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"kevin clark" Discussed on Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"I mean. That's it's really amazing to see how this developed over the past couple of months it would for taste them. Hill is a good change of pace to. We're going to give taste hill. Ten million dollars guaranteed to taste. Some hill is the future. He's pushing drew. Brees I have is this like is this like a bit from Sean Payton. Did you see how far this can go if he keeps leaking? Can he get Tatum Hill? Top Ten quarterback list is that what he's doing he's canceled the offseason. We know that he's canceled the off season. They're not gonNA Emily Zoom stuff and it seems to me Sean. Payton's entire goal. This off season is to get tastes them. Hill as much ludicrous. Buzz as possible. Well let's working. It's absolute working and I'm not even anti the taste in hill plates. Like okay. Cool. This is kind of fun. Look how creative they are. This guy can do a lot of different things. But I don't know that ever been. Somebody regarded this high done their job. As little as he has this would be like saying somebody's the next Truman capote because he had a nice paragraph. That's that is a good way to put it all right back to Garoppolo. So his dead cap goes to two point. Eight million dollars in twenty twenty one His cabinets or twenty six twenty six and twenty seven the next three years I think Jimmy Garoppolo is pretty good and I think that if they don't they're not up against it with the cap even though obviously some of the moves they made show that they have not as much flexibilities. They used to have member. They they gave him Forty one million dollars in cash beginning of this contractors to smooth out the the cap but twenty six and twenty seven. It's still a big number. I think that there's an argument to just say that. He's he's pretty good. Let's just keep things afloat if they wanted to get aggressive. Listen Kyle Shanahan has been able to make a lot of good quarterbacks at it will make a lot of crappy quarterbacks in a good and he's obviously had turned good quarterbacks and great quarterback Matt Ryan. Mvp Year but if anybody can do the plug and play system anybody in the NFL into the plug and play system and say we're GONNA take a guy in the first three rounds we're GonNa pay him peanuts and then we're going to trade him in for years. If anybody can do for next twenty years I would bet it's cal Shanahan right. Yeah I I don't have a problem with that look at worked like. I can't be too critical of it. Because the way it was designed in they were they were in it. I mean the chance to win a super bowl but it would have felt really weird to have to do this like I just don't like having to do that. We like no. You can't criticize Jimmy because it worked. They want super bowl like no no. I'm not. I'm not saying sucks. I'm just saying that their ceiling is lower than what was once thought for him. I agree but I I still like the way that offense work. I still think that I'm going to trust collar. Shanahan On this one and I think that if he wants to get ruthless at some point he can but I also think that they're they're doing pretty well and again. This is a continuity year. I would not be surprised if they won the NFC again. More with Kevin especially on some of the concerns about what you could be doing here salary cap wise or some of these top quarterbacks because we could have some problems and something. I WanNa talk about him before. Do that though during this time of social distancing connecting with friends over beer today looks pretty different as the original light. Beer Miller lite is always been there to bring people together in real life through Miller Time Miller. Time is a moment for people to come together in real life to connect over a few beers but having Miller time is top. When you can't be with your people I can't wait to reconnect with all my pro athlete friends because almost all my friends are pro athletes now and they said hey you you look like a pro athlete. We should all hang out and I was like I agree. So that's what I've been up to Miller lite beer that makes Miller time possible. Miller lite is the original light. Beer tastes great. Less filling which means it won't get away of enjoying time with your people The reason I like a Miller lite guy is Zaire. Used to work on my truck a lot and there was a guy that used to bring over similar lights and I was like hey. Do you have a blue tarp? He's like do. I have a blue tarp. I've got a million blue tarps and if you WANNA borrow one and maybe not even give me a great window when you're going to return it possibly even keep it just because you're forgetful. Maybe not even thoughtful and the work that you're doing on your truck you're not even ever gonNA complete any way you just gotTa Park your pickup truck with the WHO'd opened with a tarp over the engine on on the to do list and just going to sit there and and flap we're GONNA look at it with a couple of Miller lights now. I think I just described everything about tastes. Great less filling. So they're like the original light beer while you're home. Enjoy a classic fable for delivered today celebrate responsibly. Miller brewing company Milwaukee Wisconsin Ninety six dollars. Three Point Two carbs per twelve ounces. Okay a couple of other teams the Dak contract thing I'm trying to think we wasted a lot of time. On the Zeke Elliott stuff when in fact Jerry Jones might have been the only owner left. That was going to do something like that. And yet some of the criticisms that Dallas. I saw some people again people to cover football going. How do you? How do you bring in all the Smith and not care of your quarterback like well? Why did you say you think yes? Do you think they're perhaps entirely different negotiations? I can't believe they gave all Smith. One hundred and sixty million dollars guaranteed. I thought that was a little much. But Listen Jerry knows what he's doing. Jerry loves those edge guys which I don't even really want to do a ton ondeck but now that we're hearing the numbers that he wants to reach how could actually the pandemic maybe change what he can even get. Because that's that's something that we haven't even touched on yet because both for the NFL and the NBA. There be some really weird stuff going on with what Max players would be in the. Nfl doesn't have Max players in the same way guys do but the quarterback essentially becomes your Max Guy And the Max is essentially negotiated by whoever whatever elite quarterback silent exciting extension most recently. So right now. It's around thirty six because of Russell. Wilson and Jared. Goff was nine elite but got money. Okay so the pandemic and the salary cap is probably the story. We're not talking about And we need to be. But I also think there's so many variables that it's hard to discuss with any real certainty. The cat this year's one hundred ninety eight point two and there's going to be a slight spike next year it's risen A ten million dollars or more every swing thirteen and I think that with the new. Cba there will be some smoothing on like the NBA. But I think that there will be a I think that the effects of the the the minimums go up and the CAP is still tied to revenue. And if there's no crowds this year and if the TV deals out they thought they'd be and if you don't get the same merch because stores are closed all of this stuff. I think that there could be a very real revenue shortfall and then the cap either stays flat which obviously was a near disaster a couple of years ago in the NBA when when The finals wasn't very long and it was revenue shortfall. Or there's there's a real drop in which case it would be financial ice age for teams And I don't know what would happen in that regard. I think that there has to be you know. I saw a couple of stories that were like man. The Eagles the falcons are capped out. You don't WanNa be them next year if there's a drop of let's say twenty or thirty million dollars in salary cap the NFL would have to make massive changes. It would not be. Oh you're capped out you're screwed. Every team would be capped out. They'd have to have bail it after amnesty provision they might have to just have uncapped years and just say hey guys just figure it out. I would have to be a complete overhaul of the financial system in football if the CAP were to go down. Twenty thirty million dollars. Because there's no team who operates in any in any efficient way even. Has You know thirty million dollars in cap space lying around when they're trying to win okay. There are obviously teams from year to year. Now how does the Dak contract stemmed from there? I don't know if I'm Patrick Mahomes. Do I just try to take a deal right now? Knowing that this might happen to I try to take forty million dollars a year over the next four years. Maybe it's all guaranteed on know because I have so much leverage And then I think once the Watson and Mahomes are signed DAX DAX deal goes up but I also think that look generally this might become a kirk cousins thing this might become. Dak playing out the franchise tag and getting there and there might not be that much money for them. If the pandemic release closed cap down like we think Alber had this amazing nugget that I just cannot get over. Which is Stephen? Jones comes out and says that no twenty million dollar quarter earnings. There isn't a good track record for highly paid. Quarterbacks went in the Super Bowl. That's correct okay. there's been eight years of players making twenty million dollars a year in the NFL and only one player has made twenty million dollars a year and won the Super Bowl. But you know it was one player. Twenty million a year on the Super Bowl It's the last eight years I guess Brady would have been south of it Von Miller on Miller now extension was after the Super Bowl. Frank Clark Frank Clark. So that wasn't as average annual salary though. Is that his number one year I mean. Frank Clark's pretty close to pretty close to twenty a year. I mean he that negative extension. He got five years hundred and four. But yeah okay. I think that that goes to show you that. We look at the wrong thing. Sometimes with quarterbacks I mean similar there have been some awful contracts on some of these super bowl.
