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A Military Distraction? Us Hands Ukraine $125 Million In Weapons

Ron Paul Liberty Report

19:28 min | 11 months ago

A Military Distraction? Us Hands Ukraine $125 Million In Weapons

"Hello everybody and thank you for tuning in to the Liberty report with me today. Is Daniel mcadam our co host annual to see you? How are you this morning? Dr Paul Good. We're going to revisit a little thing. That went on here for months. After months and his military to Ukraine state would have settled all that and the Russia. Gay things behind it. I'm not so sure that we're getting involved in Russia gate again but their stuff in the news about Ukraine and getting more military aid. But before we go into that I might just Mentioned that This subject might not be as interesting to some of the viewers are two general. Public viewers are always interesting but in general public. You know viruses. That's the whole thing you know. Who's telling the truth about how dangerous this is? That's a big deal and also the stock market and the combination and the challenge between A lot of Austrian economists might matter of fact if you're an Austrian. Economists said the bubbles been there for a long time the boat will burst. And now they're saying well. The virus did virus. Did it which gets some people off the hook The Fed gets the Fed. Gets OFF THE HOOK? The president may off the hook for all the spending and things going on there Nine now we have this little bit of distraction but you know when I saw the announcement that they were getting ready to send more weaponry to Ukraine. My my thought was We'll you know when things get tough at home. I think Clinton had had a few episodes where tough with mom on Mojo Lewinsky. They said they had a bawling right. I don't think hopefully trump's better than that but you keep thinking Sometimes things are beyond his control of other people will stir up trouble. Are they trying to stir up trouble for distraction and this sort of thing Maybe but I don't think the big deal. I think this is sort of the usual stuff the usual process of foreign aid. And just think of all that all that Russia gate was over a process of how you give foreign aid in within a quid pro quo. Is there an advantage to? Is it politicized like no? It's not politicize but here here. We go again and they don't talk about. What are we giving all this money away for it when we look at this and I'm sure you'll be able to help us understand is if the congress lined up to two hundred and fifty million dollar has nothing to do with the security of this country has to do with your neighbors they used to have your Washington whose military industrial complex people because the money just goes over their bank bank account and they get rid of surprise some junk. They didn't want and they get some credit so so anyway. That's still around the pro- the problem foreign aid is going to last for a long time But nobody knows what will come. And I know the the other problems are gonNA exist for awhile because Corona viruses and going to go away overnight. Maybe the truth will come out some day on how how how threatening it is and how serious it is as well as You know the financial bubble burge staying in the stock market. That is going to be tougher because people aren't conditioned to understanding the business cycle so we have a long way to go there to explain to the People. Exactly why a certain group of people in this country certain types of economists knew about it new job as the bubble was building in new it would burst and quite frankly. I don't think it had anything to do. With Corona virus. It may have been lighting the fire or something but Bubba will people should ask. Why was there a bubble and and what was was it related to or does the concern over Corona Virus. Create the bubble. No the bubble has been there and it was looking for an excuse to collapse. And I think that's GonNa be around for a while but the full explanation and understanding. Unfortunately we have a way to go before the people understand that or you know who else is looking for an excuse. It's always the masters of the universe you know. I'm sure you saw this article linked on the top of drudge report. Imf chief economist urges targeted policies to stem the economic harm of the corona viruses. They love the concentrate power. When there's a crisis like this and this Chief Economist Gita goping off says that we need to have more cash. Transfers wage subsidies central banks should be prepared to provide liquidity. Do we know. Isn't that what the feds been doing for a long time ever since nineteen thirteen in some way? Now that's a that's a mass up for sure. But this one hundred twenty five million dollars worth of a weaponry going to Ukraine and it has to do with with some radar and has also do with with vessels that travel in shallow water and it could be and very well involve Russia matter of fact it does because you Ukrainians split half of them like Russia half of them hate Russia but there's a sea of as of that is nearby there and there's been a bit of a skirmish over there but these vessels specifically would deal with the Sea of Azov because that's where the conflict with Russia occurred and I think that's related and actually we have a map that we can even bring up to to show what we're talking about. But here's the Kerch Strait and that's actually where the incident occurred in November. Two Thousand Eighteen Ukraine sent two gunboats and and a tugboat kind of a provocation. It was just a few months. After the Russians completed the bridge over the strait which connected Crimea with mainland Russia as we remember Crimea was savagely stripped from Ukraine by the evil Putin after the US coup. But but more seriously so there was this incident the the the Russians did stop the Ukrainians from going under there poorer. Shampoo was president at the time. Used the incident to impose martial law for thirty days. But what a lot of people speculated this was at the end of November they are elections in March of Twenty Nineteen Poro Shaneco was incredibly unpopular. And so the speculation that he wants to make himself look bigger than he was by imposing martial law and looking like he was gonNA take the big question is now the transfer of these mark six patrol boats over to Ukraine as part of this one hundred twenty five million dollars in free money What kind of changing the Calculus might that have? you know if there's another event. Mit Embolden Ukrainians to do another provocation. But I think we can say with conviction. That had what we're doing there. Now there's two hundred and fifty million dollars. We're committed to add to what we've already given. Ukraine has nothing to do with our national security and I see Ukraine. Become very dependent. I guess they get foreign aid from other people to that. But he's a ninety percent of their foreign aid which is probably a big hunk of their economy. comes from the United States for the United States. Who's that is that the Federal Reserve now? Eventually it's always from the people you know they take the money. And and this is why the social ser- so absurd in not understanding the S. Because no matter what is what it is for free not ever realizing that when you take it from people whether it's direct taxation or whether it's through deficit financing or purnea money is it's a challenge to the middle class and they're right when they're complaining about the middle class but they're wrong in finding out. What the explanation is so? This type of activity doesn't provide national security. It doesn't have helped the financial security of the people in it really doesn't Provide a move toward peace and prosperity. I would think if the Russians in the Ukrainians would have to sort that out and might not satisfy around the world but But that's the way they fought over that place. How how long was You know the Russians and the Ukrainians during that Crimea has been more Russian has been Ukraine has zero the history. That is the big question. How does this money this one hundred twenty five million two hundred and fifty million? How does this make us safer? How does this help us? What does it do with us? Except for the elites and let's don't forget Joe Biden standing up there saying hey I got a billion dollars here poorer Shaneco but you gotta fire that. Guy Who is investigating my son or you. Don't get this dollars. I mean you think Americans when they were watching him give away our billion dollars. Oh that's great. We're so happy we're going to be so much safer now see. I don't think we'll be able to ever know the absolute truth the motivations of trump and everybody else on this but they should understand that this type of activity passing out tax payers money and picking size is always political and one of the conditions at trump mentioned. Of course that was part of his defense. Is that the law. Says you don't send the money if there's corruption I keep thinking that trump probably if he had been more upfront. Say you know there is corruption? Aaron I'M NOT GONNA give it to him but you know he's he doesn't back down very much but on this when he backed down and they quickly sent the money because the heat was on and the impeachment process was occurring but it It's a real shame. But the the problem and the argument whether it's legitimate or political or quid. Pro Quo is secondary to this principle. We just talked about and the principle of stealing from the American people in passing out to Benefit the military industrial complex and the deep state. Where THE REAL PROBLEM? And we should again mention this. This whole thing goes back really essentially too late twenty thirteen early twenty fourteen one. The Obama Administration got the bright idea. Hey let's do a coup in Ukraine. What could go wrong? You know and but here you talk about corruption. Here's an example of corruption it would have given all the justification trump needed to withhold. The money remember back in September of Twenty nineteen the. Us sent a couple of old coast guard cutters to Ukraine In that was hailed as signed support after this provocation encourage but the plans to send those coast guard ships to Ukraine. That wasn't trump's idea that was launched in two thousand fourteen under Obama to give him these ships and this was trump again just continuing vomits policy plus a why would it take him for years to get these ships well. One of the reasons is that Ukraine had its own shipbuilding company and they didn't want free American ships because they wanted a contract to build those ships. Well it was the only ship company in Ukraine. And Guess who owned it for a Shaneco? The president himself own the only ship bill. I don't want your free. Ships built an American tradition. Exactly so you know in a big backer of this ship. Transfer by the way was a former. Us Ambassador to Ukraine. Marie Ianovich who made an appearance at the impeachment hearings? Saying trump went against the interagency from point against the interagency. Corruption is spread widely. I think on this deal Dame Bay ever reminder about the executive branch of government overall you know these things can always go back to the type of foreign policy. We have you immediately. Were able to take this and Lincoln back to to Obama just like Syria Time for to go so it's it's a linkage as a continuation of is a foreign policy that I claim has been bipartisan. For a long time because they capitulate to the deep state that have a lot of special interests and It never seemed to change demagoguing and they'll try to get a political Benefit from it and when the dust settles the same. Same Old stuff that they we've been putting up with for a long time. You know I think. In the beginning we sort of talked about the problems financially going on now and also this incident and I think we you know one of these days and I've said this many times one of these days we're just going to run out of money and maybe we've reaching that point right now. The only thing that anybody wants is a ten year treasury bill and now it's like points seven percent paying its negative interest rates and. They're so many dollars they're just finding. What do we do with You can't find a box to put man. You don't have bills. You don't buy stocks anymore. We pumped up the stock market crash. So right now it's government securities and We think the government is insecure. I mean we have deficits of what twenty two trillion dollars. And what do we do? Print more money and run up the deficit higher. Spend more money and that will solve the problem and and just not like what you pointed out. The the international bodies are doing this to all governments. I think are central. Banks work hand in glove with other central banks. But we're just more powerful and And we're able to get away with a lot longer but the dollar has remained relatively strong. Except it's been weaker than it had been for a long time. It has has weakens so that's a sign of of things breaking down and we the fireworks haven't finished yet and I hope we don't have fireworks as a distraction because once once the troops are being fired on and troops are are are killed there. There's no there's no no chance to come up with a a a logical discourse people will just say Oh. You're you're an American if you're not ready to go to war is Russia Russia. Let's go get Russians. You know that sort of thing when you talk about fireworks and makes you wonder whether there might be just some small precipitating event that leads the whole house of cards to form we before we went on air. We were both talking about Tom. Longo had a good piece on on Lou Rockwell dot com or he talked about the implications of Russia's saying no in this context. It was saying no over trying to artificially prop up the oil price house. You know with the Saudis with OPEC but also with the US and Tom makes a good point that the Russians are able to extract oil for about twenty bucks a barrel. The Americans can't do it for anywhere near that. So depressed oil going down from the seventies now to the forties and who knows what what the bottom is on that by the Russians not agreeing to artificially prop it up. This may be the precipitating event. Who knows you know? I always argued and I was always challenged by too because As much as I like technology and I think it's good that we know how to do fracking. There should be consideration for the environment. And all these things but I always believe this was excessive because there is financing you know unlimited finances at lower than market rate and people went and invested in this. And you make the port perfect point because if it's a world market which it should be that the Russians if if we could treat people decently and get along these trade I mean the Russian would sell US oil. I mean they were anxious after you know. After the Soviet system disappeared they wanted to do so That's where the oil should be coming from. And all of a sudden fracking is losing. Its shirt right now. Going down sharply and we can't compete with it and and Putin's now is looks like he's getting more economic power and authority over the oil industry anyway and they have no debt and tons and tons of gold so anyway. If we're ready to close I'll just start with my weekly reminder and we'll we'll do some announcements of speakers in the course of the week but just to get your tickets. For the Ron Paul Institute May Conference in Houston. Lots to talk about. The focus is going to be on the war on speech. But we'll touch on things like social media. What should we do about the big social media companies in bed with governments So there will be plenty of talk about plenty of guests Ron Paul Institute Dot Org Slash Conference more info and tickets barry good. Hopefully we have a good turn out like we always do it so far. Good so far it'd be a good and interesting Meeting that will have but I do want to thank all our viewers for once again Tuning in we are doing well. Our numbers are growing. We're having more subscribers than before and we always feel subtlety threatened by the individuals. Cutting US off and get I think the Internet is too big to be destroyed and we make good use of it but there will also be limitations in the as long as we're able to get this program down and get it out to we're going to do it and I think that that will last even though there might be some spots that will be rough and tumble but you know When the international politicians get involved in the Cultural Marxists involved in defining and enforcing the First Amendment? You know we can be in trouble. It's it's it can be pretty pretty horrible but I think Today on our little review of what's going over Going on in Ukraine is important because it is a distraction it represents a just another example and a typical example of how we run our foreign policy. Never helping the American people hurting the American people we pay for. We'd lose our civil liberties because we're involved in just think of what's happened. In this century it's been downhill for the Protection of Liberty. And that is the reason we have to keep talking about the First Amendment of freedom to express ourselves also foreign policy which keeps us out of trouble and mischief and emphasize more. You know Trading with people that hasn't been done so well this last several years it's Always threats and intimidation and who who knows who knows what but I think that That it's available to us and maybe out of necessity It will change and what we WANNA do is work on the change for the better not for the change to make it worse and just say hey you know. Things are terrible. What we need is a dictator. That will give everybody whatever they want. Because it's free stuff. I mean that has to be canceled out that thought. Because there's too many people buy into this so anyway. I want to really thank you for the support you have given us. We appreciate that very much and please return to liberty reports soon.

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Alina and Scott Talk Ukraine and Russia

The Lawfare Podcast

53:43 min | 2 years ago

Alina and Scott Talk Ukraine and Russia

"This kind of leads to this question today about you know, what are the rights? What is is this a proper thing for Russia to be able to do and kinda complicated argument? Ironically, the kind of internal sees arrangement is the double edged sword. It says say essentially that Ukraine does have access should have accessed and see if his offer a variety of purposes, but it doesn't set out very concrete rules about that's how that's supposed to be realized. In contrast, unique mentioned the law of the sea. If this if this were not considered an eternal per tune, dad agreement or just the journal practices states would guarantee you crane rites of passage, even if this work inside Russian territorial waters, I'm Benjamin witness. And this is the law fair podcast, November twenty seventh two thousand eighteen I know you thought naval warfare was dead. But this week Russia and Ukraine went at it any straight. You've probably never heard of the curse strait which separates. It's the Black Sea from the sea of Zoff. It's the latest salvo in Russia's secret not-so-secret war against Ukraine over Crimea over the two provinces in eastern, Ukraine. And it's the latest thing that has the world talking about Ladimir, Putin's lawlessness in his backyard with me in the jungle studio to talk about it. All our my Brookings colleagues Alina pull yakuza of the foreign policy program and Scott Anderson of law fair and the governance studies program we talked about what happened this week. We talked about the international law implications, we talked about the domestic politics in both Ukraine and Russia the name Donald Trump never came up. It's the law fair podcast episode three hundred sixty eight we've done a lot of episodes people Alina. And Scott talk, Ukraine and Russia Elena. Let's start for those who haven't been, you know, religiously following each incremental development in the new Crimean war. What happened over the last few days between Ukraine and Russia, and well, let's start there. What happened? So if you haven't been following the the recent developments, basically what happened over the weekend was that? There was an attack by a Russian vessel a Russian navy ship on a Ukrainian tugboat, the Russian ship, basically, rammed the Ukrainian tugboat in the sea of so for listeners that don't know where the see of is it's a relatively small body of water that is bordered by Ukraine on the west Russia on the east and to the south you have what is called the Kerch strait, and the Kurds straight is this passage. Dj that connects the sea of Zoff to the much larger Black Sea, and it's also a contested area because it also connects Crimea, which occupies to mainland Russia via bridge that the Russians built in may of this year and so- tensions have been escalating in this water. Jim for quite some time. It's a small area, and it's an important area for commercial and merchant ships to pass to Ukrainian ports, and since about may we've seen esscalation a Russian military activity. More vessels more ships in the area. Also Ukrainian activity trying to keep an eye on what the Washington doing. And then, you know, finally over the weekend, it all came to a head and quickly escalated to the point where you know, based on recent reports, we know that the Russians have not taken three Ukrainian ships into custody. They're also holding some conflicting reports somewhere between twenty three and twenty six. Ukrainian, sailors, some of those were injured in the in the fires that the Russian ships allegedly fired the Ukrainian side, and so this is basically where we are today. The Ukrainian government has responded to this by instituting, a temporary martial law for about thirty days on some regions of Ukraine, which of course, is also a problematic decision to say to say the least. Okay. So let's unpack because there's a huge amount in that very brief an admirable account. Why would Russia want to interfere with a Ukrainian tugboat going through the Kirch straight into the sea of Zoff? Well, with the Russian side claims is that they basically have sovereignty over the curb. Straight and the see of us all that is not true necessarily of because in two thousand three. There was an agreement reached between Ukraine and Russia, obviously, very different political and historical moment, but that agreement still in place and in gives you crane and Russia dual control of the Sierras, oh and also dual control of the cared straight. Now things changed quite dramatically in two thousand fourteen which is when Russia invaded Crimea and militarily continues to occupy and since two thousand fourteen is actually built up Crimea to be much more of a military base for Russia. And now what we see the Russians doing. It's not that different from what I think the Chinese have been doing the South China Sea where they express sovereignty over this body of water because they claim sovereignty over certain landmass and what they're doing. Now, they blocked this very critical passageway the Kerch strait, which is already costing that Ukrainian economy, potentially millions. Because lowing down shipments into major ports in Ukraine, and what there will likely do though we don't really know yet in. This is the long-term objective is to continue to block that passageway with potentially forcing commercial vessels to pay a passage fees to get through Kurt straight to get to those critical ports. So basically asserting sovereignty over these waterways again in violation of multiple international agreements. So to understand what you just said, the listener hasta visualize, I think the geography here, which is you got the large black siege of south, and then separating the Black Sea from Ukraine is the Crimean peninsula, which of course, is Ukrainian sovereign territory. But annexed by Russia in the earlier iteration two thousand fourteen and then there's this little. Double of see the as obscene between the Crimean peninsula and kind of Ukraine Russia to the north that is Ukraine set of ports right to southern ports. Correct. If they don't have the the Crimean peninsula itself which borders went we, you know, which abuts the Black Sea itself. Right. I think it's critical to understand about this. And you know, everybody that still confused by geography should go Google maps and have a look at the mapping, and that's incredibly helpful to get a better idea of why this area, so prone to potential accidents and conflicts, and why skirmish like this was almost inevitable when Russia decor Crimea. Russia didn't actually have a land pass to get supplies to individuals that they now consider Russian citizens in. So what the Russians did in may was to great fanfare build this bridge over the Kerch strait that. Little connector that you're talking about bed that canal connects mainland Russia to the Crimean peninsula. Allowing Russians into push through shipments, various goods and services soldiers equipment as well. Obviously all the way to Crimea there. Still having problems supplying Crimea with other basic services like electrically which still has to go through a mainland, Ukraine. If you wanna call it that and but ever since they built this bridge, the conflict has been escalating because they also built the bridge in such a way that already precluded some very large commercial vessels from being able to pass under it, which men that already started to hurt Ukrainian ports as you mentioned. Ben the Ukrainians now have to critical ports that connect to the block CV of the of solve and via the Kerch strait. Those two ports have also been under attack or tempted attack. By Russia back in twenty fourteen when they were attempting to basically get to Crimea through the land territory of Ukraine before they build that bridge. So this gets pretty complicated pretty fast. I think the the big question of what is motivating Russia to do. This now has everything to do with one. They wanted them wanted to consolidate their claim on Crimea and the waterways surrounding Crimea and to wanting to really squeeze strangle those key Ukrainian ports putting a lot more pressure on the Ukrainian economy in a way that they weren't able to buy land in back in twenty fourteen. So it's reasonable to understand this as a as an extension of the two thousand fourteen conflict over Crimea is that fair. Absolutely. It's an expansion extension of the conflict by the Russian side. Okay. Meanwhile. While there's this other Russia, Ukraine conflict over the eastern Ukrainian done boss region. Which is you know, if you're if you're rushing oriented has a ethnic Russian population that wants autonomy slash independence. If you're Ukrainian has been occupied by Russian forces. The truth is clearly closer to the Ukrainian side there to what extent is that one conflict and with the same conflict as the Crimea conflict, and to what extent that an independent set of issues. And how does it relate to what's going on Navaly? Now. That's a great question. All of this is connected. So I get if we whip out our Google maps, which are critical as having this conversation. And if we look at Ukraine's east there are now these contested. Territories that Ukraine says it was a Russian backed force Russian invasion of its eastern territory. So let's remember then twenty fourteen there were two separate offensives of the Russians launched one was to militarily occupied Crimea, and then illegally annex it and claim it as part of Russia meeting people living in Crimea would have to become Russian citizens. And then there was a second front opened by land on the Ukrainian Russian border where you had basically Russian mercenary groups that we've heard a bit more about operating places like Syria and Africa's well since twenty fourteen basically these groups and also some regular Russian military forces invading through Russia into eastern Ukraine, and we now have these two separate stir Tories in Ukraine's east called the the Nasc Luhansk, quote unquote people's republics now if. We're looking at a map this eastern conflict at one point when at the peak of fighting was moving very very quickly towards Ukraine southeast where whereas that it was moving very quickly towards the support cities that we've been talking about that are on the seat of Zoll in particular ah, very important city that most people have never heard about called Madhuku. So it seemed for a while the Russian intention back in twenty fourteen twenty fifteen was to keep pushing through Ukraine down to the sea of us via land to take manuka and keep pushing further and further until they got to Crimea, basically, giving them a road from where they could reach Crimea via land they failed at this. Because the Ukrainians really dug in multiple and the Russians didn't take the risk of pushing further inland. And then we basically have had a more or less. Frozen conflict zone. They're still active fighting, but the border has not been shifting significantly since then. And now what we're seeing is this new offensive. This looks like is trying to achieve what the original offensive failed to do which is again squeeze multiple with economic pressure on then hopefully, it seems unless there's a strong red line drawn there maybe get dude that full takeover southeastern Ukraine at some point. We haven't seen the escalation yet. But I don't think it's outside the realm of possibilities. Just true to round out the geography, if you magin the c as of as of as a it's basically a circle are kind of oval sitting above the black say the left hand side of it. The lower left hand side is the of the edges the Crimean peninsula. The Russians took control. Of that. And above it on the left hand side, the Russians kind of grabbed these two provinces and are threatening to push south to encircle. The Ukrainian side of the C, which is their only port access is that is that a reasonable sort of account of the map. Yes. A lo-. It's their only port access. It will be the only port access on the sea of Zoff clients have access on the other side of Crimea to the Black Sea most notably via Odessa, which is on the block, see. So it's not the Ukrainians only ports, but they are important ports, especially for that conflict ridden southeastern region to continue to get supplies. So again, if we're looking at a map, and we're looking at this oval water mass the sea of ZOA of what it looks like is if is kind of a Donut around it a ring. That the Russians tried to impose via land for years ago and failed and now seem to be kinda taking the tact from from the sea to achieve what they weren't able to achieve before as as I mentioned. Okay. This brings us to a raft of interesting legal questions, Scott. But before we get to the international legal questions. I wanna talk briefly about the domestic Ukrainian imposition of martial law at least partial martial law. So Alina lack of through what happened they are. And to what extent this is. Now, a sort of Ukrainian Democratic's rat sort of quite apart from from anything else that might be going on. So it was interesting. Of course, is that nothing. In this part of the role is devoid of politics. And in some ways, we could see this escalation in the sea of ZOA as sort of standard military maneuver, you know, if you think about an aggressive force that is trying to control the land territory they fail coming in from one side. And so they're trying the pass through the c- to achieve the same potential ends. So it looks like a a pretty traditional strategic military move. The is still I think relatively constrained in restraint in its ultimate objective. I do wanna mention that. Because you know of the commentary about this escalation has been asking the question is this the beginning of an international conflict is this up potential a path to world's towards, you know, World War three. I don't think the probability of that is very high. In fact, I think it's quite low. What I think this looks much more like a kind of standard washing creep where they. Tried to gain further for the control of territories. They see within their own sphere of influence, but they're not interested in art incentivizes start a conflict, but they know perfectly. Well, if they did the Crean's would be completely outflanked out gone. They cannot defend themselves against Russian military might in the sea or land. But what's been happening, Ukraine? Of course, domestically is that Ukraine is an election season the presidential elections are coming up in March. The current president petro Persian co is polling in the single digits has been very very unpopular, and even before this escalation is a lot of speculation that he would try to postpone the elections thinking that was somehow benefit him. Politically will buy him more time, you can make up all kinds of reasons why he'd be interested in doing that. And so we have this interesting move by the president of Ukraine when this esscalation happens over the weekend. When the Russian ship Ramsey tugboat to propose imposing martial law now in all the conflict that we've seen full than Ukraine, relax, four years. Active fighting thousands of Ukrainians killed thousands of them killed the government has never imposed martial law. So this seemed like a very extreme move on his part that was likely politically motivated he took this proposal to the cranium parliament which contested and outcome. We got was not a sixty day Marshall out of the president had proposed but a thirty day martial law term, the only affects the cranium provinces that are close to line of conflict. So it's not for all of Ukraine. It's released of the eastern regions where there is fighting going on Ukraine's east Ukraine southeast where the sea of altercation has been happening. So it is a limb. Wanted martial law, and it is only thirty days, and the president has been forced to guarantee that the president presidential elections will go as scheduled but still this was by all accounts, an extreme move in in the bigger context. All right. So you mentioned one honesty here, which is that Pora shaneco is pulling in the single digit approval space, which is, you know, bad even by the standards of safe US congressional approval ratings. I look at Pora Schenk. Oh, and I say boy if anybody in the world has been delta tough handed petro Pora shaneco comes in after Yana kovic is ousted in. You know has this immediate war with, you know, a rump superpower and his country is in comic disaster zone and the. World will not you know, stand up for Ukrainian sovereignty over Crimea. And I look at Porsche Anco as somebody who has, you know, had a really really tough hand to play. Why is he unpopular domestically? I is there some source of that that is sort of other than that his situation is essentially unmanageable. Well, I think you're Sussman is completely on point. Ben. There's no question that anybody that came into this position of being Ukrainian president after a massive uprising democratic surprising revolution, the former president fleeing to Russia Yanukovych who you mentioned, and you create and basically being left with no money in its budget. Ukrainian state budget was completely robbed by the previous regime. And so no question that he was dealt a very difficult hand, plus an open military conflict with a military power that Ukraine cannot match and cannot defend itself against and had no military to protect itself with Ukrainian army was really in shambles of when the the Russians started to invade in Crimea and in eastern Ukraine as well. So despite that there'd been a lot of questions allegations about his own integrity mean the presence in. Segue many suspect and see the he has been blocking some serious reforms in Ukraine that he sort of still part of the old regime Inter's of his mentality. At least that he sees his office as a way to profit not as a way to serve his people. He certainly came into office some money of his own. He was known as the chocolate czar before he came into office for being for only one the largest chocolate candy manufacturers in Ukraine, all the factories in Russia, and he hasn't lost as money. Unlike many other Ukrainian mini guards all the guards have as a result of this of this conflict. There's also questions about his ability at to defend Ukraine as the leader of the country his ability to get western support. We should know that the IMF had to halt its payments to Ukraine because it didn't judge that. The government was doing enough to push through various economic reforms. So there's been a lot of disillusionment with partial income on the Ukrainian people, especially because he seen is still corrupt still incapable of providing the kinds of vision and leadership the crane really needs right now. But I would also know that this is pretty normal in Ukraine, you know, for years for decades, we've seen this kind of euphoria about new leader those going to bring Ukraine into the full of euros land to western integration. And that just as soon as they come to power just doesn't come to pass. And so I think the the danger in Ukraine now is people are looking to other potential solutions that could actually be much more detrimental to Ukraine, I'm talking here about a woman by the name of Yulia Timoshenko, the some listeners may recognize at least visually. She's his blonde braids the she wears up in the traditional way. As she's been around politics, quite some time, and she's kind of bushing for much more populist agenda that we've seen emerge across Europe in recent years, and she is now the favored person to at least make it through the first round of the presidential elections and into the second round. Okay, scott. So this is a from an international law. Finan- few what you might call a target rich environment where to start let's start with the specific incident. How do you evaluate it was the incident self I think we need to put in a broader context historically illegally? So let me bring it back a little bit to put us in a situation of understanding with the rules governing. Maritime traffic in the of his off might be under different a couple of different scenarios. There was a time where there is kind of no controversy no dispute over the rules that govern here, and that was in before nineteen ninety one at that time the evolve essentially landlocked within the. Soviet Union and the Soviet Union at the time said this is our internal see a body of water that entirely subject to our sovereignty and international agreements for great Salt Lake, right? Perhaps exactly or you know, a variety of of other lake Champlain. I think is entirely landlocked United States. I could be wrong on that. But, but I think I believe it is an example like that where there's no dispute there's no international traffic that can go through because it's really a see that is doesn't lead anywhere, but to that country to the Soviet Union that case within its territory after nineteen ninety one when Ukraine broke away there became this open question saying, what is the scene out at that point Ukraine had about half, the circle may be a little more than half of the circle including Crimea, including this northern stretch where Mary polls when these other cities that Alina was describing fit in. And Russia had the eastern half. And they both met at the car straight Russians in control of the eastern half, the Ukrainians control the western half, which is part of Crimea. There's a lot of the speed for about the ten years or more after that saying what is the regime governing this? They had developed a kind of set of understandings over what they would do to handle maritime traffic, but the delineation of the exact rights was a subject of dispute a number of times Ukrainian parliament, considered kind of declaring. Hey, these are this is our territorial see this stretch of territory on the western half is subject to our sovereignty which would go in about a certain distance into the sea will not miles. I believe and that this is our area that we're able to control and consider our sovereign territory. We're not gonna have this kind of shared arrangement in two thousand three. However, they ultimately agreed to enter into agreement that Lena Mench where they say. And describe that the his off as being a shared historical internal sea of Ukraine and Russia. And essentially with a dozen practices. It kind of says, hey, this is our issue general rules governing the law of the convention on the law of the sea being the most prominent one your default rules, don't really apply here. We're gonna come up with our own separate arrangements and this agreement of follow on agreements establish a bunch of sort of procedures about how maritime traffic was gonna be manage information sharing inspection rights things like that the Russians and Ukrainian authorities. We're going to share amongst each other that arrangement more or less proceeded up until two thousand fourteen with the seizure and eventual claimed annexation of Crimea by Russia. Russia now considers Crimea to be part of Russia, although it is pretty much the only state of us at that way, or one of very few that kind of changes, the dynamics here because all of a sudden the curse straight at from the Russian perspective wasn't something that shared with the Crimeans, it's entirely under Russian control on both sides. One thing that that leads them to do. Start building the bridge. Lena mention which connects these territories, obviously, something you wouldn't do if one half of the territory was still considered Ukrainian, and it gives them control defacto controls, no legal control of the maritime traffic. So what the Russians say up until this point is that they essentially say, hey, these are still we're still treating the c as subject to this kind of condominium arrangement to these subset of rules that we worked out the Ukrainians. They let you crane ships go through at various points to these ports, but they do it subject to their terms and their conditions. They say we're going to inspect the ships were only allow certain number of ships through and then most importantly, Lena, mention they build this bridge that dramatically narrows the amount of maritime traffic that can go through the gives them a doorway that they can patrol in block very easily so easily in fact that to block the entry into the office only requires them to park a single tanker across the gap under the bridge that boats can get through, and that's shuts off the his of the Ukrainians have respond. Did this on a number of different ways? I in two thousand sixteen they filed a lawsuit on arbitration claim before the permanent Korver betray shin pursuant to the UN convention of the law of the Saint claiming that building this bridge with holding Ukrainian rights to kind of passage through into the sea of his up violets convention of the law of the sea, violates the right that Ukraine has to that convention to which both Russia and the Ukraine are parties. Russia says this doesn't UN convention laws. He doesn't apply here because this is still an internal see that convention doesn't apply intricacies. There's kind of a jurisdictional debate going on there in the first instance, we're still waiting to be resolved and those proceedings are entirely public. We don't exactly know their current state or the full scope of arguments that are being made there. The other thing that Ukraine does is it starts pushing the envelope. So in a few incidents, I think the last one was Tober Lena minnow better than I do. There's a case where Ukrainian ships, basically ran the sort of a network of arrangements that the Russians were were maintaining. And without seeking these permission authorization moved a few ships into the sea of his off essentially during a period in which the Russians just weren't paying enough. Attention. I think that probably were were correctly seen as kind of a direct predecessor to this incident. This incident the Russians say, hey, Ukrainians, you aren't playing the game. They say this is an act of Ukrainian provocation McHugh cranes or refusing to comply with the rules that they've set forward for maritime traffic coming into the Vazza. I'm not sure if we know the extent what Ukraine was complying with the rules as Russia's tablist. We know in the past they haven't always with these Ukrainian ships, but then Russia respond in this case, very forcefully by seizing the ships opening fire on them ramming them in an effort to enforce this kind of maritime regime and now is threatening. And I think if defacto is at this point shutting down maritime traffic into the entire tirelessly. This kind of leads us to this question today about you know, what are the rights? What is is this a proper thing for Russia to be able to do and kind of complicated argument? Ironically, the kind of internal sees arrangement is both the double edged sword. It says say essentially that Ukraine does have access should have access to the his offer a variety of purposes, but it doesn't set out very concrete rules about that's how it's supposed to be realized in contrast that you adventure the law of the sea. If this if this were not considered internal see per tune data agreement or just a general practice of the states would guarantee you crane rites of passage, even if this work considered Russian territorial waters, they would have a right of passage to their own territorial waters on the other side one. That's not even clear could be suspended in all circumstances. So, you know, there is this complicated legal argument about saying what are the positions of the state's going to be moving forward as likely in a state of flux. What's interesting about the contents? Celia out Scott is that the the Russians have already defacto been exerting expanding their quote unquote authority to control those waterways, and since it least. May there have been over one hundred fifty ships that the Russian security services death has be have stopped and detained harassed or searched illegally before they're allowed to pass which has caused a lot of logistical delays shipment delays already. So this may seem like a surprise. But certainly we have seen this build up over time. Lease inst- may and we've seen Russians you'll consistently. I think also pushed the envelope. I think waiting for the Ukrainians to take one wrong step. So then they could make the move and say this was a Ukrainian provocation, first and foremost, and we're just responding and we've seen this movie before you know, we've seen it in into thousand eight where the Russians did a similar tagged in Georgia of provoking the Georgian government to start a war with Russia, which they clearly couldn't compete with Russia in that way. And I think the concern is that. We might be watching this movie again now. All right. So let's talk about the international reaction to this because you know, the fine points that will interest the arbitration panel under the under clothes. I is not I think is not the driving question that, you know, is affecting international reaction to this right now, which is much more along the, you know, gestalt lines of is Russia trying to provoke a conflict ally. Georgia two thousand eight a lot Ukraine two thousand fourteen in which. That is then used as an excuse to seize more Ukrainian territory, so the UN Security Council given that Russia has a veto in. It is not an especially promising instruments or restraining Russian behavior in this regard. But Scott what how do you assess what happened in the Security Council over the last couple of days? And you know, is this is this a way of signaling that you know, sort of the rest of the world expects restraint, or is this just a, you know, a kind of flailing on the part of other countries in the world. No, I think we've seen a fairly unified in strong response to this an opposition to kind of Russia's actions. Remember, the UN Security Council meeting was initially called for by Russia in this case on a claim that Ukraine was engaging in provocative behavior. That narrative broke down very quickly. Under strong pressure rolling. My eyes, right. You can build a in a rolling arises that aggressive. So you know, that initial effort to kind of spin this narrative, although I suspect it was intended more for domestic audiences than our national audiences. Nonetheless, broke down very quickly on the internationals fear. We saw the skirt council come out members of council, I should say come out with strong statement, saying essentially, this is seen as a Russian active provocation Ukraine, clearly has some set of rights here. And this is where those states are kind of clinging to these legal detailed about the the state of rights. There's a little Emba Guti sometimes what exactly those rights are. But there's little doubt that Ukraine have some rights to maritime access to its ports in the off. And there's widespread agreement about that among the international community. The difficulty is the veto vote that Russia does have. So the Security Council being able to take actions pursuant to it's chapter seven thirties or other thirties, dictating actions requiring it as international legal matter of other states to resolve this conflict. Seems extremely unlikely. Unless it's something that's voluntarily entered into by Russia. Maybe that's possible. Maybe Russia's decided. This is not the time. We wanna start this and they subject themselves to some sort of range. It's hard to imagine that the likely scenario and said, the more likely scenario is that this is born out through bilateral pressuring action. We see NATO react very strongly, essentially say that they are supportive of Ukraine's claims of rights here, you know, strongly implying there that there may be some sort of military support for that at a certain point. Although there's no clear guarantee, you that necessarily depending on the type of conflict, I might arise from this. But the more kind of unified front and strong reaction you have to the Russian provocation ear that's really the source of pushback as it comes and the threat of additional sanctions. It's an interesting point. I think the note that the foreign ministry of Russia responded, this with very interesting statement saying essentially, this is Ukraine trying to provoke incident simply to give the international community more pretext. Put sub make a subject additional sank. So they at least minimum have sanctions on the mind, and that may be an outcome. We see from this. Those sanctions are going to be on a bilateral basis between the United States European states and other states, they're not going to be UN Security Council back there authorized sanctions. Okay. So this raises a really interesting question that may be a subject of its of his own podcast. But if the principal leverage that the international community has against Russia is not international law, or at least international law. You know, as its major instrumentalities, you know, a Security Council resolution, a, you know, love the sea arbitration is not going to solve Ukraine's problem here, the instrumentalities that may have capacity to do that is unilateral. And multilateral pressure by major Russian trading partners and markets to eat or sanction or restrict Russian activity in fashions that are sufficiently economically damaging as to be meaningful source of pressure. I am interested in, you know, Scott your sense of like, what is that say about the international law instruments that we are relatively quickly developing this other one to restrain that's not that's not even a legal instrument. Exactly. It's a it's a creature of lots of countries domestic laws, right and domestic behavior kind of agreeing on an ad hoc basis to. Gang up on Russia and impose sanctions regime that are sufficiently punishing to restrain behavior that of course mirrors what happened with Iran in the run up to the nuclear deal. I don't wanna go into whether that was a good idea of that idea well done or not. But it does seem like there is this new relatively new. I kind of instrumentality of pushback against, you know, aggressive regimes which is sort of chlorinated sanctions by large numbers of countries that seems like Moore effective in some respects than what we had imagined as the traditional instant international law response to aggressive behavior. And it seems that we seems to be the one that Putin is most afraid of. So what what do we make of that? And and and should that cause any kind of head scratching about the no? Oceano inforce -ment Atkin 'isms that the international community has created a bit. I I think this could be the subject for another podcast. But I I want to go in and just push back on a little bit of the framing of that. Because this activity isn't necessarily that new, and it's also I think a little bit of a misconception to think about the Security Council as the primary enforcement mechanism for international law. Even in these circumstances international law is a decentralized body that is always had an a range of enforcement mechanisms and even the UN charter doesn't anticipate that the Security Council is going to be the line of first resort for a variety of types of actions. It intimates number of responses to internationally global Gatien's councils in in many ways designed to be the line of last resort. Now here we have a case with Russia being veto power. And that's that is a challenge. That's undeniably, hugely weakening to the Security Council, particularly because Russia has proven much more aggressive with its veto. Sense. You know, somewhat argument dates back to the Libyan intervention and concerns that United States overstep tallies, overstepped the authorisation there some dates earlier that again a longer conversation than we should get into here. But regardless Russia's been very aggressive with its veto and used in ways that of really limited the Security Council's ability to be affected that doesn't mean that the legal considerations here are entirely relevant. I would argue when you have lots of individual states coordinating their actions. The first thing you need to do is get up enough point of greement to say, hey, this is where we think the lines of conduct are acceptable. This is where unacceptable and these are the land will rethink we're going to coordinate a response. That's what treaties like the law of the treaty. Do they establish the rules of the game? And those rules are laid out coordinating multilateral efforts to enforce those even outside the context of the Security Council becomes much easier. Because again, they've already agreed on the rules of the game. Particularly here with the infant in the law of the sea, which the United States isn't a party to. But it recognizes that a lot of the rules reflect customer national law most dates really are party's convention at this point here. You know, it establishes a really baseline set of rules that are relied upon heavily by lots of states in the national community. They provide it not only the guarantees to its rights Dexter size mineral rights for for underneath sees that are betting it its rights to territorial sea. But perhaps more importantly, it's it's right to navigation and innocent passage through other territorial waters, it's rights to engage in international maritime traffic. And when we hear about things like font ops in regards to China in the South China Sea in these other context, that's freedom of navigation operations that the navy undertakes in, sir. Other militaries around the world that's a sign of important. These rights are being viewed by number of governments not just the United States. Even though again, it's been courted on multilateral basis. Not through international sitution. So I don't think it's a. Sign that the legal considerations are weaker here. I think it's a sign that the Security Council as an institution is handicapped. It's handicapped by the fact, there's this veto power. Then Russia's not the only one who sees that who benefits from that the United States does as well. You can look at UN Security Council resolutions reading Israel for the last thirty years. A lot of people in ask community say, that's example, of the United States veto power making these skirt ineffective. United States isn't feel that way. Israel doesn't feel that way. But that complaints there in a variety of fronts. That's why there are these other mechanisms in place that turn to the same international legal lines and rely on them to help coordinate conduct that can enforce international law in the absence of those institutions just to add to to you're saying, Scott and Ben's point about sanctions really becoming the favourite tool of imposing consequence punishments on you know, bad behavior of other states by the United States and also by Europe you'll seeing. In terms of the US policy and the policy on Russia is of course, sanctions have become the ultimate tool, but the US has now moved with the Trump administration to institute any additional sanctions on Russia for whether there'd be it's a cyber hacking activity against international organizations, whether before selection to fear in the US and elsewhere for its actions in Ukraine, previously or in Syria. The US is really moved institute these unilaterally, and I think that weakens the unified fron the community has been able to have these v. Russia previously also brings up the question of whether the sanctions regime has been affected at all. Because if we think of sanctions as a policy tool that supposed to be a deterrent at to prevent future bad behavior. Then I think the sea of zovut collation of been discussing is a clear counterpoint to that. Effectiveness of deterrent. Because clearly the Russia has continued to act with relative impunity. Because I don't think the Kremlin sees the international community responding in in a coherent strong way to whatever it wants to do especially in Ukraine, which is not a NATO Member State, which is not an Email Member State where the US, you know, from the point of view of some here in Washington has limited security interests. So I think the question that I'm thinking a lot about these days. Maybe what having a podcast around this as well is, you know, how do we understand sanctions policy in effective? And there's a lot of conversations now happening congress on international response. The ranking member of the center for relations committee, a sentimentalist put out a statement asking congressional members to now really put back on the docket. The so-called Daska legislation. Which would allow a congress doom pose increasing the crippling broad economic sanctions on Russia. And so we're seeing this push towards more and more sanctions. But without a clear vision of ends. And I think this is to my mind, I really critical moment to start thinking about what are the policy tools that the US actually has the beyond the UN Security Council. It's limitations beyond international law in some ways. Because Russia doesn't seem to care about that either. Neither does China's just certain extent. So if sanctions are our main tool other really effective, and if they're not, you know, what what's the reality that were trying to affect on the ground when it comes to these, you know, rising authoritarian regimes like Russia, I can agree with that more and the kind of unilateral inclination of US sanctions that is on display here. In regard to Russia and evolve another Iran is by the clearest example of that. It really is could potentially be a long term problem, and it's the multilateral nature. The coordination of it providing a unified front that makes anxious effective and sustainable and has the most effect. I'm not sure I entirely agree with what we that. Russia is an affected by the sanctions or concerned about them that counterfactual about what they would do in the absence of thanks, certainly it's not a one to one, you know, naps absolute bar that would prevent any sort of provocative behavior. But I would say it is the inclination of this ministration of the United States more. Generally, I would say to not want to go through the effort of fully coordinating, these instead wield its unilateral economic heft that can limit the effectiveness and a certain point you're gonna hit a tipping point with sanctions where states are not gonna have the same level of engagement. They're not going to coordinate and pass along with them. And then the United States really gonna lose it sanctions edge. So hundred sent agree that these sorts of use of these tools unilaterally needs to be looked at really closely. Okay. So before we wrap up a Lena. I wanna talk a little bit about the domestic Russian politics. Here you were not on a sort of ongoing basis. Don't imagine Putin as a kind of tensely tall giant who's kind of capable of anything. There has been some speculation in the press of late that this set of actions, and this crisis is triggered in part as a function of declining popularity domestically. And so I'm just interested in your sense. How should we understand decision to do this? Now I in relation to domestic Russian politics. Sure. I mean, there's been a lot of speculation about what the Kremlin might do in light of Putin's dropping approval ratings. The reason his approval ratings have dropped in April from a high of eighty two percent or so. An enviable high number for any leader even throw -tarian country to now to about sixty six percent in October so still high but not for Putin. So Putin has basically been back now to the same approval ratings. He had before the annexation of Crimea, and then Russia's takeover of Crimea, really bumped him up twenty to thirty points all at once and ratings essentially, stay that high until recently. So why have they dropped this has all to do with domestic politics the Russian economy because of its own doing, and because of the fluctuation in oil prices on which Russia continues to be almost fully dependent on for state revenue has finally forced the Kremlin to institute, some really unpopular conomic reforms most notably increasing the pension age of Russian men from sixty sixty five and women fifty five to sixty which. Think in the US sounds perfectly reasonable, but we have to remember that the life expectancy for Russia sixty six and so would the regime has been telling the people is, you know, we're going to continue to steal from you. And enrich ourselves with our fancy Oddsson, whatever else Bank accounts realestate in London. But you now have to work till the graving never going to see that pension that we've promised you. And so this is actually lead to some demonstrations and the drop in Putin's rating can be pretty much attributed to this unpopular policy. And so the question has been okay while in all these months since April till now the Kremlin going to do. And so we easy to say, well, the Kremlin's looking for another foreign policy venture like Crimea that will boost Putin's ratings again there. But the reality is there is no second Crimea. There is no territory that the Russians have the capacity the capability. And the incentive to take in the same way to Crimea. And so I think what's happened in the sea of was almost inevitable because some issues we've been discussing here, the the narrow passageway the the rising potential for accidents and conflict there, but certainly the it's it's hard to see how this escalation this maritimus collation going to really serve Putin domestically. And give them a bump. I think that's still an open question. And I say that because we're going to have to wait and see how the Russian media spins this, but it's going to much more difficult to spin this into, you know, Putin being the great protector of the Russian people Putin putting wash back on the global stage because it is much more complex. It's not so clear cut. Like, we got more land Harare. It's a much more complicated and less exciting foreign policy adventure. So I think that. That remains a question, whether the approval ratings really has something to do with this or this just a something the Russians have been planning for some time and situation the ground kind of force their hand, you know, the other piece to consider here. I think is that at the end of the day. You know, you said Ben about Russia beat ten foot tall. You know, it is. It is true. They will continue to assert their dominance and their control over the countries that are on Russia's proofread. The Russia continues to see as rightfully belonging to its fear of influence, and we're not going to see an end to that anytime soon. There's all speculation about Belarus, for example, a more esscalation 's in places like Moldova in the Caucasus central Asia. But I don't see the Russians having an incentive to really push the envelope. Best to get involvement from the United States, certainly not. They would not be a real competitor to you. US NATO military might nobody wants a war. And I see the recent engagement in the Sierras as relatively constrained military operation and to the service of an assertion over these waterways and landmasses much in the same way as China has been doing so the domestic situation. Russia's driving some of this. But went tribute too much to it quite yet. I think we still have to wait and see how the Kremlin decide to play this. We are going to leave it there. Alina scott. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. Thank you. The law. 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AP Headline News Nov 26 2018 15:00 (EST)

AP Radio News

04:00 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Nov 26 2018 15:00 (EST)

"Holiday tips and wine stories from Kristen, and Paula total wine and more Chardonnay paired with lobster, mashed potatoes, simply delicious, how good am I with wines? Put it this way. My mother-in-law now loves me for introducing her to her favorite wine. Now, there's nothing I can't deal. Whether you're entertaining or just bringing the wine, we'd love to share are always low prices with you this holiday. Cheers. Come explored are twelve northern Virginia locations now open and rest in plaza, America's said der- across from wholefoods shop online. Total wine dot com. AP radio news. I'm Ed Donahue jobs are being cut plants may be closing General Motors, the AP saga megani has the story. GM says it's looking at the future with a focus on a toddler and electric vehicles and notes consumers are shifting from cars to trucks at America's. Biggest automaker will layoff up to fourteen thousand workers in the US and Canada and may close five plants in Maryland, Michigan, Ohio and Ontario. The figures include about eighty one hundred white collar workers some of whom will take buyouts. Some of the factory workers included could transfer to truck or SUV factories that are boosting production. Most of the factories that might close may cars that will not be sold in the US after next year. Saga megani at the White House. Federal prosecutors are fighting a request to unseal an apparent criminal complaint against WikiLeaks, founder, Julian Assange and papers filed near Washington. Prosecutors argue the public has no right to know. Whether a person has been charged until there has been an arrest of Sanchez has been staying in the Ecuador embassy in London under a grant of asylum, and has long expressed fear of US prosecution Mexico's national human rights commission says it reiterates members of the caravans that crossed the country should respect Mexican laws and not engage in actions that affect the communities that they pass through scientists and bioethics experts reacted with shock and anger and alarm to a Chinese researchers claim that he helped make the world's first genetically edited babies. The scientists said he altered the DNA of twin girls. Born earlier this month to try to help them resist possible future infection with the aids virus. The supreme court already ready to allow an antitrust lawsuit to go forward claiming apple unfairly monopolize the market for the sale of iphone apps. This is AP radio news. The Ukrainian parliament voted to impose martial law for thirty days in the wake of the Russian seizure of Ukrainian vessels reaction at the UN US ambassador. Nikki Haley called Russia's seizure of three Ukrainian ships passing through the Kerch strait. Sunday's outrageous violation of sovereign Ukrainian territory. Ukrainian navy says six sailors were injured in the incident. Haley says this is no way for a civilized country you act in the name of international peace and security. Russia must immediately cease. It's unlawful conduct the Representative of Russia, which has been under international sanctions since seizing the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine for years ago. Claims the episode was a deliberate attempt to provoke Russia into war. Warren levinson. New York laze in Turkey searched a mansion belonging to a Saudi citizen after investigators determine the man had been in contact with one of the suspects in the killing of Saudi journalist Jamal kashogi. A state run news agency reports the police spent ten hours there, I'm Ed Donahue, AP radio. News. Holiday tips and wine stories from Paul, Kristen, and Dexter, total wine and more might top tip. Not all gifts have to be for others. Treat yourself Chris Weitz like a floral Soviet-bloc pairs, perfectly, shrimp, cocktail and other light appetizers. Now. That's how you kick off the holiday meal, most adults smile and average of twenty times a day make Twenty-one for someone you love with the perfect bottle from total wine and more. Whether you're entertaining or just bringing the wine, we'd love to share are always low prices and ridiculous election with you this holiday, total wine and more. Cheers.

