say tom. Brady is not very athletic. Tondo and get mad. He let me makes fun of that on twitter. He makes fun of that. Does everybody have to say aaron. Rodgers is perfect or can we acknowledge college now more ireland because that's all these quotes are there the equivalent of eye rolling which has been my primary criticism of erin for a decade and of course he doesn't love criticism certain guys don't kevin durant aaron rodgers little more thin-skinned little more sensitive. That's not a negative. That's a very good quality. Maybe in life more sensitive people would probably a better earth so even criticize him for being a little sensitive. You know that's not a terrible quality to have a goulet. Very sensitive breaks down regularly on the show very very nice young man. I'm a crier crier. I mean that's just the way it is. Joy not so much goulet got a towel on hand twenty four seven guys just weeping all the time <hes> we got t._j. Hirschman zodda stopping by jason mcintyre as well <hes>. I just this this last hours fun for me. Just talking cowboys and aaron rogers and cleveland browns then get banging on sabin with dabo sweeney. Daboh is becoming my favorite college. Coach period indians take the twins and our discover card key matchup tonight. Go further with it than ever the discovery at miles card they automatically match the miles you earn at the end of your first year so thirty five thousand become seventy go to discover dot com slash travel discover match for new card members only in l._a. It's the her be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays noon eastern nine a._m. Pacific on fox sports radio f s one and the iheartradio app a a lot of emails but cole cases all the time and usually when i look at a story i can tell in the first five minutes with probably happened but this is really strange. I'm katherine townsend host of the true true crime podcast helen gone hours asking people what's wrong what's wrong and what we got in the sheriff's office here. He said james dan no explanation. Janey ward was sixteen years old when she died under mysterious circumstances she was at a party at a cabin in the woods in the small town of marshall arkansas robin story that she fell short would be i'm. I'm heading back to arkansas on a new case to find out what happened to jamie ward on september ninth nineteen eighty-nine listen to hell and gone that's that's a._g. L. l. n. Gone on apple podcasts or on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts p._j. And i just haven't great conversation patients so as a coach and you were always a thinker as a player and thinking about the players health and wellbeing in you're just telling me during the break cincinnati cincinnati bengals training camp with marvin lewis was rough rodeo okay and then did you have a can't with pete carroll. Yes not as rough. It wasn't rosen is bad no okay. How about raider camp no i didn't that was a lockout so that didn't work out the way it is a different world. We live and there's no two days at the college level anymore when you look at you know there's a lot of pushback. I'm hearing this from coaches now. College coaches are like guys. Don't wanna play bowl games. We can't hit me more as a former player. How much did hard practices during camp or week translate to better sundays. It doesn't really you just need to be in shape and understand the offense and defense period me. I used to have marvelous. We used to get why is why did you guys go days and camp asmar because by the third day you get out the bed. You cannot walk. How am i gonna. I can barely walk and he says well. We need to build tough guys. I said marvin let me just explain this to you. If a guy's a punk going into training camp he's gonna punk coming out of camp. He's figuring out a way to get through it. For twenty twenty some years. He's figured out a way to get by and skate by these twenty. Whatever days we're doing and camp is not going to make him a tough guy. He's gonna figure out how to ski by like he's done. His whole life. Trying to cap is not gonna make tough now. That's a good that's kind of what you are by the time you get to the n._f._l. Year pretty much what you are are in you'll fake an injury. Your act like you're hurt but you're going to get through camp. If you're that good of a guy in if you're tough coming into camp you're gonna be tough coming out and we would always have these type of discussion the guys that i play with her watching this they know you'd have with marvin out have marvin all the guys were scared to talk to marvin you and carson carson palmer weren't no i mean i probably talk too much. That was my problem i would. I would be the voice for the locker room. Guys would complain about stuff. I'd go take into marvin because they would be afraid to and i wasn't in some of it was warranted and others. It wasn't but i would still take home. I love that you're good talker talker. That's why you're good on there. Show try to be yeah. That's good by a good parent so i said i'm always concerned and this is almost a dad conversation. I said earlier today. One of the reasons young child actors in hollywood often have horrible adult lives because they skip steps. Go play with your kids. Go play with your brother. Go play in the the pool. Go play in the league but in hollywood nine years old on a movie set and it's like that's not healthy i don't like n._b._a. Guys go one year of college and now you're in private jets. You can't even go to the bar in the hotel. You're skipping steps freddie kitchens. My concern is he skips steps. We look at sean mc van gogh. Oh oh he came out of nowhere. Sean mcveigh was a position coach a coordinator for three years then a head coach. Freddie kitchen has never been a coordinator. Would you be concerned. You go so from a position coach mostly for eleven years in arizona the browns hire you as a running back coach and then nine months later your the head coach of young a young highly dramatic team. Would that concern you. It would concern me but when you look at it when they fired you. He was the fact office coordinator in charged offense. He did very well. They did well on offense. The only thing is going to worry me if they don't play well early on your the best players in there pretty much all offense. It's going to be a problem you have to every coach and every team they script plays and you're going to go over britt saturday night so the first five to seven plays. You'll know exactly what the are hopefully you don't go three and out you know the first third short second in long second immediate whatever it may be as long as the players odell beckham jarvis landry and joko tight end as long as they see in those first however many plays. I'm trying to get you the ball here. I'm trying to get you to ball here. That should be okay because they'll see the script and say okay. He's trying to get the ball but if it doesn't work and they're not not winning. It's gonna be a problem and it's going to say what you just said. He skipped steps. He's into over his head. That's going to be the narrative to players talk about that. I have you ever been on a team where players are privately talking about doubt in the staff all the time. The problem is there's a lot auto players at the game but there are some that really understand football but the coaches think you don't know the game in so when you try to come at them what what you feel is best they. That's like an insult to them. Might i know the gaming mike. You put a lot of timing and coach but i also know the game. They look at you like you. Don't i know the game like i do and yes. That's one hundred percent of a coast doesn't know what he's doing. He will get talked about a lot in the locker room if i said on average goto an n._f._l. Coaching staff f._16. Coaches on average how many are great how many your average and how many are over their head the great ones. I'd probably say it's a couple on each coaching staff great coaches. There's really good coaches average more than fifty percent overhead. I would say probably thirty percent. Dang hang in the coaches think about this. Your head coach buddy has given you a job. You have running back coach open. This guy's been a quarterback coaches coach's whole career. Oh i have only spot. I have opened as a running back position so now he goes and coaches running backs. He'll teach you football. But what can you teach you about playing running back. He's been a quarterback coaches entire career and so that that's where that's the divide you have coach as a position coach that will teach you the game of football but he can't teach you your our position and what to do and what not to do because he's foreigners foreign form. He started other wanna back coaches do it but he's never had to do it. So aaron rodgers geoff if saturday came out a year ago maybe six months ago and said aaron would roll his eyes it might mccarthy's call so twice in camp so far with a new coach matt leflore he sort sort of rolled his eyes he criticized publicly the audible system and then yesterday comes out of the day before in terms of the joint practices and said they were kinda stupid and they don't help it's so twice now with his young coach he sort of publicly said kind of a kind of the equivalent of an iro like audible system join join practices and i say this to me. That's the gap with him and brady brady's been pissed for eighteen years. He's been upset. He doesn't like his new contract but tom's table to massage the message publicly so it lands as this is. Just you know i'm just a guy. I'm just another player. Aaron wants student. No i'm not another guy and i do think the gap between brady and roger there are some maturity and leadership advantages right think. Tom understands understands. My words resonate through the building. Aaron doesn't give a rip how they resonate through the building that a fair criticism if you look at how they they came into the league brady wasn't highly touted aaron rodgers thought he should have been the first pick they came into the league differently in so brady came in humble had to earn his way aaron rodgers sat behind brett farve little bitter he yes he he was when he got that opportunity he kind of. I told you guys. I should've been that guy in so for me when i when i look at this it's it's really odd that he would publicly say whereas brady he might vinnie home but he's not going to vent publicly about these type of things. I'm just shocked that he would actually publicly say. These practices are stupid. It's a waste of a time like number. One your quarterback. It has no effect on. You're not getting hit. All you're doing is throwing the ball you for everybody. It's harder for everybody else across the guys running down on special teams sixty yard sprints that they'd come to them say man. I'm really tired. This is really tough and as he talking for them or is it's easiest saying. I think this is stupid. Don't do it again. You know when you made comments in your career because you're outspoken player you would go into marvin. Dan lewis office. You talk with teammates. Did you ever make public comments or were you aware and you didn't live in the big social media era but were you willing to go public. It just depends on what it was but for the most part i was a little politically correct at times. I always spoke my mind. I would santa locker room. I would say it to the coaches in. That's not a good thing to do and i tell guys this all the time. Shut your mouth play football. If you wanna wanna play a long time once you get ten eleven twelve shut up because as soon as they think you're declining you cannot hear and that's what's gonna happen. Aaron rodgers soon as he declines ninth. We ain't got time for you. Yeah listen. It's it's. I always heard a rumor years ago that player representatives kevin moai was a player representative tentative that that was a dangerous position to take. I was one for seven years. You sit in the room with owners and they're like is this going to the combine combined. You have meetings. I was on a euro player route for seven years having years i i was on a committee with roger goodell. When obviously we were cincinnati. We kinda started all the trouble making back then and how to navigate through that. Did you ever feel a little resentment from coaches or the microscope was on you a little looking back on. It may be at the time no. I thought i was being helpful. She know now that you think about things that have transpired. Wow because you are r._a._m. Outspoken in you you wanna look out for the players but sometimes it's okay to just shut your mouth and i didn't do that. You know it's funny. Even with when players players talk politics malcolm jenkins for the eagles talk politics but i never felt he was divisive. Malcolm's like listen. We gotta make changes in our community. I would love to work with our owners like i thought mel. Malcolm jenkins was very mature. He's like listen. There's some political things i feel strongly about. Let's work together and the eagles comply the eagles. This is the way to do it. I thought there were other players and i don't even need to mention them that went politics and it was almost a shot it was it was so the bottom line even when you talk politics or you talk policy like you. There's a way to massage the message because in the end n._f._l. Players are mostly outside of star quarterbacks man. There's a lot of replaceable replaceable the college football's giving it two hundred guys three hundred guys a year you want to everybody's replaceable coaches are human in and so they get attached to players. Why did you see when coaches leave a team. They bring players that they've coach before because they're familiar with them. You're familiar with them and so you you want to be able to get along with mark jenkins. You gotta galvanize a locker. You gotta you gotta get along with the defense. You gotta get along with the offense but you gotta get along with the black guys which will come natural but you've gotta get along with the white guys too because you have different interests and people don't think about that like we've been locker room. We play all hip hop music. There are some times now. We're gonna play country music now. We're gonna play a little leonard skinner and so you have to be able to get along you. Gotta go out with them. Hang out with their families. Go out to dinner. Enter in people don't realize in locker. Rooms guys aren't doing that. The black guys white guys. They don't go out to eat together in so the guys that can relate to both those those guys that lead to team and those are the guys that people go to. I always thought one of brady's brady talks about in the last five or six years in the off season. He'll get up on music and and tac because he knows he's got twenty two year old heading into the locker room. He's forty two years old. Brett farve once joked about it. He's like. I don't have a lot common with these new guys. It's a real thing it's stop. They'll they'll bring you in on what's going on. That's just what it is man. That's why sports is the footballs the best sport you can play because there's so many different guys come from so many different backgrounds backgrounds in you have to coexist it's great. What was the best single locker room you ever had. Wow probably when i it's not a probably the ravens was the best locker room that i had been in yeah. You weren't there very long. I was just there a year. It was the baltimore ravens. It was family rate place. The play i hi just to from top to bottom from ozzie but shoddy like he's the owner and he acted like he was just a regular dude. It was unreal. The way like if you baltimore was the place to be. I've only when we say baltimore john. I've talked about this when you say. I always think baltimore ravens well run. I don't even care what their record is. I always think of believable yeah. I always think of the ravens is a well run organization. I've had multiple guys on that team. Have become broadcasters. Castres have become coaches just feels rock solid on will but i've never was in a bad locker room either cincinnati. We have problems but our locker room. Everybody was tight. You just had some crazy people yeah. We just had a couple of crazy. People other teams have crazy people. They just kind of keep it under that exactly d._j. Good the body or a veteran newsman john goulet turn on the news. This is the third line news telling the eagles haven't decided additive carson wentz is going to play in their preseason opener tonight <hes> but once doesn't actually seem to care in fact once you take a listen to carson on how much work he feels feels. He needs in preseason games. I think i've mentioned last time. My preseason have looked vastly different every year so i don't know if i really have a formula for or it you know. I think a little bit is helpful but it's definitely never needed so again. I'll trust coach make those decisions so remember he the first season he barely early played because he was third string kinda and then he was hurt one year and i i don't. I think it's pretty clear carson is not concerned about getting reps in and in preseason games. I know you are not a fan of having four preseason game now i would have. I i've said it before i'd have i would quadruple whole the number of joint practices. I'd have one preseason game. Aaron right means not gonna like. I know that means every other year you get a home game as an n._f._l. Owner maybe maybe two so every owner gets one home game and one road game <hes>. I don't buy this argument that you need four preseason games to to to jeff figure out your roster first of all your roster is thirty players smaller than a college roster right. You have double to triple the practice time film time and yet college can start start day. One auburn oregon meet no prec auburn oregon huge game for both organizations balti- play week one with a third the practice time. I'm with younger players so i think it's a bunch of hooey well and also in college. You can withstand like you can have an injury but you might have a really good player. That's just really a young at that position if carson one like they don't have nick foles anymore the season's over right. Why would you risk playing him to get reps. He's been only thing about the n._f._l. I love the n._f._l. This is my big knock on the n._f._l. This is whole it's it's the optics are bad the footballs bad bad. I i feel the n._f._l. Allows it because they want to go to doing eighteen game schedule and they kind of want it to be bad. Yeah 'cause eighteen and tucson's a lot better than sixteen and four <hes> twenty two n._f._l. Teams will play in week one of the preseason tonight. However one team might be a little more intriguing than the others cuyler murray and the cardinals play the chargers tonight at work so it's actually be being able to see it so we get our first glimpse of cuyler and cliff kingsbury together. I'm sure they're not going to put the whole playbook on display. I'm sure they also don't wanna get cuyler hurt hurt but this is one of the rare preseason games where i really kinda wanna see it. Oh yeah because i wanna see at least a little glimpse of what it what it will look like i mean. What do you think we're going to see him. Tonight rushes here. This is the only team honestly i if there were three teams i wanna watch the preseason arizona's number one on absolutely i would kinda like to see bakker oh b._j. In cleveland for a couple of snaps i'd like to see latvian bell for a couple of snaps in new york but after that the other twenty nine most of the time it's just it's just rookie quarterback's right. I just want to see the guys. I'm interested to see haskins with the redskins nothing else about the redskins but just him yeah now but i don't know how much o._j. And baker are gonna play but cuyler at least because it's not just him. It's this whole like. Are they gonna run some kind of crazy college offense. This is gonna work and to not work very little. I wanna see in the preseason. <hes> i'm like fans. My fingers are crossed. Nobody gets hurt. I mean that's that's literally what i am reduced do as eight n._f._l. Fan in the preseason brang great players and quarterbacks don't get hurt and finally <hes> sam darnold taking shots. It's at tom brady clearly. <hes> darnold asked to be part of a birthday video for tom. Brady where players could give them a little message. Drew agrees that it does shawn watson. Did it many other players did it. Sam darnold said no wouldn't wish tom brady happy birthday. He explained quote. I'm going to get every competitive edge. I can because he's going to do the same. He's the ultimate competitor. He's exactly where i want to be when i'm his age to chase that i can't be giving him anything giving him apparent a birthday wish. I love this sam darnold. I think this is shots fired by your boy at your other boy darnold this kid he may have over thought the situation. This is how grownups act. I don't wish competitors happy birthday. He you think i'm gonna wish all my competitors happy birthday. I'm not i don't want him to have physical or mental harm but i we are competing every day john i i mean against every show. We're just competing so you've net no other show. No other host of any other show has ever gotten a happy birthday tax called me and told me it was his birthday and i wouldn't recognize it competition veteran newsman john goulash well. That's the news and thanks for stopping by sir. I know it's one of my favorite segments. Tomorrow's headlines today with jason mcintyre right around the corner on on a thursday. What our show today it's the heard be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern not an pacific by the way you know that seinfeld does comedians in cars do coffee. He's finally got my favorite guy. Who's at martin short. That's your favorite. Oh god nobody makes me laugh harder on talk show appearances then martin short wow i cannot say that he was great on carson. He's great on letterman. He's great on bill maher. Our martin short is one of the funniest people on the planet. Lau site. Finally seinfeld got him on comedian cars doing coffee. It's on is it incredible credible. They just showed a clip. He's already just brilliant when i think funniest comedians on the plan short probably doesn't crack that's because you're like nineteen years old. Yeah martin short was a big deal in the eighties right. Mark short's still unbelievable. His last couple of weeks on letterman were the funniest d ever been. Wow the great american learned something new city array day martin shorts a great american storyteller. He's a great communicator. He deny any of that okay eddie murphy. That's who i'm excited about coming back on netflix. You heard about that all right what what what you're out on any murphy to talk about the eighties. Oh my gosh we found the one guy who does not like eddie might go watch raw right now. It is incredible. You'll be laughing for an hour straight. Eddie murphy raw all right. We do a segment called. Tomorrow's headlines today. Jason mcintyre started in the newspaper paper business than bailed on it about forty minutes in and created a site made a bunch of money so <hes> you predict as a newspaper guy what the headline will be tomorrow so tomorrow's headlines headlines today. What will we see from lebian bell after taking a year off yet supplant tonight right. Are you excited. You gotta watch believe the headline will be saved by la belle isle talking about eighty s. How about the early nineties saved by the bell love an awesome show. I've seen every episode multiple times but people keep talking about sam darnold and the level. He's going to rise to the second year and quinton williams. You know we've talked about right at camp. Levian bell is the guy to watch because because if you look at adam gazes history when he was in chicago. What did he do. He got the ball to matt forte out of the backfield. Catching passes running the football over a thousand in yards nine hundred ninety s what happened with kenyan drake last year in miami awesome dual threat now. You're gonna love eon bell colin who is arguably the best complete running back in the n._f._l. I mean no disrespect to ezekiel elliott. I think bell is going to be a monster people in new york. We're excited for saquon barkley. I think if you do fantasy football levy levy on bells going to be a basis here. They also brought in jamison crowder hurt. Who's it actually was the second best slot receiver on the market who has had a great camp so you been light on the hot takes today. This is not that incendiary but the new york jets had the best skill position players in the a._f._c. east. Okay we know the dolphins don't have anybody the buffalo flo bills and the patriots lost gronk so it's basically sony michelle and julian edelman versus levian bell and the jet skies. You even like chris herndon the jets tight n._f._l. Suspended for four games but the jets skill position players are the best in the a._f._c. east. Okay tomorrow's headlines today. How will the often look under freddie kitchens and baker mayfield contractually obligated to talk baker mayfield every time on this show because of what happened at one time and i believe the headline will be kitchens. New shotgun offense as you see. Baker mayfield shot getting a beer. Yes yes no no lukewarm on that headline. Here's the funny thing about freddie kitchens. Do you know what he was doing this time last year one year ago he was running backs coach at the cleveland browns. Yes he was running backs coach now. He is the the leader of a team that has major expectations and they've got major personalities in that clubhouse. I just you know freddie. Kitchens loves to go deep and they that's why they got odell. Beckham and baker mayfield through the most percentage of deep passes in the league last year. People don't realize he likes to throw deep. Odell beckham is is he gonna be healthy. Collins sixteen thirty two games the last two years. He's missed sixteen of thirty three only part of cleveland's roster. I don't like i think they're offensive. Offensive line is an injury away at the interior spots of being a complete masks because they're not good at tackles and i rely on scouts for this. It's the a hole in the team so the question becomes if there was an injury upfront. Bakers not have the time no so. I think the browns are gonna win a bunch again. I'm not doubting that i think they'll be a little rocky in the first six weeks because their schedule and their noon. It's new coat news system of new players but i do think the offensive line. That is the cross. Your fingers unit with cleveland can't have an injury. You are on record picking the titans in week one against the best entry. I can't believe you like the titans a lot colin dark. Eventually we get to them. Tomorrow's headlines today. How will the raiders do their last season in oakland. Yeah i'm not bullish on the oakland raiders. They got like twenty two new players players free agents and their schedules brewer. All of the world is it's. Here's the headline for the oakland raiders the joke lind raiders. I don't know if you watched any any of hard knocks. Gianluigi distracting jon gruden is now very likable. I mean he's living off. Basically one super bowl win with tony dungy's angie's guys. Did you see what he did after that in tampa nothing and jon gruden last year derek carr had his worst year as a professional since his rookie year gruden supposed to be this quarterback whisper. I don't like anything about oakland and i call them joke land because as you saw the 'antonio brown stuff it's a mess listen mccollum cryotherapy place where we live in manhattan beach. I go there. I was going to have them post the picture but they were like we can't do shirtless mcintyre on whatever but in cryotherapy they have. You put on socks and crocs. You can't go in there with nothing on your feet like how dim is antonio brown's. You just walk in there with nothing on his feet. Yeah no when you go to these. What are you doing therapy places. They pretty restrictive. Some guys have met their homes but i wouldn't but this this is an embarrassment. Antonio brown may not be ready for week one and now you're relying on josh jacobs the rookie running back who i like alabama i. There's nothing to like about this raiders offensive line. It's going to be ugly for oakland. Tomorrow's headlines today. What does the new contract mean for. Tom brady. You know we saved the best for last because you love tom. Tom brady and i think the headline will be as scape goat. Everybody's bashing the brady contract. I do believe then. I this is not anything crazy. I think tom brady set to retire after this year and he gets it. If you look at last year they completely reinvented themselves colin much more running running much more of a power team the last sixty i mean this is the greatness of bill belichick is completely reinvented the patriots over two decades initially they were defense and run and then there was the randy moss era then there was the gronk era and now it's back to ground and pound with sony michelle and brady. We've been over. He was not great in the playoffs playoff by the way i think the saints are doing the same with brees three or four biggest cap hits your on the line michael thomas they signed signed up they had the fewest attempts drew brees in like eight years so i think i think the saints and the patriots are putting money into into their offensive line's realizing our quarterbacks need more protection by the way the patriots draft receiver. The saints pay to receiver one hundred million dollars so i think i think it shows you. The end is near but i don't think it shows you. The end is imminent in the near future. I think it's i think it's i think brady's got two more years than i think you know. Why to i mean this is the first full year without gronk and they're already growing ground and pound. He's gonna be forty-three next august. Now i know isn't it amazing and i had a salary cap guru on my radio show and he talked about how the breeze contract essentially sets up for drew brees could retire if they win the super at this year drew brees can walk away. I think he may and the same could be said for tom. Brady you might just ride off into the sunset like peyton manning like john elway to other the top ten quarterbacks all time what is brady have left approve colin well. That's not how alzheimer's thing what is sabin have left approve all time aspirational people don't think in terms of that they just wanna wanna keep winning and they like the money like the challenge. They liked the competition the money he's ease lease taking less money than the market says i. I don't think i don't think that's how that's that's how rich people think that's not how all time greats michael jordan lebron james. I think they just like competition. They like winning now. You always get to do the headlines but for the first first and probably last time ever. I am delivering a headline so oh boy okay this okay so i want to get back to the antonio brown story. He messed up his foot during cryotherapy therapy. I've been told you do cryotherapy. I do yes okay. I do not do cryotherapy because i think it's a little shaky. Not shake is great. It's not jumping into a coal tub up and if you've never done that it's minus two hundred degrees and i've seen a lot of people have messed up skin so i don't believe in it you believe in it so my headline today is is cry. Oh meah river there. I in my head peeking out. I'm telling you i had my son. Take that photograph he came with so where did you do that at its in manhattan begic cryotherapy spot and listen. It's great. It's cheap. It's not expensive. You go play tennis a lot. Yeah okay so you play a tough three-set match. It's two hours. What what do you do to recover after the matt vodka club zone okay that's one option i will go cryotherapy after it kind of refreshes recharges your body. It quicker than just icing are thirty years old. I'm not as young as you think and also <hes> you know. It's good to keep your body body and mind colin. You can't just be reading all the time you gotta do the body. Do you think it works. Does it hurt no. It doesn't hurt come on. It's just cold. Two minutes in the chamber. Basically didn't lebron's not me. Lebron got one at home. If lebron does it is i mean it's good enough for lebron later that john john set in my ear. You're volunteering volunteering for frostbite. There's zero chance at frostbite. John trust me look. He's got the gloves on you. Gotta wear gloves tax. Toy antonio brown a bit of a dope. He doesn't forget it. You know they didn't put anything on his feet jay glazer you know jay glazer tangibly. He's only five foot four. How can you lose stop. The glazers gonna come after you know you show lasers big <hes> right bourbon meyer greg cosell kris haines t j hoffman's oughta and jason jason mcintyre. Tomorrow's headlines today. I'm off tomorrow. Speak for yourself. I've got a labor intensive day off damara doing families too labor labor-intensive. No kreil one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio app search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like what's up folks this chris bruce art and i am here with my partner rob parker and together together. We are the odd that's right. Join kristen me every day as we give you. 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Full Show (Dak's contract, Kevin Durant, Brees vs. Brady, '85 Bears, '19 Chiefs, Cam + Belichick)

Skip and Shannon: Undisputed

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Full Show (Dak's contract, Kevin Durant, Brees vs. Brady, '85 Bears, '19 Chiefs, Cam + Belichick)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jerry Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode of undisputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate. So Skip Shannon. Let's get to it and good morning. Welcome happy Friday. And Johnny Taff get famous and Shannon. How are you doing today doing great in the week about to go? Five no chemo. Unblemished Alive in almost four years never lost it to meet this bagels really allowed me to say of Friday. Shout out to the goat. Little Wade. Who recently dropped album called funeral? Which pretty much describes what's about to happen to Shannon Sharpe on this show. Well I could be the little goat away. The logo with that other wheel another about you ain't got on the Brian Shirt on you. The crowd not the jump Man Kreil. That's a good sign or we showed up waiting to start the show. All right guys. I feel like it's only appropriate to start with skips cowboys and the latest with their quarterback situation because according to a report deck Prescott and the cowboys lack of a term deal stems back to the beginning of last season after starting up with three straight wins to go along with nine touchdowns and only two interceptions. Dax camp reportedly asked for more money. According to the report the Jones family was quote not only upset at decks representation. I think they were also a bit upset at Dak as well so Shannon. Are You surprised by this? No I'm not surprised Yanni limitation what. I'm not surprised that I might have a different answer than what you think might have given. I'm the I'm not surprised at the wind and the depth that Jerry and Steven Jones are going to try to make that look greedy to make that look selfish. And that's what they're doing why they're leaking. This information is the very reason that two years ago at the Combine. They stroll to the podium. And as that. That's going to give us a discount. It is an honor to play quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys. All they're trying to do is to pay that as greedy. Excuse me if unwilling to work with US scared this is. This is a shame this is Lord of whale. Poop the cowboy the cowboy. The I say cowboys I mean Jerry. Stephen shouldn't stoop to this level of question to Jerry. Why did you release Dave Brat? He Cartwright for two years you dean that if play was not sufficient to earn that amount of money. Okay so dag fade the money that you're offering me I. My play is worth more than you leaked that information. Come from the cowboys you know that I know that skip. So let me ask you a question. Dak Prescott. Tears is the first game of the year. Thirty five million still table for about one hundred and ten guarantee so also. Hello Jerry. Jones can go back and asked to take a pay cut because they restructure contracts in the NFL. All the time. And I don't want to be brought to talk about the NFL. Let's talk just a cowboy in the history of the cowboys gift you actually do. You believe they've asked players that they deem weren't playing a part to take a pay cut. As a matter of fact that's how we got one of the all time great lab back demarcus is where you'll remember. That's that's why we got him. How do we get him? Give him a contract with the cowboys. The cowboys released because they didn't believe you've played with up to par Jerry cutting. We got so. Gary has done this before. But it's only as long as jerry can do it to a player do he? Deem inappropriate but if a player were to ask Jerry for more money because he believes people warm better or perform better than the contract. Jerry have the commission and now he leaks this information to the cowboys. Fan Base. They guys we're trying to get this done but that just being greedy bank is being unfair to us and I don't really know what you want to do. But we're just going to hold foreign to our guns that's all. Jerry's doing no. I'm not surprised that data ask for more money because you should let it get to this point anyway. You had an opportunity to reduce deal and you didn't do it so this is where you are right. Now that Chemo holding up stink till you go so time out. How do you know that the cowboys leaked this information? How do you know this didn't come from the agent of one Dak Prescott benefits them as much as it benefits the cowboys to leave? Noah Noah does not benefit that. How does it benefit that? You thought the cowboys thought he had a deal. He played well the first three games in our sudden. He's asking for more money. How does that that well exactly arguing back on? You deserve more money. Okay so now back to Jimmy's questions. I was a little surprised by this. But this certainly explain and made more sense out of a lot of things that I have not been able to make sense out of. So let's backtrack. We do know that this wasn't leaked by the cowboys. These were public comments by Jerry. Jones as pointed out by this story that remember after opening afternoon at Gerry world. They had a big win. Over are not very good. Eli Manning quarterback New York Football Giants Team. Dak had a big day. Threw for four hundred and five yards had a qbr ninety four scale zero donder really good way to go back. Jerry said after the game that it is imminent that we're going to get a deal done with Dak Prescott and somebody said Jerry imminent meaning what and he said. I'm talking about days. I had told you the previous week that once. Ezekiel Elliott came back from his holdout in Kabul saw Lucas and thought Jerry caved in. He got a great deal. Ninety million total dollars we can go on and on about how much guaranteed but it was a really good deal that did make Zeke. The highest paid running back so I told you kept holding me holding my feet to the fire on this. I can't say in Shannon. That means that DAX deal is imminent. I expected Jerry to get back done in the next couple of days. Right after Zeke ahead of the home opener I thought it would be like to nuclear bombs dropping and the cowboy locker room and good way. Boom they got zeke boom. They got done booed here. We go super bowl here. We come and I did pick last year's Dallas cowboys to win the NFC and get to the Super Bowl. So I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting nothing happens. I'm waiting after the opener. A day passes two days three days. I'm thinking maybe it's Tomorrow's undisputed that we get to talk about DAX new contract. Nothing happened they go to Washington and Dak has another really good day he. It's a twenty. Six of thirty passes had another big. Qbr Of Ninety four scales zero to one hundred. They had another big easy win over team that you thought wasn't very good. The Washington redskins although they are archrivals of the cowboys. And nothing. We get anything from Jerry. Jones there's no announcement. There's no deal for back. Here comes Miami to Jerry World the lowly dolphins. They're getting the doors blown off by everybody and the cowboys blew their doors off. Thirty one to six and Dak had another very good day of eighty two not not hugely great but berry good so he started off with. Qbr's of ninety four ninety four eighty two and chanted sharp. The hall of Famer is telling me each Monday on undisputed. These teams are garbage. Shouldn't even count. These are empty calories. These yards shouldn't even count your overrating said the hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe. How well Dak is playing against bad football teams? Well guess what according to Charles Robinson and I do respect his reporting on Yahoo. That's win DAX representative. I assume it was todd France. Ca with back to Jerry's. They kept trying to go back and forth over pennies basically because they thought they were so close and he said Jerry. According to this report no we changed our number. We warned you. This could happen if we didn't get this deal done. We change our number two a number that Charles Robinson reports was a ridiculous demand ridiculous quote unquote on the part of Iraq and his agent. And so Jerry says Charles Robinson. What's no he did say? That's from Charles's report ridiculous. Been telling this from my sources are telling me that is asking for ridiculous money right. So you're stuck again. Shannon you dismiss the first three games as garbage teams and yet Dak and his agent had the audacity to say we bet on our sales jerry and we won you won against and the Redskins also realize about Jerry. Okay go ahead. All I want to say is this. I said everything that you're saying. I said these teams are very good. But that's not what you said you said. The giants are division. Rivals New said the Redskins Archer Division rivals. You play that performance up. Not what did you say the couch? The giants in Washington and Miami was his bad as I said they were. And you that performance. Now it's time to get paid. You Say Yeah. He had a good day but it was his bad teams now which is were they bad or they bad now is performance. Good good or not good. Now I'm a cowboy fan. I love my quarterback. I loved him before anybody in loved him. I loved him after the First Exhibition PRESEASON GAME. I saw out here in la against the ranch when he was a raw rookie out of Mississippi State. I'm not in the hall of fame you. You're the one who does me. It's all garbage so maybe if Jerry was watching undisputed that point he sat back and I know he does watch us and he said the hall of Famer is saying these are garbage teams and now they're asking for a ridiculous news amount of money off those three games and according to this report. Jerry Jones was steamed. He's dealt burned. He held it not only against the agent. He was very upset with Dak Prescott Shannon and I've told you the one guy I really know the guy. I spent hundreds of hours around as I wrote three books about the Dallas Cowboys. Jerrell Wayne Jones. Junior I think I get him. I think I have a really good feel for him. And there's one thing you do not do to Jerry Jones. You do not double cross him. You do not change the deal in the middle of the deal you do not dare him to to suddenly have to pay you way more money a ridiculous about money because Jerry has a short fuse on that temper Jerry remember. His reputation is with everybody else. All the other stars he's ever dealt with. He has over paid every one of them but they didn't cross him. They did jerk the rug out from under him at the last second and say April fool's Jerry. We want a new ridiculous number. After the first three games. Nobody ever did that to Jerry. But if you cross him he will below and once he blows that gasket. Here's asked Jimmy Johnson. Bad things start happening. He gets really stubborn. Proud dug in over here just the way deck and his Asia or a stubborn proud and doug over their way over there so now a funny thing happened Shannon Sharpe. As DAK was on the way to the bank he continued about on himself. Because Jerry said no okay. I'll bet on myself the rest of the year and over the next thirteen games DAX average. Qbr fell all the way to sixty two scale zero to under so first three games go ninety four ninety four eighty two. That's an average of ninety and all of a sudden the next thirteen. It falls clear down to sixty to some of the notables had a grand total of thirty four gets Green Bay at home he had a grand total of twenty six England. He had that fifty five on Thanksgiving afternoon at Gerry. World complete utter humiliation at the hands of the buffalo bills and then of course he goes to Philly the game of the year. He misses two or three big throws especially the one to a wide open tae on has a Qbr of thirty eight pro football focus ranked Dacca over the last thirteen games the fifteenth best quarterback in the NFL on performance over those thirteen gains. He bet on himself and he lost. Did Jerry. Then say I lower my or my offer? Did he drop his? Ought nope he did. Not according to everybody. He stayed right where he was. He may have even sweeten the pot a little bit for. I know because the deal on the table is really good. I keep telling you. It's thirty thirty five thirty six million a year in making the highest paid quarterback in football about one hundred and ten million guaranteed and Charles Robinson. Did note that the Dak team now is starting to think well. It is a really good offer. Maybe we should think a little harder about taking it. So that was the good news in this but the bad news is that he says both sides are still a little raw from what happened early in the year. This doesn't surprise me at all. I knew something like this was going on. And again the Dak who bet on himself early and suddenly wanted more money. Shannon should he now reduce is demand because he played pretty ordinary football over the last thirteen games? So I'm okay. If he doesn't do that I'm not okay that he upped his demand the first time. I'M ASKING QUESTIONS GIFT. So it all his tricks sixty two average over the last thirteen games. What was that you where that you be are at total total over the course of the year now the last thirteen game when you average it out. They Play Sixteen Games. Not Thirteen nine eleven. Not Five over Sixteen Games. Where did that ranking Qbr? Fourth thanks to ninety four ninety four eighty two. What will kill skill so in other words if I get a great start if I get out to a great start I lose three games but I give myself cushite and I make the playoffs. Should I not make the playoffs because I lost three games in a row? I don't think so. I love how you always tell my dad that jerk from Jerry Jerry. Jerk the rug out from under Dave Brat we had two years. Lil did he. Jerk the rug out from the demarcus ware. Three demarcus they ended up with the with the broncos. And I just WanNa know how you see what is happening is that Jerry thinks players should be grateful to whatever he offered. You should be glad that's how he thinks he's got his back. Pay Base Fan bases. Think like that what you should be you making that Kinda money. I would do anything to make that kind of money. But his relative. You're not a professional athlete. You have to look at it in terms of what you do based on the money that you make see Jerry feels. He can do whatever He. I'm the owner and you take what I give you know. No Jerry was so upset that he was so chain in Rob Roy about what decade done. He didn't let him go test the market he put the tag on it so in other words he wasn't upset at all. Because you don't want something let it go clearly clearly. Jerry Dad Prescot. I'M SURPRISED THAT THE LYNN. But you still haven't told me where. Charles Robinson Gotten this information. He got from that timeframe right. Is that what you're telling me I do know scale the I don't really business bar do a good to listen did you. Did you talk to Charles? About this? I didn't skill. You've been in the business part to loan. You know guys are not going to release any information that makes them that. Pays them in a negative light? But Jerry releasing this does what it pays that in a negative light. You know this a common man you don't have to be a roadscholar hail you can beat a roadmap and understand. What's going on you don't do that? Don't play Shannon agents talk to other agents agents have close friends who were other agents. It's highly possible all were agent. Who's very close? I'M NOT DOING ANYTHING. I'm just telling you the truth as I know from almost fifty years in this business scale so make just for me just for me. I haven't been fifty years but I've been a little little little circle the NFL. So one agent is going to tell another agent business. What we're going to knowing that if it gets out is going to pay my client is going to pay me in a negative light is GonNa make me look greedy. So that's what I'm GonNa do so I'm GonNa tell I'm GonNa do that. I'm GonNa tell another agent with the possibility of getting out under the agent and I'm going to tell Charles Robinson business what we did. Jerry offered us this. We play great the first three days we asked for. We ask for more. So he's going to do kill. You went out both note. That's not going to happen from the Berry Jaw. Everything has gotten lead. What what they're offering that. How much is guaranteed when they offered? It has come from the cowboy size it side in hopes of Painting Dak Prescott in a negative light. They started this campaign two years ago. And they've been in it since Shannon Sharpe if they really wanted to nail Dak Prescott if they really wanted to completely discredit and undercut hand which would be cutting off nose to spite your face. Because he is the face of their franchise. They would then leak exactly how much he's asking for. I don't know the exact figure but I think it's over forty million so you so one of those who were where your own. What about they were making these compared this that what? What does make when he got his big deal like ten million? We're talking about fourteen talking about forty million dollars a year crippling to the salary cap. It's such a commitment that if you blow it if you way overpaid this win and get stuck with what you've called many times on this show a mediocre Dak Prescott. You have blown your next five years. I don't think again most people would say this leaked information actually would put back in paint him in a good way because he had the guts to bet on himself against Jerry Jones. He won for a while and then he lost for a while so again. I'm just throwing it back at you because you are the ones who dismissed the first three games as garbage. I did not so I did show me gumption. He showed me backbone. He went out there and said okay. Watch this Jerry. And he did. He showed him up for three games and then they did something. You can't do Jerry Jones. You can't suddenly ask for a ridiculous amount of money. Then you are asking for but the thing is is that I spoke about that the first three games you did. Not but you know what I haven't heard from you yet. You didn't mention anything about Jason Gary. Every time you lost the game it was Jason Garrett Ball Prescott faulk not that money new have yet to bring up Jason Gerry. Why is that wait a second? I would say in times out of Sixteen Games you gave Dak Prescott an F. Why should I bring up Jason Garrett? When you're giving my quarterback fs I would say I have suggests it's all his fault so I'm just accepting what what I got taught by the Hall of Famer Shannon Shahr F F- F failed. Failed failed failed. That's who he was he was. Dak Failed Prescott who who in this world? No skip bayless skill males. This great skill Baylor from Oklahoma City will going to be a of share yourself. How about you accepted you. You can't feed me. I can see you and the look your pay scale. All I said was out looking at Dash Plate. I'm looking at who he's playing against and I graded accordingly. But every time I did you deloitte grade you gave all year is a see everything is would be that as it even when. I gave us that. It was his head coaches. Now all of a sudden all those losses is not Jason Garrett Fault is that Prescott Fault you put blame on a Man. You never put blame all the day after or two days after it was always Jason Garrett. Now it's time for him to get paid. They constantly leaked the cowboy leak information. You have yet to Midget Jason. Garrett mentioned the cowboys at skill. They did this deal at the what going into what you're three. But they chose not to write what they do. That's why you went to plus now. No No. No no no what they chose to. They made this offer the moment they could. I make they were real close for a long time. It went on for a year and I thought OK before the opener. We'll get this were. Where's the announcement I'm waiting? I'm waiting no because Dak and his it kept saying more more more until they were asking for money. That is big as fan said. I'm sorry that's out of bounds. That's outrageously out of bounds. I think they want forty million. I think they want mahomes money. Mahomes the clock is now taking on a mahomes deal. I don't know what you'll get. Fifty million he could be the first quarterback to get two hundred million guaranteed does DAK deserve that. No he does not. He hasn't proven to be Patrick. Mahomes maybe he will but he can't sell that just yet still. I love her. They were closed. You know what's I've been to a couple of days. I went to the eighth grade dance and I went to a country Western bar in Denver called the stampede. And the only time closeness matter is when you country dancing when you're slow dancing that's the only time but in eighth grade. We have role so you really couldn't get that close. They weren't as close as you thought. But I just want you to tell me. Why are the cowboys continuously leaking information? That would pay press got a negative life. Okay you offer this. You want to hold that. Why do you feel you need to advertise to the world? The only way you could argue out of this is by claiming using them of leaky. The information makes you look really bad policy speculation whether Kevin Durant could make a comeback attempt with a delayed and season. That's teammate Spencer. Dinwiddie had high praise for Katie. He said quote at eighty percent. Durant is Dirk Nowitzki at one hundred percent. He's the best score of all time Shannon. Strong words to you know Steph. Look I get it as a team mate especially you have a great team mate. You heap praise and you try to say old man. This guy is unbelievable. A reason why we having such great success although Kevin Durant have not play for the Knicks yet skipped but I get what he's trying to do here must give went overboard. How do you feel? He's about he's been so. What did we fleeing? So have we not seen Kevin Durant healthy? Never Seen Kevin durant every thirty five. You can't say if if this bet what we've seen from Kevin Durant of previous eleven twelve. He'd been league eleven years twelve years proud of him being hurt skipped. We've never seen him score the clip. The Jordan did we've never seen him first of all. Take the quesion we know. We'll we'll thirty in twenty three so we're going to remove him we those really since the merger skill is he a better score the. Mj Is he a better score than Kobe is. Better scoring to what we've seen James Harden over the last five years it does say eighty percent of Kevin rate is Dirk Nowitzki. Does he realize what dirt was a finals? Mvp ELITE MVP. To twelve time all star. He was the first true stritch. Gather that high tall. That could shoot it. From that distance. He was the birth and to say Kevin rated eighty percent is Dirk Nowitzki prime. That's utterly ridiculous statement to make now. I believe Kevin Durant I mean the land public. Some people believe he the top ten player if he they not top ten player currently by the time he's done. I believe he will be but to say Kevin Durant at eighty percent if Dortmund Nabisco with dark Nabisco an mvp you believe that eighty percent Kevin durant still would have been an MVP. Kevin Iran deal would have been a two time finals. Mvp At eighty percent of what he is what he is best. You believe he would accomplish that. I do not skip bayless. Now it's going to be interesting to see what Kevin Durant is coming up. Kelly's injury skipped now. I do not believe Kevin Durant game is based on explosiveness or quickness. Be Interesting to see because a half inch here will have is. There could be in that. I know it's difficult to contest the guy that have the arc got a seven foot tall and shooting the ball of the temple. They picked I get that. But it's GonNa be interesting to see how this Aquinas affects has game what he can't what he can't do so it's not like they ask. Kevin Durant Kevin. Now we don't need you to average about ten twelve fifty triple doubles. That season will mean lead. The rebound leaders and assist. Kevin is better score. He says Lebron great season have yet to excuse me here yet. To average six assists Lebron has sixteen seasons of those so skip is not like we're asking him to facilitate he's never done that. Russia's taken on that task Steph curry had that dream on took that task in the warrior. So he's been a score but I find issued. This should be beneath dinwiddie. You hype a guy without trying to minimize minimize what another guy accomplish. Kevin Durant of the hell of a ball player and I hope he comes back to to what he was even better but to say Kevin Durant at eighty percent. If Dirk Nowitzki that's that's that's pokes patently blatantly box did did I just hear you proclaim Michael Jordan the goat? Did you just say Michael Boring it right? I think he was dead. Then I appreciate it. I applaud you for that way. Going Shannon you find you know you finally gave in the joined the rest of the World Jordan is the goat Iria goat. Can I for you go? How do you do use? I'm saying Michael Jordan is a better score. Colby is a better score James Harden ended the prime of better score. Been carrying the radios. How did you deduce? I say that that Michael Jordan then is to go. I didn't say that okay. I'll let you off that. Hook right now but now you're back on another hook. Kevin Durant is the best player on the planet. We haven't seen him for a year because he tore his Achilles tendon so he's been out of sight and out of line until his new teammate. Spencer dinwiddie made this comment Spencer. Dinwiddie actually made a very objective berry true comment. Kevin Durant is the most talented score we've ever seen. I often called Michael Jordan. A supremely talented overachiever fact. Bob Costas once used that line for my go tribune column during a final telecast on NBC. He liked it so much. But that's what Jordan was. He wasn't as gifted as Kevin is because Michael was six. Six Kevin is seven feet. Tall and Kevin has an eight foot. Wingspan Kevin Durant has has made ninety percent of his free throws for an entire season. Kevin Durant at eighty nine percent. Free throw maker for his career. He's seven feet tall four times. Kevin Durant has made more than forty percent of his three point attempts for all season. Think about that four times. He went over forty percent from three want and back in the days. I was on a show called whole pizza. Went Kevin was at University of Texas for that one year. I routinely predicted on the air. This guy is going to win multiple scoring titles in the NBA. And everybody on. That show laughed at me. And now he's one four scoring titles and twice. He's average more than thirty points. A game for an entire season. We've never seen anything like Kevin Durant and just when you thought you could say well has done at the highest level back to back finals. He went to Lebron House for game. Threes in the Kings House in his palace and he owned those games. He took them over. He made shots right in. Lebron's grill jumper after mid range jumper. Kevin Durant is the best mid range jump shooter. We've seen since Michael Jordan and for him to be back to back finals. Mvp just cemented the case validated everything. Yeah he can do it at the very highest level against what is your best was saying. What about the eighty percent? I ask you a simple question would have a car. What he accomplished eighty percent eighty percent of. What you see complex would hear very eighty percent. Yeah Yeah I'll give him better Turkey. Percents will stop fly. Just come okay. Let me give you exhibit B. Then from another teammate of his although now an ex teammate Andrei Iga Santa about a year ago told sports illustrated this quote. If I might read it. Listen and learn Andrei said of Kevin Durant. People don't appreciate him enough. He's the most talented score of all time. And now he's a walking thirty points. He'll get thirty on twelve shots. That's very very hard to do. Very efficient most guys need to feel the ball of their hands. A lot to get a rhythm he does not Michael Jordan Kareem abdul-jabbar. Were the two guys with unstoppable moves. Mj Had the fadeaway cream. Had the SKYHOOK. But Katie is a seven footer. Who can hit a heavy poll up from fifty feet out? That's his unstoppable. Move that's it. I couldn't say it any better myself Andrea dollar gets it. He has high basketball. I Q in living with cabin on the same team. Getting to seem in practice under I finally concluded that's the most gifted score of all time because what when that jumpers falling. You can't block it. You can't even get a hand up his face. It's up to high skill. I'm not. I'm not debating that not arguing that just because someone is talented skill. Who the mortality of the receivers random also jerry. Rice Randy Moss ramp pastor. He could jump higher. Had a bigger catch radius just because he's more talented. What do the numbers fate? What does touchdown what is yours? What DOES CATCH? What does what does that say. Skip the numbers say Jay writes in the grades? Okay Kevin Durant is maybe more talent. Because he's Taller. He can shoot the ball at how arc but what does the number faith. And then the argument is eighty percent of what you see. Kevin Durant is Dirk Nowitzki. Do you and I ask. Do you believe ca eighty percents of what we're seeing. Kevin rated is best. Do you believe he would have been an MVP? Do you want to believe he will be back to back finals? Mvp I do not. I don't know. Eighty percents hard to quantify he is so supremely gifted that if I took twenty percents away would he still be? Pretty unstoppable. Yeah he would be and again. Do you realize about Dirk? I wasn't I know exactly what I'm saying. I never was sure about Dirk. He did have that one breakthrough against Lebron. But that was more lebrons fault. Then credit going to Dirk Nowitzki. That was the twenty eleven finals win. Lebron James suffered the the worst superstar meltdown in the history of sports in Games. Four five and six Lebron melted down and open the door for Dirk to finally have a breakthrough and say oh. Okay I am this guy I I never thought he was that guy and I'm still not completely sure he was. That guy been yes. Is that guy? 'cause required skip. You don't mind me asking. Could I ask you a question? The Kobe meltdown because back back finals. Mvp they come back to back finals and Dirk Swivel. He also became a with route. So did he built out. So did they melt. Just need to make sure to make sure because we say melting meltdown. So the so-called melting down because he got swell coming back to back finals. Mvp so he mailed the now. Why not wait a minute? Wait a minute just affected you. Watch wait wait. Was Kobe two games to one. No that Laker told him with jot. It was finished. It was quitting. Quit on Phil Jackson you know. It was decimated. It was injured. Coby was hurt. They're all hurt. That was bad. Lakers team you and I know it. Dallas took advantage of what they were not still. Are you saying a back to back channel with the finals? Bp in both of those winds were a bad team. So how did they make it to the playoffs? You know what? I'M NOT GONNA go there. You're trying to change the subject off the point at hand. Which is that. Who is the best on the planet? Okay Kevin Durant Bron James. You know it. Nobody saying I'm trying to show you we're we're we're all here angst is coming from here. You're saying Oh my God oh my God I lost the Jordan Tobago. Now I'm going to lose the Katie debate and you're saying what about Dirk know what about. Yeah it's not about Moss. What he he said. Eighty percent of Kevin Durant is better than dirt is. That was the contact. You Lebron it says you took in there gonNA go there who has more rigorously than it'd be being who has more finals teens who has more all NBA teams who have all Star appearances. Who is going more points who the same time prayed. Who is the better score? Kevin Durant or Lebron James. That is the question at hand. Lebron James Averages more points been Kevin Durant Lebron James Averages more points than Kevin Durant. He's used a higher percentage than Kevin Durant. Okay next question. I next question. Who took over to back to back game threes in successive finals in the king's Palace in Cleveland. You don't know who was that. Guy Number Thirty Golden State Warriors. We do like I would do. I would reiterate what Lebron James do so I can. I interest you in order to thirteen nine in the losing call. Because that's what we do. You know when you play. Great you lose not your. That's what we did for Jordan Jordan. Lose a game play. Great his fault. So the Dave and game three that first time in a Cleveland was the number skill? So we can't put that on here next who came to your restaurant after the game because you only serve loser. Restaurant came knocking on the door. Can I come in? What metrics what metrics skip my guy? Averages more points more rebounds more than you're my guy has more first team all NBA. Then you're my guy has more all star appearances. Been Your Guy More all star. Mvp then you're guy more definitive birth teams. Your guys never made me. The first team. Heavy made it a thirteen. So I'll just ask you. What what are you using to say? Kevin Durant is better than abroad other than being seven foot tall. As as you always tell me about Jordan. It's it's not about history. It's about now what's happening realized. Kevin. Okay we do you do you play. He will play. You'll be back. We'll be back next year and he'll be back in all his glory and he is the most gifted score ever. You know it and I know it. That's the point of this and once again you have lost another one. Lebron loses to Jordan Lebron Loses Decay de so hollow the last time. I remember if my math if my history is correct on this was eighteen. Seventy five I think George Armstrong custer said I'll be back it went up there do a little bighorn. Then seen him. Since I I'll be by rumors he'd be back but that I may be getting confused. They don't know that was to determine terminate also said that but if I'm not mistaken it was something to that effect those skill you need to stop. Kevin rated great well the bribes as the go pro. Football Focus has dubbed the state's offense as perfectly inefficient with drew. Brees UNDER CENTER HAS AVERAGED. Depth of target has steadily declined. The last eight years while his passing grade has risen overall and over the past three years. Brees has the best passer rating of any quarterbacks just ahead of new division rival. Tom Brady and according to Fox. Grady is projected to have more passing yards then breeze in twenty twenty so shannon's you know. Forty is apparently the new thirty. So which forty plus quarterback do you expect to have a better season? You see how we changed his narrative now once upon a time. Tom Brady only cared about winning. Tom Brady only cared about winning. Because peyton manning were putting circles around him but Payton wasn't winning championship. Tom Winning Championship. And I heard every pundit across every platform all Tom Brady cares about is winning all his New England. Tommy painting pro four hundred yards. Tommy got to hold the trophy in order to make time. We look good not to because he can't be judged by championship. What about the numbers? That he put up he puts numbers. Drew brees Oh no I outtake. Deskilled bailiffs Oh. No Tom Brady is going to always be judged. Don't championships not GonNa let you change the scenery a Ping Ping? When no matter where he is. I don't know what he probably by the article somewhere. Wherever THEY'RE PROBST. Betas you put him in the Brooklyn Zoo you put them into San Diego's is still being back new. Tom Brady any. She'll should be judged by championship now. He might have better number Andrew read but you read go win the division in that all who is more who goes further. I got the New Orleans. Saints stopped trying to change the narrative. So Tom Brady overlooking the number that a three. Oh Put Dad. He win the championship. That's all I care about at the end of the day. That's all of Jordan. Tom Radio not how will he played? Not How many touchdowns V prove not? How many passing yards. Did he win? Soon put Bo taper. We're not changing the narrative now. Because Tom Brady on the new location. He's still Tom Brady as get better told me just the other day. He's still don't so go to do things and not concern themselves with stats and concern themselves with Lombardi's did you just compare Tom Brady to a penguin penguin. delays in blasphemy still. I'm saying hey no matter where he's located scale. I'm saying just because he might not be aware his home is you take him out of it and Natural Habitat. Put Him in the Brooklyn Zoo. Put Him in the Columbus Zoo or the San Diego Zoo is Philly Ping would take Tom Brady out of New England. He's still Tom Brady although that's no longer his natural habitat where he spent twenty years. He's going to Tampa. He shouldn't change. You shouldn't be based on not win. We ever concerned with stats. We have who's GonNa have better stats? Tom Brady Pat home. Tom Brady drew. Brees Prada. Tom Brady GOING TO TAMPA. Because now he doesn't have that luxury of having coach check in that system in place. We got the give something. You'll Tom Brady can hang head on yards. No I won't allow it to happen. Not On my watch so why not compared? Tom Brady to the king of the jungle to a lion. You can take the lion out of Africa. You can put him in. Foxborough you can put him in Tampa. You can put him on this line on the beach and he won't. He's still alive. Lie on the beach. He'll just go right out. He'll just trot right over to the stadium and devour more competition. So let me put this narrative right back on track in your wheelhouse Tom. Radio will have a better statistical season then drew brees and Tom. Brady's football team will win. The division over drew brees football team and will win the conference and get to the first ever home. Super Bowl played by Alan team. How's that for narrative? Do you like it? Can You digest that like? Can you handle it there? Does it make more sense to you. Okay others give up. No no I got to get this okay. We got five cases on the division. Now we got another five cases on winning the conference without ten total cases. You bear on Tom. Brady Okay I bet you on the conference I did bet you on the division but I also met you that Tampa's record Tampa's record will be better than New England's record and we got ten cases on that so we're ten thousand five on the division the we don't have any the conference because what are they probably the fourth-seeded the fourth best odds to win the conference. Somewhere in that ballpark. So I need Florida one odd. So if you WANNA bet learn cases on the conference then I win twenty cases if I when net right with that so no but you can give me the patriots down to bare bones. We got nothing in the cupboards. And you expected me to whip up. This seven started several course meal. Would I ain't got nothing in my covers. You give me the odds you started it. You are the one who suggested the bet in the first place because you were so sure way back before free agency even started that New England who is going to be better than Tampa right with his time with Tampa the first thing he said. I thought I thought that bill belichick would make a play for at least eighty Cam Newton. I know you're gonNA ride shot all the way with dead. I okay. Well that's on you. That's your fault. So we're gonNA talk about Cam. Newton and Bill Belichick a little later in the show but right now back to do breeze. These numbers were startling to me. Because it's clear to me that drew brees has declined more at age. Forty one then. Tom Brady has at almost age. Forty three because what was happening last year was he just has no mustard on the deep ball at all. He just can't throw the deep ball. Because in deep passing percentage last year drew brees ranked thirty fifth in air distance. He was twenty seven. How far he's throwing passes in air distance completion percentage? She was thirty. So it's just showing you know deep ball no deep ball no deep ball yet. He did wind up eighth in the League in yards passing per game which is pretty decent. How is that? He's all time dinking and dunking? Tom Brady still got a big arm. That will be showcased more with this offense and these weapons Bruce Arians. Obviously Mike Evans Chris. Godwin all the others in Tampa than it was in New England where he had the worst receiving core in football so to me I saw no diminishing of arm strength on. Brady's part last year in New England and I think you'll see none this year in Tampa but drew brees is just all time dinking and dunking and it still works pretty well until they ran into the Vikings in our home wildcard game home game in that superdome arguably the hardest place to to win at in pro football and drew brees was pretty lousy in that game he had a big laid interception. He lost a sack fumble. Hit qbr of only forty seven in that game through for only two hundred eight yards in that game and they finally lost a kirk cousins in the Vikings in overtime. Twenty six to twenty so. Are you sure that drew brees is? It's starting to hit the wall or has he already hit the wall. Sean Payton blurted out a month or so ago. It's drew's last season. I don't I think that was news to drew. But I think Sean Payton is ready to segue onto either tastes them hill or Jameis Winston. Whoever the next quarterback the saints will be skip. But when you look at give you talk about Tom Brady. Tom Brady hadn't been bombs away. Randy balls now. Who's more he the king? Go to screen swing pass to the back out of the backfield and the shell across option. Julia Element so. When was Tom Brady? Bonds Away? Like James James was in Tampa or Pat Mahomes than New England with the last time. We saw Tom. Brady light this guy. Going bald wait a second in in deep passing numbers several websites that they have different sort of analytics four different formulas but I saw one the other day that ranked him fourth last year in deep throws in complete percentage of completion of deep. They're also I think one but he tied for first in tight window. Deep throws up twenty plus yards last year. But he's twenty seven yards per attempt and twenty seven completion percentage computing here. You know the compute. I'm trying to let me get a calculator. That is what made it look twenty seven. Completion percentage twenty seven yard team. So what that means. So how you bombs away of how. You bought Why did he have an Tonio Brown last year? Well he did for you. You Have Josh Gordon. Willey did for about three minutes. The Julian Element last year so for heads the surgery on her shoulder at cracked ribs. He had a bum knee. Any led the League in passes. Oh my good skill. What Shea did you paint your house? Excuse with beautiful -til shade of excuse that you do for Tom. Brady and just pay the wall. Did you see that he played the wall? -Til Excu and then he got a nice new new new color operating room to hear a bomb shoulder. He had a bomb me. He didn't have bith. You never I mean our all. You'll never made his. Houston anybody like you make. Put a goal walkout. I go to make a huge this now. Your Guy. Bill Jackson our auto by the join head Phil Jackson for the better part of his career and magic have Pat Riley and some of the grave head coach back and Gregg Popovich. You don't make concessions like that. Lebron about what he did all you do is say he choke now? Tom Brady couldn't be Ryan Tannehill playoff. You make excuses. The Fat Matteo's drew brees has never been bombs away. This has always been drew. Brees now he would throw a deep when he had Ted ginn junior but tale was hurt for the better. Part of the season is unbelievable. Means get like a lot of people. How can someone that couple Mike Thomas? When they know he's not going to run anything over fifteen yards well. Payne has done a great job of Dad. Magus a putting reason situation and drew read as a had. The highest completion percentage in history. So it works for them just like Tom Brady. Swinging the ball to the back out of the Backfield and hitting Julian Edelman on shell across an option route. It worked for him before that it was west worker. Stop making excuses. You've got may have better numbers. I won't go further and drew brees. He will so just for the record just to put this in perspective. Once upon a time drew brees could really throw it long. You have to be able to throw it long to have the yardage total that he has. He's thrown for seventy seven thousand four hundred and sixteen yards. That's by far the most of any quarterback in NFL history. That's actually two thousand eight hundred forty five yards more than Tom Brady. Who is second on that list now? More down passes welby excuse. Drew brees leads leads. All time touchdown passes although he's only six ahead of the goat and I'm thinking the goal by just catch impasse. Drew brees to Gamba then. You didn't you guys got coming in two thousand. Ju- came in two thousand one. So you'll guy the older but that's skill you make. It seem. Well I'll go ahead go ahead. No as you laid only two hundred seventy five games to Tom's two hundred eighty five so I'm gonNA give you that. Drew brees has been shocking ordinary throwing deep balls but the put it in baseball terms taught a drew brees has never been Roger Clemens. He's always been Greg Maddux. You make it seem like he had a stroke home. Brett farve arm when he was in San Diego that was never his game so obviously he threw the ball deep. Well enough to accumulate. All those touchdown passes all those passing yards. So he wouldn't all swing passes the SHAKEDOWNS. Give Mike Sandra athletic ranked to each. Nfl Franchises most dominant single season. Team since nineteen seventy using a formula of winning percentage points per game among other factors nine hundred eighty. Five bears topped the list. Second was the eighty four niners followed by the ninety one redskins so Shannon. Do you agree that the eighty five bears of all time no. I don't skip it out. Talked to Dan Richard Dead. Who's a good friend of mine? We win the hall of fame together. He went to Tennessee state. Obviously I WOULD SAVANNAH STATE SKIP SO WE JOKE. Allot most heights team. In the history of the world. Say y'All y'all one-sided dominant you make. It seem like had like seventeen hall of famers when we decided football. They'll really only had one. That's Walter Defense was dominant book. Ramiz it and most of these teams a lot of these teams. I remember I remember the Washington team and I remember the eighty four nine hundred seventy five Stevens they attend hall of famers. We'll ever see that again. They outscore their opponents about fifteen points a game but defense average give it up. Eleven point six points a game and skip. That's unbelievable I. You're a you know what they used to. They used to beat a breaks off your cowboys and so you should give them even more credit than that because they kept the cowboys winning a couple of super bowl did this give. You don't like the steelers. Because they did a number on your cowboy for the longest time Kevin Man. Just imagine how many so both the cowboys would have won if there were no steelers. Del probably have another scale but going to lay. There was the state of EPA. Didn't get it skip. I got an issue. You know you boil this. You're born. You're the broncos nine eight hundred number that of or 'cause we could do it you know we can score point deep it puts you in a whole. I come get you. Yeah and my ravens. That's the I got a problem with this. This is the biggest problem. Okay fine you WanNa say the eighty five bears. I don't believe it. I like seventy five steelers. You WanNa go eighty nine the eighty three or Washington. Okay I get there but the ravens deep say weaker team. Even though I didn't play deepest that deep had four shutouts they had eight gains it which they allow seven points or less. They allow sixty yards a game. Russian which is the best since the merger they average temp given up ten point. Three points a game to put this in context. If you take the regular season sixteen gave and you take the playoff game. The which they played they didn't give up one hundred ninety points. They gave up one opposite touchdown in four playoff games so to put this in perspective in poor playoff game. They gave a twenty three points twenty three. So that's five point three points a game a four games in the playoffs. I don't know how you get better than that. Skip bad did not allow sixteen games. They didn't allow the team to gain a thousand rush yard. They didn't allow three thousand. Total pass yards four shutouts eight games seven points of fewer we got to. Bihar banks give deep it with metal in the statistically did you don't ask you allow pause yards yard the native either we ought to be hired in that recount we want to wreak out recount recount. I won't take it. This is a court if Donald Recount this thing. I'm going to Supreme Court like in two thousand. Okay let me go back to the start to the eighty five bears. I covered a lot of the eighty five bears games. I think I know them very well. I worked in Chicago so in in hindsight I really got to know them very well. I must admit I before I looked hard into this last night. I agree with your premise. That they were all defense. It was all time great because nobody ever seen anything like it. It was the equivalent. The wishbone offense in college football especially at Oklahoma were. Nobody had seen it and couldn't stop. It took four five years before people start to figure out how to Muir the wishbone and contain it in this case. It's that what's called the bear defense coach by the late. Great Buddy Ryan and nobody had ever seen quite like already six. Yeah how they attack to. They came from everywhere. They Mall quarterback and it was a sight to behold because it was off striking in use a fan and in the opposing quarterback is so I got that. And I'll get to your two thousand ravens defense in a moment. But as I looked harder at the bears offense I thought it was mediocre at best. It was a little better than mediocre. They did have four pro bowlers. That you're Jim McMahon. The quarterback made the pro bowl. And I'm not sure. How does he had fifteen touchdowns to eleven interceptions? Whatever he did make it. And I thought Walter was nearing the end of the line that year because in the playoffs Walter faded out and was kind of a non factor but during the year he had one thousand five hundred fifty one yards. That's that's cute. That's your rate. He had a Walter Payton regular season. So I'm I'm going to give you that. And they had two offensive Lineman Jimbo covert Healdsburg. Who made the pro bowl so they they could run the football like crazy so it wasn't just all defense but let me go first to your your point about the ravens just on test. I I don't know why I covered a bunch eerie. I covered the game at Tennessee that year. Two it was the most is physical football game. I've ever watched and I was right there. I was in the press box and to my eye test. Thanks to Ray Lewis. You didn't have had read yet. But itself as dominating as the bears but I do think the bears might have had a slightly better offense than you guys did. And that's no disrespect soon. But but to your quarterback Trent dilfer. It's Tony Banks. Whatever was going on it was back and forth and it ended up deal obviously to the super bread. But my still. I still think the bears offense with because Walter might have been slightly better than yours so now. I'm back to your premise. That you like seventy five steelers as your best team ever to me. This is picking nits. Here it's six one half dozen the other. All any of those steelers teams from seventy five. Seventy six seventy seven or seventy eight. I'll go seventy it's the same. It's six of one half dozen the other. But I've already told you that I covered the two super bowls. Both of them. I was there for Super Bowl. Ten Dallas Pittsburgh and then Super Bowl and that's seventy five or super bowl thirteen which was seventy eight steelers against my cowboys. Shannon the seventy eight steelers. They had ten pro bowlers and Tin Hall of famers. I told you the collection talent on the field that day at the Orange Bowl in Miami. I've never seen like it before. Since it's just hall of famers are everywhere in this steel. Paul famers were heavy on defense or heavy on offense. It was five hall of Famers in Five Hall of famers offense defense what impossible rate. That's that's firepower on both sides of the ball that you just you can't match up with it and by Dwight arriving with another pass rusher. He know you'll never see it. Dwight made to pro bowls and didn't make the pro bowl that year so that could have been an eleventh one. So I'm with you. I'll take the steelers dynastic team. Whichever one you want was the greatest team I ever saw with our man Terry Bradshaw at the helm because remember Terry Bradshaw was the MVP in nine. Nineteen seventy eight in the season so so he was having a great year and they were having a greater year because they dominated and then got to the Super Bowl and that brings me to my final point that cowboy team again the one that they ranked Mike. Sando chose thanks to his formula. Was the seventy seventeen. Crushed your Broncos and the Super Bowl. I actually preferred the next year's team. The seventy eight cowboys. Who Lost barely to the greatest team ever the steelers? It was thirty five to thirty one because my team had nine pro bowl players on it and my team had six hall of famers that should have been seven because Drew Prison Pearson is just it. It's just a sad joke that he never got law. He made most of the greatest catches in cowboy history were made by through Pearson. You want to talk about on a time clutch. So I'm going to give them seven all famers and that brings me to. They were ranked tenth on that list. And your team and ninety eight. Denver was ranked above them at nine. Not Better than then the seventy seven. Seventy eight cowboys. You were not better. You had only four hall of famers including yourself but that. Dallas team was more loaded than your Denver team. It just was. That team would have beaten the brakes off your Denver team even with John L. I had Rogers Book and you had. Tv Terrell Davis. I had Tony. Tony Dorsett was. Hey Tony Dorsett was better than Terrell Davis. Tony Dorsett was lightning. Who could also run tackles. Tony Dorsett was more of a home. Run hitter then. Terrell Davis ones. I'll take my team on offense and Doomsday Defense over your team. Thank you very much. Well a all I know is that we're ranked in the front so I'm sorry again me being in front of you know what you to tell you about this. Get the Bronco number. Nine baby know what we should have been hired. What I'm hearing your voice. They you know that's wrong. You know it's complete and you're accepting it just because my teams one notch below years but I think I'm hearing in your voice straight from your heart. You know that the seventy eight cowboys were better than the ninety eight broncos. Now we'll give for me. I pick the night seven Broncos a better because we have them who's also in the hall of fame playing left tackle where t-bone Tony Jones. That the right tackle so. I thought we were more dominant. Even though we had a number the eight I thought collection of talent. I thought we were better in ninety seven and I can see you know we we were. Just unstoppable we have bloody brister come in for John for like five games skipping. We averaged more points with Bobby. Did with John so I get it but it's hard because when you look at some of the people on this list you look at some of the teen you look at. Let's say the chiefs give not to get too far. They took the team that won the super bowl ever opposed then the team that Pat Mahoney was the MVP. And I'm like I don't know about that was I did it. They won the Super Bowl. But what Pat Mahal did his second year skill. That was phenomenal. But I agree with you. Any of the seventies Taylor's teams should can easily be number one any of them skill. Because they would like you said when you got a quarterback that's in the hall of fame to receive a running back and receiver and then the defense you got you got to linebackers Corner Adeel junk and you talk about some of the Pantheon grave. We're not just talking about just hall of Famer. We're talking about some of the best at the position. You can't beat that were. I'm sorry Shannon. To your point about the seventy five steelers again. I was at that Super Bowl also at the orange bowl and I remember it as the Golden Richards gain because Mel Blunt. The Great Mail Blunt as physical a corner as ever played Mel Blonde rolled the ribs of little Golden Richards. He broke his ribs in that game. You know mail mail grew up in lives. Lie of Georgia I grew up in Glenville. We're about thirty miles apart from each other. So I know a male will skip. He made them change the rules who he was the reason why they trained rule the weather by yard plus he was the first really big true corta skill males six four in the rights. Give you always the cowboy hat and boots. But he's still a very large man. Can you imagine and defensive player of the they will litter with the play of the year? They went like three or four years. We're Joe Greene. Wanted male Blah. What End Jack Lambert winning? That's what up against the Z. Training Story of the day sponsored by tough and ready lineup of all wheel drive. Suv's give it everything so fellow NBA superstar longtime friend of Lebron Carmelo. Anthony got to weigh in on the GOAT DEBATE TO MOST PEOPLE SURPRISE. Melo said that Jordan is the goat and followed it up by saying we all know that and we all agree to that he added that Lebron is still great and also should be appreciated so Shannon is mellow out of thousand saying Jordan as the goat over one of his closest friends. These two are really tight. What are you know they? They are very tight no. He's not out of bounds. He's entitled to opinion. I think that's the thing that you like about. France is that I won't friends. Tell me what I wanna hear not what I need to know. I mean when I need to know not what I WANNA hear. I think this is a situation. Skip look is hard and I commend medal for this is hard for you to look objectively. Because he just looked the. That's boy that's my friend. Scared for me when people were telling me man your brother just Jay right skip. I couldn't see that's my brother. He's just you just by tell you look at you like that. You my brother. Even though he's putting up numbered are better skip. I can't see that and I think sometimes you get so close to the situation. You can't look at the go. We came together we could. We Bake Asian families vacation together. So you don't feel wait. Lebron be mad now. If what my boys one of my good friends like may yet Tony Better. You better you up right so like I don't go to my house again. No kids but you know let memo has his opinion and so I don't have ask if I really don't. I don't have a problem with mellow feeling that Lebron that Jordan's to go he's entitled to his opinion. He's played the game and based on what he sees in. How Jordan played in playing against Lebron field. So I don't have a problem with it I disagree. Let me let me let me put. Let me get battle to record. 'cause I don't want you to say well look you dinner. Refute Mellow ideally disagree. I three newsly disagreed with mellow. Okay that's on the record okay. But didn't you start off your comments by saying you need your friends especially your best friend to tell you what you need to hear? Which is the Jordan was better? Jordan's the goat right. So you're telling me that Lebron needed to hear from Carmelo. Yeah Jordan's to go right. No I don't I don't want my friend just go alone just because I'm his boy just agree with everything. If that's the way you feel that's the way you feel scared but like I said is hard to do when you become close to once killed is hard to see them outside of that. Friendship is being like great. The goal the greatest of all time like man. My best friend is the greatest all time skip is hard to rationalize dead I. It's hard for me to put it in the words but like I said I just to me having a brother and people say may your brother is good if not better than Jay Rice. But I couldn't see that because I grew up with him I slip right to bear slip in the bed with a guy he needed to go. I have a brother. That's the goal Kanter as lot. That's what mellow was do. Dealer Shannon Sharpe. Lebron James is not going to love this. Think about this. Lebron's may be best friend in the whole world a guy who came in the NBA in the same draft as he. What I think it could be mellow. But who knows that's subjective. But he's one of his best friends he slat out declared. Michael Jordan is the goat and the way he said it left no doubt because he said you know Jay's the goat he's the greatest ever we all know that and we all agree to that. We do not agree. I'm like really really. Carmelo will thank you for saying that because you just close the door right in your best friend's face and I'm gonNA tell you. This is exactly the kind of betrayal that Michael Jordan himself would not abide. See Charles Barkley. Remember what Charles Dared to on. Tnt Criticize Michael's team building in Charlotte. That bridge got burned to the ground over. Shut out will not speak to. You will not take your calls anymore. That's Jordan Lebron not built like that so I don't think it's going to burn the bridge. I think it will hurt him more than it will offend him out. Lebron's too nice of a guy. He's more of a lover than a fighter. He's not going to shut off. Carmelo over this but I think he's going to be wounded over it because Carmella was so adamant about it like there's not even any gray area. It's this Din Carmelo. I don't give himself. He tried to give himself an escape hatch. He tried to backtrack it a little bit. Put An asterisk gone by saying you know we could say. Mj was very great. But why can't we say Lebron? Kobe is very great. We're not allowed to say those things day because it's always this or that and that's just our society you have to choose on well Kamilo. You just didn't choose you didn't start off saying MJ was great. Lebron's grade and Kobe's Great Union. Say That you just flat out boom laid it right on the table we all know and we all agree that. Jordan's the goat will will we do. I don't that's just really blatantly obvious to me. I've been trying to tell you that. For Four Years Correggio question so this why Michael Jordan. Mj tried to paint Scottie. Pippen another negative light. Because you remember Scotty said that Lebron was better than Mj. You remember that you. If that that why j tried to pay got in a negative light because the guy that played next to MJ for all. Here's one those titles saying Lebron. Will they better player? So that Michael Jordan did that clearly. Everybody is not yes. Oh so I like their old. GotTa go James. Yeah but that's out of jealousy and bitterness because he even in distant Robin and he knew here and all on twenty three and at over there in the shadows was pip. Let's be all the way one hundred. You don't think mellow might be a little jealous. Lebron with although the VP's would although. I all as with all those finals appearances. We don't even mentioned car middle. We don't we don't mission Carmelo in the same breath as Lebron. You take seven days before you even mentioned. Carmelo but you don't think no jealousy in that right you see how you it. S Get if anybody says and does not time out. Time out timeout. Out Time out. You know what that's a good point. You could be right about that. There may be some jealousy underlying this motivating. This is not if that's true. This bridge is on fire then between mellow and his best friend. Lebron James that there's going to be done to this relationship knows not. I'm just doing the problem that I have. Is there. Anybody that does not subscribe to the fact that Michael Jordan is the greatest is out of jealousy. Why can't I have an honest opinion? Why can't someone have an opinion that just their opinion and it'd be no bias involved? Carmelo fairly feel that Michael Jordan the best player. And there's no jealousy. I said that to just to throw that out there for you. I do not believe. Carmelo is jealous of Lebron are good friends and good prints. Three won't was best. Even if that's not your in your best interest so I believe Carmelo is the broad but you always talk about now be objective. He was just jealous. I know because I covered the theme. I was there he he drip jealousy and bitterness so soda to Horace Grant. We'll talk about all that later. We hope from the show maybe next week but but the point is that you're telling me it was up to a a best friend to tell. Lebron the truth and he told him the truth. Which is it's not even close. These quotes are. It's over like everybody knows everybody accepts that. Jordan's the goat and again it is true Shannon. We we've been through this six weeks on this show. The mountain of greats who've said George. The goat just just dwarfs your tiny little hill that you're on over here by yourself. You're the last man standing on this tiny little hill saying no no. It's Lebron. It's not Lebron. It's over and even his best friend said its way over. He didn't even he didn't even give you any wiggle room here. Everybody knows it's over over Lebron. So he told his best friend Ruth and he told you. The truth is like this if I grew up watching somebody I admire them. I had all their shoes. I come up with a guy and I've become friends with a guy that some consider. I consider to be the greatest scale. When you grew up admiring somebody you only gonNA see them in. That light is so that's not going to be taken away. No matter how close no matter how good a friend you are no matter how great someone our is the person that you our always going to be in that light to you. So that's all I'm saying Carmelo. I believe Carmelo believe that Michael to go. I don't have a problem with that. Sway me I mean committee. My light rails. I like Fried Chicken Myself. That'll mean his dishes better than mind. It just a matter of what you lighten but I got go drains. Well don't I like Fried Chicken either? So I'm out Jordan and I love what Carmelo I love. The way. He ended this. He said most people loved the last dance and there were people who hated it. Because a lot of times people hate the actual truth Shannon Sharpe hates the actual truth because it makes him look wrong about his man. Lebron James What Carmelo is saying about the actual troop were maybe Carmelo. If you had passed the ball more you have more championship. Maybe if someone drove you to always be in shape you'd have more temperature. If you want the truth skill out there. How do we know what's the truth? We know stuff got edited up that other people saying about Michael. You ought to be ashamed. You'll feel taking child go to Jeez Sharon he's GonNa have some words for you as well just ready for that. According to a report that Prescott on the cowboys lack of a term deal stems back to the beginning of last season after starting off with three straight wins to go along with nine touchdowns and only two interceptions. Dax camp reportedly asked for more money. According to the report the Jones family was quote not only upset at decks representation but they were a little upset with that. Prescott as well so skip. What does this tell you? Jenny tells me this validates. All of my worst fears about where this impasse has been and where it's headed. It's going nowhere slowly in. This was the flash point after three games. According to Charles Robinson the WHO and I concur. I co-signed on this because it now all makes even better since to me that Z. Came back from Kabul Jerry caved in overpaid him. The way he does every one of his superstars every one of his sons and at that point. I predicted right here on undisputed. They're going to sign. Dak and get this one done also just ahead of the start of the regular season. I was counting down the days toward that giants. Opener for the big bombshell to hit. Dak has been signed for the next five years. I thought it would be two ways to launch this team into a season in which I thought they could get to the super bowl but it did not happen. Dak had a huge game albeit against the giants on opening day at Gerry world and right after the game. Jerry said it's eminent that we are going to finish this deal with Dak Prescott Jerry. What does imminent name? He was asked days. He's talking about so in the next few days. I thought Oh we're going to have big news on undisputed we're going to have the signing of Dak Prescott. No didn't happen but they went to Washington. Another nice game big game now the. Qbr Of Ninety four scale zero two hundred and nothing happened. And then here came the lowly dolphins Jerry world. Now they're big game by Dak Prescott. Qbr Eighty not great but pretty good and nothing happened but it did happen behind the scenes according to Yahoo because now I get it. That's win the new agent for Dak Prescott told Jerry Jones Jerry. Guess what are asking. Price just went up. We warned you. Jerry Dak was betting on himself. We couldn't come to a deal now. The deal has changed and we're going to ask for X. Yahu reports that acts was a ridiculous demand on the part of Dacca's agent that really alienated Jerry Jones. Again Jerry can be a pushover. A softy a soft touch just buddy up to jerry put your arm around him and he'll overpay you but the one thing you cannot do to Gerald Wayne Jones Junior. I know this from all the hours I spent with him. Doing those three books on the cowboys. You cannot take him off. You can't jerk the rug out from under him negotiation at the last second. Say April foles. Now we want this and this is way out there. Ridiculous amount of money and Jerry fell burned. According to the report Jerry was upset with the age of and also a little upset with a quarterback. You do not make Jerry Mad. Because he's got a short fuse temper that when it blows it nuclear blows. That's why these two sides are still so dug in and so close so far apart Shannon Sharpe in the in. Dak Did bet on himself the first three games. But I'm going to remind you my hall of fame partner that you dismiss the first three games as garbage opponents. You laughed at the numbers. Dak Put up in the first three games because they meant nothing to you. Maybe Jerry was watching undisputed in thought. Gee maybe I should discount those first three games. Also from that point on Dak said I'll continue to bet on myself but as as he was on the waiter. The Bank. A funny thing happened that. Qbr That averaged ninety in the first three games averaged only sixty two in the last thirteen and over those last thirteen pro football focus greater DAX performance as only fifteen best in the national football league terrible. Qbr's against Green Bay and Buffalo Bockel buckle on Thanksgiving stage and then add Chicago and then add New England and then at Philly thirty eight qbr mistakes von Osten with the potential game tire. It wasn't pretty so. Dak BERAN HIMSELF AND QUOTE UNQUOTE ONE. And then he bet on himself and he lost Jerry. Jut Jerk the rug back out from under the new agent Todd France. No HE STAYED RIGHT THERE. Still a great deal on the table. Thirty five thirty six million hundred ten million guarantee very fair making the highest paid quarterback right here right now but there's bad blood there's bitterness there's so close so far distance between these two and I don't love it because I'm still not sure they're going to get a deal done before the fifteen I think is going to have to play out under the tag or maybe even hold out and try to pull a levy on on Jerry. I think it's bitterness times one hundred now between the two parties. Thanks to what happened after the first three garbage games. Henry understand this. You said dad had terrible in Green Bay had terrible career against. If I'm not mistaken I wrote this down New England but yet you gave him as and bs in those games what I did not I gave him sees for England and see at Philadelphia. We take we do. I don't know I know people that. Hold change of New England but the auto the people at home. No I say Green Bay do Orleans their seven games that you gave him pass and mart. When I did not now all of a sudden the game that I didn't give him pass it. Mark saying that you did you bring those up. If they didn't play where I WANNA know why you didn't say he didn't play well being as opposed to saying now never mind. I'll get back to that now. Who was rookie of the year is came in the same year? If you don't mind me asking who was rookie of the the Diana. Fail on offense that year. I said the reason why the cowboys are successful. Because Zeke you said no you created a quarterback is more important. The reason why they're winning these games the reason why they're going to win. The division is because the day. Now you saying other just trying to figure out what interesting skip you know this? How work I'll play well after more money just like if I don't play well you asked me for a pay cut or the cut me you see you say well if you buddy up the Jerry but when I said hold on you paid all these other guys that you use that was chickenfeed. This is a quarterback so it really wasn't made no difference there this here and that you don't they. Jared does not take. Stephen does not think that is worth the money that he's asking for basically what they're saying we've been dating for four years. We need a day one more year to make it five years to finally get married and hit what they're saying. Give you can dress up. All you want to. They keep leaking. This bake put this out there. They're trying to turn the public mainly cowboy fans to make dag seen greedy to make. That seem selfish because he's unwilling to accept what they're offering. What about negotiation is just not about what Jerry thinks? Fair is about negotiating. Jerry puts a price out there. Well you should be grateful. Skip saying take it that you are fourth-round about performed that fourth round pick and now are unwilling to give you a deal because you made me play this out. You made me get to the bottom of this deal with in Golf. Had extra. Here's live. I had no years live. So it's going to cost you more in order for me to do this deal if you want the deal done if not. I'm GonNa wait to the very last minute. I don't believe they're gonNA get a long term deal. I could be wrong. But I believe that's going to play this year on the franchise tag and he's not coming into sometime in July. Okay back to your analogy. You say Jerry still wants to just date Dak Prescott. No marriage timeout. Yes he he's strapped the tag on him and that means I still want a day. That's only thirty one point form. I shouldn't say only it's still a lot of money. Thirty one point four million just for next year yet still sitting on the table is the biggest wedding ring in pro football right now. Thirty six million. That's almost five million more than the tag is sitting there. Writedowns able and by the way by the way Charles Robinson reports on Yahoo that maybe Dak side right now is starting to push toward. Hey maybe we should take this. It's a pretty good deal on the table right now. We'll figure out in the end how to smooth out the difference between the years but the money on the table right now is very good money. You were the one who kept giving back apps you were the one who kept dismissing deck as no better than mediocre so you should be one right now who should say Jerry. Jones is out of his mind to be offering thirty six million a year for five years. Plus one hundred and ten guaranteed million for a quarterback. You don't like you haven't ever liked him so so that's a wedding ring. It sitting on the table right now. All Dag needs to say as I do. I do sign the dotted. He's got the he can put the ring on this deck got willing to do. He's they give me a kirk cousins deal. Kurt coast got three years. Fully guaranteed eighty four million dollars. Minnesota just gave him an additional two years. Guaranteed Sixty six. So that's five years for hundred fifty fully guarantee Dak Prescott the Jerry that on the table and you gotta deal a hundred and fifty. Paula guaranteed with two hundred million over six over seven years. And you gotTA deal how. `Bout will now you're talking about Patrick? Mahomes you saying DAX better than homes. No no I said. I said Earth cousins GAP MINNESOTA. Three year eighty four million fully guaranteed. They generally like digital that sixty six. Okay okay but but again. If that's what you're talking about right now would that that's the deal you just described is less than the deal. That's on the table right now. From Jerry Jones do the momentum saying skip skip skip. You said a hundred and ten guarantee out saying one hundred and fifty fully guaranteed that the same wait if one ten more than one fifty one kirk cousins. Go get what you mean more. Okay so mill. Thanks for five years. Guaranteed one fifty. So what's that thirty million years that what you're saying? Burma no guarantees skill. Stop Parthenon words. I said Willie Capital F. U. L. L. Y. fully guaranteed. Okay okay. But but you're saying the average annual be thirty million dollars. Yes Becker Bryan for public. Really say yes I say. Yes yes dud hallway. Thank you skill signed today. I'm trying to say I do. You still take about this Jerry. Jones doesn't want to go. Up On guaranteed money. Now you really to tell me he's GonNa fully guaranteed or two million dollars. Exactly my point break you second. Dak is asking for forty million a year and now you're saying he should take thirty million a year for five years. Skip Rice dipped missile. What I'm saying. Okay done stover's skill. Listen Do you know the contracts are not worth the paper? They're reading all you can say. Two hundred million. How much money is going to get regardless of the weather? All right okay. Thirty million a year guaranteed for five years done great deal no off Joe. You was gay people at home you see what's Bettas keep doing? He's dead guaranteed he has yet to say fully guaranteed which means a contract can be broken there the different skill minutes. Thank you sleep. He asked me. Kabc that's me on athletics list of best teams from each NFL franchise since One Thousand Nine Hundred Seventy Patrick. Mahomes on the super bowl championships came in all the way down at twenty fifth overall. This surprising to me Shannon. Are you surprised how low they are Kinda but not really skill as a mentor? Louisville the earliest I thought be eighteen with more dominant. Now if you look at the nineteenth scale Pat Mahomes two games. He missed all. But what about three quarters of one? Game against the broncos They were behind six games. And the article mentioned the reason why it hurts. Them with their dominance if they were behind and six games they ended up winning five of those games they lost the one started by more men. More butts kicked. If you go back to the eighteenth season they had the third highest score and I ever since the merger behind the old behind the thirteen Broncos we know what Peyton manning did over six points had five or cw touchdown manning broke the record fifty five touchdown over fifty four hundred yards and seven past. We know what they represent. Because if I'm not mistaken the article said the past that pants team was more the more dominant than all the other Super Super Bowl winning team so it didn't necessarily mean you had to win the Super Bowl to be dominant or to be on this list so I think the eighteen team definitely should be higher but the nineteenth. I can see skip because when you look at it. There were two thousand eight hundred twenty points of gaming offense nineteen defense which was plus nine but the mahomes even the eighteenth skill that five thousand fifty skip although again the second year doing that. That was that was all time all the time so for me. I guess when you look at it twenty five maybe right for the nineteen team. But I don't even think the nineteen team should have made it. I think the eighteen thirteen should be on this list over the nineteen. Wait the team. That lost the Tom Brady at home in the AFC championship. Game should have been on this list. The team they three straight third and ten conversions to Tom. Brady in overtime. That team should have been on the greatest measure question. How does how does the Patriots List? Oh seventeen that loss to nine and seventeen. That was a wildcard. How they make love the Eli. Manning was the homo. What other because because it's no formula and you know what the we don't have time to go through but it's a very complex formula point differential in the regular season point differential in the post. All those things go into the formula in the formula said that the twenty nineteen chiefs were a little better than the twenty eighteen cheese. But the formula also says that the nineteen sixty-nine chiefs or way better than the two thousand nineteen sheaves that was the teams that went on to win the Super Bowl over the vikings who were favored to win heavily favored to win that. Ruger ball in the chiefs. Twenty three to seven but the cutoff for this list was nineteen. Seventy merger going forward. Obviously that was gray F. L. Time Okay. So so again. The sixty nine chiefs were disqualified from being on a list that the formula said they might have been a top fifteen team on this list while twenty nine hundred chiefs are all the way down at twenty five and what perplexes me about any of this no matter whether the semantics are eighteen or nineteen. All I know is the hall of Famer keeps telling me. Mum Boy is it. We've never seen anything homeboy and ended thrower. The football. Who Ever came down the Pike. And I'm saying really will lash pro football focus ranked me fourteen out of sixteen. He ranked six in the League. Not Bad but not transcendent in that. She's defense last year was ranked by pro football focus. Twenty fifth best in the League. Not Not really very good and then I love this line. From the capsule about the twenty nine thousand nine chiefs ranking twenty fifth. It said the two thousand nine hundred chiefs were an impressive five and one in Games. They trail by at least ten points. Of course the most dominant teams generally shouldn't be trailing by double digits in roughly one third of the Games on their schedule true. They shouldn't be but they were in the playoffs. They fell behind the visiting Houston. Texans twenty four to nothing. That should have been twenty eight to nothing if bill. O'brien hadn't taken the little chip shot field goal on fourth and one at the thirteen. When he had the chiefs on the ropes. They roared back. They won that game because they were clearly a better team than the Houston. Texans but then the Tennessee. Titans go right in there to arrowhead and they jump up seventeen to seven. And you're thinking God that the chiefs don't really look that good well. They're not and they were very lucky to win the Super Bowl because let me finish because in the super bowl they trailed by ten going into the fourth quarter in part because mahomes had just don't a big pick late in the third quarter and he he starts off the fourth quarter with another third down interception and then on third and fifteen from his thirty five was seven thirteen to go. He looks into throwing a punch for forty four yards with a rusher in his face. He just sort of know look flings it off to the left flat he gets hit as he throws and it's a punt and tyreek cast comeback running full speed the wrong way waving for a fair catch forty four yards for the community of the game and then it told. Jimmy g going three for eleven in the fourth quarter for a grand total of thirty six yards plus a big interception by Jimmy G. and it took Jimmy G. Missing Emmanuel Sanders on a deep throat with the minute forty left wide open at the goal line for us to even be talking about the twenty nineteen Kansas City chiefs as champions. They're glass half empty. Not half full and you're right. They weren't even good enough to be twenty fifth on this list. You make my point. That's why I'm saying the eighteen should have been hired. Should be should have been the teams because they didn't Paul behind by double digits in fixing those Ball Games? They were more dominant. The plus the plus minus was the plus with exactly the same. They scored thirty five points a game in eighteen. The Defense Gabe point gave up twenty six so in business is basically the same in eighteen and nineteen but they called the had and I thought they were more dominant in eighteen. The new were nineteen twenty eighteen patriots. Were even better than the two thousand eighteen chiefs because they beat them twice so they should have been way up on this list right. Oh my goodness stop this. We'll look I put this holiday scored thirteen points thirteen points in Super Bowl party. Ain't nobody being on the list which scoring thirteen. Ain't nobody getting getting other gaming by Tom. Thank you for bringing in now so now so now. It's about winning. I would you have that enthusiasm. Come COME SEPTEMBER. I would hit by those stats. I want you to have the same. What you've got right now. Eight minutes US think again Sunday on F s one Nascar Cup series racing is live from the legendary Bristol Motor speedway catch all the action from the biggest stars in racing beginning at three thirty eastern on F s one and the Fox sports at the big guys Cam. Newton remains a free agent and former patriots. All Pro Safety Rodney Harrison said. He's disappointed. New England didn't try harder and recruiting camp. There's an believe it would've been a good fit and beneficial to both camps and the Patriots so Shannon. Are You surprised? Bill Ballot. Check IT DID. Pursue Cam Newton. I am somewhat and people you know the thing that the problem that I have is that people always make excuse me by Behavioral Cams attitude and but coach Belichick in the pages of always done a great job of guys that might have had issues other places have come to New England and BIN LADEN CITIZENS. We remember core. Dylan's skip he was labeled a malcontent ready malls. The raiders said. He quit on them. Chad Ocho Cinco. What a host of guys have gone to New England after having issues other places and been a model citizen now I believe Cam has shown some immaturity in the past but I believe he's grown. Yes he's made some mistakes. Yes there are some things I know that he wished he could have done differently or said differently but to judge man in year. What does your team and hold onto? The same standards wasn't year five. I think he's grown. I think that's wrong for you to do that. Let him go simply they've will. The Corona virus killed the peak of the coronal buyers. Three eggs happen. What nobody going. Anywhere guys steal side when teams won't you they find a way to get you. They say well. This might hurt tour because of a Miami. We'll get an opportunity. Get a second look at it yet. It looked at him at the combine scale. When they want you they find a way to get you so. I am a little surprised that I know Rodney Bay. Well running worked out when he was when we were both in the League together. A Rodney will speak true. He's very objective guy and he knows what it's like to be in orgnization skipping. He knows the impact coach. Bela check and those and that organization have on players. That's been looked at in a different light of the places but for whatever reason I don't know if it's the water I don't know if the surrounding maybe Massachusetts skip but guys seemed to get on the same page as everybody else in that locker room win there in that locker room. I thought it would have been a great bit. I thought Cam could have learned a lot but for whatever reason it did not happen so yes. I am a little surprised because I still believe. Cam can play at a very high level. I hear what you just said and I agree and I definitely hear what Rodney just said. And I'm with him also but here's the problem. Cam is too good for Bill Belichick right now. Cam Newton was the in the this league not that long ago in Twenty fifteen cam. Newton obviously can still play at a fairly to very high level if he's healthy very high. That's the last guy that bill belichick wants to replace Tom Brady. With because then it's going to disqualify bill belichick from being the genius. He wants to prove he can be if he replaces Tom with CAM will. Then people say well yeah camps great camps a floor in the me cam had moments last year or two years ago for sure when he was really good way to go bill. You got a great one there. You got a pedigree quarterback in this league. You got a guy who won a national championship at Auburn and Blinn Junior College. You got a winner. Bill Way to go. Well that's that's too easy for bill. Check right now. He he wants to show you that he's going to be coach of the year. He wants to reprove his genius to everybody by doing it with next to nobody he wants to show you. He can replace Tom. Brady six round pick number one ninety nine with authority around homegrown quarterback Jarret Stidham a guy who struggled at Auburn in his second year before he was drafted in the fourth round by Bella check and he wants to say watch this. Nfl World. Watch what I can do with. Jared Still Watch me. Let a mass exodus of players. Leave my defense one after another. Kyle van Jamie Collins. Danny Shelton Doron Armani Landon Roberts just gone gone gone gone gone and his draft was given a C. Plus why Mel Kiper? Because I I don't know it. None of it impressed me and in free agency. Bill did next to nothing so Shannon in the end. It's one or two things operating here. It's either supremely arrogant confidence on. Bell checks part genius at work or it's supremely delusional confidence disaster waiting to happen. I think it's the latter. I think he's going to get exposed. I think it's going to be hoodies folly here this year where suddenly everybody wakes up and says wait a second. This is a terrible team. Instead is not not remotely good enough to step into those winged cleats left up thereby. Tom Brady so to me he he didn't want Cam because km would qualify his genius. Cam is too great with to greater track record so that Rodney that Shannon is why bell check did not want Cam. Newton will give. You could be right because I believe he gets more credit. Because I don't believe coach Belichick would have been bothered in the same light. Had He won the Super Bowl with drew bledsoe. Drew Bledsoe was the number one overall pick. What should number one overall picks win super bowls give ca plus we are so Terry Bradshaw we have thought number one overall pick and troy? Aikman GET TO WIN Super Bowl. So there's there's so what's the big deal about that but I take a fifth round draft. Pick a win super bowl okay. Now we're onto something but for me. I just believe coach Belichick. If he takes a thinking get to and win a super bowl with someone other than Tom Brady anybody. They can be Joe Suitcase if long as his last name is brady or his first name. Is Tom Edward? Patrick gravy skipped. He's five and that's what he wants to do. Now you could be right coach military. Give something in his air. This is where I'm GonNa do a moving poor with Ted. This is what I'm GONNA do. And he's not he. Maybe he needs to take off the blinders but I believe if your brain came in and said Okay. Campus not promising you anything. The job is available. The best man win if then beat instead beefy. But it can't be him okay but I think with the win win for both for both situation skill. Okay I hear you but it would be one thing to go get Andy Dalton Away Jerry. Jones did and pay Andy Dalton with three million base for this year. Andy Dalton reputation had taken such a hit over the last five years in Cincinnati. That people would just kind of shrug and say well if bill can win a super bowl with Andy Dalton that would be great but Cam Newton. He's you know he's still a superstar. He's still has huge persona huge personality. Huge charisma he can light up a room. He could take over the team. That's the last guy. Bill check wants to replace Tom Brady with he's too good. He's too big. He's still you would take over the franchise that bill wants to take over now. Well work but Harry. The bank beheaded the camp was guarded. You Know Coach. Belichick light to take this guarded players and says okay. You didn't know what the Hell you doing. What what I do with J. mccollum? It's Cleveland. You had you didn't know what to do with it. Watch what I do Buffalo. Y'All hey y'all I`Ma Tournament a defensive player of the year look what do cow ban or rate of. Man. Y'All hey random off the yellow buoy job. I take a cord dillard. That's what he likes to do is get. He likes to take players that other teams. I got playing more that guy. He's a malcontent coach. Belichick takes great light and taking what the people would consider trash and turning it into a treasure and I believe this was a great opportunity for him to do that would cam. Newton Cam is eager to prove that he can still play at an elite level and all those injuries are thing of the past to bill. Belichick is say. Good Luck Lakers head coach. Frank Bogo was once a college assistant for Rick. Pitino and in a recent interview. Chino said Bogle is a perfect coach for Lebron and Lebron would trust Vogel's ability to teach an understand the game Shannon. Do you agree Jimmy. Because of Rick Pitino coach Pitino Day give frame what with his first job he was video. Coordinated University of Kentucky. And when he got his job he brought it with him. I'm not mistaken the Boston. And so he's been around him. He washed mature and he watched him grow up. And Frank Vogel is known as the baby hard worker as his Lebron James but the thing is when you coaching great players. When they ask you a question you need to tail. You're talking about And Bring Vogel seems to know what the hell he's talking about. He's earned Lebron James. Trust but the biggest thing that he's done for the Lakers Lebron James is that he's shifted their mindset so much from offense and made them have a defensive mindset and that's where they are right now they're very good defensive team and I think that's eight of their offense so I do believe this is a great bit cody Riley and Phil Jackson wearing available. Par Says Nah. I'm not interested so I give the best we could do. It is the best you can do. And it's not good enough Shannon. They haven't even played a playoff game together yet. I don't think Lebron has bought into Frank Vogel I think it could get dicey especially short and playoff situation. I don't think Lebron will ever respect a man who didn't really play basketball. He Played D. Three College at Junior College in Huntingdon Pennsylvania for a brief stint then he goes to Kentucky under Patino and became student manager for a couple of years then the only way he got in the NBA Vogel was Patino. Took him to Boston. Is the video coordinator for five years before he made it an assistant? I'm sorry it's not good enough. I think Jason Kidd was on that bench because Lebron needs of a made man real head coach. Lionel Hollins was a head coach to me. Bogle is more of a Jason Garrett kind of a figure where he's good with genie and good with Pelinka coach clap but but he's not great with Lebron whether the whether Popley what division did partly depopulated the NBA. Job Back. How do they do but that was different? Because Tim Duncan bought into pop from day. One how do you know? `Bout his guilt. Why you gotta be soon as demand that we winning. You won't happen here. We we're winning the title for everyone. That is it for to work out of time. We'll be back Monday. Same time nine thirty. Am I hope you all have a fun safe weekend undisputed?