"kevin clark" Discussed on Book of Basketball 2.0
"Of a book of vast. I'm here with Kevin Clark Diehard Magic Fan. Joe House diehard boats Wizards Fan. Who hasn't anything could happen to him. Thirty eight years. The best thing that ever happened Kevin Clark basketball was in ten years later. People just think the Lakers one four two one in the series was number close. It's one of my great causes is revisionist history on this finals are hold that. Put it in your pocket. We're GONNA talk about two different legacies to start was the legacy. Oh nine finals. The other is the legacy of game. Four and they're intertwined Legacy two thousand nine finals house wanted it. I wanted it. You didn't want America wanted it. We wanted libra verse Kobe. It had been brewing since Kobe. Since Lebron entered the League in two thousand three the Lakers were the best team that year. They're the ones see. This was Lebron's first. Mvp season this was Kobe's probably the best non shack Laker team ever had and it was a collision course. Going like this. The Celtics Kevin. Garnett gets hurts. They get kind of knocked out and it's just going this way and what happened. Well they had no answer for. Hito Turk loon Rashard Lewis Stan Van. Gundy basically let Lebron score and took out everybody else on the floor and they were a match up nightmare so it wasn't. There's no excuse here. Lebron was healthy. He just they just didn't have the match up to be the buzzsaw no magic and Lebron had one of the great playoff series of his career. And it's really one of the best ever yes and his and it's one of the best of all time. Orlando is fine with it. They just took out everybody else. I've been guilty of this chemical corrected. Me You were mad. I was basically like Orlando got red HOT AGAINST CLEVELAND. They knocked them out. You're like no actually not true. That was the team. They were all year and they just did what they had done for a month. Not only that. I talked about this about six weeks ago. And he talked a little bit about how they'd played Lebron so many times including kind of secret here was they went to China to play against Lebron from season game and they just sort of played around and say hey. What if we did this? Lebron food this to Lebron and they ended up with a pretty good idea of just let him score alone to pass or whatever and just and let it happen and so I think that staving. Gundy was the perfect coach for this team and Lebron unfortunately felt the brunt so for all all of that preparation though and all that game planning and strategic thinking and You know properly. Identifying this is the threshold we have to get to to make it to the finals. There was such a stark lack of any of that in these finals by contradistinction. They lost all composure. And we're GonNa talk about that yet over the the Blues Games here they lose. They blew game for. It's funny. He mentioned that piece. You did which was called the forgotten. Innovators that he thought they should've swept Cleveland in the eastern finals. Lebron made one of the best shots of his career. One game two with a crazy buzzer beater where they basically screwed up and didn't double team and right. He felt like it's GonNa be a recurring theme later. Yes being felt like if they had just gotten a stop on that play they probably sweep the cavs. They were better. They had them figured out. Dwight TO PROTECT THE RIM. The whole thing so no one remember. Jamir was out so she does handling the ball in the second half. He's six ten team. Normal teams did not have an answer. It was fine that was not to the detriment of of the magic ball. Yes he could. They had the cavs number. The cavs could not figure out. They could've played one hundred games. I agree with you. So legacy one was at Nola Bronco be final legacy to was Kobe's Odyssey to win the title without check and this was something that started from the moment he pushed Shack Outta town. Oh four post trial. The laker fans galvanized behind them. Everybody else's like fucked that guy and it leads to this four year. Run where at one point summer. Two thousand seven. It looks like he wants to trade. Give some teams. We will never know how close they Gotta. Chicago to try to fight that they bring him back in the fold and then everybody starts doing favors them. And we'RE GONNA get to those favors a little bit later literally doing favors. Some real favors that come into play. And then they turn things around but he still doesn't have the title without Shack and people like me. You know mainstream. Call on this on. The Internet with podcasts are going well. He's never want title without check code. Well he's never check and that was just what he was going to hear. This was his chance now to win a title. That check this is killing Clark Clarkston. Start crying I this game rewatch. I'd never seen it as the broadcast. I was in the bill physically at the game. So I'd never seen the broadcast when I re watched it hit me a lot more than I thought it was going. I had to turn it off. I don't blame you masseuse so The third legacy this finals is just that goofy. Orlando team which we're GONNA dive into later but as you said the forgotten innovators in the NBA people talk about Nashes. Sons now is mavs the we believe. Warriors and all these teams from that decade and the magic. Were a really fun. Team that made the final shucking. Threes Chechen threes owing out. Willie chucking with the true center and then to six ten forwards both of whom could handle the ball but people just didn't like watching Dwight Howard and that was always held against this team even then. Yeah I mean I'm reading though I have. I have some stuff for you. I know and into the whole forgotten. Innovator things has been forgotten partly because they didn't do well in this series and yet two of the four I four games going overtime. Yep Three of the I four for twenty five years. We're relatively Lakers where the In eighty four was the previous time. It happened so the other legacy of this is just this. Lakers team weird team will talk about that later. A team that I don't think in two thousand nineteen would have been as successful and I think they really would have had to change who they played but did have a mental toughness to them and I thought the most telling stat rewatching this game was that they were seven. Oh after playoff. Last year they had an ability to bounce back in game. Two and game for they pulled out overtime games. They put out a seven game series against a relatively feisty rockets team the the The series before was two two against Denver. Going to game five and this was when Carmelo was really starting to look like he was gonNA become one of the guys and you know. They cut their knees off. They won game six in Denver and this team. Did they dare Fisher shots? This wasn't an accident. This is a team that had been tested in two thousand eight in that Celtics series had some really bad losses and I thought learned for them. You'RE GONNA I totally agree with that. Yeah Clark doesn't want agrees like fuck. Those guys lacy a game for all. Start here with this question. Phenomenal comeback or one of the greatest chokes in a bit history. He had to pick one and it. Well there's a couple of ways to look at this but I would say the last five seconds not fouling Derek Fisher Jamir Nelson. Having no idea what was going on and by the way. Jeff Van Gundy being afraid to say to coach. All of those things that I would say that Jamir Nelson's behavior in the last five seconds was just a huge show. Well that was only one of eleven ways. They choked in this. Go schick on. It's a it's an uncontrovertible choke job. It's an all time choke that twelve at half time. They lost the third quarter thirty two fourteen. The fourth quarter went back and forth. They were up five with one minute left. Yeah whether like yeah. I mean we're on through we we can so I I'm with you. I say bigger joke than but also I wanNA sleep on. The Comeback Fisher made an awesome shot at the deregulation. Koby made incredible. They're down five thirty seconds of fast-break spinning though look past Kosov that was one of the better part of his career. Just cut it to three and then Fisher made the big shot not too. Yeah so they made really every big play down the stretch. The legacy of this game is just the White Howard. This century's most confusing superstar he. This was weirdly the best game of his career in some west and then also the worst game of his career and other ways and maybe the most representative game of his career. Yeah This is a guy who made five straight. I E Mambi as so for a half decade. He was the best center in the league cans down. You know it's it's hard to remember this stuff now. Because he goes to the Lakers really unhappy year his body starting to breakdown goes to Houston is a little better than I think. People Remember in Houston that almost made the finals but His body started breaking down back surgery. What was it when he was twenty five? Yup Yup traded in two thousand twelve and then that was that was. If he's sitting Arlando. I think he's remembered differently. He had the. It's funny in two thousand nine. In April they rate. This sports illustrated redsfest piece basically. Like what the fuck is going on with this guy? But they're not saying that but it's like this guy too happy I remember going on here and it's on the covers. It's like too happy. It was one of those guys. We could just never figure out and you can hear Van. Gundy's frustration in the broadcast. Because so we're going like the first quarter of this game Well let me go backwards. Game One Lakers one by twenty five. Kobe scores forty two to completely no energy to regular old happens in the final sometimes. Not even worth a game to Lakers went. Not but Courtney Lee misses the layup. Hold that thought to win the game and regulation game three magic win. One of four game for Lakers win in. Ot Game Five. They clinched it out Howard was fifteen and fifteen four blocks a game for the files. Solid not incredible but in this first quarter the magic are four after one. Twenty Four Twenty. Howard is eleven rebounds in the first quarter. They're eleven at their twelve at Halftime Howard as five blocks fourteen rebounds and they're raving about it and the answers are saying. Wow because he's asserting himself this is if he played like this all the time. Watch out like one of those games but it's also kind of telling that they're saying that you know we don't see the best if you're honest is playing on a bucks playoff game in the announcers like wow. He played this all the time saying that they said that about Dwight. Howard that matters Third Quarter Lakers. Outscore them thirty to fourteen ARETHA has thirteen. They really realizing is game. Foregoes Oda Maria Koby and fishers their best lineup and that they shouldn't be playing buying them right. And Autumn Particular Odem in particular is the key to the series for them. The irony is in two thousand nineteen. That's just their team. Bynum is playing ten minutes. A game right. There's you would never have bynum Casanova and playing together. It'd be like why are we doing this clock in the middle we need? We need more three point shooting they stumble into this now. They kind of have Orlando's number explained the Jamir Nelson Rafer Alston thing. Oh boy so Nelson goes down in January when they were red hot at some point in late January they the magic set the record for most threes in a game It looked like they were just going to roll in Sacramento Kings so low low light among many low light to the Sacramento Kings in the last decade It looked like they were going to be the hot team going to the playoffs..