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ZBT #220: The Navy Secretary Is A Fried Turkey

Zero Blog Thirty

58:45 min | 1 year ago

ZBT #220: The Navy Secretary Is A Fried Turkey

"On today's episode of Zero Block thirty we have five rounds in the magazine round number. One things are getting crazy with our beloved navy. The secretary of the navy was fired after going around. The Secretary of Defense ordered a drug deal with the president regarding navy. Seal Eddie Gallagher. It sounds like a shitty. That honestly sounds like are really Shitty Net flicks movie. But it's it's legitimately real life in something that we have to talk about round number two an army lieutenant. Colonel is taking charge of troops in a combat zone. Like nobody has ever seen before. When you hear this story folks your head will be spinning round number? Three the fucking Russians are back to their old tricks. They're stealing the Ukrainians toilets from their ships. Why would you steal a toilet? That's just a dirty dirty move round number. Four Marine encor Sergeant Brandon Vanda Linda who has been diagnosed with cancer which the Patriots game on Sunday where he was honored with Super Bowl tickets and then he dropped a pass from Tom. Brady like a fucking can boot. We bring him on the show disgust if he followed it or not and round number five. It's our Thanksgiving episode. So we would be remissed if we didn't gather around the Internet thanksgiving table Google and tell you some of the things that we're thankful for. No one better touch the fucking deviled eggs before we finished giving thanks either because deviled eggs is the most thanksgiving giving of all dishes. We all agree on that right. What's I bring the devil to my Thanksgiving taste? I worship Jesus. Grace site No I love deviled eggs but I wouldn't count them as our Thanksgiving staple us you know. Take up room with Di have I have a confession to make. We are having chilly tonight. Venison Chili tonight. 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Free Free Free but if you're looking for some CBD relief relief right before December once again that's Promo Code Z bt for twenty five percent off if your purchase of a high quality CD OIL FROM CBD M D. Let's start the show because my friends. It is packed today here. We go uh-huh do you. Guys have anybody in your life that whenever you have like an argument or anything like that. They can't help. But keep bringing it back up to the the forefront. I think that's like me. I think that's what I do think that that is kind of what's happening with this Eddie Gallagher case case like every time you think that it's out of the news and the Navy is going to move past it whether you support it or you don't support it you think that it's going to be out of the news the next thing you know. I know it's fucking right back at the top of the news and not just the top of the military news. It's like the number one story on. CNN Fox News Msnbc we see AP Stars and Stripes anywhere. You could find news. This story is the top story in the country right now. Well it's very like gossip spill that T- there's like so many layers to it that I get why people are into it and you're right it does read like a weird lifetime movie or something like all the drama from it traps said Netflix. My mind immediately. We went to a story line on one of the real housewives series could be like but either way yes it seems very interesting and it is annoying at this point though I think it kind of especially because any gallagher's to me sounds like hey I'm going on Eddie Gallagher's to get those garlic Parmesan wings. Man It's always GonNa say Eddie Gallagher's is like a go uh-huh cart-racing place. It is in my mind is a wings and go Kart spot any gallagher's nice little spot to go and the thing about this story areas because when we talk about the president states. The president of the United States is inherently political. They're going to be involved in some drama. They're going to be going at like the speaker of the House. If it's on the opposite party or they're going to be going at somebody running to take their spot of the next person you're used to the president being involved in some type of drama you are not used to seeing that from the SECDEF and the secretary of the navy as being involved in the news for drama is not something. That's normal now can you. I like this one of those things that I've been trying to follow and I I just politics if you gave me a quiz right now you'd be like ashamed. Can Somebody break this down for me. Barney style like what who's mad at WHO and why and what is happening now. We can't do that but our good friends. Stars and Stripes types can so what they say is Defense Secretary Mark expert on Sunday fired. The navy's top official who is secretary of the Navy who is the civilian. That's in charge charge of both the Navy and the Marine Corps and that ended a clash between President Donald Trump and top military leaders over the fate of the navy seal who was accused and acquitted of war crimes. Arrives in Iraq. Esperer said that he had lost confidence and Navy Secretary Richard Spencer who is not the Nazi expensive difference. Okay big note and alleged that Spencer proposed a deal with the White House behind his back to resolve the case. That's huge to me. Like ah there's so many things in this story that just kind of get glossed over the navy's so the how the chain of command works. Is that each one of the department secretaries like this this department of the Navy Department of the Airport Department of the army they all report to the Department of Defense. Who is the secretary of Department of fits so because your report there that's where your command goes? If the secretary of the Navy wanted propose something to president trump in all military bearing and all changes of command. He should go through the secdef to get that approval from the president. He doesn't do that. He intentionally goes behind Eh Spurs back back to get to the president. which is the first salacious thing that happened here? Who Trump is champion? The matter of Navy Chief Petty Officer Ever Gallagher who was acquitted of murder in the stabbing death of Islamic state militant captive and convicted of posing with the corpse in Iraq. And that was the only thing that he was actually actually convicted of was was posing with the corpse in Iraq. Spencer's firing was a dramatic. Turn in the fast-changing politically charged controversy. It exposed visuals visuals. Excellent use the fish their time especially maybe even anal fissures. We don't know what kind of if you please clarify at all. So what ended up happening as gallagher. I'm going to go off script. So gallagher was busted down around because he posed with a corpse in Iraq he was busted down from chief to e six during the round of pardons that trump had about a week and a half ago. At this point he re promoted to gallagher from First Class Petty Officer back to Chief Back to e seven and said that the navy needs to be done with it. Well Esper- not asper Richard Spencer. Who was the secretary of the navy? Said I don't view the tweet as an order like a tweet is not an order. I I need to have it in writing cons. Let's go to you first if I tell you something verbally. Is that an order. If I'm the senior person in your the junior person I tell oh you verbally is that an order billion percent yes a billion times you you said it and it's not one of these things where I would say like. Oh I misunderstood a misunderstood or didn't get in writing you tell me something on my face. That's an order like 'cause you just think. Oh I'm sorry everytime let's say we're in combat and you say cons go take that help you better email me. I let me know that you want me to take that hill or otherwise. I can't take that hill so this is ridiculous so but wait the tweet though. There's no guarantee that Spencer would ever see it. There's no whatever so I don't count a tweet as an order at all. Oh I do I think I think that's I mean I think the when the president of the United Estate is saying and he has said many times news and the Supreme Court has upheld it that whenever the president tweets from his personal account. It's like a press release whenever he does does it so whether or not we want to admit it. The the law has said that this is an order. So if he says it and he's giving out essentially a presidential proclamation because he could ride it out as it's a presidential memo and put it out and there's no guarantee that he would see it either so I don't think that that's a good reason for for cause but we've seen this before and the Department of Defense recently with things like the transgender band. Whenever President Trump tweeted out that he wanted that to go away like you wanted to bring about a transgender under Gen Mattis whenever he was secdef said that tweet is not an order like so you had that both sides which is insane to me like? He's the commander in chief he's saying. This is an order when they when they say it's not an order. You say okay boomer. Yeah I don't think it tweets in order but anyway so yeah and so trump tweeted like don't you can't take trident away. You can't remove him from the Navy Seals and that's what this whole scuffle was about. So now where are we at now. So now how because he went around to Spencer went around Esperer to get the trump to try to get him out of with is tried it. S per found out that Richard Spencer went went behind his back and he said you better get fired on the spot because he went behind his back super clear about Esper- learned that Spencer had privately proposed to the White House that gallagher be allowed to retire. His current rank without losing his status as a seal as per said Spencer had not told him of the proposal to to the White House causing him to lose trust and confidence. So that's what it was so wait. So even though Spencer was like no trump tweets non order. He's still like went behind. Esperance back to be like but yeah that's cool right. I don't yeah I don't understand. I don't get why he felt like he had to go round his back. Because that's essentially the outcome that everybody wanted wanted to leave it alone. Asper at his direction gallagher is going to be retired as a ceiling at his current rank. So it gets keep to try and keep his rank which is what everybody wanted overall. So I don't know if that's Esperer Kinda spiting spencer or if he really was going to do that and the entire time. It's very confusing. Something that I didn't realize was so prevalent that the last line in the article. The Navy has revoked one hundred and fifty four tridents since two thousand eleven. I didn't know that that was something that happened. The frequently manager before when you consider there's not that many seals in the community to begin with that seems like a high percentage to me but then I was thinking this is kind of like when they took away. Reggie Bush's heisman like He. He still won the heisman. Right like we all know like two thousand five two hundred six I forget what year was Reggie Bush. One that Heisman so I understand why these seals would be so against losing their trident in the ceremony. Whatever but it doesn't take away the fact that they actually earned it at one one point in their life and I think the current rank that Spencer was trying to get him retire at was East six like I don't think that the actual promotion ceremony back as they can play shit so I wanted him to retire as an E.. Six and he can keep his tried it. But this is another instance. Whenever there's been a lot of talk that Spencer did did this so he could make this public statement? That's public proclamation. That good order and discipline was at stake with these parts so he issued a statement. But I kind of feel like it's like Madison's was a half-measure if you're in this position as the secretary of Navy to make a big statement make it don't don't be like behind the Bush so he said as secretary of the Navy one of the most important responsibilities I have to. Our people is to maintain good order and discipline throughout the the ranks. I regard this as a deadly serious business. The lies of our sailors marines. A civilian teammates quite literally depend on professionalism professional execution of many of our missions and they depend on ongoing faith in support of the people we serve and the allies we serve alongside the rule of law what sets us apart from our adversaries. Good Order and discipline. The plan is what has enabled our victory against four tyranny. Time and time again from Captain Lawrence's famous. Don't give up the ship to the discipline determination. That prepared our flag back to the highest point on Iwo Jima. The Constitution the uniform code of military justice are the shields that set us apart in the beacons that protect us. All though my title ten authority I have strive to ensure our proceedings are fair transparent inconsistent for the newest recruit to the flag and general officer level unfortunately has become apparent. That in this respect I I no longer share the same understanding with with the commander in chief who appointed me in regards to the key principle of good order and discipline. I cannot in good conscience obey an order. I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family my flag and my faces support and defend the constitution of the United States. The president deserves and should expect a secretary of the Navy who is allied with his vision for the future of our force of generation and sustainment on and on and on. I don't just say with just say it with your full throat. Dude say it with your full throat. Yeah because he keeps referring to good order and discipline subverting. The chain of command is not in line with good order and discipline well then to Gallagher went on Fox and friends and whoever his leader was like ripped him on the leader ripped him on the thing and saying he was in subordinate to the president. Like there's so many like wacky Shit's going on with this but I don't know I want to be like what do you do if you're in the navy man like you're in the navy. This is legitimate leadership crisis. Yeah what the fuck do you do do you. There's an open position. Do you think they would let us take over the Navy and Marine Corps. I think they on it should uh-huh shit shoutout to certain Jane Doe on twitter. She said if you make me secretary of the Navy I promised to restore the service to its gory. Days of elaborate elaborate song and dance numbers with a Gif Frank Sinatra from the movie anchors. Away La that'd be Love Holiday Ball. That'd be perfect and Dan then you will be your first order. What's that Kate? If if you were in charge of the navy will be the first thing that you did. ooh Some sort of some sort of certain in every hall like Like like cheese whiz or chocolate or you get to pick every week. It's a different sort of found that you get and the bottom of the fountain would have whatever food went with. It would be shaped like a boat floating for morale purposes. What would you? I like. Jane's idea of bringing back the song and dance numbers a big fan of theater. So like drill drill more razzle-dazzle shackling chaps chaps. I think I would have it where I would get rid of those circle hats because they are ridiculous they wear with just the circle that looked like a dog bowl. GotTa gotta get those things the Fuck Outta here and I don't know if there's like a storable meaning but those those things are fucking ugly. I worry forms in general kind of stink at times. Well I need need to cancel. They had the worst I would say they have the worst. I think the Air Force before they got rid of their Tiger Stripe Camby's the recent upgrade. Katie's look good but but other than that. The navy has the worst uniform. Those all lights. I mean as a big chef. Boyardee lady actor is is insane. You can't use asking for punishment right. Wow well that's if there's one thing we can all agree on in this whole story. It's that it's tough to eat spaghetti in Navy uniform true and I'm GonNa say this the next person I don't care if it's the president I don't care if it's the SECDEF I don't care if it's the new secretary of the navy whoever it might be the next person that makes Eddie Gallagher trend again getting a rebuke total rebuke just sick of it. Alexa go-cart hot wing joint. I'm not listening all right. Let's move onto onto row number. Two guys alright. Clip your feet into the pedals kept out right in front of you. Keep going get ahead of the pack in front of you. Keep going ride it like historic champs. Come on on that hill. Con Spill your heart pumping and all right. Let's get uncomfortable and are breathing right to the be under your feet and anyways this story is about if you know that you know you've been in a spin spin class. Have you guys done it. It's been class. Four in the Marine Corps we had spin class really and it was like by this Russian lady who was like everybody kicks you like what's intense. All the people who work the civilians who worked at the Marine Corps Agenda fucking insane. Oh for sure awesome. Can we say top two. There was a story last week that we didn't say everything but I'd say top two place to meet Jodi. Oh probably some sort of spin. Some SORTA cockfight class anyway. Bagaram Afghanistan under a domed style tent in Bagaram Afghanistan filled old with thumping music and rows of bikes lieutenant. Colonel Joseph Swindle turns into a spin instructor perfect name yes great name more like more like Joseph Spin Dull pendle. It's his way of offering a sense of normalcy in home three times a week to troops stationed in what he calls a safe combat zone when folks come in. I see them giving high fives and hugs. And my intent is to make more than cardio class the forty six year old army aviation officer said understanding the power our of camaraderie comes from not only serving the army. He's got tourist Afghanistan one in Saudi Arabia to in South Korea but also as a spin instructor at cycle bar in Hattiesburg and this guy he's commanded like over one thousand people in his unit. Right now you know. We all have ranked. But when we're teaching we love. We leave all that macho stuff at the doors windows. Bill says I want to create friendships trust and relationships. That will stand over time. Honestly I could see how does being over the dunes close fuck you I. I love this. I think I liked the honesty of saying like look. We're in a safe combat spot. You're an Afghan. We're in a relatively space spot. Let's just get through this seven in months to fifteen months. Whatever that appointment is now? Let's just get through it unless you spit are a little off. Yeah that's look forward to three times a week. It's definitely morale-booster. But I just I have to point out that of course is this an aviation dial it conversely like my lieutenant colonel in Iraq but meathead general darty now general already. We had the big dog club that you you could join if you could bench press over three hundred pounds like go to the gym if you were like. Hey Sir. Radio joined the big dog club. He put this contraption on you that lift. There's where and then he's like smack your chest get you all fired up and then you got this nation guys like let's go guys you're climbing glory. Meanwhile simply the best plan in the background. Yeah it's just completely we're next dump on them on it. I'm not dumping. I think it's awesome. But you have to agree that it's kind of fitting that it's navy aging guy whereas some some branches with my old friends gave you our let it just popped back into my brain thought of this name in a long time. Colonel Colonel Holman used is to play linebacker at Penn state under Joe PA to like and he was a big motherfucker he did. He was the same way. Like where you know. You're you're kind of embarrassed like that. You do certain things at the gym like it isn't a super macho thing to go to spin class to go to like body. Combat are huge colonel. Oh who had like the biggest biceps of anybody I've ever seen. In the Marine Corps would go to Zuma for his cardio. School wants to start the start major. I tried to call him out on it and he was like looks major. I've been in the Marine Corps and I've been running since I was born. He's like I am so tired of running to get my cardio and he's like look who's faster he's like I'd never run. Except for the only cardio I do as Zuma and he pulled up because it's our maters trying to roast them. He pulled up the sheet. He ran a twenty three minute. Three Mile in this art major ran a twenty seven. He's like maybe you should be the most macho thing of all is just being confident confident in yourself. And what works for you because true. I do all the spin classes I've gone to. I've been predominantly female and I'm looking at this guy. He's like he's like like Mr Cl- is built like mister clean. There's nothing wrong. You shouldn't have a problem going to spin class if your hard dude. That's FUCKING TOUGH OUR WE'RE I. I recently did it about six months ago with my wife. It was terrible at forty five minutes to an hour consistently writing and writing hard. It's it's definitely a great workout that I I really enjoy. There's a really good instructor in Hoboken at the gym. I go to and he always says he's really great. Inspirational quotes like writing a winner. Just picture your they gotta be. I hope this colonel spindle. Swindle is got the motivational quotes going to and motivational quotes. Overa- when I'm in Spin Class I think it's great. I'm such a negative person that any positively people try and throw it if you're positive but if Paula you try to find the positive aspect of everything cap somebody's like hey shoot for the moon but if you miss it starts like shutout those are what if they're yelling at you. You think that it's different offense. Believe it but if you open up your bitch ass mouth and screaming at me I might believe it I might start going back to spin class and just taking notes of the things that this Guy Robert says and spin class. Because they're that also I would like to invite Lieutenant. Colonel Joseph swindle if he's ever in New York yes we would treat him to spin cycle class. I would love yes I will not go but I'll hope you guys have a fantastic time thank you. I'm real quick. I know you'll never run. Would would you pedal really hard on a bicycle. Yes okay that's GONNA be in round. Three comes to us from our friends at tasking purpose. Ukrainian naval ships captured by Russia last November and released on Tuesday to be return to Ukraine are in very poor condition and cannot move independently. The commander of Ukraine's Navy set on Wednesday. What a crummy move? It's like you know you borrow something from your pal and you give it back and really crappy shape not cool Russia house just in general if you borrow something from someone. I have a better one because it's kind of chefs me. Somebody steals heals your car and then when you get back it's completely fucked all right better. That's a great example. Thank you perfect. Brush these three ships in the Kerch Strait last year after opening putting fire on them and wounding several sailors. Moscow said the ships too small Ukrainian armored artillery vessels and a tugboat. who takes a tug? I I know that that's just not nice city. Well they they said they had legally entered its territorial waters and Kiev denied that the dispute has caused friction between Moscow and the West which has backed Ukrainian position that the ships should not have been held. The Kerch Strait which separates mainland Russia from. Crimea is the only outlet from the as off see where Ukraine. I hate when news articles do that like do we really need to be told at. The Kirk Strait separates mainland Russia. Camila like who did it and the taint of the everybody knows if if Russia's a hole in Crimea's a whole and I'm gonNA say Russia's the Astle Sel Crimea's the beautiful beautiful here this name. Ukrainian Navy Chief Vice Admiral Ihor Lauren. Kinko Oh told. Ukrainian Fourth Channel Longtime Story. The ships had not yet reached Ukrainian territorial waters. They were being towed so slowly they do not go on in their own. The Russians ruined them even took off lamps power outlets and listen to this toilets. No we will show the whole world the Russian barbarianism towards them wow. I don't know why that word gave me a trip up when I was able to get bored and go but anyway back without toilet. uh-huh meanest thing you could possibly do. Give back their ship without the toilets. They pretty much just chop shop these ships. Yeah like that's exactly what because you're not walking into the ship if you get your shit back you're like hell yeah. Let me go see if my ipad still there and let me go see what my rack looks like. You're not thinking to check the toilets. Before you take off next thing you know you got a bunch of Ukrainians just fucking pissing and shitting off the bow. Imagine this Ukrainian soldier and you're riches house and Perogie down at the local Schnitzel joy and all of a sudden they're like the bolts are back. Oh thank God right as you get there like Oh shit and you go and there's nothing but a hold of the C- Terrible I mean. He reminds me of like the Army Navy game. We went there because when we first had the very first barstool. RV You get in there and your round crowd and nobody wants to go stand in line and take selfie while you're like at a reporter body or anything like that you WANNA go back onto the Barstool bus and do your business. Well if they didn't empty it out. That bad boy has been filled Phil Phil Phil. So there's nothing worse than traveling in a spot that doesn't have operating toilets especially if you're out on the open seas. Because Kate was saying earlier today she wasn't sure if you had diarrhea or not imagine toilets. Thank you for mentioning that I was down the Jersey. Shore go crabbing. You just take on these little crowding boats there. It's like a giant canoe can fit like eight people or whatever and grow enough as little kids. If we take like a dumper be they would just hold us over the the boat. We're not going back to shore I used to do. I'm with to stick me into the ocean bad for the environment you know. The crabs love that donated. Yeah I mean I've never seen a shark swim up to the shore grabs newspaper put it under his little fin and walk doc to the nearest seven eleven to go take a dump their dumping in that thing all the time itself. Nature's toilet maybe they can adopt a new way. Yeah hopefully so this also for all those that are listening that have children. That were once the age of Kate whenever she was five. So if you have a five year old. Here's a Good Dad Chad. Hack for a boat toilet. What you can do is take essentially wag a garbage bag with some kitty litter? Bring a painter's bucket you bring a painter's bucket out there and then cut a pool noodle in half like where you cut it long way so you can put it around the bucket shop and then they can sit on that bucket comfortably in Shit or Piss into the kitty litter. Yes perfect it's delay. And then you dump Bala of it over the side of the boat to the ocean the whole thing and they're just oh yeah just toss it. You just need not enough. People are brave enough to say that the preliterate these very prolific on this podcast hugely hugely litter. Indeed dump it out. I have never ever picked up my trash from anywhere I've ever been and I never good for you. Thank you thank you only ten thousand years. Yeah so let you know. I won't be here. Yeah all right. Let's move on around for random before. We have Marine Corps. Sergeant Brandon Vandal. Linda who joined us after going viral last night after he attended the Patriots game. Stick around. Here why how high up right now. Zero Blogs Doc. Thirty privilege to have Sergeant Brendan Vanda Linda on the show. He is a machine gunner. He is an active duty marine. Who just reenlisted? Last night. He was up at Foxboro Foxboro Stadium in Massachusetts to enjoy a patriots game for his beloved Patriots and he got a little bit more than he bargained for in terms of social media will get into that a little little bit but I wanna start off this asked you just got back in two thousand seventeen on a on a mission to Syria. Can you walk us through. Oh kind of how that went for you guys. Yes so. We participated in the We were there in support of operation in hurt resolve and and that was the mission to defeat the Islamic state or Isis. And we were there by their Proclaimed Caliphate or like their capital capital of Rock Assyria and we did operations that basically throughout that That six or seven months that we were there on that deployment we cleared out like probably eighty percent of that city in conjunction with other units. And everybody doing their piece of the puzzle. We were able to clear out that city of the Islamic state there and help the Syrian people out. So we have a good portion of civilian listeners. For can you kind of walk through day-today life is for an NCO of Machine gunners like what what your day to day tasks so if we're sitting talking talking like back home or are like in Syria so I was a lance corporal then but he's carrying heavy shit. Yeah the three-month she's carrying Karen my shit around stone a lot of sandbags and a lot of post. That was really what I did. We you know we. We had our funny stories from over. There are crazy stories. But you know the sergeants wore in charge of the bigger overall picture control of the squad. Uh Control on everybody and my job as a machine. Gunner is a little bit different because we're kind of support and Make sure that the The other guys can move around so that we can. We can provide them fire so that they have the cover move. And you know the sergeants tour in charge stuff. I do now is You you know they're in charge of making sure all that stuff happens so now would you be at a guy on the ground in two thousand seventeen when she was really really bad in Syria. Do you follow the news. Sound like what happens and feel a little bit more personally invested like. I know I did that when I came home from Volusia I would watch if any if any news article mention Volusia. Yeah I was Gonna read that. Are you that way as well. Yeah I definitely feel that way especially with it being in the news. So much recently It it definitely is a touch more personal and I I try to. I try to stay as as read up on it as I can to. Kind of keep myself Involved and it's a nice way of me like bring bring myself back there too sometimes. Yeah going on over there. Yeah stuff to keep up and like know what side is telling the truth because the media is what the way that the media is for sure but you came back from your deployment in two thousand seventeen and then you've got some news that most marines on active duty don't don't anticipate getting. Can you explain to us what happened. Yeah absolutely so I was on a deployment to Okinawa Japan and we did avant your missions over air like two different training missions and stuff like that we had yeah beautiful. We had just gone back from the Philippines and we were doing on some training with the Filipino marines. Down there who are fighting their own war against Isis on their home turf so best of luck all those guys are great and You know I came back and it was a lot of days in the hot sun and I had what's called Materia or mature yeah. I'm not a doctor fucking though but it's basically when you're pissing blood. Joe I started. I started pissing blood and it lasted for you. Know a good amount of times and it was was something that happens sometimes from carrying a lot of weight and it just happened so it wasn't something that surprised me a crazy bit at fucked up that that they just like. Oh this a blood. This is normal shit like this you you tell someone and then gone in the background like I've been facing watch for years you're not you're not working hard enough doubled so I don't get myself check out and no they told me like drink. More water I hope not beaten off too much like that. Might be which was ridiculous so I thought nothing of it and then a few months later it start to come back again and this time it was much worse and I got checked out a little step because most we had just for full disclosure. We had to record this interview twice because my audio is fun. But you got the you got the information from your original set of doctors at like your normal Cormon your normal and then of course and you took it upon yourself. You realize. This isn't something that's normal. I need to go outside. The normal steps of getting things done which is rare for marines needs to do. Yeah I kind of figured that it was With what it was I look at least with your Dick. Yeah I like my Dick. I'd like to keep it so I wanted to make sure that whatever the fuck was going on down there was something that You know I could take care of and when I figured that it was probably something that was out of my control. I made sure that I went and got seen and the doctors that I had probably not by any like it probably not by their own faults. They probably didn't think it was a huge deal just like I didn't think it was a huge deal but I ended up going in and making sure that I got seen at the Naval Hospital by kind of skipping skipping the chain of command a little bit but you know thankfully because it ended up Working out that we caught it when we did and When I got my system could be done As we like to call it getting your bore punched when they They they you know no no no nominee or anything like that. They gotTA stick a camera down on their an air bladder and there's only one way to get him there and it's pretty bad but We got in there and You know it was funny. The doctor had the camera and and I was awake as they don't put out for shit like that it's military so I'm sit there and he's an inside the bladder. He's basically got a camera but now when he tells you gotTa do. Are you like I know. That's your primary plan but we need to have an alternate and a tertiary plan as well. Well we need to have a different area of attack that we're going to go about this ambush the bladder instead of going straight through it. Yes so he was like. Hey so this is a non invasive procedure procedure that we're going to do and I was like really dig is not invasive it noninvasive I guess means no cutting fucking invasive downed it man always gets Yep. Have you ever done this. Have you ever gotten this done to yourself. I wonder if Cormon have to give themselves an IV before they can do it to somebody else. I wonder if it's the same thing with the bladder doctor. You just gotTa Punch your own bore if they gonNA learn on yourself so they ended up giving you the information and they say that you have stage to cancer but luckily it is a type that is not going into spread right. Yes so they said. I had a low grade And non invasive form of a stage sue bladder cancer which you know. Oh it's it's very good and I'm very lucky that it isn't bad you know There are so many people who fight this battle against cancer and and they don't have it nearly as as easy as I do you know when it came to the surgeries that I got and the procedure and the chemotherapy that came afterwards You know a lot of those people have to do So many rounds of chemotherapy. And I'm really lucky that I did not have to do as many of that. You know I feel very very very look. Did the doctors mentioned that. Because you are in such good shape because you're moraine that it helped like the recovery process process as well so the crazy thing is when I had all my tests on and they did my surgeries. They sent everything to Walter Reed. Because they'd never seen anybody my age with water cancer you know it's it's it's common in men but common in men in like their forties and fifties and I'm twenty four years old So it was very shocking to everybody there and when the doctor told me that it was bladder cancer It was actually during my Sustauskas Pianos. I was like okay. Great can you please take this thing out of me then. Talk but He they were really surprised and it was something that it it was kind of a learning experience for everybody because they'd never really seen someone my age. Get this and when you get that. Are you when you get that first. Diagnosis are you also so thinking fuck. There goes my career to you know the first thing that came to my head and this is probably fucked up all my buddies. Screw around with me about my hair. I'm losing my hair like I am balding fucking really GONNA lose my hair now but yeah it was it was surreal real It I didn't really know how to react and my buddies who were around me during those a couple of weeks I gotta thank them so much for being there and my family. Only for being there. my buddies we call ourselves the trump bucket. It's funny where a group of hoodlums but you know we We got each other's back and that's awesome. I gotTa thank them so much but I think when you get back to that unit you get back to the chum bucket they're gonNa Roast you about what happened last night in Foxborough I got. I probably had eighty eighty text messages in the first ten minutes of that. All right let me set the scene. How how this sergeant urgent got on? DVD's radio first of all so he goes up to get honored at the game. They have out there before the game in his dress. Blue Stan arraign. Looking good with a fresh air cut is doing all that stuff. He gets a gifted some tickets to the super bowl. Which I'm sure is going to be doped down in Miami they into into rough and rowdy to come out and hang out with us at rough and rowdy at our party there? Oh that'd be awesome but then you're standing on the sidelines. Tom Brady. The greatest of all time is tried tried to run out the last five seconds on the clock. And then what happens so You know we it's funny me and my buddy were talking. They had it just run the ball the other way a couple of place before. Now they're going to throw it over your bet. Wouldn't that be funny and he ended up throwing the ball over there. You know I got a late read on the ball and I am not. I wasn't too good about football player to begin with when I did clay so of course I got a late jumps to and I gave it my all and you know the ball hit my hands. I should have caught it but I like how. You're not putting out best the typical sergeant a machine gunners attitude. You didn't throw got any excuses. You didn't mention the fact that you're standing there in dress blues which is restricted uniform. You can barely move your arms. You're wearing those things above your head. You can't move them out. You're not mentioned the fact that you're wearing core France which are slick on the bottom. You can't even hardly stand on concrete let alone grass. It's been wet for the entire day and and you went out there and now you're trying to go out on social media. Make it happen again. I think Tom Brady is going to give in. And I think he's going to give you a shot you know that would be so cool. I it's funny. I got got the chance to meet him after the game and it was a really short meeting he came over and shook my hand and said thank you for your service and you know I was I was shell shocked even be in the presence of of the greatest first of all time So I shook his hand back. Thank you and then you know. Ataman came over and talked for a little bit and he was so great but I mentioned to him. I said talk through that pollinate dropped and he started laughing and he he made a joke about just getting my reps in or something like that but it was it it was really cool and hopefully maybe I'll get a chance to redeem myself and maybe have a game of catch with Tom there. You go if anybody knows about dropping a big passing. Tom Brady is Julian Edelman. I'M NOT GONNA I'm not GonNa talk about that. I'm trying to help myself out here. Not Not not make my chances more slim. Glad to hear that you're GonNa be that you re enlisted the Marine Corps. You got another four years ago. Thank you so much for your service not taking the time to join join us today. We really appreciate it. Hey Man thank you guys ask for your service too. And I'm a huge fan of the podcast and I look forward to listening to this episode. Please clap the great story from Brandon. I can't imagine being in the Marine Corps. And you get you just get back from deployment you get promoted to start at. You're trying to reenlist. And the next thing you know you got fucking cancer cancer I know and I do. I'm glad he was such a good sport because we roasted him on. TV tease her. Last night I was like Ooh Loofah Loofah and he couldn't have been funnier about it. He was super awesome. So I think that positive attitude will allow him to beat the cancer and ultimately. I think the way it's going to shake out he's GonNa GonNa get invited to Patriots practice and him and Tom Brady are just going to have a catch. And that's going to be amazing. If he's ever I would say come through. Especially if we have that cycle guy here too and we can. We offer him recycled glass. That'd be worth it for them for sure He was great. Let's move onto round five. It was great to have brand partly because it is still movember and we're trying to raise money and awareness for all types of men's health issues that are all across the health landscape. One of those is prostate cancer or testicular cancer mental health we're big Advocates for and suicide prevention. This year parcels owned on he does is growing out his November mustache to save a bro. Join him on Barstools. Movember team and help US changed. Changed the face of men's health for every fifty bucks fundraise on your team. You're going to enter a win. A A chance to join us at the Army Navy game which is should be a shit it show. Big Cat is going to be their day is going to be there. Casey Smith Brandon fucking Walker. The whole squad mccague con brand. We're all going to be down there enjoying the time. Just go out. Grow your mustache for the remainder of the month. Join our team at movember dot com slash Barstool for every fifty bucks urine. You're going to get a chance to go with you. WanNa POW to the Army Navy live. Show so make sure you do that again. That's November dot com slash. Bu Barstool to join our team go your mustache and fundraise for your chance to win. The Grand Prize are. Let's move on to round number five. Do you guys have whenever you're doing Thanksgiving because you're both big big family folks whenever you and the extended family do you guys take the time at Thanksgiving to say what you're thankful for usually so my grandmoms house growing up. Yeah I think I think we always did it both like every other year we'd flip we would do my mom's family that my dad's feelings and my mom's nose really tiny. My Dad I love bragging about this is one of thirteen thinking and so the Thanksgiving would be like like eight tables that weaved through my grandma's house with all these people and so they would go through a hot shit in take. It was so hot it smelled like you ever smell a pillow. After it's been I haven't changed the pill too long. Anyway I was. That was a very weird TV rooms of their farting it up any kind of men. I regret everything I just. It was up there. Rip It it was like my favorite house on the planet anyway so they would go through and it'd be like fifty people in this House House and I was getting closer to my turn every year. I remember being like communicate. Say something funny say something funny boom away like I remember and then every year I would blow it and be like ooh. ooh What is it. We're all waiting to eat Turkey so every I remember the pressure of having to say what I was thankful for you you guys yeah. We used to do that all the time. Like we'd have to go around and say something in everybody tries to out deep each other but there's always that person Who starts talking and has no idea where they're gonNA finish up? Michael Scott sometimes. I'll start a sentence that I don't know where I'm GonNa go data going and going like a bad wedding. Somebody who gives a speech at a wedding and you can tell they didn't think of anything and then just rambling. Yes yes people do that shit all the time and it drives drives me fucking crazy but I did want to give everybody the opportunity here to say what they're thankful for and we're going to start with young brand owner Dan you have. I'm thankful for Barstool. Sports not just zero block dirty. Obviously very thankful for you guys but I feel like I've like joined a gigantic family here parcel. There's just like the the working environment and atmosphere and the Camaraderie. Here's something like I've never had before I feel like at this largescale. Everybody is like on the same page and we do a ton of great stuff make a lot of people laugh. Make a difference in a lot of people's lives so I'll start out deep love. Oh You guys love the company Meritorious Mass for breads answer lance corporal a friend. Let's relax a little bit but I am going to give ten points to griffin door for Branson which is pretty special as well you know. They say hogwarts awkward says the World King. Yeah con what about you. Say that all right get comfortable old slithering within head Arrigo get comfortable. I'm thankful that Kate made it here despite tweeting and driving last night and I'm thankful that her hair came out so good this time. It's your color. Yeah you look fantastic orange at the top luke. Fantastic Larry Bird last week and I said I gotTA GO Brown. It looks really good. It came out great this time. I'm thankful that you didn't have to go cry into CVs for thirty minutes. Thank you I appreciate that. I'm thankful that Bren. Got His tattoo finished up for the holidays. So you're not thankful for that. What does that filibuster? This is exactly the Michael Scott fucking thing. No I have have it all written out thankful for Kyle all the great work he's done for us this year on our social really improve that one and chaps. I'm thankful that Your Eyes are no longer foo bar. Thank you oh I like that. Oh and lastly I'm all I'm thankful that you all put up with mayor seemingly put up with me evident by the text thread going on last night aerial piece piece of Shit. I know I'm pretty. I'm pretty brutal to deal with. And you guys all do it. At least to my face I have no idea what you say behind my back. Sorry I'm thankful for a lot. Yeah no I agree. I think we're GONNA bring up your your shows that make you go voucher. Real answer caught goofing. No no I wrote that down that was actual sentiments. Oh my God put no mashed potatoes and he only gets half support Tough because mashed potatoes are my favorite speaking of. I'm thankful for a while. I was just there last night I got myself a large IRGC Gablers Hagi with all the fixings. Mashed potatoes stuffing cranberry sauce. Saw Tun of Gravy extranets on that sucker Turkey it. It was just a delight I got pulled over by the cops. I got pulled over by the cops last night. Wild State troopers and when they saw that half of my cobbler had rolled off the the paper and down my passenger side seat. They let me go on like this latest. Messed so thank you to offer that you should be thanking the state troopers and the state state troopers as well. I had one hundred counterfeit hundred dollar bill in the front of my car and I was like they're like and I was like yeah. It's counterfeit So thankful for that encounter and that they let me off thankful I feel like I'm very scale like I'm always on the shows. We point out these stories of things that are like wacky with the military and I have like all my gripes and stuff. I am so thankful for all. The troops are are active reserve. Everybody overseas everybody who listens to the show. I'm so thankful for the listeners that we have I get so many. Em's from our listeners whether there rotc the or civilian or active duty and they are overwhelmingly. Positive I love I just love are just so grateful and thankful for them All the military women out there lifting each other up and moving past the haters. I'm thankful for them for them continuing to break barriers like Lance Corporal Alexa Barth who completed the basic recon course This month I also. I'm thankful for you guys. I'll get on the South Trine to you. Guys are like brothers to me which is probably why an asshole times and make you insane and thankful for all the guest we've had on and thankful for my family so that's all seven hundred forty eight all seven hundred pillow head smell hillhead assets totally normal. I'm thankful for the show as well I was. I think I've said it before that whenever I got out of the brink or the thing that I thought I was going to miss the most was the interaction in the mentor ship process of what it was like being a marine leader. I that's what I loved about. The Marine Corps the most was the opportunity to mentor junior marines. And things like that and I think that this show can be an extension of the impact that you leave on the world and I love the fact that we have a big enough audience and a passionate audience to raise two hundred thousand dollars in a couple hours and not like comparison but I've seen other celebrities and things like that have much bigger scope much larger audience. that US don't even come close to the impact that Z.. Bt and the stories make in fact I'll go. I'll I'll write the check for over one hundred thousand dollars in like two weeks which is insane like when you think about how much money that is when it was I I think the biggest donation that we had might have been one hundred bucks but primarily. Everything was a dollar two dollars three dollars. Five dollars and added added up to over one. Hundred Thousand Bucks is just nuts and that doesn't come without an amazing loyal audience that trust us and we thank you for that trust and we'll do our best whenever we talk about politics serious issues not to violate that trust so this thanksgiving I am thankful for our audience as well and obviously for you fucking the piles of pigs shit like you guys to fit in a compliment right in there at the deed so I actually got the inside. That scoop on how navy was able to get their hands on the commander-in-chief trophy and for those who don't know Navy went into army. What at West Point stole while? So here's the thing. Each year at all three academies exchange cadets so kits could ads from air force in. He will come for a semester at army they do like a round robin thing. I love that. I didn't yeah. Use how words to different school. But at any rate normally the commander-in-chief interim chief trophy trophy for US stays in our football facility. which is a locked building? You need a key in a code to get in and then once you're even in its behind a case that that is locked however commissioner and she's trophy as much like kind of like the Stanley Cup. It goes places with things so the commodore. I think it was went to. Some event brought plotted with them. And then when he brought it back they put it in central guard room to be returned to the football facility. In the morning and there were navy cadets there was one navy cadet on duty at the time called up his buddies and it was like get here now. I'll be here all night and then I'll let you in and you guys can have it so they have it right now. They they offered to give it back. We said No. That's okay you guys keep it. Oh ultimate bulletin board material because I was also told that when players found out that it was stolen they were none too pleased so also since you're basically saying it was the confidantes fault what is going to have to be like whenever one of my marines lost something. I think the commandant needs to put that on a necklace. And I I agree I mean why not. Only a hundred and twenty pounds. He should be able to do that. That's an Afghan Gallos. The cop the commander in chief trophy. When you're fucking wearing boots I it's true? Well one. What does Abe more thing if you are listening to this and you are feeling alone or down or anything this thanksgiving? RDM's are open. Hit US up. I'll probably just be. He's sitting online. Hung over Chirpin haters so slide. A modems and I'm going to buy weirdly Hippie Church so I'm just going to be hanging out and eaten problematic. I believe a Vegan Turkey or something. You're not alone and if you're not able to get home this Thanksgiving we are thinking of you and we're thankful for you. No doubt all right any save around advice advice. Yeah I saw a tweet earlier today From the Dean at West Point the first captain great name here Dane Vander the wall. Oh he was just ordered a Rhodes scholarship so I was curious. Do you think being a Rhode scholar going pro and school. Yeah that's like not even pro in school. That's like hall of Fame Level School. Yeah it's ridiculous I. I can't even wrap my brain to be to be a Rhode scholar so credit to this kid. Good for him. Army could be smart. I just didn't know that. No I don't think I have anything Oh I'm going to meet my boyfriend's family way. Wait are you flying out. Can I borrow your car. Then it's not registered. That's why I keep getting pulled over her and actually more thing. It took me two hours to find parking last night. I finally finally parked in his spot. It was like street sweeping Monday. Eight thirty am I did not get up to go. Look at it as probably told you. I'm thinking it's towed. Hey you coach this time on just GonNa be like it's meant to be tango world. It's gone so anyway. So maybe if if you wanted to risk it but Anyway that's my bread. Yeah I think I want to start coming up with more ranches asking like basic questions about like your service and stuff like that. So what is the best Thanksgiving meal you ever had on deployment I'll have a picture of it. I can share with the group or worse because I imagine there word very many good ones. I was never thanksgiving. I always once I came home like right before Thanksgiving once. We all had to go anybody. That was left behind it. The Barracks Eric Su. There's a bunch of thanksgivings I couldn't get home and I was in California one. I had to go to volunteer to go to our staff surgeons house for Thanksgiving. He was a wild card. Everybody ended up getting hammered drunk and then they all went out to some club and I got stuck because I was the only lady I got stuck having to stay back and watch all the kids and what what and then when people came back it was it was weird. When people came back there had been tied up the house forever but there they had an ant problem in their house there had been? They had pizza at this thanksgiving. So there was ansel over the pizza and the stats are. I don't give a fuck and heated up this pizza in the microwave of ants on it and ate it. uh-huh happy Thanksgiving everyone. I was real weird. Kate is all right. Sound the retreat. uh-huh uh-huh

