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Big Brother All-Stars | Live Feed Update | Tuesday, Sept 8, 2020

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Big Brother All-Stars | Live Feed Update | Tuesday, Sept 8, 2020

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Armstrong and with today. SJT HAIDIAN JT. Hey, what's up man I am great yesterday. was. Quite today. And I. To say. The day indeed. I feel like I've been saying that every morning this week but Here, we are again with another one so. Let's get into it. We are here to talk about everything that happened yesterday on the Big Brother Twenty. Two alive feeds. It was day thirty four in the House and. A lot going down between. Veto ceremony. Whether or not the veto is going to be used. And then you know some some drama later in the day, there's a there's a lot to talk about here jt. Yeah. It's it was a so. We honest. At the when it was time for them? Party. I was like, Oh, well, today was want Wa wa like it was just like a total throwaway but then. When the fees in back up I was like this is what I'm talking about. This is gonNA. Give me some good context for Morrow Bay I was ready and. And the HOUSEGUESTS did not. Disappoint. Yes I I'm we should be. We should be live here on Youtube but. I think I think we're having a little trouble, but we're GONNA. This is. Yes I'm trying to. Share links now and Your tweet was not letting me copy the lungs. There's been some trouble here. Employees. These, things happen. Now we're live somewhere. Okay. Here we are. Here we go. There Okay Now. I can see that people are talking in the. Mary go boy there's our people. Yeah. Sorry about that. Especially to the listeners. Are. GonNa. Listen to this later today or tomorrow be like, what are they talking about? All right. Anyway anyway. What a day? What a day we have we started the day obviously. We had to check to see whether or not. Tyler is going to be leaving this week. Is Christmas going to put him on the block? One of the first things we saw in the day was that Bailey went to tyler and said Look Tyler. I don't think Christmas is going to do this I. think she's probably worried that I'm not going to be on her side after she put me up and that that I'm not gonna come after her and so. I feel like she's probably not going to do it bites. I. Appreciate the gesture and I want you to know that you've got permission to vote me out over debt. Yes. So the thing about this conversation is there are people on twitter that were like, Bailey, stop like stop doing this doing this but what people have to remember is that when you are on the block and you are on the block next to an ally and you feel like it's your fault that are on the block nets new and you're in billy situation where number one you didn't really WanNa come on the show in the first place. Number two, your husband really wants you to come home. And number three, you have accomplished your goal. For why you did decide to come. Like you're like, okay, it's fine. She deserves to be more than I do like it's okay. You can like everyone can vote me out and then we'll get into that deep conversation that about the rules and how lovely Gardner and the production staff love to bring up the rules when it best suits them. But that's a different conversation which I'm sure we'll get into later on. Yes. Well, tyler talks to cody an Enzo and he lets them know that he tried to quit yesterday. And then the feet Scott and Danny in cody have a conversation where she's talking about wanting to leave because he's about to start and this is the last opportunity for her to go and be with her child that she is missing. and. She's feeling like like she shouldn't have done. This doesn't really want to be here. She also talks about how she feels like Tyler was trying to get her victim and she asked Christmas about it and Christmas lied to her face because there's no way that two and a half deep conversation was nothing. And Cody says now, no, he was trying to quit. He's trying to get himself evicted. Allison had to Alison Gardiner had to come and show up and and talk him down. Yeah I. Just this day this. I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything that happened because I thought it was gonna be like a nice smooth. Day. And that's not what. I feel like. I have to. You, guys are going to hear my descent for Christmas later on in the day, but I'm going to give her the one complement of the podcast and that is. Her? In my opinion from what I saw. I think that she lipped tyler to get him to not just say, Hey, I'm not going to use it if you WANNA go out either get somebody else to put you up or walk out the door but to also say Yo you deserve to be here you need to be here. We need to hear Angela has you forever like? Spend the next sixty days with me, and we'll be okay and like talking him in by getting his head like back in the game she did a good job with really making sure that he was still here. Not Just GonNa just wait until the next h h came. To really be here for the long haul I think she did a very good. Yeah I I I. I think that's true. I think. That's what happened. or at least part of it, but it's hard to know because the feeds were caught for all of their conversations which I think that. I think that production side of this was we're going to cut these feeds to protect ourselves from this situation. And I think it really or maybe they thought they were protecting tyler I. Think it's worse for Tyler that we did not see these conversations because from our perspective tyler went in being like I'm I want to quit and came out like. I'm staying. which like looks real sketch. Do. Hours and hours of berating from Gardner and Christmas t to get him to that point. and. The fact that we didn't see it only looks all the worst. For for Tyler. Which? To be honest. I. deserves. So. Christmas talks today she says, look I feel like I'm being pulled into something that has nothing to do with me. So. I'm just trying to figure out if this is what's best for me. which it's not like to be clear here. It is incredibly unfair to put this burden in Christmases lap to Avigdor closest ally. Like of course, she has every right to be like I don't want to evict my own ally on my own age that I won the veto for that like I like this is a fair argument that like look Tyler view want to leave you can you can leave but don't make me screw up my own stuff. Right I do I do one hundred percent agree. With that that that Christmas that as far as like the game goes. If you take everything else that we know is coming later on in the day each all of that out of it Christmas making a very valid point like this is your vendetta to settle I, put the of you on the block for so and so reasons which will get into later in the day. And I don't WanNa put my ally up and I feel like this is a missed opportunity. For Bayan Day. Out of what? I'm saying it's missed opportunity because I know things if they don't know as houseguests. As far as the daily situation goes. If they had more information when it comes to tyler I feel like they could of the Dave van and be smart enough players to be what have been able to twist this and be like well, clearly, she's not gonNA put Tyler up. A whole twenty, four hours more a little more than twenty four hours to figure this out. But. If they would've thought hey, well, clearly, we're not going to get tyler up, but there is a way that both of us can stay and that's the get Danny up. But they would have get tyler out of that mindset sooner than he was out of that mindset because they need tyler in game mode in order for that to happen. Yeah I mean I. Do I wonder what would have happened if when tyler approach day in Bay about? Putting himself up them saying like, okay. If if this is really your motivation to help us, then put your money where your mouth is and let's go to Christmas and try to get her to put somebody else up. And, and let's let's try and make that move in that. We can all work together. And get somebody else out of the house and you can help you can work with us to get to the end. because. I know I don't know if he would've worked but it might. kind of puts tyler spot, right? Yeah. It's definitely A. Hail Mary move, but it's Like you said if your reason. For doing this is what you say it is. Then you This is what we think is going to be best for your reasoning to to be valid than this is what what you should do. This is how you can help us. Yeah. I think part of this too. Now this is kind of. I think in unfortunate miscommunication. because. It's it's leaving bay day in the dark a little bit that when tyler went to bay day the day before the day that we're talking about to say that he was going to get himself put up on the block he was saying that. He was doing this because he wants them to get further. And that everything that he said about Danny was the truth and he said, no, I'm not guilty I'm not completely innocent. In this situation? Which is true like he that this, this is exactly what it is that. Danny and Nicole were coming for day before Tyler. Did anything. And Tyler just let day in Bay No. Now that doesn't mean the tyler is completely innocent because he also did say some things about Bailey, those things were not the reason Bailey was targeted by by Danny and Nicole. But he did say some things. So He's essentially saying like Danny was coming for you. I had nothing to do with that or at least. I I'm I was telling the truth about that but I am not innocent in this situation and I think part of it too. Is that Tyler wasn't sure Tyler thought he might be a little bit. A little bit responsible for Danny Nicole coming after Dan Bay without realizing that they had been after them long before any of this happened. And so. What. Day In bay get out of this conversation is okay. So Tyler is the reason we're in this spot. They feel like, okay. Tyler wasn't lying about Danny, but he's the reason. Danny was coming after us in the first place that he was trying to self sabotage and he was just pitting people against each other and he's the one that got us here and that is leading them to not realize the Danny and Nicole were actually after. Them long before. This right yeah. So yeah. So I feel like. Day In bay. I can't blame, Dan Bay. For grabbing this horse by the reins and taking the hand that was dealt to them and running with it I, just wish that they would ask for to be a different hand. Acre. I just I. Don't know. I just feel like I feel like they played this of the best way that they could with the information that they had. I just don't. Believe. Like when we are on podcasts like are we can think about is the what ifs because we know things that they don't know you know. So it's Just I don't know. Yes, well. My the ultimate point here is that the bay in day took from that conversation that Okay Tyler admitted that he's the reason that we're in this spot to begin with, and because of that, they really feel like they can trust Nicole and Danny because they feel like Nicole and Danny were tricked into coming after them. So that's kind of the takeaway that they got from that situation and they felt like the reason tyler was doing this was because he felt guilty for targeting them in the first place, which is unfortunately a bit of a bit of a misread on the situation I think this might eventually get cleared up if they talked to tyler a little bit more. But Tyler's like back in game mode so it may not happen. But. But anyway. Day goes to tyler and she says, Hey, are you sure this is what you want to do. Like. Are you sure about this and he says, yes, I'm not taking it back. I've done everything that I can short of you know straight up just throwing in the towel which you know I can't do and she's like I know you can't. You can't do that. And so at this point, we're like, okay, he he's saying he's done everything he can. It's clear. He's gotten some pushback both from production from Christmas and and ultimately it seems this decision is GonNa come down to. To Christmas, who at this time is seeming like she doesn't want to do it. So it's it's at this point that I'm like, okay I'm feeling like this isn't going to happen. And Christmas, Tyler goes to Christmas the feeds get blocked again we do not see this conversation again. And at the end of the conversation, we see that Christmas is saying that, Hey, tyler, you made a commitment to be here. that. I'm not I'M NOT GONNA be back door on anyone on my. Angela can get you you know in a few months. And and that's that's what's going down and he's like, okay. And she tells him that. He should not tell anybody what the plan is the they talk about like, what should we say and she tells him to just be like I say that I didn't. Christmas loves this rule. I'm not allowed to say what I'M GONNA do. Not Allowed to say so tell them tell them that I didn't tell you. And he's like, okay. And, then she proceeds to tell him about the the all women's Alliance that was created the night before. And a few other things that K now. Now we're GONNA, WE'RE GONNA get back into the swing of things here tyler here's some information. Yeah I think Christmas like I said, have to give her props. She really made sure that not only was tyler. Okay with. It doesn't matter if he was okay with that, she wasn't going to use it but not know console him to let him know I'm not gonNA use it. You're staying in this game now now that that's settled, let's make sure that you're back in game. And actress what she proceeds to him about the alliance they make their plan for what they're gonNA. Say going forward you know. She she did a really good job with saving her her secret ally in this game that is not going to be a secret going forward but. Yes so I will I will give you my my perspective just here on this tyler situation. I fully believe and I said from the start that he wanted to quit. We've seen that from him all season long that he hasn't wanted to be here that he didn't want to be here in the first place he declined the invitation in the first place. I think that he genuinely wanted to quit I think that he also took an opportunity to say to to like. Maybe wins some points. Four his quit. With some other situations to to bring up that it's he's doing it for Bailey and Devan to say that he doesn't want that he wants to support their caused he wants to. Help them get to the end That we talked about this yesterday before he reneged on it that that is that is in my opinion where he goes wrong like you can quit the game and on a game level. I won't respect you as a player, but you're just quitting the game. You're just you're just quitting the game. Now I don't doubt that he on some level supports. Day In bay and would like to see them succeed. But you you can't just make an empty gesture. And get people's hopes up when that's not true motivation, right? Go. Go ahead. So. Here's my thing in. So there's a conversation. That happens right before the feast for the POV meeting between Bailey they von and Kevin Love Room and They're trying to explain to Kevin. The whole tyler situation and. All this stuff and they've on, makes it very clear that she said that she didn't believe a damn thing tyler said. She thought it was all bull crap that he was blowing smoke up their butts until he said that line. That he was doing it or the movement. The black girl magic the black lives matter the whole black villainy other to blame everyone just just quickly interject here because there's been a lot of discussion on did tyler actually you know bring up black lives matter he did not say those words but he referenced the 'cause the Movement. What they stand for, and that is what they stand for. Me So, he definitely implied it. So. She and she clearly said that that is when she was like there's no way that this can be think because once you say that once you imply that. If it is fake if that is game than you are sick. Twisted. Effort. Those. was like that is. That's crazy to me and I think that. Once you say that you you gotta start packing because you have to leave like what you said you. You have no choice you got to go like, would you know that not only other lack? It's not like this is like survivor where you can. You know just hope that the producers cut it out of the edit no hundreds of millions of thousands of trillions, billions during pavilion billion people. Saw you sell. Yeah. So you say that so like you. You better start packing now because either you're getting voted artery walking out the door, but you got to leave. To make sure they both stay after saying that and I think. That He. Screwed up like he's he's By not making sure that he's leaving because of it. Yes, and this is the problem with with trying to attach this extra motivation to an action that he was already doing in the first place because. Again. In Tim be clear gets a little jumbled here I. fully believe that Moment Tyler was being genuine about his desire to quit I think that he also felt in that moment that it was an opportunity to also support. Bay Day I. Think he was genuine in his desire to support them. But that was not the primary reason for him wanting to quit and he was acting like it was and so when his primary motivation for wanting to quit gets talked down by Alison Gardiner and Christmas. That secondary motivation should still be like if that was the real motivation than than the other stuff wouldn't wouldn't have changed his mind but because because he brought that other stuff up and it wasn't the real motivation now that's going away. That's what looks really bad and that's why he shouldn't have ever brought into it in the first place and I feel like I. This I wanna make this very clear that this is a a an assumption. In my heart of hearts I feel like his. Alliance with David. Is. Somehow, playing a part in this whole thing David is not we have watched way this gay. David is not the type of player that Tyler would align himself with especially not semi publicly because there's people that clearly know that Thailand David at working together. Working together, I put that in quotes. And I don't know like. Besam I'm very proud of David for keeping his mouth shut about this power but besides that David is not the greatest bb player is not the greatest strategist. He's he's subpar below average as a player in Tyler knows that and sees that. and. He's not that's not the type of player that he would align himself with. So I don't know if. If. This game or he's just like well, let me be the savior of the of the he. OC. Group in the House because it's twenty twenty and there's corona virus and black lives matter going on and I need to make sure that you know if I don't win because there's legends in here with me legends in here with me that I. Can. Be Known for something, or I don't know what the motivation is. Always Been Tyler Fan but I don't think this is a good look whatsoever. Yes. Yes. I completely agree with that that. Again you know he he he he should. He should never have. You should not invoke the you know as support of the cause is to say that you are supporting other people. Like, Dane A. because. That matters to you if it's not. If. It's if it's not the main thing if it's not the real part of that, right? So. And then on top of that like. After his behavior afterwards is is he is not again because I think he was genuine in that moment, but then afterwards. When he is essentially allowing it to be taken back, he is not going back to them and explaining and apologizing and. Or anything like bat he is fully back in game mode and he is. He's essentially stonewalling them again. Christmas telling him don't tell them anything tyler is going to go. To baileigh and she's asking him for advice on like what she should do with her speech. And he's giving her. Wouldn't name me specifically. And like like you shouldn't be doing this stuff like this is what you should say because he saying that Oh yeah Christmas didn't tell me I don't know what she's going to do. And he taught this is when he talks about like like the rules of Lake not not allowing not not being allowed to say that you want to be. Like. This is going around to. That again, I fully believe the tyler was. jazzed is that he was threatened that. Like. No, you'd you'd better not do this. I fully believe the production like ask Eric Stein a you know what it's like to try and go against productions wishes on a technicality they will. They will get you. So I fully believe that he was berated into again, not wanting to quit. But he is he is not doing any kind of like A. Can four somebody that brought up that he really wanted to support their cause. He is fully forgotten that part of it. And he is now acting like it was just a quit. He never mentioned that and he has no responsibility to. Sort of like have any kind of apology or anything like that and not he has he I mean he has. He hasn't. He hasn't apologized in the right way I should say, right? Yeah and this goes back to Earth saying that like if that was your true intent, then you when you realize that she didn't want you out and that she wouldn't put you up. You would have done what you needed to do to get somebody on the block even if in the end Bailey, still goes home. At least today Van, who could be a good ally for you because after Newsweek, she doesn't know what she's GonNa do with. We'll talk about later but you could have done something to get somebody else on that block. Now. I'm going to skip ahead a little bit because this is still relevant. I do want to say that the Tyler has a conversation with David a little bit later where he explains. His side of the story I guess and I don't know how much of this is true because he's he's talking to another player in the game at this point and stuff but Tyler tells the story today but he says that he felt guilty that it might have been his fault that Bay and day were on the block because he told them, he warned them that Danny was coming for them as a kind of way of self sabotaging like they're probably going to betray me and out me, and then I'll be in trouble and I'll get sent home. And if it works then great and if it doesn't then I'll be sent home and he felt like because he gave them the heads up that that Danny. Danny and Danny found out, and that's why Danny came for them, and that's why Christmas is coming for them and so in a way this is all his fault in his version of self sabotaging and this is something that like. People who are very down, themselves can often sort of. Get in this perspective of like everything is their fault. Everything is like on them everything is you know in their own world? So. Because of that he felt like okay. I'm going to quit the game I didn't want to be here at I've been self sabotaging I'm GonNa fix my own mistake I'm going to fix my own error in the the the damage that I caused I'm GonNa fix it by leaving an leading bay stay in the game. Then he went to Christmas and Christmas told him hold on why are you sacrificing your game for Bailey? It is not your fault that she's being targeted. We've been targeting her for a long time Nicole Danny and I. Second she threw you under the bus this week unprompted third. This is something that she hadn't told him yet it. Let me know that he was talking to Bailey last week before any of this happened, and she was telling her him that she was down to put you on the block and back door. Cody. And like that's what was going down and Tyler says to David. Like I am. I found out that she had betrayed me I thought I'd gave her that information and she didn't go anywhere with it and that she wasn't coming for me and come to find out that she had been talking about putting me on the block last week and she threw me under the bus this week. And so. So. Because of that, I think in his mind he is now sort of like I no longer hold a responsibility to to. Apologize to her for this because I thought it I thought this was my fault in it wasn't i. thought that may was loyal to me and she wasn't and so I think he's like, okay hands off and that would be tyler's perspective according to what he says to David which again. That's that's that's David. That's what he's saying David which again he's he's back in the game and he's has a reason to lie at this point but I if I'm going to guess one tyler comes out of the house. If I'm going to guess what his story is I'm going to guess that it's exactly what I said. Yeah I totally I totally agree with you. And, I think I think that anything not anything but for the majority of things that Tyler Toes David. Are It's pretty much true. I do feel like. Tyler knows at David is is. Latching onto him. As someone that can get them further into the game. So, when I was watching that conversation I was totally I didn't. It didn't cross my mind that he was lying at all like I totally entire. Yes and. I'm going to guess tyler not going to say anything about this ever. That's very likely as well. But but I but if we're trying to like figure out where. Where Tyler motive I do believe that Christmas probably said something to him that made him feel betrayed by Bailey. And that's probably why he felt justified in being like. Okay. Well, reneging on the offer. I don't know you anything at this point that would be my guess. Now, that does not mean that he actually was justified but. I think I think that that's his story and I think it's probably true in his mind. So Back. To this back to the proper chronology. Chronology. Chronology chronology. Yeah So Tyler also talks to Danny now that his head is bad game, he knows that he needs to talk to Danny and try to clear the air a little bit. He says that he was self sabotaging. and. He apologizes for what went down. That he was trying to essentially get himself addicted and he would love to reset from this point. We didn't really get a lot of this conversation. It felt very stilted and there wasn't much information exchanged from what we saw but the feeds cut for the ceremony. I don't know how much longer it went on from this point. But but they did have a conversation and later in the day Danny. is talking to Nicole and she does seem a little bit chilled on the let's target tyler immediately situation it seems like she was saying we don't need to go after him quite yet. Right. something. I did notice about this conversation. Is that. Danny did something that I really liked where she was like She approached the situation as if they had never had in be. Which I think is smart to do in the big. Brother. House is when you start the conversation off as we don't have any problems like this, let's just talk about us. Let's just let me tell you how much I like you much. I respect you. I'm not coming after you and let's not talk about any past things that have happened before. And it seemed like Tyler was very receptive to that. You've seen come like a I wanNA talk to you about this situation I want to talk to you about this specific beef and I think in the Big Brother House in your confined with these people for so long and all all that's there to do is to fester in your beef with people. I think that it's a skirt and a smart move when you approach someone to talk to them in a private conversation and just be very chill about it and let the you know whatever the situation is come up. You know naturally in the conversation and then people tend to do that. Then It tends. To be a more civil conversation and doesn't lead to an argument. So. Props to Danny for doing. so Go down for the ceremony. Christmas chooses not to use the power of veto. After the ceremony and feeds comeback Christmas is talking today Vaughan she says look I just can't trust that bay is not gonNa come for me. It just is not my responsibility to get tyler out of here. If she wants Tyler gone, she can do it herself. That is that is the explanation here. Bay talks to David. And she tells him. I would rather look gullible. Than angry. Which? Is. I think. True. And sat at the same time. She explains also that Tyler is the reason that all of this happened that that that he has been trying to get her out for a while. Now he admitted to it again, this is the misunderstanding that happened that I was referring to earlier that that she feels like he admitted to trying to get her out of the game for weeks now that it was his fault that she was in this position and that that he was going to, he was offering himself up to be evicted because he felt guilty about it. And that it didn't happen because Christmas wouldn't let it happen. Yeah, and I just want to. Okay. So the rest of this day. is going to be like the angry part of GTS coming out I'm not gonNA yell and scream, but it's gonNA come on just want to preface the rest of this podcast by state. that. It is I one hundred percent agree that it is not christmases responsibility to take tyler out. Because they want her to. But I will say. that. It's not regardless of whether Tyler was talked out of it by production or whether Christmas talked him out of there or whether he changed his mind or whether he realized that just wasn't good. He has a chance to win the game whatever the the the situation is. When Christmas realize she wasn't going to use it or hours before the POV meeting and she kept bleeding bay day on for four hours up until the POV meeting on. She was not. Knowing that she wasn't going to use it. And let them put all that time energy effort passion strategy social like they put their entire lives into those four hours prior to the veto meeting and she knew she wasn't going GonNa use it as she didn't tell one of them is not. It's Very bad it's very bad play because. She's to quote Bailey now on top of whoever stays Nautilus. So. It's just as bad game play now when the when it comes down to the slick six or whatever stupid name they have. To turn on each other like knowing who's GonNa believe. Anything she says, regarding Hoa be does now because she doesn't tell people what she's GonNa do. Yeah I mean I think that? I think on a on a game level. Not Not telling I don't think that other people are going to be suspicious of her. Not telling bandages not using the veto necessarily. But. She is unnecessarily souring Bain Day by obviously leading them on. And I think that there are other events that will happen later in the night that will sour other people. Christmas. This. Only. Boy Well. Bailey talks to Ian. and He lets her know that he's he likes percentages he's about sixty forty. Leaning, towards keeping Dave on that he unfortunately, this isn't fair to Bailey but he has a better relationship with Avon outside of the house he knows he doesn't really Know Bay. She tells him that well, just as a heads up Christmas named you as her untouchable. And Ian is like a little bit later he's like, can I? Have a question. I. Ask you a question. Shoot. Is. In untouchable. Like what does that mean? Somebody that you would never touch that. You'd never put on the. Block. Or sent home or vote against or anything like that like that is your person. He's like like all the way to the end like even like final three. You still wouldn't touch. Yeah. Yeah. All the way to these. You never never touched them. So it's a final to. Sh- will yeah. Gosh this conversation Super Fun to watch. because. You can tell the he was like. Trying to get to say it's a final two and. Like finding every way not to be like it's your final two and I am when there's to feed came up talking. Like we didn't know what the hell they're talking about like we're just because we weren't able to see that competition and then. And then she's like, so it's a final two Jill's like. Yeah. Just like. Because because you have more than one untouchables she's. Who a final. And he's he's he's GonNa continue to talk about that. He really doesn't like this term I agree and GonNa Make Fun of this term later I'm so happy that like. I. Brought this up the other day, and now they're in the house and they're totally on board with me I'm like bank you because this untouchable thing is just weird. I keep. Picturing UNCROSSABLE. 's. Jelly. Peanut butter to my. Jelly. Like you're my uncrossable you're you're my uncomfortable I. Love You just as much as I love on crystals. alright. So Bay also talks to Kevin she tells him about the tyler stuff again says, Tyler Tyler he's been doing this to me for a long time. She tells them that he tried to sell vic because he felt so guilty and Kevin says, Oh, I don't believe that I don't believe that he was ever going to want to quit. So Kevin thinks that this is all like. Has all been a Maquiavelian. Scheme. which is again, I fully believe is not the case. I saw some people think, oh, this is tyler's funeral. This is if if this was a game move which I fully believe it was not it's a terrible it doesn't do anything for dialer. So. It makes them look really bad. It makes them look really bad it can I just say about the Kevin Conversations something I've realized is. Kevin is like the most. Cynical is the right word but Kevin is. Kevin is the the conspiracy theory person of the season like? Everything. You say like I don't believe anything anyone says like you need to prove to me and I need it in writing. And I need. A coal bourboule mental and and sight proof. I don't believe anything anyone says ever and I I kinda dig it. because. You know you playing whether you believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see in. Kevin. Kevin's all over the place. He really does not believe anything. Really I. Liked that he was having conversation with Danny, modern yesterday might have been there before he was they were talking about. Like like Danny was talking about how it's not fair that day are complaining that they paired together because day said to her on day one like as my untouchable and they're always hang out they're tight tight, tight tight. That's another term tight. And and Kevin says I see that? But I try to I I I put my empathy hat on. And I can I can see where they're coming from. Right I can see I can see why they might be upset about it and he's trying to explain but I just love to this term empathy hat. If I put my empathy hat on. Speaking of the. Scene as a pair conversation that Danny had so. When it's like, yell at the teams and like screaming at her and be like you're not understanding like, okay. We get it people come in and there are certain people that are paired up that are grouped up that you know are just seen as a pair. Even if. As game players, they don't see themselves as a pair if keister engine now came into the game and decided. Based on this cast, it's not on our best interest to work together regardless of that they are still going to be seen as case up. With Day, in Bay coming into the House as the sole two black girls. WHO have. A prior relationship via twitter via Swaggie via the community or whatever they are seen. As a pair. From the House, during the game. People have become pairs. Throughout the game but cody and Memphis have become. A pair nick and Danny have become a pair. It's not the point of them being pairs. It's the point that Christmas decided to target this specific pair for to be honest with you I've been watching the feeds and I don't know why they're on the block. You know what I'm saying like I might point is it's not about. WHO's on the block? It's about why there on the block? Yes. Well, I can tell you the reason they're on the block is a couple tries a couple of guys. Spending. which which really I mean that's the funny thing comes back to the real thing is stems back to. One Nicole and Danny having a conversation about day in Bay being an inseparable duo and Bailey being problematic and Waiting for her to blow up. That's what really comes down to and then. Couple tries couple of guys was the thing that set off those those trip wires, right So. And it's just it's annoying and it's frustrating and like in. That added onto these these comments will get to later about how you know Christmas says the only people that she will be afraid of winning hr wage our day which one stays, and then Kevin are David or the fact that when Cody Tyler and Memphis are outside in the backyard after the barbecue are talking about who they were put up. They only say heaven, David In Deir Bay which everyone stays and it just. Does somethin' ring a bell. What all those people have in common they don't. Look like you. and. It just is really bothering me because I I get it. Okay. Sometimes, they're just not good for your game and in the beginning of the game, he might put them up and get him out, etc, etc etc. But this has been a consistent thing over and over and over and over again from multiple houseguests, these microaggressions these like groupings of them altogether like it's I'm going to digress go ahead alright. Well Tyler, David have their conversation like I said I. David is upset with Tyler because he feels like David is feeling a little bit of responsibility because again David. Now thinks that what bay is saying Israel that tyler has been gunning for bay. This whole time and David is feeling some responsibility for that because he's been trying to get them to work together and so he feels like he kinda screwed bay over by vouching for Tyler. Tyler is gunning for Bay this whole time, which is actually what happened but it's what he thinks happened and now it's David things happened and so. You can tell that he is like not not pleased with Tyler. Tyler trying explain his side of the story which I already explained. And he says at the end of it that like now I'm stuck here till the end anyway because the jury so my head is going to be fully in the game and I can reset. And and so. So I think David is still I David still believes. Bay I think David. Tyler is lying to him and that that he was gunning for Bay the whole time. That's my read on David. David is then going to make. The reason I have that remake clear that he doesn't trust tyler at all he's like. Tyler I know you have a power? Tell me tell me about it. Like I wish man I wish I wish I wish I. Had power. That'd be that'd be great. and. Dave is I. Don't don't don't let me. I I have power. House like I. Really I really don't I. Really. It's like, why am I here? Tyler. To to do well to prove yourself. So now I'm here. because. I knew what was going on my season. I know what's going on right now I I know these things Allah. I can. I can read them. Now, you have a power. Please just. Just don't use it against me. If. Anything used to help me. Okay. I'll use my imaginary power. Tell them. What do you mean? We can use it against you. What are you talking about doing? We're working together I. Swear to you I have listen David. I swear on Lovie. Do. Not have a power. And and Davis like. That? That's not fair. Don't do that. That's a ball. His name Vein Sir. That is that is serious. That is heavy. Yeah that was a very comical conversations what like because the more that David accused Tyler having the power the more tyler was like eating into it to like so that if he did have a power is whole, would have been does so deep and the whole time David Thorne with the power. So. It was it was very entertaining to watch. And this is just goes to show how A. Comedic. Player David is If he's nothing, he's feats. Yeah. Sees good be. Loved this this idea that? Like swearing on. Like the ultimate. The old the that today you don't you lie on. Lovie. David says that. He's talking about targets. David. Wants to strike at the trio that's running the house cody Danny Nicole. Tyler agrees says that's a great idea. David Asks Tyler who would you put on the block if you want tyler says Danny and Nicole Because Hispanic? Especially after everything that has happened, they're going to be gone for me. I'm GONNA for them. A lot of people like like, oh, he's lying I don't think he's lying personally this Danny has been his target for a while now. I don't know why he would. And he talked with Enzo about targeting. Nicole to I mean, these were his mom's for this week if he had one. So I've very very fully believe that this is what tyler will do if you if he wins like who else would he target like Ian and Kevin I guess that would be the sort of like. Backing down move I guess it's possible but I believe that he would go after Daniel. It's what makes sense for his game too. Yeah. I feel like. This would be if so regardless of who goes home. I want the other one to one h but if they don't then my next. Best option would be. Tyler or Kevin Because I. think he'd be a so capac psychopath with the Nice. He'd be a psychopath when it comes to the which I love but I think that. Like Tyler winning the next each would and putting up Danny. Co would really like for some people to play big brother and not big best friend. Yeah. All right. Let's let's keep moving through this day because we still got a lot to go around. Three o'clock. Bay Day Kevin have a conversation days upset tyler invoked the is. During their conversation and then then it didn't happen again I've seen some people saying he did not say the cause. But he did say that he knows they're here for a greater reason he's dead that. that. They're standing for something greater than him and that he wants to help them play that out So again, there's an implication there that I think you can say that you know technically he didn't say these exact words, but there's definitely an implication there in my opinion. I agree basis she does not think that was game. She. Thinks that she that he genuinely wanted to leave in that wasn't part of the game. Kevin says no I think came again. And days we'll know I mean tyler has been trying to leave the game for a while now right and Kevin Kevin doesn't believe that either think he thinks it's all game. He's been pretending to not be here. Again like for someone like Kevin who's got no relationship with Tyler Tyler is a doctor will like that is exactly what Dr will was doing and all stars. So I can sort of see why Kevin thanks this but. Anyway. David. Goes and talks with Enzo. They talk about lovie enhanced for a little while. David compliments Hannah's running of. Social. Talk about how they want to keep Bailey, in the game. So doesn't have much hope that it can happen, but they talk through some options. Day. Talks to tyler and she says what's going on tyler why didn't this happen? and. He says, Christmas. told me that she wasn't going to do it because it wasn't good for her game. and He lets her know that she has his vote to stay and she's like. What? He says, yeah. Bay told me that's what she wanted. And she's like Oh my God. And he says I'm looking at this like it's a reset. My head is GONNA be back in the game and I WanNa have your back day. Day brings to bay and Kevin and she says, okay. I had to hold myself back on this one because Tyler told me that he's voting you out Bailey and that now he can finally reset and play. And Bailey, took this to me. I knew it. He's been wanting me out this whole time, and now that I'm gone now that he's getting me out now he can actually play the. He can't play the game while I'm in the House here with him. This has all been one big ploy from Tyler. says. He's been trying to get me out and he's been trying to set me up He's scared that I'm going to flip the votes in the jury and you know why? Because I. I am because I did yes time. Two. Thousand dollars like I'm the reason that he lost the game. Yes. I cost him four hundred fifty thousand dollars in little miss. Angela had to sell her Range Rover. And she tells she tells Kevin Dave on Youtube better work overtime to make sure he doesn't win this game. Because you two are making it in the jury So That is where they stand with tyler at the moment. I. Had to do something for work. So I had to jump off the fees for the beginning of this conversation. And then I came back and tried to find the inconvenient for some reason I. Don't know the all axes less than, but I did catch the end of this and it seemed to me like this was the moment when they von realized that she was going to have. This is before the before last night when she realized that she was, she had the votes to stay because all week she's been kind of like on the fence of whether she had him or not. But I think this is when she realized that she she had the votes because the only book that she kind of really needed were tyler's and then maybe one of the boys. Cody or Memphis and I think she realized that now I have Tyler's vote. So I have tyler I probably have Danny have cabin. I can maybe Bailey tells David Vote for me I'll have him but if not, then I don't have David and I have ends Oh was she does a heavens but she thought she nfl so I think at this point she thought that she had the votes and you could see I don't want to say her demeanor changed throughout the rest of the day but she did. Stop. Her fighting went down a little her her her her dial for strategy and Gameplay went down a little bit. Yes. But you can tell that she also is now like extra upset about a four Bailey because again they are now under the full impression that not only has tyler been planning Bailey's eviction for weeks, and then everything he said to them was a setup and ally. But that also that maybe maybe in fact this. Thing was also a up and ally, and now he's talking about resetting now that Bailey's not in the game, which isn't what he was actually saying, but it was taken to mean that and and so Dave von is really feeling I think protective of Bailey in this situation because she feels like she's really been done wrong. And that is I think important to to know leading up to what happens later in the night before we get there, Cody Enzo and tyler talk in the trim. Triple threat. Meeting. Cody. Well all of this is happening. Cody still has a full clear view of the entire board. That he says that we need to continue to target the people not in our line. So I see Kevin is getting closer today I see Ian is getting pulled in by Nicole we don't want that. David is is drifting toward them as well. Those are the people we need to watch out for IAN. In. Particular. I want him gone because I don't want him to be able to you know like as the numbers dwindle I don't I don't need Nicole having an IAN in the game to help him to help her out. So really looking at at Ian and some of these other members of in the players in the House that aren't in his power structure. He says that. He says and I really feel like there's going to be four women left after this week I. Think they're going to try and team up if they haven't already. This cody essentially saying something as speculation but he actually. Danny told him about this but he's saying I think it's GonNa happen guys, and Tyler who has also been told about this by Christmas is like, yeah, I. Think you're right I think it's going to happen. So, it's two people who no real information, who are both speculating to each other about the real information. And Endo's just like I'm flipping the whole house Yo. I don't even care if I went. That's it. That's it. and. In Cody says, you can do what you want if you H and so I believe is still gunning for Danny and Nicole just like tyler. And Cody is trying to get them off of it and he's still has not been able to. So we're still in that spot. Yes. So this is the thing about. Cody eight right now is that I don't understand. Why he's not letting them. I can understand if maybe if they won the power and they were serious about. Like they they told him I'm going to put up any Nicole that's one thing but they haven't won the the power yet. So wh, why are you showing them that you don't want Danny and a cola Nicole specifically like you like you don't play those cards too early and I feel like he's sitting such a good position that if he does that one too many times or he doesn't in front of the wrong person, he's GonNa Screw himself, and all of his whole game is just gonNa fall over like. I understand you know it's better to be safe than sorry and rather to try to squash it now. But the with how fast this game changes. Something might change by time. They do win the power to want to put them up. You know what? I'm saying I mean I think cody is doing the right thing. I think you should be trying to squash this people often wait too long. And then there's nothing they can do about it. He's trying to squash it before it becomes even more obvious that he's trying to block it right because if enzo wins in h wage next week and he says cody, I want it to be Danny Nicole. Then cody is GonNa like cody has to be like. What about something different. It looks even worse than than him. Because what he's trying to do is he's trying to set the game plan for them and say, this is what makes the most sense for us. It's targeting these other people. This is why it makes sense. If we do this, we're in a good spot and he's able to bring it up without it being as obvious. The problem is that. Tyler pushed him into this corner last week and Endo already sees it and so he's doing he's doing his best I think but his best isn't enough to convince Enzo and Tyler, and so they end zone particular like. He can say anything he wants rhyme cutting his pieces away because I've just like he doesn't want Ian to support Nicole I don't want Nicole and Danny to support cody. Yeah Yeah I definitely. I could definitely see like that I just. I'm just afraid that. The place where he's positioned himself. That If any of his cards fall out of his hand he's done because he's because no-one. It, you can ask all of them. Who they were put up next week and them are GONNA put cody up at least not as an initial NAM. Maybe as a back door, will I think David would be on I think Kevin would maybe but they would there would probably try back to our. Yeah. Yeah. So I feel like he he just I'm just afraid that if he like, let's the wrong thing slip at the wrong time. That he could scrim so. I'm still not a cody Fan Mike I wasn't less. Whatever All, right well, Memphis in tyler have a brief conversation. MEMPHIS is saying that he's going after David because David is going after him. Tyler. Can Be good in in moments he's trying to he's trying to very subtly push this away from David he brings up Ian and Kevin. Tyler is not good enough to budge Memphis who is a stone? MEMPHIS is is set on David and he is not biting any of Tyler's Bait here. So Memphis is gunning for David, even though David is no longer going from Memphis Memphis doesn't know that. Christmas. Day have conversation. Days asking Christmas. Why didn't you make the move on Tyler Christmas says, it was not good for my game and it's not my responsibility to take out day says I don't understand because it was like a perfect gift being given to you and Christmas says, no, it wasn't. It was a gift being given bay. It was a burden being given to me being placed in my lap. It's not my responsibility to take out tyler for Bailey and it's not it's not four Bailey. Tyler he's the one that asked and she's like, okay, fine. Four Tyler. Okay I don't care what he wants. If he wants to leave, he can leave. It's not my responsibility it's I shouldn't have to make it happen on my age. And David says. I don't like why wouldn't you want to take this opportunity to work with us in Christmas I I couldn't trust at bay wouldn't continue to be upset with me afterward. Is, like, what do you mean why she like she's been upset with me all week. Days well, yeah. Because you put her on the ball. Well. Yes. Exactly and put it on the park. I can't take the risk that she's not going to come after me if she stays. You're the one that told me that that you were hoping to hold Iraq the you were. You told me that she was upset with me and that you were trying to calm her down. Days of she has a right to be upset you portrayed her. And Chris like. That that's that's fair. Her feelings valid. But it was just game it was just game. Because Christmas tried to to Hug Bailey, it'll be like, hey, it's been awkward and Belarus. On. Good not now. Later not now so Christmas is very aware that like she's like I mean her reaction after the veto ceremony confirms to me that she would not have wanted to work with me after after even if I had done it and. She's just upset. She has a right to be upset because she does have a right to be upset. That's her truth. But. But for me, it was just game day says you told her. You exposed personal information. She told you personal information in the game. That you used against her and exposed and Christmas has no, no, no, no, no. No it was game information. She told me that you were her untouchable game information. She shouldn't have told me that. In days tricked her into revealing that information and Christmas has no I didn't trick her into doing anything. She approached me I didn't ask for any of this. She was asking me who my untouchable was I didn't ask for it. And says, no, you took her personal information and you exposed it and she says, no, we had lots of personal conversations but I never exposed any of those personal conversations because that's personal. What she told me was game related that you were her untouchable in the game and that's what I exposed because it's game and she doesn't understand how to separate personal in game and day says, no, it was personal game information and Christmas says. There's no such thing as personal game information. What does that even mean and day says it was personal game information and Christmas says it was game information. There's no such thing as personal game information day since a personal game information, there's no such thing as gave information, I gave it. What are you talking about? Vegas Circle back and. Forth. and. There's no state. Yes, there is. There's no such thing. Yes, there is they. Gave Exit. Direction. Oh. Yes. We knew that something was gonNA happen tonight the way that they van and Christmas both were like it's funny because they both are in the love from earlier in the day talking about bb please bring us the alcohol. Whatever you want it could be the cheapest in the world just give alcohol. We need our call to get away from this, and then they get the alcohol in this. Happy. Yes. So this this blows up and A group great shots from this. Visually. Bay walks into the kitchen and she starts hearing. Personal Game Information. And she literally like goes. In. So. Hurry. Action is hilarious. I had to go back. I watched this argument like three times from three different angles. And I kept going back and like cooking different cameras and it was great to see just the progression of this. It was super super super intense palm. But the thing about it is. I don't know if I'm in the popular opinion here or if I'm in the minority, but I do agree that there is a difference with tween game. Information. Personal Information and personal game from. I. Do I feel like they explained it the best way? She could? No. But I do feel like there's a difference and her example was a good example if we have her terron you and I are in the Big Brother House we have you know a personal you know relationship and I talked to you about my roommates and my family. That's personal. Right if I win the power of veto and I ask your opinion, we're not necessarily live just ask your opinion. What do you think I should do? That's gay but when we are aligned or we have a close connection. We sleep in the bed next to each other. We talk every day we discuss what's going on in the House we've built a personal. Game Situation. So when I come ask until you whom I number one is, who might untouchable is even though I should tell you that you're my untouchable because that's how you play. Big. Brother? I tell you who my untouchable is. I expect that to stay between us because we have a personal relationship and I gave you some game information personal game. For me. I I'm just like I'm being brought back to to the prisoner like. We want. Information. I'm not a number on a man. All right But I'm actually like. I think the root of this issue here is that. Is that Bailey had a personal relationship with Christmas that she thought transferred to a game relationship with Christmas Christmas had a personal relationship with Bailey that she felt did not translate to a game relationship because of Bailey's personal relationship with Christmas she told her Game Information Christmas felt like Oh. That was a mistake. We have a personal relationship but not a game relationship, and so you shouldn't be telling me game information and now I'm GonNa, use it against you and Bailey felt like, well, you learn me in with a personal relationship so that I told you game information and that's personal game information. and. And then you use that to betray me. So. Like the like in terms of the actual arguments being made I think they both have valid points but. At for as much as Christmas is saying, I. Understand. Except Bailey's feelings she's doing. So in a in a condescending way in a way of like she yes, she can have her feelings but she's wrong. She can feel betrayed, but I did not betray her. and. That's that's not really. It's not really a solid point to stand on. If, somebody feels betrayed by you. Then, then they feel betrayed by you and you can say that I didn't mean to betray you. But you know like that's that is that is what it is. And again, I think there's valid points on both sides but. The the fundamental here is that Devan is saying she feels betrayed by you and Christmas is saying I didn't betray her. Yes you Kinda. Yeah Christmas is getting very heated about this. She's she's getting very loud and and and she is. Saying personal gave. Information. and and so Dave von walks away. Because she doesn't want to. She doesn't want this she didn't want to do this. And Bailey who I as I mentioned noticed. Walks in and she starts talking to Christmas like what is going on here and Christmas is like, did I tell you personal? smooz any personal information like Whoa, like, Hey, I was not a part of that conversation. You don't need to be with me and she's like Christmas. I I bring myself down going to bring I. Just give me a second. I just got to bring us down. But did I tell you personal information like she is not? She's not she doesn't bring it down and that's where. The issues come in because. If. The role was swapped and Dave van and Christmas where in that situation and Christmas comes out of and Bailey is the one that put them up and Christmas comes out of the bathroom. Or out of the DR and walks into the bathroom to have this conversation. And and Bailey sitting on the couch and Christmas. Telling her didn't come out you crazy. I didn't come out loud like you don't have to be with me and Bailey is still going ask no crazy than Bailey looks like a psychopath. Because just because of what Bailey looks like because of the color skin and how she seen as a human being playing the big brother game and that is where I was super I got superman and super upset because like. People want to gloss over it. But if you follow me on twitter, you know I will not like there are some things that happened in these social strategic games when it comes to casting when it comes to people grouping together gang up on each other and. Intriguing people certainly are expecting people to act a certain way like people like she feels like she has she can't do certain things that other people can do and the fact that after the fight people coming up to Divine Bailey and saying you handled yourself. So well, like like you did a good job you didn't give you didn't go off crazy like I'm very proud of you like you don't go say that's a to white girls after they argue like you because you just don't because you, you're not expecting them to argue so they just had a fight. We're GONNA come come and calm down girl you're fine. You know what I'm saying and it's just it's just frustrating that that's a struggle that people of color have to go through when they're playing these games. Yes. So. So Bailey and. And Christmas are Christmas is I as I was saying was. Very escalated. And Christmas is trying to explain that the bay is not separating game from personal. Um and and again, it's like I think this is where Christmas really goes wrong in terms of her argument in the sense that like okay. Christmas separates game from personal but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to that doesn't mean that that's the correct thing to do. So, you aren't in the right to say, Oh, you're not separating game from personal and that is the standard. And Christmas is trying to explain this and Bailey says, well, that's not true I don't Sep.. Not Separate game from personal, but Christmas was not finished. And she says, hold on, let me finish and D don't don't play the victim here you used me. And Christmas as I didn't use you. You told me. Information. And and Christmas walks away Bailey follows. Christmas. Turns around puts her hands and Bailey's face. Does some clapping does some pointing? Bailey says. that. Christmas says don't you make me out to look like that? And and that's Essentially where we where we leave off, Christmas goes off to the table Bailey goes outside with Dave von they start talking about the situation Devan is very upset that escalated to that that she she does this is not what she wanted. That she she feels like she's been set up. That the they all they got what they wanted like. I exploded and now it's GonNa, look a certain way. And Cody, and Tyler, and Enzo, or in the backyard playing pool. And they're like it did it will not look that way everyone saw. Every, people will be able to see what just happened that Christmas was very obviously in the wrong here. and. While this is happening, Christmas is complaining to to Kevin who was stuck in the kitchen with her. Very. Clearly, not on Christmases side but. He's the only one that she can get to talk to her because he's stuck there with her, and so she's venting to him and he's like. and. It's like this guy. And you can see Tyler. Gets allowed with Kevin because she's still been she's being loud about day and Kevin is like like just trying to like keep her. From, blowing up on him. and. So Tyler peeks his head in because he here's Christmas being loud and then he's like. I don't want anything to do Christmas. And so. So and this this is all this is all blowing up Christmas is still. Young to Kevin the world. And endanger or trying to comfort each other David talks to bay. They walk by Christmas and there's another thing that happens and the. Day goes to the dining room and Bailey is talking about how this isn't fair. and. Cody ends up going by and talking to Danny and Nicole and letting them know what happened and he's and he's like. Like how talking about how out of line Christmases and how unfair the situation is today? And and. So I mean what we see luckily I think is that basically the entire house is Blake. This is this is on Christmas. The entire house supports day in Bay in this that that they were not in the wrong that it is not fair for them to be in a situation where Christmas is trying to. Make. It seem like she's the victim. Christmas is Christmas saying things like like, oh, how dare they make it seem like I'm the one doing this Like like she feels victimized feels like she's being made out to be something that she's not because they're trying to make it out like she is trying to rile them up on purpose and being and being racist and being a bully, and so she's very upset about that and and basically the entire house agrees with a in Bay in the situation and there's a lot of talk of like. This is A. Funny enough. There's been a lot of talk especially from Danny About Day in. Bay blowing up right and Christmas. Cody has always been a person that said. I feel like Christmas is GonNa blow up on someone And Cody. Cody in this moment is like I knew it this Christmas, this Christmas I expected this is the Christmas that that was waiting for. The letting you talk for a little while also that I know we gotta we we're like an hour and a half ends. This guy to. Rest. My nerves. I want to make it very, very clear. that. My stance on this whole situation is not about von and billy being black. My stance is that I'm over it. This is like the five hundred season in a row where this kind of thing has happened and it's these people no one in that I do not in my hardly anyone in that house is racist or or bias or anything like that. Do I feel like sometimes because of how you look, you don't realise your underlying bias against other people yes. I'm not saying that Dan bear on the because the black I'm saying that they are bay may have been put on the block. Because they are pair that makes them a target that looks different than the other pairs that are in the house that aren't like the person that is making the H. Decision. You're not with my group my group was made and we all look alike think like we all feel like you don't fit into that mold. So I'm GONNA target you. I'm going to say that I'm going to leave it at that now. I didn't joy after the barbecue. and. So cody and I think Memphis were outside and they were having a conversation about. What happens next like okay once. Once. This. Week is over like what is the next step we take and? I like something ends did here, which is where he he let. CODY IN MEMPHIS. Know that I have you guys back. I'm not coming after you but. I'm putting my foot in this house his ass, if I went Hoa Oh. And, it just it really showed cody and Memphis that okay. He's not coming after us and we can use him to go after the other side and I think a lot of people in this house are questionable about endo the same way questionable about Kevin about what will he do where we go and I think slowly. But surely endo a starting to let people know what he's GonNa do and he's always telling him what's going to be best for their game for instance, he told. Devan when he was talking turned bathroom that he would go after cody in Memphis and Danny A. That's probably GONNA be best for nothing to quote part without be best record for Divan when he was talking with Kevin in the love room, he mentioned he wanted to go out the alliance the Christmases of the world the code is. Telling people what they need to hear in order to make sure that if he doesn't win this next sexual age that he AC- which I thought was really admirable. Yes. Well. Speaking of Enzo. Day and Kevin. Conversation, late into the night where they were talking about Enzo and how they feel like he is the person that they can trust to work with. Moving forward so they want to approach Enzo about trying to work with him and to make make something with him. So. And so is the person that that the outsiders feel like they can work with the most which? Is unfortunately again, not the greatest read now Enzo is I think actually willing to take a shot at a Danny and Nicole which is good for them. But what they don't realize is that he's actually one of the most insulated if not the most insulated person and. So it's still I, think beneficial for them to link up with him but but it really just gives more cards to the person already holding a lot of cards. Yeah. And Dole has positioned himself to where he won't need like half to fight for a position of power for another couple of weeks. So. That's basically what we've got from yesterday. What we're looking at here still is that Bailey is the target Bailey will likely be going home at the end of the week, and we will be moving forward into next week with all kinds of new dynamics. In the House with some different targets running around. So. That's that's where we got anything else that you wanted to bring up. No I think we pretty much covered everything. We got really deep. into. What I was afraid. I was going to get really deep into and Yeah I just like I said I just feel like there's dynamics. So this game that people don't think about like the only think about the game and there's An it's a social strategic game, not just a strategic eight. And there's social things that take place regarding. Minorities and disabilities and things like that. So. Yeah. That's all I. think that it was an interesting day I think that I think that set a precedent or It really kind of I kind of feel bad for the houseguests though because like they have to live with this beef in the air for forty eight hours before the beano I mean before addiction. So The kind of sucks for them but I do feel like between now and Thursday I don't think much is going to change in regards to the vote Enzo and David put in whatever work that they could to try to get it to flip and I don't think it worked and so I do agree like Bailey is probably gonna be going home. But. She's going to be able to relax and be with her man has literally been up twitter's ass waiting for her to come home. So. She'll be home and Dave our still be there and I think that. diviners. Has realized she's a mistake, and so she's going to hopefully us this next forty eight hours to really place herself in a position to where she doesn't end right back up on the block on Friday. All right. That's what we have for you today it was a long day. It was a big day. But WE are heading into today here. With, everything that is going to happen from from yesterday. So. We're going to be back live tonight at nine. PM Eastern for the Stock Watch roundtable, we're in a rate these players. Expect a big crash in the market tonight. That should be pretty interesting. If you are interested in raiding the players I'm going to tweet a survey after this podcast, Alpine it to the top of my twitter Armstrong Taryn you can go rate the players a from one to ten based on how they're doing in the game and. There's some other extra questions as well. If you're interested bonus questions, fill that out tune in tonight at nine PM Eastern, and we'll talk about it. All of course, be back tomorrow morning at eleven eastern to you and everything happens today on the twenty two live feeds and you can find me on twitch twitch dot TV slash Karen Armstrong. If you WANNA chat with me there when I go live. Jt, where can people find you? You can find me on twitter and Instagram at jt does in why see? Just talking about. Big Brother and some some trashy reality TV. And subscription boxes and that's pretty much. That's all of it. Here it is. Thank. You guys so much for joining us today. We'll see, next time. Later guys.

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Barstool Rundown - March 19, 2020

Barstool Rundown

24:53 min | 1 year ago

Barstool Rundown - March 19, 2020

"I ready rundown. It is March. Eighteenth is brought to you by movement watches. And we're GONNA do this. Read in the middle of Shell fell. How you like so Evan you went to go get your Khurana task you. I think you're just sick. Yeah it was pretty interesting did seem from what you this is so classic you to be like. Kevin. You're sick. I have corona. I have exactly this is classic you. I'M NOT GONNA go get tested. I'M NOT GONNA make a scene isolate myself. It'll come and go. I know I have body aches like you read about and I don't get body aches when I get sick in Tom. Hanks said he never got a few like. I don't fever. I don't have deep breathing. My lungs are good but I'm sore in. I'm like headache key and super tired. I definitely have. I just don't care zero here deserve so Kevin WanNa talk about your experience. Even though you're sick it was good. I mean it's it's crazy that we're still so far behind on testing and it's I guess it's crazy that it takes three to five days but once once you're there it was like a smooths possible. It took a while there was a long wait. I was supposed to go in at seven and I had to sit there till nine but when you have nothing to do. I mean now at seven. Am there's nothing fucking do? So I didn't mind the wait but once it got going it was like Bang Bang. Bang jammed up your nose. Keep it moving so it was all like very peaceful very calm. It's kind of. It is like a scary scene like it does look like from a movie. Twenty eight days later is Alana. Has Matt suits a lot of military and everything's like your windows off. Don't talk on touch you know. And they're definitely barking out orders that too but it's all like super smooth. It's just crazy that it's still it's still takes as long as does get results and they also did say one cop lake what got on the megaphone. Like if you don't have a a point man and you WanNa stay on the line like you you can. You can try so I don't know if you could go up. Give it a whirl. You might be wasting your time. But he did say which. So do you guys remember? I believe on the rundown I forget. Who's on it I? I kind of told the story how I went to like. Look at this club thing and they went to shake my hand and they gave me the elbows in as I. O U B elbows. That's lame. I made them shake my hand. When was this week like two weeks ago? Okay well the person making fun of actually has you probably want you should have done the update you go. I. I didn't have it but it like you do have it. He got it from him. Gave it to me. Brian probably waiting to have it or my body so she got along. Well that's like I. I'm fighting on by the way. No offense but it is kind of a look at me Kevin Life. Who Cares if you have it? What are you GONNA do? Nobody can go to my fucking kids. Dave your kids don't kids don't I? Saw His don't how deep I tweeted. I. I was watching the news last night and I tweeted. All these idiots. I feel like sarcasm has died with everyone. Who's WHO's quarantined. I tweeted Oh finally some good news and the headline was kids are affected as well and yet it they symptoms. Yes they do guts. You're in you don't know what you're telling me. Everything about corona virus so far. I know everything. I've been reading a lot longer than you guys. I who declare. They're reading I I did. Yeah and you didn't read the right things you read fucking like Cunanan Clay Travis. His twitter account. I learned it all. Everyone's yelling nobody can hear each other to Corm Dan. The smartest doctor in the world Yup what he say. Everything that you said is wrong. You should stop reading Clay Travis. Twitter to try to get the facts about this. He literally said that. I doubt that so you were not immediately infective. If you happen to get infected at this moment but within a few days you will listen. Everyone can catch it but like the the only people who it becomes a really stainless old people in in impaired immune system. Those are the facts. It's not anymore it's not anymore. There's like twenty percent of people from twenty to forty in the hospital. Those are soft people who are rushing hospital taking chairs away from the old way. I've seen like I WANNA grocery store. There was an old person. They're like tonight. Why why are you going outside if you have it? You idiot boy. I didn't know I had it then. Dan when you when you know you had it Dave. I felt like I want Tom. Hanks said he didn't have a fever and he has any aches. That's what I have but also the everybody's GonNa Catch. It is not a big deal. Unless you're old and your arm right guys is the problem is people like Kevin who are going to rush if you like. Oh I have it. Let me take somebody else's hospital bed. Who needs it of an Old David? Go out people. Will you run to the fucking grocery store up to everybody and everything? I'm very careful I've disinfected. I'm not the guy just wants to say a habit to say I'm having I'm not I'm just telling you to. I probably have it and you've been spreading it to everyone though. I haven't whoever spread it to the grocery store. You the rundown from outside yesterday Serandon. Maybe I'll just keep picking new locations this guys. Let's if this guy runs by me though I'm GonNa get him behind on the stand up and watch how slow this guy's stayed in the office until I twenty five minutes ago you Tuesday. I was outside on the air. Anybody Idiot Those fucking idiots on spring break. I'm not getting near anybody. I'm in my house. Isolated what am I knocking e I have to eat to eat but the facts are you can catch it at any age. It's only really a threat if you're older. Immunity appear you guys are saying that's untrue changing very much so I don't know where are you coming up with? Those facts are changing. Everybody's reading all sorts of I mean I. I don't know what's true. What's not but what what was true two weeks ago that. Here's my thing is what I've been doing. Is I've been reading a lot of comments in underneath articles that scientists right and found out that bananas are good for you. Zinc is good for you and possibly malaria drugs. Yeah Dan comes up to me like hey zinc's good for you. Tell me something. I don't I have yet by me as many zinc things a day as he does coffees. I know zinc's good writers spy. I suppose still come into your house. Though at the office before anyone even knew Koran thing I was getting Zych Campbell pumping those like fucking sweet cartons in spiders twenty four years old probably will have no symptoms. He just run around giving everyone dave. You didn't you pretend like you know I broke the news to you. Just now that. The malaria drugs going to save us all well. U. Penn went up yet is kept Kevin. He was like the stock market bounced back. I was like yeah probably the malaria drugs. Like what are you talking about dude? I'm back to I'm on the stock market reading the ticker I haven't seen shit. I went everywhere. No let's talk about this malaria drug. Except you did. The deed of the president talked about it. Dan I ha- trust me. Listen where's my. I'm on my phone. I had to buy their the one doing the malaria drug put in a cell side by order. So I know about the malaria drug. But trust me that's not how this thing in Kevin Yola thick with these costs. I mean Geez. All right that goes at stolen valor. Kevin Dave has it. I heard you you I have. I'm just you're not gonNA hear me say it till I. I'm not that guy. We'll get test of it for what? So what am I gonNA do differently? Leaking understand the numbers and everything and they can look at you and be like. Hey you idiot. Where have you been? I was so fucking. Use Me for signs. Could be patient thirty one year in American for all enough yeah? You don't even know what that is. Yeah the point. Is that if you had been black living your life like a regular person up until today so everyone that you've come in contact with might have. Yeah maybe you're right so we gotta find if you have it because you are. This is the I'm so happy Kevin that we've reached this point in life. The boy who cried noodle is finally coming to roost like the chickens come to roost. Or whatever the fuck that saying is you've been complaining about being sick your entire life and now that there's a pandemic where like fuck you don't believe you but my point even if I had it I spread it without knowing is too late. You guys are going to have a you'll get just. Don't go near Grandma. I hated my parents. I think Dave is not getting the test Kevin because he probably doesn't have it and he doesn't want it to be proven wrong that he's just sick. You wants all you want all the shine corona shine even insect right. So they're still talking. I you know who I spoke with today. My my my friend because Billy Bush at me on like eat talk about teenagers going to the beaches and we got the video of the kid. Be Quite Catch Corona Corona by Corona Corona at the end of the day. I'm not going to let it. Stop me from partying. I've been waiting. We've been waiting for Miami spring break for a while about two months. You've had this trip planned to three months. We're having a good time. Whatever happens happens messing with my spring break. What is there to do here other than go to the bars or the beach. Mexico's closing all of it. It's really mess. And I think they're blowing away out of proportion. We need a refund. Mars Saint Patrick's day girl being like I self medicate so it can't get to me. I have a compromised immune system. But I'm still only twenty one but I'm not even worried because I just take supplements and like I self medicate so it's fine. I stand by what obviously things are changing. You know I the only thing I'll do. I'm not going to defend all these idiots but teenagers young like this is this would always be the case. I won't stand on a pedestal. Be Like if I was on college my senior spring break and all my friends are like fuck it. Were going like it. You have to shut it down. You can't give them a choice. And by the way that's not United States. Same thing happened in Italy. Same thing happened in Spain. If you let twenty one year olds go party and Faulk and be together. That's what they do and it's hard when it doesn't really. There's no way to connect like. Hey because you went out you gave it a this person. This person well hung out with a grandmother and you basically killed that old lady like that. You can't make that connection someone's head. It's hard to be accountable so these people are idiots but it's not surprising in my mind. Agreed I agree? It's the kids you'd hope that they would realize it but there will always be if you think back when you're twenty one years old you have half a brain. You think you're invincible. You think nothing affects you so that portion of like society. It's going to be hard to get them to stay inside. I I mean I'm with you guys on it but I don't know I feel like even I think by now. I think I would be questioning going. Well it's definitely getting better. Yes yes but think about a Kevin. This way. It's I agree with you. The vast majority of like kids right now and when I say kids I mean like eighteen to twenty five or whatever they are following the rules like I guess it's probably ninety five percent of them. There's probably five percent of people who are twenty one years old. Who spent a thousand to two thousand dollars on spring break? And they're like I'm going and I'm going to get shit faced because I can't and their parents are probably like forty five years old and like none of this matters to me I'm going I'm going to get fucked up. We're here. I decided in twenty one this year. So I'M GONNA Party Day Saint Patrick's Day word is trying to roll with. The word is living for the moment. I agree with that I and it is that larger. It's that Combo with the fact they really don't in. This is where we just very. They aren't actually endanger. Like if they catch it they catch it. And it's hard to process six steps down the road The bruins fan locks in the Marty Walsh. His press conference for Boston For the most up-to-date Nigger up-to-date accurate information whereas Europe plastic dot Gov Slash Coronas. Anyone in the city can call three Rwandan and get a live person on phone. Those phone lines are up and running twenty four hours a day. We're asking people if you lay to get notified about how we ought there. But just hilarious such masol with the Bruins like looking at. Mardi walls Just a nice a laugh. During this corona virus scare does even mullet. He looked like. You're like a version Dana. That's the funniest part about this. Like we just talked about those kids doing it and like we have our own so we really should. I haven't talked to him since he tried to tear down Nashville He said he texted me and he was like he genuinely feels really bad so he was like you know. I feel really bad. Like what should I do just low and people? Will you know it'll pass last one? This went viral. This superwoman Superman Gal. Gadot she made the whereas all the people video northern now. Easy future though this car. I don't know how totally correlated with corona but it is a stay strong CORONA MESSAGE IN GALE. Guffaw is so pretty so pretty. Just spit on the screen and I know I can see your spreading it every time your lives were falling apart. The other morning you're spreading everywhere day. Spending on people grew sits gusty yours discussed the JV E. Combined you're disgusting. See My mug on the back of it. Says SPREADING CORONA VIRUS TAKES? Dave Dave did you. Did you see this video? Were you like this? I just was like this is going viral and then okay and then I enact Kouassi put in there so we should make which we did remake it and I think is funny. Imagine no heaven. Imagine all low people and I. It is funny we did. I cringed at this video though but I couldn't make it through it. D- I cringe. Sword currents people I didn't ozone people were and it I that I thought it was a little little tone. Death gale gale. God that whatever she does I do not cringe her if it was someone else. I don't what who's the dude like? I don't who the kid the young kid who was trying to really hit his knows that Timothy Charlemagne or whatever his name that taught it looked like him. But I don't think it's blonde lady. Who is the Blonde Lady? Who thought she was like fucking at Madison Square Garden? That's what I'm saying. Imagine on their be. Those people are wannabes. They like actually think they were saving the world with like a perfect pitch. Imagine video on twitter. I mean there were I mean will Farrell is hereby. I mean there are some pretty big stars in there. No need to agree Darren Hunger. Yeah Yeah there were. I got about twenty five more minutes. Quick Update daybyday trader is now up one hundred grand you down yesterday but the market rebounded in pen you just keep buying ten and eventually I think it. I knew it was going to zero tomorrow though. Good trading by me to trading by you did you. The ad read No I will right now. Call Dan They really what Kennedy is still here. Yeah Oh my my screen just went just to dave MVP empty. Now's time to move onto our all time. Favorite underdogs success story Movement Watch movement watches founded on the stylish and break the bank. 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What was I? Don't know I move for the I I don't know I can't get off my screen now. I two other things. I think we're in the post show or whatever We're never going to be. It's crazy did. I'm having a meltdown. This morning was tough Dave. I don't know if you felt it with March madness man this Thursday. It will sit tough. It's tough guys. Thought about like what's your prediction for when we're going all. I don't think I I think we're I don't even think we're close. I think we're in a long haul because because yeah what was what did you what. I think we're in it for the long haul stroke stroke fell run and I were talking about the fact that like remember that book give her. We might be the last generation that remembers sports and like fifth years from now. We're telling kids like yeah. This is what it used to be like. We used to gather in public. Can you believe it yeah say? Kfc in the back. Like that. Casey. I just I made a little home studio thing. Dan Right Kathy one is. That's I mean it's not as cool as having a poor. Are you never use but listen? I made by so you know what I did. Yesterday I made myself chocolate chip cookies. What yeah I'm busy. I'm just crash. I know what you know what I did. Because I'm getting a lot fatter now too. I bought a bought a weighted vest. I'm just GONNA start walking around in eighty pounds. Maybe my backup so bad back. Just buying random shit on Amazon. Just go on Amazon. I'm like by this. I'M GONNA buy that eighty pound tactical vest I I bought a bunch of frozen pizzas because you frozen pizza abuse and they just switched up what they ordered and sent me whatever they want. I have like the grossest pizzas can discuss. The last thing we are talking about is is our man Michelangelo. What a preposterous email to say. He was ready would set the stage at three of us. It's like when when we read do it. I'm like just three fifteen work in. Dan worked for me working. Michelangelo's like yeah that works for me as well like duck like you don't get asked a love so art. I think we said our emails like almost simultaneously. 'cause I just responded I was like Oh that works for you. Do Michelangelo Eyesight Right. I gotTa God at twenty minutes before the market closes one. The movers and shakers happened. Oh yeah it can go any way you. Are you putting in money overnight? No I put in three million dollars and I'm at three point one right now. You put in money overnight. They can like all sometimes like today was a very good day on the market. So I'm sorry figuring out the ebbs and flows. I think tomorrow will be bad. And then you. It's going every other day. I'm talking about Blue Apron. Stock like what you've been all over it all under baseball and went like two in fourteen odd starting to get a beat on this thing. I'm sorry to be on this log. Mark you guys a laugh but like I'm now go down a fucking a dollar and then I'm going to jump in like madman. Imagine if you if you make one hundred million dollars high on the corona virus. I'm telling you right now. It's better than gambling. I just wish it like I almost wish the people that go Chinese markets and shit like that. I wish open at like eleven. Stayed Open till like eleven. You need to pack twelve years. Yeah Yeah PAC. Twelve stocks. Close all too early. Four o'clock stupid. That is stupid but it's aren't Iraq. I almost wanted is is better than gambling. I might get into it because I'm starting to lose my mind. I watched a fucking luminaires concert on on TV last night. He's never when you yelled at the luminaires together job. Yes I forgot about that. We're in that they were doing a photo shoot and I yelled at it was like before they were the luminaires. No they were the luminaires. We just recognize them. They were we. Were making like a video. So we're like hamming it up and they look like idiots on the side of the road in the window down dance scream at him. Get A job hippies. In the video came out and people desillusion. Nears you it is. That's good all right. I'm going to get into the market. I get it tomorrow or not. What rundown tomorrow are we back to regular schedule? We're not doing rundown what these today's third Friday. Okay Right Yeah Okay. All right bye bye.

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Episode 1009 - Bruce McCulloch

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

1:16:36 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 1009 - Bruce McCulloch