"So on the show we've been talking about burt night every episode come out but I'll take for granted that listeners at least should by now know what burt is so I'll skip that question and just ask you if you could put into context may be some Wayne which you've been applying birt has had an incredible affect on the P. Community. I think that's pretty obvious by now in one sense and this has also affected me personally burt kind of killed a lot of projects that were trying to create or design a model that is specific to a certain task came along you know this this kind of massive pre trained mass language model all that within three training e pox on on the target task it's getting stead of the results and putting those handcrafted models leaving the way behind a lot of people's first impression of bird is to be impressed with it what was your journey towards questioning where it's boundaries lie in span. Burt were not the per se trying to understand what the limits of Bert are but that is still a really really interesting question I have had other work that tries to kind of analyze what Bert Learns we actually just got a paper award and the Blackhawks NLP workshop for that paper that's work with with Kevin Clark does she khandelwal Chris Manning and other people have written similar papers in basically found out the bird is kind of learning the whole traditional NLP pipeline implicit manner and it's getting a lot of gains from that but I don't think that we have seen kind of what the limits of burt or Bert like models are at this point can you tell me a bit about how span Bert which is the shortest way to describe your contributions what's the long way what do you guys innovating on in your research since pampered what we tried to do is improve the pre-training tasks that bird is using bird is not a model but a- pre-training methods in that pre training method birt has two objectives one is the mass language model the other is accents prediction we focused on mainly proving the mass language model so the mass language model itself the way it works is that you get a sentence say I had a nice chat with Kyle at then you randomly pick some of these words mask them that say we must chats and the model needs to predict the missing word in I had something with Kyle is chats to make that after kind of to force the model to capture more interesting things about language and I'm keeping this vague intentionally will road to that in the second what we did was I instead of masking random tokens we masked random spans of tokens so we're not saying we're not giving the model as input I had a nice something with Kyle were saying I something something something something with Kyle and that is that a bit more flexibility in terms in the things that it could potentially predict by making the task more challenging basically forcing the model to learn more about length. approach the other thing we added was that we're not only forcing it to predict these missing words dismissing span from each of the individual mask Toke John's but we're forcing it to predict the information from the boundaries off the mask span so from the word I and with with Kyle were trying to predict everything that was in between tell me more about that limit does that mean I'm not going to consider things like the length of the span we didn't change the length of the sequence so the model knows what what legs it's trying to predict but it needs to kind of saying in a bit of a hand wavy way in needs to learn longer range dependency so it needs to learn not only what kind of immediately neighboring words I wanna be but what the next three words are gonNA be or forward depending on the length of the span the idea is novel and appeals to me and thank you put it pretty succinctly when you said we want to force the model or the learning process to learn more effectively but as I also think about it I wonder Well Okay you've made the problem harder if you train your model with your method on the exact same training data set we hope that that effort doesn't fact force the model to be murder do you have any way to quantify the degree to which that's true so that's a great question and we actually put a lot of effort and especially Taiwan resources into making sure that we're giving Berta real fighting chance the original of fighting chance to beat us in addition to taking Google's version of burt and just download you know whatever they may publicly available we also re implemented burt ourselves and we did a bit of hyper parameter tuning and every kind of training trick bit data or hyper parameters or training for more rations that we also applied to the baseline so we had baselines that were actually much much stronger than the original birds and we were still able to outperformed them when we added the span birds objectives on pre-trading tasks very neat and is there any way you can measure do that or is it more qualitative as you introspective results if you'll allow me to go on a bit of a of a tangent here please this is a question asking since two thousand sixteen when along with Felix Hill we ran the Rep Avowal Workshop this was twenty sixteen since then Sam Bowman joined us and actually kind of took the lead on this we came together to make this shared task that everybody's been running on glue I think most of our listeners have heard of a now we have also superglue which is kind of the next generation much harder tasks as well glue as a really really good way or was a good way until I got maxed out by by all these models but it's a really good way of evaluating how will these pretrial tasks are actually working because it evaluates a diverse set of tasks with different types of training set sizes different levels of complexity of difficulty if you manage to improve the results glue by say two points that's really really meaningful I'll mention another work that we did kind of concurrently it started actually from kind of the same parent project but split off into two things one of them was span the other being Roberta so Roberta the the idea was basically let's try to replicate birds but do a lot of hyper parameter you name and scaling up that original bird just didn't do because I know they thought it was big enough and good enough to really was at the time but apparently what we found in Roberto was that you can do a little bit of tweaking to the hyper parameters for example just training and get for a bit longer maybe try training with bigger batch works really really really well in fact it works so well that on glue for example we were able to outperform xl nets by a little bit so kind of that's really saying something yeah I would say within variance but basically without adding all commodification exit added to the model so we just you know we basically had the simple model even simplified it even more we removed the next symptoms addicts in the NFC objective didn't spend Burton as well and used just a single sequence to train each example and just scamming it up training for longer using slightly better vocabularies just really really improved performance on a bunch of tests and not only glue we also just east results and Superglue as well where there's really really big leap it's not at human level yet because superfluids significantly harder it has a bunch of tests that are significantly harder than the ones that we have in glue but still it's a huge advance in Yeah absolutely I seem to recall the paper on a lot of tasks like putting your your approach to the challenge with the famous squad and squad two point Oh data sets that you were eking out those arguable percentage points improvements on span burt when compared to Vanilla Google burt and a few others I know all deep learning a little bit inherently blackbox but do you have a sense of you've the mechanism or or what it is is allowing your model to outperform I really the most impressive results were in what we call span selection tasks so squad squad to a lot of the machine reading question answering our task data sets that we ran on we see this really significant improvement there this is probably because Spaniard is focused on representing and predicting the content of Mrs Expense and I think that's why we're getting gains on these are also mentioned one other task that we ran on which which most people don't run on because it's a bit more complicated which is correct resolution reference resolution is a really hard task for a models currently the state of the art on this it's it's about seventy nine F. One whereas before us the best model was from Lee and others which was about
"kevin clark" Discussed on Dual Threat with Ryen Russillo
"It's probably something they didn't do right or they lost to purdue by a ton in l. but you wanna blame somebody else for and you get out of the car and you park in front of that sign and you're looking at that fucking thing like russell crowe and a beautiful mind in you're like i've got it. I'm studying this thing and you come back to your car. There's a ticket and you didn't realize you were like what is this every other thursday from one to two no parking street cleaning meaning like the clinton street isn't even clean like that's just an excuse to give me the ticket. Even though it's probably still my fault i got the ticket so whether it's money the transactions ed's actions tickets returning stuff. There's also life wants to write that friend. That only does things on his terms. He's usually rich. He's got to have the best room on a road trip or he's going to cry about it. So you know early going into it. You're making adjustments about your whole weekend because if he doesn't have the best setup he's going to ruin ruin it for everybody else. He probably has to drive. He's always going to be the one that drives. You probably sells you out to mutual female friends but again it's his summer house and then of course the big one the always worried about yes you like or maybe you're already married to her but you look at her mom and he think is that what my wife is gonna look like in twenty or thirty years or how come she seeps talking about when i stopped working or how come when i pull up the family laptop there's a bunch of zillow tabs were she's been searching condos on south beach so yeah that's life life. Life is a series of these things that are happening to at all times. No matter how great your life is okay. They are always wondering am i going to get screwed in the long run and that is folks college football welcome to another season of navigating all the different ways that you think you're gonna get screwed over wise. The big ten game in prime time in the pac twelve isn't why did college game day go to tuscaloosa instead of morgantown. This is gonna screw recruiting that s._e._c. admission standards <hes> and why are they playing games in a conference. When we're playing nine conference games like that old school big ten tradition every week you make excuses you invent ways you're getting fucked over in the polls because because you've been dealing with the your entire life again enjoy the season i have more with kevin clark on andrew luck and also some observations before the college football season could start a week one. We know what we had. Miami florida shot up to the gators for that win but this episode of dual threat is brought to you by c._b._s. Sports h. q. if you watch much college football coverage on t._v. You know it's full full of a bunch of dudes yelling at each other and throwing out hotcakes. They probably don't even believe themselves pan. There's some people in the crosshairs on this tearing players down throwing out massive over reactions of course. We'll see sports h. Q. is here to change.