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Top Trump Russian official quits ahead of impeachment testimony

MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)

46:16 min | 1 year ago

Top Trump Russian official quits ahead of impeachment testimony

"Even if you do at some point get footage of these kinds of confrontations it's often from some great distance or through some the show we did nine eastern on MSNBC now you almost never get footage of these things right as they are happening what happened here is that a Russian ship rammed into a Ukrainian tug then the Russians opened fire act one ship rammed shots were fired. The ship seized two dozen Ukrainian sailors captured Russian warplanes three which it illegally annexed Russia now claiming these waters as its territory and blaming Ukraine for provoking the incident Russian swearing in the background Russia's navy chasing three Ukrainian ships this video appearing to show the moment of impact if Ukraine at the bottom of your screen below the other part of Ukraine that's called Crimea you can see the Black Sea there aw video from what I think appears to be maybe the bridge of one of the Russian ships that was involved it was a video that was shot as this thing was happening Greens on the left since the two countries that border it but five and a half years ago Russia invaded Ukraine and they took a whole big chunk of the nation of Ukraine they took Crimea opening above the Ukrainian ships were traveling between two of their own ports and we're headed the narrow kurt straight between Russia and Crimea on that tug rammed and they opened fire onto other Ukrainian ships the Russians then sent commandos on board the cranium ships they had just rammed and shot at and they took the crew members off those ships they took two dozen Ukrainian sailors as their prisoner some of the Ukrainians killers were hurt was a report from NBC correspondent Bill neely right at the time that this happened we also got publicly released at the time just an sort of amazing but in his package from nightly news the night that it happened on this map it's pretty obvious on the right side of your screen that's the western part of Russia left side of your screen that is the southeastern part straight and north of their north of the Kerch Strait that is a different body of water that's the kind of extension northern extension of of the Black Sea in the attack but they took them all prisoner if you look at a map of where this happened it gives you a little bit of a sense of what might have motivated this Russian behavior and you saw bill neely spell some of the but in between Russia and the part of Ukraine that is called Crimea this tiny narrow little straight which is called the Kurds Nick Cinema verite you are there footage that was not only from an eye level perspective you could even here like the crane Russia built a big weird expensive bridge across the Kerch Strait bridge that connects Russia to Crimea the Sea of Azov and once upon a time the as of a relatively non-controversial thing to say that the see of office sort of Russia's on the right and for themselves they decided that Crimea was part of Russia and after they did that after they took Crimea to sort of solidify their hold on that part into this part of Ukraine that Russia is now claiming as its own and upon doing so upon season Crimea four itself and building this bridge between Russia and Crimea and putting the Russian selves right there were taking Crimea there were invading and occupying eastern Ukraine not only were they taking those parts of Ukraine's territory for them leterrier into the other parts of eastern Ukraine outside of Crimea in so doing rush apparently decided that not only were they taking parts of Ukraine for the waters and so roughly this time last year there's these three Ukrainian ships full of Ukrainian sailors they set off in their journey from one the vessels seized their vessels and takes these guys prison Russia put all of those Ukrainian sailors in the left for Tova Prison in Moscow lovely facility first opened in eight eighteen eighty one that's brought these Ukrainian sailors they shot at injured and seized took prisoner this time last year rainy import they are going to another Ukrainian port they are travelling through Ukrainian waters to get there on that journey but Russia swoops in shoots at them boards for the first time since World War Two you had a country on the borders of your upright using military force to seize another country's land that was Russia took Crimea from Ukraine in two thousand fourteen then here they were just this past year less than a year ago seeing how much further they can push it not just taking Ukraine's land but taking the following day on on the following Monday he did not seem that concerned about it we do not like what's happening either way and you know they've been holding them all this time they only let those guys out of prison this past month in a prisoner exchange so this kind of crisis right I mean side of this we didn't like either the old lady in the crosswalk or the speeding truck frankly Russia naturally was see as well in two thousand eighteen this is this is really bad from the perspective of International Relations International Law opportunity to stare into those steely blue marbles now ultimately however good time president trump the basic principles of modern interactions among civilized states. I mean this is very bad Russian behavior here this is a serious crisis now as I mentioned this thing that happened so the attack happens on a Sunday most leaders in the Western World Freak out the following day on Monday president trump does not freak out and says oh solves but they were also taking the sea between the two countries they were also taking the Sea of Azov basically just basically decided they would treat that as if that was Russian Russian new they were more in control of the situation than the White House might be because Russia never expressed any concern in response to that White House announcement they never seemed concerned at all taking twenty four those sailors prisoner obviously under those circumstances the Russian president who just did these things cannot then have a friendly meeting with the US president not just I don't like what's happening either way either way I mean what you're asking me about what Russia did and shooting up those boats and taking all those sailors lighted with this answer Washington Post interviewed a senior Russian official their deputy foreign minister to get his response to President Trump was addressing this crisis vote meeting is being prepared and other words Oh did the White House tell you the meeting is off that's adorable if we say Putin is going to meet with trump then Putin is going to meet with thought that was going to be that wasn't answer that even the trump White House had to acknowledge could not stand within less than an hour after the president saying what I just showed you I think it's a very good time to have the meeting of course why not have meeting well can possibly get in the way of you having yet another name well this is a sort of acknowledgment through their teeth that the Ukrainian side is also at fault even from their point of view Brusco said edge from our ally but you know what we didn't like those sailors being there anyway in their own boats in their own waters in their own country doing their own thing they too are part of the problem yeah we didn't like either he was due to travel to the g twenty conference which was held in Argentina last year at that g twenty conference there was already and announced plan for president trump to have a bilateral head to head meeting with that meeting but Russia said he would and he did good boy and now as of today as of this afternoon now we walk wasn't by promoting a peaceful resolution to the conflict in eastern Ukraine countering Russian aggression and defending the principles that international borders should not be changed by force kind of cockily asserted Oh yes that meeting is still on it'll still happen in fact the following day Russia formally announced that the meeting between trump and Putin at the g twenty I'm concerned about both sides Russia's delighted within just a few days from then though trump was due to travel later that same week on Thursday of that we trump you're gonNA listen to those people and sure enough the day after the White House officially announced that meeting would not happen that it was cancelled after which Russia and in the Sea of as this thing that happened at the Kerch Strait it was about a year ago it was a Sunday in late November last year president trump was asked about the crisis the it has been a privilege to serve our country and to promote our national interests on such an important foreign policy issue these efforts have benefited from strong bipartisan support in days after this attack on one of our allies right you're meeting with President Putin is off Sir right that's that's not happening anymore is it Shen President Vladimir Putin now obviously under these circumstances where Russian forces have just opened fire on a US ally wounded some of their sailors seized three of their ships by a Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grishko interpreted the calls for both sides to ease tensions as a signal that even Western officials believed that Ukraine shares some of the Russia further escalated the conflict when its forces openly attacked and seized Ukrainian military vessels heading to a Ukrainian port in the Sea of Azov we know more of the real story about what really happened there more of what happened behind the scenes and here's how we know it quote Mr Love while my colleagues at the State Department quickly prepared a statement condemning Russia for its escalation senior officials in the White House blocked that statement from being dude Ambassador Volker drafted a tweet condemning Russia's actions which I posted to his account if you want to see the power of that tweet I think we were able to figure out what it is today we think it's this you see the date on that November twenty five th two thousand eighteen nine thirty six PM from Kurt Volker the special president trump would be canceling his meeting with Vladimir they would not be meeting together at the g twenty it's interesting though it's almost like sorry there never was one this testimony today is from Christopher Anderson Longtime Foreign Service officer who was brought in who and shot at those Ukrainian ships and took all those sailors hostage that's our ally right we supposedly do not recognize Russia chairman and ranking member. Thank you for the opportunity to provide the statement today I've served as a foreign service officer in the State Department since two thousand five I have spent most of my career serving in country why did that happen who which senior official at the White House did that we didn't know about that before today less than an hour after president president trump said he thought it would be a great time to meet with Putin less than an hour later the White House announced that in fact maybe it wouldn't be a great time is on the periphery of the Russian Federation including Mongolia Armenia and most recently Ukraine for the last five years I've worked in Kevin Washington to advance our national security interests he also testified today that at White House meetings he heard National Security Adviser John Bolton expressed concerns about Rudy Giuliani intervening in this part of US foreign policy representative for Ukraine says quote Russia Rams Ukrainian vessel peacefully traveling toward a Ukrainian port Russia's seizes ships and crew ceasefire proposals provided context on the history of the conflict and pass negotiations but on November Twenty Fifth Twenty Eighteen November twenty fifth last year the House intervene to prevent the issuing a statement that would condemn Russia for what they did just last year actually less than a year ago when they rammed affirmed according to her opening statement the details of a meeting that happened at the White House on July eighteenth soon after she took up this post and this but then they pull this off with one of our allies including taking all those sailors hostage and nothing the White House intervenes to stop a statement of condemnation summer by Catherine Kroft she's another foreign service officer she succeeded him this summer in July she also testified today in the impeachment proceedings among other things Catherine Croft Oh and then accuses Ukraine of provocation question Mark Question Mark Question Mark Very pregnant question marks I mean if you think the power but it's amazing all the stuff that's turned up in this impeachment inquiry Christopher Anderson served in that top role on the Ukraine issue is the top advisor to the Ukraine his 2017 ambassador Kurt Volker asked me to serve as special adviser for Ukraine negotiations in this role I helped develop negotiating positions analyzed Russian and Ukrainian at that meeting might actually be off in fact Russia's subsequently bragged that as far as they were concerned the meeting was still on Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov telling reporters quote this eighteenth meeting is one of the key moments that ambassador Bill Taylor testified about impeachment inquiry last week Bill Taylor was sort of the sea change witness for the see and Giuliani's calls for Ukraine to perform some sort of investigations that might benefit president trump Christopher Anderson was succeeded in his job after he left still on and in fact when Donald Trump went to areas to the g twenty meeting he did in fact meet with lot of your Putin just like Russia said he would sure the White House said he wouldn't take the top advisor to Kurt Volker when Volcker became trump's special envoy to Ukraine for the first time in Anderson's testimony today we learned that someone senior at the Oy until July of this year he testified today in addition to that incident involving the Russian navy and the the kyw bashing of a statement condemning it and that her boss had instructed her not to approve any additional spending of security assistance for Ukraine until further notice Taylor testified quote I and others sat today he got backup today Catherine Kroft corroborated that directly and basically entirely this was her testimony today she said quote on July eight the impeachment proceedings to remember what Volker did he quit he quit his job on a Friday apparently to free him up in astonishment the Ukrainians were fighting the Russians and counted on not only the training and weapons but also the assurance of US support all that the NBC. Thanks same date that Taylor identified July eighteenth I participated in a sudden policy coordination committee video conference where an Oem be representative Thirty Council Secure Video Conference call on July Eighteenth I heard a staff person from the Office of Management and budget say that there was a hold on security assistance to Ukraine alert says that he is willing to testify in a public hearing if the congressional a congressional impeachment committees want him to I'll tell you also that both of these people who off person said was that this directive to withhold the military aid had come from the president that was bill Taylor's very dramatic testimony title this happened just a little less than a year ago Sunday November twenty fifth last year two thousand eighteen of the US government is not behind those three question marks Russia's Caesar's ships in crew and then accuses Ukraine of provocation question question of the president so to the extent that Bill Taylor's testimony last week that president trump intervened to personal insist that military teach me proceedings so far and you might remember one incredibly dramatic moment from Taylor's testimony here's how he put it in his testimony he said quote in a regular National Ski afforded that the White House chief of staff had placed an informal hold on security assistance to Ukraine the only reason given was that the order came at the Direction Ignatius today and I do want to underscore today according to NPR's report quote Morrison is expected to leave his post imminently l. in the coffin or the first nail in the coffin for these impeachment proceedings. Well this today was direct corroboration that Taylor was telling the truth on Bolton himself recently fired as Donald Trump's national security advisor it's always seemed interesting to me that Bolton was ousted as national security adviser basically at the abortion if you think the US government power is not represented by those question marks well let me refer you to the White House statement on this matter there isn't one and that there are other witnesses who will put their names to sworn statements where they've back him up and I will say the drama hair's just kind of beginning for one thing from Croft who backed up Taylor on one of his most alarming claims both of those witnesses who testified today worked as I mentioned in succession as the top advisor to Kurt Volker senior director at the National Security Council with responsibility for Europe and Russia tonight resigning in advance of his testimony tomorrow morning now who was president trump's US presidential envoy to Ukraine you might remember some of the drama about Volker already with an hour's volker learning that he himself had been called to testify before under John Bolton seen broadly as a real John Bolton guy he's been known throughout his career as a hardcore hardcore hardcore national security conservative and position in the trump administration he step down after more than three decades in the State Department ahead of his own testimony to the impeachment proceedings will now today there is eight and White House meetings be denied to Ukraine until they coughed up investigations that could help president trump and his domestic politics to the extent that Bill Taylor's testimony last week was kind of the thirty advisor his number two is his deputy was Charles Kupperman Cup remains the one who last week brought a lawsuit in response to his request to test exact same time that president trump was forced to finally relent and let that Ukrainian military aid finally go through that all happened around September eleven September twelfth taking part of Ukraine and Russia we certainly do not recognize Russia considering those international waters Ukrainian territorial waters to be their own another senior trump administration official stepping down before testifying to the impeachment proceedings this time it's Tim Morrison a senior official on the National Security Council but could not say why toward the end of an otherwise normal meeting voice on the call the person was off screen said that she was from the Office of Management and budget meaning he's gone which is important because his scheduled testimony for the impeachment proceedings is tomorrow morning so Tim Morrison September when they both left slash were pushed out John Bolton I believe also shares a lawyer with Mr Ferman on these matters so that there are mysteries about John Bolton's behavior including why he wasn't on the call between President Trump and presidents Alinsky when people like the secretary of state were testified excuse me have scheduled Bolton for his testimony next week even though these impeachment proceedings are still at this point behind closed doors the John Sullivan may or may not continue being president trump's nominee for his ambassador to Russia after the hearing John Sullivan went through today and Senate foreign relations will include public airings a full vote on those rules we'll take a we'll take place in the house tomorrow and spoiler alert it will pass basis for the impeachment are increasingly finding themselves getting asked about this stuff anytime they pop their heads above water even if it's not formerly part meanwhile while that is moving forward while the house is moving toward the public hearings part of their impeachment proceedings members of the administration who have any proximity to these events that are the I to the impeachment committees compromise to judge to intervene to tell him whether or not he should obey the White House instruction not to appear or the congressional subpoena that says he must appear that case is due to get its first hearing before a federal judge tomorrow afternoon at four PM Eastern Again Charles was John Bolton's deputy until on the results of that legal action we don't know maybe John Bolton will just say yes I've been waiting to testify can I bring my notes. The Impeachment Committee defied today Christopher Anderson who testified about the White House blocking condemnation of Russia for what Russia did to those Ukrainian ships and sailors your ago Christopher Anderson and his successor John Bolton himself I think is widely viewed as a wildcard in terms of what his testimony might amount to with the impeachment proceedings what he would be willing to say what indeed he was part of okay so he could testify the impeachment proceedings early the following week since then we've also seen one of the top officials at the State Department Michael Mckinley also resigned just that whatever happens in this court case that government has instigated maybe John Bolton we'll try to predicate his own behavior in his own answer to the impeachment proceedings Thomas Still Increases Every day today the rules committee voted on the format and the procedures that the impeachment committees will will use to move onto the next phase of their inquiry there is probably no better honest way to answer a question like this no matter how much John Sullivan might have preferred not to be asked but I mean all of these officials you know you're in the middle of this what are you going to get what are you GonNa do when you ask questions like this I mean honestly their well the House today has officially requested testimony at the impeachment proceedings of President Trump from John Bolton as of next week we don't know whether or not Bolton will appear when he served as national particular a real hawk on nuclear issues he served until today as the senior director for European Russia the National Security Council NPR was first to report his what's going on with the impeachment today for example the number two official at the State Department under Mike Palm Pale had his confirmation hearing to become trump's new ambassador to Russia rainy surveillance interface and you kind of need a narrator to figure out what's going on in this case we got something very rare we got up close do you think it's ever appropriate for the president to use his office socialists that investigations into a domestic political opponent soliciting investigations in new domestic a political opponent I don't think that would be in accord with our values once you have to admit that under oath on the record Jeremy Bash that's this week on M._S._N._B._c.'s the oath available now wherever you get your podcasts ch- but it is obviously going to be very historic moment this is the full house going on the record regarding these impeachment proceedings and how they should be carried out show of all places do you got lots to get to tonight stay with US Jeremy Bash that's this week on MSNBC's the oath of elbow now wherever you get your podcasts it is a little how people cannot be shocked by what's going on that's the chair of the House Rules Committee Congressman Jim McGovern speaking tonight shortly before his committee voted to advance the midst staff lawyers to question witnesses in those public hearings it authorizes the Intelligence Committee publicly released the transcripts of depositions official taxed of an impeachment resolution that will be voted on tomorrow by the full House of Representatives it's an eight page resolution it calls for public hearings it NBC listeners. It's me Chuck Rosenberg this week on the oath I sit down with the former chief of staff for both the CIA and the Department of Defense Jeremy Bash when the sided the heliborne raid from eastern Afghanistan that Admiral mcraven is forces had plant please join me for that conversation with former CIA and DOD Chief of Staff United States acts overseas there are occasions where it will advance the foreign policy interests of the United States but we don't want America associated with it because we fear can from witnesses thus far and also says the Intelligence Committee has to compile a final report on its findings from this inquiry a report which will be you are concerned if America was seen as the author of it there could be blowback and these are basically the most secret sensitive intelligence missions in our History Jeremy Discusses how the Sea I is structured and how it operates and shares a fascinating account of it's painstaking work to locate Osama bin Laden they had already looked at the option of a B. to strike based on the testimony that we know that it's out of the Intelligence Committee I mean this is serious stuff and so what's the process that we're hoping to have approved tomorrow we're expecting to have approved tomorrow is basically going to be the same processes was used in is is coming out of the White House what we know based on what this president has admitted based on what his Acting Chief of staff is omitted the Nixon and the Clinton impeachment hearings what has happened up till now has been an investigation now we move to the point where the we can get some continue to try to circle the wagons around the White House make believe there's nothing there but I don't know by any measure released to the public joining us now Pennsylvania Congresswoman Mary scanlon she's Vice Chair of the House Judiciary Committee and she's a member of the rules committee she took part in today's hearing Oh strating they kind of ear all the complaints about process which by the way I stand by this process I think it's a good process the real sham process quite frankly is they've been saying in particular that they really want public hearings and that they don't recognize the legitimacy of this inquiry because the depositions spar have been behind closed doors now that which we would basically pulverize the entire compound tournament to dust but at the end of the day the president thought if it's been on we're gonNA need to take that body off of the compound so he greenland discount skin and thanks so much for your time tonight it's good to have here thank you so it's obviously tomorrow's vote on the House floor is not a vote on whether the president should be impeached and this what three times previously in our history so it's a very significant moment other members of the rules committee and I were saying you know kind of gives you shivers when you have to vote on some like that serious Republicans obviously have recently been attacking the process by which the impeachment proceedings have gone forward bus far oh significant do you think this moment should the American people be looking looking at this as a as a touchstone or as a benchmark moment it absolutely is a benchmark mom a lot of I think a lot of us watching from the outside of been kind of gaming out what these public hearings might be like as impeachment proceeding move toward that there's been a report Colonel Vin men might make a good witness as well what can you tell us in terms of what you expect when we should expect public hearings how you expect them to be conducted gathering narrative that people can understand unfortunately we have an embarrassment of material that could be used in these proceedings and that's going to be part of our job is in his opening statement that was released publicly appears to be a very key perspective on this matter was also reported today that people who heard his testimony humility has an entitlement temperament does not have an open mind and does not always have a commitment to being candid and truthful error time federal judgeship federal appeals court one level below the US Supreme Court now ordinarily nominees for federal judgeships are vetted to a certain degree by the American bar who whittle it down and get the best witnesses out there so that people understand just what the real threat is here I mean we've had abuse of Power Association the ABA and you can rate Aba ratings for judicial nominees however you want but it Mr Van dyck's case the assessment of his the Van Dyke would not say affirmatively that he would be fair to any litigant before him notably members of the community people have been generally supportive I mean I come from Philadelphia that's where the Constitution was written people are pretty up on it but you know there are definitely some people who With that ringing endorsement today Lawrence Van Dyke went before the Judiciary Committee in the Senate for his confirmation hearing and you can bet that that warning letter also raised a specific concern about whether Mr Van Dyke could be quote fair to persons who are gay lesbian or otherwise part of the Lgbtq community Lawrence Van Dyke has been nominated by the trump administration to serve in the ninth circuit US Court of Appeals Life to be a federal judge but they made this extraordinary case that it was the assessment of these sixty interviewees they spoke to that Mr Van Dyke is and I quote arrogant lazy and Ideolog and lacking in knowledge of the day to day practice including procedural rules quote there was a theme that the nominee lax switched to a new avenue. Is that what you're expecting it always does I mean when you don't have the facts and you don't have the law you go after the process so yes we've been hearing process complaint the public is going to be able to follow along at home with the narrative that's been explored thus far I mean that's GonNa be the challenge for judiciary in for leadership in the house is to went and lazy this is not a normal Aba rating for a normal judicial candidate according to the sixty people they spoke to across four different states Elson self will be considering whether or not to move towards articles of impeachment there's different phases here and this is just setting up for the next one there have been people across four states were asked about his integrity and in the end even Lawrence Van Dyke himself seems a little undone by the questioning and ultimately by its intensity. Did you say that you wouldn't be fair to members of the LGBT community center right that was that was the part of the letter that almost bizarre intense warning from the Aba about this candidate you can bet that that came your had betrayal at the country we've had potential corruption in our elections And we need to get the truth out there so the American people can understand and decide where we go from here when you when I mean tonight we moved to the House floor procedures for how the House will consider whether to have articles of impeachment. We haven't done this we've only done early supportive we did a couple impeachment one a one town halls a week ago because people have so many questions about how this process unfolds so indepth interview on on these kind of he's kind of ratings I've been here for forty five day that the top diplomat. US diplomat and Ukraine Bill Taylor is willing to testify publicly if he is called to do so his testimony behind closed doors what we know of it so the trump administration could force them and their families out of the country in August the trump administration sent letters to families of sick kids like that and administration today not exactly tiptoeing around the recent policy adventure when they tried to force critically ill kids to discontinue the medical care that was saving their lives in this country there is going to be a move toward public hearings those are the rules in the format that you and your committee voted on Today I imagine that the line of attack from the Republicans will not go away that it will just is that Mr Van Dyke has crossed paths with professionally across four different states not only did the Aba conclude that Lawrence Van Dyke is quote not qualified I didn't say that Oh either that or make their case in the immigration process where it's appropriate to pack up their stuff take there gone quiet on the matter and quietly the vast majority of critically ill kids who rely on this policy to stay in this country and receive treatment that saving their lives let you know what happens with his nomination but I'll tell you today was a very dramatic day in Congress that was not the most dramatic moment that's still stay with US sixty acquires four states I've been here for about forty five years I don't recall quite that kind of a S. to be a judge is like none I have ever seen or heard of the ABA and his case did interviews with sixty lawyers and judges here's one of this is one of the most alarming Aba readings I have ever seen Senator Patrick layhee expressing disbelief at the warning flare that this candidate earned after six news interview he's raised concern you when we fair to persons the Lgbtq community interviewed sixty people across four states society that goes along with that since the decision by the US government whether or not this kids can stay here is decision as to whether or not those kids die or not general revulsion over what they were trying to do eventually led the trump administration to announce that they would reverse course on that but since that announced reversal the administration has well today we finally got some answers today we learned who is the person who directed that change in policy indepth because the medical care that was keeping these kids alive was only available in this country well the resulting backlash to that policy change then a kid and go yeah yeah either that or they could you know try to work something out that's pretty much what we had in mind that they would grab their sick kid and get out home to your district and Pennsylvania and talk to your constituents about this what are they telling you about these impeachment proceedings so they generally supportive people giving you a hard time about it jet I'm sorry the end of a policy that's known as medical deferred action the trump administration telling those families they had thirty three days to pack up their bags and get out of this country even if that would result Scott letters telling them to get out of the country within thirty three days there was also a stunning exchange and with which which Mr Cinelli admitted by making this policy shift pediatricians in Indiana reported parents of at least two infants a neon native intensive care unit received letters from USCIS telling them to leave the country within thirty three days wall he instituted this change while he's the one who put it into place he never bothered to learn about the cases of the severely ill kids that he was potentially going to kill the person who oversaw that change in policy the person who's now taking responsibility for it is the acting director director of the US citizenship and immigration services. Ken Cuccia neely and take them out of the country for all his honesty on that point yeah they need to get out even if staying here's what's keeping them alive despite his honesty on that point I also just lied about a bunch of things having to do with the policy he for example claimed that these families were never threatened with being forced out of the country despite the fact that all of these families they and their families haven't heard a peep about their cases they've been given no indication as to whether their requests to stay have been approved and you can imagine the daily the hourly worked it and they base it on interviewing sixty people across four states wanting to be on a minute noord eight imagine that you have just had a child that is so sick she is in Nicu at the moment and he was on Capitol Hill to answer questions today and to be honest for his frank as he was admitting that the administration really did want parents to pack up their sick kids you want him to leave the country pack up their stuff take their sick child and go either that or make their case I did not say that confirmation hearing for Lawrence Van Dyke today in the Senate Judiciary Committee took that very dramatic term what are you you want him to leave the country pack up their stuff take their sick child and go what we expected most of them to do was very little candidly we send a lot of those letters out and not in circumstances you out put your child's health should be only thing you have to worry about the US government auditors you to pack up and leave the country earlier examples which we do not look at particular cases when making process so you don't care no you asked me Daryl I'm asking you bet Mr Kuching Nellie did you know about these cases before US CIS decided to end deferred action yet my answer is the same as got some of the paper trail for how this whole disaster came to be and what may happen here and that story's next stay with US administration reversed course now as part of a new legal filing we can see how that happened this letter sent from the Secretary of Homeland Security Kevin mcelwain on September eighteenth the things he asserted that weren't true for instance that all of these people were here illegally Isabelle's case who you've reported on thank you for doing that we know that she was here legally the now is one of the leading congressional voices on this issue marked Asami Democrat of California point out that he's also a member of the rules committee voted tonight to advance the impeachment inquiry Sir Thank you very much for your time in Cancun Cinelli ordering him to resume the old policy resume considering please from these families to stay in the US for the sake of their kids from Mr Personality today in defending this policy there's not much left for surprise from this administration I guess what I was surprised by was who need to stay here in order to stay alive we all know that secretary mcelwain and has since resigned as Secretary of Homeland Security his last day is expected to be tomorrow late. 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W. to save big and get a free security camera. SIMPLISAFE DOT com slash motto. Rachel's got the night off. Hopefully you have the day off or at least you're getting some time off this holiday season and hopefully you do have a little time off and if you do you can leave work behind and just not think about it and really relaxed. It's really the worst when you're trying to escape work but it won't leave you alone. For instance take President Richard Nixon in the summer of one thousand nine hundred seventy four it was the mid. July was the middle of summer kind of a rough time for him. The House Judiciary Committee was holding impeachment. Hearings into to the president's conduct in the Watergate scandal. It was widely expected that the committee would approve articles of impeachment and send them to the full House and by the end of that month they would do just that. The White House was anxiously awaiting a ruling from the Supreme Court on whether it would have to hand over tapes of Richard Nixon's secretly recorded conversations conversations to the Watergate special prosecutor. Leon Jawara Ski. That order would also come down by the end of that month. The end of July and for all of those reasons seasons in mid July nineteen seventy four Richard. Nixon was less than a month away from resigning. The presidency though of course no one at the the time knew that and even though all this was going on or more likely because all of this was going on President Nixon went on vacation he. He boarded his specially branded air force. One the spirit of seventy six and headed for California time to get away from work for a while to leave the swamps of Washington behind and take a a little break. But sometimes you just can't escape the office because more bad news from Washington overtook Nixon before he even made it to the west coast. Good Evening John. Ehrlichman has been found guilty of three counts of perjury and one count of conspiracy in the ellsberg break in case the verdict against Ehrlichman. Formerly President Nixon's chief. Domestic adviser was returned by a Federal District Court jury in Washington this evening. After only a few hours of deliberation ehrlichman who stood impassively as the verdict was read could receive up to twenty five years in prison. President Nixon was aboard the spirit of seventy six on route to a California vacation. At the time the verdict was returned. One was radio to the presidential plane. They radioed the verdict to Air Force. One back in nineteen seventy four. The House. Judiciary Committee is spending spending the summer hearing impeachment. Testimony the president decides. He's going to get away for a bit. He's barely cleared Washington airspace. And they're calling over the radio radio with news that one of his longtime top advisors one of his closest aides has been convicted of several felonies. And is now facing twenty eighty five years in prison and just for the record this conviction for John. Erlich men in July of nineteen seventy four. That was just his conviction on one. Offshoot of the Watergate Scandal Ehrlichman several other Nixon aides were still awaiting trial and conviction on their indictments for conspiring hiring in the broader cover up now. Luckily for John Ehrlichman in the end he got to serve his prison time concurrently for his two separate convictions. But on on that day in July nine hundred seventy four Richard Mick. Nixon may have needed a vacation but he was doing his best to put a brave face on the situation he was doing his is best to look like a president who was not engulfed in scandal and looming impeachment. In fact just before he jetted off on his vacation he gathered members of Congress in in the Oval Office and signed a major piece of legislation. That would fundamentally change the way that Washington spent money and at the White House today president. The Nixon signed a new budget bill into law. The president described the new laws. Major weapon in the fight against inflation. The most significant reform of budget procedures since Congress Congress began the bill gives Congress much more authority over the national budget than it ever has had before the president. For example longer we'll be able to. Impound appropriated money without off the approval of Congress. The president's all the measure as a means by which Congress and the president can work together to keep the federal budget down all right as I said President Nixon was trying to put on a brave face. He was also doing his best to put the most positive spin on this piece of legislation. This is a great bill that will do great great things and I am so excited to sign it in fact the bill that Nixon signed that day had been specifically designed by I congress as a rebuke to Richard Nixon. Nixon had had a habit during his time in office taking money that Congress had appropriated for certain purposes and refusing to actually spend it or deciding to spend it on something else something that Richard Nixon would rather spend it on and and it was one thing for President Nixon to do that when he was at the peak of his popularity when he was coasting to reelection in one of the most lopsided electoral college margins he's in American history but in his second term with the president dogged by scandal staring down impeachment. Congress saw its moment to take more control troll. Yes the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four may have as Richard. Nixon insisted listed been a weapon against inflation and an opportunity for quote Congress and the President to work together to keep the federal budget down and quote but he almost certainly would have vetoed that legislation if he had had any mo Jo left at that point because well but wasn't the bill gives is Congress much more authority over the national budget than it ever has had before the president for example. No longer we'll be able to. Impound appropriated money without the approval of Congress. The president no longer able to impound money if Congress designated money for a certain purpose the president cannot just do whatever he wants with it. Since one thousand nine hundred ninety four that has been the law of the land and because history has a sense of humor that law a law President Nixon agreed to to only under duress as Congress prepared to impeach him a law. He signed less than one month before he would be forced to resign in disgrace that at law. That law is now playing a starring role in the impeachment of the current Republican president. Forty five years later her. Of course this president has already been impeached but a remarkable thing in this case is that since his impeachment less than a week ago we have continued getting new evidence new evidence. We have never seen before that pertains directly to the case against the president late on Friday the Friday before Christmas the Justice Department produced nearly one hundred and fifty pages of emails between the White House and the Pentagon gone regarding. US military aid to Ukraine. The trump administration had been court ordered to hand the emails over to the Center for Public Integrity. It's a nonprofit news organization under a Freedom of Information Act request and although the Justice Department heavily redacted the emails it handed over the documents still managed to contain a few tiny bombshells for instance. Here's an email from the White House budget office to the Pentagon ordering them to suspend military Tori aid to Ukraine it was sent at eleven o four. Am On July twenty fifth. That email was sent just ninety minutes. After president trump finished his infamous. Phone call with Ukraine's president that morning the phone call in which Ukraine's president brought up military aid and trump said quote. I would like you to do us a favor. Though announce investigations that would politically benefit benefit trump including one into Joe Biden so trump and the Ukrainian president have their phone call in which trump appears to condition military aid on a political. Oh favor ninety minutes later. A trump political appointee at the White House budget office. E mails the Pentagon ordering them to withhold military terry a.d and in that email that White House budget official writes quote given the sensitive nature of the request. I appreciate your or keeping that information closely held to those who need to know to execute the direction and quote and here is where Richard Nixon and and is reluctantly signed. Impoundment Control Act come in because as we said the White House is not allowed to impound money. They cannot stop or redirect money appropriated created by Congress and they definitely can't do it without notifying congress and these emails pried loose by the Center for Public Integrity added to the congressional rational testimony. We already have from budget and Pentagon officials showed that career officials across the government. Were freaking out that they might be breaking the law. The political appointee in the White House budget office who sent that email to the Pentagon ninety minutes after trump's phone call. His name is Michael Duffy he previously Veasley ran the Wisconsin Republican Party. He's a political appointee. Mark Sandy. The top career official at the White House budget office told lawmakers in closed this door testimony last month. That is soon as Duffy. Ordered him to formally delayed the Ukraine aid. Sandy immediately brought up the Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four and. He told his boss basically. We need to talk to the lawyers. But in an unprecedented move the political appointee Duffy took control of the process away from Sandy. The career official both Mark Zandi at a Pentagon official involved in discussions at the time testified to Congress that they repeatedly expressed their legal concerns to Duffy and urged him to talk to the general counsel the lawyer because they thought they were breaking the law. Mark Sandy also also testified the to budget officials quit their jobs over their concerns about the legality of what they were doing specifically over potential violations of the impoundment control. Act Now your level of excitement about the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four may vary it is they they decidedly unsexy title. But what is astounding here. Is that a this. New evidence corroborates the narrative that trump officials knew they were doing something wrong and and quite possibly something illegal and they were trying to keep this game quiet while ignoring warnings from career officials across the government. And be we. We are continuing to get new evidence. Michael Duffy is already one of the four administration officials who Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer has proposed host as witnesses in a Senate beechman trial today. Schumer said that these newly released emails show the Senate needs documents as well in in the email. The top trump administration official Michael Duffy ordered the military assistance to Ukraine be withheld and he demanded the order. Ba kept hush hush why if everything was on the up and up if the call was perfect as is president trump said why does one of his top aides who is a political appointee. Say let's keep it hush hush the new emails for Mr Duffy and the trump administration show. Why it's so important for the White House to produce the documents we have requested? These new emails were looking at well. Well we got them late. Friday thanks to a court order and we got them two days after the president was impeached by the House. So what else is out there that we haven't seen yet joining us now Joyce Vance former. US Attorney who has been following the story. Joyce thank you so much for being with US tonight. Why there's a lot of news for this week? Let's first of all start with what you make of the fact at that. We've gotten this new evidence these emails so late in the game and we got them through a freedom of information request right. I think that the context is incredibly important. Because this isn't information. The government produced trump has famously said. He won't respond to any subpoenas he might as well be Advertising on a banner that he's engaging an obstruction of Congress these documents came pursuant to a freedom of Information Act Request by small nonprofit newsroom. The government turned him over on the very last day they were permitted to under the court order sort of in the dark of night on the Friday before Christmas so so this was not information. The government wanted to turn over and it's aggressively redacted. It makes you think of the Muller reports you look through it with these large blocks of black. There is a lot more here that we don't know yet and yet there were key pieces of information that are quite valuable including this email from Duffy to the Defense Department we had heard word anecdotally about this through the closed door testimony of Mark Sandy. Now obviously impeachment. Is You and I have discussed is not a traditional legal proceeding but you have had eh twenty five years as a prosecutor what would you do. How do you handle this? If new evidence comes to light in the midst of a case or a trial well you need to hear the evidence and this just isn't a matter of politics. This is a matter of the search for the truth. which is what a process like a criminal? The mental trial or impeachment is about. We need to know what's going on so this this witness in this scenario may be good for the president. It may be bad for the President O. M. B. has already come forward and says that this is nonsense that the timing here is just coincidence. Let the witnesses testify. Let them tell their stories. Let Them Be. We Cross examined and let the American people. Here the truth we also got a court filing today from the House Judiciary Committee in its ongoing effort to compel the testimony of the former. I'm White House Counsel Don mcgann. The House says that the fact that they already have impeach. The president doesn't reduce their need or lessen their need for mcgann's testimony. Mony because I'm going to quote here from the filing. If mcgann's testimony produces new evidence supporting the conclusion that president trump competed impeachable offenses. That are not covered by the articles approved by the House. The committee will proceed accordingly including if necessary by considering whether to recommend new articles of impeachment. That's quite remarkable can you parse that argument. That's unfolding here for sure you know this. Is Doug Clutter the longtime I am. DOJ civil lawyer civil appellate lawyer WHO's gone over and is serving as counsel in the House and he's making the point here that this is not a game there's not some kind of an artificial deadline cut off just because you decide you have enough evidence to move forward with one preceding doesn't mean that there might the other as a prosecutor crimes in the case of impeachment other articles of impeachment that you can add to an existing articles of impeachment or perhaps bring a second one and you know we can already here in response to this trump's people talking about the endless witch hunt but that's not what this is. This is a president who's is gone out of his way to obstruct justice to make it hard for Congress and for prosecutors to find evidence. No big surprise that it's coming out in drips. It sometimes comes out. Only when a court forces the president to release it it may be that when Don mcgann testifies much of the information in the obstruction of the justice. Volume of the Muller report will be freshened up to the point where Congress will see. There's a separate article of impeachment here that needs to be brought against the president. Joyce it is a pleasure as you receive if I don't see you again before Christmas please have a merry Christmas. Joyce Vance is a former. US Attorney and thank you for your time. Happy Holidays to you. The fact that we have new evidence in the Ukraine scandal these heavily redacted emails between the White House and the Pentagon about withholding military aid and we have gotten it after the president has already been impeached. The drama of that is only heightened by what is playing out in the background. The articles of impeachment approved last week by the house have not been sent to the Senate and today was another day of attacks and recriminations on all sides as house speaker. Nancy Pelosi continued to insist that you would hold onto those articles until the Senate announces what kind of trial it has planned Senate Republican leader Mitch. McConnell called her position absurd and the president weighed in with a crazy. Nancy tweet but given even the impeachment articles do not appear to be leaving the house anytime soon and given that yet more evidence may come out in the weeks ahead. The standoff feels very unpredictable. What should we expect? We'll joining us now. Congressman Roger Krishna. Murthy he's a Democrat of Illinois a member of the House Intelligence and oversight. Committee's Congressman. Good to see you. Thank you for being with US tonight. Same here Ali thank you cars. I WANNA get your response. Initially to these emails that were released late Friday night as result of a freedom of information request by the Center for Public Integrity that that underscore and reiterate Mark Sandy's testimony in the impeachment hearings. How big a deal? Are these important these emails What do you think they tell us? I think there's significant and here's why all of us who were part of the depositions nations who were part of the public hearings in the impeachment inquiry were of the understanding that on July eighteenth a full week before a hold I had been placed on military aid and had been communicated to all of the heads of the departments at issue State Department Defense Department etc and so then for us to see this email in which Mr Duffy is basically putting almost like a re hold on this military military aid really begs the question. Why was the initial hold merely contingent perhaps on the phone call and what transpired during that phone on call And then after that phone call did President Trump asked Mick mulvaney and Mr Duffy to go ahead and put it put a hold on this this again because he didn't hear what he wanted to hear on that phone call. Those are the types of questions that come out of this email disclosure closure. And that's why I think we do need more documents especially from the Office of Management and Budget and Mick Mulvaney and that's why we need witnesses Mick Mulvaney Was a member of Congress who I would imagine took the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four very seriously. And even if you don't know about that act you know about Article One of the Constitution Constitution and we know that the only thing that you members of Congress are actually compelled to do as appropriations when when Congress appropriates money it is it is not a legal for the Executive to do with that money so I kind of interesting the office of Management and budget And Mick Mulvaney are in the middle of something that Mick mulvaney would never ever have stood out. I stood for as a member of Congress. The idea that the president the executive branch can get involved in holding back money approved by Congress notwithstanding the fact that this was approved for the military aid of an ally who is in a hot war with Russia. That's right and I think you might have mentioned this before but the career public servants throughout the defense this department the State Department and and even the office management budget as Mr Sandy mentioned Were freaked out by what was going on. They were looking looking looking at each other like. Is this legal can you. Can you even not spend this money. Once it's been appropriated and testimony from the depositions and even the open hearings corroborated that so I do think that these folks knew at the highest levels that what they were doing was not only wrong but probably the illegal and that's why they wanted to keep things hush hush you know keep this quote unquote closely held which is just a fancy term for. Don't tell anybody about about it. Talk to me about what you are saying to your constituents who are asking what the strategy is that Nancy Pelosi employing in not sending the articles of impeachment and to the Senate what we started to hear from some Republicans that must mean that the president is not actually impeached. Well I I. Don't think anybody in America really. I believe that the president hasn't been impeached. And if they want to hang their hat on that Tech technical argument. They're welcome to do so. But that's not what people are assaying out in my district in others. I think the real issue here is are we gonNA have a fair trial or not and I think it's very understandable for the speaker to hold these papers articles for a few days figure out is they're going to be a fair trial. What are the rules? How's it going to be devised? And then how do we proceed After that congressman. Good to see you. Congressman Roger Crystal Were Democrat of Illinois. Thank you for your time tonight and happy holidays. Pay Happy Holiday. Okay thank you sir coming up on the impeachment trial in the Senate could depend on a handful of persuadable Republicans. We'll have more on that next. Hey Everyone Steve Kornacki here i WanNa tell you about an NBC news podcast. I'm hosting called article two inside impeachment. It's exclusively dedicated to bringing you the latest developments on the impeachment of president trump. I talked NBC News reporters who are closest to the story to break down. What's new? What matters what it means for the twenty twenty twenty election and our country new episodes drop every Monday Wednesday and Friday search? Now wherever. You're listening to this. PODCAST subscribe for free. The last time this happened it started like this will all senators. Now stand and raise your right hand do you solemnly swear than all things pretending to the trial of the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton President of the United States. Now pending you will do impartial justice according to the Constitution the tuition in laws. So help you God the clerk the clerk will call the names and record the responses. That was the opening of the Senate. The trial in the impeachment of President Clinton the Constitution says that the Supreme Court chief justice presides over an impeachment so we will see this part again. Only with the current chief justice John Roberts so in terms of procedure certain things about the Senate trial for president trump will stay the same but in terms of bipartisanship. Just just look back at this moment from the Clinton impeachment here are Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle and Senate majority leader. Trent Lott emerging from a meeting to to negotiate some of the rules for the Clinton impeachment. Actually look like they're getting along the deal. They worked on would later pass in the Senate by a unanimous vote. Fast forward twenty years here. We are with the articles of impeachment that are being held in the House while Democrats wait to see how Senate Republicans intend to run the trial house house speaker. Nancy Pelosi saying today quote thous cannot choose our impeachment managers until we know what sort of trial the Senate will conduct. Impeachment managers sort act as prosecutors during the trial that takes place in the Senate. Meanwhile in the Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer is pushing for witnesses specifically Schumer wants to hear here from four administration. Officials were blocked by the White House from testifying in the house. The list includes the acting White House. Chief of Staff Staff Mick Mulvaney and the former National Security Adviser John Bolton Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell sounded reluctant last week. About calling witnesses. Today he sounded a note that was as a culture to maybe it could be that public pressure from Senate. Democrats would be enough for them to get some of what they want in an impeachment trial but with Republicans having a narrow majority Democrats could conceivably get support for rules that they like by persuading a handful of Republican senators to go along the the names. Most commonly on that list includes senators like Mitt Romney of Utah Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Susan Collins of Maine Invective. They got all those three to go along. They could get the rules. They needed joining us. Now is former North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan. He's a veteran of the Clinton impeachment. That's him there by the way on the right Just after the Senate voted to allow testimony from witnesses. Senator Dorgan good to have you with US tonight. Thank you for joining. Do you think though senators. I just named three Republican senators could be persuaded to push push for witnesses and convince Mitch McConnell to allow that. Nobody's asking them to vote for the impeachment impeachment. Donald Trump. This is just about how that trial would go well. I hope that they would consider that. I think Mitch McConnell believes that he has his entire caucus is with him and yet I cannot believe that that entire Republican caucus in the Senate doesn't take a look at what this president did with respect to the Ukraine call and other things and say this is just wrong just wrong so my hope is as they try to set this trial up. They'll find ways to insist that the cover cover up that has existed on data and also witnesses that cover up cannot continue. You have to have testimony that describes exactly what this administration Asian did and if I might make one other comment the chief justice of the Supreme Court plays a very limited role here. There's not much of a role for the chief justice of the Supreme Court. He's there error and he reads the questions. And so on that senator send to the House. Managers the president's Council but the fact is the Party party that controls their caucus in the Senate in this case. It's Mitch McConnell. We'll have significant sway if he can keep all of his people and as you know Mitch's a pretty ruthless sky. I mean you look at what he did to. Mary garland right so he's going to try everything he can to prevent roses from his office. So here's the question a foregone conclusion but the bar in removing a president with a vote in the Senate is very very high. It's two thirds of the Senate right so at this point why does has Mitch McConnell. Go on Fox News. Why does he come out and say I'm aligned with the White House? I'm working lockstep with the White House. I don't need to hear witnesses and I don't need to see testimony. The appearance of a fair trial in America in democracy is as important as a fair trial. I don't understand what he's doing and I don't understand why he would've said I'm willing to take an oath and the oath requires impartiality. But I'm telling you I'm not impartial. What does that mean? The American people have to look at that and say wait a second. This cannot be fair trial. If the leader of the Republican caucus who controls the Senate has already described himself as not being impartial. Are we just just in a different time than we were during the Clinton impeachment Is it possible I mean why is it so difficult for agreement on rules. We're really we're just not talking talking about the impeachment of the president here. We're talking about the rules under which the trial is going to be conducted. Do you could. Can you see what's happening today in your day when when you were dealing with the Clinton impeachment is rancid. Angry politics today is vastly different. Doesn't mean there wasn't some of it then vastly different than it was twenty years ago and I remember going. I mean one hundred of US went into the old Senate Chamber and just had a discussion the private discussion. No one else was allowed in. How should we hold this trial? Because we didn't have much but template on how you hold an impeachment trial and I remember that at one point Ted Kennedy stood up and then Phil Gramm from Texas vastly different people in terms of how they think about things stood up and the two of them kind of realized they were kind of saying the same thing and all of a sudden somebody said well. Let's write this down. That became something thing. We embraced in terms of how we begin. We would begin to proceed with respect to that trial so don't think that would happen today. So He's a is a very different time. What different times is we live in senator? Good to see you. Thank you for joining me on this holiday. Byron Dorgan is a former North Dakota senator. He's the author of a new book. Called the girl in the photograph. The True Story Story of a native American child lost and found in America. So we appreciate your time when we come back later. Putin tightens his grip on Ukraine. More ahead stay with us us for more than one hundred years Russians have been trying to build a bridge over this twelve mile mile stretch of water between mainland Russia. And the Crimean Peninsula. It's known is the Kerch Strait and you can see why Russia would want to build a bridge there right right. Not only does it give you easy access to the Crimean Peninsula. It also gives you huge leverage in terms of controlling everything that comes and goes into the Sea of Azov by being the sole proprietor of that bridge. You effectively become the gate agent to that entire body of water and all the ports that are inside of it so it's the wonder at all that Russia has wanted to build a bridge there for a very long time. It's not been easy in fact it's been almost comically difficult for one thing. There is a tectonic plate right under the Kerch Strait meaning. It's vulnerable to earthquakes. There are also dozens of mullah mud volcanoes on the sea floor and while you think the screen is just one way. It's not I I can see you. I can read your lips saying what's a mud. Volcano mud volcanoes. Those are exactly what they sound like. Volcanoes that spew mud and there's more in the winter the straight is inundated with big ice floes one giant. Hi It's sheet of sea. Ice took out a temporary bridge over the Kerch Strait in the nineteen forties so mother nature has proven to be a bit of a bear in terms of getting this project done the over the past few decades. There's also been the teeny tiny matter that Crimea isn't actually part of Russia. It's part of Ukraine small matter though in in March of two thousand fourteen foot and solve that part of the equation he had Russia invaded Ukraine and the day after he invaded Ukraine. The very next day in fact he announced that he was going want to build a bridge over the Kerch Strait now. Russia has accomplished that mission. Today the bridge opened to rail traffic with President Putin sitting up front the first train car the bridge now complete having also opened a vehicle's just last year already Ukraine is feeling the effects it has comp Ukraine has complained that it's larger ships are unable to get under the bridges rather short archers. Meaning it can't get certain goods in and out of strategic Ukrainian ports and that's having hugely damaging effect on the country both strategically and economically one of its biggest port. Cities is now effectively handicapped. And on top of all that. The Crimean it. Insulin has slipped even further under Putin's grip so as the impeachment battle plays out in this country it is an important reminder as to just how much is at stake for the key ally caught in the middle of everything they called it the National Ballot Security Task Force. The National Republican Party created in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty one for the governor's race in New Jersey and it turned out to be trouble. Several of these signs were were reported at polling places in Newark's North Ward Republican poll-watchers. Some of them off duty policemen wearing guns armbands were also near the Poles. It was all part of the National Ballot Security Task Force set up by the Republican National Estate Committees to guard against vote fraud but Democrats charge. It was a scare care campaign to intimidate voters primarily in minority neighborhoods. The Republican candidate for governor won that year's election by less than zero point one percent of the vote but the Republican Party soon found itself in federal court overt poll watching operation by nineteen eighty two. The Republican Party had entered a legal agreement that barred from engaging in any kind of ballots security activity for the next thirty five years however that agreement agreement expired in late. Two thousand seventeen and a federal court chose not to renew it and that opened the way for this startling headline trump advisor Zor expect more aggressive poll watching in two thousand twenty according to the associated. Press the Republican Party has a plan for getting back into the business of poll monitoring ring citing a senior trump campaign advisor the AP reports quote the new rules will allow the RNC to use its multi-million dollar budget to handle those was tasks and coordinate with other Republican groups on election day. This news comes on the heels of new reports across the country. A Republican backed efforts to purge urge. Voter Rolls Ahead of the twenty twenty presidential election last week in Wisconsin County judge sided with the conservative legal group in a lawsuit that will remove more than two hundred thousand voters from. That state's voter rolls the same week in Georgia. The State's Republican Secretary of state purge more than three eight hundred thousand voters from that state's voter Rolls Democrats for their part are doing everything they can to push back against these Republican efforts in Wisconsin the State Democratic Democrat Party plans to use the open records law to find the names of everyone who's been purged and then worked to re enroll likely democratic acquatic voters Wisconsin Democratic chairman. Ben Whistler tells. NBC News Quote. This is an organizing challenge not a crisis. The purging voters quote just adds to our to do list. It's not a reason. A reason to work not to freak out joining us now is a man who said that Ben. Whistler Chair of the Wisconsin Democratic Party Ben Thank thank you for being with us. Thanks so much for having me. Allie let me ask you about that quote you call this an organizing challenge as opposed to a crisis. That's a different way than a number of Democrats with whom we've spoken characterizes. Do you think that this is a better way for Democrats everywhere to look at these kinds of efforts these voter purges and these these other things that suppress the vote. There's no question we're in a crisis for democracy. The question is what do we do about it. As Democrats Kratz I think often we have this tendency to oscillate between abject despair and euphoria and the right place to be is on the kind of hardworking greedy edge of having Zaidi where you take what in the world and you turn it into energy to win the election. If we get the list of purge voters we reach out to folks we tax them we call call them. We make sure they know exactly what they need to bring to the polls in Wisconsin. We have same day voter registration so we can get them back on the rules and get them voting again in the spring of Twenty eight twenty and in the fall twenty twenty. That's what trump doesn't want us to do part of how voter suppression works. Is You intimidate people into not even trying to right so our messages no matter what the Republicans do show up come to the polls bring all your documents be prepared to wait in line however long it takes we will be there to support you and help you make sure there's plenty Sunday pizza on hand and get your vote counted. Does that and I know you're not a psychologist. But does that carry the same weight as the photos the images. I showed my viewer. We were from Nineteen eighty-one The idea of people in an intimidating stance the the the threats. The the idea that you you're not going to be able to register in other words does the positive message that you'll you'll send somebody. Perhaps on their phone. Does that way the efforts to intimidate people into not voting all all the research about fear. Is that the opposite of fear. The way you drive out. Fear is affirmation about your power and anger about what the other side is trying to do to you. Those those are positive emotions hope and and sort of righteous anger fuel the energy that we need. And so. That's where my head is. I hope that's where other folks are. When you see Republicans pulling these shenanigans purging voters saying that they're going to ramp up these these voter suppression activities? Turn that into organizing energy. That's what we're doing on Wisconsin. We knocked on fifty four thousand doors in one weekend. This this past November. That's more than all of two thousand fifteen all of two thousand seventeen combined so I think think folks are getting that message and the key thing is to keep fueling that all the way through election day next year I think if you let Republicans convince you that that they're going to steal the election then they will have stolen the election the way that we win by remembering that we still have the power to win. We throughout Scott Walker and Wisconsin last year despite a ton of different print attacks on voting including harsh voter. Id Laws and we can do it again. With Donald Trump twenty twenty with all the talk of suppression with all the voter. Id Laws with all all of the purging of voters. Does it. Make your job when you go to somebody to register them or encourage them to vote. Easier or harder is the fact that it's out in the ether mean that you have less S. explaining to do to people about the fact that your right to vote your democratic right to vote is being meddled with by people the fundamental mental thing. The idea that Americans of all races have fought and died for for generations. Is the idea that it should be one person. One vote that every person should count in a democracy and when someone attacks that whether it's Russians or the trump campaign or the two of them working in partnership tacit or explicit. That pisses people off that that that is a turnout worse for us. And we want folks to know that their their right to vote is under attack. Because they're right is so powerful. Any voter in this election has more power to tape tape human history than almost anyone ever has or ever will especially in a place like Wisconsin. A handful of voters could make the difference for every human. Who will ever? We're live again. That's a huge amount of power that's why Republicans are targeting it so intensely and the thing we have to do is remember that we have that power and to turn that into the kind of organization organization the kind of energy the turnout that the country has never seen. Wow that doesn't show chills down my spine. Any voter has the power to shape human history. I mean you're ah you're exactly right. You're a hundred percent right. We're seeing people in the world today taking up arms to that right we have it and you're just telling people they need to use it. Ben Thank you for joining. Thank you for your efforts. Thanks Much Ben Wexler all right more news ahead stay with us. Briny breezes was was once a forty-three Acre Strawberry Farm on Florida's Atlantic coast just south of Palm Beach. During the Great Depression. The property was turned into a trailer park albeit with six hundred hundred feet of Pristine beach now about ten years ago. A real estate developer swooped in on briny breezes and dazzled the residents who reportedly call themselves Brian with some big money he offered by the whole town the Brian he's agreed to sell. They stood to make more than a million dollars each but the deal eventually fell through enter. I kid you not Vanilla Ice Briny breezes about twelve miles down the beach mar-a-lago you may remember that. Trump recently changed his primary residence. Silence from New York New York to Palm Beach. Florida this fall and that apparently gave a local real estate broker who lives at briny breezes and idea he thanks trump should by briny breezes and turn it into his presidential library and he thinks the sale price should be a billion dollars according to the Palm Beach Post quote James Arena an avid trump supporter. Says he thinks he can convince the president to buy the land and turn it into a personal monument arena. Rena says he has the ball rolling by reaching out to his friend. Rapper and Palm Beach County Resident Vanilla ice. Who is close to the trump family quote? Camila is ran up by Donald Junior arena set of the president's eldest son. He called me back and said man. I think they're really into it but briny should not get too excited excited. The daily beast reached out to Donald Trump junior and got a denial quote. Don hasn't spoken to anyone about building a presidential library and has never never even met Vanilla ice. Ouch that's ice ice cold baby. Meanwhile Mr himself has also tweeted. Denial quote wrote Donald Trump Junior. I don't understand why they said that but if they want me to build a library in Palm Beach on the ocean I'm in and then he took the opportunity of all the new eyeballs on his twitter account to append the following Hashtag Vanilla ice project. Never let publicity go to waste notably no one appears to have demanded landed a correction from the Palm Beach Post and this is trump and this is vanilla ice and this is Florida. 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Giants of History Special | Vladimir Putin:  The Ring

