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HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING: Previewing Kevin Campbell, Amber Borzotra and Christmas Abbott as Big Brother All-Stars

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HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING: Previewing Kevin Campbell, Amber Borzotra and Christmas Abbott as Big Brother All-Stars

"Everybody. What's going on rob sister Nina here for hypothetically speaking our final preview of people that may or may not be in the big brother. House when all stars kicks off Wednesday night, can you believe it nine PM Eastern? We will be live with coverage right after the episode to breakdown everything from the live move in advance. But today we're gonNA talk about the last couple of names on our list of people that may hypothetically be in the Big Brother House this season, we're gonNA start things off. We're going to be talking about the return of Kevin Campbell one of the more interesting names to discuss on this list. So that's very exciting looking forward to talking about Kevin. We will be joined on this podcast talk about Kevin by an old friend, Camp Perry who's back with us and a newcomer. Riley. Howard Bursch is going to be with us, and then in part two of this podcast conversation today, we're going to talk about not one but two more people in the second half, we're GONNA. Talk about. Christmas. Abbott who may be coming back to the Big Brother House. Maybe Christmas in August might definitely be Christmas in August based on her instagram. In the past twenty, four hours. So check that out, and then we're GonNa talk about Amber Brewers, Zo Trauma. What, yes, amber born zo tra- potentially back in the mix, and we're going to be joined by Mike. Bloom is going to be joining the conversation with Taryn and myself plus another one of our newcomers is going to be with us. That's GONNA. GonNa be Kelsey, rose, Mandi, who's going to be with us in this episode, of course, don't forget about our live coverage on Wednesday night. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast to make sure you don't miss an episode, and of course, that's to upset com slash I tunes and then on. Thursday morning, it looks like the live feeds are going to go. Go on tariffs. I. Live Feed Update is going to be ready to ways to subscribe to the podcast. Of course, you can do rob his website, accomplish I, tunes at scripture main feed, or you can subscribe to our big brother. Only podcast at rob is website dot com slash be be podcast. All right. I am very excited to talk about this next person who hypothetically speaking is going to be one of the people playing in big brother. All Stars, and this is a fun one to talk about because I. Think this person is worthy of being all star, but I never thought we actually see this person back on big brother, of course back with us, of course, Taryn. Arms Taryn, how're you? Doing very well, I I never thought it'd be talking about this. Kevin. Campbell who I rose. Lavigne's said yet. Yes. It's very, it's very exciting. I will say big brother eleven I feel like is one of the season's I. AM weakest on in terms of remembering all of the events and stuff and I feel like that's true for most of the feminist kind of gets lost. In time mostly remembered for Jeff Jordan coup-d'etat. But but Kevin was definitely a big part of this. Well, you and I were talking the other day about my my own personal big brother history and really you know the. Initial fan to start, and then I did a lot of podcasting or was a radio shows around the fishbowl all through the next couple of years. But then like around the big brother, ten big brother eleven area is like a little bit of like a blind spot for me where I was like the most casual of casual watchers before then I started up, rob has a podcast with. With Big Brother Twelve. So there's a little bit of a blind spot, but I'm happy that we're able to fill things in and I'm excited to have back with us now, not not from the class of twenty twenty, but back in. So you think you can podcast. We first met this man. I'm happy to have him back with us here today. It's Camp Perry, Cham, how are you? I'm great. I see like our pair would turn sit like, Kevin, he wasn't on my radar, but he's definitely one of the best black players we've ever seen play the game and I think like with everything going on, we need more of those great players because you know with all stars like you need people to have personality is also someone completely game and he can do both. So I'm real excited about what he can bring to the table and I. Hope that we see more. We can do because even big brother eleven like he was a part of why the biggest moves in the house s season. So like he someone definitely may mark and I think if he. Would made to the end. You probably would have won so. WanNa. See what he can do this on. Okay. Looking forward to talking through some bb eleven. I do remember though that kept in was. I always relate to the. robbed. G. Dodds G.. Dot, Odyssey's of these shows and I definitely remember him being like he was the he should have one guy. So looking forward to talking about Kevin from that season in here with us a newcomer from the class twenty twenty. Riley Bursts Riley, how are you? I'm doing pretty well, thanks for having me. I'm really excited to finally be on a podcast for our AGP I'm also really excited to talk about Kevin his it was a great personality, pretty good player on his first season. I like you guys never thought, we would ever get to see him play again. So I'm really excited to get to see him play and it's always nice to see someone who is not your typical big brother contestant being brought back. He represents a lot of different communities. He has intersection analogy -ality going on and it's just nice to see different types of people being considered for all star season. Okay. Briley. Could you tell listeners little bit about yourself? So I will be twenty one in about a week and a half. I am a current college students. I've been watching survivor for about ten years. Big Brother for about six. I've been frantically catching up because I really liked the shows a lot I'm a student for theater, English and philosophy. Trying to go into the play writings last screenwriting profession and I've just really really loved the Social Strategy Games. So I'm really excited to be on our HP fire. Okay. All right. So Nice to have you here with US Riley and I guess, let's start with filling in everything for Kevin Campbell in terms of people who may be newer fans to big brother I do feel like that. BBC sixteen is sort of like an inflection point. I feel like a lot of people's for whatever reason came in. With that season that sort of like the rebirth of modern big brother starting with a be sixteen. So I'm sure there's more than a few people that are listening to this podcast that may not have seen bb eleven. HD and Franken, `Grande Rob HD, and Frankie, `Grande, it all it all happened. But Taryn, could you just give us like the of quick? Synopsis. Of who is Kevin Campbell? Why should people be excited to see Kevin? Kevin was as you mentioned as somebody mentioned. One of the. Often. CONC-, he's often brought up in the best never win category. Usually, not the top name on the list, but usually the name that will come up when. When. Like a historian of the show wants to seem smart right well, that Kevin Campbell on season eleven now. It'd be like, who was he again but but that's because he came very close. He made it to the final three played a very good game. He had a couple of really impressive moves us very good. Social Player, a very good strategic player. He I believe avoided the block for most of the season. And and just like overall was pretty under the radar player like even the fans at the time. I don't think we're really recognizing what he was doing until. They look back at it and said Oh. You know what Kevin was actually pretty impressive. Yeah, big brother eleven's a weird season. There's a lot going on here with big brother eleven that we have a a vote. Or. Like there was some sort of a competition to bring a returning player into the season, and then we're going to have the cliques in the seasons in which I think is really. Super Great. The high school cliques season of big. Brother Eleven. CAMP COULD USE A. said. How does big brother eleven open up? Yes. So I think they run eleven like even the click tip twists when I first heard about the twist was like man is kind of a fair like you know obviously big brothers never been fair. Like with that, you stuck with like three other people lying in think athletes have four five people I guess A. I remember ably, but like just having been some of people in. If you hate those people like you know, you don't like your way and you click like this in like with the whole thing with I have been people like athletes like you've got. Jeff, you got you know Russell. You Got Jesse like those three people are like completely different people and you know that's recipe for disaster and I thank you know just having that as the starting point. I think it just like pretty much snowballed in, he would just weren't willing to work with each other you and I think you have to win. Win You're like stuck with people. You have to just kind of just let things be as being, and then once that twisted over usually only lasts like four weeks you've gotta just you know, let's go through thing and then go and then you know your own strategies. I. Think that's what they should have did what? I think. They weren't patient and I, think, that's what costs like you know allows people to not make this. They did it. Do you think it might have been a little too on the nose for big brother to really lean into the big brother is like a high school mentality. I definitely think it was a little too on the nose and probably just not good idea for a twist first season overall because the whole. Big Brother is like a high school thing that they keep pushing is kind of meant so that certain types of people are it's kind of a way to justify the fact that certain types of people normally succeeded big brother. About it. I. Feel. Like a lot of ways it was just the different archetypes are put together and thus the different a lot of times. Early in the game, people want to kind of get rid of people who were likes themselves because they don't WanNa be lumped in together or like there's just A. Dichotomy of two different types of people who were very similar. But because of this, they couldn't go after each other and they were forced to just stay together. So the strategy didn't really start up until later on the season, but there were still a lot of fights because there was a lot of and. Like. Certain actual personalities, but they actually weren't able to get out the people who they wanted to get out. So it just delayed the strategy and kind of prolonged the drama. Yes, I think this season overall. Also, they're going to bring in Mr Pek tackler. There was one of four returning players that ended up going into the House that were. I remember them all standing there. Was it a vo or was it a competition that? This thing rob is that they had these four clicks the popular kids, the brains, the offbeat. And the athletes and they had them compete in a physical competition to see which one would come in. So you know very much like offering what twenty thousand dollars to allow. Paul into the game. I. Think this one was rigged from this. Guy All. Right? Thumb on the scale to get Mr Patacula it to the house. All right. So. In the early going of a big brother eleven, is it. Cam I. is it a slow go for Kevin from from my recollection of eleven like I definitely remember a lot of stuff with Ronnie. Playing both sides of the house. We're, where did cavins game really get started? Yes. So his game Kinda got started kind of late in the game when he was Kinda on offense, I. Think for a large force of the game, like like like people said already like the clicks. Dictated like, it will not really make the move. They win a make and he was a Florida early game. He really wasn't doing much of. Seeing kind of where the numbers were kind of making sure that he was are the numbers and I think that actually helped them I. think that's lot of players to be doing a lot of times. Ronnie, especially e Cada play cards too. Early, he should've Kinda just i. what's he knew he will kind of catching on to his game. He started kind his label little bit, and then he shouldn't h h I. think that was the biggest mistake of the game i. think he said a let other. Other members you know, even save, let them win the H. Wage Label and people forget about it because he wore forgetting about what he was doing like constantly making mistakes all across the Board in Ronnie was still getting away with the people even comedy like I think case even talked about it. He was like talking about how Riley was to in people's heads. You know he was like one of the masterminds with Jesse, stuff like that and I think if he just wanted just you know just. Not. been. So on the know about everything I think he would have probably last longer. Okay Riley. Can you talk a little bit about the alliance's early on in the game in bb eleven? It seems like that from an outsider perspective that you had really Jesse at the center of everything that was going on running things in big brother eleven early on. Yeah I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that he was handed h wage week off out. Really ought to do anything whatsoever and a lot of times. As we've seen, the person who gets the I H, h usually is able to get a power structure around them and I think that helped him a lot in the early game, and also the fact that he won the week three h h up some lot in early game. She kind of had his faction of people that was. Starting to form, and they were kind of starting to steamroll the whole time and basically once Russell and Jeff had their altercation about the whole. Thing in the veto competition, Jeff kind of got put on the other side and just got as many people as he could scrounge up to help him out. But the fact of the matter was Jesse side just kept winning H. Just picking them off because there was no real need to do anything other than that, and then by the only time that the other top team had our Romney had completely blown up everything and it was just A. A complete hot mess, and it was just an obvious target allowing that sides real power structure, not really deal with much adversity early on. So tyranny in this first month of the game is Kevin sort of part of what Jesse has going on because I remember that Kevin was allies with Lydia, and then I, remember Lydia being upset when Jesse is going to go out. So it's Kevin on a like the periphery of what Jesse is doing. Yes, he's kind kind of included in that group. especially at the start, like it was very much like there was a big split at the very the very first week between. Brayden, and Chima, which which person were they going to vote? Kevin was very firmly on he. We get out Brayden side of things There's actually been a clip circulating recently. Reminding everyone of some of the things that Brian was saying and how Kevin was standing up to him. For being being racist and that's where she was. Eviction speech came into play where she. Basically, because she was on the live show, they couldn't stop her. She just went ahead and talked about what Brandon said, and they literally like censored her in in the live speech. It's. It's. It's this whole season is is a mess. Tom. Anyway. So yeah, he was with those. He was with that side of things, but he was never firmly locked in member of that crew as far as I. Remember, he was a lot more of like an individual player. He was. He was pretty close to Lydia. Re loyal to Lydia. But but beyond that, I, think that he was riding with the side that was going to be able to keep him say okay, Riley of. The, huge moment from big brother eleven that I'm sure a lot of people remember is when big jeff gets the CUDI TA and uses it on Shema's H. O. Oh to change the nominations. Jesse, Natalie. Up on the block. Jesse ends up going home, and then afterwards, Shema ends up not taking that. Great. She's removed from the house following the coup data. It's a major turning point in the season. Can you just describe a how it affected? Kevin, in terms of. Where things go from there. I think it was a massive detriment to Kevin moving forward. Because at the time, he was kind of on the outskirts of the power structure. But he wasn't necessarily loyal to them. He was. In good personally with everyone, but not very good in gamewise with. People wanted to keep them around as long as possible, and the fact that Russell got saved that Jesse went out was massively detrimental because even though both of them needed to go pretty soon for him, the fact that it was, Jesse. Who is someone who was going to keep him safe and on the side of the power would have bought him more time an effort for the other side's energy's going up against. Jesse versus going up against Lydia, when they next had their power and then Shema getting. Ejected also just makes it so that so much of the power on the other side of the house, he was kind of in one side and kind of once I, got decimated just by that one move, and thus he was kind of forced more. So onto that side of the house because when he was on the middle and that side kind of got removed Jeff is not particularly known as a player who's willing to work with other people. He's kind of you're on my team. If you're not on my team, I don't care and thus he. He wasn't on Jeff's team and Jeff Gotten so much more power. So then Kevin had to do so much more work like the move that he eventually does to get rid of. Russell, he has to do so much more work to get himself back into a better position. If he didn't have to do that were, he could have used that all of that time and all of that social capital that he built up to put himself into an even better position than he was in at that point Cam I do remember from the time that. Kevin had some really funny moments in the season after the departure of Jesse where I believe it's Lydia and Shema were. Really. Just sort of trying to comfort each other about the loss of Jesse and how upset they were, and they're being like really really over the top in terms of like what a great Guy Jesse was, and he really had some funny diary rooms about he's not dead. Yeah. It was so funny like I like Kevin because he was like pretty much like not afraid to say exactly what I was thinking in in his darkroom sessions like I feel like Jesse was like someone date. They all loved. It wasn't a great game by any means, but I think he was like the glue that like made everything stick like always trying to rein in Lydia because you know Lydia Natalie like a both love Jesse in a love triangle which I don't understand. Why that was happening, they should have just worked together from the star instead kind of trying to kill each other eight time they got. I think Kevin Likes. He played its Marlin gotta just let them do their thing and was like you're not gonNA get in the middle of this because I mean you gotta let things work itself out in I. Think if the Khuttan thing didn't happen I think it'd been really interesting how things would have played off on because I think they would have been set up in a good spot. But I. Think Shema Colleges Dosage Westwood. Why I duNno, it's still Kinda just irritates me because I think it just. I. Think they overreacted like under. They should have just kicked her out for what you did. But I think we'll never really know the full reason why she actually left I. Don't know if Y'all know. Yet, could we talk a little bit more about that for people who don't know that I'm sure they people have really heard stories, Shema? Somebody who got a victim from from what I remember that it was that she? Threw her battery pack in the pool because she was upset with production over the. But is there. Is there any other part of that story that's been? Speculated about the as I as I mentioned before she was definitely somebody that. Sheaf, she has I I have I haven't like I don't know exactly what she said, but I believe she has mentioned something along the lines of like, yeah. They really hated me after that speech that I made in week one calling out the racism. And they try to censor me about it and they gave me a talking to and so. then. She was eight age and the Cudi talk came into effect I. Believe she was not allowed to vote. She was dethroned and then she was not allowed to compete in the following H. Is there like she was just completely screwed over and she felt very like targeted. I think. In. Then she was put up on the block by Michelle, who won the age the following week. And she was like, this is just nonsense. And so she ends up Throwing her microphone into the pool or the Jacuzzi whichever it was. And they they used that as a way to say, okay, you're done. You're gone. Year you're kicked out, but she always felt like. You know some like if jeff had thrown his microphone into the pool. Jeff have been kicked out of the game. Probably not. So it's definitely one of those situations. It's like this This doesn't feel, right? Yeah. Okay. Riley I, want to know about Kevin Post the Cudi Tom. Because I feel like that. While that, you mentioned like it was definitely a setback to his game and detriment that I feel like that in some ways that. It's an opportunity for him because he's able to come up with a different plan that's ultimately going to get him very far into the Game Kevin Basically. Use this as an opportunity to kind of gain a lot of social capital with a lot of people and used it as an opportunity to be like the shoulder that a lot of the people on Jesse side would cry on. But also seem as composed one of the side that allowed him to make some of the moves that were or critical in the following weeks to end up. Getting him farther to the end. So I think at this move while it may put him in a worse position. It allowed his social game to become even stronger than it was Kim I know that he has a tight relationship with Lydia. She's eventually going to go out after Shema. So who are the people that he aligns with to ultimately get to the point that he's right there at the end? So he a really good relationship with. Natalie, I think that was like. Like a big thing that they had like this is bond I think actually cabinet is hitting when things got really bad and they may ally that Prima Freeman Russell out the door I. Think was a big changing point in the whole game because Jeff I? Think what it just eliminated Natalie or Kevin. But since they had that little white lie that Kinda came in it kind of changed the whole project of the game I thought they were going to completely wipe out. By the House I'm GonNa, just boom boom boom, knock him out. But just being able to do that lie and then getting out Russell out, and then all a week they were able to. You Know Kevin with have. In the he was able to get out on. You know. Jeff. I believe was at. And then after that, Natalie went H H in, we're able to get out. Michelle. So it was Kinda like. They big risks, but I think that risk really paid off in the end because then they were in a great spot because then they just had. It was just a Jordan, which really she has didn't win anything of that point and then head on Natalie. You had Kevin in Karen. Was the best competitor of those people. So like if off Kevin I'm like, I might jump for joy. Worst case. You. Know. I still got only worried about Jordan one eight day like my chances and I, think even convincing Natalie to pretty much throw the I H. H Wave of was huge. Do because I think you just have an opportunity to be able to lay in I haven't worried about. School. Taryn I remember the at the time. I think the fans did not like. Natalie. That she was. Not a popular figure. I don't remember why other than I feel like I remember that she would talk about how like how great she seemed like that. She was a little delusional in terms of how great game she was playing. Yes, she's one of those players that like people would make compilation in of all the lies. She's told just like not game lies just lies about herself in the house she lied and said that she was, I, think she said she was nineteen something along those lines. Eighteen. Yes. Sorry. and. And they did not like that I remember at the time. It was. How old was she? I believe she was twenty one. Okay. Having more or. Why did you pick a team? That's we don't know Riley. Are you lying and that saying you're twenty? Maybe, I don't know. Is. It was it a very big thing at the time I. Remember that she never showered and people that it was very that she she was very stinky. In the. House. Now, I know these things. I was not looking at it with quite as much. A critical is I do now. So I've seen people say that about people now and I'm not sure it's as people. I remember being a massive thing at the time. They like to put g in the front of her name. and. They. Just like she would trash talk people like. People just really didn't like it, but of course, you have to remember as well that Jeff and Jordan were like the Golden Children of. The world and she was against them. and. You know talks trash about them. So that was definitely not working in her favorite role. Did she have like a bad at it because I feel like that? I was not super into the. Internet. Culture of big brother at that time, and I. Feel like that. As a casual viewer, I feel like that. I, definitely got that she was a person, people did not care for. She didn't get a bad at per se, but she kind of wasn't very important in the. It kind of just didn't really show her that much, and she was kind of bland in the diary room and seemed like she was just always playing up everything to the cameras. So I don't necessarily think she got like a bad at it, per se in the way of like production track trashing her on the show, but just it was clear that no one really liked her. She never really was given. The forefront of a lot of the strategic content were like a lot of stuff that her and Kevin were doing. The gave the credit to Kevin. A lot of the things that she were. She would say, she would say them in a way that was so over the top that it makes you kind of feel like there's no way. This is possibly true. I feel like the epic is kind of playing into the fact that no one really believed a lot of the stuff that she was saying. Okay. Cam here's my question as I'm looking at the Wikki of the season. So the final two apart winners. Were Kevin versus Jordan in H. Part three and Kevin. Who We think of smart player, super great social player Jordan, we think of as not the. Exactly, the smartest player that ever stepped foot in the house. Has Kevin. LOSE TO JORDAN IN THE FINAL H. Only. Is. This show. This thing. That's what happened like I. Think he he everything they could possibly want. But I think he would have won at H. Wage. I, don't know data my mind based on what we've already said. He would took Natalie to the end and he will win the money I. Think he probably would have won even with. Jordan, either I. Joined to because I. Think He Knew Kevin was like plan a great game and with Natalie, the jury didn't lacquer either I think that's the point that people always forget him big brother, light jury management's huge. If people know that you're you know you're playing a game and you haven't really irritate anybody in Kevin never really had e- enemies even got out Big Jeff. Jeff really wasn't that mad that he got out with Kevin. He just never was upset about. So I think just like him playing that good of a game that he didn't have no targets on his back in. No one really had our for a bank. Go the long way in thought, he would have won the game. If you make to the end, I, think he just. Kind of a little bit short. Bad thing if he laid the exact same game again, I think he's a very good chance. You've win because that was almost all this game that part three is is is very crapshoot. Yeah. What did the jurors say? Anybody can win or lose that competition I do believe at the time that people were. People do think that Kevin would have taken Jordan over Natalie. I think he saw her as like the much more of coat. which I do think if true is kind of a wrong read, I think he had a better chance nattily than Jordan especially because they were giving America jury vote exactly. Right I. DO think he probably still wins against Jordan. But I. Think it's more of a slam dunk against Natalie. But but I'm not sure how sure that we are about that. Again, this is not my my strongest season. Do think some of the blame can be put on him for losing their final three h h just because he lost on a tiebreaker question of how many victims votes of their cast during the season and Mike. That's a pretty easy question. Dan Ryan like even just counting basically Gerrad and he was like I, think twenty, nine or something. Like he wasn't even close and that was a pretty easy. One. Get Right. I. Kind of feel like she had. There is some of the blame for him losing that challenge. Okay. All right. So Kevin's going to walk away from Big Brother Eleven. Very good reputation. He's going to go on and do a lot of. Hosting work and things. Of that nature for a couple years afterwards, I'm not sure how active he stayed in the community here. He is back up potentially hypothetically speaking in big brother, twenty, two, but Taryn. Cards on the table right now, I, think that Kevin is in an incredible position coming into B. All. Stars. I think so too, and I want to talk a little bit more about his his last minute lie plan. Because I think it's it's it's speaks to it's really his crowning moment on the show. And speaks to what he might be capable of in future sees and in some people say they just lot. I mean, it was just a lie. But the thing about this move is that it was it was kind of a proactive lie and it was a convincing one. He Convinced Jeff that he overheard Russell and. Michelle likes talking about making a final to an splitting up Jeff and Jordan. And he did this I believe before he got into trouble in anticipation that he would be in trouble in the future, and when he did get in trouble, he was able to call back on this slide to get himself out of trouble and get Russell back toward. That's the kind of proactive play that I call for all the time and people just don't do it. They wait until they're in trouble and then nobody believes them anymore. So I really like Kevin and his his mind for the game I and I agree with you I. Think he comes into the season. With a reputation for being a strong player, but not necessarily a devious one. I don't know how many people on this cast really remember the last minute lie other than maybe like Ian. Wright so. If. Ian Is Against Kevin. That would be bad news for Kevin because he incan spread all kinds of. Bad News about Kevin, but but beyond that I think he'll be fine. I. Think he comes in without too many connections But I think that he's he he he's very social. He's very able to kind of fit in where he needs to where he needs to be. Yeah. That would be the one worry. I think also edge people might look to target him because we don't really know him but I think that he is so friendly and so outgoing that I think that he is going to really sure up those connections very early on. Riley, how do you feel about Kevin Walking into that house potentially? I'm a little lower on Kevin movie going into the House as you all are I. Think one of the bigger problems for him is that a lot of the people have been speculated aren't as big a fans. Don't necessarily even know if they will have seen big brother, lead it. Because I, feel like a lot of people might not know him and Mike go off of the words of some of the bigger. More, well-known fans of the game as to WHO Kevin is. I. Don't someone like a Christmas or like a David or amber or. Someone like that would really know who he is at all, and thus if Ian is like kind of scared by him or Tyler's more scared by him, then they're probably going to take the words of them and I think she needs to kind of get in good with some of the people who are the most knowledgeable about big brother US think. There are some things in there like the. Last minute lie that he made the fact that in the second or third episode, he literally said, my word means absolutely nothing. No one should trust me in the diary room. So if people haven't seen big brother eleven recently, they'll probably not remember them. But. I hope that they would have seen big brother eleven at all the kind of be. Taken a kind of feel like he's just he's the character. He was a pretty good player, I, just think she has a couple of things that could joe a little poorly, if the cards shakeout well Cam, I feel like that people are just going to go to the house and they are going to fall in love with him and not be. Concerned with anything that happened in. Big. Brother Eleven I agree like I'm really high him because in all star seasons, they always go for the big fish I? I. Don't think he's someone that anyone's GonNa like I I s. they're gonNA, go after I. Think he's Almost Howie play last time I. think he can make a really really far because. Anyone interview did watch big brother eleven if you did or you didn't I think he just isn't someone that you're like Oh. Yeah. Like you know I'm GonNa, go after Kevin because like he's a a someone that you know is going to be loyal to you because like he doesn't really make moves unnecessarily in I. Think always reason why he made the moves. He did because he felt threatened by the other side of the House like overtaken bank. Viggo inference is a good person for Kevin along with because I think that they really don't have interests that would clash with each other and I think having someone smarter than. To be with someone like. Kevin I think would help because I don't even think Ian will have a lot of personalized even. Think. He's someone that if you ally with. The alive with Tyler I don't think Ian would line with Christmas or something like that. I, don't see it. So I think if it Kevin just Kinda just lazlo kind of figuring out who you know he's trying to align with in the long game. Think go really far. So yeah. I'm really on on Kevin and I think it'd be really well, and hopefully if you haven't watched this season, definitely. Before. Because I think you'll be surprised what he can do. Taryn do see any natural connections for Kevin in this group? I mean, I, think. We talked we talked about Nicole Anthony, and I feel like Nicole could be a good connection to for him. He was in the off beat Click. He gets along with Quirky people. Yeah. I. Think it's I think it's a good connection for him to have I, think she kind of fits along with his style of Gameplay as well they both kind of play that like. kind of hovering around bigger groups. So I feel like, that's a good connection Okay. You see anybody else. That's hypothetically in this cast that would fit well with Kevin. I think I. Think Ian is a pretty good ally for him. 'cause they're from similar errors of the show, the probably of met at some point, they kind of how they played in a similar fashion. Also, I think Bailey is another person who could do pretty well with I. Think. Bailey is the type of person who's going to look out for people more similar to her background wise and I think. Also they're just I. Think I think. Someone. I. Don't know, I think some of the older players because he is forty now. So I think he is going to be a little older than a of the other cast members my. Qaysar, you're someone who's from one of the older seasons is just going to be more closer to him in age, and I think he kind of meet a couple of those people on his side to just. Keep them going on for a while and not be like the person on the outs in his group Taryn. I'm worried about or for Kevin because when we talked about case. By case has a liberty to target the people who are in the middle, and that's the classic Kevin Campbell. Game, I'm wondering could Qaysar feel like I don't know where Kevin is pull. Let's put him on the block. And I mean it's definitely positive. Qaysar you know goes by his normal Mo, which is take out the floaters than. Kevin could be in trouble in that sense but. It's been a long time for case Sir. And I do think that he will be prone to wanting to work with old schoolers. So if they if they pull Kevin in with them, then he might not feel like Kevin is is a floating might be like having his with them even though Kevin might not actually be fully with them. I, also feel like you know Kisha or Memphis being on the season right before him. That means that they might have interacted at some point that could be a connection there. Yeah. So I think he has some options and I don't feel anybody is going to look at Kevin Campbell and be like I. Need this. Guy Gone Yeah I think that he's Maybe. Not as well connected as some of these other places, but I do think he's a very social person like I. I, remember around the time that I started rob as a podcast like he was doing like a lot of hosting work and I think he had an active youtube presence also where he was doing like going like a lot of red carpet events and doing interviews with with people. So while he may not know a ton of people on this cast, I definitely feel like he has more than a few big brother phone numbers in his address where he's able to potentially get connected to people who might be in the mix rallied. You see anybody else that is. A problem for Kevin. I think cody cal. Your is GonNa. Be One of the for people who's going to have a harder time gelling list just because cody is that stereotypical? Like Alpha, male presence and he's the only one and Tony have someone like Derek to talk him off the ledge from going off all the time and I think. Kevin. Just had a harder time. Yet. He was still able to eventually but I think he just naturally doesn't get along as much with the more like stereotypical Alpha male presences. I. Think also someone like a Christmas. He's GonNa have a little bit of a harder time connecting with, but I, don't other than that. I don't really see anyone who will have a hard time dealing with. Cam does. Kevin have any active media that he talks about the show ever. Honestly. I don't even know I haven't even really followed his social media, but I know that with Kevin. I. Think. M I think people, Kinda overweight in my personal opinion is like the pre-game alliances I think you have been talking about who's aligned with who pre-game, Lotta Times, that kind of blows up in your face because as we saw with survivor this ask season, you know what the game changers there was like pre game alliances that happen or something happened night when freedom lots of stuff that happened way back, the Poker Lance, like that's done like you have something happen, you interact with some people and then people kind of puts you with that group in. You may not even have thought about working those people like just like long-term since the game. So. So I, think the people that actually have like pre-game connections. I think those people actually should be most worried says, Cameron probably doesn't have connections I. Think he can kind of make those connections in the house. It make moves in kind like make these little white lies the kind of position themselves for the game down the road i. think that's what he should probably do gonNA actually May each moves early on rob. Let me tell you, I did a quick yoghurts of Kevin's twitter twitter account to see if he tweeted about big brother at all and very quickly I found from twenty fifteen guaranteed. DEVAN will be on all stars Hashtag baby seventeen. Wow. You Re, tweet it. Out. Yeah good. Find their from. Tara. Tara Yeah? He looks like he's tweeted like like once once a season basically for the last few. Years Wow. That's a lot of pressure to do one tweet about the big brothers. Guys this the night is this it? You nail going. When you nail? Yeah. A great track record tarrant that what's the game plan here for Kevin, when he comes in, is it get under the radar? Be Somebody that nobody's worried about or is it the more unconventional? Does he need to establish himself early on? I don't think he needs to establish himself. I think he gets in with a group like like an old school or group. And then also makes connections with the other side I. Think he's very good at that. I don't think anybody's going to be looking at him as like this big target or big personality that needs to go i. think he can slide along do playing socially playing under the radar for a good portion of the season, and then do what he did. The last time you played, which is kicking into gear and the end game. And have a strong chance to win Riley. Do you think that Kevin will walk into this house hypothetically speaking on Wednesday night wearing yellow plaid. I don't think. So I. Think he's GonNa I. Think he's change it up a bit. I think I approve. He's like eleven years older I. Think he's GonNa go for a different vibe going in this season. I think he's GonNa. Wait hold on usually blew my mind. It's been eleven years since bb eleven. Why that is that not the sign? Maybe I played on DB one one. Now, he's playing on bb to to. Be. Back in DVD's. Through. Prophecy of Kevin Campbell every eleven, years you returns. This time he's going to take all the way. Yeah. I think he has a shot at it will be. Interesting. Interesting. Do Do. We think that is still possible. Taryn that Big Jeff is going to be interviewing anybody. I don't think so. Possible. But I don't think he resurfaced from when he was making a movie on. INSTAGRAM. Post right I wonder like, could this be sort of like where before they go into the house? Is he like it like a football game? Like is he like in the tunnel like doing like it could be part of the two hour premiere. Show? Yeah maybe he's maybe hosting. would be any awkwardness with Kevin. They, they walk in. To be greeted by Big Jeff. He's like Kevin? Remember that. Lie. You told me about Russell Okay Cam anything else that you want to say about Kevin? I. Mentioned earlier. I think Kevin shouldn't change anything. He did I think sometimes when you get an all-star season, you kinda have to change up but I think him I think he played the same late late I. Think you will go far I. Think he's one of those players that he probably knows what he did in like it really is anything got to change like in some of these players like cancer, for instance, denial players got gotta change the most because. Every time they play I think they make critical areas and I think we pay sir. I'm really excited because you know he's playing play this alone. Skies Luna for him. I. I'm not really sure what he'll do. I. Think a journal is someone a cabinet should align with as well. I. Think that's another person that will be good. Number four eggs I don't think she would betray cabinet all. Okay. Is there anything that we didn't say about Kevin? I think I think probably the thing that was his biggest downfall and big brother eleven was his lack of self confidence because I think. His decisions to evict. Michelle over Jordan at the final four was a very, very bad decision for him, but I think that ultimately. Stemmed from the fact that he didn't trust that he could actually win the game against anyone of Jordan and his read on the jury was completely off and the entire season. The richest cup things he said where he was a little too nervous about a lot of things. He was a little too self deprecating at times, and I think that now that he's a bit older, he'll probably have more self-confidence i. think he'll be. Better in that regard and I think just one other thing he needs to improve on slightly I think there not much. But I, think just when he's talking game with people he. In what I saw. He lets a little too much of his own self interest out new lets people know that he's a little too self interested in the game and that he's a little too cutthroat towards the end that he kind of had fully Social Kevin and then fully strategic Kevin by the end and I think he'll be able to be a bit more fluid this time and not just seemed completely different act different points in the game. But other than that, I don't think he really has much needs to change something else. I've noticed on his twitter account is that he recently posted last year a fitness. Exactly what I was GONNA say that. that. He's really in. Much. Better shape. Than I don't really remember exactly what type of shape he was in in bb eleven just being sort of like a skinny guy, but. Yet. Taryn the he's he got ripped. The. And this is this is exactly the kind of fit. That's that's I. think good for Big Brother although again, they've they've gotten even more overtly physical, but being fit is going to be big for competition. So. Much that he should. He needs to put on ten towns to go play big. Sees to cut for the big. Brother. He's Threatening now, he just needs to keep his shirt on and I'll just look like a skinny guy like he's. He's he's shredded. He's not like he's not beefy Okay. All right. But this is. Very. Exciting for a Kevin Prospects here for big brother twenty two. All right. The Big Brother Eleven sequel. All right. Cam, where can people keep up with what you're doing? Anyone. Who doesn't know I got podcast do between two Dibs, podcast GONNA, check it out. You know for people that are of color that are intact that went to learn more about that. Check that out also involved on twitter is carry twenty, one a big. Follow me on facebook same thing campus when he one, if you WANNA talk about big brother, just tech like I'm always around pretty cool in unprofitable. Unprofitable. So definitely out there, all right Cam. Great getting to catch up today Riley. Where can people keep up with what you're doing time on instagram at Riley Howard bursch and on twitter at Riley. Underscore Bursch That's basically where you can find me. Thank you so much for having me on. It's been blast actually getting to be on August, for Archie. Okay. Great to talk to you as well. Riley and Taryn. Countdown is on. It's almost, it's almost time for the lights to come on in the Big Brother House. Ready add. A short amount of time depending on when this releases so. Very excited. It's GonNa. It's going to be interesting hopefully, hopefully, Kevin's there. We didn't just spend in our dog momentum. Hey, we did. It was worth. It was worth it. Yeah. Put put some respect on his name Kevin. Campbell? Okay. All right Taryn and where can people find more, Taryn? you can find me on twitter at Armstrong. Taryn or on twitch twitch, DOT TV slash Taryn. Armstrong. All right. Great Talk About Kevin. Campbell. Thank you all so much your. All right everybody there you have it. There's our preview of Kevin. Campbell. We're GONNA, be talking about Christmas Abbott and Amber Brazil tre in just a moment. But first me take a moment. Thank our sponsor for this episode of the PODCAST. Those our friends over at Albert Alberta Genius. That is the APP that you can use to get a hold of your personal finances. I got the chance. Chance to play around with it and Albert Genius is great because. So many of us are looking for financial advice that they wanna plan and do things the right way and Albert Genius gives you the opportunity to talk to financial experts. Any time if you're a splurge or a saver when it comes to your finances if you want to get a handle on your money, but you feel. 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We're talking about Christmas Abbott and also amber bores Zo tra- from sixteen here with this panel. Of course, back with me is Taryn Armstrong. Who Taryn I believe that unless we learned some more names hypothetically speaking. This is it. This is the last one you. Hypothetically. Devastated. Yeah. This is the sixteenth interview. Sixteenth panel, you've been on so you did the man. Yeah. You know I'm just trying to train for my big brother endurance competitions. Yes. Okay. Well, maybe. The Christmas. Abbot. Of of cross fit of podcasting. I'll break my leg and. podcast from your hospital room. That's things. Like. All right. I'm excited that we're here with us today what a treat. The Co host of the RHA BNB now into big brother, BNB season as well. Give it up for parade dot Com Mike Balloon. So happy to be here rob as the the final interview in this series, the last across the finish line, which ironically enough we're going to be talking about somebody who won a racing got across the finish line first. So it makes too much sense. Okay. All Right, Mike Happy to talk about these big brother legends here today with you and a newcomer here with us today of big welcome to. Kelsey. Roz Mandy Kelsey. How're you? How have so good? I'm so happy to be here with you guys. Chelsea. Did I do okay on your last name or did I amber wars there three? Dampers say that. No, you did. Great. I mean. It's only been mine for like seven years. So I'm still figuring it out too. But that's great I. Know You're talking about me, right? Chelsea. Tell the listeners a little bit about yourself. I am a twenty, nine year old mother of three in Houston. Texas and I love TV and talking about. TV. So I'm so happy to be here to talk about Ambien Christmas. Okay. Nice Steph here with those. What was it about Amber Christmas that really jumped off the page for you to have this opportunity to be here I. Think with both amber and Christmas, there's a lot left unsaid. Both of their games I'm really excited to see what they do with this next opportunity. And I'm really curious to see if anything changes hope I mean hopefully, it does a little bit but I feel like they both left. Making, me want to know more about what they would do differently in different scenario. That's a great point. I, think that you know listen with any cast of returning reality players. There are going to be those that you sort of throw hands up like. Do, you really need this person, but I think it's also interesting to talk about them because those people tend to perform at least pretty well on each all star season. So it's good both cover them to Kelsey point, and also as you're going to be talking about them for a while, I have no past experience dealing with an amber being cast on a reality, Star season that you say, why is this person even here and then they go on to win the game I don't even. Question Aurea on the Internet. All right. But yeah. I. Point. These are two people go on the surface again, you'd be like, okay, the. They don't even make the these stratosphere. Let alone space to become an all star, but I do think from a story perspective. Both of these people have had an experience in big brother, wear something was out of their control and fundamentally changed out of the way they were perceived or the way that they played the game, and so from that perspective I think these are two of the biggest wildcards. Hypothetically, it could be coming into this season because their games were hampered either physically or I guess romantically by circumstances outside of their control. Yeah. I. Love, I love how we're pushing these two together. I. Love It really trying to strain define the narrow. But okay. Here's where they are similar Taryn. So two of these people are considered to be maybe alternates maybe not the first choices of production one or both. Maybe in the people has, do you have any latest information in terms of what the tea leaves are saying about the likelihood of these two women being in the season? So, more most people seem to have Christmas on their list. Ambers name. Is L. Christmas loss. Yes. It mostly comes from brand to feel very confident about it. So if anything I think doing this podcast and then it being wrong is a great way to just be like look how wrong Brent is. Blood. But. It does kind of you know I haven't seen a lot of things disqualifying amber from it. So. I. Think that while I think Christmas seems more likely at the moment. It would not surprise me if we saw amber on the season and a certain holiday was missing yeah, and Mike I think that people would notice if the super active person amber, Bozo tra-. I think that people would notice if she happened to be on social media these last couple of weeks. Yeah. Because I am a crazy person I did go to at Ambra born Tra and go through her tweets to see if there were any sort of reaction to anything and I believe the last thing she tweeted about was Brett trying to Mac on her at the Wrap Party for season twenty, and apparently him giving her the silent treatment. Treatment there, but then trying to get with her on social media which she firmly rebuffed him on when the especially her three here. This is like a whole new character for her Kelsey of Yeah. I. Saw that too, and I will say though on I went through her twitter and on eight thirty eighteen, she said just because I don't talk about big brother doesn't mean. I'm not obsessed interesting though there could be a secret. Intense, big brother awareness. That is not twitter public. Okay. All right. Well, let's start with Christmas and talk about her returned Kelsey. Talk me through. Put on your big brother producer hat. Tell me why. Why Christmas? Why Now? Well. It's like what I said earlier I. Think Thinking there. I wonder if they're if they're thinking, you know what would this person do differently if she had to working eat. Maybe. They were really hoping for someone that was, but she she didn't break her personality on Day One. Why Guy? Great. Personality in. You know the season. Wait till. You see what she can do. Rob I've I've I've a small theory here that perhaps when she broke her foot on big brother nineteen, there was some conflict about legality who's responsible yen. Mayhem said maybe they said. Don't sue US and that's the only thing. We're. Going back to in big Sur survivor Africa. And I remember when when the infamous Lindsey piercing questions right and they sort of like these ended up screwing over Lexin big Tom on one of the questions and I believe at the time by part of the settlement was like. All right. Well, we'll just make you guys whole by we'll give you one hundred thousand dollars, and then when we do all stars, you definitely get to come back. So maybe that's the only thing that makes sense i. mean listen the the amount of making sense when it comes to Christmas stopped when she broke her foot and they kept her in the game and they put, they sent around to the hospital and they kept her in the game and she made her scooting her way boots, Putin, her way all the way to the final rob I think you're the person who said in the very first week that chaotic first week it'd be. Like, if Christmas survives put her in finale night right now, nobody is getting rid of Christmas and that's exactly what happened. So I'm not sure maybe they felt like what I will say about this hypothetical is that it does span a surprising amount of seasons. I'm pretty sure state of BB nine, fifteen like every season from BBC on is represented. So maybe they felt like they needed somebody from nineteen. If there's an idea that Josh was in the mix at some point, a dynamic they wanted to see considering how close they were. I'm not entirely sure who also commiserating that was going on. You know with her in production behind the scenes. If she's good with them behind the scenes, they feel like she's someone they could go to an image. Yeah. Kelsey do do. They also look at how many followers on social media I think that that's? More. So than survivor I feel like that big brother is very thirsty for the. Six hundred eighty thousand instagram followers can't be wrong. Can they? That can be relevant rating doing guys. Think about it. You make a good point though is that like there isn't i. if I'm a producer on big brother, there's nothing about Christmas specifically that I'm thinking. I, need you for all stars. You are the top of my list like I. Don't think she would be necessarily. But it could be the. Your broker fit on our watch. So I do think that they wanted her on the season initially to be like a physically beastly woman on the show and big brother nineteen was the start of more physical competitions being introduced to the game. And I mean look at the people, other people on this list Janelle Kisha both were very good. Danielle Dana Donna all all of lots of very. Like, physically. Good, competitors. In the past I think that they really wanted Christmas Abbott to be this beastly presence on the season, and then she broke her foot in was the exact opposite, and I think they might want her back so that she can now again be the Beasley presents on the season that they wanted her to be. Because when you look journal, Danielle. Kisha, like those are very popular players. People love their Beasley, female competitors, their female blondes there. Yes and I genuinely think that production probably feels like the only reason they didn't like Christmas is because she couldn't calm now she can. They're gonNA love her. Spoke Christmas, he's. Truly maybe her an amber might have more connection and that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, let's talk about a BB nineteen's. Christmas. Because it was the season that is not loved by people. Maybe people turned it off and they don't know so much about Christmas. So let let's talk about Christmas the player, and of course, very early on in this game. She is going to end up hurting her foot. Mike. Do you remember the circumstances around What happened to her well? Even before that night one? When in the infamous, you know take this temptation while you sit in a giant topiary testicle and take money to have Paul enter the game. Hope Gary Mean. The shrubbery. But. My enslave. Beyond their sometimes, but Kevin takes the money terrence onto my secret Kevin Takes Money Paul Answers the game we get this weird sequence of events. Remember what the friendship bracelets and then the endurance competition and it ends up with Christmas Queen Jillian and Cam ran on the block facing Eviction Day One addiction, and they're given a choice as to okay. Do you you can either face off in? In a physical competition or you can have it go to a vote and I, remember a Christmas surprise. A lot of people when as said, I think a lot of people perceive her as being just like a physical specimen. She surprisingly goes to vote instead of the physical competition. Little. Did she know that would be the last fiscal competition? She pretty much competes in the entire season. But yeah, she she ends up surviving the bow I. think she got like the least amount of votes out of all the moves, a pretty scattershot vote but. Josh in Jason Voted for her, that's a which was also a bit scattershot because I think. Then if I remember correctly like wind Josh starts really coming into his feelings almost immediately like Christmas as the one who comes to comfort him and so that's a relationship that as much as this season really is a story about Christmas and Paul, which will certainly get to Christmas and Josh was also A. A very strong segment of that triangle that helped make those regards the together. It was Christmas, Christmas and Josh for a long time. Until the one thing that makes us switch alliances, which is outback steakhouse She had such a commitment to Josh, until Paul gave her the stake out backstage of and then I think that's that's the moment that she said, you know what I'm for Paul Really. Kelsey, could you talk about the incident though that? Christmas is one good leg out of the game. Yes. So as she was describing the Dr she and Jason Get up early in. Seoul not. Proper name. Yes. Who Whistle Nut Jason. She said dancing. But really what it was was her on his back while he was running around the back yard in flip flops and he slipped and lands on her foot. And it broke pretty severely. Ten places or something ten broken bones, dislocated reconstructed ligaments, and of donor bone was a part of this whole situation. So just. But the situation behind us I'm trying to remember Taryn do you remember did this come before or after she was nominated by cody? I, believe it was after. Yes. So that that's The reason why she's dominated is that cody had wants I head of household, and he had this big plan i. e nominates what Meghan? and Alex or no meg. And I. Yeah and then Meghan Walks, and then he nominated Alex and then he throws the veto to Alex at the this disastrous I rain and then he's he's then he's going to nominate Paul and Paul uses the pendant of protection. And saves himself, and I think he was with couples at that point and the everyone thought. Okay, like nominate. Ramsey or something dislike throw somebody up and he ends up really wanted to because he wants to run for Paul. He goes for the person who he believes right now is the person who's closest to Paul, which is Christmas and that sort of impromptu decision much like cody of he was very reticent in doing. So is going to be one of the reasons why Christmas is not second person visited from this season. Yeah. It does earned her some goodwill tearing with America where they vote for her to receive the second temptation. The ring of replacement would be something that would go. Yes. Yes. Yeah and and honestly she was she was a pretty popular. Figure coming in people were expecting good things from her. And even in the early portion of the season, people liked her. They that she was working with Paul, who is still a fan favorite at this point and she was doing well socially. She was paying attention to Josh when everybody else was excluding him. She saw that as an opportunity and used it to get close to him. She was being targeted by cody. Who was this like Alpha? Bro that nobody liked that the time. And so. It was. It was upside down worlds. The upside down was going on in the first week of big brother. Nineteen. Not Be Eleven. Stranger things joke my. Yeah. Exactly. That's when everyone started shaving their heads and sort of bleeding from the nose when Jesse got eliminated, right? So Christmas is. So Christmas the plan is like the couples are going to stick together here and get rid of Christmas, but Paul is able to use that that very limited capital he had in the very beginning to like cobbled together, a group of people to somehow keep Christmas and instill in my opinion. One of the most chaotic week ones in big brother history, and that's the last time Christmas was nominated until she's forced to at the final bray. Okay. All right. So Kelsey, win Christmas ends up breaking her leg. There's a lot of talk in the BBC streets about what's going to happen is she going to be medically evacuated from the game is she is she out? The doctors coming to the house. Constantly to do physical therapy, she's going to end up having to go to the hospital for a procedure and. Very, very controversial at the time she ends up. Even at the time. Probably. Yes. She even ends up voting on fiction night of via telephone from a hospital room. Yes. I. Still kind of confused as to how they let that Halford like how voting from places that are not in the Big Brother House. It's it's still confusing to me, but yes, she voted out Ramsey's i. believe from her hospital bed. I, think they call it the doped up. Topaz where like they didn't people think she didn't really know that she was supposed to like. She almost pull the metal piece in that regard that she didn't know she was voting out rams, but she was so drugged up due to the surgery that she just voted for him. Anyway. yeah. Okay. So tarrant big brother nineteen is just such a mess to talk about. Some of the highlights of the of the Christmas game. I remember she's obviously she has. She's part of the pair with Josh. That's one of the spokes of that. Paul. has these three different payers that he's working with in the house. Ultimately, that's going to be the one that Paul picks to go to the end with. Does. She do a lot in terms of the middle portion of the game. You know, especially in the beginning of the game, she was definitely doing a decent amount she was involved in a lot of what Paul was doing but. Really. Paul Paul directed a lot of the action. Now, I do think there's a big difference between. Josh was doing what Christmas was doing. I. Think that a lot of people we like to criticize Christmas because by the end of the game she was playing almost entirely four Paul. And Not for herself. But she was capable of playing. I think that I think that if you go into season twenty, two thinking, oh Christmas, she's useless. She can't do anything. You're probably going to be underestimating her social ability certainly competitive ability without a broken leg but. She was definitely. A part of keeping. Keeping the V soldiers in line I. Guess you might say. As Paul. Orchestrated the season, she would whip the votes, for Paul. Yeah. She would. She would whip them with words. I. Think what a lot of people remember about Christmas, and perhaps one of the reasons why people turned on Christmas is that she was very agro at points and I don't know again, it's really tough to judge Christmas game because of. It's just a game that you don't know what kind of person somebody is in real life. Well, even like the weird thing was her real life seeped into the game. You know like between the physical trauma breaking her leg and the emotional trauma, the fact that she had broken off engagement and was celebrating honestly of a bit of a depressing way, a broken engagement that she had before going into the house, you should get a replacement. She s she was pulled to shed a donor. Husband. No, but she was. Supposed to get married I, think in August and she ended up breaking off the engagement earlier that year and I remember around that time was when she was just getting very emotional like crying at night in very angry and yelling people during the day, and that's also around the time when she admitted that her heart was fluttering when she would be hanging out with Paul. Yeah. Kelsey. star-crossed Romance Christmas and Paul and completely one sided. Right? Completely one sided and I I feel like outback steakhouse really is pretty powerful. No I do know rules. Outback. Steakhouse. No she she she had feelings for Paul I. I remember that. Are we allowed to talk about the end? Of the nineteen nobody's like you'll even out the good part. I had Written down about how whenever she. Didn't regret keeping Paul? Oh. My goodness, I'm sorry. I. Read The wrong part of my well, let me play a clip of Christmas talking about Paul to set this up. This is coming from September fifteenth 2017. Birth. Not only in a position where my heart gets. It's Getting away from me. My. Heart. Is Program. Are held. Town right. Upside down. Oh my God at least only one body part was broken. Not Her art, just her foot. No Sad, that clip, we're having another clip that that's called in a files. Paul. Doesn't love Christmas. Let me just play. Okay same. Girl, ever you have. About, as many as I have been. Crazy. Yeah. It didn't seem like he was in love with. Definitely, the disparity between the two. Yeah and I also remember when you were at the red carpet for nineteen that you definitely asked the Paul Question. She definitely was You know we were in the house. There's nothing there was a fun time I mean giving her. Exploits outside of the House. It's very clear that she did indeed move on. But I i. do think there was some emotional baggage from outside the game that was attached to her psychology that I think also may have influenced particularly the emotionality she brought to a lot of the confrontation she had in the House and having feelings for Paul is something that I think did affect her game in the end and I'm hoping that that's something that changes this time around She clearly was playing a lot for. For his interests and what was best for him and what he said was best and didn't really seem to question much of his orders and she was a great ally for him because she was able to understand all of his plans and execute them without caring much about her own self interest I'm hoping in this next season. If she is on that, she is able to strategize and think about how she could win instead of just help the team gets the because she she was team oriented she. Young I, do remember him because I got interview her as well. The day after she was very much like, no, we all one because the team got to the end team friendship got to the end and to your point, Kelsey comparing her and Josh their relationship deviated a bit towards the end because Josh was the one who had that infamous. Moments where he's lying back to this podcast Mike, put his arms behind his head. And Mike I believe you. You made that pose to illustrate something else recently. Listen to our toughest nails coverage if you want to find out about that. But I do remember that Josh near the end was really coming onto Paul's game and he tried to tell Christmas. This is what Paul's doing and Christmas was very adamant to him specifically. No, we need to trust Paul. It's fine. He'll let us get to the end now granted Josh was able to prevail over Paul. But when it came to, you, know him being the Cassandra as it were bringing. You know the other one. Yeah, or big brother Canada Four. If you will bringing the, you know the words of truth to someone. She was vehemently in denial that that was actually happening. Really Shifted Return. Is Christmas going to have trouble this season with tyler and cody both being those both people infamous for hands in love with them being one-sided God this is going to be a ironically that we're talking about Amber Christmas. It's almost like they're actually like the mirror image of each other. We're ambush problem was that somebody? Fell in love with her and really and ended up infringing on her game, and Christmas is the opposite. She's the beast mode cowboy. In this relationship, it didn't hurt Paul Help Paul, but both are part of a one sided. Of affectionate relationship with somebody. In the mirror images in the way that we didn't really get to see ambers potential socially because of Caleb and we didn't really get to see Christmases potential physical because of the foot took us twenty, five minutes. We did figure it out. We got it we. Her yeah. I'm not sure necessarily how. Illuminating big. Brother nineteen is to look at in terms of trying to figure out how Christmas is going to play big brother twenty two without without Paul. Here, the thing about her being pro team does that really speak to that. We should be expecting her to look trying to make a big alliance. Then I, don't even know because like I don't know who Christmas is outside of the House and how she sees her game does she still feel like she was the true winner or has there been a part of her that has been like you know what ball bailed on me after the show. AM. I going into the season thinking I need to play differently. I, don't WanNa fall into that trap. I. Do WanNa play for myself this time. I really do think we could see an entirely different person. Do you think so Christmas had a child. In the years since I believe his name is honor Dame it. He took the name I was GonNa have. So I had to settle for Ayrshire for mine personally. Or was it loyal or honor? I wasn't sure if it is important. Atticus I believe. I think we're getting a sense of who she is. The thing is like royal number because you could say on one hand like. She had something if someone to play for right like I, want the money. So I can help my child. But at the same time, there's also a duality of well, I know if I'm playing that if I'm doing this for my kid I, WanNa show my kid who I am. There's a bunch of reality TV parents who come on and say, I want to play in a way that like my kids and watch me and respect the granted loyal is like two years old at this point. But I think given the choice of name that you had a child as well. I. Think that shows exactly what she's going to do once more, which is I would not be. surprised. If she walks in, find another writer, die and plans to stick with them today question-mark whenever the seasons will you know what I mentioned Tyler is Christmas Tyler's Casey. This season because I feel like that's a very casey where to play. She's going to be physical. She's GonNa win competitions going to be super super loyal Michigan keep a secret alliance secret I feel like if I'm tyler I'm looking at Christmas and I'm GonNa. Go. Chris can also look at Tyler Tyler is somebody who I think one of the big critiques of his game was he went to the end with you know two people that he was fiercely loyal to that. Maybe he didn't need to be fiercely loyal to and Christmas did a very similar thing here. So it does seem to like even though they played very different games they seem to. Have the same values when it comes to playing the game that they could see eye to eye and it does seem that Christmas is also probably looking. She's not really looking for someone to like do her dirty worker cut throats I. think she's looking for someone that she can genuinely invest in as a teammate and I can see a world where Christmas Josh Tyler Casey. Work Together, because aren't Josh and Casey close. So this is the thing we that once upon a time that we did believe that Josh. Speaking part of this season as was KC. But we both off, we we do not believe currently at the same button. You bring up a good point though we could the groundwork had been laid for that. I think so I think the Christmas Josh still have a good relationship I was looking at. And he commented on a lot of her picture saying love, you. Brought up on one of our earlier previews Taryn A. Christmas is there and expecting like, Oh, great. I got Tyler and Casey and Josh, and then they both get into the house and they're not there. Oh, my God, what happened and that's what we should still just work together, the two of us. But keep it a secret. Numbers. I can really easily see that happening. Also I have Chris Instagram Open, and this is good news for any of the other guests. Christmas has recently undergone a procedure. That is She says, Hey, I don't stink anymore. seriously. I always awesome procedure done a few weeks ago at Dr Cynthia zeal called Mirror Dry. If you haven't heard mirror dry if this is not an ad from Robbins podcast. If you haven't heard mirror dry is the only FDA. Cleared Treatments. Dramatically, reduce underarm sweat in as little as one appointment even helps reduce my underarm hair growth. Last won't Stink Christmas happening. You could check out the pictures of it on her instagram. Remember it when when, when, when people are complaining about her, not showering just remember she didn't need to doesn't think she. She one up sits in that regard. That's a good question. If she is now of sound mind which you may not have been first season, do you think if and when she gets nominated? She's GonNa, plug the crap out of all her merch and her buffs and everything like that. Yeah. Yeah I forgot about the book to read the book reviews this. She have a lot of merch. She does if you over website Christmas Abbott Dot Com I believe she has a bunch of merge. I. Think. She had supplements that she sells I mean look. She essentially paved the way for festive fitness to promptly crash I read TRIMs CBD Code Pure ex-miss. Wow this walks that fussy could run. Or, festival was given the runway to run and then promptly tripped over his own face. I think that you know it's interesting. She is someone who I again, I think to point like Chit a lot of accolades to her life. She was Walter knitting it up like she was the first woman to serve on a NASCAR PIT crew. She did tours in Iraq is a contractor, and that's another reason why I think a lot of people were pumped to see Christmas general and all that potential Kinda went out the window when she ends up breaking her foot in the first. First Week I think one of the big sort of unanswered questions that I know. Taryn. Review it. In the end of the season was you know what chance did Christmas stand of winning in the end I think especially with what someone calling upset of Josh beating Paul. It begs the question as to whether someone like Christmas who maybe people would ever guarded as as like three out of three when it came to actual game play by the end, would have said a chance at winning. I mean, I, do agree I think Christmas I think Christmas, would it be Josh? Towns and You probably would have beaten all to So she was probably sitting in a position where she beats either the people next door But the problem was that she did not even try to take it as she was just like I know I'm not GonNa Campaign I, I couldn't take it away from you guys and if she had tried, I think she could have convinced. Josh to take her. And then she would have won the game I think it was. No again, we talk about cody taking Derek, not taking Victoria but. But Christmas. Literally, it was sitting right in front of her and she was like, no, thanks, I'm good. Yeah, I remember Robbie you relate the story. Right? 'cause you were again there on set and I remember everyone was livid that Josh took Paul because they thought that Christmas at that point was like the layup of all lay ups Yeah. Okay. Well, she's back now and I guess we should talk about a more of her prospects in big brother. All Stars, Kelsey, could she see herself as the Paul Coming back at? All right look. I did my time I went to the end got close now. This is my time to shine on the Paul now. I. Hope Not I. Hope she doesn't come in and try to play like Paul. I. Don't think people would respect that very much I. Don't think people look at Christmas someone they want to be. Updated by and so hopefully, she does though take a little bit of a lesson from Paul and make more connections this time because I felt that last time, she really let him do the heavy lifting on. Allies and WHO's GonNa vote with WHO? So hopefully, this time she does make more connections maybe with some of the other moms in the past. But I. do hope that she. Works, her social game a little bit more. Turn. Do you recall from Big Brother Nineteen? You know we're talking about Paul. We're talking about John Did she have a lot of other relationships with the women of Big Brother Nineteen The women. She I mean, she was initially working with Dominique. And Elena. She, kind of you know drifted away from those relationships as as Paul, essentially coulter away from them. She certainly, you know she worked with Alex, but Alex was more. So with Jason later on. So I mean she had those connections, but but Paul really segmented the the groups out into different portions, and she was the one that was with Josh But she was working with the other women in the in the overall collective called Jesse to remember her having actually a pretty big heart to heart with Jess at some point early on right after cody was voted out and just like on the outs I. Remember her and Christmas had like a really long conversation which seemed to help Jessica and also helped Christmas for that brief portion of time. Chelsea. Do you see any other allies here? That are in this hypothetical cast for Christmas? Well. Now, to find out the people I was planning on working with aren't probably hypothetically going to be around. We're unchartered waters I mean. Josh Casey Mu- May walk there has casey been posting on social media she'd been on the has. I believe she has opposing store saying happy Sunday Happy Mondays. Been Weird I mean those are one could easily plug-in. I? Think. I would say why there's a non zero chance that her and Danny D'Amato could have like a mean girls ask relationship. Because again, Christmas Christmas has this weird like killing them with kindness mentality, which again is very odd considering the way that she behaved a certain people in the house. But I do feel like she likes to be a bit shady and a bit snippy about certain people and Dane Denardo loves to do that as well. So I could see the two of them like much like Britney and Monet th and big brother twelve like talking with one another talking crap about the others with one another. I would like to see that I hope that she does. WanNa work with some of the other women. I'd like to see that happen. But I'm not optimistic necessarily I. think that she may WanNa. Do she did last time and try to team up with some of the other big competition guys. I'm curious to see how she interacts with Journal. Again as is very physical blonde. Is, is GonNa be intimidated that like is Christmas GonNa. Come from my crown of leg physical competition beast Like I could see or they could. They could be like, no, we're both because I think genetic. Dan, Danielle will get along despite both being physical copies but but I don't know of genetic has the same respect for Christmas where she would want to let Christmas. Have that sort of a title I? Think? Christmas, is too argumentative and I like Janelle Kisha and Christmas are sort of all cut from a similar cloth that they're going to speak up about something and I don't necessarily see an alliance working with some combination of that. You know, I, feel like if you would truly be like covering two point, Oh, oh, my God, it'd be credible it also being incredibly. Incredibly, chaotic, even more chaotic than Kishan and Lebron April. But it'd be a very similar dynamic where it's like three strong personalities. All want to be the voice that others listen to, and it would just be like butting up against each other. The only other person I threw out there was Kevin Campbell because Christmas. Loved she loved being with misfits. That's what she likes. They should love being with Kevin's. Now, that's another one to. Hopefully. Sniffer but or anything. But she did talk about preseason even about like, Oh, I love being with misfits offbeat person. That's sort of what she prided her relationship with. The lines with Josh. I'm Paul over and Kevin Kevin was in offbeat quick. Yes. All right. Tearing, I do think the upside here for Christmas. Is Can imagine that anybody who's coming in targeting Christmas I. We talk about like Oh. This person has beef with this person. Nobody in this hypothetical cast, we you wouldn't think has like some ax to grind with. Christmas, right? I don't think so I don't think anybody's. For Christmas. But I do think that she could easily be collateral damage. She's an easy person to throw up on the block without much pushback once she's on the block, you look at her and you might be like, maybe we should take route. She might also get mad that she's on the block and that might make you want to take her out. So I well I don't think anybody's coming for her I. Don't think she's super-safe either. Kelsey. I think that if she can survive the early game here, where if she because of a lack of connections ends up being targeted, I, do suspect that she's going to be around for a while. I. Agree I. Don't think there's any reason to take her out super early I. Think there's way bigger targets on the table and people that that people are GonNa WanNa, get out faster than Christmas, so I could see her making it. To jury. Mike, do you see any problems here for Christmas? Yeah, I mean I'll be able to say I think Christmas is pre Jerry here, pre jury. I don't know I'm just seeing it like I know that you talked about the Josh and the KC stuff, but outside of that. She really at least from my perspective been that she's more connected to her underarm hair than she is to a lot of other people in this cast and I could see a situation Tara's and bring him this up a bunch in during the beginning of big brother seven when essentially two warring factions got together temporarily to be like, let's give her the people that don't really work with us. You know, let's get rid of take out the neutral parties and I could see I, don't know if. If is Christmas is on the block who's stumping for her. You know who's going to say, let's keep Christmas I'm very much afraid that due to her not being well connected on also even though she didn't obviously show her physical prowess in her season, definitely a presence that could scare people into future competitions that some throws up on the block early on because they don't WanNa get people mad and get blood on their hands, and then people look at her and say, well, she could be a danger later on. Let's just let her go right now because no skin off our back of Christmas goes here I also think. Even. If she did make Debrecen I, find it hard to see a scenario where she is a well respected player She has a you know reputation matters in all star seasons and she comes in with a reputation deficit. She comes in with negative reputation. Oh, she needs to work very hard to win over a jury I think in that means playing a very solid game winning a lot of people over. I think she has an uphill battle to climb to fight. I've said that before I still don't know how to say it right but I think it's GonNa be a rough one for her and I could see her yeah like going out in that early pre juries action. I'll make one prediction here that I. Think you touched on this in the Enzo? Preview? I bet she's in brigade two point. Oh. Yeah. She she's going to be. A key member there with white. Suave. I mean. It ends also of an offbeat personality. So I I think he's also one of the older houseguests I. Think. You know it's it's an older skewing cast, but she is in her late thirties. Yes. I. Could see her like gravitating towards him and she's GonNa, Love Cody, and Memphis. I. Think how she handles the very beginning is going to really matter how she does in the first couple of competitions how she does in the social parts of the game and making alliances. Matter to how her game is going to end. Okay. Any other thoughts on Christmas before we shift gears the amber? No matter how long she lasts again, if anything I think Christmas is now going to go out on the terms that she wanted and from a personal perspective. I would be happy about that I think she left like happy but I think also feeling like she did not give the full throttle this, and now the tree can fully go up the stockings were hung. Hung into nineteen. But now we can decorate the whole place. You know the idea that Christmas didn't get some sort of a fair shake because her leg up broken. If anything she benefited from her leg being broken in the game, she got to the final three. If she would've tried to campaign to win, then she could have, she could have won the season. That to me that, oh, she broke her leg and it wasn't like, and then she got voted out the week after that. This is not like a medical evacuation. Played. The whole season. Yeah, she should regulate again. Yeah, the the. See. That's what they tell you. When you go into play a big break, a leg, you'll get to the final three. A. Paul was unluckier for her than breaking a leg that season I think. Yeah. Wasn't a broken leg. It was a broken heart that caused this game. Or Chris. All right. Let's talk about amber amber. Boat bores Oh tre. She's back. I'll be honest. It did take a minute when he heard amber. Who? which we're. Yes. But Amber she did appear as a guest on a podcast during big brother sixteen. We had a nice chat. During that season after she was out. But but here she is Mike. Could you tell a little bit about amber Brazil tra- for anybody? Who is a newer big brother, Fan? Yes. So amador's though try is big brother sixteen. She sort of came in and she was she's a model. But you sort of models herself as sort of like a tomboy girly girl, her intro package hat her like rock climbing and. Will say one of her I think underrated I mean there's a lot that is not much talked about amber outside of one particular thing, but she won a a good amount of competitions. This is the season that instituted battle of the Blah. She was nominated three weeks in a row and two of those weeks. She won the battle the block in the third week, she was back doored. She was part of a major lines in the beginning which earned her the favor of one Caleb Reynolds known as these cowboy, it earned a lot of. Of favor from him to the point where CBS was trolling him with promos. For New TV, shows called Stalker underneath shots of him, glaring at her basically the the T. L. D. R.. Is that she he vehemently pursued her. She was politely declining his offers end eventually became too much of a thing where calebs alliance essentially said like look this is causing too much of a stir. We need to get rid of amber here. She's also a physical threat. So she ends up getting cut right before jury Mike, he ate a pickle for her. I just I just feel like, let's let's not act like, Caleb. Didn't do everything. He could the poor guy, he ate a pickle. As, Zach we'll tell later on nearly threw up all over the kitchen after eating that pickle to get a date. So I re watched in preparation for this a video called like Caleb and amber stocker man's on Youtube, and it is honestly like my eyes are perennially winced from all. The cringing did over the course of nearly an hour because my God Caleb Reynolds is. Terrible. Terrible. In the first half of Big Brother Sixteen. It is. I feel absolutely say what you want to about whether amber from her game metal or personality deserves to be on all stars, but I feel absolutely terrible for her because Caleb was so so awful to her over the course of this. Chelsea of these two women that we're talking about that there is one of them that had circumstances that were beyond their control that prevented them from going far ends of the game and it was not Christmas it was amber. I know I feel so bad for her whenever? I'm watching BB sixteen whenever I was watching it for this I same with the same same as you Mike. I was just cringing I'm like what dating book did. Caleb read to think that this is the way to like woo this woman, why are we eating pickles and like? Making her feel guilty about. Now. If I'm not your date that I'm GonNa. Be Mad. If yeah, we're not your date to the finale. T would do things. Well, first off, one of the major flirtation that we saw is him talking h room and saying, I, feel like you stare at me a lot and I stare at you a lot. So we should get together. He would promptly talk about like you said like he makes these suppositions like Oh, my parents, your parents would really like me or I can't wait for you to be my date to the finale, and essentially he was one of those guys where be felt well, a woman is nice to me therefore, she must want to be with me and so. Also, if I'm nice to her, she should have to date me lake. Yeah. I. Ate the pickle. What you owe me now one of the big things. So amber was I now made when I think of his Nicole and Derek. Work Oh is and Nicole. or No yeah. Windham Cole was nominated. Amber amber heard one h nominated Nicole, the previous week, and so Nicole return the favor and Caleb said. All right. If I, WANNA to protect amber. Derek you. Nominate me and I'm going to throw the battle of the block on never do this again in this season whatsoever, it goes against all my morals but I will throw the battle of the block and did not ask for that. She even told him Him Don't do that. Not only does he do it? He proceeds to then guilty about it being like you're not even appreciative of the fact that I through the battle of the block for you despite never asking me to and sabotaging all for other relationships close to cody. They were really good friends and back rubs and the hanging out and talking, and every time caleb walk through is giving them glares and really sabotaging her social game, Mike. This is probably a difficult question to answer. But do you feel like that would would big brother handle this whole situation a lot differently in twenty twenty, then the way that they handled it in two thousand fourteen. It's a good question. I feel like had amber like gone to the dining room and like express them that she felt uncomfortable because, i. think at least again, the way that she was personifying again, this might be colored by the way production talking with her intriguing with her but more. So seemed like a nuisance to her out. Right? Like you are disturbing me I feel very uncomfortable. It's less at least from. From the way, we're seeing it and this could be completely different. I do not want to invalidate ambush feelings. It seemed like less avai survivor thirty, nine situation. For example, where somebody's saying like I feel distinctly uncomfortable from the way he is treating me if that was the case then nowadays. Yes, I totally agree I think Caleb would have at least a warning if not outright removed from the house but. But unfortunately, amber has to sort of Grin and bear it, and she is. Again, I will say as polite as possible a out. But unfortunately, because Caleb is part of the detonators which sprung out of the bomb squad that she was brought in to basically now, all the detonators are also like shit talking amber be like, oh, so fake, she's leading him along when really again, she just like very calmly. Calmly rebuffed his advances and she's painted not only the villain, but they decide, okay. We're going to get rid of her here. I. Think I think part of part of Amber Story to that I think does get lost. Is that a lot of people remember four, Caleb Caleb being the reason she left But really I think the true story of amber is that she started to catch onto Derek. She's of it Donnie was going to her Britney had just left and Britney was had been starting to catch on to Derek and she was trying to tell people they got her out before she could really get anywhere. But Andrew was hearing all of this stuff and starting to question the structure of the House. and. That's the real reason why they tried to get her out. They just used the Caleb stuff to make it happen. And so like I I think it's I. Think we should remember that like amber wasn't just like that victim of circumstance like she. She had her head in the game and she was somebody who? was was able to pay attention able to catch onto things in the house and I believe she was trying to connect with Christine, and who else there was another one more Victoria. Like she used specifically. When she was up one of the reasons why shouldn't have going actually was she approached like, Nicole and Christine and Victoria was like listen I don't care at this point like if I stay I'm going after the guys and it's interesting because Christine, remember had that information. She's like great. I'M GONNA take this to the rest of the detonators and we can use this information to get. We can say, let's keep her and get rid of Caleb and then the guys look at it and say, oh no, we'll take that information but. But will use it as the reason to get rid of amber. Say It's a terrence point. You know it seemed like she. She in general I think was very even though she was only with the guy is she was very gung Ho about the woman. She was part of the ill-fated El. Cuatro early on like she was I. Remember in that Premiere Episode, she was of the people really banging the drum of like I would like to see the women do well here as you talked about during the Nicole Friends Podcast I. I think unfortunately, it was just a group of women who in general were not able to work together in that particular season. But I could see a perspective wherever amber has those same proclivities based on the people that she's playing with. She could find success with people who have similar mind frames that didn't happen have to happen to have that in BB sixteen. So this is very interesting in terms of like the her narrative in Big Brother Sixteen Taryn when we are introduced if we are introduced to amber on Wednesday night, we're. We're going to get a package about, Hey, I'm amber board. Zo. Tra and I'm from big brother. Sixteen. And that what is she going to be saying? Are we going to get and and I was the only person in the house that was onto officer Derek Lavazza, and that's why I got voted out of the house or will we see a package about be smoke cowboy, which is probably going to be unflattering to Caleb Reynolds and in a way I, think also not super flattering to the shows that have repeatedly cast him. Exactly well I. think that I think it's almost everybody's interest to talk about her game from this season. I? Don't think big brother wants to remind us that that they let this happen. Yeah. Exactly and amber has never to my knowledge really come out and spoken about it too much like I don't think it's something that she really wants to spend a lot of time talking about her like have that be her identity. So I would I would imagine and again I, don't know amber that well, but it seems to me like she probably wants to focus on the game part of her experience and say, this was my game this why I went out I was catching onto these people at wanted to work with the women didn't work out for me. I. Think that's probably her prep preferred story and I think that production. Where they usually would like the more dramatic thing might actually go along with it in this case because it also looks bad for that. Okay. Did Caleb make a comment recently about the amber being potentially on this season. I think he did it. He didn't an instagram live I, feel like our do. Yes Oh. Yes. From the former beauty tribe. The tribe reunion. Got Heatstroke. He tried to get hot and heavy with somebody in the big brother. House. And he was sight to see amber get a second chance, right? Yeah. I mean I think that was definitely I. Think David did see Clipper know was questioned like why are these all stars? You know again, it's rich coming out of the mouth of that specific time. Changer. These cowboy posted changed the game in terms of medical protocols certainly But I think that you know I think David was the one that he mainly spoke out against, but I would not be surprised if amber was part of their concern that like he felt like. David being glued in the cast. Wanted, they have a first boot in there, but I remember him it. You know he did not have good feelings framework to play where he kicked off her bunny slippers dramatically even though he did keep them and she didn't leave with them Cody's here from big. Brother. Sixteen. Kelsey. Can you tell me about the relationship between cody and amber and big brother? Sixteen. Well, they had a good relationship. But yes. Speaking they had a good relationship, they got along really well I think that they would have been more aligned. Had it not been for Caleb in the house and even whenever she was leaving, she did say that she did feel betrayed that he's typically voted her out because of how close she felt to him. But that she didn't hold it against him in that. She really was rooting for him and misses him. So I think that they left on good terms even though she thought that they were close and we're to work closer together than they ended up or. Relationship closely monitored by beast mode cowboy Yeah. It was a thing. Right thing. She said at one point that cody is was her closest guy friend in the house. So even though it's been. Six years, I could see a situation and especially again, those two and Nicole are the three people back from bb sixteen, and so if amber hasn't really seen that many or interact with many faces, they're like, oh you I recognize you. You know. So I'm sure the two of them will be fine. Her and Nicole is going to be interesting because it wasn't like. Christine seemed to be the more direct reason why she went home but I would also I also don't think Nicole was really on team. Amber Dan. Considering the fact that amber nominated her and she nominated amber back. But it could also be like water under the bridge I'm not sure if Nicoli even considers like bb sixteen in her history anymore, it's much more about eighteen. because. They weren't super closely working together that there wasn't a giant sense of betrayal either from Nicole. Well I mean they, they had quattro. So. Guys instead of. The thing is the amber kind of bailed on. Al Quattro fourth bomb squad puts up Nicole. Nicole. Had A problem with amber. It was it was never a great relationship but but I think you know to to to the point of like you. They were never that Al Quattro was not really a thing for long. So it's not like she invested either of them invested a lot of trust in the other were burned which I think is really like the thing that will prevent you from working with them in the future. So I I don't think there's too much of a barrier here but but who knows, how are we expecting amber to fair in this hypothetical? House? Mike. Do you feel that she is going to potentially go the distance. I think he's going to do really well. Yeah, I. Think she sort of has a lot of stuff we were saying about Christmas like who is really going to come after amber I. think she shows a lot of competition prowess. Again, a lot of people remember her for that very sorted fatal attraction of fair with with Caleb and less. So about the fact that you know she wanted physical competition and she wants to battle of the blocks maybe woman thrown to her, but those are still like. I think one was a puzzle oriented challenge and I forget what the other one was. So she had the capability to the point where there was a team America task were they were given the task to nominate a physical threat reduction and they basically were able to confound the largest to be like well, ambers a physical. Brett. Let's get her on the block and get some easy money, and so I think she can do well first off, I think socially again when she's not handcuffed by the fact that a man is a leering at her at all times, I think she can do really. Really. Well, and I. also think I'M GONNA. Make a bold prediction here. I think ambushes should be on the season is dave on Rogers writer. Die I, think they would fit together like peas and carrots David as you talk about Sharia and Amman at that, she wants to work with other women of color. Ember was very much about working with women as well on her season. I think they both have a great head about the game I think they both have personality as well. I could very much see you know the two of them wanting to work together and work with each other. To. Watch watch out for a Dave van in amber pairing potentially in the house. Kelsey, do you have any thoughts on how amber could do this season? Well. I'm expecting her to do well, like Mike said competition-wise. She did great on her season. I'm expecting her to do well competition wise and. I just I think her in the house rewatching BB sixteen. All I remember was the caleb stuff. So I was really trying to pay attention to everything else and she. Really had a kind. Wasn't watching feed. So maybe all have other info about all this, but it seems like she was very kind to other house. It seems like whenever Giacosa got sick, she was going and trying to help her and sitting by her side and trying to just be a general kind person. It seems like she's not that hard to get along with everyone to got sick and they put the bow tie on her share in the. Veto ceremony once again connects. Christmas, right? Because Christmas had to foam and vote and. Vote in veto tendons. So many connections between the two seasons. It's crazy. But I'm. Here to do well. I. Agree. I think that. More. So than almost anyone on this cast, like, why would you come for him over the only reason that Sh-. That you know she wasn't able to get far in season sixteen is just because Derek in such a stranglehold over the season that he could afford to let go of people that they had a holdover in like Britney and like amber. And without a structure like that, getting in the way, I do think that a player like her, who is so like just good. Socially connect with a lot of people. She's Nice Can can get by. And and get in with a lot of people She's capable of winning physical competitions. That's great. I. Think Fits a similar to Christmas. She doesn't come in with much of a reputation. It's not a negative reputation though I think that a lot of people would be happy to. See Amber as a respectable player and it will be easy to win them over as long as she does play a game that is impressive and I think winning competitions alone is she needs. So as long as she can win some competitions, she can play, she can make a deep run It would not surprise me if we see amber as a contender to win if she's hypothetically. Hypothetically on the season I mean if I may be so bold we might be looking at like a Kelly Wentworth second chances type thing where someone possibly feel like they were unfairly eliminated pretty early in the competition comes back due to just being so underestimated to their previous performances kind of ignored in the beginning and then is able to make a pretty big name for themselves later on. tarrant true or false ambers. Biggest challenge in this season is going to be. Getting in the door on Wednesday night. True Yeah I. Think. So she's there. She's GonNa, do great. But I th. She's the ninth woman that were previewing here, and the would be you know unconventional and again this look. This is big brother. All stars, maybe they will maybe they WANNA think about. Going beyond sixteen people in a season I. Mean I guess, technically, they have done that with like the twins in bb seventeen. Panama up to seventy. With. Paul as well on BBC nine, hundred, essentially replaced someone I, mean, could we do a night? One of a? I mean, could we could? We could we lose somebody and have then have? Oh, it's a Ding Dong. Okay. Here's A. Couple of people that were going to decide between. America, could America vote on Premiere night if we'RE GONNA. Vote if we're going to have a live move in. Quarantine for a month and then it's like. Here's a vote. At least Josie got to like hang out in the real world for a little bit before the opportunity to go into Ott was snatched in front of him. Yeah. So I don't know I well I. Think I think the GP brother, all stars had a gender imbalance, right? It was like it was like what? Eight eight women, six men or something like that Actually. Okay they. They pulled a woman for Boogie in order to get willing to seize. So it, it could be if they bring on like sixteen day imbalanced genders like make it nine and seven like I. Don't think it's that out of the realm of possibility. Could there be a ninth. Hypothetically. Know about that could be in the mix and have eighteen people. So they can have up to talk to Eric Stein yet. I haven't been trying to bother him. So I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see but. Still smoke here happening with amber. I'm trying to remember also in terms of the process because I can't remember Christmas. I, feel like. A bit later, maybe earlier than like the Kishan Memphis stuff. But I feel like ambers name was actually a bit in the mix like relatively early on at least earlier on the some of these other people that you previewed. Okay. All right. I think it's gotten more popular too since she's left though it seems like her modeling career is pretty yes. And she's making kick talks. Kelsey G. is making talks I have seen talks. She goes into the House and she finds out that tectonics gone. What if they get to do certain specific talks from the? Well. My this is actually a very interesting scenario. What if that all season long? She's like, Hey, follow me on tick tock policy on Tiktok and then. Wait hold onto their. What if TIKTOK is in there? Yeah. Pretty sure should be doing a show. This is Taryn. The equivalent of when Tommy last season was talking about his Broadway show that has been canceled. On. tiktok really gone forever is that I don't know I don't know. But let's. Talk about smokey. We're also recording this about a day before this podcast is going to go up. So you never know how? Different for future listeners. Listening I do believe the big brother Tiktok down. Did they did some stuff? But I think they might be defunct? The leading indicator as to the status of the APP itself. Yeah, okay. There you go. So. Chelsea, any any final thoughts on amber? I'm just excited that she's even being talked about I think she's someone that I would just like to see play. Again I think she has a lot more potential than what we got to see. So I am hoping that they call her name on Wednesday and I do expect her to do. Well, if she does within my you've been so tapped in in terms of your reporting over on parade dot com for this big brother, all star season, do you have any insight into how to our live event is going to go on Wednesday? I have no personal insight, but kid guesstimate my belief is I could see a thing were honestly it's it's sort of like what happened big brother Canada five. We're like Julie will introduce one person will have a little package maybe even Julie we'll talk with them a bit before they go into the house and then we just see it unfold. So I would not be surprised if we get actual very little coverage from inside the House as to like people meeting one another because usually it's done a week beforehand and they edit together all the clips where people react to each other jobs. Jobs, and people have the Hotspur each other. That's when Kayla L. Head over heels in love with amber at first sight and I can more. So see it basically being that. Remember that like episode zero of big, brother all stars when they like did little packages that introduced all the applicants expect that on top of each person entering the house and like minimally interacting before they move onto the next person with sixteen people. I think that's going to make a big dent in the two hours and then maybe Julie like makes it announcement of some twist and then they say good night. So Alison Gardiner didn't interview she talked about the premiere. This is what she said for the first time. Ever. We're having a two hour I'll live premier, which means that everything is happening as it's happening, and it's going to be expect the unexpected and roller coaster ride for everybody. But in order to do this, we certainly had to make an incredibly active. Active jam packed two hours going to keep those all really busy. So there's a lot going on. It's completely different than a regular premier. You're not gonNA see the players tell talking to us in the diary room. That's not possible it'll be a lot of action in a lot of Julie guiding the conversation, but it's bound to be really exciting. Interesting. because. My dream was sort of like a big brother, UK style move in of like. All right. Let's meet a WHO are first person moving into the house and then they and they come out and Julie talks to them for a second and we see their package and then Julia has a question or two, and then they're off, they're off to the house, and maybe we have like some cuttings to, let's check in on what's happening in the house, and then like our next person comes in and it of like, we do like A. Load in one at a time. Yeah I mean, that's what I was kind of hoping for and thinking in terms of a live move in. But in the same interview, Groton also mentions that like, Hey, don't worry guys. We figured it all out. We're going to have big competition sets and don't worry. We're GONNA have big twist. It's GonNa be Great and so I, think. They are not always aligned with what we want, and so she's like don't worry guys action packed. It's going to be lots alright. Things happening. So here's what's going to happen. They're going to walk into the house, but the house is the dark room and their first competition is already underway. David is having PTSD and they have find their way to the bedrooms, and then the the seventeenth person to make their way to a bed is automatically eliminated like I think they want at least three to five shocked faces. Yeah. Yeah. This has never happened before you know what? Though I do wonder that when as we're talking about a vote and I really hadn't let my mind wander there during this a lead up to the big brother season, I do wonder if maybe there might be sort of like a like a subset of people sort of like dub like the second chancers or something like that where maybe it's like people who went out early like a David. Or like an amber who, okay. We have our all stars and then it's up to you America. Which of these people do you feel like is deserving of a second chance or are they going? Going to be competing for the final spots, be it I. Well, it's also, I, would not be surprised if they move everybody in the episode, Julie says, now you get to vote for the first person to receive a power and all star perk or something, and then Sunday would show not only the competition, but also the first person to receive it said perks. I could also see if you WanNa Stoke Your Fan base fervently, and quickly you provide something like a popular vote early on so that the stands will be able to get to their phones and get a voting. Have you want to cause a fan war immediately ahead to? Some voting early on. Okay, Kelsey any other thoughts about Wednesday's premier. I'm just excited and I do hope there's some sort of an interactive element because I like to feel that I have some sort of say in what happens so I would love to vote on something else. WHO's your favorite player of all time? Oh. How how do you choose of all time? I of the two that we're talking about today. S. WHO's your favorite player at Christmas hamper? We've actually big jeff that his. Between creepy. Player to ever stand for the rest of your life. Would it be Christmas or the amber? I think that tells you something about people. Yes. Would you rather be Christmas and lose or be or would you rather amber? Amber, a mosquito is also. You the entire time giving you blankets and singles that was nineteen. He read the same how to host a thing as as. Caleb did on how to get a girl like very confusing way to ask questions and understand what's happening. To this interview we'll. Have to wait I remember and kill upset he was going to put a picture on the banana peel. But I I was watching an interview after the season with big. Jeff in amber and pig jeff is like I want you to return on this season cold. A big big big brother Babes, the babies, and he's just like what is like? Oh, you're hot like big brother. Babes like. Chef, what are you doing? I would appreciate very few people on this show. Won't come. That's my goal. Literally Face Palmy right now. Oh, no. That's not gonNA be the It's not rumored big brother Babes to be the the rumor. I missed my notes. He wants to be on called beautiful babies, you've. GotTa in. No, don't stay somewhat. Amber again, this is her story. She's like. Sure whatever I'll? Keep. Smiling, this man, you're such a beautiful baby. Hey. That's another thing about her social game. She did not slap any person or make anybody feel ridiculous to any specific expense. She's slapping. Big Brother House now, but I'm sure she wanted to fairly like all the stuff that Caleb was doing. How do you not want to? Yeah, there's more headbutting on slapping. Chops. Yeah. Pots and pans. Out Well Kelsey, this is so nice to get to catch up with you. Where can people find more about your feelings about these shows? Well, I'm on twitter, K., rows Mandi and. Yeah, that's pretty much where I put all my feelings about survivor big brother, okay Kelsey. This was so fun to get to catch up with you today. Thank you all so much for having me. This has been so fun, and I'm so excited to see what happens with all this. Okay. MIC has so much going on. We talked about the. BNB. We. Didn't talk about tough as nails except when I said when Mike put his hands behind his head, we didn't talk about down the hatch down the hatch, a loss for you watch podcast, which we are in season three right now actually takes place in a series of houses, maybe not the Big Brother House, but certainly Jack and friends field there certainly trapped to a certain extent going beyond top chef mentioned I write repr- dot. com. Hopefully, I'll do some exit press and I did something very exciting. Very recently, I. Did a casual hypothetical pass meant where the seventeen individuals that Robin Terron have broken down extensively. I got together with three rha personalities that know next to nothing about big brother us. Australia and survivor all starting to guy a Danza, the Purple Pants Pat, Rice Isaiah, and the Great Shannon Gus, and essentially I showed them pictures of the perspective cast and they had to guess what their name was, what they their job was, what they did to qualify being an all star. It legitimately was one of the most entertaining podcasts I've been on in quite some time I, highly encourage people to check it out and see what their opinions are on these very. These people that they have either never seen only heard about through means and twitter. Mike and your research. Have you found that humans are good at guessing people's names by looking at them? I, mean, not particularly. People like Kim. SPRADLIN. At guessing what animals they are think when it comes to the. It's a rare talent. I can guess your name by looking at you. That I don't know because I think that you have to sort of put yourself in the role of the parent, Mindy, like what do you think like? For example, I don't think anyone's looking at Christmas is kid and saying your oil. Name, loyal. So be sure to check it out as a bit of a teaser. Bryce Isaiah did think that Nicole Franchise name was co Kellyanne Day. So that's just a taste of the malarkey that ensued with a very, very fun podcast. First Name Coco. Lesson Kellyanne Conway yet. He said Oh he said and verbatim Oh, I actually know who this is her name is Coco. Yes. Most parents don't name their children. After. They've seen them. Usually, the name has decided ahead of time. So maybe the names that y'all come up with is what their names should be. That's what they look like Kelsey as a mom. Should you think parents should wait to see the baby before they give it a name? No, I never did all my girls. I had him named ahead of time a lot. They kind of grow into your name into their name a lot. So also, what do you do for those first few years when they're like growing into the face and the body that they'll have? Their face that changes a lot. So we give them like A. TEMP name or like a serial number and just referred to them as that until they get. Yeah. Dash twelve comes from. For them to tell us their name. Surely, they know their name better than us. Sure. Okay temporary. Like. Princess Jagmohan. Highness sore. Power. Ranger Jones or something with terrorist. Hey. Maybe that's what it should be in that thinking should big brother twenty to wait until let the season name itself. Should they hold off in calling it all-stars tacking name on it? So they don't get. Yeah. People people would be much less upset if if they wait until the end when Christmas winds and then they can say. Okay. This was big brother nineteen over. That's what the official title is called. It's not not all-stars to. Yeah. Well, let's think here's a thought experiment. Be Fans that they're looking for some content in the last few days. I wonder if people can go back and subtitle big brothers, season's lost star wars movies based on what happens in that season because that's the thing is that like because big brother takes place in one location unlike survivor, which is based around twists and different locations there really haven't been like names to distinguish it I think that's the way we can do it though. Do Not WanNa start with big brother twenty one. Let's not. Let's start with from the beginning of over there. All right. Well. This. Was Great Mike. Did you finish all your plugs? Naming. So at Mike Bloom type I, do a lot of random writings podcasting. So check all that, but I am so I've stillman disbelieved that this actually might be happening. No matter. What configuration we get. We're getting a big brother. All Stars for the first time in. The decade and a half ago. Nearly this is ridiculous. Early. I mean, we'll see it might be her amber, duke it out in a durins battle to see who comes back. But I cannot wait to see the coverage that you guys are going to be able to produce I'm sure it's it's always top for a very strategic, but silly show and I'm sure it's going to be completely par for the course. This is the irony of if it's some sort of a foot race to get back into the house and then Christmas does not come up the winner to end up. I, don't know why he would even to say that she has a one hundred percent success rate in foot races so far. About that, how crazy? She. She WanNa racing competition. For. Her had nothing to do with her. nope. Either one both are hr ages were given to her. Yeah. That was them the mo Jo Competition. Right. The Paul. Had everyone throw to her to Yeah. Well, he injured his last question wrong on purpose like super wrong, and then she got it. All. Right. Taryn you'd have previewed seventeen different big brother houseguests. which was which one was your favorite. Of all ages. Be Amber. My favorite. Yeah. We're a little loopy after talking to Christopher Christmas yeah. My favorite part has been talking to all of the wonderful New People. That have been so lovely. And it's been so much fun. So you know hopefully, we hypothetically reached all of the I. I wish was a bigger cast because we had a lot of great people that we didn't get to in the big brother hypothetically speaking series. Yeah. That's what we have a season to do. We got a beam. B.'s we've got. Live updates got other things, but Kelsey Iraq did your super awesome. God. Thank you. It's such a dream to be able to come and talk to you guys though I'm just lucky to be here. excited. Okay. Taryn, where can people keep up with you all season long? I'm on twitter at Armstrong Taryn and on twitch twitch DOT TV slash Armstrong we'll be going live talking about feeds all the time. So make sure you follow me there and just a programming note. Tarit, we still don't know win. The live feeds are going to turn on. Right? We've no idea how could be Wednesday night could be a week from now. Yeah. Maybe we'll vote on that. It will vote on. Vote on which day the feeds come up. I just want some. Vote on something. Don't vote Christmas on lifetime. Now. Honestly, I would not surprised that they vote for like, what are they going to put on when the feeds are down? Is it fish puppies and kitties? Is it? Trivia. Advertise the like. The Big Brother live feeds. There will be plenty of time where the feature got active. What would you like us to be showing you? Like I don't think they would publish them publicized that maybe on the feeds itself, you could vote vote for what should the screen saver be. Okay. All right. This was so great to talk about both Christmas and amber. We'll see who ends up in the house. There's Wednesday night. Thanks so much. All right, everybody there you have it. That's going to do it for hypothetically speaking seventeen players that we have talked about, and we're ready to see who walks in that door on. Wednesday. Night will there be any surprises or anybody that we missed. Anybody that we haven't talked about yet, we'll find out on Wednesday night royal rumble style when we learn about all the people playing in big brother, all stars, of course that live podcast coverage, GonNa kick off around eleven fifteen pm eastern time eight, Fifteen Pacific. If you're watching an east coast feet, it's GonNa be a really fun night and we'll be back on Thursday with the draft is well, maybe live update on Thursday morning. If everything goes according to plan, make sure you subscribe to the podcast. Rob Has website dot com slash I tunes, or Robbins website accomplish bb podcasts. If you want our big brother, only podcast feed, and of course, all this podcast is made possible by the. The wonderful patrons of Russia's podcast. 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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 4