TV Review: A 'Chernobyl' Deep Dive
"The most incredible thing I've seen on television this year. And really in some time has just concluded I'm talking, of course about Chernobyl the HBO mini series chronicling the devastating nuclear disaster that occurred on April twenty-sixth nineteen Eighty-six near the city of Pripyat in the former Soviet Union leader in the show. I'll be speaking with creator writer. Producer Craig Mazin, who will help me understand how he pulled off this extrordinary feet. But I, I am joined by fellow her noble, admire and ringer executive editor Mallory Ruben. Hello, moe. Hello. Mel you are. You're a voice in the darkness. You were a Soviet minor in the chair noble. Admiration society months ago. I saw screen this show and I was like this is extraordinary. It's incredible. How powerful and beautifully done this very sad. Gripping physically upsetting story is crickets. No one had seen a screener. He's actively making fun of you became a bit. And I certainly feel vindicated not just because you like it. But because a great many people have come to appreciate this show, but tell me a little bit about your journey. You had been living in west rose for quite some time. And then the show came to you and very quickly. You started to consume it. Yeah. I joined a few weeks late Memorial Day weekend, fact. Sorry, sink convert truly a binge then as you know, it's a something of a habit of mine I as you as you said, wrapped up with thrones and I needed to reconnect to the wider culture wanted a little, you know, joy in my life, and I thought. What better way to connect to my fellow man? Rediscovered my own humanity then sure noble. But all jokes aside, you know you'd spoken so highly of it. And there was something appealing to me about the fact that it was a miniseries. It was I was gonna be able to consume it off fairly quickly started watching it. Early in the weekend. So three episodes were out at that point in time. And I watched all three in a row and then was consumed with almost like a surprisingly dangerous, rage that I could not immediately access the final two episodes. And then I watched both of those obviously, when, when they aired, and in the case of the family when you were kind enough to provide me with screener. That's why we're here right now. I had a very similar experience. I watched the first episode like I said months ago with my wife and we were both very taken, but then also, well, we wanted to keep watching it, but we knew that it was it would it would be part of the kind of conversations like oh, but also there's something about any show like this unfold slowly limiting is powerful to no offense to binging in general. I respect that approach to, to culture. But I did appreciate the slow roll out, and we, we sort of parcel deaf ourselves in that way. I think part of the reason he needs to do that is because there's just just a really deep emotional toll that the show wages on its viewers because of its. You know, not just the, the physical terror that you get from it, but just considering the absolute awful scope of what happened in these events. I I'm not sure if you were alive, when winter, the turnover will disaster happened. I was not. So we'll turn Warren later that year September eighty six so April twenty six eighty six as my good friend David Shapiro's birthday, we'll congratulations to David. I hope he wasn't met him for the first time she said, Chernobyl, I presume he was not injure noble when he was Cleveland. Thank goodness. What was your level of awareness of this event? Throughout the course of my life, you know, I think probably similar to what it was for many people who came to this show, which is an awareness that a disaster, it happened. And then little else beyond that, and actually, I started listening to the podcast or the HBO was put out around the show, the official podcast, noble, the buck cast the turnover Petrova podcast and that's that's out there right away as motivation for creating in the first place was this complete void for certainly not everyone, but wide swath of people about what actually happened here and why. And so, in that sense, I think ultimately partially at out week after week instead of all at once is actually very fitting because you as viewer obviously not equating, the experience of the viewer with the experience of somebody on the ground. But it manufacturers that sense of protracted discovery and your desire. Fire is so fierce to understand how what how could this have possibly happen, especially when you realize that it was a safety tests that what's this all? It's just such an incongruous set of initial facts that you're so desperate to learn. And the fact that you can't get to the truth right away. And that, in fact suffocating the truth is really the entire point for so many people is this unbelievably frustrating, but also compelling for pulse of force throughout the rest of the show. You're the eagerness to understand, I think, is the driving force, especially if the first two episodes, which play a lot more sort of like a murder mystery. You know, we're thrust almost immediately into this very quiet setting where this huge disaster happens. There's no really not a lot of preamble before we get to be actual disaster. Right. And then the, the preamble is the suicide of the pro tag. That's right. That's right. Which is also kind of a sleight of hand, as a storytelling device. But there's something so unusual about the way that everything is meted out here. But also kind of it kind of drags you along once things get extremely intense by. Roads, three and four you, you kinda can't turn away, even though we're start to fully understand why some of these things happened until we get to episode five when we realized that we don't actually know why certain things happened in more people had more information than we originally thought it's really kind of a masterful Sherlock Holmes, Ian kind of design for, for telling the story, I think a lot of times with docudrama. You tend to get something that is very earnest. That is very straightforward. It is a very chronological. Now, this is told chronologically, except for that sort of opening sequence you reference, but a lot of information is withheld in the way, it's with held is very powerful. For you. I is this a kind of a format kind of real life story that you like, because when I think of your passions, I think, you know, Harry Potter, of course in game of thrones. And the things that are more fantastical. This is really hard line down the middle in many ways, journalism. Yeah. Well, I've devoted my, my life and career to journalism. That's true. That's a good. It's a good point. It's a good question. I think. When I think about the things that I really love about SCI fi or fantasy stories, which is how I spent so much of my time as a consumer of literature film television. Everything conversations with my friends. Of course. I love the idea of dragons and dire wolves and waving your wand, and making anything that you won't possible. But the thing that I really love about those stories is tapping into something core about human nature. And so any great story can deliver that. And obviously the place that you're going to get that the, the, the most fully formed is something that is literally about confronting humanity and what people are willing to do to each other, and what they're willing to do, when they see what other people are willing to do to each other, and I was riveted every single second of this experience. Like I it's so upsetting and horrifying to watch that it doesn't feel like a normal thing to say, but I can't wait to watch it again. And part of that is because I think. To your point about how much you find out in the finale, actually, how much is sort of held back for this reveal even though it is real world history that we're talking about. And that's sort of like a contrary thing to say. I'm fascinated to then re rewatch it with that in mind. But also because it is just such a pitch perfect case study in some of the themes that I cherish so much. You know the idea of truth in lies. What is heroism, what kind of forms cannot really take when you're talking about storytelling, what is the role and power of image and narrative, and it's pretty hard right now in two thousand nineteen in the United States of America to watch her noble and not think about our current political system and the role of truth in lies in the narratives that unfold around us every day. And so that was interesting to, to simultaneously gain. Newfound understanding of this seismic is stork event and also like with any great story be able to apply it to something in your current life. Is it important that you learn things when you're watching something like this, because everything that you're talking about is the Matic, you know, it's, it's essentially emotional or intellectual. But it's not fact based per se, right? And you know, it's funny, we've been having this conversation in the office, a handful of us about sort of dad non-fiction, you know, the, the canon of handful. You and Kevin Clark and continue. No, there were a few more participants, but shadow to Brian Phillips, with, but there's small group of people that there's a sort of strand of, of culture and history books that are targeted at what we presume to be fifty five year old white guy in pleaded pants, who's just come off the golf course and received his Father's Day gift from his hopeful son or daughter, and inevitably that book is about a general in World War. One man is based on a world historical event more than likely. It's got a certain kind of, you know, pursuit of those some of those themes you're talking about heroism truth in lies, but there's something kind of stayed about it. I think tra- noble in some ways falls into this category. The and in fact, a lot of the series is based on a book, voices of tra- noble. But there's something somehow different about it for you personally. Do you are you the kind of questing for information? It will then bring that to the bar and tell everyone what you learned or is it much more of a televisual emotional experience. I think both and I think that one of the reasons that I really not only enjoyed the show, but thought it was such a grand achievement is because they clearly can be either of those things for you. And that's valid, however you choose to consume. It is valid, you know we we talked about this a bit over the weekend. I was so impressed by the show's handling of the science because I am just in the interest of candor, not a physicist, not a nuclear scientists talked, you ve lied on your resume can barely do math working together for five years. And I little did. I know. And so I was actually a little bit could -cerned about that heading nothing ever felt like a true barrier to entry, but you know you worry about both extremes. I think on the one hand is this going to be so dumbed down for the general viewing public that basically feels like it isn't real that you can't believe in who those characters are in the work that they're supposed to be doing because there's no way that people like that with talk that way about their work on the other extreme. Is it going to be so scientifically precise that it's totally alienating for somebody who for whom that's not there, there for an actor or something that they're comfortable with it all? And I thought that the show's ability to thread, the needle between those two things and allow you to understand with now I'm not implying that we're coming out of this as. Nuclear actually, deuce everyone physicists now. But the basic ability to comprehend what they were talking about what was happening without making it too complex or making it feel like they were condescending. And speaking in speaking, towns, you and I think that's a great trick. There was positioning, some of the other characters on the show in the same seat that the viewer was in, you know, and I think, I think, for example of one of the earlier scenes in the show when are I when I look gossip and Boris our first heading out there on the plane, and we gossip sketching his sketching this out, because Boris's demanding that he explained it to him, and the, the bullets analogy that was so instantly clarifying. Similarly, the trial in the finale, do we understand every single thing that was on all of those placards tiles? No, but they were colour coded, and the, the thing that was unambiguous was that balance was the key, and that wants you. You lost that you lost the ability to control the thing that needed to be controlled, and I just thought that okay I don't need to be coming to this as somebody who is, like inherently obsessed with the science or the facts, but I feel like I can grasp them, and then because I have that beasts comfort, I and then able to shift my focus of the things that I personally care more about the seems the characters the choices that they're making. And I think that if you probably are in the far extreme of carrying about the science. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there who are like fact check on x y and z, and I think that one of the cool things is that the creators of not in any way imply that it is a note for note, faithful rendering of history, you know, that there are for, for example, the Yuan, a character is a composite of all these other scientists, and I think song, right? Saying that in the it was either the first or the second inside the episode feature at that the that we heard that and then it's also. Noted in the run through a fax at the end of the finale. So what about you? Well, I think that there's a brilliant storytelling choice that also happens to be true to history, which is that every single character who is not Lagoda for most of the film is completely ignorant to how any of this works.