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Zion Williamson, Tom Brady, Lakers-Clippers, & Kevin Durant

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Zion Williamson, Tom Brady, Lakers-Clippers, & Kevin Durant

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Valentine's Day everyone. Oh you wore. I wore There's a little pink in here. Yeah there's something in there and you are looking lovely today. How you're somebody's Valentine's I hope the city of Chicago's Valentine's Chicago's Valentine. Yeah all right so it's Friday. It's fun so I don't know if you saw it last night. Zion was amazing. Nineteen years old thirty two points. He now most points per minute as a rookie wilt ends I on one and two. By the way Michael Jordan six Kareem Tenth Oscar Robertson Seventh. Now all of you most of You nitpicked Zion. I did not. I said he's going to be a star very quickly in the NBA. I thought it would take the end of his first year. I said give him to the All star break after the. All STAR BREAK GETS IN SHAPE. Gets the body right. He's going to be an all-star top thirty player in the League. A lot of critics doubters. It reminds me of one. I saw Russell Wilson for the first three years everybody said it's Pete Carroll it's Marshawn Lynch. It's the defense I said. No no no no no Russell Bill. Russell Wilson has an other worldly talent Russell. Wilson along with Steve. Young had the greatest escape ability I'd ever seen in my life. Steve Young Russell Wilson weren't perfect. Zion's not perfect but when I look at a young person and I see a other worldly ability see this with to is accuracy. I see it with Russell. Wilson's this capability and I see it was Zion's body type and explosion. Then there's only one other thing I look for self-awareness mellows never had it. Westbrook's never had it. John Walls never had it. They have other worldly talent. John Walls the fastest player since Iverson mellows the best nineteen year old wing score. Since I don't know who WESTBROOK's most explosive dynamic guard I've seen FRA but I didn't like them because I didn't see the self awareness so I knew I said he's going to be twenty two twenty four and night into this league because his body it's Cardio League a lot of the centers European. It's get up and down the floor. No hand-checking no form in the back. Nobody's GonNa want a piece of that body. Nobody's GonNa want to take the charge. Nobody's GonNa want about piece of the body he's going to roll into arenas at nineteen twenty years old and give you twenty four night just on effort. Explosion Body type size girth. Nobody wants it but then I look for self awareness. Russell Wilson had it. I said Okay. All you doubters. I'm seeing this other worldly escape ability. But if you talk to Russell Wilson. I talked to him at twenty. Three years old shook his hand. I was in New Orleans at a super bowl. He was aghast that I turned about producer and said that's a superstar. That's how they talk. That's how they act how they look. That's our self awareness. He's GonNa run this league. I've told this story before. Zaylon Duke showed me these incredible leadership qualities the Internet. You have to quit. Duke. This outrageous. He did not listen. He did not follow he said. Of course I'M GONNA play basketball player. I love basketball. He didn't follow twitter and social media. He was a leader not follower. I want to play basketball. I gotta be honest. I WANNA come back and plan another year of college basketball. I love it but I probably have to go pro so I saw immediately. Self-awareness intelligence is not a follower. He's a leader. He's also never taken twenty shots night. He plays within himself. He knows very much what he has and what he isn't after having a very good opening game ray shot threes. You know what he's not doing since shooting threes he knows that was an outlier. He knows that's a one off. He's not a three point shooter. He's not taking him. The PELICANS plus seventy four when he's on the court he makes the team better. He plays with himself. He's smart. He has self awareness he gets it. This is why I like to. This is why I like Russell Wilson. This is why like Zion. I'm looking to spot a other worldly talent in a lot not a lot but but you see about two three players in. Nfl draft one or two players an NBA draft. You're like okay. They don't all become legends. Some are iconic Westbrook but not really winning players but the self awareness with Russell Wilson. This self-awareness Zion to me. This is a star. This is a guy that I can put in front of the cameras for twenty years. He's not going to get in trouble off the court unless he gets hurt. He's not going to get in trouble on the court. People are GonNa WanNa play with him and again. We nitpick everybody. We're like Steph Curry. He's an other worldly. Shooter stopped nitpicking. The that will overcome the rest of his flaws. Zion is so uniquely explosive with a nice touch. It's going to overcome the other stuff. Everybody's looking for the perfect player. They don't exist. Michael Jordan was a ball hog to the very end. He couldn't pass well to the very end. He didn't have a ton of shooting range. He was a mid range guy. The Best Basketball Player of all time really wasn't a great long range shooter. Michael Jordan wasn't a great teammate. He's the most relentless player I've ever seen. He's the greatest offensive player I've ever seen. Probably the greatest player I've ever seen but Michael had flaws. Brady's not Athletic Russell Wilson too little short picking these guys spot the other World League talent and then if they have self-awareness which makes them more coach adaptable amenable. They'll spot their weaknesses. They'll know their straits. They'll get the right friends. They'll stand at trouble the listen more than they talk. Then you've got an icon. I saw it with Russell. I see it with her and got it was I on and I couldn't be happier. Looks like a great kid so this morning. I'm driving in to work while I was driving a Mercedes of course. Because you know the advertiser of the show so I'm driving into work like joy does in the morning and Goulet to we all drive to work and bounce around the radio dial. I don't care what people are saying their opinions. I kind of like to hear the topics I go show to show to show to show to show. What are the lead topics today? But I was listening as I was bouncing around the radio. Dial on Xm serious to channel eighty three. Xm serious at our channel. Heard Nick Right Eric. Mangini had a great moment on the show. It was really special. I was going to text him. But you can't text and drive my kids. Tell me that all the time so they were talking about. Nick started talking about Tom Brady and said he sacrificed a lot. He thinks the reason brady is is thinking of leaving is because his feelings are hurt. Somebody's of mine on the radio in Kansas City. Talking about them between a friend and an on the way front and on the way is you call him in the middle of the night and say I need you and before they you ask any questions. Say I'm on my way and the reason I bring that up is? I wonder if Brady's always thought in his head okay. Bella check runs things one way and we have the way we do things here but if I ever were to tell him I need something even though I've never done it I know in my heart or he'd be there for me and Tom. Finally for the first time ever made that phone call bill. I need you responsible as sorry. Tommy. I'm busy that would hurt and that would make you reevaluate the relationship. If I've sat there over the last eighteen nineteen years and seeing a bunch of people. Pick up the phone. Say Hey bill I need you. And they'll say hey you know I'm busy and then suddenly I think well I'm going to pick up the phone and I'm going to get a different answer. Isn't that my fault wide? We expect the organization and the person we're on the runs the organization to suddenly get nostalgic about me. I side with men genie here. Although I thought Knicks points were excellent. Tom has been the spokesperson for the system. This system does not have a soft landing. There's no Disneyland. At the end it's a tunnel of harsh. It's got its own slogan the Patriot Way Brady laughed at the Super Bowl parade. Were bill chanted no days off. It's not that he's been just a member. Tom's been the spokesman. Tom has been the guy that takes the pay cut. Tom Has lived in that tunnel of harsh the Patriot way punitive intense unforgiving laser focused and he has benefited greatly but when Bella check took over the franchise. Do you remember the two players they had? They had a guy named Ben Coates. Tom curren wrote about that in Boston. This Week Ben Coates was a pro bowl tight end aging but great and then they had drew bledsoe and Bledsoe had left tackle name Bruce Armstrong also a pro bowler. They were pro bowlers. They were the glue of the franchise less than two weeks. After Bill Belichick was hired. He let them both go as Tom. Kern writes the reasons were simple. Both were in decline. Tom Knew the Game Day. One Tom Brady is looking for Disneyland. This is Disneyland that that could be the chargers. That could be indy. That could be Tennessee but Tom has been the spokesperson for the most punitive the harshest the most bottom line the Patriot way. No days off. Tennessee is going to be more fun. Indianapolis we'll have a better offense of line. The chargers will have more weapons. But this is the most frugal bottom line harshest intense laser focus franchise in the National Football League. And it's probably not the most human way the most sensitive way but it's benefited. Tom Greatly I think one of the most frustrating things in any relationship. You hear men complain about it. You Hear Women Complain. About trying to change. People really are. Don't get married and try to change. People don't go work for a company and try to change the company. Bill is what he is. He is never given you false. Hope that gives you a big balloon payment on the way out got his feelings hurt. 'cause Tom Trying to change what Belichick is. That is an exhausting relationship to be in. If I'm Brady I retire or go have fun in Tennessee. Indianapolis the chargers but you cannot expect a soft landing at the end of the NFL's harshest tunnel all right coming up next. We talked about it this week with Andrew Wiggins environments matter we saw it again last night in the NBA give a kid a better environment and watch him flourish. That is coming up. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard. Weekdays at noon eastern nine. 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The Celtics at home beat the clippers and overtime. We'll get into the game later. But he had a great rookie year. We all kind of fell in love with him and then I started hearing stuff in the last year and a half he's regressing ceiling. Hit a ceiling you know. He's not not nearly as good. I see a lot of flaws in game and then this year again. He's incredible seven points more per game. His three percentage is up. His rebounds are up his assessor up. Oh my Lord. He's just back to being terrific. What's the common thread? No kyrie Irving Kyrie irvings a unique talent but he was a great rookie without Kyri and now he's great without Kyrie and he was really good in that one playoff series playoff run a years ago when Kyrie was hurt he didn't work with Kyrie. Kyrie didn't like Brad Stevens. Have you noticed? Jaylen Brown as popped as well this year twenty points. A game environment matters all the time I talk about in the show life and environment you do realize NBA players are just like us but taller. Nfl players are just like us. They're humans except bigger and stronger and baseball players are just like us to accept. They throw ninety seven mile. An Hour. Splitters the reality is athletes are just like us and suffer the same vagaries and maladies and issues that we all do so. Ask yourself for Jason. Tatum does environment matter. Of course it does. A child growing up in a more chaotic homes. Statistically has a much greater chance at problems. Don't less chaotic home. I've been a broadcaster for twenty five years. I've always been a better broadcaster when I have better bosses and better teammates. When I have bad ownership and bad management there was a place I had that for a couple of years I stunk. I was no fun to work with Jason Tatum. Without Kyrie Irving is allowed to flourish. This is why like Andrew Wiggins and Golden State from losing culture to a winning culture to a better head coach. Steve Kerr to better teammates to a better system to a better support of smarter ecosystem. And what is wiggins done. I know it's just three games. But he's averaging he's taking six fewer shots a game and golden state and yet averaging more points of course environment matters do you believe that Carson Palmer gets drafted by the Patriots. Tom Brady gets drafted by the bengals and Tom has all those trophies. In Carson has none of course coaching matters and cultures matter. That's why when you get a when you come in Mel Tucker just left Colorado. He's going to Michigan State as a football coach. The first thing he's going to do is create the Mel Tucker Culture. What matters you put message boards up. You got posters up what matters inspiration let center the program what will be vital and crucial for our growth as a program. This is what you do build the ecosystem. You build the CO culture at Google at Microsoft at Amazon at Fox sports you build it you build at Disney. You build a culture. And then you find people who are talented often from their undervalued because they've been at lousy cultures you get bring them into your culture and they flourish Steph. Curry wouldn't be Steph curry with Charlotte. Klay Thompson wouldn't be as great. He'd be a very good player. He wouldn't be as great with the PELICANS years ago. This is why wiggins is GONNA kick. But he's a kid he's twenty four he's going to grow. And this is why Jason Tatum. Without Kyrie Irving now has supportive. Teammates doesn't have a super alpha. Point Guard has a Kemba Walker. Who can score but as much better share and distributor of the basketball though he likes to score environment matters the Jason Tatum. Because environment matters to you and me and everybody you know basketball players are us just taller. Here's joy with the news. This is the headline news. Greg Olsen has completed his free agent visits and has reportedly narrowed it down to three T. K. Let's go teams. According to Adam. Schefter he is currently in contract talks with the bills. The redskins and the seahawks have no bias here but I think Seattle is a perfect. Nobody's whatsoever I actually I like it with the bills as well I don't I mean obviously the redskins you have Ron Rivera there. So there's an obvious obvious tie as far as that goes a good sign that Ron Rivera showing you what he thinks of Greg Olsen right like what he does to a locker room in the culture and it would be good for Dwayne hoskins to have a veteran like that on on the offensive side. But I think the bills in the SEAHAWKS are obviously. I mean there you go. You're a tight end. Where would you go? Wouldn't you go to the best quarterback I look? I mean your take. Take me out of it because I'd rather I'd rather play in Seattle for for multiple reasons than buffalo the November Buffalo. But I mean I think that the bills or the seahawks are the best places for him. As far as quarterback talent goes obviously Russell Wilson being at the top end of that. But you know the bills are content to be contenders next year and the seahawks are as well so it just is a matter of really fit. Okay you know how I got Greg. Olson's number Super Bowl and I've never texted him a anthrax. I don't get a text in here in five minutes after Gottlieb I'm GonNa Texture and I'm not gonna I'm GONNA be settled. Don't I'm just I'm a little subtle? I'm going to say if you don't go to the out of your Gourd Yeah I mean I honestly any of these all these make sense obviously Armavir with the redskins. He's not going to be going to a contender but going to be a situation that I'm sure you'll feel comfortable kid. I I would go to the seahawks. Obviously being my. I know I'm a journalist. I can still root for my friends to go to the right places. Well the seahawks in the Redskins have tight ends coming off of injuries and their questionable for the start of twenty twenty so seems like a lot of production if you go there bill started. Rookie Dawson knocks for most of last season. So He'd be a bit of a mentor Sean McDermott. The coach of Buffalo wasn't Carolina. So he knows it. Okay so that helps so Jameis. Winston is scheduled to be a free agent after five seasons as the Bucks Starter and Bruce. Arians admitted the team is still looking at all the options at the quarterback position. He said really nothing has changed. What store number two can we make the one? We have better all of those things you go through right now. You're just sitting there waiting to see is there's someone available is he better option. And then that's the problem. You get about three days to decide. The legal tampering period. It's really monotonous right now. Because you don't have any answers. So that's not really a vote of confidence in Bruce Arians and Jameis Winston Direction. But I don't think it's unfair point for him to feel that way. What's the cap I mean I I look at where they draft? And it's like I I mean I I've seen enough james but I get why they'd stay another year with him. I totally no I. I wouldn't blame them if they say another year with productive but he is productive he's also productive for the other teams. We know but he did have. Surgery has said that that was a problem for him like he couldn't see the scoreboard if he's having vision issues of that level then. I'm sure that plays some role at least in his high interception rate. So we'll see if that changes next year. But there are also so many veteran quarterbacks that are going to be moving around this free agency period. That it's I mean I get. I would say this with Cam. Get moving off him with James. I get keeping him like I've seen enough of both like I've seen enough of Matt Stafford but there is something about Janus delay thick Bruce Arians Bruce Bay have one more year to coach. You may want to give bruce him one more year and then I'm not sure if Bruce is going to be here seven years he came out of retirement. Can you go out together? Can Bruce James Give it one more year in that I mean by the way he's very productive? I mean at this offense is not I mean. He's productive but he's also we make mistakes but he's not he's not old you remember. You can't be old athletic and mistakes. He's young athletic and makes mistakes the most amount of pick sixes ever in the history of the world. Yeah that's great i. that is a I mean. I'm with you I would. I could see him being there another year. 'cause like resilience at what's option number. That's right so if you don't have option number two that's better than option number one you might as well try and improve on what you have. So they can franchise tag him. I'm told in my ear for twenty seven million. I can live with that. He's going to give me thirty. Touchdown passes twenty seven million and hopefully less elastic knocks him down to twenty two interceptor improvement. Finally the xfl continues tomorrow with. Tampa Bay vipers young on the Seattle dragons at five PM Eastern on Fox. It will be Seattle's home opener and fans are very excited about the new league in Seattle. The team opened additional seating sections at centurylink field for tomorrow's game because the ticket demand was so high data leads the xfl in season ticket sale. They do and they had about a thousand seats for twenty four dollars. Each were that were added on Monday. The team president said they were sold out in twenty minutes. That's great I love this. Love this so do I you know. Last night I went to my Buji Club. And a guy came up to me and And he said you know I watched that. Xfl Egos was kind of fun. I really haven't talked to anybody who did like it. It's not the NFL. People in Canada loved the CFL. This feels very CFL to me. It does it's well-produced. Obviously on our network. They do an amazing job. The camera views coverage the silent reporting all excellence. The the level of play is com- completely entertaining. We're going to find out as I said last week who the stars are who were supposed to follow. And this isn't surprising coming from Seattle because as you know. Seattle is a major sports town it. Dan's in Seattle are die hard. That's why there should be an MBA. There they support their team. Listen they got a university of Washington Cells Football Games. You can't get to see how ticket the soccer franchise. They're the number one North American soccer city and now the xfl and by the way they didn't lose the sonics because they didn't spell out the arena. They left it because their owner Howard Schultz sold it to a guy. They always Seattle the sonics attendance. They have the worst arena in the Leia. I'm from Seattle. There was nowhere to park. You couldn't get their Seattle. Downtown is flat at night. They didn't leave because nobody wants. The Sonics the sonics were popular even when they were lean. Yeah so it doesn't surprise me that the XFL team there is doing well and will continue to grow but excited for that. Good stuff joy with the news. Well that's the news. And thanks for stopping. Heard lie joining us out. Doug leave sponsored by Mercedes Benz the best or nothing. Yes mercedes-benz Doug Gottlieb show after ours Fox sports radio so Yeah I like the xfl. We talked about that last week. All right so let's go back Zay on So far restrictions on minutes shooting about seventeen minute. Seventeen shots tonight sixteen shots. He's been very golf about putting it in the Cup basketball's about putting it in the cylinder. He's been pretty productive. He's been amazing. He's been everything he was built to be your you you like. I'm some kind of Zion. Hater we very critical. I just said he'd looked like he wasn't in great shape and I'm concerned about his ability to stay healthy by the way joy. Did you notice Doug has it to what the little throat thing so you feel great but you can't understate join I for amazing Tacoma's on Koa Zahn man. Do I feel good boots Feel because a lot of people get a lot of people were saying this morning. You gotta give it to Gottlieb. You gotTa give it to him coward. Because he doesn't Like Zion. No He's great like listen if we're judging him against Job Mirant. John Rance teams in. The playoffs has been great. Yes so as I am and they've been as good as advertised. Look I just want make sure people understand what you're seeing this is. This is a little different. He's a six five and a half center yeah. We talked earlier this week about Houston what they're doing with small ball and trying to kind of change it but pj Tucker is shooting threes. That's how they open up the floor right. Let's not GonNa take that first game where he made four threes and scored sentenced to he. Does he has made a three cent right. He is just too explosive for any of these big guys Stephen Adams to to contain him and he's too strong for anybody his size to garden right. So it's he's a freak of nature but I'm still concerned I had an. Nfl Guy Texted me. He went to Zion's game and he said like I just he he doesn't. He looks really thick. I was like that's what he looks. He looks like a football player playing basketball. He doesn't even look like the other players. Look I'm I'm my still concerned about his weight and wear and tear in his body. Absolutely but I told you that this is what he was going to be. A small ball center a powerful but he is very productive. I mean I've certainly productive. Why wouldn't he be and the reason that he fits with? This team gave the reason that I liked him initially is. This is how he played at Duke. He wasn't the focal point of what they did. He was still productive. Rj Barrett had the ball bunch on this team now Brandon Ingram. Didn't play last night but brandon. Ingram is the GO-TO guy. He's having a great seizure basically. Yeah they're not. Having a great season wins and losses you got drew. Holiday was the dominant ball handler. And a very good player. You have Lonzo ball who is a great fit for Zion? Better by the way shooting better but he can throw it to the Rim from Anywhere and Zion just explodes quicker and better than anybody else. He just jumps over people so he's tremendous and I think there's a little bit of I said this undisputed Lamar Jackson in that. He's doing something at more exp- he's more explosive than anyone. We've seen at that position before. I think there's going to be an adjustment as people are trying to figure out how to guard him who to match up with how to how to understand what they're doing they didn't win last night as well But it looked. He's as good as advertised. He has to improve his shooting. He asked continuing to improve his fitness. And if he does so he'll be a superstar to match up with his superstar off the court status. Yeah I mean one of the things I was saying this in my opening rant today I see it with two. I saw Russell Wilson. I see it was I on when I see what I would call an other worldly Dynamic Russell. Wilson's escape ability. I hadn't seen anybody since Steve Young just in little tiny spaces he would move around. It wasn't Michael Vick running. It was just finding time to his accuracy on one leg is insane I it is breeze and then when I see Zay on his energy and explosiveness well the second thing I want because a lot of John Wall had otherworldly speed the second thing I always look for is self awareness. Can you be coached as Westbrook Kantor? Well there's there's a there's a bunch of everything is coming together. Perfectly Kennedy coached remember. He didn't grow up in L. A. K. In Chicago in New York. Where all the shoe companies that throwing money at him when he's eleven twelve thirteen fourteen years old right because if you grew up in southern California you remember the name Shea. Cotton cotton was dying in Lebron before he covers sports and after he ended up going to Alabama every seventy two never made it in the NBA. But part of he was always a superstar. So he didn't he didn't. He couldn't play off the basketball. He couldn't find a way to five he didn't have the greenness. The tough even have the Self Awareness Whereas Zion just goes in place. He's okay being second third fourth at all. He doesn't know any better. He hasn't been the guy on the main court in Vegas at the a U tournament. His entire life did he have that big game. against Was it to one of the ball brothers. A couple years like but but that wasn't until he was a rising senior so because he wasn't lusted over when he's twelve thirteen fourteen years old. There's a certain kind of earnestness to him. Yeah The other part to it though is the timing of when he got into the NBA. Caylao like Lebron. Lebron has benefited from being great. But also the timing of we took handshakes out and now he can play downhill. He's just bigger stronger than anybody are also have a European league which is a a more skilled big without the trunk right which which I think hurts John Wall because these point guards have been become more about skill. Have to be Damian. Lillard is having a better career even though he's probably not a better player than John Wall better shooter because he's so much better shooter and he has unlimited range. Yeah and that changed the dynamic of what they do and how they got him whereas You Zion. Zion comes into the NBA in the eighties and he has ninety s Charles Barkley still great player K. Now you're matching them up with either centers who rim protectors and they're just not strong enough or quick enough quick enough or you're matching. Pj Tucker who he's bigger bigger and stronger than or Draymond Green. Who's now in his thirties? And he's just more explosives so you open up the lane and you unleash him and then you drew holiday might not be one of the top ten passers in the NBA. But if he's your guard and Lonzo Ball's your point guard. You got the best passing tandem of guards in the NBA. You combine their passing with his explosives and ability to find decrease in the defense and it is the perfect timing the perfect spot and in just a small sample size of ten games could as advertised. It is interesting when I grow up. This is in the seventies. There was a baseball player named Dave Kingman Church. Dave kingman today. Would you may four hundred million dollars? Two hundred joy was hit bombs and strikeout but that was an era when striking out was a weakness so he was kind of a bizarre unique kind of you know he was always kind of your old. Your is it Dave Kingman. Today he would be Bryce Harper right and so there is something to be said about. The game moved into staff and away from Russell Westbrook staff. And now you're seeing trae young right right into his. He's got a skill based game for the guards. And then if you're a big guy you don't have to win you remember Derek Williams. He's from La Mirada high school just down the street from eight dairy queens players on a number two pick of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Yeah when he came out he was playing four and at Arizona. He had to become a guard was impossible. He's had an up and down. Mba career. I think he's playing overseas now last year. Cuppa Coffee Teams Lakers even the NBA. If he came out now he wouldn't have changed positions. He just be a four and small five sometimes. It's about timing of when you're born a little bit of luck which allows you to see your athletic greatness. All right we'll take a break goddamn comes back. I've got some thoughts on the job. Borough Situation Should Joe Berle tells Cincinnati you got an eighty four year old owner slash. Gm The smallest scouting department. I'm not playing for you. Elway did it ally did it. There are some that suggests. Borough should do it. Doug Gottlieb next to her. Be sure to catch live additions of the heard weekdays at noon. Eastern nine am Pacific. Hey guys it's bobby bones. I host the bobby bones show and I'm pretty much always sleepy because I wake up with three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later I get all my friends together. We get into a room and we do a radio show. We share our allies. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world if he possibly can and we look through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country. 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We're not planned for the chargers. Cincinnati's got an eighty four year old owner who also considers himself the GM. They have the smallest scouting department. Carson Palmer said during Super Bowl Week. They're not committed to winning. Your Joe Borough. Do you have the guts do you? And Your Dad have the guts to say we're out. I do not and I think I if if all things were equal if it wasn't if he wasn't from Ohio Dad wasn't a football coach. If it wasn't just perfectly setup I understand that the bengals are different than any organization football. They're just a boring version of Cleveland. They're totally dysfunctional. I don't think they're I don't think they're Cleveland because they used to be the bungles and then Marvin Lewis. Never got the credit. He deserved right. There are some things that went bump in the night. You know the Devante Table is them he did. He got made them made them a playoff team. Yeah and I'm having a good relationship with Carson. I know why he chose to retire rather than play for the bengals he signed the biggest contract the NFL. They made him promises. They promised they promised that. And they didn't deliver on any of them and he's like you know what what is. What is really the point here? A putting myself out there. But for Joe Borough you know you go and play. Look the organization still could have. Aj Green they have Joe Mixing. Last year's first round pick was at lyman. Who got hurt? Didn't play you can rebuild this thing. I. I don't think he's as valuable to other franchises as he is to Cincinnati. I think it all works. I'm not sure he goes number one overall if he if he says. I'm not playing for the bengals and by the way while other franchises might flinch and trade him if he balks won't the bengals. They're not they're holding on that pick. They'll draft him if he wants to sit for an entire year. They'll let them sit for an entire year and he won't be the number one pick next year. Trevor Lords be the number one pick next justin fields. We'll be too you know so the the idea sounds great. Sounds like well you know elway did it and then ally did it and oh okay fine but job rose from Ohio. He's not going to sit another year. After sitting two years not playing in college and then being rusty is third year when he played at. Lsu that sounds really good into the microphone but the reality is get out there. You'll get a chance to start. You do have an offensive minded head coach and you'll get a great opportunity with good running back in a rebuild offensive line. I do not tell him I tell him to go. And play for the Bengals. Nick right and Eric Mangini. I thought had a fascinating five minutes. It was really great. And you know Knicks Point was Listen man if I give give give give given a relationship and I ask one favor at the end and you say now it hurts. Manzini was this is the system. Where you're the spokesman for four. Is Tom Brady simply getting into his feels too much yes. I don't think I don't think it's Tom. I think people around him and I think if you you know whether it's Alex Guerrero who had facility there you know on campus if you own. A to too close for comfort or whomever it is because the people I talked to in the nfl they say everyone you talk to around ready. No one talks to Brady as a different idea for what he should do. And I think that's because they're all telling him Tom they're not giving you the receivers they're not doing an end. Like Nicotera just resigned. As as as their general manager just got him. The Patriots are doing it. Patriot way they will not stop to end. God bless him it with with a bad offensive roster at skill positions. They went twelve games last year. They won twelve games and we can say what we want. The guys around him. Tom Brady was down. A point. Had the football a chance to drive them down. Get a field goal when the game. I don't think they had a good enough roster but wasn't for lack of trying. Ed Josh Gordon had Antonio Brown's fair they'd be okay right so they did implode those guys did implode and they did draft. They're bad at drafting wide receiver. But they did try and draft a wide receiver for lack of trying. Yeah it's for lack of execution but we can blame Bella. Check his arrogance and this and that. Tom Brady had the football down one at home. A chance to drive down against Tennessee. Titans he threw a pick six and they lost the game and they won twelve games. So you come back. You do the Patriot way. We'll probably pay a little bit more than we should. But less than you really want. And that's makes the most sense because what are the other options. I know you think the cowboys are legit. I think Tennessee. I've come around talking to enough people in the last week. I think Tennessee Doug I always had this theory and you don't a little bit of this. I've done more because I'm older when you leave a place. You're generally trying to solve the primary headache. Tom's primary headache isn't winning or money. His primary headache is not a lot of fun. I'd like to be respected. More Tennessee answers the weapons and fun. Quotient how who the weapons outside the number well Derrick Henry Adam. They drafted the Ole Miss Wide Receiver. Aj Brown Corey Davis Adam Humphreys Derrick Henry invariables as best buy. He's drinking buddies. Okay so drink. It enters the fun component. He'll solve wants thing. I just I don't think Brady to Tennessee works. I just. He's a brand vegas would make sense. L. A. would make sense Tampa Dun Dun Bay. I know they have the Super Bowl next year. Tampa doesn't feel like it's a market that makes sense for him and Giselle Nash. Vegas is you know you've been there. This is bigger than anything imagined and stuff. Maybe the fastest growing major city major market in the country. But it doesn't feel as big front for Tom Brady to move. You only move for la or you only move. Maybe FOR VEGAS. I just I don't see it. I'm not saying it's not couldn't happen. Here's our Brady Pie. Seventy percent New England one percent retirement. Four percents shocker. Twenty five percent. I also think that in the quarterback shuffle don't be surprised if whether it's breeze or rivers one of them goes and does. Tv like the the money for Romo Israel and those guys are like wait. What I can make ten million I can make and I don't have to go to Otas so there's another point that I don't think people understand about Brady. And why he should stay in. New England. Remember last year skip. Ota's if you go to a new franchise you can't skip on not as you got to be there every day like you can't no no no. The offense doesn't run itself. You have to implement your system with a whole new staff. That doesn't know your verbiage. That doesn't know how you do what you do. Tom Brady going to a new system. Is Much like me trying to teach French at at at your late stage in your life you can't learn new languages to very difficult. Yeah that's true we all right We have a minute left. So there was a massive viral video this week about a woman in an airline that reclined and the guy behind her was in the last row couldn't recline and started pounding. Your seat I watched it for about ten seconds. It was too uncomfortable for me. It was like a jeopardy contestant struggling. I can't watch people struggling. Just I get too emotional so I would have turned around punch the guy right in the forehead but I I believe all airlines should have seats that reclined slightly. And then you can't move them. What was your take on the Senate team Joy Taylor? I pay for my seats. Allowed to recliner recline. You're trying to create some Utopian society. Yeah Airlines that's not a real question that doesn't exist in the world in which we live and travel. What is your suggestion? Are You Klein? I do I do not I. Sometimes I will recline an inch but I am always very aware of the people behind me. Listen He's not flying at the regular terminal anymore talking about specifically because it doesn't matter I honestly fly Delta so I would acknowledge that I have gotten so tired of all airlines. Delta's might go to an I recline an inch. No listen I think what I think proper etiquette is. Hey I'm going to recline. This thing never happened to me. I take forty flights a year. No one has ever asked me if they can recline their seat. They just reclined. I'm just saying that I do you. Typically proper etiquette. But you should be allowed to should be allowed to reclaim reclines. I'm with team. Kim Joy joy to the world our tune airlines one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP. Search her to listen live or on demand. Whenever you like here we go hour two or live in. La this is the heard wherever you may be in. However you may be listening iheartradio Fox sports radio and F s one joy Taylor joins me. She does reclining an airline. I recline slightly but do tend to Kind of look at the whole plane and see who's got room and joys like listen mostly I'm reclining. Now you're getting a lot of pushback pushback then the very like this is more divisive than politics. This is an age old debates and this is how I firmly feel. I've paid for my seat and whatever space it reclines too. And there's certain airlines don't recline so maybe everyone should just lie those but I paid for that space. And that's it if you don't want me to recline you're more than welcome to Ben. Mommy for my ticket. I take them all cash APP Zell and then I'll put up ninety degree angle. I'd hurts my back. I understand that I am mostly non recliner or a slight recliner. This is not a this is not a first class conversation. This is. This is for coach. Flying high fly economy class all times. I flew a middle seat from Salt Lake to La Fourteen beyond a Delta flight. Last weekend fourteen. Be Right in the middle impressive. There go right in the middle recline did not not that. I know I look back and I I do about an inch. It's generally if somebody reclines in Iraq. Linebacker about an inch go right. But so you're you're okay with someone reclining into you. You're Tall Disney. No Collins tall very tall powerful and tall so I saw this story. Kevin Durant makes more news for not planning any basketball player in recent memory. He came out and one of his podcast. This week Kevin Durant dead and said I isolated myself after. The warriors swept draymond green incident under the rug. Now you remember this incident. This was we had video of this where. Draymond Green said. Listen Europe B word and you know you'RE A B word. We don't need you we without you. That was this moment so said at the time. This is something I came back to Kevin Durant never gonNA forget this. There are lines. You can't cross now. I didn't like what Draymond did and Kevin Durant came out and said listen. They never supported me. Like I know stuff happens but they never supported me so first of all. Katie's a very sensitive guy. Bill parcells has set it for your the legendary football coach. Treat everybody fair. Don't treat them the same. I've got kids. They all have different hot buttons. The warriors did not put their arms around K. D. enough for his taste and he said I never got over that. So we know he's sensitive so in that area. I support Kevin Durant. He's more sensitive guy. That's okay and I think when you find a very sensitive guy like Kevin Durant and in the basketball culture is different than the football culture in America. The football culture is about building up men harshly. You're in college three four or five years pay. You wouldn't even suggest it. Go Complain on Twitter. We can cut you. We can trade you. The head coach always has power even over. Tom Brady and Joe Montana Joe. Montana was traded off a great season. Brady forget the pay cut that builds up man it builds up metal basketball culture builds up stars. That's different there's a lot of coddling and worshiping and basketball. The culture is spot. The talent surround the talent Nike. Aau College coach and then groove the talent to be a money machine for all of us. It's a different culture. It's a more coddling. Worshiping protecting culture football's a harsher culture. But when you're sensitive like Kevin Durant and you've come through a culture. That's increasingly worship. Driven coddle Driven Kevin Durant guy who is hypersensitive by pro athlete standards. There is nothing wrong with this. I think the warriors probably in my opinion should have been more aware of it. But this does highlight a concern. I have about Kevin Durant in Brooklyn so the San Francisco media is like most west coast. Media's Chill Steve Kerr's former player so as Bob Myers the. Gm steph is the easiest superstar in my life to play with. Silicon Valley is very progressive. Very Star driven protect the star. It was the perfect place for Kevin with one bad incident. Brooklyn The New York weather's harsher the media's harsher Kyri is a blamer he calls people out it's a losing franchise. It is not the number one star driven sports platform in New York. Yankees are bigger. Giants ARE BIGGER THAN KNICKS ARE BIGGER. I think Kevin Durant should have aggressively not passive aggressively. Address Steve Kerr and Bob Myers Gonda them. You have some culpability to go and you know. Call out your bosses if you're unhappy. That's not who he is. He tends to be a little passive aggressive insensitive but again let me go back to the beginning. I totally get him. Not Liking the line dream on cross because I think draymond absolutely crossed the line and the warriors made a mistake not recognizing that Kevin is different than clay in Steph. He is you just have to come to terms with it but we said this would never ever. This was a huge issue. A lot of media people They're over it. You do. Not there certain lines. You don't cross in if people are calling you the B word over and over I gotTa tell you. Some friend calls me that to line. I'll never forget that. So Kevin I think ended up because of one really ugly incident other than that warriors are Pretty Nice. Form good spot. That moved him all the way across country. To what I believe is going to be a harsher more punitive basketball environment. It's why I don't think it'll work Last night by the way the clippers lost and Paul George got nicked up and collide courses doing the load management thing and so you know on most of the shows like the kind of show we do here. The the opinion based shows. There's going to be a lot of this. Look at look at the clippers right now. There are Lakers number one seed in Milwaukee. Looks better. You have to understand what is happening with the clippers in Los Angeles. These regular season games do not matter. The clippers have been the most interesting regular season team. It was called Blake in Chris. Paul and Andre Jordan. It was called Lob city and it had no impact on the L. A. Basketball Environment. Los Angeles the Lakers. Maybe the only city in America at Los Angeles's basketball is more popular than football. When both are in the city it may be the only city in America and Philadelphia. They like the sixers. They live for the eagles. K New York may be the only city where baseball the Yankees is bigger than the NFL and L. As the only city where basketball the Lakers is bigger than the NFL. Mostly if you have an NFL team. It's the most popular inner city and so not only is basketball popular but it is completely symbolized by the greatest franchise in league history. The Los Angeles Lakers. So when Steve bomber the genius from Microsoft bought the clippers. It's about branding okay. They want their own building. They want their share a building right. Now they're the little brother sharing it with the big brother the Lakers. They want their own building. They want their own brand. They're trying to separate from the Lakers and the only way to do that is to humiliate the Lakers in the Western Conference finals and win the title. And I'm frankly not sure dominating. The Lakers isn't more important than winning the title. This is a brand play. Load management works for this franchise. It wouldn't work for other franchises. The clippers are about winning a title and crushing the Lakers on the way to the title and won titles. Not GonNA CHANGE IT and to May not change. This is all about the postseason this regular season stuff. They've been captivating in the regular season. It didn't change a thing in Los Angeles even with all their Blake Griffin. Cpa THREE LOB CITY. They charged less than half of what the Lakers due for a ticket in the same damn building. They don't care. They don't have the massive. Tvd locally like the Lakers do. This is about getting a title. Nobody in that organization is losing any sleep with regular season losses load management Paul George Semi Injury Lou Williams taken a night off. You have to live in Los Angeles to get the power of the Lakers. You can't go anywhere in this town. Everybody plays second fiddle the NFL PLAYS SECOND FIDDLE TO VIRTUALLY NOBODY IN LA. Lakers way up here rams way down there USC. Third-place dodgers get behind the Lakers. And so that's what the clippers are fighting. And so when everybody's getting worked up about the Load Management Paul Georgia's out. They're not playing great in their building. It is about May and June and by the way they wanna meet the Lakers so badly in the western conference finals. They don't want the Lakers. They do not want the Lakers. Losing to UTAH. They do not want the Lakers. Losing the Portland or losing to upstart Memphis or offensively gift to Dallas. The clippers. Beat the Lakers. In the Western Conference Final. They wanted to get a huge TV rating and they WANNA beat them in five games and stamp on the Lakers. It is our town. That's what they want. Nobody would the clippers. Want the Lakers. Getting knocked out in the first or second round. They want to meet him in the conference finals crush them and win the championship and they want to do it back to back years as the Lakers age. Don't worry about the regular season. Clippers are all right good stuff. I got so many interesting things here today. I'm barely touched on them. Rashad Jennings Jason McIntyre. The former giant joins US next. 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Or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. After a huge debut weekend the sports world is buzzing about the XFL and this week should even better when Tampa Bay takes on Seattle Seattle tomorrow at five eastern on Fox and the Fox sports APP. And don't forget before the XFL games kick off this weekend. Make sure you download the Fox. Sports Super Six APP and play for free for a chance to win up to ten thousand dollars. Spun Rashad Jennings is fascinating. He played. Nfl running back your best selling author New York Times. You have a child book series. We'll talk about your dancing with the stars champion and you go to liberty and make the NFL had did you watch any of the XFL. Last weekend I was a bit of a bit of running back wide. Receiver is the strength of the League. Ole Line is the weakness. Yeah the skill. Set the skills that you can find one or two guys are probably could plan the next level but the office. Alonzo's yourself. Listen you're not allowed. Go Lines in the NFL. So you're not going to have eight good offensive lines in the Xfl So we'll get to your book in a second. I I want to talk about something. The job row trade so John Elway had football coaching dad. So did Eli Manning. Their dads came in and said my sons are not playing for your dysfunctional organization. Joe Boroughs Dad is an accomplished coach. Not as well known. Perhaps as a Jack Elway or an archie manning. But I've always said once a player in the NFL signs a quarterback out of college. He's trapped for seven years. You're trapped they can franchise tag you. I'm Joe Berle. This is an eighty four year old owner who also covets the GM job with the smallest scouting department in the League. I would get a job ruin. His Dad said No. We're not. We're not common here you haven't and you can say to yourself. That's unfair no. It's not you can go get your quarterbacks. In other rounds number one guy in certain years won't play for you. Is that an outrageous. Do players talk about that. Yes I think It's not outrageous. Thought as to Saas at Aucoin on this one I mean if you take a guy and one you need the buffer to be able to fight for you not Joe let daddy the villain. Yeah because the issue coming to play with. Let's say it doesn't Pan Out? Let's say if he him and his camp starts to bark that they want elsewhere and it doesn't pan out and he gets drafted to the bengals. Now you have this or about him in a locker room and soon as they go out there any incompletion people are going to be solid. So you didn't want to be here if you lose a game us. He didn't want to be here. So it messes up the trajectory of his whole career and the stigma about him early. So if you're gonNA swing a bat you gotTa make sure you hit. This is going to look ugly. Yeah no that's a good way to putting But I get it. I totally get it now. If you're going to do it if you want out I mean this is. This is a prom to do it. Especially when you've had some other quarterback say that that organization isn't about winning. I and I do believe. The chargers have a bunch of picks and Players Carolina. Indianapolis you have multiple teams that would go to Cincinnati. I read a story yesterday. Carolina's like here. Here's Christian McCaffrey. Our number one pick two seconds. It's not crazy for Cincinnati to go. Okay we'RE GONNA keep Dolton for one more year. We'll draft a quarterback later in the second round. It's not the craziest thing but I think you put it best. If you're GONNA do it you better get a base knock. Is He gonNA swing the Bat? Better get a base nod first base. That's right it's tough to navigate so we have situations I wanna go to Carolina Carolina's GonNa new owner in a new coach. And I've said this when Tim tebow got replaced in Denver Tiba was so popular. He was iconic. They had to bring in. Peyton manning you bring in pate and people say okay. I'm over Tim. If he had brought in a journeyman veteran They wouldn't have had the force that to overcome the love for Tibo. Cam is very polarizing but the people who love him in Carolina are all in their all in on his fashion. The personality. Like if I'm the owner Carolina I better get the number one. Pick or bring in a real player because I think if you replace Cam if you don't have an idea what you're doing if you limp into that it could be really ugly in that locker room. What would you do if you're the new owner in Carolina or the new coach Samna? I'm the owner is different from if I was a coach versus a player. What would you do if I'm the owner I? I'm I'm I'm gambling a little bit here if I'm the owner I'm GonNa Cam so could play. Football is a great player. I think he still has a lot of value in the league. And I'm GONNA trade him. Okay I'M GONNA get I'M GONNA get my money worth allow him to go. I would be open for Christian McCaffrey for trade or some type. If there's a strong value there And what I would do with that money is I would stack. Moth is Alon. I was stacked defense alarm bill. My teammates out of now. I will go into the next season and compete very hard. Evaluate everybody coaches in everybody. This is a this is my first year as an owner. I'm not going to get whatever happens. I'm going to need time to build us out now. Odds are if you let go of of McCaffrey. And if you don't bring cam in it. Pretty anemic offense. Yes and then you go into that season plan the best but then guess who you get as your first round draft pick the following year okay so that s see. I don't think you're wrong on Lawrence but if I'm an owner now. You're the coach from coach. I need to win now time for them. I need Christian. Oh my team and if I'm GonNa let go of If I'm Lego of Cam Hui Hui bringing in I do need somebody now. I'm not gonNA worry as much as my office defense. Alana Emma build up so a lot of skill players and draft with Moffit Salon and Compete but I'm not letting go McAfee for nothing on this is why by the way I've had. Gm's tell me this coaches coach. Gm's do differently coaches want to win. Games coach's name you met rule off to an Owen. Seven start the owners. Like what do I care? I'm going to get caught but for coaches. That's very personal coaches. Want to win on Sunday so you may have a seven year contract kyle. Shanahan was having no fun going forward. Twenty without Jimmy Garoppolo. Because everybody's saying well you know. It's easy young maybe Shanahan's now the head coach. He's a coordinator Matt Rule Goes. Oh and seven without Cam. Everybody's like you know. He's a Baylor guys not an NFL Guy. Even though he could be a very good coach. Let's shift to Brady. There's a lot out there you played in this league. What do you think is really happening right now? Inside the walls in Foxborough. And that's a good one so brady. Obviously he's always going to be arguably. The best quarterback ever played a game. So what's interesting about this one is? There's no surprise for a lot of people in that organization. If you let your franchise not just a franchise quarterback but ago. Yeah get to the point of March eleventh. Yeah and you haven't signed him is very telling that you are not going to sign him because he has a good relationship with Bella. Check in the craft camera so I know goodness well. He's had a conversation with them off the record about what's going to happen or what should happen or once. Brady's taken so many sacrifices over there taking pay cuts so he could build out the team. He's put team I. He's won super bowls for you. He's done everything he could. So I know you have a great relationship in in behind the walls and now he's GonNa to the media he's not GonNa let out air out any of those US believe they've had conversations had signed hasn't and I think I think one of those conversations ticked him off. I think there's some friction between the those three individuals to collectively and Brady wants out and he said listen. Now is about money if you don't if you should pay me a long time ago And been the highest highest paid quarterback in the League at some point in his career. Now I'm GonNa make it about money but Brady's not he he's also you know this is this is this is totally a push but Brady's never been on social media his whole career. Why is he now exactly? I think because of the TB twelve brand. I think he's he knows the end is near Yes in. So he's trying to build out some of his his Business which I think is brilliant amazing and I applaud them for that but then again if I'm looking at his owner a coach or player I got three different attitudes. I'm watching this via phone owner. I'm like okay. He's more he's beginning to show more focus elsewhere right and the latter years of his career. Which typically you start tanking but you can't. He's anomaly so you can't compare them to anybody else. Which is difficult. And I think that's where I think they're gonNA wash your hands. I think we'll see him in another uniform And I can't wait. I think is going to be great soap opera for next year. His Buddies Mike Vrabel Tennessee's got New England people up in the executive building. They've got his buddy as a head coach and they have weapons weapons for days over there. Yeah great offers a line and And like I would love to be a those meetings because Brady's now trying to convince anybody he's showing up saying hey convinced me what are you. GonNa do for me. Where are you going to how you're gonNA allow me because all the team how you GonNa Allow me to play? What's the goal was the plan For for that reason I'm excited to see where he's going to be at You know he's still an elite player and he's always carried a chip on the shoulder at the age of forty two while the NBN forty-three into the seeds. It'll has still hasn't something to prove. Okay we'll last night with that. Is the thing about protecting brady. He protects himself. Because there's a stat that I saw out of the ball coming out of a quarterback's hand. Two point five seconds. He has eighty percent completion. The next quarterback in a history is Philip. Rivers was seventy four percent. And then the next is peyton manning at At sixty eight and so with all that said he always protects himself because he get the ball out quick. Yeah well I mean. There's another component to this business component. He has got his. Tb twelve protein powders in the whole foods and New England so my takeaway as would he so. He took him for years to get him into the whole foods group in New England. Woody bail on that because then the whole foods group New England would say well. You're not a Patriot anymore. There's a lot of business components like you said. He got very social media savvy in the last eighteen months. Tom Is clearly the the years he's got one or two left. But Tom has a another career and he's he's close to hitting it beyond football. Okay you've got a new book. Arcade in the fiery. Metal Hester third book. This is in your coin. Slot Chronicle series so these are child books. You write these. You've been doing this for years you are. You wrote it liberty when you were there. Did you ever imagine you get to this point? You know what has always been a hope but no to be honest with you. I really didn't foresee it. I'm humbled by it every single classroom. I get a chance to go to and see kids light up and the emails that I give from parents and teachers San How much their kids run to read like? That's that's amazing for me. 'cause I grow with a Rita comprehensive deficit and we know as adults pivotal The successes till human being with the ability to read it allows us to be create. You think that's why you started writing absolutely i. You know I'm writing for myself To give because I didn't find things that were fun to read. I didn't see diversity in books in so I'm writing in in in touch with my thirteen. Saying what does bother me to flip the page and see what happens next when you had your writing deficit. Go back to being twelve thirteen years old. Were you embarrassed when you're mad? Were you anxious? How did it make feel absolutely You know being thirteen A laugh because I see the picture of myself Be I was totally embarrassed in. We used to do popcorn reading. Yeah right in class where you read a read a few sentences and then the next person reads beside you when it got about three people close to me. I would raise my hand at magically. Have to use the bathroom. Like I couldn't read in front of people. I was embarrassed and then that enabled me from public. Speak in a lot of the things to The follows may fun of a thought. I was behind the eight ball. All the time I was pushed through the system Yet not building the education In the in a in a foundation of I really had to then as well went to summer school classes until you can remember those days in class you RABS member at twelve and thirteen years old. Yeah isn't it amazing? How much power that has in your life? Today you took you took embarrassing the great. Yeah and in through these books. The Kit kids star to own their quirkiness They start to own their mishaps They start to build on their creativity throughout the book. Because you fall in love with the characters in who they are and what they mean to you Innocence series is a series of superfund. We actually own all the rights to it have. We've been talking to have a conversation about turning it into a cartoon of different Vendors because it's fun is a fun book is an easy read and Like I said I. I gave a lot of effort into this book. I'm biased but I think is absolutely amazing and I'm appreciative. Because you know my first book may New Year Tom Bestseller. So that opened up the door and I me as a professional athlete in its again always says not special. Nothing special about me is the position so I get to magnify things that I believe in and kids usually love your store. Low your stories great you had you had a in your twelve year old thirteen year old world. You had a crisis. You're embarrassed about it and you wanted to solve it and I love stories like that. I love your story. I always welcome for said Rashad Jennings and Joy Taylor News on the news. This is the third line news sponsored by Liberty Mutual Insurance only pay for what you need so chargers head coach Anthony. Lynn spoke publicly for the first time since the team parted. Ways with Philip rivers did what he's saying. Hey still have tyrod Taylor under contract and Lynn thinks he has the potential to take a step up this year. Tyrod Taylor is a quarterback. He's we've been how a better backup right now and And now he's has an opportunity to maybe separate study whirl and I've had tyrod before and I know what this you'll remember until table. Top Five backup in the League no question. They aren't good situation. You remember what he did in Buffalo. Tyrod tyrod is is building around him. But you go in games with tyrod Taylor but I do like if they do end up getting to a I. I love tyrod being there with two now. Unfortunately for tyrod is kind of in the same situation as you. He was in before with Baker. But I just think tyrod such a pro and such a reliable. Your words exactly. He's a he's a pro. He's completely reliable. He someone like you said you can't. You're not going to build your franchise around him but if you need a quarterback for this year for the next two years until you figure out what you WANNA do tyrod guy. He's GonNa go out there and win games. They have a lot of weapons. So it's the they made the wild card round with the bills and he also would tyrod. Taylor doesn't do as make mistakes so this again. The chargers have enough talent. Sometimes Philip rivers could make the play but there was a Jameis Winston Quality Philip which is Oh my God. Tyrod does tyrod anatomy arm. He knows it so he he really is very teddy bridgewater. He's very Alex Smith. Yes some efficient. I'm an athletic move a little but I play within what I am. So the ceilings a little lower but tyrod doesn't lose games and he's reliable and consistent professional if you get someone like to say to as maybe not one hundred percent by the time season comes around. You're in a perfect situation for the chargers or any rookie quarterback for that matter. If that's the direction that they choose to go in so the redskins are releasing veteran. Cornerback Josh Norman. After four years with the team Norman said that Ron Rivera called him this morning to break the news while it wasn't his decision to leave Washington. He said he is ready to start something. New and fresh he was due twelve point. Five million. Who In two thousand twenty. Which was likely lead to split going into its ninth season still playing at a high level. So he's he's going to end up somewhere obviously not going to be at. That number. Had FORTY TACKLES. Total tackles still apply. Active wars fumble one interception. He's a playmaking corner. He's not just a corner. Josh still makes plays right now. It was benched at the end of the season. He played only two of the final. Six Games. Ten total snaps. But I think this is a good situation for Ron Rivera. Obviously he is with him for years in Carolina but he clearly trying to establish what he wants their clear. Some space bringing some young talent and for Josh Norman. He's GonNa end up somewhere like that's no question about that but the only thing that confuses me about Washington still is doing hoskins. Oh I think they're getting give them a whole year. I think they're going to give Dwayne Haskins. I think they're going to go drafts young. I wouldn't be. I could be nuts on this. I think teams would move. Upper Chase young now chases quite good move down on but I think you draft chase young and you just say we're going to get a little younger a little leaner. We're going to let Goals Josh. Norman's and you've Dwayne Sixteen Games and if you see marked improvement week one to week twelve then you keep this Dwayne Haskins all in. I think Alex Smith is going to retire pretty soon. Actually they don't really have They don't have a timer on them this year. There's no keyed on this year to do anything except for take small steps of improvements. Allow Rivera to come in and establish whatever culture. He's going to the polls. Alex Smith I believe is going to retire in transition to the front office is in the NFL. Alex is the perfect guy to have in the building. Of course like tyrod Taylor. Perfect guy to have in the building overdoing during this. What you gotta do. I mean you saw what he did for for Patrick Mahomes which obviously but now I know when it's comparing between Haskins but Patrick has said many times being able to see how Alex Smith Prepares. What he does is a professional helped him tremendously in his career. Finally Ben Rothlisberger is still having his elbow after suffering a season ending injury last September and steelers. Gm Kevin. Kohler is very optimistic about the future. He said all signs are good. We're hopeful that he can make a complete recovery. We don't think he's at the end of the road. Well Yeah I mean. There's three nothing else to say. He's making thirty four million season so he's he's GonNa be out there one way or the other time he started. He threw for forty days over a forty five hundred yard his last year he threw for a man for five thousand yards going into a seventeenth season. I mean he's he's old he's this is one of these. Let me watch employ. Yeah I mean. There's no there's no other option like I said he's getting thirty four million dollars this year. So we're going to be watching Ben Rothlisberger with the Pittsburgh steelers. Now bensman talking about you know retiring. And he's not retiring over the past couple years. Obviously that was kind of viewed some frustrations with whatever was going on in Pittsburgh which you know who knows at this point but he's GonNa be thirty eight in March. I Bet Big Ben is not Tom Brady like we're not comparing the body situations in any way and Big Ben takes big big hits because he's a big guy but I do think that this is more reflective of what the AFC north is going to be next season. Because it's just not gonNA look the way that it did without the steelers hung in there like had had an unbelievable season despite having being completely they were down to a game duck hodge. Yes and insane at the quarterback position joy with the news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard lie third hour. Were radio only so. We're going to bring Jason McIntyre one of my favorite segments. We run it on Fridays in the last hour. We'RE GONNA move it up. I love. It's called tomorrow's headlines. Today with Jason Mcintyre he gives you the big headlines of the weekend. 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I barely follow regular rules so I'm not I'm read as well be my. You are my wife. These are the kind of car on the same day. We have the exact same mentality. Is it really same? Exact Jason Mcintyre here for our radio audience. Tomorrow's headlines Today. Let's get right to it all right tomorrow's headlines. Today what should Cincinnati do with their number one and leave. I heard you bashing Joe Borough. I mean unbelievable. The headline will be bengals in Tigers in. Borough Oh my show borough lock it up Colin number one to the bengals and listen. I heard a lot of you love to and for a while this season. I like to a two but at the end of the year. When you look at what borough did against Clemson okay in the Semi Final Game Against Oklahoma? This guy threw for sixteen touchdowns the year before eight to sixty. Doesn't it worry you that he was just average and I knew that question was coming so I'm ready? He's twenty three years old. Some guys are late bloomers. He was in Ohio. Stadi- wasn't quite ready. Couldn't beat out. Braxton Miller Nice guys did get injured finally gets to Lsu is okay and then gets Joe Brady and finally it all clears up. I mean you had that professional moment in your career when you're you're pretty good and then all of a sudden boom boom. They're like eight. You're the next Tony Kornheiser. Yeah come on down and it opened up and Colin becomes a big star. Yeah that's what happened with Joe Borough this year at Lsu all right. I think he turns it around for the Bengals. I mean they're not gonNA win eight Games next year. I don't know if you'll be as good as cuyler. Murray was because it sounds like Aj Greens not coming back. But I think the Joe Borough is going to be the guy in Cincinnati okay. I made a comment. This week. Apparently did not go over all go over well in Michigan where I said if I would draft two of the bengals at three and I'd Trade Stafford who I think has value in the market tomorrow's headlines. Today Jason Mcintyre should the lines move off? Matt Stafford this is easy. Obviously Matt Stafford thirty two years old great quarterback the headline will be standing at the Detroit. Lions stand put and keep Matt Stafford. This is not even a question call. Listen I'm a big Matt Stafford Fan if you look at the last six years three times he's led the NFL game winning drives. He hasn't had a defensive Detroit. Got Nothing there. This is a guy who has played with a running back if you go through his twelve year career. Who's the best running back he played with? You can't even name them. Bunch of guys who are irrelevant. The defenses have stunk and all Matt Stafford does is put a big numbers lead his team back and pick up good victories now they were close last year. Remember they started to Owen. One may have bet the over for the Detroit lions season win total so I know this intimately and they got a little unlucky against the chiefs. Remember this game and then the following week on Monday night. Football got job by the refs. I'm not going to go week to week but Stafford gets hurt in. What are you working for? He gets hurt in the middle of his really good season. Nine thousand nine hundred eighty five picks and that was all she wrote. I'm going to go on the record right now. Matt Stafford will take the Lions to the playoff next season in Detroit. Take it to the bank. This team's close Matt. Patricia cannot bail on him. Take to. He's going to get fired if he does that. College come on tomorrow's headlines Today. Nba Who will win the NBA? Rookie Year Jami. Ranson the lead right right. A lot of basketball left the headline will be Zaylon. Top of the world lawyers in my guy come undisputed this week with Rob Parker Greg Jennings and Parker is just like he's not a star Bruce Hardee's not a star why am I turning my TV on every night to watch him. I mean listen is not the definition of a star. Pelicans are coming here to play the Lakers at staples I have friends. Who HAVE SEASON TICKETS? They're already fielding request Lib? Bring me to the PELICANS game. This unbelievable back toback thirty point games in fourth teenager in NBA history to do that. And he has a minute restriction. He's don't even one hundred percent healthy. And if you watch them. Last night against Stephen Adams in shape now is in shape but he's not fully basketball ready ten games. He bullied Stephen Adams in the posts. No Stephen Adams toughest guys in the League. Yes from a physical perspective and look at the quickness from Zion. I can't take my eyes off him when he's on the court and listen. John Moran has been fantastic. I think he's coming on my radio show tomorrow morning on Fox Sports Radio Job. Miranda's so I'll ask him about it. A lot of people say Ziad will have no chance because he hasn't played enough games. I'm telling you if they get to the play offs heels going to get a law they have the easiest remaining schedule the Pelicans in the NBA the Memphis. Grizzlies have the toughest remaining schedule. So things could lineup Colin Zairean Williamson Verse Lebron in the first round of the playoffs. I'm not complaining about that. Ran They all ball and Brandon Ingram with a revenge former Lakers. That would be ideally. That's the best playoff series in the West. But maybe the best first series in a decade or so that would be incredible tomorrow's headlines. Today who will represent the East in the NBA finals? I'm sure some people will say. This is knee jerk after watching a great game last night the headline will be Jay and silent Brad. Strike back yes. I'm a fan of that silly comedy movie but Jason. Tatum was phenomenal. It's been great without Kyrie irving entire career. They got better by losing career. Jaylen Brown's heaven is. He's got three guys. Jalen Brown Kemba Walker Jason Tatum. Averaging over twenty points a game now everybody says oh. The bucks are being incredible and they Record and everything. That's true but I just this comes down to trust if you talk to anybody in the NBA. Who Do you trust in a playoff series from Milwaukee and this is what I said about Denver. A Yokich is great. If Jamal Murray's not hitting they got a bunch of guys Barton an average twelve game. I'll tell you right now. I Trust Gordon Hayward whose maybe the third or fourth option on the Celtics more than I do. Chris Middleton if you run back that raptor series last year against the bucks in the playoffs. Khris Middleton visible thirteen points per game I think he shot twenty nine percent on threes. Like I know he's all star but the reality is I don't trust Chris. Middleton is my second start now tatum Hayward Walker. We've seen him be clutch since dating back to his college days. I'll listen Boston. Got Everything they don't have a ton of size. That's the question. How do they defend John? Belfi and Milwaukee have the big definitely. They don't have Al Horford. He's now in Philly. I think they packed the lane and dare them to beat them from three. Maybe honest has it off series in the Celtics. Political Jason McIntyre. So what are you doing for the big weekend? Joy is going to Chicago for the All Star game and I'm going to Vegas with joint travel every week. She travels good Klein my seat. Yeah what do you do? Coaching both my Kids Basketball Games. And then we're going to a little trip for next week with the kids vacation. Catch me on instagram. Enjoying the sun stuff. I gotta read this spot fellows. Guys gals Casper's transforming the way we sleep once news at a time. Get fifteen percent off your order. Get a casper or wave mattress. Today GO TO CASPER DOT COM. The Code is press fifteen presidents day P. R. E. S. FIFTEEN CASPER DOT com. Press fifteen joy and I return for our number three on the radio side and f s to thank smack one more heard the heard streams twenty four hours a day seven days a week within the iheartradio APP. Search her to listen live or on demand whenever you like would truecar shopper. Save an average of over thirty five hundred dollars off. Ms Rpm by smarter Dr Happier Get Truecar by the way with this astros controversy. Here's the thing if you're a major league baseball hitter. I sat around a batting cage a few times in my life. If these guys knew the pitches that were coming. Do you know what guys would bat the world's best hitters. They know the pitch. That's coming like these astro fans. Gregory should just be ashamed of himself as an Astro Fan. Who Says I'm not all right at least of that? I mean it's just like if you know what pitch is coming. Of course. The owners like didn't have anything to do with it. You take major league hitters and they know a sliders coming. That's this ridiculous. That's why you hide signs because that's the only chance you have as a pitcher is to move the ball around the plate obvious blatant competitive advantage. I mean there is just no humility in that press conference yesterday once you have gotten the punishment from MLB. You're I mean. How much more trouble can you get in? Just be just have some humility about it. Culpability does accountability self-awareness is Sam there. He writes for senior NBA writer for the athletic which according to my sources will own the world in about a year Sam Amick the Atlantic lyric covered the NBA for fifteen years USA Today before that and USA. Today still are weighed. Fleming figured it out. He's just athletic now. He used to be at the. These guys are all moving around out of the athletic. It's just gobbling up everybody Sam. You wrote about the Clippers Chemistry and and and we saw a story about a month ago. Oh boy there's a collide load management. It's not sitting. Well let's do a deep dive. What you learn Sam in regards to buy the load management the chemistry. What's the truth behind the behind? The Wall here Holland as always. Thanks for having me My feeling has been going back and we wrote that piece and then certainly still now is that. It's a pretty understandable process that they have gone through where you have these two collections of players and athletes than men. Where the guys who were there before. Colli and Paul achieved some pretty special things. Now I you know. Eight seat in the playoffs is not normally called special. But they were plucking playoff team that was gritty and they played above their heads. And and honestly I think the way. They competed last year. Winning two games against the warriors in the playoffs. That was the kind of thing that the optics were. Great Colli. Paul definitely were impressed. They figured out what they wanted to do. With their futures Lou Williams of the World Mantras Herrell guys like that Patrick Beverley you know they. They were good. Reason took a ton of pride in the way they had their program built before and then integrating too big time superstars and Kaline Paul and some of the unique elements specifically they come with white. Which is that because of his physical condition which we can't forget. This is medical stuff. These are health problems he has had. He's handled differently and you know early on this year. I do think it was a kind of there. Were some growing pains there between those two contingent I do think they've got it together for the most part and their goal has always been to take the long view here and just make sure that they found enough synergy by the time. The playoffs came around to kind of Mesh those two camps and have a title contending team so last night I'm watching Zion and a little celtics. I watched the Tom. Fascinated with Zion before I get to that. Let's talk about Jason Tatum. Who was spectacular. Last night was spectacular as a rookie Now kyrie's gone spectacular again. There was a lot of talk last year. He's regressed he's at a ceiling in my takeaways environments matter and the environment with Kyri was not ideal I think Andrew Wiggins will flourish in the Golden State Environment. These are young kids I mean. Isn't it fairly clear at this point that High Rian Boston? It just didn't work O- hundred percent. I mean not only that but some of those themes obviously have traveled with him to Brooklyn in terms of the way that kind of what comes with Jerry and I think my thing would be if you're Jason Tatum. Jaylen Brown and you were going to set the storyline last season internally. Which is to say that you kind of felt you know. Maybe it wasn't personal but you felt like carry style and his presence was holding you back. Well if that's the way you're going to frame it then you've got to deliver on the back end when he's not around anymore. Last night case in in particular delivers the kind of way that he never has in his career and big stage. You know really good. Clippers team Nationally Televised Games. Just exciting stuff. And whether he's you know Duncan on somebody's head late or hidden step back three or blocking Lou Williams as he tried to get to the cup. Jason was incredible and really. That was a one of those moments where you go. Wow okay like is he. Is he going to be their new franchise centerpiece because you know last night and he certainly looked like well tell you what between Tatum Hayward Kemba Walker Jalen Brown? You got four guys. Who Can score twenty now? Milwaukee has got the best player but if you know McKee I don't trust. Chris Middleton in the playoffs. You could make an argument if the playoffs is about depth last year. You know Toronto depth of starters but is there a four teams in the League? Is there one team in the League at Boston? That has four guys that you wouldn't be surprised if they dropped twenty four to pretty unique team in terms of of scoring. No it is for sure. I mean Toronto's gotTa Balance and when they're healthy they're incredibly deep so they come to mind. You know Miami's a different landscape. You know once you get past Jimmy and Bam out of bio and to a lesser degree dodgers. They don't have that kind of weapon. You know weapons throw at you. The Milwaukee thing I mean it doesn't matter how dominant they are They are going to likely finish with the historic season. And the seventy you know range from a win standpoint. But they're going to have to exercise the demon of the playoffs last year. Where not only did you? Lose AGAINST TORONTO. You got swept you know after winning the first two and that's the type of thing that as far as deciding what we think of that group you know. That's the kind of colored rolling over college is not answering the bell from an adjustment standpoint. Mike Boone Holes. Are you still look back at that and say how did that happen? And that's what they're going to have to reconcile but in the here and the now I do think in this is kind of the flip side of it. I definitely still think. We're sleeping on my group because Middleton. I've been skeptical at times of his ability to be that second guy. I mean I'll say this. He cannot play better given his God given abilities than he is. The guy had a wonderful year and he's lights out shooter and he he's not you know. These are not kind of tech in Tier Co Star numbers. These are big time. Co Star legit numbers. Sam Amick joining US senior. Nba writer the athletic all right on his eye on train. I loved him at Duke. I think he's I think he's got that unique ability to be confident yet humble. I think he's got self awareness. I think he's a leader not a follower. He showed that it do Korea. Said I WANNA come back for a second year. Of course I'm GonNa play following the injury. There's nothing I don't like about him Sam urine NBA Arenas every night. What are the sources say? What are the Scout? Say WHAT ARE THE PEOPLE SAY ON ZION? Who is putting up historically good numbers in his first. You know ten games. Yeah I mean it's as you would imagine I mean there. There is kind of crazy over. This guy as Fanar is the media. Is the the elephant in the room? Question is is certainly no pun intended just his size and the ability to stay healthy. You know I. I watch a game like last night against Oklahoma City and you know you still see some of the youth that bad turnover late. That was a big deal and then but specifically there was one possession collar where he goes up to grab his own offensive reborn rebound and nobody's got a quicker second jump and he does on the planet but his second jump what struck me was was this kind of jarring reminder of his size and he jumped over. Stephen Adams and it was special to watch. But it's still just looked photoshop from the standpoint of the size of his frame. Like what are you kidding? Me Like the. There's so much book and I know the. Pelicans have pushed back hard against the idea that he's got to lose more weight and I can't pretend to be you know physiologist Dr trainer any of the above. I'm not an expert field As somebody who just generally liked seeing athletes you know stay healthy and maximize their talent. I just hope that he can put together a twenty year career. And if he does he's a hall of. Famer it's just to me. It's a no brainer. Yeah I mean he. He reminds me a little of Karl Malone Shawn Camp a little griffin and in a little bit of Charles Barkley with the in the but the base where he can push guys around all of those all of those four all stars so to me. He's an all star player with a superstar. Name style. Duke clearly helped him get noticed. I think the difference. I don't know if you'll be a superstar in terms of titles but Barkley was a superstar and didn't win titles Marino was a superstar. Some guys have it. There's an it quality to him Sam. There is a I know this when the NFL season is over. I turn into heavy NBA rotation every night. I watched this kid last night. I chose it over the clippers. Who ARE IN MY HOMETOWN OVER BOSTON? I just want to see the kid play. And if I'm the average NBA Fan there. Something there that Adam. Silver has got to be licking his chops. He gets me to a television. That's all I know I'm with you call it. I'm sitting in my house last night and to give you buy set up. I got a bunch of spots in my house to watch games but I have a projector that gives you the huge picture on the wall and you put one game there and then I had the laptop in front of me with the second game and after about five minutes