"Hey, folks, the presale for my newly announced tour dates is going on until ten pm tonight starting in August. I'll be going to Portland Oregon Dallas Austin, Houston, then couvert Seattle Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis, Philadelphia, Washington. Dc Boston, Nashville, Atlanta, and San Francisco just go to w t Tf pod dot com slash tour and click on the dates to go to the venue websites. Then when you're at the site use the password BUSTER to get the presale tickets all other tickets go on sale Friday, April twelfth except for the Kennedy Center in DC that's on sale. April nineteenth again, that's w Tf pod dot com slash tour presale password is BUSTER. All right. Let's do the show. All right. Let's do this. How are you? What the fuckers what the fuck buddies? What the fuck stirs? What's happening this WTN f-? Did you know what you tuned in for you? Do you want double check? What did I do? Right. I was I was playing with the knob lemon hotel rooms still I've been away so long now I'm in Dublin Ireland right now, I'm sitting in Dublin in a hotel room. And there's a pastry problem. The I can't even they're just over there. I explain to you minute. Anyways. Bruce McCulloch of the kids in the hall is on the show today. And he is I think there's five of them, right? So I've this'll be four out of the five hour missing McKinney BRUCE'S here was great to talk to him. He sounds uniquely like himself. There's no doubt who I am talking to. He's been on the on the on the road with his one man show tales of bravery and stupidity. And that's. He's turning that into a book, and he's also I guess the executive producer and director of the upcoming sketch comedy show called tall, boys. So on Sunday. What I did was today's Thursday haven't talked to you since Monday. But I didn't tell you about Sunday. So it's Sunday was a big day. It was the day before I did Birmingham England, which was a good show is an interesting show. So on Sunday, I went down to the Hayward gallery, and that's down by Southbank centre. Why did the show? This is in London. I was going to go see the Diane RBIs show. They have Diane RBIs exhibit of early photographs of Diana RBIs. Some I've seen most of them. I hadn't it was sort of before she found her style in a way, you could see it coming, but she was still using thirty five millimeter camera before she went with the I think it's two and a half two and a half square. Maybe also blood type stuff for one of the other bigger cameras. And she did a lot of those shots that you know, that are hers that our signature hers. But this before was more of a. Ouija beside Robert Frankish Inca area photography though, you could see it coming. But it was a little more Zulu little different still starting to kind of peel back the layers of people who are painfully authentic slightly disturbing. But but anyway, so I went to see that. But there was another show along with it that kind of blew my mind, and it was one of those moments where you realize just how isolated or insulated or or or just detached we are in America. Maybe not everybody. Maybe I'm just talking about me. Maybe I can't generalize and say, it's the whole country about the broader palette, the broader spectrum of other cultures other problems other issues that happened internationally that are similar to some of the issues we have different, and it was kind of blowing my mind this. I'll Jiri and a French Algierian artist. I believe his name is cater oughta there. A lot of his work several different rooms different things. There was a room full of pictures of Algierian transgender prostitutes in Paris or another room that dealt primarily with a kind of documentary short documentary footage about people talking about lost limbs both from war and from other reasons, and then there was another room that was like structural sculpture that was sort of like housing projects as stuff based on the grid of housing project. And there was another room that had large shelves with primitive in some modern African masks with books in some of these masks had disfigured faces on them. And then there were photographs of World War Two soldiers whose faces were disfigured, and then repaired he sort of obsessed with the idea of repair, and what repair and plies it's all very deep and very complicated and provocative, but it was got me into that space where I. Bought the book, and I'm reading about it. And it's all about the imposed colonialism in about the struggle of of self in public housing and projects due to ethnic groups were marginalized and expected to integrate it was it was a lot. There was a lot of different rooms a lot of different angles in my brain was all blown out with the RBIs photographs. So I pretty wide open. And then downstairs at the BFI, the British Film Institute, they were running, you know, new prints of clockwork orange. So I went and saw that so needless to say, I was I was blasted apart. And it pretty dark way. I don't think about post colonialism. I you know, it was bad. But that's not a conversation that we really have in the states or maybe it's not a conversation. I have it just made me realize in that moment that we sort of get even if you're open minded, it's amazing. How narrow minded you get in terms of what is sort of moving through your brain. And how you see the world in in this just sort of kind of supported and kind of kind of blew out and opened up my own weird. You know, floating sense of, you know, what do I how do I know what I know? What do I know that is real what is truth? You know, what is happening is it over it was a dark day, and then I had dinner with your ghost land tham Ohs who went. To my show. You might have remembered I interviewed him. He's a director Greek director lives in London. And he directed the favourite and some of those kind of provocative and troubling movies that I enjoyed the lobster killing the sacred deer. Alps dog tooth? Yeah. The yeah. He's obviously very bright and very smart guy with a very, you know, real vision a slightly dark vision. So it was a full on dark vision day. But mean yoga's just had a nice chat about love life, food creativity. Aided a nice place the app desserts. That's where it started. Now that I'm thinking about it. I'm I'm on a roll man with the food. There's pastries over there out. Oh, explain it to you in a minute. I think I'm trying to say that I'm having a pretty good time in filling my brain up, and I'm loaded up, and I'm blowing it out and integrating it into what I'm thinking about allowed on stage. And it's good. It's proactive eating well, but I'm hating myself for it. But that's the that's that is. The wire I walk. That's the thin ice of me. I'm out there. I'm out there without a net eating things that can just completely drop the bottom out of my entire sense of self. But right live a little record store day's this Saturday, folks, April thirteenth, which means you can finally get a copy of in the garage. Well, I've music from W T F with Marc Maron. If you're not sure whether your local record store is participating to record store day dot com. You can search on the site using your address make sure you find out when the stores open because a lot of exclusive record store day album sell out real quick like right away. 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I just wanted to write and ask you how you have learned to mellow out over the years, you are constantly mentioning that you were jealous and angry and early career. I personally can tell this in the tone of your voice during your podcast and stand up over the years. Do you meditate do yoga how have you found your personal inner peace? This is a constant battle for myself. And I'm looking for some guidance big fan Mei Mei there there is nothing going on inside of me that resembles inner peace. First of all second of all the jealousy and anger has been tempered. I still find it comes up in moments. It doesn't need to come up. But it does the anger thing is there. But it's getting better. A couple of things have happened. I found some success in my life, which kind of filled the certain voice. Loyd in that, you know, I worked my entire life to to achieve something. And I seem to have achieved a lot of the things I I wanted to achieve an image. And I am achieving them still. So that that helps a lot I used to do yoga. I don't I exercise a lot except right now because I'm on the road and I've chosen to eat instead of exercise. I don't meditate I've tried I find it irritating. But a lot of it has to do with just knowing what's real. And what isn't which is the big question? You know, what are you reacting to what you making? How you making yourself? Crazy is it real? Or is it something your brain is doing to you? Usually for me. It was something my brain is doing to me. And that I think is probably the same for a lot of people. The truth is is that if you look around in make little gratitude list, what is going. Well, what are you thankful for? You know, did you have a nice breakfast is how's your pets is your partner or a nice person are some of those things you can check those off and maybe find a little balance. But some kind of self acceptance, I think is necessary. It's a tall order, especially if your brain is projecting garbage all the time. But. Sometimes you can turn that off that those are the times that are enjoyable. I hope that helps thanks for writing in. I don't know. I don't know. There's pastries over there of staying at this hotel. All right. I'm in Dublin I'm excited to be here. I get here, and I walk into my room and there's a tray of four like fancy kind of like pastry art pastry. Little pieces of stuff cookies stuff with cream stuff with the already chocolate on top things that looked too pretty to eat. And it just sort of like what the fuck I can't just do this. There's four of them and I felt bad because I want insult the pastry. Chef I get really weird about throwing food away. When I really think about how much food gets thrown in the garbage. And I think will you can grow more stuff that grows, and I guess you can make more meat, but that's part of the problem. How many fish are there left? How can we throw this Fisher wet? It doesn't matter that sometimes where my brain goes pastries are a little different. But I did. Feel bad. But I was like went downstairs, and like you gotta get those Adami room because I can't do that right now and go too far into it. I didn't spin out in front of the woman at the front desk. I really I don't know what you're trying to do to me. I mean, come on fuck that they looked so good. I can't do it. Because then it'll just be a spiral of of darkness. It was a pretty little sweet spiral of darkness available to me. This goes back to to what may just wrote. Try not to do those things that will throw you in days into a spiral of darkness and then come back to my room, and there's not one tray of pastry. Will patriot cookie things there's two and they gave me a mistake one. There was a card to me thanks for being at the hotel. And then there was a card to Mr. Jackson, and it was an on it. They squirted in chocolate happy tenths day. That's not me. I don't even know if this is real again in another hotel am I in the shining. Have I been here ten times? Should I eat both those? Trays of pastries. There's eight of them just sitting over there. And if I don't get him the fuck out of my room gonna eat them all really fast, and then sit there in a sugar coma and wonder why about everything not gonna do it? Anyway, we're sponsored today by Lisa and Lisa knows how important rest is to a better life. Lisa is the foundation of a healthier happier. You that's because all these products have been thoughtfully designed to go beyond creating a comfortable bed and to transform your bedroom into a sanctuary. You want to spend time in Lisa's most advanced luxury hybrid mattress has made with premium foams and springs for enhanced pressure relief with edge to edge support. The superior is thoughtfully designed to give you the best of both worlds in home delivery and set up his vailable as well as financing, and we is more than mattresses. 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There's a around thing with some cream on it than a square thing with several layers in a couple of pretty candies on it. And then there's a brownie floating. What looks like a piece of peanut brittle with some other group on the top. And then there's just a little piece of chocolate. Now, knowing me if I leave them there long enough, I'll be like I'm just going to eat the little piece of chocolate and then there's a bowl of chocolate. What the fuck is with this chocolate. There's a piece of chocolate on the bed. Maybe I'm not cut out for this nice hotel shit. I'm having a good time dimension that can you hear it in my voice. Bruce McCulloch the fourth kid in the hall that I've talked to his one man show tales of bravery and stupidity. He towards with that. So so becoming a book, and he's also the executive producer director of the upcoming sketch comedy show called tall boys is me talking to Bruce McCulloch. Are you trying to intimidate me with your expensive guitars? No, I mean. Well, yeah. No not. Gibson? I got for free, right? Yeah. So like, I'm not I'm not trying to intimidate you people. Just give you Qatar is right. I work it. Yeah. I mean, I'm not a musician. So in order for me to get a free Qatar from Gibson. I've got a really jump through some who. Yeah. I had to do something, right? Yeah. See I still get caps. That's where I'm at caps. Yeah. Like a Tuque. As project hand or something on it. A water bottle. Yeah. Yeah. Water bottle. So we're Where'd you dry? D my close to you. I mean, are we I was in. Laurel canyon is that where you live. No, I actually live in Toronto. And I stayed late. Really come to this to come. See you. That's nice 'cause you're an influence her. It might still. Yeah. Many platforms, which is a funny word. I think I have I have one primary platform. It's podcasting. I I can't you know, about to I'm trying to get off the platforms. Right. Are you? I'm just on Twitter. I can't take it anymore. Yeah. Well, it's everyone went through a thing. I think when he was first elected where they are so sad. But I think people are funny again. Now why it's weird because that's what happened. I he was elected. We're not mentioning him the monster. When the monsoon though in the golden shows up. Yeah. Everyone was like it's over. But I kinda stuck to it. I stopped tweeting anything funny or clever. Right. Arguably ever? But I mean when when Trump took office, I was like I'm out and just never really went back. Yeah. Because then it just seemed like this. I don't know. Do you ever look at Twitter and just see a just a lot of needy people? People. We know even. Yeah. All of us needy children who had bad childhoods. It's true right there. We are. Yeah. Just every ten minutes. I go there. He is again. Yeah. Some to many. Yeah. And of course, I have friends who this is the good life. Really? Yeah. What do you mean? Like, oh, here's me in Paris. Are they do that a little bit of that? Is that Instagram more? I guess I'm not on Instagram, but they do it on Twitter. Yeah. So you've got some of those friends who are like how you doing? It's like shut up. I'm living. My best light at trader Joe's. They've tried to jobs in Toronto. They do not. I think I remembered that like once you get hooked to trader Joe's you go somewhere else. You know? How do you not have it? Yeah. Where's trader Joe's? Yeah. And then you realize like they're not that. Great. Yeah. Is it? I don't know. It's like you. And you're asking us like it's fat knol or something. We are. Hey, man. We're straight. Jim you want that consistency. You wanna be able to show them like it's just like ours. They have the same thing. Yeah. Yeah. I want the six dollar rose yet. So all right. So you live in Toronto. I just I've been in. I had been in LA for almost twenty years, and I just moved back. It's sounds like story yet. So very story. No, I always sort of promise myself family that I be backed by the time my daughter was in high school, which was this year. So she started high school this year. Yeah. I, you know, but don't you? Aren't you relieved that you have Candida? I I am. Yeah. And I think I feel sort of bad that I'm leaving leaving the shit show because there's so many sad people here, and it's not great time to show you were directing. Oh. Excellent out. I'm not that show. Now, the shit show true. But but you're sad a little bit. Well, no, I didn't. I don't want to have. I don't want people to think I've left because of Trump, right? I it was just time of the season as we like to know. I mean, I think if you would have left because Trump you sort of you're on the other side of the arc here. You would have got out two years ago and said fuck this. Yeah. But did you become a citizen here? How does that work? I have two passports in in my expensive lapel, well my jacket. What does it take because initially when when he took office, I was very panicked that might people then be unto Jews? We're going to be corralled up. And I was fine. Now, it's it's the darker skinned PPM. Well, that was my my girlfriend's argument. It was like, I don't think your first on the list. I know, but we're on we're, you know, you've got four down probably, but but that's insensitive, but I did call an immigration lawyer in in Canada did a little research, and it was her English was choppy and French and I didn't quite understand. It seemed like a big ordeal. Right. Was it a big ordeal? You just pay a guy you just gotta know guy pay guy really to to be a citizen here has a Canadian yet. But I'd had h ones or whatever it was through my many Harir. Yeah. Why I remember like I was I guess I was a comedy central. I mean, it was sort of after the kids in the hall kind of early ran its course. But we ran them constantly the the early comedy central right like late eighties. Yeah. But you didn't you didn't grow up in Toronto. I grew up in Calgary in a little it was backwards. Then you would be chased by a truck called a fag. If you were wearing bowling shoes or nurses, shoes as I was is that what you were nurses shoes. Scanners shoes in like three neck ties and a piece of rope. Pulling my pants up, you know, the the usual stuff, Mark. Yeah. Then you're sixteen sixteen in the eighties back. That's exactly it's very specific. Because I was looking through stuff about you. And we're you know, you're a couple years older than me. But it is that weird time of theirs that window of of how we all defined ourselves as individuals back. Then. Very specific yet sort of punk rock easy. New wavy without question, bowling shirts. Boeing shoes work closed yet. Not working. Yeah. Yeah. And especially me, I mean and Calgary like I luckily, I found about six friends who were into T Rex or whatever I was into. But that was all I cared about. Really the T. Rex was the thing. We'll just all of it. I know it went from it went from deep purple to. Oh, yeah. Although that well, that's the thing that I started to notice about like even the music comedy records you did. And some of the other stuff was that. We were the generation that kinda straddled that kind of early seventies rock and this other thing. Yeah. So we had it around us. It was so important. I remember I used when I stand up I'd come out till less for life. Right. And I think I was so cool. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I bomb the music is going to be fun. And then I do not like being brought out to music even now, right? I'm like that you why would you do that? It's just like it. Marc maron. Now, how is that never song that has anything to do with you? You know, some rap song. I don't even know the name of yet. But but when you're a kid though, because there was definitely a difference between like rock guys. And and the art guys, right? And and you you landed firmly in the art camp, or you I was all of that. And I was I was an angry young, man. I thought a lot. I drank a lot you're fighter. Oh, yeah. Fought. Really? I mostly would get beat up. But you'd go out and fight seed booze it up and go beat up who or the Cowboys would come get us. That's the thing. I don't I I didn't learn that 'til later in life about the Calgary. Cowboys man. They would get you. Yeah. And we'd go with a guy from Stelco steel he'd wouldn't even wash its face after a shift and say who do you want me to take and we point we'd point gourd into some direction, and he take out about three guys. And then one little guide come coming the fucking shit out of me. So that was just it you drink and you go find Cowboys to fight. Yeah. Well, no, they would find you. Because we were because we were wearing what they were wearing. But, but I don't know if a lot of people understand that Calgary has this culture because it's oil, right? Yeah. And they just sort of copy, Texas. How does it just recreate it? So well, it is it is sort of like that it is sort of like Dallas or one of those places where you know. And it's it's king the oil is king. Yeah. Yeah. Is it still? Yeah. But there's a great arts community there. Now that was sort of started around, you know, that we were there and some great theater and all kinds of stuff. So when you're okay. So you're growing up in Calgary you and your six friends, and he means to to. But a large one named Gord. Yeah. The missile. And are you doing like how many siblings you got? I have an older sister. And she alright. Yeah. She's okay. She's she's got a great spirit. She I always say, she's my younger sister, even though she's older. Because why I don't know as you talk funny and stuff like I don't know what she's the role model for many feminine characters. I do Kathy was one of our characters which is kind of my sister who is like bad things are always happening to her. But she's still got a great little spirit. Oh, that's okay. I'm in jail in English and Albert. You know? Did you guys talk about like have serious discussions about who played the best woman? I'm no we we left that for other people. I'm where does it land usually? Well, I think it's Dave. I have pretty good settle eggs. Yeah. I'm Scott can't believe that he's considered the worst looking woman, very handsome, man. Of course. But yeah. And Mark Mark had a very specific woman. He did. Yeah. So when you're growing up there in Calgary with the Cowboys in two friends and big Gord. What way you're just like what changes were you heading down a bad path? Did you feel like you're you're going to be lost? If you didn't find the funny. Yeah. I didn't. I didn't know what I was going to do. And I was I was kind of a loser. And I'm on my eighteenth birthday. I had to think called tequila fast at my house and during the two guys. Well, actually, we invite over some more friends, and my mom came in and had a heart attack when she saw the house and from there on for about a year. I just do like any job because my head no money. And I'd be like, you know, she freaked out aiming houses. Yeah. She had hard Jack. She's got a real hard literal attack. No eighteenth birthday. And all right. Happy birthday. She's still alive believe it or not a few more. She's she's eighty now she's got a few Adam, you know, anchor hearts a lump of butter, but she's eighty eighty so I haven't time I talked say mom, I can't fucking believe you're still alive. What did she say? Yeah. Me neither. What about your long-dead? Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's a L S. It's a bad one that takes guy who likes to talk. And then he couldn't talk all very sad. He his clipboard. He'd right. Oh to joke. Market would drive me. Crazy right outta joke which five minutes. It's like dad. You don't need to write out a joke that takes five minutes. Yes. Called timing. Dan. Say that to them or guy enough you knew the joke. But how how do we even that have that was about fifteen years ago? Oh, yeah. And it took a long time. Yeah. It oh. And not so long a long time. But you were able to communicate by writing on P. He'd would right then he would write a OS means you still have your brain. But your body fails you. Yeah. And then either either affects affects your voice or something else. There's two there's two forms of it. And he has his voice and he loved to talk. Right. He he'd wake up in the morning, go. I'm lonely. Let's talk. What are we talking about depression empire? Like anything was of interest to him. But it would start with them lonely. Yeah. I'm lonely. It's like six morning and just smell the cigarettes from downstairs. So that happened your whole life. Where was your mom? Well, they broke up when I was young. And then I then I had to step mom who died of the drink on. My dad was a very serious boozer really really good at it. Yeah. And but then went to a for many years last year. So he died sober. Yep. Wow. Yeah. Now when you were in high school did that was that a transfer to you where you are you drank, but daddy drank rise. So I was going to drink rice who you can calls it, right? From the eighteen hundred Ryan ginger that was daddy's dream. Yeah. Ryan ginger now rise just whiskey right type of whiskey. What's a brand of rye? Well, Hudson's bay they because my mom had worked at Hudson's bay. So she she drank the ri- and in plastic Cup. What's Hudson's bay? It's Hudson's bay company. Yeah. That took all the land from the first nations people and other Canadian thing. Yeah. I'm sorry. Well, you don't look so surprised I'm a little doesn't care about the first nations. People guys you heard it here. And Hudson's bay. What what kind of company was it what they make? They will they make every department store, but they famously took all the pelts from the first nations people or give and give them blankets and my dad fame. But that's where it started. Yeah. My dad famously got up one of their functions. My mom worked there and gave a toast to Hudson's bay who'd been who'd been fucking the first nations people fucking them over and everyone what what is he doing? But that's the kind of it was a protest message. Yes. Of course. Yeah. It was a. Stay right. So that's well. No. But that's where you got your sense of humor. Like a couple of drinks. It's just gonna stick into the man, of course, at his wife's function, actually. No, we never stopped hearing about that one. And that was the end of them. They just kept going. Yeah. Yeah. That was the step mom. Yeah. Those are the years of it was step. Mom. Yeah. That was the stepmom. Oh, so they were both drinking the ri-. Yeah. Did you live with them for a while? And then I left. Yeah. It was pretty grim. Yeah. And they had a dog that would just being key that would just attack you if you left the house, it was fucking crazy only crazy with these people have to throw ball like he'd go for it. And then you run out before you got your family. So that sounds pretty chaotic very chaotic and your mom didn't remarry. She had a bunch of suitors lovers things. Like that in and out of the house yet. This is your new dead. Oh, maybe now, no doubt. Just some guy. That's got guys named like villi and stuff like Billy. Where did you pick up a guy named villi? I've never heard that one. But you seem to so I I mean, I guess is. What built you this is the this is the shame that'll chew. Yeah. And I it's so funny when I see like I'm worked with the comedy troupe now, and they're they're they've had sort of nice lives. And it's like, how do you do it? How are you funny? Like for us, obviously, it's in the hall. It's all all dysfunction. I don't like I find myself asking that to like is like there. There was a point where I think we all sort of celebrated the fact that we'd gone through some shit. Yeah. That was cultural, and it wa-, you know, the time was right for it. I mean, there was like new things happening or whatever. But it seemed like I sort of I think I look back at my life. And I'm like, I've had many lives in went through some shit, and it sort of define me. And then when I see these younger people there, there's sort of well adjusted they they seem to function they have they have they have a plan, right? That kind of stuff and they're good. And I'm like, maybe we didn't need it. I mean, maybe like ROY. Romanticizing that stuff was just bullshit. Oh, it is bullshit. And I think you know, it's like there's so much kindness. Since a lot of young people. I don't know what to do with that. I don't believe it at first writing. I well, I don't believe it at first, but it's actually real. I know there's real sincere kind of like they're well adjusted. Yeah. And we're old white fuckers. We have to realize the world has actually changed. No. That's I think that's true. Yeah. It has changed with is at diminish us entirely. Or can we still somehow like secretly be proud of of of our fuck up nece? Oh without question. I mean, we've been grandfathered in right? Where like I think now like anybody who's my age. I won't say are age because I'm a little bit old fifty seven. I'm fifty five. Yeah. Is we're like the blues now, we're just still out there, man. Like, that's how I feel right? I'm I'm BB king on on Tuesday night. I saw I remember I saw Mavis Staples a few years ago and one of the greatest cities in and she's and then she gave one of the greatest shows, and then she began their CDs for sale out front like, yeah, you're seventy five and you're. Still doing it. But will Mavis go. Yeah. I there's the goal Mavis go part of that. But you know, somebody who who sees it. There's two ways that like why does she have do that still? Right. You know? But it's what she does. I always wondered about certain people. It's like do you need to do this? It's like Bob Dylan is probably out there singing at a state fair right now. And there's part of me that sort of like what he can't need to do. I know it's like, my my friend, Jeff garland who doing stand up and say, you're dropping those area. Go HFA walks in. He's doing stand up at eleven at night. What do you got to shows on the air? What do you what do you need to do? Stand eleven at night for not only does he need to do it. But he he's very proud of the fact that he doesn't ride any stand up in never prepares to do stand up, and then gets up there and kind of like rambles through something. Yeah. It's it's the ramble acting. I don't prepare for any of it. He's very proud of that. And there are nights where I watch him. And I'm like, maybe you should you know. Get write something down. Get mad at me for saying this beautiful. So okay. So there you are. You're you can't go home. You know, you're never you're growing up. And there's just there's there's ri- Ryan ginger in one house and Vilis in the other house. Yeah. It'd be a new guy yet. So your mom worked at Hudson Bay would the dad do he was a salesman. He was a traveling salesman for real when yet when the that existed. And then he sold furniture, by the way, he had a couple of trunks stuff that he'd thrown the trunk and yet he actually had sample cases old school. That's why anything he was just a he sold like, greeting cards and. Different kinds of animal products like to help clean things and stuff was pretty national Cam. Search he worked for it was pretty sad stuff. But because he was a boozer. He would go on the road. Sure. Work two days, and then get lost for three, you know. And that's what I think all those guys all these traveling salesmen were boozers. Well, yeah. Well, it's it's also I- comics, you know, not drink. Well, but stand up comics, you go out, you do your different town from Wednesday to Sunday and one of those guys I got him about about traveling salesman where we're definitely, you know, running from tax payments alimony payments families children like it was their own space and just kind of hole up in a hotel room. And yeah, but also you have twenty three hours in a day. You know? So what else are you going to do? That's right. I mean minds drink for four and then sleep for twelve. And then and then watched the first forty eight on a and E because it's the only thing so so really he'd go on benders. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. But you got along with them the whole time. Well, he was a. Violent, man. He was fun though. Like, he was he was all all things it could be like he'd slap you for doing something wrong. Or you say, hey, let's order Chinese food. And you know, it could be anything. Those are the two off. Yeah. Pretty much Chinese food or those are the two tone. Yeah. You get popped or like. Yeah. What are we going to do? Let's talk about Jan. So we've. I don't know if he would say beat me up. He would slap me right or he would slap my sister. You know, it was very very chaotic. But but did so in in like could in light of that. I find that people who have that kind of upbringing where you just never know what you're walking into or what's going to happen. You know, you go to directions, you either become that or you become these sort of light controlled kind of like, you know, like, let's just trying to make it to safe as possible for everybody. I don't know if I'm that. I'm I Ali. I don't know. I don't feel like I wear that. No. I don't feel that way. But you seem like you seem like. Like, you seem stable, you know, maybe a little dark but save and I feel I feel with with age I've gotten more stable and more. I think I was like kind of young prick. Yeah. But I feel now that I'm a evolved into someone. I'm proud of. Right. Isn't it weird? How you soften? And there's nothing you can do about it. And then every once in a while the old prick comes out, and you're like neither put a stop to that. Yeah. It does. I can't don't cable yell anymore. You can't yell at people anymore. You can't throw a coffee mug at assist anymore, man. Things at chain. Yeah. Can't even throw hot coffee anymore in the world coming. You're a yeller. Yeah. Or it's like mostly about the show or my comedy because everything is doing was so important and everyone had to understand, you know. You know, just get onto my way get out of the little man's way. He will he will eat your throat geniuses in the room. Yeah. And I we I remember we do the tapings and Kevin and Dave with celebrate. Because they were so happy after scene and I would go up run upstairs. And and look at the feet and make sure we didn't hiccups. Oh, you're that's the control the right, right? Yeah. The angry controlling guy. Yeah. I guess. All right. So when where did you first start engaging with the stage? I went to loose moose theatre. And I, you know, I agree. Yeah. In calgary. And I've been kind of a punk, and certainly a how punky we're gonna banned at that. All my friends in bands. I was never gonna be like hardcore kind of stuff or or the husker du and all that would come and play the Calgary and all the time or anything like that. But then I found comedy. And I and it was like, I found my religion reeling. Went to see improv comedy. I was you know, it was almost sexually attracted do. You. Remember to your yet, actually almost on the almost he said. Yeah. But you like who do you? Remember who it was who who like that? You saw that was like there's no well, no it. Yeah. The Tino brothers. Oh, great. Yeah. Rockstars really. Then you'd see them in a restaurant after wow, they eating same restaurants as us. Really? That's it was. Yeah. Franken Tony Tino. They were improv guy. Yeah. And they're still doing it. And. Yeah. And it's it was amazing. They were like, I couldn't believe how cool that whole thing was what was the structure. It was like a like how like how did it go? Like what year we talking like eighty two eighty three? Yeah. Eighty three and it would be Stater sports his competitive. Okay. And you get thrown off the stage and all that. Right. Right. Oh, but it was. So it was competitive. And I thought it was beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. It is kind of amazing. It is amazing. Yeah. And then when you see them do the same thing the third show like, oh, well, well, I think it's a really great art form for a little bit. When you're starting your your world. Right. I like, I think that's true. And I think that's one of the things I always envied about you, fellas. And I imagine you, you know, you find kindred spirit and the people you're working with now. What's the new show called tall boys at the name of the sketch guy? Yeah. That's the thing. I'm doing for CBC right now. And that those that's a younger crew, it is a younger. Crew and they're excellent. And you're the executive producer rector. Yeah. And they come to you like a father figure and say like we can't resolve this sketch. Can you help us, and he say make make that voice funnier? Yeah. Just or just get a better ending. They like get what we call an idea for an idea. Yeah. But but but what I was saying was that there's? There's something about improv where you Ike you going into it. If that's your thing. You're like you're gonna be working with other people, and there's an on at least that has to be some basic respect to for other folks and working on samba. Whereas when you're standing up, your donation anybody. Yeah, I'm going up there alone. There are different they're different. And they really are. And they're not. I mean now, they're we're all kind. But I don't think when you're young is kind as improvisers are. No because you just like you just build your own little wall. And you you got your own little world, and you condescend to everybody in a way. Oh, yeah. And it's like look out old man watch what I'm going to do, you know? I can bomb of coming in. So so once he saw those guys you got involved with improv sports yet right away. Yeah. And and then stop dressing creatively because I didn't need to anymore and just found I think. Yeah. Found that transitions. Like, I don't need these. I didn't even know. I didn't even notice I was doing it. And then I just start where army pants around for two years because you've found another way to define yourself. That was more honest. Yeah. You didn't have to pretend. Yeah. It was an met Mark. And all that. And it was like, oh my God you met Mark in Calgary. Was he? Was he from there? No. He was there. I think the university and he worked for dial a bottle. Is that where you find you fall, you take booze to boozer dial bottle to come out of real thing. Don't act like you don't know what style of on come on. Mark Canadians are ahead of us in so many ways, I LA bottle. But it was that honest that was shameless. Like, we know we don't want you to drive you probably well into it. Yeah. You might only be seventeen but we'll bring you one. Yeah. He's the only I guess after you. He's the only one that. I haven't talked to on the Mike dark. Oh, I usually I'm the last really people always collect all like, polka mints. It's like you're the last one I've met. Everyone says I know day I went out with Dave now everyone knows day to see him around a last yet. And then here's me, it's like you can't Kevin. There was the Kevin McDonald debacle. Did you hear about that? Which I had the wrong. Kevin mcdonald? Oh, you didn't who was the wrong. Oh, the filmed or a film director. I was expecting. It was a horrendous day in the way that like I was expecting Kevin. You're right. Having to show up. And then this guy shows up who I didn't know at all what the nothing nice scramble out to the garage. Do quick bit research. That's hilarious. And you did that when I arrived. Yeah. I did. Because I thought the other Bruce McCulloch via the guy who works at the Lowes hardware. Yeah. Hey, do you know that Scott Thomsen and carrot top or the same? I do that. You know, there was a period there right occasionally get texts from both of them right because I knew carrot top. Because I interviewed him, and he would always send these really horrendous. Pornographic pictures like once a year, and I'd be like Scott Thompson kids in the hall sending it wouldn't be unusual for him to. Yeah. But I I didn't expect him to and it wasn't him. Yeah. It was Scott. Thompson was that the bane of anyone's existence that had the same. No, no, not at all. I thought it was funny. So Mark McKinney. And you're hanging out. Here's the weird thing about all. He is. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all got this perverse darkness somewhere working? Yeah. Real even the nice ones like, Dave. Yeah. It's either. Nice one is Kevin ROY the nice one Kevin's nice. But you know, we always say he's the he's the worst way because it's like. He says well when you're out of my sight, I'll forget you immediately like oh. Oh, I'm the worst. He's sort of right there. The nice wants him him, and Dave the kind ones. Yeah. And Dave is a very kind man as well. Yeah. Mark seems will menacing. No. He's kind of we've all become kind. But he you know, he Canadian so it's gonna built in a little bit. But he can drive Mark and drive. You crazy. He'll like change if you interviewing him he would change the time seven times, and then it would change back to the original time. What do you mean time just activity like he's I need more information? Right. You know? I just need just a guy who needs more information. He he dodges. And I think I grew up in a way in in reaction him. So I was like, no we're going. We're going to Toronto we're going to New York we're going on. And he was like. Can we think about it a couple more years? So. So. I knew his brother, Nick. Yeah. How's that guy doing? He's pretty good. He was gonna hey was going to a documentary on the hall haynick. Where's our documentary? Bhopal myers. Just wrote a book on your right? Yeah. He did. And did did you like the book? I did not read it because that's the way. I am. Right. That's how I'm weird that way. Have you talked to you? Oh, yeah. Very thorough. Very good guy. He's a friend of ours. As a good guy, and he's very good. Dia people seem to quite like the book, and they like it for the things you've probably been talking to me about which is that it has some relationship to like are weird, Pat like how we were formed which I am always inch. You're in good company. I mean, he's written a couple books, but it's like you and Todd Rundgren. Yeah. Yeah. And I barely understand Todd Rundgren. No, I yeah. Humans afar, they're just in an hawk win. They're all just this weird. Worldly, they are man. I didn't come to hawk and even know Huck went existed till like eight years ago. Wow. Where we're and you should should call me up. I would've told you. Yeah. Haukeland exists it how how'd you get this number? There's ninety records. Yeah. Here's. With a thirteen. Here's the two with liming on them go there and see how it spreads out. But they're one of those bands where it's like they're still going, and there's white what one member left and that kind of thing. Yeah. I think he's the original Rhody. The only original member yet Rhody, the sort of the the name on the bass drum right here. So you and Mark are where so you you're there in Calgary. But he he receives sort of punky too. Or was he an oddball? Then it was more an oddball. I think tall really know what he was into like weird sweaters. He was a theater guy. Right marks taking the acting. He says he's not going to be funny. But he just got he did. Yeah. He's so I ki- he'd worked primarily as an actor. Yeah. Store now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so what do you guys? Do you guys do a team thing? How does it start we start? And there was other people involved. We started doing think late night comedy, which was after Calgary after theater sports. We had a few things naked for Jesus or whatever. And like just naked for Jesus. Yeah. That was just one of my scenes, but we would we would just do them in the for the audience after theater sports. And then people started coming just for our show. And we we were it was it was odd that had happened to us. We were successful very quickly, which to you. Well, there was a few. Other guys call late night comedy. So there's about five of us. What happened to those guys? They're around norm. Hiscock who worked on kind of all kind. You know, he he's works on Brooklyn nine nine a bunch of shows. And there's a few other guys who I nineteen years old. Yeah. Nineteen twenty. Yup. And and like, it's so Hiscock is here. Yup. And yeah, the other guys, you know, they're around frankens work in Canada and Gary Campbell works in Canada. And it's weird Canada. Like, if you just hang out, and you you stay relatively funny. You get a job. Yeah. Well, I yeah. For a while. I was in CBC. I said, well, I'm back. What are you gonna do something? I was a kid in the hall. I'm a legend. Yes. So so one do you hit the wall and Calgary where you realize it's not going to happen here. It did happen there. We are selling out. And I said, oh, it's time to go to Toronto. Yeah. Yeah. 'cause I wanted to was the goal. Yeah. Well, I want to go there because the damned played there as well. You know, but it was like no we have to go to Toronto. But never you like it's funny because that's reality when you're Canadian you don't think like we got to go to Hollywood. You gotta go to Toronto never even crossed my mind. Right. Yeah. I just got to go to Toronto because it was the coolest city, my older friends were out there already. So you Mark I picture you load up a car. I actually went up first, and he told me to find him a an apartment with a fireplace that cost two hundred dollars a month. That's that's how Mark McKinney can drive. You crazy. Did you do like and find him one? Yeah. I got a friend coming department with a fireplace for two hundred dollars a month. What is this Europe? And so all right. So you go alone and scope out the scene. Yeah. And we started, you know, there is there a second city. And there is yet young STAN. And we start doing our own thing. And we were very unsuccessful for very long you and Mark. Yeah. And other other people, and then that's we met. Kevin Dave there started doing shows with them. Yeah. I think I picked up some of the history of the kids, but I, you know, from whoever I talked to probably Scott and Dave, right? But not but not you in marks history. That's interesting. Yeah. So when Mark shows up you're ready in with the guys. Yeah. Yeah. And Mark, you know, Mark, and I work together. All the time. Like, we love to be together on stage it formed from way back. Yeah. And so when it finally took shape, where would you where you guys working where was the theater, where's the one that that, you know, we're in the we went to the Rivoli which was like an alternative rock club in Queen Street west. It was the cool cool play, and we didn't do well for very long period of time. And then the kids. Yeah. And then eventually we originally. Twelve you know, there was like five other guys, and they sort of went and got jobs, and you know, they weren't they were interesting and entertainment. Yeah. No. They did. They did other things enough of us. Right. Yeah. And and then you took off we ultimately just took off. But I mean everyone's history. It's like, you know. Oh it. Oh, he'd lemon Lorne Michaels found them like it took forever. It felt like it took forever. You know, as young man, it takes, you know, your your time. So important in six months, you know, now, it's like six months. Oh, I don't know. I did a pilot. Oh, it's not going. Okay. I'll see you again next year. Got my money for a year. That's right. It's where do you still think that way when you get in this business? It's sort of like how much how long is this money. Yeah. I know. And there's never a point where you're like good. I'm good. I'm. Good. I'm coast. I'm done. Yeah. So okay. So eventually way I'm you don't have to weaken. We're not too fast forward. But you you did we're in Michael's did find you you produced a show. And then it didn't did it become a hit here immediately. I think it just you know, kind of central just starting then. Right. And while we're on HBO initially. But I think repetition helped us I think they just played it all the time. When I was there like what year we talking because I I hosted short attention span theater in ninety two. Right. And they were all done by them. Because I know that Nick McKinney had his sketch show on right? What was that a lot fifty seven? What was what was his call vacant lot? Yeah. They can lot. Yeah. So that was in production. I think when I was there. So you guys were kind of the old win or at? Yeah. We were done you're done or out of there. So who are you dealing with over there initially, so Lauren did it for HBO? And you did how many on HBO we? Well. We did. I think two seasons. I mean, we did five seasons in total. But in both ways. Yeah. But it took forever because we wrote most the stuff. So our seasons would be like fourteen fifteen months long. Yeah. But we have to Mark was the only guy wanted to go on real. Yeah. Anyone that's why he went to Saturday Night Live sketch comedy. But that was after the movie debacle. Yeah. Kind of at the sort of at the same time. Yeah. So like what happened with that? With brain candy. Yeah. Well, you guys have always been a cult following in the there's like definitely kids in the hall fanatics and people who love you forever. I imagine. Now like, you have you know, boys and girls who are in their fifties. Right. Who are still kind of dressing like they're in their thirties. Coming after you go by. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Gospels with daddy issues. But now, they're fifty. Yeah. Yeah. But daddy issues don't go away. Mark don't you know, are you know, they just turned into other things usually it's food or drinking. You are collecting weird doll. Yeah. You like cats, but but like what like the movie in retrospect, what happened with it? Because I know there there was the cancer boy debacle. Yeah. Where I played cancer. Boy, and I have to talk I had to talk the guy who had financed the movie which wasn't paramount with somebody else into keeping cancer boy, and I talked to him for about two hours. And then I started to cry. And I said this important to me because my mom died of cancer that, you know, can we just talked about because my because my job was to get cancer ROY in the movie. So I did whatever it took. But you because it was just a fight to be fought. Or you believed in it. So my worst I feel like I was sent by the troop to do it. And I was the guy. I'm the pew. So everyone was on board. We lose cancer. Boy. Yeah. But it was and then Lawrence said will you just lost the war because they're pulling all the ad money. So Lawrence produced a movie. Yeah. So now what like, let's talk. Because I've had those kind of things where you're like, I'm doing something. You knew the thing worked had you done it live. We didn't know it worked. No. We haven't done. We had done it in the show, and it was called. They wouldn't call. Let us call them cancer. Boy on CBC we had to call him dying kid. Would you actually worse cancer? You can buy you might. Yes, you're not dying kid. Yeah. So we, but we just we were fighting for our thing. You know it. It's so funny. Isn't it? When you look back on it out of all the things you have out of all the characters you all did you're gonna put it on the line for cancer. Boy. Yeah. And it was important. It was really important because I'm a punk. And I like that was like, and I took so much from the troop in a certain way. Like, I wouldn't let anybody dress me. So I wouldn't we weren't weren't on the cover of G Q because I wouldn't let I wouldn't wear a suit wasn't one that I brought from thrift shop understand that. And it was like I had to be that way. And it was like, wow. You weren't a lot of fun. I had by had very strict punk rules. So I often tick. Yeah. And I was you know, if I really knew myself, I could've probably just worn a suit and then on G Q, let the other guys feel wanted to do. They all get dressed th they'll let them get dressed. No. It was you know, you can't do it. If you're not doing it over really apricot isn't wearing a suit. So we can't we all gotta wear clothes or we're not gonna know. There's no G Q cover. Thanks Bruce walking nother one, but he stood together. Yeah. We did. Yeah. I think not always like, oh my God. He goes on and on what are they going on about him? And Mark what do they go? I don't know. Somebody opinion put it up with it. Yeah. And that's what kind of eventually broke you. I don't know if it broke us. I think you know, we love each other. We're kind to each other. I think we just you just get worn out like bands get worn out. Sure. Okay. So the cancer boy think so you go to Matt's for that thing. Yep. And they keep it in the movie, and you did that with the with the producer of the film. And then paramount was like, no, we're well, whoever. Yeah. Yeah. We're not doing so. And learn says. Yeah. Yeah. We sort of lost the war. We wanted about you know, but behind cancer. Boy, I think he he was he was wonderful actually in letting us do what we were going to do. Yeah. And so he wouldn't I don't think he would he would go pull pull cancer from fucking film. It's so obvious like I think he probably wanted to say that. But he really was wonderful in letting us have our own own way. He trusted us somehow. And it's like, oh, it was created a f- up. Do you have any regrets about cancer? Boy, I I'm not really. Yeah. I I'd want both things I wish and I honestly don't think the film would have been much more successful. Even if we had more ad money. It's such a weird little piece. Yeah. You know? And it was more fraught with what we were going through. So it was a very kind of a sad movie in some ways, you know? And I think that's what it felt like it wasn't you? You couldn't hide this ad. No. I think you're able to for for your entire career is kind of like what's the word out chemically, take darkness and make it into flour? And now the dark. Was pervasive. No, it was weeds now. Yeah. I remember saying him Kevin. Even if this film makes two hundred million dollars won't be worth it. You know, as as they had we had a call sheet that said all calls add seven hours. So like, I've never seen a call. She'd like really because it was just like couldn't really. Yeah. Like you couldn't land on something. Well, no, no. We were just in so many characters and they're scrubbing your face in the middle of the night, and you had to go from Alice to grieve, oh, and you're just exhausted exhausted. And okay. So that so after that, you all kind of like you. There was no volatility that I mean, there was no bad blood. No. I think we're tired of each other. And then when we finally came back at two thousand in two thousand we did some live shows. Yeah. It was like, I guess we'll do them. Yeah. And it was sort of begrudging. And then it was like. Wow. People on we sold well and fast, and we're happy to see. And it was it's actually more interesting. Because like now, we don't sell like that. And it's like we got to try to sell tickets, Milwaukee soft. You know? It's better if it brings you closer now. Yeah. When would you? When was the last time, you did it I think three years ago? Yeah. But it was sort of a big deal. Still wasn't. Yeah. We still feel a hall. But you know, they're not like before it was like all my how many shows can we add we're doing five in Vancouver. Like, well, that's the thing about the the the blues guy thing is like, you know, if the people that were your fans from when they were kids they're all in their forties now, probably at least. Yeah. Right. So they're like I can't get out to see the guy got a life. Yeah. Can't get a sitter. Can't you know, can't get off my couch. Whatever the fuck it is. It's different when they're grown up. Yeah. And sometimes they come sometimes, they don't remember a loved Lou Reid's. Sometimes I go see him. Sometimes I wouldn't know. Yeah. Did she Lou a few times a few times? And Iggy I loved I die. Oh, man. I saw Iggy. Once in Florida, just on a fluke. I think he just moved down there. And I was visiting my mother, and he was playing some club only had two hundred people and it like they announced it, I don't even know how we heard about it. We gotta fucking go. It was great. I remember drawn. Arkan Calgary saw him and his band left on him. And then the end so he just did like an encore the drummer came back, and he was just like playing drums and doing an encore. It was like crazy. But it was is so wild he climbing the walls and doing all that stuff. Yeah. He's something else. Yeah. I talked to him in the old garage, right? Yeah. He like we came out on he came out on the deck, and we're about to go in the garage, and he was like I just need to. And he's stretching the short comes off. Right. And he's right sat right across from him. With the shirt on the shirt. Did you ask them? Why the shirt off do you really need to ask them? I mean. I don't know. I it just it's just Iggy. I think it has something might have had something to do with. It's weird because he's got to occupy. Iggy pop, and Jim Oster Berg, Jim Oster Berg, you know. Henry Rollins made he makes a distinction, right? You know, you either talking to you talking to Jim right? And I think that maybe he wanted to start his Agee. But I got Jim eventually was good gyms a, very smart, man. Right. And he meant so much to me as a young, man. Oh, you never listened to him talk on. I don't think I have really he's very intelligent and memory is like a still drum, dude. I mean, you're like you make these assumptions about certain people that you respect musicians. Like when Keith Richards wrote that book, I was like what the fuck. Oh, no. I couldn't believe it. And also, well, I'm I'm a bit obsessed with the stones as well. Not read lots of books of this banquet, or whatever. Like, he's studious. We all think he's always just out there blasted planes on. No he worked so hard on. And he's like very. Intellectual. And you know, I it was like it was opened up. It was like such a lesson in misjudgment without question. I felt but then when you really think back on it or even think about it as a grownup was like, of course, he's fucking smart. How can you stay the stones for as long as they have? Right. Keep generating keep getting your shit together. Like, you know, there's no number of people that can just wheel those guys out there not that kind of ban. They gotta be sharpest fuck, and they have to come together in a way to which is I really respect about him when they are earn stuff hits. Like, he's not going to be the beach boys, and like who's playing the hits they have to come together as a as a unit. Oh, yeah. And you go if you go see him you especially at the beginning of a tour, which I did last time, I always them like twice in my life. But I went to see the last tour like the first show, and it took him a couple of song right to you know, like, oh are they going to they're going to line up and they do right? They did it's they're really playing. Yeah. It's pretty wonderful. So how did we get here? Oh, I remember touring the as we get older. I like. This whole compared myself to the Rolling Stones. No, I had not kids in the hall where the pixies we've always say that. I just listened to do it'll the other day, right? All the way through. Yeah. What great band? What a great band. Did. You know? I didn't which I'd met them. I'm sure Dave house. He's met everybody. Oh, yeah. Well, he's out in the world. He's having a few cocktails not anymore. It's done. Yeah. How long two years? Wow. Good for him yet. And he's looking great. He's doing great. You feel better. He must feel better. Probably in worse. I haven't seen him in a while. Let's check in with you get Dave in here. But you are friends with gore doughty down two. Very good friends. Yeah. Say his wife's name right Downey down while sorry for your was. Well, thank you. And I and I'm sad that like because there was a a little bit of momentum trying to get me to talk to him. But I did I didn't know the work that much. I would have felt like I would have done this service. He is he was such an amazing guy. Yeah. And you know, I don't know if you know, he's did so much work with the first nations people at the end of his life. But when I saw I saw. Hi their last tour. It was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. I wish I grew up with it. I wish I knew the music better. I actually one man show I'm doing now, I actually do something which I don't normally do I share because we are very good friends. I share a bunch of our late night emails that we send back and forth that are both very savage. Very funny. You know, when they go on to or I say, oh, this is clearly a ploy to make money, but misspelt it. Yeah. It was plow to make money like that fucking brain cancer. And he's going to figure out what my non sequitur. So it's really it's really wonderful for the audience that they you know, when did they start they started? But when we did, so they, you know, we're very parallel to them in many ways and gigantic. Yeah, gigantic, and I I was actually at Atlantic records this same time as them they they by mistake sent me their contract. But I didn't look at it. Kevin McDonald problem. I had just got there. How why just because it was on the Canadian? I guess it was. Yeah. But how? Like because I guess I didn't really I turn. It turns out when I really sit down think about it. I'm a lot more out of touch than I think I am. But they were definitely probably bigger in candidate. Right. Oh with they they play maple leaf gardens three nights. How big is that place eighteen thousand jeez. Yeah. They play any any place. And it's so sad. How old was he? He was fifty six. Oh my God. Yeah. And such a good guy. Yup. And well, that's interesting in the show. So you because I've noticed that a bit lately with people of our generation, right? The blues, man. Yep. Like, Adam Sandler? And even I watched Springsteen's one man show. He's a little older, but they're definitely taking time to do. Tributes a way. Yeah. You know, San we're talking about Farley right answering seeing talked about Clarence Clemens. But like, it's definitely a piece of the show. Yeah. Where you kind of honor a friend. Yeah. And what is the new one man show? It's just called tails bravery and stupidity. It's just the weird shit. I've done in my life. Yeah. Which is probab-. Ably sometimes to get material. Like, I do you consciously do that. No. Well, I, you know, it's like my wife says, oh, let's go to Pismo beach for the weekend. And there's the vista looks really crappy, and maybe we'll go there could be a story. And of course, you find a dirty diaper in the vista. So it's just you know, I love old. Oh, yeah. I love storytelling, you know, as much as more than stand up where you kill them. And so it's it's that stuff. I mean that was one of those weird lines. You know, I I had to cross at some point where you, you know, when I was a younger man, where before I I ended up desperately doing one person shows point in my career where it's sort of like dad's a cop out, right? Just can't you know, got the goods. Yeah. You got to lengthen it out and the worry about laughs. Right. But you did stand up and say that we met. Yeah. I think that the poor Alex. No at Sewri Steve Allen. Oh, okay. Okay. You did stand up there. Yeah. And twelve ams of C minutes of comedy. Yeah. And did you didn't you didn't like stand up? I stand up, and I still do it. You can do it next week with Kevin show Toronto. But mcdonnell. Yeah. I like stand up, but I it's sometimes nice to be in a theater, you know, and people there just to see you. Yeah. I remember I did without the pressure. I did the improv with Janine a few years ago. And I thought I've worked my whole life to go to have people come see me who know me. And I here I am at the improv and no one care fifty year old woman, celebrating her birthday. Oh, he's wrong at the table. And maybe not. Well, that's that's the other thing. That's weird about like about doing it. Now that I finally after two decades, the can, you know, have enough fans to to sell with either out, right? I still feel like it's part of my job as a comic to go into a place where at least a third of the room doesn't fucking gnome. Yeah. And do the job. Yeah. I think it's noble. I actually do. I think it's cool. You know, win them over. Yeah. But then like midway into that set you like I don't really care about. What did I show after this? What am I don't mind that? But it's just sort of like, even though there's the people that don't know me some of them I can feel like they still don't care, and it's sort of like all right fine. I don't care if you don't care, and you know, the next guy it'll be fun. Hopefully, it'll be your Cup of tea. I remember I did stand up not too long ago. And then I thought I was pretty funny. And then Tom Papa went on like funny. But then there's Tom Papa it's a whole other thing is it hype, man. Oh, and it's just chemically so different. He's he just the whole audience comes. I'm he's raising his arm. Like, they just go crazy got tight craft that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's on top of it. Yeah. Not a missing beat. Everything is hone each beat acts word. Yeah. He's great comic. So the one man showed now do you are you doing it and just in Canada Canada? Now, I'll I'll do some dates in the states. Are you doing a run you gotta theater you doing I touring around. You'll have like you're not just at one place. No, I it's too hard. Yeah. To do to do a month somewhere. Okay. So now after the kids, let's talk about this this this LA period. Right. Because I always knew you know, that the other guys were more visible. But you right. We're working a lot behind the camera, and you became that guy. Yeah. I you know, I directed a few films. And I think I think the last part of my career I kinda got caught in a success trap. Which was I probably did fifteen pilots for like NBC doing the development doing the thing. And it's like, oh, great a sold at the room like on. Then I sold another one the next day. And it's like, and then you realize, oh, they're just they don't make MO. Most of them. Yeah. And so I'd get paid out and people go where where if you've been I've been working. Yeah. I did one day on arrested development. Well, that's what people think what regular people. They're like he must not be doing why I've seen he shows up every five years as a bit player. Yeah. Well, I never I never did any tried to. I never saw it in the acting or any of that stuff. So it was no just I've always thought of myself as a writer anyway. So, you know, look, there's four very talented guys in the kids in the hall, and then there's a guy with a jumbo head who won't standstill, and that's me, but you're very memorable all your characters. Remember, like when you were coming over like, I was like, I know that guy because I remember, you know, like, you were definitely an actor and it comedic performer. Well, I'm good in the kids in the hall. I don't know if I'm always good. And I would always be good thing else. Yes. You so you that was something you just admit it to yourself or or. It's so interesting. I could go into a room and sell a show to ten NBC executive. But I cannot Titian. No, I just didn't want. I did one when I came here and Bob cat goals weight. Was there? I I don't want to be in another waiting room with Bob, wait. Neither of us are going to get the same thing that that's the same thing that stopped you from leading them dress you for the cover. I guess. Yeah. There's sort of like you. How do I? Hold onto my strong, go based. Yeah, integrity. Yeah. Yeah. Why why do I like because we're also fragile that that sort of weird resistance? So I'm gonna wear my own clothes. It's like oh need to go sit there and have my identity destroyed in a room full of people that are kind of like me waiting to do the one. I didn't even create. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. These words don't make any sense to me. Right. Yeah. It's it's humiliating. Yeah. Someone can say these words or someone else can say these words, that's what I don't think. I don't know. I could or someone else we'd better than the other guy to do it. Yeah. Yeah. But he did find your way into directing. And that was just a natural evolution or because it seems like that's one of those things if you do a good job, and you're nice to people that you keep getting work. Yeah. I did it. I started doing it with during the kids in the hall because I did see pass the kids in the hall. And I thought I need a job after this going to be getting another series. I don't want to do another series. Right. So I, and I was I was always been the guy who is obsessed with the music and the extras and the thing and the thing so it was sort of natural. I was out of it for a while. And then now, I sort of you know, I did a show called young punk where I Canadian show. Yeah. I actually done a pilot with Bill Burr and Kevin Hart just before Kevin broke at comedy central. And I kind of had wished I had directed it. Just because of the communication, and you wrote it I wrote it with them. And then you're one of those guys are like we're going to set you up for the writer, Bruce. Yup. That stuff stuff. He we need an adult in the room. But so when I did young punk I started. I I want to direct it so directed it. And then I started doing a little bit more. It's like, oh, hey, I actually really liked directing because I had done. I've done superstar in a couple of. And then I did the Tom green movie where the gave my career a heart attack. You know? Yeah. Stealing harvard. Uh-huh. Which again may thirty two million dollars in cost it, whatever. And so I I went through that Hollywood thing, which I didn't know that I was in film jail. And my major wouldn't tell me that I wasn't going to get out of the job. And so for a long time, not tanked. Yeah. And I and now I want to be at film director. They can't throw me out. And then I was beating my head against the wall. And then I sort of moved into reading pilots and doing TV, but you directed like you did like you did work on shits creek shits creek drill nine. Yeah. Trailer park, boys. Amazing. Yeah. And then I'm going to draft all this this series. I'm doing now. And what was it was the last series? You did up in Canada was that young. Drunk punk. Yeah. I didn't. I didn't other thing called this blows. Which is about a girl who she gets hit by a car in the now, she can blow things up when she gets angry sort of a sci-fi thing. How'd that go? It was good. It was a digital thing. But it was really wonderful. My friends kids were in it. So that was so you keep working. Oh, I work a lot. Was there a period here where you were just sort of like what's going to happen now kind of well up? But also when you sell the pilot you make your money for the year. And then it's like, oh in January ninth years years over. Okay. I guess I guess I'm go out. They don't need. Yeah. I'll go out and August again. So what would you do with that time just family time his family? Yeah. Walk run, whatever, you know, do stuff and mows writing or do and your wife been together since for twenty years. Oh, yeah. And the kids are now one starting high school twelve and fourteen. Wow. Yeah. So you just kinda dug in and just dug in. Yeah. Create a family 'cause I came from a shady one and doing it better. I feel I am. And I couldn't no one could do it worse. And what about the the music career again? I was like, oh, I'm not going to go tour with my record. You know? It was a funny record. Yeah. I did a couple of actually, but I couldn't find the second one the drunk baby. Brought it over for you. Yeah. Yeah. But the other one was funny like people liked it though. People really liked it. I was I was happy with them. Yeah. What was that one called shame based man who did the cover art in that his name is Marshall Ariza? That's quite a it's disturbing. He's an Esquire. Cartoonist illustrator, and I had bought a couple of his pieces that I'd seen in a magazine. Yeah. And it's like I want him to do it. He did it. Yeah. It isn't that exciting. When I went to a studio in New York and was like, I loved it. Yeah. That's the best thing painting. Yeah. It's it's always good to to enjoy the art of somebody that does is working in a medium has nothing to do with you. And you can't do it. Oh, well, that's why I love music. I know. But it's like he. Yeah. It's amazing. It's like, and that's the best thing. Marshall harassment my cover. Yeah. But that was like do you see that? That was a comedy record. Really, right. Yeah. And it was kind of and it was kind of spoken word a little bit of that stuff. I don't smell many spoken word. I don't smell many. That was my Kevin McDonald. So that was good. So how long have you been Toronto? Now, just four months, and does it feel like I'm home. Thank god. No, it's complicated. There's there's no right decision. You know? It's like I like that city though. Yeah. It's a great city. But it's you know, and I'm Canadian, you know, so it's we had I had to get my kids back there. Anyone to be soft in the Hollywood hills, and are any of the other kids up there, just Kevin or Scots back and forth. Mark there sometimes, but he's always doing superstar here. So but everybody in Dave's here. Dave's here. Yup. Yeah. And you guys talk. Oh, yeah. We'll be doing something soon. We don't you know, we keep talking about it. But the but the last tour few years ago, it was good enough to do it again. Yeah. And I think what I mean we've been talking about doing a sketch show for a long time now. And I think we'll end up doing it really with all you guys unit. Yeah. All the original members people always ask us when we do show are all the original members. Who's it gonna be? You know, it's not like Harland Williams. Bruce, Bill Wyman doesn't want to travel anymore. Harland williams. But like how would you do like the like in this? It's weird. Because I I started thinking about it. And we were talking about earlier this aging thing is like, I don't feel bad. But you know, you can like I I was fortunate in that whatever relevance I accumulated, which was not nearly as big as you guys happen when I was in my mid forties. Right. Which is which was great, right? Thank god. I pulled it off. But even now after ten years of of my marginal relevance. I'm starting to. I'm starting to think like United done in my way, where does it go? When do, you know, it's time to stop if you can well you have to keep going. Yeah. Just. Yeah. Yeah. Now when you in thinking about approaching another kids in the hall project, you would call it the kids in the hall again. Yeah. Yeah. We should call it. He haute. You is that what you're suggesting Mark won't just saying like, you know, I'm like, it's the original guys. But they're doing a new thing. Well, then we'd be doing sketches. So it's sketches a sketch song as the song. Would you? Do you think you'd approach it differently and be more age appropriate? Well, we'd have to be. I mean, we have to play. We don't we don't play debutantes anyone old old Delaware billowy late. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know when when we when we did death comes to town or mini series that we had done. So like, I remember looking at the footage quit. We really are older. Really really really older, right? Yeah. I have that moment in the mirror some days some days you because you see yourself all the time. And you're right there. I am. And then one day, you're like nuts happening. Yeah. I remember once I'd written all night, and I looked at my face. And I another as my fifty year old face, right? Yeah. And I was in my early forties. I think there's my fifty. So it's going to be well, I thought this one. Well, do you. I thought it was it was wonderful. And I didn't wanna tell you what a fan. I am of this podcast because he would have not interviewed me. That's true. Yeah. I the only the only thing that happens. Sometimes when people were fans is that they produced the show in their head rigging there. They're like, oh, this is where you're gonna ask me about my dad. Right. Okay. So this is the part where you know, you go who your guys and. Yeah, I didn't have to do that. Who are you guys? What do you mean? I mean, you know, like, the people that inspired you the most outside the brothers. I don't know we talked about musically. It's just more musically. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. In Agee the damn. Yeah. All those tragically hip. Yup. And but like who is one of the blue your mind the first time visit T Rex. Well, I still remember when they put on God saves the Queen. And the is I still remember that feeling the back of my neck lake ecstasy was coming for me. I'll never forget that. Yeah. How that felt that was it? What the fuck is this? I want to crawl inside it. Yeah. And he stayed there. And now, we're all we made it for. Yeah. Nice talking to you. Nice talking to you, sir. I like those Canadians that was that was a nice chat. Nice guy and funny and very specific unique way. Bruce McCulloch tales of bravery depite is one person show soon to be a book and watch out for tall, boys. 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CCK Podcast: Love & Letters (featuring Paige Spiranac, Marty Mush, Jetski, ad Blattman from Big Brain)

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CCK Podcast: Love & Letters (featuring Paige Spiranac, Marty Mush, Jetski, ad Blattman from Big Brain)