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"The NFL. You can check out his work on that site. Follow him on Twitter. And again, he consistently is writing in my opinion. Just really really interesting stuff that I'm not seeing elsewhere. So when he prints publishes a new story when the ring as a new story, I'm always quick to read it a really big admire of what he's doing. Kevin thanks so much again. I know it's been a long weekend safe travels from New Orleans to Los Angeles. And thanks so much for joining us on these sports media podcast. Thank you so much for all right back in the studio. My thanks to Laura Rutledge and Kevin Clark for two interesting conversations. Thanks as always Pellegrino for putting this podcast together. Previous sports. Media podcasts include John ran for a discussion on ESPN's interest in Super Bowl, Austin, Murphy and Daniel Dale James, Andrew Miller, who is a regular on this podcast, Chelsea James and Bruce Feldman Chelsea Jane's, the Washington Post now covering the twenty twenty campaign, Tom achieve Howard Beck, Rebecca Lobo, China Robinson, Rachel Nichols. Candice Parker journal hill. Renee, young police head over to the sports media with Richard is page on either apple podcasts or Stitcher Google play or wherever we get podcasts. And check it out. And if you like the stuff, please leave us review and ratings. That's that's how it stays. All right for everybody at cadence thirteen for loophole Reno. This Richard is we'll see again on the sports media. Richard ipod..
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"Do you do anything NBA or you or your purely in the NFL part of the ringer? I think there's probably room for me to be in the and the NBA part of it at some point. I think that you know, I'm I'm sort of one of the things I really like to do is. I don't feel comfortable this writing NBA call if I don't know anything about I watch every Landau magic game. I think I have good handle in the league. But it would take me a little bit to get up to speed where I feel comfortable writing about another sport for a little bit about soccer in the what about golf I would need to dive headfirst and just become an expert to the point. I feel comfortable that wouldn't you know, I wouldn't take that long. But if if matters said to me tomorrow head you wanna write about James harden? I would I would put a hold on that for a little bit. And try to a bigger piece rings got like fifteen people though can write about heart and you'll but you'll be we're good. We're good on. We're gonna all right. So. Before I do the cheap thing. Kevin just I realize you're probably gonna write on this. But I do want to just get your top line thoughts on what you think's gonna happen to Super Bowl. Kev. If you're on Twitter by Kevin Clark. And you if you. If you're fan of the ringer or if you haven't read the ringer you'd certainly Google Kevin Clark in the ringer. And you could see all his work on his Twitter feed. He has some of the recent stories that have done all of these are really good. I cited the analytics revolution PC's, storing, Patrick Mahomes, and sort of how his kind of unique passing style, which is kind of incredible one onto Shawn Watson think if I remember right something on people who've caught touchdowns from drew Brees. Maybe and then people caught one touchdown one touchdown from two. Right. And then this is actually really cool. Very good NFL story about how the quarterbacks in the league that teams have paid a ton of money on a ton of money four cousins. Matt rob might Ryan Aaron Rogers. They're not in the playoffs while the teams like the Rams achieves. Etc. Texans like where their quarterbacks were not taking like a gigantic piece of the cap had moved forward. So that was kind of that was kind of interesting in terms of building contenders around young stars, so checkout Kevin's piece on that curse. Looking in the Christmas salary cap eating quarterback art Kevin again. I know you're in New Orleans. No this just happened. I know you're gonna have to do a ton of evaluation. But what what is your sort of top line instinct right now about what we might see with patriots. And the Rams. My guess is patriots by a score. I mean, I think that there's there's still a very strange blue thing where even when the patriots are the better team, they always play close Super Bowls. I can never really explain that. But I just think that they're they're kind of equal in talent from from a top line standpoint. I think coach and quarterback or are obviously closely aligned, but then the Rams are a little bit deeper in certain spots. And I think that Bella check is the game plan that the patriots win little edges. They went on being the least flawed team at all times. It's going to be a fascinating match because the Rams are quote, unquote, all way, and they have a deeper roster. But I think that the patriots sort of game plan of of knowing exactly what to do and how to play these more talented teams. I think that that's that's going to be the match to Washington, they do it. And they probably win by one score. To do this. Kevin. Kevin Clark is a even have title like senior writer or staff writer. What are the ringers doc writer staff writer? Sl fancy title. I was gonna say I know back in the day. There were too many writers very concerned about being senior staff. Kevin Clark is a is a writer staff writer for the ringer. Specializing in.
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"How'd you found how found your access when you say you work for the ringer? This is I mean, it's very little inside baseball. But it was always interesting to me, or it's always interesting to me how people react to publications named for example for I worked a Sports Illustrated. I was the same schmo that I was when I worked Sports Illustrated. But there was a very very big difference. The second I got there in terms of how quickly my phone calls or return. How people viewed me because I was now working there. The ringer is a new publication. But a, but a new outlet that obviously is I think a lot of notice and respect in the marketplace at the same time, it's not it's not the Washington Post New York Times in terms of people are gonna know it throughout sports. So when you say you're from the ringer. Calling up somebody in the NFL, or at least maybe when you first started. What was that? Like was there any difference? Or was there a major difference between that in the Wall Street Journal out? I had almost exact same access at the Wall Street Journal, the regular I say one difference. It's the ownership there were a lot of owners who wanted to be in the Wall Street Journal and didn't necessarily care about the runner. And one thing I will clarify on that is I don't if I had no access to owners. I wouldn't jump off a bridge. I mean, I just I they they they a lot of them wanted to talk about Joe long term strategy or business or whatever. I would certainly take those interviews, but it's not sort of my bread and butter, and it's not and the fact that I don't get as many used to is not a deal breaker for me. But I would say that would advance for the ringer is. I'm telling deeper stories and longer stories and songs multimedia components where when I sit down when I talked to a team talked to. Her back inside wanna do this. They understand what it rendering story is. I didn't there were a lot of people again. The readership was different at the journal. I would say it was more top down was ownership a little bit of GM's. But at the ringer, a alive players read this stuff, a lot of quite frankly coaches, I think and and more front office people. So it's a little bit different. They understand where we're trying to accomplish. When I put in for access. I haven't I I've noticed no drop off. And and for many teams, I'm getting better access. I did that that might also just be because I know them better 'cause I've been doing this now for six years situating. So why it when you made at decision Kevin to leave the Wall Street Journal for the ringer one. How to come about and to what did you make that decision? Yeah. So I mean, I got an Email from Bill Tuesday of championship week and twenty sixteen and you know, the one thing that I don't think you can really gloss over is. I'm a massive massive massive Bill Simmons fan, and when you get the opportunity to work at the ringer, and with people who are just awesome people showing fantasy Chris Ryan Bill himself. Now, I Rubin. Juliet, you know, as my colleague, this is it's it's a murderer's row. And I wanted to fit into that. The Wall Street Journal was amazing. It was you know, some of the best times in my life there. But I just felt like the ringer could build a lot more around you something like flow Newsday or even a podcast twice a week with such dedicated listenership that wasn't gonna happen at Wall Street Journal. They were not going to move everything around to make to make NFL coverage priority I felt like they did a lot with with sort of the the stories that I was able to do and. There was some some promotion there. But I felt like the ringer billing apparatus where when you have a good story, and you want to tell a story they're going to help you do that. And so I didn't really think too much about have had number of opportunities over the years different places. And I really don't consider ever didn't really consider leaving the Wall Street Journal very seriously. And once I talked to the ringer. I didn't seriously consider doing anything else. But going to work for the u you are New York base for the Wall Street Journal, correct?.
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"Over placement thing is what matters and football, and what is actually valuable Mandalay legal standpoint. I think it's going to be really really hard for just sit there on rank positions. One. Are you know, players one through three hundred. I think that that might be a bridge too far right now, there's just so many subtle nuances or different with different positions. But I do think you can find out. Out. We're going to find out more about the value of players and who can be taken out of game. Who can't that kind of thing? I think that's what's gonna be fascinating. As far as the next couple of years. One of the things it's clear Kevin is that there's a huge audience for an analytical writing in baseball, or at least baseball writers use analytics, I'm starting to see that in hockey now, obviously, I work at a place athletic, where they they have a number of writers who are really really knew metric, you know, sort of new metrically either sound or new metrically, I, and it's, you know, this is not my specialty. But it's really interesting to sort of read these advanced metrics into statistics in hockey, where do you think do you think there will be a audience for this kind of writing? Obviously the data the date is going to happen. We're going to have this. But do you think how do I phrase it traditional NFL fans are so used to reading I think a certain. Style of writing, you know, whether it's Peter King or somebody else that we haven't seen the kind of stuff we've seen in baseball. Do you think from your experience given that you're in the middle of this? Is there an audience for this kind of writing? Or is there an animal is there an audience that really is craving football analytics. Well, I've never gonna write a whole lot about the boy analytics during the season, I'm probably I think there were I think I had three pieces this year that much figure sort of dove into what it's going to mean for the sport and had some nuggets within that that I felt were important. I think that when you look at the analytics of the sport, I think people if you can tell them something, they don't know they're always going to read it. And I I sort of I don't understand a lot of the analytics, frankly, I don't understand. I I'm not some of the, you know, I'm not fluent in our the stuff that these guys are really smart at I couldn't do that. If I if the team to hire me to be there annex guy, I would be out of the building within a month. But what I try to do is just find. And this is something I've seen Michael Lewis talk about a lot. And I'm I'm, you know, trying to do an extremely bad Michael Lewis impression sometimes and he basically. When he looks at a story he wants to find the one or two or three people who can explain everything to you. And then just ride them threat out the story. And that's what I try to do with analytic. So I try to identify a handful of people who can not only explain to me exactly what's happening in their struggle Lucien. You know, I football idiot, basically. But also the reader and in that story there a couple of people someone like managerial, and it was a scout. And it's now what I sky Warren sharp. I mean, like even something as simple with Warren sharp as saying like, you know, one of the things we're not looking at enough is just avoiding third-down entirely. Well, I'm around football a lot. And it's not something I hear a lot except from you know, analytically inclined coaches, Sean Payton to to have essentially the solution to offense be be so aggressive on first and second down. You're never in third down. It's very simple. It's a talking point. You can tell your friends to be smarter at a party with it. And that sort of how I. How I view those stories is if you can teach people something they do not know they will read it full stop a couple more here. I know you are in New Orleans. It's been a long night. So we'll keep you too much longer..