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 4

"Oh, boy Elsie. Is this more of a Tevin ELS? It is more seven. Yeah. Travis quick study. I'm not really sure why came up in this league last night. And I said we're gonna play Kevin Campbell Thursday already people Thursday the first time ever that's easy one Thursday because he only had went album. So oh, oh, you had more than one. Oh, how dare you? Just because you record it and release. It doesn't mean you had. Couch. Is spent time with you know, what are we thinking of what's happening? You know? But I will say this. D hit when he did hit this. This this release was hot like almost every see. Yeah. He's. Insincere? How did Chuck? Sweet last night. It's a long story. I think you can kind of guess, you know, the same way everything comes up on. Zada Sean will return tomorrow. Maybe we'll play Tevin Campbell for key tomorrow, you know, plates played some of that Jones Tevin Campbell stuff to why can't couldn't put on shoes in his cutout. What's up with that Ryan's obsessed with the cutout shoes you have cut out with sandals? Oh, man. Okay. Notice turning his Monterey. He's turning his foot though. So you can't see how broke his his toes, actually. Look, he's giving you all side eagles. He can't see his Brooke, Dr nails. Got that horrible sweater on horrible hoodie. Oh, and that's really really. Of United speaking, our probably pause. If I were you giving your situation. Are you a candidate for the west? All right. Pause. Liberty. Listen. Line or Watson UCLA job. Are you with it? Let me just let me just throw this out. Let me say this. Let me say this L A, and I want you here that when UCLA's not good in basketball. It just bad for basketball. When when US's not good in football. It's not good for college football. The one thing UCLA needs to do. And I'm not saying it has to be Earl Watson, but they need to get somebody brings the alumni back. They need to some get somebody in Elian. It'd. I'm gonna leave that there. I'm only that. They're they need to get somebody that welcomes him back. They need to get somebody in there. That knows a temperature these young boys these young kids, and they need to get somebody who can get some young professionals and teach them how to be pros. It's just it's just a different language is young kids. Now Ryan, and I'm not trying to put words, but why in the world would a program is rich in tradition as UCLA basketball is alienate their alumni that doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, this is UCLA's like Kentucky turning their back on basketball. It's like Alabama turning their back on their football them. They why why in the world is there a disconnect between the alumni and the and the the program there's still a business that goes on behind closed doors. I it's not just this isn't just as buddies coming around. And apparently, you're not needed, you know, basketball. I don't want to say that it's secondary UCLA. But it like it's an academic institution. Like high like one of the top soul as far as basketball just guy. Just this little extra stuff there. But yeah, we kind of pay the bills if you had noticed in guys put in a lot of work in injustice. I want to say, the deepest resources of basketball culture in knowledge and beginnings, and you don't tap into that. I just don't understand it. And we'll just keep it one hundred that relies on a head coach to do to reach out to the Kareem said, a Walton Baron Davis is to the Reggie Miller's to allow those guys to be a part of your your team in culture. And if you bring somebody in at a minimum, I say they have to be committed to that. Now, I do get it. There's job security. There's trust is people stabbing you in the back. But if you're not comfortable in your own skin as a head coach, it's the practice. Yeah. I mean, you liberty. Yeah. You get blast. And obviously like like listen Steve Alford. Did it bang-up job at UCLA? He did a great job it. It is a heck of a lot harder to step in and do that and easy for us to set outside and criticize they should do this. He should do that. But you're not getting players. You're not bringing guys in. I mean, Steve does not a L A guy. We need somebody who knows LA somebody. Who knows these young kids? You know? Right. If there have to be someone who knows young kids like Mike's Trzcinski is like a thousand one years old. So, but he's got his own ranked up. Joe there was good assistance. But there's only there's only one code k, and like you said he's brought that into is assistance in the one thing UCLA has been doing is missing on a lot of kids. And the one thing that's inexcusable for UCLA to do is let a kid get out of your backyard when kids aren't going to your school that they're choosing Kentucky. There you choosing. Syracuse their shoes in their shoes and other universities over yours because we have enough. Talent just in Los Angeles alone to handle business. But thing about you know, we always talk about the Rams. What's the difference between Jeff Fisher, Sean McVay, not obviously points. Well, obviously football. Now, we're not going to do this at genius. Maybe he's he's he's second enough. Right. It's it's energy. And it's connected to the guys that are in the locker, and he speaks to the language of these young kids. And he's wanted to argue the the youngest right head coach it, right? And you took a shot on that. And you see the NBA has been trained to way why NBA's already been a players league. And college also is it's all based on play. You get one guy. Lonzo ball cames in. We'd go to sweep sixteen. So you gotta be able to get those guys you get one guy in L A. And that one guy was LeBron who might get you the next guy with a which is Anthony Davis and to hear him tell it in. This is good news. If you're Laker fans in right now because LeBron's out there hasn't been a ton. But Anthony Davis is kind of not his want was expressing his frustration about where they are is a team right now prefer. We're saying. Oh. I. For an offer. Nobile asks you. You know, let's say the order. Ep Beck, and Dan, we have Niko output. Jay. Sorry. So that's Anthony Davis saying that DNA the coaches the players the front office vis is how it typically starts when you decide that you know, what I've had enough. I'm a great player on a bad team right now. The pelicans are fourteenth in the Western Conference. They're doing the wrong way. And it starts with a, hey, we all have to do better. We all need this. It's the players as coaches, it's front office. And this is the beginning of you know, what it probably time for me to go somewhere. At least there's a Laker fan. That's how I mean if you are a GM or team president even in owner hosts twenty ten and you don't already have them in Tallahassee about your star player. You're an idiot players have taken power control of their careers now for the better part of a decade. And I'm sitting here, and I'm like, if you need to Anthony Davis to publicly say, he's frustrated when you yourself at had his entire career and know that you haven't been winning, and you don't think that he's thinking about using his his influence and getting out of there and crowbar. You out whether saying I'm not senators extension a win into free agency. And just bouncing if you're not already thinking that your idiot. You aren't any this is Matthew eighties. No, drafted guy. And he's just gonna stay with you, regardless of how bad you are. It's a franchise. And if you wanna move them it's up to you to move him. Now, it's the player is he get decide when he wants to go. But where he wants to go to me. I think it's about respect. And you look at a guy like Jimmy Butler in Jimmy wanted out. You can tell them not that it got absolutely ugly. But I loved the class that Anthony Davis is handling himself when he gets into games. He plays hard puts up numbers. He does everything he can to win. And we've seen situations L in trap where a guy wants out and he quits on his team, and I have no respect for that. As a guy who played in the league and competed in it's been in locker rooms. But this guy competes brings it every single night. So to me, there's a respect that you get to the tape Jong table, and you sit down and say, how can we make this work? For both sides. And ironically, if you look at the history of these trades going back when a superstar moves the team that ends up winning is the team that ships off the superstar thing about Carmelo Anthony going, you think about the white Howard movie, you think about a number of these stars get get shipped off and traded the other team went. So New Orleans actually has an opportunity where they could come out this thing winning because when think about it when they trade for DeMarcus cousins the kings who won that kings wanted. They still got a healthy buddy hill in draft picks and guys that are making that team go right now and the king's are having success really wanted to surprises in a league. So New Orleans if you position yourself, the correct way you could come out winning this trade, even though the Lakers could have release the Lakers could have the early success. But as a long term deal, I get the town. I mean, would you think about okay, Denver? You move Carmelo. And obviously, I'm not calling Carmelo Anthony Davis. You get. Gallinari? You get Wilson Chandler, you end up stacked thing about the new the nets gives me the Celtic. Yeah. This Celtics are the Celtics because they traded the big three. They traded our netting. Severe. The Celtics had to find an idiot. You have to find some because look, I don't know. I hear what you're saying. Generally speaking, Ryan that if you trade one guy get a whole bunch of things back in the guy want to be there that ultimately you're gonna wind up in a better spot. I just don't I'm having a hard time mentally getting a spot where I lose Anthony Davis. And I'm in a better spot. He sees too good there. There are some guys that are Carmelo Anthony is one of those guys that's kind of on the bubble the great player, but maybe a whole bunch of something is better than one guy who doesn't wanna now here now. This is so good. He leaves. I'm not better, or I let me re revitalized that he Billy Keane wasn't an idiot for making a trade when they made the trail of the nets a lot of people thought that was enough to get the debts over the hump because they had Williams Darren Williams they had brook Lopez. Yada, yada, yada. It just didn't work out for but three hours. He is that you're absolutely right, right. I agree with you that if you have an opportunity to get a whole lot of jacks and in exchange for warn king. You take all the jacks. But he's an ace. And I and you they're hard as they wouldn't be in a situation. He math. Thank you. Yeah. That's the that's the reality of the situation in your team that has to get better through trades in the draft. Ain't nobody coming to New Orleans for me. I'll go to Newark. Fed point guard out there Ryan, I'm leaving up to you. You could stick around. You can listen to L Z's top stick around. Your top two. Feeling this when Elsie you not? Yeah. Everybody likes Michael right, everybody. Well, most people put enough. Put them out. This was buddy. Let's not great. It was his best. Yeah. Yup. I don't care. What you throw people say looking at me because I think you are in person. All right. So. Old like eighty million cobwebs is best best album thriller. See exactly. Dweller? There you go the real ones know that as off the wall. Yes, I will go with off the wall through it was cute when I was twelve and all that kind of stuff singing about Halloween stuff dumb song. If you just did a lyrics without the pits. Visit you. You dare restore like a target or something and beat came on. Now. It's like this didn't hold up. Well. The only songs Billie Jean still holds out with your came out thirty six years ago yesterday, by the way, Billie Jean that holds up and maybe one or two hose up good. I don't know. I don't know. Stop. Away with that. Now, you know what I mean? Yeah. The landscape has changed a little bit. Yeah. That's not the OT pretty thing that keep you safe for no one else. We shouldn't be. You know, what else we should be age appropriate back? Pretty, hey. Fellas. You got to have a top ten. What is it? What is your top ten about? What is this? Romany? He normally normally my top ten on Tuesdays. But I haven't been here for a few Tuesdays. And I got to give the people what they want. So we're going to give a very special edition top ten Thursday or for the people out there. Eight thirsty Thursday top tier? I like that. Yeah. And these are because it's the first Thursday of the year. These are the top ten pop cultural things, I'm looking forward to and twenty nine hundred the top ten pop cultural. All right coming in number ten three turn of CD little TV show that I made I enjoyed temptation island station island to try to show people having sex without show people having to say. Yeah. I've ever I saw. It was funny. I was flipping channels last night and saw the the promos for it. It's. Yeah. That's exactly what you just said is exactly what exactly there's an urgent care located right on the other side, just beyond the Senate where you can't see where you go and take the pills in Korean to take care of what you did before. Exactly. Grass. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Boy for those of you that saw breakable the sauce Plitt pick comes to Chennai. Chatterjee grows to in his mama's has has a bigger role in it. Samuel's, mama. Yeah. All type soon. Right. Yeah. Mouth. And unlike that that duck Phoenix thing they didn't kick they didn't punt the the release date. I'm not sure what's gonna happen with that. But speaking of marvel movies movies with marvel characters captain marvel is number eight Marlee. I got a lot of stuff. He would wait this. You're gonna take me for this question. I know what it is. Okay. I I've just seen the trailers on TV. Thank you, captain Marvel's a woman is that. I didn't know. Terribly sexist thing to ask I just assumed captain marvel was a man secretary marvel why is it kept it mobile? Like, I said, I knew it was gonna be the reaction. Right after she only the entire unit time travel. I mean, Philly's cry. Disappeared number. So that watch you gotta be wonder woman. Why can't she? What what is a Roman? It's title. Title kept simply means man's you. Number seven, the return of the greatest band of the nineteen nineties people who do you blow fish? Tour who? Was on his own now. Can I get some Huntington blowfish brain? Remember that? Hey. Ow. We should do. This thursday. See that's much better than they had to ours. Wow. Vortex machine. Shane Meyer ten coming in numbers. Six lying. Keen the live action movie. I'm with you. How it's you. You right. I did too. I love the line v. Feels like maybe we don't need to do this. What do we do? Now. Our no dog. Travis I'm with you. What's going to happen at the end? Classic you messing with a movie that we all know we all loved that. We know the story we know everything about this. And now just because we have computers that we can make zebras do stuff instead of pencils talking about. Yeah. We know that Jesus dies, but he's still keep making eastern movies and stuff watch those either, but go aren't childhood, man. Sorry, you didn't know that spoiler alert lion. King. Thank line. You said it is a perfect a perfect. Can't we all love? I don't wanna ruin it. Either. I want The Lion King to be The Lion King. We don't need another one go. No. It's about childhood Gary childhood number five. It's kind of pop culture's kind of not. But I just want to see how the world responds. Megan Markle OEM is giving birth. That's right. I'm a fan she's given birth. There's going to be fighting. But you can't a fake black folks are in the Royal family with her marriage. Having Kansas is real Israel, his salad. It's bad. I do like Megan Markle. See? Yeah. Yeah. Apparently, you're not the only one. No. I know. I'm not this. When you and the prince you went with the prince hope you okay with all he's got better. Number four. And I don't know what they're gonna do. I don't know what the theme someone's going to be. But it was such a coach or for nominee on the first time. I made it for the second time frozen to comes out still. Me go over captain marvel is this going to be better than Shrek to what's to Shrek to let. Here's a reality. Mike kids should take that song for two years drink. Let's catchy. And now, I gotta hear it again. No still to go. What goes in? Multiple attacks for how about I can't you came back. Dancing. Meet your head come apart. To go. But I came back. This is a weird list. Nightcap marvel man, I'm glad. Eight. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Number three, only because I want to see what they do with Black Panther, the Oscars doesn't Black Panther feel like he came out a million years ago or almost a year ago February, but I'm very curious because in my on bulletin. I have seen be careful a lot of movies this year. I haven't seen all of them. But I certainly seen all the contenders to me black klansman if Bill streak talk Black Panther. These are all films that are quite worthy of recognition and performances of red worthy recognition. And we already know they try the okeydoke by saying, let's create a mo- are the most popular movie Oscar quack because you don't want black parents and being best picture. To set up feels like it kind of feels like it's like day, we can't ignore this one y'all. What are we going to do? I got it who gives an iron and beat Miami. We will say album a year. Best album. Exciting. I'm watching you Oscars. What you go and do bra. That's use of alternate power. Exactly attain. You guys were meanwhile, lady Gaga, I was walking with best picture so mess like that. Anyway. Number two. Oh my gosh. The adventures endgame. Yes. How much you? Yes. I'll let you. Yes. I need to know. What happens? I need to understand how they going to bring back everybody because when he died. No, they didn't die. They didn't die. Joan. Now, you need to change the time line. That's the deal. You gotta change your time line. Now, you gotta go back and reset everything. Yeah. But he's got the time stone. But somehow you gotta go back before he got the time stone and make sure he doesn't get the time. So we super go back. On a few and spoiler for those of you who haven't seen any of the first twenty. That'd be me. Go ahead. You can't man is in the quantum verse. All stuck out there. Right. It's Paul Rudd. Got car. Got captain marvel got the beeper call now, he's an eight. Right. Right. Right. She's back there. And they're, you know, by the way, I know you are that's why you want to her high. Last stuff mood around. And let's face it. We all know because the movies are slotted to have many sequels afterwards all the main characters based coming back. Yeah. So now, it's not about what happens, but it's about how and I'm just really fascinated because they've done an excellent job in four disclosure also do somewhere from such let that be known that this isn't purely objective. But I am very curious because I thought they did an excellent job executing the deaths and the the adventures with Thanos has been introduced in fit anymore. So I'm interested to see how the execution is in the in game numerous. Don of execution. What's your number one? Boy who boy healthy. That's right people that showed it likes to kill. The show that sucks you win with a good character and says and now we're through no one's safe. No one is safe. Gema thrown. Aw. Yes. Return the final season. What does Tyrian going to drink? What is certainly going to have sex with. I was going to say something else. But that's going to be a curse word. The seven thrones. I I told you who I want who would you like to sit atop of the seven thrones. I'm a big fan of John snow. Oh, gosh. Can I know is boring? I know that's the one I want the die. Here's been. But here's the thing which rooted for the death star. Keep finding Vader. He doing that role. Trying to bring order days guy Horford down. There keeps going things up a little. A little different our eyes. Voting for the bad guys. But you're good guy. Like, they know some of the vendors like you just mentioned he had a great plan TC at everything on the gore wall cut things in half half. Y'all got to go get this right next time beautiful plan. I love the way it ended. But go ahead. You know, he could have done the opposite. What he could have doubled. Everything nor w w trouble. Oh, gosh. I'll give it to you that thank you. But I'm rooting for John snow because in order to be a leader and make it to the top you have to make compromise. And watch him agonize. The compromise is what's fascinates me? He's not going to get to the top. Because what happened his dad try to have like, boroughs and stuff? He got beheaded in the first season. He's going to make it through learned its lesson. He's going to have to do. I would add stuff. I would like to see the character that made me watch this whole thing. And the very first episode the opening scenes involve these they're bad guys once again, but the white walkers to half dead people and half light there like dead whitewater with blue crystal is they just want to kill everything in their path. That's why I went to see sit atop the iron throw. And you have a dragon now. Spoiler alert. There's a dragon dragging multiple drag cents. I don't know what you're saying is trapped. Well, it'd be unfair for me to be critical because I've never seen it. So I'm not gonna never see my heart out on that kind of stuff. That's that's an easy out like the marvel stuff yet. But you watch that. I'd like to see that. I do like politics. This is this is strictly a political show. Actually, I saw that. I was a kid out the window. You shouldn't have been looking that was the inspiration for us to throw George out the window and then putting Travis here. Oh. Kevin Campbell south where all lie NFL wild card. Weekend is coming up would the match ups be for the Rams the following week? We'll get into it next. Oh, you notice. Woo. Woo. Woo chavez. You're making a weird face. I like Arsenio thirty years ago. January third nineteen Eighty-nine Arsenio hall debuted. Really? No, I made it up. Maybe that's possible. Now, thirty three of our senio. Do you think he sends our senio hall a check every so often who Bill Clinton? Yes. One in the election we election, right? Why not at least a nice note saying, hey, thanks for that whole presidency. Hosts saxophone would think I'm black president thing. That's the show where I saw red hot chili peppers like I mean way it was a Alba Jordan eighty nine. So which one was that was that mother's milk. No was prior to that real men. Don't kill coyotes. I believe. Yeah. That's the name of the album. Do I? I. That's a great album has it talking about the Lakers owner right has a higher higher ground on their has hired Stevie Wonder. Anyway, that's that's what kind of show was it just blended all different things. Look it up. He's he's. Remember, he leads sentimental. Right. Johnny. Carson had been the king of that spot for ever, basically. And then Arsenio showed up. It was the first guy that ever made a dent in Carson's audience. That's because he took us assist. Yeah. But but how many? You know, how many uses was watching Johnny Carter Bill point. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. You're gonna say. No. But no, he got it wasn't just that he pulled people away from Carson, especially younger people. Yeah. I mean, we're one he was younger. I mean, you can only be think it's the hip thing so long. It wasn't just black folk. And it was just a hip guy. Young guy hip guy, which Johnny once was but come on this was a long time ago. So so another wrinkle of the day is l z made a mess in the studio. Now, what did you do you walked into a bunch of mud and stuff this morning on your way to work various construction, gentlemen on my street, and you have two options when you're trying to get to your vehicle because you're not allowed to park on my side of St. at all because of the construction. Okay. You always hear parked on the other side so easy. You walk all the way down to the end of the block turn they walk back up or you cut through the construction. I've turnover Nabi I'm turning new league. I was like I am never going to be like anything ever again. This starts today. Tomorrow. So you through the construction he made a mess with your shoes. So I jumped suit instruction realize, oh Zo, muddy, this isn't cool. There's a reason that have you walk around. I guess. Gets about car. I'd scrape as much as I can jump in ZIM, you know, buds wet it's price sticky as it dries, false Sephora. So I'm just sitting here in the much drying and try and try next thing. I know I'm looking pig pen duty, cheers everywhere. You wouldn't just sit near you must have been trying to get it off. I'm just gonna use this carpet in his chair. And you get it all case. Now swing my legs might get excited about talking about the Lakers looks like a major league baseball dugout with the amount of dirt that you drag onto video Chris. So then we made l z clean it. You did not make up bad. Boy. I said I'm going to find a broom and clean myself, which we saw broom ever in the back closet here at the station. I in a full broom in the video is up. Raj posted on the Graham and Twitter at Raj groves, but it took l z forty minutes to sweep it all up. We'll you gave him that goofy. Oop, bring news traffic. Ten minutes. Could've done it in ten minutes. There's a joke in there. No, I'm not gonna say it behind me devil room that you give a kid nuke. Two minutes. Bet you know, so front-page ESPN dot com. Tickets for college football playoff title game available for cheap. There are tickets available for about one hundred bucks. They expect them to go down between now and the game on they're supposed to go onto. Let's go down. There's there's no demand for this is the third time. We've seen it for years. It's Clemson and Alabama in the bay area. So this is if you're in Alabama football fan, you if you've wanted to see this you have if you're a Clemson football fan you wanted to see this you have there's no local interests, the Silicon Valley broS and the area pros are not dying to see Alabama and Clemson, right? And they're basically trying to give tickets away. And they can't do it. That's not a good look. No. The worst part is it's it's the right game. It's just in the wrong city for the third year three of the last four years. But then what happens when it's flipped, you know, one of those something quirky happens in like some northern school or something ends up in a championship game. Like, Ohio State, for instance. And it happens to be in the deep south. You think the Ohio State we'll see is was show up if the buckeyes had been in the championship three at the last four years against the same opponent. No, I don't think they go. I think it's more. I it's it one its geography it's just a long way to go into. It's the Alabama travels Clemson travels, but you've gone because when it shows up for the first time, I got to go see my team, right? I gotta go see him. I don't know when they're going to be back. Well, they go here. So you've seen it. It's it's a comedy if USC the, you know, the year, the national champions say it's in Atlanta. Okay. And they get into it. They're going because they haven't been in a while. But if they were in it every year, and it was in Atlanta. They're going to skip it, and that's what's happening right now what I would. Feel baffled NCWA, but they make so much money. They abuse the kids just feel bad about it at all. No. I don't feel bad about that. I'm excited to see again is the right? Would you go? No, I'll watch on TV. I wanna see it. But I don't need to be at it. If to make that distinction. You know, so weird that all the sports it just feels the football to win as best made for television. Yeah. No. If you're going to design it from scratch, it would look exactly like football. It's it's rectangular like TV. Right. It stops every thirty seconds or so to reset and go again, it's the perfect TV sport. You can gamble on it easily everything about it is right though, trust if the Rams make it not going all the wood that's around. I wanna be there. Sure. If the lions make it I'm going to be actually on the field. Well, I don't think we need to worry about that. Probably not on us when I was able to say something that Rams could get there this year. And that'd be I'm not gonna let you your say. That's right. When one. Shade. No, no, stop it. Stop. If it's not going to be easy. This is going to be, you know, obviously, as where's this may sound it feels as if they're the wildcard team has got to go through the tough schedule to get to the championship. Even though the number two. They don't that's the thing. They're they're at home for the first game. There's a chance that could be home for the second game. They're playing well again, I know they had bad opponents. But I I mean, the helps I liked it. They're under the radar, but it's gonna work. They have so many. When you look at the sixteenth that are there. So many already beat them in a regular season. Just makes me nervous time for the classic bit of the of the day that bit at the day. Dummy wrong universe wrong. DC knucklehead superman this guy, this is Star Wars. From kisha, but not. This is going to bring it down again to this is another after our as Dan hill us. You know, what his birthday? I'm just telling you, I've I've just the fact keep her in the Kripo. Oh, I thought was knows Walker sixty-seven. No her that. Got my ear said no one heard that the note Christopher Reeve superman. Doing. Rings birthday. Yes. He did. No seconds men. Right. The first one was schwinn show, George. He shot himself. No, he did it the first guy the first guy the first one. No, he jumped out of a window or some he ought he really could fly. No, he he was Christopher Reeves got hurt and a horse. Survived horse afternoon. All of a sudden, the Mexico the first the Mike goodness rise. I think it that day the bit of the Darrell of bits, man. It's all good. Tell you play to most drivers I didn't really listen to that wouldn't before until play too much way too. I play two keys back. Tomorrow key is back tomorrow. And which put that bit of the rest for. Coming up next. We'll see that.

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas | BB22 Week 8 | Chappell

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom and Liana Boraas | BB22 Week 8 | Chappell

"Some game. Right. Off. Sounds. Law. As the R. H. A. Day. Lay. Off. I can sell you. The are ASE. Hi everybody I'm looking to the RHA P BNB for week eight of Big Brother twenty two is Mike Bloom. Hopefully, assembling a triple threat of podcasting to break down the first ever triple eviction in big brother US history and. Oh Oh my God. This is so embarrassing actually put all the answers to the games behind me on the graphic. Don't don't regard that. Please everybody. I didn't say anything if that helps any culpability on my apartment is going to move forward and pretend like this surprises are still there. Let me welcome in someone who is not a surprise to be here this week of course, the CO owner of the BNB Liana on how are you? Well, my it's just like groundhog day. Got The jokes. You're funny Leon. So funny. Funny. Your. Litter or action I wrote it down Oh thank you for getting it. Yes. Mike thank you for getting it. And of course, we are joined by someone who can get it since he has been a star of so many podcasts especially this past week he comes from the slop to the. Level of messy nece to be had in a different way. So has so thrilled to welcome Chapelle to the BNB officially how you doing pal. I'm good. I'm good I to get it. Get the joke are very happy to be here in the BNB in the ghetto is weak and big brother history. I thought the first week the first episode when they couldn't get into the have not was pretty good. But this this is the hood do. We got. We got. The teleprompter giving away the secrets. This is the perfect time to bring. Chapelle, very happy to be here. No seriously. That was my exact same thought Chapelle that was like mineral. This was the production team that brought us we can't get into. All right wing push do we do we slide the door? What do we do? It's too confusing for us to handle. So not surprised at all over the fact that they ruined their own triple a fiction, which is hilarious I honestly, and I tweeted this and I still stand by it has to be one of the most unintentionally funny things in. Big Brother History Mo does not include any sentences with the words. Raven. Walton in them. Because like you can't you cl- right this that they build up for the entire week and through that preceding our like this is the first ever triple eviction and they'll never see coming and people are like, yeah, Dr Wilson. That message. But like the through some chaos into the house I think they don't know what's coming. Who Can Triple of in what's that reminded me of there there's a viral video of like an older gentleman. I think presenting some sort of like antique on a new show and he's holding like a spindle for like Mona graph and his hands are shake eighties like this is so valuable and just important, and then he breaks it and he goes well shit and that's honestly what this like was just watching that moment out on realities so. The house gets couldn't even fake it new they just Kinda like are we supposed to know about the triple eviction because I guess originated in my speech? Nicole did she was like I? Don't know we're supposed to. Triple eviction saying. You know who you are keeping in your role nickel. We know you put that graphic up. Okay. We're able to put it up there and then win dishes like. The triple of extra coming up but Jill just goes I didn't say car. Yes, you did. Why is she trying to? Like yeah like she's trying to Oh my following I didn't screw up like, let me just throw out any culpability like right here right now just in case. I think the funniest thing for me was the lead up to it. All I went back to find all the quotes which the first one was. Let's keep tonight's triple eviction a secret between us for now, which is hilarious in and of itself because like what am I going to spoil. We talking. To. pair. People what people have been spoiled and it's like I would not be surprised if Julie did not put that out because someone would run their way to the wall. Bill. Tonight just a twenty two minutes grappling Hook and just. Like swinging up the hit ain't GonNa Zala. It's a triple eviction. And they need to have imagined maybe phantom like. Batman infiltrate the House. Of. Christian Bale. Voice. The center of it all. Studio, city. Okay it's not too far off guys. Lawyer Higher Arson our pets in their sands Kovin. Insane. Okay. Call it what it is that moment of like I didn't say. I was David had just say on the screen so. I'm going home. Anyway I just tell you. Mass. Best. I mean it was. Like you have to I think especially with moments like this I think you have to take certain things in pride because I think otherwise, it was a disappointing night to see like what do I actually I'll provide my own caveat to that because I do think that while it wasn't surprising that night to see. Danny, go out especially considering what we saw leading up to it the Ark of Danny Brioni. This season is actually really interesting and I do love while the actual night itself wasn't surprising the culmination of like her winning H. O.. A few weeks ago to how this week and did was actually a pretty in my opinion delicious arc on its own, even though it was not necessarily the most shocking thing in the world shocker. I think if we think of this like A. Five course meal or something like that right. So you've got the appetizer when she winds. Hoa. Have it all fall apart. The only issue that I take is the fact that desert was rushed what they were giving me the bill they they were forcing me off my table someone else was going to like I wanted to sit and enjoy dessert I wanted to see Danny really struggle and to have to deal with cody time. Whereas we got it in sort of a blink of an eye. So that's the only thing but I do agree with you watching her fall from grace was particularly interesting. It was interesting amazing and we deserved it. But yeah, I agree I want to see her sit on the block and and our allies turn. It gets I really hate that for too because we like Danny before this right like as a as a collective and now we're like you know what would have been nice your demise a slow painful. Right. Right. Now now does us in the spot I was reading her interview with you Mike. She was saying that this is her last time. She didn't get to have a victory lab or you know like a farewell. Or whatever around the house and a part of me was thinking wow, that's crazy. You know to go out like that and not even. A Little Swan Song but then I thought about it again, it was like Nah you suck this year. So get you out of the house as soon as possible. That's the thing. It's like it's interesting because I know people want dating to stay because she's like an element of chaos but I don't know I I just feel like this is a great sinked Ark for her and I do agree that I think having that week for her on the block would have been dramatic but also do wonder if having that tournament of time like would we have gotten the sniping back and forth between Danny and Christmas? It had been more stretched out because that was also like probably the most dramatic of the evening ironically enough the two of them assassin to each other and it's very clear. You know what Danny's feelings towards the two of them at this moment. Worried. About her safety christmases not stable. Oh, my God. And the way that everybody speaks about Christmas too because now, going into this next week of like you gotta be super careful around Christmas like she'll pop off like super. It is alarming to me that I believe nearly every single word association I've done with the house guests that have left the house with Christmas. It's been some form of crazy aggressive emotional like unhinged like this is I mean I think her win equity is in the the tenth circle of Hell at this moment based on that. But I don't think I've heard a cast as uniform Lee. Surrounded around the besides Enzo, Enzo has always gotten. Funny. Whole areas makes me laugh. So I don't know what that says about his game you know Christmas and Enzo are the two that are getting pretty much unanimous opinions about them. What does that say about where they are right now? Missile Ironic because it's Christmas joy and everyone is frightened of her. She's the nightmare before Christmas. She's like the. The random Halloween adapt. What? Christmas horror story with John Roster killer. Yes. He's never. She's never like the Christmas. That you were wanting. She's just a Christmas that you ended up with. Yeah Super Super Ironic. She's just she's frustrating but I will say in the triple addiction she gave me probably the most exciting moment for me personally it which is when she voted out Nicole between her and Tyler Omega was thirty seconds my heart rate. I actually thought that there's something exciting would happen and there was hope in the world and then ends okay men and he stomped on it and I was sad. It was it again if we're talking about surprises especially listening to the roundtable this past week Taryn like went super rainman on us and really broke down the odds as to how each person was going like. Honestly. With David. It came down to the fact that the one person who wouldn't have kept him safe ended up like that. You really got screwed over there and it's just memphis being big all I finally got my bounty A. Dick. Mostly. Okay I guess I'll keep Nicole over David but I don't think anyone was really enthused to get rid of David is Memphis. Was Memphis big black moby Dick. So. Wait to get hold of. And he did go captain. Ahab. A movie you by that title actually. Very different. Like. A beep her into. Sticky floors. A lot of. Frequent place. MEMPHIS is a former season. Ten cast mates Stephen Dago. I. Believe he'll play a leading. That's what I know him from. I A big brother five. One of the game's over dude saying like Oh. Yeah I remember like. Oh Man I. Hope Big Brother Five. diesels. Getting into our yeah. Because we have three predictions to to get through here. So Liana we're GONNA start with you because let's talk someone who's study would come up this way because he really was a dead man walking with blanket this entire week. What did you think about Kevin Campbell preseason? He was one of those. Wow. I legitimately cannot believe this person's coming back. And I. I know a lot of people that had him early in their draft boards myself included and so. I was a little bit more cautious though in terms of his his his outcome on the season. So I did said, they would make the jury But I said that he would play a floater style game despite the giant Rachel mural saying grab a life vest. But his lack of loyalty would rub people the wrong way and he'll end up being a consensus boot He will work closely with Devan and we'll be sad when he finds out, she voted him out so. Time Line didn't quite work out for his comic book name I just wrote on beat. Off Offbeat Click, and now he's on or does he like a drummer from the movie? Whiplash. Playing with JK savings above him. Yeah. I. Guess So. I'll take on over what was it daybreak They. Take. These. Breaking. Meet might offbeat and get in. The the wall I did also say there was a fun little like mean Christmas moment when she turned to David like Oh you should be up there blind to block star I. She called up like, yeah you're not many much you should be upon that wall. Messed up like Christmas grew Christmas. Of, cool. Why is unnecessary like who? Whatever that's that's a large question to ask many of these people with any the actors that they do including Kevin us. So I said that Kevin would also make the jury I said Kevin would get emotional over how much he misses his cats I guess I forgot he was like a huge cat daddy. His life package during the daddy love. That's another Steven seagal movie. Heart. I said that he would have the deepest social connections with everyone I said, he would sink his own game when his scheming comes out in note comparing that's sort of like can copy paste tapan instead. I said unfortunately for me he will do something different to combat the cold and put his arms inside his shirt, which indeed he was with that frigging blanket driving around at all times he left with the blanket that was probably my favorite part was when he liked just walked out with blanket and that other thing you can do, can we take stuff from the? Big, Meech Pablo the duck remember when she got it. So I could. Guy, big meech and Steven Daguin in the same podcast. You're Bingo Karcher Bell. This is a like. Superhero. Name did Kevin of seven parentheses. It's like seven of nine because he's a robot. Yeah So maybe that means that they'll make him a robot or something. Bo Predictions. Worth couple weeks away from comics not soon enough because again, they've decided for some reason to make four full weeks of big brother. Lavaka six people. But I'm assuming we're GONNA comics next week. So we'll see how our predictions actually end up being. Let me let me go to David here the ultimate wildcard. This. Season of Big Brother Twenty, two, I did have David making the jury I said he would completely fade into the background until he wins a Rando comp in the first few weeks. So, that he gets put up a picked up as an easy worker drone in the big alliance. And I said he'd put up by America in a popular nomination. Silly me I thought America would actually have some power season. And I said, he'd get a random filler segment about his noteworthy behaviors which surprised we didn't get like you know like long's talking David. Or the little mannerisms he has in his speeches. But his superhero name was comeback King. Great. He's come back. Oh my God. Come back well. Firm. Will Code. So. I'm I'm a Texan we're animals who knew. Wait for them to be why was David the sperm whale just gotTa? Mac. Moby Dick. My goodness. Canceled this week I. Listened Chapelle we have waded into these waters. So many times we are like wearing cranberry bog. This point we're ready for the store. That's fine I. Did my due-diligence this morning with earlier today, we had a conversation about Gender Dynamics and survivor and big brother. So I think if you Dick Jokes important jokes are okay. All right. So so I for David I actually had him in my final two as A. saw. Okay. Because I said, he would be pulled into a big alliance by Tyler and Christmas. For some reason at the final eight, I specified but then he also will cry on commands this season. An, also, he will repeatedly say he's GonNa be a competition but does Horley incompetent. Robot of one, and then for his comic book name, I said the freshman which I should have said the rookie but I think that's close enough. Yeah. I. Think that works. Pretty good too. That's okay. Yeah Right. Next week, we get rookie cookie or something where David is like a giant. Does he realize This up. Here. Just, rhymes or he's wearing a shirt that says like it's my first time. For another, that's another one was movies. It's my. We're going to the Steven Dago filmography at this point, only two rival cody cal theories early taken. And finally, let's talk about Danny Brioni as slash Daniel, dinardo herself, Liana. How did you think Danny was GONNA do? I said that she would make the jury. Also. said that production will make her talk about her relationship with her father at some point in the season and she won't be happy about it. We. Didn't see at all. No I love you a no not at all. I said, she would struggle and competitions this season despite being successful in her previous seasons and that she would win a Caribbean vacation in the Yankee swap veto. And then her comic book name would be the dazzling diva. Danny. Triple. Do on these. Another movie you. All right. So I had a Lord. I, just looked at my super. Can Be really bad some I'm preparing properly for. So I said that Danny would quickly fall out of favor with the community when she makes an alliance against Chanel Hey. said that she would create a new one word catchphrase to echo awkward and shocker my personal choice was incorrect. Planting seeds is probably the closest you came to like a a one word catchphrase, the season scenes baby. God I. said she surprisingly wins no competition this season, but does earn a power. ooh Okay. That happened and she gives the harshest goodbye messages. which I feel like to goodbye messages total. Yeah. Right. Exactly. And her. Her Superhero name is Done knee. And it's a big knee. Yeah. You. Can you spell it for me? Is it? Today. Going to be denise for now, and I will never for anything else Bono this leg needs to be bent here comes. The name. Oh, Gosh. No one of Christmas reading you know how she? Denise guys. WHO's? God Tonya harding is like cling. How Christmas? Christmas north that makes a lot of sense she has like her Margot Robbie like mentally crying before she. Goes into competition to take care of Disney Disney. Okay. With the car. Niece superpower would be, but now I really hope that's the. I. I don't want it. Yeah like she's really flexible maybe because me is Ben's. I guess that's I. Don't know what other. Abilities. You. Burn. She kicks you because she thought a magic. reflexive hell. Killers boom. Before, you could end your sentence because I'm thinking. Maybe that's what it is. Yes immediate. Yeah that's good. I'd love to. Officially, race to the bottom of the barrel, my superhero predictions. Six people but I don't think for me. It could get I, didn't I didn't know how it could get worse than real toward the Living House, we somehow a knee to knee. Remember caller that pity she got elected Dinnie Demy. Oh That's the best thing I've heard all. Thank you Mike. Denise anything for you chapelle anything for you before we get into the Game Chapelle, is there anything that you want to bring up to talk about or? Or ask before we start getting into whatever game is we have prepared for you this evening. No I don't have anything in particular like like I said, this has been a really good week for really ghetto season. It's been. It's been a mess. But I liked y'all's predictions for sure. My Denise is going to give you a lot of points. Liana. You had some great things too. You know I think the problem is. These players just they didn't they didn't do what we needed them to do. Right. So you have the knee and she her one word Catchphrase Jill. Because she. Living Rip Free in her head so I think I think you both touched on a bunch of good points which are predictions I'm ready to get into the Games but I call it the Did. Great. Didn't he? Okay Let's let's See now I was GonNa say let's jump into our next game much like you need a need to denise. into the next year, but it didn't quite. Whatever I'm approving approving Transition. So we're GONNA, do an activity that we've done previously here on the BNB that's always so much fun and it is our version of the game mash. Mash stands for Mansion Apartment Shack in house where school kids as well as adults may predict what happens with their lives. So we have our own version for the big brother, BNB and it is called Haute have. Yes and TAB STANDS FOR because. It's in big brother. Oh. It is an acronym that also stands for itself don't ever. Snake eating its tail I feel like my mind is just falling to celebrate that. Yeah it's Kershler issue where it's like, oh. Test stands for hotel which stands for Osa now. Okay. So stands for have twice. And victory or victor are easier is that will go as a victor victory instead. All right. So What I'm going to do for the two of you and as I am going to predict what your games would have been if you played in big brother twenty two. So go ahead and forget about how you actually became an all star. Okay. Because we can do that thing for a lot of players on the season as well. We're going. On big? Brother. Twenty two. So the way this is GonNa work we're going to go back or we'll start Chapelle, and then we'll go to Mike. I'm going to ask you four four things in different categories and that will help predict what your game would have been. So the way we're going to start this off is I'm going to need from Chapelle four different job types. Job Types like. Options. Like. Cook or not not like industries. Yeah. Okay. So we'll go with teacher. Okay. I WANNA firefighter. Mailman. And Writer. Okay. I'm also going to need four big brother houseguests you want you can give from outside of big brother twenty two as well. That'd be nice. Let's start with Steven Daigle. Southwest. Triple the give me the knee. Brioni is. Yes. Dave van. Of course, you can't play a game without Devan. And just for some chaos Dr Will Kirby. Okay Oh. My God. The neighbor. Expenses Superhero named neighbor. Dr John Morrison a robe. Jack. Dr Bojovic. Love that cartoon. Rh about I'm going to need four numbers. Four numbers. Okay. So four. Four four. We'll go at forty. Okay fourteen And four, forty, four. Or forty, four all right and I'm GonNa need a four actor is. I'm really bad at this. I don't know a lot of actors name. So we're GONNA just go with the ones that I do know George Clooney. Burn. We'll go my in Bialik. Okay. I loved. Only, know like twenty-five is. Awesome. In my opinion nation, she had to be in this I. Oh Oh. Wow. This is really hard. Okay. TYRA banks is an actress kind of. Life size. We see my side. There's. To come out. I, think. Another one and. Give me. I don't even know who can use I want like obscure actor I want somebody interesting. No I don't just give me somebody random GIMME Jamie Fox. Okay. Yeah. I was thinking of something deep deep dive but never. Got Miami in there so I think you're. Was Right there. Actress. I would like to swap out. Jamie Fox for very pretty actress busy Philipps please I. Guess. Okay. Yeah. All right. So Now the most important part I draw a spiral and that helps me determine how I do the friction so very. It's very scientific. So Chapelle, you're just gonNa tell me when to stop. Okay. So I'M GONNA. Tell you what I'm starting. You just say stop. All right so I am starting now. Stop. Okay. All right. Let me work my magic back me do that I'll I'll bring they're talking about with Chapelle because actually got a message this week from seth on twitter who wanted to bring something he wants to bring up the Dodo edit which is so prominent on survivor like you can tell the distinct music and it comes up a bit on big brother as well. You know it really is sort of like I think the one he brings up the. Last, season like daylight savings time thing where like the camera was shaking and you could hear. Voices laughing. So he was trying to come up with a list of Dodo edits from like the modern season. So I'm going to read you the list that Seth came up with and let me know if you agree or disagree with any of them. So for thirteen, he said Ashley Yoko. Miss you know a tanning bed assistant. I think her career was fifteen. Of course. Marie. With the whole nomination speech everyone's laughing at sixteen. He wrote a cowboy which I guess I guess you could say like second happy smoke cowboy would kind of makes sense judy chop of it all. Oh God I, forgot about the judy childbirth. The. Whole her death thing the catchphrase that he said that he definitely had. Seventeen. He said Jase or meg and I met yet seventeen a little ooh days. into. The first guy that got the Arado by. The Guy who everyone knew was going home first before the show with a commercial. No Austin tiny hat. Remember he had to. I think. MAKES IT A L. That little hat would make it and probably anything that Julia in that other girl who looks like Giulio stick. I think the both of them were knows as well. I. I. CAn't remember land. You remember like a segment where the twins had done. So I remember there was something where there was a feat clip for like Liz Julia like had a lot of trouble with the garbage but I can't remember if that made the show or not. Yes, okay. I do remember them struggling with the garbage but I feel like there was another clip where they like had a bunch of really we're Dodo, esque stories for sure but also trying to remember whether or not any of that made feeds. But I think they probably fall under that category. Feature eighteen hero Joe Zeh or pauly or James. It's tough because like. Josie had like. The best one week Dodo edit but like give it to him because he was only around for a week. He had high and then he went on to go to the challenge I. Think I think we give it to Josie, because that was a horrible horrible week. He thought everything was going. He's where he was completely wrong like there was nothing you could have told him to let him believe that he was going to be the first one going and he had no reason to believe that he wasn't. So yeah it. Was Bad for him. There's a there's a video edit of Joe. All of Josie is delusions and it's really long for him only being in the house percents short period of time. So I think that that definitely counts for something. Yeah. Even though he wasn't all that long he did burn quite right and then it's pretty easy. So nineteen is Raven. How dare you? Sir. Twenty has to be Fussy. Twenty one has to be sis, and so set said for twenty two, he suggested David do we agree with this is David Dodo edit of season twenty to know the Dodo edit goes to Nicole Queen Friends or herself? Can we not talk about her trying to climb the hotel slide hidden like the looney tunes running in place in sliding down was doing this on purpose come on now? Is What cody thought he was like, did you throw it? Are you sure? Are you sure because that's what it looked like it did look so fake but I also would believe that Nicole couldn't do it. So I don't know it's challenging. Clipper Nicole said that like that that ramp was higher than anything I had to do on the amazing race which like slow your roll because there's one episode and they had to run like five miles in the Swiss Alps and she's like, no running up this ramp to get a t shirt was harder right it's slippery. What am I supposed to do? Yeah that's yeah. It was the CRISCO CRISCO was the. CEO She fell down on her face a couple times in different competitions. In being in that in that balancing beater that you gotta made from, she made a huge face plant. It was it was interesting 'cause like essentially the veto that they ran the triple victim was had to be the exact same one pretty much. But for some reason Christmas and Nicole the one, the two who was like back to back between the first one. To eliminate in the second one because they just I. Don't know where to trigger happy and like fell on the beans will the first one I think the only across the beam once or twice because it was just about flipping the puzzle to look to be the fire versus the ice whereas the second one they actually had to do the running back and forth, which is why I think was able to be so successful but. But Yeah I was hoping more people would be eliminated for stepping off the balance beam but Nicole did give. Like speaking of Batman like style, break his back on the balance beam. At the end, he did just lie down like the end of the triple he was just like it kills me I'm assuming he just does that at the end of every Thursday. On the floor. Off. Before we move onto more funding games. We're GONNA take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors. Support for this podcast comes from. State farm. With surprisingly great rates state farm is the real deal when it comes to home in Car Insurance State Farm agents are in your neighborhood ready to help personalize your insurance and you can manage your coverage, pay your bill or even file a claim right from your phone with the State Farm Mobile. APP. Visit State. Farm Dot com today to get a great rate without sacrificing great service that. State Farm Dot. com, when you want the real deal like a good neighbor state farm is their support for this podcast comes from Microsoft teams. Now there are more ways to be a team with Microsoft teams bring everyone together in a new virtual room collaborate live building ideas on the same page and see more of your team on screen at once learn more at Microsoft. Dot Com slash teams. And we are back. So let's keep on keeping on. RPM. So. Chapelle. Are you ready to hear how your game in big brother would have panned out? Okay. So first of all, you're in an alliance called though mailmen. You guys faced off against you're public enemy number one doctor will cut I am. With. The mailman be like a specific all-male alliance because it has to be the most like Manley, an alliance name ever right The. Mail man. To Win I. Got a I got a line with strong men so I have to align with them. So this makes sense. This makes sense. I'm trying to think like what their catchphrase would be. It would be like Dixon. What? Dixon. dicks in. What does that have to do with male mark does not even clever how dare you could Mail man like Ma L. E. men I. Yes. It could be the you spell it. Oh. My God. Okay I list thinking like we're going to mail you out of the house or A. Notice. On Your Fear I think Dixon? Ruth Knicks okay. Get it. Get it. Okay well. Okay. So so Chapelle one week you were states though because your ally who is in the Mailmen Dixon alliance save GM. But you had the star babies punishment and you had to take care of four hundred and forty sports star. Baby. Could fit in the house. Do you live in the backyard? Yeah while them up things from the veto competition out there spell with all your. Swimming around. Did. Dr Will. Maybe this will make you feel better because during one of the eviction episodes Julie told you. You look like a very, pretty, very pretty actress Phillips. Very very very. Very. Very pretty actress. Legitimately sounds like something Julie. Real. Very. Pretty. Very, pretty active busy than I would say who who? Mayan Bialik. a-list her. Now unfortunately, you didn't win the game. But you were a pre jury icon. Also I don't know those are the people that are winning this season. I think that it's Looking twitter and I think that speaks volumes Oh guy you're right? Yeah. I hate to be stuck in the jury house but you know being a black guy, I'm not sucked when I shot. Right. Okay Bras. Whatever now because the jury and I'm like, it's fine. Go ahead and. ME. You were the moment it's okay. All right. Mike Euratom apparently. Okay. I'm going to need four houseguests. All right. Let's let's go outside big brother I'm going to go with Kathy Sheriff Kathy. I'm. GonNa. Go with Marcellus. Okay. I'm. GonNa go with Hurricane Howie. And I'm going to go with Joe. Joe. Spatafora. So Fun. All right, and I'm going to need four nouns. Go with bus go where shoelace. Let's go with truth. It. It is. That is technically Let's go with stripe. Okay. All right I'm gonNA need four movies. Okay. Give me. Give me seventeen seventy, six, the hit movie musical. Starring Mr Fini I've seen. Any Censorship hells knowledge. Weird going to be a really on like intersection of certain things I have said, Mr Fini my actor. Like All, I will say the fast and the furious which one. Let's go past. Okay. We're Luke Hobbs. Gets brought in played by ending Magic Johnson. Two more movies Mike. Can name if you'd like the other fast and furious movies. Address. You have twenty options exist. We'll go with Shrek the original. Shut up Tim somewhere like screaming to to the presence in the forest home, we're going to give the force I will go with Star Wars episode one, the Phantom minutes. Okay. Good. Of all the star wars movies I was nervous of which one you were gonNA pick. The one with Padre saying, all right I think David really got the. This. More God. Judge. ME. Somehow. Got Safeguards some. So my God, Josh sounds like a slave I'm not watching. Star Wars. was terrible character. Is. All right. The last thing I'm going to need last category. Few Mike. Abstract but I think you get handle it. I need four sounds. Okay described them. Yes, you may. Sound of a fork in a dishwasher. Okay. So I'M GONNA go. Wild Yes. Garbage disposal is really wow. Okay. Say WE'RE GONNA dishwasher I'm sure it doesn't make that much noise. It's kinda stationary. Enough of it. I want the sound of jungle cat in heat. Okay. Please I really don't don't, but I think if we're GONNA. Offering. Make face when you do it. Is it like Oh my God. Same Dixie. Dixon. All, right. Let's go. Let's go with the more harmless sounds of let's go with the sound of cracking and egg. Or eggs sizzling in a pan. Okay Yeah. Eggs sizzle. Unless. Let's go with the MAC startup sound. Okay. I don't have a Mac what is that sound like? Okay one like large town. I WANNA. Asmar version of this podcast. This podcast. All right now, of course, the most important part the spiral. So I'm GonNa tell you what I'm starting, and then you tell me to stop I'm starting now. Stop Okay. This my rosemary scientific method of do I like it a lot of your diet right. Thank you very much and. During, my training. Doctorate in biography. Thing. Yeah Alright. So let me do this and let me see my what your game would have been in big brother twenty two. So while we're doing that, let's let's talk about. Because let's talk about the psychedelic salamander because Oh had such a weird like history I've been looking through it. We're like it started with just the big totem right with the dolls and like there was like, oh, the ape and then we start getting into like the Broadway clam, the new shark, the absent minded alien the put the thing was they were going into. Like. They were going into like similar sounds. There was the pissed off paying, win the rock and roll the Dope Dj. So she put what'd you think about these psychedelic Salamander this? Is it you talking about the bitching? Lizard. I like that he said bitching. Get what he's bitching eastern Elvis with the kids who are sitting bitching. Way Right. It's like wait a minute and then big brother just slip that in on on CBS I. Wonder if CBS was paying enough attention to know like kids watch this show, right? I know they try to make it a family show. But yeah, weird thing is that like they like to have either or the zinc like curse remember windy over Godfrey was the pissed off penguin and just like swear. The entire competition it's a very weird break between like it is a fun family show but also we get Raunchy here with her mascots. Today's do they think it's edgy is that I think so. Yeah. I did like Julie's impression. G say totally tubular. Gosh. All of it was hard to why would y'all embarrassed watching the episode I felt like you know Hey Japan has been podcasting on these on these big brother recap and stuff like that. Maybe fringe should watch and then. Watch and they're like this show is ghetto it's produced. It's like seven dollars to produce this show. Probably the the doors are locked the teleprompters giving away all the new. There's a random highs salamander on the show hosting competitions. It was alive for one week. It really would. Like this and moments like when they do the the animation for that veto competition where they got shrunk down like honey I shrunk big one. Moments with it I personally love but also extraordinarily embarrassed by like just like you were saying Chapelle like the I am so terrified to tell my friends and family that this is the show that I talked about when you have that super high salamander being like salutations and Hilo. What what I'm intrigued by is that the salamander came out onto the balcony that Dr? Well did. Could there be a chance that they are the same in and of itself. We never seen them together at the same time. Dr Wheel was letting him use his spot. You know he's leading them rent the next door for the time being I believe that's what that was his background on it. By the. Reasoning behind it right? Right. Oh, thank. God you explain that I mean. A non zero doctor will is a lizard person might not have full salamander. Shiny. He's definitely some type of android or at least I could see his likeness put inside some type of. PSYCHEDELIC lizard. Yeah, what up Chapelle I was GONNA as Leon you when you're when your friends and family find out that you're using your doctorate on big brother podcast how do they react? Oh. Yeah. No. So like I've the elevator pitch looks very different depending can. Say Yeah we really truly spend time investigating these strategy and the dynamics the social dynamics of these complicated social strategy his meanwhile of Mike. I just made the sound of a jungle cat and. What you do is you say like Oh let me our I've heard about the beam be check it out show one of your updates and that's him Mike Bloom and I talk every Saturday morning about gave. It that's how. That's how you dress up to like meet the parents almost, and then it's like you're right now we can finally pull up on the motorcycle and code. Bread on the. Jacket on or Jacket, on this bike. Harvard? Let's tilt over a soda shop. If I ever get to the point in my life where Mike Bloom is the bad boy. Partner. Coming for rob spot. All right well, bad boy of the BNB. Let's see what happened to you here. So so in big brother twenty two, you made a final two with Hurricane Howie. That's A pretty good deal. Drew himself in the foot at least twice and is not too bad. You did however receive a punishment costume where you had to dress as. The truth. Apart. Great Noun Choice I'm pretty sure I. Did that once an exercise in college getting a theater degree I think I'm fully experience being the truth performance. Truth. It's just a black leotard with truth printed across it and I just walk around being like you look your wrinkles are showing today. Your heater too big. True performance our. Full body suits green man where like you can't see my face it's completely covered. Yeah it was going to say you are the bad boy. I Walk Around with a baseball bat. Okay. Well, in addition to doing that abusing people for saying the truth hurts you also as part of your punishment had to read a terrible adaptation of the original Shrek movie. Much like Dirk space jam or this was your version of Shrek care you just need to be like get down to must wound. I think it's just me reading Shrek scrapped. Version right. I love that accent whatever it was. It wasn't a Shrek accent. Was Not of this world. Writing. I on. Even though you had a punishment, you also won the Bong power. The Max startup sounds. Of South. Twenty again. You know when I originally conceived that that category it was like, Oh, the KA POW power or the. came up with eggs, isil jungle cat, and he four in a garbage disposal. So I do not want to know what jungle Ken Power. Uncle lost trailer or what was that one where they? Yeah the Bob Copy Un. So the bond power, the Bong power is like bond likes psychopaths, Alexander them selling salamander. That's the name of a strain actually sounds like a party. Because it is. It's the stream name. Okay, well, all of this culminated unfortunately, not in a win for you Mike. But you were the ROB G DOT s which to be honest I don't think that's happened. I guess would be the Rob Jihadist of this season. Dave Hahn Feel like the week that that she left leg she shows. Sunkar. Game I guess case her maybe was the rob G. Dot us. Just Kinda same. Kisha was the rob. I applaud maybe or maybe it's maybe it's to come right like maybe cody finale night and then get cut or lose in the final two, and then he'll take that role on because I. Agree. There's nobody yet has really filled that role of like, wow, they really got screwed over. there. Yeah. Let's see Christmas Christmas beats cody co final two or something like that. She Cody officially the Rob Goddess like for sure. There's no way. Yeah. I. Don't know how it will happen with Christmas wins whoever whoever's sitting next Christmas Guy Robbed for sure yeah. That's what I was trying to think I was like who? who either cody have to sit next to you or Christmas have to sit next to and I think I think that's correct. One Who loses to Christmas just inherently becomes the ROB DOT is. Mike you lose a Howie I was GONNA say do. We cut me what I think it is I think Howie accidentally cut me I think it was the final three. H and he thought he was going to vote for me to take me to the end, but instead he accidentally in victim. Topaz Metta world peace kind of situation. Yes. He did the thing when he thought he won remember that food challenge also is really yeah and they're like, no, we lost. Probably go wait a minute. Know how he just like why are you in? We're GONNA. Make. Confetti. Would've appreciated if I had to act out star Star. Wars one the phantom menace I think you would have enjoyed that Yes. Unfortunately, you got stuck with the O. G.. Shrek. But I think I, think congratulations are in order. I. Guess for the two of you. You know at least ultimately in terms of the fans is you came out looking pretty good. And it's also unclear. Mike Got Eliminated pre jury as well. So. Who knows maybe the two of you are back to back boots? Probably the quadruple of fiction. I'm glad. made it that far this is a win. If I got to boot quadruple fiction, this is a win for me. Well let's get into our next game here because this was a week about prizes and actually you know what? Before we before we get into it because I want to we've mentioned the neighbor twist, but let's Break it down because the twists have been. So odd this were really is like. Oh I. Wish I twist that don't break the game and we've gone them this season, but it turns out to being scenarios that we really would've loved and I. This Week has been like a prime example of them really keeping their foot off the gas pedal like you think Dr Wells coming in there's a lot of crazy crap about to go down. But no, it was offering what ten thousand dollars across two competitions and the doctor will affect I mean I don't know what do we think of it? Is it good that it wasn't you know didn't have a profound effect in the game does that make bad? Is this a waste? I WanNa know I asked rob this but I really want to know how much did they pay Dr Wheel for this appearance because he he stands on the balcony he amount he announces this twist it doesn't mean anything and then he disappears forever. So do they pay him ten thousand dollars across the week for for this kind of thing is that enough to pay just to come and be like we can use salamander for all for all the doctor we'll do. Like here's someone a big brother legends moving in like Hey bitches mainland. PSYCHEDELIC sound mander. Formerly known as the pissed off Penguin exactly. Running all the mascots to fill out that belkin eight. I would say for me, I track my emotional response to the twist which was initially gets announced like, oh, initially excited then everybody's speculating ads prising by Nah. It's probably not any you know right so expectations get lower my God, it's doctor. Will I'm all excited again and then right back down because like you waiting like where's He GonNa? Is it GONNA show up? Is he going to heckle the houseguests during the Hoa is going to show up during the veto is he gonNA voice the Salamander like No no no no no, and ultimately, it had very little effect on the game. So it was high highs and lows for this twist if you can even call it that did he ever even appear in the backyard at the same time I guess it was the video and they enjoy leave and talked about like in the video of Dr Well she even acknowledged that it was just a recording. Then here's what they did like remember that time when the feeds were down for like twenty four hours a. Filmed they filmed all the well pre tapes and they got him out that set and they said, all right. We'll just use these out the week. Well, and by throughout the week you mean. Under Finning and the. Zones raggedy after twenty two seasons is the best. We can do I mean Agra. MICA. Person I. Don't know how much they would able to be able to keep on the set, considering the covert of it all but I don't know that the seeming bit Janke it'd be like, let's bring him in during production outage and just like have him record what two minutes of dialogue and then have him leave. Zone meeting, it really could been. Let's zoom uncle Vito sexy uncle Vida moving next door. I'm trying to remember the language that they use to describe it because I feel like it was the neighbor week begins and then it was like the neighbor week ends I. Feel like they said the word that it was a neighbor week, which implied that it was throughout the week which I guess technically, it did impact both h. and the veto competition what you're throughout the week but it definitely didn't feel that way especially considering he was there for like what two videos and that was it yeah and also. Because I do love this idea of you know temptations, prizes, versus power first off I. Think it should be in every single a challenge like that's one of the many reasons why nineteen screwed up is if you have the temptation theme like bringing into every challenge because you know people are going to go for it as let's see in this past week but like. This show is that this wasn't planned that far in advance because like why do you not save the Yankee swap until this week? If that's the case because that's all that challenges about is you know taking prizes versus power. Just Very like crap Dr Well can you commit in film like thirty minutes of footage and we'll come up with some sort of a week around it. Waste Yeah. Darren like I feel like the the way that the the o especially was just like incredibly stupid because at least the Hoa which was kind of interesting because it was hidden. He. Didn't know who went for which you didn't know who is going to win the prize but then the veto one was just like David gets it and every Piston David end of story. So it didn't really do much except solidified the fact that they don't like David. Yeah and then. They had to be like brazen about it. I wondered if it could have been a thing almost like when you find an and a challenge and survivor where like he could have pocketed it and maybe it's like because he was looking for that, then he'd have to put himself in last instead I'm like mom taking this shirt therefore a limiting myself. Hello everybody look at the money that I've one please. If, it wasn't David I think I've had more of affect like if it was somebody who you know maybe you feel really confident and everybody started looking at them like, wow. Why are they right likes insult takes it then everyone might look at Oh and say, well, insult good with everybody. That's why he feels like he can take the money. But it was David. So everybody's got mad at him and it's like. Well, we just need to vote amount anyway. And I don't blame the IT L-. Let's be very clear that winning this. Hit the money and go take the money and go. It's essentially considering like he said that he wanted to donate any extra money he had towards you know black lives matter causes like hell do it like make all the power to? Make a statement that the game is definitely making in the opposite direction with no money you do. David. Like I'm not begrudging whatsoever for it. Yeah. Yeah I don't blame him at all. All right. Well, speaking of prizes. So suffice it to say competitions throughout big brother history have instituted many many prize temptations. So versus game we're going to go back and forth here I'm going to give you a prize. You have to tell me if it was on big brother or not. So. By Prize, I'm defining something that is an outside the house experience either something that someone will receive when they get out or like a trip that they'll take. It's not like a dinner and outback steakhouse or like access to the hot tub. These are luxuries and prizes that houseguests have one to enjoy either. In the moment outside the house or after their time in the house done. Okay. Okay right. So like a trip to the Caribbean that we all know. Your. Knee the need one. Yes. Put some sunscreen on. Denise I want that Sunbird. Right well, Liana, let's let's start with you. So I'm going to reprise you tell me if it was using the previous big brother season or if it is fake. A pool table. ooh Let's see. So they have pool tables you know in the in the backyard on big brother so I could see some sort of synergy there. So I'm GonNa go with yes that was a prize. Sorry. There have been no pool tables up as they prize so far. Get US take other big brother. All right Chapelle. A sneak peek at the new CBS shadow zoo. was there a so? Called where the animals struck back and not just like a jungle cat and heat more ferocious than that. Guys. Angry cat show. This sounds recap show into Google. Searching is this a thing? No A. Yes. Sure. Let's go with CBS promoting angry cat show. I'm sorry it was not a promoted show. There were many shows promoted including a I get that all the time I think was the David Hasselhoff was the CBS show they touted out of zoo was not one of these shows that they they caught a sneak peek of. Fake that I thought the show was fake and so I was like this. It sounds so fake, it's real and this is all happening ironically enough its just a real show that rather didn't care about. It also I think I think it aired in June. So is a little tougher to like roll that out but I mean the the the macgyver challenges well in big brother eighteen they usually do it for their upcoming fall shows This perfect week for them to talk about the neighbors remember last year when it was like grover, Johnston on all the commercials. River. Johnson. Ahead. The neighborhood is that still on right? It just went into, it's going into its third season now. While you know I hope it doesn't take the path of zoo which was also cancelled after three or was canceled after three. Zach. Deserts. Yeah. Sorry. I'm so curious about zoo. Violent animal. Attacks Upon humans occurring all over the world, the show lasted for three. And I've never seen one episode I have no, you could have told me this was a fake show and I would have believed you. Oh, same. Yeah. I've never seen it. I mean, honestly is sort of like like. A multi verse of the Ot Universe Right. We're like what happens if all the mascots get belligerent and start attacking the houseguests competing win in the Salamander. Possess handle. It was my own, the Broadway Slam, the Rock, the rock and roll. It's not an animal that I will join in. Iraq n roll. and. That sounds like Mike Bloom. Back saying. Maybe a version. Myself traveled back in time to like twenty fifteen I was just. To the room and said Brock the rock and roll get on that and then just take off. All right. So we are at zero a piece here as we go into our next questions Liana, a one thousand dollar online shopping spree. Oh. Gosh I feel like they're definitely be something that was early on. In, big brother because it was like the whole thing, let's big brother. You can watch them online with all sixteen pixels. So I'm going to go with yes that is correct. Yes. Diane one in one thousand dollar out of three I. Forget if she had to do in the moment like if she was taking to the computer and she had to. She had to do it because I know there are some luxuries where you can get clothes for yourself with in the house but this is one specifically like, nope, you will go online. Dollars worth of clothes. Online sears catalog. Go, have at it. It's Mervyn's. To name, I, haven't heard in a long time Mervyn's California had an online option who knew. Chapelle a three. D. TV. Oh No that's not a thing i. I would hope no, that's not a thing. They didn't do that. They didn't do that. Dang no yo remember berry brother twelve when one of us want to three D television, one, three D television and first of all what. Televisions are already three D. That was two, thousand ten. So I do that was like in the middle of the Avatar like big, three? D. I do remember walking into like best buy and seeing the Three D. TV's but I mean it might have been ends I. I can't remember who wanted but he was obsessed with getting that eighty inch TV around with that money that maybe he already had a three D. TV that he burned through. Seventy five is three three D.. TV have you ever walked into someone's home and they like told you have a seat? Here's your three d glasses. Do the three D. thing here. Could you wouldn't that be the most of noxious thing ever? Walked. Up Put these on for your. Typical customer, take off your shoes and put on these three glasses. Your Complementary Three d glasses for your viewing experience dropped them in a little box on the way out of the house just put them in the little plastic. Imagine. I mean if you if you're someone who's still has a thirty, please let me know because like I can't imagine being recognized. We're GONNA spend our weekend watching tiger king everyone geico reading glasses out to watch. Joe Exotic. And Hop on the waterbed since we're talking about the. Waterbed cops. Oh my God I remember I had a so one of my friends older sisters how to waterbed and one time we got to sleep in it and it was the most uncomfortable I've ever slept in my entire life. You need something firm like it's going to completely buckle underneath you I could imagine. Nineties. Thing ever waterbeds. Eighty Inflatable furniture was the was. The water out. Curry and that's the ninety s we have new technology. It's called air. then. They mentioned you know what? Maybe we'll just let we tried liquid. We tried gas maybe we should just stick with solid. Back to the basics. This season, we're going back to the basics cookies you. Know. Right, yeah. Call the cops are anybody with a bit matter. Of fact, if you're listening to this waterbed council, yourself tell yourself in your monster named Yourself Ed. You deserve a good night's sleep. I'm. Not, yeah I caught 'em assuming you're cult will also pay your bail. So I think it'd be totally fine. Alright. So Liana On the note of entertainment a home theater system. Such that such as it three is my real classroom. Matter of perspective. Yes. Yes. Okay. You know what I've said true every time it's only led me wrong once. Time so you know what I'm GonNa go with true lock it in. It two out of three times lead you the wrong way. It is false. They never gave away a home theater system on big brother. Yes. Like. Common thing, right to give. More right than big brother. Guest. The figure out gift. Mike, trip to face. Entertainment's is don't. Listened prices. Wound shoes on a main shoes? You want some whistle POPs. Mike dressed is the truth is kicking your butt today. I know really ash. And Truth does her? All, right. Chapelle. A ticket to the prime time. Emmy Awards. This sounds like almost too fancy for them because I remember they gave June June to like the MTV awards or something, and it just seems like a step up no offense to MTV but it does. So I'm GonNa say I WANNA say fast on this didn't happen. It did happen and. This was very first season. One the ability. To that year's primetime. I'm not sure what like how when you're asked why are you there? I don't know exactly what you provide as some. Like I'm on a reality show that you guys haven't seen yet because. Well, you might be watching it, but it's really really boring. We don't really know how we're going to win it, but I'm here. Nice to meet you. Don't know any of these shows right now you fill me in what is this frazier about? My favorite show is due when is that coming? To category come up. Accepting the word for zoo. Niba. Thriller we have to the neighbor poach. Earth to you know be. `sorry. Isn't the same graduating classes Liana. We'd sending me. When I'm binges together. Liana. Snowboarding that meant. Would this have been? I'm trying to try to block big brother nine from my memory. But your point I'm wondering because it was you would normally think well, it's a summer it's a summer show. They're not GONNA do it. All right. Let's test my luck. One more time. Yes. You are one for five I. Think. It was. Given away snowboarding equipment. Yeah. I thought that was going to be a trick question. That's what the figure it out in the legend of the hidden tipple gifts. Equipment and a chip this. Not at the same time hopefully. All right Chapelle. Screening of Talladega nights the legend of Ricky Bobby. Because I believe my embolic nor Jamie Foxx her in it and Orbis meaning. Was Busy Phillips in it very pretty actress busy I don't know. It's right outside of my realm. Chart Movie Chapelle knows that it's like is busy. Busy. As. Well. So the will fare movies. It is. All right. This is correct. So the thing with his voice is very soothing to me saw always fall asleep on every movie these ever done. So the only movie I've seen with Welfare in its entirety is semi pro. So you could tell me that anything happened in Talladega nights and I would believe you because I've never seen. The entire movie I remember is that he didn't know what to do his hands. And he kinda. You know. So that's all I got so. Did See. People yes. Yes. They did. They sent people to watch Talladega Nights. Evidently these these houseguests didn't know what to do with the they wrestled them on the armchair to watch Talladega nights the legend of Ricky, bobby and big brother seven. All Stars. Doctor will actually after mentioned was one of the people that is correct. There've been any movies that have been screening to the Big Brother House starting with American pie to in season two of course, we can't forget about the movie crews we can't forget about. The season eleven had two movies. One was the ugly truth starring of course Gerard, Butler and Katherine Heigl and then of course. The goods when Jeremy Piven dropped by and talk about his car dealership movie. That old chestnut. Yes. BROTHER WITH THEIR MOVIES It's been a while since we've really done that I do feel like big brother honestly big brother thirteen I think might have been like the last time bigger twelve or thirteen, twelve, twelve they had the other guys, which is another will Farrell movie. I think that might be the last time. Get a movie screening. Yeah. For movie. Okay Yeah I was trying to remember it was because I remember one of those welfare movies with screen by couldn't remember if it was. I lump them all together. But like Blades of Glory Talladega nights semi pro there like all in the same category for me. But TALLADEGA nights. That's interesting. That's probably the high point. I. Think in terms of like the movies. Yeah and then there was a challenge around it where they had to like remember there were two separate cars and they had to like do all these things to the cars like it was a pit stop and do whoever did it the fastest from watching all day unites I have to go rewatch bb seven. I didn't know they were putting that much effort into. All Star season. Seven is is a is a must watch. Yeah. We have to celebrate my Boogie the great character that he's not to be. No Love Him In, my, my writer Dai Howie Gordon is in that. Thank you very much. Thanks for himself. Well. Oh Chapelle was rivals with his enemy was Dr Will. So maybe kind of this. We're going back to Liana here. A helicopter ride around La. Oh. Shoot, I think I remember this. Yes. That is correct. Yes. There was big brother to that. They got a nice. Nice John Around La to get out of. The top to ride to leave was the challenge where they had to land the mini helicopter on on structures. What does this show? What are we watching you guys? Off The record what is this? What they've been doing like they had a drone drop in season two, and now we're like Oh. Yeah. Now they're just fighting for t shirts. Ha. What. Though I think now I'm thinking I would love for this concept to come back, which is challenges that are related to the prize that. Because that's actually really cool. I mean it's stupid but like I like it. So I just don't know what would the modern day version of that because they had already done like they took them wind it was big brother sixteen when they took them out of the Big Brother House. Dallas Cowboys Games. To your point the that was the battle, the block that the infamous Kayla Dodo added sat out of but they were wearing the football jerseys because it's supposed to be like they're doing Thursday night football and I think it was. Chapelle, your beloved ravens. Against Yeah and so it was I just remember that was I think they've been doing that. It's just that there haven't been that many. Prizes I mean I think one of the last major prizes, which is an ominous list was the GRONK cruise. Oh yes. Yeah I. Ready for a takeover remember won a trip on the. Was the Party cruise Oh. My God. We should follow up with her about how to win. In Iraq went onto everything after that right? He did the mass singer and then he do like dancing with the stars basically grandma drunks higher right now he's playing football right or did he retired I think he's GonNa. He's. He's back but he's going to be for higher I think. season. It is interesting though you bring up a good plainly on it I think at least a luxury competitions if there's like an interesting prize tend to be themed around that because we really haven't gotten like outside of these random cash prizes like I think we need more of that. So we can bring in more unique types of confident aren't just the same thing with a different coat of paint on it. So the challenged they did with the with the honey I shrunk the kids. The little microbes, maybe they won a trip to a microbrewery or Alright tiny six pack of being in. A miniature six pack for you the drink. Something like that. Yeah. That's not bad. The Salamander shouldn't have been ten thousand dollars. It's like here how some acid or some Life Yeah we for life. What was it? The PSYCHEDELIC style? Andrey. Vong. That was his punishment or the power. Keeping. Shirts. Yeah The. Honestly, it's ten thousand dollars, but they had a new T. shirt to wear. That's that's the only prize I got from the competition this week. Winner it did like all the. What was your favorite tied? T shirt the Baylor scope. Nobody what was the one that nobody knew how to pronounce? The. Light. Thrown. Throw unshaven from. Russia. I know we are in our glass houses right now being like what stupid names? Right Chapelle. reeler fake a trip to Tuscany. What? I hope it's fake. News fake. Know there've been many trips. They haven't gone all the way Italy but Scotty won a trip to Greece in the infamous Mama, MIA to. Veto. Challenge back and BB twenty clay one trip to Ireland. So. There have been like various trip international trips, but they have never gonna Talion as of yet. I just didn't sound looking if you're we're going from. Talladega. Nights, they use it like a trip to Tokyo. They didn't spend that kind of money but as I say. Yeah they simply places just just not Tuscany. They can afford Greece because like it was super cheap the. Laps per se big brother contestants. All Liana. A Classic Les Paul, Guitar and Amplifier. ooh, this sounds like this would be a reward win. Like they had like maybe musical guests come in the house. What. B Rex what statistically let's stick with the S. The specifics went with you on this one. This was correct, and this is an interesting one. See I don't remember this in. Big Brother. Nine. Starting as a prize. Evil came in and did this one veto where he's like, Hey, try to beat my score in this veto competition. If you do you win a Les Paul Guitar and amplifier because remember he was the big rock guy and they did not be Evil Evil Dick won the Electric Guitar Amplifier Loophole Fabulous I'll take it. This is just have done that what Dr? Well, like half him compete alongside them in like if he beats them like, Donald nobody when the POV but like he gets ten thousand dollars or Imagine that a loophole that Benefited Evil Dick to win a prize that he might not have deserved in the season that he probably should have been in. High can never never heard of that in my life before. Also, Dr World Never would've gone within six feet of those people because one corona violence but also every other Rezende right you wouldn't be seen dead but those people I just picture I'm clutching his pearls when they call on like Hey dr well, we need you to come look at the bb nine season he's. No, I'm busy. That'll cost a million dollars. Exactly. That's my twice my appearance fee. All right. Let's go to Chapelle here. An appearance on the game show power of ten. Sure this that happened I, don't remember power of Tan, but I remember the title. So I'M GONNA I'm GONNA go yes. At is correct first of all, it is a real show like zoo really actually original season in big brother eight Danny Danny and amber won prizes to go like special guests outside the House and they got flown to New York to be contestants on the CVS game show the power of ten that amber one, one, thousand dollars and Disney one nothing way. While they were filming. Yes. So. That's how Paul was on candy crush and how Tyler was on. Tko. All make sense it does Corrected Yeah, there you go. Look brother. They surprised US every day like beverage thing like Kim has like a look at power ten. We all remember look no further than fifteen years ago. That has a notable US contest in section of in it for some reason. Yeah. You gotta fellow contestants now. I everybody out. Often apparently was on the show but didn't make it past the first round. But yeah, the the evil super genius had competed on power of ten before he was on big brother How. Did he get eliminated from power of ten? Hosted measure carry I think. The DODO editors is if you lose it power. I think you deserve it. All right. But the but the O's in Doda or Zeros instead alright Liana. A Kayak trip down the Colorado River or rata. Jeez Oh my God dude I have no idea. Did you did you did you all right I'm trying to think of any competition that this could be linked to where they would have had to have. Higher. We Kayak last. Remember she did. Doing spot on yes. That was when I was thinking of as well but I don't remember if there was a prize associated with it. Let's let's dip my toe in the river of false. That is correct. No. Nobody has yet kayak trip in big brother maybe spent their money on it. God only knows around. People from Colorado or called Colorado Colorado Rodman's Colorado Wins Colorado. Found would have been Texan heat. That would be. Awesome always in the heat, right so Pretty much. It's not all the time I am a Texan He. One day Chapelle you'll change that to your twitter. No. Finally Going to you. To anywhere in the United States. Also Ok before I before I answer, how would they pull this off just like we give you a blade check to wherever you want to go, which is like putting you on a plane and then you have to cover your living expenses while you're there or. L. Them beforehand like well, I'm going to go to South Dakota seem more. If you WANNA like I'll pay me back for, is it like Delta airline miles? Thirty Thousand Delta airline miles right because I feel like ovation to to Miami Florida sounds Kinda cool or to Hawaii sounds Kinda. Cool with. Think. I'll go to all all the Michigan. Linger Yeah. It cost like twenty three dollars the. It's a one way flight you can stay. It's cool. I. I want to say no, just because it sounds absurd but it sounds start enough for me to say that that happened. So yes, I'm GONNA go with. That's an actual prize. That is correct. Hey, googly ugly. Nicole for oneness and big brother eighteen. Look at me where did she go? Do We? Don't know. Very. Well can you? Cory in the house can you Mike? Can you ask that in your interview questions with her please? I really need this answer finally I just want to bring up four years ago you earned an opportunity brother eighteen lesser. So then you're win you only opportunity to travel anywhere in the United States where was it and did it have a slightly worse uphill climb than? Perfect. I want underwear Nicole would go to miss small town girl, right? She's like I want to go to lansing. -CATION to Lansing Michigan I'm, going to. Detroit. Chicago so we are all tied up. On and I don't have time ringers. Like I'm GonNa cop what Chapelle said for our predictions before I'm going to call this a tie here. It was a little bit of a struggle bus in the beginning, but you both really rallied able to really separate the fact from fiction. The truth if you were a little high, it's As you figure out which we're prizes in which we're not. But none of these prices have showed up on bb twenty two but as Liana pointed out, I, think we need more of these prices because more prizes equals more wackadoo competitions. It wasn't necessarily teamwork, but I feel like Chapelle as a team, we really succeeded good job. I have been dying to be a part of this team because I'm very happy. We deserve a flight to anywhere in the United States. Was the continental United States Hawaii. That Hawaii trip is like call your name and then they say ou know but we can get you as far as Fresno. Can't get on a plane like here we're going to give you a car with a full tank of gas just go into like you run out. This Dr Calve had it. Always is okay. So Before start to wrap things up here I don't necessarily have a question per se but I did want to ask if you guys noticed during the owed tavern competition the cut scenes in between the rounds. I don't know if either of you guys noticed this but there were these really quick shortcuts scenes of like infl-, the inflatable animals imbetween each of the rounds and also shots of like Christmas in Memphis playing with all of the floaty. On To check this out. Right now okay. Sheriff Screen Mike Because Lake Social Pelicans. His well they were there was one where Memphis. Is like curled in this like. Curly Q. Float. It was very, very, very weird and I don't know why it existed. But of course, you know this is big brother. So like why why does anything exist? But. It just seemed like such an odd addition to this veto competition. So hopefully, and it was very quick in-between the rounds. So I think we're coming up on one now which if you at home or listening I, encourage you to go rewatch to notice these little quick moments because it was something just very bizarre. That was included here. That's interesting. So I was just sort of like a segue to get between rounds of the awkwardness of somebody going back and sitting down. Yeah. But what I don't really understand like why that wasn't necessary because their previous veto competitions it's not like we've had anything like this before. But for some reason, in this version, they decided like stew or hold on guys like we really need to do these cut scenes and then I don't know how they got Memphis and Christmas to film these young all the people the most crabby. Okay. You know what? I mean know what it is a wow. This is this is Austin powers. This is the all power. Initial scenes were there like dancing like? swirly. Misdemeanor Eliana Drew Yup with flowers and all that stuff. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. I do I do remember that. This link Mike is this just competition Big Brother Channel has the competition. So I've just been like rubbing through that. I WANNA I wanNA watch it again. So we discuss yes it's weird like temps popping up like a paint splattered background. There's various shots of like the Unicorn floaty and like everyone cuddling in like pointing at things I do wonder what their direction was as should like have fun. And enjoy yourself, and then we'll sort of take the be roll and put that in as the interstitial between rounds. MEMPHIS was around during the heyday of acid, and so they probably just say Memphis, do what you used to back at Woodstock and so he's He's probably just like like okay. I can do that or maybe they did get high who knows the second settlement it looks like he was trying to take them off. Yeah. We sure that like the floating is weren't like laced with something and someone. Like. Seeped into their skin. Poppies The entirely possible I, mean you know it was pretty colorful, right? So so who knows my my question is, should we have these interstitial now for everything like when? Because I, know that it will usually now just have like what the focus on various cameras to bring us from segment to segment should we instead go full Austin powers just do random paint splotch animated sequences of like the houseguests just doing random things to take us into the next seed. I mean you know if we're already embarrassed to show the show to. Friends leg. Why not? Let's just go all out double down on it like it'll be like spinning transition for like Batman Come through powerpoint transitions. Going Speak Star Wars we could you like an all star Wipe. You know we're like the star outline focuses and goes out to the next I'm surprised we haven't used more of those. Huge editing tactics to really get things and you know or maybe just throw some survivor stuff in there. Bureau of Fiji and see if anyone notices like lush blue oceans and then Danny. Nicole talking in the comics room. Feeling like no, one would know. What the house? I'm so glad that houses in Tropical Hawaii, way out of the the continental united. States too bad. The one four years ago means I can't go there. shack sort of obamacare. House. so that that bb nine th they were still in the same house. It was just supposed to be like like a resort or was this a different house I need to know I'm pretty sure it was. I. Don't think I think the only real house like major renovation they did was five into six when they did the two levels. Other than that, they've just been constantly redoing it. So yeah, I think that neither just made it into that winter lodge never super quick turnaround time where they amelie when that's why bb ten was really like the back to basics there's more so like we have no budget. All right. We'll just throw. Basically normal decor into the house after going all out three months beforehand on all this winter staff. The investment really paid off in bb nine. They really put put their all into it and look people are still talking about it to this day. Really really paid off. The perfect setting started drug ring in my opinion. Okay. So hold on one second because I just want to maybe you guys can help describe this particular cut scene not to cut too far back but this is the one with Memphis inside this like curly Q. Thing. It was right after heaven got eliminated from veto competition as when we get this particular cut scene with with Memphis here. So you know pretty standard. Members standing inside a snake flow and he was like fighting somebody or like trying to attack I'm assuming it's David. Christmas Shiny Jackie Memphis picked a bad fight. Then because Christmas would is snap that snake in half and re Memphis head off his body actually. run down and a car. Could you just imagine it's like it's like Memphis. Then just car. Talk about fast and furious. That'd be amazing if you like some some animated ones where it's sort of like almost like I don't know like Lizzie McGuire type thing where you use like animated versions of the House gets and it'll be like Nicole, Frenzel walking down the aisle or something or like. I. Don't know. Ian Like reenacting Dirk space jam or just do like almost like the way amis. You're doing little skits in between feeling the animated avatars will earn much more popularity than allowed the houseguests by the end of the season for sure. Yeah, they're kind of doing that with the massing or like the clue packages are all animated. So let's Let's do it. All right. Well, get on that people make sure you I don't know I think we get some animators in the studio to do some the maybe they'll bring something in I don't know the final competition in the past couple of years has just been all sorts of bananas. So I have no idea what they might go all animated this year because of quarantine that the jury is all just animated for the final h competition for those questions like final questions. But. They're gonNA be animated like Terrance and Phillip, or it's going to be like slamming Heidi and like I had a great time in the House on day twenty three. Nominated. A great day for Big Brother and therefore the world. I my friend but I. Want to finish things off buddy friend Chapelle. Of course, we always get the opportunity to our guests. Be To bring light to any charities or causes outside of the House. If you want to draw attention to so I'm also the floor if there's anything you personally would like to highlight. I. Okay. Well, I know that. There's a bunch of nonprofits that I think are suffering right now because of Kobe. So a lot of nonprofits do. Fundraisers where they have to you know you people come and do advance by tickets and this and other, and a lot of them just aren't able to have those events right now. So they've basically just. Started doing silent auctions online, which is lame and so I know a lot of. Of nonprofits are dealing with it. So if you find a local nonprofit near, you then reach out and just find out if they want you to donate but I know the Ymca of. America, or why America whatever they're called now they they are suffering for sure because as looked at as a gym primarily and as you know during Kobe Pete were staying away from GM's. Breathing. They're touching. But the YMCA ALS- also. Offers different services as well. Daycare and help with education and sports, but it's completely not profit. So the money they make from membership just keeps the lights on. And they're losing members. So lights going. So if you wanted to find your local Ymca of course, that would be a good idea to get nonprofit as far as I'm concerned but I also. Think I was listening to something earlier it was bow I know people who are trying to support a lot of black owned businesses right now. But if you WANNA go to box DOT BLACK That is a website that has been I wanna say is curated like is cube or something like that, but he's like. Coordinating. A list of black owned businesses and ways to support them and it's also a donate link there. So either though organization with would definitely benefit from the extra assistance at this time. Yeah I'm looking at right now you can filter by like the service that you want or the industry you on or where you are. So yeah, it really does seem like a really fantastic rolodex of black owned businesses and it's a super like searchable and is each navigate site. I like it I haven't got to use it as much as I want i. hope hopefully after Kobe. You know we'll get to go outside again but until then yeah, I'm just spreading the news about that one 'cause I think it would be very beneficial. And Liana what we're talking about causes I know that the timer talking right now you actually just came off of a couple of hours of you talking about another very important subject both in the world of reality TV in the world at large. So I just participated in a then organized by an P. Lesson or Anna, and she works with a nonprofit supermajority, which is about getting women involved in the political process and promoting activism. So we had a really great discussion with myself. Melissa Deni Lebron and Murray and Chapelle Chapelle Shawntel from the class of twenty twenty. so that was really fantastic to have the three or five of us all get together to talk about. Gender in reality television. So we discussed both gender an race because especially women of color really really struggle. In reality TV shows and so that was something that we did and then had a tax banking session So you can definitely, if you're interested were I, think Shantelle is GonNa, put it out on her youtube channel the distribution that we had you can go and do that and also sign up to do more a text banking for a super majority. So that was something that I participated in show great and just really really important. Maybe less important as important but just in a different way Putin I are also doing the mass singer as well. Are We doing clubs? Now? Is that what's happening talk about the importance? Way Go with it. Okay. So. Massingir yes. Animated clue package is an all. Talking about that. So So look out if you want something a little bit more of a fun distraction of. Tyler from BB twenty two. Singer as the Gremlin this season like it's it's absolutely crazy. I know oh my gosh. Yeah that was so funny. Anyway Yeah. So if you if you don't know what we're talking about, check out the Massingir on, of course, Leeann ideal podcasts associated with that. Of course you can follow the at Leon Rha Chapelle can people catch up with the if they want to find out all of your all of your deeds on Social Media, they candy core related or not? Okay for the people who don't know I like candy corn please don't shoot. It's fine I don't think it's the best candy that ever existed but seasonally, I would rank it number one and I might have tweeted something has people trying to get thrown in jail. So if you want to see that tweet, I would follow me on twitter. Pills, underscores show C. H.. S. Underscore show on twitter and you will see me getting dragged by individuals for my. For my harmless tweet about cantor, you would think I committed a crime of the people are monsters. But if you want to catch up with me, you can listen to literally any podcast in America in the last five days. Everyone. Razon Rene Chapelle was on the lovecraft country recap I'm post show recap Chapelle SLOB. Chapelle I am loving it. I don't want this weekend. So happy to be here. I felt robbed for years because when you all started, the NBA is like my name is Brandon I. I had to sit back and watch you talk about survivor and brother and I was like one day. One day I'm going to check into this bed and breakfast I'm GONNA put my feet up and talking about big brother. It's I'm very happy to be here. But yeah, check me out on social media. If you want, you don't have to not that great and I will block you if you say something to means so you can tell me to go to jail for candy corn but don't be me. That's the limit. Conveys. Chapel unless you were fantastic, you can keep the three D. glasses i. Just to watch are the only three D. TV in existence is still owned at the being and you can follow me. One type. We only have water. You can check out. So as you mentioned, I did three interviews this week with Kevin, David and Danny. Hopefully, you check them all out of prey dot com the Danny want especially with super interesting considering that she's never one to relent from being blunt about her opinions on certain people and she certainly was that even though we only had a few questions and of course, always the usual stuff I did down the hatch with Josh regular this talking about one of the most disliked episodes in Los History we've got some tough as nails stuff coming. Up as a little bit of a surprise, as we said, way from one Phil Cogan into another, we're going into the amazing race and Jessica Lynch tonight also doing some star trek stuff next week. So we're going to transition from many CBS, properties into many other CBS properties. It's been CBS fall for me the season of CBS. Next week, we're going to keep going with this CBS show as six goes down to five. 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Does Valve Still Matter as a Developer? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 01.21.21