of watching Clippers Celtics. I kinda had this epiphany like what am I doing? I gotTA switch these. I got to be on the big screen and I guarantee you Adam silver loves here and all of this stuff because ratings have been down in the first half of the season. This is for them. I think really exciting way to go into the all star break with a healthy diet and Williamson with a lot of these teams that we talked about parody a lot in the summertime and all these different dynamic duos. We thought that was going to generate interest. I think early on it generated a little bit of confusion among the fans about. Yeah I don't have a I don't have a a villain and hero anymore with the warriors and the cavs Things like that like I think people have had to figure out who's who and what's what but I think it's evolving and I think it should be a fun second year senior. Nba writer for the athletic. It's worth the subscription Sam Amick. You have a great all star. Weekend thanks man. Thank you appreciate you. Computer systems in cars of the new normal advanced tech touchscreen sensors expensive defects. It'll break you need carshield. Call eight hundred car. Six thousand and mentioned the code heard or just go to carshield dot com and use the code her to save ten percents a deductible may apply joy Taylor with the news. This is the third line news. Drew brees has announced yet whether he will play a twentieth. Nfl season this year but he does know the end is coming sooner rather than later man. It's been such a huge part of me and while football is not my identity by any stretch right. There's still a little bit of a scary feeling that at some point you're going to have to walk away from the game right and it'd be able to play it anymore. It's not just a wake up one day and you know that it's okay. It's no longer right itself. The new struggle with for a while. Right you struggle with the thought of walking away but also listen. I know I believe in my heart man. The next chapter for me is going to be even better. That's moments when you retire is is really something that that sticks out to me like. I remember when my brother came and told me that he was going to retire. What was that like I mean I was just sitting in his house and he just walked in the room and was like hey I I I think I'm I think I'm going to be done. I think is going to retire after the Sierra it was the middle of the season and I was like okay. Well how do you feel about it? And he was like I mean I just. I just think it's time and like Jason was very very good with his money and obviously had an incredible career. Yeah we obviously wanted to win a championship. But it was at that point with the dolphins like that wasn't an option for the next year so he just felt like it was time and it was. It was the right decision for him. But it's it's such A. It's such an experience to walk away from something that's been your identity for decades at a time. Like how he's saying it's not his identity you know he does have a family and also the things but when you play on that level for that long to then come to grips with the fact that you're not GonNa do that. Every day is his dramatic and on top of it. You considering that whatever it is that you move into whether it's you know broadcasting or whatever there's going to be nothing like the experience of waking up every day and going into a locker rooms right getting around a group of men and competing and then going out in front of thousands of people to then do what you've worked so hard on it. It's just it is a big moment. There's there's a void for a lot of pro athletes. That's why it's rare you know. Brady's been pretty smart about this. I think the late Kobe Bryant Derek. Jeter Peyton Manning Brady you can kinda see about a year or two before they go. They're just starting to position themselves. And because it's so all encompassing when you play a sport you really can't be in it's seventy five percent right so I mean like Brady is soon as the year ends. He does a lot of social and then once the season starts his socialist Sunday twelve seconds. Instagram going L. F. G. someone put together and the Pru. Yeah so it. It is hard to be great at anything. You have to be ninety. Eight percent all in Seattle from one hundred percents everyone around you supports it. That's what it is that you do but when it comes to sports there's just there is no alternative to that level of competition and crowds and energy and Kyle. Lowry said the other day like what it feels like. To be champion. There is no high like it. There's no replacement for that feeling. So it is. It's a big decision to retire. We talk about it like flimsy. Whatever you're GONNA BE LIKE MANNING RETIRES WE'LL RETIRE. It's it's a big decision to make so it's well known that the on-court incident between Kevin Durant draymond green last season contributed to Katie's departure from the warriors. And now he's getting a little more detail about what when wrong. He said that it started. He started isolating himself after that incident because he felt like the team swept under the rug and never talk to him about it because that discussion never happened. He decided to focus on himself and his game. I think we've talked about this incident a lot especially when it happens way personal. I felt like it was so it was so dry. I mean you say was ill advised by Draymond. Green is is is underselling. How ridiculous it was. I'm very surprised that the team didn't handle it the way that it did because as you said earlier like there's certain things you can't come back from once you say to someone that was one of them. I mean even like it just in intimate relationships. There's things you can't come back from CO WORKERS. You can't come back from but in a situation as a volatile and emotional as as the competition and scrutiny that they were under to do that so openly and for the warriors not to understand and they did. I know because I have a source inside the organization they knew and this is not a knock. Kevin just more sensitive so you take pretty sensitive kid who kind of feels a little bit like an outsider because it steps Ta and Draymond says Gory yourself what he says. You GotTa Damp You. GotTA REPAIR THAT DAMAGE FAST. And everyone knows that that's Katie's personality personally even if he wasn't that personality why wouldn't you address it like even if even if he was somebody that you know let stuff roll off of him. That's such a dramatic public situation. You would think that they would take the time to make sure that that is solved and everyone is cool and then like look into it from. Katie's camp like he's saying is okay. He's okay but is he really okay like do we need to do more work. It just seems like such an oversight such so out of character for the warriors they let that happen and also it is what we said it would be. It was a bigger deal than anybody. Everybody kept saying you know they've patched it up don't you and I kept saying those words aren't really patch up words. No you have to do some work. Your it's not a that sleeping on the couch for two months. I mean that's the that those words go read them. I'm not saying those words sting if yeah I mean. I'm not getting over that but I'm patty. So finally Damian Lillard strained. His Groin on Wednesday will not be able to participate in the All Star game this weekend. Devon Booker will take his place as a reserve team. Lebron this is booker's first. All Star game appearance very well deserved. And we'll also take lillard place in the three point contest. I'm very excited for the slam. Dunk contest and three point gon. Who'S THE Who's deleting the SLAM DUNK contest? Who's going to be the Big Star Well Slam Dunk? Contest is Pat Coniston Aaron Gordon Dwight Howard and Derrick Jones. Junior junior heat fan white Howard is interesting though. She has had a shocking year. He deserves a lot he is. He is had a goofy. I mean he was great and then he was hurt and then he was goofy but he's become less goofy and more productive. Yes he's back in with. Actually a huge question marks for their chemistry this year. Pops off the bench gives you numbers these you know they. They've got bigs. They their their issues going to be do they have. They need to me. Kyle Kuzma gotTA play well in the Post. Danny Green will be fine. They got to have a four th guy that can hit a three. I think they're going to have to do whatever great team does. That has some spots missing in the playoffs there. Each a role player is going to be big every night. Maybe not the same one series joy with the news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard. It's Valentine's Day coming up next we give out gifts. Our favorite athlete should receive for their Valentine's Day. Be Sure to catch live editions of the heard. Weekdays at noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox sports radio F S One and the iheartradio APP planned this weekend be prepared with a windshield wiper. That handles anything. Michele endurance xt silicone wiper blades available at Walmart last two times longer than other blade. It's our best for last enjoy. Valentine's Day is a day of giving gifts to the ones you love so we thought we've got some sports figures we talk about a lot on the show and what would be the perfect Valentine's gift for the sports stars in our life. Well Colin. Let's do Joel. Embiid Ben Simmons. Valentine's Day Goulet. Do we have some? Oh God that's awful music again and that's okay. Embiid and Simmons. I think flowers because lowers of the perfect consolation after a break up and they're not gonNA last in two months. They're going to be broken up because Ben Simmons Nine Games without embiid this year average is eight assists nine and a half rebounds and twenty two points so let's give them flowers. That's a beautiful consolation prize when people break up dismiss. Music is so boogie nights. What gifts should the Lakers get this Valentine's Day about the oldest team in the NBA? A case of ensure because whereas the Denver Nuggets have one player over thirty the Lakers average age is twenty nine and a half boogie cousins out. Anthony Davis Miss Seven Games. This is an old old team. They call a thirty year. Old On the Lakers take kid a case of ensure the age. What kind of couch life are you envisioning getting someone insurer for around day? What gifts should Russell Westbrook at the sound times day? That's easy a box of chocolates. Because you never know what you're GonNa get with the fourth gum. So he shooting twenty three percent on three pointers. I don't even know what to say that his average is like thirty. One percent and the rockets are five and nine. They're fourteen biggest games in so chocolates or unpredictable. I always go with a dark chocolate dark chocolate square. The square dark chocolate. I don't like the the the Nougat. I'm not a fan either. I need some some nuts in there. I'm dark chocolate. I always go to Wolf Square. Dark chocolate almost always nuts or like fudge force. Not Very Romantic movie. Call in what. Gift Sha Dak Prescott get the scientists say. I was thinking about this. How about a trip to Mexico? Because it worked for Zeke got a new contract and also remember Zeke. Went got a new deal when he went to Mexico. And it's a much needed vacation after all this contract talk it's going for twelve months is relaxed a little bit to go down there and the food is spectacular the waves. The weather's beautiful in Mexico what about Baker Mayfield's but does he get this Valentine's Day will you know he tends to talk a little too much so I thought we'd get him candy conversation hearts where you can only have three words smart like no comment or no comment on to Cincinnati right? Yeah so he talks too much so if you get candy heart and he can only have two or three words. He won't get a nearly as much trouble very thoughtful. All right how Shanahan with cow Shanahan get involved. I think we both like Kyle Shannon. We do but he has had a couple of. How do we say this stinkers in the fourth quarter the Super Bowl? So I thought we'd get him Cologne. Cover up the stench of being outscored. Forty six nothing in his last two super bowls in the fourth quarter the Kyle Shanahan Cologne. Cologne is always a nice get. It is a nice gift right. Finally the goat which Tom Brady get for Valentine's Day. You've really got to think this one out. Yeah what do you get someone who has everything? How about a heart shaped card with a message inside? Roses are Red Violets. Are Blue Complain. La So I can see you. So he'll that's that's poetry for the ages really. Is You know Manhattan. Beach where I live is not very far from the stadium. Yeah and and it's very. You're basically a part of the chargers front office at this point. Yes I am I am. They listened to me a lot by the way rangers. Blue Jackets today. Discover card key matchup discover matches all cash-back you earn Andy First Year. Ninety five percent of places in the US take at discover dot com slash. Yes limitations apply a tie. Doug Gottlieb Rashad Jennings Jason McIntyre and Sam Amick. Stop By. Today we got into this big conversation that took over America even the Delta Airlines CEO is confused. So there's a video out there where somebody a woman was leaning back all the way Max. Lean back ric two inches and the guy was last row. A seat and the guy started banging on her chair and somebody taped it and he just started banging on it and so. I am not. I'm a recliner but a subtle recliner joy as you recline as far as you want. I I go the whole two inches. Yes Okay and the Delta C. E. O. Today addressing it even. He said we should ask. The person will create another fight. So what if you ask me and I say no. Don't recline absurd. I'm telling you I have flown like fourteen of the last sixteen weekends. I've never had a person asked me if they can recline into mice fly first class. No I fly first class when someone is flying me somewhere like a company is fine. Sort of my by my own seat. I'm not flying first class so when you that you don't want I do not have it like that. I do not have it license. It comes out got it like that. I cannot fly first class fly and that's fine. I don't mind flying coach. I don't have long legs so I'm usually fine but my back does hurt on these flights. So I- recline it so I can the person who climbs into my space. It's fine the seats reclined. Now that said in that situation. Where if I'm in the last second to last row and I know that person can recline. I wouldn't recline my seat. However if you chose the punch the back of my seat you can deal with the repercussions of whatever I choose to do. I would if I was a steward or stewardess. So what is it? What's the proper term you know flight attendant? I would go and say well. You'RE GONNA meet police on the tarmac and this is the last time you fly for the next nine years. Yeah I think you got to be pretty dumbed pungency like that's just just a dumb guy. I don't know who that guy is but it's not. I don't think anyone's on his lied on. A facade interrupt. I was once on a flight where police did meet us. Oh no no like police so I was on a flight. Don't remember the airline and yes I do. It was northwest airline and I was on a flight and the guy got on and he had his pants on not only inside out but backwards and there was a dark haired attractive stewardess of flight attendant and she was not about to deal with his crap and he was just goofy and he made a move toward the cockpit and she grabbed him sat him down and all I know is when we landed in Minneapolis. There were there were Lights yeah all around and the flight landed and a bunch of guys in jackets storm. The plane she was a tough lady. Yeah in general. Behave with his pants. Were not only inside out. They were inside out and backwards which is a warning sign. He's on Meth. That's a pretty good sign is going to unravel at thirty. Three thousand feet joy have a great NBA All Star Weekend Chicago happy. Valentine's Day glide across the ice at ice and lights winter village a cameron run in Alexandria enjoy outdoor skating and thousands of twinkling lights. Great Photo OPS. 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What Happened to the Warriors and Kevin Durant

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What Happened to the Warriors and Kevin Durant

"The following podcast includes explicit language not restricted to words beginning with F S B and Q. Hi I'm Josh Levin Slates National Editor and this is hang up and listen for the week of April thirteen. Two Thousand and twenty and this week show we're going to talk about. Espn televising force. Major League baseball is planned to restart the season by quarantining everyone in Arizona and other dispatches from Sports World Gone Insane also talk with the Athletics Ethan at Sherwood Strauss about his new book the victory machine the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. And the hang up. Listen Magazine Club will convene to discuss how I psych them. Bill Russell's nineteen sixty five account of how he gets an opponent's heads or will we discuss it. Maybe maybe not think about it from Washington. Dc Connoisseurs of the hangup. Intro copy will note. I did not mention the clean up top because I'm going to mention it now. 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Rice and Roger Craig at the Houston Galleria in one thousand nine hundred eighty one and get being that. There was a business card from thirty years ago. A pretty certain that that's nowhere to be found anymore. It's really sad but I had the very good memory. Being thirteen years. Old would have enough confidence to go up to my heroes at the mall. So that was a big deal. That's great I've only asked for one autograph. In the course of my work. This was different. It was the end of the season. The book was done. And I'm holding this up now two. I interviewed Palay. Who WAS SPONSORING CITIBANK? I think it was mastercard. Really impressive from my desk Nice. I love the fact that you don't consider the baseball from your book to be forward because the book was done anytime you're done with an interview you just ask for an autograph. It doesn't count. It wasn't like an autograph as I loved. These guys daughter looking all right fair enough. 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Go Bears Positive Coronas test the NBA ESPN teamed up to bring us one of the first live sporting events in our socially distance world Sunday night was the debut of the NBA Horse Challenge which featured four separate matches between a mix of current and retired NBA in wnba players now other than confirming the obvious financial gulf between top NBA players and their wnba counterparts. I doubt anyone learned anything. We didn't already know. Professional basketball players possess an insane amount of skill. Were you not entertained? Stephan I wanted about five minutes of Joel. And here's what I saw. I saw Paul Pierce Missile Layup. I saw Paul Pierce Missa jump shot and I saw Paul Pierce Halas which looked like a really really expansive Italianate Pink stucco Adobe. I'm not sure what it was. And he's got a nice reflecting pool. And Zach Levine has a batting cage in his backyard. So that's what I took away from horse. I was totally charmed by sexually. I don't know if people were roasting it on on twitter or something but especially the last matchup between Allie Quigley and Chris. Paul Alley quickly was the breakout star of this event Wnba three point champ And they had like a good and find entertaining match and they were taking horse in the spirit. That was intended Chris. Paul dislike one luggage. Shot where you have to turn around while you do it from the three point line. I think it was a free throw actually but quickly was knocking shots down from like behind the backboard from lake the dirt around her cobblestones and I just appreciated the fact that obviously this is unjust like charity. Espn want something for people to watch. But the Janke nece and the home-made -ness of it I think was fun and cool and I don't really understand why you guys would be haters. I think we all need to come together. Nation to be a hater. I didn't watch enough to be a hater and I am glad to hear that. Allie Quigley Chris. Paul played horse the right way and Paul Pierce. Were not playing horse the right way. I actually appreciated how Zach Levine. Did Not play in the spirit of the game and just he was serious. Aww athletic stuff so he could Paul Pierce ears because he wanted to win. Like Responded amount of course. Are you really buying the Junky nece? Because every now and again I think they sort of you know you'd see. The camera is focused on them for your front facing camera. And then all of a sudden it'd be this panned view of them at the court somewhere. I Don I feel like there was a lot more production put into this thing been. They made it look bad on purpose. Yeah absolutely I love this conspiracy. Oh they're supposed to be socially distant second camera though Joel. The second camera was like someone's daughter. Nobody wants to put. Sometimes it wouldn't even be that like sometimes I felt like I could be wrong about. This is not like I'm saying that People get curves from five. G. Or something. I'm just saying it feels like it feels like there was some other production values going on here that we did. They tried to make us believe that. This is much more homemade endeavor than it actually was. This is some deep state stuff concerned to Mika catching. Some had her kid filming with an ipad up against the garage. But I think what Joel is suggesting that maybe to make a catching kid was actually. Espn cameraman had was like a fifty thousand dollar camera. I felt the same thing about Paul Pierce his daughter clearly. That was not just an iphone. Don't be surprised when the truth comes out. Okay that's all I'm saying but on the whole it wasn't a bad idea like I think that the NBA. Wmba tried to give us something and it worked but it just kind of felt like it felt like one of these things. Where there's you have a team meeting. Somebody throws out an idea. And they're like oh no now we've got to do it because they're just not now. We have to go ahead and do this thing because this competition is only as good as the charisma and the personalities of the people involved. It's just remember when to make a catching Mike Conley. We're going back and forth and it just reminded me of really bad I g live shows. Look that people don't have any chemistry and they don't know each other very well and you can't pick up on a person's body language facial expressions. It was very awkward. Stilted conversation throughout it wasn't like that for like Zach and Paul Pierce. Zach Levine. Really put a lot of his personality into it and you could just see that he was kind of a fun guy but every night again you'd be like Oh these people don't actually know each other and it's really awkward. It's like a podcast where the hosts have no chemistry. But also it's it's hard to have conversations on zoom because of the lag and so they say something and not be able to respond in time and so it was just Janki that way along with the production quality being bad because of this Jo- conspiracy because they wanted to be bad because ESPN obviously wants to broadcast bad images. We're not allowed. I mean we're not allowed to have all these other employees so they have to pretend anywhere. Maybe this is going to sound crazy. In retrospect already knows Josh wait. Who Advanced to the semifinals? And who do you like going forward? Is this really is a sporting event and we should have a sports tank here. Chauncey billups beat Trayvon despite the fact that trae on shooting on a hoop that was atmos- nine feet tall. And where the free throw line was maybe about ten feet away from them. Cianci's stolen and he was like making three pointers off the backboard with regularity. It was very impressive. And he had a nice court. Indoor quarter an outdoor outdoor outdoor. I think Mike Conley was the only one with an indoor court and as the ring are pointed out. It's nice to know what a one hundred fifty three million dollar contract will by you in terms of a Gem. I think they just play the rest of the NBA season. And Mike Conley's Home Jimi that. It's really. It's really nicely tricked. Is his house. Big enough to quarantine entire league though great question. So it's going to be Zach Levine versus Allie Quigley. And it's going to be fast. I'm going to be interested in that one. Because Will Zach Levine. Do his leg hit the ball off the backboard and make a layup on the other side. Which like maybe five hundred people in the whole world can do. I'm Paul Pierce Steph. Lay cannot do that. I would have my doubts that Allie Quigley can do it but well Zach kind of make make concessions and make them more of a shooting contest. Rally quickly could probably beat him. Given that she is the best one of the best shooters in the world. So that'll be interesting. Then the other side you've got Chauncey billups versus Mike Conley. And that's a good match to the thing about. Conley's that he's amber dextrous and he can shoot just he was also cheating. I love that these guys were shooting because he was saying she with your he was saying like shoot off Andrea weekend and clearly like his right hand is extremely strong and so just using that as advantage. Well I mean that's just a that's just a testament to his skill level. I mean I guess the thing is is that we had to take his word for what his offenders at this point the other thing that I want to see and then perhaps we can move on set. Ufc fight island or major league baseball. Whatever the HELL WE WANNA call that one thing. I'm interested in looking at and maybe some advice for Allie Quigley. She's married to her teammate. On the Chicago. Sky Courtney Vander Sloot. A married bat backward. Perhaps the only WANNA professional basketball. But she should incorporate courtney into the game and say have your significant other. Make a free throw left handed. I don't know if these other guys can compete with that Stephan. What are the rules? That's the question it's all about pushing boundaries. We need to be thinking outside the box in this new world. Speaking of which Stephan you wanted to do an entire special emergency podcast about major league. Baseball's insane plan to quarantine everyone Arizona. Your thoughts it's like one of the most insane things. I read go read Jeff. Passan's too I story for. Espn last week. Every sentence in that story was insane and every thought that baseball officials are having about how to pull this off and you can imagine like every league has to be doing this right now. They have to be coming up with contingency plans. It's like every business America's doing this right. Now how do we reopen colleges? What do we do about you know fast food restaurants? What do we do about Major League Baseball? So you have to come up with these bizarro plans to restart business and get the economy moving again. But this baseball thing was insane. The depth of a steps that would be required to literally create like a biosphere for players umpires coaches managers front office people media grounds crews et Cetera et Cetera et Cetera. Television just boggles the mind to think that these leagues are realistically thinking. Hey we can pull this off because we need to or they're thinking we need to do it for the good of the country is just bizarre to me when the obvious reality is grammy playing baseball in July or August and probably shouldn't be for everyone's wellbeing so Joel the plan would include all thirty teams playing with no fans and the Phoenix area. Everybody would be sequestered at local hotels and could only travel to and from the stadium. There would also be rule changes. Electric strikes on the plate author could main- maintain sufficient distance from the catcher seven inning doubleheaders players sitting empty stands six feet apart instead of in the Dugout This what what could go wrong right. I mean it sounds insane bizarre because we're living in a world that is insane and bazaar none of us have ever imagined anything like this and so the the solutions are going to be progressively crazy The more we think about if you're going to have baseball if you're going to have football basketball if you're going to do anything else if we're going to attempt to go in have live sporting events it's going to look and sound stupid when you when we say it out loud you know like just imagine saying this a year ago. Okay so we're going to do is we're going to play games without fans there and to the extent that we have anybody else players are not gonna be able to sit next to each other but the reason it sounds crazy. 'cause this is crazy and it also to me. It indicates that they are going to get this done. Like maybe not this particular plan but some iteration of it is going to come through. Because I don't believe that these people who are used to getting their way who used to the money never stopping just going to sit idly by and say. Oh we'll just wait so the country is opened all the way back. They're gonNA come up with something that is going to put these players health and lives in danger and we just have to be ready to deal with that. When it happens we call it out to say what what is going on and like no this is unacceptable or whatever but. I think that they're going. They're going to push this as hard as they can to make something like this happen. So two things number one Stephan. I think this is a useful exercise and seeing all written out because it does. I don't know if this was what the intent was but it kind of perversely demonstrates how difficult and stupid this says by actually just writing it all down everything that would you would be required to do but maybe numbered. This is point number two. This is like Martin Scorsese Turn Dan a cut of casino to them. Pa that had a head exploding. He knew that they were gonNA cut that part out and would be like all right. We'll cut this out and then you get your ratings. Well he never intended for the exploiting had to be in the movie. They fell for the trap. So maybe they're leaking these totally insane roles and then when they come up with something slightly less insane. We'll be like all right you know they're they're you know going to not put everyone in a dome and not allow them to you. Know see their families for an entire year. Seems more sensible. Yeah sure it's not seeing your families want exploding head but this is like one hundred exploding heads I mean. None of this seems feasible under any circumstance. Something dramatically changes in terms of vaccine in terms of contact tracing in terms of testing. And we're not there yet and I don't think we're going to be there in June or July. Either I have a prediction so Stephanie Epstein set in sports illustrated she she quoted a Guy Appear in epidemiology from emory who said we will not have sporting events with fans until we have a vaccine. I think that's incorrect. I predict and I think this is what you were saying. All I think that we will have sporting events with fans before we have a vaccine. Even if that's a bad idea I think I think it's going to happen. I think that's right. I don't think we can help ourselves. You know what I mean. I think the two sorts of people it play here people that cannot afford and not willing to wait for the money to start rolling in again and then you also have. There's a whole world of people out there that don't take this seriously at all the people that just believe. Oh people are overreacting. This is panic this. We're having deaths that that will be roughly approximate to a really bad flu season. But people out there that are saying that those are the sorts of people that are gonna be at the Lsu Auburn football game in December. And I think it's a good way to pivot to college football too because the pressure when you talk about the financial pressure and the willingness to put some people at risk in this scenario it's the players and it's the fans who really love this. Sport are probably as great in college football or greater than in any other sport. Because there've been a couple of good pieces looking at the the interconnected financial imperatives here the fact that college football generates so much money that it supports not just other sports at universities but other activities as well and you read these stories and they are very doomsday in their predictions and I come away with two things one is that this is kind of a for universities. Athletic departments that have spent every cent. That's come in to them because they don't want to be accused of profiteering. And don't WanNa be accused of having so much. Money could pay player so they've been building. These hundred million dollar athletic complexes and paying coaches contracts that are valued at nine figures to get around the fact that. Hey we don't have any money. We have all these other expenses. So now it has come home to roost in the weirdest way possible in the most unpredictable way possible and the pressure on universities to find a way at the big programs to find a way to restart. The sport are going to be immense. And who are the most vulnerable athletes in America? They are college football players and college basketball players players that have no unions and have no real recourse to push back against the demands of these institutions. But you make an important point which is that all these doomsday stories and to their credit S. I did mention this. They don't really reckon with the fact that a lot of the financial ramifications here and the accounting is kind of fake because these programs are spending so much of their revenue on building locker rooms. We've talked about that. A lot and universities are not just our athletic departments. We don't talk about how the sociology department needs to be revenue neutral like. I think there's an argument to be made that like the state of Florida should not be spending a lot of money bailing out like the UCF football program or something but these are unprecedented times. And if the question is should we be putting These athletes and students endanger or should we dislike absorb A loss in revenue for a little while It's just not real that if we don't have football that necessarily means that we can't have any women's sports or any other sports. That's not the way it works. That's the big lie here. I mean and even the good stories that I read in the last few days fall into this trap by saying that the Olympic sports the non revenue sports lose money for the university. They don't lose money their expenditures in the same way that dorms are expenditures and food is an expenditure and academic programs are expenditures and sports arenas school the framing is is completely off. And that's part of that's part of the problem. And sort of assessing the economic calculation of what when and what sports should return on what basis it would make more sense frankly to get rid of the one hundred million dollars in revenue from football and just support other sports because they are something that universities. WanNa spend money on yet. We and consider who the sources for most of these stories are. They're athletic administrators. People that work in TV people that have like an incentive to paint the the financial dynamics in that way right they would never say well you know instead of paying our athletic director five hundred thousand dollars a year. Maybe we should pay them. Two hundred thousand. We cut some down some of the athletic staff in some way. Maybe we don't need for five different. You know analysts on our football staff right which costs a lot of money. They wouldn't say that they'll say well. We got to figure out ways to keep the money rolling in so I. I think there's one one thing that I thought of in the middle of all of this. I was like if there was ever a time for college. Athletes to unite and assert their workers rights. This is it because you've seen that there are some coaches there are suggesting Dabo Swinney Mike. Gundy among them that they would be willing to put these guys health at risk and put them out there. I mean they. They wouldn't say it explicitly but they're hinting at it. And these athletes have an opportunity to say we have no incentive to do that Were were the only people that don't get paid into seclusion with only people whose health would really be at risk in this situation. We're not doing it and I would love to see something like that or at least people to start thinking about that in this direction because I mean these guys you know they. They have no incentive to get out there they have no reason to put their lives on the line and the people that are supposed to be looking out for them and their welfare in these guys are going to these players homes and tell the parents. I'm going to be looking out for your guy when I'm gonNA treat him like my son. They would not treat their son like this and so I would love to see these players rally around this together and say you know what Hell No. We're GONNA play until school is back in session. At least I mean that's the thing they're talking about having these guys play football before we even know we can go back to school which is gives up the whole game in the first place here. All right I wanted to let you know that in our bonus segment for slate plus members. Ethan Strauss who we are about to talk to. We're GONNA continue that conversation About his book the Victory Machine on the Warriors Dynasty and Kevin Durant Really interesting conversation. And we got more insight from Ethan about the team about staff and all sorts other stuff if you want to hear that discussion. And you're not a sleigh plus member sign up. It's just thirty five dollars for the first year at slate dot com slash hangup plus Ethan Strauss's first year on the warriors. Beat was the year Steve. Kerr Steph Curry Klay Thompson. Draymond green and crew Harrison. Barnes won their first championship. He's covered the team every year since I re- SPN. After the athletic his new book the victory machine the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty is about what the subtitle says. It's about There's a bit more emphasis on the UNMAKING. The central figure is Kevin Durant. Who came to the warriors in two thousand sixteen helped push them to two more titles than decamped for Brooklyn last year after getting hurt and Golden State's finals loss to Toronto of that injury in game? Five Ethan writes. This was the night of Kevin Durant's redemption and also the consummation of his Faustian bargain for years he'd wanted love and recognition from a Fan Base. That wanted to be the hero on June tenth. Twenty Nineteen Kevin. Durant was finally their hero. It just so happened to cost him his Achilles Tendon joining us now fully end then Sherwood stress congrats on the book. Thank you so much as a hell of a summary and I also agree. I think there's more focus on the unmaking because at least a literary perspective It seems that's what draws us when it comes to the NBA when it comes to the great teams. I mean you see a lot of excitement for this Jordan. Bulls documentary the last dance. David Halberstam's famous breaks of the game is about the Portland Trailblazers after they were successful. For whatever reason. I can throw in shacking Kobe as well That seems to what draws us when we look back it's the personalities white can't stay together Rather than the great basketball the rise perhaps because that's an easy to consume product in writing about. It's like dancing about architecture. Whatever metaphor. I'M GONNA start way up in the clouds kind of already there. I'm there I can join you there and reading the book it struck me that it's not about who what when where or even how not even how you've been it's about why and it's not about answering why it's about asking why and not knowing the answer in life. I think that's our most common state is asking and not knowing and one of the big wise with the warriors is about proper distribution of credit. Did they win? Because of Joe Lak- taking over from an owner. Who never won anything. Did they win because of staff did they win? Because Steve Kerr brought something new to the team and later did they win because if durant or could they have one without him. These are all questions. You kind of ponder in the book so why is it worth asking these questions? If it's impossible to know dancers. I mean that's very existential. I think I mean that's that's almost talmudic. Thank you as far as what is the? What is the point to when it comes to struggling with these answers and we don't know them to me? I just like to think about things and be as honest as I can. I think it would be a much easier book to package if it was like some of these sports books of a certain category and I'm not trying to slight them or insult them but they have a perspective where this is why success happened. This is the blueprint for success. Take this to your board meeting. This is what you can apply at your company We've seen genre that. Obviously moneyball is a great book beyond all of that. But that's a lot of the appeal. It's this Oh man I can find market inefficiencies. That's why billy being one. He found a market inefficiency and he found players. Other people didn't have it turns out. The truth is a lot more complicated there. And the reasons the as one Don't just redound to that. But it's a better story to package of you have one answer. Unfortunately when I looked into the question of how the hell this all happened. I didn't have one answer. There was a lot of luck involved. There was steph curry on this incredibly cheap contract when to MVP's and wild Joe Lak- taking over the ownership from Cohen made a tremendous amount of difference. Even there. It was a little abstract as to what the difference is. And what it means. And so Yeah I I wish that there were easy answers. I just didn't find easy. Answers looked into it. I thought it was interesting that you chose not to and I think this buttress as what you're saying you chose not to structure. This is sort of conventional sportsbook. It's not a chronological narrative. Written in some distant third person about how this great team came together and how it fell apart. It's much more organic in in the writing. It's much more essays in the writing and to the point of Dumb Luck. I mean what I what I love about the way you do. This is that you don't shy away. From these details. The fact that the new warriors ownership attempted to trade steph curry and Klay Thompson for Chris. Paul in twenty eleven the fact that the draymond green was selected in the second round after they had taken to other players before him. The fact. That Steve. Kerr wasn't necessarily the first choice to become the head coach of this team. I mean a lot of it is total dumb luck and the more we understand that total dumb lock with some you know residue of design to of quote branch rickey behind it is what makes teams successful or not is. What really is a play here? Yeah and it seems like the arrogance of Light Years Joe Lak- with his chest puffed out. It is so strong that if you brought these details to them into him their attitude would be. Yeah well we would have. We would have been great even despite this road fork were. We took the right path instead of the disastrous path. Yeah you know. We'd Gotten Chris Paul in that tray. We would have built a contender in a Titan with Chris Paul at the helm of it. I do think that's the perspective of it all. And maybe it's important to have some of that organizational arrogance but it is amazing when you look back on it. How much they're just wasn't there wasn't a plan in the way that you would think there was a plan and a lot of it was happenstance and a lot of it was dumb luck and I think we don't like that as human beings we we. We like to ascribe some sort of plan to the whole thing Injuries are like that too and teams have a bunch of injuries often. That happens because they're not doing a good job as far as training as far as knowing when to rest guys. But we don't look at that as probabilistic. We say that it's a freak injury. It's freak. It's out of nowhere who could have predicted it. We like to ascribe We often ascribed to lock the bad things. And some of the good things we ascribe to skill or two vision at some version of the successes. Many fathers failure is an orphan. I suppose so. The most common way that we connect players personalities to their on court personas is with the simple narrative of obsessive. Nass leads to greatness or with Michael Jordan obsessive slash psychosis leads to greatness and you saw that with Kobe Bryant as well with Kevin Durant the kind of obsessive nece they you document and has been documented amply by others over the last few years. It's a different kind of obsessive nece in one. That doesn't really seem to have a clear connection to why he's great as a player. Do you think that's fair? Not necessarily I think that obsessive nece does have a connection. I think the insecurity that we see permeate much of his public life has something to do with why he worked so hard to get where he got. And that's not the complete explanation but There elements to his biography. How peripatetic. It was and how this a source of comfort this grounds him in a way. It's a place where he has a lot of control the basketball court so I do think that there is something to his personality. That's that that has something to do with the greatness but it also seems like we don't like seeing all of it that we like an idea superficially of a story of obsession and how it connects with greatness will laugh at Michael Jordan having cheated at cards cheating and Old Lady at cards. And that's part of I e so competitive all my God Mike but when we actually get a full dose of the Michael Jordan Esa Michael Jordan. Let's say at the Basketball Hall of fame speech he gave we we we pull back we go. That's a little bit. Who is a little bit too close? We didn't want to see all of that. And it seems like Kevin Durant is very much that guy for this era. We're where we have so much access to athletes and what they're thinking that we see some of why he's great personality wise but it also makes a lot of people recoil or want to withhold the praise because the insecurity is so palpable. Even obviously Kevin Durant is a central character here and your relationship with him some a piece of this book in the conversation here. Can you talk a little bit about when it became apparent? Because there's a there's a guy that says durant is a different dude. All superstars a fucking crazy but like durant is a different dude. Like when was that most apparent to you in like your relationship with you. And you're like Oh this guy's not like dealing with all the other NBA stars. I've dealt man well. I heard. Obviously that is different dude going into it even talked to him a little bit about being different Dude But. I think it's just how he okay. I think one moment was. He was complaining about He was complaining about what some random twitter person was saying at him and I didn't know the random twitter person was initially made it sound like it was somebody with some clout or some following. But it turned out to be. I don't know thunder fans six one nine two right. It was just some random and Kris Haines reporter at Yahoo says the Katie. Were on the locker room. Man You're sensitive and and Aramco's yeah I am sensitive. What's wrong with that and it was just something. You typically hear the locker room. It was a very different thing to say and we didn't have anything to say back to them. In a way it's very that aspect is very healthy that he knows that he has a certain emotional range and isn't ashamed of it but it's not something you commonly see in the NBA and it's say the stuff better stuff really got under his skin right. Yes this stuff better stuff for people that don't know there is a contingent of warriors fans Andy and say that have talked about it started off you know sort of mocking Lebron fans. Maybe but then it seemed like it was weaponized in some ways but some other people that were not andy and Sam that stuff was more central to the warriors success than Katie. Is that a fair. Yeah rendering it. Yes so yeah. So that really got under his skin correct. Yeah or he would just complain to media that we were trying to rile up steps fans in opposition to him and he was acutely aware of one guy's reputation versus the other guys reputation. And in a way that I don't think Steph was and it bothered him but you always wonder you know we can blame Andy lieu of salesforce major twitter fan on major warriors twitter fan for Katie's exit but Y- you always wonder if you just would have been something right. It would have been that or would have been something else. The bottom line is he was feeling a deep own. We that whatever praise was coming his way. It seemed like the void was unfilmable and we almost might be asking the wrong questions. If we are blaming Andy Liu for Or myself maybe. I don't know for for Kevin's exit. I think the the reasons were a little bit deeper than that. And maybe more particular to the era that we're living in that was articulated really well when you describe how Adam Silver the commissioner of the NBA. At the MIT Sloan Conference last year talked about how it struck him that so many players are truly unhappy and appear so isolated to him and he might as well have been talking about Kevin Durant. I'm you write very clearly about durant's insecurities his sensitivity. You're right at one point. He wanted to be feted and was highly sensitive to the praise or criticism. His teammates received he would knock down teammates publicly and players. Sort of figured. Durant out right that you needed to stroke his ego and apologize to him and when you got into this very public fight with him I guess him fighting with you over something that you wrote. You were pulled aside into the into the players lounge which is no go territory for reporters typically and Andrea Goodall on a couple of other people. Wanted you to go apologize. Because that's what worked for them because because they needed Katie to be great on the basketball court. And you didn't apologize. Obviously because you didn't need him to not be an asshole to you. That was just part of your job. Yeah I think Andrei paraphrasing from my own book sets something to the effect of you know. Hey you're married I'm married sometimes. You just gotta apologize or some Shit that we didn't even do. It's the way of the world you gotta go. You GotTa do that but I think it was also a fundamental misunderstanding from the perspective of players players. You know they grow up. And they're often the star of their uteem. What have you? They're always in demand. People always need them. They have to become cynical. A very young age and know who the frauds are trying to manipulate them and extract value from them so they have this perspective of you need us. You need us and Kevin Durant's one of the greatest basketball players ever so obviously you need him and it doesn't work like that not for everybody you know. Kevin was somebody where it was nice to have a good rapport with him. I enjoyed having it when I had it. He always had very interesting things to say about the league record but it wasn't a situation. I fell where I needed to placate him and get back in his good graces or whatever it is I do was ended. It just didn't seem that way but from the player perspective. Obviously it's that way. And that's why I had Andrei and demarcus cousins saying that I had to. I had to make peace one of the most interesting aspects of all. This is the awkward competitiveness between players especially superstars for the ardor of Madison Avenue. Or for the respect of fans and you write about how one of the big effects when durant go to Golden State. Is that staff. Isn't the loan superstar and that hurts under armor because Steph. Isn't you know scoring as much? He's not the finals. Mvp and then you have durant As a Nike Athlete. But he'll never be Lebron for Nike or for fans no matter what he does. How much do you think for Durant? All of that stuff was weighing on him versus anything that had to do with on court. Just this idea of trying to be marketable trying to beat loved as somebody who was not just a basketball player. I mean I think it's huge and if you're competitive as these guys are and you have the kind of career where you're right there. I mean if you remember Kevin Durant was saying years ago. I'm tired of being second. That gap between first and second is massive massive. You're either the face of the League or you aren't obviously there's a strata of maybe five guys who remarkable and are famous and could conceivably be household names. But if you're the face of the league it means you're probably the face of Nike which means you're probably one of the. I don't know three most famous. Sports athletes that's redundant but the three most famous athletes in the world and and interrupt for a second as you rate durant destroyed. Lebron in that first finals was clearly better and then after that he still wasn't more popular than Lebron. He's still wasn't the most popular player in his team. He's still wasn't the number one guy at Nike and that must've devastating the right word. But it's like you gotta feel someway about that. It's some it's understandable. I you can see it from his perspective because yeah he's doing the Lebron playbook okay. Lebron gets his super team together. Everybody's angry at him down to Miami. We'd never seen a team like that with Wade and Bosch and Lebron but then they win the championship at Kevin Durant expense in a finals or Kevin. Durant plays brilliantly and nobody cares. Kevin Durant played brilliantly in that finals. They lost five in five games to Lebron and the heat and all hail the King Lebron the best player. He's redeemed himself. That was the arc Kevin Durant witnessed and so I think he figured okay. Well I get my super team together. We win the championship in dominant fashion. I wouldn't finals. Mvp obviously now. I'm the top guy and Lebron isn't and it just didn't work that way. The rules didn't work that way. I think we understand why. I think that there is a slight difference between joining a team. That's won seventy three games and you know just putting together your own super team but those differences seemed you know relatively minor probably to him and it didn't make a lot of sense and frankly. I think the reason for why we reacted that way has something to do with how badly we know he needs it. I think that's part of this whole this whole thing where we're just less likely to confer a praise on somebody who seems so deeply in need of it. I have a kind of a question here. It's an to talk about basketball second because I heard on your your podcast Ethan. That Maoz browns said something along the lines that the warriors are under appreciated dynasty along the lines of the bad boy pistons. And you didn't really follow. I didn't hear you follow up on it and I just kind of curious to know if you agreed with that because it seems like there was I don't know that the warriors one but it just like they never got full credit for that run throughout the League. Yeah I probably left that one linger from miles. Because it's an interesting idea. Just because I don't know if I would compare the two. They just have such different identities. Where the bad boy Pistons? They had this identity and this cultural resonance but they weren't thought of as dominant in that. Way are hyper talented. So it felt a little apples to oranges. And there's also this aspect of I don't know what history will regard the warriors as we're still a little close to it and maybe in the future will go. Oh my God. That 2017 team was the greatest team of all time. Right it just seems in the immediate aftermath. Were Not as appreciative. And that have more to do with the era that we're in than anything else and I keep hammering home the Zeitgeist in the technology but it does seem as though we are in an era currently where we would rather laugh and jeer at somebody for screwing up than we would want to praise and hold up somebody for greatness. We WanNA watch the guy slipping fall. I mean you look at what was the trope out of the two thousand sixteen finals from one perspective the cavs and Lebron make this incredible comeback from down three one and Kyrie irving hits. Maybe the biggest shot of all time and they win a championship for Cleveland for the first time in four decades. And what are we talking about? In the aftermath of that it's at the warriors blew a three one lead three one three one. Let's make fun of the warriors that seems to be the era that we're in. I don't know we're more cynical. I don't know we just have too much capacity to communicate with each other on twitter. Or what have you but it just seems as though we celebrated success a little more innocently in the not too distant past as opposed to right now. The book is the Victory Machine. Making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. Truly interesting smart few like Ethan stress. You like the book. If you don like Ethan Strauss you also might like as possible grads Ethan. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me in. Nineteen sixty five bill. Russell did an as told to confessional with sports illustrated titled the Psych and my other tricks. It starts with Russell saying he isn't going to look up. The definition of psychology in the dictionary. I mean dictionaries are nice and all that but did old Daniel Webster ever have to stand there at the top of the key. Define five sweating monsters rushing down at him. I nearly stopped reading there. Because Noah Webster is the dictionary guy. Daniel Webster was the congressman and secretary of state under presidents Harrison Tyler and fillmore and they were not related. But I persevered and I'm glad to have done so in glad that we've made this the first selection in the hang up and Listen Quarantine Magazine Club. It was suggested to us on twitter by former SL writer. Chris Ballard who was let go in the recent purges by the vultures who now own the magazine. Chris told me he read it a few years ago. While combing through the sports illustrated archives the candor the confidence slash shit talking the depth of psychological ploys. Chris Ed I knew about Russell but I didn't know this side of him and found it fascinating. It's like a mix of Tim. Duncan savvy and Kevin Garnett crazy. Chris said he had wanted to recreate the peace with Draymond Green. But alas that never happened Josh. We should probably start with some context when this was published at the start of the nineteen sixty five sixty six season. Russell is thirty one years old. He's entering his tenth year. In the League. The Celtics have won seven straight titles. He's so good and so established and so confident that he must have thought fuck it. I can tell the league my secrets and it won't matter anyway. There's nothing they can do to stop me. This is interesting to read in the context of Ethan Stresses Book Because the Warriors Are Dynasty fell apart the Celtics Dynasty. That stayed together. It was a very very eight times very different league. Fewer teams on the Celtics. Outta huge amount of star power and cohesiveness. Were not issues to deal with. As far as you know salaries and salary cap ramifications. It was easier to have a dynasty then but it was not easy to have a dynasty and a thing that you mentioned. Stephan is a thing that stood out to me is that Russell called out his contemporaries and his rivals by name. He spoke about specific strategies. He employed against Nate Thurman. You know Google okay. Fireman was still playing at this time when Russell was talking about the ways that the Celtics defended him that to me was striking jol and I don't know if that was particular to Russell or if it was more a commentary on the League at the time because these are tidbits that you're only going to get you know in a book like Ethan's written when something is is over or years later. Yeah I think for the most part that Bill Russell would he told us was generally a lot of nonsense in terms of actually psyching out players because so if Bill Russell is going up to a guy who's not even getting the ball house at psyching him out and if Wilt Chamberlain ignores it and says that's not GonNa work on me. Oh man it just goes to work. How effective is it? We're hearing Bill Russell. Basically tell tell people is not him psyching out people? He's telling people how great he is. He's as I can make people do things that they don't want to do. Of course you can your Bill Russell. Do you need to psych out Johnny Kerr Generic NBA Ford in the sixties? I mean the thing that I thought about because I generally this sort of stuff. I'm psyching up. Players doing mental tricks on people trying to get in their head like usually a great player. Say That and they're doing it in that overlooking the fact that they're great and they're able to impose their will on games no matter what they say or no matter what they would ever sort of mental games that they're playing but this is what I thought about in the context of this era like when it was even law that in places black people were not regarded as equals. Russell is asserting that he had some sort of mental advantage over his opponent like a much wider NBA then than it is today so I get why he was doing. He was saying you know what? I'm not just an athletic beast. Do that uses my mind when I'M OUT THERE. And so in that context it makes more sense. It also is fascinating in the context of fans aren't really aware of trash. Talking in one thousand nine hundred sixty five and Russell is giving what for the time had to be some really remarkable and candidate insight in to the way athletes played and what they went through nine hundred sixty five George Plumpton done a few inside books where he tried to become a player on some teams to get inside locker rooms and expose what the game was really like but the notion of this sort of confessional by a superstar that includes things like really denigrating your opposition to be pretty striking at the time. I mean the only players in this piece that Russell Praises Are Wilt Chamberlain Oscar Robertson and Elgin. Baylor three of the greatest players in the history of basketball. Everyone else to him was a nobody. And it does vary directly. Go back to what you just said. Joel there's a profile written of Russell in sports illustrated in one thousand nine hundred eighty three two years earlier by Gilbert. Rogin that I'm going to talk about in my after ball and that really lays the foundation for Russell asserting his power as a black man in American sports in the early one thousand nine hundred sixty s that he is and we'll take no bullshit from anybody a really important piece of context here is about the journalistic world that this was operating in and I think we need to note since we're talking about an old school. Sports illustrated piece that Maven the company. That's running sports illustrated now has destroyed a great journalistic institution and they deserve to be shamed and called out and what they're doing is awful. You mentioned Chris Ballard Grant Wall also getting like we could go on and on and maybe we will in the future segment about what's going on it. S I but the context here in the mid sixties as this was a time when magazine Writers A Guy from sports illustrated Bob Autumn. Did this as told to like it was a big deal to get written about by sports illustrated and to be on the cover of sports illustrated. The power dynamic is totally different. Like if this existed now it would be on the Players Tribune. Russell was at the top of the game he had led the Celtics to all these titles in a row and it wasn't just that he was doing this because he was in a particular place in his career and Joel's really great point about what is meant for him to be doing this. Those factors but it was also you know. He was on the cover of sports illustrated. It was like the NBA preview issue like autumn. Had done a similar thing with welts like a few months earlier like S. I could get the players of that day. The greatest players of that day to reveal this stuff because they wanted to be in sports illustrated and S. I also realize jol that what was happening with black athletes was important and should be written about from the perspective of a black athlete like Bill Russell. Even in this piece it's sort of hinted at in the as told to Russell tells this anecdote about his high school coach telling his all black team to not get baited into fighting. If you get mad and start a fight it isn't just a fight. It's a riot and you'll be the ones who are blamed. Russell also has the freedom to attack. John Wooden not by name but he goes after John. Wooden is in the mid nineteen sixties when Ucla was basically not losing basketball games and that is a fantastic anecdote that he you know. Russell just basically unmasks wooden and the sort of old culture of authoritarian leadership. He tells the story about how they're at this holiday tournament Madison Square Garden in one thousand nine hundred fifty five and UCLA team walks into the cafeteria and underwood's rules. They're not allowed to talk during a meal. And Russell San Francisco team walks in. And they're having a great time and they're talking like it's a big birthday party Russell rights then. Russell says the game. That followed wasn't much. The meal was one of America's great moments in sports asserting that power over this icon of a game was really a tremendous thing. I thought in I think history sort of flattened these three dimensional people over time into a caricature. Because now you look at Bill Russell. He's The statesman of the game. Very you know quiet humble champion from another era and if you look back at not only what he was saying but there's an editor's note in later issue of sports illustrated about this where the writer talks about. I had no idea if I was going to be able to get Bill Russell. Because maybe he's worked. He's working at one of his restaurants. Maybe he's tending to his house. He talks about him in the way that you would think of an NBA superstar which is something that would not have occurred to me in nineteen sixty five. That Bill Russell was very famous person. Who would not necessarily you know there was other things going on. Besides him just being champion that he that he was considered sort of out of the norm. That there wasn't this you know John. Wooden desk approach to the game. The bill Russell had his own approach. That was a little bit different and we. We wouldn't know that today you know. That's not something that we have to read a story like this to know that about him and I just I even like hearing bill. Russell say cat you know what I mean like. Oh I didn't know bill. Russell talked like that they had bill. Russell said cat I wanted to get back to what you said. Joel about a lot of the specifics and hear about how he cites out players. Maybe being in the realm of Meth or self mythology is saying There's one particular moment in here that I thought was just a really great anecdote. He says the year before I came into the NBA. Neil Johnston was third in the League in scoring and I was worried about him from the start. I wasn't worried about his shooting. Neal had a low trajectory soft little hook and I figured I could block nine out of ten of them for this created. A new problem for me if I did block them Neil would surely change his style against me and come up with something. I probably couldn't handle as easily so I took these psychological route. I would let him alone just enough to keep him puzzled block just an APP. So that he wouldn't get riled and try something new. I would keep a little mental box score and make sure the score came out in our favor or try anyway. That's a great story. John Curious if you think that it's true but what it reminded me of. I asked Ben Lindbergh about this. Is this idea of baseball player. Setting up pitchers and something that Roberto Clemente and Willie mays dead told me are reputed to do an idea as you look really bad on a pitch on purpose to get the pitcher to like groove breaking ball like you just you cite the guy out or D.C. By pretending that you're worse at a skill than you really are and Ben was saying I don't know if this is true or if it actually makes sense but it's something that's talked about and so I'm curious again. Do you think that this is true? What Russell is talking about with Neil Johnston and also just as fans I think we just like it makes. These athletes seem even more extraordinary than we know that they are. Yeah I mean I guess. It's plausible but then you have to think about. Neil Johnston as a person who was good enough to be the third leading score in the NBA. That maybe he didn't approach the game that maybe that maybe. He thought that he was doing something against Bill. Russell might work and but Bill Russell was just so much better than him that it didn't make a difference. You know what I mean. I remember watching vividly a video of Ed Reed saying that he played this one particular route all year long against this one particular route one way so that when. Peyton manning looked at it on tape he would think ed replayed it like this and in the one game that he played against pavement and he played this route differently gets interception and I was like Yeah Man. A great player probably can do something like that because they're great. I don't know if it's merely that they've set setting people up through faking them. Out Is is more just a testament to the greatness over all they can make plays the. You wouldn't think that they would be able to make because the great not because their second got another great player but I don't know I don't doubt the Bill Russell did it. I don't know that it happened in quite the way that he says it. Does that? Make sense of all the anecdotes in this piece. That felt really plausible to me. The Russell was so much better. And we really can't can't state enough. How much better Russell was than everybody? Almost everybody in the League at that time he was a dental player. Defensively I mean he never averaged more than eighteen or nineteen points a game and they didn't record blocks as a statistic yet it would be another decade or so before blocks were mid seventies. Maybe Russell told stack keepers not to record blocks just so neil. Johnston wouldn't shots. He was blocking but with a player like Russell. They do have the ability to decide when and where to do certain things where another player would block the shot. Oh my God. Russell could pick and choose and the paragraph before the Johnston Paragraph Josh. He says he's got his own little game called block that shot. I can block only from eight to ten percent of the shots taken against me. Even if I'm lucky the secret is knowing which eight or ten percent. I'm going to go after to have that. I think just emphasized how Russell's ability was so great that while all this chaos was happening on the cord around him. He was the athlete with such supreme self-confidence to understand his attic abilities to the point that he make these decisions on what to do and what not to do in order to help his performance down the road and help the team's performance. So one thing that we know that Russell wasn't being honest about is saying that he didn't want to be a coach which he says very clearly and directly. What do I have to gain from being a coach? I've got everything to lose. He became the player coach of the Celtics in sixty six the next year after this was read the Celtics Dynasty got broken. They lost that year to the sixers and the Eastern Conference finals but then they won two more championships with Russell as player coach and then he retired Jal. It's obviously hugely important that this is part of Russell story that he became the coach and that he was able. I think you can see from this piece that he has a lot to teach his fellow players and his teammates and it's completely unsurprising that he was able to be successful as a coach. We psyched us out. He said he didn't want to be. A coach. Ended up becoming a coach. So yeah I mean absolutely he had. That's the thing is that he obviously. He was in possession of a great basketball mind and that he could do things on the court or think things ahead ahead of his peers. And you know maybe. Maybe he didn't get enough credit for that but I would say that it is sort of the template for the Boston Athletes. That came after this idea that they have like this mental ability to play chess pieces and ahead ahead of the game. I don't like I didn't know that that started with Bill Russell but the obnoxiousness of the Great Boston Sports Athlete Comes through in here? He's like well. I can just move these chess pizzas around. I can make people do. What did he said something in the piece that he like? Make somebody do something that they don't want to. Oh No shit. Okay well I would love to. I would have loved to have done that in sports. But it's just not that simple Stephan. We should have folks emails at HANG UP AT SLATE DOT com if they have thoughts themselves after reading the peace and also. We're not going to give another assignment just yet because we don't have one but just split like year from folks with. They enjoyed this if they'd like us to do other magazine reading segments on the quarantine. But I think this is great. I really enjoyed looking back on this reading about Russell specifically about also just like kind of being transported to another time and place gus. He said no pussycats. Police in their language does marinating in the language pieces titled the Psych and my other tricks. It was written by Bill Russell as told to Bob Autumn of sports illustrated in one thousand nine. Sixty five post a link on the show page. If you have other suggestions for magazine stories that we might WanNa read. We're collecting them. You can email us at hang up at SLATE DOT COM or find. Joshua's twitter thread with other suggestions. Now it is time for after balls and the as told to with bill. Russell was done by Bob Atom and I think we should make more of a point of the fact that this was a piece that was written and constructed by a sports writer that you know. This was as pieces on the players. Tribune are even though they're different Those are written by someone as as well. Autumn was a very good. And well respected sportswriter. A major reason. Why the story is reads as well as as good as it is because of the style that it's written in the way that the narrative is laid out in autumn deserves obviously credit for that. He died of cancer at age. Sixty one in nineteen eighty six. In addition to being a sports writer. He wrote science fiction books. He wrote a novel called. All right. Everybody off the planet which was about aliens sending a spy earth. He wrote a book that was adapted into the comedy. Stroke or ace starring. Burt Reynolds anybody. Who writes a book that gets adapted into a Burt Reynolds? Moving obviously doing something right. Stephan what is your bottom in our conversation about the psych. I mentioned the nineteen sixty three sports illustrated profile of Russell. And it's a classic in its own right to it was titled. We are grown men. Playing a child's game it is an artful portrait of Russell as a black athlete with bigger things on his mind than another rang namely his role in America. Here's the lead Bill Russell. The Dark Ganley and responsible man who is center and Co captain of the Boston Celtics the perennial champions of the national. Basketball Association is without question. One of the most remarkable athletes of our time yet. He regards his life up to now as a waste. I don't consider anything I have done. He has said as contributing to society. I consider playing professional basketball as marking time. The most shallow thing in the world. The writer of this piece was Gilbert. Rogin was thirty three and had just had his first piece of short fiction published in the New Yorker which he would do on the side for years while also rising to become managing editor of SL. The Russell profile was mentioned in Rogan's obituary in the New York Times in two thousand seventeen and it does feel exceptional for its time. The date on the magazine is November. Eighteen thousand nine hundred sixty three four days before JFK was assassinated. But more to the point it was less than three months after. Mlk As I have a dream speech at the march on Washington for jobs and freedom and six months after bull. Connor turned firehoses on nonviolent marchers in Birmingham Alabama. Rogan story is a hallmark of the wide angled sportswriting intellect and progressivism for which sports illustrated came to be known in the nineteen sixties. Being black with still the most identifiable detail about Russell. Dark gamely and responsible in that order but rogin accepts with respect and without judgment Russell as a thoughtful iconoclast after the lead Rogan notes. That Russell is not sullying basketball in any meaningful sense but rather that the imposition of being a negro at this moment in history is an obligation that cannot be met on the floor of the Boston Garden wherein how he can fulfill it. Russell does not yet know. Rogan describes Russell as at intervals angry dissatisfied and Aloof Man of uncommon principle and is no less remarkable as a person than he is as an athlete the quotes from Russell are expansive and what emerges. I don't know if it was for the first time is Russell than twenty-nine nine as a man. Who would suffer fools angry for damn good reason? Rogin gives Russell the space to be himself. It is not easy for a white man to understand her totally accept the vision of a black man. Skin is the hardest boundary rogin. Writes the point. Is this Bill Russell or any other black man like him does not want the white man sympathy or indeed his friendship what he wants his recognition and acceptance of himself as an individual black individual. Who can meet the world on equal terms and fair unequally? According to his merit one right we never had in this country. Russell says in the piece we never had the right to be a failure or an individual. Why if one black man failed. Should all black men fail? That's what the struggle is about whether it's through love as with Martin Luther King where through pride as with the N. W. C. P. Or through hate as with Malcolm X. and Elijah Muhammad Russell and this is nine hundred and sixty three remember had no fox to give. I would've loved to go to Birmingham. He says in the piece. But I'm not passive. Sometimes I think I have tendencies violence. I've been mad enough to fight three times in my life and each time. I wanted to kill the man you know the athletes I admire Ted Williams Jackie Robinson and Sonny Liston. Those are honest people in the sense of representing themselves. Some Negro athletes. Don't show me much. I'm disappointed in them. They are politicians in the sense of saying the right things all the time. It's interesting that Russell doesn't name just black athletes. He names ones who tolerated no bullshit. But like Robinson and Mohammed Ali Russell understood that he was obligated to be clear about race. He wouldn't have the ability to say as much as he did if he weren't as good as he was. But he said more than a lot of stars who followed him in comparatively more accepting times. There's a paragraph in the story that I really loved Rogan Asks Russell about his scraggly beard which was actually goatee and how it was a telling indication of the man because few professional athletes had facial hair. Russell says that maybe it's just my own little revolution. He talks about how he shaved it off when he joined the Celtics to conform but because he chose to if I had valued their opinion I would have asked them. He says of the team. I wear it now to let people know I am an individual. I do think for myself and I'm very opinionated. Contrary to popular belief on the living thinking breathing human being. It's interesting because a decade later Ito. Kareem abdul-jabbar Lew Alcindor turned Kareem. Abdul-jabbar comes out later and he always sort of taken up the mantle of the activists basketball player and I just wonder I never. I don't know if anybody's ever asked him about this or he's ever discussed it. About how much of a role. Bill Russell played and formulating sort of his. You know his public persona and how he handled issues of racism and being a black man in a professional athlete in that America Man. That would have been great. I I don't even think I've ever seen them talk like in the same screen same space. That piece brought all that up. It'd be Kareem abdul-jabbar. For whatever reason those great it also made me realize that it was really Jim Brown and cream a little later. Who got a lot of the credit for being these outspoken athletes at the front of the Civil Rights Movement at the front of politics in the mid to late sixty s and Russell here in nine hundred sixty three saying all? This stuff is fascinating to me. Absolutely this makes me want to read this bill. Russell have biography an autobiography because there is. I want to read it now Josh. What's Your Bob? Autumn so at a slate virtual happy hour a little while ago our colleague. Dan Quayle introduced a game to all of us. Which has that you get a celebrity based on ten clues the clues start out hard and they get easier. There's no googling obviously and you only get one gas if you guess wrong you Liz. It's a fun game To do if you're on one of these many interminable Zoom meetings have all been thrust into our lives. Now I mean it's fun to do with a lot of people but we're going to do it on a podcast and see how it goes To give credit here. Dan told me that he got The idea for this from a guy named Bill McMenamin who does a Trivia fundraiser. The Dan goes to a Catholic church in DC ands go. Mcmanamon is also doing free online trivia through the pandemic on facebook live. So if you want to check that out it's called. Mcm Entertainments Family Trivia night will link to it in our show notes. And so here's what we're GONNA DO JAWLINE staff N. When you know the answer on slack just send me a direct message. Don't put it in our shared channel. Because we don't want. Stephanou no Joel answer and vice versa. But just as soon as you know it and you want to lock in your answer to send me a direct message And for all the folks out there email me first name dot last name at slate dot com. You Know My name while your answers are and win. You figured out what the answers were on. What what clue you got it fun and all sends a couple folks who send in that. Email a paperback copy of the Queen autographed. So don't email in your answers if you don't WANNA book I don't WanNa hear from you. I want something else because I have a both a hard copy in paperback version of your book. So I'm GonNa need something else happened. We'LL TALK. We'll talk offline Joel. Send me an email with your with your answers and we'll do something all right. Joel Stephan you guys ready clue number one and I'm going to do to the clue number one he was born in Newark. New Jersey clue number two. He is on the board of directors of Papa. John's number three in real life. He earned a doctorate from Barry University in his first major film role he played a character who got a five twenty on the sat's after spelling his own name incorrectly. We have a correct answer from Dole Anderson number four in the video game featuring likeness has character goes to another dimension to rescue a boy from an evil mummy. The magazine Intendo power ranked at the third worst game of all time clue number five. He wants help out his rap grip by reciting a classic bugs. Bunny line the song that featured that sample made the top forty we have a an incorrect answer locked in from staff and fats us so Stephan. Liz I'm going to give you the rest of the class and we can't reveal the correct answer because we want people out an audience to know it all you all. It might help you to know the jaw garden and Stephan Dina number six. He told Larry David that his favourite seinfeld episode is the contest number seven when his future college coach Madam for the first time that coach asked what rancor you soldier? He responded no rank. I'm thirteen years. Old Number eight the year he was born nineteen seventy-two his first name appeared in zero stories and major newspapers. Thanks to his popularity in the early nineties. That name would become one of the two hundred most popular for American boys number nine. He dunked so hard that he broke the entire backboard apparatus and two separate NBA Games in the same season. Stephan got by this point a number ten the last clip in his speech at Kobe. Bryant's memorial. He said even when folks thought we were on bad terms when the cameras were turned off he and I would throw wink at each other and say let's go. Whoops amass all right. That's your first CELEB- Stephan. It's a brand new ballgame here we're going to do a second one. I'm coming back time for a comeback. All right you guys ready number one. A sports columnist once described him as a source of perpetual wonderment. Much like a force of nature so extraordinary we stand in awe even as we say. There's no way that could happen. He then compared this person to to other inexplicable phenomena a rainbow and Dolly Parton a rainbow and Dahlie number two Martina Navratilova played a major role in the most important moment of this person sports career number three in College. He ran a four. Three forty yard dash four three forty yard dash number four the faster than Joel. It is this four nine. This is not Joel Anderson That's that's the one that's number four in Ebony magazine profile. He said that he listened to rap music before games because it gets the adrenaline flowing. But that he actually preferred Mellow Music Jazz Grover Washington's and Ronnie losses and I listened to Peabo Bryson a lot. Peabo Bryson. I forgot to just selectively. Repeat random stuff from my first round of Quiz Peabo. Bryson all right number five. He got his nickname because he was a balled baby. Bald CL- number six. We have no guesses and from either Joel or Stephan. Clint number six. The first national newspaper story written about him said he'd grown five inches since last basketball season. And it's made him into a star clue number seven. Shevardnadze career high sixteen points per game in the one thousand nine hundred one thousand nine hundred NBA season with the Sacramento. Kings clue number eight. Still no guesses his sophomore year in college. We have an incorrect gas from Stephan over to for from Stephan today Number eight one three his sophomore year in college he had approximately forty dunks and two goldens. His coach said I've already told one of the globetrotters about him. Clue number nine. Stephan got after getting wrong first time so this doesn't can underestimate that. I guess unofficial. I'm regretting that. I guess clue number nine since he played in the NBA. 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The Athletic's Marcus Thompson on the NBA Finals and Kevin Durant

