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Episode Twenty-One

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Episode Twenty-One

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This thing up below graders always good to have your voice on this show boy do we have a great show for you so get him back on the most relevant one and that's how Dylan found his new director of coffee in just a few days it's still got he's one hundred as they say I got so little feedback on it that I have no idea if it was good or bad like even this was horrible I would take from the ringer he's an NFL writer out there and we get into some NFL stuff maybe so tyler hero joined Chris and Billy Outed Heat Media Day sat down I would say Clayton Kershaw that's a great guests and we came close really tyler hero Oh maybe we thought we were just it's not that kind of drip so China's not coming up China's gun in I'm really happy that we mentioned in the second hiring can be a slow process her ziprecruiter doesn't depend on candidates finding you it finds them for you it's acknowledged identifies people with the right experience and invite them to apply to your job so you get qualified candidates it requires your feedback so if you like the interviews that we do great you're in luck we got two of them on this show not only tyler hero joining us but so as Kevin Fast Dylan posted his job on Ziprecruiter and said he was impressed by how quickly he had great candidate supply he also use ziprecruiter's candidate rating featured to filter as applicants so he could focus guys actually did this interview damage. Yeah I mean a real winner Chris Cody and Billy Gill went to Media Day and if you listen to salaciously to the last four directors of coffee work with US unbelievable what are your plans I don't know ever really thought about it yet but I did get the cafe Toro's Coo Dila wits needed to hire a director of coffee for his organic coffee company but he was having trouble finding qualified applicants so we switched to Ziprecruiter czar drip drip on the heat he explained to Alison Drip it yeah are you aware of what trip is to get WanNa get that checked out I'm for fun interview obviously this dude is taken heat twitter and basketball twitter by storm it's a crossover event people are onto this huge drip yeah we talked a lot of drip actually is sweet mystery crate you heard their unbelievable interview with Derek Jones and Kelly Olympic people are still talking about it aren't they I gotta be honest with you if we're going to keep the but I was like do I live in a vacuum where like no one hurt any of it was so confusing I never get no reaction to anything because a lot of that was and then there's a lot of people are like Oh this is awful I hate you you're the worst I've talked all that stuff right get any of that whatsoever oh I felt the opposite I got like four people that said that you're saying essentially this anything like just the act felt like I was in the you miss reaction will give us the action because mystery crate is kind of a bizarre podcast and itself GonNa talk to the entire country of China so you thought that was a good place to go so it'd be good get we're going to go to tyler hero ah here's a plan that you guys you you need to get Dylan Moskowitz on the show get him on the mystery correct well I happen to know is director of coffee get pull some strings and make it happen for you the at our web address ziprecruiter dot com slash credit that's ziprecruiter dot com slash C. R. A. T. E. ziprecruiter dot com slash crate ziprecruiter it's like that it's no wonder four out of five employers who post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day ZIPRECRUITER's effective for businesses of all sizes trust Ziprecruiter for free the smartest way to hire I actually had the south sessions ziprecruiter copy open by accident and I almost said the wrong web address how bad wow at least I didn't call attention to it here it is an interview about drip with the biggest name in sports tyler hero right really looked at the metrics it's one hundred percent of the people that download last night all four said it was all right and bill you miss the hatred is what you know when you look at all your heat teammates drip rankings of like on your team are you are you in the top three on the right away who else is in that top three A. J. J. J. Jon he's he's definitely he might be number one traffic around yeah all right we're joined now by cassation for the Miami Tyler Hero now four I get into the brass tacks and really hitched with the hard stuff your last names hero it's I feel like a lot of word plays can be happy with the name hero what's like the corneas like I'm sure you get I can be your hero baby like the the worst thing that I've been now we're asking all the guys about this he puts mustard on his philly cheese steaks that's not weird back like it's just like a threat any away and like contribute or do you just kind of on your way and you don't WanNa make any guarantees like that I plan to contribute right away I'm ready so we don't have it you don't have it there's not you can't buy it like I shouldn't have said drippy right that's not drip drip whose number one that I could see that house a house Gordon Strip a little different than Margaret I mean everybody has is like he's player now because he has a show I have a my best friend lives me he cooks for me Yeah your style clothes you wear and how you more of like an oral specific things just like an overall eh everyone holiday talking how they talk trash yeah I had to give back to our yeah now as far as just a hokey basketball question to sneak in right here do you expect to come in right own their own style house lasalle explain that's alison she's afraid of the cameras if she keeps running away from the camera because she's afraid of really really whole bunch you made news at the draft everyone like that the sound bite of most drip here that's Kinda like your thing whether you wanted that too you're not it's like what people have talked about a lot and I'm wondering like my trickiest thing is the brown shoes drippy thank you anything can be dripping learnings you own it where I feel like drip is something you can't really do though any decoration some food I just like straights steak and cheese I'd say so you can choose you have a chef already or now junior told us he has a chef imagine you getting him a nice or getting your mom Nice car you have to deal with what type of interior do I want to I want these features those features so what did you end up getting her got her right up avenue with me as a m breakfast and stuff like that all I need to get one of those what's the biggest MBA thing that you're doing now that you're in the league like something that now just drove it to the house and not become outside 'cause she seen it so she liked it yeah here's the thing I struggled just getting like normal birthday presents who would us about myself car car are Kinda just I had it delivered when he got it it when you guys are playing you guys go back and forth a little bit talk who's the best talker on the team I haven't really seen everybody how the Erin select a car seems like a really stressful thing for you to get on there and I'm like you know what let me get my dad like a hat like Polo shirt or something I'm like does he like blue does he laid talking about everyone kind of gets it. How would you describe like just like what your expectations are for the heat culture thing is being on time to everything being a professional and you're going and you know I'm going to get drafted today it's just a matter of where it's going to be so is it stressful because you're waiting to figure out we're GONNA play or is it like just a general fear of cameras let's see having Alison we're trying to talk to you we were talking before we're trying to explain drip she didn't understand it so she said she just wanted to talk to you about drip it we'll get like that's what I heard Jimmy bowlers press conference said that you'd like to say no other than getting drafted yeah did you have any idea you're going to be coming to the heat like that night like obviously your these team so like not really my agent so I mean I was definitely stressed a little bit yeah do you have any good John Stories like just leaks I could just be a turtle like to actually be in the league you won't be turtles I bet it's a sweeter Gig 'cause that guy doesn't have to wake up early right up and go work out he's just like no I'm making oh me that I wasn't getting drafted by the heat they said I was going to draft at fourteen so like it was it was weird and you hear everyone talk about the culture and I don't really know what the any John Calipari story for us this is a whole bunch of the guys crazy can I tell you hold I am I when I went to Umass he was the coach I've been held held to a higher standard and the rest of the teams in the league and just really just hard work what's the draft night for you because this is something you've worked for your entire life okay he will have people come in and it'll be a one and done situation and everybody knows the deal so he's kind of playing with the system so that he knows yeah calcium's just shoot it straight he's like you're here for one year then you're going to the League which has to be a cool feeling cocoa think different from all the other coaches he we spent something crazy like you know what I'm GonNa Lean I gotta get this like a car or something bubble Mama Gar as one thing I always wanted to do so I bought a Mama Car vide because you know like today my dream is GonNa come true I'm GonNa be an NBA player by the end of the night it was kind of stressful for me because I didn't know where I was going to like the twelfth picks did you say what do you think of this car here the keys I gave you the keys like I told her to come out not just gave her the keys she just drove it took post her reaction on social media? That's I know you've been working the phones throughout that entire interview but did you make any time to listen to it while you were not so busy handling director of coffee things yes wont keeps everything real with those players I'm Yuka ask all the players that succeeded what's Kentucky which is a lot you know if if he lied to you have you for one year we're going to try to have a team championship and then you're out of here the next year a lot of coaches selfishly key players around longer than they should and they'll give them bad advice and say you should stay in college a little longer it's like free yes definitely do a lot like there's a certain point where you realize I'm going to the NBA next year like what am I going to be going to you know intro to English for I'll look at all the names of the ways they use my last name kind of funny I hear I can be a hero baby superhero no yeah they have that feeling that you've had so far as a profession being able to get your mom something Yeah Rush Cayenne I just counted as some that I liked it I'll take it you think she'll tell you like it or she eggs tyler hero the best basketball player on the planet Yep die other hero is the best basketball player on the biggest star I mean he went to Ziprecruiter it really the time my life do those he he had a good team they're awesome team what's he like like because most people you know what I mean like was there like that we're like you know what it's eight o'clock in the morning I'm not going to go to this classic because what's the point every single class yeah on Mvp you know Patrick Mahomes in his first season a full play one an MVP just last year however he wasn't a rookie rookie occurred you and they're all saying no so I mean he won I think like I say he keeps it real until he doesn't need he doesn't eat anything for many of us like he he's already saying Zion veterans I on as better than I do Yup Yup the Pelicans made a mistake and you said earlier this week designs the best player in the NBA. I did say that you guys own legacy and so he's just here to help the kids that's all he wants is that why you went there because you knew this guy not lying to me this guy yeah definitely layer around one sixty nine nice who wes unseld and it wasn't just him both on sell an Wilt Chamberlain won the MVP award in the rookie of the year at that year's will help given Clark from the ringer is an NFL writer them on this week's mystery create here is Kevin Clarke from the Ringer Feeding Your Nfl addiction and hopefully we actually ask him some NFL questions now but you're willing to call it a now I'm sorry I'm sorry to bring that up any rookies that's the only way right have any rookies rookies I can listen to it but I have someone that I'm a big fan of online right now you may know him from the ringer and is slow news day video futures here behind the scenes in preparation for this interview Kevin and I found your Lincoln Okay did you know that you had Lincoln because I'm a little suspicious of the Lincoln that winning rookie of the year and you can win MVP as many times as you want that's an incredible way to look at it we could win both know you can only win rookie of the year one ever or have any rookies ever won the MVP as well probably not here yet rookie of the year and the MVP no we'll call it no maybe in the NFL should look at it just wasted time going to try something a little bit different on this week's mystery crepe usually what we do is kind of evergreen so you can go been on that program before Kevin Clark is on the line with us and we want to go through some NFL stuff and we'll get to all of that but we've been doing some research Chris Broussard and it says that he's an NBA analyst for Espn and we know that's wrong because he's not an MBA analyst so we have Kevin Clark now on the program because you know how they have like other suggestions on the Lincoln there's like a tad here where I can click Max Kellerman according to this he is a TV host telephone You know what I am going to say anything that she loves it what caller as all black I love it was nicer than say this is yours I think I tracked him down the Lincoln and it says to interesting things for US number one you hail from the Dell he's from the Dell they were hiring the best basketball player on the planet and they tyler here that the rector a basketball honestly I'd rather in rookie of the year then Mvp I think because you only get one shot what was your friend doing who cooks for you now you class like was he prepping for us to like what's what's he cooking for you and your at college you know we we had our own doc nick zone the Randy Shannon Zone I saw a lot of bad football and I I would say it was even worse than most people who went to school at big program that's a lot of people that do that I don't WanNa be argumentative but a lot of people do not know I mean like in Orlando it was like a thing different nicknames that we have a lot of people use area code for seven a lot of people use and this is a stretch and it goes back to the nineties well I will use Jam Landau for some reason Blake zeal your turtles do you ever see entourage like the Turtle Friend Years Man I need to I wish I wish one of my friends made champ Landau I also see that you attended the University of Miami during the glory days of two thousand seven through two thousand ten so did you witness actually heard that before finally he's biased because you grew up in the dough so jam Landau water is the water yeah the what was it fifty five zero the Virginia blowout game at the Orange Bowl Yep I went up to Gainesville with high hopes and then we never cross midfield I was into Patrick Nikes because I think the local stations to call jam Landau and so now ironically there it is not uncommon to hear the term jam Landau when you're in Orlando and they went through some bad years because not only was there for like two thousand eight recruiting class it was supposed to springboard to number one but people like her three years watching some awful football but mix that with hope Kevin Clarke from jam Landau here with us on the mystery APP people talk about the water in the door I did and here's what I think I think dial a hero great personality but here's what I also the better player he is going to be the rookie of the year he is flying under the radar in terms of I know a lot is it as bad as they say because I've been there a bunch of Disney and stuff and I've never really noticed it's terrible but everyone claims that it's just the worst water water worst water I've never the ship cool all right well good luck the season thanks for joining appreciate it thanks so much different type of wet if you know what I mean it it tastes like home to me terrible bad water tastes like my and I'm a huge fan of his I think he's got such a unique delivery and a unique style of delivering his NFL takes and I'm really proud to have a to Orlando to Disney or universal whatever you're going to do in Orlando the water just has like a different taste I guess and like even feel like it feels a st were still hyping it sounds like a really big program and so there was constant belief that we were ready to beat Florida ready to be Zantac whenever it was and it just never happened I spent but if you're always eating in these videos how do you decide what you're going to eat we just happen to stroll upon you all you're eating or is this very calculated the whole premise started to be believe me unless I ended up working one day in twenty years at the New York Times or something one of my favorite parts about slow news damn will probably get to some football at some point with Kevin Clark here that we were just going to read the newspaper much starbucks even though starbucks pass to do this and we were just going to talk about football and then it turned out that you guys are water elitist came to Miami did you finally realize this is there's something different about this why is this so crisp yeah that's that's the thing I realize it's different about Miami damage transit of property that's how good tyler heroes of what I say is better than Zion Williamson wins rookie of the year through all that great water here that's what I said now on your twitter bio it says that you're a Wall Street Journal alum is that like the new Harvard email address I just make fun of movies on Delta flights and I just needed everyone to know that at one point I wasn't serious journalists before I started just drinking coffee on camera so yes that will probably never the water it was it wasn't just like the incredible cultural experience and all different people and you know the great nightlife it was I said Oh my God Orlando as the dough and it's the first time I've heard that I've heard it referred to as Oh town is this the first time you've heard it referred to as the first time so there's a couple of days nobody ever wanted to eat the starbucks play the only people who have Arian foster I think was the first person to ever and that was like nine weeks into ever eat the cheese now we just learned this we learned this on the local hour we have like a really dushi caller that calls us his name is fa I mean that lovingly he referred else so I I just sorta midway through just start popping the cheese my mouth and sometimes I happen to be eating during a moment where where something funny is happening and that's so in Atlanta and it's weird because I know I know it's like a mid nineties picture Max Kellerman to it could be coincidence and then I found what's up with the dolphins and this tanking thanking him all right well yeah so it's a great question I think that they are fishing I wrote it the America there's no Marisa about the water we all know how bad it is we can't tell anybody I know I've never heard that maybe refused to it that's the thing you lost Angeles ends or the dolphins has just gotten massive difference obviously the dolphins are building our strategy around this I'd rather be the dolphins right now than the redskins are the bengals because they've got the apiece today on how on just the the amount of awful teams in the NFL and then how the Gulf between say the Patriots and the Bangles or the reds that's just going to stay there all the time is it yeah so I put that in there because I started to do some less serious stuff like slow news day where we basically like today Ryan I'm open to selling out if that's graphic yes I'm open to like some start out coffey being like here's a massive check yeah uh of this season's narrative against Brown's seems as though the media and fans alike to and the team itself spent an entire offseason sort of hyping the Cleveland Browns Heisman like for instance will one day they're just be like lunch ables on the set and that's the cheese played or are you open to maybe going to a different coffee product shape Toronto has done it before but it's mostly it's there and then halfway through I realize I'm a little bit hungry because of the time we we take like eleven with between can take advantage because I think that so much of the modern nfl the idea that you can get these guys for cheap one or rookies if you go beyond for years there is up and now everyone's absolutely reveling in the results and all of a sudden we're unsure if Baker Mayfield's good quarterback even though he is a rookie passing touchdown record everything come together in two years I you know I think that NFL rebuilds a really risky because the contracts are short careers short there's really only two or three year window and I don't think the water is not great here but maybe immune to bad water you grew up without water so that's water to you like you don't realize what the waters like but like when you're a tourist and you they were GonNa start kind of two and two to three maybe three and two because it's really hard now to get everybody on the same page with a lack of training camp practices lack of offseason training especially with the coach tons of company faces in Cleveland so I knew it was going to be a slow start there's this weird narrative going around now Baker Mayfield if somehow Johnny Mandel two-point how did it feels as though it's like bath water that I'm drinking off of someone like body job this guy's from Orlando he doesn't think it's bad why the water's fine was I mean the ability to show that much talent over half season you can't do that unless you're good there are certain mitigating factors that are like get injured or you know you know the cert- leading that just get to me no you shouldn't so first of all we kind of knew this is going to happen as far as the slow start I talked about this a couple of feel my own podcast but I predicted how it happens it is and I want to stress the dumbest show on the era that so anything happens fair food wise ones tend to notice no is this up for adverts I think there's probably a lesson to be learned in the fact that the forty niners we were hyping them up last year they didn't show much in in a couple of games than Jimmy Garoppolo gets hurt and they have a totally I'm a browns fan myself should I start letting some of these doubts that are affecting the the the take that is sort of get up and ESPN daily programing should the guys are expensive so it's really hard to turn around a rebuild like the NFL but if anybody can do it right now the team it's really really committing to it what do you mean athlete everywhere restaurant and it's like oh there's there's Shawn Marion that's boy bands in Orlando we work at the Cleveland occasionally there'll be a pro athlete here but down about it being from jam Landau so what is the best boy band that is not in sync or backstreet boys there was a litany of them in the nineties Oh boy I mean town which was manufactured out of that if you remember them right I've watched the show and even ah timken completely screw up around you but normally if you show that much talent you are a good quarterback I think at some point he'll show that form again so I think that this is oh soo gods what is the biggest interview we could have in sports right now on the mystery Craig O. on the crate for the craters they've got the CAP space they're trying to be bad you'll get a team like Washington they're not even trying to trade Trent Williams even get a first round pick there's rumors the bengals wall trade we shouldn't do this cancer culture without up and running back then so I completely agree with you we we we would not have I think that it's really interesting to me you mentioned the boy bands thousand eleven when the CPA happened so I don't think that there's there's a lot to go on with overly hype teams bring in kind of superstars overnight but you know I think the one that we or something you know just another bus on the browns you know traps heat and I think that's ludicrous if you saw them play last year and how good is released was and accurate now fishing in sports bar moment as I was walking upstairs I'm like I think that was Chris Kirkpatrick and I told everybody I told everybody guilt go downstairs and like pretend like you're going to the Susan and now before niners are breaking out like I kinda feel like the media kind of hypes up a team one ear too early maybe this is the year they're going to go nine and I felt like what are we doing here I mean the dolphins fan of the get to I remember Tunsil helped Pakistan with makeup fitzpatrick so I think that I don't necessarily know because those guys are just around in Orlando and it's kind of weird like you'll see just and it's back when I was in Orlando more background lived on the East Coast show made me uncomfortable because in twenty nine hundred show never gets me because entering the show we kind of already knew about Lou Pearlman a little bit but not enough for T. V. executives yeah no and I walked upstairs marinating on it because we locked eyes and there was like a sort of like I recognize you in ice maybe sort of walk past few out of immunity you would just c. j. all the time or like Chris Kirkpatrick there's just around it's just it's in the same way you know in Miami you just end up seeing it avenue in Cleveland and the next year they go thirteen and three maybe that's how it works out in the NFL remember nfl we don't have a huge sample because it's four basically changed overnight appears at the Cleveland or there was we had a run in with a famous boy band member I went downstairs and I locked eyes with somebody that kind of looked like someone used Kevin Clarke from jam Landau with us now being from the doe you are born into boy band Phantom knowing your age you probably know all the about their head things like number five okay range think I'm number two golf is good as it was and I think that we know their talent so I think that they figure out the line they can get to a productive season this year but maybe we're looking at twenty twenty for them Atherton confirmed this four six believed it to be capable is one of the creepiest days here like by far because there was like a steady stream of people like it was a parade if people going up and down the stairs to go to the bathroom and it was like nonstop and then when people were unsure they'd go down like three or four times in the poor guy is just like sitting at a table paying attention to Russell Wilson Anyway and should we be concerned about Patrick mahomes highlight Kiana read where for like thirty years it's been a really cool station as the MVP favourite while he's just doing the same stuff that he's done since they started having to pay him instead of other people so what do you make of now the nation at large finally the on the money so Patrick Mahomes got injured the last game and it kind of made me uncomfortable watching it because he looked genuinely hurt but then is on but because of that bad performance and they were held it's really back to back like non Patrick mahomes performances now Russell Wilson has sort of entered the jack or five with the F. in five replaced by the actual number five I would say five what was the ban that had when the rebrand as a boy band member like a lot of it was wearing like sweater vests with no shirt underneath there was a lot of that amongst it on his instagram page that he goes around with Nicklaus Shea performing instinct songs I mean Nicholas say what is he yeah you can look on Joey fatone instruments people who went to my high school before I got there because they wanted to just sort of latch onto an old town type ad I was angered the other day seeing that Joey fatone post not everybody generation above me so they'd be like I don't know like if they were in high school and Middle School I would say a good sixty percent of them and you have the added Bonus of Oh we'll dip into the ninety eight degrees catalog to such that it is I've got Chris Kirkpatrick being the one with the android that screws up the group text making green does he have tattoos on his ankles because the guy downstairs has tattoos on his ankles confirm though he did have tattoos on his angels and the Google Image Search confirmed all of that so lights go out was that take five or five ooh baby when the lights go I think it was five okay yeah when the lights go out with five but with the number five and then Jalan just sort of jumps out and it's like okay I think I would take an Patrick Mahomes if he were actually on crutches but could still just throw the ball and yeah he doesn't respond everybody has one person in the group tax it's just sort of checks out but they need to get their money and they own the royalties this song so like why not go out there and perform it food and then like the last five years we're like hey check out Kiana read like people just didn't appreciate him until just short while ago and that Kinda Russell Wilson I thought the sink trying to get their money you know every year someone fires off the Group Tax Hayes this year that we get back together and justice just adding it in the group that now he's there he's the only one that doesn't respond food and wine festival and they had a surprise appearance by Joey fatone who came out on stage and performed by while the rest of ninety eight degrees Kinda sang in the featuring Chris Kirkpatrick and Ryan Cabrera Wow I once saw Ryan Cabrera Dj set at the Bellagio and grab night Joey fatone situation Kevin if you're interested so it turns out ninety eight degrees was performing it eat to the beat the concert series that's going on at Epcot background and by the way if you're back at Otani at any point this concert series sugar ray was there who else is your Kenny g's their oud they're doing shows where they're doing by its Nicholas Shea up there it's like what is going on that's happening in Iraq too like liquidating to has the guy from alkaline trio no with Otani but I was so bothered by probably their biggest hit because they rhymed all with all no you can't Ryan there were a lot of problems with the boy Van Eras but I I will say are nice is Mardi Gras at universal still going on and that's one of the underrated one I saw I saw Mario Lopez he's he's definitely a one a one B NBC candidate with mom I don't mean to veer away from the football talk but I did some research on his ninety eight degrees band now and it's just easier things two thousand two that would have just blown my mind and now it's just normal everyone's just trying to get paid time well you can't fault the other members of is named for tone and if you break it up it's fat one what is your being from Jam Landau Kevin what is your favorite seasonal theme park attraction is at Halloween former broncos defensive end Neil Smith having a leak time it was like nineteen ninety nine he was riding high and he was just having an amazing they have a food and wine type festival going on so like even when food and wine is done right Christmas time they have like a Christmas festival and it's Ah Man October Eighteenth through October twentieth I thought eat to the beat would just be the name of Joey fatone store he has a hot dog chain called fat ones 'cause a lot of these guys in the Seattle team and you didn't get enough individual credit because there were just too many good players and guys like Bobby Wagner it wasn't until they were alone probably hot right but the last two weeks that's when everybody goes to the lines are insane so flower festivals basically food and wine except there's lots of flowers lots of greenery there's a gotTa get the annual passes and let it fly right but then epcot trots out like that flower festival here's the thing that I've learned about at no matter what time you go to epcot during the year todd rundgren dot com genre would always cap it off the Mardi gras was good Halloween harness as good the Christmas stuff at Disney always late I mean it's real murder as well Marino went on Lardy gras universal studios the king of Mardi Gras one year not not like the unofficial king the guy who was just having the best time I've ever seen is act on earth is minimal at best because they're in the cocoon and then they become butterflies and like two weeks later that's it they're dead thank you appreciate your life I mean party girl he was he was really living up I was dead Mardi Gras is also in the epcot food and wine zone as far as just random acts like you'd see your smashmouth it makes me think I'd actually be more productive like I've lived probably I'm thirty two I've lived close to I'm not even to do the math let's just say like six hundred if you wait like two weeks there's another Christmas themed food and wine going so like if I go to that flower fast it's like a low key secret food and never been oh yeah no I actually I lower festival because food and wine now the way things are it's so hot for the majority of food and wine that you really only want to go like the last two weeks of food and wine or it's like unbear- The people realize how good Bobby Wagner was once going to boom was gone so I think that that's so hard to isolate those teams and now we're starting to appreciate how good Russell Wilson is I is the The master of ceremonies Mardi Gras parade there on your you know that was a huge magnet for NFL players because it was in March and so I met Dan Marino there and that Oh okay so I actually went to Glorious Stefan's Nieces Kenyatta and John Cicada was the one performing that night wow Wilson I thought I sent him quarterback in Twenty fifteen and you know that ebbs and flows and I think my home says more talent now but I think that he should win the MVP mahomes has exactly the same as who didn't want except there's maybe like ten less kiosks but there's still the same lines it's still the whole thing so everybody goes to food one like I need to go to food and wine before we one one time enjoy Lawrence Joey or Joseph Lawrence remember he wanted to be all professional yeah are you hold on are you familiar with Kingston yet does they pressurize it and then you go in you've never been like now but this is this is like what he's describing this is kind of like I'm not exactly like that so there's little change and stuff like that so the butterflies fly garden that's delightful that you can go to a butterfly garden but if my name immediately changing my tune on this one out that's a tough hypothetical but I'm glad that people are appreciating the talent you know it's funny I I I talked about this a couple of years ago he said that he thinks that the little like they have the two doors now it's like it's like chains that go down like like metal beads needs to be like outbreak where one door down here in Miami are you familiar with that show the fat guy in the skinny woman is the name of the show it's a show that kind of A Christmas Carol or something like that and you go I saw John Takata do it when when you start seeing the seedless ones I've heard rumors that some of super famous people like Paul McCartney and John Bon Jovi they will tell people when they go to weddings and stuff like please don't make me go surly suit him we're putting maybe the best situation for young quarterback ever with Andy Reid giving him the schemes to get guys open out Smith Tutoring Lilia Stefan is should be Lilia Stefan is also glorious Stefan's niece and she's the Co host of guerrilla block I don't know if you're familiar with that and and I did not anticipate that being a previous curriculum bring it up next time I don't even answer the full question he's going to ask you just say hey will I heard about the Kingston. Tonight's gotten elite wait hold on hold on a second hold on a second where on November twelfth through fourteenth at eat to the beat Joey fatone and friends tape butterflies by the way Kevin I don't know how you feel about this data live very sad lives because they only exist well they only exist for such a short time like their impact cam getting to sit for a year like Russell Wilson were put in that situation he would do the had the exact same numbers homes and maybe a little better I I can't fan of the northern and Western European I think that the Norway ride with my favorite thing in all of Abkhaz as far as that circle goes and in your times are there I will say they used to have one Disney underrated thing is they used to have really really see pluck celebrities read did you ever do Grad Grad night I did not graduate was wild I think you're I was there I forget the cigarettes I did not do it start in Mexico or Canada but someone told us about the special back entrance that just drops you off in France which is just like when it started in the ninety s was more appropriate at that time like they interviewed people in hot tubs I get crazy Spanish Tele Vanish TV ten ordos drop some pounds not GonNa be a fun experience for you but billy part of this whole attack strategy is you have lunch at the Hibachi plates in Japan and it soaks up all the booze and then you can go continue throughout and what you I'd like to start with the Basic Tequila early in the morning because you know you you can't start from beer liquor before beer you're in the clear had a catalog yeah or you can go back to the mystery archives I believe we spoke to him only about that for like twenty minutes before we let you go Kevin Clark of the ringer and Slow News Day in England where it says like no team colors outside the pub Oh wait a second maybe they're just trying to be authentic I last time I did this for my wife's thirtieth birth yeah that will cain used to run at Kingston Empire there's some confusion he claims that he didn't actually plan them I claimed that he does but he ran a magazine slash catalogue of like Kingston Yeah so that's reaction we're looking for Kevin I I was wondering that same thing to be honest with you I'm like come on this is your needs and I don't know if you're familiar with Lilia stuff the band I've I've heard that like secondhand sometimes it's just like really really famous musicians I tell the band and people getting married like don't don't do that the world and really attack the UK because you KS one of the more fun ones although a Satan no chance whatsoever no sports team chance and try not to wear it like Philipson nostalgia for that so I'm just going to drink heavy heavy beer from those sort of Scandinavian western European countries I only drink beer and that's my point of attack what about you yeah I think I thought Gary sinise on a calendar there one time and what I saw it on the calendar too I never actually saw him though I think Jodi sweeten was doing what's your favorite I'm actually a fan fast have ruined this whole notion and the entire things been devalued but I loved waiting in the line and having to watch a special programming dedicated to those people waiting in the line because I think it really gets your mind into you are writing the movie so like in for example yeah a when you drink around the world at Epcot and this is very this is very important where do you start what's your tax strategy you know I'm a huge any like UCF because they don't want any like fight starting at the bar and if you start talking about sports you're likely to do so what that's like what they have it yeah he has but he's going to be the thing where he started ballooning back up again sort of like the Rex Ryan did you ask you I don't think they've changed it they can't change the name of show I think contractually he has two ways tip you have to remember Wolf was put in a pretty bad situation yet Brian Shaw members off coordinator Pete Carroll had coach they they wanna play their brand football doesn't free tickets so yeah they're not aware of that party that thing where you tossed the coin over your shoulder in Italy for the mount because it can't be a lock right precisely your thoughts I think this is this is great I've heard by the way why Gordon may not have performed like you have to suspend disbelief because if you're in really long line you're like wait a second this is supposed to be a live news program and I've seen this part already yeah I really it was awesome because it smelled great somehow I'm going to bring back dueling dragons because I never understood why the line was just so quick well it would because to roller I'm not sure if it's true it's never true also is wondered why the same new cycles like they cycled through multiple times in line yes sometime yeah that would really things are like suckering you'll they can go to theme parks for free if I just paint my faith Joe Gay jokes on them I get content for a lifetime of them dress like a panther princess and you also get they were doing so rad I know but they got lazy Kevin they got lazy though because the whole appeal the dueling dragons was that at one point Mister Toad wild ride perhaps really I also yeah I also kind of like King Kong which is now like what the fafsa furious or something yeah kin ars we're excuse I mean it was not this was not the high point of music history so you're gonna you're gonNA come through all the lyrics melodies there was a really bad crap about are you going with bb I am because I was like wow Johnson's Andrea there. Laurie was there and Amelia was there all the stuff yeah no she didn't perform lasting on continue this before we go back to football whatever did luck in the fake fountain I mean it's never done that I've never done that you consider yourself lucky person could be complete honest with you I do I think about the if your local at cotton might be the worst place to go to like I want I am a bigger fan like islands of adventure if you're a teenager is by far the best wait because go straight to the front I thought Eddie Murphy on doing dragons like twenty years ago you did not no yeah it's an affront before channing Eddie Day and I felt really embarrassed dizzy employed doing this but we got escorted out by people that work in civilian clothes and it wasn't my fault it was my brother-in-law he was out of control and I also did the thing hey I'll pay for your ticket if you're letting me paint your face in any fashion that I choose from an princess often do you do that because you told the story yesterday that you did that to someone addresses a leopard like it seems like your friend East coaster that's not uncommon I remember I used to go to espn the weekend because I was obsessed with with the when I was a teenager and you see all the thing the thing is though if you started candidy catch the Marty short flick that they have going on and it's very dizzying so if you're too drunk by the time you get there it's is was the best one ride would innovator here they would just have like a fake long island news cats being like there's been some sharks but everything's GonNa be fine and Pluto's autograph and then you have someone waiting in line for Chris Berman's autograph yeah and then they had a bunch of like random people like Eric Dickerson just there point both rollercoasters with time out and you'd see the souls of other people's feet and then they just like we don't care anymore we've checked out on this we spend way too much money on the whole line no one even gets to enjoy kind of ways you can go about it and if you have a passing go and certain things I don't remember being with my friends and seeing rapper Stewart we L. Ravages name and he gave a very nice hello don all of these guys all the anchors and stuff skipping the line and you get all jealous remember Carl Ravitch gets the line can skip any line really that's just matty rolls it didn't happen water flies by now but I'm sure it feels like a long day it's a lot more well no I think it's like two weeks Kevin I didn't work it's thanks reporting out just said who would you pay I think the answer is out Aaron Rodgers probably a themed things that you can get I don't know how to respond to this I've got under Wilkin show a handful thirty totem pole though running into Eddie Murphy Dueling Dragons one time I saw the Indiana Jones stunt spectacular and Mr Yagi from karate kid was just answering there were you on the same hand we were waiting to get on and he was he was in the front row going forward Eh crushing vacation clothing during his Glenn Course Raymond's great button down shorts I remember that much over there yeah it was Kinda like that I was just I watched so much. Espn God look at Brian. Kenny I think you have the top of this don't you I'd imagine that that must have been so weird for people that were there because obviously Disney has like these like Disney wasn't shut down for the weekend so you have the little kids are getting in line to get like did he have like a cardboard Kevin did win Sao Paulo was walking around I imagine he had a cardboard cutout of the Philadelphia Eagles Training facility behind them is the only way that I can picture be espn the weekend I do I would like harrap store in front of me what line to skip I don't remember I just remember there too. Tabloids got her coming down splash mountain and it became like the biggest photo of the year because they one of the photographers like they're hiding Disney's hiding princess di from us but we nations yeah yeah he was like they had them up there and they always have the plant and it's gotten so predictable especially now when you go watch it because no one wears Hawaiian shirts and obviously anchor my brain was so broken back down that I was more excited to see anybody who's ever appeared on twelve I was just like whatever it was sixteen seventeen and I was like Oh my God God Linda Conan more famous than Eddie Murphy you're right He was at the pinnacle of the start of back then so like the big thing when I was growing up with the princess more and the plains always like dress tourist but a tourist from the mid nineteen ninety s that's pretty good I'm trying to think if there's anything else even for family members I don't know I mean obviously did sing at all if that's considered I don't remember that happening I just remember Johnson hot at the time he and many so why don't you ever see mice it would be a hotbed for mice at Disney how awesome are they at eliminating vermin and the rumor is and coasters I mean that's my and that's got to bring a lot of time he hasn't to adults who enjoy the alcohol and apparently the butterflies wherever you guys are into is put on like a hat that said Florida why is that because you can't ruin the magic of Disney when all these other mascots around there you can't they have to be real all the very important to them it's just like if you watch college Game Day right did you notice what happened with Lee Corso when he made a selection he picked Florida right he didn't put on the cater head Ba key I see there you go Chris Aaron Rodgers did you see any. ESPN employs walking around that giant like Turkey leg I don't think so I remember Sal Paol has I've Seen Ryan gosling speak on this he sort of obsessed with the Disney cats that at night Disney releases like sort of like these mutant cats that are just absolute killer. I'm doing a standup outside of the mushroom kingdom looking like training facility yeah I I I'm trying to remember because it was what it was the first one it must've been like thousand I went to Disney and her children

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5.29.19 How to protect your business from ransomware; Redirecting your career post-layoff

Clark Howard Show

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5.29.19 How to protect your business from ransomware; Redirecting your career post-layoff

"Glad you're here with this on the Clark Howard show where it's about your empowerment, with knowledge, safe in heat, more Leche, may, you got a question for me. Go to Clark dot com slash ask. And we got lots of ways dance your questions you want. Specifically, try to get meet answer your question, you'll see a box you can check for that coming up later in the midst of a very strong job market. There's still an average of a million people, a year who get laid off many times, because their employers failed what do you do about that? What do you do? Next. So I want to talk right now about something that is unfortunately a booming business right now. And it's hackers that sees the computers at government offices at businesses big and small. And we only hear about it happening when it's a big institution. There was a county government apparently recently that got hacked. And the rumor is they paid a ransom to the hackers to get their systems back working. It's a tough choice. What do you do? Once you're systems have been seized line of times for small businesses. Never makes the news, but the small business is out of business from a hack. So we gotta talk what, what should you be doing because, as a small business person, you cannot have your own data. Department, you can't have your own security department, and the irony is that even these big companies and big governmental agencies will have their big IT departments. They still get hacked. What chance you think you have as a small business? So instead, you need to take precautions to protect what you've worked so hard to build with your business. In the event that you are a target and you get hacked, and they try to ransom your data back to you. So what do you do? Number one, you need to have backup of your data every night backup data every night is something that kind of like a dentist telling you to floss your teeth. You probably nodding. Yeah, I should do that. But she don't. Right. It's cheap. You can at a minimum have a hard drive that your data's backed up to every night. But generally, what's considered to be better is to have a backup service like dropbox or Google service. That's called Google Drive. There are a number of mouth, they're they're not expensive. And what it does is it means the most you're gonna lose if a hacker. Invade your system will be twenty four hours of data because you can say, fine, you can have our system and you start over, and you have not disrupted your business in any major way. But if you did get disrupted in a major way even taking those kind of precautions. What can you do? Then. That's why so strongly, I want you at your business to have cyber insurance cyber insurance is not foolproof, but it is really key for a small business where whoever writes, any liability coverage for your business or anything like that. You got them to quote you a cyber insurance policy. So that if your business is disrupted is damaged by a hacker, a ransomware that you have insurance to protect what you've worked to build up because I'm telling you, you don't take precautions you're at risk that somebody destroys, what you've worked night, and day in many cases, seven days a week to make happen your business. Kristen's with us on the car coward show. Hi, kristin. Kristen what's going on with you? Well, I had a question about opening a Roth IRA 'cause they pretty talk about different options, and one of my coworkers also listened has mentioned, you know, like a low like a hundred dollar one to start versus like a thousand dollars which I know or other ones that are out there, and I just wanted to if that particular one at the company is worth starting just to start or shy wait to open one of the ones that, you know, require about a thousand dollars or so to open. I love for you to get started. As soon as you can the sooner you get started the better and you get in the habit of putting the money in. Yeah. Month by month and doing automatic deposits to it. So if you're at a point, you can do a hundred dollars. Thank Schwab, allows the one that I that my coworker my coworker had told me you mentioned before, so. Vanguard which is the I think, in the second largest financial group in the world at this point something like that, you know, they have done that with all tra- low costs, Schwab offers a lot of funds that are very low cost and then betterment, is another group that I've talked about. From what's your show, and, you know, my co workers, and parents, and I just want to start somewhere. You know, like you said, getting the habit of contributing, though. Do it one step at a time. I find that when people say, well, I'm gonna get to that the get to that keeps pushing further and further in the future. And if you start with wherever you can in Kristen you just keep adding to it bit by bit. It's amazing over time how much money you will have. AM twenty-five. I've heard you speak. You know on how much growth can happen over, you know, four or five decades and, you know, like you said, you gotta start somewhere so yeah. Figured I'd ask and see what start we'll fantastic. And I think you'll really like the platform on betterment is a place. Geico look into that. Thank you so much. Thank you. Have a great day twenty five and already saving for the future. Zan is with us on the Clark Howard show. How you doing? Doing clark. Here's taking my call. Absolutely you're interested in building money for your future. Good job baby steps. But my question is, so I know use betterment for, you know, number two, thanks. But one of the things they offer is kind of more short term savings and a no, there's been a lot of talk about, you know, the market is due for a decline at some point and this, and that's what your thoughts were on. These nine no, they're they tend to be more heavy in bonds with betterman and things like that. But what your thoughts where for, maybe if you're saving for a car, and three years or engagement rings or short term, wonderful question, those kind of thing. So when you're looking at a goal that is seven years or less it changes the strategy about what you're up to. And when you move under five years, you're no longer an investor for those. Those things you're only a saver. Because there's too much risk. If you're looking at let's say you mention buying a car. Let's say in three years. By car in three years in a three year window you could have a stock market decline of as much as fifty percent. And that's that's common and is not a bad thing. It's how it works is that markets overshoot on the upside, the overshoot on the downside. So in shorter windows, you the markets can be really volatile and some money like that just needs to be like putting into an online savings account. We just keep building up so that you have the money for it. You're not gonna earn much you can earn like one and a quarter percent. One point three five percent, but the money's there. And when you need it, you have it on two days notice. When you start looking out past seven years, then you're absolutely in investment territory, and the difference is if you're looking twenty thirty years down the road and more your overwhelmingly in stock type choices as you get shorter and shorter time, periods from seven let's say to twenty years, then there's a more conservative portfolio that you want. But it would also have a lot of stocks in it. Ama start talking to you about the difference between these like the stocks and bonds. I mean the bonds they Justice fluctuate fluctuate as much as stocks or what store. No binds are historically less. Volatile bonds are significantly historically less volatile than stocks. You know, if you were to go heavily into a bond portfolio for shorter term goals, there'd still be downside risk with it. Gosh. So there are things. People do is an example, people will go in what's called a short or an ultra short, which is a bond fund that isn't gonna earn as much as a normal bond fund, but has much less downside risk than a normal bond portfolio. So there are ways that people can stay at least invested somewhat and lower the risk. But it's mine do a little work, but it still has a little risk. You gotta decide now I am someone willing to take more risks than most people, and I have tax issues. So I do a short municipal bond fund, where I take the risks that could in the short term lose a little bit of money, not any significant amount, but earn more than I would in any Candice savings account or CD. Stephanie's with us here on the Clark Howard show. Hi, stephanie. Hi, how are you Clark? Great. Thank you. Stephanie, you get to go to fund nominal place really excited, Where're you headed Thailand, and Indonesia, I've never been to Indonesia into Thailand twice in my life, and it's just the most magnificent place. Very heavily excited about seeing where are you going to spend more of your time? Most of our time in Thailand in Bangkok. Okay. We are going to take her excursion, or two outside of it Bangkok is not like the rest of Thailand, it'd be like, going to the United States and only seeing New York and thinking that was the United States. So Bangkok is a city that used to be heavily polluted very dirty and run down. And I was there the first time twenty five years ago. And then back last year, I guess it was the change. There is extraordinarily. Yeah. It really is a marvel to see how much they've done in a little more than one generation excellent. But if you go somewhere down to any of the islands and the end and see the pictures that you see that, look impossible, what you'll see with your own eyes is prettier than any publicity photo. You've seen I believe it. Well, I'm really looking forward to my trip and tune. But my question for you, and I thank you for taking my call. Because my question is I I've listened to you for many years. And I know that, you know, make sure use a credit card with no foreign transaction fees. So I've got that all set. I've got a debit card to get cash out when I'm there in both countries that has no ATM fees into foreign transaction fees. But I'd like to get some cash for both countries so that as soon as I hit the ground, I have something, don't worry about it when you who's I you land, and Bangkok. Plenty of ATM's right in the airport terminal really. Yeah, you'll be fine. No chase. Make sure that the provider of your ATM card knows what countries are going to visit when if they have a travel you have to do. Yeah. And you'll have no problem at all. And the worst nightmare of all you just take some. American money with you. And if you just can't get your ATM card to work, you accept the lousy change rate, you get at one of the airport money changers. Okay. Better not to change anything. Absolutely not change a head of time, because the exchange rates that we get in the United States on any foreign currency are probably the worst in the whole world. That's what I was noticing 'cause I was going to do it through my Bank, and I compared the rate, they were showing with the rates that were on the, you know, the app that shows you current currency rates. And there was a huge difference. Yeah. The, you know, we're, we're different than if you think about being in a part of the world where people frequently cross borders, the beauty of the is, as is how incredibly large our country is. But it means we don't interact routinely with other countries, other countries money. And so that's an area we haven't really developed in the United States. And that's why you got. Couched. I see. Okay. So just wait till you land. Okay. Sounds great. Thank you will be very jetlag just get ready. It takes to get there. It's a long trip. It'll be wonderful. And I gotta get into nesia been there yet. Kevin is with us on the Clark Howard show. Hello, Kevin Clarke today. Great. Thank you, Kevin. You want to avoid getting a virus? What do you worry about something from the flu? To, to see what your opinion is on anybody snakes provided by internet service providers. You consume provide the same protection as the paid sweets. I have an opportunity to download one and replace the one I'm paying ninety dollars a year and volley McKay. She hits very good. But I want to get your opinion on that and see what you think. Yeah, if your internet service provider is offering you a free suite of anti virus software. Absolutely find us it, but the thing about any virus software is, there's now, a number of products that are completely free to use. And in fact, I have a list on my free and cheap guide of free, antivirus. But if you are happy with your internet service provider, you're not looking to make a change anytime soon. And they've got free, any virus just take it and use it. Okay. Great. And by the way. For you do that go shop your internet service, provider, and see if maybe you should be making it change to ever their competitor is okay. Well, I did kind of a review about four weeks ago, and I was actually able for the same price pay actually deuce part, I was actually able to bundle my phone and my internet. So this, and it dropped forty dollars off price in my actually increased by internet ban with a thirty percents. I've been through that. Thank you that tip. And so what you just did is a perfect example of what other people should be doing, which is you get comfortable with whoever you're with the Bill, you're paying, and if you go shop your internet service with, you know, if you're with the phone company go shop cable company with cable company, go shop the phone company because right now we pretty much just have this shared monopoly in the country, but they're still. Some competition where you can go shop one from the other. You did it, it safety money and good for you. It's my pleasure to welcome you here, the Clark Howard show is about you learning ways to save more and spend less and don't let anyone ever rip you off earlier. I alluded to the fact that federal stats from the bureau labor statistics show that roughly a million people each year now in the strongest employment economy, we've had forever or still being laid off, and that's because companies will fail, they'll close an office any number of reasons why you might face away off the good news and a really bad news scenario if you are suddenly laid off is that the market is the strongest is been for you. Finding a new job that I can remember in decades. So it's a brutal thing to suddenly find yourself. Being. I love the British expression. Being found redundant. How did they come up with that when they do layoffs in Britain they call it? Redundancy. Who wants to be known as being redundant? But anyway, the thing is, is that, when that happens, it can be a terrible terrible event in your life or in today's job market. It can open up a whole new world to you that you never thought about I really want you. If you are subject to a layoff, or family member spouse, partner is laid off. Let 'em. Go through the shock and the grieving. And then when it's like, what's next, that's when you really come up with a positive way of looking at it, you yourself, or as you talked to somebody you care about, and that is the opportunities it may be there for you using your interests, your skills. Your experience your education. Maybe you've been doing the same thing for a long, long time and you'd like to do something else. Well, draw on what you already know and have done for that fresh start or if what you really love is what you've been doing, and it's what you see is your life's work, and it's what you wanna do know that your years of experience in a really strong job market. Like we have now. That's really positive for you. Finding that next opportunity. You know, we're not gonna have. This strong job market forever. This things go inside goals. And this is an unusual time with the availability of work. So this is your time if you happen to be an unlucky one in this lucky job era to not jump into something else, but take the time to think through, what would really be a step up for you. What would bring some real joy to you is what you do so many hours each and every week? PJ is with us on the Clark Howard show and PJ. Congratulations. You just got married. That's exciting. Isn't it? Well, how can I be of help? Well, I have a crash in the mix between Wales and beneficiaries my husband and I, we don't have any kids together. He has two girls fourteen and eleven and I have a son he fifteen, and we are getting ready to change or beneficiaries on both of our policy at or jobs. Whether it's our insurances or for one ks and I have one child, so I was just going to do everything fifty fifty, but then he has two kids, and I'm a little bit unsure as how or what's the fairest way food that the aid or beneficiaries on our policy? Okay. So there is no right answer to that. There is not a right answer. Sorry, but I'm gonna give you scenarios, and I want to congratulate you for being aware that the beneficiary designation and retirement plan at work and insurance policy through work and insurance policy. You have just on your own, anything that has been officially designations, those matter so much, and they Trump whatever you would put no will. Yeah. So if you let's say in a will you said, well, I want this to go to 'em and I want this go to her, and this go to this person on that, none of that matters, if it something that has within it beneficiary designations, that you've made those are superior to what you put in the language of a will. So is to what's fair, gosh. I mean. I think that what he would decide to do on his beneficiary designations, and what you would do need to work for both parties. And you could either do everything a third to each or fifty percent to your child and fifty percent to be split among his two children. And it's really just a matter of what feels right to both of you. The big thing, though, is hopefully both of you are going to live a long, long, long time. Walk, hopefully so what does feel fair right to you? I don't know. I'm, I'm flit. I I'm split between what feels right to the honest they in my because I only have one child, I just assumed I was going to do mine fifty percent. Fifty percent between my husband and my child, but he has two kids and I think he's mentioned maybe doing his one third one third one third. So you could do something going back to the original establishment in the US constitution. Do a big state, small-state compromise. And that would be where you kind of blend those and your child gets forty percent in each of the other two kids gets thirty percent. They end up with sixty percent of the money and your child would end up with forty and that could be a compromise. You were saying fifty fifty and he was saying. Third third third. So you'd boost what your child was getting or you could do it this way as well. You could do fifty fifty and then he does a third third third. So, in other words, there is no rule book, what's the right way to do it? But don't focus so much just on how you're going to handle each of your retirement accounts because it's a bigger overall picture. And with blended families with minor children. My favorite thing for the two of you to do is go sit down for an hour of time with a lawyer who specializes in Wilson states and trusts. Because there's so many things that the two of you haven't thought about that are issues that could come up over the ears that somebody who this is what he or she does for a living. They're going to help you think through those things. They're all minor children, right? Yeah. All minor children. You said eleven fourteen and fifteen is that what you said. Okay. So with all minor children, there are special issues involved, and that's why seeing a warrior may be having him or her prepare wills for each of you would be extra important in a case like this. So, again, congratulations on your marriage, and this should be a positive thing, looking forward to how you're going to make sure each person's kids your kid and his two that they're a okay if something tragic happened either view and that's why you go see a lawyer and get that done. But again, I'd like you to see one who what he or she does is strictly, the area wills estates and trusts. And Michael is with us on the Clark Howard show. Hello. Michael clark. Great. Thank you. Michael, you're changing jobs. I have changed jobs, and I left a 4._0._1._K at my existing job and I got a new 4._0._1._K at this job also have a business I have on the side that got nice little nest. Egg in the fading in southern give me any interest. So I want to invest that. So I'm contemplating my old job, four one K. If I should take it to like a fidelity account. Or a rollover into the 4._0._1._K here and just my business savings into an fidelity. Okay. So that makes sense. Yeah, let's talk about a couple of things. The old employers for a one K do you happen to know if it's a low cost, moderate cost or high cost for a one K, it's low cost if it's low cost, I mean you have the option of just leaving it there. Okay. But I'm not invest putting into. That's all right. That's all right. You want with the money that you've worked to save and you sacrifice current spending to be able to have money down the road. You wanna have invested as officially as possible. If your new employer has a low cost for a one K you can move the money from the old employers for a one K the new one, and that's a strategy and that way, you don't have all these accounts all over the place. I didn't want different accounts when it comes, you know, something happens to me, or retirement as trying to figure out which I wanna take from sure Roth, none of them are Roth either. So at the thing, I was thinking about if I had a put my 4._0._1._K if shift put into a Roth just to get that out of the way you can't without paying a lot of tax. That was my question I E mail, if I did that what I have to pay besides paying taxes. What other things do have to worry about in something like that. So you'd have to do. So if you take your 4._0._1._K from your ex employer. Into an IRA you then can reclassify or whatever they call, it recapitalize it as a Roth and then you have to pay tax. No penalty, you pay tax on all that money. So if you're in a position, you can afford to pay the tax Bill, then that's a great strategy for the long term. How old are you? Michael. Fifty two. No. I wouldn't bother with that wouldn't bother would not. I would not go through the expense of moving it to a Roth if you just you can leave it at the old company, you can move it to your current employer. You can move it to your own IRA. But what you do with your side business. Extra income putting that in a Roth IRA of your own you who stat. So that's a real advantage to you. See, you have the money you're contributing with your new employer. You have the money from the old employer, and that's all money. They'll be taxable when you retire. And then you do this other pile, the you do the sixty five hundred each year in the Roth IRA Helen work till, you're sixty what? Eight I believe it is the number. That's the goal. But my side business if you'll be I'm an architectural designer. So I can sit this and do this. So I'm eighty years old. You know, if I'm still saying, wonderful also have the option. Let's say you save in the 4._0._1._K at work. You do the Roth IRA. You are also allowed to do a Sep if you wanna put a sad, even more money. I mean you got gloss options here a what sept- simplified employee pension. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That. And so with the set that's perfect. When you have side income, where you can put money in it, because you're being paid independent contractor on what you're doing architectural design was, yes. Yes. Family's going to take a chunk of that, right? Someplace. Right. So the sap allows reduced taxable income. Is that through my employer is that through how you do that on your own? You can go to fan guard, or you can go to Schwab fidelity not Rowe price in either low cost companies. Okay. And you can set up a sap, the paperwork takes about ninety seconds. The sets you can say an enormous amount of money on a flexible basis. Twenty five percent basically this shorthand, but it's twenty five percent of your self employed. Income can go into a south each year. Okay. So let my own pension plan for my company. Exactly. 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Houston, We have a...Trade

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Houston, We have a...Trade

"Welcome back to the meantime show featuring money the only n._f._l. Podcast we're one of the hosts insist on playing even though he's on the publicist. That's funny. It's september it's week one football's upon us almost and i could not be more excited for the guest today you know the expression. Somebody wears a lot of hats. This is the guy who wears a lot of jackets a half guy by any means. It's giving large. I've tried hats in my day from me to you. I can't do ha- i do baseball caps but i cannot pull off a fedora or a pork pie or i've physically large head which in like a regular store is a problem. I think i have a large head to. I've never gotten it measured but fitted caps are always a little bit too snug on me. Kevin clarke from the ringer dot com the ringer n._f._l. Podcast is slow news day coming back here next week next week next week the people wanted to do you have a new jacket in store. I have many new jackets. Yes oh my god i can't i spent the last eight months looking. Oh oh boy yeah. You're gonna mix it up with some bombers. Some narrow complex got some got some bombers yeah it'll be wall have a lot of football takes and all that but we will have have the appropriate jacket allotment seventeen i for the season one episode a week l. boy you came on. I kinda kinda. Wanna come back. You cannot not invite myself. You're welcome to come back. That can be the trade here. You're on the first episode of the playoff size here. We had a great time. We were on the roof yeah. That was great. I they were one of my nicest jackets. I remember very distinctly. Remember laying it out the night before <hes> in advance of your podcast so you and i talked about this episode and we were stoked because finally there's football to talk about in week. One is like an incredible salita games and we were planning on talking about four of them and then saturday morning. David klein trait happened so then. I'm thinking okay well. Maybe we'll talk about three games. Then hours later. The laremy tunsil trade happens so so we're down to a couple of games i wanna talk about in a second half this episode that i'm very excited about but i also wanna get your thoughts on these trades in these teams which which i it's exciting because not only is it was an absolutely insane weekend and are these these trades or mammoth but they also involve teams that are playoff contenders in in terms of seattle and of course miami game houston and so i think there's like ramifications beyond just looking back at the trays and analyzing value so the laremy tunsil trade make sense if this is the last season of football and that's it okay so essentially mortgage for future. I thought it was interesting. Steve powell this tweet the other day basically they've they've secured three linemen with five picks in the first round second round the texans because they taught us how on max that's right so they've basically overreacted to the we have to protect shawn watson narrative do that yes but not like this you don't we'll have to just ruin your franchise not twenty twenty nine twenty twenty one and so eight is i understand what they were doing right but some of their concepts of value were just so strange to me. You know the whole day to me. Reminds me like i keep i always go back to money things on the best sports books ever written and there's a line in there billy bean where he says if you have to do something screwed the texans operated from sunup to sundown on that day as if they had to do something and surprise they write it is interesting to think about also after this preseason. Maybe you know there's a little bit over reaction to how good andre dillard looked for philadelphia. He's another backup left tackle but imagine if if you get him in the draft if they don't get junked by philly will he on an entirely different league really so yeah and so at that moment of twenty nineteen no actually okay so the sliding doors of all of this can be traced back to duane brown around in bob mcnair really if you wanna go all the way back on and how all of this happened in the n._f._l. Like the thirty for thirty on this. What if i told you it begins begins in two thousand seventeen right with dwayne brown the houston texans left tackle basically forcing his way out of houston shambles to seattle yeah. I don't know where it was. The beginning of the bob mcnair it really was so much power our friend seth has but but we think about it kevin so so for those who don't remember how that all played out dwayne who is thirty one or three two at the time <hes> was holding out he comes back. I don't remember that he came back because i think he had to to combat by like week. He's one of those and the report breaks and then dwayne like goes on the record. He's not down with the comments since <hes> for those who've forgotten those other worship report it was amidst all of the cap annex stuff still was very much going on and there was this report about the inmates and the we don't have to relate all of it but wayne was not happy days later traded to seattle for let's see it was a second in a third. I don't wanna say we traded the third and fifth or something but there was a second involved then flash forward to now jevon clowney very much in the driver's seat this entire time it decides i want to go to seattle which matters what we're talking about the value of this trait wiped for sure and he would not sign his tender any place that he didn't wanna go eddie basically full power one of these baseball players that had a list of teams they would go to let's pause there before we get back to this trade and talk about why this doesn't happen more often seven or if it might happen more often because what you're describing this notion of okay. A star plays twenty six. He's a star. He is entering the it would be. He was playing us fifth year option last year right so he's franchise era and he's saying you know what i'm not gonna. Sign the tender. I'm going to choose where i want to go. Explain why this doesn't happen more often so it's because the texans actually bungled it on the front end the value they could have maximized trading him before he was ineligible jabbour to sign an extension at this point coney cannot sign and he's passed the deadline if you trade him around the draft can sign extension with any team that's what happened to afford for instance into clark yes and so we're not signed his tenure but instead he got a ton of money from cheat right so if you wanted to maximize value for clown you trade him in april he would get a long term deal from whoever and whether that's the dolphins or somebody else right some lesser team but the texans had bungled it so much should they could only he basically would sign his tender <hes> he became a one year rental for anybody. There is no situation what she was not basically a six month rental title and that killed their value and then he basically said okay. I'm just going to go to these teams and i won't somebody franchise tender because they cannot entice them with further money exact and enticing is the key word right right because you know i don't know frank. Clark wanted to go to kansas city but hey knowing that he's gonna jet over one hundred million dollars certainly changes the scope kansas city so jimmy gluttony as kevin just explaining he's looking at this year and he's like all right. I can't get paid are thinking. I'm not going to spend in this year in miami thinking. I'm going to spend it with my buddy. Dwayne brown the assistant g._m. The seattle doing brown. I tweeted this between saying in the off season. That seattle should pass more and luring djiboutian to seattle is just having all time off season who has more power than organization schottenheimer swam brown. I hope it's twain. I wanna talk about the door thing because i think that i understand what you're saying that being sliding doors thing the eagles leapfrogged the attack to get them and the story of football is smart teams beat dump teams and i think that just shows you. They're just getting teams like the texans get owned at every corner by teams like the eagles eagles in the patriots and that's just another example of this. They were just going to sit around and wait for andre dillard. I mean who the hell knows what they would have done it. They had that pick right but i just think that. I just think that that's that sums up the n._f._l. So well is that the eagles went out and got their guy and everything is fine for them. The texans waited failed. The old didn't get andrea. Dillard now had to throw unbelievable resources at fixing an offensive line which we'll get to in a second dillard thing is interesting to me kevin by because because look at how much the miami got for tunsil and you gotta think like philadelphia got some offers for because they're so deep at offensive. They're both lines are your boss. Simmons made fun of that with the eagles when we were talking about why people like the eagles and he was a and from keeps saying it's like the the lines and the data and whatnot but it's very true with that team and you've got to think okay here's a team that had a ton of death probably could've traded him or one of their various other linemen but didn't because they want to hold onto their death and they're working on a very different time line from houston these other teams. We're also going to win the super bowl again the next three years so it's how you roseman is an incredible g._m. And one of the things i noticed in watching chip kelly owned by the immersive cincinnati last week. Is i think no one's i don't know if anyone from a football executive standpoint it's ever had a better for years than chip kelly. Excuse then from the moment he got demoted because he spent a year going around a smart people like steve kerr and being teach me about sports and then when he got back accu just went on a heater and now he continues to build basically perennially the best roster and football. It's amazing well. Let's look at what anti bill o'brien. Let's go john schneider schneider. Did oh boy this off season. I look i i loved starter. I rarely do this on my podcast but i am by this this. I mean go full home or you're gonna agree with everything about to say so. It's not a homer take. It's just the accurate take on the seahawks off thing to say it was going to say yeah. Let's hear this okay so just to kind of recap. How this all went down in the exchange of picks. I mean going into the twenty. Nineteen draft seattle had four draft picks okay so then they trade frank clark as we mentioned in time for him to get a long term extension once they still had optionality optionality they swap thirds with kansas city but they get a first rounder in a twenty twenty second rounder and then they do a ton of trades during the draft they ended. I would like three hundred draft picks by the time it was over new sashi brown okay so that happens so they turn that into l. j. collier who may or may not be available for week one and then they take deka metcalf. I think with the second thing they trade up so whatever okay so then clowney they send them burke's mingo who was going to be cut jacob. Martin was bad bingo bad about jacob. Martin who was a sixth round pick who the upside is a pass rusher. I sat behind him on a plane to seattle. He had his dog with him which gives a major points in my book but yell trade him for <hes> jim incline and and <hes> a third which obviously has been had as been has has has been discussed ad nauseam if clowney walks after this year. They'll get a third and seattle's the team. That's probably not going to be super active in free agency. They could actually get that third right and there's this part part of the agreement. They apparently said they wouldn't franchise him which fine i think it's the other two options are more likely they would either let him walk or sign him to a long term deal which is not outside the realm of possibility with today's seattle kind of depends on how they look jarran reed who's also going to be a free agent so basically they traded frank clark jacomb martin burqas mango and a third for clowney l. j. collier and a second and got three million dollars because they got houston to to pay for half seven million dollars deal. Just in case seattle didn't wanna trade to backup linebackers. They had to throw in some cash. This is an embarrassing trade for the texans and so bill o'brien comes out and says well. This was well thought thought i mean we saw south protest too much. It was like we've thought about it so much we can't we couldn't stop thinking about how well thought out and i don't see any evidence that it was well thought out. I think this is the way we're thing you can at least defend even though we'll talk about that well yeah and then there's a defense for i completely agree with no defense for i think part of it is the android wlac thing. I think the part of it says we just saw yes sure thing retired twenty nine because you couldn't protect them and then opening season for playoff contention. That's why you know whatever that's for sure but i think that what's funny to me. Is there was a lot of talk about how all we in. The texans are for twenty nineteen or whatever but i feel like that would include having g._w. And cloudy instead of not having to w and cloudy well that would help them in twenty nine hundred everyone somehow they're maximizing twenty eight. Hey well. You just lost one of your best players from the okay. Let's talk about that because i think it is debatable whether or not houston is better now. I think you can yes look for but they can still a great number two or three receiver. No joke <hes> seattle injuries cuties banged up <hes> <hes> yeah so with sandra who gets opportunity there. No doubt houston's offense is going to be better now. It's debatable. I think how fixed the line is. They really liked what they saw titus our they're moving him in to guard the rookie. I think having him next to tunsil is great for a rookie guard especially one who's changed positions but no question they're at least better while so think we've turned in the last forty eight hours in defensive trade. We've turned tunsil into walter jones about this. He's not not like he's good. He's not like flying into canton. As soon as he retires. He's also gonna get paid a quarterback money. They did the trade without agreeing long-term. I turn to give him a ton of money mortgage their franchise in order to have them just from a football perspective. The offense is better. I think people are underweighting how much worse this. This defense got because first of all the secondary has a million questions this houston secondary. We're talking about houston defense offense and j._j. Watt who yes before jamie clowney ever arrive on scene is when he had his twenty zillion sack season and it was twenty f- <hes> yeah probably not twenty six but clearly got doubled more than j._j. Watt last year one of the best defenders and football unquestionably pizzas loves every football guy in the world so that you debbie uncloudy is the best defender on football and decided they should just sell out to get him. I i think there's this we talk about houston this trade and again with the tunsil thing we talk about them being all in but that's really undermine undermine but what they're losing in not having county this year and by the way there there is also the county well what if why didn't they just keep cloudy and in having play out the year it's possible he would have put a levy on bell right and right exact scientists tender. I will want to parse this because we've been talking about all in for like three ears. It's very possible to go all in and still lose like you can go on a pair nine cousin mean. The chiefs are going. The rams went all in on a pretty good the hand the texans doing it and there's no guarantee. They're even going to win the division. Okay clearly will but it's not they're not gonna fly. I towards the super bowl here. Let's so houston last year outside of what clowney and whitney mercilus had four sacks and he was they asked him to play different roles drop into coverage more. I'm sure he'll contribute more this year. Everyone else on the team combined for three sacks and five quarterback hits like there's no guarantee that past rush is going to be what it was without him. It's on the run defense which is obviously very good last year with him and we'll obviously take a hit. This is a very long way of saying teams should have a general manager. Yes i think so. I think i think the nice and the the g._m. Lobby of of america is really happy about the last for the texan. Everybody keeps saying well okay bill brian jobs in the line. That's why making these moves. He's again all in yep right. We'll setting aside. That's an obvious reason why you don't want a single power structure. Whatever <hes> again i am not sure that that all these moves add up to a better outcome in the short forget the long-term which they obviously don't in the short term either like i think people are underweighting the loss of cloudy on a defense meanwhile in seattle once sharon reed returns. I get to do this this this week. I am not doing this again. Okay okay so you've got read. You've got the god puna ford ford you. Ziggy ansah is apparently playing week one clowning okay i was about to the linebackers traders first reported. I was convinced they were going to have to give up like michael. Hendricks and i was like okay michael kendricks. He's raised that and i was texting my friends a reporter. I was like kendricks rate and so then cagey right bobby wagner by kendrick sea hawks. Have i think next to houston probably the best linebacking group in the n._f._l. Side effect is that they have to keep mingo on the roster the whole year because they can't just be like oh. We're going to cut the he's going to itself the entire season. We're going to have to play them for four hundred snaps just to justify this trade. How much does this you change. How you regard the seahawks going into the season. Well i thought so my colleague robert mays and i did a podcast on friday in which we boosted the teams that could win the super bowl so we do every year and i'm of the theory that you just throw in everybody with an elite quarterback. We're back with the saints two years ago because i said they could win the superbowl pop and mesa they couldn't and so i said listen there on my saints category this year where they've got an elite quarterback all it takes a couple of draft picks to hit and all of a sudden you win the super bowl so i already dot unlike my colleague. They all my colleagues come around. He now thinks they can win the super bowl but they're still audio out there. Trashing the team surfaced over and over and over and others and so yeah i i feel like if you have a good coach. I consider pete carroll good coach. If you have to do quarterback everything comes down to whether or not you get a couple of breaks whether or not the draft class performs and whether or not you no you get a couple of guys rookie contracts at bargain basement deals who play way above their value. I think it's funny. I i did a podcast with the frank kevin pelton new record prediction and i was like no i'm looking at maybe tendency nine hundred seventy eight. It's not like i think clowney. Kony himself is worth two wins as a player but there's a butterfly affleck's when heathrow. It's a butterfly effect. That might be the wrong turkey. There's an effect when you through some sort of affects affect someone can explain to me some sort of scientific when you throw in a player like that because not only with seattle sorely lacking in pass rush which everyone knew about the secondary is fool of question marks. Just absolutely i mean this was a defense that was honestly gonna be bad especially with read out the first six games so now you've got cloudy and they're going to use him as a four three defensive end so he actually yesterday they were asking him about his usage and he was talking about how he was excited about being moved moved around and frankly i based on his scripts and it sounded a lot like the michael bennett role where you push him. You haven't defending the run on early down than move him inside where he's actually better statistically rushing the passer <hes> and it just makes too much sense right and then once you have them there especially when he comes back with anza. It's going to help that secondary kandar that really is not great out a ton so i think they go from being a bat frankly bad defense with average upside to being a average defense with good upside right now plus russell wilson. That's where i stand yeah. I think they've got a good shot at the playoffs. Honestly i think the n._f._c. see has a lot more good teams in the n._f._c. So i think it comes down to a couple of things look at health and then getting lucky late and seasons schedule wins or whatever but i think this yours can be really good houston so after we talked about like you know this idea that people are underrating clouds loss on the defense and a little bit overrating tonsil hustle again. I think tonsils a good player but i don't i would not have given up off i for him. Let alone too. I but that's neither here nor there. I think just you know austin's really quarterback. Ain't they have reminds me actually a little bit of seattle and since they have a handful count on one hand amount of elite players and and then they've got question marks a lot of other places and they've got they got health questions and all that so i think the win the division by default i think indianapolis probably the best fifty three men roster but they have a quarterback who has just been thrown into a starting spot a week before the season started so i think that i would peg them as soon as she south winners brand not a hundred percent confident too bad year to go all in in cleveland. Yeah i think the a._f._c. pack mortar goes new england going in kansas city and then a blonde law got the browns. You've got the texans you've got. I would still put the colt and took a lot of roster tunnel. They see south is absolutely wide open. You could literally every possible. Permutation of those teams is like at this point on the table cable. The titans went into week seventeen. Having all with a playoff spot on the line. Guys running joke on the show like the titans always have nine wins and nobody knows how it happened. Everyone for everyone forgets everyone. Both forget people forget that the town's could of made the playoffs last year and bad. That's just kind of yeah i know. Look this texans offense. <hes> has a lot of talent i by the way i really liked to do johnson edition like they have been so bad at their short. Passing game has been awful in houston so bad passing it to run but he he it is by far the best pass catching they've ever had. He's actually a very efficient runner as well. I don't know how that's all going to shake out and how they're going to use him but i'm not convinced that i put this. It's very terrible that lamar miller was lost injury but he was not inefficient running back last at all <hes>. I think mike big questionnaire on the offense is just bill o'brien quite frankly at this point. I don't trust bill brian to make any any rational decision. If it's i don't i he has shown that we should not trust him to do anything right so i don't exactly actually think he's gonna have a flawless coaching season or in week four. He's not just gonna randomly trade j._j. Watt for for vic beasley or something to shake it up the interview today in g. q. with the andre hopkins any mentioned going to seattle and how well and i was like scheider put in call he's going. I just end wayne brown assistant. I said this on our pod. Yesterday i just want call logs and transcripts from the thirty minutes <music> after those traits just to see like develop. Check ask for deandre hopkins. A fourth like you have to make the call you have to be like the texan's or until right now now they will just accept anything reminds simpson's episode where mr mr burns giving away money and people were just running into his office trying to get it. Does it reminds reminds me that it's like the texans are just on one right now. Let's get whatever we mr. Burns is such an n._f._l. Owner by the way like the how do they never give him him an n._f._l. Team that would have been released spot on episode. <hes> okay so the texans and i want. I guess i wanted to stay on here. A little bit in their prospects prospects the reason why bill o. rien is my concern because i think as we've been discussing talking about bill ryan coach. We're talking about this. The football staff were setting aside value in the trades everything that happened to this point this roster going into this season. Watson comes in as a rookie bill. Brian complete change the offense in the fly. It's wonderful last year win. Shawn watson comes back. I found their offense immensely frustrating. I felt like bill o'brien coach. The team like they had a great defense and a great running game and i was overly conservative and my concern is going to season that they are. They have a okay defense with a lot of concerns as we've been discussing and a lot of weapons on offense in an approved offensive line i would like to see not his scheme reflect that reality and i'm worried that it won't so i feel like there's a red flag anytime an improvement would be the quarterback can fly to every road game. Take a bus because you so banged up if you like. That's that's always a problem so i think that shawn watson being banged up needs to be reflected the scheme i think there were probably a lot of kind of false starts and stops and starts with how that offense came along because john watson was so frigging yeah. I think the line should help. This is a guy shawn. Watson had a historically good touchdown rate for the six or seven games. He played in two thousand seventeen. Doubts 2017. Were just what a moment for six game stretches. We had garoppolo wanted to shawn watson. We really had some great awesome in the final half of last season yeah no i think i still think he's really good. I think he's probably a top ten quarterback. I don't know i haven't done the rankings lately but i think that they have a chance to be. You know eleven or twelve wins it is. I think the line will help. I think that i don't think you necessarily needed laremy tunsil in. I don't think you need to first return so i think you just needed an adult like william davenport had gave up some of the most pressures in football last year. Just get him off the team. I think that's what's so frustrating about this. Texans team is going into this offseason. They had a ton of cap space. They didn't have to do any of this. They could have gotten. I know they were in the mix roger sappho but you you know there weren't a ton of free agent offensive lineman as april. I mean yes things. Things could have been done earlier to get a league average offensive line and look. It's like they forgot. This season started its next week. We've talked about this podcast that p._f. Study about how quarterbacks are responsible for for a lot of their sack and i think that's true but i think just because you have a quarterback russell wilson or does shawn watson who runs around and occasionally usually takes unnecessary sex does not mean you should not invest in your offensive line right like those things are not neutral shouldn't actually be the opposite since you invest more if he wants to hold the ball longer well. I think the notion is he's gonna even if you had like the patriots offensive line he'd be taking a lot outta saks new. I know that but i'm just saying the joke about peyton manning but he gets the ball so quickly that he'll make any alignment with the opposite of that is is someone who just it just takes off scheme all will make you will make bad linemen look quite bad if he ran back the indy thing right like what percentage of it is the offensive line being better and what percent of it is just frank reich and scheme right. It's a mixed blessing arc before we finish talking about this crazy weekend. I want to ask you about miami. <music> accidents processing miami very excited for them to begin every word at slow next year the whole war the whole panel is just going to be the time for us and we're not going to be going to enforcement we didn't take. Do you think this is an absolute win for them because you do your oh yeah okay okay so counterargument and look. I'm mostly with you but i think you could argue. One could argue that hey if the if you're going to get you're young quarterback and you know build around him into the reason i guess an element of that. Is you want to have an offensive line in place. The reason you draft massey's picks is to get guys like larry vessel now obviously the differences you they would have to pay learnt taught so which the council on a vacuum but there is an element of certainty versus ethics yeah a couple of weeks ago about the browns and basically how they got to this place they had one of the best rosters on paper in football and you cannot tell that story without the amount of draft picks and even if you you say okay well. They had a bunch of draft picks. A lot of them didn't hit well. I mean denzel ward is important. He was the fourth pick that they got from the aforementioned houston. Texans like those are the luxuries you have when you have more picks. It's really incredible and i think if you're gonna rebuild the way to do that. Accumulates many high taxes you can take advantage sanjay. The rookie salary cap and you don't need to put a timetable on it. You don't need to say okay. We're going to give a four year deal. Get our quarterback next year. What if next texture they want to trade out. What do they think. I don't know the answer to this. But what did they think to is not the prospect everyone else does. Maybe you can get two more first round picks. Maybe can control the twenty twenty one draft grafton daughter dynasty that way. I think they still have some questions. What are they do. Xavien howard who i think is really good do they. Keep him around during this tank. I don't know the answer to that but i think that the the solution here is to eagles do it the patriots do it. The browns did it the jimmy johnson cowboys. Did it get a lot of picks and and start building. Don't worry about anything else. I think the only i agree with you and i think i do however believe part of the reason the the browns were so well situated. When baker came in was that they had they were ready with that line right the offensive line was largely in place back concern but now that to me doesn't mean that the dolphins necessarily it to keep their title because we let me tonsil and not only was there this opportunity cost of incredible hall that they offer iran but also as we've discussed you'd have to pay a ton of money now potentially the all these picks they could go out and try to rebuild the line as they're taking to <hes> if if that's the world they want to go down and maybe do it at lesser cost because larry causal when you tunsil when you consider not only the cost of his contract but also the cost the picks that they were offered if they're not taking those picks would would have been very expensive in that regard potentially now they go in not only with a ton of picks but also a ton of cap space so they can build that light. I do believe kept like for me. I think it's really important if you're going to start that process with the young quarterback to focus on the offensive line. I agree with you but i what i'm saying is you now. You have so many options you've ammunition. You have cap space just overpay. A left left tackle right out giving up these are the most valuable thing in football is an elite player on a rookie deal right laremy tunsil does not going to be that activists year so you have more chances more chances than anybody going forward to find those elite players murky deals and by the by the way there's no guarantee aaron t that in two years the texans are picking up twenty five right that is usually catch my drift yeah absolutely and like this again given the value. Oh you for laremy tunsil you gotta think they can find a left tackle some way somehow whether it's through the drive through trade through free agency whatever that that when you consider all the factors cost less. We'll see i mean i. I actually think like if if the value was not as high for him a._m. This would be a different discussion because i think they should have kept it in paid him but the fact that they got so much in response to remind changes the tenor of that look. We could talk about this for a long time. It's a media discussion speaking of me. After hearing me talk about butcher box for months haven't taken advantage of their amazing offers. You need to listen up every month which are boxes delivers humanely raised one hundred percent grass fed beef free range organic chicken heritage breed pork and wildcard alaskan salmon directly to your door. Choose from four curated boxes or customize your own box with all of your favorite cuts and with reshipping butcher box makes getting high quality meat with no added hormones or antibiotics easier than ever but you're has a ton of awesome recipes resources on their website. It'll help you bring out all of the favorite flavor of each cut or meat. 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We're gonna talk about shortly in one of these games will cam newton plays entire career and carolina ooh great question yeah. Yes no hold on. I think it's cruise along. Yes careers along. This is the age of the forever quarterback what percentage of a well this'll be an interesting. I'm somebody must've done saying what percentage of court like top fifteen eighteen quarterbacks move around well. I mean a lot of them. I think that drew brees moved around. It was a different situation right. Yeah drew breeze moved around <hes>. I think that you start yeah. Look look at the top top top quarterbacks. Obviously tom brady stayed. Manning did not stay. Quarterbacks assists now in their current form from about age twenty three to forty something like that. That's a lot of time. That's a lot of contracts. The way we pay quarterbacks has changed dramatically and we'll continue to change the way cam. Newton plays has changed and we'll continue to change so i think there's every possibility that he sounds one ordeal and carolina and then they they kind of you know twenty twenty three figure out what's next <hes> yeah and it really just depends on the quarterback in how long they're willing to pay ed. Uh i mean we got rothlisburger. Pittsburgh sleep stayed rivers matt ryan just in the older guys. You know we've got a lot of lifers but yeah. I mean jim. Rogers will probably stay matt. Ryan just signed the first three million dollar. Deal will cam newton. Get that kind of deal. That's the real question rob. This burger just assigned to years one six sixty four see coming up. He had a he actually quite cheap contract. I was going to say was the timing of it was a five year deal deal and it looks like i'm just pulling up the contract right now my computer <hes> okay. Oh it's only twenty twenty so so let me like spin. I think he gets one more deal. David doesn't want to rock the boat. I don't either and he he gives them ordeal and then we'll see we're. I don't think he's going to get top. Who've market. I mean he's thirty one. We'll talk about. We'll talk about him in the season because i think it depends how right and we'll talk about that. 'cause we're gonna talk about that. That game. Which i think is a very good. One is cow asks which n._f._l. Player would be a best fit for hollywood handbook. He suggests jay cutler. It's a comedy podcast that i did. Taylor is an amazing joyce kevin. It's like a podcast where the guests is kind of like a straight man but has to roll with the punches rogers aaron rodgers roll with the punches yeah because but i feel like he'd really depends who the funny person was. Yes exactly that's. I had a nice conversation about two weeks ago. Every race he had so much respect for wreckage erased. I think he would just sit there for like three hundred he would learn the comedian mediums. Idioms do think that's true. I think that's true yeah. That'd be a good choice. Baker would also enjoy it. He's no longer n._f._l. Player and you look would would be quite good. He's got time. He's got plenty of time eight to three. I hope that's not like your license plate. Now asks okay with antonio. Brown gone in pittsburgh. Who's gonna breakout target wise. I mean any of them. It's pittsburgh pittsburgh berg aside from juju a._c. I assume yeah i is washington. Bureau vance mcdonald hype hype train. We talked about last. I think it was last week like who would be the funniest player that pittsburgh could turn into an elite wide receiver since they have so much skill in that regard on that roster yeah i mean obviously it's like you know steph onto it or something yeah yeah. They actually they downplay. They're accurate finding reciting. I actually talked about this last month and as you guys are great at this. What do you look for anything nothing special. We've actually missed. It's like you're. You're not supposed to actually say you're not very good at something. Donald by the way would be great hollywood handbook guy. He's a big cereal. I remember talking about serial. I i came out huge cereal the guy guy i like the idea of ben rothlisberger having been burned for being critical of his teammates now going like super far are being like stefan to it. Just runs great route can no longer say a bad word about everything because i feel so bad about throwing browner the buster zac cook to asks the question for me how old i was when i decided that i wanted to work in football well. I was thirty. Ah having been a business journalist. I did not think why did not thought and yet. I became writer. <hes> i do not think that this was something i was going to be doing until later later in my career so they go kids you can always change the carver 007 like a serial killer kind of name <hes> <hes> they are vaguely serial killer news earlier in the year. Let's say people relieving things that we're finding for me to read without me knowing that they were <hes> racy rigor ron burgundy situation <hes> but like worse yeah. There was an adult film reference that i didn't get so oh which i feel like as a testament to me. Honestly i didn't asks ooh. Okay you can help. This is the last question the top five foods if you could only eat them for the rest of your your life okay so the obviously you should choose like broccoli like you should choose staples but let's throw out staples 'cause i don't wanna think practically the restaurants or churches that you can do either but i'm throwing out like you know bread milk that kind of stuff vegetables jeeze you'd have that's a get so are we can't choose like flaming yawn or can we interesting. I'm fleming fleming on the list portion control. It's actually pretty good for you yeah. If the calorie counts at outback steakhouse are correct. It's probably not gonna be outback steakhouse jeeze. He's you'd want some. I think fron soup is in. There really got too rich for me. It's too rich for joining sue might be number one too much. I can't do what to rich too rich to rich and then you look stupid eating because you're like when you break off the top part and it's kind of weird thing is all the cheese. You don't even want the soup anymore. I know it's like got cake with frosting understate the frosting the texans rosters the french onion only specific one. There's a corn bread stack at a restaurant called fleur de san saying a saint augustine gene that i'll stack. It's a stack of corn bread. I don't know how else to explain. It doesn't deeper not complicated. It's just an it is it is they have like six or seven corn. Bread based dishes <hes> and base dishes. You're gonna want them all my five messages. It just be the five different cornbread dish detaille us in arizona okay so it is a it's it's not it's like a little bit outback. Maybe in terms of like restaurant. It's a chain but it's only in the american southwest and it's amazing. It's tex-mex ax my family's obsessed with it. My dad owns tejas pinned okay and the founder is nick foles with dad what yes yes. That's amazing my favorite act. It's awesome. It really makes me like nick foles so much more than i did because i have such fond memories of eating prickly pear margherita nick foles delicious loaded yeah you. I didn't know that he's as loaded as the nachos. Is the taos yeah <hes>. I didn't give you the five foods. I'll just throw that out. They have an amazing corn bread dish there her as well like you know when i was a kid. I loved blooming onions. <hes> do a lot more outback takes. Ooh i love like a loaded baked potato <hes> oh you know what's really good like the <hes> could sue ya. The crispy fried rice with the tuna on it. Okay i also could use. I've got one of those nice cones of french fries. Oh i love the what's the place everybody goes to the drunk in new york palm free yeah yeah i could i could do that. I don't don't even have it that much but if you're just shaving it down to five things poke holes because i've convinced myself they're helped myself. They're healthy even though they're obviously not like any any tastes good and is not healthy but i think everyone in california is like yeah. Polka bulls their diet food. They're not at all. It's like oily fish with like avocado in like mayonnaise book and fleet like healthy and organic for diet food out here so hungry right now we do. I where we get back to yes to you. Were before we get to the games. If you're listening to this you probably like podcasts or maybe you just like mine. That's cool but i want to tell you about another podcast the ringer n._f._l. Show is one that you should definitely linkup but you should also check out a podcast. We've got e._s._p._n. College football celebrating one hundred fiftieth anniversary we podcast takes you back to some of the most iconic moments in sports such just jimmy johnson transforming costs always style the fall of u._s._c. how michael vick electrified on the field and many of the stories you could check out on the down and distance podcast cast hosted by ivan mozelle all right so the first game. I won't talk about two games. You support teams really and the first game i think both of these games have teams that are not only playoff contenders but i actually think could win super bowl. I the first team. The first game has a team. That's probably a favorite team. That's not do you know which one are talking about the patriots. No panthers actually think they're probably situated simile right like the rams and the patriots are probably seen in that same upper tier and the steelers so i think the rams panther's game is really fascinating because the ram schedule is really difficult to open. They've got <hes> the panthers the saints at home which is gonna be electric and then the browns like there's is a world in which the rams go one into and everybody's freaking out about china mcveigh's preseason strategy do not wanna live in his firing to replace exciting other guy who knows sean i in this game. I have a lot of thoughts on this number one. Did you see lindsay theories story about mcveigh's compass. Today i saw the picture i haven't clicked on. I didn't see the company where i was around. Obviously the team competencies. I think there was a pyramid erm it last year or something or there was some sort of we made a compass for the direction. The team has to go in after the wall. He's moving as andre percent. He moves one direction and it's forward and now oh he has accomplished approve it. Don draper did not actually have accomplished like compass. It looks a little bit like <hes> like i don't even know it looks like a jimmy buffett album cover like that's kind of the compass very nautical as he kind of looks it honestly it's it. It looks like a mariners t-shirt. It looks like maybe looks like he's like ninety dollars. It's like blue and yellow relentless mentally tough connected consistent insistent. We not me is homeless is rarely have that much information biblically. Just tell you what direction are going. This is a long way to say. I've never used a compass. This generation of children with phones never need this. That's true. I don't know if i've used a compass probably probably not i mean like a real like hold it in your hand against had them on me but i haven't actually used it. I have a pretty good sense of direction now i this. This is a long way of saying that super bowl hangover is very very real and it relates to the team they're playing because i had a long conversation with ron rivera last month and i brought up super bowl and i'm sorry maybe he brought the super bowl. It's not important but he talked a lot about it like maybe i love liver. He talked a lot more than maybe i was interested in about the super bowl like he kept going on about specific plays and the one that he lost to denver and you out that fumbled special teams play all that stuff and he went on and on and you get similar vibes from atlanta where sometimes they go into you dark place and they start talking about the second half of that's terrible and i don't think we think enough about how much that really kills you to lose the super bowl and shot mcveigh's vase done a lot of stories. I screwed up the super bowl thoughts about it with a couple of other people but i think that the ability to bounce back from the super bowl and hit the ground running is really really really hard on the patriots apparently can do it. Patriots were the first team to do it. Since nineteen seventy two year also in nineteen seventy dollars literally less to come back and win. They are a little less emotional than most teams in the n._f._l. Really leave it at that and so. I think that i'm fascinated fascinated to see how the rams operate fascinating. I thought there was there was a bookie that released some numbers on how much each quarterback would affect the team's win loss over over-under if they got injured and jeered goff was five wins really yeah. Is it a little high. I mean i guess that the board at the same time yeah blake. They probably have one of the better backup situations in the n._f._l. Excuse me i mean it. Look at the backups. Who's jake jacoby percents. It's back on it. Let me rephrase that there was a game by the way in the preseason it was convey sat bortles in game three and i was like oh no no blake bortles and i had this like moment like what if i had like foreseen myself typing those words going into football game a year ago but they have the better backup situation one of the better backup situation the n._f._l. In that weil i understand they're very says they do not like the system quarterback thing sean mcvay undeniably makes quarterbacks lives a lot easier. He makes wchs every person on the offensive offense their lives easier. He makes todd girlies life a lot easier. He makes the offensive line's life life easier. He makes those wide receivers lives easier and that to me. Kevin is what i'm most interested in going into season and i think is going to be the very quickly because it's a very very challenging front seven which we'll talk about their facing. Does he change any of that. Does he have to should he. Is there a possibility ability that there's an overreaction because you know we talk about teams so much. Let's think of their last game. I think deshaun shawn watson greg sample. Everyone has kind of a bad taste in their mouth about him from that playoff game even though there are many many reasons why he struggled even though he had this incredible comex season when talking about the rams in the super bowl and you and i could talk about that. I don't want to people forget how like this people forget. This offense was unstoppable. So is there like if you're like. Do you think anything about it should be changed going into the season. Well oh couple things number one. I was silent in time because i wanted to see almost guitar desert greg cody where i just wanted to spend yourself out of blake bortles. It's good thing you quitters steering. I had a compass living my own podcast. I would've stopped guys. Just cut this whole thing. I'm sorry i'd reckoning yourself quite well now. He's high variance. I think that there's a couple of thoughts on mcveigh's offense. The first is that i'm intrigued to see how defenses change as this offense proliferates and now there's six or seven teams running this offense. I ain't there are certain things play. Action will always work. We've seen that. I don't know if you saw the appropriate story. Basically the sean mcveigh says that i do nothing new. We basically as we do the same thing that mandy redid and cow shanahan did champion which is in large part truly basically said the narrative out there is that that he himself is running this revolution but mcveigh vam self says it's not there's no revolution. It's just a bunch of good coaches right. I'm intrigued to see how defenses prepare for this offense offense after seeing what ballot check could so and me too and i spoke and i think carolina's uniquely situated us to do that and that's why this game is so fascinating too so we should talk about what bella check did so down the stretch. The rams offense struggled against the bears against the better. Eh some of the better defenses in the n._f._l. So and i think the patriots deserve and have received a ton of credit for their game plan against offense but you saw flashes of that actually near the end of the season you saw line so we know the rams offense. Their formula is well established vouched eleven ton of play action. Basically you got your three wide receivers tight end and you're right max and they all do the same stuff so at at any. There's always run action so at any point. It's like physician list basketball. Any of these players could do something different right and there's a lot obviously an element of deception that concept because you come out with the same you you put on your same face and i don't know where i was going with that analogy and then you make creepy expression and you get data dallas and again i go back to this orlovsky said this to me eight months. I think blue sued rude. Everybody's got the same blue soup pockets where i could give you creepy. Expansion uh-huh so belgian comes out. We're gonna we're. We're just gonna you know. Let's see guys on the line and we're going to do but we're going to do with the different stuff with them. Sometimes done you know. Columbine always get a rush sometimes during augustan sometimes he's going to drop back and by the way doug to hightower is not gonna buy it on play action so we're gonna have a light so we're going to have extreme discipline against play action with our linebacker and meanwhile we're gonna have this very condensed front okay so just to talk about now going into this game and defenses around the oh and by the way we're going to use a lot of deception in the backfield as well which do not that easy to ex- you and we're going to have mccourty cover forty yards on right and play in about half as we start explaining all the things you have to do. It's not easy easy. Okay now. When i think back to that super bowl and the way the rams could have countered that like how do you counter counter what we just described right. Which is this combination of. You've got a bunch of guys in the line. This linebacker is not biting play action necessarily and this a secondary. That's switching coverages well. You gotta have a quick passing game which they didn't really have oh wait. They have daryl henderson now. I don't know i think we're gonna get a lot of these answers pretty early on yeah and it reminds me a little bit a couple years ago of every every four years. There's this thing where the patriots lose the super bowl as well the way to beat. Tom brady four-man rush. Oh yeah who yeah i know. The other coaches yeah getting a form an rush on tom. Brady is really important. That's hard to do for men russia's or what every every single team tries to do. It's like i i it just so simplistic so guess holding the rams to three points is what you wanna do but it's not that easy easy. There's so many intricate things at the patriots as you detailed there. The panthers have a really good friendship. I'm really intrigued to see someone like gerald mccoy fits and yeah. I think he's still got something left in the tank brian burns. I'm really excited to see over the course of a season so i think that there's there's a lot of possibilities here. I agree with you that these are two intriguing n._f._c. teams that might potential to play in the n._f._c. championship game at some point if everything breaks for them or you know with the rams henderson breaks for them that kind of thing and so i don't necessarily i don't necessarily know what game plan. They'll do because i think mcveigh's. He's going to have enough wrinkles to where he's not just going to run what they ran. In the super bowl. There will be some changes. Yeah i mean. There's been a lot of talk in his off season about oh. Maybe a little more twelve. John reports came out. Basically the in training camp was running more twelve personnel and we'll see i think i think with henderson to there's this <hes> okay. Maybe we'll run heavier. Sides people have them both on the field like i just had a quick passing yet griller. Maybe we'll use them in the quick passing game i i don't know i think there's the potential but i think a lot of this is game to game like i think it's not like the rams have to change to go back to kind of where we're talking about with regards to the patriots and what they did and how difficult it is for defensive do that. It's going to depend on the defensive. I think if mcveigh could do it all over he would have done differently against the patriots and and perhaps the bears you know but most teams are not the patriots in the bears. I think the reason i guess the the genius of bill belichick is the game i'm to game changes. Not necessarily you know some systems legal that sort of flexibility i think on the other side of the the ball that the rams defense has the potential to be a lot better this year <hes> i did not see yeah browse furling. I'm looking blurs. The changes world's worst version of sherlock. I'm just trying to figure out the rams chart as a second cousin in the ramle. Yeah thanks for not giving me trouble about this by the way i am constantly being dragged by seahawks. I was a great opportunity for <hes>. Tell arrests wilson please. I would never begrudge someone for taking opportunity. I think that part of the reason i'm so high on the panthers is not just because of the front seven but because of what we saw out of camden in the beginning last season i think this offensive line has a potential to be a lot better. <hes> i did more could take another step forward. I think they could figure out how to use curtis samuel better. I like. I like this offense. I was completely owned by turner last year at me too. Yeah we all were right. Most of us use the daniel jones offense coordinator now on the rams side of the ball. You know they law su who really didn't do a ton until the playoffs last year anyways <hes> and so they've got a new oh by the way we should mention with the ramsey to have two new stars offensive line which i actually think could be a benefit based on how the inside of that line looked at the envelope on defense so defense defense. You've got eric weddell. You've got clay. Matthews on the outside who you know is not what it used to be as a pass rusher <hes> but could add something there and then they grafted gregory taylor route both of whom you'll see situationally i will say this. The rams have not had an outside pass rush since robert quinn. It's literally earned donald and i think off the top of my head. They get fifteen hour produced a little bit at the end but i think that's the x factor because they are super. Hi way down to me to the lesson of those sorts of trades. I was also super donahue rely apple but you put a guy in the right situation and you know smart. Teams can figure that out what the rams have in common. They know what roles these guys need to play. I i think they're going to get more of an outside pass rush which has been nonexistent. I'm still concerned about the run defense which was not good. The los angeles also made wide well. Maybe it doesn't matter the all four teams in the conference. Championship had really really bad run the n._h._l. In it doesn't cost you games in the n._f._l. Anymore doesn't about the super bowl. The rams didn't lose because of the patriots running backs. They lost because it's tom brady. I had one good drive and their offense didn't didn't grow didn't meet it yeah one and literally one cat. I mean that's the n._f._l. Right it comes down to a single play like that but in any case game of inches may now they've got chris mccaffrey and they did lose it during the preseason. The starter who played was the linebacker who mike peiser who they wanted to stop the run so he's out there. I still think the rams are gonna win this game but i think it's real close okay. Let me ask you a question and you don't have special special insight but if you don't want to ask you. Is there any chance at the rams. Just take a huge step back employed this year so for that to happen. I don't think think that's going to happen before that to happen. Thinking through what would that entail necessarily <hes>. I think you'd still have to have no outside. They pass rush. <hes> marcus peters would have to revert to the bad marcus peters last season before he became. I'm good against wants to leave came back. They switched to more of his own <hes> so you'd have to go back to having like a sub average you have to have like a below average defense and then i think it did offensive line if they i will say this. The offensive line is thin the draft two guys tackles goals and like one of them looked pretty good in preseason but if one of those guards goes down there could be especially again because of the nature of the but like as much play action that they run it helps their offense align and girly a lot but if they lose one of them jared goff is significantly worse under pressure now all quarterbacks baxter significant under pressure but he is unique. I think materially like much much worse. It looked the bears game where he was under assault talked tough in the second half of that game looked like he was replaced by like a normal person understands two thousand sixteen off who is a normal person person whose kids fisher all right pick a pick pick a winner and then. Let's move on to the next game firms steelers patriots. I'm really excite about this game as well. I feel like at the beginning of the off season. Everybody was all in on the browns in it feels like just based on my a a compass. It's more of a barometer because someone who doesn't know what compass do using the word incorrectly if feels like the the steelers are getting a lot of heat like i feel like over the last few weeks. Suddenly people are buying into pittsburgh. Do you agree yeah. I think pittsburgh's division you do yeah. I think the browns are gonna wildcard pretty. Good cartoons could come out of the a._f._c. north easily. I i agree with you. I agree with you. I i actually forget who i didn't picked but i know i picked browns to make a wildcard and this to win the division and i think that the steelers still have a lot of talent. I think devon bush can be a really good player. You know it's interesting to me talk to their g._m. Last month and he was saying that they drafted ryan shazier couple years ago they they basically saw that the game was going horizontal and the vertical and they needed sort of a sideline to sideline guy and obviously once franchiser gets at crooning andrew. They didn't have a couple of years now. Devin bush can play that sort of game. He can cover a lot of ground <hes> not saying in any way he's replacement franchisee. They do different things but what i'm saying is that they need that sort of urgent athleticism urging athleticism lazy athletic athleticism take a couple years ago. She showed no athleticism than they. They let them go. There's a lot of athleticism on the i'm with you. I'm with you on bush. Even though no i wouldn't greg roosevelt was on a couple of weeks ago. I joked about how i looked up. The reactions to bush's first breezes in game and a pittsburgh writer compared him to bobby wagner so so that's where we are but no the the the amount of talent seven is really impressive mark barron. I think they're going to i mean i always he's like this defensive line. I think took a real step forward last year so yeah. It's it's a lot of a lot of urgencies athleticism urgent or sneaky. Can you be sneaky if you're a walk brother though i know i know it's a lot a lot of the watch of nopd opener sneaky for a long time verger. I'm not worried about so do one thing where i did. I guess clashed with gregg i don't i he was much more coffee about the secondary and the d._v._d.'s than me <hes> but i think because this front seven seven could be good enough to compensate for that. I am not worried about the offense. It's then rosberg had a really weird season last year the anti yards and interceptions who's on one sure he's always on one. He's doing stuff whether he was getting are doing this stuff since he was doing something always. I think that there's there's no universe in which not having antonio brown helps your team but i think one possible so relying lightning is it probably means is gonna throw a few were interceptions because correct. He will stop throwing yellow balls to antonio brown. That's the one positive i talked to the office coordinator senator about this. He had a couple of things say number one. He said there were he said almost exactly what you said. Which is there's no way to say. Antonio brown get is in addition by subtraction that cannot happen. Antonio brown is a really talented player. However there's two things done pack number one is that ben roethlisberger will not have to force the ball there anymore and then. You didn't have to kind of dead yeah. There's a lot there and then the other thing because they don't know what the offense going to look like yet because they don't know teams are going to play them. Antonio brown's fascinating was unique in that teams would sell out to stop him and kind of gets into the forcing the ball thing there. They don't know how different sue play them with juju. Will they do the same thing they compared you to hines ward of a little bit put them in a little hines award role and they don't know how teams for instance he brought this up. How teams advanced donald this year when they don't know so. It's hard to say here's the exact uh-huh kielmortgage. That's interesting. I'm curious about that. I'm curious about sort of. I've been style of balls at all. I'm curious about they. Don't know if he protects the ball better because he he cost them games last year. Not only did he throw extremely inopportune moments omits which is why he had a weird season despite being a very good quarterback by most other measures both traditional and not. I'm curious to see if this offensive line looks different at all without much. I don't think they will if they're purely healthy right because they're all guys that he's coached. There's ton of continuity but i do think if they're older if any of them goes down that's where you start feeling the absence of your offensive line coach in needing to integrate someone so i think there's potential there in this game in particular kevin i we talked about how this will play the pittsburgh offense. I'm curious to see how this pittsburgh defense that we just praised preser- front seven how they handle the patriots now 'cause i mentioned i think this patriots offense is gonna look very different from last year in not just in terms of the personnel but in terms of scheme and so i'm not sure like look. Let's just call it. What it is the bill belichick his pants this team repeatedly and i am curious to see if the fact that they have better talent changes are approachable great question so i'm intrigued with the patriots offense in general because i think that what did he look like right so one one of the things that intrigues me about it specifically is that there's nothing more exciting than bill belichick having to come up with something being forced to come up with something whether that's julianna would and troy brown defensive back remember when jacoby percent was the starter against texans as dunked all over them that was amazing and and mark variables playing tight end okay sure whatever and those are the kind of things to come out of a desperate situation so they get. They'll have josh gordon when he returns to two full. I guess remains to be seen. Maybe playing the preseason much yeah. I actually haven't seen anything thank michiel harry's on. I started susan jacoby myers hype train. They're just unbelievable. I was getting a lot when i was in detroit for the join practice and i was not there to the patriots working on something detroit and i was getting a lot of tex schramm bill simmons s. magical not. How does tom hombre. You look doesn't care. It was myers so hype train there is going on. I think that there will be probably a little more focus on the heavy stuff. I i wouldn't be surprised to share a little more james devlin. Yeah some people up little harder in this situation do that because the front seven with and yours is better than their their secondary but i would not be surprised see some real cool innovations from bill belichick channels. I think an important factor in thinking through the run game what they i guess how this offense might come out looking at first. David andrews center is also on injured reserve betrayed trade and it'll be. I think that any injury to the line or david andrews is a real potential long from health injury. It's not necessarily a sprained ankle so that that'll be an interesting to wash obviously all the best to them but when when you start thinking about a interior line injury this this early and if they're really trying to go having if they're going to try to do more with the backs issues that could be really important yeah absolutely i think this is going to be a defensive like the identity of this team. Especially early on is going to be the defense. <hes> a defense that i think is really good. I think their secondary is elite. I need a new additive. That's leaping fennell elite not generational. I've got one. What about special okay well. If we cycled out on special special because special you can after the fact act like say you meant something different. We're just like unique advertising. No no no no. I know what you mean but i'm just saying like you can if the secondary gets torso corson week one. It's like well. I said there were special good. I think it's a special secondary. I think that you talked about bill belichick and his creativity when he's lebeau ballot. Check is the guy on survivor who turns a eucalyptus leaf into a knife. I don't know why he would eat a knife life. Maybe to build a shack in any case. Eucalyptus leaf is kyle van noy and i just i i i this point. I don't care about who's on the path. I don't care no it'll be fine. It'll be normal either either. Jeff health mathematics story today on basically got a bunch coaches to talk about why the patriots win and that was a great story but he got saving these guys one of the things joe philbin and remember joe philbin job and he got some thoughts on losing a bowel check and he said the turnover rate is really special and jeff hal in the next program said ed since they got tom brady. Do you know what their turnover rate is their mind yeah it's plus one eighty seven which is a hundred more than anybody else in football doing using the patriots they you don't really care about this game like going to win. I mean let me rephrase that i talked about. I just talked about able to gin up a pass rush out of like a pile of straw some go poop. They didn't pass rush during the regular season last here so it's kind of an accurate statement what i just said like really it was like a completely different animal during the postseason <hes> so it is entirely possible that it doesn't look great at at the beginning of the year but l. nothing matters. I think that seattle and new england have done a really good job proving that september does does not no matter remember those legion of boom teams they would just start like two and two and he'd be like what's wrong with out then they would just be thirteen and three get to the n._f._c. champ game. That's kind of why. I think pittsburgh expert witness. Maybe it's the linus. The patriots lawson weird games last year. They got destroyed by detroit if you remember that yet but that's a you know the titans yes why why do we always forget the great city they have allegedly allegedly on paper and exciting quarterback due to rebrand is that the problem doesn't village ex guys though to who's tanking no oh i listen i i the thing is separate conversation. I would not be sobriety if new england loses game and i also would not be surprised if it doesn't matter at all about the patriots weren't at home burner. I will say i'll throw this out yeah at home with kansas city i think being you and i talked about earlier and wrap it up here. Sort of being an ob- cassidy in new england are obviously in a separate tear from the other teams a._f._c. I do think that that might matter like this. Is all these early games. Yes i new england doesn't care about being the season. 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You have a lot of my favorite stories by andrew luck over the years so i think you have some insight into his brain. What is the weirdest most yet most believable job you could see andrew lucked doing new ooh i so i don't think architect and that that genre is that weird because that's pussies eastern darkness. Yeah i would not be surprised i i'm sorry i don't know why starting my son's like that because i'm about to take yetlis alone historical fiction cornwall and those guys yeah and and i could see him just take a crack at at writing historical fiction yeah just like sexy historical fiction. That's up to him. He wants to take yeah but i think that i think he could. He could write sexiest. What i'm saying is he has the capacity to write sexiest fiction chen but whether or not how sexy wants to make it exactly n._f._l. Now is the judgment freeze matter judgment free yeah. I think he's really into the napoleonic wars and offs owing. A lot of books are even like these serious ones. You have sexy. Oh what i i don't really read. Eh what about the napoleonic wars sexy question three shows succession or do. Who's your favorite succession character <hes> well. It's easy to say cousin greg right <hes>. That's the that's the gimme right. That's that's that's why i'm i'm not going to sam <hes> i actually after the boar on the floor debacle. I'm all in on logan logan wha- episode here really crushed it <hes>. I'm really into tom yeah he. I think it's so hard to make a character. That's despicable yet. Utterly entertaining and i'm so player between tom and greg is it's just unbelievable. The interplay between tom and shift makes me sad. Is that reminds me of like real life couples. I've been around but that's grim. Listen thinks dogs. You never know any by the way it would be ironic. If in writing perky about a prospect who had an offensive line early i was just about to say if he ended up writing historical fiction sexy or not it would be funny because of the whole catholic andrew luxing right like oh yeah i am just like i'm anti i have never enjoyed. I enjoy a parody account on twitter generally ever. Did you see after you took a victory lap. Not only did he take way too long really relate twenty victory lap tweets tweets but then there are other captain dak prescott spout off did <hes> percent or something the whole thing we need. We need to have have a national conversation on twitter account starting with with mind certainly but <hes> but definitely those by the away speaking of your twitter account and you wrong. I forgot i meant to open the show by saying i'm. I'm sorry about the about nathan peterman. I know that at least you still has a job up to <hes> which i think that's you know we all wake up saying that but the the the peterman thing it was really amazing to me because it's clear i kind of figured out a really big big gruden was doing this because he wanted to resurrect nathan peterman not because it was good for the raiders but because it would help him as a quarterback who told that's what i wrote. I was just kind of this is a redemption story for both of them grew and wants to resurrect peterman peterman wants to be resurrected and i think that he's going to keep focused on issue until it absolutely can stop issue until nathan peterman is the starter for the oakland raiders. What is like an analogy for that. I guess frankenstein is the only peterman being frankenstein. Ah the monsters gruden's donkeys dot grew dr scientists. I mean they're certainly a lot of historical precedents for people just forcing using people on onto. I mean there's malian pygmalion yeah. Everybody wants to change somebody into their their perfect vision of a quarterback question for speaking of grooten if there's rules for which teams can be on hard knocks you guys. It's a small group. That's eligible every season mo-. I've seen to get out of it. Throw aside the rules if you could make any team in the n._f._l. Do hard knocks who would have been the raiders. They actually didn't bring it as much needed more access with antonio brown when he was just doing his helmet. I think it's a question of what makes very good hard knocks you have to have. I believe a coach yeah like rex ryan. I ever take on this so there is a netflix documentary and a better themselves in almost every team and they just made each episode anted. Well okay but this is not. I'm not going to go on a formula. One online rant here no good it's really good and so but they just basically like the way that they were in bed with every team. If one team was boring not include them and so you ended up with the most exciting thing of each week they put it on once sitting high told old the n._f._l. I someone at the n._f._l.'s on high at the n._f._l. And i was like you guys you should wash it in the last year and they were like they're like it's good and i was like you. You should do all thirty. Two teams have different show between the antonio brown debacle for sure whatever and they're like no actual answer is to just have all or nothing released each week during the season but it would be different than we completely different but i think that'd be really interesting is if you started to know team will do it not they've. They've they've thought about this but no team will have real time stuff coming through wasn't eventually tell them you have to do it. I liked how that your explanation began with. I told the n._f._l. Before you said it was a problem when you said that it was n._f._l. Right writing to their standard standard email box response <hes> i. I think you're right. It would never happen but that is the way to get the best content undoubtedly eventually the money's gonna become so good yeah well you you know my take is with this whole thing is that they should just at some point start televising joint practices because they're by far the most entertaining they're significantly more entertaining eating in preseason games. I'll tell the n._f._l. Last question has always thomas comes from letty. Look i you know i have no control over what he asks guests so he wants to know if you still think andy dalton is better than aaron rodgers well. You know it's a great question. <hes> i'm ben baldwin of seahawks twitter fame. He'll gets mentioned on this podcast way more than he really should. He put out. It's typical analysis. Just the other day do not the basically that they know over the years. They're fairly similar players. I think from a talent standpoint aaron rogers says a lot more but i think aaron rodgers production has not been particularly good. Wow that's a couple of years is the teaser cheeser for this podcast and you're gonna be on please don't and i really like aaron rodgers person and but i do not consider him at present in elite elite corp who who are the elite elite quarterbacks russell wilson. Tom brady patrick mahomes elite of the elite. <hes> drew brees philip rivers. There right shouldn't we. This is a whole other conversation. I'm very curious to see what reason rivers look like out the gate after the end of last season but yeah i would put him in there. I don't want to fullest here. I think there's a it comes down to like like is matt ryan elite elite. He had really the offense numbers last year. The team just had injuries all around matt ryan hive. I've planted my flat. I know do you put on a pedestal with mahomes. No no this is the best hillary isn't the elite elite just patrick mahomes and tom brady. It's patrick mahomes. That's it yeah so kevin. Clark thinks aaron rodgers washed rushed. That's you you're saying that. You're trying to get me to say that you can tweet it. Say interesting dots here uh-huh.