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Does Valve Still Matter as a Developer? - Kinda Funny Games Daily 01.21.21

"What's up everybody. Welcome to kind of funny games. Daily for thursday january twenty first twenty twenty one host greg miller alongside forbes thirty under thirty aka the second best baby blues in san francisco aka the verified. One ad. tim yetis. Let's host greg. When i was young sharon school would always be that transition period. Where you know what whenever you did your homework. You'd always have to write your name the date on the top right share you know. There's that new year moment we are just like you're not used to doing twenty one. You used to do well being right. And there's certain things from that age cursive the just go away. He just never need to use mccaddon. It's like okay. Sure you have your signature. But like when's the last time you ever why. I think i was doing it for a long time. Until i was because i still doing in checks. I thought checks. Had being cursive in the finally. Somebody's like no they don't know what and then i just totally forgot it all. That fucking cursive z. Get the fuck outta here. We're trying to work to 'em so i'll add an extra little mountain to fuck august time for this. No no no no no but The point that i was trying to make is while cursive is far gone from my memory. Losing the idea of knowing the date as the new year truck transitions. That will always be here. Because i'm still here. And i just realized yesterday that Four our spreadsheet where we put all our headlines and stuff for all the different shows. The i've been putting twenty twenty for so many things i had to go. Wait in like janet. Cry when i did laura games daily the other day or something like that. I had to correct a couple twenty twenty in there. i saw. It's going to happen. You know what i mean nina. I'm right there with you. It's it's muscle memory to put the twenty two in the zero there but look at it right now in two zero one period to one period to one that we go twenty one these kevin just for this year should do a twenty first month so he can have twenty one. Twenty one. twenty one so with kevin campbell. Kevin's mutitu we. We didn't take show. We opened in my microphone. So muted blue my nose and then i was called that and then at the end of it kevin notice when he was muted as well and kevin is now in the phantom zone. There's no way out for kevin gregg. I do have a quick question about this before we talk to. You need it out. Share you want a twenty first month like you just just neighbor like it's your twenty one months. Here's the thing i've done right now. Is god in his or her infinite wisdom tossing the ball right. And i just shot my shah instead. I want a twenty first month. You know what i mean now fucking bernie sanders in the world health organization over there. It's up to that side. Is it going to be is twenty. S- twenty going on long enough to get like is do we shortened twenty twenty. Do we counted. Do we expand that out a bit. you know. i don't know. Are we skipping months to get somewhere. I'm not sure. I'm not sure how we're doing it. Yes i have a suggestion that how we should do it here. We could look to the groundhogs as we often do Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah doesn't know how to do this. You know what i mean. Is there a. let's see hold on. Is this normal like normal. Checking you hear kevin. No no no. I know they can hear them asking. You guys yongin here. I can hear you weird groundhog. Yes or no blender but sounds like you're a fucking blender ten haircut. Okay hold on a second calm down. Gdp shave the sides down here. Is that the way. Just fate of it about sides. Well i couldn't find an easy way to find a groundhog online. Who can answer this question for us of how it could be march march weather. We can just do you know what i mean like. Groundhog's you can talk to. Her first round plugged. Yes or no. Google i was over. There was some kind of some smart ass out there and made a fucking. Does the groundhog see a shadow. Dot com thing. That'd be but in that. Does any state allow you to old. Groundhog's i'm sure multiple. Do i follow groundhog on instagram. Yeah you're right. We gotta get in touch with him owners. Here's the thing i i like again. I mean he takes care of it. It's captives as a pet. I'd say here's what i'm gonna say again. We've had you know we're having a lot of great ideas right now. In a lot of ways you mean kevin right now are like henry ford all right and so we have a. We have a lot of different parts of making the mechanized bellevue the conveyor belt. Yeah so you're trying to engineer Simply live or on the precipice of doing that. You know what i mean. It's like when. Einstein was sitting there like a lightbulb work. You know what i mean. His head on the lincoln figured it all out like we need to put it all together. And i'm just saying before. We approach the groundhog. We follow on instagram. Figure out exactly what we're asking him. That's not how this is the show right now. I'm just being totally honest with few. Yeah i'm just saying. I don't know how we get to the news. I'm just saying what put out there right now. Everybody is if for next month. How about this. This is the compromise next month february. Right we call it when i put it in the dates. This twenty one. I mean we know. It's the second month but we put the twenty one so we can get to twenty one thousand eight hundred twenty one kevin it. You can't be heard right now. But he says it's a great idea if you thought the questions we had right. Now we're fascinating. But i got great news for you. Ladies and gentlemen this. Is the questions episode of kind of funny games. Daily talk about is apple making a vr. Headset is ten cent about to buy. A gaming company is still making video. Games will answer all these and more because this is kind of funny games daily each and every weekday annaborough platforms. We run you through the video game news know about that. You need to be part of the show at patriotair dot com slash kind of funny games over on patriots dot com slash. Kinda funny games. You can ask us questions. Get on the show. You can give us your squad up. Requests and of course patriot dot com slash. Kind of funny games you can get each and every episode and free along with exclusive post show we do each and every weekday however you might say i got no touch your way. It's no big deal. You can head over twitch dot tv slash kind of funny games. If you're watching live like so many of you are in can just like drew tender sixty four the nano biologist. Mac junior. We see you. We appreciate you. We love you but you have to keep us honest go to kinda funny dot com slash your wrong and tell us what we screw up as we screw it up. Here's what i'm going to float out there. All right right now. I wanted to be the new. I want the corrections in their identities are directing correcting. I'm groundhog's which. I appreciate quite a bit here. I normally want to do this. And i won't ever do it again probably. Maybe you know whatever. I'm going to give a shout out to dave rooney. Is this being locally recorded with sound very well. That's the big question. 'cause like i feel time here because this is great podcasting if in fact the final version of it has the audience. Otherwise i'm just now you're back now. We're back it says somebody says we're back we're back where muted we're back we're back there. It goes okay interesting the fact that they're saying we're good but we still haven't heard from kevin all having his dead. You know what i mean. Kevin there was was that day share coming through so they can't hear anything they can't hear you see okla greg. That's how we should handle this. I think no. It's just when they can't hear you but we can hear you. I would say short and the everything you just said in the three paragraphs one sentence of they can't keep talking. I don't think that's what you said. Well there's no recorded whatever you want you. Can you hear kevin right now. They should be able to hear me. No you're back you're back. You're back what i want to do. Is give dave rooney who apparently killed the stream right afterwards. Said hey guys. See that apex legends. New character has been accused of being stolen from a game. Called bullet ville. So if you mentioned this already. And like i said no. We spent ten minutes talking about Groundhog so we haven't seen it yet. However you. I saw you yelling about this and chat to. I appreciate that. You're so into apex david oni. They talk about us. They talk about is the key areas. It broke late yesterday or something that apparently is and we'll keep our eye on it and see if there's any statements put on there. You go everybody for now. That's not one of the questions ryan answering today. Remember if you appreciate. The dave rooney from la is live and he wanted he needs. He needs to hear people talk about apex visits If you missed the show live of course you don't want to go to patriotdepot dot com slash kinda funny games rooster t dot com podcast services around the globe each every weekday to get a brand spanking new episode of course has as aim no polls show. That's a patriot. But i digress. Braille do housekeeping. There's a new episode of the blessing. Show up right now on youtube. Dot com slash. Kinda funny games. It's all about hitman. I o interactive in james bond. It is once again a banger from lesson roger. A lot of good at its they're Amazing graphic works Even if even a cold open in. I mean look these kids out there too and there's doing crazy stuff tonight. A behind the scenes secret for you guys know that roger and blessing. You're complete phonies. Oh this was actually the they recorded. Wow wow wow do. Y'all feel swindled. Now wow i bet you got out there supporting. I've got the last game. I we have to be the way we are asking. That question only made better by the fact that we have had nonstop audio issues throughout this show and you now sound like you are broadcasting a little league baseball game. Get the out. I sound weird right. Maybe it's just. The chad is freaking out. Like they normally would hear that normal over there guys the next piece of housekeeping for you is of course that there is a resident evil village showcase today hosted by. What's good games is britney. Of course we will be live reacting to it here on twitch dot tv slash kind of funny games. If you have the time to catch it live. If you don't assume team that'll be up on youtube dot com slash kind of funny games on the course. Content is going to be worth every gonna want to know what's happening over there. Thank you to our patriot producers. Blackjack today we're brought to you by purple. But i'll tell you about that later for now. Let's begin the show. With what is an forever will be the rope report. It did at the time six on the roy. Baker doesn't now what does he sound like. Now now he's like a kid at the end of like cardboard doughnuts are normal nails dot. You do not sound normal. Really early season tarsus. Blue number. One team is apple working on vr. Headset mark. gurman over at bloomberg says yes. Apple inc is first crack at a headset is designed to be pricey knee. Be pricey needs precursor. To a more ambitious reality product that will take longer to develop according to people with knowledge of the matter. The initial device has confronted several development hurdles and the company has conservative sales expectations illustrating how challenging. It will be to bring this nancy computer technology to the masses ness as a mostly virtual reality device. It will display an all encompassing three d digital environment for gaming watching video and communicating. Ar functionality the ability overly images and information overview of the real world will be more limited. Apple has planned to launch. The product as soon is twenty. Twenty two going up against facebook's oculus sony's playstation vr headsets from htc core The people said they asked not to be identified discussing private plans apples. Typical playbook involves taking emerging consumer technology such as music players smartphones tablets more watches and making it reliable and easy to use for everyone. This time though apple isn't looking to create an iphone hit. I first headset instead. The company is building a high end niche product That will that will prepare outside developers and consumers for its eventual more mainstream. A are glasses. The plans suggests that apple's first headset will be far more expensive than its rivals. Which cost about three hundred nine hundred dollars. Some apple insiders believe the company may sell only one headset per day per retail store. Apple has roughly five hundred stores so in that scenario annual sales would be just over one hundred eighty thousand units excluding other sales channels. That would put it on par with other pricey apple products such as the six thousand dollar. Mac pro desktop computer an apple spokesperson. The climbed to comment The headset code-named n three zero one is a late prototype is in late prototype stage but is yet what is kevin not yet finalized. Plans is your communication channel. Open this entire time. What are you talking. What communication channels. The fucking dog is your mic. Live the entire here. You and then i hear you like dropping. Something shouldn't be it is you are live. I can hear you. God fuck it not for the kids. Couldn't hear you so good job being fucking professional. You know i'm just letting you know you're the one question is you're doing down joy still selling coming out of a can coming up again. Codename n three zero one is late furnace prototype stage but is not yet finalized. The company's plans could change or be scrapped entirely before launch the glasses code-named n. Four to one are in the early stage known as architecture meaning. Apple is still working on underlying technologies. This product is several years away. According to people through though apple has previously targeted as early as twenty twenty. Three to unveil it headset is designed to work as a standalone device. Meaning it could be operated on a battery rather than plugged into a wall or mac that similar to facebook's latest vr product while sony's requires a playstation gaming console to further reduce the devices. Wait apple is planning on using a fabric exterior. This is a departure from the metal designs apple users for most products though it has used for devices like airpods that needs to be light in fabrics for homepods speaker to improve. Acoustics prototypes of the headset with some of which are about the size of an oculus quest include external cameras to enable some ar features. The company is testing using the cameras for hand tracking and is working on a feature where users can tie virtually in the aired input text. It's unclear if that function would be ready to the first version of the device or if it ever leave the stage by developing a less mainstream initial headset apple can invest in the underlying technologies consumer education content development and developer relations to give its eventual. Ar glasses the best opportunity to be successful when they are ready tim. This is a long report from bloomberg. I cut out a whole bunch of stuff if you want to go over there and read mark gurman stuff but you of course any but you. You're the we both have apple. But you're the big tech guy. What's your read on this apple. Vr headset really interesting. I know in the last couple of months specific last month. There's been a lot of talk about apple getting into something new and announcing a new product and it was going to be a weird announcement is what kept being said. A lot of people thought that cs was gonna be the place they would do it or not do at But ten gently to around. Cas kind of liar when you play will happen next to eat three. It's like shirt still the same thing that ended up not happening so this news coming out. I don't know if this was what that was going to be or not. I am equally surprised and not surprised by this. Like it really is a fifty fifty thing for me where. I am not surprised at all that apple would be getting into this and the way that they're talking about doing it having it be super premium product. I think is the only way apple can now enter the realm of er kind of coming in as being like no no ours is hello fancy and we're apple so what that means and they have millions of people that know what that means. They're not gonna lost after having this because they need to have the newest apple thing right again that is an audience that they could potentially be going after the other. Fifty percent goes This doesn't seem like apples. Mo in modern times like back in the early two thousands. Like bid. Two thousand probably. I could see them. Like hey apple. Stores are such a huge. Hit getting to come here to be able to see and play with the stupid camera. Stuff on the the different amax. You don't tell them down with a moment in time and like that kind of like allowed people to hold an ipod for the first time to eventually get the iphone the ipod touch and all that stuff like that was all part of this cultural zeitgeist experience and having a super super super high quality product in an apple store is par for the course these days the coronavirus and all that stuff kind of changes all of that so that makes it even more like unbelievable to me because yeah this seems like a plan of time yes exactly so. It's like because of all that. I wouldn't be surprised if this never seen the light of day at all and is just a bunch of best laid plans. Gotcha yeah i think when you talk about especially the some apple insiders believe. The company may sell only one headset per day at the retail store. When you think of an apple just like you're talking about it and it was and still doing extent. You know if you had time or you have you know when we were teenagers right and you had time to kill right you go into the apple store and just f- around see what's going on with different computers eventually different ipads and so on is you went on and i feel like if you had this kind of amazing. Vr experience. That's light super high quality way outside of your price range for to actually do it. You'd want people going in there and trying it out but yeah in corona. You can't do that easily. Yeah and honest they could even be the best it just would be the fanciest and most expensive because that's again apple's at show it like i think their audience wouldn't be the people that are that have used the five before yet have never used vr and are like. Oh this is cool. And now apple's doing it so must be a mainstream should know about this is tech that i should be up on right now but again. It is a plan at a time where it's like that would've made sense even a couple of years ago because that experience would be there like remember the sharper image was going just all this like weird stuff like man. This is amazing. Like i hope it actually becomes mainstream one day so little of that actually did because here. It was like super niche. Weird things apple doesn't play that game apple very much plays. The this is ubiquitous ubiquitous. Piece attack that we want in fifty percent of the households. You know like we want to be able to charge two three times the amount we should for it and people will pay it. Because that's what they do just did with their headphones. Yeah i was gonna ask. Have you looked into those headphones. Do you have any interest in those headphones. Because i feel like i have those interests are made specifically for you and it's like so you only get them. I mean they're five fifty. It's ridiculous for what they are. No no no fuck that. I will never ever ever pay even near full price for those if i can get them for half off even then i'd have to consider it because that's the thing is like there's not only are they not the best. They are like double the price essentially of the standard right. Now which are the. Sony's the sony wireless ear headphones. Those are amazing. So it's kind of like a a hard sell to get these even though they're beautiful but they have this dumb ass charging case thing looking at w charging or it's not it puts into sleep in the case right charges. You yeah you can charge with the case like through the case but anyways the i very interested in these headphones because i think that apple does a pretty good job with alive. It's high end stuff having said that was never the best job so i'm interested. We'll never buy them for that much money. And i don't think they're going to drop in price anytime soon. I think i mean not only. Do i think i know they are sold out for months. Now even if. I wanted to get when i couldn't so people are bucking buying these things it's crazy. Yeah the apple vr headset. It just doesn't. I don't know it doesn't strike me as something they'd really investigate and go for. It does in a way because like you show these headphones. And i'm like that's so isn't what i think of when i think of apple that yeah there's vr. Headset would be something as well. But i wouldn't think of them doing. But i like this idea of isla getting. Ar glasses glasses where who loves his glasses. I want air one day. I'm always when amazon announced the amazon. A alexa glasses. I got excited for second. I realized it was just a fucking microphone and speaker in the guy. Go frames right. Like i want overlays. I want a heads up display on my glasses or the option for it. So i'm excited to see us. Get their push towards a are but the thing is just such a weird thing like i just don't especially in the current timeframe of doing it this way i i'd like to see you know. Vr obviously have a bigger mainstream breakthrough. I think the quest is doing a decent job of moving towards it Obviously being you know something you just put on and go and to set up the cameras after attached to a pc after attached playstation. But yeah. I don't know what to make of this one now. It's interesting but like i said being fifty fifty on it. I would still bet on the side of actually going to happen. I would to sticking. Let's ask another question then if something that might be happening number two on the rope report is ten cent going to buy a gaming company. It would look to be that way. will hershey from around hill investments. tweeted yes this morning right. Yeah this morning seven thirty. Am ten is reportedly raising several billion dollars to buy a us or korean gaming company and guesses as to the potential target We'll hershey from round hill. Events investments round hill vestments. Twitter went on to say ten cent considering debt financing for possible gaming deal ten looking at a potential acquisition of gaming business according to the mta almost tnt finance which we do The target has not been identified but is expected to be a gaming company in the us or south korea on top of all that To will her. she's tweet. Daniel ahmad responded of course daniel ahmad industry analysts quote alzheimer's this show and said i have a good guess in left at that. This is one of those for me personally. Outside of my ballpark. You know what i mean like or my pay grade. I think we could sit here all day. Long and pick. Us things we think tencent goodbye. I mean they already have so many interests so many different. Us companies I could not so you anything of what they would. They might be out buying korea. This is much more of a. Hey this is happening over here. Be aware of it because when it happens gonna be big news you too. Yeah totally. i'm right there with you. I do think that there's a much higher chance of it. Being korean than toadying a. Us company that we are familiar with. But you the money did it could be. And that's the thing about it. Where when you talk about ten cents slowly. As i said for years as they've gone in entrench themselves in bought shares of so many different video game companies in some of them full on a out the money they have behind them. Yeah what would they come to american. By what one company would snatch up have be fully under their brand. Don't own you just list developers or gaming companies even that makes sense but hey watch that that could be happening. That'll be interesting. If it happens and it would be big news. Yeah speaking of big news on this question. Episode number three valve. Well they're still making games. That's the apparently jordan dodgy and has this report in an interview with new zealand's one news valve boss. Gabe newell has said that multiple games are in development at the studio and are waiting to be announced. The valve co founder has been staying in new zealand during the covid nineteen pandemic after taking a vacation. They're following the launch of half-lives alex. Imagine just being gabe newell rich. I'm gonna go on vacation in new zealand. This place is great. Hey there's a global pandemic cool. I'll just stay here. Nobody whatever. I'll just buy probably all new amazing computers. And tv's and everything else and he premier what i back to the interview of quote. We definitely have games in development that we're going to be announcing it's fun to ship games. The all said when asked about future games coming out of vows valve has developed and subsequently cancelled a lot of games in the past including several versions of half life three The fact that new will specifically says these new games will be announced suggests a shift from the company's recent history of being a reticent to release new software newell also spoke about the process of creating half-life alex and valves return to single player quote. Alex was great to be back doing single player games that created a lot of momentum inside the company to do more of that timothy. How much does valve mean to you. valve means less to me than it does to many others but like to be a really means portal. And you know it's a lot of it means a lot of my friends and my close circles of counterstrike and all that stuff and you know how big one point six was leading into eventually source all that after that For me photo wanted to where where the dream you know. Leopard dad was a very fun summer. But i'm more interested in the fact that newell here is even saying these things these reports that get you in trouble. If ben of not being true or at least you know misused over the next couple years as like well. They said this. I if they have cable santo and they killed the game. Where's this happening. Yeah that's stocks man. God's come on yes look the waterman beautiful but I i'm a little surprised at that. He would come out and say things like this like. There's a lot of info in this quote here multiple games and they're excited to a now like that's sounds imminent. Yeah and you know that. That sounds like they're talking about the next year. And a half of like by the end of twenty twenty two talking about new valve games. And you know. Come into whether it's pc console both vr. Like then be multiple games. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a mix of this of that. Yeah i don. I asked this question. Because when i started i in twenty two thousand seven twenty seven. A valve walked on water. You know what i mean. That was right around orange box. Obviously portal taken away from any of these games but like they were so entrenched in a pc legacy that it never really spoke to me on that level obviously obviously i'll adore portal to In so it's been interesting. I feel the industry in a way. I should say the industry video game. Fandom in a way has become more like me. we're even when i got there and people are all over them. It was like i didn't have a connection to them. And i feel like as time has gone on more. People have become like me. Where yeah you know about how great half life is okay portal. You enjoy left at whatever but it is more of the thing of. What have you done for me lately. In a way that it's just become steam which you totally understand in. So i i think backs even my career. When gabe newell came on stage at that playstation. Three three ever was ridiculous. That was you know what i mean. After he had he had talked someone shit about the three to come out and be on stage. They're like that was a moment. But like now. I don't like i don't know if it's the industry has changed so much or if it's just vows place in the industry has changed so much shifted to being more of a service than a game developer that i wanna be like you know if if he gave you a popped up during a state of play playstation like other bringing steam somehow to playstation. It wouldn't be about a big deal in the same way for me. And i don't know how many people are still here. You know anchored in it It mods in the chat run. A poll does valve matter to you as a developer. I wanna see that. I see what you're saying and i think that you're right to an extent the devil's advocate side to it. Where i think that more than ever the difference between council. Pc gamers is almost non-existent where there is so much more crossover than ever and especially with how hard xbox has been pushing their game. Pass being both all that stuff like c.'s. and everything is like you don't really need the highest. Pc able to play video games nowadays. Be sheriff just got to a technological point that good enough is good enough for so many different experiences. So i imagine that if i were to come out and do something. New from was pc. Based i think that it would mean a lot more to console players than ever before despite there being the decade plus drought of actual software releases from valve. I think i think equally to the amount of people that it used to be something to and then kind of like went away can come back instantly. And i think that they can immediately be looked at by people like us. That aren't necessarily the most tied into the original half life experience. I think that they can get in definitely extremely easy with next gen or with pc with the way things are nowadays. Sure so do you think then is the only thing that stood in the way of life alex being a bigger deal the fact that it was vr. Or do you think that like the amount of time half life was on ice. Meant something to the amount of time on is meant anything. I think the fact that it wasn't called half life three did and vr million percent. That's just they knew what they were doing. Their the limited the amount of people that can play but making a very specific experience for those people have ballots just exist in total bubble to be where like that is a game. It is not a video game like it is. I mean you know what i mean. It is a video game but it is not a. That's not in the same breath as half life wanted to. It is a different product. So i imagine if they were to put out a half life product that was an actual traditional game. I think it would have gotten a lot more attention. And obviously alec's got a lot of positive attention but it didn't get the most positive attention and that's just limited to vr and the fact that that is a game that not any pc can run interesting. Yeah yeah. I don't know it's so weird. I wonder you know you talk about how easy would be able to get people back in your right. I guess i guess in a way stick with me. I feel we look at by aware. Now bethesda cd's project read right and we see these these developers slash publishers. Where i'm going to say that. Have made missteps in their legacies tarnish right. They're no longer bulletproof. They're no longer squeaky clean. I feel like valves vow vows clout has gone down. In the eyes of the gamer. I would say and this is making up on top of my head. If you've toda with you again. There is a poll running right. Now you can get in on. The current does valve matter to you. It's in your twitch chat right now. I feel like it's the same thing here where they just lost caught. They've lost something. And i'm not taking away from what they've done with steam. Obviously i think they've pivoted that become bigger behind the scenes player in the same way or i guess not in the same way i would think then of how epic is such a behind the scenes player but they also fortnight front and center that is doing so much and changing so much and i know obviously you can make the argument for doda and things like that unveils things. Well i mean you could make that argument. Yeah that's a different ecosystem. I mean i even say that the doda and like mobilize are just as different as your game. Compared to traditional games they are very specifically a pc focused style of video. Games is very popular but is not necessarily something that goes hand in hand with consul players concert as mainstream gamers. But i don't know if clouds the right word. Because i think you're right that obviously there at the level of the way we talk about naughty dog now like people are necessarily tom about steam because they haven't released anything in a very long time before you talk about in that way but don't think they haven't lost anything was no giant misstep and i think that if there was even small misteps i think that the conversation would be a little bit different but they can come out tomorrow and released a banger game and all of a sudden. They're right up there with naughty dog again. I think the ship would be that easy. Because for the newbies like us using that term very lightly share but not we're not from the ecosystem where valve mattered the most established its fan base and created all that then i can imagine. Oh this cutter with three where it's like a lot of people didn't play here too but then all of a sudden it's like oh shit but if they were to play cyberpunk now it'd be like man all your she's gone like steam hasn't had a cyberpunk and hopefully never will sure shishir and if they came out and their next game was a ridiculous whether it's a new ip or a sequel to one of the franchises. We we want to see again like imagine a three of what that could be. That would can love another portal. It'd be insane. But i also mentioned them coming out with some new ip. And it's just fucking hotness. Maybe in the valley of the in the valley. Of god's you know what i mean. Maybe let them finish in. That game could be great finish. Yeah that's the thing is. I hope it's an interesting conversation. And somebody in the obviously the chats really moving quickly set in their. This is so much more than a yes or no question. Which of course is right and i think it matters you know. It will change gaber to gamer to gamer. And if we are on the pc gamer dot com. Podcast i'm sure there would be a poll. Wanted end like a dead. The official which ends does valve matter to us. Dev no sixty nine percent of you voted. No they don't matter use a developer. Thirty one percents and yes they do. Matter of fact zeiger quickly points out six nine percent nice any given any given channel any given day those numbers would vary and who you have on there and what you're doing whatever and it's just an interesting argument but i'm with him that yeah i guess at the end of this i think they have the talent and they have the pedigree that yeah if they just came out and did i enjoyed half-life alex right. I do think that it's i'm with you where i know you know. So many people on game of the year list whether it was game whether it was something kind of funny whether it was like. Oh man guessing. Play half-life alex. It's like no i did play half life. Alex and i love i love. Vr games and have a great vr game. But it's still vr game like it doesn't it isn't it. I don't feel like a is not a video game. That's out there competing with something like the last of us animal crossing any of the other. Haiti's ghosts shema the games that we got last year. And i know that sacrilege would piss a whole bunch of people often. I know you know. Daniel don't wire and i did a review on the games cass. Win half-life alex came. He talked about like crying during it. Right like that i think is having that connection to the source material and you know the series backwards and forwards. I got end of it. I was like. I think i know what's happening here. That's cool but that's the thing too. Is i ended half-life alex being like i would definitely wanna play the next half life. I hope it goes back to being a first person game on a pc or hopefully console as well. But i'd be down to see what they're doing with their universe now where they're going with their narrative the you're saying i guess it every they are just you know one good hit away one big one big more accessible game for everybody away from being back on that badagry back in that lot of being naughty dog of being whoever it happens but i don't think it's going woven you don't think the come back it's this new thing of like. They know that they're you know. They're single player. Games that create a lot of momentum inside the company do more of that. I think that's the biggest thing is i don't know if you get. I think for half life three in particular like they got in their own heads of we have to follow this game up and we know it needs to be better than half life two or half the episodes and i think that that weighs on you as you try to outdo yourself from before and you start second guessing yourself in question if this is worth it and when you're valve making more money than god off steam you can go. You know what cancel it. We're not going to do it. I think it is a publisher parish kind of situation like i i'd like i would rather i i guess that's the biggest thing about it. Go full circle on this conversation. It's just been talking video games. Hi everybody that's what we all kind of funny games daily to talk about tarnish tarnishing rep tarnished reputation of bio where bethesda cd project read. I'm happy that happened. Like i wish all the came out. And we're tanzania ruse amazing game. The but i also don't like the idea of developers let alone not even people but just the brand being infallible and never having something that you're that you're not gonna miss on the the the you think everything's gonna come out and be ten out of ten like i'd rather i think they would to not in the moment. But in the aftermath be able to be fallible. it'd be able to be human beings. Yeah these are creative people in choices we're gonna make. You may not like them in. Maybe the game doesn't come together and there's a whole bunch of different things there but like i think that's what stood involves way is that they've had this pristine reputation they get up to that point where they're gonna go. You're shaking your head. No no no. I think there are certain certain deb's that need to be held to a higher standard based on so much at least budget right. It's like those games. There's expectations there for a reason. So i say hold them to it. Well i mean no no. I'm not saying they shouldn't be held to it. I'm not saying they should be given a pass. I'm just saying that. I think in the long term. A failure helps build the company in the same way or a different way. I should say then nonstop success. I think every humble-pie some point. Yeah yeah i guess that's what i'm saying. I'm not saying my wear bethesda roger. They've been good in the past. Oh no big deal that they lied to you and soldier this broken game. No no no. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying like no. You need to take your fucking lumps in then changing in grow from that and not feel. It's the same thing in jason's bloomberg article about a cyberpunk in van in the bio ware stuff from Anthem of this being there. There's this cd project. There's this by aware magic and that's what's going to bring everything together in the end while they both fucked up and failed now so you hope that that changes everything through it so they understand that no we. We are humans. Were not gods. We need to make this happen. This way whereas i think valve did so well and so well and so and so well they got to a point that this is up to our standards cancel. It is like would that. And i'm not in. And i'm not even saying that that game would have been a seventy six or anthem or whatever. I'm saying that game might have been innate in you. An eight three on. Gm like is that worth tossing the baby out with the bathwater. No like let people go out and try something iterating change. Yeah yeah we'll see. I don't know if that's even though they're saying this. I'm going to be shocked if we get another. If we get a software announcement from valve in the next two years oo alright. I like that. They pulled on him. number four on the rope report i guess former president. Donald trump still banned on twitch. This is matt cam over an aegean shortly. Following the inauguration of joseph biden as the united states new president twitch announced it has indefinitely maintained its suspension of former president donald trump's twitch channel quote due to the ongoing risk of further incitement of violence The decision to definitely suspend the account comes as the company endeavors to remove the potential for harm to our community and the general public following the company's previous move to disable the channel earlier in the month of january seventh. You the full statement for twist reads. We have indefinitely suspended president. Trump's twitch channel due to the ongoing risk of further incitement of violence. The president's statements continue to be interpreted as calls to action and we are taking the action to remove potential for harm to our community ama- general public. Which has clear rules that prohibit eightfold conduct harassment or incitement of violence on our service and we consider off service events When making enforcement decisions however the events of the past weeks have highlighted a gap with respect to rhetoric that encourages violence regardless of whether or not as directly stream on twitch. We will be updating our policies as a result of our consideration of this situation. End quote good riddance. Stay on totally of so weird to me go for. I like the idea that their spelling out of you know. The highlight of the gap between rhetoric that encourages violence regardless of whether it's on twitter. Not exactly you're going asshole anywhere else in your then you're gonna come on. Be on twitter up. Get fucked son. Get the hell out of here. Know that and that's the thing. Is it sucks that it took everything that it did to get to this point. But i am happy that once it kinda got pushed over the cliff it just snowballed and everyone was just like nope you're gone and all it took was for that to happen. Took way too long. But for that to happen i do think that going forward. It's not just going to be trump. it's going to be a lot of other people too. Yep this is definitely making a policy so yes when somebody shoots their mouth off on twitter or says something horrible on youtube which can be like. Cool your band to your indefinitely suspended right like we don't have to worry about. You can take the trash out finally interesting times ahead. Exactly kevin number five on the report. Why are among us savings killing it today. I love you. There's a great reddit thread about you. Kevin how amazing you are. And i agree with it very much number five on the rope wire among us up taking so long. This is a blog from the among us developers They listed a couple of things. That are coming still and then get into it so twenty twenty one roadmap now that we've wrapped up a lot of stuff for the holidays we're looking to be more transparent about what we're launching and the expected order by making a public road map. It won't updates until we know we can hit them but it'll be a place to find out what to look forward to I more than that soon. Then accounts we wanted to launch this earlier in. We're and we're close but we wanna make sure it isn't half-baked before implementing parentheses. Trust me. you do not wanna bad reporting system with no accountability behind it. The first update for this is primarily focused on moderation a stated in the previous devil log. An we're hoping to get this out asap. This is a small step towards ensuring everyone playing the game as a safe and welcoming experience. We've heard all your quest for things like a friend system save stats and so on but for now this will be the first thing available then as the question i asked you why these things taking so long. They wrote this among us. Gamed gained intrepid incredible traction pretty late into twenty twenty that we weren't expecting and that meant a lot of change for us not to dive into too much organizational stuff. But not only do we need to switch back to working on among us after thinking it was done but we also need to set ourselves up more sustainably to work on the game. We had to spend two months just restructuring figuring out new processes and getting external partners to help manage onboard. Help us manage onboard originally. It was just three friends working to get together these now. I'm here to make it four high but if we wanted this to work long term and higher up. We need to streamline things. It's all behind the scenes. Work and while at mit time away from the game it will make it easier for current and future us back current feature us to develop the game better not to mention additional platforms like nintendo switch. Xbox means more support certifications go through and whatnot. We have helped from our partners for that. But it's still means we need to make sure future things we do are supported on this platforms. There's a ton of other things out of our control. Legal issues meetings planning So sometimes these things will take longer as well tim. Do you see among us. Being a continued trend throughout twenty twenty one. I struggled to bud. I also can't imagine it not being like. That's the thing is i among us is something i just don't understand. I've watched a couple of streams. And i'm just like i don't get how this became as viral as it did shad continuously enjoyed by people both from a content creation game play and You know viewer point of view. But i love everything i'm hearing here. I think that their transparency and all that stuff everything that they're saying leads to definitely a chance avaiable chance at success of continuing their growth over the next year. They're making the right decisions hunkering down taking the break that they need to be able to strengthen the foundation to then go forward and go to these different platforms and do it right and nail it across the board like everything about that. That's right you know. There's not a misstep in this to me. Yeah it's gonna be fascinating to see what that community is looking for. And if they'll stay around for because the as you say continues to go on you know worth pointing out tomorrow. A blessing myself mike. Mike are joining a alana colleagues and stella over an eugene fries. She ends among a stream seven. Pm pacific is raising funds for child's play the obviously games industry charity. That you should all know. And if you don't come on over tomorrow. Is jan dot com friday january twenty second seven pm but i thought it would not only this in a bad way burnt out a bit by now the fact that there are so many so many streams going there are still these charities streams and i think some of that is tied up obviously in it. Being covid in. This is such an easy way to go. Hang out with your friends right. It reminds me so much when we would sit around and play the jack box party games in do those little party mode right and play the lying one on this or whatever the hell it was called in. Is that the one where the guy in the really good at lying faking it. That's the one era. Faking it with so much fun but faking it was like holding up your hands and doing all these things in you know being in the same room as each other whereas this one isn't about that it is running around so lying to each other and having fun with each other but it's simple enough but then there's enough game mechanics in there. I think interesting. So that making a fake arguments with each other Guess washington us. Yeah i mean looking at the numbers now twitch right now at ten forty eight. am This beautiful january twenty first. Twenty twenty one Fall guys at five point nine k concurrent viewers on twitch and among us at sixty one point four k a lot. And so yeah. It'll be interesting. How fast the updates out and if they lose people but coming to new platforms and all that stuff helps do so among is going to be interesting to watch throughout the year as we figure out what's going on with it came back baby indeed right and then finally number six on the rover report. It's good news from kevin gamespot. According to intends website super. Mario three d world plus bouncers. Fury ways ended only two point nine gigabytes. This is naturally larger than the we you've versions files is likely due the extra content. The contains but it's much smaller than many other switch games. For comparison even super. Mario three all-stars up nearly five gigabytes of space. They're excited jack. You played. I played a bunch of it at all. I made you. I made us. Let's places yeah me and restore remember. Can ace i. I really enjoyed my plate. And i never played it on we use. I'm excited to get back to this. You So so excited. I never one hundred percent of three d worlds. I got fairly close. I think like. I got like the special world stop and i was like making all the way through that But i i'm hoping to do that on the switch version especially with this new content and excited to see what it has in store once that it's coming up soon right february twelfth run around counting down or anything speaking of around the corner greg way you can go to patriot dot com slash kind of funny games. Of course the right into be part of the show just for get to show with that their poche show but more importantly for right. Now that's where you go to get the show ad free and speaking of ads. 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And i was like maybe forty five minutes in and i was like no way i can play tonight without like staying up super late so sure. Well yeah i'm going to put out a message. i think. See who wants to care. You know you had liked to to play. There's a lot of things they play. I need to wash tonight say Game pass additions. Today are out on. the cloud. Don't county on cloud causal on pc desperado. Three on cloud council pc in control new dates for you all deuce Beyond cronos is on steam. Vr friday february nineteenth and playstation vr. Thursday april fifteenth. Okay terry can Flashback is coming in ten to switch and playstation four on january. Twenty ninth and then auto chest comes to. Ps four january twenty seventh. Woo woo in a lot of words last day. Was there's a lot of stuff there. A lot of switch games. We all over it. We did we had to do. The job is pending. Depending groundhog says they might need to change all these days. Because they might not anymore we have to ask. 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Don't even need to speak to interact lowell. Also if you plan to play neck one or two in the future if you add me in wait a month or so. You should get better loot when you play. I want every single time with us squad up to happen. Nice little background vet of music. they can. yeah they can't hear that just adds up. I couldn't hear it either very low. It's going back on here now. If you are a sociopath like katie gee and they're gonna play and platinum knack it up jedburg one one one look. I've never even looked into the net. I've never looked into the net plaque neck platinum. I didn't know you you look at from each other. Sounds like this. Sounds like you're on the playstation vita forty minutes with kim. He said an hour as in you can get the platinum in an our to which. I responded in forty five minutes. That's not true you've never looked into his. So how would you fucking now. I'll tell you right now g if it turns out i'm getting the platinum forty five minutes you might have greg miller out there playing with the oland a second own line you need to do knack onstream you gotta platinum knack onstream. It's not true. We just made it up greg. They'll get okay. You got me all excited about that. Come on now. Takes over a hundred. Says travis moore is different than what would you do that. Why would you do that. Katy why would you go here. I'm going to playstation show we out. Or what do they say here. They approximate time to platinum. Is thirty five plus hours. We you know we'd like to go back and forth. You have it at an hour. You have it at one hundred hours. He's somewhere in. There's going to be the truth. Usually one hundred thirty plus tim. You're right all right you crush that one. I want you to know that a very prodi we asked people watch live on twitter. Dot tv slash. Funny games go to kinda funny dot com slash. 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WSTR: Week of March 24, 2019

The Weekly Security and Tech Review

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WSTR: Week of March 24, 2019

"Welcome to the weekly security tech review for the week of March twenty fifth two thousand nineteen I'm Jesse l'esperance. I'm Stanley Shyam Kevin Campbell in. We are your hosts this week. We have Robert Smith joining us as a guest host Robby. Would you like to introduce yourself briefly? Hey, everyone, I'm Robert Smith. But I go by Robbie has justly just said, I'm a web developer out of Waco, Texas, and I've been doing it for ten years or so now and non Jeffey for almost eight years seven eight years somewhere in that range. So just glad to be on call awesome. All right. You can subscribe to the podcast and finding digital episodes and find out more about the hosts by going to our website at WWW dot the W S T R dot com. Are you can follow us on Twitter with the handle at the W S T R podcast. Find his son, I tunes podcast, Google podcast and Spotify podcasts if you'd like to send feedback to the show or would just like to get in touch with us. You can Email us at feedback at the W S T E R dot com. If you enjoyed the plot Kassim would like to become more involved with the show or Gaiman early access to all the episodes, then go to visit our page beyond page at patriotair dot com slash W, S T R and become a patron. We have several different membership levels each with their own set of perks this week. We'd like to think Tony Ramos for becoming our first patron who came in at the producer level. All right to start off this week. We're gonna start off by discussing the FEMA daily that was reported last week. So the office of the inspector general of the S issued a report last Friday that detailed health FEMA had used inappropriate safeguards on personal identifiable information for two point three million survivors of hurricanes Harvey Irma and Maria along with the California wildfires of two thousand seventeen. Fema offers a program called transitional sheltering assistance program provides shelter to disaster survivors on an ongoing basis FEMA due to a lack of appropriate safeguards on the personal information of disaster survivors, share the disaster survivors, personal information, including Bank account information to the contractor managing the program. According to the advisory titled management alert FEMA did not safeguard disaster, survivors, personally, identifiable information. In addition to the mandated data, the FEMA is required to provide the contractor FEMA provided twenty unnecessary data fields with the most alarming being address information along with Bank name electric fund transfer number and banked transit numbers. Fema stated that they've started investigation into the privacy breach in a working to determine if there's any day to expose dude. Yvonne rebuild these in the contractors. System. There's a lot to unwrap here, especially that it's a federal agency and they willingly handed over Bank information, and seemingly unknowingly at that. So there's definitely some breakdown in their process. But it also makes me wonder what their audit processes of looked like if this has been the case to me that just it seems very mentally and what they've allowed to happen. It just seems you know, there should have had more in place in order to mitigate these risks. And they didn't and it's hard to accept something. Like that. For me because this federal right? So let's say from from outside is that we can touch on this case old that let it go. This is my concern. So so this case is being investigated by the Bartman of homeland security, and they're the ones that kind of reported on this. So now, it's going to be under them. There was some recommendations that they use better safeguards in place. But there was no details on what the safeguards were. But there's the safeguards on protecting data that's being stood for. But this wasn't an issue that somebody got access to the data. This was an issue where they willingly ahead unknowingly just David away. And and you can't protect a process like that with a piece of technology. That's a human writing a pipeline. You're not gonna stop that. And you know from a technology perspective because it's being done by human. It's not as if somebody broke in and got into it because you didn't encrypt it you need it or through a normal system. So it's a privacy breach. In the fact that they violated people's privacy. But there's no technical control. You're gonna be able to put in place. This is more of a people process. And you know, it can sure that you are only providing the data pieces that you're required to and never provide anything more. I I wonder if FEMA hasn't resources to provide all the affected record personnel. The three consumer leaked like at the thought production becomes like that this is kind of a of the opium breach. Maybe maybe about ago spent. And I'm not I can't remember the numbers, the opium breach. But a one of the things that did for for the affected people Zeh provide them, they're identity protection. Or done any monitoring services. Some wonder if FEMA has resources to do that. I I don't expect FEMA to be as Florida's e. OPM? Yeah. I'm not sure that I think a lot of that comes down to potentially. What funding they may be getting in how much of that they have to divert towards dealing with this. Or is this going to be dealt with by a different group within the government? B because it would it would definitely seem that you know, FEMA is probably not able to adequately handle this on their own without some extra guidance. Or sure I do not I do not think they are capable of. I mean, it's hard in that aspect because it is a government run. It's it's agency. Thank you. And it it people just are they have to have a lot of faith in something like that expecting it to just work without problems. And then when something happens like that people a lot of people have a hard time using these instances like this to change their opinion on the matter and just wanted people. Just don't have fear for these types of issues. It's awesome up publicized right ally. Like when when you when we think of organizations are or anything failing we think like public organizations companies and stuff that something like, this is a is a breach as a breach of privacy for sure. And it's from a government agency. Absolutely. Absolutely. For me. Look at the other perspective people poor at their she meant at disaster. And it comes to depend on a Goldman help. And you know, and things, you know, get into their head again. So that you know, they're worried about all this. There's acuity thing so spread out across the. The globe. So that's dope, boys. Stand it for them. So that's why I feel sorry for those folks there won't performed below. Absolutely. That's the word perfect. So just people feeding on vulnerable people and unfortunate. Yeah. So, but to what what what can be an, you know, as anything else that'd be can, you know, do again input? All the other things just trying to figure out how we're gonna do notification. Because you know, like these guys experiences authored do they know where their addresses like new address even? Well, my guess is they're going to do the investigation at the contractor site. Like they've already started. And if they've determined. There was no improper data access legitimately or illegitimately. This'll be a non issue from the privacy side, only if there's been some type of access to that data. Will it be a concern because it hasn't been accessed? It doesn't matter that it's sitting in somebody else's system, especially if they're data handling process is decent. So, you know, the real question is has anybody even looked at the data or did it just get shared over there and was discovered in a report because somebody audited system, but it was never never abused in any way at which point. It becomes a lot less significant issue versus now people's banking information's out there where people can now just take money out of those accounts. Yep. Alright STAN was Microsoft got going on some legs off release about log posts detailing how they're Microsoft defender product, formerly windows, offender has a through Microsoft the thunder. They're able to the tech. A vulnerable driver that injected a process injected itself injected malicious code into a user space process and execute a user code. So what they what they found out was a Wally driver. How does owner building that was exploited and? The malicious code injected itself. Into more of the hallway suite of utilities. So this is stuff similar to like, you know, Dylan Novo when you when you get a novel web top there'll be like Lenovo drivers and stuff installed in a will never software suite to manage drivers. And it is and stuff like that where it's otherwise, trusted and also signed. That you believe that users mostly believe, it's safe. But unfortunately, the seems to be a popular path for malicious actors to start exploiting because the this is reasonably trustworthy, code the could be exploited a very like provincial privileged level. So what what happened was the windows. Ten Colonel now has new sensors to detect when. To detect when kernel code interacts with user level code. And they I saw this through a windows windows defender. Marcel defender alert is said injection of potentially malicious code from Colonel processing kernel memory injected code into another process to skip the part of an attempt to stealthily run malicious code in the context of the target process. So like stuff like confidence and double pulsar. Executed a dry exploited a driver to execute to insert code into a user user executable section of L fast. So like this this is a novel. It's just a difficulty detecting that, hey, this is a kernel level threat because it's running as driver, I b because it originated from driver. So the the Marhsall team were trying to investigate this and going like, oh, where's this coming from? And they there aren't a problem because things actually from the Colonel are a synchronous, so they couldn't necessarily get like even Thatta, but they're able to see that moments before the Lert that they got a bunch of claw way related software wasn't stalled. And this was related to the driver in Walworth, suite of utilities and three they found that. The code. Was execute was horrible. And they report they reported to why way got the CV number. Let me find CV twenty nineteen five to four one and on January ninth feels patched, and I guess this is just kind of like a detailing of. After the fact of like, hey, this kind of threat can become like a pretty big deal worry about. To to Microsoft. So that they found that early. Right. So with in two months. I want to know surly say they found early. I I would I would applaud Microsoft for having the capability to. Instruments to to monitor and like to monitor what goes on in their Colonel now is this is definitely a win. It's ten feature. Previously. Like, I I'm not familiar with how previous utilities are processes inspected. The Colonel or use it to execute other code. Definitely makes me feel like we should have covered. The what the highway stuff for the EU was. Well now since this is tied into that. But that's what I was gonna play something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That is such a huge reaching topic though. I mean, we can talk about it like. That one is just though deep because there's the implications of what it means for how as a company, it means what it means for their practices. Their ability to be in the EU, and then the lack of scrutiny the same level of scrutiny to US based companies like there's a lot there. And there was no Chinese back in there. Which is why it's been banned in the government. Like, there's there's a lot that we can talk about on that one. Right, right. We need to we need to boot that to one of the discussion series. We do the one topic for a thirty minute discussion. Because I think that one's big enough with all the aspects for sure I do have to mention that. While we did patch. Once it was reported Halawa. Did patch their dirty Tillery, tools and drivers? So like. They they the carry out there par- process. It's just making sure that the manufacturers themselves follow best practices how long ago did they rename windows defender to Microsoft Davinder, literally like two weeks ago. Yeah, it was pretty Retha. So conspiracy theory and being anti Microsoft would likelihood they discovered dislike say three weeks ago and held onto its make first major thing into the new rebranding better publicity. Well, I think I think. As as a as a factor. I mean, I wouldn't add on that thing for a little while just so that they could get it to where. Where they could they could get the news out there under the new name as like not significant enough to, you know, make a. I'm not sure if it's enough to make a talk about this in a conference, but like it is definitely newsworthy in the blog or significant enough to rebrand due to whatever I mean, the the whole conspiracy thought, and but you know, I could keep going on and on. But you know, this is this is how does that we could go on about conspiracies on this all day long. I mean. I love your thoughts. The switch though from conspiracy to rely scrambling. Indeed. Real life situations. So I'm last Tuesday, the F T C ordered seven companies which were eighteen t AT and T mobility. Comcast xfinity, Google fiber t mobile Verizon communications and sell co which is is in wireless to outline in what data they collect. And what they're using that data for and how transparent they are with their consumers about their data practices. The FTC is initialising study because they want to gain a better understanding of how I s p privacy practices work due to the blue tion of telecom companies moving into more vertically integrated platforms that also provide advertising supported content. The FTC is specifically they're looking for categories of personal information collected copies of which disclosures are shown to consumers around the data collection process. In the purpose behind collecting certain categories of data of they've provided these individuals if forty five day time line for compliance, which is interesting because back in two thousand fifteen varieties in themselves drew flak for ad targeting program that relied on a supercrew identifier. That was being inserted into the web requests that user sent. But more recently two thousand eighteen reports were also emerged during the all four major US sell terriers or selling real time location data to companies like location, smart zoo, Mingo, and, you know, a couple of others like that. So. Yeah. The interesting thing here is is it looks like the FTC is trying to at least make an attempt to get a better understanding of what currently happens so that they can evaluate how they should modify the rules in the laws and regulations based on and our everything has evolved over the last several decades. Which is a bit forward thinking for a federal agency. If it really forward thinking at though because it's it's happened for so long. Exactly. I'm with you on that Rover is always too late. Right since two thousand fifteen exactly I think, the the were file thing is once stiff hopefully doesn't formation is publicly available, right? Like these are seven major carriers. So the major ISP provided some dryness bees where like, you know, I use one of them a lot of the people is one of the bunch of them, and they are pretty dominant like in the, you know, these are two big major players throughout entire country. And if this infringement we may public. It'd be useful asleep. What they are collecting because it is a source. Right. It is they are d. They're not necessarily to back when I guess they might be like the last mile providers for insurance service, and they they have insight to to all of our activities unsually. So I wonder if they report will be released details what they collect. And how they monetize it. I'm not even sure if they're going to do that. But like what one finishing a those? You know, there are privacy implications for sure and if they can even like strip us all information because most Muslim web traffic most web traffic that as per super personal is not playing Texan anymore. Shouldn't be exactly but still the fear is, you know, in my mind that. What what what are they collecting? And that's you know, my my allowed to send a message over Skype. Discord whatever that I feel like I shouldn't be could be something bad or something, you know, like along those lines. But you know, if they're monitoring this it feels like you could get to potential minority report type situation. I don't want them like looking at all my stuff and making best guesses on my data. But it's also fascinating right because. I don't think of all the advertisers to data collection, advertisers, be worried about I think the, you know, once you've authenticated and stuff like that is the one. That's more scary. Like, we will on Facebook. Right. Sure. Sure. Because they actually do have like clear insight into what you're doing as opposed to ISP where picking at scraps, really. Of course, the the changes it can directly inject things into at areas in your browser. They've done that you know, like. AT and T historically injected things into Tacoma. What traffic? So fear. Whereas getting Google and Facebook can't really do that. Right. Sure. The you know, it's still kinda kinda still brings out the conspiracy theory in you what they you know, digitally. We think so my fear is if I keep on going I'm going to kind of sound more along those routes. So I'm just gonna let you speak for a minute on this. And no doubt at the conspiracy theory side of it. There is a worst case scenario of things for sure absolutely absolutely. I mean, it just the fear of you know. It's kind of losing that freedom of being able to, you know, not necessarily have someone leaking on your what you're doing. Or what you're seeing and things like that. So well, I mean, and it really depends on what you they or what they classify as personal information to. Sure, they very well could be talking very much less about data inactivity as much as information. They're collecting about you like, you know, ethnicity and stuff that they can then use for bias. Reich is that seems to be the major theme. These days is everything's building bias off of something because somebody using one of those pieces and demographics. True. But the FTC I mean, they they've been going after these guys for a while. I mean what last couple years at least two three years AT and T is been losing to the FTC in court everything from deceptive plans to other issues. So it just. Kind of the nice thing is as companies are kinda getting bigger, and you start worrying about the monopoly seems the scrutiny from the federal government side is not going away at least from some agencies that. Unfortunately, like companies got larger as well. They can there there is a monetary aspect where they can just. It it the cost of whatever finds. I get. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Like, you know in the EU, Google just eats up. Regarding privacy in collections and stuff like that. So what what is that mitt doesn't bother them when they're they're find out the they make so much more money. The fines are. Peanuts. Then right operational costs. You know? Actually, factored into their costs as enabled them to do whatever they want to skirt around just pay pay it and get get rid of it. You know? Then then there's no way for them to stop. Then. Then if keep continuing that's the mother investor well, hopefully after a final change some their processes, but there's no guarantee. Yeah. You know, a company can always promise you something. But they don't. Yeah. They can say that. But who actually falls up with them and make sure it's it's done. Yeah. And the thing here is is they're just trying to gather data on this one. There's no review or probe. So nothing that they turn overs actually going to result in any type of action from the FTC side. They're just trying to collect data. So that they can get that better understanding so that they know how to modify the regulations to to better suit how it should be versus. How are currently is. And it's it's coming at the same time that net neutrality is is back on the block to commit potentially be reinstated. Now that the Democrats hold the house after he got stripped away by the Republicans. So the timing is very interesting on this as well from that perspective conspiracy theory. I'm getting. So STAN IBM's purging some grey hairs how come they won't purge mine because they don't work for them at the? I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure if you had worked there. You may not have been old enough or. So four former IBM employees filed a lawsuit against IBM alleging that they targeted quote unquote, grey hairs, and quote unquote old heads for negative performance. So they could allegedly make room to form a quote, unquote, millennial Corp and focus on hiring early professionals. And this is a pretty. Pretty huge lake Asia's from nation lawsuit. Because. It's it's basically studying that IBM has discharge over twenty K employees who were at least forty years old. In the past six years and. The the guys fall following the lawsuit were three people who have worked there from what three decades and one of them has worked here for more than ten years. So so this is definitely like. And once employers are terminated they were there there was an arbitration clause where they couldn't. You know form collective arbitration. And if they seek sought lawsuits, they lose the benefits severance packages dot I mean, I'm gave these employees. There's also the factor to consider where it's like. Some of these employees must have been years off of retirement, you know, less than ten years off, retirement and. Any kind of you know, Festinger benefits day, they might have gone just axed and the kind of fascinating because like. From a so-called valley bay area company perspective, you do you do see a lot of a lot of companies trying to hire, you know. Fresh college grads and young twenty something you're young up and coming twenty something year olds one because you know, the perception that they have more energy and. The perception that they're cheaper and probably you can. You know, they have more runway work on. I guess let sure I mean, I I'm probably the youngest of all of us right now. How do how do you guys feel about it? How did you guys feel about Asia's from nation in tech industry? Now, it's it's very difficult, and it's hard because a lot of people will just view it on performance beat on something like performance if you have some young gun who's coming in. He's kicking everybody but's that's been there for fifteen years. And he's, you know, third of the cost of the company mind. I mean, it it makes sense. However, it's it's definitely not anything feel moral at all like a like, it's right because you know, people dedicated their time and so much of their time in their lives. So this one organization, so it's hard. It's one of the like we actually talked about the star lunchtime my office, and I previously. The it's it's something to be said that like if you do it to one person, right? Why if this is a singular this is just one team and one person you can say that one person is not performing up to par. You know? Maybe new guy comes in and raises before the performance barrier. Above what the person who execute, right? Like, I understand that. But if this is a institutionalized effort where Darris Matic discrimination from the company itself right in terms of like a company direction. They wanna move into where they even labeled their employees Cray hairs an old heads. And they even started a blog called the millennial experience where you know, younger workers can be can consult with leadership about business and stuff like that. It's like, wait a minute. Like, this is kind of systematic. This is this is not like a dental like. Culture culture gravitates towards the this will something that like the executives at IBM, Saul. Neither heads to. And we're like what you know. Okay. I'm okay care this happening. And that's this combination. Right. Like, what is systematically and institutionalize like that? That is I think the the guys filing the lawsuit are do have something to work off of. But I being this confident that like their arbitration agreement protects them from from the from being hurt by this for sure. It's interesting because outside of Pershing a certain generation of people out of a company having worked at a couple of places where I worked with people that were sixty two sixty three years old. They're experience very much was that they never wanted to be on the job market because there was a very huge bias towards anybody. That was engineer in their sixties, the fell the feeling was is as long as you are in management at that age people felt it was appropriate. But nobody wanted to hire people because the the assumption was as you couldn't learn new stuff. Which is you know. A bit accurate, obviously. But it was interesting listening to the stories of you know, and even being a person that was brought in to try to replace this person because he's too old to be on the team. But come to find out they were really just trying to ask him to do stuff that was outside of his skill set. And that's why he was struggling it wasn't it. He was too old to do the job. They just didn't know enough to work with him to understand where his strengths were. And try to give him more. It was more geared towards his strengths. It's also kind of a fascinating perspective as well. Because I I mean like, I I'm in my mid twenties. And like, I can't say I've experienced it. But like I have noticed that like, you know, once you're in an industry, like your your skill set is does become more more niche and finding a job as always hard. But like anytime there's a job posting it's like, oh, hey, we're looking for new grads. No entry level crowds. And it's like all right. But it looks like. Just kinda interesting that a position can be open for. A certain level. And specifically target for specifically targeted at is major. It doesn't like an the just because you're a college grad doesn't necessarily mean you have the skills that they need. No. But there's the assumption that you're smarter and we'll pick stuff up faster because he your age and kind of being in the prime that. And that's why. Yeah. Yeah. I worked at places where they thought their best. Hiring strategy was to go. Get people that were graduating with masters degree straight out of college. No experience because they would be smart enough to figure it out quick enough in that was not the case. But that is a lot of people do have the. The. Okay. It's gonna say, unfortunately to human brain likes to also categorize people in conflict that and so being situated if you're trying to get a job fifty it's going to be harder to find something when you have people who are much younger, and unfortunately, the way it's been going. They're able to adapt much faster than someone who is you know of of older age. It's also something to the point where some of this. And like Silicon Valley for sure right? Like, I know. I know like all the people in older people people beyond thirties in Silicon Valley. Do do you have trouble in the in the market, right? He wants to be there by wants to be in the bay area. And I remember one of my friends who who was recruiter. He was interviewing around, and you know, he he sat with an interview panel, and he was referred to by the people there. And then when they when a when he left he didn't get to offer. And he has like, hey, how to go. How did interview go and his friend Bisley mentioned how in the in the in the in the powwow to happen afterwards there they were like. There was offhand comment of like, I don't want to be working with someone who who reminds my grandpa. And like, and that's like, whoa, dude. Like, you could you discrimination right there like that that was really bad. And you know, my friend was like, you know, he doesn't want to start should he he he doesn't want to work with people think like that kind of thing, and it's not offhand like careless. You know? The kind of like hand waving the happens. Whereas I he's too old. You know for my even in consideration. Don't don't want to think about it kind of thing. But I can add a little bit more on to that food. So because his right now is like Jesse would mention that this, you know, something that's you know, the Young's just can pick up in quickly. But right now is supply and demand demand. Right. So right now, we've produced so me engineer and software, and you know, we don't have much petitions to open so that pick and choose with the best one. So that than also plus that that can get people from eat the Nashville can do the work to and cheaper nowadays. Everything remote is done. Doable. Right. So that many few many thing that can factor into that space too. So that that's my observation. So I'm gonna put a quicker Jackson and anybody else here. The Stanley fed p said, I'm almost quoted old people, quote or old comma people over thirty. I'm just I'm just playing around. So you think that's funny? This last summer. I took a chip down. My stairs in really messed up. My back it team meeting Stanley. So we'll happen. You just older something. This is certain age where you no longer able to walk downstairs. Forty eight. You'd better go wrap yourself in bubble wrap, buddy. There's. That was funny. It's the thing. Right. Like, no, absolutely. Absolutely. Stanley like that age is close to seventy not my age. Absolutely, absolutely. I hear you. Right. I gotta go guys. But thank you, all talk. Okay. Nice. Two and she again. All right. Do you have a not article also talked on? All right. So HUD, charge space book with housing discrimination. This last Thursday, alleging that the social network giants targeted advertising platform by elites the fair housing act by encouraging enabling and causing unlawful discrimination. Excuse me. Enough of this criminalization by restriction of who can see the ads. Additionally, HUD, advice, Twitter and alphabets Google last year that they are being scrutinized as well for their practices for the possible housing discrimination, as well assignment more technologies technology companies could be snared in a government probe based on the lucrative demographic ad targeting tools that have come about and people are charging more. That was according to three people the head there acknowledge of the agency's actions the probe into face folks, alleged housing discrimination actually began began back in late two thousand sixteen and that was because there were some other claims of potential discrimination. There the reviews with Twitter in Google are still ongoing, but it was evident Facebook was caught off guard on Thursday with the charges because they come only a week after Facebook had just agree to a sweeping settlement with civil rights group to overhaul its micro targeting at and system for job housing and advertisements after discrimination complaint. It's around that system is well, the housing agency claims that face minds user extensive personal data and uses characteristics protected by law like race color, national origin, religion. Emily status sex and disability to determine who can view housing ads, regardless of whether the advertiser wants to reach a broad or narrow audience, HUD, also alleges that Facebook's targeted advertising platform, enable advertisers to exclude people classified as parents, those who were not born in the United States non-christians or people interested in accessibility, Hispanic culture or a wide variety of other interests that closely aligned with groups protected under the fair housing act. Also accuses Facebook of enabling advertisers to exclude people based on where they live by drawing a red line around those neighborhoods on a map evoking a memory of decade old pick practices in which minority neighborhoods were marked hazardous in red ink on maps, John by federal home. The. The federal home owners loan corporation. So that's. Like every time. I re- every time. I hear about Facebook in in the news. It's always bad. And they always seem surprised. That'd be because I remember reading about one's Luxembourg testified in in the Senate. And he was like, oh, wow. I'm surprised that they are the New York Times article. Oh, I'm surprised that the congressmen are so upset and and his attorney the person who was counseling. What was like? Yeah. They are. I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. And it it seems careless it to me hearing hearing this. And so so fissile surprise outsider. Like, I'm sure things things like government happened simultaneously, despite what people like to believe. You know, one independent body and other independent body. But for for Facebook home, I'm almost certain that this was carelessness. This was just and Mustang that carelessness excuses in of this. But it is it is like, you know, there some slow marketing team got together came up with a great idea. Like, hey, can we can we actually let people filter by these categories and stuff like that? Oh, while people are using these filters really extensively. Let's see what else say they need to filter by and turns out that there's laws governing. How you like sell houses stuff like that? And how do you classify distribute? How how to? County thus and Facebook probably was not where aware initially very few people are, but it's it's similar to how you can be developing a product that uses a pen that is ready out there. The first thing you think about it isn't looking like, oh, do we've Islay any laws because of this. Yeah. Definitely. So the interesting thing here is is your mentioned the filter. So the settlement they're doing. Now was when you bought ad on Facebook. You could you could check. I only want these ethnicities or people in these areas, you could say where you wanted those Ed scene, and that's why they're settling that one on on that one. This one is their machine learning where it tries to determine who is most likely to interact with that ad, right. So like that's their premium ad service. Hey, we're going to give you this. And we'll get into you X percent because we didn't get you the highest engaged. Group. So for example, if it was something that would be typically classified as something that appeal to millennials these ads to be shown to millennials much more than they would say baby boomers, and what they're saying around housing is you have to show everything equally to everybody because any choosing not to show it to a person is by elation and discrimination. Whether it's a human making that decision when they click filters or even if it's machine learning trying to determine who not to who would not to show it to. On a grander scale stuff. Definitely feels like Facebook, Facebook and other social platforms are finally experiencing the same problems. I like. You know, early age government, you know, United States copper has been here for about what four years, plus, and, you know, the their sign understand why like, oh these regulations are in place because of these reasons, and, you know, somewhat of how like, oh, the pickling community is starting to discover for the first time why there are some financial regulations in place for how money is traded and stuff like that. It it just kind of just kind of like not necessarily eye opening. And but like like a if I of like, oh, come on guys like. The the it's careless. It's just. Well, depending on how this turns out this will have reaching impacts his it's gonna set the precedent. So if they do come out and say the Facebook in court, they do determined Facebook is is guilty. That means anybody else that uses any type of targeted ad system. With real estate ads will also now automatically be guilty of the same thing. And we'll be liable for legal action at that moment. So it's definitely getting changed. How? With certain types of products. How these add companies can now work in monetize their systems. But that is something that's what the most come the day monitoring. A you know, every move you'll make click on the website to is at Sam thing. Right. How you know computer that if you do what, you know, you'll behave each time you by it. Same thing. This is like the difference. So this is different. So this is this is a law based around preventing segregation on where you can't like everybody has a fair right to see an ad whether they can afford it. Whether you want them to live in that house or not the law dictates, you cannot decide not to show somebody in ads for any of these protected reasons. I see. So therefore, if you are or even if a machine is making a decision to do so has US accompany decided to write software that does that you're responsible for that outcome. So, you know, their algorithm, technically is the what would be guilty of the discrimination. But it falls under the responsibility of Facebook as the creator of that algorithm. But again, it sets a precedent because tag targeted ads is what everybody does. That's what you wanna do. I wanna spend that money to get the biggest chance for the highest click through percentage pasta. That's right show. My add to the people that are ninety percent going to click on that, except there are some places like the housing sector where you just cannot do that. Because those are protected by law where everybody has the right to see everything in your actually required to show everything publicly to everybody all at the same time. You can't just say, hey, just for you today. I'll show you tomorrow. Because now you're showing again preference just to give somebody a head start to try to sway. I see anything. So I, you know, the housing stuff is very regulate it'd equal opportunity housing and all that stuff. So, you know, this is just saying, hey, you weren't showing this to everybody that could have seen the ad in there for that's in violation of. Law, but again, guaranteed the almost every other add company out. There uses the same targeted ads for real estate as they do for anything else. I mean, I like Facebook is been so big in the news over the last several years, and has so much scrutiny by the federal government. They had the one. It's important to make an example, like it's a porn to reinforce widest things. It says as a point to make an example of it's bending wanted repeat the last sentence that you use your family, your seem maybe have a bad connection or something. Hello. Hello. Hey, they are. Okay. What what'd you say before justly? Before what? No. Yeah. I think it's important to make an example of the big company. Kind of say that like, you know, you can't you can't be careless about this guys. Exactly. And I think Facebook's the right company because Facebook doesn't have many friends not in anywhere else in the government that can help you know, sway when nothing actually happened. So they definitely target a company that they have the highest probable chance of success at actually being successful with. And then once they are again, it sets the precedent because once enrolled on court unless they can appeal it and get it overturns every other companies in beheld to that same standard at that point. It's it's also kind of ridiculous suit because they do have friends in powerful places. Actually, they do they do have like they've hired former like campaign managers and stuff like that. As part of our team. Just just impressive to I'm constantly impressed that the amount of Bassetti Facebook house, especially in regards to your like social circumstances dignity. They had they have the cash to get these people, you know, to do this for them. Right. So I guess that wraps up this week of the weekly security in tech review. Join us next Saturday for our next episode, and again, you can find on our website at WWW dot the W S T R dot com. Find us on Twitter with the handle at the W S T R podcast or find us on patriotic at patriotic dot com slash W, S T R.