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The Athletic's Marcus Thompson on the NBA Finals and Kevin Durant

"Forty eight hour back senior NBA writer for Bleacher report, my today's Marcus Thompson from the athletic making his return good about a year. We got him after the finals last year getting them this time between games two and three. We've just finished up media day or the practices media abilities on the off day. Betweens games two and three updates on Klay Thompson. Kevin durant. No, Kevin Durant in game three clay, seemingly making a lot of noise about playing. We'll see if he can actually make it. So Mark talk about just where things are in this series, the resiliency so far of the warriors what we expect the next couple of days, the next couple of games if you're tuned into this podcast and it's post game three you can skip probably the first twelve fifteen minutes. That's when we're talking mostly about game three and the current stuff, everything after that we were talking a lot about Kevin Durant Marcus, of course, written, a great book about K D his entire life story. Go find that on a bookshelf somewhere, but in. Meantime, we discussed Katy at length you just want to hear the K D discussion skip ahead. Like twelve fifteen minutes if you're hearing this before game three we got a lot of analysis of the series so far and what to expect in game three before we get to the interview, of course, if you're not subscribed. Please do. So you can do that on apple podcast on Spotify Stitcher on any number of other platforms Android platforms, wherever find podcasts subscription button somewhere hit subscribe, if you're on podcast, please give us a rating and review helps us out a lot. I'm reading those reviews. I swear I saw you can't remember the name of top my head. I don't have it in front of me the person who recently commented. Hey, I know you're not actually reading this. I saw it. I am actually reading it leaving your comments your critiques your questions. You can also hit me on Twitter at Howard Beck. Appreciate you listening. Preciado the feedback, and here is my interview with Marcus Thompson. I'm now joined in some random closet of oracle arena. Interview room. We do our post game. There we go. Now joined in the official interview room, according to Marcus Thompson by Marcus Thompson of the Atlantic, author of K D. Kevin Durant relentless pursuit to be the greatest author of golden the miraculous rise. Steph curry, author of many insightful stories on the warriors on the athlete, Markus. Thanks, man. Preach time. Thank you for having me. I feel like I made it now this is this is your second time you made it the first time I had you that was a while ago. Right. That was last June. Almost a year. Yeah. To get to get to. I mean you got invited back to hasa count for something. It went pretty well man that's better Kerr outy award. Not sure quite there yet. Joined by your daughter today. Say hello. Oh my lower. You are courage, your courage in her. You can't be doing talker, and your family more. Or encouraging her school was out, may thirtieth, so she's she's tagging along with pumps today. Nice nice, nothing better than an off day at the finals to spend your, your summer. Pretty pretty good deal for her, right? Yeah. They're they're worse ways. Spend a day. All right. So we're recording this just after the first off day practice in Oakland coming into game three. So we now know that Kevin Durant still out. We know this, right? Did not practice. We know what about Klay Thompson other than questionable. This sounds like he's planning play though. He sounds like a guy who wants to play. And who is encouraged by the last couple of days. So man, if you know anything about clay, you know that do man he's gonna try to play. So there is a chance to words might say feel you, but we need those two extra days. Yeah. But clay is he's going to be tough due to keep off the court that's for sure. I mean, and that's what we know of him when would spec of him. But I mean, this is seemingly one of those times where it's really about the medical staff, whether they think it's wise and, and for to protect them against himself possibly, right? Like they'll be the final word on that. I soon I guess the question becomes. How close is he right? 'cause I magic and if tomorrow he would Rhys, you know, reactivating it waiting two more days, we'll tell you that risk. Right. So then if it does, if he's like a hundred percent in two days, and they're probably do it, but it's like going from seventy to eighty I think he'll work his way on a core, just know clay he will probably power through whatever drew. They put him through as they el-banna, fine. I was nothing even if I hurt you. So yeah, I'm Agean. I mean, really those things take a couple of weeks to fully Hugh anyway. So it's probably like choice between pain and arrests and he kinda got arrested. But if they're gonna lose them for the series he's like might as well just play there. Yeah. I mean, fair and they lose game three and all of a sudden are they've lost homecourt advantage again. And you know, you don't want to the margin for error in the finals is so thin as it is against anybody. And this seems really good as we've seen right? So I mean they variously down to all right now, in which case it would feel very desperate. So there's this volatility that I was saying to that was on your buddy. Call commies podcast today. And I was saying, I don't think I've seen volatility like this finals before where it's not just like okay these teams are even the matched you can't tell which way it's going after two games. It's more about like Klay gonna play as you're going to be okay is gonna come back. What's he going to look like two concussions? Keep doing what he did in game two and an even higher level. Because all of a sudden, you could go from one star still standing in Steph to withdraw to the super team that everybody was fearing when the season started. Right. Like that five some could actually be together by the end of this. The vast number of. Possibilities in between. Those extremes is, is mind boggling. It's crazy. Right. Like we still talking about Andrea dollar, whose calf as has been a problem. He's got Kawai co I still limping around here we still got a cow Lowry's hand. I mean, there's just a lot of variables as happening if you're Toronto as why game threes everything, right? Like this is the most vulnerable the warriors have been if somehow you don't win that game. And then next thing you know game for everybody's back like jeez. It was this hard gave three without him. So, yeah, there could be and we've seen this is a very like pretty even theories like when you factor in all the stuff they're playing really good games. Both team felt like they had a chance to win down the stretch, which is about all you can ask for you. Start running these variables like yo Kevin Durant s- back that might skew it a little bit. Right. So the really big ass terrible. Right. So it's just like, wow, they almost have to take take advantage of this. Because if the worst somehow do get healthy that looked pretty good based on what we see in the first two games. Yeah. So you it sounds like you're almost expecting Klay to play tomorrow. Right. Like you'd be surprised if he did have I spent clip play that's in a lean to player on this. And what do you think about K D arena, C him by game for the fact that he didn't practice? I don't think it was sign. I would agree light. Yeah, they're pretty adamant like you gotta get a practice in I so that I'm guessing that means he's out for game three. Yeah. I mean definitely like Katie always seem like a stretch that he was gonna play in three. But they, you know there's a practice day in between. Can you go off of one practice? I think Steve Kerr has said that he could other that seems like a big leap to go from no contact for weeks to one practice to game for the finals the lot a lot. But hey, I mean, I don't know whether wait, what would they be waiting for, like only to prevent against if he's out the whole series you might as well? He was little risk. I agree that normal like this is what clay was saying. Like, look man, the NBA finals, you know if I could go out there and, and you all we always hear kosher say that, right? If it was the playoffs you play deal. So this is, obviously is sub optimal sub optimal. But if katie's to give it a lot, like I feel like I can do it, and that becomes the question like at some point, they just need bodies. Yes. Right. And he may not be the Kevin Durant. But fifty percent. Kevin Iran's probably better than Fasel McKinney, right? Yeah. Say that. I think it's fair that math works out, eighty percent seventy five percent of clay is probably better than Quinn cook. So I some point they just really start need bodies on the court. So they might not be all the same might not be all the way there. But if he's not playing game three then came forth kinda gotta be like the are you coming back or not test? And if he gets a practice in, I think that's the tricky part, you don't know how he's gonna respond. He's got to get at least one in so you can see how he feels see how you feels the next day afterwards. So they kind of need at least that much before they before they pulled out there, I tend to agree. And yet, the clock is ticking. Right, by the way. Yeah, this wasn't a couple of weeks ago. It's been this was may eight that think so we're looking at a month of Katy b and out and rehabbing every day. So if it's not there now will it be there like that. That's the question you gotta start asking if he doesn't show these three or four game three or four so hypothetical for games three because we. I don't know for sure on clay doesn't play if he plays. And he's reasonably close to the usual clay that we that we know obviously, the warriors have a good chance. They've got cousins is still, you know is gaining each day. It seems like Steph Steph, the raptors will will probably still go hard at Steph. But if you've got Claes outlet, you're okay if he's not there though, if this is if they're starting tomorrow night's game with like Steph and Livingston. Steph and Quinn, cook, whoever it may be. And you've got this depleted roster where you're only creator is Steph drains, a creator for others, but not necessarily for himself. He's not, you know, you're not steaming to try to stop Draymond green. Where do they go? Does this become the Steph DaMarcus out game is it's you lean on cousins authority minimum pulse, low post high post, whatever because you got guard him like that's the problem they need guys that you just have to guard. So, I think it becomes the inside out thing becomes the causes go get go. Get twenty go. Make them pay go draw some files and. If it works out incredible. They double team, which opens up a lot of other stuff. I, I think that's what people forget about cousins does that you still got a guard. The do. Right. You can't, you know, the worst for years have been thrown guys out there that you don't have to guard like from Abuja, javale McGee. Right. They started Damian Jones von looney bogut, Andrew bogut, right there. Got guys that you just don't have to gar cousins on the floor. You gotta guard him period is about a lot. And that is a lot for Steph, right? That means the world for Steph to have somebody else to guard. So I feel like at some point it becomes a inside out game with bogut with blue boogie and, and curry and probably. I think you might see some small ball to you might see them. They've been avoiding it. But at some point during gets to be center, and now they just push it. Yeah. Now, they're just try to keep the pace maybe wrong us off the court and try to create opportunities because there's nobody else to create them. So you kinda just need. The, the chaos transition create looks can they win it that way. I've done down this team. See I've seen too much, right? Yeah. You know, some of it to Toronto, right? Like they, they didn't look like me wanna hit them shots in the fourth quarter. They got a lot of good looks a lot of open little. Sure, they were not dropping. So I was at home. Right. So they've gotta make shots. They've gotta they gotta make place on the road in a hostile environment against the definitive champs. Like that's a lot to ask your first time. Right. Sure, when you try to get the feel so I think it's a little bit of a combination if they start feeling comfortable in the worst scuffling, you could definitely see Toronto kind of finding their their legs about him like, oh, we can do this, but they've got a got to play well, and the words have to be like sub optimal. Like that's what we kind of know. So but I feel like they can win. I mean look Steph because route forty and then this is all over right? Like that'd be the case feels like although if they're gonna go whatever boxing one junk defense is whatever and it's all aimed at him and if he were the only threat out. They're really, you know, at least on the perimeter, I dunno. I can you can you take Steph out of the game with your defense. If you don't have a that lay where you got causes right bond right with the man advantage, and they just have to produce. They, they just have to do it. So did you notice? I don't know that I didn't see anything in the aftermath of game. Nobody asked about it post game. And I don't know if TV caught it, but I was watching just the court the other night after Iggy dollars shot and Steph ran over to nurse to, to Nick nurse and and was like saying something to Nick nurse. It was really weird. Because like Steph, I know like Steph can get that chippiness sometimes like there's a little bit of that. Like he's not always the voice scout out there. But this was interesting, like, he really like went at Nick nurse for moment. Game was over. I'm pretty sure right after that shot. And he ran over the sideline to go kind of chirp Adam, they probably say you are you really bland defense. I know they were locker room like what did you see that? What were they doing, like, why were they doing that? A lot of felt like you know, it was crazy to pull that out like it was so risky. So that I magic if he did say it was like he probably, you know, Steffi probably say man, I haven't seen a defense like this Davidson, right? So it was interested nurse. Look a little animated every third or why couldn't actually tell from where we were in the stands. It's hard to know. I just I just thought it was really odd to see a player go right up to a coach like that to kind of chirp out, you know, it was unusual to say the least there, there was a lot of like you believe they did that. They did that defense after the game. It was a lot of that, like, wow, they really put out the box. It's weird that there was a air of almost being like it was somehow offensive like no that was their, their box. One is like the whole the whole thing, you're saying is your team based trash just take you, if you do it if that's like all these arrays it who? That's the message you arrays in, like Wilson everybody else's, call to banks, just dot will you that? That's why like I get why they're saying that. Because the culture of basketball, you wouldn't do that, right. Selling out to stop Steph L himself should think that obviously it's a compliment to him but I could see on behalf of his teammates. I guess he's saying, like, what do you notice Andrea dollar? That's very, very like whatever I've seen a box or played a boxer, one that was the case felt like the rest of the team was trashed and we one guy and it also saying you can't stop that one guy. So you kinda gotta do something tricky. So as Steph said he was flattered. But I understand why they said that. I just don't think that was the intention, right? It wasn't like is planning to percentages. Right. That's what it is. I don't know if it was a good message to team though. I really don't know if that's what you wanna say in game two so your team like he's by himself. There's no other like you're basically saying, there's nobody else that we are. Scared of that's the case is like Kim Steph outscore, Kawai, all friv- Lee, Danny. Green by self is gonna get twenty two quarter. Like, what are you say? Like you're saying there's an actual chance that Steph with nobody can beat you. Like if it doesn't work. Like, that's part you basically took forever Lee off the office. Right now, he was over five once you start playing at because he's the one who's assigned to follow Steph wherever he goes. So as no quiz. It is that he was over five from outside shots fourth quarter, because that's his legs right there. You're just saying follow him around. It was just it was weird. I if they do it again. It's going to be like yo coach like I'm kinda tired. Leave it open, right? Yeah. You think they'll probably like maybe show that it was smart at the time. No, I do think it was smart. Call two words off guard it works. Yeah. Right. It is gore for five and a half minutes. And, you know they needed they needed to do something to, to cut that lead. 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That's Boll and branch dot com promo code Bleacher. One quick other note, and they will though and talk about Kevin Durant, and, and your book on Durant. So you said you're done doubting, this team, which, yeah, we all should be by the time we've seen everything that they have overcome in this postseason alone, and even some things over the last few years, but one of the things that's emerged as well. This is the worst I real obstacle, like they've had the benefit of Kevin love and Kyrie being hurt or various guys along the way. Mike Conley in that first year. Remember, there's always been all these Astros, people throwing up like damn and face people at full strength. All this stuff we think of that particular. Yeah. Just doesn't make any sense. I mean, let so. Like, obviously you lose kyri. You lose Kevin love. That's a big deal. That's not nothing. But at some point it just becomes a series. Right. Like when it was when it was game four and they were down to one and they were in Cleveland after they got blown out in game three. There's nobody in Cleveland. Nobody on Cleveland saying all man, but we don't have Kevin love at that point. They're up game in the finals fill in very good. Right. It's also disrespectful, the Tristan Thompson, right? Who gave all kind of fits that Siri? It was good back, then he was good. Yeah. It's disrespectful to him. But with that said the words were brand new to the finals. David Lee was playing. He was like a pretty important piece that he got hurt. So they remember it had dust him off the bench is just like they had to get comfortable with it. So to say they didn't have any versity was weird but I know it was to, to an Oakland game five. Right. And at that point. Nobody's saying, oh clueless, not gonna win this because they don't have a career like it was a series. You know what I'm saying like so that's a little. It's a little crazy. But also are we really saying Mike Conley is gonna stop the is that what we're saying we really saying that Patrick Beverley via hurt was the difference. I mean, how should it has win before you realize like if it was all inevitable anyway? Right. But secondarily, like they've dealt with their share that. That's the game. Like they lost the twenty sixteen. They just law. Like I said, when it was tugging carry had the ball, it didn't matter that Steph was hurt like it was a game. Like the game was right there to be had. So they loss Leo saying are Boga was out. All right. But it was a game. They got blown out all right as different, but whatever they had on the court whatever was available was good enough for them to be tied with a chance to win the game and Ditto for Cleveland those year. So it's just I, I don't know where when this started aware the starter, how this started, but it's just a little crazy. And sometimes we just kinda miss that there's basketball games that are actually being played. Right. That's just that's how it works. I mean so they said they couldn't Houston loss because Chris Paul hurt. And then it was the warriors turned, and it was Kevin Durant who got hurt. They didn't lose the series. No, right. Like they wanted any wet some point you just got to win the game. What you got like that. That's basketball. That's what it is. It's not about excuses. You gotta win the series like and if you've got a shot to win it, that's a ill. That's legit ale. That's what twenty sixty. I think it's ridiculous. And it's disrespectful to LeBron to say that wasn't an amazing feat pulled off by wanna greatest players. We have ever seen right? That was incredible. Like you know what I'm saying like. Is nuts? No. But we have people have to find a way to recast everything and some kind of negative light. If they can find there. I feel like yo I was there for one of the greatest things that out from Oakland. Right. And I was like, yo one of the greatest in BA finals in history. Just went down right here. No doubt that was epic. And it didn't I wasn't at the time ticket man, but bogus out. Bogey being out had nothing to do with Andrea dollar not converting layup or hitting nutshell hitting us. Our Steph saying, like he said he wanted to go right back. Hi read. He rushed a shot instead of plant smart taking the two like in the end is just a game. Like you got the game in front of you. You gotta play you gotta win. And that's what it is like I mean, this is how like great moments happened like when cook hit three threes, you know, like. Then happen, this is hurt. That's what it is. So it's just it's ridiculous to reduce these incredible moments in. He's incredible games these credible players to that say Ola don't cow. Because whatever Amen. Let's talk eighty the book on Katie is out. I have not had a chance to. Peruse it, yet, myself. That's on me. If there's one thing may lower here, then, you know. Because you're getting a plug for it anyway. How about that? I gotta go by later. What do you think the single most important thing you discovered along the way on in this book is because Katie, obviously been covered a death ever since he entered the league. He certainly been covered a death here. He's been scrutinized partially because of who he is within this game because he puts himself out there in ways that invite scrutiny. So there's a lot, we know but there's a lot that we just don't know that he's still he's still kind of in a nigga terms of the way he interacts with us in the public and the way, social media all these things, what do you feel like you you've discovered about him in the course of this book? I don't think I've, I don't think I really discovered anything that we don't really know I think it was is just putting it all into contexts try to make it make sense. I mean, a lot of stuff I didn't know because I didn't cover K D like that. Like I cover the warriors for two years. So you just kinda knew Katie was how MU guy, you know, you knew his mom. Was the VP gave a million dollars to tornado relief? He was just a humble guy. Right. And so, you know, so it's a dig kinda into his life and kind of get the details of what he went through, and what kind of shape them for me that was all fresh and new, right? You know, I mean we know mini-zoos from the hood, right? We know they're from underprivileged backgrounds. We kinda is kinda try after a while. Right. It's like all right. We got it like life was rough but to, like actually learned the details and experience in the roughness like that, that made that just made it real right? Like just the amount of deaf that dude has been through, like it's is real at some context, so you know when. His his aunt who help take care of him which she dies when he's young. And then the coach who taught him basketball's like a father figure when he gets killed right you like, oh yeah but you made it but then a couple months ago in March shout who Frank is killed. So now it's like oh man I got killed, but you start putting the context of yo like this keeps happening to you right now. Now, it like kind of it just makes it all makes sense. Like it makes it all crazy. I have I had a much better understanding of why he is angry with the narrative about him, like I get it like we we're really calling do soft who made it through. He made it through if say, like I get wise leg ops oft, what like are you serious? I get, you know, like my free agent decision, but soft like opposite, the easy way like you know what I'm saying? Like I get why he's like this doesn't make any sense, like do you know what I've been through like any, you know, he he probably was being it'll splitting hairs? We Chris Broussard, the other day because we saw this is like your worst nightmare. He's like, really is my worst nightmare, but it gives you a sense of how he thinks, like we look at these players, and who they are as basketball players, become who they are, who they are, like, if you're if you're a class act on the court, we just call you a class act. It don't matter if you know, your wife not raising kids. Oh, be shady Bizet, but he's a class act. He should hands. Right. Right. That's what we are. Still it did the one action if you are an angry jerk to court, you know, never mind. If your dues you raise a bunch of family members, you try to write the community your jerk, like, we get the privilege of doing that. But they don't that's not their life. You've said their life is all of it. It's the basketball. It's the obstacle is the family, their life is all of it, so they don't they don't get the luxury of just being compartment allies as a basketball player. So I understand why he saying that it's like wait a second. Man, I mean, I feel that way like when I turned off nine five off, when I'm with my daughter, it's off, like I'm a father what I'm saying. It's not like yeoman you were late on deadline. Your trash, dad. That article it has nothing to do with the right. Like as a matter of fact, if you said, if you were doing my eulogy at you were like Manley, we tell you Marcus is great. And if you mentioned journalism that I feel like my life has failed. Right. Basketball. But so if. I was a part of the who, like, why why are you doing this? Like, why are you? Why are you making his? Why are you going after these people Dido for you are? But like no one who is learning about what you've been through it just all may sense. Like there was one time I came to him and locker room. I was like I don't even know how you made it like I don't know how you're like, how are you here? You're not supposed to be here. I know people who went through what he went through. They're not doing well, right. This is not a good life. They have life is rough. And so just like yo is like, wow, you really here. That's crazy. But it's interesting because guys process that experienced differently right? Like we've heard LeBron say almost exact words that you just said, I'm not supposed to be here. Lebron has said this almost every year in the finals at some point when people talk about adversity or whatever else, and he wants to put it in perspective. Like folks, let me tell you something, like whatever people are saying about me, whatever you think I've been through in this little tiny prism, this little basketball universe is nothing compared to what I came from an over. Came and Katie is the same. But interesting be in the speaks to have you ever be their own person their own personality? Lebron just shakes everything off yet. K D more than any star at this level that we've seen I think internalizes lashes back everything else. And I don't even begrudge him that I mean, that's you do whatever makes sense to you. And if that was what makes sense to him. Okay. But it does it is one of those questions, like okay, but, but why you have overcome all this? You are an incredible success. You've got all this, like the D need to go back, even going, crisper sard, which better than going at some random. Tweeter. Right. Chris has a platform Christmas on TV. And if you think that Chris interpretation was a little of a little out there, or it was, it was hyperbolic, certainly was hyperbolic. I kind of get that a little bit. But would you where does the hypersensitivity come from because also that wasn't there before this is the last couple years? You'll was there was even okay? See, I think it was suppressed think I mean he's like I wrote this in a book like he got all his tattoos so they could be hidden by jersey. You know what I'm saying because where he was he you know, he didn't feel like having tattoos would be a good idea. Like people wouldn't embrace it in Oklahoma. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like we know you've heard Kevin Durant light, Kevin Durant has what we would call the potty mouth, right? But before he wouldn't curse like publicly because that's not the image. You wanted to put out right? Right. That's come out much more. I think a lot of who he was like he was that guy. I mean, think about it, you kind of had to be that guy like to fit in the wire boys ain't making it out of county. You kinda got to be ready to scrap back. So. So but I do feel like there was a part of him. I do think he was hurt by how he was criticized for making a move. And there were there were signs of him growing wary about it. Remember he was clashing with the media in his last years, and Oklahoma City, right? I do think that's a part of it. I also I just feel like Kevin Durant heart is his gift in this curse. And you've you've you've talked to him, you know, like you could sit down and talk to Kevin Iran, and it feels like you're talking to just a regular guy, very next door neighbor component to, to Katie, right? Childhood friend. Right. This is why people who some people just love him to death because he has a way of making himself not seven feet tall. Right. And the thing that he does is like he's actually feeling what you're saying. He's actually listening to you. He can't be touched. Right. The sentimental stuff about teamwork and sharing a ball and in the bench and sick children. And for like that stuff he can be touched. He can fill it. He just don't know how to turn it off. And I think he's got to a point where he's like, man who said I had to turn it off. Anyway. Right. Like it's probably not the best PR move, but who said I was NPR threatened. So the same thing that makes you laugh makes you cry right? I feel like what I've learned about Kevin rent for no way. He was raised at from. I mean, here's a guy who didn't have much, but a lot of people poured into. Right. He had people to love him. You know, at his worst times, I think it taught him how to feel I think he feels because of it like if you, if you take away all his basketball stuff you just watch him in a locker room. I think he just likes being around guys. I think that's what drew to the warriors. He said they came in full five even a look like they were holding hands. It was something about him that wanted to be part of a brotherhood. That's what he had, and they, it was they were run around. Michael, Beasley them run around. DC PG county, look if pickup games, right gay. Getting in trouble runner. Like he loves he loves that stuff like to come round here, he loves it. He's he his upbringing and the way people poured at him. I think it made him feel I think it taught them how to feel he's just always been one who's been connected with his emotions. And I just think he's like, why, why do I have to turn it off? Right. So if you're going to have it one way ways. Absolutely. You're gonna feel everything. This is why people meet him there so surprised because they see the privilege may remain, but they would talk to, like, he's really nice and literally I didn't know Durant at all when he got here. The first thing that struck me was, like, wow. He's a nice guy like he's really chatty. I remember Steph curry said this to me one time we're talking about. He was like, I just want people to understand his heart, and how good of duties like I just want people to understand that with Steph, once people are saying about Katie, because there's a, a personal relational part about Kevin Durant, that also. So he feels that he also feels it with you criticize them, right? And he also is like this whole person who somehow sees himself as a regular person. Also wants to reserve his rights as a regular person like we see as superstar late one, you know, he had the Nikes with the, the top with the slight sit at the bottom of championship had a pair of shoes and all the souls, he put all of the slights that people say cower since this off all that you put on shoot as all scratched out, basically him stepping on his haters. Yeah. Somebody in the comments it, why do you care about what these people say, like Kevin Durant? He literally responded like a man. I'm just like you like I drink beer. I've got acne like I'm like you like he just we put him on his pedestal. That's above people. He's like, I'm not doing that, right? Well, he's, he's acting the same as he would if he was just on the playground with you play involves sold him. When sold him. What you're saying that about, we're like, dude, you're not supposed to do that. He's like, who said I'm not supposed to do that. This is what I this is one of the things I tell people about professional athletes in my twenty two years of covering the league is that we immediately think that because there is great as they are what they do their elite athletes, the best in the world what they do and because of that you become a celebrity. You become a household name. Everybody knows who you are what you look like what you your likes your dislikes who you're dating all this stuff. They didn't ask to become celebrities. It's part of what you buy into, but didn't ask to become celebrities, and there's a difference between being a celebrity and being a great athlete. Kevin Durant as the Pitta me of this. He loves being Kevin Durant. Elite athlete winning performing dominating all that stuff the celebrity part of it. And what comes with it is, is the disconnect that you're talking about where he's the regular guy who's going will. Yeah. Like, right. Maybe, you know, maybe George Clooney or Denzel Washington, or somebody that maybe they don't react that way to people criticizing them and my most NBA players. Don't LeBron at this point does. Really the Katie to your point. There's a part that part of him that re- very real grounded part of him has endured throughout all of this celebrity, he's not, you know, he's, he's not above. It'll give for better for better for worse. Right. He he grew up plan blacktop in DC in when he made the NBA he would go back every summer and play blacks up any other. It'd be player. It'd be like yet nam kind of, of that, but he took delight in going to play back at the same course he grew a plan. All right. Like he can't do that anymore because it probably caused them some injuries shoes. But his point was I've been waiting to make it. So I could come back and play with as the NBA player playing with you. All right. So for better for worse like this is this is how he views the world of himself in it. And I actually came to appreciate it. I don't dig as good PR. I'll think is good brand management, right? But I appreciate that. We actually know who. Kevin Durant is yes. And that type. Percents, and that's fine. And to that point, actually, if we're all gonna complain and I certainly do about guys being too controlled yet to brand conscious too much allowing their PR people, and brand people to basically bland them down to, to, to lose all that because they don't want them to, to look, a certain way to seem hypersensitive, or to seem whatever we, if a guy's going to be real like if being real means being, hyper sensitive. Okay. We can say, wow. That's a little. But at least we know it's the real Katie absolute just take that over the corporate of branding, that's that's turned up guys into like Tomasson like mannequins. No question. It's, it's actually is admirable that he's willing to be that vulnerable publicly. Right. And maybe he's maybe is not intentional. Maybe it's involuntary maybe he just can't help himself, but in and he has decided to not erect a facade. And I appreciate that I it's, it's refreshing from what we do, because we have to chisel at the facade all the time and try to get around it right all the time. So for what for some guy to, to be able to just be his authentic self and keep in mind. This dude is at the top of the game. Now, these next three or four years like it's him at the top of the game. So this is kinda historic. Would you start thinking about it? Like we have the kind of access to a superstar, you just don't get to somebody at that level because he don't he doesn't Erecta facade, like you know, he'll say it all the time. Like so if you say something to me, and I'll say something back, and they usually I should say something to the one you to one who can't take my retour, right? And it makes a lot of for regular people. Right. It's like yeah. Why are you getting mad now because I fired back at you right? Oh, I'm sensitive, because I fire back at you want because you can't take me fire back as you. I'm good with the fire back, I questioned sometimes what he's fired back over like we don't need to get into the stuff with Ethan Strauss your. Colleague, and somebody who admire greatly, but like that was a weird thing to go after Kris Ethan for reporting for doing his job for going and talking to people in the organization about what your thoughts are like nobody ever put words and Kevin's mouse about what he's going to do. We'll just report, what we are hearing around the league because that's our job is reporters, and he's been in this league long enough to understand that. So sometimes, I'm a little like a little taken aback by his reactions, only because like you kind of, like, you know, the environment you're in since he's part of creating the environment. He's part of creating an environment when it comes to the speculation beddis free agency, he absolutely simply by signing your deal. You've created it. And then on top of that your agent has been hanging out at the garden. And there's a lot of stuff that flows through the league because what people see in here and things that are said I mean, so he it was that, that one was a little strange. Some of those are a little strange. But again, I will still take him being real and expressing what he really feels over the facade as you put it any anytime. I'm with you. Hey issue, girl. Lisi Madge I play desma on TNT's hit show close people try to pay walking into world of pain, but no more me and my girls are duct the cloth on which to run up in the Rambo. The crew is and the crime. Life is paying off. I love the smell of extortion morning. I'm the boss Natalie watch me, the new season of fog then day at nine eight central on TNT. What's up everybody? 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There's the, the dicey version of that where you're doing it and against somebody's wishes. And there's just simply a you know, he just didn't feel like it. So Katie, was, obviously, where you were doing the book, you're here, all the time, your everyday, what sense, did you get from him in terms of his new, not just non-participation. But did he did he feel any certain way about the book being done was was he coup that even though he didn't want to participate himself? I mean he he was fine with it. I told him about it. He told me to do it. He with it. I think here's another thing, like, you know, you know, he told me when I told him the book he was like excellent for you. Wow. Like, you know, I'm I'm happy. He's like, I barely knew to right. It's not like we have twenty years of history. Yeah, I just I met Kevin Durant, what he signed here, twenty three years. Yeah. So he's like that. That's a great like, like I'm proud of you like people want you to write. But like that, that was his response know his team was like they're not going to participate. But he's like, yeah. Do you know do you like and he said, I'm interested to see what you come up with? Wow. That's what he said. So, you know, stuff like that. Where it's like I, I mean contrary to popular belief I don't have players rooting for my success say, nobody's like, man, I really wish the best view. Right. You know, you really you really work hard like everybody saying that to be on. You know every day. Steph says something similar he was like this is a great opportunity for you should take it. You know. I'm not really. I don't want to write a book right now. I wanna wait till I'm done. He's like, yeah. You should, you know, you should do what you gotta do which speaks well of both of them because there are people in this league in another venues as well who will say, I don't want anybody profiting off of my story, and they'll go out and actively shut people down. They'll go out and tell if that's the case. They've already. Done a bad job because there's about fifteen to rent books online. No. I mean I just I just want to put that out to people, though, that, you know, if he wanted to actively work against you on this. It's great that he's. It's amazing that he's supportive and actually excited for you, this very cool. And I think speaks very well of him again. It speaks to his humanity and just as caring for other people, but there are guys in the league who would have probably worked against you would have told, you know, terrorist Brown has, you know, you coach another guys would have told them. Hey, don't, don't talk to this guy. They would try to shut it down. But you didn't assume you encountered, no such roadblocks? I counted a roadblock and trying to get some people. Right. I don't I don't know why they did not get their own reticence, not because the renter. Rich climate said. No. I don't know that they didn't. I don't know. I try to reach out to the people, and they never responded to me. So. Yeah. If that was the case, the. Probably I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what I would do in a situation. Not do what I not do the book or what I say, okay, you won't play that game. Let's go right. I don't know. I don't know that situation. I do. I would be thoroughly disappointed though, if that were the case because. Yeah, I would be, I would be disappointed if it sounds like that wasn't the case. I mean it certainly Kevin. Told me like he just absolute said, do do what you do. And he wanted me to write. He wanted me to do what was best career like that's what I got from him. And you know, I wasn't asking him for this five hour sit down. You know, I wasn't I wasn't trying to do that. He can tell his own story. So I mean, I did have a, a major hurdle doing a book as far as the time and it was it was very rough. That was probably the big it was, what was your timeline for completing this, basically, it was like they gave me a year to write it, but it wasn't like with staffer. I had all this ingrain knowledge, right, right? From day one. So this one was tough. So I didn't really I basically wrote in, like five months, just so much digging. Yeah. He's just so much trying to find out understanding. It was just the man, I should've to two years. I wish I had two years. Yeah, I need it, two years. So, yeah, a stuff. Before we leave subject before. I let you go hit you couple more before we get you out of here. I got asked about free agency, obviously because it's just it's just hanging out there where we're two games in the finals right now. Katie hasn't played yet. There's all this speculation. Okay. They wouldn't championship without him. What does that mean they wouldn't championship with him playing and he's the hero of it? What does that mean they lose the finals? What does that mean? Does do you think that any of what's going to happen, the next two weeks of games with or without him is going to have significant bearing on his decisions ally? One, I don't know if this significant I feel like it's all information that will go into that rhythm, that's gonna make the decision, right? Is I think it would be crazy to say it won't matter at all. But it will also be crazy to say it will absolutely matter. He even be like a wants to go to the next, right? But does that mean the Knicks will have everything in order when he gets there like I mean, there's a lot of uncertain pieces in his deal like who's going with him wherever he goes. Right. And then in the end. It sounds great now on paper in, he's got to sign a document that basically walks away from Steph curry from the brand new center from the most money he could make two hundred twenty million from joy, my green and Klay Thompson, right from a bay area who's finally embracing him. Right. As one of their chanting MVP during this playoff run. And I think that was the only thing they just wanted him to commit. They just didn't want to get their heartbroken right? Held a little piece of back, but I think these playoffs kinda made made people see his value and what he can do. So I mean, that's a lot to walk away from what Joe Lakers, looking face and saying, let's do let's go. Let's go this arena, great. And you know that do delivers right like and the James Dolan sit in front of you with all these promises that you like. So I, I don't know. I just I just feel like there's a lot of uncertainty. That sounds great on paper. But it doesn't always work that way. But I know he's got the one certainty with awards, right? He's gap that, so everything else would have to feel like when he sat down in the Hamptons. There was a bar to clear to get him out. Oklahoma city. Right. Because he had he had this. He had that, but he has some stuff he didn't like right? And he had to clear that like had the bar. The worst clearly clear that bar. Right. It was like, all right. Whatever it was, whether it was a chance for championships, unlimited budget, a roster, he could rock wit. Right. Coach. You know, whatever, whatever it was the warriors you could say one ups Oklahoma City in that area. Right. Who's one of the wars, like, what, yeah. I guess it depends on what the bar isn't exactly. He's a different bar because he leaves here with three championships in three finals fees, if the bars like I need to start over and build my own thing, right? That will make sense that will that will make a lot of sense. But also that would mean you need to have them ducks in a row. Yeah. And that's NS the thing like I keep saying, this Knicks fans. No, like hearing it. But yeah, it's, it's one thing to leave an established championship team. And everything that goes with that. And all of the security, and the, you know, the ability to keep contending year in year out the new chase centers your alluded to the new arena coming up in San Francisco willing to leave all that. It's nothing to decide to go to a team that is starting really from scratch, and the Knicks are like there's, there's nothing there you can go there with kyri you still don't have a supporting cast. They don't the they're the youth. They have is is not good enough. So katie's a smart player and smart guy about this league. I gotta think whether it's him Kyrie whoever's going with them are going to look at that. And see the same thing that, you know, an idiot like me can see which is there's not, there's not a supporting cast there. And so that's that would be it would be a strange telephone on it. Here's what we're gonna do. Here's how we're going to build it. And he would have to believe it. Yeah. Right. That mean that I mean it's not nothing it might be enough. But it also might not. That's the part. I don't know. I don't know what the package is going to be in front of what was Jerry West going put in front of them if it's the clippers right. You know they're gonna make a run. Like I mean, I think that's part of the equation, that's gonna be pretty huge. Right. So Jerry west get him twice. Exactly right. And his fallback plan is, you know, go in more championships. Go play in the finals. Well. And it comes down to this, what does he what does he want at the stage of his career? And what does what he wants now is different than what he wanted when he first came here, three years now. We'll know that. So he makes his decision. We'll tell us what he wanted, right? Because he's got options. That's that's one thing he's got is options. Right. That's the perk of being Kevin Durant is you, you can do whatever you want to do, and he's got the options. I think we'll know what he out. You'd what he's uses. Yeah. All right. Before that you go required. We're doing this recording this in a back room here at oracle, oracle is down to its last couple of games here, there's a whole you call you calling it a raptors and. Five. No, I'm saying. All right. But I said, couplet me literally to love that. On the words, we gust view there. There you go. Kevin durant. In five you say I'm so we've got we've got games three and four and then game, six likely, I think, and that's it for oracle, you grew up here. You've written very eloquently about the Serena first place I ever saw basketball game as well, having grown up in the bay area, southern warriors again way back when. There was warriors sons and it was nineteen. I don't want to say what year it was of some of them. So Marley teams a day, only Tom chamber, not on chambers. I will tell you this haven't told the story before, I don't think hopefully, do you remember a Bayer schuch store, kids shoe store called carlin's Boodry? Okay. All right. So there was a carlin's Boodry in San Jose, and they'd had a drawing where you literally filled out a thing and put it in like a little fish bowl. Whatever they draw it out draw name out, and it was for to be ballboy for a day, and I got the call ballboy for a day says like again, I don't wanna say what your it was. So that was my first game I came in. Got a free t shirt came in the back way, the press entrance whatever still got the little like ticket stub this little light blue powder. Blue tickets with the warriors sitting in a box in Brooklyn. And that was it. I just remember. I very vague recollection. I don't even know if my parents photos of me doing this, I have of having that big broom sweep when the, the key. To get the sweat up and everything else spots. I remember like doing some rebounding for a couple of players pre-game. I just being out there like just like why died in my mind blown like that. I was there. But so that's, that's my, that's my earliest, of course, it wasn't oracle that it was just the Coliseum arena. That's what it's always been the coliseums. That's, that's all it is. So what you're one single best memory of this place before we shut it down. Oh man. That's a tough one. I had a lot of high school memories, because, you know, they played high school basketball here. Did you play in here? I didn't play. I don't get it that good. Go watch some of the local legends play. Right. You know, Jason Kidd I wanted Jason Kidd play here for the state championship. You know, I watched guy like Frank Knight who's like a coach around here now he's like a legendary Oakland player, so for us coming up even more than a warriors it was like going to see local stars kind of play. I remember it was a big deal with shea cotton came here to play like this LA star from modern day, who was supposed to be this mega star. So that, that that's a lot of it. Right. And then I will say may when I when I started covering them beat for me like just being in the arena was like one of those like I made it type deals because we sit courtside. I, I when I first started the beat writers, sat scores table. Yeah, I was I was baseline. When I first started covering the latest back in the day, then we moved baseline. Yeah. Right. And you got those seats in the beat writer set in the front row. So I was like, right there front. And I just remember because oracle was a different crowd, then right? Yeah. I remember just seeing so many people from Oakland people went school with people who my dad and they will always be walking by stopping like Marcus Thompson. Right. And it was always like this conversation and it would it'd be funny because they're like blocking the game. But these are people, I can't say, hey, move along trying to work, right? He's people who say they like no Maho family. And so I just those things were always like important to me, just because it's weird to, to kind of make it out of a rough situation and then be in the place where you were. Right. So everybody kind of gets to see you in kind of celebrate the fact that somebody else made it, so like those moments were always, especially when the words were trashed and people were just countries time. Yeah. He will like oracle was the hang out spot. Right. It was like the expensive nightclub. Right. Where if you were here night depends on who they were playing especially Laker. Games. It was all about the other team is all about being in the arena. Right. So for me to be in the arena was like something pretty significant rights when people would be able to see. I remember you, right. Oh man. I know your daddy, or whatever. Right. Remember I went to school which us. So those moments were always really special for me. I mean, nothing tops we believe like a like walking in the game three before hours before game three against Dallas. Just walk in onto the court, and it was like it was like the fourth quarter and it's three hours before tip off people are just screaming at areas. It was like yo this is crazy. Right. So I, I mean I have so many memories from this going to see HOGAN with my mom, you know, my first Disney on ice, you know what I'm saying? Like all that little stuff that sneaking in the siege Orden, you know, like is just so many memories happened here like I wrote like this was. The city's mecca like this. If you were in here like life was going. Well, you know what I'm saying? So it really kinda represented that. So I have a mini of those memories that I'm sure will make my nose burn in the last game. No, it's, it's, it's going to be weird. I was going be weird. The end of game six however, it ends gamewise, whatever else I'm gonna at least take a moment. Just kinda Elkin the, the end of, of, of this arena, because it's, it's certainly the last of its generation side from the garden, which has been, you know, obviously completely prevent renovated from the inside out. But it's but yeah, I mean, for me, it's always this is always going to have hold that, that sentimental place to not as deeply as yours, because you grew up in Oakland itself. You came sounds like a lot more games than I did. But like this was the first place and, you know, I it's it will always resonate for me and then having come back and covered a lot of games here and being at that game three of the we believe series crazy. Oh, that was the loudest. I want allowed us nights of my life. Ever heard anywhere having to wait to talk. Yeah. It'd be like a dunk time out is I say, so by editors, but we gotta wait. Because there's no way we can hear each other is incredible. I just hope hope hope, they can somehow replicate at least some of that vibe across all I know they won't. But I'm gonna hope anyway. Marcus are men. I know you gotta get outta here. You're gonna book signing tonight, which meet, which is good because it means you're probably not playing in that media hoops game that I was gonna play. Brethren, our, our colleagues are going to face, I think faith they've because I was down. And then it was like we gotta do large. I'm worried. I was like why saints had to go into like stream ready to sacrifice my Kelly's foot. I was ready to do it. I'm going to be far from that thing as possible, put the over and under oath five and a half major injuries. Go. Over under five and a half majors. Some measures crutches out not Mitch. I'm gonna go under Optimus go under. Let's hope. Let's hope that whoever streaming this thing like I suppose you beyond belief so that our colleagues will not embarrass themselves too badly. 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Six of ten shooting from three point range, thirty seven points, seven assists, six rebounds on fifty seven percent shooting from the field sixty percent shooting from three point rage. Propelling? The Boston Celtics. To a come from behind win against a pesky in the NFL basis. The way we've looked at the Indiana Pacers playing in this series. We've got to ask ourselves a question albeit quickly with debut losing this series of victims depot healthy because we know Victoria depot was there. It will be a little bit different offensively for the Indiana Pacers. Because that brother can ball, by the way, I've see some video of Victoria depot, his rehab is coming along nicely. We wish him nothing but the best fullest, healthiest recovery. So he can get back on the court shining and doing what we all know he's capable of doing my best to Victor, Ola depot. But right now Deanna paces appropriately in an oath to whole against the Boston Celtics as they should be. Because these are the Boston Celtics a team that I have not given up on when it comes to getting to the to the NBA finals. Now, let me be very clear. I don't like most of what I've seen from the Boston Celtics and having Marcus smart out of the lineup doesn't help either. Due to his injury. But the bottom line is this when we look at the Boston Celtics, and we looked at what career in brought to the table. And we look at Jason Tatum scored twenty six points on eleven of twenty shooting including three a six from three point range. They've those two brothers can give it for you on a night in night out basis. I got news for you. You the Boston Celtics urine play. You're gonna beat Milwaukee. You're gonna be Toronto. I need more than four points from Al Horford. I need more than six points from Jalen Brown. I need more than zero points from Marcus Morris who I like and believe in. Let me be very clear about that. I like the Boston Celtics. I think they've got what it takes. And it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens with these brothers. It's going to be really interesting to see what they bring to the table. But I'm here to tell you something right now. Cari, Irvine just reminded us why he is so special the ball handling skills? The ability to dance on anybody one on one the instant offense that he can provide the three point shooting. Just I mean brothers box office show. Cari, Irvine is special brother? And if he is healthy, he's just special terrier. They too many dudes like him. And the see him in Boston. Just amp it up and turn it on for Kyrie Irving takeover the way that he did. It was something special to be all because he had to offset. I believe Stella not stellar but relatively decent performance by Bojan bogdonovich. A guy that should have never been lost by the Washington. Wizards, by the way. And it's still considered a blemish on a career of the late. President Ernie Grunfeld a basketball operations for the wizards because he's no longer they're not late. He's still alive and kickin is just he's no longer the president of basketball operations, my buddy. I love him. But I understood why attended Jones's did what he did in the nation's capital back to the Boston Celtics. Let me be very clear kyri Irvine is dead to kyri Irvine. Is that dude and see to me with my man, max Kellerman uses the the, you know, the the phrase I keep getting higher premium performance a high leveraged moments, rather, that's which is high leveraged moment meaning crunch time. He tries to be so sophisticated in the cerebral, which is drives me crazy. You're just talking about crunch down. And it's all it means. It's crunch time. Okay. Why gotta be leveraged moments. It's crunch time. All right. Very very, simple and basketball polit's. That's what most of us comprehend. Here's the deal. We look at the Boston Celtics at crunch time. Who do you believe in more? I mean, let's just call it. What it is. Who you believe in what I'm talking about the ball in somebody's hands. I'm talking about with a game on the line. I'm talking about with cats nip and tuck and going back and forth one against one another offense. Who is it that you believe in is it kuwa- linen? Is it the Greek freak Jaanus entered the compo- is it. Joel Embiid is it Kyrie Irving. I'm sorry, laser gentlemen. I know while under the champion in the NBA finals MVP, I'm rolling with koala. I've go I'm rolling Macari Ervin. The Greek freak is phenomenal. Is he is? And he is phenomenal. He's great. I think he's significantly helped by the coaching of bulldozer. I think he significantly helped by the personnel around him. And it doesn't hurt that he's seven feet. What muscles coming out of everywhere to man's game fifty seven plus pounds and muscle since he entered the league. So I get all of that. But I am of the belief in. I am of the mindset that when it's crunch time. And I need somebody to deliver a basket to be money to find a way to make something happen. I'm looking at Kyrie Irving. I've seen landed. I know how big Tommy is. I know what a superstar talent. He is. I know what an NBA finals MVP. He is. I know how significant is it on the defensive side of the ball. He's absolutely sensational. I'm not talking about all around. There's a multitude of ways somebody could beat you. I'm talking about when you need a bucket. When you need a bucket. I just think Kyrie Irving is built for these moments. I really really really believe he's built for these moments. He lives for it. And he's just that special Konadu. And right now that is the reason why I have not it is the sole lone reason why would the Boston Celtics looking as roller coaster. Not that that's the word as up and down as Barack as they have looked this season. It is the number one reason why I have held on for dear life to believe in them. It is because of re Irvine. I just believe in him. I just do that. Just I feel about it. I'm not talking about the first forty minutes. I'm not even talking about first forty three minutes talking about those last five minutes up talking about when you need buckets of talking about when the offense is a lull in nip and tuck, and then going back and forth or there's nobody stopping one offense or the other and you're going basket for basket, and it's crunch top. Who's? To deliver. You the good believe in kyri period. That's just where I'm at within. He's that special. He's that special now. The only one. 'cause I gotta tell you. As I set my sights on the Houston Rockets. I don't win. I don't know if anybody has appreciated. The of dilemma we're all facing right now. The Houston Rockets do not look that. Good. They look spectacular. And they're led by James harden. You know, you just look duty somebody's numbers and you just forget. That Chris Paul had seventeen points that every Gordon had six point six sixteen points or fifty percent shooting from de point range there PJ Tucker had sixteen points on fifty seven percent shooting from three point range. You just forget all that. You forget that they blew out the Utah Jazz Clint cappella only scoring seven points. You forget these things because the Houston Rockets look special. And as a result. Remember last year when Houston when against the Golden State Warriors for the Western Conference finals. And we will of the mindset that this was the NBA finals. Because what would be better than this and who would win? Well, guess what? I think it's easy to say. This is the Western Conference finals because I personally respectfully disagree with my brother. Charles berkeley. I don't think Portland's coming out of the west as much as I love my man, Damian Lillard C J McCollum. I don't think Paul is coming out of the west. I think. Houston. Oh, golden say this, and I'm going we'll Golden State. And here's why I'm going with Golden State, regardless of what I'm seeing from the Houston Rockets here is the reason why. I'm going with the Golden State Warriors because I believe. That although they can be my criteria is very simple. If both teams at their very best who you go on with. And I believe when it comes to the Golden State Warriors. Nobody's beating them. I think the greatest inhibitor to ball. Golden State success is not James harder. And it's not the Houston Rockets. It's Kevin Durant. Now. Kevin Durant may not like this. I don't care. I got mad love and respect for that. Brother. I believe Kevin Durant wanna top plays on the planet earth. I don't believe he's looked like that in games one and two of this series. I'm quite sure he doesn't like it. When folks say that he's been embarrassed to games wanted to. It's not that Patrick Beverley embarrassing because he's out playing or anything like that. It's that he's allowed Patrick Beverley to get into his head fouling out a game on although you up twenty. I'm sorry. Game to apologize getting the Jackson game one. Although you are twenty. That's just not acceptable. Kevin Durant is great. He's too important to the success of the Golden State Warriors to allow himself to be baited into a situation that could potentially jeopardize the Golden State Warriors and the posies. Got seventeen technical fouls on the season. Vowed game too. Bolaise gentlemen. I will give Kevin Durant credit. He did breakdown stuff in such a way that I don't think a negative word should come his way about it. We should appreciate an applaud what he broke down. And rather than me explaining it to you listen to Kevin Durant break this down himself. Let's go back to home last month of the season. We were plan this way for a while. And we got to the series gang one. We had some nice momentum plant a gimmick defense, which working top lock and everything on the perimeter. So not even looking at three point line force guys that sat three point loss. So for us when I get the ball of my spots. You know, I gotta pets patchy cleverly who was up on the Neath me. Well, I could definitely shoot over top score every time if there's a one on one situation, but we gotta got his job in and helping. And then we got another guy that's sitting on the way from the Jewish basketball put the basketball on the floor. I you know, I could probably make forty three percent of my shots by shoot them like that. But that's not really going to do nothing for us at with the outcome of the game. You know, 'cause we got a nice floor by touching a rat. Everybody shooting the scoring. So I'm not gonna let I'm not going to get in the way of the game. Because you know, I wanna have a little. Back and forth. Patrick beverley. I'm Kevin Durant. No way. No way. Let me tell you something, Dan. Right. I know is there right? I know who he is. And let me tell you something right now, we gotta hold. Kevin Durant a certain standard. I get this. But you don't do. So. Well, forgetting the fact that this guy is a career twenty seven point per game storeroom. Let me remind Jolla who the hell. Kevin Durant is he is one of the prolific one of the elite scores. The game of basketball has ever seen. Ever. So what he takes the time to sit back and explain exactly what is transpiring while he has the ball in his hands. He is not to be insulted. He is to be appreciated for that. And anybody in the media who would denigrate him for explaining things the way he broke it down yesterday should be ashamed of themselves. We asked for truth we asked when -cation we ask for somebody to provide the insight and the honest perspective about the game. That's what the hell. He gave us. And we should be appreciative of it. 'cause I know I am I appreciate it him breakdown. Patrick Beverley the past Patrick Beverley getting up onto me. But ladies, join me also got somebody waiting in the later case. I'll put the ball on the floor and try to take them off the dribble because that's not gonna work to my advantage. He sing all of these things. While he's saying all of these things he's not wrong about that. Here's where I disagree with. Kevin durant? All be it. Respectfully. You all K D. We know who you are. You dare right? We know who you are. And because we know who you are Kevin rain. Everything ain't always about the game plan from start to finish see the part where I can sit up there. And I can argue if I had the luxury of doing so if I could argue with Kevin Durant. Here's where I could argue about it, you trying to tell me the no circumstances as they ever been a point in your career where it's like give me the ball of move the hell out the way, I got this. You might not be able to do that another perspective sports team sports that is. But you damn sure do that a basketball. You can do it in basketball. Plays breakdown. Cats are not stepping up your personnel respond in the way that this opposed to all of this stuff is going on. There are moments on a basketball court. We're strategy goes out the window where it comes down to you being the supreme being that you are. Reminding folks that. There's a reason why Kevin Durant is walking into this summer. Looking forward to free agency. Do you have any idea laser there's no discussion as to whether or not he gets backs who go talk to Kevin Durant. About not getting the max if you don't come to him with the max, you're wasting time. I don't care whether you go to state or you're somebody else every dollar that you put on the table had better be the most you could offer. Because everybody and their mother knows if that ain't the case, you are wasting Kevin Durant tongue. Because he's great. And when you're that great. That's how we roll for you. So what I'm saying to you is that Kevin. That's not Patrick Beverley. Patrick. Beverley ladies gentlemen, is in the last year a deal making five million dollars. Kevin Durant is already pocketed over three to four hundred million dollars in his career. And he's about to get at least one hundred and fifty two hundred more. Which basketball we talk about the rest of stuff? If everybody is equal and see this is the part where I disagree with some of these stars. Kevin Durant abroad James and everybody else between respectfully respectfully I disagree with them. And I say respectfully because they're playing a game on there. Trying to win. I'm not playing they're great at what they do. Even though. I am great at what I do. But you know, what I'm saying? What I'm saying that they're the ones on the court. So you you can disagree with them. But still be deferential to them because they warrant at Garnett and deserve that level of respect my only retort to their respective positions. Would be this tell me there's never been a time your career with strategy and team and all of that stuff. Conceptually schematically doesn't get thrown out the window simply because your talent is superior to someone else's. I'm saying that applies here. You are. Kevin durant? You're going against the clippers tonight at the staple center. I spent Kevin to rent to destroy whoever is in his path. He's kevin. I know who you are y'all know who he is you damn right? We do. He's Kevin the right? And I don't have to go to Steve Kerr anything like that. I'm simply saying he so surreal and so elite as a talent simply playing alone and following the game plan sometimes isn't good enough. And when it isn't good enough. The reason why Kevin Durant is get paid thirty million. Patrick Beverley getting paid. Because Kevin the Durant and say, okay, Dan strategy. John J C sorta like me. There are people who do this job. Do it quite well, they have energy the information. They're detaining do all of these things. But there's levels to this. There are a lot of folks. And then there's a class that Stephen as in. I believe. Abide. Can't be me for bed over say jaycee. Sorry sound so cocky, this is true. They sometimes got Joan. Can't be me. So as a result of that, guess what? Everybody can't be Katie. And tonight. Nobody needs to be K D. That's my personal -bly. But I respect what he broke down, and he wasn't role and more importantly than anything. We should be grateful in appreciative. That he explained it. Because the fact of the matter is, ladies and gentlemen, when you on a level of Katie you don't have to explain. So I'm personally extending a hand of gratitude to him. And I'm very to him. Explaining what he explained because he wasn't lying. He broke it down and as basketball talk. He said he just wanted to play basketball and talk basketball. It was getting irritated with everybody talking about free agency. And then you know, what he did he came out. And that's exactly what he did. He talked to us about basketball. We had conversations all day Dan, free agency to LA we'll get to that. After the season Kevin to read and these other stars talk basketball like that we owe it to them to focus on basketball when they educate and us like that. I love that. I really really do. And I'm grateful to him talking to us about that editing say ESPN, it's inundate seven to nine three seven seven six that was straight talk wireless nationwide coverage in America's largest and most dependable for G L networks, we'll get to your phone calls and more before my man. They'll Kuyper junior comes on to jump start our number two right here with Steven A ESPN radio ESPN news about away when you're hiring. You don't wanna waste time. So they do dozens of irrelevant resumes. Do you want an efficient way to get to a shortlist of qualified candidates? That's why you need indeed dot com post a job in minutes. 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Hour 1: Kevin Durant