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Offseason Preview With Albert Breer and Kevin Clark | Dual Threat With Ryen Russillo (Ep. 23)

Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo

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Offseason Preview With Albert Breer and Kevin Clark | Dual Threat With Ryen Russillo (Ep. 23)

"Yeah. What's up everybody? Happy posts Super Bowl amount of little dayquil kick right now still feel like myself. But you know, I spent three days with Sarah Walsh met, which means twins in Nashville. So of course, right before I left one got sick. But I'm not sick sick. Like, I'm not. Hey, I wish I were married. Sick wish show live closer my family. I'm grinding through this content. Whatever I'm feeling right now, it's not going to get in the way, a content or legs a little bit later. So we have a good plan for you a bunch of live rates. Can't wait to read the ads. They're going to be crazy. Good today. And I want to do a little bit of a recap, but more looking forward to the NFL off-season, and maybe just maybe a little solo time because I know how much nephew enjoys the nightlife of talk a little bit about Atlanta and being there for a couple of days because I was there for three nights bounced on Saturday. All right. So we'll do all that. But first before we get to Kevin Clarke from the ringer off season stuff and rapid fire questions. We're gonna start with Burr breer from the Monday morning. Bac? I've known him since stays back in Boston. So we'll start there. Okay. Before all that. I wanna tell you about the folks at mizzen and main you or someone you know may be suffering from textile dysfunction leading to poor performance in your guy shirts. See what they did? There, thankfully, mizzen and main has developed a cure, their dress shirts are moisture wyking wrinkle resistant, and require no ironing or dry cleaning head to mizzen and main dot com to discover the longest lasting best look for men and use promo code dual. Do you A L for ten dollars off any drescher mizzen? And main look great longer. What's up, man? It's good to talk with you. I know we've kind of talked about this in August. But I'm thrilled to have you on. So let's start with this. How many years did you cover the pats when were with the boss newspaper? I think I was five act seven for like eight nine months. I left for Dallas ember of the ear, and then I came back, and I work for all the national writer there. So I new vision that will McDonough health from those years, I was there in old times before NFL. Okay. So that right. So a bunch of years, and I just wanted to be a wasn't gonna get the resume. Right. What do other teams, and I'm just a guy watching? So let me set this up before asked a question. I'm just a guy watching constantly in amazement of what's happened here. I think any of us that have watched league for many years, we have and you covering it. Do you have other football? For offices coaches ask you about your time there and things that you picked up that maybe you're different or lead to their success. Just I'd I'd imagine over the years you cover in this league that it's not just you always interviewing the football topic or football percents them kind of picking your brain on what you saw bell check in Foxborough. Yeah. You know, I actually keep you from the other problem. I was at team Monday night. We were talking about that. And the ANSA having other teams about about the Pacers to like you can't replicate what they've done because they've got Brady. Ballot. Check and that makes them different from everyone out. And so I asked about what I've seen. What what I've seen that on say, she, you know, you always talk about how versatile they are. And how they change from one thing to the next quickly. And you know, so I'm I'm asking dinner with someone the other night. We're talking about the actual game itself. And it was interesting to talk about how they just and Al defense twenty of that game plays man of the year. And then all of a sudden they there don't Sunday night. And how the office, you know, they come out the fourth four hundred assess if they made was they went to I now to back, and they grew out of it, you know, and they were putting out. Pullback, and and basically playing spread football with a bunch of people to force the Rams take people onto the field. And the whole thing was well, no aren't got everybody can do that. That's a really hard thing to do. And so we kinda talk about divorce suborn. It's like, well, that's why the less Allen a lot of other because they're looking for the players who can do those sorts of thing. And as the conversation of all sizes to me, it's like that's why balance piston can't win anywhere else. And I'm like, well, what do you mean by that? He says, well, the reason they can't win anywhere else is because if you're not build and you can't play Jeff that what bills. Yeah. You know? And so Bill guess all these pieces that are that that are flexible, and they can do their thing. And if you're Bill that's great. That means you're storing with the other team able to just kind of use against them knowledge, different stuff. But if you're not Bill, then you're just playing with a bunch of talented guys, you know. And so I thought that was really interesting if that what they do. Is so institutional who they are. And so because they have chicken Brady, and that allows them on no one else can do sort of me that that like the SuperBowl in that way. In Illinois state of what everybody's bent for all bent, the all these years. They say there there's an advantage having Pradier ballot. Check gives the patriots the goes beyond. Just you know one's a great coach wants report of that. Brian floor is in this is always kind of a weird thing with wing Lind. Whether or not they gave you the title of OC or defensive coordinator over the years. I mean, they've done this before with other guys. And he technically wasn't the DC. He heads out of Miami. I've seen a bunch of his coaching tree guys. Like Charlie weis as always kinda this Charlie weis. He was almost like this Bill Parcells guy more than he was bell, check, ripe Romeo. I think was always very consistently Romeo Cornell, Josh mcdaniels. I I wasn't there in Denver. It was it was great in the beginning. He was great. He was young. He was versatile. You understood young players. And then he was young and terrible and stupid and know didn't understand it. Once they started losing games. You obviously pointing the exaggeration on both sides. But man, genie's somebody that I'm really glad I got to know because I like him as much as any NFL coach I've ever met. I got the Noam when he was at ESPN, he incredibly impressive. But he and he's admitted this has made them made the mistake of almost doing this bell check impersonation when he was with the jets, and it wasn't really. Who he was? And then it didn't work, and I think the same things happening with Matt Patricia in Detroit. I don't know what he's trying to do. But it's rubbing everybody the wrong way there if they win games, and maybe no one will care, but with Flora's what should Miami fans, and what is what is different maybe about him in some of these other guys on the bell. Check tree. Well, it definitely is owned band. You know, and that way I think he has the advantage that Bill O'Brien has and he hasn't without having been anywhere else flows. Only worth doing going. And that's generally, you know, that that's why it happened. Josh. That's why have air because they had worked for right? And so I do think he's gonna be own band keeps them, you know, sort of what I think Brian had Jill Brian really come up under George Larry not ballot. Check. Right. He's just metal career. Here's the other thing. I think that you wanna look at it. They're Miami hit look at the types of players. He bring that. Okay. O'brien adjusted and I think that that's what's really important here. If you look at his he gets his roster. No one would ever say that they did not try to bring the most talented guys found his team watts on that team Hopkins on team. They've got a lot of do team. Right. The one place where Brian dot com. This is blind was Ford believing. I just don't put a smart guy back there when you could do it with lawyer. He thought he could attach if you know what eventually realized he was wrong. He just as often it goes in any burns into Shawn Watson it. So I noticed it in in mallet there. Right. Right. Well, I write about the rhyme out. Genia, but he leaves. He was just I think I think it's fair to say we can agree. He was not a genius. Right. Right. But he did have knowledge that system, and I think that's like O'Brien fell into that. Specifically quarterback. You know, I and the gift selling doing across the board like they were bringing in those sorts the guys that fellowship fires, and I eat Bella shy. And unless you're the net level like I just unbelievable like unbelievable coach, it's really really hard to pull that off. And there's a humility that you know, I think these guys have to have to realize I can't do a Bill because Bill is just fill transcend, you know. And so I think the important thing to watch the floor is gonna be what type of layers is he iron. And if he's just firing, you know, sparks is or just average, you know that can be a red flag because I mean, I'm not saying he can't be Bill. There's only been one of them, you know. And so I think you gotta look out for, but I do think he will be his own band, which is which is half the battle. Here was you know, where? Up a little bit. We're up a little bit. And that's actually where I think they'll O'Brien because he was that you've been and maybe this needs to be updated. So correct me if I'm off your little bit. But I think when all the Cuyler Murray hysteria started up use him to be somebody that had more information on people being not pessimistic. But maybe more down what his prospects were as an NFL quarterback. Where are you at with that now? And yeah, like tell us a little bit more about the insight that you're getting from front offices that maybe don't like miss much media does he has. So I still haven't talked to anybody who has a first round grade on the important caveat. There is lots of guys don't have first round grades at that position. In the first round. It's just the way it is the value the physician guys get overdrafted there things can happen. You know, I don't think people thought this time last year that Baker Mayfield was going to be number one overall pick. He wasn't first-round consideration founded the first round pick. But I don't know too many people thought it would be the first overall pick. So definitely rise to the process. You know there. A couple of things with him. And I think that the the big thing is you really stretching my size thing with them. If you if you look at Baker Mayfield, he was short wasn't small. If you look a Russell short wasn't ball with Murray is stored in fall. And so that becomes an issue because if you're going to play 'em third way. And I mean right now, if you're say played them in Oklahoma, you got to move around and finds if you don't play a certain way that will not Mayes what out of going to get a lot. Maybe a lot. You know, you need to sort of frame to hold up. And so I that's very real fush. You know, obviously only started a year. He doesn't have quite the armed palace that he's done a close farm, but doesn't have quite the arm talents that if acre had baiter even though he was fifty all people. I talked to Saudi was the most accurate quarterback. They never see out of college. So I think that there I the consensus dot on him over the last. I say to thirty nine is that he's Friday fast with around two to three. But again, I mean, it's apparition you never know and things concern pretty quickly, and you know, one team likes him and other team I seven I think he knows. Well, as anyone else Ryan is if you're sit there say I long term for a long-term starting quarterback. We have a second round right on them. If they're easily talk yourself if first-round right? I mean that makes sense in in every year, you know, asking mcshea or those guys and be like how many first round grades. He actually have and it rarely is thirty two. Sometimes right, really deep. It will be beyond that. But more often than not. I'd be like, oh, it's you know, it's twenty two players twenty eight players something like that. Okay. So that's that's there. I know there's there's two Albers that I know the one I really like in the Ohio State guy that tweets. And what do you have on Haskins? I think the leader in the clubhouse through the first floor back taking right now nothing to three from are you laughing right now. Are you laughing a little bit right now because you sound like you're smiling? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that like honestly like with him. I think there's obviously if you watch him you see the ability, it's pretty obvious. I mean, he gets he can throw the ball as well anyone and he's accurate. I think it really urging thing about him the only started a year. But as the year went on different quarterback guy who was born to the Faulk. It'll better I was learning around a little bit better by all accounts, really hit. He got himself in a lot earlier the year. And I think that that's going to be the flash teams are going to ask him as he's a bigger player. He's not all that. And he's still learning. He's gonna have to learn to move around in the possible better and avoid. Avoid hit a little bit better. If he can do that there's a lot of work with their there's still the question, of course, he's only got a certain amount of starts. But you know, and I, and I don't think he would've been you know, that I'm on quarterback last year last, but. I in an average people for us right now. He's number one doesn't need a loss to be the first quarter back off the board for right now. He's pretty firmly in the driver's seat through the first floor back day. This may be the most stable. I can remember seeing all thirty two teams be quarterback collectively. Yep. Miami jacksonville. The giants maybe Tampa. Maybe they have some backup plan. Yeah. Denver. I mean, at least. Yeah. Right. I mean, it feels like keenum for at least another year, even though they've mentioned, I think just common sense that that Denver would say, hey, we know that the long-term keenum's probably not going to be our guy here for next ten years. Right. But that's that's that's adding to that's adding to right now that we know who their week one starters in two thousand nineteen so it's really like three. Do you have any gauge on those three teams? Okay. So you said Jacksonville Miami. And the giants unless there's a fourth you'd think should be included in that. Because the uncertainty the reason Denver Tampa. And there is at least I know again like I said starting week one. Yeah. I mean, I think there are number games that have starting quarterback where you know, you look at them ISE. Okay. Well, I mean, Washington I would definitely put that girth to now. I don't I don't think there's any seven. Yeah. We're gonna play again put them in that group. Also. Man. I I there's a there's a chance chance he never played. And and and what I mean, here's thing Ryan with that one. I mean, he could wind up going back then here, but there's no precedent for someone coming back from his injury. And so there. This. 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Many kegs of beer equivalent to two six packs to hops glasses and membership in the monthly beer club. All for ninety nine dollars, terms and conditions apply. Okay. Here we go get Kevin Clarke from the ringer. You guys. I hope you know, each other. I didn't even ask it hits on if you liked each other or not. So this could get really awkward, right? No, we've known each other for years get along quite well. I don't wanna see for Robert. But I think we get along quite well. I'm pretty good faking. It. Good. Okay. Here we go eight questions or maybe more. I don't know might be nine rapid fire feel free to you know, doesn't have to be one word answer here. Little bit of explanation. Okay. So with all the quarterbacks who saw the foles news them picking up the option him opting out that could be one example, give me and we'll start with Kevin here. Give me the best quarterback. That's which is teams the best season coming up in two thousand nineteen. Going forward. I think there's gonna be some move route thinking about what it Cincinnati. Do. They buy any Dalton immediately that kind of thing today draft the guy I'm looking at Ryan tannehill. Because I know that he thinks the most likely guy who's position right now to be a starter who can move teams off. I think the dolphins might move away from him. And if that happens, I think he has I think it's more tools than we think if he can stay healthy. And I think that if he gets the right coach, I mean on the not going to happen. But you know, it Sean McVay ever got Ryan tannehill. I think we're looking at. It's pretty good Ryan panel, maybe four or five lock out. They'll be looking quarterback off season. Okay. I'm gonna go with teddy Bridgewater going to the long. Wow. So visits as Brian on situation and everything around the quarterback Jay Gruden gotten. A lot got a lot out of ties in south force. If they had something to do with that and Jaeger pretty good year house before he went down last year, I visited back stuff themselves position. So I'm gonna give you any Brits on her sewing the rest in my runner off would be if Nick foles lines up Jacksonville based on what around there as the fact that he Philippos there now and knows him and knows how to use those plus out of that might be another one to watch too. Okay. Give me the biggest free agent signing for this year. I'm gonna give you the jet signing Levy on bell Anton out how about that TV. Oh, I think it's yet. He has been loading up to try and get one of the past or if have cleared all this one of these teams set now that are way to find a pass rusher. And I'm not here to list. Ryan a lot of games on there. Deport departure forest being clowney. Frank clark. I think a lot of guys wind feeding fat. And so one guy who I I'm pretty Cyril biggest marketed Fowler. I think those damn and bell what we're price that you wind up with the jet. I think that the jets on bell written all over them. I think that there is a couple of things they look I I was gonna agree with Albert Zeta has like end up. Pag I think we might be some of you know, a couple of minutes of market and not resigned. I think that I think we've all forgotten about in down the consumer entirely possible that he changed teams and e could find a new home and be quite good. You guys are really good on the timing. Russell Wilson one year left on his deal recently reported that there were no discussions. We don't that doesn't necessarily mean. Anything give me Kevin a guess on what his guaranteed money is. And what are we looking to surpass one hundred million with Andrew luck guaranteed and that Ryan well in reset the market and Matt Ryan, if not in Iran, I think that's the Roger's deal, but an outlier because he no he could've done the weird MBA or any holds out five to get a percentage of, you know, change the contracts. They're all going forward. He didn't do that. They overpaid order to get him under contract now. So I think he's looking above a hundred million. Matt Ryan got last summer. I think that Jon I think they'll get it. I also think that he does. I mean, he told make clear to go. He wanted to make so much in the NFL. You could buy a team afterwards. I think their franchise the drive the price up. You're basically looking at thirty million a year. So I think it starts. Hundred gets it quite easily. I'm not positive that. He gets over a hundred million because I can't he wants to shorter deal. That's why he's here the first plane. It was I mean one one mistake that the public make a lot of time guys. They look at deal of maybe look at the extra years, they look at the gross stumper. Right. So like, Pat home, for example, people are talking about him getting two billion dollar deal. I'm not sure he hits that number because if he's martyr for him to do sugar deal. That's the way it worked in the NFL. And Russell Wilson is again in this decision this young as you get a third contract because he only did a forty or deal in two thousand fifteen and so my guess is is that that he desires I still repeal. And so I think a good percentage of the deal is going to be guaranteed a very high percents feels began he, but it might come in under a hundred million if he decides, hey, I just wanna three year deal. So I can be up again when the but. Don't you think it's over he gets three years and hundred I mean, going off of this whole that FOSS the best possible. That's why I'm saying. Certainly possible. But that's why I'm saying I don't think I don't think there's thing that he's going to get over one hundred ninety guaranteed. Just because I mean, he he he's gotta pay full agents. They asked creatively. The last time. I think it's paid off doing scooter deal then and I think that probably they look for short field, which mean that the actual number might be a little loan. And you know, that's a really good point though on the three years like just do a three year get over here Rogers average annual salary of thirty three point five million. And then maybe it gets them right at one hundred. But you know, the way people are talking about this that I've read like, oh, he's gonna try to reset the market one hundred and twenty hundred and forty I may have misspoke, by the way on the Angela hundred million guaranteed. I haven't now at eighty seven million. So unless there was some second twelve month payment, and they're they're gonna be one hundred you guys know better than I would do I need to be corrected on that. Or is it just actually eighty seven about eighty seven was. It was before me fuck eighty the other things. I mean, I don't think we should underrate. We're still close to the end of the CPA now. No tunnel. Some of the higher players aren't going to be. Fact be very different in two or three years. And so I think you're gonna see I think the foreign agents the smart players see some reluctant to do, you know, four five fifth year essentially right now because the landscape that'd be completely different happened in the NBA. It happened in the NBA, and it was always the Durant. Sing Durant, and this magin this when Durant scientist I extension, which is the only extension. He was gonna sign because it was off the rookie deal. He was praised as the anti LeBron. And it was also strategically done because they didn't know what the new CBA was gonna look like. So the way you're talking right now. Almost sounds as if you're saying these guys wanna do shorter deals because the new deal be better for players. Do we know that? I mean, the caps go up the new TV deal. But we don't know if the I mean, it could be even worse on the split. Like, I was kinda laugh when it says like. But here's the thing. Here's the thing about football contract is once you get into like year four year five those are just options. Rightly once you get like, most football, both football contracts. Don't have guarantees past three years is when you get any year four year five visit bad deal for the team. Usually the team could just you. You know, this is my first football. Extra years on any NFL deal is giving the team control over you. And that's why I think it's just just like that. It's like her cousins dealers for years because one have your five and there's been almost no feeling NFL history. That gives any player any I control pass for eighty four million of history. You're guaranteed. Speaking of Kirk cousins, filling the blank the Kirk cousins era in Minnesota will remembered as. I will say a moderate, except I think the in these three or periods of time he gets to the NFC championship game. I think the window was this year. When you think about you know, they they had the pieces. I Anthony Barr is one of the most intriguing off even just decisions that's out there. Don't even know what you do with them at this point. I didn't think that they I don't know what you're older my them. I feel like twenty say mad. Everybody should have made a much better run than actually did. They obviously screw up people higher. I think at some point maybe figures now they have a little miniature on, but I don't feel as quarterback at all. I agree with Kevin. I think maters assess the right way to put it. I think that this situation you into wasn't the best in the world. Of course, you have to be Lippo saying beyond that though, I big pieces. Their offense of line was a mess. And I think I certainly. Underrated it because I think them to win the people all I guess, I think that the the one thing that maybe we we all this was case keenum with a really good fit for that often because of the offense of line, she'll they really needed somebody back there who could improvise playoff schedule Kirk cousins game. If you ask anybody who's coached him. You know, you Jake her and Sean McVay whoever it is game is all about rhythm and playing on playing schedule and timing all that different stuff. If you've got the wine issues liking, that's almost impossible. And so I think over the next two years. Judge Kirk cousins is going to be hung up on Rick Spielman. Mike them our whole staff civility to find a way to fix that off before. Good stuff. All right. Gimme a quick one on this first round pick you early love. And february. Josh Allen the linebacker from Kentucky. I could easily say goes our sisters do that would be really good player too. I just think you know, when you talk about where the NFL going. I think on both sides of the ball. They're sort of like this this friend position list. I certainly think and I know you love their when James Kevin James fishing that guy. I think that the Josh Allen with like me is Tremaine Adleman who had a great rookie year in buffalo. A guy who you know, he's coming into the league not everybody's gonna know what to do with him. He can play off. We can play down Kentucky coaches used them all over the place. Josh Allens the guy. That's really interesting. Maybe you can use them in so many different thoughts. Okay. Kevin. All right. Josh Allen from Kentucky. I think he has the apparatus ISM that you just need on a defense. I think at team at that top of the draft depending on what Kingsbury is gonna do. I can see him. Maybe San Francisco is the fit. I think that there's there's going to be a team against him. I'm gonna just over hype San Francisco so much because I love what Chena and has done often he made Nick Mullins into the mid tier quarterback. So Josh Allen told relax man, we haven't done enough Nick Mullins contents. And maybe we'll do that in the next. May move. Okay. Three more here. Give me your dream triplets and it's for one season. So that means one quarterback one wide receiver one running back for two thousand nineteen. I will say Patrick Mahomes within Tonio Brown and his ability to make cuts in the open field and get open and extend play and for running back. I would still probably choose Alvin Kamara in that spot. Wow. That's sneaky, good one bird. Okay. So at quarterback I'm gonna go with Tom Brady because for one year, I feel like the things that he does at the end of the game. Just I like we offer granted now but four line of possible what Shovellers there so Brady quarterback? I'm gonna take fake on running back. I sort of feel like I don't know like like deacon and Todd Gurley and and let Levy on they'll fit this category. The new type running back the NFL is two hundred thirty pound guys plan all three now. And that's what stake on is really the model for cynic wine. Cynic line running back because you can do so many different things with them. And then my my receivers the Andre Hopkins has the ability to take over a game. I'm like any receiver in the NFL. And just I I feel like if you're gonna have one guy you wanna build around vision gotta be somebody physically dominate and who gets people out of and it won't matter. And that's why I feel like. If I may drop in no, get bread beach told me that when he scouting now form a home. He's looking for an Antonio Brown type because you can extend those plays. So I think we might if the candidy scouting does their job. We might be an Tonio Brown type in Kansas City next year is that as easy as Brown side Donio Brown himself. Maybe he didn't say that this. You know, you never know. Wow. That's I had Mahomes Hopkins in marketing the reason I went with Hopkins. I don't feel like I have to deal with any of the stuff. I have to deal with with the other top wide receivers. You know? Yeah. Julio would be more about maybe abilities in the field. Whenever I watch Hopkins. I know that he's not the athlete that Odell is. But I just was that what's that term? Everybody loves catch radius. That dude is due it or when it comes to catch radius. Okay. Two more quick ones longer. New england. Bella checker Brady. Okay. Ballot. Check. I I know bell is said in the past that he not gonna coach and do a seventy I my sense is always been him that and I've never got necessity being done. My sense is that he's still very happy with what are you? What what he's doing for a living. He's challenged every day. And I also think he's got that place wired so point where I'm not gonna say it's turnkey. But he doesn't need to work as hard as you have to. And so I think Texan outlast Brady, and I do think he's gonna see your slash. Album when you said he'd had the place wired that you're gonna go to different direction there. But okay. So I think it's I think belch I clocked. Longer. And here's why I think that obviously the age thing is really important, and we've seen coaches go above age seventy we have not seen quarterback o of age forty four forty five whatever it is. Br you want to get to. But I also think that and this is something we've talked about right? I think Bella check wants to see what he can do with the stopgap quarterback. I just think that think think of the different things you could do I remember the night that Jacoby percents started for them. He he worked wonders there. So I just think that he would like one season where he gets to just either mad scientists he couldn't necessarily be at the quarterback vision because he has the best ever play the game. And I do I jump in. Ryan, I just say that. Don't look very much like this isn't anything can Tom. But I think he would like to he win one or at least ten with somebody who's not I that was going to be Jimmy. It's a one there's one biggest they can sell check volleys found Bush over the last nineteen years. It's only got the best player of all time with a hundred ninety nine six I think Jimmy was way to sort of about. I think one of the reasons he root for Jimmy and pray Jimmy to a place where he really respect for coach is because he feels like Jimmy keys don't show that he's developed other quarterback. And I think he would love to be able to France dish in New England into the next quarterback. And so that was happening. The last nineteen years wasn't all break. Do you guys have a question for each other closes out? What do you got Kevin anything? He got our where are you going on vacation after this all gets done? Oh, that well, I take my kids to DisneyWorld who week my parents had a timeshare Jupiter, and then we're going to Orlando knows your hometown, right? Wait, have you ever seen Bella check and Jupiter? I I've not only the balancing the parcel of politics there. I heard some stories about people running into ballot. Check it like the Palm Beach publics. Wow. Thing it out fucking. Yeah. I mean, you have to go to Publix if you're in Florida, so I don't I'm not. I don't feel. That's weird. That's just where you go. Like the town hall. Everyone goes to vote. Yeah. I gotcha. Gotcha. I don't know what you consider going. Busy with vacation. That's dependable, right. Yeah. Fine tressel. Yeah. It'd be my first cry out. Kevin. Oh god. I don't know if I have anything Kevin. What are you doing with your time? Now, I'm literally in Hilton Head South Carolina right now. Awesome. Go. No, I tr- maybe tomorrow. I gotta tell ya. Not cheap Gulf around here known. I golf. So do you. You know, someone down there or do you just decide to go there? No, my wife, and I we we were in Atlanta. She came. Remember, we drove three hours. And then then I was gonna get I was gonna just totally turn off. And then ryen russillo asking it'd be on a par. I know I actually do really appreciate it. So that means I'm going to say goodbye to breer here because you've been on for a lot longer than I told you I was going to have you on. But that was really great. Thanks so much. All right. You gotta ride. Before we get to a little solo Kevin Clark here on what to look for this off season. Wanna tell you about the friends of ours? The do three podcast at BC post when you're constantly on the go. There's not much time to think about upgrading your Stoller apartment. 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And then after the fact it's like, well, I think did you have the tweet where he basically said. Mcvay tries to see the field for Gough, and it was never more apparent than that Super Bowl. Just it felt like stuff like that. But I just I'm not a huge fan of the everybody make fun of McVay and McVeigh hires now after the fact because he didn't win against Bella check in the offense was held the three points. But I think there's a smart conversation about all of the things we're talking about with the Rams McVay who Goff is. Yeah. I mean, you also have to look at it. Wade Phillips did the same thing to to McVay that bell to two hundred Josh mcdaniels excuse me that Bellichik did to to McVeigh. And so it's not like the patriots won that game by forty points. This is just too old men just destroying to young people that that's what that was that was old man's strength from both teams. And so I think generally, I wouldn't panic and the would I was concerned about is when he read the football guys after after this game. They're basically saying that McVeigh had nothing new. He had no new wrinkles. He was just going to do what he did. And Bella check. You just can't do spellcheck. I mean that was Bella check when he rolled out there and telling them bay was just gonna be McVeigh his is probably lit up and said, I can't believe they're gonna do this. I mean, it's not dissimilar to Mike Martz eighteen years ago, when you know, the stories you hear that basically the the Rams are saying, hey, we might we have to change this up, and he was ignoring and I'm not saying that happened on Sunday night. But I'm saying that. If you don't come in with new wrinkles against Bella check, you happens. I don't think that this is any glaring indictment on McVeigh's. There's only one ballot check. And you know, he's gonna out and some point you're going to be able to, you know, be the best coach in the NFL when that mantel opens up if you're McVay keep growing, I think that from my perspective, I think this could be going to as it could be the end of McVay, which I don't necessarily see happening or it could be the moment or he realizes he has to have, you know, plan B plan the plan being a game plan grows. Coach, I I would I would tend to think it's going to be more of that. I think that joke them Sunday night. This is this might be the Sunday night at two AM might be the lead anecdote in a you know, glint glowing McVay profile and five years at one a second Super Bowl. You know, what was he doing in his hotel? It was doing the team play is the type of coach who next year if he plays Bilbao check again if not gonna come with the same old crap. That was really good answer. I think that's really smart, right? It'd becomes the antidote of like, what did you learn from that whole thing and? I I'm not I'm not going to be one of those guys that that would sit there and go, okay. Every there's part of me that wonders do you ask the question like you'd be like, which which the McVeigh tree not even tree hires ends of becoming painfully obvious that this was just an owner that bought into what everybody else is trying to do and just because bell check worked in the Super Bowl. It doesn't mean that. I mean hires might be bad because they were bad before the Super Bowl, not bad after the fact if that makes any sense. No, I completely agree. I mean, I think if if the Rams are just won the Super Bowl by forty points and golf connected on thirty nine of his forty one throws. I would still think the cliff Kingsbury higher with bad. That's just sort of. How I I mean, I think that you could have hired him as an office coordinator. And brought in another guy to be the head coach. And you don't have to fire a higher the fired Texas Tech coach. I I still think that was just a strange off the board higher that I won't understand. They have some grand plan. I don't I I have. I haven't imagined yet. So again, I think that you know, that Taylor might have exactly what they need. You know, there was a buzz that maybe they wanna get more analytic oriented. And maybe it's it's more of an organisational thing that will then help that killer bee could coach in Cincinnati. So I think that there, you know, Mike McCarthy was not considered a good coordinator when he got hired of everybody just joking about you know, how do they get those coordinator who I think maybe thirty rank dolphin the NFL? So I kind of think the success of your head coach has always been a little bit overrated into successive of even your unit is overrated. I think that football, and you know, benefit coaching is more of an intangible thing than we think. And so goes more towards who can be like McVeigh, the culture builder instead of who can be McVeigh the scheme Lord because I think generally when morning when when these twenty nine year old thirty to thirty. Five year old guys whatever it is when they have their first sort of locker room problem are they going to be in their lab, creating man coverage beaters or are they going to be able to actually address the problems on that can be the big test in November. And December of next year. You sounded like you were hinting at something Cincinnati and Dolan before. So is that something that you're hearing something you think is a discussion like what do you? I mean, more of disaster Taylor wanna try to. I mean, listen, do you wanna try to build with Andy Dalton or do you want to get a guy in the first round? I saw someone, you know, even speculating today. Maybe Cuyler Murray's if it there. I have no idea was one of those shows that actually don't even know who it was just kind of throwing Hollywood. I think I'm sorry. I was wondering what is taking a guess it would show, but it probably wasn't that one. So never mind going. I I actually don't know. I'm sorry. I was I was in vacation mode so just going through. But I think that there's just wouldn't there's a clean break. It's like everything, you know, when there's a clean break. A new coaching staff Marvin had a, you know, he's run the organization for a decade and a half. And now, they're gonna value. Any don't exactly so good relationship with any tone? But you know, the contract wouldn't be crazy to get rid of. And if they draft a guy, it seems good time for a break when I talked to Matt Hasselbeck a couple of weeks ago about this old quarterbacks thing, he said, you know, the number one thing no one realizes that. In order surviving, a quarterback is the most impossible thing because every time a new guy comes in. They wanna get rid of the old quarterback. And that you mentioned, you know, the fact that you I manning that would have happened out of nine nine out of ten coaches would have gotten rid of Eli manning last year because they happen to hire Gilman who is Mr. giant. So I think serving change when you're not an elite quarterback, they harder fame that we imagine. Before we let you go. Is there going to be any seem that you can feel now with this off season? I think we've seen so many teams now stockpile cap space, and I was gonna find it. I'll just say annoying when the local reporter positions the team he covers his life. The team is going to dominate free agency totally ruled out like when twenty teams have this much cap space gas base is not the same advantage. And maybe this is the year where there's a rising tide or maybe teams strike earlier. Maybe teams New England's approach is always been wait forever. I think this is going to be one of the more. I'm not gonna call it challenging, but I it just feels like it's going to be harder to identify the good deal versus the bad deal with this many teams with cap space end involving game that despite what we saw in the Super Bowl is going to be about offense still. So is there a theme based on any of the stuff that I'm kind of thinking about or something I haven't even hit on yet that you feel like in talking with different teams is going to be part of the big storylines for the off-season. I can tell you right now. There's a couple of things number one. I do think analytics thing is very very very real in the sense. You know after I wrote that story in December. But I got a call at college from about five GM. So we're basically dislike we're going from zero to one hundred on this. And he's our teams that you would not necessarily think would be at the cutting edge of it. Because most teams who would most teams who would read that. And they wouldn't have to call me because they're already ad seventy five or eighty not Vero. Okay. And so I think the very teams that were very lacking Olympics. And I wanna go way up on that. Okay. So I think that's real. I think you're gonna start to see weird signing because it's based off of that, you know, the the analogy the example that some of the sources I talked to that story that you know, if you're looking for Leyton Vander ash type will you can now use the player track data to figure out exactly what a quote, unquote, downhill tackler is which is about seventeen to eighteen miles per hour on tackles and just sign that you're. To see a little bit of like baseball had fifteen years ago, where it's like, wait. Why are they signing this guy? Oh, it's because they found out this number works and this tracking data works, and we're gonna sign off of this. I've heard some crazy stuff as far as what what teams are honing in on. And so you might see some head-scratching signings because of that sort of thing, I also think aggression, it's going to be a big thing. I think that because again, I think people are gonna start to realize if free agency is a bit of a fool's gold in the sense that everybody has a cap space equi, it's rising ten million dollars a year. And so you're not gonna get the values that you could. And so I think you're gonna feel a lot more trades. I think you're gonna see guys in their third and fourth year getting dealt because teams would rather have a guy for three or four million. Almost kind of like with the Marcus Peters thing was which is even a picky. Two years of a guy knew but him walk, and there's going to be a little more of that. Because younger GM's were more aggressive. You're going to see probably more interesting than we normally get in the NFL. Enjoy vacation for however long you actually get I know there's there's I don't wanna make that joke about no off-season. But really appreciate all the time for the season for the podcast. Thank you. Thanks, ryan. Thanks to Kevin. Thanks. I got a little solo Atlanta Super Bowl experience storytime for you. I have not checked with anyone ahead of time on these stories that we're gonna be okay, though, it's not that big of a deal, but I'm just going to do a little soul for he before do that though. It's a new year time to make new goals outside of false hopes. They hit the gym false hopes. Lot of people are aiming to keep a cleaner home in two thousand nineteen. That's true. I've actually I just bought a new vacuum cleaner. But it's tough to stay on top of the spills and stains, not to mention cleaning up all the muck from last year. Thankfully, sealer can help you make your fresh star a little easier. Seal are gets rid of the gross stuff from soap scum to toilet bowl stains. And here's the deal. If you're by yourself, guys, whatever your current situation is it's not up to the standard. 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We did all the memories from before. I don't know how people felt about that people that know me have been on those trips with me, they love they absolutely love that segment. I gotta admit when. I left the ringer studios at Daegu was that even that interesting just running through a story every time I find the masterpiece thing terrific because I really wanted to go to the jeans party. And there was no way no way, I was getting invited. So coming in this year, Atlanta's a little it's actually not that tricky again, Indianapolis as the easiest, but Atlanta you were in two spots you were somewhere in bucket or you were downtown, and it lands a big enough of a city that you can. You can host a Super Bowl. It's kind of like New York City had a Super Bowl. You didn't really notice? Nothing felt different. Because it's New York freaking city. So Atlanta had a little bit of that. But then you start getting to that centennial field and all stuff right around there. Wait a minute. Is it centennial field that I just go Burlington Vermont on you. I think I did think it's intended park I stayed up in Buckhead. And then I switched hotels to another place in Buckhead because I was solo, and I basically was just kind of going around. You know, what I did I use the hotel tonight up, and I found myself Placer cheaper place in in Buchan. So first night. Chris Thompson, Jay Glazer, those folks had a party, and you guys know befriends of Chris roll over there with a couple of guys. And there wasn't really anything that of info from that. Oh, you know, we did do is somebody who's like what is everyone. Do. I was like, I don't know. I didn't I didn't really it was one of those things where it was like two three hours went by. And I hadn't even had a drink because it was just sort of sitting there. Kyle has destroyed his face in his looking face right now. And I just go. This is really like I it was so busy. And you kept saying hi to everybody that I ended up not relieving thing. I'd wondering it'd beginning that I didn't. And that was two o'clock. So they were like what are you guys want to do? And I was like I'm up for anything. Go right to bed. I just flew in. I got into night, but I can go to bed or I can hang out if you guys want to do something like well. There's this local dive bar in Atlanta called the northside tavern. And we're like, okay. But what's the deal? And he said, well, it's it's this dive bar and they play music late. They're opening like three or four AM. I'm telling you right now. I wanna franchise the northside tavern. I couldn't get enough if every single night you said, hey, we've got tickets to shacks party or we can go to the northside tavern. I would say I'd rather go to the northside tavern those that no, no. And those that don't not knocking you for it. What you know? Maybe you never been in the area. But if you haven't been, and let's put it this way. If you're in Atlanta in business on business in business when make much if you're on business in Atlanta. And you can swing by the northside tavern. You have to do it. I could have gone every single night. And I ended up to three nights. I was in Atlanta because that's my move. I was going in out real quick hitter. Style wasn't to linger. If there was a party that felt like it was falling apart. I wasn't even gonna bother showing up was going to sit in line. I've done it. All folks have done it. All okay. And the Super Bowl party week can be a lot of fun. But it can also be terrible. Right. So that was the first night. Oh, by the way, how about TMZ TMZ comes running up to one of the guys that our group was an NFL player. It's last call as we're leaving this event on Wednesday, the Fairmont the Uber driver that brought me there saw all the part cars. It was like, man. This is crazy. I was like, yeah. I don't know. We'll see what happens. He's here for the Super Bowl. The b basically was like really close to do you mind? If I just come in with you. To the party. That's actually gonna bum me out a little bit. So I will leave you way, non five star review if you turn off your ruber app and decided try to sneak into the party with me as you're going in. And I ended up going so late because I'm cool just because I was late. So TMZ comes running out and they've got two guys with handheld cameras. And if you don't know how this is work like this is what they do is they run around. They look for celebrities. And if they're smart, they do wait until last call 'cause they hope guys are just really fucked up. So make sense. Nobody in the group was and the guy comes up with the can held camera. Throws it on put it on run the players faces. And he's like, hey, man. And the guy like, hey, man. What's up get Dell? That was it. Right. That was it. And and the NFL guys like what what dude is a gag Cadel, man, Zada control. And I'm watching the whole thing. Like, I get the TMZ part of this. Like, they're part is hoping that guy's had about seven SAS Barilla's like, yeah. Man Goodell he's out of control. And there you go boom tweeted out you've got something for the website. Maybe even have some for the TV show. I'm serious, man. I I so I'm watching the other teams guy comes up to me. And he's like, oh my God. I'm like, yeah. Oh my God. Seems like a lot. And. I just met van Leith in by the way from TMZ. I met him at a party up in Beverly Hills. And he was awesome. A great Baton Rouge guy. I didn't even know that. So we we actually really hit it off. And then charisma Thompson who was with me at the party in Beverly Hills. She's like that's a really good contact for you like why? What do you mean? Like, I just I liked him. I don't think it would be on the show anytime soon. Yeah. Right. So. Well, played Kyle. So then the guy goes, oh, he is all my God. And I'm like, all right. What's up? He goes. I'm a huge fan. He's like, I watch you all the time. And he's kind of getting his camera ready. So my go here we go. He's gonna ask me a question. And he looks at me and he's like your rebel, right? No, I go. I'm not I'm not daring reveal and some of the other guys overheard it, and they're like, dude, that's the worst like that guy again for those that don't know Dan rebels younger than me. And I think he just thought are he recognized me? He didn't know so TMZ did not get very good content out of us that night. What else am I leaving out? So yeah, we went over there. We checked it out. It was like watching the Allman brothers when they were young warm up at the northside tavern. Twenty minutes songs. It was absolutely incredible. And just had the best time Thursday Thursday. I get a DM from clay cook from Zac Brown band. He was like, hey, we're playing a couple of shows. We're not sure what's going on or when it's happening. So keep me posted. And I didn't get back to them in time all the tabernacle. So I didn't get back to them saying, hey, you know, what I've got some. I've got a little free time before the spark EA sports party sports has been nothing but great over the years. And the problem is we had two people with us in the as sports party. I send in another thing to be like, hey, are we going to pull this off the guy from me a sports was like absolutely not? And apparently, it was just the line million long. And if you're in the video game you played in the NFL and EA sports. Isn't letting you in because you never RSVP to anything or you're never got an invite or your agent can't come through than EA sports is like, hey, dude. It's hard for us to just let in fifteen hundred guys. Even though you're the backup punter on the Rams, although if the backup punter for the Rams all of the back of for the Rams, probably could go get hammered all single every night. But I doubt there's a backup punter on the depth chart for grams. So I went over to the tabernacle walk in, and I had not seen you, wait. That's a lie saw Zac Brown band play in Atlanta. I think for final four thing. But it was not the main event. Dave matthews. We saw Dave Matthews play. And then somebody from Zac Brown band came over to us, and they were like. You guys hang out backstage. We listen you guys on the radio all the time. Because then it goes there van pelt and were like, Anna, I think we're gonna hang out watch a little bit more how crappier skirt. So I. Went in his act Brown solo. And they went into about a twenty minute whipping post that was incredible. Then Dave Grohl showed up in Dave Grohl sang with them. Enter Sandman, and then they did sabotage by beastie, boys. I'm telling you right now, if you don't like country, and you go out on exact round in not into that that show is a completely different show, and I like some country Dirks Bentley in Johnny cash. That's about it Jackson. All right. No. I don't look seriously. I'm not I respect it. How about that? I respect it. Good enough the lyric. I was down. I think it was in the tabernacle waiting from the come on. So they're playing country music and that lyric it's like. Beer is good. God is great beat and people crazy like what did you when you wrote that? Did you go fuck? And right. This is Kim kill who. Can you right now? I just I listen to it and go, I kinda respect the person that wrote it because it works. But I don't know I'm trying to go a little deeper than that. So go to. See clay cook? In Zach round banned totally blown away can't recommend it enough. Just fun for the entire family. He's not responding to DM's 'cause he's in the freaking band. I don't have a cell phone number. I was like I could probably talk my way backstage here a little bit couple hammered dudes from traeger grill. Started just they were really really friendly. One guy was one guy was a little hammered. That's all right, though. Having a good time Atlanta probably have to work in the morning. And I'll say, hey, guys. Look, I love talking to you love hanging out. And then I think they get a little pissed me as I can't keep got try to get backstage here. And if I don't do this right now, then it's gonna totally the windows gonna close. The guys are really nice they go. Hey, we're gonna walk you in the back, but they brought me outside. We're all the guys from security in the stage were ripping white darts. And the backstage thing was somewhere else. Why sat outside for fifteen minutes? I go. Hey, you know, what I'm just gonna I'm gonna run a Newman another time here. I'm not going to spend the whole night out here. So then I t- up. What's the plan? Text with a couple of guys. We're headed or the sports party five minutes later. They're like this is out of control. They're like, what are you doing this? It will some of the girls said they wanna meet up at hooters, and they're not kidding. So I got us a table hooters on a Thursday night. And I switched it to the warriors game against the Sixers and because the girls running a little late, but I'm gonna give credit here. They told me they'd be there within a certain window. And they were there within that half hour window because they were coming from somebody else and this is Super Bowl night's work that everybody's trying to chase. Everybody around trying to figure out the best party is usually the biggest blowout crazy. Parties are the worst to go to with your friends. So they were like why don't we just do this? They were at some event. Other people are an event and I go on leaving Zac Brown solo walking around here. And it's still only ten o'clock. There's a couple NBA games. I could get my eyes on and they go well hooters right in town. And you guys know it the no Atlanta. It's right there. It's right next the indigo, and I go in I go, I need a table for like five or six. But I'm going to be by myself for a little while. And then like four girls come in and sequin dresses to hooters. And now the whole room is changing. And that some of the guy like they were like who is that loser. Like sitting there by himself. Like, oh, maybe he's not a loser. Some of the guys can by Thursday was very very early night though, because nobody was really feeling it saving up for Friday, Friday, go to the barstool rough and rowdy thing. I know some people that don't like barstool. Here's the deal. There's a couple of guys at work there that have been nothing but great to me for my entire career. And I like those guys, and I think, you know, big cat PF t in. No, even though Portnoy, drives, you guys nuts. He's always been nice to me so invited Stanford. Stephen is Stanford Stephen I wanted definitely spend some time together with everything he's gone through shot at the man, Steve no van pelt citing whatsoever. Think he went to there was a rumor he went to bed at nine o'clock on Friday night in Atlanta. And you know, what that's a vet of the biz. He understands he's gonna have that van pelt polish going hundred percent when you're talking to. We're talking to high end brands. Okay. You know what? Because van pelt not sitting there doing a used car deal. He's doing a new car deal. That's what van pelt do do a new cars. He's doing private jets. He's a Mercedes Ben wheels up guy. And that guy, you know, what that guy does he goes to bed a little bit earlier than the rest of that Super Bowl parade. So van pow in there wasn't even a text of like, let's meet up. He didn't even bother even send the foam. Oh, what are you guys up to because he didn't care because he was there. He was there doing deals with big name brands Mercedes-Benz wheels up. So we go to rough rowdy, and it's funny. I mean, the fighting. Is like I don't even know how you would faint because no one would fall your face like, nobody. I don't know, man. It's just I've so much respect for the guys get in there and beat the hell out of each other. But it's a free for all. Like, there's no strategy. Like if you're a really good boxer. I don't even know how well you would do because you'd be so annoyed that the guy was nonstop swinging. Punches. Look if you're really good boxer. Here's what would happen. You would win the fight. But the first minute or so you'd be like, this is really really annoying not a great setup for your guy. If there's other girls, I asked one of the guys I said if you're going to parties, can you invite less hot twenty year old quarterbacks because I think half of the AFC starting quarterbacks were in the private area shout out to luch rock hold who was there as well. That say hi to one of my favorite fighters ever. And then it turns into a staffer Steve russillo. We got Chris Thompson, we get Sarah Walsh. We got a girl named Jen nother. Liz. And I said, you know, we need to do we need to find like a pub right around this area. And it's. Around the ballpark, Atlanta. So the new ballpark not not downtown. So what we need to do is we need to find a place where we can all go and grab a beer and everything's cool. And will be the shack parties going off right next door to us. And maybe we'll try the shack party a little bit later. But let's spend some time. We're actually get to talk to each other. Everybody catches up. Okay. So that was the plan and Chris already put this on Instagram. So I don't feel like I'm telling any thing out of about attorney because nothing you know, what I mean. Like, all right. So hang out. Really great time. Shout out Terrapins the bar right next to the entrance the field. Those guys were incredible in there. Although also shut up to the gang at Ruth's, Chris at the Buckhead location right next to the intercontinental hotel those guys really cool. So we decide because this is what happens is that. Even though you don't want to go to the party. And you don't have invites it, then becomes the can I get into the shack party? You know? Can I get in? I don't know. Like who goes at my thing was a Chrissy. You take point here. Okay. You take point the rest of us. Not sure. So she actually says about I don't know which podcast. It's really successful. She was talking about. But she asked I think we're about eight deep or so and she asks to the door guy. Hey, can we come in? And it I it's kinda like a, no. And she should have just said, hey, I'm Chris box. NFL I'm doing the actual post game for NFL network on the field fame yet Sunday little game called the Super Bowl kind of a big deal. And she's stunning. So, you know, the girls all great. So you would have thought that all of them were fine and good to go and the door guys. Like, hey, I'm from Boston. I haven't let it never like, oh, no six seven door guy this problem. And I don't even re I honestly, I'm telling you in this my friends make fun of me like, oh, you're Mr. to any wanna go I didn't wanna go 'cause I wanna do is go back to the northside tavern. So to finish this whole thing. The whole gang is sort of at the door area. There's a line of people that have already been rejected. Our group is currently in the process of getting rejected and the door guy says, hey, look, I'm sorry podcasts. Like who cares? And she should not have opened with those guys podcasts here and the door guy, actually, said whatever he's out Sean Jeffrey was just here, and I turned him away and PF tea with out any hesitation goes will. Of course, you should ball that he dropped led to the pick that sealed their loss. It was auto. It was so fast. I went I just sat there was like, there's no you write these down and just walk around life with these things. He's like, yeah. Of course, you let him in. He's like his wasn't for the tip. All that led to the pick maybe Phillies playing this weekend. So guess what we all go big SUV, and we all went to the northside tavern. And we watched an amazing blues band play into the wee hours, and I got on a plane immediately the next morning and went to Nashville and a two year old girl made me sick. Because on Saturday night was like, hey, we're gonna do this Nashville thing and good friend of the show. Bushman said, no he gets you feel like babysitting. I go, you know, what I kind of feel like babysitting. So we sat in eight some shake shack watch LeBron not play and babysat and one of the kids as a fever. So that's why sound like I started smoking this week. Okay. Subscribe to threat, I have a huge NBA trade. Headline thing that I'm doing with Bill Simmons. 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Instant Reactions to the Patriots Signing Cam Newton | The Ringer NFL Show

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Instant Reactions to the Patriots Signing Cam Newton | The Ringer NFL Show

"Welcome to an emergency edition of the ringer NFL show on the ringer podcast network. My name is Danny, hyphen and I'm joined by my colleagues Nora from Seattle and Tyler. Are you'll doing. Danny, I'm doing horrible. It is ten fifty, ten five zero on Sunday night. Cam Newton is eight New England patriots. Have any Clark won't be doing a more in-depth episode on Cam signing with New England later on Monday, but this news was too big to wait, so we're doing an emergency podcast and I'm with the best people in America to do it so tyler. This feels like the perfect time for you to tell everyone about a special project. You have in the works. How much can this? I mean you know as much as you want? I'm just here. July thirteenth. Get Your podcast, but especially on spotify podcast network Cam Chronicles, come and see you hot, fast and heavy. The beat is produced by Isaac Lea. So you know it's going to be a Banger, but you know we. We've been all over the country in the last year report research and talking to everybody who really talk about Cam Newton and Is going to be here a lot fresher hot. You're GONNA, love. That's what a guy you're gonNA love it so everywhere you can get it through spotify July thirteenth, but otherwise it's GonNa be on Apple Music or apple, or however describes podcast network every week. You'll get episode like that is going to be the best thing you've ever heard in your life. I'll care if you heard the best prince albums on care. If you heard last meek mill album is going to be the best thing you ever in your life because I said so slot thirteenth album drops. Humble is always you are tyler. What was your media reaction when you saw Cam in New England asthmatics Shit. I've Mash Shit Right. I'M NOT GONNA lie to Ya Shit. You know I was kicking him out taking it with the home. He's having a nice Sunday night and camera in my life. So that's kind of where we at you know. Here's the thing you know anyone who could tell you anything about football. That will tell you that this is not a good thing for both parties is an idiot. Because Cam Newton needs a deal like this. He's approved deal coming off a foot injury Lewis franken coming off a shoulder injury where you know. Know he had team. They had teammates last year. Telling me that after that torn rotator cuff shorter was literally hanging on by a thread from what they saw in the training room, and so this is a massive proven deal for Cam Newton. It's a massive deal for the new, England Patriots team who had no quarterback ready for that locker room, who for Cam Newton at least the best offensive line? He Ever GonNa. Play with, and he's done more with less. The Auburn National Championship Team Two thousand ten. They sucked all right, but candy with great. Great interest figured it out the Blinn the blend college football team. Junior, college pirates that teams sucked, but they had a great about a talent for junior college, but they didn't have anything like Cam Newton. And so if there's one person all of football in the last decade, who was a transcendent talent when the best talent who receive at the quarterback position in equally vanguard for the black quarterback, going from two thousand, ten, two right now to take team for families who probably don't want him, but to take a team that can go really anywhere. Anywhere of the best coaches ever coach football. You can't ask for a better story line. Let's just hope be play football this year, so you gotta bounce right now, but you'll be on the NFL show on Monday with Kevin. Clark whenever Kevin Clark. Take his horrible jacket off. He called my phone. We're going to be on his podcast. All right me and Kevin Clark. We want me in a cage with it I hope you now wearing a horrible Jackie Tyler from the bottom of my heart. Thank you. I tyler. Nora you cover the Patriots for. The fall of the dynasty for the last four years of the Boston Globe, What do you? What was your immediate reaction? You saw on your phone. Cam Newton and the Patriots and then the next thing that went your head. I think the first thing. I did I just laughed. I can't say that this is an unfamiliar feeling of just going. It's so crazy, but it's so obvious. And like most of nicer, overwhelming pieces of the Patriots that most of the crazy stuff they do is actually very simple. It's actually. Assessing value. Moving on from your mistakes, generally not being dumb. And Stating Cam Newton when it's incredibly cheap, almost no cost to do. He's Cam Newton. Of course you do that. It makes all the sense in the world and yet no one I think I can speak for at nine o'clock at night, or whenever it was eight o'clock at night, at least on the East Coast was sitting here on Sunday just going Oh, you know what I think would probably make sense to happen now Cam Newton to the Patriots, but then you start to think about it, and of course it makes sense in the world so. History will repeat itself, and then it'll all be over. Damning is basically what I think. I was blown away because this was something that I think everyone kind of speculated about as soon as Brady left in March. And then the Patriots love to sign people around June because you signed people around the beginning of June they don't count against your compensatory pick formula, so the Patriots can get all the draft picks. And then they didn't ever kind of forgot about it, and then they signed him anyway. Anyway, so it kind of blows my mind that they are able to get Cam Newton, but it also kind of strikes me that it's still such a wild card because we just don't know what we're getting out of Cam Newton. He's been on and off hurt for basically for the last three years. He's an NFL MVP one of the best. College football players of all time at least for a single season. And the Patriots just picked him up for like a million dollars. How does this happen? The actual contract is a one year deal. Ian Rapoport NFL network reported is has incentives. They go up to seven and a half million dollars so virtually no risk for the Patriots. If he doesn't end up playing if they caught him if he gets hurt, it's incredibly cheap. They don't have any cap space. Really, but I mean cap spaces I mean it's fairy dust. It's like it's fake like knowing smoke to a wall doesn't really exist, so they can figure that I will say that is usually true, but they're really up against it, and they have been up against it for many months at this. This point and have made a lot of those moves that you would normally make to make magical fairy does appear in a salary cap, which just reinforces your point that when we see the final numbers in the deal, it's going to be so cheap because they can do extension. They could figure something out Joe -Tuni-. They have ways to create some space, but this is going to be a dirt cheap contract in less cam. Newton lives up to those incentives witch if he does since he wasn't playing most of last year, it will not count against the cap this year when the Patriots are really struggling with it, so it's just like how. They pulled his off time and time again. I can't call it insane. Because when you think about it, it's so simple, but it boggles the nights. Here's my question for you have thirty one other teams could have done this. Obviously, a lot of teams have quarterbacks, but still some teams do need quarterbacks. Every team could use as a backup quarterback. Why the Patriots is this just some crazy bat, or are they just taking a risk on him like? Why do you think New England is the team that actually decided to sign him. Well there's two answers right so one. Yeah, they are just taking risk on him I mean they took a flyer Tim Tibo. You know, right? Now hold on I'll do. In his that gay, if the price it's low in a bill, Belichick is always going to say you're sure. Let's, let's try it. We'll move on if it doesn't have whatever everyone forgets Ocho Cinco is out there in in Super Bowl, forty six as a starting wide receiver. Because they'll just, they'll just give any veteran. Yes, sure. Maybe you still got some juice left Reggie. Wayne ended his career as a patriot. Jesus. Patriots. Forgot about that. So. Is this the Patriots getting? Randy Moss or is the Patriots Getting Shadow Cinco is a Cam Newton's done thirty one teams knew it, and we're like we're not going to sign him, or no one knows and we'll see. I think it is no one knows it. We'll see because we are talking about the central issue being one of health and if that was clear. It wouldn't have gotten to this point with Cam Newton I. Don't think we're the Patriots could pick him up for so little. But. We can't ignore the upside of you know a guy who MVP. A guy who they have flirted for so long for the last few years with. More mobile quarterbacks with guys who? Could take advantage of the run game in the offensive line built in a way that Brady even though he obviously had other skills was not going to be able to and. There is a world in which this is a really really perfect marriage for what they've been trying to enhance about the way that they played football and why? So this is this is the best offensive line that that can play behind because I do now. We're talking I think that's a really interesting point. Not only. Is it a really good offensive line, and maybe the best he's ever played. People are going to like well as receiver. Suck receivers also suck when they made the Super Bowl in two thousand fifteen, and they went fifteen in one when they went fifteen in one. Do know who cam Newton's receivers were. It was like Jericho Khatri. Ted Ginn and Greg. Olsen was the leading receiver on the team like that panthers team, a terrible receivers to, but the offensive line wasn't as good as New England's right now. Yeah, no way and I mean they've already been building to this place where they're going to be more reliant on that and a great defense, but if they go back to some of the concepts that Josh mcdaniels tried to make happen with Tibo Denver. Try to leverage. Some one on one match ups is Yeezy RPO's. It could be really really cruel. And he's not going to have to do all that much. Because of how good their defense is for them to be a competitive team, I will say that I am someone who this morning didn't think the Patriots. We're GONNA. Make the playoffs. Yes, so so this morning. The Patriots Plan for this season seemed to be. Jared doesn't have to be Tom Brady Twenty nineteen. He has to be Tom Brady two thousand one your game manager on a defensive team. That's going to grind out wins. WE'RE GOING TO BE RUN I. Football as everyone else zagging passing the Patriots are going to be zigging and they're going to be doing. Elite defense built around a secondary with like a pretty cheap pass rush. Not GonNa, let any teen people to throw to catch up to us and Jerry. Just don't mess up. Don't screw anything up. And now cam, Newton gets to be the game manager, and he's the most overqualified game manager, maybe in the entire history of football. That's kind of fascinating is like the the five stages of a- patriots signing and I'm in the one where you just look at it, go. It was so obvious this entire time where he is able to be if he's healthy if he's playing, you know it doesn't need to be MVP Cam Newton but if it is effective Cam Newton. It's not just that he is a way overqualified game manager. It's that they can run him up the middle and use that athleticism. Use Him on those designed runs that. Were really effectively out of the time Carolina but also just got him demolished, and hopefully be better equipped to protect him because they have been building for the last couple of years to. Have a line and a running game that can take some pressure off the quarterback, so it's it's almost as if it created this system. It's going to work for someone to go out there and be game manager, but then if Cam Newton is. The Cam Newton that I think we all would love to see place like all again. It both fix, but it so much more than what it was built for which is. It could just be really exciting I mean. I don't WanNa. Get too over hyped about this because it over hyped about it, I just want to sleep on it. Man. This really cool Danny I. Think we should temper expectations on the rushing, because I mean the thing with him has been health for the last four years, so I think that the days of Cam Newton rushing is. I want to say over, but the the question. Going forward is the passing. Obviously, when healthy is one of the best passers in the entire NFL think. He led the League touchdown rate his MVP through like thirty five touchdowns or something ridiculous, but the question is what the Hell's the deal with his health like no one knows because I mean for those who have thinking about other things than Cam, Newton. Newton shoulder for the last three years three months three weeks a quicktime line MVP in two, thousand, fifteen, fifteen and one lose the super bowl. There's the whole fiasco about good for the ball or not. And then he had surgery on his throwing shoulder before the two thousand seventeen season, the twenty thousand nine season, and the twenty nine hundred, so basically for three consecutive years, the cloud looming over Carolina was. Cam Newton's throwing shoulder for three years in a row, and then in twenty, thousand eighteen, he played through the bum shoulder for the last six games, and it was visible. Anyone who I mean had items watching the panthers plus weeks. He just couldn't play, but he was kind of being a warrior in like just going out there and it wasn't working in the panthers. I, mean they just they couldn't make the Blouse and then twenty one thousand nine. He goes into the season surgery. He like there's like syrup tissues cell phone footage. Someone took of when he started throwing again. Like that's how much mystery was fans were going to the panthers civility and trying to stick phones over fences, just to get footage of Cam Newton throwing a football or not. And then he hurt his foot in the preseason, just just before his shoulder got healthy, and then goes into this season with the shoulder somewhat healed, but the foot injury, which affects his follow through, so he's not really able to follow through and some passes, and that kind of makes it to overcompensate in the shoulder. Gets put on injured reserve to four games with list Franken during his foot. They caught him to save nineteen million dollars, and then no one sign them till today, so we haven't really seen Cam. Newton healthy since twenty sixteen. Right which and again. We're working through this together emotionally Danny. Obviously, that could be bad. He could not be healthy. He could not make the team. All these got pilots in the range of outcomes there. In the range of outcomes, however, now I feel like my over to window with Cam. Newton has just did I can feel it like every single moment because what if he is healthy? And we even considered this like what if? He actually. Got It together. That Back in March February march, the definite sense that I got was that teams were were thinking about the foot. You know it's never when a quarterback shoulders have that much work done but I think the the foot is not to be. Ignored because that's a really tough injury as the list, frank injury that just in effect Tele Guy. Footing the follow through a thing and back can be a toughie and I think that that was what SEAMER saying they were Kinda worried about an skeptical just in terms of who was going to be interested in him so. Totally laid. The range of outcomes is incredibly wide here. What is not wide? Is You know sort of the range of harm that could be filled patriots. This goes badly. And what? Why do you say that you're still on the roster? Right they could be a bad team, but if they were going to be a bad team would team for. Oh Yeah I, don't this is a fairly risk-free move. This is all upside of no risk, right and so for him. It could really go you know we. We don't know. There's a lot of uncertainty there but it. Really is kind of all upside for the team. Because either it's they have what they had before or minus. Boxer salvo and no no-one hairs. and. If he is good. Possibilities just man all right, so let me paint. A scenario can place. Kim's the starter. He's not twenty fifteen cam he's. Not Himself, but he's a starter, he he. He's somewhere between what we saw in twenty fifteen and what we saw him in twenty nineteen. But he's a gay man it. He's the most. Game Manager in NFL history to the Patriots won the Super Bowl this year. Probably not. I think they would go to the AFC championship, and they beat the Ravens or the chiefs with Cam Newton. Because that's really what this all comes down to write. The AFC is a two two teams between the CIA, the chiefs and the Ravens and then the Patriots are teetering on the edge of Ken they compete with them. and. They yeah, they get. I'm not making game manager Cam Newton and the Patriots with that Group of receivers to beat Patrick Mahomes. But. It's not crazy. It's. It's interesting. Bill Belichick is one of the best chess players of any coach in NFL history, and what you said earlier in this podcast about so much of what they do is simple and so much. What the Patriots do in a given game is simple I mean. Even, one of his little tricks of like the pawners jokes about bills, obsession with punters, but it's like he likes left. Punters Punt returners don't practice catching a ball that spins off. Someone's left-foot. They only practice from catching a right-foot. A lot of it's simple innovations in player that Cam Newton is. First of all just not Tom Brady means that we don't even know who bill belichick is. We know who Bill Belichick has been coaching with Tom Brady quarterback for twenty years. We've gotten little taste and bits of like. Oh, what would you do if you had jacoby percent? Here's two games. Jimmy Garoppolo here's a season with Matt Cassel, but we actually get to see creativity from the best coach of all time now. That's where I get really excited. especially with Josh mcdaniels has been there forever I. Just that's where I kind of football. nerdiness kind of comes out with what are they going to do and I kind of the upper bound of this the most exciting part is Cam really himself. What the Patriots! Offense will be able to do with this limited role because they don't have a ton of receiving talent. But he does have more protection. If he is able to move around a little bit, I think that'll be what will be most interesting to me just because again. They've flirted with the guys who who have a little bit more ability than Brady and there are so many more mobile quarterbacks in the NFL general now, and it's something that I think just sort academically at least in Boston has been talked about in terms of dispel check really want one of those guys. What would you do with them? And it hasn't really ever been put to the test. It would be very cool to see a big year for Josh mcdaniels show if he if he could do sort of a big job with cameras cinema whoever it was. It's GonNa. Look really good for him, but it will be interesting, just given that. They, don't they? Don't know what camp tells is totally or at least guessing they don't buy the the amount of money that he signed for and cinnamon hoyer being there. Other guys are not similar players, so it's kind of neat thing for make Daniels to chart the rest of the chorus for training camp, and getting ready to season, both evaluating those guys, and then also just figuring out what the offense is GonNa look like because. It would be different if it were Cam. Newton or Brian Hoyer or to them. Hopefully but until I i. don't see Cam as a mobile quarterback until it happens until we see a patriots offense that is not a packet like a pure pocket dropper. I think Kim's going to be just a pocket quarterback and I will believe that they're gonNA use him as a runner when I when I see it I just don't think that's going to happen for a lot of reasons. Nor Absent Trivia for you. Oh God. Cam Newton set the NFL record for rushing touchdowns by a quarterback. WHO's record? Did he break? Record I, don't know. Steve Grogan. Atrium quarterback Steve Grogan. Had set the record for most rushing touchdowns and now Cam Newton has returned to his destiny, which is to be a combination of Tom. Brady and Steve Grogan there we go, we're back. And dare go nor thank you so much. I mean he had dragged. Not knowing that around here, it's okay, thank you so much. Again I know that we apply nuance and there's so much about this, but yes, or no. The Patriots GonNa win the Super Bowl. Yes or no, we well or can. Yeah, we'll yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, that's. Up Your said. It's too late all right. We gotta go. Thank you, thank you. Tyler check out tyler on the ringer NFL show with Kevin Clarke today on Monday. Even though for us, it's still Sunday and checkout times. PODCAST CAM chronicles. It is coming on July thirteenth. You can listen to it on spotify or wherever you get podcasts. It's going to be fantastic. Thank you and Dan Patriots than it again.