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BB22 | LFC Tuesday Roundtable | November 10, 2020

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BB22 | LFC Tuesday Roundtable | November 10, 2020

"Day ran the one less to deal with there. Your life down watching tv watching you'll be watching. Hello everyone and welcome to the big brother. Twenty two post season roundtable podcast turn armstrong and we are here today to talk about everything big brother twenty two all stars two in the postseason. We're gonna wrap everything up in a nice little bo. We're going to rate all the players. We're gonna talk about their legacies. We're gonna talk about the season. We've had time to digest. And i of course here with melissa masa. I'm doing great. It's going to be interesting. I was telling taryn earlier. It's going to be interesting to try and kind of rate these players this year just because normally we base it off like how do we think they would do if placed on and other season. But now it's okay. Well we've already seen them on a few seasons so we've seen what they can do but it'll be interesting to see if we all agree as to like how good they on the grand scale so i'm excited to talk about it. Yes and of course. Also with me. Here is brent. I'm doing good. I think it's unlikely that we will all agree on everything we never do. But that's so fun of. We all agree right like. I'm really excited to wrap up the season and talk to you guys. It's been a minute since we've been here and some stuff has gone down and people will say since the house boy while we're gonna get into all of it here as we wrap up the season it was. It was a season it happened. I mean really back back in whatever may or whenever it was there was a lot of talk about. Is there going to be a season. Big brother canada was canceled mid season. And we really like. Is there even going to be a season. And then lo and behold there was a season and it was an all-star season. And how exciting was that melissa. Yeah i mean. I think the most exciting part of the entire thing was the preseason when the rumors were flying ever on was getting excited to see who was going to be on an even honestly like the first episode. I thought the first episode seeing all these people back again on tv. That was super exciting. So you know that was a big surprise. Honestly i did not expect the cfc's and let alone at all star season. I agree with melissa on this one. I think that the preseason was a lot of fun. I particularly had a lot of fun. In the pre season for those you remember strain is spoiled. Cast members left and right and i would like to say that i did a pretty good job. I didn't get everything exactly right. I had a few misses here. And there in fairness there were people who had last minute withdrawals who i know are on the cast but in and the people that are that replaced them where we're refund surprises in kisha in memphis but overall it was a lot of fun preseason and i got into my first fight with evil dick and my last fight with evil too. So that's always something to talk about two. And apparently i if i let them to be blocked me. I didn't even know well that that brought us into the second all-star season of big brothers history existence in the us here and it's something that the fans clamored for for a long time. Expectations were high. The cast was surprisingly not that bad. I mean good. Yeah considering what we were sitting the cast was good. Okay i still. I would when you go back to the beginning of the season and they said why these are the people that are going to be on twenty two all stars bitch. I was excited. I mean i. There were so many like sand service. Fan boy castings that i that i really love like kisha and memphis and kevin campbell people that i never thought would be on my screen again. That only we talk about on our lonely roundtables with a couple thousand followers in the middle of the night. Sometimes like i really never thought they would come back and then they brought them back and i was like. Wow a couple of too. But that's okay. I'm okay with a couple of duds. Sometimes we get the good stuff and we got the gold. It's just that the order of the list was just could it could have been worse. It was like survivor. All stars redux. And one thing i do have to say is i. Do you kind of disagree with you guys on this one just because like. I think that it's an interesting casting. A lot of surprises on the cost which was fun. But i don't think that i would consider this cost and all star cast for me like if they had i know this is semantics and get it and i know that people like this has been discussed ad. Nauseam the preseason. But i wouldn't call this an all stars. I would've called it a second chances. Or whatever like third chances. Whatever you wanna call it or like or like you know something to prove like big brother seventy approve. I don't know. I just felt like everybody. There had like a story that they were trying to reverse combat like from their first season or whatever season that they played whether it's like people don't respect their game and they want to prove that they're a game should be respected or like you know they. They just barely low cost or they you know made the wrong choice or whatever it was and then you know yeah lone rangers right in the trap that it should be called big brother redemption nursing like that. Because it's like there were a lot of very interesting storylines. That was like are the mistakes of their past going to come back and haunt them for the doomed to repeat it. You know that. Sort of thing But it it just to me like. I don't think you can call it an all-star season unless you have the all stars playing like the best of the best so And i know this semantics. So you know i get it but to me. The cast was not the kind of costs that i was hoping to see. It was an interesting gas but it was not that cast the i was hoping for nonetheless. Starting of the season. I was super excited. Very excited to see how everyone was going to play And how they were going to interact together. And i do agree with brent in that that is where the real disappointment starting to set in. Yes well right away. We saw that cody one the first aid wage and then that was basically the season as he then down the stairs any just one into confetti along the way we had to get through some of these all stars and And you know it really. I think the big headlines from the season at this point are going to be cody. Cutting nicole at the end of the game. Cody playing perhaps the most dominant game we've ever seen in big brother. And then just in general some of the highlights day von seeing kisha that wasn't really a highlight for most people but it was a highlight for me. I don't care what anyone says. Seeing qaysar anginal these were big moments in. The start of. The season was definitely huge. I mean i think from my perspective. The engagement that we had in the first month of the show was the most we've ever had since covering big brother and then in the last month of the show it was some of the least in. We've seen in the history of us covering big brother. Saw a season of dichotomy there even though it was relatively even throughout i mean. Look the most fun. I've had on an episode. I think most of them. I talked about this with uterine that like the first episode of the season when they all got to meet each other. And then you know. Dave vons veto in and then the finale. There were three big plot points as far as like drama for the season. And when you were really feeling big brother and aside from that it was just a slow march to the end by cody. Listening to kevin campbell on instagram. You wonder like you know. Certain people who've been in the house like what might have changed about cody winning the alliance that forms of all things like that but there was the brakes and this is the way it happened and we had to. Just sit there and watch it. Yeah well that that was the season. I don't think we need to get in too much into like the story throughout the season. Because as i said it was really cody took control. He created a power structure. There were a couple of other players that were in there with a shot nicole with this kind of typically snaky sort of game play you add memphis with his wise guys and committee sort of grumpy grumpy guy game play. You had tyler in there. Who was just up and down. You had danny planting seeds left and right you at enzo going. I'd say just being the social player and in many of these people making it the end of the game but cody really as the creator of that structure taking the full benefit of it and ultimately taking the win unanimously for the first time in regular season since danke sling and the first time. Ever with a nine person jury. Although i think there's some interesting arguments to be had about is it easier to win. Unanimously in a nine person jury or a seven person jury. I actually think that's not quite as easy and answer as you might think but but here it is cody as the winner of big brother. Twenty two all stars two. We've had two weeks now to to let this set in. how do you feel about it. Brent i mean i feel good i like i am a big believer in sticking the landing and big twenty two stuck landing like it didn't give me much long the way we got a few fun fun times together not a lot but a few and then we got that gag or the moment at the end of cody cutting nicole and her never seen coming. I mean that was worth the price of admission. It really was for me to sit through that entire season. These boring ass feeds that. We've been putting up with all season long for me to see that because you know there are a lot of people on. There are a lot of people in reality television. That fans and i'm one of them. Think needed to get their comeuppance. That we just didn't think they deserve some of the stuff that they've gotten and they needed to be taken down a peg or two and she's one of them and it was really fun to watch her have to end up on the short end of the stick and not realize that. Oh god i'm i'm about to be outplayed. Here he's going to victory and like and the best part was that they went to commercial break. So you saw it coming and like you saw building and it wasn't just like a boom. It was over kind of thing like it was like definitely like a good two three minute orgasm that we got experience together as fans of reality television and so i think i feel good and then listening to the people after the season i feel i feel better. I feel like everybody's heart for the most part. This is a couple of exceptions. We're in. I think their hearts were in the right place. Some of them. I feel. I do understand and did understand at the time what was happening. It's just they could never get power to can. Never have someone on their side of things when power people like heaven. Dave onward. Desperate for somebody like janelle or k. Or script the system to win they wanted them to win oriented so that this wouldn't happen but it never happened so then when you see that. The new h h is nicole or christmas or memphis. Then you have to play the game. You have to play the game to save your ass. Unfortunately that's what we saw. We saw people saving their ass all season long. We never saw aggressive gameplay because the power the power in the house never changed. And there's just nothing we can do about that maybe next year. We'll have better luck. But i just feel like we got some bad luck this year in you know what bad luck happens look does happen it does happen. Well i i asked the audience how they felt about a cody. Now cody as a winner. Where does cody rank as a winner. Now in the past i've kind of just top tier middle tier bottom. Whatever i wanted to be a little more specific this time. So i asked is even great. The new best player in the new goat is he in. The tier is in the dan. Will derek as there is in the top tier middle tier autumn tears. He the worst winter we've ever seen and the audience by a pretty large margin have him solidly top tier up with dan will maybe derek. I'm they don't have him as the best Although i will say twenty five percent of people did put in the gods here but over. Fifty percent of people said top tier so short of on the edge there. I mean it's not it's not there but it's it's approaching that level which i think is pretty fair here. Melissa yeah i would say top tier as well. I absolutely think. That cody cody's when was deserved. I think he played a great game. However you know this is the second season. He does have relationships. Outside of the game. That i do believe influence the game of it Whether or not there you know pre-game alliances or anything that got we don't know but these at least these relationships were formed prior to the season and i'm sure that they had an influence however you know some people in the in the house probably also had pre-game relationships and they didn't win so i do think that cody played a top tier game. However i don't think that he's in the seem tier as you know. Dr will or dan or derek at this point so you know but but honestly i really did appreciate his game play. Yeah i mean i would. I'm interested to do at some point in the off season. Is that some sometime like what four years ago. I believe it was after steve one. We did a winner. Rankings podcast and it has been quite a while since we did that. And i think it's time to update the winner. Rankings podcast and one of the things. I'm definitely interested in in looking at is cody versus derek. Cody versus andy. Throw in whoever else you want in there in that sort of range. I think there are some very interesting things to talk about their. We can touch on them here of course but but i definitely want to do an update to the winner rankings. We can of course also include big brother canada similar to how we did it in the season rankings. Because that would be interesting as well. But i can tell you that i had an optional question here if you were if you wanted to. Where exactly would you place. Cody in the list of the twenty one winners. Because we're not counting the first winner or the first season and the audience placed cody. Where where would you guess. Where's your guest. The audience cody on average. Here i even yeah. I think that's right. I think. I think they placed in number six. I think that it's he goes something like well. Dan derek andy in june. And i think i take that back. I think it's over five. I think it's five. Think his top five. Dan derek andy. And then cody. I think there are south. There are some people that could rank certain people in that top tier. And i think that might even out to to end up. Pushing cody down. Actually you know what if the if it's an actual if it's an average i don't think anybody would actually put cody above by. Did you do the average or did he do what number was picked up. I'm gonna. I'm gonna pick the one. That's the whatever it's called the the mod the mode that one. Okay so then. Yeah that might be might be the mode that that might be five if you did the mode. Yeah you are correct number five and to be clear. This was just pick a number. This was not rank all the winters because none of the winters are relevant to this season. Except for cody. So number five. Was the pig here. Although very close to being number four actually what it would be. If it was the average the average was like six. Yeah so many numbers down below right. Yeah so but i. Nineteen percent said fourth place. Nineteen point one percent said fifth-place. Oh wow so yeah. Twelve percents number three so it was a mighty game. Let's be honest. It was it was it was serlin game it. Just it doesn't have any of the panache that these other winners have that. I feel like for most people puts them up there in In the ashkelon big brother. I also think for me like it does take away a bit that this is second time laying. That certainly influences where i put them in the rankings and additionally i do think that if okay so say for example. Dan pretend dan didn't win his first season but one big brother fourteen with dance funeral. And with all of that. Like i do think i would rank dan higher than code even in that instance just because like he showed that he could become from behind him. Pull himself you know forward in that situation whereas i don't know if i could see cody doing the same thing and not only that he didn't have to do the same thing so i do think that like i would take that win as a lower tier win that dan winning big brother fourteen and bring winning big brother ten. Do you know what i mean. Yeah i think there are a few interesting things here so if you do the math there. That's about fifty percent of the audience things in the range of three four five. So that's that's a pretty pretty significant portion of the audience in that range i agree. I think that there's some interesting things about cody's win. I is that it was his second try. That is definitely worth noting especially when it comes to comparing him to derrick especially because he lost to derek on his first try number two is that i think one of the reasons why he isn't as compelling a winner as somebody like dan or even derek to a degree is is one of the reasons why i then might think about him as you know boosting him back up which is that. I think that cody might be the most well rounded player ever. I mean the thing that makes dan and will and even derek to a degree so exciting is that they have flaws in their game that they need to make up for for mainly that. They don't win many competitions cody. He has the social game. He's strategic and he also wins those competitions. He had such a well rounded game. There was nothing to make up for nothing to haul himself out of because there were no weaknesses to make an exciting show. Like when we see will you know not winning and getting his way but convincing people to do what he wants when he doesn't win that's exciting. Because he's making up for a flaw in his game when we see dan pull himself out of scrapes and whatever like dan is is charming guy. I wouldn't say quite as charming as as cody potentially. But dan gets around that in other ways and he's not the the worst competitor but he's also not the best competitor and so dan has to use these other things. Derek also not the best competitor in the world. He has other flaws that he has to make up for. He's not as young and good looking and charming. Cody is so. He has to make up for those things with the way he plays. The game. Cody is just like on his stats page. It's just a ten everywhere. And and so there's there's no climb and it's not fun to watch. Yeah i mean. I think that's absolutely true. And i do think that maybe i am putting too much emphasis on like overcoming adversity. Making good winner Maybe it is just a situation where like if you don't have to set yourself up to overcome adversity. Then maybe that maybe that makes it better winner. I don't know but you know. I guess like i. If i'm just being honest with myself. Like i look at dan and derek and i look at dr will i do see them in a different tier than cody. Just because i know. I just feel like i see. I see the strategy. They're more probably because they've had to overcome adversity and i've had to watch them create that strategy for themselves versus cody. Who never really had to deal with anything like we don't know what would have happened. Had somebody from the other side one h have been like target cody and maybe people go along with it. And maybe cody has to figure out a way to get around it and we never had to see that so. I don't know what that looks like. An i think that's part of i think the the absence of that information is kind of making me rank him lower. Just because i don't know what his full-scale scott steele says. Everybody who i think is like the top four for me. They all had points in time where they had to really work hard to get their way. They they really have to pull a rabbit out of the hat and encoding never had to do that. So is he capable pulling rabbit out of the hat. I think he probably is it. Just that i haven't seen any evidence of it with my own eyes. And thus i'm raking him essentially blow everybody else because he was never in any trouble and didn't have the opportunity to show me his work essentially. It's like a matt pass when you can't just get could he's kinda guy who comes up with the right answer but i want to see you do your work and i never really got the seeing him. Do his work island got to see him a little. Do part of it. I would say. I think i'd be. Maybe like i'm with you melissa. I'm like halfway with you brent. Where like ions about right. You can be the most well rounded player. But you still. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you still have to face adversity. And that's that's what we didn't see. We never saw cody unlucky. But i do think he showed his work. And i do think he pulled rabbits out of some hats. One being getting enzo to vote to keep nicole. That was worked that we saw cody do weeks before weeks in advance prior to that. Enzo really wanted. Nicole gone cody put in the work. To make sure ends a wanted nicole to stay. We saw the work that you put in with dani even though he never trusted her he got danny to put up in that week. Which made which nicole off like. We saw him put in the work to make these things happen to stack the deck in his favor. We just never saw him have to overcome a bad. A bad poll from the deck. Right lane i was just gonna say like i think this is something. We've talked about all season long. And we bri in comparison to dane where like prior to dane literally just like performing a magic trick and saving himself. I was i wasn't so sold on like the dane is an amazing player kind of thing like narrative that people were saying because i was like well you know like he's got the pretty boys in like he hasn't really had to do anything so like i don't know but then you know when he turns out the door literally like one foot out the door and he turns it around and finds a way to save himself. That's something that shows me that he is a great player. Any he does have like a serious strategy behind it because he's not just relying on his alliance to carry him forward. He actually is able to do stuff on his own. When confronted with an issue. And i i totally changed my opinion on date and i feel like if we had something similar from cody. I would've you know. Maybe i'd be ranking way higher than i already am i mean i'm already ranking them higher but are high but you know. I do think that that's something that's important to me because it shows it shows skill to me. Yeah i think so. I also think that the chat also brings up a fair point. Which was we keep saying that. You know cody never had to face a bad poll from the deck. But he kinda did with the wall yellow yeah. I can't imagine what i would do. If i was playing big brother and i had ruiz lockdown control of the game felt really good about my position and some yahoo from outside who is hated me for years. Actually let me look. There's a list of people so you never know but one of those people. Yeah it'd be outside the define the crap outside it hauling many people. They've starved this. Cbs lot way. The point i would do if i if my my work was undone by somebody from the outside and he had to face that and that was a big deal in the house for a while so you know at least. There's that like they're all. The previous players are saying like well while yellowstone affect anything. Nobody really cares about the more or listen to them. So like it does take away a little bit because like if nobody's listening to it and nobody cares about it and they're just gonna like brush it aside and that's something that's known by like past players that is like it's not like oh no what's he gonna do now like we all thought that but all the past players like god no one cares about these stupid whalers something that in this is i think one of the things that i was saying at the time. Which is that the players in power. The the good players. They're the ones that are going to be able to spend this however they want the players who aren't able to do that like we saw a couple of things happen with the warriors right we saw and nicole are running the game. that was bad for cody and nicole. But they were able to pretty much boston over. Nobody really cared all that much because of the work that they had put in. We also saw that tyler. Christmas have a final two was the and that was very detrimental to tyler and chris game it really was something that added to the people in power were able to control those lines of communication. Make sure that was accepted as truth and was it was used as a way to keep the two of them down and to prevent them from being together and continuing to bond and was one of the bigger detriments. I think the tyler's game ultimately. And i think you know. That's not super fair to tyler but cody was able to bounce back from it because he had power in the game and was able to to adapt to it in the game whereas tyler was not he was not in a position to and he was not skilled enough to overcome it from his position. Yeah i agree but it's still was a little boring to watch along the way it's like. It was also season and so we wanted a little bit more than a few wall yellows from the outside causing a little commotion and people in in the house being able to spin their magic. Anyway we wanted. It's like. I like the only reason i've excited about the wall. Yellows is because the game itself was so boring. But that's because cody made that way and codeine his alliance. Like i wanna. I wanna give credit to other people to wasn't cody. Cody did a good job of shaping the narrative of the season All right well. Has there been any any any updates that we need to talk about since the season ended. Have we heard anything interesting. usually look to brent for this because he loves the drama What do we need to know information. Nicole as many of you probably know Decided to make a big show of it and unfollowed oliver friends from previously in big brother history meaning like derrick brown. You know the big brother. Sixteen and cody and cody's girlfriends. And danny and basically anybody who might have crossed in fact some of these people. I don't even think cross sir which is odd but she. She's unfollowed them all on instagram and twitter and whatnot and she said that i was sort of hoping that she would do it beforehand so we could listen to it on her cocoa kellyanne podcasts. She's going to reveal or feelings about big brother. But as far as i'm concerned that is i know that hasn't happened yet this year. I think she was gonna do it this week. And it hasn't come out yet. i. I've been waiting with the hand-and-foot kocaeli and say well. You might not have to wait that long. Okay tomorrow morning. it'd be dropping. I did talk to nicole. Talk i call yes. You talked a call. Are you on the co kellyanne podcast. No she was on me. Podcast can coca kellyanne okay. Yes we went over her game. It was a little over two hours long primarily focused on her game by. She definitely talks about her feelings on on big brother. And all that as excited for that. Those podcasts always make me totally totally reevaluate or totally respect in a different way. These people's games averaged is remember when peres had hers. And i just felt like like so much more respect for paris after that and i just love when they go over their game in such detail especially because you like to take it week to week so i like hearing like okay this week. We did this okay. What were you thinking. There am very excited. Yeah i'm excited about it too. And just so you know like i know people say oh i. Don't listen to that honey. Listen like somebody. If and their fans will tell them stuff so like nicole. yes. I was rooting for your comeuppance. But you played fabulously the season like it was a wonderful game to watch like if i ever doubted nicole. If anybody thought that bigger there eighteen was a fluke. well you're wrong like ditz. Not there was no. I hear ya guy. She was hanging on whether hanging out in bed with here. It was all on her own and she still. she's still almost. She almost won the game. Is john won the game if she gives you the final two. She doesn't miss that question in the end and it gets to a tiebreaker. But cody cody still wins. But it's like five or or sidewalk. For how many people are on the jury. I forget four six three. Like there's there's a non zero chance that she wins the game i feel. Yeah i mean. I feel like she needed to cut cody. I mean she was. She was close. I mean one of the things. I wanted to talk about with the coal. And we you go to rate her as a player is that i do feel like. She's a player that learns similar to coney who clearly learned from his first time. I feel like she's gotten better every time she's come back. And she learns from her previous experiences. And i think she never had the opportunity to learn that you need to cut the person at the end of the game because that never was a problem for her and and when i talked to her after birth eighteen to recap per game then she told me like i was willing to take cory. I was willing to take off over the people. I thought i could be even more and at the time i was like well. I'm not gonna tell you. I think that's really bad bad. Move but maybe i should have. Maybe maybe on her like. Hey that's not. That's not the best move necessarily. But i do think that That she she is somebody that probably would come back if she came back which i don't think she will but if she did ever play again which is what. We're kind of talking about race. The player that i do think she would learn from that and she wouldn't make that same mistake again in the future and that's one of the interesting things about about nicole so can i. It's just really quickly as a tease So does she address the the decision to follow some of these people To industry and hope specifically also really really asked her. Why did she let ian go that week. Like why because that was that was her game right there. I mean we'll see like that's a question but like from my perspective. She tried about as hard as she could before. In fact i think she tried too hard because she she wasn't getting anywhere i i was like. You were damaging your game that week by trying as hard as you did before you finally back off. And then i questioned about the validity of the ultimate strategy of trying to blame the vote whether it was necessary. What kind of jury management that like had for her by russia we also talked about the decision to take cody over over end zone. If that was going to happen she definitely feels kind of like frustrated. She really thought she would have some kind of chance that the jury might have respected the decision to take cody over. Enzo one of the things. She was really worried about. Not too much. Is that day von early on in the feed said that if her paul had taken james james would have beaten both of them in eighteen and that really got in her head about like. Well enzo is james. And so and so's james so especially scary but but yes a lot of things to talk about. I don't think we directly addressed unfollowing. But she talked about her feelings about the big brother community and the people that she sort of feels like you know she. She's sort of understood who's who's got her back and who doesn't and that she's gonna just kind of leave certain things at the door. So was there any indication that she'd be interested in that you would have been interested or entertain the idea of taking christmas. I mean i i. I didn't ask her about taking christmas because it wasn't really an option for her. I assume that if it came down to that she would have been more a lot more open to taking christmas than than enzo but i did not ask her that specifically but she wins. If she wins veto at final four right can can. Can she get rid of cody and christmas with her. Oh i don't think that has ever been something. What would it be something that. Because i just remember her and christmas having conversations where christmas and nicole both indicated like. Oh i'll take you. I was wondering if any of that could have been legit. Because i was always thinking like that would actually be good for nicole if she were to take christmas. Because i don't see christmas winning over in a call. I think chris was your second choice. After cody cody is not there. She'll take christmas hundred But i'm also. I'm telling the chat like sometimes i ask you questions that i know the answer to you like i know they call is not going to go there and take christmas but i'm just asking it in a way. Like did she address. That was wherever. It's point in time where she considered that like. Do i think she would've done it. No i know. I watched the season. She wasn't going to do it but i was. I was hoping like. I guess i would feel better. If there was a part of her. I might have considered that. Had i won the veto. If i'd won the veto at four i might have. I might have had to consider that. I think she would have considered it. But i don't think she would have been and she said she would have considered cutting cody at that point. She thinks she would've got coding. So i hear about all that and more it should be. It should be dropping tomorrow job. Taryn thank you. I also i just wanna take credit as well because i feel like the fact that i'm a little messy sometimes makes it makes terron look so and djelic in nice in comparison and people wanting to talk to him. You see so y'all think me Really helps notably notably. I don't. I don't want reach out to people i'd say. Yeah i'm the guy that podcast with brent's me remember me. Probably best brent out of it with listen. Gosh all right now. We're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back. Hey i'm rob sister nino and if you're not listening to news a f. Every week you're missing out on the week's most interesting and often most stupid news stories that are happening every single week. 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She was not going to give give give get votes but we did kind of like try to speak up about her game at times and we were shot down. Every time by specific people think we saw some of that happened in the jury segments. But what it seems like happened is that there were kind of maybe factions in the jury. One that consisted of like devan. Danny and ian who were very close and another that was like david and kevin and like they were tight with tyler a bit but there was. There was drama between heaven and devan that caused a lot of because not enough communication between the two sides. And perhaps that's why they von was kind of under the assumption that since they were kind of speaking up for nicole's game game at times that maybe they would have been votes for nicole while in fact what they were saying to each other is that no not unless she cuts cody at which point. Maybe nicole nicole over enzo or something like that but But that nicole did not really have much of a chance against cody. No matter how it happens sounds right to me on writes anything else anything else. There's no they didn't like go and party here So there's no there's no party drama to speak of. Yeah there's no party we can cova it for that. I think Just watching the interviews from a couple of the contestants. Dave van was obviously thrilled for america's favorite player. They was just nice to see some happiness. And some just some some sheer on someone's face and any of the interviews that david did just so appreciative and so thankful for her fans getting it done. And y'all get it done we did. We did it. I was i was. i was voting for nissan. And i love that. I enso's interview with our. Jp was a lot of fun as well like listening to him. It's nice to see that we. I gave credit to cody for some things. That i saw i saw coded houston things would bring it up on the podcast and we would talk about it. And then cody brought it up in the post show like he would bring it up and it was so i'm like oh god that's good that you can actually articulate like what we're seeing like. It's not something you're accidentally doing. You're actually thinking about the fact that you're making these specific moves it's pretty well It's pretty rare that that happens right. Exactly what i was like. I was so. I was so excited about it. When i when i heard him say certain things and it was well like he was always thinking about the game. It wasn't just like he was being like hype man like he was thinking about. Okay maybe i need to do this. Maybe i need to do that. Was he a little bit scaredy cat sometimes and maybe a little bit unwilling to pull the trigger. Yes but he also makes a fair point like you know he he. He put himself in position. And i think there are a lot of people in teheran included. Who don't disagree with him on the move to keep nicole in the triple addiction. An end zone has thought about. Maybe that was the move that i needed to make win the game. Maybe if i get rid of nicole there then something happens as cody. And that's my. That's how i win the game. Because obviously he's seen that he couldn't be cody at the end. They had no chance whatsoever. I think the fact that it was nine to zero was a big slap upside. The head where he was like. Oh god i really should have gotten rid of this guy sometime before. But he didn't and so he was forced to reevaluate like well. Wait maybe if. I did something different. Something would have happened. But he's like you know. Look i got the. I got second place. I got to give my speech and and and i was okay with that like i guess. I'm okay with that too. I did ask the audience some other questions as well about some of these players I wanted them to rank the players from their favourite to their least favourite. Now that this season was over all of the players. I thought this was interesting because it's not super representative of anything but i'm curious to know where you guys think. The number one favorite player from the season from our audience our audience. They would probably say dave on. I maybe janelle I think dave on. You're both wrong. What's tyler still wrong. It's kaser rally at the top spot. I was surprised. Wow that's great like player ratings. Not that high. Their legacy ratings certainly not first place but favored player ratings. He's there and i'm all about that just below. Cancer is genetic number two okay so this was interesting to because all of the players are listed in the in america's favorite player poll the difference between this and the americas favorite player. Poll is that the americas favorite player poll only choose one. You're voting for one person. This was the ranking. And so. I think that's really gonna help. Somebody like sir who is very not polarizing right Okay sir like everybody loves qaysar except for the few people that are be like. Hey no i don't like keister and people you're wrong even canal. I think especially toward the end starting to have some detractors. And so i think somebody like really is able to nail that top spot. Then the next two are tyler end avon in that order tyler above von even though dave was above tyler in the americas favorite player rankings but those are the top four number five was enzo number. Six was ian number. Seven was cody. And then there's a bit of a drop off those those are the top players bailey rounding out the eighth place in the top half and then man who is number sixteen. Who's last on this list. Melissa call you agree brent. I don't necessarily like she left. Kabad note i guess in terms of the fans i mean after the fact i don't i don't know but maybe that stuck in people's minds and didn't i don't know christmas it's christmas all right cool yay shot at it. Yeah now i did this. Poll in the preseason and in the preseason it had some interesting results when you compare it to the post season here in the preseason. When i asked you to rank the player from your favourite to your least favorite number one was not even in the top eight in the postseason number. One was danny here. Yes yeah porn. Danny tonight season you know yes that would be. Can you go through and tell us where they either like gone up down. Sure i mean that. Might be interested in it. Just about danny like i was so excited to have danny back. We all were like i. Don't i don't know anybody who wasn't excited to see danny is on big brother. Like mean like she was like so amazing on original season and then she was so amazing more like on her return and thirteen and yes she like. She just played the game the way she wanted to play it the to say this to her credit. I feel like danny knew that she was playing a game. That was not necessarily viewer friendly this time. It wasn't fan-friendly. She knew that they were not going to be liked by the audience because they constantly got their way so like when these players understand that at least it's easier for me to today to digest what they're giving me uh-huh yeah totally well in second place in. The preseason was so chanel actually just stayed in second. Tyler was in third place in the preseason. So he stayed in third place in into the postseason. Yeah ian was fourth place. So ian dropped down to sixth place overall bit of a drop their for ian than we had von in fifth so she actually went up a rank to fourth place then we had cancer in six place mapped joel. Then nicole. anthony was in seventh place. She is going to take a drop to fifteen a bit of a tumble. They're not great then. Kisha was in eighth place. She fell to this is twelfth place. Why did you say what's thirteenth training. Backwards math yeah. I was going to be doing it in your head like that's the way because you're not actually numbers. Yeah i could tell. That was obvious then. cody was in ninth place. He actually moved up to two spots to seventh place. Then we had kevin campbell in tenth place and he fell to twelfth overall unbelievable. Enzo in eleventh. Moved bound tracy so low this yeah i was say you is that low. Yeah then nicole was in twelfth. She fell to fourteenth. This frenzel memphis about that. I feel like. I should have started off lower and gone higher after this. I dunno greater respect for her game but she's also somebody that like she's been there for like she's still fresh in people's minds. She's you know a lot of people are still talking about her. When you think about who do. I want to drag down. You're still thinking about nicole frenzel. More so than anyone else memphis was in thirteenth place and he moved up to two-tenths david was there in In fourteenth place and he moved up to eleventh interesting memphis and david were back to back in both also. They both moved up then. Valey was actually fifteenth place in the preseason. Yeah and and jumped all the way they moved out place in the post here and then christmas. Just oh you know. Drop the reliance. That's that's pretty interesting. I think see were like people started. And now like i do think that that might influence the legacy watch In terms of whether or not people would still consider people top tier while before we get into the legacy watch. I also wanted to talk about. Who do we think could play again. Who is the most likely person to come back. And play a third or fourth or even fifth time i think dave van je nell. In case her okay brent do you have picks here I think that's probably right. Well the audience things stay. Vaughn number one. I'm far number two. They think david i know. There's no way he was so boring. i'm sorry he was so boring. Yeah look like tyler wouldn't come back. David wouldn't be asked back. And i think that david said in her that like she loves the game. She still loves the game. She'd come back in a heartbe and they said like you know. We thought we were retired before. But you know when you get that call you kind of just make the choice. So i do think that the two of them would be likely to come back and also be likely to be asked back. Yeah i mean. I think there's a chance i think they like david. No darren votes ago thing. Look look i'm not saying they don't like him. I'm saying that like it shouldn't like him. I don't see him saying he would wanna come back as he said he wants to come back or he would. I think you would want more than anyone else right now because i think willingness is a huge aspect of this at this point the audience said cody was the third most likely to return. I don't think cody would come back unless they can all winter season. Because i think he wouldn't want to tarnish his new legacy. Well you know when. I when i when we interviewed him in the finale night i believe he said something along the lines of It might not have been with us. It might have been someone else but he was like. I'm down point me at it. That much about legacy. Maybe maybe he. He's out of the house. But we'll see basically i've seen he's like. Oh stop it. Thanks obviously better than me. Like i'm not i. I watched dan and will play like they're the greats So i i don't think he i don't think he minds all that much and it's it's money and he's good at it so if you're looking at like his family they like reality. Tv so you'll probably want to go back. june. Al was enforced there. Could i think you know would come back. Yeah oh yeah and then the actually before. There's a drop-off christmas place in the wrong. The wrong either. I think christmas would come back. And i think that they would actually ask her. And you know what christmas is. She wasn't that boring. I'd rather watch christmas over david any day of the week. Sorry i do like how much christmas like respects the game and like talks about how much she loves the game like maybe she i don't i don't remember whether or not she was a fan before she on her season. But i do like the fact that i do feel like. She has like reverence for the game and respect for it. So if you have a player like that. I'm fine with it. As long as they respect the game that the jets as host kind of records. Note alright. well let's talk about the legacy watch. The legacy watches something that we've been doing all season long on to participate in here. It is we we saved you for last here melissa. I'm excited yes. So what what we do in the legacy watch. I'm gonna bring it up on the screen if you're watching if you're not we will try our best to describe what is going on. This is the legacy watch. There are six tears and legacy is is whatever you wanted to be a usually some combination of game play personality likability impact in the show. Whatever it is just their legacy as a player as a character on the show here. It is whatever you define it to be and here are the tears at the top. The big brother pantheon. The gods of big brother they go in in there in the past two journal has gone in there and then come out of it. She's gone up and down what you're looking at right now. Is these standings from the preseason before anything changed in the pantheon you will expect And we did include some of these winners previously during the season. People like dan and will and derrick. Those are the people that are often included in the pantheon but there are other people that That could could get there as well. Then you have top tier you know best of the best kinds of players but maybe not quite into the pantheon but they are about as high as you get without ascending to god hood. Then you have upper tier. These are dislike good players. They're memorable people that stand out to you but they're not like the biggest characters in the world then you've got middle tier kind of your average you know. Stick them anywhere. they're they're fine. Maybe they're good player but orrin character. Maybe they're a great character but really bad player. However you wanted to find that then you've got the low tier where it's just like. What are they doing on the show. And then the bottom tier which is Somebody should be fired for casting person in the preseason before big brother twenty two started. This is how these players were ranked. Christmas was in the bottom tier followed by david in the low tier with bailey at the top of the low tier. Melissa you giving them face because you think that's too high for david. Yeah i mean like in terms of deir. Should i remind you of your own to me the legacy. Why is very different from. Yes lawyer frank i think that the legacy watch for me like impact. They pounding game like stare their position as the way that fans remember them. And everything like that so like i also like whether talked enough whether or not their beloved things like that to me. David i thought would be a good player in the game. And i was impressed with his skills but i do not think he made any sort of impact on the game or like on his people remembering him. I mean if he was in big moose recent season of big brother. I don't think that it would have been a question. So i don't think that david i don't think christmas belongs in the bottom. Without david i think that there are other people who belong in the bottom tier with christmas. Starting out the starting out now now could be all different. Because you know it's the end of the season was starting out now way all right well Bailey was at the top of the low tier than in the middle tier. You had an zo at the bottom of the middle ear above. Enzo was nicole. Anthony above nicole. Anthony was devan at the top of the middle tier Felt was pretty low. At time or at least i did then in the upper tier. We had the majority of the players. Here we had memphis at the bottom of the upper tier. We had heyzer above him. Then cody nicole. Frenzel heaven campbell and kisha at the top of the upper tier then in top tier. We had ian at the bottom of the top tier. We had danny. Above ian tyler. Above danny and janelle at the top. The top tier. Nobody was in the pantheon. Now shocking to me. I would be wise in is case or not in their. Why at the time wasn't danny in there. Tyler like feel like those guys should have been in there for like. Enzo should have been higher. Wow everyone was really wrong on this one. You guys did a very bad job to say that you're getting to look at it. After the facts well now claim that you would have done something you know. Even if the be any of the season we checked about these people like we said like tyler was one of the best to never win and whatever we are now like. We don't even need a discuss out. One danny. We all were like thrilled that she was going on like she had such a good previous. two seasons. Like this is this is wrong. And it's just it's unacceptable. Really so i mean i'd like to see where everyone is on these people now for sure but we have to understand that it's starting off at a wrong physicians. Okay okay good. Well here's how things changed over the course of the season. This is where everyone was placed in the legacy. Watch in the postseason down at the very bottom is david who went down into the bottom tier at the bottom of the bottom tier. This is this is the opposite direction that i think they've been have gone. If david was a bottom tier player to begin with. I think he should have gone up into loads here. I think i don't care if people say he was boring. I think he brought some of the most amount of entertainment on the season. And i think he is a character and i. I do think he's a memorable character from the season personally. I think that this is probably correct placement for david. I think that he yeah. He brought entertainment but in terms of like did he bring it was entertainment. Was something makes cody. Told me about flipping on did you did you use. Did you use your power on me. You save those things are all like yes like. Oh we're all groaning about how bad it is. But it's like that doesn't put into me as like a higher place on the one eighty eighty-seven i think his legacy Is him cheer. And i think that if anything like previously before the season i would have thought good things about him just because i was like okay like we were like you said earlier like i thought he would be a good player. I thought that he had the reads. He had the you know drive. He had this and that but really he was he was he was pretty clueless and i do think he belongs on the bottom tier. I think that in terms of of some entertainment he gave you out you know. He made a bunch of mistakes and that was like interesting to watch. Because we're all through our through our fingers with our hands in front of our face. But i don't think that i don't think that that puts them in the low tier. I think he's bottom tier right. Well above david just on the fringe just on the precipice of dropping lower nicole anthony at the bottom of the low tier at the bottom of the low tier. Is nicole anthony. Christmas will be moving up above nicole anthony after we talk about nicole so she man. She came close to dropping into that bottom tier but she is here in the day. Should i mean. I guess if we're talking about like if we're taking into account her previous game i guess maybe that would put her above david but i don't think that she did anything better than david. This season if anything. I think david did better than her. I think that she would belong in the in the bottom tier for me after this season. Well i do think she at least has you know. She was america's favorite player. She was very popular player in her first season. So that y- this is a full accounting of their overall legacy. So i think that is what's helping her here and i will tell you. She's not that far above david considering considering she had last season in the game to like david didn't even understand the game at times voice. Leeann regards to like the legacy watch. It's like what am i thinking of this person. Now like it's like to me it's like what do what are what impression are they leaving of me now and after season i do feel like nicole is the bottom tier player. She's probably very nice. And everything like that. Yes yes yes. And she had a really good season big brother twenty one but after the season it is leaving a different kind of taste in my mouth than it did. Big brother twenty-one so to me if i'm thinking of her legacy. I am thinking of like a bottom tier player. Who like was totally wrong on everything and was betraying the people who were who were the only people who were work trying to work with her so yeah i would put her as bottom tier. The views definitely fair. Is it really water running water. It's cooking sorry k. Podcasting from the kitchen kitchen kitchen literally located right here when no or so. It's just like it's not ideal. Sorry but this is where the best internet is. so it's really just a whole water. it's well above nicole. Anthony in the low tier is christmas. Who moves up from the bottom tier above both david and nicole christmas improving her legacy and i will say in the popularity poll also. She didn't lose by as much. So okay. i love it i. I'd like to spend less time talking about the drugs here. Sorry i mean. I do think that i don't know if i would put christmases low. Cheer i do. I feel like after both seasons. She's gone so far in both season. Yeah i honestly would probably put her in the middle tier. Just because i do think that she she wins competitions. She plays a certain style of game. That doesn't win her. The game is the problem. But i think in terms of like her legacy. I do think people at least for me. At least i would so not happy with christmas. After her first season whereas this season i feel better about her honestly. Like i feel like this season i do feel like she was trying to have more agency and was trying to get put herself in a good position whereas last season she basically said like all. I want you to win. So this season i do feel like i'm viewing her in a different way in terms of she's she may be with the lining up people didn't want her to be aligning with. And maybe you know had some blunders in terms of the fights that she was in and maybe some of the things she said. But i do think that like in terms of her game. I'm viewing her as a middle tier player versus a low low tier or bottom tier player for sure. All right. well. I'm thinking of now. Let me know if you guys disagree. Why don't we just rate the players on their game. Play as we go through them. In the legacy. Watch while since we're all talking about them and we want to go back through the list a second time. Does that sound good. Yeah yes okay and then let me We'll we'll go back and forth here. We'll pull up the the stock watch page here. Here we go. this is a little off. It's fine knows where we know who the show i'm Parents to top erin. prentiss rent. Well let's let's just quickly rate some of these players here starting with david. We'll talk about david who was at the bottom tier wise branches to. Yeah it's a two sorry no very very little entertainment for me. Terrible game play. And i don't even think you understood what was happening most of the time. It's too yes to be clear what we're doing here. Okay and we are. We are rating already now. We are reading them so over the course of the season we gave them ratings based on how they were doing that week their placement their positioning the game. Play up until that point. What we're doing now is rating them as players overall. Meaning if they were to come back how might we expect them to go. I you know it's a to that same store. Yes and if you put this person in a thousand games is like a first time. Maybe sometimes the second time player. How often would they win the game out of ten being scored. And so a david is a two from brent and after everything that i said i agree too. I mean not a great performance. I do give him a bit of a little bit of credit here because he is essentially a new player playing with a bunch of veterans who all had one more experienced than him. I mean most of these people have played for at least somewhere around eighty days and he's played for basically zero. That's a significant disadvantage. And it's definitely going to make him look like he's not a good player but also wasn't a great player he never really made any meaningful connections connection. Thing is huge. The people that live act with he burned them. Ray wasn't good. I think that if he was someone who could make very good connections with people and was very social and everything like that like maybe that could help carry him. But i think he he has a problem with that and then he also isn't very good of this strategy aspect of it or the competitions additionally like i don't see him improving in a new season like for example. Say you set him up next season and say like okay. David your house. I don't see him doing anything to improve himself with the meantime he didn't watch any seasons to prepare himself. He didn't do any research he basically just came in blind again. And i don't see him doing that if he's put on a future season so i just feel like he would just keep going in and doing the same thing and i do think that we probably did him a disservice by saying that his were super good last season because then he went in thinking that is reads. Were good and i feel like that was the same thing with a lot of people like kevin dave. They were nicole word. Like oh nicole a. We're like yeah my my reads. Everyone knows me for my reads. And then they'd be so set on trusting their gut that they wouldn't just like open up their eyes and look around them and see that they were totally off as so. Yeah i mean with david the ads for me as well. Unfortunately all right well we did the same thing. Last season we gave the players overall ratings last season. Brenton myself david rees this season. We dropped him down to a two. We were pretty close on where he should have stood. I guess and now we're correcting one down to a two melissa gave david seven overall. She has dropped him down. Five points down to the audience gave david five last season. this season. the audience has dropped him down to a re As well they should meritous there. It honestly it's too bad and that's why i think that you know he's got that legacy watch position So i i will tell you this. Small spoilers for the audience rating is the lowest rating by just a hair of the entire cast. This season from the audience All right so then above david the legacy watching the low tier. We had nicole anthony. Let's talk about nicole anthony as a player. How do we rate her as a player. I will say last season. At the end of last season i gave nicole anthony a six out of ten. I thought she had potential that she was capable of working on the outside of a group. If she had been included in the group she would have been in a much better position might have been able to do some better work. She showed some amount of good instincts. But i was not high on her. I gave her a six this season. I have dropped her down to a four. I feel like she the things she didn't grow. Twenty one definitely still exist. Both kind of what i saw from here is that a lot of what she was doing. I do think was helped along by cliff. I think the cliff was really the driver. The person who's able to point them in the right direction and get her going in the right direction. I think that she the thing that i appreciated about her. In big brother twenty one is that she had a lot of relationships with the people in power. And that she. She was able to work her way around them. She tried to strike at them but then she kinda got a little gun shy and then she was just trying to survive for a while and she was good at damage control and she was good at surviving bud watching her this season. I'm convinced that she's just never going to be included in one of the big groups. It's just the cards for her. She doesn't do the work to be included. And that's something that we weren't able to see big brother twenty one because the feeds on for the first week. So you just kinda like well you know. Maybe just got unlucky enough. She actively didn't do the work to be included in these big groups this season all the way back to the pre gaming into the the week itself as she was not doing that work and then without somebody like cliff to kind of keep her level. We saw that you know having having kevin there as her confidante was was was not great. So it's it's a four four for me. Melissa how do you feel for me. I think that if we're looking at like you know like you said if we put this player into like hundred games or whatever are they going to how many times they're gonna they're gonna win like what's there when equity and i just think that she's always going to have that problem of joining the big group. If big brother continues to cost away. They costs i think that that somewhere she struggles. And if you're not included in the group or you don't have connections with people in the big group then you know it's gonna be a problem for you so i do see that being a problem and also do see her being influenced by people and so like if you happen to put her with him with someone who's not influencing her in the correct way like for example kevin this season and then she's going to just follow what that person says and of believe that and take that even though we would she sing with their own is is something different so i do think that you know. She was lucky like you said that she was paired with cliff. Who had the good reads in the first season that she played it but unfortunately this season she didn't have that so i do. It definitely does a lower my confidence in paying in the future. I also wanna say very quickly. I think that she became a worst player after her experience and big brother. Twenty one which comes into my rating a little bit that as a first time player actually actually interest a better player than as a second time player. I think i was reading her. Strictly on this game what she might do moving forward. It would probably be lower than a four when i'm looking at her overall stature as a player and as a first time player. I'm adjusting to afford. So that's that's why it's the four for me you feel feel similarly like i feel like the outside of the big alliance is where she almost feels comfortable like she's going to protest and say. Oh no that's not what i want. That's not where i want to be. But i do feel like there's a part of the of feels comfortable in that aspect of the game in like she. Just maybe i feel like sometimes she beat yourself up and it's like i don't deserve that you know like like there's a part of her. That just is that way. I think somebody in the chat was faith asked. Can you actively do something passively. Like you know like that's what she's doing. She's actively sort of not being part of the big alliance. I think she i think she's good with that. It's easier for her to work on the outside. She's used to being an outsider and work from there like a part of her identity. Yeah so i agree with the four people in the chat were know tearing. You haven't explained the four very well. I'm like i did he. Yeah she's never going to be a part of the big alliance that automatically. We have more information than we had after her initial season having seen her twice now and we got to. This was this season was even more important because we have to see the first week. We didn't get to see that on her original season. So i understand where the forest coming from. I agree with it. Yes i will say again. Last season i gave her six. Brent gave her a six melissa and the audience gave nicole sevens so this season audience moved down with brie re from the audience. Big drop from the audience on nicole. Anthony she was the second lowest rating score overall in the cast. So above nicole on the legacy watch in the low tier is christmas. We don't have ratings postseason ratings for christmas. We did not do this in big brother. Nineteen but we can talk about christmas as a player. We can start with you melissa. I think i think that christmas. She's a tough one. Just because like i see her getting far and in the game probably every time she plays just because number one. She attached herself to usually a pretty strong alliance. And you know plays with that alliance the entire time and so far each time. You know she's ridden it to the end however like i don't know if i see her and i guess so it's like she makes it down to the end if she's playing one hundred times she's probably gonna win some of those times however for the most part i just feel like. She's not always playing to win. She seems to be playing to get far but then doesn't know how to like. Take it over the hump just one of one of a few in an alliance. So she's not like a number one or number two. Anybody really aside from tyler. I guess this. But i do think that you know. She's a tough one to ray. And i don't know if i can. I kind of feel like. I have to just give her like a a middling score just because i think she's a strong player however i don't know if she wins and i feel like she doesn't necessarily do the work that it takes to win a jury though. I guess i'd probably give her trying to remember what i gave her in your survey because i build that out so they remember this and then he did. I results yeah. I didn't die submitted. My results i was like all right. I'm good and i was away. I don't have if you really wanna look. I think if you click on the serves edible so you probably can click on it and see all your choices if you're interested all right. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna give her a five but i'm also check my myers check my survey to see if i did that. The same brent christmas. I've a little bit better. I'm gonna give her six. I feel like most the time she knew. We've seen her seasons now and both times she's been able to get into the majority alliance. People seem to enjoy her like they'd be behind their back behind her back there a little bit her like she's a little crazy you know but but she's also somebody that they sense loyalty from like. I never felt like anybody in the majority alliance felt like christmas was severely coming for them and so much later in the game when like basically she had to show her cards and she's fun tv to like i know that she's a bit messy and i know she's gonna be a horrible person at times like i get all that believe me. I don't disagree with you guys on that. But she's not boring and that that along that gets like a half point with me you so it's a six okay. This is going to be six coup. Which john and i'll go with my original because i had thought that one through so i guess i'll give her a six all right there. You go now. She's teetering between here. I would have given her a seven except for the missing. Melissa brought up the fact that can she jury vote for me. Because here's here's how i feel about christmas genuinely. I think she's one of the best players on the cats in terms of like in the game. She's actively working in to make it further in the game. She's capable of winning competitions. She's she she's able to get in the people she's very rarely like an active target of people. But i think part of why she's so quote unquote good in the game is because everyone knows she can't win and jury vote. She's not respected in the house. And that gives her more wiggle room to play that game. Which i do think she's pretty decent at but i really do feel like she's always going to have trouble winning jury. I really do i like. There's there's no chance she's gonna win this game no chance nobody was gonna vote for her in the and now. I think it's very easy. You could easily say this is unfair for me to say this and to give her the rating gonna give her because she probably could have won big brother nineteen and that's one and two fifty percent chance she was going to win the game but i also think historically bad jury management from all of the final three. I don't know if she's ever gonna find a per for more perfect place to win the game and she still managed to lose and it was her fault to a degree So that's that's one big negative for her game. The second big negative is that she is too easily manipulated and used by other people. I think especially if you look at our end game you see that she was a little bit self interested. She was willing cut cody. She's willing to do some things that a lot of other people weren't but what you might forget is that she was doing all of that for memphis and that she was going to take memphis to the end over nicole over anyone and she would have lost memphis and prior to that. She was used by nicole and prior to that being used by tyler. And that's just kind of the game that she plays even the second time around and so for me. It's a tricky one. Because like i said. I think she's one of the better in game players winnick. Would he wise. It's a four for me okay. Interesting five and make it even fit right in the middle right. The audience agrees with me on this one. Actually the audience gave her a or in the preseason. They gave her christmas a three. They moved up from three to four. Well that's the one thing you said was. She's too easily manipulated by people. I feel like you need to say she's too easily. Manipulated by mid langley is one of the people that thinks so. I don't feel like. I felt like it was nicole versus tyler. Who does who can get christmas to target their target. Wanted to target the danny side of things. Nicole swayed to target bailey and tyler. Enzo were unable to convince her. Otherwise I mean i feel you. I feel alright. So let's move back over to the legacy that's going to be a five overall for christmas. Let's move back over to the legacy watch. Look at the next person in line here. And that is going to be kevin campbell. Who was going to drop all the way up. This is in sixth place overall in the upper tier dropping all the way down to fourth to last above christmas in the low tier. This might be the furthest anyone has fallen in the legacy. Watch this season quite a ways to go here. Or kevin campbell hurts brent. I know you were a fan of kevin as well. I was like i don't know what to make. I mean listening to to kevin in his instagram and some of his interviews after the season like it does seem like he had a somewhat of an understanding of where he was going wrong and the season and some mistakes and he owns his shit too. That's the other thing i appreciate like. Kevin is aware like i played terribly know here there everywhere like he he understands it but on the other hand by just because you understand it doesn't mean i'm gonna give you a pass for it so i understand where the audience is coming from. Insofar is like putting them in the lower tier. Do i agree that he belongs in the low tier. I think so because he didn't really give me anything this season he thinking. you know. Fight seating. Gimme no drama. You didn't give me no strategy. No good game play. Those sneaky moves no nothing character wise. He fell flat and yeah he he. He was somebody that a lot of people remembered from eleven but only like the hardcore fans a memorable character from eleven either through wise. It's just not there. Give me frankie. 'grande over kevin conway. Oh goodness i can't believe they say that Man well i i can't disagree too much. I i like a player. i'm probably going to be a lot higher on him as a player then as a in terms of his legacy i do think he did a lot of damage to his legacy Yeah okay moses in the chat he said he he said that the world doesn't revolve around you cody. And then. He immediately took it back and apologize. Grandma is that doesn't even count. let's talk about him as a player. Then moving back over to the ratings Brent how do you feel about kevin as a player. That's exclude the legacy. Just as a player. how how does he fare. Okay as a player. I don't know like i. I feel like he's kinda. She is a player. like i'm trying to remember his original season like the game was also a little different back. Then too in the juries were different back then to how should i go on is slow. That's the question. Because i'm not feeling kevin's game. I'm really night like he didn't give me give me any social strategy alone strategy. Did he did. He have a basic understanding of what was happening house. No at least he understood that it was good for him that if the people on the outside like john case or one h h that would have been probably good for him but he wasn't even then he was like actively trying to subvert them and target them when he needed them in the game like that really rubbed the wrong way and like. How can you not see the you are in trouble here. It's almost like kevin was on the block. And he was on the block and he was on the block and he was on the block and finally on the week that he's on the block needs to go home he realized. Oh shit travel girl like glue. What about like five weeks ago. And he knew who's in trouble he's never did anything to again. What could he have done. I'm trying to think of like the. We have done anything like he tried to save in somebody. I don't know. I don't even know what's going to get him here. All right well. Maybe i i can go melissa and go and you can think about it for me. A big part of this comes from his big brother eleven game but but you can see seeds of it in twenty two as well. I think i think he's really good at staying alive in the game. I mean this is like he is. he is nicole. Anthony was in big brother. Twenty one but more successful at it in big brother twenty two. He knows who to suck up to in power he. He makes them feel good about him. He was essentially saved for last in terms of the other people. He gives himself more outs to win competitions and potentially turn the game around if he's able to win however i think what this season showed me is that he's just really bad at reading people. In in house dynamics in his original season things were laid out in front of him two sides and what he needed to do to play them to ride the middle and play the game and you almost one and it was great. This season couldn't see the sides and he had nowhere had no idea where to go and he was just firing blindly and he had no he. He couldn't operate when things weren't laid out in front of him. I think an indifferent structured house. We see the better version of kevin the kevin that can actually play the game pretty well in this version. He's just not good enough. But i don't think we see this version of it frequently enough at least yet to say that i think he's a bad player overall because i think if you stick them in a thousand random seasons than at least half of them are going to be the seasons. He's good at where there are more clearly drawn lines. And i think that's where kevin can excel and so for me. I gave kevin six overall. I feel like. I'd still be willing to take him in a season in random season over a lot of other people. So that's that's where i stand here on kevin. Melissa how do you feel. I agree with their sentiment but at the same time. I don't really have the faith. If you put him in a bunch of random seasons that he would do well in like half of them. I just don't see that happening. I think that there is a very specific situation where he does well. And that's in a situation where the houses divided and he ride the middle. But i think that in terms of like if you put them in a house. I don't really see him. Making those connections with the people that i honestly i thought he would have a very easy time making connections with people when he comes into the house and it really seemed like it was difficult for him And you know at least if you can't make connections with people you could you know at least sit on the outside and kind of have a read of the house and kind of get the big picture that you are definitely not part of it and i feel like it took them too long to realize his position in the house and that concerns me a lot. I think that the fact that you know not only was he unable to view it like like you said he actively working against the people that were also on the outside and instead of trying to point that inward and i felt like it was just totally off as he steered nickel a and such a wrong direction. I just feel like it just. I'd eat it made me lose a lot of faith in him as a player and as as as just like you know his ability to read the situation and also socialize with people so yeah i give him a three okay brent. Where do you stand yeah. I'm probably with you guys with melissa. I should say yeah. no. I'm like. I remember how frustrated i was with him in nicole on and like you know even when he had opportunities to use his reading ability you know the vaunted reading ability. I don't know how many people going into the season we heard about the reading of reading ability and none of them were screwed up and i agree with most as well like i think. Most of the time like he's going to end up in this situation. It's it's going to be frustrating in the. It's true that this sort of situation that he encountered is not going to be very likely maybe he'll be able to stay alive so i want to give them credit for his cockroach abilities but on the on the whole like i wasn't that impressed with a and also like even if he had gone to the i don't think the jury relieving care for him so I'll be what go ahead like something that i think. He understands something that he articulated. Is that you know being that player. The one that is able to scrape by long enough. If you're able to get just long enough and you do have a path to win. And that's the ian path nicole. Anthony path that she attempted to make which is just. You just need to win. A couple of competitions you get that underdog status you get some momentum rolling and i do feel like even this season had. He been able to win a couple of competitions which. I don't think he's incapable of doing then. He would have had a small shot to win one. Yeah but i do. I i listened to both of you. And i find myself agreeing with melissa more. So i'm gonna give him a four yes I will say also that just to warn to warn you guys maybe a little bit i think kevin and bailey are probably the two best players of the people who were not in power this season and and and i've going to be my highest ratings of those people so because i think all of them made at least equivalent and usually worst mistakes than kevin and bailey did in this whole situation so the audience in the preseason gave kevin a seven out of ten and then we move to the postseason and they agreed with melissa him a three it was close to but it was not quite a three so there it is for kevin. I think that's overall going land him at a four all right. Let's head back to the legacy. Watch where we are going to talk about. The person i just mentioned bailey. Who is at the top of the low tier here. She started the season in the low tier. In fact she was at the top of the low tier at started the season Now she is in the same spot at the top of low. You're on popularity-wise. But legacy wise. She seemed to have the same terms of. that's wrong. i think in terms of for legacy. Like i think she absolutely came in and showed that she could play a good strategic. Gay machine could like not get into a blow up argument like people thought that she would like i feel like she came in and i do think she leaves the season with a much better with people in way more highly of her now than they did when she first started. I mean i could see a situation where she's low chair before but now after the season that's wrong that's wrong. She should at least be. I mean she should be mills here. I think she should be military. I think because you know. I think that strategically she's she is smart and i think that she you know she plays well. I think the problem is that she ends up in situations like she. Somehow she starts off with strong. And i feel like shared game always seems to peter out a little bit near the end and i think that that's where she liked kind of lose. Steam loses connections with people. Kind of like takes a backseat. Maybe or or something or something happens and you know she kind of loses it. But i i don't think she's a low tier player at all. I think she's a middle tier player for sure especially after the season. I feel like she came in. She like people like her. More people respect her game. More people like. I just feel like she came in and made a better reputation for herself than she had coming in. And that should amount to something in the legacy watch. It's very intriguing to me. It should amount to something. I also personally loved billion. This season A lot of fun. And i do wonder how the season would look you know. Cbs recently said that they're going to Have a goal of having fifty percents Pse for their shows moving forward including survivor big brother and obviously this season didn't have that and you know go back to how bailey was eliminated on this season. It was by christmas. Who decided she was going to target balian. She's going to put up dave on with her and she feared for her life when she decided to put them up on the block fearing for like i might get caught. I might get stabbed in the middle of the night if i do this like we. We know remember that you tell me why she put them up together so i don't i don't know that we can. I don't know that that the games that we've seen even we've seen two of them and she's ended up in about. The same spot is a fair representation of bailey's game i guess it's a fair representation of bailey's game from the big brother that we've known but i look forward the big brother that we haven't known where people like bailing devan don't have to play with thirteen other white people you know. They might have a shot with more people's house and yes. That is something that's going to save to the end. Not is i mean it's not relevant but when it's when it was placed but there were two announcements actually are not announcements one announcement. One rumor we will. I'm sure talk more in depth about one is that. Cbs did announce that they're casting will essentially match. What orissa from big brother. Canada said that she was going to make sure happened in canada. Which is that as fifty percent of the cast will be people of color non bland white people living and and this is very interesting. This is very interesting. Because i do think it will change the dynamics of of how this will play out for a lot of people who come into the house as a minority. But it's being well bailey. What i think is interesting here about bailey. Is that again in the legacy watch. She basically stayed the same top of the low tier in the ratings in the preseason the audience gave her a four in the postseason the audience gave her four no movement as a player for bayley and yet as i mentioned in the favorite player list she was fifteenth place and moved up to eighth place. just makes me think it's just because people hate other people it has nothing to do with baileigh then which is like side. You know. I think that these ratings are wrong. I think that that's not right at all. I think she played much better this season than she did last season. And i think that you know yes. It kinda fell off near the end but it didn't take nosedive like it did that first season. I just feel like i disagree. I think that while. I don't think that she's like star top tier player. I think you know. I mean if we're just gonna do ratings like not that i'm much higher than everyone else but I think i gave her a five in ratings. Have to go back and check. But i think i gave her a five. We'll give verse similar to kevin. I said kevin and bailey were probably the two best players from the people outside of the power structure. I think she came back and did prove that. She's a very capable social player. I think strategically she is fine. I think she makes some missteps strategically that mostly involve like she plays. I think too much into personal relationships and not enough into strategy and that is one of the faults of her game. But i think the biggest fault of her game is that she is when we talk about cody. How we haven't really seen him half to climb out of a tough spot. We have seen bailey. I try to climb out of a tough spot. And she is not very good at it so that is definitely her biggest fault. I am however confident more than ever that if you stick her in a random season i do think she'll do pretty well regardless of the percentage of the cast. Whatever i think that she is a very capable player she has trouble with adversity. But you don't always face adversity. And i think outside of the adversity sometimes faces. She does pretty well. I mean again. Imagine a world where memphis is able to include bailey in the committee. He doesn't get vetoed by danny. Because let's be real. The reason danny vetoed. Bailey was because she knew bailey had to deal with l. She told nicole about it on night. One she wasn't comfortable telling memphis about it but she used some excuse about she's tight with von but that's why she didn't want bailey in the committee. I would imagine because she she news tight was but let's say she didn't. Let's say don't danny hasn't snaked journal and she doesn't know that and so danny is not able to veto bailey from the committee and have reason to bailey is involved in the committee. She's tight with memphis because they had a good relationship at that point. And they're both tight with janelle. Bailey is now the only person the committee that's with memphis week to who's like yes. I'm with you. Let's not nominate janelle. They probably get tight. They probably have a power structure involving chanel. In case there in von and some of those people and i think she has some agency in the game. I do think and we talked about this for as much as we may love devan. There were many times in the game and where devan was not making the best decisions and it definitely did not help game that she was so attached today von and this is again where i feel like daily. Sometimes it takes the sort of like personal relationships over these strategic decisions and she was sort of allowed herself to be dragged down by some of those decisions but overall i do think she's a very capable player. I don't think we've been able to fully see it yet. But i think it's there. Yeah i agree with your six. I think she's i think she's a really fantastic player. I love i love her. Her social game in the house is pretty spot on and in a house where he actually has a chance. I think that she goes far Like nobody's ever going to come for early. Seems like most people want to include her in the power structure overall and like. She's she's never boring. And i like i like that should beats with their heart. I like players like all right. Well it's going to be a five overall there for bayley let's head back to the legacy watch and in the legacy watch above bailey in the middle tier is kiesha who has dropped from the top of the upper tier down to the bottom of the middle tier a big hit for kisha this season. I'm going to agree disagree with this. Hit personally in legacy watch and probably also disagree with wherever it goes in the game rating as well because my personal opinion is that this season. What did it do really. i mean really i get. People were upset that she didn't really do much in week. One for me is just like we just. She never really had much of a chance to get off her feet. I don't know what they're saying is like you know usually week. One is like two weeks long this week. This time it was one week she she got there. She was a last minute replacement person who didn't get to pre-game with anyone she gets there. She's looking around. She loses the first age. She's targeted immediately. She wouldn't have even been the person that gone. That went home week. One if not for the safety suite. Which w was went bad for her and then just like that she goes out. She doesn't really know where to turn to get the votes and let's face it even if she does campaign there's nothing she could have done. She wouldn't have gotten anywhere. I know what people wanted from her. The legacy watch is that she would have thought and yelled and screamed and gone all coven but it just wasn't in the cards here and i personally don't think that tarnishes our legacy but i understand why some people do i feel like one thing can be said about her in that she didn't. She didn't play the safety suite. She knew she was in trouble. She was there. She knew that her name was on. Cody's lips in the first week. She also knew that. Jon allen cases name was that their names were also on cody slips. I feel like say plane to safety suite when you don't know what you could win. H h week to one of your allies. When h hoa week to you know that your enemy is in power and you have an opportunity to play the safety suite just to get yourself safe to get your feet wet in the game. You have been able to pre game with anybody. It's good it's normally not there and big giving you a chance to reach out and grab a life raft and your bitch ass take it. Are you kidding me like that. That i was. I was aghast when that happened. So so i'm i understand where the where the audience coming from and being frustrated with asia. How could you not play that like when you had the chance like. Just just just swipe your card man. That's all you needed to do. Like i know that in the end in case or maybe he's wins at and near saves janelle. Maybe it's maybe the same but at least she doesn't leave something on the table like she left big brother having not played in the one competition that could have saved her. I get i get that but at the same time for me. It's like that's one one decision okay and it also was a decision that like if we remember the details like nobody was swiping their card until the very last second. That's that's even worse though like the one person to swipe your card like that's gonna like the but let's look. I don't think it's the worst. I think there are reasons for her to make that call if nobody swipes card. Then that means it's jalen on the block and one of them is going home and now you still have the ability to swipe next week even and you make a target of yourself in the first we should have been up there next to that god damn card with it now. And that's why it's like. I'm not going to tarnish her legacy by a full tier and a half or whatever because she didn't have her card with her upstairs in the thing thing right like what is that is not like jennifer car. Accident is okay. I must have yeah. That's terrible like you have to at least like you know the only way you're going to go up is if john case are safe and the only way they're going to be safe is that they if one of them unsafe sweet and saves the other one so you're asked that'd be up there next to that door when when there's twenty twenty thirty seconds laugh you better have your card with you and be standing right there guard like seriously. I thought i would do i if you see them coming up. You got to swipe a to you have to do it. I'll stop nineteen all right. Well that's rakija stands in the legacy watch but how about the the ratings here this is. This is an interesting one. As i said i basically just gave my speech bill legacy the same thing basically stands for me player wise. I feel like what she this does not take away the games she played in big brother ten. I think she's basically still that player She was put in a spot where there's not a lot that she could have done. Yes i fault her for not having her card they're not being more prepared but it's a relatively minor mistake in terms of she was put in such a no win situation that she had to be perfect in winning the safeties with whatever in order to survive one week and the fact that she was unable to you. Get out of there. Like i don't think that most players get out of the position. She was in their week. One given what happened. I think that any player lower than a seven out of ten is not making it out of that spot and for me. Her big brother seven game or rather stay ten game was like seven or eight out of ten and so i'm going to go with a seven here for kisha. I really don't feel like the season did much to tell me any more about her game personally. Melissa what do you think yeah. I mean this is a hard one. I think i rated her lower. When i did the survey but i think after hearing new guys both talk about her. I think that like. I do need to be a little. I need to give a little more weight to big brother. Ten and not just like focus on this season especially because we don't really know that much about it kind of like when i was initially doing my rating was thinking like well. You know she got up first so that has to show show something to it and it didn't seem like she really bonded with people and it didn't seem like she was really trying. I mean yes it might have been trying in vain but it did seem like you kind of gave up. And then we even when she was campaigning. At zoom zuma shoes saying the right things. So it's kind of like. I don't know however you know i do feel like i need to give more wage ten so i'm just going to give her a five just because i do feel like i don't really know moving forward. I don't know this season gave that much information about her. However i do think that she didn't really play this season all that well so i do feel like that. Affects the brent. Yeah i agree with you. Taryn i think that overall i'm not gonna hold her. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna i'm not gonna dog richie bad. I'm gonna give her six all right. Well the audience gave her a six in the preseason in the postseason. They gave her three jesse. The audience is like what have you done for me lately. And also and i think this was a part of the legacy watches. Well i think ten was now over ten years ago and the people in the preseason the the only people that rated kishan in the preseason were people who knew about kisha and many of the people that don't know about you shouldn't be another their ten only from this season. They're the ones that are going to be. You know tha- that's additional votes. That only know her from this season and would understandably being very low on her based on what they saw this season so that's their from from the audience. Melissa you gave her a five. I believe which is going to keep her at a five overall Let's go back to the legacy watch above kiesha on the legacy watch. We have danny falling all the way from third place in the top tier down to second to last in the middle tier rough stuff for danny understandable. Now i still think the danny is going to be somebody that you think about. When you think about big brother i mean. She's played three times. She basically grew up on the show. Part of its history. I think middle tier is like rough punishment for disappointing. She was personally. I would be more punishing on her gameplay than her overall legacy because she still was a huge character on this season huge impact. So i can understand where this comes from. I'm not sure. I fully agree with it though brown. Yeah put it in the upper tier. Actually because danny is never bahrain and she finally like it's impossible for danny not to be a little bit messy. There were so many of the weeks in twenty two or filled up with you know. Yeah this person's going home but dude danny. She's on thin ice because so many like her. Name's on so many people's lives so messy like they don't trust her and she and she's she's also really intense like she comes up to people and she asked him stuff tomato the way she comes at them. It's just really like. Wow so i mean. She's not boring. So i don't know why people are upset with. I mean yeah. She was part of the majority alliance but she knew she was part of the majority alliance and she was determined. You know look on. She made a conscious decision coming into this season. I'm gonna play a different type of game. I played the fan service game last time. Yes that got me all the screens in the world. But i want the money i understand. I understand where she's coming from the fact that she's already giving me the ask leans like i was more forgiving of the fact that she was like. I wanna be a little boring this time and win the money. So i'm okay with that so i wouldn't. I wouldn't drop down this far. I'd have her like in the bottom part of the upper tier. I kind of agree with the middle tier but i could see upper tier as well. I'm kind of like teetering between the two. Just because i do think that her legacy is tarnished because that sounds so like but i do feel like it kind of is in that like every i mean even when you look at like favorite players and the people we were excited about coming in everyone was excited about danny danny was number one. People were thrilled. and i do feel like now when you look back danny. You're not going to necessarily like this is the one that's burned in everyone's minds and so i do feel like you're going to say well you know she was really fun. And i you seasons but this season was just knocked for danny like she really lost a lot of fans there And i think that's a huge part to me of the legacy watches. Like what are people gonna think about. Danny and i think people think less of her this time around so i could see her being middle tier. I mean i think. I think i would have had her from top tier if i was doing the legacy rankings. In the beginning. I probably would have her in the top tier and a probably now. I mean yeah. I'd either be lead lower part of the upper tier or middle tier. So i think that kind of right in terms of What the audience gave her here. It's unfortunate but you know you see like kind of a fall from grace if you will just because people loved her and now i don't see that as much well let's talk about her rating than as a player i will say i was never overly impressed with danny as player overall. I think that her big brother eight game was not great. It was definitely helped. A lot by You know we talk about evil. Dick winning because of america's player but danny getting as far as you did was also certainly down to some degree to america's player and helped and hurt by her dad being there for sure her also. She has a reputation as a comp east because of brother eight and the competition. She won that season. But when you look at the competition that she had. That season was competing against her. Dad and like You know some other people. Eric was throwing every single competition every time like there wasn't really good. Dawn competition that season for her. She certainly won a couple of things there in in big brother thirteen. But nothing like super comp beastie and so then you see this season. She was not really able to win many competitions at all i think her reputation is accomplished probably a bit overblown as a player. Thirteen she also made some big blunders. and in that cost her position the game. now. I don't think she was terrible and thirteen. I think she was in a pretty decent position but she was also a returning player. New player cast mixed cast which gave her an advantage to begin with but either way she was still doing decently but then made some pretty critical errors. This season almost seemed to be her best game so far her most advanced game and yet they were still. It was still full of holes. It seems she's way too obviously better seeds that she planted michigan far too much to cody entrusted him way too much. Let him run her game to a degree and was just a massive house target for most of the game. So i mean she tries. She plays hard. She has a head for the game and she's competent competitions at the very least so. I give her some credit so for me it kind of balances out to a five. That's exactly the same for me. I you know. I certainly. I enjoyed watching danny. I don't want to sit there and say that. I necessarily agreeing that her legacy is i'd now. I think that fans are not thrilled with now. But i i honestly like i was. I loved the way that she was in. Dr talking about how you know how she was a puppet master and i love the shoes owning your game and that she was laughing at the fact that america hates their side and their alliance and i thought that you know she was entertaining to watch. She brought like some interesting gameplay and it wasn't just a simple like okay. We're in a big alliance emerged stadia until the end. So i honestly. I enjoyed watching her. I i was happy to see her back. I was disappointed that that was that. You kinda just like and the second half of the game kind of like did whatever cody wanted her to do and kind of just trusted him too much. Because i feel like that's where she really fell off but overall i think she i think if you put her in a different house she might play a better game but you might also worse game and that's why it kinda evens out to a five for me. Oh yes sorry immensely my score. I was listening to the two of you. And i'm like oh i know it's gordon giving her give dania six like danny like it has competent game play. She understands her position in the game. She she did make a mistake. This season in terms of she was a little bit like the land that got leads at the slaughter as in like i look at it like early survivor. When people didn't know that the bottom people needed to rise up and go against the power structure she thought she was in the power structure and she got led to the slaughter by cody and his allies. So there's that. But i don't hold it against her because she was definitely. I said earlier. She was trying to play a different type of game. But as i said throughout the season. I felt like she really overcorrected because if she had had a little bit of the old danny inner she has the wherewithal to be able to do something and realize that. Hey i'm in trouble here. Like i need to change the course here. This is not a good path for me. People were talking about targeting. Danny all the way back in like three or four like anything. She realized how lucky she was just to make the jury. I think she has the skills and so and she's also really fun and the fact that it's the her confessionals life i'll give her a six well in the preseason. The audience gave danny eight out of ten on game. Play in the postseason. They agreed with melissa and myself gave her a five. So if a drop. Air danny game play as well. Let's move back to the legacy. Watch here in the middle tier of danny. We have memphis dropped from the upper tier to the middle tier. Now not a huge drop for memphis but it was a drop and this is actually a drop that has been relatively recent as early as the previous legacy. Watch we did. He was still in the upper tier so he has dropped down into the middle tier. I can kind of understand this. I think i would not agree gameplay wise entertainment wise did he give us much. This season. give us much in his first season. Still i think the most memorable thing about memphis is that he's not a womanizer. So i can see that being fair legacy i guess the i guess i see that however for me i think he improved on his legacy for me because i was way more impressed with his game. Play this time around. And i felt like i always felt like last time. It was like okay. Well he's with dan so it's dan doing everything but i do feel like this season. He kind of just like things in jewish own hands and was like all right. Yeah we're gonna make this alliance renew this not and presumably like i mean by all accounts. It shouldn't have worked. You know the committee and everything but it did. And i think that i like memphis style of gameplay as well where it's like hey this is what i'm doing and this is what's going to happen and you know like the game that's what i'm doing whereas other people they beat around the bush they don't tell you what they're actually thinking they say. No one's telling me anything. I have no idea what's going on. Even though they have exactly the knowledge of what's going on. So i just liked. That memphis was up front with everything and i did appreciate that style of gameplay so to me i do think is i think he stays in the upper tier. I don't think he's top tier but they do think that. Like i respect his game more now and i realized that he is a good player. You know much more than i did before. So i do disagree with this one brent out i mean i think that's probably right memphis he. We loved memphis because he was part of the renegades and he gave us like like dan elevated memphis okay but there is no dan this time it was a memphis and this is about right in fact like middle tier memphis being the boring old like grumpy guy like i feel like this is actually pretty fair for him as far as legacy goes gameplay wise. Yeah in play wise. I was definitely very impressed with memphis. This season two i. I was very impressive after big ten. In fact i had memphis listed in my best to never win list that we did around four years ago. We did a podcast. And i talked about. Memphis is one of my best to never win. He came back and from in my view. He proved me right. Work have improved rooms financially wrong. And so i was very impressed with memphis. A great run and big brother. Two thousand ten fold by running back with the twenty two. He's just a couple of endgame competitions away from being the big brother twenty two winner. And here's the thing about memphis. You know we talked about the committee now dominant was and he created the committee shore but a lot of people like okay but yeah but he didn't really do anything like they. Just want all the competitions. That's why he was safe. Whatever but the but the fact is from in my view. He forged together a group of people he had very little social connection to his off a week later by not doing their bidding and setting up his own version of what he wanted and then they protected him for the rest of the game which is pretty good and it was intentional that he did this he intentionally set himself up in a position where he was being protected by those people he was never a huge target by anyone in the game and then he sets himself up in the end game with this wiseguys plan. Which i do think was a pretty good plan. The problem is that he just chose the wrong person and he was just off by a little bit. He chose enzo to be the lynch pin of his plan. And if enzo is just a little more self interested he probably doesn't read it out to cody and if he doesn't read it out to cody then memphis has an even better chance in the end to win one or two of those competitions and take home the win i really do feel like this is a very impressive game. One that will probably stay underrated in the history of how we talk about the season. But i was very very impressed with memphis this season. I think he is room to improve as a player. But i really do think that he's he's really good at what he does and i gave him an eight. I mean i agree with what you said. I give him a seven. Just because i don't know how this would work in a random season like maybe it was just that this season if barack worked i mean if you put him in a random house with a typical big brother cast like. I don't know if him doing the like grumpy. Old memphis routine mike. Hey i don't really talk to you guys were to do this alliance and we're gonna do it kind of highly work with everyone Do i don't know about that. But i do think that like i was very impressed with his game. Play here and so. I gotta give them a seven. I give them a seven. I felt like i needed a little bit more from him. As far as panache as far as the season goes maybe it was just spoiled by what he was like with dan. But yeah i mean. The fact that he filled in the blanks for me was the big kicker meaning that i felt like i had an understanding of what memphis was doing and where he was going in the big twenty two game and then when he keeps it up a notch and with only three days to prepare for to the fact that like he gets a call three days before sequester comes into a game that is full of people who have connections. Who have at least talked a little bit here and manages to get in there and become basically the person with the second best chance to win overall. Maybe played the second best game overall like. It's very impressive. Yeah it really is. So i give a really good or here seven all right well in the preseason. The audience gave memphis six in the postseason. The audience gave memphis six. Yeah really did. They can appreciate but they're really impressed by him. You always just. He needs a little bit of a shine. Some some amazing move like he almost had it with like the wiseguys saying he was trying to be like. I was a little bit. There was a little bit of dan in him with naming pays off. I know right. Yeah like naming them both wise guys. Imagine christmas cutting cody at the final foregoing cody. I'm sorry it's been the wise guys all along like. Are you serious. Definitely had dan implications. There would do something like that because he knew it'd be fun for the audience and the gag gag worthiness of it all. So there's a memphis tried it. It just didn't work alright. So that's a seven overall from memphis the highest rating so far. But let's move on back over to a legacy watch above memphis on the legacy watch. We have von in the upper tier. She has made into the upper tier moving up from the preseason. They von moving from the middle tier to the upper tier. She's been on a bit of a roller coaster. Ride all season long up and down up and down. But she's ending on a high note winning america's favorite player and her legacy has improved. I think the americas favorite player definitely sister and this. I think if you're just looking at game play you might not see why she would be an upper tier but legacy watch to me. Takes account like your impact on the season and your impact with the fans. And i think that marriage flavor player is is a big part of that so yeah i would agree with her new. I think i probably have her in the top tier. I think i'd probably have her in the bottom part of the top tier. Because i just think dave has become synonymous with big brother like she is such a big water. Cooler talk about big brother is about like david on rogers. Would you say presents us presence on the show. Every season is about her even seventeen. She was we talk about her on. Seventeen yeah yeah. That's actually a good point. Yeah she might actually be topped here. Yeah i think she. I think she really is like. She talked your game play. Obviously even her speeches this season. I mean also like every season that she does. She's always in the dr telling the story. I think also in in terms of for performance in a jury house each time. Like i just feel like she does a really good job with leads the narrative and then she basically hosted the roundtable. So yeah i mean. I think that yeah. I guess i would go talk to your makes sense to me now that you mention it. Yeah all right well. Let's let's talk about her game then. Strong game brent's you want to start off here. Sure okay look. I don't think. I don't think i want to give her that bad of score. I think she she understands what to do. So i can't remember if he's i'm pretty sure i don't even know i can reveal that sorry i they've got a little help from some summary out from some some reality veterans going into this season. I can't remember. I don't think it's been revealed or maybe it hasn't been either like that's the thing i can't remember so i can't realty guys but i know that she. She tried like she tried. She went and got how she tried to put a plug up the holes that our game and you know in in a different season with a different cast. that's higher black indigenous people of color. Maybe she's got a shot but this season with this big mayo alliance. I was as we were calling it controlling the season like they were just not gonna let her. They were not gonna let her win. Also it should also be said that like yvonne is so enigmatic because for her to be able to use the veto in the face of everybody in the house. Basically telling her not to use the veto like that. Just like that. That's what we love about big brother and she did it she. She never forgot the fans. I remember like the first week or two the first night. Maybe she at the camera going my guys. I know i'm trying. I'm trying to work this out with me. And danny danny hearn fright. I know it's she's trying to just trying to make us happy. So i i'll give her five. I like she she has some. She has some tools and she could win. She could win big brother if she got a couple of breaks here. Nash just never got this race. God damned david wine. You win that. I i wish i could agree with you. I feel like she did get breaks. And i feel like she actively sabotaged game every step of the way i just you. Just she makes she makes decisions like strategically. I wish she like. I think talking about the game. She probably knows exactly what to do but when she's there it seems like she always does. She always turns the wrong way question so the week. The ian went home where she voted to evict tyler. Would like i feel like that. It should grow being mean to her because we're punishing or i mean she. Yeah i mean she did. The i mean. I mean week that week. She thought that she had convinced. She was the one that convinced. Danny to put up because she thought that was in the core and she thought that she was done done a really good job and that she was going to vote. Now until can only obvious with you know what was happening and then even after that happened she then believed nicole. david was the one that flipped. I think that's the best example of like you know that should have been a very straightforward vote and it was not very straightforward. And i feel like she trusts. Didn't she doesn't trust people she should she fact checks which makes people not trust her. I think her biggest strength is her likeability. Do think she can win the game if she gets to the end she. She did win that veto but apart from that. She's not in great competitions and strategically. I don't love it And there's too many things that the drag her down in the game that she she makes those decisions in it and it really points in the wrong direction. But i do think like strengths. She's likable and she really bonds to her. Like she really acquires allies very easily. She makes people want to work with her personality wise but then she kind of pushes them away when she questions them and she backtracks other things so for me. it's unfortunately it's two three for they. Von but the yeah. I'm gonna go right in between you guys and give a four. Because i agree with what both of you guys were saying. All right well. The audience is with brent. Actually they were five. Yeah i don't like being. I don't like being the bad guy here. I don't. it's a fair you're being fair. All right let's move on back to the legacy watch. We have above yvonne in the upper tier. Enzo enzo who has jumped up from the middle tier so both ends. Oh and devan a bit of a jump there from the middle tier up into the upper tier. I think this is mostly fair for end. So i think he deserves upper tier especially after this season. I don't know if i would go all the way to top tier especially considering the fact that he was not a people pleaser from the for the audience an audience. He's a people pleaser in the house side of the house getting so i think upper tiers legacy wise. I would say like game play. Like i think he's up there. I think like him in the top tier in terms of the impact that he's had the show being a co creator of the brigade which has been one of the major changes in the structure of how the game is played and being somebody that it's made it to the final three into the final two. That is a big character. Every time he plays. I could easily see case to be made that he should be top tier at the same time. He's not the most entertaining player. The structure he created is not one that people enjoy and this season. He did not do the things that the audience wanted him to do. So i can see why he's here in the upper tier i totally agree and he's also really fun on tv like we we love him he is very fun. Yeah and he can be. He can drive you crazy at times but like like it's impossible to be mad at him you so who've had andrea mad people were at have people are frustrated with him but they feel like then when he goes and talks and like jokes around. You're like oh. I hate this guy. He's awful you're like. Oh did you do that. And they can talk to us. He can mirror us and make us feel like we like him again. Well it is. Because i mean when he talked to you For this interview. I love when he was like. Okay what do you think like what should what do you think about what i should talk about this for your first the first thing he said to me tearing. I know i know this guy and i was like. Oh wow on me right away. Let's see. I thought he did a good job. Because after the interviews thin he cares about. You know what you guys think of him and what you think of his game play and everything and that's important the fact that rob clocked said like i'll never do a podcast. Never never do one of those okay. I'll do what would you guys also also down and talk. Yeah hopefully he does like all right. Well how do we feel about. Enso's game brent with you. Last time we can we can do. We can do me this time. What do i have to say about enzo. I think ends is a great player. I do. I think prior to the season. I probably would give him a seven ish. And that i felt like people probably overrated him. As i look and so he did all right. He's a good player. He was part of the structure that that did very well but but he didn't really have much of a shot to win anything. He sort of overestimates his own ability in the game. He comes back this time and kind of proves himself right to a degree. I think that he was able to replicate. He did the first time and that is very impressive. I think one of the best social players just in terms of the ability to mirror people the ability to make people feel like he's on their side. It's it's it's an impressive ability that he has and i i hesitate to say one of the best social players because i think social liability is more than just that one aspect of things. One of the parts of social social playing is is jury management and convincing people to respect you and he does not have that of social maneuvering positioning getting himself in a spot. Where nobody's coming for him. Everybody feels like he's on their side. He is really really good at that. He did two amazing degree in big brother. Twelve and then again here in big brother. Twenty two full of all stars. I'm very impressed by his game. The biggest problem that he has is that he is somebody that plays a little scared is a little bit lack of agency. He doesn't push things very hard. And i think he needs to play a little bit riskier. If you want to break out of the mold that he has for himself and then and then the second part is that. He's not gonna competitions. Swing the couple of competition similar to memphis competitions and he could win this game. I think more than anyone else. He probably is capable of consistently finding a path to the end game with the chance to win. Which is phenomenal. It's just his chance to win. Is probably never going to be the highest chance in the end game. It's probably gonna be the lowest chance every time he gets they're going to get there pretty consistently so very good overall. I'm going to move him up from where i had him before. I wanna give him an eight with enzo. I do think he can win. This game at some point and i think consistently he will make it very far. I concur with the aids. That's exactly the yeah. I'm debating whether i want to give them a seven or an eight. Just because i do agree with you. That number one. I think he plays a really great social game. I think that you're right in that. He probably will get the end a lot of the times. I mean he already has is however i do think that his game kind of falls off on this in the second half and i think that the second half is where you need to be winning titians making big moves proving yourself creating a good bench for you on the jury and i think that he kind of lose it there. I think the first half of the game is super strong for him. And i think if you put them in any house it'll be super strong for him. However i think that those other elements are important. I don't i don't know. I just feel like i don't see him winning that much like i feel like i seen him playing well and i see him getting far. But i don't feel like even if you put them at random number of seasons. I don't really see him winning. And that's why i'm a. I'm a little bit between the two. And the reason why i'm sitting here like waffling is because i'm thinking about who who would be higher than him and i'm thinking like what do i want to potentially give cody. Do i like want to give him a nine or do i want to give cody eight and seven. I don't know can you give the audience scores. Yes so i. The audience in the preseason gave enzo a six in the post season they gave. Enzo six now. these are very scores. It was it was barely a six in the preseason and it was just short of a seven in the postseason so it was almost a full point forward but not quite enough to get it all the way i will say. I think enzo can win a season. A season like big brother twenty. I think ends wednesday. I think enzo is a better version of a player like casey personally. Just elax competence is the big problem. And that's where. Casey has a leg up on him but but in terms of like active gameplay strategy positioning himself to always be in that kc position. I think ends is always going to be there. To reap the rewards of bitter jury or just a jury that feels closer to him than the person sitting next to even if he doesn't win those competitions conrad mate. There you go. i guess. I'll do it but you know it could have been a seven seven. You're you're on watch. Yeah ends on watch on right. Let's head back over to the legacy watch and above enzo in the upper tier we have. This is actually close one. Refresh the page here just in case. There's any updates. the survey is still live guys. So if you want you still want to take you can go to my twitter armstrong and take the survey if you are interested in contributing and giving your thoughts so here it is nicole. Franceville is going to land there. Above enzo enzo and then nicole nicole. Who was in the upper tier and is going to stay in the upper tier. No big movement here in fact this is almost exactly the same score. She had prior to the season. Starting no real movement. I think that's true. I think. I think this is punitive and i think it's gonna change. I think that. I think honestly. I think i probably put her in the top tier and then got super close. She almost became our first two time winner. Which i think is a big deal. Obviously it's a big deal. So i think i don't know i feel like i would probably put her in the top tier. I mean she's also is like she's been on the seasons now that's alive and she's done well in. She did decently in her first time but then did super well in her second and third time. So i'm kind of you know. I do think that she should probably be in the top tier by this point. I i concur. I think look. She's the person who has played the most amount of big brother of anybody anybody And she has spent the most time on our screens and she is a winner. Who is one of the closest players to ever win twice and like her or hate her. You have an opinion on nicole friends she has. They're boring and this season. I think her status has certainly elevated beyond where it was before in terms of her placement in the the annals of big brother legacy i mean i certainly respect your more this season than i did last season i feel like big brother eighteen. I was like it's a fluke. She should no one now. I'm like okay. She did it again. We all need to look at this a little differently. She's she's you know gone to the final three. She could have possibly one like we don't know and so you know i think that's something significant Well let's talk about her game. Then let's talk about where she stands in the game and i knew you were thinking about that because i was saying i was remembering the time that you said the something else. Yeah and that's why. That came to mind and i couldn't think of another one in the moment so remember when it was the only audio overload like us tariff you heard when parents says yo The annals of big brother he like he took his second to like. Make sure you were saying the right word. Because when i said like about two years ago i said the angels of big brother is really on. It was right. Like i really did like i said it was such confidence and like it hasn't come up since then but i couldn't remember that i was the one who said you know terry was being careful not to say the second you started smiling and typing. I was like he's about to type this in the chat. All right good. Feel great about almost game This season i think i i. We did not rate games back in a big brother eighteen. But i think somewhere along the way i gave her winning game in eight or seven or i think it wasn't eight. I think kerr winning game. And and that's that's basically where i stand on her as a player. I think that she is a very talented player. She is the most experienced player out there. And i think this season solidifies the potential. She always had all going all the way back to big brother. Sixteen like i said she learns from big brother sixteen. She learned from that experience. She brought that knowledge to big with their eighteen should better. She brought that knowledge. To this season. In my opinion she did even better in the first half of the game. She was the first month of the game right. She was insulated. She was influential through. It was really the first half until ian left at which. Point cody outflanked. Her and she was forced to adapt and survive under cody's thumb and she did then survived and got to a position where she came one question away. Potentially two questions away from being capable of winning for a second time. Now the biggest flaw here as i said it's her willingness to take people to the end that she can't essentially beat but as i mentioned before i do think that something she could learn from and if she did play again even though she doesn't really want to. I don't think that would be a flaw. That would still be there. And that's who she is as a player. And that's why i'm so high on her as player so i gave her. Yeah like come on like you know that if you know three or four years from now like in big brother twenty-five they decided to do a second chance to season or are heroes and villains or something you know like two or three years from now. She's going to have the edge to play. You know she is. She's gonna wanna come back. She's going to want to prove herself and she's not gonna she doesn't want this to be the ending taste in her mouth so i do feel like. There's a chance that she come back. And you know what i know. You guys think. Because every time i say something positive about nicola christmas the chat things i've been possessed or something like i'm sorry they. They were not boring. this season. the call. I enjoyed nicole more than i disliked her. This season she was she really like other three seasons. I've watched nicole on my television. This was the one that i enjoyed the most because she was absolutely insufferable when it came to like being paranoid about where she was in a game but it was fascinating to watch and i do feel like there were times where she slowly inch over to owning her game like. It wasn't a lot but it was a little bit. It was more than she had before. And the fact that she did it basically on her own. Like i know that somebody in the shadow also said oh. Stop rent after the first couple of weeks like she was basically just like under cody's thumb. Well unlike you know what i'm gonna like. What's the difference between her and zone like they both pick the same horse to ride in inroad into the end so like if that's the way gonna play then that's good for her. I do wish that she would've cut cody there at the end. But that's that's probably a flaw in her game she needs to reevaluate and fix overall. I'll give her a seven. I was really impressed with her game. Play and i think that you should be. I would give her an eight as well. I was absolutely impressive. There i think people need to respect your game. i mean. look even if it's not necessarily the kind of game you look want to watch or anything like that. She's gone to the end twice now. And i think that it's very impressive You have to give her credit and they don't think it's a situation where she's just being dragged along. I think she does her own work. And i and i think it's very impressive so i to give her credit and i'm getting eight right well. The audience gave her a six in the preseason and a six in the postseason they do not significantly on nicole. She didn't go up a little bit within the six to seven. Did they give her a seven. Yeah the final week. They gave her a seven c. Not quite enough there. So let's head back over to the legacy. Watch above nicole in the legacy. Watch by a hair in terry. Who fell down from the top tier into the upper tier. Which i think is fair enough. I mean he's still the guy. That beat dan kiessling And you may disagree with the way it happened but it still app still. He's legacy wise. That cemented forever. Right but i think probably what's happening here like for me. What i saw from ian game play was not surprising. But i think for a lot of people with base off from in this season. They were kind of expecting more That disappointment has translated to legacybox. Yeah i mean. I agree with that. I think that people when you say like oh he beat danke slang. What a star. I think that people are expecting that sort. Gameplay they're expecting you know legendary gateway. And i think that his reads during the season and the fact that he kinda tied himself nicole and didn't realize he was in power and there was one glimmering moment where it seemed like he really had everything figured out and he knew what he was going to do with it. But then this second there was some adversity. He just came crawling back and it wasn't like okay. there's adversity but and i need to crawl back but i still. I'm keeping my eye out. Because now i know the structure noguera need to work with blah blah blah and. I'm just trying to stay back right now. It didn't feel that way. It felt like okay. Well i gave up and not going to deal with that anymore. And i'm just going gonna go back with the power like it. It was not great. I think i think that it could have taken another turn. And i do think like in terms of like the legacy watch. I think he has. His legacy could have been better. Had he led a rebellion against them. And even if you would have gotten out right away. I think that at least is legacy would say the same. Maybe the game play aspect of it would have dropped a little bit but i think in terms of his legacy that would have been something people would have wanted to see instead. It did seem like oh okay. It's in just following nicole around and even then when he starts to realize what's going on it doesn't matter he just wants to stay with her and stay with the group and she's part of something so it just wasn't wasn't great for anna this season. Yeah i don't understand the audience being so down on end. I mean like like he's still like one of the bright parts of big brother history like he really is know the fact that he'd be dan and that was an amazing season like that was such an amazing season in. He beat dan. Oh dan in nothing season. That was that season was everything and he still wanted and how we wanted like. They tried to get on sony times. They couldn't get him out in the one time to game out like you had to make the play against shane. Like dan did obviously like i understand where they're coming from with the end but i think i probably would more favorably and also. He took it on the chin like he win. He was eliminated. I know people were down on him because he was like. If i'm i in jury. I'm going to talk to anybody afterwards. I going to do this. I'm not gonna stay there but like once. He was actually a victim. He was like you get good game. You know. I understand why. I understand what you guys did it. And like in the fact that he was targeted by some secret alliance that he didn't know about made him feel better like him and you guys is. I felt like so i. I don't understand being down on the end. I probably have like. I'd probably had in the probably at the top of the upper tiers. This isn't that far off or maybe at the bottom of the top tier. I still think he's he's like he's one of the faces. The casual viewers recognize. It's ian exactly all right. What about his game and we feel about his game here A pretty good grasp on what was happening. Don't you think well okay. Four were moment in time. I feel like you did. He lost the plot themselves told him. Yes yes i know. Well happens but even then like he didn't go with that like a frustration. Because i remember like listening to him and he was like he had it all figured out. I'm like oh my god okay. Yeah i know yeah. He got by like the fruit of the poisonous tree. You know like it's like you would never be admitted as evidence that you got it but like all my god like we don't care who cares and then totally discard it at all. So i don't know if you'll by the end right now. I mean i think he has a great head for the game. I do think that counts for a lot. It's just that like it again in the game. He's never able to apply that knowledge. Because he's i think his worst quality in the game is his inability to things as they are that that was his biggest flaw in bitter fourteen is that he was being led around on a leash by dan and he was blindfolded bubble. Time and this time. It felt very similar. Only it was with nicole until he finally finds out his eyes were opened literally outside influence pulls down the blindfold he sees. What's happening and mike. Okay now nian. Finally has an awareness of the game of like what's happening. Now he can apply is great mind for the game now will really see what he's made of and he just completely fumbled it and he did not know what to do with it and he told it to the wrong people and he immediately got out at and immediate beg for his life and he was put right back into the place that he was before and it was like. Oh well i guess that's not what he needs either. Still still more that he needs. And so it's it's tough. I think like he's tenacious. He does have game knowledge somewhere in that brain. He is very likeable and he. He can be very good competitions. As long as they're the kind that are in his wheelhouse. And i think those are all positive for his game and i think those are what elevates him to for me a five because really that com ability like he was unavoidable in big brother. Fourteen for so long and because he was so good at competitions and he's so likable that he can get to the end now granted. He was not likeable and fourteen by the cast. He was only like a couple of people on that guys but he was like this season. And i think that's i think that's important. So yeah it's a five. It's probably barely a five. I think he did improve on his game this season. But i think it's a five on comments on commons alone. It's a five for me as well and taking into account his win before and his gameplay last time i think this time it would have been even lower. Had he not one last time and not played before which is unfortunate. But you know that's just evens out that way. Yeah boy yeah. With guys there it is in the preseason. Ian got an eight from the audience in the postseason with us actually. They gave him a five so similar. To danny who. I believe had the same trajectory here in eight to five from the audience and it was a close one but it we landed at five here so it is straight fives first. We all agree on. Let's move back over to the legacy watch above in in the legacy watch in the upper tier. No no sorry. This is not in the upper tier anymore. We are moving on either way. So this is the upper tier. It has yvonne. Enzo nicole and ian. They are separated so each tier consists of a range of ten points. All four of devan end zone nicole and ian rated by about one point. They're all very closely grouped together at the bottom of the score range. Then we have a big jump into the upper tier and the first person in the upper tier at the bottom of the upper tier. Is cody tyler of christine even really. Yes so tyler is going to be at the bottom of the upper tier. One of my biggest questions leading into the finale was. Can cody overtake tyler. And as you see here that has in fact happened and as we will talk about cody eventually but there is hyler who in the preseason was in the top tier but he was at the top top tier and this time he is the bottom of the top tier. He is only a couple of points away from dropping into the opportunity has managed to hold on here honestly. I might drop into the upper tier disney them just say i do feel like he. He played so well time and was like. Oh my god amazing like we all were like. He's one of the best never win. He should have won. You know all that sorta stuff and then this season was just such a departure from that and it showed that like we had always said you know well. He never really faced adversity in his season. And so you know works. We're interested to see what it's like when he faces adversity and it did seem that the second based adversity here he kinda crumbled and to bear his heart wasn't in it and maybe it would be a different thing if like he had played with his heart and wanted to be there and all that sort of stuff. Maybe it'd be totally different. But i do think that his legacy here drops based on his performance this season. I just feel like he was an impressive. We add some high hopes from coming in and it did seem like in the beginning. You know she could do some good things and then it kind of just all just fell apart and then he tried to quit essentially and i feel like that should tarnish her legacy so you know i. I don't know. If i put him in top tier i honestly would put him in the upper tier and i apologize. I may have misspoke is in the bottom at the bottom of the top tier. He's in the top tier. You corrected later on. I think you said here and then you you. You said the bottom of the top tier so yeah. He's in the bottom of the top tier. And i would not have in there. I think that the the cab. The audience is so into his looks and is the know generosity of spirit like a super nice guy like and that's great but like what he gave us on the show. I don't feel like he gave us that much. The season like he was so on and off with his play in terms of what he's capable up like. We got cheated out of what tyler could have given us. Yeah i do think this was a disappointing season. But i do still remember the joy he gave me in big brother twenty and the things that he did starting from week one and then moving like the whole like two thirds of a season. He gave a lot and he was a big part of probably one of the better seasons in the last five six years so five years for years. I don't know there's a bit of drought around big brother. Big brother twenty has a moat around it. It's it's an island paradise ceo. So at least. I think from the perspective of a lot of a lot of the fans. I think he still has the like. If vanessa came back and embalmed. She'd still have seventeen and what she gave us in seventeen right and i kind of feel similarly about tyler but i cannot disagree with the fact that his legacy has been tarnished to a degree here and i would not have have not understood either if he had dropped down into the upper tier by tyler. Let's talk about his game. Tyler as a player now in big brother twenty. I believe i don't have it in front of me because i don't think it was written down. I know i gave him a nine. I don't know if you guys remember what you gave him. But i think he got a nine overall so you must have given nine some some of you must have given nine likely. Yeah tyler i guess i can go first in this one like is that he has all the tools like understands what he's to do for the most part the one thing. I will quibble with that. His game is that he came into the season. Being like well. I made too many deals last time. I don't wanna make any deals. This time he played softer this time. Which is not what he needed to do. One in all star season he needed to play harder and he didn't grasp that and i don't know that he's still grasp that like here's in go ahead. Here's my theory. I think tyler knows that it wasn't the best idea to not make a billion final two deals. I think he knows that. That's not the better way to play the game. I think he knew that it made enough sense that it was an excuse to not play as hard because it was too much for him to play harder. He didn't want to want to have to go through all the stuff that he went through the first time. We know we didn't even want to be there so like this sort of like well look. Let me try a different way. I won't play hard and it's kinda justified by this logic. I won't have to do all that stuff in stress myself out and be eldad and whatever i think that part of him knew that this wasn't like the ideal strategy but went with it anyway because for him. It was what he needed theory. Yeah i know. I'm with you. I'm with you I guess i'm going to. I'm guessing i'm going to go with the fact that i know that. He is capable of playing to the best of his ability and it took basically a perfect game from cody to beat. Tyler's previous best score in the stock. Watch like tyler had score. That i thought really no one could top. He was just so good for so long on that season. And then cody camp comes along and plays big brother. Twenty two where. He was like god-like almost so. I think i'm gonna give tyler a really good score. The question is like i want to give him the nine ten. Or do i want to. Because i think he's an amazing player but i also think that there are some laws to his game and also the passion the passion. That's what that's what bugs me about it. He doesn't have the passion any sort of like kind of goes with it also at the big brother. Twenty that's the other thing. He turned down the passion. He could have won. The game turned down the passion and didn't want to like have to decide between his friends so he threw the veto and let them decide. I'm going to give me an eight. That's that's where i'm at and exactly those reasons brand. When i gave him a nine the reason i didn't give a ten because played an extraordinary game. The reason i didn't give him a ten was because of what i saw in the end game. Which is that kind of loosened. Descript bit he kinda kinda. let go of the reins. He stopped working on sam. He stopped working on some of these people that he had been doing maintenance on he kind of let go of some of the control he wasn't he didn't have the killer instincts to take the shot at casey and bring it to the end through that final four veto. He let it play out the way it needed to play out and those flaws were like that concerns me. I cannot give him a ten knowing that there. I see him playing in twenty. Two and those flaws are exaggerated to the extreme. Those flaws have blossomed and become a living lives of their own now and is a huge part of his game as a player in big brother. Twenty two and i do think he played a worse game in twenty two than he did in twenty and i think that is indicative of those flaws. I think that he just. He doesn't have the heart or the passion to play to the fullest extent of his capability. He's to his passive as a person and and that's not a bad thing necessarily as a as a person but as a player it does not really work for him and so knowing what i know now about him and his personality and the way that he will play the game I agree. I gave him an eight and i agree with you there. I said i would give them a seven. Which is sad. Because i really do think. He's a great player if he wants to be. And i think that's the problem is i. Don't see him wanting it for the majority of the time and so i think that that Me looking at his pre. I guess if you're looking at this season my rating would be a lot lower but if you're adding in this previous season that's why it gets raised just because i think the season was really bad for him. I think he could have been good. And i think even after you know the quit situation and all that he could have turned it around but i felt like i don't know i just feel like he didn't have he didn't want to and really plays into my game rating of him and i do want to say that the is not only because of last season the nine great game but even without the passion when we talk about his flaws he still did really well. I mean like it's nothing compared to his season twenty season but he still came kind of close to winning this game. you also just needed a few. He didn't need a couple of years. Few endgame commons a couple of things to break his way here there and he would've had a great chance of winning this game even without his heart in it. Let's how talented player. I think he is naturally because he doesn't have that passion that's going to be a detriment to his game. So that's why it's it's an eight for me even though it's a very negative talking point around eight which is very positive score. That's that's the explanation for the positive score. The audience in the preseason gave tyler nine. The postseason gave him a seven dropping down from the nine to seven. So it's going to be an eight overall therefore tyler. Let's move on in the legacy. Watch tyler in the top tier. We have qaysar acer in top tier above interesting. I would put i honestly and this may be controversial. I guess but i would absolutely put qaysar in the pantheon that he yeah. I think he is like. I mean a his associate with big brother times billion think that he people talked a lot about this season on social media and in the news and things like alex that the segments that they did on case there you know where he talks about social issues that that was really huge in big sixty was legendary and mcgruther seventy was legendary and even now he's legendary. I feel like you. You have to take that into account. And i think that especially when partnered with someone like giannella feel like it raises his profile and even afterwards on social media. I think he's you know still contributing to that legacy. And so i do think for me. At least i would put him in the pantheon for sure because yeah similar today on and i think even more successfully been devan case three in terms of making an impression the seasons that he has been a part of like people remember heyzer. He is such a large presence. You know people remember qaysar from big brother six more than almost anyone else. From that season people remember qaysar. And dr will and bogie and janelle but they still remember qaysar from season seven all stars and the engine l. and codeine nicole. He is going to be remembered from this season. And he's never made the jury right like goes. that's huge. Yeah to still have that. I still have people remembering you and thinking about you and talking about you. I mean it's not have ever made the jury that's very impressive. Used favorite player of the season on this form. Yeah exactly and then i'm jay. All right we go on for days about case there. So that's that's the good stuff about qaysar. Let's talk about his came. Yes yes this is hard for me. I guess i'll open. I mean look. He's really smart. he's a smart guy. He was saying some great things started the season about how big alliance is formed. And you can't let them form because they'll control the lines of communication. They'll run the game great points but couldn't get anyone to listen to him and that's a problem. It's a problem. He's often had in the game his allies consistently don't trust him in season six. He has allies. The don't trust him. Don't listen to him and season. Seventy s allies. That don't trust him. Don't listen to him. Defect and season twenty two is allies. Don't listen to him. Don't trust him. And the fact his enemies target him even though he's not much of a threat they still go after him because he's such a big presence the thing about case or is that he can't help but be and that's why i love him and that's why he fails as a player. I gave three. Because i mean look. There's something there. There are building blocks for a good player. But there's just there's no connective tissue is never been able to be put together in any successful way so i wanted to. Yeah i just need to my ear. A little bit. Because john deere. I'm i'm not gonna do it. Tarascon turns back like he's really bad. Okay i'm gonna give them to like. I thought you were going to give you. Actually like he's really bad like even the fact that he's smart comes off as snooty to some of these people like they feel intimidated by him. Like i like i. I'm not saying that. I'm all that like i. Who knows like how people see me like you never know how you're perceived by other people until you actually talk with other people but we've seen heyzer three times now and i feel like all three times like he just never is able to get along with the people that he needs to get along with a long run at the game three times and you've never made jury and like this time. There was an extra competition for you to win. Be safe and you still didn't make jury like and also like the fact the him and jeannie both swipes at so bugs the shit out of me like why did he stop her. And say mc no. You don't like obviously let me. Swipe why what why. What and he he's supposed to. He didn't tell her to do that. I come on. This is crazy to be fair thing. We also haven't seen casey play really like without genetic. And i know. Okay yes she. He was in the house without genetic. But that's not the same because it's it starts you off on a bad foot when you already have such a strong ally there that you ever knows. You're not gonna go against and stuff like that. So i do think it'd be interesting to like if we're just looking at what we're talking about here. Which is a place these players in one hundred seasons. How will they do like is there or is he by himself and i do think that that makes a difference for me however you know yes i do. Think that there that he has never really shown strength when it comes to his game. Play and moving going far in the game as we said but i do see that. He has good reads. I feel like he's so smart. And i feel like if you could just like piece it all together. It would be great for him. Unfortunately we haven't really seen that but also we've never really seen them enter a house without having gino there so i don't know and so i gotta give before. I think he is a player. Who if he made it into a majority group. If you made it into one of those big lines start he through would be able to handle it recently and he would not blow up his own spot. It's going to be very difficult for him to get into those groups. He's always going to be no fighting fighting the power and that's going to be that's going to be dangerous farm so the audience in the preseason gave qaysar six in the postseason they gave case or five. Three five five. Oh my gosh guys such softies. He's really bad at the game guys like we put him in the pantheon or i mean i personally wouldn't. I would actually have him in the in the top tier. I had off here. Wouldn't have them in. The pantheon. Like i feel like like dude. You don't know how many like i went to work and let people know that ipod podcast big brother. And they're like they talked to you about big brother and they're like like who keeps her was like who's that guy. I'd have never seen him before like they needed. They didn't even like him that much this season when they watched it like so. Now they're wrong. I know that wrong. You're right. you're wrong but that's how some of the people our own you know as say the people out on the street that's what they think they didn't remember case there and even when they even when they got to know him then like all that much. So although i do have to say like people like my mom who've been watching all this time of love keister so huge fan of case there from my family so you know there are people out there who saw him on his seasons on this season are like go cancer so yeah all right next on the legacy watch in the top tier of keister we have journal. And cody left as the only two who's going to be next. What's the guests on placement. Here it has to be your top tier analysis pantheon. Who do you stop. Tiered to knows pantheon. Well you're right about one thing and that is that cody is above qaysar in the top tier he has. Nobody's in the pantheon set our. I thought you were saying you're right about one thing. Meaning that we're right that cody's in top tier but that's not in pantheon addressing. Well be clearer to bill. Of course i yeah. You freaked me out there will. Yeah melissa's the audience only speak. What and. I'm going to be like who in all capital letters. Beverly's like odd. You didn't make it back. Why of boys people what. I will say melissa. I looked at christina's charts. And this season i actually was the closest to the audience rating all season long during the stock watch. There's no way. I don't believe it. I don't believe that you're not the people you can't make. Maybe maybe you should be rating closer to where the audience rating. I don't know maybe. Just be more in tune with what the people like me. No it's fine. We'll just switch the robot and that's fine this strategy robot all right. So here's cody. Definitely a jump from where he was before he was in the upper tier and he is not that far away from the pantheon. I don't know if he ever will make it to the pantheon. He's still enough of a stretch away but but here it is you know he is in second place. Overall with a dominant win is definitely going to be talked about as one of the best winners one of the best players to ever play the he's going to be in that conversation and that is definitely going to do well for him legacy wise her saly. I don't know. I don't know if i can put cody in the pantheon. Even if he is up there with derek. Even if even if i go you know what. He's better than derek which is possible in a conversation that i'm interested to have when we do winner. Went winner rankings. But even if he does. I'm not sure i can put him there and it kinda comes back to what i said before. We're like he's so well rounded of a player. But he's never gonna give me good tv out and i agree. Yeah that's legacy like derek. Even made a boring season for many people shore but he he was derek the undercover detective. He was he. He ran that season like Like a mafia boss but he was a detective undercover. And and like i said like he has to make up for like deficiencies in his game with other things were cody is just like he's just like the golden boy he's dislike And and and it's just like i mean yeah you're good but is that pantheon is that is that like there. Yeah so these angry. And also. I think it's yeah know exactly but the thing is is that you know if you're also looking at his previous season as well like i think if you're looking at like case or engine now you're looking at their previous seasons if we're looking at cody. You're looking brewers season. I don't see him being remembered for his previous season. Aside from you know making that mistake the end where he calls himself the game. So i do feel like the even though he played a really good game this season. I don't put him in the pantheon. I do move him ahead of where i would put him at the start of this season but i wouldn't put him up there. He's definitely top tier. Though i think near the top of the top tier just about where he is. It's exactly probably what i mean. He's definitely up there. He's just not one of the select few. I think pantheon wise legacy wise but stock. His game game game wise very high on code. Let me tell you. Let me tell you. I talked about season twenty and i talked about how i could not give tyler ten. There was just. There was something there. There was a flaw there. That made me feel worried about potential future seasons and i just don't see that with cody. The biggest criticism. I have of cody is one that i can't see. Maybe i. maybe he isn't able to get out of space. That i haven't seen him get into because he's good enough to avoid scrapes. If that's my biggest criticism. I don't really have much criticism. I gave them a ten. There's just no significant flaw. I his biggest flaws from his first season where he also had a great performance. And i wanna give him a nine were his jury management and his loyalty and this season he won unanimously by cutting an ally like he plugged easily plugged up those two holes and i genuinely think he is the most well rounded player we've ever seen and and he's a ten for me. It's just like sort of is. I feel like i agree with what you're saying. However for me like i do feel like i am missing the ability to get out of scrapes or the ability to face adversity. And we haven't really seen that. And so that's why i feel like i am missing a my also feel like i do have to. I do have to modify his score. Just based on like the pre-game relationships that he has whether or not that's pre gaming whatever he did come into this pre existing relationships more so than other people in the house. And so i do think that that affects my rating. Just because we don't know what would have happened. Had he come into a season with people that he didn't have a relationship with her that he didn't know i don't know if he would have performed as well. I do think he's still played really well. And i do think that he played really well his first season. So i don't think this is some fluke or that it's only because he has existing relationships. However i do think that that affects my rating. And i don't think i can give him the ten so i've got to give him a nine. I'll give him a ton ethan in the says. He outplayed enzo socially. Let that sink in the guy who everyone praises to be so good. Socially didn't even get one jury vote. I don't think the cody has to be a perfect. A player to get the ten for me. As long as he's like you know ninety five percent or above on. And i think the fact that he hasn't had a chance or to to show himself to show his work and get out of a scraper there. I feel like that's small potatoes. Compared to everything else. He does so well and the fact that you know. We talked about the pre-game relationships but there are people that have pre game relationships. I mean i know that knew a lot of people that were going to be on this season and look what happened her like now and yeah the list goes on the thing about cody is that people just loved being around some of that. I'll be real with you guys. Some of that. The fact that he's so fricking beautiful like he's such a sweet and that he's got a great smile honestly that's a part of his rate really is like he people just want to be around hand. They likely feel comfortable around him. We're human beings that sort of like to be blunt beauty. He's just a beautiful man. You just let it makes you feel better about yourself. Spin around him. You know and. I don't see anybody even if i'm on a season of complete strangers and there was no pre pre game whatsoever. I still feel like he would be very competent. I mean he was the first ninety he played. I think he would do really well. But i think that it would be risky because i think that people would be wary of him because i think they would see him as a big contra and i don't think people would have that loyalty to him. I think they would see him as a threat and be like we need to do something about this. Whereas i do feel like this season. He had those pre existing relationships until people didn't want to target him job though like who who would have targeted him that didn't because of a pre existing relationship. Anyone that he worked with prior to the season. I just feel like i don't i don't know the exact people that worked with him or worked with other people. But i do think that that affects my rating of of everyone really. I mean i don't think this is just kodiak effects my my rating of each player just because and so i think if we're looking at a situation where you know in your in your survey you said ten. Is dan geeze level. I don't see him on that level. So i can't give him a score of gangi sling level. That's the thing is like. He played his game. But i don't see him as a player. I hear you on that in that in that. Dan has more magic tricks than cody. Okay so like so then. If you're looking at it from that point of you're like well. I can't give a ten because he's not on dan's level as far as the magic tricks go but the thing is that i don't feel like cody needs the magic tricks. Dan needs the magic tricks. Kazan's messier. Dan has so i spot. Where in a spot were. Dan has to do a magic trick. Cody wins the competition. Just like that. it's like that. And cody is in fewer spots where he even needs to win children. I'm not saying he has to have a magic trick. I'm saying that this is a season where everybody came in already. Knowing people and i think that affects my rating of somebody. I think that like. I don't think that if we're when i'm reading these people in this situation i'm also thinking about the players that have come before them. Dan derek will everybody whether or not we've rated them and i'm thinking to myself in this situation. How am i comparing them to other people. And i think that in my opinion i think derek dannon doctor will get tens i do. I think that cody is on their level. I think that was played a similar game to their level season where he is has pre existing relationships with people love. That is different to me because this is his second season. This is in his first season. So i do think that that doxa point for me is that this isn't his first season. He played a good a good game or a great game. Whatever you wanna call it this season. But i think that if we're looking at the entirety of the big brother players and houseguests. I don't think that he is a tad. I just want to quickly say that. I fully respect the nine. That you're giving cody. And when i when i regret your argument is not because i am like trying to convince you of anything because i have enjoyed talking about it. I know that this reflects a perspective that the audience does have. And i do think there are worthy discussions to come from me right so i don't want the audience i think like they're fighting over one point lead one of they're doing but i will say about dr will season seven. He gamed way more than than going to win right. But that but that's impressive. Season right like his two game was not overly impressive. And so when we're comparing on doctor was impressive. Impressive and i for me. I think that like there are other factors to take into that. Come into play. Dr will where it's like. You know his influence over people number one the fact that he was able to then come in for a second season with a with boogie like basically essentially You know it's as if cody and derek came into the this season together and you know and then they ended up getting towards the end. I just feel like they wouldn't have. I feel like i absolutely see people targeting derek and cody right away and so i don't i mean we don't even see that we can't even can't even judge it on that but essentially like will got super far in his second season with his partner in crime that everyone knew was in an alliance and yet they still were able to make up to the end and still able to convince everyone that they were part of chill town. I thought that the game play was really impressive. Did he win. No but i think that the gameplay itself was very impressive to me. And i think the fact that he won on his first season is also hugely impactful on my rating. Dr will and do you went on your season. And i think that that that definitely influences the way that i judge things so for example nicole. She did not win on their first season in one on this i is an even though he played really really terribly this season. I do have to rate him higher just because he did win on his first season. Anyone against Weddings dan so i do think that like if we were only rating him for this season alone not considering anything else thinking about his relationship with these people wouldn't affect anything else of our other ratings of other seasons seasons futures seasons whatever and it was just this season alone. I probably would give him a ten. But when i'm taking into account the other seasons and players and the fact that he's played twice it does make me give them a nine instead. And i think that if we were giving higher ratings on ten then you're sure to give them a tad whatever who cares but i think if i have to think about the other players who i think personally deserve a ten. I don't necessarily put him in that group. And that's just the way i think about it right. So what. I'm trying to say about dr wills. Season seven game. Right in terms of the pre-game stuff right in that season. There were much bigger targets than dr will and mike boogie in that season. Many many big targets doctor will did not have the reputation that he did now at that time and addition to that he found out the cast list. They've regained there. Were genuine money sharing schemes. Like everything that everybody conspiracy theory over. This season was true of that season to a significant degree and he still lost her and then this season many of the jurors in the postseason have talked about one of the reasons why they respected coded games so much more than even nicole's game was that none of them had a connection to him. In the preseason danny in fact was one of the people saying that in particular that she had no idea who he was prior to entering the house but in the game he won her over over the people she knew journal nicole in real life and everybody felt that way. Everybody said in the jury. Yeah i didn't know him coming in. But he won me over. And i trusted him and i wanted to work with him. Whereas nicole did have a couple of relationships and those relationships were stolen by cody. Who they didn't know so. If the jury is saying that i again i have no reason to not believe them and i really. Don't i really think that the relationship stuff has been significantly overblown especially in comparison to the level of gaming. That often happens in big brother in the past. That's what i wanted to say about the pre gaming stuff. I do think your first game vs second came stuff is very very valid. And it's one of the things that holding me back from saying you know when we talk about cody versus derek. Stuff like that. that's going to be. That's going to be something that. I'm very interested in talking about season versus second season. Because i do not think that cody is attend in his first season. I do think he isn't. Sra season right. So that's where. I think it's also weighing more for me the first season i think that when i'm looking at people's games i'm looking like well. How did they. I do when they were just dropped in a house like versus now that they either have you know. I don't know like had more conversations with other people are watching other people win or whatever it may be and had the experience themselves of being in the house in knowing what it's like. I think that for me. I wait more heavily. Their first season their second season. I think that it's great. When you improve. I mean to be honest. I i absolutely would not give have given a cody and nine. In this first season. I think there were many flaws in his game. And i think that he really followed derek. The time i think there was a lot of times cody was like well. I'm gonna confront them. Mom and pop off do xyz. Derek always hold him back in. Derek always would talk like basically give cody their strategy. If derek and pulled coating under his wing i do not think cody would have gotten to the end. And that's for sure. I think derek if there could pick anyone else. I think that person would have gone to the end. So i do think that like i do think his first season is also weighing on me in terms of not wanting to give them attendance. Oh yeah. I think it's not and i don't want people to sit there thinking that oh melissa thinks pre game that's why she's rating and load. That's not the case. I just said i have to take into consideration that he has outside relationships. But i don't think that that alone is making decision for me. There are so many other factors. Yeah again. I think that's very fair. I personally would give him the nine in season sixteen and especially when gave him nine and sixteen. I'm definitely going to give him a ten and twenty two. And i think the fact that we're comparing to people like audrey. Well dang gay sign is telling in of itself right. And i would even say no. No i like dan a lot if i took dan right now. And cody right now. And i stopped them in big with a twenty three. I don't know. I might put my money on cody to be honest because dan still has a bigger targets back. He's less of winning himself. Out of trouble. You know what i mean. Like the fact that it's even a question to me is is part of what's playing rush right. So that's fine. Yeah exactly i can. I send some really quickly just the the fact that we enzo eights is what is what makes me want to give cody the ten. Because i'm like he's not just one point better than enzo. Enzo is good. But cody's amazing. Cody owned everything. This season and combined with how good he was on his original season and again like i remember. I remember going back to the original reset week on big brother sixteen. He was up to be evicted like he was on the block with only five people left in the game and presence that people loved in the house and they were not going to get rid of their. They were going to get rid of victoria. Like he's he's got something socially people just love this kid and then he comes on this season and runs roughshod over them like. I can't not even the ten. But i totally respect your nameless. Only totally cool. yeah again. This is more of like a surrogate argument for the arguments rather than trying to convince melissa out of a nine perfectly valid and what the audience gave cody there. It is from the audience but that is going to be a ten overall. Our cody audience gave him nine correct. Okay cool right right and of course that means the last person on the legacy watch is now. Is she in the top tier issue in the pantheon. She is in the top tier top. The top rights is that is so beyond wrong. It should be in case there. In the pantheon cheese gene nell. She is big brother her. Dan doctor will rachel. You know even just like i just feel like there are so many people that you think of when you think of big brother and janelle is like i mean. She's been on so many seasons she's canal. This is insane to me. Most like this is a. They saw the finale. They saw the results and this was like the runoff election. And people fans didn't come out they. This really was such finishes. Basically where she started here is actually just a little bit lower than where she started in the preseason just about a point down from where she was when she started and she started here at the very top of the top tier over the course of the season she moved up. She moved up well into the pantheon halfway through the pantheon and then fell back down. It's like a curve. sure christina will have charged about it and the only explanation. I have received from people who are telling me. This is why i've changed my mind on. I can't say this is the official explanation. But it's the only one i've seen from people who've told me this is why they say that they have kind of soured on her social media presence because she is a little over the top negative especially about nicole and some of the other players that she played with and it's just not their thing which is a little weird to me because journalists by mitch's but you know for that. I don't know why you don't like this. But you know to respect biking. Answer that i can answer that. The reason why people like by bitches because she did it to them. She did it to their face. They were being mean to her and she did it to their face in the house. It didn't play well on instagram. When she's coming for nicole while nicole stuck in the house can't respond and she kept going after her. Not a good luck. I feel like for me. The reason that doesn't impact me is because i don't really pay attention new drama and social media with players. Yeah it's like it's like that doesn't affect me. Just because i don't look at it so that's why it is also a little bit like a pantheon. Why would why would a god dane dirty themselves on earth despite immortal. You know what i mean. Yeah like if she was in the pantheon she would be doing her own stuff in the pantheon and she'll be above all right. I think that's kind of thing. Love show i mean. Yeah i do think that i do think that it would be better for her legacy and i feel like it helps case or at least or at least from what i've seen. It doesn't seem like cases involving himself in any kind of is just do like nice with everybody. Maybe maybe i missed something. I don't know but it just like. I feel like that's the way to to kind of handle it and they feel like you know people in chat no. I put her in the pantheon. Like i'm not i'm not. I'm not telling you guys the reasons why i would not put her in the pantheon. We're trying to explain to you. Why other people may not have liked her and might have held her feet to the fire a little bit negatively in the legacy watch because they didn't like her social media presence after she was out of the house for a few weeks out a little touch bidder like by bitches was fun but bitterness is not yeah i i do wonder if with time in the social media presence. She's not talking about nicole a couple years unless she is in which case but assuming she's not i wonder if this comes back up or if it's if the initial boost was sort of mirage in the first place but but that's where she's going to stand in the legacy let's talk about her rating as a player. Now i know because brent had her in the best never win list. And i did not that. Brent is probably higher under now than i am so brent. How do you feel you know i. I'm actually pretty high at her. I i here's the compared okay not high overall but high in terms of the scores that we could possibly give her. You know because. I haven't understanding where i think is probably are okay so The thing about you. Now i feel like is that she had a couple of people who just they for. Some reason wanted her out big time. This season the season. Do you think so like like. I don't feel like it. Was that way necessarily on seven. No seventy they wanted. Seventy made deals preseason to get her out. I felt like they were better. I mean they the came to respect her because of her. Compositions i think six was the one that she had the least amount of people wanting to get her out and even they didn't like you're so right. Yeah i don't know like. I feel like everybody on the season like genie except for frigging nicole in danny like coney didn't want to get rid of janea at at at the beginning y- but that's that's the thing for me is that i do think that most people on the season gave her a fair shake like most people wanted to try to work with her And then one by one kind of closed off And i do think that she got a bad shake. I do think that there were a couple of people in there. That were not nearly as open to working with her. As as a neutral person would have been. And and i think in particular connection to danny and trusting danny too much a huge detriment to her game but. I don't think she did herself any favors either. Socially and that's kind of been the story of her career as a big brother player season six season seven and fourteen and the season all have examples of a failure to really build connect. You know I'm gonna give her five. I feel like i'm going to give her five. I feel like she. I feel like she has it within her. She's gone to the end of the game twice before and like i don't even count fourteen right so like i'm looking at this season like if if if the dna nicole didn't have such a hard on to get rid of her. Like i feel like she does. Okay i feel she makes it here. People enjoy janey. So i'm gonna get refined go. I've now i feel like. I tricked you because i gave her a six. Oh okay i feel better. I feel better okay. And here's here's why. I do think that the six is largely coming from her first performances in particular the compability in season seven She was again socially not the best season seven but she was like ian only even more so like just completely unavailable to be evicted at all in season seven. There's one or two weeks that it was possible to get rid of her because she won so often you do have to consider the fact that there was dr wealth throwing every competition bogey. Sometimes they're in competitions to her people who wanted her to win because they were using her as a sort of shield and weapon and season six. She was not like a super comp east. She of like lasted the longest because she seemed the least threatening and then in season fourteen. She went out pretty early. Season twenty two. She's not really winning any competitions. So it's there's not a lot but there is something there when she's when she gets on a roll and she did come close twice and that is not something that can be ignored. I think that she has a a will to play a will to like firemen. There that were really does matter and winning those competitions and if she gets to the end she has a great chance of winning because she's always got that story and and she is good at the competition. I mean she's still holds. Many records for the competition wins that she has even though she's not really been able to replicate that success. Lately i would not rate journal present day journal a six. I would give present day now. Probably a five at best considering the history the overall position as a player. It's a six for me. Oddsson's hard i. I don't know. I feel like i'm between five. Can you tell me. Audience the audience in the preseason eve janelle eights wow in the postseason. They gave journal hard to find. Annals name a six just dramatic. Yeah i feel like. I was going to rape her lower. But i think what you're saying rings true and i think it rang true for all of my other ratings in ranking people like lower essentially mainly thinking about big brother. Fourteen when i was thinking about janelle and so i didn't really think about big brother. Six and big brother seven. And i think those are huge for her so i do think that and i think even this season i think if she didn't have that target on her back then. I think that she could have gone really. I think she's very smart and think she has good reads. Everything i just feel like. She's got the target are back in. If she can't back it up with complex than she's kind of screwed. I'm gonna i'm gonna give her a five because i also have to think about the fact that like i i do god. That's hard i just i i. It's so hard the three rs show. Sorry i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry algebra. Five verse six. But you know i just feel like if you put her in random seasons i feel like she's always she's gonna stand out she's always going to possibly have to fight for her life no matter what is the background exactly and so. I think that it's a situation where it's like either win or lose. I think that's the struggle for her as if she can't win out which she can't win out so i yeah i gotta i gotta give her a five all right so there it is average scores. Here cody attend end zone. Eight nicole friends will seven christmas a five memphis seven tyler. In eight five. David a to heaven a four von of aurina five five cases were four journal. A six anthony of four and kisha five and then here in the legacy watch we have in the top tier journal. Cody qaysar in tyler. In that order then new upper tier. Ian nicole frenzel. Enzo devan in the middle tier memphis danny and kisha than in the low tier bailey. Kevin christmas nicole anthony and then in the bottom tier all by himself. He's so there it is. That's all of that stuff out of the way. Let's quickly run through some of these other questions for you guys. How did we rate the season as a whole. I'm going to say i've been doing great. I think so far. I don't think the audience is hated me. Because i've been pretty in line with them so here now they can hate me. I for me. The seasons nate seasons. Is it. okay so let's question is. Is it an average season of big brother. No i felt like it was below average. We got below average luck. Got we got down. Who average drama. So it usually get one. Yeah h yeah. So i i would give it a three. I can't even give it a five. I i like it. Had some interesting gameplay like basically the question is is three or four. I give it a three. I give it a four. Because it's stuck the landing right. The audience gave it a four point two. I would say an average big brother season for me is probably seven or eight. Most of them great. I love you brother matter what it is so when you say is above or below average. I'm like well. Is it an seven or eight. So i had anyone tell me what i'm allowed to do with my own personal ratings. The audience gave it a four point two. They gave the episodes of four point one in the fields of three point or now a little bit of perspective here. If i move to a bigger canada's seven guess what The overall season rating was for big little candidates. Seven be pretty low. I'd say like a three point. Five six point to a row really really really big with a twenty one. Five point five five ending your business said than having a good ending ending of the season. I think really matters with these end of the season polls. That's what's the most right because if you ask halfway through people are probably going to be like. Oh yeah alright. Then i said the jury make the right call. This is the probably the most lopsided question ever asks one yes one point. Eight percent said no. It's a yes for me. I said where do you rank the season as a whole. What are you rank. The season fifty percent say bottom tier thirty five percent say middle tier ten percents at worst season ever. And if you if you had the optional question the exact position what is the exact position in the season rankings. The the mode here. The most popular answer was i think this is the sixteen out of twenty one. The average was actually about fourteen. So not the worst. That was the discussion we had earlier asked. What's the best duo in big brother history. Just because that was the topic of conversation forty five percents. They'll say chill town. I don't know if they heard about boogie. Apparently not all of the renegades only seven percent. they're gonna get it. Was dan come on. Like the renegades was dan. That's the thing. I asked the audience. How do you feel about doing all stars again. We've done all stars now. Should we ever do it again. Out of how do you feel. Do you love it. Do you hate it kinda fifty nine out of one hundred score leaning toward like it. I guess it depends isn't all winter season or something like that or is it people like i don't want because like you know here's the thing the thing about bringing people back it's like it's always the question about like are they going to be able to rectify their mistakes of they're going to be able to right. Past wrongs spoiler alert. No they're not you know they want to stay mistakes and stakes. He's made play the same game. That's what they're gonna do cody. Credit released like modifying his game a little bit. As how do you feel about the safety suite. Twisted actually at the same score of nine out of one hundred like maybe maybe it was alright twist i twist. I did not hate in fact that it was actually kind of good. I'd be okay. yeah. I agree you're like here's the thing about safety suite. I don't think they're gonna bring it back but if they bring back some version of this basically where you get an extra chance to earn safety like i feel like that gives people who are fun tv who might be ostracized early a chance to reach out and grab safety. A lot of people forget the beginning big brother nineteen. Josh grabbed that golden apple and would have been addicted. I and like how different that season would have been without josh. They're like i mean you know i. I like putting out little things like that. He doesn't like each ause power. They can still do what they want to nominate people and get rid of people but just give a little extra chances for safety early on. I'm okay with that. You know when. I was prepping for this podcast. I went back to our big brother. Twenty one or twenty. Wrap up podcast. Because like i said the ratings weren't renown and i needed to listen to us. Speak to hear the ratings and it was three and a half hour. Podcast and i was like what's going to happen. Oh was when you started saying. We're doing the. I didn't realize we're going to be a rating. Serve buddy because usually. I do my rains ahead. It's honestly didn't i sort of forgot that we do this. I really did about like nine. Forty when you said when you start asking for ratings and then i realized the only guy. We're doing sixteen people. I'm like oh. My god like i thought this is going to be like a little hour hour and a half check in and we're going to be here for three hours like its roundtable. Every first round table in every last round table are always the longest then. Then get like last week's or whatever where it's like with three people were like okay then still here. Listening to is are the people. I want this to be five hours. Oh i'm telling. Yeah i remember when i was. I say this. When i listened to other podcasts like listening to know it all arm listening to other things when listening to the bnb. Like i love it when they're longer because then i have more content like i can always stop and come back to it. You know what i mean. So i if it's only like an hour and fifteen minutes and you get to the end and you listen to it on time and a half speed or something and you're done in forty minutes you're like yeah all right. How do you feel that the big weather basement powers twists. What that even sign. Whatever surer forty yeah. That was terrible. Terrible danny was going to diary room and bitched about how terrible her power was. She was right. I guess. I thought it was fine because they didn't really do anything. Yes yeah whatever. The bbc david's you'd be neighbor adding prizes to competitions. I liked the adding prizes to competitions part b. So superfluous yeah. I think that they should have done more with it. I mean like people tempted prizes. Give them prizes. Don't just do this one thing. That could have fun with that. And it was held in like we talked about that at the time he should have been taunting them with triple fiction. How do you feel about the triple of fiction. It got forty three out of one hundred. Which i also think is high considering. It was better than it could have been because they could have done it. Big brother candidate away. But it wasn't good for the game and i don't think they should keep it. I'd much prefer to double evictions. The then you get two nights of fun so myers lawgivers that. I can't believe they didn't do. I asked how do you feel. How did you feel about the competitions overall. Not the outcomes of the competitions but actual cause last season we saw a lot of dissatisfaction with the prevalence of physical better. Yeah it got about one. Hundred people are just like yeah. You're fine which i think is an improvement from last season. Which was like that. They sucked so all right. Those are the questions on the survey. There's one more thing we have to update you on. Though from the stock watch and that is the final leaderboard watch. Who did it here on long amongst the three of us but who. I definitely didn't win. Because i didn't change my stock which i should have all right. Well here's the leaderboard scar gates the winner new badges for that. We've got here. So what this is. The the badge itself the outline. That's that's gonna be consistent for all seasons and then inside of it. There's going to be a little little icon representative. That is a soccer ball with stars over. Yeah scar gate. First place with a new shiny badge live in second place. Live a more on my twitch channel. Then i believe this person said their name. The letters m. o. H t t are not my mother whose mother the whole time a third place then tusch and d. back in the top five and then jack sin sin sin tone wendy and cat in the top ten. Those are the scroll down. I can't see the you go and graduations. Those top three guys were in the top three for a long. Yeah and that was. That was watching. Big brother twenty. Two stargate live mother like marching to the end of this man. I was in third place like four weeks ago. Now i fell down to sixty i sixty. I fear all my badges though. Just tooth for dana watermelon for for jackson and a mask. Big brother candidate mask. So i was top five percent. I miss top one percent by like four or five places now more than that six year places. Yeah very close close you do get badges for the top percentage is they just. Don't show up on the leaderboard they show up on your profile down here. Top five percent twenty two. So that's how it works. Thank you to louis for all of the help with the badge is that's awesome. Some fun stuff there brent. Your final placement here was three thousand seventy seven percent. I went with enzo. I did i. I try to manifest that one. Yeah melissa lands in two thousand three hundred twenty fifth top fifty percent. I forgot to do anything the passing three times. I forgot to sell or do anything. So yeah i kind of lost it on that one but melissa melissa gentlemen. That's me debbie's still weren't below you all right okay. I'm good then. I'm good as long as melissa. Melissa's denny's is blow me. And as long as i take credit for melissa by then we are all good there it is. I thank you all of the players. The stock watch this season. It was a lot of fun to have you. There were over seven thousand players. I believe or close to a users. One point participated in the stock. Watch so congratulations to everyone who didn't succeed There were a lot of. There's a lot of competition And we had good times good times melissa with your enzo score when taryn fell out seven when you guys. How did i happened like there. There are some there are some stuff on some shocks. There are some surprises in cleveland. Fun keep all right well. That's that four. The stock watch again. Thank you to everyone who helped with the stock watch timothy. Jeff thank you. thank you both. Think louis for the badges alexandra who runs this wonderful chart and helps with the ratings on the site and of course christina who does a lot of data crunching with all the numbers the raw data and she turns it into something cool. They are so great so hello and help make the stop. Watch what it is so thank you again for for all of the participation and the fun we all had the journey more than the journey before destination guys. And that's what we got. That's where we got. We are looking forward now to an off season where one of us here is going to be playing or has played. We'll be playing when you watch a game of sequester alive game of sequester brent was gone for one of these round tables and the reason he was gone is because he spent some something like ten days or less days playing a live game of sequester. The production value is good. Be able to follow it. Promise check it out. I will be covering it with some guests. We watch rent fail miserably trying to play social strategy game. It's very say watch it. I can't wait also remember. Karen did the interviews. Like you'll want to tune in the cast is dropping tomorrow by the way. So that was that's been announced on the sequester count. I'm not going to have to keep it a secret anymore. The the people that i've been playing with or that. I played the game with so that's going to be revealed tomorrow at eleven eleven in the morning eastern time on the sequester access account and you guys can tune in to find out everybody who's on the season including the person that i mentioned who is more notable than me. I i mostly you know if you've if you've been spoiled it all do not guess but if you have no clue i would like to your guesses as to who you think this person is. I have no idea you have no idea. I know tara knows the person like yeah. Well you'll find out tomorrow so check that out. Stay tuned for that coverage. It should be a lot of at the very least to watch. Brenton run around us trying to do this. Yes and that's what i really wanna see. And then there have been some rumors going out there that we may get some form of celebrity. Now again these rumors. I don't think there's anything like your remotely credible about. I haven't seen any credible cya person now. But i'm hopeful we'll get it makes sense in those make sense. It seems like it's an easy thing to do. It's one of the few productions that they can actually do during this time and they just that it actually worked with this season that big brother. So i don't see why they wouldn't. Here's the thing about rumors though in my experience when it comes to big brother especially you hear rumor and it makes sense. It's not true. what are they doing. That's the real one. I believe that. So don't be too hopeful but it does kind of make sense this circle. I'm sure we'll come back at some point. That should be fun and then big brother. Canada nine should be coming back into play in the winter ish area winter to spring and that should be very fun. The cox now in executive producer of the show very excited and and as we mentioned before there was news of a new direction. That cbs is heading with all of their reality shows which which includes as sort of passing mandate which should dramatically change the casting makeup of what we see in in these past and very excited very sort of interested to see where this goes in the kind of impact that it has. We'll probably get a taste of it. I in big brother candidate because they are also doing this As part of their own initiative so any. What are your thoughts on. What do you think what do you think we get from this from the initiative to cast more black dress and people of color. So i was. I wanna look at really quickly Did the i wanted to see the press release. Because i thought like what it said was their goal is fifty percents and that's a lot different than a guiding principle is a lot less interesting than a rigid rule and i would prefer for rigid rules. I think i think that's also. What like orissa. She also says the goal is at least right. At least she said. At least. Whereas i feel like i felt like it came for orissa's added. I felt like it was like. That's the minimum. Yeah whereas i feel like cbs. It was like we're gonna try to make look at least they're saying something does okay. No but i mean. I am excited to see that little. Change the seasons moving forward and i'm very. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the new casting and maybe this'll choose the style of costing like i we don't know So you know. And i'm excited to see how it goes by the way kevin in his instagram. You answered a lot of questions. And he talks about the fact. That you know casey and josh for bounce from the cast you know a couple of days beforehand and they brought in memphis and and kisha. They were the two alternates. Like how do you realize how different diseases without memphis and kishan memphis memphis was the one who created the committee for god's sake like he was responsible for that now maybe they get together otherwise would probably not the same exact people and also if casing josh for their that increased to more people of color. That's one more person from the lgbt community. They're like a always bug me. There's always like one gay guy. At least they would've had one other person from the community. So i would have loved to have seen what that season was. I think we got a little unlucky. That they you know. We're bounced from the cast for reasons. We don't know what they were but they were not there and then otherwise other people took their place and that really impacted the season. But gosh i would love to see a season with actually seven people of color rather than just five and two people from the community. Like how i mean you know it would have been it would have been. It would have been a different different game. So mike looms article here about. The announcement says the network announced today. It's new targets for its unscripted programming. No matter what the show each cast will contain at least fifty percent contestants who were black indigenous and people of color. The announcement comes after blocks. So it doesn't matter what the show each cast will contain at least fifty percent good which is their target. We're we're going to make this announcement and forty percents. I agree i see. I feel like they're announced. Yeah well you know. It's a target who i feel like this is. It's it's definitely a step forward and i think it's good for everybody involved so i'm glad to hear they're doing this all rights well very very excited here To move forward and talk about more big brother in the future. I'm optimistic future of the show And hopefully you guys have enjoyed content. Here we there was a bit of a drought there for a couple of weeks. We actually we were potentially going to last week. But there's some something's happening in the world. Something i remember. We tuesday and i'm like okay. Sounds cool. wait a minute monday. I was like. I don't think that's a good idea sunday. Yeah i texted karen like the election. I said i know melissa's gonna watch the election coverage ninety two. Like i want to watch done this while the election. My god literally had on literally. Dan night and i was staying up till two. Am every night just like watching. I was so tired tonight. I was so tired every day. I'm still very tired. I don't feel like i'm not fully over it like we're making up for now because we've got a four hour broadcast here tomorrow. The nicole podcast will drop and man. We are aiming for friday. I plan to talk to cody about his big brother. Twenty two game so you can look forward to that as well And then we'll see where we go from there in terms of interviews but that is what we have for you in big brother twenty two all stars to thank you so much for joining us all season long. I hope you enjoyed this podcast. I hope you enjoyed coverage even if you enjoy the season and looking forward to many more any final thoughts here melissa no. I'm just glad that we were able to kind of put a nice little bow on this season and i had a great time podcasting with you guys and i really do hope. We're back for big brother celebrity. So you know. I'm just looking forward to the coverage coming up. Hopefully melissa like there's going to be coverage of sequester too. I really hope you stop by at least once. Yeah you know. I wanted to talk about your game. Chance to be like senior by embarrassing. He should have done this many different things. Yes exactly Like i'm really excited to excited about that. Also like a tariff. I don't know when you're gonna release the interviews between me and you and the other contestants obviously but i'm looking forward to those 'cause like again like sitting down and like tearing was there and like meet the caring getting the interview me it was like it took me like taryn show days. It was like it was. It was a lot of fun. So that's gonna be envy. Relief was actually quick story. Here the interviews ran late like it started very late for me. I got a text from audrey. like sorry. it's running late. brent keeps turning five minute interview until like a half hour thank god. of course. he's like wait. This isn't a podcast. Normally we talk three hours right All right well looking forward to that. Thank you guys once again for for hanging out with us all summer to fall long this this year. I hope i hope the show and give you something to do and look forward to in this in these quarantined times. You can find me on twitter. If you want to post links to the interviews that'll be doing in all that you can also find me on twitch tv slash karen armstrong. We've been playing some among us on the weekends which is a social strategy game of its own where you secretly murder people and then try to figure out who's murdering and i'll also be doing some streams over the course of the offseason just hanging out playing some games probably talking sequester whatever else all sorts of stuff there on twitch you can find me there And follow button. You can also find melissa on twitter at its melissa Three three as anything else. Most now let's it about it. I'm on its most stab on all social media and brent's you can find at one lucky guy on twitter and you can also find him western in three weeks i it was he online from the patron group. She's like i tweeted like hey i'm gonna be on sequester and she's like it's going to be the best fifteen minutes of our lives. Yeah yes you can find me all right. Thanks is once more. We'll see next time.