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"So ballet did is as crazy as it is ballets, very helpful. When you are talking about. Clemson, Alabama secondary's very new so. Yeah. Tell to- finebaum to start taking some ballet now. Let's see where. Yeah, I've tried to work with him on that. Because his body movements are not the smoothest enough reason news there, but he ballet training. Yeah. Listen, we could. Including this New Yorker slash Canadian at the moment. Our Laura Rutledge, Laura, you know, I've I almost feel like I need to lake take a break because I have to now read your resume and list of all the things you're doing. So I have to prepare for this. It's so long Laura Rutledge is a reporter and host for ESPN in a number of roles, including college foot. She's airport on college football, basketball, gymnastics, baseball softball. I'm sure I've missed some sports. She's a host of the SEC networks SEC nation. She's now a co host on get up. We learn not getting paid any extra cash for that. What if what a trooper she's a regular on the Paul finebaum show? She's hosted sportscenter. And and I certainly appreciate her time, Laura. The people who work with you always have great things to say about you. And that to me is usually the standard that I use in terms of. You know, just sort of how to think about a person who's in the business so credit to you. And thank you very much for the time. And I wish nothing but success ending forward. Thanks for joining us today on the sports media podcast. Thank you for having me. It was a pleasure are my thanks to Laura Rutledge. And now we had for our conversation with Kevin Clark. Kevin Clark is an NFL writer and podcast for the ringer. He previously covered the NFL for the Wall Street Journal. He also hosts he can correct me if I'm wrong on this. But I'm going to call it a video short slow news day and Kevin Kevin Clark point joy. How would you describe that? Kevin if the video something yet, if something it's on video, and that's that's all I can describe it as a it's a four minute sort of run through the NFL news, and it's slightly talk show. We have a guest twenty things I do during the week. But it it's kind of defies genre. Yeah, it's great. Which is why it's kind of interesting that's actually really like against just sort of Google slow news day. Kevin Clark the ringer. If you want to check it out. It's a. There's a best live short is where I'm going to put it in the Oscar category. But you can you can make your termination. So the reason why I wanted to have you on this podcast is I don't think this is an overstatement about to kiss your bud a little bit. But it is from an honest place. You to me have you've engineered very unique writing style or sort of content generation style when it comes to NFL stories, and I would sort of say, they're a mix of quirky stories analytically bay stories and access stories and a lot of people I read they might be one of those three, but you're three of those three. I remember reading a piece that you did on like game of thrones spoilers and how like players like a big thing like in training camp. Like players did not want other players to give it up. I I really am impressed by just sort of the the stories and and and unique angles that you come up with. For the NFL. So that's my long way of of asking you a very simple question. If that ridiculously long winded answer, how do you do a question, I should say, how do you describe what you do? So first of all, I appreciate you saying that I think there's a lot of people who are really burst out the NFL. VM hugely impressed with you know, people like Jenny Brenta's who do this stuff every single week? And and it's incredible obviously, Peter King. There's a lot of great enough L writers out there and my colleagues of the ringer hall. Incredible. I think that I when I view a story I kind of look at it as and this is gonna sound weird. But you know, I kinda game planet almost like what coach would I just figure out what would be best. So some going into Minnesota. And I know I can get Kirk cousins and Rick Spielman, and and Mike Zimmer then I can plan for more of an access type store..
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"I'm not try. I would I do have a young daughter. I'm not sure I'd want her to go to sports broadcasts. But we'll see how the how the how plays out you you. You were the sideline reporter for the jets lions on Monday night football with by Beth mountains, and Brian greasy. And so obviously, you know, getting getting to be in NFL broadcast is a huge huge thing even with your resume as someone who's done significant college football games. I did want to ask you, though, what having gone through that experience. What what was unique about it in relation to college? You you. Have been in many coaches production meetings. I'm sure in the SEC with obviously very, you know, well-known people to save into the world etcetera. And now you had this opportunity to be part of the NFL world. So I'd be curious about what maybe where the differences for you. And if there was anything that was similar regarding your specific role on that broadcast. Yeah. Well, I kind of pinch myself every time I think about even doing that broadcast. And and I'm somebody that you know, I think to battle the, and he says the things that may come your way, if you're being put a big spotlight, and you sort of think, okay? This is probably the one thing. I can't mess up getting out of mine. This way, I think has success in that world were inevitably going make a mistake or not be yourself. So at the time I say that because at the time I was convincing myself to you the coach mantra that it was just any other game. And it just really wasn't he'll and just almost the self talk of like, hey, calm down. This is not a big deal. You're fine, whatever. And I remember you live in that. It was a big deal. And I just couldn't fight it for the first time when we were on the field, and I was actually standing there with a young woman who had gone to the university of Florida, and is now alliance reporter names, Tori Petrie, and she was down there. And she looking to go you're about to report on a Monday night football game to open the season. And I was like, oh, thanks for saying that story someone I've sort of parlor Ray..
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"And then my friend signed me up almost as a joke, and that was how I got into that world. And and I realized as I was doing that, you know, at the time in college at the university of Florida, I was only Leo I did not want to be on TV. I wanted to write and I wanted to be on the radio. But as I started to do the interview process for the pageant world and four miss Florida. I realized this is a great way to practice for. What I may wanna do. And so I use it for that. And then also enjoy the community service aspect and enjoyed sort of the the world that I never magic being watched into embraced it, and it was fine and different at the time. You know, I thought how will this affect my career going forward? I I really did wonder about it. And then once one Florida, I was still reporting for for Toyota at the time. I was the Tampa Bay rays reporter and then got a job as the San Diego Padres reported that year. So I was flying back and forth between San Diego and Florida to do my community service. You're basically a community servant for the state for an entire year. So to do that and then also to do my job. And so my my path was always unconventional route. And it it just a product of what it was. And I once I was done with Florida. Crowning moved onto the next thing. I was very at first embarrassed by it, and I tried to hide, you know, the the pictures that are out there trying to I thought this is going to be the the biggest credibility killer that I could ever have. And what am I gonna do? And there are probably still some days where you know, maybe somebody looks at up and they use it against me. But what I found is that through time and through just frankly to prove myself, which I don't get mad at you know, that's just part of what it is. I'm going to have to prove myself more than you know, Marcus spears or ah, Dan, Roloff skier, whoever it may be who who has played the sport, and who had a different type of credibility than I'll have I just embrace that and said, okay, this is what it's going to be. There are many times though to the other part of your question where I do think that people judge a book by a cover, and it actually just motivates me further. I've found that that gives me. More fire than anything else. Disassembling that there are people that doubt me and the second I walk in a room. They're going to think, well, she only, and it's happened in coaches meetings with college football coaches happened in meetings with college baseball coaches, that's happened. When I was covering major league baseball. You know, what is happened along the way? And then I think most people if you pulled them after the fact would say, okay, she actually knew what she was talking about. He's prepared. She's knows the game Anderson's game. And then if they don't then honestly never gonna change their mind anyway. So I might as well move on. And I think that's the best philosophy to have. But there are so many times, I think if I ever have a daughter, I'm not sure that I would want her to be in this business, and that's not complaining. But it just it's just a fact it's it's very tough in many ways. I all the rings. I mentioned appreciate the answer. And you're right. It's you know, every job has. It's own thing. But sports broadcasting is very uniquely subjective thing and a lot of times the subjectively is not based at all on merit or intellect. It's just based on a singular person sort of view of what a broadcaster should be. So so I hear you on..