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The Football Sunday Spread With Kevin Clark and Alex Delany | House of Carbs

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The Football Sunday Spread With Kevin Clark and Alex Delany | House of Carbs

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It is another delicious edition of how The food podcast for the hungry people by the hungry people other regular podcast network. I am you're hungry host Joe House. I'm not sure if you've noticed artist. Magri Hamis but football season is upon us that means we owe it to you to help plan out the next eighteen eighteen to twenty Sundays of your eating calendar with football lawn. It is time to plan a beautiful menu. We have the a perfect guest for this endeavor. That's in front of US Alex Delaney from bone apetite. He has gone around the country trying the most important important football food groups and he's here to help us prepare a menu that will carry us through and of course we have to visit with the ringers own. Kevin Clark who was at training camps all over these United States did some meeting and has some input for us. Let's get in that belly with Kevin Clark and then we're GonNa talk to Delaney and come up with a delicious football food menu. Happy homes me would be remiss if we did did not check in with one of our own resident football food experts on this the occasion of the House of cards football show. We have a ton of football and food talent resident here at the ringer. We were lucky enough to grab the star of the wildly popular web series. Slow News Day Hi Kevin Kevin Clark Hijo House. I don't know football and food expert. I'm a football expert. I'm working on the food part. That's why I have to listen to house the carbs overtime well. Thank you for saying thing that we we got a lot of very nice reactions to our conversation around Orlando in the direction Orlando Florida. Your hometown was headed and I came away with a at an extraordinary list of recommendations of places to try and things to La talion places because we were we were bemoaning the fact that we neither neither one of US knew about any Italian food we have Orlando the hungry home is came through as they always do speaking of Hungary homey Cav Clark. You just had occasion to travel around as you do with the other. NFL experts at the Ringer Robert Mays Danny Kelly you are out out checking out some training camps which bent your in some great cities great food cities in this great country of ours. I WanNa talk to you about that experience a little bit so where did you go this year. I went everywhere and so I am typically the NFL and food is interesting thing because if you're looking for good restaurants on sometimes it's hard because the stadiums ruled out of the way this is not the NBA or hockey or even baseball where the stadiums where the teams play are right in the center of the city near all the good restaurants NFL CITY NFL stadiums can be four five ten miles away so it's more of a tailgating experience unfortunately as a media member. I don't get that as much but the camp up towards the great evening out of it because you're going to the practice facility she get a little bit of time the night before you to enjoy some things my my opinion and this is probably not hot take from a football standpoint and a food standpoint. The best place to go is New Orleans not only because they have great food but because the stadium is right right there so you can get my favorite experiences. This calendar year was go into a game and then before that walking down Bourbon Street at ten in the morning and there's already live jazz. Ask there's been as everywhere it was a it is whatever you need in New Orleans is in about a three block radius including the football team so they they they they conduct training camp in the superdome. No no I'm talking about go into a game preceding in there but got it they. They're they're like I don't know ten minutes outside and military oh sure very very reasonable. It's by the airport so you're fine you go to the airport and get the team all that. NC Championship game obviously I was there a couple of months ago from my perspective the best food cities in America again. New Orleans would actually put I really enjoyed as in San Francisco two weeks ago really really enjoyed. San Francisco went to a place called delvina which is a pasta shop. I heard Kylie Jenner. was there a couple of weeks ago so to kind of social media stars going in the same same month which is a big deal for them validation real validation from me or for her or for her or or a great point went to a great sports bar called discredit Armscor theoretic club there when I was there great bar food watch the Miami Florida game that didn't didn't come away with the hurricanes win their from Alma Mater but still had a great time so yeah I I it is. I think I went to twenty two team something like that so it's a lot of Food Lotte. You know if you get an early enough. It means a local. Ip a It's it's a heck of a time I'm GonNa ask you for something. That's not very fair. Okay which changes and I didn't tell you that I was going to ask you this okay and we don't this is not intended to be disparagement in. It's going to be you know a hundred percent tied to your experience and what happened when you arrived at the city. who was the worst okay so? I I have. I have a take on this. I think that this can be shaded a little bit by kind of the experience you have and how much research you do so there's two replaces. I have been I've done a training camp tours and five of those have gone to Bourbon Illinois. I've had not had an incredible meal Burbenay but maybe there is but it just harder harder to find when you go to Chicago you can get recommendations when you go to Minnesota Engage Minneapolis Negro recommendations. I don't know a lot of people went to Burbenay. I've I've been some dive bars. Won't the bears guys the the the BI writers had a great time. It's Great Bud light but I've never had a great meal there. I'm sure people can can file in and and give give us some good wrecks. They're the other place I haven't had incredible success with the Spartanburg South Carolina again and other smaller town stay at the Marriott right downtown. They're kind of a lot of chains within the vicinity. Maybe there's some great main street drag Oh as far as restaurants go that I haven't seen I know there's some good bars ars there but I would say the smaller towns your Burbenay Illinois your Spartanburg South Carolina. That's Regan and I would also say love my guys in Atlanta but they practice about an hour or more north in a place called flowery branch Georgia now ton of options up there yes so let let me explain the method to my madness here sure by put you on the spot. It is often the case that places where we in our travels and this is true like across the time that we've been I'm doing the podcast may not have encountered the best that this particular then you a destination city on a map had to offer and the taste buds will tell us they will come up so this is. This was my slightly underhanded way. Now I bet for instance in or or around Spartanburg South Carolina. There is some incredible barbecue I just I always without saying now up my dad's family's from South Carolina not spotting parts of marrow from Spartanburg actually but there's a huge shot throw on a contingent and throughout our lives one of the great staples was them bringing barbecue to us from South Carolina lineup. There was some of the best barbecue overhead so I am ready to get some Spartanburg barbecue recommendations for the next time I go there yeah and the same has to be true of the venue in Illinois. There's gotta be some kind of diner within arm's reach that where you know there is at least like a pie that they make their that's incredible or some Gnocchi or you know some some chicken and dumplings kind of side one at one of those kinds of angles so we just put it out there to all our culinary comrades rats. We just named a few places. You have a recommendation. Pass it along where here in the service of you the eating public alright so we we've handled that a bit of it now. Let's talk about some superlatives and I'm I'm most interested you know this segment. We like to call the best thing I ate this week. Now we're we're. We're expanding the horizons because you were all over the map here in the United States but give us a highlight and even indulged a two highlights. If you have to of your your travels this this training camp season okay well. I would say that that most of my great meals on the road first of all it is a running running joke and I'm GonNa get completely owned by someone like Maui Rubin who actually knows my travels around there. Fifty to seventy five percent of my meals happened to be at your starbucks or your Pinera's. I actually get ripped for being a little bit basic on the road because I just need free. Wi Fi in order to file my stories I would say there when I'm out there. My favorite moments are when you're able to sort of get a burger and a beer and so for for me you have places when you're northern California. You get something like you know some Russian river stuff I loved them mid Western. IPA stuff like a Great Lakes Brewing Company the one in in Michigan is well. Gosh what is that. I'M GONNA look it up here. L. Bell's brewery to Ardell that sometime. I'll two hundred and so you're able to get a burger somewhere on so you just go out. I I typically just find a place. Whether that's you know in Detroit whether that's in Cleveland whatever it is just Gimme a burger and a beer and Gimme those Zyppah and I'm I'm one hundred percent okay so the best thing you ate on your road trips hours. Midwest as yes but but also I would say I would say the road for the best thing I had him. A road trip was was Delfi Non San Francisco okay. That's fair. That's down the middle. That makes sense. you know L. A. Talion in San Francisco Benes in in New Orleans and then it's helpful to the taste buds the culinary comrades to I share with them your unique feel for flavor for the appeal to you of those midwestern I as and I'm glad that we were able to WHO. get that out. I also love so one of the things about one of the things about the road trip. Is You a lot of times you cannot enter the major cities because of traffic traffic or whatever so one of the things I love. I spent a day and a half in Jersey to BOP in between diners and that's awesome again. If I go into New York City it's GonNa cost me half a day because going into the tunnel because of because of going up and down the city and just finding a place for my car or whatever so I had a great day I don't even remember the name of the diners but a great day I'd probably had every a single all four meals I had in Jersey were at just diners on the side of route twenty seven or whatever it was awesome well speaking of ringer a NFL Illuminate Cognoscenti this was the coroner that are are good pal. Mike Bardi arrested Ottis. He's he's been extolling the virtues of the Jersey Diners our our our entire time together so I'm not surprised to to hear you say that and I also appreciate appreciate that you just kind of generic about it. There's one doesn't just silly rise about another. Just stop there and and and one of the things about Jersey is it's oddly a place you spend spend a lot of time and is probably a aside from Lombardy being from that area if you're if you're I lived in New York for seven years when you covered the NFL you're always going to not not only the jets and giants but Philadelphia Baltimore Washington. You have to stop for meals. New Jersey all the time it's kind of it's kind of overlooked thing. It's a through so if you don't if you don't know sort of what diners to stop in your skirt the Jersey Turnpike is is the connective the connective tissue for for for the NFL what was the diner there was no one in the jets used to it was I remember because reverse and the jets negotiated there. I WanNa remember what diner was and it was. It was on the way it was in Roscoe New York. Yes the roscoe Diner Roscoe New York that was always my favorite diner because on the way to jets and giants training encamping Roscoe New York and then we found out it was like a staple among a lot of the writers roscoe diner and then reversing the jets contract negotiations break down and the jets. Let's as being the smart organization apparently they are decided to have contract negotiations at the roscoe diner. Diners are huge part of Football House. I I like this. What a what a revelation I I mean I had no idea this is where we were going to land in this conversation today Kevin Clark but it was a they are very very helpful. It is informative to the eating public out there. I think we have achieved our goal and you know we have the roscoe diner. Is that what where's that in New York. WHAT'S ROSCOE NEW YORK. Where's that it's upstate upstate. New York Yeah Okay got it. We have the Phoenix and San Francisco and we have the Midwest. Ip as I mean I I think we've we've done it on. Cisco Athletic Club is is is a good sports bar. I mean on that. Can we is that that's not one of those exclusive. No no I thought it was I thought it was and then it turned out it's totally it's totally fine. American so Roscoe by the way is out. It looks like the closest major city is Binghamton so that's all right with you. Find yourself if you find yourself in Binghamton ghetto roscoe actually no. I'm looking at the wrong map. It's it's it's. It's like an hour north of New York. Just go just go just go. It's upstate just go to it's up state. New York Kevin Clarke. You are our eating hero as well as our. NFL Hero Extra Coming on House of Cau- thanks Joe Blow as always thanks the Kevin Clark Yourself Roscoe's. We're going to talk to Alex Delaney here in a second but first quick word from the good people at old old El Paso Taco night is a magical night. It doesn't just have to be Taco be any night the night where everyone can eat happy happy the night were conversations are engaging. 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He likes a nice steak black bean rice inside the the delicious Taco Shell. That's just game. We don't we don't stop it old. El Paso. My friends grabbed the yellow box. You want more. Taco ideas goto old pass a dot com for recipes products and so much more my culinary comrades one of the most important responsibilities responsibilities we have here at House of cards and one we take extremely seriously is making sure that as each of the seasons change change we are capturing for you the very best of the food moment and giving out extraordinary guidance on how best to tackle your own belly situation well my food friends here we are. We are at one of those moments. I'm not sure if you noticed it is football aw season which means it is time to get serious about the spread either you're going to host or that. You were going to participate in as a guest over the next twenty Sundays now. Fortunately we did not have to go very far to find a person with exactly the credentials. We need for this crucial belly moment. This gentleman is the associate editor drinks editor at Bonet but most importantly for our purposes he the host and star of the incredibly popular series put out by bone apetite. Alex eats it all Alex Delaney Laney. Welcome to house call. Oh well. Thank you very much. I'm glad I'm glad my credentials are finally being used for the exact proper purpose. I this is this is what I'm on the planet to do right here on this podcast about football about the spread my my man. This is an incredible thing so I'll just confess if the Internet existed when I was your age I won't say how many years ago I was your if the Internet hasn't been around if Al Gore had his shit together and had invented the Internet. I can assure you that the job that you have what you were doing in terms of this incredible public service to the eating public going out there and and and and sharing with everybody Sixteen Philly H. E. Stakes in twelve hours fourteen Chicago hot dogs in twelve hours twenty three New York pizza slices thirty six hours my man this the Lord's work and I commend you. Will you know someone needs to do it. Someone needs and and it turns out. It's me well well yeah. I think maybe you were you were born. Maybe I'll be generous. Let's say a couple years too early to have to have that job that job title. We're GONNA dive in here. We're GONNA talk through. you know some of your experiences with these very food groups because these are the most important food groups here for for football season but what observation. I would like to make and this is a little bit of a of a sideways direction. I'm GONNA take this. I'm not sure if if producer Kyle had a chance I sent him a couple of the videos. Yesterday I just WanNa make this observation you and produced Kyle could be Gosh Darn d'appel gangbangers. I mean look so crazy similar at some point in time I would like to for us to get together. Gather me you producer Kyle. Whoever else wants to join we'RE GONNA DO. Is it the lady or is it producer Kyle Ever GonNa sit down and have some kind of spectacular accurate thing you did you. Did you look Delaney's I can. I can grow a moustache like that in my wildest dreams but I see yeah well the the thing that I do know you're capable of My man is is eating with the best of us so we will. We will make this happen. I think could be some good content and and so we homeys keeping that down. That's the I I knew you would be. I didn't even ask yeah so let's go ahead and talk a little bit about in the first place the video series Alex at all. You got seven episodes out. What where where did the idea come from so it's actually funny. I I was never supposed to do this. Video Series Andrew Hilton tonight I believe may have been on the pot is definitely written or talk to Y'all for the site he's here. He's a taste bud of ours. I should've been on multiple times exactly he was supposed to do so he was a deputy deputy editor at a Va for awhile and he was supposed to go to Chicago and over the course of three days film. This kind of you know tour of the Chicago style. Hot Dog ended up not being able to go. They asked go instead. I had never been on camera before and I I was leaving to go to Switzerland for a vacation the next day so I'll do it but we have after film it all in twenty four hours and that kind of dictate the rules of of the series and that's kind of how those those episodes started happening so it with all kind of kind of an accident so like everybody knows rules one bite. You have your own own own website. Increase exactly the you have your own hours by I did appreciate for the for the pizza. You extended the thirty six because you that was brought under yeah you you can't. You can't just give New York City one day. There's a there's a lot of stuff to get through you. GotTa you gotTa give it the proper time the proper love okay so just for all of our hungry. Hamis out there. They just being countering you. The the series so far consists of Chicago hotdogs affiliate he stakes of which you are you you grew up with those were in your DNA already. Am I right. That's my hometown food. Yeah Yeah Austin breakfast talk. OHS New York pizza slices Buffalo Wings in Buffalo. I think right yeah in Buffalo and then the juicy St Lucie Cheeseburgers which is that that specialty in Minnesota Minneapolis Minnesota did you or is it in and around Minneapolis we did eh did twin cities so like there were a couple of bucks to in in Saint Paul and then surprisingly I have to tell you the most recent episode Putin Yeah where where did you. Where did you go for that Montreal so we we took the show international. Well done very well done. That is the birthplace I believe and so you have I have to go to the the original for the original experience you gotta go right to the source. I appreciate the commitment authenticity anticipate there of those so far now we it's a beautiful thing. It really did set up for this. Just this show today US sitting down together because that's really nine tenths of the most important food groups I would say for a football spread for the next twenty. He Sundays but let's let e what what what is your thought. Let me hear you kind of your strategy. As we think about the upcoming football football season how how would you map out a a a Sunday food spread okay so I to to preface this I for a long time I was. I was kind of the I was in the in the mindset that it was like. Oh you know everyone does wings everyone. Does you know a big hoagie. Everyone does whatever like I'm GonNa do something crazy. I'm GONNA do some other ship that is going to set me apart and I recently at the end of last season. I was like I need to go back to the basics like I need to give the the people exactly what they want when I host and but just make sure it's the best possible version of that thing so like right now. I'm all about the classics. I'm all all about the samples. I'm about you know serving a couple of different types of wings. I'm about doing the giant hoagies slicing it up for everyone to eat. I'm about doing the old school onion dip slow roasted onion dip like the classics the classics the classics were re yeah so in terms do you. How often do you host. Are you the regular host or you. host once a month. What's what's your host responsibility. Look like yeah. I'm I'm I'll usually do maybe once every three weeks once every four weeks my friend group you know everyone. Kinda likes to host everyone is. I'M GONNA friend group that none of us are really fans of the team so it makes it makes it a little more exciting. Go to someone else's place to watch the games and yeah so. I'd say once every three weeks that's terrific okay well. Let's talk about these these basics these simples and doing the best version version of them if we may let's start with what I believe is is the most noteworthy notable crucial. It's it's at the King of the Football Food Pyramid and I'm talking about the chicken wing. let's start there. Please okay so my my strategy with the wings is always like you know like you said it's the classic the Buffalo. That's what people expect respect and that's to me always serve like that's that's a given yeah. I don't watch football without Buffalo. Wings in my vicinity but you know people people have a lot of opinions about about Buffalo Wings. That's what I learned. Why did that video right so it's to me again. It's like the simple people. Try and go wild with. It is making sure you toss your wings beforehand. Onion powder baking powder garlic powder pepper salt real simple bake them a little bit lower than you think. If you're going for the trial if you're going for the fried route I mean you know how to do that but always finish them under the broiler and then always a sauce like people really really really fuck up there so they're buffalo sauce. gotta be simple. Franks brown sugar butter. That's it simmered it over the stove concentrated and then little toss right before I need a wing to be crispy and I needed to be saucy. It should be both things not just one or the other so that that's interesting. I like the down the middle take and I like all of those very you know the the crucial elements that we've we've set forth there. What about variety. Do you accommodate folks that might like for instance a dry rub rob wing. Oh absolutely so that's the thing for me is always serve two types of wing it should be it should be you have the buffalo for the classics but then I'll do do I'll do maybe like Chinese five spice rub with a little bit of brown sugar just salt and pepper if you want to go the driver brow or do more of a kind of like a chilly blend so maybe like AAA ancho again with Sol and a little bit of a Kunming coming or something like that you could go either way with the dry rub but then I'm all about. I'm a I'm a huge nerd for any kind of like sweet sticky not me so chilly glaze on my wings. That's my my ideal. Wing is is kind of a a Vietnamese style wing. Oh okay because I was GONNA go. I was going to ask you about Korean but right. The Korean wing requires is a little more heavy lift in terms of the double fry which is really I think the best way to capture it and then that comes out you can have you can have a dipping sauce. If if if you like I think and my messing that up can you have the Korean went absolutely yeah either you can you can go the dip or with the Korean wings what I'd like to do is just like a little sweet garlic soy sauce so I saw so I saw simmered little bit of brown sugar and then tons of graded garlic and then give them a little toss in that before you serve them just like not not a ton of it. You don't want him to could be soggy. You WanNa keep that Chris but you could also just serve that as a dipping sauce so that that's not to me too dissimilar from the Vietnamese AMIS approach Vietnamese style in my head and my mouth in my belly experience tends to be like my experience of it. It's it's a very saucy like I just expect to have it on my hands in my face. is that is that are appropriate appropriate way to think about it absolutely absolutely so when I do when I do more of a Vietnamese style wing I'll I'll do. Maybe the actual cooking of the wing. Cook more like like a dry rubbed wing so it's like just do a little brief marinade. Throw them in the fridge dry. Let them dry out out uncovered a little bit so they get they get prime to be crispy but then just do a little bit of garlic and onion powder salt pepper and and then at the end. I make make a sauce. That's usually includes me so little bit of brown sugar a little bit of a Psalm Ball Chili paste which is like garlic can chilly fermented chile-based rice vinegar and fish off and me cook over the stove reduce it and then right when those wings like either come out of the Friar's prior oven depending how you're doing them just give it a real quick toss in this glaze e kind of thing and they're they're nice and sticky and saucy and just like packed with Labor just gorgeous now the one thing about I personally absolutely love straight down the Middle Buffalo Wing when it's executed feuded properly but I will say the heat that comes from France and I love Frank's giant Jarvis sitting in my fridge as we speak. It's I'd like it just a little hotter so yeah with the with Kinda. The Asian profile were talking about either the Vietnamese approach or the Korean approach could you do it could disassemble pace. Does that a way to kind of elevate the heat yeah you definitely could the the the thing with the Samba is that it's so with frankly. That's vinegar heavy sauce right. It's Super Tangy like the base of that is probably white still vinegar with Psalm Ball. It's not it's a much funkier straightforward chilly flavor so it's not. Super Tangy doesn't have all that vinegar going on and it's more more about the flavor of the Chili and a little bit of garlic and like that kind of like Funky fermented flavor you get with like Kimchi or something like that yeah that that must be a oh the the appeal. I I grew up we I was so fortunate as a as a youth to have amongst my group of friends two brothers to Korean brothers and and very early in my career they were they were hosting me and my two brothers for for meals in elementary school and I was introduced to Kimchi back in the seventies. If you can believe it I mean I know that that may not be believable but I I always have that that penchant for funk. I it is in in my DNA now so what you're what you're talking about. These wings is appealing to me now. I'm GonNa put you on the spot here. I have in front of me. I have your instagram open and the last post the last up is a combination Dennis and beautiful looking trae. I see four orders of wings in here. It looks like you've hit the mark on two types of wings and then there's there's in addition to the to the to the trae now before we talk about the addition. What are what are the two types of wings that you have assembled here so to give context here. This is my buddy wills place over in Jersey and and we he is a big fan of cooking and also ordering so we ordered the wings those were the half buffalo and half barbecue okay ladder barbecue yeah why not why not absolutely do we should do. We give a shout out to the establishment where they good enough to deserve shout out yeah yeah add the places go ninos in in hoboken. New Jersey Boom Hoboken New Jersey. He knows wings. I believe they you're correct. They do yeah okay but the the the there was a surprise element on that appears in this picture yeah and and now that you said the proprietors Nino's it's it's less of a surprise bliss lately. yeah a little meatballs meatballs and sauce to me. That's like I so I am. I'm Irish Italian so I grew up in a red sauce. Family Red Sauce and football are kind of you know you can't separate the two for me and a lot of my friends are grew up in Italian American families too so there's always a little hit of red sauce something whenever I'm watching football and and last weekend it was indeed meatballs. Oh so now with you guys with Dino's. Did you have to tell them how many balls you needed to cover the the the full array of pals assembled because I see at least six balls in this picture yeah yeah yeah my the thing that will my buddy will love about about that places that you can order by the meatball yes which is which is genius. Everyone one grabbed me. Paul Yeah all right quick break from this delicious conversation with Alex The lady for a word from our friends at M. and M.'s M.'s on me Hamis. If you love Eminem and you love Hazelnut spread then you will be head over heels for the new new eminem hazelnut spread chocolate candies and hazelnut spread is going where no hazelnut spread. Ed has gone before right inside eminem chocolate candies. 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What would you say is kind of the next most important element for for a spread. Is We look off over the next twenty weeks shirt so I think you have your you. Have your wing move and then to me. There should always be some kind kind of a a sandwich in play and maybe that's a slider. Maybe you do you do a braised. Pork shoulder pulled pork situation. Maybe it's a smash Burger. Although although I'M NOT GONNA call a burger a sandwich. That's a whole nother podcast episode. I feel like Do Smash Burger. Patty melted American cheese thinly sliced placed onions pickles Mayo Yada Yada. I WanNa tap the breaks on this Mash Burger for a second because he here's one of the challenges if you offer those to to your guest hosting that is that is labor intensive in the sending that you you you cannot you you need to have a television setup where uh either you can be in the kitchen and catching the game or this has to be a real project that you undertake halftime with like chop chop. You know we we we have a a twelve minutes to get this done or it's a pregame postgame. Kinda thing what what what. What do you think is the best strategy were if we're going to offer up a smash. Burger slider Lider kind of action sure so I think I think there are two ways you can do one either way. You'RE GONNA have to do all your prep. I write your Patty should be made your she. She should be layered out and sliced. All your condoms should be a little bowls. There should be minimal work the only way you should actually be doing when you're doing. It is posting bonds smashing patties. He's that's it so I personally I think I have it down to two enough of a science where I can do it during halftime and my TV at home is not you know I can. I can catch glimpses from the kitchen so I feel comfortable doing that. The other thing is and this is how I usually watch football especially with you know I'm hanging out with friends that are not all eagles fans unfortunately but I'll do inbetween the game so we'll do a you know we'll watch the one o'clock games and then in between maybe there's a game we don't really care as much about but in between the one in the four or in between the four and eight that's what the prime time really serve. Smash Burger. This is an absolutely stellar observation and and a real point of guidance for all of our taste buds out there because it's rarely the case in my experience that if you're assembling with Powell's to watch that social all seen ends at just one game and if it needs to be a multiple game experience it can be the four o'clock that then runs into the eight o'clock doc. It's more typical for it to be the one o'clock that runs into the four o'clock but you it really does create an opportunity because it's almost universally the case that one of those gay to two timeslots is going to have the game that is the focal point for the social crew and then the second game is going that'd be sort of less important and that really opens up the the social window and importantly the eating in window in fact. I will say it's still hot right here on the east coast so a lot of the things that we would have in this in this menu right. Now are things that like you know you're not GonNa do Chili. You're not gonNA slave over the oven with you know any kind of a pork shoulder thing. I don't think at this stage of the season because it's just too God damn hot but also because because we still have beautiful grilling opportunities right now and in fact that's what I did this most recent Sunday. It was the only way to salt the wounds after the pathetic second half performance by my dead skin up against Your Eagles I mean my dad's can suck me in late. May Let me believe for a full well half of competent football that we had a chance and then to Sean Jackson came out after halftime put a swift end to that he put on a show. I mean me did what he does. He's only been wanted for fifteen years but the only way to get over. It was with a beautiful flank steak that we grilled out you know. Oh and flank steak takes all of wh when it's properly at room temperature takes two minutes to cook up and then so that was that that worked out perfect but this menu were we were walking folks through this will carry on through the balance of of this entire football all seasons. I interrupted you on the Smash Burger just because I wanted to make sure we could give out some some good instruction on the logistics of it but you you were about to go into the the whole sandwich concept so let me let me let you continue. Sir Okay also I do. I would like to say that right now. This is prime grilling season season for me really and grilling in the summer like is great but I'm I'm a sweater if I can grill in you know October. That's exactly what I want to grow little bit cool out the works just fine yeah so I'm grilling deep into football season but for the sandwich okay so so you can do your slot as you can do your Smash Burger you can do you know sausage peppers and onions sandwiches. That's that's a big south philly thing for me but for me it's it's really about the massive hoagie bats. That's what I love for football getting going going to an Italian Deli or something getting one of those you know one two three foot semolina roles and then doing either a classic Italian Hoagie Hero Grinder whatever you want to call them and then flexing that up and and letting everybody just Kinda grab it throwing it out on a big cutting board. Let everybody go after their flight. So what's your take on compiling that beautiful sandwich yourself versus ordering ordering it because he had you know you have up there in the Greater New Jersey New York Metropolitan area five thousand outstanding choices Hoboken New Jersey Emme. You have five hundred unbelievable places that you could order you know a three foot or a four foot or five foot but on the other hand the good people at Bone apetite beat you know this this very summer gave out an extensive array of of instruction on how to build the Perfect Beach Hoagie something you make yeah right before and then and then bring with yourself Sowetan for in this football season mode. What's your what's your gut on the best way to move here. Oh my God is make the Sandwich yourself right if you have a deli. If you have a Deli that you trust let them do it. Get it. That's fine I've that is certainly something that I've done before especially living in Manhattan. There's plenty of of great Italian Deli's around but you know if if you're having people over you want to put your best foot forward you. WanNa make sure you have complete control of the hoagie so I would say definitely make it and I'm I have a very I'm a very opinionated man when it comes to sandwich so I have my whole my whole kind of list of things that make a great football which let's hear them. Okay okay so you're not just doing. We're going to start with. We're GONNA start with the meat. You're not just doing one meet. It's gotta be I call it. I call it the Meat Trifecta so textually you do one most defied me which is something like Bologna or or more to Della then you do a cooked meat which is something like your classic Ham and then you do cured meat so something like prosciutto or Spec or something like that and textually end flavor wise that gives you three different things. That's why the classic Italian in the classic Italian Hoagie is one of the greatest sandwiches of all time it's because it has all three texture all three flavors so you don't want to just go with one. secondly you. GotTa do let us the right way. It's shred as we call it shreds around here shredded iceberg lettuce and that's something you can do at home really easily just literally take ahead of iceberg lettuce and throw it against the box. Greater gives you those nice like kind of strands lettuce textually. It's beautiful. It's crispy. It's all over the place. You're not getting kind of unbalanced a lettuce distribution on your sandwich and then the third mandatory for me. Is that you you have to have a spread that goes one step above so instead of just doing Mayo or just doing no oil and vinegar whatever take take it take it another step further so I really like and this is actually the the beach Hoagie that you you mentioned chopping up Giardiniera and Mexican with Mayo or chopping up some really nice pickles mix it again with your Mayo doing some kind of step up that brings me to another place so tangy or spicy or whatever and that is the thing that Kinda blows people's minds. I it's blowing my mind. I totally agree. I I am I guess I I don't want to overstate it. Let me try and be humble but I am a Jordan era. AFICIONADO MY I I. I have a mixed ethnic background like you you but Italian strong Italian on my grandfather's side and I had this tradition as a kid going my grandfather's house for Sunday dinner my mom would cook and we would go to this Italian Denny Deli and authentic Italian Deli here in Washington. DC called Ayla Terry's and one of my absolute favorite pastimes. If I was lucky enough to to go along for the car ride was they had a giant Jarrah I don't know what the right the vessel was. It was it was much bigger than a bowl but like a VAT nearly of of Jordan era and guys would see the kids come in and they they screwed group. Give us a spoonful and let us have a spoonful like right out of the potato. Now that's a again. That was pretty some number of years ago some that have decades ago I don't get that experienced at the whole foods but what what one thing I will say and I'm interested in your take on this. If we're going to go down the Jordan their whole there is a purveyor sandwich purveyor. That's that's nationwide. I believe that it's single best food ingredient to me is indeed. It's Jordan era which will sell to you in a jar and that's potbellies jarred. Nara have had Jordan there. I have not head popularly starting there. Oh brother I'm telling you it is. It's a it's a game changer. I mean is it really does capture the authenticity of of that particular item and it also lends itself perfectly to what you are recommending here which is a couple scoops mix it in with the Mayo then you put the right back on the jar goes on the fridge. The Jar would doesn't last very long in my house but I am happy to recommend to you the Poparelli jar or narrow all right. I that's a good that's going on my list. I I'M GONNA I'm GonNa figure out where the closest pot belly is and head there for lunch right. No actually all right. I'm excited. I was able to give you a little something. We gave it out to all. The colony comrades now. We just went right down the middle. That's a great feast. We you covered a lot of territory air. I WanNa make sure that we go ahead and and and share with all our hungry homeys one thing that's kind of off the beaten path. Maybe not what you would expect on a on a Sunday football spread. I think you have a something is going to surprise folks. Let let let's hear what you you have in mind. I do okay so everybody. I'm sure you have never been to a Game Day celebration that it does not have potato chips right. That's kind of if if you're watching football there's potato chips somewhere in the room that I would say that the assumption assumption I'm with you. Yes so oh and yeah and yeah I mean that's a whole nother conversation so so something that I've been doing lately and this is we run a a couple of recipes for this at Bon appetite but everyone type potato chips. Everyone knows what potato chip tastes like taking your potato chips and doing something else to them. that's kind of been my signature. of hosting. I think so maybe a couple years ago we ran a recipe for KACI peppy potato chips which literally it's essentially like you take plain potato chips drizzled with olive oil. Throw them in the oven to get a little more toasty deeper character out of them. Take them out tons of cracked black pepper and freshly grated Parmesan mix them all up and serving. It's it's the simplest thing you could ever do but people freak the hell out about them and we just did another one that was essentially like a homemade sour cream and onion potato chips taking that same kind of strategy taking can chips drizzling them with olive oil putting them in the oven warming up developing the flavor a little more taking them out tossing them with garlic powder onion powder freshly job deal a little bit of green onion salt pepper and serving them up. It's just like it's the simplest thing you can do and people never see it coming and it's always the thing whenever I get a text the next day it's like dude. What the hell were those potato chips. Can you send me the recipe and then you send the recipe and it's like it takes ten minutes to make them. Yes so so for both of those strategies. They don't have to go back in the oven. They just go in the oven wants to to to change slightly changed the character with the combination the nation of the olive oil and what that heat does chip right so it's important well. Let let me go ahead and let you explain that but in in the context of the question I'm GonNa ask. It seems like you need a chip that can stand up to that challenge. They can't be thin chips right absolutely absolutely like you're not gonNA. I love classic lays chip but classically doesn't have enough of a backbone to kind of support that so you want something that's like more. The kettle cooked style a little bit sticker a little more crunch to it. yeah yeah you. You can't go anything anything. and how long do they have to be in the oven even so it's really not long at all it's a oven goes maybe four twenty five usually what I do that and then throw him in after their tossing oil there for maybe maybe three minutes before you gotTa flip over. Give him a shake and then go for another three minutes so it's really only like six minutes in the oven. Okay that's terrific and then you have your gradients. The ingredients are so simple and easy to tile and they're just sitting there while the six minutes is this happening and then they come out. They're hot go into the ball with the ingredients and then they're ready to serve right away. Yeah just give them a toss and then and then just throw them out on table yeah and that he did the I mean. The most important thing is that the chip gets hot oil gets hot and that's what is really going to absorb and and soak up all of that flavor from the onion onion powder garlic powder chili flakes. You know whatever you're going to use their it kind of brings it all back into the chip and with the country we pepe the Parmesan is it. Did you say it was shredded. Parmesan grated great great. It's like Carter. The snow the snow flake sprinkle vibe Yeah Yeah. I got it so it it will adhere to that hot chip that comes out because the olive oil will soak it right up. I mean it'll the snowflakes sit right on there though they want you to build a snowman almost it feels like that's exactly what I think. So what do we do. We have a name for this. We gotta give this technique an a name worthy or the of this incredible revelation. It's an elevated chip but elevated chip is not doing it like this is a championship inch chip or something like that. Something can't be oh. Hey look feel free we we did the pot belly jarred NARA You're going to enjoy that at lunch and if you WANNA use championship by all means believe me I guess you could serve them up and if you WANNA throw them in the in the I wanna see I'm GonNa go look. I mean the the French onion one. The sour cream in on you one is is literally like in my mouth right now. I can taste it after you describing it so that's got to be this Sunday. How am I going to survive watching my dad. Skins get pounded by the F. Ing Dallas Cowboys. Yeah that's how Oh damn going back to back. NFC East though right tough to tough to start off the season the oem too but it's. It's what I've prepared myself mentally for. Maybe I'll be surprised but but I can't I I kinda doubt it. The Constellation will be and again here. I'll give you the if you wanna you just google bone apetite onion dip potato chips. That's what they're called that that'll be a nice consolation prize for we're not. GonNa say they lost yet right well I. I just had to prepare myself. Mentally I don't care how else am I going to survive the football season anyway. Alex The lady incredible we could do this for for another hour. We touched on a couple of things that really do deserve their own shows. Including the the the the beverage angle here I mean you are the drinks editor at bone apetit cheaper. Let let's save it. Maybe we'll do playoff drinks as the NFL playoffs come along. We'll have you on and and give because that's really when the appetite the football appetite and the food appetite in the middle of the winter and everybody's in for something to get him through who come back on and we'll talk about you know an entire beverage menu to get through the NFL playoffs I if if you will indulge us oh I count in yeah all right my man. Thank you so much for joining us today. Alex The lady. Thanks for having me taste. Go My enormous banks to Alex Delaney. I promised we're going to have him back. come the end of of football ball season. We didn't really talk on pizza. We have a few things to discuss their. We didn't touch on beer a couple ideas that we should definitely cover on that side of course always my thanks to Kevin Clarke. We will be back again next week with another delicious episode. We have a a- An eminence a luminary in the food field with a brand new book. That's just come out called burn. 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We've reached the end here the bills if you're the cardinals if you're the raiders hoof that what do you do with what you're want to scored in that game in the bill's entire season. That's true. It is true. Dolphins haven't scored a touchdown since October twenty fifth. If you're if you're like in charge of team owner, and you have coaches that are not those guys. You got the wrong guy. Fire. Everybody. Another pencil. More more another pencil. Another broken. Broken Pederson twelve does not matter against those teams. Those teams are in third and twelve with doesn't matter. Schick, the Rams just go to a screen pass every time and converted on third and twelve it's a bubble screen. They got a bubble. Screens with Whitworth running out there in front of people. It's terrifying. At guys. All right. A fourth pencil. The news is going to be a rare for broken pencil Tuesday. No, no. He was presented by progressive insurance this year. 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When you would go like that in a light, right? I'm on. I mean that was way ahead of it. Yes. Yes. Is the Clapper still as an industry doing well Twenty-one ninety at WalMart right now. Still doing very well. How about that the Clapper? Stugatz. I guarantee you wanna get the sales on this thing. They're going to be through the roof through the roof sets Clapper's here. I'm wait for it. And getting Clapper clear, you going to contribute anything to the segment or you just. Invented this Clamper segment, by the way, it was me who brought it up. You're welcome. But Clapper libertas show with this Stu gods on ESPN radio. If you're just joining us. We were alarmed in the first hour the local hour at Greg Cody of the Miami Herald who's in with us every Tuesday about how little he knows about Eddie Murphy's career. He said of the movie with our son Arsenio hall. He called that made in America. He called another one of these movies. The nutty professor the klumps he called it the fat, professor. And then he he named the party all the time song something about dancing is what he said what other Eddie Murphy information. Can you give can you give us? I would like a list of all the things about Eddie Murphy that you know, I enjoyed them as a stand up comic. You know, the name of either one of his specials. No, they couldn't have been that special. But you enjoyed it. Yeah. He was good. You know, he he wasn't Chris rock or George Carlin. But I thought he was a good stand up was actually not in my opinion. To have my own opinion. Opinions really bed. You spend it during the break arguing the merits of Juan Pierre for the hall of fame over Adrian BELTRAN. That's thing that just happened during now if I could explain myself because as usual, you misrepresent me, you should be a politician because everything you say about me feels like a negative ad. I didn't say one peer should be a hall of Famer. Would I said was he deserves five percent to stay on the ballot for a second year. And I didn't say Adrian Beltre should not be a hall of Famer we were arguing whether or not I balanced if he's if he's an obvious hall of Famer, then he's a first ballot. No. By the reason, we had this discussion. It's not what we would. Normally have Adrian has retired. That's tr- retire, which is a pricing because he's coming up on five hundred home runs, and he's still very good. And he's an obvious hall of Famer. And I just say one thing when when hall of famers like myself get together, you're obviously not invited to the club. When we get together to talk about the hall of fame vote. We do draw distinction between whether you deserve to eventually get the Halloween McGregor. Whether you are a supreme elite. It's which is the first balanced. That's not we Greg. If we asked him cursing that question that's not something. He would say he's twenty three away. From five hundred but since two thousand fourteen only hit more than nineteen one. So maybe he could at twenty three next year. But in my team two years, I'll give you a quick example of the first ballot guys of the first year guys new to the ballot this year. Mareo Marianna Rivera absolute first ballot first ballot. No question. Greg. Adrian Beltre is one of the best bass hot Helton, Greg. You the first year? Nope. Voter that I can pretty much guarantee. You never seen Adrian Beltre game. That's that's not true at all you watch. I do watch TV, by the way, we have a lot of Rangers baseball not a lot. But I've seen him play. We have television sets in my house believe it or not Greg. Can I give you players who had similar careers? The second Chris helped me out here. Best guess your father had seen Adrian bell. Trae play a major league baseball game. Game. Yeah. Game one game the one game sample. So last night we get a game for the ages gods comes in here. And of course, like pump the brakes bears eighty five against the dolphin little sloppy. So of course, he had to have the other the other position because nobody was taking that today because that was a magical ride through fauria last night for I mean, let's do it this way Mike Ryan in the most high scoring game in the history of Monday night football. How do you feel about being the guy the day before who told everyone to bet the under the funder? When did you give up on that? It was the fumble six which one. Fumble six. And then I hopped on the over eighty one in game. I loved the Rams philosophy of look we are going to try and make every play twenty yards. And all we need on defense is somebody clubs somebody twits. Somebody's neck get a football in land in the end. So just make somebody make eight play by somebody. You mean Aaron Donald mean, the the detractors are out there old fogies, I miss defense. But this game kind of neuters at two Bruschi was out there. Lamenting the lack of defense in that game. There were three defensive loved to have seen Tedy Bruschi in that game. Tedy Bruschi at the height of his powers. What do you think would have happened there? I would shut the chief staff, of course, he would've just covered. Tyreek hill in flat all gave seven there were monster plays provided by the defense three defensive scores. Too late interceptions defense coming up big in a point in a game in which we're over one hundred combined points weird. The Rams defense got eighteen points, which is a lot for defense in a game. Where fifty one points scored against that team. That's terrible analysis. That's great now. Here's some analysis might fantasy league. The scores aren't right. I'm pretty sure this game broke the app. I got fantasy analysis. You wanna bet beat was is that Greg all you care about is your fantasy league. And whether you protected the games, right? It's all you care about your every analysis is infect Mr. auto draft. You know, nothing about fantasy. I'm imparting the information that it's pretty extraordinary me as a former champion on on draft. I won the firstly logo Lobo something that you've never done without ever looking in my computer. I got the giant. Of that title, as should all people who autograph you shouldn't have even been allowed in the league. What I'm trying to represent is that it's extrordinary when your team. Those champion your dress. I will you that you will address me as a bona fide hall of fame voter how about that. I mean. Effect is due respect runs. Both ways. Boy. Tension in this room. Donlevatar we're in the middle of the NBA playoffs. My good friend colleague, Greg Cody of the Miami Herald just reference Tony Kennedy are nineteen sixty seven baseball addresses sold, by the way. Tony see? Stugatz. What attend him? He would have been Red Sox had made short boomer Scott at first base. Reggie Smith patrolling centerfield Joe Foy at third man. Joe lawn Borg crazy lineup one of the best ever. And then Tony secret that injury, Jack. Hamilton of the angels hit him went down like a sack dirt gut backup. Heroically had a great season in sixty nine believe it was nine seater out of the league in the wrist is said Red Sox history getting emotional just talking about. Live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio. There was a point last night where Patrick Mahomes had twenty completions for about four hundred yards. So averaging twenty yards completion the chiefs of the first team in the history of the sport to score fifty plus and lose, and I know what all of you were thinking when the Rams scored with just under two minutes left. You left them too much time. Did that too quickly? The Rams were celebrating on the sideline on a thirty or forty yard touchdown pass. And you're like you did that too fast. The chiefs got the ball twice more after that. During the game broadcasts. It was one of those clever in commercial, but you still get to see the what's going on on the field breaks, and they were zoomed in on Patrick Mahomes. And it was just blood pouring down. His forehead casually has a part of just the insanity that he was he was all of us. I did the same thing in my living room last night. I looked up and there was just blood trickling down my nose. Yeah. At that moment, though, when the Rams delete and left him much time in the clock. And we were all thinking the same thing. I thought they were going to be two more scores in that game. I thought that she's we're going to score in the Rams we're gonna come back again score you should really slow down the cocaine. So here speaking of which my grand you tell me who sounds more like they're using cocaine. The guy who had blood dripping from his nose less while watching Rams chief chiefs or this guy who went on Twitter yesterday and wrote this. The way. Kevin Durant has carried himself in the face of criticism is a testament to how well LeBrun dealt with unreasonable. Vitriol post decision Katie was treated with kid gloves while losing an okay see loan time. Local media media criticized him, the paper apologized or into surly with the media on a consistent basis not to mention the burner account. What do you have to be mad at dude? What is your problem? Lebron even made your easy path easier by teaching the nation. They were a bit much in the years that followed his decision and here is where and if you haven't noticed yet. This is Mike Ryan being welcomed that person made a lot of great point Mike rhyme being welcomed into the stugatz club. But I just love the dismount here where Kevin Kevin Durant. Eight needs to be known right now. Mike Ryan has made an official statement posted on social media and has been notarized by two thousand eighteen when Mike Ryan hits the dismount with this Katie seems like a genuinely miserable. Person to be around. It's been bubbling inside me watching how he treats people. Now, we're here I've officially decided that as a thirty three year old man, I will now actively root against your happiness. Wow. Official. Good for you. Yeah. It's such a Meany. It's good that you got that out might get. You can't carry that around inside you unbroken. It's good that it has emerged, and it's not an infection on your soul. Video of him. Cursing people in the front row watch the bleeping game. Let's just do shut up and watch the bleeping game. I don't know what the people in the front row said to him that always matters to me. But yes, he did say shut shut the bleep up and just sit there and watch the game. But generally this due to misery. He's always so mean to the media and what her life. I have been fascinated. He thought he was going to get something else with those championships, man. I think that's the problem. What's hurting him? Mike is there's no validation. And apparently, I don't think there's validation from Gaza's zone team. I do believe I could see dream on saying, hey, we won. Say there's no validation. I would say that he expected something different fish, plenty of allegation back to back MVP every time they win one of these NBA finals, we have the discussion is ram better than LeBron. There's plenty of validation along the way this built for any sort of is interesting that you can say, look, you could be sick of LeBron James and Mike is right. When he says LeBron James is conducted himself in a pre spectacular fashion for someone who grew up child star. That's he's he's had very few bad public moments. But what you cannot say about LeBron James is that he is joyless. Kevin Durant doesn't give anyone a little bit of that contagious. Hey, you feel good. I like the feel good with you. It's so much defiance and his and back off because he's hurt with the Russell Westbrook thing. Whatever it is. It's nobody wants to hug him in Golden State. You do but nobody wants to hug him at the end you realize what LeBron did because by virtue of being that kind of hard. Lebron won the country over I think Kevin Durant thought he was going to do the same thing. And he's still the guy on the other side of LeBron even as he beats him. He's still a lesser version of what LeBron's how could he possibly think that though I mean, I'm serious because LeBron came down to Miami would no championships because of people like you like you have been killing him for two straight years. It's probably not what he expected when he won too cheap. How crushing for two years? But then how could he expect a standing ovation after joining a team that was early and old time regrading because he's great needs a finals MVP we all on the thing with shots for mid court. But we all knew he was great before he decided to leave your home city. Great. You question. Whether he was champion great you questioned whether he was champion, Greg. I think he would've wanted championship there. And so how could he think joining an all time great team would be received. Well, by everyone. I find that hard to believe I really thought it was going to be received. But. It wasn't a team that what a championship the year before two years before it wasn't an all time. Great team. My only frame of reference is what LeBron went through when he formed that super team and a nation was angry, and he won everybody's respect by winning it, and everyone realizing in moments of self reflection is probably a bit much how we were treating him. What Durant Scott? It's nothing like LeBron bought himself though, something by it being so hard. We all saw how hard it was if it had been as easy for LeBron is it has been for Kevin Durant. That might not have changed honest to God. So be here. Right. But if it had been an ea- as easy as that losing to the Mavericks that first season helped him just all of it is hard. We all saw how hard it what they did the celebration. Everyone hated him. It was weighed and Bausch and him on stage. And then we all we all thought it was gonna be easy from there. It has been with the warriors. It's been really easy for them. I'll curse saying it. Now, they lose five of seventy says we've been living in fantasy world. This is this is what reality is in past. Lebron james. I heard some of the same criticism that Kevin Durant is hearing about how he needed help to finally be a champion. Lebron her. Oh, you didn't you couldn't win anything until you got with Dwayne Wade? You know, what it could have powered LeBron's personality? Just as it has with Durant, and it didn't LeBron rose above that kind of criticism and Durant should do the same thing. If you if you feel any joy feel free to express it happy thirty fifth birthday to the repor future. Happy birthday to him. I don't care. Good luck. You know, about blink motion activated security cameras, amazing technology for detecting anyone sneaking around your home or trying doors, and of course, monitoring holiday package deliveries. Blink is inviting ESPN listeners to score massive savings during its black Friday, cyber Monday of ant. Go to blinkprotect dot com slash radio and sign up for an alert when the sale starts. That's blinkprotect dot com slash. Slash radio or hit Amazon dot com and search blink security link is an Amazon company donlevatar he has the Kofin grade is football team. We take the ball from goal to go like no one's ever seen. We're in the we're on the ground where always in control. And when you say Miami your talk in Super Bowl. Stugatz. As the Miami Dolphins everybody Miami Dolphins Miami. Miami the Miami Dolphins. Good. Do not. Aw. I was feeling joy. Yeah. Wrong lyrics. These live at our show with this two guys on ESPN radio guests on the Dan lebatardshow appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Getting touch with the show any time to the one eight hundred flowers Twitter feed at lebatardshow at stugotz, ninety at Greg Cody hosting a thanksgiving gathering is no small accomplishment, show them. Just how much you appreciate all the hard work with twenty four multicolored roses for just twenty four dollars from one eight hundred flowers to order. It's simple go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. So Mahomes now has thirty seven touchdown passes. In his first eleven games. Brady threw thirty eight in two thousand seven go. Look at Brady's numbers. You will notice when Randy moss joined him. He will you will see that the year is probably two thousand seven. That's when Tom Brady threw thirty eight touchdown passes in season. He did hold the ball a little too long. If you want if you want to nitpick, that's where the turnovers were often do that. I don't want to nitpick that is one of the best football games. I've ever seen a Texas Tech game broke out on Monday night football on of those Oklahoma state games. And one of the things that was rare about this doesn't happen. Very often the numbers show you the ratings the best the network has had for Monday night football game in four years. What never happens is you get the hype the hype the hype the high people talking about this game on Friday before Sunday was played the over under at sixty three and a half is what we were talking about. Because both teams average more than thirty points scoring then they give you that first half. And you're like, oh, this is going to be that. And then it just keeps escalating like it keeps going up it its lead changes. Its next thing. You know, tyreek hill is running seventy yards. And why isn't he being covered? And you're looking at the field, and you're like nobody's going to need to punt here. Why is anyone punting when they get the fourth and one you're always going like you're going for it? Right. You're not gonna you're not gonna punt for it here on your thirty yard line. And they're going to stop you. I want you to notice something by the way about last night. The Rams did that without girly. Like they were. I know he was out there. But that's not how the us. He was a gay Koyo game. Like a game and scored touchdown. This sees keeping kept using play action to him to open everything else up Todd Gurley. We'll have a lot easier Dame's than that one. Just doing not much of anything other than being a decoy McVeigh was still passing late in the game when they probably should have been running. But you know, we always talk about prisoner of the moment stuff. But you I think we can all agree that last night's game was one of the great games in any sport of all time. I mean, there was just nothing wrong with it. It's also the first game I can ever remember a quarterback from a losing team who threw three interceptions and nobody's criticized Greg the chiefs had five turnovers and scored fifty plus what the hell was that? What do you mean they had five turnovers and they scored fifty the saints. Don't get to fifty without any turnover. How do you have that much time to score fifty when you have five turnover because of how fast the ram score? They just give you the ball right back. I want with their four punts in that game. That's impossible. Why are they even punting the rare? Double fifty burger by the rare double fifty burger double stack. It's impossible to complain about. What what you saw everything is nitpicking? What you saw last night is is why we why we love that stuff. Why we love that sport? And Furthermore, it is. So very obviously the future you feel how if you're a Jacksonville fan watching that game far away. Oh, yeah. Defeated. It just does those three teams. We're at the point correct. Where I know you might get a surprise from the chargers, you might get a surprise from the Panthers. But we're at the point where there are three teams playing offense in the NFL where you're overwhelmed by and you're saying maybe the patriots have a chance against a couple of them that. But who's who else you put in there, even putting Pittsburgh in what you are watching? There is clearly elevated from everything else that we're watching drew Brees is the only other quarterback on the face city or could be watching that game last night saying I think we could hang in this game. Right. I think I think it was criticizing Patrick Mahomes too. I mean, not accurate enough couple of interceptions little sloppy with the turnovers. The saints average thirty eight points per game. They averaged thirty eight points per game. So you putting the chiefs in the Rams in that in that company? You're not putting page. I think drew Brees watches that game and says, yes, we can do all of those things, and we can beat all those teams. And I also. Think he's crazy with envy when he sees Mahomes through one of those five yard outs. Because he throws it so hard. Kevin Clarke from the ringer ahead of funny observation that drew Brees should have just been sitting in the front row. The entire time for stared down at the right? Side of the octagon should've been. That's right. They should just having him stare with Comoran Ingram right behind him in actual formation. Like in the backfield. Everyone just staring because. I dare say it are you ready for this? I'm going to blaspheme against all the holy in the NFL. I'd rather watch these three teams than the patriots. What? Say that again. Say it again, I I'm afraid that might blow your mind. I would rather watch the saints. The Rams and the chiefs more than the patriots care. Sound like that hurt? His are. You not familiar with this mind blown thing that we do around here as you break and pencils again. Look at him. He's under his feet or up. His mind was blown. He's going to put his mind together during the break.

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"When you go out you can't Jim what's in your wallet terms apply happy Friday local our loyalist mystery crate is out by the way go ahead and the Dan Le Batard Woodstock Gotcha podcast is brought to you by the capital one's ever card or four percent cash back on dining and entertainment do percent grocery stores of one percent on all of the purchases Miami Hurricanes both teams undefeated I'm going out I'm getting there early and I'm going to get hammered actually not that's so the eastside is alumni and family friendly yeah older crowd west side is he hedonism yeah I look for that if Miami wins but I don't have any level of confidence if I got my head I'd say this is another one score loss for the North or South Guy I think if I'm looking at the stadium in my mind right now with South Guy I've tailgate right near the overpass Virginia's really good at getting after the quarterback Miami's very bad at blocking for their quarterback here's what I would say normally I usually I'd be all over line hurricanes yeah I mean I usually like to have a little action when I go watch a game especially one where it doesn't mean much for the canes and I feel I don't know if I can bet the canes I was thinking just doing the hurricanes are two point favorite even though the public is decidedly on Virginia everyone's a little confused as to why Miami is favored especially when you consider surprise it should be Miami's biggest win since their win over Pittsburgh I think this would be Miami's biggest winston some moral victory week zero Miami in this game but I'm not sure if I can trust them if the bookmakers think they've they love Miami for whatever reason in Miami's favor today if Miami wins game it's pretty it gets pretty Raunchy at the group I go with they get they go after it so I should be fun this game should be fun to Chris Transition the the content that he puts out for them Kevin Clark makes his mystery crate debuts go ahead and check that out it's game day and the whole town is buzzing holter on the field when you have so much pressure at the quarterback quarterback being able to not only step up in pocket but takeoff for additional yardage and keep the defence a little honest I think it's because Jeff Thomas has a big game we start stretching the field in a way that you haven't really seen Jaren Williams do and keep an eye out for I wonder if they're it's on this any sort of over on cozy Perry running the ball because I feel like that's a dynamic that's been missing with offense you think that there would be some big plays left I'm excited to get out there even though there couldn't be any less buzz around this game right Miami trying to improve the record of five hundred and you get that allusive coastal win more own just this is the biggest game of the year we circled this game on the calendar we knew the coastal would come down to Virginia Friday night prime time against them and if Miami another reason why Miami might win this game is if that D. Line unleashes we know that they have the talent or at least you've heard from me and people that NC states Virginia's all those teams And even when they have good years I still feel like we should be better I wonder if I'll ever stop falling for I want to hear from Tyler Hero and billion Chris you got to speak to him last night after his big game well a couple of weeks ago immediate day but you talk to them about driven it's fun and we go to Charlotte and it's just about getting closer and building on something and then the following year closing the gap and here we are again and I really thought we it's really not that great so it's like you get to say you beat a ranked team but it's Virginia I kind of think Virginia's really Good Virginia that game got away from them because Notre Dame got to the quarterback a safe beds I was just to go over because I just root for points yeah I duNno I'll I'll look for that and you guys watched the Thursday night football game another good game this one was a bit of out at training camp and people that report on this there's NFL talent along that line but no one's really getting to the quarterback with a lot of consistency. Let's Unleash Greg me out of my hypocrisy I'm tired of never been hypocritical about this team and enforcing yeah man I'm an idiot this team does this to me I'm just eating I'm not driving definitely out there yeah come tailgate with me I was I'm a Middle Guy Mill it's called the last time they beat a ranked team was pit last year eighty four what was the last big victory for Miami was it the Notre Dame yeah there is something fun about beating a ranked team that added two years ago I was like men founded we finally have a real coach we have some big wins not embarrassing Mike Anytime he goes to travel for something and we've just and I came to the realization that I just know every season and they get excited every season I'm going to believe that you know we're going to Charlotte and be right yeah we talked to him hey lower listeners you're very faithful goal listening to Mr great you don't do it enough yeah and also Kevin Clarke from the ringer who I haven't immense amount of respect for the first game of the season and you're playing a good team if you play well it was a good team I think I'd like to Emma kicking needed to okay I wo- Billy you're calling and lastly last week technically was a moral victory to show such fight and you guys think the you can you go into something expecting to win that you lose and you can leave with a moral victory yeah the panthers here's panthers will struggle early in the season then come February comes a run in which they'll close the gap to two points and we'll start talking about games in hand so I think why I look at Virginia that way is mainly the reason I think people don't like canes fans just because I have this like I just feel like we should be elite overall fell players and you're wondering why couldn't Miami do something with it but over the last like five years you've had players leave this program early and your swear to yourself on the side I'm out on the west side I I don't want to say exactly where we can we can you're on the waste yes that's where you can say we we decided next to their name and their started this season's tough I mean we talked about the first three they essentially the Cleveland browns all this off season hype I don't know if the sabres are actually good but there are three Oh and one so off I saw that guy he had talent but we never captured it here at Miami I'm sure with PA Good Coaching at the next subtle they'll become something hasn't really happened lately Colbert was a good example of a guy that wasn't that good here and then he had a really solid season then he got cut this off season I didn't really understand that so stop leaving this program early points out I I I'd be interested here Louis riddick talent evaluation when it comes said the Miami hurricanes because during the golden years in the Shane in years choice elite we thought might need a chance to win so if they lose you can't get a moral victory I think you can only get moral victories if you're going to get blown out after early as Joe Jackson done anything with Dallas Michael Jackson junior he went to the NFL was that earlier on time either it's not that good I would say based on the players that some teams have on their rosters with off the field concerns that he's probably not that good Joe Jackson it's not working out anymore like for good example of last year's team Gerald Willis like the best player in our team last year I wouldn't even make a roster that one's very weird same today Panther's game no I laughed so hard at that three points out of the second told you this season's about being three earns and that's how we found his way to the University of Miami Program but he cleaned all that stuff up is it an age thing or is he just simply not that good I don't know Chris Fire Protection Equipment delivered stock restroom supplies and make sure your facilities are clean and ready with products and services including uniforms mats mops Ronna be positive the seasons sox no seasons in terrible would be a big win for them then they're they're playing the twentieth ranked team in the country a fifth round draft pick practice squad I'm really excited about a caller we have online should we to him next segment who is a merced abby the EH trains number league and then it ends up being points out on ESPN plus looking right now he's been on ESPN. I knew that I'm just saying remembering it right now looking at it and learn your animal isn't the Cheetah but the far less appealing blood fish come on glad insult to injury you could ormes installing products and replenishing supplies so you don't have to let them focus on the details so you can focus on keeping your business running perfectly more than one million businesses trusted us all the momentum all the the positive strides we made in recruiting sort of evaporated with last year's disastrous season so you're about Panther Season merced daddy you're on the Air Mike don't let those boys lie to you that's a moral victory you guys got on August twenty four and and I really like Dan Mullen and I said that entering week zero I I love temperament I think he's a really good coach the character issues that being said I truly believe him when he says he cares about the kids some other people say that I believe him and I thought he really shied as we were on more frustrating aspects of being a Miami Hurricanes Fan was seeing these players that didn't really make an impact for the hurricanes go to the next level and be really solid within ninety years the company has worked to help businesses big and small look more professional and run more smoothly Cintas could help your businesses run with efficiency delivering unit Ed helps keep their facilities and employees clean safe and looking their best they have the products to help your employees stay safe and a power programs that convey the right image they sir room supplies first aid and safety products fire extinguishers and testing and training and compliance courses cintas helps customers get ready for the workday for this is solid so yeah I like Dan Mullen I immediately took a shower. I think you're GONNA get smashed this Saturday against Lsu and he hasn't slept in a few hours coming up next merce daddy do God's ears cintas provides a wide range of products and services that enhance customers image go to for those that don't know about my tweets I watched a HBO Twenty Four Seven they followed the Florida program the big game week against town what a great recruiter but I believe them to be a solid man despite you know some the it was widely reported what was going on with your program and the officers news those fifteen minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance too Geico Geico fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance the team really peak towards the end of the season and play their way into one of those New Year's games and even challenge Alabama sometimes Alabama doesn't lose often but sabers sabers did this last where they got off to an incredible start and then playoff time I'm like what the hell of the sabers reverse panther he's totally took a crap now I've heard from GEICO motorcycle it took fifteen minutes to take a spirit animal quiz online please be the Cheetah Cheetah Nice season I like you know I probably three Kinda like Molin what do you do that you like so much that. Hbo Show I like his bedside manner as a head coach there was one instance Stati the Merce Dab Moore stabby was a sensation and Florida for weeks zero everyone fell in love with Moore Stat and from what I hear yeah I thought the Canes Game Watching some cats and my phone is cats I would I think I'm GonNa Record Tonight's broadcast because Louis Riddick is calling the NHL standings tired joke. Look you think I like making this joke I actually kind of do like I'd much rather talk about panthers like with an X. because he was the second best D. tackle in the nation last season what is going on like how's that possible like how can you roster he had some off field concern I mean I had some notes about Dan was talking way back when legalized gambling started about how to live board would work now you guys have friends at Caesar's over here in Iowa have friends at William Hill when he's like they call me a quarterback whisper the secret to being a quarterback whisperer is I'm like look a coach will yell at me tossed to help them open their doors with confidence gets into US and get ready for the workday learn how Cintas can help you get your business ready at Cintas dot com you can kind of call those out I don't think Florida this team to do it I'm not gonna get ahead just because he has gone but you have a really solid defense this year this year they're making a plan can you look up the standings I wonder how many points they are the final playoff spot it's getting really tired joke look at the you ever really solid defense but that place the College Game Day folks tell me that that's the most I thought like when they went to the rock for the Notre Dame Miami Game I was like there's no way they'd been stuff and it's just the chase alive in game you can sort of tell what the line like if they're giving you extra points on something it and it seems no that was a moral victory was why moral victory because there was a lawsuit Sorta look good Florida is you can't wait hold on Florida's never been places louder than this and they gave Miami all the respect in the world in that atmosphere that night all the respect in the world they said it was a second crazy atmosphere they've ever been to and number one with a bullet I mean you haven't had a game that's not within a touchdown I mean since twenty eleven except twenty Thirteen's eleven point game twenty eleven. Lsu was the national championship they beat there's nothing worse than losing twice right like I think like the browns on Monday night football I thought I had a little bit on it happened to me and then I ah that Dan said very dangerous be careful on those offshore live boards. Yeah let me I've learned my lesson with live in game is night game death valley at Lsu I don't like that they're to death valley's do you like that they're two valleys because both pro it's very confusing because both programs how do you have any non like do you have any non-football takes because Chris told me that you've been up all night what does that look like stabby I work at good to be true usually it is you really want one that if you're gonNA chase with a bet you're gonna WanNa line that even you yourself are like I don't know about that games kicking off so to dicey pull the morning flights that's very nice of you to try to help fund that dog have you tried Bologna I've had success in the past getting my dog back in the House with Baloney it's your job burroughs obviously operating at a different level you guys like in this I can geek out about like college football i Love College football I know it's bad I had people on week zero because Florida turned out to be pretty good if it doesn't matter they can buy three touchdowns this season Google play off team but if God forbid they finished the one loss and beat Alabama they're they're in the playoffs and had to get out of here with that yeah how many times have we seen a two loss. Sec Of course as you guys know and we had this guy come in earlier this week he lost his dog you know I always get on top of it again tend to find this dog he lost his dog September third we're not tobin what about doing it and I'm just like no I'm not going to let the brown took him plus seventeen and a half plus seventeen and a half I was like there's no way they lose thirty one two three lost thirty one three in golf they don't need to talk to them right now can wait so what are these hotdog transit you've said look like do you have like the classic box with a stick and the hotdogs it'd be my trap I think that you should be super disappointed by that he's been pretty good so far is completely wrong that's he wants to eliminate the game that is not what you're going to get the chin last night but what can you do get I was disappointed because I was so excited to be raised guys sat down the wind was just out of a raise sales really early on both those teams could lose control don't destiny I read North on espn where heather dinners was basically slamming chances if they lose it all she's even have a shot at the plant now graded you've already put himself out there as an anti Rangoon Guy I think he's overrated there's no point to go out in the car going to run away so it will get a chance to daylight here if he's out and about is this confirmed to be the same dog or you just sauce I was inside China snoop around but it saw me so we're back to square one belly I'll raise guys I was trying to be a raise guys man it's and again come back I haven't seen him like screw it I'm going to be up I might as well call the boys and we'll fight about this game not as far as I should be trying to get on last week last week that game was that is episode of excuse me Merced Abby that's absolutely not what I did what I said was I was concerned about Anthony Don having an Ian Desmond situation where he now why not very fun just your basic live spreads but I've got a friend and he's still got one of those offshore accounts but those live boards very spicy great dog Greyhound and like this thing was just skinny and so much it's gotta be I mean it wasn't a deer because you know you're walking on the cement if he has has all this guaranteed money decides fe Desmond and then doesn't sign the deal and loses all that money he hates him and it falls back on us we can't be netted actually he's not gonna be so happy for Kornheiser Imagine Kornheiser with a world series he deserves it I I've gotten attitude but here's the thing about the shipping container collected play on the taps baseball tap sports baseball that you know that game we still use that one let's say games with you well I have like the two thousand seventeen version race off the Florida but I would be surprised but defense travels we'll see I mean they turn the ball times of trouble but that's actually pretty good analysis it is a lot of points and I'm sitting here smoking heaters last night watching the game and I see this dog he's super skittish doesn't come up to me I can't get him so basically all night other setting these hotdog traps just lurking around different expectations for the war this would go but turned out to like you showed your soft side you're a nice guy you know and that's the thing I would so revved up for that you're GONNA lose last week and it's we still suck but you never know almost hopped on a plane I was too scared with the layover and you know you get one little stopping you know you're in Atlanta that's kind of a stretch basically I just play the pot of all over the place and just kind of lurking around waiting to see if you come back and you never did and now we're GONNA go sun's coming up a good to you got the rock over I don't know who had it I you know I thirteen and a half points Fred I mean Lsu Cabela's blow them out but if you look at this rivalry at the opening so I'm GonNa hop on here at a little bit see if I can find this guy are you calling someone no I'm GonNa call from work but I do not care it's thirty four degrees here love Justin clearly had the clock on the concrete definite dog and I mean as soon as we made eye contact it lasted then I caught it again the putting green ran away from me I mean catch it so Chris cody going to the hurricanes came today confirm I'm already drunk you're already dressed for the game and there's one Freddie cheat in your practice turn up injuries you gotTa make that Guy Kicker or punter now he's doing both ways little Charles Woodson Nile Kinnock action that's gotta do but well you know he has a note here the Saugus skittish you know he doesn't own approach him I mean how did he die can't approach very tough job here but luckily freezing cold all the music on my phone I'm sick and tired of it no more time with it we'll catch up with you next time thank you for calling the pit we've got to pick a new team now I don't know when you're raising I mean a team you gotta go net you go you got the Harper store you got there's just no mercy we always enjoy the time please feel free to call anytime I have to admit that when you said on the phone before you got on that you were up all night I had thank you so much merced abby we'll talk to hey if they do win check back with the dog Oh yeah you have to keep us posted especially if it's a greyhound you talk to my heart tap sports and he's like in my homerun derby like roster God he mashes in that Game Anthony Tony I look at him like God I wish he was on the Marlins but not for two hundred and fifteen million dollars who I feel like it's a compliment to Roy is it really few seed parts of yourself and myrrh stabby no I tend to agree with you go on his energy should we just a very roy vibe in terms of energy the dot forbid if God forbid they win the game I'll be electric on Monday I might not have a voice and I'll be fifty bucks lighter I don't do white matter was not going to wear white Miami can't pull that off like as a city we cannot or unless you give everybody white shirts there's no way everyone's going to go coordinated it's a stormtrooper the school that's just my opinion on that maybe this is a hurricane saying where people just crap on I was most guilty because I thought this made a small primetime game we're wearing the uniforms made of garbage going to be a teal out because it's all you're gonNA see empty seats in the field we're not wow you think it's going to be empty see Soccer Jersey Nice texture on it so I'm rock the New Jersey made a ocean trash today because it's white Chris you need to wear something white what do you do big issue that I see with the whole fit that Iraq and you were in Green Yeah did you get the memo now so white out all time I will say Nike Diddley Pu for the University of Miami they treated US probably someone say fairly Canes Fan Program and treats them as if it's one of the only programs in their portfolio because we are we are we are I hated these uniforms when I first saw the photos and I went to the on campus canes sore last week and I saw him in person I was like well this is nice I thought those patriots take time I mean I don't WanNa make light of the situation because the man is death this is a dog it's helping him get around and he he passes the sun's out a month later controversial in that they're made from ocean trash and people aren't crazy about the way that they look and I must admit the first time I saw the specs and like the images at the McCain's program thinks look five national titles we should be getting the best gear we should be getting our own template and feel good adidas absolutely takes care of this that'd be really disappointing this is the best home game schedule this week slate of home games now you need to put something on now the uniforms are bit I look I want to see professional college but they just don't look why hated the stretchy material I hate the the stretchy material the the jerseys that are up I like the old school like eighties like stripes on the shoulder pads they look last night I just don't like how Dita's actually make college uniforms in general across the country check that out I'm proud of this mystery crate so heavy on the interviews but it's two interviews we got tyler hero on this mystery crate a lot of he nine months of anger like I said last week I was lunatic I could go through a wall I just I got in the pharmacy Thursday night couldn't get up to make a call Friday you know things a little bit well I need love that you know I'd like to have other content I'm not I'm not a goat like halfway with all these creative things but man he's a genius that Bluetooth thing I delete it it out I was like what is this this is not good Roy your uniform guy did you hate the uniform photos that you saw initially I hate the uniforms in general just because it's an I think the year that we played or whatever is Brian occasionally like I'll play because I'm like driving Orlando's they not driving but I'm a passenger and I have to do I'll do it yeah and that was embarrassing and I would always remember the Lsu game if I I had a bunch of dime life shirt sort of celebrating Jerry world LSU detail though they sorta revamp them and that's what really drew me to this Jersey I've purchased it the craftsmanship and it it's like a really soft because this is a Jersey they're wearing for one game right yeah so I guess this they get destroyed like what do you do with this Jersey like it's always going to remind you of this horrible game there's just dope last night yeah I liked that look to I I can't really deal with the side panels but the Patriots have had so much success with their set that they're not gonna change that uniform but all right I am not I think he's worth it now he's earned his money but hey on the game tangent member that guy who called him with the line up like hey the guy well I don't know what the record is were in Jersey I can tell you what your own parlayed their parley the time they wore last zealous you game right unless you kickoff and just straight to the trash those and the hats didn't well the oversize cowboy hats off to travel but survived the night go Horley this straight back into the ocean no I mean it's a Nice Jersey I really liked this one ends expensive so I can't just like throw this back into the ocean as we have a very important guests on the line thinking about it made you do it more than you would have no because the first time I did it I said I thought of course billy little light bulb over my head and I have options I have options band I haven't ninja-style headband. I have no headband wristband option I'm not sure what to go with so I figure here's really good but I got a question for you guys okay I in honor of Jimmy Butler and maybe the you know what he used to look like should Iraq the Ninja style head base for this yes yes Ninja headband absolutely great do that make that you in fact and is an important update on something we were talking about earlier in the week hello is what good about my poo ooh no update how much how much did you weigh the lap in a pool I'm wondering if up and back should count as one stroke you know what I mean so you may actually be six and not twelve because you're counting one two three four five six Dan I was like Oh no I didn't count so let me just do the exact same thing on the other side and it was twelve you know what I'm wondering now is he so much honestly I thought it was at six like if you would've asked me you know just how I think six but I was double that people are using way more deodorant than they're expecting you think the fact that you were what does he have the date I mean I'm not sure what Christmas talking about but I'm about to play in the flag football tournament here in New York starting this morning at eleven o'clock and so maybe you could be right all right well we'll find someone on the field because I have to reapply on what Time Game Games at eleven absorb the odor and you do yeah totally forgot that randomly tech billy this morning and I probably will never think of managed to say out loud never think of another asserted counseling and just you know just completely normal approach and I go twelve to thirteen swipe what did you think you were at there it's Kinda cold it's in the sixties kind of avoided the rain though so it's just going to be overcast today it's going to be pretty good we're going to be facing a team from Austin the second game is at three and then we got at one eight thirty in the morning tomorrow and you re applying between games I mean I bring it with me I'm probably GonNa Right I that's I'm swiping Deodorant Philly I was I was counting I just randomly started camping and he's like it's really fast and so a little a little intimidation go yeah all right is he best of luck thank you thank you appreciate now let you know how we do. What's a gator with elastic bands like the bands at one small pump before yeah you know I actually have one get a little extra with it I don't know if we're the lap looking team out there but you know and by the way the thing we were I was asking I was teeing you up for his you had an update on how many uh-huh do it on around the horn make it part of your general look feeling you're going to wear that anyway though is he like you wouldn't have taken that if you weren't gonNA wear it hands a headband so like inbetween plays you can get a little pump and I'm going to start doing that reverend four-game maybe his one of his good bets this week is Texas plus eleven against Oklahoma because they say like for the last like five point always it's always a double digit favor and Texas always plays them close Tom Herman as an underdog is legendary? I think I'm GONNA do that. Yeah let me see what I like they also mentioned US's on today's local our feel about that I admitted that I like Dan Mullen I'm reconsidering entertainment porpoises bet on Lsu body oil black but thing yeah do you wear I'd like when you play no not anymore you should use the elastic just because it is a lot of points with a good defense I was looking I was watching wager with daily wager on ESPN the other day and the bear was talking about WanNa be too smelly what's your strategy on pre game meal's how long before meal do you what do you eat before a game that's a great question because I never actually play this I use Tom Brady missing also they have guys on that team that I've never heard of Gunnar Oche Eski which is like a date was about how much did you weigh after your last I mean there's no marker situation that was definitely a clean so I'm very happy about this morning all right that's great normally in tournaments I games I like at eight nine in the morning so I was like what do I do fill up why not honestly I'm playing it by ear flying by the seat of my pants and going to get some coffee and tea join elastic band for I'm not even sure what happened for I'm not gonna lie I know exactly where you have to look you have to look vascular when you go out when you try to they call the the Notre Dame game on the game yeah Notre Dame legend Doug Flutie Is this homecoming for them I think so perfect name like a perfect name for a patriots wide receiver for obvious reasons and Ryan is oh who I don't have to look it up that's Larry as kid right flutie there that was my larger entertainment purposes but on a small scale I laid heavier juice on giants under team total thirteen and they were like debating who was the better this is a big weekend for Golick junior right because he's like like it's his homecoming he's leading all the pep rallies a little breakfast and see what happens going into the game I'm probably going to cramp up because I didn't eat enough love going sold abroad and they love Alexis do you travel give up all his blood and organs if the Patriots lost last night so it was a little dicey there patriots covered yes here's I had patriots side the field case there's some reporting what great idea yeah and you don't oil up you put sunblock even if the sun is shining because it's like a pseudo like people like at restaurants and stuff or just dropping in the occasional Spanish word with the flared Spanish accent Alex Trebek's I mean there's some there's some cooling teams in your league I mean are locally nationally there's a lot of teams interesting call you cool if I go with Paul Executive Decision Paul you're on the Air I hope this is your number yet it is Paul what's up what's up thanks the US for homecoming it might not be they were eleven point underdogs so it has to be someone good oh here's the action that I wrote down to myself here's the action that I wrote down signs that he might be on his way to maybe like four years from now being on his way to being the way to do it yeah we're going to do it it's just Tom Brady was missing throws and I'm totally cool with it I appreciate it as someone who's like a White Hispanic so I I not fluent in Spanish I understand myself that I like but I wrote this down on Monday so I need to take a look back but I liked Clemson I really liked that one in Lsu Wazoo but they do say it to make fun of Americans not just white people but Americans specifically do you know the origin of Gringo I don't can you fact check this for me I always heard that the origin of Gringo was when you know political exile Greenville Offensive I do know that that when Mexicans say they don't mean it in a mean way not to twelve and one two three so you might accident at six go demo right is that one or this one because you know let's upper in a half ooh yeah thank you Tom Brady washed all get out he didn't look good and I know it was windy but Tom Brady those were coming into this country and they had green cards and government officials would meet them at the border or wherever and they would just sort of look through a crowd as people would hold the origin of Gringo. That's I always heard this but I never googled it to make sure but we like to hear on the local so you may not how white people got called cracker and I don't know if those are accurate and all these other different things but it sounds good for sure yeah I already feel like I'm wrong because like everything but I do like to put the right fl the proper flare uncertain words other words I kinda sound a little not as Latin there you go so yeah my question was how do you feel about white guys speaking Spanish to Latino or Hispanic Erta those guys is the green goes because they would just look at them green question mark go green go so that's what I thought but sounded right right it sounded right how about we make our own history Paul Man I'm in we'll go with that the thing let's go to a caller to wrap things up who do we want to go to Col- Polish to bash in Paul I thought had the most Hammy he I don't know if I trust that anymore purdue Houston Iowa Utah Tulsa Charlotte and Air Force you have a lot of action win a lot of money Ah yes a scary moment for him I say I first quarter I was watching I'm like man this guy may lose ause blood and organ go Joe said yesterday and Golic and Wingo that he would is it tim and thereto they he's talking about in in Notre Dame yeah southbound yeah you have to provide because everybody's watching up on Friday Mike how about that yeah energy what else is on your mind anything else okay so yesterday when you guys were talking about football players became actors a nominee so the category but if you dig even further I did not know this his brother in law is Ricky Nelson famous fifty who kids from a burning car with a sledgehammer okay he also his wife is Pam Dober- more committee fame as mindy I hope that I'm right because I'd be it makes sense done it sounds right I don't think it found I've heard lots of similar stories about like as a greatest bad weather quarterback ever Tom Brady like he missed wide open throws careless with ball I'm not saying he's not I'm not GonNa do that but I'm starting to see