Giants of History

19:24 min | 2 years ago

Giants of History Special | Vladimir Putin: The Ring

"Vladimir Putin has a history of simply taking the things that he wants the following story while it may sound like it's pure fiction is one hundred percent true confirmed by both sides were involved and it took place on June twenty. Fifth, two thousand five. All right, everyone. I'm going to roll the dice here and take a guess at what you might be thinking at this moment. You're thinking, how the hell did Vladimir Putin make it into the lineup of individuals to be explored in this podcast after all, it's called giant's history, and this guy doesn't exactly fit the Bill. Well, I hear you and you wouldn't exactly be wrong and thinking that, and I almost didn't move forward with the Sepah sewed after considering that very notion. But then I thought for better or for worse, this is a guy who has intrigued a good portion of the world for the last few years. And if I enjoyed this story as much as I did, then there are certainly others who would enjoy it as well. And also selfishly an episode like this is a nice way to shake off the dust of antiquity after spending. Almost a year studying Cleopatra and Caesars World. Although I have to admit there are some similarities here between those rulers and the one where exploring here today. I remember thinking after Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine, in twenty fourteen that Putin was a head of state, unlike anything the world had seen for very long time. And for those of you who aren't familiar with the event were only slightly familiar with all that went down. Here's a quick break down, and this is over-simplified, of course, but it will get the point across as to me, this was just a staunch Shing to hear about in the news in the year twenty fourteen. So Ukraine is a sovereign country in eastern Europe plane his day, and it's not a small country physically, it's about the same size as France from square mileage perspective, and its population is almost the same as Spain's about forty five million people. And Ukraine is bordered by seven other countries all wrapping. Around it. For the most part, with the exception of a portion of its southern border, which is actually the Black Sea and jutting out from the mainland of Ukraine is a peninsula that's about the size of Massachusetts or New Jersey. And this peninsula is Crimea and just to point out the obvious again here it's a peninsula. So Crimea is physically connected to Ukraine. It's not connected to any other country. Now it needs to be noted that the Kerch strait which separates Crimea from Russia is only about two miles wide at its narrowest point. But Crimea is not connected to Russia it is or was I should say now physically connected and part of Ukraine, again, a sovereign country, but in February of two thousand fourteen oversimplifying things. Again here for the sake of time. Vladimir. Rootin- the sided that he wanted to annex Crimea into Russia. Now annex is a fancy way of saying that Putin simply wanted to invade Crimea and make it part of Russia or to get even more blunt Putin wanted to take Crimea from Ukraine. Now, this is not a perfect analogy by any means, and I'll probably take some heat for it, but it will serve its purposes and get the point across. This would be like Canada, all of a sudden invading Michigan and taking it from the United States, just absurd. Well, this is what Putin did. Now there was some historical reasoning behind Putin's decision to take Crimea mainly that Crimea was previously part of Russia for two hundred years before it was gifted in nineteen fifty four to the Soviet Republic of the Ukraine. There was also a referendum put forward by the people of Crimea as well, but that's all superfluous to the larger point Putin wanted Crimea. And so he just took it. And this sounds like something that you would read about taking place decades ago, but this for all intents and purposes just happened. Two thousand fourteen was yesterday essentially, and I recall watching it all unfold in Crimea and hearing the vehement protests by other world leaders about the annexation and the threats of sanctions and such being placed on Russia by the United States and the European Union. And yet. Despite all that, despite all the noise, the rest of the world was making about the situation despite the threats of economic sanctions, etc. Putin just kept moving forward. There wasn't any flinching or any blinking as they say Putin just did it. And parents. Here's where I curse as once again, there's just no other way to say it than with an expletive. So kindly have your kids cover their ears or say you're muffs or whatever, but to put it in straightforward terms, Vladimir Putin didn't give a flying. Fuck. He just invaded another sovereign country and took away part of it. And alternately, there was no consequence for it. Now, some my point of the retaliatory effects of the US and European sanctions on Russia's economy as a result of the annexation, but nothing seems to have changed as this show is written. And so it seems again that the statement I made at the beginning of this episode is true when Vladimir Putin wants something, he simply takes it and the following story. The story, I really want to tell here once again proved that point. And as I said, this may sound like it's made up, but it is one hundred percent true verified by the man himself. Who was the quote, unquote victim of the story. So let's begin with some background as you have to know who assertain person is to truly appreciate the story. Enter a man named Robert Kraft. Now, most of you listening have seen Robert Kraft at one point or another, even without knowing who he is, if you've watched any Super Bowl game in the last twenty years or so that the patriots were playing, you've seen him. Since the year two thousand the patriots have played in eight Super Bowls and they've won five of those games. So you've had ample opportunity to lay your eyes on Robert Kraft. And how would you know if you've seen Robert Kraft? Well, he was the one in the midst of all the confetti floating around holding up the Vince Lombardi trophy in a suit on the stage after each patriots victory. And why was he holding up the Lombardi trophy in a suit after each of their wins? Because Robert Kraft owns the patriots. Robert Kraft is always dressed to the nines in a dark suit wearing a dress shirt, a red tie matching handkerchief, full head of white hair and just to say it plainly, Robert Kraft just looks rich, and he is. He's worth almost seven billion dollars that's billion with a b, and there's reasons this guy is as wealthy as he is as his pedigree is extremely impressive. He went to Columbia for his undergraduate studies, Harvard for his MBA, and he worked his way up and through numerous business ventures that were successful and extremely profitable and ultimately establish the Kraft group LLC of which he is chairman and CEO, and the Kraft group reportedly does business in ninety countries around the world across variety of industries, including real estate development, financial services, manufacturing, and of course sports. And as you might guess, the crown jewel of his whole business enterprise is the patriots and given the New England. Patriots have won five Super Bowls under Robert Kraft ownership. You would think that Robert Kraft thus has five beautiful flashy, big expensive, Super Bowl rings to show for it, but you would be wrong. He only has four of his original Super Bowl rings more on that in a moment. But let's just sum up this quick highlight reel of Robert Kraft and his life by saying that Robert Kraft has money, lots of money and lots of connections, and a fair amount of political sway and power, given his wealth and resources. This is important to remember as we move forward. In June of two thousand five after winning his third Super Bowl as the patriots owner. Kraft went on a business trip to Russia, and I've heard him referred to this trip as a business mission as well. But Kraft was there with another billionaire business. Magnate a man named sandy Weill whose former CEO and chairman of CitiGroup. So needless to say, these two were fairly well connected, and at one point there, Russian connections tin ary lead them to a high profile gathering at the Constantine palace outside of Saint Petersburg. And who else was in this room at this high profile gathered? Well, none other than Russian President Vladimir Putin. So all these bigwigs were in this room together. And of course this being so soon after the patriots won Super Bowl, thirty nine against the eagles. Everyone was interested in taking a look at the object on Robert Kraft's weighted down hand. And what was the big draw that was on this hand crafts brand new sparkling encrusted with a hundred and twenty four diamonds. One of a kind as it had his name on it, Super Bowl ring. After showing the ring off too many of the onlookers crafts friend, sandy Weill made what proved to be a very unfortunate suggestion while encouraged craft to show the ring to Putin. Now Kraft was reluctant, but once he was in front of Putin and the attention inevitably shifted to the Super Bowl ring craft, took the ring off and gave it to Putin to check out. And Putin examined the ring up, close studying it, and then he put the ring on his own finger. After a few seconds Putin broke the silence by suddenly saying, quote, I can kill someone with this ring. Everyone who heard the line laughed about it, but win. The laughter died down craft says he put his hand out again to take the ring back from Putin. At which point Putin simply looked at him and then put the ring into his own pocket turned around and walked away. And crafts initial instinct was of course to protest. But just as soon as Putin turned his back and started walking away three KGB agents intervened. In crafts, own words, quote, I put my hand out and he put it in his pocket and three KGB guys got around him and walked out and quoted craft, just stood there dumbstruck and was powerless to do anything about it. So here's what happened in the aftermath of this event craft obviously couldn't and didn't do anything immediately following the event. But after he returned stateside, he made efforts to have the ring returned him as he said it had sentimental value. The problem was Russia wasn't responding to his requests and craft, not being want to give up that easily after all you don't come to be worth billions of dollars by being a passive observer craft continued to try and get the ring back via calls and emails, etc. Ultimately, though the United States government intervened somebody from the White House in George W Bush's administration called craft, and according to crafts recollection of the call, here's what the White House contact said to him quote, it would really emphasis on really be in the best interest of US Soviet relations. If you meant to give the ring as a present. Craft stated again that the ring had sentimental value to him and he didn't wanna let it go as he didn't want to one day see the ring on EBay. He also mentioned here that the ring had his name on it as we said. But after he put all this forward on the call with the White House contact according to craft, again, quote, there was a pause on the other end of the line and the voice repeated, it would really be in the best interest. If you meant to give the ring as a present end quote. And as these things go, it wasn't a few days later that craft issued a statement saying that he had given his Super Bowl, thirty nine championship ring to Ladimir Putin as a gift. Craft statement included the following quote at the end of a very productive three, our business meeting with President Putin. I showed the president, my most recent Super Bowl ring upon seeing the ring, President Putin, a great and knowledgeable sports fan was clearly taken with its uniqueness at that point. I decided to give him the ring as a symbol of the respect and admirations that I have for the Russian people and the leadership President Putin. And quote. In two thousand seventeen Robert. Kraft was interviewed by NFL films for their series. Fifty rings fifty days about all his Super Bowl rings and this story, and here's what he said, quote, I keep them in a drawer, right? Have my cufflinks. They're all in a drawer, except my third one. The original is in Russia with the president of the country. I happen to be there on a business mission with my friend sandy Weill. I showed sandy my ring and he said, why don't you show it to the president meaning Putin? I showed it to him and he put it on and he sort of enjoyed it. So we kept it on and quoted. And I have to say here that I don't do that quote, Justice, you have to see the interview with craft because his facial expression as he states, that last line is priceless. For Putin's part in this whole story. He had one of his spokesman the Mitri peskov put out the following response after crafts, real side of the story leaked out peskov stated quote, what Mr. craft is saying now is weird. I was standing twenty centimeters away from him and Mr Putin and saw and heard how Mr. craft gave this ring as a gift and quote. And of course, later Putin himself responded to craft side of the story stating very sarcastically. I have to add quote, if it's such a valuable thing for craft and his team, then I have a proposal, I'll ask our firms to put together a really good big thing. So everyone will see what an expensive thing it is with good medal and a stone. So it will be passed from generation to generation in the team whose interests are represented by Mr. Kraft Putin continued. Adding more commentary stating that his proposal would be quote, the smartest solution partners can ever achieve while tackling such a complicated international problem and quote. And if you've ever seen Putin interviewed, the sarcasm is ubiquitous. And when you couple that with his body language and his facial expressions, this statement is just classic. CNN reports that as of today, the nearly five carat diamond ring still sits in the library of the Kremlin in Russia where all official state gifts are kept.

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Chaos in Tijuana, asylum-seekers could be asked to stay in Mexico, no fast food ads on London transit

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Chaos in Tijuana, asylum-seekers could be asked to stay in Mexico, no fast food ads on London transit

"Hey, they're good listeners for a limited time when you make a gift to PR is the world your donation will be matched. That means double the support for this show and the work we do here day after day. Visit the world dot ORG slash match to make your gift and thanks what's next for migrants at the border today on the world. I'm Marco werman, Marjorie custody ios, one of thousands of asylum seekers stuck in Tijuana right now. And after the chaos there over the weekend, she's worried by get me to Syria now worried that her chances of getting to the US just went down. Meanwhile, Mexico's incoming president is negotiating a new migration deal with the Trump administration after suggesting he wouldn't during his campaign. But obviously is the guy NYMEX of some of these caravans of played out the incoming Mexican government has realized that it has a real challenge on its hands. What Mexico has to gain from a deal with Trump those stories and more today on the world. I'm Marco werman. You're with the world thanks for being here at the US Mexico border yesterday, mayhem. Mayhem that shut down the San Ysidro port of entry the busiest crossing with Mexico. We're going to take some time considering what is next, but we start today with reporter, Emily Greene. She's been following the migrant caravan for us through Mexico into one she met a woman named Marjorie Steele Marjorie trying to apply for asylum in the US. But for the time being she's with her husband and three daughters. The five of them sleeping in one tent. Just a few miles from US soil, Emily spoke with Marjorie this morning to find out how she's doing. And I asked her what do you think about the events of yesterday about all of these migrants trying to cross into the United States in one big mass? And this is what she had to tell me. But being morally the if the been saga so England is but gain. Nope. Personas inoki. So she says to be there the truth is I am really annoyed. I think that they're being stupid and sort of. In not thinking about other people that they're only thinking about themselves because the actions of what they did yesterday. In terms of throwing stones and trying to enter legally that affects everyone here at the shelter in Tijuana, not just themselves. What was Marjorie Casillas own experience with what happened this weekend? I mean, she didn't try to cross illegally. Where was she? What was she doing? Right. She said she stayed camped out at the shelter with her children because she was extremely scared of what was going to happen and feared that something of a showdown and tear gas being fired was going to occur. In fact. She was right. How was Marjorie Custodio certain the pandemonium would break out along the border. She says that in the days leading up to the March on the border. There was talk of everybody going, and I think that in itself sort of scared her that thousands of people would be marching to the border, but she says many the Mike. Told her they were going to go with everything they had ear control personality homecare contol. Hey can toys in what that meant. Throwing rocks throwing stones doing whatever they had to get into the US in that kind of talk. She says scared her did she tell you how she reacted to the US border patrol firing tear-gas across the border. Yes. She told me she worried that it was going to affect her own chances at asylum. Go by. Fourth alaso. Boys. Me too. I hope it will. She says I'm worried that because of the events of Sunday that that's going to hurt her own slim chances of getting asylum, but she says she is going to wait and she wants to try and get into the United States. The correct way. So is that wishful thinking on her part that if the situation remains calm, then her chances for asylum? Go up, I think that she knows that her chances of asylum are very slim, and that they just got slimmer, but she really is kind of between a rock and a hard place. She does not want to return to Honduras. She says her husband there has faced death threats from the gangs. She's made it this far they've traveled for a month. Plus, so there's really no turning back. But there's nowhere to go ahead either in so at this point, they're kind of stuck they're stuck in this tent and makeshift shelter in Tijuana where there's not enough food and not enough water. Emily green telling about one family of migrants in Tijuana. Thanks very much. Thank you. Let's turn out a reporter Aaron Siegal McIntyre who's based in Tijuana. I asked her what looks different there today. So if you're in downtown if you're anywhere around the ports of entry. There is an immense amount of DNA wire everywhere, that's usually not here. And there is a really heavy police presence all around the city all across the fence from the very westernmost part in plastic to fly now all the way through downtown over until Ellie, but THAAD, which is where some of the attempted breaches happened yesterday. I'm all the way to tie. There is a much higher number of police, and what is it like there today? Things are definitely calmer as of last night, both directions in the port of entry at San Ysidro were open. But I will say the mood is still fairly tense regular Mexicans. Don't know what's going to happen next. And I think the same actually could be said for a lot of the migrants who are staying shelter here. What are you hearing? From the local Mexican residents, and what are you hearing from the migrants about that tension right now, you know, folks are generally uncomfortable this month November leading up to the holidays. It's a big month for border crossings right folks, cross to shop there are thousands of regular people that commute everyday to jobs in the United States and vice versa. So any kind of border closure really affects daily life here on an aside from that t Bonner continues to struggle with sort of providing the most basic resources for this group of migrants, which is now over six thousand strong folks are also concerned about the cost of for example, providing even just one meal a day to the folks that are staying in this government run shelter here. I'm curious to know how much Mexicans are a little anxious at the moment because there's a new president coming in what next Saturday in Mexico, and that's change. I mean what what does that kind of? What exactly I mean? There are a lot of rumors around. Okay. So what's I'm Logan? Do what's going to change? And there's a lot of. Sorry, the incoming president. And there's been a lot of talk about whether or not he's going to sort of accommodate some of the wishes of the Trump administration. And sue, I think most people are sort of watching with eagle is to see what is actually going to happen versus what is being floated as potential ideas for for resolving the situation reporter Aaron Siegal McIntyre there. In tijuana. Meantime, the Trump administration is trying to find a way out of this. US officials are trying to persuade the incoming Mexican government to accept the deal. They're calling remain in Mexico. It would make migrants stay on the Mexican side of the border and wait until their applications for asylum in the US are approved our Tuito Sato. Khan was the Mexican ambassador to the US between two thousand seven and two thousand thirteen. He's now in Washington. What do you think about this proposal ambassador to force migrants to have their asylum hearings in Mexico for starters? We don't know what we don't know. What I mean by this is the the conversations. Apparently going on the transition team came out this weekend in Mexico. The Mexican transition team came out in Mexico City this week and saying that nothing had been agreed to they even went a step further than that said that the remain in Mexico idea has not been approved by the incoming Mexican government. But we do know that there are conversations ongoing we do know that they have discussed the role of Mexico can showed wants to play in not only deterring transmigration from Mexico on a twice the United States. But what role it can play to ensure that the board home both sides of the Mexico US border is secure? So we have to wait to see some of those details. Flushed out my senses, Monica. We may not get a lot of that. Until after December the first when the loop soda ministration assumes office. I mean, the the incoming government in Mexico. The government of under us men will open a door denied. That there's an official do even though it seemed to confirm it at one point. What do you think that suggests it was sort of non denial of Banayo, they have obviously advanced in some form or another now, Monaco? This is a hard place for the incoming Mexican government to be for starters because throughout the campaign soda said. Basically that you wouldn't do Trump's thirty work when it came to stopping Central American transmigration. But obviously as the dynamics of some of these caravans of played out in the past days and weeks me incoming Mexican government has realized that it has a real challenge on its hands. Not only in terms of security Mexico's own own borders, but in designing its own paradigm of what it wants its own migration policy to look like, regardless of what the Trump administration wants and more importantly from those of us, including myself, if we're going to do something a. To supporting the remain in Mexico program. It's not what evolves from the ongoing conversations that Mexico. A shouldn't be doing it. Appease the Trump administration and be should be doing it. As part of a quid pro quo agreement that is that if Mexico does host Central American migrants that have a bona fide case of refugee or assignment Mary's in the US the feed done in exchange for something that's important for Mexico. And that's where I think maybe just maybe by the Trump administration has significantly reduced its national aid to the free Central American countries of what the model nude and that this ID of someone I vote house late at FRY's campaign of the sort of Marshall plan quote on quote in which the US and Mexico, and may be others would em- fast and sustainable economic development in the three northern triangle countries of his on. I want them out in violence reduction is a great thought. But that's precisely what the Trump administration is cutting back on those resources right now. Exact exactly that's why many of us have questioned whether it is realistic to think that the Trump administration will put significant political and financial capital and diplomatic capital into a holistic sustainable development program for those three Central American nations, given that they have been reducing those budgets in the past year and a half for the State Department. I mean, whatever you may believe is a holistic approach there are a lot of Trump supporters in the White House itself that see the remain in Mexico plan as shared responsibility. Absolutely. I don't doubt that. And they see this as a as a very important tool in deterrence driven migration policy, which I think is a mistake. The only way Mexico another is going to address the structural closes for migration are. Attacking if you'd like the weakness of the rule of low in those central MAC and countries, creating sustainable economic opportunities understanding the impact that climate change is having in certain areas of Central America's that explain some of the rural economic driven migration that we're seeing through Mexico. Now, the problem again is how this is articulated. Whether it's done because the Trump administration has held or is holding a gun to the head of the incoming Mexican administration does Mexico have detention facilities along the border, not enough to house, the sizable numbers of Central American by grants that are there now and that may continue to come. So they'd have to improvise the way they're doing with the sports complex to. Exile. Idioms and gymnasiums and some of the churches that have played a very important role in housing some of these Central American ligers. Absolutely. And do you know what the reaction has been among Mexicans more widely to the possibility of this new my? Given that there's little detail yet. I think most of the reactions of being muted so far, but there is Monaco generalized fence in Mexico across the public opinion, the Mexico, given the current circumstances of the relationship with the United States under the Trump administration should be in no mood to fend favors to this administration. And there is a general high sense that we shouldn't be doing the United States is work in filtering Central American migrants at the same time because of some of the pressures that we've seen on TV in newsprint about how local and state authorities are having a hard time coping with some of your facts of these caravans. There are some voices. Some of them no surprise hair being agitated by trolls, invoke farms on social media who had voiced concerns about the impact that the migrants. Have on the wellbeing of Mexican cities, particularly per what you've seen decline Sarah com of former Mexican embassador to the US ambassador. Thank you very much. My pleasure, Monaco, great to be with you again tensions flare again between Russia and Ukraine story stories up next right here on the world. Support for this podcast comes from Babbel, people around the world are learning new languages with the Babbel language learning app. And you can to learn Spanish French Italian German Russian Swedish and more with Babbel's ten to fifteen minute lessons. Babble users say that they're amazed at how fast they learned. And that they're confident in speaking their new language start learning a new language today. Just go to babble dot com and use the offer code world to get fifty percent off your first three months, that's Babbel, B A B B E L dot com. Offer code world. For fifty percent off your first three months. 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Sunday's clash took place in a vital seaway. Call the Kerch strait. Alina Polyakova is a fellow at the Brookings Institution. The Kerch strait has been a issue of serious contention ever since Russia's illegal annexation and contain ocupation of Crimea twenty fourteen because it is a body of water through which Ukrainian Russian and other ships have to pass to get for example, let's say from Istanbul. If you want to make a shipment directly to a port in southeastern Ukraine, you have to pass through the Kurt straight, and it's relatively narrow passageways. So it is, you know, very ripe for potential accidents for conflict. So it is a significant. Commercial passageway that is critical to the Korean economy. I mean, it's not far from where the fighting has been happening since two thousand fourteen how is this event in the Kerch strait and the fighting in eastern, Ukraine. How are they connected since? Russia took control of Crimea, the Russian government to much fanfare has now built a bridge that connects mainland Russia over the Kerch straight to Crimea, which allows Russia to supply Crimea with food and other resources. What's been happening on land on Ukrainian land tour? Tori, not in the maritime territory is that Russia has seemed to desire to have a land bridge. I'm all the way to Crimea. Because even with the construction of the bridge that does connect Russia to Crimea. It is still difficult to get other things like electricity and water to Crimea. And it is costing the Russian federation quite a bit of money to continue have to go over this bridge and to use water. As especially so it's a potential strategy on the Russian side to try to put more pressure on Medupi's, especially so they can over time even take over that land territory and have access to Crimea via land versus via water. Isn't it totally illegal? Yes. Yes, glad we cleared that up. What is your sense of who actually started this? Well, we know that is typical Russian strategy not just in the Ukraine conflict. But also going all the way back two thousand eight with the Russian war with Georgia. It's to provoke with a initial aggressive move that seems relatively minor ramming a small Ukrainian tugboat, for example, which is what happened in the last few days, then any sort of response from the other side is then used as an excuse to commence, much, more, direct, military aggression. And this is exactly the kind of pattern that was seen developed today with this esscalation in the as OC and the cart straight. So this is part of the Kremlin's playbook. We've seen this movie before I think the big question now is will the international community respond in a much more sort of way than we've seen back. Let's say in two thousand eight with the Russian warned Georgia so do. You see this turning into a war? And would it be a clash between the actual armed forces of both Russia and Ukraine deep potential for a full out war of that nature is unlikely first of all the Ukrainians are no match for Russian naval military might in the sea of us. They're completely outflanked and outmatched. And then the Russian side there is also not much incentive to have a full blown out why which could potentially involve other world powers like the United States or even your up. But that's not something that the Russian people would want. I don't think that's something live in leadership. But one I think what is much more likely is that we're going to see this slow burning continued aggression that we've been seeing on land in Ukraine now happening in the c- last thing just curious to know Alina what you think whether whether Putin felt kind of substantially emboldened by Trump's kind of whatever response to what happened to Jamaica Shoji. That's an interesting question. I think certainly President Trump's stated desire to stand by Saudi Arabia in light of this quite brutal murder has sent a signal to Putin that President Trump will likely stand by him as well. I hope that is not true. A hope that there is a line that the Russians are not allowed to cross. And I think certainly the US congress should use this opportunity to impose consequences in Russia to make it very clear that the US continues to recognize Ukrainian sovereignty. I will not recognize Russia's continued aggression against independence states Alina Polyakova at the Brookings Institution. Thank you for your time. Thank you, go on my way, home. I see that billboard. And I want to eat that cheeseburger on it now willpower not gonna bite, but according to the centers for disease control, forty percent of Americans on any given day are eating fast food, not only that they're consuming way too much. Sugar and not enough fruits veggies in the UK same problem. But now, London's mayor study con has announced that ads for junk food will be banned in trains and subways and buses and there's widespread backing for the move Kate Oglesby as a reporter for the BBC. So why are these efforts pretty big efforts being made to remove junk foods? From the mayor of London City con his strategy to check to tackle childhood obesity in the cut. So mundane nearly sent of children in London are away, which is actually the highest in any city in Europe. If you get on the tube, and that fast food outlets everywhere and actually research from consta- research shows that he put bombarded our young people bombarded with advanced fasting amo- likely to base. And what do you think it got so much support? I mean, what are people saying? Am I think Ibiza is quite high in London? I mean, just to break down twenty three twenty three point six percent ten to letting you know. A severely over overweigh. Am I think there's a massive public health crises? You know, people are still looking for solution to reduce the take. And that's just a great way of doing it because transport for London underground's take up so much Raymond the Cup to what about food programs in schools, how widely are they available, and what do you find being fed to the students and a few years ago that was a big debate over school meals and famous chef Jamie, Oliver actually, what types of take off a lot of junk freed from school meals. So that's highly improving by think Neta, focus, unlike teaching children in schools now how to eat how lay so most education programs swell as what feddans schools, and what is the assessment so far that things are improving or that there's still a very long way to go. I can't use vestment is that things have improved a lot so far. But I think if you look at meshes theft so up being brought in particularly within the Cocteau and. Then it was suggested I was a lot more to go. The so lot focus on children, and you pay and and obviously obesity levels, it's still very high. The full Senate children in London are overweight, my colleague at the BBC reporter Kate Oglesby. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Bye. This podcast is brought to you by Goldman Sachs for insights from leading thinkers on the state of markets industries and the global economy listen to our podcast exchanges at Goldman Sachs. You'll hear discussions on a variety of topics with far reaching implications from how venture capital is fueling innovation to the global shift toward renewable energy to the economic impacts of President Trump's legislative agenda and more that's exchanges at Goldman Sachs. Available on I tunes Spotify, Stitcher, soundcloud and Google play and at G, S dot com slash podcast. In case, you haven't heard PR is the world is participating in news match is a campaign to raise money for high quality, independent journalism. We have the opportunity to receive twenty five thousand dollars in matching funds. It would support the journalism. You hear every day on this show? Please make a contribution today for the global perspectives international. Reporting and diverse voices you here on the world. Visit the world dot ORG slash match and your gift will be matched dollar for dollar. Thanks so much for your support. I'm Marco werman that climate report the government released the day after thanksgiving, you really need to know about it. You'll like it only really matters to the polar bears or maybe future generations. But this report talks about what is changing and how that is affecting real people today in every part of the United States. That's just ahead here on the world. I'm Marco werman. And you're with the world, we're a co production of the BBC World Service PRI and W G B H here in Boston. If you're not outraged as they say, you're not paying attention or maybe it was black Friday three days ago on a day. Most Americans were not paying attention to the news. The US government dropped a staggering report on climate change today. President Trump was asked about the report I've seen it. I've read some of it, and it's fine. Trump also offered this verdict on the reports dire predictions for the long-term effects of climate change. I don't believe it. No, no. I don't believe it. One of the reports authors has a very different view. This report brings the issue of climate change home to the places where we live so often we feel like it only really matters to the polar bears or maybe future generations. But this report talks about what is changing, and how that is affecting real people today and how we're responding which is we are responding but not enough. And what are the bigger changes that we need to make in order to ensure that we're all gonna be okay in the future? That's Catherine Heyhoe director of the climate science center at Texas Tech. She's the lead author on one of the chapters of the report, and as she told me it's released during holiday weekend is also noteworthy. That's a decision. That's made way. Over our heads authors. We're just told here's when it's coming out. And in the case of last Friday, we only got that news of very short time ahead of time. The fact that came out on black Friday, though, I think is actually really appropriate. In fact, many of us are already starting to call this the. Black Friday report because that's what it's telling us telling us that. Unfortunately, this is not good news. I mean, symbolically it is Erie that this report should come out on black Friday of all days. But I mean, you've seen some of the comments from Trump's advisers who said yeah, release the report without revisions. We'll put it out on black Friday, basically saying we don't deny this. We just don't care am I getting that wrong. When we listen to what the administration says, it doesn't give us a lot of hope this report flatly contradicts pretty much every statement they've made from the idea that one cold day, somehow disproves decades of global warming to the idea that the Paris agreement will cost the United States more than it will benefit. I mean, what do you think that says about the Trump administration's policies on the climate going forward? It's a very sighted perspective. The White House is doing the equivalent of one hundred years ago pouring money into an investing. In horses and buggies. When Henry Ford is already turning the model t Ford the tide really is turning and trying to hold back the tide to satisfy a few special interest groups instead of making meaningful changes such as investing in job development and retraining programs for coal miners to help them switch jobs support their families and continue to work. It's a crying shame that Chinese companies are coming into Wyoming and doing this on their own initiative, taking coal miners retraining them to do wind. Power installations, why can't the US government do the same for its own people. Well, I'm just about to ask you that. I mean will will this report backed by thirteen federal agencies as you point out is it going to strengthen the legal arguments against the administration's efforts to to gut federal climate policies, or do you think in my trigger stronger action among state and local governments which is already trend. Well, I definitely hope it will do the ladder. And I suspect it will also. Contribute to the former because we are seeing an increasing number of lawsuits related to climate change. Whether it's individual states or cities like California or boulder suing companies that produce fossil fuels because of the impact on their coasts on their infrastructure on their water resources or whether it's children suing the federal government for their right to a safe future. So the conversation is already happening across the whole US. Whether you're talking about corn producers, ranchers water managers at transportation engineers, individual cities and states regions tribal nations. The conversation is happening. It seems like to me almost everywhere except the federal government, Catherine Heyhoe, the director of the climate science center at Texas Tech university. She's also the author of one chapter in the fourth national climate assessment with came out last Friday gathering. Thanks for being with us. Thank you for having me, if you're looking for places where the effects of climate change are already being felt check out the. Arctic the region is warming up and fast at the same time Russia is flexing its muscle there. But like a lot of things Russian it's hard to know what's actually going on in that part of the Arctic reporter Amy Martin of the threshold podcast spent some time with the Norwegian journalist who's Working Russia got him kicked out of the country. Russia has more land in the Arctic than any other country. The easternmost point is well, east of Japan eleven time zones to the west the country borders, Norway, where Thomas Nilsen lives and works as a reporter in the town of Kirkenes. He's been crossing back and forth between Norway and Russia for decades. I've been more or less travelling in those Russia for thirty years is the editor of the Barents observer in online newspaper that covers northern Scandinavia in northwest. Russia the area bordering the Barents Sea. This part of the world is being transformed by climate change. And if you want to understand some of the crucial changes and challenges at play here, you have to know what's going on in Russia. We have to remember to hall of the Arctic is Russia and the health of Russia is autism. And the minority of the place in living in the polar Arctic actually are on the Russian side of the border as the climate warms, the Russian Arctic is becoming more accessible, and that means resource development in the area is heating up to. Here's just a small sample. The world's biggest liquefied natural gas plant is north central Siberia, threatening the future of the nets and indigenous reindeer herding culture there. Huge oil and gas projects in the eastern part of the country to plus offshore. Drilling in the Arctic Ocean. And some of the biggest companies in the Russian Arctic are also some of the region's worst polluters. Then there's thawing permafrost CIs laws deforestation the list goes on and on if you've heard about something happening with climate change elsewhere in the Arctic it's happening in Russia too. In fact, in true, Russian style, these stories are often bigger and more dramatic there than anywhere else. But we almost never hear about them. The Russian Arctic is a place that needs a lot more journalists asking a lot more questions. It's a place that needs Thomas Nelson. We can help the rest of the world understand what's happening up here. Reporting to to go to the field to the areas and talk to the people living on the countryside indigenous peoples on the tone Thomas has devoted much of his life to that kind of reporting. But he says he's not going back to Russia anytime soon, I would love to go back to two tomorrow morning, but we had situation. Your ago in March two thousand seventeen when I was one of my ordinary entries into Russia. This time without the delegation from the Danish parliament's, but then. But then that the border rotate into a back room with a lot of officers who very politely, but told me that I'm no longer wanted in Russia. He was told he posed a threat to Russia's national security, but exactly what that threat was was a complete mystery to Thomas the message coming up on the pulse control, computer when when I tried to answer. So hitchhike affected on each inside of the Bordeaux and has been in Russia since that. I didn't expect to that. All my papers in order of my Jonas visa accreditation to work as a reporter in in Russia. Even speeding tickets in Russia over this thirty s. A few days later, the Russian embassy in Oslo issued a press release saying Thomas was on the so-called stop list. Meaning he was no longer. Welcome in Russia. But they still weren't saying why? Visa regulations or any other Russian laws or regulations? So so I'm taking. Trying to find out. Why didn't know it entry to Russia and second to get back. My rights to do my job as journalists on Russian territory. FSP is the Russian federal security service much like its Soviet predecessor the KGB. It has a shocking amount of power and at operates mostly in secret. Just figuring out that the F Espy was responsible for his expulsion took three court cases. But eventually with help from a lawyer in Moscow Thomas case got a hearing. Of course, he wasn't allowed to be there for any of it since he was banned from the country. The judge shows did the job that I listen to both parties arguments and so on, but then came this a price the ruling by the court was kept secrets the arguments. And the reasons why not tend to Russia is kept secret. And that is clear of the Russian constitution. Thomas appealed, the ruling all the way to the Russian Supreme court, but the court ruled for the F S V it said Thomas, does pose a threat to Russia, and the FSP doesn't have to reveal what that threat is. But he's not. Stopping he's taking his case to the European Court of human rights. So what is this all about Thomas has a hunch every two that Lee those who are on the pets of totalitarian systems are afraid of freedom of speech, they're afraid of free journalism. So I think that the main reason why the media in Russia and also the burdensome sober hero covering cross-border. Racers Russia is under attack is because they're afraid they could be afraid because there's a lot for people to be angry about in the Russian Arctic, for instance, waste from a nickel mining company has heavily contaminated more than a thousand square miles of forest inside, Syria and outside watchdog group has twice listed the area. As one of the top ten most polluted places in the world. And just across the border from Norway near more months. One recent study found dangerously high levels of heavy metals in people almost all of the big companies moving into the Russian Arctic have close ties to the Putin regime, and they don't take kindly to reporters. Trying to hold them accountable, especially reporters who are attempting to inform Russians some outside journalists still travel throughout Russia and report on corruption and repression, but the Barents observer is one of the very few that publishes in Russian with the express intention of trying to provide independent journalism to the Russian people themselves. Are the only newspaper in northern Scandanavia publishing in Russian language, and we have thousands of readers on the Russian side of the border. And even though the Barents observer is tiny. They have a fulltime staff of to Thomas says this wasn't the first time they've been harassed in twenty four teen officials accused the observer of being a mouthpiece for the Norwegian government and that same year the FSP directly requested that. Norwegian officials close the paper down. Which officials responded that's not the way it work in the media freedom with authorities never interfere for Thomas. This fight is about a lot more than his own freedom to report in Russia. President Vladimir Putin began cracking down on independent journalism almost immediately after being elected in two thousand and ever since reporters who write critical stories have a tendency to die under mysterious circumstances. A few months ago three Russian journalists were murdered when an activist tried to investigate their deaths and potential Kremlin connections. He was poisoned, but survived the committee to protect journalists lists Russia as number eleven on its global impunity index meaning when Russian journalists are killed or attacked. It's rare for anyone to be held accountable all of this violence and intimidation of the media has huge implications for Russians, first and foremost. But Thomas says it also matters to anyone who wants to try to understand the. Shen arctic. He says the media is needed to serve its traditional role here ferreting out corruption and highlighting voices. That would otherwise get drowned out. What do we lose by not knowing more like how could that affect? I dunno decision making policy international relations by not having the information. I think the most untold stories or the consequences for the locals living in areas where big oil this moving in or where the military start to rebuild their facilities. And so so the media's role of being the voice of like indigenous reindeer herders that is what what I'm most scared that I will. We would never really we will most likely of realize it before it's too late for for many of them. And that is journalists is all about is about being insolent and being able to see a story from different perspectives. And that is more difficult to do today in Russia. There's hope you have the actor. Today, we lose the hope then it's kind of game over. So of course, we we do have hope. As a symbol of their hope. And termination, the barons observer has this Russian toy in their offices. A plastic doll with huge green eyes around read body. If you try to knock it down it. Bob's backup schooled go. Tip it over all this again comes Nelson and his colleagues and curcas have stuck a sign on the belly of the doll. That says try to tip over freedom of expression and see what happens you can people over journalists with we've always come up again for the world. I'm Amy Martin Kirkenes Norway. Amy's reporting on climate change in the Arctic comes to us through a partnership with the threshold podcast and with funding support from the Pulitzer center from Iceland and Sweden to Russia and Alaska over the past few weeks, we've been bringing you stories from the Arctic and the people who live there check out our Instagram for a recap of some of the stories and to test your knowledge with our Arctic quiz. We are at PRI the world on Instagram. It is always unsettling feeling when someone you interviewed in a war zone actually does Syrian opposition activists riot Farris with killed in the same place. I spoke with them from four years ago the area of it lib when we spoke his village from Bill was being targeted by Syrian government forces. But also by US air strikes aimed at ISIS when I asked him what it was like living there. Here's what he told me. Jhenidah? But engineer, I'll you can find on cellphones telephones them find anything we have looked his hip, but let the let we got some of us the charge like in a home Bill it's small one, but they can get us. We want them, and then it can predict themselves live like Kidman without electricity. And that's where the Skype line cut off. It was the only time I spoke with fed us late last week. We got the news that he was killed. Here's Rebecca collared with historic. In two thousand eleven like, so many Syrians rod ferris took to the streets to protest against the government of the Charlotte Saad, and when those protests turned into war ferris documented human rights violations by the government and the devastation caused by air strikes and shelling sharing it with the world in videos like this one. I walked through the aftermath of a strike on his village. Catherine bell smoke rises above buildings and rescue workers pull people from the rubble, but the gun was the head of what it's impossible for me to show you ferris told an audience last year at the Oslo Freedom Forum is what you smell when you reach a place. Like this the smell of burnt blood the smell of Vert vegetables, the smell of body parts, the smell of gunpowder fares is resistance started against the Assad government, but as militants took over opposition health parts of Syria. He held them to account to he posted videos putting covering bell on the international stage each week resident withhold signs in English often with satirical messages. In this video from two thousand fifteen residents held signs in English. One red black Friday special offer bring your enemy and come site and Syria for free. That's all semi that'd be good. Ila radical Gisela audio fresh thousand thirteen I launch Grady, fresh it broadcast news and warned residents of air raids and put fares in the crosshairs of the government and the extremist factions among Syria's opposition when US funding for radio fresh was stopped as part of aid cuts to series opposition fares wrote an op Ed in the Washington Post. He warned that without voices like radio fresh to provide alternative messages, another generation would take up arms and create new additions of ISIS fix about fluids out of home. Do was a friend and colleague Ferris's at radio fresh. I'm do says he told ferris to leave Syria that it wasn't safe. But ferris refused to leave a system. Of eight. The new house of competiveness spin Kenji get used to saying the Marta. I'm trying to absorb the fact that he's gun. He was like a steady mountain edge. His loss is a catastrophe. And it's affected us is huge fares didn't die in an airstrike or shelling by the Syrian government. He was gunned down in ca- fron bell along with his colleague homogeneity. It was not the first attempt on his life in two thousand fourteen. He almost died after being shot in the chest, but ISIS militants. Nobody knows for sure who sent the gunman who killed ferris engineered no group has claimed responsibility. But his friends and colleagues say they believe it was Jihadist militants that also oppose the acid government, but also all to the shop. But got me we want Justice. We reject all those military factions and one two three Syria through all series. These are some of the principles that's right to to us, and they can't take his principles away. Even though they manage to take his life. When he spoke in Oslo last year ferris talked about the double oppression of Syrians will how can you call the hustle who is shopping suited Louis. He told the audience the Syrian people are victims of two kinds of terrorism. One led by oxide and one led by an extremist groups versus death shows. The sad reality for the ones hopeful revolutionaries and the regular Syrians who simply saw freedom. They are now stuck between the oppressive rule of the Syrian government. And the many extremist groups on the ground who also seem uninterested in democracy or freedom for the Syrian people for the world Rebecca called heard Beirut. Leonard Bernstein, once famously said this will be our replied violence to make music more intensely more beautifully more devotedly than ever before. So on this mood music Monday. We have this well-timed request. Carey egg. Eggshell who listens to us on K Q E D in San Francisco made this mood music request. It's the dodge, oh, but Tomasso Albany. And if you know classical music, you know, this is where a controversy comes in Albany. It turns out did not compose the dodge oh in minor. His biographer ramo Jesualdo. Composed it in the twentieth century, claiming he based it on a fragment of a composition by the eighteenth, century, master historians are still debating how much of this work was Albany's, whatever the truth is Keri egg says for him. This is the most heart wrenching, Lee, sad piece. I've ever heard beginning in Mellon Kolia, slowly crescendo into hope only to sink during the last few minutes into total despair. Anyway, today, we're going to focus on the hopeful part Kerry why well because of you and why you said you're requesting this the dodge. Oh, lifts my soul above it. All you wrote and remote. Me. There is joy. Even in the midst of despair. Yes. Even in the midst of despair Albany helps thank you carry egg del for this week's world mood music. And what's your mood music request? You know, how this goes tell us what your mood is. And what song captures that mood, or what song you find that adjusts your mood lightly tweet it to me, I'm Marco werman or tweeted at the show, we are at PRI the world the world comes to you from the NAN and Bill Harris studios at W H here in Boston. We're back with you tomorrow. Our public radio international.