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BB22 | Week 8 Triple Eviction Exit Interviews | Oct 2, 2020

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BB22 | Week 8 Triple Eviction Exit Interviews | Oct 2, 2020

"This edition of the Big Brother Twenty two exit interview podcast with the three people who left during the triple addiction is sponsored by better help online counseling now, I'm talking to you big brother fans. If you think that you may be depressed or feeling anxious stressed or overwhelmed, the big brother season can take a toll on all of us. Better. Help offers licensed professional counselors who are trained to listen and to help talk with your counselor in a private online environment your own convenience from wherever you're comfortable better help counselors have expertise in a broad range of areas such as anxiety, grief and depression. All things that are uh, very much a part of life in two, thousand and twenty. Trauma loss anger, self esteem and more better help can give you access to help. 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Get started today at better help dot com slash rha P that's better. Help DOT COM slash rha. talked to a therapist online and get help. Hey everybody. What's going on rob here with our exit interview ripple of fiction addition, we're going to hear the answers to the questions that I sent in to the three players who went out. We were able to ask them for questions a piece in these exit interviews they are not live the people that we're hearing from cannot hear me but. Just for fun, let's pretend that they can, and that's the way that we will conduct these exit interviews and we'll get to Kevin David and Danny in just a moment of course a, we had a lot lot of fun recapping the triple eviction from Thursday night we got into everything that happened. If you missed our recap coverage of over six thousand people joined this live after the triple a fiction to check out our coverage that's up on Robin's website I come and on our youtube channel, of course, a live feed updates coming up all weekend long tunnel. Have a Saturday night round table, and then we'll be back on Monday night this week to recap the next episode of Big Brother as we shift to the day Wednesday Thursday schedule here over these next couple of weeks. But first, let's go ahead and hear from the person who left the House I last night, and that was none other than Kevin Campbell. He was my winner pick for the season may have put the jinx on him. He really never had a shot, but let's hear from Kevin Campbell and go ahead and patching his answers to our questions. Hey Kevin. Sorry to see out of the house at this point in the game would love to hear from you. You talked a lot this week about some threats about potentially not voting for players if they are in the final two, how serious are you about? Some of the threats you made to the house gets about your jury vote. Now that you are in the jury, I was Super Super Super Series of these threats because A. I feel like I've never really been in the jury house of kind of accuse us right now I've. Shown separate now during member I have. A. Lot of a power and a lot of responsibility and one of the things that I want to really do is use this as one of the few opportunities which I actually have power. I could not win at nothing this season I did one on competition but. You know like. I feel like a jury vote is an instance of using power at for me. I can't fragging in the House that if I power I would do the very opposite of what everybody was doing in the House and for me right now. I WANNA. Not spoke with whatever majority is occurring. So if I feel like I don't WanNa reveal who I could ultimately vote for but. I'm feeling some kind of way right now and I I don't think you could anybody could swayed night by decision right of this unique perspective you could try such as you want. Less already been trying like. Try. Because I have my own unique perspective on. All, I want to Okay Kevin I. Want to know in the beginning of the game how come all of the players who weren't part of the big alliance? Why couldn't you guys get on the same page in the beginning of the game? I cannot express my annoyance that the the people in house guests who are not a part of the main alliance. Also, annoyed that we all get together and form our own lights gets this literally allies. W Bush I think the reason why I've been thinking about this for weeks because like I I inside the house at why? Why my struggle bus they do it's like what is going on and I believe the why the very beginning we all did it trust each other? The people we all kind of new. Hey, look we're kind of all on the outs. But then at the same time that we weren't like, Hey, let's just have let's talk and. Have honest conversations speech other one too I don't think we all actually liked each other. You know you got to kind of actually have some level of respect towards each other to form alliance and I think the people who are not in the majority lines has dominated the dominating the game. He didn't really respect or like each other I was fine with it. But for some reason, I saw a lot of like. You know like people looking at me like and. So how does that make you feel when when you're in an alliance at their kind of just like? Not Looking at you as an asset and three There is not a lot of communication going on. Just, people were afraid to share their actual thoughts because. I think there is hope for people to actually get into the major alliance. If that makes sense like people were like well, maybe I have a cat set like becoming a member of the bigger light so I, don't really want to Show too much information or say too much or anything that will kind of a compromise situation. So there is this gangling carriage that prevented people from kind of bonding together that ultimately led to this the people who are GONNA main, alliance not, audience together. And I just I think there's a lot of other factors too. But those are the three that I can think of right. All right. Kevin. Could you tell us a what are the biggest differences between this House that you just played in and the Big Brother Eleven House Oh? My God. I think that. There is several differences between deep. all-star House and it rather that a house. One. The all-star cal is actually a lot more sick ing Saris her but the seasons are sickening. Saying everything was not cuter to the cops were like extremely elevated Kudos the cops team but I mean I was just completely gag every time comp I was like on my daughter he's serious So that was better this season The. What was worth for me was the five and energy in the house like it was the most Awkward House effort. I'm an awkward person and I was like this awkward like everybody was. Staring, at each other like. what do I say that? No one was having a on it. Feels just makes I wasn't in the alliance by it would like wait Kevin's coming. Don't say anything I don't know what it is like every time I entered the room it was like. Extremely painful by no-one he genuine everyone was hake like there is never a moment assists sorority on there is never moment of fight. Let me just like myself everybody was like performing. Everybody was like aware of the cameras everyone was like Just extremely in authentic. Of Season Eleven people just like this is William Take it or leave it on a say what I needed to say at ticker debuted. Everybody here on this season was trying to be chewing nice light at not straightforward at. offered. You want you. You want in your everyday life to have genuine conversations connections, and for me, it was very few and far between I only had that really David Dave Off Bailey. All Right Kevin thank you so much can't wait to see you on the other side. Your had sent in the fourth question also for Kevin about who is playing the best game. In the House not sure if that Kevin had long answers and we ran out of time to get that fourth question or if five whatever it was I ended up being just a lost in the shuffle but a very lengthy answers from Kevin. The longest we've got from any of these exit interviews we appreciate that. All right. So now let's hear from David. Alexander I. Really I was on the David train thought that he was going to be able to pull this miracle out and maybe make a run ultimately he ends up getting clipped in this triple fiction from the other night and let's go ahead and hear from Mr David Alexsandr in our latest exit interview Hey David Good morning just want to say great job. Here, in this season, I'd love to know from you how much of a disadvantage was it for you to come into this season with a much smaller amount of playing time as opposed to some of the other players that are coming in in their second and third time back in the Big Brother House when it came down to competing working in calms. Social game in trying sue build online services early on it was a big disadvantage plus other players knowing of my inexperience than have value that coming into the house something like Oh he's good accomplish or he's good at social or something sue I guess help Identify about you in an alliance. So I came in hoping that I, can win the COPS offset that situation and I wanted to combat I needed so. Maybe. David we saw you go through a lot of ups and downs over the course of the season with tyler what's been the evolution of your relationship with Tyler in this game Tyler. Is Difficult I. Understand. Is. Game play at least because I've watched his season admired it at the same time trying to align with him. I was difficult because I think you came down Su Me Winning ultimately to build on that relationship and Once, I was able to win once I saw him kind of manipulate and or Play the game may wade he did got Baylee. In Danny and maybe people make moves out just got really frustrated so as to stop trusting him. I mean. Once vote out opportunity to get him out of the game. was. At the time could really help me especially could became back in. Late with me a bill something David if you could have gotten through this triple of addiction last night, what was the plan moving forward for you for the home stretch of the game if I was survived addiction, I would come back in the house and. Senate compliment difficult. I would've really tried to live manipulate. I would've really tried to get people to start talking to each other bring up conversations topics anything from the beginning of the game leading up to the final six to. Get some kind of fractured fractures ation between a the alliance. Or just trying to Enzo I don't know. Tough David finally would you come back to the Big Brother House now that you are a seasoned experienced pro, I don't know. Because I'm going to cause, I, have experience of fifty something days in the house doing different competitions understanding. Value of getting in different alliances versus kind of winning. People to get them out. I think I would do it again if the stars aligned, there's another crisis and I'm sitting at home in an apartment or Something like that well I hope that there's not going to be another crisis but I do appreciate the answer David. All. Right. Thank you so much and hope to talk to you again sometime down the road. All right. So we've got one other big brother all stars to hear from, and it's the third person to go out from this triple eviction from Thursday night, and that would be Danny Brioni can't wait to hear what she has to say, and so let's bring in Danny Hey Danny Good Morning I gotta ask you about the vote last night with four votes potentially were you expecting that cody and Enzo and Memphis would to save you when you're up against Nicole last night. I was completely shocked when I got a BIC. Did I thought Memphis and though and cody were all living to keep me Julia said by vote afforded zero. It was complete blindside I did not see it coming I. Thought One hundred percent I was staying i. Pulled, Nicole into a separate room right before and gave her like a pep talk and cried with her about leaving and everything else There was no doubt in my mind that I was saying. So it was a complete blindside Danny looking back to your H. Week. Do you wish you would have gotten Nicole to be that fourth votes? So you could have a victim tyler when you were the H. O. H. it's so hard like I feel like in this game, you always look back and say Coulda Shoulda WOULDA do. I regret not keeping. In kind of I was closer to the end I wanted tyler I really wanted tyler out but would have put me in about spot you have to remember Dave on David and Heaven didn't trust me maybe a little bit not fully. So would I be tossing myself out there and going against the committee in pushing something to go with people who didn't even fully trust me it would have probably put me in a really bad swanton a game and I don't know I don't know if it would have helped me or hurt me I wanted tyler out but I don't know if it would have been the best for my game going back to the beginning of the season a why didn't you get something going with some of the old school players at the start of Big Brother twenty two okay I will say. There was never a time ever than I thought I would not be working with Geno genuine case, her both of them I wanted to work with. Like I loved you know I was shocked Janelle started saying my name to people throwing my name out there and the second. My rule was the second I heard my name come out of somebody's mouth. You're all you got to go because I can't have the going around the house I was shocked. She was talking about me I wanted to work with her I was really disappointed to be honest really disappointed because I was never at that time I mean obviously the online I don't know but I was not going to go against her Nicole. Wanted to go against in the beginning. I literally tops her out of it. I said like you cannot go. Against her she's not gonNA come after us. We need to keep her in the game I don't want to go against. I really didn't but the second she said my name and was throwing my name around the house she had to go and then last question for you Danny what was it like to spend your summer in the Big Brother? House with Christmas Abbott. Summer with Christmas How do I even answer this? There were times. It was. So it was a roller-coaster like in the beginning I did not like Christmas and then there were times where I did like Christmas and then I didn't like Christmas again she is a lot should use a lot. I don't even know how to answer this. I'm looking forward to the real Christmas. The holiday seasons are coming by I prefer the wheel Christmas. Danny. Thank you so much. Looking forward to hearing from you down the road. All right. Triple Action Three houseguests that we heard from and. Some interesting answers especially surprised about the Danny Janelle answer they'll have to. Consult with Taryn and see the. Han Solo Griego of WHO said whose name I because I understood it that I did not think that I. was talking about Dante, but I guess it could have been a little bit of telephone game as well. So I'm sure we will discuss more in the future I keep your eyes peeled for lifebeat updates coming to you everyday eleven am eastern Saturday night big brother roundtable and we will be back on son. Sorry Monday night excuse me to talk about the next episode of Big Brother and you fans of tough as nails look for some additional toughest nails coverage that we're going to. 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Lomachenko v Campbell Workout Special!

Ringside Toe2Toe Boxing Podcast

56:41 min | 1 year ago

Lomachenko v Campbell Workout Special!

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WBZ overweight seven and you're listening to to broadcast welcome to Rick Site Oh to a boxing a mildly sweltering cool Mercury's not risen too far just yet but that will change because they just let the public in and they are coming in in droves at the moments the ring just set up behind this and just before they get busy couple of all pundits McLean and Spencer Oliver WBZ through that curve ball undecided Campbell mandatory challenge that they would like him to face Vasily Machine Co champion with the people are talking about for a long time before it was even announced really it was a bit of a bombshell think is fair to say when is even though they're superstars within boxing circles they're not necessarily talk superstar that can just sell arena against any opponents of sometimes they've come in doc big the live audience shoes the atmosphere is electric Sky pay per view is done really well over the last few years and Lama Chen Koa news these so you WANNA set yourself against the very best to see you are you know it'd be nice to see when the world's first and then maybe trying to get some Jenker yes an interesting tim he's actually looking forward to challenge in the pound for pound King Cheer Right Matt there is two ways of looking at a always wants to festival a box the best guy on of course and facility was at Wembley four Joshua Cain in the UK mall cates it's appealing for them e seen it firsthand that he wants he wants to taste of you Lina I spoke to Kevin about this a few weeks ago actually about the situation and he actually he's actually pleased the situation was well it was he said he wanted I mean one will know of the potential problems boksic someone like Loma Chanko is that you will just get kind of over rotate exclusively by Sky Sports I'm only clone this week routes in about the open world counts full facility Lama Chen Kevin Campbell in the opponents backyards he's actually the opponent that's the draw value was the draw against similar here with Chengguan I think it's not as watching this case with with new camera is the draw but I think the fact that Lama Janko is probably the messy of boxing people people always want someone not as special for the I think he's a world-class in that he's capable of becoming a world champion Jerusalem Shourie manages that against someone especially Islamic as opposed to a mediocre champion and they were keen to come top rank. ESPN everybody behind the biggest clean musk's manager they were keen to come here experience with with inspired the mythology of it almost discount wizard from the Ukrainian assisted those fact that Campbell over the fact that he was outstanding Amazon helps but indepth as well as so special about this we've Luke Campbell he's he's he's careers run parallel to sure I think that's absolutely right the noise levels in the background just increasing because more and more people made year and fans alike just filing into your callers we speak Spencer you're looking at is it's gotTa roll the dice he's got to gamble bake and boy gambling big east gutter leave himself open to they wanna see the pound for pound king and the fans will be only side as well it was a H- won't be a hostile crowd and that normally when you get home advantage is crucial in the division which is lower tango Campbell's considered number two in the division and the votes he said he would do that against the pound for pound King folks him I think you've got to go in thinking I'm going to stop but you can't be Gung Ho in reckless these got to be aggressive I think he's got to be very very purposeful straightaway now you know washing the number Janko grow into a great champion and he said you know as it gets a lot from his of energy from that and he accepts challenge I think on the townside for Campbell because how might you Roy east crucial I think downside of Campbell here is a Luma Chink are actually humiliation might be too strong a word for it but I don't think that he can go into this fight thinking I can win on points because he could say that land you're saying you can outbox him and I don't think you zane possible because he's really up against it so you know to try and get Lama cheng-kuo out of his comfort zone come to the UK or at least you giving Luke every Jansher Khan uncovered an unnamed separating joins the other side of his thinking you know you know he gets the challenge you know the number one in the world and you know ultimately the fans in London and he also knows the you know the HOLCO boxing fans are coming to this event on Saturday night is people that not much income white never book zero game what he's doing all the head movement don't try to perfect you know driving back the chess move everything I I'm getting to the fight that way build the other company buildings it's not something you see a lot and it's a big challenge the Campbell's out to embrace and the first thing to say Luke flight does the fact that he's been around him onto toilets and put his shorts on one leg at a time like everybody else will that help things listen I smoke camel about the accepted Pfizer behavior I think it's the right place for it I think he'll do well on the pipe review and I it gives Luke Campbell a bit of you know you wanNA sack every Z. Those special people in any sport so I think you know it's a it's a card I it's a it's a top rank have ready David Montana's circling around bothering wanting to get on the way himself Michael buffering tunnel he's Charlie before you have to go and returned to other duties how'd you be silly Lama Chen Co you now if you cannot satisfactorily four minutes and that's a gold star for the review the I think he tries to stand back and fight with him and you know I think came out patchy while I agree with you I think but but realistically if you look Odi attributes of each Luma chain cau- comes out slightly better in every department of Boxing Q. Two foot walk I'll keep you any longer all or Robinson will be rugby-tackling me to the ground and let's face it nobody wants so we'll just take a little walk across the stage here because there's plenty of people in here Don everything in the gym I'm feeling right I'm confident emotionally physically mentally and spiritually so much stronger now and back to you of course on on Saturday nights defending your WBZ flyweight saw mandatory challenger is time in in Martinez about the fight another thing I was alone about a week before and all of a sudden he was in Mexico so he's a very talented fighters we know I don't know how ready he points out these books day before Matan Cohen and we'll series boxing so God's at least they've only because we got four minutes to decide to dissect woes Martinez beat him not serious scalp one hundred percent and that's what wake up enough so Martinez is a great great challenger I'm really fit in the champion coming into this I feel great after strong sparring unbelievable pushing featherweights back so the number one mandate tree he's got his way to to show I'm really excited about is five this is a this is my to shine my time to shine let's let's see if we can let's see if we could all step Charlie Edward say for the sky podcasts rousing Joel Nila not trim humble apologies flap Chali big he's an interesting one because the final eliminator against Andrew Selby was it was just a bizarre thing all round because I only found out he's really pleased as far as boxing boxing series hey he pokes it twice that London twenty three he said he's got a lot of good memories boxing in London so confident you were so convinced that it was your time and you were right and there's always something impressive about somebody making a prediction and then delivering on and you can see I'm and everything's smoothies so I'm just really looking forward to crossing over into my performance the twos like my home arena on everything worry about think in this instance is different you spent I think there's a lot of people coming to support Luke Campbell but there's also a lot of people coming to watch Allama Janko in the flesh cash call usually size and he's reach attributes early on and then he's eventually and he knows his himself he's a try and take Chen Qiao injured Lamartine is on Saturday night I'm GonNa put on another spectacular display and I'm gonNA have a punch perfect performance on super super focused and zoned in you are reveling in the role of champions some people feel the pressure and it kind of way on them lifting you up yeah one hundred percent yeah so it's really really exciting times for me I'm a big firm believer in my life purpose now attractive to me me up and I try my mind right Macos down all the time Dan down the firm into myself on a daily I'm awo champion no one's beat me and that goes Tosi that personally is being risk with you because when you on the title against as we saw during the course of the week and hang up it was the charlie was takes his off the ball in any way then he could have a problem because he can walk a bit Martinez look these quite tough and he will stay in there but thank both you one European give I won the Olympics in London two thousand twelve to give a nice to know each other and I think that gives Campbell confidence and even to deacons and no joke that tough they're gonNA come on rip that bell away from ABC's Well Cup final so I'm super zoned in Super Focus and I'm making a habit here unfortunately of interrupting in ports and members of the Mataram stuff when that deep in conversation with people already they're not Jamaica sorry pool and I'm in the right place at the right time and this is Myra and this is my time I'm really from fully night while the power of attraction it's something that thoughts is really it always doing the knowledge that he'll be off at some point he'll be coming at some point bring a little bit a little bit later on Belco Saturday bipedal turns out well thank you sure it will just have a good little scouts I feel like come up the demand side I and it's a widened doing again number one mandatory challenger and especially everyone knows he's I'm not sure how much not to sell the house but never mind that now that starts in the past it look strong it looks like he's not really going to be going anywhere anytime soon it looks like he could so Chris Smith trainer to Charlie Edwards and also adults in your son who's on the bill must be getting used to being big part of these big Nice Yeah Nice let's go time maybe the champions while I was writing the notes for for this fight just doing the kind of synopsis Soviet do for the for the sky team and right he's got out Muslim that's really always GonNa win and both go sit and heathen island Haiti's called a road at some point he's going to do that and that might leave him vulnerable might leave him to get to see him and the opponent we just had a quick chat with Charlie alternate without win oversold be circumstances around that fought we're a bit strange seventy eight times maybe in Tokyo before the end fully end of the year but this has been great it's been great time of introduction to Pro Boxing Forum yeah mushrooms been he's GonNa try it from the first bowel come on take hold of the fire and just try and control it big site tight the center of the ring for him by Lama Chen Co op even if you go to his chest about two blocks the guys is pushing power is stopped virtual everybody's took some good guys As well lot regard Lice lucky I celebrate so very big you were hit you hit by fifty six ton tramp when you are joking mediobanca thinking Sheffield all Jim actually uh of mentioned in a couple of times got the same tattoo never give up on life he had his when he was about the thing with with with your permission you had yours after this show tonight we've level is tough ask it is a tough asper we're all fascinated by the outcome and to see how might be able to get on thanks very much for your saw you too I self then all them years ago you should do a little steady room before I saw a train pulled up for Jim did my wrong obviously accidents happened so got to be aware of that as well olten another outsing him another picture suboxone in early stages you just want to get him out as many times as you can probably the different breed the soft not just keep coming all day long just keep walking you don Ulitsa everything you've got these keep walking down all you've got to do stay switched on was pulled me for determining and every day is a bonus and then we all today doing what we're doing what we love let's tremendous story it really is the variety of shots shots S- account flu Campbell for me he's GonNa roll the dice and he's GonNa join us size and strength advantages and when I say that Tattoo on when he's fighting it's it's always kind of it just it just brings up story back of course and it's something that the two of you serve you share yeah took him out there getting permission in the okay well great to see you and always good as you say two things up during fight week two fighters on the roundtable grant Smith in the corner that we could be wonder over and see if we can catch a quick word with him Charlie ebbets trainer is son Dalton is also is also on the bill the bonus I guess yeah big bonus in two thousand and six twenty third march my mom's birthday so I'll just go to the gym and I so I just read the secret actually a couple of weeks ago so I watch about I thought a better read is see what all the fuss is about Charlie Gracie Hughes always you'll go through your patience Japan not the greatest mover without buffet yeah very good fight off to what he's done to Selby's classified as as the South Americans we enjoy five we when he's like this lodger enjoying it gets Lonzo Yeah Knox the nerves often the ally and he's good for the public so when you look at the landscape around supermiddleweight around middleweight well what is your preferred white and what wait could and I think he did how maybe sneak off and get it so what I'm asking you and then I think admiral designed for me to all tastes than tell me pro career has been pretty eventful so far because remember seeing you on the undercard of mayweather against McGregor I don't think it's fair to say what you signed with Floyd Mayweather Kim and just keep ticking all right porn ines right side so when time comes when he's ready for these ten twelve tile five she's ready free he's got every sending buying ready fees professional nobody really soul that coming so this has been quite a lot this happened already but now you'll you could settle with fury already got the skills as everybody knows it's just a case of building those rams up in the German gaining ten and twelve round fired I won't thing that some people might not know nothing's really changed that but like I said I've I was with mayweather then Hennessy for awhile and now I'm Sky Metro do you know why I'm asking you where we'll get to in a second but what is your preferred white but how low could you go may and I'd like to think because on social media every now and again weeks ago you I don't know how it all started but you you mentioned it and she fought back now today you pronounce matter I've been a vegetable safe I did Survi- book give me so one o'clock in the morning to survive ball of got my kids I hope it goes well for both of them right thank you very much so I just bumped into Savannah Marshall News arrived fully hyphen workout show. We're getting there I'd like to win well tightly to middle hopefully unify than trump down because the fight that everybody's always going to be talking about is is a rematch didn't we get this awesome went they'll say join Abi Aad own yeah get me out as much as you count learning fights building say only twenty two so he's got plenty of time aged she's not she's not old how difficult to get to to get to buy to be honest is something you see happening on the line so he yourself and shields because you're the only person ever to abates an amateur or professional and it's something obviously still rankles me consent happens just it's just one rate and Peyton about Bush's the undisputed Midwest Championships best pound for pound female box in the world so uh I haven't even boxer well yes so it's just a time of when it's going to happen and the vice your costs I am I said she's a she's a brilliant boxin severely shame say what she wants franchise title was shop owner Adam Smith's your snick snuck into the left hand side as well because I think otherwise you'll see what your mental your Scar Stiller on thanks for joining us so he's taking what's really the perfect position here your call for a couple of reasons number one it's by the door and it's always really hot in here so it just if she has one expresses a subset lane choose just one of them Mar Mao say okay well we'll let you go and I love this fight all Welsh battle for your British and Commonwealth titles how well do you know each other because you were on the same Welsh Almaty a good breeze kind of flowing through but secondly because this is where the fighters are arriving if you've ever been here you'll know that the dressing rooms are out the around the back basically out the back of the stage and we just yeah balloon a lot from him yeah yeah it is it I'm took me under his wing after two thousand twelve Olympics and I'm will Joe called Dina on his way and Joe I was talking to your opponent governed grin on the phone last week I needed to get some background plenty about you I'm not covered him before dot com sober well I probably could never make middle and into the super middleweight limit the fog two thousand and six really shouldn't you shouldn't be here quite honestly sounds like a bristle thing to say but you shouldn't have made it you shouldn't have recovered but the somehow you here you are in every conduct yourself and your attention to to the sport in a positive way through three or conduct she got with momentum for Yassin Twenty six so interesting wolf you this Weekend Issue Debussy Signing Saudi matrimony you're going to be getting up in the ring away so right to just not do too much magic fight wait just a few cobwebs just fill your way into the whole kind of scale at the event say she's very very good for everybody isn't a a main the combination of characters Arabic Karna works because the two of you the very different heard during the course of the afternoon in terms of the Lonsdale belt is something that you have ambition to to win outright or if you not really planning away to all right hand side plenty of fans of packed in here because people really want to see the man that the top of the bill to the top of the Bill Facility Cope we're in the same Jim for a short while I was on the Gbi squad for many years so when I was coming home I very rarely go to Joe's and when I was going Luke Campbell back to back back to your fight as you said a few names of puts you but this is just a good fit isn't it everybody loves a kind of local rivalry everybody loves to people taking under me mom in goal is to become a world champion and obviously I got a long way to go when these are the so if I need data so of elevate meter position that far ahead nice nothing like I've said it before in interviews I don't it's not something I've always wanted it don't get me wrong it's lovely to a is a prestigious botanist lovely tabby under we didn't really cross paths there aspartame one seven two thousand fifteen we don't fool around together but yeah he's I I've seen him box in amateurs and so of attempt flights by thousands in two thousand eight and two thousand eight and then I moved grid yeah well same way anomaly I also looks Zola's on on and they didn't give me exactly what I wanted so same way canal to change about not stressing because you get different characters at different characters called the cell the I was on a page is patron me from debut in America so I've always rarely Beim with pay and had to Missouri and so my main main objective to get the win inside the soil return of the top of the bill you were number one on gb at sixty kilos eh either because even training through the weekend I was mainly going on the weekend but yeah he's a good boy when I was when he was a Welsh squad that was on. GV squad not to mention I mean a lot to me and afterwards I saw says yet but just go bike to same all too soon did it exactly same inch perfect short so you try to gather together he's just say Joseph's Pfizer we're totally that was your amateurism how the relationship or is the one wall about two thousand eleven up to the Rio Olympics my point is much Hanko of course is somebody you know plenty about will you governed Gordon is actually just walked straight pastas with totally dishonest way towards towards the rig artists coming in and out of the ring thick and fast positions told them it's within you know I was tournaments with him I'd never ever box him in in amateurs I started boxing in two thousand seven to a big fight a- fight the if you can win it all really really make strides for him yeah absolutely I think he's a pillows subsidy pizza pizza fury also if you could just wander over with us okay curious well so chaps very good fight and this is what we look forward to and this is what trained for so it is really looking forward to the so with a few names put shoe Oy each other all too far away from each other you're going to bring a big crowd downey records is going to bring quite a fee for Mussa said to me it could get enough tickets oh in different ways to get yourself a katy for example Katie Taylor very much Shikata Characters Ethan you you're talking in the ring you kind of set your example by the way you very very interesting night for you on Saturday interesting times actually recently saga mattress because now making it that on a mattress in cardiff straight in they're not the best one the suit my style so yeah I'm I'm glad it's actually coming up David David inside just introducing dolton swift it's the which is good to see you as always I'll let you get Dolphin Smith he's doing a little bit of skipping and and now we can bring in a couple of a couple of other people involved lucette timber you'll really not bullet he fired I say or what stage evacuated Iraq but with the the an argument for saying that now is a good time to be yeah I've seen him they I'd wides everything you've done as an amateur I I still I still ray obviously he's the best for me and yet is yeah news I just think Luke Campbell is GonNa just think you know forget to stop you know favorites don't mean anything obviously I've seen in boxing is a good fight for wash funds and British funds yes an exciting free names given to me a one point vacuum was on that list nope go to you. Es which won't won't at the I love looking at in the morning they just get affected uh-huh yet it's a lovely it's a beautiful belts if I may be gone on Saturday almost like do we this I mean you pulled off one of the biggest upsets in boxing in recent times when Tyson fury possibly Wladimir Klitschko so you know you know how and you chose perfect king or how can you tell us how did it work yeah there was a sixty seven names on the list Count Nicola Mold but there's a decent names on that but the lists that he is the best one they said Yeah that's why won't it so he's not so here we are I mean it's absolutely you know the pedigree we'll British Funds just really came to see Lama Cento in the flashlight then not discounting Campbell but most of the people who are coming here tonight for example they wanted to get a glimpse of this great to be show up shades of shade amateur tournaments with him and now approach to share the to be on a undercard of him is is also the Eastern European this great event isn't it I limit Tanko is pound pound one of the best players in the world you say Lukambo is it's gotTa go tons that walking him down I'm throwing these Schultz bought the arms everything under the soul because to try and box somebody like Jenkins about idea because you know the best show me built on the night what you looking forward to being part of a whole whole event really because it's like a special to build up for this update because people he's a big guy but it's going to be very vaguely fighting out you see how you see the top of the bill right Luke Campbell's chances in a contest like you know he's gotta be He's Moslem jewelry is just gonNA throw caution to the wind what I mean by that is he's not respect the faint not respect everything's AH prevent skin it's it's it's outstanding needs Olympic medalists ts in a world heavyweight champion house up four for last time he was an actually was against Yorkshire at Wembley would I won't deny Dodd won't save tattooed it means something my first secretary says I won't say is what you've got Salvi sleep means quickly within two years I was pretty inexperienced on GV squad so to get to like world championships and come get the metal stages if the BA ba Goswami thoughts again it's been out the ring for awhile he's thirty nine ice ages above me I want to just want to find the best nice one fighting a minute so I guess point in front of me I wanna find came into a street that's what I think while I'm with Ya at a I think if you're planning to points you're planning to outbox him and I don't think he just thirty out to get a note so quick timing so so cute but basically he's gonNA use strength he size and maybe being made to look foolish he's got he's got to gamble it all risk let me just say this the public in his he's a good fighter. Ruiz is limited in a lot of areas Joshua is not limited in the athleticism department you know just GonNa move he's GonNa Change some stove Dr Enough before let you go is the law with any heavyweight and heavyweight tried to ask you about the Anthony Joshua Andy Ruiz rematch because so you need to do more closer distance closer distance and that where that work against him anyway so for me that's what Joshua needs again these attributes and you'll come through and a gamble Gessen I think is is it fair to say that the thing the only thing that pilots is really fair she getting hit you don't say the pain yeah it takes a good step for them wrote the mind anything else all of that needs to be window I'm sure he's a professional he ain't got to think about the public ain't GonNa think please God let me and I'm sure he's capable of doing look you've got you've gotta follow six five six he's got all the attributes you know although he's got fast Joshua again Joshua stands in front of him he's going to have a big problem the fastest ones in the world but he's got slow feet but it more or less what you he said he's got to change his tactics and just get through just get the W. that's what's important bring the belt back you know that's what he needs to do be doing if you've afraid that if they losing and if they made to look foolish and I think Campbell's got to kind of risk earliest stop throwing them shelves keep on and keep on him because he's got that kind of stamina uses youth and use both strength these shop together what needs to be done in they're getting they're taking a straight fight weight height share fitness is going to set the pace even if you don't get him out minuets we haven't spoken about that the main thing is all eyes on perfection we don't look past any fight so there's no question to us right now because we've not disgusting it's all advised subsidy does your son if he gets a win against King what are you what are your thoughts. What are your kind of short long-term strategies I've not looked at anything and you know you talking about say happened for weeks they will be into that happens welcome to two things actually number one how did you see the fight going and number two yearbooks Saudi the good show on he's got to think this is for me I want it you'll Ra- my way and this is a fight and I don't care what's up in that side of that road because that ain't going to send me and not ain't GonNa help me anyway fire anything you know it'd be the best library in the world but he's on toll so civil and I'll see what unfolds so hoping well on Saturday if you get looks tied down leaning on you know get into the second half of the fighting you walk into trouble because we'll start getting desperate this call we'll tell him get out show you preferred to win get those belts back he's a matching Pfizer curious about sure you Pfizer you can never say never candidate that fight was not far away from being made what was it bucket two thousand yes I think it's a very good very good week and we were waiting for a long time for silly to get will be more focused this time but no matter what I think this game it's a very heavy weights is on the short side but like I said arrived and there was quite a reception committee foreign are we just managed to catch a quick word with his manager I guess I guess well actually we saw the driving the belt now he's being WB AWB Owbo he's being already over weight classes but we're looking forward to put that the green belt around his right yesterday you're on the next teebox to super silly his his first attempts golf but I have it on good authority crushing yours three hundred yards straight down the middle into the waste as well WBZ's and it's Kinda like a one mobile to

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Big Brother All-Stars | Live Feed Update | Sunday, Aug 23, 2020

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Big Brother All-Stars | Live Feed Update | Sunday, Aug 23, 2020