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And I don't know. Maybe it was a Yang. I think a lot of times we learn from animals animals. There's no to do that. And then it's like all right. That little baby suck sucking on that. So I'm suck on that, too. Right. But all sorts of food, I'm gonna kill that animal. I'm going to skin it on going to put it on top of fire, and then I'm gonna eat it. Right. What? And then where you drew the line to see those like pita billboards, and it's like, well, where do you draw the line from like a chicken, and then it goes all the way up to a human? And there's always somebody that comes with graffiti, and like it was like well between the Callan the horse, that's where we draw the line. We're not even the worst who drew that, like, why are we not eating horses? I did a horse right now bullied horses. No, America's, you know what they do is they just changed the name, you know, it's like venison. So you're eating a deer, bro. If they just changed horse to a different name. It'd be like, okay. Yeah. I never eat a dog. No, I could human. I would, I would I would like to try some human society is trained to think that that's not normal. Like, if what if you could do that would have we would have we grew up here me out eating human. Is normal? Well as long as it's not like someone has been murdered for me to eat them. I'm okay within what how I don't wanna murder anybody? Let's just like some old person dies, you'll eat that meat but for some young person. So how, how did they die? I don't know tragically, but not intention like somebody dies in a car accident. I would like to maybe try their meat. I don't want them to die for me to eat them. Right. Yeah. But it would probably cost a lot of money to eat human. I bet you super rich people do this. No. Don't I super rich people who need like to just get the rocks off in weird ways they hunt urge? Yeah, they probably hunt humans, and then eat them. I bet you that they probably just, oh, my friend, people hunt people like big game hunters who, again, who were sick as shooting lions and stuff in Syria. Eddie, we wanna play the most dangerous game is books and movies about this man is definitely books and movies about it. But I feel like we would know about it. If it were happening, you are not on that level. Yeah. If you were if you were rich and inner circle, you would know about it. You're a peasant while the police the police would know the police are involved, the power, they're paid off. This is probably not happening in America, if this is happening with Americans out quarters. Yeah. That's pretty cool though. I I'd like that. Diamonds and eat humans again, I don't want to test it out. Yeah. I just sometimes worry about the wellbeing of Barcelona blaze when these conversations happen invites fights talking about how they like to choke the life out of people last week. And now this week, you guys are talking about hunting and eating wives. You fight so that. Oh, yeah. I don't like that. Oh, okay. Well, I mean they didn't like they didn't say they wanted to kill people. They just said that they like having the power that they could do it. Stark. That's weird that some listen to the last week stark. All I know is that, you know, if someone were to cook up some human for me season it sauce it up. Cook it like nice medium. I'm I'm medium. I don't need to medium rare. Maybe it's like a, you know, like a nice guy or a but that either but I do eat. But, but what I do actually get all my food and snacks delivered by post mate, so that my hunger, satiated. So I don't have these thoughts about eating humans, I wonder posts mates. Save save children's lives and saves the lives of anybody who I was thinking about hunting and eating post and not a fan of cannibalism non cannibals for all the non cannibals out there. Post meets promo code KFC one hundred dollars off your delivery charge for the next seven days. That's KFC get one hundred dollars of free delivery credit during your first seven days with the program. We did a little love letter talk this week as weird. Have you ever written a love letter? Yes to who and how old. Girlfriends. Yeah. Held we aren't Tony's already dating. Yes. So it was like a anniversary, your Valentine's Day or some occasion, like once a year. Yeah. Now was it like a love? Sonnet in Alaska. Roses are red violets are blue. How long was it? It's I mean probably like a couple of pages. So it was like it was just a like a, you know, a reflection love letter usually mean like has a connotation of like a poem. It wasn't a problem. You look, look how far we've come look at what we've done, this is what she fucked your best friend. Yes. Was it her? No. Okay. I was going to say that would be really bad. No. That didn't happen with, don't you feel foolish. Eventually after you break up. It's like this foolish about it, because it's like find another guy that's gonna fucking write you a bomb. Aslam handwrite. It. I feel like that up. Any like, if you handwrite anything, it's way more impressive soccer's, Carol? All you gotta do is write things down on paper. And they're like ooh. No, it has to be good. But it does take it the next step 'cause I mean how easy is it to type versus go? Find some fucking stationary. Well, here's the thing. Casey, if I hand wrote you of love letter you'd be like this is a fifth grader like I'm it could be the most romantic letter of all time, but you don't necessarily from fucking eleven year old if that if your handwriting is bad. It's bad mine is like a two year old. So I got all caps. Yeah. I do that. But that's a long. I don't think it does eventually just start to fall into like a script cursive, sorta to train yourself to write in all caps. And then it looks way better deaf. It looks much better. The thing is, I'm never writing anything of substantial length. So motorcycle scribbling down notes for an interview or some shit like that. And I'm just like discrimi- prescription like a. It's like a doctor's prescription pad. Like I know says, like I do the sometimes it's upper case. Sometimes it's lower case, just by accident. And, and apparently, that's a sign of being a psycho. Split personality like a skit sour. It's like well that was your your, you know, one personality writing. Now it's your other personnel. It's like in the same word. Yeah, I know. I just that's I also like to write things down more than type them like if I'm taking notes on something I if I write it down. I'll remember it. So I feel like if you're writing a love letter or a breakup letter, or whatever it means more. If you physically. I was going to say can we do that? I would love to save me a lotta head. Yeah. No. I don't think it's like that's how you're breaking up. I think it's like, like if somebody breaks up with you, and then and then, like you write a letter as a woman, Casey, is there a right way to break up with someone like if I if I wrote a break-up letter would that be more preferred than like a phone call or text message or in person? I mean, ten out of ten it needs to be done in person, and you agree with that. Yeah. Because then P I guess it depends on it depends on how serious the relationship is, I think, invested if you've not invested that much time are not like you're not in a fiery thing, you gotta make her okay? On text message if you make it past six months, then, like we'll start talking alternatives. But anything before six months, you might get a text message. You might just never are we talking about an actual like, I hate saying, this sounds like I'm a thirteen year old, but, like a boyfriend girlfriend relationship just a hookup. No, no. Like, we've, we've gone on dates, maybe you've met my parents, like we've got all each. Each other. Yeah, we're in that six month window, maybe Valentine's Day or Christmas as fallen in there. We've gotten each other gifts for those holidays. If you don't make it's a six months, you ain't getting shit like, I'm just going to be like you had both somebody that met your parents auspey holidays with hell, yeah. God, you're a douche bag. You gotta make it to that six month Mark. And if you don't guess what you ain't shit. Have you? I follow the logic a little bit. I'll tell you what. But like when you're when you're going to break up with someone you see them in person, you get sucked back in you do nothing but fight. You did nothing. But, like make up sex. Brad sex, right. Like that's that's that's fun in ship. But if you're trying to actually break up, I think seeing each other is the worst thing and like staying in contact too. Yeah, because then, the more that you text and the more that you talk the worst lie back. You know, I don't know. I mean that's why the break-up letter is like you have a bunch of shit to say, but you don't want to say to their face you don't wanna get sucked into some sort of hookup situation. You don't want them to be able to respond right away. Right. A break-up letter. Think of. Like how I've gone through breakup in the past, I feel like at once you hit a certain point of seriousness. It has to be done in person. And I always use ROY McElroy as the example like he broke up with Caroline, I always fuck, her name was the Aki Binger engaged. And I guess he like texter to break up the engagement tough. Maybe a phone call. But still, it's like if you're engaging you're planning a wedding. They had already sent out wedding invitations didn't even do it in person. I got a friend who has goes left the ring on the bed poof love that to she'll even know I would love that. No, no note off just clean. There was a lot of fighting it wasn't like out of nowhere. But it was like the actual break up out of nowhere like, like they, you know, wasn't really, there was an episode of sex in the city where Kerry wakes up and had just a post. It note that just says, I can't do this. I'm sorry. I love a clean break. Right. I mean I mean think about it. So I get what you're saying where you, quote unquote. Oh, it to them, but it's like they ordinarily want that because they still want to be with you. Right. You're, you're the breaker upper, and it's like. You have to see me, and it's like we'll be able to stay. Yeah. And it's but if. But if the break-up is like one of the worst messy, kind of rudest things you can do to someone. So it's like I'm already being the root of second be now. I have to like not do it overtaxed or not do it over the phone like you're already gonna hate me. Right. We're going to be a mess. There's a, a level of respect, I guess. Yeah. But breaking up with the guy that. Oh, but I am about to you. Well, yeah, but if I'm currently I'm like I do not want to be around you anymore. That's fair. But there's also like if I'm going to break up with a guy that I don't actually care about then. Yes. But if there's a guy it's like listen like I don't wanna be with you anymore, but I at least respect you, as a human being to give you this. There's a difference dumped girls for the most ridiculous reason shocker heard round the world. I'm jay. Three of them. I've already told the shitty pants story, does the girl farted into my presence. Now is it you're done? There's another one. I dated her in high school, and she went to a concert and her parents were away, so she gave me the keys to her house, and she was, like, all right. You go to the house and like set up like you can, we can have a party at my house, and like all your friends, and my friends will be there and like I'll come back when I got back from the concert, and then her neighbors, notified her grandparents who then went to go check out the house, and then they came, and she wasn't there. But I wasn't a bunch of people were there partying, and they like him. That's the boyfriend he's got to go. And I was like, well, that's so then I dumped her before, she get dumped me. And then what was the third one? Oh, girl over her grandparents. Basically, I just didn't want to face your family again. God, I was like I don't want to high school in highschool. Yeah. Yeah. I was like I don't wanna deal at this. That's that's just too much panic there. Another girl that I'd aided when she was in college, and she had like a house with their friends and my best friend dated her best friend. So we would go party there on weekends. And then when she graduated moved back home with their parents. So I dumped her. Does he lost like the, the value there? He'll yeah. Does that surprise you? If anyone listening Daime though, sometimes it's just we man to size things for better or worse. Like you know there's there's appeal for a reason, and then you felt like that appeals gone. So yeah, yeah, I mean it's just it's just it's just a different life now. Whereas we're just different now. That's not what I wanted to sign up for a party. You can't bring table. Then what are we doing here? It was a party all week long on C C k the best of is brought to you by omega six Kreil freeze. 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It should be good enough for you to go to Olmecs health dot com. Oh, X, health dot com. Promo code KFC for twenty percent off best of CC K. Enjoy the show. We got a couple of calls on the line here. People wanted to weigh in on this idea of who from arsenal. Sports could pull in Ayla celebrity, I have, I'm on the record saying that it's got to be a guy a Lister who let's call a spate of spades stoops down to our level. Right. I don't think any girls are stooping down to the level of guy bloggers. But let's let the people weigh in on it. We'll see what, what do you think? Eric from Philly. What do you got on barstool and the celeb- life? Hey, what's going on? So I think we'll first of all, Ellie and jumbo Don Martinez about ever goes through community one. I think that was a clear joke. Okay. I feel happen. I mean that they could connect them out. And then Katie, no swags guys, go little weirdo. That's a good one. I like that imaginative caving swag, just shows up. Red carpets all the sudden, like you think he can walk into the office with somebody, and I think the whole office doing, who the healthy with. All this like, if it would work, I. You know, like I one who would be like the most ridiculous girl. K b no swagger, walk in with. I mean he could probably Anna Kendrick. I talk about her early. That's actually Anna Kendrick is, is such a like reasonable down to earth Alastair that I could see her like we're finding especially somebody like appreciates humor. Maybe like, oh, this guy's a great writer, and he's funny and look at that he's got those weird ears because he's a good wrestler. Yeah. This is my guy maybe that would work. Anna Kendrick would probably be especially now that she's, she's dipping her toes and the barstool waters. Are we dating? Or is he just see separate? Yeah, sure. But I, I mean, I guess because he's just has money. Beat around them because I use it in those everybody's I guess. Proximity helps but I mean, I don't think. So, I think no money is Katie. No swag money. Dave. All right. I mean, those are the yeah, there's rationale behind all that, that makes that makes sense. I think that the girl the girl argument your girl argument is valid because I think that all the girls in here could potentially especially because there's a lot of them are so young. I just don't like A-List celebrities are so far out at, like, even Dave, Dave and the Kentucky Derby Dave's not in the Kentucky Derby, boxes with, like George Clooney. There's a there's a huge huge like you, you can be at the same event but it doesn't mean that you're like with. And we're not talking about, like I mean, like the jersey shore cast, for example, like they're nowhere near like Ayla celebrities, but they're still pretty big time celebrities, you can be around that, like the next step up of celebrity is crazy. It's great. It's. It almost makes level. Kev from New York. What do you got? All right. I got to them. First one, I got Robbie Bach. Who and who would it be older woman? I don't I would have to be like some older woman. She's like, oh, look, it is young kid reminds me of my son kind of thing weird thing like that. And then the second one it would only lasts for about three days because I don't think anybody could stand around him for that long doing what past Marty much at all. I'll actually the, the man of mystery is, is that, you know what he probably already has like I wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised if Bharti walked in here being like oh yeah. Megan fox. Yeah, I fucked her out the transformers premier like no big deal. I rat. I fucked that mother rat dog that Rach hitter fucked that ratchet it from one and Oscar. I mean. Mardi is he's got a lot of Costanza slash Kramer. He's kind of like a whole amalgam of Seinfeld characters all rolled into one and the girls they he pulls her so good looking. And they're just he's just now starting his barstool career like if he ends up doing something with Caleb, and they end up on some red carpet like I could just again. Approximate does matter, get some of these guys are you pull, but Martin mush that would be incredible? And he's he always talks about how he doesn't talk on dates. Right. He's like I don't really there's no way. That's true. No, I think I understand. I obviously, I still talk some, but I think he limits his words and I think you become mysterious, and I think you don't shoot yourself in the foot by saying anything dumb, and I think are just like what is this? What is going on right now? I want. I also at this point, I just have to believe that Marty has a hammer. I don't even know what he's doing in bed. I can't talk about that. That's, like Mr. has to be the only. He's like my brother that I just like big fat dog understand. I literally want to I think having one of those hidden camera dating shows, for not just Marty for multiple people at Barsial would be so much fun for people on the outside, just because they're so interested in what a lot of people do here. But I think it'd be the most fun for the employee's him. So why not just Marty just in general like we see these people in, like, everyday blogging world? But like mardi mush is playing like ten out of tens how is this happening? I wanna I wanna watch it. He should be given to Orioles. I think that he is. He was like the Commissioner of whatever your sex or something like that sex sex that all those like different relationships have just kind of died off in the new office because they're not all piled together. Or maybe they've not died off. I don't hear about it anymore because we right by the radio room your sex was mardi, mushrooms, the Commissioner of it Mari mush. Yeah. I you know what I'm on the mardi Muscat data, neyla celebrity. That's the one I'm going with I am on Robbie. Good. Good morning is here. I wanna. Get him in here, and we'll, we'll see who he thinks he could pull and what would be his approach like the mardi mish Moshe blueprint, how to pull an a Lister is, is one that I think he probably surprisingly has like some actual he can weigh in on that. I would imagine STAN from Staten Island, what's up. What's up camp say I just wanted to kind of pivot back Memorial Day weekend. A little bit. Yup. I kinda wanted how much shit does your from, like random people saying, oh, Campsie ruined, the Parker house because, you know, they're closing the whole second. I have I've gotten that quite a bit. Unfortunately, a couple of people on Twitter, a couple of people privately. I don't know where I fall on this stand because part of me really part of me would love to believe that it's fair. I mean, part of me would love to believe that I've got enough sway that I mentioned this bar, and it got so fucking popular it needed to like shut down half of its space. But part of me also thinks there is it was just a natural progression of people who started to go to a very fun bar. But also, then I the third part of me thinks will why all of a sudden, like you know, progress has been around forever. People have been partying at the shore forever. What is the difference that made it get like out of control are more people doing share houses are more people? Going there in general. I you know, I'm not sure because that's you know, it is the only one that the bar is the only bar that we really ever like pumped or I ever really talked about because it was my favorite bar that I've ever gone to. But I don't know captain cons like Khan sent me this picture from spray and Osprey the line to get in. There was absolutely insane. So it's probably more just the whole region than it is just the Parker house. But I also don't get. So it's getting so crowded. They cut off the upstairs. And like what in the hopes of just like less people showing up because now it just seems like you're giving yourself less space and it's going to be even more crazy. I, I don't really think it's your fault per se. I think social media combined with rice and apps like the person twenty minutes away that lives in freeholder Manal just take a twenty minute Dubar to the Parker house, and that adds another third Pete, one of the two because I'm twenty nine and I had to your house for me just twenty two to twenty seven and I was like the prime Arthur house, Campsie years gone baseman, you'd that we did see it the last couple of years really kind of off and take on life. But own where aligns the beach would be commonly. Yeah. I mean you can't. Yeah. I mean you can't I mean you can't even enjoy everything that you also do a lot of unfair blame on that. Social media, like Instagram Parker house. Then the the, the New York Times in a fucking right up on it. Yeah. I think more. So those things matter. But like I said, STAN, I would love to I'd love to, you know, put that claim on my resume that I can drive like two jillion people to a bar. Hey, like advertisers, and establishments, like holler at me, mortar, it'd be nice lovely mardi mush mining program. We're good man. So the question came up, girl, Lindsay called in and said, who, who from barstool, do you think will be the first person to date a celebrity? And we said it has to be like an alien a Lister and an I don't think anybody here really can. I also thought that if anything it would be a girl because like a guy who was an atlas there might still be like I wanna sex, without girl, whereas girls might not I don't think we'll stoop down to our level, but you are at international Manta mystery you are low level. You are very Kramer s fall ass backwards into this ridiculous life. You have been known to pull chicks who are high above your pay grade. I you know, and maybe you would be a reasonable pick. Do you think would you bet on yourself? Do you have any experience in this field? How would you approach it? What would you do? Do you have any advice? Gimme mardi, motions thoughts on hooking up with a celebrity. Well, first of all, I'm what a hot streak on. Are you talking believable? I really I don't know what's happening. This is why I need a hidden camera show with mardi much like what a hot streak like. How are you on a hot streak double double shot at rat? That's when they. Love love. I know. But yeah, I think hot, it's first of all, it's too hot out for sex anymore, by the way, this, too. It's too much. Now, I'm with you on that. I mean in general sex is tough, especially when you go sticky and sweaty. Now, I think I would, I think I wouldn't know who the girl is, and I would just be like doing my stupid shit, and unrealized like after the foul shit that would be the rom com plot like you know, doesn't dope it he doesn't realize he's dating if you're Kardashian or Anna Kendrick, I don't know who you will also came up because she isn't Alastair, but she is, she's pretty cool. She really appreciates like humor. I could see you're not being like like Anna. Kendrick doesn't strike minutes type is like I'm only going to date other famous people. So I think it's kind of a Downer and I do think that someone like yourself would she would be like, I feel bad for this bass that let me, let me try to help. Pitying you. Not even pity though. I think that maybe if you departure from my life of, like Glenn A-List, slumming, celebrity girl might just be like you know what? I'm sick of these guys that are just constantly wanting to talk. Yeah. Because even like I mean, we are brought like z listers, like I don't even know where on the scale but I know that now when guys talked to me at bars, I always in the back of my head or like you're only talking to me, because, because I work at parcel, and nine times out of ten. The first question is always about one of you guys. It's like, oh, Kevin Dave, Dan. It's like, okay, you're only talking me because of that. If you're in, you're, like appreciate it when somebody is like, hey, can I buy you a drink and like they don't mention barstool at all? It's great. So I can imagine Ayla celebrity girls at paparazzi following them around. They're like God. I just wanted to partner from this, like, I just want to live a normal life mardi Moshe could be that normal life. I don't know about normal. Well, but. For a more normal person life than I have different parts of your brain that you don't think about these look, these celebrities to come down there and say, oh, man, I never thought about three and one chiampou like some shit like that. Do you think that they think all ponds are circles? Well, that's fact. About a square pond pond. Yeah. Idiot C square. Okay. We're not gonna mardi and I have gone back and forth on this forever there. He's convinced they're all perfect circles. We don't have to get like this is not what we came on radio on Tuesday to talk about just saying they're not I might be more on this week. Get I dogged dogged rat. And I was sitting I was done. I was sweating like, you know, like basketball sweat, and like in here. Yes, she wants to the bathroom. I was so drunk too. I was walking around with wears this like Alan Hoboken? Okay. And she just I just took like her dirty laundry. Just all. This two-way way. Both the swells got do something copy smell like a bass. She goes, you are just wasn't dirty laundry. I don't. Well, I don't know actually taking shirt out of the drawer. Did you know it's pitch black grabbing? I mean you gotta survive. So what is the post sex situation like with Marty mush? I can't I don't leave you get out of there. They want you out for sure. Yeah. 'cause magic wake up to me with my chapped lips. Uh-huh. Everyone's faces when grossing have you, you always get up and go, but. Have you had like breakfast, the next morning and stuff? No. I've never you always have actually ever had breakfast with a girl. Have you ever stuck around? You always get out. I always get up because one there's really nothing what am I gonna do? I have to be uncomfortable and sleep in her, like small anti bed. Yeah. And then it's hot and. Yeah, if I have to go to the bathroom, I need to go to the bathroom. Sometimes you just you just pass out though. No. No. I'm very much. I love away games. But, like leaving the wagons, and I'd ever do home narrower it. Never it never get greedy. And think about the morning sex, maybe that soba then sex, my thing about that. You're sober after once you like after you bang her sober. You have to like the texture. Yeah. Feel bad. If I if I journal say, hey, I have no idea what happened. Yeah. Yeah. You can always lean on that, whether it's true or not. That was just a drunk thing. Sober Sachs is like all right now, we're now, we're like, I deserve deserve it. It's like tough at this point, how much would you say was the Hoboken deal because barstool or was it just? I think a lot of mush effect sale. So I don't know. It's been really weird psych some, some girls have no idea like who I am. Exactly. And that's still works. Yeah, it somehow still works. But most of it's like people are taking like guys are taking pictures, and then garlic who's, who's or slashers is always a great. Yeah. Always say who are you? Downplay you pay about it. Yeah. Haunt them. Nobody your Instagram. But yeah, I just I the Sunday I was I was. Looked at her like shirt, and it was probably like. That's always a experience. I've always some story with me, but aren't always one day. You're going to fuck some girl, and she's going to be like you've rat dog you, you can get away. You dog this shit out of me, and you're going to be like married. I know I'm gonna literally marry a right. Here's the ring the first goal caused you a rat dog. Our own version of it. You know what I mean? She has like our own language you use yours. And she hits you back with her own lingo. And you're like, oh my God. This is the one. Yeah, I don't really care if I won like the girl knows me from Barcelona garage. Curious that if yeah. Does taking a foul the I want my girlfriend like actual cry. Like know everything about me like that. Allow I mean that the problem is much at this point, there's no way to stop it separate it right to this. Hey. My mind just is what are you doing? Any like share house for the summer or anything you just say, on the I have a friend that does live in Mattis quality, just mooch. So I'm the guy who shows up case beware. Beware shots another a whole bad and use all your toilet paper for a weekend, but I brought a case of beer. Let's the Rummy drain. Black club shows. Blackheart. I'll fucking spit on you. Even the level of his friends drinks at bars. I know there's no reason to the really is why I have to buy you one seriously -cause. They bought you one did they, I think they did me a one drink now have to buy you. It's like it's a thing it's going the texts. These leave. Yeah, the tax you don't buy me drinks out, the by you want. Exactly the stupid rules that no one writes down. It's insane society. Oh, we should start writing. Get to work on them or it, I'll break. It's halftime here. When we come back on. C C K. We're talking nobody's in the workplace. I it's a slow summer day people on round. I'm up like the, the nuggety was have I swear to God about that, because that, that should be the real story here. You want to talk about internal bar soul drama. I think I would've quit first of all last week on Thursday, we had wipe on this very program. You had why p on the run down all last week, but even the week before, and we said every single person that has talked to him. I said, you are eventually going to have to choose your allegiance moment will occur where you have to either be more team. Portnoy than a blues fan or more of a blues fan than team. Portnoy. You're not gonna have to stop being one of them, you're going to have to choose which one means more to you, and he could not wrap it around that on Thursday on radio. He was like, you know, he could robbery et cetera. But he just said it's knocked that's not going to happen. He said he would not going to occur. Dave's adjusts ruler you are insane, every single person who has dealt with Dave, in some sort of, like former fashion with. Knows you're going to have to do it. That moment came yesterday. I don't know exactly what the rate, I know that he was, like, giving wipe shit on Twitter even last. So just to be clear people last night at the game. Dave, why p rigs? They're all sitting in the nose bleeds. They get on the Jumbotron. Now the way it was. So Dave is to rigs his left and the camera is to rigs is right. So he turns to the camera where the Jumbotron is, and he's shown his shirt and effectively turns his back to Dave badmouth, Dave, puts Briggs in a headlock and starts. Nogi 'em with the Dave face like the Dave when Dave takes like Ramsay Bolton. Pleasure in like making fun of people at torturing people. That's the face that came out, and he starts Nogi ING him now than that. Now, this guy's comes any stirs the pot because in evacuate there that is just Dave dummying rigs, like rigs has got body. He's got nugget grown man, getting no you, but Gaz comes in and stirs. The pot and says, where? Why TD defend him? He didn't step in and do anything. And now all of a sudden it's both of them. Now, I will say, there's also dissension amongst, the blues crew because rigs automatically tweeted, why did nothing to stop it because he doesn't want to take this bullet all on his own. I mean if you get he'd that's eight evacuate. That's on you to now rope in Y P was just collateral damage. My first question when I walked into the office today was people are talking about is, what was why p technically supposed to do. Yeah. Because like everyone talked about how Nate Nogi day we all saw how that turned out, I wasn't even working on. I know you saw was he supposed to, like him in a headlock? I mean you just don't do that, especially because if it was in the office, I think it's a little bit different too, because it's in our control environment. You're on the Jumbotron at TD garden. Like can you imagine what would happen to why p if everybody Boston split? Act as a data whereas like you, you can't do that. And it has nothing in my opinion. It has nothing to do with him being less of a blues fan. More team porno. It's like well that's still your by this is the problem. What are we go? Head to head with, Dave and these things, you always have a line that you have that in your mind. You're like I shouldn't cross that line Dave has no lines zero light, but you have to you have to prepare accordingly for the line to be crossed and be ready to to bounce right back. So like, like Davis, so good on his feet with this shit. Like I don't think he was saying himself. We're gonna Jumbotron I'm going to not this guy that was, you could see it was just a genuine like surprise, and then his immediate reaction is I'm going to bully his kid and not him. He's natural rigs has to be sitting there when you go head to head with Dave on these things. And there's cameras rolling. You have to have a battle plan, you have to be prepared. I said, if I was they were drinking beers. I would have my drinking beer, and I'd have a beer on the side that will be ready for day Portnoy in the Jumbotron like if you're going to not me, I would be around your head like all's fair in love is war, and I'm not gonna. I'm not going to dump it on you. I I'm going to throw the first punch because you are still my boss. But then, once you cross your line. I am Ryan returning fire in kind. And, and then it's okay. Yeah. But that's also there are certain people that would do that stuff. Today, there's certain people that wouldn't why is not somebody. I don't care like how we're gonna berating so you talk about Ramsay Bolton. I wrote a blog whenever Tommy did his big game of thrones blog. I wrote a blog because Tommy, and I have our forever rivalry even though we're like technically low key best friends. It's fine. And I explained how David Tommy our Ramsey and wreak. When I talked to Dave about it. Dave. Didn't even understand, you know, there's no way that I'm Ramsey and Rickwood Tommy. But then I started giving him all these examples, and he was like, oh, I kind of am. But what's usually the difference maker is that Tommy is willingly engaging, not willingly. I don't think. Oh, no. He's willing. He's consensually doing. I think Tommy would probably prefer different life where he's not getting a face fucked by Dave on camera. Right. But pushing low in Vegas, like, literally, I would take gifts from game of thrones and put the gifts of Tommy, Dave next to match a perfect. What are we doing? Here is still at the end of the day is like I'm doing this for the camera. I'm doing my job standing whereas rigs just got like tax but rigs would fight back. That's the difference like like radar and Ramsay Bolton like look on his face, which you're so. Right. He does he doesn't even realize. Yeah. Rigs would have fought back had he known it was happening. Why p is apparently claiming he didn't know. Oh, it was happening. It's like bro. You're looking right at the Jumbotron for the higher. Well he was. He was showing off his t shirts, and trying to sell merge, because that's what this company is based on, which is an attempt at a spend zone. But Jared joins the program Karen, the rocket's backers story nine you once blasted hubs in the face with a fucking fire firehose that Kevin that was the ground grounds crew did it. Which was, I think previously, the most degrading thing that's happened. I think that the Nogi is worse because again, hubs actually while while it was a bad idea. And I think hubs was like, yeah, I'll do this for content. Not understanding how bad it was gonna look. But he was like, yeah I lost the bet. I don't even do it. That was the worst part like the, the hose was bad. But like him like I made him hand me that of Red Sox wins. Look what? Again, that was all in the name of content. Yeah. Whereas like day, just took it upon himself. I mean. Yeah. And ran rigs is right where he was like, you know, this is a sucker punch. This is like getting stabbed in the back. I think it would wear it up. But I don't know. It's, it's just it's then then that's all true. But it's those, that's a tough break. It is. I think it would have been more of a statement if he did it to why p because why p genuinely loves in is obsessed with the blues. I feel like rigs couldn't go fuck loss. He's just not. He has. This is a ten on the fan skill, I think like rigs has to be like a five at moat because why has this personal? Investment now with Boris and he's is like the he's like the fan the superfan people. He's fan more than they not from bar so, right? And that's what I told him. I was like, right now, you are a symbol for the blues like people people, I don't even know about barstool who no you, you gotta rep the blues. But I mean if that's you. If you're rakes, or who do you think the blame here because we were just saying guys came in and start his pot and roped wipe into it by saying, you know, why didn't you stop it? But what does the what's choke him out? Yeah. We were saying to you, obviously know this from being like Boston, and can you imagine if why would have physically assaulted Dave on the Jumbotron at the garden in Boston at Boston, Boston sporting event, an outsider assaults L press in the office. It's different it's controlled, it's tool scenes. It's funny, but like you're inside the guard now, people with no days, why. And all that shit. But yeah, you're behind enemy lines outnumber like two to fifteen. Thousand it's your boss. You know, it sucks when one person has no line and you're kind of playing by the rules and you could just get like blown up. You know, even when we did the battle rap, remember things it was, like, all right. I'm not gonna say that. And then he said, why would you want to do that, at the end of the day, you still have to toe the line with your boss? But when it comes at the cost of like a Nogi on camera, it's I think it'll rigs did know wipe by letting it happen because I think he had the perfect he, he did try to get his shirt on the Jumbotron. It's like did try to like I would have saved you, but I was trying to link submerge which is how would you have saved? But it's like, yeah you can play that guard. Yeah, it would have been really funny. If he just jumped right on top of day was double bogey, yu-gi-oh hilarious. See, I say I do. Dave, Dave is a master of the shit. He just off the cuff like grabbed him and not them. It just happened. You know, Dave had that in the back of so he definitely did, I think I way, so quick. I waited Teichmann. Way his his face snaps. I mean, I'd be from him because I, I don't know if they knew they were going to get on the Jumbotron. I feel like maybe at some point he was like, I'm going to I'm going to know you this guy or something like that, like breath this series like at some point, I'm going to try to physically emasculate him. I think it was kind of a snap thing. You I think you have to be prepared for Dave at all times. I just. Okay. See, I would have a second beer like sitting next to me that would be like, if he grosses some sort of line, I'm going to dot might be around him. Yeah. Like, imagine if you're getting no to reach over and you dump it on him, like, all right. I I'm not going to cross that line because you're my boss. But once you do it's on. I guess if Dave fires the first shot then. Yeah. Like, what are you? I mean, if you, you have to prepare you have to prepare for battle Briggs port. He was not prepared. I mean he he was shocked and he did like the like we're number one look at my shirt, sort of thing. And whereas Dave is like his brain immediately whether is prepared or not. I think it was natural off the cuff, you think it was prepared either way he's saying, if I get a public. Moment to use it to embarrass blues fan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I don't think it was prepared in the sense that he said, hey rigs, if we get on the no, no, no? I'm going to know you the shit out of you. But he I think he knew if we're getting on Simon's getting. Yeah. And it really was the perfect storm because the camera was so. Right. 'cause what I try. So if it was two days left, why was yeah. Yeah, yeah, I guess it would've been why that would have been Dave knows with the cameras that would have been even better. If y p because we. Why p wouldn't even like flopping around rigs would've probably going like, yes, boss. Well, have you boss, anything you need? I mean racist like around, like, why would have just taken any rigs? Just sat there and drank his beer, by the way like this series is over. That's it. I'm not I'm not there yet. But like it's, it's like when Roger finish his fucking ear the bucks were done. Yeah. Couldn't chug that bear. The Milwaukee was losing. It sounds ridiculous. But like Dave getting rigs ended that serious because in this world deport knowing has either a sold his soul, or be he is the devil himself and collects other people's souls and the think about it think about the stars aligning on this one. The Saint Louis blues are in the Stanley Cup for the first time in like fifty forty nine forty nine years. Okay. Have they ever they've never wanted to ever even been in it? How they've never warning. Stanley Cup for you. Now. The chance I believe is forty nine years now than they are in it already being already ridiculous. That, that team makes it and we have a couple of Saint Louis representatives. Also, the, the new version of borstal radio is with Riggs. So now he has his co host the host the barstool radio. His new, you know, sparring partner punching bag arguing back and forth guy. Now he is going head to head with him in the finals like that, that kinda shit, the stars aligning on that one. If Riggs was still just the four play guy, he would still be on video and shit. But the fact that it's like this is now on barstool radio together. And it makes perfect sense. I didn't even think of it that way. Ours, always align for Dave, and the content. And so now game one day, you know, y p we told by you will find a moment where you come to a crossroads where it's team. Portnoy versus the blues fandom, and at that point, you're going to have to decide and that's going to be a very pivotal moment for this whole piece of content. It happened game one. Immediately in the most dramatic form ever in the form of a Nogi on the Jumbotron, and he had his moment, like the story lines, just they this is not just by chance. This is written in stone. This is written in the stars and the series is absolutely. Oh, it's like we talked about this week. We talked about it after the Super Bowl like this. I mean obviously the patriots just went all the time it was kind of an anticlimactic superman when they lost. And in smitty, it turned into the shower thin and the rough and rowdy thing and Dave still ends up clowning him when he loses it comes up page view. But that's when I saw that happened last night. And then, of course like the wipe angle because for the last two weeks, why has been so adamant that he's not going to have to make an allegiance one way or the other, which everybody knew he was stupid. But as soon as that happened, it was like this. I can you imagine a radio is going to be like today? I can't wait six and they don't have a game tonight. So they're just going to scream at each other. It's like well coming up for cloud. They don't fight over again. The mix who like fights is, is a he's not like Dave de doesn't handle the, the Boston reign of terror the way Dave does. But he does it in his own final Burg way where. It's very almost more infuriated infuriating in a way, it raises like quiet calm. Cly games. He really does know shit. Like I was talking to my brother about earlier. It's like he's always proclaimed winners like you know, he's like the Bruins like they're gonna win the Cup like he knew when they had a Cup contender. He's always known when the patriots are like, like even when they're looking bad in the early season. He'll be like now this team's gonna win and like the loss of the eagles. He really wasn't that, that like cocky, he it really is your first game that video is still one of my time out fights video from the opener against the chiefs is still one of my yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He's just a heirloom lecturing everybody at Foxboro, but they just these things, this is how it's going to go for Boston. Justin, what do you got on Dave's lock? There yet. So I'm in there I'm seeing his stuff last night, like they're up in the upper deck, because he's like, trawling China be the average hockey guy and all that shit, and everything always seems to work out, her fit for that motherfucker like they put the camera on him everyone in Boston realizes that have, and then all of a sudden, you know, he's rigs and they should just always seems that habit at every event like he goes dead legs and the at when he gets carried out, but the NFL he just it's so perfect with all this stuff. And I swear he doesn't plan it like there something is not right. Well, okay. Here's a here's he, he, he, he, he has sold his soul in, in one regard. I it's written in, in the stars and the other regard. It's luck because, you know, all of this shit breaks his way. But it's, it's all he it's talent. It's not a talent. It is. It's a talent. The what what he does like the Super Bowl was a moment. It's your need the material to work with though. But once you have that material, it's like. It's like you, I gave him the, the world, the universe has gifted him this mound of clay, and he makes. Yeah and Michaelangelo the case the talent to do what he's done with it. Jared went magin arrested, basically, when he had the whole world thinking he was arrested at the Super Bowl, he was arrested. He was not a he wasn't in jail. He was sitting at a hotel and watching it. I will he was in jail, Frankie, like went down there. They let him out before the end of the game. Right. But by Frankie to to allow the world to like believe that and to go dead legs to we web like I've been wrongly arrested while I'm just still watching the game and letting it all unfolded was a masterclass in blogging, blogging. It used to be like, are you a good writer? And now it's like can you create reality TV scripted plotlines, right? He can do it. Reality. Yes. Thinking reality making it not reality. But it's still reality. Yes. You talent man, he's acting. And the supporting cast has no idea that they're actually. Exactly what was that movie of Truman show, ask, it's very ever. See the movie was. Oh, there's a bow finger, some shit what you guys are filming a movie that looks like a reality show. And nobody else even knows their part of it is it's, it's him and his cameraman and you don't realize it. But you are the best supporting actor. Yeah. And he does it better than anyone else. He can do it on a whim. And if you're not like that's what I said, I would I would go into a thinking every possible angle. What if we get on the Jumbotron? What if we if we get called down to do a puck drop? What if we have to do a interview on the glass in between periods? What if what if what if what if we get called down to do like the halftime or inbetween intermission, like shoot the puck for a million dollars? How Dave embarrassed me what is he going to do to me, and I have to have my own responses, you have to have all of that mapped out. Yeah. And I don't think they had any of it. They didn't have anything mapped out. Why are they sitting so far? I don't know if that was for a fact or if I'm sure it's not just super easy to get two million dollars. But I mean if you have to sit all of those people together like if Dave wanted to go sit by himself. Maybe but if for content. Gonna be buying like five tickets for. I don't know. I mean how much? I mean, say they're fucking two thousand dollars. Each day will drop ten grand in a heartbeat. Yeah. But even funnier. In the nosebleeds. I mean their backs were against the wall. Right. He can't World Series your fucking five rose from the field for the country. John from Philly. What do you got on Nogi gate? Hey, so I've been driving for the past five hours. And then thinking a lot about this just because like the way Rick spotted to the milky by what a hack I push down that was his fault, but his arms went up and started flailing. It looked so much worse than it would have been. And I'm thinking, just like damage control situation. I don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I thought you almost have to like flip off the camera. And just like get it off as fast as possible that back way. That backlash might be shorter live than this, because just the content of video his arms flailing gets really coupla. He's like the, the fucking car wash man. Katainen net. It's tough man because it was it was a sneak attack. It was cheap shot. And it was a blindsided attack. And I don't know what you're supposed to do. I mean, I can't think of what I would do other than like I said, if I had to be ready, I would have splashed it on them. Other than that. What do you do if someone if you didn't realize I was going to do it, and I just put you in a tough headlock like in hard, as I could even if you get out of it for the split second, you're on camera, you're going to be flailing like, so you can't like smoothly get out of a headlock in a matter of split seconds. Even punch him with your arms are stock because of the rigs in that moment, if you didn't see it coming, you're not going to react to it. You're going to like you almost have to let it happen. Yes. I mean, even rigs to a degree, it's like you have to know that Dave is Dave, and he's the boss. And if he wants to give you a Nogi you have to sell. Wrestling. I what I think I would have done. And I even think his, his tweet afterwards like basically throw IP under the bus. I think you've got to be like, you know, l Pez one like me and me and why Ps zero. We're like, but the next one's our, you know what I mean? Like you just one just one game one with Nogi. But now that they have to come up with something right? Because there is in the moment to stop the game you just have to respond in kind with your own nugget. Right. But the effect is rigs flowing around like you have to sell the moment if he's just sitting there, letting it happen. And it's like well, this is weird. But see, that's what's also not fun is like I would love to say, like I actually really do the, the way that hub is like did all that for content. While utterly demeaning was like it was for content. I, I appreciate anybody who's self deprecating enough to, to let that happen for content. The problem is made him though, like I like hubs, hubs got elevated so much even the done stuff too. That was like very very he got put on Sony humiliating. But it radars from getting drug through the mud and I would love to think that if you're on camera like the problem is, and I don't, I don't know if people realize this or not, it's not like after that happened that Dave leans over to rigs and he's like your good stuff that's going to get a lot of us. Yeah. It's, it's, it's real. It's just cloud. You I'm better than you, and you suck and so on some level, we're doing this for content and for jokes, and for money and fame, and for happiness and whatever. But on some level, it is definitely like a personal Manley. You know macho shit, there's more of it. I mean Dave doesn't it's good though. Yeah. Like it's not, but I don't even think it's cave. I think it's just real they've said, when we had blogger school, one of the things that he said, was he threw me a compliment is like I like when people can't tell if it's real or is fake? Yes. 'cause I don't break cave. All right. Do I do on the show? Somebody outside of here. Iraq, it won't. They everytime meet people. Yeah, you're you're getting your experience. Yeah. But it's also different when it's like you just being whatever you are to the fans versus like. If you're too, like at the phone, call move, the Dave keeps pulling like never at the end of it is like now it's funny right now. Ruins it the effect, he tweedles, and you would think that like on some level, maybe like they've been working with them for ten years now that maybe even he and I would have a moment of, like, you know, was good or whatever you guys have a hug before and have for now, never, there's never, there's never been anything like that. And that might be more of a testament to like me and his relationship, but I also would do with anybody maybe like Gaz like in behind closed doors, you would mention something again, to hug me. I can't I mean I can't ever picture that. But the Christmas almost commitment to the content, I wanna say the character because I do think it's him now but the commitment to the content is insane where it's like even even giving up a shred of it behind closed doors to someone who works here, it'll ruin it even a little bit. So I'm not going to do like let's say let's say Dave just. Someday, like ten years from now and they wanna do like a documentary on his legacy. And they pull all other. No never know it would be one of those documentaries, where it's just like the story told through the people that he was closest with. Yeah. Like he wouldn't even get interviewed. Now, it's like a story told through us a lot of us would just be so fucking confused. Yeah. What just happened like we would try to explain Dave to people like, you know, a lot of people that can make contact on their like what's he really like? No, that's I don't know. And that it almost it almost makes me feel stupid because I'm like, I'm just a pawn to just the same as the schmuck watching at home, and I'll fucking man. Yeah, I'm is in the dark as you all right? What you see is, I, I wish there was, I wish it was, like you know, Minsk Manley he you know, we sat down and went through the scripts and like this is the character, we built or whatever, you know, when, when he tips, his hand when this is, is there's been moments that I've had with him where I call call them on something be like is this real or not? And then like he'll say. One thing but he for some reason, like in his one of his is you've seen it to you. Squint cine smirks like he'll give you I was going to say a little bit in, in a pretzel, but he's not going to hide. I wouldn't have said it says is, I think it's usually a smirk of some sort when you really got he kind of goes, he does like shrug. And like. You're talking about video that he tried to get Frankie to bury from college football season. Because I just totally roasted him on a take, and he did the eyes and the smile and he was, like, Frankie. I'm gonna need that to get out of here. Now. People here doing tweet it real quick. But he is suited Frankie Byrne that tastes, very rare though. Bernie Frankie was like, I'm going to have to burn the tape. I was like over my fucking dead body burn this team. This is North Korea. That's what's tough is. Like why is so emotionally invested in the blues that it's tough to also be on guard in blog world? Like he's just part of him is like the, like the little boy hockey fan on the inside. It was like, I can't believe it. Like my blues are in the final, and even he was like, he was I knew I knew we were in trouble when he was like, excited that Dave was going to be in Saint Louis with with, you know, in his mind it was an accomplishment, like we I put the blues phantom of Barcelo sports, I put on the map and now I'm bringing the whole company to my town to show him. And that's what I was like. Well, you're, you're not you. This is your enemy is your enemy for the next two Dave responding. And it was like, no I'm Br bringing you that. And I know on some level, it's like come on duty meant like you know, he's pumped up barstool. We're going to be in his hometown for this show, but you have to realize that anything like that for David and a game. It's not a fucking game. Nogi was not a game. I mean that was the game not a game. I really do. I compare it to the Aaron Rodgers chugging the bear like the Bruins are gonna win the Stanley Cup and might as well be. Zuma's anyway. Like Dave and them get involved. And it's definite. And then there's this Nogi, and then it's just absolute. It's like the why the Nogi curse, by the way, mardi mush. This is going under the radar mardi mush just got like he his curse is worse than Drake's. Did you see all that happened? He took the bucks in game six, and I was like, well, it's either going to be you or it's going to be Drake is wrong and Marty. But it's just one game. That's not a curse. Well he. Yeah, but I mean he's right. The Drake hers, the drink. I took over video from last October, where he said it was before the sixteen to one Red Sox Yankees game where he was like I've never been more cold for the Yankees than tonight. I think the Yankees and I was like more you much, don't get me wrong mush curse is stronger than the drinkers. That's, that's his old claims. Marty tweeted it. He was like, I, I have now mushed myself harder than the drinkers let's take won't call before the break. We gotta talk about drink. I got I got I'm interested to hear what you guys think on him Mike from jersey when he got on AB hockey. So they Bruins jacket buddy always when it was all the time. And he said, it's his lucky charm. And why peas been going to the games where the same thing all the time? I think you gotta figure out a way to get that jacket where wind or something with days. Yeah, I mean that's gonna do. Now, this, this is exactly what you have to do. Mike is right. You got to start thinking of the angles, you got to start thinking of what can you do that's going to hurt, Dave because, you know, a Nogi Nogi is now going to be on his resume forever. You got to respond and do something that, you know, I don't know folk with his pizza review fuck with his lucky jacket, you know, I wouldn't want to do that. Like you kinda just have to like the Nogi to me it was monumental because of the way that the game unfolded from there. But if you retaliate, you're only gonna make Dave's strikes worse. You're just throwing gas on the fire. Yeah, you're just like operate at a one speed don't let them kick up the five and then you're just use rolling over and dying. You're not you're smart about it, but you're hunker down. And you're not gonna try anything there's a storm coming. You just gotta get in the basement and hope for me. I personally know that if I like I'm not I'm not that type I can't I'm not gonna like script something, you know what I mean? I can't come up some plot. I'm going to be hopefully prepared. Like I said, I'm going to go through every fucking scenario. Yeah. But I also don't roll over and die. I don't think it's a roll over and die situation. I just think it's a protect yourself and hope for the best. I mean that's different. That's waving the white flag. That's just like I mean, if you lay down and curl up in a category. Five hurricane that's just like coming through unbeatable. Yeah. Yeah. You might not be wrong Brown. Speaking of juice, OJ guys, this statement from O J the jar you probably seen this at all right? Okay. This this'll be great. This'll be great to just get Jared's like blind reaction. So this is from TMZ. Or page six. Sorry. My, my alumni, so OJ Simpson bragged that he had a steamy sex affair with Chris Kardashian, Kris Jenner. The mother the mother, you know. Right. Definitely his kid. Right. So it'd be for even knowing that a conspiracy theory, jurors so that was his that was his lawyers wife. Yep. Right. Yep. Simpson said that him and his then wife, Nicole Robert and Chris were all in, jacuzzi one night, while vacationing together, this is this is from a new documentary called who killed Nicole, Nicole and Robert turned in leaving OJ and Chris and hot tub already like super weird going to couples like trip and you, you start swinging like that. Like everybody's fucking everybody. Yeah. Right. Anyway, so they're in the hot tub alone, and OJ stood up pulled down his shorts and the this is the guy telling the story. So I'll give you exactly what he said, quote. This is oh, Jay talking her eyes bugged out of her head and I fuck that bitch until I broker. Oh, yeah. Certainly believe it's like Kris Jenner has said of the past that has never happened, of course. Murderer at the same time, like OJ Simpson's on a great guy. Can't you see him making this up? No. I mean heard Dr looks like OJ Simpson. Well, he also said he didn't own it. It's one of those things where it's like. Yeah. Is O J Simpson trustworthy. I guess I suppose. No. But can you believe sometimes, you know, we're talking about CD like distasteful things. And in that case a murderer is probably the most believable guy in the building. Yeah, it's probably only got telling the truth. He's not telling the truth here. Oh, by the way. So, like, you know, he said, I fucked type broker literally he said that it had to take her to the hospital, two or three in the morning. She came into OJ's room and said, can you take me like he said? No, he said, they'll have robinhood have your husband do that. I only until you broke your what, what a class act. She's OJ Simpson is damn goddamn. All right. This was it for. Alad gum. I like started Alec sun. Learn we're back our number two here on C, C K. We're now joined by page sporadic. She's in town. How are you? I think it's actually the first time we've ever met person are now we've got him on radio around the year with you. I don't know. I never I never know. Because I we meet so many people through, like Twitter and the internet and stuff. And I never know him like real friends yet. Or are we just internet friends? And so now we are both by. An if, if you want to be friends with me. We could be France. Okay. That's fine. That's fine with me right in the middle of the McHenry fight with her. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But he was sitting there with his fidget spinner. And I was like getting distracted because he was just like doing spending freeze. Man. Yeah. Took over for a long time. Yeah. As I was in deep, you, you can do like the double. Oh man I was flying. I had all sorts of toys out. Yeah, we've, we've been we've been to battle before we've been in mud, but I don't know. It sounds like you guys row last night. And I was in part of that. So it's all right. Mogul. Sorry. Well, no. Because actually yesterday is the first time that page, and I met in person, even though we like, totally girl crush all of your other on Instagram. Right. That's what I mean. Yeah. So I mean, I guess technically you could have been invited since it was first time. Well, I would have liked to seen the corrobos food experiment. Page conducted. It was it was a lot. It was a long are. So dramatic is a lot like I don't I don't venture out very often. She can figure and French fries. Instincts, hipster, because he was like I've never had an avocado before. Now, Mike that shocking to me, like, how have you never tried an avocado knee like I've never tried it tomato or other vegetables? And I was like, well, we're going to fix that. So last night, we got brussel sprouts, but she likes Russell tries tomato, which he did not like our rather, like Frank tanks though. Almost puking never never strawberry. I think tomatoes is the weirdest of all a tomato like who the fuck is just like eating tomato. No. No. Burgers, burgers, you have a salad you have sandwiches. He loves pizza. You never have. I've never had like an Italian combo sandwich, where it's like all the lunch meats and all like lettuce tomato oil early take it out. But like you understand that it's like it's a very common thing. No. You light tomatoes. I'll yeah. Like pizza. I like marinara sauce like catch-up you like everything that's made with tomato. Yeah. I just don't like tomato. I love tomatoes tomato like an app bite into a big amount. And it's kind of like saying, like, you know, like you love Paul McCartney, but you're not a big Beatles guy, shut up so so sh- so you sit down. And this is this is this is where I'm almost, I'm laughing at you, because I mean, there's I think there's a very short list of people who get you eat, an avocado, don't cross sprouts and whatever the fuck it was. Had a child. And so we are doing little games like I was doing airplanes. Recorded the whole thing. Coaster, and then for Brussels sprouts house, like you know, they look like little lettuce heads. Like your giant just imagining small. He likes broccoli. And I was like, oh, broccoli like, don't give me this shit about tomatoes and went out of your unity broccoli. No fucking Brooklyn. I know so it's like. If you ever like Brockton. I mean no, it doesn't. Yes. It does. Which she's it's as very I mean you could give me like a plate of pennies, if you melt cheese on it with taste good. I'll eat anything of Jesus's melted on it. I guess I could understand again, like Frank the tank, it's nothing healthy at all. So when he had anything green or HAMAs, he like started the vomit. If you dabble with Rodney Mack like some nausea with tomato. He if you've seen the videos of the babies when they eat a limited time and they are so dramatic. He not only looked like that. He put his head down on the table, as if he was about to throw up and page cut this tomato. Like what like maybe the size of like the small party or pinky, like it was, maybe this kind of enter to so. Yes on and part of it wasn't even the seats. No, here's what happened. Kevin. It's too. Yeah. The shit. Talking our waitress to or waitress was mind blown, I may, I may the two of us. The two of us run doing like the strawberry allows like whatever touch that tomato is not going into, and she's looking at at page and I like what the fuck is going on this, like special on. Yeah. He asked me how all I was. Because I thought I had never had a strawberry before it. Which, by the way, I like the strawberry was very good against shocker a shop, actually. Yeah. I've, I've prepared for this like, I've had strawberry ice cream in taste very simple nervous Nelson. He put his mouth. And he was like. A huge smile on his face, like this is delicious of strawberry. Was the tomato was that the texture that was the prominent. So even if I have, like we took out. Yeah. If I have like pasta raviolis, or whatever I will scrape like the sauce off. I like a hint of it. I'm not trying to get over wellm by it, and I'm with you. I don't like marinara sauce and like fucking eating the tomato felt like I just like fucking took like a spoon apostle, as like, oh, yeah, this is great. Like I would never I wish you guys can see his base right now. He's like. I would never in a million years, have a tomato ever again. I don't care who's Choo Choo in that ship into my mouth. It's not happening. Never. I'll try I'll shoot you right now. You're too, yeah. A pretty girl. So you could she'll get you to eat anything. I mean, I, I don't pick trash out of that. Can right now you can't okay let's see it kept going. So, like I had never had either of those things last night. I thought like just the Brussels sprouts, I was like, all right. I can do this. This is fine. You understand is pretty backwards. I think like brussel sprouts gross like most people. The highest thought he was going to hate the brussel sprouts. No, I can I mean Russell sprouts is like the cliche, like each brussel sprouts like they're gross fair. These were also like flash fried to. Yeah. Of they delicious. Yeah. They weren't like straight up brussel expert, I honestly think this is this is a real Pinon. Oh, great can't hardly have to qualify that before you say it was a real. This is Jared talking. Oh, not the racket. The rockets break for one second cartoons of the reason why kids don't wanna eat vegetables off that when you're watching cartoons all of them like train you'd be like ooh vegetables, discussing. But like do. But it's cool to hate eating vegetables, because I know what you're talking about. I used to think this net, it's not true. There's, there's something like innate about, like even I, I poured a bowl of we all these girls like love what I watch Keegan and shape pick all the marshmallows out of lucky charms by themselves. Like, never watched me do it. They don't know why they did it like they want the that fish for let's say want. But there's, there's things that they're like drawn to. And there's things that the human Aung is just now down. I agree with you. Your home is part of the whole cartoon thing. But there's a reason why like they don't fuck with it. Yeah. You can definitely get addicted to sugar, but I'm just saying that cartoons train your brain. I mean if they're not like. Mike while he's been doing has the kids are not watching these cards forty. I just had my first Brussels one hundred percent. That's on something on you. I, I had this idea. I tried to do with my dog. And now I'm trying to do it when like humans where I was like, I'm just not even I'm not even going to give my dog like treats that are bad for him because he doesn't know any difference. So like my kids broccoli and be like this. This is delicious. No processed sugars are carbs or anything bad. They're not gonna know any different. They just do. Like I tried to do it with with vegetables. It was like, oh my God. If this is your dessert, here's your green beans, and she was like, get that walk out of my face. There's just something. I said, I hope she actually did. I would love it. Book. You know, he says a couple of funny things she I never there's never been a full blown curse except what key, can you that he was trying to say something like he was trying to say like truck and it sounded like fuck average over and over like shea Wilson that God Jesus and stuff like that on the come cry. But I'm telling you, man. I know what you thought. I thought the same thing it's just off Cape. Why do why do I have to out myself? You're like clearly there is something that you've never tried before that it's probably a kind of weird. There's a lot of that in this office, Gaz never had sold bagel. That's crazy. 'cause bagels are Brock as yeah, we're delicious. Brussel sprouts may accidentally not have a strawberry. Oh, so I, I mean like I'm saying like the way people just the reason for that, I told you, I said, because my dad is allergic to strawberries. And it always like I didn't wanna like find out if I was to, because I wrote will close up and you can't breathe. I was like, well, that's not happening to me, because I'm not having a stroke. One excuse out of like all of the food groups that you have you won't damn pages kill shot. I have tried, but I hate bananas, but you did the thing because, you know what I wanted to, like bananas. They're very convenient. You can of just like it. That's fine. But you're never going to eat it like some guy because I tweeted mind blown guys never had an avocado. She's sub tweeted. Do I saw that? I didn't know it was either knows you. I've never had an apple I've ever had MAC and cheese. I've never had it was. Chills. Weird Bush, like I don't know it look gross. I'd ever wanted it. I was like, how do you not like cheese and pasta but carbs, cheese. She here. Here man. You can't you can't grow your whole life, without MAC and cheese. That's a that's a crying. Shame. I was eating MAC and cheese at ten AM during the fall ash show. Delicious. I doubt Pinera I think there has there's a lot of things, but I don't think anything normal like, like you know what? I don't like like I'll eat fried calamari. But when the octopus is just like the octopus like when you. Drawl. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'll have. That's another weird thing. That, I'll I love Francome, right. But not fried. I'm saying when it's like white just never. Okay. I've never had. I'm willing to try. I, I'll do I ordered it. I went to Red Sox game and I ordered it and I looked at it and then wondering sushi at a Red Sox game. I mean, I'm sure it's fine. But if you're in the I know, I know I've, I've been in that she fucking club, a few times, even though, but to try it for the first time you have a different if you eat gas, sushi, you need them. That's not bad athletic Momenin. But for his first time he needs to try something like super high end. I've had the sushi in that exact club, your timeout. It's good. But it's not what you need to try for the first time. Okay. Dallas wants to be my first you wants to take my sushi virginity. He keeps saying, like no like it's because he the loves the sushi out on the west coast. There's like if we're going to do sushi, we're going to do it, right. Like I'm gonna take you a nice place. And I was like, okay. See, I just get the I get the Philadelphia rollers just twenty the cream cheese. It's loaded up means it's just you don't do you know what? Cream cheeses. Sure do. Yeah, it's got three and she's in it. So I'm saying, I just salmon and cream cheese. Oh, rice that sounds great. Yeah. It's like like bagel with likes sometimes they have little shreds. If you cover. Number. I don't like you never had it. You come to me, or just don't. Let me taste. It was like never had zucchini. Never had cucumber never had a key. We never had a key. I don't know if I've ever had a Kiwi. I love Kiewit. He was good. I'm sure it's good. I just kinda rare coming across key construct berry. No. Probably student. The green right right inside outside both now outside green inside the insides, green. The outs Brown Brown. It's like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. You know what? I've never had a peach peaches. Yeah. Never had a peach pear page. I need to do. We need to bring in, like just random definitely never had a Plum, fruit platter cut it up. And just have these are all children. Yeah. Plums prunes printers pizzas amount with the Ps are good prunes are ease fuck off fuck peas pizzas, belli's side. I preface out I was like, I'll try whatever you put in front of me, except for Ps. Oh, I meant things that start with, like, actually I'll crush P. All your fish crush pity peas and mashed potatoes. Just gonna say, oh, mash that all up together oca-, I'll eat that just like when I when I'm we're doing, like thanksgiving like filing need the Turkey. Just give me the mashed potatoes and size load that shit up a piece so good. I'll put the peas into. Like the mashed potato like a mountain. I let the greyhound volcano little, like all right. Loaded up wild hypothetical. But if I ever gotten trouble at this company, and Dave is like you either need to pay a five hundred dollar fine or eat a plate of peace. I would pay him a grand. How about to grant? Where's where's the line five grand five grand away? Four thousand dollars. You're eating and played a piece. Nope. Yes, you are. I'm not yes, you come to four thousand dollars rocket. Yeah, there's a lot of money. That's, that's a nice pair of shoes. Nice jacket and shoes. No shock it. I don't need. You can't have too many. I'm fine. What's the what about you? Have you ever eaten like, what's your what's your like if you eat like puke mushrooms mushroom? I like mushrooms are crazy mushroom steak Elliott. Yeah. I mean I like to, but I but they're also like the textures growing never so. So but then when I got older, I was like this is really the opposite of an acquired taste. Yeah. That kinda gross. Nope. They're very geared. You mushrooms like hallucinogenic? No, you, you. I've never done drugs. No any drug ever. Now never done either smoke weed. No damn no heroin. She up on that. Mandel max at all is drink used to not anymore. Ninety more not even like a glass of wine at dinner or like you'll just talking about this last night. Like I don't just drink to catch late drank, like, if I'm gonna drink I'm gonna drink to like get drunk, so you get time but not anymore. Now not really how old you twice ex. Yeah. We were talking yesterday about like, when hangover hangover to kick in why I had the absolute worst hangovers. And I got like super hammered sorry, mom. Kinda strange, and it was from my friend's birthday and I was laying in my bedroom, and I was looking up, and I was like, I'm gonna die like this is how I'm going out like everybody's not those feelings. There's like the people. Learn from them, and there's no, there's the hangover you're like I'm gonna die. I'm never drinking again. But you know in the back of your head, like, come Thursday night, you're going to happy hour, but then everybody has their first one where they're like, I think I need medical attention. And I seriously. This time not working. Flu. That's the thing. I unfortunately you're not allowing. Yup. Steve from Pennsylvania. He wants to talk about Jared's palate. But he got Steve. Sure. Yep. Or first of all, bro. There ain't nobody to fucking cool to try teeth. No, I'm not saying to cruel. I'm just saying I will throw them up immediately. It's not. Pay money than than EP. Yeah. You for stupid Jews on your Stig lakes stand, you're a loser, bro. I use on those it he's out. And that's just the guy that was just mad at the world. And just wanted to be ridiculous that you wouldn't just eat peas you'd rather pay money, but I have no idea what that has to do with your tattoos. No, he's, he's, he's hater. He hates the talented Bill from Boston. But you got. See crew, what's happening. You guys ever fucked with hybrid fruits, like fluid, like a plumbing and Africa. No. What other the long line of hybrid fruits out there? So if you only like a select few fruits, they hybrid that shit, then you have a great. Can you have like a lime orange tree or? You know, my house in college station somebody that worked in horticulture department at an lived there. I could that, that strawberries ago Whitestream is eat that cost three. Yeah. Oh, I don't like that. There was like a plant in my backyard, that's still there right now that it was limes, and then it would change into lemons. And then it was at some point a Lorne she was like half an orange limit and it wasn't. They like cross pollinated these trees, and like they weren't good enough to really use like we would use the lines like for tequila shots. They weren't great. But the first time I ever saw it was like how is this tree, producing this and come to find out, they had just cross pollinated it, and it was a Lawrence street? Don't they have been apples to apples are wet look? I'm looking at a Kiwi banana right now, but a banapple this should be good for you. Come on. This is like I might be making what does it? But in apple. Yeah. No, I think be know. Jared top it looks like it's like desserts and stuff of that. But I'm not looking at actual banapple. There's a place copen apple. Okay. You can make things up on the show. No one will fact check you. That's the fact check. Now, actually, I was more like I just want to see what a fucking banapple looks like. So are you not golf much anymore or what you sound like you got, like hate in your heart for golf? I'll also play all the time. But I mean I've done it forever. So it's hard to like wake up and have that motivation to wanna play when I'm not trying to play, professionally more. We gotta get gotta have something on the line. That's why you gotta get rigs back out there running around and thongs and weird shit like that. But he ever beat you bet. Slayers. Oh. Due to did they steal your jacket. I mean it looks like he picked the wrong data wear that jacket because this is for sure. My look now not has the problem is his jackets, probably like seventy five hundred bucks. And yours is by, like, that's that was an expensive one. This was an expensive jacket that he's wearing right now is the one you tried to take away from our. Oh, you're wearing his Jack. Yes. Yes. He turned into a suit guy after that. This is the first time I've seen him not wearing a suit and probably like fucking five months. Well, that's where I got a kid, just like come out of being soup guy. I mean, what should go supervise a TV? No. That's not by the time. I see him Matt sorry. We're not to resume mushroom talk. Another time I see him in a suit like when he goes on advisors when he goes on. Fox's and like the Kentucky Derby. It's it soup guy. Every now he wears sued a lot like he started into this office wearing a suit, unless he's going on TV. Yeah. No that you were in. This is not a good excuse. You need to I'm going to. We're going to just. Attend that didn't happen come with a different excuse for stealing his jacket. Hey, jared. Did you steal Dave's jacket? No. This is my jacket. I'm the jacket guy. He. Riva's stylish mice, right? As the jacket guide. Not dave. That's not true. But true two months, I go to jackets. Yeah, but you're the jacket guy. I've got more jackets than you. I went into his office, like two years ago when he had that jacket on his chair. And I was like, when you're done with that, can I have an and he because he's a millionaire is nothing to him. That's like a twenty five dollar jacket to me. So I asked him if I could have it when he was done with it. And he was like, check the price tag on that. Was it twenty five hundred silex at and I was like, oh, okay. So he's like, yeah, but he said he will give it to, to be fair, and I'll pay the picture here. It's just a black leather bomber jackets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So everybody's got some variation of it. But that one particular looks, they look identity. You have the exact same jacket on just made different yet for like fucking probably like. Eighteen hundred dollars last right now, the same thing happened. He had a blue suede jacket which was so fire, and then he'd never wore it ever, and it was like Royal blue cuff like a little bit more powder, blue rest of the jacket, and then Adidas came out with a jacket for like seventy five bucks that looks exactly like it. And I waited years like multiple years for him to where the shack it again. And he never did it. So I just bought the seventy dollars Jack minds, more of just like a like a zip up. That's a good job. Yeah. But his is like this, like crushed fuck in suedes, but his was, like two thousand four hundred thirty dollars more than my, but he was like, what the fuck you stole my jacket and I was like I did when I gave you like a two year grace, period. Right. And you never you never wore it again. So actually, why don't you just give me that the weather one? Well, we're coming up on two years, so but he's still not wearing it today. You sit down there. Coming up on zero years zero days, he's still ran right now. I'm not saying since the last time you wore it. I'm saying since I told him to give it to me. Well right later, if he's still wearing it, you might as well just chalk that up as an L. I know well when he's done with the better if I can advise you here on how to be a better jacket guy. A black leather bomber is just like a staple product, a staple thing of the wardrobe. So we all can have I mentioned that. Yeah. Sure. Because as soon as he sees you he's gonna can't wait. What the fuck. I don't think he's gonna say, oh, sure I'm sure he won't. I'm sure he'll be totally fine with his day porno. We'll, we'll be the earlier. He walked in. We looked at each other. He didn't get a good. Look how this is Dave's thing. He claimed he claims he like, invented all clothing. I guess. He's. Oh, he knows exactly. Eighteen months behind final Burg. And then claims even invented things do you not remember, whenever you started saying, you're using his hair product, and then you put we put a picture out of you? And he was like that better. Not be my hair. Product, wasn't, I know, but the fact that he even wanted to make sure that everybody knew that it wasn't his? He's gonna look at that'd be like this is my look you know is. I mean. I mean as a compliment, if he's like actually saying that's my luck. Mike fuck. Yeah. I. Yeah. I mean it is like it's sad. But you do you do like wanna look like Dave? No. I don't. I mean you were like what hair product to you is I want to use it. Why, why would around asked everyone has a big cat, and I use big cats the most and then sneak into Dave's room at the Super Bowl, he's not going to do with Dave the fuck. That's not a sneak I say, what do you use, and he's like, it's in my bathroom, and I was like, can you come with me? So it's not weird that I want you to understand how this very much applies. You wanna look like someone if you're like asking, I just never had hair before. So I was like, all right. What does Dave us what does Dan us like, and then I interviewed Lucas g Lido in spring training. And I was like, well what the fuck do you use? You sexy motherfucker, and that I bought it and look. That's all well and good. If what you just did it with the wrong person as a fucking ass fast. Everyone and I bought everyone's shit. I bought Brett's shit dance shit and Dave's, and then I ended up asking Lucas, g Lido and that I've bought again all well and good. You just can't include Dave in that if you don't want it to be spun into something, I guess, I don't even think I used it. Like I, I think I maybe. My hair one time, but I never went out with this is not the most like chick thing in the world here. Like just what you stole. My look like bitch, stole, my local care because he was on Meeks. I was like, oh, yeah, it took me a while to get ready. And I was like, I usually just set two hours aside, 'cause I like Dubai hair. I'll take a break. I'll do my makeup. Don't take a break. That's so long where he doing. And I was like, well, how long does it take you an hour and a half? It doesn't take me an hour and a half to get ready. Like I give myself an hour and a half to like wake up every day. It's the same thing. A lot of bad like I'll lay there for a half an hour before I really have to. Once you start your process. How long does it take, like once I like get in the bathroom brush, my teeth shower and all that. Yeah. Forty five minutes. Still want it is. It's not because I got to like shave and then, like, all, like, here's my whole process. What you heard. What you wake you wake up take a piss brush my teeth shower. And then like all like shave like I'll shaven there with, like my face. And then I'll trim and I gotta blow dry. What do you say year and they're like, yeah, it's still takes time, like say. How long it takes to change my face time? Lion nicest straight. Okay. Yeah. Be careful with it. And then you blow dry you products. You get fucking. And by the way, I got a new pair of shoes on every goddamn day my feet, it takes forever to get my feet in the issues because it's like they're, they're tight as hell why do every day? I'm expansive nightmare every day, just give me flashbacks. He asked me what's what's Necas to by a couple of years ago. And I told him a pair any complaint. He couldn't tie them. He's like shoes don't tie the laces too fat. They didn't stay tie. You. Like, once I, I don't know. I double not them or something. You the only person I've ever met who just like I can't figure out that she shares. So the. No. You're not. Jared, you can't type God's with fucking bunny ears. I mean, no could you imagine? And if you were like dating Jared, what have you thought he was like the one and then you see him do bunny ears? I mean, I don't think I do bunny ears. Are you or do you not do you or do you not grab two loops and swoop? Find bunny ears. I mean, that's it's pretty easily defined thing. I don't know. I thought I time I shoot is just fine. I just stay tied God. Let's stay with you, man. Nothing big time wrong with you like what like us bunny ears tire shoes at thirty. That's what's wrong with never said that. I did you deny it. Yeah. But I mean I'm not I don't I don't. The problem is bunny. If I were to do that on what the problem is. I guess I shouldn't really be surprised. We should meet spreads with the pallet that Jared has, of course he's still ties shot. He's held. Terminal. What my godson eats Schroeder's good for you. What do you think the worst date imaginable is that's within reason we're match wing? Did you ever been? Guy took me to go bell. And I said, worst not bad now, but he like ordered this meal, and he was like, oh, I get a free taco. That's yours. And like that was, yeah. She ordered whole show talked you go hard talking. That was just in college. Yes. Damn a little more reasonable costs. No, no. At least, like, okay, don't order your girl. She's eager to you in Iran, there, eighty nine cents pro get her a couple Pokka. So what are we doing Taco Bell is bottom? I love Taco Bell. But I would never take girl. Get me like something. Yeah. Yeah. First of all, probably just avoid take it. You want to go to Mexican go to a nice restaurant. But if you're going to go to Taco Bell at least get her something right here. What was your worst? I was a first date, like we had, like hung out like at, like bars and stuff. It was like a first date, and I walked in and his family was there. Oh, yeah. Plans like here's my mom and dad. Yeah. Brothers and sisters. How old for you? I was twenty one what the fuck happened. She went on a first date, and like walk into the restaurant like here's my family. It was a row around a holiday. I think it was around eastern explainable though. Was it like or he planned our everyone come here to me? Casey leaving. I actually think that sometimes meeting meeting, the family gets, like blown out of proportion. Like when I first met on a date like well it was like early on. And she was, I was like, yeah, you wanna like hang out and go to the bar, and she was like, yeah, but I told my parents, I was going to meet them for dinner like it just kind of, like, kind of coincided. And I wasn't going to be like no early. I was like, all right. I'll say what's up to your parents or wasn't like I'm going to ask for your hand in marriage. Then, and so we had, like, really only hung out like maybe a couple of times, and I met her parents, but it wasn't like I'm meeting the parents sort of thing around here around now. That sounds. That sounds extreme about it was it also Sater first time hanging out the first day it was definitely not the first time we had hung out. Okay. Yeah. But there was some sort of miscommunication, because he, I think it was kind of the same situation. It was like, okay, he probably I say, said it was around Easter. So maybe he said, okay, I'll go out to dinner with my family, but then he also asked me out to dinner and his mind like, well, I'll just combine them. That just was not disclosed to me. No. That's all like, hey, we're on the way to dinner, by the way, like my brother sister, mom and dad are also going to be there and like how far like what is the proximity that we're talking at the same table? What? Yes, that's ridiculous. That's not even a date. That's just like, hey, by the way, we are. It's like, oh, there's my family and he had only five. He was like, oh, by the way, this is Casey. You can tell you, my girlfriend or now. That's all it's so nice to meet you heard someone about you don't ever just like, oh, it's nice to meet you family. It was a strange strange. Encounter. Was there a second date was that they're actually wasn't it? Yeah. That bad. No ice. Family was great. I wanna to move he's like, oh as soon as they meet the family family. I also package. I also just like all right. Like, what am I going to do sit here and be a bitch like I'm obviously going to have a good time, but it was not. I mean you can't do that. No, you can't. And I feel like out of long later. He was like I forgot to explain this to you. And I was like, oh, yes. That's a big time forgot mine, like first time hanging out meeting, the parents and or family problem with that as part of it. But like. Back mirrors time a hang out, and it's a date, and it's with your family. It's like how am I know? Like how am I supposed to be like that weird burden on not? But definitely I mean Taco Bell day it was going to be the worst page. But that's weird. That's what if it was out of the Taco Bell. You think you'll eat fast is free taco. Oh, well, that's cool. That's cool. You ordered all his food, and it was like, oh, without, you also get a free taco and here you go. Yeah. I mean, I've already talked about the ravioli date. Yeah. What was that? I went on a date with a girl, and we went to a place like an Italian place. And like I love raviolis house, very hungry. And I was like, I bet I can eat all these raviolis and like under like ninety seconds. Oh, I did I cleared. They'll have any like roughly. This is like a full plate is like a meal where you like, hold on, like all the tomatoes out of the way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. While you're doing this like cheer you on? No. She was just like watching it hard. He was like this is the word. Yeah. Now she's married now, but yeah, not not too. Sure is not, not to me. So like you finish. The Brad Bulis didn't think barb. I picturing put the napkin in your shirt to ready to white good faith, and then you're just like so what do you do for a living? The number one thing that the girls hate not every girl. But a lot of girls, they don't like to eat in front of guys and they definitely don't like to eat alone in front of guys. And I created both of those scenarios. So so you were done as done. Nothing gone down with my handful. How old are you? This is two thousand and eleven so God, Tony too old still too old. Yeah. God, you wear the worst. Yeah. It was awesome. I loved it. It was awesome. Asam man awesome time. I don't even know what I would do in that scenario because I don't care about eating in front of guys. I don't know if I've ever sat a date with somebody that I'm not seriously. Dating eating alone. Like I don't think I'd be able to do that, like Syria. I've eaten in front of like my boyfriend alone, a million times. But, like was it a first date that stuff gets weird? I feel like people get weird about like, are you going to drink or not should, I drink or not? I don't wanna be the only one drinking. And it'll be the only one eating I get it. It's all we're order for you. Oh. That is so weird. I have never once considered doing that. And I think that is like on a year, either, like your old old school thing or your douche where you're sharing. So, I think or I can imagine if I was like, like my took you to a very unique spot that I knew and you didn't. And I was just like a conversation. Here's here's our words. He's like I got this is family style. Or like let me, you know get this with the special whatever, but even then I think I would recommend it to you. And then, like you can say it if you want, if you were like, hey, I recommend this seemed like why don't you just order for me, that's way different than just, I'm just show have show, the hard taco? Have you seen waiting? We've talked about this, the Ryan Reynolds movie where the guy sits out, and he's like, oh, have a Jack Daniels, and he was like, she'll have a water. Well, it's our anniversary. Give her coke. I saw a bid on Instagram Wednesday. When Whitney Cummings posted, it, she was on a date, and the waiter came and gave the Bill to the guy just like, you know, automatically gender roles and he like took it and like, like, thank you. My good man. And then it was like, slid it over to her, because she was the one paying she was like fuck that, like, I'll pay the Bill, but you don't get to take it from the waiter and make it look like you're the ones. Yeah. The credit you don't get credit for paying for it. If you're gonna ride my fucking amount right else, I get down with that. I like that. I think all the all the girls get offended by that or is it still like flattering like pays for things. I like when guys pay for things. Yeah. And I was so broke, I would just go on for like both of you are like successor live women like tries to pay for you. You like no, I make my own money. I'm good dude. I mean I will not let somebody pay for every single thing of mine. I will offer back. I can I can I think that's something that's still pretty much standard. Yeah. And it's like I also like, I'm not saying if I went out with her, I was like, I know she can pay for dinner. I'm not saying you broke it's still. It's just there Alecos. Yeah. I would never be offended if. Yeah. Go. It works. All right. Let's let's call it a day chicks. The officer up next page. Thank you for coming by make sure you follow page on all social media watch golf thing, and modeling and all their funny pretty stuff, and we'll be back same time same place tomorrow for a Friday this of c c k. There are certain times where, you know, we're gonna start the show and it's like what are we talking about today, and we're just gonna kinda, basically was just kind of wing it. And sometimes there's a lot going on. Sometimes we're just going to pick a couple of topics here or there. But the top of the show is often very much like on a whim. But I just said to tweet right now. I said you're going to want to tune into c- CK, right? Off the top right off the top of the show, because we're doing a little storytime here we go. We're going to do a little letter reading, because, because the love letter has arrived, and let me tell you something. It yeah. It is something you can't call that. A love letter not call. What I received in the mail today. A love letter. Casey, is it a letter is a letter. Yes. Is it written by someone who is in love with you? I don't know. I thought you just because he's a fucking creep doesn't mean he's not alone. This, you could call creep letter gross ladder, a creepy love hunter. I just preface before you read this that ebony brought it over to my desk. So I told her yesterday, I said, hey, there is supposed to be a letter coming. It's this whole stick that we've been doing on K for a little bit. If it comes like, please make sure that he bring it to me, as soon as you see it. So it doesn't get lost in the mix. Whatever she comes over. She hands it to me. I open it. I read halfway through hundred hand into Frankie. I'm Mike Frankie. I can't read this. Can you read it Frankie gets halfway through? It can't read it hands it off. And it gets all the way around everybody at the desks. And I don't know if anybody got all the way through it the first time through well Cuba's already on the line. Well about shooting me, call up at one one o'clock on the dot so he's and you know what? Keebler you're gonna sit right there for a little while. So fuck Keebler like half the letter was like shitting. I know what the fuck do that. Well, that's seems to be a theme here, by the way, everyone thinks they have to go through me to get Casey. I'm just the one that saying, hey, you need to have, like a certain set of standards before I would approve of it, and the to either like the bomb like or pimp, you're like, well, let's calm down here, but I have said on the record multiple times the two of you when it comes to content for these love letters, these poems wherever the two of you have to be involved. Yes. Because I'm not going to go on. On some unsolicited date by myself. So I understand that they have to get through you guys. But the shitting on both of you is gonna make me happier. They should on Jaren. Funny way they should on me and like very rude, personally. I like love both of you. Why would they want? Why would they want to go after you to my heart? That's just not going to work. So, so. In case you haven't been listening in the past couple months. This has been going on for a while a couple of guys have called in hitting on Casey, asking to take her out. Casey said, why don't you write me, a old school love letter? This is the first guy to ever actually follow through on the handwritten. Now I got those Valentine's Day Valentine's Day cards where where it started. There was some sex dungeon talks. This is just been a running theme for a while. But this little creep Keebler, who's four foot. Eleven has seen him before. Do we know what he looks like, well Rio winters and scream earlier? Oh, yeah. Definitely. Need to know what he looks like so that he can actually do that right now? Just so I can kind of have not, what's it called last FM or some shit last asked FM radio last FM radio? This guy is I guarantee his Instagram's gonna go private or be deleted any moment, because once the people here, your letter, my friend. I would also like it on record. I didn't know if we should even read this on the air, Casey, actually said that. Oh my God. You see this chest tattoo. Oh God like a gigantic, like bald eagle on his chest. Oh, no KC. Now, I will say this. I haven't looked at the Instagram rea-. This kid has a light is give him that picture with the girl. So he's talked to looks like hillbilly. She looks like he looks like he's trying to be on the bachelor, but he's from like Kentucky. Nice color is yeah. He does. I haven't looked at the Instagram at Rio. He has a chest tattoo that is like a gigantic like bald eagle or something like that. He's kind of got, like a faux hawk thing, going, which makes me want to kill them. Here's here's him in a fucking, bow tie, like like a weirdo. But, but overall overall on the binary scale of like ugly, or good looking guy, trends, more towards good-looking. He's not like he's not like a creature. No, no, no, no, no. Now. He's he's four foot ten confirmed Freeman species. Right. So, so just just as you had this in mind, it's not like he's like a five hundred pounds slob or like you know, he's got like no teeth or something like that. Like he's an actual human beings. He's four foot nine but he's like normal looking look. Well, you just hold on wait to see if he's normal. Well, normal looking I said, now, this is the letter which Evan waiting for you gonna edit some of that. I think I'm the only thing is, is you take a vote what and you guys behind the glass can do this as well. What she should raise your hand if you think I should read this verbatim everybody. For me every. Say again, before we get to this, there was, I watched every person that read this note, and I knew exactly what point that they were getting say, we're going to get you. I was going to say everyone's raising their hands. Go idea, a couple of words here where you're going to get into heaven, Kevin literally just said, all right. Everyone who's present that can hear this put your hand up if you want me to read this in a look like the people in the control room or doing the wave. But again, I could edit this a little bit. But everyone, I just want everyone to realize if you're tuning in right now, if I have been told to read this verbatim, and I'm not I'm not gonna be happy about saying, these some of these words, let's begin maybe can I get some music? Yeah, it gets in. We knew some, some soft like, romantic Jordan. Here's my concern. Is that if somebody tunes into, and there's no music that they're going to think that you're just talking this way. And I can't have that, like, I can't have you talking to me that way without people understanding, I might have periodic pauses, where I say, again, these are not my words, this keyboards words because if you tune in, in the middle of it, and you think that this is just my love letter to Casey or Milo, Leonard, anybody that you would wanna throw me in jail this, right? Here is pre crime. I feel like I'm going to have to deliver this to the authorities after this up there, where people I'm not going to name names to, because I don't want to throw them under the bus out there that were legitimately telling me that I needed to ask for high. They were there. We need to hire Casey a security guard three s a music. Let's okay. For a couple of years, the only girls that caught my eye barstool were Fran. Kate RIA, and E then one day listening to KFC and Jared, I hear the most amazing voice in my life. This woman sounds like she smokes a pack a day, and won't stop talking about Texas. I resent that line, by the way, I don't think the Casey sounds like no. And also, even if you did not a great star for a love letter. Now, thank you. I had to find out if KFC brought an ugly girl onto his show because he would probably try to fuck any hot chick in the office. When you when you finally said, your name, I jumped Instagram to find the most fuck -able girl. I have ever seen every photo on your. I g makes my dick tickle not even tingled tickle like that sounds like an S your dick should not tickle it should tingle. Maybe you're a lover of sports wearing that. Oh my God. She's wearing is wearing headdress. Yeah, you're a lover of sports wearing that tight red dress and the fact that you're a lover of the aggies lets me know. No, you're pretty easy. I started writing this on. Yeah. He's not great so far. I started writing this on paper, but every time I got done with the first paragraph. My handwriting would get progressively worse, mainly because you're I g would make me want to touch myself and my hands would start to shake. I say your name over and over again for inspiration, just saying your name makes my nipples go hard. KC K, A, Y C. It isn't spelled normally it's actually spelled like the runner up to a trailer park, beauty Queen contest, still saying your name makes me think of the most beautiful things in life the Grand Canyon the rocky mountains. And of course, your eyes, those eyes have seen so much, you survive cancer, progress in your career and have probably taken fifty seven Dicks to the face. I know once you see me all of that audio or by the way, all of that will be forgotten. You said to me that you were five eight and that you quote never go. Oh for someone shorter than you. If you live by that rule, you'll never find true happiness. I can give you more than you ever imagined. I promise every girl, I give my heart to the same thing. These are the three things he promises one I will eat you out every morning not caring if it's a little yeast. Ye Steve, but that would breeze. Kevin, I'll just spit on that bitch, and go to town. Number two, I will never flirt with another girl, so you don't have to worry about me. Pulling a KFC number three. I will never be douche. Let's be honest, no one needs to act like Jared's if you're looking for money, clean shot, I don't have it. You're looking for communication. I listened to your podcast all day. I don't want to hear your voice when I get home. If you need someone to trust I'll lie about how I didn't check out L E in the elevator. Don't focus on what I can't give you though, focus on what I can sex and lots of it. You'll always be the most beautiful woman in the room. You'll always bring a smile to my face. And I'll always go to bed thinking about you, unless France Francis this and lights, which he here's, I'll wrap this letter up with a quote, everything's bigger in Texas that stands, very true. Just by looking at you, your heart, your smile your generosity and asks, you will always be the love of my life. And even if you don't find this letter to open your heart to me, we can always agree. On one thing. Fuck. Jared, yours truly the shortest manual ever love Keebler. I just want to say everybody behind this glass, I turned around at that exact moment, when I knew they were gonna react, I think all of them were like damn. I wish you would've added. He's looking at your brother. I now upset yeasty. Yeah. That's a little yeast in action. Okay. Let's stop yeast. That's all that's definitely a line that he's probably used before. I feel like that's not something that you creatively, come up with and also sounds like some direct experience of you just spit on it. And like, yeah, that sounds like someone who was dealt with. China. Honestly, don't wanna talk about that's fine. I guess what we are. No, no better. But I don't wanna hear that word one more time down on you. Even when it's east e- every morning is it looks commit a leather couch is he is a he's a go getter. I mean he's four foot eight and it'll eat you realize. What, what's the real height? He's four foot ten now these five three. It doesn't matter if you're below five, you might as well be five four no this guy could be six five. This guy's a fucking. It just doesn't matter ultimate creep early job, you wrote you that letter. How would you feel Leonardo DiCaprio would never write me a letter? What if he did that what if he wrote that exactly if Leo said he would eat your UCD pushed she'd be like oh, yeah. Does it all? I just can't fathom Leonardo DiCaprio, how romantic he is in movies that he would ever write something like that. But the before you even get to that rule like Kevin pointed out there was like so many insult yet used, you took Fifty-seven Dicks to the face. You sound like you'd smoke a pack a daily talk about Texas, which is just false, your CB. What does that even mean got a big ass? And it sounds I mean, I'll take that sounds like he wants to fuck Elian Fran over, you keep mentioning them. Fran. Read that. And goes I wish my name was not in this. She was I really talked about that. Check out Elian the elevator. The only girls I caught his eye Frank. Adria L E the what he really did was put himself completely in a corner, because if he just freaked me out everyone like, oh my God. But then now he's also freaked out all the other girls, mentioning them in the letter, which, again is not a good tactic. Now, if you want to put a face to this, by the way, again, going and Ceram before he makes a private because I'm sure you already has last FM radio. Ray the second letter that I got like the little like caveat. Sorry, this took so long as you can tell my handwriting is awful. So I typed it up, if you like it, you have to follow me on I g last FM radio. He is, by the way, he also put his address on them bullet which is a wild man. That's like the scene in. Seven when the dude just walks into the police station. Comfortable. Thank you, just walk by and saw you holding. The letter goes. Everybody that's walked by that sees Kevin holding these two piece of paper. But you can't believe most of it is insulting to you. The only thing that is objectively like grossed out is the salon. I mean it's all creepy. Don't get me wrong. But I'm saying the only thing that makes you really you really drawing the line at yeast, these days ceases, a pretty tough one. I like UCF Jain is about the grossest thing I can think of end to put that in a love letter that's been hyped up for two months. He's trying to say that he'll love you. No matter what to look at the underlying message. He'll fit on that bitch, and go to town. He insulted, basically, my entire life. Yep. Well, I mean you said that you sound your name the benefit of the trail. Fifty seven Dick's. Yeah. I mean he went he went low on that you want conservative their castles. He went conservative. Maybe like, you know her senior year. God maybe yacht week. That. So I mean show we talked to him, I don't know. I feel like maybe this one of those, this is one of those things where again, I, I get mad at Jared on a daily basis, I talked to you, Kevin. But in reality, like YouTube are kind of the gatekeepers of this. I think he needs to talk to the two of you. I think he needs to hear from the two of you. Where if you guys give the green light to talk to me that you want to send you want to step out for a second. Yes. Why don't you wanna hear it? And I don't want to Jared. We'll talk to Casey. Now, are we going to talk to him as if talked to Cuba? We're going to talk to him as if we're like older brothers for. We're gonna talk to them like we're buds Kayla's try to get this check the Faulk you. There should be out. Good comeback. I feel like all right. Which one do you wanna do you be like, the, let's fuck grow? And I'll be the older brother, sort of thing. Okay. Okay. Keebler from Tampa. You creepy scumbag what's going on? I don't know why you're laughing laughing. All right. Hold up more. Everyone freaks out on me. I had two options here. I could write that love letter. Traditionally may get hundred felt and go from there, or I can make it the most memorable thing possible, and just go comedy central roast on and get everybody involved that way. No one will forget it. So I went that route well that you should have written to be like, read this one first, and then how it'd be like, oh my God. That's so adorable. It'd be like, read this one second, and it's not one or a true words, Smith can come up with a way to kind of capture. Both you don't be a complete fucking weirdo creep talking about yeast. But you still are clever. Funny enough to, to full. Very beautiful, like the Rockies and the Grand Canyon. Yeah. You did say that definitely. I again, I would take the over on the fifty seven. Dick's, but when you're talking about Casey, in this letter, I do think that you brought up the other like you might have had a shot if you like made her laugh with the even with the creepy nece, but if you were to rank on hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I mean, you did say she's easy if you went through the power rankings friend, Ellie and Casey. And then you also mentioned RIA, there any other that you mentioned Fran Kate rea- Ellie, okay? Power rank those girls Casey's still your number one or is Casey. I don't even I can't even use the word still because the sound me to rank every girl in the office now. No, no. Don't don't wear it on. Where does she just sounds like he's, he's not the top omit the other names, whereas Casey? Do things the coolest one. I know it probably what else has been. Yeah. I love I love cake. But you didn't see if she's number one or not. That just sounds like you don't like her. Yeah. That sounds like like you're a manager. Baseball team in the we're we're asking you if the pitcher is going to stay in the rotation like well we'll figure it out. You just said, she's cool. Yeah. That's like, when you know when you say like a factor was cute. I know for a fact. I know my short half, I know perfect. It would never happen, she's cool. She's hot to tell if I got opportunity. Absolutely. But that would I would never have our end. Did you think this was going to give you a shot? No. I just wanted to make everyone laugh the wrath off. Well, it made everyone you creeped. Everyone's ass out. How about that, man? Help do that. I remember calls. Well, you know, some people subscribed to the idea, there's no such thing as bad publicity. I don't know about that. Man. I don't know about that. I think if you're, I think if you're the little midget, he talks about east pussy, that's not the publicity want answer Kevin's question from before we brought you on. Have you had experience with, like where what was the inspiration for that line? Have you dealt with the pussy before? No, I was going for shock and on that one. And I would just like what is the nastiest thing I could come up with and that was it? Okay. Do you wanna talk to your girl? I mean we can. Absolutely, okay. Can you come back in, please? So Keebler has as has backtracked on pretty much everything and is saying while I was just trying to be funny. I was just going for shock and awe. I knew I didn't have a chance with her to begin with. So I was just going to try to make people as many people laugh as I possibly could are you does that change your opinion or your thought about this letter at all? Casey. I don't know. I mean yeah some of the parts are really funny. Obviously he said you've ever dealt with the vagina, he was just going for shock and awe. And that he you know, he the only reason he mentioned other girls because he thinks you're just so unattainable. But what about all the insults, where those come from? Going for more like I was watching comedy, central roasts that night, and I was going for like a basically a roast of everybody. So basically roasting you at the same time, which I thought was a good touch in my opinion. Yeah, usually what I'm trying to fuck. Somebody added roast their whole life. Okay. All right. So you're seeing I had a chance eighteen gonna go ahead and save that. I'm just saying that you hype this up as if you thought you how to chance. And in my opinion, I was like, well, let's see if this guy is what can Shakespeare with a love letter in. I've always been told if you can make a woman laugh, I didn't laugh there was. No. There was no lab. That's where I think you have grossly. Miscalculated ways brought this letter up to me and she put it on the table in front of me. And I thought I didn't know it was a letter. I thought she was like, presenting me like a five million dollar lawsuit. I just want to also let you know, because now the this out in the open that I didn't find it funny, not one barstool employees looked at that, and even kind of cracked, it was all all discussed was not one and I'm talking about, and I'm not even talking. Well, I'm not even talking about just the girls because the girls didn't even read it till later. I'm talking about every single content mail that has picked it up that usually talks pretty gross did not even crack a smile when they read it. Keebler Naina smile. I only laughed when, when I got to the tight readdress park because you I got golly wearing tight right Prescott that is just stunning timing. Yeah, I laughed at that. I got a chuckle out of the fifty seven. Thanks, because I was like, who that was the funny that if any part, I could look at them like that was funny. That was funny. But again, it's not like this guy. That's so sweet to cases only taking thousand just that got him. But yeah, no, I don't think that you maybe laugh at all or anybody else. I apologize festivus out with every girl that I've known, and they all laughed and said in that right now. It's Larry, that's why I swear, honestly, I think you're just missing out on who I am as a person. So I think I need to redo that. Listen. We are done, bro. You have made me laugh on air like the call that you had about your boss, and being whipped, and all that, that was really funny. I think that you might have tried a little bit too hard in this, and I don't know what girls are laughing at Ye see vagina, and I'll spit on that bitch, and go to town, but they are not the same Cal Amy Schumer die. That's minds that funny. I really don't that made everybody cringe instead, did you at least come to the conclusion that you will never ever, forget about that letter? Now he's got you. Pussy there. That's like the give the dude on the bench and was just like. Yeah, that's. The most people don't forget like the serial killers. Try to kill him on a daily basis. But I mean you know, he's clearly subscribes to the no such thing as bad publicity. And I think maybe sometimes there is a yeah, well, I'm now concerned about all these girlfriends that have read over this letter, like, who were they date, when he says, girlfriends means bodies in the freezer. These are the voices that talked to him that he is. He's got chopped up at the base for rea- watch by when I was outside. And she's I honestly cannot believe that anybody thought that letter should be read on air. I Kevin read it. I don't know. Oh, no. It definitely needs to be read on air. I can't believe that someone send it, you don't receive a letter like that with a recurring caller, and then does not. But see the other love letters that I blog and stuff, they're usually tame enough and funny enough. Like I roasted that guy that wanted to take me to coffee, the guy that called in with the poem yesterday. But I you can't put that on the blog, like you can physical. Why would I want that on the blog Kevin's going to block it? Yeah. Tony. Okay. I'm not I'm blogging. Nobody Kevin you should absolutely actually able or have you can maybe send me the electron file. So I can cut and paste it. I don't want to type this. So go ahead and just forward I went over there, also remain. Email. You just send it over KFC parcel, sports dot com. You also might wanna start like your run from the law because you sent the authorities there. So you are now if you the. So you have, like a five minute headstart? Just go ahead and best of luck while you're on the run. I appreciate a guys and Casey, I want you to know deep down. I really did love you. Make you laugh. Thank you. Outta here you in grief. Joe? Wow. Let's let's hear from the people on the love letter here. Eric from Philly. What do you got on Shakespeare over there? Once I've everyone, I mean, that was the most disappointing weight of two months, I've ever I could imagine. That was beyond creepy was only funny because of how you delivered it. I almost crashed my car when the cab that was listen. I mean I can't say it's disappointing because it no it's winning. It was disappointing from, like romance on that. I'll just run on saying the payoff of it being the absolute worst thing is the is the entertainment, like I think. This is not a good way Jarrett. I wit here I wish you just had the rock like, like piped up for him. You have you know what I mean? You read a letter, but it does. Put forward noon of champlin Smith. Want to call? Call Greg from Ohio, and you got on. Oh, oh, I don't know if I thought that that was great. I think we're going to dub this letter gate, correct. Yeah. Why not a gate on Eastgate? Yeah. Yeah. No. So this week, we've had. Spain for you. East. We can do the wicked witch of the yeast. You haven't. Been drinking today. What's wrong? Line. I like it. I like the wicked witch of the east. He's Eastern Conference all stars the Easter bunny. Jerry takes the cake. I'm gonna hang up. And listen, that's actually from now on. He was dubbed Keebler because he's a midget. He's gonna the Easter bunny is real special. The Easter bunny. You know, you know, he's got he's got a radio show or something. There's there's, there's a lot of self serving bullshit in their years. Probably just trying to like be memorable or whatever. But to. To ever do that. Like, like even a lot, a lot of people do whatever they can to get the attention of people at barstool and get their blogging or get their call in brought in a fucking Wallaby. Right. But, but, but even that, even if I was desperate, if you wanna get out of my cube job, and this, was my dream and all that. I don't think I would ever go this route. I just don't think I would say east, I think the. It was it was going to land on one side of the spectrum or the other. Yeah. No one was going to be like, right. Right. Right. I just the try hard humor for me is is just some of the worst that's exactly outlets. Like fifty seven Dick's and all that shit is just like. You try to watch. Yeah. I, I think it would have been funny, if it was like a genuine like creepy love letter that wasn't. Yeah. Imagining implicit, imagine if he was just like a really like your company or not to treat you. Well, the guy who called in yesterday with the palm about being married, that was really funny that you can definitely make fun of me that guy actually did a good job, you can make fun of me like I'm not asking for you to like shower me with compliments but like you can make fun of being away. That's not like I'm roasting your whole life end by lamb and discussing human Fran just accused. Kevin did you see what she said? What would you say? She said that if I get murdered, it's on you and she waiting over, and over like it happened. You Kevin Clancy was not make this about you Fran Easter bunny. Keep it moving France, not about France, everybody, that's walking by with seeing you at the paper is just a little concern for my Welby that I'll tell you what I don't know what company work at anymore because I what I can't read a love letter. And I don't talk about snatch now. Now, my barstool man, you didn't to be. You didn't talk about snatch you just repeated as repeated that boy, this place is up in arms over little little fucking love letter, cheesy school rice, lips stool over parts. Whereas I wonder if we can get a deadspin spider has the most ill-fitting on ever seen in my life. Donald going on right now barstool. So Frankie Bo rally has officially he's officially about to move on to greener. Pastures is not from Barcelona from Dave's life. He's going to be, you know, he's, he's been doing a lot more for four play and it's exploding and is going to doing a great job, and it's time for Frankie to blossom as the third full member of four play, which he has been for like two years now. But Dave, you know, he's, he's been more known as Dave's pizza guy, and all that shit. So it's time for him to get credit of his own. And so he's moving on. And so now David's replacement this is what they've does he, he had Hank had Frankie, and now he's got to have a new guy, and there are a select few that have been chosen to be like the finalists, and I think borstal radio actually put up a. Poll pole. So even know how this is a question to be completely honest. So the finalists seemed to be. Dana spider jet ski and then the poll, I saw through. Tyler o'day in there, which I don't know if that was a joke or Wyoming. Dave hates Tyler, yeah. That's so that, that can't be hit him. So Dana is really Dana jetski and spider spider now. Dana has all of the video experience. He makes the parcel documentary. He's worked with mix tape and PMT. He can edit videos and create videos, which is kind of the crux of pizza reviews, no to shoot an edit them. But I heard as I heard jetski ran up in the office and gave like an impact, like a passionate speech about how he is taught himself how to edit and create and produce and that he was, like, you know, this intern who then jumped on the breakfast crew. And he's been editing the blog and the and the show and working with them. An apparently Tommy was like imprint what jets gay headphones in because he's offering to his his wrap. That's the whole. That's, that's what people are going after him for it. That's the knock on jet skis that he only cares about his music career. I mean, I think he can. I think. Yeah, you can work. I agree to both. But that's what people keep doing it on the bus for. So you're, you're down to the finalists here to be Dave's. New right hand man. And I was just saying, like if you know, Dana has the huge edge right now in video, editing and production, but as I understand, Tommy said that you ran up in dean's office, and gave a very passionate speech, that was really persuading. Yeah, I would say Dan, definitely has more long-term experienced, but within the last, like four months, I mean, I had never edited anything and then the breakfast shows like we wanted to log right started doing that kind of, told myself in the flower, we want to do an after show, we wanted to do all these different like one off thing. So I kind of pick my hands up. Pity camera to my hands four months ago. And I'm putting out like the revision does every week I think they're pretty solid. So as far as that's concerned, like with pizza review, editing. I don't think it would be something that I couldn't do. That's interesting because pizza review editing is one of the more basic idea if dad some some graphics and not to minimize what Dave and Frankie do. But as far as the technical requirements, you like piece things together. It's more that it's a daily thing. Everyday gotta be on your toes, kind of be Dave guy. I think it's more than just editing. It's also kind of being personable around so. Celebrities and haven't had a lot of high profile guys. But we get some big names on the breakfast show. And I'm always talking to people bringing them at the office. I'm not very nervous in that regard. So I think it's my definitely do interesting. So the logistic standpoint because I was worthy knock on Dana. Is that Dana is bad with Gina planet said, I'm not good. It's not my strong suit would just kind of big for the guy who travels and moves and gambles invites and flies and all that shit constantly trying to find new locations to go to yes. Like it's all logistical, we'll for the better part of a year as far as, like time management, I've been able to get in for a morning show from coming from Long Island that starts, basically, essentially, at six thirty to set everything up. So, I think time management, I'm pretty good there. And like, logistically, I help out with as far as booking guests anything we do offsite. So I think I'm pretty good there as well work a nap in here, and there, and your time means Israel. The Naff sir here here and there. But the thing about Frankie Borelli does have some sort of intangible, Frankie nece that really does work with Dave like like he, he when he was filming dead-leg 's at the Super Bowl and the guys are like screaming at him. Frankie just like laughs at off. You just like you. I'm allowed to film this, like I don't care. He's very confident in that he sticks to his guns, and I don't know whether that's just like, well, I have to be like a half to put on this front because Dave will eat me alive. If don't or if it actually comes natural. But he is very just like cool, calm and collected because you're going to get yelled at you're gonna be around important people. You're probably going to get like arrested. At some point, you gotta deal with the blue brigade. All that shit. It is. It's a lot more about being able to like keep your cool kinda which I feel like you can do. Yeah, I definitely can do that. And I think it's also like being around Dave, you're kinda got you're kind of going to know when he's on like when he's going to do something hilarious. You gotta have your phone out and ready, like adding that's something I'm kinda always have keanae for when something's going to maybe pop off a little bit. Hence. Dancing with a fucking forty five year old woman, making make sure my friends, a quarter, like I know what's going to play on social and stuff. And I think I was. It was good. I didn't realize you were though. I thought no so she was bouncing around to, like all my friends, what was that Flynn's and firearm, which is like, basically seaside of fire or like all the we'd go, and it's a lot of fun. But it's a lot of testosterone and a lot of divorce as kind of running throwing their shit around. So I don't know she was kind of hopping around to all my friends, and then she came over my way. And I was like this is this is I'm gonna go with this little, I didn't make out though. She was making like three guys before. That was good way to catch cold sore. And I guess apparently the knock is that what you're to you're to focus on your career, to be Dave guy? I guess, dad Dana was saying that I'm all for myself and all trying to profit off of so you guys are sewer each other. Now, I wasn't doing I went in and pitched myself and then Dana was just like, oh, he wants to all he wants to use it for rat fame. There's no doubt like one working at Arcelor. If I was to be Dave guy like it would help me like musically, but just as it is already, I'm doing music on the side when I'm home. It doesn't take away. I'm not taking off from work to go to anything like that. Like this comes first as my actual job. So I don't really see how that could come into play anything. It'd be like, champagne problem. So we just hope they were suing each other. I heard you weren't, but Dana and spider, or Jessica personal like personal attacks. And then Dana start during Gaz onto the bus guys wasn't there. He started. Suturing Gaz was like I'm the only one that works on the documentary gadgets, fucking scrolls through Instagram. And I was like, you know, this is going to get sued for personal Dame's just sitting there loving, like the look on his face was just pure, and this is like his version of the bachelor. It's like instead of like girl. Fighting over for love. It's guys fighting over attention. It seems like nobody has is concerned about spider. I feel like you'd stay and you talk about each other, but his mitre a worry spider in my opinion has that Frankie, like, kind of, gene, where it's like he's calm. Cool collective under pressure can kind of handle any situation. I guess the biggest knock with him would be like the video production shit. He's never edited a video. Yeah. I don't know. Those spiderlike has videos of when he was in college and shit. And he was like doing little like one off, like YouTube video. So I'm sure he probably if you threw some shitting in premier for him he could edit it up. So I don't know. I'm definitely wouldn't count out spider out of it because because I know type of guy Dan is he's a fucking grinder. He's a hard worker, and always make the best of a situation, an logistically. I mean he has to deal with that stuff right now he is banned dramatically, and be right now, though. So that's tough. And he also fucked up field day. Disagree? Well, I'll tell you why is he didn't? But you did a great job. Of course. You think Pat? The poll is online that had Tyler o'day in there. That was a joke thing that was a Jessica, it's wants to make sure those taking with some of my vote so fucking if you're out there vote for me, don't vote for Tyler is it going going by votes or he's going to make, you know what he said, is there might be some type of like there's going to be I mean, he's gonna try this con- like almost like a tryout, I would imagine like some type of academic decathlon shit where it's like you gotta do pizza review form, do some type of physical activity will trigger book something for him. I don't know would love for this attorney into some sort of like tournament. It yeah. We're going to have to find a pizza place that he's never been to do is, maybe ask, Frankie, for some footage of an old pizza review and you re cut it and show him like this, I got something going then about to show about later today that he'll, I think he'll, like very much a different piece of content pizza review center that we do not have currently what a story I was surprised when I went when I heard your name in there anything you're capable of it. But it just I didn't think that you were in that, that you had the breakfast thing going, and I just didn't think you were on like Dave's radar. You know, I think it is, I think he thinks jetski can help them. Be cool earning, but I just think he not answering is only let it is help them hit maybe a different crowd. Maybe a little more ethnic, maybe more urban. He's like, oh, if I take jet ski to this, like, Atlantic City party like jetskis, cool, he's going to make me look cool. I mean I don't know at the same time though I could see David thinking that you're not cool. Dave doesn't think anybody's cool, except for like Caleb. Yeah. It's true. Well, I don't know. I think you might think that I'm fairly he thinks he said he thought it was a weirdo, but I think he thinks them. So I'm not trying to, like, whatever. Yeah. But there is some elements that's like you know, spider. You know, you bring spider, some of these events these parties. Like I said he's walking around the worst fitting suit of ever seen in my life, but he also doesn't care. So like when we're waiting in lines and like Atlanta, Minnesota, he just walked to say, you got some big people coming up, and like he has like he just when he was like trying to break up fights and rough and rowdy, you put people in head locks or getting putting headlock. Yeah. He's he has. No fear. That's for certain projects confidence. That goes along with he's the spider. All right. It's going to be an interesting, an interesting showdown here, free jetski. Thank you. I appreciate that. So go vote and keep your eye on. And I'm sure there will be a full blown like sponsored, you know, video of for sure, I can't wait for that, like I'm here for the competition really to the death. I mean all three of them were in his office with obvious this still seems cameras and stuff around, and they were just yelling at each other. Like just sitting burns like loving, for sure. I'll be honest. I, I knew the jet ski had been editing blogs and stuff. I thought Dana was kind of the shoe in for it because Dana is already been doing the pizza reviews like he did the one with Lindsey Vonn when he the one with her. So he obviously shot the documentary. But jetski just put together a very nice little speech. Well. That I think. I mean that was pretty good about it like in, you know, Frank you probably would never tell you. But it can't be that can't be the complicated. Instead. It's more Frankie has said and he was telling me about their it's more about, like just always having to be available. Yes. Like just Dave will be buckling. Why he was telling me at the, the. At the Stanley Cup and the other night like why was doing a few things up on the glass all the blues came up to him and, like we're hype them up, and like there was nobody capturing it, and Frankie had the camera rolling on day, one hundred percent of or rolling on them. One hundred hundred times he just knows that like you can't you're never there to just watch the game. You're never there to just hang out. You're always always filming. Like when we would go on the road for the college football show. Frankie produces the entire show. So he's not just date like he produces everything it's the graphics directs at all. And then as soon as it's done has a camera on Dave. So it's like he can't even do like never stops. Never stops. It's like he has to put together this massive, we've hired external people for shows like that before, and they produce it like you're supposed to produce like an EMMY award winning sports show. And it's like no, no, you're actually supposed to be filming like the fat guy over there while Dave talks to him, or whatever it may be like, it's, it's a totally different. That's why Blattman like killed it because he has that experience for the college football shows a him. And Frankie were just like a great do. Oh, but then at the very end of it, it's like you still have. Have a camera on David brings the greatest, what she does. She's missing camera and the rocket at all times in the shower. I can't wait till that girls. Like I gotta get outta here and never going to happen. Oh, it's going to happen. We've had like meetings with business people here, and they're like you guys have the best chemistry out of any talent producer. She's sick you. That's that's never going to happen, the whole it's going to hap-. How could you get sick of me? I'm sick of you. I get sick of you. Fuck you guys. Speaking of degenerates, we have David Blattman, speaking of people who dominate the rocket in all game. I mean, that's just not sure you watch it through the glass he nightmare. But he never beats me. You beat me movie play best of three. Okay. That's how you play. I told you, it's like you come to play in the DS, but you can't win in this World Series. That's just not true. Anyways. I have the statements to prove say you send him a ton of money. Don't you this? I kid has more money out of Iraqi percents challenge. We've only have you given him more money. He's, he's ever won a penny off. I've never beat him for money. I blues on purpose because his head is starving. How did you lose scissors on purpose because he's that talented? Yeah. Like I know what he's gonna throw. Throw really wish you went to build him out on that because he had no idea on. I just looked at you like you were dumb because I was dumb question. It's like the same way that you win. I know what you're gonna throw. Yeah. I just sorta the opposite. I beat him. When we put up money and like, all right? Yeah. Kids, he's birthday party me's on. He's the brains behind big brain. He's the new barstool series where we kind of take a page on shark tank and weren't talking. Entrepreneurs who are trying to get our so to invest in their company, their product or service. Whatever it may be episode out now. Or what out at two pm? Yeah. All right. So freshly out, you can go watch big brain right now. You were. You were pulling the strings on this. I had an advanced screening. I watched it last night. Very funny. You you're the puppet master on this one. I mean it makes it sound like it's only maybe. Yeah. There was. No, of course. Right. Hundred guys are on it or huge part of it. But of course so we had John Taffer. Micro-policy Acropole, Melena water day, poet. Right. And Tafer's an eight of the ten episodes. The other two erica's our other panelists on their interesting, obviously very like heavy shark tank. Undertones is there like who's the tough shar who's the easy shark like how many people got through? Are we going to see are these people going to be a part of the blog or is a separate from barstool who won, like what kind of companies one or without giving away, of course? Sure. Yeah. I believe it or not Dave's. Actually, the softest. I do believe that, that doesn't surprise sewed one. It's not that he's soft. He literally told one of the contestants that it was the worst idea he's ever heard in his life. He says it with a tone of like I'm on your side. I don't know about that one. That's a spins on. I don't tell you what it is. He might be like, I think the other guys might have been playing like he'll a little bit where it was like I'm gonna roast you. Whereas Dave is like, if I think your idea is good. I will tell you. What's good is bad. I will tell you what's bad, right? So he's like the fairest where I think. The Tafer's here. He's, he's there to an end ripple reportedly. I don't know much about them. But I, I heard him recently call onto francesa talking Saint John's basketball, he flock, Dave is, actually, the one who was like. Well, all right. Let me hear you out. I I'm gonna just like smoke you right? Yeah. It's kind of ruthless, sometimes like for the most part. It's pretty pretty fair. But they get pretty ruthless a lot of times where you almost start to feel bad for certain I embarrassment. I mean these time these common with this is their moment or what all their eggs in this basket, or this is their baby. And like it was a build up to this moment. Right. Everything you work for, like. And this is it. It's this or bus rally, I'll just go back to my regular thing. Like I took a swing at the fences here like this hasn't work. I'm out of. If you have a good if you have a good idea or a good product or good company, you're going to get the barstool bumped from being on the show, and then if they all just roasts you and tell you to fuck off, it's like you're getting, but there's still a little abundance like shark tank like something obviously, if they get the shark tank bump, and they get through, then it's like huge like cousins, Maine lobster is like right on my block in New York and interest shark tank all over. But at least there will be some people that will feel bad for them if they get roasted unless it's just the worst idea of all time at the end of the day, a lot of people are just getting free market. Exactly is awesome. But we have such a powerful audience that it's like some of these people it's like you'd your tanked. So what episode is flashing salon in this one. Fleishman is real. Yes. So they went and like their thing is selling the hair vitamin Gumy's online. And I think it was reportedly was just like this is stupid. Like you're selling Gumy's in your salon. There's nothing to work and they really. No. We're not selling them this law. And we're selling it online, and it was just like a miss community. Nation on like what the actual business idea was. But then, as I understand it Erica. Have you gone to her yet area? Flavored apparently went like toe to toe with John Halford. Shortly afterwards a little bit later. I can't confirm that they want a little toe to toe. Yeah. He got a little heated contentious, she doesn't fuck around five times, and she's like a pit bull. She's, she's very stressed about her hair. So when they weren't understanding it and they weren't giving credit. She was just like fuck you do when is that episode come out? It's towards the Anna wanna say, oh, well, yeah, it's ten episodes told I wanna say, she appears an episode six maybe it was I was like, oh, boy, does that she was just feeling barstool fan. I mean she she she's advertised case radio. We have a campaign coming up. She's a big fan. She was like, I, I mean I thought I remember thinking, like Dave might be the problem because Erica, friends, and Dave doesn't like me. And then when like, Dave actually was fair to them, and it was the other guys who are like, you know, what are you going to sell haircuts? Like, no, we, we do cut here, but we're selling these go. And they just didn't get it. And when they didn't get it, it got very. And then I believe there was some comments like, well, you know about hair you don't have any. Fireworks can't confirm. Inflation, and I don't know. I mean, they obviously didn't impress them, but I think they got their money's worth as far as exposure and whatnot talk shit. So I don't like Barcelona Barcelo being a judge on that. I can't imagine like when there's real money on the line and people like you know what? If you tell them story like I took I took out a second mortgage on my house for this. Like can you do it? And you're just like fuck that stupid, I would be terrible judge. Because I'd be like, okay, I'll just go buy it, but I don't want to ruin your life. Yeah. You know, maybe it'd be better for like a spoof version of rat would probably it's not actual lives on the line. Joy, so do that to one contestant where he was like this idea sucks. But here is like X amount of dollars a little consolation shit. Yeah. So like cash the sponsor of the show and they actually gave us a bunch of money to like, give out to different contestants through, like people were not Worley empty-handed, not every single one got money. So people who didn't get investments that Dave was kind of, like I like you. I like where you're going for us. Here's five thousand dollars. Sounds like yeah. So it's not we're not investing unless I got like the perfect deal, I'd probably prefer that here's five grand to doing what you're doing. No, no. He said, here's five grand try something else. Here's, here's five thousand dollars that don't put it to this payment of, like, I wanna make fun of you on this video. Yeah. Here's five thousand dollars to say. I'm sorry. I'm actually. That I would ever watch the show on actually very honored that you knew I watched the whole thing saying. That's a lot. I would have bet my life that he went to watch a second. I watched all of it was like half hour, ten episodes, all like half the other half about half hour each every Wednesday for the next ten Wednesdays and like is there. Where are we now in business with several? Yeah so spoil it. But, like spoilt you know much when you do something like this, it's like is this for the content or is this for the business? I'd say very much both like we make a handful of like legitimate investments with companies. And we're going to start promoting. I mean at the end of the day, you know, yeah, it's great content, but we're also putting very real money into this so far rescue with top Taffer, where it's like you always hear a story like a year later, they ended up shutting down or a year later. They continue to thrive and you don't really know. But all you do know that Taffer got his TV show out of it. Right. Exactly. But yeah, that's gonna be interesting, if like because that is that I think is really the future because as we can't you can't put your name on a Powell, you can't make a joke. Any more like just having investments that aren't related to the jokes and the content that was something else that happened in the first episode is, Dave is, like, all right? Let's do business. But he has to decide like do I put barstools name on it because, you know, we want this to be. Successful. And we don't wanna get not accepted because the barstool right Asian, right? So he's investing in something. And it's like all right. Well can we even put the barstool name on it? All right. That's for sure. Subsidiaries and yeah, shell companies and that kinda shit. We're gonna even have to worry about the drama or the blowback, or does it even make sense? You know what I mean? Like, why would bar slows name be attached that just have it be? But the thing is Dave loved everything to be under Dave's brain. I mean, the big brain here, this, Dave, it's not the it's not you brought her. I'm not I'm not. Yeah. Don't get it twisted. There's not multiple big brand is very untwisted. Very. Very, very straight. All right. So you watch it on the app and Barsha sports dot com. Big brain episode one out, now, ten in total beyond look over my girl Fleischmann talking that shit and. Get my sides cut. She wants to. She wants to like rock with the sides on my I, I gotta fade it up. Now. You look great. I, I usually listen to her. So she does new nice work. Then you should give it a shot. All the guys that get their hair done by her. Have fantastic here the, the, the sides are little short usually get roasted for your hair being the same length as your beard back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. I told him I saw someone on social media call. You said you looked inbred because of that. Yeah. Which I don't even know what the correlation between that one. But I get it like I get it. And now it's just not that case anymore. Now we're Rockin now. You're handsome fuck. That's right. Blattman just gassing. Jared up. Hasn't been fucking Zimbabwe Dubai's, and Bob way coming back, not soon. Enough ever him. It's my one man hype team. That's right fired. If you put out a hair gel, I would buy it, what about hair gel. Would you put out a hair out? He would buy he's crocs or by your hair. I think you have good hair. Now, the problem is you have to understand, crocs is a fucking idiot this, Joel. This is saying, if you came up with my own, it also like crocs even saying like a hair hair gel, like it's nineteen Ninety-seven and you're like agreed going out of here. Joe, I did the hair gel thing in middle school. Which is yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We all did LA looks in middle school remember Sunan. Oh, yeah. All those tips, baby. I never do the frost tips. But I knew planning guys, did I didn't do Feroce tips, but I did bleach my hair and then it looks like frosted tips, by the time that you have Ephron look like you see, Ronnie PMT with the blonde. Yeah. Like platinum hair out because and Babe Ruth thousand the pirates. So we all like bleach our hair for the summer. And then by the time school started in September. It looked like we had frost because it just grew out. Yeah. Yeah. I wish I could pull it look like when Rudy did it like really. Actually locked it. Yeah, it was like he knew that he was gonna came up with that bet did I know. Hoping to lose. He said Trojan horse Grenell thing, I know what's going on here. Yeah. Speaking of Grenell Portnoy, I was making fun of on the other day. I wanna see where you stand. So during the galley and during a lot of times the guys crew was name tag. Anti-gang crew. They put the name tag on says, Hello, my name is, and you're right. Some sexual innuendo or some joke and you kind of use it as like a party prop and like an icebreaker and Dave aided it aided. And because Grenell said, hi, my name is and it said I eat asked on the first date. Okay. And he didn't like that. And so this is this is like the bubbly gang and, and Gaz was the one who, like three hundred the Boston put the picture out there, but day went off about the idea of bringing props to the bar, which I understand, has a forty. What's Dave's almost fifty now? I get that as I understand at that age put your bring props to the bars, whatever. But, like I don't think of it like a prop I think, is like you bring like a fuck in tech of car thing. Yeah. Like a name tag is like that name tag was not great. That's the problem. Is that what he wrote on? There is lame. But I don't any name tag is not great at a bar, and maybe that's because I'm thirty but I just seen it works. So it's like if it works who care. I couldn't imagine that, we're using a proper. Far. I am the prop. Here like the amount of if the goal is just like. You know, draw attention and get people to like talk like the Nien-tai works, every time the problem that Grenell walked right into is doing anything that Gaz tells you to do anything like the fact that he thought that, that would end well in any form or fashion when Gaza's it's like when he comes up to me, and he'll have journals hand broken in the picture, though. I dunno air cast on or something his hand actually, broken never time Gaz hands, you something, I don't care what it is and says, put this on or whatever. And let me take a picture. You say no immediate. I can't believe he's little finger man. He's the least trustworthy person in the world. But if you know if you know that it's like it's, it's a blast like hanging out gas is great as long as you keep at arms ever, do anything he says. But the people who are still get gassed, it's crazy. I think I've, we've all figured him out. That's the sort of thing is not some of us have some. But like even the people that have figured him out. Still fall for the bait. Yeah. You just can't fall for the bait it cannot and like the way he, he jumps on Twitter eastern on the pot with. The blues guys on the Nogi and all that. And a pri-. And a. And I did like why piece reply sound like did you send this tweet from the bar? If a galley spraying beer on the other thirty six year olds. It was funny. And then gazes response guys has like easily one trick pony. When you do a little back and forth. You can't hang right? But any sort of like listening to him is just, you know what's going to end up benefiting him. I feel like we don't ever guys never tries to Gaz me. I feel like gas trials to Gaz people that he can. Yes. Like, if I'm like beefing with someone he'll try to gather them. Yeah. Because he knows once you hit that point with him where he realizes that you have some sort of Trump card, then he's going to stir it up around you as much as possible right now. Gather usually gases me up. He said last night, this, that the city is. It's nausea nauseous. It's Tom Brady and the rockets town. And everyone else is just a guest. Yeah. I mean like it's like it's like gang wars, but we're not hostile with each out a ceasefire conical. Ways. My tariff southeast has tariff, and then like David sounds everywhere else between gas has blocked me from being able to see anything on his social media. That's what really to like, or he has his certain like friends, it can see certain things whatever, like I like he's straight up. Text me, one day, Andrew said you've been blocked. It was like, all right. I just because I guess, I guess I did something he didn't like an I repeated something I shouldn't have as big bit internet gas blocks people out. He he blocks me from, like seeing his stories. I like that move now you can't block. It's not blocking. It's just you're not in the club. He kicked her out of the club. Yeah. I mean you can him so devastated. I don't know what I'm gonna do. Make a burner is is a public account. I would imagine fucking Gad's. No, I don't think he is, is he is definitely public. But I think he makes he makes stories where you only certain holidays. So, like, like hot girls will make their Instagram's private because they like guys will just look at their Instagram and not fall. And if you want the followers, you go private shit works. If you were hawk girls now works period, it does work. But, like people will, I know it works for girls forgot I've done it. It works. You get like a thousand dollars a day, what? Yeah. But then they unfold, they'll like they'll go in just to see what's going on. It's like going to a bar. It's like, oh, there's no one. That's the reason. The pizza reviews like when they went win the main account, everything went private, and Dave went private like he soared over a million followers, because people are going to find his content and couldn't do it. I don't think they actually disappear as much as I think, getting the follow on Instagram you follow a million things. They don't really care about like an Instagram. Follow is kind of a little more like Lasi like blase with it like whatever. And then they'd just end up staying the problem is you can't do swipe ups. And if you go if you go private on private. But on private like Instagram. Basically, nose, your gaming the system shadow manual you can do swipe up. She just can't see what the. Numbers are I disciple so. Oh, yeah. But it was like, ten thousand persuasive ups thousand or a blue check got. Yeah. I something about not being able to link to something. No. You can't the problem is, is like if you if I if I do a swipe up to somebody, and they wanna like send it to their friend, and their friend doesn't follow me. Then they can't see the swipe up, but I still do stripes, everything you just can't see the numbers on it like you. When I was public. You could see all that up to make fun of hubs because Hobbes's private to game the system and I was like hubs knowing gives a fuck about, but it does work. But I. Year girl. No, I'm backing Kevin REO saying just individuals doesn't matter what species, he is it probably somewhere in between because I do think it works. But you might be right that people aren't clamoring. No follow. No, no, no, no, no. There actually probably like thank God. Like I was gonna go check this out. And now it's like versus Twitter shut. It was like a Twitter follow. I actually I'm the exception because, like I followed people if you bought case your radio premium and shit like I follow anybody who supports the podcast. But if people who actually care to follow I'm tight with a Twitter, follow because it's like funny it'd be interesting. And is you're gonna follow. It was like, yeah. Or if you've ever posted anything interesting, like one time, or whatever that was a big day when you follow me on this Graham. Yeah. When we started the show, I swore that I would never file grudge match, but I was like, I, we're going to be a co host, do you follow me? I follow you think you. Hope. So I mean I, I don't know to follow me insulin. Jared phone. He's let me he paid me. You're the only one pay me. Oh my God. How can you guys play every day? It's been a while since I was told not to why don't you play right now? He's gone. We got about sixty seconds left charity playing why don't you play a best of three right now? Let's go. You bitch go that you don't have that much time. Let's go rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Jared tosses paper fuck out here swept. Wow. That was I was getting. I was going to play by play. And before I could even speak a word. It was a to sweep. That was and probably that was what a scissor over paper and Iraq over scissor peasy lemon squeezy just fucking dispensed of you peasant. How much how much y'all twenty bucks? No, nothing. We to pay for that. It's only best why he won't pay me or play me. So you lose seven Scott, you can't afford to lose short-term you learn in the long run you lose when the money's on the line. When did you ever win rocket every time he walks by, and we'd do it through the window these matters? Now he's like anything anytime that I've read doing ballet out there. She looks like she's ready to go. Chicks in the office are up. Next last time we've all been together on a product. It's been a minute. It's been a minute, and we're all here together and I just sent out a tweet.