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November 26: Disassembly lines

"This is a CBC podcast. At just thirty four ninety nine. Amazon echo dot is the perfect gift for everyone on your list. No matter who they are like that person who won't be home for the holidays. Alexia call home calling home or who actually likes fruitcake Araxa reorder fruitcake order placed or who still believes in Santa Alexa, where Santa Santa's currently over Calgary or doesn't. Alexa, turn on the fireplace. Okay. Get everyone on your list. Amazon echo dot just thirty four ninety nine. For a limited time. Hello. I'm Peter Armstrong sitting in for Carolina. Good evening. I'm Jeff Douglas. And this is as it happens. The podcast addition. Tonight this assembly lines. General Motors announces it will close its plant in Austria on terro, and what it calls a global restructuring. We'll have a devastating local effect brinksmanship 's after a standoff in the Black Sea Russia makes off with three Ukrainian vessels and Ukraine's parliament votes to impose martial law. Overriding the privacy settings British parliament sends an officer to a London hotel to seize internal Facebook documents from visiting businessmen. Private documents one MP says could soon be made public on the Otago or hand in some ways director Bernardo Bertolucci was the alpha male of art cinema tonight, a close collaborator reflects on his late friend's influence and legacy. The winner is just floored also ceiling and wold, but that's what you'd expect of this year's best building in the world, a rural boarding school in Brazil and. Unheard mentality. Crowds dance through Edinburgh. Scotland wearing headphones and even though they are called silent disco walking tours they're causing headaches for residents as it happens. The Monday edition radio the guesses booby isn't just in the eye of the beholder. According to the General Motors press release the company is quote, accelerating its transformation for the future. But for all Shua on -tario GM's global restructuring is set to slam the brakes on the city's most important industry. The planned closure of the assembly plant in aqua-. Could mean the loss of over twenty five hundred direct jobs and countless more for related employers for other GM plants in the United States are also slated to close down Corey we're has worked at the Ottawa GM plant for eight years, we reached mister we're in Ottawa this. How did you hear that? This news was happening. A home. I just finished eating dinner and actually my girlfriend's father called and said, hey, you better turn on the news and talk about the plant. So we were pretty shocked, right? Over used to this kind of thing happening in the industry. Sometimes all the speculation. But decision of this magnitude come down through the press before the companies even notified the union was. Degrees arrogance that haven't seen in a while. So tell me what's going through your head is your driving into presuming you into work this morning. What was going through your head as you're pulling through the gate? Honestly, the only thing I could think of was that we needed to walk out of there. Like disgusted me that we were going in. And you know, a couple of guys said at the press conference basically being led like lambs newest slaughter, right? And you know, every single car the move by just gut wrenching to see because I knew that we're you know lining, the pockets of the shareholders book, absolutely gut our community on the chair went up today. I mean, they've done better as a result of this. Yeah. They've been nice healthy healthy bump in their stock shares, which I should say something, I think pretty profound better economic system. But he may be another discussion. But and yet one of your union executives gave a pretty rousing speech this afternoon, saying no, we're going to go back to work, and we're going to continue making. The best cars and trucks in North America. How do you feel about that? I mean, I feel conflicted. I think you know, I support our leadership, you know, they have a plan to engage in talks with the with the federal government. You know, that's the avenue that they're going to take right now. I think you know, we'll see how that goes. And take it from there. How how pent-up is the demand among, you know, on the shop floor people like you that are in there working every day to just say, no, we're gonna walk out take some kind of job action. How how much friction will there be between you and the and the union leadership? Yeah. You always get on the shop floor. Always get a variety of opinions. Right. Like today when we walked through there were some people thought, it was the wrong thing to do even walk out to begin with, you know, they were getting into some confrontation conflict with our with our committee people say to walk. Hey, we're we're hitting the streets, right? Right. Gives a sense of what is this going to mean for all Shua to lose this plant, the impact on all show will be enormous. I mean, you know, our economy's a little bit more diverse than with the choice was when when they had the city absolutely destroyed by the big three nine PM. But it's going to be a major impact on al-shawa. I mean for everyone of our jobs. I've heard different figures I've heard everything from stick was eleven jobs type of GM through suppliers alone. And those workers actually are even more precarious than we are. Because you have workers who are making, you know, around fourteen fifteen dollars an hour. And if you live in the Durham region that's already below the low income cut off and those workers are already living in poverty. So now, they're going to be spe- thrown out into the wind here to compete with jobs against each other. And against us. This affect everybody is going to be drastic. And it's I think I remember seeing figures that the auto industry provides around five billion dollars annually for GDP over a million dollars in federal tax in a million provincial. So I mean taking that money off the table is just devastating for everyone. So that's the community. What what will this mean for you personally for your family three personally? I don't know. I mean, you know plan. On building a life in show. I have a home here. I have a family. I have you know, everything is here. It's been built around this career that I built the auto industry. Right. So for me. I don't know. I haven't even got there yet. Right. I have all these things I'm trying to process them as we go along. And that's gonna be a struggle. That's for sure regardless of where I go yours, obviously isn't the only plant closing GM says is part of a global transformation that it needs to do to remain competitive in the future. How do you respond to that? That's absolute garbage. They're making record profits. You know, they're going to spend that right, obviously, that's gonna be the intervene competitive. But I mean, there's a point where remaining competitive actually becomes being almost sadistic and just destroying communities. Right. I mean, and I feel for all these plants in America to lakes people are workers. We're all workers. Right. And yeah, I just don't buy into it. They're still like an enormously profitable multinational corporation, so for them to ever cry broke as laughable. Disgusting insulting. I mean in two thousand seventeen GM Canada reported a seventeen percent year of your drop in vehicle sales. Does it do we have to be asking the question is GM making the right kind of vehicles? Yeah. I mean, as we know that I think the writing is kind of on the wall. If it wasn't a few years ago definitely is now we're moving towards av. The nature of oughta was trained changing, right? We're going through probably the fastest transportation transformation that we've seen in human history. I mean, if the future is Thomas in electric vehicles is their criticism be made maybe on the Oshawa plant just didn't keep up with the times in making the right decisions about how to prioritize what what it was doing. I mean alternately I think this the onus has to go back to Detroit right because at al-shawa like we're in the most flexible and adaptive plants running right? So if the trade had come to twenty sixteen and said, you're building the volt or your we're going to shift full-bore toward the our workers would have got it done because you know, we're a skilled in dedicate. Fid workforce. I don't think it's our plan has failed. I think Detroit has failed us through not allocating product to us. All right. Well, we'll be watching with great interest. Mr. thank you so much making time today. Thank you very much, Cory. We're works at the Oshawa GM plant. We reached him in offcial on -tario later on in the program. We will have more on GM's decision to close your schwa-. Emily plant will speak to the MP for that area. Jennifer, french. Initially. They asked nicely. Now, they are done with being nice. It is no secret that British politicians are frustrated by Mark zuckerberg's, refusal to come to London to answer questions about Facebook's handling of users private information. They have repeatedly pressed him to address parliamentarians directly. A now the British parliament has used its powers to seize internal Facebook documents from an American software executive visiting London. And that is not the only drama that unfolded Doney O'Sullivan has been covering the story for CNN reached him in London. Doney how did the British parliament get possession of these documents? So we learn over the weekend a executive from a development company was visiting London a small, the nobody has ever really heard of and this executive high documents, which are internal things book documents which could include emails among top Facebook executives, including Mark Zuckerberg, somehow British parliamentarian, Damian Collins who need that committee looking into any information online. Thank news found out that this executive was in town and lump story short sent sergent at arms to hotel and eventually compelled him to hand over the documents. The sergeant at arms, I I mean, I didn't even know that the sergeant of arms would have the legal authority to demand. Somebody handover these kinds of documents. Yeah, we're told that it's a very rarely used mechanism and just thinking. Bit of background the executive who was visiting London as a man named Ted Kramer. And he runs a company called four three and they've been in a years long litigation against Facebook. He basically sued Facebook when he said that Facebook change some of their policies that few years ago, and that it killed his business. So during this lawsuits, and as part of the discovery process, Kramer and four tree got access to these internal Facebook records. Now, the course where they are suing Facebook in California ordered that these documents should remain under seal. So none of us are supposed to know what's inside them. But now that Damian Collins a member of the British president has he could exercise his parliamentary privilege here and put them into the record a parliament for all of us to see and he sent the sergeant of arms over to this executives hotel with a deadline. And as I understand it the executives that are not. We're not handing his over. What happened? Then did he drag them off to parliament? Yes. So it's not entirely tiered the full sequence of events how much executive protested. But what we do know is that he was eventually escorted to parliament hospital by the surgeon hide arms. It's not entirely here. And he eventually did hand over the documents that were in his possession, which we believe were on a laptop the while we do know is that these documents some of which could paint Facebook in a not so great lice are in the possession of Mr Collins, and his committee here in London and Facebook has been fighting very hard documents to not be made public. Do we have? I mean, we don't really know. What's in these documents? Do we have a sense of how damaging the could be? So in the the lawsuits, that's Mr. Kramer, brought against Facebook. They use these documents to make a whole listening of allegations against the company. So what we can actually see in court filings is the claims that Kramer is making. But not the documents to back up those claims. Right. So how'd he's claiming basically that Facebook doesn't really give it down about user privacy that Mr. Zuckerberg was sort of pretty cut trove in how he went about coming up with schemes sorta squash competitors and potential, you know, rival to Facebook back in twenty fourteen. Twenty fifteen Facebook will say that six four trees case is without Marras, and they have pushed back very much on the premise of six trees lawsuits, but Facebook is fighting very hard for the documents that have been obtained true discovery for them not to be made. Public. So you can imagine that there might be some details in those documents, maybe emails from our Coburg that do not have the billionaire very positive lice. And they're already as you say pretty active in trying to keep them from getting into the public has Facebook responded to the seizure and said anything publicly since. So once Facebook learned that Mr Collins was demanding these documents in Las week Facebook called up the course in California, which ruled that these men should stay under seal, and the course, and he can imagine the judge in California doesn't seem too happy about down. And he is asked Facebook, and Mr. Kramer to let the court know by tomorrow, how this all happened. They spoke over the weekend road, and let her to Mr Collins, and and they said we understand you parliamentary privilege, but we'd ask that you wait to see what the judge in California says Mr Collins, the MP did not take that letter. Very well he wrote back within a few hours yesterday on Sunday. They saying look I am a member of parliament where sovereign. I have these powers in UK, and basically, I can do whatever I want with these documents tomorrow. She's. Is when Mr Collins will be appearing at a committee. They will be questioning a Facebook executive. So you could imagine that it's possible. And I think Facebook is is quite fearful that Collins will use some of the information that he has seen through emails documents in the questions, he poses to the Facebook executive tomorrow or possibly worst case scenario for Facebook is that Collins exercises, parliamentary privilege entirely and post all of the documents into the record. They're all of us to see and for all of the fireworks and all of the drama that we've seen so far if he were to do that if he was to just post these up on the internet. What would the impact of that be? Well, it's difficult to say without having seen the documents. But if you take the allegations that six four tree makes in their lawsuits, which they say is based on these documents this could be extremely damaging. All right. Brace yourselves can be another interesting day Doney. Thanks for this. Meter? Daniel Sullivan is the politics and technology reporter for CNN. We reached him in London. And we have more on this story on our website, CBC dot CA slash AH. Gary lens wants his job back. So does Craig James Mr. lens in James are respectively. The sergeant at arms and the clerk of the BC legislature. They were marched from their offices last week in the midst of an investigation into what we still don't know exactly Mr James told reporters that they had been deeply humiliated, and that he could think of nothing that he had done to disqualify him from doing his job. And then one of the reporters notice Mr. lens was choking up. He asked him to explain it was a shock when this this place. And what I got home. I didn't have a phone didn't have any way to communicate to my family. My daughter came to me. And she says, you know, when this happened so quickly within for Royal? She was at work. And she says she got a text says sorry to hear about your father. Our prayers are with your families. Just like that said, she couldn't reach anybody. She couldn't reach my my wife. It is. I'm not just the sergeant at arms. I'm a father. The husband all of these levels impact what happened today. So when I like right now, I'm lucky to get three hours sleep at time hard to eat. All my family's around to friends or on me and their support of all those issues. It is not what keeps me from sleeping and night. The investigation is my family. It's everybody who's done nothing wrong. Because not an issue of of anything done. That's going to be coming up. Let the posts continue let the investigation take place. Let's get to this quick this possible. So that I can get my name cleared, and we can live, but it's my family. It's the France reputation that is that is I think about Kerry lens was suspended from his job as sergeant at arms of the British Columbia legislature this week. He was speaking at a press conference in Vancouver alongside Craig James who was also suspended from his job as clerk pending a police investigation relating to both men. If you were to happen upon one of them. It would be nothing short of terrifying. A group of people flailing around together while walking in utter silence. Don't worry. However, what you're seeing is people dancing at a mobile silent disco where everyone is wearing headphones instead of listening to music blaring out of giant speakers what a relief for you to discover that. And you would think what a relief for people who don't want to hear deafening dance music. But according to some residents of Edinburgh Scotland silent discos are much more disruptive than one might think. The local city council has received complaints about them. And tonight it discussed a report on the problems with silent discos and other walking tours in Edinburgh. Joe Mauer is a counselor in Edinburgh. We reached her today before she headed off to that very meeting. Counselor paint a picture for us where do these silent discos usually take place? What do they look like what's going on here? Well, if you can imagine usually a mom leading them in head to toe spandex headphones winding through the narrow medieval streets of the city of Edinburgh, and you've got people walking about and then suddenly they break into dumps to music Yukon ham. I left because it does kind of sound funny. You you you don't see quite as much of the humor in it. I mean, I can see that that looking on pop to to be on a visit somewhat to do this. I can see that. That would be really good fun of the time. It's not a particular problem, and you can see it, you know, in a film, and you can think of flash. Okay. But the thing about Edinburgh, which is different to a loss of the inner cities that that you might be is we have a big residential population. And the people who have got foodie people who maybe a bit more relaxed bit more inhibited. Because that don't sing in the middle of the street to music, and sometimes the music may be signed that the people out and underneath your window when you put a fairly small. That's maybe something that is a bit difficult to live with when it's happening three or four times a day. And what our constituents telling you I and I understand that. You know, the noise is a bit much, but they live downtown in areas where there's often noise and people leaving and going to bars. What are their main complaints consent is is describe it to me, a lot of weeping and weeping whipping, we ping, and it tends to be in the same place. And it's quite big crowds. T- things says noise when you'll sitting at high minding your own business. Say we don't have that much based on the pavement to the pavement quite narrow. And there's lots of people that want to be the obstruction on the pavements as well that cools is concerned. You know, you've got people that don't sing around them may be paying that much attention on he's walking in the right when it's traffic game posted some them is it you. So those those are the consent. It's noise at safety and just blocking the pavement. So what what is council going to do in response to these complaints? Well, what we say we go anything, I'm the current licensing legisation that we could use to do that and out to that is no so tonight that the meeting having I'll be saying can we can we look at how we can manage this Besse. And this isn't about saying I didn't want this to happen walking to shouldn't happen. But it saying. The people that want to do a lot of stuff in quite a small area in the city. And so that the people who had coming visiting the have a good time. So that they can have a good time, and they can be safe. And that the people who lives kick and go about that daily business and can be safe. We'll that those things can happen. It's about how can we manage this bets? Now of the telegraph for what it's worth saying, you're considering an outright ban on the silent discos altogether. That would be UK. I what would you really go that far? No, the Telegraph's got it wrong. That out from somewhere else. And and I think if you read the article headlined as its bomb, but actually me off it doesn't say that. So I think that's just a heads up fake news. Would you though consider abandoned parts of the city as you say that are more residential and say, listen, if you wanna do it let's create zone in which you are allowed to make this work really really difficult about having bre, I'm one of the best things back is that we've got people living everywhere in right in the heart of the city, and we won't not to continue. It's much more about managing this define a grain and saying, you know, if you stand there and jump Pat and good boo every night, which some of the ghosts told to disturbing this block flats he can do it. The next close down on it snowed. Approp- limb. Sometimes it's just about getting the right place on the right time. And even if it's a case of knowing who's running the tools being able to come type tools being able to say, look we've had a complaint could she tweet this. I think we will get on a bunch bets up. This is one company. Silent adventures. And it claims it's the only one that actually gives these tours year round. And the marketing director of silent ventures has said that you know, he feels that this is I I kind of punishment because of some frankly, Etta control companies that were operating during the fringe festival. What's what's your response to that? I can understand why he feels like that funding. I've just been in touch with him this evening to say this is exactly about punishing good operators. It's about trying to find a way of encouraging the good. So that the bad who a crowding that tools? You know, giving very good tool and some of them, you know, we get to it's coming through the front of our building every day in the courtyard and some of them up a bit loose with that fact. So it's it's a case of how how can we encourage the good? And maybe being if you go to rush into space time say that we don't really want the bad ones operating here who all closing the problems. Can I ask have you ever tried? Silent disco. No, I haven't. Any desire? Would you would if I came there would you do it with me probably properly? I did that they raise a one of the attractions they've got this Christmas, but the Christmas period, we go to streets have lights, and they'll running assign disco in that, and I did say to my dose it. Do you want to get up and do the fun at this case, we got with a few friends and did and I go to that's just no Kumon. Pet did because that's the right space for it. It is a good space for it. I'm not completely against this. I'm just saying we really need to. Well. Let us know what happens, and we really appreciate you making the time talked to us. Not until thanks for that. Thank you. Bye. Joe Mauer is a city councillor in Edinburgh. And that is where we reached her. And if you would like to see a video of some of these silent disco tours in her city, and I know you do visit our website, CBC dot CA slash AH. Tonight. The parliament of Ukraine voted to impose martial law on that country's border regions president pit throw. Put a shaneco asked for the new powers after an incident on Sunday in the Black Sea that ended with Russia sailing off with three Ukrainian naval vessels, Ukraine's allies have denounced the seizures as a dangerous esscalation of hostilities the Russians. Insist they were provoked Christopher Miller is a freelance journalist who has been covering Ukraine for years. We him in Kiev shortly after the vote Christopher just how tense are things in Kiev tonight. It's been pretty tense for the last twenty four hours ever since the skirmish between Ukrainian Russian ships in the which is for several hundred kilometers away in the black seat. But hearing lawmakers today have been debating a proposal that would seem martial law imposed across the country. And then just within the last hour here in Kiev. They finally did pass a Bill that will allow for martial law to be imposed. So tensions are pretty high people try to figure it out. Just what exactly it means? And of course, you know, with this looming threat of possible further Russian aggression that president Puerta Shaka spoke about in parliament's end in televised address the earlier so when martial law does kick in on Wednesday. What's it gonna look like what will actually happen? Yes. So Ukrainians will wake up and at nine AM just as everyone is starting their work day. In in ten regions that border areas where Russia has troops. So it would mean several regions that actually border Russia or Russian occupied Crimea or the vase off or Transnistria the breakaway territory in Moldova where Russia has troops in those areas. People will see an increase in the number of police and military and other security forces on the street. They will be subjected to arrests if military police officials see anything that they might deem fishy. They don't need any kind of pretext or or reason prohibitions on the freedom of movement. So the border guard service of Ukraine might block or restricted the movement of Russian citizens coming across the borders in those areas, even the entry to some of the some of the regions such as the regions of Lugansk and Don yet, which are already considered to be in the conflicts. It's going to if it doesn't immediately look different. It's going to certainly feel different. Just just with that coming into force. And this all stems as you say from the skirmish yesterday, the Russians said to fired on and then boarded these three creating chips. What happened there Ukrainians had wanted to move three naval vessels from their Black Sea. Port of Odessa to their see Avaz for in Mary EUPOL, and while en route the Russian security are Russian coastguard vessel. That's controlled by the F A. Spear federal security service, intercepted these votes and one Russian vessel. Rammed into a Ukrainian vessel causing pretty bad damage to its motor. And it's full two other vessels were fired upon by other Russian coastguard vessels. They were damaged Twenty-three Ukrainians were detained three of them. We've come to learn were wounded in the. The gunfire. And it's the first time that Russia has openly admitted to firing on a Ukrainian military elements since the war between the two countries, which of course, is being thoughts with Russia's Zolder. But also through for Russian separate struck sees since the war began in April two thousand fourteen that's the what I wonder if you can if there is an answer to the why why is this happening now? Yes. A really good question. You know, that's that's one. We don't have an exact answer to. But you know, Russia has always looked for a way to further destabilize Ukraine in order to keep it within its sphere of influence and would have had several hours to know that these ships were coming in and perhaps seen as maybe a setup in their favor to make it look as though Ukraine was acting aggressively in in order to justify closing off the Kerch strait and the sea of ause in this body of water is jointly shared body of water between new crane and Russia, and they must have wanted to completely control it because it it happens to also wash the shores of Russian occupied Crimea. But also, you know, it it was a lot of economic pressure on Ukraine because to release strategic and important ports in the sea of off the only access is getting through the Kerch strait and this. Kerch strait is now covered by a bridge that Russia built links may land Russia to the Crimean peninsula. So it's able to kind of, you know, either Pinscher close off this see and hurt Ukraine economically on the Ukrainian side. You know is serves it serves for Shinko as we saw tonight with this passage of martial law in that he is doing miserably in the polls right now and he's fighting for reelection. And he's always presented himself as a strong military leader. He's been praised for his role in commanders in chief while being criticized in many other areas, so this is kind of served him domestically at a particularly critical moment of time. So I I mean, you take that the the looming election and other sort of standoff between Ukraine and Russia, and it sets up just sort of bristling over tensions yet again. What can happen next? Yeah. That's the big question. There are several possibilities. It's I I would say not not highly likely, but one thing that Ukrainians greeting president co in particular was warning tonight was a full-scale land invasion by Russia. They say that tens of thousands of Russian soldiers are are in position around the country. And we've known this actually for quite a while. But it was presented in a way tonight as to appear as though an attack was imminent, and we're not quite certain that it is. You know, I think there's a lot that that could happen. But we don't we don't quite know. What exactly will happen? I think come Wednesday morning when martial law does come into place. We'll get a slightly better sense of just what things are going to be like here for the next for the next month. All right. Well, we'll keep a close eye on it as well. Take care yourself over there. Because for thank you for this. Sure thinking Christopher Miller is a freelance journalists tweaked him in Kiev, Ukraine. He was a cyber terrorist in the JAMES BOND film, tomorrow never dies. He was porno camera operator boogie nights in real life. Though. Ricky Jay was a magician the actor author and sleight of hand artist died this weekend and in keeping with his lifetime of artful deception. His age has been reported as both seventy and seventy two the comedian Steve Martin wants described Ricky Jay as quote, the intellectual elite of magicians. He's expertly able to perform and yet knows this theory history and literature of the field, Mr. j had a way with playing cards. He could do astonishing close up magic with them. He could also throw one fifty seven meters and hit a target his mastery of craft got him work as a consultant on films like ocean's, thirteen the prestige the illusionist, but Kraft alone was not what made him. A favored guest of late night talk shows, he had charm. He appeared on the late show with David Letterman a number of times over the years. And here he is from twenty thirteen promoting documentary called deceptive practice, the mysteries and mentors of Ricky. Jay. In the film. There's a great segment where the Sunday we're talking to a guy from the Los Angeles County sheriff's department who is teaching you a rarefied form of March arts arts, and he and seen in the Lucien or sleight of hand that you had done where you take to one dollar bills. What book an odd comes a single two dollar Bill? Right. And he was so baffled by this that. But for months and months of hectoring you about how it was done. He follows you into the shower. And he says he says here are to one dollar bills doing for me now. And you according to this guy did it. Yeah. Yeah. Now. How did you do the way I analyzed? It was it was the quickest way to get him out of the. But I mean is that true? Is that possibly true? Well, yes, I mean, I thought it was funny. I lost track of them. He was a sheriff in Los Angeles, and these wonderful filmmakers, Molly burns, new Allen. That will seem tracked him down to God knows where and he was still carrying two dollar Bill, and you guys were all at lunch, and you said who's got a dollar Bill who's got it all our Bill, and then bingo abracadabra zippo, it becomes a two dollar Bill. I understand that very I don't understand it in the shower. Actually Verlaine was known to perform something rather remarkable showers. What are we? Honestly. Idea the guys following the shower or or did you say later? How was that possible? Don't tell me on the trick was done. Just tell me how it was possibly. You know, I wake up on alternate days in my life thinking, I'm the unluckiest guy in the world and the luckiest guy in the world. And I think this proves I'm a little closer to the lucky. Yeah. Could you do it? Now, if you taking a shower. It would be hard to say, no. The great magician and actor Ricky Jay never wanted to tip his hand on the late show with David Letterman back in twenty thirteen. Ricky Jay died Saturday. He was seventy four seventy two years old, depending on who you ask. GM workers in also say that they are not prepared to take the loss of their plant lying down as we told you earlier on in the program over twenty five hundred workers in the -tario city are set to lose their jobs after General Motors announced a massive global restructuring after the news came out workers in the plant walked off the job some set up blockades of the plant and here are some of those workers speaking to reporters as they left the plant today. I've never seen anything like it. And we can't get any answer. So we've stopped. We have no answer. One knows. What's? Taking our soon. Everyone's leaving story. Mean her company I trust right now. Thirteen years. So. At some point. So that's what we're doing. That's what we're doing. Working here. Fred the nanowaste together or couples nor to go with your situation. I only have a few years ago, but still who's going to hire somebody. Right. Bad situation. Later on in the day union official for GM workers at the plant told them, quote, they are not closing our damn plant without one hell of a fight, unquote. And that sentiment is being echoed by the city's end EP member of provincial. Parliament, Jennifer, French, we reached his French in aqua-, this French Ontario premier Doug Ford said today that he tried to reason with GM, but was told there was absolutely nothing. He could do to reverse this decision. Do you buy that? No. I don't accept that. I I believe that that was the conversation. But I can't believe that that at the end of the conversation. You know, we have a whole toolkit that we're not even opening. I mean, this is move is part of a massive global restructuring of go global conglomerate, what do we have in our tool kit that could have persuaded GM when looking at that broader global perspective to stay you ask an excellent question. You know, there is there's a bigger picture. Here. And you know, I know that also is a part of it. But the thing is aqua- also the start of it, you know, they really were a hundred years ago. And and this isn't this isn't just a history lesson. You know, this is there is real potential for the future because Ottawa is a cutting edge facility at award winning. You know, GM has really showcase it as their jewel, you know, their their numbers and their products are are excellent. And so just cut them out of the next chapter of innovation and vehicles moving forward, if that's hybrids or green technologies, and we are ready for that that the city has had so much investment to have that end without without an explanation or without even looking at continuing with with all Shua operating and keeping the jobs here. I think it's the absolute wrong thing to do. Especially on the first day of the fight to just you know, throw in the towel. But I mean, the numbers were speaking pretty. Loudly in two thousand seventeen GM reported seventeen percent year of your drop in vehicle sales. Well, Canadians were buying thirteen percent. More cars and vehicles. We we knew that there was going to be an imbalanced there. The question was what was going to do about? It wasn't it. And anyone you talk tease has a different interpretation of what we what we have seen. Right. You know, GM apparently had signed an agreement that promise. No closures for four years is what we heard today. There are a lot of questions to be asked. Yes, I think everyone recognizes that people are not buying cars. The way the used to they're going to they're going to crossover vehicles, but Ottawa surpass all expectations when it came to putting in the you know, the truck line we can put in a hybrid we could put in the next whatever you want to imagine the provincial in federal governments poured what fourteen billion dollars into GM's bail at back in two thousand nine looking back on that decision. Now, what would you like to seen done differently? Everyone in Canada has an opinion about about that money, which is fair whichever side of the conversation. You're on about putting the money in the money was put in, but it was put in without strings attached. As we're finding now put in with a bunch. Strings attached. And they met those strings, but it's now been whatever it is nine years since where strings enough, I guess that is debate especially as we go forward. You know, if there is a way to convince General Motors to reconsider I don't know. Like, I said, we haven't we haven't explored any option, and then we've got the feds and the province saying it's disappointing and we are sad. And we are already going into damage control note, when we have I don't know it looks like a year that we're we're hearing before the product will no longer be allocated at this point. And we we aren't even we aren't moving forward with any strategies. Like, I said, we're we're just folding a suit on the first day is is frustrating. I understand that the broader conversation of, you know, global restructuring. But I also know that when I look around the community, I see. That it isn't just about a global story. This is at a community story, and this isn't just an awful lot and Durham region story, you know, taxpayers contribute to our broader Canadian economy. Lord knows the automotive industry has been a massive part of our Canadian economy. And I think that's the broader question here that I'm sure the people you're talking to done at the plant all day are in their heart of hearts concerned about is is this decision by GM canary in the coal mine, not just for GM. But for the automotive sector in Canada. And what are your concerns about that can fair and certainly is shared by the folks here. I mean, there's panic. There is a lot of anger, and essentially betrayal is is sort of what I was what I was picking up. You know, that we've heard it's only oughta about for how long we still don't have a reason why right when you look at Ottawa as being crown jewel, though to speak that their numbers were, you know, the the best of all of the plants. If if they aren't staying open than than what is to keep anyone else. Right. What is to keep anyone else getting product and moving forward. It has been a really rough day. I know that we're in for one heck of a bumpy road. You know, the the workers today were not not impressed with the damage control strategies or the the five extra weeks or things like that. Because they want to hear that someone wants to fight to keep these jobs. All right. Miss french. We have to leave it there. But thank you so much for this. Jennifer, French is the Indy p member of provincial parliament, representing Oshawa Ontario. And that indeed is where we reached her. What do we really know about the people who make dictionaries? I mean, I know what we're told. We're told that they are just innocent lexicographers who give us the animal Ogies pronunciations. And most importantly, the meanings of words. But can we trust them? For example. Dictionary dot com has just announced its word of the year misinformation. Gene Solomon, the websites. Linguists in residents told the Associated Press, quote, we believe that understanding the concept of misinformation is vital to identifying misinformation as we encountered in the wild. And at that could ultimately help curb its impact. And so how does dictionary dot com? Define misinformation. As follows quote, false information that is spread regardless of whether there is intent to mislead and that checks out. And apparently it follows spikes and searches for mainstream media Orwellian and white lie in two thousand eighteen so it's timely, but just for a moment. Let's consider the source, shall we? Dictionary dot com a site that when you look up sure Burt claims it is pronounced sure bet with only one are a site. That says the word EPA Thome is actually pronounced a pit to me. And that sag you is pronounced Sigli. Now, linguist Jane Solomon admits the websites choice of misinformation as the word for twenty eight team is a call to action in the hope that we will all be vigilant about language, and I'm all for it. All I'm saying is take a look at the source because maybe dictionary dot coms appearance of infallibility is simply a fa- Cade. It is the year nineteen twenty four and the setting is the Forbidden City in China. The government of the Republic is in flight now, remove the following them and Chilean who's to sitting. City. This Pui and his family have been given one hour to leave the Forbidden City. They will be courted to the home of his father and remain there under guard as state prison news and to further notice. Seen from the last emperor from nineteen eighty-seven directed by Bernardo about the Lucci today. It was announced that MISA Bellucci has died at the age of seventy seven he leaves behind filmography that includes classics like conformist and the controversial last Tango. In paris. Germy Thomas is a movie producer who worked with Bernardo Bertolucci to bring the last emperor to the screen and went on to produce other Bertolucci films like stealing beauty and the dreamers. We reached Jeremy Thomas in London. This Thomas, I vote I'm very sorry for the loss of your friend before we discuss his enormous achievements. I wonder if you can tell us what living with illness had been like for Bernardo these these past years. Well, he was ultimately man, and like great grits making filled day ahead, but he'd been had some ability problems little ause ten to fifteen years and develop that he was very proud stoic and he can new life, but he was in wheelchair. But I I mean was he still planning he was working on something when he died was he's still actively you. Yeah. We actively thinking you making film directors singing about movies, but the people who live by thinking about Finot cinema. But they're always make you movie, whether they make you. How did you come to meet Bernardo Bertolucci? I go to cool for him just made a film makers guards. And as it with Japanese filmmakers, and he's like to meet you. Rest of the to give me the product of them. And I was an enormous fan of his persuading and in that meeting in that first meeting in Chinese restaurant. He pitched you on. Let's make the last emperor. Yeah, he gave me a to voters view. And this is what I want to do. And we started we'll get nations and getting all the rides getting to getting from the filming. And they love, but who she joined the cultural minister of them have been we go to the mission. What do you think the Chinese liked him? So they they like it's Li Monka. It would students vindicate business. And but future was that. It was a Marxist. No, censorship whatso- written. They approved the script and they gave us free to make the field. He he had a well deserved reputation for for being a filmmaker who I mean to defy social norms. Barely even touches what he did. But but for that, and and for really testing and pushing boundaries when it came to everything depicting sexuality expressing his politics through film was he equally subversive and mischievous in in real life. We'll be a different today. Are there are necessary. Don't that post, but he works to legal, and he was interested. He was European filmmakers from you. Love. Talent one left, and he was the end of that. And if you think he's making from when he was twenty one, and it's something that is cheese in the world today, but the area situa- lati- and the condition of about you'll everybody's mall, especially if it's too late orientated. You know, it's it's a cliche, but you would expect a man with such a famous filmography to be difficult to work with onset. A lot of people that are as famous and successful as he is our what was your experience of working with him. Benny films with him many long period. So I had a relationship with them. But he was a very collaborative we even in the most difficult to film, building sky, so HARA etcetera, he was a ways in sync with the filmmaking, and as he was in charge of the film in his brain. He could change the film, if we and he would he said, okay, Jeremy of sympathy. Oh, she to trouble. Out of trouble. He'd think of think of doing it at one short. He could do it in one. I mean, he was he was doing one show with the camera on the mood rose and ten setups. And he had that expertise and shooting Phil what he wanted into completed seen. He was no stranger to controversy. He was never afraid of controversy after last Tango. In Paris was released. He was hit with obscenity charges for the explicit sex scenes about two years ago last tangos infamous rape scene came under renewed scrutiny raised a lot of questions of consent onset. How did Bernardo Bertolucci approached that kind of criticism of his work? I think that it goes with the territory of get he loves vote at the time because it was the draw. That was being very host film, and will be going to film, but it up in many decades ago, I was in bed if people left to that set he and Marlon Brando later admitted that they hadn't fully informed. The actress Maria Schneider of what was going to happen in that scene. So some had said we should reconsider how he has been lauded as a director as a result. What do you make of that? We comment on that look at his films. He through incredible footprint of cinema. He is one of the main just philmont as old time gave us the conformance staying. He gave his. Empress? And is is like you see I think is that. Don't do my best friend into what would you enjoyed decades of collaboration and of great personal friendship with him. Is there is there a moment or a particular memory that that you're thinking of today that that stands out? Yeah. We think so Foley annoy with chilling confused when but he said want to say if Neal is the Big Apple only weight is the big nipple, and it was fused and embarrassed lofta of the woods. Backstage the price. What about TV doesn't understand you'll reference to Hollywood? What do you say about Hollywood he said because fide denied forty by the milk of Hollywood that's been though that let's take and that very visual. Incapable, we would gratified that. Well, it's it's an incredible career to look back on. And I just really want wanna thank you for letting us in and sharing all this with us today. No. He was great. He was great. Everybody will miss him. Indeed. Thank you so much there. Okay. Bye. Bye. Jeremy Thomas is a film producer and collaborator. And friend of the late Bernardo Bertolucci whose death was announced today. He was seventy seven years old. This has to be morale building for a building. Dedicated to morale building the title of best building in the world has just been conferred on a rural boarding school in Brazil. He might have figured it would go to a tree covered apartment tower in Milan or concrete campus in Tokyo, both of which were also in the running, but the Royal Institute of British architects, instead selected the work of the young architects, pedal, Duchenne and Gustavo travel since the building and self offered no comment, we reach Petra chain in Sao, Paulo, Brazil. Mr duchenne. How does it feel to hold this title to be one of the architects behind the best building in the world? Feeling for civil because it's such besiegers award. So we were very very happy to receive that. And also because it's such a surprise way. We did not expect through the prize. I mean there were so many great buildings and huge textile firms, and we are sort of far away from death reality part of what makes it great. Is that it's so unique can you describe the school? I what does it look like the the first bite. That's very unique is that is a boarding school. And it is very very far away from the city. So the kids that go there to come from lowington families there about seven hundred students and also lots of features and people that were there in the all live in this kind of of farm. It's more than just a building. It's a whole complex that was existing there. And now a project was to make a better. Accommodation for the for the students. There's also lots of important things that we had to to do it to to make the kids feel at home because they come from such different and difficult backgrounds and the most. Maybe thing that you see at first is huge roof. This very light roof that creates a big shadow, so the rich Barton, the the the first thing that comes to your mind when you see the beauty is up. Dizzy free space that protects from the dang from that all the other parts of the beauty star to relate to to this shadow to this face. This kind of intermediate space between the outside the inside. We'll put some pictures of it up on our website. So people can see because it really is an interesting almost a movement as you move through the building itself. I I read that the people in charge of the school. They they wanted to pick you and your partner is the architects behind this because you were young. And because they thought that you'd probably listen to the students what did the students? Tell you. The tutoring was very was a fairy reach experience to to talk to Dan because the the come from families. That have lived there in displays for a long time. And somehow they begin to to lose his relationship to Dilan to to do own history. So when I got there we went to visit their grandparents house to see what what he was like, it was more like smaller houses with mud walls. And also a big veranda a big fad though that would protect this inner space and somewhat to surprise inside space really really comfortable in in the temperature way. So it was cool. Even though we had forty degrees celsius outside the inside parts of the house was very inviting. And we knew that there was some kind of very Portland knowledge there, and that was important to bring that to the project and some some students have our head already begun to to look at this the houses of their grandparents something. From the past or something that backwards and the big challenge ASTA, the whole process was to listen to them, listen to their stories, and then make them realize how important and how beautiful and also use and technological where traditions that they already had in place. But there was also more pets working together with them first of all the making part of the the whole process in feeling that is doing also some some hell there's but also to listen a little bit of hell could be fine to to their needs. And also to the needs of the teachers and the the host cool, and what kind of plays did they like to what kind of games like to play all kinds of confirm ation that try to incorporating the design process. I mean, it's amazing to see what imbibing a student with a sense of responsibility. But a sense of ownership. As well. Can do what affect you think this can have on the quality of life for these students, but we have really high hopes, right? We hope that the this base mix it up add or split a better space to live that the shooting have more more calm or room for themselves. And that they start to reflect the phone their own individuality, and we were seen really good results right away from from the point of view of them being peppy with the school and study more and having more time for themselves. I mean, it's interesting because I think you could see this kind of designed be replicated. But I I guess in your mind to what extent is almost more important to use this as an example, the remember the fundamentals it is not just the mechanics, and and you know, the building it's about the artistry in about the social aspect of meeting people and understanding what they need when you're trying to design something from an architectural standpoint. Yes, definitely we could not see the same building being replicated that clear as it is very important to look at all the complexities of the place and L too complex the people. And maybe from that could arrive in a similar building in another situation. But we would also have to go all the way back to a why does displays what is the people? And then what is the climates? How can we bring the transport materials all kinds of needs in these shoes? Day informed. The so much of of the project how well Mr. Shane, congratulations. And thank you. Thank you for doing this. Thank you very much. Shane is an architect with the firm zero reached him in Sao Paulo school. He designed rural Brazil was recently, given the award of best building in the world by the Royal Institute of British architects, and you can see as Peter mentioned some photographs of that school on our website, CBC dot CA slash AI. H. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard money to Friday on CBC radio one and on Sirius XM following the world's six you can also listen to the whole show on the web this code CBC dot CA slash AIH and follow the links to our online archive. Thanks for listening. I'm Peter arms-drop. Jeff douglas. 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Why is Trump a Putin Pleaser? What we learned this week..