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Biden the Dust | The Press Box

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Biden the Dust | The Press Box

"Hey guys, welcome to the ring podcast network. It's lists Kelly the co host teatime, your favorite celebrity, and pop culture podcasts have moved out of channel thirty three and into their very own feed called bring her dish on ringer dish. She can still listen to jam session on Wednesdays and teatime on Fridays, and we'll be launching a brand new show that will publish every Monday episode so far included a heated debate on witch celebrity Chris Rian supreme and a social media, deep dive on the big little lies cast, so to hear more about the Royal family and our current celebrity obsessions. Subscribe to ringer dish on apple Spotify or every your guests. David. Cory Booker demanded that Joe Biden apologized for comments about segregationists, this week. And then Biden demanded the Booker apologize for asking him to abolish what I want to know is David are there any apologies you'd like to demand? This is as we record. This is the NBA draft day. They'd be is in full swing at the ring reach queue and I would like to formally request an apology from our own Kevin O'Connor for just teasing me into thinking the Mavericks might be signing out Horford. Let's see what, what, what, what a project do we need. QA demanded apology for Biden for committing more gaffes than we have weekly episodes of the press box to catalogue them. It's never going to end. It's never going to end. We are the sorriest media podcast. This is the press box a part of the ringer podcast network. L O media, consumers, Bryan, Curtis and David shoemaker of the ringer here, lots of stuff to get to today's show. We have the nation's first Donald Trump non endorsement, we have a new and emerging type of journalism, that's infecting the nation's websites. And we have Texas news was the overwork Twitter, joke of the week, and much more. But David back to Joe Biden, and the segregationists, what we got this week. I think was yet another appearance of defiant by new no defiant by by now. It's the Biden who says people know what's in my heart no matter what incredibly dumb thing just came out of my mouth. And before we get to the guts of the story, just listen to Biden when he was asked if he needed to apologize to Cory Booker, one of his opponents in the democratic primary. Are you guys like Hodge is for? What is called for it glacier, apologize. He knows better not a racist bone in my body. I've been involved in civil rights, my whole career. Period, period. Period note careful listeners there. We'll hear Biden's press person trying to cut off questions before then by delivers the singular soundbite that anybody paid attention to this all goes back to Tuesday when Biden was at a fundraiser in New York, he was doing his, I'm going to charm the Republicans into working with me bit. And he talked about a couple of segregationists. He'd served within the US Senate back in the seventies James Eastland of Mississippi and Herman Talmadge of Georgia. And by the way, congrats to every journalist in America who read the Wikipedia pages of James Eastland, and Herman Talmadge this week dope. Pretend you knew that much about those guys don't pretend Biden's remarks. Were we didn't agree on much of anything? This is according to the AP called Talmadge, one of the meanest guys, I ever knew and said, Eastland used to call Biden son son, we're gonna pass legislation today. Yet either. Even in the Senate Biden said there, at least was some civility, we got things done. And they're David is one of the great magic words of politics, civility, Vilakazi, Eastland and Talmadge were civil in the Senate with by which is what Biden is saying is important, even as they were uncivil to all their African American constituents. Yeah. I mean to. I'm not quite sure you can attribute. Civility I mean, I guess we all know that we all we, we've all said things about people like y you know, you might have a lot of bad things to say about him, but he's never been anything but nice to me, and I can only judge them by my personal interaction. But I think that kind of goes out the window when someone's like professed segregationist rate. I mean, it's it doesn't really matter how they treat you. I think there's other there's other material to be brought into the equation. I mean listen. Yes, we do know what was in his heart. We know that Joe Biden is not is not aligning himself with the segregationist, 'cause we do know that Joe Biden. I mean, we can all accept Joe Biden was trying to make a point about working together to pass. I mean in, in governance despite enormous chasms in ideology or philosophy or whatever else we know what was in his heart. We don't know what was in his head, and I think, that's, you know, the, the turned into the, the functional, I mean, the never ending question about Joe Biden. His quixotic presidential campaign. I excited he's the front runner in a lot of polls came out of the gate it. Sure heels quixotic with every mistake. But yes, but yeah, if this were anybody, but Joe Biden, and by the way, if it were Joe Biden himself, minus eight years, vice President Barack Obama. I mean we know what that looks like it's Joe Biden when he ran before, you know it is quixotic. It's just like it's, it's the most bizarre person running means to run for, for higher office, that, that you could put that you could imagine, except for the fact that he had this really significant eight year run as president, we know what's in his heart, but in a way, that's what scares me is what's in his heart, because he's running on bipartisanship and civility and national healing and appealing to our better angels, one of the funniest one of the funniest details about this was the New York Times piece in which Biden's advisor said, no, no, no. When you named Republicans you worked with you were supposed to name, John McCain, and Bob Dole. You weren't supposed to pick the segregationist. You were supposed to pick the guys who are kinda had that kind of nice bipartisan sheen on them. And there are a lot of Democrats who would say, but that's not what we need either because one that was an imaginary time long ago in politics was a lot different than it is today. Yes. When the parties were a lot more scrambled when Mitch McConnell was not running the Senate et cetera et cetera. But also just like that, that is just a very odd thing to be your defining characteristic at this moment in. That's obviously, what he wants more than anything is to, you know, us, you know, cool. Joe, Joe cool, Mr. persona to somehow convince everybody to work together. I just it's, it's an amazing, by the way, an amazing lesson to take from the Obama administration is that you can charm you can appeal to the better angels of Republicans to work together. Wasn't the less Obama administration? The opposite lesson that that doesn't work. I mean that was the that was the. Lesson. But the but the, the philosophy of pretending that it was possible. Never really went out the window, right? I mean that the put it putting up a putting up a front of. Civility, I think was sort of their operating their, you know, they're operating philosophy throughout the, you know, even till the bitter end even when it's clear that was never going to work with a few notable examples. I mean listen far be it for me to give campaign advice political advice, anybody who's been doing this, their entire lives or entire careers. But I mean it makes some amount of sense for Joe Biden to be running as a front runner, right? I mean he, he has certainly the resume as we've discussed, but also, I mean, the best thing he has going for him is the presumption of victory. And yes, so I so I understand. I understand. Why Joe Biden is in an on any general way running a general election campaign. Right. To act like you're above the frayed act like it's a give and you're going to be taking on Trump these things make sense. But this is the wrong kind of general election. The wrong sort of general, general election move to make writes it to act. I mean to, to, to talk about civility at a time started by healing the nation at a time when your opponent is not Donald Trump your opponent of these other twenty Democrats, circling around you and what he did was we talked last week. How are they going to go at each other? What are they gonna? How wh- how are they gonna attack by now? They're gonna attack. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren. He has just teed up the easiest attack line on him. The end the most the most ineffective one to the democratic electorate great. I mean he's he's ju-. This is the biggest gift that he could have possibly given the other Democrats running for for the presidency. Absolutely. Because it takes something that's hard to attack which is bipartisanship. And it coats it in this, you know, racism and segregation. And it's like how could you possibly want to be bipartisan and reach across the aisle? If this is your idea bipartisanship. Absolutely. Let's recount, some of the attacks. Booker wait mentioned demanded. He apologize build a blah's ago running his presidential campaign in relative, obscurity, says James Eastland, literally thought my wife and I should not have the legal right to marry that those children should not exist in our children, should not be on this earth. Better a Rourke said that Biden completely ignores the legacy of slavery in the active suppression of African American and communities of color right now. And last, but certainly not least here his California, Senator, Kamala Harris, I have a great deal of respect for vice president Biden is done very good work, and he has served our country in a very noble way. But coddle the reputations of segregationists of people who if they had their way, I would literally not be standing here as a member of the United States Senate is I think it's just it's misinformed and it's wrong. Mccollough Chai's for that. He's going to have to make that decision. But let's be very clear that the senators that he is. Speaking of with such adoration are individuals who made and built their reputation on segregation. The Ku Klux Klan celebrated the election of one of them. I think the other thing that Biden is changing our minds about, maybe our minds wordy changed. But he certainly clarify it is that Senate guy is not a great candidate for president. And here's what I mean by Senate guy. It's that guy who's all about the pomp and Colegio -ality of the Senate somebody who has that long record. We've already talked about multiple times how Biden's long record in government is actually a hindrance for him in a campaign, rather than a help, but also a person who is entire reputation was sort of built on. I'm one of these go along get along guys. I believe in ceremony. I believe in the nobility of. The Senate itself. These people have lost presidential campaigns pretty regulate would mention John McCain and Bob Dole. Both lost presidential campaigns people like Barack Obama were in the Senate for five seconds. People like George Bush, you know, were never, you know, never had that kind of thing, Hillary Clinton who Senate record came back to haunt her in two different presidential elections, even though she wasn't Senate all that long. I just I just think he his in a weird way. He is actually focusing attention on on that body. And on the way that body used to operate. Yeah. And has almost you know sort of ruled it out as something you can put easily on your on your resume, and say, this is the reason to elect me. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's not that it's not that dissimilar to the discussion of sort of the, the glories ideals of the Senate versus the glories ideals of journalism. You know, I mean the approval rating for either of those things in and just some vague way is gonna be rock bottom, just because you can produce it cool looking black and white folk. Photo of you know what it was like back in the fifties. That, that, I mean, that, that doesn't mean that anybody has any nostalgia for that, you know, and I think quite the opposite. And, and you're right. I mean it goes against. It's not it's not an argument that anybody's interested in hearing. And just like and you made the point that it that, that this gives them this gives Biden's, you know, opponents away to attack to civility, which was this kind of this vague unimpeachable thing up until this point, it also opens them up to I mean, every flaw with the Biden campaign, that was sort of, you couldn't get a handle on before is now something you can just take a swing at if you wanna make the point that he's an inarticulate idiotic misspeaking, candidate, that's going to be a problem in general election. You can make that point now because of what he just said, you know, you can make the point you can you can make the point that I think, is, you know, it might be still a little bit treacherous. You can make you can make the argument that he has this huge blind spot in a very real way to the liberal mission. Right. I mean, this is like the fact that he would say that is all you need to know about him. Someone can say that. And I think we keep coming around to this, and who knows how much it matters. But the age issue is an issue that's going to keep coming up and win your argument for how how. How you're going to reform. The government revolves around some sepia toned memory, with, like, you know, PBS documentary violins playing in the background, it just underscores the fact that you're a really old dude, and old white dude who, who does not who has. I mean you're out there just like pumping your fist. It doesn't matter if all of your references from the dark ages, then people are going to all they're going to be thinking about is how old you are a that is exactly right. Because his opponents can't say he's too old to be president, but they can say he comes from this. Now bygone political age, that is not right, for now that he has no relevance to what we're doing now and should be left back in the nineteen. Seventies, I did also like this piece that was co written by Mark Murray, who's a senior political director of NBC news and more importantly at Texas Longhorn, he talks about the same day. Bide was muttering about segregations Donald Trump was once again. Refusing to apologize for everything he did with the central park, five Republicans with Republicans nobody cared nobody cared about what Trump set. But when Biden, did his bit his own party dog pilot, and it's that sort of a symmetry of outrage as Murray calls it that is going to be a big factor in this campaign. It was very similar Hillary Clinton too, that you Biden, Biden is not going to be be given tons of slack by his own allies. Whereas Trump is going to be given, you know, basically an infinite amount by the way, this just absolutely sharpens the issues for next week's debates talked speaking of well-timed gifts we talk about how it gives them a way to attack bite, and we'll guess what they're going to be on stage. This is like the, the minor fisticuffs at the way in. I mean this gives us something to look forward to in the debates next week. This is the shove the the profanity shove, and then we're ready. Now we're ready for the main event. We are. We are contractually obligated to remind you that next week, we are doing a live press box episodes, Wednesday and Thursday night after the democratic debates turned down your music at the Eric well, well victory party, and please join us, we'll be there. I David type of the overwork Twitter, joke of the week where we celebrate a gag that was so obvious that all of media Twitter made it at exactly the same time asked listeners to police in their nominees to at the press box pod, or they will be gratefully received David. Here's a tweet from the publication the hill Broadway play about Hillary Clinton is closing early due to low ticket sales. This is the this is the the rather improbable Broadway play. Yeah. It was an overworked Twitter joke to right? They should've advertised in Wisconsin. Thanks to Matthew Zetland for that one that joke will never end. Do we I, I think that's going to take us best twenty twenty? Remember when Donald Trump misspelled prince of Wales? On Twitter, the other day. Wales like the oceanic mammal. Yeah, it was a terrible terrible terrible. But extremely widespread overworked Twitter joked to say, do you think at the real Donald Trump type that on porpoise? I again I do not. I'm not endorsing it, but it was out there, thanks to Augie Hayes rate, and David, we got tons of stuff from the Toronto Raptors victory celebration coup Leonard and pals won the NBA title last week and celebrated this week with a parade through the streets of Toronto Dave Bullhorn. Avid listener notes that it was an word Twitter. Joked to write board, man gets parade. Not not paid Ord, man gets parade. And by the way, that was used by the ringer account, and we believe in intellectual honesty, here at the press box. And we behold, we hold ourselves to account and over. We're Twitter jokes just like anyone else and not babble daddy's not getting away with anything here. Anyway. Thanks today for that one. And finally, this one came from the ringers own Donnie Kwok, one of the subplots, the NBA finals was that guard Jeremy Lin wanna ring with the raptors despite playing in only one game in the NBA finals and not taking a single shot. So played in one game at garbage time did not take a shot, but isn't Germany Lynn, is an NBA champion as Donnie notes. It was an overworked Twitter joke to write for all the years of Asians. Having to do all the work in a group project. No one should be giving Jeremy Lin craft for becoming an invasion. All right. David time for the notebook dumb. This week Donald Trump kicked off his reelection campaign in Orlando Florida, with some rhetoric like this want to make clear to the media. We have the cleanest and sharpest crystal clean. You've heard me say went crystal clean, air and water anywhere on earth. If we have about three or four empty seats, the fake news. We'll say headlines you didn't fill up the arena. Do you notice there when he was talking about the quality of the air, the for he said, we have the sharpest air, he started to say that? Go ahead to back off that adjutant. So we need to decide David, if this move was thirsty or brilliant or possibly both. Because as Donald Trump was reading to kick off his campaign in Orlando. The Orlando Sentinel, a paper near and dear to the heart of the ringers very own Kevin Clarke decided to file its presidential endorsement or non endorsement, the headline was our Orlando Sentinel, endorsement for president twenty twenty not Donald Trump. The paper wrote some raiders are wonder how we could possibly eliminate a candidate so far before an election. And before knowing the identity of his opponent, because there's no point to pretending we would ever recommend that readers vote for Trump after two and a half years, we've seen enough. So the opinions editor of the Orlando Sentinel. Mike lafferty was trying to explain this calculus. David, and he's he essentially says, okay, we're not endorsing Trump. But that is no. Oh, guarantee that we will actually endorse the democrat we might not. And so I, I love this because there's all these like scenarios here with the sentinel, does not endorse Trump, but also doesn't endorse a democratic nominee. I mean, chance you see the kind of lame. Okay. We cannot support the president. But we can also not support nominee, Bernie Sanders. So therefore, take a pass on this one or lafley also held out the idea that maybe they would support Mitt Romney, if he ran in the very unlikely event, he was going to run against Trump in the in the primary Silec. We're ruling out Trump, but we've, we've got about, like four or five scenarios, where we don't endorse the democrat the sentinel has endorsed, Hillary Clinton, but did not doors endorse any democratic nominees from nineteen fifty two to two thousand four. In other news, David, we've talked on this year podcast about the journalistic post mortem for the. Men moving Jordan meetings and sets that we've gotten how to go wrong pieces about men in black international and the Houston Rockets season. Yes. Yes. Which dissolved into acrimony and a second round playoff lost, and any journalists listening to that will sense the necessary three examples for a trend piece. Yes, I'd like to inaugurate a segment called David's assignment desk. Take it away. David, first of all, I just want to give a shout out to Sean fantasy. I'm doing this for you, man. He I this soon as we got three deep and actually think it was four deep because a couple of the last few came at the same time, I thought this feels like a brand Curtis piece, and then Bryan Curtis win on the Bill Simmons podcast and, and just and spoke life to the peace. They just they you and Bill went on there. And you and you and you talked about this subject. You talked about how crazy it is that it's just it feels like within thirty six hours after every just large scale failure that there's a link theory. Peace. With many, many, mostly anonymous sources explaining how everything went wrong and listen, we're about to see, we're about to fall backwards into another barrage of them, when we have to read, you know, six thousand words on how the Knicks off season went to shit or whichever other team is it is that comes up empty this, this in this NBA off-season, although them just gonna assume it's the next and, and, you know, with the with the way, the summer movies have been going. I don't think there's any end of those either I feel like this is a perfect peace, deacon can take movie them. You can take the NBA you put those things together with the with the, the magical. Pin of Bryan Curtis. This is this is a perfect ringer piece. You gotta write this. First of all, I want to clarify something. If I had tweeted that out, then I would have gotten the note from the other say, hey, is this, a piece is this a PC just tweet out? But I feel if you speak it on a podcast, then you basically already written. So that was totally strategic on my part. So maybe test. I it's gone. It's done. It's it's been held its trending on Twitter. It's over. Yeah. It's, it's very strategic disarray, small thing for journalists. Don't tweet your ideas just speak them on a podcast. And then you'll you'll be absolved of radio. No, I do think this is interesting because I've sort of made fun of this for a long time, where the sports writer waits until the season is over, or the free agent, walks out the door, and then unloads all this stuff that's been happening. And I was like to call that a now they tell us peace interesting. Yeah. The now they tell us and it's interesting because some of it is totally self interested. The writer is saying, okay, once Kyrie Irving leaves the Celtics, then I will tell you all the terrible things Kyrie Irving did, which of course, I could have told you over the last couple of months, but I didn't want Kyrie Irving to be mad at me. That's one part of it. But I don't think there's this other part of it, where as soon as, you know, Irving or another superstar, walks out the door, management, does, then may be come forward and say, Enin hate you, you want to hear all the bad things that we couldn't tell you he did for the last couple of months. Right. We're going to tell you. And so I do think the other part of it is that sources kind of get a little more get a little freer with information and that certainly is part of it. The movie one is fascinating because it's sorta like we have to we all know the movie's gonna bomb, I think, dark Phoenix, and even men in black, where we knew this was not going to be a giant hit. But as soon as that happens that then frees us to just point it's more of finger-pointing exercise night. Didn't have anything, if you, you know, you want to hear the executive over at Sony, or at FOX, who screwed this up. Let me tell you who it was. And that to me just reeks of like calculation. And also, like how do I get that person's job? You know, how do I how do I pay back somebody that didn't, you know, green light, my movie by, you know blaming him for the dud? Yeah. I think that's right. I mean to me, this sports this on the sports side. It's a little bit of Akayev of, you know, the, the back in the well, the, the sepia tone glory, days of, of sports journalism, when the the beat writers would would file on the team plane or fly with the with the team on the plane, they being the locker room the drinking with them late at night. They do everything they kept that out of the out of the press, for the most part. But then maybe they would sign maybe they would sign a book deal in there as they're retired part of the retirement package. And that, you know, they would let all the secrets out then but this is just happening at a much faster rate, right? I mean this is like immediately upon player x leaving the leaving the market, you can just unleash. All holy hell on him. The, the, the Hollywood thing I think you're right. I mean, it's a it's a it's, it's competitive, it's about there's a little bit of indebted others, but there's a whole lot of just sort of jockeying for continued employment in oh, if not a promotion to take someone else's job. Head hunting were someone else's job. But I think that that's I think that's a real part of it. I think that it's just. This. You know, there's a lot of sorts of writing that have exploded in the modern internet era, you know, oral history is a great example of that. And there's certain sorts of, like, quick reactive, blogging that are examples that it's sort of mind boggling, to me this though. I keep coming back to this, this sort of writing it, can they can turn it around so quickly. I mean, of course it's big on the internet. But you can it's two days later to thirty six hours and all of a sudden, we know every single thing that went wrong. It's just people are crazy. All right. David, this comes from the department of literally figuratively, one of our favorite, one of our favorite devices to monitor Alex burns, in the New York Times directed everyone's attention to this snippet from a Joe Biden pool. Report Biden was talking about his front runner status and he said, quote, I don't believe the polls right now. Guys, this is a marathon. It's true. Were ahead. It's true. We feel good about where we're going. That means two things one there's a target on my back and then Biden added that he meant that figuratively. So Joe just to clarify for listeners, Joe Biden is not apologizing for his remarks about segregationists. But he does want to clarify that he does not have a literal target painted on his back is not something painted on the back of a suit. Thank you. Joe Biden, for clarifying that, that was infected figurative statement. From Trump's bedside table. David, the redoubtable K file over CNN found this exchange where Donald Trump appeared on CNN's crossfire remember that back in the eighties, the hosts Pat Buchanan and Tom Brady start asking Trump about what he was. Reading was a great subject. Pat, Buchanan says who are your favorite authors? Donald Trump says well ever number of favorite authors. I think Tom Wolfe is excellent buchannan. Did you read vanity of the bonfires Trump? I did not can't bonfire the vantage excuse me. They go on and on and on. And then Pat Buchanan says, what's the best book? You've read besides art of the deal about Trump himself wrote, Trump's us, I really liked Tom wolf's last book. I think he's a great author. He's done a beautiful job Buchanan. Which book Trump is current book just as current book. It's just out Buchanan bonfire, the vanities Trump. Yes, and the man has done a very, very good job. And I can't really hear you with this earphone, by the way, so much going on there. Number one. In the great Michael of trick of. I can't hear the question I don't wanna Hanson. But, you know, best. Yeah, we have those rare moments where you don't like Donald Trump at you at least, there's some tiny tiny piece of you that kind of a dentist with something. But pretending you've read a popular book which Donald Trump is pretty clearly doing there with bonfire, the vanities that to me is something I can identify with when you're nodding along, as you know, I worked at one of the country's most procedures bookstores for about a year, years and years ago and pretending I'd read popular books was actually part of the job description. And I don't know if I ever, if anyone ever said that to me out loud, but it took me years and years after working at that place to de program myself at an into an to the point where I could actually remember which books I had read and which books, I hadn't read 'cause I would get the conversation with people, and they would just be like, like, oh, did you read McCullough's, John Adams? Yes. Of course I did. And here's like three fund bullet points about it like, wait a second. That's not a book, actually read. That's should I. So they hand. Sold that book to hundreds of people. That's why I know it. No way you read that book absolutely not. We did it. We need to press box where you just do ten books. You pretended to have read, and I guess, we actually might have read guess, which ones you actually opened the cover too. Oh my gosh. Yes. That's fine. That we gotta do it. It's great. I just threw this down at the last minute. Did you see the whole controversy with Chuck Todd of meet the press and concentration camps in Alexandria, Cosio, Cortez? I don't wanna go down that rabbit hole, because, frankly, it's sort of boring. But I did notice this Tim rustler snake was trending yesterday. And the reason restaurants, name, was trending sort. Of course, the deceased former host of meet the press, Chuck Todd's predecessor him was because all these people were tweeting look at this look at this Chuck Todd this feckless, Chuck Todd Tim russert would never let this happen just to, to anyone who is not old enough to remember all people did. When Tim russert hosted meet the press was contained about tim'rous. That is all they did all they did was call Tim russert, feckless for going after these weird ideas of truth and lies and everything else that sorry, this has been this is this is happen. Whoever hosts the show. So please do not use him as a prop in this debate. We see through that stop. I think it's, it's worth stating that the agreeing that the highlight packages that we see of Tim russert do of Ohka person who would not have put up with that stuff. So that's right. It is it sort of speaking of sepia tone, Washington memories, is that the media was better back in the day. You know, now it wasn't everybody complained about the media back then they just didn't have Twitter and stuff like that to do it new department. David called Texas news. You and I are both Texans. And you were worried that Florida man was getting all the national attention. And that we should refocus some of that attention on, Ted Cruz voice, the great state of Texas. Well, this Texas news story comes from Sugarland, Texas, and KP are c- channel to Jim, we just play the beginning of this clip, so we can hear and appreciate the wonders of local TV news. Neighbors upset tonight about a gator, citing in Sugarland, not because of what it might do to them. They're worried about what someone did to it. See for yourself. It appears a knife is sticking out of its head store. You'll see only onto at six o'clock that gator is a neighborhood late family say it's been there. So David just to be clear, one. There is a knife sticking out of an alligator said and Sugarland and number two, you're only going to get that here on channel two just the other station across town may have that important school board meeting that affects your kids allies. But the here on to we have got the exclusive of the knife sticking out of the gator said fan, let us continue with KP RC correspondent, so FIA Beausoleil telling the story of the gator and the knife, Aaron says the Gators keep to themselves and doesn't understand, why someone would stab one with a knife. I wanted to help them, but, you know, he is a wild animal. And you know me by myself, I didn't want to do anything. Which is why the community is asking for help, the forebade county game warden is aware of the picture. He comes back to work on Monday. And he says, that's when he will come out here and look for that gator, Aaron Weaver, the woman who found the elevator tells FOX six that may actually may be the station across town. I feel that somebody did this on purpose. Or maybe on porpoise for the for the gator. So thanks to thanks to those stations down there for a first edition of Texas news. Thanks late, laugh to appreciate that listener mail. David last week, we called for help in naming our segment about the continuing public makeover, of guy. Fieri once hated and now regarded by the media, some kind of hoagie, eating bad s or Michael elves won. The contest by proposing that we call our regular segment, fear rehab, fear rehab. So look for that on a press box near you this week. David, we talked about how Steve Bullock, the governor of Montana was one supporter shy of making the democratic debates. And we asked how long it would take David, if he was wandering around Brooklyn to find that allusive Bullock supporter will gene, Montera Sally writes, I was walking around Brooklyn this morning on the way to the gym listening to your pod, you, you could have found this guy. David, you could literally. Bumped into this guy. I am from Wyoming, gene rights, and I had no clue Bullock was running for president and it might have taken me three guesses to even come up with his name. So, gene will not be supporting Bullock or not. Or not obviously supporting Bullock, Dan, Whalen, by the listener rights indus-. I listened to the breast box at one point five speed. And when you said, gravitas, with scale that was the terrible euphemism of Ross Levinson, who is now running Sports Illustrated when you said gravitas was scale, I heard gravitas with kale, which frankly, I like better. Thanks to Dan for that one. And then Ben Gibson, I love this one referring to a segment. We did a while back about how the rock the Dwayne Johnson rock was considered a journalist by a court in a case over a lawsuit over a movie. He produced Ben rights. So with the rock, journalist item it reminded me of my old, hypothetical Indy. Wrestling gimmick. Are you ready for this David please AP styles? AP styles to be his. So terrible that I loved it. It is bad. Thanks to Ben Gibson for that one. Right. I for David shoemaker guesses these strain pun headline. No. Are you ready David the thirties will ever be? This is one from Michael Demetris who points us to an Elle magazine profile of hope solo member hope solo, they former goalkeeper. This finally, when I can sing my teeth into all right? Keep going. I was I was going to say, I think there'd been a little obscure lately. So I kind of wanted to correct back to something you actually had a chance at former goalkeeper the US women's national team. The profile is about her uniqueness. Her outspokenness some of the controversy, she's been involved in what is the headline of the L magazine profile of hope solo. Oh my gosh. All right. We had two good words here. Are you gonna let me are you gonna are you gonna tell me up top? If I should be working with hope. So hope solo or both. You should be working with only one of the two words. Okay, I'm going specify. I mean, I'm getting really hung up on solo a Star Wars story for the for the second one's. I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm going to hope that it's that it is her first name. First name that is correct. This is in what magazine in L magazine said, L magazine I mean, it's poets after she, she's out of the women, the US national team. Right. So the real it means that the really easy, one would be hope comma solo, but I'm very, very good. I was like she'd better than what it is. But, but, but continue if this were a fashion spread it could be a gown called hope. Let me see. Let's there's like I mean, high hope Ray of hope these things are not reportedly interesting loads hope, floats. I'm looking I'm actually what about? What about abandoned hope all Ye he who entered the women's World Cup? That's good stuff shows, hopefully tone. What is it? The hope solo is my best guess you have anymore, hints for me. So I assume what if what if I pointed, you toward a popular Obama era catchphrase? And so the Clinton era catchphrase would be a place called. That's not it. But the Obama euros raise would be the Dasan of hope the audacity of hope solo that is correct, laid it has both. All right. That's all right. That's fantastic. I love it. Right. They, they did at the last name. You're right. Could've just spending on Desi of hope we will the audacity of hope solo. He is David shoemaker. I'm Brian Curtis. Producer is Jim Cunningham research, by Chris Almeida. We got more lukewarm takes on the media next Tuesday. And then we're back next week with two different press boxes reacting to the democratic debate. So you then David later brand. David. Going in my heart. Stop. Backless as you know, I work program David, if he was wandered around abandoned, hope, please do not doing public makeover of an inner ticket that, to me, something when you're nodding along. I think that's right. No matter what readily dumpling just out of my. White. Can't really hear you with this Airfoil by the people. How do I get that job? But in a way, that's what scares.

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Cases For/Against the Next Generation of NFL QBs with Kevin Clark