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S8E1 Recap

Game of Stools

1:25:49 hr | 2 years ago

S8E1 Recap

"HBO just delivered. The first episode of the final season of game of thrones. They probably post maze probably deliver that post mates will deliver everything they will ever any fabled deliver your food. They will deliver your booze. They would deliver your groceries. They will deliver the best TV show ball Thomas. What you did executive producer post meets they'll send you anything twenty-five thousand merchants available on the post mates network. Like, I said, you can get food groceries booze supplies condoms. Batteries battery video games run out of batteries batteries, host mates. You get everything delivered. You don't want to have a little baby that the night king is gonna come steel and try to turn condoms, you're gonna say to deliver babies. I was like oh well. Hundred percent. Kevin. I actually don't think that they do. One of the baby. Paper. No, I will. I will never doubt post mates post mates. Can do any good delivered your baby have a promotion? From Ochoa stools, maybe a hundred dollars off the next seven days for your delivery costs of sign up new new member post mates, promo code stools. When you're checking out and you'll get your delivery free whacked out zero dollars for the next seven days a hundred dollars in the Bank. Go get it. Let's break this episode down. This been. You haven't beaten paying attention? Last thing you're ever going to see is a stocks finding down to you as you dive. These ladies enjoyed him so much they gave him the time for free. I wanted to know. Social. Dimond trial. That God is. Things I do for love. Game stools episode to we made it or here. Nobody died. I I had some morbid thoughts coming into this episode. I think everybody did you had to like might my darkest thought was like, of course. Yeah. What if you before the before the finale, right? Sure, you're dead though. What if like everybody else, but if there was like a mass casualty event, but it was like last what game with rose the night. You thought about that? I was like what if what if game of thrones was like sports, and this could somehow be postponed because the whole fucking world is ready for it. And I was like what would be the only thing can stop at TV show Mary. Yes. Some type of mass. I still think you gotta run it. Would you watch? You gotta be all these fucking people that are going to be sad because all their friends died. Gotta have something to do watch. I would spend it like we're doing this for them. They they would want me to watch in rigs his mind right now. It's like well tiger one today. So we're at worst it and even even Stevens right now. Story. That's where it starts because we'll we'll get it the episode, although albeit a slow one setup one there is a lot to get into. But the story of the game of thrones premier is now forever intertwined somehow with your woods with one of those days. Like this Sunday became a day that will live on forever. Yeah. I mean, it's it's obviously, you know tiger. I've staked a huge chunk of my career on Tiger Woods life sat there career. And defended that man through the darkest of times when it looked like not only is he not going to win majors again. But he ain't even gonna play golf forgetting ain't gonna do anything. And we have battled you and I Kevin Dave big cat pretty much fucking everybody. We have just battled on. Tiger woods. We have doubled down triple down quadruple down. He still got it. You guys don't get it rational thought doesn't apply to this guy? Like, that's why he's the greatest of all time. That's why he's such a magnet. He's the biggest fucking needle in sports. And for him to actually have won the master's is. So outrageous. I can't even. Not get hasn't. Even sunk. I think like a bigger accomplishment here. Here are Tigers list of his accomplishments three is winning the masters again to is making day. Portnoy run for the hills faking a phone running away from a fight and number one on the Sunday of the game of thrones premier the internet stopped talking about game of thrones. Like, I was prepared to thrones from nine AM till nine PM to lead up to it. And it was like all right. I guess I gotta wave fucking golfing to finish. I couldn't even do my sixty-seven sixty-seven recap. Because everyone's watching I had to wait like fucking an hour and a half from fucking tiger to finish up and put the fucking green jacket back there. People tweet dude, I'm at the biggest Boston bar in the city of Boston. The Celtics are playing a playoff game. And they're like every television in the bar is on top cares. Nobody cares. It's just he's that guy. So for him to have one today. It's it's it'll go down as one of the, you know for me number one. But for even like all sports fans like that will probably go down when you're. Said and done a top five sports moment the ever witnessed shout out to the sports. God's for dropping some brain into the situation to make everything start 'em. So that it can finish up at like, whatever time that was give you guys time to record give everybody time to settle back in for game of thrones episode one season eight can I can I do something here. Finally game of thrones back. Two full years like year and a half to two years. It's two on two years between these two fucking up Associes insanity, especially when pretty much, you know, the rest of the goddamn natural world has spended binging and catching up. You know, what I mean like I've been sitting around just waiting for a new episode while I'm watching all my fucking co workers and all my friends who weren't watching get to experience new episodes, and I'm like God fucking damage. Gimme one. Yeah. For all the people that just watch for the first time in binged it welcome to hell for the next seven days. Because now this sits in you, it just sits in you for seven days comes back up our of happiness, and this is why you start to hate people. Like, we hate theon. 'cause like you just wasted five minutes of what I've been waiting for all week on theon fucking, greedy like things like that. Just get ready. These people are in for L and who's really in for hell the haters the game of thrones haters out in fuck in full force. They're coming down by the hundreds and thousands of droves the amount of people who were like who cares? Pro like everybody a hundred million people probably get care. What are you talking about? I understand that you don't like it. I understand you think. It's nerdy. I even understand that you're bothered by talking about it fine. But don't act like it's not a big thing. Well, it's gotta be frustrating. Because like, it's it's not like there's a portion of the internet that's into it's the whole world doing it for the weeks. The do it in for the hour during the show, and you're not so you have to sit outside of the box and just throw things at the box set about it. So I kind of understand at that point. But it is true to this is the first experience we've really had a long time of watching it live and getting tantalizing teased at the end like you were saying, and it's it's amazing. How much everything is magnified like the good ship. That happens is so awesome. Because you're watching it in the moment, you don't get it. You've been waiting forever. You have to wait a whole 'nother fucking weak and the bad shit. Like, you said is awful you legitimately when they're showing these. Characters in these scenes that you don't give a fuck about. What are you guys doing all this bureau? Stop just like put even put a note of the screen about what's happening and just we'll just go on to show scroll. Yes. Go to school. This whole episode was one expanded glorious scroll really seen. It was a setup episode through and through. Now, I think we all thought it would be a set up. So, but a few dunks we get a few with what I thought I thought that was I thought they were gonna come in very hot. And I thought they actually came in very flat like not in a bad way. But it was just like all right now, they're barging. And now they're showing up and there's some reunions. But I thought it was going to be like how somebody dead then we can go to to set up or like, a flashback of some sort or something that gives you like, hey, I know you've been waiting for like nineteen months. Here's a little something technical balls. And now we gotta get back to business. Here's something I'm a acquainted to is this year's March madness wind during the first weekend of March madness. There aren't really any big upsets, and you feel down. But what that means is everything has to be condensed into the final two weeks where there's awesome fucking teams left. And we're at that point like we have lost episode now, nothing not nothing. But like, we didn't get the kind of fireworks that you get in game of thrones. But there's only a handful of shows Leverett analogy, right? So now like sh. Shit has too much. Yeah. It just has to explode. Like, there's just they didn't in this show. It has to now condensed into five show like it's just it's going to explode, and it's awesome. That citing the chessboard is going to have like three pieces left when by the time the credits. Roll in episode six or if the secret episode seven there's not a lot to do that. I will say this on this is doing that. We're doing secret episode. We're just like every hour reading just given. Right. Yeah. Your brother Brennan glance s Alexa, win the last episode is. And she says, I think it might be on she she said like the last show. The last episode scheduled that I know of is whatever the date of the of the sixth episode, and then she says, but I don't know if that's the finale, she says, she said, Alexa, knows everything. Jesus christ. This is going to sound super nerdy. As I was saying, I realized I wanted to dunk I actually think it opened with a dunk. But this is again, the nerdy side of me. We have the different map the map completely changes that was the year and a half. Wait, they needed the computer graphics. Yup. So they have the map is super detailed. Now the board. The board is fucking. We have shrunk from this whole world too. Literally, it's basically king's landing to the wall. Which is our people half the wall now and super detail. We're going into the crypts of winner fell. We're going into the red keep going into the dungeons all that shit. It's like half the frozen now because winners come the board is is just tiny and history history's been is being rewritten. Because you know, those scrolls that they have and it shows like the deer, and the the lion and all that shit that if you look at that. And this is that I get from like watching YouTube videos. It's they're telling the stories of westborough. So as those stroz go along you see the dragon getting stabbed by the lion. That's g. He kills the king. Then you see the state at the end in everyone's bowing to him. That's Robert becoming king. So now, it looks like and I have to vote we're doing this after one watch. So you talking about like on the the globe or circles disarm because someone someone's a DM and screen shotted it, and yeah, I mean, they're they're basically explaining what you're talking about. And it looks like I mean, it's hard to make out. But it looked like a wolf that's like been shot arrows fucking dead, really. Watch out and the like. There might have been a Nike or zombie or something in one of those. Yes, yes. Which like that is so different than what we've seen before. So that's the they're putting a lot of subliminal shit in there. That's just going to for the next week. You said now we don't get to play on the next show. Now, we have to we have to break down the fucking symbolism and all this stuff going and over and over yet read it all shift ACS YouTube. We're going down where you got to be careful though, because like shows like loss did this and even true detective season one, you can leave all these awesome Easter eggs put if they just lead to nowhere. It's like why'd you even fucking do that to us because there's going to be nerds like fucking clamp to our girl Elliot on the west coast. Now, she's got some thoughts. She wanted me to say we'll get into later, but people like them are going to look at every fucking thing. And then if you if you're just like, oh, yeah. But by the way, they kill everybody that doesn't matter. Why'd you do it to us. So we're recording this thirty minutes after the show finished up how deep in the lab, you think all shift axes. Oh. I mean, especially, you know, people like from those websites and read and all that shit. They've been doing this for the whole series. But now that it's become the phenomenon. And now that you know, your audience is probably ten acts. What it was this is their Super Bowl. This is their masters. This is like their time to shine. I don't know if to up to the up to the pressure imagine just fucking in the zone moving pieces like not gonna move in his head. Just arms are moving sliding pieces left. Right. It used to be for him and his nerd friends. You know, it's like it used to be a niche thing. And and now it's like, you know, you've got like hot chicks and fucking. And like you got a lot of people into your shit. Now, man, he's got fucking major celebrity's grinding over his videos. I need to know anything that motherfucker knows that has dug up I need to know everybody thinking that he's reading his like this shitty week. I only got ten million views and eight million who gives a thumbs down to YouTube video, by the way, I hate those unless it deserves real. Nvidia that's hate that. He. Kreis, relax. That's hatred. That's your hell's wrong with you. Why are you? Now. How'd you end up on this video thumbs down? That's what I wanna know. 'cause I can YouTube like you've pretty user friendly. You could pretty much pick stuff that you want to watch. That's forced on you at all. How do you stub video you watch? You know, what I'm gonna do that? I'm gonna go thumbs-down video coming around. Shipped Xhosa could be under attack, man. So this episode. I my initial the initial reaction based on like my mentions, and when I quickly see on Twitter, I think it's actually been a negative reaction based on on Elise. My mentions a lot of people were saying like can we at least admit that was a dud? Can we admit that they're not much happened there? And I think the inherent problem with this episode is that it was a big reveal for the characters. Yeah. And we knew this we've known this for a while. Like, we knew anybody who's been reading any sort of books reading any sort of theories has known this for like years and anybody catching up basically knew exactly who Johnson was and to see him. Learn it is is cool. But it's I mean real reveal to the characters versus a reveal to the viewer. I mean, the differences a billion times, you know. So there was some things that we learned like you get to see Kalisa realized that she lost her dragon to the night king, and that was kinda quickly mentioned than SAM's telling John. Truth. And you know, you gotta realize that we have to tell the story and the characters have to learn these things about themselves, but to be the premier episode, and that's like what you gave us. You're naturally going to have some people who watch it on a on a casual level intense fans are have been waiting for this moment forever. So the pie love it. But on a casual level people like aren't any into that? Yeah. I think to like it's important like a dud and like a slower show with not necessarily the fireworks or whatever are two very different things. Low burn. Slow-burn just call shitty. TV slow burn. But it think that's what this was right. And at some point, right? Like there had to be reveals information wise further characters those things had to come. So they should sided to get a lot of them done in the same episode in the same hour long thing, which is completely fine. Like looking back just thinking, and like you said we haven't had time to digest any of this. We're just sitting down and kind of like fired from the hip, but look back like the more. I think about it. The more parts of the show that I loved that opening after the credits and the whole deal of them just kind of setting the stage and the army and the two of them being together her like entering the north. And all of that was epic. That was shit is going down that got me. Like, anticipation, chills of the okay, we are really building towards something. This is happening. It felt very serious. And then it just kind of it setting the tone from that point on it did feel like right away that you kind of knew what you in for for the show. I think and I think there's some important shit. That's either going to hit in the next episode or future personas, such as I mean, the northerners you could tell they don't like polic- right off the bat and the northerners are stubborn fuck house Glover house Glover I've and the rewatch disease, they just keep fucking turning their back on the stocks. They can rotten hell also wish death on the kid and he fucking died. I feel bad. Wishbone? Very much. We'll definitely get into that soon when the dragons fly over, and I cannot get enough of watching people experience dragons, they are always the same shock base. But it gets me every single time. There's a food problem in the north. There's like loyalties there's like fucking king fucking lady of winter fell a Queen certain Pete factions like certain people, and they've bent the need to them. And there's just a lot of shit going on right now. I mean, the fact that we like, you know, we've been watching the show for however long now a decade, and you're really just seeing Kalisa interact with Sansa and seeing John get back together with now like a totally different aria. And like we've just watched all these things separately for so long. So now, even even if it's not, you know, the sex in fights, and the blood that a lot of the simpleton might like you're seeing a lot of cool things that you know, we knew were coming nagging simply funny like we feel like one of the big battles that we fight as big thrones vans against non thrones fans is the dragon thing they're not even that bigger part of the show. It's not just magic and dragons and. When the dragons are actually in the show. I'm like this is fucking. Flying them. Oh, I mean, it was it was a little never ending story. Ask up on these guys. Oh, yeah. Why for a little joyride a little fucking waterfall situation. Kalisa with her little comments about like warn me. Keep me warm my school shit. There's a few lines. And I like it. I'm I'm conflicted on what's going on a lot of sexual tension all over the fucking place. Right. You've got John and and Clichy in the mountains. And he says it's a little cold for northern girl, and she's like within this is the start of a porno, and then big time, then you got aria making is with Genry talking about making weapons and fighting people those two are going to smash. I am I mean, I can deal I fought up. Right. I can't watch you have sex down. That's the pedophile shit that rural is involved in any sort of sex scene amount. I'll watch you fuck. Your aunt. Oh watch. Fuck your brother and your sister. If maisy Williams or whatever is evolving sex scene. HBO you sick fucks. I'm not watching that in my opinion. I said this on Twitter last week. Some guy was like, you know, our is gonna end up with country. Like, you can't wait for the mayor this that I was like she's not gonna end up with anybody. And she's not fucking anybody. That's my shoe. Did you see what's going on? That she a steal and ain't talking about. They will not let anybody know fucking shot. Not on my Georgia Martin to that very set of Sodhi bangs aria various out care. How would it be pissed? Fucking piss aria to like he funky mix weapons that kill people. Are it cannot get turned out more by someone who things that kill other people? So by the way, what was I mean, you kinda saw quickly what she unrolls. Can you make me this? I should have. We should've paused wasn't sure the nerds figured out whatever that is. I gonna kill the Nike. Well, I'm actually in a whole other thing I've been convinced everytime. Aria was along with John or with you know, I was like oh fuck that's a little finger. The little fingers is the faceless man is in my brain little finger has taken over my brain. If that is the case, I'm going to kill. I wasn't thinking little figure, but that seen with her, and John I thought like is one of them gonna kill the other one tensor is that really what they're gonna fucking do. They're all touchy feely with the weapons I thought she just stabbed. We put through his. Oh my God. It was I couldn't sits the whole episode every fucking seen at felt like this could go horrifically jobless on the dragon. Oh my God. Oh my God. Somebody get him with a spear like watch out. What are you guys doing? This is so reckless crazy reckless. You kept thinking that different seen, by the way. No super possible. Just hold onto dragon super possible. I guess I just fell off. We're really by the way nerd question him being able to ride. A dragon is like he's got the tar game blood. Right. Yeah. I it's kind of like we wouldn't even be able to get onto it. And you're not gonna fall off of it. It's just like you're a dragon rider. It just is what it is. But like she doesn't know that. Right. Well, nobody doesn't know it either. This. Reckless move. Yeah. Just hold on. It's like well. We know. Oh, yeah. That I guess we shouldn't we should have felt like a little more comforting. Because we know he's got that. He did. But like now know, so what do you fucking idiots doing these important for joy? Right. And I will say this like very dangerous. Like, she doesn't know he's at targe area. But the same point she should know like these fucking all these things that all the nerds. And I haven't gone on Twitter. So I imagine people are not happy about this. Like, there's a whole thing about finding your drag, and you know, give developing relationship with it and being a target area or having the blood to do it, and John just goes on it. And it's like did she say could she said this to geor at some point? Okay, try this dragon be falling off it just I personally I was a little pissed off by it. They sped it up. Sped it up glossed over. I wanted the way John drives the dragon. That's also named after his dad now he knows which he didn't know this at the time. Like, I see the symbolism. I think it's cool and the dragon that died is named after her brother who died. So it's like there's a lot of the I call it fuck in the is doing accounting right now credits and debits. He's like, you're you're the guy you're named after dead, boom dead or you, and and he he threw in Kalisa he would've killed her too. I just drag are not cars and graft auto, you don't go I want that one. Get in throw the person out start driving. Dr driving. They could've even just done. It like I understand. There's you know, it's a TV show the same people complaining that the dragons and the ravens flew through fast. And that one finale. Yeah, yeah, he's got speed things up. But there could have been a moment. Just a look on his face or says something to her. That's kinda like why the fuck and I ride this ragging. Like why you know, what I mean like even just to have him question it, so you plant the seed of like, well, maybe somebody important or maybe you know, what? I mean, the fact that he's just hop on and ride. It was. They landed like that felt more natural than I thought something along those lines. You know, like even even the little like sly in Koi to the viewers. Like man, I feel like I could have been doing that my whole life or something like that. And it's like, yeah. You've been a target area and your whole life. You just didn't know it something that lets you know that you you at least acknowledged that. You're fucking dragon rider out of nowhere. I do wish to like the show like that where it was clearly kind of a a plot show. You have to move along. We have to get from like point eight point B and information on all of that. I think they could have fit something in where he and his dragging like build their relationship. Like, you said where they have like maybe early in the show they have like a little rip back and forth where the dragons are comfortable with them. And then he like comes around or he finds he knows he's hungry. And after they like get new a little scuffle, a they have him in the dragon have a disagreement of sorts wherever fuck it would be. He finds food for them. And they like. Something like that with horses and movies, the horse like bucks h. Sudden you're riding it. And although I will say there was there was a moment. And it was him watching the those to make out and probably fucking those mountains. I mean, that's like that's like a sexy with your parents in the room. That was like imagine that. Imagine listen, Balas girls. Everybody knows you're you know, you're about to get it on with a Cheik. You're still new the relationships new you feel like something might be off your fucking your aunt. I don't know what it is things are Orientale to begin with. And then you just open your eyes. And you look over your shoulder and mother fucking dragging is often puffing at you like, what are you doing to my mom? He's looked like the fuck that guy's mom, right? Right. And they're just standing there couldn't have gone behind a wall or behind the fucking in a cave little waterfall, right? There have some respect dragging almost looked like the dragon from Shrek to like, it was all cutesy like these dragons are not they're killing fucking machines. They fire I felt a little weird. But there was this episode in general had a lot. I was like a lot of HAMAs. We I mean, we was over. In the room in the office. I mean, there was full blown laughter points. Some I think on intentional. But some I think like intentional that was supposed to lighten the mood a little bit like like. Tyrian cracking jokes about not having balls and things like the wedding. There was some good parts of the job site. Silence of snark out. Here has a comment for everybody. Man. She's got that. She's got a little bit of Terry and a little bit of Lord Baylor. She's got her own stark balls. She's she's got she's got a a one liner or retort for absolutely everybody. She was kind of she was doing side is she's picking up on her brother loving areas already. I'm starting to I never liked Sansa. And I never really thought that she had shot to end up on the throne. I still don't think she is. But I think she's coming in hot for me. I feel like she's getting more and more capable. And and you know, what I thought it was very telling line. And I think I feel this way of you are too when she says to Syrian one point. I thought I thought you were the most clever man in the world. Because he thinks that, sir. Like an honor her word, and I feel like that's kind of the way it's gone from this series. Is that in the beginning? He really was like, the smartest guy outwitting everybody. And now he's kinda just scrambling just trying to make things work. And it's like, yeah. I would say the same thing about him. So yeah. And he's been wrong about stuff Lassie when he was just wrong about where to send the that type of stuff where so he's starting to question his own witness own like everybody else's too. So that's a. Sounds a you know, she's like she's fucking like lady, I'm onto you. She's on to everybody in the show every fucking person her interaction with them. She's like I'm on. She's one step ahead every single person. It's kind of like, I look I get that. She's a survivor and all that she's been through and all of that. But I don't know that I've seen a ton of proof that she is like this intellectual intellectually superior kind of gloss over that. Right. Like, we're like a dominant straight strategic in like intellectual figure like well. I you know, I like her like SAS that she's gotten all that. But I don't like why should we listen to you is said she person I've ever met like when are you? So that was I read agree based on what's finale last last season when she's she's sentences little finger to die. She says, I'm a slow learner. But I do learn I think the whole that's kind of what they're implying is in the beginning. She was just like this little like bitchy teenage girl, then she went through so much and now she's like capable ruler. But. They haven't really shown that. I think that's maybe more implied than it is show. Yeah. I think I this is just guessing with the books and stuff, but I imagine if you read the books it's like she comes down as Ned stark stored Ned Stark's has rocker brains. Love the guy rocks brains flat out, and and she's a girl who's dreaming of marrying the prince. So she has those like aspirations, and she's her heads in the clouds, and then she gets a fucking. She goes to the school hard knocks her first professors thirsty for second professors little finger and then Ramsey motherfucking Bolton's the fuck in you know, gives her the calculus lesson. So she has all those people in her brain. So she learns literally to trust no one, and the basically expect the worse from people. So I will say I think that's where she gets from. Yeah. Hurry. Good lesson. Well, and that's where. Well, before we even get into that. Because I think that kind of plays into the bigger discussion. We also have to say Sophie Turner plays a role in this. Because I now love her so much more agree. She's she's someone said she's celebrating like Lovie after the Cup. So everyone thinks so and said she probably won the crown, and that's why she's been celebrating BodyShop if you're the actor, and you knew that you ended up on the throne, and I know that they film like. But like you that I know it's fictional your act actor or actress, but you've got to walk around being like FOX, you're looking like Tiger Woods right now. Ten thirty at night in a Gusta. And she, and I I love I she's one of my favorite characters, and she's one that I'm rooting for the most because everything that she's fucking been through how tough she is how much she had to deal with like, she is maybe seem like the worst of it. She is monkey Hata horrendous road to get to where she is. But I just think that it's a little bit presumptuous for her for all these people to be guess, she's the smartest. I don't get smarter. She's office. She might be the best survivor. I should not yet. Prove to me that she's like, the smartest. She beats out Sar see and the night king, and all these other people the girl with the dragons, I think that would have to be some ridiculous Arkham stances in my mind, sir, Sirsi and you're on that exchange. There was a couple of things in this show this episode. I thought we're very like human that were like, you know, you don't have to be in medieval times dragons and warriors to experience this survey drops the line if you want a whore go buy one if you wanna Queen you have to earn one, and I'm sure all the girl. Girls were like go up quick. Yes way. I was like, oh, let's put that on a fucking t shirt for girls. Go how many messages would that be right now, still the racks LX? A little thing in the stars thirty seconds later. She can't even walk out of the room for stop. She looks over at them. Yeah. Like come on. You're gonna fuck me. That was the most female male courtship flirting sex up ever I've ever seen whether it's a show like sex in the city all about sex. Whether it's a show like fucking game of thrones about murder, betrayal, empower some things. They they stay true. No matter what a girl being like, nah. I'm gonna play hard to get. You gotta earn this. And then be like, bud. Also, I kinda wanna fuck too when you're kind of a bad boy aggregate, and he talked shit. Let's see what this is all about like God. It doesn't matter girls. You're all the same. You're all the same doesn't matter. If it's like the girl you met high school or fucking seriously sitting on the throne. You're all the same that was infuriating. Fucking bagging is I think for any game of thrones fan. You wanna hate FOX's more than anything in the world, and this fucking moron. This guy doesn't this very much relate to how many times have you seen a smoke and been like, she's banging that boathouse. Fucking loser. That it's real life. I want throws to be real life. Are you fucking kidding me? I got search up on a pedestal to me this like evil bitch hate fuck like desire pedestal, and this fucking idiot been able to just walk in. He so like comes e and annoying, and I fucking hate that guy for him to have Bank, sir. See that almost like that easily. It feels like no. Yeah. That drove me, Chris, do you know is maybe more of a book question. But just potentially nerd question. I feel like there's a disconnect between viewer you're on the books. Yeah. You're on in the TV show because as I understood it book readers like you're on is nobody to fuck with like do not fuck with that guy. Like almost putting. On Ramsay Bolton level of bad guy. And maybe that's the case. Or maybe we haven't seen it yet. But in the only the two and a half, maybe episodes we've seen him. He's just like shit talking like clown. But the fact that he is banging sir c and he is like making moves, maybe maybe there is more visible is that is that right to the way. I put it in. This is based on what I've heard from other people is you're on is the dude who didn't even just go abroad to Australia went to Austria for like ten years and comes back, and he's a fucking AUSSIE. And he knows all the he's traveled the world. So he's got all over the place. He doesn't give a fuck. He's a good commander. Right. So he destroyed sir c police fleet on the seas kick, the shit out of theology, and that's really not much anymore. But he also has the balls to go at servcies. Basically. I wanna fuck you goes to Jamie, like does she like it in the, but you know, she likes off the hard to he has like he's just asking her like like how what about the kings layer when he fucked. You know, you're not supposed it's all everyone knows it. But nobody says it. And the fact that even response in like, you are the most arrogant, man, I've ever met it. They're laying it on thick. And it is coming across almost like, you're a clown. But I think the point is like this guy, he doesn't he just doesn't give fuck. So I can't believe he got in that bedroom when he didn't deliver the elephants, and I understand why you can't deliver elephants. Lancaster, the writers of this show. You have to deliver those elephants like everybody everything I heard about the what's the golden company golden company was that there was elephants. And I was thinking about a fucking white Walker elephant, and I got all sorts of elephant things going on in my head hurts. Yeah. Exactly hundred shit. And then they just tell me. Yeah. I get it. Yeah. Sure. Elephants. Don't fucking going boats. It makes sense. But why even tease this? Then why why do they even say it then? Do that drug don't fucking exist. Don't fly either. But like their bend, the huge part of the show. You're telling me elephants don't get on checkoffs elephant the elephant has been fucking. It's on the board put in west euros, right? Yes. Maybe maybe they still can somehow get involved does seem like like literally why did they bring that up? If they were just going to be like what happened later, basically got to come at some point. If there are no. This out thrown elephant by the end of ten years of game of thrones never needed an elephant my life. You bring up elephants. You tease me you took away balls. I wanna I want an elephant don't give me elephants. You're not gonna give me elephants. We got a giant spiders decides to there's there's a list here that we have to go down and check those boxes, and they are right. He didn't deserve the bang, sir. There's no part of me believes that no elephants. He's just like a loud mouth like mouth breather. He's just there's one guy deserves the banks Hersi, and it's fucking her brother. That's it. Don't be who is significantly more. Impressive figure then Europe. Oh, yeah. I mean, you're on bam's Jared, right? Fucking king slayer Nikolai calls through WALDO is how. How are you? Person you've met him. I he was one of the first big interviews. We did on Casey radio. I would love another crack Adam not that it went poorly. Like, it's a good interview. If you haven't heard it, go back and listen. He was promoted on a different movie, which is awesome. By the way, we want to see it go shot caller. He got he goes to jail, and he becomes like a bad as a couple years ago. Yeah. It really was Charlie whisk goes. And you know, I obviously since then have Bob a lot more experienced interviewing people. So I'd love to get another crack at a game of thrones person. It was it was a good interview. Anyway, but just wild that like it fell into our lap at the time that it did. I have a question for you guys in person stunning. So. Search drinks wine after she banks. Now, do we know wine is, you know, all the shit. We know about wine and babies in game of thrones. That's the first question. And then she kind of gives the cry after he leaves like he says, I'm gonna put a Princeton here. And then she cries did she lose the baby I was thinking more. I don't know what first of all. I think that the wine lake whether or not they would have known that in those times, I think they're playing by those rules. So it gets away to tell the viewers that she's not pregnant. Yeah. Well, I don't know though, because yes, she was drinking a my my thought was more like. If she's already pregnant with a kid from. Jamie's remy. You would think and like would then become problematic. If he and other people if you're on and other people thought, it was his you know, what I mean? I think my my theory my thinking right away was that the reason she would bag miss moron because she wants to be able to convince him and people in the future that it's Iran's baby. So she wanted to be your UN's. I thought I guess you can't search says she doesn't give fuck but at the same point, maybe. Yeah. But she always, you know, like, I feel like, of course, you say that I don't like to me. That's how I I'm always trying to justify my head. Why why she's back into this fucking idiot? So that's what I came up with. I was like, oh, that's why she doesn't she know part of her at any sexual desire to get buck and pilot out, but we've got we've got like dad rigs right now, he's he's not allowing all right to have sex. He thought writing dragons was very dangerous. And now he's like girl you need to be more selective with who you're hooking up with dragon ride. I was very nervous. I thought he's gonna fall when people. Seatbelt in caps. I try to be pretty much seatbelt wear. Try to safety. First guy. These carelessly flying around on a drag it I thought it was a little danger you ever like put the roof down on a car. You're like, oh that wind is a lot. And that's a car going. What fifty max you're putting about one hundred feet in the air on a fucking dragon? Yeah. I thought the whole pregnancy thing I felt like just kind of didn't answer. Like, I don't know what it was supposed to this comes back to my bigger question. Because we got these pregnancy questions we got fucking Maury Povich going on with you got John Danny flying away to get a little like smash session in like, we'll hook up session. You got even aria and Ganji kinda making is there's still a lot of lake superfluous shit going on considering that like the apocalypse is imminent like they're still like Jon snow yet again had to tell Santa like this bend, the knee shit doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't matter houses and orders, and you're. Jason this. And that like there's bigger fish to fry. And for the longest time. He was the only one who knew that. And I understood why no one else was worried. But now everybody kind of knows the score. And everyone knows what's going on. But we're still finding time to hook up into like fool around to like kill time and chitchat and shit. They're they're hammered home the humanity of it. Right. Yeah. I guess I guess you would like if you're like out of the world's about that. And you wanna phone, right? Maybe I don't know. Like, there seem a little silly to me there hammering home kind of the romance and the humanity and all that type of stuff in theory, or the way I would think it's going down is because they're sort of setting that stage before they ever we have this massive epic battle throwing to just be death. And you're fighting literally the dead, and it's the living and the dead. But in reality, it's not that simple, right? Like living is way deeper than just living versus the dead. And it's you always got these relationships going all that. So I I took it kind of like when you're when you're always looking deeper the messages and stuff like they're trying to hammer home that fact to try to of get your heartstrings going a little bit because it's about to get real like even. I get sauntered being like did you bend the knee because you're protecting the north? Or did you bend the knee 'cause you love this chick? And that is probably a very real thing. But at the same time, it's more like well who fucking cares. It doesn't matter. They're like, we got bigger problems. Those two things are also the same thing could argue that the same like protecting the north and also like making decision because your love really in this battle of life versus death or the same thing if he was like law of his life, all sir. See and doing something useful. There. But that's the same thing. It's not once not you're not giving up one for the other like no aligned in this case detecting, the north is protecting life. And like if I'm in love with someone that's because I'm like, a living breathing creature that's against death. And the thing like Jon said, though, like if you you don't want to hear she can leave with her dragons army, and then we have to face the Nike with thirty people because everyone else is dead from all the wars. We've been having. What's her name? The little fucking bitch. Liana more money. I I ride hard for house more. I've tried harder for any house that has more bear island is my home away from home. She looked bad this. So we'll see word the little Sigler. Yeah. We on your own. I like that bitch. She is a bad little bit. She's Joe's funny. She get old now like the actress, you know, all these guys they age eight to two years for a season. Someone goes from fourteen to sixteen that's a big fucking different huge difference. But I love her she she's she'll little Spitfire. But these even that is driving me crazy. I guess again. That's that's natural people who are like grizzled and hardened by the north orange is going to turn flip a switch. All right. I'll ride for you know. But also when you know, again, I guess they they don't quite know the circumstances. They don't know what the army the dead's like, but part of me just like everybody just fucking. Yeah. But you also you can't have a half of half the season last season was Jon snow kind of like grappling with this sh. Can I actually been the need to her? What do I need to do to like this that in him trying to explain to her how tough that took Lizzy like how tough that decision is forum? So you can't have that. Then he returns home, and there's no blowback. Yeah. Right. Very fair point. It makes sense. It's just is you know, again, when there's only six episodes like we got a got a key moving here goes to our up sorts for and that's I think if we had an hour early grad this started with the hour and a half. This was the first one or there was just full ten episode season. I feel like there would have been a lot more like all right? This is going to play out or would have been able to play out a little quicker where John just riding a dragon like fucking expert, or you know, not an XBox. He was not an expert, but he was plucking able to gas in the break was pretty quickly on that thing. Now, this kind of goes like if you've seen the army of the dead, you're like, all right. There's nothing else matters other than that. However at the. And this is going to be like, this is the thing about game of thrones. If you armchair quarterback and then take a step back like fuck the on. It's like, oh, he got castrated was like fucking torture. I'm a little pissed at Sam right now. Now, he just found out his imagine telling someone you roasted their dad, turn them to ask roasted those brother turned out and the day was an asshole the brothers name was dick on. He was a dick right had to go. I didn't love him. And then he's like he seems like he's kind of bitter towards an which again, I kind of understand where he's coming from. But Sam we know what's the fucking enemy here. And it's not the girl who just killed your brother for anybody. Resents the bore. Yeah. That was an asshole dickhead you wanted to kill him that thought he was almost going to be happy. Yeah. I've part of me thought they're doing the thing where he looks really sad for five or six seconds. And then he says, thank you. And then he started cries dead, brother. Biggest cock suckers ever was there. Even really a need. Why? Don't even say anything. Why do you have to tell them? Do you do that to share? I feel like. Definitely never works. You know what I mean? It's just like again more, you know, more important to worry about. I don't know if Joran new jor couldn't have known. He was in the citadel. But if like someone could have been like, hey, by the way, the guy that save me, you roasted his brother, but I guess Georgia was the guy. He was probably getting his fucking skin picked off like scenes, the creeps, man. Oh, but this is all part of the human element. Like, you said rigs like I could get mad at Sam. But even he when he tells John about he's gone. He's like, well, you're the rightful king. And John's like, I I would think John is going to be like I don't give a fuck about. The crown. It's a ball about living, and I would hope police he's gonna say the same. But the way that seem played out. I feel like we're gonna have a conflict between him down the road. So let me ask you this as as, you know, diehard game thrones guy here were you happy with that reveal. And that seeing the way they did it. Good bad like satisfactory. Would you think I just think the way he processed it? I would've liked the little more take back. I watched the the two minute thing afterwards where they sit down with the. Director. And they said they specifically left the camera like on him almost the entire time. They were like, you know, the actor who did who Sam well was like he was delivering those lines. So well, but we wanted to capture John's reaction to it. So we left the camera on him the whole time. And you know, I'm no fucking Cisco and Evert like who can grade all these things for like, I don't know that didn't I I wasn't like on my God gives us guy all the awards for his reaction. You know what? I mean. It was it was fine. I mean, similar performance as a baby when Johnson was baby. It was the same. Just like look in the camera seemed allied now. I mean that that reveal when you really think about what you're telling someone he kinda let's fly pretty quickly. There was no like to sit down. I'm about to tell you something, and even John what does he say one point like she's the Queen? And he's like, Nope. No. She's not doesn't deserve to me. Like, he's just kind of like, very matter of fact, telling him, maybe the most important, no the most important piece of information in this entire show ever, the kind of use SAM's like emotion. For finding out about his family and all that to drive that right? Where he was like not really thinking silly. Like Charles rational as possible fire because he's emotional and upset and this and that so I think those spent I think fine is the word to describe. It was filed outset just. I just when you go back woman this all said and done and someone's like give me your top ten moments. I don't think that's really, no, importance wise. Yes. But just like actual, viewer wise. I thought it was telling that the the those two like Kalisa John snow like Elise interaction with Sam and telling him ever measure about his family and all that, and then John snow's conversation and finding out about who his real parents aren't all that the fact that those things happened separately with John Cleese e in different rooms, I thought kind of symbolized like that there is going to be a conflict yet the two of them are right because they like spent the whole show together. And then like the most important part for each of those characters really in the in this episode alone with Sam and who's like Mr. knowledge in like, they're all the theories that he's kind of running the whole show. And so for them to each be like alone separate, it's sort of my opinion started to kind of drive this little this little wedge between the two of them SU this club. As a man bring it back to like regular real life circumstances. Let's say you find out that you're the boss and not your wife. How's that conversation going to go? When you're like, hey, hey, boo. By the way, I run the fucking show. Now, if I if I'm John and I find out on the rightful king. But it comes at the cost of me having to start some shit with my lady I'd be like Sam I didn't hear that, bro. Yeah. Never mind like undo that. I am not gonna put up with the headache. The my woman's going to be giving me when I tell her that crown give it to me that thrown it's actually mind bitch back in the kitchen ain't gonna go. No, well, no, it may be the giant pussy me. But I honestly I don't play political game. I you know, you see it in corporate America time. It's like I didn't suck. The guy's dick above me litter, figuratively speaking, not till I get away as the promotion, whatever may be. But like I feel like Johns the same way where he just wants to keep the living alive. And I would think the narrow says the same way because she's always said it's about getting the target area. Name back on the throne, which he is that we're gonna find out who is who's about that fucking actionable. That's what Sam says he's like you gave up your crown to protect your people. Like will will she do the same? And I think it's a big time. No, I think denarius occurred plays this like, I'm the, you know, the breaker of chains, and I for you, and I protect you. I'm a boss bitch. But I also am not like ruthless and all that shit at the end of the day. I think she is very much about the power and the throne. Well. I think all the other stuff is like a smokescreen behind what she really wants is to be cleaned it became clear when she cut demanding that John. She just kept a man was so frustrating again, they don't matter. He's explaining this thing to you. That's more important that the same titles on that. Don't matter you agreeing with him. But then also being like, yeah. Cool. All totally help out. If you've been the niche kept like always doing that. Yeah. I do. I think this is win like being a guy who had a big anti Jon snow. Take is gonna come back to haunt me. Because I do think in this like little classrooms to him. It's very clear that Jon snow's focus is survival. Everyone saving people that in. I do that. She thinks she's gonna handle while I think his reaction all this is I find if she's like more into the Queen thing like who gives a shit. What's all focus on this board this battle? It's I think she's kind of going to be like, oh, no, no, no. Now, you're a threat. And that's it's going to be a problem. Do you think I agree with that that Jon snow does not care about titles? Doesn't care about the power or whatever. But like will there be a benefit to him to like him being king rather than her between like like will John? Snow say, listen, if I'm a target area. And everybody knows that. And I'm on the throne. That means the north will be with the dra- like everybody will unite better and stronger, and we'll have a better chance to win. 'cause then I think he will be like the thrones mind because it's the best chance for survival. Let's good question. You know, because otherwise, I don't think he would be like, okay. I don't care. But if Sam says, no, dude, if you're king, don't you realize that XYZ is going to happen, which is going to give us all the better chance to win. That's what I think will make John stand up to Danny and the poor. I think the thing that's going to going to fuck up. John title little bit is Sam has always been the one guy you could trust. And he's like, he's almost just as honorable John. Right. The wells been poisoned a little because now he's like well that chick my family and she's a ruthless bitch. And it's gonna be interesting like she's a ruthless. I mean, yes, it's all she's a cocker, man. She's conquered cities. And she did let the slaves out which is important too. But she's a fucking concert taking time smokescreen, dude. It's like everyone thinks she's good. And she's done some good things. But it's. More g she wants. She wants. She's also been for some shit. She hasn't been through science level ship, but she got sold the fucking Drago. Right. And then when Gorka through the desert fucking, Moses, she's been all over the place. He's had people try to murder her all the time. So I kind of and then the big reveal for me is going to be when she sees that ice dragging come and like that's your kid. And this is a real threat. Let's not forget is she going to be able to say, I'll do whatever it takes to get this question. Could you kill zombie AJ? Could you kill som- be comedy Sienna ask my zombie kids? I mean stuff to the day. I had I almost killed the human version of the puck. Dombi some shit though. What if all of a sudden, you know, chew those is open in their blue. It's like I got a set my kid. I mean, he's gonna have to go through the one thing. This show has done is show us how to kill kids in many different ways the kid. We're seeing all the little we see the torment, and Ed and what's his name the fucking guy. Derek and fucking sword white disorder now. No. Why? By the way, I leaned over to cloud like we were in the movie theater. Like where are they? Right. So. Yeah, they were in house number which they say in a previous episode. I think the car starts in the are the two. I houses once the east watched by the wall came down. They were the first house, and those were the mother fuckers both of them were the guys who turned on the stocks. Join Ramsey's armor. So I was like so everyone Billy kid had. He was going to get more. He needed to get everyone out. You know, like, yeah. Get it will give as many as you can. So that kid went out. And obviously the way walkers did their thing they put him in the little pattern. So the spiral is the white walkers symbol they've done that before with other body parts and other things in the forest from you since you see when he becomes the night king, the children the force like that is the the. Whatever you wanna call. It the symbol or whatever that's their that designed. So it's there, I don't know. So whatever the fuck, the what more do we know more about that than I than I remember? I don't know if we know it yet. But I I mean, that's gotta be that's a big that Billy. Spiral is gonna be something. I I don't think it can just be like that's our symbol like your wolf. And we're spiral like there's going to at some point. I think it's gonna come in a very tangible way that was awesome. He's stuck through the fuck and night through the chest into the wall. Tons of body parts make up the spiral and a little little behind the scenes here. So we're watching at the office where there. Six TV screens. And we decided to do it all in one giant screen, which I like I like for the most part, but that final scene when it's all in the darkness. It was the worst viewing experience ever. Like you. Go talk about like HD, this standard low definition. I couldn't see at all tell the difference. It just all dark tell what was a wall. It was a person. What was the sky, whatever? So it was a very like shitty viewing experience for us. And then you see those little eyes pop open shrieks. Did you hear me hear you? I see my tweet right afterwards. I said, I'm no snitch. But I said there were two people in the room who yelped like little girls and their name rhymes with Brent and flam. Two guys who were who were yelping? And but it was that was a moment. You actually, you you notice the eyes popping open before me, and you're like, and I was like wait what all that little streak that he let out even even our guy hormone was like I thought maybe we're going to get a death right there. Oh is there any now? The kid was the only technical death. And he's not a minute. Nobody hearing him would v tertiary. That's fifty every ten is nothing. But that was that was cool. Like that. That was your you know, that was your that your moment like winter's coming. Winter's here that was the big moment. Like, you knew that shit was about to go down. But the bigger thing weaving throughout this episode. And in a very funny way was brand my guy, you know. I I don't know if this is this is an unintentional humor, I'm assuming but brand just constantly being completely fucking alone in his cripple has wheelchair. Just like sitting in the middle of the fucking woods or sitting in the middle of the town square. Like every time they would just cut to the camera, and you just see the wheel every fucking go. Again. It's brand the creep just sitting there staring at people like fucking weirdo. We were the only ones laughing out loud. And that's why I'm asking. Intentional or intentional. Because we I mean everybody to a man laughed every time they would just cut to brand no-one pushing him. He's never wheeling. He's always just dare he's thousand stare too. So that's kind of funny. I mean, he's he's never close interactive. He's always like just awkwardly far enough away. If there was ever a spoof or something like a family guy parody of it. Like, there would be a scene where someone would be like. Branagan fucking like why are you creep up on me? Again, you know, he's always every day, and he's by himself, and it's how did you get layers? How did he get here? Where's he staying sleeping? What's happening things? I found on the rewatch didn't recommend. I I'm first of all when Meera read she sees his chair 'cause they build it. And she's like what's that? They don't even have that was a mind blowing experience for them. So of course, there's a brand is in his wheel chair wheel, they'd call wheelchair. Fucking bowling chair. Would he said the line? I'm almost a man like was supposed to be funny or is almost here. A man now. Oh, my. More like important being like, I don't like he's not even human anymore. I I don't know the level up. If you let there was a couple of chuckles where we were watching it. And I and I guess you'll be taken away. I thought it was more like half night king half three eyed, raven, I'm half fucking supernatural, whatever at this point. But when he was if he would have said not anymore that would lead me to that. But him saying almost I didn't I couldn't figure out. What does he mean? By almost I don't I kind of think I see you guys are say, I think it's like the status bars at seventy two percent. Like, he's uploading everything. Because that was the other thing I picked up on the rewatch is brand says I could see the past. But I could also see everywhere I think basically now so he when he's just looking in the distance. He's like right services doing this here the fucking vision. The fucking elephants are coming. Thank god. And only we need the elephants via reward is. He's fucking he jumps Bram bombs on people to he's like Johns. It's he's watch. He's all knowing thing, man. He just drops fucking brand bombs on people. Yeah. You drowsy. Such a fucking brand wet monotone like blank stare support information your entire life site. That's all you got to show something who is that dude from your political world like I worked on this for a year. And he just he just tweeted, I brand just fucking blew it my whole life. Like what what do you mean? Just now you just ruined on pathway. You just drop it. And then you go into the courtyard. Hey by area. Jevons doing the classic wheelchair our motion right out. Your. Good luck. I'll see dinner what the fuck. I'm gonna I'm waiting for an old friend goes an awesome line. A kid his age that motherfucker who threw me from that building common. And I'm going to blow his whole world up. Looks like we didn't do a full watch of the next on. Because I don't think some people want to know the next on watch. But all I know is and closures for three seconds. It looks like Jamie's on trial. Basically, everyone knows he's kind of scumbag, even though he has his redemption moments. So it's gonna be interesting to see so Bram bells amount. So brand obviously, you know, that that basically kinda sets this all emotion, especially if you subscribe to the brand night king theory because if he doesn't get pushed out that window. He doesn't get hurt. He doesn't have his powers. He doesn't work. It's become the night king. So you could even just argue that those two Jamie answers fucking up in that tower. And and brand just creeping around that window set this that and the fucking bore. It doesn't mean like the two things that really kind of set these all this shit in motion are actually kind of these little, you know, like. Could have been avoided type situations. But obviously, it's Jamie and brand meeting for the first time. What do you think he like, what do you think is brand bomb? Jamie's going to be or is it just like fuck you, man. He's gonna he's gonna operates fair for they're going to be shocked. How how fairy is think like my thought was going to be that? He's that that brand it'd be like, I don't care that you fucking paralyze me a window. We got we got bigger things more important things going on. And I know about them, you know, he's like such a different level. Now that I don't even think he thinks about revenge or hey, or any of that kind of ship imagine. If you're banging your sister. You wanna see this fucking wards? Jay. That's it just that. He's just gone this just not the same anymore. That'd be all time. Either way, I think we're you know, that that's going to be a hell of a scene. I always do this MVP LV peas, and I'll tell you brands EP this episode. He's the MVP of the season right now. I'm telling you the brand Waggin is rolling. He is so goddamn important to this show. Right. And I was snow hold on day. One is the most important person in the show. I mean, that's hard to say he's from. I don't know. How could argue that he isn't every book was like and every time so I didn't like season one. When I first started watching I think I was one season behind. So I've binged the first season and like it was one of those shows the first six episodes. It's kinda like out I don't like this. And that's a lot of time for me to commit and thank God. I did. But one of my main gripes was like a lot of brands Schick on him. He'd be like fuck this kid brand. I don't care about rant. And everybody always tells me how fucking important he is. They all said to me, you know, nothing KFC, and I get all that. I'm not saying he's not important. But I don't think he's a good like character on the screen. There was a. Time when people are lying. Adrian words analogy is a weird nee stupid. He's funny looking and all that guy. Did was changed the fucking MBA change Twitter change the world. All right. All right. I can get out with that. That comparison. I'm just saying that like I'm looking forward to this Jamie and brand scene and to be honest. I don't think brand is like, you know, I could have been actor almost where he's he's always just like staring and delivers it his monotone voice. And I know he's important, but I just to I wanna make sure it's executed. Well, you know what? I mean. I don't think he's a grudge guy at all right? I think he's he's brainy always. So much more beyond that he's bigger than that. And like you said, we got bigger fish to fry. So I don't think he's I think these most is going to gloss over that. Right. And kind of get into the bigger deeper stuff. I do think as a big as a Jamie kind of stand. Like, I'm Paul that. He's arrived like the way in which he did like he came in kind of incognito. And all that I'm incredibly excited to see how he interacts with other characters like even just kind of thinking of top of my head like some of his relationships with the different characters, some of it horrible summer are pretty good. And now all of a sudden each kind of thrown into this fire, which he's putting himself in. But also like I just like, sir c she referred to him as a trait. They referred to him as a traitor. When they were having a conversation about the with what to do with your brother. I did not likely the to like your br-, the boat others like the two traitors. And I was like well now just considering him. A fuck it trader the finale of last season when he was, sir. She was like year year your treasonous, and he was like what for talking to Terry on right behind my back. So she had the quick hook with the treason treason label the T-word is flying lightly right now. So I thought she was just like upset and like throwing that word Raas or she doesn't searching, bro. She goes murderer. And he's a he's a traitor. Wait what down or you are not down? And they are you know, they they are not stand behind her. That's it. So that's that's one. We kind of glossed over. Ron Brown fucking those three chicks legend he's alleged. That was you know, what I love about that sex scene is the way he like tucked his dick back into his parents was very realistic. Oh, yeah. Like he was putting it away. All right back to work, and he's like Shelvin his dick back in pants. Exactly how you would do if you were talking. But that. There's no way. I know bronze all about the money. I know he's a mercenary. I know he can be bought. I know that that dude the creepy old guy was selling him hard. Like, a look with search did for me imagine what she do for you hybrid handed. The king, by the way, chaos is a sick whether way in the finale last season win the way he picked up the the severed hand Hamish pants when he was thinking about doing dirty thinks that fucking hand and hand he has I wouldn't be shocked if he's fucking making army on right now in the same numbers shit. Yeah. But I no matter what I don't think bronze killing those guys you've rolled with both of them. Those are like at one point both of his boys. There's no fucking shop any amount of money doing these two lovable character bad right to be like this bad like he's not just going to roll up fucking shoot and kill one of those guys. No chance I do think. Like Chekhov's elephant. I do Chekhov's. Bo. He's doing something with that ball. Well, and this is my problem is I've kill, sir. He kills her with it. That's what I would ask what I would've thought. In a vacuum. Just in that scene. The prophecy with her she sounds so fucking ironclad said that you'll be killed by the little brother, right, brother. And so people mean that mean, Jamie people think it means -tarian, I saw my brother was saying, you know, that she's going to have twins, and and the brothers going to be Littler. And that she's gonna die in childbirth. You know, like, there's there's a bunch of different possibilities with this little brother. Avi word, what does it Volve Alan court island core? But I don't know that doesn't have to happen. But everything else in their prophecy came true. I already said I'm scared a little finger ever see now if to worry about Jamie, Tyrian, taking a fucking cross bow arrow to the eye 'cause crossbows can just kill you. I mean, we saw what happened with the we just. Era, our two again, I don't wanna be that guy. And I I don't want to waste any time talking about fucking theon. But like they just crept on that boat. Real fucking easy. I mean, just appear about yeah. Like just knuckle up and like for what's supposed to be like a pretty fucking bad ass ruthless. Army just waited for your onto go fucking sweep police are searching for feed, and it was like right now, we go I need more theon like people are telling me yon, his redemption theme is going to be worth it. I this. I'd be more the rescuing are I didn't go to winner fell need him to kill the Nike, Bernie, if he even like, I'm not invested in him enough to even care about whether he redeems himself or not the only thing I thought was interesting is is when Yara explained how the iron islands might be important because of the water and how the dead guess there. So now, if you wanna tell me that the the location that those guys are rightfully in control of is going to be come imperative, then fine. We gotta pay a little bit of attention at the end. And you are I. Get it. But I don't. Talk about them personally now. And I think theon did he's a he's a failure character, he fails. And I think the end of the day, that's he's a cowardice failure. And at the end of the day, they're going to build they've done this many times when they build them back up. Right. Like he has kind of these redemptions where he saves people. And then eventually he fucking fails again. And then he kind of builds back up. I think ultimately he's going to build himself back up to the point where it's like this this the highest mountain of redemption he's ever been. And then he's can have the biggest fall he's ever had. You can't get like he's gonna blow it when he could like save John snow's life. Yeah. Something like that. And he's gonna fuck it all, of course. I don't care. What you're saying is is is probably very true. I mean, he's done it when he jumped off the boat instead of saving Yara, they always give them the opportunity. But I just can't imagine that there is literally a single person in the world. Who's like, I can't wait to see what happens with the. I I mean, I really don't think there's a single. I can't wait to see what happens with the. No. I wanna see cowards. I want him to because you know, what in our hearts, we all know, we would be theon. If you saw your uncle on the boat, and he takes my sister. He takes whatever sue ya jumping in the water, and I'm fucking. I am a good. I'm a big, man. But I am a good buckets and tell you that much I would be fucking swimming. My breastroke in my ass all the way to store I would have been it was was John Casey when they're in the mountains, and this in the snow, and she was like knowing finace would have been like all right? Let's just say here. This is our. Fug it. Maybe it's my walkers will find us. Yeah. Really got a bad rap for that job into the what else are we supposed to do? Yeah. Fight a losers. Was going to beat the whole army by himself. You knew others. Download the fuck outta here. I'll be back. Uncle strength is just as real uncles. Don't give a fuck about not hurting. They're like, I'm gonna bruise this guy up. He's trying to, you know, take my throne. And that's exactly what you're on what a fucking killed him wipe the floor them. So I do kind of like I enjoy it. I wanna see do something. So preposterously cowardly that just fuck saying because you kind of funny I'm pretty like, it's it's like, yes, you have fucking suck the whole time. And this is the ultimate cynical of you're sucking. I if I was that actor like about when I was doing my press media tour, I think I would I would just pick suck man. I just on the word Georgia are Martin like wrote that like like there was a dude in his life named theon who was like the bully in high school or something and he's getting back at him writing this dick on user character. Nothing nothing redeeming about him. Nothing entertaining about when it comes to the actors. It's like Joffrey Ramsey theon. Prior just like booed when they're. Pitch. So I'd wanna bring this back to Brian the so what do we think about do? We think he's going. He's coming. He's on our side because I'll tell you, I this was an unpopular opinion. I was out on Brown after he shot at the dragon. I understand why shot at the dragon. He's a Lancaster guys a higher. He's always been then that's we love about him. However, those dragons once you turn on the drag you've turned on me personally as a human once the turns on the dragons, I'll hate him. But until then I will bride for the cowardly cowardice. What do we think about Brown? Do we think he's going to seem turning the crossbow over to Tyrian and having shoe seriously? Do we think that is our chance Braun is going bad on us? I think there's zero percent chance same. I really have everything in thrones. Where it's like they'll kill Ned stark in one episode season, the red wedding your whole favourite the cast anything's on the table. I really don't think they're going to. I don't think they're gonna turn broadband. No. I think he's good. He's a good guy. He's a good, dude. I think he's been like impacted to his. Character arc has been impacted enough that you've seen like at first he's sort of resistant to like relationships and eventually about how money and now he tighter with all these different characters and build relationships. And I think that that's like turned him. And like clearly turned him into a person who values these relationships, and ultimately that affects his outlook on everything. And I think makes them a good like he's the side of good. I think he's one of our guys to the the incentive for him would be to like become, you know, sir, sees guy. He doesn't want to second rich. He be searched UB one he'd be like two or three in terms of prestigious houses because it can be like no one alive by the end of this. I, you know, he just wants to smash those those chicks. And I I don't think he has enough like greed in a malicious way he's like, greedy. Like, I don't care. I wanna fuck and I wanna be famous, but like I don't think he's going to go to those lengths where I'll give them. I'm gonna put it at twenty percent chance. He he kills either. I think it would be Tyrian. Jamie Jamie, and sir are interlocked for their deaths. I think he might kill if he just blast area. And after like that they were stocked. Awesome. Do oh they were great tag team. Sees it all go down. Because even whenever he sees. Tearing her pod. It's like it's always like fucking old college buddies. Hey. Yeah. I'm gonna go by even when the the finale last season, he's like me and Potter gonna go drink while you fancy people, you know, talking about your shit. And that's just the do bronze one of the guys you feel like you could be friends with Ron with fit in perfectly parcel his own podcast. Fuck us. He ain't killed here. Come on twenty percents freshman. I will say I think when he sees that army though, he's going to be like ocean. I gotta go. That changes everyone except for parents Khalidi because we think is saying fuck this. I want the throne right now. No matter what. That drives me crazy. It's like, sir. She I understand being like, oh Falk like like, yeah. They're gonna kill them. And then we'll fight the scraps or whatever. But Kelly's e not not getting is driving me. Crazy. I think I'm I think I'm out on Casey. I'm not fully out Ecclesia. But I believe that by the end of this. I will be out on Casey there's gonna come. There's gonna come a time where out of all the game of thrones fans, which I guess ninety five percent are either pro John a team collegiate teams around in caluzzi, and at some point everyone's going to be decision because it's kinda go together, and it's going left or right. You're going with the big drag it might be three the night king who wasn't even on this episode. That was an upset. I thought I thought I didn't think about that all one white locker so little bratty kid that was already of not even like a, you know, a at the end they just like zoom out, and you see like the coming or no mention of except for the one fucking kid like kings like scary way that they did it like they show that they're around in impacting ready. Like right Zing, but they didn't show them at all. You just know. You're not always been the beauty of thrones. Is that up until last season? Why walkers had been on the screen for total like forty five seconds the whole series? It's. Just the looming threat. Which is why I think it's very important the way they're going to handle it the way it's gonna play out. I think is important because I think show is sometimes at its best when you when you don't see the monster. Or when the guy in the girl don't get together. It's always like the looming idea what could happen. And then when it does happen if they do it in like, a corny way or a weird way. You know, what I mean right now, the white walkers are like so scary or so whatever and we've only seen them a little bit. If you get it. I just want to be overexposed. I guess we'll right because that ad then provides an adds so much gravitas to whenever they do show the night king that you savor those minutes. Right. When he was going through his whole episode with throwing the spear and taking the dragons, and they actually showed him for an extended period of time in his element running show making decisions that are going to impact and effect like the overall outcome of this. We had never seen them, and they just showed him for an extended period time going through everything getting ready throwing the spear hopping office horse like all that stuff was like home. E? Fuck this. We about this motherfucker forever. This is awesome. This is a question. I post the Clem before do you think we'll see any sort of interaction with the Nike that is not war violence death. Not that he's going to like talk. I don't think they can talk or whatever. Yes. What will they'll be like a scene where you'll have a one on one with somebody or something like will be in a room with someone will he be standing next to search? And like, they maybe they don't talk it out. But maybe they have in like an understanding. So imagine imagine scene seem like they pan to like a top of a castle. And it's like the Nike standing together or something it's going to be him. And John snow do think somehow they're going to end up one on one. There might be it's going to be probably in the overall setting like a battle. But it might be they'll be included top or like some rumor winter fell or something and they're just alone. And neither one of them like fights each other. They sort of like have a moment they like look each other posture, and then they kind of like, whatever they. Go back to their thing. Whatever they always seen is like an army, and he's at the front of it or he's in the back on the horses. And it's always just been a March of death. But of you could see him in a more like complicated situation. Even if it's not speaking he was just like a different setting and scenario, I think it'd be very I'll tell you that girl Ellie she has me like rooting for the night. I just want the night king. Rocco? Fucking I root for the Lord. Sports dot com. As a lot of good shirts on there. And a lot of Tiger Woods shirts right out load up on all the couple combining. Well, we do. Well, we do we have a couple of combos. So Elliot's got me thinking I wanna see the night can get to where he wants to go probably by episode three which a lot of people asking do you think it's all the night kings gonna be wrapped up by three. And I now think then I think at some point either John or he's going to be like point like me and points of what he needs. And then it's like we're out. That's all we wanna do. And at some point they're gonna like all right? And then that will end that started the story, and then it's your search versus, you know, whatever was on board with the lot of the ideas that the the night king is looking for one of these babies. But I feel like, you know, takes while I have a baby like, no one. You know, what I mean thought of the to get this baby away killing babies is already here. Right. So I guess it could be that. That would just be such. That was like what he was. So small thing you're looking for Gillies Volcan, baby. Dude got going down. Your grabbing dragons or doing all this shit. Drag bucket baby right onto I'll put them on a dragonflies ass up to the buffalo wall. You guys hang out of the baby. Would you rather have the night kings motivation, just be death? Like, I was made by the children of the forest to destroy mankind. And so that's what I do. Or would you rather? Have it be something like that where it's like very specific almost maybe a little confusing. Like, why did he care so much about this? But at least there's something a little more intricate. So I wanted to be something I wanted to be a final destination that he's after final mission death. But I want that to be like better. I wanted to be on par with how intense he is. I don't I don't know what it could be like, maybe it turns out that somebody actually unknowingly like has is like son prisoners or something like that. And he's still around. So there are some of them. Those are the little. Marie is our up could eat just be going for like them for revenge or this the of faces right? Like. This included on water. But I guess the question is always will wire the wire the way walkers finally now after eight thousand years thousand to break the wall, and that's why it's not to say early on the move before Gilly was even getting bang by your dad, always do this circular time travel shit. It's like, maybe they just were waiting, and then they knew the baby on the way there has to be some sort of impetus some sort of reason for them to start their like March and their revolution. Now. So it can't just be like, well, we're here to fucking massacre everyone because it would have been doing that for thousands of years. The Nike ING the most intriguing character in TV history. We don't take them out. I would say. Serious mysterious. He's like, yeah. Very mysterious. Because I think that other characters that we've seen like on camera for like, hundreds of episodes, the Tony soprano's the world like the good and the bad and the Walter white anti heroes and all that shit. I think would probably be a better example that but as far as mystery and as far as importance and as as far as Otit factor. He really might be look like we're seven and a sixth series or series into this thing. He is a let's call it like top five central character to the pieces of the puzzle. And how this thing unfolds, and we know almost nothing. That's that's crazy. Now, it he's got an awesome name. Yeah. Not the nights king. I always thought it was the night king thought, it'd be I thought it was anyone on just evolved. Imagine if Gus freeing showed up, I of you know, breaking bad or whatever the first time we saw the Nike Ajax was doing chicken and just being quiet, but you knew fucked up the whole time. And then finally in the last season is when you know what that's what it is. Yes. A just a motherfucker Ming earth lauding, and he doesn't even smile when he gets the dragon the blow the fire doesn't do anything. Just looking. It's like it was almost like weird. It was like a meme afterwards. So ridiculous. So I don't know what we're getting. But that's why I really hope the one thing I think they should give us is backstory on him. I think that that question should be answered in the form of flashback or some sort of confirmation. Like, you said like pointing or a very obvious like this is what I want because that I think will will take it from serious, truly intriguing and Catholic I think that's like my number one. Hope right now, information wise is I want the back story on the night king. I just we I wanna know more about that motherfucker. I wanna get deepened. I want his like the complexity of his character. We know everybody we know everybody else's complexities. The million degree. We know who they've been fucking who they're pissed about who killed their mom rain their sister. We know everything and like we lived in Rican feel it and like it felt like like we got raped like sounds got raped like you're like when that bitch goes after people like, yeah, I fucked your damn Reich hell and now the knife king. It's like, oh, we don't know anything about you man, coming all the way down. Coming all the way down. Here you're crazy as army. What's the deal? Give something I've I've really softened on him. I really think he may not such a bad guy. It sounds like you're saying shelter. Spreading their limbs on it. God damn spot on the wall. The didn't want to do that. They should've taken up with the stars. That's all I'm to say, I will say that the the list movement, and I feel like you and Elliot are leading the charge of like maybe the night kings. Not that bad either. You guys are going to be like, correct? And you nailed the prediction where you're going to look very foolish real. No. He's just here to massacre men women and children at all costs sharks feelings too. And sodas the came just a Nike feelings to man like he just trying to get back. Like, you guys got she got me fucked up on this like he just wants to go to winner film. Like go to hire. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's could be. Yeah. It could be a tough moment when you're a team Nike guy. And then he just turns out to be the most evil worse. Motherfucker in the history of show full of evil. Terrible plan. Isn't I king? I've been riding hard. And I feel like is on has green up arrow just now it all makes sense brain number one on the iron throne. His. In Vegas trip has to be better. It's like tiger before the team tonight. It's like that guys winning this already sitting in a fucking has already. Thrones. We'll let thrown same let's wrap up with this. What do you think the? Baddest EBA lists most evil thing. The night Kim could do. Is there a specific character? He could kill or or away. He could do it. Like, I mean, they've already done they set Charene on fire, and they fucking murdered pregnant women and they've chopped heads off cut Dick's off. But like is there something that the night? King could do to make him truly top villain. Like, would it be aria? Would it be? Would it be Sam trying to think like the most lovable defenceless innocent of characters? I don't know if there's any fucking left can hop. Pyro? Almost Haapai dumb ass. He liked tortured Sam, yes, sometimes. Where the most beloved like character. You know, like. Yeah. Tyrian? But like that would be I would almost understand that something. That's just pure evil. Would be you know, like is there anybody left? That's just like, yeah. They set that baby on fire or some shit. I don't know. There's anybody like, I don't know. I'm thinking if he burned Sam live. I think it'd be hard to root for after. And he killed. He killed the dragon and he brought back to life. And I know I was I was hurting man. I was looking at my wounds after that night. So I don't think we can even process what he's capable of. If they I am just please don't kill anymore. If he kills ghost. And then he turns goes into like a white Walker ghost that would suck because fuck with dogs. Don't fuck with dogs. You can kill all the humans. You want? Baby's on fire. You fuck dogs. People are out on you. I agree with that. I don't I don't know. It is funny. Trying to go through the list, and it was like nobody's left who's loved the everybody's like at least corruptible or right? And I guess being the obvious answer would be like John snow or somebody getting that's almost like understandable from bad, right, Geno. Would just be evil. You gotta get rid of the king of the north. If he likes stabbed Robb Stark's pregnant wife in the belly then killed rob stark put his dire was dead head on his body and then slit Catlin Starks throat that we pretty oh. And the living the humans the bad the bad guys of the show. All right, Nike stand. Jesus christ. You wanna do you wanna tell the mail bag for next week? Yeah. Let's do that. So we do you want to do you mean or you're saying, well, we have some stuff we wanted if we want to get into one or two, but I'll just give you because we're all really are postal sports dot com slash ask. The throne tweet it out. So people can do it, right? After the episode if you have stuff after this episode because now we can go off stuff after the episode, whatever you want to know you. I'm sure we fucked up a lot of shit. Let us know theories. Questions corrections, whatever you want on that Parcelforce dot com slash ask. The throne Ellie was out this week. I'm sure we'll run it back with her next week. I also be we're trying to work some other people in put a put it was a big Sunday for a lot of people. So people record in other shows or they were busy. So she'll be back. I'm sure she'll school us on a whole bunch of shit. Now, not they're not was wrong about that. You forgot this. She's greedy blog of just all the shit. We fucked up. Oh. Listen to the show. I was actually as reporting. I was like that was by my like goal is like let's make an episode that even that a little bit jelly would like I vision her fans, not the listeners go you guys division. Her listening the head shake the whole time and a lot of. That's just the whole fucking time on her hip. All right, Elliot. That's all you guys. We'll be back. Same time. Same place next week for more game stores.

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An Update From Kirk Minihane

The Kirk Minihane Show

42:42 min | 10 months ago

An Update From Kirk Minihane

"All right I'll have we done this before now. Tengelmann. No right right right. Well, there you go. So we're doing this from three, if I think Mike and Steve over their houses on location so. Yeah, we're not scheduled do this. We're GONNA do this sort of a quick explanation of what's going on I. Guess People WanNa know. Was Friday was very strange. Excuse me so. I'll just run through everything. Stephen Mike can jump in whenever in then we'll talk about the bigger stuff, maybe after and then. Get Out of here, so we do the show. On Friday. And I started by. Going after Deirdre see our okay. Sorry, the company yes. Yes, deirdre, don't be Deirdre. Yeah. The Cro the copy you've revenue officer of the company. So whatever I mean. I'M NOT GONNA go. Play by play of what I said. Anything that was serious. I've never met this human being I. Don't think in my life I. Think we talked to her once you said Steve. Doctor on the phone humidity in person I. don't even know. Maybe I've met her three I. Don't know she is I'm sure she's fantastic job. Whatever I only got to be so. then. I guess that went after. Erica in Dan a little bit, and then have this upfront which when you hear this little, be Tuesday tomorrow in which I then I guess I, read the stores a link to it, which I don't know what it is and access coach I read the actually code for this thing for the upfront, Sir big advertising thing for For Barstool, so you know. I get they were. They were pissed off about that, so we do that. We do the show. That's on Youtube. Which people I think saw so I don't know so. Erica texted me during the show. She said I'm I'm upset I'm hurt that you feel this way about me. And during the show I kinda reacted to it, and I thought whatever it was over around twelve, thirty I extra responding to around twelve thirty. When she looks back, and she said Accu texture copy. Of Copy pasted Pat McAfee exit. tweeted. Work, which wasn't like a thing I was just pointing out we'll talk about later is more to prove to sort of further supports have been making before gas learning. Okay, and she responded right, which is a guy. She's like I'm sorry it had end like this. It breaks my heart. That didn't work out. You're going to be great whatever you do next. So I was like what the fuck is okay like what's but I miss an as I'm texting back by response to that. Dave. So and this is. An hour an hour an hour and a half after the show ended and probably four hours after we did the thing I knew to which. As that's happening. Mike and I have both been locked out of our emails. That's. SORTA right us, so everyone's yes. Reuben started. Dave calls me. He's like, did you? What did you fucking, do you? Give the link to the up fronts. Thing with the advertising. Now's a yeah. I gave the code the should I not have done that? Was that was that morning? I SORTA got even think while I was doing it so. which no defense and he's like well. Why would you do that? That's fucking stupid. But didn't give out the link. He's like, but the minute fans will find link as like what you're like I. talked over forty five seconds to day was. I've given had issues was great. During this conversation, we'll get to some of the issues within the conversation, but he was great. He was absolutely right like you know I have no problem saying that like the one thing that you lay off advertising. Even joke around about that. Obviously minute fans don't just leave that fucking. Thing alone that you know you got good. People Barstool some. Don't some people I. Hate their most people. I like some people like they're so leave him alone. I was digging around. Obviously about this upfront thing fucking is not a real thing. It's not entercom. And so I stay. You've got to go. You're gone. It's you know you're fired or whatever and I, said well, you know. Really Okay we kind of we kinda debated from inner to. And maybe you'll give his opinion is the story of rundown maybe doesn't care so maybe a little different specific story, the mind we kind of went back and forth and I was like. Why would you know it's not GonNa Happen? Again, I, get it! and he was like all right. You know it was like a one of these ninety second fiery thinks. It is weird that you know. Like when it's me with the Albright thing with with with with Steve or with Mike over me, it's always you're fired. That I. Find Interesting. That's okay, it's just. Company said he was great about it in his core, point is probably about advertising. You don't fuck with advertising now. I could argue that if you. If you blow off four or five episodes of your own podcast. In your fucking advertisers, and you know you negotiate with other companies, and then you come back and you're treated like it's a big thing. That's okay, or if you allow a blog post second from somebody who is going to and fuck with advertising. It's fucking with advertising, but it doesn't matter. It's like it's a saying. If I could kill somebody does individually student so I ate it I should absolutely get it. Then we talked for while we have pretty good conversation, and then we kind of went back and forth three or four times. About other stuff. But at its core, that thing was wrong. I was angry when I get angry, sometimes I do things that are stupid. That was. That is the only thing within that twenty or thirty minutes. Things I would take back. So. where it gets to me, interesting or complicated is, and I don't know you know I'm not sure where the truth is, so it ends. And they want they take the whole episode now. The whole episode I don't know if that's ever happened the bar so i. have no idea. Maybe it has. Maybe it hasn't. I have absolutely no idea. So hold things down. Not Thinking this is fucking crazy. So, I talked to Dave I think once. talked to David about this. I was like I'm happy to do a you know a show on on for some Monday morning and The advertising stupid. You know get that out there. And he was like great good. He was great the Guy Day was goodness Guy Dave said to me in the conversation is like I. Don't care what you say about K. Markham. He's a fucking Shit on whatever you want, Shit and Schnitt whatever you want, anybody ever wants. Don't stop on average, which is right. That's perfectly fair. No big deal thousand percent right. I think the message also was like you know, but Kmart does not going anywhere. That's not going to change. Yeah, probably should understand that I said okay. I mean I disagree with it. Would be hard for me to work at a company where he still works, but at the same time I did think I, said. You know if I get fired right now. If Cave Marco then goes, and does something passive aggressive on twitter right? Some call algae's fucking. Lose my mind. I've got two guys who work for me. Who would also be fired then too so? You know truthfully. We're GONNA be honest where we get to the finish line. The truth is the podcast as best as we can. For the next few months might guess. Is it'll ending poorly? We'll go and do subscription. Everyone knows we're headed. That way doesn't mean won't try as hard as we can in this podcast with the best we can. Try and make as much money you can for Barstool. In for ourselves, but I think you know I mean. We've lost. Dave's confidence. The enemy. You really care them much before this I think Erica now feels differently about us and the sales staff absolutely fucking sucks so like I. Don't know what the benefit is staying anymore than the base salary I don't know. Maybe we can have more conversations about it, but that's where mad right now on that. Maybe I'll change all morning. I really doubt it so. I. Get a text saying you know. From Erica saying I'm saying you know. We did three hour show. There's a lot of good stuff in it and I. Don't know after the first twenty minutes. How much it was Barstool, maybe five percent tops. So she said okay. He could leave everything but the barstool stuff. So I told Steve that now. Now's like well, that's. We're now at the point where Dave start off by saying. You know we'll never censor what you say. To having stories censored deleted, not taken down and having people call US racist and. Having came Arco there, and now having this going on I'm kind of like what? You, know my head's spinning. And then Steve. Text I think from Erica Sancti specifically. They want to step about her in there. Yes so she's the one who actually asked me just pull down the entire episode. It was kind of a it was like a confusing flurry of messages. It was clear that it wasn't like a well thought out. Here's what the policy is going to be. And she said I think the text, said Ideally stuff about me could go as well. So so that's one. So, she call me today. We had a different conversation. She said that everything or yesterday I forget bigger today yesterday where you know everything's in play so I think. Maybe she was rattled on. Friday came to grips on Sarah I. mean the reality is nothing I said this tour. Is You know you? You're the CEO fine, but you also have a podcast, and you also have a image hockey playing kind of role with the guys. This one of the guys fuck fuck while if I disagree with something, we work at Barstool I'm the fucking call on it if you don't like it. Bark back. If not be like everybody else, I you know in this situation I in my opinion, no different than anybody else I think. She felt differently. Even yesterday that you did Friday. Friday, she was rattled. She's never been criticized. I don't think like that before. They overreact with maybe. You know if if it was a one to ten in terms of me going at somebody, I would put two maybe a three by my standard, but she's never really done that before, and there's a lot of stuff on twitter. But to me, it looks worse when you take all that stuff now. Because people already saw the tweets out there so as I said to her, I was like this now is like. Having a meeting with entercom people like where they're saying. Don't say this stunk after these people and gave to me go after all you want. And then a couple of people on Friday told me you know would prefer if you don't go after Allie Chenevey more. So in those people, some of you will change their tune on Saturday and Sunday well. You know my response. That was you know. She called his Comey Racist, and she called my fans racist fans. Who you know are bar so people in since I was restarted here. There's been sort of attitude where like these fucking Shit, people like the fans and flight. They're pretty loyal audience. And you dave savings so for the first year you're you're. The show is lost money. This is before the Wilburn for soccer and all that and I thought well. There's no more low fan base in the world. I don't know what that says it. What your sales staff that they can't fucking make money off. The shelf came up the show. They should get out of the fucking money making business well. There seems to be agreement between the all of us Erica and Dave that the sales staff sucks and I. Don't know what's what's changed over the last year. Well, that's probably not going to be a problem for being fully on this, so you know. I think I think we have. Their point like I, said Eric and maybe I'm wrong. Hopefully you know and I love Erica I. Do Dave a lot in you know like? We can't Matt each other. That's life, but said Eric Is I. Feel like I'm pointing a gun. You guys. You guys are pointing a gun back at me here not to wonder. You know what it was worth. It and I don't know and we'll find out. I. Think going forward I mean obviously we're. We're looking I mean. I've got a boss who's tried to fire twice tried to fire. My producer tried to fire my psychic. He's tried to. Over the fans. Yeah, natural human reaction would be well. Let's start looking at some other options I mean obviously subscription subscription service. is a real option Obviously we're looking at it I mean you know I don't I? Don't you know and I, and it's one of those things where you know if we decided to part ways in six months or year or three weeks or two years whatever? I don't I still don't think you'll be entercom because I like Erica I like Dave. I never liked Martin David sealed or Joe Zarbano I never trusted them I. Don't think the. Dave and Eric are doing this at all. From a point of like you know I'd again I just always look back at the contrast when I took a leave and said Raver snot chuckle comp did these are good human beings? They and I and I liked Dan Kevin Jarre corrobos Casey and Brandon Walker I mean there's a lot of people Mike. Fowler a Lotta. Great people you a lot of people. So I don't want it to end ugly. I just WanNa do our stuff. And maybe things will float around four away for while okay, but it does feel like the end is definitely near, and if that means going subscription service, that's great. I you know I look forward to that challenge to with that's next. That's next if we do this on the SIC months. That's great you know, but it's like you kind waiting now for this one. You know this specific. Like if you want to do the root of where the mistake was obviously made me giving out, that code is the mistake, the reaction to it to that on its own is fine, but the reaction to scrub sound do not criticize other people to is so not what I thought I was coming. Walk into an I came here in that part of sort. SORTA the same thing all over again. It's kind of like well. You know you're too fucking. Whatever for this to that and it's like well. It's up with I should probably say probably you shouldn't have a boss. I don't Boston do my own thing and let the chips fall where they may. we'll see I. Mean I'd like to. Through the summer anything you know, maybe I'll talk to Dave. Eric again in September and things may be settled and calm down. We can reevaluate, but you know it's. You know it's never it never good feeling. to to to to happen Friday obviously the I fuck up was mine, but then. I thought it was handled really poorly now we'll say taking on the emails and getting rid of the logo I get that if they assume or fired. They think we're fucking crazy, so they're just like we're gonNA. We're GONNA. Take everything away from them that part of that part of. But, but. Yeah, it's IT'S A. It's a frustrating. Done very quick. That was right after the show. Though I don't blame them, we're going like. I I'd no problem with that I. I really don't that's that's they. Don't trust us. You know Dave doesn't trust US I don't think Erica trust us that much. She likes me. But you know I mean. We had a good talk. FRY TALK SAVAGE! She was very upset. She was very emotional so as I on our conversation on Friday. you know I should be intellectually. GET OVER THE KMART Can't I can't fucking believe this form is still there now. You're seeing this. Idiot soccer threatening. Some black lives matter protested fucking Sakho he's just fucking lunatic, and we're lucky stoop. He's fat stupid piece of Shit. We got lucky. Could Easily the platform to somebody else but. You know. I I so. I don't know how it's going to I mean I think I now it's going to end I. Think it's probably GonNa. End Sooner rather than later. I've been wrong before, but I doubt it right now. So the nine ninety nine year, twitter bio was merely symbolic. A lot of people thought about the. was I mean I don't know I? Mean we'll, we'll start. You know you always have to have a backup plan I. Mean I'M GONNA lie? We're spit balling ideas and doing stuff for that right now. Because when you you know when you work in the company where he twice you've been fired and then not fired and then my producer and fired. Whether, it's whether it's you know earner, not I mean I'm fucking forty five year old man like I'm not. I'm going to have my ducks in a row for what happens next and I know we're going to drag a big crowd over twitter. We do next whether it's a different podcast or different place or You know whatever it is or maybe we say. A year from now we say. Gee Sweden. They float the idea of doing a subscription service at Barstool, so I don't know what I've. No idea with next is now my answer that would be. We'll bosses at that point so I'm not sure what the why that would be a great benefit for us, but maybe it would be something that will look right and leave us alone. I have no idea, but right now I would say. You know gun to my head. I would be. Stunned if this show is still at Barstool by Labor Day shocked. What'd you strange would turn took because I feel like a couple of weeks ago, it almost felt like things were going well. You know they were I think. On Number Marco. Thing changed. Everything totally changed everything. My reaction to it and I can't let things go, and that's an issue. There's no question about it and I'm not going to change because in Dave's Dave. Thing was like you know you just. You have a hard time letting this stuff. Go and he's right. In an you know just because I am about the K. Marco thing well. You know other people I. Think would say well all right well. We're stuck with this fucking guy where you going to do. I can't do that As a weakness strength I think professionally but I can't. I can't let go like it's fucking maddening and he'll come back on. That's the one guy that was. We're GONNA like I'm GonNa say we. We will never let up on him I'm. We are determined to ruin his career that I that I can promise you. was there ever I will? I will ruin his career. Because when we listen to Erica's PODCAST, talking about K. Marco, it seemed like she mentioned restructuring and that type of Shit. was that ever brought up again? I mean you only restructing support that they drove or bridget through often, that's it. Honestly there's been no. Company policy well. It's been no well excoriating K. markups. They're pretty quick to throw people off a bridge. What's that? This last one with with like I can't stress that enough like you know day was I have no issue with Dave on Friday. None I totally get it. It's fucking stupid. That's business. That's real stuff now I wish. He was as vigilant to everybody in that in that way. Personally, but he's not and I understand that and I'm you know that's okay, but I I got on that one other. Stop fucking crazy including marcus stuff, but but dave was. By far the best person I dealt with Barzel about this thing on Friday by by far. Just saying that. K. Marco hasn't been publicly excoriated the same way that any of the three of us have I mean like you know blind Mike I forgot what what the issue was last fall when you went on Sirius Radio, and he just for twenty minutes mentioned on your head off Yeah Yeah Yeah, for making fun of Tommy. He just chewed your head off for twenty minutes. It was barbaric, but we haven't seen something like that. Like Kay markle hasn't had to go out in public and take his right. Like I think the three of us like well. This is obviously not going to change. They've nothing's going to happen. The AMIGA yelled at whatever so that's as punishment he's doing. He's little powder. He's not tweet me anything so he's acting like things are bad. We just have to we as a show have to move on to our show. It's summer. Take our vacations. You are shows the best. We can't every single day. Everyday supposed to be whatever and on our to do are two and a half three hours do the Sako make that make boss. A lot of money were still employees. And then kind of look at of the month or two from now and say is good for everybody is not good for everybody in. You know in the NC whereas my guess is. We're going to say they're going to say we're. We're all set. We're GONNA say we're all set and shake hands and. It'll be okay like this again. This is not. The K- Marco things I disagree with days, but I understand it at the same time. This is not leaving keeping me out. Trying to come back from a mental health lead, this is not a leading Shirley. Do Shit while you're paying John Henry a lot of money. This is not David Field. Ignoring us is not the infield that Bob. Merchants a nice man trying to change the world. Eric is a really good person. Dave's good to work really good to work for. That's really all audio. Especially David steals a piece of shit mark cannons piece. Of Shit, you just Joe Zarbano is told a piece of shit. It's father's Day. My Dad's dead. Glad his father's dead today. So I, have you know I have hatred for those people? I have nine hundred ninety nine. They're they're. They're right in Erica I think you know. Got Stuck it's SORTA thing where? You know everybody loves when I go after people that they hate. But when the worm turns and I, get that especially when you have a relationship with with somebody professionally. It personally our friends I eric. Our friend and I went after, but it's kind of like well. I was pissed off. You know and then. By the way like forget the code. which was stupid? If I just done that, which reacted to maybe I? Don't know I mean she sent text. I don't let you do about the coach of texts. You know, but the E. things in issue to when people are saying. You know you should be alone. She's getting tweets and it's like well again. She in adult, working for Barstool or not. Is this how Marshall is or not? I mean it's like Dave said of what's his face that sack shit? Who Live on our show for Awhile K. markets name. Oh. Yeah, like like you either work here. You're an adult. You're not want me to treat ellie like you know I. Treat a treaty Kate when she was six years old. That's fine. Let me know and we'll do that, but you know. She calls US racist. She shits us. You know. I don't know and I would also say like from a company perspective. You. Know where you're calling racist. Telling anybody stepping away, but you'd better expect some Shit, and if I'm a twenty eight year old thirty two year, old police officer, a big Barstool Fan, forty year old. Conservative or even middle road centrist now looking at right now I'm just saying this is somebody who cares about the company. Might. What what the fuck is going on at this place? This place has lost their way like. You can't fucking believe that's me. You know, and and maybe I'm wrong. Mean most people don't care about that, but has anyone at the company. At the company's wanted her to do a podcast with you or go on the rundown barstool radio with you. She wouldn't do it. You know she'll do her thing which he calls US racist. She calls like you know. Guys like you know TJ hub burden can Kevin than like people who like we raise money with and do things for charity and go and help each other out and like you know, send things to each when their kids are sick and like good people in thinking care of. Skin cancer so, but she doesn't know she's idea. It's just an easy thing to do She's a wretched, wretched, wretched, wretched human being, but you know, but but you know what's. Let's make sure. So, don't worry. I'll bet all bang on that. She's also thanking great great. She is the best makeup tutorials. Say Hurricane Marco. They'll think it's a good day if I leave. It's not a good name for them. If I leave, that's what I would say to Patna really. But other from a company perspective because I fear from day 'cause, we talk a little bit about. How is it going to work like in those five or six minutes, and I was fired, and that he may have a different interpretation if he talks about an you know, he's never lied media for us, so maybe it's a different. Feel on it, but. The way ticket were. We lost Mr Milan right, Kirk, can you? Can you start over? Yeah, you're just dropped out. Starting today never lied to me before but day a day's been decent honest to me before. always like like I've never had a bad interact with him by that stuff, so he if he has some slight variance in the story of how? I was fired in the not fired. Every says good. Watch the hotel. Some sort of I was cried or something. But But. Please stay from. He's not. True but. We like it seems like everything's okay. In terms like you know, we don't really you know at the end up. I didn't get this, but the RSP in the twitter account and the. You know the IPO. Stuff seems fine. Is basically you know, don't? Don't shoebox Hawaii and out the door like he. One because there's really no reason to even the K., Marco thing could trust me nuts. I totally disagree with it, but I understand. I think comes from a place where they need well the wrong. Turn their back on the fan base. If, they'd embraced US more. They never embraced us or I should say they haven't embraced this yet. Think going to change. I think they're making a mistake. Turn their back on us because I think this is going to be big. The next thing I think even bigger. You know if he goes subscription Wow, he has to be thoughts on the stuff before we before we. Do do the quick. Known really, I just think that there was maybe a little bit of group. Thanks going on by a group of people that are still kind of escalating and making the situation out to be worse than it was because like that code that you gave out on its own. I know the fans might have been. But. Not. Excuse dominance. Yeah, yeah, that's fine, but I I think all I'm saying is. Ready to fire us the email thing and it just shows they're Kinda. Read whereas other shows that might not be the case I'm yeah. I mean well. It depends on who it was, but yeah I think I think we're we've got this. Like I don't. Really care that much ahead. It's fine being here like you know getting paid. It's a song as is that I. think that you have some are we have some enemies of Barstool who we might not know who just like us and might be someone's ear kind of chattering and saying. What would you say Kirk did all? This is really bad. posse around Erica and that's okay to like whatever I. I don't care. I'll never know those people I don't want those people. They're not creative people. They're number crunching fucking. Zeros who had nothing to to the experience that I have never do to interact with them. But. In McAfee, a big star now much bigger much bigger platform than we are I think were were better than he is much more loyal fan base, but but he's huge star right now and I think if you go back and look at his exit tweet. You guys have read it or not. I'm sure. As. Know he points out. It's almost verbatim like I love Erica. I Love David is McAfee I feel the same way. But it was more about the sales, and not knowing what's going on, not being told things and I've talked to people at Barstool. Who've been barstool a long long long long time a long time edgy people. Who could you you've told me? They have no fucking idea. What money get? They don't know what what's up and what's not up. People who've been there just as long as these people are not as long. It's this weird thing and and I think McAfee point. Was You know like? The. The top people are great, but people underneath them. He doesn't trust trust them either I. Don't know I trust them to reach out to us. They don't care about us, so it's Kinda like why. If, we did at one point kind of say conversations. The you were just like. You, gotTa Start Selling. Would be what would you? We'll be right now. I have no idea I have no idea in its in its kind of nuts to think that like you know. The producer of the show is probably the lead salesperson for the show. I mean you look at anyone who's ever still still not yeah, it's it's just like I. Don't know what other show at Barcelo does that, I don't think there are any manages. That's what I remember I remember. When we were in red thirteen studios last year, I would say that to you where the some of the complaints I was looking with McAfee said it's the exact same stuff, so maybe it's just the outside shows. Get treated differently because they're not there I don't know what it is, but it's the same exact thing. Yeah and I think there is comes from. Had success my feel. McAfee success in is both these more my I have we both been successful lot of money and you look at it and say. Why am I you know? I, took a detour. I took less base salary kind of expected more from sales. And like I just don't know what they're doing. I don't know what they do all day. They don't care that never called me up in a conversation. What do you like? What don't you like what you to pitch when you comfortable pitching? Could you come in New York? You come talk to these people, those people these never happened, and then things just kinda show up in this week's do not have reads. We have four reads. We have no reason how we're doing. What would you say? We average totally different anybody else they don't care. We've got no feedback. Really. They don't give a fuck, so it's like why. Why put my. Career in their hands is not arrogant Dave thing though they're hiring people like. Why am I putting? My career in their hands wear made wouldn't go somewhere. Else can control ourselves, and then you know it's it's dented. Then we can blame ourselves at that point is Jeff's up to us so I don't know any questions are thoughts from you guys on anything else. How? Has Your relationship with dancing. Dan Now the people heard it heard that. Hang up and we're like. Oh, who should? I haven't talked to him? He texted me after texting back, but I mean like it's. It's you know I was serious? I said. You know like the jargon well On. That's going to make some people crazy, but you know we're having a good relationship right now. You know there's still law scar tissue trust issues on both sides, but I I like Dante opposite number relationship with Danone on the best friends, but like I. Don't WanNa Talk to Dan, right now when I'm irrational and he's just gonNA catch trap know. MSA Shit that I don't really mean, and then we'll be friends anymore, and it's like why over what over I'm GonNa be mad at Dan. Because he didn't fucking screen for K. Mark It'd be. It's it's. It's not rational. Thinking you know it's like. I'm just saying the way right now. Honestly, the guy who is the best barstool. Kevin on this people on twitter think that's crazy. Truck digging around. He's having fun. We've had conversations. He understands so yeah. I mean I'm sure. Refi at some point, but I mean we leave if we leave whenever like. Those relationships are gone, you know. I was saying that the other night. I I don't even know if they would be allowed, but they would probably never be on the show. Really Magic Don-. I wish. Does Degrade I. Don't have I if we leave, I don't have any. Like I would other than K. Marco dying. You know I don't really care you. Know I hope he does so. What does this all mean for our plans to move to main? Questions Steve I don't know figured out how to headquarters squish. Will they have a problem with US talking about leaving? 'cause I'm just imagining like at comment would be. I I don't care I. have no idea I don't care does I, don't I? E can have conversations. This show we talk about stuff is suspect as a episode of Doom -cations I'm just being honest like I. Don't maybe I'm just saying you know. Show US something. Show some good faith. We've worked hard. You fuck sold out. Of five cases so the S-. That's one thing I, said the day going to fire beyond whatever was June nineteenth. So you're gonNA fire me on June nineteenth I said don't fine and I. Said Fine, you know. But then you expect me to six months later. Due to sold out shows at the Wilbur and make you guys like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars six months after you fired me. Like, you know what happens to that. What happens to psycho? I. Don't know any do his credit. He didn't seem that. Could serve a wire another. but you know I mean there is no in look. It's the party's more successful than there's a clear double standard here. There's no. We could say we fucked with advertisers kind of coyly joking around and giving a coach bad. And another podcast literally blows off their show for a month and says fuck you their advertisers in. In cost them a lot more money how to Mesh. Standard that enables say more successful, and that's fine. You know but. It does explain the Marco. Think to me at the same standard. That's fine. I don't care and I mean I told when when we were fired at first. Subscription he said I think that's a good movie. Guys in Erica initially in text, which Guy Johnson subscription was a good move, so and then she later said she thought it was a good move for. She met the Barstool so i. don't know what that means. nobis giving me that proposal yet. I look at that proposal. Look at anything I'm Eric also called yesterday and said she didn't. She didn't mean that we were. Not supposed to. The prescribed out of I. Think Steve Thinks that might be different text I don't know. that your stuff set like I think now be segregated. Emotional. That's okay. I don't think any of it was a well thought out reaction, but it was just very. Stupid she did this is this is life and to a? We're fine, but I think the relations damaged You know to some extent on a certainly from around me. and. I said I did a stupid thing, so I mean that's okay. You know I I I. I'm okay with that. Else. Does that mean. Ouster black worked out all the logistics last night. I think we're good to go, yes. Yeah. We'll see. If. That's where we wind up. I'm super excited for that too I. Don't know I would. Be Ready to go and you know. I mean right now. We're here like separated this show. Every day will do. Our ADS will work or we're work. Like were thought to be for twenty years. Working less hard, you'll still get to our shows. Two and a half hour shows you get the Sako shows. You know who knows what's coming up. I have no idea, but we're not. We're not stopping like there's no way. But at the same time I guess that we have to be realistic and and I, I would put. US Your Labor Day five percent ten percent. You. Know but I've been wrong before. You know so I I don't know. I've no idea but. What was I? GonNa say. I predict will have fewer ads now in a weird way. That's just what I. Do think that the sales people will be punitive. About this. I mean they stuck I've said they've sucked Absolutely suck. It seems everyone agrees on that point every honest. Them Big Kevin Dave's. You know it, they. Had A good thing the same I don't know what they do on who they are, they've not. I'm fairly big personality with a fairly rabid fan base, and they've never reached out to me once about the fan base ever. We've had to do everything you know the Wilbur Lucinda, who? What's her name? Will offer. Parcel? No it's not Lucinda. There's there's a couple of. A couple of Around one of the I. Think Gen Jan with. Whatever says. Pick up a role. Which is this? I've not met her, so whoever that I've never have met her a couple of times. She was down in Miami okay correct. So recoil when I saw her in the hallway, so yes, so. She made two phone calls to the Wilbur. Thanks so much. That's a huge help. You know thanks a lot. I mean it's like you did nothing. It's not pretending. So the without like, and by the way that's huge revenue the Barstool. That they've pooh-poohed, that's trying I don't really that's up to him, but like we didn't have to do that, we will never asked to do that. It's nowhere in our contract. We're now. We're doing it selfishly of course some extent. But if we go somewhere else. Or. We say we could do six of those. In the next eighteen months in different places. Maybe somebody six seven hundred seat arenas, maybe somebody four five hundred also. And that's our measuring maybe bigger, and that's a Shitload of revenue in. It's Kinda just well someday. They? They're crazy. Kirk astle that I've been I've done this before. And like obviously part of that is my doing. Of course. I'm on naive. Enough things happened to you. You have to say well. Obviously, you're PAT. Your behavior is a reason for that. Maybe I'm just not built to have any boss at all. He may not and I've seen. This expresses idea that if I go somewhere right, love boss. The quality of my program well. I mean you know Kinda rail against everything with I think is crazy like we're going to be in the news all the time if we go somewhere else and our. Fan Base flattens to some extent which I don't think will happen. No matter where we go like it's going to be because of that. It's GonNa know like there's always going to be the globe or newspaper writer somewhere else somebody or somebody a barstool or somebody. That's not going to somebody in my Naral world. That's never gonNA change ever ever that that is never going to change. I find that. To be crazy. I mean there's been times where things have been great. My bosses in ratings in the PODCASTS has been great so I I I reject that. Yeah, I think people worry too much about it. Maybe because a lot of people compare you to stern when stern kind of became his own boss as when he lost his edge, but I think it's just such a different scenario. That's true like the first two years in already. Show is still pretty crazy so I mean I that's not. and. We're going to be in the news all the time during the afternoon. We'll call people out I mean. It's incredible to me incredible. On Friday in the middle of the show. Steve Teased thing, it hasn't been written anywhere. A Not a word, the globe Gordy I on the word of the Herald. Not a word anywhere near post had three paragraphs knows anything about it now I understand. Boroughs different right now. What's going on? But some of these should be on the plane in the Dominican Republic similar, trying to find this woman restart digging around. This guy's been shot mistaken identity in the last year. Was Selling tax. It is house the yard sale. Now. Has This against him? Something is fucking going on. We've been saying for months and the rush. The media's like pretending. It doesn't exist and I don't WanNa. Go off in this too much. Equivalent is Tom, Brady I. Guess for the Patriots to David Ortiz. Can you imagine if Goodell, Brazil? And I understand she's bigger personality or Some friends sales in Brazil had filed this against Brady. Everywhere a month and a half ago I know Brady's bigger, but you say or Julia. Robert Kraft. Like it's, it's it's. The, the amount of coverage craft got for getting a fucking blow job, versus maybe maybe this woman's crazy. I have no idea if you should make it up but I don't know who knows. And they know a guy like Rob Bradford the Pussy to the is or Abraham. They don't want they. Don't WanNa know that exists. It's so strange like the other day. Did something else I think it was on Saturday. And he and he dedicated Ortiz like after. Going on here and works the red sox stuff like that. We're never going to stop doing stuff like that or AJ. Baker, or whatever it is or Marty. Walsh or you pick the story. The car o today that fucking off. Like there's no end ever will always have enemies. We have a fan base that will fucking berate these people so I know that's Never GonNa end, and I know the fans of the best anywhere. We just stick with US year or they'll go if it doesn't work out, we'll go somewhere else if we go somewhere else. Towards the people that matter the most of the company, no hard feelings to one or two particular people. Will you know it's a that that won't stop? So I, I don't know. Anything else, boys, any other questions I mean we got a few minutes or whatever you want. You I'm trying to think of the other big things from yesterday. We talked about, but I think we've pretty much covered it all. I think everyone gets the idea of what's going to happen. Even just by talking to the guys last night. I think everyone has a pretty good idea of what what's GonNa come up here and it seems like people want us to do that. I don't know that's. Fair based Americans eight Barstool right now. There's no doubt about it. And I don't blame them I mean I. Don't blame it if it should not right completely. been called even before all this, they were called idiots in scumbags and the worst people on Earth. So why are they GONNA? You know I remember early on. They would get shit on because I. Don't think we sold as many t shirts as maybe other shows or whatever. Sanitizing them, you're not incentivizing to support the company. Why would they support advertisers those support live? I got I got knocked off. Your back now no video, but we got your audio. Yeah! That's right Mike and. Be At the beginning. It's been since we got here as are. They brought us in knowing who's going to be. It was these minivan. These fans are crazy. They suck I hate them. Fuck them racist and it's like well. Shit on before you say fuck, you guys like fuck with they are i. You know honestly like. I assign that good faith from. Would go somewhere, but I don't think that's going to happen I. Really Maybe I'll be proven wrong. I have no idea I said as people I like especially the people at the top, so people I hate I. You know My. Where we're gone sued, and may allies wrong all the time, but boy I see no way is the way it is going right now that we stay I just don't see it. Will be a fun summer. We'll see you. Keep doing our show off next few weeks. Obviously go to Kirkman and show DOT com. He signed for that man Kirkman show dot com. You can get some stuff this week. We'll do show either Tuesday or Wednesday night. IS THAT RIGHT STEVE? Yeah well, so we were planning on doing something Tuesday night, but that was what four this so I don't know I. Don't know what the is, but we'll figure it out and we can announce it out and if List with the during East Five K. Okay, we'll do something. We'll definitely do something this week and MSA writing old at this week on there as well so. Kirkman show DOT com. Find that. Keep US show on Barstool, not supporting us there. We work there right now. We're going to keep doing the pocket in how she. We'll be hustling for advertisers I can guarantee you. As nobody else is doing other producers doing that Steve's a salesman for the company two years two jobs, and he's call the fucking Asshole scumbag racist and a true. So I mean know it's the way is and Mike. Call the way so. We have to that. That's our lot right now. Fine and Kinda ball's in their court. We'll see how it goes the. Maybe they'll say fuck you and then. We'll see where it goes, but I'm comfortable either way but yeah I mean like I said my takeaway is. The coaching was stupid. I stand by everything else episode and I. Think I'd be stunned shocked if we're here September I. Absolutely shocked so I'm more serious in the meantime. Not Fuck. Walking choice no fuck, chance so yeah. So. Kirkman show DOT COM and we'll see their Tuesday or Wednesday right Tuesday national. We'll see. This was pretty reprehensible I i. don't know how it can be anybody's idea of humor.