"Welcome back to the rusted culture podcast. I'm your host Frank Ebersol basically. Hey folks we had a busy week last week did we. We learned that Roger Stone was convicted on all seven counts of lying to Congress. We learned three things. Trump did that basically helped Russia and we learned how donald trump shoved a fantastic embassador out of the way so that he can make it easier to do some arm twisting and basically bribery with with the new president elect of Ukraine. Stay right there. We'll take we'll talk about de we've got a lot more. We're going to talk to including Pastor Paula white trump's pastor. You're some interesting stuff there. Stay right there. So old Roger Stone here who I think encouraged in my opinion and basically invited Russian meddling into our elections via wiki leaks is is now looking at five to ten years in prison was sentencing sometimes this February. So let's see if the plan B. of a presidential. Pardon materializes presidential pardon. Get it ready. Well IF DONALD TRUMP isn't busy with impeachment he's busy trying to make Russia happy. The burning question here folks is this what is Donald Trump stand to gain from the Russians. Both both now in the short term and the long term. What does he stand to gain? And I'm not going to buy that crackerjack argument that he makes where this is in our best interest interest to get along with Russia up I mean come on Yep thanks captain. Obvious thank you what is Donald Trump had to stand to gain from the Russians. Well here's a little more. I guess we can call it fodder for the Putin's the puppet argument we learned last week. That Mick Mulvaney who was Donald Trump's office of management budget guy that old Mick Mulvaney temporarily put. Oh hold on the delivery of anti-tank Javelin missiles that were supposed to go to Ukraine because this would upset Russia. Oh my God make. We don't want to upset Russia. What we all know this? You know by now. We've all figured out. We know that the deal in Washington here is that if you upset Russia you'RE GONNA upset Donald Donald Trump and we learned about what Mick Mulvaney was up here up to by way of Catherine cropped. Who is a former White House official and this happened all the way back in twenty seventeen way before the trumps' Alinsky arm twisting basically it just happened The Summer in secondly folks we learned that Donald Trump called his then national security adviser John Bolton to complain about a routine I repeat this was a routine. US Navigational Patrol in the Black Sea after Donald Trump happened to see a CNN and report that framed the routine United States Navy patrol as a counter to Russia as a show of force. He got on the phone told John Bolton to tell the Navy to get out in not be in that that black c-section which is basically the Kerch Strait area and and you see the backdrop to this is that Russia had just attacked Ukrainian vessels and detained their navy men for routine UK. Ukrainian Navy patrol In the Kurt straight straight which can basically connect the Black Sea to the ESAB. See An we learned this by way of this whole thing by way of Christopher Anderson. WHO's was an aide to special envoy to the Ukraine Kurt? Volker don't WanNa make Russia unhappy. Do We oh now I mean Hell No folks God forbid we do anything to anger the the Almighty Russians. We don't WanNa make them angry. And you know this this this is this is a theme. He does it all the time in. I don't get it do you get the ideal folks or maybe the the hint that the United States as Americans were feeling subordinate to Russia under trump donald trump. I'm starting to feel like we're we're less then. Russia under DONALD TRUMP and keep in mind here that the gross domestic product of Russia is basically equivalent to Australia and why the kowtowing by the trump administration. Why The concern if you make command or not who who gives gives it? Oh well the last third thing thing. The Donald Trump has done to appease almighty Putin is that by withholding aid to the Ukrainians. He's actually doing three things at one time. He's getting three things for one money. The first thing that he's doing and it's obvious here that he makes the Ukrainians look weak in their ongoing fight against Russia whereby the way way Ukrainians have lost thirteen thousand citizens in this war against Russia. And the second thing that he's doing all at one time here is that trump gets helped smearing candidate for president. Joe Biden basically by getting Dolinsky to public publicly admit that he would look into an open investigation into Hunter Biden and Ukrainian energy company. Barack Obama he smearing Joe Biden the third thing that he's getting for one money here at the same time with a big smile and a shoutout to Vladimir Putin here he also gets Alinsky to publicly announced that he was going to investigate Ukrainians roll the 2016 US elections and the hack of the Democratic critic National Committee Server. So what a grant sleazy thing to do if you want the. US money to to help Ukraine Ukraine. You've gotta do these three things. Basically again folks trump makes Putin so very happy so so very happy and ask yourself why. Why does he always want to make Putin happy? What's in it for Donald Trump? That's how you got to look at everything what's in it for Donald Trump but as as we know getting back to this whole plan with Zilenski and trying to get those three objectives basically it that plan basically melted melted. Frosty the snowman on a hot day with the whistle blower when the whistle blower came forward and by the way Donald Trump only released the aid to the Ukrainians two days after the whistle blower blew the whistle on what trump was trying to do. And Right. Now you've got a whole cadre of Republicans stammering around saying that. There's nothing going to see. Her folks Ukrainians got what they wanted. They got what they wanted in the end. They get exactly what they want it. Don't worry about it and and you know what no no no no. Donald Trump got caught is why the Ukrainians got what they wanted. Donald Trump got I caught and we need to hold him accountable for what he has done. It's not time to be a good Democrat. It's not time to be a good Republican. It's time to be a constitutionalist. We all need to look at the Constitution and what Donald Trump was trying to do was bribery and it was trying to effect a US election and it was trying to withhold aid to get to smear Joe Biden and basically it was in my opinion also being done to appease Vladimir Putin so there's three things that Donald trump did to help rush or ask yourself again folks what's really in Donald Trump. That's what I want to know and the you you know. The next thing that we had that happened later in the week they kind of gave us a little bit more input into this orgy of corruption. That was happening with respect to them. Trying to twist Ukraine's arm. I just don't know how to put it. It's an orgy of corruption option. But how many times have you heard. Donald trump say that he withheld to you withheld a Ukrainian not because he was trying to smear Joe Biden but he was concerned about corruption shen in Ukraine. And what makes Donald Trump's claim that he was concerned over corruption. Especially Ludicrous. Is that on July twenty fourth twenty nine teen. He showered praise on. Let Sonko Ukraine's corrupt prosecutor-general literally showered praise on them and according to an October fifth article by The New York Times entitled meet the Ukrainian x press x prosecutor behind the impeachment fewer but Cinco basically made a career out of wielding Ukrainian law as a weapon in his personal political battles in the prosecutor general of Ukraine. By the way he had zero zero legal training. I mean what could possibly go wrong with that right prosecutor general with no. Oh No legal background I you know. I'm in favor of people working their way up. No doubt but this. This is ludicrous. I mean that's that's a joke joke. Right I mean he's prosecutor-general get no Oh okay well. Trump was praising Louis Cinco in July twenty fourth by saying in things like Cinco was treated badly in was a very fair prosecutor. was he saying that. Because let's Sankoh oh at Rudy. Giuliani's request had reviewed her revived an investigation into the owner of Barista our Ukrainian energy company. that as we know hired Hunter Biden and to be on its board because that happened all of a sudden let Cinco was treated badly and he's a very fair prosecutor but why let's go back to that. Why did Donald Trump say the let Sankoh was treated badly on July twenty fourth? well to understand that we need to bring Marie Ianovich who is the former. US Ambassador to Ukraine who was fired by trump trump into the picture. Let's think who had a good reason not to like ambassador of the Novic. Because basically she she went to she went to meatless Sankoh in two thousand sixteen at his office and she complained that his deputies were stained by corruption ambassador Yovany Oh vich even went further asking Lutsenko to stop investigating anti-corruption activists who were supported did basically by the American embassy. Let's sync reportedly snap. No one is going to dictate to me who should be investigated and non investigated prompting Ambassador Yovany coverage to storm out of the meeting. Uganda Vich can continue. She basically continue to press. Lets Cinco on anti-corruption while it's Cinco con sat down and wrote articles for the US based website the the hill and basically in those articles that he wrote for the hill the sorted that Ambassador Ivanovich gave him a no prosecute Lisk list of people that she did not want to be prosecuted by him. Lutsenko later acknowledged that the do not prosecute list never actually the existed and he blames that whole bit on a bad translation what makes that whole thing comical and it. It's just sort of ludicrous. In a way that recently Lutsenko was high tailed it for Britain on September twenty nine took off from the Ukraine heading for Britain and the reason that he gave was that he was trying to go to Britain to perfect his English. Well yeah that kind of makes sense and then two days. Later after he leaves for Britain Ukrainian authorities then opened a criminal case against Lutsenko saying he had abused his power in dealing with politicians Titians and others involved with illegal gambling so in a nutshell. Here what made Lutsenko a good guy. was he agreed with Rudy. Giuliani's request reopened an investigation negation. interbrew is my never mind. The fact that let's Cinco was corrupt corrupt. So by moving faster yovany. Oh veg edge out of the way. By essentially sidestepping the official State Department process. Donald Trump was able to insert his three Amigos Egos and those are Gordon. Zahn trump appointed ambassador to the U.. Kurt Volker US envoy to Ukraine for peace negotiations in in my all time favorite. Rick Perry those were the three Amigos by putting those people in those three Amigos. He could get what he wanted had done with Marie investor. You'RE GONNA vich out of the way. He could finally get what he was looking forward done in by the way here. Rick Perry is under scrutiny. Today because as US energy secretary in a visit to Ukraine he gave Ukrainian President Zielinski list of people who could serve as energy advisors and at the top of the list or on the list included. One of his old Texan financial supporters. By the name of Michael Blazer later nabbed a lucrative oil and gas exploration expiration nation contract despite the fact that his bid was millions higher than the lowest bid he was able to get that Ukrainian lucrative oiling GLAC black gas exploration contract good work Rick Perry I guess that explains why he's he's resigning at the first of the year. Don't let the door hit you in the butt. Rick Perry the digress. Here folks getting back to the three Amigos. The trump's want peer it's deep in its wide. It's largely a navigable by the way but getting back to the three Amigos after ambassador Yovich was fired in May trump has installed then installed the three Amigos soon thereafter which pink became the vehicle to arm twisting pressures alinsky basically to try to bribes bribes Alinsky to publicly announce. He was opening an investigation at one hundred Biden and his position on Barack Obama and by also getting's Alinsky to announce that he would investigate the Putin based conspiracy theory that the Ukraine has actually who had the DNC server back in twenty twenty sixteen. That's coming right from the mouth of Putin the fact that Ukraine had something to do with hacking the DNC server. I mean when you step back and look at the investigation would you look at the CIA and when you look at the intelligence community they all know it's Russia of course it's rushing we know it's Russia the Ukraine So folks this week we also learned that another State Department Official or employee overheard trump on a call with accordance Sunland with Sandline Sang. That celinski would do whatever trump wanted. He loves your as right. Yeah I'm sure he would do whatever trump wanted him to do about the investigations into Biden and the role that the Ukraine played in hacking the DNC DNC. Sir What's really what's really frustrating about this whole thing here folks says that. I'm just hoping that somebody someone would please do America the favor of fixing the damage that's been done in the Ukraine. US relationship the Ukraine needs all the help that we can give them in standing up against Russia and we need somebody. They can manage this government in our relationships effectively. Because it's not happening now. We need somebody new. Do that can fix this kind of crap. And Like I've said folks you know at this stage I'm GONNA take anything I'll take anything just. Aw I'll take anything. But Donald Trump Republican Democrat at the stage. I'll take anything so looking forward to this week. I believe it's on Wednesday. We have Gordon Sunland back in the hot seat for testimony and for the love of God man for the love of God please tell the truth. Please tell the truth. I mean. Look at Roger Stone's just just tell the truth and this this thing it's as I see it attorney. General Bar and a lot of people are trying trying to make this a political thing. They're trying to make it. Democrats against Republicans now is not the time folks to be a good Democrat. Now is not the time to be a good Republican attorney. General Bar now is the time to be a constitutionalist. That is the document that makes America what it is today. It's time to be a constitutionalist list. Well folks a lot of people have asked me. I want to hear about the Weird Weird News. Why you've come to the right place folks here if you've come to the right place if he went here about weird news I mean we're talking about it We just heard about about it. Seems like everything we talk about with Donald Trump. And what's happening with the government right now is weird news so as you know And I've talked about this on several podcasts. Going back in time You know that through all those podcasts that I basically went to a Christian Christian School for twelve years good school down in Florida good people who taught me religious tolerance and in many good things basically Elliott was non denominational. But if I had to say it was kind of Billy Graham style. I duNNo. I'd like you. Yeah I'd like Billy Graham. I'm not a big fan of Franklin Graham. I believe he's become a little bit too political but billy Graham was a good man back in the day. And that's the way I I was raised and what I basically learned through that a timer. What I've heard and read in the Bible never prepared me from the battle for the Babbel that's coming? From trump's religious religious adviser is our Paula. White I just can't believe it. And according to The Washington Post here folks. Trump's associates and family members confirmed that Pastor Paula in Donald Donald Trump sheriff close relationship evidently about twenty years ago. Donald Trump called her out of the blue to tell her that he saw her sermons. I guess while he was down in mar-a-lago on TV allegedly telling Pastor Paula that she had the it factor Pastor Paula White. Obviously I don't know if you know this by the way She also purchased a Condo in one of trump's buildings. She gave the prayer at trump's inauguration and she also leads the White House Evangelical Advisory Council and she preaches. She's this sort of thing that you give to get. It's it's her version. She calls it Prosperity Gospel. You give to get and she aggressively encourages her flock to donate in this case she was talking about the first month's wages and twenty the eighteen were more manageable amount. Whatever that might be? I don't know what that means. But she was encouraging her flock to donate their first month. Salary of two thousand eighteen to Paula white ministries. She said they would reap God's rewards if they did and consequences if they didn't and she's purportedly worth about five million dollars from what I understand by the way well on November eighth pastor. Paula joined the White House staff to lead the faith in Opportunity Initiative a division of the Office of public liaison off her role. There in this function is going to be to solicit input from religious groups on White House initiative supposedly and the whole problem that I have with pastor. White seems to be that she setting herself up. As the conduit to guide give Paula White ministries or deal with the consequences from God awed by that. It's not the way it works. She refers to her relationship with trump as an assignment from God seemed. See what I mean. The Conduit Paula White. Are you the conduit from which all good things flow from God or you the conduit do it. She's positioning herself as the official conduit to God I can tell you that. And that's not. That's not what was in the Bible folks. You don't need a conduit like Paul Holloway to lobby on your behalf with guide. And I'd just like to say where in the Sam Hill or all the evangelical on this because I know it's not what they believe either so you don't have to be you can be any religion. You can be agnostic and you can look at this and say that's not quite right. I know what's right and I know what's wrong in I can look at this and say that's not quite right. And here's another example of how she sets herself up as a godly couldn't conduit basically she says and quarter here wherever wherever I go God rules when I walk on the White House grounds. God walks on the White House grounds. I I have every right and authority to declare the White House holy grounds because I was standing there in where I stand is wholly. Okay hold what you have every right and authority. That's the problem I have with this in a thirty. By whom God again. You're the conduit no like I said I know right from wrong and I know that's not it's not right. It's it's just weird. It's a weird weird. It's a weird environment that we're in right now. You know not that it. I have a problem with anyone who's not You know the same religion that I grew up with. I don't I'm tolerant but when I you see something that's not right. I'm going to say it's not right but that's what you want is your folks. That's that's weird news for you. How about that and Till next time folks I wanNA thank you for the listen again. I'm frank ever sold in. This is the rest of culture where we talk about everything. That's rusted in our culture today. And I WANNA thank you for joining me and I'll look for you next time till then

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Hard Factor 11/26: Tijuana Border Problems, Russia Takes Ukrainian Ships, and Widespread Protests in France

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Hard Factor 11/26: Tijuana Border Problems, Russia Takes Ukrainian Ships, and Widespread Protests in France

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Website for full details. This would cost hundreds if you went to the doctor or pharmacy, go to four hymns dot com slash factor. That's F O R H, I dot com slash factor. Four hymns dot com slash factor. This is Joe man. Randy savage. This is bird factor in the ruse. No one those are better. What he does it better. School told me something. Moderate. Welcome to another episode of heart back there. It is Monday November twenty sixth our top stories for the day west is going to take one about Tijuana, Mexico becoming the boiling point for the migrant caravan. Yeah. Do not go to Tijuana. Do not go to Tijuana. Yes. That is sound advice. Pats going to take one about a Ukrainian ships that were attacked and commandeered by the Russians. Lot of soldiers drinking vodka tonight on the front lines guys. Marshon do one about widespread and sometimes violent protests that took place in Paris over the weekend. Sucker blew the picture is expense. I'll take some other headlines taken away west all right yesterday. After spending some long hard night's partying slash trying to survive in Tijuana, some migrants about five hundred including men women and children attempted to charge the border at the Sanusi dro- point of entry and gain entry into the United States legally. So they were just doing the Goldberg spear finishing move is a red Rover situation. Classic blitz. So many of these migrants belong to the infamous caravan that everyone is concerned about this caused the largest land port in the western hemisphere to close down for several hours and holy shit. If you were just some like white kids trying to catch donkey show scores from codeine and a whistle shot. You were probably shitting your pants when that happened. You know, I can't I can't go home. Cody. I don't think this is right. Yeah. A lot of a lot of border kids do sneak over the border at night after their parents, go to bed just a party and try to come back. Yeah. Lots of phone calls divulging to their parents. They were not studying. But they were extremely scared in Tijuana with a bunch of angry my thought, you were Brian's house. No, no, I'm trapped in Tijuana. Mom, I've got three migrants in blankets. And my car refusing to leave. It is also reported that the migrants who charged the border were being dispersed with tear gas. So Anderson Cooper is just gonna jerking off to pictures of like mother's sheltering their children from the tear gas, and he's jerking off to it. Because he's he's happy that he loves them. He loves the quote on CNN loves if you turn on CNN, it's it's mother's sheltering their kids from tear-gas, Fox News. It's people trying to break down fences. But the migrants are not exactly peacefully marching to the border. They were attempting to break fences, they were throwing objects and attempting to harm agents of the customs and border control who had been deployed there. So that's certainly aiding to Trump's claims that maybe not all these folks should be let in and some might be a little more violent than others. But you know, some bad apples hurting, the pure efforts of many people just trying to get in and have a better life. Yeah. That's the analogy. That's the analogy. Yes. As of this podcast, no injuries to any of the migrants are being reported. The whole Gasco started as a plan protest, which started. The sports arena slash home base. Where five thousand now migrants are staying in Tijuana while the attempt to enter the US through Silom as the protest grew bigger and closer to the border, of course, tensions flared when they clashed with the Mexican police, and that's when the blitz happened. The they ran around the Mexican blockade and to the borders secretary of homeland security Kirstin Nielsen said, quote, DHS will not tolerate this type of lawlessness and will not hesitate to shut down ports of entry for security and public safety reasons, we will also seek to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. Anyone who destroys federal property. Endanger endangers our frontline operators or violates our nation's sovereignty. Nothing new there from that group shutting down this people setting up inside of a sports arenas. Like, it's a bad start to anything just ask a New Orleans and Houston how that that one? Yeah. Apparently, the that arena is only supposed to house thirty five hundred people. So it's got a little crowded. It's all get drunk and watch them sports. And then when the sports are over. Yeah. Mexican officials are saying the violent offenders are many were arrested in are being processed for deportation to their countries of origin democratic Senator Brian Schatz took to Twitter voices from from his linen. I saying quote tear-gas across the border against unarmed families as a new low, and he's like the reason I'm talking so quietly because my entire family is napping in the mansion after their third helping of thanksgiving dinner. It's it's eighty degrees here and my last name is the past tense of shit. He wanted to remind them of that too. Yeah. So the merit merit. Tijuana has been pissed about the the migrants coming to his his city for for a while. And his already said that no resources from Tijuana will go towards aiding the migrants, and is calling for the Mexican government to step the fuck up and take care of what he's what is what is becoming a humanitarian crisis in his city. He also said we just want to go back to providing Californians with the place to come and get drugs. Whores take whistle shots and watch a donkey fuck a seven seven six. Fix the seven. I guess. So Tijuana's amassing thousands of people waiting on their asylum requests, a process that can sometimes take years and Trump is demanding that Mexico house them during that process on Twitter yesterday. Trump said would be very smart if Mexico would stop the caravans long before they get to our southern border, or if originating countries would not let them form in the first place. So that's possible. Yeah. Sure. This this is just going to keep happening to you that people keep coming to Tijuana Tijuana is is going to get even crazier than than it always has been so don't put to Tijuana. What's a whistle shot? It's actually had one in. You wanna it's where they get some some some chick or or dude put your head back shakes it around pours tequila in your mouth while whistling and then shakes her head around again, basically gives you a headache. That's when they blow whistle blow. Whistle until you take a shot like pit bull style. At the beginning of Modine pit bulls. Also, then you get to watch it don't give focused six I didn't actually catch donkey show was with some girls. So go onto the internet, Amy. Irene stock says babies and kids are getting teargassed. How'd you Christians square with that? On this question yet, and then Raya rake hell Martinez says weren't Joseph Mary NGOs, refugees. So all right. Let's didn't turn out. So great for Jesus. They also got mistreated are the crayons and the Russians are going at and again, boys, Ukraine. They convened an emergency meeting of their so-called war cabinet on Sunday. And it's assumed that Russia had the same meeting, but they just called it a regular cabinet meeting. Yeah. This was after the former member of the Soviet Union accused Russia of having fired on three of its vessels in the Black Sea, injuring at least six sailors, which means they were really hurt because it's not like Ukrainian to complain. That's how you lose testicle. Cranny Ukrainians lose a finger, and it's like it was too cold. I just chopped it off. No big deal just life in the former USSR, man. So the Russia's federal security service also as Putin's wrench or the fuckers of pussy riot confirmed that they had seized three Ukrainian quote warships because they allegedly had trespassed into Russian territorial waters. Weapons were used to quote force. The Ukrainian worships to stop and three Ukrainian servicemembers were treated for minor injuries, aka loss of limbs or genitalia at a minimum. That's from Russia. The Ukrainian navy said to gun boats were struck by Russia or struck and rushing crews boarded and sees them and in a company ING tugboat. It's assume that tugboat was not struck because it was known to have been carrying the. Vodkas apply. No. That's not true. They all they all bought cone every every boat. Why even does Ukraine have an army if they're just gonna they just give up their worships so fucking easily. I mean seems like interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you you don't think they were just intimidated by the lots more Russian ships and just gave up their ships. I'm sure they went to what it is. Bigger ship. But why are they even there then? Because we should take out all forty two point five million of them. Apparently earlier in the day the Russians blocked all traffic under the Crimean bridge in the Kerch strait. And this is the only passage into the as of sea because of what it said was an approach by Ukrainian vessels. So the Russians Ukrainians come in and said, not not the spokesperson for Putin's wrench or the FSP claimed the Ukraine failed to notify Russia that it ships were planning to use the straight to which the Ukrainian said NIA, well, both Ukraine Russia and said that no the Ukrainians denied it Ukrainians are like oh. Oh, we're going down the passes. Right. That we thought was like a neutral. Pass. Student and Russia was like, yeah. Today today, we didn't want to let you pass. Yeah. We're just gonna shoot you and taking ships. You're being super rushing today. West anyway, well, both Ukraine and Russia have the rights to the sea under a two thousand three treaty the Black Sea Russia, however has been slowly making moves to take over both sides of the street and eventually fucking Ukraine saying things like girl, these pants are so itchy. Do you mind? If I take them off I'll be able to relax after their off Russia's just a man's body in your in your mind. Oh, yeah. Isn't it in your? Arouse the man the pieces together, but it says right there in two thousand and three there was a treaty saying that Ukraine Russia both how to access to that straight. So Russia just flexed on them. And they're like not today. Yeah. Yeah. And this this all stems from the twenty fourteen annexation of Crimea by Russia when they took the terrier territory from the Ukraine moved at got Putin, so hard he had to get prescription pants and was quote, a real bummer for the Ukrainians. So things are not not looking good right there right now. But we'll keep you updated on the story. Let's take it to the internet, Chris Daniels. Chris Daniel says none of our business. We have things to deal with on our own continent. I guess continent, and he's referring to the border wall shit. And then eject Vitale says a worship that can be seized is not a warship. Exactly. Nice say, exactly. So I'm with you Egypt. Vitale, Pat, I'm going to give I'm going to give you a few seconds to make one more Russia. Boehner joke before. Talking about Dixon. Russia. I got another tear gas story for you here involving poor people on the receiving end of the tear gas seems to be the trend. Yeah. There was chaos in France on the shop say nailed it. So shop schol shawls Z that's on Saturday as police use tear gas and water cannons to disperse the protesters. The Sean Ilias say is one of the most famous avenues and towards the tractions in the world. It's located in Francis. Capital Peres huge avenue with a bunch of shops, and like French people arches and stuff. Eighteen and such. Picking the streets. Now, the demonstration has been billed as the yellow vest movement. And it was act two of the movement the campaign began a week ago and last Saturday more than two hundred eighty thousand people took part two people were killed and more than six hundred people injured this one this past Saturday was not quite as bad. There was only one hundred thousand people took part sixteen hundred protests across France. And there weren't as many injuries no deaths recorded yet. But in the capital in Paris, eight thousand people were were violently demonstrating their starting fires. There were throwing things with the cops. And just like tack pushing over cars and all sorts of crazy shit forty arrests were made on Saturday nineteen people were injured including four officers. And yeah. Yeah. Then that's that's a lot. That's twice as many people that were at Trump's inauguration. It was it was it was. Why would you push over the cars? That's a big thing for the French to be violent. They haven't been violent a long time. You got to really rile him up. They've been protesting a lot over the last like violent for short. Periods of time. They never see it through French president Macron praised the security forces for their courage and their professionalism. He also added shimmy on those who attacked them. Shame on those who assaulted other citizens and journalists shame on you do not do that the arrest goes. Trump went on Twitter to kick mccrone while he was down. He said, the large violet French protests. Don't take an account how badly the United States has been treated on trade by the EU or the European Union or unfair and reasonable payments for our great military protection. Both these topics must be remedied soon. So he was addressing French president Macron, so my chrome. Hit a bad two weeks this guy. But I think that he probably is not concerned about Trump's Twitter attacks right now, he's probably trying to stay alive in his like whole with like behind somebody walls and barriers hoping that a bunch of yellow vests don't kill him Trump's really crowbar in his way into this thing. Yeah. Why is this protests going on it's because the price of diesel the most commonly used fool in French cars has risen by around. Twenty three percent over the past twelve months to an average of one point five one euros per liter, which is like about six to eight dollars a gallon cheese. It's like triple what what we're paying in the United States, depending on where you're living. But they got those little cars, and they don't have they got short distances so far to go. Yeah. It was actually the trigger. They're not saying, that's the only reason basically what happened is a bunch of these poor people in lower middle class. People are saying the rich are too rich were too poor. We're getting taxed too much richer. Not taking the brunt of the taxation. We are we have to wear these stupid fucking yellow. Vests sounds familiar. Exactly. That's why they're protesting the trigger was the petrol. But basically all they're all wearing the yellow vest as a sign of like fuck, you stop making us where yellow vest because in two thousand eight there was a law kind of like our seatbelt law where you have to have a yellow vest in your car at all times in case you have to pull over and like do service. They are they made you have a life jacket for your car. Exactly that it's a life jacket soft. So so Francis time all-time soft corner. Like all time QB, they're all time soft corner one of the softest laws of all time. Good luck. France. We. We had a similar movement that that worked wonders it was called Occupy Wall street. It really changed the game. It's a lot like Occupy Wall street nip, but they're wearing the yellow vest because they're mad about having to wear the elephants. They they get a large fine if they're caught without him. So to recap this is just a bunch of low middle class lower middle class French people having extremely violent protests sounds kind of like the French revolution or tried to do a nineteen sixty eight at least we got a tale of two cities out of the French revolution. So maybe we'll get a classic novel out of this bullshit and say to the internet where Melissa, hey, bare hill says this is what will be coming to America. If liberal get their way. So if liberal if you win liberal, good point, listen. Look out. This is going to be coming our way, which I don't know me shut says not only the fuel taxes. We are angry for everything we pull our middle class in retirees must pay pay pay and the reaches nothing, not angry face devil fee. Smiley face cry face, all these different faces. Kiss my ass needs some geez. All right. Let's get to some other headlines. We couldn't get to it's come to light that someone bought a trailer from storage wars auction near Dan Dotson that contained a safe within that safe. There happened to be seven point five million in cash of the people who quote lost that cash found out. It had been found and got their lawyers to exchange one point two million in cash for the new owner to return the remaining six point three million in cash to the original owner and something tells me that was an offer that they could not refuse right? They got their lawyers lieutenants to offer to not kill their families. If they pay them some money your kids, right? No, you can keep the seven point five million. If you want you just better start running for the rest of you. Yeah. Yeah. On buses. There's a seventy percent chance he will live on Mars and potentially die on Mars in his lifetime. That's probably just means that there's a seventy percent chance that he will ever make it to Mars because Ilan himself admits that there's a quote good possibility that you die there. Seventy percent is like when I tell someone that if I'm thinking about going somewhere, and I'm like, I'm like seventy percent. That means I'm not going. Yeah. That's not that high number. There's one hundred percent chance. Elon Musk is going to wear as welcome out on earth, though. So. I might want to go Marsh and other space news. There's a possibility that a seven hundred foot wide asteroid could smash down on the earth and twenty twenty three. But don't hold your breath. I'm pretty sure this is just NASA. Trying to stay in the news. Oh, burn on NASA. Sorry nasa. There's competition in town seven hundred feet. It's nothing. Would would crush New York City seven hundred feet wide. It's a an going seven hundred thirty four million miles. I mean, it's not it's not a pet if it doesn't land in the ocean. It's destroying like an entire like state. Yeah. West it'll be fine though. It'll be fine. It'd be this is just this. I'm not worried Pat, this is not going to happen. This is literally just nasty and saying like ou could happen line. All right, one in thirty million chance Egyptians are cracking open sarcophagi like their bud lights on the fourth of July. This time they opened up a three thousand year old woman who was well preserved with several colorful masks in miniature statues inside. Why? Why don't they just keep discovering new like tombs instead of board like the desecrating graves Abrahams? Abrahams over there. It's going to end poorly. Yeah. It's like the start to a horror movie like this. Yeah. Exactly. Like a disease like in in the tomb raider movie. There's gonna be like a disease or something or like, some some bug gets gets up. Exactly. Why don't they desecrated grows? They open them. They're like, it's the exact same thing. Like there was a body in their body and toys, save great jazz five thousand mummies, it's time to give Amazon your age, sex and location. If if you want them to send you a special delivery. That's right. It's cyber Monday. A fake holiday created just a few years ago that will surely fade into oblivion within the next decade cyber Monday as a time for anyone with an online store to sell you their extra inventory at a large discount. So enjoy the deals are love that. I haven't ciphered in such a long might wanna order in send some fire extinguishers the shop. They say that's a good point, Pat. Maybe if they just turned cyber Monday into a day where people try to engage in cybersex that would bring it back bring the holiday back. So what I'm saying man take often lot? Yeah. Cock. Lot the south Sudanese man who got shamed. For buying his bride on Facebook has responded to the world basically saying, hey, this is normal where I live and he's right. It's just weird that Facebook allows you to range human dates with dogs in some countries and forcibly silences political commentators and others. And that's it for heart factor today. Thank you for listening and following us at heart factor. News on Twitter and Instagram. We've got some ideas in the works. I am happy hour broadcasts. Maybe some contests. Amongst the hosts to stay tuned for those and make sure to buy your Elon Musk Mars baby ugly, Christmas sweater. It's amazing. Thank you again for listening. We'll talk to you again tomorrow.

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Day 676: Paul Manafort accused of lying to the FBI