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Who can help you navigate the unexpected talk to a state farm agent? Today we are. GonNa talk to Kevin. Clark actually is a great piece on the match to the golf we saw on Sunday. We'll get to that later. But I want to run through a bunch of the quarterbacks younger guys talking yourself out of who they may be for the rest of their career and some other kind of. I don't know if it's news and notes done if we have some to Shawn Watson dot contract but it's not so much like hey should dallas pay dak. Moore's he being treated unfairly as Dak selfish for asking what he's asking for of all of these things are true. It's more about some of these caps. Could take a real hit here and then it starts changing things around for what kind of cap space a team even has to be able to use on some of these higher price quarterbacks. So we're GONNA do some of that. I do have a couple things that I want to get to Just off the the started this so it's not as an official the open this week but everybody loved the Gulf because it was on and it's not really any more complicated than that it makes you think that I'm sure some TV executives are looking at these numbers. Almost six million viewers going okay. Well what can we put on next week and this is always an observation about but why couldn't have been an option earlier on well because people worry about the optics and I never know if the optics people are the people that bring it up? That's a very small number or if it's actually like fifty to sixty percent if they played golf say in April at some point would people who said too soon what is too soon mean is it mean that if four guys were out there with isolated cameras playing golf together They're putting themselves putting others in danger. Yes I think the more that we've dealt with this The more that we think we understand it and they're also can just be kind of the human nature part. It's like all right you know. I've been quarantining here for a while. I've been doing this but I just need to get out. I need to do something. Certainly seems to be the case in my neighborhood because the beach is packed in a way that I've never seen them Packed as far as people in the water. And yes there's distancing between setups. You can't have a chair at at the beach I live near. You can have a chair but you can sit on a towel which I guess is some way of trying to deter people from showing up whatever and even the people enforcing it was like. Look Man. We're just trying to figure this thing out but I don't think it would have been any problem having some kind of thing on but I'm sure there would have been just initial pushback that somehow doesn't exist now which is probably nothing more than all right. Now I'm impatient and I actually want some options so think about that. If it were to happen in April would you have been a person that goes others is too soon? It's just not you know everything that's going on in the country. We can't have people out there playing golf and by the way raising over twenty million for charity. Because I'm sure the TV executors like could we have gotten away with announcing something like this or we got criticized there have been so much pushback weird is like whoever goes first deals with the brunt of it and then other people get to kind of draft off of that because it how? I'm sure plenty of guys are trying to figure out. What what can we put on? We can have happened quickly and get another big. Tv number will have it go towards charity some way but yes. We're GONNA make some money off of this as well just so we can have something on. Tv and in that way even if we're just inside of the event promoting our own content on TNT. Then it's a win for us because six million people are watching ads for bones. I don't know if bones was actually advertised but you get the point. It also leads into what's been going on with his NBA. In baseball thing. Where I'd heard that the other leagues wanted baseball to announce I because if something goes wrong in baseball kind of led the charge. I really always think that stuff's a massive waste of time. I just do like okay. So what's going to happen if people start testing positive if you come back and play baseball that people would say well? No basketball guys are testing positive. Baseball's the whole one that started this dumb. That actually is all of these leaves. WanNa come back and all of them WANNA play but to try and position yourself after somebody else makes another session. Here's the deal. Baseball seem so much further away from making a decision here and there could be a resolution on this by the time. The podcast is even released but they seem to have far more work to do because they do than basketball does and words like basketball. Were what announcement? Are you waiting on waiting baseball? Like just go ahead and do your thing in if you end up announcing its first then yes players do test positive for corona virus and their Corentin and you keep moving along although whatever playoff scenario you have. Where if it's somebody? Who's a big time player then all of a sudden say the Milwaukee Bucks and it's and you go? Hey sorry you're championship hopes. That's GonNa suck but I I don't WanNA listen to nor would I care for the opinion of the person that would say well. Basketball deserves more criticism because they decided days before baseball. The comeback I none of that matters. All of that stuff is irrelevant. That's why even though I understand the criticisms of the potential danger of baseball or basketball coming back but I was at the Basketball Orlando thing. 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S. I. L. L. O. At checkout that's W. H. O. P. dot com enter Russillo at checkout to save fifty percent sleep. Better recover faster and train smarter with poop. Do we call you senior writer. Is that not happen at the ringer? I don't care about titles. Just show up and ball. I don't need to see him. My chest. It's Kevin Clarke from the ringer our. Let's let's just jump right into this. Okay jail I was texting with you last night and I felt like as much I love talking to. Qb's there's so young guys where you could probably talk yourself into either conclusion they're good stats and bad stats for almost every single young guy and I want to go over kind of where you're at right now talking yourself in or out of these guys and then I'll just jump in and I'll even share some of the research I did on this. Okay so you ready. Yes all Right Josh. Allen I love this one gruesome next. Gen Stuff Fifth and average at yards. Which is really amazing. Considering he was thirtieth in yards per game. So what that tells you? Is that Josh Allens. Not Afraid to chuck it. He just isn't going to complete it that often. Yes Josh. Allen is one of the most fascinating quarterbacks I've ever watched I think the Houston playoff game. Last year was Josh Allen that was Josh Allen at times breathtaking times maddening His pocket passer rating while being kept clean is lower than and Lamar Jackson's passer rating under pressure. Okay and I think that speaks a little bit to the inconsistency of Josh Allen also speaks to the otherworldly of Lamar Jackson. But I think that there's if we were to go through numbers we like versus. Don't like with Josh Allen. This good literally like a ten episode thing. This could be like the last answer we just about whether or not Josh Allen has a chance I think the you know for every strange stat number one being that I think he was fourth. Pf fourth and uncatchable passes last year. Twenty six percent. I believe he was the worst deep ball thrower in the NFL with passes under over twenty yards and he was second in the in the NFL. Four Smith's tackles by a quarterback vinyl Lamar Jackson on his scrambling ability is really good He has the ability to make plays when it seems like he shouldn't make plays and I think that I I am. I'm so impressed with what buffalo was done. The last two I think the F. for every for every spotlight that gets put on the Sashi Brown Brown's or even the dolphins were there just tanking and and trying to to build up or do a quick two or three year rebuild. The bills are kind of the model right now for a team that was able to take one of the biggest dead. Captured is in the history of the sport Take a roster and basically just flush it and build in two years. I think that the what Brandon being done has been really impressive and the quarterback being VAT missing piece or not missing piece but the outstanding piece. Where that clicks they can they can win a damn super bowl. I think that's maybe one of the top five and was fascinating stories in sport now k. So that's a compelling case for the organization. Yes but I'm sensing hesitation because I think we already kind of know who Josh is. I think I think it's GonNa things where I know what you want it to be Buffalo. Just don't think that's going to be in. The Dallas game is hilarious because he was incredible. But it almost feels like your buddy from college. That shows up to a wedding in just crushes. It like his date was awesome. And everybody's parents loved him and parents keep asking about job. Whatever happened to that? Josh Guy Really liked you know deep down like he brought that weekend but that's definitely not who he is. So that's what I feel like. His Dallas cowboys game was just an incredible weekend at a weather. Kevin Cole does really good work Had An article a couple weeks ago. About how rare. It is for a quarterback to actually break out in their third season and I thought it was interesting because there hasn't been a lot you either know who a guy is. Bhai the second season Or he just kind of flames out and the guys that Josh Allen and Sam. Darnold kind of graded near. It's not a great list. It's strangely the one kind of superstar who did break out and third season with Troy. Aikman that has to do with the fact that cowboys such dog crap when he got there and obviously The the organization stepped forward. And you know it was just a different era of quarterbacking But I think it would be. It would be kind of an anomaly for Josh Allen or Sam Darnold to just sort of become a top tier passer in their third year after so much to the first two years. I think it's it's really something issued to watch but I I agree. I think I think what we've seen out of Josh Allen. Even though he's improving Robert mays interviewed him last year. And Alan Basically said he didn't play the seven on seven stuff that other guys did in Texas or whatever. He's from a different part of the country. He didn't have that year round stuff. He didn't throw in the off season. I think that there were similar. Arguments but Ryan Tannehill played receiver in College at some point. He didn't get that that total quarterback education. Some guys get but I think that how much you can improve at the. Nfl level is especially want male. Once again you're twenties. I think that it stops being significant the email behind the learning curve like. I don't think they Josh Allens against some twenty years. Twenty seven breakout. Because you didn't throw year round And so I think that just generally It is his learning curve. Staff needed to watch. And I'm intrigued to see how like us. Okay you said a bunch of stuff. I love there because I I've always. I always thought this was the Bill Walsh thing and I don't know if it's in the book of it's one of his quotes but I know this thing exists where it was of like twenty starts and you know and yes. There are exceptions but don't argue exceptions when I think you're right for the most part and the biggest mistake people are making not that you're doing this. You should do a long form on this in that here. All the quarterbacks here's who they were after twenty games or thirty two starts and then this is who they became. And how much variance is it or. How often did that guy? Losing his job because they didn't really develop but what people are doing now is a looking at some of the greats of previous generation. Maybe just go back ten to fifteen years ago. Go look at this guy's first year. Look if you do a look at Tom. Brady's first year thing and then try to argue. That your guys going to be awesome because Tom Brady. Didn't throw a ton touchdowns the beginning you're completely dismissing. What Tom Brady was asked or not asked to do in an offense so I see that a lot where it'll be basically fan bases or local media will kind of build up guy and you're going well you're you're comparing different eras completely because even passer rating or completion percentage. You can't just bank on those and go. Hey Sam darnold had an eighty four passer rating. Because when I started breaking down the Sam Darnold thing now Sam darnold like what are you. What are you build on there in the second year? Completion percentage jumps a couple points. Yeah touchdown reception ratio. Seventeen fifteen his rookie or nineteen thirteen a second year. He fumbled more. Took a couple more sacks the passer rating jumps up there a little bit but I am also worried that darnold who there's some things visually. I like better than Josh Allen but I go what if I mean imagine if the jets are looking to replace him in two more years yeah so go ahead give me your darnold so I think darnold that I think the he has the right jam and Joe Douglas. Who's obsessed with the lines and building out an office of line at Tackle I think is going to be really important for him. I don't again. I'm not expecting some huge jump from your to to your three but there could be some basic competence. I also think there's two things about the AFC east quarterbacks it's intriguing to me number one is that it's really easy. I saw Eric. The show today. It's it's not a huge leap to say Sam. Darnold might be the best quarterback in the division at the end of the season. And because Tom Brady's gone. Because it's Josh Allen we don't know where to a is there is essentially a playoff spot available in the AFC East because the Patriots are going to come back down to Earth a little bit. I still liked him in that division and I also really really like buffalo as a franchise I said but also then there's the seventh wildcard to and there. Aren't that many good quarterbacks to where you only really need incremental improvement from Sam Darnold to get to nine wins which has alternate takes an extra wildcard. And then we'll Sam darnold and be deemed a success and be put on the track to get the mega extension or whatever. I think that the weapons that DARNOLD has Are still not where it needs to be. I think the coaching is not where it needs to be. But I like the improvement on the offensive line. I think Douglaston. I'm dying job. I think Joe Douglas Kinda crush the draft. And so I've been I've liked. What darnold they've done around Darnold There'll be some incremental improvement but I I don't see him being a top ten anytime in the next two seasons. I think it's really hard you know you had the motto thing last year. I think it's really hard to make a determination. On how much did you pay any of these guys and darnold might be the hardest to figure out y'all fair it might be? Hey better weapons better line. He's going to be fine. I'm telling the Detroit game that we saw the beginning of his career is a bit like the Josh Allen Cavalry saying where you look at this from the start to like feeling good about it But to say and I'm not saying you said this but to go. Hey he could be the best in the AFC east by the end of the year. That's a really great sounding sentence that as soon as you go. Okay compared to guys have never played in Josh Allen who just talking about like congrats so right. Let's keep it moving Kyla. Murray the good his deep all numbers were incredible depending on how you want to frame depot numbers but if you go twenty plus yards or more His completion percentage I expected. Completion percentage was six and a half points higher. He was like fifty league. On that touchdown interception ratio is really good passer rating was really good. He was thirty seconds though and completed air yards. So that meant now that could be just kingsbury and those guys are making sure he was comfortable. Moving them out of the pocket He did a great job against pressure because people were really think. Afraid to send full pressure gets him because he might be as good runner as Lamar which is saying something Not this as productive him and others. No part of me that goes. Hey one year in. I'm ready to see anything that that the wants me to write him off. Because I do think those air yard numbers have a lot to do with them them. I WANNA say even babying him Kevin but just making sure they're not asking too much but I'd say for the most part You have to feel good about him after his rookie year. Yeah I feel as good about him as I do about the cardinals offense in general. I'm high on both those things. Cliff Kingsbury ability to adapt to this season along what you want to see out of a coach and I was skeptical of the higher. At first I just thought that an NFL team could have given him a bunch of money to be office coordinator and he would have done. It may be That you didn't necessarily make him head coach right away but his ability and I understand going from Defensive head coach. The cardinals wanted to go all in on offense with the young quarterback and all that stuff there. There's there's a million reasons why you make type of higher like this but I was still skeptical the ability for him to grow as a coach. He's the one along Was hugely impressive. Cuyler Murray's ability to get better a tract with that I think he had the fifth most deep attempts and I think that there's obviously room to grow their kids. Seventeen percent of his passes were off target last year or uncatchable That could improve. But I I li- it was as good a a years. I could have expected from him. And I'm expecting when we talk about. Obviously the biggest growth being from your Wendy or to this is a guy circle where I say okay. This is the guy who might have a huge step up this year. Were talking about him. Being Borderline top-ten if the offense is where it needs to be if Deandra Hopkins is the asset. We still think he is. If there's a David Johnson addition by subtraction thing Because you're not worried about getting the ball to whatever I know David Johnson existed last year. Although I don't think clippings break cared about that after after a little bit I think that this is the weapons that he has sets him up to be really really good quarterback in in twenty twenty. I'm I'm sort of. I'm fascinated to see how this lack of an off effects jumped from your one day or two but if anybody can do it right now it's Calamar okay so everybody good about Qatar. And I think that's the right play and I also think there's an it test of element to where you go. This guy was making some place for this team. That wasn't a great team last year from where it started to how the season finished up. I think there's a lot of positives there speaking to positives. And I'm not even putting Lamar Jackson on the list is if there's some doubt Because going back and looking through the numbers again last night. It's almost one of those kind of months removed from the season reminders. Of Oh my God. He was thirty six. And six touchdown receptions. His qbr is above eighty his passer rating is the eleventh highest season single season passer rating number. We've had and granted passer rating can be all over the place but when it's really really great or really really terrible. It's a pretty good indicator of what you did that year And then you look at the sack numbers. He was sacked twenty three times. This less than half of what guy like Russell Wilson or some of these other guys that gets hacked all the time that you scramble now it comes back to the two playoff games and the numbers are like wait a minute. What's going on here the pick ratios off? The fumbles didn't lose all them but he had a lot of them and to even put him on this if there's any kind of negative like I'm not doing the I'm hoping to be cancelled because I didn't suggest he play another position like Tibo a matt. Jones are an aircraft. It's just that when you look at the argument for did Lamar. Just take everybody by storm and freak everyone out This Baltimore offense was incredible. Is there something to be said about preparing for him? Because he's still this year in the playoff game through for a million yards yet. He just he just didn't happen once. He started getting closer to the The Red Zone and stuff which is surprising because he was absolutely it was one of the most dominant seasons. We've seen from a quarterback in the regular season. Yeah I think that teams catching up with Lamar. Jackson is going to be talked about the next three or four months. I just don't think that right now. In its current form you can catch up with him literally or figuratively. I think that one of the things when I was in Baltimore a couple months ago reporting it. They were talking about just his. His acceleration is as important as deceleration like his ability to just bait guys into missing Tackles almost like James Harden a little bit where you the ability to stop on a dime as part of his His talent and I think that the running is always going to be there. And that he's going to get better as a passer and I think still younger than Joe Borough And I think that's something that that is probably important and I would say Sam darnold younger than Joe Bro. To by the way There's some weird aged with quarterbacks right now because of guys who left earlier whatever but I think that he's in the exact right organization to understand how to keep his career progressing. I think Marshall Yonder retiring is a bit of a hit But I think that they understand they understand the curve And and how defenses. Adapt better than anybody. John Harbaugh the top five coaching this league. I think they've got a great infrastructure and so I'm not necessarily word. If is he going to get injured at some point? I mean every quarterback is injured is going to be this year. I don't know But what I will say is that because of this no off season thing because I think continuity is king. I think that they're probably my favorite right now for the AFC. Probably one eight hundred be with the chiefs. I haven't read determination. I going to be very year and I think if you're GONNA sit around. Nfl teams are obsessed with other teams in their division. I remember one time I was talking to Bob. Mcnair and Mario Williams de Mario Williams Left actually Houston but he was talking about. Why would why they drafted him and he said because all I cared about stopping peyton manning. It's all I cared about. And I I just wanted to stop peyton manning. So we're going to drop. The guys can stop eight minutes and really work. But I think that teams put a target on quarterbacks who are in their division or coaches who are in their division and I start to think that if the browns and the bangles in the steelers in normal offseason could right now literally right now being. Ota's and minicamp trying to figure out how to stop Lamar Jackson. They might have a chance. But I think you're doing it over zoom and you're just looking at tape. I think it's going to be really hard to figure out how how to stop them. Are Jackson in that kind of offense and that kind of all students use me. Yeah that's a great point so you don't see any regression you know. There was statistically there mahomes regression last year. I mean he was a worse quarterback. Yeah no it's a good point because there are some home stuff like I happen to get in a little bit of a Mahomes were mole when I was looking up these other guys. I wasn't gonNA put my in this list. there's some numbers. Oh wait. He was he was behind a bunch of guys in this category that category. And it's like okay. Who Cares? He's still the best. You would take him number one ahead. Every single guy so All Right Baker. This one was a little tougher to find the good number because all of the numbers are just worse than they were last year. The good number would be on deep balls even though the detail numbers from last year to this year dropped his everything. He's still found a way it tells you. He will force a ball into the tightest window and he still ended up doing a pretty good job can even though with all the receiving talent that he has he didn't have open receivers on these throws nearly as much as you would think with those guys but then you look at the bigger numbers. The rating drops off dramatically the interception spike by seven the touchdowns drop completion percentage drops mean everything drops is think. This is a bit of a guy just getting his ass kicked throughout the season. I thought it got worse and worse where he was getting physically pounded. So if that's a positive. It's that he was freaked out a little bit in the second half of the season because he's running around like that's what I saw when I watched him but I'm not ready to write him off. It's just a big big change of conversation around somebody that we probably talked up too much we did. I'll just set. We talked up Baker too much at the end of eighteen because they played a bunch of crap teams when they close out the season. And if there's one good number it's literally twenty eighteen. That's the number because he played at twenty eight thousand season where we saw some flashes. And I think there's a Freddie Kitchens tax here where I am willing to throw out twenty nine hundred a little bit because Freddie Kitchens such a bad coach a he had weird mechanical habits. That that second quarterbacks just shouldn't be developing or drifting into. I was shocked by that and I also think that we were just in the media myself. Included were just too earlier sometimes on teams and. I think that it's funny when I did a interview with John Dorsey last year and two years ago. Excuse me when he first took over and he said listen for a rebuild gotta have patients it takes three years and John. Dorsey was fired after your two and this is the third year of that. Obviously he doesn't get to see the finish line and there's a lot of reasons for that but I think that when I think how this all came together. I think a lot of times. We are too early on teams. I remember the forty niners hype a couple of years ago and obviously they broke out in twenty nineteen but I think that they were able to see where the whole is where last year and they were able to go out and Sign Jon Jack Conklin and address. Her line in the draft On the right side Ashley Mental left side and I think that they they are a team. That is actually having a quietly. Good all season but because we're were burned so much last year we can talk about it. We can't hype the Browns for two years in a row. Yeah right we're just not allowed. Yeah we're just nobody wants it so nobody wants to and so. I think that Baker can take a step forward and that way. I don't think I'm having a hard time thinking that he's ever going to get to the lead. The elite after seeing what I saw last year I think he can be a very very good quarterback I just don't I think that when I saw Baker last year and then you add Odell. I was thinking that these guys were twenty twenty one super bowl contenders and I. I don't see that track right now. The John Dorsey not being the like that seems like he just got the job and was wearing the sweatshirt yesterday and Baker was doing the impersonations. It was just one of those things in the what you keep track of things. You're reminded of your like that's right. Dorsey Ernie out after each show. I was there on the first day of camp last year and everybody was a celebrity there including John Dorsey and I meet John. Dorsey on one side of the field. And we're GONNA go do our interview and he was being treated like he was Odell Beckham or Baker Mayfield or Jim Brown or any of these guys. That browns fans loves and four months later not only was the out of the job but browns fans were oddly. Just furious at him. Like I remember. Eyeing mays said some pro Dorsey stuff on on his way out and he just got attacked for it is amazing. How quickly that that and again doocey said it was gonNA take three years and then it wasn't his fault that everyone got excited about the browns in your to and they just weren't ready and they hadn't filled out the roster right. It's just that he. He's the one that hired Freddie. Kitchens right now that I that's a that's a that's a problem and that was the and this is something that we've talked about. But I remember talking Freddie Kitchens and one of my one of my guideposts and whether or not a new guy is smart or good coach. You can never tell on these things well like to do is if a guy has thought about something or has reasons for something or maybe thinks more analytically or more deep. I tend to assume that that that that coach or is really smart and and has has the ability to be a good coach Without ever having seen him coach have a head coaching experience. And when I talked to Freddie last I didn't I would ask him a question about some philosophical thing or deeper thing and he decided nothing for me and I was just like man. I don't know how much thought this guy's wanting into this whole thing when we were talking about John. Dorsey was talking about scouting for Baker and the receivers that he would need and he was getting so in the weeds and it was really cool to hear that I asked the same question. And he's like yeah. Just just get him some good receivers. They did some good dancers data. Okay I have a couple more and then I have a couple of bigger. Nfl questions that. I want to get to okay. No Jones a good number. I found his use. Third and aggressive throws aggressiveness. Throws next-gen Fourth worst yards per attempt. He run the football and him. Not being disaster was the positive because a how mock the pick was so. That was a win This one I I have no I idea is I mean. We're only talking not even full year and I would. I don't know I. I don't have anything on good or bad to be honest with you. I'm not emphatic. One way or the other about Daniel Jones. I'm going to need him to stop fumbling eighteen times. I mean that's that's a huge red flag. I cannot get over the turnovers there But so I mean. Essentially he had at twelve hundred the eighteen fumbles. That's just a lot of balls on the ground or going to the wrong person I think. Daniel Jones has a chance to be competent. I think the bar was so low after draft because he got dragged through the mud so much and I was definitely a part of that I think the victory lap from giants fans was a little bit too early since it took place one minute after his first game and I think that is Joe Judge and that coaching staff with Jason Garrett Freddie Kitchens by the way was on that staff talk about some fireworks I is this the staff. That's going to get get the most. The Daniel Drones Jason Garrett is is is a has not called plays in a while and when he does. He seems to value execution over scheme. Which is interesting when you consider all the scheme lords around the NFL. So I think the Daniel Jones H- again has a chance to be better than we thought he was a top ten pick so I mean we would hope so. I just don't see a lot of positives from the giants right now Saquon really good but I still think they have so long ago that we're not gonNA be able to figure out if if Jones good until until that elusive year. Three where where we're again it. It's against the odds of a breakout. Then Mitch we're all off of them now. Yup Haskins way too early. I don't have I don't have a take. I got on that either. Yeah his body. Fat percentage being a four percent seems Kinda low That would be great if true. I'm sure he's in terrific shape but some of those low single digits. I always kind of wonder like. Is that actually what you are like? Are you a ninety pound? Croatian gymnasts? No wasn't there a decay metcalf number floating around that. If it was true he'd be like a deceased person. Yeah Yeah there was. I'm not A. I'm not an expert on it. You know you try to keep it low but I think there's some real fake numbers out there and everybody just eats them up. I mean people love retweeting for percent body fat on somebody. Here's a curve ball the last one I have for you because I don't I don't really WanNa do goff because if I do if I do go off. And he's going to do much other guys and everything. Although Goff's story has taken as many turns as you could in this short amount of time Which is pretty remarkable but realizing that garoppolos played sixteen games only once. He's only played over six games in a season just last year. So there's an argument that we're talking about a twenty nine year old quarterback going into his second full season. I mean that's what he is now. It's a little dismissive to say his sophomore season when he's been around for a while but he was third and completion percentage but he was actually second worst in average attended to the sticks which basically means. How often are you throwing those first down markers and only teddy bridgewater who is low? In a million categories by the way The GAROPPOLO was was only better than bridgewater. And I do think that that is telling number. Now you could talk scheme again. You could talk about the outside guys in that. It was really a a running attack with kiddle and this is still a that plays in a super bowl. But I still. I think it's fair to have more questions about Garoppolo I actually. He may have answered a lot of my questions. Where I think it's like okay. He's all right but I don't know if he's going to be the superstar that maybe people thought he would be especially with what was a misleading won loss record in the beginning of his career. I think you're right. I think we know Jimmy Garoppolo. I do like the idea that he hasn't played enough. He's twenty nine hundred. He's just the taste. West Coast Haysom Hill. Just twenty nine and we still don't know what it is now tastes them might be the single most overrated player in the entire league. I agree with that I mean. That's it's really amazing to see how this developed over the past couple of months it would for taste them. Hill is a good change of pace to. We're going to give taste hill. Ten million dollars guaranteed to taste. Some hill is the future. He's pushing drew. Brees I have is this like is this like a bit from Sean Payton. Did you see how far this can go if he keeps leaking? Can he get Tatum Hill? Top Ten quarterback list is that what he's doing he's canceled the offseason. We know that he's canceled the off season. They're not gonNA Emily Zoom stuff and it seems to me Sean. Payton's entire goal. This off season is to get tastes them. Hill as much ludicrous. Buzz as possible. Well let's working. It's absolute working and I'm not even anti the taste in hill plates. Like okay. Cool. This is kind of fun. Look how creative they are. This guy can do a lot of different things. But I don't know that ever been. Somebody regarded this high done their job. As little as he has this would be like saying somebody's the next Truman capote because he had a nice paragraph. That's that is a good way to put it all right back to Garoppolo. So his dead cap goes to two point. Eight million dollars in twenty twenty one His cabinets or twenty six twenty six and twenty seven the next three years I think Jimmy Garoppolo is pretty good and I think that if they don't they're not up against it with the cap even though obviously some of the moves they made show that they have not as much flexibilities. They used to have member. They they gave him Forty one million dollars in cash beginning of this contractors to smooth out the the cap but twenty six and twenty seven. It's still a big number. I think that there's an argument to just say that. He's he's pretty good. Let's just keep things afloat if they wanted to get aggressive. Listen Kyle Shanahan has been able to make a lot of good quarterbacks at it will make a lot of crappy quarterbacks in a good and he's obviously had turned good quarterbacks and great quarterback Matt Ryan. Mvp Year but if anybody can do the plug and play system anybody in the NFL into the plug and play system and say we're GONNA take a guy in the first three rounds we're GonNa pay him peanuts and then we're going to trade him in for years. If anybody can do for next twenty years I would bet it's cal Shanahan right. Yeah I I don't have a problem with that look at worked like. I can't be too critical of it. Because the way it was designed in they were they were in it. I mean the chance to win a super bowl but it would have felt really weird to have to do this like I just don't like having to do that. We like no. You can't criticize Jimmy because it worked. They want super bowl like no no. I'm not. I'm not saying sucks. I'm just saying that their ceiling is lower than what was once thought for him. I agree but I I still like the way that offense work. I still think that I'm going to trust collar. Shanahan On this one and I think that if he wants to get ruthless at some point he can but I also think that they're they're doing pretty well and again. This is a continuity year. I would not be surprised if they won the NFC again. More with Kevin especially on some of the concerns about what you could be doing here salary cap wise or some of these top quarterbacks because we could have some problems and something. I WanNa talk about him before. Do that though during this time of social distancing connecting with friends over beer today looks pretty different as the original light. Beer Miller lite is always been there to bring people together in real life through Miller Time Miller. Time is a moment for people to come together in real life to connect over a few beers but having Miller time is top. 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How do you bring in all the Smith and not care of your quarterback like well? Why did you say you think yes? Do you think they're perhaps entirely different negotiations? I can't believe they gave all Smith. One hundred and sixty million dollars guaranteed. I thought that was a little much. But Listen Jerry knows what he's doing. Jerry loves those edge guys which I don't even really want to do a ton ondeck but now that we're hearing the numbers that he wants to reach how could actually the pandemic maybe change what he can even get. Because that's that's something that we haven't even touched on yet because both for the NFL and the NBA. There be some really weird stuff going on with what Max players would be in the. Nfl doesn't have Max players in the same way guys do but the quarterback essentially becomes your Max Guy And the Max is essentially negotiated by whoever whatever elite quarterback silent exciting extension most recently. So right now. It's around thirty six because of Russell. Wilson and Jared. Goff was nine elite but got money. Okay so the pandemic and the salary cap is probably the story. We're not talking about And we need to be. But I also think there's so many variables that it's hard to discuss with any real certainty. The cat this year's one hundred ninety eight point two and there's going to be a slight spike next year it's risen A ten million dollars or more every swing thirteen and I think that with the new. Cba there will be some smoothing on like the NBA. But I think that there will be a I think that the effects of the the the minimums go up and the CAP is still tied to revenue. And if there's no crowds this year and if the TV deals out they thought they'd be and if you don't get the same merch because stores are closed all of this stuff. I think that there could be a very real revenue shortfall and then the cap either stays flat which obviously was a near disaster a couple of years ago in the NBA when when The finals wasn't very long and it was revenue shortfall. Or there's there's a real drop in which case it would be financial ice age for teams And I don't know what would happen in that regard. I think that there has to be you know. I saw a couple of stories that were like man. The Eagles the falcons are capped out. You don't WanNa be them next year if there's a drop of let's say twenty or thirty million dollars in salary cap the NFL would have to make massive changes. It would not be. Oh you're capped out you're screwed. Every team would be capped out. They'd have to have bail it after amnesty provision they might have to just have uncapped years and just say hey guys just figure it out. I would have to be a complete overhaul of the financial system in football if the CAP were to go down. Twenty thirty million dollars. Because there's no team who operates in any in any efficient way even. Has You know thirty million dollars in cap space lying around when they're trying to win okay. There are obviously teams from year to year. Now how does the Dak contract stemmed from there? I don't know if I'm Patrick Mahomes. Do I just try to take a deal right now? Knowing that this might happen to I try to take forty million dollars a year over the next four years. Maybe it's all guaranteed on know because I have so much leverage And then I think once the Watson and Mahomes are signed DAX DAX deal goes up but I also think that look generally this might become a kirk cousins thing this might become. Dak playing out the franchise tag and getting there and there might not be that much money for them. If the pandemic release closed cap down like we think Alber had this amazing nugget that I just cannot get over. Which is Stephen? Jones comes out and says that no twenty million dollar quarter earnings. There isn't a good track record for highly paid. Quarterbacks went in the Super Bowl. That's correct okay. there's been eight years of players making twenty million dollars a year in the NFL and only one player has made twenty million dollars a year and won the Super Bowl. But you know it was one player. Twenty million a year on the Super Bowl It's the last eight years I guess Brady would have been south of it Von Miller on Miller now extension was after the Super Bowl. Frank Clark Frank Clark. So that wasn't as average annual salary though. Is that his number one year I mean. Frank Clark's pretty close to pretty close to twenty a year. I mean he that negative extension. He got five years hundred and four. But yeah okay. I think that that goes to show you that. We look at the wrong thing. Sometimes with quarterbacks I mean similar there have been some awful contracts on some of these super bowl teams. Okay and I think we look at salary cap efficiency. You know that stuff and we probably focus in the wrong things back. Prescott forty million dollars a year and the CAP keeps growing. You're still GONNA be able to win the super bowl as long as Dak. Prescott plays a forty million dollars a year guy. I think that we review every move in a vacuum would do this in the NBA. To and I think that we we were so folks who wins the dealer. Whatever listen I I think it how much you pay. A quarterback now has become overrated. Once they get to the veteran stage of their career. I completely agree on this. I think it's a really nice thing where you can say. Hey here's the argument for doing this. And I don't even know of Jones is doing it negotiate publicly because I'd her Dak as we'd said last fall and has been confirmed now multiple places that he turned down a massive number when it was thirty five year over one hundred million guaranteed Dallas. All right. Okay well so this isn't like Dallas doesn't think back is good. It's just okay. How far can we go here? First of all the front office is to get a ten million dollar bump every year and I've gone over a two to say the caps gone up seventy million in seven years here essentially. That's that's an amazing thing to have especially when you can renegotiate the stuff in ways the NBA can't even do it so you can even move stuff around like when you're screwed in the capital MBA. There's no fix the NFL. You can find ways to go ahead and fix this. And you're getting ten million bump every single time and I remember baseball for really longtime had this thing where there had been no one. I don't know if it was leading the League in home runs or over. Forty home runs for a guy in your lineup. Were No team had won a world series in over a decade with like a big home. Run Guy so then it becomes a wait a minute. Does this mean you don't WanNa have a home run guy against gets what? Just go go all in on one. Pierre yes right you don't want homerun guys. We need more guys like Eckstein at the top of the lineup and it just was something that happened. And it's the same thing with the big time receivers like the last time. One of these diva big time. Receivers well yeah. If David tyree doesn't catch the ball then Randy Moss would have won a super bowl and you know there there. Are these things that happened that yes this is happening? And yes. This is a way to describe it. But I'm in complete agreement with you that it doesn't necessarily always make it law though and there's a cap cork that no two players who've who've combined to make over twenty one point eight percent of team salary cap of everyone super bowl and I believe that the only guy who had who approach that number of the twenty one percent number Steve Young and Jerry Rice but the problem with that argument and do think that spending wisely is extremely important but Matt Ryan and Julio Jones over that number and they were up twenty five points in the Super Bowl and they didn't lose the Super Bowl that twenty five point lead because of their cap management. Like it's just when you're dealing with only super bowl winners. It's small sample sizes exactly and the Garoppolo number is always been like that number that it was cash number coming home in the beginning of that extension. You're like what are you guys doing? And they were frontloading it. I've been over this thing a million times. Same thing with the way they redid off in Goff was close and I don't know did. Goff was often in the super bowl the first year of his extension or is that before the first year kicked in it was after he was still under. Rookie deal is still on the related I because he was eligible for an extension during the playoff run. I remember talking to Kevin Demo without that super bowl and that's right because then. They said the way he handled the loss in the press. Conference is the reason why they knew they could pay him all the money and I was like. That's an. That's an amazing reason to go like. I handled himself real well after loss. Thirty six million a year Look at Seattle. Who did has done a great job? Throughout all this Percy Harvard the assets they gave up for Percy Harbin and he's a complete non factor for the most part. I mean a couple place here and there but everybody that always is like. Oh the Percy harvesting thing all right last little thing here before I let you go Kevin. Because you mentioned Shawn Watson who likely will take the money but as we said on this podcast back in the fall. We knew bill. O'brien in Hopkins weren't exactly on the same page. I don't know how much better relationship between Watts Watson. And O'Brien is it's just that O'Brien I assume realize. He can't be the same way with star quarterback that he can. I still can't believe what he did with Hopkins but he can't get away with that with Watson so they may be together despite not. I don't know how far I can go with this but I. I don't think that relationship is all that great either is is what safely say yes. I'm agreeing with you. I don't think that I think they have to learn to live together because I don't think that either of them are going anywhere It is really hard for a superstar quarterback to get to get two free agency or force a trade in fact it's basically impossible on there's no incentive for Houston to not. Sign him to a mega extension. There's no incentive quite frankly for for wants and not to take take the money and try to make the best out of your situation It is with three franchise tags on the table An years left on your contract. It's it's just nearly impossible bill. O'brien is has a lot of power in that organization. And you know it was funny. We did on our show. We did a a prop show last week. And we're looking at first coach fired and Bill. O'brien is like third or fourth on a betting. Odds that's crazy he's the GM you can't fire a GM coach in week four. I mean he is entrench there and part of that is they wanted to give him ownership of the results and all that stuff Jack Easterby. He's got some power. I think. Bill O'Brien is a much much much better coach than we give him credit for now like. I think that that's part of that. Won't because he such a bad. Gm We now throwing the out with the bathwater and we say sucks everything. I don't think that's necessarily true. I think Bill O'Brien's a pretty good coach. I think he's he's not handling things. Well as far as the Hopkins thing could have been smoothed out. And by the way if you hadn't if you were looking for a destination for deandre Hopkins. Why would you train them to a place? That's going to light them up offensively for David. Johnson. I heard Bookie Brooks say this on on the movie sticks Pot Pot. I love that part of the reasoning. He thinks that David Johnson was because in that division Derrick Henry and and there's just a lot of bulk and power and you're gonNA need that running back well there's a lot of guys better than David. Johnson you'd have to trade deandre Hopkins for I understand where he's coming from and I think that by the way that's one thing we don't talk about enough as far as Cote as much as we all sit around talking about assets and all this stuff coaches are still talking about toughness and competitiveness and you know out toughing and stuff like that and I think that's why we talked a little bit last night about teams that had good seasons or whatever when when coaches talk about having good all seasons versus the media. They're usually two very different conversations and I think that the team like the Texans looked at their off season instead of saying let's get assets like like the media probably thanks we talk about what the NBA they were talking about refining their style. Play and for some reason dot David Johnson needed to be a part of that. I completely disagree But it's don't know man whatever's going on with the Houston Front Office needs to stop or else it's going to be bad for both O'Brien and an Watson. Social media is totally. Turned O'Brien to the point where he's probably perceived as worse When one of my things the counter the bill O'Brien stuff that he's the worst coach ever is it how come. He's always still in the playoff vs isis back. You know good coach badge. Jim Yep Last thing because I knew I'm keeping you longer than I promised Kevin. But your piece up on the ringer right now. You really enjoyed the golf with Mickelson Woods Manning and Brady I like your line when you were like. Let's have this week next week. Let's have it Monday. What was it about it? That at least is was it the quarantine or was it the product. It was a little bit of both. I would say so. I've watched every single sport. That's comeback and the. The vein have watched Korean baseball. I thought Karl Ravitch's did a nice job filling a rain delay from his home by the way. We didn't talk enough about that. Ninety minutes of Carl ravished filling time all right so I think that I I've watched every I the event I enjoyed most before. This was forty nine and part of the reason for that was because the broadcast was so good Cormet are spotify colleague. Joe Rogan. Your your former cal. Radio Colleague John. I believe right. Yeah my guy. Yeah Roman close and they were so energetic and we're good passionate standards for the crowd you know doing the things they normally do but it just seemed like a more full event you could hear the corner men. You could hear all these things you could hear you know. I the funniest point where there was made. I think the third you have event was the guys were not rushing back from getting hit the private parts because there was no crowd to Egged him back on so they would take more of the five minutes allotted if you could hit in the private parts anyway I think that that without crowds. You're going to need some passion and ended up happening on Sunday. I thought was. We saw. What a good replacement for no galleries and no crowds is which is was gentleman trash talk. Which has guys really caring? Miked up reacting to everything the minutia of at all if there's no crowds at the wide world of sports at Disney yet every single benches miked up and you can hear if someone James Harden is trying to draw foul and the five guys against him just starts screaming at him. I WanNa hear that and I want to hear on edited and if it's empty arenas they can have it on a forty five second delay. Get out anything. That would be bad. I've heard from people who work in the NFL actually heard this from somebody worked in the NHL that. If you've got unedited raw feed of what happened on the court or ice or field of play that it might just be a national scandal but I think you can work that out and I think these guys will know their miked up but I think that generally when I when I saw Sunday was a blueprint for how sports can return. And that means almost unfettered access. That means guys were candid and when they're struggling. There's a camera on them. Microphone on them seeing. Tom Brady just absolutely suck. Will everybody roasted him and him turning around was amazing so I just. It was not just that I enjoyed it. It's that if networks and the League's watch that and take the right lessons from it. That's how sports and come back. And be entertaining. I'd love to see it happen. I just don't know that they can. I think it would be bad and then it would turn into all of these arguments that we'd have on these talk shows being like. Is it okay that another man can talk to a man like this it his place of work? And you're like okay. Well their jobs a little different than most of ours and I. I don't know if I have this right but I know at least on the radio. Side your delay if you have a couple squares then you run out a delay until you you get it back. No I remember I had a guest on or I think it was a co host. And he just didn't realize like which words you could or couldn't say he was filling in and was like whoa. This guy's just swearing when we're doing the radio show and then the word. No he was was kind of like he was saying like anatomy on. Yeah Yeah just say now. I wanted to because always sometimes forget but then I swear with I swear. More with bill than do on my own. Sometimes I'll say like the effort wants and for whatever reason like I'm not doing it now. But he was saying he was like. Oh that guy's whatever and at my producers like hey dude we've had dumped him twice like we're out of the delay soon if he does want more like we may not be able to catch it so I don't know I don't want to say I know for certain but I do think there's a technical part of it. Where if you had a bunch of instances in a row the then. I don't know that you'd be able to dump out of this stuff all the time like that's kind of why it exists because the one slip up thing so if guys started calling you show they're all sorts of shit there you go Might be there might be a technical problem on the broadcast because you wouldn't be able to consistently keep dumping out of it. I don't I don't know if I'm right on that but I know at least for radio was a problem. That's interesting that came up so I can say more research. Yeah I could have not said anything and done more research but I figured I want to be as research because research and stuff. I my my concern. Is that the network. See this and their impulses like Oh let's just put tweets on the screen and nothing else changes and it just sounds. Cavernous Andy announcers can't bring the energy. I think that there's a there's a bridge to a it was in the the blessed is not celebrities. The lesson is not charity or whatever all of those things worked but what really worked was just energy and the passion which I think you can. You can document like the reason. We liked that event on Sunday because we got to see the personalities as they were everybody was themselves. Nobody was playing character. Phil was pure Phil. Tiger was pure tiger. People like Brady and manning the last time they played the champ game they got like sixty million viewers right like so people just like seeing those guys ner element I think if the NBA or NHL or baseball can bring that like if you Mike Up Mike Trout. He's not going to be Mr Personality from what I gather but he can be the best version of Mike Trout. He can be which is going to be entertaining. People like authenticity and genuine reaction. The best thing for me when I watched the World Series. I don't really care about baseball. Is seeing the dugout after a huge home run and the guys are going crazy with each other and you can. You can bring a extra layer of access to where you're not only seeing that camera thing you're seeing. What did they say to each other? Afterwards and I understand the delay part of it and all that stuff but at some point leagues you say listen. This is how we get people to watch that. We get the casual fan to watch. You can check out. Kevin with maize ruts Robert. Mays Danny Kelly on the ringer. Nfl show hit that. Subscribe Button and check that one out and you can also follow Kevin. It's at by Kevin Clarke. I know you have a big slow news days one of the best things. Anyone does at Ringer and I've been on it a couple of times guys have a big one coming up here soon. We do. We have an NFL player. Coming on. It's it's it's coming out next week I'll say that. Oh can't even say all right. It's a big I can't I can't and I will say I will say he's definitely in the running to be more famous than you as a slow news day. Guess I feel good about my appearances but you are. You're a legend. I appreciate I went. I went on Munich. Podcast a couple of weeks ago and she was talking about Slow News Day and she was she was in the rotation accidentally said that you were my favorite guests and I kind of blacked out and forgot that I was talking to another frequent guest and There's not a lot you can do in that spot. Well hopefully some people start complementing meet on social media because you know. I don't know that she's been supported. He's amazing she's made. Everybody stabs her so she can. She can handle being ranked number two slow news day. She s okay. Thanks and The guest tomorrow will be definitely in the running to be just as famous as you guys. All right sounds good Kevin. 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"The following podcast contains explicit language. Hi, this is Josh Levin. And this is slates sports podcast hang up and listen for the week of March eighteenth two thousand eighteen on this week show. We'll talk about the field for this year's NCAA tournament and Zion Williamson's pretty damn impressive return to the floor for your Duke. Blue devils will also discuss operation varsity blues, the amazing college admission scandal named after a movie that I have never seen and we will assess the giants moved to trade Oto Beckham junior to the Browns the Steelers dealing Antonio Brown to the raiders and the hot new trend of dead money and the NFL here with me in our Washington DC studios. My co-host Stephan fats, s author of the books word freak and a few seconds of panic. Hello stephan. Hi, Josh twenty million dollars of dead money for enough for Steph and fats twenty million dollars of dead money lying around the money, the dead presidents for for seven. It's killing us killing the franchise. Joining us from New York this week. It's our colleague Ben Mathis Lilley, whose parents paid five hundred thousand dollars for him to be on the show today. Hello bench, guys. Are you saying are you questioning my my background had squash? And crew. Look, your your parents, you know, they sent in a photo of you with a microphone just, you know, showing your qualifications to to speak on a recording except the microphone was like twenty feet over your head. It seemed like very badly Photoshop, but but Ben's credentials. He was captain of the travel podcast club at his elite Michigan High School from what I understand. I'm an only qualified on Sunday night. The selection committee released the names and seeds for the sixty eight teams in this year's men's basketball tournament a process that CBS should be commended for handling less annoyingly than in years past so eight ago CBS Duke as the tournament's top overall seed, and we'll get to them in a bit while Ginza and two other ACC teams Virginia North Carolina or your other three number one seeds at the other end of the pool are Belmont. Plus temple Saint John's in Arizona state there. The participants in this year's playing games on Tuesday and Wednesday while the middling major conference teams like North Carolina State, Clemson, Indiana, and TCU all got left out, my spiel on this has always been and continues to be that if the idea is to include the best teams in the tournament and make sense to include the likes of Belmont, which has done really well against a weaker schedule. Because. We don't know yet. If they're one of the best teams in the country and the tournament is a good way to find out. Whereas we already know what we have in for instance, North Carolina State, which went one eight against the teams in its conference day. See see that made the tournament field. Stephan. There is a big change in how NCA evaluates teams they went from the RPI to the net, which I talked a little bit about last week. It seems like based on these selections they didn't necessarily stick to going with the net because Clemson an NC state. Both have really good rankings thirty three and thirty five while Belmont temple Arizona, and Saint John's all are worse. So do we have a sense of what the criteria were? I think what we have a sense of is that they didn't here strictly as you said to the net. But what they did do is look at how those teams with lower net ratings did against what were they calling them. Quad one wins. How many quad one wins? Wins against teams in the top four tile of division one basketball, and that seems like a reasonable criterion to me, I mean, it seems like the want some flexibility, you don't want it to just be by the ranking numbers. It gives them some leeway to let in a Belmont Belmont deserve to be on. But to let in teams that might be lower in one rating, then another but did show that they have the ability to beat better teams, which is what you want in the tournament. You want teams that have the ability to beat better teams because most of these at large teams are going to be seated in the bottom half of the bracket. Whether it was a big whether it was a sea change. It certainly didn't seem like that. There were seven non power conference. At large bids this year that wasn't an outrageous number. There were ten in two thousand fourteen. So maybe there was some change in the metrics on the conversation in the room of the seeding committee. But overall, I don't didn't seem like a gigantic. Switch to me. There's like always this conversation. Ben about how. More kind of morally correct to let in the smaller teams that it just makes us all feel better about the tournament. It's more fun about ourselves. Do you? Do you sign onto that? Well, I would disagree that morality is. Whatever makes us feel better about ourselves. I I would I would maybe quibble with that definition. But yeah, oh, girl. I do agree overall. I'm definitely a more drama more upsets more fun person given that at the at the margins that we're talking about and given that basically Duke or North Carolina wins every year. Anyway, you know, this is not not gonna leave out at teen had a serious chance of of winning. You know? The big major teams are gonna are gonna be fine. They're not gonna they're not really. They're not gonna suffer that much for missing out. As I was saying in my introductory comment. Like, there is a chance that a team like Wofford, which, you know, got seven see they were not a bid team or somebody like buffalo or Nevada. These lower tier teams that I'd really good seasons. We have recent evidence that indicates that a team like that can go to the final four whether it's VCU or Wichita state or Butler, or George, George Mason. I'm probably like leaving somehow Loyola Chicago from last year. Whereas there's no evidence that a team with a profile of like an NC state or Clemson that has a, you know, shitty record and a major conference and has all of these chances to be good teams and loses every one of them, but has a good strength of schedule. And maybe good, you know, better efficiency rankings. There really is no evidence that a team like that can perform really well and the tournament. So it's not just oh like it's more fun with the little guys. That actually seems supported by the big data of the NCAA tournament. Well, that's a psychological factor. I mean, you don't have you don't see like a beloved none at at those bigger schools. You know, like you you don't have that kind of like inspiring mascot run in it. You know, maybe that's maybe that's what they're lacking. Fair enough NC state needs more nuns that could help close the gap on some of the better teams and programs. And they see I mean, the this debate is a little bit as you said Bannon's kind of teams that are on the margins that doesn't necessarily affect who ends that Herman. I do find it. Interesting philosophically, though, Mark Tracy wrote about this a bet and the times Stefan about the concept of who's most deserving versus who's the best. I think more interesting way to frame it. Maybe is the question of whether you should use metrics like Ken Pomerai's that are more predictive. So. You know, if you look at wins and losses that's actually a worse way to you know, before looking and think about who's going to win a game in the future. It's better to look at things like adjusted scoring margin, and a fish and say or does actually make sense to if you're a rewarding teams in body of work for a season. Does it actually make more sense to look at teams that won close games that have more wins? Because you know, what we're not evaluating if we look at it season. Like if a team loses a huge number of games. But has good efficiency. That's not really what playing games as opposed to determine, you know. Yeah. I think it's important that team's win the close games that they play in. Right. I mean like. They will let you know. I mean, it's one thing to be competitive in the regular season and lose a lot of close games. But you should be should be evaluating teams based on something just be officiency. But, you know, quote, unquote, smart people will say that, you know, even like Jay Bilas. He's not the most analytically minded person. You know, a lot of the conversation on Sunday. It was like, oh, so you think that Duke is so much better than North Carolina because of North Carolina had made that shot at the end. They would have won the game same with Kentucky and Tennessee. And I think that's that's rate. Like if you win by one point, it doesn't necessarily mean you're a better team. But it's still like winning matters there, and there is like a kind of tension there and one that like analytically minded people are going to be less inclined to say that just because you wanna game by one point that doesn't mean we should give you think you're better give you preferential treatment. What you you brought up in the intro is true. Also that one of the I mean. You know, the unique thing about about NCAA men's basketball is the number of teams that you are able to get to the tournament and the strength of schedule adjustments in those officiency ratings are, you know, that's a model. That's not you know, they don't have perfect information. So I actually agree. You know, I have not, you know, I am not I haven't gotten into the nuts and bolts of the strength of schedule modeling like myself. But certainly like there's some unknowns in there that you're figuring out by having these might like, you know, minor conference teams play in the tournament. So I think there's a value to that. I mean, I think you can make an argument even even from that kind of analytical perspective that yeah, you wanna see, you know, this this tournament is in part about seeing, you know, whether these models work like are these conferences, you know, which which conferences are actually are better. Which of these small conference teams actually will will prove themselves even though they didn't weren't able to accumulate a, you know, a high strength schedule ranking because of because of their. Situation. But one of the things that the committee did to vary explicitly was give some of these small conference teams much higher ceilings than I think we would have expected in previous years. I mean Wofford, you said was a seven seed buffalo got a six seed. I watched the end of their conference championship game. Okay. Like zone in the tournament. Lists the German last year. But I wasn't like looking at them going. Oh, they're gonna they're gonna make. They're going to be this year's Loyola. So I think that was an interesting change. I mean, I don't know whether that is a change, you know, statistically analytically. But it's sure feels like one I mean. Yeah. Wofford's won twenty games in a row, and they're going to be the classic mid major team that everyone says who watch out for a while for don't sleep on Wofford. They won twenty in a row that could win another six. But the fact that the committee rewarded them rather than dissing them for who they are. And what their name is. It's pretty interesting. It just has seemed like such a classic cell phone by the NCAA in the committee for the last like many years because this is the reason that people people watch the tournament of big reason is because you want those Cinderella teams early. And then you wanna watch Duke and North Carolina at the end, plus the like mid majors and real teams are better than than these like shitty major conference teams. And so it seems like they're commercial reasons to do it their actual competitive reasons to do it, and the reason not to do it or because the NCAA is like owned essentially are captured by the major conferences. And so it's a good step. I mean, it just seems obvious for philosophical reasons that if you're talking about these quote, one games like you want the team like Belmont, that's two and two against quad one teams versus Clemson. That's one ten right? Let's just seems obvious to me. I let's move on. Onto Duke and Zion. Williamson came back after missing a bunch of games with his famous shoe explosion knee injury from a couple of weeks ago in his first game back against Syracuse. He went thirteen of thirteen from the field guy. So fucking good. It's crazy. It makes me insane. How good he has. And then after the game. And after all these games the nasc- tournament Duke won the title. He said the things that defenders of the NCAA system say, you know, I knew I was coming back. These are my brothers. I wouldn't have you know, left them to play these games on on their own. I wanted to come back sooner. I cried when I couldn't play against UNC because the game meant that much to me as we discussed on this program while ago, I'm actually sympathetic that position. We know what you think Stephan. But let's hear from Ben the not let me just say I was not disappointed that I got to watch on race and play against North Carolina. Are you are human? But Ben, what did you think of ions performance and they seize tournament? And what he said about you know, how it felt to be back on the floor. Well, first of all I I mean, he shot a disappointing seven for eleven in the final. So I think we have to think we have to ask if science in a slump. So maybe that could be a storyline heading into terminate miss. He missed four entire shots in the in the final game there. I I generally come down on your side of things, you know, I I would like to see a world in which in which saw Williamson, you know, is able to benefit from from the Nike shoes that have gotten so much exposure do to him this year. I don't I have no problem with that. But I also, you know, as I'm a college sports fan. And I think there is something distinct about the college sports experience for fans for players that is worth preserving end. So it actually, yeah. I may get it. It makes me, you know, it makes me wanna root for someone. When when it seems like an athlete shares that kind of feeling about the about the at the atmosphere in eating so college sports. So that always that. I always always enjoy seeing quotes like that. Stephan is marking. Zayn Williamson's relationship with Duke is so powerful. I mean, these past four months have been amazing for him. I mean, the loyalty there is incredible. Look, I'm not discounting. The fact that Zion Lewisham does feel some loyalty to do. Just that shoshefsky has brought in there. She has given them the opportunity to perform and make himself a number one draft pick. Well, giving any credit to chef ski, but just the virtue of the system that by virtue of the system that exists Zion. Williamson is position better in this current system to become the number one draft pick in the NBA in in the early summer. Well, I think that's kind of a false premise because there is this micro trend of starting with. Well, actually starting with the fab five with Michigan of but really call a pari institutionalizing, but of these like recruiting classes coming in and trae Jones, the Duke point guard was actually the one who's Zion and RJ Barrett credit with like putting the class together. And so the loyalty chat the loyalty that I think he feels is towards his quote unquote brothers and not wanting to let them down. Then you could probably talk about this personally with Michigan. But I do think it's interesting that you know, these guys are not. The first order of business for them Nutting isn't necessarily like to play for the team on the front of the jersey. Although there is some aspect of that. But just this notion of like taking advantage of the system to like put together a group do what you wanna do. And then all leave together. Yeah. I mean that that is you know, what do has to offer. Now, I think this is a article G Q is as much the kind of it's an alumni network of NBA elite NBA players. So what these guys see themselves as being connected to is. You know, maybe not necessarily. You know, the rich academic tradition or the the social life on campus. But they see Duke as kind of a in the way that calbury has set up Kentucky as elite Rubin ground training training camp for future NBA players. And so that's kind of how these these tops top schools have have transitioned in the one and done era is because they they need they do need to sell themselves. Even if you're I would not be surprised if the money was changing hands here. But like, there are a lot of places that cannot you money. And so they have you know. So there has there has to be something beyond that in what what do has done. And what that that comment by Jones in those guys comments speak to is the way that the the way that these kind of schools are are trying to brand themselves in this under these kind of strange set of rules almost clear. The Duke hasn't done a whole lot of piggyback off of what John Calipari saw at Kentucky. Lucky in how he implemented this and basically sanctioned it he basically told these basketball players that it is okay for you to do this. They've just added like a couple of barrels full of sanctimony. Yeah. Totally and what the players in to their credit. What they have done is basically mimicked what NBA players started doing ten years ago and banding together and exerting whatever agency they can exert in college basketball. Of course that agency is rather limited. But at least they're exerting something I thought it was really interesting when CBS interviewed Calipari on the selection show brunches jerseys behind they weren't Kentucky jerseys. They look like US national team jerseys of players that had played for him at Kentucky. So the message there is not old school tie. It's here's what you can do if you come to Kentucky you can go on to play for the US national team in the Olympics and make a boatload of money in the. NBA? All right. Let's end by talking about some first round matchups Murray state and Marquette is kind of everybody's pick for the best game. We didn't mention yet Murray state as one of the smaller conference teams they on the an auto bed there in the same conferences Belmont. And they've got Josh Miranda. Who's going to be if not the number two pick binds ion probably the number three pick behind Zion. RJ Barrett from Duke and Marquette has Marcus Howard his five eleven guy who has had forty five or more points in a game three times this year. So that'll be and I believe they're the number one and two scoring leaders in the NCAA this year. So watch that game on Thursday afternoon. If you can. Should we talk about Yellen LSU or bad? I I don't know if we need to spend much time on Michigan and Montana, the rematch that no one in America wanted we could skip that one. I personally I'm more interested in Alliston in any oh myself, Dan, Wetzel of Yahoo tweeted the contrast between LSU the coach being caught on the FBI wiretap saying he was he had made a strong ass offer to one of its players and yell offering or yell getting one point two million dollars for a fake women's soccer player. It's good to see the streams being crossed in this way. The two the two scandals I've excited altogether. At once which does make me wonder in arranging these matchups if the NCAA was trying to troll itself. I mean, how what better way to draw attention to how fucked up college sports are than to have two schools at the center of ridiculous scandals. But very typical. Type scandals a lot of money potentially changing hands and a lot of money definitely changing him. What way to focus the lead writing abilities of every basketball writer in the country. Counterargument there is that they put the game on it twelve forty on Thursday on TRU TV so trying to vary game if they wanted to hide it, then then that's what they would have done. I mean, I pointed this out immediately. But like the theory that there is some kind of like, raw rye or or troll factor going on here. I think it's pretty strongly proven by the next game on the east bracket, which is Louisville Minnesota, which is Rick Tinos for a team against is son Richard Patino team in that game will be taken place at the at the same time as it's like first game in the tournament. So I feel like you cannot possibly make that game. The first game of the tournament without having some kind of six of humor about it. What I love though. About the yellow issue game. Is it gives the opportunity for pundits to do their Ivy league thing every year who this is the upset in the making Yale a lot of seniors out LSU's reeling from scandal. How come every Ivy league team has five senior starters every year? How's the possible? It just seems seems like it shouldn't be the case. John Feinstein and the Washington Post already has Yale penned into play the beneficiary of such an upset Maryland. Well, that is that is our John Feinstein Oya of the of the show on sponsored by no one. Before we get to our conversation about the college admissions scandal, I wanted to let you know at the dinner bonus segment for sleep plus members. We're gonna talk about ESPN's list of the world's one hundred most famous athletes. 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The wiretaps in the college admissions bribery scandal captured this conversation between Williams singer who ran the criminal enterprise and a private equity executive named William mcglashan about what sport they would pretend that mcglashan some played to get him into US see of all schools playing the role of William singer, Josh Levin, and I'll be playing the role of William mcglashan. Josh. Well, I had a boy last year. I made him along, snapper. I love it. He was one hundred forty five pounds long, snapper. I love it. I love it. That is so funny. This reminded me of an Email conversation between a music producer and another person who got into college the old fashioned way because his father donated a lot of money to the school that was Donald Trump junior. The crown prosecutor of Russia offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father, the producer. Wrote Donald Trump junior replied, if it's what you say. I love it. I love it. I really hope I'm the first person to make this important connection in the world of Duffus entitled broS. Josh this story, of course, has it all movie stars had front broS Instagram influencers, the point one percent behaving even more crass crassly and morally than you thought possible and shot in Freud by the truckload. From our limited sports perspective, though, the fake kickers and water polo players and pole-vaulters with their faces photo shopped onto the bodies of actual athletes provided real new evidence of how truly messed up college sports are and that's my first take away our capacity for surprise is pretty drained these days in college sports as in life. But here we are Yale's women's soccer. Coach took a million dollars in bribes one point two million dollars to help get some assholes daughter into the school. I feel like it's against the law. Not to go to Ben I if Donald Trump junior's name is invoked it's like a Candyman situation. If you say Donald Trump junior's name three times bet he wrote about Trump junior's response to the emissions scandal last week. Yeah, he sent some like gloating. Tweet to Felicity Huffman. No, no, I'm Laurie Lafon. I was one of our one of our to one of the two stars of the experience. Yeah. Gloating about about how they had grabbed the schools get their kids in demonstrating a little bit of a lack of self awareness on his product knocking knocking? So there are a bunch of questions that we can ask about the emissions scandal. One thing I wanted to point out. I Nick green or colleague to post on this is I really want to commend the water polo coach at USC because you could argue and many people did that, you know, give. These slots and these sports teams for rich kids don't actually play the sports as wrong that it's bad. But this water polo coach Giovane Babich allegedly. Let's let's not forget the allegedly was giving up like a couple slots one slaughter year to players who didn't play water polo and would send Photoshop photos of themselves with, you know, twenty feet out of the water or whatever because they never played water polo. This dude was doing this like raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars a year one fifteen national championships. So it seems not to have compromised at all his ability to coach winning water polo teams like we praise coaches for doing a great job. With a limited roster can also be hard to coach stars this guy managed to succeed while like doing this side hustle. And I think that. It just shows that you know, he's the coach of the century and the Pac twelve or water polo. I mean what what more could you accomplish? It's amazing. It's an amazing run for Giovane. That's really all. All I have to say. There are also allegations that the Yale soccer coach to former players say he he got players on the team to to do his master's degree work for him to work on papers for him. So he kind of had it coming and going, which is is is maybe not as impressive, it's Giovane. But is is is must also be mentioned at LSU. We we write the papers for athletes at the athletes. Right. The papers for the coaches. But there are so many like big questions here that we can ask an try to answer one of the big ones. Stephan was should there be priority and athletic emissions at all added? A piece by Ben Strauss awhile ago about Wesleyan. This is not a D one school to d three school. But I think some of the same questions apply, and it was land something like twenty five percent of the slots in the freshman class. Go to, you know, incoming students who play sports and just doesn't make sense at all like to give preference to somebody who is good. I water polo or tennis or soccer. Because apparently, this is the thing where the administration's aren't like paying super close attention to whether these kids are actually playing sports, nobody seems take care or or notice. And so why are they there? In the first place. Well, they're there for the simple reason that has been out in that piece, Ben Strauss. It's affirmative action for white kids. This is how to get sort of less academically talented white athletes into school. And I'm sure there's some correlation between the loyalty that athletes give back to the university. Once they've left and succeeded in life and have some money to donate to athletics. Athletics are giant drivers of of donations to universities, and these kids are not on financial aid. Generally, they're willing to pay full price to go to these schools and play their sport of choice except in this case. They're not playing any sport. At all. I mean, Ben, there is an argument to be made that letting an athlete and. Is it gives the opportunities to you know, teenagers who wouldn't get the chance to play or sorry wouldn't get the chance to go to college. Otherwise that succeeding in a sport and in school shows organization and time management skills and just a commitment to a drive to succeed. I think there is a reasonable argument there. But I think the reasonable argument if I could interrupt Josh's that maybe there's reasonable argument for it to be made in the revenue generating sports in football and basketball, which are generally attracting students that historically have not had the opportunity to attend elite colleges and universities. The, you know, the question here is that and in most of these cases, look, I use the kicker long, snapper wiretaps in the intro. But a lot of these cases were these secondary Olympic sports. No, one would notice the admissions officers aren't going to check to see whether some kid actually is playing tennis at. Georgetown, or not they're just going to go along with it. And so we're talking about these preferences. Really? It's like do you really need to be making exceptions for squash players, or if a squash player knows that? Oh, they've got a squash team bet might be fun to do in Kentucky. So I can keep playing when I get there. Yeah. I mean, the example that comes at when when people talk about, you know, why SAT is not a perfect measurement of intellectual ability. The kind of the quintessential example something like this is a little cabbie. Larry question about a regatta. You know, if you're not coming from a background where you're around regattas. You might not know what that means in. It's not because you're dumb. It's because you didn't go to regattas in. So it's kind of appropriate that, you know, the sport that was that seemed like one of heavily involved in this with sailing. You know, obviously, I think it's Utah. I don't think you could buy in the abstract that, of course, someone who's successful in a in a sport. And also is a pretty good student that demonstrates something about them. But but also, obviously it is pretty difficult to be in the position to demonstrate that you're a good sailor in less you come from an affluent coastal background. So I I. The bias. Littoral coastal bias, you have to be next to a body of water. So I think it's you know, I like that's where the kind of like the abstract argument for it breaks down. It's like, of course, I mean, you know, most the people who are trying to get into to these schools or most the student high school students in America are not gonna have ever had the chance to demonstrate that they could, you know, get good grades in and sale. Same time. Can we just shout out to the Stanford sailing coach who was accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars to put in fix Ehlers because he didn't keep that money for himself? He wanted that money funneled to Stanford sailing program. Good man high level of morality there. This does provide some, you know, supporting evidence for my take from last week about all coaches being sociopath. So thank you to listen, you off men and Larry Lachlan for helping strengthen my take there. But you know, back to the -firmative action for white men point. It has always been gross one aspect of the grossness of NCA system is how the revenue generating sports of football and men's basketball in which like super majority of players are black are, you know, the revenue from those are funneled back end to these sports. You know, the the positive thing on it is that they're funneled to supporting a lot of women's sports. And that there are more opportunities for women to continue playing athletics than there were a generation ago. But you know, at this exposes is that a lot of that money. Gets funneled to things like sailing and squash and water polo and gives opportunities to you know, suburban white kids that have been playing that have been sailing playing squash and water polo since they were five years old because their parents have invested tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars into allowing them to do that. But Ben, I mean is there a risk here in? Us extrapolating wildly from a few outrageous examples, we do not have knowledge about how widespread this is. If this one scam was an outlier, or if the sorts of side doors and bribes are more common, like do you have any kind of sensor conjecture about whether it just doesn't feel like they're going to be that many, you know, muftis and Buffy as paying, you know, their their parents paying one point two million dollars to pretend that they're on the squash team. It's like, you know, I feel like, you know, legacies and endowing buildings. That's that's the thing that we're familiar with. But this like particular flavor of scam. I don't know how big a deal it is. Yeah. I mean, I think that it would be unbelievable if they're adapt. Many people get a five hundred thousand dollars. Bribes. And you know in Photoshop ING heads on onto water polo players. But I think one thing that that that this is his raised is just how lax as you mentioned the admissions department is here. I mean, they're not going back on cross-checking that these people who got these coveted coveted coveted slots even ended up on the teens. I mean that was surprising to me. I mean, what's the power, the coaches and athletic department officials have to dictate I mean with the water polo guy in particular is like, okay is the admissions office gonna tell the dude who on fifteen national championships that you know, maybe this kid who is lying about having played in Italy or whatever is not actually good enough. But the thing that is just indefensible is like not even checking to see if these recruits are playing not at some schools that does I think the Yale came apart a little bit because yelled did detect that one of these women was not playing and then at USC there was this was in the. In the complaint that at USC the one kid who was admitted falsely was confused while he why he was asked to attend like, the athlete induction the athlete hit wasn't told by his parents, right? Was asked to attend the athlete orientation session. He was like why am I going to that? I'm not an athlete, and then the, you know, frantic calls them, the the coach told the parents are just tell them. It was a mistake and don't go. And then telling the parent like no one's going to check. So that to me, you're right. And I mean, the lack of oversight is kind of stonning it's not that hard. You know, we're talking about a handful in the non in non football sports. Handful of slots that typically each coach is granted every year, the long snapper thing is anything related to football is so confusing. Right. I have no idea how this could happen because even fan, you know, fans like Ben, and I like we know who the long snappers are that Ellison Michigan. Yeah. Yeah. I I took it as an insult to kickers long snappers fresh got away with this is really insulting. Okay. Let's talk about how Phil Mickelson Joe Montana used the same fake nonprofit to assist their children with their academic careers. What did you make of the Mickelson and Montana appearances in the scandal? Ben I wanted I thing that really stood out to me. I was looking at the I think the deadspin article about this Joe Montana's Twitter handle is Joseph Montana, which is interesting to extra him to make an L Montana has always seemed like a fake name. He is at Joe Montana, though. He just uses Joseph that that made it even more wasn't because he couldn't get you know, Joe Montana. It was like he had at some point type any they had people out by people that know me on this on this social media service. I think I'll go by might, you know, my famous night famous name Joseph Montana. But I I again, I want to emphasize it as a society. Feel like we're too used to the fact that his name is Joe Montana like like if we estranged at a little bit and like his name is Joe, Idaho or Joe Wyoming. We would recognize weird to this Philip Mickelson's tweet, however about this. I thought was very interesting. He said that they're shocked by the revelation of these events, obviously, we would not we're not part of this fraud. Our kids would disown us if we ever goes to Brown, right? Yeah. I think so right. I mean that was Montana said something similar that. I think speaks to what we were just talking about Mr. singers company provided knocked me more than minimal consulting services to our family like so many other families. Yes. So many other families who who employ minimal consulting services to fill out their college application. I think that kind of tells you what kind of what kind of affluent space that this? This company was operating in. So the yell coach just before we got a four we leave here. Let's yeah. The fulcrum. Let's let's just remind people because this is this is truly amazing the L coach not only got bribes to allow these students end. He then got the students to write papers for him or were those separate students. Or is it the separate students? Those were just women that were on the soccer team. Got we use the smart talker players to write your papers in you. Use the dumb non soccer layers to buy your to buy your vacation home. You're not gonna like Hannah. That's. Abor? Sense. These coaches were the they're not dummies, I respect the hustle. I also like the fact that he was inducted into the Connecticut soccer hall of fame while visit was all going on while he was helping the government. Make this case. Are there enough candidates for the candidate soccer hall of fame that you could bypass the or otherwise would there be no into induct today's episode of hang up and listen to brought to you by capterra. We all have that friend who's the first one to try things whether they're super trendy or more of a Guinea pig when you're making a choice. 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And then that could be the the, plus I like franchise resetting trade. It's like the it's it's like your computers, like not working at all. And you Josh button back there. The giants just called the Commissioner's office like our franchises working there. Other the and Roger Goodell's like, just press control, delete. And it'll be working in five years when you draft Dwayne hot Haskins, some of my favorite ramifications of this trade were that cops in shaker heights. Ohio per the New York Post responded to a report of someone quote running up and down the street yelling and screaming at eight eighteen PM on Tuesday, concerned officers subsequently located a juvenile male in the street who told officer he was celebrating the Cleveland Browns, adding Odell Beckham junior to the team seemed like a reasonable response ban are pal. Kevin Clarke from the ringer tweeted that this trade events is a clear difference in philosophy. The Browns have figured out that having good players as good while the giants think having good players as bad. We will see who is right. We hit you. What do you think? Well, I blame I blame Bill Belichick for all of this IBM. It it feels like there was so many years in which the patriots were trading a person you'd heard of for a set of draft picks that didn't seem that high. And I think that kind of like rubbed off on the Dave settlements of the world who like we're just like the kind of popped into believing that like you trade someone for draft picks. You get to win the trade. It's like, no, they always say that Bill Bella check when the trade. So why didn't I get the win the tread? Well, this is running up to different Bella truck, plots fees. Here's there's also the philosophy of signing. For instance. Randy moss, the wide receiver who is going to be in the hall of fame is currently in the hall of fame was going to be in the hall of fame when the patriots got him, but is considered a prima Donna or a head case or annoying and Clark Kevin Clarke wrote this whole piece Stephan about how sort of like what? What Ben was saying that teams for whatever reason now are not appreciating good players enough. And that they think they're smart enough that they can you know, scheme their way to success without having great players. They think great players who too expensive. You know? I don't know what the rationale is. But I think the Oto vaccum trade, and the Tonio Brown trade are both evidence of, you know, whether you want to call it hubris, whatever you wanna call it of teams being like, we're gonna move on from these talented players, and are like brilliant. Organizational philosophy is going to lead us to success. I'm telling Brown trade is is a little bit murkier because he did want to renegotiate a contract. You didn't want a lot more money, but the Beckham on obviously makes no fucking sense on any level as Kevin Clark and others wrote. But we also note that in both cases, the Brown trade and the Beckham trade. What binds them together is that these trades made. Absolutely, no financial sense for these teams the NFL has salary cap. And both the Steelers on the giants were gonna end up having like twenty million dollars of cap space that they can't spend this year AK dead money because you know, that's money that was allocated to Brown and Beckham. And so not only are they losing out on having good players. They're losing out on being able to sign any players, and what I think to get back to your earlier point this reflects a little bit is the use of the word hubris, and it really is the sort of guiding philosophy of most NFL front offices, which is that we know better than the players. It is this sort of alternate disrespect to what the players do that. They are the creative force behind the games that they are the ones that generate plays. They are the ones that fans care about the arrogance that is embedded in to an. NFL management is that the guys in the ball caps and the khaki shorts. Standing on the sidelines are more powerful than the players on the field. And therefore the players are secondary. They're these interchangeable parts do coaches where bulk caps in khaki shorts. We both caps. Mostly are they gonna wear they mostly wear the same shorts that I guess the athletic shorts in training. Hello. Oh and the clipboard and the short see, I think. Pleats are out. Do we have any sympathy for the idea ban that? You know, there's like a workplace asshole issue. I mean, it seems like maybe there was more of an issue with Antonio Brown. And the fact the giants like claiming that Odell Beckham what was the both the, quote, we're in Jhang before we re recorded here. Ben associates sports net, New York that back in had become too much of a pain in the ass. But this is this is a good one. And there was a real fear that eventually it would get worse. Well, like, yeah. Well, like, yeah. Yeah. Sure. Like, there's a real fear that eventually anything could happen. The there was no eventually when it came to the roster. It is worse. Like wears the stuff about auto Beckham is. You know, he's seems like maybe a little bit weird. Oh enjoys having his photo taken who among us does that he like kissed the kicking net one time. But there's no his teammates all seem to like him kissing kicking not as appropriate and he works really hard with Brown. It seems like more of an edge case. He was you know, calling out his teammate like refused to play in a game last year when they were in playoff contention was instigating fights publicly that made it such that, you know, that they there you could argue that he forced their hands. So there has been other issues. Previously to there was some petty jealousy about juju Smith Schuster becoming a good player. I mean, there are issues there with him. But still juju jealousy, juju jealousy. But still he's like one of the five best players in the NFL. I mean, and this is what I think. We talked about this a little bit with the with the Kristaps Porzingis trade also is the kind of front offices have caught on to the idea that you can use that as an excuse not only that you can you can portray yourself as being savvy because you picked up X Y draft picks and assets. But that, you know, this idea of culture, like the, you know, the San Antonio Spurs came along and one for twenty years with different players in. It's all because what is it all because of his because of the culture, so you can kind of you see these team starting to use like lock group culture as an excuse for doing any dumb thing. Like, you know, kind of apotheosis of that is saying that they did it because maybe in the future Beckham would have been bad for the culture. Well, they were willing to give him ninety million dollars like several months earlier. It makes news, and you know, the notion that there is something intrinsically flawed with the personalities here. Also feels like that paternalistic bullshit that the NFL wants to project to make us. Look like, we're the good guys and the players are the bad guys here. Kevin Clark in that. Same piece talked about how he had watched both Beckham and Brown at practice and really paid attention to how they worked and he talked about like, you know, Brown spending more lot more time after practice catching balls thrown slung out of the jugs machine. And that Beckham when he hurt his right arm did everything left handed, including brushing his teeth. So that he could become a better brand had his own personal water guy, which is a nice touch. But I Don one second can our personal water guy. Come in now running. Oh Stephan is actually running a little bit low that is true to life. The thing that also connects the Beckham and porzingas deals Ben is that if the players were pissed at the franchise, and malcontents, it would be the franchises fault because those franchises are awful. And so the idea that like, oh, a player is like calling out the Knicks for being poorly run like how how Gary is like, oh, no. He actually has a brain is the reason that he would do that in a conflict with the Steelers, and there there's a little bit of a connection here between the Steelers and the giants is like the the organizations totally being controlled by Ben Roethlisberger and the giants just for God knows why just UI manning is still on that team with Rothlisberger. It kind of makes sense because for all that Rothlisberger is an asshole and problematic and in various ways, he's a good player. Still. And so. Of the talk about you know, rothlisburger being a terrible team and Rothlisberger not knowing anyone's name and refusing to like help the the new running backs and fumbling on purpose despite Todd Haley, which I think we all would fumble on purpose despite Todd Haley, but again, like if you have been Rothlisberger on your team is a you know, a good quarterback. He's going to help you in games. You'll I manning thing is is is is totally mystifying. But. You know, you could understand why Antonio Brown who considers himself and correctly considered himself. One of the best players in the league that he would just be annoyed that the team has always taking Ben side and not his side. Again. The giants thing just makes makes no sense on this or any other level. And they also have immune there also wasting a bunch of money to bring ally back. It's the like they could have not done that in the end likely made maybe two citizens back to that like guaranteeing themselves. Go to fourteen I it's really it's really remarkable. Especially considering the giants were supposedly what are these teams that did have a good culture? You know, like they're kind of a talked about is one of the NFL's blue buds with with the Mara family in the kind of the record is excessive had they partied on a boat together before a playoff game that that shows the tightness among teammates. But this does work like I found this nj dot com poll in which two thirds of giants fans said that the team had made the right call and trading Beckham. And it just shows how fans I think especially NFL fans actually more than NBA where we increasingly root for the players rather than the franchises. But NFL fans was always support the. Franchise over a player who makes money or grouses or or demands a trade, which which Beckham did not do in this case. But it's also I think those larger phenomenon in all of sports of the best player on a bad team. Getting blamed for the team being bad as if it's as if it says fault as the bad player on the bad team. It's not like the giants have been good with Oto Beckham recently. So obviously, it's his fault. That's how fan thinking where is one of the great one of the many great ruses that the NFL has managed to perpetrate successfully for for decades. Now that franchise matters above all and the legacy of the Maras and. And this is the Rooney family takes precedent. I'm let's not forget also that the Steelers let Levy on bell leave to they've let to the two arguably two of the five best players in the NFL go in the last year bell signed with the jets last week. I'm also not convinced that the Steelers are going to be bad. Now. I it seems clear that the giants are going to be bad. The Steelers had James Connor last year filled in for lady on bell. And you know, one of the reasons that the Browns look so smart now is because they have a quarterback Baker Mayfield on a on a rookie deal. And so they can pay Jarvis Landry and go back, and you know, the other guys they've brought in this off-season relatively big money because they're not paying fanning dollars for their quarterback. And the other kind of cross sport thing that I find really interesting here is that the Browns wouldn't have been able to make this move if they hadn't done the tanking for draft picks. Maneuver when Sashi Brown was the general manager some of these picks that they acquired or the ones that are going to the giants in this trade, and Ben it's very similar to how the Sixers implemented the the process where they had Sam hinkie for the tank and get draft picks era than they brought an Elton brand. And they immediately just start cashing in those chips for Jimmy Butler Tobias Harris the Browns are now in the we are in contention. We're going to cash in and get you know, Odell get turn turn this draft capital and to actual players. And it seems like it's really smart and they're going to be good yet. Another thing that they did that is reminiscent of the Sixers was I mean, the Sixers took a big chance on on gel bead when he was injured in drafted when he was injured his adjusting for talent. And they're not, you know, they're decided not gonna be worried about the about the injury about, you know, I think well, he was rehabbing those questions out how seriously is taking it. That incubates right. They were right to have taken him a similar thing happened with Mayfield. You know? I mean, you guys remember he there was some questions about his attitude because he was arrogant, he planted a field at Ohio State. He grabbed his crotch, whatever. He's not that all that. He is listed at six one. So yeah, another similar case where the team, you know, this is this is pretty much the opposite of keeping Eli manning instead of like keeping instead of going with the guy who just like looks like looks and sounds like a franchise quarterback. Even if it's not there. They took a guy who made a Manatt at the profile, but had the talent on its ends in so far, it's working out for them. And now it's time for after balls. Josh you mentioned in the introduction to the show that the federal investigation into the admissions practices at these universities and colleges was nicknamed varsity blues after the nineteen ninety nine movie of that name about have you guys seen varsity football team. Oh, so. Oh, yes. So chapel times I've only seen ending the last thirty minutes once when I was channel surfing so Brown. He he Brown is involved in that yesterday. The quarterback of the vanderbeek James vanderbeek Jonathan mocks Moxham at west Canaan highschool ends up going to Brown. He's a quarterback with a brain a heart of gold. He puts a copy of solder house five in his playbook during practice. I think that shows how that's like is e ezekie rates. He's okay. Should we listen to a clip? I haven't actually listened to the clip. So we're just going to run the clip then seems to be the varsity blues expert here bent, set it up for us. I leave that this is injured quarterback Lance harbor played by the late Paul Walker. All this extemporaneously, by way, laying out a second-half strategy after kind of coup is kind of like a mutiny and the team the team like. Overrules Jon Voight at half to coach Kilmer Jon Voight at half time. And then just in wings it in the second half. They just go out and play and this is them discussing their their chance. No running backs receivers tax. Tweeter do on the right. We're gonna open cover tweet or wildlife. No hoddle's. I'll call the place of the nine never know what hit them around. Let's. Thank you. Was that not among the great inspirational football speech is up there with one for the gipper. And and even Sunday that's pretty good skiing. That's very modern or thinking scheme the no huddle or wide stack gliders here. That's very that's very on trend. I was reading a Sports Illustrated retrospective about the film. Twentieth. Anniversary the film. That they brought in a lot of consultants. I mean that was sort of they wanted to make sure that the offensive schemes were of their time. Thank you. Thank you. Pauline. Cal. You could tell that that wasn't the quote unquote, smart guy quarterback because he's had five wide receivers. No tight ends no running backs. We know man. You can't have tied under any back. If you have five wide receivers just get to the point we need to we need to get this play play out there. All right Stephane, we've gone through this whole long spill. But you haven't told us what the name of after Balzac, then what's your mocks? What's your Jonathan? Was it mock Moxham or just mocks they would just go by mach one guy. Right. And what's your I'm I'm gonna by the way op down and after this week I had a long weekend. So Paul everyone that was waiting for me to do after ball. Then what's your mocks? I will step in for you like mock stepped in for Lance harbor good. And my my Moscow's deterrence man of Florida state mandate. Six seven senior guards key starter floor state team that won fourteen fifteen games to close season and reached the ACC tournament final with an upset victory over Virginia. So I was watching that easy. See final against you. When I saw man's name. I thought to myself isn't Terrence Mann the reclusive author character played by James Earl Jones in field of dreams who Kevin Costner's character. Tracks down Boston again at park. Indeed. I was right. That is the name of Jones character. And in fact, FSU's Terrence Mann is from Lowell Massachusetts. His mother Danial force was for a time the women's basketball coach at northeastern. She's now the head coach at Rhode Island. But as man explained to the Boston Globe in two thousand fifteen he's actually named after his grandmother Teranda, at least at that time had not seen the film in not Saint dreams in a completely coincidental. Twist. Meanwhile, I was also looking last night at the roster for the two thousand twelve university of Kentucky championship team. That was the team led by Anthony Davis. I noticed that team featured if five eleven walk on guard from Scituate Massachusetts, named Sam Malone, which is the name of Ted Danson's ex player bartender character in cheers now in two thousand twelve salon article, the Kentucky Sam alone father said he was not specifically named after the cheese character, but two thousand fifteen Louisville courier journal pieces. He was the younger Malone also dressed up as dances character for two thousand fourteen Instagram posts, the mystery may not be resolved yet. But Malone Kentucky in any case was one of those beloved garbage time guys getting a game when their head by twenty. He only scored seven points in four seasons. But he did capitalize on his popularity. According to the courier journal article by selling Sam alone zone shirts for twenty dollars a nine cents. He is now the CEO of grew dot club, which describes itself as the first ever app that connects brands in Nanno influencers three private. Tation only shopping platform UK fans Nanno influencers can find him on Twitter at Sam alone k thirteen. Google the Chandler, bang basketball and nothing comes up. Joey, trivia ni basketball. Also, also nothing. A shame. I want to do a mock I was just gonna ask you to. Josh. What's your mocks this past week Ray com? Sports aired broadcasts of the ACC basketball tournament for the final time inning. It's run as a provider of syndicated, basketball and football broadcast. They service it started providing nineteen Seventy-nine starting this. Coming fall rake com games, which aired on over the air networks across the ACC footprint of this. Great United States does games will move to ESPN which is launching its own ACC network. Ray com is gonna do some back end digital stuff for said ACC network, but the branded Ray com game is dead. The foundation for Ray com was actually built in the fifty s according to a piece on the web site W R A L sports fan dot com in nineteen fifty seven a guy named CD Chesley put together a group of five North Carolina TV stations to broadcast. Last the national championship game at tween, North Carolina, and Kansas that was the famed game in which north kind beat will Chamberlain and multiple overtimes that evolved into an ACC game of the week, which was by Jefferson pilot life insurance and featured this classic theme song. That is really makes me wanna buy life insurance and watch John Lucas and Tomek melon at the same time. There's an article I found on Greensboro dot com, which argued I think persuasively that while coaches, and they see where originally opposed to putting games on television fearing, they'd cut into attendants. This was actually the key or one of the keys to making the the premier basketball conference in the nation. That players would wanna come to these schools North Carolina do consist, Maryland, what have you because the games were on television. You know, one or two games a week back in the sixties and seventies was a big deal before every game was on TV the rights went from CD Chazli to metro sport. And then to Ray calm because Chesney was paying a million dollars a year. For the rights liens, which is not that much money that went up to three million dollars to met for metro sports, and men rake home paid the princely sum of fifty million dollars over three years to send a Kate games. A bunch of times a week multiple games per week, Ray, calm and Jefferson pilot sports eventually acquired the rights to a bunch of college games. They showed football and basketball games from not just the ACC. But also the SEC Pac ten the metro conference the big eight the southwest conference. I hope people are feeling Daljit pangs for the metro conference. I know I am to lane was was involved there in that piece on the WROL sports site. The Ray com chief operating officer Jimmy Rayburn said we provide away for a lot of people who do not have cable or satellite to watch the games. And that included myself, I grew up watching Jefferson pilot s. Games in the eighties. And so this is all giving me the the death of Ray com. It's alone. Tear as falling cheek the same thing that just happens. ACC happened to the SEC a decade ago with all of its broadcast moving to. Yes, PIN all that being said Jefferson pilot football games were notorious for starting super early like in the central time zone where I grew up. These were old Evan thirty AM games. And somehow, I don't know how they manage this. But every Jefferson pilot football game those ever played featured both Kentucky and Vanderbilt. They played ten times a year at eleven thirty in the morning on JP. Also as an article from two thousand eight noted Ray com slash Jefferson pilot, had their proclivity to only hire announcers with the first name, Dave. There was Dave Neal Dave row and don't forget the legendary Dave Baker. But Ben, I'm curious for your thoughts. On this actually because this feels like the final nail in a particular brand of college sports regionalism, the fact that all of these games are available through ESPN, either streaming or on the SEC network or the network, it represents a kind of consolidation of college sports that has been a long time coming, but there is just something that I think all miss if not in the specifics of these games, but in the notion that there was just like a set of local games local broadcasters that you'd get on a local channel with local commercials. And that just does not exist anymore and major conference college sports. I mean, I think that's actually have a disservice to viewers in in some ways because you never, you know, sure, you've had experience you had a different national housing team every week and. Kind of just make the same points about your team every week, you know, 'cause they're introducing the team to themselves into the national audience in it can be kind frustrating. If you're a fan of on team, you kinda wanna hear a little more indepth analysis. Yes. I mean, there's definitely something lost. Not only infamous Daljeet factor is far as the actual coverage of games. Witnesses kind of thing is happening. Stuff is not not. I wasn't ignoring your after. Josh what I was reading a little more about varsity blues. Okay. It was another really good twentieth. Anniversary retrospective piece in Entertainment Weekly about the film. Yeah. I really wanna watch it now. Yeah. Because it sounds like it was very hokey and of its time. Good football, Stephanie discovers versity. After and the Jon Voight character, bud Kilmer the asshole coach at one point screams. You're dragging their son, and it's fucking up my universe. The kid that has a concussion, I think it was kind of a it was looking a lot of ice, right? There's a kid that has a concussion they got him a cat scan. And turns out he doesn't have a concussion. So he was funny. He the protocol isn't that movie? The most famous for the shaving cream bikini, though. You know, there are so many iconic moments in it. Nick one certainly that was a big part of the marketing campaign, if I recall, and there's a character named tweeter which probably would have been a better name than mocks for the after balls but too late too late. Now, we can we can turn back that is our show for today. Our producer is Patrick fort. Thank you, Ben Mathis Lilley for being the person who has seen versity blues, which turned out to be more crucial than any of us could've anticipated. Thanks, guys. My pleasure. To listen to pashas and subscribe or just reach out. Go to sleep dot com slash hang up, and you can Email us at hang up at slate dot com. If you are still with us during the closing credits sequence of the hang up and listen podcast program. 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"Hey, it's those Kelly. Welcome to the ringer podcast network. This week on the site. Danny Kelly, Robert Mays and Kevin Clark will be offering their takeaways after each day at the NFL combine mile Surrey brings you his ringer guide to streaming and March and Andrew good at tells you how to survive the bachelor you can check those out and more on the ringer dot com. Hello and welcome to the ringer NBA show. I think this would be the corner three, but our foot might be on the line. I think we're going to call this the long to this week as you like it as you could probably tell I am not Kevin O'Connor. This is Danny Chow filling in for Casey who is back at his home turf hamming up with all the nerds at the slow conference in Boston. But the show must go on. So joining me on the line from Dallas ringer staff writer, Jonathan sharks. How's it going, man? I like the whole long too because I'm picturing like this when you lose a star from an offense. You gotta change the possessions around everybody else gets more shots, and they take you take a lower percentage shot so expect a lot more long to Jack Jack takes today. Oh, a man. Should we call ourselves? Ewing theory podcast then. Nice. So this episode is produced by Bobby Wagner, of course. And we're recording this at nine ten AM. We had a couple of doozy's on TNT last night. But let's start with what might have been the game of the night the jazz beat the nuggets in Denver one eleven to one zero four in a game that was both closer and not as close as the score indicated the jazz looked in control for most of the night. But the nuggets showed a lot of fight in the second half. Ultimately, though, they basically caught a Utah team that showed every single facet of their their strengths. Basically every reason why they should be considered one of the most dangerous teams in the west charts. Would you see from that game? Yeah. I mean, I think we've been talking about it for a while. So Rubio missed this game and that Shane's Utah's lineup. So instead of playing Rubio and Mitchell, backward, they went Mitchell put Ingles basically the point forward, and they had O'neil and Crowder as the wings. So basically Gobert center. Her Mitchell at point and then like four three six six six seven switchable defenders. I feel like this version of Utah is actually a little more dangerous than without Rubio. Yeah. And just for clarification Rubio sat out the game because of a sore hamstring. Also Howell Netto was out. Dante Exum was out. So they basically didn't have any point guards drawing had an amazing game a double double with eleven or twelve assists. Donovan Mitchell was basically off ball for most of the game. But took over the game in the final two minutes. And yeah, this is like this was a textbook performance for the jazz. You had a signature defensive outing from Gobert probably one of the best of his season considering the stakes and considering the guy he was guarding it, which we should get into that. Go bare verse Yokich matchup. Yeah. Because like I was thinking about it Yokich is whole game is basically, I am bigger than you. I can shoot over you. And if you press it I can get around you am I go bears like the one player in? The league who can cover up Yokich, right, right? Like go Barrett. He's probably faster and faster than you know. He's just a strong showbiz can push them out of the way Asia kind of gives them watch trouble. It kinda reminds me of back. Here's an old back in the day with the Mavs the player always convert the most troubles Lamar Odom like these long athletic defenders to guard these stretchy big men, right? And I went by looking at the numbers. So they've played ten games in their career Gobert Yokich Chris's, courtesy of land basketball dot com. So I don't stand by these numbers. But. And they have it as in those ten games. Go bare averages thirteen point three points a game and Yokich averages thirteen point four points the game. And so obviously if you're Utah. It's a great win for you. If you're because if you're infocomm bears holding docket so far blow as averages, right? And one thing that I've kind of been talking about almost repeatedly on this podcast is how go bare looks a lot more comfortable kind of defending out on the perimeter. And so what you saw out of go bare yesterday against Yokich was basically him covering Yokich in every single possible scenario. He stonewalled him down low contained him on perimeter drives. And I think go bears length is what kind of bothers Yokich who doesn't really have the angles anymore. When you're being defended by a dude who has like a seven eight wingspan who can cover you from the three point line out. So yeah, it was really one of those performances where oh go bear might be a little bit better than he was in the playoffs last year. But also, what are we really expecting from your? Catch this season. And the playoffs was all about mashups. Right. I think if you're Denver the good news is I don't really see anybody else in the west who can cover Yokich Gobert can go into freak, right? There's really no other centers that long that active and that strong. It's a really rare combination by do thinking I answered the question is raised like if yoga is not creating shots for others. Who do you really trust and Denver run the offense through looking at like Jamal Maria, Paul Millsap? I guess yeah. I it's it's weird. Because when we talk about Murray, we're talking about and KFC has written about this in the past where they kind of run this very unconventional kind of one five pick and roll along time with Marie and a lot of these dribble handoffs to get Marie involved. But he's not necessarily their traditional playmaker type. And you're looking at kind of these weird sets where they're trying to get random guys, you know, involved, but it's still all kind of revolves around Yokich. Yeah. I I'm not. Really sure if they have that kind of guy who's going to be like that steadying presence with when Yokich is off. My thing is if I'm playing Denver in the playoffs like my game plan. Like, I'm making Yokich be score. Ran not sending him help. I'm making everybody else would beat me. Like if yo could scores thirty points new scores, thirty points. But I want to hold the system and I want to make the rest of his teammates kind of live on their own. I think that's the key. If I was gonna go up against Denver series. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of a weird comparison. But that's basically the strategy all the times when you looked at the seventy seven seconds or less sons where teams were basically forcing Steve Nash to be a score. And he can do it. Like he dropped forty points in several games in playoffs over his career. But he's obviously not comfortable doing that against his DNA xactly, and those games are when you know, the sons are least dangerous because suddenly the ball is in moving quite as much and suddenly Nashes having to hunt down his own shot. It throws a serious wrench into the into. Mix. And I think that's why Denver brought in Isaiah Thomas. I think was kind of the idea if Yokich kinda get stymied there's somebody else and go on one. I don't know if it's gonna work though. But yeah, he has not looked very good, and we can probably chalk that up to rust. We can chalk it up to him still getting into game shape. But you know, this team is definitely in the hunt floor, the number one seed, and you could argue that they should probably be going forward as hard as they can to try and maintain homecourt advantage. They're not a great road team at what point do you say? This is Thomas experiment, probably isn't gonna work and just scrap it. I think that's really hurt them is not hurt him hurt them. But hurt him as Monty Morris Monte more. Because I think the thought was started the season will give Monte Morris. Second year point guard second round pick. He'll be the backup like three months till phase them ou- bring Isaiah and but more have been so good. He has to play. Right. But now you're playing to really really small. Off the bench. And that's just talk from the playoffs. I feel like primitive and sizes so important and now Denver is really small on the perimeter. And I think one thing that the nuggets did to really get themselves back in the game. Was it was Wilburton? We'll Barton was a huge energy guy. Getting all these defensive rebounds bringing the ball up the court pick and rolls. He really brought the energy and one thing that I was wondering is like they brought Gary Harris off the bench, and I can kind of see Barton, and Gary Harris being kind of these like boys in in the back court to kind of like maintain a certain level of equilibrium with this with this nuggets offense. I kinda like when Yokich is not playing right. Yeah. So you know, you kind of enable Gary Harris more as a primary and secondary play Merican playmaker in the second unit. I honestly think this is probably me being partial to my guy, Maleek Beasley who kind of really works that in that starting lineup. He's a. Perfect off ball threat. And he's I think as a starter. He's actually got fifty fifty ninety splits the guys sites. Interesting ridiculously efficient. It makes sense because a guy like that off Yokich, right? He's doing less thinking yoga just giving them more shots as opposed to be more of a crater from self from the second unit. Right. And that's just not something that the nuggets have necessarily seen out of Beasley yet. And so, you know, I would rather give that role to, you know, someone who is a little bit more accomplished a little bit more familiar with like, Gary Harris, it's not a demotion in my in my mind. But like if you can have a super sub especially with the team that has the kind of depth that the nuggets have I've got to Boone they're gonna be fascinating to watch the playoffs and never been there before they have so many young guys. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they look like. Yeah. What one thing that? I worry about you know, and and it's obviously something that's been on our minds for the past two years is just like what does Yokich look like on defense in the playoffs. Like he was in trouble yesterday. And when he's in trouble. He he just doesn't offer anything on defense because he knows how much she has to expand on offense. And so he's basically just like letting guys drive by him because there's nothing really he can do. He doesn't have like the margin for error with his physique. Yeah. It feels like for them matchups will be key. Yeah. Is there is there any team? That's in the hunt for like the seven and eight seeds that you think might be able to give them like a legitimate scare. Well, I mean, the Lakers obvious. Yeah. Right. Lebron Lou LeBron always out the looming. I know LeBron's not scared of them whether that matters or not, I don't know. Right. Yeah. Is there anything else that we should touch on with the jazz? I I think that that win was just really impressive. I we. We we basically covered, you know, the their ideal lineup, which I guess we should reiterate it it would be Donovan Mitchell. Royce oneal Joe eagles Jae Crowder. Joe Ingles Jae Crowder and really go bare. Okay. So fun and small sample size. Those guys are plus twenty six point six and sixty five minutes this season that is that is insane. That is ridiculous. And it's also like just a massive defensive unit like Mitchell might only be six three, but he has a six ten wingspan, which essentially means he's a six six wing switchable. Yeah. Yeah. And to me like with Rubio and Mitchell, I feel like Rubio has training wheels for Mitchell. Like Rubio take care of the ball. He'll run sats, blah, blah, blah. But he's you know, he's a point guard. Not a great shooter takes bottom Mitchell's hands. And leaves you lot more small on the perimeter. Like to me Rubio was a guy. He gets you only so far then you gotta let them go. Right. Yeah. And I think one thing that's really fascinating about the jazz. This. Year and last year is that you know, there once again kind of surging in the second half of the year. And it kind of makes me think like they're just a second half team. It's because you need time for your players to gel, and it's not always just because of personnel. It's about how the league changes around you. And I mean a lot of it too is a scheduled Arnold was the same last year. Their schedule was crazy from none of this year. Now, it's really evening up. What's interesting is I we were looking at the numbers on slack today. Like, they can make a run at the three seed. Yeah. And if that happens, and they get we could. Okay. So Houston first round on my God. I could not the take in that series. Would be mine mind melting the weird thing right now is that. So the the top three season the west are kind of slumping a little bit and the four five and six seeds are on like long win streaks. So we could be seeing a lot of shuffling. I think there's only three games separating three and six, and so, you know, there's still a lot of playoff jockeying. Left to be had especially in those high high up like, you know, four three four five seeds. So and man that if you could avoid Golden State side of the bracket. Yeah. Thoug- I mean, we'll see like the last week this season. But that could be a lot of moving around because that is avoiding Golden State as long as possible huge because I think going stay like, you're always like man would've stuff gets hurt. Right. You give some more time stuff gets her all of a sudden, it's open for anybody. Do. So do you think the warriors end up with the number one seat? I don't know. I mean, I don't think they have much incentive to push for it. Right. So. And they're they're getting boogie back in. I don't know that they really are gonna trying to push for the one that hard. And so actually the one team that kind of made this possible for the jazz said to move up was actually the thunder losing yesterday in the first game of the TNT double header the Sixers won- one. Oh, eight to one zero four against the hunter. No, Paul George has a weird game. We're game. We got to see a lot of our corner. Three favorites kind of get some shine yesterday. But yeah. Well, what was your big takeaway from that game? I mean, the thing I'm interested in watching the last two weeks with Embiid, resting whatever. She's doing right now is like so they played Simmons at the five which I was kinda surprised looking at the numbers. According to the numbers. This is the first time all season last night. He didn't play with either Embiid Moscow. Woah, Johnson Bolden or a Bo. Bon. So it was like Simmons. They closed the game. I think with Simmons. Jimmy, Butler Tobias Harris, Mike, Scott JJ Rettig. Right. Those labs have been killing it. So. Simmons Butler Harris. No Embiid, plus twenty five point four in seventy four minutes this season that yeah, that's ridiculous. And it's basically what you've been kind of clamoring for most of the season. It's just you know, surrounding Simmons with as many shooters playmakers as possible. Yeah. I think for sure if you're Philly and the playoffs, maybe the idea should be you leverage Embiid and you play the other three stars of the autumn when you stagger. The minutes. I think that is an interesting look for a team like a chain from him beat at the fi- Simmons the five right? It's such a wild difference in styles over the course of the game. I think it really allows you to dictate tempo and lineups with the other teams from being the two wild. Switch like that. It really actually doesn't surprise me that much that this is the first time Simmons is playing the five I feel like Brett Browns pretty conservative with the way. He trots out his centers like Scala got a lotta time next. Embiid allen. Thank you. The right word for Amir in the Scala trotting. Oh, man. I make this joke every single time. I see Amir. But it's just like you can hear his ankles creaking like every single time. He's on the floor. Like, I can't believe he's still playing the carefully out on Twitter. Clapping back at writers, though. He's he's amazing. He's the he's a Toronto legend like he's a he's probably the guy who taught at Davis all he knows about being a lovable teammate. I I love him. It's just you know, I think to what these Simmons Harris lineups. I think that's where Harris can be most valuable is playing with Simmons. And smaller looks because you can go real fast. You have a second score. He's spreading the floor for Simmons. I mean, I think that to me is most that was like thunder from this game. And then of course, there's Joe Bolden arm fan. Our hero mandible. Yeah. KFC's out. So we can go real wild. Let's let's let's do like fifty minutes on Joan. I mean, this was his this was his best game. As a pro he shot six of seven from the field. And really did it in a variety of ways? I it wasn't any one particular space on the floor where you did it. You know, he was a roll man and pick and rolls. Cots alley oops. You know, drove past dudes on close outs hit some threes. If they can get consistent production out of Bolton. I think that's a huge. He's really skilled for guy his size. She's very active. He's kind of wild sometimes. But I wonder if Brad balance trust them in the playoffs Browns go on play his vets and like he won't want to deal with the highest and lows of the Bolden experience. Oh, man. So like, but how many Amir Johnson minutes? Are we getting then? Yeah. There's maybe it's like, Mike, Scott, right? Maybe I can't imagine Amir's on a plane much else. But or Bobin either for that matter so bowl. I mean, there are minutes for Bolden. Whether he can take advantage of I think really make Philly would raise in their team. I mean, we will we will always always clamor for more Jona Bolden minutes of in the crazy thing is he was the one year when he went overseas you shouldn't like forty percent from three and his his shootings come down since then. But if every consistent three point shooter on top of the. His game. He's a really really good player. Right. And you. Yeah. You were one of the year one of the first guys who wrote like an actual like pre-draft profile on him. And he he has a very interesting background. So always I forgot he's Australian to isn't he that's right? We remember that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wait, so is can that work in his favor. Like Brett Brown Australian connects Simmons. I dunno. Let's let's make this happen. Yeah. So, you know, with the thunder, obviously, they were missing their MVP. But was there anything really to clean out of the performances? We saw last night. Let's see though like no play. Well, for them was Jeremy grant former process veteran. That was like the process guy like they've made a lot trade last few years, really bleeding value. Like, Jeremy grant, he's like a better version of Joni Bolden us how much what's I hate to say it? He's gonna be one bowling to become basically, but was not nice athletic. Jeremy grant, either it's fascinating because you have been on the Jeremy grant train for years, even you know, even before he became a reliable three point shooter. He's he shooting like thirty nine percent from three this year on three and a half attempts per game. Like that is legit. You know, I was a little concerned when they bought a Mark if Morris that it would take away grants minutes by think documents, the smart thing played market off the bench, and he's really taken off patch Paterson. Oh, he's been by far their worst player all season. So I think that's a big plus row. K C going forward is eating p Pat out of their marquee, those backup four or five minutes right and yesterday because George was out based started both Martinez and Jeremy grant, but I think with. Jeremy grants threat of that three point shot. He's really kind of opened up a little bit more. Dribble drive game. So he's still basically a straight line driver. But there are certain possessions that we saw yesterday where he so athletic, and yeah, that's the thing. Grant, a straight line. That's a fast straight line. Yeah. Eight A B. That's not a lot time. Yeah. It's you know, one one first step off that close out. It's probably one dribble and he's right at the rim. And so like there aren't that many athletes who you know, can beat that. Like have we heard a Rober snuck day? I just realized like it's almost mar it's March. Now, this is he gonna play this season to be honest. Like, I always kind of forget that he's even on the team. He's about a year and a half now. Yeah, it's fascinating in the sense that like I think we're on the same boat in that. We don't think like Roberson is gonna be a guy who's gonna swing anything for the thunder. But it it would just be nice to have someone who knows the system, and you can you know, competently play to Raleigh. Liking app, donators minutes. Yeah. And I was thinking too like if you're gonna play grant the five or marquee at the five Terrapins up more time with the wing for somebody. Right. Yeah. And I think with with the addition of Martinez who, you know, the the rockets could've used the raptors could used so many teams could have used this guy who can basically play three positions guard three positions with marquee that the thunder can really trot out some interesting second unit lineups they have Schreuder Morris. And no, well all three are basically like low end starting caliber players who can kind of cheap that second unit afloat. It's not a traditional they they don't really have traditional depth in that. They don't really have three guys, but those guys can kind of maintain a level of consistency for you know, when when Westbrook is out in, you know, missing a bunch of shots, and they they've really show what that this season after showed her on their bench, and I guess New Orleans like they've really been getting nothing. Mm seven eight nine ten eleven on their roster. Like, I said app donator Hamadou DR lose kind of playing some we had Lijiang Burton. We had one game. Where deonte Burton was amazing. And I'm like rooting for that guy. But I don't know if it's necessarily his season. Okay. Now, this is really gonna deep. John burton. He's like he's like a PJ Tucker from, you know, two thousand nine with a jetpack, you know, he's he's really Atlantic. But he's really built like a bowling ball. Okay. I could see it just yes. To like realize like I'm a defensive player. Now that's thing because he was kind of like the ball. He was like he has a big score in college now. Yes. To move into. I'm a role player. I moved the ball hit shots. I don't go outside of myself. Right. So with the final stretch, I've one last question for you on the thunder with the final stretch coming up and Paul George very much in the thick of this MVP's and. And. I feel like he is kind of the dark horse in the sense that you know, in two thousand seventeen coli was kind of like creeping into the discussion. He was like cemented himself as a possible option there is there anything he can do to like raise his candidacy. I mean, it's it's at this point saw about team success, right? Yeah. You gotta get. Okay. So you're the one seat that'll be tough because they've got a crazy tough schedule coming up. We'll see I guess if he can like I forget the numbers, but they'll come up online if you want, but they add to play a lot of good teams down the stretch to season. It'll be tough from the stay at three much less. But the two or one I think if he's won the MVP ask gets at the one seed, proper logistically, right? And at at this point, it seems like yeah, it's looking unlikely because with that Sixers loss there they've now lost three in a row. Endanger, actually, they're they're tied with the blazers right now, record wise. So you know, they they could easily slip to the four c crazy me. The Paul George saying like, he's a great, obviously. Right. But to me is he burned. Kevin durant? Durant spitting? Knock you got the number one option on his team. He doesn't hold the ball out often near does George 'cause got respiratory like the rant to me. Just a better version of Paul George, so I see knocking MVP talk upholders. It'd be narrative, Doug. That's why Katie is upset. I'm which you Katie. I see the Hayden on you. All right. I think that's all the talk. We have for the TNT games. Right. After this break. We'll bring on Zach cram. 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I called three point Vangelis coaches have been in the G league coaches who have been in college skills trainer who are sort of at the forefront of this movement and helping shepherd three pointers along and. And I think there are some really interesting findings about not just three pointers increasing. But what specific kinds of three pointers, increasing. What players are shooting more three pointers that sort of paint a more detailed picture about why we're seeing more threes. Okay. Zach so my hypocrite in the story you were talking to Darryl Maury. And he goes most people think we were going to fast with the threes. You're the first person to ask why it went so slow. Yeah. Yeah. I was perfect. I yeah. 'cause I interviewed Darryl actually back in the fall. And I was asking him. You know, like, you have said that you always knew the value three pointers dating back to the days before you were a GM when you were an assistant with the Celtics like, why didn't you start taking a lot more three pointers until twenty fifteen and he said, basically we had to get buy in from the players. We had to get him from the coaches we had to get the right roster in place. And if you look at how Houston has built its roster over the last few seasons. You really see how he connected those dots to build this kind of roster because it's not just James harden. It's all the wings. He brought in even some of the players who didn't work out who were asked to take more three pointers. So that's sort of where it started with Houston. But I think you then see that kind of same roster building blossoming around the entire NBA. So sure it might have started a little slow at first. But once it came into the NBA just started accelerating. Yeah. When I was reading this piece. I kept thinking of. Allison wonderland and the part where he's like one on the opposite side of the looking glass now, and it's like before this happened. It was a three two so weird and crazy. And now that it's happened. It's like, oh, this is obvious of corporate should be doing this. Like, the league is totally changed. It just makes so much percents to do. Right. And and their their parts in the piece where you know, you talk about how, you know, basically, a bunch of people had said that, you know, I it's all about validation. Like when when the warriors one that I championship that was kind of when the floodgates happened. Because everyone was just like, okay. This can work everyone kind of had that thought. But it was just like once it actually happened. Let's let's just do this inertness, and like this, you know, he's not maybe the most analytical basketball mind, but I think about like Charles Barkley talking on inside the NBA about how jump shooting teams can't win championships. And even if that wasn't the most like, statistically oriented mindset, it was kind of accepted, more generally. So the word. Fears were a really important part in pushing this forward, and then like, even though the rockets haven't won a championship they came really close last season shooting a lot of three pointers. So you have teams like the bucks who have increased their three point rate the percentage of shots that are three pointers. They were in the middle of the pack last season. Now, they're in the top five and the nets are shooting where three pointers because they didn't have the draft picks to build the talent. So they needed to kind of moneyball it in think how can we gain an advantage? So there may be different routes that teams took to start shooting more threes, but they've all kind of drifted toward the same place. And I think the bucks are perfect example of like, it goes beyond even just having being worth three points about in the piece it's all about like making the defense guard more space, and as you shoot more threes. Also in means, you're twos or more valuable because the defense guarding more area. So the bucks have all these three point shooters. Then they have honest and sides student like sunny percent at the rim or something. Crazy ends. It just makes a defense guard more areas of the floor, and the more you have to guard the residue obviously, this is something that I kind of explored in my Steph curry Lonzo ball piece that that we launched the ringer with the idea that, you know, these players are forcing you to guard spaces on the floor that just like were never considered danger areas to begin with one staff that I really thought was valuable in in kind of understanding the value of a three pointer was the one where the points per attempt from twenty three feet or actually more valuable than generated more points than the shots taken at two feet. Am I saying that correctly Graham? Yeah. So that's not necessarily perfectly Representative because you have to calculate like, you're probably more likely to get a free throw a few shoot from two feet away. But if you nor free throws if you turn overs if you offense of rebounds shots from twenty three feet away generated more points per attempt. Then shots from two feet away last year and to to your point about defending new areas on the floor. One of the quotes that ended up getting cut from the final pieces. I talked to David Arsenault junior who is a d three coach who for two seasons coached Sacramento's D league team. And while he was there his team shot a ton of three pointers and they had offense of ratings of one hundred sixteen in both seasons but best in D or G league history. And I asked him like were you at all afraid that moving from college to the NBA the three point line is further away were you afraid about how that would affect your strategy. And he said if anything it actually helped because it made the defense wide out more and actually opened up those spaces for us. So I think that gets your point like three pointers from twenty eight feet away, which were basically unprecedented before recently they've doubled just in the last two seasons. So that shows how quickly this is changing when you have them this. The next part of the peace, but you have guys like trae young now entering the league who like before it was just Steph curry shooting from out there. Now, you have a bunch of rookies entering the leak, you already know they can do that. Right. And that that trae young game against the rockets in which he shot eight for twelve from three all of those twelve attempts came from twenty seven or further further out. It was amazing yen one way to look at it. It's like in football. Sometimes there's value in football and just throwing a deep to make a defense. Think about those plays, right? Like when you know the both forty five yards down the field. Now, a different tasks to extend farther out to guard it at the same basic idea in basketball, if you're shooting from farther away, the defense has reached farther out which opens up more room behind the defense to attack inside too. And if you think about trying to manipulate the available space on offense, the first three pointers that people really saw it where corner threes, they stretched the floor horizontally by you can't go any further horizontally because then you reach the sideline. So the only way to do that is start extending. Further back vertically, right? And to me, there are thing really as I was reading this piece, and you're talking about defensive counters and the difficulty of guarding threes. And it just seems like if feels like even now there's still so many traditional bigs in the league. And then like five years, I just wonder if you can knock are three point line. Can you still be in the NBA? So basically cram you have helped bolster charges manifesto of exactly. Yeah. On this the six eight six eight wing who can play all five physicians being the the model NBA player for the next fifty years. And I think that's honestly a question. I it's pretty clear at this point that three pointers are rising in the NBA. And to a large extent, they work. I think the question is what does it look like in five ten years when players who grew up playing this way have no filtered into the NBA. Because like if you look at tall players now for the most part before the last couple of seasons, they had to learn how to shoot in the NBA. In this season like brook Lopez's. Great example, he was never shooting three pointers in college. He was never shooting three pointers when he first entered the NBA and he had to learn over time. Now, he's very good at it. But that was still a process where Al that's a that's a good point. So I must thinking so with Carl towns, so this is crazy. He came into college and Evans like curl tones of so soft shoes too many threes and can Calipar said cat. I'm putting you in the post. We're going to show them your post player you'll be one pick in the draft. Now, he's like still learn that four years later, whereas I can't take some threes. Again, please could waste your time. When the post, and you wonder if that will definitely continue changing like a bowl bowl from Oregon. You know, he's obviously been out awhile for injury. But he was shooting a lot of three pointers even like de'andre eight and who hasn't taken really any threes in the NBA, so far he was still taking won a game in college. So you wonder as his offense of profile continues to evolve can he starts stepping out and taking more threes. Like he was in college. So I think. Like, I had a quote in there from Arsenault where he said at some point, you know, an NBA team will be taking two thirds of their shots from three. I don't know if with the talent pool we in the player pool, we have now if any team can realistically approach that Mark. But could they in five ten years when those new players in the NBA? I don't really see why not right. Yeah. And the interesting thing too. So like if that's the upper limit the quotes in my head all season. I hadn't executive told me he thinks the average and five or ten years. We'll be forty five percent three point shots for every team in the league. So like every team was based on it'll be the rockets and one of the quotes that Arsenault gave about kind of watching NBA games and being impatient. You know, seeing all of these potential threes that could be taken. But the NBA players are just either hesitant or just they aren't wired to think, oh, this is the first shot that I should be taking that I found that really fascinating in terms of like their basic like, yeah, Arsenault is basically looking at basketball completely differently now. And I think that that will probably continue to change as more not just players with this mindset. But I wonder if we'll see more coaches with this mindset hired Nick nurse in Toronto is an obvious example. He was a daily coach in Houston under Maury before he took this job. And now the raptors are shooting more threes. So I wonder if we'll see that pipeline change to kind of like, we have chunks mentioned the NFL earlier like the NFL is now basically hiring anyone who's ever running innovative offensive system to run their team because they see how it's working. So I wonder if the NBA will start to evolve in that way too because besides nurse. It hasn't really to. This point like, I guess, you could say Brooklyn is another example of that. But booth holes for the most part they've been drawing from the same kinds of coaches. So I wonder if we'll start seeing like college assistance, just get hired two pretty high profile jobs in the NBA because they're running more innovative styles. And you know, the team wants to get the first mover advantage. So one one thing that I've noticed, and I think I I've talked with this Kevin Clarke, actually, so the average three point percentage this season is actually down from the past what five seasons right by by small amount. Right. By about one percent. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I I was wondering if if it had anything to do with the fact that just every single position is taking more threes now. And so you're having a bunch of senators who probably haven't really had a lot of game experience shooting threes now attempting them, and so the the percentage might dip a little, but I'm I'm wondering five years from now if everyone is kind of acclimated to this style of play like does percentage go up or does it stay? More or less same. And I think that's also getting to charge this point about how maybe defenses are evolving. A Ben Falk had a great piece at cleaning the glass last week where he was analyzing the bucks defense and the bucks have a good defense. But they give up a lot of three pointers and he drilled down into like the exact players the bucks were allowing to shoot threes. And for the most part, the reason is the bucks have done. A very good job about identifying. These are the shooter's you need to stick to in. These are the shooter's you can new let shoot. So I wonder if teams will continue to to figure out those like more team specific strategies, maybe that'll change in the playoffs when you can really home in on a roster over a seven game series. But I think over the course of an eighty two game season. I'm not sure how viable that is for all thirty teams to embark on. Yeah. In two I'm obviously like as the years go on there's going to be fewer and fewer players where you can say, oh, let's leave him open shoot threes. So I liked about this piece too. So I did a piece this week on a Josh Richardson and how he's kind of grown as a player this season and a big jump for him as he's gone from taking like four three Sogame till like six and a half three game. And I think what excites me the most about like the way the league is going. I feel like the raisin three point rate. It's kind of changing the model of what a star looks like because not only are you taking more three is less physically demanding. But as the four opens up it becomes easier score inside for guys who aren't quite as big an athletic. So to me five ten years. So now, I think we're gonna see more stars in the league because stardom is not going to be as dependent on physical ability as it is. Now, it's more about skill and that can be developed and younger players one thing that we've noticed from the very higher ends of of the sport. So. We've seen James harden. We've seen Paul George average ten or more threes per game. We see how that's affected them. I think one thing that charts your your Josh Richardson feature really hit on was the fact that this overall mentality has kind of impacted players way further down on the totem pole. I love that. It's a trickle down theory of threes. Yeah. I just ran the numbers. I looked at players who are six foot ten or taller and they're shooting percentage. Actually hasn't changed on threes that much even as they're taking a lot more. So one of the numbers I had in my pieces that players six foot ten or taller five years ago took about four thousand threes in a season. You know, that's guys like Burton of its ski players six foot ten or taller now are on pace for about eleven thousand threes. Let's an increase of almost three times. But their percentage actually hasn't budged that much. So I actually agreed with your theory Danny, but maybe it's just random variation. Yeah. It seems like it charts. Did you? Want to hit up this this four point shot? Yeah, we should talk about that real quick. So what do you think about that? As like way down the line doing that's an people. With homeowner for a while now. So the four point shot maybe like thirty thirty five feet. Do you think we could see how would that be possible? If anything I think that would work the geometry of the floor, even more because if you think teams are already drifting back to twenty feet and beyond even without the four pointer just because players can shoot from that distance out just because that opens up more space. I think if anything if you say, oh, you'll need just step back to more feet and get an whole extra point. I think that would change the calculus even further. I don't know if this is just a random blip yet or a sign of things to come. But when I was looking at the shots from twenty eight feet away. So those are not as hyper Senate shots as those right at the three point line, of course, so throughout history every year team or the league was below thirty percent or around thirty percent on shots from twenty eight feet or beyond this year. So far there at thirty four percent. That's a pretty big difference there almost. Shooting as well from twenty eight feet and beyond as they are from like every other three pointer on the court, and there's a sample bias there because only certain players are taking shots from that distance. But if that percentage continues to creep up, I think if anything will just start seeing like teams running their offense of sets as soon as they crossed half court line. And I think it makes sense to because like you listen to remember shack cut a quote the other day where he's like a follows the league. Now, I'd be like Yoenis, and you think about like shock came into league, really slim, and he got bigger and bigger as time progressed. But nowadays like the big men are trying to stay leaner. So I think eventually you'll see more and more bigs with let Janas like a bullet cover space ill almost half the play farther out just to get any shot off right shack kind of like put on blood or just to take the pounding of being himself. So with you know, that -fensive rules that have changed since then. Yeah, I'm pretty sure he would've stayed lean. We're on Akito diet now. But I feel like the four point shot thing kind of boils down to one thing. How convincing was Ray Allen's performance in celebrity game. Do you think do you think at the four point shot of the game? There's a deep cut celebrity game. Scouting. I don't actually know the range in which that four point shot was taken it the suburb celebrity game. It did look very far. Like if that's if that's the actual line. I think like steps going to be averaging like forty two points in like five years that did there's no reason it could also help older guys. Like there is the ESPN piece from earlier this season about how LeBron James as he's aged has just started taking deeper and deeper threes because he doesn't want to expend as much energy on often can't go because he can. But, you know, Steph curry ages is not like collusive shooting touch. So I can imagine like thirty eight year old Steph just moving twenty feet in either direction jacking, well, I not guess not threes, but four pointers why I think either way as we're talking about even at the four point shot just the value of the deeper shot with a geometry floor makes it valuable like if you can make five foot shot. Should be taking them, right? There's my take for them. It's the idea that there's no bad shot from Steph curry anywhere on the court. Okay. Cramped one final question for you. Let you go. It's twenty Twenty-nine. Both Luca Danni church and trae young are thirty years old in the prime of their careers. How many threes are they attempting per game. Ooh. That's a really good question. Are we assuming there's no four point play for now? It's. The force. I think they will be attempting lake twelve to fifteen threes per game may be on the higher end. Depending on what team they're like. James harden this year, I think is a good example of that where he's setting all sorts of records. But I do think that's partly just because he had no other choice. So I'll say I'll say around fifteen per game. So Bill they'll be were harden is now basically there. Larry Gillman harden? Head of his time. Amazing. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. You have absolutely and you can find all of acts analytical brilliance of the ringer dot com. Please readers work because it's really fantastic. So once that's obviously adhere to this three point revolution is Milwaukee. And we seem to talk about them ad nauseam on this podcast. We should. But it's yeah. It's only because they're really really good and really really fun. And that's why they're one half of our NBA watch of the night, the bucks. Visit the Lakers tonight. It's you can catch the game on at ten thirty eastern on ESPN Charkes. What are you looking forward to hear? I mean, LeBron verse Janas, you know, it feels like a new hope what Darth Vader and OBI wan or facing off in the death star. Now, the student has become the master. I love it. It's basically the team that has crews throughout the season without a single hitch versus the team that can't seem to make it pass a single post game without manufacturing new drama pretty much. It's truly a yin and Yang matchup. It it's beautiful. I physically robbed of LeBron Janas playoff series. I don't I don't know. It's going to happen. But that would have been awesome to watch those watch a real passing of the torch. We can only dream. But I mean, that's why we have. That's why we have this Friday game there, you have it. And remember if you want to watch every NBA game subscribe to NBA league pass on MBA dot com or your local cable or satellite provider. So I mean, the Lakers are like must watch. Now every night some crazy is going to happen lebrons and a freak out like this. Great stuff. I mean, the past five games. He's at what he's basically averaging twenty eight point triple double shooting. Forty seven percent from the field, you know playoff. Lebron has been activated or whatever. But well on offense at least. Well, hey, you know, if people are saying, he's a bad defender. They should just come at him. I'll here we go. The bronze quotes. So yeah, it's about that time. Let's let's throw an outlet pass the weekend. My favorite game of the weekend is also a game that's happening tonight. It's clippers kings the other two teams that are really fighting for that those final two spots along with the Spurs. The kings are two games behind the clippers right now the clippers have already kind of won the season series between the two but at this point every game is precious. The you know, they lost two very winnable games. Earlier in the week against the wolves against the bucks. Marvin Bagley suffered a pretty scary. Looking knee injury in the third quarter of that bucks game. But an MRI showed no structural damage. So we're looking at maybe one to two weeks of absence where did the king's go from there? I mean, I guess it's going to be Harry Giles. I think the really this game will be the battle of benches. So you look at the numbers the clippers stars have been killed the trades. 'cause they're starting like a zoo Landry Shamet s j a lotta rookies. Really there Benjamin winning games for them with Lou Williams. They added John Michael Green Garrett temple, right? And I think how those guys fair against the king's new second with the Harry without Bagley. I think it'll be huge in the skin. So last week we talked about how Bill to head kind of basically been vaccinated from the rotation. Do you think he comes back? I think he has to now. Right. It'll be interesting to see how they stagger. His minutes. I bog down because he's been starting lately. There's a lot of moving parts. That's these teams are a lot of moving parts of both teams. They both way change rush. The trade deadline. Yeah. So charkes. What's what's your pick? I mean, I gotta stick with rockets Celtics first off just post game. Forget the game itself to for those two minutes segments. Kyrie's media criticism game is on on point. This is always there for that. It's amazing. Yeah. It's it's the game within the game. It's the post game within the post game, you know, kyri K D LeBron. They're just all stars on a completely different plane of existence right now. It's just like every single post game interview. They give is just like gold. It's amazing. Yeah. I mean, it's great for us for sure for the content people. I think I asked for the actual game to me. It's Chris Paul so sense the all-star break, he's averaging nineteen points nine assists on four hundred percent shooting. Of course here that great game. That's Golden State last. When harden was out when a carry him to victory, and I mean at the rockets and make noise guy, I Paul playing. Well, we'll see if you keep going into Boston. Like, this is something to watch going forward is Chris Paul get back has he been sandbagging all season during it going now towards the playoffs. Yeah. I mean, it's it's an interesting match up for the for the rockets. Just because you know, you look at the Celtics. They're floundering right now. Sure. But they have everything that the rockets seemed to really covet in players that they just don't have right now. It's just like they don't have any kind of length or any kind of like depth in the perimeter. Yeah. That's for Houston was like if they play. Okay. See in the first round like Houston guard, Paul George like Iman Shumpert or Eric Gordon or something like they have no size in the primer at all. How they can how how it goes really important. I mean, you know, Gary Clark junior had his best game as a pro last night against the heat of Mehta, Gary Clark guy, I guess, but seriously, where's Daniel house. I thought like this was supposed to buy new. But that's where we're coming. We're yes, I always time for house talk. So I I don't think he'd necessarily qualifies for that whole. Where you have to sign as a free agent. There's the deadline for when you are eligible for the playoffs. I don't think he's quite the veteran that that applies to. But like where is he I thought this was going to be happening a week ago? They kept saying, oh, he's hopeful. He's hopeful to join the team just hasn't happened yet. It's tough because it's like what the agent they want a long term deal. I know Houston needs felt their roster to have guys on ten days are now at the end of their bench. So right. Where's where's Daniel house? Talk pata. In the data. I like, yeah. Like frigging Corey brewer had Corey brewer just got to mill guaranteed for the rest of the season. There's like, oh, yeah. For the king like two games. That's amazing bit. He got to know. So come on Tillman for Tito. Where are you? Let's do this. He's got to get some of those golden nuggets man come on Tillman hash some of those casino chips. Okay. I think that's all the time. We have for this week. Thanks as always for listening. Casey. We'll be back next week. So until then talk to you soon checks. Yeah. Have a good one y'all fun.