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We we start the day there really wasn't too much at the start of the day we did. Of course, have David Talking to Memphis David was thanking Memphis for the how the week has gone. Like you like you stuck to your word man I really appreciate. Everything these to talk. It's just so weird. It's the most awkward conversation they're always sitting light. Eighty five feet apart in. It's just very awkward to watch and there's nothing else to watch on these because they were always you out of the time. They're both the they both get up early that's just the things that they do. And they talk about, you know like, okay moving forward you know we'll be we'll be right So. So. Dave on is going to ask Tyler. Are you going to use a veto. Yeah and he gave. I mean I'm not sure if this is the same for you but it just feeds kind of clipped into the conversation I kind of weird time I. okay? House, just. But as soon as I clicked into the conversation, it was again super awkward and he said something along the lines of like. Hey Man I was up there last week. So Now. I. I can sorry sorry but. It's not GonNa, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen right So. We. GonNa go until like Nicole. Like like I. said. No it's. happening. Yeah. As if she thinks that Nicole doesn't know that he's not going to use it. But this this is this has been a theme throughout the week with the. Dynamic between Poland Dave on Seymour event. So. We get to the veto ceremony. and. Veto is not, used. Devan or Kevin will be going home on Thursday. I mean we knew all along. DidN'T WE ASSUME AS MEMPHIS. One. H H. Chances you know the two of them winning beat out than. One of them comes down and goes up probably David I. Mean we we knew it from that. So is it Memphis's Dr? So. We knew it all along is just two weeks. So. They've talked to Kevin afterwards she's. She says she is not going to give those guys the satisfaction of a campaign. Then she does not plan on campaigning to any of Enzo Tyler or cody. She's GonNa fully rely on she thinks Danny Nicole Oregon vote for her and she's going to try for Christmas and then maybe David will feel guilty enough. Right and apparently she had somewhat of an explosive. Or something that she said during the veto where she called out. Possibly Christmas in along with the three boys from my understanding of the three boys were. Tyler Memphis in cody from from my understanding. So that was a huge talk throughout the day as well, and you know people were saying that. You know why are you going to do that speech and then I believe it was cody who is saying a why do you WanNa. Play the game. Why do you not want to campaign and on the other side of the fees you have devan saying? What T- what you just said Taryn I'm caning to these boys I. I'm not GonNa. Kiss but. Not a kisser butter. Right Well. The yes. Yes. We were up now here on Youtube. Kevin Kevin saying that that he? He says you know I've been. He says today Von I've been thinking about the situation again. And I'm starting to like. I don't feel like Nicole flipped. You. Feel like maybe just maybe. Nicole, flipped on us here. And they've on says now. But. Like what if? What if David is is innocent. In all of this and and it's really it's Nicole that flipped she's not Nicole wouldn't do that. That'd be outlandish. Okay okay but. But like maybe she maybe she was crying about it because she felt like guilty or like the Dania told her she had to do it. She didn't want to. Like Right. There's no. I can ask her one more time but I'm telling you. It's it's not it's not it. I'm Kevin Lemon you can ask her but she's not going to tell you no. No, she'd tell me. Why would she tell you? She can she? Why would she tell you? She would tell me. When I tell you that I was. At. My screen when I was watching this go down like first off from the start of it I was happy that Kevin was getting it some forced screaming for that, and then I was screaming when Devan was still pushing back when Kevin was making some really good points like these are things that you know I feel like a lot of people would notice and media questionable but I think that you know the history between Daytona Nicole. Davis is holding onto the thought of you. I wanted I want to mend the fences with Nicole, you know we played together and big brother eighteen it didn't go her. And she wants to. have. A different story in especially in an all-star season. So I don't think she wants to believe that Nicole could possibly be in something without her or even just against her flat-out. She's doesn't believe that Nicole would do this to her again. So she goes Nicole walks by and she's like okay. Go ask her and she goes into the room with the call. She says look. I said to ask you one more time. I've I've I'm bashing David and I just want to make sure that I'm not. I'm not bashing him if it's not true that you did vote. Tyler Nichols like yeah. I voted the way I said. Of course, Nicole does not get the say the words treatment. By. But Dave. I just I just need to make sure I. Just don't WanNa. Be Bashing him if it's if it's not true. Nichols like. It's true. When you can tell the Nicole is. Screw. Right, and what's funny is that She was barely even looking at her like the body language was so off like I. Think I wrote that in May notes that her body language was just awful. Yeah like Nicole wants nothing to do with this. She does not want to be lying anymore. She was like only trying to like make the week easier for herself by hiding her vote, and now it's become as she says, later, the most difficult thing she's ever dealt with that she's having to like she's has this person telling her Like like Hey I'm bashing this person because something you said. Are you sure. To continue to lie and she's like, oh Yeah and after von leaves the room, she's just like I can't do this. I need to tell her I need to tell her. Yeah It's just a very awkward situation and you can tell the Nicole feels awful about it but. Because on because the reason. The main reason that Nicole feels awful. In which was time Danny is because. Devan presented is I'm going to need to know the truth if. You know because see I'm I'm saying these things about David and has and it's not even as much about game. It's more about their community is what she was saying. and. So that's what McColl with super down about because she was saying I made this game move and I think it was a pretty good move right Danny and Danny's like, no, it was a great move. And Nicole is like I, but I really want to tell her because she saying. This about my community and such and you know she makes a on makes a great point and it's Another. Theme throughout the day Terron, it's a huge stressor for Nicole. Yeah and I mean I I, have to say you know like. Of course, Nicole is going to get overly defensive about this but. But I just can't get on board with this idea that lake. You. You have to tell me the truth or I will. I will be forced to be bashing this person. What are you know? Dave van come on you don't need to be bashing David. Like you have to ask a question to Nicole Frenzel and Nicole? France. Answer is the determining factor about whether or not you bash somebody on a personal level on a very personal level. Than, you have taken a wrong turn somewhere. Right and I, think that was. The point Dave on was trying to make was she already bash him and the girls were trying to figure out the girls being Danny in the call we're trying to figure out well, is Nicole going to do something or not a call as von GonNa do something you know? On election night she to say something she going to say something in. Has Already said something in Dr's about David and. Yeah. So I guess Yvonne's point was to say like. I don't WanNa look stupid and. Yes Nicole does go talk to Danny about this. She's like Danny. What am I gonNa do I gotta I gotTA. Tell. Her. Danny's like, no no, you can't tell her. Just, like I I have to. Know She's like she's talking about bashing David and Dein's like she's going to do it on the live show so like I don't know. and. That's why she was like no Nicole here's what we do. We just talk her out of bashing him on the live show. We. Just get to not do the bad thing. We don't need to tell her the truth about it. and. That's that's that's the move. Right I mean. My Gut is telling me that Nicole. I mean I. don't even know if Nicole word implement her goodbye message and maybe tell her the truth there because it's it's become something. So personal and Nicole obviously is very much aware of that. So. I'm not sure how Nicole is GonNa get this one I don't know if it's GonNa be a thing where she sends Dave and the jury upset and she tells her in person or if you talk by message I, I have no idea. I think she I think she's a going to say goodbye message. She has to. Yes she cannot. She she has to be the one to say on her terms. To be like look. I did this. It was it was a game move. and. I never wanted to be something that turns so personal. It was just a game move to hide my alliance I. Know I'm so sorry that turned out the way that it did, but I couldn't tell you because I couldn't. I couldn't let you know or anybody else that. I. Was in with those people. And I feel like I feel like Devan will definitely not be happy about it. But I think if she presented in the right way. She could maybe get away with it whereas if she says nothing she's she's dead Dave on for the rest of her life. I think. For sure I mean I think that whence Wednesday one finds out she will be deter anyways. So it's just a matter of how bad. We'll see we'll see. So. Dave GonNA. Talk. With. Kevin. He says that the Devan is trusting someone who flipped the vote. Over him. Swiped devante trusting that they had they had a chance that the the veto choice the player choice. houseguests choice in the veto draw was very telling to him because they had a chance just like the week before where there was an option on a chance for all three of them to be safe and. Of them chose him to play in the veto. Neither of them tried to even get that chance out there. and Kevin is just kind of like. I mean was it really a chance though? Right I mean. I think the to have their minds made up and they don't. WanNa believe. They just don't WanNa believe David and. I'm sure that the both of them are probably going to watch these tapes back feel pretty for combat on it. Yeah. So It turns out as we saw in the episode, the David Really would've used the veto. On on one of them, which again like. It didn't seem that way when he was talking to Kevin Prior to the veto. And we we see everything like. A I, th I thought David was actively avoiding saying he would use the veto on one of them because he wasn't planning on it but according to the diagram he was planning on it. So just again. David. Unfortunately not able to communicate his intentions very well here. Right, and we've been talking about the all season about David like his communication. His intentions are good with communication is just Off and. Hey I who knows if it's going to going to get better? Kevin does go back today and he's like look. Just one more don't do you remember how skeptical Danny was about the vote on Thursday that she kept saying don't like I don't know if it's GonNa work I don't know if it's going to happen. It's like she knew that the the the votes weren't really there. Is like because she knew that it wasn't going to happen right And Day says now. Because Nicole would've known and she wouldn't screw me again. I mean. It's just frustrating to watch because it's like, Dave on haven't you seen those two stuck at the hip. Since one you know wouldn't you kind of guess that maybe they're talking about stuff that you're not aware of. I feel like there has to be. Somewhere. Deep inside a part of Devan that knows she's screwed up. But like there's this sort of like sunk costs right now where like she went in so deep on David that she just cannot admit to herself that she screwed up. Right and I think that it reveals it southwind. She's so willing to immediately go ask Nicole, a million times can you tell me if you foot the vote? It's very telling. And that's I. Think if I'm being real honest that's I. Think why she asked Nicole in the way that she did she's trying to. Places much blame on Nicole as possible. Like Hey I don't WanNa be bashing David if if this isn't the truth, so you'd better tell me the truth. This is outside of the game. I think that she is trying to pass along as much blame to somebody else's she can when the inevitable happens. And I think that You know eventually, like we said she's going to find out from Nicole some some way somehow whether it be the goodbye message or the her telling person or. Or meaning the golden decides maybe not I'm not gonNa tell her she's GonNa find out later through Ian or something like that but. Regardless, it's it's going to be heartbreaking molded for demon. Yeah. Because because I also because like every time in these conversations Kevin to she always makes it about Nicole. Like, like it's because she used to talk about like no no I know I can read Nicole I know about Nicole like I know about Danny like I can read David. It used to be a lot about David now it's all about Trust Nicole's word I distrust Nicole's word and she's not talking about her own reads anymore and that's again I think because she knows. There's a part of her that is doubting herself, and so she's trying to put it all on Nicole. All say. Oh. Christmas is going to have a conversation with Memphis They talk about David, he mentioned his conversation with David earlier. David feels very appreciative. About the week and how he is safe this week and Christmas feels like Maybe, it's a good idea to Real David End. Maybe try to use him against Danny because it's very obvious now that Danny Nicole and day had some kind of alliance probably from the start. and. Christmas very anti Danny so anything that she could do to possibly bring another number on her side would be very helpful and obviously Memphis is much onboard as well. Yeah is so Christmas has been Anti Danny ever since Danny's Hoa. tweak when after the disruptor power she went up to Christmas and said Hey I've got if the veto was used I've got to put up another pawn it's going to be you memphis or ends up. and Christmas like No. And of course, you'd also had like seeds from Tyler back when Tyler was trying. And And those seeds were still there but she still trusted Danny. At least a bit throughout her own Hoa Train. But but when Danny, really presses the during her h week, she completely loses Christmas. And now she does have you know Tyler and Cody Enzo getting in her even more about Danny especially because they want day on this week, and so she has become the anti Danny person and she's basically doing all of the work four endzone tyler at this point. To go against Danny and she's flipping Memphis against Danny, and Memphis is now flipped against. Danny. In fact Memphis. Talking to tyler later. In the backyard, they're like they're looking at the moon. And it's because the cameras putting it the mood like. Something's written on the Moon in Memphis is like, yeah it's is Danny's shady. Right and I I I like I looked away for a second but I have the one I heard that and I darted back to looking at it and I was like is Danny around but then I saw her on the Hammock and I was like, okay, they're. Trying to do something subliminally but at the same time, trying to pass it off as a joke. Yes they're speaking of messages. There was another wall yeller. That caused them to go on lockdown. And David said to Kevin like what do you think through Yellen about? I guarantee you. They're yelling avow the day not belief. Right God and he can only hope that that's what they said. By you know I mean, do we know what they said? No. I feel like we we just hear about wally ehlers. You're even hear what they say anymore and what's the fun in that right? I mean wally like wall yelling in in and of itself is stupid but if you're not going to say anything like with. I don't know that's important than I don't know why why you would want to do it. I mean for all we know the lawyer was saying David did screw you over. You have no control over that. So. Memphis and Christmas continue to talk here. The Memphis is wondering okay maybe we can. David. Go against. Danny. What about next week? Could we is there a way that we can you get him to use? Kevin as upon Kevin's like the the pond star at this point. That we would say to him that it's that it makes sense to do this like Memphis is starting to feel like I think a little too confident about his position here with David. Oh. My Gosh. This was incredibly frustrating to watch because it's like first of all Memphis the relationship you have with David and the House has been rocky from the jump like it because you know David has much in multiple times if he feels a little bit uncomfortable around Memphis and stuff like that. But besides that. If if you raise if I'm pretty sure everyone in the house is aware that David wants to. Prove himself to be telling the truth to both Dave on and Kevin. So why would he turn around and use Kevin is upon when it's like his only ally? So that was frustrating to watch. It doesn't make a lot of sense. So they continue talking about Danny, McColl and day having some kind of alliance Memphis mentions he's like you know. Like cody there's no way he wasn't involved in that. Right? Like cody was definitely like he's a smart player he's probably like disassociating right but. Something to be aware of that I guarantee you cody was a part of that. Right. I mean who knows when these guys all turn on each other who knows when that's going to happen but I feel like it sooner rather than later. WELL WE'LL SEE! Christmas as well. Look we've got me. Beast you beast Enzo Beast. Tyler. Super. Beast. Like we can, we can do this. We don't need. We don't need cody if if he's part of that. So Christmas putting in a lot of work for tyler this anti Danny stuff is definitely, very good for him. MEMPHIS was talking about tyler being dangerous at the start of this week and. Christmas is really I think doing as much as she can to get tyler in and I have to give Christmas some credit here. She's doing it. In a difficult circumstance, memphis has been warned Christmas. Tyler have a final two and I under normal circumstances difficult to be subtle enough to like. Squeeze somebody in when the person already skeptical of them. But when they've already been warned that you have a final with that person and she's still managing to subtly real tyler into this block and she doesn't even realize that cody is already in which makes it even harder. I do have to give her some credit for for lowering Tyler's threat level with Memphis because it is beneficial tour. Right, it's beneficial to her but I mean at the end of the day, who is she working for and it's With Christmas I feel like she thinks that she's like this criminal mastermind in the house and everything was her idea and we'll get to it but the conversation with David that she has it's just like she's like. A mob boss where she's like I'm giving you these these. Ideas and I'm GONNA. Keep you safe in. The all that kind of stuff, and it's just like make you. Can't refuse. I think that's literally exactly what she said for almost. So yeah. We'll get to it. She thinks she's Paul is I've been saying this but like she thinks she's Paul and she thinks she is the better version of Paul and I like I like I said I. Do you do have to give her some credit because she is doing decently well At this, certainly better than a lot of other people in the house. And I would even say I would go as far as to say she has played a better game better game than Danny. And that would probably be. Nails on chalkboard to people in the preseason but. You know. I true. And and she is she's a little too blunt a little too obvious most of the time but she can be subtle at times and she can build relationship at relationships at times she has she does have a relationship with David. That she is using tyler screwed his up. And now Christmas is. Coming in a Ken to like help tyler out with David. And it seems like it might work. So but I'm not sure when we can't be sure yet Chris goes to David after. Her conversation. With Memphis. And she implies the Danny Nicole Day are in the Lions David says that he is after Danny that she put him up on the block she's target. And that is music to Christmases years. This is exactly what she wants and she talks to him about like potentially maybe you know working together in the future she says that look I know. I know you were vote to keep in I know wouldn't have called into you. And I am willing to set the record straight in the goodbye messages that like I will back you up with von that that you are innocent and all of this, and I hope that olive branch means that like we can work together moving forward. We make at least like a two week deal of lake keep each other safe. And you know maybe you know head after those people that we talked about. and Dave is like I'm in like let's go. We'll the part where she said I can help you clear it up with Dave on was very confusing because it's like you and Dave have had a very rocky relationship. Why would she ever believe you I? That's my question. I. Mean I think I think that. I probably when you're in David's position where like nobody believes you? Like nobody is even willing to there's nobody has gone to David even tyler was like. To have somebody come up to you and be like. I believe you I know and I will back you up like it probably feels pretty good to hear that even like will day believe Christmas I don't think it matters I. Think it's just a matter of like, oh, somebody else is going to back me up here. I. Think that feels probably feels pretty good to him when when nobody else is doing that and like I said, she does she has had a relationship with David Christmas is the kind of person and they mentioned this on the fees they're sketched out by this sometimes but she is the kind of person that does go and talk talks to everybody. That's that's why she was the one that picked up Josh and Big Brother Nineteen that she was the only person willing to talk to Josh in the early portion of the season and. And the same thing is. True David. She has talked with David throughout the season. and. She may have enough foundation of a relationship to make something like this work. Now, this is obviously a very risky move though. If she does not pull this off if it does not work if David goes today von and says, Hey, Christmas came up to me and said that he knows that I was the vote. Or. If he reveals that Christmas is anti Danny, a lot of things could blow up on Christmas right now not that it would matter that much because Danny is already already after Christmas but Nicole would certainly be pissed at Christmas and it would definitely blow some things up. So that's definitely still in the cards but as of right now, David has not revealed anything that Christmases told him yet. Right, and I think he's going to try to carefully with it just because he probably trying to figure out if he wants to trust her yet and I think that that's probably a good move on David's part just to take it slow and maybe see if You know if he's willing to go through it because Christmas promised him like you know, let's get to final eight or something like that, and you know let's we can ride this out and you know he he he was saying you know I just want WanNa chance I just WANNA chance so You know this could be A. Potentially, good move for David. I just don't know if the targeting Kevin Aspect of it is best even though Kevin's probably be alone but. I'm just not sure if that's something that he wants to do when that's like a surefire outline for him. Yeah I think the right move for David is to hold onto this information until. Next week. And See. You wins h if Danny or Nicole win eight age. Specifically Danny because you know it's the that's probably the biggest one. But like if if either of them when age and he finds himself potentially being targeted by either Danny or Nicole, then you go to them and say So. Just seeing how last week Christmas came to me and revealed the whole plan you about Nicole flipping her vote and blaming me she said that she believed me in that she was going to rat you out Nicole. And she really encouraged me to target. Danny and Nicole because you guys were in an alliance, would they've gone and? So, on and so forth. Right They are already after Christmas that gives them a lot of extra incentive to go after. Christmas. If they win next week if they don't win h next week, then you go to Christmas or whoever one and you go totally down the plan did not reveal anything I am with you. Let's go after Danny. I mean. So we'll see we'll see if David can hold onto that information but. I don't know. See, here's everything is I. had this thought it ran through my mind, but then it's like see we I feel like I. Think I tweeted this earlier I feel like a lot of fans WanNa root for an underdog David is now an underdog and I wanNA root for David. So I mean this was full love about I. Just don't know if whole thing like that I don't know with full do that it's just a matter of. What is he gonNa do with this information and? Is it going to be the right thing and I'm not sure about it because he doesn't have the greatest track record in the entire world. So I guess we're just GonNa have to wait and see he played with cliff. Exactly, this is cliff move. Slowly. But the only season he watched David. Well, they will actually they told him sorry. He told the house guests he was talking to when he was in sequester apparently didn't give him CBS L. Access I don't believe I was shocked by that, I? Don't know if the like I. Don't know if that's true or not I think he's lying. Personally. I mean he's because continue. Well, he said I think he said that to Memphis and. He. was saying that yeah I didn't get I didn't get all access and sequester and Memphis was like they didn't even give you DVD's I'm like this Memphis DVD's. We're not in big brother ten anymore. And Know David. Has pretended to play. Up. He is at times and. but the thing is memphis was like, yeah. Well, that's that's kind of your problem. Is that right now I think if you got to the end, nobody would vote for because they don't respect how little you know. Yeah. So this is a really help when you say that. Lie I guess about not having CBS access that doesn't help like that doesn't help at all. That's kind of David whole game is that he way over commits to the like? Past. The point of pretending that you don't know the show at all. Now you should start pretending that you know the show more than you actually do. And what's funny is tyler and I think cody were anything Enzo were joking about how that he's Never GonNa admit to the fact that he took himself off with the power that he's just gonNa pop out like randomly like a year from now and be like, Hey, I use the power by the way it was we all along and then they're going to. Allow his honesty he'll areas. Yeah. I'm alright. So after Christmas is conversation with David, Nicole asks, Christmas. Like what are GONNA talking about? What did he say he's going after. Christmas lies about the conversation she hides it. And Nicole is like just like he didn't say anything. I want he's not gonNA. Out Me, she's super worried about being exposed. Oh yeah and I think I really really feel like what? Dave onset to her about. You know my community all that all that stuff. You know I think that really hit home with her because as we know, Nicole, worries about how she appears on the feeds because you know they probably got in there and they told her hey, steph with Ian not looking great for you. So please you know whatever of our sponsors are kid confirm or deny but. You know it's probably you really weighing on her heavy because she thinks. It's on a good look for her what she did even though it's to hurt and Danny, it's a really good game move and she keeps trying to justify it with that. She's just paranoid particularly today beyond paranoid. Yeah. Like the thing about Nicole over the last couple of weeks now she has been getting more and more like depressed anxious because she knows. What's happening like she can see like obviously. The alliance that she's in is dominating she's in a position where she's like she's lying to people who are probably fan favorites she betrayed Ian she's now in this situation with Dave von. Dislike this is like this is the opposite of what my mom told me the to. Like like, this is not. Even like worth it but like it's it's like she's on autopilot she can't stop because this is the this is the car that she'd got it. You know what I mean like she feels like what I I want to stop, but I can't just get out of this moving car I will be annihilated and she is again so it An anxious person that lake guys she tries Joe always goes with the easiest route possible and She's now stuck between two extremely difficult routes. But one is still easier than the other continuing to lie and continuing to ride this a ride in this car is easier than than jumping out on her on her own volition. So. What have I done I'm just I guess I'm just going to be here until the finals and whatever but God. and. It's kind of like an overwhelming fear also of being the the lot while there's only two but that they've the last winter standing. So she also feels like that target is just massive on her back in addition to all of the stuff that we just mentioned in addition to the people on the outside world probably viewing her in a way that she doesn't like, and let's be honest Taryn she she didn't enter the house thinking she was fan favorite. So she's probably thinking did I make it worse for myself? I mean. I don't know if I can answer that question for her judging from twitter it's not looking great. So. Kevin is going to talk with a day again about. This time he's talking about like, okay. If I stay by win H H, I'm thinking I would go after like Memphis coating memphis on the block and von's like. But then if one comes down, TYLER GOES UP, right Yeah. So It's got to be cody and Tyler Tyler will win the veto and cody down. He's like. Okay but then you know Memphis but okay maybe according to what about what about like cody and Enzo? And she's like and then tyler goes up. I guess. Codeine Tyler and then you put up ends up. He's like, okay. There's there's been a like a side plot between. Between Kevin Dave on the last like. Probably month where. Like Kevin Likes Tyler. He he he he? He he likes tyler and Dave Van. Really doesn't like that Kevin Likes. Tyler and so they von likes to make fun of Kevin for. Liking she calls him a Stan like he's. Like. He's like Oh you're boy, you'RE GONNA have to put your boy up Kevin. It's gotTa happen. And it's very like it's a very silly sort of storyline. Yeah, it's fun to watch. I love watching these to talk honestly even if even if the strategy talk isn't like top here, they're still very comic relief. So, you know I I don't know I don't know if if can actually would put up tyler, but but David really wants to do. So then. They start a fire. I believe it was. I I was reading was David. But. I didn't go back I don't I didn't. I didn't see that it was David but I think it might have been David according to people and. The the the water was like boiling over the Pan and and like I don't know I I didn't I didn't investigate this fire but. It got on the burner and the flames went up. And feeds went out apparently. Cody was trying to like get the the the whatever it is called. Fire Extinguisher. Here's like trying to like read the directions for it and Memphis just like ripped it out of his hands and the. Goodness Now. Just to you know. Silly little hijinks. Situation? Really. Like I said. Tyler cody and Enzo talk a bit about cody wants to David. We know this. And so cody is trying to push cavin should go next week ends not really having too much though and it was like now I'm shaking this house up. Yeah that's it. So amazing. By the way I just say it's incredible. How much this man says yo every few words it's remarkable. I I was like you know what people are just it's been. Because I don't watch the feeds for his first season because I I I didn't watch it live but now I watched it on the feeds and I'm like Oh my God every five words every five minutes. It is not exaggeration on my part. In fact, I, probably don't say Yo enough in my impersonations of Enzo because it's difficult to adapt speech patterns that dramatically. Right. So Cody says, look I have no problem going after Danny if that's if that's what needs to be done. and. I I like her Yo. She makes me laugh Yo. That's it but she's Damasio. That's that's it. Know that she's smashed see. She's the Gardner. Yeah that's what I'm saying Yo that's what I'm saying. I mean goodness it's remarkable watching and because I feel like he's just in such a good position that you can say anything he wants about anybody while accept his voice but they'll just go along with then we'll be like, yeah, you know Enzo. Will agree tiny because he's very Another thing about and so is that when people talk to him, he will agree to everything that you're saying and he makes you feel comfortable in makes you feel like this guys with me I can trust the sky and on top of that the social aspect of it we've talked we've talked to death about Enzo is that he can just. Be Your friend and I, think that he's just I love watching him on each album. Watch him. Talk Plus. Beams all. So. Endo also afterwards is going to. Tyler, told cody something along the lines of like, Danny had said to him that cody might want keep our one might want to get rid of Kevin and and Tyler cody was like do you like is that truly? That's so weird of Danny. And Enzo is like I tyler wouldn't lie about that. No Way. Tyler is with us. You know he's our boy I like he's like fully. Because again, last week, it was weird with with Enzo in tyler where Enzo like we could send tyler out. Yeah. But now he's like I think fully back on board. Trying to vouch for Tyler even when Tyler is not there. So we'll see we'll see I think again it's because he's like ends I. Think really a lot of people are set like Enzo Talk. He's not actually going to go after Danny. I really like I think Enzo has been talking about going after Danny for slick since his Hoa train and I think that he thought it was going to happen soon after his h way train and it still hasn't happened I. Think it's starting to get to the point where he's like this has got to happen. Like soon and he's really hoping that Tyler will do it. If he can't do it himself but I I think he wants this to happen soon especially as they find Christmases on board. That Memphis is going to be on board like I think something happened in San. Oh. Yeah. That's for sure. The green light soon as they find that out gunfire. Chill do it and He's not apologetic he's going to do. I firmly believe that. So. Cody talks to. Christmas. Late into the night in the in the have not room also about Danny and. Christmas. The talking about how dangerous Danny isn't actually Massey and she's running around you better player. And the they should. They should be thinking about going after Danny soon. Christmas I feel like one of these days it's just GonNa get right back to Danny and it's going to start like insane drama because I think that Danny felt like she was in a position last week where. I'm the one WHO's breaking up my alliance I put up tyler I'm breaking up the committee. It's me I'm the escape go kind of situation. So I feel like if she hears even one glimmer of. Her Christmas targeting Danny so hard she's going to be like, no, it's her. She's the scapegoat like let's get her kind of situation finishes she would just be so willing to put that. Label I. Guess You could say onto somebody else a she's the one who's breaking the committee it's on me. Yes. So That's mostly the day here. Anything, else you wanted to bring up Lavina. I'm looking at my notes. And I take very extensive little tiny noted swear I just hear little things that make me laugh like. devan kept calling Christmas old girl and I wrote all-girl equals Christmas wife so hard and then win another thing that happened to was I'm going back to the whole Nicole Davis dynamic of Nicole feeling guilty and stuff. She actually join in that conversation I. Wish I. brought this up when we were talking about it. But during that conversation devan talking about in and she was saying you know he was sad whatever and then Nicole highs because you know her brains going and she said Oh Ri- right? You're talking about the campaigning stuff because in her Nicole's head she was thinking. Oh. My God. Was He upset about the early? Were they talking about the you know making fun of him situation but it was she wasn't even let that. Make I just thought that was interesting in like it just. That's hi it's so easy to read articles had his at and that's how I know that. She's thinking about the perspective of the outside world. Dave on did. The reasoning that Dave on has for not campaigning to cody tyler or Enzo is that she feels like. She saw that they made fun of they've made fun of every single person who has campaigned to them. And like I don't know where she got this idea right I was confused about that too. But I just kind of went with. Yeah. It's definitely not true as far as I am concerned. In terms of like. Thinking about like people who've made fun of campaigns like certainly Memphis has certainly Danny has certainly Nicole has. But she's she named like three of the people who I feel have maybe enzo a bit. Maybe, maybe comes from Enzo ends tens to complain about people. So maybe she feels like because Enzo was doing it then tyler cody must also be doing it but But yeah, I, I'm not sure where this where this comes from and why she feels like. Because of it, that's reason for her not to campaign. which just like man? Right she's. Heino in that's I feel like a lot of people in the house are just going to say like they said we sent we talked about earlier how the guys were saying play the game man like you need to campaign wiring year to. They're more inclined to vote her out especially because of so first off because of that second second of all because of her veto speech and I'm really looking forward to seeing what exactly she said and how she said it and how is edited. So that's something to look forward to for sure and the episode. Yeah. Well, heading into next week I. Think we are looking at a situation where. A lot of like. They're definitely Kevin and David or definitely still endanger but. It's look it's really starting to look like Christmas versus Danny. That Christmas is kind of taken up Tyler's mantle as the Anti Danny. Fit your head. And you know. I think if Christmas wins, she's probably GonNa want to take shot at Danny if Danny wins. They might try and get tanning to take shot at Christmas. And that's looking like the big the big upcoming war here. With, of course, just the the possibility still remains that either David Kevin will leave as a backup if like say cody wins or something like that but. The. The big crack in the committee right now is definitely Christmas versus Danny, and there's lot of ammunition out there on the field it's ready to start blowing up. Right and see this is the way that people have been waiting for. I guess like the big. Alliance finally cracking, you know we've we've been getting this in the past couple of seasons in a way it's good. It's really entertaining Gameplay and Drama they're sure to be drama involved especially because Christmas is involved I think because Danny's involved and I think that they could TV man. All right. Well, that's what we have for you from yesterday. I will be back tonight at nine PM. Eastern for the Stock Watch roundtable. If you're interested in contributing in rating, the players than the survey will be out as after this podcast ends on my twitter Armstrong Taryn. You can rate the players their game play this week along with some other interesting bonus questions if you so desire. So make sure you check it out tonight I'll, of course, be back tomorrow morning at eleven am eastern to update you and everything that happens today on big brother on the big brother twenty two feeds and tomorrow night's we will have the veto episode of Big Brother Twenty Two and we'll recap that after the fact. So check it all out. Lavina Working People find you. Can find me on twitter at L. Paths with two S.'s that's L. P. A. S. S. India. All right. You can, of course, also find me on twitch twitch dot TV slash turn Armstrong. Thank you so much for joining us. Next time.

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BB22 | Wednesday 9/30 Episode Recap

Rob Has a Podcast

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BB22 | Wednesday 9/30 Episode Recap

"Coming to you live from my apartment. It's ROB has a podcast. Now, here's the guy who's a former New Yorker current California. I'M ROB CICIRINO everybody welcome back. It's like Christmas Eve the not not Christmas Abbott Christmas Eve, the night before the triple eviction coming up on Thursday night. We've got psychedelic salamanders talk about and much more as we get ready for the big brother event of the summer on Thursday night. Very excited to be back here with all of you first let's welcome in to talk about everything that's going to happen she so pumped up for the triple their only they didn't tell them. It was coming. Here's Melissa Danny most our you. I'm doing great I do feel like it's Christmas Eve essentially. I feel like it's the calm before the storm we're all just like okay we know it's coming. Let's get to it. So I am very excited for Tomorrow Night Ruins store opening presence yes. I'm ready to opening presents already like you know forget Christmas morning let's open now Christmas Eve it's fine Okay All right. To have a back here with US unfortunately, his islanders did not go all the way, but there's always next year. Disappointment. Ready to talk about big brother. Here's Matt Liguori Matt, how are you? Yes former New Yorker on the panel current New York on the panel representing all aspects of this couple of Californians maybe or at least at least one. Happy. To be here another cody California yeah. Yes. Cody. PODCAST. A. Day to you happy international podcast day to everybody out there. You know I feel like that earlier and earlier each year you start hearing the podcasts and the department stores but. You know it finally is here and great data celebrate here with you. Can't wait like Melissa said very excited to get you tomorrow night rip that band aid off and get some of these people out of this house already I'm sick of them. and. Then we'll have back with us to talk about everything that's going on was. I'll talk everybody's sports seems not a great night for her ravens on Monday night. Is Maree Fourth Mari how are you? Think's wrong for RUB. Install in that. I was just getting over it. Company. I was GONNA say I'm happy to be here which she Would distract you distract me. Talk about brother. Thank you guys themselves out of here after the episode I mean, we're here the season still happening I. mean if I wasn't on here, it'd be watching island finale. The. Finale. But for you rob I'll be here tomorrow. Okay just re I appreciate that. Back, here with us as we talk about everything, we'll take your questions as well. Go ahead and it's not too late I tweeted out the link at Rochester, and you can reply and ask your questions I get them in the show for later on. was a night of seeing David and Kevin on the block a little bit of a slow go and then we got a very wacky hotel of competition. We thought that maybe we were going to be seeing Dr. Welby Melissa no doctor will. PSYCHEDELIC. Salamander instead. I, this is the takeover twist like all over again where it's like it starts out and they're like this is going to be all week long like all every week we're going to have another takeover and they did it once not was it and I think that's basically what this is. I really saw that either he was going to be there for the H. competition or is going to be there for the veto and honestly I thought might just like have a recording of or some name in even if. It's just. Very. Odd that for each of these competitions though they're not utilizing doctor. Well Yeah especially well, hotel, we always get a crazy character so I wasn't really. surprised. But then when I dig on twitter people like where's Dr Will I. was like Oh yeah I forgot he's supposed to be. been like introduce scene of the Salamander whatever they had this elevator on the neighbor balcony. Will was in the suit or not counting. It was a suit I think it was like a it was like a puppet. I mean, yeah it usually is but I don't know. A perfect. Type Yeah I love that idea if we had some sort of mass singer where he Also on reality TV tonight. In Washington. Yeah I really thought they were tab that Dr will was the neighbor and I thought he was going to be like. Like. Hey, neighbor, can I borrow a cup of sugar and? Go look for something like that. He was borrowing but now no doctor well, maybe we'll see A. Split second of him during the triple action coming up on Thursday. But I guess, let's let's talk about what we ended up seeing tonight. Cody's nominations was David and it was Kevin but we do get a lot of the Nicole Danny Christmas. subplot, which is going on in the season where all the guys in the House for the most part they're all working together. But this big this trio is a lot of intrigue between Nicole Danny, Christmas and Danny. She wants to play in veto just so she can win prizes. Because she really wants Christmas to go home but Nicole France says not so fast. I've been talking about this for a while. I think that Nicole realizes that she needs to May thro Danny under the bus for all of the things that have gone wrong for her this season both maybe to herself and in the diary room especially. Yeah, I mean it did seem like we were kinda heading that direction with like the I'm not following Danny's plans anymore. These were all her plans. She convinced me to do this and that and really it's like, did she convince you to do that or was it kind of like you did it together and you kind of a green to it so I mean I don't know I. I agree that she she's pushing the narrative I don't believe the narrative, but you know. It it Kinda. Works I. Mean it does make Danny look worse than Nicole guests in regards to the N. thing and possibly the Christmas thing, i. I don't know. But she separated herself from Danny and where does she go from here I mean, all of her eggs are in cody's basket like this would have been a move to make if you're Su- if Ian was still in the House if Ian was still in the house, this will be the correct way to go rhino. You've been playing cody's game both of them have been playing cody's game e-ends gone you WanNa turn on Danny. Now that means you are dependent on cody to get you to the end and he has four options that you don't. So I, think that Nicole. And Danny they missed their opportunity they let that their alliance dictate the people go out who were closer to them I. Don't know if we're going to get to the whole Kevin Nicole thing with that happened but even Cole was like I WanNa keep Kevin this week and he's like, no, we gotta get rid of Kevin like this is the third time that Nicole has come to cody and said, Hey, what this person to stay and they said, no, this person needs to say, and now you're going to be saying around looking like Oh wait we're all my allies gone. Jeff. Sorry say I think it's also interesting now on previous podcasts I, believe rub you pointed out that the three remaining women are each women who want to be the last remaining among them then, and we literally are watching that play out in this tonight where each of the women are like I need to get rid of this woman before I get rid of this Lake Nicole. Danny Jones got to get rid of Christmas and Christmas is like I got to get rid of Danny. So they all want to get rid of each other. So thank you glass women's, and honestly it's just it's embarrassing to women well, Danny a little bit I think Danny is fine to be her and Nicole, I think that she is specifically going after Christmas I think she wanted Dave von to stay also in her perfect world. So I I don't WanNa Brand Dante necessarily as being completely that I need to get all the other women out of that house. Yes. Definitely. been more of Nicole and Christmas way more than Danny in terms of that aspect is not to Danny has been. Plenty of the problem she's her game has has plenty to dissect as far as like who she's come after the whole Ian of it all like Martin mentioned. So it's been very frustrating now that we are down to this, I'm like I can't help but look around the house and see, yeah, there are going to be five guys still in the house these four that just don't seem to be able to be touched in any way shape or form cody, Enzo Memphis and tyler sitting pretty while all of the women continue to target each other and it's it's I. Think Maybe I'm past the point of being frustrating because at this point I'm like, all right you did this to yourself. When you all go out I'm not even gonNA feel bad at this point when one of these guys wins, which is fully inevitable at this point. I have nothing left within me. That is going to be like, Oh, I'm going to be like Yeah Da. Are you saying there's no other outcome than the winner of this season is going to be an and I don't know look that. If you've if you figured this out, then it's tearing in my four pages of spread but. Is this how we should be looking at this that there are only they're only four contenders to win this season, and that is cody Tyler Enzo in Memphis. I would put money on it. I would put a of money on it. That's what it's looking like because. Like I said Danny Nicole, they missed their they missed their moment like you go back to bb Cam five, win Queen Ikea was told Hey I think emily and Dila vote when she said I want this person to stay and they her group was like, no, we're GONNA get this person to say that was the second time in the world. The person that she wanted to stay did not stay she realized Hey, I'm at the bottom of this. Alliance she flipped it ain't got out and then she decimated her alliance might as Mr. Kevin Martin. So like that's what you have to do, you have to pick your spots. How can Nicole in Danny see that the last three weeks they have had no control over who has gone home and still feel comfortable that they're going to be sitting in one of those final two chairs I don't I don't get it except for them being extremely comfortable. Melissa. We've seen the call sorta like wake up and smell the coffee, but for Danny has she was like. Some things have not been going well for like the last six weeks. Not. Not. From My. Confidence, can I really I honestly it's like very confusing to me that she is in noticing what's going on i. mean it seems like she's kind of on the outs of talk a little bit and it just seems like people aren't really giving her information like everyone is kind of. I don't know they're not just being there honest with her not being open with her and she isn't taking that and going the next step, which is like, okay who they're not being honest or open with me or at least seemingly they're not giving me any information. Next step is okay. They don't trust me. They're going they're going after me I have a problem here and we're not getting bridging that gap what's happening her and I don't really know why unless she's just like so overconfident for no reason. Mardi I'd have to give Christmas some credit here because I think that she doing that self awareness I think seemed to have enough self awareness to know, hey, I could go up on the block this week if I don't end up being part of this veto. that. I didn't get prior to the episode tonight in these diarrhea rooms that she necessarily knew how much trouble she could've potentially been. It seemed like that she realized that this was a possibility she could go on the block. I. Mean at this point is kind of processing elimination. You know you have a six person alliance you know that there are two people that aren't in that alliance then Indo. And you know those people are going on the black. If one of those two people come down, so might have to go up code with Cody Bean H. H Christmas should know she is the furthest degree of separation from cody she's not a colour Danny she's not into. And I think she thinks she knows that Memphis in cody are pretty close. So I mean it's not I'm not going to give her a whole bunch of Brownie points for figuring out for several reasons but I mean it's just a a logical step. Her being worried about it and her reaction. Luckily didn't you know scare anybody away because okay. So cody puts you up. You're supposed to be secure in your six personalize you have to fake that you are. Oh. Don't me up a scientist whatever you know don't tell him that but you gotta be confident. So I mean she saw the writing on the laws she knew that she needed to possibly win if not gonna go up but I think she should have still maintained her composure and she went up talk a whole bunch of people. It's not that big of a deal I, mean not. At least. Okay we saw Kevin and David have conversation and I do feel like that. Big Brother twenty two has had a lot of things that have gone well, but I think that they have done a good job this season maybe not every episode but you know once or twice a week they give us like a real conversation between the house guests and we got to hear how Kevin felt like that. You didn't really fit in with anybody in this group and. that he didn't necessarily wasn't able to bond necessarily with the black guests felt like that he wasn't necessarily considered to be part of the what the black houseguests we're going through but also felt like did not feel like that he was accepted by the other group. Wasn't even really discussed also that Kevin is gay as well, which is an another part of his interest analogy. Yeah. I thought that this was You know a really compelling conversation between Kevin and David. Yeah absolutely I mean I was worried after case or was gone after. Yvonne. Was Gone that we were gonNA lose this kind of stuff because that's where the meat of all of these great conversations were coming from early on in the season case going out, and then you know the with Dave on going out this week and then Bailey he's been gone. It's like the people who were talking about really important things and not about lake. Californians not being real like that was concerning. But yeah, the, what's what what Kevin talking about was fully worthwhile you know to be expressing on his own end for us to be hearing nobody wants to feel like their identity is not valid in the eyes of everybody else around them like you want to you know you want people to see you for who you are not like that conversation with Yvonne definitely struck a chord with him like he talked about it in this conversation he brought it up a couple of different times and I believe that him and Hash it out I don't WanNa. Like confirmed that, but I think that they talked about it and you know they got back on the same page but it was nice to at least get more of that like real life talk brought into when it's kind of been slipping away from the picture of the show. So yeah. Yeah. How `bout catered with the PEP talk also like you're Kevin Campbell that's who you are. Y-. And so like I thought his questioned to date, it was pretty interesting when he saw. David. How how would you define me inundated had the right answer he was like, how did you want to? Find You I know coming from the black community for me whenever I have mixed friends or mix people that I know we always ask we always ask what do you want to be presented as because each person is an individual shocker including black people people are individuals. So when Davis said, well, what do you WanNa present as what do you? What do you consider yourself and and Kevin was like well, I don't really you know I know I mixed Japanese and data. So that's that's what is your black Giannis and that's what you are and it's different with everybody like I know people who who are. Saying. They'll. They'll just claim black because that's their identity and then I know other people who are saying. It's really how you want to be perceived and with Dave and Kevin Dave von comes in. From her perspective and if I am going to step into her shoes for two seconds as a black woman who is also about the same complexion as her when when she says, I look at the winner's circle, I don't see myself that she's talking about us. She's talking about like a black who was like a full black person it does not mean she is trying to take away Kevin's identity. She saying from her perspective doesn't see anybody who looked like her and arm my. My experience is not going to be the same as Kevin's experience for multiple reasons because of his racing ethnicity because of his sexual identity and stuff like that, and it's two different experiences and to to act like it's not as that's more racial than anything I think and it's almost like that answer that Julie gave to. Entertainment weekly when entertainment weekly said Dan talked about not seeing winners like her and Julie went into well, I don't think Josh or June or Casey was say those people are all people of Color? Yes they are. You cannot take that away from them, but their experience is not exact same as my experience David experience or even hell experience between the three of them. So it's just it's it's not anything to nitpick over IQ and I'm glad that they hashed out and I'm glad that they've almost like, Oh, I'm sorry I did it I was not China thin you when I when I was saying I wasn't telling you as black person I just did it. Come you know. As identified. So I thought it was a great conversation have on prime time television. I hope more people understand the situation in don't just be like Oh Dave was was was was racist for not seeing Kevin and that's that's not the that's not the case it's just different experiences. We are different people were all different people and we all have different experiences. It's been A. That was that was incredible. You. Giving us all that it's been such a weird season where I feel like that, we've had these moments of real conversation and talking about social issues from a lot of people that have been on the bottom in this game, and then the other half of the House you'll have has not been on the bottom I can't think of one serious conversation we've seen from them the entire the entire season. Game Talk. You know it's been brought up here and there and like little things that have been dropped from maybe endo maybe Danny of like like the nominees like who's going on the block consistently and whatnot, and then they'll be like, yeah, like the optics now look great and then some people just completely dismiss it. So the conversations that they're having are much different from the conversations that the people on the bottom are having and the way that they're showing it lake I'm glad we're seeing to Kevin stuff, but this has been an issue for forever but especially like in last year this year. These topics of the fans are talking about the graphics that I'm sure you've seen go round twitter of look at the nominees for eight weeks of the season that's not gonna come up on the show. They're not giving us that and that's disappointing I. Don't know. If we can ever get to a point where CBS is willing to like show like, yeah. Look at this show that graphic on the show we would love that like let me see that and then have them have a dr about that. Baby steps, I don't know. Christmas and the call have a conversation and I thought the started in such. A weird way of Christmas walks into the into the big brother House, and this is that to me that the big brother has such a fantasy to me because I see. The David had this at one point. Nicole has this. She's a sitting in a room by herself. Then nobody's nobody's talking to them just such a a world that I wish I could imagine myself in where you're sitting there alone with your thoughts and then here comes. Christmas who comes in and says this sweaty. sweaty. And then from from taking a shower. and. Then go into the I don't know why the editors wanted to leave that whole part of the conversation. I don't know how you can say they don't have deep conversations. Joining about the real stuff. Of Real problems real issues she sweaty. So A war is about to start and a call wants to make sure she's on the right side of that war with. Christmas. Because she has to she has to do a lot for Christmas listen. Question I shut that down. Yeah I shut that crap down that I. Hear about you. From. Danny. Dramatic music underlying I shut that crap down crack. Down so hard. It was Danny wasn't it? Yes it was. It. Was Danny. All the work you're putting in the cold you so much for. It is not a great idea I think for Nicole to be revealing that to Christmas, I, just feel like there's bad news made all around I feel like if she doesn't want Christmas to go. I mean the only way that this is beneficial for her is if she actively wants Danny to go and she acts wants Christmas and Danny to be at each other's throats otherwise it's like keep everyone calm dental. You don't know anything you know what I mean just like, let it ride and. In the same room like you need both of them right now. So she's wearing to kind of for any under the bus to cody to Christmas like there are big parts of the game coming up, you need both of them, and if you were actually playing a strong game that you would unite this group together rather than continue to you know kind of like just throwing them under the bus I mean. We could go on for hours of a hard time understanding people that defend the cold. But. Maybe there's another time. This conversation with Nicole and Christmas Kinda of is just setting up the like I. Know we are. We always wait. We like until it gets to the big alliance. Then it's going to get fun because they're gonNA turn on each other. No, this is basically Nicole saying, Hey, you know she needs to go to needs to go. This is starting to establish A. Pecking Order and that is not fun. Cody said it in this this episode, like I one what he say I want Kevin to go than any the Danny and Christmas something like Christmas. Danny. So it's like this is this is setting up pecking order. This isn't a war that we've been waiting for it. It's a continued pecking order. I don't WanNa see that. Yeah, the war's going to kick off tomorrow marsh. You don't think you will. I don't know I think not a been warned. Liked Erin. Said this morning like now that they've kind of been warned what's been happening on the feeds it's been more entertaining than probably what we're going to get tomorrow. I'm excited to see a triple double double double triple A. Yeah. So so just for people who are not keeping up with the There there has been a warning give into the house guests of something along I. Think three steps ahead. So they can t has been teased to the house guests about what's to come on Thursday night. So we'll. We'll talk about that more in detail as as as we go along. So. Let's talk about something else that people may have already heard on the podcast. If you're listening to the SLOP A, we had a really fun edition of the slop this week with Chapelle and. Scott yeager talking about everything going on in the Big Brother House but it was two weeks ago with Mike Bloom. We talked about how cody? Including what does it mean when you are from a certain State New Jersey and I'm a floridian a floridian. Not. You made it up. Okay. Most zing by did tell cody had IQ. Of Ted and we talked about that that I think cody is a great player really good player at this game. But I also think that he is somebody who does not know facts. That I saw after we talked about this on the slop someone compared him to the Jon Hamm character from thirty rock. Actually. Believe that that's very accurate. He's very handsome. He needs to know facts. He doesn't need to know any of that stuff really adds good to just live in his was it his. Handsome. Bubble or something on thirty Rod. Basically. No one will tell him that he's anything Pretty. Preview guys. Radio the feeds for the next few weeks I hope. This was coming weeks ago though to. Also. What animal was he thinking of them regards. I could explain is one. Yeah. So this is okay. Texan is an animal. Okay. So he's getting confused because the Houston Texans football team that they're. That, they're their mascot. is on the side of the helmet. Scott are you able to bring up a Houston Texans Helmich real quick. Rather be talking about football. Yeah. I'm pretty sure recognizable animal or is it like a picture go? Zine called the Houston Texans Bowl. And I it's kind of like a bowl that's a red white and blue. A Maybe cody has to Shawn Watson on his fantasy. Football team. But that's what he is thinking is an animal. But now we're we're not Texans were Americans. Cody's philosophy of all this was yeah that was great segment on the SLOP. I was surprised to see a whole two weeks later. Whenever again. Long. No it wasn't Longhorn is a here. Yeah. Houston Houston Texans see the logo. There is I would bet my life I, bet my life. That's what he's talking about. The Texan is an animal. He sees that a Texan is an animal. Okay. This whole time I was like, okay. He must be thinking like you know like Tasmanian Devil or something you know like something that sounds kind of like Texan. But Not really. But you see that image and it says Houston Texans, you're not going to be like Oh. That's Texan. Greg Cody. That's Things. It. WAS NOT. Bouncing up to a twenty or twenty two I don't think. So I'll now nothing's player. He just doesn't know facts. He's a good player I. Mean I've said all along that zing. Zing was great for him. To be called dumb or to be told that you're not strategizing or something like that. If if you are in fact strategizing not if you're actually not strategizing and if in fact you're dumb. But if they Ziemba calls you out for something like that something non-threatening I mean that's great for you in. Can Sakes Paris was told when they had they that competition where they had to like spray the drink on everyone stays vote for who they thought was. This accident whatever. They said, she was what? The the dominance whatever and and she was just like what? What? Room she was like, thank God they said that about. Not Mean. So that is what you want is you want everyone did not suspect you that you want them to think view as a threat you want them to think that you're dumb. So that way they don't see you coming The challenge every season like the show. The challenge has a trivia contest a competition. The main challenges that pretty much a staple of every season. I'm surprised that Big Brother hasn't done anything like that on consistent level because you get segments like this built into the competition like it's very basic trivia questions not not like very hard textbook questions but just. Generally possibly know and we'll get a lot of a lot of content that a cody but then again, maybe cody will end up on the challenge today. Compete in that. Anyway, but Dallas. Except when they ask somebody like what's the capital of South Dakota and the other person please spell chair on the challenge prayed. And sometimes happens, and then maybe cody will be able to spell chair C., H. I. R. AND We'll get a fund dr about it. Into like. Let's talk about our veto pick because we get to see who's GonNa play in a power of veto. CODY IS GONNA pick Nicole F I like that they have You know not redone the. She's still she's still the call Kevon picks tyler and David G Hicks and Joe to play, and that is going to set Christmas right off. Replacement Nam if not call me on Thursday. Not, GONNA call you. All right. I. Think we're good like she didn't have to do all that. Maybe, jewelry on Thursday. Available to come host today have to leave the game. Hardier. I guess if I if I had thoughts that I'm going to be put up on the block and then the one chance I have the possibly saved myself and not be back doored Breida's dressed like not given to me. I'm not presented with the opportunity even try not be I would be upset too but I mean the odds of actually going home this week we're like Berry Slim's A. Wants us to believe he would actually do something in this game I. Actually, I believe it when I see it. So I think you know the cuddle puddle that ensued right after that of of. Christmas we love you. It's okay that you're not playing for you to. Pick like. Really, really. This is what we're spending time on. She was really the Kombi, she thinks she was she would want to not in competition. So she doesn't occur profile and per target because people like she's winning. Again showing how upset you are to a house full of your whole entire alliance. Think Hey, does she not trust us or what's going on I like The word. Yes. Exactly and that's what she's going to play up. Just competitor I just WanNa be artist, but it's just no I don't think I didn't think that was necessary. G. Show I think she would play you know if it's kind of like the reverse Rachel Riley like she would play a season of big brother if she only had to play the competition's like if she. If she had to be that player who came in to sub for somebody like Rachel, she would play all the competitions and then she would go out and live in the neighbor's house for the entire week. She do it man do you think that Christmas has a future on the challenge? Why not? Because I won't let it happen. Like. I don't know. Enough about it but I, feel like that she is. A fierce competitor? Unknown crazy person she gets in huge fights with people challenge. Yeah. Can we like? I agree with you. But if we like put this energy out into the universe, they might hear you and and and try to make this happen. I see. age-limit limit like I think she's in her late thirties. Like. Like. Nationally, if we end up bringing. that. Back. For Women because. They don't seem to bring back a lot of older women, but they'll let Johnny Bananas. Come, back. Twenty. Million Times if he wants to so. Yeah yeah I I I don't think it's a zero percent chance, but I wanted to zero percent chance. So that's where my head's add Josh Carina. Could have done that this season but josh. Yeah Hey. The party. Okay. All right. Then we see Enzo one more time and Enzo is telling us about how he really wants this veto three play. Melissa. Enzo. Has told us so many times. He just he wants to make a big move. Yeah. Oh. Yeah I don't believe. That he knows we want to hear that he knows that the audience is like. Beds could just win this one You know it's not going to happen like I can almost guarantee that events like as much as he wants to say on the feeds or whatever on the in the diary room that he would actually make a move used the veto back door or someone else like I just don't believe it out all. Right let's wait and see but. Nothing from Enzo ends like me all through the lockdown when I'm telling my wife, all the things like Oh man I wish we could be out tonight. How great we got. We could be at the beach right now. I'd. Be Stuck away. Over. You'd be out there sending money hanging out of doing good stuff. Okay. They gave us a lot of Indo tonight. They gave a lot of Indo narrative. Somebody career summaries buying this narrative I guess I'm sure they wanted to create suspense about Christmas going to be back doored and almost wins it, and if he wins it saying he's in the back door someone and there's a discussion of Danny Wind Beer Chris Foul Oh my gosh. What's going to happen and Christmas being all upset and I room in Europe in the diary room. In her whole her whole die room session at the end where she's just like you know well, you know I'm still here I live to see another week or whatever. As if there was really a chance that she was going to be going home I mean yeah. People can talk people can say what they want, but I didn't see a scenario where Christmas leaving this week mean. The S to action. Acting in this show is just gone so bad and. It is it is really becoming a scripted show in those diary rooms. At this point, it's just not good and and Enzo. Indo has known correct me if I'm wrong. Has Known about the Committee for at least. Four weeks now right cody told him on. Tyler's H Tyler remember. Remember. The exact. But He has known. I'll. So I, am. I mean for him he's in a good spot so he doesn't really need to do anything at all. So that's why he can give lip service about how and pander to US fans and his play style is one that you can. You he gives you hope to everybody. So then when he says in the Diary Room Mate, it matches unlike you know Nicole kind of lip service. So but I mean, he's really taking a gamble coming down to him in the committee but. He seems to be maneuvering himself in a way that this is the right move for him. So I can't really fault him for that I. Think the. Strategy is also like gassing other people up to get them really pumped up on the idea of making a big move and. He doesn't have to be the one to make the big move. I mean we remember during his age Oh when there was talk about actually. Back during whoever you know and trying to make a big move and all that I believe was Danny on remember anymore but the point is is that he was basically saying like, yes, I'd love to make this move. Let's do it. But why don't we wait told someone else? And we can do it. Tonight. Next week. That's and that's the thing. Is He? Goes to each person and Kinda gets them riled up thinking like, yeah we should be making big moves. So that way he can be a part of that big move would not actually be the person to be making that big move and that's the problem is he doesn't have you know the like gumption or whatever to actually do something in the game he's just kind of all talk. And he also has a needed to win in some recent weeks and. I think a lot of people have been talking about does he need to tomorrow night? Will he win tomorrow night? You know there's not really any need. If he does I think I don't see him going after David. By any means I think he's going to go after you know a bigger name It's just you know again does he need to win as much better for his game if he doesn't probably. We'll get right back to talking about ot the psychedelic salamander here in just a moment. 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Let's get back to talking about. Big Brother. All right. Let's start to get into talking about Oh teve. The big. Competition from tonight because. This this freaked me out I. GOTTA BE. Honest. So. They walk into the backyard and Tyler is saying this is like my dream goal? This is my dream. Come True I. What is what is wrong with tyler? Forget what's wrong with Angela? was. With Tyler. To say is I'm just really glad there wasn't a big creature throwing up on everyone this. like at least we didn't have that. So let's all be thankful. That is just like a surfer dude salamander and instead of like just bodily. Functions going on. I have so many questions more more. What is this supposed to be? The PSYCHEDELIC Salamander. A good woodstock mind idol I don't know rob we going for here. It was weird and those the band names on the shirt I was so confused. Those be a parody of something. They were all very long call me a boomer Melissa because I don't even know what they're talking about. Honestly I think they were very proud of the names they come up with because they made it every single person say the name every time with every Shurmur and it's just like, okay, we get it just like say that they're all right or they're all wrong. We don't need to hear every single person say the name it's not like I just didn't feel the suspense without one. Okay. Well, let's go ahead and meet our host for out of. Are you guys? Are you guys rea-? Why Okay. Yes. Voice in the house right. Do they here like what you're not from the guy they hear from like the speakers. So play, it's just not coming directly from the things mouth but. They do here. Everything s to say, okay. Okay. Here he is. Let's meet them. -tations in hello fellow beings. My Name is oh. The PSYCHEDELIC Salamander. I think no matter how many times they change up or whatever I still picture tab as the big like. Legends of the Hidden Temple. What I still? Because I'm just like okay. I'm not seeing, I'm not remembering this Alabama or the. Next year I'll have forgotten all about this. So you know that's fine about Omega Yeah. I thought was interesting. Just looking at it when I saw it, I mean essentially, it was like nobody was able to go out to summers. Nobody had these beach parties pulled party. So they took all of those leftover you know the the inflatables and all those and they just into the backyard they took everybody's from L. A. from the local area put it all together. But then the the the competition like not having water run down, it was like the the. Slippery substance use that was a change up to the format which I'm sure we'll get you. Falls. Yeah. That was that was different but. I hated it. What did you think about the shirts also like being color coordinated? So like could you really just see? Could you see what somebody picked like? The Blue Tide I share and just look for another blue kite is I thought that was. Art That's what I was looking at the whole like Oh. If the first person to people up have the same color, just start looking for that color yeah yeah. Good thinking. Let's listen to the explanation of how this is GonNa work from our PSYCHEDELIC Salamander. Geishas Bud duct your. We'll let me crash here. It's awesome pad and I threw a most righteous party last night. Only, bummer is all my pitching tied. It's missing. What? That's how we're going to bring Dr will into it. The doctor will bought the house and then let the Salamander have a party. His what. I believe he said Bitching tie-dyed Jeez. Yeah What Vicky with closed captioning. It didn't say it skipped over the weird. They were just like that's it. That's it. Yeah. We're washing out on this. Matter is Kato Caitlyn. Anxious. Yeah he took over. The doctor will is GONNA be pissed. He doesn't WANNA. Salamander having. Taking LSD at his house. Has Been in worse company in Years. He's used to it is your. Home my God. Say I. Want One of those shirts. Carry. There's so many of them while one. They were today spoiler alert for the feeds they had them on all day today. Something Fun to watch. Genetic Bailey won. So. This would be the most popular merch that bb twenty to come up with just the shirts from this competition. Yes. Okay. We're. Big Brother over the top competition that like the best they ever did revolved around a shirt. When they had pretty much like the sequester safety changes, hand off a shirt and. The amazing things you can do with a low budget items. Okay. So there was one contestant that was not going for a low budget item. We heard about this all week long that there was ten thousand dollars up for grabs if somebody got one of the shirts and it looked as though a lot of people had the answers David. The ten K. shirt and basically said F. it. Got Taken the ten K. Yes Does and I'm so happy for him. I'm so happy for May. He made everyone mad. But what was interesting about this? Though was that we knew the eventual winner was cody interesting cody would have been knocked out here. Yeah. David ended up finding the shirt, but we don't own early if you would've found the shirt ahead of David. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Look I'm very happy that David has ten thousand dollars but I will say that it is it would be hypocritical of me to say like mom. So Glad, David went for the money like because you know I do think that if you're on the block like. You should be going for the veto you should be wanting to stay. You should care enough guy you know. Good. Cody told him. He Save Young Cody says a lot of things. I just like I. Just feel like I don't love that he went for the money instead of trying for the beach. Oh I. Happy that he on the money and not everyone was upset about it but like. I'm not over all condoning the fact that he just said, F. it I'm not gonNA. Go for the veto at all like who cares maybe I'll leave maybe willie but. I just feel like you should have gone for the Beach Oh he's on the block he's in danger like I don't know I think these thing is just the disparity of time luggage is like if it had been cody were like neck and neck, then it would be like, okay, it's fine. But the fact that he would like up there and coach. Taking. His time it just made it look a little bit worse. It's different in a competition like when they when they do the the slip inside competent like you can fill up the competition to get the power or you can fill it up to get the money. This is like the it seemed like there was one shirt that had the ten thousand dollars like if you find the golden ticket, you win ten thousand dollars. Yeah. I totally get into stakes come along with it. But when you pick it up and you find that shirt and you know that by taking this money, you have ten thousand dollars and all of these other five people will not get it. That is a tough temptation to turn your nose especially when he was slightly feeling safe so. I I think also like I do think there is a difference between like. Someone, as someone who's not on the block and not endanger going for it, totally get that or v going for it instead of going for age like I just feeling when you're on the block and you are like a target possibly like maybe they're saying you're not a target but you're always Japaridze I do think that's a different scenario than like you know the slip inside or whatever where it's for eight age and. You might not get the power, but you also have chance for Vito. You might not go home who knows who's going to win. Then I say like go for the money but I think that in this instance like I do think I mean look this I just feel like I can't sit there and say like, yeah, I'm body to the money since like every time before this I've said like, Hey, if you're endangering to go or and you need to show that you want to be there but there is kind of a different scenario here just because like I mean. David and Kevin, are they gonNA win this I? Feel like they just don't have a shot at this. Rest move the. Replay any. Means to take. This, you get ten thousand could. Take the ten K. shirt and like hide it somewhere. I don't know how many countries shirts are yeah and then sort of like okay it's me and Kevin at the or I'll take ten. Might be worse for his game. It's probably fine the way it played out though yeah. I don't know maybe a better spot and but he does it either committing to taking the money or not committing to taking the money. For ME IN GENERAL WITH OT I've. I would love to play that I always thought like I would you saw at the beginning they were unfurling the shirt. I I would always think like I would. Shirt if not, the show I'm looking for I would put it into a pile. I think somebody did that in one of the season's. Early yeah that's what I would do. I would try and put the stuff. I remember host somewhere that I know in my own little personal stash and that's where I would put Noshir but then they kept dumping the beach falls down. So your stack would have been covered up you would have to go dig into find it, which is good because hopefully it. Vary. So there was one person that was real hot about David taken the ten K I'm just. said. Christmas was so mad. Can you imagine heads Christmas who's angry about something new. And now, the irony here is that you know had David potentially won the veto she back doored. Not as I gave her credit before for being at least having a little bit of perspective but not here. Right Oh man is mad at him for possibly keeping her black she's. Aren't. Game when the veto you need to win it. If that was me, I would be going for the veto. You had a chance to play in this competition David and you let yourself be the first one out how dare you right Oh my. Realize how serious wants the PSYCHEDELIC Salamander gives you the James you go. Find a tie dye t shirt and you climb up the Greasy Hill. Small, competition. Christmas she's mad. Okay so Kevin gets ten K he's. Out. The shirt says ladies. And Gentlemen Ian. Okay. Way Alike I mean is that a ban? To chat to tell looking at track to give me the names as being like possible band names i. Shot he probably knows. Zing. I. Dunno I what any this is. Me Neither then. The second one was Qaysar Shit banned in. Bay. belied a slightest. Yeah. Yeah. Like every reading it out the exact way that it spelled, which is exactly what I, do just like Bailey dough scope. Hell. Yeah Bill I to sculpt. Okay In like a day or two okay. Got None of these references if there I got. I know a lot of bands from the sixties and seventies and like I don't recognize. Down So. Bring it into my screen. Yeah. So the really competition was so long like I was really ten minutes into it and I was like, Oh, boy I like Kevin so there, I guess he got one pretty far. Now there's still like five people in the competition, but they really tried to play up the rivalry between Kevin and cody and then ultimately. That it's between the two of them, and then it's Kevin who gets eliminated I. The salamander I thought was very rude to Kevin. Vows most heinous get off my. Truck. Stuff. Out of here. All right. Then, we got down to. Only. One other thing Kevin talking about. Can't. Stand cody. Bird can't stand that food. Cody. He's put him up twice right. Along, with real people so All right. We come down to. There's Enzo there's cody and there's Nicole F-. Enzo is up there and cody who wins the competition really was struggling with this Matt. Let me ask you. Tie Aluminum Foil Hat and ask you. A throw from Nicole Franceville. Yeah. Why did Nicole need to win this veto? We have UH. Cody Alliance. I don't know. It's it's tough because like she wanted. She hasn't really wanting to win She's been looking for one but then again once she got to this competition and she face planted on the wall, four times probably realized is not happening for totally policy. Then got pulled up at the same rounder, it was all. She didn't want this. No. Not at all. She's like she she would know backers point like what is happening around. which is crazy because Danny has been saying to her that new school bb they respect competitions it's not like us old scholars, they respect competition wins we need to get some competition windsor under our belt. Sadly, that is true with modern big. There's people do value. The jury is competition Williams a lot more now than they used to. So I mean, this was a veto that she could've one could have gotten it under her belt in did nothing with you like it would've costed her nothing to keep toes those noms the same I don't think Kevin or David were expecting her to change it. I. It would have been a good thing. To put on her resume it would have shut the boys up for San. She hasn't won anything. So I don't know why she I really feel like she threw this and I don't know why I think that if she won the veto, there would have been a lot of pressure from Danny to be like Oh good now you have veto now we could back to Christmas, and then she has to not use the veto and Danny's like, Cohn, why wouldn't you use veto? We had a why won't you do that like and so it would create a whole big problem for her with Danny and cody didn't want her to use the veto. Yeah. There's the there's of course, the curse which I believe she knew about. That possibility and also she's already sent out to people to the jury that she's probably very concerned about whether or not. She has their votes for her to lock in these nominations and have another person potentially be mad at her also could have been a reason not to win the Sun So. She was on the amazing race with Rupert. She knows about what happens when tie-dye guys go up and slide down the hill over and over again she knows that it's going to be good TV also. Camera time the of the whole thing. So funny I can't imagine. She thought about anything else in that competition besides burt. Right. That's right. Okay. All right and then Cody Verses Enzo who had nine votes all the sudden Enzo can't remember anything. Mari did hasn't throw this competition because he hasn't really WanNa make a big movie there. Is, a possibility because as far as I know in zone is pretty up to date on what's going on with the game. So him drawing a blank. Media Yeah this this could be seen as a throw his well, he happy and he had promised or he had said something to David or. Having one of them about changing David he told David he would change the Non David picked him of course. So yeah, I think he probably through it as well I don't. I don't know. I this. People be trying. I'm so upset right now all of a sudden I remember anything. Yeah everybody plays hard and they want to do well and. Reactions when both Nicole and Enzo ended up not winning where was her? that. When you call making Greece, angels like nobody. Show. Okay. All right So that gets it a really close to the end of the episode. People are real mad still though about David about how he has. No respect for this game and Enzo didn't like it either I. Think it's a big piece of Doodoo pies that he did that. Big She said. Why didn't you say also the other night that? There's something else about Doodoo that. He thought that Memphis and Christmas were also full of Doodoo it who heads or something yeah. That's why all the sudden is. Everything do. As. He has small children. He has two younger. Yeah. Talk. So he's not cursing yeah. Yeah. Came from all of the sudden for friends. Oh. Anyway so We're GONNA get to cody cody he's going to tell. David Melissa. Why did you see why? Or why? Oh, I told you look like you were safe. Never tell people. Yeah I. Mean it does it does make it look like David has come to some sort of agreement with cody that you know he doesn't need to use the veto or even get veto at all like it just makes David too comfortable in fact. I for the money and they're all just so annoyed because he's not the one that's going or. Wasn't the one scheduled to be going. Into we can. Maybe he is. Maybe he's not right now but it's like we get it but they're extra annoyed that now he has ten thousand dollars in his pocket and also you know. do they actually want to switch on what they were thinking of the original plans who knows? I was thinking like you know, okay. This guy's not going home with this is the target and then the guy who's not going home decides I. I'm just going to go for the money. I'm fine like I'd be kind of like. Well, maybe we should send you hall. Mike. Comfortable clearly maybe I mean David shouldn't feel that comfortable but the thought behind it would be like okay. Well, maybe he has signed deals with people that I don't know about like if he's feeling that safe on a week that he could go home like something's not adding up here. So I just didn't like that Christmas was the one kind of leading the charge and she sitting there were five thousand dollars in her pocket from the first week like. What. What is happening? Yeah she just got it for nothing right? She's Philo. Yeah. So. Power veto meeting. It's not going to get used. Did we even see the speeches is optional now. Yada Yada, has the power been used exactly once this season when Dave on was on the Glock. Kevin did take himself down one. Yeah. Okay so it's been a very boring season for the power. To many people flaming power veto. This is one of my favorite ideas from this week of give them the. Power veto they're stealing triple evictions from. Candidate should also steal the idea where the H. doesn't play in the veto I've been an advocate for this sense Bieb can introduced it and especially like just as time goes on and we still haven't seen that change on the US like you already gave this person the power for the week you know they have the power to do. The moves that they want to do by taking them out of the veto competition I really feel like that's something they'd be began got right and granted. We haven't seen it enough to fully. Come down either way on that. But I feel like we're heading in the right direction and then we wouldn't end up with the cody back to back wins at the Memphis back to back wins. It's a lot more open. It does seem like a lot of the time like even the majority of the time maybe it seems like the age wins both I just feel like it's constantly we're always seeing the. Like make the non then have absolutely no drama 'cause they keep the knobs the same and it's just like you know. What he's not there in this combat until wins the veto and maybe he use it like maybe he actually uses it I don't know how. Option would be there. Cody is not playing sure originally when they introduced that on the can I like that. Especially, with a mechanism that is being used that season where it's like oh the first season repeating can't seven like oh the H. wages in the veto. So they're not winning as much. That's not putting target on their back and letting it was letting big PAPI threat people lie because people were registering that they're come fishing because they weren't doing double win. But now that the US has moved towards the whole big group. Group where everybody wins the competition. Then we can you know steam row from there. This would be like you said, this would be the perfect time to introduce not having the H. play veto because then there is a bigger chance at the minority, the minority houseguests might be able to. Like people in the minority not just. Difference, Yeah. They'll get a chance at the veto. So I I didn't think about that until you brought that up and I think that's a great would be like a really good To me for us. Especially because it doesn't seem like US players care anymore about big competition threats there like. Clean. Let's keep them in. 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Album which t shirt that was an example that was key. Kisha and. Kisha non. Sorry it was so sergeant key Shas, lonely Ian, Harte. Band. which is is terrible. Terrible taste just up lamenting. wordplay. Garbage. Crew working from home. A little bit of great seer. Slow. I don't even think you need to know you know. Just need to understand that these references because like I knew the Beatles Sergeant Pepper's on the. Speaking of terrible word play but I, did save my new friend move. Lawn. Moulana Long. Cal. Come on. Hello Pablo number three. Problems three this point. A okay. All right. Let's see from Socialists Revolution has been following the podcast. No one has mentioned going after David after this. Could David make it pass the triple of action and up coasting to the final two. Boy. Eight love to see it again to see. Yeah, it's a big advocate. Because I think tyler wants to keep David in there as long as possible. Tyler wants to keep a Christmas and David in there as long as possible. Final Four, the final three anything can happen I mean he would need to win of course, but I mean it's any given Sunday after that. Hear me out though. The best part of David getting to the final two bidders jury in winning will be when Melissa has to apologize to David for her infamous letter where she apologized to everybody saying that David was good player and he. When? I adding moves to apologize again. Play. My Correct Melissa that if David's the next one out after Kevin, don't get one hundred dollars coming your way idea can you explain that? So what was it you? Know Yeah that's another thing too far to the season is Taryn paying me. So what we're just what was the? Well I just said here is the order. Of. The people are GonNa go out and you can see it on my twitter. I re tweeted a video of it, but basically I will tear and I said look or amber I said. What's to stop this from happening? That the order of people leaving is going to be and I just listed out with. Everyone loves did you have a BOOT list for the season? You had spoilers? Apparently I did. Almost, spot on. There were few like. Miss like misplaced. All left the last year remaining to be ask Kevin, and David. And I know I've got the music. Ability So yeah, I predicted it and Taryn was like that's not happening. He's. Money that dot is not going to happen I was like why? And one of vixen away from that coming. True. Fiction away and the one thing that might throw a wrench in the plan really is that it's a triple eviction so it could really so if David goes out at the second or the last part of the triple a fiction you don't get money. I. Guess. It depends if it's big brother Canada style where they go out there. and. I would still got it I. Say what Julie says, the other person's name I. Oh that's the tough one. Out of the House. David. David I been David to go out this. Tomorrow. On Line here. Confirm it's going to be like a double double instead of a regular bb can't. Confirm somewhere. I didn't see any confirmed like confirmation but its. Final question, what would you do? He somehow finds a way to give you one hundred dollars from his Stock Watch Bank and put it into your wallet, and that's what he was talking about the whole time. That is semantics and I mean. I will. Play the tape. We talked about stop watch. She's like he clarifies this real money. A. DISCLAIMER for Stock Sean Little says Nicole definitely through that right and just continuing to lie in the Diary Room I. Think this was the definite throw from Nicole. Yeah it just looks so bad like like grab said she is literally at the top. and. She rolling around laughing. So I duNno mooning. Guy. I think it was the throw, right? And we've seen that Nicole has lied to us in the diary multiple times this season so. Just lying guy. Koby Valentine says, how long has Nicole struggling to get up the ramp while cody was searching just as long as. Needed for cody to find the right T. Right. She's able to able to finally every other round. She was able to get up every other around the cabinets in there. No problem getting up there. But then when cody would have been eliminated from veto like I can't do it anymore back. Paul Right wants to say tomorrow we'll be down the six twenty seven to go. Normally this happens with twenty days left. So battle BAC or no seems to they want to load up the jury to bring one back in otherwise doesn't make a Cova D- sense have so many cops tomorrow. So let's just talk this through one more time. Is it possible that we're doing triple of action, but we'll bring somebody back. I don't see it right. Then you'd have to do it. I guess the latest would be next to Thursday that they would have to have this battle back competition. I think you know the covert concern would be traveling these people in and out from like a place where they were contained. I mean they might be going to Jerry House where they are as well but still. They're being exposed to people I think just with the details of it all it doesn't make sense for them to do that. In. Sorry. Sorry. I just had a question. Do they show the goodbye messages when there's about Obama for the jury? Now I'm doubting everything. We have to go back to in Scotty Got Knox got. Twenty. Bill the last time that was. but yeah, three people are going out tomorrow I guess we'll see you alternately if they do anything, they can also the other opportunities they could do some sort of like a reset we. Allah like they'd love to copy things from Big Brother Sixteen they could. Do a week where nobody goes home for some? Allergy versus David on the block decide they want to send tyler home for once and for all. Production. You will not leave this house under. No Way. No I just WANNA go. Question. Noah. Tyler got the play in the veto and Voice Oh. Teve. With the hills competition let me say. was. This was tyler hosting the veto. Fella worth being my name is Bob. PSYCHEDELIC Salamanders speaking of Psychedelic I thought that I had taken acid watching this episode when they those wacky transitions in between. That was. Weird. Knows old like like. Like laughing or whatever Austin powers. Under. The dance. Breaks in between. This freaking out. They'RE GONNA to get to cast pictures for the season took pictures if screen shot them in the in the inner tubes and whatnot. This is from Tara. The Great Tara Rene is Christmas getting a good at it. I was said that we didn't get to see more more angry Christmas. You you're shot I'm just flabbergasted. It's Christmas. Mark. And enough my is I'm sorry. Spoiler I don't like Christmas. Tell for this. August I don't think she's getting good at I. Think She's just getting at it where they're trying to make something happened. So, they're trying to show some sort of friction. So that's all I see I don't see any good in it, but that could just be me I will say that I. Did I did think that I think it was last episode was pretty good for her where it was like it seemed like she was the one person like figuring things out and really like just like whatever reason being able to tell like exactly the pieces on the game board or whatever Probably just like editing that way but it did make her seem like, okay. Christmas has got this figured out like she's going to do something about this and now this week it's like, Oh wow, she's figured out they want back door her like she's figuring out how to get around it and she's saving herself or whatever, and I think that I think it does give her a good like strategic at it. I do think they're. Letting her. Become like angry, Christmas or whatever, and kind of showing that side of her. But I also think they are giving her a good at it in terms of. The strategy and know intelligence or whatever. So we have to look to Zing by to figure out what what is production trying to do with Christmas and if you go back to the Zing Zang, it was like what's restrained Christmas in the holiday season one is cold. Annoying and stressful, and the other is the holiday season. So I do think that they are not giving her a good at if. Ultimately Wade out because I, think they are trying to go for like Kinda hot head that's going to go off at any moment. Yeah, and I mean as far as it goes with like figuring out the game board like what is there to figure out your your your in the game board your with all of the main alliance. Right what else there is to figure out Okay This is from. Have will we see? Dr Will during the triple a fiction hashtag where's will then? So Melissa that? From. This clue that they got at least there's going to be one more doctor will video that gets played, right? Yeah. Yeah. I mean I do think that there will be the video giving them a clue maybe there'll only a video of him. Saying. I warned you guys or whatever right before the triple eviction, but you know nothing nothing substantial at this point unfortunately. Nine of was hoping for I was hoping that it might have been a situation where. I knew that the first segment was pre taped the obviously but I was kinda hoping that maybe if they were going to really play it off like Oh this is the neighbor's house. They can have will far enough away from the house guest, but still like be able to talk to them during like. Either hosting a competition or whatever. Yell over the wall. Eventually. You know, and so I kinda was hoping that he'd be able to give them like a piece of his or maybe a piece of the audiences minded origin Kinda like say something because he has a lot to say over twitter instagram and all that. So it would have been nice to kind of see that and it doesn't really seem like we're GONNA get it. See them at the zoom. Roundtable seem RAV. Able. This was so stupid. The way that they handled all this with Dr Welby because they tease. Hey. We've got a big surprise coming. But they didn't say who it was. So. People probably were like, okay well, whatever and then you had. Dr. Will. But they didn't promote that doctor will. So they didn't really maximize that they had him that they could have just told the audience on on Thursday night tune in to see Dr will will oh my God. Yeah everybody go like when you when we're done here, call a casual that you know find out if they even remember that there was a big brother legend in the house this week. If, they can get the name bonus points if they can describe anything that happened with this person even more bonus points but I, I feel like it's unlikely that that's going to leave any lasting impressions. I think we'll be lucky if we remember next season, the doctor will was a part of this season in any way other than his usual spot there at the end. Okay. And Stop watching so. They WanNa your watch so they can watch me on this podcast. So no could wages listen to the podcast. That's what I said Yeah. That's how little they. Let you from Patricia please explain why? is except for Tyler one Nicole. Stay is because they think they can beat her since she is one before. Because she gives in to every plan that they have every time that they want to do something in the you know it's another one of Nicole's people are her friends and they're like okay I don't think that's a good idea. That's not what I want but okay. So, Yeah Okay This Mike Edwards does the chip really have to still say Nicole F. Yeah. The look they're not gonNA make more. That's no. You're not doing another one now. I don't think. So okay. Let's see. We got here's bill and Ted temp was throwing out terms like bogus and most righteous during the veto are the be producers big fans of bill and Ted. Had did come back this season. Bill Billy Ted are the journal Qaysar of. Cinema. Layoff and we don't. We don't get any more cross promotions on big brother like we used to go back and watch the old seasons and see it all the old movies they watch. Larry's is he's bad movies. Sarah's up to find nice things to say about it. I love the. Doomsday. Commercials. So. Should we talked about spoilers? Is there are there spoilers talk about? Should Maury? I wanted to ask those. Right. Thirteen. Spoilers. Let's show. So tomorrow night. Don't forget to our big brother tomorrow night. At a special time, we will be live at ten fifteen pm eastern time to talk about two hours. Triple eviction live we gotta Jam packed panel will break it all down right after the episode I predict will be the biggest live audience. We've ever had for an episode podcast. Tomorrow, night live ten, fifteen pm eastern time. But until then let's talk about our spoilers. The office. Of Civil Defense has issued the following message. This is spoiler. Spoiler. And you're. All right. So funny that everyone is convinced that that spoiler voices me. Literally nothing like me. Listen to it again let's see. Buildings ULITSA let's listen to it pretty. Here Melissa. The Office of Civil Defense has issued the following message. This is spoiler warning. wikileaks. Spoiler. and. Action should be taken. I could hear it but. That's botic. That's all. Taryn either. That's Song Predates Melissa being on a podcast? I remember yeah, I remember when I first started I was so excited. Spoiler, dance. Okay we're. Dancing. And could have been re recorded once she. She joined the but Kudos to. Ryan elder, who is the composer of the spoiler something? Yes. Still Works. Okay. All right. So What's the latest Kevin still going home I'm GonNa. Lose my first draft pick from the draft took Kevin Number number three overall. He's lasted a while what's going on it? Yeah. Kevin's going home. Not much has changed on that front since I guess the last episode we've had this situation where all of the houseguests are aware that there's something funky going on this week that multiple houseguests might be exiting at one point or another. They don't know the exact details of it. They thought there was going to be an addiction last night. Of course, there wasn't might still think there's going to be one tonight there like terrified. Julie's going to pop on the screen at any moment but. Not The case. It's a tomorrow. They're going to have a couple of extra people go but they're not going to be too surprised about it. Yeah doctor will. Said Oh, we to get a few you out of here. Everybody got scared. So they're now planning ahead and from what terrence this morning it looks like tyler may be in a little bit of trouble. What I understand go on. How Well it looks like Enzo. So cody cody was talking to Endel and they are talking about the double and and maybe whatever they think after that and they were essentially there were initially thinking about maybe. having the other side target. MEMPHIS. But when both to ms, this was like he really wants to get out David and Danny Been, they said Oh well, maybe we should not let them targeted Memphis maybe we should. Point them towards Tyler and even though was talking about how he was okay with Taylor going. Yesterday yeah yesterday. So Tearing EMAG. You're talking about morning that it seemed like tyler might be a little bit of hot water so far and he doesn't know it. Oh my God hates us. Danny as well. Right. Melissa Deni might know that she's in hot water. Danny is definitely water I mean honestly if I have to predict right now who I think goes home in the triple I would say I I mean we know Kevin's going or at least I mean that. Poor warn. Yummy. And then I think Danny goes and I, think. I, kind of feel like I could see Christmas going just but I think I think we have to go with Tehran's. SPREADSHEET THINGS IN MY MIND I. AM. Not. Quite at that level where I'm like okay this person wins age wage than these. Block conscious. Like okay. Who is like more likely to go home than other people and you can listen to the Elsie Round Table for the soul the full breakdown. All breakdown of percentages in every. Hear some predictions. Well, let's see. To two names. I think first name second name. Danny for sure. Yeah. I WANNA say Chris but I can absolutely see. Christmas. Winning a veto or winning something. Maybe Tyler. This hard. I think anyone right away I mean I could also see David going just like it's an easy thing to do. I, don't know any Memphis. Thinking I'm sure it is. But there are people that have had his name around you know floating around Enzo he might have come around a little bit Enzo on his first plan of. MEMPHIS gone but tyler, we know in. MEMPHIS. Have never been best friends. They had issue with Tyler winning veto emphasis week Tyler we back was talking about how Memphis his favorite person in the game Nicole talked about dino taking end Memphis how Danny might not be against it so I don't know I don't know that it's a you know at the top of the list of guarantees but I'm GONNA put. that. Energy out there Memphis. Going going home. Yeah I think I agree with Melissa Definitely Danny but I think I think it will be David as well. Because I think what might happen is they may aim for tyler but I mean what does that four competitions if we think it's going to be the whole Kevin Goes Hoa veto one person goes in an HR wage veto one person goes best four competitions that tyler has like not winning. Seems like that doesn't I don't think that's GonNa Happen. So I think they might even if they swing at Tyler I think they might miss. So I think David my ended up going as like like we said an option I think it'll be the any big move for this for like a double though think Danny's the big move in and it's like if they if they triple now then they'll be like, okay well, David so. Per wrinkle on it, I'll say David Danny and Danny ends up maybe winning the veto in the first part get a little intrigue of can survive the night after she ends up on the block she realizes what's up but maybe Can't get lucky in the second vote. So maybe a worth David Goes I in the triple of action. To two hours trying to get out Danny that'll be the storyline of the night. Okay. and. And then it'll be over. Then we'll see we'll go onto something else then after that like. Mar You said there was something else that you wanted to potentially to talk about earlier in the show Kevin. Costner question. This is. From Abbey? With Kevin. Casey Kevin carried the blanket out with him. and. Will he try to get them to use the blanket as his face mask? This Kevin have a will be. Around the Pinkett His life and people like to talk about is blanket alive. Chilly Nair that'll probably Be snuggled up in his blanket Noah cannot be used as a mask. The mask has still got to go on and. I don't think Julie's going to take a blanket instead, but I'm sure he'll gifted in the box that gets sent back to his house in a couple months. I mean spoilers there's no spoilers. They have really done. Yeah. I mean minus finding out that there might be multiple people going and the little scramble Fez. I think they were saying like how? Danny went up to David in like Danny. Went up to date and I was like, Oh, I'm sorry I had to put you on the block or whatever like you know we're cool now in Davis Gas. Sure her. Awkward Conversation with Tyler like Daddy's just scrambling right now and it's just it's just really sad to look at and is not going very well but she does know at least she does feel that she is going a little bit she. She does well, not going she feels the pressure she feels like nobody's talking her she's realizing that like That, maybe she had voted out all the wrong people. So she is trying to do something but what she's trying to do is kind of just awkward yeah now. I know it's been talked about a lot more worked up last night about the. Production ruin this that the triple eviction but I don't know how they're gonNA necessarily structure this to our episode but it is very possible that we end up getting a you know. Twenty minutes or so of the houseguests reacting to this triple addiction news and that we end up getting like a, you know a bunch of story segments that happened before as opposed to like where there are things happen, and then we'd. Miss all of it. May Be part of the episode tomorrow night. I was worked up about it at the opening of the round table but I do feel like terron made some good points about and kind of talk me off the ledge on that one just because like I was really upset because I was thinking. I love. I love the seeing the reaction on the night and having people you know make moves that maybe they wouldn't have made otherwise because now all of a sudden it's triple eviction. They didn't think about this but Jaren did make a good point that you know. US He always does doesn't it's sickening. By like it's like what was the last time you saw someone actually make a shocking move that they didn't already think in their head on one of these nights and and. Even. So if they have made a shocking move, when was that shocking news good you know what I mean like he's never more likely to use. It didn't take the safe route if they don't have time to plan so I, do think that like with them kind of planning it out maybe we have the option deceasing more exciting than if like all of a sudden, it's sprung on them and they're like I. Guess David. So. I'm okay about it I obviously do think that like in terms of television drama they I mean for production stake, they probably shouldn't have told them. So could get the shocked faces and get the reactions they're looking for but you know whatever we've we have some amazing actors on this cast and they're going to do a great job of faking the. Spine or anything else heading into the triple eviction. Right I'm just excited to see it I am. Ready when they announced. The South normally when I go into a double eviction. Or even a triple in big brother Canada I'm always like so nervous because I'm like there are certain people that I don't want to go there certain outcomes. I don't WanNa see in this situation like. Me Okay matter yeah like selling. Excited, to see some selling crazy about this. What's the worst case scenario tomorrow night none there's none I really don't have a worse case scenario I just feel like anyone could go and I'm fine with it and That's great. So I, feel I feel much better going into this triple eviction. There's no nerves. There's no. Worry like I just feel like I'm just going in there and it's like You know. Worst case scenario would be person wins Hoa Than Wins Veto and everything stays the same and then that person goes home then person wins agent apprehend wants veto should. Actually. You know what I do have a worse case scenario. worst-case scenario is if it's a triple like the way big brother candidate does. I didn't Gowdy case scenario. I really hope that you a double then a double instead of the triple, like if other candidate because that is. The Segment. And Finding out, you're going to have Jessica normal episode in at the end small technical reason. This away ally may be the way that we wanted to be not the BB Conway they do have two chairs. It's not one of those couches that the nominee said on I. Don't know where the third nominee would sit if they had to have three nominees sitting there together and unless they're going to insert a chair in the middle of the day. Maybe. It has to be the to. I heard you ask what's the best case scenario what I what what do you think that I? I know that the tarrant said that it's almost mathematically impossible for cody to go out. Right well I mean, that'd be the most shocking thing to me. The most shocking thing to me would be watching cody walk out the. The best case scenario for me personally would be Christmas in Memphis. would. That? Change. Dynamics in the house of Christmas and Memphis or would it just be then? would. Would Tyler Enzo in cody. Be. Sort of like the and Christmas be then the dominant force now or then cody in Christmas aren't really on the same page. Cody and Nicole in. Danny 'CAUSE IF IF MEMPHIS is say another Christmas memphis is gone. Yeah. Yeah. So if Kevin Christmas in Memphis gone then we have cody Indo tyler being Nicole. Danny. Now, that could get really interested. I. Think that if I think that have cody and Memphis leave, I do think that that kind of opens up. Game. Board. A little bit. I'll May. But because I do feel like you cody cody got his connections. But if you take him out of that than those connections, like who do they go to same advocates like Memphis has connection But if you take Memphis word is where do they go to? It would be the most interesting thing to happen to have both those two guys go. For Memphis if David Wins. H David Nicole. Potentially Danny maybe Danny does want Christmas out but like Memphis. Christmas. would be like the ideal nominations to ensure that Christmas try goes and then tyler. Maybe a slim possibility that Memphis ends up on the block I mean he is going for Danny also unlikely but I still you know I'm not counting it out completely. The to me. It's those four names that we talked about at the beginning of this podcast get one of those out and I think the game opens up a little bit. But until one of those four guys are out I, feel like we're kind of stuck in the same loop they're all just clinging so tight to each other and they won't go. On Thursday. I do have one more question. Just what competitions think. We'll see we we normally always get like a clown shoe moment. It will be hard in terms of like the coverted situation of will. Definitely questions will be will be. and. Will we see certainly like the backyard partitioned where we have like we have like maybe like one sort of theme in the backyard and then like one area for one comp without question area and then another thing that was already setup. I can't remember the exact competition that this was four. It was in celebrity big brother the second one with low low and and Taymor all them. I feel like there was a competition set that they used it twice in the same night. I don't remember the details of what it was for, but they used it and then they used it again, you know what it was. It was the fact that they had. They throw in like a safety thing like you could win safety for the round and then Taymor one that and then we still had another competition. They used the same boots I feel like we're going to get something like that. It's just used the same setup and just do something different in in the same spot. NAPPING. Look them hanging there hanging onto the Oscar. One and they also. Early in the game that was really early. Yeah I mean an opening night we had the table. N. B. Little running thing all in the same backyard spot so. Yeah I mean. Atta guess. Let's talk about what's coming up. 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Now other people It may not be following this very closely, but we have a big election coming up. It's coming up in a little over one month. RABAT'S PODCAST strongly considers all Americans who are of age to vote and participate in our democracy to find out more about getting registered to vote start thinking about people. It's November. Third it's right around the corner on over to vote Dot Gov? Most I know this weekend you're going to be on a panel that's. Mario Youtube correct, right. Yeah, what are you to up to? Yeah, we're GONNA be discussing. Women and reality TV and what the deal is with that. Also, we're going to have a texting party and everyone's mood join in to encourage people to vote. And just kind of get the word out there on that and so it should be really good. There's going to be a great panel. and. We're just to talk about everything should be kind of casual and people can ask questions or bring him points that they're interested in regards to like what it's like to be a woman on reality TV or you know that sort of thing Yup, it is. We were really lucky supermajority reached out to us to participate in this panel. So can't wait to talk. Reality TV talk women in reality TV with all of the fans everybody who signs up and then can't wait to get out the vote with everybody with the text banking session because I definitely wanted to do something to get out the vote for this election and so when they approached me, I was like Oh perfect. I can do that I think about and talk. Here interested. Just we've all tweeted out the links can check out our twitter. You to go and register, or they can send you the information and the Zoom Lincoln stuff. and. So I still need to do that but. Already tweet mind tonight. Well. That out I'm also Saturday. This. Yeah Eastern so Eastern. Two PM. Whatever this? Time but they also believe, I'm going to be. Watching the episode tomorrow night live with Alex Kidwell. So that should be fun. Should be good time. I've not ever like live streamed while watching. So it should. Marry, INCAS, you'll get to see how I literally just stand trump. Competition from the. Computer. To do but I like if I'm stressed out I get up and I pay Mike, okay. Okay. Okay. So it could be good. Could also be really bad. So we shall this is going to have the squeaky toy. Yourself. All right. Mari where could keep up with everything you're up to Yup, you can find me on twitter at Mari talks too much. That's too like the number to. Be There won't be talking about big brother. What do you normally talk about wrestling raving? Yes. Wrestling the Ravens when they're not losing challenge. The challenge. Yes. I can't wait for the bachelor can't wait for amazing race. So like Oh, mass singer sometimes, but not too often I really don't watch the shows I just like to watch when they reveal the people. have no patients. But yeah, just all reality TV. Basically I love reality TV. Definitely. Vote stuff everything. That's vote voting with this November and all that. So just just a little bit. Where can you find all? At Mari talks too much at twitter to the number two. Okay. All Right Mari. To have you back of course, guy is that, what are you up to? What am I how do I follow all of the great things that are going on with Melissa? Watch glee everybody a Myers still doing our podcast, the choir room you want to check that out on all places you can find podcast. Used to be a fan of glee or if you want to rewatch on Netflix go ahead and we're having a fun time with with that, you know twenty twenty is not the the best year by any means but we've made it a good time with with all that. So there's a can't wait for tomorrow night I really really really really can't wait to see some of these people get out of the house. This season. So looking forward to that. Matt the gory on twitter I'll be tweeting my excitement tomorrow night. No matter what happens to be sure to follow Matt as well by the way triple exit interview coming up on. Four questions for each of the three people. Okay. So be on the lookout for that to drop. In your podcast feed on Friday. probably Friday afternoon. All right. Of course most Danny Melissa What else are you up to Melissa? I am almost finished editing the next drunk history the snowed. So it'd be good I just need to put the. Music in their the classic big brother to hours. We shall see it should be. Kind of funny probably more embarrassing than anything but you know it should be good. We'll. So we'll. We'll grow you spend one hundred dollars on. If you win the bank from Tarran, have you thought about that? More wind for drunk history. 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"Support for this podcast comes from Microsoft teams. Now, there are more ways to be a team with Microsoft teams bring everyone together in one space with a new virtual room collaborate live drawing sharing and building ideas with everyone on the same page and make sure more of your team has seen heard up to forty nine people on screen at once learn more about all the newest teams features at Microsoft Dot com slash teams. Good, morning welcome to our alive feet update for September eighteenth. Turn Armstrong and with me today. I'm doing well Taryn I remember it being facility is the first time we? We went on to out one of the longest ones ever done and ever since it's been getting cut and cut and cut and I think we're going to set a new record today that might just be me being optimistic but. We'll move on with. Yes. We have some some things to update you on, but it was not a hectic night although there was a bit of movement before the eviction that we need to talk about. But It should be it should be. Relatively lighter of the day we'll see we'll see where it goes I'm not gonNA fall into that Trap Yeah We're expectation station. Yeah. We're here to update you on everything that happened yesterday on the Big Brother twenty two live feeds. It was day forty four in the house. And Is Not quite as exciting as last season's Day forty four. But. But we did get some interesting stuff here before the eviction. So. The night before yesterday. Night before last. We saw that with Ian and Tyler on the block Ian. was trying to get together the votes to stay and he realized that he did not have them because the plan was to convince him that it was going to be unanimous against him. So that Nicole could not have to cast a sympathy vote, but he refused to let her do that. So. They went with the alternative plan, which was to make it a five to three split, and then have Nicole blame David for flipping so. He had talked to David David agreed to vote with them with him for him. And he approached Ian Approached Avon in the morning and said, hey, day. If you vote with me, we can force a tie. Are. You willing to do that and I said, what do you mean? Where's the fourth vote coming from and he said I've got David and she said I don't think you have David and he's a neuro swear to you. We shook I spoke to him last night we shook hands and I've got him and she was like I literally just talked to him and he gave me no indication that he was doing that in fact, he gave me the opposite indication. He's like well, I don't know why he would lie to me about this doesn't make any sense. Why would he do they just pissing off a juror? I'm pretty sure he's voting with me. If. I think I'm gonNA stay she goes. Okay. Well, I'm I'm GonNa go talk to him then because I don't believe this. and. She goes and checks with Kevin. She's like Telling Me David told him that he's in a vote with. What? Since when she's apparently since last night. It was like I. Don't believe that she's like me neither. And so I guess I'm going to go ask him. So she goes and grabs David. And She says David. Where are you doing with the vote and he's like? I. Don't know what, what are you GonNa do with the vote. Forty or In Days and David still comes through with the riddles and the auto auto know what would you like me to text? You just say Just say for your own benefit just say not even for our benefit for your game benefit just say what you? Why She's like, okay. In his telling me you're telling him you WANNA keep him. He's like. Yeah Yeah. Since you've been campaigning for Tyler all week. Like. Well I figured enforced forced it make any get some blood hands. Are. Are you sure are we can? We can do this but like We need to we need to be we need to do this. And we're just like keep it on the download though. Chill don't Don one. Okay she goes back to Kevin. She's like he's saying he's going to do it. Like Oh, man I dunno, she's like, yeah, he's been real sketchy. I'll I'm GONNA, go talk to him. I need to go. Go Talk to them I can't. So, Kevin goes and talks Joe. Same story you're going to do this for. You sure you can't back out on us because we're sticking our necks out here. No I'm not going to do that. For first time. Thank Blur. Okay Like. You gotta chill like nobody can find out. Yeah keep it only down. Okay. So Kevin goes to and he's like. I talked David and I think he's in but. I don't know I'm really sketched out Indians crying like Oh my God. This is GonNa Happen. He's a you can't cry don't cry because Dave is GonNa Freak out he's going to back out if you cry make it obvious and like Oh. Okay. But wait a minute wouldn't it be good if I'm crying because it seems like I'm going home. and. I I don't know I. Guess I don't think Dave is going to do it. You just need to like. We just need to make sure he doesn't back out of this. The more we land on neutral the less likely we are upset the album art that is David and his wild hardness and random decision making a at least to what they're seeing so. I could only imagine. Trying to have David as an ally both because you can't tell what he's saying and because you can't tell what he's going to do. So David and Kevin Saris Ivana Kevin go to. Nicole and Danny and they're like. Apparently Davidson. Apparently, this on we can do this. Did you really going to break the tie to evict the in? Tyler. Danny's like. Yeah. Let's do this. Let's make this happen and there of course lying. And Nicole is like, Oh, my God I'm so excited. But are you sure we can trust? and Avon's like I really don't. You can trust David but like we gotta try right like. He's saying he's end. Why would he lie right? And so. Nicole talks to in enes excited and she's like. In I wouldn't get your hopes up too high and he's like well, they're not too. I. Feel Like I've got at least a shot like twenty percent chance. And she's like I just don't trust David or Kevin. At all I just don't trust them I. Just I feel like we're getting played by we. Were going to try we're I'm excited. Call goes back to Danny I'm talking about late and calls like how do I act how do I? Do I don't know I'm bad at this. Act Sad right. And like Danny's like I say something during. Like maybe you should say when the votes are at like, Oh, I knew it. Calls like I. Don't know sometimes they say things but. I don't know like Danny at a bunch of really bad ideas. Yeah just a lot of Improv that was very clear. She's not possible. So. Glad that none of them. Generally. They're planning on on. Pretending that the like. If you are in the Nicole's position, you do not want to be the person that says, I. Knew It. You don't want to be the person that says I don't trust this. You want to be the naive idiot. Who fell for it? You want to be the person who like. We're GONNA do this. We've got this Oh my God I'm so excited and then when it doesn't happen. What. What. And then the other person Devan and Kevon, they need to be the ones to go to to Nicole and be like. Nicole, we told you David's not trustworthy need to convince Nicole that it's David not the other way around. But. They're indianised. You should go to Ian you should go to Kevin and Dave and be like, Oh, I, just really don't trust David I really think he's GonNa flip on us. It's like trying to trying to set it up but then but that's that's the stuff that will give you away. Yeah I. DO think that this entire thing was mishandled then you have also talked about how it's a little bit of own fault or or trey himself the way he has an forcing people to WanNa do this to try and cover it up but I do think that ultimately you know just faking shock is way better of move and Baking Eureka I knew it all along now it's all. Yeah. So. So. She also has to prepare what she's going to say well, voting, she doesn't want to look like a monster to the audience. So she's practicing a different versions of her vote out speech. Should probably should've practiced a little bit more and also should wait for feeds to go down. Yeah Yeah that would have helped a lot I I do think this was kind of the proof of something that I've been feeling for awhile which is. Nicole cares more about what the casuals. Of Her than she does of what us the feeds. The loyal fans quote unquote beal of because everything this all day is indicative of that not that other things haven't been, but and this all comes down to what her occupation. Now she is a social influence friend influence. And the more people if her thumbs up the more endorsement, she gets little the she no It's been a little rough as far as the inbox goes for the endorsements but she certainly GonNa. Put in an performance to try and keep as many as she can't. Yeah I mean look. I think she's she's given up on the feed feed people. Say Sports Safe to say. And and really I mean she lost them a long time ago anyway. So S He's. Like. Yeah. So That's what she's doing there. Tyler says the his part of the plan. He's GonNa pull David aside before the vote. Just to like speak to him privately briefly and make it seem like perhaps he's flipping David's vote. And just just just further make David seem a little sketchy. The backup plan is that if framing David does not work than Nicole is a colour, perhaps Danny will suggest that. Maybe, there was a power to like steal a vote. Maybe that's what happens. So backup plant. Just quick question vacation much. Would this not count under stop using production strategy? No Speculation. This is fair game if they used it. Yeah. Because because So lying lying. Like if you have a power. Like that has specific rules, you can't lie about the rules of your power because basically because production is backing up the statement that you have power. You can't then used that backup by production to say, these are the rules of my power that aren't actually the rules. But. But if you're if you try to claim that you have a power when you don't, that's fine. If you claim that a power was used, there wasn't that's also fine So. Like just random speculation about powers is. All right so So that is speaking of powers, Danny decides not to use her power this week, he does not want to use it. which did we finalized this was she should have just done it. There was no reason for not. Yeah I I mean just. Use The power I mean. Look. Danny was endangered. Will. In was is the key term here because we'll talk about what happens but like. If David Devan or Kevin Win H H. All three of them probably put Danny on the block. And in all three of those scenarios she. Goes, home, she doesn't win the beat up. Like the idea that she doesn't want to give herself a little bit of like an extra number to help win this wage against. David Kevin Dave von is. For no good reason. And I think that you know the. Argument of. Well, it's no casting a more of a threat level onto me. You've won one competition you want another you're on where there's re very clear nomination that your side wants, and there's two that you were willing to put up the last week as your primary that you can put back up again it's a bit of a win win situation for you and then the week after it's like you don't even need to worry about you because quite frankly I, think this power. Really extend, it's up to you want to use it on somebody else doesn't sound like what are you GonNa do now use it on the new Hoa tastefully. That's possible. Given the person that one that'd be results-oriented. Someone else had won the three that would have put her up one. She can't use it there either so would have been a complete I. Think this was an easy decision to make even the she was the winner but a sometimes things work out even when you don't mean. The thing is that. When. You have powers like you need to use them effectively. You know if. Tyler in. Rhode. Twenty thinking that saying I never needed to use my power was going to be likely this is cool argument. Then people were like, let's down. Stop saying. People don't care about you not using the power. In fact, I think. You know having having twists benefit you having any power in the game at all whether it's HVAC whatever. Not. Using that power. To do anything like having veto and not using it is still a move. You're still doing something sometimes. It depends on the circumstances like like Devan not using the last week would have felt like. Chicken out. Using the veto was like, Oh, she made a move. That's the kind of thing that juries remember and respect using our. In other circumstances, not using the veto is the move and in that respect as well. But with a power like this, like power like anything. You want to use it now she if she does make a deal with the new H. and get something out of it and then uses it that's still using your power. I think that's fine. But if she thinks that like she can have this power that would've would've allowed her to compete again in nature wage competition and. There are people that know about it and people will everybody in the jury will find out that she had the power she didn't use it on herself. I think that the perception of that is going to be a tweak. This week. She didn't use her power. She was afraid to compete again like issue was afraid that people would find out like this is this week use power in the game. Especially when you factor in the makeup of what your juries GonNa look like, and certainly this is the top jury that values when values using your advantages using your powers because that's how they see a game of beat. This isn't like survivor where I don't need to use the idle because I'm so well-situated controlling this side and I'm doing all these things that. Thing where everyone's a you know elimination this is something where. Wins will dictate who has power and who has control of the game, and if you have an alliance that's good. But also you look at the your any look at the makeup of the jury. These are a lot of people that do not. Think you're contributing all that much. You've had one win that you've given to your lions. And he's taken Ian. Yes. But also you have another chance to do the same thing and help the alliance more look at all these other guys that have one. Now I've given to the alliance to the point where cody sitting here like well, if this person kept me, say this person kept kept safe value them I, want them in the. I think there's a lot to be said about. Having a power and using it versus not using it especially, make your case at the end you're going to need as much as you have. Yeah, and I WANNA be clear like. Regardless of what the right move. Like technically is for you, it's about perception. That like maybe may let's pretend the Danny did not. You do not need to use this power she did not need to compete because she was not endanger. And not using it. Doesn't. Doesn't you know? Shake the apple cart or whatever. It doesn't it doesn't. Not, using it as slightly better move for her in the game because it doesn't it doesn't shake anything up at all It's still the perception of it that she did not use. It is still going to be bad the in we we've seen this already that her allies are like, why aren't you using it? Like if you don't use it yourself, what did you use it on me because I would love it. Like I WANNA get my hands dirty I wanNA. Compete. Why are you so afraid to compete? It just looks weak and that's what need to be worried about especially for Danny, who is going to be if she makes it to the end probably sitting next to some people that she might have some trouble beating in the first place. Absolutely. All right. So we get to the eviction and I vote of five to three. Ian Has benefited from the Big Brother House we talked about it last night I thought good exit from in despite. Everything that was said. Prior to it by. Yeah it's been a I talked about this last night as well. It's been rough hearing some of the things he has said and the way he's been behaving. It's been a little spicy which is kind of not the and we're used to seeing all that much although he has gotten spicy and his last game as well a little bit with frank here and there. But like the whole I you know I'm GonNa be bitter vote this person I'm not even GonNa to go in there I. Think ultimately seeing that exit. It took me back to wins more of a student of the game. He respects the game. I think he was Kinda mad that he was. Are. Nowhere taken out without any warning but I think once the shock settles, he'll be fine. It'll be fine. He's going to do. Well, he's already won once met at the jury. Is could to be a lot worse for Ian but it is what? I'll say all right. So we get to be h wage competition and. Age. MEMPHIS is yeah our. New H. Apparently Tyler came close. He said he he got tripped up. By like one piece at the end. To which I was like. Okay. I don't think tyler. Tyler. Wanted this I. Don't think Tyler wanted this. So. MEMPHIS ONES H H devan chose Christmas to be a have not that's right. She was pissed now to be clear the feeds were down for three hours after the episode. So we missed. A. Everything. So this is this is just what we've pieced together after the facts unfortunately. That devan chose Christmas. She was pissed. David. Shows cody. He, he was not happy but they conversation about it after. There was also apparently a blow up between David and day. They were talking about like David was yelling. Stuff like that and. It was about the vote I think apparently. The DEVAN was upset with David about. The vote. But nobody really knows what happened I think it was like a private blow up. Like they got into an argument. Other people were kind of overheard. Of It. and. Because because. They're trying to hide the content of the argument because they were arguing about the votes they're both lying about their votes. So she. So as of right now, she believes that day the David did vote to keep tyler and is lying to her about it. and. I would imagine the content of this argument, but we missed it on the feeds and Any time it's mentioned it all. Feeds. The only argument we have seen on the feeds this entire season was christmases thing with Balian Devan. Every other one has been cut from the feeds and anytime anything mentioned of a blow up regarding these things the feeds get cut. It's as though the policy this season is to genuinely just not show any blow ups and not even allow them to talk about them after the fact. which honestly is a dagger to. For Multiple reasons one obviously, there are people that are here to watch the drama dramatics fights. That's all gone. Now, these are some of the intriguing stuff on the feeds to see the other side Karen is the is the Taryn side of things. You WanNa see the strategy to come out of it. You WanNa see what is the thing that happened that this incident that caused all these other little seeds to hatch we're. Not Seeing these things anymore and I think the biggest detriment is the fact that for the three hours of what should be the most intriguing part of feeds are cut completely now they comeback in a midnight what everyone's just exhausted waiting for the H. to get their room anyway. So they're not really doing all that much. So it puts a damper on a lot of entertainment a lot of enjoyment for US honestly. The whole David and David and Avon's pick for the have nots. So the one thing I did hear was that cody talked about how? Apparently Tyler said don't pick me and then that caused. Did you pick which caused quoted again upset about? Well, that's. So that was David. We know that David planned on picking cody. He's he talked today von about it beforehand that he was planning on picking cody to weaken him because it's cody but. But I don't know if tyler actually said not me. Or. If he like or David is just pretending that he was like shaking his head or something but that was David's excuse for not picking anybody other than cody because he said cody was like. A bunch of other options man. But. He was doing it like again in that. Charming cody way where it's like a joke still. and. David was like well, everybody else was saying no, not me. In cody was like man because I didn't want to do that to you. So. Like I would WanNa put you in that spot. So you picked me. Having their. And they ever. I David did refer to being being called a derogatory term. We can maybe connect this to his argument with day but. Unfortunately, the feeds continue to kite. We have no idea what it was when it was said or anything like that. So yeah. You, wrote the information. So given the the statement they put out yesterday with regards to the Memphis stuff. I've a feeling. We're never going to find out what what well I'm. Sure. David. Will say eventually when we comes out of the house. postseason. SMART this down question to ask. David. So. Cody and Danny Talk. We. He he says that he does not want to go this week that he feels like targeting David would be such a waste this week that. It should be somebody other than David. And Danny pushes back a little bit. Well not necessarily I mean David's coming from Memphis and all of this. So it seems like. So far I'm feeling like we might get a little bit of A. Cody Danny proxy fight here over whether David or day. We'll go home this week but but I don't know if it will matter because Memphis is historically not. Taken any input anyway so I'm. Not entirely sure where this is going to go yet Memphis said straight up. Not, talking tonight. Did we expect anything else. Answers. Very. I'm going to lock the room chill that's it. No conversations get what a Memphis h hits who knows that Leon has got more for her than I do so. I mean. Look I enjoyed Memphis's first HOA train myself on a selfish level because. It was kind of a crazy week because he caused chaos in the house by not listening to anybody and. I got to sleep that week. Memphis yet suits good bedtime schedule so It was it was perfect scenario for me. Yeah curfews health. I got a good night's sleep last night to the first time in a minute. So can't complain about that part of it. I have a feeling this time it's probably gonNA be more like. Not Not an exciting week but at least. I'll get some say, yeah. Now these them sleep get some fun. Do some other the other hobbies we've neglected since the start of the season it'll be it'll be. Yes So Christmas does talk to emphasises the little bit of game talk we do get from him. They talk through the schedule for the rest of the game, they're anticipating to double evictions. And, Memphis mentions that of the three that are not in the alliance essentially, he is least concerned about they've gone. So that is the complete opposite opposite of cody. We'll see if cody is able to change this. Christmas immediately. She says as smart and she will win these competitions coming up in these. are going to get more mental. Couple years behind but one. And she is most she is most concerned about Kevin in terms of competition but she. DEVAN would probably be second most concerned about in terms of competitions. Memphis did not seem like he was fully. You know because again it's meant Memphis doesn't listen to. So I I don't think that she made a lot of headway there but. In Memphis implying here in this conversation that his initial thoughts are Kevin and David as the two nominees because Dave, on is the person he's. Concerned about. Yes. So and I think that memphis the type of person to completely look at it in a binary code. Kinda way of she played three seasons and has one one COMP. Therefore, she is not a threat. That's how he's going to be looking at it and I do think if it was anyone else tearing that was sitting around this week, it would be very interesting because I do think the cody versus Danny thing would be a thing i. do think that cody has been tired of you know having his option always be plan you want case out. The one going out, you want three other people have to get an on before and goes out. So I think cody sick of that and want once for wants to have his say. But again, MEMPHIS is the president of not really want to do any of that. We'll see what happens with the conversation with cody one it happens. But ultimately I do think that it's looking like what we would have predicted, which is I think Kevin and David are GonNA end up back on the block once more. Well. It's interesting because something that cody talked about in the early game that he felt like other people were messing up especially people like Danny is that he's he said. It's very important to pick your battles and he felt like those battles in the early portion of the game were not worth fighting. You know losing over case or whatever losing. Bailey over Dave on whatever it didn't ultimately matter that much to him. But he is. From what I'm seeing choosing to fight this battle, he does think it's important that David Status Week David seems to be a big part of his endgame plans and And we'll. We'll see this over the course of the night he talks to Nicole. He says that he really doesn't think they should send David Home Nicole agrees. He says the Kevin Day or super tight. and. And they and they don't trust David that. They think they think he voted against them. They don't trust him. There's a lot of tension there. So it makes sense to split up Kevin and day. which leaves two people left in the game who don't trust each other. and. Then they have a harder time working together and we can then pick them up. And that's good for us. He says a good excuse that we can use for Memphis is that look this whole plan was to get? Kevin and day to not trust David because they think that he flipped on them to vote to keep tyler. So it makes sense that we keep him off the block because he voted with us right like Oh that's his. Like, Oh, you voted with us you're with us why would you be on the block? And of course, that's a great idea because we we need to keep this ruse. And So. Cody has a few different arguments to make in favor of David that don't seem like selfish arguments. I think the real thing that is happening here is that he wants to hold David in and use him as sort of like Anti Committee faction weapon here. If possible and insurance policy if you will and I think this is the correct pick for him of WHO's left because I think he correctly is seeing that is concerned about Dave connection with girls and he knows I don't I don't think he thinks that at the PC can have and I think Kevin's the other option. But then I think he feels like you'll get, he'll be able to wrangle David and just like tyler was doing the same thing early on in the season I think now he thinks that this is a piece that's upper grabs and he can use a couple of excuses obviously biggest one being let's split these two these two are together. She, just used the veto on. So everything like this is a very good read on cody. Now, the question is going to overplay to get what he wants or really try to get what he wants this week or does he see that maybe we can salvage it for next week ultimately as long as David isn't the one I think he doesn't care if he ends up on the block, right? Yeah. So he he sets it up as a way to try and convince Memphis it's not put them on the block in the first place I imagine he will be working all week long to try and convince Memphis to at least be okay with the fact that like. I imagine his ultimate plan, his ultimate backup plan to save David. This week will be to fall back on essentially what he used to keep tyler, which is Heyman. Everyone else wants this. Like everyone else wants David. You want to stick your neck out to like really good David Gone. That sort of thing. So. I I'm feeling right now if cody cody maintains this line of thinking, which is not necessarily going to happen because I don't fully trust David to who to not screw it up. So of course. Then I do think David will stay this week. I do even if he ends up on the block, I think the votes are there to keep him. And I think the cody has shown them. When he when he wants something, he is able to get it this season. The question is who will be sitting next to David. It's probably going to be Kevin Out I. think that cody also would like for Dan to leave this week. But I think he will take David staying. That's his primary goal. DEVAN leaving is his secondary goal I. Think he's not going to push as as hard for that. Kevin leaving is fine for him too. So We'll see. Big We will see. Yeah. This could come down to the veto again. Cody also gives Nicole crap. Apparently cody never got an invite technicals wedding either. Yeah this shortlist fascinating of like war, my friends and who got invited who did it's also incredible that forty five days and forty four days, and we're still talking about this wedding. Here, he was like half the cast of BBC sixteen. Got An invite to your wedding. Did Not and she was like, well, yeah, because I spent all my time in jury hanging out with them. Thanks to you. Cody talks to David. That he gives he gives them some like lighthearted crap about picking about picking him to be a have not. It's again. It's that thing I think. I. Talked about it on the roundtable the other day that like. Cody is able to kind of. Like smile through like you know what I'm saying like. He's like. Yeah it's like duty. You picked me I I was pissed about it for like a second and I was like, Oh, my God I gotTa Chill because you know it's not that big of a deal man but like I'm still giving you crap for it because you know you did this to me but like it's fine. and Man I wouldn't even be I wouldn't even joking around with you about it if we weren't so close because. Like. I would know it. I'm annoyed that I've got to eat slop but like I can't even I can't even like fully do it. But but he's doing that joking around like he is he is laying the charm on thick to David. He is working hard. To try to tell David like. Hey. I've got you. Like David is in a vulnerable position, he just got yelled at by his only allies he the his biggest enemy in the house just one h h and he's very vulnerable and cody knows this and he's using this opportunity to try to be like, Hey, man. Look at me smiling at you I I'm I'm safe harbor from all of your troubles come to me. That is something that you know. I. Think Credit where credit's due because Put everything down and be willing to look at this from a game perspective and put the work into bring someone in I. Appreciate that a lot in leaps and bounds because I will say. He does do it in a very smooth manner. He is related to polycom fear they both have the Keller Fury I. Saw I. See the Paulie Him. He's like one like condescending smile away from really coming off that way, but he's able to do it on a different level. He's able to do it on a social level and it doesn't come off in any way catty or you know. Just upsetting in any way like you feel comfortable because he he started this conversation with like you've been dogging me man like you were dogging me and to start it that way into end worry ended it. To me it is David. So the playing tennis with the net down a little bit but it's still impressive nonetheless. Yeah. Because like I think like. Nine percent of people if they were saying the same things that cody is saying it would come off. Like. Oh you're mad. You're mad. Yes. Big Map. But cody has a way about him that makes it seem like. Like. I know that I'm stupid for being upset and. Like even though I was upset like it's not a big deal and and like, Hey, you should you should not feel bad about it. Like it's on me and I'm GonNa make feel good about it. I. Totally. So. Whether or not it's working on David is another story obviously like I said David had planned on putting cody have not because he's he knows that cody. Charge of the House so. We'll see where this goes but Ultimately I do think that this is a good move for cody like obviously tyler had David, but David now doesn't trust. Tyler. And I feel like. I feel like David might choose cody over Tyler, which is not great for tyler because Tyler is running out of options pretty quick here and it will need to start. Need to start picking up some pieces somewhere especially, if cody is going to pull in David. So. Tyler does talk to Nicole. They talked about continuing their ruse. Tyler says that they von went up to him while the feeds were down and claimed that she was a vote to keep him. But she was the vote not David. This happened. He, was like Oh. Okay. Thank you. The tight rope that these houseguests choose to walk is fascinating I. Mean this whole like this whole vote has been built on a house of cards and it's just a matter of fact that. None of it. No. I don't think anyone really the only person that would have been in a position to really Bhai it was Ian out. Now, the only people left that are confused as to what's going on. Dave and Kevin with David and then David. Later, when he finds out, the rest of the house is going to be seeing it the way that he hasn't been seeing it. It's just so fascinating and I think this was such a misstep for Dave on to try and flame like big MISSTEP. Big. Yeah I mean you know. Look this is not going to change your position Monterey like. It's just like. She's already in trouble right like. Boy Yeah. I mean definitely I don't know what she's doing here. You know. She she thinks she thinks it was David. But even if she thinks it's David then obviously like why would tyler not think it was David. It's just messy messy. Christmas talks to Nicole Nicole says, the David shouldn't go this week. and. Christmas agrees. So code he's got some allies here. Nicole. Says the Cabinet Day really close to make sense to separate them. And Christmas says that she will try to at Nicole's urging influence Memphis to not target David this week she thinks that she has some sway with him so she might be able to make that happen so. Cody via Nicole via Christmas already getting in some work. Enzo talks to cody. They say they want to keep David because he can be useful to them. That if they is on the block, they're sending her home. and. If David's on the block, they're keeping them. They also talk about how Christmas needs to go soon. He's gotta go sewn. She's dangerous and they talk about Memphis proposition of a final three with the three of them. And they like Memphis wants to work with us. Let's good. Good situation. Now, the one thing that remains is, what is this going to be named and it's going to be better than triple Whatever whatever the name is. It's got to work for the Christmas, Enzo Memphis final three as well. So. You're the facts. Yeah. It's got out of the same name I. Forgot about that a little element of it. So Day talks to Kevin she talks about how David Will Not admit to his vote. She says he's he's no longer. IS HE DENZEL WASHINGTON? He is. Now he's Tyler. Perry. With his bad acting. Yeah. These are these are words that were uttered. I tell you when he's lying he's Denzel when he's telling the truth he's Tyler Perry. Yeah it's funny because if when he's telling the truth. You look at the way he saying that things and it's all confusing. He is kind of acting but I don't think he realizes he's acting. So maybe even a better actor when he is speaking the truth because it's an riddle and we don't really know what he's saying. Day talks to tyler. She Asks Him who he thinks voted for for him. And he includes David and her in the list. While you Dave. And so. MEMPHIS I think. And she's like. Well, let me tell you tyler David approach to me to try and tie up the vote because he wanted to get blood on his I. Don't know if David voted for you tyler. David was trying to tie up this vote and. I don't know who his other votes were, but he did approach me about this. So I got to watch out for that until I was like Oh, man that's thank you for telling me. That's a new information to me. I just that's that's how I imagine that conversation goes in Tyler's head of like I'm just GonNa, leave it a nod. Like okay. This is what it is. devante. What it is I want to move on again. It's the that this charades that they're playing I just don't see the benefit of. What also, it's at this point of the game. This is what we're going to see a lot of this going through because the jury's in motion out. So we're just GONNA have to see a lot of these conversations go on and To. Know result some results but I think minimal of. I mean I think like you know. These people are bringing in elements of their season into this season cody brought in the big alliance running the game. MEMPHIS is bringing in the secret halfway through the game made alliances. Nicole is bringing in the like I'm GONNA pretend to be sad about a thing and you know for the Audience Tyler is bringing in the let's cause chaos amongst the opposition. To make them not trust each other. Like Like, all of these people are Danny's bringing in the disastrous Hoa trains. There each bringing in pieces of their games into this one combined moshing them altogether. I see now I liked it better when you explain it that way because I pictured it as a crossover movie where everyone comes in with air superpowers but now it's one big superpower. So. Thank you. Thank you for finding. Voice for spins for all this that's going on. Yes brings the brigade. The styles. Danny talks today. Danny's is still pretending to not be happy the tyler stage she's. Like. Oh, I'm scared of him. And they talk about how close to eight. Day Says David's gotta go. Davis. Stays going to try and get David out this week, which I think will help David. I think. So if she if she if she approaches Memphis saying that David should go I, think Memphis will be like. Okay maybe cody as a point. I think in a season where the word untouchable has jumped up the vocabulary and the fact that Dave on just used the veto on Kevin and the fact that they've spent a lot of time after that veto ceremony on being mad that she did this one against what they would danny would have wanted things become very obvious that there a clean cut pair and that's her untouchable now at Bailey's gone. So now from one untouchable to the next untouchable, this untouchable needs to be separated. This only endorse David Stay. And I also think that it will help. Dave on. In. MEMPHIS. Is. Because the argument I think we'll be that they von and David. Don't trust each other she wants David Gone let's keep the two of them in the house. Let's get rid of Kevin the potential middleman. And I think that's the biggest thing that Kevin has gone against them is that I don't think anyone necessarily Kevin as part of their game plan where I could see dave on being as part of some people's plans I. Think Danny feels better with Dave on potentially out of the three and I think that obviously we've we've talked about cody looking at. David as part of his. Endgame. So Kevin is the easy one to pickoff. Sadly enough. It is his birthday today right? If I if I've. S. Friday that is a thing that is going to be happening. Now I am concerned about Devan for a couple of reasons. One is that cody wants her gone. If she ends up on the blog, Keith could get the votes to get her gone. To is that this women's Alliance thing. Could be. Could be a reason. To send her home over Kevin that like okay. Maybe she's Anti David more so than Kevin, but she could be a piece for Danny Nicole, and so we take her out than we make sure that they don't have any pieces to us, and so that could be an argument against her. So that I'm concerned about but like I said, Memphis. At the start of the night said, she's the one. He's least concerned about so I'm feeling like. If I'm. GonNa if I had to guess I, do think that day von will be left off the block I. Think it's going to be Kevin and David with Kevin Potentially as the target I think that concession will be made. But then if veto is used I am concerned about about Dave and below anything can can technically happen at this point. I still. Think that in order of most danger to least danger, Kevin is in the most danger Vaughn is in the second most danger and David is the safest at the moment. Yes so I was thinking do you think cody could use this as an argument of hey? MEMPHIS look. Day. Just used the veto on. If you don't put day up and you put Kevin and David Up, there's a potential chance that she has. Vetoed draw she plays again takes off very. Yeah just put them next to each other, and then if one of them when you put David on like wanted anyways. They've used the veto on Kevin. David's not gonNA use on either of them because they don't trust him. And he'll probably get David to go. Let's get to agree he won't do it. Yeah, I could see the you now. The question is, will he think of making that argument? given what we know about how cody if you want something, he'll try to make it. Happen I. Think it will come to his mind at some point he'll use it on Memphis. And MEMPHIS does not want to do is have to nominate somebody from the committee or and if he doesn't have to. So. It's in good point puja. What I want this is. Making Day go on the block. I had there is no way I'm going to pay me. Is this I just I'm just saying if I'm playing devil's advocate on believe me I'm playing devil's advocate when Memphis is at the helm of how how does this work for cody? This is the argument you have to make the solidify that because I do think more often than not he's good on David to be one of the two on the block. anyways. All, right. Well, final conversation I Dante Nicole Talk. About you know. So. Hard. But. They also talked about how Danny does not want to go this week and Nicole says she doesn't either but. She's afraid that day's GonNa find out they lied to her. And so. At the end of the day. If they has to go. Nicole is going to be okay with it because she's worried the day's GonNa find out she lied to her. Yeah which We can discuss the merits of should they have done this today should they have tried to all the wool over is by framing David? I don't know. I. Don't know if there was a benefit there I do think that all ultimately even if day was to find out potentially, it could still work together down the line. If you know day isn't the first target this week and she makes it out alive. But also if I was them, I'd be shaking in my boots to for this. So yeah, I think I think I think Nicole feelings of if she's gotta go she's got go as fine. Also don't think Nichols the type of person who can let Go I think paranoid will always haunt her and it'll always make her feel worried about Avon now even though she is the person who frigging caused this doing this with Dave on not Dave on did anything. Oh yeah, it's it's I did somebody wrong and now I have to do them more wrong. So they don't get me back. Yeah. Yeah. So. There you go. Anything else you wanted to bring up from yesterday I mean, I, think the people were waiting. It's one I think the former employee of the bay. Oh, nipple factor in a nickel off we have to talk about we don't have to I. Don't know if there's much to talk about. But basically, if you want to hear about the fact that cody and Enzo had tiny nipple off then. You can definitely find that scene from the feeds. Last night in Tyler has perfect circles. Yes and the rest have Ovalles' this things we learnt sorry was cody and then tyler talk about yes. Yes. Yes. So there's there's a lot of nipples involved basically. So you can find that on twitter you can find that on read it and now we've mentioned here so you can find that here. As the official nipple judge of our HP. Who has the Best Nipples? I. Think that. Most people would say cody potentially but I do think that Enzo. Like fine wine nipples eight is what I'm GONNA. Say there you go. There you go. I don't like that I'm like the nipple king now, but it is what it is. We'll move on I the nipple king. These these titles create themselves. All right. Thank you guys so much for joining us today. You can find me on twitter at Armstrong Taryn Oron twitch twitch dot TV slash terron. Armstrong. Who, yeah what are you up to where it can people find you? Can find me on twitter instagram twitch who is immoral three. We've got the Ninety Day fiance rob a podcast up ready to go the latest episode and then Massingir preview coming soon. Probably GonNA. Get really sometime this weekend if not Monday at the latest I am hoping so. Sure to check out for those, it's going to be a fun ride. I. This is my last week in a proper sleep before all the show say puja dance and I'm like, okay, we're dancing. So I'm excited. Right. Thanks again for joining. US guys. I'll be back tomorrow eleven am eastern to update and everything that happens to be twenty, two live feeds and then. Tomorrow night Saturday roundtable. We will be talking about the legacy of these players. We'll see where Ian. Falls. We'll see where tyler is after his big fall last week. And many more. With hopefully a special guest for you tomorrow night. So look out for. The Saturday roundtable tomorrow night and. We'll also have some so we were able to submit questions. To Iain. 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063 - David Eagleman - Neosensory's Buzz and The Next Generation of Hearing Science (feat. Jacque Scholl, AuD & Kevin Liebe, AuD)