"Every morning. Armstrong. Again. Yes. Again. All John and GM Sandy. Juneau. That He. Tomorrow he will do is again. Hello. Everyone in good morning. Welcome to our live feed update for August twenty third I'm your host. Armstrong, and with me today is Ryan's Galley how you doing guy I'm good Taryn how're you doing doing well? I don't know what you're podcasting name as I was thinking. Usually That's definitely fair. I thought people go back and forth but usually it's still go by the last name like you know. All right. There you go. We are here to update you on everything that happened yesterday on the Big Brother twenty two live feeds. It was day eighteen in the house and again. Things are running pretty smoothly. I feel like the House has gotten into a rhythm. I think a lot of people are. Frustrated with the outcome of this particular week. So this is one of those weeks where you know if it's hard to watch, you can just Kinda. Chill for a little bit because. Nothing, too major is going on. You're just GONNA listen to these updates and and they might even be a little bit less in-depth because not a lot is changing the same way that it was in the first couple of weeks so. Just, just put it on, go go do some do some work do some cleaning do some cooking I don't know what you like to do while watching and listening to a podcast, but we're GONNA try and we're going to try walk you through this. Yeah that's exactly the move we've been seeing like this situation be set up for three weeks now. So it's not surprising that now that it's finally come to pass, there's not a lot that actually has to be done like it's set in place we're good it's all been discussed. So you know like you said listen to the updates you're from there yes alright. So we started the day with with Bailey and Janelle. Bailey is still concerned about the incident that happened the night before. where she kind of got into this, it wasn't even really a thing. She made a comment to Nicole when Nicole was kind of joking around with Devan about David having a crush on her. Bailey said. It took a couple tries to win the game in a few different boys. Which Nicole then turned into a couple of tries and a couple of guys. Again. Really screwed over in that regard because that is way catch here. and. Then Nicole was upset and now I went over this in the round table last night that. that Nicole seems to be more upset that that she was being sort of Like. Being viewed as trying to ruin days game. then. Then the comment just by itself. But but she did cry over it and then day went and told Bailey. That that Nicole was upset about the comment and they were supposed to talk and like. Kind of squash it real quick and Nicole even said I don't blame her. Like. It's not her fault. But Over the day, this is this is going faster. This wound is open wound. And Bailey starts the day like I'm really concerned about Nicole. She says to canal now. You should be concerned about Nicole she's a snake. I tell you about what she did on the amazing race. Yeah definitely, like you said, it wasn't a big thing but it became a big thing just by everyone talking about it over and over and Cole said like everyone else is here for followers but did good branding with the couple tries couple guys definitely knows how to you know get out quick get people to catch on. It's just like Nicole definitely well want it to be a big thing, but let me keep telling everyone about it. It definitely got brought up throughout the day multiple. Yes and and I will also say that Throughout the day Nicole is going to start to perpetuate the idea that Bailey was being mean to her where the previous night she hadn't. She didn't start to over the course of especially late into the night of. Of yesterday. So. While she did initially say I don't blame her it's not her fault. Like I said it has festered and now she's like, why would she even do wise you man and me this isn't fair. And she's passing that along but Danny was the one really started yesterday as well. WHO has a conversation with Bailey and talks about how like why? Why are you being so aggressive to? To Nicole. And like this. If if we're going to really place the blame on the person who really started this fire. I do think it's it's Danny who is telling Nicole. She's being so mean to you is telling Bailey in ecoles really upset. Why are you so aggressive means to her? That really she really. If we're really going by this wound analogy. Poking at it really hard. It's not ideal I mean when you have someone like Nicole who is a little sensitive and then also talking about a topic that she has already sensitive about due to fan reaction on the outside maybe. Then having someone in your ear being like, Oh, it was mean it was made it very easy to then buy into that and it build up build up in your own head and then to. Feel that way more and more throughout the. Yes so So that that is going to be a storyline throughout the day Bailey says, she wants to go after. A Straight up this she's done with she's wants to put up Nicole and Ian Wins in Hoa O. Age now remember that. Nicole is not actually in any alliances with big. Sometimes be hard to remember Bailey's in connect four with. Technically. Danny which it can technically like a connect five a little bit but it's more connect for, but it's it's it's mostly Bailey Devan Cody Enzo with like a side of Danny. And then the slick six is Bailey Dave, von Danny Cody Tyler, and Enzo. which does not include Nicole either. So I think that in Bailey's mind she can. Justifiably. Take a shot at Nicole and. Get rid of some of the numbers in for some of those people when NBA able to have clean hands like, oh, she's not in our alliances though. I I hope that she reevaluates this plan because Ian will just straight up go home. There's a little bit. This is why I was concerned with a while. I was rooting for it a bailey or von Hoa this week I was like ESPN's not safe definitely as an option to go up there and would be going home I, mean, if say either had one. But definitely, Bailey, as we're discussing right now, I think she would have had a number of people in her ear trying to convince her out of Nicole. She eventually, like does kind of figure out that Nicole would have to be up against someone really popular in order to go home and Ian might not be that person in this house. So popular is the only outside inside the House that might not work. So I don't think she ever really came to a decision of who that would have to be but I'm not feeling great about Ian if Bailey happens to win and H. O. H. coming over. So they pick players veto cody Memphis, and Bailey are chosen to play. And they will be joining, of course, Tyler. Janelle and Qaysar Taylor is GONNA talk with Memphis about the veto competition Memphis says, I don't care I'm gonNA play ably win. I'm not going to throw it. I already told John Cases. That I'm not gonNA veto on them. If I in fact I had a conversation specifically I think last week that was like I mean I wouldn't use veto on you and week two or three like I know you wouldn't use veto on me. So why are we even pretending? So Memphis does not care. And will be trying to win the veto and will not use the veto. If he does win he, he doesn't care if they, get, upset. Yeah, it definitely the right position for Memphis probably even if he's not in that big alliance in his point of view because it's Kinda, just inevitable that one of them's GonNa go home anyway. But especially considering that he thinks that he's in so tight with everyone. At, Memphis is definitely portraying that he is going to be trying his hardest whether people believe that or not. They also talk about how journal is probably the better target this week. Now last week Memphis been talking with cody about wanting Qaysar to be the one to go over and that he would be pushing that hard this week. But that idea has changed and he now considers journal to be the bigger threat to go home. In part as well because he feels like Taser, on his own won't be able to get any purchase with his ideas, but we'll continue to make an outcast of himself by pushing hard and that he won't be able to slow down and it will be easier to just go back to back with case and with journal, and then case her versus Qaysar Journal where John L. might be able to actually blend back in for a little while. An interesting read the sage anelle could blend back in by them but I mean when you have someone who was evicted. Three times preacher in two seasons versus someone that made the final three, both of their first two seasons. It's not surprising that she is viewed as the bigger target this week but is saying that case Sir wouldn't be able to make any inroads where journalists is the one who they have primarily villain is to the whole house I think. Might be a wrong read not that it's going to be a huge difference between the two but definitely interesting, it's an it's an interesting read because on the surface, it does seem correct to write that like journal does have connections. She's tight with baileigh issues made those connections a little bit more and they are going to have a conversation. Journal. where Literally the next conversation to talk about. Actually with a little bit later. But they have a conversation where Janelle tells case like I think you can go far if you just chill out and he says, I can't that's I just can't journal. That's not me so. I do think that there are some surface level points that correct there that is going to keep pushing. And he doesn't really have any connections in the house he doesn't even have a Bailey. Really. So you can kind of see the logic but despite all of that. It's still. It's still she has the reputation for competition wins. It's You know she is the person that that Danny is so hyper focused on for no reason that Nicole is so hyper focused on. That like it's just it's hard to see Janelle being able to blend back in even if she does change up her game but I like I could be wrong here because journal does plan on changing her game. She's GonNa talk to her about how you know what Screw Heaven Screwed Yvonne they screwed us over. If I, win the eight, your wage. I'M GONNA go after the floaters I hate floaters I'm putting Devan and Kevin I'm GonNa try and team up with these power people. A guys just because it's another, all star does not mean that we have to try the same thing as all stars won it didn't work out last time so I don't know I guess a little bit for Journal. So maybe that's why she's defaulting there but. Yeah definitely terrified in like journal basically nose I'm not going far regardless. So what me just take out the people that I don't have an interest in watching later in the season if I'm watching and I guess that makes sense but from a win equity perspective, maybe not so much. Yeah I mean I, I, guess I like. To be fair this is what worked for her and all stars, right. If she if she just like buddies up with a tyler or cody and then let them sort of like control, her H H is then they'll throw competitions to her. And then nobody else will be able to take her out right? That's exactly what happened. Last Time Yup and I? Don't think that. She would not be bad for one of their games to pick up as a giant target is actually tyler exactly, and so I was a little bit surprised to see both of them like. Kind of. On having her go out this week where I think it will probably become a discussion point later in the week but definitely, not a bad move for them to have a target in front of them. Jenolan caves are also just in general talk about these other outsiders and how disappointed they are in. Their disappointed in divine as talked about. Justice, really skill in the game she's only good at getting information and then spreading the information. There's nothing else there. And they're so frustrated. They can't believe that Nicole sabotage them and herself by constantly telling people didn't them even after their pitch to get the cold votes, they left the room and she sabotage them right. Then like what did you think what's going to happen? They're like, I can't she did that and really we can't forget that. All of this like anti Nicole in case or sentiment like it really came into focus. During the week during last week. I I it happened just a little bit when John, Alan case. Starting pitching, they wanted to go after cody and Tyler and Danny an call. But then what really made the entire house start to get on this train in the way that frustrated a lot of the viewers was that Nicole Anthony was spilling literally at every single thing that Jon Allen Case said. An you have your closest allies, spilling your all of your guts all over the house. All of the bad parts then like the nobody in the house, trust them anymore and it's like ninety percent Nicole Anthony's faults. Yeah it's not good I. Mean you had a bad read by Nicole Anthony as well as we said, Sir cannot sit back. So for the first two weeks even when it's definitely a lost cause and you can see that case is full steam ahead, we have to save who we want and is going to be campaigning no matter what. So the combination of the Ju- really has resulted in a giant target on both of their backs and they don't have a lot of ammo anymore because all. They. Cases in case there says we're we're like the people who win and do nothing with their h h like Memphis was H he was on our team and. It's like when Fassi One and you're screaming at the screen like no stop. Goes. Yeah, but that's happened before. You mean Howie Yeah. Yeah. Oh. How We? At one point. Away back in the day was one of my all time favorites but you know. That was an interesting childhood Joyce. Go. You know it was. Definitely from their perspective where they don't know. You know from this perspective that is in with everyone else. Fareed they did not go in harder with them. Yeah. So they go to play the veto. And he's come back cody. Has One veto tyler came in second place didn't very well. And most people in fact, think he through the final round to cody. In fact Dan he's GonNa talk to Nicole about it and she's pretty annoyed at both tyler and cody because She's like, why did cody let tyler throw it to him in final round I. Don't want to have a target on his back to tyler to have tire target on his back. Why are we letting tyler put the target on cody. Yeah can definitely see Danny already being ready to prop tyler up as that target once a few more of them go home so it was not in Danny's. Scenario but maybe telling everyone that it wasn't your your ideal scenario is not the best early. Danny's GONNA. Danny. So are you GonNa? Do It is funny because she keeps talking to Nicole About Tyler Nicole has never reciprocated this. Nicole has always been like Yeah. Sure I. Agree. So I don't know where Nicole's head is at with this, she hasn't told anyone about it, but she's also not contributing. This is probably the smart thing to do whether or not she fully agrees. Yeah and if this does become whether it's Danvers Tyler cody averse tie burst tyler I would think. Nicole would obviously tend to side towards cody. Okay. But if it becomes Danny off on her own verse, everyone, I'm not so confident Nicole is sticking her neck out there. I think. Colin this when Danny is like I'd want I want the target on tyler not cody I think Nicole is probably thinking i. don't care which one and the targets on as long as it's not me this is my thing. The K- cody cody is my poly in Tyler is my corey right now like I don't care. Or maybe the other way around. Both the target can be on tyler could be cody or it could be on Danny whatever works for her that. It's fine moving forward. She has the MO and she knows that she can use it later. So. So Nicole is also going to talk with Danny and Christmas. She's very concerned that Janelle is GonNa blow up on her at some point. So I just know it's coming. I'm just want to be prepared for it. Cody I think going to blow up on me. Can. Help prepare for. It's going to hurt my feelings. Yeah. There's this thing about how was going wait until after the veto was played to blow up which she has discussed a little bit. So I don't think that's totally inaccurate. You have Christmas pumping up Nicole like you're a legend it's like, okay Nicole her spot on all stars is Nicole a legend. Let's reevaluate at the end of the season maybe but you know Christmas is one to always pump up the team, and so she is the filling her role right now for all, she took some cues from from Paul it's a Nicole. It's a big accomplishment to. Survive. Janelle. From it and See if I didn't think Christmas would be up there herself I would be expecting like a Dan like. Motivational speech for everyone on the wall still That's what I'm expecting at Christmas so far. MEMPHIS IS GONNA talk with Christmas and Nicole. He he's now now that he's not hate your wage. All about team. I think we should discuss as a team as a group who wants to go this week I think we still on the same page I'm thinking Genero should be the one to go for all the reasons that we talked about already. and. Nicole and talk Dan. Now disguise off the team like, okay. All right. MEMPHIS last week was very much like. I want to hit a home run and I don't want to you know run the bases I just want to you know knock it out of the park and that's it and this week with his alliance. It's very much like all right I'm going to take my time do a little slow jog and definitely put the effort in where he should have probably been tweeting last week where it would have a lot more. And I was going to talk with Bailey. And he's kind of throwing out this idea of what if we did keep channel around she'd be useful because she's going to go after Nicole and that's fine. Nicole's not in our lines and she's also going to be this big target. So what if what if we did that and so likes to throw out ideas? Yeah definitely I find it interesting like which idea's ends throws out to which people in the House it's fun keeping track of that but ultimately, it doesn't seem enzo is necessarily throwing this out everywhere. So I could see him deciding to. Pick this up a little further into the week. And the other people probably bringing up this point. But for I don't think it's a bad idea especially to be talking to one of genitals closest ally his about maybe we should keep her and do what you want a I'd be open huger weeks. Yeah I'm I'm really curious to nail down exactly where Enzo is because. Week. One he was like he won the veto and he was like a backdoor tyler. Joking. And then we to. He was always talking about like maybe we should save Nicole and then he votes to save Nicole. which nobody cares about nobody nobody knows where that vote came from nobody really cares Now this week he's talking about like maybe we should keep journal maybe we should use to go after an Ecole. and. Then we'll talk about it a little bit later but he's going go to tyler and be like. Tyler these these women in the house they're not winning anything. Danny she super sketchy Nicole She just riding our co tells they talk about taking them out because they're winning all the competitions and then later he's going to go back to Bailey and he's going to say never mind maybe journal should go because more about her getting a power. Like fan voted power and you know what is still going to go after Tyler and cody and you know what? Tyler is very, very dangerous in this game he's really good. He's GonNa win this thing we gotta get tyler out at some point. So maybe case can help us do that. It's like, where are you dude? I don't know where you are. In that conversation with Enzo Tyler in cody it becomes like let's argue why every single person in this house is a threat and so it's like Dave honest paranoid but you know who makes her paranoid kind Bailey know who Bailey's blows with genetic canals up it's like, yeah we all know why journals threat you've been talking about it three weeks now. So it's just person to person to person they're going through and setting up future targets, and of course, he also is talking about in all the like we're not gonNa let no winner. Win Again, you know champions going going to be a champion again on my seasonally and that's why maybe he's ready to keep Canales because he'll. She'll go after another winner in Nicole over. Now, we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back. Hi I'm Kirsten mcinnis Hosa island recaps over on reality. TV. 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That's the case here again, trying but all-stars one let's go to the other big targets try to target some floaters at someone else. Let's try to figure this out but Janelle kind of is like I'm going home. Why are you doing this like set up your game for the future? Don't make yourself a target. So next week we're both out of this house. She says, yeah I I'm the bigger target like home this week. Cases like. Fake offended like. Thanks. To tells him to chill. He says, he can't. He has to be aggressive. That's just who he is. And he says, look this is going to be the first time in the House that I'm here without you. I'm just going to go broke he's going to go for it. Yeah I think. They both see the writing on the wall neither case or now want to spend. Months in juries. So that is also a concern but you see that they are both we've always seen both type of players to. Play all out. No matter the circumstance. So it's not surprising to see when their have their backs against the wall both on the block together for the third time over the years they are Kinda just like just gopher it. There's no point. Christmas is going to get her punishment for for being the plus one and it is a star baby. It's it's a little like pillow in the shape of a star with like very weird is. Yeah it is interesting punishment Yeah, it's it seems like a little insensitive on a few different levels we're like. Even just even just basic level. There's a bunch of parents in here. Who are like who have babies at home who are missing them a lot? Also you have Bailey in here who just a couple of weeks ago was talking about how like she would have a two year old right now If. Things hadn't happened and and in the house. That that are very tragic. And it's like glow we we need to. We need to have a baby punishment. Like the main thing here is that it's annoying and she has to get up and run. So just like we can. We can get another theme here I, think. Even like Dave van like in the house notices and it's like we have all these parents that are missing their children at home, and now I have to listen to the screaming like Christmas carrying around Christmas is going to get a segment out of this. So she's happy but everyone else like still has to deal with all bill announcements all over the house and Dave on recognized. This is not like super sensitive to everyone that's in the house. So it is like, why did they not? You know put Christmas in costume make it's Dave on brings up like make it. So that's how I is. It not his ideal punishment at all. But at least for other people, it would be like I don't even know what the entertainment value in this whatsoever. Yeah I I agree with that and it's it's just it's just a little just a little off I think. All right. So Case original are going to a TACO. Day. She she has a plan though that if she goes home in case there stays she wants case or to make Nicole I, have not next week and she wanted when he does she wants him to say this is from Gina. And there's a little bit more embellishing on there. I. Don't even know if I can see the business from Janelle coming out of case or smells let alone. The embellishments that she wants. To throw on from her but I definitely am not surprised to see John L. planting seeds before she is about to leave the house to you know get under Nicole skin from home. I can't believe she's going to blow up on me like that Y-. Nicole in other Genera will be here and Nicole will still be upset about how will not leave her alone why me? So They also talk cases going to have a little bit of. A sad moment. He's feeling down about being there. That he's left his family's like, what am I doing here? Like in these times. He No. He he he. He thought of this as like a way to go and do something that mattered. You know have this platform to. To get messages across that he felt were important. then. You know after doing this, he could go back to his family. And Be. I did my part I'm not just taking I did something to give back. and. He realizes how stupid that sounds Saddam TV show but. This is this is an opportunity in a platform that he has And it's just typical. Awesome. keister stuff. and. Janette is there comforting him? Just. Doing her best donell. Really. Not. The Best Comfort Person. But she's just kind there as a sounding board letting him talk at her, which is really all he needs at the moment. Yeah. When you know people have talked about that segment on big brother fourteen where it's like does have emotions and Kaser does canal is not be best at dealing with though it's very much like okay. So like it's okay like that's the extent of what you get. So she's there for him and we'll sit with him but very much cannot empathize fully with what he's going through. Yeah. He's like this place messes me up. It's mess message people up and she's like. Talking about we're fine. We'll be fine. Go home. You're fine and he's like my brain doesn't work the same way. Yours does you. She's like this is fun I do for sport like I'm excited like Janelle. Really does like thrive in the Big Brother House and very much enjoys like the like manipulation and social strategy whereas like for keizer easier and I think he's GonNa be happier once he gets home and sees like segments on the show that did make air and like actually will have an impact but right now it is just it's been a rough couple of weeks for the both of them but there are definitely like points out handling. The Agile Journal says Tim I told you before we came into this place that we weren't gonNA. Win. This is not gonNA. Work out well for us. And that was before. Other people got pulled and we thought there would be bigger targets in here. So. There and he's like, yeah, I mean I I didn't I didn't come expecting to win either it's not really he he's also in tears about Nicole Anthony feeling so bad for her saying it's not her fault that she came in here and watching a sweet girl like that. Be Broken by this place. Between the sobbing and the not trusting them. He feels so bad for her. And and again, it's just like this guy, he's so he's just so great scally. And especially, you guys were talking about yesterday like Kevin says I met case in real life not impressed like how how did that happen especially like for the day after like this to be the case or all day on the feeds like it was just like Example of exactly why everyone likes case or so much. That was really a moment where it's like You read online like Oh this celebrity and they were a jerk, it's like. It seems like people just take. Oh celebrities a jerk like that. One interaction from one random person. Kevin Campbell met Qaysar and thought he was a jerk Kevin I mean I don't think anyone's taking much of Kevin, says the season seriously. So I don't think it's. Having much of an impact anyone needs to do is go online and make a comment about it somewhere and then For years if that's if that's the only person that's case people will just assume cases a jerk in the community. That's what happens all the time. So. It's weird wine again I think people are really going to consider the source, but I have not been able to get really any read on Kevin after being excited for him to come back in the house. So I am not surprised. This is where we're at right now. Case in general also talk about like when they met and this was this is super sweet to hear like it's so it's so weird to like hear these people reminiscing about this sort of the you know their perspective on in their memories of the things that I that I was watching they talk about like tyler and how he was like ten years old when they played the first time and I was like, yeah, I was I was I was not that much shoulder than that watching you too and they're talking about the first time they met and how Jonah was pretending to be dumb but. Through it. And I was like, oh. My God this like I don't know if other people will understand like what this means to me if. Ten years ago. Yeah it was so good and that's the thing is it's like we have all watched them for this long and so when you have generic, put it in perspective like my daughter is almost as old as tyler was when we were on the first time. So it is. Definitely. I had hits like four me the same as it's hitting like a is. Just. It's the reason why there are so many like a jason tribute videos going around this week is like it has a big impact, even this many years later and like it's this short of a time this. Go around but. You know it's still it's the same. Speaking of which they are talking about tyler they think he's a Nice Guy they're kind of like he's probably GonNa win good for him. But they also talking about him as a big threat, which is a very common element throughout the day between Danny Enzo has said it now they are saying it and then later run a hear Kevin talk about it part of that is because In one of the row, so the competition was played in. Keats. It was in matchups like I think it was case her versus Tyler's or maybe it was I don't remember But. That's why it was tyler versus cody in the final round and they think the tyler through to cody. But in a previous round, tyler got like the fastest time by far he got like thirty nine seconds where it took most people like four minutes. and. This guy's insanely good and smart enough to then throw it later. Like. You don't just go from thirty nine seconds to mediocre. and. So they're all looking at him throughout the day as this. This guy not only is he? Massively competitions as we see, but he's also a super nice guy. Doing really well, socially responsible positioned like everybody has an ion tyler right now. Yeah. We've definitely come far from wounded bird tyler that was around for the first couple of weeks, and now it's like, okay. giant physical social mental threat. Tyler is in the House with us. He's back like people are starting to remember the kid that they saw on bb twenty. And so. Nicole. Is going to talk with Christmas and now like the days has gone by a lot of like little things here and there Bailey's acting weird around Nicole according to Nicole and Nicole is hearing that Bailey's talking about potentially targeting Nicole and there's some the tension is building. In Nicole's talking to Christmas. She's filling her in about the situation she's like. She was so mad at me and she was being mean and she she made that comment on now it's I'm annoyed is this big thing and I'm hearing they decided we. Targeted because vins. It's no good. No. Good. Not Great I mean. We haven't even talked about where people have brought up. There was a comment from Danny saying to Nicole stuff like something that was along the lines of like Oh. Yeah. showmances can really help game like just ask Nicole and the very different reactions that the two garnered and I think a lot of that can be jacked up to like when you have a joke that is coming from a friend and we know that Nicole and. Danny up released on the outside whereas coming from someone where Nicole is probably already worked up fairly to be against her in this house and a threat. So and like we've said, other people have also been kinda hyping up that it was being, but it definitely does not look good whether it be you know optically or to go ahead and just say like the reaction is just not fun the two different reactions from them it. kind of feeds into people already say about Nicole's. Not Not Ideal. So. Danny is GONNA talk with Memphis of it. And speaking of people who like. Danny. Like it's almost as if she's convinced herself that she had no problem with problem with Chanel because I I remember night one. Danny's like people are like so like sucking up to in case like we need to. Nip this in the bud. And like she was, she was hyper focused on John. Gina was the first name out of her mouth basically. And Journal for a long time. Nanna Danny's Danny's got me. I've got Danny like Oh great with Danny. In fact, Danny was expecting to be pulled into an alliance with Janelle days into the game. Because she knew that she was still under nells good side. It wasn't until like the late week one where. Nicole caught Danny in a room with cody and Tyler and Nicole that the journal started to be like his Danny, not with me and then it wasn't until week to the Journal started saying Danny's name. As one of those targets, and that's when Danny panicked and offered an alliance with John L. but to hear Danny tell it She came in I'm friends with Janelle. Like I I wanted to work with her, but she just came right on me. I don't even know what happened. Yeah. It's strange because I remember like even like you said that first night it's like everyone leaves the room. It's everyone's talking and Danny's just to like Nicole and like sometimes like Dave van do you notice how? Like the biggest threat in here, we cannot leave them here like immediately and it really and I've said like it feels like Danny took the lessons of thirteen to don't slip on your alliance when maybe she should have thought a little bit more about the let's keep big targets ahead of few still and not the immediately be throwing out their names on night one. So I've been a little concerned about Danny. As you say playing Messi through these first couple of weeks and it seems like. At least genetics onto her so I think that we could see other people catching on eventually fail. Danny's also GonNa talk with Ian and they talk about Janelle going home that Ian and Ian is on board as we know, IAN would like for go. He feels like he's building some kind of relationship with cancer and so you can work on that. If genetic goes home, she's just way more dangerous. Ian. Let's Danny know that case or did tell him about a four person lions, Tyler Danny Nicole and cody tyler in cody where a pair that Danny and Nicole repair he says I did not believe him I, think he was lying to me. Yeah and I think people were like, why would you tell this right to Danny's phase? It's like. They probably know that he's heard this already and by bringing them that information and at least attempting to convince them that you're not onto them at all and it's going to probably benefit Ian moving forward at least it's not going to outright hurt him at this point. Yeah. I think also he might believe that case. There's so. Don't say that. I'm like trying to attribute it like no no, he's playing it. But yeah, I mean, there is that chance I think he knows that whether it is true or not though it's not going to benefit him to openly be like. I think he has to wait away. He's also like he has been very like once four prime was made like there's been a mark. You can see there's a difference in behavior. He's so much happier in the day he's talking to people more like you can tell that he feels I think very comfortable with this alliance a very good about this alliance. So. We'll see we'll see where we go with and he did talk to. Kevin a little bit about. Like. Feeling like. He talked to Kevin and he said that in his first season. He was like playing poker. Some people come into the game they're playing poker seeing everybody's cards because they have all the information. It's very easy. In his first season he was playing poker with the lights off blindfolded. Idea what he was doing or what was going on. And he thinks that this season it's a little bit easier. kind of implying that like I know some things. And Kevin was like I'm you I'm such a you right now because I have no idea what's happening. And that's actually a good spot though. That's the Dan spot. That's the that's the nobody's GonNa. Look at you as a target nobody's going to target you. You'll. You'll stick around for a while you've got time to catch on. So I really get the sense that Ian feels comfortable where he is. So that implies to me that he is at least a little bit telling the truth to Danny about like not believing these other things because if he did. I think he would not feel super comfortable where he is I think that them constantly pushing back on including tyler in the group has probably convinced him that they probably never had a thing with tyler they really don't want tyler in this group which means this probably like genuine. And I'm I'm a little concerned but I think the the good thing Ian has going for him is that. Danny actually is against Tyler Tyler actually is against any and they probably have to deal with each other I before anything else happens. He just has to watch out for the Bailey's and day vons of the world who are planning on putting him up on the block next to Nicole which would definitely sent him home exactly. Yeah. For Ian it's good that like finally now he has some people in that majority alliance besides Nicole who are going to let's. Say He is put up against another quote unquote outsider that he is not going to necessarily automatically be the target to go home, which was the position he was in before. So in that sense, I do agree that in is reading it correctly he's in a better position good stuff there. But hopefully, he can wake up and see the reality of the rest of the situation around him at I. Just wish I wish he would talk to us yeah that's. He did he didn't fourteen. He just like. My concern is that I think that he might now be smart enough to realize that when he talked to us in fourteen, he kind of gave away that he knew nothing. and. So He's smart enough to realize that if he says anything to us now and he's wrong proves that he do he didn't know anything whereas if he doesn't say anything, we can keep assuming that he's just doing the smart. Yeah exactly and seems like such an Ian play and it's like. He's smart like that. Right. And it's not even into not watch seasons. You can't chalk it up to him seeing cliff exposing himself talking through the door. I definitely think that there is some motivation there for Ian whether he is. The slave possibilities talking and we're just not catching it on the feeds because you know we tend to see. either. A big group or a couple of people at a time. But I think that that's probably correct in that he learned his lesson that. So, Kevin's GonNa, talk with Dave on late into the night, they like to have these late night conversations. They talk about going after, Nicole With Ian Wants Memphis goes home. Wait what once Memphis goes home what do you mean once Memphis goes home. They are looking at this game like they've got a couple more weeks that. John is GonNa go home. Go Home Memphis is going to go home then they're going to strike back. Yeah not great calculations going on and both of these two, well in the past may have been known for reads definitely, not so much this season. So this miscalculation really could be the end for at least one of them. Know Dave on keeps getting thrown around but seeing that I think it's arly bad ribs arly wishful thinking thinking that they have this much time. So I don't think that it's going to go down in the manner that it's going to. Yeah. Not to mention the fact that like it's Okay, you'RE GONNA wait a couple more we and then once you do take the shy, you're still talking about Ian and Nicola. Just send Ian Home. like. So even if you do when h wage, it's going to be completely ineffective Look. Minds can change. It's GonNa Change what I keep telling myself at least. They, they also joke around about the David stuff. And? I enjoyed talking with you Kevin like I wanted to have these moments with. Bailey. But I just don't. I just don't have these moments with. She's too close to genucel. Like she just she she doesn't This has been a recurring theme over the last couple of weeks that day von just doesn't feel like she can connect all the way with Bailey because Bailey is too close to journal and David is suspicious of it. Yeah I mean and like when it leaked to at least cody that. That Dan had the you know little crush on David. It probably did not help things. So for her to then be opening and she's like I shouldn't tell you this like here's everything and definitely goes on and the whole time and I thought that there were no potential for showmances and I was really hoping that it would be the case especially with divine not where I am rooting for a showman's to you. Now, even further a target on her back, but she seems to be giving in a little bit. I mean honestly I'll like hot take I think a showman's with David would help her game interesting I do. I feel like if if people started to look at David and day as like a package deal people like tyler would feel more comfortable keeping day around because he's got David. And if David has got day, then then he doesn't have to worry about as much. He doesn't have to be in an alliance with day where he's worried that she might out it. All you to do is be good with David and and be like. David. Can you make sure the day doesn't target me and now all of a sudden tyler doesn't have to worry about day anymore. And like and she also has a little bit more like quote behind her name like she's got it's David and they von. Who Now if David Competition? Seven point that would help I mean showmances generally I do think tend to help the person that the people that are in them as long as they don't get distracted by the show as long as they're still playing the game and being social. Having a partner in the game can be very helpful. And I do agree that it would help her on that side of the House I was still worrying about. People like Nicole or cody or Danny like seeing that von is the linchpin between Bailey and David and Lino whoever else in the house and having being viewed as having to close pairs already, maybe a little concerning but I definitely do see positives in having. Tyler's trust here in actually bringing her into something more solid. Yeah. Part of part of this take as well as the. There's not really too much further to fall for like at this point. Throw throw anything against the wall because very fair. What else is there to lose? Right Kevin is also GonNa talk to the cameras late into the night. Talking about Tyler being dangerous this guy's GonNa win this game. He needs to be back doored. Talks about like what would I do if I want to? Put Up Cody. Tyler. Would I try to back door? Tyler? Now, probably just go with the Memphis. Plan. MEMPHIS. MEMPHIS out. It's so rough because even like Devan and Kevin we're on about like Oh, yeah. We have to go for these big physical guys, but we have to wait for the double of action because he got him out quick and it's like there's only one maybe two a season you can't wait. There are so many of them you have to not rely on waiting and like bear. So content to push off till after Memphis go home. and. You guys aren't going to have that much time. So. That was most of the day. Anything else that you want to bring up. Sky. That's pretty much it. Right. So. There we go. That's what we have. It's Jon Allen case or they lost the veto. Looking like journal will go home. There's maybe some rumblings that things could change. But in my opinion I think we're GonNa to be losing journal on Thursday. We're seeing a lot of people start to look at Tyler. It's big threat. He's got some time to let that cool off. He's probably got a few weeks actually to that cool off. So I don't think it's like major buzzkill for his game but definitely, what we were worried about looking at tyler coming into the game is that he would be this figure which he seems to be. and. I'm definitely curious to see how he gets out of it because he is in kind of a tricky position within this alliance where most people are loyal to cody before they are to him. and. That means that he is a prime. Target. But we'll see. And and we're seeing a lot of people at the moment also looking at Nicole Andean, as potential nominees. That's mostly what we got for the day. Yeah. That definitely is concerning for both tyler and Ian. Likely obviously invading the more likely to go out in that scenario. But I'd like you said I feel like we have a couple of people to go through and I do think tyler is able to read the room reposition himself but it's just a matter of what are the available pieces left on the board by that point because if he lets this, go a couple of weeks before really addressing he might be you know letting his options out the door. All right. So that's what we have for you skelly where can people find you? All right. Well, I'm going to be podcasting all season with Carson. McKenna's about love island right here on the wrap-ups feed so you floodlit violent. Wenjun veto. I know. But we have we have a I was not thinking that we were going to have any potential for showmances. So I was GONNA? Say. If for some reason, you watch brother showmances and we don't have any love island is right around the corner and you get to see people five days a week to six days actually the season a week where happening in real time people get a vote you were frustrated by the what's going on on big brother you can have your say on what happens on Love Island at least vote for your favorites. But so we'll be podcasting about that all season long and then I am on twitter at Ryan under Sports Scali tweeting about a brother and whatever other shows are on their manage you gotta season outright. Salary. You can also find me at Armstrong Taryn on twitter and on twitch. Twitch twitch dot TV slash Karen Armstrong. We back later tonight's to recap the nomination episode of brother twenty two and I'll be back tomorrow morning at eleven eastern to update everything that happens today on the big brother twenty two feeds. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Big Brother All-Stars | Saturday Roundtable Aug 15

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Big Brother All-Stars | Saturday Roundtable Aug 15

"Hello, everyone and welcome to the big brother twenty two, a roundtable podcast this podcast where we break down everything from the feeds. On this particular podcast, we will be talking about the legacy of these returning all star players on. Big, brother twenty two, I'm your host Karen. Armstrong. And with me, tonight is Matt. How're you doing? I'm good I'm excited to to get into it. We've had a couple crazy days fell S. H. Com. So crazy I within two days still so much to talk about. So looking forward to it. Yes. Also with me is Asia Asia I'm doing well I I'm so glad that feeds have been holly are because I definitely at the end that h when Memphis Crown H I thought. Oh my gosh this is the most or week I've ever seen, but it didn't turn out the way. So I'm so glad to be here talking about it didn't quite turn out that way now. Also joining me is Dallas. Who is I played? Sequester with? He's a big big brother. Fan. Dallas, how you doing? Do get I'm ready to break down the amazing all-star game play that we've been seeing the last couple of weeks. All right very excited to talk with you guys. We will be discussing everything that's been going on on the feeds. Since the last time we had a round table. So around Tuesday, there wasn't too much that happened from Tuesday, to Thursday, but there's plenty to catch up on from this week and then we'll get into the state of the House and the Legacy Watch so. Let's get into it. What are the most important events from the previous week from before Thursday on the feeds in the house? Was that Nicole? Anthony walked in on. Cody. Frenzel Tyler and Danny Scheming and she was like Ave, they were definitely scheming. They were definitely doing something they do something sketchy and they covered it poorly I caught the four of them and she was trying to tell people this prior to the eviction, but it didn't really go anywhere but that happened and it's going to be important for the story of this week so far here, Matt? Yes it did. which is crazy because only crazy but like Nicole is obviously a very important person that's going to be talked a lot to talk about tonight since the season began we've been talking a lot about people and their specifically very bad reads that have been happening and Nicole is absolutely one of those people. Along, with many other people in the house, but she walked into this room, she saw this, she saw this group and. I don't know if you consider that a reader not because it's something that she actually saw before her eyes, but she brought it back to people and. I. The closest she's been to kind of be incorrect about something in a while. But as days have gone on a lot of this is kind of a next up here and there. So it doesn't seem like we're you know using any of that towards anything good for Kohl's. Yeah, it's. I mean to fair like many people have walked in on these. These guys who've been totally scheming day walks in on them talking game constantly. And she's she's getting some okay reads elsewhere now but she doesn't seem to always catch them when they're talking games. I will give some credit here to Nicole Anthony that she didn't manage to catch these and they aren't really a a tight four. There's no official alliance of the four of them, but it's close enough Asia. Right very close enough. It's close enough to being that side of the House and so. When coal caught them like this is going to be big brother twenty-one all over again because she has the right information just doesn't know what to do with it, and so I think that the fact that that other side is so convoluted in all the tangling webs it's Kinda hard for her to even justify that win telling someone else about this alliance that she caught talking because they're like a will they know tyler's to so and so or they know that cody is close to Enzo so would. It really make sense and so I don't know I just I hope something comes of it but I feel like we're too many days away from when when that happened for anything to come to fruition. I feel like I've been talking about this too since the feed started the for all stars, they're not great at changing the subject. We. Danny Danny Brioni Oh my goodness. She is the main offender there. She is just anytime somebody walks in the room and she has to tell them Oh we were just talking about the dog now I saw a couple of weeks ago. Oh, we were just talking about the Coca Cola that's in the fridge. It's been sitting there for a couple days like nobody asked literally nobody asks it's fine. You relaxed. That that, we're just like. Oh. Hey Hey Dallas, you just walked into the room. This is what we were talking about when we think the compass star, when do you think the compass starting Dallas? I, I don't know beats me who's in the Dr that that's really the conversations they're having, and it's so bizarre and I think one of the reasons Danny gets away with it. So easily is. She's talking game with almost everyone in the house, and so I really feel like a lot of people feel comfortable with her. So if they walk in and she's talking to other people, it's like she's not scheming against me. So for now. That's how it is. Dallas. Did you have a Go-to line that you used when people would walk into your sequester room or click into your room? I would literally just say the thing like everyone else says and be like, have you heard aim? No one's name. I feel really good about this room right now. Exactly are really Going through this room is through the roof of key right all your names down us for the right now. So. Good about this. With all stars. Yeah. So the week goes on and. We're going to see that there was a little bit of a last minute push to try and keep Kisha, but it wasn't really real. It was a lot of Day von kind of. For some reason tricking Giselle and Christmas into thinking that, there might be votes for Kisha to stay when there really weren't in that. Got Them. Talking to people in general to this day is is still like he should've kept Kisha. We had the numbers to keep Kisha and we didn't do it I. Really. We had Keesa in this house Nicole Anthony. Best. Friend of Kevin. And it still feels like A. Not. I don't I don't think they ever could have successfully gotten to stay because obviously things were getting a little messy towards the end of nobody was ever on board with that but it seems like at least I saw Bailey today that seemed like she might actually considered it if maybe they had another day or two. Right. And Hey even said that she had another week. Last in. If only. I mean that's that's all you nearly need is you know if you were in a week, you just need another week and then you might not have been a victim that. Somebody needs to. Put her handler. A. Couple of extra weeks as well. So Kiesha is evicted unanimously and Memphis wins the next eight age. Dallas. Did you think this is going to be boring too because I did I did think like this was going to be pretty smooth sailing I. Went into this h not expecting like I wasn't even thinking about Memphis winning. And then I wasn't at all expecting him to have the age that he does this guy might as well be sponsored by airheads those old commercials is had. This big, and he's kind of being super rude to everyone to it's like zero to one hundred classic case. But I didn't expect to see it. So soon and an all stars eason. Yeah. Yeah. Sh It's IT'S It's so. Here's the thing to like Memphis. He was acting like this before he just didn't have any real power like he was like our guys. So what we're GONNA do is right every six I alliance and I'm GonNa, choose the people i WanNa talk to everyone to be so blatant. This late in about it. Yeah and what went into I? Mean we're seeing the results of that this week. But what went into that decision making process that this is the alliance Oh i. don't need to get to know them beforehand I don't need to make sure that these people actually can work together on a game level. I just have these people in my head. You know they look like me. So I'm willing to this alliance and yet these people together and it's just like crashing and burning because it just it came out of thin air not naturally not. Okay. We get along. So I think we'd probably will work together. Out of out of thin air, this alliance formed and it was just like, what are you thinking? I was sitting there before the age. On Thursday, and I was like the one person I don't want to win is this everyone else? It could be interesting we. Not. Signs signs were being leg picked up. To people who AH, back whether it was Thursday. The day four I don't quite remember blood. He was talking to cody about. Is jumping around a little bit maybe. Connecting and reconnecting it was like all right. Sorry. So. To me. To me. This plan of Memphis's like we've heard that Memphis was an alternate and then he was called like shortly before. To me like this. Evidence that he did not have a lot of time to like talk to Dan. Beforehand. Is that there's no way Memphis pitches this idea to Dan, and Dan doesn't say what what are you talking about? No, way. Right. Exactly like there's no I don't even think he had a week to prep like maybe there was one conversation and from that conversation he got out get out Ian in. That's would. That's the only thing he's rolling with. I don't see any other game plan I don't see I've seen a lot of stuff on twitter just other people's opinion about the fact that Memphis is so self interested in like that's the type of game. He knows how to play does not know how to play in an alliance and that's so evident. Problem with like I. Don't necessarily dislike how he's playing one hundred percent. It's just like I. Don't know if he's going to go about it and try and force everybody to play in the safety swe or like not tell everybody what he's doing. That is a plan that is a way to play this game. What he doesn't have to tell everyone he's like me and explaining. His Game Big Brother to the other people playing big brother like you don't have to do that. Just do it. The Way Memphis's playing is like how Dan would be convincing Memphis to play. If game was still planning on taking Memphis to the final to. Myself. so He's h wage and he did the basically what he is doing what we're talking about aside from his crazy line structure is that he he wins the wage and he talks to some people one on one but he's like he's locked the door like to knock to come in. Sam B. I.. Twenty. Yeah and so. They have to knock the come in cody is you locking the door already? They have to knock to come in. There's people ringing doorbells and he's not even given a courtesy like can give us a few minutes where he's just. Sitting in there and do nothing about it. This is what I mean by like the lines are drawn for him. He's just being blatantly rude to like some of these people cut them off and he's not even interacting and it's so bizarre. It's week to this to you and only Dade what day three of his Hoa. Didn't take long. He may took him two seconds to go down there with the free rogue onto. Has, he never watched? I can't. I can't believe that and people are walking in and he's Like. So just wanted to check in and he's like. So I mean look when I I'm not sure on sure yet. So Waste it's. Let me out again but yes. I am yeah. Range. It is nursing repeating. Hiccup. Yeah, I don't know why. It is. It's like I don't know why. We just sit. I've never simplest before. No idea. Um. Hello. Hello. It's still doing. Okay. Man. I guess I would try a restart. Of the computer. Maybe try different headphones I. Don't know. I plus switch to mayor. Perfect. Okay. This thing I. Hope it was as funny. Everybody, else's. While respecting about. MEMPHIS yeah. I. I was just being Memphis laughing at your problems with no. Your free? All I was going to say is that this could be easily turned into a good segment on the show if they decide to taking. The exactly what they had with Memphis couple of days ago of I, here's an making alliances to hear some like shutting the door on a million people and not having any interest in talking to them so. Something with this if they want. Yeah. So In the meantime. Nicole is going to give her her pitch, the idea she walked in on those people. Cody. Franson Danny Tyler. She thinks that they're working together. She's finally GonNa tell somebody that's listening and that's Janelle and John John I was GonNa grab case and now they finally have something concrete that they can hold onto Oh, this is Danny is Iraq that standing it can't be trusted she's with them. This is the power structure we need to tell Memphis about this because. He needs to do something about it. They don't get to Memphis in time and we'll talk about that. But but now they know and in particular. Case or are fully on board the train of we need to get rid of these people need to dismantle their power structure because if we wait to long, it'll be too late to do anything about it. If only and case or read that Memphis isn't there sole ally in playing the game with other people I mean what a crazy thought be right right imagine other people in the House I. Don't know where they get that idea because they hardly ever talked game with is last week. It's like early morning early morning conversations Qaysar but that's like I don't know where they got this bright idea that Memphis would be on the outside of that I. Think they just think of him as a fellow like og. So maybe he wasn't pulled in like they weren't, but they need to get with it because this would have been such valuable information but the fact that they included him, it's just wash. All all week last week. They were going to Memphis we need to save kisha and he's like I duNNo. Like and this week they're like he's totally with. This this game feels like a fever dream. Right from the start yeah, it's been. So long without an all-star season every fan has done the sandbox like we've taken who would we want? How would it play out and like? You grabbed these people I almost want to hear reset I hate to say it like. Playing out on. Every sample I endured. Playing out in such a bizarre way. Bringing the coaches. Here's dude. I don't know. I feel like it's what you could imagine though because there every single one is paranoid. I mean you had Kisha last. Last week shooting wasn't really. All there and game. Wise. But if you have this many people paranoid, they're gonNA be crazy assumptions that are made crazy like conclusions that they come to that. They're gonNA roll with make the right conclusion and then not roll with that because then. There are other decision and it's so interesting too because they're not just paranoid about each other in the house. They're paranoid how they're portrayed. They're paranoid how they're perceived because those are separate now. You've got the twitter verse and how they react to certain things that happened in the house, and then you have the actual show how you're shown in the house. So there's so many factors that play into it and because they are all stars and they have been through it, I think that gives them like batting's to not trust their guy and I think that's probably why most of the decisions that should be being made are like being talked about, and then nothing's getting done about it. Yeah that's one of the most The big commonalities that they share that they've talked about is they all agree that just like Man. So brutal on twitter. Like eight like Ian Valley every single one of them. Regardless. Of how well liked they are as like Oh my God. Yeah sister. So let's Accept Dave. Thanks. She's the only one that's like specifically talking to twitter right now making sure the fans know exactly what she's thinking and. She's trying guys. Saw doing everything you. Don't turn on me. I, you know what you want. I'm doing my best year but. Not much. You can do I mean the the obvious. Problem here. That's kind of creating not allowing the fan favorites to work together is really just this danny engine l lack of trust I mean both of them seem to be feeling good about journal about on But. But, obviously, we've seen a lot from today with specifically Danny ainge now that they can't get on the same page whether or not. That's because of one specific person being Danny maybe you know. MIGHT BE BUT That's really I guess preventing them from being able to do that split altogether. Pat. They did show that interview or there was that interview the Danny did before she went into the house where she said she wants to be seen as the best female player ever played this game she knows Janelle is seen as the best female play this game. So no matter how much she likes Chanel in the house she's it's always in the back of her mind that she needs to be the one to get John L. out. So she's doing everything she can to pit other side against Chanel just because. In the bag mind, this is her alternate goal where the winds are not. Somewhat somewhere deep in the middle of nowhere. Maggie just raised her head and said he's right. So exactly this is. To say, I listened to a lot of podcasts with Herod with Rob, with Brett With Anybody Melissa. Not once in my life heard the phrase or the sentence Gina. Is the best brother female player of all time I. Don't think I've ever heard that when we are. Watch and she was at the top of the Legacy Watch shows no doubt about that. But. I don't know if I heard that sport right even now people don't say that and even though that's not a statement Daniel is thinking that Janelle is in competition you're one of the. And I'll play. It's just Danielle either is Nicole like goes down the line there so much animosity there and I think that that's probably one of the main contenders just knowing that you're in there with big names and in order to you know either raise your stock or maintain the stock that you had going in. He got to go against them. Yeah. Well, we'll see this is exactly the right podcast to talk about because we will see what this has done for Danny. PODCAST, they should be playing their game based around. Playing their. Around the Tuesday podcast. A problem. That's a good thing we had this fun. I guess but do they know about this? Like did they hear about this while they were in sequester I did I did reach out to them and I formed a secret massive pre-game Alliance based leagues you watch prior to the season. So and then Nicole told the producers that everyone was listening. So they didn't you know. So. The safety competition happens Memphis is not telling anybody anything so that he can get as many people to play in this competition as possible including a couple of his own allies from this usual suspects whatever they wanNA call it group that he created as he wants at least two of them to play. Cody and Christmas. Do end up playing. And Christmas ends up winning the competition and then goes ahead and saves in from. Nomination Christmas. Sort of seize the house as this Memphis group versus. Janelle. Bailey Devan. Qaysar Nicole like those people and then people like Ian and Kevin are in the middle. And this is not a great read, but it's not as terrible as most. But she sees this opportunity to kind of win favor with somebody in the middle, and of course, it was Nicole Frenzel that really encourage this view of the house and this view of Ian in Christmas that that ultimately got her to make that call. So Ian is now. Safe Dallas. So funny I'm. Listen I wouldn't have casted Christmas, either for all sides, I know so many people were upset about that I I think other than she talks a lot about herself if she didn't do that so much like she's in a great spot, but the thing about her is and she's falling back into old ways with us. She's a champion for the cause and if you can convince her that, it's like this is good for. The group, this is good for us. Then she's GonNa do you ask and honestly I do think that this is something you can take your hat to Nicole F for like or not. It's kind of insane that Christmas shares in feeds come back and we're like what the hell happened. Out of this player. I. Really was on an emotional rollercoaster in only a couple of minutes because I see that Christmas wins the safety sweet I'm like Oh. My God you gotTa be kidding me then I'm like and she saves E. N.. Oh okay. Perfect Christmas. Thank you. Instill doesn't have as costume. It's very annoying. Show confused because then why did go down for like an hour? VIG. Down down. The. Costs. Like digging through. Its in twenty four hours since that addition over twenty four hours to know her star genetic pissed Nicole APPS pissed now? star-crossed. Morning after. The rest. To carry, her, Weenie twenty, four seven. Seconds Watch Mad Nicole gets. That's not wearing as much. Except she's not going to say away. We'll have it on the entire time. Have we heard the term punishment costume before or something like that? Because I heard Danny say that in regards to in what he was going to be wearing instead of punishment she called the dysfunctional now. I don't know if that's a phrase we had. Heard that heard it from Danny in regard I know if that's an Ian original or what but obviously ended the US maybe she's getting ahead of the merge after the show. I don't like furnish man I don't like it either sounds gross for. thinking. To sounds nothing I don't go. Don't go down. Deidra don their sizes I'm thinking of license sound of some kind of food or something I don't know like A. Bad type of yogurt. Feels like? You're mispronouncing. Has, an F.. Well. Either way into it. Okay. So Memphis now needs to choose some nominees. He has not told anyone really what he's planning on doing prior to this competition. He didn't tell cody, the most amount of information which was that he's basically deciding between two different sets of nominations either Nicole Anthony David as like an easy option or you can take bigger shot and put up something somebody somebody like Bailey or and Devan. So. We're now looking at like things probably haven't changed all that much. Because none of those people are safe from the safety competition, but he still refuses to tell anybody where his head is at. He's only saying, yeah, I've got like four or five people. Could put. Up. Here. So you know. Because it's such a hard decision I mean. He's been talking about. He him and cody had been game planning for days. At this point you know about what's the next step? I don't think he had expected. MEMPHIS. I don't think. MEMPHIS. Himself expected to be the next age I mean who really does but I don't think he was never one season. He was he wasn't gunning for he hadn't won before I. Don't think he expected the power to fall into his lap. So that's why when people were talking about yet he's going to put up eating and Bailey. Before he probably hadn't put a like amount of fun into it because he didn't expect it actually happen. So obviously when it all started out with a different set nominations. Not what people have expected or what we heard. Yeah, my my theory on this is that. Like I, feel like Memphis throwing out a lotta names. I'm willing to put up all of these people but I don't think he was ever really willing to put up all of those people. I don't believe that he was actually going to put up Bailey I was gonna ask do we think he was actually going to do that because I don. I don't think he was going to because he had a good relationship with Bailey and he tried to bring her into this alliance and then it was vetoed. And he has stopped talking to her as much. But Bailey notably is the only person. He makes a separate deal with. Outside of his alliance prior to the nominations. He talks about targeting Ian but then when it comes to talking about even before and was safe, he was like he wasn't talking about really doing anything with the end. And he also mentioned journal Multiple Times I could totally do jail. Yeah. Absolutely back door June now. But now now that it's like people are really starting to push for he's completely shutting it down like is not even close to an option which makes me really feel like he was throwing that out there to be like, oh, I'm totally willing to, but he never actually was willing to I don't know. Yet. So hard to read him because usually an H. O. H. when they're alliances in the room. Like saying exactly what they're gonNA do and more often than not they're not just trying to fill them out or leave them out of the loop, and so I'm like, I, don't even know what to believe even. If Danny's in the room or even if Christmas is in the. IDEA. And I had to go just by actions. Now, we're going to take a quick break for our sponsors and we'll be right back support for this podcast come from cdw In del technologies. At CDW, we get migrating your agency to a hyper converged infrastructure is challenging. Don't want to do it. Slowdown friend. 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So he decides to nominate David and Nicole Anthony and apparently pretty mean about it He said something along the lines of like David welcome to the grownups table like. This you're you wanted to experience the full big brother. Here it is. And I think he's also like a little bit mean to Nicole. Anthony. But I don't know exactly what he said to her. Well, he was mean to them right off the bat they came up to talk to him I think it was Ian and Nicole a but I think he also scoffed, David. They. came up to see where's head was at and he just didn't even he gave them like less than a sentence that yeah and also when he was choosing his replacement a have not. He said something similar like David you gotTa earn your stripes. You're. Call Rookie as a word that I think was thrown around Very. Challenge I will say this. David the whole time they're going around and talking to you know doing the power talking about seasons and stuff David has been hamming up the fact that Oh, I don't know big brother I I don't like dude you're on an all star season like I wasn't a champion forgetting David out but also like. Like if you're there be there for a reason, don't want everybody look at you and say you don't belong is that is how you put up. That's how you get put on slop and they say the things they say. Welcome, to the kids table you wanted to play big brother don't be shot the now playing. Yeah, BUT MEMPHIS is obviously like way too harsh I. Agree. Yeah when when came back, every single person has allies that people that were working with him everybody at the same time with all different feeds say, wow, that was harsh. Wow, that was unnecessary. That was you know it's like the kind of thing where the first week that we were watching feeds it was so common it seemingly like everybody was on chill because nothing like that had happened yet there was no event where you know usually have the bad players who pose a little bit of a wave. We finally had somebody kind of throw out a comment or say whatever he was saying that caused everybody in house to be like them what the hell's this guy is probably like what did Jamie do to him and not a single person ever came up with one thing that David did to Memphis besides being in the house within like he hasn't done a thing to to cause memphis any grief, but memphis was a jerk to. Him twice within twenty four hours for putting him in as a have not, and then I, think you also called them like a kid or recalled employees or something like that. There's no need for that. No it was like you're not friends. You're not at that level where it's like come on, get sorry you're up at like it was It was taken exactly how Memphis seem to have meant it and nobody was appreciative of it. I do believe. As far as I'm aware, the kid portion of it was the grownups. Table kind of. Thing but I to your point Dallas. I think David also recognized that he was like I shouldn't have been playing this up so much. The morning after the have not thing. And he was like. I'm I've put myself in the spot where I played it up too much, and now people are like seeing me like this total rookie that doesn't belong here. And he kind of feels like. He was kind of talking about like it feels like it's too late to pull it back in I don't necessarily agree with that but. I don't know what do think. I definitely don't think it's too late because people can learn about other seasons while in a house he could. There's so many ways to work around it. He can say he knows something because you know he heard about Abraham in another conversation I think there's a way to make it seem like he is coming into his own and starting to learn the game and pick up on conversations because he's never watched this a full season to know that you know not. Everybody respects that Kinda game not everybody respects the fact that all I'm we are in think Oh, I'm just gonNA take them to the end 'cause they don't know anything it's like, no, you have people like Memphis, who take it to the other extreme and think that you don't deserve to be there because you don't know anything because Memphis doesn't think you deserve to be an all-star and so yeah memphis comments and the way he's behaving is so just out of line. And I think that you know David also wasn't prepared for someone to have that extreme. Reminds me actually of big brother candidates seven when. A decent decent chunk of fans in house at least the people in power were and Damian. was like somebody who had totally fit in with that crew by they kind of like another show. Yeah. So. So yes, after the nominations David was. Visibly upset acting upset at the very least he had tears. And he was like man that was just so harshly the way said it just felt. It felt like wrong. And people were very sympathetic to David and they were very upset with Memphis. and. David had tears but then occasionally you'd look at the cameras and be like. Hey. Making you. That's the kind of thing where I feel like anytime that people do that fake crying thing it's always I feel like it's got to always be rooted in some kind of like like that feeling was a little bit usually. You're tapping into something and I know that he cried in that interview last year and the obviously hold tear out and she was super impressed. But level of emotion that he was pulling out a yesterday like he was definitely feeling that as well. Even if he was just using that kind of percussive narrative of him, being more upset to get people on the side, I really need to see the ours that nobody was thinking. Too I. Cannot wait to see those Dr's because even though he was crying and yeah, we think he was putting on an act. He was actually angry like that feeling of anger was. A. You remind me of a conversation he had with cody. Cody, was talking about acting cody. Had, a brief stint as an actor. and. Studied a little bit and they were talking about like method acting versus non method acting and David was talking about. Breaking bad and how Like in breaking bad. Walter White like the actor that plays welterweight was like. Tapping into like how he felt about his daughter in this one scene is method acting and. Now, I'm thinking like Oh is that what David's doing when he's tap tapping into something get those tears. He so interested. Had A lotta time to watch shows and sequester. Davis is playing this up for sympathy. We don't know exactly how upset he really was. I wouldn't be surprised if he was because he doesn't get upset when somebody is mean to you. So, Memphis is now like what is this guy doing his entire alliances like what is this guy doing but it did have I think a slightly unintended effect of making the entire House feel like. MEMPHIS target is David when in reality Nicole Anthony is the person that will go home. If the nomination stay the same and has also further obscured the lines of where Memphis stands with the rest of the house because now you have Janelle, Qaysar upstairs laughing with Memphis and supporting him after the nomination ceremony and everyone else downstairs comforting David and it really makes it look like journal and case there are up there in power with Memphis on his side and it's really going to complicate things for the poor minds of Nicole Anthony and Kevin. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's not a group Those three as much as John wants them to be. I'm sure because she's trying to pull memphis in. She has thought ever since last week that Memphis is somebody that was up for the taking and Angelique could be on her side. She met Memphis runs back to his crew with pretty much everything the two of them tell him. You know whether it's like something simple or not I mean the what last night she was going all in about the whole Nicole Frenzel was, and that's already made its way all our all around the house back Danny, which has made its open sites else that wasn't really you know that that three is not actually a thing as much as memphis is keeping them off the this week and I don't think even if there was a replacement needed that it would be one of them I think you'd probably go the cabinet and I think that's what most are assuming at this time. So he's keeping the two of them off block and. Fish but it still feels like he has absolutely no intentions of January Yes, the France thing is that when after the nomination ceremony? Case engineer went upstairs to talk to Memphis, and this is when they told him about their theory about Cody Tyler Frenzel Danny are working together. Of course, those are four of the six of Memphis is alliance members. So he's just sitting there like, Oh, you caught onto my alliance but not me. And this is very bad news for cancer and and so they're pitching to him like you got to get rid of these people. We should back door Nicole Frenzel she's the head of the snake she's got in she's. They have in their the Enzo is in with them like this is a big group of people and they're very powerful and if we don't do something about it or things are going to go bad and so memphis is gonNA take that information until cody. They're onto us. But Listen to this. Nicole. In cody is like dude, I don't care if they think to call is the brains of the operation they just said four of our names they're going to put us up we need to back door generic. Acer. In Memphis is like I mean I. Don't know if we need to do that and I mean. And nobody would really need to do that to. We're just this is going to. Convince them together. And look at every single one of his allies all day today, not a single one of them are feeling good about him. Even cody is getting some frustration theory there. So obviously, you know his not willing to be transparent with his alliance from the Second Hoa, started by not telling Dan the especially, it was one that took his hard. I mean Christmas couldn't care less Nicole seems to be happy she saved but not telling them what you're thinking, and then also not you know like there's no, he's not giving an obvious reason as to why he's not putting. Up A, but he's still telling them the information that you case. At onto you guys. So he's not really putting the pieces together that you're worrying people and then not giving them a reason as to why you the one with the power the one person in the house second do something about this is not doing anything about this. So I don't know where he's going to end up next week with all of these people that are. Still, working with him, but they're not getting anything pregnancy because it's such a strange age. Yeah and based on the potential nominees. In case the videos us this could if Outeh two point zero, the alliance all. I, mean. This isn't even for this is this is foul and tae working against each other and also within those two groups not trusting. Insane like unreal for one I don't know when the last time h made the NAM's in their alliance. There's they're solid alliance. Its name had no idea who was going on the block, but there memphis is not realize he's adding fuel to that fire of his alliance thinking that he has a tr-, a trio going with Jon Allen Qaysar he is. Just completely oblivious because he's on his high horse right now he's King of the world. You want everyone to know it because he wants to be all hypocritical and every conversation he has even with his alliance, and so it's only putting him in a worse position coming out of this h I'd say cody came out of his age it and pretty good. I guess. He people have good opinions about him when he came out of his and I feel like who's GonNa be on Memphis aside after H he's gotta be banking on winning the safety sweet next week because. I can't see any other reason that he would be talking and acting like this entire week. I think he feels like he's good with people. I mean. If his his allies of his six if anybody in that group Wednesday next week I don't think take a shot at him even though they're frustrated rhythm I, don't think those people do. But if whoever stays from the block this week David or Nicole whoever it is, if if anybody else in the House Bailey Devan win in h next week as some of them are considering that they want to do. That, five is not going to be upset if they see Memphis on the walking out, they can easily replace him cody I don't know because the two of them obviously have that fun that they were talking last week. But everybody else Danny and tyler especially are not going to avenue issue cutting Memphis and finding somebody else to be the new sexy. Well, Aria Crispin. Last night was writing list of vengeance and Tyler is definitely coming for Memphis. Head. At some when the time is right he says so. Tyler at the very least is holding a vendetta here and he tweeted out as well because they're allowed to tweet in the diary room sometimes. That Memphis was the last person he wanted to be an alliance with in the first place. He's happy. He's in lines with him now because he's in power but but I don't think the Tyler liked Memphis from. And now, he really doesn't like Memphis because he really does like David and he really doesn't like how Memphis Created David Wright. I. Heat Tyler said, keep your friends close keep your enemies closer. He was livid about how Memphis handle the situation with David and how nominated him and I really liked tyler last night on the Aegis how he was taking up for David and I feel like we didn't really see this side of tyler of just having to fake the funk because he likes level six and he liked the people are alliance in so you're like okay well, he's he's GonNa be good to who is loyal to but I I I like this in Tyler and I think it's showing a different side of his game. Some I'm looking forward to seeing how he handles that if he ever does take the shot. So. On top of all of this, the Nicole and Janelle and Qaysar Sir John Qaiser have been trying to protect in call. They would like to keep her if nominations remain the same there as we talked about trying to get a different backdoor. So well, Codeine Company are working to get journal or case a back backdoor Jon Allen case are trying to get Nicole. Frenzel. Back doored. And it's all in hopes of potentially saving. Nicole. Anthony. and. In the meantime. Kevin is getting inclined and he's head about how evil Jon Allen case are. He's a Predator, is a Predator in snack. KILOS BECAUSE THEY'RE UP THERE LAUGHING WITH MEMPHIS THEY'RE CLEVELAND. With him. Is She's she just went up there with a glass of wine, a bottle of wine and they're up there for two hours laughing and gallivanting. So clearly, they set you up Nicole and it's getting to her she's like Oh my God it's happening right into Ed and she's the one that really feels like donell in case or put the most stocking to as well in their games. So it's Just missing buyer after misfire, it's the most frustrating relationship to watch. Two of them or at least Nicole is becoming the most frustrating person. Just because she doesn't have many people in the house and the one person that is like. That she's she's in love with she loves when. Out with her and spend time with her, and then the second Gina leaves the room whether it's a Nicole saying something yourself having filling your head with something and it's just. So, much anti-personnel energy coming out of these two and it's like, where else do you WanNa go you wanna go running into the six personal lines that's going to close the door on you or you want to try working with other she ain't. What's Gino's just evil? It's just they can't even look at it for two seconds without feeling disgusted. And turned yeah. It's beyond frustrating because like someone needs to give Kevin some glasses because he has such a bad read of the situation and it just I like want to pull my hair out thinking about the fact that canals being genuine. She does Nicole ass out she does want to save Nicole Anthony like she really does. That she's being honest and Kevin's like, no. Like, Dallas. Janetta Predator Nicole Anthony is eating that up girl. Do, you not think about all the conversations you pathogen lax whispering to you. She got burned very hard in her season and I think she just is still healing and she's really terrified tapping again and then hearing those laugh and having that validation even if it's like all from Kevin also feeling that way I mean I understand it's hard to watch. It's really hard to watch. Yeah. So let me let me give you an example of something that happened today. So Bailey actually gave keister and Janelle heads up Kevin's running around saying you guys are working with Memphis and you're dangerous. And so now case Janelle no I mean they didn't like Kevin when they know that they have to watch out for Kevin and so John L. went to Nicole Anthony was like, hey. Kevin ever talk about me. Now no no I can remember you're were talking about like mad way. No. You sure no I haven't heard it. and. So Nicole repeats. This conversation goes and tells Kevin about it and she's like Janelle Janelle Chemo she's like. Kevin talking about me. Talking about me like this. This is the voice that she's putting onto voice journal. Are you sure. I was like, no. I don't know. Okay. Okay. And she's talking about how she heard Journal in. Case or saying they're trying to get Nicole Frenzel on the block but don't tell anybody and Kevin is trying to like this in his mind like how does that make tells working with? Working with Memphis and they put Nicole on the maybe they're testing you to see if the information will get out. It's a fake. Planting a plan. Is this this the last minute lie but like less last minute like what's going on here? I remember when I thought Kevin Campbell was coming back. Big Brother. All Stars. I don't know who this guy is. Not The gamble from big brother eleven. It's certainly not. I would love to see show up and the game at some point but this guy is playing with Nicole right now, the two of them together actively freshman because these are two fan favorites I mean I was really excited to see both of them back and get another shot, but the two of them the way they feed off each other. It's just it's good. Genuinely frustrating to whether you're watching a reading the like come on you too. Yes. It just when they have conversations on like someone with some sense, please lock into that room right now because and I swear I just have to change the when they're having conversations because it's so frustrating that they're not thinking logically one bit like, let me take a step back. Does this make sense like is Janelle after me when she's actually brought me information and we're aligned with wanting to call f out like she she spent so much time with me. Know that that doesn't make sense is it's so frustrating. It makes a little more sense from Kevin from Nicole I can't. Just. It's hard. I can't watch it. It's it's really indigene factor because obviously look at everybody else that's. On the other side of the House, they're all pretty well-connected and they all you know even if not, all of them are hundred percent trusting of each other, they know that they're good. People to vent about each other. But the other side of the house is not naked and the fact journal is a big player on that other side not a single person trust her enough besides Bailey enough to be like I can actually believe a single thing. She's telling me. So they're they're having an impossible time connecting from anybody not in the six to create anything gets. The, most frustrating part about it. It's not just the fact that Kevin is bad reason. It's like you don't have anything good with anyone else. So just because you're you know you're friends with Dave on billion maybe. David here and there whatever. But you don't have anything solidified with anybody else and you're just shutting the door genucel without even having concrete like troy whatever that you know that she's actually doing something it's just all your gut feelings and this and that just anybody in the bud. So. Really. The final story of the week so far is that cody's structure alliance structure power structure is. Wavering. That He, they do not have complete control over what's going on because Memphis is such a wild card and they're kind of freaking out a little bit because John Allen case clocked four of them and an that puts them at risk and so. They're kind of running around. Cody is a little bit worried because he sees Bailey and Dave on talking with John Lot and he should be a little bit worried because Bailey is talking with John Lott and telling her a lot of things. Dave on did talk to Bailey last night about how she's like you think cody's trying to play the Derek game. There's something shady going on with cody. So. That's that's bad for him and on the other side of things you have Danny going to Janelle as well and Danny has now proposed that they work together her and Janelle Hole in Col- Frenzel in keister maybe pull in somebody like cody and I'm cool with Tyler and She thinks that this is like, okay. Grey move we're going to cover ourselves with Nicole with with journal. In case they're not gonNA come after us. Next week. But from point of view, she's like what an idiot. She just confirmed her whole alliance to me and she's running around telling everybody about it. So that could be interesting and there's a lot of different directions that this week could go especially because that whole group is trying to push Memphis so hard to get rid of. Her and Memphis doesn't want to do it, and so there are a lot of there's a lot of tinder lying around that could easily go aflame. At any point this week. Yeah Danny in Memphis had that one conversation last night where Danny was really pushing for generic case here in Memphis is like we're talking about week three she's like well now we could be talking about right now we could win the veto and put one of them up and MRS like no, he's just laughing every single thing she says, and it's just like Memphis how do you think this is building report? How do you not see that you sound so condescending in that Dan Danny just GonNa be like, okay you're right. We should think about feature weeks now. So right now they are. Haven't even started the veto yet, but it will probably start soon. But? Ian Tyler and Nicole Frenzel will be joining. Nicole Anthony David and Memphis in the veto competition tyler really would love to win this take David Down I think that if he has the option, he'll throw it to David so that he doesn't have to do it but he definitely wants David off the block. He doesn't want to have to stick his neck out any more for him than he already has and he will is the thing where he's not like he won't do it. He doesn't want to have to do it because David is off the block would be his preference I. Think. And he doesn't want to risk David potentially leaving he really wants David there. And he really wants to stick it to Memphis and he really wants to backdoor either journal case because they can't keep his name out of their mouth. So. I imagine that that is going in that direction, and of course, you have Nicole Anthony who will use it on herself. Frenzel I believe will choose not to use it. If. MEMPHIS doesn't want her to, but she will push hard to try and get him to if Ian One I'm willing to bet that Frenzel and all of Cody's company. Pushes hard to try to get him to use it against Memphis as wishes and. Interest in that. I. Don't even end does what he wants. I guess now we have back door generic acer. I don't really think would do it. I honestly don't know if he would be that against it because he's isn't. In in a named alliance with those two or maybe they didn't officially named the three of them were pretty together last week. Nicole Anthony. Yeah, actually, no that was having. David. I mean, still there is a connection with Ian Nicole that you know could eventually do something but then again, Kevin, going on the block wouldn't really change much so. If he wants David out he might as well just the same in that mess mess things up especially on a week that things are so easy for him. But I really do think that Tyler is specifically is somebody who? I don't think it would be a bad thing for him to win here. I know he's trying to maintain a low profile and like if you can avoid winning lead David win on his own that'd be great. But if the only option is him winning versus. A MEMPHIS or coal or somebody else I think should win it i. think that there are a lot of people in the house that are feeling sympathy towards David Right. Now, because of how Memphis treated him and a lot of people are against Memphis at the moment as well because of how he's been acting. So I don't think people would feel any type of way towards Tyler for deciding to take David off the block and letting him have another chance of playing the game regardless of food. Tyler is like you know wanting to get back up there. I think he can just make it all about David I think the pro-, the problem, I. Personally is that like a it links him to David a lot. Using the veto on someone else especially when the doesn't want you to do it. Like, they might not even remember the details of Tyler and David's relationship. But like weeks from now, they will remember tyler saved David from the block like they must be close I also think they'll remember because coming out of the nominations you gotta remember how everybody felt too I. Don't think the House is really going to look at it. In, that weird of away if someone uses it on David. But I but I but here's the thing like I don't know if it's worth it for him to win Save David Make. That connection in people's minds. and. PISS. Off. MEMPHIS. Only four Kevin to go up Nicole Anthony. And get your. Tyler throws a veto we learn so. I don't think it should be number one plan by any means but like if it happens to be down to him in Memphis maybe and he really wants to consider having somebody else up on the block besides those two. I think at that point maybe he goes forward. But yeah, I do agree that a thought like his best move to. NGOs pretty pretty on brand for this alliance if Tyler did win it and take it off since Ian was one of the People Memphis said beforehand that he could see himself back during the have Christmas, who is just so excited to save Ian, and then she was flabbergasted when she when Memphis wasn't didn't bill the same it was just like you know what? What went into that decision about famous Ian. All right let's talk about the alliances in the house. We nothing to dramatically different from last week core from Tuesday. I've just named like all of Cody's people just like cody's crew cody's company whatever you WANNA call it. Either way you've got the liberation. It's got the route, which is coating Enzo. You've got the core for which Cody Enzo Danny in France all you've got connect for, which is cody Enzo Bailey and Devan and then you have the usual suspects, which is cody Memphis Franceville, Tyler Danny and Christmas. And so it's really that collection of its those six. Bailey Yvonne and Enzo making a total of nine people who are within this overall structure of power with Memphis being the furthest on the outs. And DEVAN, Bailey, probably being in the next section, maybe a Christmas Christmas would be after at Memphis then Balian Devan. then. Like Tyler and then I do think that core four cody Enzo Danny Frenzel is the the most core. Name. Then, you also have the commission. Right but I, am the commissioner. Cody, in Memphis of course, that is. I mean that's that's like that's that card in cody pocket that he hasn't. He's like, Oh, I still have that there. So. That's that's the real power structure of the house right now. But like I said, there's some amount of like worry paranoia going on just today cody was talking to Enzo about like. Seeing Danny talking to Jerusalem, seeing a bay. Having, private conversations that keep walking in on them, and they're not talking about it afterward they're not telling us don't debriefing what was going on and Enzo, who is like the ultimate hype man like I'll keep the lines together bro. Don't worry about it. We got this covered you can't worry. We're going to ride this thing to the don't. Use Them. They're going to get them later. Don't worry. I mean. Sure. And I live in I'm having so much fun watching him. And this is unrelated but We. were, GonNa talk about do we? We still feel like Nicole would be the person likely to go hold on the same, right? Yes. It says very unlikely that David would go home at this point. I just I right before we got on I. Heard Enzo talking to Nicole about like don't worry. We would be in your corner implying him in cody with vote. This is the same zone was pissed at because he'd never gave her the heads. Yeah I know I was I was really briefing I didn't. Actually pay attention but I was like something going on there that New York New Jersey connection is. So. Also, the plan is that if they are able to follow through the back door that they're going to pull Nicole Anthony in so it does behoove them to act like they were on her side even before the veto is used. So that. When the was used as Dido is used, they can be like, yes, we did it. We saved you like we wanted always. And you definitely weren't going to be voted out by. If, you stayed on the blog. Don't worry about that. So that's that power structure. Then you have the old school alliance, Janelle Qaysar and technically Memphis maybe, and at least in case engine els is right. And then really you want to go full case or engine als is include Nicole Anthony Include Bailey include devan and all of a sudden you've got a real alliance here. If, they can string together and actually do something then sure but they can't get out of their own way. They're not they're not doing. Great. He's still got million club friendly in there's still working working together pretty well. You've got. Day Devan Bailey still working very well together. There was a little brief moment of worry where Danny told devan about. The fact that Yes Bailey was pre gaming with donell and that worried Devan I think genuinely like Oh my God. I've said so much about it all to to Bailey, and then they later had a conversation where she was like you're right like they are working together. But then she had a conversation with Bailey and it seemed like they cleared it up a little bit. So I don't think there's anything to. Sketchy here. But but that was like a moment of panic. They are also kind of working with David they don't really tell him anything but I think they're looking out for him as much as possible and I think he's looking for them as much as possible. And then you have. Tyler and Christmas final to David and. David and Christmas Tyler and David. Final Two could you imagine a David and Christmas Pendleton? Really. Really Love and. That's mostly the the where the alliance stand in the house. Now. Like cody really is at the center of his whole structure but tyler does have a couple of sleeper agents in there. He's got Christmas they're protecting David. And through David he is connected to Dave. Bailey ozone connections today von and Bailey not as strong as code but they are starting to look at cody. So there is a lot of play in this whole thing and I think a lot of a lot of different ways. This can go Asia. Yeah for sure and I think that. We're seeing these like the biggest alliance being at six I think there's still room and they're still some some trust being thrown around where there could be a bigger alliance not bigger than six. But like a more solid alliance, let's say in case there were to pick up you know Bailey and divine and then Danny. Maybe trust them and I. think There's Still Room, for some movement to happens because there's so much overlap. So that's what I'm really trying to see like where the cracks are who truly trust other person with like with Dave and Bailey Situation I was so glad they lon approach Bailey about that rather than just saying okay, I'm GonNa take note of that and I'm going to take it back and I'm. Telling her less and less I was like, Yes Bailey Munich. Avon. Yes. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Alright. So let's talk about the Legacy Watch. Let's get into this How have these players been faring? So if you're watching along on the video and you can see up here, this is the current state of the legacy wash and actually did not change the. Title of the top one because I did it in the survey but that's So this is the legacy watch. This is where it stands as of the preseason. And we're going to go through each player talk about where they stand now according to the audience after seeing the first week or so of the feeds and the show. and. I also wanted to join and talk in general about like how are they doing this season in comparison to their previous season to this point like playing better or are they playing worse? So. Let's get into it. We'll start at the bottom. So sorry. Undoing where she is why Did you watch the last one? So. What is she doing there and why is Damon Sell? Well let's see if anything's changed. Let's see if anything's changed. Last week at the very bottom in the bottom tier was Christmas. This week Christmas is no longer in the bottom tier she has gone up into the low tier so. Is Christmas Christmas now in the low to you're actually even above David. So she has moved up a decent decent amount like nothing major major, but definitely enough to jump into a higher tier people are not as down on Christmas as they used to be although she still is in the low tier. She's not in the bottom tier I have to say I expected this. We remembered Christmas at her worst at giving away the win in the final three. Polls minion. All of that. We're now seeing Christmas at her peak Early in the game, she is physically fit. She is winning competitions she's saving millions. She's doing all the things that. Anybody could ask her. Considering what she has to give how do you feel about this Dallas. I mean, naturally yeah. I wouldn't put her in volunteer especially after winning such an early competition in the. In the season I not particularly low on Christmas like I said what I have casted her immediately burn all star. No but I think she has nowhere to go but up so I think naturally yeah. Makes Sense and I think that will continue to happen. Do we think she's playing better or worse than her previous. Shing obviously. He's played an entire season last season. But I. Personally, I feel like she's playing around the same. Like I don't think I've seen a major change from her. I definitely agree low middle middle of the low tier is spot on Christmas because she still has a team mentality and you're seeing that in these conversations where she's thinking the six, that's her team, and that's who she's playing an interest four, and so that's why Memphis is. Behavior is so bizarre to her because she's like you know we should all be making this decision. We're the ones. It's basically like we're h this week because he's in power and she has A. Team. Italty. In her season, and so I think that you know if we were seeing her navigate a little bit better maybe building on these social relationships. To build and turning into like gameplay then maybe she can work her way up but yeah, she's find the same. Yes she's she's playing pretty similar. I would agree she's obviously just like with better players. So that's kind of making her I think association seem a little bit better. I have a weird comparison to make starting A. Survivor fan in the chat or whatever. Kind of getting like Danny Danny de Lorenzo Vibes from her where it's like kind of along the lines like why is this person here? She's linked up with some of the power female players on her side but kind of like not really you know somebody who's going to probably make a legacy in this game and I feel like she's GonNa stay exactly where she is. So yearly bounce to or so you're saying in some points, memphis is going to raise a fit and say, no, she has to go. She Christmas has to go was the Memphis in this. Russell. Okay. Danny into go. Danny I think of the popcorn the reward. And Sorry. A job so After Christmas, we had David and this week David has dropped from the low tear into the bottom tier. People not pleased. Not pleased with what they're seeing from him now I will say I think that. I think that being in an all star season is not helping his legacy. I think David in a new player season acting the way he is. He would not be in here especially after the crying and the not. So it's fake crying like even if he was playing until that point, he was born until that point I think that alone in a new player season gets at least low tier. But when he's in a cast of all stars and we're really hoping for like people some real fire under them I can see why. Now, that we're seeing David, they've put him into this bottom tier Asia. Yeah, I totally agree with that. I was like he better go down because that's where I see him as well. He is not doing himself any favors by not being proactive he's very reactive in terms of talking game like I have not seen David actively go up to someone and try to initiate a conversation to align with 'em or to see what they can do, and that's because of this this I guess. This guys that he is just completely oblivious to this game, he doesn't know how veto works. You know he got out the first time so he doesn't know anything. So therefore, he he's not even able to turn his game on and do what we think he would should do, which is an form, these relationships and not just walk around and be social, and so he's not doing that he's not because he can't act like nails a game he's doing nothing which means he's playing no games. So bottom tier for sure but I just I hope something changes if he does end up saying but I just can't see him having the wherewithal to know like what he needs to change. Yes and in comparison to last time I think David is playing the game. He is. Being. So. So, above David last week was Bailey in the low tier. This Week Bailey has had a big jump up into the Middle Tier. In near the top of the Middle Tier in fact. Big Jump for Bailey, this makes a lot of sense to me. I think that she was low to begin with personally although again, this is legacy whatever you want to make it. But I think she really at the very least she left her mark on bb twenty. And I think she's really making mark here in big brother twenty two, I like what I'm seeing from Bailey. Matt how do you feel about this? I think that. We're trending in the right direction here. I think Bailey is remembered as somebody who stood out for sure be twenty going on to be on the challenges. She's definitely kept your name out there. People know who she is even if not like you know big raven even John every big brother Fan followed her over electron the challenge she's back here and she's not just you know the character that we knew her at in season. Twenty where we over remembered the bitchy remember her with. swaggie. So she was part of a showman's and all that stuff here. We're really seeing her kind of turned into a social social player where she is just in the middle of the House has connections on both sides I've been in beyond impressive Bailey since the start of the game and I got a little bit nervous this week when we thought she might be going. But it's not the case and she's still continues to have connections with just about everybody in the house. She's doing really well, and they think if she continues to be. As a player throughout the season as she is so far, I can easily see her kind of slipping into the. Like, towards the end of the upper tier I mean, if she goes on and wins definitely in the upper tier but I think this is definitely a good start. Yeah I feel like Bailey was I was things prior to the season's starting feel like people forgot how good Bailey was until she was bad. But even that said, I think her game is still step forward I think that she has improved on what was already pretty good and I really like what I'm seeing here in the season so far Dallas. Yeah I was excited to come back. She definitely seems confidence wise through the roof like a completely different player and I think that just understanding big brother and how other people play the game has helped her navigate this one a lot better. You know she's putting on a fake smile when she needs to she's having conversations she needs to and she's really insulated. She's cushioned. She's pretty much like we said, you know she has good relationships with almost everyone in the house. So I'm I'm pretty sold on Bailey? I think she's doing well and I don't think she's a pre jury I think she's going to go pretty far as I love twenty two, Bailey. Amazing as. You know how everyone's writing off case in general I think that there one key to where it's not all falling apart is Bailey. The fact that she's not giving up on their relationship with. Continue to be close to her doesn't matter what other people are saying, what on is telling her about you know hearing that paid his to now might be with Memphis like Bailey is continuing to plant roots in that relationship and it's GonNa pay dividends I even think you know I think Bailey has top tier potential because even last night she was saying like you know I miss home but look I'm I'm ready just. Play, I'm ready to winsome Hoa and make decisions we were so close you selling day we were so close to winning our when we could actually win and start making decisions rather than last week they're saying, yeah, we should stay where we are and not win any competitions. So I think we started seeing Bailey make moves that's really going to set her apart and we're going to start to creep up more and more. Sorry. Asia's talking her background has two people in specific Angela and Swaggie who were both on the season and I feel that has a lot to do with why Bailey and Taylor are being so well received by a lot of fans I think the two of them being able to play their own games not being tied down to a significant other in the house where you know when you're in a showman so whether You're not like you do tend to be a little more word boring. So when you're actually being able to like renfrew around house, play the game be social and. Do some good things like both of them are received. I think I really works in their favor. Yeah I literally just. Opened twitter and I'd. Rachel swindlers watching this podcast for she literally just tweeted out. Bailey was just a social on V twenty. Some of my deepest conversations with her maybe it wasn't shown as much but she's really good at the social aspect of the game. which like spot on originals, grapes. So. That's that's Bailey. Above Bailey last week was Enzo who was at the bottom of the Middle Tier. This week and so has. Gone Up. And just barely lands into the upper tier. So Enzo has moved up a tier I have to say that I mostly agree with this I. Think. So I think that I think middle tier was maybe a little bit low for Enzo to begin with. And I think that Enzo in the upper tier. Sense I think that he's really good at just bonding alliances together I think I keep saying the same thing about Enzo, which is like he's great at at just being a solid ally alliance member keeping things together keeping things secret keeping things running smoothly. Question will be does he have enough respect in the end to win the game to get to the to get to the end and to win the jury vote Dallas feel about listen I ended a lot. Liked him before like now ends as just fun. You can tell that people get along with them well. I feel like every time I watch a conversation with him on the feeds and stuff it's a lot of. No one knows no one knows like. I kept Middle Tier like maybe further core like his groups sure. He's great to have but as an individual player. Enzo. Maybe. Going for I. Don't see him winning. I. Don't Know How could get. And win a veto. But what about the legacy aspect of it though like the sort like you know it's clear. He's the same gang. Enzo, he's playing US Enzo he's talking about being a crown salesman. He's like he's entertaining the the life eaters I think that goes a long way. It truly does, but in terms of. Legacy. You know I think that he i. think he still deserves middle-tier until we see that he's able to capitalize on the alliances that he does have because we know loyal he continues he is he still known to be loyal guy like we're seeing that with cody but I just want WanNa see a little bit more to see how he can expand outside the four because even in the brigade, he was the one person who didn't have another person. So it's like I want to see him be able to not just stick the lions but be able to form like little elite allegiances here and there it's a benefit him and not just e the likable guy who's Loyal to his one alliance is anyone GonNa fall on the sword friends. Oh. No no no. was anyone in his season I think we know the answer to that too so so far it's it's been the same for me. So he win a comp though he did want to think that's an improvement. I mean and so I think I. Agree with both of you guys think he probably I think is in middle tier but the problem is that The top of the Middle Tier looking at this chart, which is kind of exactly where he is just very. Barely, barely landed in that upper tier very bottom of it. Just kinda worked his way around to the next line at the very end. So it's kind of around the exact spot that I guess. But just like looking at everybody else on the line with them like, yeah I don't know if that line is gonNA, stay like that but I think he probably doesn't. Doesn't make sense for him to be there but as far as game goes as well I agree with some of the Dallas to saying. At this moment anybody's falling on their sword for him I, this was like some kind of safety chain going around the Big Brother House I think he always going to land on there. I think he's always GonNa get saved by somebody else because he's in good with so many people but. There's GonNa be a lot more work this season to get all the way I think than he did last time. Right next. Up was last week Nicole Anthony who was just shy of the upper tier last week. And currently resides in the Middle Tier. Nicole Anthony this week has fallen to low tier. Just above. Christmas on the lower tier. Not. Surprising considering what she's been up to so far, and honestly if I'd said like, where is Nicole on this earth? If there wasn't a legacy which was just like a general sort of like, reputation. Watch, in the season twenty. Season twenty-one, she probably would have been pretty low at the start of that season two. It wasn't until later that she grew into this underdog status and really people started to love her. And so she is kind of back down here. But I think this is worse than she was before I thought she was actually playing too. Well, she was playing pretty well before in season twenty one. and. This season she is. Not Not doing great here math. Yeah I. Think I'm fine with where she is now. I can kind of see it argued either way from Middle Tier loads here she's obviously been a little it's a little disappointing to see how things played out for her with her she hasn't really brought it in the game play level. That is needed on the season like this. She doesn't have connections that are needed, which isn't. Fully, her fault I mean I'm sure she could pre-game of the she did But at the end of the day, she's just not really affair with a lot of these other names in the house. So having her on the same tier as Christmas little. Considering how much of a fan favorites she was in all that stuff last season but I'm starting to as the season's going on and we're seeing how her name is unfolding. It's like maybe there really isn't a whole lot to be super impressed by and if she ends up going out this week I think she'd probably stays here I mean I don't know yeah. And I think. It has to be pointed out that we're talking about this in the middle of Nicole. Anthony. Like just trashing Chanel on the feeds and that is going to tarnish your legacy ballas. Yeah I. Mean E- Can go ahead and just scroll through twitter. Even, watching the feeds and see how much journals in everyone's heads rent-free she should not be in. One of the only people that he's trying to work with head just as much. That's not something that should be happening and if it is. Obviously there's mistakes being made. Yeah I like Nicole Nicole way but. Motiur yeah. I think last time she played she had a cliff with her. To bounce ideas off of in the positive light I think right now she's got a Kevin and unfortunately it's fallen. The other way is she's bouncing ideas and it's negative and so instead of having that hope to keep going, it's like. You guys are keeping shutdown and so yeah low tier unfortunately for now. I think that's pretty apt. Ain't the only thing that can help right. This point is to actually trust Jon Allen Kay sir. Purchase a moment just just this week. It's like, what else do you have you? Don't you Kevin. WHO's on the block last week who someone can easily grow up again like you're you might have a situation where David wins veto and then. MEMPHIS throws up Kevin, and now what are you aligned to the only other person that's on the Blah like that's all you have like literally, you have nothing to lose then to actually trust Jon Allen case they're. Thinking back to last season where I had a whole lot of frustration that we talked about this in the preseason podcasts for Nicole at a whole lot of frustration towards Nicole and cliff during a specific portion of the game and kind of sensing a common theme here of this equation that's causing frustration. Seems to be fifty fifty Nicole Anthony every time. So I really really like her a lot person as somebody on the show. But yeah, it'd be interesting because I did you see somebody in the Chad say Kevin is dragging down for real? which is exactly what they said about cliff. There is one common element here. Offer, right. So next up was previously. Dave. Von who was just shy of the upper tier last week and this week she has in fact, moved up into the upper tier above Enzo A. It was a small bump, but it was a bump. It's interesting because I actually I've seen devan on the field so far and I've kind of been disappointed I've kind of been like. Not Great I don't love how much she trusts cody although the last night is promising. And if anything in my eyes like my image of Devan has gone a little bit down. But but my image of her was way higher than it started with this one. So I don't know how do you feel this one Asia. I think I can agree that bottom of the upper tiers fair. But I I don't know if I'm totally disappointed in her game. It is good for her that she is not trying to do the most like her words and so I think that's good because at least she's in good socially with a lot of people but I think where we might see you know her go down on this list or go up on this when she starts to have to make these decisions where let's say she's one of the deciding votes or you know she's making a plan to push someone to go home. I think right now she's riding the middle harder than we ought that she would. And that we have, we've seen her game in the past I think when she starts making some decisions, she'll start being in a better position and move up on this legacy watch. But right now she's not really having to. Yeah and I think again like like my expectations were so high and I think she's doing very well. Like. She is in the power structure she's not really a whole lot of danger anytime soon, she has a lot of people protecting her so. I in fact, I think she's probably playing the best she's ever played. This season. It's just the me personally I was expecting even even better. But it's not not by that much not that much and I'm very happy to at least in the upper tier here. I think that's very. Fair I think that they lose. Zalis, how do you feel about it? Again, Dave on, I was really high in her coming in. I think she's may be off as I feel. She's playing pretty sloppy. Compared to how I expected her to her reads have been off what was the situation you can correct me on this because I might have a wrong. But like the situation where she was telling generic. Like. The numbers like what was I feel like she's lying and for what like in this game you can you know lie when you have to Yeah I feel like she's kind of tripping over herself because she's doing. I think she is doing the most when she kind of doesn't need to. Here. Yeah. I forgot, and of course, the Internet was blowing up for that whole night when von. Unnecessarily going with Christmas going and. Nelson telling them like Oh Kisha has the votes if we vote this way or maybe she has the votes. It was it was definitely a lot and and I think that people were like war. What are you doing just because she? She's in a in a good she came in and a good place and she is in a good place. So just felt unnecessary just going to hurt her it's not gonNA help Randy. Yes. I Apologize did forget to set up where this is coming from I pulled the audience. On twitter earlier today, the audience is voting for all of these placements and. They're voting for the legacy of these players, which is a criteria that is entirely up to you. Most people look a lot at game play but reputation in history, and just how people perceive you as all comes into play in this. Yeah I if we're talking game play we. Know that's that's Tuesday is this is legacy and I feel like they should have started in that top tier with those other four people. I. Think that Devan is not a legend of the game because of her fantastic gameplay by any means, she was out second on her first season and she was the first member of the jury on the next one and she is still one of the people that we considered to be one of. The famous lots to come back she is one of the most entertaining people in the diary in the House. She is just beyond like she is modern big brother. She is just everything that people have been that the people want everybody loves Avon I don't care if she's not going to clean his but if this is about her legacy as big brother player character, whatever it is altogether I think she's up here and I don't know how. Far Down but I'm not the audience gets in there I guess I'm just not on the same page I don't care I. See him has she ever won this I'd wait like her legacy as a big brother personality is a way higher than where she is right now on that chart, we found out today on the feeds that. Christmas was contacted to be on all stars in late May. and Dave on contact being all stars in July? And I saw that as well. I, was like. She said that when she tweeted out like don't get your hopes up guys not on the season she really hadn't been called yet. It was two days later that she got the call. About maybe maybe they were just trying to make sure she wasn't going to be another season of the challenge. That's. Did they think is doing something else because I don't see any iteration of all stars without her like I do agree she's the face of modern brother. I mean the memes speak for themselves. I. See her twenty times from non big brother fans. She's just she's great entertainment and I think that's always going to be that way messier not. Alright. So last week above Dave van, we had Memphis. there. In the upper. He would he adjusts made the upper tiers just str- he was in he was in the end zone spot and the upper tier was memphis. This week he has dropped from the upper tier. down. down. Towing. Joe and. He is above Nicole Anthony in the low tier. MEMPHIS. BIG HITS TO MEMPHIS is legacy game wise personality wise. This is not looking good for Memphis Matt. Gameplay aside again, I really am focusing on the legacy his winning any fence over this season there between last week, and then how he's an active this week. You know legacy has a lot to do with my personal definition album making this is held. The fans perceive you in how you're seeing in overall terms of big brother and not many people are in. This is why you lost a lot of what I'm seeing. So this is why he got not a single vote and the way he's been playing the game. This week is just an approving to me that he along out here. Alongside Christmas I, I. Mean Nicola Salvador I think this sounds to me. Yeah his game plays been atrocious in these past couple of days as H. and I mean it says a lot for after every time. There's a decision everyone in the house right now is like going back and saying why why did admit is do that why is he talking like? That? is like for no one. Side, but Janelle who? Has No emotions she's like, Whoa, what was wrong with it but besides that like that's showing you that your behavior is doing something negative in the house and he doesn't even see it like there's no mirror in front of him to see how people are perceiving him in the house and so it's just like there is absolutely no way you're making it. Final to continuing to behave like this because no one's GonNa. Keep you safe. No one's going to want to vouch for you at all. Yeah this has been a bad year for. Legendary duos. The chill town and the renegades taking big hits. Amazon thing but the renegades. People are pretty mad as well. Not just that the guy allows the guy out of the House is bowl. Who Played The game for the people that are actually in the game the thing Andre. How do you feel about this? Dallas. Yeah I mean he could have been volunteer for me. This isn't how an all-star plays. The was isn't. It it's it's one thing look I like drama and Big Brother, who doesn't integrate for an episode it's great for the feeds as long as they don't cut them but. When it's worse and then. When it's just mean I just he's just being mean. And, it's not serving any purpose except for dropping him on this legacy to your list. So don't get it. I'm not a fair when he finds out that David was downstairs crying from Danny and I don't remember the exact wording that he said but basically saying I don't give a shit. Interestingly Journal. Earlier. Today was like get over it these these these like these new players they they're so. Her feelings hurt so easily. I don't think we're gonNA see genetic route. SO AFTER MEMPHIS ABOVE MEMPHIS was case last week. This Week Qaysar has. Risen has gone up. Top Tier. Landed at the bottom of the top tier he managed to squeeze in there. That makes me feel much better. Personally, I feel like Qaysar is one of the faces of the show with up there with Janelle and Devan and like. Give me like a Rachel Dan Will. All of those people are like faces the people that you remember when you think of big brother in think or at least I do I personally I case there might have been a little bit lost to the new school player big brother crowd I think a lot of players are. Things. A lot of viewers didn't know who case was coming into the season. And they knew that a lot of people were like loved Qaysar back who washed back in the day I. don't really get it and I saw case her on the season. And now I, get it and now he's in the top tier and this makes sense to me Major. Yeah and the Producers Love Him. He's always on the feeds like I feel like this is only like you said reminded people that you know how awesome case there is brought in these new people who didn't see the first few times to say, oh my gosh case a great guy, and it's like even though his game is not the prettiest and he's just you know wants to set fire to the house and he just he really wants to play the game. He's I mean the only person right now that he has undying loyalty to is Janelle because anyone else is already aligned with someone else a well, I was just caught tyler just staring at the camera felt like looking at. What are you saying about Pacer we want? Him Gone. Tyler on his name was Taylor driver. But yeah. So I think that this is only healthcare's cases legacy like we're always going to remember a case or even if he were to leave next week, I think he would still deserve to be in top tier from Allegra legacy perspective because like you said that you think of the person and I think that's where he deserves. My Gut reaction was was the same thing I was like, oh, I was just thinking like. I went to game play for some reason even though I just had everything today just said, I'm thinking about Pacers played but then the second tower started talking again. No, that's absolutely. Dave on somebody. That's a face of modern big rather acer is. Certainly. Up there as well for you know the old school season. So I think this makes sense as well also sounds. Last week just above Qaysar was cody cody. And this week cody. Days almost exactly the same almost no change. Almost, everybody has changed to some some amount moves in tier whatever until his point cody though remains about the same slight bump up. But beyond that not anything too major cody staying in the upper tier in. In his legacy. I think this makes sense I'm looking at cody. I think he's playing significantly not significantly a decent amount better than he played the first time and I think he played really well the first time. That said still early and missing Derek could really show eventually and I think we're already seeing this week. Things are not going super smoothly because you've got a wildcard in the h you know you have Devon is now H. O. H., right? Yeah I was GONNA say that earlier. Perfect comparison it really feels like it. So where's Derek and? he's nowhere to be found can cody handle this on his own. I don't know and we're GONNA find out. I'm curious to see. But. But as for now, the audience feels like cody is hanging onto his legacy. I, still feel like he has the potential to move up if he finds a lot of success in this season but. Given. Well, he's already doing and the fact that that didn't move him up at all I'm guessing that if he does poorly, we're going to see that they're going to. They're going to punish him for Asia. I think so too. I think that in terms of personality like we already know quote, he's a great guy. He's the favourite healthy your brother. But I in terms of making decisions in the game people already his legacy is losing to Derek in the final two and so what he's here to prove is that he has a knee. Derek. But you saw last week he had to make a decision whenever case are John L. are yeah case her and Janelle won the one safety he's just like Derek aren't you hear it so much easier if you're just talking to me or you were helping me make the decision and it's like you're not helping your case, you're not helping your legacy watched the legacy stock watch. Because it's proving the point that he just needs dared to make it primarily the game and it's not. Allowing him to stand as an individual our big brother memory. I'm GONNA reach into the season until we get the scene know how Derek ensures like towards the top of the kitchen of all that stuff like we're going to get that scene of cody at the very end of the hallway upstairs leaning out and talking reaching to Garrett personnel when he needs it the most and Rest assured that that is coming at some point but. Someone sometimes I. Wish there were they had low angle cameras that they could shoot like cody sitting in the kitchen just like looking up at Derek. That'd be fun. We will. See I still think. Go ahead of them, but as far as where he himself along a finding. Right. So above cody. Last. Week was Nicole Frenzel. This week Nicole. Frenzel. Also stays pretty much exactly. The same right there above cody on again, another small bump upwards, but it's very small. She's GonNa stay there on the upper tier above cody. This makes. Sense to me I think that if we had done this survey. Flake. Maybe a week ago maybe last if we had done like an early early early. Legacy Watch for only a couple of days last Saturday. Maybe this would have been dropping. By but I think that Frenzel has shown herself to be a pretty capable player especially over the last few days after she had her sort of emotional outburst against Janelle. She's been pretty stable since then she's been making some moves she's reeling in. Ian She's really in Christmas. She's put herself in a pretty decent spy. She does have people like John Allen case coming after her, but they're never gonNA get anywhere with that as of right now. And so. The the audience does respect Francis Game. Even if I don't think they like Kerr personality, all that much Dallas. Right there with them I agree a hundred percent I think Nicole's Frenzel will call her. She's playing her game. She's playing well the fact that she reeled Christmas in God. Christmas to thank you. It was in her best interest to save in I. think that that is a testament to you know she's playing the game. Some of these people you're watching on feeds and you're like, when are they gonNA, start playing and I feel like. Nicole. As been playing even to the point you know she she went right after to with the costumes something little but she's planting those seeds right? It's not bad to have an enemy especially when they can't really come after you. So as long as she well, she could potentially win the veto, but as long as she doesn't get back toward somehow I think. Yeah. I think this is a good place for her. Am I a fan of listening to her? Cry She's Tired No. and. This. Regardless of all that. I do think that she's one of the people I'm actually seeing play the game. Getting in that safety this week obviously that was all her Christmas never would have gone editor way to give in safety I tweeted like I not seem those to have a single conversation. So we saw the night before the competition on Nicole and Christmas doing a lot of bonding together there have this week they had their meeting with Memphis at the same time and just really seemed to be on the same page and then the next thing we know. Competition that Chris and gave a safety to Nicole's one of her number one, the allies in the house. So. Just by this past week alone she's definitely done enough to maintain her spot. But, given how fans are receiving her season in that can't expose myself from that very much but. I can easily see her dropping unless she like main chains like a very. Good game all along. I think the second that she slips up I. Think ever anybody you'll be really quick jaffer down. Exactly I think her influence on on the house in the decisions that are made she's going to have to keep having an impact there or else she's GonNa fall down because nothing else is helping her she was just crying just now no idea why. But it's just like. Every other day constantly thinking about Janelle. Denial is just want out because she's so annoying but like. Just just the social game. And I guess the the negativity that comes with all the crying and complaining about the little things like the costume that helps that does not help her at all. But then the fact that she has these influences the game she's showing us. She doesn't need a show me to have an impact on going to have to keep doing that to maintain the spot or even go higher. But yeah if she doesn't smoke. Yes. So above Nicole Frenzel last week was. Kevin. Campbell. Kevin Campbell who was six overall in the upper tier of the cast. In the Legacy Watch? Kevin Campbell, this week has fallen. He has fallen down. down. To low tier below memphis above Nicole Anthony in the low end years for Kevin Campbell. People are not pleased. This is the biggest fall from grace that we will see on the Legacy Watch. This week people are not pleased with Kevin Campbell Matt. I'm not ready for that. Big of a jump I said what I was saying earlier about heaven this season is not Kevin Campbell. This is not the one that I know this is not the big brother eleven player that people were waiting for a while to see if he would come back, people gave up hope that he would come back and now he's here obviously, things aren't going very well for him and he's not really in with the numbers. He's the game play is is really not there which for somebody who is specifically known for his gameplay is a big factor in his legacy I. think that I probably would've had him at Middle Tier, probably around where billiards. I think I would even have him above me at this point because you can't just forget the whole season that he played before like this was going Justin this season sure is in low cheer but when you this is legacy as a big brother player as a whole and I, feel like this is a little too far for him to abolish fair lots of part I mean I like when I look heaven and his game. If I do see big brother Eleven Kevin like this is pretty similar to what he did in my opinion. He. Trash talked the Fan. Favorites. On, the outside like he was, he was on the outs he trash talk the fan favorites. And he kind weasels his way to the end and. I mean. It's possible that he gets back doored this week. Sure. But if he doesn't I could see him getting pretty far in this game and weasling his way toward the end I don't think he'll be respected as he wasn't big brother eleven. I think he's playing against a much better competition this season and that's going to be part of his downfall but. But I actually feel like the one of the main differences here in my opinion with Kevin From Big Brother Eleven to twenty two is that. His competition is much tougher and his competition is much more likable. And that's that's a problem for him I think. Dallas. I think what Kevin Needs? is to just take a deep breath and relax for a second and remember who he is. Ena Boulevard confidence back he savvy he can read the house if you really tries and he can win Com to dude he almost won the veto if he if he didn't make the mistake eleven o'clock now we went out a completely different turn out to you. All Lee. Almost one the safety. Sweet. So, there you go. He he can do it. He just needs to relax. So down even the edit they're giving him he's like I don't know what's happening Wade. This is this isn't me and he he's right. So they. Take a deep breath. Relax play your game Because his game wasn't bad. Is Game was good. Got Him to the end just about so I think that's only needs. It's one thing to be wrong but to be loud and Ron. Exactly. He's just he's influencing how Nicole amply bills he's he's playing into well, he's not even purposefully playing into our insecurities, but he's bringing them out just because he's so adamant about the things he believes even though he has no proof at all. Like you said, if he just takes a setback, relaxes gain a competence, then he'll be able to. Get somewhere in the house right now I think he's almost I would say he's lower than Nicole Anthony. Just because he's he's the one coming up with these things that he's thinking goes. Yeah I mean I I mentioned this on the tournament. Kevin Campbell being allowed and wrong is very reminiscent of big brother conspiracy theory fan base right now. So. We go above above Kevin Campbell last week was Kisha. Smith. Oh, I can't look. Kisha. High in the upper tier in fact, she was at the top of the upper tier. Is Now a first boots on big brother. All Stars, and this is going to damage her legacy she is going to fall. down. To the Middle Tier. To the Middle Tier. Below Bailey in the middle here. She's Not Too, much farther and farther down to get to the low tier but she's hanging in there. She's hanging in there. She's landed in the middle? Tier. Now do we think this is reactionary and that Kisha will eventually come back up because we forget about big brother all stars. Is She the the Allison? Of the original stars where we we just forget that she was on all stars and we remember the allison they. Really killed it and big brother. Four. will she eventually come back up here Asia I don't think. So I think that for one big brother ten was so long ago and the type of. Player she is compared to like a case original. We can easily think back to season sake season seven to think about just icons that they are but with Kisha it was like Oh. Yeah. If I if I can go if I go back and re washed season Tan I, remember how I felt when I watched that originally. But I think that the fact that this season is recent obviously I think that that's going to play into just US remembering all. Yes she did it out. I had no idea what was going on in the house she didn't campaign for herself. We're going to think about those things before we think about you know the the impact she had season ten. I feel like I think people I think that people will remember her I. Think she'll come back up a little bit I. Don't know if she'll be able to get back into the upper tier I think it's possible. I think that people are GonNa look I think people are GonNa remember this as Kisha went in and man like got screwed. She was an alternate she came on last she didn't have a chance to pre game like everyone else. and. She she wouldn't have even gotten a victim of safety. And man that sucks, and so let's not let's not docker toomey points for that. I feel like people forget this sort of like quiet exit that she had Dallas. I, agree with that one, hundred percent I really think it like it's not a blessing to ground I the legacy winds, which is what we're talking about. I know everyone needed a kick start obviously and we're not used to watching the feeds that first week. So maybe it's just that it really seemed like everyone was kind of shaking off the dust and everything. The way that it seemed like quiches game was going to go if she stayed in I don't know. If, it would have benefited her legacy at all. It might be better that she goes out now and yeah, we do stick to the Kishan birthday we stick to the good old time I. Don't know that this is going to tarnish it as much as would have if she kept saying. I don't know and I think a canal I'm thinking of. Trevor in Taylor. which is kind of iconic too I mean it's bad. But let's not a world where the first thing we think of when we think of Kiesha is Trevor No. No I agree I think that if she had played a little bit longer I, really I really think that could have been more damaging to her legacy overall. If she was gonNA play like this all season. World while the game play is really elevated and you know a lot of reads by everybody but like specifically by somebody who's not known again, she's not another. She's another person not known for being a master game or anything she's known for You know the entertainment factor all. So as you had like a full season of really bad gameplay that would probably give her in giving her a pretty big but I think that she will. Probably come back I think she's always been. A legend of the game and you know somebody that is just well received well remembered by fans and within distance I feel like that Alison thing will really play out. Pretty well. All right. So above Kiesha last week was Ian Terry in the top tier and this week in -tary did fall but not far enough to go out of the top tier he's actually going to stay in exactly the same spot. He is above Qaysar in the top tier, but they are both it's very, very close between the two of them and they're both straddling the line. Top. Tier, and Upper Tier. I was actually a little bit surprised about this. I think that this in part will come from the fact that there was a huge discrepancy in how people rated Ian game coming into the season and how they raided his game in the most recent stock watch he got like something like a close to eight out of ten preseason and was closer to like a four, three or four. In the Stock Watch this week. So I think a lot of people are like seeing on the feeds maybe for the first time and seeing like Oh this is in. I had a different image of his game in my head and that's probably impacting his legacy a bit. But in terms of personality, I feel like Ian has popped. Even more than he did on his first season. You. Know being able to talk about being on the spectrum. Just this sort of like the positive attitude and enthusiasm that he brings to the game and he had some big brother for. But he also has like. A bit of like an angry side to him and that season as well at times. And I really feel like he has matured and he is a lot Savvier at the game and I'm very excited to see what he does. I feel like in my eyes enes legacy is gone up. In the audience is it has decreased a little bit but not quite enough to fall into just the upper tier because he remains here in the top Tier Asia how do you feel about it? I definitely agree I think that in order for Ian at this point to go down in in in his in the legacy stock watch would be to just for his game would have to crash like let's say he gets on the block and then doesn't campaign for himself or or isolates himself or something, and is not able to get any votes, and it just is like not the ESPN WE WANNA. See I think that would be. The only thing because like I think people really enjoying really getting to know Ian like you said, watching him on the feeds he had that story last night where he's talking about his worst date experience short long story short he had had a date lineup she canceled. So he got on tinder and just swiped until he got a date that same night, which is so funny. Just listening back on that stories because like he's in Houston Houston as well and he ended up matching someone in the woodlands, which is the area of Houston I live in as well and fun fact I'd have come across in on a date I'm saying. Thank you. So I write because I'm like, Hey, we have something in common. Right. But Yeah. I'm still here for you. All right. Hold on guys. We've got to call an audible on this one. And Shake. down. A screen shot them. Yeah in I think. It's fair to happen there. I might personally happened in like the. Tier below him like at the top of that I don't know I guess he's right around the the spot that makes the most sense acting fans really on a side overall especially, like this season I think people have always like the in but definitely this season as well and yeah I think it would take some probably like aggressively bad gameplay for him to drop a whole lot. I think even if he doesn't. Show, a whole lot of still kind of just quietly goes out at some point because people are targeting a winner I think that doesn't really do a whole lot to drop them. I think he doesn't have. Much much to prove. He just like you have something to prove. But again, he is a winner. He is one of two winners on this I feel like. A really will take a lot to get dropped are. All right. Let's move on above Ian last week was in Danny. And this week Danny did fall. But not very far, and she is stays above in in the top tier this surprised me personally now, we talked about this on survivor when we did this for survivor that the players who were turning for the second time for the first time this is their second game were a lot more volatile in the legacy watch and the players who are coming back for a second time third time they tended to be a bit more stable and that's I think largely because they've you have a much. Broader history. That they can fall back on. So even though I think a lot of people are kind of like not loving Danny on the season so far. They still are able to remember back to their favourite. Danny. Whether it's bb eight or bb thirteen, probably be thirteen. And and they're not like they're not ready to drop her yet they're not ready to say by the Danny quite yet here Dallas. I'm honestly good with Danny staying top tier I'm not in the same category of people that aren't big on her I. Think she's doing a good job. I think she's her one thing I think she might be getting too greedy because now she's trying to also work a genus stay oxygen now. I mean she she can't have cake and eat it too. Insulated so well with everyone else. Like you now. Stop with your head and that's that's the thing to like I. Don't think Janelle if like wooden John Comes for that group of Danny Cody Tyler Frenzel group she's not touching Danny's already not touching in my right. So the fact that she's going out of her way to try to make a deal to keep herself safe I think is, is like like I don't think she needed to. It's dangerous. Dangerous there's no need. The day. Yeah. The day her her game crashes and Burns and people compare notes and talk to each other like i. feel like that's GonNa come. It's too early right now to have your hands and so many products like were thinking three week or and something happens to where someone connects the dots that she's in with everyone in the house it's not going to be pretty so I'm I'm afraid that you know that. Be Thirteen Danny that we love is that's GonNa fade away if it's like a tragic like you know. Day when her game blows up. But even when even when it does slow I, think that her legacy stays intact I think even. Her legacy is she such a big character even on this season where she's not a big character like she's like she's not like going crazy in the in the diary room or anything like that. She's early. In their much she's been very vocal about but she is just somebody who is not going to ever go down quietly when she's in power she's not quite when she's. Not when she's going to be on the bottom she ends up on the block she's having to go quietly or anything like that. So I think, uh, she's always going to have people talking about her, and for that reason alone I think she stays pretty much in this year for the duration of the game I don't think that I see her slipping I mean, maybe she slips down one year or so but I can't see her go very far down at all. No matter what. For what it's worth, I think this is the best I've seen her play. In her three seasons. So if I feel too. Yeah. So. After Danny we have our top two. Last week Tyler was in second place in the top tier this week tyler moved down slightly again. But not enough to move anywhere on this list here remains above Danny. In the top tier and he is going to remain here. In second place overall on the cast in the top tier I think this is fair. I think that this is where he should be and I think that as always. Tyler has absolutely a chance to not only surpass chanel eventually but if he wins the season or does really well, this I think tyler is easily up there you know in the Pantheon. I agree I wasn't the biggest Tyler Stan. Bb Twenty there was just something I think it was just the fact you know level sakes and just the fact that he didn't really face a lot of adversity. Did it for me but I am liking tyler a lot more this season I think I'm really just to see the appeal that he had NC isn't twenty, which is the same appeal. He's having with these people and why he's in good with people and I'm I'm liking him a lot more this season. So I feel like that's only helping. And for for clarification sake when I say that tyler moved down a little bit in there but he didn't move anywhere on the on the actual list there's a score associated with. Each tier, and so there's actually there's a number that his number went down a little bit but he's still in the range of the top tier and he's still above Danny and below chanel. So that's what that what that is. Dallas Tyler. I I was huge on in twenty. I know that about halfway through like Asia's said people were kind of getting bored of it because it really seemed like he was just running the show and it was the yeah Tyler Tyler is playing big brother that's what you watch for but You start this season. He looks like a lost puppy. Oh my Gosh I was like Oh this guy is going out quick. This is going to hurt him and then not even three days in and I'm like, wait a second is doing exactly what he did last time he's making the connections he's got how many final twos. Unlike. Hussein. Is Name I mean? Yeah. Recently they're doing you know the four or whatever but I think Tyler's insulated well I think tyler deserves to be way up there. I don't see him going anywhere. Yeah, definitely can't disagree with any of that. I think he makes sense for where he has many slaying. He's playing a lot better than I. Ever could have anticipated because I expected his target to be so much bigger than I expected to adapt to play from a different spot than he is is for. Players. From recent seasons that is on this season. The fact that he is not a targeted immediately is so insane to me. I do think that he is playing not quite as good as he was in big brother twenty and I think part of that comes down to the fact that as you mentioned how to kind of slow start. He talked last night about how first couple of days were really hard for him and he wanted to go home. But but his head is in the game now but those were crucial days for him to be out of the mix there, and so he he he was already playing from behind expecting and come in with Casey and Josh, and so now he's playing even further from behind with with having missed those few first few days of like real solid work. But he's still such a capable player that. I don't think he's anywhere close to out of it yet. He's gotta stay on top of things though because Christmas being number one ally or one inches number one allies it seems obviously might be like even closer with David as well. Christmas slips and gets too close to Nicole, and then the Colon Ian thing and Christmas ends up more on that side rubens of fracturing at any point you know you gotta be careful he's got. That may make sure he's on top of these relationships and I mean, I'm not saying he's not just our he he has to stay with them over with Casey it was such a walk. It was like unspoken thing and then they did their thing right? They didn't really have to touch base I think yeah. With Christmas because she is so gung Ho, you can convince her. You know once and for all, it's all do it together I think that yeah. He does need to maybe touch base with her more and make sure that she knows what the actual goal is for those two because she could get lost in the mess. Yeah but I think he's built enough connection that like even these people that he's paired off with if he's on a block against them, he's saying. I think you would against anybody but cody right now I think he'd have trouble with cody and that's think unfortunately for him the one he's most associated with. But we'll see so that leaves us with Giannella. Last week Janelle was just shy of the gods of the game, the Big Brother Pantheon which renamed it too because people are like. Is it gods of the game if it's not strictly game play so? Fine. Timothy's suggested who does the website stocks because the big brother Pantheon, which I actually liked a lot so Fine. Pantheon now. were. Gods of the game I know I said that earlier. I added in the survey and then I was like Oh whoops I didn't do it on the tier thing. So you guys are going to have to deal of it. I liked God's the game i. thought it was cool. But nobody agreed with me so. So this week this week. I. Just barely. made it in. Wow. Big Brother Pantheon. She moved up just a hair and that was just enough to put her into the big brother Pantheon and and there she is. I honestly expected a bigger jump for because like. Everybody's obsessed with. House out of the House everybody's talking about journal Everybody's desperate for Gel Day. And so I really I expected that like, okay. Like know people remembered fondly but now they now it's J- innell. Now, they're really going to boost her score. But not quite as much and I have to imagine it is a similar situation where it's like. People are loving journal, but they're not quite loving game play that they're seeing from do so it didn't go up but it was tempered by that kind of like. Games not wonderful here. Asia. Yeah that the way people are behaving with her in the house are now shows you how big her legacy is like they're thinking donell. She has to have an army behind her chanel. She has to have this major thing going on is to know why wouldn't she be aligned with Memphis? Why wouldn't she have all of these people behind her and so then that's forcing them to like believe these things that they're coming up with when she's just. She's doing her thing she's with acer she's trying to pull in like Nicole Anthony like she. She's not doing everything at the level that they believe she's doing and it's because of her legacy and I, think nothing has damaged her legacy this far and I don't even if she were to go home next week I still don't think that that would affect the journal that people think of when they think of her and her past three seasons. Yeah nothing in this past week has really done much to make her go this highlight she hasn't been. All over the feeds in terms of like she hasn't been causing chaos or anything like that. She hasn't been A. Week and see we have seen. Before I'm in the game play certainly not you know pushing people over the edge to say right now playing Donald game or anything like that. It's really just the fact that her name is in everybody's mouth right now she is just All over the house in every single room of recession has do with Janelle in one way or another. So just that alone I think is really you know propelling just from the legend and that she is it as a big rather legend. And then just the fact that this whole entire early part of the season really is revolving around what is up to issue working with anybody is she doing anything underhanded that we're not seeing She has everybody on edge so I can see why she bumping I wouldn't be surprised she stays there. Yeah I I. Think this is where she should be. Regardless of the outcome of the season. I, think on her first two appearances alone. She made a place for herself. She made a seat for herself in the Pantheon. And Janelle will be forever. Associated with. Big, brother. In a Major Way Dallas. Yeah I mean. Just. The red high heels alone with the star soon enough to bring her up. But yeah, I mean it's genetic if you take a look at the entire cast. Her name being there makes it so much more like. Not, I want to watch this but I need to watch this lamp because John nells there right John or and so yeah I think she belongs there. Do I think her game play has really been? That much. That impressive. No I hear a lot of from channel conversations like why is no one playing? Is anyone playing, and like it's a little frustrating I, get it that those conversations are. Kinda to be had. But It's it's not fun to watch and especially from a big name like general. Yeah, her game I might be fun to watch, but she's so fun to watch. Her conversation with like Bailey like why does everyone wanted to do with? What's Crazy. H Wait daily just like because it's the real risk. Yeah. We respect the wishes and she's like, why? Like what does that? Mean? That was I'll be honest I was a little will cringe. Your like just represents everything that the audience wants a big brother game. Even if it's not the smartest game because. The only way that John L. makes it to the end anytime she plays is by just bawling out on the competitions. And like being an underdog fighting her way through and yelling at people and screwing over their power structure because they just can't get her out. and. Like everything that the audience wants to see from the game, it's not good play because it's hard to manage to do that especially now with the competition being different in the way that they are in the fact that hasn't been winning them. But but she still represents that sort of like she can't play any other way and so she can't be anything but a fan favourite. Yeah exactly. I think it was it like we know at this point generic Acer needs to win in order for them to continue to be safe like we know that. So we know that they're not playing a game I. I personally think that they need to win the next. Yeah I thought. And it didn't happen and I think they're still sitting pretty I. Agree. It feels that way the facades there that we need to rescue them to win. The underdog I think there were there were only a few options of people could have won this h head would have kept them safe and they got they a little lucky that one of those options managed right? Right I don't know how lucky they're gonNA continue to be but I thought it was so funny on Thursday diet that Danny. Engineer we're making fun of how bad were at that They're out. Yeah. I when I started nels name on the list and everything for her coming back. I felt a little similar to how. People felt like four times. I mean okay. I. Mean. Again, of course I get if journal says, yes they're going to have her on but I wasn't like as excited. I thought that there were a lot of regional stars than expected to seat over her. So maybe I was just more surprised to see that she was there and saying yes. But like once she's back in the House you see why you know for she's here why she isn't this year on the Legacy Watch here it's just like I said, you give her name is in everybody's mouth people can't stop talking about her and that's not going to change up until the day she gets out so sorry to Nicole Frenzel. Just what is she going to do when she gets home and and watch these tests back as we know she's GonNa do and see in general all the way at the top and herself a whole two rows down. Production she is. she's a she's GONNA call. I yeah. Yeah. All right. So that was the legacy watch for this week. This is so much fun. Do you guys have anything else that you wanted to bring up at all? Before we wrap this up. Or change my background because the feeds are going to go down to change. The. Kitty, I can just change it anyway. It's not. With, this I mean I felt bad. Changing I can't believe it's still not started. That's crazy but Sorry. That's not what you asked. But Really. Cool to get to chat with dowse. Mejia. So Landau able to make Chapman and I don't know. What's Really, nice getting me all the to Dallas but I think that you know I can't wait for the happen I'm not sure what time it will happen. It's already eight o'clock they're like, what are they thinking? The same should we down by now? So I don't know how late we're going to get. Veto cop in veto winner. But I know that I want whoever wins to to I don't know. I. Don't know what I want to happen. I hope I I think that because I honestly would be a okay with either Nicole or David going home. Just. Because there are so many other people in the house I enjoy watching. Because I don't trust whoever Memphis with put up next like I'd be afraid that it could be something like Bailey. It's just like, okay let's just keep it how it is but how will it to see like David when veto or Nicole even to win the meat like what would happen then the chaos ensue so we'll see I did have a weird moment of cognitive dissonance early this morning when I. Was tweeting about Danny pitching office about doing a back door in Memphis is just completely stonewalling her and normally when I tweet something like that like I just like instinctually expect a bunch of anger toward Memphis like screw this guy, he's being such a Douche Danny he's You know acting like he's so condescending and he he's too scared to make a big move. We want the big move to happen. But in in the responses to the tweet. King Memphis, yes. Blends glide her down. She sucks. Protects genetic all costs and I was like, Oh, well, I've this is, of course they think that way like I would just like threw me out of balance so. Normally, we're rooting for the big move to happen. Of Not not in this particular instance yet. To, be going into a veto competition whenever it starts in like nobody's really rooting for the article one by a nominee. Little unusual but. Now. Dallas thank you so much for coming on. Do you have any final thoughts for us yet? Thank you for having me on. This is my first podcast with you guys. So this was Uber Fine Asia. It was great to meet YOU MATT To bounce ideas back and forth. Again Yeah I agree I I don't know exactly what I want from this cast I want the game to start getting played a little harder and I think the ball start rolling a little quicker this week messy as it was, and I'm hoping that that momentum just keeps going. So. We'll see what happens with the veto. I do still have high hoax I'm very excited but. It's just one of those things again fever dream. Continue to watch this plays out because I have no idea what's happening I'll right where can people find Dude Alice? So. I just started tweeting on a different twitter account because my main one is mostly. POKEMON. So if you guys want to see my big brother takes down cats strike. That's mostly where I'll be. So not not at dealt he's like. He's laying. Not, get it like what's going on it was already taken in Dallas to. Underscore or something. All of them take you'd be surprised in make like three GS like. Asia working behind you. You can find me on twitter Asia Asia so A. Y. S. H. A. Like a SA. And Matt's. On twitter at Matt Liguori and that's that's where I am for all the stuff with leap podcasting of it all you can find it all there so that all right and of course, you can find me on twitter at Armstrong Taryn or on twitch. TV Slash Taryn Armstrong last night I was live talking to Lovie About some of The Tyler's game plans in David's game plans coming in. So you can check that out on twitch. If you want and you can find me of course, tomorrow morning at eleven am eastern to update when everything that happens today and tonight on the Big Brother Twenty two feeds tomorrow. Night's is going to be an episode recap after the episode Airs Tomorrow Night So check that out and See that.