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Hour 1: Kevin Durant

"Bedale podcast is brought to you by the new Capital One saver card or four percent cashback on dining entertainment two percent at grocery stores. One percents on all purchases. What's in your wallet? DC's the Dan lebatardshow with Stu got spot Cass. We're all little bit happier around here when STAN van Gundy's jovial curmudgeon self makes an appearance want to establish during these NBA play-offs, the credentials of this Van Gundy, basketball royalty. Maybe could have had the warriors job didn't have the vision for chose the pistons. Instead and now works next to us on Thursdays shows the power Steve Kerr could've been Walton. Instead chose power money a good relationship with a good owner. And it was a horrific decision regardless. You will get his playoff analysis. Morning stay. We will go. Good morning. Yeah. That was a great intro free. She ate it. All right. Well, I wanna get into basketball stuff with you. And we certainly will over time. But corporate Michael here has told me that tickets are on sale, and I have to interrupt what we're doing. And frankly, I'm citing more and more with Michael every day because our fans have gotten real entitled telling us that, you know, the show has jumped the shark, and we're going out to expand it and now corporate Michael's initiative here is something we gotta support before we get to the content. I am wearing a collared shirt for the second time in three days all part of getting behind Michael and GI. All right. I mean, that's what I'm doing. So this is going to be a great event, I'm serious because we are doing a live show for a live audience that could only be heard at a theater in New York City. This is exciting. I am going to do weekend. Odds of Asians ally. Grammercy Grammercy theater of the mind Grammercy on may. Eighteenth. Tickets are available right now. Go to university dot com slash labrador nineteen this is the first of what we hope or many events around the country. So if you're in the northeast if your train ride away from New York, if you're a fan of us that listens in New York City police come out grab some tickets. It's going to be really cool event. There's a meet and greet included in your ticket price. We're going to have a really fun evening. And a lot of surprises are in store. We have a lot of that have already RSVP to this event. It's not just an in Stu, so universe dot com slash lebatardshow nineteen and basically tonight to party with us in New York is what it is. And so that's the sales pitch back to our previous coverage unless gambles got something important. I'm wondering since you're going to Broadway like we eligible for Tony. Or what are we doing? Can we sing? Good question. I am happy that you mentioned that because while most radio shows that do live events they just do their normal show. And people awkwardly watched them we're trying not to do that. We're trying to do an original stage production with a theater experience in mind Broadway show, I may juggle. The Tony excited. Okay. But the appeal is that you could do shots with stugatz afterward. That's what the real appeal is the rest of the stuff is just going to be, you know, us entertaining ourselves. And if that wasn't enough guys the Paul finebaum ticket and the magic a content will also be making the trip who state knows I'm sorry. That's not going in my carry on. Care. Put it in my carry on somebody to the Instagram story gets confiscated, and I can't get there. You're going to do proudly are. That's right. I'll take I am promising to take the fine. The money. That's in the fine. But I don't think. I don't think show sustained bent Gundy is the only person at this network. Okay. And I want this stated on the front end right now. He's the only one as you see all of ESPN experts experts picked the Tampa Bay Lightning to win that series through. God's your whole all of the experts. There's only one guy there's everybody all over the network telling you, oh, the warriors this. I'm not sure about their infighting. But no one saying it flatly at the network. The warriors are going to lose. Yeah. No one's saying it STAN has been saying it he's been saying it for a while. Now I disagree with him. But STAN has been the guy saying listen something's not right here. And I think there are better teams in the east and Brampton team out west that might be better than the war. What did you see in game two because I expect the warriors as everyone does to win that series. I don't think you don't expect the clippers to win that series. Do you stand? No, no, not even close that'll be that might be the last one. They get probably will. Be the last one they get. And so you saw what in game two that that would echo what you've said for a while that you can believe this team will just turn it on when it matters but bad practice habits for a season show up late in games yet. Look, I don't want to give away too much because my nuggets today are on the warriors. But I will say I don't I think what you see in game two and we've seen throughout the year is they don't really have the ability to just turn it on and off whenever they want. You know, they have had some really really bad moments this season. And they have not been able to flip the switch. I still say the warriors best is better than anyone else's best. But I'm not sure they can summon their best as easily as they think they can Mike Ryan. Or is this Michael Ryan, what is what are you getting via Email here? Are we already ticket update in our we sold out already, please? And it's Michael are we sold out your Michael now as my you've not heard this g. He's gone big time on us global expansion initiative. Sounds like Dan going to a Chinese buffet. But it's actually are show. Then you better muffled that laughter. Big boy, you'd better mother a good one. That was really good. I liked that. So let's do the nuggets. Let's do them right now. I don't wanna wait anymore right now. Let's the earliest we've ever done. The no earliest wanna please. Because I think they just sold us out in four minutes. Let's go ahead. And now time for STAN goodies top it'd be eight nuggets owning Thursday show. The biggie. It took fifteen years for this show to sell out and today, it took the last four minutes that is official this show has officially sold out. Even if we haven't sold on tickets. It sounds like we broke the browse Tony award collision Gore's, so STAN van Gundy's nuggets are warriors themes. So the third best nugget from STAN Van Gundy is the clippers is story comeback victory in game. To continue continued. The warriors puzzling struggles at home this year. The warriors lost six home games by twenty or more points more than the past fourteen NBA champions combined. No NBA champion has ever lost more than two regular season home games by twenty or more points. Oh, hey rolling around the big stuff early to better than that stand. The second. Best nugget is. Demarcus cousins unfortunate injury was the latest example of mounting injuries, and miss games that have to be affecting the warriors chemistry and rhythm. The three starters who have been the warriors core curry Thompson and green and their to reliable subsequent all in Livingston missed only seven seventy one games in the first three years of this five-year run an average of four point seven games per player per year over the past two seasons. Those same five players have missed on average three times as many games almost fifteen games year per player. Stuff with backs. The only person that this network saying the warriors will lose because of all this stuff is STAN Van Gundy. Now, he's throwing facts in your face with the nuggets and the best nugget of the week is what is up with Kevin Durant's reluctance to shoot the ball. This is now been going on for a month. Durant took only eight shots in game two the sixth time in his last fourteen regular season in playoff games, he has had single digit shout attempts. That is the exact same number of times. He had taken fewer than ten shots in his previous two hundred thirty two games with the warriors. Dan is he checked out? Like is that what that is that? I don't know. It is really really strange. I mean, this is a guy who you know on the year. He's average in. He averaged eighteen point eight almost one thousand nine shot attempts to game and over the last twelve regular season games in the first two playoff games. The average is twelve shots a game. I mean, he he's just not even a tempting to do much of anything right now. I have no idea the reason behind it. But it is puzzling. And they need Kevin Durant to be a lot better than he's been over the last month if they're going to repeat. It's happening, Dan. What's happening K D to the Knicks? I mean, it seems like it, it seems it's it's I mean, he sixty minutes talks to them and the only news item that he has PIN used was given Durant sitting there sulking not wanting to be doing the interview. He just said it was totally spaced out during the interview. And and stand a superstar taking that few shots when this surrounds them that that's the stuff that becomes suspicious right fill. It does. I mean, you just wonder if he like you said if he's mentally sorta checked out, and is just writing out the string here that doesn't jibe with anything that we've seen with Kevin Durant before even when he was in Oklahoma City, and you know, and probably knew there was a good chance. He was heading out. He didn't play like this. So I don't really know the reason, and I I don't want lock in to say, this is a guy checked out it, but it certainly could be and it's puzzling. For a guy this good, probably the best pure score outside of harden at least in the league. And he's not trying to score. So Godsey if you're like me unorganized. Don't plan things. The last minute you need tickets to a big game or concert. You don't think about until the day of I'm telling you the place that has bailed me out. The most often every time is vivid seats, vivid seats is an online event ticket marketplace dedicated to providing fans of live entertainment with experiences that lasts a lifetime with vivid seats listeners can watch their favorite teams and artists performing person, vivid seats helps fans find their seats any of their favorite live events, including sports, concerts, theater and more vivid seats offers great prices and an easy purchasing experience. 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So he switched and saved a bunch, which was awesome donlevatar. The best nugget that STAN Van Gundy heads regarding defense is stugatz. Hop defensive teams in the league defend now goes against conventional wisdom most team seeped focused. Three the top three defensive teams in the league, Milwaukee, Indiana. This is two weeks. Guys missing with my nuggets. I'm starting to get pissed off. Route. Knowingly specked whatsoever on oh my God this awful. Alright. A minute respect the nuggets my kidding dignified. NBA fired coach deserves well probably the respected. I'm getting but but nonetheless, I want to be treated with more respect this is live at our show with the stugatz on ESPN radio. So we'll get to this. Kevin Durant sound in a second. It's a stand Van Gundy Thursday, we love having the coach around and he's got a lot of information. The games have been pretty terrible. So far, they're not close. They're not interesting. There have been a couple of surprises. But they haven't been very good game. I wouldn't want to watch, you know, casually. What we've gotten from these playoffs so far, but we will talk to STAN Van Gundy about that in a second. But first a global initiative Michael has scored a major victory here as part of his selling out effort and. Our sought selling out. It's our selling out selling out. Well, it literally sold out. So don't tell me didn't sell out like it sold out in two minutes that selling out what else is it. If it's not selling out global expansion. We told New York have come drink a shot was due got sold out to got spent this entire break saying, I need a few tickets. I'm going to scalp them like I'm going to be outside the Gramercy theatre seeing how much money I can get tickets because now you're not going to be able to get any like they sold out real quick Yemen's sitting there ripping everybody in the background because it's all gone to his head already. What's face on these tickets? What is it fifty dollars fifty dollars all inclusive? No additional fees, and that includes the meet-and-greet. Fifty five zero five zero. Well, you shave the inner fifty you should have heard. Fifty. You should have heard who got during the break up because God's is played the result guy in every walk of life. Yeah. Actually said to Mike Ryan, you blew it to small theater, we should have started with the Rose Bowl. The absurd. Remind me. One five. Five. Oh, and what do they get for that original stage production? Drink a shot at tequila was to God's. That's what you get. Maybe some surprise the Paul finebaum. It's going to be there. Look, we just sold something without even knowing what it was none of us in here. We just got to produce a show. Now, Michael this is what just happened all of us are looking around like how did we sell out? What did we just sell out? We don't know what it is. Exactly. I'm not even certain I could make. So despite our global. Incompetent in every way. So let me tell you right now the audience yet. Lest you think that you're expecting something grandiose for your fifty dollars five. Oh, we don't know. What the hell? It is right now we will in six weeks, and we will drink with you afterward at the very least it's going to be a surprise to everyone. Yes. That'd be promised surprises. And we're going to be in on it. I sensed you during the break. Okay. Because you're funny and stand you have found Geir MO four weeks. You have found what I have seen in gear mo- develop over the the years here, which is that he gets very afraid very fast. And so the bigger this thing gets the more scared Guillermo gets that he's performing like, I feel it off of you already. You're already fearing six weeks from now because we don't know what the hell it is yet. Okay. Could be a little scary. Just roll with it Bill here. We'll put on a show me. God sleep. Why? It's so scary to you. Because I don't know what this thing is that we just sold out. But we're going to be in New York in a month and look at look at global initiative Mike taking a victory lap. Emails. All around the building looked at him as relations. Says relations. Mr. Williamson is name is actually norby. That's a real thing. Norby? Hold that thought. Let's sell some ads. I think we'd sell the Rosebowl Hough. I think my father just said asked them didn't. He sounds like it. Yeah. Donlevatar? Why doesn't Bob Costas? Go by Robert because he strikes me as someone who's not a nickname guy. Like, I'm surprised. He's not Robert middle initial cost us whenever he does reports. Can you imagine if he were body cautious? No way. Bob, Costas definitely has group texts. Whereas friends you like Bob AA. What are you doing this weekend? See hates that you only the people that hate him. Call him, Bobby? Stugatz. I can't even say his middle name it so fancy. Robert Quinlan Costas, all exactly. Robert q Costas. Bob, Q Kostas doesn't the group chat. Call him. 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Had an uncommonly successful acting career has he not like in terms of athletes who go into the movies is Jim Brown, the best of them that that actually arrack. Thank you. Yes. Yes. But he was a collegiate athlete. The the rock was not a professional athlete as a professional wrestler. But to go. Okay. Fair enough you want from the four majors or something like that real enough. I'm just looking for more than I'm actually asking for information on John seen like how good is his acting career been because he keeps getting part that's a big time role. He's doing some of the comedy stuff. And he's following the template laid before him by the rock doing this. When he's a little older in age becoming the action star. That's displayed some comedy chops were the van Gundy's kids wrestling fans. Stan. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. But I mean it was way before this stuff. I mean, I I grew up I'm old now. So I grew up with the haystack Calhoun and Kenji Shibuya. And, you know, Mr. Saito MAC, you know, little bit racist back then with the restaurants. Ration-, but but the wrestling itself. Yeah, we grew up with what was the most racist. Like, I thought it was. Well, let me on those Japanese guys. I mean, you know, we're we're all. Fortunate. So fortunate. Junkyard dog. A blue question whitewashing or triple I batter. Here's a blue one. Its success is going to Michael's head. I'll get to the content in a second. But it's going to his head. And and sometimes the magic creative content serves him, and he just sold out our show, he sold the show out literally and sold our soul, and it happened very quickly here. And now the fans are mad at us. Okay. And I'll get to that in a second. Also, get a fan despite being mad at us willing to pay seventeen hundred dollars to get them to come to his wedding. Because evidently, you guys will just give us money. Even when we don't want it because we don't know just sold out any sold out for fifty dollars. What's the question? Seventeen hundred American dollars who is the most famous person you have ever met who was the most famous person you have ever met man begging me for that. Michael Jordan story in China. It's a pretty good one that is against Michael, Jordan. Then. George r r Martin. I mean, that's pretty good right now, pretty good, STAN. How about you who would be the most famous person you've ever had in your company, Barack Obama the home? And I mean, Jack white. Last stand gun ended who's winning this Martin summers is Barack Obama beat Michael Jordan? I don't even know does he cues? I met Michael Jordan too. So. Pocketing with Michael Jordan. Did you go to China with Michael Jordan? I did not know didn't go to well, actually, I have been to China. But not with Michael Jordan, probably Mr. Petar for me. That's the president of the company. Thank you, my so Billy I want to get into. This was a blatant suck up. Right. These eight. He is running afoul of everyone. Here it stand was here. I by the way, the relationship between STAN and Mike has been tense forever. Right. Like you guys. He he he disrespects you, Doug. It's you don't like it does do that. And then I, you know, and then I disrespected Baker Mayfield his his God his icon. So yeah, we've had our moments disrespected him by denying that he had the good student, and he proved you wrong by setting a passing touchdown record for rookie. Despite not starting all six Louis Riddick says the Browns are going to win eleven games this season. Boy, good. I thought you were going to fall for the Photoshop Photoshop that big capita there. Eleven games. So the spring into action. Thank you for all was protecting me to our fans who are upset right now. We will get to this. Kevin Durant stuff in a sec. Okay. Our apologies. I'm going to be as transparent about this is honest and vulnerable about this is I can be okay. We are very proud that. You support is the way you do. We cannot believe that you do. So honestly because we don't know what we just sold out. We just told you we were coming to New York. And you've you gave us fifty dollars. A mean as yelling he's yelling back there that how could you guys get fifty dollars? You didn't even tell people what it was. And here's the only people who were upset. I can't get tickets. I can't give you my fifty dollars for this thing. I don't know what it is. I can't give you. So now, they're mad at us. Because they think we're laughing at them. We are not laughing at him. We did not expect any of that to happen. It was totally vulnerable. We don't know what we're doing. We make it proof every day that we're stumbling around and it was hugely vulnerable. So you supporting it makes us feel. Hugely supported we didn't mean to upset all of you people who were trying to give fifty dollars even though we didn't tell you. What the hell it was. But stugotz has spent the entire damn break. My figuring out how now because he's just got access to this. How does he get people to just pay fifty dollars to Senator table and drink with him? And how does he make it just go through like a turnstile where he could just sit there having drinks fifty dollars a shot while there's still hope I off because if you find me in the surrounding area before the event, those fifty dollar tickets, I will have them on me. It will cost you one hundred and fifty dollars. But I will have the, mommy. So there's still hope there's still a chance, but people are offering me two hundred dollars just to do a shot with me. That's all they want to do is just to shot with me. And I have to take that money. It's harmful. Dollars you sold only for fifty dollars the ability to be near Stu gods. Drinking. The army was just going back round. Second mortgages. Everyone in the army as a second mortgage. Now. Now, Michael you said that they're going to be VIP experiences to the people have to pay extra for those VIP experience. It was a flat rate of everything is inclusive. Everything we don't know that it is. Everyone's VIP. So fifty dollars covers everything. Yeah. You get the meet-and-greet, and we will have some special edition merch specially made for that. That doesn't come with. You're gonna have to pay extra now that we know what the smart is. How can everyone be a VIP because we're gonna treat them all like, we only sold five hundred tickets and the rest of the people get left out. Whoa. Don't poop who've only five hundred this is a big time venue in New York City. It's a famous venue the grammars when I was there touring the venue deciding whether or not we should do this. This is one all this executive stuff started happening right there. I was there touring Judd appetite was playing the Gramercy theatre. I'm not sure if he sold it out in two minutes like we did. Are we today or well? Here's the thing. No. I understand that this has been totally self absorbed. But now, I'm going to get even more self absorbed as it relates to you Billy in keeping with this thing. That's happened around the show that none of us expected fifteen years ago, if we're being totally honest, none of us sought any of this. You just got offered by a guy who keeps upping his price seventeen hundred dollars in gift cards to go to your wedding. Now, you think about that for a second. Who who is that person? Why is that happening and how high is that person going to go because I heard you talking to Mike? What do I do? I don't know what to do and Michael's response. Was you take it what you do on the day of love is you sell out there too. That was that was off the record. I said you tell them chicken or beef. But on the record there's a compliance video on this very. The value is over seventy dollars. So well, here's my video for compliance. You tell them seventeen hundred dollars straight cash, and he's in a guy that's out thinking about renewing my vows of that. It's a strange situation because I keep getting sent messages, and it started at something like five hundred dollars. And then it was even explained to me how it was going to be broken down and gift cards. So it's going to be twenty dollars gift card fifty dollars gift card, and honestly, I don't know who has access to all these gift cards. We're just kind of suspicious to begin with. But I haven't responded once and about once every three or four days, I get a new offer. And every time it's the final offer. And every offer is so much more than the last. And I think now we're by up to seventeen hundred dollars. No, plus one I don't even remember what the last thing was I didn't know what to tell this person. You better talk has better talk to your fiancee. Listen to me gift cards are a funny game though because these could be gift cards. You know, what I mean, he just has been evident filled with gift cards with no value that he took from public on the poll gift you can give cards be a funny game. Still wants a new boat time for some more ads is right about that. Then you gotta check you get a scan the gift card to make sure that it's actually money on the gift card. Don't ask me. Why? No so much about this. I heard it from I want you to look at how look look at Michael he's not even paying attention to the show anymore. He's just taking a victory lap. All around the building through Email. He's just getting patted on the back. He's loving it. He has had this reinforced. Now, his big executive venture that went to New York to put together this thing that none of us know what it is just sold out in two minutes. Looking at me. I'd like to have our producer bag. I would to the official timekeeper of the NBA is also the official timekeeper. Man. He is. A couple of steps from Petar donlevatar. I feel terrible. Here's thing with you. You don't actually feel terrible. I didn't feel thank you know. You really care. I know you announcing I feel terrible. As just your way to move onto the next terrible thing, you're gonna do to guts. They're just words and words mean nothing they don't mean. Nothing. His words me words. Nothing words are just transitions to your next lie. That's so right. They're not words. They are bridges to lies these live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio. So this Kevin Durant sound, and I have found the warriors fascinating for a number of different reasons. They remain fascinating to me. Although those Miami Heat team sort of changed the paradigm in terms of how we covered basketball where every week during the regular season, somehow meant something, I know a lot of people are tired of the warriors. It seems like the warriors are tired of the warriors. Kevin Durant sound here. This is not how he could have expected this to go where he'd wind the. Championships. But at the end he'd be pissed off at everybody snarling and everybody yelling at the media and doing something. And I remember when STAN Van Gundy didn't like that the circus show that the Miami Heat did with LeBron and Wade and Bosch coming out the way they did. I remember STAN Van Gundy loving the way. Kevin durant? Did it just went to the gym and re-signed quiet extension and stand you love that that that was you don't have any time for all the pomp and ceremony. You just love the Kevin Durant. Was that guy? He ain't that guy anymore. Like, whatever it is. You thought that was this Golden State experience. He's become a champion. But he's bitter. Like, this doesn't seem like it's been happy to him in any way stand. Like just he thought it was going to be something different. Yeah. I thought the first year when they you know, that he was there and they won the championship. I thought he was extremely happy last year a little less, so and you're right. This. Year. Does not seem like it's been a good experience whatsoever for him. So I'm going to play this sound from Durant because it's a fairly amazing thing to say if I told you three years ago. Hey, look, this is what's going to happen that guy that just lost to Golden State? He had them up three one. And now he's going to go join them and that team when he gets there is going to win and win again. And then be good enough to clearly win again. But at the end, he's going to be so tired of at all that he doesn't want to be around it anymore. And he's not taking shots in games that team that was doing plenty of winning before he got there. Correct. And so the the store has been interesting to see him sort of swallowed somehow by the winning and spinning at people. But before we get to that corporate Michael Ryan has been taking. He has been taking big three lap around the company because he he sold our soul in in two minutes sold our soul in two minutes and he's taking a victory lap. And he just wants to make he wants to thank the fans real quick. Yeah. Well, look, especially for me. It hasn't been an easy. Couple of weeks. I've seen the mentions and I've seen the red at and you guys are obviously very mad at the direction the shows go on. But yet still you support our show it, it's it's true. Global expansion initiative. We're trying to grow this and do stuff for you also to sell this thing out in two minutes. I'd really just from the bottom. My heart would like to thank all the fans out there for nothing. Into. I've been waiting for someone to sell out with years. Okay. He just left the room after nodding his tie and the camera. Roy can you play this? Kevin Durant sound for the audience, please. Because STAN I I'd be curious. What your thoughts were on? Kevin Durant reminding everyone that Patrick Beverley is not Kevin Durant. I get the ball. Patrick Beverley who's up underneath me, definitely shoot. Over the top score. Every time a one on one situation, but we got his chopping and help. And then we've got another guy that's sitting on the way from you to the basketball with the basketball and the floor. I you know, I could probably make forty three percent on my shots if I shoot shooting like that. But that's not really won't do nothing the outcome of a game. You know, 'cause we got a nice floor by touching a rough by shooting scoring. So I'm not going. I'm not going to get in the way of the game. Because you know, I want to have a little back and forth. Patrick beverley. I'm Kevin Durant. No way. The end of that. Stan, I'm Kevin Durant. I've got no time for Patrick Beverley. I actually liked it. I liked the fact I not that. I don't like him being disrespectful to Patrick Beverley. And I'm not even sure that's what he meant to be. But it was just this idea that, you know, hey, somebody can stop me come on. You know, what he makes? He makes it is. Absolutely. What he meant to do.

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And we continue here this morning. We welcome you back to get. Another live hour is on the way live from the seaport district beer seventeen. As always brought to you by chase with Dan Orlovsky, Jay Williams, and Richard Jefferson. You know, who's standing by Kevin Durant up bright and early out in the bay area this morning, and he's ready to go live with us in a moment. After two point win last night. We're actually get up with Kevin Durant. And he is going to get up with you two point warriors win k v joins us live right off the top of the hour here talking about his season and his new TV show. Plus Magic Johnson had one very arch word to sum up the entire Anthony Davis situation, you'll hear that word, and we'll tell you what it means for the Lakers future. Plus all the fame quarterback be about to add that guy to his arsenal. Looks that way. If he does look out that story on the way in this hour of get up which starts right now. And it starts with the warriors Klay Thompson and Golden State taken out of the heat and guys I guess the question of the morning is if all bounces off your head doing. Shooter. Do you get the assist doesn't matter of the candidate's sister or not boogie counts? It puts Potanin. Yeah. No. I I would want the assist I would want the person for the record does not go down the system for boogie cousins. Now, they keep going run last night. And I mean, a one of fourteen nothing wrong turns into a seventeen nothing run. When Josh Richardson does that. And then they would stay read what's nightfall movement here, and eventually his son whites is gonna throw down on may eighteenth threes spaces floor for Gaza, Gazon wise, how to get a gun. No. I couldn't agree. My baby. Did not look like they were ready to play starts at nine, gene. Nothing for the warriors would come all the way that quarter. Now, they're already buy one and airs K D whirling and Elena can't stop them warriors. Take three point lead just over a minute ago. Speak lead is one the rank back in his manned. Look if twain way and Jane, what do you think of all my God the way way with the hard way? Counts for two points in the heat a one point lead in and here's a slam dunk off defense again in Richardson, there that will back what we expect from D, wait. So I understand so the heater up three. And then we're going to ask Kevin Durant here in a minute how he winds up this open with his team down three in the final minute. Not switching out running towards that. He's got to go. They were worried about dream on. Remarkable that you would leave this guy that opens a knockdown his shot that ties the game now still tie game. Warriors, get another chance you see the clock there. Ten seconds nine seconds. They're going to want to double dribbling yourself Durant formally with the ball for ultimately gives the shot up. Boogie cousins draws a foul underneath he would make both free throws to make it a two point lead. But Qaisy you seem to hands on the ball there after the game Rich, Paul stuff straight to double dribble. Everybody can see those are tough calls to make. But everybody saw it's right there in front of everybody that should be violation and get it wasn't. And so it's false has got to draw a play again cousins made two thousand two they're down to five seconds. Four seconds. Three seconds Dionne one here for the win. Can't get it to go warriors. Hold on another huge come from behind win at home Durant. Thirty nine point six four and since FOX at. One of the best players in the world. And. Unbelievably talented, and and he just plays media. He he loves the game. He loves to play loose himself in the game. And I thought he did a great job of that tonight. Matt, of course was Steve Kerr talking about. Kevin Durant who has become the first player in NBA history to an MVP of the finals in his first two seasons where the team the only other player with four scoring titles in two finals NBP's is Michael Jordan Katie this year on pace to average over twenty-five game on fifty percent shooting for the seventh straight season. The only other two players ever to do that shack and Korean and since he joined the warriors K D scoring average and assist numbers have increased each year. This year is averaging twenty seven and a half points and a career high five point nine assists per game. And he is woken up bright and early to join us live from the bay area this morning, again, his new show debuts on ESPN plus tonight. We'll talk about that. And a whole lot more as Kevin Durant is live with us on get up this morning. Thank you for doing this K D. Good morning. How are you? Your morning, but we're pleased to have you. And I'm gonna turn you over to these guys to talk basketball in the second, and we'll get to the new show. But I just want to start the conversation with this as you guys have wrought boogie cousins into the mix. You basically dominated the NBA each of the last two years and won the championship. Now, you add cousins and you've won fifteen out of sixteen. How would you compare? How good your team is right now to the teams you've had the last two seasons. Just a different group different dynamic. I think, you know, at in the markets to the groups and my debt can score and the low block just gives us a different just a different vibe around the team, and you know, and less as play different ways out there. So we're just trying to get better every single game. And I think we're integrating him produce move. Katie you guys obviously have dealt with a lot of static around this team. A lot of people asking the ton of questions about futures of each individual players, but have you guys kind of collectively dealt with all that. What a game is the most important thing when you get lost in the game. Whether it's shoot around in or game. It takes your mind away from all that other stuff. And we got a lot of players. I just love to play Katie, Richard Jefferson hair. I just wanted to I wanted to kind of ask you a question. What is it like going onto the court knowing that you are expected to win? And I know you always expect to win. But there's a very big difference between trying to prove something like, hey, I can win a championship. You've done multiple times now. But what is the different saying that I am expected? What is the motivation kind of there? Now. Was just take the motion out of the game. And you kind of not formula with was supposed to go out there to get a W. And you know, once you focus just on that. Then, you know, the motions that a game where you know, different runs. You don't really dive too deep into it. You just, you know, stay poised through everything. And you have a veteran group like that who's been through battles you understand as in flows over season of a game. And you know, you just know how to handle those things better. Kenny. What kind of things Steve Kerr doing locker room to kind of make tensions less right? Obviously. You got you're dealing with a lot of outside stuff. What people always come at the team. What kind of ways has he talked you guys through this whole process. Well, just about keeping things simple. You know? Always you know, you know, it goes back down to just make an extra pass when we think about stuff like that. They won't have time to worry about anything else off the court. So you know, we always trying to find extra pass to a great shot. And you know, I think that's that's what basketball is about. And once we dive deep into basketball, then you know, the rumors and everything else was around the team. Nobody don't mean. Too much. It's interesting that Steve is the coach of this team. Because he of course knows what it is to three peat having done that with the bulls and the late ninety s and I was a reporter covering that team. And I always marveled at their ability in particular, Michael Jordan's ability to make every game feel important, despite the fact that you were to defending champs, everyone is giving you their best shot every single night. And you know, the biggest games are still in front of you. Where does your team find the motivation night in night out to try to be your best? Was trying to be dominant on every single night. You know, we like I said, we know the formula to success for us as a group, but you know, trying to get up every night to be dominant. That's a tough thing. Mentally, and I think we've done such a great job over the last month, or so I was just locking in trying to be the best that we can be Katie. I see those two finals MVP trophies behind you. Pretty incredible, man. What sets you apart mentality wise different than you think some of your contemporaries. Real know what goes on in their minds. But for me is just just trying to see how it can be perfect every time down. I know that's impossible. But if I strive towards it, then you know, I give myself a goal to reach and keeps me like that. And every possession as well. So it's fun trying to figure things out on both ends of the floor. And I'm learning so much as a player and as a leader. And you know, so I'm just trying to keep getting better everything night after the game last Wednesday night, you I'm not sure what the right word for its blew off. Some steam expressed a lot of frustration with things that have been going on around you and some of the reports and things like that where did that come from? Well, when you got beat writers they're into practice and the games. And you know, you you build relationships with these guys in person, you know, just wanted to let them know how push the game as a player known, and I have to talk to media. And you know, if I get opportunity to talk to media, I wanna get a fan as my perspective about the game, not about business stuff that you know, I can't control at this point. So I was just letting them know what I wanted to talk about when I come into practice or before she run out there game is that more of a home team where you feel like guys that are working for working around the warriors team are looking and fishing up. Or is this something that you deal with also when you go on the road in visitor's locker rooms, you have people coming in kind of asking the same question and just kind of fishing for stuff. There's more sort of be right is because they around you every single day, and they see just the pattern of who you are as a human and as a basketball player. So, you know, I just want guys to be truth to especially if they're going to walk up to me in the locker room out the games. And then go behind my back and rice stuff like that. You know, at least come talk to me. But it was good to get that off my chest. And let everybody know in the building, you know, if you covering the team about, and I think everybody understands and we moved forward from it. All right. So so let's talk now about all of that. Because the reality is no matter what anyone wants to have happened like half the teams in the league would give anything to have Kevin Durant down their team next year. So how do you compartmentalize that how do you put that stuff into the into the future into your summer and focus day in day out? And what you need to get done for this team this season. Or I know how good I am. And I know the demand on my skills in the league. So I I start thinking about their stuff years years ago. So I just come in there and go to work and try to get better as a player every day and help my teammates as much as possible. But you know, I I know how to focus on basketball. So what's something that never used to happen in the NBA? That is now a new phenomenon is that when you go to visiting arenas where they want you to sign their these fans let you know what they cheer for you. I've just would be curious you're the first generation of star that ever had this. What is it like to be an visiting Rena? And to be received the way you sometimes are on the road. Now by fans who are hoping that eventually you will become a member of their team. Were fans one day. They cheer you on day. They blew you. So, you know, just try to focus on basketball and not get too tied up into it. You know, I appreciate the passion for the game. But you know, I enjoy just locking near my teammates and coaches to finish the night off. Okay. So let's talk about the new show. Jay will is whether it's here, we new show with Jay Williams featured on ESPN. Plus, it's called the boardroom. It explains the ins and outs of sports business and eliminates the world of sports far beyond what fans ordinarily see, we're gonna show you a little excerpt here where you were sitting with among others Kyle Kuzma. I'm hoover. So I if I'm comfortable in it. And then I'm Rockwood if a crazy business because like I could see what coups is right now. But I can see the way he works kids about the game. And the way he loves the game. I can see him core from the merged into a signature shoe. And like the crazy part about it is like you. Go inspired so many people because you're twenty seven pick a lot of people can't do what you do. Because you you you came into Los Angeles your second year, you're playing with the biggest star in sports, you had a great rookie year, you can parlay that into a shoe everything. That's like he goes back to what he said is tailor fit for just him. Yeah. I was so impressed by just how diverse their portfolio was of everything all the guys that they knew and guess, Katie. When did this start for you that because I know you I know how you take basketball. So seriously all the time, and when did you start to actually pay attention to while? There's this incredible business around the sport. And I want to actually start to play in that world. Just saying so me and my peers just taking advantage of the opportunities. They had in their in their cities. And you know, starting to do the things they're passionate about outside of basketball in a lot of the veteran. Teammates that had over the years of set themselves up well for life after ballers, you know, so I try to do my best, and, you know, bringing people together to just have conversations about, you know, pushing the game for pushing a coach afford as a basketball player, and it was exciting just to hear everybody's perspective. And we struggled regularly here to try and keep Jay Williams sort of focused, and and doing all the things that we need to do was he is difficult to work with their as he is with us regularly. It's pretty easy to work with us. Why he was such a great point guard. I do. We could have gone without Jiang because we beat them in. It's. We knocking about. Okay. So I need to do this. What we have here again ESPN, plus the show tonight. The first two episodes of the boardroom are now available on ESPN. Plus you can log on to start your subscription today. All right, Richard Jefferson and your youth. You were a terrific defender. Tell me one on one how you stopping Kevin Durant. When you were at us about heaven. Stop your brakes. You can hear one. Eighty K D now what stop? That's not nice, listen. So I'll say this. I remember his rookie year when he was in Seattle me and Jake kid he steps on the court and media kit or next week. He checks it. We both looked up at him. Like this. You know, he's talked. This is still his he remembers. I was like we were looking at him. And it was like, oh, yeah. This is going to be a problem is going to be a problem. No. It's really he's done such a good job. Even though he's on the kind of wire restrung side. He's such a good job of really giving himself such a complete game. There is no stopping. Okay. Who was the toughest guy who all the players you've ever gone against who has been the toughest defender who has done the best job of shutting you down one on one. Soda me down about that was making a tough on. We told me out in buffers greatest defender of of a play games. Yeah. Tony, Tony Allen was awesome. But yet, they're they're just there's there's too many skills that you can make him do things. And then it just because he's seven feet tall. Don't say six eleven. He's seven feet tall. Just makes it look easy. There's only certain people that have this to use the word shutdown. He's not going to take that. Right. He's like new versa. Nobody can shut me down. That's what you have to love about him. Right. He's that old school competitive. Our staff laughed so loudly allowed at that very notion that I couldn't even hear the answer. And so a quick final thought you're getting set to go to the all star game here. Lebron made you the very first pick. What was your reaction to that? And how are you looking forward to playing with him and and getting together for another all star game? Excited to be voted into being a starter. I appreciate all the love and support throughout the years, especially this season to be on LeBron's team with all that great Thailand is going to be amazing just work with those guys the next couple of days on throughout the weekend. And hopefully get this w on Sunday. So I'm looking forward to all right. I will repeat the first episodes of the boardroom are available now on ESPN. Plus you can log on you can start your subscription today. It's Kevin Durant. It's Jay will and many more, by the way, Katie average, twenty six points a game against Tony Allen. There's that right. There you go. That'd be shut him down. Thank you. Kevin. Thanks for doing this. Good luck. With the new show. We'll see at the all star game. Thanks, very much Arcady Preuss. Preuss Kevin Durant. And so interesting, look, he's he's he's such a to me. It's such an interesting person. One of the reasons that the NBA is in the position that it's in now is going back now multiple decades they've done a very good job of allowing their superstars to be the league. And he is clearly become that what did you take away from that conversation? First and foremost, well, I'll tell you something I take away from the conversation. And this show is that he's vulnerable enough to be in the room with some brilliant minds and beautiful part about katie's that he doesn't come across preachy. Right. It's not like, I'm telling you. What to do? I'm telling you how to run business. He's you kind of learning with him. You're learning with all of us this whole process. We're trying to gain information. I think that's the beautiful part about his personality. He's a savage twenty four seven on the court. But off the court. He also wants to continue to learn and what I like about it is that when you look at generations. You've got a guy like Michael Jordan that created the Jordan brand. And you see Tiger Woods kinda take it from there. And even LeBron James LeBron is doing now k D's Kadian Bronner going to leave this. In a much better place. Where guys that are fifteen years old that are going to be the future superstars are looking the day. They get into this league to network and become businessmen into become executives. And I think a lot of that. And even he mentioned, he's like, hey, I saw my peers doing things, and I had ideas that I wanted to kind of maximize fair enough. Let's go back to the basketball piece of this though because I think that's what most of the audiences interested in what about his explanation for? He wanted to get that stuff off his chest last week to send a message to all of the reporters that'll be around him for the rest of the year. I'm not talking about this anymore. I get so frustrated with us, you know, ten years ago, he's here from reporters. Well, we won't athletes to be their authentic. So people you really are. And then athlete is there to sell them. And then send us an issue like it would bother a lot of people. And it's easy to sit on say don't let it bother you. I understand that. But all normal people in the day, and he spoke his mind he got through. And now he's on to the next. And this is what people have to understand, especially I learned this IMB living in New York where it was the New York Post the daily news star ledger where it was. All of the all of these everyone's fishing for a story. Everyone has to write something original. So sometimes people go through areas that they probably shouldn't try and get an original. It's what was the end of your career you played with LeBron James in Cleveland at a time when he was the biggest star in sports he remains that. And you saw him deal with that. How did you see him navigate it relative to the way Kevin is do well, even and that's crazy. Because in Cleveland, there's not as much like the brand brings that attention. It's definitely a circus. But it's just very very difficult even for bron-. I think he's a very closed off at times like he only talks to certain people at certain times, he's very tactical with that. But I think it's just it's taxing on any player having to constantly deal with all sorts of issues like ham and Katie have to do or maybe that's why Braun and you create it uninterrupted. So he has his own platform. So he could tell you what he actually thinks his words and are going to be twisted. He loved on his Derek Jeter has done this Kate. He's doing this with the boardroom. People are starting to find their own vehicle in prison to say, you can't there's no conjecture anymore. This is how I feel and there's an element. Of enormous truth to what Steve Kerr said the other day on some level. Everyone is just sort of players in this big soap opera, we all have our role to fill the coaches, do the players do the media does and everything else. Okay. That was interesting. I have something else. I want you to see here in case, you didn't this is meanwhile on planet, or it starts with sound listen to this pick a fight out of it while it's lit. Was kidding? Mobile the things. Then this is a man that has a life sized teepee in his backyard. There's a level of weird of that comes with Bill. You dare him to do RJ your really, Luke. Well, and tell me tell me a real quick good Bill won't story. You'll have to have a lot. I have time Bill called left a message, and I'm a freshman in college. And I'm out of my mind. I'm like, wow. Bill Walton's calling. My are call on the phone and the message, which is Luke can you please send this paper to this address and says the address multiple times on the Mike loop. Did you just move or something why did your dad leave the address twice? He's like, Richard. My parents are hippies. I was born in the downstairs bedroom in that house anytime he calls me. He leaves the address twice on the phone. And it's just like he just a weird. Do it's a good story. But can I just one thing out the man a fire on national television? Okay. Can we not bury the lead here? But can you just ate fire? But is that the weird thing he's done? I'm glad he didn't take his cert- off. Disagree with you. Until the weirdest thing I've ever seen any parlor trick he's used extra lube to give Jay Bilas a back. Rub. That's awkward. He's done operating. Now for Luke phrasing. Excellent quarterback be about to add that guy to his arsenals. It looks that way. And if he does look out, where's the Levy ongoing? We will tell you as we continue on get up. And then Magic Johnson at one very harsh word to sum up the entire Anthony Davis situation, you'll hear the word, and what it means for the future of the Lakers as we continue on ESPN. Huge half hour coming your way here on ESPN in five minutes. We will tell you where we expect Levy on bell the wind up next year and how much of a different team might make at nine forty five. Magic Johnson tells you what went along for the Lakers and at nine fifty is that were problem, but could stymie the Sixers answers to those and other questions as we continue our on the way on ESPN. Indeed knows finding the right hire takes time away from your business. Hiring unqualified data engineer felt like a second job more job seekers use indeed than any other sites. So there's no better place to find someone with the skills. You're looking for I needed someone with a masters in computer science and database experience. Plus indeed screener questions help you find your shortlist fast. Now, I'm back to having just one job could a fifty dollars credit to give your first job. Posting premium placement at indeed dot com slash credit. Terms, conditions, quality standards and usage limits apply. Additional terms online. More special guests on the way in this half hour getting up, but let's get back. Now, the bold predictions on ESPN dot com. Our NFL reporters all making predictions for their teams and two of them suggest their teams are going to get Levy on bell. Mike wells who covers the Texans and rob democracy who covers the Packers. Both say they expect their teams to make strong pushes for Levy on bell. Who will be I think it's safe to say the most sought after free agent and the NFL this year because by one standard of measure, and you see it right there. He's been the most productive skilled player ever is averaged one hundred twenty nine scrimmage yards per game. Most in NFL history of all players with at least fifty games. And so Dan Orlovsky in here with me this morning. What do you make of those do you like to fit in Houston? Do you like to fit in Green Bay? I don't like to fit in Houston. You know, if you'll get Houston. First of all Bill O'Brien hasn't been able to find a quarterback or keep a quarterback healthy, right? Running back is not going to help that greeny. You've got the Shawn Watson one of the most SP. Special young talents in the NFL yet last year in the playoffs. He was the most sect quarterback in the history of the NFL running backs. Don't help young quarterback stay upright offensive lineman. Do so let's find a way to get some offensive. I'm also somebody opposite deandre Hopkins. That was a big part of it. Now. I love him in Green Bay. I do if you look at Green Bay and go Kay. How many more years Aaron Rodgers have left probably three or four year window as one of the great one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL. Now, all he has on his team because rental cod going the frequency is. Devante adam. So we gotta find some weapons for Rogers. This is an offensive line. That's very good one of the top seven eight offensive lines in the NFL yet they lack a running game. So you get a guy like Bill behind a really good offensive line running games better. He's a pass catching threat out of the backfield. Take some pressure off. Devante atoms. This team that needs weapons greenie. I love the fact that you go K Roger got a couple of years left. Let's get one of the best players in football on about loosen. Aaron Rodgers whatever. He is. Or isn't is the most probably the most talented quarterback in the sport. Maybe Patrick Mahomes, as you served that you put Levy on bell who might be the most talented skilled player in the NFL on the same team. That is a frightening combination. Speaking of frightening. There's one thing I wanna show in case, you didn't see it. And it's that that was a hit from the alliance of American football which made its debut on Saturday and one of the games here. That's Sean, Washington. The linebacker hitting a quarterback named Mike Burke. Beechy right now helmet. No flag is thrown and the media reaction that I still have so many places including themselves. The league themselves was look how great this is this is legal here, and sort of comparing it to the National Football League where that sort of play used to be commonplace. And it was the kind of thing that we'd all get excited about and it doesn't look the same anymore. What do you make of for lack of a better word glorifying that play? I hate it. You know, listen to the I guess the Matiz the macho of me like old school football players like, oh, yeah. Love that contact first of all thirty two NFL owners hate that. There's a reason why this is one of the most exciting NFL season. A long time that the draw the ratings Rupp quarterbacks kicked healthy one of the reasons quarterbacks for kept telling me because we don't allow hits like that in the NFL anymore. So I don't I don't really understand that football in the NFL Cup years ago with someone epidemic because of the health of the players. Really moms and dads allowing their kids to watch football Nazi hits like this Nazi hits like this constantly on these quarterbacks in the threat of the concussion on the head. So the NFL did a great job of removing net from the game. And that has brought moms and dads back into allowing their kids to watch football to partake in football in the game as healthy as it's ever been. It's as popular as ever it's been. So I can appreciate the af I just don't believe that having something as the calling card of your league at least in week one. Which was the detriment of the NFL Cup here. I'm sensing Jay Williams leaning into the shot from my right here. So I don't know if we have a camera form or not, but. Apparent if that's what ball I don't want. My exactly that. I want my kids having nothing to do a football, that's considered. But if you, but if you watch the NFL this year, that's different totally different feeling. And that's that. That is the main reason why they made those rules changes player safety Scher. It was for moms and dads lit TIMMY, and Tommy or eight nine ten years old still be able to play football still comfortable with. Yeah. I feel my kids going to be safe enough. I feel like he's going to be an adult that I can recognize in have a relationship with forty forty five. We've been come conditioned by seeing things and all of a sudden they look different like that play. Just looks different. As you see it than it looked when we used to watch it all of the time. The reality is pro football was a sport that used to sell you violence. It was organized violence. Those days are behind us now. So I appreciate the notion that some people think they miss that stuff. But it's not coming back to the NFL. And if that's what you're going to base this league on I think, they're going to have a very hard time succeeding. I'm not suggesting that's what they're planning. I'm saying that was the one thing they got. By far the most attention this weekend. Sportscenter nights, six eastern after PTI with Kevin. And Keith they will look at whether or not Duke should be tournament's top seed next month. We'll Cuyler Murray report to spring training with the as and keeps take on the nights so-called worst in show all that more sports. Sportscenter tonight, six eastern on ESPN and the ESPN app back to basketball here. The Lakers lost yesterday was an interesting game on ABC getting blown out. But third quarter of the game was largely in hand there too. And to Ron since he came back with the story from this game happened when Magic Johnson talk afterwards. Give a listen. No, we knew that basically at the end of the day. What happened? And we knew when we first started. So. You know, what happened? But hey, it is what it is. I'm gonna say this again with making this about thinking, these guys are babies your treatment professionals. All. And this is how this league works. They know it I know it that's how it goes Washington for so many years, you just kind of know it. We'll get traded. If people get on a block, and people are always in trade rumors, and you know, how it is. I've said before that was our first time around, you know, a lot of kind of get to us. But. No professionals. We can't. So the first thing was this. The first time you heard from the front office that they talking specifically about. All right. So let me go back to the very beginning. What Magic Johnson said when he said, no he was responding to a direct question as to whether he felt the pelicans operated in good faith during the conversations the Lakers New Orleans had about the possibility of an Anthony Davis trade so with that thought in mind, Richard Jefferson. What is your reaction? My reaction is why would they well what what do the pelicans the Lakers to operate? The pelicans field that LeBron James the Lakers. There's always been talk of tampering that the Lakers were manipulating not only their player, but there, but the agent was manipulating their player to get out of there. And so I don't think that the pelicans owed the Lakers anything, and if anything to me this whole thing, let's me know that Magic Johnson and rob Pelinka either need to do a better job or they need to get some help in there. I think there's a certain lack of experience with the management for the Lakers right now, and they're going to earn your stripes. It's like a car game. You never wanna show your opponent your hand everybody in this was coming and they did. Between Rich Paul jeffer-, everything everything happening with all the knowledge about, hey, we want to make a trade happened. Anthony Davis his dad making comments. He's not going to go to boss everybody saw this one coming. So I think moving forward magic Lincoln the need to learn how to move in a little bit more of a clandestine. Like man, the other part of it though that magic talked about was these young guys that stop treating them like their babies his word as far as the notion that they're going to be so fragile. They can't recover or they can't handle their names being out there and trade talks. What did you think of that? I understand what magic was talking about. When he suit me. Right. But the reality is, you know, crew said it watching Iria about great rooms they heard about it. They've watched about it. This is their time doing with it. And these are all young kids. We're talking about here running Ingram. Clues MMA, Lonzo ball, he's supposed to have his jersey and around or we're not going to do with let me say this when you have a young coach as they do in coach Walden, and then these young players, and they're talking about they're not look at the end of the day. There's a lot of new people here, you have a brand young coach you have a ton of young players, and you have a inexperienced front office. Right. So when you combine that you can get a kind of a cluster, and I think that's what happened. You had inexperience in your GM and in your president. And it shows super-quick I mean, he played with LeBron, you know, him extraordinarily. Well, what do you think is going to his mind right now is all this is going all this is going on. I think in his brain is like, okay. How can we get this together for this final push to make it to the play? Do I wanna remind everybody at the beginning of the year? Like, I know this conversation escalated into how to leakers get to the playoffs going to be in be finals kind of player of of team. We didn't really expect them to make the playoffs. We thought this was going to be a process for LeBron. And so let's bring it back to reality here that they still a lot of work to do. But we expected that. Now, they haven't made the playoffs yet. By the way. We'll see what happens. We'll take a short break. We have a lot left to do including what is the one thing that could stymie suddenly surging. Sixers that's next get up on ESPN. We have a very special game tonight. And we have a very special telecast plan for it. As you can't take South Carolina. And we'll tell you that you can't as won all seven meetings between these teams an average of twenty seven points per game. Though, they have already seen a couple of long streaks. Get snapped this season the one that remains is their home winning streak. They've won eighty nine straight home games. That's the longest streak in the nation. We'll see South Carolina can break that they struggled early in the year starting four and four. But since then they're thirteen and one BP gives them a fourteen percent chance to win the game. And the broadcast tonight is the Homer telecast here. And so rather than suburban Asia Wilson, putting aside their allegiances you're actually going to be asked to enforce your allegiances, you'll be calling the games with sort of a hometown feel. So tell us how we expect that to go. I mean, I have no idea the first time for us doing it. First time for ESPN, I believe so should be fun. Asia's not playing. So now, they might have a chance seven when she was in uniform. What I meant. Maybe I asked the question badly. How do we expect the game to go Asia is soom? You have a prediction tonight's game. I mean, of course, I'm going to be a Homer and say, South Carolina. But I think it's going to be a good game. Honestly. Sewage there any trash to be talked here. I mean, I think we've already started. All right. Very good. Now, the other thing that you to have ready for this weekend. This weekend is the celebrity game at the NBA all star festivities your coaching. And you're playing in that if you need any tips I've done both. I've played in the game. Okay. And coaching a game. So if you need any advice on that just let me know 'cause I'm happy to help you out in any way. And I don't know if there's any video or anything like that with my performance in that probably better off if it does not J as we talk about here. I've got touchscreen. Can we put up on the board? So. Well, this is a little switch here by Kevin Hart carrots about the two, and he just muscles you out of the post here. But look at a muscle quite come on. Come on greenie, then we gotta turn over here. I say why. That's right. Yeah. All right. The place continue like good play by then. I mean, here's the this is not a good show dot com. Come on. Greeny. Look, but you hold the policy. How do you? What do you say about that? I'm going to tell you what happened there. What happened was? I could tell you that was and it's not who you are expecting the prisoners fault. That was is Jalen rose. Jalen rose was the coach of my team in that game. And I was the only player in the entire game who had not yet attempted a shot because I'm a defensive specialist. So I'm, you know, I'm guarding like, Michael Jordan, for example, him down to that game. I held him to eighteen you held them. Tony Allen twenty six look at the defensive posture. I mean, I'm I'm manning up. Anyway, so yelling, whatever happens. Greenie. Take a shot. No matter. What happens? I cannot have you take a shot. Yeah. This on this play. Whatever happens take a shot so I- elevated. Good. Wasn't so good. Yeah. I mean usually foot on the line. I mean there Maury you're fired. You're traded. Out you're out. Really? He's got he's got. For the record. I think I was a better coach than I was a player. I was a very good coach Eighty-one edgy way. Either way. No, we laws. Remove the garden that was a whole other story. That's because the lead singer from arcade fire stepped in and got him down with no. Is there a strategy? You have against Asia nine game because you're coaching against it's called Ray Allen. There's my strategy. That's gonna sorry. That's this weekend. More media consequence tonight. It's you kind of South Carolina. And these two will be putting together. The ultimate homered telecast. We're looking forward to seeing that. Thank you guys. Thank you. Well, now heart the talk about someone else who can't shoot, and that's been Simmons. Okay. So we just saw my form he actually attempted three yesterday. And that didn't go either he took a three pointer in the game. And it almost never happens. He's taken three of them this season. And you see sort of the company he keeps it's not the kind of thing that you would expect. And so it brought up a question that we raised earlier this morning here. And I want to bring it back to the table is Richard Jefferson rejoins us here. I've heard some people suggest I think we were on sports. Sportscenter this morning and someone was talking about two. The Sixers have a starting five that's as good as Golden State. And even if that's sort of an exaggeration. Clearly, they put together a really good team. That is a really good team. That has adding Tobias Harris is you had that big wing three, Hugh. But the question is does Ben Simmons inability to shoot the basketball is that ultimately what derails them? No, I do not think so at all because really it's kind of like having shack on your team. You really just wanna person to get you three and a half quarters in then. You need finishers around that individual. And Jimmy Butler is a finisher. Joel Embiid is a finisher JJ Rettig can finish and not down big shots. And then you add to buy his hair. So they have tons. They don't need. Ben Simmons to carry up is not like Janas. They don't need to carry them for forty eight minutes. He needs about forty six. They take Don-Shik was out without even second guessing. There's only a certain amount of players in the league that can do it. And he was even quoted by saying scoring in the NBA is easier than scoring than yours dont. You're talking about about Simmons here in your opinion. His inability to shoot the basketball does derail them from what they ultimately could've come and not with this current not with the current round because surrounded him with shooters that actually complement his style the play but there was a play the game yesterday. And again, we're sort of winging this year as we go. But there's a point where LeBron James he's LeBron's man. Lebron is hanging out underneath the basket while Simmons is bringing the ball up. They pay no attention to him that has to some point over the course of a seven game series against good teams that has to become effect. And I know dream on his really struggling this year. But part of the issue is that if you don't get up on them a little bit his passes or just pinpoint his passes to Jimmy Butler to two JJ. Redick are perfect. So you have to have some sort of pressure. And when you do that, you're kind of saying, hey, we're just gonna let you pick us apart. John Rondo won a championship. He couldn't shoot. Yeah. He just kept driving. He just kept turning down. Ball screens going back and forth. Get into the lane Tobias Harris Jimmy Butler exchange a six foot win without can win a championship. You can still post. So is it is is that a reasonable comparison. No one would ever look at Ben Simmons and Rajon Rondo and compare them because of the obvious height disparity. But is that a reasonable comparison? Six eleven Rajon Rondo is that what he is. I think I wouldn't say that he's a six eleven rouser eleven Jason Kidd. I think both their basketball accuse or levels above been Simmons. Right. Yeah. And he's he's still a very very young player. But I really think that the team that they have put around in Simmons his inability to shoot the ball is not going to be what derail. This team. Not not even really I gotta show some eye candy. I got to fabulous finishes from yesterday. Although one of them I'm doing because they told me I have to and I'm not the least bit happy about it. The first one is spectacular. This was all over Twitter yesterday. It's ill annoyed state, Missouri state. And there's a mad scramble for the basketball. And eventually, that's Jarod Dickson picking it up and flinging it and it goes four about that. Did it did it? Look at that shot top challenge that is spectacular. And this one I'm doing unto protest on this. This is the best highlight of the night Jordan Bohannon right here with the game winner. I was up double digits in this game. I'm sorry. In this way to make. I've been using on that three point seven second in Norton in northwestern defense. I never thought they were gonna win that game. That's that doesn't make me feel better at all. 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Both games are live on the ESPN app. So you can watch from anywhere aren't the two episodes of our new show. The boardroom are available right now on ESPN, plus they start Kevin Durant and Jay Williams. K D was with us earlier this morning talking about the value. He has perhaps in other places. He's well aware of it. Know how good I am. I know the demand on my skills in the league. So I stopped thinking about this stuff years years ago. So I just come in and go to work and try to get better as a player every day and help my teammates as much as possible. But you know, I I know how to focus on basketball. So. What do you think that that was part of a larger conversation about when he got upset last week? And it gets a lot of attention. And look when you're Kevin Durant. Everything you do is going to get a lot of attention. What do you think about that whole thing that seems to have blown over for the moment at least, well, he said it an interview that a beat reporter every single day was asking him the same question. Anything says some of his words got misconstrued and that turned into a big thing for him. So I think he addressed it. I think by dressing. I think he's also hindered the reporter from asking that same question over and over again, and I've known Katie for a while. Now, he is a basketball savant. He loves the game more than anything that my man just goes home and watch his tape of Jordan all their games. Right. He appreciates the game. So I think when he gets the free agency and July, then he'll think about it. But right now, he's trying to win a championship. And you made a good point. When you said, hey, look, no, one says anything when he's answered that question perfectly one hundred one hundred the one time it's a soundbite when people need to understand every single day. They get asked the same questions every single day. They go into work, and they get ask the same question. And all of a sudden when? You feel like someone takes it the wrong way. Yes, you're going to get fired up, and that's the sound bite that we go. Here's the other side to that though. It's not right wrong. It is just the reality of the situation. One of the reasons that basketball players today make as much money as they do not on the court, but off how much would you say his shoe deal with Nike is worth and asked two hundred plus meals, you one hundred plus million dollars is because they are celebrities in every sense of the world word. Kevin Durant is one of the biggest celebrities. We have in our culture and people are fascinated with their every move. So ask him to ask. I don't even know who you want to insert into this conversation. Whether it's Jay Z and beyond say or George Clooney or whoever the other celebrities in this world are whose every move is analyzed and everything they say is all over tabloids and stuff like that that too, but you're cleaning has forced to address the media every day. Yeah. That's the worst addressed the media everything. And there are some people leg, George. There's some people that are in the tabloids every single day, and there's some people that go out of their way to avoid ever being in that and live in late comer stood. But that's there. The reality. The reality of the world, we live in two thousand nineteen is the reason that Kevin Durant abroad, James. And all of these guys are the stars. They are because people are fascinated by them. They're especially interested in what he may do next year and so- answering those questions, I think is just part of the deal. And Katie is the ladder. He's a guy that rather go to local KOMO and not be involved in the media. But just add ons. What you said who is that the fact that, hey, look, we want athletes to be authentic. We want them to tell people how they really feel and then we chastise them when they do. So like, my thing is like if you're dressing questions every single day off day, and you answer it the way you actually want to answer it that becomes news another they want to point game last night against Miami. And his new show with this guy is available right now on ESPN. Plus, this was great fun. Thanks for being here. Looking at more guy. Message and data rates may apply wanted to become okay for men to be Lazier softer fatter. We need to bring the men of this country back to greatness, and it's easier than ever with ageless male max, a patent pending formula within ingredient that helps boost your total testosterone promoting greater increases in muscle size and twice the reduction of body fat percentage that exercise alone. 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Full Show (AB allegations, Kevin Durant, Dak's deal, OBJ's watch, LeBron's pizza commercial)

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Full Show (AB allegations, Kevin Durant, Dak's deal, OBJ's watch, LeBron's pizza commercial)

"Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host Jerry Taft. This podcast is the full show from today's episode sown disputed from start to finish. They've got a busy slate so skip Shannon. Let's get to it good morning. Welcome to undisputed we are live from La. I'm Jenny Taft. It was skip bayless Shannon Sharpe good morning how are you. We have a lot to talk about starting now. How good guard here we have a lot on this show but this one does have a little bit of a different tone as some significant news broke last night involving Antonio Brown and we're going to get right to it as first reported by by the New York Times Patriots Wide Receiver Antonio Brown has been accused of rape by a former trainer in a lawsuit filed yesterday? The trainer says she was sexually assaulted assaulted by Brown on three separate occasions between two thousand seventeen and twenty eighteen Antonio Brown has denied the allegations and the Patriots released a statement saying the team is aware of the allegations so shannon this is just really coming out so how should the Patriots and the NFL L. React to this as we are reacting to it as well. These are some very disturbing allegations scale my job today is not to try to try to case. I'm Bay a unqualified. I think without having more information we can do that fairly I think we ought to be for him. Allow him an opportunity to present his side of the case and we've also the accuser an opportunity to present her side of the scale they're going to be I think what transpired in Pittsburgh over the last half of the season season. I think of how the situation played on Oakland there will be some willing to jump to the conclusion that AB is a bad guy and he's more than capable of doing something like this. I don't really think the to Mesh cry and I'm not here today to try to put these things together skip in the question Janney just ask what should the NFL we'll do the question should have been. What's Your Commissioner Goodell do because this is solely on his desk? It is this why see people like Oh. He's overpaid. He's he's making forty million to get a private jet lifetime health benefits. This is why those thirty two owners gave him the big books it was not to get these. TVD contract on-track look. I'm not saying that easy because I parent company Fox became a major player once they got into football so I think that's a little easier. This these types of decisions is why he makes the big bucks because this is not easy for him skip. I don't envy the position that that he's in right now because I believe equally I am. Commissioner Goodell is unqualified with this situation. I wish he could point. I wish she could pass this off but he he can't he the commissioner of the NFL in his solely on his desk now article forty six says that it does I believe the only way to move and forward with this that the commission needs to place Antonio Brown on the Commissioner of the exam lists now by doing that he's GonNa take off two segments of people the people with their says. He's innocent until proven guilty and if he doesn't do that they're the people that say see. I told you as long as you can throw catch run you have a home in the NFL Yep so oh he's an unwinnable situation damned if you do damned if he doesn't but I think moving forward this is the only way because it gives both sides and opportunity to present vent their case because I don't know how with this because Antonio he'd been radioactive over the last couple of weeks. I don't know how given the set Adam circumstances that the allegation that's been brought forth how they can let him play on Sunday now. I don't believe that the Patriots are going to do anything I think bill stand down in the NFL take precedent well Consi- considering they have a guy that played Sunday night charged with cocaine possession. I know for one the precipitous certain they're not doing anything they will lead this in the hands of the NFL the NFL. I believe will come. I don't know if they're going to be the next day or two but I think we'll have have a decision by Friday skill on the course of action that the NFL is GonNa take place and it comes to dealing with Antonio Brown and I think the the best case forward is to put him on commissioner's exempt list he'll still get paid but it still gives both sides opportunity to present their case. I believe that is the only way forward. That's the only the fair way forward if there is such a term fair insinuation like this so I go everything you just said to the point that today. I'm very glad I'm not sitting in the commissioner's seat. That'd be hot seat today. I'll be the first say my my head hurts because I've read so much about this lawsuit and I'm out of my league. We are in the opinion in business. That's what we do. We right we debate but today I can't conclude an opinion on this because I just don't know enough. I know what she alleges. I know what Antonio's attorney response with and this is going to come down to if it ever goes rose to jury trial classic. He said she said your. She said he said right and I have no idea what really transpired. Was it a consensual relationship or not right and I can't draw a conclusion that because because I don't know enough to know I'm way out of my league in all the legalities that are are surrounding this now so all all I know is I agree with what Nancy Armor wrote in her lead to a very good piece that was in USA Today today and she says opening line Antonio Brown hasn't just crashed the NFL's one hundredth birthday party. He's hijacked it. This whole season unfortunately only has been too much about the negativity surrounding Antonio in Oakland and now unfortunately as he's joined the New England Patriots and is supposed to have his first I practice today and as I sit back and think about what the Commissioner has to do. We're back to Antonio's ironic. Slogan of business is booming as far as the commissioner has to be concerned today. Antonio is becoming bad for NFL business is that fair to say negative this around this so much negativity over the whole last last year there has been nothing but negativity and has he become a problem for the NFL to the point that he could be suspended simply simply for conduct unbecoming. If we look at the whole last year yes he could be suspended just for that and that's that's independent of this woman's Woman's allegations so if we if we step back he does have the commissioner what's called an exempt list and he could just put put Antonio on the exemplifies that they could continue to pay him on the simplest. But how long do you keep in there. This is what boggles my mind and I don't have the answer. Usually I have an answer but I don't have an answer for this one because it's now up to the NFL to do its own independent investigation of these claims in going to assume they're going to start on that maybe today because she made it clear in her filing. I'm available for the NFL in all agencies. Please come come talk to me because I'm here for you right. She's not running from what she filed she saying I'm open to to anyone interviewing me of of any import in this matter especially she started with the NFL and sometimes gabby. She feels very comfortable because sometimes they filed this under the veil of anonymity Yeah Oh aw Jane Dolan exhibit just go by an acronym her name but she feels very company is Britney Taylor. Yes yes if you want that to be known okay so if you put a B. now on the exempt list how how quickly we could you as an. NFL In this would be under Lisa feels division. How quickly could you come to a conclusion about which side you take in this case aced? Do you think there's merit here or not. I don't think you can do this quickly. It's not about what how soon can Antonio Brown get back to playing you. You put him here in the U U. Due Diligence if it takes you six days if it takes you sixty days if it takes you six months you put you leave him there because house you want to make sure you have all your fact because people are very distrusting of the NFL it as we all know the hundredth anniversary of the NFL you yeah no it because all the logo officials. Everybody has that one hundred years that silver patch somewhere on the on the Jersey on the officials hats so we know this is the big deal for the NFL and this just fell in the lap because the Patriots says we had no knowledge of this the NFL said we had no knowledge college of this but you have knowledge of it now. I don't believe you can move quickly. This is not about Antonio Brown getting opportunity to play because you won't Bareness on on both sides and if it takes you an extended period of time as long as you get this right you have to live with how long it takes. Okay okay so let's do the opposite hypothetical here what if the NFL just says business as usual they make no statement we're investigating gating but will be allowed to continue to play what if this eventually does end up going to a jury trial what if he loses the jury trial trial in the conclusion of the jury is that that he did violate her that he did sexual assaulter right and end symbolism smaller burden. It's smaller birds and they award her X. dollars for all that she has gone through and continues to go through how would the NFL look if they had continued to allow him to play. Are we back to ray rice type situation where they they move so slowly on that that they looked looked worse and worse well with what happened. Skip is that they suspended him and then the tape came out and he was getting ready to come back from suspension and then they suspended them again now he fought anyone. The judge says the Tate Ding create new evidence so you can't suspend him after you've already suspended him so so this is why you need to move slowly skip to make sure you get it right because once you because I think what you're trying to get at if they put him on this list they let him go back. Go he goes back and plays. They have a trial he loses then. What do you do? Can You CA- theoretically skip. He's not suspended because when you're suspended you don't get paid you put him on this list. He's still continues to get paid but he can't play he can't blake so you want to know what what will if punishment then he goes civil trial. I guess I guess if the authorities look into it. He might be charged criminally who knows but let's just take because she follows civil laws than I think what you're getting at okay. He's on the Commissioner's list they put him on this list and it says okay he goes back. They have a trial at a later date and time he loses. What what does the Commission of? What does the commission do? Then how bad would the league look because we we know that image is everything and should be everything to the national football league so the big hit what was that in two thousand fourteen th ray rice and Adrian Peterson. All those incidents came up at Harvard with somewhere along in there to Adrian Peterson was for a little while put on the exempt simplest but he had been charged with child endangerment. You've been charged. There's there's no charge here because as far as we know she did not go go to the police so there's not a police report we can say Aha right. This is what the police found in their initial discovery on this initial investigation instigation okay so there's one other angle to this Michael. McCain does a great job as a legal analyst for sports illustrated so one strong point point that he makes is it is notable that Antonio Brown did not negotiate a settlement of Taylor's claims before the lawsuit was filed because in most cases he goes on to say that they have some communication back and forth. About how much do you want. What would so? How can we satisfy you? You've gone through so much over this. Can we pay you X. Y. Or Z. and if there was any communication or negotiation on on that account apparently Antonio was I'm completely innocent. I'm having to assume if there was that he just said no way Hey. I'm not GonNa pay you a dine and all but would dare hurt them to go ahead and file the suit which she obviously has done and she's ready to go forward Ford and push it to its conclusion in then the other sort of weird part of this again. I'm way out of my league but the the filing says that they want in excess best of seventy five thousand dollars that's not a whole lot of money to start with did they set the floor row as possible but I would think they would win an excess S. of x million dollars right to start with right so that surprise spending the access of the draft after floor seventy five thousand but we haven't gotten to a feeling obviously so so shoot Antonio if she was open to settling this should he have settled it you could argue that would dispense with a lot of upheaval in his life and the NFL's lie yes but you could also counter onto that by saying he just believes he's completely innocent that they had a consensual relationship. She has text messages. She may have more than two but she she put to in the in the lawsuit. Do they come off as potentially damaging to Antonio Yeah they do are they authentic. Not sure could could those be proven to be authentic. Does she have more then that would come out in discovery in in any sort of trial right could be all right so now. Let's go big picture. I'M GONNA look back quickly just through Antonio's misbehavior of in just the last year that has nothing to do with her lawsuit. This is all pre lawsuit so help me out here. Let's frame this with what's happened to him. Just in the last twelve months he obviously he acted quote without regard for human life when he threw furniture including an Ottoman off the fourteenth floor floor balcony of his apartment in Miami that came within a couple of feet of hitting a kid who was a year and ten months old near the pool all through all kinds of furniture pictures other thing other items were thrown out in a fit of anger. Okay then a month later the wife of his daughter alleged heath shoved her down with both hands when she asked for money for the daughter's hair appointment point which he was supposed to be responsible for so she reported that to the police then the next month he skipped a court date for reckless driving when he was accused of going over one hundred miles an hour in Ross Township Pennsylvania which was in the Pittsburgh area found guilty then he was sued food by a chef remember because the shift claimed that he stiffed on charges at the pro bowl three hundred thirty eight thousand dollars and then another other personal trainer said that Brown owes him more than seven thousand for services providers according to court documents time by TMZ those are all those those little incidents that are pretty big right some of them very big incidents leading to what happened in Oakland where the new gm Mike Mayock doc reportedly ab on the practice field in a fit of anger called him a cracker and threatened to punch him out in front of the team bright. Not The prettiest sight in the commissioners is and I would think we know about the two grievances filed over the helmet the cryotherapy happy no no no criminal action there but again just another incident leading to this lawsuit okay just the totality of that the impact impact detailed is it enough for the commissioner simply to say enough is enough could could you suspend him just for conduct unbecoming of the League Oh you could but I think that if they were going to take actions with all those incidents they would have taken those actions already so I think they're going to have to deal with this lawsuit. I think they're going to have to deal with this. In its individuality. I think they'd have to take this and you'd have to separate because if you look at all the things that you documented and then you put it with this you're like okay. This is no brainer and and I think that's what you know. All this has nothing to do with the correct so I think that's why they're going to deal with this and it's an individuality but I think the best course of action. I think for everybody because he wants his side hurt yell. She wants her side heard in the NFL skipped look he the player in the NFL and no matter what you think for some reason nfl player does something the whole the NFL is the only business that happens. I can assure you if something happens like this at apple they don't say all the bad apple employees but that's just how it works in the NFL Strand Strand for some reason I don't know why but that's where debate that another day in time but put him on the Commissioner's list give everybody that opportunity because the nfl you can have to do your diligence villages on this one now because you with a couple of times you wear and the pants came back but I'm not so sure if you rush to judgment on businesses okay. We'll let you play until we figure this out because commissioner. You said you can do something without a legal finding I so I oh I think you've got to place him on this list. They'll do their due diligence. It might be six days. It might be sixty days but I think the NFL would do their homework this time to make sure they don't strike got miss. I would lean in that direction which brings me back to the New England patriots as you noted in your opening answer. They've actually had a long history of taking on troubled players and winning with trouble players Aaron Hernandez they surely knew background was at Florida yes and they won with with Aaron Hernandez until he finally completely and utterly self destructing. Obviously the owner of the Patriots had his own off the field incident incident back in January so is it possible that as a franchise they sit back this morning and say yeah we do have a troubled history here with troubled players off the field. Maybe this is the time we have to step up and say no. This is just too much for us that we have to make our own statement. It's also possible the Commissioner Might Call Robert Kraft this morning and say isn't it time you step up and do the the right thing. Is it possible that they just cut bait now is I don't know Oakland surprise me by being able to get out from under all the money I thought they owed Antonio. Antonio is it possible New England could get out from under the ten million. You're guaranteed. Could they get out from under it on on the conduct walked unbecoming or whatever the technicality would be that would release them from from Mayo. I'm sure they could something they chose was to do was give looking at this. We know one thing by the way you mentioned the Patrick Chung hanging over them as we speak and he played on Sunday and played well. This is what we know about new England and they do a lot of it is winning and the most important thing is not people is winning and if you can help them win they will be willing to overlook that and I'm I'm not saying they're the only franchise but this notion that they have their moral. They'd have this moral high ground in New England is being disingenuous. What coach Bela check if you act no no no no no no because he'd been more than willing and I don't have a problem with giving second chances but let's not pretend that they're the gold standard of behavior when it comes to New England because we've seeing guys do things there and still be gainfully employed there? What I'm saying is is is all that more reason for them to cut ties with Antonio Tonio today those opposed to saint you saying well? They have a history this. They're just going to say business as usual. We're going forward with him. Maybe it's time for them to say okay. Enough is enough enough these Italian all there's no doubt about the town I live in production and you still producing okay. Is it possible the commissioner would ask them to take a stand that the problem with this for the Commissioner's. Let's do the hypothetical New England says today we've we've had enough of Antonio were out. He's a free agent well. If another team then jumps the eagles. Let's say they jump in and say we WANNA Antonio with the Commissioner still has the problem of the loss okay right. It doesn't solve any tho it'd be really hard for me to believe that they would ask the Patriots to take that stand given the fact that we don't have the full story and what Brittany Taylor or is accusing Brown of is horrible and the reaction this morning when we all come at four. Am Is this is not what you want to be talking about milk. They do make a stand and the ASA patriots to do so without having any sense of his side of the story. These are still just accusations regardless of how bad they look risky for them. MHM to say enough is enough in this case. I think the exemplifies is really the only feasible option until there is a full investigation because we don't know the full no it's it's just then it's hard to know how long exempt list the rest of the year it could take the rest of the year for the NFL to research. Well you remember that I think if I'm not mistaken they put Reuben foster off to own it and he was able to get get off once. They did their investigation so we'll see let's see how soon this thing takes course of action. There will be more to the story worry and we will keep you updated with the latest and unfortunately we just don't have all the details at this point but we are going to move on from Antonio Brown right now the latest NFL L. 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Ask A financial professional about how Pacific Life can help you game plan for your future or visit. WWW DOT pacific dot com the cowboys are climbing up the USA Today Power Rankings Dallas has moved up from fourteenth to seven after easily taking down the giants thirty five to seventeen on Sunday moving in the opposite direction are the eagles who were ranked fourth last week but after struggling early against the redskins week one PHILEAS dropped down to tenth overall the the cowboys Super Bowl odds also improved from twenty two to one to sixteen to one week one win according to Fox bet not a bad sign skip but Shannon. Do you have a problem with this yeah because huge overreaction. Get a you know. I don't go how you beat a bad team at home and you jump seven spots since if you cool with that I'm hot with skill. Let's be all the way one hundred the giants czar bad football team you know that I know that I'm trying to figure out there were bad defensively last year and they lose two of their best defensive player of the Livia Vernon Landon Collins and somehow somehow you expect them to get better. There's a reason why debt that all day to throw the football he put him in the hall of Fame Right now. He plays the giants sixteen time this year and guess what are you going to the hall of fame. You put those exact same numbers maybe even more maybe more because he could be because they're run him and they really have to step down. Zeke had had a quiet day and he threw for four or five overreaction. I was way more impressed with the titans did but with the rams what about the packers go on the road on a Thursday tonight and be Chicago who won the division isn't that more important president of your team did absolutely Mitchell trubisky argue if he eli manning yeah we'll have been good. commodores will still a whole long time yeah loud originally with the commodore wait that he'd been gone. He keep it on his own. The longtime commodores hits every year. They're baseball team and their their football online and we we're talking about the group that was formed to test those commodore. He won the National Championship in baseball. Go ahead there. I believe League there are more deserving teams is special teams that have more impressive resumes after week one the titans going to clear a Cleveland and dismantling vamp. Tom Green Bay going the lambo the rams going into Carolina. Come on skip an eagle down seventeen hundred twenty seven at the half show the resolve the comeback dropped thirty thirty two to three. That's a meaningless touchdown mess up my missing. My my prediction messed it up. They can't do it. It's too many points yeah this go to today's battle why do you why do you even care about school with six on a point could anyway. They got my back exactly and they better not a in Peterson wrote by two hundred but no I think I think that's way too way way way way too more team. That was fourteenth beat a bad. Eh Giants football team leap seven spots yeah I got a problem with I don't that you finally finally the world is starting to see what I have seen the whole off season I spent the whole. NFL offseason in having to sit across from you in this chair while you ridiculed my cowboys and their hopes their long shot chances of being even decent in two thousand nine hundred ninety nine and I told you three months ago I'm looking at a super bowl loaded roster that has a chance to breakthrough true right on schedule this year and get to the Super Bowl in Miami. We'll be there. Cowboys will be there. How many times I tell you that cowboy fan would be there which you you? I've told you the entire offseason a Dak Prescott had become and I'm doing it past tense now because he's starting to get some respect but I told you he had become the most underrated underappreciated quarterback in the National Football League and at times I was starting to think historically in the national football league he got no respect from you after getting Amari last year and going tin games with top five statistics including the most completions in the entire NFL NFL in the most according to pro football focus catchable balls thrown in the NFL over the last ten games yeah you turn Chick Charlton this dub it down the Zeke. He was third over those ten games in called air distance and how far the past traveled to the receiver so he was no longer dinking in Daqing and he's your wasn't thinking thinking in Daqing on Sunday because it was bombs away and I told you the whole offseason Kellen Moore is going to change life in Dallas because he's going into revitalize unleashed open up an offense just waiting to burst onto the scene and we saw on Sunday skip can we can we can't we we're about in Costco or hole where you're sampling. Did you go buy the product we get a larger sample size or you start. This cat appraise. That's all I'm asking is that asking into was to get a larger sample size so we had a large sample size on case keenum before Sunday and new dismissed him by giving him little to no respect. You were close to garbage level for case keenum. I write about that Rebecca. He's a good backup but he started at Philadelphia Against Your Super Bowl team right yes. Did you pick them to win the war but what I think you said win but I think I got Kansas City see I have no doubt about who I picked to win the super bowl well. It's Tom Brady so I don't I don't remember you fill us all right whatever case keenum ghost Philadelphia on on Sunday and he goes thirty or forty four for three hundred eighty yards with a QBR of seventy four which was very high on Sunday. There was no it was not but that was the fourth most yards any quarterback threw for and launched them into a seventeen to nothing lead and I don't care about Walker to them. I Care About Walk Tombs Defensive Unit which looked flammable to me. It looked Tortuga to me. It did not look like a top five live defense to me and again they have been in the top five the whole off season. Every power ranking had philly top-five somewhere three four five and had Dallas Dallas Fifteenth to twentieth through the off season. So is it overreaction against the giants. What did I tell you about the giants the reason I wouldn't take the bet with you on Friday we're doing the points spread was seven and a half the reason I wouldn't do the seven and a half was because if you look at what the giants did last year with virtually I know oh you talk about the losses they have virtually the same roster and Saquon whom you call the best running back and they will so so are are they garbage garbage? Wait a second last year. The giants went seven and one on the road against the spread because they constantly got underrated by Vegas Vegas because they're still they have the core sort of the guts of a good football team that will fight you and when you got division battles going on opening being Sunday. All bets are off. They scare me to death. What normally happens with a team covers that much on the road? They normally fall behind by large. The margin in the opposing team is like all of a sudden they get very cautious. It's like we don't do anything and the next thing you know this touchdown like Washington with six no with six seconds to go and a back door covered okay it happens. That's why tin too many in a division rival and you lost again okay but we didn't didn't have anything about him. You're lucky on that one but the point is the giants still have players. They still have a guy you think is one of the top up corners and football named Jinx. I've heard again and again Jack Rabbit. He puts the cuffs on you right so what a Dak Prescott do on the first play way of the game on Sunday the very first play opening play giants win and defer so they just said we don't have respect for Prescott. He's not going to hurt us. I'm laying okay so so I play first and ten whatever it was twenty five deck drops back and he says I'm going at you Jack Rabbit because I have a real receiver. I don't have Dez Bryant anymore. You can lock up Dez Bryant runs like three routes but but I got Amari Cooper and you're single on Tamari over there watch what we do and he throws out but it's sort of a medium deep out for thirteen yards tomorrow and it was just an opening statement. Watch this so if you test what you saw cowboys versus giants you saw Dak Prescott at his new best you saw him continue to carry the moment of last year right into game number one. I don't Oh care if they were playing Oklahoma's defense on Sunday and I'm taking a shot at my own team because I still don't trust that defense. It's one of the worst big twelve defenses even though it might be a little little better than it was last year when it was the worst good team defense in the history of college football but I don't care if last year's defense was playing Dak Prescott you could just see what you saw you saw him throw with conviction and authority and look like a top ten quarterback you saw accuracy you saw arm strength drink you saw readability where he was just quick scanning and firing to weapon upon weapon on new weapon Randall Cobb you saw the offensive offensive line healthy and I will give you that he had time and they ran the football a little bit. I think they're going to run it a whole lot more at Washington and they will be balanced but right now they are starting to look like a little more of a deep threat passing team because I told you all season Michael Gallup will merge. We heard our man Chris Carter said at the end of first first things first he is legit big time deep threat receiver Dak loves entrusts him so when you've got Gallup Annemari and Randall Cobb out of the slot you got firepower right you've got a team that warrants being the sixth place team in the USA Today seventh-place ah no Philly was sixth and the ESPN one. Oh yeah okay there. We go so the point is they looked like that. Good football team and again. I think the Dallas Defense even though I have my questions and voice them on Monday their defense is a little better than phillies defense so Dallas is a little better team than Philly so give me seven for Dallas Tin for Philly is about right now is not yes you just skip. You beat a bad team. Jared are bad team and you if they're so good. Why did you pick six in the draft Saquon Generous Interesting Stop Eh stop? y'All got DAX. y'All got Zeke. y'All got a mar or the second best offensive line and football and what are the giants have. I told you I told you so he got enough. They want yeah say you know what they got. They got Yvonne Manning on any given Sunday can rise up and way then suddenly it wasn't last Sunday well. Maybe you can rise up this son well. He rose up and took a ride down the field for seven or nothing right. What a game did he ask if you would like to escort seventy in the ball game was over you still got to play another three and a half quarter so what happened the rest of the day sometimes you just gotTa sit back and I tested and I think you're is your instincts are telling you know this is legit? I know what you're trying to do trying to pin me down trying to pay down because I said that I didn't. I never said that the bus I said eventually he might be good skip bayless and he might eventually yeah okay. I don't remember you saying yes. Yes if I'd guess idea. I said he might be but you wanted to hear right now. He's all right. Here's rookie year his second year third no division title division title title last year. That's all you way yeah he would. He was a super bowl might have we might have a different discussion like no. We Miss Not Mike will we. We might have more wage Laurie Laurie wing well somebody other than me is seeing the light elsie. Nothing I see I see this this Disa- power ranking and I'm just trying to figure out how you go from fourteen to seven when you beat band football team they twenty two to one all of a sudden sixteen to one off one game a good you know why because overreaction ginny everybody come putting five dollars album cowboy and it drives down the biggest biggest to take the ball cowboy fan man. y'All do this every year every year y'all Kobe. They went one gay parliament on the cavaliers. Go by we add on to this building right here. Which I'll what do you do it again? Skip bayless well. You might have a chance next Monday to get me back because I think Dallas versus Washington is going to buy that. I will not committee netscape. I'm not kidding you. I don't care I'm not bad at USA. Don't try to oh I'll give you this is no the answer is no. I'm not giving you any points. Oh Oh you hello this is going to the why why I I respect and fear case keenum. I've told you that the whole off season if first the ball if I bet you I'm GonNa have to go to the wild bank wire money. Your account really were bidding. You'd have to have my checking account number. I'm not gonNA give you did you boy to move on guys. The Vikings did move from record the reason suffocating defense on relentless. Let's run game so right. Now are in the tunnel wide the ball out of they said no more kirk cousins. We're going to move on to Kevin Durant who opened up in an interview with the Wall Street Journal about his departures. The thunder in the Warriors Durant said he was shocked by the backlash he received after leaving the thunder to join the warriors. Ultimately durant said he wanted to join the warriors four years in order to be part of a family but he admitted that while he was accepted by the team he never really fit in Katie said quote this as time went on. I started to realize I'm just different from the rest of the guys. It's not a bad thing just my circumstances and how I came up in the League and on top of that the media always looked at it like Katie Katie and the warriors so it's like nobody could get a full acceptance of me. They're driven recently took to twitter to defend himself as he has done before replying to upset thunder fans hands after the article was released and we know he does that a lock is Shannon from Katie. What do you make of all of it? Maybe Oldman apology Katie you need to me because remember I'll say as the KGB is finding out he was never going to be accepted like Steph clay enjoy mine train when he went on twitter that was the ignorance statement and now the very thing that I said he's talking about it in an article by Polity K. D. you won't get it. I will get it I take him. Really we all just joking no skip look. I don't know what Katy thought I really don't. I think think Katie had left and gone anyplace else. They're they've been upset because Katie you you were there. I mean big time big big. Tom Great great player. I believe he's the greatest player in history now. Russ Russ failed will contest that but Katie the greatest degraded player in the Seattle title Okay See History skip he went and joined the team that beat him after he had that team down three two one any joined eighteen seventy three games with a unanimous. MVP Yeah people don't look at you like what and he's like. You know I was never accepted theft. You worry what Katie give me gene read this but he was talking about you know although I was never gonna be accepted because clay and Steph and Draymond with drafted there title and everybody else will come came to the Rehab rehabilitates. What was I going to rehabilitate? I was scoring tired of other than MVP exactly exactly candy that why everybody got so upset at you you are storing champion four time you was an MVP and you go during the best team in basketball so you don't understand why come okay D- I laid out bare laboratory for elaborately for him. Skip I see and Steph clay and dream on our new edition and Johnny Gill Join Johnny Gill could them all round Bobby Brown all of them. I'm all that is true but he was never going to be accepted because he didn't go off in Boston like they did that is also true K. D. I don't care how many points you were way way better than staff Klay Dream on but you didn't get drafted there. You could outplay them so they were the fan. Yes they all. We will win title Yada Yada Yada but I'm sorry they were never going to embrace. You like in embrace those guys because that was there's skip out on the way he went there. He went there seeking validation. He thought skip that if I get a title yes I was an MVP before yes I go entitled but he never got the validation but credit that he thought he deserved certain will. If I WANNA title what's to argue now not only do I have this. Mvp I haven't finals MVP and I have scoring titles but still he's still couldn't get what are you seeking in that was ultimate validations being regarded that universally best player because that title still went to Lebron that irked him. I'm coming to find out everything Kirk K. D. I I don't really skill hopefully he's in a place now. He can find peace but the reason why he can't find pieces just because Katie is not at peace with themselves. I don't know what he has going on but there's no reason for man to be this unhappy. He's playing a sport that he dreamed of. He's making more money than he ever a dream. He'd make yeah he he's. He went to Golden State. He you make choices every choice that happens especially when you chose to go the University of Texas you didn't have a choice you got drafted but you chose to go to golden state. Now you choosing to go to Brooklyn. Why so unhappy everything that he came to be a problem the very reason why you K. D. people don't heap praise seven-book guys that do not play professional sports? Most of them don't make seventy seventy five eighty million dollars a year. That's true Katie. Look at it. As a blessing brought y you saw what is going on in this man's life skill that he can't seem to be at peace or find happening but hopefully once he comes up this injury he comes back to the player that he wants was and he can find that happiness with the game of basketball and more important poor and with themselves. There's something going on this far. Greater than basketball and basketball can't solve so to echo everything you just said. What do y often call Kevin Durant on the show Kevin do rant because he do rant man? It's like every chance he gets he do rant and it's often irrational and inexplicable ranting that that we scratch our heads and say come on Kevin. What are you thinking in? I'm going to tell the story one more time because I started with him way before you did because all the way back to April twenty twelve I'm on. ESPN and I'm defending my man Kevin Durant against Russell Westbrook day after day after day because I love Kevin at the University of Texas and I predicted back in the old show I did call pizza he will win multiple. NBA Scoring titles and some people on that show laughed at that that skinny rail that you know that Guy Yup a guy he's seven feet tall and he can shoot it like crazy and bill self came on that show then obviously the Kansas coach and defended and he said you you guys you have no idea but this guy we cannot stop him. You cannot guard this guy. You can't guard him with two or three people when he rises up you just you so now we're looking at the greatest I call him. The greatest offensively skilled player we've ever seen ever just because he can do that and he is the most defensive player we've ever seen off the court on social media with reporters right. Yes the thin skinned superstar ever is Kevin Durant so back the April two thousand twelve. I'm defending me because Russell. Westbrook is taking more shots a game then my Guy Kevin Durant and Kevin Texted the Oklahoma City the called the the Oklahoma recorder called him over before the game and he said to him quote unquote that I don't know a thing about basketball ball will the next day on the show. I just go crazy because I'm saying Kevin. I'm the one defending you against Russell. I'm GONNA Corner Bra. I'm back in the rest of his quotes. Were we're better when Russ takes more shots really and he said I'm better when I'm out there facilitating taking rebounding defending and being more efficient on my shot with less shots what why did he end up leaving because Russ was the primary decision maker and Russ could choose. It's my term. I'm going to take this show and what did we ever thought a facilitator her come on NBA okay so then to the Wall Street Journal the other day he just goes off on the thunder organization. I went back to the first game and and they had nothing to do with me. There's no love you left of yeah. What do you expect you? They come on for this Wilkins with Oakland on you. Walk out on me. Yeah you walk out on me and remember left them high and dry because they waited through the trade deadline because they thought he was going to resign them so you get nothing for Kevin Durant and it hurts you set you back yet. who skipped the I can get him being upset with the people of Oklahoma the home when that Tornado touchdown Kevin Durant gave a million dollars out of his own pocket he went into the community? He was amongst the people so he you didn't just like I'm donating a million dollars. Not only did he donate he went out into the y'all going to do this to me. Because these skip its athletes speaking from Annapolis. We don't think anything will ever happen to us. He saw what happened to Lebron James when he left Cleveland. You go to Miami but guess what he says. That never happened to me. I guess what happened when he left. Okay see to go to Golden State. It happened to him. What is fans Stanford's fanatic the fanatical they are fanatical about their thunder? The thunder became bigger and Oklahoma City than the University of Oklahoma football team did and I never thought I my lifetime lifetime having grown up there that I would ever see that happen so that's how much he did mean to them until he walked out the door right but you can't you can't say because because of the reaction that you got when you left and came back yeah everybody in the organization was fake. I don't believe it for him. He can't under he don't he. It doesn't see it's gotta be all this all that the love me all the time or you never love to begin with and it's not like that Kevin. So what did I say soon after he signed with the Brooklyn Nets in a little bit of a shock. It won't be long before Kevin. Durant is unhappy with the Brooklyn Nets because that's just his history. He just gets unhappy so here's my my armchair psychiatrist view you were asking what are you doing. What are you thinking well does? He just want attention or does he want motivation because I think deep down when he rants then he knows he's going to get backlash. He knows he's going under respond to nobody's on twitter over the backlash which he did all day yesterday and it somehow weirdly motivates him because when when I thought he had the weight of the NBA be a world on his shoulders in the first finals against Lebron when he went to golden state man he rose shown he was the MVP and then he comes back and repeats sat performance DP that no no you didn't give him the validation that he thought he would because remember he's like he's still with feeling empty even if he won the I title and he's like this is it. This is all I get like what would skip. I don't you hear guys say awful lot like when I win the title. I'm like this is a gift. What do you think it does? The heavens opened up and then the brights ray of sunshine smile down on your says Great Job Kevin a great job got without I got it but I think he needs to be quote unquote at war with everybody that drives him that motivates him remember he won the MVP in the next all-star Star game in the media availability on Friday. He told the whole group of reporters. You don't know a damn thing about basketball. They just voted vote in the it clearly Lebron. You're the one that year. He's absolutely right now because they voted overrun advocate around with one of the first time he'd been absolutely right but even apologised give you do yeah. I think a lot of people need apology sorrow by the about me okay. I'll say ignorant statement run. It'll be on twitter. I think when he says the media always looked at k. d. and the warriors he could also viewed that as a compliment. We always say Lebron and the Lakers take when you are that Jack Ryan put in a separate group and instead he took it the negative and I think it's the finding the negative for Katie you gotta see the glass I have full not always empty with Katie and he needs to apologize the reason why the glass half full you drink out of somebody drag out of the glasses Citibank that'd be helpful you drag have to Water Katie Green Fun to us now. We'll have to see what he says. We're GONNA talk about week. One a bit more more. It reveals some concerns about Cam Newton what is going on with the latest quarterback. Max Pay undisputed listeners. 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Listen you'll be asking me because my showed how about this you talk to Gordon Effort Tampa and don't think I the battle between the CFO how about that a friend of course but if he's gonNA hinder us from winning I wanNA throw it but if it's GonNa make us way Oh baby dog on deep ball all right Shannon. How concerned should the panthers be with Cameron? I don't think they should be concerned. When Tom Brady to throw the ball over twenty years nobody say the thing when Dean conduct with the ball down anybody say anything two years? This is not an ask. Why are you always chiming in its Aldo is like a cue after you think about after you got a point of order? They look skip you. You've been around north. Turn your in Dallas when they were running in norv. Turner is not not a whole lot of deep ball is debate what we call the skinny polls in the defy. which is the comeback route so it's not like they're not like Patrick Mahomes in that office just throwing the ball all the air yards? That's not what this offense is about. Christian McCaffrey was having a fabulous day running the football he had a great day to dump it to him and he was making guys missing getting bad bad grades hints your two hundred nine total yards from scrimmage Yep but I'm not concerned about camps arm we said the same thing about Andrew look everybody with overreacted reacted and Andrew Luck had the SEHGAL's touchdowns in the NFL last year behind Pat Mahomes fifty so I'm not concerned about him. I think the thing is the defense offense would dictate whether or not he throws the ball over your head or not but I'm not going to just to try to prove to some guy that my arm it's fine. Let me just aired out six yards for what yeah yeah give me the tweet Gimme the fifteen yard the ten yard completion as opposed to the forty yards incomplete because his arms okay well because he thought about fifty yard is incomplete adopted out or throw the tenure and got a completion out of it so I'm not concerned about it list. We'll keep moving forward now here. We are weak eight. It's the same thing then I'll be concerned but in the first week I'm not concerned okay. I'll give you not concerned about his arm but I I. I'm concerned about his head about his his haircut. He WanNa call me one comas Arab what that's a decent point. That's a wild look and go through stages. He does you know I used to love him loved him before the draft loved him in the MVP season loved the whole charisma that he just he just exudes charisma when he's right the world's right best smile and sports when it's right it and he got all the way the precipice to the Super Bowl and then the world fell on von Miller kept and then I had no problem with his post game reaction because he lost and he was taken hard and taking it to heart but but he did not present the best look for the franchise as you recall in the post game and he took a lot of criticism for creek in ever since then he's just sort of slowly faded and his winning percentage since Twenty fifteen is twenty four in the League among starting quarterbacks well at that obviously won't Hackett and they lost a close game to the rams. It was a very competitive game they they lost lost and he was dinking and dunking a lot in the game and it was working because he targeted your Little Man Christian McCaffrey eleven times and he caught ten for eighty one yards and he's so their offense is being driven by that little man but the face of the franchise the leader that football team still has to be this man and again he gets it. It's like you shouldn't do the media sessions anymore because he just it just gets worse and worse because he he takes it harder and harder. How dare you question me about this about my arms? Shrink Tampa defense aggress if he's afraid of my arm yeah and I get it because he's been almost to the mountaintop. He got right up there got to that last level that base camp right below the peak right and then there was an avalanche in Orange Avalanche and it went the wrong way and now his body language gets worse and worse and that look look he just looked frazzled yesterday and he's been through a lot because here's the point when you run as much as that he's he's a huge man but when you run that much and take that many hits that position it wears you out man it wears you down and it looks like he's just taken such a beating that he's starting look like a broken down fighter where he lost weight because he felt he was playing to be here I. I think he's down around forty five now. He was highs. I guess estimates awesome is probably to fifty five to sixty but he's wait. I think he's totally Vegan now with a win fiscal -tarian for for a while but I think he's totally Vegan now so he'll he'll he looks good good but I think the thing is is that and I don't know if cam understood this at a time but that once you go to the Super Bowl as a quarterback yep or you winning. Mvp Repeat your life is never the same. That's the level they expect you to play moving forward. They don't really expect you to ever have bad games anyone the exactly so once issued once you win the MVP or get your suit. He did both in the same year he won the MVP ain't got his team to the Super Bowl so that's the level of expectation that the fans and the media and writers riders banks because they see Tom Brady. Tom Brady played like Tom. Brady and drew brees all these other guys. Do you remember what they did to see attal in that playoff game yeah yeah they they bum rushed it. They rushed to put it with a amland. Oh okay yeah so we would ask you. I just think the thing is is that look they expect him and there'll be a time. I think the big hurt him is that they lost again again. WENT BACK TO NEW ORLEANS. That was really the deep threatening they did draft a guy. I think they got to not not not this past season but year before last yeah in the first round that can get deep. We'll see we'll thought seven for seventy six okay so that worked Yeah Greg Olsen Ulsan still there but he he's been Nikola. He's been nicked and cam normally plays his best. When Greg goes on the field in place his best because he's dead security the blanket he can make tough catches bail cam out a lot but you know see matters running running? He had a great day run. The poor had a great catching the football and that's me that's where we're headed with the running back skip the days of just being a running back over. You must do multiple things. You must run ED catch. Did you see album Camaros. You see the Christian McCaffrey Sake you say one usually all those guys that are multifaceted and even Zeke has added to his repertoire. He has ask Tony Pollard. Oh clone I I just I just believe that when given the opportunity and the opportunity presents itself for Cam to put the ball over someone heads I'll be looking for. I'll I'll. I'll I'll be watching. We'll we'll see -cause Tampa 'cause we know it's going to be you know Jameson. GonNa throw about three or four picks an opportunity to get more opportunity through downfield so I never thought it would come to this but cam stats are a little misleading. That's why I love. QBR because it really breaks down the stats into total impact of your he was twenty five or thirty nine to thirty nine right now have any touchdowns had one interception the QBR was seventeen on a scale of zero to one hundred the only worst QBR in the League on Sunday James so so you got him and Jamus our night guys I used to love that are getting harder and harder to love and now they're head to toe he he hadn't broken the habit from when he came out of what is history was exist. His college history has become his pro his yes somebody somebody play worse than trubisky well. I saw James James Duncan up airbag year. I'm glad he had on depends because he he ran on the Field Gene Jerry the Daily Mail he had gone to really awful. I would've liked to heard what Bruce Aaron said behind closed doors about his quarterback. He's he's hard enough. You've heard what is the front of the TV really what the James well well now. He gets CAM or cam gets James James No. They're not twenty to play offense. You just can't throw the ball somebody like Oh. That's a completion. No Oh sure moment at noon pig six lever right not a good sign Kale who you got well the bet this when we met this Cam. Do you got Kale Tampa. Tampa not sure we'll do this. Laura Okay Asleep on it. Took time sleep on it this one don't bring up to pens ever again. Burn ballot check made an interesting comparison. When the Patriots Insein Antonio Brown we are going to find out the latest with that comparison Muncie Marcy at the beginning of the show we discussed the allegations brought against Antonio Brown that he has now since denied and yesterday yesterday important to point out this was before these allegations broke bill belichick answered questions about the receiver joining the Patriots and when asked about his confidence level that ab he would be disruptive like he wasn't Pittsburgh and Oakland Belichick said quote? It's the same thing you said about Randy Moss when we brought him in Zuzana when you look at comparing Gabe Tarini Moss is that a valid comparison comparison I see skill both came from the raiders both lay receivers and while Whitney but for every ready malls what about Abbott Ainsworth. How did that work out what about Cinco you see what he does? He always just takes too positive. Well Randy worked out but they've been situation where it didn't work out but he never mentioned those. Let's give I don't know how different or like randy and ab are behind the scenes because a lot of distress by where we didn't have social media so we don't know what Randy it was like at practice or what he says the thing yeah I mean we got some we saw so many antics own the field you'll squirting efficient with the water bottle mooning the fans at Lambeau so we we see some of the things but I don't know about him getting into it with coaches threaten to fight the GM so we really don't know skip how specific behind the scenes as these two guys actually are but this is what I do know is that Jon Gruden said it best and his a press conference after the game Monday night. He said we gave it a shot. We dared everything we could now. There's the Patriots turn. We wish them good luck. That's all I needed needed to hear and I believe John Route. It's you said John Gruden's going out of his way for Antonio Brown. Mike was getting kind of fair Lewitt. At what point in time do we make this about football. Yeah we don't play football. We just let this guy grandstand and create the same situation that he had in Pittsburgh. It will allow tell him to bring the head Oakland. We're team. We're trying to build. We got some young guys that are very impressionable and we don't want this kind of impression that it's okay to skip walk-throughs miss best practice loaf and do do all this other stuff on the on the outside and the peripheral so Mike May. I got to understand like Nah. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA try to visit in book but grew the business to win games. He knows they're going to Oakland in Oakland. They're going to vegas and a year maybe two at Max and so he's willing to tolerate great but even they got to a point. Where even said enough is enough? I wish coach Bela check look maybe Antonio Brown will go in and he will conform to what they the way. They do do things there and if I if he does I believe it can be productive but I'm not gonNA. I'm not gonNA compare him to read the Randy situation because other than them coming from Oakland and them coming receive at least Randy made it two years in Oakland. Could he make it to the regular season. He got signed what March April so he could make things must leave random eighty two years so I was shocked by what Bill Bell Check dug in and said because you rarely if ever see him defensive before reporters usually he says next to nothing he works hard at saying nothing in that was a defensive answer. I like about movie San Rain Really Okay and he's. He's a watch this guy he loves to say to the rest of the League. Watch what I can do with this trouble player because watch what my culture will do for him and he won't ever admit this publicly but watch what his leader his quarterback quarterback can do because the leader has had a long history of taking trouble players under his wing in the locker room and sort of showing them the Patriot way out to be a pro how to win and football games so bell check has all that going for him and so they've become the watch this franchise. We'll take your tired your poor your huddled masses and we'll show we'll win championships with them right now. I'm going to go a different direction on this one. This is interesting in light of what we heard late last night about the lawsuit right. Did they win a championship with Randy Moss. They did not win a championship so what happened in two thousand seven they went randy. Moss Oss Haywire offense went randy crazy in records fell like snow in Foxborough in December right because they set all kinds of records. Tom Through fifty touchdown passes and Randy caught twenty three and those are record record and all the other set records for highest point differential most I touchdown scores Blah Blah Blah just and then what happened they finish that year thirteenth in rushing so they went pass crazy and they got eighteen in oh fairly easily and then what happened they ran into a team that could flat out rush the passer with four with four in all four of them were really good at rushing in the past right. Those are four stalwart starting with Michael Straight who and what happened in that Super Bowl which they narrowly lost Tom Through at forty eight times for a grand total of two hundred and twenty nine yards forty eight passes they ran sixteen times and that super bowl all for a grand total of forty five yards well. I can make a case if you were balanced the way they were in the playoffs last year was Sony Michelle Wright Company Murder Yup Yup yeah they they were completely fifty fifty. Ish We're gas you with the run. Will I can make a case of the game plan was all wrong for the giants. Maybe against that pass rush. You could run on right. Maybe you could hurt it if they're focused on getting Tom Brady radius and turning up the heat on him. Maybe you could just run right by them well. They were not a rushing football team. So then what happened the next year will the ray rice game happened event where they lost at home thirty three to fourteen and remember he he goes eighty-three on his first carry and they ran for a grand total of two hundred and thirty four yards on new singling okay well that won't work so so now you're struggling to run and your defense can't stop the run so you go out and that was a wildcard game because they went ten and six and then what happened the next year the fourth game was at Miami on Monday night football. Do you remember what happened to Randy Moss then he finally quit on the raiders and he started arted quitting on Belshazzar members bad body language and whatnot no-balls warm rays and you wanna raise but he's just out there kind of half half speed. Did you know half-hearted going through the motions and he got he got no targets and no catches in a couple of days later. He was traded back to Minnesota Okay so how did the Randy Moss workout so if you're bragging about well you didn't think I could do with Randy Moss. What did you do with raining? You set records. Did you win championships. You run no in this franchise. That does nothing but win championships line out I had did you. Do you have anything to show for Randy. Moss you do not yeah I mean I guess something like I said we don't really know because when he got traded back to Minnesota in getting a short while later ended up in Tennessee then retire at the end of that retired out of football for a year and then came that San Francisco when they went to the super bowl he has title one thirty forty catches four hundred plus five hundred yards a couple of touchdown so without no like I said I don't really know what really ultimately led to Randy being removed from Minnesota Soda. We just know the situation open it. We don't have time to detail. All the Randy's incidents. Jenny was just baby then right where you toys he was always for the made a very confusing as the big incident where where would they had a caterer. Come in and serve lunch and called it dog food it something spots boss yes he was he he was he was he was no shame Basel the bus but he did say that we walked into the dining hall and said he wouldn't feed that and I think that with the end of it so okay okay I got it in. We see a model citizen for a couple of yes. It was and it got you. We're but you loved watching field and I just I say that because when I talk to my friends growing up about the off so we were young I mean randy. Moss comes up in Africa Ninety eight or nine hundred seven professional avenue. Eh what would make me get so upset that I want to fight the general manager help nothing really. What do I call if I don't know that's a good question question? What what do I man man shot? Put that thing on the general manager Lou Sharp Gentleman but what we don't do that the starting side like oh well. We gotTa Talk About Jerry Jones of it skipped you know he's contract Iraq negotiations about he said something yesterday. That could be a bit telling that maybe they're turning ugly definition. What's how you the Jerry Jones spoke yesterday and wanted to clarify a statement that contracts with Dak Prescott were quote eminent jury said that his comments were his own opinion on the negotiations and that it still takes both sides to make the deal happen? Jerry continued saying quote sure might not the DAX opinion went back expresses his opinion or his agent expresses their opinion that may be different than my opinion and so matt can go on for a long time so when somebody asks your opinion on whether something's done that takes to to do it they're speaking just from their perspective and in my mind we were fast approaching rushing a deal Shannon. Did you get all that. Is it a good side bad sign that there is no deal yet between some barry heard it he said in my mind we were uh-huh if that the if I need to because I'm not good at this. I'm not good at still English literature not as good at test. Oh were words he jerry Stephen keep talking because they're trying to dissuade dissuade public opinion they're. They're painting this picture that the reason this deal is done it because that won't give us country got because you know we ain't no state taxes. You know you you know I would say show you know. There's no state taxes on no Texas L. A. Year. There's no state taxes on the Boston. They're paying these salaries and Texas. It's not like the players that the only reason benefits from living in the state of Texas Bela you love to throw that around all sooners don't have a salad plateaued either uh-huh salary cap. NFL player you pay what I deserved. I need my money now. As I was saying if Jerry and Stephen were stop talking trying to sway public opinion to get this man to take a discount and if he's willing to take a discount that means he's self he doesn't in care about winning because it seems to me that it is representative. They're not listening to what Jerry Stevens says. It is sitting Jerry said it best. I'm on a time line but that might right now on the time line that I'm on you know what I'm saying like hold on hold on either. He tried adult in that got another call coming in talking to his agent. They don't listen to anything. Jerry has to say MHM skip. I also believe that this deal would have done happened. If Jerry was one thousand percent sure that that was his guy hit. They could have done this this off season. What else did they mean to see? He should if he plays the most important position. He's the Most Valuable Player at skip has alluded to any banged his table for the last three years. Why didn't he get this deal done? I why did you do Lau Collins. Why did you do Jalen? Why did you do Zeke Alien? Why why why was it dad purse? Then you hear all these guys now Carson Palmer he had opinion he says if I was him I would do between ten and fifteen callum number when a bunch of games a bunch of super bowl that make up the money he lost out by being what are the top two or three hundred played in the league promptly. He'll make endorsement tempo tenfold unfold the one thing I noticed about Karma. He never gave a discount Jenny he made over a hundred seventy million dollars by not giving this count. How many Super Bowl rings and did you know that he quit his way? Out of Cincinnati went to Oakland is either to tell someone what they should do. Why didn't you do that? Why did you say he's saying? Why didn't I do that because he said he'd do that because he wanted somebody who was to do with their money people man I wouldn't do that? I wouldn't on behalf of my dogs on the couch. I wouldn't road is my couch. My dogs is my money when you get your money if you have if you have dogs that you don't want to catch so be you. Don't tell me how to spend my money. I hate when people spend other people's money. Carson Palmer Stack ain't giving you no discount skip. We'll get that through you like you. Tell me gotTa Thick skull getting it through your thick skull Jerry and Steven Jones. I will start calling you skip Jones you rather than you you related to the Joneses this somehow use up you back door to you in the wheel something for you to Kim Wilson. Gina won't take the discount. No no no no no. I smell something something in the mail. Qinglian Pass Jerry has called me several names and they weren't Jones. I Ooh I love Jerry but we we had our moments. We had our beck and good tie. Good graces deal with him. I just sit here and talk about him. You is that what you saw okay feet to fire yes are you predicting is turning ugly. I want to get it from the horse's mouth across from me. There's learning ugly ugly. It's just that what what they want to do what they wanna pay dat and what is willing to accept it. I think we somehow we gotta get here because because right now we're here. How do we know we're here as opposed to here because I believe if that would have been willing to accept the number Jerry says imminent because if that was willing to sell a number he already be signed? Am I correct yes. No you're desperate. You're just desperate. You're reaching almost groveling to find some angle angle to undermine and undercut the runaway Super Bowl train that is becoming my Dallas cowboys. You need dissension. You need stalemate. You need conflict. You need need impasse within the rank. Just want a guy who want my desert my quarterback to be somehow unhappy distracted and finally just falling apart the Go-to you've made the rights of definitely made her the right stuff possible known Jerry and his use of language he could be using using the other imminent. You know there are two minutes. One starts with an e. and you know what that means that means you're you're famous and respected and as a negotiator using the Gordon eminent maybe to describe himself. He is famous and respected as negotiated. I'm talking about em em. I N T that one you know that imminent and I'm thinking imminent danger I but this these means you're in your royal. Okay right yeah. Words don't mean the same thing Shannon Sharpe yes. I'M GONNA try to explain this to your thick head. Dak Prescott was clearly of the triplets. If I can go to triplets the new triplets of those three contracts the likeliest to take team friendliest deal is obviously the quarterback so they needed needed to get Zeke done because speaking hard heads. He's got big pride hard head. We gotta pay 'em because as you correctly pointed out from the start window is closing on that position -sition shelf life is shortest. You've got to give him some guarantee right now so he can give you all these for the next two three four years whatever and they did that yes so they've got Amari now on a fourteen million dollar deal this year so he's cool enough right now but so now you turn your sites to the quarterback and you hope that he will look at this the White Carson Palmer and I brought this up to you many times and I love the Carson Palmer quotes which you actually pointed up to me before the show started today today so I found them printed them out who their powerful because I think he's saying I wish I'd done this because he's got no sucrose auto's he he made one hundred seventy four million dollars and so far deck is made. If we clued this year he is making a grand total for his whole all career four point eight million dollars but as I believe Adam schefter reported there's about fifty million coming in off the field so so he does he he the team is friendly to him because he does get to play quarterback for America's team which means you're going to get a whole lot of national quarterback for somebody else. Let down the only team to have the quarterback position skill well. He's our quarterback and we love. Our four pay is Jerry. Does you gotta pay below. Okay you got about bags you gotta by some but what did I tell you about the Great Tim Duncan a great leader of the San Antonio Spurs Dynasty. What did he do over his last four years he could have gone Lebron? Pay Meet meet thirty six million whatever it is this year but thirty eight million I always undercut them. Under change him. Tim Duncan over his last four years as a superstar star in this league as they continue to win win win win. He made nine point seven ten point four ten point four six million dollars Lebron thirty eight Tim Duncan like ten ten ten and six skip okay and what happened deepest bench in the League what happened to the Miami Heat in two thousand fourteen finals. They got blown blown off the floor by a record margin because they had three point shooters coming out of the woodwork skippy remember on that team Lebron had taken a discount the big three had taken a discount discount Chris by the way and Lebron to begin with the over the life over the four years he was there he less money than what he could've made that was when he came to the conclusion. I will no longer pay for play for anything less than the okay. Emma says Tom Brady make this year twenty three million dollars Lebron. Maybe that's all the Tom Brady twenty-three. Tom Brady here Lebron due to ask you a bill. Put your head down six three three. We insist your why. Why is it my job I mean why is it my job to take less money so do what okay I'll be willing to take less money? If you pass that savings and loan to the fans what Carson Palmer conclude you need to Dak needs to make sure that they continue to pay their offensive line that is really really what stirs the pot for where they are right about that. Yes the contract for future okay so you make sure that you keep them under contract for for second job. Yep Yeah hold on my job is to make sure I still play at a high level because if I don't play it that high level y'all GonNa be one. Somebody's money back from me so I'm GonNa continue to play at the high level. I'll let you worry about contracts and because if you want me to worry about contracts that's going to call you also because that's the second job you only pay for one job and I wanNA be adequately compensated. Okay where Detroit Roitman say Sunday on Fox ahead of the cowboy game. He said that all you need to do is sit for a couple of minutes with Dak Prescott and you realize he is what two the words different and special different and special that's how he's negotiating as a different and special play different especially useful you the WHO might without why would I watch movies. I notice that Dinsdale is different and special. That's why he gets twenty million have moved our whatever you want to pay and he doesn't really need a team around him because he is the best at what he says. I'm the best at what I do that. What that does really Denzel Nita supporting casts no became a movie by himself? Well yeah probably can no he had no he was done with a lot of no name. It's all access look for the last a couple of years. I've been a starter. Nfl I wouldn't rookie of the offensive rookie of the year and I made about six hundred thousand dollars. You could come to me and my second year but you didn't. You could've come come to me in my third year but you didn't so now for you sandbagging code general relationship the data girls and before you get married you go up a cares is every you're not married for five years. You got started with fire cares. You make away ever get great down what you do. How would you know say guilty the long wait? That's a carrot ten. You won't do uh made I made Ernestine. Wait ten years yes. She cares little hope. No air you go right on twitter rattled Elliott and get your teeth and Care Marine. She did ask those skills skipper fields Tehran Shannon. You're going to be wrong again because this is all about. He's going to get his guaranteed money. But how far do you spread it. Did you do seven years well. Here's the Thanksgiving he doesn't a he would see the thing is what you do Jerry Golf when you do the four digit you already have the fifth year option deal at the but he has no option Russia so you've got the bare minimum start at five and you might go to six so six eighty seven eighty. Oh now you're negotiating do simple one eight thirty a year so seven seven years I need at least two with Annan. Dak Prescott is going to win. Super Super Bowl S Eagle Roll with super-low at one of the highest payed behind a if you want so you admitted he is going to win super bowls. I said if he does he will do it. At the highest. How important was Shannon Sharpe Three Super Bowl rings to his post career career anew unusually important but we give you both way? I've let I have to make that decisions. Get made okay. I'm glad I got Super Bowl rings. I got into the hall of fame and I get to sit up here. beat you up every day and you have to highlight now. You did not need a John Elway you didn't we need Terrell. Davis need anybody. You were the show I see that you go there. You were show where the Denzel of the NFL look ahead take time for the right reason you're doing on the field social media without played in a better place that we bought one nine who is trying to be the show all the time on or off the Field O. B. J. Double Down on wearing his six figure. Watch during game skipping Shannon. We're going to try to make sense of all of us. See Odell Beckham Junior says he will continue to wear his high end designer watch during games the NFL plan to talk to Auberge about watch citing the players aren't allowed to wear hard objects on the Field Odell. L. said the plastic and therefore by the letter of the law is allowed the receiver also said he was just being targeted and if it wasn't the watch then he he would've been criticized for how he tied his shoes. Shannon should Odell be allowed to wear this what they'll know but there's no way there's it nothing in the manual that says how you tie your shoe with an allow they said hard objects allowed now Richard Meal said this watches indestructible so how hard was it correctly Giannis so hard plastic beast if indestructible some hard plan this plan to play. Is this so this. Is this what you want to set up shop shop. This say you know what I'm dropping anchor here I watch and then he says I don't want to be about to watch but I wanted to be about football. We're here. I'll start watching football and he said take tweeted like if he's not if it's not one thing it's something else odio. Do you realize why you're in Cleveland. The ownership said if it's not one exactly take something else I agree that you know what we wanted to be something else with someone else we get out of here are year at the game playing making him the highest paid receiver. They said you know what we move on without you. He doesn't get it skipped and he wants them to make an exception the exception ears else. You can't wear hard jewelry on the field. That's the exception then I'll make an exception for you. What why don't you get that? What what that's what I don't get he look? Ab got attention for the wrong reasons. You do realize that Abe was getting attention all the wrong reasons YEP. Now you get joining attention. We talked about watch. We aint talking about they. Just skip digital low by Bardy image that we're talking about a watch not the gain a watt meal so so to speak Odell saying watch this as in watch me yes where my watch on Sunday because he he has like so many diva receivers attention deficit disorder right you needs attention and he's not getting enough so our my watch watch and now he's claiming that it's become a permanent fixture on his wrist as in he wears it in the shower. He sleeps with it. He never takes off his new wife. The loves his new orange banded worth so it's kind of child like a blank light line on the blankets gives you live. You'll never see that garrity watched guys because we all know during football games. You need to know what time it is. I guess he got up early thirteen so he like overtime hear the game over we we targets. I gotta get Outta here of all the things that that you can stand up and say you know what I'm upset at the NFL about. I'm upset about not having guaranteed contracts. I'm not I'm upset about not having lifetime medical benefits of all the things you want to take a stand against a watch norm Lewis give moving into by the way real quick point you played for a long time. I covered for a long time any player ever worn. Watch you brought up Reggie Roby Reggie Roby but he was taught stop wash time we flights of his and skip that was back in the late eighties nineties. Maybe they changed the rule for that very reason. Maybe but there's a reason mccaskill they have the you check cast is not made of concrete now they made of a hard subject but they don't want people without hard cracking people side. Hey well if reshare army-installed indestructible if something is indestructible. How hard must it be hard as your head but I what what I can't understand why oh dale okay you got the attention? You got two hundred thousand dollar. Watch it. You got so much bread. You could play in it. If something were to happen to it. No Problem Brom good old. Just take the watch off and just ball out you better than this you better than the Bra if it's not one thing it's another what is not proposing to the kicking net. It's the video and the pair of Hotel Room right I I I just I just I just I just don't get it. You got attention. You got the detention that whether you wanted it or not but you can't say you WanNa make it about football when you do it other things besides playing the game of football. I mean you have with the giants so I did watch the giants. I'd never saw older with a would watch when he played with the giant so it just became a thing this year because I guess you know you you know you not in New York notice you don't that is a fact and it's very significant. He's not a paid spokesman for this company doing zone for attention whitelist. We'll maybe he's auditioning. Look I keep on Richard mentioned in the name yeah do it again. Examine what he's like ten I call that three quarters of a meal really dog had on the US Open Yeah I would you know I'm in the PADDOCKS paddocks Patty Lee. They make you say you know that Seiko. I got my SACO visit. Love is destructible not like that piece. That audio got down to say but he says well. How can you wear a knee? Brace aren't those hard objects yell but they have a purpose. Your watch does what exactly for you gas. Give Michelle and talk about the nudity we are here we go to Wanna like BJ but skipped. I dislocated my elbow. I had to have a brace on but I had to have assault couple. The top of the breaks out there yep hard object to the heart and I were in the Pan on top of it. I WANNA play with the breeze and so that's all the fight you compete okay so just Freddie need to get in the mix here and say stop doing this job. Aw Prenatal say nothing radius knitted he did not notice. How can you not see that? You're you're famous. wideout comes out wearing a watch. He's got an the. WB Call me another play too many. Would I get the ball throw him. I directed tabbies yeah. I it's hard considering every drama with O B J and the last thing we talk about is how we actually performs on the field. We haven't talked about it. It's the soft forty three to thirteen years trying. Everything everything that's happened to Odell. SKIP is self inflicted. This is all male the Josh Norman situation the kicking. That's all of this self inflicted. It's not made up we we didn't make light. We need something to talk about. How did this it? He knew he he got exactly what he had hoped for now. We'd won the game yeah but no you can't wear that Odell. Just let's just take it up. I promise you you still GonNa be oh. BJ WITHOUT THAT WATCH OB J. before you got to watch Wjr I gotta tell you when the weather turns cold out there in Cleveland as he refers to he's going to be a little lonesome out there for the big apple aw he's got over. That's all I have to say about it. I'd like to move on from the watch game until we get one to just make sure it is indestructible. We'll have to move on from now now on guys who's climbing up the power rankings. It's skips cowboys but are they being over rated. Mature joins us. Let's his the the cowboys are climbing up the USA Today. Power Rankings Dallas has moved up from fourteen th to seventh after easily taking down the giants thirty five to seventeen on Sunday according to Fox bet the cowboys super bowl odds also improved from twenty two to one up to sixteen to one after their week one on win joining us now is Fox. NFL analyst Mark Sheriff Mark. Are We overrating the cowboys performance less. No we're underrating it on the Raton it. Didn't he play pro football. It's okay we have a difference of opinion. I'm looking at this now. Defensively they are an incredibly talented group did not play as well as you like no have them a blade on the defensive side not but I'm going to go to the office of side of the football for the Dallas cowboys and they are as impressive a group is any group. I watched last last week and I'm talking about. How do you want to beat you so it doesn't matter what you do as a defense we can come out? We can dictate to USA. Hey Man eight-man boxes nine man boxes. We're going to cram it down your throat or we can play the game of how you gonNA match up to this formation because if you're going to give us nickel will run it down your throat. You'RE GONNA GIVE US base. We'll throw throw it over the top of your head. I look at them from a personnel standpoint. They got Travis Frederick back in the middle of the center position. He's an outstanding football player. You look at them across the board. They are absolutely absolutely dominant in the trenches. Zeki Elliott is in my mind the most complete best back in football thank you because he will run you over. He can run around you. He caught the ball seventy seven times last year out of the backfield and in blitz pickup he tries to murder people I mean he is he is. I like to me the best bits blitz pick back. I I watch and now you couple that with Mario Cooper on outside Randall Cobb is a huge huge pickup Donald Donald underneath stuff but all the gadget stuff does jet sweep stuff running out of the backfield and kids named Michael. Michael Gallup is developing helping do a really nice number two in Gallup yet they can they can get you in Jason. Witten can outrun anybody but he just can get. There's certain guys that just had so I look at them offensively and they can go. We can go old school and say this is what we do. We're going to dictate to you or we can go new school. Say shows what you're going to do and we'll adjust whatever ever you can do and we'll beat you that way too. As long as their quarterback continues to have the anticipatory throws that he had last week in the accuracy dad last week and the confidence with which that she threw the ball last week. This is good offense as there is in the national football who we can wolf agreed the our football we yes yes. They do play professional football but they're they're not. They're not gray in Dallas. Here's a rivalry I graduated high school. There were three people in my graduating England but I can assure you I wanted to talk five. We all graduated same graduated nineteen eighty-six but we all were equal thirty two. NFL teams you're you're right accused cop could be but you know me and books. I was allergic. You can't go yeah but thing is that I think the overrating the cowboys because they the bad giant how you go from so limit the question that I posed the skip earlier so they had what about the I think the titans going on the road and reading the browns was more impressive love Green Bay going on the road beating Chicago who won the division last year with more impressive the rams going into Carolina but the cowboys beat a bad up a very giants football teen and now what are you going to super bowl man book mill down. People don't bet big because they do this every year. Cowboys had one beginning in autumn cowboys going to take a little bit of money look five ten dollars. I got a cowboy. Where did the Super Bowl and basic? Thank you very much. There's another room onto. Thank you very much and this is another act we can play for. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You know you know this is overrated if you to jump from fourteen to seven a green bay barely move the rams barely boo the type. No no no. You're all read it and I can't wait. I can't wait for this thing thing to fall local house Shannon Sharpe. I am not ashamed of myself. I'm proud of my shoe would be because my team throughout offseason and it seemed to go on for seventeen months not three or four months. My team was criminally under rated the whole off season in all of a sudden a lot of people are seeing the light now. This has been a good week here on undisputed because a lot of people are coming around to great march layer just came around around because he he analyzes coaches tape. He has high football. IQ And he is saying wait a second. He's seeing and saying hang what Troy Aikman said before the game troy went so far and he is not quicken effusive with praise but he just said I'm seeing roster as loaded as any that I played within the ninety s when they won three super bowls. That's just the potential the roster obviously you have to realize the potential and you have to execute consistently and you gotta go do what you guys were part of. Doing I many times you win together or so and you have how many rings every three three three so you know what it requires to do this but you see the makings of being able to do this. You see the core this team mm-hmm is on now. Let let me so troy mentioned those ninety teams and told the story before but it's worth repeating I went there in ninety before when I was with the redskins and I watched them warm up before offense came out because I was doing short snapping and waiting for offense come out and and I watched them go. I believe it was and you may correct me here but it was irving. Harper was marked to a Nate Newton mark step down skied Larry Allen and Eric Williams it was moves Johnson fullback. It was Emmett Smith at tell Beckett was troy Aikman at quarterback and it was Jay Novacek at tight head and I was watching them warm up and do offense and I was like you know what I played for the Washington redskins and we don't have one joker on offense could start on that offense load it and and I look at them right now and I'm like go man for man down that line of scrimmage. There's maybe a handful with guys came. Maybe your left guard but there's maybe a handful of guys that you would trade and say okay that guy's better than the guy they have plane but it's it's only a handful. That's how that's how I gotta go home and I. I know a lot of quarterbacks your trade to put behind that line can't juice get like five or six right now. I cannot I told you the whole off season. My quarterback was the most underrated underappreciated quarterback in the entire higher league and he might be historically one of the most underrated underappreciated maybe all time under appreciated until now and I think on Sunday you saw his his skills. His Acumen on full display read a giants defense division vision rival. I'm GonNa say it again. That team went on the road last year and covered seven out of eight point spreads because it was underrated on the road. The team showed up Sunday team in the movie the little giants now okay but with with with that set in. I don't think the giants are are great but I will say this about Dak every throw on time deadly accurate and I'm talking about some tight windows so now announced on the all the slanty completed they were they were I was I was impressed now. You know we'll see being plus. He had a couple of over the top that we're just poop. that were were great but I'm more impressed with the underneath stuff because like Shannon Sharpe will tell you this just throwing a post is one of the easiest things through. I got a smash route or you know something. I've I've got. I've got a anything underneath need that holds the safety right right so so I've got a basic underneath that's holding the safety and throw a post behind it and that you don't get any help from that backside Gordon. That's easier throwing football right right. I can throw that up. I just throw it out there and let my receiver just adjust his route and run to that's not a hard throw. It's the on time hit that back. Step whom home inside deep slants deep outs you know those are the throws that to me those those tickets skill set that that your quarterback has and he showed that in week throw war. I'm trying to figure out how we be the team we number four we waited. We drops spots when they do that. Case Keenum keenum you have little to no regard for him. In fact I think he termed him garbage on the show before case Cuba backup he threw for three hundred eighty yards at at Philadelphia against the WHO's back end is flammable in towards Ella. Lsu Bid for Daniel Jones a rookie what we talked all the basket speaking of offensive lines the giants have a pretty decent often don't and they have the according to you best running back in football and they have one of the best corners football say you ginormous Jenkins he he was handcuffed so number one receiver and I think he's just running circles getting oppression corner time you the only good into low pressure. Yeah who's going to get pressure against the cowboys. We'll see we keep the same. The law sees warm ranked nineteenth twentieth and when you play the bears fame will you get dog in Duggan landed Alabama tick. We're about coming on Shannon and kind of what's HAPP- I told you make you feel good. The tied Utha Rivas Davis was an island over adulation say I told I told you so nope. Have you ever been able to tell me so last three years. I told you the cowboys we'll go do another division title to sweating who get happy about that. We do the exact into long exactly. It'll be even longer. Keep you waiting. Just tears me apart about this. This was happening the last ten games last year and I kept saying you see it nope. You're so dug in that you've gone blind. I know what I fo- I saw Tiger Liam uh-huh. What do you call them? No it wasn't that house all of about three hundred on Y'all negative offense just nothing uh-huh Noth- nothing oh nothing quarterback had a QBR of eighty four in that game that's really high on that scale so somebody who really knows football said he played really well played played way better than Jared Goff who had a fifty nine a discount on on that loss you had to take biard of menu to menu but nobody was coming into orbit builds in ails. You won't boy eras must be just famine the Go-to we're going to see what you're GONNA do soldier field into several Aaron Rodgers Gordon Win Yeah Okay after I watched Chicago teams chances in that game ask yeah. He's your quarterback. You will see them this weekend. Law always with us. The headline may read that demarcus Lawrence denied autograph. There is really a lot more to the story than that do skip and Shannon having problem with it so cowboys Defensive Defensive Lineman Marcus Lawrence is drawing criticism after he snubbed a child wearing a giants Jersey who asked him for an autograph a walking away Lawrence said Ed quote get through Right Jersey Son afterwards Lawrence defended himself on twitter saying there are kids with cowboys jerseys. Everyday don't get signatures from players so Shannon. Are you okay with how Lawrence handle this situation. Excuse me this is something I haven't been a professional athlete I get I don't think he should go on on twitter. Double Down on the situation but you can sign a thousand into one that you don't sign become a drive but as a player as a cowboy player as Bronco player Sir my first loyalty honestly I love all my fans but the Bronco fans the guy that have on my juries that come see me on a regular basis. I'm probably going to be at two probably lean in their direction. Yeah I don't know if I'd been is just like just kept walking. I probably would at least if a lot of times get what I didn't sign an autograph. I would at least acknowledge the person out at least out shaky. Shake your hand and don't be like signed today. I didn't WanNa blow the personnel of completely but sometimes I mean you get to a situation. If you decide what I really hate to do this you don't you don't hate to do it but as a child isil skipped even if I wouldn't have signed up probably shook shook his hands today better look next time but I really have a problem with it but I did it but I get. I get what democracy say in unless you've been in that situation everybody's met outside. That's the same things get. My brother was a perfect way before two years before me and added a you'll see what I'm talking about one day I did did so on principle. I'm with Demarcus here because I'm going to go. I don't have kids but I I don't know what would possess those parents parents to send that kid out to a Dallas Cowboy wearing a Saquon Jersey after that game right like what what are the parents thinking. I don't even blame the kid that much he's just sort of your your go get his fans of multiple players. Yeah I mean I mean He. I can the rubs me the wrong way but just on principle because I I sort of grew up in this division rivalry. I what means when you're a cowboy versus a giant cowboys redskins cowboys versus those hated eagles right. It's just a no no you just don't. You're not going to stoop to do that right okay now. I'm going to put myself. I self in his shoe in. I don't know what that feels like on that level but I do know what it feels like on our left right and I gotta I'll tell you if I'd been demarcus in your angling this way. I'm just going to do it because it's more trouble than it's worth not to do. You're going to have to defend and yourself on twitter and as you say he doubled down and maybe that that's a bad look but I I'm still with the principle of it cowboys versus giants but on our our little level here I know what happens when I go out with my wife Ernestine on a Friday. If we go to century city mall or go to the movie somewhere and constantly constantly. I'm stopped for sometimes an autograph but mostly picture and she gets awfully irritated because that's her time and I'll just stop for anybody because I'm just going to do it so I tried to think last night we'll if they're wearing. ESPN T shirt or worse I take t shirt will obviously I used to play wait for that team but still finished by that. Yeah I I kind of am but if they ask for mind that means they're probably watching undisputed right and I'm good to go and I'm going to do any and all of this. Did you see the video Mike Scott who plays with the seventy six all right. He grew up in Virginia now. He's got he played for the seventy sixers yeah which means he's lived. He played in the city of Philadelphia. He shows up to go tailgate at a Redskins Jersey and you know what a fight is GonNa because that's what happens uh-huh yes. That's how deep those rivalries runs in the like if it's just a I'm probably thinking if it's guy walks over the Raiders Jersey I'm probably the beyond is I'm probably not going to sign it because I get a lot of time now now. If someone walks to me well you know I'm not a broncos fan okay fine three hundred million people in the US. There's thirty two teams. There's enough teams have enough fan. I'm not offended by that. I think sometimes it to maybe a female. I'm like I'm not offended by it but I can honestly say I don't I don't think that can never have that ever happened to me but I'm probably given a choice Leslie Bronco Fan or KC or raiders fan a large any rated greater than its chief kids will lose but you could have joked about it with ten dollars as the wrong Jersey but he's got a new fan video decided achieved during the head tornadoes. I by the side over the eighty eight big south eighty both would you really don't understand is the greatest the get carried away skill so if it hadn't been such a young kid you know. Maybe it's a little easier so if I'm in no shoes I'm just going to bite the bullet kind of laugh it off. Ha Ha okay. I'll do it anyway but what. What are the parents thinking? Whoa what's the poor are put my backpack? They can't see the jury can see your face Casey. The jets the giants nearly six move with the enemy you I just just have not been in your position and getting approached the same amount of time so I don't know what it's like. I one time having coffee with you. I think you were approached five times and it just the the reality of the situation when you're in the public guy. You're going to get a pro shoot. I think you have coffee with him. A long time all right about the show things that we use coupons uh-huh losers I had not really realized just what it is like to be a professional athlete in that sense and skip when you go with Ernestine. I understand why she wouldn't really for for every single person but it's that one person that you don't talk to that might change their view on you or maybe not watch the show would buy the thousand people that I did saying exactly the one time see you gotta do the best you can and you poke fun about the Jersey. It's still a little kid. This isn't an adult wearing the wrong jersey. This is a kid he doesn't know any better. That's true better. What what Ernestine gets? The most dear -tated by is that most people want to do a little debate and it's going to take time and we're late you are. Are you willing to debate him well because they'll say hey I love undisputed. I love you a Shannon but you know what you've just too hard on Lebron no I'm not I'm not too hard Lebron because of this three and six in the NBA so you bruise lethal aid about a debate you take time out of your schedule earnestly hold his popcorn once upon Wanna time in Hollywood a great scene in there with Bruce Lee. Don't you don't know that I think we'll wait no hustlers on Friday. You wouldn't see audits J. Lo I might hustle to that one. I'll go and see it are you. Yes but it's tough like I said I get the only problem that I get skip our problem with the double double down and it probably would have just blown probably not even been an issue but now it's not the first time he's probably the first time someone's called this on camera but social aspect aspect. Let me say it goes a long way when you get an autograph and for so many of those fans have been around the national team for years now they spend about an hour our matches signing for these kids and I think that's why they are so respected by the fan base so it's just that one time but it's a good time that is set aside for this. My only issue with demarcus Lawrence is I better see a little more out of him on Sunday at Washington because he he needs to give a better account of himself than he did. We skill you expect a man to get a sack every gal. I need to Sax every game your money. I'm sure everyone always comes up. She just wants to debate Labron so I'm sure what they would say about this. He's got a new active. I'm curious where that may we'll go. We'll tell you now mercy time for our final topic of the day Lebron James starred in blaze pizzas latest commercial as most valuable all employees Ron Lebron or ron walks around hometown of Akron Ohio giving out free large pizzas of people on the street. Lebron is one of the original investors. There's in the pizza chain so Shannon. What is your reaction to who Lebron in the end? What does he a man of the people I know somebody about that would be in an ivory tower more being a booth would've velvet rope draped around it but not my guy my guys a man of the people he loved to be amongst people uh-huh because he doesn't consider himself bigger than the people really yes? You know what's funny last year. He actually often played like Ron. The pizza annoyed. He looked like every game he has to say. There's Ron the pizza guy I it will be many. What got me about this was I? I thought it'd be more like undercover boss where you at least be slightly disguised. He doesn't wear a fake moustache. He wants you to know that I'm Brian. It's Bron Ron Ron. You guess what I'm broaden. I'm passing pizza's. Not only am I gonNA VESTA client is way I eat the pizza and now here here. The three paths really yeah. He's boasting about a ruge on the pizza. Blaze has a rule. I mean boy. I gotta get some of that. Ruger Google you need to go get a blade the great yes this was better than that original fiasco that happens after July that signing remember last July a lot year ago July remember that no when he seemed to suggest on twitter that he was going to show up the next day at the blaze outlet in Culver City here in the La area and what happened it caused a traffic jam in Culver City and then it caused a near riot because Ron the pizza man did not show up at that location. We assume that because he put it out there. He said he might he didn't say rub. Everybody's nose in it by posting on there on the pool there okay we live on his wrath right way to go run the pizza. All these show that Ron Brown the man of the people I will never newsstand office I wouldn't I will always be they. Don't they're not gonNA shoot this commercial L. A. Anymore because he's not loved on the streets. That's okay they. They gotta go back to Akron. Was We win this title. Lv just fine before we go. We do want to acknowledge it on September eleven so many of you are in our thoughts and guys spoke perfect tomorrow morning mercy. Thank you for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm Johnny Taft. Keep an eye out for the weekend edition of the podcast tomorrow morning featuring this week's best list of