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063 - David Eagleman - Neosensory's Buzz and The Next Generation of Hearing Science (feat. Jacque Scholl, AuD & Kevin Liebe, AuD)

"Hi i'm your host. Dave camp and this is future ear radio each episode. We're breaking out one new thing one cool new findings that's happening in the world of the world voice technology power. These worlds starting to intersect power. These worlds starting to collide. What cool things are gonna come from this intersection of technology without further ado. Let's get on with the show. Okay so we have an awesome episode. Today we are joined here by three great guests. I am joined by kevin levy. Jackie shoal and dr david eagle men. So why don't we go one by one introduce ourselves. Tell us a little bit about are and what you do starting with you. Jackie ladies first Thank you dave. Well it's great to be here. Thank you I am an audiologist. This is a second career for me. And i was in private practice. I worked in an emt's primarily focused in cochlear implants I had my own practice for about twelve years. And i sold it. Oh about a year and a half ago. So i'm Working primarily with my daughter who is Thirteen now dave. If you can believe that and She is deaf and we adopted her from china when she was five and a half years old. She had never heard a sound She had she had no language And unbeknownst to me I i thought she had a mild to moderate hearing loss But actually jade is the devastation. i've ever had in my life. She has neuro plasticity or. She has neuro plastic eighth auditory nerves. the right worse than the left so but she hears with two coakley implants at She has full access and she's learning to read and speak and do all the things that and sas she's thirteen did tell you that right. Great thanks thanks for being here. Jackie kevin dave. Thanks just i think is the second time i've been on the podcast. So thank you for having me back I'm also an audiologist about last twelve years or so Mostly in private practice. But i did spend about four years on the industry side of things so i've kind of had a pretty good mix of ent private practice hospital kind of a broad spectrum of Patient experience but also a lot of people know me through hereon health and technology matters. Which is the website that that i do own and It's kind of open the doors to a lot of interesting opportunities which is kind of how i came to me david ableman. I know who's going to introduce himself next. And and learn about the buzz. Which i think is pretty cool technology. So yeah and again i. I guess that's about it awesome. Thanks for being here. Kevin last but not least david ige woman. Hey dave and kevin and jackie's so yeah i'm a neuroscientist at stanford and i run a company called neo sensory. For many years. I've been studying. How signals can get to the brain and how we might push signals to the brain otherwise in especially in non invasive manners and so. That's how i ended up spinning off this company. Which will which we'll talk about beautiful well f. You can't discern already. This conversation is gonna largely pertain to a lot of david's work With his company neo sensory. He's also written a book called livewire. Which is you know. Basically detailing a lot of the science. That goes into the buzz and around sensory substitution. So i figure you know between the four of us having kevin to kind of provide his clinicians perspective in jackie. Not only as an audiologist. You providing that perspective but as a mother of a deaf child Who has been using the buzz. I think she would have a really good perspective on this as well. So why don't we kick things off. David share a little bit about wired. Maybe even the definition of what that means and How it might be a little bit more suitable than say neuro plasticity and ultimately The basis of this book in some of the key takeaways from it. Okay great so yeah so livewire does my eighth book and the reason i wrote this is because when you learn about the brain we tend to learn about this as a static system like okay the visual part of the brain. Here's the hearing part the touch and so on but in fact the whole system is extremely dynamic and as always moving around and learning every memory you have every new skill you learn and so on represents this this change in the brain now. This is technically in the field. We call this neuro plasticity. I happen to not be that impressed with the word plastic because one hundred years ago to represent the way that we can mold this material plastic into place and it will hold that shape but in fact you got eighty six billion neurons in the brain that are constantly moving and shifting and changing every second of your life and so it's a much larger concept than plasticity so that's why i coined the term live wiring. But that that the detail doesn't matter. It's all about the flexibility of the brain. One of the things that really got my attention starting about fifteen years ago. Was this issue of sensory substitution. Which is this idea of. you know. Look we've got is near his nose and mouth and so on and we're used to these sensory devices but of course what these are all doing is turning information from the outside world into spikes in the darkness of our brain and the question is could you get those spikes in their through a different unusual channel and so the idea of sensory substitution is that you take something let's say like hearing and instead of pushing it in through the ears. Could you get that same content in some other way. So that's what. I ended up building in my lab is a device. We originally built this as a vest. That's covered inviting tori motors in a capture sound and it turns that sound into patterns of abrasion on the skin so it's essentially doing exactly what the inner ear does the cochlea. It's breaking upset down from high low frequency and then putting that on different spatial locations on the torso and we ended up getting venture capital funding for this and spun this as a company called neo sensory and and under the aegis of that company we shrunk down to a wristband so it's like a bit sized device and capture sound has very sophisticated processing chip on it and it breaks it up into frequencies from low to high and see your feelings vibrations on your skin now. The question is could a person who is deaf. Come to understand what's happening in the auditory world via vibrations on the skin and the answer is yes. It works because people because it doesn't matter how the information gets up to the brain. The brain looks for things that are relevant. It looks for correlations in the world. So if you see the dog's mouth moving and you feel the barking on your skin your brain puts that together. And i think the way to to understand this is you know you didn't know how to use your ears as a baby you're born into the world and you figure it out you watch your mother's mouth moving. You're getting singles in your ears and you put these things together and eventually you get good at understanding how to how to interpret auditory data and what to make of it and of course what happens is that you don't. Oh i'm hearing ugandans voice and i'm hearing some high frequency and some low frequencies instead he just feel like you hear my voice and that's the same thing that happens with people wearing this wristband called buzz is that You know on day one. They're actually better than chance at understanding particular editor Being able to identify sounds so we present a sound to the respond. And we say hey. Was that a doorbell or a dog barking. And they make their best gas and then we moved present. Another ticket ticket. Was that a car passing or a fire alarm or whatever and we do. Lots of these tests in terms of the people are pretty good on day. One at being able to understand the sounds of the world through their risk but as time goes on they get better and better at it and so the key thing to my mind. The key thing about this is it's totally noninvasive you just putting on like a fitbit and And it's It's inexpensive. It's fraction of the price of a hearing aid and small fraction of the price of the cochlear implant and so This is this is what we're doing with buzz. Yeah i think You know when. I was reading your book. what i really appreciated was some of the different Analogies and comparisons that you make to nature so you draw a lot of different animals in the ways that they sort of naturally evolved to you know the way in which a mole for example sees the world is through all of its little fingers and and so that's how it you know in a bat with with sonar and so I find this really interesting. You had a quote in your book where you said You know the your brain is locked in a vault of darkness in silence and all it ever sees our electrochemical signals. And so i find this to be really interesting because You know. I think as somebody. That isn't super familiar with the world of neuroscience. I just sort of assume that the reason that you hear the way that you do or the way that you see the world the way that you do just that's just the way that it is but reality it's an it's a natural evolution in so there isn't necessarily a reason as to why i'm other than through in evolutionary standpoint as to why are is operate the way that they do because you know in the grand scheme of things you can effectively get those same chemical you know Reactions in your brain to happen three or different senses right. That's exactly right. And so yeah and so the reason we chose touch is because your skin is actually the largest oregon of your body but it goes completely wasted nowadays modern life. We're not using our skin for much of anything and but we can actually push a lot of information into that. So that's why we chose that. And as i said we started with this vast because you can push a lot of information through the torso but it turns out. Nobody wants to invest around Even under their clothing. So that's why we ended up with this thing that looks like a fitbit which is very convenient and one thing i wanted to ask about this too so You know with the the form factor that you're using now When you did initially develop the vast was part of that because of the limitations of technology at the time and here we are in twenty twenty one and so that you can pack more into a wearable device today and I'm curious where you're thinking is as to you know a year or two from now will present even more opportunities can you. Will you be able to do even more with a fitbit. Sized device that five six years ago was previously unimaginable given the constraints of the technology. Yeah that's exactly right as tickets better. We're looking at different ways of passing this information in right now we have what are called linear resonant actuators which vibe tori motors. It's the same thing that buzzes in your cell phone. But there are new technologies coming out where it's like Strip a little bubbles essentially. They're getting filled with air. And these are even more rapid and you can feel these and you can fit more on their one of the things that we measure in. Keep careful track of his. What's called two point discrimination. Which is can your skin. Distinguish different points on the skin and different parts of the body have different thresholds for how far apart the things need to be. What we're doing nowadays is we're using. We're using haptic illusions in other words illusions of touch that allow us to get even more information in there so just as an example. If i turn onto these motors that are right next to each other. You'll actually feel a virtual single point in the middle. And as i change the amplitude of these two motors i can move that little virtual point around so we can actually hit a lot of very fine specific points even even with the technology we have but yes. It's only getting better. Because i think that. What's so interesting about this. Is you know this idea of live wiring rewiring your brain to create this new sense more or less and what i'm curious about is get with say the buzz in and i'm going to be really curious to get some jackie's input here to as her daughter. Where's this is. How long typically does it take for that to occur. Where 'cause i know in your book you mentioned that with young children for example their brains or maybe more malleable. And they're easier to they. Just you know sort of rewire at even quicker pace but Four se adults who has been That was born deaf or profoundly hearing impaired if they were to be given this device. How long would it take for their brain to start to naturally perceive what signals are being communicated through either the vast or the wrist worn does. Yeah i'll just say we've done studies on this and the younger you are the faster you can learn on it. But that said even people in their sixties and seventies can can learn this. It just takes a little bit longer. It also has to do is how much you're out in the world so if you're running around and seeing things and looking at stuff happening and feeling it on the buzz it happens. Faster the real. So so there's there's two things. I should mention one is that the improvement goes up yearly with time and the reason i mentioned details because there are some tasks that you can learn where there's a sudden jump instead of a linear progression and that indicates that there are some conscious aha moment but in our case it's not a conscious thing it's at your brain is actually learning better and better how to interpret these signals. Presumably yours did when you were a baby. And the second thing i was going to mention the main thing is what we have found is that at about three months three or four months. There's a change happens where people start perceiving this consciously so in other words it's not that they're feeling stuff on the wrist in translating and saying. Oh yeah that's a dog barker. That's lawnmower that's doorbell. That's a microwave beeping. But instead they're just having what is called equality where it's too subjective internal experience. Just the way that you say. Oh i'm just having experience of the dog barking. I'm i'm not translating this thing. It's the same thing where i've interviewed people wearing the bus for a long time and i say okay. Look when you hear the dog bark do you. Do you feel a buzz on your wrist. And then you think okay. That was. What was that was that they. I'm just hearing the dog bark. And that's as cr- as crazy as it is. It's precisely what we'd expect. Because that's how all of our organs work. Your brain works to extract patterns and eventually make a just a private subjective experience for you which is how like braille works to right. That's right when when you watch person reading a novel in braille. You know they laugh. They cry tears running down. Their cheeks doesn't matter that the information is getting in there via bumps on the skin all that matters to them is the content of it. Yeah so jackie. I'm gonna kick it over to you here as a mother of a child. jade who using this. What's been your experience like. What's been your child's experience like Very curious to hear about this sure. Well keep in mind. Jade's not your typical Kogler implant recipient She was very late. You know five and a half never having sound Having hypoplastic nerves on top of that But we move mountains for her. She she has completely full access with her cochlear. Implants she has a custom made device from the company Which actually is traffic pulse. Tim versus by phase which allows us to give her more without facial stem so She's very unique in that she does a lot of stuff that Anyone ever anticipated her being able to do let alone. Kid with hypoplastic but When we got the buzz What was what's been really really interesting. Is the first thing that i noticed. And i you know i have to tell you. I just put it on her. I didn't i didn't know. Actually i didn't know until recently that i could turn the mics down a little bit She's probably been getting over. Stay with dogs and stuff but she The thing i noticed. I was even though she has to cochlear implants she hears at You know here's at normal levels She doesn't hear your behind her and you say j. Let's say the grocery store jade jade Sometimes i have to like actually go up and but immediately when with with the buzz She feels it before. I think she hears it sometimes or before. She notices that she hears it. So i get much faster responses from her. Because it's like. Oh and and like you said david. I don't know that she's consciously Saying i feel that she's it's just it's signaling her quicker than what she's getting with an for the mother of a child who's very deaf Wow that's pretty Safeties a huge. I mean these you think about our people who are deaf and hard of hearing and how very vulnerable they are to any kind of You know attacks or Kidnapped all of that stuff that we were scared about his parents That was the first thing. I noticed the second thing. And and and one of the things that we've worked tirelessly on his speech Speech speech speech speech is important End language. I don't mean to say one without the other We do sign support and we talk. Because that's what jade wants. I you know one thing. I'll tell you is kids. Know what they want. And that's what they're gonna do but you can't always understand her because everything has one syllable so with was it has been a particularly fascinating thing that we're able to do because we'll like i'll hold it to and i'll go baseball. There's two syllables baseball. Can you feel it. it's it's it's too and so we're really. Her language development in the last month has just shot off the charts. I just had a conference with her She does one on one language Literally thirty minutes before this. And they're like wow it's like crazy and to voice and if we're trying to get her to voice versus the call. It's a much stronger feeling right david. You've designed it to Yes exactly right in until we can show what we try and do is say this is how it feels and sounds And then she has to try and make that feel the same way. It's been amazing. That's fascinating yeah. It's been really I have to tell you. David and dave and heaven everyone. I am really thrilled for our children. Who especially our children who have hypoplastic There have been very few options for them. Most most places would not have implanted. Jade me being in the community. I had kind of a special. You know a special case but This on top of that is is really. I think it's a game changer. For those kids. Thank you david thank you. I'm so glad that's working. Yeah i mean i. i think that what's fascinating is. I knew that the there were a lot of opportunities around the alerting features. Like you mentioned at the beginning you know you're at the grocery store j. j. d. and so she can feel that there's you know somebody behind them trying to communicate but i do find this whole notion of you know her having to sort of Mimic the the sound around her almost harmonize it. So that she can see okay. This is the way that it sounds from speech discrimination standpoint and just like the ability to discriminate between like i remember you told me earlier Jackie about like avocado didn't she. She wasn't able to ever really register with her. That that was a four syllable word but now that she can feel it. And so that to me is Where the bigger opportunity is here in I'm curious from you. David when you hear this is this. Is this the bigger picture. Is this a good I guess again going back to livewire. Is this a representation of you know if if these are like. She's getting these reports that she's her ability to decipher speech. Just going up and up and up is that in large part. Due to the rewiring in her brain. That's sort of happening as a byproduct of the experience of wearing something like this. That's exactly right. I mean everything is about input output and making these cycles of feedback. So obviously the reason that we are able to articulate and figure out how to speak is because we're hearing and go babbling phase where they're trying things out and getting feedback in some utterances. Get a big smile from their mother and others get a look of confusion and this is how you figure out language but you need that feedback loop to get established and that's why it's so unbelievable useful when you have a inexpensive thing you can strap on and then you get that yeah in so kicking it over to you now. Kevin As not only a clinician but also somebody that is very immersed in this industry with hearing health that matters you cover a lot of the emerging technologies. That's going on. And i feel like you have probably one of the best fingers on the pulse of the state of the industry and and just a wide variety of professionals that encompassed set in. So how do you see from a just from a business standpoint. How do you see this as being applied in hearing health. Broadly speaking. yeah a they stephen and jackie. That's that's incredible. I mean i've heard that third hand from dave You know the story about your daughter. But that's i mean that's that's pretty amazing as you know that that just makes makes me feel good about how much progress. That's amazing but Dave to your point. So just you know if we're talking like business level or at least from the clinical level where i can see this being position at is really an in. We've had lots of conversations David and his team about like where. This technology kind of fits into here in healthcare. I think as more broadly as a clinician. Honestly where a lot of this to me. He came in as i mean every single day. I'm seeing patients that run the gamut of mild to profound hearing loss. And what you very frequently see. Jackie you know having worked clinically. You're going to encounter patients when they're in that moderate and and and more severe territory that they're gonna have safety concerns so to me I don't infrequently patient saying like why don't take my hearing aids off at night. Because i'm worried. I'm not going to hear my alarm. I'm worried i'm not going to hear the door. And i mean this is just a really awesome complement to existing technology. So it doesn't have to take the place of the coakley plant or a hearing aid. But i i really see this as if somebody has moderate hearing loss or or worse they could really benefit from this. Just you know just from a safety standpoint but then again the more significant hearing loss the more speech benefit but so to me just as a clinician. If somebody is telling me. They're concerned about like that. They're not hearing things at home You know and they're worried about safety. I'm always going recommend the buzz. It you don't you can use a William talk you can use a smartphone app. And you can customize the frequency response for my audiology nerds out there. The that would be interested in that. But i mean you can adjust the frequency response. You're gonna just intensity but you can still do that on the wrist in terms of the intensity levels. There's different things you can do with or without the app but but you know David mentioned earlier about this. Being a fraction of the cost of a hearing aid or of the cost of a cochlear implant. I mean not only in patients ic- on basis. But i mean this type of technology really is needed not just in the us not just in western europe and You know Countries the third world really could benefit from this people. That don't have access to this kind of attack. I mean i. I really think that technologies like this not only to have speech discrimination benefits but the safety issues That often don't really get a lot of airtime We don't talk about it a lot really in in the in the literature very frequently minutes kind of always aside aside conversation of oh maybe you need a like a loud alarm to wake you up or something like that but i mean i've had people tell me that have used the buzz the say like i don't have to pack my giant alarm clock in my bag. That's going to wake me up in vibrate. When i go on a trip so if you could just have this little this little fitbit sized device and and it's super easy can set it up on their phone. I mean they're there's just a number of applications and really you The really intriguing. Part to me was like wow. I could really see how this could really complement. People that wear cochlear implants in. Have you know superpower instruments. I mean really. everybody has a kogler implant. I think in my personal professional opinion could benefit from this. I mean if you have a ci or you have a superpower hearing aids. I mean this is a great device that could complement even just daily use with your hearing. It's you know it's not just in spite of your parents with the here in because it can give you. Do you think people with manures disease using people who have these really significant word discrimination problems. I mean they could benefit from this because they benefit from every extra little bit of context and if i can give somebody five ten fifteen twenty percent improvement under speech discrim and they're discrimi- very low as is i mean that's the big deal as a clinician to me anything that can do to improve. Somebody's were discrimination. I i'm going to recommend. So i think even just again from business. I do see this being a great compliment to for anybody that has moderate to severe to profound loss. I mean i mean sure like people that are musicians and stuff people that really like to integrate. Different technologies have different. Sensory experiences could might really be into this too. But just from a clinician stamp. It really see that kind of moderate to severe to profound cases where people really gonna probably see this to be a really good fit. This is one of the first pieces of feedback we started getting is from people who already had cochlear implants for example one person described this as three dimensional hearing by which simply meant. She was hearing something to her cochlear implant. She was feeling vibrant. Tori information on the buzz and she was reading lips and together. This really sharpened the probability distribution and she was able to really get what was being said. And i talked with kevin about this and he started calling the tri modal hearing. And that's a that's a thing we've heard many times as feedback of that What i was gonna throw in. What cabin was saying. Is you know last. This last year has been very challenging in our profession. it's been challenging for a lot of people. And i think that what we're seeing is we're coming back full circle you know. We are now looking at all the ways. Not only that. We can fit hearing aids and cochlear implants but or rehabilitation. How do we. How do we help. Our patients communicate because in the end. That's really what we want to do. And so i see this after my experience with watching jade and her immediate. Because just because you have on cochlear implants and just because you have on hearing age. You still miss a lot unless you know. You're you still. You still miss a lot. I see this as in addition to okay. So you have your your hearing aids in their fine tuned in your cocoa implants. So what is it. We always try and tell our patients to do. Get that person's attention first before you start talking right. So david david. They're gonna feel it. They're going to hear they're gonna turn right away. And so then you can engage in conversation so i just think i think it's going to become an invaluable tool for us as clinicians to In had i honestly had not seen this firsthand I don't know that. I would have believed it so much. But it's been incredible really to watch my own daughter's speech and language increased but more importantly her ability to know someone's talking to her right away the dogs if they're barking. She hears them all the way upstairs. She didn't hear that before she's not here. It's trimodal modal. You know input job running down the stairs and my husband said their day goes. How'd she here that. Unlike i think it was a combination of. That's great. yeah. I mean i think that. What's what's fascinating is. I love that that tri modal standpoint and You know again. This comes back to this notion of If your nose in your ears and your taste in your touch you know. These are just inputs right david. I mean it's a. I feel like one of the big takeaways. I have for your book. The big thing that. I'm really walking away from this is like it. Your brain doesn't really care how it gets those different inputs at the end of the day. It's just data and and that's a really profound sort of insight for me is to say that yes the way that humans typically receive sound is through our ears but in reality. There's no reason why your brain can't interpret the world around it through our skin. You know so so long as you have a means in which you can communicate that same thing. We see it in nature. Different animals used different sensors in order to capture. That so that for me is just been so interesting to think about in again in the year. Twenty twenty one. It's now feasible. That's another thing that i really took away from everything. Was you know it's kinda like you. You were drawn on all these examples from the fifties the sixties right where a lot of the limitation was like you have these gigantic helmets. That people are wearing and things like that where the technology just hasn't really caught up in. I think that. What's so exciting. Is that here we are in. You can pack in a new sensor that you can communicate an entire sense more or less to your brain through four hundred or less dollar fitbit. Were less the. That's exactly right. People who are doing this. Even in the seventies typically people are doing it for blindness. This is always been a very thin thread in neuroscience about sensory substitution. But it actually reaches back to the eighteen nineties. And and i actually didn't know that when i first started in many of the concepts that i was coming up with i thought were completely original but then i found this maybe from eighteen. Ninety guy was working. He stood up a little photo. Diode on someone's head on a blind person's head and turn that into sound in the ears. You know kind of worked but but the exactly as you said. The technology was so terrible and by the seventies you know people who are doing stuff that they had carry around the century a computer on their belt with them all the time. And so yeah. We've just now hit this point where we've got. This really sleek just the fact that we were able to build as a wristband with nothing else. I mean all often when refers showing this to people. And then it's also plugs into a jackie. Just said about how she wouldn't have believed until she saw it. And a lot of people i've noticed don't quite understand what it means or what it is just as one example. Sometimes we put this on. Somebody's wrist and what they'll do is they'll put their wrist up to their ear and they'll say oh. Am i supposed to be doing this. They'll say no. No no you just you just walk around with it and it's coming in through your skin. Yeah that's really interesting Because i think that that does speak to maybe the novelty of it. And i think that that is you know. It's obviously such a foreign concept because we all have the natural inclination to say that. Well if i'm deaf therefore i need to somehow stimulate the you know the the inner ear or something like that and so. I just think that it's such a different approach than what we've ever really seen before in this industry in in other than maybe the tactile hearing aids that used to exist i guess in a way. This is kind of like that. But it's again i. I think that it's really refreshing to have this neuroscience approach coming in where it's just coming at a different angle than i think is ever really been addressed before so far as i've seen that's right. He know what it is. We're right at this intersection. And i'm happy live in silicon valley especially because we're right at the intersection between neuroscience and technology and. We're actually doing several other things with the same hardware One of the things that we are finalizing right now and will release a product. Nearest future is something for high frequency hearing loss in particular. So it's when people just aren't hearing the higher frequencies and what happens is of course you guys know is it makes it hard understand conversation because particular phonemes particular parts of speech or just getting mixed or muddled and you can't quite discriminate them and so what we're doing a completely different algorithm more incentive capturing all sound were just listening in real time for teas s.'s. Fs vis vis time frequency phonemes. And then just signaling. When that's happening we have different signals on the skin and people can pretty quickly learn within a few days. get really good at understanding. What is the phone. Need being said so padded this call it a cross sensory boosting where your ear is doing most of the work all the low and middle frequency stuff and your risk is just taking care of the high frequency stuff and just clarifying for you. Oh that was a t- that was the and so we've been running tests on that and that's nuts been very cool and we're also doing different things also Which is something that. Kevin got us started on Some literature we started doing some testing with Tinnitus it turns out that there are some papers out of europe and michigan showing that when people have ringing in the ears if you do stimulation where you're playing tones for them and they're feeling something This can actually relieve some of the symptoms of tinnitus loudness and the versus and so And it's not one hundred percent but it lowers it and so the original papers on this. How this thing where they give you a shock on the tongue with elektra textile Paddle on the tongue and they had an argument for why they should work because they said it has to do with dorsal co clear nucleus. I'll skip the details. But that's where the that's where the auditory stream first confronts touch from the head and neck but we decided to try this with touch from the skin. Which would have nothing to do with the dorsal cochlear. Anyway the point is it works. It works exactly as well as it does with this shocking on the tongue. So we're running some big tests on that now and we'll be releasing that very soon as a as a program for managing tennis. Yeah i saw that. And i think that the what was that linear Are the near yup So yeah i was reading that in this idea of like by modal stimulation and how that might be a good solution and the other thing i thought about that too is like it didn't seem quite feasible. That people would walk around with like tongue zappers on and so when you have again. It's the feasibility of all this right. And that's what i like about. Your approach is that it speaks beyond just tinnitus application to the tri modal. You know Augmented ability in which to hear the sound around. You as you're not asking a lot like the onus isn't a whole lot whether it's the price point were it's the day to day wear of the device. It's it's the behavior change more or less that you're demanding on the user isn't a whole lot and that's part of why i think this is so compelling to is that you know the the notion that in order to maybe in dramatically in some cases Hear the world around you in augment your world All you have to do is wear a fitbit type. Device is isn't asking a whole lot. That's exactly i gotta tell you. I spend my whole careers in academic until. I spun off this company five years and i've learned so much and that has been one of them is about really understanding product market fit. And i have to say. I run into fellow academics. All the time who say well wait. You have a higher density of touch reception on your fingers. So why. don't you build a glove for people to wear instead of wristband and you know what that's terrible once for a glove. We've actually done research on this. Nobody wants to stick stuff in their mouths to wear on their tongues and so on so there has to be this combination between the the academic knowledge and the product market fit knowledge. I'll just jump in there dave. So david to your point. I mean and as an audiologist. I'll just say you know. I'm just using my own. Mount example is that it's hard for most of us to think beyond the ears In a sense of like that you really could get that much a benefit from a completely different sense. But it's actually improving our ability to hear and decipher sound. I mean it's it's pretty incredible and most audiologist. When i've actually had the opportunity to really explain how this works they get it Once they understand it and it makes sense and it clicks and then when you have patients they can use it. And they like to jackie's points of example. She's talked about with their daughter. I mean it it just it. It makes a lot of intuitive sense. But on the face of it you think about this things just going to buzz with the just gonna vibrate on my wrist. What's i can do but but when you start realizing the nuances here and the fact that you know in the case of the buzz. That is actually stimulating. Different points on the wrist. And that's responding to course plenty of specific frequencies then it starts to make a little more sense as an audiologist. We often in terms of most of us. Not all of us most of us think in terms of like okay. Well this person hearing loss i can. I can utilize these frequencies to program for that loss to accommodate their hearing issue. And then when. I think ok well not only could i get a hearing aid then. Maybe this person needs a remote microphone because they have signal noise problems. Well i think of this me. Personally i think of this like a remote microphone. But it's it's just a different is a different type of assistive device. So i i like to think of those terms the same kind of people or the same type of patients rather that needs a remote microphone could probably benefit from the buzz. Almost certainly could benefit from the buzz. So you know so. It's it's it's just we gotta get out of the box so to speak. You gotta get the boots. We got to think a little differently so But anyway so. That's kind of my two cents. Here is that i think is just. We're so familiar with our We're so familiar with what we're doing on a day-to-day basis. It's it's a little. Sometimes it's just we gotta we gotta kinda. I'm looking at it from another another perspective and to davis point. It's like the brain is an amazing thing. I tell patients is every single day. Our brain is such an amazing thing that it is adapting to your hearing loss over time. And that's why when you have here and as all of a sudden you're hearing all these sounds it sounds so different in maybe they don't like it will hate the brain. Just take a little time. It's going to get used to that new implication. Same thing with with the if we use that same concept your brain is going to adapt and this is gonna be a complement to whatever you're doing right now so i think we have to think of it in those terms is not is not this or that. It's a complement to existing tech. And it's in it not only for safety but speech discrim. I mean it's pretty pretty incredible really for like set a a cost effective device. It's a lot cheaper than remote. Mike but at that we do we have. Do we have a special guest. We do have a special guest. J just got finished with her speech. You wanna say hello. Hello hello jade. I hear edited. Where the buzz do you like it. Do you like the buzz. Yes she does One of the things. I was gonna toss in. I'm finding that being apparent versus being clinician. While i really thought i knew a whole lot about hearing loss and i knew nothing but my husband is a musician and so He's tried to work with jade. But you know it's like even with like speech you know. I don't know if you guys follow any of dr nina krause's stuff but You know music for the brain. So so he's he's teaching her the drums because we figured you know she bang on drums. And we're using the watch for timing. My husband is like you know what's in its there. I think that if we have some really creative people out there you're gonna find that There are many different ways to use this thing and Sky's the limit. Just jade maybe a musician. Well that's actually. That's a perfect way to kind of bring us home here. So i guess kind of as we wrap david. I'm curious like i've heard you talk about the envelope. And i've heard you talk about sensory edition and all that and it's super fascinating and i'm curious like feel like you're just kind of scratching the surface here with the buzz in in in your work. In general i mean. I think it's really cool. That in the short amount of time that i've been familiar with the buzz that you're already looking at it as maybe this is a good solution for tinnitus. And i just learned just now about the whole frequency range In targeting the higher frequencies but is this are. Do you feel as if there's just you're just kind of scratching the surface. Oh yeah i mean the truth is we have twenty projects that are way in in the lab in the rnd section of the lab. Because we're doing things for blindness doing things for balance we're doing things for prosthetic legs and then we've got things that are far wackier than that In fact we just had our second developer contest. Sensory where we ask developers from all over the world to come up with stuff. We had one hundred ninety six centuries on our last contest and people are doing things. About sensing where there's electrical fields are sensing the The carbon dioxide in the room. Which tells you about the rooms ventilation which serves as a proxy for how likely are to get covid in that room ow or taking up on the emotion of the speaker that you're talking with and this is for children with autism who understand the meaning of words but can't at all read the emotion of the person or the angrier. They happy are they being sarcastic or this. And so the the wristwatch. The the buzz does You know those calculations and then buzzes to tell the user what the speaker is feeling and there's just a million things that we're working on but they all fall under the umbrella of. Hey what kind of information can we passed the brain via the channels via the skin. The skin is like this giant. It's our it's our largest organism and it's almost entirely untapped. The skin is in the skin. Isn't well anyway. This has been a fantastic conversation David i think i speak for the three of us. Speak for the whole industry. Were really happy that you're you're here in that you're building these really really cool things It's just so refreshing to see these new approaches and I'm really excited to to see where the buzz goes in how it continues to evolve in that. It's gonna be great to hear from people like jackie that have a loved one. That are you know. That's actually using it and seen a lot of value from it and hearing from kevin about you know. How is the industry receiving this and I do think that in time this is going to become just an awesome another tool that Professionals can add to their tool bet tool belt in help to set themselves apart so this has been an amazing conversation. I really really enjoyed this conversation Thanks everybody has just been a real treat. Thanks a lot of thanks. Dave alright awesome. Thanks everybody who tuned in here to the end and we will chat with you. Next time cheers. Thanks for tuning in today. I hope you enjoyed this episode of future ear radio for more content like this just head over to future ear dot com where you can read all the articles that i've been writing these past few years on the world's of voice technology and the two are beginning to intersect intersect. Thanks for tuning in. And i'll chat with you next time.

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What Does Dak Prescotts Contract Mean for the NFL?

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What Does Dak Prescotts Contract Mean for the NFL?