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REShow: Kevin Millar. Hour 2 (05-17-19)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Kevin Millar. Hour 2 (05-17-19)

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Give me a call back when you get a chance the Geico insurance agency could help keep your personal property protected like if danger is your roommates middle name, visit Geico dot com to see how easy it is to switch and save on renter's insurance. All righty hour, number two of the rich Eisen show is on the air. Kevin Malar is going to be joining us. Shortly matter moments here on the rich Eisen show is we're gonna turn our attention a little bit to baseball. We were very basketball having. I mean one hour in the conference finals portion of our calendar. We've got the Eastern Conference finals game tonight. We talked about that with Greg, Anthony, who in our number one, joined us to review last night's warriors comeback, when not from just fifteen down at half, but down eight with mere minutes to go on their home floor against the blazers team that needs to get one win on the warriors home floor. Certainly while the rant is out. Looks like the going to be out for the foreseeable future is definitely out for the games in Portland, including Saturday night with the warriors can go up three games to none. How about Anthony calling dream on green a hall of Famer I, I would have to agree with that. Bright. I think so. But I think there's a lot of people out there that, well, I mean you got Durant. You got clay, you got fame, little more lax with who they way and then some other halls on because they have more people in there. Maybe I don't know. I'll do respect to Jack Ma don't think of him as a hall of Famer because you didn't see him play though. I mean, let's be honest, come on. You didn't see him play. You didn't see him play how many games have you ever see Jaksic play Jack sigma 's in the same storied museum as Larry Bird Magic Johnson, but always all time greats like get outta here. Well, you've never you've never seen him play them. Now I have played. With Jack sigma on strata Matic basketball, he was amazing. He was excellent. He was. Excellent. And as you know, strata Matic basketball perfectly, did you ever play strata Matic basketball? Of course you didn't. What you didn't Bill self hall of Famer get outta here. What you Kansas? Saying the hall of fame of blowing tournaments. Oh, gosh. Well, brought by Draymond green. I think you can. I think you can understand why he mentions him as a hall of Famer Kareem disagreeing with. Okay. Great. And it's Kevin Miller on the phone. Okay. Here he is. He is along with Chris rose the co host of intentional. Talk five PM live from Fenway park leading up to the Red Sox Astros game on MLB network at seven eastern time. Are you in Boston right now? Kevin. I'm in Boston right now. I'm looking at this gray skies. I'm looking at some slight rain. It's supposed to stop here in the next probably hour. So the game will be not jeopardy, but she was on the field right now might be in jeopardy. What is it like for you to walk, the streets of Boston man was that, like walk me through, you know, what it truly, like we get out last night, by the way, Chris Rochas allow bright back out of Ritchie? I said, well love it. And so we, we got out like, like, we just got out of the car service, get the hotels about eleven o'clock. I think the restaurant closed and the bell was like, hey, could have you back? How you doing? And I'm not a recognizable face like I'm not fixed. What eleven and a half, you know, with a mullet that, you know, there's rain Johnson, Randy. Well, they just there it's like family like they left. They let the restaurant remain open. We got chance to quit get room keys and go down. And they have to cease right there. And we orders some clam chowder and lobster bisque and watch the of basketball games. Yeah. Because we were talking about this off the top of the show, Kevin with the Boston Bruins now on the Stanley Cup. Final and and, and how it started obviously with Brady beating the Rams in that Super Bowl in New Orleans. And then the Red Sox followed it up by breaking the curse with you in the rest of the team. And now how many how many final four appearances in sports, Chris, did you say since twenty eight twenty eight now Kevin I mean but it wasn't that way when you were trying to break the curse wasn't. Yeah. No, it wasn't that way. The patriots had one, I think maybe three or four in that in that three to five time, right though. They kind of got in the math. Red Sox won anything yet, as six years, we win. And also the Celtics got the Bruins. And then it became like now, the question would ask is Boston, spoiled this in the Red Sox last year. World Series champions, you had the patriots doing their thing Brady. And then you've got the Bruins in the finals like the Celtics they play. Good as they should have our look. I got that team chance when the starting to season, you know, and they never kinda gone track in the postseason. But are they spoiled us the question? Well, I mean my, my mass, hold across the way here in Chris Brockman you. You just bristled at that question. You're spoiled. Why would you even bristle with the question largest spoiled spoiled, how spoiled how you bitching and moaning about middle eight years of misery the patriots for terrible forever? Yeah. The answer. The answer is, yes, of course, they're spoiled in Boston, you'd be kidding me. You gotta love it. If you're lost and fan you from Boston, there's no place. No city like it right now. Because it's it's truly amazing amazes me what Tom Brady is done over his career. And the Red Sox have won what? Four seven thirteen eighteen minutes four World Series in that span. And then the Bruins man, they just don't they don't stop. Kinda crazy. All right. Well, the Red Sox seem to ride of the ship this year. Right. I mean are are, are they on the street? Now best you can tell no, Kevin three over its back. Is badly plate right up to this point to last week. Let's say you know, everybody else talking about the hangover effect. And I don't know what the answer to that is. But we saw with because seventeen we saw it with the Astros and eighteen all the Red Sox. Now the first time weeks of the season. I think we are magnifying, every, every Chris sale, sale start, whether we've, thrown ninety one or eighty eight or ninety seven you know, April, but I think right now you look at this club. There were good ball club. Period. End of story. There are good ball club as it keeps up here in the east coast, family person, and get real small and Mukhi bets is gonna hit about three forty the next second half. It's just the way it is Benintendi, Vander, and you got Denver's over there. Nobody's even talking about leading the league in hidden so JD this group get good sales throwing the ball. Well, obviously struck out seventeen as last start seventeen we all want him to go back out, but that's not the way it goes these days, everything's magnified by number of pitches. And there you have well, you got the last two World Series champions, going out tonight. Obviously. In Fenway park in the Astros appear to be just as good as ever man. I mean they're fourteen over right now. Best record in major league baseball as you and I are conversing, what are their holes? Do they have any best you can tell Kevin? Bullpens lie out. Presley's been unbelievable and things got thirty thirty nine scoreless innings to bridge, the gap to that. So seventh inning game. They played it. They got great starting pitching. Garrett Cole strikes out everybody. Justin Verlander, seemed like the Tom Brady of baseball. He's not gonna age offensively. They're unbelievable. Alex bregman has this team just with a swag about him? So I just made your Springer who's a better hitter threat at the pump reliant. The George Springer. He sits up there. You know, battered number wanting put you dead center, anytime you have that. It's like they'll Ricky Henderson days. Right. And you just like you got power at the top speed athleticism. Michael Brantley was great addition, they're the best team out there. You know, the best team period. And, and what's disappointing? Is that division? How many games do they win the division buys they're going to be fifteen Seattle and angels. And Texas in Oakland like that's the disappointing. You know aspect about that. 'cause no one's going to contend with them. Seattle started like a house fire. Then obviously fell off in the angels fell off. And now that they're, they're circling around five hundred right now. And obviously with trout in Otani now back and hitting the baseball. You, you, obviously. Yeah. I mean, you're, I'm just trying to put some sort of sunny seen on the AL west, the AL central. I mean, the twins the biggest surprise in baseball this year. I don't know that the biggest surprise. I'm look back division. Once again, Casey was going to be good. Detroit's I'm gonna be good. The White Sox are still waiting for every prospect in the world to do. Well, they're not they're not ready to be the Indians or head scratchers. Right. They're trying trade Trevor Bauer they're trying trae. Corey kluber there you the beginning thing. And like you don't realize how fortunate you are tend to chance to win the division again. So it's almost like they push their hands kind of, like, we'll just go through the motions and think we're going to win this division as Minnesota was Addy Nellie crews and krone and making this lineup. Powerful base score runs. They hit home runs. Any resort. Unbelievable. I think most underrated player in the big leagues and we don't talk enough about him. They're starting staff now is makes you scratch your head and go do they have enough to maintain in dance that question in this division? I'd say, yes, I think rich, I think they have enough what they need to do, but they'll add a little bit. I think Rocco ball valley, their managers, a great job and the twins oranizations always done well with small market money. And so I don't think they're any surprised. I think that the Indians need to get kind of a check looking at mirror and say they're not. Kevin Millar here on MLB network on the rich Eisen show. Kinda give you an under the radar surprise team. Totally under the radar surprise team. How about the Yankees being ten over five hundred with everybody her pretty much one hundred percent at the season ended today. Ambonese Blair, the manager of the year period that staff you'll never third base. Coach got low hits. He's been working out. Looks good in his arms area. But I'm gonna tell you honest to God. They've done a great job. You haven't heard them. Complain one time they last thirteen guys on deal. And the vape real. When we were there doing the show that one bird just went on that day. I'm like thirteen think about it, and they've had just been nothing but a double and triple A, you know, team they've been feeling fielding and then you look at her mom coming in and, and going for eighth win there tonight as a starting pitcher like they lose show Riano, their ace a whole lot teams have had worse luck than them and ten games over five hundred twenty six and sixteen. Like you said ABC game out behind the raise who've been playing. Good all year. And that just tell you how the engines are so, so if I had to give you choice, and I'm doing that because it's sports talk radio, you could build a team around yelich or Bellinger. Who do you do what you could choose? Only one yell at your Bellinger. Kevin -solutely tremendous question that. And you probably, I'm probably gonna shock you. Okay. Bellinger's a tick younger. Right. Oh, I would I would I would go with volunteer, because I could play him anywhere on the diamond almost it almost feels like I can play shortstop. You'd probably be my best shortstop keep plays. I he plays every outfield position. I think he plays it at a high level. I think he's gonna slow the game down as he goes, Kristen y'all's, one of my favorite though. I'm it's a great question. I'll go with the age younger Bellinger. But it a it's the coin, you ain't going wrong while I mean, here we are Kevin. He's, he's four years younger than yelich and. We're, we're just what are we about eight days nine days away from ten day? Sorry from from Memorial Day. That's the unofficial quarter post pole position of the season kids over four hundred. I mean this day and age were shift in, and we're, we're analyzing analytics this and you're seeing eighteen different pitchers in the game because this guy throws smoke. This guy does this, this guy does that four hundred. That's insane. What he is doing right now Bellinger, that violence, Wayne. And you just look at him. I loved like I love what he said before in spring training. I'm not platooning. I'm gonna play every day because teams are better team when I'm in the lineup every day because batteries have like thirty seven different lines. They have the right is vis vis net. And sometimes you saw him you know last last year we play lots of games, but I think he started whatever it was thirty five but he wants to play every night. He does play every he doesn't care lefty, righty. And I love that about him that was going into camps Serb. He's like, oh, okay. Really? Well, guess what? I'm getting four hundred also the first six weeks of the season. But I love players that believe in themselves. You know. And the better question is rich, when you say you're talking about, you know, a Ballenger yelich you sit back and you know where this conversation last week on pencil talk, like where's Bryce Harper fit in those cata, you know, those, those right hawks. You know, you got you got my trout. You got Bellinger. You've got Aaron nano you got round kunia junior in Atlanta. You're the kid Soto and C you know, twenty one but you start asking who would you start your team with, you know Bryce, you know, he's probably in the top ten maybe. But there's some players now then the Ellis's really kinda like they don't he's an MVP. They they go after him like he's not that good. I'm thinking this. There's got eighteen home runs. He was the most valuable player last year. You better start. He does locking in on Christian yelich. This is a good ballplayer bake. I mean leads the league in homers at eighteen but Bellenger leads an average and RBI, it's been it's been a it's been a lot of fun, so far before I let you go, Kevin argon intentional. Talk you. And Chris rose. Five eastern time from Fenway before tonight's Astros. Red Sox series starts at seven eastern on MLB network. Is it true? You're at Bethpage. Black yesterday. Is that a fact coven at the champion, I would win? I would win Wednesday beautiful helicopter ride over landed on the on the fairway. And the red course I believe it was absolutely awesome. Watched them on the driving range. I love watching drills. Like when you Vance's, it's awesome. I gotta kinda follow your your head bomb. You're throwing a few elbows. It's like sitting in the middle seat on south west. Like you're gonna, you know, you're gonna throw elbows trying and get that armchair book. Practice round days. Unbelievable. Because I like what are they working on? What's their putty Jones? What's there it was? Awesome. It was beautiful blue skies and flew back the network and had a chance to I felt like that was last bridge famous Robin. Leach watch. They just put a photograph from at came Alah fifteen on the screen. Is that salvo you and found out that Nicki fresh? We're just yeah. We. Names and stuff. I gained some rapid fires. You know asked them likes right? Who's the one golfer that would that you find in the nineteenth the nineteenth hole after imagine who's the one that talks most trash a lot of answers were filled Nicholson, he talks, the most trash. He's obviously the ones going gonna Latian bell on the line. Hey, I it was funny 'cause that was Nick's answer also guy talks most drags dresses, is was was lucky. And then he also said, Stinson is funny, stencils, really funny. It's not mad got a great and then there's another photograph if he can put it up on the screen as well when you arrived in, in Boston, I is that the famed Jack and coke as well. That was a waiting for you opponent arrival. So I got in about twelve o nine am live night. I walked in the room and it's just Hello. Mr. Kevin Malar. And there was two Coca Cola bottles by the way, if he doesn't love drinking coca that AM bottle and a little thing Slaski of Jack Daniels, and I'm like, it'll never go away. That's why love me some Boston a couple of shots in the sweep where the Yankees four straight, you're forever. Loved here. Jack. And which at one sixteen eastern time the following afternoon is still filled which one of those bottles still filled Kevin. The Jack Daniels are still filled killed. But I'm gonna tell you this at six. Oh, one when intentional dogs over the bed. Yuck downs ball might lose a little bit of the. Couple of fingers show. It'll be a couple of things shy. Okay. Very good. Kevin say hi to Chris love our chats. Always, let's chat again soon. Kevin Malar will network at came along fifty. Did we just have a baseball conversation? Like an actual baseball conversation. Hold on a minute. We're not talking about a ball Abroal. We're not talking about shifts when auto and we're not talking. We're not talking at all about unwritten rules. That's the I mean, you're not talking about the dreaded unwritten rules that we might get fined by the Commissioner, although I did see, I guess, a minor leager hit a double. Did you see this video hit a double? And I guess is. His teammates have been on him for not being in the weight room. He gets on second and he starts doing push ups when he gets on second next time up ball behind the ass. Pitcher Jack did manager goes crazy. Everybody starts going nutty these doing push up on second base. But the intent was not to show up the pitcher now he was west to signal to his teammates. Look at me. More is an extra-base head. You. Got it. Baseball so stupid here instead of doing it. And I'm like, I don't want to do it. We'll unwritten rules, you almost we did it kept shot five hundred today. He's four under with Daniel beaver say speak, pardon me speech, shot, a five hundred eighty he's four under in the clubhouse with Daniel Berger, and Dustin Johnsons in the clubhouse after going four hundred today to he's three under, oh my gosh. Let me ask you this question. But pardon me, I'm re misreading on. I'm misreading on the PGA championship experience leaderboard on direct TV speed this five under. Did you see all just covered up my mistake by giving home for direct TV right there? He went. He is five hundred. He went four hundred today. Same with burger Johnson's four under he went three hundred today or act. Tommy, Tommy Fleetwood, he just started he birdied his first hole. He's four hundred Tommy Fleetwood, Nagina week aimless Tommy Fleetwood Agean weekend groups kept us beef Johnson. Yeah. We would. I'm going to say this Fowler. I'm gonna say this is where a half an hour away from book Brooks. Kepco getting out there, K, we're, we're an hour where we're thirty minutes away. I'm gonna say this. If speak goes four under burger for under and dust, and three hundred people shoot. Well today, what do you think would executive? What do you think he's going to do? He might go run and hide. Yeah. He might force records horse records Zevon under going par on the par-five and he missed a five foot. Run eleven. Yeah. That would have put him so he missed out on three possible birdies there. Okay. We're keeping an eye on all this, and I promise you when I keep an eye on it for the future. We'll do a better job. When do you wanna do the news next or after Hank at the top of hour number three, I wanna give you dealer's choice when you want to do what our options for next thing next segment. There are member said that there's a possible rules, tweak instant replay. I'm interested in that. And also, maybe we can get into NFL draft lottery next what they're not doing that now. Talk about okay? Oh, all right. That's the dealer's choice. Yeah. Let's do very good. I have again, I think this is going to happen with the new instant replay rule where defensive and offensive pass interference is review -able, I think this tweak fixes. Everybody's concern about it. But we haven't seen an action fixes. Everybody's concern about it. That's next on the rich Eisen show. Every car comes with its share of stories that ding in your bumper. When you nervously picked up your first date the luxury package. You got after a big promotion or the mileage you saved by riding your bike all summer while you can't put a price tag on your stories now with truecar you can at least find out what your car's worth when it's time to sell or trade it in just go to truecar simply enter your license plate number, and watch, how your car's details pop up then answer a few questions, navigation and moon roof watches, they bump up your value. 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I love them. I'm very pleased won't get a lot of tech, you know. Well, good. I appreciate it. And so I guess if refigure is kept goes get about twenty two minutes away from teeing off around two. We should name him are Capital, One best life player of the week based on what we saw yesterday. Let's just revisit one last time what he did yesterday. Course record sixty three in the first round of the PGA championship, he's the first player to shoot, sixty three or better in a major in consecutive years. How about that ninth player to shoot? Sixty three in the open. Winning round of a major only to however, went on to win that week Jack in nineteen eighty at the US open and Raymond Floyd at the eighty two PGA championship. So how about that? Six of the previous eight to shoot an opening sixty three didn't win. That's incredible. I player record multiple rounds of sixty three and a single major third player to record multiple rounds of sixty three and any major, Greg Norman and VJ Singh everybody. And if KEPCO does become just the third out of nine players to shoot. An opening sixty three of opening round of a major and win that week he would be the first player in the modern era to hold back to back, major titles concurrently. Again, he's the back to back US open champ. And he would be the back to back open PGA champ going into the US open. What that's living. Your best life allows I will tell you that is living your best life, and it's brought to you by our friends at Capital, One Capital One as reimagined banking. You can open a checking receiving's account in just five minutes, and you could do it from the palm of your hand and you can do it with no fees, and no minimums. And then if you need to see somebody, there's a Capital One cafe. You gotta check out all the details by visiting a cafe or go to Capital, One dot com slash Bank or Capital, One website for details. Approval required offered by Capital, One NA member FDIC. So what's in your wallet k so according to Judy Batista, my colleague at the NFL media group, as we say, there is an owner's meeting next week? And when they go there they're going to vote to give the competition committee, the ability to without an. Owners vote tweak the instant replay rule. So if the owners, tell them go ahead and do it not means they're agreeing to do it. What is the it it, what is this tweet? Okay. So as we all know based on the NFC championship game with that awful, no call they at last owners meeting in late March, when I was busy, gallivanting, Italy, and pissing Brockman off by posting so many photographs about it the owners met Italy. I the owners met, and as we all know made instant replay opened up for reviewing defensive and offensive pass interference calls and everybody's flipping out because this is so difficult to get everybody on the same page as to what pass interference might be it is an interpretive call. It really is. Now there are. There's language that can help create parameters that when you see it, you know it. The question was now. It's gonna extend the game. It's gonna go on forever. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. It's the same number of challenges you have to know if your coach if I'm gonna throw a flag a challenge flag in the first quarter for offensive or defensive pass interference. Not only do I need to be right. Because it could cost me later on for not having a challenge. They in the fourth quarter when the pass interference, call might be its most crucial point. But also. I better be right that it's the right time for me to challenge the pass interference call. It's not gonna extend the the issue was last two minutes of the game. Because you could call pass interference on every damn play when somebody's winging it around try and come back and win a game. And men last two minutes and football games could take forever. And man, how does New York, no one buzzing certainly when there's ten games going on at once potentially in the one o'clock eastern window of, of a week. And man, how do they know when they don't buzz in? Is it going to be just as bad as the no call that we saw in the NFC championship game? Well. Are you on I guess the league is hurt you because the tweak is that the coaches challenges that normally go away in the last two minutes because it's all in the hands of the booth, the coaches challenges will still for pass interference come from the coach in the last two minutes who so you only for passenger only for pass interference, the booth will buzz in for everything else. That's reviewable. But the coaches challenges in the last two minutes of a game, we'll still be an effect just for pass interference. So you really better make sure. You've got one in your back pocket for the last two. You don't have a challenge. What this means is you won't see DPI challenged defensive pass interference challenge in the first half of the game unless it is so. Egregious. Right. Or so let's put it in that cell, but it would lead to points like say right inside the red zone inside the red zone and you can get, you can get an easy three here. Got to say this is a good tweet plug it. I told you too good to it's going to fix what in your like we haven't seen it yet? I I like it coaches challenges. Stay in fact, in the last two minutes, just for pass it to fear. Also. And hopefully these coaches who don't know how to use their challenges in the first half. All. Hold on to it, and not do, only moves might see fewer challenges periods 'cause you're gonna wanna hold on. About you. What checkmark while done like about maybe next week? I hope they do it because I think now, now we're kind of buttoned up here like that. You also might see fewer challenges period and. Yeah, play going on. Right. Move move. Let's go, unless it's really really of it's really obvious. Or it involves a turnover. It's like a crucial play that you need to have fixed. I like it. Now, I was going to be the first team to be out of challenges, and that blatant PI in the last two minutes, man. Well, I mean a blatant that, that doesn't get called. So you can't basically say, all right. I know I know that coach doesn't have a challenge. So I'm gonna just start hitting people. Well, yes has to be a non cohash non call. Right. Right. Right. So I think that all the unintended consequences in anything would be kinda removed, if they did that. Yeah. I think so. I like it. It's pretty good. Kind of surprised. They nailed that one. So we'll see. I mean next week we gotta see. Yeah, obviously got to see it also in practice on the field. I know that may be the unintended consequence that we are not seeing it. All right now. That's the that's why it's an unintended consequence on paper. That sounds good. Now, you know, me very well do, okay. Peter King of football night in America, and morning in America is there's so many football nights, and mornings and everything with him. He reached out to me, and I'll give them a preview. I think he's gonna come on next week to talk about it. He reached out to a bunch of NFL folk of which Terry, I don't want to call myself that if you wish to faces of the league face of the league, keep going keep going handsome. And thank you, sir. The grand poster when he goes on. I don't know too much money that's too much. And it just, you know, no one to say when Mike. Okay, I'm sorry. He reached out to me the story. Two hundred words on the change in the NFL. I'd wanna make the most. Okay. What do you think? I did. Well, it's the you did the fumble through the end zone goes give that man a peanut butter and jelly sandwich that he's been eating nineteen days in a row. He has it back there right now. Does he really good? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But rich here's the problem. You're the only two hundred words. It's not a lot like two paragraphs. I got point across. Economy of words that is that is definitely something I can do not your strongest but it seems my strongest give me give me two hundred forty characters that Cannella too. I mean, if you help because I definitely yeah, gotta think the soul of wit sir brevity. You wanna give us a little preview you don't need a if you know, us from doing it through the end zone should not give the ball to the defense that usually more often than not is on its heels because they haven't played well enough in that drive. But that backstop. That's the end zone is their friend. Yeah. November defending it I understand you're defending it. I get it. But the ball goes out at the one inch line. It's yours ball. Goes out. Two inches further one inch into the end zone in through its. There's stupid put it on the twenty yard line reverse touchback. Yeah, I use my two hundred words not only to denigrate the rule and try and get it out. But I made a suggestion on how to improve it because that's me. What are some of the other improvements, you think the league you know what, you know what I eight four four zero four rich, you want to call in and say, what would you improve? You want me to I have to midnight tonight if it's better than what my accent. I'm grinding. I'll, I'll write it up and give it a Peter King. You want to give me one that you'd want to change that you really have to get better than that. I don't think there's one that's more important because wait till the Super Bowl ends this way people, you'll be freaking out the whole country will be like, what the hell is that not? Everybody knows it. How though this happens several times a year because the Super Bowl is you have a lot of non diehards there. So wait a minute. The ball fumbles out at the one yard line at yours. Yes. But wait a minute. So the bulk goes in the end zone and out, it goes the defense. Yes. Why? Well, the end zones, very hallowed ground. It doesn't make sense. Guess what? A lot of the non-regular sought three boring. Ask Super Bowl this year. It was one of the only boring ask Super Bowls in the last decade and a half, by the way. Also next week, it's word is that they're going to award a couple of drafts like super bowl's, like the next year's draft is in Vegas, and they're gonna start extending it out and L. No further well. Which is by the way, extremely helpful to the remarkable event staff that the NFL has that has been putting on these drafts on a year basis believe they're like okay we're going to be in Philly next year. So transform the rocky steps in about nine months and go, go. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? What they did sit Nash dash. Nashville and fourteen months, so transformed Broadway and build a big stage at the, the banks of the river go. So if you give him like two, three years, heads up lookout. I'm here. And that's what's coming down. Right. I'll go for the south beach. I think. Hams hounds that the towns that they're looking for. And I know what you're saying south beach are towns, that don't have the weather or hotel capacity required for Super Bowl, so we'll give them the off season Super Bowl where the weather is not a concern because it's may or late April and not as many people coming as a Super Bowl. Yeah. So towns like Kansas City Green Bay Denver. I know the folks in canton were hurt every single day on. W. H B C O Cleveland being awesome. Well, no. I think they can't want it at home. All of the national football, the, the home of professional football, the awesome, the shrine of professional football. They got that new stadium and Baker now all the second I don't think David Baker wants it. When you think, of course, he wants it. Like Charlotte, I only question is, is how many times a day, does David Baker call? Roger Goodell, saying, I want the draft, the over under on that is two and a half, and I'll take the over. We'll let them knock on the day with pick. They would love it there and imagine and put the draft rooms. Knock on the door. Would we look at you work shopping Meridian? All right. Let's take a break, I want to hear what the hell you're talking about what this NFL draft lottery, which would be the dumbest idea ever. Yes, it would be. All right. And by by the time we're done with our next segment Brooks kept goes going to be smacked down a middle that fairway probably on the green twelve foot birdie. That's our role in here. Eight four four two zero four rich. Number two, Dow here on the rich Eisen show. 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We talked about with Milan at the top of this hour, old gen stat me here on the rich Eisen show. Give me a nice little old gen stats situation. Brought to you by Calloway, chrome, soft, which I think, was the ball that Jon Rahm was playing in the television only second. We should chrome off is the only ball to give you the combination of crazy long distance with incredibly soft field and chrome soft ax is now available with triple track. Technology at the ball that change the ball today. Callaway golf dot com. I we would have shown how to eat Kinzler is going yard but apparently he cursed the fans as he crossed home plate. Did you see that? He I think he told San Diego the same thing. Fortunately, right off the prompter many, many moons ago at cornerstone. But here's the old gen stat. The Padres won four three only the Padres can win for three and a half this as their all stat. This is for my buddy DJ out there. Daniel, Jeremiah you chair. That's GM. Be win last night, four three don't say that on this. He wants it. The Padres now have eight thousand and twenty consecutive games without a no hitter. Passing the to the one thousand nine hundred sixty two to two thousand twelve New York Mets is the longest such street to start a franchise in major league baseball history. They've never had another big correct. The Mets won everyone knows. And then you'll have. Finally did correct. That's your old gen stats. June starts. All right. Let's go to willan California. He's, he's, he's got an idea change for the NFL. It's will. Hey, will enrich our hits. Great to talk. Yes. Come back to you on the NFL communication about what you would tell them and I had to throw one into the hack because, you know, I really believe this is knowing the worst call in the NFL, I would say is the worst calling all spore, which is half interfering defensive pass interference running enough at point of the infractions that has just got to be changed. And I know they'll never change it. 'cause they just begged for more offense in the game on a game by game basis. But the problem with that well is if you make it a fifteen yard penalty like in college when a player gets beat, they'll just they'll just tackle a guy. I mean, they will just tackle him and throw them the ground. There are too many guys who are just savvy enough and veteran enough at thank if the call will the DOJ Rick that the argument gathered you go ahead. You does he still? I, I know that's the argument rich, but they do it in a college by get they do in the end because college I think college players aren't nearly as savvy or as thank you for as veteran as as as. As professional players. I think you're beat out down. They wanna make it a spot foul in the NFL for that reason alone. Maybe I'm wrong, by the way. Mike del tufo, who is day three of mentoring Jay who's filling in for you next week. Yes. Much slower trigger finger on the goodbye button. If you were at. Gone already gone would have been, you know, on teaching mentoring bedroom. No, no. I like to check I like the soft touch the soft touch. All right now, I give you the floor, you wouldn't she you want draft lottery. Chris, I'm just saying while they NBA draft lottery was going on Tuesdays, some of our fellow NFL media types, right, Kevin Clarke from the ringer, Matt Miller bleach report were saying how much they would enjoy an NFL draft lottery. Whatever I can I say to you, why not make the case against it. Okay. No. I understand the NFL draft has got to be bigger. This needs to be more buzz around the NFL draft. Think about six hundred thousand people showed up to Nashville to watch a reading of names. Not like the event needs more buzz to it. But think about raider with their three picks. Suddenly they have a chance at number one. But why do we need? Why do we need the possibility of the Green Bay Packers to pop up and be number one over his that would be amazing? It wouldn't what wouldn't be amazing because teams that need the help need the help the most and should get it. But it's sort of thought that they're incompetent enough to have a terrible record. All. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The last the reason why the forty Niners for second overall because their own incompetence or because their quarterback on a roster that needs more. Restocking. Lost. They're just had his knee blown out. I love Jimmy Garoppolo. Get out of balance, bro. That is not the reason to have a the reason why there's a draft lottery is because too many teams in the NBA and the sport itself can't be trusted to not or lends itself to tanking the ad the raiders the raiders were really trusted last year to not tank. The raiders didn't have the first overall pick or weren't above the jets because towards the end of the season with all those players that were starting because they were benching or removing or trading away, all their good players that did lead to me to say that they are in fact tanking those guys actually won a football game. Because in the NFL there's too many prideful men, their bodies and lives are on the line. There is no tanking in the NFL. You're not telling me the Green Bay Packers. With say two percent chance to win the lottery win the number one pick that wouldn't be amazing an awesome villa league. No, it would not there's already enough. There's already enough intrigue in mock drafts and already enough intrigue in the draft is already enough buzz about the draft. It does not mean they weren't going to take our Murray. So, you know, the team does still need a quarterback can still make them an offer to trade up in the thirty seconds. Do you really believe this or you devils advocating the all the way to the breading? He believes in order to sports talk radio show understand that. But I mean, I really believe this that there should be draft lottery that everything that did happen to the Zona cardinals last year. I'm sorry, Arizona enjoy, watching the Bengals get the first pick because the ping pong ball, bounced a certain way, are you kidding me? I'm saying if they tried it out for here. It wouldn't be the worst idea. Eight four four two four riches the number to doubt. It would be the worst idea. I beg to differ, Hank Goldberg winners in the Preakness. That's a great idea. That's what my kids say, wouldn't that be a great idea? That's next. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack? Your podcast one. Yeah. We talk basketball, but we're a lot more than just sports moves Feb. This lady shoes seven, it's knew everything about me, knew everything will sports and left, and she says, I love you podcast and laugh. 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I don't like to put my over as a gambler because I'm not one of a Hoe said that that does gambling and I have to myself for over twenty years but but yeah I will never sell a pick and I feel like in order to be a tout you kind of have the Celtics and I have no no interest in ever do however if you are out you WanNa have the voice that nick has and you want to have the energy because you you even know this you have that tout energy. Oh yeah well. There's no doubt about it. Yeah that's not have always been my deal even when I was a kid so yeah I'd like I kind of even before I started doing stuff on the air and you know I did it in college. Richard and I was off air for a while. Sirius Xm it was always kind of like that would be the deal when I get together economy like I kinda like not like lead the charge against the chargers. I guess it's actually Kinda Fair to say so I I kind of acknowledged that that's true. People kind of said it'd be a great salesman if I didn't do what I do now. So yeah I I can't really deny it but yeah no interest in selling independent or being a talpet. I appreciate the call and I've got the energy to be one a leader of the new school too. Because I've never really seen someone in your position. What do you call someone? And I guess a host but it's like a tout host hybrid either way. I've never seen one rock the risk that you will occasionally but not with easy's and that with supreme so good on Ya I jim thank you no no I You know it's funny 'cause I feel like and look fashions and the balls or right sides of the older so someone like I just got the parents of five hundred sawfish instead of which are like the five hundred is probably the ugliest easy. I think it's actually pretty beautiful. But after that got a Lotta people find it ugly and it's like this lavender caller and like I posted it on twitter earlier today and people are like this. Is the ugly issue I've ever seen people welcome binion's it's all good like I said fashioned in Tyler. The eye of the beholder people can look at what the way I feel like. I don't like that I looked at the way someone else rather than not like. Just because someone doesn't like the way I dress doesn't mean it's not good and vice versa. But I will say that. I think that you know I used to have less than zero style none whatsoever. I had no idea what I was doing. And now if you've got a good handle on it and I don't know if it's like my favorite thing in life what is up there. There's one of my favorite things in life like just like putting out the yet or buying sneakers so that I would say the sneakers are kind of the pinnacle of the whole deal from you right now. I'm interested I saw on twitter. That you bet your your giants fan and I know that you're very anti Shurmur and gettleman so you've been kind of you said you bet on the cowboys on Monday night. You're very just open about. I am betting against my team rooting against my team. Because I want these guys Outta here and I'm just curious like what you think about your giants like. I WanNa hear you vent about them. Because I'm team tank to dolphins fan. I'm team tank. So you're try. You're avidly rooting for them to lose out so they get rid of Shurmur cattleman. Oh yeah no I will be. And here's the thing. Here's what makes Sunday's game so interesting. But the jets. The giants fan base the giant fan base and the jets. Fan Base here locally where I'm at Tri State area. If anyone has a fricken morning jets fan should be rooting for the giants and giant. Bend should be rooting. The jets is going to be the only game in. NFL team should be the other day. Because you're a fan. You WanNa get out of the gate sell out of their absolutely dreadful and fans arnold progressing so if you were kept saying you you want Adam babysat and I'm GonNa try to get that enough. I hope the jets went fifty two nothing on Sunday. I mean that's the best scenario for the giants is January. Jones doesn't look terrible over the course of the season and they lose every game so Jones can be somewhat the kind of like the way you I wasn't working here. And that's like the Dangle Joan bashing done like people forget that when you lie replace. Kurt Warner Back in two thousand four five and four right. They had a winning record when he liked replace. Kurt Warner and you. I watched every single game until the final game of the regular season Sunday night. Football Against Dallas cowboys. I was at that game and I watched you at the end of that game audible out of a pass at the end of the dance partner to win the game and I remember thinking this guy's going to be really good so it's certainly possible for quarterback back to not one a lot of games and still have confidence in so that's my hope is that they lose every game. The rest of the Joan still looks good. Pat Shurmur is the absolute worst and like Mike. I'm sorry buddy but like I know like he's not used to be your coach. How the hell does that get another job like the? NFL is so disgusting and Nepotistic accessorised with a higher second like that will bevelled like down by the goal. LINE IN WII raiders. Game on Sunday action of four to the strength of the raiders. Stopping the run and Detroit's best running back has on injured reserve and staffer goes the ball back applied and Logan. Thomas who played quarterback at four thirty wasn't even a tight end in college football. That's the place that you call and it just speaks to the fact that he's is it just recycle one after another daryl level backup cold golfing. Pat Shurmur gets another coaching job. How the hell did this happen? He did a two against the Patriots down by nine minutes left. You've got your rookie quarterback. Let him go out there and find. I put a spin on the wall. Plus the football did it again on Monday down to sports against the cowboys. Poke holes like eight minutes to go like I is awful and settlement is the guy that hired him. He'd get you got to go running back at number. Two overall. The worst decision of all time said he was touched by the hand. The House that don't always news the hands of this. That'll then I added New York out of the giants front office. He he stops short. Your team sucks. I want them to lose every game. I think we need Jones to be good though right because we can't take another quarterback because we need you to be good but everyone else saw one everyone else out and I'll tell you that I know that things are up in south Florida with the dolphins right now. I would gladly gladly extreme situations because the dolphins at least have a plan plan to try and so completely ruttles men you asked him about the giants and he went off and and I know that he had a bad beat in there. What I love about gambling so much is is you remember? Like your recall of certain instances. I'm going to remember Logan. Tom Is being thrown at at the end. The bag game for several months after sure. And maybe for the for all the time so it really helps you out. I've always had this take with Stugatz on our regular radio. Show that I never want gambling to be legalized is because I just I'm drawn to the shadiness of it. The appeal the bad beats. I don't want I don't want you know Joe Public out here Joe Sports Fan betting on every game and and then all of a sudden. There's accountability for referees. Because he's all somebody on the NFL APP. No I want to take my bad beat on the chin. Remember it forever. Sometimes I remember the bad beats more. ENJOY HIM I get a kick out of him. Oh the bad beat the best because that's part of it and look. I think that you have to be an I. You know I'm thirty years old and I think my self awareness is growing a pretty strong degree And have to acknowledge at this point that there is a part of me. If we were GONNA probably chart. I think it might be more than fifty percent of the pie chart that kind of enjoys the misery misery like I I enjoy the pain that goes with sweat on an NFL Sunday. I enjoy it right. So like the chasing you with the Logan. Tom Smoking Thomson. I'll remember that forever ever just stick with the stuff and I remember everything comes down to sports like in Thomas. We'll get remembered how. `Bout I lost thirty. That lift legitimately thirty thousand dollars. Because because chasing Myers missed field goal at the end of the hot spots game. I have the greatest. Eff Lineup of all time winning fifty thousand dollars for like an hour and a half my girlfriend sitting on the couch catatonic. We're speaking on pacing back and forth like an wild man opened that any Russell Wilson throw goes to Thailand walking back on every play buyers makes that kick not only do. I never think I'm giving up all week like I bet early for the NFL right so last one day I bet the ball plus so I've won my bet but I'm on oldies radio. Show they WANNA have you on Friday and then I'm giving out the worst of the number but that's just donald like the the the beach so I'm giving it like four four and a half that bet you don't want that pissed me off. Because the boxer definitely covered anywhere best Seattle got really lucky but then began has overcome when the clown Myers Mrs Service with the game and then Russell Wilson and the overtime period every receiver on the seahawks. Not Name Tyler Lockett including some guy named Jacob Policy. I just the back rump. Because this was on the bench. And they were towards the winning touchdown and I'm just watching money disappear and I'm not talking ten dollars hundred dollars thousand dollars. I'm talking literally thirty thousand dollars in front of my eyes on Sunday. So yeah that was really annoying. That he's definitely sick and as far as the gambling being legalized things like. I love this whenever it was a couple of years ago. Bless your but gambling legalized. Now what the hell am I doing for the last fifteen years. I've portfolio two-decade. You're telling me that legalized great. I've been tabling literally my wife. Life is not changed. One iota. With all the league's legalization of gambling. You need better officiating bill. Mike would you need to better officiating. That's got to happen. There does need to be some accountability. 'cause like I think on twitter all the time gentlemen we are truly truly living in a golden age of terrible officiating in Sports. It's awful and Kinda glorious at the same time I guess and it gets billy. I'm kind of wondering what you pacing like a madman would be like if this is just having a normal conversation. Oh yeah so it was so this is kind of a a one off situation here. I've been with my girl for nine months now and she's only really seen meltdown prior Sunday one time and it was the NBA finals game. Five I bet the raptors nurse. They're on like that hundred seventy nothing wrong and the crowds going and Michener with apologies to Chris. Webber and the ninety. The three hundred championship game takes a worse time out in the different sports to tell them that the warriors come back in the game and I knelt down after that and I remember she looks at me and goes. Is this what it's like when you lose and I'm like it's good. It's all good. It's never liked it. And then she around Sunday like so. I've kind of got in the forefront of my mind right that like she's here right so I can't like full-on total meltdown. Because I care about her. I don't want her to see me like so. I'm Kinda like it was kind of like a quiet manic pace but I wasn't like walking around grab watering under my breath would normally so I man like it would have been if she hadn't been here like I don't even know what would have been like just being talking to get. We aint talking like call one hundred bucks. This was literally like fifty thousand dollars hanging in the balance so I don't know what it was like. I'm kind of happy. She was here for us to be honest with you. What is it? com- you legs you ever go to like color me mind and just like paint. Things would laugh. Like what do you do to relax. You seem very high strung. Yeah yeah so I go to therapy like like once a week which is great content. Listen it's my gift in my curse like I'm completely nuts and people will say to me like it's just can't you what you're off. Your Buddy wants to commend a day with me. You'll be saying I really am. I am high-strung for the integrate I analyze everything with my girlfriend. Believe and say to other people will say to be like your like your mind must be moving so fast all time. It really is so like I kind of as I've gotten older you know I've I've I've tried to temperate inserted ways so like I put a great emphasis now now on my mental health. So and that's and I'm not trying to say like like the press or anything like that. There's nothing wrong with that. Obviously but like therapy because it helps me talk through these issues because my mind I just moving so fast and it's always on a million different things you know what about other ways that you can maybe take the edge off. I'm talking about alcohol or other things you can do to. Maybe take the edge off that I may or may may not be a big fan of what you know whether it's walking Arbor here why let Stanford sitting looking at the water or just laying still. This'll be great. I can't believe I didn't lead with this and I told my therapist is a couple of weeks ago. 'cause he's like that he's like you've got a lot going on you gotta bring it down a little bit. I'm like I know you know what I on answering deprivation. Yeah I I get I get in my bed or I lay on my couch and I pull the covers over my head and I lay in complete silence and then complete darkness like simulating being back in the womb and it is glorious. I just take it down to zero and I feel like my proverbial tank start to fill walk again without those moments quiet and without those moments of peace which I never had before because I was always going one hundred twenty miles an hour. Like I'm uh I'M GONNA be in an early grave like being I'm being candid with you guys. I die early if I don't like calm down every once in a while. 'cause otherwise like you can't live like going on under you're twenty miles an hour all day so lane down closing my eyes silence for a long period of time. It's kind of how able to unwind. Have you tried like a weighted blanket. When you're laying down really like I? Should I do that. It's like telling you it's like a hug it's like blanket is giving you a hug. Maybe light a couple of aromatherapy the candles and you just relax. I need this man. This is gonNA sell felt like and again like I'm like grew up. I am the stereotypical New York Sports Fan. Like if you had told me he likes the seventeen year old nick like oh you know what you should do. You should lay down like some like lavender scented candles and incense jerk like more on like no chance. I'm doing that age where I've got an open mind again. I think I'm soaking wet. 'cause point to be able to diagnose faults right. I think I'm GonNa do this. I'm GONNA look until the way to like it. I need some. I need anything that I can do about me. Relax I need to do like I. I used to when I lived in south Florida. I used to go to get my haircut places. Coconut Creek right enough. I mean by my ears I do. I go to so I would get my haircut and then I would go and get like my hair washed like a woman in the store and she would always give me a little and she would say to be like. You're very very tense. Relax and I'd be like I am relaxant. She's like no. This is not relaxing. I don't know how to do it like I don't know how to not be physically. I don't know how to not be. I'm hoping at some points. I live long enough that able to fit your out but I have not up until this point. Maybe the way blanketed your your role mechanical. One way that I sort of unwind line I bet first period ten minutes team to score in the NHL. It's been on absolute heater. It's been a total breeze form. Is there any other sort of a market inefficiencies that I should exploit sort of like someone scoring in the first ten minutes doggy. Oh College basketball and like and this is not even like me like hosts nick also also talking. This is like on you better. You Bet on the show that I was forever. Radio DOT COM sports. We have all the oddsmakers during the week. They all say that there is no market. That can be exploited. We did greater especially right now when like all the sports are intersecting right now right so we got college football we got the NFL both in the hearts of the season and the A is underway now right NHL H.. L. is underway. We've got soccer as well champion. Great Chelsea I actually like by the way gets that was pretty relic and now. Yesterday there were like one hundred thirty college. Basketball teams like there is is literally not enough time for bookmakers to like put sharp numbers up for all these games so there's major market inefficiency now. I'm not GonNa lie you guys and be like I'm the one with the spreadsheet because I can't even operate excel. I don't think I have it on my computer so I'm not the one that to it. But they're all pro better is out there and they come on our show and they'll text me games and some other people the college basketball now before it becomes like every March when it's what everyone wants battle leading into the tournament lines are not sure there's a ton of value to be gleaned on a massive college basketball every day so that is by far the most inefficient market in terms of us being able to potentially take advantage of it. What do you guys feel and I kind of no how you feel? I know Mike how you feel because you often talk about doing it and I saw nick that you tweeted about how you bet the second half for your cowboy cowboys bet on Monday night and I'm curious 'cause his I always lose any time I bet a game and then I it's not going. Well I'm like you know what I'm GonNa Double Down on the second half I always lose. Is this something do sharks beds second-half or live or is this just like straight junkies. That are doing this. Oh no they definitely do and again. I think it's important to draw. I will never like misrepresent myself itself to the audience. Do you guys anybody. It's very important to all line between like someone like me right like I am not paid by my employers like to pick sixty percents I'm paid to entertain I am paid to host show so like I'm not GonNa lie to you and be like I'm the one that's just their college football Saturday in a dark room all day. Just like staring. Darren numbers until I see something that now. It's a big enough game. Like for instance last night we were talking about it on the show. Like if we get Kentucky at a certain number live. We're GONNA look to do but there are definitely people and there's definitely because here's the thing about live betting right it's an algorithm like people are not. They're not in a room like they are like deciding what the lions are going to be. Games like live like during like a commercial out of a basketball game. So that's just an algorithm bits. Bits numbers out and I think like the warriors in the NBA playoffs last year. And we're we all of last season there was the greatest Sir Quirky but NBA issuing. That was a major thing that people were taking advantage of even in the postseason because that market can be inefficient as well now again. I'm not trying to position myself as dude just sitting there in front of the computer. That's not me. But that is the way that pro betters really do gamble and we have a guy named Kenny White. Who Comes on our show? Every Tuesday the west of us who like on Saturdays. We'll watch games. Just spot where he feels like Dalom and to get the best of the numbers L.. Do I hear it all the time personally. No but are there are a lot of pro betters that do it. Yes yes yeah. It's great for value and credit to nick because I actually went live in game later in that cowboys giants game make and our Golden Goose Chris. Cody Golden Goose Golden. We're we'RE NOT GONNA. I think nick knows who. The golden goose is us on an absolute tear. But they were both telling everybody off it through various channels that this is going to be a relatively high scoring game. Maybe some back and forth and if it's going to be back and forth it's going to be high scoring then you know there's going to be opportunity to get value on the side that perhaps align is a little too big early on so yeah the the golden goose neck. Were right in the sense. Since you got you got a couple of guys you got a golden goose that I'm sure you have a couple of Golden Gi said texts you but on twitter. I'm not even going to say his name because I don't WanNa bring the bad Juju barstool reveal this guy's name and he's actually still doing all all right from self but when he got that one. Golden Goose you've got to protect it right Yeah I mean there are. There are a lot of people like this is just Kinda like just from. I've been doing kind kinda the sports gambling stuff to the degree that I'm doing it now but I've been doing it for six years now. What I was reading for bleacher report in two thousand thirteen and this is again? This is what I'm GONNA say. Truly like not out of criticism but we sure report or any entity for that matter like I kind of have them into a little bit letting me doing. NFL Pitch Column like a picture against the bread call because even then it wasn't as invoked nearly of course as it is is now or even a couple of years ago and again that was not meant to knock it just kind of like the way that things have changed. So I've been in this space for a long time and I think there are a lot. There were a lot of CD. People obviously biggest lie in any walk of life not just in this field but this Kinda leads to it obviously right but there are a lot of people on twitter in the sports media who are pro gamblers out of transitions with sports media. But I really think we're largely on the up and up and I think that there's a lot of right free information that you can glean out there now. I'm GONNA sound like a shameless self promoter right now which I am but like we have a lot happen on our show that come on and they give this information for free. You don't have to pay for it and like inflammation is rock solid. People were like proven long-term winters. It doesn't mean that they can't have a day or a week or a month on for they lose. But these are people that are GonNa win long term so I actually think that now as opposed to like even like five or six years ago or even like two or three years ago. I think there's a lot of good information from reputable the people out there It's not like it used to be so I think that there are a number of quote unquote Golden East out there that we can mind for information and also for money. Yeah Nick is a great way to get some of that information formation. His podcast is really good. You better you bet and don't be a freeloader. Like Subscribe Rate Review. Do that with the mystery crate as well. I want to get back into how you sort of kick back. I can relax and detach yourself. How often do you check your weight? How often do you check your phone on a given football Saturday or Sunday? Well I think that we can probably extend that question two days and why and the answer is constantly constantly on the phone I would say it's less the phone on Sunday and I know that I'm being a little like specific with the answer here but on Sundays. It's the computer and I've got one of the fantasy asks up dependency after because they show you literally great for gambling and it's great fantasy in addition to being a gambler like And I love gambling support. I am absolutely obsessed with fantasy football double digit leagues. Every year. I got a lot going on. People will ask me out sometimes like text on Sunday like like four thirty. Like how's the day going and I'm like guys. There ain't no way to answer this question because literally every single flight instruments game as impact on something that I'm doing so it's on it's like eleven thirty and the final game ends on Sunday night on the east coast. Then I'm able to really excel now Sunday's or like the High Holy Day for me now just guys about me and my sports fan. I'm GONNA obsessed with sports fan all all the major sports has been my entire life so the NFL has always been for me to try. and He's been my favorite speaks. Oh Sunday is a day. Where like I never miss an NFL? Something there are some Saturdays and I say this on on my show where like look. I got a personal relationship. I got a family like I. I got to attend took up some time. So there's a crappy college football card. They talked for half or three quarters of This Saturday I gotTa Watch that game. But there are some Saturdays and having your regular seasons Kinda crappy Where I've been able to say okay? I can miss half the College College football Saturday. Go Out and do something with my girlfriend and not really anything Sundays. I will never miss Saturday's if it's a bad guard okay. With missing a little bit because again I had to put my mental health. Make it a priority. I can't be sitting in front of the TV into the TV watching games. Twenty four seven for my have you had relationships and because of this no no no no I I give myself a little a little into with archer. One of this comes down to it and well you know I I. I'm Kinda like growing role. That really is not true. So I'll give you two not I would say the relationships didn't end for for that reason like but I would say that the tipping point the relationships ended both revolved around sports and both all provoked around giant Super Bowl. So I remember with my first girlfriend when the giants Lost Arabia to Super Bowl. Thirty five We were driving By where I used to live on Long Island and we're listening to the Wfan and they were doing some trivia contests and the answer to the question gwen Parker which player on the giants or whatever has lost. Four super bowls in Parker was an offensive lineman before built teams walk in the early nineties and they had some guy who's like I'm a huge fan. I'M GONNA get the question right. And he didn't know the answer he didn't really answer was one part for like stickler and I'm like Great Sports Trivia and I'm not I'm just saying that like I really am and I'm like in the car like idiot like I do not know that this guy thinks he's an expert and my girlfriend. Why do you always have to be so critical? Everybody and I remember Eber thinking in that moment. Probably ain't GonNa work out and then in two thousand eight when the giants Super Bowl forty two against the Patriots. I I am so high strung. Obviously right I unlike the giants winning that Super Bowl Kinda like. I feel like liberated sports fan. I don't know how you guys feel like when your team. Your favorite team wins for the first time like all those Yankee will Jewish series were great. I'm the bigger giants I on a Yankees Fan. I would've sold all those world series just beat the Patriots and that wants Super Bowl and not even thought twice about it so I was so on edge going into into that game because it's all I ever wanted a sports fan with a moment like that and I got it off the degrading than they did get later. which was awesome girlfriends at the time is like by the late? We invited ourselves to the Super Bowl party so it was my girlfriend. Cook twin sister. My Buddy was dating the twin sister and I'm thinking to myself. Oh my God this is like and this is kind of sad to say this is the truth at the time. It was the biggest day of my life February. Third Two thousand eight and my girlfriend is going to be sitting there. Wanted to talk about the commercials like Spears's wearing the halftime show or whatever and I couldn't deal with it and I literally canceled on the Super Bowl. Party went to watch them some of my buddies Sirius. Xm instead of that was the beginning of the relationship. It sounds like you don't regret either one of those situations. Oh No it was. The first girl was cool. She was cool second one was like she would have been badgering meeting higher game about nonsense and I would have absolutely lost it so listen in the grand scheme of things. Do I regret it now but like is it got to think. About retrospect all right nick hostels a host of the great podcast. You better you bet or his weekly video series on S. I worry makes him football. Pick some big fan of What you do on social media so we're looking at this late and I know you got pigs throughout the week and you're pretty public about it and like I said like you said you're not tout so give us something this weekend that we can make some money on all right? Well we're we want. We want to start with the NFL. Cardi we WanNa Talk College football I I got to college. Football picks that I really like the Mike College football back. Well I I think that the the the the game that stood out to me on the whole board with taxes against Kansas State. Now there's some value gone with the wind because Texas open to five and a half seven the last time I checked. But that's a classic like last time we talked to actually say we're losing TCU. We've seen Kansas state now. The last couple of weeks obviously upset. Oh you we had that on our show. We can't say it on the twenty one a couple of weeks ago. That was great so say Beats Oklahoma then. Kansas state goes and they slash Kansas last week less miles in the Hawk and that was after after Kansas coming out the window. Texas tech so people are high on Kansas State right now and people are down on Texas obviously but the line keeps going up and favor of Walmart so I would look to lay it on Saturday with Texas Texas as far as Sunday's latest concerts Mike I I hate to do this but there. I don't think I can bet on your browns. And so they fire pretty kitchen knives. Yep supporting finally learn your lesson dude. I'm so like last Monday. Man Like before they pull the game off the board when the FLACCO now so we came down. I dropped like a good amount of money. On Brown's plus one and a half and like it was fine because I saw one money on. DSS But it's like it's like the guy is actively making decisions in the best interest of the other team. You know that everyone knows the guy. I think he might be worse than to Jackie. And I'm not saying that we so no interest in taking the browns. I may end up taking Buffalo Bites and get three with the bills. Cleveland currently sitting at minus two and a half of that game on Sunday but recipe card on Sunday I bet the bengals a couple of days ago plus ten and this is kind of close. Your no special singles are hosting Lamar Jackson and the raisins. Now I would feel better about it. This is the sense that not one. I feel better about her too. Fancy Dalton quarterback because at least you know what you're going to get with Dalton but my in Finley Cincinnati new starting quarterback in all. Seriousness was very impressive. In the preseason I was kinda calling but in the preseason like at some point Dalton's got the bench. He's obviously not the guy that's going to lead to some of these super bowl. EJ Green is back now so they've got the full complement of weapons. One is still still garbage but again like Baltimore's coming off the big win that everyone saw last on national television against the Patriots. It's a huge reading a divisional game on the road. So I tend with the bengals the other day. I like the bengals. And there's another closer no special guys and this one may be a little hard to offer people. But I kind of like the Falcons cover the two touchdowns bread thirteen points. Whatever it is right now in Orleans this is quite literally actually got left after saying this on the show last night and baby? I'm ridiculous maybe the saints will win like fifty one seven. This is their super bowl. And that Ryan's coming back healthy here and I think that they wanna know like last chance saloon here to at least go out and put forth good at first divisional game. These two teams usually play each other. Pretty up I'm GonNa take the points with the Atlanta Falcons since guys and may God have mercy on my soul and one other sharp veteran you guys this week All the pro gamblers that we've had this week. All looking at the packers At home against the panthers thorsland the five or the five and a half and also looking at the Pittsburgh steelers as a three and a half point home. Underdog against Jared Goff and the Rams we WANNA see the weather report for that game if the weather is cold. Read what we saw Jared Goff last year son football and Chicago and it was called. The Guy can't function in cold weather. It's a full of Sunday in Pittsburgh I'm GonNa take those points Mason. Rudolph in the steelers. Excellent excellent stuff there. Nick thank you so much also one last thing. You mentioned your big fantasy football player and obviously you're noted Gambler. How often do these intersect with player? Props uh-huh oh quite a bit. I would say mostly on the island games. which was the games like on Thursday nights Sunday night and Monday night? I just got listen like this. What like people will say to me sometimes like well? What do you think about this and I feel like how many hours do you think there are today? Like how much time do you think I have to devote to this crap. Like I got a slip back and forth to the city and like deliberated really pays me and like exposures grades. We're not complaining about the job but man I thought has slipped back and forth. I do a four hour radio show ever and you guys know what that's like on a daily basis here like I'm Kinda Goes Jim. I'm trying to keeping trade. I got outside interests. Although there's just not enough time for all this stuff so the player props I will look at on a for the island games but I usually generally. We'll have a couple of my favorite or the anytime touchdown props so like for instance. The steelers dolphins game on Monday nights. I had the onsite Johnson plus seventy. I just felt like dolphins obviously are susceptible people. We see that all season Johnson had been there people now. It didn't work out how I thought it would. It would be delicious defense by Miami Party like the Red Sea allowing Johnson's. Of course I talked down but it did happen. That was what seventy so. Those are my favorite player Pasta and the NFL. We'll play or score a touchdown we act hit last week against the cardinals cardinals. Terrible against opposing tight ends. I'll give you one right now. Guys and I. I don't know what the number is on this. I have not. OJ Howard back this week for the Bay buccaneers and he's really disappointing. This season the hope is that now that he's back from injury. Famous played better last week. Our our can be involved. The cardinals are one of the worst if not the worst team in the NFL. Against opposing. Tight end. I think how it's going to score on Sunday so again. I don't know what that number is had it looked yet. But I think our two four touchdown on Sunday. And that's probably something I'll take a look at a man that's a bold prediction because oh Jay Howard has been bad. Also your bets this weekend. A lot of opportunity for Hashtag bad teams supposed to pop at that point in the season where you start writing off teams but because they simply can't be trusted our last question. It's a sneaker related question what's your stance ants on the fear of God's I know they're super popular and there was at sneakers lottery. I don't like them at all. Like get that you away from me. I don't care what Who likes it or what influencers telling me to wear it? What's Nico Out? There is a sneaker that you just don't get the hype about you're wearing some shoes right now that might be considered ugly and those new easy five five hundred. What's the worst shoe on the market? That's got a big deal around it. Man I got I got sizzling hot. Take for you man this one so good that you may you guys may need to have to take about Gibson. I Hate Jordan's I'm not not a fan. I'm a fan of basketball shoes. General life the reason why I think he's user so open. They're the most fantastic around the marcus. If goes for me and again like I said beauty's in the eye of the beholder. Some people may not like them but for me like there are two important things the sneakers dacre as do they look good be. Are they comfortable. He's a ridiculously comfortable. Because I have to boost our even the five hundred showing up but they are insanely comfortable. I'm not putting the pair of like like like Like polls Georgia's John us is on to walk around the city per day. You know what I mean either basketball sneakers. They're not like lifestyle seeker so for me I want I I had territory territory once. I told him I prepare us. He's actually I just have no interest in them. I don't think they look particularly good. I don't think they're very comfortable. I'm just I'm not adaptable. Super Guy. I gotta be honest with you guys like I like Air Max's but aside from airmax Zombie like or I like all flights also research lab blow my children to collapse I. I'm much more than a Nike Band. So I'm firmly on Titas unless he wants sponsor where you're sending for stop in which case. I am a huge Nike on the problem with them. They're not very. Are we comfortable. I haven't worn out there but I know a couple of people who have them. They're not very comfortable but they do kind of open. The pair that came out this past weekend the OATMEAL is one that you could walk basically with anything like this fan browner's caller so basically goes with everything supply point though there's three hundred fifty bucks and that's retail like the five hundreds and I caught this past weekend. I thought two hundred bucks. Whatever for me like three hundred fifty bucks so I mean we're parents sneakers? That aren't that comfortable. No way no Allan if there are three fifty at retail they're gonNA resell for like five hundred bucks on soft extra like goat or one of these other sites that set that selling sneakers. So if you're for me or a pass because they're too expensive and they're not comfortable here. We're comfortable I consider it but they're not And for me I'm easy guy for like old triples. I I want nothing to do with the Jordan. I don't get the fascination with Jordan's I guess arcs over Jordan's are hard. No like Randy drafter would say. That's an offer. Be Doc. I'm actually with you for the most part on the Jordan. They do have travis. Scott Clavel's great. I'm a big fan of the Jordan ones. I think that's a classic looking shoe and the eleven pretty cool. The price of one set up this weekend with the Carolina blue and the red. I actually Kinda like those. I saw that. Yeah they're they're good and they're also like the Jordan ones are great for custom pieces to the artists to work on them. It's got a lot of space on it so everyone just sort of. It's a classic shoe. Everyone's gotTa have a pair of Jordan ones except for decades. resells them for easies. All right AH no interest in a mandate comfortable and I don't think they look very good but that's me and like I won't criticize anyone for what they like in the same way that I don't think people do. This is what I like. But that's what's going to happen happened. 'cause giving star and that's just kind of I appreciate the heartache. It was good stuff. Nick thank you so much. Make sure to check out his podcast. You better you bet. Follow him on twitter. He's a great following although he's got unbelievable energy and he's got great bright future ahead of them makes the free press guy. Thank you guys very much in love the show. 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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 1 - Guest Hosts Doug Gottlieb and Bill Plaschke, Michael Lee (02-15-19)

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Dan Patrick Show - Hour 1 - Guest Hosts Doug Gottlieb and Bill Plaschke, Michael Lee (02-15-19)