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Game 6/NBA Finals, KD's injury fallout, Kawhi/Raptors, Curry/Warriors, Knicks' offseason plans

First Things First

58:30 min | 2 years ago

Game 6/NBA Finals, KD's injury fallout, Kawhi/Raptors, Curry/Warriors, Knicks' offseason plans

"Iver one and welcome to first things. First, stump general, the hall of Famer Chris Carter, this is Nick ride on. Yesterday. I was so upset starting to he would watch the show. The Kevin Durant thing had, it had me up upset had me in a tizzy, but went out from golf with good friend Gus Johnson for the FOX everything. He said, Holo Jenin knows you from the past. And up Gus Johnson in the building. I told you general he did in the morning meeting warning. Those a question on the thing she was like, I don't know. I like this Christmas grouchy yesterday was upset Durant got hurt. He won't be fine today. Her for your over. Those initial impact was shock. You do something new to Siri go, peg Wednesday show today. Knicks hair sees hair my hair, the USA women's team still scoring World Cup goals. Right now in France, the Knicks might have to make some new plans this off season. We'll tell you why we gotta start with the NBA finals, Kevin Durant made his return Monday night, but that ended quickly he went down with what warriors general manager, Bob Myers called an achilles injury. No official word on if it is. In fact that Durant, reportedly traveled to New York for further testing and evaluation. And according to Chris Haines Katie was nowhere close to one hundred percent before taking the court for game five on Monday to the warriors make mistake clearing, Katie to play, you think, of course, of course, whatever doctor because we're results oriented business, so they might even have. Things to build to back up what they said, but the end result was the first competition, the first time he goes onto a court first time, he sees live action. He blows out his achilles. So there's no way that they can feel forget about the public. You saw about mimes Bob Myers runs. Their basketball operation. Do you know before the warriors, you know how many great players Bob Myers that he had control of their career in the palm of his hands. Like so he's used to be able to make decisions like this. That would Bill benefits client now. He's working for the warriors, and they word around the NBA. They run things as good or better than anyone else. He's a stand up guy. People trust them. But when you are talking about an athlete, and one of the best at what they do and you get the type of injury that he had on Monday. You have to build a question Golden State's not sitting around today saying, you know, we did the right thing if they're doing the right thing. Bob Myers crying. Right. Because when you do the right thing you have a conviction to what you did. You also have a bunch of information, and they cannot tell me, you know, something we put Kevin Durant out there, five straight practices, his body responded perfectly. We put Kevin Durant in situations in practice on the court where we stressed out his calf his lower extremities, and it worked out perfectly. No. I competition he blows out his achilles. So I know in dealing with calf injuries, and dealing with a couple of great teen. Doctors, Dr Fisher who was original doctor for the dream team. He was my team doctor for the Vikings, and I look, straighten his face and tell them as soon as you get to X Ray or MRI. I want you to send it to Harlan sells the Miami Heat's doctor because I lived in Florida and he was my personal doctor for fifteen years. So I, I was always getting a second opinion sprained ACL headache. Anything I was getting a second opinion. So I could understand. And the day after the regret of everything. And you have to go back on everything I looked at how his body respond an that I give him the right amount of practice time before I put him into a game and ask the very pragmatic and honest question of if we weren't down three one what do you played would? We've cleared him. Was it situational because of the teams need versus situational to Kevin Durant night said leading into game number four. Toronto needs to win this game. Can they're going to force Kevin Durant on the court. And there's another thing you said that I think debunks Abid, some of the commentary afterwards, which was, this is tragic. This is awful, but no one could have seen this coming. Chris Carter saw this coming the and this is there's an interesting debate going on in the NBA world. Jalen rose got it going with the New Yorker interview about the over importance front offices or putting on if I may guys like me guys against him, so smart, guys analytics guys who didn't play and the lack of importance for an offices are relying on guys like Chris guys that actually have been in it, and you see my pal, Daryl, Morey and a lot of front offices. I think are smart. Some people find them problematic. In the way they do not lean on the expertise of having played the game. And this to me was very real instance of man, there is no formula, and there are no numbers for me. To understand what your body feels like when you have a torn calf where the pressure points are, and the day after this happened. Chris said for thirty straight days till Katie came back on the court. I don't think he's going to play in the finals. Why? Because he could blow his achilles. That was the day before the day of the game. I brought up the reports in the Atlantic that there were teammates, seemingly people in the organization, questioning how hard Katie was trying to come back and upset, and Chris got angry and impassioned and said, it'd be nonsense. He if he comes back to early everything is in jeopardy because you can stress the achilles and it not restrain the calf not have a setback. You can blow your achilles. And then it happened. And so if Chris from three thousand miles away from Oakland could see that this was on the board. Of course, it's the team doctors. And durant. And Steve Kerr, and everyone whose job is to know what's on the board. But where I where I feel badly is Kevin Durant was in a trick bag on this one when he got hurt because if he never comes back, and they win, then guys like me, who, we know he listens to and cares about get to say told you he was a luxury not in assessing and burns him. And if he never comes back, and they lose all of a sudden these boxed in 'cause he's reading the same articles. We are that wait. We got guys on the team thinking, I'm dogging it thinking, I, I don't care. So his only solution was what if I just come back and win, what have I come back and play, great anthro those questions, but that solution came with enormous risk? And we saw that play out in real time Monday night, I wish Kevin Durant. And I know he's got great people around him. Little over a year ago. We got one of our best basketball players in a situation where he said he could couldn't play an organization said he could play. There's only two people. And Kawhi Leonard, and that's his, his uncle his business advisor. And Chris Carter are the only two people that said he's doing the right thing. Now look at Coa quite made it through the regular season but look into decision he made last year. I'm not going out there because my body does not feel right. He got criticized and then we get Kevin Kevin Durant of all the top five players. We have none is less appreciated. None is more scrutinized from a negative standpoint than Kevin Durant. And he forced himself out there, because of all those voice come to the external pressure the pressure from the team from the Twitter, sphere, absolutely played a part, I think what we know about Kevin Durant, sorry Russell Jenna. But what we know about Kevin arenas, he hears everything, and it affects him. He is a sensitive guy and that's not a judgement of evil called me sensitive. Like there's a lot, the but a guy that cares about what random anonymous people on. Twitter are saying about a decision made a couple years ago you don't think he cares about on one side, teammates, whispering. How art is he trying it on the other side, people on television saying he's not that important saying you think that factored into his return? This is what I think is the number one factor every athlete that I know would have tried to get back out there. I'm just saying I wish he had people that can speak into you that have that you listen to their voice. They help you make these tough decisions. I'm not trying to say I know all seal but I torn both my calves used to sit down with the doctor I used to let him know. Are you going to be responsible? If I go back out there and tear my killers, he's telling me. No, I'm not going to be responsible. Okay. I'm gonna go back out there when I feel like it when my body feels like that I can do it. So I'm not going to blame them. But I asked Bob Myers. This question today. If you weren't in your job that you are in now and you were in your former job, and Kevin Durant your Klein and. They are in game number four. What do you tell Kevin Durant? And I'm gonna tell you Bob Myers, a truth teller. Like, I think he is he looks into the camera and say, I'm so sorry. Because if he was my client, I wouldn't had him out there. We got we got agents calling us from around the league, Nick Knight. And that's what they're upset about, you know, much money, Kevin Durant loss when his Killys now much Nick, I was told yesterday thing it's nine figures, not an MBA money. You'll get the max contract anyway but but I got a call yesterday. Exact same thing, which was why did his representation let make this decision and I understand, alternate, your representation works for you, and you can tell them zip it and go out there on your own. But the, the number of companies that were waiting for Kevin Durant ostensibly to come to New York City play next season next season. Now a lot. Let's you'll still be Nike and all these things, but you won't be on the court, but you're not going to be on the court and companies that wanted to build at an endorsement campaign. Around you as a knick, it's at least temporarily delayed. And now it's in jeopardy. It's a it's a nine figure potential haircut right for Kevin Durant. And the other superstar, besides Linder made a decision because you were like man. Why isn't LeBron back? It why is it? Lebron back yet. Why isn't LeBron back, yet because his body and the Representative the people around him were telling him, you can't come back into our health. Ways core. Pool is not a bus ways core. Pool is not a taxi ways core pool is not the metro in DC writers ways core. Pool is not a slug line. What is ways carpool and new app that lets neighbors co workers and fellow commuters ride together to work and home fast drivers say, Hello to that express lane and get reimbursed for gas riders getting affordable commute and help save the planet and carpoolers, get to know their neighbors and co workers a little bit better. And ways core pool is smart. Not only does it match you with people who are going your way, it connects you with people who you'd actually wanna ride with. 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Because for five minutes they played almost perfect basketball, and the raptors could not hit a shot in that eighteen run to start the third quarter. The warriors one game number five why. Well, you could argue because in the twelve minutes, Kevin Durant play. They were plus six. And in the other thirty six minutes of the game. They were minus five and that's an. For the one point win. They and because I thought the raptors really melt the down to a bit meltdown might be too strong. They in the final three minutes. They didn't play the best basketball in the warriors, played almost perfect offense, of basketball, hitting those three three pointers on three three point field goal attempts. What how do you respond to being that close to a title? How do you respond for every player on the raptors collide, Leonard included? Because he's different place of his career this being the crowning achievement of your athletic life. And then all of a sudden he gotta go cross country into that building a place that even though this year you have had success there. And a lot of teams I've had success. There has been a house of horrors, in this league for the opposition for half decade and get a win to close it out. Right then? Or do you have a bit of a hangover from how close you were? And then all of a sudden all the pressure Russ squarely on your shoulders for game seven if they. Can respond to game six like game five didn't happen. They'll be the champions on Friday like they will be your Friday morning, the champions. But if they have a hangover at all and the warriors can jump out to lead and oracle gets running and clan stuff get going, then we could be headed for a game seven on Sunday, which, I don't think the raptors want any part in this is the thing. That's funny. And you get into a series. It's amazing how we put more emphasis on. What was the last thing that happened of core, unless it was something significant as far as injury a person injected? Like when you look at these teams and you look plate five games. All right. Does four quarters of basketball in those quarters Toronto has been a better basketball team? Now, I don't know what people saw from a basketball strategy standpoint in game number five that they thought that oh, goes days got control of this cone state shot the ball. Unbelievable. Twenty three pointers. All right. They may. Twelve war than the raptors mate. Now, you think that they're going to build do that in the NBA final game again? No, they're not going to build to do that. What about boogie cousins? What about Kvant looney? That center position you think they got that solved. No, they got huge problems. And if we go back series, number one round, number one raptors are down to Orlando round, number two down to Philadelphia around them. But three Eastern Conference finals, they are down to love to the Milwaukee Bucks. They haven't been down in this series because they've had control the series. They have dominated the series. It has not changed an the mystery of Kevin Garnett during Durant. He's not coming back. Right. So I think that the warriors have more to respond to then the raptors because you don't the raptors have security blanket, we have Dain, seven back in our place. That's the luxury that we have. Also, we have the confidence of knowing that we can take this team apart. The way we have the last week in half. I think Toronto Ditz to win. I believe they celebrate in oracle oracle it shut down with Sam Payne a lot like the warriors and how they bragged about how they spilt champagne all in Cleveland's locker room fifteen tomorrow night is getting ready to happen. And the reason that and I, I agree with a lot of that, that the raptors have shown you through twenty quarters in those twenty quarters, they've won. They've won fifteen of tied two of them and only lost three like they have been the better team in this series. I understand that part of it entirely, believe me. I do. That's why the biggest concern is how much of an emotional gut punches, those final three minutes that when Nick nurse called that time out, they were wheeling out, the trophies and over the course of those final three minutes the raptors offense, which had been playing so well, one for six and scored two points and the defense, which had done a good job series of St.. Being attached gave Stephan Klay. Good looks. And do you have a hangover from that we saw the closest facsimile to this would have been the Ray Allen shot in game six? And then the response in game seven Spurs did not have a hangover in that game. Spurs came out ready to play. Tim Duncan had a little baby hook shot with forty seconds left to tie that basketball game. He just missed it. Lebron goes in. It's the jumper in the heater champions. But that team had more championship experience than this one. That team had more guys who had been in that moment at that level. Then this one and that team had a coach. Who knew what the moment was? I think we're getting back into. That's the same analysis. You have before the series story, right? But, but see the and we and we have the luxury of seeing five games. But that's the same thing that the public sent before game number one, absolutely correct. And now we will see how they respond to what I believe, to be. Emotionally devastating moment. The most level team with the most level player that thing that we said the difference between Toronto now because of their not a mostly up and down. We saw after they won game number four. What do I do walk right off the core? Just like anything we have to be able to give them credit. We can't start create in things. They talked about in the press conference. It takes four wins. It doesn't matter how many games it takes four wins, and they're still Sango. They are one win away in the desperation is in Golden State because they don't have they desperately that was Kevin Durant. They forced him onto the court and the last game. And there has to be a hangover from that you think the fans in oracle. They don't feel that Kevin Durant, not anywhere in the Bill and Kevin Durant might be in New York. When the game is being played, I believe that we need to watch for as far as hangover effect. Imagine this. The bases are loaded were down by two. It's the bottom of the ninth and we're tired on. I, we've got high quality, low priced mattresses to free pillows on second free mattress protector on third. There's only one player we trust to get us this grand slam. 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But if you opt in, then you're doing your recovery out there. You're around those trainers around those coaches those players when that's not your long term plan. So I think it's what it was before hand which is coming out here. I believe he's still come to New York. I would advise him to come to New York and I believe it's important that he's consistent in his messaging because the free agent class this year it's the catch. It this is this is where you want to be is the best clash. Oh, have over the next five years. So unique. Kevin Durant, the forefront saying, yes, I'm rehab. And, but I just need to work in his ation in one of the superstar to believe in me to start building momentum the win. They're gonna put a championship team. Kevin Durant will be competing for championships. And it's important that he encourages someone else someone like y kyri the Bill. Join them here in New York are moving onto game six now warriors back at home. And they're favored by three points over the raptors Thursday night. Nick, we make the line tremendous respect for the Golden State Warriors in this, this point spread the fact that as we've discussed they have been thoroughly outplayed. We in this series. We obviously know Kevin Durant. Not coming that the raptors one the previous two games in oracle that they're the healthier team right now for this game. I didn't think the rappers would be favored in oracle. But I thought it would be a pick em. The fact that it opened at three and a half is now sitting at three eighties. An amazing amount of respect the betting public is giving to the two time defending champs. This is what Vegas is doing daring, you bet on the raptors just the way when they put the line before the series they were Darren you to bit on the raptors. And if they put a line out there that is supposed to be what it is either one point, or pick them, then everyone puts money on the raptors. That's, that's what they're doing. They've been doing this for years. I'm trying to go up on this, and I swear, I know these numbers but I just know people gambling how they sucker punch you guys in the veteran, this sucker bit NFL now. And it looks like the New York Giants have legit quarterback battle on their hands. Pat Shurmur said the giants will play the very best player, your choices just to recap for you. Now. You lie manning and Daniel Jones, take your pick. See any chance Eli manning isn't the week, one starter new chains. None, no chance they need to stop lying. I get tired of the giants line all the time. Oh man. Eli is playing great football. Remember, we were lying to him about the stats and everything. All man, I watched all the tapes, I watched all the games was Jones came beat out man is bad as ally is and allies, not going to be playing with any type of pressure on him. He's not going to play in the preseason games evaluating them over Daniel Jones. Like this is no compass. Why do you think they the part about this? I don't understand is because they don't know what they're doing. So I just why ten you doing a job for a long time and still obtain you'll John's to make. But the pump to then just have guaranteed disappointment, seemingly that he lost a competition. Why not you earlier? Why not do what I think most seems to do would say, listen, allies are starter. Daniel Jones gonna compete to be the backup. They were that before the drag Ryan. That's all they kept telling us allies got a lot of football left on me. Lies got a lot of foot pain. Now they're setting zones up to lose contradict yourself and try to force him in, when you told us the play a lot more I finally moving onto football teams who scored a Bax give us good sound, namely the Pittsburgh Steelers. They missed the playoffs for the first time since twenty thirteen last season with their divisional rivals on the rise like the Browns and the raven. Some have started to count the Steelers out, but according to the clean shaven, Ben Rothlisberger, even lost a little LB there in the face. That would be a big mistake. We're still the Pittsburgh Steelers. We're still going to go out when every football game. So long time since we've been to the big one. But, you know, like I said, if everyone puts forth, the effort that we all think we can, and with the talent that we have in this room. We feel pretty confident that, that we can we pretty good. Let's see that been this is professional been set. Many camp, I'm gonna get a haircut almond trim. My beer, take my beard off people going to think I lost weight. But you realize and you still double champion still big. Is he right though, that the Steelers shouldn't be playing up the underdog role this season? Well, this is the thing, Pittsburgh Steelers, have always generated, a lot of respect. So people doing shows they can say whatever they want to, but the real football community, the one that really, really matters. They respect Mike Tomlin. They respect Ben Rothlisberger. They respect the Pittsburgh Steelers because long as you've been alive, and I don't care how long you been alive, the Pittsburgh Steelers. If they plan football they're going to put a competent team out there. That's what they've done been Ralph burger is one of the best quarterbacks of his generation, and we know if the league is the same as it has been the last twenty years, and you got a great one. Then you got a chance to Pittsburgh Steelers have that chance. I don't know why though they wouldn't be embrace the nobody believes in us chip that seems to work so well in this league that has worked for other teams when for the first time in a very long time. It's a believable chip for Pittsburgh, because listen over. We talk about them underachieving, but what is true since forget. How long you've been watching just over the last five years since two thousand fifteen only the patriots and chiefs have won more games since two thousand fifteen only the patriots have played in more playoff games. So this is a team that even during an era, where we're saying they have not achieved the level of their talent. They've been more productive and more successful than nearly every team in the league. But now of sudden with the talent going out the door with Ben Rothlisberger going into year sixteen they would have the ability say, oh everyone's on the Browns. The ravens were better than us last year. We're going to prove those people wrong, a just doesn't seem to be authentic to who they are. I don't think the dog thing works. It only works one place, and that's New England don't work anywhere else in the league. There is no other team franchise in the league that says, you know, something we're the underdog and it works. All right. People might try to manufacture that old lack of respect. They brought the dog mass out. They went on a run that team plate remarkable. All right, for them the Bill. Get home field advantage. That's how Nick foles then we're able to win but worlds there's nowhere else. People might say it is a soundbite and the press conference, but that only works in New England because it's an organisational thing you can't adopt something in the off season. So, you know, something this is how the organization is going to run. No. Because guys at their own position. They don't feel that way. But New England because of their stories. Tom Brady all those teams passing over him Eshelman as a quarterback Kent state coming to be wide receiver. They don't have all the household names. They got a bunch of retreads and everything. So they're the only one that this works for, because they do have less talent, the rest of these guys are brash, the other fifteen hundred guys in the league like listen on. Good. That's the reason why I'm here. So you can't you can't sell that. You're trying to sell them a lie. I gotta ask before move on last year. The Steelers where you're preseason pick. Of course, they did have Antonio Brown at least coming out of the AFC. Last year you were at least close you can't rooting for him where where do you have in this year because I know you're so high on the Browns. I think the Browns were the favorite much worse. You think they are this? I think they will be fighting for that tenth win and fighting for that wildcard spot. I mean I don't think the favorites in the AFC north anymore. And that's the first time I feel that way about this in quite some time, and they could be the third best team division. Baltimore returning from the playoffs Vega. The nucleus players is going to have something to say about let's get back to the NBA now the biggest off season story. This summer was already Kevin Durant, and his impending free agency now at his achilles injury. And it's become that much bigger impacting both the warriors, and other suitors the new York Daily News ran this on their back page Tuesday morning Knicks loose game five, according to reports, though, katie's injury is not expected to dissuade teams in free agency, Nick, right? Will the Knicks plans change at all? Do you think I don't think the Knicks plans are changing, but I'm not certain if the public is fully understands what the Knicks plans accurately. Exactly are. I don't think the Knicks were ever just going after Kevin Durant. And you've talked a lot about the Knicks interesting Linter. They, they traded away. Kristaps porzingis. Yes. Young players. Yes. Future first round picks. But they did it because with trading away Kristaps Porzingis, they could get off some toxic contracts that allowed them to Maxell recap spots. Now, obviously, one of those has been earmarked all along for Kevin Durant is the other one earmarked for quiet, Leonard is the other one was earmarked for Kyrie Irving. And now Kyrie is looking more interested in Brooklyn. And the way this could change the Knicks plans is, if qui- surprises a lot of us, and chooses the Knicks do the Knicks than say, we'll whole we win championships right now with by that second Maxell recap spot. Yeah. We, we want to have Kevin Durant. We always wanted to have Kevin Durant, but we would then be sacrificing a bit of the contract with. Quite Leonard, by having that spot Goto a player's gonna play ostensibly for the first year. Now, maybe it'd be back for the playoffs next season. So in that regard, it could adjust it, but it only significantly adjusted in my mind. If coin Leonard choose the Knicks, the one other way affects the Knicks is, I think they are no longer players for Anthony Davis at all because it was going to be Anthony Davis teaming up with somebody in Kevin Durant. And you don't trade for Anthony Davis, when Durant not gonna be playing so he's in a situation, similar the one. He was unhappy and in New Orleans, and they don't, and then he can just leave. So, I think it removes the Knicks as viable Anthony Davis contender, because the butterfly effect of this. But I don't think it affects the Knicks pursuit of Kevin Durant. I think the Knicks. This is tricky right, here, Anthony Davis. The Knicks felt like they had a slim chance to get him. Because even if Anthony Davis comes in New York with the Knicks, he still was not going to agree to a contract extension. So they weren't going to be able to offer their best offer. It's like the Boston Celtics, what they've been trying to go through because we'll eighty sign there. No, he's not gonna build sign there. So they're not gonna Bill make their office. So what you're saying, is that when we were doing the Knicks verse Lakers trade possibilities of Knicks glued in the third pick and all their young players that that's something we talked about on shows like this. But the Knicks weren't actually talking about it, because they didn't think it would be anything more than a one year rental for Anthony Davis, even before the katie's stuff happened, I think round the league people should be aware Anthony Davis is probably only going to sign extension with one team. And that's the Lakers are the clippers clippers decide to trade for him, but it's going to be in Los Angeles. The other team that being Boston. He said, Milwaukee when he demanded a trade any. Of those teams the Knicks he's not going to sign a contract extension. So he will approach free agency next summer in his name will be the top as far as the free agents to get the Knicks, Kevin Durant. He wants to come to New York. They gotta stand an offer you can eat a sign it and you can come, I believe that there. It's hard to say this, but their priority is Kevin Durant, end Kawai side-by-side, not because of the injury before that, before that they were making plans, that's the perfect match for them. And to me, I think it's very, very unique because y who last year, he was upset that people didn't believe in will Colli extend the same thing that Toronto did for him to Kevin Durant, and say, Katie, take your time coming back. Get your body, right? I'll be here with these other guys in. Is there any other superstar that would be more comfortable in that spot than Kawhi Leonard? I believe that's the most intriguing matchup, but they do have a plan, B plan C, which includes other free agents, kyri urban. He does have an interest in plan in the garden with the Knicks even though he does have interest in playing with the nets he will play with the New York Knicks in an MS G and Kimba watch for Kimbe in Charlotte if they can do a sign and trade. Raid in para him with Katie, and with Camden theory, they wouldn't even necessarily have to do that. They could sign them outright as a free agent as well. That would be another option. Yes. For that, the, the most the most nuance, part of this is if Kevin Durant, the beginning, July free agency signs of max contract. But the Knicks which I believe he will, how then do the Knicks use that other MAC celery slot do they try to roll it over to a weaker free agent class next season? Just say katie's probably not gonna be back this year. Let's get the young players experience. Let's get another good draft pick all these future picks or do they try to sign that player right now? See if they can sneak into the eight spot, and then have Kevin Durant nightmare what you know, shining night at the end of the season, potentially show up for playoff. Yeah. I know the Knicks have a list of guys that they like people like Marcus Moore's guys established veteran players that would allow them to be able to win with that one. Ktar. So there's a number of things in play for the Knicks. Very, very exciting stuff. I'm gonna just say this. I'm done with the one year rental right Paul George. He's going to one of the LA teams stayed in o'casey coli. He's going to one of the teams could very well stay in Toronto. So AD I say the Knicks makeup on the flip side to that if quite might leave if they win the championship any leaves than isn't at the proof that the one year rental. Sometimes disease was never an option. Now, all of a sudden Toronto's a pretty good option. We're far cry from where we were when he went to Toronto, where he was just going to only be there for literally, the minimum amount of time, and then leave now I think it's in play that he actually stays. Let's just waiting news. What you know, you're right. What happened with Casey Paul George is not going to stay there. He did stay there, and there is a good chance for why to stay in Toronto. Welcome back, the first things first Sports Illustrated. Senior writer. Chris, Mannix joins us. Hey, chris. How we doing very good. Good. It's a my suit you got there. Thanks shoe. You look at your almost ready Beal staff. Goodness. All right now, they got that out of the way back to game five the warriors were able to rally for a win to stay live in the NBA finals this series now shifts back to oracle for game six Thursday night, the NBA didn't think that we'd be shifting back to oracle. According to reports when the raptors were leading with three minutes to go. The trophy was getting set to be wheeled out, only to be wheeled back in pursuit of the raptors respond after coming so close to winning the title. I feel like the story about the trophy being wheeled out a little bit. What do you expect Trump is going to be there? Three minutes left. It's in the Bill. It's in the building anyway. So you will it right back around. Nobody on the raptors could actually see it coming out there. I don't know what they need to change. Except mentally continue to be mentally, tough as Ben throughout these playoffs against Milwaukee, they go down two games to none. They don't get rattled. They come back and win that series of four straight. They split in golden are split home early on. That a lot of teams might be rattled by that. They go to Oakland and they win two straight. I think their game plan is pretty sound. There were some bungles at the end of that game. I thought the time out was unnecessary. I'm not the way they handled the final play was poor. But I just think they continue to play the way that been playing, and don't let this rattle them. I still think they can go to Oakland win that game six and that is the question to me. The trophy is more metaphorical for how close they were. Right. And they felt it. They knew it that one of the reasons I didn't like the time out at three oh, five was not just because it stopped choirs run it lessened the momentum of the crowd, a degree and got into their hand. It gave gave the warriors a chance to regroup. But it also gave the raptors four minutes. Because his back toback timeout to have the moment set in of how close they were. I think it's one thing while you're playing while you're going up and down to have that you disagree. I disagree that athletes in the moment. Think like what you're talking about. Don't you think tell me if I'm wrong, don't you think if, if any athletes going to think that way it's much more likely in a timeout situation than during possession? I'd only anyone thinks while they're guarding Klay Thompson to forty five till I'm champion. But in time timeout, I don't know what Nick nurse said to him. I don't know what, what the messaging was if it was just closed out. Like we always do or guys if we get four stops champion, and which we've seen guys those, those live films, from after the finals, where we see what certain coaches say to motivate, their guys, you know how we show, the coaches then because then the footage backs up what happened all the time the coaches saying, let's stay in the moment. All right. You don't think about that in that situation, cow, lower was exhausted. Kawai was exhausted. So for the first minute, what you're trying to do is get some type of hydration and Bill to get your nerves to calm down. You are trying to do every breathing technique. That you have in the coaches don't meet what you immediately. They allow you to get yourself together. You have something else to save them. They meet amongst himself, and then they come in, because this, what the coaches know a player's attention span will only last so long, so you are in the moment. The raptors have done everything almost the right way, even though they don't have experience, even though they've never been to the finals, even though we've never seen their coach in this type of position. So in that moment athletes, don't think that way. So we can't say that they blew it. We would have dissolved gets a foul. Call with boogie cousins and he makes those two free throws. Those two points would have been crucial. They were down three at the time, but you are right, do they recover from Nick nurse. Not calling the time out and getting a set play for someone besides. Because you know they're going to take possession. So you think they should have called that time out the second time out with three minutes left? I would call. Time out. But is there not greater value? Yes. Kyle Lowry was gassed Kawhi Leonard was tired. But on the other side. I mean, you've got Steph plan forty something minutes, Klay Thompson playing forty something minutes DeMarcus cousins dragging out there who almost kicked the game away for them at the very end with some of the place, he made, I think this more value. And keeping the defense on its heels, especially when you're building some momentum there, you mean for the last possession, saving last three minutes, the last say, don't call timeout power through it, and I think they're equally is tired there on the floor because they had to come back after that stretch. I remember Brian Bill got criticized because we decided to take a knee in nineteen ninety eight and forced to game in overtime against Atlanta. But Brian Billick looked at me and said, Chris, what should we do? And I said, bro. I'm spin, I'm exhausted. And right now, much rather regard ourselves we are a better team. And let's get to overtime. We're playing at home after the game. We got criticized for when he looked at me, and that time me getting arrest was the most important thing Cal Lowry. He wanted a time. Out Kawai was just doing what why does, but he was such confusion. Right. And we know they didn't go on to win, but there was such confusion at the time even though they had momentum. Right. I thought that that was the right thing to do the best, I think, only defense of the time out is exactly that he was listening to his players that Lowery clearly was wanted in the moment. Now. It's not hindsight me. Criticizing because in real time I tweet it out. I said, I can't believe they, they did they called the time out. The warriors wish they had like the warriors had used their second last time out with five and a half minutes left in that game. So they couldn't stop this run. But again, it's all point if they win if they went on Thursday. It's all point if they are able to go into oracle and recover, we've seen a team taken absolutes, gut punch, the rare, Alan game, and that the Spurs didn't win the championship, but it wasn't because they weren't recovered. They came out and game seven and played great. It was a two point game with thirty five or forty seven. Dunkin just missed that bunny, where he slapped. The court afterwards couldn't believe it. So they were a quick to win that game Miami just happened to be better. I think the raptors a proven over twenty quarters basketball keeps pointing out there, the better team in this series. The reason they would lose is if they can't recover from being that close to the champion reason why they're going to lose because they're guard play if they lose this, because they're guard didn't shoot the ball will Danny green absent two games van bleak. We know he got I'm surprised he didn't have a concussion. He didn't have a big game in game number five, so we need their guards Bill to play well, and all this other stuff is not going to matter. They have dominated. They have won fourteen of the twenty quarters four Golden State, having advantage in quarters. They gotta win all eight quarters in these last two games. That's how dominant the raptors have been if we're looking at everything that's on paper compared to all man, I lost an opportunity, if Kawhi Leonard has level set. This franchise, the way we think he has. And the reason why we. Gave them a chance to build a win the finals, you and I then it will play out in game number six or in game. Number seven those there, ain't no less of a championship. If you went in seven game against Golden State, who's won three of the last four. So let's not get carried away. They lost one opportunity. But because they dominated the series they have two more. This summer of NBA storylines got even steamier with Kevin Durant injuring game five Monday night in not only impacted the warriors title chances, but it seemingly affecting other teams interested in landing the superstars. Well, according to reports though it's not expected to dissuade all teams in free agency. Mannix surprise teams are still interested in K D. No, I was one of those reports in the aftermath of the injury, I spoke to hap- exemption half dozen teams. And I just ask them in sort of a general way with this stop you from offering. Kevin Durant Amax contract was no. And if you look at the circumstances of some of the teams that are interested in Kevin Durant, the Knicks. What options do they have if they don't lock up Durant to a long term contract next summer's free agent class is not very good. Anthony Davis at the top of it, but we have no idea. What is going to do once he's eventually traded after? That it's like Draymond green, and then a few other guys, the clippers team also Winston Durant, if they don't get Kawai Leonard there in the same predicament. They were a feel good story all season long. What they did after Tobias Harris, but they can't go into next season. With the same type of they've got to go out there and make a big splash. The bottom line is there a number of teams out there that are willing to pay Kevin Durant for four years in order to get him for three and that's how good he is. He's one of only and that's what they'll be doing now. There is listen. The guys have come back from this injury in eight or nine months. And if you just play out nine months from June ninth when he got hurt, you would say okay, so that would mean he would be back for the very structure on of the season and the playoffs. If the team is a guy that got into this position because he rushed himself back to early. I don't think he's going to push himself back until he's all hundred per cent, right? Most likely year. Well, I, I disagree with the premise that, it's, it's most likely you're. Could be your Dominique Wilkins said, I nine months to practices a day to work out today came back, he got hurt in the middle of a season came back by the beginning of the next season, an average thirty points again now he is the best case scenario d most feel-good story about Kevin for someone that dealt with an achilles. But you, if you sign him you have to recognize that what you're saying very well could be the case, which is he is not going to play at all that first year, but he is so good, even at worst case scenario thirty two year old which is what he would be coming up and Killys guys at his level, or a bargain on Amax contract, so you can make it work when you'd be paying him for four years and only getting in for three. I think it's more important to look at the more recent injuries. We've had as far as athletes, given modern day medicine given the techniques that are totally different than what they were fifteen years ago. Dominic wilkins. Yes, we use him as someone that we talk about what the Killys because he was able to come back and play at a high level and he's a very explosive two feet. Jumper. Like that's all he's ever been so him coming back with significant, but modern day medicine has changed so much in the number one way to indicate how athlete will recover is what type of shape are they in? So I think the numb the, the last guy we saw tears achilles was boogie cousins. I think that's the best example. And if you look at Bill boogie cousins, and his body of work compared to Kevin Durant, so you can expect at least the same timeframe because Kevin Durant his body should heal a lot quicker than boogie cousins. He takes better care of himself. He's does more cardio than boogie. Boogie is never been a well condition basket, even though last year in New Orleans was the best shape that we'd ever seen him. I just believe the last athlete. Boogie cousins is the one from a time stamp point, and boogie might have been ready, but he had the luxury of waiting because he was in Golden State. I expect Kevin Durant to refocus his whole life with this Galvin. Sizing moment, and I expect to see the best Kevin Durant these last four to five years, wherever he decided to go. And I know the Knicks, we'll give him a max conscious regardless of what the injury is on. I do agree with though, when it comes to Durant, specifically, if it's like April and he's cleared to play. I don't see him coming back. I it's not the same thing but porzingus new all season long. He wasn't gonna play. He was going to recover fully from that injury and go into a training camp next year. I think Durant will be the same way. I don't think you'll see him rush back to get into a playoff circuit this speculative right now. But if, if unless he's the Adrian Peterson of healing out there, I don't think he's gonna come back and play next year. Now, what he should do is if that max contract is out there opt out and going get it this, this, obviously, has the option of triggering that option and going back to Golden State for thirty one half million and there is something to be said about recovering on the warriors dime. But you have to look at the context of the. What's the benefit the recovering done not a lot not? Especially if you get the benefit is you can go and get us don't mind all the guys got medical insurance. You recovering on MBA's dime, no matter, right? But I guess the hypothetical benefit is if you spent all year recovering there, the next offseason, you get a four year deal. So essentially, you're five year deal at that is the one benefit is exactly that is instead of the contract expiring. Right. Four years from now to sponsor. Because less teams have money the Knicks can't wait. You just the clippers can't wait. Like can you go to a spot and built because this is legacy is about was forced to wait though. They can't wait, if Durant out there in vailable, if he's not available some teams might be forced to wait and they'll be teams that have cap space to give it to him. But you're not advocating he up, don't know this is what I'm saying what I was getting to was if you look at somebody like John wall and John wall back a few years ago took the bird in the hand. Didn't wait for the supermax contract to become eligible. He took his max contract. Number didn't roll the dice, if you're Kevin Durant. You don't know how you're going to recover. You don't know there might be a setback. There might be a reinjuring we've seen all the time in professional sports, you opt out, because if you're told this rich climb has got to do his homework. But if you're told that you're gonna get a four year max contract offer you go out there and you take you take that money when it's available to you, and the for for the Knicks. This is a no-brainer. They now what they do with the next. Owlry. Capsule slot is too much more complex. Do they try then to? Wait on that. Do they try to let the young players developed? What do they do with that other cells that falls with what the Knicks have to do this, so many people that have to wait and there's so many pieces to this? What's the first domino? Kevin Durant is the service. And see what he does. Yes. I think the trickle down effect where it gets really interesting the ripple effect throughout the league specifically when it comes to Kyrie Irving and a what kyri Irving is thinking right now after watching Durant go down. There are a lot of people that really believed throughout the league. The Kyrie's Brooklyn like a lot of people really believe that's happening. But if he goes to Brooklyn alone, or if he goes with say, Tobias Harris or somebody else does that change the calculus. Does he go to New York knowing it might just be him in New York alongside Kevin? Knox Mitchell Robinson is that committed to leaving Boston to go to New York. One of the New York teams without Kevin Durant at least vailable for the first year that to me is the most interesting part of all this, I think the way this land for the Knicks. And I think you agree is Kevin Durant signed with them and they sign a guard not named Kyrie but signed signed guard named Kimba and they've Kimbe in the young guys RJ Barrett as the core for this year. If Kevin comes comes nine months into recovery. Then that team should be by the way that team should be able to be alive for the playoffs. Kim kim. It's Charlotte think he's going to be, though, like, do you Charlotte's gonna nickel and dime him like that, that Michael Jordan mall? I yes I do not think one guy, you know, the supermax note, but the full max at with there's a visit great just because you're eligible for the supermax doesn't mean you have to get the supermax there's a number. I think they could come to given what Temba means that organization. Back in the finals now Kevin Durant is reportedly here, New York for further testing and evaluation of his achilles. According to Chris Haines Katie was nowhere close to one hundred percent before Monday's game five. See the warriors made a mistake clearing, Katie to play a milita mistake because I have the ability to build a look and see what the results were. And I know that they can't prove it out being that they did did they do the right as far as rehab. They did to do the right thing, as far as we're gonna try to get him some type of exercise. Yeah. They probably did. But then there's that next critical period, and it's called court time, our field time pure soccer player football player Lincoln, I get out in my position in do functional activity. They said he played a little bit of three on three a little bit of two onto Jalen rose. Good friend of mine set man. He saw. Workout last week. And it did not go well all along I was concerned I tore both my left and my right calf, and I was always concerned about Tara my Killys. I said the more the morning of the game that I was concerned about Kevin Durant, not decaf, but the pressure point to that calf. Is that achilles that attachment point at the bottom of your heel? And when he went to grab that, that was a frightening to me. So there's no way anyone that organization wakes up today with a clear conscience that, you know, something, I'll swear on a stackable 's that, that if I could do this all over again, I would do the exact same thing, and I believe that because Toronto they win critical game number four and the pressure, it started mountain, not only outside pressure, but the professional pressure that we have is athletes, that I wanna be out there with my teammates, I want to, and that, right there, Kevin Durant succumb to all those things pushed himself out there. And we saw what? Happened. So there's no way no one network station is not sitting back and saying, you know, something I wish I had done it different. And I just believe this if I put troops in, in Bob Myers, put it in his arm and put him in a chair and strapping down, and he was because he had a job before as an agent. Yup. He represented a lot of powerful players. Great players and I don't think that he would have given Kevin Durant, the same advice if I'm his agent and I'm directing his career, and he is less than a month from free agency. So what he did now in his job is totally different than what he would have done for his client in the last job. Because his interest, his number one inches is the organization. It is not those individual players. And that's where you get a lot of confusion. When you're does a player play our does a player sip. But Nick your damned if you do in your damned if you're don't in katie's decision situation. Are you not? He ended for. For a guy who cares as much as Katie appears to care about what is said and believed about him. He was he was boxed in at this point. And he was boxed in this regard that you had guys like me saying for the better part of three years. He's a luxury not necess- ity, and I'm not being self important. When I throw myself into that. We've heard Katy named check me specifically and others about that exact commentary. And then something every athlete, I would think care about what might teammate and coaches think about how hard I'm working to get back. You had all of a sudden a little leaky rumors and sources that in that part, I don't believe to be true. I don't believe that the warriors thought Kevin Durant could've played. I don't believe clay. I don't believe Iggy. I don't believe Steph, I don't believe drama. I don't believe those players because I don't believe any of those players thought that he could be on the court with the injury that he had. And that's the team right there. I could care less about the rest of the guys this, but. When people hear Chris say, of course he shouldn't have played and wonder if this is a hindsight being twenty twenty Christopher thirty days was saying, Kevin Durant was not going to play again in these playoffs. Why? Because you are risking your achilles tendon not because you could hurt team defensively, not because the calf could get re-routed it's because of what you were worried about. And this is where the insight of Lizama math guy. I'm a numbers guy. Analytics? We're seeing a lot of guys like me, some of them fresh off television getting hired to front office jobs. Jalen rose in a different commentary brought up with the New Yorker how problematic that isn't being BA that these seem to be going away from the value of having played the game with the value of having played the game even though for you. It was the NFL not the NBA was you've actually torn your cats. You actually felt the burning sensation in your achilles and knew what Kevin Durant was going through there. So they're so there, there is that element. And also, we have to tease this forward. The goal was not for Kevin Durant when they cleared him not for into play game five shrimp, to play game five on that bad calf and we can to kill and then play tomorrow on it. And then play Sunday, the goal was for governor into play three games in six days. I'm pretty certain I said that, what did hit that he was not capable of doing. And that was the only reason you bring him back is because what you're facing elimination. He got to win that one. Then when the next one, then we in the next circumstances were different. There's no way the warriors would have rushed him to get back. I don't think so. I don't think Katie would have rushed himself if they were up three one two. Invest himself external pressure. I think was all the above. I think players wanna play. I think he's a competitor. I think he loves basketball more than anything in the world. And I think he heard the voices. But when we say that the words make mistake it wasn't just in letting him play. It was the messaging of this whole thing. What's Joe lake of doing last month in may saying Kevin are going to play in the final. He will definitely to- Stephen. He will definitely make appearance in the finals. How Zeno and what's he's the owner? Why did the warriors instead of just ruling him out indefinitely? Slow drip, this to where it was a constant storyline to where all of those things. All of that led us to where we are right here today. That's the there's a constant theme in New England. That's why you never know about the injuries guy. Hurts his ankle. You'll notice his ankle, you'll say, lower extremity, so they made a lot of mistakes along the way. I just know that personally that the interests of the organization, it always outweighs the interest of the. Player and Kevin Durant. I hope he learned something from this, and Nick is my partner, but I'm just gonna tell you Kevin Durant any other star out there. Don't listen to people like him, you shouldn't give a damn you shouldn't give them what they say. He won the best players at what you do. You are super special don't be listening to him because they don't know. You might tell you what, they know they know something about athletes rubbing her feet when they heard, they don't know nothing about being athlete, and Kevin Durant should listen to his body. He should get more in this whole thing, what he's to get is a whole bucket of I don't give a damn about Nick. Right. And other people who, don't participate because his body is his moneymaker and his moneymaker took a tremendous hit. Now, I'm going to tell you as an athlete, I would've tried to play like Kevin Durant. I would've taken responsibility. No, it was me it wasn't a doctored, pushed myself out there, and I believe that's one of the big differences. And one of the reasons athletes pay their agents. Those commissions is not just in a Goshi eight contracts. Katie negotiate. Contracts in the NBA. He gets a max contract wherever he goes, it's super tech you from yourself stay in your ear. And so this is where we criticize an agent named rich Rich Paul Allott for advocating for players too much rich climbing. Maybe should advocated for player a little bit more. Thank you for listening to the first things. First podcast, remember, leave us a review and tell us what you think subscribe to the podcast on apple podcast and cast us on f s one Monday through Friday, six thirty AM Easter for Chris Carter, Nick. Right. I'm Jenna Wolfe song, buddy.

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The Sedano Show (HR 2): Did Kevin Durant take a shot at Michael Jordan?

"What's up with you here on? Espn presented by progressive. Insurance guests appear via the shell. Pennzoil Performance Line Keith. Law GonNA join us to talk. Some baseball is one of the best in the business from the athletic. Got New book out. We'll talk to him about that. It's all brought to you by my computer career training for a better life. Oh man so during this. I want to let people behind the curtain. I know I was GonNa Talk Basketball here and I will. I promise okay but during the break we were having the discussion continued discussion about Clayton Kershaw and Justin Turner and then got back into the contract thing and you said because someone tweeted that were you got three years eighty million and I said but you said a hundred million and then you said vehemently that you did not say a hundred million now Laura you also said one hundred million however we went back and Laura grabbed the tape okay and I need the audience. Help on this okay. As a matter of fact I need the digital team. I don't know if it's Janice or Carlo today to have this audio to and ask if this counts that Greg said one hundred million or not. Okay because we were talking about Clayton Kershaw next deal after this current one is up. Okay which is two more seasons so he will be thirty three years old and I said you think he's going to sign another hundred million long-term deal and you said three million one hundred and stopped yourself and then changed in mid sentence. Because that's what you do. That's just normally how you talk you change in mid-sentence time but we have the audio and I want the audience to say. Does this count as a one hundred million dollar contract for Kershaw by Greg? If this this audio justifies Greg set one hundred million yes or no now I want you to line up at eight. Seven seven seven ten. Espn Laura play the Audio. You think link ourselves going to another long contract. Yeah I do absolutely at least three years at least three four years one hundred absolutely. He's thirty one years old. He's the best regular-season pitcher in baseball and he could easily go to somewhere like Texas was we. Can you trust that Clayton? Kershaw is going to be another long contract with his injury history. Absolutely one hundred. You stop ourselves because you you different. Thought you said one hundred. Because I didn't I knew I didn't want to actually say one hundred million dollars because a hundred million dollars seems like a little bit too much so no and then later on which is now calling. I'm calling collusion. Because Laura refuses to go back and find the part where I said three to four years. Twenty to thirty million dollars. That is not one hundred million dollars at least three years. Twenty to thirty million dollars. I have one thing to say to you greg. Take the I'll play the yourself yourself up Laura Laura play. That's it was excellent setup. Laura Great Job by you Laura. Play one more time but you could just stop it after he goes absolutely one hundred absolutely or whatever it is he said just after that part stop it so people could clean. Carson was going to get another long contract. Yeah I do actually at least three years the absolutely. He's thirty one years old. He's the best of your fine. We don't have to play anymore. You one hundred hundred and then I stopped and it was just cut off in the middle of one hundred. Didn't even WANNA finish that sentence so I went? I went back to what I was talking about before. Does that Count Eight Times. You said that ten. Espn eight seven seven seven. Ten three seven seven six. Does that count? I Need People Laura Lineup on the phone. Okay lineup because I need to know what the people think. This is a show. This is a station of the people and we will let the people decide if greg takes the L. Does Greg get a w. There Greg take the l one more time kind? This is what you love so much. You just love me. Getting l's that's all you care about on only for all I care about the does Kinda helped move the show along a little bit. Sometimes I so draymond Green Laura Real quick draymond green draymond Green Kevin durant sound before we get to those calls. Draymond green kind of took out Kevin Durant so he was talking about the last dance and talking about how you know the whole Scottie Pippen Jordan thing and how Jordan should have gotten his back and Blah Blah Blah but he equated to what happened with Kevin Durant with the warriors. Let me hear that definitely hit close to home. We have a very important piece of our season. Who was a piece of that season? Which was Steve? Kerr and I think Phil did what was great which is acknowledged elephant in the room. You know because all year they would. Phil doesn't do that all year. Everyone else is dealing with that somewhere. You know and whether it's coming in question so now once you get these questions from the media we've already addressed that as a team. We really don't need to talk about that. And our situation was a little different and from the standpoint of it was contracts but it was on players you know it wasn't necessarily the organization so Francis like Kevin took the one year deal or his own so that was kind of the elephant in the room. So he he basically said that Kevin should have just been straight with people now. I'll say this it's his right to not be straight with people but at the end of the day he did cause more strife he could have just simply told people You know what was going on their show. Here's the one about his actual contract. Go ahead. That was kind of the elephant in the room. And all those Steve. Were Kinda hit on of like? Let's just enjoy this year for what it is because we don't know where you're next year hose. Aac didn't carry necessarily carry the same weight because what should have happened was Kevin. Come out and say hey man like like this. Is it like so. Let's let's do this or this isn't it. You know what I'm saying but you can't just leave the elephant in the room. Because what happened was the question came to us every day. Like Klay Myself was is about our contract every and it was strictly due to Kevin. You know because wow that was worn on clay saying I WANNA be a warning from like I WANNA be here. We started this thing. This is why I want to be and then you kind of have Kevin like what I'm GonNa do next year like and it don't matter but it does matter because you're not the only person that has to answer that question and to be quite frank with you. You're obviously the last person that has to answer the question. Because you don't really say save much to the media as anything you tell them to shut the now. Here's where I'm with Draymond had Kevin Durant just said. Hey I'm not talking about my contract and move forward it would have been over. Lebron did Lebron's done in a number of times and look. Kevin Durant has taken the lead from Lebron. A bunch of times and let. Let's face it if you think about it. This is no disrespect to Kevin Durant. I'm not trying to do this. Because we all have people that we emulate now some of them may be competitors. Some of them may not be but Kevin Durant is basically taken what Lebron has done historically and molded it to what he wanted to do. I'm stunned that that was not one of them that he didn't just say. Hey you know what I'm GonNa just tell you know. I'm not talking about this and guys if you keep asking me all you want but I'm not gonNA talk about it. Don't ask my teammates. Let's just I'm just focused on basketball. And if you do that enough for as intrusive as the media can be particularly the NBA because relationships matter so much in the media you're just GonNa go away and just be like I find. He's never going to give us the answer we want. So we'll just give up so you can control the message more I think in the NBA. Then maybe any sport because of that because of the accessibility because of the need for accessibility for the media and I just don't feel like he I don't think he played any of that last season right now granted. Some of it was out of his control with the injuries or whatnot. Like that was just bad. But I'm just talking about the stuff. He could have clearly control. So I'M GONNA dream on on that as much as it was Kevin Durant's decision and he has every right to kind of take the position he wanted to take. He could have just ended it very quickly by saying guys. I'm not talking about it and don't ask my teammates because nobody knows I haven't figured it out. I'll let you know when I know you'll know and that's basically what Lebron because think about it. Historically what Kevin Durant has done. It's been a lot of following Lebron's lead and I'm not saying something that's out of. Turn here Kevin Durant wants. Did a story for sports illustrated that said I'm tired of being number two and it was in reference to Lebron being the best player on the planet. So I just think that when you look at this particular situation and you're Kevin Durant you probably could have handled differently because you you took Lebron which was going to Miami and did it on steroids by going to the Warriors. Lebron joined a team with weighed in Bosch title. But they hadn't won as a group you know like the guys. The only one carryover from the team that Dwayne Wade won a championship with whereas with Kevin Durant. While it's his right and I don't blame him for it. I'm not doing that so don't take it that way. He said he took the Lebron model and just crushed it. He broke it. He was like that who needs. Who needs that Dallas series? I don't need that in my life. I'm just GONNA go and I'm GonNa go get get me a title right away. I'm GONNA fast track that thing and once I get that then it's going to be over. People are GonNa like me just like they did. Lebron you know. Eventually once he won people got over the villain stuff. Except here is the miscalculation Kevin Durant did in regards to trying to emulate what the brand did kind of skip a step was the skipping. This step was something that people were going to hold against him. The fact that Lebron lost to the Mavericks was as much grief as he took and look even he has said in the past that he didn't handle that season well he didn't handle the stuffy said after that series well even though I liked it because Lebron was just real when he said that thing after that final series against the mavericks where he was like. Look y'all can just go back to keep rooting against me. But it doesn't matter I'm going to go back to my life and you gotta go to yours. Which probably isn't as good as mine. Now I'm paraphrasing. But that's basically what he said and yeah it's probably not the smart thing to have said but he got it off his chest and sometimes that's better whereas durant because he didn't have to endure the struggle of losing the first series and let's face it the ridicule that Lebron took in losing that first series. Lebron talks about it all the time where Lebron went into like this two week hibernation like literally said that to me once that he was he went away for two weeks and wouldn't leave his room. Okay like he grew a playoff beard but accept. It was the off season and he didn't WanNa talk to anybody. That in retrospect he was like even distant from his family that he was so depressed about the way. That whole thing went. But that's what motivated him and it's no different than what we're doing here with the last dance because what we're seeing now for those who were getting an education on Michael Jordan struggles and how Michael Jordan wasn't just the guy in the Youtube clips or the highlights on ESPN. We're hitting game winner after game winner shoulder. Shrugging against the Portland Trailblazers. No Michael Jordan got cut as a sophomore from his high school team. Michael Jordan wasn't a prodigy as a kid. That's actually even different from him. And Lebron. Now Lebron's family circumstances were way more unstable than Michael Jordan's and Kevin Durant too for that matter but Jordan had to work to become the greatest ever. He didn't have the natural ability that some of these other guys have like. Lebron as greatest. He is has more natural ability than Michael Jordan and is more gifted physically than Michael Jordan. He has that over him coming in even though he had a much tougher and unstable family life than Michael Jordan did but back to my point which is if you're Kevin Durant. That was a huge miscalculation and dream on his one hundred percent right about that. Lebron was able to endear himself a little bit through the struggles. Because that's what we want. We live in a society and it doesn't matter if it's sports if it's entertainment. We live to build people up to tear them down to eventually build them back up again. Okay that's every walk of life and it isn't just sports well certainly just isn't the NBA. Looking we did to Michael Vick. Michael Vick was the hottest thing in sports for for a minute. And then he went to jail and he did his time and now people look back at him differently after a thirty for thirty because he works in the media now right because he's an advocate and clearly an advocate for dogs now. But it's the life we live. Unfortunately I'm not saying it's fair but it's the reality and because Kevin Durant skip that step of the struggle per se unlike Lebron people like NAM in. We're just not we're not messing with. You is not the same. You're not like Lebron. You just skip the step. It's like playing monopoly right. Pasco collect two hundred dollars right. It's the same stuff so of course he's not GonNa get the same recognition and that's why he ended up leaving Golden State and he walked away from a situation where they were GonNa Win Championship After Championship. After Championship. And I'm stunned. That he did it. I mean I had these conversations with Michael Thompson forever about that. He'd ever I mean he lost a cases bottles bottles of came as everybody at this damn station. Michael is not happening. And that's the difference and that's why he should just shut it down because he wasn't winning the battle of public opinion. Anyway Franken West covina frank which up bar Bergman. What'S UP MAN. It totally counts man. Get Out of you know Frank. Frank Frank Frank. Hold on for those. That don't know what happened earlier and I'm sorry that we didn't get to the phone earlier. Frank Bergman and I were arguing about Clayton Kershaw next contract right. We were talking about after two seasons from now when he's a free agent again. I said You'd think he's GonNa get a long term deal and Bergman said that we were arguing in the break that he said that he was going to get into their one hundred million dollar deal after this one Bergman said no chance I said one hundred million dollars we played this audio. Play it Laura Do you think clinker show is gonNA long? Yeah I do I absolutely at least three years. These three or four years one hundred absolutely. He's thirty one years old. He's tried stop. So Frank you say that counts. That counts man. You gave it up. No that doesn't count. I was I didn't finish the thought. The thought didn't even get finished. Frank Talk You man and you and you but we know what you said people talking. You know what they meant. Thank you frank. Can you do me one favor frank before you go? Don't do it say. Hey Bergman take the L L thank you Fred. Eight seven seven seven ten. Espn eight seven. Seven seven seven three seven seven six if you wanna give Bergman and L. or w feel free eight seven seven seven ten. Espn I apologize. Because I didn't get to the Kevin Durant they're gonNA shut Lebron part of this equation. We will do that next. Stick around back and four minutes here on seven ten. Espn presented by Progressive Insurance. Making it easy to bundle your home and car. Insurance and by straight talk wireless Keith Law is GonNa talk some baseball with us on the other side so we'll get into that Bergmann took an L. There you know what Happens Bergman. You can take an ill. I take all the time for this show. I mean it's your it's your own doing. It's not like we're just playing back audio things you said. It wasn't anything that we made up of by any stretch of the imagination. We had a call on my side of the break. Do we still have that caller? Laura now didn't WANNA come on air but he did say that Greg was trying to say one hundred percent not one hundred million. I don't know about about that. Yeah Chico at Highland Park WanNa talk about G-go. Hello you all right. Here's the thing Bergman said a hundred and then he give him confirmation absolutely. I mean took the L. Absolutely took the El Sisi. No absolutely point absolutely had to do with your original point. It wasn't about one hundred saying that he did. He did get you Chico. Stay there for a second Laura. Play the cut again until he says absolutely. Jeez CHICO DROP. Let me hear the cut again. Because she goes right. You didn't actually give yourself your own confirmation bias contract Yeah I do I at least three years. Three or four years one hundred absolutely. He's thirty one years old. He's the best pitcher in the the. The absolutely has nothing to do with one hundred part to the point of I didn't even remember saying the word one hundred in the break. We were talking about this. The word one hundred was demon connected my brain right but clearly your ears in mind lied to you because you said one hundred. This is what my girlfriend's always talking about how I don't remember seeing as I say I as much as I gave you grief for her telling you to dress at the grocery store. She's right about that. That's I'm sure there's no doubt about that. Hey so I mentioned earlier that Kevin Durant was talking about the Jordan back and Greg. Do you believe that people can complement one person but also kind of subtlety throw shade at another? Yeah absolutely there. There's something when they're talking about it. They're not always talking about that. One thing it's always something else behind it right so what I would say is particularly when you're talking about the greatest player conversation in the NBA. We always hear about Lebron and Michael. That seems to be the thing that gets the most traction is that a fair way to assess it. Yeah I agree with that. Okay so Kevin Durant was asked about ranking Michael Jordan. And here's what Kevin Durant said on the boardroom on ESPN plus psychologically. How do you write Michael Jordan? One being a best bobby. The worst one ball handling one defender one mid range jumper zero zero three ball see. That's the one shooter lot. 'cause he's so dominant us at three point line and needs to shoot me but what he did he still down. But I'll give I'll say three passing the was a leap passer. I will give them zero to one. I gave him one teammate. Say teammate okay. More for that too because he he just everything will leader from somebody. Who's GonNa take you to the promised? Land ones on everything except three-point shooting. He went on to say he's the best to ever do it. Do you believe that is also a jab? Remember I said in the last segment. Kevin Durant wants today. Sports illustrated story that said I'm tired of being number two in reference to Lebron being the best player on the planet. Do you believe that was a shot at Lebron? Who that one's a little bit tough? That's a that's a tough one for me to go on I. Michael Jordan is the best of all time it everything out of all those things I so no. I don't think I was a show. I'M GONNA go the opposite way the New Year George. I don't think I think I think because those two are so competitive against each other and durant thinks like durant thinks. He's the best player on the planet. He doesn't think it's Lebron so it annoys him that Lebron even gets in the Jordan conversation because he thinks right now. He's better than him so I think it's absolutely knowing the players involved and their more recent history. I don't think there's any question I'd love to Ramona. Says about this tomorrow. Because she's going to be in the riding shotgun with us tomorrow. She's going to be on the show tomorrow all show. I would love to hear what she has to think about this. Because I I saw stephen a Smith and Max debating today on first take and they both believed that Kevin Durant was absolutely taking a shot at Lebron in that scenario. I mean those two guys are much smarter than I am. Obviously with all the ells I take but I mean if you ask Kevin Durant who number two was on that he'd say himself and then after that I think he would say three would probably be like Kobe or something like that then. You're starting to take shots at Lebron. At that point once you start naming other guys ahead of Jordan naming Jordan. The first in anything is not ever taking a shot at anyone else. But you don't think you don't think it's weird that Lebron was like the only famous person not talking about this documentary yet when it aired. Yeah I'm a little bit odd for him not to do that. Because he's such a basketball head in the book and he was like he was the one that went on the Richard Jefferson Allie Clifton podcast and channing. Frye road trip in and said we need to get the documentary come on ESPN. Remember like him and Richard Jefferson. We're talking about so. I was expecting him to be all over this the other night and it was like crickets. I mean Lebron is very careful about everything that he says right everything as he should be yes so anything that he would have written on social media I think would have been misconstrued matter what it was or do you think that it was also calculated that he was like. I ain't gonNA write about this 'cause I need to see the whole thing I before I make any comments and and again it could be both those things right. It could be. He knows that anything can be misconstrued hence why he's calculated but also like NAM and I think I'm better than this dude. I if we if we see him say I think I'm better than this dude at the end. Then the debate rages on and he probably gets killed for it by from a lot of people and it's all over social media. It's all over. I Take I mean Hell. We'll talk about that for how long it would be great. I don't think he's going to say that. No but I think he listened. You talk to people around Lebron and they think that after that Cleveland Championship. The one that they beat the seventy three win warriors that he's like man that's better than anything. Mike. Did you know what I'm saying like that people that are close to him. Believe that and and there's coincidence. I think that Jordan agreed to take the pitch meeting as Ramona told us on the day that the cavs were celebrating their championship at their parade. Okay and that. The warriors had beaten their regular season record and not to mention that the producer said to him. You got a bunch of kids coming into my office. Who Wear your shoes? But they never seen you play like he doesn't WanNa be he doesn't WanNa be forgotten like think about that for a second. I wouldn't either. Because yes people know him as the brand but people are forgetting him as the player when. You're just youtube clips and this is a way to educate people so. I think all of that is involved here. I think there's a huge I've said this to Kishan and L Z and Travis during crosstalk a couple days ago like. I think that there is real acrimony but I think that there is not. It's not warm and fuzzy those two Lebron and Jordan because Jordan by the way and I don't blame Lebron because Jordan has been warm and fuzzy to him like he has been to other players historically. Yeah no I think we'd be silly to think that this wasn't a calculated move by Michael Jordan to get himself back into the into the mainstream media again. It's all the gory. Ego hundred percent but Lebron one hundred percent. Now No yes. I'm used to seeing one hundred percent. That's just the way these things go but I mean Lebron is a is a guy but has the only way that he's really GonNa get it. That's why this whole thing really hurts. Him is because if if he would have won the championship. This year with the Lakers. I mean that is a chip on his shoulder that he now has like look man. I got three championships. Three different three different franchises. Where I'm the best player on all three of those teams. I am the leader of all those teams. You GotTa have me up there. Yeah it is. His stake to it is that is. I beat the greatest single season team. I could win three championships with three different teams as the best player. Those are all things that help his argument. Obviously he's got physical attributes. That Jordan didn't have so I ate while I think Jordan is still the Guy I think it's closer than most people would give it credit for speaking of giving credit to someone and Mike in La. Wants to give Greg Credit. Mike I'm here you hear me. Yes Sir okay. Yes I never agree with Greg but might actually be right kind of little arrogant and stuff at times and he always thinks he's right so I think when you said it three to four and cut up at one hundred he was going to say one hundred percent like he always does not one hundred million so I think that he would and then he thought about it for a second three four years. He's then he thought about it again. He agreed with it and then later on he said one hundred percent when you ask them again later about the three years Who SAYS Were you got three years. Eighty million but he agreed with the three years so people have mentioned the hundred million again. Then if it would have been mentioned faded on demand. Thank you thank. Thank you Mike. Even though that was a very large backhanded compliment at the same time. He never agrees. I always love with the preface. This statement that trust me. Take it from someone who gets that? All the time never agree with George except this one time agreeing with you which kind of probably agree more than just once. I like the arrogant line in there. Too I mean again. There is nothing wrong with being. I would say it's not arrogant. I would say and thank you Mike for the call. We appreciate it hope. You're safe healthy. What I would say Greg Is. You're confident is what I would say. I think that's a good thing at sports radio. Would you not I would say in life? Forget about sports radio in life. Hey real quick before we go to break because Keith Laws GonNa join us in a second. We'll talk some baseball with him and talk about his new book about baseball. Which is pretty cool. There's this cool thing trending. It's the number one trending thing on twitter today. It's Hashtag five perfect movies here. The five perfect movies I win with Pulp Fiction. Dark Knight Empire Strikes Back Kill Bill volume one and Major League and the reason I chose those five. And there's plenty more I could go with are probably those the most re watchable movies for me. Sorry Bill Simmons of you're listening to steal your word but I watched. I've probably seen those movies a million times and that's that's probably why they would be the five perfect movies for me. I agree with a lot of those are all really good movies. The only one that I would probably do a little bit different I love Shawshank and can wash it any second of any day and I think it's a fantastic movie that there's no slow parts to me so I've gotten a lot of grief over not having Shawshank there but while I do agree to a fantastic movie it is to me. Not as it's not a movie I liked to watch over and over again and the other one is princess bride. And how you don't have princess bride. It's just a shame. I just think that movies above average. I don't think it's separate of average yet. But you know who's Great Keith? Law He's one of the best business at talking. Baseball will talk to him about everything that's going on. We'll get starts on what he thinks about the season. He's one of the smartest dudes covering the sport. So we'll talk to him from the athletic next one of my favorite print songs. Little Red Corvette that in one thousand nine hundred nine Saddana show with a year on seventeen. Espn presented by progressive. Insurance guests appear via the shell. Pennzoil Performance Line Keith. Law will be giving us the straight talk brought to you by straight talk wireless everything for less only at Walmart. We're waiting for him to call in. He's one of the best in the business of covering Major League. Baseball from the athletic used to work here at. Espn got a book out called inside game which is basically how we can kind of analyze all the different moves in baseball and how we can apply them to real life thinking so. I want to talk to him about a number of these things but I want to ask him the Kershaw thing that we were arguing about earlier. Speaking of which if you didn't get that Bourbon and I were talking about Kershaw right. We started off talking about the the the line in the sand. Basically Justin Turner wants to play as soon as possible. He'll play in the biosphere. Whatever and Kershaw doesn't want to do that. I just want to leave his family. Which is commendable. And I understand that but we started talking about his long term viability if he misses the season right because then he's got another year and I was wondering like do you pay him beyond that. I just don't see Andrew Friedman being one of those guys who pays him so Bergman and I got into it Bergman. I thought said that he would get another one hundred million dollar deal. Bergman vehemently denies that and then we played this audio and the audience has been deciding. Yea or Nay Bergman get the W. or the L. play the CLIP LAURA. Do you think Lynn Carson was going to get another long contracts. I do at least three years. These three or four years one hundred absolutely. He's thirty years old. He's the best regular-season pitcher in baseball and he could easily go to somewhere like Texas. We we we. We heard enough so it was there. You said one hundred but did you one hundred percent or did you mean one hundred million. So we'll let the audience decide. Let's go to Ryan in Manhattan Beach. What's Up Ryan? Yeah I really don't see it with Kershaw there's just too many question marks Blasi dropping each year Lack of obviously playoff production So I I just I would never see anyone signing him for over two years. I I don't know right now Bergman. Do you think Bergman actually said one hundred million like long term. Three four hundred one hundred million there. You Go Bergman. Take the elegant. No I didn't say the word million at all it was a hundred percent. Let's talk to Keith. Law is one of the best in the business at covering major league. Baseball is new book is called the inside game. It's just a really smart way of looking at baseball. And all the decisions that go into any particular thing and and how the advancements have taken place as well but before we get to that real quick. I want you to settle a debate that we were just having literally a second ago. We were talking about how you guys WanNa play I don't WanNa play in this biosphere or alleged biosphere but we got into Clayton Kershaw. Who's kind of drawn a line in the sand? He says he doesn't want to leave. His family commendable totally understand it. But I think the game will move on without him if they have do so we were talking about his contract situation because then he would have one more year at thirty plus million dollars and was like I wonder what the next contract after that will look like. So my producer. Greg and I were arguing over the fact. He thinks that he'd get another long-term deal probably three or four years around one hundred million. I don't think he could fetch that age thirty three. Like where would you see him? Moving forward as he's been trending in a certain direction as his career has moved forward here. I don't know that I can speculate. On what kind of dollars he'd be looking at. I can tell you. He's no longer number one starter. He's not seen that way by anybody. his stuff is down and I think he can still be an effective major league starter for a while. But if he's more like a mid rotation guy he's not GonNa get thirty plus million a year anymore. That's just not mid rotation guys get paid and obviously once you've started to lose some. Lhasa rarely get it back. But there's always the chance that it continues to drop to and that is going to be a concern for anything that thinks about signing him to a long term deal. Yeah I'm with you. I look on the other side of thirty. He had. I mean up before this season. He had four straight years right of some sort of injury that he was dealing with a couple of more back injuries right. Like that's just not stuff that you look at. If you're a smart baseball for an office type and saying yeah that's the guy sign up for one hundred million like I don't believe in by like let's say you're the rangers signing him to sell tickets like I always think that's a disaster waiting to happen signing a player just to sell tickets. Yeah Pool Yeah. We certainly not producing. I mean this is a major topic in my book. That contract that he signed was a disaster the day it was was inked and has only gotten worse since then because the angels don't recognize or recognizing ignore the some cost fallacy. That that you already painful no matter why so. The question is just whether you're better off as a team playing him or not playing and it turns out. They're better off not playing him every day that they do play them. They've actually made their chances of winning in their chances of getting the playoffs even lower. Which is crazy. When you think about Keith Law. Joining us here. The book is the inside game. It's his second book is First Book was Smart Baseball. Which is fantastic to you. Should get that one. If you haven't had a chance to read it. What was the idea behind inside game number of people in front offices around? Baseball Including Signature Paul. Who's with Was with the Astros at the tiny assistant. General the Baltimore Orioles. Were talking about books like thinking fast and slow by Daniel Conham which I quite a bit in the book that they were all reading. These books. I in this vein about cognitive psychology and behavioral economics. And we're just trying to improve their thinking improving their own processes for thinking about major decisions because obviously by that point even a couple of years ago he's already had lots of data and the hiring many many analysts to fill their or indeed apartments. Now they were trying to say well. How can we improve our whole decision making process so that we make better use of the data that we have and as I started to read more books in this vein? Thought you know. There's not really a good book out there. That explains these concepts for the mass audience and thought I might be able to do that by using examples of sort of well-known mistakes from baseball history whether they were mistakes by managers on the field or mistakes by general managers and trades signings and draft picks over the last like go back about eighty years. What were some of those mistakes that that just stood out to you immediately? I highlight Let's see there's Bob Wren Lee? In the two thousand one world series it just made tactical error after tactical error and yet they won the world series anyway so for a moment at least he was seen as a good manager. And that's outcome biased. Judging the process by the results the results was great. A process that gut them there was not great they won the world series because of Randy Johnson and curt schilling. Not Because if anything that Bob Brenly did. I also highlight the Gary Matthews Junior contract and he was given a five-year deal based off of one. Obviously at the time fluky breakout season and talk about that. As an example of what's called recency bias where you really over value the most recent data the most recent thing you saw and ignore most or all of what team before that and that five year contract that the angels gave Matthews was absolutely reflective of that because all the evidence had before that one sees the Gary. My junior was perfectly fine for outfielder. They paid him like he was a star like he was going to be an everyday player and then some and that was a a textbook example. When I've used multiple times in my writing over the last fourteen years of again ignoring recent a falling for reasons he is in ignorance all of the data that you already had before him. That's enough. The player isn't waiting. Think years it's not with that one year is just actually contained. Still Fall for that because all of these are things that are just make every human if you're if you're human you can fall for these things because that's how our brains are wired and it's about changing your mental processes to Improve Your Decision. Making you may fall for the vice. Then you catch yourself before you actually make the decision. The book is the inside game. Keith Law is one of the best in the business at covering Major League Baseball. He works for the athletic. There are a number of things that I want to get into with you here. We were just talking about Kershaw but you know basically in your book you talk about for every Clayton Kershaw. There's probably nine or ten other guys that were drafted out of high school as pitchers that have flamed out completely. Why do you think that is? That was a thing that continuously happened. The general managers continuously chose starting pitchers in the first round out of high school. Why was that a problem so for so long? So the the the phenomenon I'm talking about there is called base rate neglect where teams look at the individual pitchers. They'd go scout the individual pitchers and fall in love with the pictures they see and don't and talking about high school pitchers here. Don't stop and look at the overall data for high school pitchers which shows that they fail at much higher rates than any other category college hitters. College pitchers them high school hitters. Those groups all get to the majors at higher rates and succeed at higher rates than high school pitchers do what ultimately happened addition to just flat out neglecting. This base rate overall rate of high school pitchers teams do Kinda Fall in love at the individual prospect. And that's what happens with all draft classes. It's just more damaging when it happens with a high school pitcher. Which is you go. Seen a guy like Clayton. Kershaw you go see I like even the Martin and you convince yourself different. This one is the exception. This is the kid who's going to be so much better than the rest of the high school pitchers things. Sometimes you do that. You're white you get a Kershaw. Medicine Bumgarner the majority of the time you do that in the first-round you're wrong and the opportunity cost is higher. The player you could have taken in the first year on instead of that High School. Pitcher is much better. You take that high school pitcher in the second or third different story. The opportunity cost of the player. You might have taken otherwise. He's not as high and that's why taking high school pitchers after the first round is perfectly sound strategy. Because you're just not giving up as much when you do that. My favorite one in the book is something. I've had conversation had with my Buddy. Shembe who I'm sure you know very well to is the case for robot umpires like we literally did a bit about this like fifteen years ago. I on radio. It was pretty hilarious. But why don't we have that in tennis? They have the eye in the sky. You can judge if a ball is like. I don't understand the technology is there. Why hasn't baseball gone to this assistance? From a lot of groups there's resistance from obviously Umpire's Union. There's some resistance from players. I would talk to people at Major League Baseball. Who worry the technology? Maybe isn't quite good enough. It's going to change the way the game appears to fan. I think ultimately gus you won't be a disruption right the first year that we have automated calling balls and strikes which I think we'll see within the next. Let's see two three seasons at most the first season it'll be different right. It will be an adjustment for fans to see that happening to see the slight pause for the home plate on fire signals and the fact that the hitter might turn around one to argue with the umpire. But there's nobody to argue however ultimately I think the technology is good enough that we would have no worse results in terms of calling balls and strikes and it's based on my conversations with people that Major League Baseball. The errors would be much more consistent and more tolerable that pitch that splits the strike zone that you because it's Oh to the empire just doesn't call it a strike because of anchoring bias considering the count in making this call and that hitch that call it never missed anymore with an automated strikes on the calls that are going to be the ones right on the edges of the strike zone. There's no one's you'd expect them to being this even without improvements in the technology and it's possible we see some of that here if we ended up getting this biosphere quarantine baseball anyway. So I think people may need to get used to it to lastly Keith Law. Joining us here of the athletic again. The book is the inside game. It's fantastic make sure you check it out and if you didn't read his. First Book Smart Baseball. You should as well too. I know you're a big board game enthusiasts. We're clearly living in times where we could use a couple of board games to play with the family. What are you suggesting? That C seven wonders since my all time. Favorite board game plays only at about half an hour. It plays up to seven people. You need at least three which is obviously not ideal for everybody. But if you've got a big family and some older kids maybe who are orange board games or want to be seven wonders. Tremendous and ticket to ride is when I recommend lots of people because it's very easy for younger kids to play by the time they're about five or six they can start to play along. You're matching colors on cards against colors on the board and placing trains on a map of the United States or a map of Europe. It's really quite simple to learn. The rules are only about a page. Long is a little bit of strategy for adults to sort of stay interested but enough randomness if kids. Don't get left too far behind. I've played it with very young kids down to age five or so. And maybe they don't win but they feel like they can play along and everyone loves placing trains on the map. It's train game but just like speaks to something that most kids like. The book is inside game. Keith law one of the best in the business at covering Major League baseball check out the book wherever you can find your books whether it's online or eventually may be able to go to a bookstore. You could find it there too. Hey man thanks for stopping by really appreciate it. Mike. Thanks for having me. You gotTA TAKE. Care of their is Keith Law. Joining us here coming up next. I got a couple of things I wanNA get into that. We haven't gotten a chance to get into yet including the PAC twelve screwing things up potentially for. Yeah I'll tell you what that means in a second. We're back in two minutes. I love how people are getting creative on giving Greg Els. I WANNA shout out Sheriff Wade. He goes by the handle at reef. Ism and hero wrote dearly beloved Greg. I'm here to tell you you got the L. And it's a Gif of purple rain. It was very clever very well. Played still wrong but as well played. Thanks to keep law for Georgia's there You missed any of our interviews. Today you can go check out the entire interview on demand section on this show. Podcast apple podcasts. Espn APP spotify. Google wherever you get your podcast brought to you by capital one quicksilver card earning a limited one and a half percent cashback on every purchase everywhere. What's in your wallet? And don't forget to tune into the last dance behind the scenes. Look they're a documentary of the ninety Chicago Bulls Dynasty the series continues Sunday at six PM on. Espn television and listen to the wrap up show with sleep one myself immediately following the broadcast on ESPN. Los Angeles is twitter account presented by state farm. At and T. Sing Choral Tequila and Coors lite. So Greg You sent me this story about the PAC twelve now. You and I have had this discussion about the PAC twelve a number of times. I feel like they really bad job with the PAC twelve network. Nobody can see it. It's weird it's not on direct. Tv is it on spectrum. I know it's on frontier. I don't even know where it's on like most people can't find it. It's really challenging so the story. Today I read that you sent me was on Yahoo. And they're saying that apple is trying to get in the game with PAC twelve and that they would broadcast exclusively all their games on Apple TV. So you would no longer be able to watch the PAC twelve games on. Espn or Fox. Sports that they would exclusively be on apple. Tv now look there's some pros and cons to that all right? The pro czar apple TVs four ninety nine if you really love the PAC twelve. It's four ninety nine. You know where you can get it. The cons are this though if your ESPN and Fox and you no longer have rights to the PAC twelve. And it's exclusively on a digital platform. That's not yours. What's your incentive to talk about the PAC twelve unless one of your teams is in the national championship hunt right like you don't have that incentive anymore and let's face it whether it's fair or not because of these rights deals teams excuse me corporations and news outlets and media outlets particularly media outlets like ESPN and TV companies like ESPN and Fox are incentivized to talk about a product that they're going to put on their television right then when it comes to promoting their particular game and the ways they promote that particular game they can promote it by doing a feature on vers Ucla or Washington versus Oregon or they can have Mario Cristobal Honor Clay Helton on or whoever right to talk about whatever that's going on with their upcoming game or the conference as a whole you're not gonna get as much of that if you're not on the big time networks like you're going to lose some visibility. It's kind of what happened with hockey so hockey if you remember left. Espn back in the ninety s and went on something called the oil in the outdoor life network which eventually became verses which eventually became NBC sports. Now got better when it was NBC sports because people can at least associate with that and find it but it was a disaster initially early on. Now it's a different age and there's a lot of people with apple TVs and a lot of people that subscribe to the service. I just wonder you know even though it's priced right. I just wonder if it's worth it. Yeah I see the pros to it because you know the country is going away from digital cable anyway already. They're already going to cutting the cord for a lot of people and so I get it. I see why they WANNA do it. But this is just the PAC twelve getting their own way as they always always do is to. Your point is very solid that. Espn doesn't WanNa talk about PAC twelve. Anyway there's an East Coast bias now if you think there's an east coast by now it's just GonNa get worse right. The West Coast bias will be. It's actually the west coast by you're biased against the west coast if you buy for the House too. So I'm not going to take a neutral position there but the the but yeah. If you think it's bad now it's only gonNA be worse if they go strictly on Apple TV. Yeah because I mean I'll be able to watch it a lot easier because I can't watch PAC twelve network now. It's a disaster if I go. I HAVE APPLE TV. I can walk. I. I'm going to ask the audience right now. We only have five minutes left in the show. Eight seven seven seven ten. Espn eight seven seven. Seven ten three seven seven six if the PAC twelve when strictly on apple TV? You couldn't get it on Fox. You couldn't get it on. Espn would you be in favor of that? It's four ninety nine a month. Would that be something that is better for you than the current setup eight seven seven hundred ten? Espn eight seven. Seven seven three seven seven six. So you Bergman You. You've cut the cord you'd be okay. You have apple TV. I do have apple TV. But I also put. Here's the other part of it though. Is You have the ESPN APP. I have the ESPN APP. I can watch if UCLA's playing on ESPN. I can watch it so they need to be able to have. Certain Games needed still be allowed to be played on. Espn or Fox or whatever it happens to be because otherwise it's just a disaster because here's the thing. Older people aren't watching on Apple TV and older people are the people who are boosters. Who have money and they'd be like. Why are we audience? Spn and Fox. Why are we on just apple TV? I get there's money but they initially the money sounds good and the money might be right but at the end of the day. They're going to be like well. We're not getting talked about. And you know what boosters love is to get talked about. Yeah and Larry. Scott is the commissioner of the pack. Twelve everything wrong. He's going to share this up two interesting note. I just saw here. We've been spending a lotta time whenever we do talk about the draft. We've talked about two versus Herbert. And we were talking about you know. I think the dolphins and chargers are gonNA take one or the other now. I would still take over Herbert. And we're going to have a ton of draft gas as the week progresses. Because you know look I just don't know how much you guys are really into the draft and if you want more draft talk like I'm good with that like I'm willing to do it I just don't I. I'd like to you guys tweet me at Sodano and just tell me what you think because I I feel like this you know I understand that. There's not a lot of content right now. I just don't know how much of an appetite. There is a draft talk on Monday and Tuesday of draft. Week when the rams don't have a first round pick and most of you don't care about the chargers now I know. The raiders have two first round picks that we've talked a lot about that over the last couple of weeks. And maybe because of that we can discuss it more. But I'd like to start talking more draft tomorrow and clearly Thursday and Friday but I am curious to see how you guys feel about the draft talk but Anyway Vegas has come out not vegas but a sportsbook has put out odds and now all of a sudden it looks like just in. Herbert is the guy ahead of to to be the second. Qb taken this is from David Purdham. Who'S OUR ESPN gambling guy? It's just it's not a proper way to describe is title but I'll just go with that it says entering April sports books had to As the big favorite to be the second quarterback taken in the NFL draft and by the way there is a lot of gambling going on on. Who's being drafted? Where like that is a big thing right now because let's face it. You can't gamble on sports. I'll tell you what I gambled on this weekend horse racing. I throw a few bucks on some races. Have a friend. Who's a big horse racing guy? He just told me about it and it worked so that might be a bad vice to take up but anyway. Here's the rest of the story three weeks later. The odds have dramatically shifted. Oregon's Justin Herbert has overtaken to as most sports books. Now have him as a small favourite to be the second quarterback taken draftkings. Mgm HAVE HEARD AT MINUS Twenty five ahead of two while points. Bats has them listed as co favorites. So Point Betts had to as minus six fifty to be the second quarterback drafted just a couple of weeks ago. So you know Herbert getting a Lotta love smokescreen. There's no way you can convince me that just in Herbert now. He may have a higher ceiling. Because he's he's not as good a quarterback right now and because he's big and tall and all that stuff but I just don't buy Bergman that going after Herbert. Could you imagine though that if it did if he fell all the way to number? Twelve to the raiders. And this whole thing plays out of what we've been talking about for the last week and a half two weeks man it would be listening. It would be great for the raiders. Nick Sabin said it. If you onto it's going to be on. The dolphins passed on drew. Brees and he can. He should know that he was the coach right. I mean and also mean as saying that. The raiders should just fold altogether. If they don't take two of us there if he gets the twelve they might as well. Just fold shock totally. Imagine that happening to all right. We're done here. Thanks to law for joining us. Thanks to you guys for always tuning in and being there for US and calling in. We appreciate it. Thanks to Greg and Laura. We'll talk to you tomorrow Tennessee.