The 11th Hour with Brian Williams

44:30 min | 2 years ago

Day 676: Paul Manafort accused of lying to the FBI

"The breaking news. We're covering tonight brings the Russia investigation. Roaring back into the news. Robert Muller says Paul Manafort lives to the feds and has now voided his plea deal. This means he'll get heavy prison time, we'll talk about the ramifications. Plus after a clash at the border that ended with the US firing tear-gas the president now threatens to shut down the southern border and shut down the US government until he gets the money for his wall. The government report that came out on black Friday and paint bleak picture of our future tonight. The president says he just doesn't believe it. He is in Mississippi tonight because they vote for Senate tomorrow all of it. As the eleventh hour gets underway on this post holiday Monday night. Well, good evening. Once again from our NBC news headquarters here in New York day, six seventy six of the Trump administration. And as we said, we are covering a major development in the Muller investigation. This one's about former Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, his plea agreement with the government has apparently collapsed tonight Muller's prosecutors filed court documents accusing Manafort of lying to the feds repeatedly as they questioned him for the Russia investigation, quote after signing the plea agreement Manafort committed federal crimes by lying to the Federal Bureau of investigation and the special counsel's office on a variety of subject matters, which constitute breaches of the agreement that same document includes a response from manafort's defense team which disagreed with the government's conclusion, and we quote Manafort met with the government on numerous occasions and answered the government's questions Manafort has provided information to the government in an effort to live up to his cooperation obligations. He believes he has. Provided truthful information and does not agree with the government's characterization or that he has breached the agreement both sides have now asked the judge to set a sentencing date Manafort who is now sixty nine years old was convicted in August of financial fraud related to his work as a political consultant just days before his second trial was to start. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy and agreed to cooperate with the feds. Now that the deal has fallen through Manafort could be sentenced to at least a decade in prison, perhaps his last days on the planet. It was widely expected that Muller would make some sort of move right after the thanksgiving holiday that may be what prompted the president to write this earlier today. Quote, when Muller does his final report will he be covering all of his conflicts of interest? In a preamble will he be recommending action on all of the crimes of many kinds from those on the other side, whatever happened to pedestrian and will he be putting in statements from hundreds of people? Closely involved with my campaign who never met Sar spoke to a Russian during this period. So many campaign workers people inside from the beginning asked me why they have not been called. They want to be. There was no collusion and Muller knows it on Sunday Harvard law professor and frequent Trump defender. Alan Dershowitz, said Trump is bracing for what the Muller investigation will conclude and about the political threat could pose to his presidency. Now, I think the report is going to be devastating to the president. And I know that the president teams are ready working on a response to the report, the president will say, look, it's political. There's their countenance our countenance the American public will have to say. During his two rallies in Mississippi tonight. Trump relied on his usual description of the Muller investigation. Do we have a lot of bad people? We have a lot of phony stuff like the Russian witch-hunt garbage. There is also news on another aspect of Muller's inquiry that conspiracy theorist veteran birther and Roger stone associate named Jerome Corsi. Now says he's rejecting a plea deal from the special counsel. Prosecutors have been examining course, he's contacts with stone during the election campaign in sixteen and whether Coursey coordinated with WikiLeaks on the release of the democratic stolen emails Corsi was interviewed today about his decision. He says to turn down this potential deal. For one thing. You've offered I can tell you. It's unacceptable. Very political motivated investigation from bueller, and they're trying to fit facts into their predetermine narrative, these new developments in the case come as the president is now just weeks away from the new political reality of a house of representatives controlled by the Democrats to give you a sense of the scope of their victory. This is something according to NBC news election, data, quote, Democrats won the house with the largest margin of victory in history. For either party, the Democrats produced eight point seven million votes. More than the Republicans not finding comes as the New York Times reports House Democrats are gearing up not just to investigate Trump, but his family members as well. The latest Gallup poll now has the president's approval rating thirty eight percent while sixty six zero percent say they disapprove this. Is the fourth time it's reached that level during Trump's nearly two years in office. President is also facing a crisis on our southern border as you may have seen over the weekend after a weekend of unrest involving migrants and the US border patrol near Tijuana. Then there's today's announcement from General Motors. The automaker says it's closing factories in Ohio, Michigan, Maryland, while cutting thousands of jobs, blue and white collar. This means the probable death of a lot of well-known car brands and thousands of families without a paycheck a month before Christmas earlier today, the president described the conversation he had with GM GM's CEO. General Motors you better get back. Get back get a car that is selling put it back in. So I think you're gonna see something else that for that. But I'm not happy about it. Let's bring in our leadoff panel on a Monday night. Not forgetting our lead story tonight. Former US attorney Joyce vans who spent twenty five years as a federal prosecutor sent the auks ni former federal prosecutor as well. On a veteran of the Justice department who has worked with Robert Muller, and Michael Crowley, White House and national security editor for politico. Good evening and welcome to you. All joyce. I'd like to begin with you as you read this filing. Let's just assume it's all bad for Manafort how good and how bad is it for Muller. Well, it's not the outcome that Miller had hoped for here. What you really wanted out of Manafort was a fully cooperative witness who could walk you through his story and give you details that you can corroborate. I think it's unlikely that Manafort was in ever intended to be a trial witness, but he could have been a storehouse of knowledge had he chosen to cooperate. So that's you know, that's not the outcome that they would have hoped for on the other hand molar has spent the last eighteen months or so doing nothing, but amassing evidence he has Rick gates who apparently has been cooperative. He has a lot of other sources of information including Bank and phone records. I don't think man of our that Muller walks away from the falling apart of the Manafort deal damaged in any way, Cynthia Weil as Joyce points out. I don't think Paul Manafort was going to take the stand at anytime. You do lose the ability correct of being able to cite him in any charging documents. He goes. From being a big name in your marquee of witnesses to suddenly being discredited, isn't that? Right. Well. A man convicted of twenty felonies is is pretty discredited. Anyway. So I would agree with Joyce. It not only was he not going to be a witness. He probably wouldn't have been the marquee and the indictment either or but he has been providing information he has been hours and hours. So my guess would be that Muller did get some good information from him that he can build on even though he can't use him as a witness and his essentially closing down his cooperation completely and Cynthia. There's also this way of looking at it Muller knows more than enough about the case one would presume that he knew that Manafort was lying about the case. Correct. Exactly. The one thing we know about Muller is he follows the general rule for prosecutors. And we like to ask questions that we know the answers to and he's obviously been doing that with Manafort, and he's caught Manafort and ally at the same time the same thing happened with Coursey, which is another sort of. Dual track part of the investigation. He asked or Coursey questions that he knows the answer to. And of course, he lied to him and he confronted Corsi with it. So I'm not surprised that that's the way he's doing it. We're gonna learn a lot more in the coming weeks and months about all the things he does know. And I for one I'm looking forward now to the soon to becoming Coursey indictment, which if if Muller sticks to the way, he's been doing it will be speaking indictment or an indictment that really tells a story and explains to us all about what was going on with Coursey and WikiLeaks and Julian Assange and more on that after this. Hey, Michael, you know, the Donald Trump system of communicating especially where former aides are concerned, there's the initial distancing Paul Manafort was with us for a very short period of time, then came the guilty verdict in Manafort, and we got this from Donald Trump about Paul Manafort. I feel very badly for Paul Manafort and his wonderful family. Justice in quotes took a twelve year old tax case among other things applied tremendous pressure on him. And unlike Michael Cohen, he refused to break makeup stories in order to get a deal such respect for a brave, man. So Michael while this was hardly the Hanoi Hilton. The president is clearly trying to be sympathetic figure here. What do you magin might be going on? Well, we do have to wonder whether the president is trying to signal, and we there's reporting to suggest that there have been more direct contacts between manafort's camp and the president's camp about the possibility of a presidential pardon. So it's still conceivable that Manafort is maybe was willing to cooperate in certain ways and started getting questions from Muller that he that we're going places where he wasn't prepared to sell out potentially the president or potentially other people. But if it was indeed the president, for example, he may have thought he would take the risk of giving untruthful answers and hope that a pardon might still be forthcoming from the president. Of course, a pardon can't undo everything that's happened to Manafort, so far he's had a property and assets seized by the government that he can't get back. He would also be vulnerable potentially to state charges. Even if a pardon were to clear him federal charges, and then Brian I think. It's probably a bit of an outlier scenario. And it's highly speculative, but you had to think about some of the nasty characters that Manafort came into contact with when he was working in Ukraine and some of his business deals, including the. The industrialist oligarchy all der pasta who has allegations of seriously frightening behavior in his early career in post Soviet Russia. Manafort knows ally about der pasta appears to have been communicating or at least attempting to communicate with him through an intermediary during the campaign is it possible that he got some questions about dare pasta that he just didn't feel like he was paired to answer because it could be dangerous. That's highly speculative. But I think we have to consider that possibility. Also and Joyce that reporting Michael's referring to it was the New York Times report back at the time saying Dowd, the one time attorney for the president had at least dangled the notion of a pardon. And that is a weighty thing to drop in the middle of a conversation. So the question do you Joyce as David Gergen speculated tonight? This is someone who is trying to hide something very big or protect someone very big. Do you concur with that? Because clearly. He's not enjoying life in prison. He came into court last time in a wheelchair. I think that that's exactly right. The question that we don't know the answer to that. Perhaps Muller will give us some hint about when he files his his more deliberate pleading in this matter is what is it that Manafort sitting on what did he either do or what does he know about that so sensitive that he's willing to go to jail for what for him will be virtual life sentence in prison rather than coming clean with Muller wants a specs. That's a weighty secret. We don't know if it comes in tandem with this week's other events with the course, the allegation that he had a plea arrangement with Muller that has now fallen apart whether it somehow related to the president turning in his answers to the written tests that he took for Bob Muller. We don't know if that's all related, or if is the special counsel says isn't it's filing Manafort, simply was not truthful on a variety of topics and at some point the special prosecutor became fed up with that. And. Sided the pull the plug on the plea deal Cynthia you hear what your co counsel. Joyce just slipped in there doesn't have anything to do with Donald Trump submitting his written answers. So that happens in a few days later, we get this. Do you think the two are at all related? I don't know. I mean, I think you can make an I mean, there's obviously a sexy argument that it was Oleg der pasta or the pardon which obviously makes a lot of sense that he's been dangling the pardon. He's been doing it not just through lawyers. But he does it with tweets right in front of us. But also, there's a mindset about a guy like this. He's basically Griff ter-, you know, he thinks he's Kaiser Socia and he's been stealing and cheating and lying for so long that he just can't give it up. And there's something about the type of person like this that it's possible. It's as simple as that and not necessarily. A big something bigger and darker or a pardon or the fear of the Russians. It's possible. Joyce quick legal question. Will we ever know the truth? Here will have come out in subsequent documents. I think that there's a good chance that it will Manafort says in the pleading that he intends to contest the decision by special counsel that he is breached the plea agreement. He is more than likely entitled to get a hearing on that matter. So it may well be that. We'll see information in written pleadings. It may be that. We'll hear more about it in court one possibility that occurs to me is that the special counsel doesn't have to list every way that Manafort breached the plea agreement they could just pick a couple of choices. Maybe the least sexy. The least interesting ones, but sufficient to show breach of the plea agreement that would allow them to avoid revealing Tim much of their hand publicly. But we do know that Muller when he speaks often likes to use what prosecutors call a speaking indictment, a document, that's very much storytelling and narrative and much of what we know about the investigation, we know from his pleadings that may. Will be the case here as well. Okay. Michael. And all along the president is under water was six out of ten Americans. Fully sixty percent disapprove of the job. He's doing you, folks. Politico are reporting a bare bones White House counsel's office that doesn't seem to have a wartime footing or a wartime console Yeary that would be bad timing for this west wing, Michael. Yeah. You know that Blue Wave crashed into the at least the house side of the midterm elections. And is now going to crash again into President Trump's White House early next year. The Democrats are going to have to take some time staffing up and getting their investigations running. But they are going to come down on this White House to use another metaphor like a ton of bricks, and it just doesn't seem that the White House is prepared for it. You need an enormous number of talented, highly competent, lawyers to respond to the kinds of document requests in subpoenas demands. Her testimony at the White House is going to get on a huge number of different potential issues. So not only do you have to deal with the actual request. But you have to be ready for the potential ones. You had to be ready for the investigation. So you think you're coming? Our reporting shows of the White House counsel's office is maybe a little bit over fifty percent of its capacity. Where they would like it to be still not a fully installed White House counsel to replace Don Mcgann. And you just have to wonder if they really know what's gonna hit them. And if they're prepared for it. And what is the result of that? You could have witnesses who give bad testimony that get them into legal trouble. You could have huge embarrassments for the White House. You could have process scandals where it looks like you're covering something up. But actually, you're just incompetent or ill prepared. It's just not where White House like this wants to be particularly last word on this. When they clearly knew this was coming. I mean, it was always possible to the Democrats weren't going to take the house, but any wise betting person would have prepared for it. And they have just been very slow to get their ducks in a row, it's gonna be potentially ugly to watch. Well, here we are this first Monday back from the holiday break, we were till still talking about football in our news room until the Muller folks handed us, this breaking news story can't imagine. A better starting panel to help us start things off tonight Joyce fan, Cynthia auctioning, Michael Crowley, our thanks for being part of our conversation tonight and coming up our country has now. Fired tear-gas upon migrants rushing doors southern border and now threats from the president to shut the border entirely perhaps shut down the government entirely to get funding for his so far mythical wall and later the devastating government report warning hundreds of billions of dollars more will be lost because of climate change. The president says he doesn't believe it. The eleventh hour just getting started on this post holiday Monday night. We will not tolerate any form of assault or attack upon our border agents like happened yesterday or any attempt to destroy federal property overrun federal authorities or bring chaos and violence to American soil. President Trump weighed in tonight, can you tell he was reading that part off a teleprompter at a rally in Mississippi on what's been a tense forty eight hours along our southern border with Tijuana Mexico on Sunday American authorities used tear gas on hundreds of migrants who tried to enter the US illegally the US government. Also shut down the Sanusi dro- port for entry for several hours customs and border patrol said tear gas was used after several migrants. Threw rocks at border agents. NBC news reports the tear gas was fired mostly at adult men. But some of it hit women and children as this already famous photo shows, including Maria Meza, who is the woman. Seen in this photograph. She spoke to our own Gabe Gutierrez earlier today. When I see that photo. I just want to cry. She says claiming that she wasn't crossing the border illegally trying to reach it to apply for asylum. We have to show you before departing for Mississippi. The president defended the authorities actions at the border. You know, they're not they had to use because there were being rushed by very tough maple, and they use tear gas and is the bottom line. Nobody's coming into our country unless they come in legally, President Trump also threatened to close the border permanently today saying, quote, Mexico should move the flag-waving migrants. Many of whom are stone cold criminals back to their countries. Do it by playing by bus. Do it any way you want? But they are not coming into the USA. We will close the border permanently. If need be congress fund the wall. Well lot to talk about with us to do. So Alan Gomez immigration reporter for USA today, and Jonathan Lemere White House reporter for the Associated Press Allen, I want to show you one more thing about the tactics used at the border before you, and I discussed how usual or unusual. This is here's the president again. Feel what you saw the images of the women and children running from the tear-gas ULA. Do say why are they there have to start off? First of all the tier guests is a very minor form of the teargas itself. It's very safe the ones that were suffering certain extent with the people that were putting it out there. But it's very safe. But you really say why is the parent running up into an area where they know the tear is forming, and it's going to be formed, and they running up with the child, and in some cases, you know, they're not the parents. These are people that go grabbers they grab a child because they think they're going to have a certain. They can have a certain status by having a child, you know, you have certain advantages in terms of crazy laws that frankly, congress should be changing if you change the laws, you wouldn't be having this problem. So as we note, the body language, we also note the verbiage lot to react to their Allen. Let's start with how far from normal is this. Yeah. I mean, like you're saying there's several parts of that that I'd like to break down. But. The idea of teargassing and deploying tear gas and these kind of situations it's not unheard of. It's happened at the border before. But not when there's these concentrations of of women and children trying to reach the border is reference to grabbers people grabbing children coming across the into the United States. There have been isolated cases of that in the past, but predominantly as the family separation saga from this summer as data that we've gotten from that has shown the vast majority are parents who are coming in here with their children, and why they're coming as I think just one of the most important parts is that conditions in Salvador Honduras, and Guatemala where the majority of these people are coming from are that bad. And these folks know what a dangerous journey it is. And what they're trying to do is what President Trump has urged them to do and present themselves at a port of entry requests asylum. But that's obviously very difficult right now because they cannot process more than one hundred people a day. Even though there's these thousands of people in Tijuana trying to get in so Jonathan Lemere we have sixty forty president thereabouts right now at sixty percent disapprove how much and what of this plays to his base wheelhouse. A lot of it. He at least in his estimates. And this is something he tipped his hand. He was going to do for a while. He of course, made the caravan the centerpiece of this twenty eighteen midterm election. But he and the people closest advisors believe that this is what put him across the finish line in two thousand sixteen the hardline immigration rhetoric that these the draconian policies that he putting out there is what got him elected, and that that's what his base really response to it. What we're seeing right now is a very early step towards his reelection campaign the images here the tear gas the migrants trying to make a run for the border yesterday for that entry Mondays well have been Donald Trump for reelection campaign ad at least in his estimating. That's what he wants. We've seen him. This is not a crisis necessarily that he created. But he certainly has heightened it with his rhetoric. Over the last weeks and months, and he what we can only call mongering. And now he is such tension on both sides of this issue. And he's put the Mexican government mind you in a real bind as well that this is exactly what he wants in many ways is to have this sort of crisis here where he can look tough he can respond. We're going to secure the border. He didn't back down, even with USA tear gas. You heard him say a mild form of younger gas good kind the good here gas, and that he feels like this is something that looking tough here is going to get his base to respond and there he feels they're supporting these efforts so Alan hardly morning in America. But if we take what Jonathan said as kind of political fact, we then learned today that Mike Pence and Yvonne CASA are going to represent the United States at the Mexican presidential inauguration aside from giving us an arresting visual of these traveling partners. How's that gonna look on behalf of the? United states. Shows that this relationship with Mexico is going to be continue to be a turbulent one December first is when the new president on that Edmund weather Lopez overload. Assumes office down there in Mexico, and it's already been interesting back and forth between the two Lopez. What would I load he won office in part by being the anti-trump candidate? He said that Mexico would no longer do the quote, dirty work rounding up migrants on behalf of the United States after he won things got a little bit better. They talked on the phone. The President Trump called him a terrific guy. Lopez had nice things to say about Trump as well. But just in the last few days, we saw what sounds like the president of Mexico, the incoming president of Mexico starting to fight back. The US and Mexico have been working on some kind of agreement to try to formalize the process in which these migrants would be able to stay in Mexico, while their asylum cases were being adjudicated here in the United States, but then that quickly fell apart. And I think that's a clear indication that they're starting to that those ten those fault lines are starting to be established. And yes, the fact that the president of the United States is not going down to the Mexican president's inauguration is pretty stunning. And I think shows that this could be a very very difficult relationship between the two Jonathan Lemaire and the seconds. We have remaining let's say you are a federal wildland firefighter in northern California. You're hearing the president cavalierly talk about shutting down the federal government. Is this another one of these issues go straight to the base doesn't cut so well with others? I was with the president when he went to California two weekends ago to inspect the damage out there just purely devastating and he seemed moved by it talking to the people who lost their homes lost family and loved ones. But yes, of course. This is another moment where shutting down the government may be a good political play in the president's mind, you know, to get this border wall. Which of course, it says number one campaign issue and has yet to materialize, but you, but it has other effects, and certainly they're still trying to manage the northern California fired now is large is under control. But there's still a huge rebuilding effort to come. And it is hard to argue that this would be seen as a positive move beyond that narrow base that the president still seems so overly focused on those the Fox News watching Trump supporters who were there for him every day at his rallies. But perhaps would not be enough to guarantee him a second term, but we have seen him time and time again, not try to broaden his base. He only seems to focus on those core supporters. It's also remember the funding for the wall was supposed to come from Mexico. Alain Gomez Jonathan Lemere, gentlemen. Thank you so much for joining us once again on our broadcast and coming up, it just might be the hottest place in the world right now in terms of tensions. We'll have the latest on the. Back and forth between Russia and Ukraine after Russia seized Ukrainian ships this weekend. A former US ambassador to Russia. We'll be here with us when we continue. Fresh escalation today in this conflict between Russia and Ukraine. It needs watching closely Ukraine's parliament voted to declare martial law after Russia tax several of its ships over the weekend on Sunday, Russia opened fire and sees three Ukrainian vessels in the Kerch strait claiming they had trespassed into Russian waters. The as off see is technically shared by Ukraine and Russia as part of the oath three agreement but Russia took control of the straight after it annex Crimea in twenty fourteen just declared it Russian waters. Six Ukrainian sailors were also injured after a Russian ship, rammed three Ukrainian vessels. This video was released by Ukrainian authorities was believed to have been shot on board one of the Russian vessels involved. This incident prompted the UN to call an emergency meeting of the Security Council where the US ambassador, Nikki Haley issued her rebuke. What we witnessed this weekend? Is yet another reckless Russian escalation the United States. Would welcome a normal relationship with Russia. But outlaw action like this one continue to make that impossible. President Trump is scheduled to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin later this week at the g twenty summit in Argentina. This was his reaction today. We do not like what's happening either way. We don't like what's happening at hopefully, it'll get straightened out. I know Europe is not not thrilled their work. You do. We're all work together with us to talk about this tonight. Embassador Alexander Vershbow, former ambassador to Russia and the Bush forty three administration a thirty year veteran member of the foreign service a career diplomat having served every president from Reagan to Obama, Mr. mbassador is this the culmination of the Putin strategy weaken NATO weaken, the big allies, maybe even tinker with Brexit, tinker with an American election process, and because this is serving up a huge. Test for our country among others is it not. It is a big big test for our country. And I think it is part of a pattern of activities that we've seen over the last few years where Putin is trying to undermine the west undermine our democratic institutions divide the European Union divide NATO, and of course, at the same time. He's trying to weaken his neighbors because Russia doesn't try to win friends and influence people at tries to dominate it. Tries to dictate and I think we're seeing an example of that in the seizure of these ships over the weekend. It's a clear escalation, this is the first time they've used their actual troops not pretending that these are mysterious little green men and the question is what's he going to do next. Yeah. A lot of the foreign sources of journalism that I usually follow are really painting this as a hair trigger moment. How how serious is this right now in your view? I think it's very serious because if the west just condemns this rhetorically or gives a little slap on the wrist. Putin may go even further he may declare the whole as of c to be Russian territory in at tear up this two thousand three agreement. This would impose tremendous economic costs on Ukraine because these are this is the place where there's a couple of important ports that ship steel and grain to the international markets. They've already lost twenty to forty million dollars through Russian harassment and interference with shipping, even before these events, and it could point to some other ways to destabilize Ukraine, which has elections next year and Russians Russia's trying to manipulate those elections in the hope of getting more malleable leaders that it can deal with ready to accept subjugation to Russia more readily than the than the current leadership. Of course, we've never ever seen an American president act this way around a Russian president. Statecraft in normal times would call for Trump to cancel his meeting with Putin in Argentina coming up later this week. What's your call on what you think will happen? Well, he could cancel the meeting. I don't think he's going to do that. I think it would be better if he were to take some strong measures to raise the cost for the Russians of this kind of aggressive action and go into the meeting with a display of strength. Unfortunately, tends to go into these meetings. With friendly words, blaming Obama for everything rather than condemning the Russians for their serious violations of international law. The Russians have been trying to basically destroy the whole rules based system that we've built up since the end of World War Two, and the president seems happy to blame both sides rather than point the finger at his friend, Putin we greatly. Appreciate the opportunity to talk to you about this tonight ambassador Alexander Vershbow. Thank you so much for coming on our broadcast and coming up for us. The report on our future from the president's own government that the president himself has chosen not to believe when we come back. It was issued on the Friday after thanksgiving. And if you're the Trump administration that would be about the perfect time to release a report, you don't believe in. It's a new an exhaustive government report on climate change that paints a grim picture for our country's environmental. And for that matter economic future. This is the product of years of work. It involves thirteen separate federal agencies. The thousand page study systematically outlines the growing health concerns crippling infrastructure damage severe economic impact of our changing climate since two thousand fifteen alone. It says damaging whether has cost the US nearly four hundred billion with a B dollars. And if left unchecked climate change is forecast to cost hundreds of billions of dollars more in annual losses by the year twenty one hundred that's equal to about ten percent of the country's GDP. President Trump was asked about this environmental report and its warnings. On the south lawn. Earlier today. I've seen it. I've read some of it. And it's fine. Yeah. I don't believe it. With us. Now. Former Republican congressman Bob Inglis, South Carolina after spending about a dozen years in congress. He is now known as the founder of Republic n a group devoted to changing the Republican party's stance on climate change in two thousand fifteen the congressman became a recipient of the John F Kennedy profile in courage award for his environmental, advocacy work. Congressman thank you for coming on. What do you make of the report and the president's response to it? Just there. To the president's response. You know, you can believe what you want. But if you step off the roof your house, you're going down because it gravity and climate change is real whether you believe it or not. And so it's not a matter of believe, it's a matter of just paying attention to what's in that report. Which is it these very fine. Scientists devoting their lives really to this not trying to deceive anyone in fact, trying to find the truth here. And they're telling us that they're serious consequences. We're experiencing now and more to come later. I heard a political type explain this tonight by saying it's just part of his economic nationalism. He wants to bring back coal mines and iron works. And of course, he can't believe in a report like this in your view. How should Republicans talk about climate change? I think we should talk about in terms of free enterprise solutions. That's the challenge so far Brian is the combat conversations largely been conducting the language at left if we could change that into free enterprise discussion about just how do you fix this? If you want to use the power for enterprise in the place, we'd probably go is to people like Milton Friedman who told us not to regulate pollution, but to tax it instead into fix economics. That's the strong suit of the free enterprise party, which should be my party, the Republican party. And so there plenty of solutions there if we fix the economics. One of the problems with this issue is that so many people goodhearted people who wanna do. Right. See this as so monolithic so beyond their ability to change it or slow at down. Now, they can't believe they're coming for their drinking straws, they think they are blameless in all of this. Can you tell them that four years of lost effort is or is not going to impact our overall climate change cost to both economic and humans because clearly for four years we're just going to suspend any efforts in that area. Yeah. Of course. No. I can't tell them that. Because it is true. The four year hiatus is a problem we need to be acting. We need to be acting quickly on this. And if we do so it's not just danger that tremendous dangerous, of course, climate change. But they're also amazing opportunities to create the fuel of the future to create the materials the future. And so presented that way. Perhaps we could get more conservatives on board. That's what we do at Republic dot org. We try to speak to fellow conservatives about the opportunities about the power free enterprise to fix these things. But it does start with realizing that facts are stubborn things, you know. And and you may not believe it, but calama- changes coming your way, and we're experiencing it. Now. I stand corrected on my pronunciation of former congressman Bob English is the founder of Republic, Ian dot com. I get it. Thank you. So very much for coming back on the broadcast will invite you again. Same topic coming up call it the mid term leftover the Senate race that brought Trump to Mississippi tonight when we come back. Thank you Senator. It's an issue. Don't speak about the issue. There's a lot of people that we've talked to across the state that are concerned about your remarks, and what you were apologizing for Senator white not speak to this issue. Your comments offended a great number of people sending. No, you haven't. I'm wondering, though, what what what is you? They were. As it. They were apologizing for how. Brookhaven means Senator you student cited devas in Davidson's Davis outs. And you said that this is Mississippi history at its best Senator what did you mean by that sanding inside of Jefferson Davis house in saying that Mississippi Senator this is your electorate is head of the raise. Right. But Senator you're running to beat the US Senator of the United States Senator Senator you're running to be the US Senator why not talk about race. Could she name a couple of places where she'd rather be right in that moment and not one but two locked car doors, Republican Mississippi Senate candidate, Cindy, Hyde Smith had very little to say to our own and very persistent. Von Hilliard on Sunday as she tried as he tried to ask her about those race related issues. Just hours from now voters in Mississippi will head to the polls to decide this runoff election. Senator Heintz myth running against democrat, Mike Espy, and the Democrats are hoping for an election day upset they're hoping to turn a deep red state in the deep south just blew enough in this instance, this instance, to win especially after Hyde Smith has faced a number of controversies in recent weeks, our White House correspondent Kristen Welker has our election eve report on where this race stands. Tonight. President Trump in Mississippi making his final pitch for embattled Republican Senator Cindy height Snaith tomorrow. If you don't mind make it not even close to and this morning a disturbing reminder. This race has become all about race to newses found at the state capitol heights. Smith came under fire for saying she'd welcome sitting in the front row of a public hanging comments her campaign dismissed as a joke anytime, I've said anything to somebody got to apologize. She felt very badly. She certainly didn't made that and tonight a new controversy. The Jackson free press reporting Hyde Smith attended an all white segregated high school and sent her daughter to a similar school her challenger democrat. Mike Espy, a former congressman and cabinet member is looking to become the first African American Senator from the state in more than a century that I'm the candidate to take Mississippi fallen to win Espy needs African Americans to turn out in force. Mississippis one of the red estates in the country. The president has a sixty percent job approval rating. So his formulas very simple getting his people out to the polls to help the Republicans win if Hyde Smith wins Republicans would tighten their grip on the Senate, Kristen Welker NBC news, Washington. Live coverage of the returns here on this broadcast tomorrow night coming up for us tonight. The news amazing enough to qualify as out of this world. Last thing before we go tonight, you can be an aficionado of spaceflight all your life. Trust me. 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Tuesday 27 November

"You're listening to the globalist. First broadcast on the twenty seventh of November two thousand eighteen on monocle twenty four the globalist in association with UBS. Hello. This is the globalist coming to you live from the Dory. House in London. I'm Georgina Godwin on the show ahead. Impeding Ukraine's lawful transit through the Kerch. Strait is a violation under international law. It is an arrogant act that the international community must condemn and will never accept an international outcry off to Russia's seizes Ukrainian vessels. He has introduced martial lure in some parts of the country will NATO get involved, then as cools grow first second referendum on Brexit. We ask how would it work? And what might the question be? We'll also examine new legislation in France designed to temper the journey protests. Ask of gene editing might change the evolution of the human race. And have a look at the business news on the papers to that's all ahead right here on the globalist live in London. Ukraine's government has declared martial law in ten regions of the country. This follows an incident which saw Russia's sees three. Ukrainian naval ships off the coast of Russia annexed Crimea, a number of sailors were wounded after they were fired upon yesterday. The United Nations Security council called an emergency meeting as international powers urge restraint from both parties in this dangerous escalating conflict, James Rogers is head of journalism. Studies at City University of London he used to be the BBC's Moscow. Correspondent we're also joined by pool Rogers who's a professor of peace. Studies at Bradford university James if we could start with you and just locate this conflict, geographically and historically. While historic. It's one of those ones depends how far back you want to go. The two key dates, however wants to which people regularly refer our nineteen fifty four when Ukraine or when Crimea, which should always been considered part of the Russian parts of what was then the Soviet Union was former transferred to Ukraine that didn't have so much significance when both of those constituent parts of the Soviet Union. But the second important date is nine hundred ninety one when the Soviet Union broke up Crimea remained part of Ukraine. Something was Russia had always coveted and Mr Putin, of course, then under his presidency. Russia annexed Ukraine in two thousand fourteen something which went down extremely well domestically politically at home and something which of course, a move which is brought Russia international condemnation sanctions in which is led us to the standoff where we find ourselves today. And do you graphically? Of course, we're talking about a stretch of water that the the the that you. Crane uses all of the time. That's right. It's Ukraine's them access from the us off see the Black Sea and from there into two to wide maritime navigation Russia when it's a neck a next Crimea. As always made it clear, and it's now controlling that straight which which goes between the rest of Russia, proper, and what it considers Russian part Russian and Ukraine. So it's a case straight, and I suppose in that sense. No surprise, and it's proves to be a flashpoint so pool. What happened on Sunday is their clarity. There is not territory depends entirely on who you believe the Russians claim that this very small for tiller tug and basically to patrol boats tried to go through the street without Russian approved and the Russians are demanding sorta pre-knowledge a trend. It's on the crane side. They say that the the the ships were waiting for provable and were attacked on lawfully by the Russians. It is complicated by the narrow nature the str-. Has change of saying in the history is very important here. Also, it's worth remembering the rusher. Great expenses, actually, built a huge bridge across the street. The other issue is that the the industrial city Mariupol in eastern Ukraine is actually very important economically. And the only see access to that is a cost through the strait. The added problem was we simply don't know whether either side deliberately provoked this or whether it is what we call in these circumstances. One of these aimed things an accident incidental maverick. It's also clear. The Tim facts are Putin has lost some popularity at home and two crisis in Ukraine in Crimea helps him and is also true that president partial co in Ukraine is facing probably quite deeply contested presenting election in March, and it's new Banfi thing for him to have this oughta crisis, and this is why it's so dangerous each side in a way has to can take advantages from this. But has James said, this isn't a very very. Donges very dangerous part of the world. Well, let's look at the fallout from it any James did all the Ukrainian lawmakers agree to martial law person has initial plan had to be tempered somewhat what it did. But I mean, it's still tossed comfortably through the cranium parliaments Paul his rights through attention to the domestic political situations on both sides. It's interesting. I was looking again, it's a paper, which is published in foreign affairs and published by the Carnegie think tank in Moscow during the summer, and they're referring exactly to President Putin's declining popularity and it's interesting the author of that paper's under the headline how how the Kremlin could respond says the Kremlin would like to try to create some sort of spectacle to distract attention from Russia's many social problems that may possibly be what we're seeing in place here. It is interesting to note as Paul says again, there's no clear version uncontested version of events. Let's also clearly both sides and up Laming the other. For for deliberate preplanned act, one notes Moscow's Russian television was saying that the Senate last night at the incident was deliberately staged by Ukraine and the times newspaper here in London this morning describing this confrontation as a deliberate provocation by Moscow, and so there's on both sides, stay international reaction, which we're going to have to observe his as it unfolds. But also, they're all great this great deal at stake domestically in both Russia and Ukraine. I mean, Paul I wonder what it means for democracy within Ukraine that the the imposing of martial albeit in restricted areas and only for thirty days is it a rollback of some of the rights one during the my done revolution. It's possible. But I think it's too early to say if this crisis was to escalate, and if there was to be Feser extension of martial law, both in terms of regions of Ukraine and length then that becomes really worrying, and there was some talk. I think really not. Not really very firm. The Persian can might look to actually postpone the election is facing major problems at home. But I think for the moment we had to sort of be cautious on that one. But there all the other ideas issues have been many claims that the Russians have been treating dissent within Crimea with filming almost something approaching considerable falls. This bitter struggle, which we didn't really observe much on the outside between the Ukraine orthodox church, and the Russian Orthodox church, and that is very very bitter on both sides, the final thing just tried to what James is saying. I think one has to understand that Putin on the one hand wants to maintain his popularity partly by showing Russia's prowess in Ukraine, and of course, in Syria, but he does not on the other hand to want to do this at any great cost the Russian economy. Probably couldn't stand it. One of the reasons for his decline in popularity is the is the skiffs skill with which the tax raise in Russia are raising all the taxes. They can is known domestically in Russia. The crimea. Tax. So the e these issues, hey, which complicated buke come down to the central thing. That is this is a dangerous area to be involved in any kind of standoff because things can get out of hand unexpectedly for that reason alone. I think NATO will be Audrey or basically demanding caution at all times as as the U N, Nikki Haley at the top of the program James saying that that really the international community cannot let this happen. What else has the United Nations said on this? Well, the no real surprises. And of course, those countries who have offered long expressed opposition to Russians actions in Ukraine, and it's interesting to note, of course, on this occasion. I think on Roxanne this is the first time for years of conflict Russian has actually admitted to firing a shot against Ukrainian targets because of coast. I've always maintained much disbelief of the west they are not actually involved in eastern Ukraine, although that's not averse events, which is accepted. By any western governments. I think, but I think the international political options now a fairly limited. And I suspect that some most foreign ministers, and indeed defense ministry's what we've all the hoping that this goes away that Russia and Ukraine have made that point and we'll play this out domestically as they see fit, and they will try to avoid an escalation because let's not forget after a Russia is already subject to multiple sanctions, it's caused a serious deterioration in Russia's relations with the west that Ukraine is really know the sticking points along with Syria weather, huge policy differences in very dangerous parts of the world. And the west really has very few limited further responses or indeed the United Nations, I think that will be hoping that this will turn out if not to be an entirely isolated incident. And at least two contained one which comes to verifiable conclusion, Paul you mentioned NATO, and I wonder what they're likely to do about it, given the Ukraine isn't a full member. No, it's not an 'cause one of the historic things here is that the Russians a bitter the win which. The EU and NATO almost empower Lil her salt to have a closer and closer in relation ship. The crane this goes right back to the Cold War era where Russia basically saw the country's even to the west of the area of the Soviet Union as what was called the near abroad nowadays with the with the EU countries extent the extending to eastern Europe, the near abroad is much closer to the near so to speak, which is from the Russian perspective, Ukraine and states like Georgia are so critically important because they see these as almost kind of buffer states NATO costs would like to have a closer relationship with Ukraine. They Mexicans have. Agreed. A further tranche of military aid about one hundred and fifty million pounds two hundred million dollars quite recently back in July. And in a way, I think what Russia's trying to do is to ensure that it controls Crimea long-term permanently basically because of the cultural connections of language connections that principally because. Of the military connections in the military bases in in in Crimea, says no the problem is going to go away easily. But as a NATO actually will be cautious because it does not want this to escalate to a war. Neither should it be sent as Russia. But that doesn't mean that toll could things can't happen. So what what on the table? Then James we looking upset. No sanctions when I think the options really there are limited. Because I think it's it's it's difficult to I say what the west the UN it sets an Russia coast being opponent member of Security Council. It's difficult to know what options I really have left inside say, it seems to me they will be hoping that this is an incident which will play itself out because it's it's difficult to see an of you know, point is absolutely right. No. But it's nobody's interests for this to escalate militarily. But that doesn't of course, main that that won't happen. I think that's what all sides will be trying to avoid it. The moment. Reported this morning that Russia is allowing caucus ships through that straits. Again, it maybe they decided to make that point and leave it to that. But the the Wests further reactions are really rather limited. I think they will be hoping that this incident plays itself out without any further long-term consequences. Do you think that's likely get probably is because neither side has an interest in escalating this further. They've made that point. But as we're not out of the woods on this. And we may find that their Mavericks on either side, maybe particularly crane side who would want to push this further that I think is a thing that will be causing a favor to worry data headquarters, pull Rogers and James Rudge's. Thank you both for joining us here on the globalist. Here's what else we keeping an eye on today. The Italian government is sticking to its main two thousand nineteen budget goals. The now as it awaits a cost analysis of its main spending measures, and he expansionary plans or altered and the two thousand nineteen deficit. Target is lowered Italy faces possible disciplinary action from Brussels. A senior official in the French Senate has been arrested on suspicion of spying for North Korea. Then LA Canetti was arrested over the collection and delivery of inflammation to a foreign power. And he's been questioned by FRANZ is security agency. The DIGI sl and Airbus has delivered its first a three thirty near jet ta p Portugal as it seeks to Trump US rival blowing the facials between the eighth HR thirty near and Boeing seven eight seven two jetliners against each other in one of the most crowded, but potentially lucrative parts of the aircraft market predicted to represent one trillion US dollars in sales over twenty years. This is the globalist. Stay tuned. The European Union and the British Prime Minister Theresa may have agreed withdrawal deal, which will govern the UK's exit from Europe. But now may need to sell it to parliament and the people of Britain before a vote on December the eleventh, and it's by no means a done deal. In fact, it's all still a bit of dogs Brexit. There's a widespread feeling that the agreement may not pass backed up by analysis of the numbers. And then well what then well one growing possibility is another referendum MacOS being championed by the people's vote here to examine us his launch price his political commentator. Lance was tiny blessed director of communications when he was prime minister, Lance firstly. I mean, how likely really is another referendum. Well, it's still I think unlikely, but the likelihood of it is growing if you can have it both ways in that in that respect, and in that that appears to be no majority in the house of Commons full trees may steal. But it's not clear that there is a majority either for another referendum when people have got reservations for different reasons about that. But that could change something big. He's gotta have to shift in parliamentary terms, I didn't political terms in the United Kingdom over the next couple of weeks and shift in the direction all put back to the people is certainly not impossible. If it did go ahead. What would the question be is not a referendum, but a preferential if you like not binary, but MultiChoice well that is the real difficulty with it. I mean, I personally am all in favor of the public being given the chance now they know the facts about what leaving the European Union would be like to either confirm or not. Turn the decision. They made in twenty sixteen but the practicalities of it are incredibly difficult, Wendy, hold a referendum. And as you quite rightly say in your question. How do you put it out to the people because you can't simply have another binary choice between staying in and leave it with some people would like, including my old, boss. Tony Blair as suggested that that will be the best way forward because you're disenfranchising all those people who think that actually we should leave, but we shouldn't leave by crushing out. And and and having all the problems over the no deal Brexit, and if you have three options in a referendum that's almost untested in the past if one option gets thirty six percent navigates thirty two percent in another thirty one percent. For example, is that really a mandate for for for for the winning side. And if a second second referendum went in favor of remain. I wonder if that opens the possibility of endless votes. I mean, it would mean one. In all rain in. Maybe then you go to a tiebreaker. Yes, exactly. I mean, I think what you would have to say and everyone who advocates another vote of people's though is being called. They are saying this is that the result would be accepted. Absolutely. And if it was if it was to kneel, for example, so Britain voted again to leave the European Union. It would undoubtedly be the end of that particular argument. But there is there is no way forward that stops the British people are being subjected to endless debates discussions and uncertainty over the future relationship with the European Union for years and years and years to come because the truth is that the country is divided parliaments divided. All the political parties all all set to the two big political parties are divided. And there is no magic one that will heal this division. I mean, another objection would be that it would just be so hard to organize. It would have to be legislated. In parliament, wouldn't it? Yes. But after that stated in parliament, and that's why as I said earlier in the discussion that the the moment there isn't a majority for that now for that to happen. So that to be a majority for that the most important they would have to be a shift in the labor position. So the opposition labor party, which doesn't buy sell have the votes to defeat the government could if it combined with people the conservative benches and the other opposition parties who have come round to the idea of another referendum. If that coalition will put together in parliament around something that was practical and workable, and that's not a given by any stretch of the imagination. Then Paul could vote for four a another referendum, but another referendum can't happen without that. And hear them would have to agree to a postponement. Yes, you would have to agree to put on hold and Britain's departure from the European Union. I think that's probably the least of the difficulties that the the the lowest of the hurdles to overcome. It would have to be under different prime minister. Almost certainly because it's it's hard to see Theresa. My Ichijo words and being prepared to go into another referendum. So if if if all the cars were thrown up in the air the deposit change its position, the conservative party had a different leader. Therefore, we had a different prime minister that prime minister could then with the authority of parliament behind them. Go back to the European Union and say we would like to what's called suspend the article fifty which is the articles of the of the treaty which allows for Britain to leave and say hi on we will time. Now, the European Union pretty uneasy about that at the moment because frankly, they've had enough of these. They've negation negotiated troll agreement. They've all just turned up in Brussels Sunday. To to to to to ratify that so they'd be very reluctant to reopen negotiations again. But I think if they saw the possibility all well, if they thought it was the only option, and they saw a new prime minister with the authority to put it back to the people that I think they would agree to that. So the bottom line is. Yes. Possibly a another referendum, but not under Theresa May's watch. So the question then remains is she going to go? And if so when that is the question, or it's one of the questions, there's an awful lot of questions to your round at the at the moment and for now. So that's a couple of weeks at least she's going out there all around the U K trying to win people over. Although at really the people has to win over our on her own benches in the house of Commons of that looks like everyone is saying this that it's hard to see how that could be turned around. And that that is the vote she has to win in two weeks time, if she fails to do that her a thority is even more undermined than it has been. Already, and certainly people are factoring into all their sort of game plans for what happens next, and that there would be a a new leader conservative party. But she's a she was described by one of my former colleagues is plenty difficult woman. She she is and and the one thing people respect to for I think is too nasty. And and the fact that she just keeps on keeping on. So nothing's given in this in this debate. And the fact that Theresa May might leave isn't a given either. Thank you very much. Indeed, that's Lance price. You're listening to the globalist. UBS has one nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries. Over nine hundred of the shop is mines and freshest thinkers in the world of finance today. No one. No one knows. We could help you contact us UBS dot com. Vienna office, some of the best quality of life in the world, and it Christmas, the Austrian capital is the ideal travel destination. There's a coastal session and Brig the biggest exhibition of the Flemish masters today is currently on display there. But what's really exciting? This time of year is the city's many Christmas markets. There's nothing better than a bit of mulled wine and gingerbread to put one in the festive mood as we put the finishing touches on our own Christmas market taking place this weekend here majori house in London. We dispatched our Vienna. Correspondent Alexi current of to sample of his cities local fair. Christmas time is the best time. The city will dress down debutante bowl. The crowds of meta makers streets, dancing, and carousing. The weather's. And the weather's usually quite nice too. But if it gets too cold for your taste. It can always will me. Sound fun. Steaming couple gluhwein readily available at any of the city's traditional Christmas markets. In fact, I'm at one right now. And with me is an expert on making the best of the Australian Christmas. I'm Jake Mosul. Jacomb moss from the English. Speaking magazine here in Vienna. Vienna. Virtual stand to kind of a City Guide lifestyle magazine. So we're at the Berg Vinayak marked in the seventh district Viana. I mean, there's plenty of people here already, and what time is five thirty in the afternoon, and so people already getting stuck into their mount one that gluhwein and punch. What is this place? I like Spitzberg because it's kind of this nice makes even though it's touristy the locals come here. And they like it and the stands have some more teachable stuff happening. Whereas a lot of them around the city in the city centre, especially there's like this mass produced gluhwein, which gives you a headache the day after so well described to me generally Christmas, Indiana once that Mike. I'll draw that comparison because it's a big comparison. I mean in a straight air it's one day in the year that you celebrate Christmas, and then you pretty much work. But here they switch author Lee earlier. But anyway, the the Marcus sent a pop up about middle of November now, so there's already a Christmas vibe in the city or a festive happening and people started meeting here off to work and stuff, so Christmas Lee isn't just one day. But it's really a a month and a bit, but isn't annoying the fact that it begins early. I mean, I hate that. I love it. But I hate it. Because it disrupts my work is people going holiday months here, and you can get hold of anyone. I agree. It's very strange like people talk about the Austrians, healthy work life balance. But I think they've actually go to to add more in the life direction because they really do. Switch off at this time of the year. And there are several times in the switch off. So it makes it hard to do business of any kind or get anything done in the city. I mean, they they seem to be having the mix. Right. But I mean for those of us that are working throughout this period. It's difficult as a city really does shut down. And so you if you hear a line in Vienna and at Christmas, it can be pretty lonely is nothing. Absolutely nothing. Some sad. Mcdonald's. You'll be sitting in. Okay. That's. He had strange know how to let their head out during the Christmas season. And then more than happy to impart knowledge to you all you've got to do is come and they'll take it from that full monocle in Vienna. I'm Alexa corridor. Thank you, very Alexi and do join us Lemoult wine Monaco's very own Christmas market this weekend right here at majoria house in London. You're listening to the globalist. Twenty six minutes past the top of the hour. This is the globalist. I'm Georgina Godwin. And we're gonna continue with today's newspapers. Joining me in the studio is the journalist and broadcaster to foster. Thanks coming into good morning. Joe Jana thank you for inviting me we've been talking about Christmas. And before we go onto first story. I just wanted to comment on this picture that we have next. This is in the telegraph itself. Melania Trump decorating the White House Christmas tree another points out. Why is she doing it in gloves and coat? Can they not pay their heating bills? It's fake news. It's a very good question. It's a very attractive photograph. But I have to confess I came to this conclusion, why is she decorating people who do that all these something on the Christmas baubles that we ought to know about which is why she's wearing gloves. Different defense. This horrible horrible story out of Tukhy originate. Police searching a Saudi tycoons villa for the body of the murder journalist kashogi. Yeah. That's why it's interesting, isn't it? Because at one stays the Turkish authorities were searching would would they fought Mateka showcase remains might have been left behind. But on this occasion, they're targeting the search on property belonging to a businessman Mohammed, Al foes on who according to the newspaper, the Daily Telegraph is a millionaire with very close links to the Saudi Royal family. And apparently, they said that ten their various images of senior members of the Saudi Royal family in the walls of this on the walls of this building the search for Mr. remains her that she'd been focusing on this this building because there's a very interesting trail, which appears to suggest why it's a it is a target because for example, the chief prosecutor in stumble who said that the first the. The day before Mr. showbiz death, a member of the hit scored the Ted carried out his killing. They actually contacted Mr.. Now, there's no suggestion that he knew anything about this the to his property may have been it may they may any tension to use the property as a burial site. We don't know. But again, the Turkish authorities spreading the net foreign white to try to find out exactly what is happened to Mateka showcase remains. Because obviously if they do manage to track them down it'll give us more of an idea about what actually happened to him combined with the forensic evidence that they uncovered at the the the the Saudi consulate in Istanbul. And it's interesting this is happening. Because again, it's a backdrop to that. You have the CIA report the suggestion that perhaps the crown prince bin Salman that he may have actually known more about the killing of Mr. kashogi than perhaps he's let on publicly he's denied he was involved and at the same time he's coming to Tunisia on the visit. Really this the the Saudis are in damage limitation mood, and apparently the Tunisian authorities will journalists engineer same fat they've actually organized protests against his presence in the country. So this is something which is not going to go away. And of course, Donald Trump apps making the situation was because he pitched him the well pitch the divide between himself and his intelligence sources a CIA by by citing with the prince above the intelligence community is he saying the story that's going to go anywhere. No, let's stay with the telegraph. And this is some. Awesome really old story. The the missionary. He went off to wrote remote parts of the road. He was killed that the police allow saying just leave his body there. It's way too dangerous to even about getting it. Yes. Absolutely. This is John Alan Chan he's that he was twenty six years old, and he's a young young the United States America who was a Christian and he decided that he had to go to. I think it was the end of an islands to to convert this remote tribe to Christianity. And he bribes fishermen to actually get him into the area. He didn't get very far because the tribesmen saw him they attacked him, and he died and they buried him. Now oversee the family would would like to have his body returned home. But it's not going to happen realistically because quite frankly eighteen to dangerous it is dangerous on a number of counts. Because first of all the tribesmen who killed this young men. They have lived a life, which is is remote. I don't let us ten from civil. Is Asian but rim. It's remote style of life. It's the thousands and thousands of years. So obviously to recover that body would put those involved in the oepration endanger. But at the same time, you do not want to have content between the tribesmen and the rescue teams because if any of them ill, for example, if they have a cold, or whatever they could potentially pulse it on to these tribesmen, and it is disease that could want them out that is not an unfounded fear because if you look at the history of certain groups in either Lucien anthropologically big words this time in the morning. Some of them have actually died as a result of that contact with westerners. So they're going to have to leave leave us alone. It seems oversee questions will be asked about this mission. Why this young man felt impelled to do this? And also tightening restrictions on people in bulking similar adventures in the first place because at the end of the day, there is a safety and protection issue involved. Let's move to well to to London, but it's Russia in London because. Are asking a British court to settle the? Yeah. Yeah. I read this story. And it made me wish that I don't she stopped to my childhood. I'm Bisham, which is to be a barrister because I thought to myself I've been a barrister I could probably been involved in this case and the fees alone would actually ensure the I would have been a very nice life. How many years I'm actually meant to live. But it's a fascinating story involving two on the Gauls owner, Jerry Pasca who according to the times was an aluminium tycoon or Lumine, if you're if you prefer the American pronunciation, and that Tennyson who was once a minister for President Putin. It seems that both of them they these guys got together and they bought this textile factory, which is losing money. But the real value was in the the scale of the site. It was about twenty two acres and things started getting a little bit ropey between them in two thousand eight when you had the credit crunch and it hit Mr. Durr Pasqua, particularly heart. Now, according to the allegation he then tried to institute an armed takeover. I've. Business journalism. I've never heard of an armed takeover before. But apparently this takeover involves an enforcer with a group of individuals trying to seize the business they failed and then apparently Mr Dary Pasqua contact Mr. Timu into actually buy him out lady that didn't work the other component to this is that Mr. Timu kings, former girlfriend who was with him for seventeen years she suing him because she says the term they haven't quite Fadi divided the assets of this seventeen year relationship. Now, they had a fifty five million pound holiday home in captain, t which they split also collections of art works vintage calls antique weapons, but apparently they're millions of pounds in town Lydon's trust which disputed the other component to this is that her legal also around one million pounds. And they being underwritten by Mr. Terry Pasqua. Don't you love it? I also have the fact that that she is a girlfriend there is also a wife. Is still present. And he was a big Tory party data. Yes. That's right. I mean, you you just couldn't make it up. And apparently they like going to the London courts to fight these things out because apparently the London courts legal firms have a reputation for fairness, so yes, I'm very fair mind as we don't have a degree. I show you that I will be very very fair judgement comes to me a my fed. My fees will probably be a bit cheaper than what these legal eagles are charging. So if if they want to change you can always come to me. And of course, if that's not enough we need further unraveling story, well who better to do the unraveling than ERC you'll quo only now, I think it's going to be poor it. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. I like the the Christie is it tastes. I like the Christie books. I'm probably going to incur the Roth Christie fans because I think that when you do actually so I say, the plots they all very implausible in the strength of the writing is she gets away with implausible, but they've been so many added -tations of the Agatha Christie stories the latest one to come television is ABC murders. And this this is undertaken by the BBC, and it's one of the centerpieces of the Christmas giving shales and shock horror. They've caused John Malkovich. The American actor in the role if acute ho shock horror even further acute ho will not have a Belgian accent. Now you've seen the previous -tations of them. The Christie stories me famously the album Finney version of merger New Orleans express as Belgian accent and David Suchet who's played him for the IT adaptations is at the Belgian accent, but not with John Malkovich because his. The point is look Paros spent all these years in England. So he's tried to integrate and he's tried to serve remove the Belgian that Belgian accent cetera. So it's possible that a lot of them Kristie fans might be offended by the costing in American actor playing this iconic role. They might actually not like him. The the twist in the story. We're not quite sure what the twist is. I'm not going to reveal what it is. Because I have actually seen it. So we're not this version but a previous versions, so whether the merger is the same character. We don't know. But you see this is the problem with the Christie stories because if you've read the books if you see me -tations, they don't really hold that many surprises for you. When you see another version of it. So for example, we had the merger on the Orient Express. Kenneth Kenneth Branagh, which was to strawberry. Silly. But that was just minor professional ridiculous of faith furniture. But again, the the punchline doesn't really change. I guess it's how you will. You're way out the story arc. But anyway, that's one of the centerpieces of of the viewing. It's it's John malkovich's his own interpretation of q Poro, would it work or not? Who knows? Who knows? Finally, let's quit while you argue though with such a great actress probably would. But anyway. Very quick look at Margaret Thatcher. She has been included on the Bank of England's list of candidates who could appear on the fifty pounds late. Yes. That's why it's an interesting choice, isn't it because they want to scientists. But what people forget is that Baroness Thatcher was actually a trained scientist, and according to the article, she she I think she took her degree at Cambridge University. But she would as a research chemist and she worked on the team which helped him vent sauce group screen something that we all take the granted. But I think it would be very controversial choices she will selected because she was such a hugely divisive figure. Not all about her legacy continues to the Stacey I've not even dead that loan. But certainly when she died. It was interesting to see how the public responded you had some people who genuinely saddened by her death because they compared her government with those of previous administrations. In other words, the Britain pre Margaret Thatcher Britain jury. Margaret Thatcher from post Margaret Thatcher to get this this real sense of of how things have changed. But then on the other hand, if you lived in the mining communities in Yorkshire, you would not put you wouldn't have been terribly sad demise. Because of the the minus try can help a felt that that she ran down these these communities by basically shutting down coal manufacturing cetera. And we know that there was some people, and I, you know, somebody very close to home in in my family. I'm not gonna say who they all you actually had a party when she died because again this intense feeding so I'm not quite sure she was selected to be on. This fifty pound note how it will go down. But people need to remember that if she is chosen is no guarantee, she won't be because number of names put into the fray, for example, Stephen hawking. It's a possible specifies face wash there that people forget will actually she's there's a scientist. They think oh, she's there is a politician. And arguably those people whose lies economic clear affected by never would never actually get to handle the. They boycotted Juliet, thanks very much. Indeed. That was Juliet foster still to come on the program how France is dealing with the yellow vest protests and is science about to change the entire evolution of the human race. This is the globalist. Stay tuned. UBS global financial services firm with over one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication of our people. 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Let's let's just have a quick look at what the Bill contains because the transport authority the AM will not roll out beyond the major towns and cities. What does that actually mean in practice? What that means that there's going to be a novel thirty was gonna make sure that people are not completely left today on divide that are going to be some kind of, you know, management in the water FRANZ and the area will not be basically left today on device. That's quite important. That also means I mean, psychologically, that means that they were relation is not less than the people living in towns because. They now have the same. They have another with the same camera thirty. That's the kind of message does very important at the moment when they were population feel very much left alone. But what's inside the Bill is also I mean, it's it's quite controversial. Of course. Because some of the idea quite bold. I'm thinking about for example, the idea of creating shuttles in the countryside to help people go to a train station or citizens is that something that's gonna be. I mean, that's that's bold idea of because they're driving us because the driverless, and because there's going to be there's going to be, you know, mechanic transport in the middle of field in the middle of the countryside. That's going to make some people very unhappy. Because it's going to change the way the countryside the countryside looks and it still I it's never been done at least in France in the countryside. So that would be completely innovate in innovative. There are some of the measures the bit more controversial like for example, having green lanes in the middle of the countryside for non politic cars, all four share. Cars that's something. That's not going to go down. Well, because French people don't like to be rated between those two do something. Well, and those do something that's not too. Well, so nothing is going to go down. Very well. And the other main issue is that ad for this Bill. The government decided that's why that's the way it's being seen decided to shift the blame and shift the tax burden and basically not on the overall good the central government. Basically what you companies and local authorities because with this Bill the local authorities will be allowed to attacks local businesses, if they if they if they want to fund a local transport, so many people are happy about that. Because they have a happy about tax. That's the main issue for the of course, the yellow vegetarian happy about the detection Krys on on fuel in on both kind of fuels, basically. So saying we're not going to tax. You your local. Authority's gonna tax. You is not exactly the solution. They were looking for. And of course, there is some some questions around whether local authorities can actually afford to have their own transporter thirty. Yes, because I mean, the the fund the fund of the lacrosse vici is very very very like many other country like in the UK so something that basically oria Derrida basically at at a stretch. So Jay really have the money to Putin to innovative way of transport. That's that's the main issue. But for example, in this Bill is five billion that's going to be dedicated to improve the railway that's going to be. That's not going to be basically the burden on the local authority, and that can be a real hell because at the moment. Many people take a car instead of taking the train because the lines are so poor. So it would be an improvement if the lines run better. But still the issue of how do you go to the station if if two or three kilometers away, you can't go to the station and one of the va? Very important point. That was completely forgotten. If that if it's one one kilometer away from the station, that's fine. But you in the countryside this no sidewalk, and there's no no provisions to make the road more useful. Oh, you use a fairly to pedestrian to to to get to the station. You won't take your bike for that. And but at the moment, they only focused on maybe basically helping people to get on the on their bikes, but not about making them working funding. Marie is this enough to quell the elevators purchase? Well, no on itself. It's not enough. Once we not important is that, of course, the universe are not happy about the tax on fuel and stacks tax on fuel is basically part of the overall green endeavor by by the government does your leisure on the yellow vets don't have anything against the ecology. They'll have something against the way, it's being done and implemented. So this this is not alone gonna change anything. But today the French president in the morning his going to basically make. Other announcements. So yesterday the Bill today the Bill announced by the minister of transport today at the announcement by president. So if it's a good mix, and if people are seen as feel they are being consulted because as the main issue in there, they they basically decision be taking far away from them. But I really impact on their life. If it's if the government managed to do this chief shift die could could go a bit of a way of the way to quell the, but I'm not sure this Bill in particular is going to change much because the main critic that you see on Twitter than you hear on the radio. Then you everywhere is that it's long long-term solutions. What about tomorrow Marie? Thank you very much. Indeed that was marie-pierre. You're listening to the globalist. Well, it's time to talk business now, and I'm joined on the line by thirty killed it from seven investment management. Good morning to you safey morning. Let's start off with these job. Losses and factory classes by General Motors. That's right. More than fourteen thousand jobs and eight factories five of which will be in the US. Now, this comes on the really the back of changing consumer tastes in the US, SUV sports, utility vehicles and pickup trucks. Now make up nearly seventy percent of the US market more than the smaller cars, which jam is traditionally made now the company said that it also focused on electric and autonomous vehicles. As part of this restructuring process now, President Trump has expressed his dismay at the decision, and he gave he was hoping to spearhead an industrial recovery in the US. That's part of the problem. Now, the industrial recovery is partly why he introduced the tariffs particular still in aluminium. But it's actually those. Are costing GM? It's added an extra billion dollars to that costs over this year. Now, given the the two biggest profit areas forty and of the US and China signs, the either of those two or even both of those two are slowing means that GM is trying to get ahead of the curve by by reducing their costs. And of course, they're not the only one I mean food has already announced plans to halt production of passenger cars in North America. That's right. Ford has done the same an automakers in the US are having difficult times. The people aren't buying as many cars as they used to inverse at the type of caused that buying changing. So it's really a question of this tussle between business I'm between the president. Let's talk Brexit. Yes. So we have the agreement reached at the weekend with the EU. And now we have the period weather document, and the agreement is really being analyzed and report by the London School of economics King's College and the institute for fiscal studies have set this Dale could cut growth of the UK economy by five and a half percent compared to if the UK had stayed in the U now, they put this down to increased friction and trade and also a falling immigration or that the report also said that a no Dale situation could weigh as much as eight point seven percent on UK GDP growth now, obviously caveats to this given any of these sort of numbers Elisa guests, given the number of uncertainties involved, but with Theresa May having a difficult task persuading MP's to vote for her plan all is run these sorts of reports, which helped clarify the intricacies of such a complicated situation, really complicated. I mean, just having a look at this final figure here so taking all these figures together. The GDP per capita will be one point nine percent to five point five percent lower by twenty thirty that is a big figure, and it's not that far away. It is a big figure, although there is also quite a wide range of as well. And that really is a sign of the fact that eight very complicated. And no one quite knows what's going to happen. But any situation where trade has more friction wherever possible barriers to trade in in a situation where we so used to doing trait. So freely is gonna come at a cost today. Dp growth. Finally, let's look at Italy. Now as reporting in our headlines today, the government have said that they will stick to that budget. But of course, this is worrying Brussels. That's right. There were some hopes yesterday. There might be sort of an end to the standoff in the Italy might have some concessions to their high spending budget. But it seems that is not the case. They've said they'll go ahead with the original plan. Now the budget deadly submitted the one they wanted to end. Poverty with it. So included policies is spoken about before basic, citizen's income and not increasing that retirement age, but it does somewhat blow the budget. So the EU do requires countries to keep the deficit to less than three percent of GDP, which this might do. But also importantly they have to keep our national debt to sixty percent of GDP all less now Italy is by no means the only country in the euro zone, which blows that particular part of it. But it is the second highest with with with debt of one hundred and thirty two percent of GDP behind only Greece. Now, the fact that that does blow it means that you could start living fines on that would start at about North Point two percent of GDP and we've remained two remains to be seen. What happens will back down? It does. Yes. The standoff there at the moment we'll have to see what happened to that. So if you thanks very much. Indeed that was so he killed that from seven investment management. You're listening to. Ablest on monocle twenty four. And finally on today's program research in China has sparked a huge control in the scientific community. He GM coup of Southern University of science, and technology and Shanzen says he's been genetically editing babies a process that's banned in most countries because of ethical and medical concerns. Well, I'm joined on the line by Chris Smith who is from the naked Santus Cambridge University. Chris aims to help the public gain a better understanding of some pretty complex issues in science. So Chris let's start with the science bit. What exactly has he been doing? Can you tell us about the process of editing human genes? Good morning. The first thing to to make everyone aware of is that we don't actually have any evidence for this. This is all hearsay or what this person claims. No one has presented any substantiated evidence. These stories are true. So we must take them with a pinch of salt and a face value. It may not have really happened. But what he Jan que- says. And he went to a meeting in Hong Kong last week and told people this is that he has done what we call crisper this genome editing on the embryos of seven couples extensively to reduce the risk of embryos developing or presenting on this earth is's receptors for HIV. So in other words, this would make these individuals. If what he's done has really happened much less -ceptable HIV infection in the future. He says he's edited sixteen out of twenty two human embryos from seven couples that eleven of those embryos we used in six implantation attempts. And he says he has one ensuing pregnancy which resulted in twins and of those twins tests show, and these these are twin consensus is as you know, I don't know if he's actually got the babies yet. But certainly the he's saying he's got a twin pregnancy. One of them has had both copies of this particular, gene that he's going for edited the other has just one. Now, how it works is basically. You take the egg. And you take the sperm the fathers in these individuals had jive e so they washed sperm to make sure there were no HIV particles there. They then used one single sperm to infect sorry, infect it being jetted into the embryo into the fertilizing it at the same time added this crisper, gene editing tool which was there to remove gene called CC all five delta thirty two or to cut into that, gene. And that's the one HIV is sort of doorway to get into our cells. And so the rationale is if you change that gene HIV can't use it. And therefore your body is much less susceptible to Jarvi infection. We know at the moment how different than is it from the existing practice of screening genes for disease. I know for instance, Huntington's or something you can make sure that the that the embryo does not have that, gene. Right. Well, there's a a world apart between screening and doing what we call preimplantation genetic diagnosis, and what is. Stint, simply editing, a human embryo to change its life course, because you have to remember that when you do this on a very early embryo in this way, every cell in the body of that individual is going to inherit the change that you have made with preimplantation genetic diagnosis, if you have a family history of of a catastrophic disease Huntington's disease is one example, there are many others, then you can take a cell from a developing embryo, you can look at the jeans, and you can then tell the parents with certainty this individual does or doesn't have this particular condition. That's all the same. Because at that point. You can give them a choice of whether or not they want to continue with that pregnancy, including even implanting embryos. You can you have a choice. They're here. They have changed these individuals at the genetic level, and that means every single cell in the end, I think crucially, the cells that are gonna make sperms and eggs will carry this change, which means not just those individuals, but their offspring will also carry that change. And that means you're changing the germ line of the human race. And that's very very dangerous because this stage these tools are in their infancy. We're not very good at using them on animals yet loans. Humans. I mean, of course, the ethical objections are enormous tr- cermony questions is it ethical to change genetic code to save lives. And if we do have that technology is it ethical not to use it. Well, the point that's being made by many commentators on this subject is that this is not a dread disease. These individuals nor ill what they're doing is changing them to prevent them picking up something that they haven't even encountered. We also have drugs to treat HIV in the unfortunate. But unlikely chance the person becomes infected and we can suppress the virus very effectively with with drugs. These days it's not necessary to use the sledgehammer to crack. Open a p that hasn't even grown yet. Which is vitally what they're doing? I'm very concerned because I've spent some time in my career actually making genetically-modified embryos. Sorry entities in my case viruses. And I'm very aware of. How changeable the outcomes can be you think crazy one thing all kinds of interesting genetic, spelling mistakes and other things happen. And there's the possibility that this individual could have gone in made what he thinks is a change in one particular part of the genome, but then you get water cooled off target affects of the regions of the genome edited. But because you don't go and look there, you don't know this happened and the effects might not be obviously manifest face value. And then when you come back to you discover that you've changed something as she does something quite crucial in the cell, and you've therefore saved that person from one disease, but condemned them to suffer a very different fate and also potentially poss that fate onto their offspring crispy, Dan have any time left, but just very quickly as anything now that can be done to stop it. It may not be true in this case. But it's it cont far away in the old days. China was very very inward-looking these days, it really cares. What the rest of the world think and people are objecting very forcibly about this one. And I think China, maybe we'll listen and perhaps. It will then put in place more regulation at the moment is completely legal to do this in China. Although people object to it that may change Chris. Thanks very much. Indeed that's Christmas from the naked scientist on that. So we have time for today. Thanks to produces moncus hippy and color to rebelo. Our research is Helena, treat Gabrielli della Santi and mother LeBron a studio manager today was Sarah byles. I'm Georgina Godwin return on the globalist at the same time tomorrow. Thank you. Phil listening.