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But filling in the ngelo Russell if you will replacing Dan Patrick come on. We didn't come to the game to see that area. Doug godly and Bill plash game. What have good morning to you? The legend Bill Laskey. I'm just Doug Gottlieb, diangelo Russel, I like that. There's a little de ngelo Russell seven every year. He's a here. All-star kid. Yeah. Let's empty points hanging out guy. Lakers. Actually, don't miss him. We can get into that discussion if you want Br brought to you by on CD AM g driving performance. Well, there's a bunch to get to Bill. I actually think the maybe get to know maybe say, no, well, I like, I'm not Catholic. Capper Nick is being is being jerked. No, no. I want to get to cabinet. We wanna get to Kenny G, and whether or not you thought it was a baller move for forced to Konya to hire. Kenny, gee, why would soom higher Kenny G to come over and play a couple of songs or Kim Kardashian, restaurant camper, Nick, and Kenny G you in the same sentence. Thank you for that. And then of course, you've got the Anthony Davis discussion which his own current head coach called a dumpster fire last night after the pelicans and beating one the game the Oklahoma City thunder. And oh, yeah. By the way, there's this. There's the video of in the in the first half. Anthony, Davis blocks the shot, or this is horrible may have heard his shoulder, and then gets gets an X Ray or MRI. And then leaves the building goes home doesn't come with. But that's not the video was him leaving the building with Richard Paul with Rich Paul escorted out of the building. Just like he escorted them trying to escort him away from the pelicans. It was the optics were not good on that. Rich Paul has done nothing. That makes any sense the last month that would make one think that he knew what he was doing. Okay. You know what? I mean. Let's we'll start there. Let's start there. Because I do think that a lot of the a lot of all of these stories you bring your own inherent bias. And I think it's I think it's only fair to live when you when when people parachute in everyone knows, Dan and the danettes and kind of if you listen to the Dan Patrick show, you kind of know where they stand on different topics because they've been around forever. But I don't think people know is for example, your before the Anthony. Davis for the Colin cabinet before for these stories that we have today in the Colin Kaepernick story is reportedly asked for twenty million dollars there to play in the af here in rebel said. He actually asked for a bunch more that story just he he he just dropped. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that upcoming. Let me start with Anthony Davis. So you go back a couple of weeks ago, actually, go back a month ago month and a half ago. And there started to be kind of leaks about Anthony Davis. Wanting to be a Laker being rep by Rich, Paul and the fact that he wouldn't sign that the two hundred forty million dollars except she extension you go back a couple of weeks ago. And now the sudden there's all kinds of stories out there, your reaction at that moment was what my first reaction was. I thought Rich Paul by coming out and saying that Anthony Davis wasn't gonna play for the pelicans put everybody in a difficult situation by second reaction is an LA times. Sports. Columnist was go get a magic go get them. So I was on both sides of the thing. But I do think that I was stunned. We because we've never seen this before we've never seen an agent and actual somebody on the record not a source not some Twitter bomb, but an actual rely rely persons speaking saying my guy's not gonna play there. You've mazal get rid of them. And I thought that put everybody in a difficult position with lead pelicans. And so that was my bias was Rich Paul was Trump was really trying to power play their boy this. Better work. I think the entire thing was a power play. I think they've tried to power play with Luke. I think they've tried to power play did were GD bus shut that down. That's a it's it's the coup d'etat. And so the like look this is by the way, this is what Phil Jackson said happens with the Bron James. You may not have liked the word posse. But this is what he warned you of why don't like to wear posse. I call him. Why? Because he's guys are brilliant businessmen. They are. That's still stunning how Rich Paul acted so foolishly these these are business. I thought he's as brilliant brilliant businessman. Well, you just said, he's a brilliant man, and he screwed homeless screwed up. He's he overplayed he's he's nine. I think he's tied. Lebron James is a Bill is billionaire. I agree. Look LeBron James is an unbelievable brand. And he has done he has done some amazing things. And how do we the brand got to be where it was because he's a great place or not a pasta. These guys were business associates of his these guys are smart business oceans of his they're just not bigger than the Lakers, which they found out this week. What's that? You're giving him credit for LeBron James like look money makes money and is athletes. We've seen lose lose everything. It'd be worth not look again. I agree with you in that LeBron has handled himself. There's never been an there's never been anything off the basketball floor to derail his nothing. Right. And that is and then he's been with a couple of exceptions on the best before markedly successful that. But like, I don't think it's because of the advice of Rich, Paul. I don't understand the idea. Like, why is he this is a little bit of the Magic Johnson. Right. Magic Johnson gets credit for being a billion businessman like is. He yes, actually, he is. Or is he because he's Magic Johnson. No this if that worked and how come eighty percent NFL players are bankrupt five years after their careers earth over. No that doesn't it doesn't always go hand in hand, you know, as well as I do not here. He's businessmen. Hold on Olen. Is is Kareem Abdul-Jabbar brilliant guy. Absolutely. Okay. Marcy, he lose all his he lose all his money. I think he he does all his money because all back Niang it all back. He lost. There's career does bar at one time lost all his money because he was with a financial advisor. Oh, okay. So then LeBron James doesn't lose his money because with financial people who are smart, and you're not giving them credit. The Rich Paul is on a financial guy. He doesn't. But they're they're all involved in that. No. I. Fan. I'm not big fan. Lebron right now. Okay. And I've been on record saying that. But you've got to give credit to his business associates his business. His brand is unbelievable. I I agree. But but having guys and look part of it is to some people posses a loaded word it is. I mean, it's not. It's just not posse is a group possible. Jackson used it deroga-. He he knew what he was doing. He said it. I know Phil Phil's another smart guy. Right. Well, this is that's all news. But he knew what he's doing. He said, okay. But he's he's not wrong. They they come in. And they hijacked the process. That's what they do. And they they enrich the process. Look, look what he's done I understand. But they hijack who. Well, I mean look at what has written. What happened in Cleveland? Like, look we really want to look at Cleveland. Was it a success because they one? Yes. Yes. Yes. It was a success. But but hold on they they had they had Kyrie Irving not yet in his prime. They went out and traded the number one. One pick because they had tanked to get Kevin love they want an NBA championship. And what happened afterwards? It would happen afterwards was is when always championship. No, no. It doesn't always happen. Not not right away. The Brown James wanted to trade for Chris Paul because he says buddy and the LeBron James wasn't. You know, wasn't happy with how he was coach. He's never happy with how he's coast, and they. Jambi LeBron jeans brilliant business, associate Rich, Paul got got Tristan Thompson and JR Smith his clients overpaid. But that locked up the Cleveland cavalier. They got back to the NBA finals again. Yeah. Of course, it does. Knows your phone LA would take that in a heartbeat. I understand but they're in the eastern in. Don't think boss. You don't think Boston was the boss was inferior team last year when they beat them in that game. Oh, absolutely. I told you they beat him in the Boston Garden. They don't they didn't have Kyrie's Irving or do, you know, the starting? What was the starting lineup for the Boston Celtics in that game? Like, we make it out. Like there was some miracle that Cleveland one they had the brawn and Kevin love and they came to the night. But I'm just saying you can't say LeBron just destroy Cleveland. Yes. He did let how do they how he went a championship there? I did. I'll take you know, he he can destroy LA. All he wants to the championship. Here a championship. What are you talking about? Well, again, why are we playing anything beyond that beyond the ring? It's about the ring. Well, it's it's it is it is a is about the ring. But but at at what cost at what price paradise. That's that's really the question. There n word is paradise Cleveland in paradise us that the same same. That's that's makes it worth. Well, look, my thing has always been. I do think the I think there's a lot. There's there's way. More good than there is bad with LeBron. And with his guys you want to say his crew, that's fine. Recru- is bad. Yes. It is Bill. Just stop it. Stop being that guy that you want to use every word and make it some negative connotation crew group of guys. How you roll your all deep? You have you Jeff Bezos has a crew. Yes. You think Howard show has a crew? Yes. Oh, they have a business associates. I have to have a team, but they have up saying you don't use those words for Jeff Bezos. Yes. Can I never anybody there going to Basil's in his crew rolling in here to the Amazon business boardroom? No, you know, you don't of course, you do if you haven't crew you say his team fails unless I have his team his group of business associates there. Okay. So. There homeys. That's there's no it doesn't have to be. If you wanna take every word and make it into all. Do you become the guy who's who's so far who's who's everything is not offensive? It's just not K. There's no offensiveness to it. Rich, Paul did not have he's he's mishandling this thing. Because he thinks he is more powerful than he really is. That's pretty obvious and he's own up. Only because his best friend is LeBron James. That's it. He's not powerful in on its himself. He's powerful. 'cause you LeBron James would have dumped him if he thought he wouldn't do them any good because the brand James is super loyal because they they are they are that close of friends. That's a good one of the good things about the brunch. Lebron James's smart. I don't know that he could on his own do what he's built without his team. I just don't know the done absolutely could have done. I absolutely. I don't I don't think. Okay. So look the point here on that one. The the point is Bill Plaski Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the danettes, but rich this was a powerplay. Correct. Correct. And so far it has failed miserably. And so we're left with take a listen to this comment. This is Alvin gentry who by the way, and you can tell me if I'm wrong as respected a guy as there is in the NBA, maybe not the greatest head coach in the world, but respected guy. I love avenue a covenant closer to clippers. I love him. The media loves and the fans love him. Yes. I would say he's among the top ten most respected people of any Elkin MBA. Okay. Absolutely. Let's let's see if he's happy with Rich, Paul tell you the truth, you know. You know, this whole thing has been a dumpster fire. You know, and it's just hard. You know, for guys, you know, we won't to be professional. We want them to do this. But it's hard for guys to go through what they've been through. When he says, we want guys to be professional that leads you to believe he thinks this whole thing has been handled unprofessionally fair. Absolutely. Okay. And then Rich Paul is in the arena. And oh, my God, my shoulder hurts, I gotta have it. Gotta have. I gotta have. I don't believe the injuries. Even I think there's a whole thing was a fake anyway, just to get him off the court. I agree which is again a power play against the NBA power play against New Orleans New Orleans pelicans. So I guess the question becomes you can't trade him. Now, we're past the trade deadline, and I believe this is from the people, I know within the Lakers is I believe that as you said, and, you know, this town better than I do, and, you know, the league better than I do that you mentioned Rich Paul China Power play to get Anthony Davis moved because he came out and said, he ain't gonna play for you. Right. And the pelicans met fire with fire and leaked all these phony trade reports because my guys in the Lakers like dude, we did offer Kyle offering cow Kuzina. Lonzo ball Brandon Ingram zoo, botch, Andhra fix and capital of like, nobody would not offering a Herschel Walker trade, we're not complete and total buffoons. Like, that's Anthony. Davis is a great player. He's not worth our entire roster. The positives within our roster outside of LeBron James. But it was their reaction to his unprofessionalism was them being unprofessional and poisoning the well of the Lakers. And now we're left with the pelicans being a dumpster fire. The Lakers being right now on the outside of the playoffs. Looking in Luke Walton struggling to keep his job where Jeannie has to come out and say, you know, leak as an unnamed source that Luke's gonna stay and we got a mess on her hands. And I'm asking you Bill Plachy, how do you fix it you fix it by LeBron James stepping up and being LeBron James? This is what I've written everyone. We've talked about this earlier this week. I've written the column about this whole thing can be fixed if the Lakers can act like the Lakers. Lebron James can do what he's supposed to do what he came here to do. He gets him in the playoffs. Then everything everything out here is calmed down. Anthony davis. Then the pelicans do not play him. He should not play the rest of the year. The leaves should give him a pass on that. It's so much of a mess. It is a dumpster fire. Get him out of that fire. Sit him down the rest of the year. Then they're probably trained to Boston in the summer. There's no way they're training in the Lakers. Now, there's no way Lakers are gonna ever get Dante Davis. No way bliss second. Anthony Davis is dad said he never ever play for the south six because leading now that was a another Rich Paul, of course. You. Paul comprise the whole thing. Chris Broussard saying LeBron James could play if it was the play offs. Who was it from from ESPN who said LeBron James would his you know, what I knew LeBron James is a love the the impact with his team has had on him. But I'm just sick of the way, he's behaved on the court for the Lakers. And I think Laker fans are to all right. We'll get we'll get to that. Plus news on the con- cabinet funny. Like, really, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. 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And Nick Swisher will tell us if the league is the the major league baseball is colluding to keep the which was going to say, what do you think he's gonna say, I don't know. But he'll say great energy, very tremendous. Yes, he there'll be a free broS there. They'll be me and him getting out on the tennis. He wants to play tennis with me. I'm kind of I'm in on that. He's like the greatest guy. I mean, he's like he does make coffee nervous though, it is. But it is hard to get a baseball player. Baseball players. Just don't seem to have that kind of you know. It it factor that he's got it. Yes. Wish is the best man is good people, by the way. Do you? Are you do you like the fact that the dodgers do not appear interested in signing, Bryce Harper? I do not like that. At all you kidding me. Eight billion dollar TV deal out here for the local TV rights making money hand over fist. They finished short of the World Series. The last two years the fans have invested in this team for thirty one years, and they can't put any money back into it and sign Bryce Harper. Yes. I'm very upset about that age age of. Yes. Absolutely. And he'll show you would be so so you just like, whatever if you give them if the ad and you pay the dodger tax write everybody knows there's a dodger tax. It's a lot like the Laker tax. Yes. Anybody within dodge like, yeah. We have to sign them. They're going to say like, look, it's L A. It's more expensive higher taxes and you can afford it. So the ask is, you know, ten years three hundred fifty million dollars our town. I don't know if you go that high. But I'm no, here's the thing. Yes. It is. Oh, how many people dodgers draw last year? They record attendance right gate it. Why do they need Bryce Harper? Well, if one thing they traded Yaw COP one thing he was he's the one star. They had this is still a snort. No they show up because they win. This is still a star town in the dodgers. They have the money to do it. And they have the money in Bryce Harper put him over the top and be that extra bit of juicy need to get to that win that one more game tumour games need, and he wants to spend money for it. And instead they they settled for Asia Pollock. It's settling. I think settling stop settling is idea of not not going your money. What do you care? Well one. Look, the luxury tax is is punitive. Secondly, like looks you want to eight Bill art, they have it in for people who don't live in L. You don't know this an eight billion dollar TV deal. That's so outrageous local carriers won't carry the game's over half of Los Angeles doesn't see the dodgers on TV. This is the price of fans are paying where eight billion dollars at a team is getting he will not they don't make any dollars in one year. No, they make. How many years is the eight billion dollars over twenty years twenty something you, okay? It doesn't matter. It's still big money. They won't redo the deal. So they're third raking in the money. Let's spend some more on the team they're using. Now, they did they did you have to spend it on pitching on bullpen like look if and the idea is you hired Andrew Friedman to run the team a guy who has done. It has done it, you know, bare bones with. And he's doing that. And he's trying to do that here with this team and working. While working you mainly you must be from town. That's okay to get to the World Series. But not winning no championships. They they have a great regular seasons. But in the World Series, they the last two seasons have been failures winded and failures they went to game seven of the World Series two years ago. And last year they lose to to another team. I don't really much for fans to demand that they do whatever it extra takes to get that last game this last two games. And Bryce Harper is not a guy a rightfielder is not a guy who gets you the last couple of games you win with pitching defense, and yes and timely hitting and like, look, I I don't timely hitting. Yes. Yeah. And I mean, there's not one guy team. That's sat because the analytics they set for twenty home run guys for two first game one and game to the World Series. Yeah. A nice Winston which which I didn't like. But again, they're the ones who have gotten a two straight World Series. So so you're you're battling the billionaires. So I'm Bob back backing the billionaire. Yes, you are don't. Oh, no, no, no, no eighty I'm backing people that are smarter than me that understand their sport based upon their numbers more than I do I trust their man. We know I'd trust. We'll do we do. We know Andrew Freeman would not sign Bryce Harper on his own. We don't know that he's taking orders from STAN cast. He's taken orders from his bosses. He's taking orders from the owners. This is on the dodger owner, Andrew Freedman, by the way, is brilliant. Yes. And he's done a trainer saying, you know, what you're saying. He's brilliant right on the other hand, you have gotten a two World Series a place. They haven't been in how many years since they had been in the World Series along. Thirty thirty since eighty eight right anyway, it was it was twenty nine years before the the thirtieth. So they've been to two straight World Series there in position to get in another one. Right. They've they've improved their out the improved their chemistry there. I would guess they're going to improve their pitching rotation and their bullpen. And you said, he's brilliant. And you're like, yeah, he's brilliant. But they're being cheap. Or maybe I didn't say he's being cheap. I'm saying his bosses are being. And that's because I do you know enter Freeman wouldn't sign Bryce Harper. He's not going to say that. It's not that he wouldn't sign them. It said he wouldn't sign him for three hundred million dollars. Sure, they could get him for for they they could come to a degree with Boers. And they're they're not going there. They're just not going there. And they should when we come to win giants. The giants are going there. The Padres were going there suck that the giant suck. They don't need to put it all their money in one guy. This. It's great to got the World Series. LA is not a second place town. It just isn't. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Out getting to two straight World Series and saying that somehow a failure is no they've failed. They got through. It was a success they failed in the World Series. Just like, in fact, y'all COP who I've had many many fights with and been fighting with him at demanded he betrayed and all that stuff. He'd nonetheless did say this a couple of weeks ago. He said, you know, what it's almost like we just play for an extra month for nothing. It was like it was like nothing, and that's the way fans feel fans have gone home heartbroken here for two straight years. And you're telling me, you can't spend the money to sign a player who could be difference maker. I don't I don't buy. That's because you're saying that's because you're saying Bill Plachy, you know, more about their business than a guy who you just said was was brilliant. No, we just much the patriots. And the the the genius to the patriots. It's not just that. They have Tom Brady, and you have your own Tom Brady and Clayton Kershaw. It is to all my God. They have Tom Brady and Bill Bill, Jack. Correct. But I'll radio. Also, most put also, but also the fact that Tom Brady does not command top dollar. So they can spread all their money around. That's what the that's the brilliance of to see the dodgers at least make more of a of a concerted effort to get a Bryce Harper now. Manny Machado, no way. But Bryce Harper. Yes. Okay. Okay. We'll get back. We'll we'll give you some way to hear the the the latest is Colin Kaepernick story upcoming which which which which we did Bill Plachy Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the danettes. Let's welcome in Michalis senior NBA writer for the Michael last night in New Orleans, a guy who Alvin gentry who everybody respects. Everybody likes comes out and admits this has been a dumpster fire. He talked about professional guys he asked guys to be professional essentially eluding to what's happened with Anthony Davis and Rich Paul has been unprofessional. What's your reaction to what you saw? And what you heard coming out of New Orleans. Wasn't amazing that three franchises can be wrecked by one trae requests to the few look at what happened with the Lakers since his how they've all faltered look at the pelicans and just how that whole season just crumble, and you look and just recently with Boston and just how they were on a hot streak, and now they stumble, you know, after you know, stuff came out about Tyree. So just one one trade requests can can rock the whole day. But I I just feel like it's a sham. You know? I think that the moment they didn't pull off the trade the nation of just been allowed to just shut down Anthony Davis if he's not fully committed to being a part of the program, then he shouldn't they shouldn't play them. You know, we've seen situations where Jared Smith the shutdown Chandler Parsons been shut down. I've seen it, you know, stars in the same skill of Anthony Davis. But if he doesn't wanna be there, then it doesn't bode well for the whole team. Nobody wants to participate. Nobody wants play hard. And you saw when they got blown out by our Landau. It's just there's a cloud now. And that. Not going to be removed, unless they just, you know, remove this whole situation, and that's really disappointing because Anthony Davis had, you know, probably one more impeccable reputations of anybody in the league before this came about. But he just completing this fire miscalculated one how the Lakers were going to be able to get him into. How pelicans we're gonna play the game. And they clearly playing Michael. Hey, Bill, plastic good talking to you, man. What's? So whose whose fault is this? Well, clearly, if Anthony Davis is fall, you know, I mean, because we we can look at it and say, you know, LeBron Rich Paul and everybody, you know, for sort of, you know, you know, creating this whole thing, but he's the guy that hired him, you know, for this purpose, and I think that that sort of that everyone at -ticipant at the minute happen. I mean once he left that as former agent and went this route. I think you know, the Tennessee went off and was like what's going to happen here? And I think that if anything was going to do this the right way, though minute he knew he was gonna fire at that. He should have just went ahead and. Manage request in because there's no need to be give you a half-hearted commitment to the pelicans this season because he's looking at roster. I don't see how they should have been as bad as it been this year, especially if you have a player of his talent, you know, tr- holiday, Julius Randle. You haven't found at pieces. You didn't have just flop surrounding him. You had some quality players, but they can sense whether you're all in and I think last year when DeMarcus cousins went down you saw at Davis play at this superhuman level. He was carrying them. He's putting a forty twenty rebound games. Like, it was nothing. And I think that you didn't see that kind of effort, and I think that just affected from the beginning of the season sort of felt like he had one foot out the door. I think it kind of falls on him. No matter what I mean, you know, rich positive and what he can try to give them LA. That's what he wants. And he did their best, and they they misfired. But but I think in the end it really comes down to the star. Because he's the one that pulls all the strings and holds all the power are. So Michael you said there's three. Rec teams. We know. The pelicans aren't getting into playoffs. We know Boston is gonna get into playoffs. Do you think the Lakers make the playoffs? And if they don't you think the bronze legacy stained? I think that they make it because LeBron I think that they'll figure it out. You know, I think that you know, he's he's you know, they were good. They were fourth team in the in the west, you know, before he got hurt. And then they they know things going to sell the par while he was out. And I think they'll be able to figure it out if they do miss it. I don't think it's gonna hurt his legacy. I think his legacy is pretty much intact. I think it will hurt his reputation among a Laker fan. And I think that's that's really what matters, you know. Because they they didn't you know, if you're gonna come join the Lakers, you gotta be about elevating that franchise and about taking it to the next level. You can't just go there as a retirement home. You know, just gotta be a place that you elevate. And I think, but I think people will still recognize him as one of the all time greats, but it's probably going to retire. But all time leaves scores. Don't have everything else. Missing. The playoffs is not a crime, especially if you're in your sixteen season. But I think the Laker fans del it'll be much tougher for them to embrace him. If he can't at least the liver on the basics which just get into the playoffs when you come in with so much height. Yeah. I just wonder I think we all operate, Michael Lee. Our guest senior NBA writer for the athlete. Bill. Plachy? Doug Gottlieb in for Dan. I the days the man and the danettes here on the Dan Patrick show on FOX fuck sports radio. I think there's a lot of us operate on the assumption that he's like remember that old thing the Clapper by clap on. After your. House. I'm aware of that. Okay. Okay. It's going to have a couple of glasses of wine. He went on his personal vacation, go also break, and then all the sudden bam. He's back. I I do wonder if he how much of that old gear. He's still has like he's a better shooter than he used to be and his basketball. I q is through the roof. But he does he has an at least this year consistently moved the way he used to move. He doesn't play defense the way he used like a we sure that he still has that in the bag after all this trend is off the tires. Yeah. I mean, it's it's a fair question to ask, you know, think that if you come back, he's sort of been playing, you know, you know, some caution, you know, but you look at his numbers still pretty incredible numbers of, but I guess sort of answering the question again, you know, about his legacy. We don't I don't think anybody really holds Michael Jordan's last year's in Washington against them. You know, he's still regarded as but he like, Michael it. Let's be on he retired. He retired. It was over. Over and he only came out of retirement. That's not where LeBron LeBron is right. Not at all. I guess I was saying that, you know, no one holds against him in that respect. But I I think that again, he also went to the wizards, which is the franchise to had no history to have the legacy that had no, you know, reputation for being, you know, just kind of the gold standard for, you know, for the sport with the Lakers. The Bryant has to step up and deliver you know, 'cause that's not a franchise. I mean when you have five years without the play offs and you come in. It's like the savior you have to deliver. And I think that's that's that's what he has to do. He has to deliver. And I think that he's going to do everything in his power to come through. I think the all star break be good for that group because we have this young. And clearly this fragile you know to do with all the trade. Rumors and speculation that made it very unsuitable for them. But I think maybe the break they come back. Regroup Luke Walton is maybe feels a little more. Secure because they have a fired him. I think they have the talent, you know, to to come through and make it. I mean, it's not like the teams ahead of them are just so great that they don't have a shot. I I just think they just need to kind of get past this period where everybody was on the basically have two teams on the tree block. And now, I think they'll be fine. Michael questions being asked out here in LA. And I want to ask you the pew in. Maybe you can assess you Selena what the NBA landscape thinks about the question, we still want to know why LeBron come here. Why do you think he came here? Think he came here for his business and display basketball? What getting his business built or you think he really came here seeking seeking another champi. Thank you came for all of the above. You know, I think he came for the best place that could maximize, you know, just what he can offer, you know, you know, from a special standpoint, and, you know, LA's a great place. It is a great place to retire. We don't want him to retire. He said it was the icing on the cake, if he did well here that really rankled people. Did it did y'all yet? You sure you agree with that? Yeah. Absolutely. But I think that you know, he he wants to win there. And I think that's one of the reasons why you know, he wasn't sweating, you know, and the star player if they already had it lined up that AB wanted to come, you know, I think that's if you add Anthony Davis, your whole French has that the authors. Of course, you're franchising in allows you to extend your your your your run a championships, you know, chasing championships. I think if they were able to land Anthony Davis look LeBron let differently right now the affect that. They they weren't able to get him. And that that whole situation is now soured Anthony Davis reputation and split the Lakers sort of in a tailspin it all it looks very bad. But I think that he came in there with a game plan. It's it just now it's failed and he has to kind of regroup and take another path. But I think that primarily it was you know, all about the it was about this. It was about. About being a liquor being a Laker elevate him in the base for the being the greatest because he would be part of that legacy playing in the franchise where you have will rain and all these guys kinda of end argument. Yeah, he could add the Laker fan base to his side of the debate. At being that go to your retire there as like all timeline score and everything. So I I think it all comes together. Yes. But it is it is fast. They take a listen. This is Scotty, Pippin Scottie Pippen went all hot take. But I do think it was hot take. But hoping hold on. I'll I'll actually validate. I know a superstar gay who I've had drinks with who in in privacy of our own conversation said the exact same thing wasn't that. I because you're telling us about no, I'm not telling you. It was the exact same thing about LeBron. Take a listen to Scotty Pippin. He's not what my goals as a player. He's not even what Kobe Bryant was as a player. So. When you talk about trying to compare Michael's instinct, his ability to take over gains, his ability to want to have that last shot, the moralize, you get a living hell outta LeBron doesn't have that, gene. So Scotty, not in him look. So that look I don't I do think that he's taken over games. He has taken more thinking. But you've got three ring then he came back from down three one question is ability. No. But, but I do think that there is at the very in the in the real discussions of the great NBA players. They're like, wait. You kidding me? You didn't come to LA to win a championship. You don't step on every every floor thinking, I am like that's the he's wired differently. Like the idea that he would come here for his brand and not with one sole intention, and that's to win an NBA chips, even Wilt Chamberlain who's who's seen as a colossal choker at the very elite level against Bill. Russell ultimately finally won a championship. He wasn't the best player on that team. But it didn't a championship. You mentioned all these other guys like and the idea that he didn't come here. Win a championship to me. This legacy to me. It hurts his legacy. Absolutely. And so many things he did in Cleveland Michael helped his legacy because it was about pursuing that championship. I just think it's a massive misstep to say, I'm not chasing anything. Why are you playing basketball? You only play basketball to win basketball games. That's what they is not fair to compare him to Mike because you know, I always say that, you know, Mike them wanna check it was one in the game in the bronze number of check. This was not always just to win stuff. Look good. What went in and collecting a lot of stats in the process. I think the fair comparison is Wilt Chamberlain. It's always has been Brian because he always has been the biggest advantage sky. He always has put up statistics that blow your mind, but he's not always going to be the one that winds up with the trophy at the end of the day. And I think that's that's more of a fair comparison because I always say if I want to win a game, and I got to pick between Mike and nj. I mean, I'm Jay LeBron. I'm taking Mike because Mike was going to try to cut Schlicher next. You know to try to win the game, right? The bronze objective has always been different. And I think that that didn't necessarily mean that he is a bad thing. Right. They're just different people found, but always thought there will was the fair comparison in that respect. And if you look at look back, and we'll you go on to L A. Actually, they want to go there when the championship, but they had Jerry West there. They had. There. Lebron went to a team that had Brandon Ingram and Lonzo ball like you when he went there. You knew that they weren't ready when it championship. But I think that the fact that he was trying to pursue an Anthony Davis, you know, right away. And I'm sure there's someone to do everything to try to get the star to come there. Eating just go there just to just have fun. He clearly had an objective. But this this thing blew up in his faith now. And I I think that now is that a group, but but he's got a save space. But some thing I'm not chasing, the anything that that's more of a pride thing coming out than anything else to me. Michael a great writer for senior NBA writer for the Atlantic. Michael. Thanks enjoy break. Thanks so much. Join us. Oh, yeah. Thanks for having me. We Bill Blass YoM dug out this the Dan Patrick show, Connie west pulled it interesting move yesterday on Valentine's Day with Kim Kardashian. And I got like a hundred questions I'll pose several to to Bill Plachy next in the Dan Patrick show. Everybody's got it to do this. I get one for my wife drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some mill. 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Back when Lamar Odom was with Chloe, I wrote a column saying that she needed to get out of it. You need it to stay out of his business. Keep him off the show. She was emasculating him. It was it was it was I I just I just killed him. I killed her and I killed him. I mean, I I know he nearly killed him. Yeah. Yeah. But it was just I just felt like the Lakers were being affected by this. She was a distraction again, he would be on the show. They're making fun of him on TV when he's supposed to be a, you know, a rebound and one night. Anyway, I wrote this column when he won the sixth man of the year ward shoes at the press conference and she yelled at me and her mom yelled at me. And then though they got in the playoffs and. Lamar ELO called me over one day one after one in Dallas after game. He says he talked to and he said all right simple. Let's go outside. So we went outside the locker room, and I give him a lot of credit 'cause when players are mad, as you know, in your former player you like to yell at writers in front of other players it gives you the tribal gang up mentality. That's you know, they they take power being around their colleagues. So he said, no no school in the hallway the hallway. And he said, listen, he goes, you could write or anything you want about me in on. And you do it for years. And that's okay. Leave my wife out of it. She's still my wife. I love her leave her out of the story. I'll just say this. So so he's like he's like the great the great. He's got a lot of personal demons. Yes, he greatest guy ever comply, everything I've ever heard you've had more interaction with them. But everything is he's a sweetheart of a guy who just incredibly rough upbringing, and he's had a tough go of tough, go of it in his personal and at times professional life, and of course, trying to get back on his feet. And so that that only that only makes it. More clear to me, the type of human being that he is Bill Plaski dugout Rb ashes, bad or bad folks to be around. Okay. So Kanye west. Who again, a dude he he went through a period of making music, which is I think is good a period as as anybody in the hip, hop industry or in the pop music industry. Whatever you wherever you want. Whatever John are you want to put him in? But there are a lot of people that don't like cognac yesterday Kim Kardashian periscope or she just puts it out on her Twitter feed that they have. What's his name play in the cagey? Kenny, gee, k playing in a in a living room with no furniture and all in single roses in vases, and your reaction is what it was. Also you talking to me about Kenny. Gee, are you kidding me? I thought my heart swooned I bought it was great. Okay. So what's your questions? How could you? You're heading your Kenny. Gee, how much does it cost to get you to do that? I think you do it for nothing because their Twitter even want to like it there, Twitter and Instagram and all that stuff there's social media. So through the roof, you're getting yourself more publicity by doing that. It's making you more money in free publicity. I would do it for nothing fifty nine point five million followers for him Kurdish. Yep. I think if I'm if I'm Kenny, gee, I'd do it for nothing. How can you question? What is your? Why was there? No furniture in that room. Do you think they moved all the furniture out of that room or was a room with no furniture? Well, I've I've lived in both houses usually there's no furniture because it's all in the backyard, you know, getting getting aired out or something. So I think I think probably he took all the furniture out. And I think they probably have enough big enough house to handle the rest of the furniture. Okay. Do you did did they did Kenny g get in there? And then they put the flowers in there or does Kenny G have to kind of step over all the roses. Jeep my man. He's he's he's he's nimble nimble. He's very he's very athletic. Yeah. I don't think you do it for less than one hundred grand. I mean, it's I think you do for nothing. And I know you have to you have to because then other people like man, that's a Baltimore. How much Kennedy cost you like I thought he did it for free. 'cause then you become the guy that did it for free guide the different for AB. You say you did it for hundred grand. But you do for us. I think it was worth. It was we're talking about Kenny G on the radio on a national radio show. It's worth it for that alone is performance tonight in Orange County, and my wife just sent me a text, and we're going to see Kenny G tonight. Are you really no we're not going to see cake? Oh, come on, the return of Khan. Kapernick maybe not throw Patrick show. It's time to get in shape. With Ben greenfield fitness on podcast one. 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"All right you've been listening to the Crow Virus Task Force Breathing very latest update in the pandemic. Obviously there you're listening to Dr Foul Ci but also of course the vice president Dr Barks the chairman of the CDC Dr Redfield and President Trump also. And this comes on the same day. The United States reports more than fourteen thousand five hundred deaths related to corona virus. The White House Current Virus Task Force. is bracing for new hot spots tonight and they were going through some of those talking about specific areas Obviously The New York City Metropolitan Area including New Jersey and Connecticut and Rhode Island along with Philadelphia. Baltimore Washington DC. They're talking about a spike in cases in those areas as well the warning comes as there are sobering new numbers out of New York and New Jersey The deaths seven hundred seventy nine in New York two hundred seventy five in New Jersey. Just the past twenty four hours. I want to go now to our panel. John King Kaitlan Collins Daniel Dale and Dr Sanjay Gupta Thanks to all right. Look so we were taking a lot of questions and answers there The President of course was there for for a time answering questions as well John and you noticed a difference in the way he was a a sort of interacting and addressing the members of the press in the room. I thought it was quite remarkable. How measured even cautious. The president was yes. He was reckless and wrong. When he was criticizing voting Mellon voting works. It does not have anywhere near the level of fraud. President was suggesting yes he did exaggerate. Where the United States is on this day when it comes to wide-scale Corona virus testing but remember just think back in recent days in recent weeks. He's often but almost coming out of his suit. Agitating to reopen the country pushing forward publicly disagreeing at times or at least jumping into say. Yeah but we need to reopen when Dr. Foulkes your doctor. Berk say something. Think about how measured cautious was tonight. The president himself said we have to be careful. He said yes. The projections were down now. Not One hundred thousand Americans not eighty thousand Americans but still sixty one thousand Americans like she said. Hey that's still a big number. Make no mistake about it behind the scenes at the White House. They are hoping in three weeks at the end of April to be able to reopen the economy. At least on a limited basis but the president understands because he's listening to Dr Shane Doctor that that depends the New York numbers. Keep going down. How bad is Philadelphia's spike spike and these other spice and so to see the president speaking in concert with those visors keep your foot on the gas keep honoring the regulations? Let's be careful quite striking because we have seen so many times just the contrary and an incredibly so especially when you're talking about sixty one thousand as their estimate and again you know these are these are all estimates and I think we all know that right based on the inputs you have so so it could change dramatically one way or the other But that's a number that even a few weeks ago this president. What would have the first thing he said would have been the same as the flu and tried to downplay whereas he was doing the exact opposite tonight and Caitlyn on that front he was. He was not When he when he was asked specifically about the death toll Aminu model projections He wasn't very specific at all about wanting to open the economy. What did you make that answer? No he wasn't and I think it's pretty clear. Why because the last time he said a date of Easter for reopening the economy of course they blew through that date and the president now realized you know he was just saying there that they think could be the comedown of after they hit that peaked. Though it's not clear yet that that's going to be that date so basically he knows it's risky to pick an exact date without having data science to back it up. That is not something last time when he picked that Easter date. So that's why the president was so hesitant to say any day. He said he did not want to do that. He just wanted to base it off of what the models were showing them with the health advisers. Were telling him. He said he was going to rely heavily on them. But of course Aaron while we're looking ahead what date is going to be also have to look back to see win the administration. I started responding to this and the president was asked about that. Abc report that shows that there was a military intelligence report in November. They said that warned about this contagion. That was sweeping through the Wuhan area and the president was asked about that. He was asked about those Navarro. Memos that we talked about yesterday he was asked. When did he first learned of? Just how serious this was going to be. And he said he realized the gravity right around the time when he impose travel restrictions on China. That was January thirtieth. That was one day after that memo from Peter Navarro is dated addressing the president though the president is saying he did not see them was not briefed on them because he said Navarro since a lot of memos though it raises questions because that was right around the same time the president form of the Corona Virus Taskforce and imposes restrictions. And of course as we read those memos they pretty much detailed specifically what we are seeing. Play out now in the United States. So you know you also had sanjay the president. Talking again about the Anti Malarial Drug Hydrochloric Win And and obviously when that's paired with E. Pack You heard Dr Faucher here just going through that. They are allowing it obviously to be off label. Because that's that's allowed to be done and also saying there's four trials including one on it being given sort of a head of infection to hospital employees What do you make of that? And where they are on that the president continuing to tout it coming on the same day that cardiology groups tonight are issuing a warning about the very severe damage that drug can do to to somebody with known or unknown heart issues. Yeah I mean. This is a little bit more clarity on this. I think for the for the first time really to to sort of separate this out because we knew a lot of these treatments a lot of these doses of this drug. Were going to various places. But it wasn't clear to me and I've been making lots of calls on this Whether all of these institutions were actually treating these medications as part of a clinical trial or they were primarily just using them off label. And I guess what doctor was saying exactly how you described it. Aaron is that it's both now you know so it does. It is GonNa make it confusing because those patients who are receiving it off label aren't really part of the trial They're going to be these anecdotal reports. I'm sure but We do know that it's going to be trialed. And healthcare workers as a prophylactic drug and also at different stages of the disease mild stage of disease moderate and more severe. It is interesting because it is a medication that suppresses the immune system may work to sort of prevent the virus from getting into cells in the first place and You know when you look at those things it does sort of make you ask when when would it be most effective perhaps most of the studies thus far that we've seen have either been in the lab or in Mild Patients? Aaron? So we gotta wait and see what the data shows I mean. I'm glad that the trials are being done And it sounds like some of them are being done in a randomized fashion so that should be good data sometime soon right and obviously the big question of course is is it gonNA save lives You know or or not you know improving the the outcome and someone with a mild case. Okay that that's nice and important but obviously you're you're looking here for something much more significant and dramatic. If it's the game changer. The president said it would be mind to get sorry. I'm just GONNA say keep in mind again. Most patients with mild disease will improve on their own. That's why it's been so challenging to look at these studies on Mao patients. Because you just you just don't know they've improved on their own anyway or not Daniel. You Watch the president when he was out there obviously answering questions what stood out to you. I mean there was one exchange. I know with our Jim Acosta when they were talking about the lines that we all saw yesterday. voting yesterday In in Wisconsin the point people standing for two and a half hours waiting in line to vote And the president again repeated his claim that Malin in voting is is fraught with fraud Putting aside the irony of the fact that he himself oats by mail One of the facts behind that the facts air inter that this president has lied throughout his presidency about the extent of voter fraud in this country and he did so again tonight both generally and specifically so the general lie was that he said there was a lot of fraudulent voting in this country. Every study has found. That voter fraud is vanishingly rare. When he was asked specifically about his claims about the extent of fraud with mail in voting he said evidence is being compiled. We'll get some to you well. He had a voter fraud. Commission that was disbanded without producing any such evidence. This just complete. Nonsense and then earned. The specific lie was about a California settlement with the conservative group called judicial. Watch and Troy already said a million ballots or something like that. He said that that settlement showed it was California. Admitting that a million people had voted illegally. And that's not what that settlements that settlement was about a a more than a million inactive voters who were still on the rolls it said nothing at all about any of those people actually voting illegally. They were basically dormant registrations that California agreed to get rid of California. Made no admission about voter fraud at all so this was completely inaccurate Which I think is a really important point because it was exactly the point that that he was making a million people tried to vote John King. Wha- What do you make of here? The other point when the president was talking about and there was just a lot of pushback from reporters in terms of This the sense of the numbers coming down in the model right that they're now saying possibly only sixty one thousand Americans may die and of course putting an only in front of that. Is You know awful to even contemplate because these are sixty one thousand lives but they had originally of course at one hundred to two hundred and forty thousand but but the president refusing to talk about the data that goes in that those numbers at least as far as I understand them are projected death toll in this country until August or up to August so built in there somewhere is some kind of an assumption about return to normal life a full return to normal life or something in between in terms of social distancing and they simply have not been clear to anyone about that have they. I I think you raise a critical question here. Erin about the next couple of weeks again. The president was much more moderate or cautious in his tone today about this. He doesn't like to talk about Americans dying. No President does standing with a camera aimed at them in the White House briefing room. He often has in the past deferred to the experts to go through the numbers and then he does get to them later in the question session but this is a moment where the president does see these numbers going down. This is a moment where the president is hoping that this is a much less depressing story. There's no good news here. There is nothing you site. Your that has good knows. He's hoping they less depressing story as we go forward and again behind the scenes he is pushing to try to have a plan in place to reopen the comedy as quickly as possible that would be in his view at the end of April however the models project the social distance guideline staying in place at least through the month of May some of them even longer than that so. There's a lot of tension behind the scenes here. You can see the president if you watch him on. Sean Hannity a different tone than in the briefing room. He does have a bit of an. I told you so to him. Andrew Cuomo didn't need educators did did he. They don't need as many hospital beds did they. But the way he said in the briefing room today was much. Calmer much less in your face if you will then. He says it when he's speaking to the choir on Fox News or even in the briefing room in past studies. There was just something different today. I think the President does. He said this very delicate moment. The death toll is still going to go up to the next few days. This is going to be an ugly week in America. So you don't want to seem to be happy at the same time. I think he knows behind the scenes and Caitlyn knows the dialogue inside the White House even better than I do that. He wants to get burkes on board three weeks from now when he wants to reopen the economy at least some if he's with them every day in the briefing room and fights with them every day in the briefing room. He's much less likely to have the president gets politics. He gets behind the scene politics and you could see today. He sparred with them sometimes. Today he made a conscious effort. Keep things down. I have goal in place. It's three weeks down the road. I'M GONNA eat my peas until then and then we'll see. Caitlin is that is that does that Jive with what you're hearing that he is trying to. I guess just to put it in Layman's terms. Butter them up. I think he's very conscious of when he disagrees with them when they break and they are saying two different things we've seen even when they're standing right next to each other because someone like. Dr Falcone is pretty blunt when he gives multiple interviews. The president knows that people listen to Dr Fouled. She that's why he hasn't come to most of these briefings because he always gets asked when she's not there where he is. That's something that president has remarked on several occasions privately so the question is really going to be what their guidance is going to be because so far. They haven't hinted what they think should happen. At the end of April there is no plan currently for what it's going to look like after that and of course things change quickly because it was just not that long ago when the president was hoping for that Easter deadline. He seemed pretty dead. Set on it. And where officials had to go with him and bluntly show him what these numbers were looking like the numbers that they had and so. I still don't think that they have gotten the data's where they can say. Here's what we can do. Xyz On this day. That is something that Dr Phil says. They're working for a very late into the night but one thing he did say that we haven't gotten any indication of what it's going to be yet as doctor felt. She said that they would in the next few days. Put out some new guidelines on how to return American life to normalcy and I think a lot of people are going to be clamoring to see what those guidelines are going to be and how it ends up if the president and his economic team and it's health experts are all on the same page on that I mean Sanjay. It would sound like if they're going to be having some again. The first question would be what is built into this number up until August. Are we building in some by the end of May suddenly? It's completely back to normal in the bars are full and the restaurants are on the beaches are full and the conferences are going on and the concerts are going on. I mean that seems. That doesn't seem plausible. But you you tell me I mean what is what what does normal mean. Well you know I think we got a little bit of a glimpse of it today because they started talking from the CDC. Dr Redfield talked about Getting some of these workers back to work And what that might look like in now this was for more essential workers but I think it's a little bit of a glimpse and you know some of the things will That he talked about where basically people taking their temperature every day before they go to work the employers taking the temperature of the employees when they arrive at work people wearing masks at work for a period of time no congregating in break rooms and and things like that Employers you know creating a better air circulation within these buildings making sure there's deeper cleaning within Were workplaces things like that. Now you know that that's more sort of these essential workers but I think that might sort of trickle into other workers as well as they start to return to work. I think it's going to be very gradual in some ways and I I do think that In some ways we have a very short attention span so you know this has been a wholly unique story but having covered other similar sorts of stories You know we will divert at some point and in this will and You know it'll it'll it won't be a sudden change but I think it might be faster than a lot of people anticipate but I think we're starting to get a little bit of an idea of what these things might look like. There are specific numbers and things that people want to see in place before we can bring people back to work. Hospitals have to be ready for potential surges. There has to be a really robust testing in place. So people can be isolated and their contacts can be traced. If you talk to Chris Murray at the University of Washington he even puts a number on it. He says there has to be fewer than sixty deaths per day in the United States. Like you Erin. I mean there's no amount of death that you can talk about. You know the seems reasonable but having to put a number on what he did and he says sixty is a reasonable number at which point. That's that's a low enough background sort of level that we think we can start to return people to work all right all. Thank you very much. You're about to fees Akil O.`Neil like you've never seen him before this show about my life just because I have more than the average guy doesn't mean I'm better than the average guy. Jack like all new Thursdays at nine on TNT as the corona virus pandemic has four schools across the country to close teachers are scrambling to get their curriculum and their students online. I'm poppy harlow in this week. On boss files. I talked to two leaders who are supporting those teachers students and their parents during this crisis Russia Johnny the founder and CEO of girls who code and Joe Holland the CEO of teachers pay teachers. They talk to me about how their organizations are working to help the most vulnerable students during this uncertain time. You can listen to the latest episode boss Files. Wherever you get your podcasts. And now more on the federal response to the pandemic which also just came up in that briefing frustrated. Governors in need of supplies are asking. Who's in charge? You may have heard one of the questions regarding Kansas. So who is in charge is that the administrator of FEMA is that the president son in Law Jared Kushner? Leyla Santiago is out front states. Have been told you're on your own. It's a wild wild west. We are running dangerously low on P. P. or those supplies are being diverted by the federal government nearly a month after president trump declared Kovic. One thousand nine hundred national emergency states are still sounding the alarm on supply shortages and. There's another frustration mounting among states understanding. Who's taking charge of the federal response? Fema has taken the lead coordinating role but with themes administrator. Pete Gainer largely out of the public view. One Congressional Aide Tells C. N. N. No one really knows. Who's in Chart? Who's making decisions? We were briefing the president earlier. He asked me to come out and talk a little bit. Trump's senior adviser and son in law jared Kushner has taken a more prominent role in the federal response at times taking charge unapologetically. I got a call from the president. He told me he was hearing from friends of his New York that the New York public hospital system was running. Low on critical supply called Admiral Pilaf checkup nature. We had the inventory. We went to the president today and earlier today. The president called a mayor de Blasio to inform him that we're going to send a month of supply in a letter. Two females administrator the House oversight committee is now questioning Kushner's involvement stating in part. It appears that Mr. Kushner is unclear about basic facts regarding the purpose of the strategic national stockpile. Kushner is one of many stepping in to respond to the unprecedented pandemic including others. Like vice president. Pence Rear Admiral pelote check and FEMA ADMINISTRATOR GAINER FEMA provided this video showing how they've chartered in more than a dozen overseas flights with supplies secured by private US companies. Half of it goes to prioritize. Hotspots they tell us. The other half goes to the private market now a source of frustration for states competing with others for the same supplies. What's happening is that we're having to secure a hopefully if we're able to get her hands on product from China from Australia whether it's ventilators P. and we're paying six to seven times of Christ that we would as some states compete others have turned to each other. California Governor Gavin newsom sending five hundred ventilators to fellow states including New York New Jersey and Illinois. It's relief for some progress for others. But with such uncertainty ahead states. Continue to say it's not enough Aaron. Let's talk about those prioritize. Hot spots deemed priorities by. Hhs AND FEMA they say that's based off CDC data. Fema however has not been very clear in giving those details as to exactly what supplies are going to white hot spots when it comes to the supplies coming in from overseas on those flights and that just makes me think about the conversation. I had with the Louisiana State official. Who said look? It's not the theme is not engaged. We are very much engaged with them. Have a long standing relationship remember. This is Louisiana. They went through Katrina together. And on a regional level. They are engaged in working but he pointed out that decisions aren't being made on a regional level. It's much higher and as a state getting. Those supplies is frustrating confusing and The decision making he says lacks a lot of transparency. That's a big issue. All right Leila. Thank you very much. I want to go now to Janet Napolitano the former Secretary of Homeland Security under President Obama and former governor of Arizona so secretary Napolitano. You've been on both both sides of this. I mean I'm sure you can see The from the federal side as well as the state side But you know when Layla there was just talking about the lack of transparency adding to the confusion. The president's son-in-law Jared Kushner who we just saw there he does not have any relevant experience in this sort of thing he has been Basically getting involved directly directing FEMA and H H officials to prioritize specific requests from people who spoken to. You heard her saying that gets a call. goes in and gets that supply for that particular place. What do you make of that? I think it's chaos out there And I think the reason that jared Kushner has been deployed to this is To fill a gap that shouldn't have existed in the first place. the moment that it was clear that the nation was confronting a pandemic. There should have been an immediate assessment of what was in the national stockpile and immediate assessment What the states ahead of their respective stockpiles. What the needs were going to be in a coordinated. Federal effort to procure the necessary masks and p. p. e. ventilators and so forth so that the states had a place to go to buttress what they had in their own possession and so they weren't having to compete against each other and then figure out who to call having a A disaster response procedure where you get supplies. If if you manage to reach the president's son-in-law Is just not the way a government is is is structured to act so you know. President trump has said the secretary repeatedly that nobody knew there would be a pandemic of this magnitude but of course we are learning. He was warned repeatedly In April of two thousand nineteen so one year ago health and Human Services Secretary. Alex said the possibility of pandemic flu is what kept him up at night in late November. Abc News is now reporting that intelligence officials compiled that report warning about the corona virus. And what could happen because of what they were seeing in? Wuhan about their great fears and in late January and February. Of course. Peter Navarro wrote those memos talking about a full blown pandemic. The President says he did not see those but during the time that all this was happening all the way up until the end of February. This is how the president was talking. Looks like by April. You know in theory when it gets a little warmer miraculous. He goes well. You may ask about the corona virus which is You know very well under control in our country we have it so well under control. We really have done a very good job so secretary. I know it's easy to be a Monday morning. Quarterback at presents warned about a lot of dire possibilities on a daily basis. I'm sure but but again you've been there. You've been a part of these sorts of things. Is it conceivable to you? That even with all those warnings just laid out but the president did not know how grave threat of Krona virus was to the United States. Look the president gets information on so many things on a daily basis it may not have penetrated his consciousness. But this is where The kind of you know three year process of of management gaps running the government which is a large complex organization. Comes into play? If the president didn't personally know they're certainly should have been people in the agencies who saw the coming pandemic and who were prepared an empowered to take appropriate action to make sure that the country was as prepared as it could be when the pandemic manifested itself on our shores. And they're just you know gaping holes in the administration now and and there are consequences to that you know good. Disaster response requires really good. Preparation and We just didn't have that kind of preparation here. No it was clear. No one was empowered. you know. Even if it's to your point didn't penetrates consciousness. There was no supply building going on there was there was nothing that when the the alarm went off for them to be able to do. Thank you so much secretary Napolitano. It's good to talk to you again. You're welcome I'm Tony Shibani. I'm Aubrey Edwards. And we've got Brian B. ROADS. On eighty w unrestricted desi was the first to tell cody. 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The state is still seeing a rise in reported deaths and the number of deaths can continue to rise as those hospitalized for a longer period of time. Pass Away with very sobering to see the increase in deaths. That's going to be a bad week for deaths and about sixty thousand. Americans are still projected to die by early August right now. We're not even a quarter of the way to that. Grim total and every number is a person. A story said Nobis Shepherd's daughter Leilani just died aged twenty seven. My husband and I both were in the room in In and I was able to hold my baby's heads for last time to see my baby. The new modeling also highlight some regional disparities projected deaths in New Jersey more than doubled to over fifty two hundred project. Two deaths in California down from about sixty one hundred to about sixteen hundred. We're looking very carefully at California and Washington to really understand how they've been able as a community of Americans to mitigate so well a new CNN poll shows the majority of Americans now think the federal government has done a poor job in preventing corona virus spread. It's fifty five percent up eight points in about a week. The administration also still watching hotspots popping up around the country. We are concerned about the Metro area of Washington and Baltimore. And we're concerned right now about the Philadelphia area. Some states now stockpiling malaria drug to treat covert nineteen. It's not proven to work potentially dangerous Florida. Expecting a million doses. Today Georgia already given two hundred thousand. I really think it's a great thing to try. Just based on what I know again. I'm not a doctor Adam. Jarrett is so we are using hydrochloric when but we really don't know whether it works and still we're told there's not enough testing going on all the lab directors could look in their laboratories if they have an an avid and two thousand if they could get that up and running we could double the number of tests that we're doing per day right now about eighty percent of them are idle over a million test kits sitting ready to be run. Well I hope that the federal government is doing more than you know speaking this at a press conference this is the key to opening us back up again getting these tests online so our antibody tests the white has says they'll be ready inside two weeks. That is going to be the bridge from where we are today to the new economy people who have been exposed and now are better. Those are the people who can go to work but for now still. This must be our normal. We have to recognize the progresses because people are doing the right thing. You're watching from Jersey. Please stay home. What does leadership look like in times of crisis? I'm poppy harlow in for the next several weeks. I show boss files is going to bring you. Conversations with business leaders who are trying to navigate the economic fallout of the corona virus pandemic. In real time. We ask how. They're looking out for their employees. How they're planning for a future that will undoubtedly look very different for their business. Look for new episodes of this boss files special series every Thursday. I hope you'll join us with a no-holds-barred election right around the corner. Take a look back at some of the most hard-fought presidential races throughout history the CNN original series race for the White House is back for a brand new season. Sundays at nine on CNN. And for this more optimistic modeling to come true. We've got to keep on doing what we're doing through the end of. May proof that it's working. Well Santa Clara County here in California. It was one of the first places to tell people to stay home. They were seeing cases double every three days now they say cases are doubling every two weeks maybe longer and they say that's because people are doing what they're told doing what they have to do Erin neck. Thank you and I want to go now and check in with an ICU doctor. Who's been on the front lines of the pandemic? Dr Lakhshman Swami with Boston Medical Center. He's been talking to US obviously throughout this crisis and Dr I I'm glad to have you back You know the last time we spoke you were talking about tencent fearful atmosphere at your hospital. How are you feeling now? You know it's a thank you for having me back. It's it's hard to say this but every week I think. How could it get more tense? How could we get more stared yet? Here we are. I was in the intensive care unit. Last night I was taking care of the medical ICU. That's a little over thirty patients. Most of whom are on life support the ventilators many I spent most of the night just going from one ventilator to another and trying to kind of tweak them a little bit to help people get a little more oxygen to help them get better aside from that it. It's it's hard because we're still seeing so many young young healthy people come in and get put on a ventilator. Last night I was speaking with with a young parent who could have been someone in my family and I had tell them that we needed to put the breathing tube in and we all watched while they called their their child home and said I love you so much. I love you so much. I love you so much and you know that was it. It almost reminds may not be appropriate but almost reminded me of those phone calls from from nine eleven where people are saying goodbye to their loved ones and obviously. I hope we all hope that we can get everyone better. But that's the terror and that's the atmosphere that we're seeing and that's room after room after room so you say a couple of things there that I wanNA follow up on. One of them is that you know people know that when you get hospitalized for this at serious they understand that But obviously there's people who are in the hospital who are able to get out without going on ventilator and then there are people who go on ventilators you know we we we. We've we've heard this study out of the UK. Saying to two thirds of the people who are going to ventilate don't make it in New York Some of the numbers that it could be as high as eighty percent Do not make it. Why is going on the ventilator? Such a severe step life support. And it's in a way it's just first of all a marker of how sick you really are. That couldn't live without it. But beyond that the problem is that the vendor ventilator it really it really takes toll on you so even a young healthy person who goes on the ventilator for days or even more than a week weeks they're not they're not gonNA come out of that the same as they were before it'll take a long time to sort of get over not just the physical trauma but really the psychological trauma to sit really is critical care and You know you also talk about how young the example you're given Giving that that example and of course everyone is hoping for that that parent but just how young people are they are? They're young and healthy people coming in that. Need this ICU. Later care. And I think a lot of people may still not realize that. But that's that's what you say you're seeing there's there's an understandably people are really fixed on the mortality right. Who's dying from this? How many people are dying? We don't want people to die right but it's not. There's so much more to the picture than that because I'm hoping that a lot of young people will not even if they become critically. Ill Hoping hoping that they'll survive and we're seeing that happen but it's a long course and they they get hit really really hard up here that we we had a young young patient die. Who's relatively healthy and it. I mean it shook our whole unit to the core so it's happening dodger Swami. I appreciate talking to you again. And your taking the time to share this With with people around this country to to know what this is really like. Thank you again. No you know we really appreciate it. We're here for you. I think you know in a safety net hospital. We're seeing you mentioned this. But we're seeing the the disparities of care and that's own so evident to us at. Who's coming our doors right now. I think we can't fix those. I think we can fix disparities and fixed social determinants of health. But whatever happens we are here for you. Whatever is happening there. Thank you. Thank you Dr Swami from the critical care the ICU to reopening the economy. That is the big question facing this country is is if and when president trump is making it clear that he wants to end the shutdown as soon as he can sources tell C. N. N. though that some White House. Aides are hoping to reopen the economy as early as may out front now. Dr Jonathan Reiner who advised the White House medical team under president. George W Bush continued as a consultant for the White House Medical Unit for years afterward and Austin Goolsbee former chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Obama. Austin do you think may is possible to reopen the economy? And I I guess your issue here. We'll probably be on the definition of reopen. I would say I have two things on that one is. The administration has really undermined the credibility for the last eight twelve weeks consistently saying we think. We're going to be able to open I dismissing that. It was a serious economic thread and then saying we would open by Easter and then say opened by. May I think timing wise is what you should base it on what you should base it on is? Do we have sufficient testing that. We can't let people out of lockdown without fear that they're gonNA get the virus from people who don't know that they have it. We have successful models if you look in Korea. If you look at Taiwan you look at Iceland. They've done enough testing that they can get outta lockdown if we massively ramp up our testing effort. Then that's when it would be realistic to come out in setting. A date. Is the wrong way to do it. That to reiner another thing that I know. A lot of people have been talking about is testing for antibodies that obviously there are questions as to what kind of antibody protection people really have. And I know there's a small study indicating that maybe some people don't have as many antibodies as as as as we would expect but is antibody testing mass testing to see who actually had it which would then pick up all the symptomatic people. Is that the way to do this. So if you were able to check the box that you had it you can then fully go back into the economy. Why I think it's a confidence booster to the economy and to individuals to know that they've been exposed to the virus and they have protective. Antibodies already in Europe. Antibody testing is commercially available in some countries. Even at home testing is available very simple test using a really tried and true technology such as what is used for home pregnancy tests that will allow people at home to essentially prick their finger and see in just a few minutes whether they have the antibodies in this test. That shows you. Where do you have? Antibodies that are produced early about a week into the infection and the later protective antibodies. That come a couple of weeks later. So that's GONNA come in. That's going to be a big boost but the notion that we can flip the economy on like a light switch won't maybe aspirational is just not realistic. It's not going to happen. It's going to happen in in Patches. In different places the viruses going to lessen in frequency and But it's not gonNA go completely and they're going to be hot spots and we're going to have to watch for flare ups so we're going to have to keep social distancing in place as well as masking is going to become a staple of the United States. A lot of has succeeded. Now we're going to have to keep in place going forward. I guess you know you're talking about for in that case. I would imagine many months correct at least until a vaccine. I think we're talking eighteen months to twenty four months. Okay so I think that's a pretty sobering for a lot of people Austin. There's also this question on the issue because You know you all mentioned Iceland. They tested their citizens and Of those tested five percent of the population one percent of them had actually had the antibodies the former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb today was Was tweeting an imperial college. Study from Europe right that was basically going through estimates and again these are estimates but these are what they think the real infection rates how many people had it so you have one percent and Australian Denmark. The the too high anything over basically one percent or three percent was only Italy and Spain at ten and fifteen just to state the obvious herd. Immunity doesn't even kick in two fifty to seventy percent so you don't seem at this point to have the antibodies anywhere to fully reopen the economy. I that sounds right to me and look at one percent. Think of it this way. The those those people become the superheroes because they're let's say they're immune to the disease one percent of the country's three million people the normal work forces over one hundred fifty million people. So you gotta ask yourself how much of our GDP can't be restored. If we have three million people can go back to work. I think we got to ramp up this testing as I say. There are lessons in Korea Taiwan now New Zealand. Iceland other places where they aren't in Lockdown Korea. Kids went back to school. But the the critical thing you gotTa test you got a track so that only the people have the disease have to shut in and actor. Reiner quickly before we go. I mentioned a very small study. We don't know if it's true or not but did raise questions about. Antibodies that maybe people who are symptomatic or younger who had mild cases may not really have those antibodies Raising the question of reinfection. There's a lot we don't know right. Which is where we have to continue to study this in a very systematic way. I'm always wary about initial reports as we acquire the data in this country will have a much better sense for that all right. Thank you both so very much. I appreciate your time tonight. Dr Reiner Austin and this comes as the pandemic is forcing small businesses to shut down across this country and many are not getting the help they need. Diane Gallagher is out front. It just feels really scary because it's so unknown you know. Lisa spooner and Kevin Clarke had been serving homegrown comfort food for ten years in Atlanta. The husband and wife team building up quite a following counting even the late Anthony Bourdain as a fan if you need a whole breakfast though old school full on than home grown in Reynoldstown might be what you need but across the country. The Corona virus has crippled the restaurant industry about two weeks ago. Homegrown had to temporarily lay off all forty employees. The two hardest calls ever made were letting our employees go and locking the doors. America's small businesses in the backbone of our communities the trump administration is touted the new paycheck protection program or PP loan as a quick fix for businesses like homegrown to whether the pandemic the three hundred fifty billion dollar government-backed low interest loan program is meant to cover rent utilities in payroll. If they stick with the program the loan becomes a grant leaving only the interest to pay back. It's a sweet deal if you can get it. We haven't really heard anything other than it's working. The money's getting out there but who like I I would love to talk to a business owner. Who's actually received some funds and how they got it and how their applicant? What time they put the application in after filling out multiple applications dealing with website crashes and a lack of feedback. Clarkin spooner got disappointing news. Wells Fargo the bank. They've done business with for the past decade announced Sunday it had reached its ten billion dollar limit. There's no guarantee they'll ever get to homegrown application wells fargo suggested trying a local community bank instead. Clark says they are on the waiting list with a rural Georgia bank now but they don't know when or if they'll get the loan we lose our business. I mean that's the worst part but we as business owners battle one another for the first come first serve loans in a world. Where any kind of delay could be the difference between surviving the next few weeks or going under for good. There have been plenty of problems for everyone. I want to assure all small businesses out there. We will not run out of money on Wednesday treasury secretary. Steve Mnuchin noted there are now thirty. Five hundred lenders in the system and says the more signing up each day the administration has said that it hopes. Congress will allocate additional funding. This week but for homegrown will it be time. Money is is our only saving grace. We cannot make it on our hopes and dreams anymore. It's going to take now today. Wells Fargo announced that it had received permission to increase its lending limits as it relates those SBA loans and while the administration seems focused on getting more funding if that happens. It's a big if that will undoubtedly help but a lot of the problems with the rollout are actually related to issues between the lenders and the federal government rapidly changing guidelines and uncertainty of made it tougher banks to walk those small business owners through the process. Aaron I did just get a tiny bit promising news. Kevin Clark said that Small Bank in southern Georgia has started filing his PP loan application. All right. Guess. You take the good news is you can so many questions out there. All Right Diane. Thank you very much and thanks to all of you for joining US C. Three sixty with Anderson starts right now.

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The Blazers Lock Into McCollum and Lillard, the Raptors Post-Kawhi World, and Carmelo Anthony Musical Chairs | Group Chat

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The Blazers Lock Into McCollum and Lillard, the Raptors Post-Kawhi World, and Carmelo Anthony Musical Chairs | Group Chat

"Hey It's Kelly and welcome to the ringer podcast network up on our site. The ringer is breaking down the forty best singles and albums from nineteen ninety nine covering Britney Amy Spears the backstreet boys Mariah Carey tons more and to accompany that piece we filmed our staffers discussing what they agreed and disagreed with from the article and debated what should should've won you can read the piece the ring dot com and watch the video at youtube dot com slash the ringer. The basketball is very good on Mooney is a Max player. The Lakers should hire Ernie Grunfeld. Why should sign with the warriors basketball is Gary alone? Welcome to the Ringer N._B._A.. Show I am just in various. Joining me in studio. Is Danny a child hit it. This is the grew Shah every alternate alternate title title <hes> This is Slow News Day with Kevin Clarke. We are Danny challenging barrier okay. It's a little long. I actually don't get it. It's a slow Oh Newsday Oh. It is a slow news day there you go see I am slow because it's just that time of the year you know yeah. We have nothing to talk. That's a great intro into the podcast Kathy. You're just about to listen to. We actually do have a few short things to hit on today. Carmelo Anthony will not go away so we're going to talk about what the future holds for our favorite Everett wing scorer but I I'm rich Jennifer who I like it not either of US personally but <hes> C._J.. mccollum is extra rich I guess as he was already rich so he's just even more rich yeah. He's wealthy now so C._J.. mccollum signed a hundred million dollar extension over three years on Tuesday that extension extension begins in the twenty twenty one twenty two season two so two seasons from now which I guess is how far in advance some of these players <hes> think about these things. This is not a Max taxdeal. Neither the years nor the dollars are maximum but it's pretty close to it. I believe he's only four million off of the three year maximum that he can get <hes> mccollum previously signed a four year one hundred and six million dollar extension in two thousand and sixteen so in total he is now under contract for five years one hundred fifty seven million. That's an annual all value of thirty one point four million when he put it all together Danny before we get into the big picture. Let's talk about C._J.. Deal specifically. Is this a good good or a bad deal for the Portland Trailblazers I mean I think it's a good deal for the blazers. You're looking at a guy who is obviously a very very talented offensive player. <hes> it's under the Max six and you can easily argue that C._J.. Deserves the Max <hes>. I think you know in this kind of age. We're looking at in the N._B._A.. What you're really looking at is the final year of the contract and in the final year it is estimated that C._J.? Will make around thirty six million dollars <hes> in that final year. That's a tradable. That's a tradable asset. It's really too bad contracts <hes> with some filler and you could probably make the money work so he's currently twenty seven Kevin <hes> so he would be thirty two if my math is correct there five years from now that makes sense for him. I guess the sticker prices prices a little shocking if only because he's never been all M._B._A.. He's never been an all star and I think we often equate those sorts of dollar signs <hes> with that amount so but I guess the flip side of that is he is the type of player that the League is trending toward right right yeah and he has always kind have been that player. He is a career forty percent three point shooter. He's the guy who can create his own bucket from three levels of the floor. <hes> those are valuable players and I think yeah we have a really seen him in that first option role very often <hes> I think the last time there was a lot of hype around that was probably two two seasons two or three seasons ago now when we kind of saw you know Lillard go down with a little knickknack injuries and and C._J.. kind of rising up to the four over over the past two seasons. We've really seen C._J.. And Dame kind of become this inseparable duo <hes> last year. They spent eighty six percent of their. We're playing time together whereas I think they only average. He only averaged like five minutes a game without Lillard on the floor. It's Kinda like you and I yeah right yeah well. That's a good point to pivot to the the kind of context the blazers signing him here too so it is appropriate in the same summer that C._J.. Sciences the Extension Damian Lillard also signed an extension <hes> Lillard sign this summer for four years one hundred ninety six million that is the supermax. There's a a lot of money that one will also begin in the twenty twenty one twenty two season so in total Lillard and mccollum over the next five years will earn two hundred three point point four million dollars so I mean on the one hand it makes some sense the blazers what more can they do if they do want to keep going forward with this core but but it does kind of beg the question we have about the blazers in about this partnership in particular. Is this worth that sort of money the C._J.. And Dame pairing I mean I guess if you're the blazers you kind of have to do it right like the closest approximation to what the blazers are doing in continually running back their their core <hes> I mean are they. The modern Atlanta Hawks. I mean just a team. That's always going to be there. They're always going to be good and I mean the hawks had the longest <hes> one of the longest postseason streaks in <hes> active streaks in the League for really long time to Joe Johnson the era the Joe Johnson Al Horford Josh with they were competent for a really long time and they were just kind of biding their time waiting for Lebron to have some sort of freak injury it never happened and <hes> and so they they kind of were cast aside <hes> but I mean the blazers have obviously shown that you know they have staying power and I think you you know the the whole idea of them making the conference finals this year it adds a certain probably perception of momentum for the Front Front Office for the ownership. <hes> you know that this is you know something worth pursuing right. I think the problem with the hawks that they ran into a two is they never had the high that the blazers just experience and now I guess the question is how much should be really read into that they have they walked yeah. They made the conference finals the Hawks the Comfort Oh you're talking about like the Al Horford Event Kyle Korver eventually see. I don't quite those teams together that was kind of a separate era no because they they had gotten rid of Joe Johnson. They got rid of Josh Smith. That was a completely separate team. I feel like <hes> whereas the blazers have really been consistent with this throughout right I mean I guess we're splitting hairs at this point but sure yet the hawks did have their moment but I guess the question is how much should we read into into just the more reason playoff performance because who did they beat in the postseason. I it was Oklahoma City a team that had to really just to spend and as a result of the loss and then the nuggets who that was I mean that was a back and forth like brawl between those two like seven games extremely explosive both ends of floor <hes> they could have easily been on the losing end of that <hes> almost were yeah and and I think this kind of reminds me of actually of the two thousand fifteen sixteen season <hes> you know it was the season in which the blazers lost <unk> lamarcus Aldridge Damian Lillard becomes the true focal point of the team. They kind of scrap together this like really you know inspiring run you know they're they're not like a great eighteen by any stretch but they make to the second round of the Western Conference finals. They're dubbed you know Warriors Light. There's a lot of internal momentum and then what do they do. They splurge all all their money on like Meyers Leonard and Evan Turner expecting this kind of internal growth right and so now it's like you know we talked about the Blazers <hes> they. They have their core set for the next. What's six years five years? Whatever yeah I think five years yeah as long as these contracts run so I think dame's runs runs longer than I should mention that <hes> but I think the interesting thing is yes to your point? They've done S- quietly a much better job of filling going out around the fringes around these two guys I think the issue primarily was really tried to double down on what they had and what they had probably wasn't all that much. They've given themselves ourselves a lot of outs here nervous. The Turkish contract last year was really good. He took a next step before he kinda suffered that injury and the encouraging thing for me is that they don't have long term money beyond these two extensions so so in the twenty twenty one twenty two season which is the last year of these extensions the only money they have other than the Jane Dame contracts next has a partial extension and then anthony every Simon's and Nazir little or we're on the rookie contract right. That's pretty good yeah and so you can easily kind of fill out the rest of the Rosser however see fed especially if you know one of them ends ends up being traded. I mean it kind of speaks to the eternal question of <hes> how long should a team just kind of continue being above above average I honestly I think they're probably the case for continuity yeah it managed to remain competent and competitive live and I think that you've seen a few tweaks around the fringes really pay off in recent years and I think with dame he might be older than you think he is. He's twenty nine fine but he's also has basically built his game up from his rookie season <hes> to have staying power <hes> he's been one of the most prolific Olympic three point shooters in league history <hes> up to this point. I think that itself is something that will allow his game to age gracefully into his in early mid thirties <hes> you know he is one of the more explosive kind of players attacking the rim and maybe that takes step back but these past couple of seasons he's averaged about eight attempts <hes> from three per game if he gets into that ten per game threshold which currently in history has only been occupied by James Harden and Steph Curry. Paul George came really close last year but he averaged nine point eight. If LILLARD gets to that at ten gets to eleven twelve attempts per game that changes you know the trajectory for the blazers that allows them to stay competent for a very very long time right. I guess the other other hand would be or the other side of that argument would be that he is a smaller guard and as we witnessed with Chris Paul he six three though is six three with a pretty strong frame name like I don't really I don't really consider him on the small side. I I consider him on like he's basically a average sized point guard if he ever stood next to him I mean I'm a really short person so like I really like effortless thought yeah. Everyone Kinda looks to me. Maybe he's six three three yeah but it is it is concerning as we talk about Chris Paul and like what his future is just around that same age that we're talking about dame when hill kind of reached the back into the contract when he will be making fifty million or so I guess the encouraging thing is in the midst of having this little run that they're If they're not going to stagger Damon in C._J.. He's really going to have to be the primary ball handler now. The Evan Turner is Atlanta in little. I believe is a similar type of player yeah. He was a he was the top three recruit coming out. I think he was actually or he was Ray ranked higher than Zion <hes>. We all saw how that went your little didn't really have a great season with North Carolina. He showed a little bit of Flash. <hes> in a couple of games but really was a disappointment of a season boys are really banking on the talent that they inherently have and their player development to kind of bring it out right <hes> and yeah like with Zack Hans. I've me me charts and the entire like corner three crew have been singing his praises for years now but it's going to be a different experience for him now that he's basically being slaughtered in as a starting four right yeah and you would assume that they're going to want him to flash to five ally especially. If Hassan whiteside doesn't work especially Canoga Saul is wash as we all. I believe assume he is <hes> but ultimately it's going to come down to the C.. J. Dame core. I mean throughout the League League. We're seeing these partnerships essentially being the key to allow teams not a big three league anymore. It's a big to League Yada Yada Yada. Everyone's been talking about this but I do think it's interesting. We've been we've had them for very long. Time in our lives and I do wonder if we perhaps don't appreciate how good this pairing really is so I do wonder if you lean into do that sort of partnership. Maybe it's not the worst thing in the world so I mean I. I wrote this down in terms of backcourts. Where does this even <unk> stand? I mean the so just so rattle off a few. Let's say Steph Curry and Diangelo Russel the warriors <hes> James Harden Russell Westbrook <hes> the rockets Ben Simmons Josh Richardson. How many these are are better than C._J.? which would you prefer I would say harden and Westbrook are like number one by far <hes> I would say any back court with Steph? Curry is suddenly transcendent just because Steph can kind of do that by himself right after that it gets murky. I think I think I would easily have them or I would feel very comfortable having them number three Marine Harris in Denver <hes> as we saw C._J.. Named best of them in the playoffs Mitchell and Conley is a new one that could be intriguing dependence spendings off yeah it depending on how Mitchell kind of adapts to Conley probably playing on the ball for more often than right and others to kind of throw out <hes> you know barring an injury Kyri and Kerris in Brooklyn Depot and Brogden in Indiana obviously not necessarily the star ceiling ceiling but like in terms of like complementary talent there like you know. I'm glad that we gotTA Brogden mention here. It's been a little while it's been almost two podcast this. He managed to do that. We gotta shout out Our Future. President sure get in their early. The buttons going yeah. No I think the right up there Stephan de Ngelo is one that I'm particularly intrigued by yeah. If we're just saying back courts. I think that while they don't have the defensive vacuum for would prefer I mean neither neither do see Jane Dame so I do wonder if this is almost like a of southern West Coast version of this. I don't know how would jud approximate geographically yeah yeah the bay area to to Portland but I is similar enough and when you factor in kind of the context of the entire team team the warriors have a few more defenders to kind of make up for those lacking qualities. I don't know I'm silently quietly high on the Warriors Fisher. I I just kind of believe that Steph curry is going to be made. He just makes people better. He just makes players better so I can't imagine Russell at leased on the offensive end being a detriment to the team right and they've been hanging out together which is always a good sign which is this is the part of the summer where we convince ourselves that guys working out together. Where is the key to everything now? Do you think I guess circling back to C._J.. I I wonder about how he ages like. I I think dame will be fine but if you're securing this back court both of them are listed at six three. You don't seem to think they're six. I believe I believe C._J.. Will be more than dame yeah so neither of them are defensive dynamos chair. Are you comfortable trouble with this specific back court you know carrying into you know twenty twenty s sure I I think for the reasons as you mentioned just the shooting shooting will probably never <hes> the shooting wage well and I think that they've done a good job of filling out around there to kind of cover up their weaknesses and if the League is going to stay this way which who knows it will probably be completely different next year right because we just we just actually for one of the back courts that we mentioned Simmons Men's and Josh Richardson. That's a three to five playing at the one and two so who knows yeah I well. Let's take a look at the West right now. Like where would we slot <hes> in Portland just based on this core this season right. I think they'd be up there. I I mean the more I look at this roster. The more I'm kind of intrigued feet and disclaimer does have something to do with the fact that they signed Mario Sonya. I completely forgot about that. I think this team will look much different from the blazers that we've seen in the past couple of years. I think we kind of focus on the core that they have the to their two best players being like okay so there here. Are you know the teams obviously the same as it will ever be <hes> but Hassan whiteside cannot do the things that you use of Norwich did. He's of Norwich became a fantastic tastic facilitator for them. He really gave them another playmaking presence. You're not getting that Outta whiteside. They'RE GONNA have to change the way they play the pick and rolls <hes> Zac Collins who has been like this kind of like low usage all-star for a lot of our a lot of us now he suddenly thrust into this big role that you can't get at that. Dude can't stand a foul trouble so that's a big concern <hes> and you know they got rid of Mohawk lists and Amino who you you know were some of their best defenders and replace them with guys who are much more you know questionable defensively but can kind of create their own shots so guys like Rodney Hood who they brought back Martin Zona who complete wildcard <hes> Kemp as Moore who is probably now their best defender so it's it's a different team. It's going to be a different dynamic. There are a lot of new guys coming in who you know it's not necessarily continuity. They're going to have to like figure out how to play with these two guys <hes> <hes> it's GonNa be interesting and for that reason like I can't. I don't know if I can just kind of sloth them in to a high seed the way that they have been in the past few seasons I I think they're kind of like the five seven range. They traded it in a lot of known quantities yet for a lot of guys with upside. We haven't seen them prove it yet right when we're all high on a lot of these some of some of these prospects Simon's is a guy who seems like you would fit what they're going to do <hes> collins as you mentioned but like as as much as Evan Turner overpaid and ultimately became the symbol for a lot of things that went wrong that summer yeah he was a steady hand who can guide that second unit. That's right useful player yeah and I think that's kind kind of why I think they'll they'll actually have to start staggering <hes> Lillard and mccollum again just because they need that kind of baseline continuity <hes> across different positions. I don't think it's it's time for African Simon's to like be given the reins and like you know lead a team for like twenty minutes off the bench in Reno those blogs though he's going to be the next next guy. I'm not I'm not I'm not sold yet. <hes> the do just doesn't have many reps and we don't know what that looks like. In the in game action yeah almost literally no reps yeah except for that one game at the end of the season where they played like six guys. He dropped like forty something points today so if you could just do that every every every game sure they'll be fine. I guess the one thing they have going for them is how many teams are just juggernauts in this western conference now even minutes he might the clippers were. I think we all have high expectations for <hes> bobby. Our intrepid producer just told us at bright before we recorded that apparently Patrick Patterson is getting bought out and he's he's GonNa go to and what a travesty the clippers so. That's another four that they need in the mix year who I mean. I don't expect much from from Pat Pat or guy anymore. <hes> <hes> <hes> considering just the horrific run he had Oklahoma City but the one spot that they're kind of soft at is that maybe small ball center forward type after Michael Green Wean who did well for them last year. mantras hail Herrell will be fine but in certain situations you might not WanNa play him because he's not gonna be able to shoot it. <hes> Patrick Patterson in the ideal form orm really fits what they need yeah that that nothing's nothing this is this is a nothing burger of. He's out here to be at movie premieres. I know he's a big big movie buff right. He's here to catch all those releases I don. I don't think he's contributing. He's going to be the Hobson Shaw Premiere Big Picture uh-huh I would love that yeah I talked to Sean. Thanks so if we're slotting the blazers in the West here. Where would they fit in in the in the hierarchy? I kind of feel like they are a high upside. Pick now but I feel like they're floor is a lot lower than it wasn't fast <hes> which is funny funny because last year we a lot of people are saying Oh. They're not gonNA make it in playoffs anymore because they got embarrassed by the Pelicans. I think we can kind of recalibrate our expectations now. They're going to be a playoff team obviously but I think if all of the four top west teams come close to their potential. I don't think the blazers necessarily have that to match so the four or the clippers the Lakers nuggets nuggets and then between that it's like well. The warriors ears are still good. The worries might be good as our good regular season team definitely see. That's the key for me. I think there are a lot of good regular season teams and a lot of good playoff teams. I don't think the Lakers will be particularly good in the in the regular season even though they have a deep rosser because they ended up chopping up the money that they were going to give to quite Leonard a lot of those guys just aren't very good and they're counting owning a lot on Anthony Davis playing games Lebron playing a lot of games cow coups quite frankly being better than he like people think he is like God has to K- ratings is is right. What was it eighty three? It was like I think it's like eighty six so he yeah that's that's way too high. I mean I feel like I'm a Kyle Kuzma moderate. I don't know if I'm necessarily necessarily a hater but there are a lot of people who love Kyle Kuzma and think that he's just this incredible player. He's he's a score. He's a he's like a heat check score who hasn't proven that he's consistent of three point shooter. You know you you get buckets enough. You get enough buckets and it's like the keys buckets. That's all people remember the rockets we should mention to another team that could be oh yeah good in the regular season. No actually I that was the team that was making a lot <hes> they would round out my before yeah. I guess the Blazers are an interesting mix of those two types of teams the regular season team in the playoff team because I feel like I'm done counting getting them out in the regular season. There's been enough situations where they've just happened to end up as the three seasons like how the hell did we get here again and it's always because of the rockets right I think the silver lining though is if they make it through the whiteside experience experiment if they can kind of cobbled together gather enough in terms of rotation with young guys and some of these veterans that would be it would be amazing to see him kind of one hundred percent going in the playoffs but I I'm expecting you know of a full like the use of Norwich experience variants that we saw last year. I'm kind of doubting it comes next year yeah so I guess we'll see <hes> before we take a quick break here. We've got some raptors news. Oh we do yeah <hes> so Jackie Mac V._S._B._N.. Road a wonderful piece on kind of what happens with with coaches when they figure out you know their star players are leaving and there's just a small little tidbit in there about nurse seeing an Toronto Raptors coach Nick nurse the one guy now yeah him seeing Fred Van Bleed and Pascal the day after Colli <hes> signed with the clippers and was like look. There's going to be twenty plus shot attempts for you. Both <hes> you know they're going would be up for grabs. Are you guys ready and Fred Vanfleet Pascal Siachen. We're both like rubbing their right shoulders and the like we're ready coach and and there was like there was a a note from <hes> Jackie about how nurse was thinking about playing Siachen at the three which kind of goes into this whole idea of you know. Maybe the N._B._A.. Is Just GonNa be huge again or huger than it's ever been actually right then Danny is of course referring to my masterpiece of a blog post that I wrote a couple of weeks ago no but basically I suggested if the war's death lineup isn't around to chase centers off the floor. Maybe teams can go a little bit bigger right. My sees some team size up. <hes> especially because bigs are getting a little bit more versatile. I mean Pascal. Siachen is a perfect example the guy who played the four for the most part but you know he's he's he has the body type to be a three. Perhaps could be more of a swing guy yeah and in the finals he was doing some stuff that I had honestly honestly there was an each game. There was one possession that he had every single game where I was like. I've never seen them do this before. <hes> I don't know what what he's capable of and he was just like their one-legged fadeaways shots off the dribble that I'd never seen him do he's kind of more of a static <hes> corner three type shooter <hes> but I I mean that's really the big thing and and it's something that hit on in your piece about big ball is that look you can play all these big guys together but eventually they're going to have to hit a shot yeah and and Pascal Siaka in the playoffs shot twenty seven percent from three he shot thirty seven percent from three in the regular season and thirty eight percent from the corners but you really kind of need him to be a more of a dynamic <hes> shock creator <hes> from distance for him to kind of take that next level and be three for the listeners at home dating just rattled those stats office head have just been cramming on on raptors statistics this entire summer bummer. No I was just I look I professional I did. I did my research before the before we we don't do that on the group chat podcast. I know you've only been back back for a couple of episodes here but <hes> we usually just swing from the hip swing from the hip shoot from the from the hip shoot from the hip I mean you can swing from the hip. uh-huh gyrating. It's usually where the swinging APP and <hes> yeah. I mean it's interesting Pasco. We'll have to be the guy there. I remember when I wrote there are exit survey survey for the Raptors assuming that they would be out in the second round and then. I kept having to update it each round until they won the N._B._A.. Title he had ice owed second most was on the team and it wasn't that far off from quite letter so yeah if he is going to be that guy seems like he was getting the type of Reps. You'd want from that sort of player. I mean there. Was that one one game that I caught live. When I was in Toronto in January <hes> he basically got an isolation in isolation possession against the sun's with three seconds left and I was just like he caught it from the top of the ARC and I'm like what the Hell's going on here he did his famous spin move and got all the way to Atlanta like I can't believe they ran this for him <hes> but that's the type of player that the entire franchise kind of sees them as so the look good yeah good luck with those extra shots buddy yeah? I guess the one thing that will be interesting will be how they reincorporate. Oh jean-ann OBI yeah. We need to mention once a podcast okay so I just wanted to get in there no but the charge close charts clause yes I just I thought it would have been interesting had he been there in the finals. Obviously it didn't matter because they want anyway but in order to combat a potential small ball lineup from the warriors at death line at that we referred to earlier <hes> what a Pascal at the five lineup would have kind look like now. They don't necessarily have the resources with quite gone. They're they're trying to. They're taking flyers on a lot of wings. It is it's really strange and and the the big thing is like I don't even consider any of them wings. I don't think so who is a house Jefferson Stanley Stanley Johnson so two guys who have defensive reputations nations but can't shoot right. I think Ronnie Halls Jefferson. <hes> is six seven one of the best athletes in the N._B._A.. But has the skill set of a five which makes them a five. Oh that's interesting though because if Pascal does develop a consistent three point shot in O._G.. Develops a consistent three point shot all of a sudden you could make that sacrifice so if you're looking at past cow oh gee let's say Ron Day that works if Ron Johnson that's four different guys you were six. Seven and taller are who have the capabilities of guarding four. I think this is regarding a five. This is the theoretical all star team assembled these no one can shoot on that team yeah yeah I mean these. These are the type of risks though I think you need to take for a team in that situation you wanna just you went to bed on high upside you WanNa bet on on pedigree and talent and like what else are they going to do this season it probably going to at some point part ways with Markelle Saul. We'll see what happens with Kyle lowry whether or not he wants to be kind of <hes> <hes> the guy who stays there are long-term just finishes his career there in Tim Hortons with the eighth for the next couple of years or surgery Baca tried another yeah another another expiring contract who could potentially be useful for a team you know on that contending cusp assuming the raptors kind of take a big step back well. That's enough raptors news for the middle of the summer as they prepare for a season where they'll be probably irrelevant so we're gonNA take a quick break here. We're GONNA come back and talk about mellow all right. We're back Danny Bobby chiming in from behind this wall occasionally <hes>. We're GONNA talk about Carmelo Anthony here. Perhaps the last time we might be able to do so <hes>. It seems like there's a bit of a movement happening or I guess a one man movement well maybe because Damian Lillard recently called out in very cryptic <hes> tweets where I think he's kind of rallying for one more season for mellow. Oh though it was an articulated particularly well he there in Hashtag forms one is vote for mellow farewell season well capitalized and then the Hashtag stopped playing which is confusing because he's advocating you assume for Mel to play but he's saying look this is is this is a case for you know certain punctuation you know if you had a comma their stop playing comma mellow then that means you you know I should stop playing but there's no comment here because you can't put a common Hashtag is editors. This really is really gets at my core right yet. So more more grammar consciousness from some from dame would be appreciated although he did later clarify when a blazers fan was like hey you should you should sign them blizzard to sign him and he's like we don't have money don't have money so he's really really really like me and C._J.. Just took all there's no money left right but he also said that Mel. L. Should indeed still be playing so basically he's passing the buck off. The other thing is like there are other things happening in the ether. Perhaps because it's such a slow news part of the season <hes> Chris Brickley trainer extraordinaire vary online apparently has an E._s._p._N.. Show or online show going on. He was on the breakfast club. Believe it or not he had he said the following mellow was better than seventy percent of players walking around period walking around earth the right including you. He's also he says teams are scared off by mellow because mill is presumed to want to start. He also says that Mel just wants a farewell season which is the thing that kind of troubles me is that the people who are advocating for mel aren't necessarily saying hey he could really help Elba team. It's more that he wants to Dwayne Wade sendoff right so I don't know who else wanted that sendoff populars right. They didn't really get it right can't really beg for it it. Just it feels like something that's pretty organic right. It is a little desperate and while mel himself self hasn't participated in an apparently he's going on. I take on Friday I saw so he is leaning into a little bit and there does seem to be an influx of those training run videos in the summer that we always get at Berkeley's Jim and some of these others <hes> in L. A. And York often I mean it. It's gotten to a point where like the public opinion has has fallen so low with mellow and I really don't even have any takes of my own. It's just like I'm absorbing so much of the vitriol vitriol that that has come from like people talking about Mel over the past couple of years that like when I saw him dunk I was like holy crap he could still dunk and realized he could still punk technically hop sure why at tall guy he yeah but still like I from the way that we've talked about him. It's like man man. This guy can't even walk pretty much on defense. That's true we like choice a certain point you know he's not really <hes> I know lateral movement there to perhaps recover anything else so yeah. You're right though I think the public opinion has perhaps swayed a little bit too far mel has become. I'm the poster boy for D._J.. Foster made the case that for this like Anti Analytical Movement that happened a few years ago when basically win analytics caught up to two everything when Kobe was found to be perhaps not as good of a player as we all assumed he was based on how inefficient he was particularly more. I P Your mentions. I know now I ever phrase that better but I'm gonNA powering on <hes> mellow really became the symbol for all that was wrong. He took a lot of mid-range. Jumpers was reluctant to play play the four when that seemed to be his best position overall though was still a fine player and I think the case that D._J.. Made for us in a A._p.'s that went up on the ringers day was in Houston in even in Oklahoma City. He wasn't all that bad in Oklahoma City. He played seventy eight games. He ended EBB. Averaging Sixteen points six rebounds one point three assists with a lower usage rate than he's accustomed to leave is in twenty three range us more of a a thirty usage guy and that rating five point two and that's a positive that's not a negative. It's not that bad now. In Houston. Things took a bit of turn. He played ten games. He scored thirteen point four points I'm not very good but if we kind of flash back to the circumstances of the rockets earlier in that season he really wasn't in a position to succeed. They had all those injuries <hes> <hes> some of the flyers they took that off season didn't really pan out and so there were left playing mellow more. I believe he played like twenty nine minutes a game right and they were probably going into a more than they ever expect it so I don't know if it's like fair to paint mellows current status based on that situation. It's just more or that like what does he look like as a true role player. It's a great point and even in those <hes> those training videos from the summer at the Berkeley Jim it was a lot of him just backing down Kobe style taken one dribble fatal. He's I think what we're looking at and if he does come back. What is his game at this point he is a stretch for WHO's going to want to cook? He's GonNA WANNA dance. He's GonNa WanNa you know take off the dribble and then kind of show off what Mello has always done <hes> can he be a guy who reliably spots up from the corners and just kind of sit stand there and take those shots. He's never been a particularly good three point shooter so do you really want him in that role but he is the type of guy who is a good shooter right and I think that's the distinction a lot of N._B._A.. Players make that perhaps like us in the media. Don't it seems like the fact that a lot of defenders were scared of those sorts of shots from mellow matter and I think that's something to take note not only just from just like a a personal standpoint just on just like the guys having to respect respect that and perhaps it's something we should take note of but also the idea of gravity if guys think he's a good shooter the probably going to like guard him a little bit closer which opens up things from everybody else and as we've seen gene he's very good at standing around the perhaps fear if you just put them in a corner. That's good enough to do something I just. I honestly don't like if it didn't work for the rockets. If it didn't work for the thunder I mean how many teams are actually going to be looking at him. No outside of the outside of the Lakers I to what the list what team makes the most sense. I only have one team on my list okay and it's the most irrelevant team in the N._B._A.. The Charlotte Hornets uh-huh why who who is going to be one taking his shots too like they don't have a name brand anymore with with cam out they have cody Zeller and Co.. I think I think in in D._J.. Fosters Peace Marvin Williams is the highest scoring returning player player on that team that is insane. North Carolina Legend may like I love Washington. I love what <hes> miles bridges can possibly do in his sophomore year but look this team is really going anywhere so might as well give mellow all of the shots he can get. I guess I guess he's not GonNa win them. A bunch bunch of games is if that's what they're worried about. It puts mellow in an interesting position because he ultimately just becomes like a show pony situation situation but on the other hand seems like that's what people are advocating for yeah that a player of his caliber will have dwayne Bacon he cooks. That's right there in the name. No No Bacon Bacon doesn't Cook Bacon gets cooked. <hes> give me a lot to think about here. That makes a lot of sense since I mean melrose up Jordan brand guy so perhaps Jordan would have some influence there perhaps like he would feel something for mellow and WanNa really do him a solid which raises some questions about whether or not that relationship is something that should exist in the N._B._A.. To begin with foster brought up in his piece <hes> the Pistons is a potential team if only because I think they're a team team. That just needs something to happen. It seems like there are at least a year away from clearing some money off their books. The really committed to the drumming Blake Griffin thing they have markeith Morris. I'd rather I'd rather play him. I don't even like I can't remember Mark Morris even playing after he left the wizards I know he was on the thunder but I just don't remember him doing anything positive for that team. I guess another team in Detroit who could really use Mel's profile and attention. They really need people out to that new arena that they have downtown in just seems like nobody's ever there. It makes some sense. I think they do have is as D._J.. Alluded to some some wing defender who could potentially cover him if he is going to play on that second unit the other team he mentioned was the warriors <hes> you know okay. I mean yeah they are. They are a team that has basically thrown on a Lotta dice rolls this this offseason picking up a lot of younger guys <hes> who have potential maybe it's time for to swing the other the other way on the pendulum now they are up against the hard cap they I believe are two hundred thousand according to spot tracks data <hes> up against the apron which means that they cannot go over that even though Melo is a veteran minimum who you can often just slot in there regardless of how much it is <hes> but that would take them way over so they'd have to lose somebody in order to admiral and so all of a sudden you're doing way too much just to give Carmelo Anthony a chance and I really don't think even though they are going to open that new arena they really need much publicity publicity right at this point i. I'm Kinda talking myself into him fitting on most teams that weird. I do think that he's he could be a serviceable player. Yeah no I I agree. It's just man perception is really hard to shake sometimes. I don't know how I've come to this point. Where I've gone gone the complete opposite way where I feel bad for him that I just I think he does deserve some sort of send off right and like if this is the end like what how do you remember? How will you remember as a disappointment <hes> as a guy who chose money and the New York market over perhaps what was best for him? I also think whether it's his agent or his own decision not timing his contract in order to be a free agent at the same time as Dwayne Wade Lebron James and Chris Bosh was a potentially career altering decision sure we could have had a big for a certain in point. I don't know how it would have worked on money man a lot of money especially at that point in their careers but like maybe further down the road something would have happened yet but I mean he could have had that opportunity again. If you've just gone to the polls right instead of taking the extra money with the Knicks he could have gone while the Lakers were much of a team at that point the rockets he could have gone to the rockets earlier man so was like mellow the the true death knell of New York as a destination potentially. I I mean he did rob that team. I mean he didn't personally but the Knicks decided to just castaway like all of their serviceable role players who by the way a lot of them are still in the league in Gaul Nari. Sorry is still as a really helpful player. Yeah it was in Chandler is still kicking around. I think is is he did sign with the net. That's right so I don't know at the same time he made them relevant in a way that they hadn't been in a very long time they'd been associated with just complete in abject failure they at least had a moment in that one season season where everything did go right yeah and I think in terms of his legacy as far as style and as far as culture like he is an influential player yeah <hes> before Kevin Durant became Kevin Durant. You talked about mellow and Kobe as like the two purist scorers in the N._B._A.. And I think that's kind of how I I'll remember him as like this kind of time capsule for this post Jordan era of like we still kind of fetish is this certain certain types of scoring wing. This guy of you know who has a platonic ideal of an offensive skill set who can create his bucket anywhere <hes> <hes> but as he transitioned to the you know later `oughts and it became later and even in the <hes> twenty tens when he became apparent that you should probably play the four <hes> he kind of stayed kind of <hes> stubborn in his insistence that he was a three three even though he played his probably some of his best years on the Knicks as a four for Mike Woodson I dunno I it's it's interesting because as I was talking to you about this a few days ago in the office was just like mellow is so much more relevant than Paul Pierces but it's hard to say Paul. Pierce didn't have a better N._B._A.. Career he probably did I mean he has the finals m._v._p.. Yeah and even though we do factor in all these these these nuanced satistics and all these other things it ultimately does come down to success. I think I mean bill has always said that. If a player is good enough he should be able to bring a team to a conference finals and although mellow went to one at a time when he picked his own destination and perhaps had the perfect opportunity to context and really focus on that more than anything he didn't do so and so ultimately will probably think think of him as someone who just didn't live up to all our expectations and whose image did not match the reality but on the other hand I mean I think the fact that that exists is why we're so disappointed that he was such a talented player a player that we all kind of fell in love with when you had that magical season <music> as Syracuse which is Yukon Fan is tough to say but he was awesome that year yeah and truly I think some of his offensive showcases of like we will remember him as one of the best offensive players in league history yeah whether that bears out with the numbers or not like it's it's so ingrained. His style of play is so ingrained in this specific era that were watching he helped define an era yeah and part of that is because the the N._B._A.. Is probably more popular than ever and he just happened to be very close friends with just some of the best players ever yeah like like the Lebron Mellow rivalry never really bore out but I think that kind of the fact that they were entwined so early really <hes> in those first couple seasons really helped power that post-jordan Malays that the N._b._a. was feeling. I think that in itself is is very very important. He was a ten time all star Yeah and a lot of that comes down to popularity of on the other hand like you know he had some of the more memorable seasons in recent district so do you think he should get another shot. Yeah why not Yeah I. That's what it comes down to. I I would rather him play the not play yeah because otherwise he's just going to be showing up at like Knicks Games and weird hats and just looking sullen

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Sophomore Surge or Sophomore Slump? | Corner 3 (Ep. 339)

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Sophomore Surge or Sophomore Slump? | Corner 3 (Ep. 339)