"Mike and jesse talk about sports. The sports cards market and how to make money with this hobby on sports cards nonsense. They'll let me know who should be buying. And selling and give you the occasional fantasy football advice checkout sports cards nonsense on spotify. or wherever. You get your podcasts It is the runaround. I felt show partner. Podcast now dak prescott extension edition nor prince danny hyphen this year. You know what special because kyle is engineering and producing it that so you know it's big-time Nor what's going on not much. Just just go in between a lot of taylor swift talk and the dallas cowboys who were kinda make incense two thousand seven my brain to very famous. Thanks two things that we generally like here at the Taylor swift dak prescott to two very talented. Thanks we will end that particular comparison right now. bul say that the dallas cowboys ended or national nightmare. We have talked about this contract specifically for over three years It ends today tonight Four years hundred and sixty million dollars. Danny hyphens your first thought. Upon hearing this extension it came down while my wife and i were having birthday dinner for her Joins the andrew luck retirement dinner. That if i also had as far as hbd emily yup and but anyway When you first heard extension news. Danny you thought what one day before franchise tag deadline. I thought it's like welling. it's. I'm not overwhelmed or not. Underwhelmed i'm wellness. It's we've known this was coming. And yeah okay. So were you welcomed by the numbers. Or were you well-made by the fact that it happened. Because i thought it was. It was absolutely in play that there'd be a tag again. It'd be thirty eight million dollars and we could just see this this role over now. There's a couple of provisions here. They're really important number. One is that for one hundred twenty. Six million dollars guaranteed. Which is i believe. Fourteen million dollars. More than two shawn watson who got a similar deal last year the other part of it is. It's four years which is short. The cowboys wanted to get five but since that was last year they effectively got bob years of control. But there's a notre Trade 'cause and no tag klaus and the no tag causes super important because the whole thing was dak prescott. Betting on yourself is that he wants to reach actual free agency. Absolute free agency like kirk. Cousins did three years ago. And he's going to do that unless the cowboys make him an insane offer three or chanel which by the way will happen when one hundred percent increase in the tv deals Nor what we think. Can i just make an attempt to properly wellm. Danny hi fits here have you. I'm still by danny's take care. Well yeah i am too. I wanna i wanna up the wellm factor all right so dak prescott. He's going to be twenty eight and july when this deal is up effectively up to void years. We don't need to think about them. It's four year deal. He will be thirty one years old. He's making forty million dollars a year in annual value on this deal. He and patrick mahomes are the two quarterbacks who are in the in the forties bahamas forty five when deck hits free agency. Mahomes will have eight years left on his deal. There is a solid likelihood that dak prescott could out earn. Patrick mahomes over. The course of his career does that properly. Will you know. honestly. I was ice cream pie. Here's the thing blase. Here's one nothing. Fazes me nothing matters. We're all just dust in the wind. So here's the thing. The franchise tag for was thirty. Eight million dollars so if he did nothing. He didn't come to the negotiations. He didn't log on zoom. He was gonna get thirty. Eight billion dollars so i understand some big number one sixty over four but thirty eight million annually was the floor in these negotiations. It was not going to ever get of thirty eight. So if you've been paying attention to the franchise tag which is like the least interesting thing. You can pay attention to. I understand why you could get the push notifications for years forty million dollars annually. It seems like a lot. But if you've been following the franchise tag it was always gonna be like one hundred and fifty five million dollars over about four years so the number itself wasn't exactly surprising. I think it's crazy as you said that. He's getting way more money than mahomes in the first three years. Way more money than a lot of quarterbacks but that's just the nature of the cowboys kind of bungled this whole negotiation. And it's kind of like my honest. Thought when i first saw this was like a tv show. Has its finale. And you forgot it was on the air and you like how i guess that's over. I didn't even know it was. It's that's kind of how i felt. It's just all right. I guess this is over. Now i got about living and dying by every dak prescott like contract up and down for the last three years. I've been watching. This show is how i feel. Maybe that's why i feel properly. It's not gonna leave. They're not gonna get away from the zombies. He was never gonna cowboys. So you thought there was no chance dak prescott was gonna find for agency. Just wait this whole thing out. I guess not this year. I mean i don't think any carbon come right. But i'm just saying i. I thought i thought there was at least a slim chance a slim chance that they would dock would just keep betting on himself as we talked about play. Thirty eight million dollars by the way the cap at this year's twenty two million dollars as our buddy david. Helen pointed out Carson wentz is counting more against the eagles cap. This year. dan dak prescott will count against cowboys. Cap that's amaze. I'll be a lesson and break but overwhelmingly. I thought that there was some sliver of a chance to the cowboys would bungle this and the dak prescott would be playing somewhere else and in two years or whatever it was i really do. Think that the the allure of the open market with something that appealed to him. And so i guess the we come from this from different sides. Danny because you think that there there is no chance who's ever had anything but a dallas cowboy. Well the injury also. The injury was arrested this so i was showing ankle. Injury was awful. And so. I guess i shouldn't be so blase historic would say was. I don't know i didn't think he's gonna leave. Jerry kip saying he was going to be a cowboy. And i believe jerry. I dunno. It was this this year. This gets this gets at what my question was going to be. What dallas cowboys organization. Have you been watching. Do business over the last however many years like you didn't think they were capable of some crazy shit. That was what beyond the number and beyond just going okay. Big picture dak really bet on himself here and did well doing not my other big takeaway was you know what maybe dat got what he wanted out of that. A little more than the cowboys got exactly what they wanted. In terms of the structure of the contract and five years versus foreign. Whatever but the cowboys just did a thing. That makes a lot of rational sense with and not. If you consider the past three years we had to go however our many rounds with this but right now the cowboys just did a thing. That makes a lot of rational sense without a lot of fanfare or back and forth Which feels like a breakthrough like someone. There is drinking water and getting rask and making smart decisions for their lives. And i commend them for it. Yes and i want to talk briefly about one thing. I've heard going around the past couple of days. And i think the dak prescott discourse gotten a little bit off track and is this whole thing of you. Don't pay to shawn watson. Patrick mahomes money for dak prescott. Because he's not on that level We're going to debate that. In a second but i also i just want to say that's not the conversation. The conversation is leverage and he was going to be paid like that because he got himself in a position to be paid like that. If he kept playing on the tag he would make that much money he would make her on forty eight forty million dollars because it's thirty eight this year and then beyond that once he obviously gets closer closer agency. That's the number he's going off and so eight doesn't matter i. It's trivia question basically or a debate question whether or not. He's as good as as desha watson or patrick mahomes. He's going to be paid like it because he position himself like that. And so i thought the last couple of weeks. There's been a lot of people saying. Oh the cowboys should just go to draft or let it rai trade him or whatever Maybe but i just. I think that's a huge risk and i think that that's the cost of doing business right now. And we've seen that a million times. I remember that. Summer were derek carr and matthew stafford and whomever three quarterbacks were paid who immediately became the highest paid quarterback and football. That's how this works. Don't ever try to make sense of this. Don't ever try to make sense. It doesn't there's there's no law that says the best quarterbacks to be the highest paid quarterback and what we're seeing now actually when you look at it whether that's patrick. Homes shawn watson and dak prescott than i believe the fourth highest paid by annual average average annual. Values russell wilson. It's actually a pretty reflective list. Because those are some really good quarterbacks. That hasn't happened a lot of the time that the four top quarterbacks by money in this league are paid are paid the most That doesn't happen a lot. And so actually. We're in a pretty good place as far as that goes nor take it away from just the salary and consider widening the frame of what. The cowboys have gone through in their history with their quarterbacks right so between aikman and romo they're grasping at straws. They're trying to figure stuff out. Romo is undrafted and then they get to dak. Who's a fourth round pick. The what does that tell you that tells you that. There's a lot of randomness associated with finding these guys. And it also tells you that you can have these periods where you're really struggling to find the guy and if i phoned in to jerry jones yacht and said hey buddy forty million bucks. You don't have to do that again. i'm pretty sure. I know what he would say. Sign me up. what would he say. Yeah i think he would say sign me up. Let's and i cannot do the accent. I'm not going to keep talking about taylor. But coherence where i attempted. Assault on the. I pod and i was told expressly never to do that again so i'm not gonna do it but i think that is a pretty clear decision. Now bats framing it without all the while we can just go year we can tag. We can do the injury and that's when i think sometimes bad decisions but here they didn't let any of that get in the way of making a good one. Which even if it's a little like this contract is is more what dak would've wanted if he'd drawn up dream deal then what the cowboys have right. And there's an important point on that that i wanted to make it clear. Which is that. So he can't he he's not going to play on the franchise tag with technically he's going tagged as a formality which means that he will be unable to be tagged because of the no tag klaus at the end of this deal but going forward because they will have put the tag on him any subsequent tag after the end of that deal that has the no tag klaus. He would have to be paid forty four percent more wrote of his previous annual salary. So it's not just that he can't be tagged at the end of this deal. It's that practically speaking. It's going to be really hard to put the franchise tag on dak prescott for any team ever again. We know that because of the drew brees situation because san diego had tagged tama than Drew brees and his contract led to the craziest caps that situation in the history of football That is still remains to this day. And with our good friends. New orleans saints danny heights. Let's talk about the cowboys from a team perspective. So again the twenty million dollar cap number for this year is manageable. It's as much or slightly a little bit higher than amari. Cooper is making Ezekiel elliott. i think is thirteen this year. And don't have in front of me This is a team with a lot of highly paid players. But it's a team that on paper has a lot of talent and there's huge questions but the defense but we know the weapons Zeke elliott is not one of those weapons. I'm sorry to say But cooper ceedee. Lamb michael gallup You know the offensive line will be healthier than it was last year. Dak prescott on this team settled in knowing what we know now about what he'll be paid and and sort of have it all works you think what about the cowboys in two thousand twenty one. I mean they have to win super bowl in the next two or three years. I think that's right. They sign this contract. No not like they're going to. But that's what i gotcha like new. I i guess. But i don't do what's what's gonna happen if they don't one. So here's terry backs so jerry. Jones do combines ago said that this was an unlike paraphrasing but he said this is my thirtieth combine it. I don't have thirty more all. I wanted this point in my life. Other than health of the people i love. I want to super bowl more than i want. Another billion dollars. I think that this is why he signed back. And i do think it's not just the forty million dollars. I think he signed because he really genuinely believes. This is a super bowl core. And that he doesn't have time for to find some quarterback in the draft with a top ten. Pick or trade up and hope that it's the right quarterback as nora said they believe in deck. He saying the whole time they're gonna extend back and so he brought back back because he really believes in this core but to your point kevin. I think that there's real concerns because this is a top heavy roster. They've got this offensive line. Which is kind of getting creaky. Zack martin tyron smith or older male collins. Really good but you know. Hip injury in mid twenties is an awesome and then the defense pretty barren. It's pretty crazy. How a lot of this is. This team is thinned out and a lot of ways. It's the inverse of what that came in with. He came in with elite offensive line and terrible skill players. Just you now. He's got great skill players and it declining offensive line and then the defense is kind of non existent. So you know. You're going to have issues like they might have replaced woozy. Cornerback like they've got Default dixon's brother at cornerback but they just need secondary help which is in great in the modern. Nfl they don't really have a great pass. Rush even though the pay demarcus lawrence. That's not awesome. They have a lot of hope. It is harold defense david terrible. And i i'm withholding judgement without dan. Quinn defensive coordinator can solve that mike. No one is as bad as it gets mike mccarthy general. I don't think berkeley good coach. I had high hopes for them last year and as soon as i saw them play. I didn't have hopes for them. Which is kind of a bad sign. I'm gonna ask you both either. A lot of hands will defend their team. It'd be like you know you're talking about this team's cowboys. Fans were very quick. Team doesn't have it all right so let me ask you both very quickly before we get delve into other things the ceiling or the. Let's say the best way over the next four years of his contract for the cowboys is what like a. Give me the year and give me the round of the playoffs. They get to over the next four years. I'll start with you nor prince yati two years from now. Nfc championship game. Danny heights lose the nfc championship game to the packers. And then mike mccarthy's fired this year. Yeah okay i'll maybe. Two years is the funniest outcome. Do you both think that that the cowboys the best division this year nor i hate that division. It's so we i hate. I hate it evasion to at best quarter. You've got the moves in the nfc championship game. Aaron rodgers oh you got. The team. Ranked both them healing. No i just it. Just give me give me what happens next four years. Okay wait so let's go back to the division. Can i answer that all early though. I ended up working. Nfc jets go. I hate the nfc east. But yes. I think God i'm going to regret this. Yeah with a healthy dak all year. yes i think. They are the most trustworthy team in the division for next year. If i knew washington's quarterback situation then maybe it would be different. But yes. i think that's right. I knew we had the most knowns about them. Well yeah but they have. They have the quarterback they have the ability to have a really good passing offense. Which is still if you can only have one thing and you don't wanna just have one thing but if you can only have one thing that's what you want. I think washington wins the division this year because that defensive line is unbelievable even if they get rid of ryan kerrigan you've got four first rounders. It's like the san francisco forty niners from a couple of years ago. Obviously call shannon. It's not the head coach. But i really believe in the talent that washington has collected. And even with taylor heineke maybe they. They go ahead and six. But any quarterback upgrade their auto favorite. The cowboys was on the pace to shatter peyton. Manning's single season passing yardage record before he got hurt. I mean by like thousand yards and the crazy thing is they were still losing. And i think that there's a chance that that can put up. These herculean passing heard records but unless the defense gets better they don't actually have a chance to contend another pay a quarter of their budgets and twenty two million but on average. We'll see if they can actually build a contender but they have a lot of holes now. I will say twenty. Two million dollars as the cap starts to spike that is that is affordable and that is well within the range of team they can actually end up spending What is just from timbo standpoint. What is pretty reasonable For quote unquote big money quarterback. Especially when and we'll just a second The other quarterbacks come deal I'm of the theory all hypotheticals again. Because we don't know who's gonna play quarterback washington we don't know the situation philadelphia at all The giants danny. Hi fits can you give me any insight and the the giants are gonna be good in two thousand twenty one. They extended jason garrett cowboys. Mike mccarthy i'm just gonna say jason garrett daniel jones returning you make of that what you wish. All right dak prescott. So let's get into to wear dak. Prescott is in the hierarchy of quarterbacks and you know. I think there are a lot of it has to do with. I don't want to do the tears debate right now. We can do that another day but a lot of seo with how big the tier. I don't think he's on the watson mahomes level but i don't think he's these that far off I think he is a top ten quarterback. Who's who has a good case to be a top five quarterback on his best day Nor you rank dak prescott where on the hierarchy of nfl quarterback right now. He's second tier. He's not mahomes. Watson wilson pending on the day. What russell wilson rodgers aaron rodgers. but he's. He's in the next group. So what you're saying Josh allen also second. Here's what you're saying. Because i didn't hear the name. I hate what you're doing now. So mean i hear the name. I know. i don't group josh allen with with those four quarterbacks but i would put him in the next group I generally agree with that. Yes i know. I know i know okay. Know the real. I was going to have a little. I'm going to ask danny. I was having fun. Because we're going to talk about josh allen. What he's worth in a second here. danny same question dak prescott kind of in that six seven eighths best quarterback nfl tier for you as well. I think so. I think the tier. It's kind of like basketball right. I think bill and his pot rank the other day guys who you want to have the ball with the last shot on the line. Who's going to get a bucket. And i think the top tier quarterbacks for i mean two grossly oversimplified is guys if they need a touchdown to win the game. You expect it to happen. Mahomes brady. It's aaron rodgers. Like you think they're going to do it. And the next year is guys who you believe can do it. And like you've seen it but it's not like a certainty so i think that dak we've seen act takeover games and be elite. But he's not that once you can do it. It's just a matter of how often you do. And how consistent you are so. I don't think he's quite as consistent with the comeback. Like sean is but we've certainly seen him in primetime. I'm thinking that vikings game sunday night football thing from a year or two ago. We're just really impressive. So i think that it's around tennis. It's just a matter of how often you hit the level. But he's at. He has show that he can be as good as anyone engaged. Yeah dak prescott can make a team significantly better than than it should be. And that's the mark for me of a great quarterback. Dak prescott is a great quarterback is that he can make a team better than the sum of its parts outside of the quarterback position and that there are like maybe seven guys who can do that. He's warning and so. That's an ace one hundred percent and that's why to me is worth forty million. That's understand the realities of his whole thing. This was always. This was inevitable. And i know danny you were welcomed by this but i was. I was surprised the cowboys a day before they they would have gone to the tag that serve as a formality. They will tag them. But i was surprised that that it got done with sort of a press release and it wasn't dramatic That that surprised me. And it's good business by the cowboys. Busy but by dak prescott and in in three or four years. Dak prescott can make ungodly sums of money now last night. What does this mean for lamar jackson. What is in for josh allen What is mean for every quarterback going forward There is a floor here. And i think that the big question over the past couple of months was is mahomes an outlier and obviously no one's gonna get five hundred million dollars but is the fact he's gonna touch fifty or go over fifty some of the years later on his contract. Obviously does that set a price point to where there's a kind of a rising tide lifts all boats things where all of a sudden watson makes little more all of a sudden Per prescott makes more josh. Allen makes more lamar. Jackson makes lamar. And i think that we saw maybe that was true on the low end where instead of making thirty nine or making forty nine maybe had a two million dollar different. Something like that But obviously it's going to be a really really long time Until somebody makes fifty might be until dak prescott reaches free agency for years Nor you've done a lot of reporting on josh allen. You know that franchise josh allen who is due for an extension. What happens if the question is. Does he get to forty million a year. I don't think so. Because i think the context of the tag for doc is essential but i do think that we are going to be inching quote. Close to be age of the forty million dollars a year you know upper echelon but not necessarily top top top top hot two or three quarterback that how it went from thirty to forty so quickly in ryan gang matt ryan hit thirty like two and a half years ago and i remember when Who was it. it was garoppolo. And derek carr who in pretty quick succession and they were getting like what like twenty six point. Five twenty twenty eight something like that and it was like whoa there. We go some record. Setting quarterback deals feels like it was freaking yesterday. Here the quarterbacks you're making twenty five million dollars a year more guy at start at twenty fox derek carr matthew stafford jimmy garoppolo ryan tannehill matt. Ryan carson wentz kirk cousins. jared goff. Okay that's we just went from five million to thirty three okay and now goff goffin. Rogers have the same exact average annual value I i just reading that sentence. Give me a migraine And then above. That is wilson watson prescott. Moms this once you get under rodgers. That list is a nightmare. An i you can argue. Individual adding stafford's really quarterback matt ryan can be moving quarterback tanna hills worth over twenty hours. All that stuff but i'm just saying we're we're in agreement. This is again it just it makes no sense but the fact that it went from thirty the threshold. One from thirty million to our quarterbacks existing to forty nine dollars so quickly just speaks to the hell. Could this working chase quite frankly. And you know we should just add as an addendum to that this. This whole situation makes me feel like we're pretty close to getting some news about tv. Contracts which look like we kind of know the parameters of what we're gonna air but we'll jolly we know that it's going to be a lot but we're gonna see a number pretty soon i think and it's gonna contextualized what's going on with some of this and it's also going to contextualized some of the cowboys decision making here. But danny i cut you off. Or he's saying you had a question of question for you kevin. I saw one hand. We're talking about age of the forty million dollar quarterback and how it just from thirty million annually for quarterbacks do our at forty fears go to fifty and on the other hand peter schrager went on. Sylla's podcast this week and said that the middle class of free agents are about middle class of veterans are going to get a bloodbath guy's gonna get one year deals and there's going to be a real changing of it. I mean income and there's going to be a real change in the structure of the holy can players go And so do you think in some ways. We're talking about money at the top people in the middle and bottom getting screwed is this reminds me honestly if a year ago when unemployment was spiking and then the stock market was at an all time. High is this just a mirror in the pandemic. the salary cap just delayed part of the economy from last year. yes Wife and i are going to new york where he stay there for for a little bit on thursday and we're looking at real estate and i was I was reading articles of the day about about what's come back. And what hasn't and they were saying that the apartments that came back almost instantly were like the twenty million dollar apartments. Twenty five stuff that that were were looking for the twenty to twenty five. yeah apartment. Yeah no but kevin dave zillow. Yeah just a bunch of just sort sort from high to low and just let it rip But i know. But i was reading that and basically i was you. You're what you're saying to them. Think about that where it's just like it does at some point. It just doesn't matter because it's it's the cost doing business and it's it's people who i mean. These teams were screwed without right. And so you can see. You can try and play hardball with dak prescott. But it doesn't matter because the cowboys have money to spend dak prescott knows you have the money to spend and it doesn't players or knocking and take less the cowboys a couple of years ago. That weird thing bob. Sturm came on a couple of months ago. And we talked about on this podcast with the cowboys for like two days. Were like dak. You should take less because being the quarterback of the cowboys comes a lot of endorsements. And it's like well cool hill. He can take the endorsements and he can also make forty million dollars on top of it like what about that instead of taking five million dollars less And so i think that there. There's just no i mean this was this was if you're dak prescott now or allen or your lamar jackson you are that top of the line Big ticket there's no there's no discounts those guys that that's what i'm saying. There are no discounts with a top of the line quarterback right now and it doesn't matter and there will be no pay cuts will be no hometown discounts. Nothing matters that the price is the price for league quarterback. They deserve it. Mahomes deserves it watson reserves and all those guys and it doesn't matter you know carlos dunlap got released today like that sucks but like the carlos dunlap negotiation for his. Next team has nothing to do with how they're going. Pay the quarterback. The quarterback price is separate from almost everything in football Like i've i've heard some times. This is just crazy. But you know. I sometimes gm's or whomever ari civilians joke with meal and say like the quarterback of a separate salary cap like we should just pay. It's almost like this is what they say at the. Mls has the beckham rule. Where essentially there's a. I don't know what it is is three three players and the less people can let me know about this This three players who count outside the salary cap And yet that's how they bring in. You know your your elite. European kind of frank lampard pillow stephen girard type players who've been through in the last decade. And it's like i think sometimes. Gm's wish it was like that where you could just pay matt ryan thirty million dollars and then but then you also give a bunch of money defensive of your offensive line and team build our because it sucks so much oxygen out of the room when you do have to pay that quarterback but at the end of the day. You'd rather have that quarterback than not like not having a quarterback is what gets fired And so that's the the there's no other position like that and to danny's point the answer your questions. Yes it is pleasing. The other players on the roster. Because here's what's happening forking over forty million dollars in in average annual value on a contract. That's fine for quarterback doc prescott. That's genuinely fine. But within the current macroeconomics of the nfl. And that's been exacerbated by the cap going down when everybody assumed it was going to go up because of the pandemic but under the current structure. What happens is that the number is fine. But you do all sorts of things when you need to like add the void years to push everything into a window and the windows getting shorter and what's happening. Is that when you get to the end of it and all those bills are coming to that. You've pushed off off off. Its tanking is becoming a financial act less so than it is accruing draft picks because basically what's is that you're pushing all of that financial pain in two short periods of time and those short periods of time really stink for the carlos dunlap's of the world and for that middle class because they're the ones that get let go and who especially this year have to fight it out when there's less money to go around decide if you know maybe they are making five million dollars a year before to. They want to put their body through another. Nfl season if they're going to be making basically the veteran minimum if that's all that's out there for them or do they think differently about a long term versus short term deal. Whatever those are the decisions that are being put on the sort of veteran middle class of the nfl wall. Teams are extending themselves for quarterbacks which they need to do but fitting those under the salary cap. I doing all of this maneuvering so the answer to your question is yes and it just has to do with how the salary cap heads are structured. It's not about paying dak prescott forty million a year. But it's just about what you have to do to make that work. I will say that. The reason i answered danny's question with the because he asked me to compare it to covert unemployment just incredible. He checked by him. Obviously the it's like everything else. The people at the top are doing great and that everyone below has gotta getting screwed. I think that's i like kevin just sort of paint in watercolour over that and then was like okay now. I can talk that. We've cleared the space on that. Yeah now we can talk now. I can just do twenty minutes on covert unemployment. Was it's it's it's potato. that's the we didn't Will only thing. We flicked at that. We didn't talk about was lamar jackson's contract. Anyway it's what happens next are you. What do you want like my really boring answer. Think that this board by all quarterback contracts keep saying no not all this one because you said before it's inevitable and i think that's what i don't think this dot contract has any bearing on any of the other deals. I think the last five six deals that were signed did have an impact. I think this one is as close to irrelevant as a huge deal can be because the circumstances are ludicrous. In how separatists from other lamar jackson's gonna get franchise tag dak prescott again was gonna get thirty eight million if he got the second tag and i was gonna get like fifty four million if he got tagged a third time the fact that that was even possible. This just reaffirms like the kirk cousins situation. Don't let your quarterback approach free agency. That's really stupid. And this is just a weird confluence of events where. It's like the cowboys. Were both somehow. Let dak approach it. Because they let this be meander on even though that they were jerry. Jones was publicly saying dak will be the quarterback and we will extend him. That's just probably not going to happen for other franchises. So all this even jerry. Jones admitted publicly two months ago. Doc had all the leverage. That's just not how these go. It's not. I was going to go with lamar in baltimore. It's not going to be how it goes with josh allen buffalo the teams of the leverage the whole systems built to the teams that the leverage the cowboys. Ironically even though jerry jones is like the most powerful owner somehow squandered the leverage unless that happens with someone else. I don't think that this situation is applicable to other ones kevin. We finally got worked up. We got overwhelm us now. He's now he's overwhelmed. Your guy really welcomed. Danny hypothesis was a joy. Fleischer you got me. I got you i got. You wound up Nor prince yati so danny. If it's going to have a column up about this is already up any now. It'll be a hopefully go through the process. You know. I love it Nor prince yati We're going to be back on a pilot of this week. You also have a little taylor swift's project going on here when tell people about that It's called every single. Album taylor swift. Its newest podcast from the ringer. It is really a labor of love Between myself and ran contributor nathan hubbard Who i actually don't know in real life. We've never met each other in person but for the last year. We've sort of been texting each other about taylor swift's nonstop and we've turned that into a podcast where we dissect every album of her career and we dropped the first one Late sunday night. Monday morning about her debut album. We're gonna go mondays and thursdays. Up until april ninth. Which is when she's expected to rerelease the first of her old masters which she's been undertaking the process of re recording Which is a really cool intersection of music business. The business of the music industry just musicality in general and then a really interesting celebrity career. So it's going to be a superfund run Absolutely loved working on it and still working on it and it's on the wringer dish feed so people wanna listen go. There hyphen says re recording all his own dynasty podcasts. Yeah we're recording. Actually going to be on this feed on friday danny kelly for the big board recording. That's correct. Were you just record whatever warren. Sharps coming on this week. By the way is he going to be more wellm than i was pretty. Well all right guys. There's been renaissance show and render podcasts.

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"Hey It's Kelly. Welcome to the Ringer podcast network. We hope the ringer can provide you. Entertainment and companionship. During this time so as always feel free to check out during your dot com. But we're still covering the latest in Sports Pop Culture. Tech and media and the ringers. Youtube channel can provide endless amounts of entertainment. You can find that at Youtube. Dot Com slash. Welcome to the ringer NBA show. I'm Chris Vernon Jordan as he does every Tuesday from the ringer. Dot Com is. Kevin O'Connor Kevin Obamacare Kevin O. Camera Kevin O. Climber Concert Kevin O. Conflict Kevin. Oh Candy. Land Kevin O. Trubisky Ken how you thought of you. You know you start thinking about the people you care about in these times Kevin and this morning I wake up to Adam schefters report on Tom. Brady's instagram and my mind immediately went to you and bill and Kyle and so many that are part of the ringer family. That suffered the as if we haven't been through enough. The utter devastation of Tom. Brady's instagram post saying that his career will continue elsewhere. How are you holding up? I'm doing okay I wrote this on the Ringer. The other day we wrote about like our favorite. Tom Brady nations. And of course I selected the New England Patriots. However in there I did mention the fact that right now at this point of my football you know life I feel like I am more a Tom Brady Belichick fan than I am a patriots fan because when you have something in your life since you're eleven years old I was. I was only a little boy when the Patriots won their first bowl and I had that in my life from when I was eleven through now I turn thirty later this year and watching merely or nearly every single patriots game with my dad over those years. I think we missed maybe one because of a family event. That's it's very rare that you have something in your life anything in your life from eleven years old twenty nine years old or at that span of time when you're little kid too when you're an adult and it's a very unusual feeling to know that that's over whether he retires or whether he goes plays for the bucks Sir or the chargers or if he goes the XFL whatever's next. I don't know but the fact that it's over is a weird feeling But more than anything else at this point you know it sucks that. He's not returning for whatever reason that may be and there's mixed reports on that The more than anything else I. I hope that he is somebody who has brought so much joy to my life and created some of the happiest memories that I'll ever have sitting down and watching games with my dad I hope that he does. What makes him happy than that? And if that's pursuing more super bowls. Great if that's going to a new place to set himself up for after his career great but after all these years. I feel that more than anything else about the loss of a of a great quarterback on my favorite team Saw more than anything else. This morning I feel I feel thankful for all the memories watching him play. And that's something I know. Anybody can relate to that through for an athlete when they were kid or whatever ager at So I just feel thankful for memories and I'm just going to have them for the rest of my life. Yeah well it's really going to hit when you see him in another jersey. If this is the first time you probably really been through it. I guess maybe like Paul Pierce Right. You had to see him in a different Jersey You know after after all the memories that somebody like that created. I think about I think about somebody like even Nomar Garciaparra. I think about somebody like that but I am sure it will hit differently. Because it's Tom Brady. It's the goat thing but but really like I for the Patriots. I feel like I've been mentally prepared for this last fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen years because this has been Bella Csak in what he's always done it. He has always like oh players before they fall off the cliff whether it was lawyer Malloy back in two thousand three trading Richard Seymour to the Oakland raiders trading. Whoever it might be so many guys have been dealt before fans were ready to let go and it usually is the right decision and not to mention Tom. Brady's father himself has always said that he knows it's going to end badly with the Patriots that he said that for many years now And I believe him I mean I I. I believe them and in some ways. It's it's shocking. That's actually gonNA happen and seeing him in a different uniform. If he does choose to play will be weird. And that's when it's going to seem more real than ever as you said but I in some ways this is sort of been the way things have always been as a patriots fan It's always been about letting go of your favorite players guys who can to contribute to winning So in some ways as a fan strictly fan. I look forward to seeing. What's going to happen? Like with they make a trade for quarterback Cam Newton is available. Maybe I know this is just broken while we are recording this that Cam Newton is working with the Carolina. Panthers seeking a trade. How unbelievable would that be? It would be an also I want to take off my fan hat for a second haired putting him. I put on my analyst hat when you look at the Patriots and what they've done this off season who they lost losing Jamie Collins. Kyle Vanoy the defenses weaker. The offense has not gotten stronger. I can't imagine Tom Brady. Who wants to win? More Super Bowls looks at his crappy receiving core who looks at Matt. Lacoste being his best tight end and he thinks Is this the place that gives me the best opportunity to win? I would imagine he's really looking at other situations across football league. Tampa Bay and their high powered offense and he's thinking to himself. I have a better opportunity to win more here. I'm sure that's an element of it here for Tom. Brady because co according to Stephen a Smith on ESPN this morning. Robert Kraft called him on during the break and said if Tom Brady wanted. This is her return. We would have made that happen. And I'm sure the Patriots have their side of the story as Brady would have his side to the story but it's undeniable looking at the Patriots roster that there may be better situations out there for him to win. Games and that. I'm sure was a big part of his choice and moving on. Well let me say a couple of things. I I will relate this back to basketball for. Was it just so happens for the first time in my life. I was around Cam Newton about nine to two and a half weeks ago He was in attendance for the Grizzlies. Lakers game of all things and on the Fox broadcast asked We had asked him to be a to come on and now knowing what we know he was like Hey Look I'd rather not just because of everything going on you know But I went around and I asked people you know. 'cause obviously like celebrities like that they sit on the front row and whatnot so they end up dealing with a lot of people to a man. I want to get this out there because I think this is important to a man. Every single person that came across Cam Newton or dealt with Cam Newton about him coming in for the game being at the game where he was gone game walked away raving about how nice he was. And I thought that was. I didn't have some perception or I didn't really know I didn't know but these are these are regular people. These are not like these. These are not museum members. These are people that are trying to do their jobs whether it be ushers or people that take care of tickets or whatever else and they said he could not have been kinder to everybody involved and I was like meg impressed with that. I was happy to hear that About Cam the other thing. I'll say regarding what you were saying about. I've had two of these really. I think in my life one of them was and this is after a world series our pool host thing. I was a huge cardinals fan. I am a huge cardinals fan. He went to go play for the angels so it was nice for me because while I was devastated. I was never going to see him again. Like honestly like I wasn't going to like her TV and there. He is playing for somebody else. He wasn't playing in the nationally. He wasn't playing for arrival. And WHO's playing after? I went to bed for the most part right so it was almost like. He didn't even exist anymore after it seriously after he went there. Like you're you're you're not going to be able to with every. Nfl game being broadcast. We're not getting away from it and you know. All of a large part of his games are going to be on national. Tv and the other one was when I was a little kid. I was a huge Brett Hull Fan and that one killed me. That one killed me when he left. He left the Saint Louis Blues and he went and played for you know ended up winning a Stanley Cup And was playing for the Red Wings and played for some other teams and I just a Dallas Stars after that and after Saint Louis and then the red wings up to that and that one bothered me but now he's like in management with the blues now and so it's like it's I almost didn't happen and I'm left with these memories of when I was young and I think that's the at all like you will look back. Tom Brady is always going to be a patriot. But it is going to be so weird Suzy Him. I mean if there is anything that we give and labels if he plays. He's playing he's pliable. I don't you have the TB twelve method. For Goodness Sake. I saw that whole foods recently him in Seattle. I saw that I it. Yeah we're robbing Mrs Moore's to me. We're roughly the same age. I gotta get pliable Kev for goodness sakes. That's his whole thing pliability but anyway. Thanks old Tom Brady think I thought you were sixty acres. Yeah right so you know this week. This week I mentioned sweet. How I'm twenty nine years old and because of the beard along people are like wait a minute. You're twenty nine. That's unbelievable twenty nine for fifteen years and I don't think it's really amazing. The difference with a beard and without a beard. Because you don't have the beard people say wait a minute. You're twenty nine. I thought you were younger with a beard. People think I'm older. It's not a week that goes by where somebody doesn't listen to the show. Finally decide to look me up and then tweet me. Oh my God I had a vision I had in my mind is nothing like what you look like now and I'm like I'm sorry I don't know I don't know what to say sorry. Hopefully you're impressed Here's here's an. I'll ask you last thing. Would you rather see Tom? Brady in chargers uniform or a bucks uniform if he does go to one of the two teams that is out there. the charges uniform personally because I live in Los Angeles. I hope you're whatever this corona virus thing passes which could be quite a while but I'd love to go see Tom Brady play for the L. Hr's be cool all right. Let's get to what has happened in the NBA. So things have changed so rapidly And it was not long after you and I spoke on Thursday. I guess we spoke yet. Thursday morning and things have changed dramatically since that moment we had discussed the fact that it was even on Wednesday night that we're watching the game where everybody walked off. The court still didn't know and at that point it seemed like we would probably go on with the season and games without fan and as we know As we fast forwarded the season has been postponed. It sounds to me from the reports that are out there and people. I've talked to that the NBA is. They want you know if they could have a and we don't know everything is so ever changing. The goal would be to be able to finish the season sometime in the summer. You know And whether that means coming back and playing some warm up games and then getting to the playoffs whether that means jumping straight to the playoffs whatever it may be but I will just say this. We are so used to immediacy in sport whether it comes to like. We're doing now with this. Nfl Free Agency or whether it is in the NBA and we hit free agency or decisions being made and there's always kind of timelines that's the tricky thing with this. There's absolutely no possible way to have a time line and I think when we are searching for news and hoping for clarity. I'll tell you that it is going to be a long time until we get any. You will get snippets of news. And maybe what is being discussed here and there but there are way too many people that have to be able to agree and then come to terms on how you are going to go forward and I say that because you have you have the sponsors you have the TV partners you have the International TV partners. You have the players you have the players association you have all of the arenas and venues at which you were play. Then you're talking about pushing back all of the timelines you're talking about next season d you end up playing less games. Do you end up starting later in the year. And this is all stuff that you would have to negotiate with the players and then on the sponsor side right. You're doing either make goods or you're figuring all that out the galaxy wise and so I would just encourage people. Just hey just attempt to have patience with all of this because this is I mean. Just incredible for the. Nobody's ever been through anything like it and to get everybody on even close to up page to start a discussion is going to be a real track and and and keep in mind the majority of the owners in the NBA. Kevin Dave all got other businesses to you know I mean this is how they got in the place to be able to own Said teams and so they've all got other businesses that are of great concern to them also beyond what is going on in the NBA. And trying to figure all that out. So I would just say that while we would love you know. It just seemed like even late last week. Hey maybe you'll be able to come back in a month then jumped directly into the playoffs and maybe do three out of five and maybe not affected the schedule at all. That has all changed dramatically even since we last spoke last week not even the NBA knows when the NBA will be back and woge reported on on Sunday that the best case scenario in the eyes of owners or executives now is that it's mid to late. June return with the finals probably going deep into August. But you know planning ahead is possible and it's important but it's difficult to do when the empowerment is carnivorous a global pandemic and the the NBA right. Now there's an owner's meeting today By the time you hear this there may be news. That comes from that By the time that happens we'll see we'll see what they say you know whenever woge or Shams or wherever stops but I will say this before head of that. Everything is on the table. I've heard you know they've discussed. Having a postseason. Play in tournament finished the regular season. They've disgust having all games played at a neutral site. They've talked about how it's possible. The playoffs could even have a short and series. They don't WanNA cancel the season. That's right that's A. That's a last resort however there's also very real possibility that the season is canceled. It's very real that the season is canceled and next season is postponed. What's happening right now with Toronto? Virus cannot be underestimated and so the NBA can make all these plans as they should but so much of what happens over the coming weeks and months for the NBA is related to what government does in terms of installing testing and terms of putting in a lockdown as some cities and states have already done as have other countries in order to slow the spread of Corona virus. And until that happens it's going to be incredibly difficult to even imagine games being played by the mid to late June. Which as I said is a best case scenario. It could be a while before we hear ball's bouncing again before we're here that net swishing before we hear talk on like silence. I fifty point game before. Lebron is battling father time again. I mean it's GonNa be a while and that sad. It sucks and I can't help but then Chris you know if the NBA multibillion dollar business doesn't even know when the Games are going to be back. How can we as people know in? Our normal wife's are going to resume no and and then trying to figure out a major sports You know like I said with all of these different partners and everything that they've got and trying to get everybody on the same page. It's it's like where do the conversations even start? The conversations have to start with not knowing a time line whatsoever and then just attempting to come up with some level of contingency plans based upon a time. Line that you don't know I mean you just don't know at all I've been told that I believe the call is actually going to be a late this afternoon. We are recording this on Tuesday morning. I did want to ask you about one of the players Put out over the weekend. Spencer Dinwiddie a very smart guy. He put out the idea about having a march madness style tournament. You know and we have talked about the fact that there would be That we saw with the elementary in the in the All Star game. We've talked about them trying different things in the G. League or Summer League or whatever else it did dawn on me that this would be some kind of extremely rare opportunity to try something wild like that right to try like a single elimination tournament or something like that in order to complete the season again. You've got so many legalities you've got so many contracts you've got so many sponsors you've got TV partners players associated the whole nine that it's probably an impossibility and the goal would be to resume some semblance of what you have is a usual season slash playoffs but I. I was extremely intrigued by the idea of a tournament. You know I would love that too. Wouldn't that Kuwait's zoom the season if it. Let's let's just imagine and and okay. Here's here's the way I look about it man. He had the bracket with the four top four getting bouquets and then everybody is March madness. Something Yeah and you just something to to get the game back and being played I the way I think about it man. These next few weeks and months. It's not GonNa be what we had in the past year for the in in our past life this this is the new normal for us for quite a while and whatever whenever we get to the point that we we can turn on the TV and watch a live basketball game. That's a sign of progress when whenever it hits a point where you hear. Fans cheering from the crowd. Doubt will be another sign of progress. And as you know you and I doing this podcast for as long as we've had all listeners and US included who. Liz Truly Love Sports and love basketball to me when I was a kid I used to think about the year. The year is sort of like based on the schedules like when the Flynn the playoffs or happening. I knew the end of the school year was near. I knew you know when school was starting at least it meant football was starting and and right now in this situation wherein I know as soon as we can turn on the TV and watch sports. It means that we're getting better as as a country as a planet and I. I just can't wait until that day happens. Yeah right now. We're only at the beginning of this. I I look forward to that day and if that means having tournament that means it's progress if that means regular full games with fans in the crowd. That's immense progress to i. I look forward to that. Well Kevin I spoke about this before but my obviously my entire life is planned around the sporting calendar and I was trying to think about this. I mean as small as whatever my first memories are. I'm not kidding of life. I cannot remember my life without sports. I can't I can't remember where it wasn't incredibly important and that would be you know playing them creating memories like my greatest memories with my father much like yours and you've talked about many times are sports included with that. The same goes with my son and my daughter for that matter and obviously my career and I and it's what I watched like I don't watch much else honestly and so. I don't know if I've ever gone three days or a week. Without watching sporting event I'm serious in my whole life from the time I was in know four or five years old. You know these pictures of me and jerseys and wearing helmets around the house and whatever else. It's just been a constant. It was on in my house when I was growing up. My father watched and then obviously my my whole life and it was collecting cards and then it was collecting other stuff and then it was like it's just been. I don't know like a and I know sometimes you could say like. Oh well it's just a sport but like sports ties in to everything else in my life you know and yes. It's different with me because it's my career but I will tell you that it ties into all of the relationships that I have. You know my my best friends. I've got sports. Memories with them. my coworkers got sports memories with them. The people I talked to on a regular basis my mother my father my every myself I mean every day is like I see the video of you you know with your son in the house a little hoop or your daughter hitting her basket. You give money after she gets a basket. I mean like we're not going to be able to do that. It's intended for everything and and what we watch. I know we've been playing two K. Not Kidding like the same way me and my father. I been members my dad and I used to play each other in. Nhl Ninety Four. On Sega Genesis. I was a kid and we would go downstairs after we get off work and we'd play that or we would go to games or we would do. I mean I I tell you this. There was a moment last night. This is late last night where and I know I got I got I got emotional reading your stuff today about talking about your dad about the Brady stuff right. I'm sure you've got emotional about it too. I cried honestly man. I didn't I didn't I figured after my dad passed away. I figured that I would probably get emotional when it comes to sports stuff like that's that's always when it would hit me in in this morning when that when. I read that from Tom Brady and you know and he said in there about how you know he'll always have love for for Patriots fans and yeah. Aw Man all the happy moments I mean. 'cause I feel I feel it's you know he was? He was a he was a friend. You know he was an integral part of my relationship with my own father and Ryo sitting on the couch. Every single week from September through February and and watching him play and the joy and the thrills he provided to me and him. And that's something that so many people you can relate to all your data with other athletes. I other can with many other athletes. And that's something that I will forever cherish and it did make me emotional morning which which was good at. It felt good to feel well. And there for those for all of you listening Here is your safe space for the Sports Fan. That feels like so much has been taken away and it's not just the Games it is that connection you have with people that you love and one of the best moments. I had through all of this because it's just been so damned depressing. Just has you know like you. I'm so used to my my whole. Everything's got turned upside down but last night it was late when the story came in about Amari Cooper. My father You know when I from the time I was four years old. My father was always a cowboys. Fan raised me that way and we have always been fans so there has been this incredibly hilarious ongoing thing that I chronicled on my local show years ago. When when Amari Cooper was playing Alabama my Dad? He used to call me like regularly throughout the college season and he would he would say. Have you seen this receiver from Alabama is guys like the best receiver of her seat in my life but he did it like five or six times during the year right and I was like. Yes Dad had seen him. And it was always Amari Cooper right when he was playing at Alabama. My Dad I don't think had any idea what happened to Amari Cooper after college. Like when he went and played for the raiders. For three years. I don't think he knew what happened. And then he signed with our he got traded to the cowboys. And I was like that guy that you used to call me about every week and he was like. Oh I know like acted like he knew and of course Amari Cooper like drug the team to the playoffs that first year right and then obviously last year played and so he was a free agent and so that news comes across and the first thing I did was call my dad and I was like they re signed Amari Cooper. We got and we got to talk about it because look. I mean my my father is in the like. He's been in poor health for a long time. He's been in a wheelchair for a long time. He is He and he is also like terrified of everything right like same way people. He's like I am. I'm at highest risk of this. Might my dad is in his room like watching net flicks or apple. Tv or whatever he's watching right and then he rolls out to the kitchen and it gets ready needs and he rolls back and he's like I'm. I'm quarantined you know and I might bro. You a coordinator for year like I don't know what you're talking about like what are you not letting mom talk to you now. He's like and he's like no no. I'm really quarantine now. You know 'cause I watch the news and I'm at the highest risk for this and I might. You got like an armed guard and trying to your door or something like. Are you not rolling out of your room anymore? And it's these moments where it's like for goodness sakes the idea that he has changed his life and he doesn't even leave the house right but at least for that moment. I could call him and we can just talk about Amari Cooper and that Dak Prescott got reassigned and Blake. Darwin got resigned. And does that mean whitten's gone it. It was something to talk about. That wasn't what's going on and that to me. I think exemplifies the massive escape slash bond? That we miss you know we. You know stuff's not going on. Yeah I mean that's that's the feeling that you know. I miss this morning as being able to like you know. Calm on the phone or texting or he would be home now in this scenario and I'm home I'm home in Massachusetts with my mom right now not not in La and like you know just being able to talk with him and reminisce and think about what could be next and all that I mean those conversations are I mean I it. There's something you have forever and they just bring you joy and you know when it comes to what's happening now you see you know. Obviously our sports are are postponed or delayed or suspended. And it's not. It's obviously more than that. Though like we see in certain cities that are wants bars are shut down. People are not allowed to go out and do their other types of escapes Donald. It's it is unsafe to for like I remember for many years. Me and my friends would like play basketball together every Saturday morning. That's something you can't do Dopp being able to have these public. Social gatherings together is going to take away the escapes of reality that we all have had. I mean dude. I last night seeing a story of the the man who has been managed to see this guy who was married for sixty seven years to his wife and he wasn't able wasn't even able to visit her in the nursing home. Because you know all the immuno compromised people right in that nursing home. They couldn't let him and let him in and risk him infecting anybody in there. They couldn't let him in knowing that he could get infected. And bring it back out into the world They I mean is the saddest thing. And it's It's heartbreaking I mean. Our cultural norms have been shattered in a matter of a week in the United States. But this has been happening for months now around the world and Hasn't changed in. Who knows how long it's GonNa last but this is this for awhile is going to be a new normal for us and it just sucks man like. I think about personally the how nice it was last month for my mom and I too have a nice funeral service for my dad. I mean having a everybody so many people send flowers and seeing so many loved ones and family there and my friends who showed up and it was just a really really therapeutic day from my mom and I and you know rest of my dad's family as well odd thing right where it's it. It was actually a blessing though it is able to have that. Yeah right was. I texted the funeral director of the place. We had my dad's services this morning and asked him. Hey man like our of protocols changed and he said as of now we have a maximum a maximum of ten people all my for service and in some places like in Italy in Spain Weddings are not allowed funerals or not allowed And Soon Enough. That very well may happen. Nationwide in the United States and that. That's that's sad man like that. That really breaks my heart because already already there you know regardless of somebody passes from current a virus or something else like my dad passed from cancer. If you don't have the option to do that that's just really sad to me And that really hurts. Just think about all right. Let's get to the lighter side of things so side. One of the things that we have as a collective sports fan nation done is attempt to now what we do right. I'm so I'm so. I'm so programmed to be flipping on a game. I am so programmed to be watching something caring about something talking about something sports related right so I said you know what I should go through all these old books and some of which that I was sent over the years that I never read or that. I haven't. I don't remember what they said. And so I have picked up a book and it you know and and flip through different stuff over the course of the last couple of days. Biding the time by the way one of which I went back and there was like You so one of the most famous basketball books Jordan rules that Sam Smith from the Tribune wrote or I think he has Tribune Sometimes Tribune Chicago. Paper forgive me Sam. But he wrote the Jordan rules right well. Then they came out with another updated version where he had written like this new intro and I went back and read the new intro and I was like. Oh my God and I don't know. Vsbn will cover this whatever but like I'm thinking to myself imagine if it was the world today like there's this whole park of about our like this guy wrote a book about Jordan and gambling with Jordan and the fact that the reason the guy wrote the book is because Jordan Odin one point three million dollars and only paid him three hundred grand and so the guy was like screw you. I'm writing a book. About what a degenerate you are. And I'm like what in the world there's a whole nother thing about how he gets federal subpoenaed. There's some drug dealer on trial. He gets federal subpoenaed because he's in the calls as you know have a with a huge money exchange to the guy but the money exchanges of course because he lost playing car to them or whatever and I'm thinking to myself can you imagine if like nowadays like God forbid Kevin Durant. Lebron walked into a federal courtroom in his part of some kind of big trial. And I'm thinking God did he come along at the right time when media coverage wasn't as big so I I ended up being so wowed by what was going on. I read the first. You know that intro that I had never read for that book had been kind of wished I hadn't I watched there was like a Jack Nicklaus documentary. The Golfer that I saw I went back and watched I had saved like all these games on my dvr. I watched game five of the Western Conference semifinals year. The Grizzlies beat Oklahoma City to go to the Western Conference finals. I watched that I watched the nineteen eighty seven finals game that was on NBA TV. I tweeted about pat between the Celtics and the Lakers And I can't remember what else I have you taken in. You attempted to take in any what sports content. Have you gone out of your way to try to take in Sunday night? I watched American idol. I don't talk about it. I haven't caught up yet. Oh my I'm sorry do and what are you. What are you reading books for Chris? When American idol's on day so we always watch it tape so I could fast forward the commercials That's smart yeah right well. Usually well usually my mom and I. I don't for first of all I don't usually I watch bachelor. Obama Murray Week this week this year I started watching American idol after many years away. But we've started like we. Dvr It and then we start like thirty minutes in and then by the time it's over you don't see any of the commercials. What's crazy is it's one of the few families shows right so I do gather around the whole family and the other thing is I've watched that show. I mean that gets only one I forgive. People can make fun of me all they want. I've watched the dope who cares. Somebody makes funny. I mean it's it's like what you like about two people in this week's show that I thought were amazing. Well I I watch out for Franklin Boone in Grace Lear outgoing leading. I'm going to look out for. I broke away after like the years. That like Simon left and then it got wonky on Fox or whatever and like they tried to Redo the judges or whatnot like they kind of lost me for a couple of those years hair but they brought me back. I Love Lionel Ritchie. Katy Perry in Luke Bryan. I do I lie. They're they're really good in Katy Perry especially yeah awesome. And he's a great great judge. You know what they find. They got they got three people. That I find to be intensely. Likable Peop- Yes. I like all of them and I and I think they're all funny to like they all. They're all self deprecating. I like it and Katie. Seems to take sometimes the the. Simon role with being critical. She's not harsh like Simon. Cowley used to be but she doesn't away Sometimes like I would imagine hurts. Someone who who? But in a in a way that is constructive right a- and and I really admire that in her it may hurt but it's constructive and she also has a good way of I think can conceptualizing What a singer is who they might sound like and compare it to other things that are more relatable to somebody who is not a world famous Singer or singing expert. So we have I and so I've gone out of my way throughout the days I've grabbed my son to watch these different things. Whether it's old games that have been on or ones that I have. Dvr Or maybe an documentary. Whatever I've grabbed him because it's an opportunity to say. Hey here's something that mattered to me right or something that I think is worthwhile and it was crazy. It's crazy to watch like old. Nba Finals Games and stuff like that. That they have run they they ran like some old College Basketball Games that were on and then I went through and I I have collected memorabilia since I was again since I can remember and I just had piles and piles and then. When my parents moved out of their house I had to go retrieve it. All Ed so then it becomes just stacked up in my house and so what we did is we went through all of it or in the process still of going through all of it and my son has helped me. Who's ten And he has gone through and ask me all manner of questions about baseball cards. And like I got all these starting lineups and bobbleheads and just what what many people would say is crap But it you know it mattered to me. And I'm I'm just a pack rat you know I don't throw this stuff away and so we have gone through all of that and then I think we've only left the house like twice. We went to trader. Joe's to go grab stuff at one point just because like Kroger. Which is our local supermarket was slammed to the Gills? And so we figured there's going to be less people at Trader Joe's and I got hand sanitizer everywhere so we went in there and grab some stuff bro. We're in the frozen foods and like hey fifty feet away from me. I'm talking at the end of the row. This dude coughs and I'm like. Oh No William we gotta back. Let's say I I can't believe with this is done to us. I mean this dude and I felt so bad because the guy you know. They got probably 'cause he had stuck in his throat or so it didn't matter I was terrified that he's got Kuroda of gum and I go I go through every frigging thing and the way like Oh my God my son me and we could give it to my dad and this guy just called trader. Joe's and it was like I lost my mind. Yo let's grab the two other things we need. We gotTA GET OUTTA HERE BECAUSE SALT. One Dude cough. I mean that's what it was like for for my moment I yesterday when we got our last bit of shopping. Done most of it done early last week in one other time late last week. And but we could find. We couldn't five boneless chicken world shortage. There's no you're good. You're you're in Massachusetts. Yesterday we hit Jackpot though we hit Jackpot and a Shah's grocery store will fall. Shakes your store chain and off. East Massachusetts my wife. My wife ran around everywhere trying to find like there were no no chicken anywhere. Naughton and short sensory chicken no none. She ran into a whole foods and she was like. Where's the Chicken Guido? No and we don't know she's like well are. Are you supposed to get? She goes the ship. This shipment guy comes here tomorrow morning at seven. Am so that would probably be your best chance. She's like won't show. I gotta get up early in the morning. It tried to get over to like who knows how many people the guy told what people are going to be standing next to a truck trying to get boneless chicken breasts or something like does eat something else. I mean doesn't that really put into perspective though like just how much our our norm norms of chain lice. Only I mean we've had we've had a bad snowstorms and blizzards in the northeast. And my mom'll yesterday says to me she's like there's never been a time. There's ever been a blizzard and shelves have been this empty from what she can remember and her entire life she lived through the Blizzard of seventy eight. Anyone from the northeast knows what that is. You know that lived through that it was an insane time with a lot of so I did was not alive for it so I don't know But the Blizzard of seventy eight was pretty extreme and even then It wasn't hasn't seen as it is right now. I mean the fact you can't go find hand sanitizer or chicken or even super can be. I mean it's the only thing I can remember and there may be some old enough listeners. that could recall this. When I was a little kid I I was living My family lived in New York and there were hurricane. Gloria was the name of it came through and I remember being devastated. I remember us like not having power and candles being lit like staying in our house and and that kind of stuff but that was again temporary. You know what I mean or snowstorms like you say and I can remember stuff like that but other than that like now this nothing is like this and I am going to before we get done today. I'm going to cheer you up you ready because we're hoping shore be they'll be they'll be. Nba News later today. And hopefully we can get some clarity on how a season could be could happen but we. We made a little bit of news earlier mentioning that you know there could be a playing tournaments at charing or something of that nature but more news will come. So how are you going to cheer me up? I well by the way I am against the play tournament the grizzlies or the eight seed as it stands right now. I want them to freeze the standings. If either way I'm glad that clear I'm glad you did by the time we come back. It's going to be four hundred and fifty pounds anyway. He is over three hundred already. I've heard three zero five. Three five is a number that I heard Zion. Three zero five eight. Tell him not to run for a month and see what happens. Let's see what happens. Kevin and I'm not I'm not gonNA feed him for that are you're not gonNA feed him. Hopefully what happened? Hey I ll I. I was covering the NBA during the lockout and that is a big Dada me especially with them not being able to practice and whatnot. There's some of these guys that are kind of a Comeback Way. Outta shape trust me. It's just the way it happens. In a League of five hundred players But Not Zion. He'll be in great shape. I'm sure and the NBA's not drug testing during the the the this this this time without games either as well which is a smart thing to do and by the way like how is it the NBA is the only league that test for marijuana. I mean come on. Can we make this change in and get with modern times here? I don't want to She's I don't I don't WanNa get in trouble with anybody But I will tell you Kevin in ain't serious like don't worry about that. Oh the testing for marijuana. I I know they do but why even have it on in the rules though you don't you don't even know if a guy failed a test for marijuana like you never find out basically no kidding. I don't have the rule they make. I'm with you. They should get rid of the rule. I'm with you on that number. Two Bro you got to test positive like three times. And then you go to like some kind of count like you got to like just really be spitting in their face like just smoking. Waiters let dion waiters. Have all the edibles he wants to know? You know what my goal is when do a damn coma? Don't don't advise that you don't need them. I kind of forgot about if anybody. Don't give the edible suits that's my so there's humor in that. Hey look me up. Last night I played against my son in. Nba Two K. Ooh Yeah Oh yeah and I said you pick whoever you want. And he chose the Los Angeles Lakers. I should've known right. Wow He wanted Anthony Davis and he wanted and he wanted Lebron James Oh not so rivalry. I thought he wanted Avery Bradley. No no not April not in agreement. Okay not any green. He wanted Lebron Eighty in early. One Frank Vogel on the sidelines j Yes that's right that's right. Yeah and so you can choose the Chris so what well no because he knows on but to pick somebody awesome. This is this is not look. We're using our brains here. If he chooses somebody awesome then. He knows I'm going to choose. Somebody awesome and try to beat his brains right and so what did I do? I said there is only one team to choose and that is one that I I know his strategy and I know that Lebron aid the are going to be going to the Rim all game. I gotTA choose a team with great rim protection. GimMe the bucks and I cursed Brook Lopez. This whole Game Kevin the whole game. I wanted to see. I don't do a cheer you up. I said Kevin O'Connor and all these books fan tell me this guy stops everybody at the rim. He hadn't stopped them once and I'm using. I'm using them right in front of the goal. I got it so you take it up to K. Because this is fraudulent. What you've told me because I got waxed. I got absolutely waxed by a ten year old because I trusted the rim protection of one Brook Lopez. There you go Kevin. There's my research project. Take it up with Ronnie Touquet. Okay that I wanNA play you into K. Even though all bad and you got a PS four. No I don't anymore I don't have a I've had a council for two or three years is now well. I I have. I have considered returning to box place. I have entered it because of his long hair. I have considered the possible. I put out like a questionnaire. Did you see that on twitter? Recently I put out a questionnaire asking people for like hey you know. What are some things that you're into? What are some things that you'd like to see from me over the coming weeks and months In terms of contents non basketball related content and I mentioned video games and all that. I'm curious to the listeners. That poll was not about the show but this question is for the listeners. Who were still tuning in right now. I am curious. Would you watch me and Chris Vernon play on switch would you? Would you be interested in hearing US talk about a TV show or an old basketball game? Things that you'd want me and Chris Document that questions from me. I'm very curious about because you know religion I would. I would love to play online. No this would be good down. Hey Jude Grief. Good grief our view. I think you're on marijuana. So here's the thing all right. Look give out this what you need to do because now this gives we always are blabbing. And everybody's listened to all the time give out that Email address that we have set up and then people can send in whatever question they always wanted to ask. We do some more. Qna's sue then. Yeah we can do how. How about what if what I mean. Obviously for Friday show will do whatever the latest they do. A mailbag on the back. Thing what are you? We can do that for a look. We'll get enough questions. Lord knows we did one one time we did this and we were swamped the email is NBA. Mail bag at gmail.com so Manala. That's not the one we set up. Yes it is. That's the one and mail bag. I don't make me do you want me. To make new g mail account was a different would know that that was the one on August nineteenth twentieth nineteen. I sent a tweet Chris Vernon I are answering your questions. Next week's episode of the mismatch ask US anything. Nba Life Music movies ever took questions please email us NBA mailbag at gmail.com back. Nba mailbag at gmail.com. That was like a live ad. Right there. There you go you did to add. Read everything last last thing before we get out of here. There's one other teammate. That we have in having to do these podcast every week and is going to help us get through this. And that is our producer. Bobby Wagner how you Bobby. I'm doing Ra although it's been raining here in La so it's like particularly apocalyptic as opposed to just like apocalyptic on twitter it feels apocalyptic outside although the sun's come out today so maybe the mismatch returning has cared things a little bit and you're you're at home right. Yeah Yeah we're all at home. It's really unbelievable. That is a true blessing in two thousand twenty being able to do this while all being able to still abide by the rules of the the rules of the day is truly crazy. You ought to mean that we can record podcast that they could sound good and yet we're still all living through this. That is not the way communication would have been ten fifteen years ago. I promise you that I was like on. I was looking like a hardcore coder was like controlling the New York computers while recording recap ables westworld. Go check that out as like doing all these different applications open to different computers. It's like it's a different type of science and we usually have. We're making a work. Hey Bobby you mentioned westworld can how do you think conversations between me and Chris would go discussing Westworld? Have either of you ever watched it? I I love Westworld I I love it. It's one of my favorite shows that I've ever seen you know what look we'll we'll get people in the mail bag to talk to us about a cab. We do need to figure out maybe at some point we do something pop culture whether we yeah. We need a show to watch together. I mean like couples always watch shows together. We're a couple minutes you've got her. We are but you gotta remember right. We cannot be some kind of berry longtime commitment. I know you're shorter. Series the way the way it works at my house I creep around right. I got a ten year old a six year old and a dog and so there moment where like my ten year old will be playing on his mini. Who my six year old will be watching balancing bears or something right in the living room so then I just creep on by creep creep and I go back into the bedroom and I'll turn something on by the time it gets fired up. I got a dog on my face. I got six zero pulling on me asking me to draw or I build something or what I I gotta do everything after they go to bed so I can't. It can't be something where I gotTa Watch like you know. Beat the episodes of something you know. I don't know I I don't I don't WanNa Binge you know something that that I haven't washed for four or with you. I don't want you to have to watch like thirty episode thirty episodes at all. I mean I I personally want to catch up. Better Call Saul after. I didn't watch last season however I wouldn't want you or anybody to catch up on four seasons of that but I think a show. That's just starting such as debs is something to think about it or something. That's only you know one episode into the third season like westworld. We opened it up. Whatever what westworld might be. I don't know I think you would. I think knowing you would probably a swirl. That's probably what time commitment man. That's like yeah. It's like twenty two hours to catch up. No now bro. Come I think I think it needs to be a first season? Show or short series or like one of those reality shows like survivor to type of thing survivors. A good one. Talk about crossover ringer content. Oh survivor would be a good one and you know in that poll. I put out last week. A lot of people did mention survivors. One of the shows the throw watching interesting. All right. Bobby's holding up good. Have you watched any sports content? That all bobby no on what am I supposed to I tune into? Espn and watch cornhole. I used to do that with my with my roommate when no other those deals are out of control and they get so mad at each other when they miss any type throw or when they leave it off the board. It's insane it just makes you feel you know what I I can relate though because I'll talk about the video. Hey you gotta watch out for this Kevin. You Act when you're nine years old and you chuck the controller and you get so mad about the whole thing and you're like man. I can't believe I did that right. Nothing that I wrote why we'll tell you. Nothing Changes Bobby. Can you at least relate? Nothing changed I'm old now. I get so pissed off playing those games. Dude it's like when I lose I get so mad. It's like golf. Though you got no one to blame but yourself I know I I get so mad about the whole thing. It was like thought you grew out of this. I I never grew out of it. I still get mad. I get pissed off. I'm just saying never smashed a controller or anything like that but I've I've I. I'm a much calmer. Person not playing video games nowadays played. I talk a lot. Less trash played against a guy who I work with. I play together. Got Like remotely on the headset thing last night and the game ended. This is hilarious. So Zach Levine. Had the ball at the top of the key we run out and we double him he flips it over. I'm up to he flips it to Otto Porter in the corner. Nobody within fifty feet of him. He takes the three climax game over. I can't hear him on the headset right. The guy text me said I broke my headset. F- auto he said. I broke my headset auto order happy. I'm happy defenses practicing social distancing game against from our good friends Chris. That's how that's how we treated our border. We ran away from me. I Kevin you stay good Stay safe you in the mother. Bobby's aim with you. We will reconvene Friday. Give out that email address. One more time we're taking questions for the MAILBAG. Nba mailbag at gmail.com. We're GONNA do that on Friday show. Nc State as well. Chris you and your family is well thanks to everybody for listening. Another episode mismatch Thanks to Bobby Wagner for producing. You predict you're hearing go gives a rating on review on itunes five stars. Five stars really helps everybody stay safe out. There stay quarantined and we'll talk to you on for right.

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Paul Hynek and Project Blue Book

Truth Be Told

42:29 min | 1 year ago

Paul Hynek and Project Blue Book

"Hi Welcome to truth be told. Today's guest is Paul. Hynick the son of the late great DR J Allen Hynek. He's also a consultant on the new excellent history channel. Show Project Blue Book now in its second season. Paul's been a staple up the Conferences lately twenty five running him several times and it's a pleasure to have him here on the show. Please welcome Mr Paul Hanoch various. Don't worry we have less than one hundred people in studio audience because I know the corona virus requires that. So we're fine. I think there's ninety eight right. Hi Paul how are you guys terrific? We're doing good. We're not healthy so long yet. So we're good. Well I thought we I talk about your your father a little bit. Because he's obviously a legendary figure in this world would move on to talk about the history series involved with which also enrolls him. You know I think a lot of people aren't aware of this. I think it's fascinating. Maybe you could shed some weight on it for everyone Paul. How your father didn't didn't start with project. Blue Book? Tony did you know that there was Other things before that there's projects sign. Of course I did did. You did not okay well. And then. And then that evolved into project grunge and then that eventually sort of became project. Don't you shed some weight on that Paul? Because that's how he really got involved in this. Yeah so he was approached by the air force. I think in one thousand nine forty eight. There are some conspiracy theories that go back to his days with the proximity fuze during World War. Two and his top secret clearance but I think he was basically the closest astronomer. They could get to write at. Wright Patterson Air Force Base here yeah. I don't think they really cared. Who It was and you know people ask me why he got involved. I think he must have thought that it was. Maybe all of a couple of weekends worth of work. I think he had no idea that his pesky fourth orange child would be talking about this to you captain Ron years later I know. Yeah Yeah I feel that. I feel like he didn't think this was going to be and he thought nothing of the UFO phenomenon. He thought it was ridiculous. In nineteen forty eight much of post war hysteria they were flying saucers and no self respecting scientist would do much with them but he was a patriot. And I think he thought it'd be Kinda Fun to hang out with the air force and shoot down these crackpot cases. That alone is an interesting aspect of the story that this guy who studied. Do this for a Lark like you said. Just maybe you know. And then all of a sudden it turns out becoming very involved. And also like the the Robinson panel was part of this and the CIA itself. Sorta was born at this time right. Nineteen fifty-two ish. Yeah you had the SL before that and the CIA was then born and yeah they were sort of behind the Robertson panel in eighteen fifty three. Which was the first of two such efforts? The second one being the condom committee which was in part inspired by Gerald Ford then Congressman so the Robertson panel fifty three was the first effort by the Air Force to say. Hey folks there's really nothing much here Please dispersing go home peacefully. As was the cotton report which was was studying. The bookcase isn't said there's nothing to be. So that was in part I mentioned spurred by Gerald Ford who was angry. By my father's swamp gas partial diagnosis in Michigan in nineteen sixty six which is mis categorized but yes. Yeah and the Comic Committee the Condo report if you actually read it. The conclusion of the report has no connection to the actual data in the report. The data in the report itself is quite convincing. There's a bona fide phenomenon here. But he was so rigged that they didn't even read the contents of the report apparently in drafting the conclusion. I've heard that I heard if you actually read the entire kind of there's great cases in there. Yeah Yeah So. They didn't even look at it he just said there's nothing here. Yeah the air force just wanted some ground cover to get out of the UFO BUSINESS. Now we all know. They didn't really get out of that where they wanted to. You know a a rationale shutdown project blue book and your father as he always said he didn't actually study. Ufo's like people would think. Today he actually studied ufo cases. Yes and that's actually a crucial distinction. Because he didn't have flying saucers and a large patriots he had ufo cases and reports. And that's what allowed him to come up with the classification system of close encounters of the first second and third kind because he wanted scientists around the world who are actually taking an honest look phenomena to be able to have sort of an apples to apples comparison the decades across the countries. Now did he. Eventually as we all know that he eventually turned turned his belief on this and he felt that due to the credible witnesses and some of the credible cases that there was something more to this that it deserved legitimate scientific study. Yes that's right. I think it's a good way to put it. You know people say. He went from skeptic to a believer. But I don't think the word believe a great thing. He he grew to accept the accumulated weight of the data to indicate that there was a bonafide phenomenon. I don't think he would say that. He believed in ufo agreed. I think he says that ninety eight percent of everything he's still feels is either possibly a hoax but more likely a misidentification or mischaracterization or something that could be explained and he and his good friend Valet would talk about. Just how many rounds of ammunition have been fired at Venus and the moon over the year? It's insane yeah. And those Those unexplained cases that did intrigue him. I think that his if you if you listen to some of the old interviews from him I people should know that they're out there you can hear interviews with him From the eighties and he sounds like one of our current UFO RESEARCHERS. That would hear like if you go to a conference. He does he still. He sounds very enthusiastic about it. But what he had was a healthy skepticism. And a scientific look at it and I think that's kind of missing today from a lot of the UFO enthusiasts. They seem too eager to to jump right to. It's an et. Yeah One of the things that I have is that I'm very hesitant to believe things I want to be. True otherwise My fantasy world would have just gone way out of control you know sort of my father had. There's a sign that I saw when I was at the March for science in La a couple years ago that sometime attributed to Richard Feynman. But in any case it goes like this. I'd rather have questions I can answer than answers. I can't question. Awesome breaks down into two groups and I think my father felt it was important that you keep your mind open when perhaps confronted with what might be a new phenomena may not comport with your belief system and may run afoul of the grant you just received but at the same time once you determine that there is perhaps a phenomenon here that you don't just grasp the best available answer and shove it in. And that sometimes what he and Jacques thought about the extraterrestrial hypothesis because it doesn't seem to explain the totality of the phenomenon. He called his first book. The UFO experience not the Yoko citing. Because there's these elements that are involved in many of these really good cases that go well beyond simply seeing a nuts and bolts craft in the sky totally and he also didn't like the way that the US government so badly wanted to just dismiss it out of hand that it did not have the objective. Look at the whole the whole You know all the aspects of the case and that was the air force's Job Right. Mean the are there to project airpower airpower through the air and to defend against our foes projections of power through the air but also create the perception the populist. They're doing so capably so for them. It was a matter. Of course to say pooh-poohed nothing going on makes the recent navy disclosures all the more compelling because you have the Navy saying oh by the way we see hundreds of these things we have no idea what they are and we could use some help all right all right. Paul. Jump ahead to a big question for you grew up in this world. You grew up with your father's being involved in this. Where do you sit today? What is your take on? What's happening in my living room? Wondering Smart Answered Nice. Thank you thank you. You know I feel like my father that there is certainly a phenomenon here where it's from or where they are from is a completely different kettle of fish. But we've just had you know decades more of convincing evidence that something is really going on and for me. What's even more compelling perhaps than this or that case is the behavior of government entity especially such as the navy saying you know. Why would the navy make these disclosures if they hadn't seen things so compelling that basically force their hand to do so I think my father would be really fascinated by the Nimitz in these various cases? And what the government stances because it seems to be consistent with what like my friends Richard. Dolan or Steve. Bassett would say would be sort of an editorial schedule by government priming the population for even more disclosures totally agree with that. So so Paul. What is your thoughts on the government covering up so much of this in. What is what role. Do you think that they had for your dad? And I think that's their that's their job. I don't think my dad ever took a personal affront at the Air Force did I mean it was professional frustration. Because he's a scientist US. Effectively being muzzled. But you know if you are in the nineteen fifties One of these generals who may have all kinds of information. It's your job to sort of keep together the fabric of national security and people going out there saying that they're seeing. Ufo's is probably not going to help that. So I can understand the air force not wanting to be overly expressive with what they have. That's their job now. Governments around the world can be very secretive. Is that what I want them to know? But sometimes when I'm a citizen thinking about how easily the fabric of society can une. We've as we're seeing a little bit. You know frayed strands right now I think that's their job. And it's our job as truth seekers and scientists just sort of unravel that and get to the bottom of it now project. Blue Book From forty eight to sixty nine they had twelve thousand six hundred eighteen cases which people think they explained away all. But isn't it true that there's a was it Seven percent of the cases were never they were never able to explain yeah thereabouts. And and as you sort of alluded to before this is a government agency and Project. Blue Book was really a PR exercise. It wasn't really a truth seeking engine. Their job was to manufacture answers and assault cases. And even with that strong impetus and very clear directives from the higher ups they still couldn't explain a Korva cases which is fascinating. You know. It's not like I. It's just like they report the conductivity the actual data even with the government. Saying there's nothing to see here. You read what they themselves road and there is plenty to see here. Yeah and a lot of. It's very compelling like your father said a lot of these Firsthand testimonials that he heard our very compelling. Yeah you know. My father would place a lot of importance on what he felt. The credibility of the witness. You know somebody who is wasn't possession of their senses was preps corroborated by other witnesses and or machines radar or photographic evidence And then the their over time the consistency of their account. And you know any types of motivations they may have had for making this type of work so people like air pilots who are of course trained by the air force who really have nothing to gain from coming forward like Kevin Day who was the radar upgraded on the Nimitz. They have nothing to gain from this and a lot of criticism to endure for for saying that they've seen something those are some of the most really credible witnesses amid dad's view. Yeah and Kevin Dave wrote it down right after it happened and now it's coming out twelve fifteen years later which is really awesome. Your father also. I'm good friends with Kevin. And Yeah he somebody you know having been around my father a lot. I learned some of his tips or techniques for getting to you. Know a witnesses motivation or you know their sincerity and if you ever talk with Kevin. It's just readily apparent. This guy is as sincere and honest as the day is long and troubled by all this and this is really up. Ended his life and he's still trying to come to terms with the enormity of what he experienced and the aftermath totally totally. We've talked to him several times. It's it's an incredible story. Also your father was very. It was very important to him to talk first hand to the person like he didn't really like to like he wouldn't comment on this case unless he met with. Kevin and personally interviewed him and personally ask questions even like for example he he talked with Charlie Higson and Calvin Parker quite a lot from Pascagoula. Calvin is a friend of mine as well and he felt they were highly credible but even then somebody asked him. Hey did the Pascagoula citing really happened and my father would say how the hell should I know? I wasn't all I can say. Is I believe that those two gentlemen believe something happened. And you know because that's what scientists could say in that particular case there's just been more and more people coming forward corroborating various aspects of that. Report Twenty one. It wouldn't be great if there were more. Ufo investigators that were scientists like him. It's nice to see people coming at it with that angle and really looking. It's it's not to put anybody down but we love to have the scientific side of it because when people that just want to go out and do their own research it's finding Greta speculation. Yeah it's more speculation than anything so it's great to have that scientific background. Let's move on and talk about the new show not new show second season. So new is relative I think it's fantastic. I watch it all the time. And it's kind of good because it could bring people in that aren't necessarily in this community sort of a good show even if you don't like this world aliens you know what I mean right right and brother Joel and I are consultants on the show and very much involved with it and I feel like this. That has a lot of fiction in it. They they based on real characters my mom and father fortunately really existed and sort of air force characters and they use a lot of real reported cases and then on top of that they had visualizations of things that reported and on top of that they add dramatization and and they make no bones about it that not everything in that in the show is is accurate. It's more about authenticity which I think is they nail really well and so you have a work like this. Sorta like close encounters other movies or other pieces. That have some fictional elements. They do to your point. Ron Widen the tense of of moving the needle on the public discourse. You may have one person in your family who's a Ufo buff and nobody else cares where they can all watch the show and have a good time ride along the narrative art of both my father and my mother and say well. They seem like pretty normal people and they've seen this stop you know. They've changed their mind. So maybe I should too so i. I think it works like this can have a really big effect. It'll close encounters. Back in the seventies had a huge effect. People feeling comfortable talking about this really really crazy stuff. Yeah this show. I mean you don't have to really even be into this subject matter because it's there's enough drama going on and interesting intrigue. You don't have to believe in aliens or UFO's or whatever to to to enjoy this honestly. It's a rip roaring yarn short of all the UFO stuff. Yeah I gotTa Tell You. It's not super creepy at to have the game of thrones super villain right now. You know it's interesting. They do cover a lot of the big cases like the flatwoods monster and skin Walker ranch in Roswell right do you. Do you recall any of that when you were growing up hearing those stories or is this new to you. Those where you know you know. Hey you know bozos because my father would come. He had five kids and sometimes forget our names he just calls. Bozo Ryan the TV show. The don't fit into one. Yeah you don't go to bed flatwoods monster is GonNa get you are Boogeyman were you up. Ovilla ornaments on the Christmas tree. That's interesting was he. Was He kind of obsessed about the people that we talked to some of these investigators? It's their whole world. You know. Not just at the conferences. They bring it home with him. Was He like that at home around the house? Well or did he leave that at work and play cards. It's really it's a really good question and I will say this. My father was a scientist and he was a particular kind of scientists is an astronomer. You know he was not in his view. You know he's really well known for you but you have lawless. Was His side Hustle. You know that. He never thought he'd get into. He was a scientist and I think that's how he would think of himself. He was a scientist who wanted to go to the edges of commonly agreed upon science with a flashlight and pushed the understanding out a little bit farther and it happened to be in UFO's but his life you know his life passion wasn't Ufo as it was science in general. You know it's funny Living in Hollywood you know I grew up in Kansas so moving here. Yeah right but it's it's a it's a whole different ballgame. It's a whole different ball because what you see on television is what completely different so What was it like working with like the history channel and the show and and you know sorting out your normal day today world. Yeah in my wares that of a CFO for startup companies. And then I'm in the UFO business. It's been great Both my brother. Joel. I've had a really wonderful experience with the Creator. David O'Leary The showrunner showings of Lonski Arturo and Teheran who had been the network exact and of course the cast. I've gotTa Know My TV mom. And Dad quite well. Aidan Gillen and Lorrimore Nell I've been to set three times. And we read all the scripts before they go into production and give all kinds of input. So it's been a wonderful experience for us You know people ask me. Oh you know. They don't show down smoking a pipe or The staff about the lesbian Russian spy. Cavorting with your mom uses this stuff. They left out of this show. Was you know it's a lot of again? It's about being authentic and not accurate and the show captures the essential core of my parents really well and does a really respectful take on. Hey if you had TV allen seeing all these things what would real allen have thought an done in those circumstances so it's been a really positive experience for us. We're we're very pleased with how they portrayed appearance. I mean certainly. There are things where I said. Hey you know. Our Dad wouldn't have done things exactly that way and they're very very responsive to our employees. It's good approach. How does your the rest of your family feel that? They feel that way to do. They share that with you or somebody like idols. I mean I think my father would've would've put on his bathrobe and slippers and got a big bowl popcorn lazy boy chair and said Oh. There's a wonderful time and my mom would have said. Oh is a bunch of nonsense. You don't need me in there And you know my family. There's a whole spectrum of of what we think and perhaps my brother Joel and is since we're involved and also have a long entertainment experience really. We understand from both sides of the fence. What it's like when you have sort of a dramatic portrayal of real people so overall families is pleased as punch. It's a IT'S A. It's a respectful and knowledgeable because the people behind the show are huge Yoko bust. I tried to stop them. And you're trying to stop Tony on the projects you know. Projects sign and grudge. There's another one called project. Twinkle was both the creator of the net. I was GONNA say that would be mild twenty question but before we get there. Let me ask you this. You know in the show it's interesting. I wonder if anyone knows this. Or if it's true your mother I would have assumed had nothing to do with this and that was sort of dad's thing but in the show she's very much investigating these things and very much. Is there truth in that? Or how does that really reflect reality? Absolutely one of the things that we talked about with the producers and writers of the show because they wouldn't have much way to know about this is that my mom was indeed actively involved in the show and we want. We talked a lot about how my mom was. Not just a one thousand nine hundred. Eighty s housewife. But she got actively involved she was the editor of the International UFO order and when my father founded the Center for Ufo Studies in Nineteen. Seventy three he was sort of the visionary behind it but she was the royal administrator who put the whole thing together and kept it together so in shallow in the first season. They don't you know she's not that actively involved and they did that on purpose so that they give give her character room to have that art of getting involved just like my father very cool. Well you know. Captain Ron Graduated College in Nineteen seventy-three. I'm just kidding but your dad found right. He got kicked out more likely he Actually your dad founded the center of UFO Studies Is that still going and Do you have a big part of that? Yeah I it is still going and I'm involved with them and I'm also now the chairman of the Advisory Board for Mufunda. We saw you there at the move on fiftieth anniversary. Tony and I saw you there. Yup You guys were heckling from the audience. We're throwing stuff. I didn't realize you were actually involved with them officially. Now that's great. Yeah Yeah and we'll be talking about that at this symposium in July if the world hasn't fallen off the precipice well we're headed that way. You're also be you'll be. Are you going to? You're going to be contacted the district this year coming up at the end of May God willing. I was gonNA say fingers crossed. God and Victoria Willing. I will be there. That's right well. Since you brought up this virus let me deviate from from from project glue for one second. Obviously we got this corona virus thing going on and they were talking today. That an immunity thing really. That's why children don't seem to get it any older. You are basically the more dangerous. It is for you Ron because of your immunity system. It's it's it's basically a taxi. Immune so if If you're eighty your immune system is dwindled. You're more likely to get an even more likely to die from it You besides being a C. E. O. Cfo and running these companies and doing the startups being a consultant in this having your famous father doing all these projects. You have another more unique thing. You're one of. Maybe what ten twelve people that have this. You've had your what you're famous gland regret. Or how tell us about that? Yeah yeah this is something. I'm just thrilled about so. We all have what's called the thymus gland the thyroid not the thyroid. But we have a thymus gland here behind our breastplate right here. And that's basically what creates your white cells your your white blood cells which are called T. cells which are immune system and t cell stands for thymus enabled cells and once you turn twenty in everybody man and woman. You're thymus invalids or shrinks three percent per year. So by the time you get in your sixties seventies your immune system is no longer producing whether called naive t cells which are strong at fighting novel pathogens like the novel Corona Virus. So explains why people that that are. Elderly are much more prone to serious complications from it and so several years ago there was the first experiment in history approved by the FDA to fight aging overall and not combat want specific disease. Run out under the ages of the Stanford Neuroscience Institute. Actually we grow the famous plan in healthy individuals to see if we could turn back the clock on this really essential component of aging. A lot of people will realize Paul's eighty nine years old right now. So that's that's right. That's right thank you so much and so the trial was done and it was very successful and the results were published in a peer reviewed magazine in a Peer Review Journal. And not only did it grow the finest Glenn but it actually showed registered for the first time in history significant results in. What's called the Horvath clock? Which is the gold standard in the EPA genetic or Menthylatim clocks and so it is just got all kinds of world attention and a real age right Paul. Like that's what will tell you your real age that's right that's right and Steve Horvath are? Ucla is probably going to win the Nobel Prize. He's at hundreds of companies and people go to him with their techniques and their trials. None of them is moved the needle. This time trial was the first thing I did. He got so excited he joined the company and I'm now the CFO Company and I'm not just a CFO. But my brother Joel and I had the best results in the trial jolted to make the claim which I'll do right now more than half tongue-in-cheek that in the history of the world I have the most documented success at reversing my age unbelievable ramp. That's Benjamin jolted it as well yes. Yes wow wars. You're dead thought about you guys doing this. Oh he would've loved it. He loved it because he I he would've wanted to investigate the parameters of the trial and the risks and all that but I think he would. I think he would have jumped at the chance to do it himself. Oh Wow that is a fascinating. How many years ago was this about three years ago and it was a one year trial and it was just unbelievable and the company is called intervene immune intervened immune dot com. If people are interested they can join our our ongoing protocols in how how did how was this again injection pills? How how so we did. I did injections four nights a week in my belly which is tough because my belly is so taught us no factor and now we're actually working on hills because that's just easier to do their most stable so you don't have to refrigerate them etc that's great that's amazing it's pretty darn cool your whole life and then you're doing the augmented reality companies and virtual reality companies. You WanNa talk about that from it just since your life is sheriff. I'm here to do your bidding. Sir Yes so. I worked in visual effects. Doing motion capture. We worked on Avatar. Lord of the rings planner the a bunch of different movies and we solar companies James Cameron after Avatar and we actually use virtual reality of we call the virtual production pipeline in the making and the production not the consumption of those films. So there's a whole bunch of movies that we worked on that used virtual reality to make the movies even though they're not virtual reality productions and so after that I sorta segue into sort of pure vr and a art which. I'm still active in now. And one of the things I found the most fascinating is the medical therapeutic aspects of virtual reality so I worked on a project with USC to cooperate virtual reality into their stroke recovery technology. And so you have these amazing results where people can use what USC had already cooked up and VR and regain functionality. After a stroke with no pills and no scalpels this unbelievable. That is really exciting. It's a pretty cool stuff. What about a I? Have you done anything in that area? Yeah so what? I'm very interested in. Ai In the singularity and and one of the coolest experience I've had was. I was invited to a conference to speak about. Ai In UFO's. And I said well look Help OUT INSTEAD OF ME SPEAKING? I interview somebody who has a PhD in Ai from northwestern WHO's one of the most recognized UFO experts in the world. And that's Jack Ma are longtime family friends. So I did a a question and answer session with Jock who not only has thought for years from highly educated point of view about ai as seen in the manifestations of ufo sightings but also using a I to call through the reports of UFO's to find commonality. Paul I want to ask this Remember the movie total recall when they use virtual pretty much virtual reality to vacations and half. Are we out when it comes to something like that? Do you believe there are. Virtual reality is a very fast. Moving field are now headsets that with phobia rendering which is basically using pupil tracking. So you look at when you look straight ahead you have what we call native resolution straight ahead but your peripheral vision is not high resolution. Because your your body doesn't need your brain doesn't need to devote those resources before long. We'll have virtual reality. Headsets and then lasers projecting onto our is things that are so real. We can't distinguish them from reality. And SORTA cheat in the short term is phobia added rendering so attracts your eyeballs and will present that in native resolution. Only what you're looking at the time so before long. You'll see with very headsets. That you won't even feel you'll see things with haptic feedback that will really be in many ways indistinguishable from real reality player Right right and that that is coming or like the Matrix and I gotta give a shot a member of the Joel who won an Oscar for another movie but He created the effects on the Matrix holding down the ideas that you're not like ready player. One where you go into virtual reality. No you're in it and don't even know it and that's the kind of future we have. Well what's funny is over the over the Christmas holiday. We went to some friend's house and they got the more updated virtual reality helmets and it was the craziest thing of being able to sit in the living room. Put It on and look like you're sitting in a real theater watching a movie. I I was blown away. I was blown away. Yeah Yeah and you know. I was involved and sold a virtual reality headset company. That used cardboard headsets. You may have seen this because really all you need for. Virtual reality in this sort of lowest common denominator is your telephone that has very strong processing and it can create stereoscopic images and you just need lenses a couple of inches from your eyes to blur this images together holy crap so with with a ten dollar cardboard headset you can watch virtual reality and you actually make virtual reality productions on your phone. I've shown thousands of people virtual reality for the first time with cardboard headset. Which has crappy resolution? You're holding this clunky piece of cardboard up to your head and still it goes beyond what framed entertainment can do and really imprint upon you it could be a really profound experience even without low level resolution. Have you have you ever thought or is this? I'm sure this is already being done. I mean even with with avengers in and Some of their some of their technology. That they're showing. It's already showing up in military if not already Have you been approached by military of a and virtual no question? Okay that means yes. So we'll we'll I mean I'm not in that world at all but I went to the void. You know what the void is avoided the star wars thing it now. It doesn't feel like real like you said the indistinguishable I mean. It's clearly like a clearly. I know it's not real. It's insane like you can touch. You can walk around. I mean it is. It's a I didn't know we were that far. And we'll probably way past that in and what's out. Yeah I moderated a panel at South by southwest one of the ones that was not cancelled. And we had guys from the New York Times and we had the United Nations. Vr Yes each entity now has their own VR person and somebody asked the people from the New York Times which has a growing free library of virtual reality content if VR was going to replace journalism and they give very good answer that no it won't replace journalism but it can take us that much farther so for example they gave the case about. Let's say you read an article about refugee camps. Most of the article has to describe the setting and then they can talk about other things but if they have a VR movie somebody puts on the Helmet. The effectively transported there. And it's an empathy engine. That can make them understand in from someone else's shoes what it's like to live in a refugee camp and then the responsible journalists can talk about things like how many refugee camps there are. What is the status where they going? So you have this ability to sort of G- rock on a very emotional level very visceral feeling what it's like and then have the sort of journalistic overlay so something that can repel journalism to another level. I just thought about this. You know a lot of people that are transitioning When my mother passed away a lot of times in these nursing homes where people passing away of actually doing virtual reality of like a Heaven Mike. I wonder if that how that would affect the transition. I'm curious well. You know it's interesting. And that SORTA gets into psychedelic too because psychedelics and virtual reality are ways to sort of confront in a controlled environment phenomena that you are you say deathly afraid of and come away with a sort of more accepting understanding perhaps But so VR is particularly as a friend of mine named Walter. Greenleaf is the sort of dean of medical applications of the are. He's been at Stanford for twenty years or so and he really likes VR to help with anticipatory anxiety which we all suffer from for some reason and one of the things he's done which is really gratifying. Is Make A VR protocol for children who have to go to the hospital for some gruesome procedure? Right and so what he realized was is that the VR experience starts in the actual parking lot. Because where are you going to be the most afraid? Right right what? All the things are unknown. You're in the parking lot and a walks you through each step of what you're going to see in a way that you have a little bit of psychic remove from so you can understand that experience but not be overly terrified so by the time you actually do it in real life. You've already stepped through those beats and you at least you know what's coming. That is a great. This guy's got a lot of stuff to talk about. Do we know if there's going to be a season three for project Blue Book? Well I'll tell you this or another thing you can't talk about it just between us girls almost certainly and yes and may have talks about season three embassies in four. This train has left the station and I don't think it's coming back soon. The show's really done. Wow I I you know. I think it's fantastic. But what is the big? 'cause you always hear both sides You get people that the critics of saying okay. This is too far fetched. And then you get the people that are just saying it's very entertaining. But what kind of the medium? What are you here from not necessarily the executives in but the people that are actually watching it when when they come up to you what is what is the? What are they saying well hardcore? Ufo boss will say hey the first episode. The Gorman dogfight they banked left instead of bank and things like that and the people say hey that was that did. Your parents have that kind of carpeting in their house but by and large. You know I'll tell you it's not exactly the show that I would have. I would have done things a little bit differently but I think we ever do something differently. But by and large the show is mentioned very respectful on my parents and the phenomena like you said it brings more people into the ten to WANNA see inexperience. What's going on And you know it was the highest rated new cable show last year. So they've done something right and I think that's you know these type of shows Ancient Aliens Project Blue Book American Unearth. All these shows that We don't get to hear hear about these. You know subject matter that they do they bring people into the mix of. That's why I think a lot of these Big Festivals have grown so much. Because it's not just the UFO buffs but it just curious to find out. Yeah and I I've been on. I think about ancient aliens again this Saturday And I did a taping. For William Shatner's unexplained show will be on August. So people have a really deep thirst because you know. What are the main questions in life? What's the meaning of life as a life after death? Is there life elsewhere? Those are like the top questions right and my father less heart was one of the people that got the closest to the answer on one of those questions. That's true absolutely that's awesome. Well thanks for coming on and talking to US really enjoyed talking to you. It's great my pleasure. I know he just doesn't have enough energy so many areas. You can talk to any of these things. It'd be great. Well we'll be seeing here at contact of the desert coming up at the end of. May I hold her as we saw God willing God willing all right? Well thanks everybody for tuning in for Paul Hynick and make sure you watch project. Blue Book hopefully season three and four on history channel and They let us come to contact in the desert if they let us a all. Everybody just jump into car come down. If you don't Wanna fly just drive across country make it a family trip But Make sure you subscribe to truth be told Channel Go to our podcast on apple iheartradio spotify Google play all the major outlets radio DOT COM and Thank you guys for supporting us We can support people like Paul and bring you the latest until then we'll see next time on truth be told all right. Thank you Paul Cool. Hey brother that was great as fun. Thanks as always thank you so much. I take back half the bad things I've been saying about you. Hopefully we'll see a here soon. I really don't know what's going to happen. Every fucking thing is cancer i. It's not looking as good as I hope I. I don't even get fifty fifty but yeah I mean or maybe it's is done in a radically different way or some virtual and smaller crowds I talked to Victoria like a week ago. And you know there is enough time because that's almost two months from now that things may have settled down but like you said I mean maybe less than fifty feet. I really don't. This is the fourth biggest question after. Where do we come from aliens out there? Will this thing Jane? We have no idea I wouldn't I wouldn't place a bet on this no way. I'll tell you this. I have every confidence in our current administration that they're doing everything they need to do. So who knows? Wait a minute I'm GONNA. I was GONNA put some cricket cricket on there for our well thank you sir. Appreciate your time and we'll see you next An about hopefully two months yeah.

GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 367: Good Stats, Bad Team Players

GSMC Basketball Podcast

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GSMC Basketball Podcast Episode 367: Good Stats, Bad Team Players

"Get your ears wrapped around the golden state media concepts basketball podcast all the scoop need to know from college basketball to the NBA and even much madness. Zoos of your rising stars topics on and off the hard work. This is the golden state media concepts basketball podcast. Welcome welcome to the MC basketball podcasts. Presented to you as always by the gist emceed podcast network as always on your host nick. Robin and we are live today from New York City so. I've been planning on coming to New York specifically Montauk a little bit east of the Hamptons and was coming to visit some friends of a place there on the beach and Dacoven. You now have to stay. You have to come in quarantine. If you've lied from California to New, York along with eighteen other states the. Quarantine Yourself. So I have to be here for minimum two weeks, so I thought why not make a month trip out of it and kind of explore everything that new. York has offer I. Mean It's not the most ideal time right now, but I thought why not my other friend? He's coaching baseball in over in East Hampton so I am. His entire apartment to myself for the next four weeks, so I am pretty excited and today we have a great show. We will be discussing Stephen. Adams comments involving the increase of technical. And the world documentaries rented. Take a look at what I think might be the most important. Sorry, most interesting important moments, but also just interesting stories that should be reluctant, so we'll be going to that, and then on Knicks picks best. The best fastball documentaries last ten years over twenty ten to twenty, twenty five includes the most recent. Jordan documentary, but I a breakdown of all MBA, good stats, bad team players. We begin first with the qualifications to make the team. First off. You have to be either the number one or number two option on your teams in terms of number two. You have to be like a one. A one B like Russell and James Harden. The I would say James Harden definitely a and Russell's. By far highly qualified one be. And, then staff Second thing is the player must have gotti stats as the number one option for your team, so it only in the years when you were the number one option. And in those years you can only have qualified for the playoffs in two thousand five percent or less of the years have been in the League, so if you've been in the League, eight years in qualify for the playoffs twice twice, you make the cut. And then lastly must have at least three full years of experience so. Not just so there's been two years and then this year. This is your third year during the Kovin season. That doesn't count as three full years because as only been sixty games. So that disqualifies players such as the Deanne Fox, who has played a very high level for a team, still struggling in the Sacramento Kings are in the ninth season at least got the t shen to come to Orlando unlike some. Unlike teams like the Hawks and trae young, who's had an unbelievable season averaged nearly thirty points. A game on ny overnight assists so, and he's now proven that it can be a little bit more efficient shooting thirty six percent from three rather than the thirty percent of youth shot last year. So he's made great strides and could be a future if he if he doesn't turn, the hawks round sued could be a future all good stats, bad team player, but enough dilly dally. Let's get to my nominees for the all MBA, good stats, bad team players and again. Let's go through that again against first off. They have to be a number one obser- close number for a close one beat number two option on the team. They had to put up big of only qualified for the playoffs and twenty five percent of the years that they were a number one option. And then they must have at least three full years of experience going down the list that I read in, so we're GONNA do the typical guard guard, center. In my league guarded. Devon Booker draft in the first round. In Two Thousand Fifteen thirteenth over also right in that lottery slot. He came from a stacked. conducted. By Far, the Best College Team I've seen in my lifetime with. Although they didn't win it all they did go thirty eight in. Oh, until they came up against. The Wisconsin Badgers and frank, the tank and the worst part about this is the badgers and even end up winning it all. It was actually do with. Titus Jones Jalil okafor injustice. Winslow's so. A bunch of other freshmen phen- arms ended up. Taking home, the Trophy Bat Year, but that Kentucky team was by far the most talented stack team that I have seen. In in the past twenty years, so Devon Booker is my starting guard on our good stats bad team player. In this year he put up twenty six points a game. Six six NAPA says on forty nine percent shooting and just Saito Kobe Bryant never shot higher than six percent for higher season. So it shows you that Devon. Booker only twenty three years old is one of the best scores. Not only right now, but could be one of the best OARS IN NBA history. If you remember a couple years ago, he scored. Over, seventy points in an NBA game which is. Third all time after Wilt Chamberlain in Kobe. Bryant's eighty one so. He's done some very impressive things, but. The lack of playoff success, and well honestly getting to the playoffs in general has been a No-go as he's had five head coaches and five years, zero postseason appearances in the most wins. He's had. It's this season when he's had twenty six. So he has had much regular season, success or winning success at all, that's why he's here. And then over the course last years he's averaged twenty six game over six assists shot over forty six percent from the field and thirty five percent from three, so he's been very consistent over these. Three years, but hasn't doesn't have much to show for it. That's why he's on her. Stats fat team. List, so moving on Levin. SIMILAR TO DEVON BOOKER A. He's Inbetween, point guard and shooting guard I'd say he's more than a one. Devon Booker might be a little bit closer to a one in this series average twenty five and a half points a game. A sees a career high on worry five percent from the field thirty percent from three. Six years in the League was drafted the same. Pick as Devon, Booker First Round thirteenth overall. Each played for two teams though Chicago in Minnesota started off. With Minnesota coming off the bench and develop more of a role and was is more well known for his dunking exploits I would say than anything else did win back to back dunk contests in that infamous. In that. Unreal unconscious with. Aaron Gordon a couple of years ago. So. He. Similar to Devon, booker has experienced five head coaches, he has been on two different teams though. and has zero postseason appearances. So Devon Booker Zach Lavina our starting guards. And another player from Kentucky Julius randle is. Our first forward. He. Has Bounced around a couple of times out started the Lakers as part of that Koby The end of the Koby run. So, not the best. I would say not the best situation to develop in and he. I season I really in the first game, he. Broke his leg was out for the entire season so kind of lost your there, but he has been the league six years. He's twenty five first round seventh overall in twenty fourteen. This year he put up twenty nearly ten, a game or the New, York Knicks. Shooting percentage went down significantly from fifty three percent the year before to forty six percent this year. Probably a lot to do with the shots like she's getting being the number one option for the first time. and He's played for a horrendous Knicks team, so he was with the Lakers signed. With the New Orleans Pelicans in. Twenty eighteen twenty nineteen. Didn't pick up his second year option and went to the New York Knicks as a free agent. and. Similar to the other guys, he's experienced four coaches more so that he switched him because he's been a three teams now, and his successful season was winning thirty five games to the Lakers, seventeen eighteen, so zero postseason appearances to his name. and. Not sure if he's the type of player to find success in today's NBA us. More you. Pass the ball it stops. He dribbles dribbles and either tries to score or. Or turns it over so really not. I'd say a player that's affective in today's NBA. Is More of a ball stopper is what I would call him. Some. Fish I would say out of all the players of I'd say he's the least likely. To be able to lead his team in the playoffs, especially in the situation, these in with the New York Knicks. Young Stud and RJ Barrett but the management there has been. I would say awful. It'd be an understatement for the last twenty years. But they maybe if they get a new owner, things will turn around. And now moving onto our second foreword. And probably the most. Successful player on this list in Karl Anthony Towns To All Star appearances. Missed out this year. Do I would say due to missing too many games, but put up all star numbers once again, averaging twenty six and a half points, nearly eleven rebounds four point, four assists and shot. Were you one point two percent of the three point line on nearly eight attempts to game, and this is a player that seven foot. He's a center. Here I'm putting forward in stretch the floor and his your ideal stretch five this the type of player you want. On a title contender. But. He showed that he really just. Hasn't shown much winnings in the League five years. Twenty four years old, the first overall pick in twenty fifteen. He's only paid for Minnesota. Wisconsin three head coaches, and the most wins. They had was forty seven, which the solid season in seventeen eighteen, but they were blown out of the playoffs, and he did not show up. He averaged only fifteen a game. So. He's. Shrink currently announces tricky to. Analyze as he is, he puts up. Number. unworldly numbers in not many players in this league and put up, but He hasn't been able to lead a team and I think it's war because of his work on the defensive ad where he's been somewhat of a below average liability for someone who came to this league. At someone we thought could switch off guard smaller players well as Forwards and centers, but he hasn't been able to put it together, but I'd say with the fact that he has another top fifty player in the League on his team de Ngelo Russell. WHO Has? Ever GonNa player that was praised so much in eighteen, thousand, nine, hundred, one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty, labeled as A. Selfish score and a stay. Click your stats and no-win type A player with the Golden State Warriors, but that's not really his fault. Because steph curry got hurt. Play Thompson already out for the year, so he was kind of a no win situation and he ends up getting traded for Andrew Wiggins so wiggins now on the warriors wrestle now. With Carla with cat was big cat in Minnesota Should be exciting to see what they do next year. They do some young assets in. Gerry Cole in Jordan, mclauglin but Outside of that they don't really have any veteran presidents, but I would say carleen hounds out of anyone on this list. Is the most likely to. Break through. And finally lead his team to sub sort playoff success, whether it's a just a second round appearance, or would henshaw even the conference finals, but right now with Alec Clippers and Lakers look along with the nuggets I love Minnesota's really that. Playoff picture, but we'll wait and see how these two young studs performed together next year. And lastly, my center in the. Highest. tenured player on my good stats, fat team list is driven. Recently traded to the Cleveland. Cavaliers was not too happy about that as we saw from his tweets, calling out Detroit and. He's. I'd say. One of the more interesting players on the list, has he? Is Such an old school center? The Guy I mean has led it illegal rebounds four the last five years. He was drafted in twenty twelve. The first round, ninth overall Yukon. He this year he put up nearly eighteen fifteen rebounds a game. Almost two steals and two blocks again which is. It's a very. Not many players have put up those numbers at Kim. Ben Wallace so he's in. A very limited lists there in. He's dealt with five head coaches. He's made the playoffs twice in both rounds got swept by the box and cavaliers so. He hasn't had to which playoff success hence wise on this list. But I mean he had to deal with youngest in the box and Lebron and the cavs in those first two rounds, so we can't take too much. We can't take that too much context is he? Did go up against the best teams in the entire league. Then less, so he's been unsuccessful leading his team to any real playoff success, and the cavs do have a young roster with some young stud guards in concepts thin. And Darius Garlan but Not. Sure if they're. Not sure if they're elite enough to really lead them possibly to aid seat in the very weak and formidable unfor- middle. Eastern Conference. But I don't know if something. Audrey drums game really translates well to. Today's NBA. He's more of A. Back to the basket, titus center like Shaquille O'Neal, but A very poor man Shaquille O'Neal, so we'll just have to wait and see, but honestly I would say if anyone on this list outside of Julius. randle is the least likely chance up ladies team to a championship. and. I know he's only twenty six, so it's probably not fair to say that because I mean a lot of players made strides in during their prize, but from what we've seen I don't think a player like Andre Drummond such the reason that he. TOOK HIS Twenty nine million dollar player option because he knew he wasn't going to get that type of money on. Wasn't that type of money in the free agent market just the type of player he is. and. He's just he's outdated so. Moving on that was my all good stats. Fat Team Players Again, Devon Booker Zach Levine. Julius randle Karl Anthony towns at the top it off, Andre Drummond. Come back. We will discuss that influx of technical fouls. With the restart of the NBA season, Orlando. 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Start quote, you might see an uptick in more technical fouls because. In parentheses the referees can hear what players are saying out of said on Monday, because you see like to talk on their backs, and they can actually here. It's now so there's GonNa be a lot. More ts should be the only difference and quotes. So. As we all now due to covid nineteen. There aren't gonNA. Be Fans present at the Orlando. Greece star at. Less than and days away now and now looking at the tech leaders for this season, Draymond Green as fourteen, but as we we'll awards will not be making it to Orlando due to the fact that. They. Really Shadow over this season I. Mean it's not their fault. They lost Klay Thompson. Steph curry got injured in the first couple of weeks of the season. They were playing. They lost Kevin Durant arguably a top. Three player in the NBA, so we're going to see some regression. We just weren't. We weren't expecting it at this level, so yes, trayvon green will not be affected by this. No fans uprise of technicals, Russell Westbrook, though as fourteen, so we'll get to that in the sack, with that could be detrimental to their playoff hopes, but I'll get to that in a minute. The Marta rose and has thirteen spurs are. Less likely to make the playoffs of this point by. We won't know until he started playing the Games Kyle lowry as twelve and Marcus Morris Senior has twelve as well. So what's really going to change so I was thinking about this a little bit more, and with no crowd noise and I think that's thirty five members per team, so you're looking at about fifteen players and twenty. Coaches. Medical people, so you're looking at thirty five seventy people in the building for these games and then throwing the camera crew everything. We're looking at about, but just call it. A hundred people are going to be present during these games, so you're going to hear some assistant coaches sitting in the second row, the Banks Chirping referees. We're going to hear a lot more trash. Talking I think that might have been more. Affecting usual might get into players heads a little bit more conservative. Clearly, hear everything that is being said. And we're about to find out what is okay and not okay for the public to hear and that's what's GonNa draw these quick tactical 's, and we might see referees with a short leash than usual, so it's going. Be Interesting to see non the less. And going back to Russel Westbrook, so he has fourteen technicals. If you reach sixteen technicals receive a one. Game suspension and this could completely swing a series for a team like the rockets that really only have. James Harden Russell, Westbrook and then Eric Gordon Robert Covington so they don't have much depth air so losing a guy like Russell Westbrook, who is a one beat? The hardest one could be detrimental so for example and I think this gets pointed out a lot. Especially now in Emmy history in twenty-six teen draymond green gets his technical by. Kindness. Bronco steps over him and. He kind gives them a nut hit, and that led to on suspended for. Game? Five of the. East. Eastern Conference Sorry of the NBA Finals Game Five, the NBA Finals I can lately swung the series as we know abroad and. They showed up dropped forty points a game each ended up played out from a three one deficit, arguably the greatest comeback in. NBA History. And in terms of sports I lord. I would say it's the second greatest comeback. After the Red Sox were down Rio to the Yankees four which I don't think anyone will surpass. That, and let's just that for a SEC, so the Yankees Red Sox for the Red Sox have not won a world series eighty six years. They're down to their final out. Bill. Woller walked Earth Sorry Kevin Dave Roberts comes in. The daffy try and steal second. That would be the last out if he doesn't if he doesn't get there safely series over season over. No miracle. No three Oh comeback. Luckily you steals a base more a single off Mariano Rivera. They tie the game big. PAPI wins in an extras. The probably Winston and actions and next night, curt, schilling game six bloody sock. Johnny Johnny Damon's Krantz Lami in game seven and there. You have it the greatest comeback in sports history, so yes, dream on, and it wasn't just let's not just put all the blame on dream on Klay. Thompson made some comments about Lebron Abbey's feelings her in. The players as we see, they take. They take that shit seriously. The broncos offended. He came out. He bawled out in. He rightfully won. What was hits like? Yeah Dream on this game five, but he was still there for game six, and engaged seventy put on the greatest one of the greatest game, seven performances in a losing effort, putting up a near triple double. Thirty three points fifteen rebounds, nine assists and was lights out from behind the ARC which. Dream onset guy. You're going to be happy when it takes. The shop, providing the art but some games. He's just unconscious unconscious in terms of just lighting up so. That's where we see technicals becoming a big part of. The game because. Yeah, if If. WESTBROOK MISSES A game. The chances of the rockets winning especially if they're deep in the West, let's say they get to the Western Conference finals against the Lakers clippers the fact that. The chances of winning a game without James Harden or sorry with Russell Westbrook, plus the fact that they're playing a small ball lineup where they have over the height of six foot seven. Is? Very low, so it's GONNA. Be Interesting to see what we find moving forward with. The players I'm very Hear the sounds that we don't typically hear an NBA game and I. Think one thing we can do for the advantage of the home team or the team with the better record is, they can choose playlist. For the entire game. So imagine you're playing. Someone puts up some. Puts on some kind of Sandra distract the other team or some kind of reference or Maybe. Maybe the team with the better record ends up creating their own distract in has a playing. Over the megaphone during the game I think that would be. I think it would make things a lot more interesting because I think there's a lot of things we can experiment with here. Do the fact that there are no fans and things that we could see moving forward. In previous years. As terrible as this whole situation is I think it gives the MBA, a lot to play with. They're already doing the. Political statements on the jerseys, which is I think great, but in my. Personal opinion, don't think in a lot of players have come up instead. This is specifically highlighted. I don't think it does much to change anything as long as as long. Going out and. Doing actual changes to our community. Political statements on the back of the Jersey rape. But what's really going to do if we don't have people going out and acting on those? Issues so. I think Rena. See A I. Think I agree here Stephen Adams. Who? He makes a good point is there's going to be a lot said that referees sometimes would pass through one go through one ear and out the other I. Don't think it's GonNa slide as much I think the are going to be a little bit tougher on what is said, and what is not said, so. It's GonNa make it very interesting in hopefully, Russell can keep. Hopefully Russell can keep it together in. Nakata's to more technical that again. That would drastically affect the rockets in a playoff series I think through what round one they'll be okay, but once again the second and third round especially in the western conference where the competition. It's maybe a little bit more relieved than the Western Conference. It's GonNa be tough to win. When you make mistakes like that and you miss in your missing year second best player so. We just broke down. The influx of technical fouls do to no fans via the building. After this break I will look at. Restore is from this past centuries of since two thousand that I think need to be relooked at in a documentary type series or Movie so stay tuned. For that and we'll be right back with. More from Jessica MC basketball podcast. Check out the show. It's built on the. From UFC two extreme cage fighting, they got the fights covered. Check out the GSM. SEE 'EM A podcast. Get the latest news on past or upcoming fights. Join us. We've talked to in about some of the biggest names in the emmy past present and future. When it's the fight game, there's just one show to checkout GSM PODCAST DOT COM backslash Mame dadge podcast. Don't forget to like them on facebook and follow them on twitter visit GSM. See podcast dot com for more INFO. And we're back with you on the MC fastball podcasts, and we are talking documentaries so currently in the age documentaries if you go on Netflix. There's a new bio. Doc. Series dropped every other week usually dealing with some sort of. Serial killer unsolved mystery. Child Molester Aka Jeffrey Line. We just saw the last dance on. The last day, anthrax actually just on Netflix. When we saw that on ESPN so really living in an era of documentaries, it's the biggest fad right now, so I wanted to go and discuss the re stories from the last two decades, I. Think would make rate documentaries in most recently. We've seen the Stephon Marbury documenting the kid from Coney Island. We've seen the Carter fact with which is into Vince Carter's popularization of basketball in Canada so I think I had a couple ideas. Some have already been announced by ESPN as future thirty for thirty, but we're GONNA diamond of them anyways, and the first one has to be. Jj, rettig and Adam Morrison so back in two thousand, five, thousand six before we saw wanted done players. This was the last time we saw to rate upperclassmen. Jj redick playing for Duke at one time was considered the most hated athlete in America and Adam. Morrison, who played for? Small time or mid major relocated. And These few players. Not only. Fought for play the player of the year honors also in the two one and two leading scores in College Basketball Morrison finished out with twenty eight point, one point and radical over twenty six points a game. So you, guys were dubbed the next great white basketball players Morrison was even being compared to Larry Legend. which you can't. You can't get any better compliment than that, so I mean. If you look at basketball today, it's. A league dominated by both sides, black players as well as European players, but we don't see many great American. Born players solely to combine this Kevin Love and Gordon Hayward. And back. In Oh five. Oh six! It was kind of the same thing. Steve Nash won back-to-back. MVP's then Dirk Lewinski but those are European Vassil. Players, not American born basketball players, so it's been a while since elitist showcase. White players born in America and radic was. Arguably the greatest shooter NC double, A. History is record of fifty seven three pointers at forty point, four percent so the guy was lights out from behind the ARC. Morrison on the other end. Was? The best score. In College basketball that year he owned, he did play for mid major in Gonzaga so he doesn't get as much credit, but in the eleven games he played since power five conference he did average, twenty eight and a half points game, which is higher than the than what he averaged that season, so the guy could play with. Play with anyone? They ended up being co-players the year neither made a huge impact in the unst NC. Double A. Tournament Morrison would lose in unfortunate fashion I was a huge ucla fan at the time. Still him ends up blowing a seventeen point first half lead and ends up collapsing ground collapsing on the ground. Here's the final few seconds. He was highly criticized in both craze for the emotions. He showed in that game. and. God it was. There's nothing like seeing a grown man with a moustache crying on national television. And I know that's harsh to say, but I mean. In retrospect is Kinda comical, but it does show how much passionately ad and. I thought someone like that. I could be a transcendent star in the NBA and hopefully take that passion build into something. Productive RETTIG also ended up losing the sweet sixteen in less dramatic fashion to Lsu. Both became lottery picks Morrison going third overall to Michael Jordan Charlotte. Bob Cats rettig eleven the Orlando Magic where he began his career. I feel like it'd be an interesting section of the DOC, you humanity. It'd be dedicated to the stigma white players in the NBA and their inability to either keep up athletically or size wise, both these players were defensive liabilities for their team, so that's. One of the reason they're MBA careers workout at first Morrison, so we have two different spectrums where things went neither started out. Neither started out that Great Morrison did get the starting job with the Bob Cats average eleven game his rookie year not too bad, but he shot a dismal thirty seven percent the next year. Tears his ACL. He's outfit in higher season. He ends up getting traded in the next year to the Lakers and to his credit he does have. A two time MBA champion. Played a total of thirty nine Games Lakers over the course of two years, but still. He's got a ring and we don't. So. You've got an props for props or deal now moving onto JJ radic. He started off slow in his career. Barely cracking the rotation, he was in and out of the lineup. And then. Finally, elite moved in a different direction towards more three-point shooting and someone like read. It became very valuable at six hundred four. He is somewhat under for to guard, but still able to get a shot off for longer more athletic players. He's now a fourteen year MBA veteran. He's averaged thirteen points per game prison higher career. He's a career forty one point six percent three point shooter that seventeenth all time. And last year at age thirty four career eighteen points. And this year he's shooting forty five point two percent on six over six attempts to game. At the top that off also podcast for Bill Simmons Reindeer Digital. Venture so he's done a great job for himself and really created himself a niche spot in the NBA. So although he didn't live up to expectations, he was still able to change horse and. Create a path himself. Moore's on the other end. Was Out of the League after less than four seasons as going overseas by by two thousand twelve, he's. The ball, he ends up being a hard time coach for Gonzaga the year. They make the championship game and. At really it's gone, it's a tale of two players going in complete opposite directions. I think it would make a great. Inside, look at what we thought back in two, hundred, five, zero six, and now how they're viewed today. We'll be onto the next concept and it's got to be Oklahoma City. And what could have been? In three consecutive. Oh seven Oh eight and Oh, nine, as tiger drafted the replays that would go on to become MVP's durant knows seven drafted second overall West Inouye drafted. Fourth overall in Hardin. In. Two thousand, nine drafted third overall. So. You have three. Dominant scores on your team. Three guys who can shoot from all three levels from APP can get to the rim, shoot the mid range and shoot providing the Arctic as well as great free. Though shoot, you can never fell any of them. and. They basically together they peak in the year twenty twelve. They get to the finals. Versus, Lebron Heat, but we all know that Lebron's hungry for that first. NBA Championship and. As good as they were, they were overmach. Lebron Chris. Bosh Wade. Were at. Their peak as A. As a trio and Durant Westbrook and Hardin were only twenty, three, twenty, three and twenty two respectively so. They were a little before their time. We all believe that there is more on the horizon that this team was gonna be the dynasty. Of the of the next entire decade that they were going to dominate aerial in championship after championship, they were GonNa. Run the Western Conference. But? During the off season after the finals, loss Harnett and the oak can't come to an agreement on a contract extension, which looking back at it is. Probably the most. Might, be one of the most idiotic move. Of the last twenty years, in terms of not resigning a player, not letting a player go just because of money. Because a contract, he signed twenty twelve. is nothing compared what he'd be signing in two, thousand, Eighteen, twenty nineteen? Twenty twenty and with the Cat Jumping He ends up signing a five year extension with the rockets for only eighty million. And here we're talking about one of the best. Scores today in the League. Making less than twenty now I mean twenty million. You and me is a ton of money or something like James Harden. Who can now probably makes them thirty million back that you're paying only? Eighteen, seventeen, million a year, looking back off looking back. At it is. Sixteen million actually and. Ridiculous so. They can't agree on a contract. Get Straight to the rockets. okay, he gets Kevin Martin Rate Three Point Score. We think that the okay see thinks he can take over what hardened brought to the table. They never made it to another finals. In Two thousand sixteen ended up losing in dramatic fashion, blowing a three one leads the warriors. We all know. Durant leaves jumped ship from Okay See to the warriors wins to championship Westbrook stays there. They had a little pity. Party between Westbrook and Durant or not speaking. Westbrook wants to stay in. Okay. See shown that you can build a winner there by himself. He ends up getting traded. To. Iraq? It's hearted in twenty nineteen out teammates. and. Within what we thought was going to be. A dynasty for the ages is already blown up and run away. So I think there's a lot we can dive into their into especially that harding trade that which marks one of the biggest trades. In NBA history completely switched. Clearly flipped the dynasty that was looking at multiple championships. Do a team that never ever made the finals again. So. My second story now on to my third and probably. As been. Overstated last couple years, but I'm talking about. The LOB city clippers is lobbying to talk about here and that's the start of how will begin Chris Paul? We'd. He's going to be traded to the Lakers the up going to the clippers who have lake riven and De'andre Jordan. Too Young guys I can really jump out on the Jim. Henson aimed lob city because the time Chris Paul, and even now still on the best passers in the League and an MBA history, they end up going to the clippers who are one of the worst franchises were one of the worst franchises in professional sports. Their owner Donald, sterling as we will find out later on gets. Hit our gets recorded on tape. Saying some very racist remarks, there's all of that dealing as well as the drama between Chris Paul and Blake. Griffin on whose team is in the tension that they have between the two. and. Despite all this drama mole everything that went into creating lob city they only they never made atoms second round. They had numerous fifty win seasons. Several years were picked as. The as the team to make it to the finals the conference. But a year after year, injuries came in. team chemistry issues and they just couldn't get over that Hump There is the twenty fifteen western conference finals where harden. And the rockets. Came back a three one deficit to beat the clippers end up getting demolished by the warriors who ended up winning the championship that year so? Another another franchise here that just didn't live up to expectations, and it just shows you that you can have the best players on paper, but you thought they'd go out at the end of the day and. Play and win the game so. There's a lot of drama here. Lob City Clipper especially that Donald Sterling. Saga that has been shown, there is a great podcast series on it on thirty for thirty ESPN's podcast highly recommend looking into that it goes deep into the background of Sterling. How he came to be the owner, which is actually very interesting, so Donald Sterling gave a loan out to Jerry Buss 'cause he wanted to buy the Lakers a couple years later, Donald. Sterling is jealous of. Jerry Buses Lakers rise in the city of La, so he decides. He wants his own team, so he buys the San Diego Clippers and This is something that would. Drive headlines as day so in the middle of the night without the leaks permission Donald Sterling. Brings us. SAN DIEGO CLIPPERS TO LA WITHOUT A without addressing the league. Or anyone so in the middle of the night he drives off to L. A. and Briggs old team there with them. Imagine if that story was released day, it would. He will go crazy. So. There's a lot of untold stories to this whole law city in Donald Sterling. I. Think would make a great documentary series so. If you guys are listening out there. I have an idea for you. Let's make it happen, so we just dove into the three three, the most interesting storylines for the past twenty years Redican, Morrison, to upperclassmen at the highest level of college basketball. Not just the fact that they were. Upper classroom the fact that they were both white American players, and they were going to change the stigma of. White players in the NBA. Unfortunately, a although read excited, great career, neither one. We're transcendent players than we discussed okay. And what could have been, and lastly the LOB city clippers, and the failed opportunities, but the fact that they made the clippers a team, an appealing team that people wanna come to and play for now outside. Just Lakers. So after this break going into Knicks, picks were staying on the documentary trail, and we're doing the best documentaries of the last ten years, so from twenty ten to twenty twenty. Stay tuned for that right after this commercial break. Out this show built around the women of MMA from the AFC to the extreme cage fighting, we got the fights cover. The golden state media concepts women's Emma made podcast the latest news of upcoming twice discussions of previous Matt's join us as we talked to about the biggest names in women's mixed martial arts. Present and future when it's the women's fight game, you know where to listen to the golden state media concepts women's MMA podcast. Welcome back. We just discussed. The. Big storylines that could one day be made into documentaries or series. That was Redican Morrison to star of replacement from the Oh five zero six basketball season that both led the nation in scoring. Along with being future lottery picks neither hand out to the extent that we thought recognize career for himself worse news out of basketball by twenty twelve. Then we looked at Oklahoma City and the trio of utera Grammy Peas, and how things didn't work out for them in the end, and lastly we looked at lob, city Donald Sterling and that whole saga that just can't do an end last season with Blake Griffin being traded to the Pistons, and now moving on to Knicks Hicks, my favorite part of the show where I dive into pop culture topics, usually somehow involving basketball or sports. We've looked at the best rappers of all time. We've done the most outlandish basketball scenes. Movies on the last episode and today. You're breaking down. The top five best documentaries of the last ten years. But as always we begin with. Honorable Mention in. Verse Honorable Mention Big is the Carter effect as mentioned the podcasts earlier. It's about the legacy, Vince Carter left in Toronto and how he made them fastball a predominantly. Predominant Sport in. Hand up before that hockey hockey hockey. It's Carter came in Manhattan seizing the Dunks, putting his hand in the rim in Oakland. The three sixties and revolutionize basketball forever in Canada and nothing shows more than last year with the Toronto Raptors winning their first NBA championship although Carter had very little effect on that. I think he's began a tradition of basketball being a trademark in Canada so the Carter. FAC, is produced and direct is produced by Lebron's companies springhill entertainment. It kinda shows how the Ron has his hands on everything. Today whether it be in in the NBA in media on the court off the core, and it is hosted or Narrated by Drake. One of the sons of Toronto so great film highly recommend. You can find it on net flicks I've actually watched the retailers now get enough of it, and then my next honorable mention goes to unguarded. So this is one of those films. It's not quite a thirty thirty two. Yes, pin film! And it talks about Chris Herren. The. I don't know if he was. The famous guard from Boston. He, Had trouble with substance abuse and drugs he. It starts with him going to Boston. College, he's supposed to be. He's supposed to bring the biggies back to prominence. He ends up getting in trouble there for drugs ends up going to Fresno State and play for. Famous unlv coach Jerry. Tarkenton. He ends up excelling there and. Ends up turning that into a second round selection thirty third pick overall by the Denver Nuggets. He goes on to become a member of his hometown. Boston Celtics and I. Think it's a great documentary it shows. What happened what can happen to your life? If you let drugs, take it over and I think it may be. Glorifies drug usage a little bit, but it kind of goes through Chris Herons. Fifteen Year Battle of addiction. He ends up leaving the Boston Celtics playing in various countries, and it shows his addiction to Oxycontin Vicodin Perkins said. And tribulations, and the ventral triumphs that he goes thrill, but It's a very. It's a very odd duck many to watch his. You want you keep on wanting him to think that he's speeding that he. Wanted to excel, but time and time again in kind of lets you down. He lets his family down to tough story to watch, but in the end he he turns it into something for good any launches. His Hoop Dreams with Chris Herren, which is A. Basketball Development Company to mentor players on and off the court, so in the end he turns addiction to something of. Now moving on to Knicks picks top five. Documentaries the last ten years and my first one I have to go with is once brothers talks about the story of the Yugoslavia civil war that was going on and the. Great the other Dream Team with. Austin Petra Vich Tony coup coach and our main star Bach and it dives in to what that country was going through and how? These players. Presented One Country? Then civil war broke out and it Kinda separated. The this Dream Team from Yugoslavia, which is a combination of several countries including. Bosnia Croatia Montenegro Serbia Slovenia and speaks about. How? There's I mean basically there's more to life than just basketball, and it shows the relationship between draws and Petra Bitch and flat rock. The players draws, and Petrovac unfortunately was killed in a car accident and came across to the United States. To play for the Portland Trailblazers ends up going to the. New Jersey Nets and Kind of goes into. Their background story so number five once brothers is an excellent thirty for thirty I recommend, you can find it on ESPN plus and now my neck's knicks picks number four requiem of the biggies and what I like about this is it shows the construction of entire basketball conference from scratch, and it's interesting to note that they had their games showed on time on ESPN. So when the Big East is right around the same time that a small little company Bristol Connecticut the SPN. Came to be. And it just shows all the politics in the money that comes into building a major power. Five Conference of bees always known as that six power five doesn't get the same recognition, but it kind of goes into. The politics at all, and it's very interesting to see how it's constructed and. Basically from the beginning to the end in twenty eleven twenty twelve, when they decided to break up the big east, and now it's been reborn and I think the biggest day has shown. Like it did back in the ninety s positives moving forward so that one's. Very Interesting Watch is see the politics of college basketball. And then moving onto another. College Basketball Story, and that is the fat five documentary, and this is something very close to my heart. Reason. I applied to Michigan the reason I went to San Diego State is because of the fat five Steve Fisher was the head coach Michigan hands of going to San Diego State. To be honest, I wasn't smart enough in Michigan, so I ended up with my second best option of beings, heart of someone who's who constructed Providence, ordinate, draft or recruiting class in the history college basketball. These guys came in Chris Webber. Jalen Rose John. Want Howard Jimmy King Ray Jackson and they came in rash, baggy shorts shaved heads, black socks. something that is now a norm today in basketball. No one wears the HIP huggers boards all about the baggy shorts and black socks. Swagger the hip hop, and how you that they brought to the game. They revolutionize college basketball, five freshman starting in. Quoting ice cube, kicking ass, and that's what they did, so that goes into whole in depth from. Them getting the five players to commit to their back to back National Championship runs in ninety, one, ninety, nine to ninety, three, the infamous time out by Chris Webber then the aftermath and Martin. Scandal Webber paid. The Keating. became the. The. Titles from that time so. That is another thirty era action ESPN film so it's. One stuck in limbo between thirty for thirty in an ESPN film, but another great documentary. Controversial in moving onto number, two nothing gets more controversial than the shut up in dribble documentary sparked by Lauren mclachlan's comments that Abhran and durant should stick to basketball and it Kinda goes. It's a three part documentary series have provides a powerful inside look at the changing role of athletes in both cultural and political environment through the Lens of the NBA. It chronicles a modern history, the league and how became? One of the. Incubators for many the top athletes to grow their rans beyond the court. So it touches upon Bill Russell and criminal diligent bar teaming up with mohammad-ali in the sixties. It touches upon. What's going on nowadays? With Donald Trump and. Lebron James Tweeting at the president calling him a bomb, so it has I'd say shelvin dribble is. By far, the most powerful documentaries of last ten years. And it's very important to see how American culture has changed. Over the course last fifty years in terms of the NBA players speaking out on issues that they. Deem important. So, Before I go into number one number five once brothers, the story of the Yugoslavia national team between glad the. Number four the rectum. Young of the Big East. Number Three Five documentary going into. The best recruiting class of all time, the University of Michigan and then number to shut up and dribble, and lastly, and by no surprise, the number one documentary the last ten years, what we witnessed this the last couple of months, and that is the last dance an in-depth Verse Person Look at the greatest player Michael Jordan and Arguably one of the greatest dynasties of all time in the Chicago Bulls and in their final season, general manager Jerry Krause. Was Planning on bringing up the team before the season even started and get. We get a first. Inside look from. The Campbell's now themselves. Michael Jordan talking about what he felt how he felt about Clyde Drexler. How he felt about Scotty Pippin. Not, fucking up his summer and everything in between so. Is Unprecedented here from the greatest player of time? His own words. Not Scripted. How! He felt about everything that was going on. So there you have. 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David Letterman

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

1:03:35 hr | 5 months ago

David Letterman

"The schools i with jesse thorn is a production of maximum fund dot org and is distributed by npr. It's eye. I'm jesse thorn by guest. This week is david lamb. Dave is of course the longtime late night talk show host perhaps the most well known of them all the late show late night the tonight show he also had his own morning show for a long time and before he was on national. Tv dave was a weatherman and local radio dj in his hometown of indianapolis indiana. I have to say that. For years when i have gotten interviewed. People have asked me the question. Who would you most like to interview in the world and along with a few of my public radio. Colleagues ira glass and terry gross and maybe the old play by play guy for the san francisco giants. Hank greenwald david. Letterman is the broadcaster who led me into a career in broadcasting is the funniest broadcaster ever. He revolutionized late night television and comedy on network television. He is in my opinion. An actual genius in this interview. We talk about dave's early days breaking into showbusiness his time in indiana in los angeles in his assent to the late show. We also discussed how his personal life intersected with his professional life letterman had multiple affairs with subordinates. On shows he hosted. He'll tell me how those relationships affected him the people around him and the workplaces. And of course we'll talk about letterman's latest project. It's called my next guest needs no introduction. You can watch it on netflix in it. Letterman sits down for a long informal chat with people who quite literally do not need an introduction. Barack obama kanye west ellen degeneres and iron man himself robert downey junior when when that thing clamps onto your head is up there or is it not really excellent question. Initially it was everything was really there. They wanted to spend as little as they could on. Cg replacement so. I remember this helmet. Went on and like there'd be a shot and i've been this whole suit and they say all right robert you're gonna like you landed on the roof so when we see action just go like that just landed and then start moving forward. So i put this helmet on and it slammed close. And i couldn't see anything and then these. Led lights went on and it was like manchurian candidate. I could. I was absolutely blinded by the doing the last avengers. They he robert. Would you mind putting on the helmet. No yes no put dots here. And then you can pick up david. Letterman welcome to bulls. I am so happy to have you on the show. Great pleasure to be here. Thank you very much for your time. Attention and interest jesse. I like that question that you asked robert downey junior. It reminds me of a show. About interviewing. Where i interviewed professional interviewers and i remember larry king told me that the question that he was most proud of or maybe it was most emblematic of his interviewing style. Was he had an an airline pilot ceo and he asked him the question when you take off in your airplane. Do you know that you're going to be able to land it. Yeah and i wonder come to think of it. i was expecting something trivial but that really is the essence. Isn't it yeah. I mean i feel like i feel like that helmet a real helmet or not a real helmet. Is you know. it's the same honest curiosity this a sort of tangential to this. When i was a kid in indianapolis and working at a television station. Which was the in those days. The abc affiliate. And i had a. i had a show. I had several shows for one reason or another but this one show we would have people on and we thought would be interesting and there was a story in the local newspaper. They at apple's star about two women who had been cab drivers in the city of indianapolis for years twenty five years thirty years and we thought well this. How can this not be great. And so they came in and they were all mike up. I was in my sutin. We were ready to go. And i introduced them. And i said so in all the time. you guys you. Women have been driving a cab. Anything in unusual ever happen. And there's a long pause. No not really. Thanks for stopping by and there. You haven't. I want to talk about when you're academy. Let's talk about when you were a kid when you were a kid Can you tell me a little bit about your parents. And what kind of people they were. My mother was older than i was and so was my father. She and my father got married when she was. I think maybe five six years younger than he was. They were both from the same. Small town in indiana the in southwestern indiana which it's day was strip mining country. They they got married moved into apples and my father got a job at a flower shop. Although i think he what he really wanted to do is get into show business. But when you're from a small town in southwestern indiana no one really knows how to get into show business or even if it's legal and she was very quiet and the hard work hardest. Working person i've known in my lifetime and she had a regular schedule of working very very hard and doing things that i believe today are probably not done regularly or if they are done regularly you call someone in to do it. Like stripping and waxing the floors like cleaning the wallpaper like changing the screens like painting the woodwork. Like rolling up the carpets and cleaning them like doing the laundry by hand by by canning fruits and vegetables out of the garden and it was endless and it It certainly made an impression on me and one would think that because of this routine this daily influence that i would be hard working but god. I just couldn't keep up with her. It was really hard. And i would mow the lawn once a week. And that was my not to my mother's in the fatigability but it was crazy. I mean a very positive trait crazy to witness. It's a very different kind of hard working from kind of hardworking that you were in our. I'm i don't want you to suggest that you're not hardworking. I won't suggest that what led you to think that your dad may be would've wanted to get into show business. Well he first of all he was funny. He had a very active strong sense of humor. He would like he would join organizations just so he could like there were a church groups that he would join a at the church way attended and he would become president of those church groups so he could be the center of attention and he would always open with funny remarks. He was a wonderful musician. It'd be could play the organ. The church organ. Just sit down and play it and if if anyone knows anything about these guns. It's like flying a helicopter. You're every everything is busy and he could just sit down and wow go crazy and My grandmother knowing that he was this good as an organist wrote to a radio station in louisville kentucky. The call letters of which escapes me now but it was an still as am clear channel. Fifty thousand watt radio station in those days. They did quite a lot of live programming which featured somebody who would play organ music interludes between programs or as part of the programs and unbeknownst to my father. My grandmother Wrote a letter to the station in louisville w. h. a. s. I think maybe the station asking if it would be possible for for them to audition my father for for a job there and if if that had happened i think my father would have been so much happier in his life and our lives would have been quite a lot different but it didn't happen so he then continued to find circumstances in his life where he could entertain and and the i think most memorable one was when he discovered he was alcoholic and joined alcoholics anonymous again he became president of the local a group and he would run the meetings and he would be at the center of attention he would have funny stories and so it was always apparent that this is a need that he had and a skill that he was really good at and the gesture of my grandmother recognizing this and trying to get him an audition i think is a lovely looking back on it now i never really gave much thought to when i learned of it but it was a lovely selfless gesture and i wonder what would have happened did your mom your dad was finding no as she didn't she My mother is taciturn and when she was being contemplative or just being herself her. Her face gave the impression that she was upset or unhappy and this had a huge effect on the kids. We would always mommy. You're right is no. I'm i'm fine. I'm just thinking so that we had to learn to overcome that because the visual three was that. Oh my god something. Something's wrong here. We got a but routinely was not because when something was wrong she would become more demonstrative. She was a wonderful character on your show for many years to cheat like going on. Yeah she she enjoyed it and she was the most liked thing about that show and not not surprisingly but I will say this is true for anybody. The the woman that we saw on the show was not the was not the way my mother was when i was growing up. But you know. I was not the way i was growing up when i was on the show either. So that's no diminishment of her. It's just that we get to see a different person. And it was great it. Oh she was a high point for her at a at a stage of her life. Would you don't get to do a lot of exciting things. She found it very exciting and People liked her and knew of her and always asked about her so it was a good thing and certainly good for the show. She was great for the show. I like to. I am imagining right. Now how taciturn. She must have been in your childhood to have been significantly more taciturn than she was on your. Because i want to say that. But you're exactly. This is the dynamic discussing. Yes absolutely. How old were you when your father died twenty seven. That must've been immensely difficult. Well for anyone you know. There's no. I guess the circumstance where dad is one hundred and passes away in his sleep. I i've not experienced that. And i don't know people who have. But you know the the myth medically off at holds up as well. You know died peacefully in his sleep. I i wonder if that death in one sleep is preceded by misery and agony in the sub-conscious but we won't know certainly not gonna find out on this program but i can remember getting the call in the middle of the night knowing exactly what it was. My younger sister called when when my wife said your sisters on the phone i i knew and And you know. I drank my way through that. That's how i got through that. I just my next door neighbor. Had a court of some canadian whisky canadian club or whatever it was on. I just that was my constant companions through everything. Though the worst of it is picking up the coffin. the casket. That's just that's brutal ugly unpleasant. And but just i was drunk the whole time so i managed it my. I lost my dad this year. And how old was he. He was seventy six it. What were the circumstances. If it's in a my business He he had cancer but he also He had progressive dementia so He had he was present in the moment but but not much further than that. By the time he passed away so in some ways i was like more scared of him going beyond that in his in his dementia than than passing away from the cancer. The cancer is what killed him. The cancer ultimately was what killed him. Yeah yeah And how long had he suffered the dementia. I mean it. you know. He had had He'd been he was forgetful in his forties. You know but probably fiver seven years. It had gotten to the point where he would forget to make himself launch after went downstairs to make lunch and that kind of thing and that a predated the cancer diagnosis. Yeah so he was very He was very convivial man and that was one the things that i immediately missed like. It wasn't just you know father-son intimacy. But i just missed hanging out with them You know what i mean and i. I wonder if you enjoyed spending time with your dad in that way and missed that piece of at well i. it's an interesting question My father worked six days a week so we didn't really get a chance to hang up much. There was a vacation once a year for about a week. And it would be a car trip to a convention for f- td the flora's telegraph delivery. And that was it. We didn't hang out so much. But i i loved him and what i when he died. I went through. A panic. may be fueled by the liquor. But that i i'd forgotten what he looked like. And that that scared the crap out of me because i thought whoa wait a minute. Here's a man. I've known all my life and i'll never see again and i can't remember what he looks like. And that was the deep troubling panic befell me. So maybe that's a form of actually missing him. You know we had activities but he just didn't have the time to spend with the kids. I asked you whether you're bomb. Thought your dad was funny. Did your mom think you're finding. I don't i don't think so not not many. No i don't think i was. I used to get my mouth washed out with soap so in terms of you put that in show business terms. That's kind of the ultimate heckler Here let me show you how unfunny i think you are. I shove bar soap. And so i think that was No i i don't know but i don't know that she had to. I don't know that she needed to. She raised three kids. As far as i can remember. All of us had happy childhoods with the exception of the bar of soap here and there but it just now do seemed like we'll what was that all about. I mean it certainly was a deterrent and it. It's not the most unpleasant thing a person can endure but it now it just seemed like oh come on seriously. The bar soap in a. It doesn't doesn't seem to have scarred me. But i don't know if she was funny or not. I can remember when she was on the show. If i would make an alleged joke it would be met with own. David which led me to believe. She didn't get it or didn't like it and then she'd come after me with a bar soap and i a good lord. I'm forty leave me alone. We have more with david letterman. Still to come. We found a recording of letterman's radio real from one thousand nine hundred sixty nine. And we're going to make david letterman. Listen to it. It's bullseye for maximum fun. Dot org and npr message comes from npr sponsor. Smart water smart. Water is for the curious drinkers. The ones who are always looking for ways to make things a little bit better. That's why smart water created two new ways to hydrate smart water alkaline with nine plus ph and smart water antioxidant added selenium. And now you can order smart water by saying alexa order. Smartwater smart water. That's pretty smart. Congratulations you won a ticket to attend an exclusive opportunity in a relaxing environment with two lovers. This sounds like a sort of proposition of sorts. But really it's an ad for our podcast wonderful. It's show we do here on. Maximum fun where we talk about things that we like and things that were into rachel mcelroy and you just heard griffin mcelroy. And we are excited for you to join us as we talk about movies music books. Things like sneezing or the idea of rain. Get news or information you can use absolutely you cannot because we're here to talk to you about pumpernickel bread even find new episodes on wednesdays so catch. Catch the way leave. Welcome back to bullseye. I'm jesse thorn. This week. my guest is david letterman. Letterman is of course a longtime talk show host. He hosted over six thousand episodes of late night. And the late show these days. He has another show. It's called my next guest. Needs no introduction. That shows third season just hit netflix's. Let's get back to my conversation with david letterman. You must've at some point. Had the idea you were going to go into show business. 'cause you went to you majored in broadcasting in college. Did you think you were going to be a comic or an actor or a a tv weatherman. Which is you know one of your first jobs. Young thank you. We're going to host a tv show about the four h. Club for the rest of your life. Another win your jobs right. Did you have a scheme. no. I didn't have a scheme i it was so good. I was so lucky that. Because i couldn't i didn't get very good grades but i took a class at public speaking when i was in a sophomore in high school. And you had to get up and give an ad lib four or five minute introductory speech in front of the class. That was our first signed. And i did that and it was the only thing i can remember doing in school. That seemed effortless. Everything else was difficult. And from from that day i thought to myself ok. This problem is solved. You just have to find a place that'll pay you to do that. And the only logical place seemed to be radio or tv so i studied radio and tv and then immediately started. I got a job in at the same television station when i was still in college. So that was. That was very fortunate. And i don't know how it works now if it's easier or harder to get a job at radio or tv or show business than it used to be. Just don't know. But i i knew at the time me getting a job in show. Business or television was really easy at the. I got very lucky. My friend of mine Jerry norris his brother dick. Norris worked at television station and they were looking for a summer announcer and so dick said well. How your friend dave. Come down and audition side. I went in just as kind of a hoot and for I don't know why. But they gave me the job. And i worked there for three or four years During and after college dave. I'm sorry to do this to you. But we do have a clip of of your real from. I think in nineteen sixty nine. I'm sorry to do this you jesse. But i'm getting chest pains. So i'm gonna have to call the medics. So don't be alarmed. I'm leaving now. This is dave letterman inviting you to blow off all attention from that first week of classes this weekend at teen go a mile east coast road on pendleton. Pike friday night the action is with yours truly and the irresistible force moved to it from eight thirty to twelve saturday night michael t john griffin joins the brand exit teen co and the action happens all over again. Remember the place to blow of all that steam. This weekend is team co a mile east of post road on pendleton pike. Friday night from eight thirty little twelve years truly and the irresistible force and saturday nights. Same time eight. Thirty to twelve. Michael t john and the brand x. The places teen co one mile east of post road on pendleton. Pike team code. I i have no memory of that. That's are you certain that's me. It's a heck of an impression. If it's that's just crazy own lord but i'll tell you something. If if i had stayed doing that the rest of my life. I probably would have been just as fulfilled as i have having taken the other road. Do you think that's true. I mean i feel like in in reading about your life and career there is a really big inflection point. Which is that. You have a local television career going. You have a job that is you know reasonably locally prestigious. you know some guy that appears on the local. Tv news is a is a big star in anywhere but los angeles and new york. You know what i mean. And you're whatever twenty six twenty seven twenty eight years old. You left town. You've do packed it. All up in a car and went to los angeles to become a stand up comedian try and host television programs said but you know had if i had listened to that teen coast spot. I don't know that i would've ever left. Because that was solid gold combined. What were you got those. You're basically printing money. What what the hell was teen co. I mean honest to god. You know what happened. There's always You said selection is that what you said the inflection yeah inflection. I heard a joke. The other night about a guy who called a yoga place was going to sign up for yoga lessons and the woman said. Oh that's great to have you join. One of our classes may ask. Are you flexible. And he's the one. I can't be there tuesday anyway. Yeah it was the tonight show. That changed everything. Because you would see young men and women making their comedic debut on the tonight show and the next day or two they would become huge huge stars thanks to johnny carson. And i thought oh. I wonder how you can do that. And then the became aware of the comedy store on sunset boulevard which was a feeder system for comics to the tonight show and once i found out how it was done i thought okay well now just a matter of getting it line and seeing if you ever get your number called in as at a bakery did you have an act. No of course. Well t. v.'s. Never went to go can get into team. Did i mean if this team wore warhol in front of me in line sure he got into team but the team co so. You're not there's no alcohol involved so what is going on. A team co one wonders by way of entertainment finger cigarettes. I guess Yeah so. I thought maybe i would go out there and a trion act because they the comedy store had Beginners night and you could go in and and get on stage trier two or three or four or five minutes. And and that's what i did and i started with that and kept building on that too. I got right up to the height of mediocrity in terms of standup comedy and then took off like a rocket. When did you get sober. Nine hundred and eighty four eighty three something like that. Yeah eighty four summer of eighty four. I believe so you are. You're very well into your career. By the time you got clean. I started when i was a kid Which is a i think in those days. It was the kind of era when there was a a glass cut cigarette dish on the coffee table. So anybody who came over when a light up in the living room could just line up. And there's always liquor being served so i i had my first taste When i was a kid right around christmas it was scotch and soda. And i thought wow not only. Is this tasty. It makes you feel much better than i felt a moment ago. So i put in. I certainly put in some hard years. And then I decided i lost one show the morning show got taken away i. I don't know how long that was on. It seemed both quick. And i just don't know but it came and went nonetheless so when i got the second show i thought jeez vice. Screw this up. i'll be o-o-one too. So i realized that drinking every night was an impediment could be an encumbrance. And i would never forgive myself if i drank away this opportunity so i just Bang zoom quit for you thinking about your dad. Well i knew. I had a problem because of him but i didn't know that it has affected me the way it affected him so and several doctors had questioned me about why my liver was larger than it needed to be and i would just say oh i. You know. Term the factor. I got the big liver. So i knew i was in trouble. One way or the other You know by the diagnosis or by the history of my family. But i just could not have lived with myself. If i screwed up by being drunk and lost the show which i think could have happened but it didn't and i got i i i forget now that even ever drank. It's been so long. Do you remember how it changed the way you live your life. I mean did you. Were there things that you had to look at that. You had that you had been avoiding looking at her or parts of your life where you could do things that you weren't able to do before. Well what i know now. Is that My entire life. I've found ways to self medicate and Cigarettes and alcohol was certainly one The other one was the television show because if the television show went well i would feel good about myself. So there's the medication of that. And i was lucky enough to do that for a long long time. And if the television show didn't go well i would. I would punish myself and be upset and embarrassed and embarrassed for the people who worked with me and embarrassed for the fact that i was on american television network and then the but the good part was i got to try it again the next day so you could overcome that so that was a fairly good good version of self-medication an inbetween. I started running and some people do it to the extreme and i was never extreme but that was also self medication but again a positive version of that. Yeah i get the impression that From reading about you and your show and having talked to people who worked on your show that your relationship to the show changed as you did it over. I mean you you were on. You did some version of your late night. Talk show for almost thirty five years right but that over time you sort of receded. Further and further from the production Were you aware that you were you were doing that. I mean was that something that you were I think it was. I think in my case. I it's just hard. Do spend that level of effort at attention to the same thing for that length of time and also in in the beginning i was feeling my way through this and the last thing i wanted to do is have another show cancelled so i didn't know whether it was safer to be more of a regular talk show or safer to be a different kind of talk show that might attract an audience that a usual ordinary talk show might not so as always a bit of push and pull and then we had restrictions from the tonight show which was useful because we Pretty quickly realized that well. Maybe we would be better off doing an unusual kind of talk show and then i was so lucky because the people involved from the beginning of that show and the morning show. Were so good that i could kind of recede and concentrate more on other aspects of the show so that continued to to move along as the show moved along and Also i think after awhile you just it takes quite a lot out of you. Emotionally certainly did me emotionally and creatively and on and on so at that point i just started to rely on what the writers and producers and directors were were doing more than actual daily input. I would still have ideas but The the heavy lifting was done by the writers of the the other people in production. When i was very young. I worked on a radio show with a really wonderful gifted host. He would walk on stage. It was a live on stage in front of an audience show. He would like park his car three minutes before. Live air sort of walk on stage. And and do the show. And i worked with the producer of the show and she would you know. Try and get him on the phone a couple times a week and he wasn't rude he just wanted to be his own and at the time i was like i don't understand how he could run this. Show be the boss of this show and never show up. And then years later when i had my own shows and you know my own staff and business and stuff like that. I really felt the appeal of resisting Because i think. I just i wanted to take all the responsibility and like have control over everything but but not by intervening by like limiting the scope of my world. Yeah and so. I just sit here in my home office where i'm talking to you from now rather than sit at my desk in the office office just because someone might come talk to me sitting at the office. Well this is interesting. Because i've never heard anybody else. Express this in their own circumstances the way i felt it in my circumstance it it it does take a toll. Somehow i don't know physically emotionally psychically. I remember talking to dennis miller when he had a A late night. Talk show or a syndicated talk show or something and we were talking about just this very thing and he said. Don't let me ask you this. He said every time. I turn around. I'm standing there. The curtain ready to be introduced tonight said. Yep that's the way that goes because time compresses and the next thing you know it's tuesday and then the next thing you know it's wednesday and then the next thing you know it's five years ten years twenty years and if you could gird yourself or in your case hide it's i think it self-preservation is a factor of it. I mean i think there are people who embrace that who like enjoy that i mean. There's certainly i know comics. Who liked the fact that if they go up on stage and eat it that they just going up again that night somewhere else or or the next night that they they like just being there in the moment and they liked the fact that there's always a shot but but to me as somebody who hosts a weekly show. That feels like a all consuming. I feel like to do a daily television show for any length of time much. less thirty. Three years terrifies me. Because of how all consuming it is it's all consuming and you don't realize that because as you describe somebody doing stand up comedy chances are that's the be all and end all of that industry whereas you're doing a television show you've got hundreds of people interested in hundreds of different things and of course since you're lucky enough to have your name on the show A lot of it comes by you and you think i'm not very good at this kind of thing. Tell me who the who. The guy was parked his car three minutes before air. I just loved that story. Well we're gonna have to take it. We're going to have to take it out of the show. 'cause i don't want to embarrass him but it was west coast live said thomson and said i remember one week. The producer of the show. Kathy goldmine is. I was twenty three twenty four years old. Something like that. And i'm not getting paid to work on the show. And we were at the freight and salvage a club in berkeley and said she had gotten stuck in traffic and the theme music was playing and i was standing down stage center holding the microphone because cathy had said you have to start. The show of szeged doesn't get here on time. This is great and while the theme music was playing came in the state came through the door. Now i'm interested. Why if said were to hear this. Now i don't know what about this would be unflattering to because this just fills me for admiration for a guy i've ever met. I'm glad he's just very very gifted host. I just love the idea that he's parked his car on his way to the theater. That's cool so especially i think. In the mid late eighty s you had a reputation for for being mean to guests. And i wondered if you felt like you were picking on guests on purpose If that was your intent or if you were surprised that people reacted by. I know exactly what this is. Because the first time i hosted the tonight show and one of the guests the first guest out so this is my first ever behind the desk behind johnny's desk and the first guest comes out and it was. I think it was jayne meadows. I'm not sure. And before she even sat down. And i said oh they must have had a sale on jewelry or something said some stupid joke about she was wearing big jewels and I got roasted for that people. That also mean why the woman and what it was i. I was so driven to the goal of letting people know forcing people to know that i was funny. That it later seemed Aggressive well from the beginning seemed aggressive and therefore mean and i. I'm well aware that i yeah. That was a mistake. I didn't. I wasn't being mean. I just wanted to prove. Yeah what i guess. I'm funny So i do apologize a of people and again. If i were starting out i would but again. If you're starting out all you want people to know as you're funny that's all ahead. That's all i ever had was i can. I can try to make people laugh. And i wasn't about to waste time. I i mean. I didn't even wait till the the the woman was succeeded in the chair before i made fun of her jewelry. Thank you yeah. We'll be right back and that's like that's fear talking right. You're in front of an audience. That's exactly what it was used. You spent thirty three years doing daily show. And the way you talk about it now makes me wonder if you would have made an entirely different choice retrospectively. A in terms of what i did for living in terms of the length of the run in terms of. Yeah i think you i. I'm not suggesting that you wouldn't have gone into show business or he wouldn't have done comedy. But i wonder the way you talk about going out and doing a tv show every day for that length of time whether you feel like that might have been even in part mistake. Well perhaps but as all i could do. There's nothing else i can do. I could have written for a show. Maybe i don't know But i i couldn't i can't. I can't do anything. I don't have any. I mean anytime asked to participate in a comedy presentation like schedule or something. I i don't i feel i don't know i can't do it. I i can't act. I can't sing. I can't dance All i can do is fun of somebody in their jewelry so i've i've kind of gotten to the point where the best part of this for me was actual talking and i don't know when this happened but it evolved where i The fear of making people laugh diminished. And the idea. That a person that i don't know but who i admire. I can talk to. That became highly appealing and toward the end. The last ten years or so we would be an editing. Almost airtime trying to cut down the talk segments. Because i couldn't stop talking to who whomever the guest was. so that is a A residue of the show. But it's not not so much different. I mean honestly. I'm i don't know what else i can do. And and ask. Ask my son for heaven's sakes i i. I do everything at about a c minus level. And i guess that's good enough for a talk show. We'll finish up with david letterman. After a break. Stay with us. We have so much more to talk about with dave. After the break we answer the eternal question. How many spiderman can you fit into a jama juice. And where did they get the idea to put them. In there also wizards. There were also some wizards. it's bullseye for maximum fund dot org npr support for this podcast and the following message. Come from today. Ticks with the today ticks app. Getting tickets to your favorite shows is a fast easy process. This cyber monday us today. Ticks is your go-to hub for everything from theater. And arts to comedy and opera. Tried today ticks. Now by going to today ticks dot com slash bulls eye and use promo code bullseye to get ten dollars off your first purchase since the nineteen eighties. Hip hop and america's prisons have grown side-by-side investigate disconnection to see how super and holds us down hip hop is talking about what we live trying to live. The american dream fell in at the american dream. I'm sending. I'm rodney coma. Listen now to loud than a riot. Podcast from npr music. We chase the collision a rhyme and punishment in america. It's balls i'm jesse thorn. If you're just joining us my guest is david letterman. For over thirty years. Dave was a late night. Tv host in this public radio hosts opinion the best. Whoever did it these as his newest project is on netflix. It's an interview show called. My next guest needs no introduction. The third season just dropped. Let's get back into the interview. I want to play a bit from the show because the teen co spot that i. I can't even begin to tell you how much of my mind is occupied by this bit. At any given time. I think it probably ranges from like two to twenty eight percent of my of my mental capacity is occupied by this bit from from the late. Show your cbs show. That's called how many spider-man's fitna jamba juice. And this is a static shy. So you've got a locked off across the street. Shot of a jumba juice in manhattan. That has a big picture window. And you're in the studio at your desk With a walkie talkie or a telephone handset or or something like that and you're sending guys in spiderman suits a broad variety of people in man sues some spiderman like their physique some less so in into the studio and as we as we're about to listen in you've just sent in three spiderman simultaneously bringing to a total of five spiderman in the jumba juice. At five we ran out of the red boots black boots one of the spiderman i did. Let's just let this simmer for a moment. i wonder if we get them to mill around. I don't know could you guys mill around a little bit like you're at a high school dance or something. Yeah that's kind of a meet and greet say id everybody hey. How's it going here. You get a lotta spiderman in these places at these prices. You won't get many more right. Send in five. Let's run all the way up to ten point where you run out spiderman and start sending in wizards dave. Do you have a feeling for how you what the right kind of dumb thing to do on. Your show was well. That's a. that's an excellent question because they're in the world of dumb things you would think there is no right thing to do but this is a prime example of the right thing to do and again it. It Hearkens to our discussion previous. Which is as you can see. I'm not doing anything here. This was my idea. They told me what the idea was. All i have to do is make a wise ass remarks and in people in costumes it may or may not be spiderman and i don't know what the outcome was hoped war whether it would be the police would come or it's it's clearly. It's a peaceful demonstration But it is civil disobedience in a java juice and i don't know but it was It it delights me now to have been part of that. When when i hear it is yeah the thing i like about that is i think in those days you might not have seen much of that on television. No i think that was. That was pretty much. The golden age of senate spiderman juice restaurants on television. Doing it on mad about you at the time but it again one wonders because i was always a stickler and it was my way of saying no to many things i said i would say to whoever alright. We need a beginning a middle. What we don't seem to have here as an end and usually would kill the bit. So i would have to worry about extending myself but this clearly has no end but yet it was endless. Fun for man. We did it off. I think the only time we really got in trouble was tax time. It was h. and r. block and we sent in. I'm not sure what we sent in. But it was the same joke and the h. and r. block. People i don't remember was h or are but one of them got really worked up and came running out and was threatening people with the short forms and we had to had to call a halt to it. A lot of your show especially in the early days was built around kind of odd symbols of mid-century camp things like canned hams. And i think you had a reputation at the time for being for being some kind of off on terry blah like you like your dismissing all that stuff like you were contemptuous of all that stuff and i kind of wonder if it wasn't maybe a little bit the other way around like you really love a watermelon exploding or a canned ham and i wonder what are your favorite corny things. Well the canned ham. This is leftover from adolescence. I can remember as a child thinking it was odd. That here was this can full of meat and then when you could get pretty much five ten twenty pound ham in a can. I dunno i just thought. Is this the best delivery version of of pork. It amused me i can remember. We would give them out before in the in the audience. Warm up and i took a question one night from a guy and they said you know those can hamza said yes sir and he said that i was here about four years ago and he gave me a canned ham and i said well. Congratulations you're one of the lucky few. And and he said. I went home and i put it on my mantle in the family room about two years later the thing exploded today dumb ass. I think you're supposed to refrigerate. But i mean you did ten thousand will it floats. I was never disappointed to see. Will it float on the that again. That's me being lazy. I mean rather than dave. That's true i'm not going. I'll grant you that. It was a well used runner. Okay but various something. There was something about your genuine glee. The question of whether something would float that is that feels like something that could be on that like soupy sales could be host. Yeah or something well. That's that's flattery. But i i just as an idea as an experiment in the physics displacement you know it seems like yeah that is infinitely refundable just. Let's see let's see if this let's if that's lots and and often surprising results so there you go You could've learned something if you were paying attention. So i appreciate that the vote of support for will. It floats one of my favorite parts. In in jason's intimate biography of you is him basically quoting a series. That's how i remember it anyway. Basically quoting a series of writers in you know the the writers on your show that he talked to where progressively further from frequent direct interaction with you over the years of the show and you were a more famous person and more you know legendary comedy figure type dude And they were a little scared of you by the end but like it's clear that the one thing that they all shared was immense pride in thinking of a joke. Not only that you would approve. Not not just that you would like the perfect joke. But they had thought of a joke that had a word in it that they thought you would enjoy saying that. And they would like they would be that was what gave them their. That was how they knew that daddy loved them was when they was when they were like. Oh he's gonna enjoy saying mckee or whatever. Yeah yeah well good. I'm glad that they found some enjoyment out of those years. Did you think later wh- whether they were having enjoyment out of those years here was what i thought would work to try and be generous in ways to indicate my pleasure with their service. And that's that was my philosophy. And now i realized that while that was a philosophy. I don't know that it conveyed the meaning. I hoped it would and perhaps more personal interaction would have. But this is what i wanna talk about when i left to show. I realized i had been there too long. And i now know so many more things about myself. So many more things about people in the world. That i would were i to be thirty again. Given a show with that information. I would run it completely differently and one of the first things i would do. It would be a term limits. I i don't think you you know if you can't get it said in the first five or six years of tv show. It's gonna happen in thirty years but it becomes. I guess like a daily newspaper where you know there enough things coming in that one can comment on or make fun of. But there's no reason for these things to last that long. certainly not. In my case. In johnny's case i see clips of him for two or three to the last year. And it's the same it just so consistent so effortless not trying hard not breaking a sweat that it was easy easy to watch and and heart heart dimissed when it was going. I mean i'll say that i also think for a viewer. Which is the position. I was in. There is a lot of value to in daily. Show like yours to visiting your friend. You were certainly my television friend. You know what. I mean like i the length of that relationship. Even if you're not saying something is meaningful. And i think especially in the later years of your show often the the best segments. Were you turning to paul shaffer and sang a little funny thing that happened to you which were the ones that were you know closest to being social rather than having something to say right and so it's kind of a different thing but yeah that there's two pieces to that one of which is a credit regis philbin. Who wants to me. Just the best at what he did and he began every day of his life on television. Talking about how a joy burned the bacon or couldn't find his loafers and because it was regis and you just automatically loved him. That was that was great. So i i remember thinking. I wonder if i could do that. I wonder if i can emulate that. That was the and the be of it was was paul shaffer who I grew really love over the years because he and i were out there every night. Good and bad night after night after night. But how many shows but it was always and myself and i felt like a paul and i were in the trench together and nobody else has the same expectations for same reaction to that experience. Besides myself and paul. So i felt very comfortable talking to paul about it but the initial thought of doing that and that i got to the point where your ego films you and you think this will be so much funnier than anything else. I can do. Baby that's true one out of one hundred but typically not that true but on the other hand. I don't know that regis was the funniest man on television but he was certainly the guy you wanted to watch. You had a lot of romantic relationships with people who worked on your show and you know you obviously dealt with that on the air late in the show's ryan you've dealt with it since and talked a lot about your regrets in that area one of the things that at the time on the air. You didn't talk a lot about was because you were understandably focused on the effect that this had on your family Was the effect that it had on your workplace. Have you changed how you see like well. I guess two questions one is did. Did you realize the effect it was having on your workplace when it was happening in the you know eight or nine d saw whenever and did your thoughts about how it was affecting your workplace or have. They changed since well. I i have to say that a lot of my life was led an ignorance and it wasn't until after the fact that i realized how damaging that situation was and the absolutely of like i said i've changed quite a few things about how i feel and thinking about other people in relationships with him and what what's a positive way to live one's life that i never gave much thought to. I was always more concerned with the The hour between five thirty and six thirty or four thirty and five thirty. Whatever it was that that was all consuming and all consuming too. I think Things that needed attention for me didn't get the right kind of attention. So i have learned from that the realize i was making mistakes and try to make amends. What's it like to live with those feelings of remorse. Well a talk to people and they have said to me. You can't change it. this all happened. You're responsible all anyone can do is as apologize and do what mending is is is required or needed or at least attempted to mend. And don't don't do that again and as clumsy as that sounds. That's the basis. For how. I'm looking at life though dave. I've taken too much of your time but thank you very very much. Just please going to hear it one more time seriously. At least let me hear cavern lease to hear about teen co just once more. 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BB22 | Eviction Episode Recap | Thursday, Sept 17, 2020

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BB22 | Eviction Episode Recap | Thursday, Sept 17, 2020

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We'll everybody welcome back to rob has a podcast here live on Thursday night first. Night of the jury and we've got a lot to talk about here tonight with our panel after victory night where we saw friend Ian, Terry, go out who once upon a time was with us on all the eviction nights now, just with us in spirit and here to help us break it all down. Let's bring in the man who covers it all. Always class years well Karen. Armstrong Tarot. The hardest night of my life rob. Yes I don't know what to do fair. All these nights have been very hard. Yeah. You could check the check the mirror check mayor make sure your. Cams already. All right. All right. All right. Talk about it all. With Karen, very excited to have with us here on update the Great Mel. Hulse is here Mel, how are you? I'm doing great as as good as can be on a sad day. Wear the classy leaving but I'm really I'm really just on this podcast talk about my cookbook Mel's delicious celebs. So if y'all checking on twitter. We'll talk about it. You're. Going to serve. Always start with the plug that's the way to go. Okay. All right Last week Chapelle was wearing the Ray Lewis Ravens Jersey here. That people representing the Ravens Maris Ravens Fan to Jason. Reeves. Back, Jason, how are you? I couldn't let Chapelle come on and claim the Raymond Hood ahead to add to follow it up with. A fellow Ravens Fan. That's that's how we have tracked down to be a class of two thousand, twenty, two Ravens tailgate. Not. Raven tailgate. Cherry Kuwait. Okay. All right, Jason. Good to have you back as well here tonight as we talk about the eviction. We have a new H H at some point if the feeds come back up although Tara have this right that it's been. Until. What after the West Coast, airing of the episode Yeah. The couple of weeks before last week, the feeds have been down until basically Yeah. The the West Coast aired the episode last week it was endurance competition. The feeds came up right away for the competition and then they went down for a little bit but if they're going to go by what they had been doing the last. Couple of weeks previous than they might not be back for another three hours or so. Okay. So we'll see. We've let the chat be loosey-goosey. Now, if you WanNa talk about spoilers, you can do it in the chat go ahead. Have added Chat. Okay. This do what we do whatever you want. All right. There you go. All right. So let's talk about this night where Ian Terry very sadly went home. Jason. I feel like that part of the story tonight though was IAN win out but it was really Nicole story tonight. I was a Nicole's Oscar performance tonight for sure you know the way to edit with really set it up was you know it was was her her tragedy that was happening in the midst of of leaving, which was a minor story I at this point but Taryn for those of the listeners and viewers who have not kept up with the live feeds with this an accurate story that we learned tonight. In, Kohl's losing her brother her best friend it's been very hard for her. You know it's So. Nicole. This is her third time playing. She's aware of how the show is edited she. Here. This is the story of Nicole's week right. She did try to. Keep Ian around she did she did want to stay for her game that make made sense for her game. She tried she failed she lost out to cody who was just better at doing it. And she got shut down by Christmas by Memphis and even by Danny, and at that point she shifted her focus from trying to keep Ian around to trying to make sure that she did not look like a monster to the audience and those are her words. That's She even said to cody like the I like They definitely have a segment of me going around to everyone asking to keep Ian She talked about what she was just today before the show she talked Christmas about what what can I say in my before I cast my vote to make it like to make me not seem like such a bad person and she liked practiced a couple of different statements that she might say. Ultimately, she went with this the hardest decision in my entire life yet. So you want to hear it. Okay. Yes. This was a business was so hard for Nicole. France old. Do. She was in. Like five seconds later that's not a great performance she after she went there, she went to the mirror in the room. You see her she's making sure like I have enough tears my crying and. She was like she was like I think she was like composing because she can't come out of the room crying or it gives away the game because something else that they didn't show is that she is going to pretend that she did vote to keep in two days von and Kevin Yeah pretend that is the one that. Okay. All right. Yeah. That's an important part of for people who are not following the live feeds also again, this is the part of the story where this is going to be you know through the the needle she's going to have to try to make this work were talking about this part of the plan of what Nicole is trying to spin. Yes. So in order to get away with voting Ian out this week. And to not have him blow up her game or blame her too much. She has helped orchestrate a five to three votes split where. Devan Kevin and David are all voting to evict in thinking that Nicole is with them as a fourth vote that they will tie the vote and that Danny will then evict tyler danny would not have evict siler in that spot and Nicole did not actually plan on voting with them. As we saw, she voted against Ian, and so it it went to a five to three vote with David Kevin and day as the only. Votes to keep in however devante and Kevin do not trust. David and he has been talking for most of the week about wanting to keep tyler because they were under the impression that they von had manipulated Danny into putting up on the block because he was a core member of their group and that tyler was the one of the outs and he wanted to keep tyler because he felt like that was the better play. That just made Devan and Kevin think that David is secretly in a guys alliance again, and so they think that he's secretely working with Tyler and isn't a vote for them. So when David came to them this morning saying I'm on board to to evict tyler, they were like I don't know if we can trust this and they even they had a conversation with the Colle where they were like we hope that he votes with us but we're not sure and that played perfectly into what Nicole wanted to do because she was like Oh. Yeah I hope he doesn't screw us over. And so now I imagine what is happening or what will happen is that the blame will immediately fall onto David. Nicole will pretend that she voted to keep Ian and it will be on David to try and prove his innocence here. Okay. All right lot of moving parts here that I understand that. Okay. Let's try to throw off Dave van and Kevin but mel in terms of Nicole's. Relationship that she's really concerned about her relationship with the viewers they do you think that she got away with this one? Say Ian they're the ones you really cares. That's that's the one she leaves. Sponsors. Well. It's hard because you bet the casual viewers they're seeing only what's in this episode you're seeing her upset it'll be interesting to see how they explain the next part of her plan. If they do go into the next episode and say Okay my Master Plan was to frame David and it's like wait are you actually were you upset about in then but I don't know if I trust the the the facebook. Your viewers to to draw that kind of connection. So I think she'll get away with this time. Jason. The do you think that there will be any animosity coming recalls way because the on twitter it seems like people are upset with Nicole about this plan. I don't think get getting Mossy from like most of the casualties because they really spun her in a good light this episode but from must for. The. Live we know was really going on like I. was watching the feeds not even like four hours ago and all this was still going on where she was. You know. Basically tricking Ian von and Kevin and David into thinking she was avoiding with them. So I think we know what's going on the casuals will still see her in the white that she wants to be seen. Tear it does seem like that, Ian. Did by all this hook line and sinker. Yes, Ian this morning was very excited because he he he felt like he had flipped David the night before and by flipping David felt like he'd have the votes. Now Nicole did try to temper his expectations by saying I really don't trust David I. DON'T Trust Kevin I. Don't trust that. This is GonNa all through. And and he said Oh yeah you know. But at least it's something I feel like I've got like a twenty percent chance. To stay and so I am I believe assuming nothing changed while the feeds were down he went into this vote acting hoping that it would be a tie that Danny would keep him. You know unbeknownst to him even if it was a tie Danny woodhead victim. Meld. The thing I just don't understand is the does Nicole come off looking good still if she would have been the tie vote, it's like so tantalizing of that. You could have saved him if you wanted to but you didn't you back down. Yeah I guess. Well, it depends on how they show what Danny would have voted because I. Don't think Danny own episode what way she was going to break ties to and calls able to be like, oh, well, did he was going to send him home? Anyway so I don't know I'm sure she'll find a way to to tell the producers how to to Spin Her story are they? Balanced the the. The perception and also she's Domanski per game intact. I think she knows if she tied it up, that would mean bad things for her game Yeah. Taryn at what point this week did Nicole shift from okay. Let me give it the college. Try to save the end to okay. Let me now shift my gear into the public appearance that I'm trying to save in. Well. He you know he and went up on the block on Monday and I would say that all the way through Wednesday she was still trying she's still trying to convince. Danny. Through Danny, they tried to convince Memphis they tried to convince Chris she had a couple of tries. Is a couple of tries. Couple of tries. Members they were unfortunately a couple of guys that turned her down and. And and you know I. Think she was to a degree still try again she if she had if she had the choice. Tonight, she would have kept the in it's better for her games. So but she was not willing to really stick her neck out to do so right I'm. Done it. If if she could have convinced the cody side of the House that this was the right through that, she would have preferred that but she was not willing to do it any other way other than with the cody side of the house sign all. Exactly and because they weren't signing off her attention shifted more toward the idea of okay. Okay. How do I do this while also getting away with it both to the audience and to the House that doesn't give away as she said to cody in the episode that I'm a monster in the house, and that that I'm willing to cut my best friend in giveaway that I'm in in this big alliance to the rest of the house. So she wanted to also maintain her cover to day and Kevin Yeah I mean really like. The people that are watching fees hater anyway. So now she's good with the casuals. Now she's going with the House and people still hate her that are going to here. So maybe this is a win for Nicole Win for Nicole I. Guess That's the only way. She'll have it Jason Let's talk about unions campaign a little bit. We saw the and go around to a couple of different players in the House that Ian. He talked about how he didn't WANNA panic a by no traction really for. He didn't WanNA panic but he panicked immediately With A and I think the the show was was again, very kind to Ian as well. In certain ways in certain ways, they showed us how he was getting. You know the wool pulled over his within show all of his conversations of his fights trying to get people to vote for him in that weird way that he was trying to people to vote for him by fighting with them But but yeah, they they were kind of showing only showing certain conversations. He had You know I thought the Danny Conversation was pretty bad. He basically cried her out of the room home. Yeah sure that he realized what he did there. Yes. Interiors leaving the room that was that was the moment that Danny like completely gave up on any idea of potentially keeping in. Yes. This was Ian Telling Danny about how feels You should make this mistake third time. Yeah. Gosh. Disappointed in. That basis appointed that was a big sticking point for him and he said it to Julie. He was so upset that he was like these terrible players of the cause of my demise like Danny screwed up and the likes of David and Kevin are campaigning against me at that time he believed that. And they're the reason I'm leaving. This is awful thought he was going to name check them when you talk Julia horrible players like Kevin and David get me out. Yeah. He was excited to hear about the alliance that only Julie could've named all the alliance. That would have been a real real throw for her. Taryn do you think that Ian he seemed very much at peace with all this? Do you think that somebody had a conversation with him during the day today and let him know that he was not going to be saying No I like I said I think he I think and I think I saw on his space to that he was he was hoping for that four four results. Rent when it went five three, he was like maybe still and then it didn't and he was like. So I think he was still hoping for that I. Don't think he was he was told anything especially given what he said to Juliet afterward I, think he went in. Out of the house, still believing what they were talking about earlier in the day. Now. I think that something that he talked about on the feeds after being put up on the block was that he really wanted to be a good sport bad sportsmanship is something that he's really fought with and dealt with with himself a lot and over the last few days. I think we've seen a lot of that from him a lot of this sort of bad sportsmanship. kind of behavior. But I think that for the episode and like four his exit he really tried very hard and I think that he did very well I do I do agree with Julie that it was a classy exit for him. And that he handled it very well, I agree I think it really doesn't matter what you do during the week if you could rally for Thursday and then have A. Show. Face on Thursday and then go out I think that's all the people ultimately remember. Oh. Yeah. For sure especially because they didn't show any of the other stuff I'm sure. Got To do it for the TV audience that helps that helps also and he looked so. Classy in his vest also that he was like somebody did tell them we have the you know before the show he major address. Classy. Yeah seemed very comfortable in his. Shorts and tank up. Yeah. I. Mean is tyler going up in a suit anytime soon like I really went into the Kevin Sh- labor collection for. Eviction night. For for. Did Tyler campaign at all this week or it was just such an open and shut case for? I. Think it wasn't necessarily an open and shut case but I don't think tyler did much campaigning that I saw he kind of just let his relationships that he had built in previous weeks and then exploded last week but then built back again a little bit ask as we turn talking on the morning updates all week cody was wanting to keep tyler and as soon as. Cody wanted to keep Tyler Tyler enough to do anything because cody was going to be fighting that battle call you wanted to keep tyler there and tyler had to do was just hanging out and Yeah. Not Mess up I would say what tyler was doing was in the first half of the week he spent a lot of time trying to smooth over the thing with Danny. He's solidity like. Made Sure Cody Enzo or still on his side, and then he sat back. And then yesterday he did the official like campaign part of which was. The the line he gave at the at the end which I don't remember now the rich the don't be a clown keep. He did one on ones with everyone last night one of which was with David? which was very entertaining but But yeah, he did eventually come around to campaign but only after that conversation with Kevin. Day. I think part of painting is his his just typical self just hanging out with with people being their their best friend. I think that's all the really campaign. He does these go. Campaigning like you seen other leaks is like someone gets on the block and it's like all right of time to go like step up my game time to do the thing and tyler is just kind of this is what he does. He has one on ones with people. He builds those relationships that are able to keep them in the game and he just did well at this week dude, what's going to me right brow. Factly it out. Running. It works especially against Ian who was campaigning hard to stay sometimes that it seems like the less you're resisting it more appealing. It is to keep you even though very dangerous player like Tyler Taryn I know part of the. Plan was that Tyler was going to make a big overture to David. Thank you for saving me. It didn't seem like that happened Did you catch any of that? So he did shift the plan a little bit at the last minute one that one from what was on the feeds that He said that the what he wanted to do is right before the eviction. He, wanted to pull David aside and just be like, say whatever to him. And then kind of like shake his hand you know just basically pulling pulling aside as though he confirmed that David's voting for him or maybe just flip David's vote at the last minute and then have the vote go down and then have them remember Oh. He taught tyler right before at which I felt like is a it was a better strategy than like an overt hug of like, thank you man, which would just felt much too obvious night then well, here's my question like this plan really for like that was my question as well. Was this just for a day and Kevin? Or was it like what is this for the least power in the house? Like why are we trying? be where everybody else knows. What's I mean? This is this is tyler playbook visit C B? One. This is what saved his crew one week with Vesey. When he wanted to wage, they managed to flip him against Scotty because of all this stuff that they managed to do throughout the season. So it's not surprising to me that he was super down for it, but it was also at the request of Nicole who he was vote he was relying on. Well, I think most of it was pacify on his way out, right? That was that was that was part of Nicolas's reasoning yeah. Yeah. Double. Tyler didn't care if he and went off is not gonNA hurt Tyler so Can we predict will will any of this work will with this five three vote? Just how far is Nicole France will going to take it and will they von and Kevin Doubt? David now in terms of it seems like that Nicole is pushing hard for this that I. saw somebody somebody I think cody said something a Nicole. This is a little sound clip that I pulled. This is Nicole after the eviction. Starts. What she's talking about sorry sorry. Isn't enough I don't know if she's trying to say like that wasn't enough to save him. I don't know if she's already trying to put that out there. I. Think she is. Do we think that Kevin Dave van will be duped that Nicole was the vote to save Ian and David is the a rogue vote I think Davis given them enough reason to suspect him to do something like this. So I think it will workers are an extent and David Will There's not enough bad acting where maybe if he's telling the truth, they'll realize he's actually telling the truth. Yeah. That's and that's the problem is the David told he was in an all guys alliance when he wasn't really. Associated already predisposed to thinking that. Then he spent the week campaigning for Tyler, which made her think that he's back in the all guys alliance. Then he randomly flipped his vote to save Ian just this morning. and was like, no, I promise and she was like, don't screw us on this and he was like I'm not going to and she was talking with Kevin Privately about like he's GonNa screw us on this isn't it? and. So they are very predisposed to thinking. He's going to do this not to mention the fact that he this is the guy who cried when he saved himself with the power and then didn't tell his own allies until like a days later. Like they are going to suspect him a hundred percent now, that does not mean that I think that they will always believe that he did it i. think that generally what happens is the truth comes out over time the actions and behaviors of Tyler Nicole Danny all of those people will eventually I think make it seem obvious that the David really was with. Okay. All Right, Mel what do you think? Yeah I. co-signed that last point about how like it'll come out eventually but I do think they're really going to doubt David, for they pick the perfect person to place in this spot of being able sedan. David. Just set himself up. So the opposite of perfectly like Ford this be the fall guy here just like Devan is like so on the doesn't want to trust them at all and then he lied about power thing this week and it's just like it would just it's it's one of those things. That when it happens it kind of validates your doubt. So they launched having these doubts and there's something that happens you can say, yes. Yes, he doubted him now this if I believe that it means I was corrected my doubts I can definitely see her wanting to believe that even if maybe later they kind of say okay maybe it does make sense that it was actually Nicole Jason I just think he's such a bad liar that I feel like that he will be adamant that like No. I was not the vote I voted to Vic Tyler. I think the other problem is that you know day in Kevin have like a second grade reading comprehension level like they can't read the house very well. So you know it's GonNa be it's GonNa take a while to come the come to you like in the episode today, they're like Tyler has a campaign at all as like, Hey, welcome to bb twenty two graduate finally got here. Realize. What's happening? Here's here's my issue rob. I think that yes, David is a bad liar but I think he's a worse truth teller. I think that he is less believable when he's telling the truth. And so he's going to be like, why are you asking me? You're so right he's going to do that. Sure. What did I say earlier? Are you questioning me? What is this I, don't understand. Do you understand do you. Do you get what I'm saying. Why? He's going to be like, maybe I did maybe. For no reason at all like. Trump pushes or Kevin wins this age Oh Mel and and they put. They put David on the block and David Go. That's it. We're just canceling the PODCAST. that. is or where he's. Going to go around and he's going to be like. Did I vote for Tyler Can you tell me did I vote for I? I don't know. Can you tell me do you now? Yeah. You cast my vote for me. Yes. A. Bunch of twists I was just GonNa say that maybe there's also accomplishes we see David and Kevin love to figure out there little puzzle they have to try and figure out what's going on in the house. They'll just having this vote be determined who did it? Who didn't is going to give them something to themselves for a little bit which is also just something that might help majority alliance. Then why do their thing? Yeah I feel like that that big brother production, they want Dave van to get an H. So bad and they literally gave her a puzzle. Yeah they did they gave her puzzle and he didn't look like she is doing while either You know she and she I mean she spends hours working on those puzzles I mean most of them do but like she was really spending a lot of time working on them You know you'd you'd think she'd be good at these puzzles. There is like a physical aspect of this, but it doesn't seem like it's super. Giant armfuls of the puzzle across I don't understand what the point of that was. You know who look were actually pretty far ahead. WAS MEMPHIS. Is Yeah. So I I. I. Re- round rewound to watch the clip of the wage competition. Again, it seems to me like Memphis and tyler were pretty neck and neck in the lead followed by Cody and David who are a couple of pieces behind those two neck and neck they seemed like they were on the same spot. and. Then everybody else was still on the ground floor is still pretty looking like they're pretty far behind I will say with these three D. Puzzles though and you see this with survivor it's like you that you may need to put the pieces in in the right order like you may be able to get to a certain point but then it's like, oh, I gotta take it apart to actually put together. And wrong yeah. So It's going to come up with something complicated like that. You think they're going to do anything more than a twelve piece simple stocking puzzle. I mean, that is the whole puzzle going to be done in four minutes that I feel like that. They want to get something out of this for the Sunday night. Do you have any sense of how long these types of competitions tend to last? I mean probably not that long I mean I think one of the reasons why this is one that they can they can push back is that that theoretically it could last while you know depending on like there's not guaranteed and moines. But it didn't look like there were that many pieces I can't imagine. It's GonNa take more than like ten minutes. Max. Car. All right. We'll say let's talk about the speeches Jason started with E. N. tonight. How do you think that Ian did in his speech to the house? If I start out really well, if I was going to be something a little different but then he went right into the typical like if you think on what's best for you say. You know than vote for me. I thought he was he really started out. Well, YOU'RE A lot since I've won a in wife after Confetti I was like, wow, this is actually going to be really touching an endearing and then he just went nose dive right into the typical speech Yeah. Any highlights for you there. I like Dean speech it fell fell. Heartfelt It felt like. It felt genuine. I. I liked what he was saying there were no shoutouts. It was kind of like a this is I final speech in big brother but also I'm still thinking about game. I did not like the part of I agree with Jason I. Feel like I talked about this this morning that Ian really fell into this sort of a rookie trap of like if everyone just voted for what they thought was in their best interest than I would be staying. But but I liked the speech overall and I thought he delivered it well. Followed by Tyler. Standing up. So I've got a cookbook. Shots Tyler and I I know that MEL is a already on Tanja. INC DOT com here is a tyler. How he kicks off his speech. Thank you, Julie. Everyone please check out non chain and Angeles plant based kitchen. Cookbook. Cookbook. Check it out everybody. I saw your tweets A. Guy. Like that. Yes well, what's it called Naughton chain. I think that's the jewelry. Him through it. Can't we can't understand what he's I thought it was just like a really weird cookbook like not in chain Angeles Plants Cavanna. Everyone's check out non chain and Angeles Plan based kitchen cookbook. Angeles plant base kitchen cookbook. etc I I did like I did like the Stinger at the end of you don't be a clown. Keep Tyler I like do you do you think he was intentionally doing like the tippecanoe in Tyler to reference there or was or is that just like this? Like not not in his WHEELHOUSE PIXEL I liked it Can we for for? Nicola non-native. So he can shout oil of Olay CVs willing to check him out sponsors. Of everybody over at Ole and. We're winery I. Got Cut the. Yeah okay. All Right. Sales. I'm sure for the cookbook you're going to be through through the roof after tonight. Okay. So We have all of our votes. Come in I. This was interesting Dave von when she votes to evict tyler she says. The All Star Tyler. Tear it. I thought that Bailey and tyler were good. I mean I don't know if good is the right word for it I think. Like ceasefire maybe isn't the right word for it. But. But I mean she she felt like she n David both feel like they need to get back at Tyler or Bailey because they still feel like tyler is one of the primary causes of Bailey's demise in the game. Yeah I'm just really happy that we now have the big brother equivalent of doing it for Monica. We've got doing it for failing for Bailey. Okay, we'll see if alphabet league that can happen because you know if tyler is now going to try to actively try to submarine David's game this week I do think that that adds another chapter in this saga. ooh, we'll see. We'll see how just how far I'm like. They had they had an interesting conversation last night about like. David David was talking about bailing. After, what you did to Bailey's what did I do to Bailey I almost quit the game four Bailey like no, I wasn't perfect but I was not the reason that she left. And and he was like he was talking to David about like dude and I'm trying to give you advice like you keep trying to deny that you used your power. And everyone knows that you did man and you're sitting here lying to my face about it like you think you're playing chess but you're playing hopscotch man. Wow Hopscotch not chess. Yes. Wow checkers. Wow. Tearing the do we know if tyler one h h what we think he's nominations would be. Tonight, I honestly am not entirely sure i. mean he did just have three people vote against him. I'm and one of which is David who he was working very closely to earlier in the season. So I it's it's probably hard for him to make the move on Danny right now with those three people who clearly do not want him in the house. But I don't think it's completely out of there on the possibility that he takes a shot. I feel like it's more likely that he keeps that on the back burner for at least a week. Yeah. Meld, you have any sense of what tyler would WANNA do. Yeah I can't imagine that he puts up Danny after she saves him this week although that like that two weeks ago was their plan but I mean. It's tyler. He gets what he wants, and I could totally see him finding a way to get Danny out if he's still feels threatened by her. He made this pleaded Devan and Bailey last week about how they were playing for something bigger than. Know, a bigger than the game like I just feel like would be such a weird pivot then if they win h and then put. Dave on on the block and and especially put David on the on the block also like I think that he's GonNa find himself in a very tough spot if he I'm so that's why I'm surprised he was even going for this. I mean he may not. He may be doing well enough to make sure other people don't win. I have a feeling if he if he's able to give it to Memphis, I think he will. Yeah. WAY JASON MEMPHIS HAD A. Real. Minimum on the show where they showed him talking to Nicole about how hey if you feel so bad for Ian, you could go into jury house with him. As release shows like the level of villainy that Memphis carries around with him at all times and it was he was stirred up with her I gotta give them that it. It's a lot more than other people doing this. You know it's you know if you WANNA if you WANNA go for him so bad. You can go be with them next week the straight up your need to vote with us and that's it Oh my God. Did he meet. Yeah. It. Go. Mel What did you think about cody telling Enzo about how Nicole was complaining about how why did why does her I have to go home and not cody's I'm Mrs Condo, my dog throughout. Cody, just being upset at Nicole in general. He seemed very like harshest her this episode like every conversation we had where we saw a cody Nicole interacting was like Yeah just not having it at all like that. He is keeping ally and that's just how it goes. Cody's GonNa, ultimately get what he wants here from everybody terms for the. Takes it so well. I mean he takes it well to cody's face but enzo wants Nicole and Danny Gone Yeah. Largely because of these things. So I would honestly I feel like Enzo if he won might go for Danny. Nicole. This week more. So even than Tyler. Okay. All right. We'll see let's talk a little bit about Ian this conversation which by the way we will have. Some interview questions with E. N.. We get to send in six questions for Ian. We can. We can try to workshop those after the podcast is over tonight about what do we want to know from Ian we are going to get those back from Ian in the morning. So we will see what has to say to our interview questions on Friday. There was some talk during the week Karen about is Ian going to stay on the jury of whether or not? He's going leave do you expect a Ian will stick it out for the jury. I expect they all will personally despite what they say. Many people have threatened to do many things over the years in big brother that go against what production wants and very very rarely. Do they ever actually do the thing because production has their ways. So. I do not think that he will quit the jury but I do think he will raise quite a fuss in fact he he said specifically that he will refuse to do any exit press. So we'll see how that goes that would probably be a good indicator of whether or not he will stay in the jury. well, we'll see Jason, I thought that Julie Really was trying to like I and we will see you back here on finale night I. Bet she really she like. Accentuated like so you will be here. You said you're going to a jury house and she had a huge paws like maybe she's like, no, I'm not I'm Outta here. which caused sorry there was like twelve you. Can One before the second time she told him, he has so much class. So here's what you gotta do that in order to get into his exit press tongue don't we'll talk about big brother you WanNa talk about Smart House yeah. All you want to ask them about is the movies morehouse well, I was thinking about writing a question like Ian was did a Smart House decision that was made this week or would you say that it was not a smart house decision for the House to vote you out see if he picks disease. Yeah wink. See if we can get that one through. Okay. I in this doing press, we will have answers from his question and if not, we'll have to see. If. There is a jury this season or if it will just be America and ending uploading. But. Ian Was you know a good sport with Julie. said that he really blame Danny. Turn. I was Kinda hoping that, Julia would ask him. You got three votes to stay who do you think voted for you. Yeah, I feel I felt like she wanted to ask that and when she said you were it was a five to three vote. Did that surprise you? I think she was trying to get him to say that but I think maybe and. This is how I would think if I was asking questions I, don't know Julie puts that much thought into but I'm sure she clears it with other people like by asking who do you think were your three votes? Is that it's not the people you expect Do you think with all the past weeks? He's been blowing up alliances she's had to really resist the urge. So like blow up anything else. She likes desperate to say this was all memphis plan feel like when I feel li