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"I'm glad you said that because on the that leads me into something I did wanna talk to you bad, and that's kind of the issue of gender when it comes to sports media. I have seen a number of threads from your colleagues ESPN, and certainly one producer at get up who who sort of let it be known that. And this is you know, unsurprising because I think a lot of not I think I know how many women in the business get this. But very specific about some of the chauvinism and sexism that you get on Twitter, and a lot of it sort of goes to like the idea of some of the stuff that's really like kind of like absurdly like, you know, from like a hundred years ago. Like, you know, why wire women talking about sports wise woman on the air. So here's where I sort of wanted to get into what is that like for you on a day-to-day basis on social media? I've talked to many. Many women in the business. I have a sense of how bad it is for them. So let's specific for you. What what is that like in relation to sexism chauvinism that you face? Yeah. You know, I it's so tough for me to to really put some sort of label on it. And it's a it's something that it really bothers me. But not in a sense of it bothers me that people are saying that to me or about me, and to be totally honest. It did used to really bother me. I would say even as recently as a year ago or year and a half ago, I sort of think to myself, and that's how in told me that I have no business talking about football. I should go back in the kitchen. I should go make a witch. Maybe they're right. You know, and that little inkling of doubt with cert- decrease in and I would find that it would affect me as much as I would try to fight. It was some sort of shifts that sort of happened. And I think it happened actually around us. I'm last year when I was hosting that are getting more of that than I used to honestly. And for firefly's decision either. I'm gonna let this affect me or a half. Stop. I have to even stop looking at it. So a lot of times. I don't get it. And I'll just do everything I can to to not have with it one interesting thing that I think is is something that really bothers me. The most is when I see people commenting about other women, and even a lot of times, they're my colleague or just other women that I respect in the business that really bothers me. And that's where it sort of makes my blood boil, and I wanna I I'm always fighting to fire back at people. And that's the hard part. You wanna say something back you wanted to yourself. But you know, at some point that becomes annoying people to and and that just makes it look like, it's affecting you too much. So I think that I think what I found is if for every one of these people who saying what they're saying, there's probably three other people who have been very complimentary. And and I think you just have to focus on small progress that we're making women, and and I've never been like, oh, man. You know, I'm a woman in media..
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"America today. CBS etcetera, you're competing cable news in a very polarized politicized time. But ESPN at least for the moment seems in at least on this concept on this show. If you could take yourself out of the show, do you have confidence. This kind of show is something that can last for a long time. Yeah. You know, I do and point it is obviously a competitive culpable. You know, like totally taking myself out of it. I think the way that it's from the little is that you know, for the time being and that's the immediate to maybe even five year future. My guess is that he s looks at the year to year ratings. So is the ratings continue to go up and they're looking for a certain number or their comparatively up. That's going to be something that ever say, hey, why not you know, if this is this is better than what was before. We're going to keep doing it and keep hermit. And I got that. There's a commitment to it. But there's also an understanding that mix it's not gonna be you know, it turns into some sort of magic that then all of a sudden become a destination for people are the morning show. Great. But I I don't think that there's those big desire to compete again Morning, America's of the world. And all the shows that that you mentioned I think if anything it's more like, hey, this is this is caters. This is like if you're, you know, somebody who likes eggs. Maybe you have your eggs like over over medium some days. Maybe scrambled. No. This is the person that wants them poached to a certain standard every day. And that's what they're looking for. And that's that's what a morning show any of is essentially because it's going to be sports focused. It's going to get you updated on everything that you need to know that maybe you miss last night because he had to go to bed earlier, or whatever it may be. So however that mantra or that that philosophy evolves. And and I think it evolves through get up. I think that's sort of the formula. But then it will change in many ways and already has. I think that's more what actually could work, and I don't think that's a pie in the sky type thing. Because as I you know, send a lot of time out in the field. I run into all kinds of people who you know, at the end of the day. They're asking me about get up there talking about hey, now, you know, what I turn the show on and watch it every day, and I will be honest for a while a lot of the feedback that I would get just from random fans with not. That good. And it was like, hey, you know, I don't watch that. So why are you on that show? Now, the really has been a missed where more and more people come up to me and say, that's my morning viewing. That's what I do. Now understanding and all that this is a microcosm of society because it's your average sports fan. What what is your commitment to that show in terms of the amount of do you have a certain amount of days weeks years that you've committed or is it to the or is it really just about whatever SPN management decides? With you. You're going to do in terms of you being part of that rotation. Yeah. I think it's more the ladder in you know, basically like during basketball season Maria Taylor. I just say what is our schedules with what do I schedule look like and she's on mostly Saturday games. I'm on Tuesday games. I do the super to package from ESPN. So I'll be New York Thursday Friday now like. It was important IFO could be there the entire week and that following Monday. So I'll be there more that we it's it's dependent. I think upon you know, certainly and just our availability. And they've been great about working with us. And and I think it's important to the show and important to ESPN overall for us to also be involved in live event in still be in that world, just because it does provide a unique perspective, and frankly, that's a world where we wanna say. That's how it's gone. So it really is just sort of as down by month..
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"So her either still I still in this as. And I hope that actually they in the impression of just being kind of surprised, but also very grateful for anything that coming my way. The I think one of the things that. There are people who listen to this podcast who are young who are either at the start of their career, or maybe college students who hope to get to where you are. And so I try to ask like process questions sometimes or questions where people can sort of learn something about the craft. So for you, and you could go as long as you want on this in terms of preparation process. What's the difference for you when you work in the studio versus when you're working remote on assignment? Yeah. You know, I think one of the things that that really surprised me that they're actually similar I try to make them to different. And I think it actually struggled yarn. When I was given hosting opportunities at ESPN actually started hosting SEC, which was I took Maria Taylor's job when she moved out to bigger and better things, and I was given an opportunity to host SEC now. And I look back at that tape and realize that I was way too mechanical, and I was trying to hit a certain Mark. And and retailer prompter and all these things and once I decided to just sort of approach everything the same way, which is basically coming in with an extensive amount of knowledge in preparation on the front end. So that once I'm actually broadcasting just free to talk that grew over all Salafi apply to whether it's working to field. Whether it's work in the studio, whether it's work on radio, podcast, whatever it may be using that overall philosophy almost free. Me up. It was like this great weight that was lifted off my shoulders of okay. I don't have to actually conform to these sort of northern obviously you have to hit breaks. And you have the follow instructions, and I'm not saying real. Studio host. But I do think that that taking what made things work out in the field, which was just sort of off the top of my head. I mean, everything the cuss when you feel. There's no opportunities to look at a paper. Really? And I don't I just say, you know, whatever it is. I'm gonna maybe right? A quick note. And then internalize it and regurgitate very quickly after that with a little bit more personality and conversational silence. I think taking that as as a formula. And it's almost a weird way to call it a formula because it's not it's just sort of willy nilly for like, a better term has has really led to success in both real how much how much was being on the SEC network, again, an important network PIN, but not ESPN or ESPN two. How much did that help you in terms of getting reps? And maybe figuring out what worked for you. As a host before you got. Opportunities ESPN either on get up sportscenter, etc. Yeah. It was so helpful, and I look back and just think about, you know, all the people who had to work with me as a very young and green studio host, and you know, guys, like don't Disney, Brad. You can't Pete water at all these people that you know, were part of the SEC network can still are there in Jones news, actually, still the producer for Mason. No relation to Walt this, by the way, a lot of people think that maybe. Yes. Greenham coincidence, especially owns, but anyway, I don't were very patient with me and just even learning the mechanics of the EMT system. Again, I studied it in college. But I hope you're in years it really able so in that realm and having burn how to do all that they very patient with me. And I think what what I learned the most about him that there are some nitty gritty things that I would you know, that learning how to write teases properly learning how to operate an Inzerillo warning some of the terminology..
"kevin clark" Discussed on Sports Media with Richard Deitsch
"The ringer. Previously. Worked for the Wall Street Journal, Kevin Clark just does pieces that they're quirky and different and NFL writing that in my opinion, you just not seeing elsewhere. So we got into a discussion on how Kevin finds his. His his pieces, and or his subjects and also the difference of working for the ringer versus the Wall Street Journal two very different publications to places in different parts of the world as well, Los Angeles, California and New York City. So Laura Rutledge first and then Kevin Clark coming up on the sports me podcasts. Laura Rutledge is a reporter and host for ESPN in a number of roles, including working as a reporter on college. Football, basketball, gymnastics, baseball and softball you. Also saw her this year do Monday night. Football jets lions? We'll get into that. She is the host of the SEC networks SEC nation. She's also a co host of get up. She's a regular on the Paul finebaum show. I believe she's hosted sportscenter. We're getting into Stephen a Smith territory in terms of someone who's getting a lot of different jobs at ESPN and Lor Laura ledge joins us on the sports media podcasts. Laura. Thanks for coming on today. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Big fan of the podcast many years, though, cool for me. Way to read off the prompter law. That was nice of you to. Right now for your podcasts. So you are in the rare position where I wanna start your in the rare position ESPN that you have multiple options in terms of where you wanna go with this with this company with us network. You recently signed a contract extension. That's always good and you have assignments as a reporter on major college football broadcasts. You have pretty nice hosting job on the SEC network on you know, I would argue their signature show or one of their signature shows. You're now part of your now a regular part of the get up rotation which obviously is very important investment free SPN, and you know, you also do other stuff like finebaum show excetera. So do you have an idea of where you hope to be in a couple years with ESPN? Or are you someone who you enjoy this? You enjoy the sort of many different kinds of things you're doing it ESPN. Yeah. It's so funny because even when you listing off the different roles as I as I say them, it's hard for me to think about eliminating any of it. I. Love all of it. And that's not with service. I I wouldn't do it. If I didn't love all of it. I think some oh must be signed all these things. And and that's partly. But a lot of it's been that. I was able and said, you know, hey, whatever comes around. Let me make sure that I can do it and to ESPN credit. They've given me opportunities to trial these different things. So when I look at my role, you know, what I would like to see over the next couple of years. It's really just a some sort of combination of all those things and and getting opportunity on the biggest events, which for me as somebody who, you know, started at this company in twenty fourteen started with the SEC network on a very minimal contract. I was basically signed up to do twelve football games. And you know, when I look back at that say, I can't even believe that I'm getting a chance to do any of this stuff..