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"Good afternoon and welcome to the northern kentucky. Podcast more than kentucky podcasts. That's not right. let me start over. Click take to get afternoon and welcome to the northern kentucky spotlight as we are shining that spotlight on all things northern kentucky. Today i'm katherine. Row alongside jeremy schramm the marketing and communications director for the chamber and as always kristen baldwin the vice president of public affairs medications year. We're gonna be talking about the election. That's coming up in just a little bit. we do want to thank our title sponsor. Cg for all that they've done actually headed out there hopping on a plane here. In the next. I don't know two weeks or so. So i'm going to check out all the cleanliness. And all that purified air they got going on and so we thank him for all of their support. Jeremy we've got a big show. Come in everyone's way today. Yes w. f. american. They're gonna be on here and they're talking about air quality and stuff and It's it's very interesting. I didn't even realize that this company was located in this area. So that's what's so interesting with this. Podcast is finding out the in. You hear their stories. Super interesting is not about clean. it's about fabrics. It's about all kinds of great stuff and so You know knowing that that these big things international things are happening in new in kentucky that none of us may have even realized so. That's all coming your way ahead But one big national thing and local and regional thing. We've been talking about for low. These many weeks of course is the election and kristen. Balderas back to update is on where we are right. Now listen we all you know what we know about. This election is especially as far as the president goes. Whichever way we voted. Half of our area disagrees with us. And so we're going to look more of this we're now. Look at this positivity kristen that means a lot of people showed up to vote. Let's start by talking about turnout. That's right catherine here today. Hopefully the last time we talked about elections for a couple of years but one of the big things take away. Talk about is twenty. One thousand more people voted in boone. Kitin and campbell than they did four years ago so again. Twenty one twenty one thousand more people voting is always a great thing and so as part of the vote. Bring kyi effort at nonpartisan effort. Our goal is to increase turnout. Did i think we definitely did that. In time. To twenty one. Thousand more people voting. That's huge Kitten and boone counties are one of the top five largest number of votes counted in the entire state and so the huge deal again talking about the importance of our region so positive outlook on what happened last tuesday. So does that mean that vote for in kyi is gonna hang around or do some make pivots or are they still going to be around to help us. A term people out so this was our third elections so we started last november with the statewide gubernatorial election. That the first one second with the primary this one was the most recent one so we have two more years until the next election. Maybe we should have headline and with that. There's no election kentucky for two years. I was going to give it a chance for our group to reassess kind of where we're at where we're going forward looking at potential ways to do some registration drives look at various partnerships throughout our region. What can we do to amplifier. Message make sure to see if our message was was well received some other targeting efforts and one of the things that we really looked at this year was technology. So how does that technology that information. Help us to move forward until we can get to a very targeted demographic that we're trying to get to. Let's talk about the different ways. We could vote this year. Do you think that this does this. Mean that off early voting. And no. Excuse absentee voting. Is that gonna stick around. We'll see it's up to the general assembly again. During the pandemic the secretary of state and the governor had the authority to make those decisions that power goes back to the kentucky. General assembly secretary state has joked that he turns into a pumpkin. After this election very much does so if you were supportive of the early election options. Folks absentee ballot. Who you need to talk to your local state legislator so your state senator your state representative as they go into session on january. It's up to them to make that decision at the chamber. Were supportive of policies. That will increase voter turnout and engagement and so You're probably going to see a variety of that. I'm not sure what that will eventually look like But could it be a couple of days versus three weeks ahead of time. It's going to interesting to see the upcoming session but again your local state and senators will make that final determination the coming session. It's a general assembly session coming up. We've got twenty eight new members of the general assembly so What are what what what's going to happen with. That is as we get closer to session. The good news is for ninety. There's no changes the general assembly and our legislative caucus but there will be twenty eight new house members and senators total and so it's going to be huge members as we try next coming months to educate those numbers on the importance of northern kentucky and our economy and the policy issues. That matter to us. So we'll all be doing a lot of education efforts. it's going to be interesting how to lobby from afar since we probably won't be able to get into the capital. We'll probably definitely need all of their cell phone numbers and to get. Hold them via text message or sagan setups some team meetings with them but a definitely a challenge going in but again arnold three caucus same with they'll be twenty eight new faces walk around the capital come january. It's interesting we think of it as voters like the election is where it ends because the ads end with really. That's just weird stars. So advocating for northern kentucky continues and now we appreciate all your help. Thanks for being our guest here for the last. What six weeks or so six weeks. Thanks so much for having me appreciate it all right chris. Thank you and Yeah the turnout sounds fantastic. Jeremy has been nice to talk about that. I know there's election stress but when you look at more people going to the polls you can never. That's never a bad thing. More people to the polls. He's great so says my civics teacher ma. All right We have some headlines here to talk about. Jeremy and unfortunately we did this last week when we got start. We gotta start talking about kobe. Because unfortunately in the last week eke as all of us were just ramping. Up are just just media consumption. When it comes to the election cova did take a back seat in in soros headlines but the numbers are spiking up. And that's an important point to make they have been on the rise in late. September specific northern kentucky. That we are the top that counties the the three counties in northern kentucky the northern most i should say are all in that red section until as kevin campbell wearing that red zone Which means you we've got more than twenty five per one hundred thousand people twenty five cases per one hundred thousand people grant and pendleton or trending too so they might be hitting red here very very soon. The record numbers over the weekend. Three thousand three hundred thirty nine cases for the week that ended yesterday and i think new record. Cova cases the positivity rate across kentucky is seven percent now listen northern kentucky counties are in the when you looked him up on the map there like in the twenty thirty forty range. There are some counties. Jeremy that are like a hundred and forty one hundred and forty so that makes that rate seen really high so just keep in mind that are right in northern kentucky is not the state rate. The state rate is much higher. Because you've got these outlying counties that are like a hundred and forty and we're like forty five so just keep that in mind. The governor did out the people. Avoid gatherings work from home as possible. And just try to keep your trips to a minimum. You'd have more of those mask. Stay distant from each other you know. Keep your businesses healthy because if you keep the big keep people healthy then we keep the business open. And that's like the biggest thing we can stress is. You've got to wear those masks like Weather masks make sure. You're wearing your masks so that way that We we stop the spread of this thing You know an and we can't forget about Our first responders and our healthcare workers like right at the beginning of the pandemic. Everybody's reaching out and helping saint elizabeth. But i saw on thursday last week. They had seventy six new cases at the hospital in saint elizabeth. So they're gonna they're gonna start feeling that stress. They're already feeling the stress they had been feeling stress. But it's gonna get worse so anything. I if you wanna reach out and help saint elizabeth. Now's the they are looking for help. it's depressing. But we're gonna we're all getting cova teague. You know what i mean like. It's like i'll just one in here. I can have three or four people over whatever. We've all done it but we just have to be careful about it though another note to that whole pandemic being pandemic relief from st one Customers is about to end so st one will return to their normal collections. January after months of suspended penalties in water Disconnections due to non payment governor issued an executive order on october nineteenth ending the suspension of utility disconnections for non-payments and waving penalties through december. Thirty first but you know if you're having issues just reach out there willing to work with you there's other Entities inside the The community like the northern kentucky community action commission has. They have funding to help people with their payments. And stuff like that. So you just you just need to reach out and ask if you if you have issues but It's gonna back. Nobody wants to turn up people so if you are trying to reach out get on a payment plan they will. They'll accept it so just You know this case. It's about trying definitely. Let's talk safety for a little bit. Are at a online security firm. Safety dot com came out with these safest cities in northern kentucky. For mitchell as number one for thomas is number. Two independence is number three and so this is based on some interesting categories. You know you think it's going to be based on crime right sure. Also based on household income and ability to have health insurance and the whole idea is this isn't just like are you safe in your home but are you safe overall you safe healthwise or you say You know having a little bit of money in the bank those sorts of things. So it's an interesting concept. There are several other northern kentucky. Cities didn't make the list. Erlanger highland heights in florence off the top twenty in the state of kentucky awesome. We're pretty safe here. Also dayton has joined a list of a bunch of cities that have reduced their taxes for this year. city council approved a five percent reduction in the city's property tax rate the first property tax reduction in the city in twelve years. So that's great. News for the dayton residents a mayor. Baker says it's possible because of an increase in new developments in reducing spending from the city so that cities continues to be on the rise danes. A nice little corner northern kentucky that you need to out and you lower tax rate a great place to live area. Now you were just talking about seeing elizabeth extending its monopoly. Is heading on into indiana now southeast indiana. It's got an agreement with high point health and that was a service provider. They're both in positions and in other medical issues. There it is now gonna that high point. Healthcare is going to be called. Saint elizabeth dearborn so eight hundred new associates. Doctors are now folded into saint elizabeth system. And if move get sing with into southeastern indiana and now southeastern indiana's much like northern kentucky. It is the forgotten area. A greater cincinnati There's some great areas over there. It's a less densely populated than we are here but nonetheless great opportunity for For saint elizabeth to move over there and saint elizabeth promises to invest fifty million dollars in capital projects and technology investments. It's even talk about building a cancer center. They are so for to coming to make the folks in southeastern indiana. Have them get more access to saint elizabeth healthcare And then another one of our huge huge employers. Great partners here in northern kentucky n. k. You they have announced that There to help teachers The distance learning i mean. It's it's a challenge learning how to work all these zooms and meats and there's a little app called seesaw son has to work on it it. It's a lot so they're trying to educate us trying to help These teachers learn so they're going to have a virtual conference And it's going to help. Teachers explore stem resources and technology and cutting edge techniques It's gonna be hosted by news center for integrative natural science and mathematics. It's a mouthful. The conference addresses the need to improve socially distanced stem learning programs So yeah like you know. It's it's tough it's hard. It's so hard especially if you're still like teacher used to teaching a certain way and your class and having your cool experiment right there for kids to interact with now you gotta figure out a new way to do it but The they're they're doing it and they're getting through it. And then k is going to make it easier for them and you know what's cool about teachers wanna learn just like students do like that's why they're in education so this is a great opportunity for them to learn from the people who are involved in math and science to create this kind of hybrid program so tune their for both in ku and for teachers as well around the area. And jeremy. this is now the time for a very very big jeremy's chain around you got some. It's a it's a busy time of year. It's not normally this busy and in november but You know pandemic show. To the end of the year he condense pushed. All the weeks of our biggest thing is our annual celebration presented by fifth third bank. This is our annual dinner that we've moved to a lunchtime. It is thursday at eleven thirty is when the networking portion of the event starts and then the alive. Facebook live show starts at right at noon. we've got some great honorees this year Fifth third our title sponsor like they are for the past few years and We really thank them for that. And it's going to be a really really really really fun event. We've even got a special performance by the suits that rock that perform the ernie every year. Their performance obviously was canceled this year. But we got we got. We got a co performance That that you're not gonna wanna miss. You wanna be on right at noon So you don't miss fat and then Next week we go into our biggest exiting issues of the year as the regional economic outlook. And i'm sure there are a lot of people that are very concerned about our regional economic outlook. Janet harrah's there every year from ku gives us a big update sometimes she can be doom and gloom. This year might be a little bit more. Doom and gloom. We're looking forward to the future. We've got a lot of great stuff coming on our community. So you definitely want to check that out And then we've got a lot of networking things coming up too. So on the sixteenth we have the women's initiative connect our and then on the nineteenth. We have the business after hours sponsored by frost brown todd so those are two really great things and then also coming up in december we have The women's initiative virtual winter professional series. And that's going to be on december second so a lot of great stuff to register for any of those events go to an ky. Y dot com events And then if you forget to register for annual celebration it will be on facebook so all you gotta do is tune in on facebook to see the live program so do not miss that and you can even watch it after like on demand if you just go to our facebook page so hopefully. We'll see you on thursday architect all right jerry. Thank you and stay with us coming up on the northern kentucky spotlight. We're going to talk with nate. Lipman bwf america. He's got some really interesting kind of history of that company. There's a much different organizations in like delineations within it's just a. It's an interesting german company coming to germany area. You got to hear from him. The big thing for them clean air. We all want everything clean these days. So we'll hear from nate coming up as northern kentucky. Spotlight returns cvt. Airport is the lowest fear airport in the tristate region with fifty four nonstop flights and direct international service to seven destinations including paris france. And now home to both. Dhl's and amazon's global cargo hubs. The airport is furthering. Its position as leader in aviation and deeply committed to being an economic driver for the community. You can learn more and start your next adventure at cg airport dot com. Welcome back from the northern kentucky. Spotlight right now. We're joined by nate littner. He's the director of sales at bwf. America's and we appreciate you joining us today looking forward to a nike. I gotta tell us i don't. Bwf is not something. Maybe the rolls off the tongue for all of us. We don't know what you guys do so inform us. What is it that you guys deal so we. Bwf or an air pollution control company. We are a direct manufacturer of felt that that are. We manufacture filter bags. Here in hebron kentucky does filter bags are utilizing the industrial sector cement plants power plants. You name it if it has a stack. There's eric coming out of it more than likely. It's got our product than it to keep the airplane. So that's that's our main focal point is is driving clear and especially right now even before codes that was certainly a big big concern but during covid especially in keeping everything clean air included a very important part of this absolutely. Yeah our our mantra. Is we care for clean air. It's not only a mantra but it's a way of life force. Let's talk about how you guys kind of like every business had to pivot a little bit and think of air pollution like how. How can they possibly you guys found a way we did. So obviously we had to act as a chameleon to an extent and create a another level of our business While hospitals were dealing with the mask shortage we manufacture max here at our facility but we manufactured them for the industrial sector is and ninety five. Were obviously prevalent within hospitals twitter able to manufacture mass that was able to be utilized within various plan ants so the hospitals could get what they need. We were able to keep production busy instill satisfied clients needs. And that's a point that i don't know a lot of thought about those. In ninety five masks word used you know as we were all kind of searching barrages and stuff. They were used by people in plants all over the country and then they had to be sent to those people on the front lines. Absolutely absolutely any idea. How many mass you mayor. How many people you helped and keeping us plants. I don't have a direct count. I do know that. A lot of our mass correctional utilizing in the southeast in the southwest rather than here locally which was which was kind of an interesting dynamic. But we do have a a large presence within those within the cement field. So that's an industry that we're really targeted up for those masks. Let's talk about you. Mentioned here locally. You know how being a northern kentucky greater cincinnati area has helped you guys either in you know retention or sales or anything like that. Tell us why being in northern kentucky is important to you yes been in kentucky is huge for us were german company in obviously were familiar with the german heritage the cincinnati northern kentucky area. So number one it's about fit and that fit makes sense for us. The second is it's a centralized location to a lot of our core business. No we do a lot of business within the aluminum sector power sector and frankly where we are in comparison to our competition puts us in a nice niche so fit marketplace is well as franklin reckless to the airport so easy to get in get out. So there's there's a lot of different variables. Aaron sectors that make it make sense. The other item is. Bwf his for developing the talent at a young age critic tenure within the organization with us being so close to so many different universities that allows us the ability to go in recruit develop that talent and bring them up from within organization. That's a great point. We do have a lot of big universities here within an hour if not closer And so that's great that you can get that talent and keep it in the area I wanna talk about. Bwf what it stands for. Because i think it's interesting yes so. Bwf stands for bavarian wool felts. We are bavarian company based out of office in germany. It's kind of unique in the fact that yes. The enviro tech sector is one division but frankly. Bwf started as a felt manufacturer. We're manufacturing products the clothing industry. I've got a sport coat on the back. You'll have a piece. Bwf manufactured that product in germany. Yes so it's pretty unique sustainable company. We've got the clothing aspect. We've got the aspect within our pro-tech room in which we manufacture wash felts so obviously us americans. We tend to take our cars for the car wash rather than washington in our driveway. So that's another product that are protect division cells and then we've also have their profiles division with more on the architectural side thermoplastics A lot of nice architectural buildings. That's kind of what they're dealing with. So it's it's a company that it's been very diverse sustainable in his grown within a global marketplace interesting kind of correlation of everything. I mean you mentioned. I never would have thought were car. Wash dealt came from was felt. But that's so interesting Let's talk about that mantra when more time that you guys have we air for cleaner. Tell us how you put that into us. So obviously we're going into the industrial sector on a day-to-day basis. And frankly a lot of these. Plants are running a very lean operation in a bag houses. The the piece of equipment that gets forgot that bank houses what our products go into. They've got a bag house. That has not been maintain the right what we're going to be dealing with the dirtier situation and the ups going to be involved. So that being said we we proactively take a approach with our clients in which we lead them through the process. We develop a very partnered approach and being proactive with their systems. -taining their systems of putting the right products in their systems. To make sure that the scene you see coming out of this tax is clean and for me. It's extremely important. I've got two kids. I wanna make sure that. 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Man United Crash Out of UCL

ESPN FC

37:30 min | 5 months ago

Man United Crash Out of UCL

"Welcome in sedition. Espn fca. i'm dan. Thomas joined here in the suit on a busy day of action craig. Burley is with may also on the program frank. Birth and shake hislop's are with us in a moment. We'll talk about manchester united's eliminated from this year's champions they but we'll start with those scenes in paris saw the match. Psg and eastham suspended as it stands as we go to edit it so it will go ahead on wednesday but the reason. It was suspended. In identifying pierre web of the istanbul assistant coach the fourth official used a racial slur that was heard by soap by both sides then in solidarity both teams walked off and did not return to the pitch in psg shock. Let's start with you your reaction to this first of all. I'll start to finish on electric credit. Both teams fatiguing decisive and unified action as it did. Psg supporting istanbul on this bull and voicing their concerns around something the fourth official said to the referee and addressing a rebel. Just give them some of the exchanges and in particular discussion that demba then went on to have with the officiating team. Is that the fourth official and i defining free to be read. College said humid and romanian. Because of the romanian -ficiating team. The black guy needs to be sent off to denver boss point if it were a white official that seem fourth referee. Fourth officially sidelines would not see a white official. So you're treading a very thin line when you start to use rescan. Identifying people in particularly in particular in this context was sending someone off. It highlights a couple a couple of key issues here one and most importantly and we've had this discussion before we've had this discussion around the use of language and race. Lewis suarez data and we about to his liverpool days and is incidents with with patrice. We've had it was a week ago. Ten days ago with an insecure vanni. Something that he had on people and social media we've had it in the past with banados. On many city it's time for clubs and confederations and to recognize the moment that we're in to recognize the game what it stands for and where the pitfalls are the international and diverse nature of. Today's game means there needs to be more sensitivity training around the use of language. Even if you want to take the general diversity and a number of different nationalities and addressing side and this team. You have a team from france. A team from turkey on a refereeing team from romania that fraught with all kinds of issues in terms of the different languages and different contexts until the officials. Start to take these issues seriously on be proactive in hall. They deal with it and be proactive and hold the educate their officials on clubs do the same with their players. We are going to have these discussions again over the last couple of years. I have come to new far too much about how language is used around. Reese from uruguay to portugal. Romania than i have ever noon on the football authorities. In my opinion the ones who have to be the brunt of the responsibility here but finished again i cannot do anything but applaud to all my being both. Psg istanbul for the unified action that the truck in the face of what they interpreted as a recent suction frank was striking. Was we saw those pictures in the discussions happening on the sidelines that this wasn't one team working often the others following this both working together. Yeah and this is absolutely fantastic and and shack is right to To to say that we have to applaud them and because it's the first time that we see a reaction like that we saw so many players being insulted and and suffering from receive them angering out of the game and the peach but by themselves and the first time that we see to deciding to stop the game and to make clear that the against racism. I would have loved to see more white. Because i'm going to name them. Why players be more Involved in disagreement of carrying carrying on because we saw them baba. I think the guy who made sure that the game was stopped and going to the to the main referee and seeing what he was thinking about that but we saw him by name makino's peer will also and of course being very present in that moment where we didn't see the other once and i named the white players who show almost just staying there for secrets thing seems to be to be said. We have to stop that. We have to stop that because it's to treat you of the world in case steak so we have to make sure that everybody is involving the same matter. Plays of made a statement which is resonated this made headlines around the world but not too much not to lots of already say other than to say that the consequences have to be greater every time. Because we've seen an on the boys of on too many occasions where things have just been sort swept aside and say yea will deal with them will move on. This is an embarrassment for uefa. Embarrassment and the players were right solidarity the game. There's no go back on today. We really game tomorrow with a new refereeing team And at least they've made a stuns and so the consequences for those involved have to be greater and one of the ways that you're gonna have to deal with us because you can't just given people a little slop when the rest for these situations because in this day and age. It's just not good enough. Despite the fact that she didn't play they did qualify today because of the results in germany. Leipzig big manchester united. Find three goals to to live stick with three they were cruising united. Got a couple of quick goals later on a new thought break manchester united once again stage in one of these now trademark comebacks undersold shah. The didn't happen this time hopping on his show for a few days. You can't get away with it once again. They were atrocious star game. They went on with a defensive. Taylor's is a wing in one side. One besides as a wing in the other side but leipzig always gonna play three upfront and that was going to push the to the to ring box bach and not allowed certain kevin campbell to dominate the game lou. Manja negativism after being europa league. Because that's the that's they're stunned the moment the club some say well. We're in a good run. In the premier league were up to federal no sex because dr above them you know. That's the standard there at the moment. The been piloted by manager who continually see is is dead at. This is a club. I will continue to share and they have an ownership are only interested in the balance sheet. They have ha's of policy when it comes to transfer we've seen chelsea this summer. Go bang bang bang. Bang ellie is what we need. Here's the problem buying let solver. What are we seeing united. Do we saw them hanging on the edge of cliff way in and then enough and so this is what you get so falls on the place of the debacle. The mineola paul pogba pogba again gets himself a goal off deflections and the back in the game so the whole thing is just raw into the core and i hate to say it but it's not only in the monitor that needs to change it as club but the ownership needs to change. I think for them to go forward and really challenge the boys at the top of the domestic game on the top of the european tree again. Frank let's not forget manchester united to draw going into this tie yet. They were so expose continuously at the back flashbacks. That game against spurs in a match which you could have kept it tight. They failed to get anywhere near that ended to two minutes. After the beginning of the of the game. I guess they played a three of the back. Where a play like that knowing that the two the tube back to back on the side from the lights go forward and liked to go forward and he'd happened like that with fantastic from beats there to to consider the first goal for manchester united. And i think it's a it's a problem of consistency and and craig mansion that that you cannot think that you can go and go through the qualification group. If you not consistent they were they got six points in two games in the first two games of the chamber sleep and they won only one other in out of four so it's not enough to in europe. league is maybe a better competition for them for we season. When you're battling with the big boys you gotta put in big boys performances shocker. We can week out. And that's exactly what united failed to do. Didn't get that point here today. Let's not forget. That horrible result against istanbul as well overall schoolboy errors from a team. That should better. Should know about john. And i put the put this down to maybe a complacency. Aw citizens of oregon's around my united united listen to this game. I thought the five nil drubbing dot old trafford would play into into unites his hands in their own psychology. Going into this one think it was exactly the opposite. You filled out in going to to west down. I'm there for out performance where they could quite easily have been three behind the turn it on the second half convincing winners and again you come in here. Again's i'll be leipzig team that you absolutely trump's in the first leg and the game is all but oval in the first walk eighteen minutes and then all of a sudden is this response and the second now where manchester united play better. They get their breaks. They are on the front foot. I'm the cooper with leipzig threat. A whole lot better. They had a narrow about cabrera escapes as as mentioned but still. We're talking about manchester united year. You this point. You haven't figured out that you can't go to cut like rb. Leipzig and give them that kind of stuff. You that you have to keep things tight early on. You have to play as as as a unit a total lack of any kind of cohesion within united squad. Really lack of any kind of a plan and with it lasts sense of complacency as a recipe for disaster. Let's let's go back to france point. Let that sink one. The foster games in this group. Yep that it was. It was qualification. Pommie johan variously one with a current attacking game in paris. The trump's gave leipzig. I've always said it was an anomaly. Because they would have played for most of the game. Well what the hell leipzig to them. In this setting off. I'll never know kelly's defensively and almost cost him again. The only other game the one was home to the sheer minnie lawson turkey. I mean you know that you know. Let me listen. Shake gone craig when you when you have only one way to to play a game and you consider go because you plane contract. And we talk about tottenham large. They are i into primarily and the only pink contract which is also the case of manchester united. When you plan a three with three defenders at the back you plan to defend into two to play in contact with life sees but you consider goal after two minutes. What can you do when you have only one way to defend. How can you change your tactic. Estim- problem so the department obviously never told. United engineering likes to get forward. We buy as a mindset the outcast everything was going down that flying tyneside one bassac go no help whatsoever none and but look at manchester united metal of part i mean really but then how much is that. We see the lights on. I want to talk about life. Do in a moment. But you mentioned the fact that they have not particularly back socia- so how much blame should he receive when you take a look at the backing the other clubs. You mentioned chelsea new dissociate. Bring on the ben tonight. This was the problem. Renew hod as well because he looked at the ball be clueless just clueless transfer policy as a problem recruitment as a problem because the manager we know the manager is in there because he was an ex player who came in and some files out short term and then they gave him the job. This is great. Yeah there you go get them job. We know the as former teammates and the uk will not say anything against him. We know that it's everybody else's fault is the hair spoke woodward's fault but they haven't got the stomach. T say solska had done. Nothing is managed to be honest. If you get one of these top jobs live at job job. Any of these top jobs by munich. Have something you have to have done something in your see. It says managing a huge global jihad apart from conan for three month period. Put his arm around a few people and some fires. Oh so there's whales is not all has fought the not go forward with one. Recruitment and to appropriate manager in their proper late. We see other clubs. Who can who can coach who can get the tactics right and has received the the says i can manage money and then bach amongst the boys but not been said. I still will say that the ownership are doing. None of these monitors commend any favors. The the the question. I would ask myself. A really good manager was in there. Would they be better than they are. And i think the answer is yes not good enough to be challenged. The better the let let me just add to that done. I mean i. I understand the offer to suicide in terms of the board. Not really backing in my. I'm not true to sense but at the same time who has improved under under social. Who was playing better football. Bruno fernandez kevin and january and had probably the best six months of anybody in the league. I'm not sure you can see that. This time around. And i want to or three months of this season for for for these spending or lack of a however you wanted interpreted nobody everybody in that dressing room has regressed so that is also concerned when you ought to care about who needs it. Manages club in the long term trusted money long to montlake. Your diary diary diaries. Anyone on you right okay. And tell manager leaves us club. We're going to be having the same conversation every in every week. Like on a on a day every. How does this conversation so many times. This conversation is going to continue until they make the correct decisions. We're going to be sitting here saying well got a couple of good results. Look better buying disaster. Trust me every three weeks. I'm sorry live fans dade wanna talk a bit and give you credit obviously for advancing and put new either mccown obviously as well three three against buying three two against manchester united. What a great couple of results For them we'll talk about them. Maybe on extra time you can check out over on our youtube channel us to do laundry when i get home. I have to like all my clothes over to the washing machine. Then i get to quit them. In the dry and accidentally shrink mike cashmere sweater again motorcycles. Make everything exciting and when guy go makes it easy to switch and save on motorcycle insurance. It's even more exciting. I'm gonna fold all my socks into little balls geico motorcycle. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more at shell. We know from the time you get up to the time you wrap up. There's a lot of meet. Ups eat ups and hurry up so come to shell and get three things done at wants. Fill up with shell. V power nitro plus to help. Keep your engine running like new. Save up the fuel rewards program and never pay full price for gas again and snack up with instant rewards to save even more at the pump. Make the most of the stop you need to make michelle engines continue shelby power nitro plus premium gasoline terms and conditions. If you'll rewards what a result for eventers in group g going to pass alone and and getting a three now win which gives them the age when it comes to the head to head meaning. The pillow side finished top of the group. In qualification west mckinney with ago and only moreno joins us now for shown around with a couple of penalties and boy. Did he enjoy score in the molly. Of course he did. Well anybody who played for today. Enjoy that game. It was like a practice games for that. I honestly barcelona never got close to challenge juventus. You look barcelona and you evaluate this team and the real question for me and it's a it's a serious question. How bad and i mean. How terrible is this team right now. The messy dependency more so than ever. But that's only part of the family. Speaks the one part of so many things that are going wrong for this team. They don't get close to anybody defensively. They don't pressure the bolt together. They don't work as at eight on look connected like a team. This is a group that is all over the place guys running around doing their own thing and hoping that something happens and more so than anything. What are you. Sue you from this team for the first twenty or thirty minutes was a team that you know what in care just didn't didn't show any sort of intensity in chinese sort of urgency. Any sort of fight juventus goes to come now and they're the ones knocking the ball around and barcelona just very comfortable. Just kinda chasing the ball from one place to the other. I can throw so many names under the boss right now. Let's single one guy out in particular midland pianist. Who came out and said you know what i haven't been playing off and delete. I'm not getting enough minute. I was brought here to play okay and tassie. It gets an opportunity to play against his former team and joined us. So you think if there was ever a chance and an opportunity to showcase what is it that you are celona nothing. How many tackles admittedly managed to win in the midfield. Close to zero many tackles franken. Young wind through the midfield close to zero. If you're not tackling through the middle and then how can western mckinney in that second goal so you're not defending in the back either and you're not scoring goals in the front but you get real real real bad team. This is terrible right now. And he's being terrible in laliga but the champions league has been a little respite. They went into this game perfect. Let's not forget that was obliterated. Tonight club annoyed me. Ever since the necked martin braithwaite from lebanese and this is common. Is this a common foreign behalf. Because that tells you what a bunch of desperadoes why the hale would ron kerman walker of more than dutch national team that gone to the us to walk in there. It'd be a stopgap before the presidential elections. And he think he's not going to be a stopgap then aesthetic of luke's on top of that that message debacle was already getting played out so he knew he was getting a very very very unhappy playa. On top. it up there was a host of other issues. So why would they hire him. Anyway i mean the whole thing just doesn't make sense from barcelona. Does it make sense from ronald koeman. And they have these presidential elections or whatever as next year and everything's going to be rosy again a garden. I think not. This game shack was billed as renou against messy. One man look defeated throughout this game. Listen to you you're in this town season non ronaldo's reactions during the course of this game and and for good reason just to add to craig's headed to your previous question down. Boston went into this game. Perfect because of who else else's in this group dynamo kiev virus. And let's remember. Renaldo was the first leg because he tested positive for covid and boston goto to win and win. Tuna the biggest concern for me here and the as much as you can throw any number of names under the bus right new. The biggest concern in isn't ronald koeman. How you get this so wrong. If you at least get your tactics right then we can point to me the underperformance of so many way when the boss lunar shit to read a report on these manage on the weekend. Picking boscell in a pod. How poor they are tactically. They rely on on there with On their wing boxed destined jody. And here's my concern. We run kumon manager who has extensive managerial history behind him and he can make what you like but you get outcoached out. Thought tactic by andrea pillow. Somebody in his first job by just pushing. Quadra alexandru alexandra. The sites ridiculous academies matters show yesterday shack. Thanks thanks for watching. And the other group chelsea sound in the knowledge say go through top twenty nine one one draw against cranston dot today. I have to do laundry when i get home. I have to like all my clothes over to the washing machine. Then i get them in the door. I accidentally shrink mike cashmere sweater again. Motorcycles make everything exciting and when geico makes it easy to switch and save on motorcycle insurance. It's even more exciting. I'm gonna fold all my socks into little balls. Yeah geico motorcycle. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Where's your haircut gone. We know you don't get out as much you don't drive by irregular sport clips and pop in for that. Mvp haircut experience. That is so much more than a haircut. But isn't it worth getting out for for that legendary hot steam towel for your basic massaging shampoo. That makes you melt into your seat. Oh man you remember that right. We found your haircut. It's right where you left it. Sport clips. it's good to be a guy. There was a scare for lots today. They knew they were cruising to on up against him club. Bruges club bruges got an equaliser and a winner would see them advanced in the end lattanzio for the win. They finished second in the group bruce. Utah advanced top of crew. That say then that brings the today show. Thank you very much to everyone who is being on. We'll be back tomorrow for more champions league. Talk until then goodbye. Welcome insulate sedition of extra time. Thank you for your tweets. Shock craig and frank with us craig. I want to start with you. Because i promise you talk about here now. Look i'm looking at the camera. Pretend you're not right next to me. The brady bunch jesse just so we can get those on the one i closed. Yeah okay shock. It would definitely have a long blink some stage life said. Tell me about lacey fantastic. Eliane grace card cut dil se goal could have been could have been three when forsberg should school is excellent elian and then normal one year one in by the amount you take off the gas daniel and we know like something's not enough to lead the not let you said to me elliott not an electrical madrid. Kill the game off and they just thought well we'll just keep going. We'll try and get a fourth and a fair for whatever so the left himself open an almost cost them in the end and that as an achilles heel the play some great stuff again. The boston gave him in the middle of the behind them. The five no trouble ultra from came back. Rolled the sleeves up job done. Shocker is the psc sample game. A turning point in football Listen to a lot of debate about players walking off the field when when the field. They feel that they've been subject to abuse by usually talking about funds. But i think both clubs unified action that they did in the moment that with everything seek to both walk off. I hope it sends a message to the wider football for too. This is an action is more kind on. Should seek frank minute something important about that. Sorry about that is the fact. There is no boarding this ten loaders to hear when the referee will sing. And we'll be as well as everybody in the stand. I'm not sure something would have. Come out it's coming. From from their frank manual loose puck pareja out team regressing is at high time and she needs to get rid of song. Shar you have to manages with proven capability allegra and tino sitting unemployed. What is stopping them from looking for better managers. That should be a question for craig burley. He knows exactly what's going on there and how to end south to that. Yeah i think only only should i think there is a there is a time now where you know. You have to go back to manchester united. Used to be an ambitious club with somebody was real experience and players really willing to with shirt as we say in france and really really really really to to die for the club and i don't see that right now and for a long time he's not gonna and i don't think so i don't think they have the stomach to do it. But you know let. Let's look at it one way if if source car if they were to point so scout in the next couple of weeks on the top job up somewhere tooth to a couple of top jobs come up. You can't be on the list but for job. Come up and on that strict. But you could say the same about frank lampard. But he's been at chelsea without any great managerial experience. He's coming after what you did. Dhabi didn't exactly make a big statement there so overall whoa. Whoa whoa whoa. Whoa whoa whoa. Whoa whoa will be all the way to the championship playoff final. Yeah but the accident didn't get promotion. That was one game. I a battling saying well. You know say it lost to reagan affect the show was fact like land part is being. There's no telling the success that maybe they could have had lira. Tell you why you're wrong because this is lung pilots cost four ent management source cosmi monitoring for decades rights with no no real success but lamp is alana is accessible chelsea disease. Being what. you're yeah one saying let's asia source of monies for ten years including the job of set theory resolved on with no notable success in the elite elite level saw four ent management in shock. I was just gonna say lampard zero money to spend funding for instance bridge god chelsea into fourth so understandably ownership table. Okay you showed what you can do with bond spending nothing. We prepared to backyard. And i think he let me go back over this just briefly law. There's an unknown it's unknown but we're going to go because darby county was his first job and then straight off the bucket out. It was an chelsea and source ten years of so of mon engine. That has nothing in there to suggest he should be the manager of the united. The been been moved from norway to germany. Or wherever you not goes misdemeanor every okay. But that wasn't merely got the job with the very fact he was a former player and they needed some the smile on the faces of the marina. Era simplisafe is craig a fortune teller. Yes right jerus- starting and now with manchester united getting knocked out. what's his next predict predict. They are going get town you. So they're going to qualify. All you said they stay said they were gonna call you. Say shutout at this And that's an analysis they would they would go. The jerusalem was wanting team. You didn't break dixon. The united won a result with the counter. You said they get results so clearly. What is your next prediction. I'm gonna come over there and give you know there's folks in the right now. Does this settle the messy against renowned up boston. Pick them today. Renowned also brace events is beating false. Celona today shocking shocking. Did you watch this one. I watch bits of it. But that's a nice. Did you read that. No no i watch. I watch what i want. Remember yeah bosses. Pick those questions be asked to be a question on the run. Within audio volatility be shocked was not shocked at what you'll thoughts on phones performance tonight for forty two year old. It's quite impressive or is it. An indictment is how fast and lucknow they make phone a little bit of both. Actually i mean boxes. There were no threat from messy but before it was good. Fun was very good on on on the credit to but truth be told. This is as poor as as you've ever seen. I mean messy huffed and puffed but other than that goodness me there s hopeful shot. Get not really hope for wall this guy by some oil or something is to do. Some nacho remedy the e can any joint railway. Yeah that makes them not good under installment recall snake-oil visit thing. We call snake oil in trinidad. That might do the job. Bomb need to go back to trinidad to get some yeah. It's been a while. Frank final question founding this covert that has been a nightmare for shock as vacations and really is. He's actually he's actually been off. What was the question. Why else frank. Bring home gallivanting. Your either right. You're either feathers carnival. The comfortable in on the i. If you're getting haircut and harmful valdis boyhood wednesday fan scored again sheffield united and it clearly meant a lot to him frank in your playing days. Did you advocate to score a goal against club that you hated when you were growing up. Well never been a fan so it's no real question for me. I followed in france. You know we're not crazy fund when we we were born and we say okay you're gonna have to follow the rest of your life this team or another one. I follow cindy. Chen bust yards and maasais synergy being born in marseille normally hate bari. Senator matt but he's not really the case for me Enjoy when you school to go. When you're in the premier league or beyond did you enjoy scoring against attain more than others. No i was very happy to hammer any clubs that i played against on. No no one especially no school against ranges. And i didn't hate range support. Raines is by just hate to to the miami won the league solnit. You don't need to see. I don't think let me someplace. The i don't pass anything manning. Thank light la all. They want to do the right rather than the because they don't like another. I mean maybe something to shock and did you enjoy being team than others. I do remember that towering fist. I had for western against cruise on ferdinand could score. Shack was a towering assist. And did you ever see any goals because you quite light to team i as a weekly shock to loaded team so thank you very much to everyone. We'll be back tomorrow from all the big game of course Madrid bruce you go lot by madrid facing elimination and now another edition of news from geico. A study says that soft talkers. Do not make great radio personalities. We asked local librarian. Steve sage about this. And here's what he said. I don't buy the harry. Captivating right here also an obvious news geico makes it easy to save money and easy to manage your policy with the geico app so switching is a really smart decision. How to steve feel about this. I love the geico app. I use it all the time. That's all these news from guy calm.

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RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Big Brother All-Stars Season 22 Preseason

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1:38:13 hr | 10 months ago

RHAP B&B with Mike Bloom & Liana Boraas | Big Brother All-Stars Season 22 Preseason