"What's up guys? It's kelly. We just launched a brand new podcast on the ringer podcast network hosted by our very own staff. Writer shea Serrano called villains. In the premiere episode. Shea is joined by Jason Concepcion and Sean fantasy to dissect the iconic villain Hannibal Lecter from silence of the lambs. You can check out the first episode and subscribe right now on apple Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome show. I'm Kevin O'Connor. And we are the corner. Three joining me here. Beautiful Los Angeles is ringer associated or Danny Chow really is beautiful about seventy six degrees outside. It's it's wonderful beyond disgusting. Beautiful flower shirt as well. Yeah. Floral print feels like it feels like a thanksgiving white tablecloth. Yeah. Maybe I'll try it. All let it. I don't offer. Look good on me as it would with you though. Anyway, from Dallas, Texas, coal Dallas, Texas Springer staff writer Jonathan sharks. What's up guys? We're recording. This at two ten pm on Thursday, November fifteenth and you're hearing on Friday will start off with the biggest news of the week. And that's Jimmy Butler, who is of course, trades Philadelphia. Seventy Sixers Danny you wrote an article on the ringer breaking down Butler's debut, a loss to the Orlando. Magic game our own Kevin Clarke, actually attended. Oh, yeah. What was your big takeaway from that game? And what do you want to see moving forward? This is something that we've kind of touched on even before the first game. It was mainly what is Jimmy Butler going to look like alongside Ben Simmons to guys who are very much of the same vein power guard who love to have the ball in their hands and are probably most effective with the ball in their hands. And what we saw in the process. Definitely. Yeah. Well, we saw the game was. Bit of a mixed bag there. It was certainly clunky. With those guys. I it looked at the NBA dot com slash stats a data with touches time of possession and dribbles per touch all of that was close to identical for Ben Simmons. Joel Embiid foot. But as drastically different for Jimmy Butler, his front court touches were similar, but as time of possession was drastically different in Minnesota Butler possessed the ball for four point three minutes per game in his debut at the Sixers. It was only one point seven minutes. And that number's obviously you're going to rise for him as he gets integrated the offense and runs all the play. The only ran really one type of set for him the entire game. Would that said those touches and those minutes possess the ball are gonna have to come from somewhere? Jonathan how does their offense need to evolve. As those touches are given to Jimmy Butler, and they're probably gonna be milked from someone like, Ben Simmons. You know? It was weird to me was that it seemed like Simmons and Butler always played together. And it's Manson their debut together. And Embiid was always the one playing by himself. And I think. That's like the first big question that breadbasket figure out like how do I split up these three guys? Do you always have two of three in who gets that? And who gets that time by himself dominate the ball. I think that's the first question. Can you look at it in Minnesota Tibbs? There's been up his guys at all. Just crazy. I think Browns can lead to put up somewhat, but and these plans so I can smell Bob himself. So in other words, you're you don't agree with what he did on on in their debut with Embiid playing alone and with Butler and Simmons playing thirty one minutes. It's weird. Because like I get it because I'm beat been so good. But I missed I just wonder for Simmons. Especially felt he could be the man out if you're gonna play him with baller the whole time. Yeah. But what is similar do off the ball? Really? When I was watching the game. I was just like man the spacing is so cramped when you have basically Brett Brown running these really weird jumbo lineups where he had like that's kind of stopped for sure Simmons Butler on the court who could honestly play four or five if they wanted to and they did that a little bit. But there were also on the court with Mike Scala with Amir Johnson. There are a lot of guys who can't shoot in these lineups. And suddenly, you're looking at like negative space on the steam there are times where somebody would drive to the basket, and you left Simmons or Markelle full sitting in the dunker spot, not moving the entire possession in the lanes clogs. Right. I think that's something where it's just going to be a problem that they have to deal with with with both those guys. But to your point John with the lineups and the combinations that prep around puts on the floor, regardless of the most frequently used one I think there's going to be times where all three of those guys on the floor where? Butler and Simmons are going to be on the floor. And that's why when it comes to the touches to me. That's what's interesting. You mentioned that Simmons isn't going to be an off ball guy. But he needs to be doesn't. He I think he has to be as Jimmy Butler starts getting the ball in his hands more often. If you're Ben Simmons Awad, you have to be right? Like, I'm a second year player. I was rookie of the year. I'm the guy like why am I got why? Because dooby Butler as a better go through score. Jimmy, Ben Simmons is pretty much zero in the half court right now with the way, he's he's pretty much zero in wrath court. But see that's my question for this whole thing is like, I'm sure it didn't escape bed and Joel's notice that Townsend Wiggins looked punks time Jimmy left Philadelphia by Minnesota. Are they cool with taking a back Jimmy Butler like how is gonna work address? I'm just wondering like the personalities even before the basketball. I don't really know if Simmons taking a back seat is really it. It's more like, okay. Once he sets these screens for Butler. He's not really doing anything with that. He just kinda roams back to you know, a spot. Download. Down near the paint where he can be a really dynamic player off the ball, and like flush incredible dunks on people if if you just kind of dive into the right spot, but he didn't really get into any spot. And that was kind of weird frustrating part of watching that dynamic in the first game. So you think it's it's more about getting those jumbo on and off the floor like getting more space. I think so and I kind of think that if we're talking about someone who should be playing maybe by themselves as the solo star of the team. I think it should be Simmons him with like four, you know, four spaces and suddenly the Sixers are probably you know, devastating offensive team. I disagree with you guys. Because I think it's it's about more than just the lineups. I think you can't place him as himself because I think you're still going to Markelle Fultz on the floor at some point. You're full floor. Spacing is still going to be suffering those I'm yeah, I think for Brett Brown you have to play Marquette Foltz. I think it's really hard to put Ben Simmons and a Yana sensitive Kobo style atmosphere on the scene in don't have enough. Hooters, you have to play those guys together and they're gonna play together because the best players on the team. So you need to figure it out with all of them on the floor or just to them. And I think to your point Danny with Ben Simmons screening there were times in that game. Where Ben Simmons with looked like he was gonna go set a screen just slip. He was slipped to the to the dunker spot near the base line and hover there it really isn't a pick and roll. It's just not like at the end of that game in the fourth quarter. Was there a single time with a Sixers ran a pick and roll to get a mismatch for Butler or Simmons? I guess a smaller player. I don't think. So we're a time. We're Joel Embiid was match up on a smaller guy in the post. No, he's playing like a guard on the perimeter entire fourth quarter. This isn't to overreact to one game. Because it's really not one game. This has been a thing the entire season for the Sixers. They don't want a lot of pick and rolls. They don't run a lot of isolation's, but I want I really really hope they do more of that more often. And I think that starts with Ben Simmons you need to make him an impact player in the half court by taking the ball out of his hands and making him. Blake griffin. Draymond green screener on ball for guy like Jimmy Butler or does he want to do that? Yeah. If he if he doesn't then it's a bigger. That's a bigger problem than a bigger issue that needs to be resolved. I it might be the issue saying it for two years. Now it hasn't happened. Maybe I'm sure by Brompton see it too. But this is the first year, though, this I mean last year as a rookie was him and TJ McConnell. You know, those those guys were both the point guards. They're both the ball handlers on the team this year. It's Ben Simmons. It's Jimmy Butler. It's marquel. Full trying to get developmental minutes. When he's an absolute zero without the ball in his hands to even TJ McConnell is a deep bench option. Like right now, the fact is when Ben Simmons is end the ball in the half court. He can't be zero. But he is right now, and that might be his fault to your point, John. But I just can't imagine that it's all his fault. I think it's on the players and the coaching to make him an impact player show him what he can be when he screening for somebody like dream on green. Think about what he has been for the warriors. When he's on the short roll, and he can pick apart defenses and Ekin either Dr finish at the rim or you can just throw it throw a kick out. Passed to the corner shooter with JJ Radic and Landry Shamet. Those are the two best shooters in the team. They don't have a lot of great shooters by another been sitting. Mas more. Yeah. I think he's guy get in there. I mean, they have no choice. So what one thing that they did in the game that I saw a couple of times, and it was pretty promising. You know, you got Jimmy Butler pretty much taking the ball into the front court. And then you had 'em beedon Simmons setting double screens. That was suddenly you're just like. Okay. Well, this is exactly how it starts. This is exactly what you want to see out of your three best players. Everyone kind of working in tandem. Embiid popping Simmons rolling. You. Don't get into the dunker spot more so than a role it can it can totally be one of their pet place. And they just kind of need to develop more of that more of that chemistry, and it's gonna come but those plays and those those kind of schemes were kind of few and far in between in that. That's why it's not overreacting here. Right. Like bell is going to start getting integrated more into the offense. You're going to see more than just that specific play which I think they ran for. Or five maybe six times over the course of the game. They're going to get more sets going for Jimmy Butler. I think he showed some nice cuts off ball as well. So if Ben Simmons does continue dominating the ball, and Butler's more the guy who takes that back seat role with the ball handling Butler still going to get spot about tune. And if you remember in Minnesota when he first got they took it back to Wiggins and towns, he did remember like a month the half. Then he was like forget this. I'm Jimmy Butler. Give me the ball. And that's what could happen here. Right. And I think that gets back to your point about Ben Simmons, John where maybe he's the guy who doesn't want to commit to that off ball role because he's so good as a playmaker. And I think with this season with Ben Simmons. He's been a little bit more passive. I want to say I I feel like I've seen more LSU. Ben Simmons the season on the offensive in before. I mean, some great moments. Sometimes you're wrong. He's just as good as he was last year. But he's not better in that game. His usage percentage was only eleven which tied a career low over the course of his career and he took a career low amount of show. Shots in that game right outside of one game where he was in foul trouble incredibly passive game. Not a lot of movement off ball when the ball wasn't in his hands. That's the thing. Really to watch moving forward is. How does Benson is change of Jimmy Butler takes control of the ball? Like he did in Minnesota, John. I have a question for you. Do you think they're making a trade by the deadline? I think there are definitely going to try. I think they need shooting. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Kyle Korver type contagious called bell. Pope someone like that. Who let's let's rescue Casey fi. I'm still on this island. I'm slowly drowning. But you know, I'm I'm still here. And then the other question I have for you. Do you think in two years all these guys are still here in Philadelphia? I think two of them are at least. Yeah. I'm wondering already. I mean, I'm overreacting I'm wandering. I mean look with Jimmy Butler who knows with his free money though. I think Jimmy's gonna get take that money. That's what it sounds like. It's really about for him. It's too early for this. But I did hear that Philadelphia and him have some sort of idea. Oh, the contract. I'm not yet. It's the full five-year max though. So maybe maybe there's a agreement something less than that. Been part of the discussion in terms of acquiring him. Maybe in this is just a guess there's nothing I've heard, but maybe you could do something where it's like four years team option on the on the fifth year or maybe if that's even legal. I don't wanna be talking on my hair or something. That's just a little bit less than the full max. Right. I think that'd be fair because Jimmy Butler getting paid fifty million dollars at age thirty five with those knees. It's yeah. All the movie though, I feel like we're all in agreement though that this is worth the risk for the Philadelphia. Seventy sixers. Yeah. Ooh. John. No. I just wonder if it makes you lose Ben Simmons long-term, whether it was worth that to me is arrest that we're not properly calibrating is if I can a year and a half, Ben Simmons society doesn't want that to me. That's what concerns me to your point about Ben as best alone. Ben in a Yana system where he's the he's the really the centerpiece. He's the guy controlling the ball surrounded by shooters that if your Benz people if I was clutch sport or Sheild. Yep. Yep. You see him you see Janas thriving in Milwaukee. Would that circumstances? You think plug Ben in their imagine what he could do. That's that. Yeah. That, but that's kind of why I want to see him in this specific lineup. Let's do. Ben Simmons JJ Rettig. For Concorde Mott's Wilson Chandler and Mike Miskel and just have them run run in the playoffs. Last year was pretty walnuts. Miami Ilias open their you know, what lineup. I wanna see Joel Embiid Jimmy Butler and Markelle faults interesting. I wanna see a larger sample of that. And I'm not sure how much we're going to get ugly. See 'em beads Butler. No Simmons, right. That didn't really happen. No. We we didn't even see a single minute of the one. I just mentioned with that trio. But I I would like to see that moving forward because I've realized how silly this is gonna sound. But there are times the offense feels like it runs a little bit smoother with Markelle Foltz. And they're just does Lau. That's interesting. There's just times feel it's like with TJ McConnell, it's really knocking. It's ben. It's just sometimes, you know, you need your stabilize TJ McConnell offense run smoothly Marquel? Foltz? There's been some times where it feels like it runs a little bit smoother one with him instead of Ben Simmons. And I would just like to see that. I got an insane trade for you. This isn't this has never happened. But I was just thinking about this this morning. What if like next year, he traded, Ben Simmons for Gary Harris? And Jamal Murray Latta shooting in Philly night. What's what's the deal with Markelle Foltz like who's your who's your ball? Handler probably James Taylor. And then you have very hairs off the ball. I dunno. I that is fast. I wonder if how Denver would feel about it Simmons. And yo could should be crazy. I feel like Yokich Simmons and Embiid anyways. Because Yokich a play off the ball. I mean, you how would you? How would you play Simmons in in Denver? I don't save someone's on your coexisting at all to guys guys are at their best with the ball in their hands. Yeah. 'cause like I feel like everything that we're saying that Simmons isn't doing the Sixers would go double with the nuggets where he would be forced into kind of being this cut off. I mean, he's a worst player than Yokich. Hi screen. I mean. Yeah. That'd be wonderful. I'd love to see that. I would feel like Simmons and Embiid. I'm not show is going to work either a long-term, that's what I want. I feel like I like Simmons is the guy. I think he's got him washed warning about baller. It's how a Simmons going. I think he's really the big question. Mark right now. Ben Simmons already atop twenty five top thirty guy in the league, in my opinion. But he didn't really come back better than last season shot hasn't improved. He's still hasn't shoot from outside that needs to improve. So these questions that we're talking about. Now, don't apply all these. There is an average threat from three and a lot of these questions suddenly on a concern at all Kevin like what you're saying and beans gotten better them pros in his game. This sees his passing. So much better. And that's why with Joel I mean, it just annoyed me on and that gaming. It's the someone that a why did he not post up at the end of that game? Why was not picking roles? Get him on a switch on a smaller player. He draws a double can pick apart at defense. I just lotta strange pull ups in isolation. It was it was an offline that that bothers me. And on the other side of the trade can't ignore the Minnesota Timberwolves the winners of two games in a row and Karl Anthony towns, he looks so happy doesn't he John? They're having fun out there, man. You can't argue with that a lot of joy in that team. I think the big difference with towns he's playing with effort on defense against Anthony Davis. He blocked a shot at blocked that was the play. That was crazy. Block was great. A lot of effort from towns on that end of the floor. And we'll see how it sustains but early on. I'm impressed. Karl Anthony towns do play right now, Danny? Yeah. I mean, you basically run the modern template for every NBA basketball team. Now, you put as many playmakers on the floor. You have three guys and suddenly everything clicks, right? Like, it's it really doesn't have. Be that much more difficult when you have an offense of talent. Like Karl Anthony towns, and that's what I'm excited about here. Right with Karl Anthony towns at the end of the season before Butler came he was averaging twenty eight points and thirteen rebounds over the last forty one games. He ahead a jump at the end of his rookie year. And then a jump at the end of his sophomore season. And we haven't seen that since then because of Butler's presence, and again, that's not baller salt. He's a great player, and it's just the circumstances. But now towns of a situation where I think he's going to be able to put up those numbers if he's fed the opportunity consistently that figure we're going to see that more importantly, though, he needs a sin stained the defensive effort as for the new guys Robert Covington adds a defensive present forty one minutes for tips. That's a heckler Dario SARS only twenty minutes in his debut with Minnesota Timberwolves. But I'm incredibly intrigued by how typically will use. How do you think he'll be used in that situation? And do you think we'll see more playmaking from SARS like we did see overseas with him? I think that's the hope is long-term pairing him with pounds and contracting four or five pick and rolls and stuff. I don't know tips will be the guy to do that by think that is like the ultimate that'd be the way to maximize Dario Dario really took a backseat in Philadelphia because I'm being Simmons really couldn't shoot it. So you had forced to be a spot up shooter. And he's one of those game than that. And heated solid. He did incredibly well last year shop thirty nine percent from three still made clutch timely plays into whether it was the pass or whether it was on the defensive end of four whether it was a cut rebound Sarge, always knack for those moments. But the one thing we really just haven't seen from him. The NBA consistently is the passing and like you said, John we might not see this Minnesota. But I'm hopeful, we do I I really am. I think would that four-five front court with Townsend sorry to it'd be interesting to see that you look beyond the fact that Covington and Sarge are these very modern MBA type players, Babo, blah. But you look at the core of who they are as players, and it's like, oh, these are totally tabled. Oh, guys. Like, they work extremely hard. They're they're grinders. They can basically do everything, and they're they're tough dudes. And so I don't see an issue with Tibbs. Maybe not trusting them, you know, down the stretch or whatever like that. I would love to see more of starch in with you know, the the rest of the starters, but it's going to have to play Covington for less than forty one minutes. Yeah. We're we're basically looking at Sarge being a better tougher version of Nemea bielema who just didn't really catch on with Tibbs last year, especially with Sarge, right? I think with Wiggins his defense August needs become more consistent as well. For the Minnesota Timberwolves. There's a handful of those guys on the team. But they do it a lot of tough players. Right. You know, Josh a Kogi impressive rookie year for sure we well. And you know, timid does a guy who doesn't play a lot of rookies, but he does seem to trust him early on. So far this season. I could end up a steel in this drafts. In one of the random observation Andrew Wiggins after another hot start shooting the ball the season, he's shooting threes, man. If stroking forty one point seven percent from three this season, I'm still skeptical. He's he started last year incredibly hot as well. And then he fizzled out yet Charleston. I had had kind of had side conversations about Wiggins. And I think we came to the consensus that like has improved since coming into the late. I mean, unless the shooting thing Israel other than that he hasn't. At all. I'm not sure he really hasn't right now. I mean still inconsistent defensively. Still streaky score who doesn't do much besides pull up from from mid rates. Still hasn't expanded his dribbling moves behind. Besides that spin move. Now a lot of that circle. Spend he loves us sorta button, right? Yeah. One of the things that really stuck out to me in the past. When it was the core of Karl Anthony towns Wiggins, and Zach LeVine was that everything I'd heard from, you know, the locker rooms and everything and reporters talking about this. But it was Zach LeVine was the maniacally hard worker. Andrew Wiggins was just like never really mentioned in that vein. And that that really stuck out to me. It's like Zach LeVine has improved over his past better. Yeah, it's a much better player. Whereas with Wiggins, we're still kind of looking at this broad template of this, hyper athlete to three win can click for him. I mean, or I mean look for Victor Oladipo can heal your five Wiggins now is in your five. I don't think we will. Ever have that sort of role. But I'm sure it can click for him. Because really you're really just asking them to do two things you're asking to be a much more committed defender, and you're asking him to hit threes if you can get those two things down everything else can kind of open up organically, but we're still waiting on those two key elements of his game. And I think to the worth pointing out like if you look at this team last two years like Wiggins and towns, they were kind of forced into roles, and they're like, okay, we're a contender. You've got to do XYZ things. Make the team battery at a bind to this role. Do this do that when they're like, we're twenty two we should feel like it kind of grow our game plan of expand and flourish, and it's kind of flipping what Simmons and Embiid worn Philadelphia right right before? It's like, okay Simmons Embiid shoot. Have you feel like do whatever you want who cares her growing? Now. It's okay. Ninety nine with Butler. Now, you've got to kind of like kind of confine your game fit him. Now. I think with like Townsend Wiggins you have bunch of tough guys around them and they can Jack shots now. Right. So like this team makes more sense. Those two guys do what the best they can do. And they win. They're like twenty five twenty six they're ready to win. But right now, it's like let them just Jack Shaw. See what happens in one other note on Andrew Wiggins. That's interesting. He started working this summer with rob mcclanahan longtime NBA trainer, and he's the guy who's worked with Derrick rose this summer. And it's interesting rose. It's really his first healthy off season in a while and his shot again small sample, but looks improved. It looks more fluid. I think they worked out a little bit of a hitch at the top of his release piss shot looks good better than has in many, many years for grows and for Andrew Wiggins and Derrick rose, maybe there's something to that working with a new trainer sometimes at all. It's all it takes. It's like the right coach for the right team. These guys need the right trainer for them before we talk NBA sophomores. Let's take a quick break and hear from our sponsors. Unleash the most powerful pixel ever on the network chosen by Google Verizon. Pixel three has more than this any camera and takes group selfie snaps. In portrait move and helps you always pick the perfect moment with top shot, which automatically recommends the best picks when no one is blinking in everything looks just right in the pixel three also has the power of Google lens, which means you can search what you see. 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We're getting the air and space. He's pushing them on every feels like it. And now like they finally have a team that Hannah makes sense together. And the errands kind of head of the head of the snake right now the system is not playing old dudes. You get you get urine FOX who is arguably the fast, you know, he is the fastest player in the NBA. And so you got this Ferrari, and then you also get Zebo, and you're like that's just pounded into Zebo less. Like, I don't know what I mean Yeager had talked about playing. Fast last season, and it just didn't work out. But this season it was just a complete overhaul. It's like, yes, we got this guy at the fifth pick for a reason why not build around him. It's working. He's the most improved sophomore season isn't he I would say so I wonder, but I wonder how much of it is just his situation. I guess it's hard to find the difference. Right. He's definitely a better situation than last year. It's hard to quantify that for sure John. You know, I'm sure a lot of it does have to do situation. I think some of it absolutely has to do with his own individual changes to ease. He stronger this year. He clearly worked on his body this year. He's been better at drawing fouls at the rim. He's not avoiding contact quite as much his finishing his been better. There's been some more creative finishes from him over the so far. This season is drawing fouls on sixteen percent of his half court possessions, which is pretty similar to what the Marta rose and put up last year. And you know, these are things he might not sustain over the course of the year but early on right? These are differences from just late last year with him that we didn't see before. And the thing is the biggest change. I've seen is just how confident he is stepping into these poll up threes now he's making a good nece. Yeah. He's he's hitting them at thirty six percent clips, so like leak average is fine for a player who has basically been knocked on his jumper for how many years now. And it's always cool. It's always look. Good. That's that's the really weird thing about FOX. We whenever we talk about his shot. Not following her him not taking threes. It's always like, oh, but his show looks good. He just doesn't take them. He's finally taking them now for what it's worth he is shooting. Forty six point seven percent on fifteen catch shoot three so seven fifteen and then on twenty eight pull ups he had told them at forty two point nine percent, small sample that could fall off a cliff immediately. He's still not shooting well from the free throw line. But it's floater looks better his three pointer looks better. And as you said, he looks more confident to me. He's absolutely the most improved rookie. There's been a disappointment though, John who is the most disappointing sophomore so far guy. Josh Jackson, man. He is gone off hard. He can barely get minutes on Phoenix. And they're like the worst team the league. Yeah. Mikhail bridges is now starting took a spot. You know, it's it's sad. Really to me. When guys fall off this quickly because Josh Jackson at Kansas was always a guy where you're like. Okay. There's questions about his jumper questions about his scoring efficiency. But at least he can do these things at least he can be a solid secondary playmaker for your team. And at least he's always going to always going on defense. Yeah. And he doesn't do it anymore. What happened the any to be honest? I don't know. I mean, I I've been I've been looking at the numbers as if that were going to tell me anything about this precipitous decline. But do you guys know what his PR is the season? No, what is it? It's four point three. Oh, that's that's probably the lowest PR I've seen from any like notable players like in the past like five years. That's a really really low figure. I think what I'm thinking is I guess two things like one like to be a secondary playmaker. Means you have to start off the ball. And if Josh's off the ball, nobody cares, right? You just not being guarded, right? And the number to like it's hard to grind defensively on a team like Phoenix where like they're just giving up points after anyways. So he's like man make an impact I got to get the ball to get the bug. I take a bunch of bad shots. Like, I'm thinking like how many guys become in the NBA? Like how many times we draft the guy? Top seven always good athlete, and you'll really athletic big wing works needs work on his jumper. It feel like jumping doesn't get better for a lot of guys. Right. I so I think. The most recent example, might be Jalen Brown who isn't really a great shooter. But he's he's he has improved. He's definitely improved. Aaron Gordon another one. Yeah. Aaron Gordon is a big one. But yeah. Other than that. And obviously just half the mission Kalis like the best case scenario, the guy the everybody aspires to be. I mean look at like Josh Justice Winslow Stanley Johnson yacht. Many. But I want to go back to something. You said John about Jackson where he's on a team where it's hard to put an effort because nobody is the team is just bad is a bad team. The Phoenix Suns are going to be drafting high again. And that's kind of why I just don't get it with Jackson. He he is somebody who your minutes are dwindling. They are just fading away quickly. You're losing your spot to rookie, Mikhail bridges, and guess what? The team is gonna stink. And they're going to draft another guy who's pretty much your position. There's a lot of forwards and wings that are going to be drafted high in this draft. TJ Warren has been better than Josh Jackson. So far this season. Jay grind itself around should threes. This he's hitting spot up threes. Finally, he's only twenty five he's I'd like to a lot. That's what I mean. It's like Josh Jackson. This is adversely for your hair and unit fight through this you need to play hard on defense and Senator for your team. Like, you did it Kansas hustle for loose balls. Rebound the ball. I mean, it's just not there. It seems like there's a lack of focus with some of the little decisions. He makes like I had a play in the article where like he's defending Russell Westbrook, and he just bites on the subtle little fake. It's like the just the efforts aren't there? Nothing's there. He's a zero right now. And he can't be oral. He's gonna lose his role, and he might be the type of player who has his option declined. And he might not get a chance of that second contracts like this. This is it's kind of that bad. I'm just saying I'm just saying like if you're Josh Jackson. You gotta be thinking damn like this could go south fast for me unless I turn it around time to start busting my ass on defense. It just hasn't happened. I mean, he's too we're we're basically. Yeah. As we've been. Saying we're looking at one of the worst teams in the NBA the fact that he hasn't been able to get even consistent. Low minutes is concerning. We we're looking at a situation that might be close to you know, Michael Kidd Gilchrist well to be fair though. They do have a lot of wings for like as bad as they are like John Tita warns a good player and all star near player campaign is a good rookie. They have do they had Trevor REEs it to this just a willy weird team. So then would you consider bumping Josh Jackson to the four? He doesn't really have the body to to that. You can't you can't they tried to lash nothing ever kill one thing to note. Josh Jackson on Wednesday night in the in the sons winning. It's the Spurs a twenty point win over the San Antonio Spurs. Jackson played twenty two minutes, fourteen points, four rebounds, and three assists. I haven't seen the game yet haven't had a moment to catch up on that this morning. Maybe he was better in that game. Wait so wanted just want to throw out there because I haven't seen the game. So his PR was four point three after that game. What was the game? What on earth? That's surprising stat Danny who is the most surprising sophomore. So far this season. I think it's Montaigne Morris. Yes. Oh, deep cut. I like it. I like it. Denver Nuggets point guards. How come Danny? I part is. I wasn't really high on Morris entering the two thousand seventeen draft because I tend to kind of prioritize upside overproduction and there with your especially with the older point guard, look, right? But what we're looking at with Morris, especially in this season is just a really solid player who literally just not make any mistakes. He currently has an eight to one assist turnover ratio. It's so glorious like he he has accused the career record holder in it and CIA for sister turnovers. Yeah. That's it's incredible. And I think there's kind of a trend here or a pattern. You really can't have too many glaring weaknesses or else. These teams are gonna just rip your head off the more players who are comfortable who know who they are who basically can do everything without Ness. -sarily exposing that many weaknesses at the point guard position on the bench. The better you we're looking at guys like Fred vanfleet, and even this year Gallic, Jalen Brunson, who is basically along the lines the same player even somebody like TJ McConnell for years. The Sixers isn't very important enough their bench. I mean, he just a smart player. I think the concern with Monty is like on defense in the playoffs. But like so there was a there is a play in the rockets game the other night. I'm watching it. And like the ball goes to Montaigne Morris and like the shot clock swang down. He didn't take a bad shot. He gets back into the offense gets into the lane. And then finds Yokich for an easy layup. And I'm like how many guards Russia would have done that in that situation. I feel like he really fits a need for that team. Specifically, they need a guy a move the ball and Yokich involved when he's not getting the ball. I think that could be Morris. I think you got a big role was at Thomas style. You mentioned how he's a guy who just kind of moves ball. I think that's what's weird about watching him for for the article this week Danny like we had like a Moore's blurb in there that we cut because it was like a way too long as too. Along. But like, it's just funny watching Morris like I watched back all of us assists. And it's like there's nothing in there where it's like, whoa. What a path it's just like good rock solid accurate passes delivered to his teammates. Like there's like nothing off target with him. But nothing has spectacular flash. Either rock solid point guard. That's what you want in a backup really on on that team. He's the only real traditional point guard. He's basically filling in for what Jamir Nelson was two years ago, except he's what like four inches taller and a billion years younger. Yeah. Absolutely. I think when I say at Thomas will barn come back. It's going to be very very interesting to see what head coach, Mike Malone. Does would that rotation because Yokich is your pizza primary playmaker at center position? But then you're gonna have a glut of guards you're gonna have Jamal Mari. Who you mentioned earlier John with Gary Harris, then you have we'll bar and coming back Monte Morris who's been a stabiliser for them. And then Isaiah Thomas who signed to be a spark score. I wonder we talked about rotations earlier. Moore's gonna lose out his job, which is too bad. But he's just gonna lose his job. That's just to be reality and less. It's a situation like with Brett Brown and teach him McConnell where it's just gotta play him. But maybe you're gonna make the sacrifice like Brown has the share with McConnell. He can shoot though. At least. That's the thing. TJ can't do as Moore's can shoot it. That's a big gotten better solid. Not great solid. I at this point. He's like a third fourth stringer. So it's fun. Yeah. I mean when you're in Philly kind of lose track of who's a good shooter. Like anyone can make a great shooter. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Kind of gets twisted. Yeah. When we're celebrating, you know, Foltz anything anything. He does foot pull up. Yeah. Oh, wow. Homerun? It gets kind of weird listening to the Sixers broadcast because anything Foltz does positively. They're just like, oh, I like that. You know? I it didn't go in. But at least he showed the gumption. It's the same thing with Simmons right now. So we're Sixers fans just want him to shoot the mid range Paul off. So it's at least a threat right now found a threat. He's only Sean eighteen pull ups this year. And he's only made one of them. You got to do more than that? Who is the most misunderstood sophomore, John? Okay. I gotta give some love. He's gotten a lot of hand the internet an unnamed person in our company who may or may not sign our checks thinks Dennis is just complete trash. I think Dennis Smith. You said a very tough season by think people are underestimating how much he's had to make going from the primary playmaker to plan with Luca. I think we gotta give us a little more time. It's only been a month. I think he's actually from the ball really well this season. And I think long term he can't fit with Luca and more of a two guard attacking guard kind of role. The answer is going to have them in Dallas. But it's just a big transition and right now people write them off too quickly. I think LUKA has gotten better already the season on defense and offense. What I'm after him on defense has gotten better with the fit. Can the condemned? Smith be good enough defensively for that to work. I mean, maybe like in three years, I think right now Dennis become like a scoring guard like he's moving towards that role away from being a point guard. But you're right. The defense. That's that's like a five year issue that we're packman now just the offense. I'm trying to defend my man. Dennis to Bari Parker said you don't get paid to play defense. Anyway. Right. So it's okay. For cares about defense. I think for the next two years, I'm still gonna be mesmerized by his athleticism and by the time is rookie contract ends. That's when I'll start to really look into his long-term fit in the league. I think at this point I'm still like he's young he's really athletic. He can kind of he looks like, you know, a star point guard volt. I still Francis tight. But I'm saying St Francis. Type of Luca the pretty good if he's got also dentist when the playoff the boss of thing to Dennis is not like I gotta make this my team verse Lucas team. He's willing to take it back. She to Luke which I think is a big step right there for young player. It can work between those guys. So work is Kemba Walker. The best case scenario for a guy like Dennis Smith. If something like that Francis. Walker, you know, slightly smaller spot sparkplug scoring type point guard. I think. A T kind of guy. I mean, those are all pass for him to take. That's a happy result for Dennis Smith. I think if you're Dallas you're satisfied with that with the ninth pick, you you're not, you know, you wish he could be carrier Ving, but he's probably not going to be that. I like kind of guy like don't let young play kyri that just going to get in their heads. And you know, I don't eat the nest doing that much dribbling like that's not going. Right. Thrown out will pass the weekend. Look ahead at some of the top games of Friday. We have the raptors versus Boston Celtics. The first time since the opening week of the season. Those two teams face each other Toronto has dropped two in a row and Boston has been better as of late Danny is there anything specific you're watching four in this match up of two top Eastern Conference teams. I think for the past two games one thing that I've noticed with the raptors is that we're we're definitely at a point where we're seeing Colli pressured a lot more and he's kind of prone to ten tunnel vision. There are certain plays in the pelicans loss where he was basically just dribbling in circles for like, seventeen seconds. And I was just like Kobo. What are what are we doing here? So we're still not seeing him very comfortable being that kind of lead playmaker. And I would love to see that improve. Especially against one of the best eastern teams in lake with quite Leonard. Of course, we need to see him develop his play. Making more and one thing that I wonder that could promote that for him is what Nick nurse mentioned this week. He said at a practice that he wants to play a lineup that has no traditional point garnet. So something like PASCAL Ceac him, Danny green, Kawhi Leonard OG in and OBI thirty Baka no point guard. Oh my goodness. That's what I wanna see there's a big jumbo lineup. And this is what Nick nurse said. And you'll see that lineup and say who's bring the ball up the floor, and I'll say, oh, well, maybe PASCAL or maybe maybe. Oh, gee, that's what I want to see John. I wanna see point PASCAL. That's interesting. I think it makes sense versus the Celtics as well. Because they kind of have a versatile switch. She lineup where aside from Kyrie Irving. They don't have a small ball handler on that team. But everybody else can handle the ball. I think that's the team. You should do it against John. Yeah. I wanna see also like no center either they can do a five wing lineup and they put like on right up there. Now, the Knicks off I position interest- interest. What I was thinking was this knickknacks lineup. Proposed lineup is Chuck. Fever dream and charge. Just immediately know we can add another wing. They're always always more roof more wings. So who is taking about the floor taking off he Baca and put putting on a on a wing may gust switch on guards. Really he's been boy better this year, though. I think he looks for juvenile did for sure definitely been better. So you would put like miles in instead of Epoca or what nisi Dhillon. Right. So you go, right. Green Leonard's Giacomo g Dhillon might be a little too close to a traditional point guard for nurses. That's true. We're gonna getting a little. Yeah. That's true. Either way I pal. I don't know either way. Whether it's against if it happens against Boston. I think it'll be intriguing to see how awesome would adjusted something like that. Because I think with these jumbo lineups. I also wanna see Boston do the same thing where they go without Kyrie Irving, and they have a lineup of Hayward. Brown Tatum Morris Horford, I mean, imagine that jumbo versus. Scary Terry gonna feel about that. He's an appreciate, you know, not being in the floor at all probably not great. I'm sure Harry wouldn't be happy. If that happened for extended period of time either. But for short stint five six minutes, I would love to see those two large lineups play against each other because they can work because those guys can still handle the ball. I think what's interesting with what Nick nurses done this season is he's been very proactive in terms of lineup adjustments. So I think played two hundred lineups this. Yeah, I'm pretty and he's the only coach in the league who actually flexes his center spot in the starting lineup. And so he's obviously I think if they were to do these two jumble lineups together, it would be Nick nurse, who's the aggressor. He would be the one who's trying to dictate the matchup rather than to Celtics coming in with. I don't know like Shemi Tatum Brown, whoever. But but here's the thing. Like, it sounds crazy. But in the playoffs is going to happen, right? It's one hundred certainty. They're going to go to these lineups when it really comes down to it because I'm a funny. Weak spots solve ruin weak spots. Finding the other team speaking about lineup changes the Utah Jazz have road back to back. They face the Sixers on Friday night. And then the Celtics on Saturday night, man, they lost fifty points. So the Mavs man I'm on now. Hard to believe that happened. John before the show, you mentioned how the one line that they needed make is Derrick favors. Yeah. I mean, they've tried it for a long time, and they fight against the current, and it was very very noble of them like reward favors for his hard work and sacrifice spa. It doesn't work anymore. Like, it just can't do it. So the number jumped out to me, I'm looking at the numbers on this. When go bear is on the court with favors net rating one point six lingo bears on the court without without favors net. Writing seven point four like that's just at it's free points begotten for seven and seventeen. They have to do it and then favors without go. Bare their outscored by twenty one point six points per one hundred possessions, and that's over one hundred fifty four minutes. So it's not a large sample for this point of the season. So basically, the jazz are running the same offense and defense, and it's just teams teams to figure this out. I think it's more. It's just like the league has become even more the other way. Like, you Thomas kind of half. Than half out with like two big man lineup. And there are still enough teams who played traditional lineups that made sense. But now the league is just so small just can't work anymore. I don't think. Yeah. We can't even play favours at the fives. Like that that was that was the conventional wisdom is. Oh, well, you just kind of have to have to stagger. These two centers. You can't do the twin towers anymore. And yet in the limited minutes, the twin towers is doing way better than favors is at the five. One point Zach Lowe man on his podcast this week that that was interesting is there pots had the ringer CNN ringer podcast. That men Zach mentioned how Utah's defensive shot distribution. In other words, the shots there. They're forcing opponents into or that they're allowing pretty much identical to what it was last season. And it is cleaning was off saw common. There's no discernible difference. Opponents are just hitting more shots. So at some point this year. I do think if that continues Utah should be better defensively right now, they're closer to the middle of the pack, but they still have the same pieces, right? They have in the past should be better conceivably at one point during the course of the season. You would think it's really interesting because you know, continuity has really worked for the blazers. They're one of the one of the best teams in the west yet again of that Collins one sophomore, we didn't mention having a great year absolute out Collins live and so with the jazz. I think one big thing that we're all kind of waiting on is like when is this winter there three point shooters gonna show up? Like, I think Ingles is the only person. Shooting above average in their rotation right now. And he's only shooting six threes a game. So that's not going to make up for everything. Like, everyone is shooting in the low thirties that can't really work when your defense isn't holding up besides MCI Alec Burks. He's killing it. He's more minutes. I think. Yeah. Like win several Alan bars. Outburst compla- ball, man. I am joy that on this podcast. We can get excited about talking about Alec Burks. But unfortunately, that's all we have time for today guys next week. We're actually minute recording on Tuesday and having a special Wednesday edition show. We won't be back next Friday. So you we'll be back. We'll get a not watch basketball. Maybe we will be back on Wednesday though. So we're looking forward to next week. Danny John looking forward to next Wednesday. Thank you guys. Yep. As always and thank you so much for listening to the corner. Three please give us five star rating on I tunes. We get beat shakes around house villains podcast. So please give us a five star rating. We need to beat Shay. This is very very important to make us all. Very very happy. It'd make Kevin happy. I'm a neutral party here. Be show might worry about it. Shea. I love you to share. Listen to the first episode was very good Cavanna. Listen, a special shot at the Bobby Wagner for producing the podcast and to my good friend. Eli for listening to the show. Thank you again for this thing we back next Wednesday.

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Trump vs. Scarborough, Listener Mail, and Rob Mahoney on Empty Stadiums

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But David we got to begin with Donald trump versus Joe Scarborough. Now if you use the phrase this is a new low even for trump you have to turn in your political pundit card. Were all out of new lows me. Reframe it for you like this with one hundred thousand people now. Dead from Corona virus. There aren't many things. Trump could have said that would hijack the new cycle for two days falsely insinuating. The Joe Scarborough is involved in. The death of a woman was one of them. How's that yeah? Frankly it's not. I don't even think it's a new low. I think if you lined everything up. I don't know that this would actually reach the bottom or the top of the scale. I do think that the tone deafness and just the implicit mindlessness. What's the right tone? I think that doing at the time that he did it. You're right amplifies. Amplifies a terribleness of the whole thing and it just shows I mean I don't know how much of the trump electorate is out there waiting to be convinced one way or the other. But if you weren't already convinced by the way he's treated the coronavirus epidemic if you believe as Mumbo jumbo on that front I think this should be a pretty clear indication. That his mind's not on the right things. Yeah I did see Liz. Cheney one of the many Republicans who has come forward to denounce trump's scarborough stuff and she said that she did mention this is during a pandemic. I understand that that does as you say up the ante. When is the right time to do something like that? No never the right time. Yeah if he were do if he had done this in January that would have also been terrible and his. We'll see in a minute. He's doing this for quite some time. Not to defend our president here but there would definitely be some left. The assholes on twitter at twitter existed back in two thousand one. There would have definitely been some liberal. Lassos on twitter. Who are would be making jokes about Joe? Scarborough being murderer. You're right and that's the funny thing about this is. This story was kicking around for a long time on the Internet. Like especially in the early two thousands. We'll get to that just in a second was backup. If you've been following this trump tweets this on May twelve. When will they open a cold case on the Psycho Joe? Scarborough matter in Florida. Did he get away with murder? Some people think so. Why did he leave? Congress so quietly and quickly. Isn't it obvious what's happening now? A total nutjob the tweet appear to be referring to the two thousand and one death of Laurie. Cla sudas twenty eight year old aide. Who worked for scarborough at the time and implied of course at Scarborough was somehow involved in that but authorities determined sixteen years ago that she died after losing consciousness from an abnormal heart. Rhythm she collapsed. She struck her head Unfortunately she was discovered in Scarborough's office in Fort Walton Beach Florida lying on her back. According to a two thousand one police report scarborough meanwhile was eight hundred miles away in Washington. Dc We'll summer new front of the press box who reports on conspiracy theories in with this on twitter. I checked out a conspiracy theory reform with twenty thousand members to see how they're handling the trump scarborough accusations. The top post accuses. Tim Cla Sudas. This is the husband of the woman of all kinds of crimes. This really appears to be headed to Sandy. Hook Seth Rich territory. Thanks to the president. Well that is. That's really interesting. I was noticing around. I think it's some of this. I do think that there's a distinction between Sandy Hook. And Seth rich and I really am reluctant to make this argument now but bear with me and says. Richardson was a convenient conspiratorial. Political Tool Right Sandy Hook and this Joe. Scarborough incident have in common. Is that the target of the conspiracy. Conspiracy theorist attacks become the people who are trying to get the to push the conspiracy aside right that the husband of the of the woman who's unfortunately died has come forward and said please. Twitter delete tweet. This is like this does not need to be out there in the world that's untrue. And that's when the conspiracy theorist turn on it right. Will you must be worse than all them. You must be tied up in this. You must be a criminal It's really really unfortunate and it shows you know I mean I guess it doesn't need to be said bitch shows how silly some of the or how blatant politics in these conspiracy Forms are now. Trump has kept up. These lies He had a tweet on Memorial Day weekend member when we had the guy standing up in the Rose Garden the other day saying Mr President. In one of your mother's Day tweets out now on Memorial Day weekend tweets several Republicans as we mentioned have come forward. Liz Cheney Representative Peter King Mitt Romney. Cheney had a had a quote here I think the president should stop tweeting about Joe. Scarborough were in the middle of a pandemic. He's a commander in chief of this nation. Etcetera House Minority leader. Kevin McCarthy bleeding was asked about a Wall Street Journal editorial that also told trump to knock it off here was his response. I haven't read that editorial I was not here with Joe Scarborough. I don't quite know about the subject itself. I don't know the subject. Well Jesus Christ now two things about that. How much do you have to know about the subject? To thank the president. Should knock it off and number two. Do you think Kevin McCarthy is going to retreat to his office and study this issue and then come back with a more Absolutely not absolutely not. You want to know how the White House's handling this or spinning this. Here's press secretary Kayla mcenaney from a Tuesday press conference states and he's accusing somebody of possibly different. He's he's he's not a private since the president and just scarborough. If we want to start talking about false accusations we have quite a few. We can go through about Meka. Certain Meka the president's time to you and saying this morning has recently. I believe it was this morning or yesterday. Meka accused the president of being responsible for one hundred thousand deaths in this country. That's incredibly irresponsible. They've dragged his family through the mud. False accusations that. I won't go through that. I would not say from this podium against the president of the United States and they should be held to account for their falsehoods. I mean I would like to say that was a master class in Straw manning and deflection. But I don't think she did either of those things very well. She did them Insistently and loudly. That also we've out we've outlawed the term masterclass. So so yes. Your point is taken. But the whole statement yeses off-limits. Sorry she She deflected So Archie ran into drama an and and white recovered from it. I don't know how much time how much Kaley mcenaney really matters to us because clearly the it's to me it's shocking that in an understaffed under like under everything. White House. They somehow have time to do like massive amounts of research on the person that the president is accusing of murder. I mean really. This is what the conspiracy forms are doing to the husband right. I mean as soon as someone as soon as instead of instead of accepting that you might have done something wrong you just double down and do an work even harder to prove not the thing that you accused someone of but that there's anything to point the point at them and accuse them of else in the world that might stick better. Yeah and that might indicate that what you're insinuating. They did is bullshit. So here are ten other things about Joe Scarborough. That might distract from that question. Almost don't want to give the ridiculousness of this any more time. But I do think there's one questions really interesting here. Which is why is trump doing this? Yeah I was wondering this too. He is not running against Joe. Scarborough for president just in case. Anybody got confused. Joe Scarborough will not be appearing on the ballot. He's he's not in the. He's not in the finals to be. Joe. Biden's running me so that's not happening. he is. You know if if you imagine like trump's maximum fantasy being executed here like the the police reopened quote unquote cold case gets Joe Biden. So what rally what. What what are you talking about? But I thought Jonathan Chait had the best theory which is when trump goes after people like this. They tend to turn into trump supporters. So take for instance Ted Cruz remember. What trump said about Ted Cruz? Dad Oh yeah and the JFK assignation. Who's a Superfan of Donald trump right now or at least a super anti anti-trump right now ted? Cruz some stuff trump said about Ben Carson. Same thing right Ben Carson the cabinet right now so I think part of this is that trump's experience is telling him if I do this. I will bring this person into my orbit. I completely believe that's a possibility. I would danner one contrarian opinion to into into evidence. Please back in two thousand seventeen as you know. Trump tweeted about this situation before and the light from it says win. Oh is that he says well the fake news practitioners NBC be terminating the contract Griffin and will they terminate the low ratings Joe Scarborough based on the quote unsolved mystery unquote? That took place in Florida. Years ago. I want to draw specific attention to those quotes. Because as we all know unsolved. Mysteries is the name of television program. And then if you go back to tweet that sent all this emotion he he uses the term cold case and he capitalizes it. There's no reason to capitalize cold gays. Unless you have just been watching cold-case on a quarantine binge watch all right. I don't WanNa get in the weeds here. But he does but later he does say he doesn't encourage the Florida investigators to keep digging and use forensic geniuses forensic geniuses mind immediately. Goes TO SEE US I I. Maybe I'm maybe that's a reach their but forensic files were. Yeah listen to. Trump is trump is not just like us but he is trapped right now except when he goes to Florida for for launch but he stuck in the White House too so maybe he's just watching a lot just way too much TV. Yeah well that that's Normal. Though right trump would not need the pandemic start watching way too much. Tv or maybe he's tired of watching the news channels because it's too much about the pandemic and so he's going to. Cbs On demand. So the trump was watching God friend at me and then it got cancelled and he got mad. Exactly went back to the archives and found cold-case Robert Stack's unsolved mysteries like our childhood. I think you're right. I mean if you're just like a really just incredibly undiscriminating consumer of television writ large right. It's not talking about a streaming service. I'm not talking about quality. Tv. Just anything that's on you will find tons of just unsolved. Mystery shows right. Oh yeah you find that kind of like you know? Msnbc things and forty eight hours investigates and all these things are kinda still just playing into the ether. Different places there is a definite chance Consumer that absolutely semi related story. David Twitter started fact checking Donald Trump. This week Oh yeah. They were not fact checking him about this. They were fact checking his also over the top and false claims about mail in ballots and voter fraud. So all of a sudden you get this little blue exclamation point at the bottom of trump tweet According to Nick course any of the New York Times takes you to a moments page where. There's a politico article linked to a political article and at twitter written summary of the fact check so this is a question that's been bubbling around wait. Trump IS THE PRESIDENT. Trump puts false thing on twitter. Should twitter. Remove the tweet or add a fach check? What do you think about that? Well first of all. I'm not quite. I'm not entirely sure that this is unrelated. I think that this was you know on the verge of happening regardless and I'm and I wouldn't be surprised if behind the scenes the scarborough tweet sort of push their hand a little bit But I do think it's an interesting way to sort of. I'm not sure how compelling I mean Tim I can say is an old man. That like twitter's in-house fact check at least just visually was not didn't. I don't know that would have changed my mind but I I'm guessing for a lot of younger. People who are social media for social media is the primary form of Communication. It might have been much more compelling and certainly it's a much more compelling than outsourcing to scopes or doing whatever facebook is tried in the past right you know my initial reaction is is that. I hope works. You know I mean I. I hope that I mean I think that more importantly and we've seen the way trump reacted to this and we can talk about that but I think more important almost in spreading the truth because that makes twitter a kind of a publisher and editor right and that becomes problematic in its own way but I think the more important thing is that it would discourage sort of deliberate falsehoods from purveyor such as the president. Yeah I mean maybe maybe maybe trump is a bad example of this because what we're discouraged. Donald Trump at this point. Yeah I mean Sam. Biddle tweeted this. What is the Ven Diagram of? People who think trump's tweets reflect reality in some way and people who are willing to give serious consideration to an insanely mealy mouth disclaimer plus analysis of the twitter fact. Check team yeah. It's kind of what I was feeling. So you know right in a way it's like. I don't know if this is like twitter. Doing this for twitter right can say we did something right. We put a fact check on this. Never mind that this is settled law with people and this is probably going to actually change. No one's minds but we have you know some and when the when the scorecard of twitter dot com is added up we will have fact checked Donald Trump right. We did not totally fact Jack. Donald trump yeah. I think that'd probably that I'm sure that's the motivating factor earliest one of the big ones. But I wouldn't discount. I'm not sure that ven diagram is really very big. But but I do think that as as blinder too so much so many of us are I mean so much of the American public and even voting public are too. I mean we we. Just you know there's so many reports about how we experience all news sort of tunnel vision. That's just like were. We are very specific to our political affiliations. And don't see much outside information and whatever else. I do think that there is a weird power to just the little exclamation point icon being below something when you read something and you. You're taking new information from someone. You admire like president trump in the same inhalation. At least you know even if you don't click through that you know there's some question being given to it because I believe because there's a lot of people and that imaginary ven diagram that you're right that would that would believe everything he says completely you know and maybe this will give them a moment's pause probably not though speaking of twitter David. It's time for the overwork twitter joke of the week. Yeah segue where we celebrate a gag. That was so obvious that all of media twitter made it exactly the same time. Send your nominees to at the press. Box pod David. A tweet from W. L. P. G. in south Florida until it can host games and shows again. The Miami Dolphins will be turning hard rock stadium into a drive in movie theater drive in movie theater. It was an overworked twitter joke to write. That will be the dolphins best drive all year. Thanks to Joe Night Report from the New York Times as Peter Baker. The White House says trump will sign an executive order quote pertaining to social media tomorrow but provides no details on what it might say or do this is part of trump's war on the social media platforms as we've seen. It was an overworked twitter joke to write. It is now illegal to ruin a ban by changing lehrer thanks to a s G and another online news David. Did you see Mark Zuckerberg come out and Contra twitter say that social media should not be a fact Checker yes Cameron Winkle Voss. You'll remember from the social network also had an opinion. He tweeted fact. Checking is a euphemism for editorializing which is a form of censorship. And that's a fact. Cameron winkle vase weighing in with essentially the same opinion is Mark Zuckerberg was an overworked twitter joke to right. I assume he's putting this on the record for when he says he had the idea before. Mark Zuckerberg thanks to Scott. Tobias view found a reason to drag the winkle vie in a new decade and during a pandemic congrats. You made the overworked twitter joke of the week in the notebook dump. David let us do some listener. Mail your new here. We do this every Thursday. We got a note from Matt Cox. Who's been watching the Bundesliga on Fox? F S One. Kinda turned into America's weekend morning programming is weekday morning programming to Listen to one of these announcers David who is clearly a fan of the press box shot his position anyway thanks to the world soccer commentators where we appreciate the listen. This David From Wesley. Baulch many people watch Brady and Manning in the match. To what other activity would you like to watch? People participate in outside their normal job. A Cable News Anchor Bowling League a journalist Ping Pong Tournament. Hod cast host. Game of Cornhole Well I would definitely sign up for the for the cornhole tournament. Podcast cornhole can be a real. Real moneymaker earlier. Real great way for us to justify like drinking outside That's a really good question. What would I like well? I mean athletes. Playing other. Sports is always funny Be Immediate need to stop golf. If it's just like you know football players bowling or you know soccer players playing basketball. There's a I mean there's a lot of options. There watched that would you watch. That'd be on a soccer player so I didn't watch the golf thing either. I mean oh can I use this just to make a point about the golf thing for a second? Yeah because it. It had like six million viewers or something like that and I saw some tweets at eight. You know when you present golf properly. You really can't get an audience. You know how you get an audience for golf. Have the two most famous. Nfl players in the last twenty five years play golf alongside Tiger Woods. Nasr GonNa Happen at colonial in a few weeks and it was awesome. I loved them at. I did watch it. I watched almost every minute of Kevin Clarke wrote a great piece about it for the ringer. You should read. It was awesome. It is really really hard to replicate something like that. Unless Tom Brady and peyton manning will be doing something else in humorous fashion. I would like to see us feel I gotTA FIGURE IT OUT I. What IS THE SIMPLEST GAME? The simplest tasks that just drives people into absolute states of madness like anger and then pick the people who you would like like most to be angry like different kinds. Like if you had ex presidents competing in a round of boggle like. That could be just fantastic. I was gonna say riding a ringer piece on deadline. I'm not. I don't think anybody would watch that. This is from declan. Mclaughlin E. Sports and gaming have been on the rise since pandemic. Do you think this trend will continue in post pandemic world or will it exit the mainstream as quickly as it entered asking as an east sports journalist to a couple of traditional guys I respectfully declined to answer. I mean I. I don't know that any prediction I really could have had about any point in the past would have been well might have been right but it wouldn't have been right based on any sort of legitimacy myself what do you think. I think it's gotten a little bit of a pandemic bump like everything else. You see that like I racing that the NASCAR drivers did for actual NASCAR came back. Did like a million viewers on Fox. Something like that you know. I think we are but you know what if you were trying to build a sport like that you absolutely take advantage of moments like this right? This is when you show yourself to a lot of people. The thing about East sports. I've never understood at as a purely as a television property. You know if you're talking about youtube and all that stuff I'm all in but it's something that's going to get a look on. Tv is the kind of people who subscribe to cable are. Not the kind of people generally speaking like sports right. It's just a totally different audience than that platform right people that have the people that are still paying for cable forensic files David Side. It's Donald Trump right like. I think there's a little bit of a of a strange thing there in terms of growing in that way. Yeah I mean and also. I don't want to over generalize from the perspective of parenthood but I think that there's obviously the eastwards audiences much younger than these other sport audiences. We're talking about on average and I don't think we can really. I don't think we should overlook the number of potential young East sports fans who are Whose parents are begging them to go find a find a way to occupy themselves during the pandemic a love this question from. Mvp hunting knife. What would have been worse for either of you graduating high school or college during Covid? Nineteen who This is easy to me. What would have been worse graduating high school or College? High School go on we would have actually missed the stuff at the into high school year. Like the last four months of Paschal and you and I are gonNA desperately try to avoid any incriminating details here but the last four months at Pasco were pretty great and I have hated missing though. Sorta rights of graduation I really would have. I don't really remember the last four months of college that is not A. I was drunk joke though I was also drunk but I don't remember really anything. I did during that period other than up colleges over. I'm taking some kind of easy classes time to get a job but I intensely remember my senior year of high school. I have intense memories but very few of them. I'm sympathetic to the argument that you're that you miss those. Those great beats is great moments and I have a nephews in that exact position is really down about it. You know he has been I. I can't I don't on the flipside I can't help it. Imagine that like with a couple of years distance. It's not going to be. I mean I feel like in a couple of years. It's going to be cool to say like I was one of those kids you know. Obama spoke at my graduation. It was on the Internet but like I was. I was that year which is a lot. Cooler than the alternative also severed and apart from the actual matriculation. Gr- if Going on when you were graduating high school. I mean sure the last thing you WanNa do when you're eighteen to spend more time with your parents but at least you would have had home right. I mean you would have had a comfortable place to be quarantining for months and months in place you're used to. You can go watch east sports in your bedroom whereas when you graduate college I mean I you know I M my rent in Waco Texas was laughably low but I wasn't exactly saving putting it in the bank putting money in the bank so like I don't know how far my bartending money would have taken me into a into an epidemic for paying rent and I probably would have ended up at home anyway and way more unhappy anyway i. It's never fun. It would never be fun. It's not fun for anybody. And Yeah that sucks. I was trying to see if I could tell a story about our last couple of months of high school. I remembered one was a pool party involved. You but you know what people are still alive. We can't do that yet. This is Andrew Kofsky. If each of you choose to be a regular contributor to one. Tv news show cable or Sunday. Which would it be? This is too much pressure If I could be you know what my secret one always was what. Cbs Sunday morning. Go because I never dreamed of being a cable. Pundit like all those you know that's that's a rewards you get what you become. A big political writer is that the cable channel can just someone you to the studio at all times. That sounds horrible to me. I mean I understand. That's the price of getting famous. And that's how you make money and all that stuff but that sounds like a frigging nightmare that I just have to go put on a suit or go stand from my Webcam and talk to you know just fill in any host even the good ones at night. That sounds terrible. Cbs Sunday morning. Yeah I can. I can go somewhere in America. Report out a thoughtful kind of you know. Nice lucky on a story. A kind of rippling brook or sunrise will be the bumper into my story. I'm in Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's I mean you're right. I mean there's a lot of options here if I could just if there was you know if there was a bubble I could I could fill in on the scantron that was just like I want Chris. Connolly's job then yes like I would choose that one you know. We're we're just you know showing up a couple times a year with that same music and bubbling brook. Whatever behind me just talking about some just you know no no no. I'm not saying that specifically I'm just saying you have a little bit more freedom and guess that kind of job that kind of job sort of you know yeah. Literary Brett's potential literary brand for the way you present yourself sure sure that'd be really great man. I mean I agree. I wouldn't WANNA be like on-call to do hard news. It's not even hard news right like you could be me back to like CBS. Evening News. Nineteen eighty-five Brian. Volcano erupted. Get on a plane and go stand in front of it and say it was a it was a dark day here at Mount Saint. Helen's I'm up for that but like have a take on the political news of the night you know. Oh my God the sit horrible I mean would it be easier rather than do it sincerely would be easier to choose like Fox News Red Eye and just go to verity of give information of opinion new journalists me dead last on the list right or maybe Joe Jesse waters contributed moving waters world. Because I don't even know what I have to do. Is You have to do some funny man on the street stuff. That's this. Oh Chris David. This is almost where the whole topic someday. So let's do it. What would an EX president? Donald Trump tweeting all day if he loses the next election. Look like and would it be more corrosive to American politics than him being president. I'm fascinated by post presidency trump. Rather whether that's a year or four years from now because all these things like this Joe Scarborough thing that we talked about earlier. How big of a story is that? If trump is not the president of the United States right as that just some weird I mean it would be a story right but trump being president is the reason a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with American politics. Nothing to do with his policy. His conduct of the office gets to the top of the news. He what do you think I? I'm really fascinated by two from slightly different direction. I wonder if say your producers morning Joe or you know you pick any kind of talk show. I wonder if if trump wants trump has gone. If you actually do take the advice that everyone's been giving each other and ignoring for the past four years which is just like if you ignore the crazy stuff. Maybe it'll go away and I wonder to what degree people would just choose to ignore trump post-presidency because because frankly we've been telling ourselves out for so long but also because you just end up giving oxygen to these things you know. I I mean the flip side of that is just because he's not president anymore. It doesn't mean that Shit won't drive ratings even for shows like morning Joe and everything else so sure that I mean it'll be. It will still be a tough call and I and I would be surprised if it happened. I just I think him raging about like Republican. Politicians him started talking about. Who am I going to support in a particular Senate race or some? I still think that's when he'll be really able to command everybody's attention because he will have a decent amount of control over lots and lots of people in the world lots of them but by wish I mean voters. Yeah but I wonder how much he's actually going to be interested in that right. I mean right. Now he's well even before the quarantine he was. He largely Quarantined in terms of the information that was circling around him and the things that were affecting his life by that I mean he was born in the presidency. I wonder if once he's out and gets a little bit of time to decompress if he's not just going to go back to where he was before when like once a month he would tweet about. Obama being in Kenya. But like the rest of the time he was congratulating people on TV. And like you know talking shit about someone who we found out later like you know. Let their mar-a-lago membership lapse. Great stuff although yeah. I think we might get that trump. Back sportswriter Adams Lanka Zeal Lanka. Sorry over the Washington Times assists. Will we ever get a David opener from Brian? Before the intro music I notice those went away when the pandemic hit in the US but holding out. Hope they can return soon. Are you going to answer? Well I was I was GonNa say I thought we should bring him back. I think it's time we almost brought him back fairly soon. After like you know about a month into the pandemic I think didn't in that moment for no particular reason and then it just sort of. I don't know I think the gravity of the situation just kind of rises and falls different times but yeah maybe it's time to bring him back. Maybe it's time to bring back. I think it's a nature is healing moment for this podcast. I mean listen Brian. You can ask me my opinion all you. All that has to happen is free to ask a question. I really have. No I have dog in the race and I have no. I don't I don't have any power here if you if you asked me a question to start the show. I am contractually obligated. Answer coming soon. David's name said in a weird and sort of unsettling way at the top of this podcast are David over the last few weeks. We've been able to Al Bundy ourselves on the couch and watch a little NASCAR. We watch some famous men play golf. Now we're starting to see Major. Sports events inch their way toward our TV screens. But here's the question what will empty arena or empty stadium. Sports look like on TV. I talked about that with the ringers. Very own rob. Mahoney are I rob so everybody? And by everybody I mean lowly journalists like us and the actual people who make television are trying to figure out what sports TV is GonNa look like when the major sports comeback. You have a really interesting piece of the ring. Dot Com today about how the warriors are planning to play the nets in an empty arena on March twelve. The game never happen but the warriors and their TV crew prepared like it was going to happen. What kinds of mad scientist ideas did they have for an empty arena broadcast? What I think there was somewhat limited by the time right. I mean there. It's announced on the morning of the eleventh at this game is going to happen. They have I guess. Thirty six hours or so to get all their ducks in a row and so from there is kind of mad dash. It's not quite as mad. Scienc- as I think we're ultimately going to see just because when you put people in a neutral site arena in a bubble type situation not only adding to the till fans out of it but all all of the ambiance of of Standard Mba arena. Really in an there to be broadcast. You just have to do a lot more from a broadcast perspective. So I think this was this kind of looks at a starting point right. It's in this very specific situation given the only real context we have of an NBA team and its surrounding apparatus preparing for one of these games. What can you do with that? Where can you take it? And I think ultimately will see stretch even further. You are in favour as I am of getting fairly crazy and fairly creative during this period. Yeah I think so. I mean I think really you know we talked about this in the piece but it comes down to kind of philosophical question of do you want to make the broadcast and a game experience as similar to normal as possible or do you want to accentuate. All of the weirdness of the stuff and to me. That's really the only option from a broadcast perspective. Because if you try to play it straight if you try to play it as if everything is normal I think people will see through that critically emotionally like something. We'll just feel off from viewer perspective. And so the more you gonNA throw at the wall to show to show the distance to show scope to show frankly the empty arena of it all. I think you need to call that out or else it's going to seem a little disingenuous. So here's the push pull. I think though the networks like ESPN and ABC presumably where some of these games are GonNa land just need the NBA to comeback. So much right. This is an economic imperative. Not Quite an existential problem. Good we're getting there right at. Some point needs sports to come back so I think on the one hand the people sort of making these decisions are GonNa okay. Let's be creative. Let's do cool stuff that we normally do on the other hand they're gonNA be like we need to have a very recognizable. Nba Basketball Product. That people are GonNa like. That's not gonNA turn anybody off because we need every set eyeballs. We can possibly get. What do you think about that? I think there's some truth to it for sure and and some it is. I think the power of sports and a lot of ways is it's recognisability. Is the idea that you know you know the players. You know how you know all the rules. It just feels like a very familiar format and so the more you deviate from. There is going to be a little bit of a reaction a little bit of a shock. I think we see it anytime that the broadcast is tampered with. In any way under normal circumstances you know any kind of visual aid that's added. There's just a huge backlash to You know I think sports fans as a whole are obviously very dog. Matic about a lot of things Broadcast being one of them. But I think you know as the NBA showing on the competitive side toying with its playoff formats and things like that. If there ever were a time where there would be more of an allowance for this kind of thing. I think it's now and so if there is going to be room for experimentation. I think this is certainly the window to do it. And that is one of the unspoken things about this because the commissioner of the League is ultimately kind of the secret coordinating producer of all the League's content right. So if something gets on the air that Adam silver doesn't like ADAM SILVER IS GONNA call. Espn and be like. Please don't ever do that again. And in all likelihood ESPN's going to be like sounds great. So you know if you consider that. I'm much more confident that silver is going to be a lot more permissive and a lot more open minded than say Roger Goodell is GonNa be when and if the NFL starts in September. So you know he'll be the one maybe say okay. Let's do cool camera stuff. Let's Mike the Players. Maybe a little bit more than we normally would. Let's allow you to kind of create a sort of different TV broadcasts than we would if we had normal programming. I think that's what makes it in terms of a TV product different from any regular sports season or playoff or postseason. We've ever seen because it's going to be this living thing. There's going to be a lot more feedback from you know within networks as you were describing from teams from the League itself reshaping this thing as they go and it's really rare especially in leagues like the NBA and the NFL. That we get that kind of wild west feeling of no one really knows what they're doing I think will you know maybe some front office aside? You could argue when it comes to draft time or something like that but in terms of the way that is produced and put out into the world. This is a really interesting throwback to a time that a lot of basketball fans. Nba Fans never experienced firsthand worthy NBA. Kind of had to figure it shit out couple notes from your piece. You talked to Mike Breen Voice of the NBA on ESPN and Breen had said back in April on real sports that he didn't think he was going to be calling games from an arena when and if the NBA Campaign S. He said he was going to do it. In a studio my bet is that Mike Breen will be there when this comes back just because the NBA is going to have okay. We we have like you know a couple dozen people that we want inside this bubble and Mike Breen and Jeff Van Gundy Mark Jackson will be among those people if they wanna come just because again as crazy WANNA be. I think you do want it to sound as you do. Want to have a lot of the broadcast. That sounds fairly normal. So having Mike Breen courtside Is Part of that? What did you get a sense of? Where his thinking is in terms of whether he'll be there are not well now. I just kind of want to come up with the guest list of the dozen people we won in the bubble along with the NBA teams. Oh we've been calling US bubble worthy. This is this is the new measure of power and NBA meeting. We could be talking to somebody right now. Who'S BUBBLE WORTHY? I don't know you know because I got a list right. It's it's wo- it's windhorst. Kris Haines is probably on the list. It's kind of like if there's a nuclear disaster and you have who who we get to put in the underground bunker that's the bubble is for the NBA. No it's true and you ask Brian about that too if he would want go. Because I think you know especially if you're broadcaster if you're someone who's not participating in the Games your presence in a lot of ways is somewhat optional. You know you're not essential personnel as it were to run an NBA playoff. But I think as far as media goes you hit it. That is you know kind of first-ballot I hear among that group because he gives the game. It's it's kind of familiar texture. And so if you're going to have all these weird factors experiments all these different avenues. You're trying to exploit explore and you also want to have the energy in the building and the energy and the broadcast to come across. I think guys like bring really essential to that because to me when you hear his voice you think of an NBA playoff experience. And there's so many going to be so many visual and audio indicators. This is not normal and this is not the. Nba Playoffs that. Having that I think could go a long way yet. He's not quite the vice president in this scenario but he's like the secretary of the Interior we we. We do need you. We do need you in here. Another very funny note from your piece and this is always entertains me. Is that local broadcast crews especially radio people local television have because of new stadiums and also who want to sell better seats beginning kicked up higher and higher in the arena so they're broadcast positions get worse and worse. As this is the case in chase center they had better seats at Oracle arena. Now they get kicked up high and Jay Center. If these guys make an inside the bubble they might actually be courtside again and we could have them restored to their good seats where they can actually see the action up. Better Justice being served finally our corporate overlords of chase being kicked out kicked to the curb and it's interesting in the warriors case too because Kalina as a Buki who's the color commentator for the warriors. This is first season doing colors. He's only really known on a full-time basis that Shea center environment so in talking to him and talking to all the broadcasters there was that constant question of is my energy level is my volume is my intonation going to be altered in an empty arena and is that going to be awkward at all in terms of that dynamic with the players. And that's kind of interesting pieces to because I think in a lot of sense is we're talking about two parallel experiences. There's the experience of the players which is going to be weird. And there's the experiences of the broadcasters and the visual element broadcast to us as of audience at home and that's going to be weird a different way and then there's these areas where there's kind of a gray blending of the two and I think one of them is if the broadcasters are audible to the players and vice versa and that kind of interplay to an even greater degree than we're used to in a normal broadcast there's the A whole argument happening about crowd noise which I wrote a little bit about today. Think it's probably one hundred percent chance we're going to get some kind of level of ambient noise in broadcast as we've already seen what boondocks league but we are also going to be able probably hear the players a lot more as you point out in your piece today. I go back and forth on this on the one hand. There's GonNa be a dump button that is going to be in heavy rotation because it's like man. I'd love to hear what Draymond Green is saying on the court. Yeah you would but you know who doesn't want you to hear that the FCC because how were those guys going to be able to even if they're told okay we can hear everything you're saying it's GonNa be really really hard for them to censor themselves? That's number one and number two. You talk about hearing them. Like call out defenses and stuff like that. I'm interested in that though. I do suspect that. Maybe the Ringer Nerd. Basketball Hive is more interested in that than your average fan tuning into a Laker game. How much either do you think that will be palatable to a mass audience? It's great question and one that I admittedly have a hard time separating myself from the bubble of being being very deep into that that kind of notary so I think it could be an opt in type situation. Where if you're watching a broadcast and you can't you know if you can hear that stuff if you're looking for it. That could be a good situation where you you still obviously have the commentary from the broadcast. You still have the sounds of the players moving into the dribbling. There's still a lot to listen to other than players calling out coverages or whatnot. So I think it'll be there in some respect almost whether you want it to or not the NBA what separates NBA basketball from all other basketball is the way that the court is Mike Up Right. There's just a different audio experience to an NBA basketball game versus if you see a high school basketball game or Summer League game. There's just a distinctive quality to hearing the Rim hearing the shoes all that element so there's already some of that again. I don't know how you take away. Tens of thousands of fans still have that kind of authentic piece of the experience while not taking proprietary things from the teams that they want to protect while not pissing off every corporate sponsor the NBA has by making their players. Look like assholes. It's it's a really really fine line and I'm glad I don't have to make that decision with a little bit like the goodell silver thing right because I just feel. Nfl teams. Football teams generally are so paranoid. There's probably like zero zero scenarios unless it's something goofy like the xfl where they want you to hear what the quarterback is saying to the coach. I don't know that the NBA cares all that much. Because I feel we see huddle cams all the time with Steve Kerr drawing up a defense or drawn up a play and that that just goes out over the air all the time so I don. I don't know that they would be as protective about the secrets of it. Right you know to me. It's almost is going to be discernible to the fan or do we have enough time right for van. Gundy and Jackson okay. Let's take thirty seconds and tell you what they're talking about And explain it to you. Average person To to really make it pop on broadcast and they certainly could Jeff Van Gundy and Mark Jackson have taken on they just become stickier and stickier. I think over the years. It's just kind of worn into them them. I know how no but both of them and especially Jeff Van Gundy can really brilliantly breakdown those kinds of nuances of why things are working there. Aren't these different elements? I mean he's a brilliant. Nba Coach so having that degree of not only being able to see the play calls see the development. No they've run this this many times in the game previously. It's been working at has been working for these reasons. I think you do need an element of translation with advance stats with any kind of again deeper. Kind of secondary level of knowledge of the game or details. You want that kind of translation work done but they could certainly do it and I do agree that the NBA in particular is not quite as protective of its state. Secret so to speak just because you have things like advance scouting which are just like endorsed spying already. Teams are already in you. Know teams are already in each other's arenas documenting play calls. They know what other teams run. They know exactly what's coming players. The other teams are aware this stuff too so there's only so much to guard but again the huddle to some respects may be kind of a sacred place in that you know especially when you're talking about we need one to win this playoff game in what is already a really strange situation. Yeah we we may not get like. Here's the here's the here's the winning shot I'm drawn up on my on my whiteboard now breen also brings up really funny thing in your piece. Which is let's say. Mark Jackson and Van Gundy and and Van. Gundy has done this. Maybe once or twice in his whole career are bagging on the refs or bagging on one of the coaches and because it's an empty arena. Those people can hear them bagging being bagged upon my saying that right being bagged above. What happens then the think I mean? Each dynamic is going to be really interesting in itself. I think the rest in particular art area of just totally new ground here. Because we're used to hearing some stuff from the players some stuff from coaches that will get caught on the Mike. We really don't hear a lot from the refs and especially as interpersonal relationships with players. Go and now. You're going to hear a lot unless you're just really holding down that delay but really wearing it out for non draymond green reasons so that part of it's going to be really interesting. I do think there's GonNa be some awkwardness there. Especially when when you think about. What is the role of a broadcast commentator especially the former coach former player type of commentator in the booth? A lot of it is second guessing. What's happening the Florence? Why is this player in? You know. Why'd you let this lineup go longer than it should have a nugget them rest wide? You call that play. It's all inherently stuff. That is challenging. What happens on the court and when those players are active participants in that conversation? I'm hoping I'm hoping we get a little bit fireworks. At least could it be amazing of Jeff Van Gundy gets run during NBA game that he is calling rather than coaching is. What a turn of events. That would be one more question for you. This is more like media. Broadly defined you talk about this in your piece which is when you go to an NBA game or just watch on television. There are tons of music elements happening inside the stadium these are largely to entertain fans. And keep everybody's attention kind of in one place during a game but as you point out players really rely on this stuff and if you were to take away musical elements that would be weird to them. Tell me what kind of role that plays in their psychology. And maybe what you would guess the. Nba's thinking in terms of the production in stadium of the game. I think it plays a big role and some of it is with all this stuff an conceptualizing what this game could look like one thing. I kept coming back to was you. Kinda WANNA avoid the on Caney valley situation where you get too close to the NBA product as normal. It becomes so obvious that the fans aren't there to the players. You know if you have everything else if you have all the defense chance all the props you know it gets a little weird that there's no one in the audience no one participating in this that one piece of it has gone in a in a really eerie way but I think music is something that will be there and that will help for one cover some of the issues. We've been talking about in terms of the Awkward Kenzo here. So and so. What's being picked up on the broadcast from an FCC PERSPECTIVE? It'll clear up some of that stuff because it'll just be muddled by the noise but the players wanted. I think overwhelmingly every player. I've spoken to every player I've read comments from about the no fan experience. Music comes up a lot for just that reason. It gives them a level of comfort. It gives them a level level of rhythm and the cases we've seen in which teams have tried to cut it. Players have pushed back really strongly that it's something that they rely on. I would be shocked if we don't have some kind of music element in the arena whence game start to come back for the NBA. At least it's so funny because one of the truly out their ideas for football and baseball telecasts is to put a musical score under game. I wrote about this a little bit today. It has been tried in the NFL amazingly and essentially what you do. Is You have a play the play as normal but when you go to the slow motion replay. You put music under it that matches what happens. So if it's an eighty five yard broken field run were hearings up. Big Lusty theme of You. Know of an action movie. Maybe and if the quarterback is getting destroyed by the edge rusher maybe here a sadder piece of music but the funny thing about this is NBA. Games are kind of already scored. They're just scored inside the arena instead of in the broadcast and I could also imagine if if this is the no fan reality. We're facing the. The audio engineer can turn up that sound within the arena. A bit not so it drowns out the announcement but can can kinda give us that score a little bit more since. We're not going to hear the fans you know. I'm open to this idea but I want them to be scoring it live. I want John Williams like scribbling things down as the play develops a whiteboard. We're GONNA do this. We'll go here in the orchestra pit. We're going to go right here. How credible at that be. But I think you're right in the way that Games are scored. If you talk to people in game ops in arenas there's a lot of thought put into the rhythms of a game when you play certain cues how you're maneuvering over the course of a quarter there really is an arc to this stuff and especially in arenas where it's more of an organ being played versus just kind of like and sound cues from top forty hits or whatever it's already baked into the sport and that's one thing that I think again would be really awkward if you took away but also with lend itself to a little bit of that experimentation. We've been talking about if you do want to get a little more creative with it just playing around with that so you can. Rebrov Mahoney's piece on the Ring Dot Com right now. He is bubble worthy filling out his application right now going undergoing the FBI background. Check Rob Best of luck to you. Get inside the bone strongest endorsement. I could hope for. Thanks all right. Thanks to rob for that. It's now time for David. Shoemaker guesses the strain on headline Mondays headline about a renegade salon owner in Texas was. Remember the Alamo. D- remember the Alamo. I thought we'd go slightly different direction today. David you saw that crazy pool party at lake of the Ozarks last weekend. That got so much run on twitter. Yeah oh I remember very well. I've read a lot about it. It was hosted by Missouri. Restaurant called backwater. Jacks one attendee tells buzzfeed's Lauren. Strap he'll now that I think about it. Probably not a great idea but there is no law. When you're drinking the claw referring to white cloths popular Hartselle. I thought there was something. I my bullshit meter off backwater. Jacks this whole thing is a marketing gimmick for White Claw isn't it? This entire Party was mark. It might have been you think so. He says there is no law. When you're drinking the claw unless you're under the employ of Waclaw we think a native ad slipped into buzzfeed. That's Buzzfeed has been calling carbon many times for their own native ads. So they've found the best way to get it in buzzfeed trick them into thinking it's news. This is fantastic stub at the risk of more marketing. The pond I want from you. David is the name of the Party. Not a headline. This is the name of the Party. Your Pun Word is GonNa be ducks ducks and the essence of the GAG. Is that the attendees. Were not scared of Corona Guy Not Scared of Corona doll plus ducks. What was the lake of the ozarks strained Pawn Party title? What is the ducks coming from? Well that's just a word in this. Okay it's a with a word in the title of the Party I'm not scared of Corona David. Okay sorry so it's not like it's not like we're no sitting ducks it's like something is putting off of duck you're okay man Duck and cover ducking ducking out duckie a Mallard Duck What if I start you with the Word Zero Zero Duck thirty zero? I don't even know what that means. I'm climate up there. 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Lebron's coach?, Brady's WR, Leader Big Ben?, Rosen trade

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Lebron's coach?, Brady's WR, Leader Big Ben?, Rosen trade

"I run a welcome. The first things first I'm general that is the whole favorite Chris Carter and just like every everyday Mr. Nick good to see is. Looking for. Hands on your. They're all good. Hey, we've got a great show today. Thank you for the compliment, the Laker on an eight seconds. The Lakers are reportedly worried about LeBron's health. Mike Tomlin's coming into the defense of big band. But we start the television program with the New England Patriots. Even before the news of gronk retiring the champs, we're looking for more weapons for Tom Brady and Tonio Brown in head-scratching move released an audiotape of a conversation. He had with his agent Rosenhaus where they discussed the patriots interest in making an offer for him for Tony Brown. The patriots also reportedly inquired about Odal Beckham junior as well. See those are big names, which I'm sure would warrant big money. How much would a top wide receiver help extend Tom Brady's career? If you look at it from first of football perspective. Tell it always helps. But but the thing about that is there's there's two different rules in NFL there. There is what New England does. And what the rest of the league does the rest of the man's far as your offense. It's not going to be as efficient as possible unless you have a top flight number one bona fide receiver but New England through the years how they decide to move the football. They've done it a couple of different styles. The first few Super Bowls. It was ground and pound. Good defense. Turn the ball over play on a short field. Played a percentages. All that Tom Brady came into his own top five offense in the league. Throw it as much as you want to take advantage of the running backs on linebackers. Tidy ends on linebackers in nickel. Bax take advantage of the rules in the passing game. This last Super Bowl ODA Rams. Don't have one linebacker on the roster over two hundred and thirty yards. You know, we're getting ready to get my jammed the ball down their throat they played a chargers to charges. Don't have any big linebackers know what they're getting ready do jammed the ball down their throat. So they know. Oh, how to do? This is far as style in the number one thing that I see with New England is how they're going to manage the salary cap. And as long as Tom Brady is plain Bella chick had a philosophy. We're Tom Brady is basically giving them man carte blanche to be able to take him at a discounted rate that no team in the history of the league is ever had that type of advantage. And Bella check what he's going to spend on the salary on aging players like so the best receiver Brady had was Randy moss. And how did he get him? Go ahead. No. I mean, he was playing his way out of Oakland. They could get him dirt cheap for fourth round pick. And why did you use Randy? And no, no. And he took a pay cut took a pay cut till and you came there to prove himself, and why did he end up getting shipped out because he was doing great on the field. I want to be one of the top plate. Why receivers? Oh, it's time to go by later. And that's why listen I didn't think the Antonio Brown betrayed ever was a real possibl. As soon as New England heard part of trading for Antonio Brown was going to be giving him a new contract that I think because they could have easily trumped what the raiders gave and draft compensation. The Odell situation. I thought was more 'cause I only go Dell's getting a new contract anytime soon his his new contract kicks in this year. Like he is on his new contract. And because the signing bonus portion was already paid by the giants. Odell around fifteen million dollars a year that doesn't break the Bank for New England based upon Gilmore around eleven million per year. Like that would be in line with the way the patriots do things, but they weren't going to come up with the draft compensation that obviously the Browns they weren't going to give up a first third and a player. So for New England probably within a first and a second. But as far as the knee Jenna, how important is it? I don't think having a great wide receiver extends Brady's length of career. I think it extends his ability to stay in this second or third prime. He has discovered because if we think about Tom Brady the MVP caliber Tom Brady, not the game manager champion Tom Brady that started in oh seven with moss and for most seven to twenty seventeen he baits uninterrupted within elite level pass catcher moss to gronk to gronk until last year. And gronk last year was no longer elite level pass catcher. And what did you see? You. Saw Brady's numbers. Take a haircut. You saw the patriots offense of numbers take a haircut, and you saw them have to reinvent themselves. They were still super affective. It's why we talked about the reemphasise on the run game for the patriots. Because they had no one that we're gonna throw the ball last year. They was the first time in a decade. The patriots did not have a bona fide legitimate number one receiving option. We haven't looked at them as having that. Because they're number one receiving option had been tight end, but he was so dominant as far as yards per catch it in the red zone that who he was. They are now in a position where they go into next year. Without that spot. It's why we had talked if you could set the personality stuff aside Odell would've been devastating for them. Oh del playing all the wide receiver positions. Odell playing the slot. Some Odell choice routes, but they obviously didn't want to come up with the draft compensation. But I'm not surprised at all they considered it. Because of how brilliantly he would fit what they do offense. Well, it's just not only because a him Bellichik does his homework like as far as pro football. He's the most thorough at every aspect of it knowing the rules what you can do the practices. What you can do in the games what you can do free agent and players how many other bad players on other teams as he turned into real productive players. That's what he does. And he looked at trying to upgrade the wide receiver are there. Patch catches. That's what they did. They they were in a I mean, they they did something special when they drafted Hernandez named grow. Yep. Like, they realize. What how valuable pass catchers were? I just believe at this point. There's not a wide receiver that's going to make Tom Brady's career longer. Because when Tom Brady's tired of playing football like he's going to quit playing football. But as far as them not having a number one and having the luxury of gronk, even though he was a tight in being number one wide receiver that is going to have to be addressed. I don't believe they can continue to be dominant NBA run oriented football team, which they were last year was a report that the patriots were very interested in Tonio Brown. But the Steelers didn't want for obvious reasons to give the patriots to bolster them. I'm sure they know the same thing that we're talking about here. This may not be the best year for the patriots. Why go ahead? And is there something to the fact that maybe teams like the giants or the Steelers wouldn't want to deal with the patriot wanna help Tom Brady out when he's gonna have is clearly need it. I think the Steelers are very unique position. I think teams in the AFC east and teams that think they are contending. For championships. In Tom Brady's window, obviously in the AFC. They obviously don't wanna help New England Patriots. So I get that part of it night disregarded that when I was talking about why the Antonio thing didn't happen. We had talked wealth that about how the Steelers might say, no AFC north themes and not the patriots. We're trying to win. Now. The giant giants fans might have a rivalry with the patriots. But those organizations the giants we're gonna take the best deal possible. They don't they're not competing on the patriots champ. The Tom Brady window. I think the giants love the idea of sending Odell to the AFC. Whether it's the Browns the patriots the jets the jets because they're in New York, the bills, whomever. It would be so no, I don't think that is part of it the only place where having a dominant receiver could I think extend the length that Brady place is see you mentioned he's going to play until he doesn't wanna play anymore. Well what Tom Brady is playing to win Super Bowls. And if you add talent to where they are. If if the patriots go nine. Seven one year. That'll probably be Brady's last year won't be as fun for him. But if you have continued to be dominant continued to appear in championship games at a minimum. Why would he start? This is the thing with Brady Brady believes embellish more than any of us to Brady sees what they done how they've won Super Bowls how they reinvented himself how they change how they were defense what they did this year. So Brady's got confidence in him. Great never goes demand. In a you know, something I need a wide receiver. But because he knows that Bella check is the best at pro football in will get him the necessary. You think Brady dreamt it was came up with the concept? Let's go out and get Josh Gordon. Oh, yeah. He's not. He's not doing. Well. Let's go out and get him. No. He depends on the system of their scouting. And what they do to build a bring him the type of talent and come up with a game plan with Jospin there. The overall continuity we've Dante scar Nekia being there like at some point. We just have to believe they know football better than everyone. Else? I don't there was a better chance of meat plan for the patriots. Then Antonio Brown. Okay. Like to to two big problems. Pittsburgh wouldn't going to train. Kevin colbert. The Jomon he wasn't going to trade to them because they if they're gonna get to a Super Bowl list, they got to go through them and Antonio's demands a won a new contract that would have never happened in New England. That's why I don't believe that probability Odell has the contract that I thought they might take a chance on but his personality would scare them away. So that's why I don't believe that was a fit. All right. We'll talk more about this coming up. But on the other side is LeBron James Halfa Lakers. Biggest concern that's next on. And you can always check us out on the FOX channel on Sirius XM. We'll be right down. The Lakers and just a second. But first wizards and sons, and Jeff green turns back the clock with this dunk on dragon vendor. You have green. Jeff green trying to get some kid back, man. Of course has got his footsteps on LA the night before listen, Jeff green this time. Here's got turn it on to be contract for Jeff green, go get that money. My man warriors in grizzly liberal different. Green Draymond unleashes the full court pass to K D for the buzzer, beating Landy malls. He most. Oh, yeah. Two point two. Great play. Great throw by Draymond great catch by Katie. Putting his body on shielding making sure you keep the ball over the outside shoulder. Just the way teacher to the keys. Okay. Katie A liking Rikers jazz. Donovan Mitchell, spins away from land Stevenson and slams at home. No, I'm going to you always try to give DeVille McGee credit like men, Chris. He's really smart. Oh, yeah. He's really smart. He's getting ready. Get punched on right here. Well, I'm not going to give him credit for this your seven to jail golden get tests. You said he was smart. He listen. I said off the court is smart. You told me off the court. The core. Same game. Scott Machado tosses up the eve to Alex Caruso, puts it down the old Scott Machado, Alex Caruso. What does this karate kid alleyoop? Didn't we think about the show to LA, man? Didn't someone Chris Chris like man Nick with your relationships with the Lakers going to be important? We got into this show now to Machado Caruso, see with his relationships. We're in New York. Sticking. Real laugh. I would never have left like that phony among their many needs this off season anew head coach all signs pointing to Luke Walton being let go after this disappointing season. The Lakers reportedly have their sights set on maverick said coach Rick Carlisle the issue there being Carlisle's under contract with Dallas until twenty twenty three. When asked about it. Mark Cuban said LL LL, that's my. Nick, what's the most important quality in the Lakers next head coach through established coach that understands modern oftens basketball in short and a guy that understands how team cannot just get Molly waft in the eight to twelve minutes game. Lebron doesn't no no the eight to twelve minutes a game. Lebron doesn't play. Don't get outscored by a dozen points. Like as been a problem for LeBron not only this year. But the last few years, if we're being honest, but I'm really curious who is I tried to do some digging on this when I saw this yesterday, and I can get no straight answer who is leaking these names. Where how was Rick Carlisle ever realistic option? I didn't understand it like we we mentioned yesterday. Of course, he'd be a great fit. He's one of the five best coaches in basketball. You could argue he's the second best coach he's in the five best coaches. But probably one of the most underrated coaches, so even the people want to question that might be a little high from well, he's definitely wanted to two or three most underrated coaches his way he teaches basketball the skiing that he runs and the atmosphere that he has with Mark Cuban everything that they do as far as taking care of the players. Let's not forget who the Dallas Mavericks were the marriage for the first team that had duplicated their locker room, they do became their locker room because they wanted to visiting team to feel like they were at home. So any potential visiting player felt like as a free agent. This how we treat people Mark Cuban catered meals for the visiting team only team in the NBA to Bill to do it. So they're playing they're playing is. A luxury nightclub on the Mavs are as good of an organization and sports. They now have an incredibly bright future. Yes. You've got Luca Danni, you have Kristaps who I understand people are a little ambivalent on him. But they they feel. They're bullish on where they're going and curls champion there. So like the idea like why didn't I expect popped to be the next Lakers? Rumor, listen, Los Angeles, you're in a rough spot on the coaching search because you do not have the luxury of going with a Nick nurse type. And by that. I mean, hey, an up and coming Sistan coach that we think could be really the reason why you can't do that one. Because that was the plan. You just hit. It was the plan. You just had. And you can't you cannot go for upside you have to go for certainty because you've got two or three years to contend with LeBron as an MVP caliber player, and I know some people think maybe that's too many years like that. That's. Maybe it's only one or two years. I'll say two or three years as LeBron's MVP caliber player. So you'd have to go with the known quantity. So the known quantities are Tyler and guys who have been fired because they didn't work out other places or guys currently in the league. But what you can't you can't just shoot for bullseyes. Like Carlisle is a spectacular coach. He's one of only envelope coaches in the league that has won a championship with his current team. Jack and Cuban loves him. No one's going to let him. I mean. There's just so many reasons to me to speaks to the mismanagement that the Lakers have constantly done under the new regime. Well, let's just put two names out there that guys I know I can't get doc. Rivers already has a secret agreement with the owner, they just hadn't signed it. It's just a matter of time. So that was laughable as far as that named him released. Rick car Lau going to coach Lieven Dallas when Dallas just got right? Like they're going to be in the lottery. And now with the two stars dirt Vinci's hold off retirement. You know, the reason why because things are bright in Dallas things are nice into it makes makes no sense for dark to retire. He might as well, stay an extra year. That's how good things are for the Mavericks right now. And so the other thing to circle back to your question. I mean, disregarded the other most important thing other than the Xs and os part. And I mean understanding the modern NBA offense, which I've only Luke Walton does. And I ain't allowed coaches in the NBA. Be fair. Don't I'm not sure Mark Jackson does. And he's one of the names on the list. It's why I'm squeamish on him. I know Jason Kidd doesn't is. You do have to command the respect of LeBron. And this broussard's said and a lot of people have taken that. Are you kidding me? Why would LeBron not instantly respect whatever coach comes in? Then because it's real life and not everyone commands instant respect, maybe an ideal situation, you would and that doesn't mean LeBron would act disrespectfully to somebody. But someone that LeBron feels can actually be steal a term from our coach Mangini a force multiplier. Someone who can be a value. Add who is that. It's the only reason to me it's not a sure shot. It's going to be tight Lou is because we don't know who's going to get fired this off season. And sometimes good coaches get fired because ownership gets impatient because some some situation so we don't know who else is going to be vailable. But to me tie, Lou is the guy that we know checks those boxes a very strange ear for LeBron. He doesn't make the playoffs for the first time in as long as he can remember he suffers a major injury which sidelined him to the point where his team is out of the playoffs. Now, there's a report out there that the Lakers are actually genuine concerned about LeBron's health. Do you agree with that? Are you concerned about LeBron's moving forward? We'll anytime you have first injury. I think that all bets are off now to in. That's the first one we've seen it happen now. And now everything becomes important. That's why I would have rested in this whole time. Everyone else was saying all he should play and everything. No. He had a significant injury. He rushed himself back. You could see it when he got back. He was not in the type of shape, but I believe that the injury like most great players are most players they played through injuries. They are able to get the type of numbers. So I believe is injury was significant. I believe that this off season becomes the most important AUSSIE. And he's had in a lot of all is not only because the free agents because what's he gonna do? From cardio standpoint. Now, I do believe in LeBron James, and I believe in him so much that I heard this report I went back and watch the game one of the finals last year and good lowered. Lebron if he's even close to where he would forget about what he didn't Eastern Conference all those series. But what he did against the warriors in game one. If you if you haven't forgot about it, go back and watch it and what he did in that game the numbers he put how he dominated the warriors. Even though they did lose JR didn't call a time out didn't shoot that game. Man. He was incredible. So for me, I am concerned in a now because I know that injury was significant I'm concerned about this off season what he's going to do. And ultimately, I do know regards. I'll healthy is if you don't get another star. He's not going to be able to win. So there's a number of concerns that makes this off season. Very, and there's a really interesting social media post by the lady who helps him recover from his injury. We talked about this off the or she said, listen, essentially, he tore his groin, and it's a six month injury. And she talked about how shocked she was. He was back in six weeks. Now that does speak to Chris's point that if that's true. And I was adamant he needs to play. If that's true. Then it was foolish firm to ever come back. If it is true. Then they knew there wanting to championship this year. Forget coming back and being on the shelf. They they should have just said man from Sheldon. And by the way, the Laker stock was really high at that moments. Like, wow before the brand got hurt beating the warriors seem like real contenders. Bad luck. The optimist Angolese despite the injury despite not being one hundred percent since he's been back twenty eight nine and ten twenty eight nine and ten and Zavarei isn't the other optimistic part of it is in the since his rookie year the three worst years of his career first year back in first year in Miami first year back in Cleveland, and now this year with the Lakers, the pessimistic side is yeah. But this year is the latest here and he's at fifty thousand plus minutes and in the last eight seasons he's played eleven because they'll play off runs. And once you get hurt you tend to start getting hurt. That is what I'm be history. Says that is what athletic history says, and there was another odd moment and win worse. Alluded to it in his article the other night where he slipped on the floor and banged his knee. Those are the types of things LeBron has been as good as any athlete I've ever seen it avoid avoid you. And I talked about this once USB why he's been so good at not getting hurt some of its body some of his training some of it is he's been able to avoid those fragrances. Were guys fall were bodies. Like he knows foot things what rebound to go for and what remained not too. So it's there is real concern that the one at the one all time great athlete would never been injured got injured. And is that a trend outlier? We won't know until next year. I will break they're coming up. Mike Tomlin speaks out on big van here from his next person. I. On Saturday two seasons. Biggest free agents field with their new teams. First Bryce Harper and the Phillies take on Freddie Freeman and the Braves then the giants face off against management chateaux in the Padres. It all starts at four eastern one Pacific on this one and on the Fox Sports at my Bryce Harper Ellen BP future ticket in let's go. All right. Well that happened time for us to go viral Koby Bryant was on the late late show with James corden last night. They were playing a game where Koby hats, either answer question or take a bite out of a cow tongue. Take a listen. Yes. I would like you to rank these legendary basketball players from best to worst. Legrand James, Michael, Jordan and Kobe Bryant. That's all there is talk into that cow tongue. You don't I'm going to answer. But I'm not going to answer it because everybody's gonna sit there and debate about it. So I'm just gonna take vital. Why not? It's pretty straightforward. I think what you by our invests Michael second. Kobe handle that perfectly? And that's what he should think. And that listen Kareem was forced to answer cream should say, he's the best. Lebron said he thought he was the best. You got a lot of criticism for it. We know Michael thinks he's the best mine was only one doesn't say he's the best. Okay. I had Michael I saw that hall of fame. You heard Mike cake? I so I don't your I knew this. What's going to happen? We're going to be like show me the exact quote. Well, enough tone. I have enough circumstantial evidence to tell you Michael Jordan believes he's the greatest player of all time, and he should believe that just like Kobe should believe in. Lebron should believe it anybody. That's on the all time pantheon believe it. I'd love to set that up here between you to play a little James corden do a little question or cow tongue. Asked me, you won't Jenna. I'm open book. Let me think about it. I'll get the Handelman show. That's not at all. Actually. Please specially mung Manji. Morning before. Okay. Here we go. You know, where's the cow talking to? I know. I know. We were talking. I school about thunder hosting Pacers. Paul George stepping up against his former team last night scored thirty one points in thunder win. Hey, thunder had to go on a twenty four run to do it. Okay. See has won just two of their last seven there. Now in seventh place in the west one game ahead of the Spurs. See what do you make of the thunder right now? What teams going to show up? It's like the Celtics now the thunder gave us a good stretch basketball's like, wow, they could be dangerous, but they don't shoot about. Nick talked about the offense in the NBA. You need to understand Bill to do. They're one of the worst. If not the worst shooting team from deep that we're going to have in the playoffs. So I don't have a lot of hope for a team that shooting that listen, they're an extraordinary defensive team. But to be a good team in the postseason to get past the second round to get second round. And maybe to get past the first round depending on their matchup. It's going to have to be two week stretch where they shoot well. But can they shoot well for six weeks, which is what it would take to make the NBA finals? No, they can't so much like last year. This thunder team exciting fun, but has defined ceiling moving on. Anthony Davis has made it known that he wants out of New Orleans not a surprise to us or fans or the pelicans or to his former teammate DeMarcus cousins in a recent interview boogie proclaimed once the pelicans didn't resign him. He knew AD would. Want out Nick Woody mak-? This is obviously one hundred percent accurate now AD might have wanted. We might have found out this summer that eighty wanted out if they had resigned, bogey summary might have turned down the extension, right? There is a zero percent chance if they resigned boogie that eighty midseason demands trade season goes to Nick you said this last year when Mark DaMarcus was hurt. I don't care that he's hurt like because you have to invest in AD in bringing DeMarcus their relationship DaMarcus playing the best basketball of its career both of them thriving on the court together. Man, drew holiday of men, of course, it was such an emotional letdown for Anthony Davis that coming off the best season of his pro career with the best team eighties eve