"kevin clark" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"I really get Kevin Clark in one second while we're taping. This super Dave died or we found out that super Dave that Bob Einstein who was a friend of the of the hall extended ringer family in the cousin Sal, Jimmy universe. We didn't against all odds podcast being sow and super Dave that we're going to republish on that feed. If you hadn't heard it he was one of the funniest people I've ever interacted with just a great great guy. And we we knew he wasn't feeling that great. But was very surprised to hear that news. But one of the all time one of the all-time funny comedy dudes from when I was growing up, but more importantly, like just a great guy. And really funny. There's I've been around a lot of funny people in my in my day, which I I I've been fortunate in that regard. And there's like a handful of people who were just funny constantly who like reading the room playing off people teasing them making fun of them who were just on all the time. And he was like the number one example in my head like that. He was just so funny. You just anytime you ran him us like laughing, and which is a great guy. And he came on this podcast couple times. He came on it the old one had an ESPN, but the one we did with Sao, I think was one of my favorites. And we had to cut out like, I think probably twenty minutes of it because he kept telling these crazy jokes and he used his great. So we're gonna republish that on their super, Dave. We love you really sorry to hear that news. Anyway. Here we go with Kevin car. All right. The ringers. Kevin Clark is here. Playoffs are coming this weekend. Pittsburgh has hijacked the headlines of Pittsburgh drama really controversial piece by Seth wicker sham. Twenty thousand words about the. The fall of the Ono he'd say ESPN didn't write anything by bad my bad. It's only when the patriots have perceived tension. Are there twenty thousand word pieces and a whole week of content and ESPN I forgot my bad. Sorry, kyle. Didn't mean the gay fired up. Yes. Steelers dissension. I it's it's an amazing story because this is happening with couple of times in the last three or four years for the second trade request. Antonio Brown has made this season. He may September everybody forgot about. But everything in the NFL. And it wasn't in passing. He threw it out. Young kiddie aggressive on the report is the I'm done at at practice. Yeah. And people think that that was trade request. Right. He was just he was done throwing the ball Ben Rothlisberger. Which is apparently what he did. So but the default in the NFL was nothing's a big deal. Ari L, A X, relax, all this stuff. And the Steelers have a nice combination of extremely dramatic. People. Yeah. I mean, it's all it's very high school. It's very everyone's got these aim away messages that are all like, they're feuding with each other. And it's it's it's really amazing to see in the very NBA. I think I was thinking more desperate housewives circle. Like two thousand six it's Ben Rothlisberger has one bad game against the Jaguars last year. And it's immediately. We'll maybe I don't have it. Any other quarterback is like we're just gonna put our heads down Brian. And Ben Ben has criticized pretty much every every SCO position player on the team. The last couple of years Antonio Brown is obviously, you know, a even even yesterday Ben Rothlisberger called levian bell a distraction, even though of EON bell is has been gone for an entire year has he distraction knacker if you're distracted. That's on you. I think. Yeah. But he's not there. Antonio Brown is obviously a mess in practice. And so it's just a rare combination of combustible people and it spills out into the public. It's actually quite fascinating to watch. I have a lot of thoughts. My thought is everybody's in the wrong here. Probably is my guest. It seems like a bad collection of personalities compounded. By the fact that Ryan shazier who seemed like key had filled that defensive leader role for them. And it was kind of like the guy and then he goes out midway through last season. He's never gonna play. Again. See you add that to then you have all these kind of beta dudes on the other side and Mike Tomlin who is in that peak Herro camp of all, hey, I can handle anybody..
Did the Bears Make a Mistake with Deshaun Watson?
"So let me start with us. We always. The Cleveland Browns. They can't get the quarterback. Right. I cannot believe they passed on Carson Wentz. Let's just take the Cleveland Browns and shoved them. Off the air for minute, and let's talk about the Chicago Bears. So Joe thighs, men was talking about dish on Watson who could be a Chicago bear, but they passed on him for Mitch Trubisky. And Joe ties been said yesterday, his quote is he's more accurate than Cam Newton. He's fast within Cam Newton. He's more allusive than Cam Newton. I don't know if all that's true, but I do like the Shawn Watson a lot, and here's what is amazing is much as we bang on Cleveland for passed on Carson Wentz. The Chicago Bears passed onto Shawn Watson, who has a multiple year starter. He started two full years and then his sophomore year, he started a little too, and he completed sixty seven percent of his throws. Sixty seven percent of his throws. His coach is not a former NFL guy is not known as an offensive guru, like some guys have no just dabbles when he's a great coach, but he took that coach completed sixty seven percent. He faced Alabama twice. Both times was six weeks to prepare the best defensive in the best coach in college football, Nick Sabin could non stop him could not stop him to time six weeks
"kevin clark" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Those out. Check out the ringer NFL show hosted by one of those Kevin Clark. And we launched Dan ac- football couple of weeks ago, which is like shockingly good did he hyphen is like, I think he's like eighteen years old. He may be the youngest podcast. Those I wouldn't doubt it. They invited you one. Mazed nor I are good, a fantasy football. We're not going to be invited onto that show. It's it's it. They're just dropping. They have this link Ardy they're like, well, he's a QB eight right now. Cook it to QB five. What is the instant chemistry? Yeah, it's pretty good. Check that out. It's running on Wednesdays and they have a lot of good tips. All ready. I've learned a lot dynasty football on the ringer NFL show Clark means around there twice a week, GM street. It is packed. We're heading toward the season. We're gonna talk about this season with Kevin Clark back from his big training camp trip along with Sean fantasies, Kentucky by the history of the jets QB's. But I, our friends from program. All right. So. Of driving into work in the pats last yet. Another first round pick. Injuries and NFL investigations and and trading down. Not a lot of production from first round picks. This one was just a bad luck thing because as Ahah win offense of lamb and they drafted just buses achilles. In the second preseason game, they lost a first round pick with deflate gate, which was the biggest job of this decade with football. I still can't believe it. The Steelers just had a deflating football exhibition. Nobody cares swept under the rug with an eight hour. Nobody cares. Nobody ever cares about footballs except the time I woke up from that story. It had been resolved, but a league deal lost two thousand eight lost a first round pick because the spy gate and the pats have traded down a bunch of times. I don't. My math is a little bit off just because I'm doing this up top my head, but I would say over the last eleven years, I'm gonna throw in Laurence Maroney to sucked. Okay. Just the pats getting anything out of a first round, pick borderline. Miracle, and yet they're mad success to win the AFC jet. I keep looking at this patsies let's start with them because I think it's a real interesting question. We just pencil in the pats every year for the and for years and years. It's been the best bet the UN to their training camp. I went to the bills. You went to the bills, twenty two bills training camp, and I'm happy to report for you the patriots disturbing to see. Okay, good. Because I look at this and I go one of these years. They're gonna go six and ten. It's gonna happen. This is the rule of the NFL other AFC. I mean, I don't think you can tell the story of the patriots dynasty without telling the rest of the AFC east as to handle man thing that that is the bills have just been in general completely irrelevant the dolphins if had little specks of relevance, but nothing really sustainable. I mean, again, if they'd gotten drew Brees and Nick Sabin those those two team up, it's a completely different story over the past decade. It's the biggest one. I mean, we hear this. There are people on all the time who say the number one thing with patriots. Dynasties ballot check number two or one be whatever you want to do is Brady number three is Chan daily and buddy nix? Yeah, Todd Bowles, and all of the people around who have conspired to Braves in the. In at least the Braves they were helped along in that division streak by the fact that the Phillies and the Marlins dollars teams never put together a sustainable, Ron. I'm conceding of this by the way just before I keep going on this, the jets fans..
"kevin clark" Discussed on The NFL Show
"Yeah all right chris borrell in his hair kevin clark surfing winner were tape in this a day after uh uh a brutal pittsburgh cincinnati yet did you guys watch that game yes it i didn't know how much will bar you're watching these days i'm not you're out i'm out yeah not protesting it not you know anything like that i think i think it's apathy i just not interested to watch anymore because i'm surprised to hear that it was such a big part of your life for i'm sure since you were a kid right drew yeah but i think in ways that's actually knees your way to abstain because it was cathartic for me i got it out of my system i think a lot of people who have been played at that level still maybe romanticise it a little bit yeah kevin this once once you've seen how the sausages made it's it's pretty easy not to watch i so kevin al talk about the gap our but there is this every once in a while there's just a brutal night game it's like either once a year once every two years to just a game or like three guys get carried off often usually those two teams somehow yeah what wrath of what was worthless burgers quote after that when it's ravens steelers it's a hardhitting game and when it's ravens emsar steelers bangles he's he's scared for everybody yeah he satellite that was the way he phrased it and the thing about the shoes your hair which is probably the scariest hit i've seen it a last fiveyear something like that is you know.