"Some Game Right Off Sounds Law. As the R. H. A. Day. Lay. Off. I can sell you. The OUR ASE? Hi everybody and welcome to the RHA. Being be for the preseason of Big Brother Twenty. Two. All Stars my lips cannot seem to form those words that this is actually happening in the year shortage Wadi. But it is brought US apparently big brother. All Stars for the first time in fourteen years. Of course, I'm not alone here much as many dynamic duos or people from each other's paths are simulate going to be entering the house. Come this Wednesday I'm here with the CO owner of the BNB as people are starting to check in both house guests and otherwise Leon Boris Liana held the hell did we get here? This feels like a fever dream I am pretty sure I said the exact same thing before winners at war it just but even more. So for this, just because of all of the extenuating circumstances given the world right now in Covid nineteen and. The fact that then. The like this is the reason we're getting all star season like what weird logic did like had to play out for this actually be the kate is it's just all mind blowing. It almost feels like an understand from a certain perspective. If you do want to produce a big brother season this year, you want to sort of bring in people that know the score in a manner of speaking but it almost seems to me like when you're a parent and your kid like had a really bad day and you're like God I could tell you been through a lot. So you know what? Mary we're going to go get some ice cream might treat don't worry about dinner. This sort of feels like that, right? Yeah. Big Brother all stars as the ice cream. Of for the bad day of Covid nineteen and I think the flavor is going to depend on what you feel about this perspective cast but it is such a weird timing and reasoning behind it. All that being said I was firmly in the camp before this announcement before the rumors and rumblings came out a couple of months ago that we would never get another big. Brother all stars just because you look at, you know big brother eleven big brother thirteen big brother fourteen, brother eighteen big brother nineteen all use some combination of returning players playing with new players and so from that perspective you're alike will it's clear from productions is they don't feel like they have enough of a cast fell out a complete all-star season on top of the. Fact that just think due to the extreme lanes and circumstances that these seasons tend to go nowadays I. Think some of the bigger names would not necessarily be up for it. That's a subject that certainly has a maybe approach this season as well. So I was one of many that were shocked that what seemed to be a fan fiction many coin have been tossed. into a wishing well from bb fans alight wishing for an all-star season since season seven what some might consider one of the best speedy seasons of all time low behold on a we are staring down the barrel less than a week away from it actually becoming a reality. That's right. floater is grab your pennies and throw them in the well because here we are the wish. Of. I think for me when I thought of Oh, if we were ever going to have an all-star season, I thought it was going to replace celebrity big brother. Someone's we found on celebrity big brother was going to be gone. It was like Oh years this kind of neat three weeks slot that they've already demonstrated that they can produce a big brother show in that timeframe. This felt like this could be the perfect opportunity to have some of those big names back because of the reasons that you stated before ninety nine days. So long freaking time and sequester people. Yeah both before and then like actually during the show for that long just takes it's toll, and so that was where I thought we were going to get all our all star season certainly not under these circumstances, but I can also speak from my personal experience being under sequester. We played sequester because it was kind of there was nothing else to do so I do kind of wonder if there's a little bit of that in play that like some of these people. Like there's a pandemic going on like why not I'll just go back in the house for this all star, season. especially. Again, if we are taking production at face value, since the press releases have come out, saying all the big stipulations that are putting in place to make sure everybody's healthy to the point that mean listen Leon, we can fill an entire B and c segment, and then some with just everything that has been going around in terms of theories and statements and tweets and ellipses hurled heard round the world it has been. An absolutely wild time to be a big brother Fan and that is coming from a fan of that. It's extremely wild on a good day. Yes this speculation started normal pretty normal. Oh, these are some rumors you know. Oh my gosh it's going to be an all star cast. And full disclosure that sort of has also been a thing several. I feel like several years you know it almost feels like every year it's been like, oh, they're thinking of all stars and then inevitably as the weeks turn, it'll be no no it's going to be a new player cast or throw of rain people in but you have this is one of the few times but like the panning for gold has produced some genuine nuggets. And this ain't no fool's gold neither. Well. Oh. We honestly don't even know I mean it could be I think that's the craziest part about all of this is that because the speculation started I would say relatively routinely what we've seen in other seasons than just continue to escalate escalate escalate really just adds to the whole fever dream of this whole situation because part of me is like what if it's not even returning players I don't know what if it's Labrador retrievers playing a game of big brother not may surprise me in this day. And Age, and especially some of the people that are rumored as of this moment to be part of the cast I mean I think that's part of just the cluster F of this whole situation. I mean, we'll definitely talk about the cast, but you really got an a good idea with the golden retrievers. Here's what I'd like to suggest I. think that you play a season with a bunch of golden retrievers and then like tied to their collar is a picture of a house guest who they're representing. Here's dog diesel ing. Banter will I think that's brand steel I mean I personally love it I think it's look dogs remember that one season of fees were just like when stuff was down, they just show dogs and Katie is that sold over like gangbusters then it's a good way to get big names in the house that might not necessarily want to devote themselves to the cause. You know he could get. It could be an all winter season of big brother just represented through dogs remember when Sam was a robot for the part of this season we just did not twist but yes, with dogs although I have been a long proponent of the wind someone is voted out there replaced by an animal of something. It could be a cat, a dog, a parrot whatever. I think that that will be absolutely hilarious. See that's an interesting sort of like risk reward thing because I could see at least one houseguests wanting to purposely asked to leave the games that they don't have to take care of anymore animals like I did not sign up for this. I do not like animals I am out of here. Yeah. That'd be a really funny reason for leaving the game I don't know does that count? quit. Does that count as a medevac like what if you're allergic. You're allergic if attacked by one of them. Just out how does that animal then get kicked out? I Love Willie. Hands for like laying their paws on somebody. Labrador retriever version of Big Brother. Yes absolutely be. Like, no no. German Shepherd Jason Get Outta here Berman Shepherd Jason please come to the diary room the Dog Room I'm sorry agree room. That sounds like a really bad snl sketches. Certainly does guys guys have a great idea? It's dog brother. Name. Doesn't even What would it be? Do Dogs dogs have breath. What's dog version of a brother? I was thinking earlier like I wonder if something could one up. One up what do you call a group of baseball players and I think we we might have gotten close in the first ten minutes of this podcast. This is any indication the season is going to be insane over here. So, yeah. Here's the thing at the moment. Leon and I are committed to doing weekly podcasts. The being be look there's not going to be much in the fall I. think another reason why this comes associate surprising and exciting is because you know I think the landscape of Reality Television and television at large for twenty twenty is looking a little bleak. We know that survivors not coming back anytime soon amazing race has a season can, but I would not be surprised at the show does not film for a long long time. So you really have to find little shows to subsist on and to have a big helping a big brother people were optimistic about it. So we are so happy to get it in any way shape or form so. During this weekly on on are going to be back with some form of guests whether it's previous being be guests some members of the fantastic Ra jp class of twenty twenty. Some other ran does we'll come on every week to dissect this week. Abebe a BNB fashion not include the return of our preseason predictions as well Leon all what sort of make a promise here on air because as we're going to get into the cast has not and. Will Not be revealed until Premier Day how you and I both swear that we will lock in our predictions day. After that Premiere August sixth we will write things up seal them away and then when people get evicted, we will then read them back just so we're not having to speculate on a bunch of people that may or may not be in the season proper. All right. So first of all, before I address the predictions situation cool rondos you. Hon Bring to the NBA this like yeah. This is my good neighbor Scott. I figured he could come hang out for a bit although to be fair what Scott is very entertaining. Yeah exactly. Listen. We're not gonNA turn away he sort of entertaining person we're not going for super fans here we might be going for recruits. In sort of a casual mood as we'll get into over the course of this podcast. So you know what? New Season New group against here on the BNB there are no rule. If the preseason taught us anything, there are no rules to. ANYTHING WE'RE GONNA announce entire slate against and then like drop half of them and then add some random people that you thought. You'd never hear from before and a couple dogs perhaps perhaps dogs. No I I think that that's a fantastic idea. I think I'm loving the hypothetically speaking series that rob is doing over on the main feed I've gotten to participate not. I. Know You'RE GONNA participate not and and I think those are really fun I think it's fun to have some content before we go into the season but the predictions are actually a lot of work. I, mean not that those guys are but like I agree I want to actually predict can you imagine writing a prediction about someone who's never in the season? Like what would we do that and did that does that like substitute for whomever we've been in the WHO's the closest in proximity in personality type to that person right? Exactly. Like let's say I don't know I mean just like who were replaced Journal type only. Get combs with replacements for some of these people. But yes, I agree. Okay. So perfect. Well, let's let's get into this cast a little bit and again cast loose quotations. I'm glad you mentioned the hypothetically speaking is series that rob has done. If you haven't checked it out highly recommended it's a fantastic refresh us of people we Bayer Bay dot these saying on Wednesday night but basically it's rob it's one of us in terms of a I guess. It's season of the challenge where paired up like a veteran with a rookie. It's one of US paired with one of the people from the class twenty twenty. The did one as she mentioned before I know that most recently a guest on the survivor being beach chantal Francis was one of them plenty of people you'll be hearing from in the near future but rob sort of has like a list right now of prospective houseguests for that season that we are going to sort of keep on our list as we review this sort of review this again, perspective cast through some superlatives this a couple of years ago with BB twenty. Here's how it's GonNa work I'm going to give out a superlative. Most likely to blank in the Big Brother House and Leon and I are each going to offer up our own selections based on again this perspective cast as to who we think is going to fill that superlative the most or have the highest chance of doing. So now just so everyone knows the list that we are working with. This is the. Current hypothetical list of cast members that we are going to be using today So we'll go in first name in alphabetical order we have amber from Big Brother Sixteen. We Have Bailey from big brother twenty Christmas from big brother, nineteen, we have my brother Cody Calif era from Big Brother Sixteen. We have dave on Rogers from big brother. Seventeen, and eighteen. Rehab Danielle did not know from big brother eight and thirteen. We have David Alexander from last season big brother twenty-one got the meow meow himself Enzo Palumbo from big brother. Twelve. We've got winner of big. Brother Fourteen in Terry. We have the affirmation jet Jean Pierre? Zena from Big Brother six seven and fourteen. What up k Sir Ridha from big brother six all stars Kisha from big brother ten that Kevin Campbell Big Brother Eleven a memphis the runner up from big brother ten Nicole Anthony from last season BB, twenty-one Nicole friends all from Big Brother Sixteen and winner of Big Brother Eighteen and finally tyler crispin the runner up of Big Brother Twenty before we get into this Leon so. List of more than sixteen names and there might be surprised as to come come Wednesday. But looking at this, if this were to be a pretty realistic cast for the upcoming season of big brother, what are your overall thoughts? So win. The. CAST started coming together. This wasn't sort of the first listed that got lead people. kind of slowly got added. Some people got removed. When I look at this cast. Now, this is not the cast I would have picked if I was casting a big brother season I'm not mad at it like there's enough people that I'm like, oh my gosh, got he shot I mean assuming or like why cody but also I'm excited there's a handful Christmas of people that I'm not super excited about Blake Kevin I loved heaven and he I never would have had him on my radar probably because I never thought that the big brother producers would ever have him on their radar. So the fact that he was someone that they may have chosen to bring back, it makes me confused in happy all at the same time. I will say you know again, we don't know in terms of casting. There's always rumors about like people being contacted last minute being brought in as alternates than bumped up based on people tested positive possibly but especially looking at it from like a elaine. Going far back perspective because we started talking about this with winners at war, right? How maybe the show found it difficult or it was difficult in general to maybe get some winners from like that Middle School era and that old school era that they did not feel as properly represented as very recent seasons of the show. You know there was at one point when I think like four or five people from bb twenty were rumored to be on at the same time and I. was worried where we're going to go in that direction hell even in the first big brother, all stars had four people nearly a third of their cast was from season six and naturally they stuck together in the very beginning. So I was a bit worried about it but I mean we have two people from the original all-stars. I'm particularly excited to see people representing that sort of middle era like you said like Kisha and Memphis and Kevin Campbell and hell like throw Enzo in. There those are people I never thought that I would see back. But there ones that like from a superfan perspective are talked about so much. It just was like a it's like pie in the sky type of thing that the interesting to see they're not like my God I need to see these people back like you feel about maybe someone like a tyler or Nicole Anthony for instance, but it's nicer of have those things you didn't know you needed until you got that and. Again this is all perspective, but looking at this list in general and guess, are there a couple of question marks? Absolutely they're always going to be question marks when it comes to an all star season. So I am not blanche in particular and especially given the circumstances I. Know You said some people were fine. You know settling down on a house for maybe three months, but I can also imagine at this time that certain people would be like I'm not leaving my family right now. The world is scary like I don't want to isolate myself and submit myself for this game. So you know I can see the group that they got and I will say on the whole I'm I'm interested at least see what they're going to bring whether it's a chance to repeat success a second chance at the game or maybe a way to improve or perhaps absolutely destroy your reputation. It very much feels random to a certain extent and I kind of I kind of like feeling like I never would have expected. Her to be back and to play with amber from TV sixteen. But then I look at them and I think like, no, maybe this could be really cool like Amazon going to have to worry with creepy cowboy eating pickles for her and you know cancer is now gonNa really be. Taryn talked about this on the hypothetically speaking really have it's true. Second chance outranks removed from everything because bb six really did roll into seven because like you mentioned the cast being there and also just being sequential. So anyway, you know I when I when I think about. Some of these players playing again I you know what I'm just happy. I'm excited I sometimes I look for reasons to complain because complaining makes me feel good inside sometimes but. I'm happy. I'm excited. Yeah. I. Think what also might like color my opinion this is you know another league all-star season of Reality Television beside winners at war came this year and it was top chef which did another all star in its own a second all star season and I said at the moment that that seems to be one of the most like random casts ever assembled. It had people from all the way back to season one all the way up to the most recent season but dislike random placements all over the all over the place and it ended up being my favorite season of the show so far. So maybe I'm just like writing that high personally of like interests quickly cast a return player. Shows but I'm hopeful to make it three for three. Very on Australian survivor all stars maybe four for four, this year I. Also questioned speaking of other reality TV shows if we would ever see people that were on the challenge back on one of their original shows. So the fact that we have Bailey and Dave on here, I think shows that you know no rules anything goes. But now also don't they isn't doesn't CBS Viacom owns all of them because they just put up a challenge on. Yes, CBS Viacom are officially that's the vicompte CBS's the name of the company. Now they've essentially merged they sorta like. Dot Mary hyphenated their their names and join in took them both. So yeah, they're they're now officially I think in -veloping allot it calls a again because the landscape TV is so desolate right now that CBS all actors like, okay. Let's pimp out as much old MTV content in say that it's new content just to keep people subscribed. But yeah, I mean, I, it seems like Viacom and CBS have a tight enough relationship but I could imagine a lot of crossover between CBS vh one, MTV, etc unloaded and If they do ever bring celebrity big brother back I really just want a drag queen on celebrity. Would they got adore Delano on ex on the beach for a season like a there's the queen's are slowly making their way onto other reality shows like I'm here for it I totally agree exactly. Well. Let's get into these superlatives. This'll be a way to again sort of breakdown this mish mosh list of cast members that we currently have. So we haven't gone the spelling veto cop since the salad days of channel is one of the greatest big brother players of all time really be the competition but Leon who among this cast you think is most likely to misspell a word about playing the spelling B. Competition. The techno. Tonics Memorial award okay. So I'M NOT GONNA lie I. Did I did talk a little bit with who? Yeah about this and I really only one of his suggestions and this is one of them simply because he wants I asked him this question he said and I quote while it's gotta be someone dumb Memphis looks like a mouth breather. So my hands are is MEMPHIS MOUTH BREATHING MEMPHIS. Yes which I would love as a nickname So my answer is going to be mouth in Memphis I was I don't know why I thought that Memphis was like this big dumb meet had I do not think he is whatsoever. I. Thought. The thing was that he was a charmer and we haven't gotten to Zach is segmenting yet but I thought it was more that he was like a smooth talker not like cro-magnon area. He was the womanizer like that was his whole. That was the whole thing about Memphis definitely not that he was an idiot although he does kind of walk like that like a little bit of the SASQUATCH Walk. But no, I don't think that that was necessarily how is portrayed so I'm GonNa go with similar to. Thought about like who on this cast seems kind of like most Dufy and I had to look at the meow meow I have to go with Enzo here because I could imagine that endo is somebody who just like throw a bunch of letters and try to make a word out of its scrabble style. Yeah I could absolutely see that or maybe he would try to spell your nickname is meow meow like what have you to spell a sound? Like sonnenfeld spelled sounds in the past is very challenging but I don't think that that would count as the scrabble word. No definitely, not I definitely think maybe that's the reason why they should bring back and survivor claimed that they were bringing back classic challenges maybe they should do the same with big brother just so we can have a chance of that back. So the meow can join the hall of Fame With Techno Tonics, and Cal Toru and whatever else was there. I don't know if you saw this. But I think this article that came out today, it was an interview with. Allison Gardner. Radnor you say her name is always a brighter Rodney. Okay. Dowse I thought. On Entertainment Weekly Don Ross I'm pretty sure does the interview and the she is like don't worry the competitions will be big because I think some of the speculation was like, oh, well, if they can't make these big sets, you know because that's kind of been their. Mo in the past versus like big brother to, or they're literally throwing CD's into like a bucket in the wall. I was like, Oh maybe they'll bring that back and then they can bring back from those other coms I don't think that would be the case, but I would be all for it. I would probably something in between of like low budget but heady like I'm always going to go back to the I H or the safety, but whatever it was from big brother over the top which. which was I mean I think would not necessarily play in today's climate but where one percent had the bug and they had to pass the bug from one person to another until the last person was crowned H. H. and need to wear this t shirts that had the leg bug symbol on them because it happened over the course of a day and a half. So in order to know who was who got the bug who got the? Really want to hit the nail on the head like they could reference it. Wasn't two years ago. The theme was like technology last season was camp. This one could be. Just, really embrace it. You know like that's how you overcome your fears just jump on in. All right. Well, let's move on here. So we could imagine as Liana said that a bunch of traditions from big brother will return proper and that of course clouds. I miss that. May Not enough to hear it. So, who do you think the Oughta is going to get the harshest burned from zing besides my vocal chords. Yeah really. Okay. So I, know that her earn her season. Was Ju- like was based on her name. Okay. But I think now like Christmas could be a joke in the house mainly because I'm just trying to manifest that Braun my pennies in the well, some really hoping that it's Christmas while watch out, she might slip on those pennies. And listen there's stuff. Outside of the Big Brother, House and I think you can make fun of for Christmas but I don't think they bring those into the big brother house unfortunately That's too bad. I'm my mouth a little bit of like a big brother meets final destination thing because I think one of the harshest Burns taught history came involving one cody, Caliph your a where you. Talked about essentially joking about the fact that he was cuddling with Christine, making my friends to her then husband and I think that cody sort of missed out on a legitimate Zimbabwe burn because I felt much more on Christine's ended in cody and so I think cody's what and I think that Zing Butt's GonNa come back twice as powerful now. Okay. So I'm trying to remember the history because didn't we do like a history of zinc. time-line yes. Okay. Because I'm trying to remember what Shenanigans hat himself in win. Green crabs. Oh yes. Kathy Griffin came. My God. So wait did he have his kid yet at that point in time? Yes. Because I believe because didn't Britney. Britney was therefore for babies, Ziemba bathing? Heatstroke. Thanks to Nicole Franceville assumingly and passed out. Right which by the way that is one of my favorite parts of the preseason like. WHO started it was probably Andy because he had that really great video with Nicole. About Nicole Franson but like the memes of Nicole Franson has destroyed last name destroyed. Big Brother from the aeons over time has been amazing. Yeah. I do love that like let's just say what you want to buy the big brother community but they will take a joke and they will run it into the ground and then maybe into the mantle and perhaps that into the core of the earth and ever since that one guy randomly said this video that Nicole Frenzel had gotten several people kicked out of the cast by tattling on them. It's just Turn into a nice mimetic to take your mind off maybe seventy other anxiety inducers from this preseason. So I agree I am all in on it before we move onto more fun and games, we're GONNA take a quick break to listen to a word from our sponsors and we are back. So let's keep on keeping on. All right. So because I'm a Weirdo I keep all my notes from all the podcasts I've ever done and I found my notes from the Episode that we talked about the zing bought. So BB twelve. Ziemba. Just gets introduced. Then he gets married then he has a baby babysitting birthday. Then bb sixteen is like you said it's when he was like giving the props, right? He was being nice. The on the challenge was to is to reboot him and then after the competition I believe is when he ended his exactly yes he did his like his actual actual zinc's so then he goes on. innocuously newly angle but since then it's been absolutely insane he runs for president for all of like the he got inappropriate singing of an intern embezzling Zang's plagiarizing Zang's from another candidate speech. Then he gets sent home to planet. Zimba which I don't quite understand then he comes back and he's got like a police force. Then he's in jail and he needs to be freed. So like Zebra it's going to be back in some insane situations or who knows what kind of. Crazy. Things. He will be talking about in bb twenty two while he was always on the run right now. Right so like I would not be surprise. Honestly if in big brother two, thousand, two zing has committed murder. Like under the challeges like wash. Blood off his body's. Police will find out. Oh my God. That just reminds me of breaking bad when he has to dissolve the body and he accidentally does I think Jesse does is like one of the furs up really he does it in the tub not in the plastic or something like that I'm just like. That but for the big, brother You've got too happy abby. hydrofluoric. I go to jail. Put Out. Just. Like mental health. CARE. GotTa. Be Retired like putting okay. Play because I think trotting zing bought out every year has really gotten him into some bad like he used to have a family and now he's like on the he's always on lamb. Story I'm. Looking. Forward to Zing Bot documentary really sunup flex soon. Yeah. Exactly. Deep dive into the Zing bought. All right. Let's move on here. Let's talk about another big brother tradition who is most likely to rock a mandated costume and I'm just going to buzz in here with probably the number one answer family feud style Nicole friends will have to be aware of at least one cost in this season right I mean I think it's Lee she's legally required to wear and other costume. So I did think of Nicole obviously because of her previous seasons but cody actually wore a dinosaur costume and Rocket Ready. Well, remember that it was that week right because that was the weird week when like Jeff proposed to Jordan, and then they did the reset and people were legitimately concerned if jeff had to propose to Jordan again. But but because cody thought that he was done with the dinosaur costume because technically I guess Big Brother Sixteen went back in time. I just redid the week again. He's still had to wear the dinosaur costume. Yeah, exactly. Push the button or whatever. So. So. Yeah. You know hopefully that won't happen to him on this season if it's a sexy costume for my sake, hopefully it will will I'm trying to think I think actually a good amount of these people have worn costumes right? Because I know like Daniel Dinardo I think in a war, a bunny costume that's the one gen complained about the matching white belts. I think Enzo had to wear a penguin costume. Of course, we have the infamous Ian in the dog costume. Jalen cases both in the Arnold Shapiro era that is pre costumes. I'm trying to think about a memphis didn't have to wear Khasambyek an onion necklace. I forgot about that. Bring back the onion necklace. Yeah, and then of course, Nicole Frenzel had to be the brought worst person and she was also a frog and then she was also had to wear the safety soon brother eighteen. Yes. Oh my gosh. The sausage one I. Think is probably the worst 'cause you just carry around that sausage thing as well. Let's not do anything like remember Alex Al I don't like to remember Alex Alpha Mayweather nineteen remember when she had to dress up like a camper and like make hot dogs for a free plenty. And then. Poly California of course, had to bake pies at one time also had a punishment. Yeah. We'll have all had to check to make sure the rooms were safe, and then of course, Tommy Bronco with I'm flying at the speed a smell. was more painful for the fear watchers. So bad. Oh No. Oh my God Mike Sorry. I'm like you know we haven't talked about big brother in a year-over-year right and you talk about survivor drag race, which raises pretty silly but I like forget how incredibly stupid brothers and why I love it so much. This is why because it's so frigging. Let's stay on the Noise Bandwagon. Let's keep the decibels up. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Josh Martinez is going to be on this season, but his spirit may live on the honor who is most likely in this cast to bang pots and pans. This was probably the toughest one for me to answer because looking at the cast none of these people particularly stand out is like are I I'm about to bang some pots pans. The one person I decided to land on was Enzo, and I just kind of have a feeling like others will go him into it like it's not going to be is on decisions can be very josh, ask in that same way of like, okay I'm GonNa poke and Prod Enzo because I think that he's the type of person that would sort of fall for some of that goading. That's an interesting idea. This less so about like their own volition and more. So I guess what happened with Josh's proper which was Paul being like go grab the pots and pans and then Josh. Ran With it and basically ran a marathon with it considering it lasted an season. I am personally going to go with I'M GONNA go with Kevin Campbell here and hear me out because one of the things I do remember about I do think Kevin is a very underrated player in this cast he was one final h. o. h. went away from winning the game and I think out of you know Jesse's entire. Weird. I think he was by far the best player out of all them. Insane. He was able to save his ass multiple times and get him in Natalie into to the final three. Will Remember Kevin for doing was in those first weeks. He was pretty vocal like I remember him getting into it with braid when brandon was being awful an throwing out some racist slurs I remember him getting into it with Ronnie particularly because Kevin at that moment had his arms and his shirt because I think it was so cold and like she was like. Nearly head butting Ronnie but not really and it was the weirdest image ever. But from that perspective like I can imagine Kevin is somebody who maybe to your point like is thinking listen I'm not going to get a chance to play again I don't give any fs right now I, don't have a reputation going into this all banged pots and pans it doesn't matter to me. Okay. Yeah I could I could see that especially if he's like on the outs early potentially or something like that I'm like isn't able to really get his footing is like what I'm just going to cause chaos and this is the best thing to do that. All right. Here's an interesting one because some of these people I would actually say the majority of these people Liana have either been jurors or have been sitting in the final to. My question a Yuliana who's the most likely to be a bitter Juror Outta this perspective cast. Okay. So I know that Danny D'Amato. was friends with four Xiao and she voted for her but I do think and what I was remembered from listening to the podcast was. What I was remembered is that she really likes to work with the people who are her friends and if you're not her friend than it's done so so What got? This. Clown twin Dunn's out of the cloud. Come into season as a twist it's a twin twist. Obviously, it's GonNa be hard though 'cause once clan and what's not a clown until the nose billionaire. Your hair looks much more rainbow e and your shoes are gotten much larger fifty seven to the Dr and just water on. The milio. Okay Anyway. So done zone. Enzo. The to. Go Yes okay. So Danny. Jones. Is the person who I think is going to be the most bitter, most likely to be the better because of her propensity to really only associate with the people that she's friends with. deigned in a really interesting case here because the first time she played I think she was twenty turned twenty one in the house at that point I believe she was the youngest person to ever play big brother and when she made the final two I think. Per partially to perception and partially due to the way that she behaved Jews very much looked at as like the spoiled daughter you know who? who sort of was helped by the fact that she was playing alongside her dad and so that didn't really help her big brother thirteen comes along five years later she's still only in her mid twenties by things. She has a better head about her the maybe it's your point. She has a proclivity to not necessarily vote the most strategically now we're jumping ahead almost ten years with Danny. Denardo. She's married. She has a kid I wonder how much of that like youthful impetuous nece is going to? Be Gone. Now whether that means you know I haven't listened to her her segment yet on rob show but like whether that fire in her startup argument is going to be gone or that feistiness yes screw the vets were going to turn on them if that's still going to be there considering how much has happened in her life between seasons Yeah, I. Think I think yes. Of course, you know there's been a lot of times since then and then this is another thing that was discussed on podcast. It was like well, her dad has always been involved in some capacity with the season's she's been on either throughout the whole way through. Big Brother eight or at least at the beginning in big brother thirteen, and this is the first time. It's almost a little bit heyzer ask in the sense that like this is a true second chance it feels like especially because it's so many years down the road. So it's GonNa be so interesting to see type of person that we see I'm you know we're going to get a good old danny but I think there's going to be maturity that happens there as well. All right. Let me throw one here is a perspective bitter. So Kisha I remember as someone who similar to Danny I think was not afraid to get into. Conflict and I do think one of the reasons why she votes for Dan in the end above Memphis is that she felt extremely burned by the renegades getting ready for at the final four instead of Jerry. Especially, memphis you know she, she keeps Memphis in the game is she was previously working with libra in April, and then April decides on Rachel train to go after Memphis, and that's when Kisha turns on her and the big schism develops that really affects the rest of the season. So personally, I would not be surprised if we face another situation where somebody slights kisha key should goes to the jury and decides not to vote for them. There's some super fascinating connections like if this truly happens and so issue one still gonna like hold grudges against. But then like you said, is there going to be a new inciting incident that may cause this type of feeling I think that's definitely something we could see. All right. Let's move on here in honor of the insert adjective here, Matt Klein's from Big Brother. Who is most likely to just sit there all fall and eat serio. Serio. The triplet with Enzo. Sits episode done zone Syria. Triplet. Twist my God, the Palumbo. Triplets they're making their way in the Big Brother House. Every. Say We make the season bigger? So it's not just a twinge wrist it's a triplet with. What does? He do for a living. The real I imagine is like one of those Eighteenth Century Musketeers. reenactor no like I just imagine a man with a swashbuckling sword and a big mustache and plumed hat. is like a big brother goes back in time. Again he's a man who's just out of time. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Serio. How about? Playing. He's a pirate yes or no? No, he's not a pirate. muskateers where pirate. He said swashbuckler and that just got me thinking. That does sort of inform. The swashbuckling is usually done with pirates. Cereal, WHO's most likely to eat cereal here, and here's the thing. I like many people loved. In Big Brother six and seven but I think there's a non zero chance that do the fact that he really doesn't know anybody and be the game nowadays characters nowadays are just so in-your-face Attic control that my guy just sits there for of the majority to summer just being shale in waiting for that moment that like the FBI shirts and hats prone to wear flip in for a surprise attack that was my answer to. Others. The first one that I answered who's FIT, him I don't know like maybe because he's the dad now is like the big data energy you know he's just GonNa like sit there and eat cereal was absolutely my answer. Do you have another one in mind? My other thought was Memphis because again like I was going for resemblance. Be Ten like her number. Weird Image of Memphis all. The other option that I was actually not too far from Qaysar. So no this was talked about in the Journal segment particularly from Terence Perspective as to like what a BB twenty two Genera looks like and I'm not sure because essentially she is sort of like I, don't know she is sort like the Boston rob of big brother in a way in that maybe the boss around for like the first three season that she played such a large presence and really is a big character that nearly makes it far every time and I don't know if he's going to play like. Boston rob didn't winners at war, which was like a pretty big character. I can imagine her instead just like continually shrinking into the background for some time as long as nobody's targeting me, I'm fine getting rid of whoever and then eventually if if I need to try to win these competitions to try my darnedest, just hanging out in the corner eating cereal with case are in the trip leads just BMI is as long as it's not me. Yeah, exactly. It's a it's a it's a growing breakfast nook. Imagine they built into the House for this season I mean they need it obviously? All right. Next up here. Let's go into the diary room who is most likely to be our dia room yeller it's Enzo. It's Enzo its end though. It's The other the other answer that I was thinking of? The Yellen Dr we saved for the people like chef Joe, who like. Yell at you a very uncomfortable way. But if you consider yelling in the DR in a fun way than it would be Dave on because I think like she just gives such great confessionals reason why they use her so frequently on the challenge for all of those confessionals. And she does speak louder. But in like a fun way like not a chef Joe, I wanna make that point abundantly. Clear. I would say that I think Dave von from a Dr Perspective is going to be the most game for what the producers throw at her and subsequently I think they're going to be the most game to like work with her. You know because I think that from working in the challenge like you said, he's made a career out of commentating on things and so I could imagine a situation where like I know situations I had been brought up in the past like Oh you know. Production fend me this line to say I could legit see Dave like working with production to script out things to say in the dining room together Yeah. I could see that too and I think that that's maybe why she so good at it is because she can take sort of the input then really make it her own because I mean you see her out of d. r.'s and the chief justice. Funny. She's just as entertaining. So you know that like okay. Yeah. Maybe production is quote unquote scripting some of them her but I think she really lays ball lays the game she's on a team of players. That all make the confessionals but she delivers them flawlessly. She is big sister. My God I forgot about that deer remember when during big brother eighteen when the first twelve episodes. Sorted out with the Unicorn stick to do. Yes. Each of the teams and they'd like go through and say their names. Yes I unfortunately do remember. Something that's going to be burned in every big brother fans heading including the number that remains it's just things you will never forget and you're stuck in your grey matter. Man Yeah didn't they when they were saying we are big sister they like all said one. Right like they're doing some sort of like improv exercises or something yes. Loved it. Yeah. Exactly and I, was trying to remember there was there was the freakazoids. Team Unicorn and then I can't remember the fourth team. We are big sister and then yeah what was the other one? Apparently it wasn't. Like the Ringo of teams. We owe category four. God that was was French team. Are Frank. Michelle, polly, and bridget. Hey what category for because we're a storm. We need we need our cloud service. Is Like I need my niece, you point these clouds. It doesn't sound as masculine when you're saying your boy needs his clouds. That just sounds like he gets frequently sunburn and he's Hoping. To. All right let's move on but let's stay in the Dr Liana. Who Do you think is most likely to cry in the diary room. This is the person to do so. Okay. I wrote Nicole parentheses either. Sly. I thought I personally was Nicole Anthony. Because like I, don't know I'm hoping the best but fearing the worst coal anthony especially coming in as a fan favorite I just really don't want her to get to face the same treatment she did like getting shunned again by the quote unquote. Cool kids. But like I hope there's not a scenario where like now she's she has to get super emotional early on about how on the out she has again no. That is my concern for her as well. Is that especially because there's you know so many pre existing relationships with any other members of the cast in part because either they played together or just because they've been these BBC's streets for so long you know I think it's good that. David hopefully is there as well and so at least it'll be like someone else but hopefully, they'll be able to use that to their advantage be like look listen we're numbers us us will work with you all that jazz. Yeah. Hopefully, it's not going to turn into like again what case are tried to do in big brother all stars, which was like, Hey, season sakes is targeting chill town. We don't need to do that like Lions Hyenas. Let's go after these floaters. Let's go after Nicole mess or at Diane People Are Marcellus people who are not necessarily going to be with us because it's really going to it'll be interesting because again the casting sticks previous relationships are just a weird little spiderweb. was was possibly, Tyler. Because I guess much like of Danielle this'll be the first time. He's not playing the game with Angela even though they found love in the BBC house, there could be a thing where he legitimately feels pressured will not have that person to turn to. I'm sure they're not. They're not gonNA. Do this like Bragan celebrity guests because of the whole situation but like bb wreck says shows up starts playing some of her songs Tyler starts crying. He's like this is where I found my love and that's where we get the crying. Yeah exactly doing be put her in like I don't know a has matt suit and have her sing. Under out in the Field. Zing. Bug. Zindabad. Horrible. To. Know do you think they'll dusing? It'll probably just see someone from production that's been quarantined with them that they'll exotic there. Yeah. Okay. All right. Usually it's usually some from production and we we'll get that I. wonder if that one guy who's you know he was the annoying alien and he was the grandma and who is the guy? Do you think he's going to get quarantined I hope so i. I would start a gofundme me to help pay for his hotel room for fourteen days so that he can come into the season it's going change or a petition going get big Dig John Twenty to write it up I'm signing A. Yeah it's a good. To think about because, yeah he would have to be quarantine to be able to be on the season exactly especially if they're going to send him in there, you know so So yeah, absolutely but he needs to be he's become a staple. Alright, final, superlative here, Liana initially like Oh who's most likely to appear on CBS soap but I was looking through it. There's actually like a slide show that CBS put up and a good amount of them actually murdy been on CBS soaps. Like cody was on one I think amber was online at one point. Journal I think was on two and a half men tyler is on. So like a good amount of these people have already been on. So Liana who is most likely to appear on another CBS dame show or reality show in the near future. What do we talk and we talk and candy crush we talked. Could be could be anything from like those short-lived game shows to larger game shows to like I'm going to go onto the amazing race. ooh I. Love Island. Oh my God. Love Islands. I didn't even think about that. As an option I was going to say the first person adopt like just Oh, David David idea go onto like a love island absolutely yes he's so attractive and he would be, I, mean I have no concept of if he would be perfect for Love Island. But in my opinion I think he would be great talk to me about your thoughts on because again in sort of a weird cast I think David sticks out the most in that he technically was not even voted out. He was eliminated I he did do to Camp Comeback last in the house for an entire month I think, maybe that's what caught a lot of people's eyes to wanting to see him get a legitimate second chance. What do you about his second chance through the venue of Big Brother? All Stars. Yeah I mean I. Think This is interesting I? Think you know based on also some of the other people is been all its brother some stars, not big brother. All stars a you know what I think. He had a lot of promise. And I, think being able to see him like you said throughout those four weeks that he was just chilling camp comeback. Think he showed he he's got got a lot to prove and I wanNA trust casting what they brought back Kelly Wentworth probably not the same people. Own the same. Bigwigs, Blob of. God CBS. CBS adding. And just you know what I'm going to trust their gut. Because like Kellyn their gut is sometimes right probably sure and let's take. Let's take a chance are David. Exactly like it's a thing of like listen if you're going to have one less spot or you're going to bring on David and if you want to see David on another season anyway sure. Give them another chance just don't give another bs you know day one elimination twist David won't be happy like find just lasting entire week in the Big Brother House. Oh my gosh. Could you imagine they go through this whole process multiple Cova, tests quarantining Yada Yada Yada for there to be a night one elimination. would be ridiculous I feel like if they if they walked him with a with a surplus of houseguests, they walked him with like eighteen houseguests I could see that to be like. All Stars is is in playing games. Here we're taking seriously. So what have you is going home right now but who likes those nobody on Earth on planet? Zing likes those days one and eliminations in all star season when you'd think the show would be like, oh, we're excited to see people back and one of them's gone like literally no one because even if you're just a super casual watcher, the show I feel like still you're just like, oh I just like getting to know these people have something else exciting happens someone doesn't have to go home it's just such a gut punch I feel like it's just incredibly rude how I mean, at least the past two times with Cameron and with David. With Glen actually they were given opportunities to come back but I guess due to data as well. You know I think a lot of people also spoke about the fact that with the inability to sequester people after their voted out there's a significantly reduced chance they would do some sort of battle back system at least in the pre jury which means hopefully did they don't feel like they have the right to do a day one of action Yeah. Exactly I just think that the. the technical aspects of it would be probably challenging. So I hope we just had our while whatever who knows my hope is that they didn't institute much like. That, you could see that they sort of into instituted extinction survivor thirty eight to bring it back for survivor forty. I hope they didn't bring Kim comeback in last season to trotted out again, this season my gosh could you imagine what they were planning on doing an all-star season all along for bb twenty two. What's their whole logic was like okay. Well, let's wait one more season. We're GONNA try out this whole camp comeback things. You're faves are voted out and they get actually stay for a whole month that would be oh, my God Mike. I think it's real. I think you crack the code to be fair. This is the this year's the twentieth anniversary of Big Brother. You know it's a lot of these reality shows like to do special seasons in honor of certain milestones. Mike adds fuel to the fire that is the big brother preseason. Let's get out there on the streets and started pushing this because I. Love this Eerie won't touch it as a writer to our bring dig Johnson into big brother twenty two. Petition it's. Worth. It. All, right. Well, I actually I'll give one more suggestion here for appearing on another. CVS game show a reality show because this I think is like one person we really haven't talked about that much and it's the other winner who's going to be on this season. I could see if this is sort of a gateway for Ian Terry back into the spotlight him appearing on like another Rando Reality Show like I'm pretty sure he was on the big brother prices right as well. So he's not like it's not beneath him to do these things despite how cerebral? Okay. Like flavor of love but it's Ian of no backgammon of love. And Ian is they'll do the same thing because. Questrom, all put them in flavor of love's flavor flav old house although that's probably been burnt down. For Four. Hope. It's been burned down since Julius for closer something. Probably. Yeah. I. Think that like he would be this charmingly oh Ian. I see in the bachelor especially like when he does if he's wearing his like finale, get up you know when you had it been like that nerd glow up. I could imagine geek. Beauty and the Geek Oh. Yeah. That I loved that show so much is that I don't know maybe had a globe sense. I honestly haven't really kept track of him but if not, that could be or he hosted, he hosts and the eat mu I'm living proof that he can turn into a beauty. Turn. Exactly I don't know I, feel like being nowadays. Like in cells on the men's side, you know. That's true. That might be uncomfortable. Well. The on is there anything else you WANNA say about this cast proper before we move into maybe some other people's opinions about the idea of all stars no I don't think so I'm just ready for this whole thing to star it's been a lot of speculation and I want to just sink my teeth in. Yeah. It's going to be a nice little bite of something hopefully not of slop with that's a question as well I know people were speculating about, what do you think you think we're getting slopped a season. ooh, that's a good question. I just always assumed it was going to be there. It's Kinda. You know death taxes and Slop I. believe is what they say. But further all-stars possibly not also because. I guess the question together I was like, can I eat out of a pot together that I realized how dumb was as it was forming in my head. Well, the thing that I'm personally thinking of is last season there was some controversy you know around. Possibly breaking the have not rules and as a result, there was a little bit of suspicious timing where like after all that happened have not ruled were suspended for the rest of the season I did they only did like? Three four weeks of have nots in general. So I wonder if they're going to try to like poke that bearing again, that's another one that initiative night. One of actions that I'm just like over like I'm fine getting rid of slop should they bring back peanut butter and Jelly? No I think what they can do is instead do like if they have to do something because that's the thing they're not doing have not competitions anymore. They're not doing food competitions anymore. It's been replaced by your road, kill your den of temptation your wack. Tippety. Can. Give a straight face while say that name. Yeah but they've had like those Sunday night competitions that the past couple seasons it's pretty much just been determined by the head of household. So like I just don't feel like in needs to be there at all, just have people eat what they want to eat at it and make people more irritable but more often than not and makes them just very lethargic and therefore less likely to stir up anything. No I think it's very much like the vestigial limb of Big Brother, right? Like at one point it served a purpose and we liked it. But now you know what we've evolved past that we probably don't need it anymore. Yeah. I mean again, maybe if they're feeling like, okay, it's a shortened season. Two smaller casts we are rescaling things back. Maybe we don't necessarily need slop or they could veer into a completely other territory. Say This is all stars they gotta do slop or take a third option because I don't know if you remember early on but slop was first introduced in big brother seven because they were like these are all stars they're not just going to be eating cabin Jay we're introducing something new God only knows what they could bring about to the table that's going to be more detrimental to these people been swapped I. Really don't WanNa now. Okay. So we talked about our opinions and like Mike. Alluded to let's talk about some other people's opinions and those people specifically our our favorite casuals. Yes over there on casualties corner. So what I did is I went to the I was GonNa say survivor facebook page when cheesy big brother facebook page where there was at the time I looked one post just one post announcing big brother twenty two. There were thirty seven, thousand combat. Concentrate it in one post. Exactly. Needless to say I did not read them all although not for lack of trying it's because the facebook page crashed on me when I got to around like five thousand and then it just came. Out there it's a lot of like yards or. Way, so some of those I had to cut out but I think I found really solid group of comments for us to talk about. So Mike, the way this is GonNa. Work is I'M GONNA. Play a game here where I'm going to give you a multiple choice question where I'm GonNa read four statements or comments from the casuals hey jr but one of them I wrote three are real. So it's up to you to guess which of the ones I wrote. Okay do you have any questions before we begin I'm just intrigued in general because again as we talked about all sorts of something that Super Phantom has been wanting for years are the casual similarly excited because I also have seen some people I think genuinely and you know. Respectfully speak up and like don't do that at this time you know. Yeah I would say more often than not. It was excitement for a returning players season although there were a number of people that were like this is like either don't bring black back returning players. At, all because we want new people to play, which is something that we see on the survivor page all the time but less like Oh we don't want a big brother season to happen at all people who are in at least those were commenting. We're just in general like opinion on it happening at all. Well, that's good. As long as we're, we're on the same page going to this season I think our opinions are going to wildly diverge in t minus four or five days or so. But for now, we can remember these good times I mean also remember the range of information potentially available to the people commenting on this page or anyone in general is. They only saw the post that big brother is coming back August fifth all the way till in the streets with us on, you know getting all the all of the rumors and all of those things as well. So there's really a wide range of comments although definitely towards one side versus the other you can guess which one that is up. We'll get into some of the thoughts that the casualties are having and really see where were their feet or their clown shoes are at at the beginning of the season. Yeah I. Wonder If Ends Brothers have jumped in at all, I mean again, still waiting for the triplet twist or getaway. Okay, let's start with the first question in. These are all about speculation so much like we're speculating the casuals are speculating as well. A Can't wait Taylor in Heaven Sean Stephen. Okay can we can? We pause for that once I I why did they sound like they saw the mouse from big brother sixteen with an automobile. Now They make their excited for names listed were was winner Kaelin. This is Caitlin. Lynn, have. Been, Kevin. Maybe, they're tagging people no I mean maybe they tried to tag people. Mount Rushmore. This is their mount rushmore big brother players. Yes. Kaelin Kevin Sean and Steven. I was like, have we ever seen Stephen Play Stephen Day goal the the the Rodeo guys slash porn star from big brother ten. Yup. Google told week says Oh. Yes. That's right. There was a stephen. So I don't know maybe they're just a you know a connoisseur of foreign and they're like Stephen. Life. Bring him back. Sean is the name of another big brother contestant that they're like. Oh. I know them as I dunno sean big balls but. But on your screen they're known as James Hughley. God. would be as for name. Okay. This is Sean Big Ball. He think that's a good name. Sean big balls. I Dunno I mean, that's not my jam. Big Balls in particular. Searching for but. There's some people was their vote for them. Do a very specific clientele. Okay. So that was the only comment A. Good, start. Comment beep. I met. Once at a Karaoke Bar, I, hope she gets to play. Bronco Teruyuki Bar I don't WanNa. Like would she announced that she is a math genius after every song like I don't know. I'm not change actually pick willing to songs that have numbers do in collect calculation. See, OMG dot they said legends thumbs up emoji. Then it says edit just saw Chris Mrs on the season mercy face. Palm. EMOJI. Oh, Uncle Jesse responded. I. Didn't know he was a big brother Fan. And D, I would love to see Paul play again and Derek and honestly Dan and Gina Marie. One of those things is not like the other. I'm. Say he wrote De. I did not. Be Brunch Kariuki Bar. Men Bronte I should've known Brunton would never step foot in a carry okay. Barton nearly not enough science going on there was like one of those mad lives where it was like okay. Do Form Big. Brother player in a weird location. Is What I came up with? All right. Well, let's see if the next question you can fair a little bit better on this also casts speculation. A. I. Really Really. Think that it's the Nolan twins time to shine. Okay, we'll wait until you meet the PALUMBO triplets her said. WE'RE GONNA wind up that to us. All right be cleese. Don't let it be Frankie Paul Cody Jessica Pauline Vanessa Amanda or mccray. C. Is Connie. Chung going to be on it. No Oh that's bad on somebody levels. The I. Better. Not See Paul one pandemic at a time. I think you wrote Di. I did not. Keep telling with. A nice likely on Zinger. I'm definitely going to stick to my repertoire, my Rolodex of Zingers. At a time feels like a good catch phrase like I'm like I can't see this person one pandemic at a time. No I wrote the Nolan. In twins one. I was wondering I was like, what did she right one that would just randomly mentioned people yes. Of course the no Lynch win fortunately is not their time decide I don't know which one is more lives is the more likely to come back to I. Guess. So I know they're both kind of the pop up from time to time doing like acting things. So I think both of them are still like chilling Hollywood although that'd be was like four years ago now that I knew that so who knows Okay. So this category is all about nicknames. A. HOPE THAT BEARD JERSEY. On. Beard Jerseys Yup. Be impeached the POT Banger oh. Okay. See No more low who'd all? Would love to see a, where are they now a two hour special big brother where are they? Now, I'd love to know how chicken Georgia's how about the twins switched out tweet. What about cowboy is he still in Oklahoma his biological sister who is in the house? Do they have a relationship excetera excetera? ooh. I I'm not, GONNA go. I've been burned by deep twice before. So I'm not going to go with those are very specific call out including cowboy living in Oklahoma. Don't make. Did he live in Oklahoma? Remember all right as I looked this up I'll some some heavy thinking here. So we have a beer, JERSEY? We have what was be again up in the pot banger. Yes. Little Poodle Is it little or L. I.. APOSTROPHE al.. It's just L L., but the L. is capitalized the P. is not capitalized. So it's a little poodle. Poodle sort like where the emphasis is. I'm going to go with I'M GONNA. Go with impeach the POT Banger. I wrote see and. I was thrown off by the by the type. So that that was a nickname for PU. Yeah. They came from somewhere. It was created by Jewish analogy Lascher and to be honest I can't really remember. But that was the inspiration for with no more low poodle listen I'd like to see a little poodle play play big brother one day. When they have the poodle season. After the Labrador retrievers and I think we'll see that happen we have all dog stars then little poodle really. That's right. All right. Well, Mike, There's you still have a chance to get a greeter then then fifty. Right. So I don't quite are outside I looked it up cowboy doesn't live in Oklahoma honestly the only two things. I. Remember a cowboy Nicole's it's Hawley and that one food competition bree hats address of like. Your Revenue Fan yeah. I. Remember that. Oh, my gosh. See again like the silliness that his brother love to see it. That's an image that we burn in my Mike because I think he didn't wear pants and he wore the line cost was. Based, he s legs in the line. was like, Oh, my gosh, I need to set. So currently your name is saved in my phone as Mike Jimbo, the Elf Bloom. So. Now I think I need to add a profile picture for you and I think that's what it's GonNa be alright. Somebody find a picture. Please of Michael Cowboy Ellis dresses the lime in. By? Amy This is. Okay, let's talk about now. The casuals did have some concerns over Kobe. And how the season was going to happen, and so they of course, shared those thoughts on the facebook page. So Comment A. I hope they have to sit six feet apart at all times so they can't whisper. Lol. We're all trapped in our houses. Why the heck would we wanNA watch a show about being trapped in a house see will have spit hand sanitizer at them this season. or D I feel like it's going to suck with them not all hanging out together. All and us ones like very sincere as opposed to like. I'M GONNA say. CA feels much more of like a survivor comment than a big brother comment. But it also feels like I don't know how much. are watching the live feeds to comment on the whispering I mean I think that is probably one of the biggest complaints about the Lai just how much whispering goes on I feel like you did that. So I'm GonNa say that was a d wrote alien. I wrote Z. O. Tests meeting hand sanitizer. So close close close good logic. Yeah. I do like that idea though of like I don't know where we'll be like. The the mask, the singing mask. Wrapping Mask. A rapping mez young what would it say? I'm trying to think so. But. Would it sounds like something like that that it would said it would be covered up so it'd be like. RULE REASONING CAMPUS He was a victim of. What can we can we can Then it's got yes. Oh my gosh, and then like instead of the rock hands at that one have had, it would be like two hands with spray bottle lying and have the hand sanitizer. brought. Back David's. Daughters the wrong heads hit a tyson. See. Yeah, call us look at all our great twisted your well. All right So these are some other concerns that the casuals had in general for this big brother season. A another bb question mark because we already have bb Nigeria? All K B Don told me that there's a lot of controversy this year. I. Hope it's not a rerun. D They better not bring back slop slop is for horses. I think they'd say horses. Flop his for a horse slow for or says. Okay. So we got big brother Nigeria. We've got dawn whoever she is told them about drama. We've got the Slava's for horrors of C.. C. Was I hope it's not a rerun. Who? I'M GONNA say. You wrote. I'm going to say you wrote Slop is for horses I did. Good for you. Thank you. Yes. I did write slop is for horses, which is again another one of those like aardvarks. No that's specific. Michael notes me. I was GONNA say well, that's more like I feel like the phrase is more. So Hey, for horses. Also. Don't I mean I. Guess. Horses, wheat oats but I eat like slop. What else is in Slab? Didn't they publish the recipe for stop by Rob once? Yeah he did. I think it's got like protein powder in it like I think I think I'd probably does have synnex. I think they're able to like bake it so I can imagine it's like an consistency. Yeah I think it's like mostly. Because it is a meal ask but. I don't know. I've been trying to divide my time trying to find this picture of. Course. All. Right. Well, I'm sure someone someone will find them. I've I've found something shall hound. Steel oats way protein isolate, soy protein vitamin, and mineral powder, and twelve cups of water. Okay good. Well, you know that's good to know case ever decide to make slop although it is for horses so I'm not. Wearing, the Kentucky Derby anytime soon. and not me I got my been sloppy HAB but. No. From Syria. Plus. Wash Buckling. News I at Checking into a pirate for me. All right. All right. Like I said the casualties were pretty excited about a season of big brother coming back and so this next set of comments were all about just that. Excitement and what? What what they're they're most excited about are. So a would. Do I have been spending entirely too much time on tiktok. Be So excited I can quit watching hgtv what. People discern just over Clare Brothers asking you to like quit other things you're watching this is invested it. I. Love this one so much because I like no, what's for this is not clockwork orange. No one's seeing you to watch age chain TV. UNSTRAP myself from my chair. Thank God. Thank. God. All right see. Thank God I don't have to be a family dinner anymore. D. Just by cameras and our house Yobe entertained. Long. I don't know maybe he delivered it but it sound very seductive like, hey, filming doing stuff. Yeah, that was entirely the the emphasis by reader. All. Right. So we have a filming being sexy we have. Too Much tiktok too much hgtv and ditching family dinner Yes. Well I hope you would not want to shirk family responsibilities I'M GONNA. Say You wrote a and we just say you wrote that this person will now no longer needs to be on Tiktok 'cause they can watch the live feeds. That is a real person which do feel for. No he did right thank God I. Don't have to be family dinner ready. I wonder. TIKTOK and big brother like direct substitutes of one another terms timewasters. I guess so I didn't quite. I, mean I also wouldn't HDTV and big brother would be interchangeable buddy involve a house just one involves the inside that never changes for a hundred days. Or other that are you know being property brother or whatnot? Yes. So I don't I don't quite get the association but good for those people they'll be able to finally quit doing the things that they've apparently been stuck doing. Okay, MIC, final question. These are also about general excitement for the season. This is an I. Don't know how to. Okay. This is an all caps. Okay my way to Japan to what's review. Of the me I'm not well sorry to tell you a mystery person. I am not interested. Okay. Be Call, me a biscuit and butter my bonds Oh. No and no. Offers like HDTV. To. See Wow cut my legs and call me shorty. Own. Oh Head Renault. Thank the sweet baby babies alive. We will have a BB of thank. The sweet baby is alive. They didn't do anything. Just, look I. Don't Know Time I see asteroid. Thank him personally for. Big. Brother. Okay. So we have apparently the talking wrapping mask saying, please wait until I. Go back into Japan to watch big brother almost like a threat we have butter my biscuits we have cut my legs off. Omission already if you didn't just say see I was Gonna say because that does sound Liana catchphrase but I think you went with something similar like you wanted to go with a similar like well, blank blank blank I'm going to say you went with buttermilk biscuit and Put Butter on my buns. Call me a biscuit and butter my bonds. Yes that was me although credit goes to my mother she said it to me once and I remember thinking what the hell did. You just say that I made a write it down because I was like I will need this out one point in my life and I, was like. Did you write that thing down that? My Mom said that one time when she was excited about something. Happened One millionaire did wait. So someone legitimately wrote cut off my legs they'd go shorty. My life well, cut my legs and call me shorty about time. Like. Is. This supposed to be? Something you want to be done to you or is it like I'm in? So disbelief? I have no idea I. think it's in disbelief. It's like an excited thing me and that's the category that I put it under. I am so. I'm so intrigued by this. It's so confused. I mean I don't know like. Should I use this? Do I just bury this away in my brain and forget that it ever entered? I don't know what to do with this phrase. I wanted to be like I. Think if you're trying to be like a hysterically intense about a situation, you cut off by legs and call me shorty. So it's like it's like an oh so it's not like a happy thing. No I think it is a happy thing. But if you're like over exuberantly happy about something that you can like explode. I think that that's what this person was going for. They were just so excited especially, the well period cut my legs and call me shorty. Do you think that maybe this is the person that like The the one that's flying back from Japan. They're they're so excited to go to this watch party and they'll find out that the other person cut their legs off. It's sort of like a gift of the situation where it's like I flew all the way to Japan to see. Your legs. Popular Christmas. Now. To the sweet baby is alive. While, you're these shoes and I bought you tickets anywhere but Japan. This is all Tiktok fall or HDTV. So terrible, we already had bb Nigeria. We didn't need this. Off Debit, I gotta go back to tiktok butter my biscuits. That's right. WHAT IS SALT? My Biscuit? Yeah I. Guess. A. Crumble my biscuits. Nobody. Wants a crumbly biscuit. crumbled. unspoilt by. The way you destroy biscuit so that nobody can enjoy. Yes exactly. They say if ever like you have to return your food for some reason restaurant overly salt it that way you know it's the exact same food if. That's what. If you're the exact opposite of buttering a biscuit is sending it back to the kitchen overly salted nuts sent back the biscuit honestly have no idea. I've never sent back to my entire life but I assume, yes, those things are the diametrically oppose. Situation to me. It makes sense to me no need to cut off my legs on this one. That's right. All right. Well. Congratulations. I don't really know you got two of them correct okay. That's better than zero or one. That's right. which we have our casts could be zero, two or one out of the people. We think you know what who cares because. I had a great time I was so happy to check in with the casualties and just a bit of a teaser. I, know we're going to save plugs for a few minutes from now. But Liana we have been living amongst the casuals for so many years and four. This special season I'm going to be doing something special. I'm going to be doing a casual cast assessment of this perspective cast of Big Brother twenty-one. It's going to be featuring people you know I'm going to be talking with Nikki Danza from Australia survivor, Shannon, gusts from HP and survivor expert and Bryce Isaiah from the Purple Pants. PODCAST, and essentially it's going to be a bit of a game I'm going to show them a picture of a house guest and they're going to they're going to analyze them for me not knowing who they are whatsoever and why they're on a season called big brother allstars. But let's see how close they get for the first time Leon. We are doing casuals cast assessment coming to your feed zoo on Rha. All my Gosh I'm really really looking forward to this I I just a that nothing warms my heart more than people making judgment calls based on so little information I can't wait to hear I. Mean Listen We're only doing like one more degree above that at this point especially considering once again, the cast is nowhere confirmed. Oh. Yeah. Exactly. Like a you know those in. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Yes and I'm throwing stones. Make reference to a big brother like show that got sued for being too much like. Bring that back hey, maybe that's an interior. You can go on next. Yeah exactly. Though I feel get very I. Don't think it was a literal glasshouse otherwise it would get very hot. Oh. That's a good point. Yeah. glasshouse effect Israel baby. All right. Well, we're going to finish things off something we've been doing newly instituted on our survivor rewatch on the BNB. This summer is you know there's a lot of silliness and fun stuff going on this summer especially with big brother twenty two around the corner but we also know it's a very important time for a lot of causes. So we figured every week on the BNB. We would go to our charity corner unlike the breakfast nook that. Case are and the PALUMBO. Are Sitting at eating cereal and we highlight a cause for that week that we felt was meaningful for people to donate to and Liana I know you had one in particular in mind for the couple of BBB and beat podcast for doing this week. Yes. Okay. So we are going to be to be doing this for all of the podcast this week I'm actually I am I, plug it everyone on. On drag race to anyway but not important we? Yes. The charity that we're GonNa be doing this week is the Natural Resources Defense Council. So this was an idea that I had based on the survivor episode talk about Banana, etiquette and I was like what's similar to Bananas Nature in general but my stupid reasoning shouldn't take away from all the great work that they're doing, and essentially what they do is just a lot of work to safeguard the earth's whether it be climate change or animal protection. All of those different things they work on and so if you want to donate to them, you go to N., R., D. C. Dot Org, and then there's a big orange Dona. DONA BUTTON DONATE I wonder if that would be like a doughnut button where you get a doughnut. That would be or it's just a picture of a doughnut that you press and there's no prize but just the satisfaction that you you did something good. Well, you can have the satisfaction of something. Good. You don't eat today. So again, that is an RDC dot org big orange donut don't don't. Often, the top rate corner because this is the earth that we have right now, and this is the earth that we're going to give to our descendants. The twin's triplets all of the money needed a better earth to live in our clown descendants need to be safe on a healthy earth and so the NRDC helps to do that. Yeah. It's almost like it's going to be a weird comparison but we are all living in one house in a manner of speaking with big brother and we always you know chastise the house guests for leaving things messy leading and get everywhere and in general, just leaving it an absolute waste and. That has been done to our earth in many respects than I. Think the work that this particular cause does doughnut. But in included helps clean up the house in a manner of speaking to make sure that people can live in it for years and years to come exactly and so we all have to do our part and they're doing some really great work to help ensure that we can all live in this house and be healthy and happy. Well, I am so excited. Liana. To be talking about a very different house coming in just a few days I'm so excited we're talking about it through the Lens of the rich API BNB. Look survivor podcasts or of any concern but if it comes to like what do we talk about this week, we could come up with so much tangible general stuff we can look to. Ebay. Again, we can go to big brother Fan fiction again, the big brother world is a is a well ethnicity properly pumped by the being being by God we're going to do it this season. I am so excited that a this season is coming and be you know I know you're probably GonNa be on the live feed updates as well, but we're GONNA to get to talk about it through the lens through a very silly show through a very silly podcast. As much as I love. Taryn he does have a tendency to approach brother from various strategic perspective which I think is. Super valid one superfund. Another one of the reasons why I love big brother so much is because I think a game to me it's more interesting than say like survivor just because of the the way that the dynamics. But My favorite part about big brother is the absolute insanity, the Zing Saga, the House Gas, only dot com just all of the craziness that we see with her brother and I'm so excited to be talking about this with you especially because we've never done big brother weekly for the BNB. This is GonNa be our first time doing it and you best believe A. Cut. My legs call shorty because I am excited consider our biscuits buttered not salted in about this season. So yeah, we're going to have guests TB including. We don't know WHO's coming back next week but will certainly have some people in our doors each and every week that being said we would love to hear from you all. If you have any suggestions as to games, we should be playing whether about the big brother week or about big brother in general please you can tweet them to us using the Hash Tag. B. N.. B., that's our age AP a letter beat the letter and the letter B. or you can email us R. J. P. B. N. B. at Jamile dot com literally send us everything and anything even if it's just like an idiom game of is this thing that people say or not as we've talked about that as a very rife ground to plant seeds in so we can certainly do that and who knows. How many weeks have to talk about people are alleging that it's going to end in late October. But who truly knows we are flying blind here but I could not have a better co-pilot the what other of vehicles are you driving in a manner of speaking podcast wise on our JP right now Well, of course, we are doing the RJB for survivors. Now at is you've got two franchises or religious, the branding moving along. Yeah. So we're doing that were recording to cover. We just did Micronesia. and. The F.. Ing Stick episode and then coming up, we're GONNA be doing heroes villains, and of course, the infamous I don't even know like double idol episode with emerge so fun. Look out for that that'll be coming up soon, and then we talked about this the Big Brother podcasts preview podcasts at Rob's doing I talked about cody who was leaving or not my top choice of people smart. I want someone so. Like not. Cody's on dumb. But like I wanted to in low stakes because you know like, oh my gosh like Jim now and Ian and Danny and people who are like super fans. Califiornia Elkin I'm I'm with you. I'm doing Christmas slash amber some. With you. All my God Mike. This is why we're Choas. We like the same like this like. Serious again. I'm just here to chill and then what else? Oh. Yes. So who is Kelly is doing ninety day fiance Yonsei Coverage four, idiot's GonNa have its own feed all that jazz. He's going to do like a weekly recap podcast where it's like this weekend ninety day fiance for the first week because there's to a series that are going on right now I joined him as a guest on one of those talking about happily ever after that should be out now and I, believe the other one about the other way just dropped. So if you are a ninety day fiance fan are JP is now doing weekly coverage check that out it'll be in. The reality TV your half of speed until its own feed get started. That should be out soon. It's so interesting. You know I think we have like a momentary spell with nary a drink of water on the reality TV to the point where we're doing these re watches and tough as nails coverage and stuff, and now we're getting a flood between big brother and now this new ninety day fiance coverage is a great time to be a reality TV fan speaking of tough as nails. We are halfway through the series and Myself Rob and Jessica lease were joined once again by show runner and Creator and host Phil Cogan who quiz us on saw a New Zealand. Slang slash phraseology it was fant I. Felt like I was in the BNB with in another podcast it was incredible. So be sure to check that out. Of course, doing down the hatch on post show recaps as well as beyond top chef you're on reality TV perhaps and Yeah I. mentioned the Casual Cast Assessment not sure when that's going to be coming to your fees, I would imagine some point of before Wednesday were recording that on a Saturday night. So so TB, we might get some video on that as well again, another. TVD Much like this entire season and hopefully at parade dot com, we'll be able to do some coverage of big brother joint fingers crossed. I'll be doing exit press like I have been the past few seasons or if not, maybe some some special coverage in general as move into a very special season that's going to do it for this week here on the BNB we are going to be back here next week talk in survivor but also big brother in two separate podcasts or going to cover week one though I guess I don't know. We'll talk about a recording schedule for aiming to record this on the weekend might end up being like a post premiere podcast or maybe we'll skip a week and wait until the first victim has actually passed since regained the premier on Wednesday and then I think not another episode until Sunday so TVD but once coming your way at some point in the next couple of weeks against the games are JP BNB edgy email dot. com I'm so excited to be back big brother and I'm so excited to have you here. 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377 - The Loomis Fargo Robbery - Live

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

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377 - The Loomis Fargo Robbery - Live

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Like, they have those ring cameras now he would pose and make up wacky little face like package, you know. And so this caught on and then eventually someone wrote an article about him. It was like this guy's crazy. Look all these faces. And when reach for quote, all that the great Colby Holloway said was listened to the dollar podcast. So he's here. Tonight, Colby take a bow. Where are you, sir? What did I tell you? God damn hero an American hero. And and I told you we get you seats up front, and we did and. Man of my word, obviously. You're listening to the dollar. By circular American history podcast each week. I David Anthony read a story from American history to guy, I know. Name Gareth Reynolds who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Say any dates? You say the one day that everyone wants to hear October twentieth. Nineteen sixty nine. David Gant was born near Charlotte. North Carolina David was raised in a classic middle class lifestyle. He got a private religious school education and his family went to DisneyWorld on vacations. Kenny after high school he joined the army, and we shipped out to be in the Gulf war. She's done Disneyland anymore. When he came back. They we got married to Tammy in one thousand nine hundred two okay. Fucking American dream right here. Yeah. But it's like two sentences in. He worked different jobs got one fuel in airplanes driving a forklift at a nineteen ninety four. He got a job as a vault superintendent as a vault superintendent charge, the bolt what fault at Loomis Fargo and company armored cars. I just okay. Louis manages cash transportation. Huge some. I mean, there's a lot okay. David was not paid while Dave. I'm also not good at math. But I do see the some anyway. And he was not living the life. He had been raised in. He lived with his wife and a mobile home in kings, mountain, North Carolina. Testing higher than Charlotte. It is. Money was very tight. He was sometimes working seventy five to eighty hours a week. At eight dollars and fifteen cents. Or as we call it. Fuck you. American dream. So he's never home. No money, very unhappy. Yeah. He's twenty nine this is not the life. He and ambition and he's driving around. So he's bartering evolve. People. He runs the vault. He runs. It was the vault men. So he's like the money. Bouncer. Yeah. He's comes people people like I have some money. He's like wait until two people leave. The little clicky thing. Wants to do people leave you can get in there. Ain't gonna work either. What? Oh, hold on. Hold on. You ladies you come in for what how come? They get to go in. I know. What are their names? Yep. Bullshit, okay. One and two how okay. Kelly Campbell Kevin Campbell Kelly. Kelly Campbell was Kevin Campbell Satan, whoever laughed back, there know devil. Scare Evan gamble. But he's what me in Dave's room where I've made hell. Lames? Kelly Campbell was a high school dropout. She got her GED in a job working in a mill. Right. So when she found herself driving for Loomis Fargo. Okay. Kelly and David got along pretty well and became friends. Okay. David had a crush on her. But she was married to kids is he not also married. Okay. He didn't hide his crush. Okay. Kelly's marriage wasn't great. They were been separated multiple times. Kelly wanted much more her husband's spanky. Sorry. From the little rascals. Why just signed the residual deal like that? I didn't know I was just a. You'd be worth billions spanky what? No such an inside out fell sign it. Yeah. They didn't have residuals back. Then exactly. That's what I'm saying. Her husband's spanky landscaped yards and trained Coon dogs. And this wasn't going. Well. Apparently that wasn't a lot of money. Though, it sounds like it would be. Yeah. For sure spank. He's landscaping company and Coon dog training sounds like it would be a real you can do both of them. Once you could do both. Yeah. You can do both jobs at the same time. Sure. Well, if you try to Coon dogs to mulch, that's right, boom. So Kelly dreamed about owning a house in the country with a swimming pool and enough money that she didn't have to rely on a man, I think we all dream. Eventually, she left Luma's for other work Kelley been friends with Steve chambers on and off for years, Steve chambers, and that's right day. Okay. They had gone to east Gaston high school together. Okay. Are we are we mad at this high school? Maybe we don't cheer for things anymore here tonight. It seems like you get hurt when you do. I like that showed up. Oh. I'm from there. Trying to let people know from their don't care dome. Dome. Here's better where I'm from number one. Yeah. Thank you, sir. Steve was tough. And very sure myself a fast talker. He was very large six one and two hundred twenty pounds. He was married to Michelle. Okay. She brought to kids into the marriage. Steve also at a mobile home, double wide. One for each kid. That's right. Yeah. Had that on eight acres with a stream in the back nicely. Furnished liked to entertain barbecues out there. I get. One night late nineteen Ninety-six Kellyanne her family found themselves at Steve's place. Okay. Stephen Kelly were playing no. I think it's about to get wild. Strip who know? Steve like to tell stories and Kelly at heard his stories about getting refunds on fake tax returns, operating a loan shark business and even killing people. Stories. Yeah. Story regular fat chewing just your regular round of no tales from your past murder murder tax things murder. Steve then said, they should rob Loomis. I felt like this might becoming. Why just because he's guards the vaults. That's david. What does Steve do? I couldn't really figure it out. Not much. Job. Kelly. No longer works for Loomis Kelly is now, but this is what David allied security. Okay. It's moved up. Right. Okay. Okay. So they have jokingly kept talking about robbing Luma's. Imagine if we. Become the plan of how they pull it off. Now, this was apparently super comment all the people that worked at Loomis talk about robbing Luma's Loomis was just a thing everybody. Everybody was like, we should rob a Luma. It's like everybody all over the place. Like what about Robin Luma's good? We should do that. Even the cops are like, we should rob bloom. We should totally rob Loomis. What Kelly did not know that Steve had been writing bad checks all over town and was in the whole for seventeen thousand dollars. Okay. She thought he was joking about robbing Loomis. But over the next few months he kept bringing it up member out funny. That was the other night when we were talking about robbing Loomis. Oh, man. Imagine we should rob loom. The key. We're kidding. Yeah. Yeah. We're having a laugh not Syria, unless you're serious that I really think we should just go. You know, rob Loomis? Stop laughing. See? But for real. No. At one point Steve told Kelly they should throw fake grenades into the trucks to scare the drivers off while I think it would probably scare the driver God or blow their ears out or just kill the weight fake grenades. Yeah. I mean, what did the water below through a fake grenade in is that just when you take like a pair of socks? No. There's like there's like grenades that have been had the the guts. Sure. No. Yeah. That's of course. No. Of course, there's a guy. That's the technical term. You know, the guy who takes the guts out of your day just down to gut remove gutters. Grenade. Not functional but still have the appearance of a real weapon. Kelly kept telling Steve wouldn't work, and it was too dangerous, but he chipped away. And he chipped away. And she started thinking about all the money. She could get. She was currently the night shift manager at allied security. Not exactly living the dream and Kelly was depressed, and she started smoking a lot of pot. Well, the man she started taking Prozac she really wanted out of her marriage. All of us convinced her. Maybe she should do it. So in early September nineteen Ninety-seven Kelly called, David. He still had a crush on her. She knew it. So Kelly started talking about robbing Loomis. It wasn't the first time because they joked a lot about Robert Lomas. Oh, here we go your classic bit. All right. I'll bite we should. David said, quote, I didn't take her seriously when we worked together we joke about it all the time. It's one of the biggest jokes at the place unless she told me just think about it. But that is got to be troubling. If you're like the CEO of Loomis. Hey, guys, that's not company policy. Oh, we all do it. We're all mocking it. I mean, it would just be so funny so much money. We speak. Settle down. David. Well, congratulations. You're higher debate. One of Luma's news acuity guards. The first thing we want to let you know is you're constantly joke about robbing us. And the hats the Loomis family promise. Keeps it light around here. So Davis David was now a supervisor. But still only making eighteen fifty eight fifteen an hour. So they they'd bumped them up. Well, you get fifty percents more all of that headache. No, no, no, more money. Eight fifteen he's still making the same out. And they get a different name thing. We're going to bump you up give you a little bit more responsibility. Great you'd be supervisor more hours, more hours. All right graduation. Okay. So I've been I ought to do eighty a week. So that's nuts. What's the bump in pay? You can joke around a little bit more about Robin the place. I think I might. Definitely shall we? Give you an extra fifteen minutes. Joking around about Robin Lomas. Yeah. A day imagine. So congratulations provider, David. Here. Our favorite employees. Now David thought about it quote. I was on hop on happy with my life. I want to make a drastic change. They'll that's a way to do it. I mean that certainly shakes it up. And I went for it a lot of people out there had it worse than me. But I couldn't understand why I hadn't been more successful. I wanted to be more like my mom and dad were. Clyde now. Middle class life. Yeah. But how do you get there? I think I don't know. I mean, I guess sure. I'm totally on. This guy's not against this guy. I'm pro robbing Loomis. Okay. Percent. If you make eight fifteen an hour how about. He said I felt if I didn't do something I was going to snap. So he's also it's also like a stress reliever. Yeah. It is. I mean, it's adult Disneyland really. So we went back and forth. He flip flopped on the idea. Three or four times didn't think his wife. Tammy would go for it. No. They can be such sticklers like that. Yeah. My wife's always liked don't murder the neighbor. They're just so against crime. It's just like a classic. Yeah. You guys always argue about how you're gonna murder those people. Yeah. The, you know, his marriage wasn't great. But he was sure he wanted to steal the money and run. He wasn't sure he wanted to steal the money run up lever because he can't tell her. So that he has to bail. I mean, he could stash it I think you've got lots out of the marriage, and he's just bailing out with this as well. I remember he does have a crush on Kelly. I'm aware of the crush on Kelly. Nobody nobody knows he has a crush on Kelly more than me. Okay. Very defensive. So a few days later Kelly called again and David was like, look if I do it on lead help moving the money a new ID because I'm going to leave the country. Okay. But he's still not sold. He's still having high. Classic waffler. Yeah. Yeah. In september. David was looking over credit card Bill. That's the bad head space to get yourself into. That's now. Go. I'm waffling on a Loomis robbery. Don't look at your credit cards. Fuck this. I'm doing it for sure. He did some math and realized if they paid off the minimum monthly payment each month. It would take thirty years to pay off the credit card. At that moment. He was completely in on the robbery. Credit card companies. Steve would plan at all. Okay. Well, he's the more criminally guy. Right. Sure. Yeah. For protection, David and Steve never met or talked. Now, that's either he has a really dumb. It's what the best way to plan a high-stakes robberies to play a game of telephone. So it is really dum. Okay. Okay. So how's the plan coming good? We can't wait to do it the night of and you'll figure it out from there. Awesome. What Steve like? See tall. He's tall. Oh, he's super tall. And then he loves to murder but enough about Steve. So David didn't even know Steve's name. So what he's just dealing with like. Good plan. Yeah. So that guy says he could do it. I think what you're going up to a robbery you are gonna want to know a little more information. So that guy thinks it's going well. Okay. Cool that guy. Okay. You swear to God. There's a guy right? Okay. Awesome. David also had a little bit of vice a little bit of knowledge to dispense because he recently read a book about the FBI. But it's happening to your disposition saying. Oh, pick up things. So he read a book about the FBI. And because of that he knew knew that if they sat on the money for two years, they pretty much just forget about it. Mega just did. He read FBI book FBI the book. Yep. FBI the book FBI the book a John Grisham thriller. We just gotta sit on it for two years. Then the FBI completely forgets about it. Yeah. I saw documentary on it. They have a little device that they put in front of people's eyes. Once it shoots a light. They completely forget everything. The FBI. They're the maybe it was the MIB either way two years. I'm we're gold. So Steve also was like once we get the money. We can't spend it. So that's a fine plan. We're going to hold onto it for a while. Well, that's comforting for David to to know that this nameless figure also concurs. Yes. Yeah. So they planned the robbery for Saturday October fourth nineteen Ninety-seven. Okay. David woods plan was Dave who is stay in the vault after his shift. Kicking it? Is that weird? I think people often some people spent take a nap here make a day of it. All goes. Tomorrow. Okay. Good night. Dave says he lives in the vault now too. So that's cool. It's comfy on these big blocks on money. Yeah. Tomorrow. It's a good guy. Those plans to stay in the ball. I don't know what happens over there. Well, why wouldn't you just have to guy like a buddy system at a place where all the money is like when I worked at a Bank. If you went in the vault, you have to go on with somebody else couldn't go in there alone. Let the buddy system. Yeah. It was a buddy says let you in a Bank vault book. Yeah. Did I also figured out a way to steal? I never did. It knew how. Right. You bet you. I might have taken some what David would you to bake? I didn't rob a lot. What? You partially robbed a Bank. No wonder you like this story. Like. Yeah. This guy. I get this guy. Yeah. I understand this head space. David David within pack up the money, and then bringing out the plan was that he would take fifty K and fly to Mexico. This plan seems really straightforward. And then that's the legal amount. You can take into Mexico. So he's keeping. Keeping above the law. Yeah. No, he's definitely really aware. And then if you needed more money, they would just send them more money who will Stephen Kelly? We so he's taking fifty thousand dollars out. And we wanna know he's taking tons of money. He's taking a shitload of money. Millions fifty of that is going to fifty grand and go to Mexico. He's taking millions of dollars. And he's going to leave them on the honor system with millions and whenever he's a Mexico. And he's like, hey, look, I knew I need like another fifty grand on the honor system. They'll be like, of course. That's right here you go wait to spend it for two years. You know, how the FBI works, right? And and, but he, but you know, Kelly's kind of him and he's into her. And also the other guy's name. No know about right? So it's a good plan. Yeah. No for sure feels like it's time to do it. It's definitely time to target a date. Yeah. Yeah. And Steve's in charge of the money. The guy's name. He doesn't know. Now, David Kelly would started meeting in a field behind the shooting range to work out the finishing touches flasher. Just where you would go. Absolutely Kelly made it seem like she was following for David at the end of the sessions. They kissed. So romantic to do it out back near a shooting range while you're talking about taking money. Kelly said after day was set up in Mexico. She would bring the kids and join him, quote, Steve told me to tell David whatever was necessary to keep them happy. Geez. How romantic is? It's actually not at all romantic. If he listened closely to what you said, it's this is how arguably horrify so a lot of marriages begin. I don't think any have. Are you married? Case closed. Wrong. So that's what I'm not doing. Right. That's right. Interesting. Yeah. They've never had a nameless shadow figure encouraging me to commit crime. Yeah. Weird. Well, maybe go I hope she's out there somewhere. This leading me in a field. You can see it now. So Steve also brought in a couple of other guys to help them move the money chair. Yeah. What you need. Yeah. For sure. More hands Momo's cousin Scott. And then another guy, I'm Eric pain. You offer them both one hundred K. Okay. So just to be clear David gets fifty thousand dollars the relatives of the nameless figure are doubling that. But that's their total hall. Dave is going to get a lot more because Dave is going to get a lot of trapped in Mexico, and he needs the nameless figured a Western Union him some. Yeah, for sure no it works now. So these guys are in October, fourth David kissed his wife goodbye as she slept and drove to work as he drove the song take the money and run came on the radio sign, you know, you'd think that's a side by side. Oh, it's a side. This is so me oh. May as well be called. The David Gant song. All day in the Bank the money everybody having another. Band on the run wings. Oh me. No. I'm not thinking about money because I work here. I'm not saying, I'm not crazy. I'm not sleeping in the vault. I'll tell you that much. No, sir. Not me. Mexico. Never been never will be. Not I I just asked you how you were doing. Listen to you the monitor current. Due to moon. You should go to bed. I'm at work right now and the area. You should get out of here. A role that is late. Yeah. So. David waited till the end of the day, and then sent home an employee. He was training as you get out of here. I think you're trying it's pretty much done. I told you everything we'd like to leave early and never talk about the day. You just had. Yeah. So understand no matter what anyone asked you about the previous day. You don't remember anything that we do it? Here. You got that? Well, your heads. Shaken a lot about Robin this place. What no joke. Oh my God. That guy said that was part of training. They said that I should tell my supervisor. Did you just like my bowels? I got really scared because I really need this job. I need the twelve twelve cents an hour. That's pretty good money. I don't know what that training while you should get out of here. And I'll stay we're gonna do. Not anything weird. Nope. Not me. That's fair. Just might sleep in it. That's it. Okay. Yeah. Sleep great and their baby. Which actually they don't sleep. Great. But I sleep great. Yeah. Okay. So then David disabled to security cameras smart. As he was doing it. He said there was a voice in his head saying don't do it. You're an idiot. But he did it. But yeah. Well, the the radio you've got the you've got that boy's head. But then you've got the tunes. Stuck in your own? And then don't. Don't do your idiot comes from where don't do it. You're an idiot. The dumb, the whatever you call that negative voice inside your head that points out the realities conscious. Yeah. Yeah. You're konczal, or whatever. Yeah. It's up there stepping on the music as per usual trying to get the way of Qismat to for Tuesday. The nerve of that mind thing you said, yeah. Head is Kelly parked. Her pickup truck across the street and a lot Dave and Steve drove up in a Mazda and parked beside her. And then they waited. David was supposed to be there at seven pm twenty minutes later, he had not arrived and his plan is to what just take arm loads of it. Like he's on supermarket sweep. No, no. So. In the building David was trying to put all the cash in a Loomis van. It was very heavy all together, he moved two thousand seven hundred and forty eight pounds of cash holy shit. That's a weird way to look at an amount of money. But it sounds like a lot of pounds of cash here. When you're weighing by Jeff Bezos goes in every morning. Oh, yeah. One hundred fifty million tons of his job as OTs. Bring me a child to suck the blood out of. Here. You are Mr. bazo. I wish I wish that was kind of a joke, but they're doing that. Yeah. His uniform was so the sweat as a move the money. Kelly kept beeping him on his phone. Oh, that's fun too. Good just blow me up. He finally finished at seven forty five. Pm grab the tapes from the security cameras except for the third tape from the third camera which heard. I heard about two cameras eighty no about the third one, right? So he drove the Luma's van to the gate out. Dave, I think that's a problem. I don't know. It's fine. Okay. Because to me I say oh fuck. That's all good. Okay. Good. Okay. Joe the Luma's van to the gate the other three watch. Does he struggle to open it? So they just like man he's really struggling over there. I mean, I'd go help them. But you know, the song leave him at the gates on. I have. So after awhile Steve ordered his cousin to go help him. So as cousin went went. But kept his face hidden from David as the hoped from the gig. Burl to regular undertone. Yeah. You close your eyes. What's what's I hope you? I'm not gonna close. Are you on my team, David? TV? We're nameless. Shuttle figure. Now, look, close your eyes and great. Great. I look. Could I turn to stone? I don't know what happens. Together. The two men got the gate open, and they drove the van to the designated parking lot where they were going to chance of the money to another van rendered by budget. The irony. They got to have a good laugh somewhere. Right. Yeah. For sure. David, gabe. Steve a key ring. So the keys to the band because he locked the doors. Okay. So are they meeting now? They're in a parking lot. So yeah. This is the first time. Yeah. Gotta be fun. But her FIS the whole nine you are so much taller than I thought you are smaller than I would have imagined that evil. Like, a beanpole they say little tiny beanpole. You are big the huge. And I'm my name's Stephen. I'm big. Yeah. All right. Well, you take that fifty thousand high and then high hey out there again. Well, we should get going. I mean, the thing is that this is still a crime in motion. So you know, what? I mean, high buddy. Hey, pal. It's just so weird. It is weird all this time. No, I remembered by a. I would say put a voice to face. But I never heard her voice. That's hilarious. You wouldn't even have thought is saying that for sure we should get all the money into my van, and then you've got to go to Mexico because that's see look at you. You're already ready to go. By the way, fifty thousand you're going to get live like a king down there forever. And if you need any more to split it after two years, of course, that's one of the FBI has amnesia about money. We've talked about this. We should I wish to talk more often. Because I don't think so. No, I think this is the end we were getting along. Great. Yeah. It's great to meet you. But this has to stop. All right. Well, good to meet news. The key ring. All right. The money here. I am. I like that guy. I'm still sorry. Right right there. You'll I haven't gone anywhere. Just a super weird per fan superfan. Yeah. Again time it's a thing. Yep. Yeah. I have known three Steve's, okay? I. Greg loss of your that is on a little bit. But you're like top Steve. Oh, that's amazing. Well, I'll tell you. I don't know a better David than you. I really going to call it t us. Why up Steve? You know, we're not to have contact for a long time after this. I mean. Yeah. It's big. Very specific. So then David Gama car with Kelly. She drove him to the airport. She must've been really broken up the entire drive. They talked about their future life together. Yes. She's going to take the kids to Mexico, right? At the same time. They talked about that Kelly thought about how great it would be for him to fly as far away from her as possible. So she's she's playing to side. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now head the fifty K, right? Yeah. As plan, but he pretty soon realized he didn't know how to carry through the airport, but how are you going to start? I mean when you start thinking about that on the drive that's not something that comes into your head weeks and weeks before something like this. So he took what he could shove into his boots. Sure. No, okay. So. Yeah. So okay, whatever. Okay. So you're going from fifty grand to maybe four thousand of boot money twenty five twenty five K and boots. Yeah. We're back in business. The three guys start to move the money into the van. But then Steve drop the key ring. Which was a problem. One job because there are two hundred keys on it. Oh shit. What the fuck kind of escape room situation. David left him in. Right now. Remember, it's this K don't drop up 'cause there's a thousand keys. What fucking you I'll shit. I dropped a shack. We are. So fucked. Shit. We gotta try everyone. Now, I'm nervous. We're trying them wrong. I tried thirty wrong. Okay. We're going to need to kill David for the twenty five thousand dollars. We're gonna cut his legs off and take his boots. It's a plan b it's not a great one. But it is one. So like, you said he didn't know what would open the door the so in this parking lot with millions of dollars in a van and the dark Steve tried each key wanted to time God, the tried them on the back door and then on the side door at one point. They tried to break the vans windows, but they were bulletproof. Me. So perfectly screwed. But after about ten minutes Steve found the right? Wow. That's pretty fast. They open it up and the three guys couldn't believe all the money. They were looking at seventeen million dollars the shit. Oh, man. Door ably wrong. Both Steve's cousin and Eric had families and thought the same thing when they saw all the money. I could leave them and get better ones. No, they both thought they'd made the worst mistake of their live. Oh shit. That's not a celebratory moment. So in the other van they had three fifty five gallon barrels, they they couldn't fit all the money in. So they left behind three point three million. And then they ditch the Luma's van right next to where Eric worked. Now that will wait. I know a lot. I know really really good lot. Oh, you made a parking lot. Because otherwise, I was like no you don't. It's yeah. It's really good. I can see it. Every day all the time. It's good lot. Well, I'm sold. Let's do this. Yep. I'll keep an eye on it all the time. Yeah. Smart for sure. So they leave the van there. And then they drove the money to Steve's double mobile home in Lincoln county. Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. Steve is wife. Michelle was there waiting form with a calculator and rubber bands? I'm ready baby. Let's do this. Let's do this rat. They started organizing they got non rubber bands that too many. They started organizing the money. And then Kelly called. Turns out Columbia airport. Had no flights to Mexico. Wait shut up. All right. I will marginally give a pass for not knowing how to stuff fifty thousand dollars into yourself to get on a plane. But they did book a flight or they didn't they didn't even check. They did a they they were just like go to an airport it'll fly wherever I want one way ticket to me co my good man, do what? Shipped. So then they're like, well where do you have who Finland that could be nice? Sim. It wasn't an international airport. It was I was just like well, you can go to Nashville. Oh, that sounds nice. I think I'll be able to be anonymous there. So stealing plan. Steve toll rented a truck. That's all they did was one van Damme. Right. So Steve told Kelly to put David on a bus to Atlanta because he could fly from there, and she should drive back to the double wide trailer. So that's what they did. Wow. I mean day at any point as David like, I'm getting totally screwed. Why would you think that? Just because he's getting totally screwed. You don't know that? There's still a plan in place. He gets a third of the money. After two years is the two years up. No, no, okay. So he's not totally skirt. I should. Wow. You are a negative Nancy. I really am. I'm a van half full kind of guy. So this was all sinking in to Steve's cousin, and Eric who are now completely freaking out and just pacing around the house while they did that Michelle was thrilled. She kept laughing and saying over and over quote, look at all this money. I love money. I'm rich. I mean, that's such a rare characteristic. I love money. I'm one of those rare people who just loves money. Steph's guys. I'm was so freaked out that he just left. He doesn't know how to celebrate. The next morning Loomis Fargo employees shut up for work and quickly called the cops. Koonce? They could not get into the vault which was locked. Well. That's a good thing. David was pretty quickly the most obvious suspect really because he's gone. Well, not only was he the last guy there, but he had not showed up for work in the morning. And his wife had called the police to report a missing and his truck was in the parking lot. And there's that security and his wedding. Ring was in the truck. You know, it's almost like he's a plot to law and order SVU. Like, it's just so well the ring here indicates it's what who does it in that order the perfect crime. I mean, no, no the perfect culprit. They will never catch me. We think he said Atlanta. Oh shit. Look for a guy who's hobbling and boots money. What money on my fucking feet? I don't have money. Not. Oh, I walk like a regular person. Good day officer shit fuck shit. Yes. Ever seen a cowboy? Yes. I have seen many Cowboys. You walked up foot. So you walked a foot. Shit. My cash is barking. What? Dogs barking my feet hurt. Not for money asshole. I have not said a word, I've not either. Can I just sit here and eat? Sorry. I approached you. Thank you. So I got so emotional and enjoy your waffles. Appreciate it. Now, all of these suspicions and hints were confirmed when they looked at the tape and saw the third camera watch David do a little dance after he finished loading the van. And that's how we know for sure he didn't know about the third camera, but dance. See moonwalking? Meanwhile, he's like headed Lanta. Meanwhile, he's like all right at the airport in Atlanta. Well, it Steve's house Kelly, Dave and Michelle watch the news who are calling it via heist. Almost fourteen million was sitting in his shed behind. Steve's home in blue barrels. Which he had been covered with dog food. Just by barrels at dog food fishes about that another man with a lot of you never seen a man with a hundred and sixty five gallons of dog food. It's just that we have yet to see a dog, sir. They're coming. So the island the plan is for a dog Pokka lips. I put money down on thirty two puppies. And they will be here soon. And let me tell you something hungry some hunger dogs. Well, I mean, we've opened all of them, and they all have dog food, and that's right dog food and nothing else. Not then from what we could see nothing but dog food. Barrels. Yeah. Fifty five gallon. Yeah. That's right dog food. Got it from the book dog food house. Sure. Sure. One of this book dodo everything's in book. Even the dogs. That's where I got the. Getting the public's from ordered thirty seven pounds of puppies. I didn't know work like that. But that's how bays those counts money. So no flaw there. That's right. Consistency. Thank you. I like talking to you. Well, it doesn't feel like you're being authentic about things very specific as well. Chalk that up to realism. Inside the money. Sorry side the money those wrong by where getting up plan together. Inside the inside the mobile home. Steve looked at Kelly Michelle and said, quote, we made history. I like, Steve's attitude. Well, really calm. They had. It was the second biggest heist in US history. Wow. Overall. They had taken seventeen thousand forty four thousand dollars seventeen million four say what was the highest before that twenty two thousand dollars? He should've seen it all over the country's posters. Went up showing a wanted picture of a skinny red haired guy named David Gant who is at the Atlanta airport. So borrow. Mexico. It took them two days to find the van with the three million in it along with the security. Gabe tapes, David taken. So even without the third camera. He didn't even like throw them in a river. All right. Just leave. These the van to fact. The FBI quickly realized David had to have had help. Well, it's within the two years. So there's still interested. They check your cellphone records, which showed someone kept beeping him during the robbery one for three. One for three some people know now, what does that I love you? They could not figure out what it meant. They could all FBI is trying to figure it out. And then in Asia remembered he'd read an article in the Charlotte observer about beeper coats, beeper coons coats, cheaper codes one four three meant. I love you. God, I has one letter love has for you has three. Well, so does I fuck you? A lot of words have four charters totally worth it. Right. The whole time. She's just going. I love you. And she. Yeah. She's working fucking romantic. No guys, having a fucking love story happened a near like you. That's the time of beepers though, where you just that's all you could just so simple. You know? What does that what the fuck where what does that mean that she's screwing you over? So the FBI starts conducting interviews over one hundred people people who know David they're just talking to everybody. They're all pretty shocked. His wife had no idea completely amazed. And she said he had a dentist appointment coming up. And now for sure so he might be coming back. Yeah. Well, why do it's very important? It's the second one. You've got the first time he had a root canal. Now, he's getting a crown. So he has to go back to I don't know why you think he would rob a place when he he's in the middle of a procedure. Even if he did Robert he will be back for this point. He said, I know him he hates the way feels. I know it so. Okay. So did you guys come back with well, boss? A lot of stuff. He's got a dentist appointment coming up. Pretty soon. We're going to stick it out. So until then I think we lay pretty low. I work here is done until you know, we should do. Loomis? Bad. I just kidding to that. We should. Guy who? Jokin? Yeah. Oh boy badge. And if you imagine imagine that I do. A week from Friday. To do it at night. Oh jelly do. One guy one guy there from what I understand. It's all third role. Ed roll out pretty fucking straightforward. If you asked me nothing complicated about it. It's not raining. Don't take the twenties. Tens or one just grab the bills. Exactly, I'm joshing with you. Totally job going around joking around. But I tell you why do it right van do it. Right. We do it. Right. We wear gloves the whole thing. Okay. Yeah. We do it. Right. That's right. I'm hearing voices in my head. I hear them all the time. It's just like, Gary, Gary, Gary now, I don't know even while you're here, and that's no way the name that they're saying in your head. No. The Welsh name. Sure. Night of the roundtable, the alternate. Whatever that means. I guess that's where they put the baby nights or something. On October seventh agents interviewed Kelly at her home, the age told by Loomis, employees, the David and Kelly had dated. Kelly said she had done drugs with David, but did not know anything about stolen money so Kelly when you're talking to the government officials we didn't do anything like various like sleep together. We just did math. I'm aware of what crimes are. I didn't steal money. I just shot heroin with him, well, whatever. And she refused to take a lie detector tests. So she's fine. Yeah. A few no further questions for her. It'd be my guess a few days after the robbery Michelle went to NationsBank and deposited five thousand dollars. Steve did the same. Another Bank all went fine. A week ladder later Michelle came back with a briefcase she showed up to the teller. Inside was two hundred thousand dollars so tiny incremental raising of the deposits. It's a smart move. You go from five grand, and they take that. Let's see what else can get away with take. I'm gonna take briefcase of around a quarter of a million dollars. That'll be my follow up deposit. When she showed what she showed her the money. Michelle asked what the cash deposit limb was before she had to do paperwork. Is that the right? It feels like the bizarro robbing of a Bank where you have to if you deposit ten thousand dollars you have to fill out a report for the IRS. And but what about two hundred thousand be? Yes. Oh, you do. You do. Oh, interesting. But not a guest that because it's so much more. Yeah. Right. So she told the teller she she asked what the cash deposit limit was. And then she told the teller the cash she had was not drug money. Boy, this is just not who taught these people how to lie. You wait to be asked drug money. What? No, I play the ponies. Now, this was obviously a weird conversation, especially because some of the money was still wrapped in Loomis Fargo rappers. You know, the more. I think about it the more I think spanky should have been in charge. Feels like a little rascals angle where to work a little better for this caper probably last plot holes. So the teller filled out a suspicious activity report really on what grounds. It's not drive money. Oh, whoops. I forgot to unwrap about you. But the FBI would not look at it for months. They better. Hurry their deadlines coming up. Have months to way, she got two years before you forget about it. Now, remember Steve was adamant that no one spend any money to draw attention. Sure. Right. Just go take two hundred grand at a briefcase. Let's subtly so three weeks after the robbery he bought a six thousand square foot house for six six hundred and thirty five thousand dollars in a gated community. Sure. Sure. Sure. So sh I'm moving. It was seven times bigger than his double wide had stairs chandeliers garage and a security system chair. There is a country club down the street sheriff's chicken, Sherry, he tipped the movers. Big. But didn't say what what he did for a living. But he hinted he had a good job at the mill and told them he'd won big in Vegas Vegas winnings. We've all heard about those. When Michelle's mother saw the house Steve told her he and Michelle had been gambling and one enough for down payment and her mom said, quote, we're not the type that asks questions. Sorry. We're not the type that questions. Everything people. Tell us. Yeah. No. I mean, that's pretty much enough. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We went to Vegas. Oh. Well, congratulations. What's for supper? They started decorating the house though. They spent tens of thousands on things. Like a cigar store. Indian? How is that? On the top of anyone's wishlist, oh, we need to get a velvet painting of Elvis. Well, you mean velvets? A bulldog dressed like George Patton. Well, I mean and you laugh, but once you see it in the dining room. They bought paintings antiques and statues mov wallpapers stocked. The wine cellar and put a bust of Caesar in the dining room. Well, the truth is their stories could not be close her Caesar. He's my hero. They bought twenty thousand dollars this Garza and put them in humidor. They're playing the curving staircase had fo- tiger for on it. Dave is it safe to call them new money? We hit any stereotypes of new money. They bought a BMW roadster, they made cash payments on a few other cars, a neighbor tried to get to know them. But Steve was abrupt where are you from lock you? Where are you from a we're local I'm an ex football player a panther. No one of the northern teams. You know, the northern teams. One of the north or teams. I'm a robot a team from north. It's like game of thrones. I am quarterback of north. Panther. Another neighbor said anytime Steve wanted to have his kids over to play with their kids. They'd be happy to have. Okay. Steve said, quote, no. I'm waiting for a little more. But they're not coming as it. No. That's always said. No, no, no, there north know they come from north to we are all north. What were the neighbors said, oh, just a regular fat? You, you know, having fun. And if they ask you anything just say north the bunch they installed three tanning beds and eight one the fuck who needs. What are you doing are look good who three there's two of? Sometimes the dog paintings uncle Fred comes by. I read you and you're like, well, you know, what it'd be rude to just have him tan. We'll all tan together, we'll make a day of it. I like how you think that that? They didn't it just need one. I mean, Warren tanning bed for like two minutes. What are you coming back at me with the opposite argument right now, you're like why didn't they three two one? Okay. You're weird. You have a tanning bed you like to tan, whatever go do it three. What are you out of your mind goes out of your mind threes, bucket bananas? That's my point. We agreed the whole time. On sunday. Steve would drink Pabst blue ribbon that he stockpiled in the wine cellar and watch this. You find the fucking cheered at something. And that was it. Shitty. Beer in his wine cellar in his wine cellar. Yeah. He's crushing PBR's at his wind. That's right. Fucking boss. Wants man that was a really good year. No, steve. He would watch stockcar races with his buddies. There was a nightclub that Steve had been thrown out of once after he Michelle got into a fight because Michelle was dirty dancing. So Steve went and tried to buy the nightclub. But the owner refused to sell by the way. Nobody shell in the corner. I would pay so much money to watch that conversation. Just to see that moment. Cannot come in. Yeah. All right. Could I no all right? Michelle started shopping at an upscale boutique in Lincoln and talking a lot to the staff. She said her husband owned casinos in Atlantic City and laundromats in Texas one day. What is she's just like a mad lib? I don't know things. I don't know. What buildings are oh, Texas. I don't know what to our casinos laundromats. They call laundromats the new oil in Texas that a lot of people are making money. He's rich. He's rich. Sometimes people drop quarters on the ground. It also is shocking that they've gotten this far like they are setting up a crazy life for themselves. And it's working. Well, it's also deserved. That's true. They have earned this. I mean, he figured out the key. Yup. One day. Michelle arrived at the teak and a good mood in a tight t shirt show off her new breasts. She said Steve about them as a gift for twenty fifth birthday twenty five. Jesus christ. This is quite this is my twenty s we're not this exciting. Yeah, now, and I might it's a real. You saw this morning. Now, Stephen Michelle were drawing a little bit of attention to themselves because they're combined salaries were forty two thousand dollars. You mean, you can't get a fully. Furnished mansion wine cellar or even handing bed company. Beer, right. No. You can get that much PBR for that. A third of that. Meanwhile, Kelly was having a hard time PBR actually gives you money when you buy. Thank you so much, maybe ten dollars go. All right, ten dollars. So I oh you twenty. There you go. All right. Kelly wanted out of her marriage. She started smoking tons of pot. She gained thirty pounds in a couple of months. I'm not sure what's happening up with those. Well, it's really upset his girlfriend. Yeah. She's like what? So then Kelly and her two children invitation to shout. Kelly and her two children, then moved out from spanky spanky is out and they moved in with Steve and Michelle. Okay. Someone told the FBI about Steve's any other spanky updates was he now took it very well. I have a good time. I'll be playing with the slingshot. I couldn't bird out nothing. Nothing about spanky. You just banished. Sorry. I. Boy, I wonder when spank he's going to catch a prey. I guess I'll just go drink myself to sleep again. Spanky spanky. The Boya was a man. This. I got some heroin to some. Some back. Oh, no. I'm locked out of by place. No spanky. Once you got to catch a break. Spanky spanky, the boy, you was a man. It's. Absolutely. I fucking hate spanky who you guys get those spaking all I wanna do have fun and put drugs in my veins to forget about my past. When they made me do stunts. They shouldn't have. Kill the lights. So then someone told the F B I about Steve's move from a mobile home to a mansion so Steve is on their radar. Then a week later someone snatched on Eric and said he'd quit his job at a printing company was spending money, and he was spending money. He had bought a new Harley a Chevy Tahoe. A big screen TV computer and a new trailer on his daughter's seventh birthday a huge white stretch. Limo showed up and took her and her friends too, expensive stakeouts. He's. So the idea, but it's impossible. Like if Steve was like, be careful with the money. We don't want to throw up any flags. And then you see what he did? I get some limos. Yeah. Yeah. This dude got four tanning beds. While all this was going on David was in Mexico. Okay. Enjoying his life in Cosmo of boy, he had a fake ID. And was now known as Mike McKinney. Why that's what he went with? Yep. He lived in luxury hotels, he toward the Mayan ruins parasail power skied, scuba dive fluid and ultra line light jet plane, sorry light plane and went deep sea fishing. He learned how a parachute, quote, the things I wanted to do but never had the time or the money. Well, I mean, he has twenty five thousand dollars. That's right. And he's living brewster's millions. He became friends. With a local waiter named Aldo outta helped him find a beach apartment. You got a favorite restaurant zen Dunga, which he had a Marriott CI band view of the Caribbean or no be the Gulf. I don't know why it says crooked David would stab that's quite a view. David would stay up all night. Drinking beer, drinking, coffee and beer. And watching the sunrise come over here. Yeah. It stay up on coffee. Drink beer weird copy pumps. Yep. Yeah. It's very makes you happy. Sure. Yeah. Maybe take a nap. Quote, October was a blast. Wait a minute. This is just what month, right? Yep. So he is living brewsters millions. He is like so he's going to be. Calling for maybe another chunk. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Because in November he started to run out of money. Right. Okay. So he's looking for his other booed that other boot. And they started eating home cooked, pasta and grilled cheese sandwiches. He literally I mean, I'm not expecting that. This man knows how to plan obviously. But within one month see eating like a college student and his dorm. He's got got seventeen million dollars out of a Bank fault. That's right. And within thirty days. The man is on a past