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EPISODE 110: Drunk Uncle, Goat Status & Trevor Lawrence

NuChannel Sports Podcast

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EPISODE 110: Drunk Uncle, Goat Status & Trevor Lawrence

"Thank you for tuning in. It is greatly appreciated on this episode of the podcast. We are going to discuss. What went down between kevin durant and shannon sharpe. We also dissect comments made by trevor lawrence and is steph curry to greatest point guard. Of all time. He's one of the poster boys for position basketball. The do it all anywhere on the court literally anywhere on record and make a difference for his team so he may never lead. The league in assists. Hardin can or like a chris. Paul can but his ability to get open shots distracted. Defense just went allows a guy like klay thompson who's all world and in himself or like draymond green andres dollar or harrison barnes to get open shots so yeah he may not pass it to that guy gets opened the shot but just by his movement he gets that guy that opened shot and he's transformed what we call the point guard and the more i talk about it the more. I'm starting to think of time into the new channels so bit sports call hot jazz. This is the new channel sports. Podcast my name is oh any. I'm your host today artist evening this morning ever time of day. It is that you're listening to podcasts. I am one of your host. If this is the first time this this podcast please subscribe even on any major podcast platform billable. You do on our website. New channel sports dot net. That's new shell. Channel sports dot net catches afro vibes. Tv as well. Download that roku app. So you can see a wonderful faces. They're also follow us on instagram. Follow us on twitter. Subscribe to our youtube channel. We have some great content there as well but joining me deaf. A nominal one chris. How're you doing sir. I was good. Brolin's get to it. Let's get to indeed. Big low is not available today. He's a very hard working man. So he's out. Cain cares and stuff but he definitely osu. We won't get the coming down you know you didn't forget you're right. You're right combined our voices together to get the details of big low. Real deep voice. Coming down in haystack. You know what i'm saying but you seem a good spears man. I i liked it. I liked it. I'm ready to go. We got we got a good show. Yes we do as we tried to bring good shows to table day in and day out. So let's kick off this show with some headlines. It's time or jamal. Murray towards aclu tonight during a game against the war years very devastating injury. He was very devastated by the news that he did tears. Acl a what does this do. For the title hopes of the one denver nuggets well it removes auto hopes that they had to our loyal listeners. That listen to us here in the podcast on apple. Tv we talked about it and our last episode new sports nfo vibes tv. And i asked you. Do you buy the nuggets as a finals. Contender going to the finals. And both of you did with the idea to jamal. Murray was going to be there because he is one of the few players in the nba. That when the playoffs comes he gets better. He doesn't get worse than playoffs. He gets much better and mcleod him and fortunately they have no shot and it's just sucks because the players in the west was always going to be great but it it diminishes what we seen and my heart goes out to the nuggets fans as well i understand. Obviously my heart goes out. Jamal murray. Because he's injured but the nuggets fans they've been waiting patiently for a really really good team to come and they. They got one this season. Particularly with the addition of aaron gordon and to see that young man that star in this league go down and injury and it you said it you hit it right on the nail those devastated. Yeah i i did. Have the nuggets making some noise in this playoffs. I did like the addition of aaron. Gordon and i thought they were going to make a big run but for me. Honestly without jamal murray. There's really little to no chance of going to the to the final so a big blow to the denver nuggets in the nfl patriots. Dr receiver julian element who's played twelve seasons with new england patriots. And help them win three championships. It was the mvp fifty three announces a tyrant in a video posted on social media. He said it was a hard decision. But the right decision for me and my family. I am honored and so proud to be retiring. Patriot is been the best twelve years of my life element who was limited to six games. Last season because of chronic knee injury is tire twelve year career with the patriots and wreck. Second in nfl. History what one hundred eighteen postseason receptions behind only jerry rice who has won fifty one jeweler element which is a vendor the news over all over the place and social media and so what is jewelry ella hall favors know more. Yeah we can. There's only say this though just because he's not a hall of fame because he didn't accomplish great things and we have to knock him but based on what we've seen in the hall of fame would amount of time. Some players have to wait. He's not hall of famer. Yeah i mean the wide receiver list goes on and on and on and on. And he's not better than a lot of wide receivers. They're still waiting to get into the hall of fame. But just like you said chris. There's no knock on him and ways accomplished his career. That says a lot about him as even being talked about in the hall of fame. I and truly though so he's had a great career. I believe he was a sixth or seventh round. Pick and him to get. As far as he has a great accomplishment for doing element he's going to be retired shortly and then he's playing for tag bucking air sometime. Next season agreed. And i'll say this. I think honestly if you look at their careers wessel welker in if anybody's going to get him between him and julian edelman because both blue vic brady west woke i got i got shot to get into the. I don't know a lot about wolves workers stats. I'll look into that to see if i drew cheers. You ain't gonna look to play this okay. I'll trust your diesel. Speaking of retirement lamarcus aldridge also announced his retirement. He announced that on twitter the hebrew trying from nba after experiencing an e regular heartbeat during his final appearance with the team. Lamarcus artists said for fifteen years. I put basketball. I and now was trying to put my health and my family. I is this is a this is a slight blow to the nets run to possibly a championship. But you gotta respect Lamarcus aldridge decision to put his health above everything else. When you have an irregular heartbeat or anything like that dealing with your heart. You've gotta debt seriously and you know. He decided to hang it up yemen. Anything to do with the heart. Because if anybody who's ever had any type of issue with heart it's very scary because it gets real fast bro. You feel like you're going to die. Yeah and you didn't. Yeah he did mention. You was scared about it happening. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah when you do that you gotta retirement. So i'm glad he's he's safe. I don't wanna see him collapse on the court and down ride. Go spend time your family. He's had a terrific nba career. I wish him the absolute best enemies. Alongkorn i love longhorn absolutely absolutely. What was that last bro. I hope we'll pick it up. Hold margaret busby. Read all right bro- a pittsburgh attorney says he and his client have found a police report against los angeles. Rams defensive tackle aaron donald for an alleged assault. This alleged assault happened in the overnight hours of april tenth relevent it allegedly happened between three to four m an after hours club on the city's south side. D vincent springs is the name of the man found a charged against aaron donald. So find themselves in trouble. I don't know if you've seen the pictures. Chris of the alleged opioid. But they look bro. They look really really bruegel. And we already know aaron. Donald has not really a short fuse on the field but we've seen and some altercation on the field a where he's got into other players and so uh man he does one thing right avenue. Short fuse fitness yup. Short fuse in real life Like you said there are allegations would know them to be true. But i have seen the pictures and somebody paul's on man might put the paul's only him. I it brutal indeed. Today viane clowney signs a one year. Deal up to ten million dollars with the cleveland browns. The a good move for him. he's going to be playing alongside a maoz garrett another force in the line. Do you think this is going to really improve the browns much next season. Chris i mean i hope so today the and cloudy when they see him stay healthy which something he hasn't done person tire career You can get too excited. Because he's already played it on an on a line with another great. Jj watt but when he did when he was healthy he was phenomenal so for the browns is really a low risk type of deal. If he's healthy you expect them to play pretty well and if he's not healthy. There's a contingency in the contract. So i mean it's a it's a win win for the browns as far as i'm concerned and for gelabiyah. Cloudy bro hope. You say helping. Get that bag yeah. That's the key for jadon kenny. Stay healthy 'cause if he's healthy. He's a pretty productive defensive lineman he may give you all the sacks as you want but as far as stopping the run and this being disruptive he. He's he's pretty good doing those things. So i hope he stays healthy and he hopes that cleave around team next year all right greek. Nba legend. Michael jordan will present kobe. Bryant at the twenty twenty naismith hall of fame induction ceremony on may fifteenth bryant told complex magazine in two hundred seventeen that he wanted. Jordan are phil jackson to present him at the induction ceremony. So i'm gonna be stoked to see michael jordan up there introducting. Kobe bryant into the hall of fame. He had a pretty pretty good speech. When you were talking about kobe passing. So i'm going be very interesting to see what my turn to say when he had ducks into the hall of fame is dote that michael's during it. But it's also heartbreaking that michael's doing it right You would love to see. Michael introducing him and then having kobe come up and talk and and it just hit me again bro. This man gone right edges. Hit me bro. it's hurts. It hurts because he's such a king man he'll such king so it's awesome. That jordan is the one there. And i'm sure that a lot of be a grown man a lot of grown men with tears in their eyes Watching that Watching jordan introduce. Kobe bryant to the hall of fame. Yeah it still hurts out. Zero gonna stop hurting. Assess you know. We grew up watching kobe. We we grew up watching michael jordan as well so you know it hurts but at least you know michael jordan be there and like you said it would have been nice. He koby follow up and give his speech there. But mama lives on forever. I'll tell you this. You know. Kobe three some shots. You love kobe shots just like jordan. Some shots during his speech so I'm looking forward to that end. Not looking forward to that at the same time that makes no i get you a hundred and ten percent all right so that was headlines. Shall we move on to our first topic of discussion. So kevin durant and shannon sharpe seem to get into it a little bit and this is from what i'm hearing. This is based on shannon. Sharpe saying something about kevin durant. That wasn't necessarily true to quote. Was this early true. Thinking fill for like a fake kevin durant quote and and he did. Kevin durant was not h- about it at all it may seem like he was trying to discredit lebron. James's rings let me read you the quote that Shannon sharpe felt for people try to discredit my rings. But honestly i feel like they're the most valuable of our era people argue. Lebron is the goat. But if i beat him back to back finals then what does that. Make me shannon. Sharpe go on to analyze that. And then he would tweet a clip of him doing so on twitter so i mean uddhav and this is not the first time on cochet yes. This is not the first time that shannon sharpe and skip bayless have been you know Bathing into ambles right. Leist is so now was fake. I remember skip. Bayless also quoted something. I think it was sending james harden. I can't what it was but it was something that all remember what it was but i do recall a situation where had a discussion on what was otherwise. Faulty right kevin durant on the scene yet again bro. Good his but this time. I don't know. I mean physically here. We're gonna we're to disagree okay. Having durant is on the scene get again. And i just don't understand why like i get why he would come out and defend himself right. He said everybody's drunk all goes on tv again and the thing about him. Having beef with shannon is. I'll say this most black men in america aggrieved on ninety five percent of what he says probably even higher than that because he's he articulates himself well and we respect him so i ball. Don't you call ankle drunk uncle drunk uncle because he is coherent. Understand what he's saying. Now back to kevin durant who has to be on twitter at every second. I'm sorry that he's injured his comeback from the injury. Then he comes in these play. Certain games is on a minute restriction. I hope he gets help it. Because i love seeing them on the basketball court. I can't stand seen him on twitter. The always has something to say on social media bro. And that's who he is. That's cool with me but you can't go back and forth with the media personality particularly if they're not trying to go back and forth with you. I will say this on uncle shays point. I haven't heard them apologize for using that that faulty quote. But if you really think about it whether they quote exists or not it isn't changes analysis on kevin durant and i think that's where he's coming from the lottery were saying well. He needs to apologize because he used a quote bro. Like sit down and take steps and sit down because this is who kevin durant is he wants to. He likes the attention on social media and mt someone else part of the reason why he has his beef. Oracle shea is because lebrons. I'm telling you bro. I am telling you and i am will not be surprised if in kevin durant inner circles with that like well. He did lebron twice so he's got to be better than abroad. And if you really think that al cav you crazy maybe either drunk uncle if he really believes that. There's a lot of things that go into this. Okay let me let me start off by saying that. yes i do. Believe that shannon sharpe should've policy is because you're putting you're putting out false information about somebody. Let's just say this. Isn't kevin durant right. Lists said he put out false information about lebron james. He will be apologizing within the hour of doing so why he wouldn't do that. You know why he wouldn't do that because he will have a about lebron james online. Everybody football chris. So you wouldn't fall for that quote because lebron doesn't talk as much. Lebron speaks very clear came from him. That's all fine and dandy but the fact of the matter is that you put out false information about this man. We already know that. Kevin durant is on twitter. Twenty four seven right so he's going out there defending himself. You can't just say something about somebody and be a member of the media and then not apologize for san false information you gotta part ices met. It isn't mad at as on twitter all the time. It doesn't matter that's something. We think that he's sensitive about what people think about him. But the fact of the matter is if you are a member of the media you have to apologize for sending out false information about an individual. It is me or you chris. Not as big shannon sharpe. We would have to go and be like you know what this is not true. This is not what happened. Isn't that what he said. All right and shannon sharpe has to be aware enough to look into the information that he's putting out there as well. This is the first. this is the thing. If you're kevin durant. I can see him being angry but once you like everybody drunk on tv again. It's to me is the level of respect. It's one thing come on y'all share you wrong. That's not my quote. And i guarantee you like you know what i'm talking about shit like i know shape right. I'm sure it would have been like you know what. I made a mistake but to call him. You're drunk on tv. That's disrespectful bro. So that tells me you're not ready to have a grownup conversation. If i mess up and you approach me like shut the f up or something like that. It's a different moved to me. Come and see below. You made a mistake. His wife made a mistake like bed. I gotcha but once you come into drunk uncle basically we know it in the black community. What that means bro. We all know it as you coming me will fire. I'm gonna come right back at you with their fire. So i'm gonna say with this one hundred percent let me read to you. What shannon sharpe had to say about that particular quota. Kevin durant thought by winning the titles. Everybody was going to regard him as universally the best player in the nba. Barren even the bron james but very few people were willing to go there and then he's like because he said it if lebron jeans goat i beat the go twice and hit the shot in his building. What does that make me. So that's of what he said and then durant came back. You does mentioned it. Chris about the the drunk uncle. Y'all drunk okla here again lion. When did i say this so look man. I understand that he came back at him. But it wasn't like you don't know who kevin durant is going to come back at you if you say something about him. This is personality. He told everybody that we use it. Okay see that was a him. He was being faked in. This is his real persona. This is real personality and his forest. Shannon sharpe's concern. I have great respect. For what shannon. Sharpe does as a media person. We're both meeting you here right now chris. Trying to get to the level over shannon sharpe does but if this is me personally are based on what i seen offer shannon sharpe and what he presents out there. It see where he could be like. Okay i apologize for saying that quote. Let's move on. He didn't apologize but he's definitely moved on. He's to say anything about it. Let's let's say mean you. Were doing our podcast. Somebody comes on. We have a guest right. Who's alaska's we had on will we'll from we'll we'll spike right and he's like yo shut again lines. All of his listeners is gonna rub. You was certain way. There's a better way to handle that. And kevin durant refuses to handle it that way. Look at michael rapaport. We'll discuss discuss that about that. This niche because that's what he is. Michael board is this niche but at the same time look at the back and forth. Eighty hat with that individual camden ran has shown time and time again that he doesn't know how to approach people. And this is the thing you approach everyday joe's right you approach everyday joe's on your twitter and talk to them anyhow. You're not going to talk with somebody who has a certain prestige. Because i tell you this can name pulling up on oncle shack. We both know that you ain't pulling up all the he might be shame. I think he drunk uncle every corner. But you ain't pulling up on that man so you can't address that way in public. That's all i'm saying. If you listen to the way they used a tweet or use that quote you can take the quote out and still he can still make that point. Because there's no doubt when kevin durant went to the golden state warriors. He had a certain to win. Championships. and i'm sure that would get into a certain degree a certain pedigree but even beating lebron james twice in the finals. I don't. I don't know anybody who calls them better than Him better than a bron. James other than haters haters. Nobody's as his lebron. But that's the point right there. I've never heard him interested. He was lebron. James i've never heard that he should be better than lebron james. What this fake quote does is that it push yourself into head of kevin durant and you're assuming that he thinks these things and for so shannon sharpe who'd hold on and for someone like shannon sharpe to put that narrative out there now. That's what we're talking about. And i think that's unfair to kim. To read look has been consistent in what he's done for very long time ever since he left. Okay see you say. Hey this who i am. I'm gonna continue to be this person. So he gets point for me for continuing to be that person. He's been consistent in that nature. This reminds me of a quote that the late great. Dms had to trust people to beat themselves right. And i'm trusting. Kevin durant beam on the other side of the equation. Look at shannon sharpe. I trust them be himself to but if he's not gonna come on. Polish is for me. i'm not seeing. That has been his true nature now because he's going around pros as being a professional right. He's in the media when you're in the media you're trying to make sure that you give out correct information. You brought a fake quote. Just like you said chris. Ninety five percent of black men respect and trust his announces. So when you put that out there and you're kinda sorta saying that says something and think something that you didn't really think are say may nice unfair that man dude no doubt he said it's not fair bro. But my point is once you call somebody drunk uncle and all of our loyal listeners. Yaacob back me up on this man. you don't call. That is such an insult because we know what that means. So why have you come in with their energy you. He came with him respect. I'll be with you but he refused he. He decided he decided for death. Youngest say now you decide to death you big debt and as he decided. So i'm gonna say on this man but at least he's being consistent. I don't care who it was. It could have been skip bayless. It could have been steve stephen a smith. It could have been you chris. Anybody having to rent leave latin value. Just like that none. But i can't give you a pass at least you're consistent wound you consistently doing things that are not wise at least in the media because By the way he just made a lot of money on that The coin thing or whatever. It is a cryptocurrency kevin durant. I'm talking about so. This is why as far as making his money when his business partner rich climbing. They're doing their thing but as far as him being in the media doing all of this nonsense. Amount forward bro. I'm just not well. He did block. Kevin durant as far as i'm twitter and glad he did. Kevin durant came. Bagga said i'm the sensitive one. He showed a little picture pin bucket. You've mentioned that. Oh i'm this one now so mean a man we. We both look at a little bit differently. And just because i am now on this podcast i am now giving my information and it's going out there and people hear me. I don't want someone to hear me as they owe any said this and that's not true. You're saying cinema about somebody that's not true. If i ever give out false information even that person class back on me. This is me personally. I'm going to be like you know what i don't care what drove. Don't don't don't don't do that do that. Don't do that in a lion. Because i tell you brought somebody approaches you the wrong way. Even if they're right there's a problem. That's pretty this is going to be a problem. Silva going to do my own little clawed back. But i'm going to say bro because it's deeper than the beef you have with. That person is not even about giving ran for me personally is about giving out a false narrative about somebody. Okay and shannon sharpe is a very highly respected person in the sports world you cannot give out false narratives about players. You just can't if you let me let me give you an example. Let me give you an example. Give you an example. You'll head you know at some point not meet myself. Because i didn't do this but you know at some point you would go clubbing lot again. That's one of my wife. no now me. I don't do that. Clip be every night talking about actually been you step out. Somebody shoes ninety percent of the time. What happens my bad broke. You good you you straight. Everything's over and is good and the ends. That's the approach. Kevin durant but kevin durant decided not to shannon sharpe stepped on shoe phalle. Kevin durant did was he turned around. Blake you can clean it up. And it's like whoa. Whoa whoa why are you approaching me like this and all of a sudden fighting in the club. That's exactly what happened as they started fighting uncle shades club all he had to do my bag my bad and it's over but he decided to choose death and escalated to something that it wasn't various. I like your analogy. Chris i really do but it doesn't it at this particular instance. It just does it. Because there are three aspects to this right there shannon sharpe this kevin durant and then there are the fans of both these men right. You can't put out a false narrative about somebody and just brush aside. I know kevin durant he over him the wrong way. I know that he did. But like i said that's what does that's why you should check your facts. I for promote their first of all. That's a first fault of shannon sharpe. You can't just start spinning out on everything's see on twitter on social media is not true so you can't bring that out there on a on a very popular tv show and not have someone say something to you. I can't. I can't roll with the sorry. I love him. I love shannon's sharp. What he does. And i write kim iraq. Because he is who he is so physically on shannon. Sharpe site. your professional bro. I'm not saying that you are at fault. Because you're right chris. Kevin durant came in the wrong way. But i was still apologized for putting out that false neared. Oh so you're done like shannon sharpe. I'm gonna boys we disagree. It is what it is okay. We both disagree. It is what it is slow. We're not going to disagree on our next topic steph. Currys of beast okay steph. Curry has been lighting it up. He has been shooting the ball from all angles. All over the court and it just seems like men this. This guy's not going to stop the other night steph. Curry scored fifty three points and he became golden state warriors all time leading scorer surpassing chamberlain the other night. He was on his way to possibly beating. Clay thompsons three point record in a single game but there were blown out. Okay see so bad. At steve kerr tomino got sit down so he was able to do that. But steph curry's blonde hair and steph curry is is. I think he's a great shooter of all time. I think most people would agree with that. But chris is he the greatest point guard of all time. Well no i think the answer is no. But i will say this if i was going to. Argue is nothing. That's crazy right. And i think once he gets to the point in career. It's like the kobe jordan. Lebron who everything is the greatest you can make a case for them so for kevin durant a second wrestling. I had my brain. Get off your mad. Okay bro. don't don't do but with with steph curry. You can make the argument that he's the greatest point guard of all time. No he's not your traditional point guard. We think of a traditional point guard. You have a guy who still playing right now. In a chris paul. He's he's way more traditional point. Guard then a steph. Curry but steph curry is just he transcends really positions he is one of the poster boys even though they don't talk about him enough this way. He's one of the poster boys for positions basketball. He could do it all anywhere on the court literally anywhere on the cord and make a difference for his team so he may never lead the league in assists. Like a hardened can or like chris paul can but his ability to get open shots in distract. The defense is what allows a guy like a klay thompson. Who's all world in himself. Or like a dream on green on on drake with dollar or harrison barnes to get open shots so yeah he may not pass it to that guy who gets shot but just by his movement he gets that guy the open shot and he's transformed what we call the point guard and the more i talk about it the more. I'm starting right guard of all time. Because i mean let's talk about the list. You think about magic johnson right. I don't think he goes over. Magic johnson right so right now put magic one. But i didn't watch magic like maybe you have your little older than me right But i've seen enough of magic johnson. And i've heard enough about magic johnson and i've seen the rings and what he was able to do particularly not just in college but also in the nba. So i can understand. Put a magic ahead of him but someone like an isaiah thomas. It's getting harder and harder to do. That is really hard to do that. And then you go down the line. The line of people that i've actually watched and i think i might talked myself. If he's not a number one he's he's probably number two bro. Yeah i've always categorized as they had thomas as a shooting guard. Oh coming up. But i do get it. I do put magic. Johnson ahead of steph curry. But that does in no way diminish steph curry's greatness. You broke it down perfectly. He might not be able to facilitate the ball and get it out to. All of his teammates were open shots. But the we create shots for himself. Just give everybody opportunity to make shots and because he's such a great not great elite shooter. They're real definition of elite. He's able to space out the floor and everybody's able to get their own shot. We talked about lamar jackson on our previous podcast. Right this almost in the same category at lamar jackson because lamar jackson. Not your typical quarterback that can pass the ball over the place but he has such elite speed and elusiveness that it just makes everybody around him. Better is the same thing with steph curry. His shooting ability being a greatest ever played a game just makes everybody else around him better. And he's not traditional. As far as like chris paul or a jason kidd. But i gotta put him at least top three at least out three. I think. I think that's just if i miss. Somebody's magic is number one for me. Magic is is just trying to make sure going down the list because and it's also about i guess it's also about what kind of team are you trying to build right. Because will the goals wanna championship. The goal is win championship but steph. Curry candelabras it. Look look going on this year with steph. Curry look steph. Curry as far as ratings is one of the best to ever do it. He's a transcendent senate player. No doubt so. I just wanna make sure i'm thinking about this correctly because i think i'm this like you. I'm talking myself into getting higher and higher on that list because list. Yeah he's not a traditional point. He cannot surpass magic johnson because magic johnson pretty much the same day he did and he was able to get everybody involved in the game and just his his height and his basketball. I q for me makes magic. The greatest point guard to ever do it. And then you look at steph curry. He does it with his shooting ability and he does it with his ability to move out the ball as well and he just has his has lethal shoot. Ability is not we talk about. I mean reggie miller back in the day was a tremendous shooter steph. Curry has taken that tonight. The tenth power to me like it doesn't get any bigger than that. The only thing. I might downgrade steph. Curry about is that he doesn't have as many shots. I guess i wanna say he has a couple of them but not as many as you like and then when it comes to play it particularly in the playoffs absolutely but when it comes down to just hitting shots and going all those hot streaks we like oh my gosh steph. Curry blows everybody away with that. He he's on a hot streak right now that's unmatched so man. Yeah i just. I just really. You're you put it around. You hit around. And now he's revolutionizing the point guard position right now. Because you look at damian lillard you look at In a couple of the point guards they have kind of emulated. What steph curry has done because name was really hitting these not really about. He was shooting. Those dame's year s. I know not trying to do you. Put me in a position to defend dame and you did this on purpose. Him in dame earn the same category day wasn't doing this at first day was a hidden half court shots. At first he kind of now. But he's he's he's he's been this guy well he's been down. He's been played steph curry. I'm the saying that. Off from what i've saw steph was. I wonder religious. Start to shoot shots from all over the place. That's what i saw. I didn't see dame to that. I i know dane was a bad bad man before that but he added that to his repertoire because he saw because he started with steph. Curry was going here. We go he a bad man. He's a bad bad bad man. Bad bad bad bad. You know the thing about thinking about steph curry is what makes it so difficult to rank ms if you take every great player every single grape quit player in nba history. And say we're going to have a was set a fantasy draft right and we're gonna pick the players. I don't know if he'd go top twenty five and people say wow you really hate on him because to your point if you're building a team and you don't you don't know if you're gonna have a klay thompson you're going to have other shooters around. You may not want steph curry. You're probably gonna take a chris paul right but so i think that's what's so difficult about him to judge but when you just take a seat back and realize yes. He played in a great system with another great shooter. But at the end of the day what he's been able to do as just that quote unquote shooter at think when people say he's the greatest shoot of all time. It's almost taking away from what he does. It's almost like okay. He shoots but he does nothing else as it cannot be further from the truth. If you're young person who plays like wants to play basketball there's no greater example of how to play on the offense of an you would think i'd say james harden but notes steph curry because he's constantly moving mean you hope we hope all the time and what's one biggest complaint we have people who do not hoop they stand there. They don't move and steph curry made it cool to move. It used to be only the shooter's move around and try to get him out. He can't really dribble but not steph curry gerbil but he kills you by moving around so now only do you have to defend him when he has the ball. You have to defend him when he doesn't have the ball so that means you're defending for the entire shot clock right and he made it cool to move out the ball. He made it cool to shoot crazy shots wherever he wants to shoot the ball for him. Being able to move without the ball is just another aspect to his game. that's overlooked. That's what makes them so great kids nowadays they want to get on the court and shoot these half court shots does drivel one or two times and then shoot shots that they have no business shooting the ball with they. Don't understand that steph. Curry does a lot more of their stuff. That makes him so great. This guy spends hours and hours and hours perfecting those shots that makes a good shot shouts to apologize some bad shot when you practice that shot as much as damian. Lillard and steph curry do it turned into a gun. Somehow i got but what is does he have a sponsorship and our podcast pro because this is getting ridiculous but it goes into the conversation. When steph curry pulled up on the half court shot it gets okay. See was at back in two thousand sixteen hundred seventeen. That was a good shot because he knew what he was doing. He's president shot over and over and over again to where he's confident he's going to hit it so man as far as being a best point guard of all time. Greatest point guard of all time. I think that five per ten years down the line he might be that because he would revolutionize a game so much that will have people coming in emulating his game. And you'll look in be like man steph. Curry may look easy and trying to do the same thing. Trae young's perfect that right right right so i think that we may not see it now because we have people like magic johnson. You know chris. Paul just traditional point guards. There are making it harder for folks like me. I'm old head to say that he's the best point guard all time but come five ten years down the line we might be saying. He was the greatest point guard of all time. Because it's going to revolutionize the game it's already revolutionized lochlann just so much that we will be saying right. It'll be the people because let's be real the people who are watching a game now five to ten years from now they're going to be the ones talking about right after a we will be saying and people people five or ten years. Now be saying as well because look at how the game has changed right. because it's changing now. Would you would say. I think there's also a function of the people watching him now. Being part of the media right and then they get to an influence. What's going on. I think i think sooner or later. We're going to have to the route. These labels right because you can argue this is you can argue that. Lebron james is a greatest point guard of all time right because of what he's able to do on the court he's able to facilitate the ball and get everybody involved in the way that magic was able to do but he was a bigger strikes me though. But that's not that's not shocking to say because what have most people compare lebron to say he's now jordan but i'm just saying tiller mentality right complete. Bs though he's not labeled as a point guard he's labeled as a small grief you yes. I think there's a same category. our latest. There was history basketball as a shooting guard. That's all labels have kirby at the shooting guard because he shoots the ball. A point guard for me. Growing was the guy is going to go on the floor and get everybody involved. He's more looking so to pass. The ball is to shoot the ball. So will you ask me. He the greatest point guard of all time. I will say no because my idea of being a point guard is quite different. But the game has changed and it's revolutionizing so that ideally everybody is a center or power forward. The powerful position is dead the ideal way you look at a power forward is dead now. You don't have those antonio mcdyess. Dennis rodmans and the big bulky Otis thorpe kind of power forwards anymore. You had these strict fours and stretch. Fives is this. The game is chain so much man you can't you can't just label. These guys is being centers power for small four shooting guards point guards anymore with even the guy who just lamarcus aldridge. He's a guy that the nba. pass him up. His shot is money. Report line the markets outer shot was money but even him the game. Pass him up because he wasn't taking as many threes. No you're absolutely correct. One hundred and ten percent so right now we wouldn't categorize him as being the best point guard of all time but that does diminish anything that he's done and he's definitely number two on my list. I mean because you got to respect that shot all the way from the start at the court to end according he shot. And that's what makes him such lethal point guard all right so our last topic of discussion. We don't talk a lot of college football but trip lawrence trip. Lawrence had a bit of a i guess. I want to call it an interview with sports illustrated recently and he talked about a lot of things he talked about. You know way to bring to the game and just different stuff. But there's one particular quote for him that maybe wanna dive into right a little bit. Maybe one over analyze a little bit. 'cause that's what we do. We're we're part of me. You were gonna or is quotes all right. This is what he said. It's hard to explain that. Because i want people to know that i'm passionate about what i do and it's really important to me but i don't have this huge chip on my shoulder that everyone's out to get me and i'm trying to prove everybody wrong. I just don't have that. I can't manufactured at i don't want to. There's also more in life than playing football now. I respect for saying that. I mean not. Everybody is going to think that football is the the only thing that they have in the world and right. Everybody's not going to have a chip on his shoulder but does this kind of reflect his. I guess motivation to play the game in some sense. I mean you look at tom brady. No one has to tell you the chip on a shoulder at all times. You look at michael jordan. No one has a to to hit a chip on his shoulder. Kobe bryant shaquille. O'neal allow the greats. Just had that it internal self motivation to get things done. It was always like somebody was trying to get in their way. Are they had something to prove. Does that quote make you believe that. Trevor lawrence may not have some the prove or he may not have that inner drive in him. Well the quote tells me couple things how he grew up without based on a quote our soom socio economically that his family's probably doing okay right because that some of that hunger driver talking about is some sometimes not all the time right Sometimes people who've come up from rough situations not necessarily being poor as not what a murder saying just had tough things happen to them at young ages right. So i want to be very clear when i mentioned the socio economic. I'm not really necessary. Saying rich or poor. More saying he's he he had a situation that's probably he hasn't gone through something really bad or traumatic and it's life. I could be dead wrong. He could have had some really dramatic on live. And i could be wrong. But that's the first thing. I think the second thing i think is okay. That's fine. i never thought he was going to be gone because one thing. I do know this. If you're going to be a goat you have to live breathe and be whatever that thing you're chasing is it has to just it has to just consume your favorite being and basoglu like consuming. But i'm really good at it and instructs me very similar to like an andrew luck and if he turns if he has a career trajectory as an andrew luck. Some people may so angela. Tuck andrew luck retire early. he did. that's because he got beat up a lot if they protect this guy and he plays up to the level that we've seen him perform at clemson. It'll be just fine. Do i think he'll be the goat on this comment. No i don't think it's a chance he'll be the go but when i do think is. He's a phenomenal player. I saw him at clinton particularly in his freshman year. Do phenomenal things with the football. He has really good. I love the way he passes the ball. He's very athletic. Boy can fly with them. Golden locks he has the hair he got more can. Fly your stallion okay. So he'll be just fine if you're worried about him being good in the nfl based on this quote you worried about the wrong thing. I think for me. When i heard this quote i was like well. He's not the goat hunt. He ain't going to go but that's okay. You don't got to be the go that you don't have to be that you could have other emissions life and i'm okay with that you can be okay with it right. Everybody's not going to Be motivated to beat the best at what they do like that. And i'm not saying that he's not motivated but based off that quote that is definitely not the number one thing that he's thinking about in his life and you said it chris anybody that i know golden anything. They are consumed with that thing. They are obsessed with becoming the absolute best they would. You would never hear kobe. Bryant have a quote practice like he would tell you to eats breeze at sleeps basketball the same thing with michael jordan. Now looking at that quote i win. See see as being a red flag because we're talking about a different era players as well. Look at patchett maha on do that. Bro mahomes pedal hoses ever said that he eats breeze are sleeps football. But he's the best quarterback in the league right now and you know that he the ambition and a motivation to be one of the best to beat the goat. So i just look at this era of players and some of the comments that they make. It's just different nowadays. They're not they're not gonna be they're not gonna be. There can completely consumed with something like that. This is this is how it is right now. Back into a little bit different. I don't know about that because i don't. I don't know how. Patrick mahomes consumes football. I really don't because you're right. I haven't heard him necessarily talk about it in that way but when i do know is there are some people who see trevor lawrence is common. But i well. That's just a new age players. And i just disagree. It's not the new extra players. That's just how trevor lawrence fills and the thing about him. It's more frustrated. It may be more frustrating to hear because he has goat-like tomlin. We know that so when you hear that you're like okay so he's clearly not going to be the goat and i don't know people that rubs people so wrong is not. It's just it doesn't rub me that way. It's okay that he doesn't see the nfl like that particularly. Because i'm sure. I am pretty sure i could be wrong. That he's had a with angela. Andrews like look man. You're gonna get hit and it ain't worked at like i. I can honestly see him having that conversation your luck so i don't have a problem with what he said because i know he's gonna come out and now he's going to compete and i know he's going to be good so i'm i'm okay with man. I i definitely think there's a new ace thing because i think that a lot of these players are learning from previous players just like you said he might have had a conversation with andrew. Look andrew luck because they man is not working get hit like that and so he's taking a different mindset as to how seriously takes the game. I've heard different. People like area fosters. Say it ain't going back. In time. They would never football. He said on this podcast that he would play being over time. So are these statements that are being played now as opposed what was being said to me. When i was growing up was that oh man he's four. Players are gladiators they're going. They're putting their life on the line. You gotta go there raw. That's the mentality that we had. We had that mentality going in their crushing it and just being absolute best now. What these young folks are hearing quite different. They're hearing that football. Might not be the support for them that they might want to go to other avenues and just different things like that. Might change your mentality on how you wanna play the game. And that's what i mean. When i say these new school players they may not put it. All in like people would have done back in my day. So i just i mean. I'm not saying anything wrong with that. I just i just. You can hang always we always. We can always agree. Chris but that's fine but the reason disagree is is not is doesn't mean he doesn't work very hard and then he's but that's that could be taken out of what you said i mean can be taken out what you said. And he didn't say that at all all he's saying is i mean for what i the way i see this for week. One through seventeen or how many weeks they got down. Nfl he is. I think is eighteen because they added another week but either way he is going to play hard but he's okay with doing other things and i'm one hundred percent fine with that. I don't think he takes away from him doing what he does on the field and the thing i really like about him is it. It makes me think about russell. westbrook right. Everybody wants to play is harder as russell westbrook but you may just not. Everybody has that that motor that thing that that's what he's talking about is like i don't i don't have that so i'm either going to come in lot of you guys. Do i wish he kept to himself. Yes yes but is being honest. That's exactly what i'm saying to you. We'll talk about obesity that how people perceive it. How do you perceive him. Say that on the interview right. You look at russell westbrook. Because that's a pretty good example. We already know that russell westbrook pays the chip on his shoulder night. In and night out he has that relentless a'motor to this play. I'm beach you at any cost. But he said it when he was talking about. Stephen smith man like he's won a championship in life. That's important to him too. But you also know that import from do on the basketball court. But based off what trevor lawrence said. It was a combination of two things. Right you we all know to a certain degree that there's more to life than whatever sport that you're playing as an athlete right. Most some of them do but even the great so tell you know is all about football basketball or baseball right but the problem with me. Trevor lawrence is when he said that he can not manufacture having that chip on his shoulder. I think as a great player you always have to have that ability to take was someone says to you. Use that against us that as fuel but you. You said it chris based on what he said. I can't see him being the goat. And i think that's where our polls down to being the goat. I may have to backtrack amount coming. I'll say this to his defense thing about it in college in. Excuse me in high school heels. Probably call the best quarterback in the country and he wasn't probably was and then in his freshman year in nc double a. He went out and he didn't just beat alabama. He walked alabama and on his brain. He's never i think is more sound like i've really never been tested. He's never been criticized so he doesn't know and i think that chip he's more saying i can't even get up for the games because every time i show up i win so there. There's a chance where in because he's going to go through a bad teams going to the jaguars and their own. Four right and people were writing bad headlines about it about him. He may wake up. And i'm like oh no oh no. Oh this what you had to say about me. I'm coming for you. So there's a part of him that does does even understand criticism because he's been so good. I understand what you're saying. I really do but it goes both ways right. This is kind of like peyton manning and ryan leaf right you just you said it perfectly chris. Maybe hasn't had that adversity to get them to the point where he's like okay. I got a clapback but one or two things could happen. Just like you say. Chris he can start owen four and he can start off in the whole because it's going to happen wanna against the nfl. He's going to see a while. These people are really talented. Everybody is good at their position so he can use data black. You know what. I'm gonna play harder. And i'm gonna make football more part of my life or it could happen. He'd be like oh andrew. Look take this too seriously. So i'm gonna back now. I'm gonna keep on doing what i'm doing and i'm not gonna try to get any better i'm just gonna. I'm sure angela the intended. Msa say he said. I might he might take it that way. He might take it as he doesn't need to do. I don't think you'll take it back where he just if he fails he just he just didn't have it. He's a bust right side. I just i don't think but he would be a bust because he has the talent chris. Let's say they had the talent. He has been many layers born pigro. You have the talent you do talent right but some gop is. Do you have the mental. What you're saying but the guys just are your bust. I mean it just happens sometimes. But they're still reason why they're attributing this quote to him being a bus he'd be a bus because he's had enormous talent. It'd be as first time face guys at really challenged him and he doesn't to get off the mat. He doesn't have the mental forward to to do this. Do not today man. You can't agree with the easiest thing broke. The easiest thing is simple to be bad. Either you have it or you don't and based off. This quote is early indication that he may not have it just as now. He might be the greatest quarterback to ever live ever. He might go up there based on his shirt town his work ethic and go out there and dominate. It might happen but somebody's gonna hit him in the mouth eventually. 'cause all quarterbacks to go through that all players go through that who are trying to beat the goat and they overcome so i just don't know and i'm not saying he's gonna fall found his face. We don't know the saints will be one or two things this is. What every player. Either you're going to bounce back or you're gonna you're gonna fall to the wayside riley to me is a perfect example. Because he fell to the wayside he just did not have the mental to deal with the nfl giving him he did not have it. I remember to the video of him. Just totally be rating. This reported i was trying to ask them a question. I think that was the tipping for you like. I do not want to be edited quarterback. I just turned out. What do i hear what you're saying about ryan lee but there comes a moment where but you gotta understand. We thought you were no got understand. Go back in. The day is easy to say o'reilly bus now but back in the day it was like do we drive pay or do we dr ryan leaf remember. Remember i'm saying i get that. I guess my point is if you're a bus your bus but is not necessarily. It doesn't necessarily correlate with his quote he may just not have what it takes to be an nfl. Nothing do quote. Okay so let me let me ask you a question. Your question about this quote anti graduate. I i didn't need you can you. Can you understand at least this is. There's if he's a bus. It doesn't necessarily have to correlate with this quote. He could be a bus because he's a bus but what makes them a bust visas stiff. No no i'm serious. That's what makes you go to your mommy. Is that guys really popular. Now kevin samuels. He's like a size. But i'm skinny though but you attend though but i'm skinny as a question bro. I will have to say no. Because look what i'm looking at it like this. He has a talent correct. He has a talent to be successful in this league. we're seeing. He does have the talent. So what what characterizes him as a bust exactly. I think there's a lot of components that go with this right if he goes to the league and it's completely flakes and make the playoffs or anything like that yet. He's an absolute butts but there's different levels of bus right. Is he going to be jamarcus. Russell level but which i find very hard to the bus bro. What are we talking about because the bus. What is looking at. Because you're trying to you baas like that the listener can't see what you're doing a little phase i don't i don't know what mean that is. I read came and tell you that frustration looks a little frustrated because it's not that simple to me. Could you say he asks. We correlates with the quote as far as him not succeeding in fill. It doesn't necessarily have to corley with that quota. But i do most of it will because of who trevor lawrence is. He's the first overall pick and he has the talent to be one of the best ever played a game. So i do think that if he does not sure the as that inner drive to to make it over to hop or make over any adversity. Then yeah that will be part of it. But he thinks he didn't even say that he said he's not going to manufacture chip it. Ain't there yet with it when it when it comes there because it's going to come is going to be a moment where someone. Maybe he's one of those. That's that's what i said. I was on your nick sees. Yeah that's but eventually because what we're doing is we're trying to see chris. I think that's a problem. There is no but now i changed my mind. I gotta say how he wrecks to adversity and this support. I know yet. That's the point. We no-one knows dispelling. A whole bunch of stuff based off. This i know is a lot to speculate off of warren quote. I understand that. But i like kevin samuels this. Are you dress. I stand but you keep saying i'm skinny. Understand it bro. Bad this injury history behind it. That's why is so. It's very easy for me to explain. Because his history by lose seeing greats all the greats have that chip on their shoulder they just do and i think that if he's not trying to be a great then whatever i guess is not that big of a deal. 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Big Story Book Club: Victory Machine chapter 5 with Brady Trantham

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Big Story Book Club: Victory Machine chapter 5 with Brady Trantham

"Let's all store today. Podcast Chisholm Holland Brady Transform. Here with you for the book club first off as a little bit of a note here. I know that I was one podcast short last week. I was on my deathbed sick. So I'm one podcast behind me a madison. We'll catch up this week so I apologize for that but today we were reading chapters. Five through eight of Ethan Strauss's new book victory machine the making and unmaking of the Warriors Dynasty. We talked about the first four chapters last week. And we're finishing the book this week all the two week episode or two week a two episode book here for Brady. And really if we're GONNA talk about all the chapters we've read between eleven rings in this one. Chapter Five of the victory machine is the most enthralled matrix. I had never read it before and I'd read eleven rings before but this is the most enthralled that I've been in chapter in a long long time book. Oh Yeah no question this is I mean. This is the reason why people are going to buy this book. Because of this chapter mean Kevin Durant's on the cover. Kevin Durant is one of the most polarizing athletes not just of this generation that probably of all time regardless of sport just because of his legacy his legacy currently has the player and you know trying to forecast his legacy as a player years down the road when he's done playing the guy just whether you like him or don't matter you don't care for them or you hate them for whatever reason like he demands a lot of news and a lot of chatter and this is basically your wet dream if you WanNa if you go. If you just don't like Kevin Durant. This chapter was written for you. Yeah so we. We were talking about this book on twitter and a listener and thunder. Fan said well. Do I want to redesign thunder fan? We're like no no no. This chapter is fourth on your fans. Like there's going to be anybody who enjoys this as much as okay see people? Yeah the interesting thing is like I mean not to get too far ahead of ourselves but you know Ethan Strauss professionally as a writer covering the Golden State Warriors. His story with Kevin ran of course starts after Kevin durant burned everybody around by leaving Oklahoma City so while this chapter is going to like you know a lot of thunder fans are going to get started experience out it just by reading just going like I knew that guy was snake. I knew he was the son of a bitch. Like all all those things like I get it but with Ethan the writer of the book. He doesn't necessarily have that professional opinion of him now. He might have a basketball opinion of him. But I mean he's going to check out the door because of his job. But just the unraveling of the relationship between Kevin Durant Ethan Strauss and you can extrapolate that for the rest of the Golden State daily media because in some weird scenario if Kevin Durant left the warriors and joined the Oklahoma City Thunder in some. You know alternate universe. Yeah everything went down the same way. It would probably happen with US covering Kevin Durant on a daily basis. Just everything that went into the the entire situation with everything that went into Kevin Durant head what came out of his mouth. It was just so cringe-worthy and all say this because look I. I know covering the thunder as a native Oklahoman. Some people are probably going to assume that I'm biased towards the thunder because I'm a local like there's always going to be a little bit little bit of that is me as a native Oklahoma. I'm all admit that but growing up the heat fan rooting for the thunder for a few years and then deciding that I wanted to do this professionally. You know I check my under at the door. And it's kind of organically gone away so I really went into chapter with kind of the mindset of. I don't hate Kevin Durant. I don't have a bad personal opinion of him. I have a professional sports and basketball opinion of him. But I'm not going to go into this. Chapter looking for reasons to dislike him if that makes sense and. I'll just tell you this mean you might. You might agree. You cannot read this chapter and not have a negative opinion of the guy impossible. Yeah no it is not It's just I would love to meet someone who reads this and goes you know what he's not as bad as I thought a medium are this book. I told Sam this on the air. This book made me realize a lot of things about Kevin Durant. It also made me feel sorry for him. And I don't mean sorry in the way that Kevin wants me to feel sorry not saying like he's been victimized in. Oh man I feel sorry for Kevin Getting victimized. That's totally unfair. It made me feel sorry for him in a way of I think there's something with Kevin that he can't control that is kind of unraveling his life a little bit here and there's not a whole lot. He can do about it and again. It's not in the way that Kevin Because Kevin kind of wants to be the victim right and he wants to be admired and loved and have some compassion for. I don't have it in that regard. I have it in the life. There might be something wrong with Kevin like. I think there's something else going on here. Oh Yeah I mean. Just the mental mistakes that he's made Whether or not you agree with his move the city to golden state like this. This has little to do with that because at the end of the day he did nothing wrong. He didn't cheat to Golden State. Say he didn't break any moral law. It was it's just an unprecedented move. That left a lot of people the bad taste in our mouth and the better bands especially felt betrayed. I don't really blame them for feeling betrayed in the first place but at the same time professional athletes they make decisions all the time and decisions. That are typically right for them. Kevin Durant made the right decision. He went to Golden State to go win championships. He accomplished his mission. One hundred percent. Good job but if if you'll indulge me Chisholm because my conspiracy theory brain just kind of flared up reading this chapter is I like. I'm sure you remember this. But the day he went to golden state everybody and their dog on twitter and said well. They're going to win the championship. It's not going to be close. And then Hey Katie. Never GonNa be your squad. It's always going to be steph curry. Why did you do this? Like a lot of that was out there Kevin Durant. No doubts thought that himself. I'm actually kind of curious if those around him that he especially you know. Listen to. Let's just say they didn't like rich. Climate I wonder if they ultra prepared him for the whole factor of people are going to say that. Steph curry is better than you. Or that that the The Golden State Warriors are his team so much so because they wanted Kevin to bounce quickly after he won his titles. Y- what I'm saying because every time you can strauss brings up steph curry like anecdotal Covering Kevin Durant Kevin just gets his super ultra defense mode. Yeah I here let me just I read this because I think this will put everybody in the mindset. If you've not read the book this I'm just GonNa Chapter Five Kevin Me. I'm going to be a straight on the page. Irish Kevin Durant for this chapter. The exchange via text ended as follows. Him Fuck You. Fuck your sources in your book. How much money you pay me for my chapter. Me Colon How much do you think it's worth him? Colon not enough. That tells you everything about this chapter. Because if that's the way he's in starts you realize. Oh Wow Ethan's pulling no punches here on everything that's going on. And there's so many weird stories so many weird stories in this book and I don't even know where to start like started highlighting everything I thought like. Wow how crazy is that? Then I realized I was just highlights entire chapter all fifty five pages every page every paragraph. Has something juicy that somebody's going to love like no doubt? I mean when this book initially dropped like the day that it drops we already saw screen shots of like line from this chapter about how much of a whatever you wanNA call Kevin Durant. How much of that he is. I mean the first thing that I saw from this book on twitter when the book drops was the most baseline. How are you gonNA call yourself no buckets? If you don't average twenty points per game and that's that's what we're dealing with that's the mindset that we're dealing with a very and I'm not saying this in an insulting way but based off of his actions and his reactions. Kevin Durant is a sensitive person again. That's not in Psalm. Not Trying to insult the guy in the UA sensitive if people say. Shit about me on twitter. I'm a human being like depending on my mood. It might make me feel a certain way but this is the arguably the best player on earth right now. Kevin durant playing for arguably the best team in NBA history and he can't even handle a beloved role guy on the bench and most space getting a little bit of limelight. Because he feels it's taking it away from him and that's Kevin Durant nutshell. Yeah do you WanNa talk about the big takeaway here? Obviously some of the Steph Curry Kevin or anything and other STEPH CURRY DID ANYTHING. But you kind of mentioned it. They're just the insecurity that Katy built there and when it comes into regards to thunder fans and just not even necessary thunder fans. But I guess Kevin's relationship with okay. See is I think when he left for Golden State after reading this book. I think that Kevin felt like he knew that they were going to be some backlash right. Now how much? I don't think he was quite prepared for but I think he. He knew that he was gonna take a moment but I think eventually he thought he would get the moniker of little old. Kevin durant and being the franchise sweetheart again. I thought he was going to be. He thought he was going to be able to earn that. And I think he learned that he was never going to be the franchise little sweetheart because that was always going to be steph curry in. That sounds so obvious to us but I truly think Kevin thought he could. He could get that back he could get that love and adoration that he had an Oklahoma City. He thought he could obtain that elsewhere. And at some point in his time and Golden State he realized he was Never GonNa get it. He was never going to get it because there were someone else now. Locker Room who had already had it. And there's only one of those just like when Kevin was here. Do you who everyone hated on Russell. Non Stockley nonstop. It's fan base can only have one guy who can do no wrong right like there's only one and I Kevin learned that lesson and he just became sensitive to it became very obvious to it but I think that was something that he learned in those first couple years. Not only does the national be right but even the Golden State fans don't love me like I think they should because they love Steph curry and I think I think that is the root of everything. The reason he ended up leaving Golden State. Because he wasn't Steph and which again super obvious for us but for some reason I feel like he thought they could love staff in Kevin the same way like they would love both of them a great basketball players and they can both hate a lot of threes and make lay ups. In the Kevin's is those. Two things were synonymous before he got to stay. If I'm the best player I'm also the most beloved player when a Reality Desert obviously two very separate things. Yeah let's just quote the man himself. I mean the climax of this chapter in my opinion is the press conference where Kevin Durant calls out. Even Strauss's are you can strauss by name and throws him under the bus and it became that whole store. We all remember when that went down that night. I mean I certainly do. It was a twitter story was a national story for about a week and even Strauss kind of called it. He wrote in that article and then he quoted it in the book. Where like now? We're going to have this weird argument. About how professional athletes are just put up on by aggressive like attack based media? When we're missing the entire point that the best player on earth is trying to leave or probably wants to leave the best team on. Earth. That's true but Kevin Durant in that press conference. What did he say he said? All I WANNA do is go to the gym hoop and go home now. That's inherently silly. Because Kevin if you WANNA do that quit your job. Go to the Y. Go do that and then go home. You won't have any fans trolling you at at the arena. You'll have media waiting for you when you're done playing. That's what you want. So when Kevin goes to golden state that's how he fuses job that I'm just here to play basketball. Which that's fine but as we any career like I cover the thunder. I do more than just cover the thunder you do more than just produce. Monday through Friday for the triple m ranch. You do a lot more than that. Kevin just can't seem to get that so when he goes to golden state he just think. I'm a better player than Steph Curry. Like if we were just if I was just joining his exhibition team I would be the best player on the team. Therefore it's my team and that's how his mind apparently seems to think when he just forget the entire aspect of it's a professional sport you're able to make millions of dollars because the fan interest because of media interest and the Phantom media have a part to play and they have. Their part is basically the narrative. The narrative is already set. You Join Steph. Curry's team Steph. Curry is one of the best players of all time that ain't GonNa Change and he wasn't able to cope with it. Yeah I agree with you that that is the Ethan. Strauss stuff that press conferences a a really high climax something that had happened and this is not like newfound information but something that I just forgot existed until I read it in this book and I was like. Oh my God. How do we not just talk about that for six straight months is the two thousand eighteen championship hurried when everyone now whether they have Bob Fitzgerald? Who is there? I think he's play by play guy. I'm not entirely sure. But he works for the team and he's says he's going in for some jokes he's that I heard you tell Kevin he can have whatever contract he wants next year. Fitzgerald. To- Bob Myers. That was just for the media Myers rigged. You have anything like that. At all. Myers added Curry. Interjected mid level reference to the modest mid-level exception. I think last year you told Steph Curry. He could have con- whatever contract he wanted. Fitzgerald said not letting it go while referencing Kef Steph. Curry's recently sized supermax two hundred million dollar contract. Yeah that was different. He's been here from the way before days. He's earned it. Yeah I mean even if he wants even