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Ep. 418 | What's Ben Sasse Doing? | What Will Happen in 2020

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Ep. 418 | What's Ben Sasse Doing? | What Will Happen in 2020

"You're listening to Steve dais on demand. And the low this is Steve dates. The Steve day show. Happy Monday, welcome to the day show that would be me tied and Aaron are here as well. If you'd like to join us eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three is the number. That's eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three Steve. It's day dot com is I can Email the program like us on Facebook. Follow us on Twitter at Steve day show, at least while you still can we are live on the blaze is the great purge is taking place on Twitter as they make their way up the food chain. We are live in the blaze on demand at crtv. Coming up a little bit later on today's show. Happened to Ben Sasse anybody know, what is he doing? Do you know, do you know, I think would Ben Sasse is always been doing? Because I I don't know. I don't know if he wants to be a Senator I don't know if he wants to be the next Pearl clutching managing editor at the weekly standard. That's what I was going to go. I'm not I'm not really sure what he wants to do. But he's kind of sending me the vibe of the guy who will hold their tunics while they're stoning us, and we'll feel real bad about it. And we'll say test this shouldn't be happening. But you brought it on yourselves. Don't you or we'll talk about that a little bit later on with a guest who actually knows him a little bit, our friend. Bob, Andrew plots will join us and then next hour, I'm going to save you two years of time. Anguish frustrating commercials ads polls skewed or otherwise, I'm going to save you all of that time. And I'm gonna do my two thousand and twenty presidential election analysis today, I'm gonna tell you what's going to happen right now. And a pretty confident. I'm right. Okay. I'm gonna lay that out next hour, and then I'm gonna let Todd and Aaron pushback with questions comments and insults after that. So to be clear thanksgiving is clearly over. This is payback to you for refusing. Let's let me celebrate Christmas until thanksgiving was over high like them apples. Right. All right. But first we begin with lots gone down. We've been gone for five days. So here's what happened while we were away. What's up with all those black men who voted for the Republican and the Georgia governor's race? Welcome to what happened while we were away, whereas zany hijinks will ensue. So when you do the new carriers as redo, and as we're thinking about doing would you go esteem, or would you go with electro-magnetic because steam is very reliable and the electromagnetic? I mean, unfortunately, you have to be Albert Einstein to really work at properly. What would you do? Albert Einstein to run the nuclear power plants that we have here as well. But what we're doing that very, well, the the I would go. Electro-magnetic cat. We do pay a heavy coffee transiting steam around the good, okay? I like to hear that. I'm actually happy about that answer. Because at least you know, they're doing what they're doing. But that's actually very good answer. Maybe Trump should get on the phone with the military and send the military back to the border yesterday hordes of illegal aliens of stormed across the US, Mexico border Tijuana, according to the customs and border patrol agency. Tear gas had to be used since several illegals were throwing projectiles at border patrol agents. Just another day that ends in y in a land with no borders. Tensions are heightening in Ukraine as Russia yesterday blocked and seized Ukrainian gunships in the Kerch strait Ukraine will vote on whether or not to Claire martial law in the area today. Why straight men hate astrology so much Twitter just banned another conservative pundit, Iraq war vet and former congressional candidate. Jesse Kelly says he was. Banned for literally no reason the Email he received notifying him of his banishments didn't say what rules he had broken them. Megan Murphy was also suspended for saying men are men and women are women also Twitter just updated its terms of service to include prohibition of dead naming. I e calling Bruce Jenner Bruce Jenner. Let's check in on Louis Farrakhan. Call me an anti Semite. Stop it. I'm anti termite. So maybe it's time to get off that infernal website after all repeat after me taxation is better than philanthropy. John casick, ladies and gentlemen, did run for president last time or any ran for back in nineteen ninety nine as well how seriously we thinking about taking it on this time. Very seriously. I'm considering Georgia. These are Ernest conversations that go on virtually every day men with muscles and money are more attractive to straight women and gay men showing gender. Roles aren't progressing drum criticized the ninth circuit court of appeals the other day, which prompted chief Justice John Roberts to write a strongly worded essay extolling the virtues of an independent judiciary which prompted then this tweet from Chuck Schumer. I don't agree there. He often with Jeff Justice Roberts, especially in his partisan decisions which seem highly political, but I'm thankful today that he almost alone among repub-. Stood up to President Trump and for an independent judiciary. And that's what happened while we were away in two minutes or less. I don't know guys that we're going to be able to wait until January second twenty nineteen. We come back after our Christmas break to launch the. Calling calling Bs theme of the year because. There was there was feces overflow which in that rundown. I'm fine. Speeding. I think our worldview year may have not taken. Tried. The year of the world view as an astounding success. That call. Signed survey VAR. Does anybody know what that was? I don't think Trump does what that was. Where are we building the Pacific railroad? Was that you listened grant. Picking the call to the railroad. Get some steam out there. Open up manifest destiny. What's that? But you know, what can we book though? So that's where it starts. Well. But then this is this is the frustrating. You know magnificent. Basf beauty of Donald Trump. He has the ultimate mala propped on a live, Mike. Acting talking like he's president grant to the western railway in eighteen seventy four. And then he turns around and correctly, hammers the ninth circuit court, everything he said was exactly right. And if I understand John Roberts rebuttal. Donald Trump was calling out the ninth circuit for violating supreme court precedent. If I understand the chief Justice of the land correctly John Roberts is upset that Donald Trump. Once the ninth circuit to acknowledge the supreme court held by John Roberts is supreme. My following this. Right. I think those I read everybody's comments. And I'm like, I believe. John Roberts is ripping Trump for telling the ninth circuit to obey the edict of John Roberts is that. What went down there? This is just a classic as of that old axiom or saying, whatever the brain has declared that the brain is the most important organ in the body. That's that's all this was this is just I mean, hey. Dare you. Stay in your lane mister president. How dare you what shirt my supremacy? That just goes to show you this this is beyond reform, and it's gonna take more than good judges. The system in and of itself is corrupt. The thing is so far gone. Chuck Schumer doesn't even understand his own scam. In a magnificent display of self ownership. He tweets out condemnation for John Roberts rulings while then ripping Trump for condemning lower court rulings. This whole thing is convoluted it's banana Republic, and we're beyond just we need better. Judges you need it you need to reform the system, it's not a Justice system. It's just a system. It is it's banana Republic, it's oligarchy ill. It is arbitrary. It's a joke and the president of the United States. How colossally embarrassing that phone conversation was is a one eighty percent one hundred eighty degree. I should say the other direction. Exactly correct on what he said about the ninth circuit. And the chief Justice ought to be backing him up. Years. The irony of this is what I'm trying to say Trump is actually accurately. Following the judicial system the judicial supremacy claim they believe in. But they don't believe in this system. They don't believe in story decisive. They don't believe in precedent. They don't it's the same scam. As as people on Twitter were saying over the weekend leftist were saying that that taxation is better than than charity and philanthropy. They don't believe that. They don't believe that. We're just calling people on all BS from now on all all Bs. Oh, and I cannot have this is all if I end this year with one this next year with one damn friend. I'm going to be disappointed. I didn't do my job. All will be called this to people in this room with you, which one of us. We're good have tried. Look at us, the trinity, then all right? That's kind of where we are here. Okay. Let us call out. All right. Who's the us? We're talking to ourselves. Little Genesis one joke there. So here's the thing. All Bs will be called. We are this next year is going to be the christening scene in the godfather to on a regular basis, like something nice ceremony will be happening over here. Here. It's just going to be mass assassinations. We're all family businesses getting settled all over the place. So let's settle some family business right now, there isn't a single leftist in America who really believes that who believes that taxation is superior to philanthropy and charity, not a one. Here's how you would know how many of them give more than they. Oh. Warren Buffett says things like this think Warren Buffett has accountants that help him manage his tackling is tax Bill. Think Warren Buffett keeps accountants around that that have him pay more than he does think he does that. I just assumed he had tiny little elves just giving it away in the streets. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody does that Mike Huckabee is still joke about how when he was governor Arkansas they added a box. You could check on the state income tax form where you could check the box, and volunteer to pay more. Would you like to know how many people did that come up like really low which like to guess zero? No one believes this anybody who says that is in telling the truth. The either don't know what they they're so far into the cult that they have lost. They've lost their damn minds or they're lying to you. Because what they really are into his control and coercion. That's what they're really with. They're really telling you is control in coercion. Is preferable than your individual. Tommy. That's what they're really telling you my control in the system that I'm part of control Inco in ability to coerce you into doing what we want you to do is superior to your freedom and liberty. That's what they're really saying. No one really believes on their face. No one really does. And here's how you can tell if you're if you've got somebody who's just giving you a social Justice where you're talking point because they saw. You know? Karl Marx is my homeboy on Twitter tweet this out, and they thought oh that sounds so cool and just ask them. Hey, pay more this January pay more next month. When the tax Bill comes pay. More fact, don't even wait we paycheck snakes pay period. And you look at what was held. Take some of your net and send it back. You want to be heartless? I mean, this is charitable, and you can hear how you can also tell in the Obama administration, we had more people on food stamps record highs. We more people on food stamps than the total population of Spain. How come they didn't have press conferences in the rose garden, celebrating all of the charity that the United the people of the states were so compassionate and doling out? Remember, those did you ever get any press releases along those lines, I know because that's complete and total bunk. No one believes that no one really believes that. And neither do judicial supremacists. Whether they're Republicans or Democrats really believe in the system, they claim to be a part of they've they've abandoned. That's why I don't even argue people send me emails now all the time because like while you do that. Because a lot of you are just being introduced to some of these arguments. So you're asking me questions about Marbury versus Madison stuff, I don't usually respond why because they're irrelevant. Because the people that believe in that really don't believe in that. We're we're way past Marbury versus Madison, we're not arguing we're not we're not arguing judicial review we left that behind the Warren court, we're arguing judicial supremacy. And that essentially means starry decisive in other words, the preponderance of precedent interprets the law. None of that matters. What it is what I want to be the law is the law. What I want it to be for any rationale. I want it to be. Anything I want I do. And there's a damn thing any of you can do about it. That's what the system is. Donald Trump was was telling the ninth circuit court. You are violating the US supreme court. The chief Justice of the supreme court sided with the people violating his own precedent. Why? Because how dare another branch claim it has any say in what we do here. We are supreme as not as a court as a body as a branch we can make you do until you what to do anything. We want. Most of your lawyers care which lot ninety nine percent of the law schools. They come out of having studied the constitution, certified Lee at all. But they've all been taught a court determines its own jurisdiction. They've all been taught that. And that's what you saw that exchange between Trump. And the chief Justice he doesn't even care about his own system. Cares about power. Power coercion control because he's a progressive. He's just too small P one. That's what all progressives care about is controlling coercion. Which is why even when they side with us on the stuff we care about notice. They almost always do it from the wrong premise have you noticed that they never ever actually assert like in the master cake. Shop. They simply said to the to the government of Colorado. You were just too mean to this guy come up with a way to make him. Do compel him to do things. It doesn't show. You're just nasty to. I'm sure you can make him violate his conscience. If you're nice about it, all you want. They never rule based on the precedent. We want even when they side with us. The president never is the constitution means what it says. And the people are supreme. That's never how they decide. It's always from a premise that grants them control and coercion every single time. Something else that needs to be discussed. We're gonna talk more about this on crtv. Today is what's happening with Twitter? Here's the thing. If you don't work in the media, you probably don't understand why this matter so much because less than twenty five percent of Americans have a Twitter account sound like Facebook over eighty percent of Americans have a Facebook account in the vast majority of Americans who have won utilize it at least on some kind of a regular basis weekly monthly only less than less than twenty five percent of Americans have a Twitter account. And who knows amongst those Americans that do how many of them utilize it on a regular basis. Here's the problem though. Just like in nineteen o five twenty five percent of Americans probably had a phone in their home. But the people that were the decision makers in the culture did in the telephone replaced. The the, you know, the messenger horse guy in how we communicated ideas. That's kind of what Twitter has become. Most of the narratives that get established or created in today's infotainment culture. Originate with Twitter. Even though the vast majority of Americans are not on it don't use on a daily basis. Those who form opinions. It's not just on the left. I mean, the Twitter is the president of the United States communication department. Wouldn't you say, yeah, that's a sensually? He's he's he's the first president ever really to be in modern times. Anyway, I don't know what things were like in. You know prior to, you know, indoor plumbing electricity and mass media, but in the modern era, he's the only president to really be his own spokesman, what is the that provides that opportunity Twitter. Twitter gives him an opportunity to to go around any false narrative any fake narrative. Get his own message out directly to millions of the American people all at once. And then most of what most of the liberal media reacts to from this White House that what does that content? Most of it come from Twitter. Does it come from his official statements? Does it come from press conferences, what is most of their reaction to the day from the White House come from from Twitter? And so we're looking at. The number one. This has become. The number one gathering place of design nice. We're we're seeing movie scripts changed and movie movies recast based on what the Twitter mob set. Thanks. So even though the vast majority of Americans are on it don't like it don't care. The vast majority of Americans who are involved in making major decisions that impact all of your lives are on it and are heavily influenced by it. Back in the eighties. We broke up mob L for antitrust violations. They were too big too dominant. But they never decided who got a phone line based off of what you were going to say well on the line was heavily offensive. Like, they never said David Duke when he was the grand wizard of the Robert Byrd for that matter when they were grand dragons of the KKK because you're racist. You can't have a phone number. Nobody would have ever thought of doing that. Nobody would have ever thought of saying Larry Flint because you pedal smut. You can't have a phone number. But Twitter is doing that. And they're not even in their doing it very selectively. The guy who runs it isn't a moron. He's in the media all the time. He's well aware of the fact that calypso Louis Farrakhan is on their dropping racist anti semitic bombs with impunity. While he eliminates all these people. And it was funny. I said on Friday, you can see. Now, they're beginning to work their way up the food chain when they banned lower Luma, and I don't know much about bloomer. I know she doesn't think much about people like me of her going tangents on Twitter about Christianity's foolish and dumb and won't save you and things of that nature. I don't know much about her work. I've heard her labeled. All right. I don't really even know what that means anymore 'cause everybody's all right now, and nobody is to to the to the new staff at CNN everybody at not at the weekly standard or four people at at national review are the alright now. Okay. So I don't know what that means. But. Alex Jones is a certified fraud. Crazy. They they started at the bottom of the food chain. Now there were they work their way up to lure allure. I pointed out on Friday on Twitter. You can see they're starting to work their way up the food chain now, and then I get home after taking the family out to dinner and a movie after we watched Zoe dance today, and I get home in the news is Jesse Kelly. Jesse Kelly's Ted Cruz guy was originally an anti-trump guy, and then kind of became only the only option we have other than Hillary. So I'll put up with guy. Serve this country's marine combat bet. I follow him on Twitter. I don't know what he could have said. I mean, there's a chasm between Alex Jones and Jesse Kelly guys. Jesse Kelly's the guy now where a lot of us have to start asking if he's gonna go. Then a lot of us are gonna go. So we're gonna conversation today on our roundtable on crtv. What's the proper conservative push back to this one of the most active influential conservative Twitter accounts, insta-, pundit, shut his down in protest. Fox News has not tweeted on Twitter for three weeks since they allowed their platform to be used to out Tucker Carlson's private residents. I mean, even the Meghan Murphy feminist, I wanna make sure audience understands who Megan Murphy is I only discovered her the last few weeks. She is a hard left feminist. This isn't like who's the mom from the staunch Catholic. Allie used to be on. Everybody loves Raymond whom. I think enough right. Who I didn't? Thank you heat Nisar name. Right. But Tricia, she she she identifies herself, basically as as a Christian feminist. I've heard identify. No, no, this woman is a gala -tarian third wave feminist, which is exactly why she's like. You're imposing the patriarchy on me by telling me men can now steal positions from women. I can't think of anything more anti feminist than giving things women have long deserve to have that have been denied them and giving it to a guy because he puts on eyeliner and gets a boob job. She's right. She's the one that's actually following her own a gala Terry view to its logical end. And she suspended. So. Conservatism isn't an ideology, it's an observational science. And observational sciences observe that certain things take priority. Okay. You have a right to keep in bear arms, for example. But if you have documented in your past you have exhibited violent behavior. Have you done something? Then that you've essentially forfeited that. Right. So you're going with this. Yes. Okay. And I think we it's time to start having this conversation because we're now to the point now where we're beyond the canary in the coalmine now as you like to say quitting Lord of the rings. This is we're open war is upon you. Now, this is very clear if Jesse Kelly gonna go if left-wing feminists who are like women Jonah's and men don't. But thank you if they go then then there's no subtlety now. And you're we're beyond Alex Jones kind of had it come into him. This is now essentially the meeting place for the American zeitgeist narrative is openly purging anything that will not line up with cultural Marxism now, and we need to have a conversation. It's conservatives about how to push back against that. We will today on crtv. John casick. If I was Donald Trump's political director. I'd be on my knees right now. Begging him to run. Well, Steve president who face primary challenges never win. And his dad was a mailman. I think this is this is different though. In the reason why I think it's different is because we've never had a president before whose personality played so well opposite another personality and so poorly when left to its own. Like when lift to its own you get moments like Trump on that phone. Okay. And you're just like crush with fingernails on a chalkboard. Or was was that the president of the United States? But when he has a foil, he is cash money, homey. And here's what John casick primary does he'll primary and from the left, and I mean from the way left which will rally Trump's conservative base nationwide, and it will allow Trump as well to dominate new cycles when these democratic candidates are going to be out there running for their open primary. They're going to struggle to get oxygen. Traditionally what we've seen is president's kind of almost go away for five months when they're in power and the other parties have a primary, you know, that unless and usually they only make news when something bad happens because they're the incumbent. He's going to be out there. The best Trump is campaigning Trump. The worst Trump has governing Trump when he gets to campaign straw, man. You know foil, he crushes people and case. Good to give him the perfect foil for the system every thumb Sukkur. You could imagine what come out of the woodwork. 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Now through the end of the year, actually, free shipping. I should say free shipping through the end of the year. Hey, while we're calling BS. I was a shirt this migrant caravan was not an invasion guys. Don, lemon premised. I mean, I was so we're shutting down major metropolitan airports closing parts of the border and. And beefing up border enforcement and the cause of all these things is. A mad rush by a force of non citizens at a border of a sovereign country. Traditionally. Those characteristics. Todd were described as a. Attack and invasion. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Typically, how we described those things as in invasion. Anyway, let's move on nothing there Zena. Yes. Yeah. I just read been Don lemon says it's fake news. It means more than when Donald Trump's just drew. I just read through story though. So finds patient actually, you're near xenophobes in the dictionary. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Great. All right. So. Been sass. What you doing? That's ever. Does anybody know he's just been sassy, ma'am? You know, what you said you thought he was doing what he's always been doing. Yeah. I do let me start with you. I'm gonna let you take the lead on this. Then what do you believe he's always been doing? He's that that guy that everybody likes. He and he is very likeable. That is just too cool for school. He does he I think he really doesn't want to be in anybody's tribe, but the pendulum swing so far the other way that he becomes really of. No use to anybody in the end. I think he like many people likes the sound of his own voice. And I think he's re he's unique in the accent that I really don't think he cares about winning or losing their on any level in Washington DC. I think he has he's a man of genuine principles. But I don't think he really cares about what can be done in Washington. DC has no no sense of pragmatism in that regard. So. So I think I actually think he we just got done talking about casick. I think he I think he might primary Trump. I think he just thinks it'll be kind of cool. We'll just have a conversation. He he won't lose any sleep at night. I think he he's he's he's just going to kind of dude. And I mean this like small D dude that big dude like we use it on the show in terms of dude code violations of. This is always what he's done. He's he's he's not really into. Messaging on any level. Now, there's propaganda and there's messaging I tweeted today like I just don't what what is he what heels are you is he willing to die on. How does he care about even making that clear just kind of he's just kind of there at the buffet tasting, and he'll he'll go like what he said on the courts how many weeks ago was that when he said that it was during Kevin. Two months ago, two months ago. Yeah. But is there there there in terms of moving on beyond that I so this is me doing stream of consciousness about him. But I think that's maybe the best way. I think that's what he does. He's just there. He's going to do a stream of consciousness thing. And then I think he's going to run because he thinks that's the best way to do that. And if he wins loses in just get on with his life biggies, the guy survivor who like I don't know ten or whatever weeks into the series. You're like he's still here. I don't know. I thought taunting answer was going to be one hundred percent when you asked them. So you think you you think he's just doing the same thing? He's always been doing. I thought Todd Zinser was going to be in. What is that? I don't know. Because I don't think Ben Sasse knows what he's doing this. But I I mean, we're in the context of him talking about global warming this weekend. I mean, he lives in Nebraska. I mean. If he does primary it's going to be the same result as John casick. But I don't think anybody really knows what Ben's asks is is doing because I don't think Ben's ASO's what he's doing. And he's it's clear. He's not stupid. But at the same time, I think it's also cleared that he just is he's not really fully thinking things through in terms of perception is not really there. There is an art to being a politician, and he's just not very well versed in that art. I think he's thought things through. I just think he's decided he doesn't want to do those things consciously. He doesn't want. What do you think he wants to do? I think he just wants to be Ben Sasse. See that's enough to just be who is that a guy. Who's a nice guy who likes to talk about things in a way, that's not to edgy. But just edgy an you've you've been in politics, so long you've you've met a lot of these kind of guys who just wanted their need it to all the time. Here's what I can tell you. Every time. I've encountered someone I thought was on my side. But I could never really figure out when motivated them or with their endgame was. They weren't. There's never been like there's never a time. They huddle in secret for policy, and then they come out with something better than you thought. It was going to be has can you remember ever having doesn't mean it'll never happen. Okay. But has it ever happened before? No. No. It might happen sometime in the future. But there's never been a time. They've all huddled together down there under that capitol dome in secret and came out with a policy, and you thought how damn this is actually better than I thought it was gonna turn out to be likewise. It's possible bench asked might be the first, but there's never been anybody in my career. I've encountered that when I thought they were on my side. But I couldn't understand what motivated them or what their end game was ended up in the end being on my side. And I bring this up because I got a text from a buddy of mine over the weekend. Who's who's really ticket s? And it's because of the global warming comments that you referenced Erin, all right and. I want to show something to our audience. This is the most up-to-date now. This is Ben Sasse is liberty score at conservative review ninety four percent. I believe I believe that's number two only, Mike Lee. Okay. Ninety four percent. And. I then in looked at his Twitter. I went back two weeks on his Twitter. And I found I would not know this guy was a Senator. Like, I don't know why he's in this office. I don't know. I don't know. Like there's nothing about policy. You know what I'm saying? Nothing is memorial stadium. Selling runs us. Yes. I mean, I don't know why he's a Senator. And there's only the only two things I found that he has talked about politically in the last two weeks, which in today's don't we talk all the time. How we age dog years new cycles that we were melting down about twenty four hours, then see my three months ago in two days. Right. We talk about that all the time. So I think two weeks two weeks wasn't fair ten years ago, but in this environment, don't you think two weeks a pretty good given how fast cycle moves and evolves? And how much goes on is. I want to be as fair as I can I want to be wrong. Okay. But I gotta tell you. I wanted to be wrong about pope Francis. A year ago, and I was telling you, my Spidey sense was tingling mine's been speaking a tingling all along as my Spidey sense. Is it it's Stingl right now. So is two weeks fair enough to just tell me why go there is a fair enough until me in the extreme. Okay. I think it's fair enough. I went back to weeks. You wouldn't always a Senator. I don't know what he did for two weeks, and the only political opinion. I saw him utter was that Trump could have chosen a better AG. Then Matt Whitaker. Oh, and then with this going on and with global warming. Here's the thing. I never see him. Address the concerns. Of conservatives ever. And I don't mean. I don't mean addressing them. Even in the framework that we want or that is the is the dominant talking point we violate the right? The conservative media talking points all the time. Don't we? Yes. Okay. But but we are addressing the concerns. Conservatives have because we're conservatives they may not line up with the partisan tribal Listrik talking points. Or the click Beatty. Trump's always the victim, and he's always been wronged, and he's never ever mala prompt. And he's Cheeto Jesus, we don't wind up with any of that crap. But on a given day, we're talking about many of the same things. Most of the other conservative shows are because we're conservatives predominantly talking to conservatives. We we don't we don't we certainly don't talk about them the way most of the other conservative shows do right. But we largely talking about most of the same things. We're addressing the primary why because we understand your audience. In for you to remain our audience as often as we can we need to address your primary concerns. I don't know who he thinks audiences. I don't know what game he thinks he's playing or if he's playing no game. And so now, we're gonna have this is like the coldest November of all time. It feels like in the mid west. We went out last night to the fan to took the family out to dinner and a movie the win. Here was howling. So bad. Fill like, mid January were even when you get inside. It takes an hour for you to warm back up. You know what I'm saying? And now, we've got we've got in terms of of media narrative, and and access to the culture the number one platform in America cracking down on conservatives. Mr constitutionalist. Donald Trump doesn't understand the constitution. Nothing to say about that. Nothing. But he wants to now speak up in the midst of the colder than a witches nipple November in the mid west. Let's talk global warming. You know, this isn't even Bill Kristol stuff crystals. Never been a conservative crystals. If crystal had been a Senator heat not having ninety four percent. Liberty score guys that's better than Ted Cruz. So I don't I don't understand what what the game is here. I don't even know what comes razor says. Because you could sit there and say this guy's all over the place. But then you listen to him talk. And you know, he's not unstable, you know, so I don't I don't know what's happening here. But we are approaching a time, and maybe are already there. I I'm the last guy to push back on someone for not wanting to join the tribalism. We defy that here all the time. We already have been on the air for fifty one minutes. We've already defied the tribalism already. But ultimately. When does this guy ever, even let's forget conservatives win. Does he addressed the concerns of his constituents? Why would you want him to be a Senator for you in Nebraska? Yeah. That's what I'm that's what I that's why I mentioned that from Nebraska who in the world cares about global warming. And we talked last week about regardless of what your view, the agree with Daniel Horowitz, and Mark Levin that it's jailbreak or the agree with Mike Lee, and and you know, freedom works. This is prison reform, regardless of which side you agree with. Go ask the average person who voted Republican in the for November the sixth and ask them is this the issue you want Republicans to spend their last few hours in the majority tackling. How many would say, yes? Zilch. We'll let me rephrase that how many not getting check from the coke brothers would say, yes. How many I think? Now, we know the answers I needed I needed to clarify that. Okay. So if you're getting a check from the coke brothers answer high. If you're not which is ninety nine point nine nine percent of us, the answer's zero. Okay. Nobody not getting a check from the coke brothers, regardless of what their position on. This is would rather have the Republicans spend time on this then making the tax cuts permanent repeal defending or defunding planned period. Right. Nobody wide. Nobody wanted. Similarly. How many people forget their party? How many Democrats in Nebraska? Outside of those on the faculty at the university of Nebraska. I'm pretty familiar with the state right next door, we go there a lot. I don't think there's too many people in Nebraska or d who are thinking, you know, I kind of want the number one priority of my Senator on November twenty six to be global warming answers fricking small man, so we've gone from. We're not even going to address the issues that matter to conservatives. When are you going to do that? We're not even going to address the issues that matter to my constituents. Oh. What is he doing? That makes perfect sense. In this age is you've always talked. What's the primary idol of this age? It is the self and you can you can still have ninety four percent conservative score with. But ultimately, not be a threat to progressive ISM. And not being is do you think he's going to be kicked off Twitter anytime soon, even with that score ask your we're gone. You bet you it's going to take a while to get to that point. What's going to happen is once once we're gone all the were not like those guys guys. Are we saw this over the weekend some left wing platform? I've never even heard of it. All right had some gave Republican operative. Tim Miller as they're never Trump conservative. He dared utter a conservative opinion, guess what they did his ass. They ran his ass right off that they kicked him off their platform. So when they're done getting rid of us. Yes. The Ben Sasse is of the world are. All gone as well when they're done getting rid of the guys like us. They were not like us guys. They're going next. I promise. Back with our to here. Live on the blaze on demand at crtv. IMC dais. He's todd. That's aaron. For the first time. It is now safe for me to officially say this without fear of backlash here on my own set. Merry christmas. Are we okay now right there -absolutely merry Christmas? Is it safe LEGO Christmas? Is it safe Laurence Olivier? Eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three is the number eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three Steve Steve day dot com is the number or is the Email address that just gave the number. Last name is spill the AC for those of you that are listening on the podcast on itunes, Stitcher. Google play Spotify later on by the way, while you're there if you could hit that subscribe button on your podcast platform. We would appreciate that. Leave us a five star review. If you liked the show don't lie if you don't. 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So it's the actual screen cap of medical book books science books on gender and sexuality things of that nature and just taking the pictures and putting him on his Twitter account saying, hey, do you get banned from Twitter now for quoting science textbooks? So his is a Twitter following that would hurt if they were to lose that. That's one of the things we'll discuss in the roundtable today. What should be the conservative pushback to what is clear now crackdown? We're beyond canary in the coal mine. Now, the purge is on we will discuss that today at crtv. So to punish Todd for the last few weeks of humbug. I'm going to force him during the final hour of today's show to discuss the topic. He hates the most. The next election cycle. I do. You disdain this. I do. Instant replay or twenty twenty. That's a good question do choice. Yes. Binary choice, which one do you hate the most? I think instant replay. Wow. I do I do. I it's such a transparent fraud. You can kind of respect though, the get off my lawn aspect of, you know, the new fangled technologies technologically. You don't it's not even it's the poor use of the technology. I'm not afraid of technology. But this is why I said at the dude code. We are allowed to dig in deep. We have to respect one another on thing. We dig deeper that is so if you're willing to be a jackwagon on something, but you're gonna hold to that to the to the last dying breath. I've decided that that is price Rudy for me. I'm at the point where that that's instant reply. I'm in I'm okay with that. Now that thing if now you're going to double down, and you're gonna be like, you know, man. Yeah. I didn't get around to watch. I'm gonna like screw you. I can't I respect. There's there is something about not being a joiner, and I don't have to follow along. And I don't need to do that was kind of hoping you'd be ticked off. But I'm still going to do this. Here's the thing though. And I love that we're buddies, but mascot, like seventeen of those meeting that wall. You're only allowed like one. Okay. So Rudy's like your one instant replays. Yours you now can't come back and say the Beatles suck Star Wars movies are bad steak. Isn't that good? Okay. You know what I'm saying? I have to give up the year of the cat now. Well that should've happened. A long long time ago. Like, you're you're allowed your one KOMO Jinlie. A not joining your okay, do it every dude should have that. Ashley just just to show. There's enough vinegar still in the urine. If you know what I mean? So every do should have the one thing that's not bad and probably you should like. But just because just because something needs to be the object of my angst. I'm going with that one. And you're not talking me out of it. So tough cookie, I respect that every every needs something to be unreasonably criminally about yours is instant replay errands is. Rudy rudy. They can't him at Walsh twenty-seven of as. Okay, twenty-seven. Now. The fish gets bigger story. So you can have what I'm wondering what what's mind you think they do. I I'm trying to think if I if I have one same difference is that my thing you. That that that's not it's probably not much enough though. But. Here's the thing. I am so systemically criminally though. Knows like one thing. I'll have to think about that. Maybe my Cur- Mudge about being curmudgeonly. Now, it's getting deep. Yeah. Yeah. Now, we're curmudgeon shower shave about the election. Now, we're really share now. Our now, we're being real. What? Anyway, the twenty twenty election. Yes. I knew you could make that sound good somehow. So I think what is today. Twenty six twenty six I think today, November twenty six almost two full years. Before the twenty twenty election takes place. I think I can tell you right now. What's going to happen in Erin? I want you to save this tape. Okay. All right. Make sure you got it saved and. Now that's gambling. There's going to be enough people around here at the blazin crtv still goalable enough to give us a platform two years from now. Right. But if nothing else when they throw us out of here, make sure you take the tape of this segment with you k because if I'm right? Even if because I'll be I'll we'll all be banned from Facebook and Twitter by that, of course. Okay. Even if I'm right? The dude co does allow me. To completely own and brag about this. If I called my shot this foreign advance, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Right. And so I'm gonna take full advantage of that. Especially if I'm unemployed it might be all I have left. All right. So I need to explain to you, though, why I think we already know. Into do that. I gotta go back to one of these books over my shoulder here that I wrote in two thousand fourteen rules for patriots. How conservatives can win again. Which was endorsed by Donald Trump. Well, it was although the way it went down was Trump told me to write the endorsement I wanted. I did I send it to Rona his private secretary. And he okayed it and that was the endorsement so I actually wrote my own endorsement from Trump which Trump than said was perfectly fine. I know you like that story. So I I I tell it as often as I can mix it in. But in that book, I laid out a path looking at the twenty twelve results and the two thousand and eight results I laid out a path for how Republican could win the White House in two thousand sixteen. And. There were three facets to it. Number one. They needed a higher turnout. Not percentage you're not gonna do much better percentage wise than what did Romney get like seventy nine percent of white evangelical or something you're not gonna do much better than that. And what I always tell you guys when it comes to elections. It's not about the slice of the pie. It's about the size of the pie. It's not about the percentage. It's about the turnout. Okay. Hillary Clinton still got an overwhelming percentage of black voters, but she didn't get the turnout rock Obama did. So what would you rather have ninety percent if you're Hillary Clinton and the black vote you have to turn out massively. Would you rather have ninety percent of pie that say that big or ninety percent of pie that say that big? What would you rather have the big big pie? Well, she got ninety percent of a pie. This pick ninety percent of a pie that bay amongst white evangelical 's Romney and McCain got seventy percent of a pie that big Trump got seventy percent of a pie that pick. But would you rather have big the big one, right? Okay. So it's not about the percentages. It's about the turn up. And so since white evangelical still remain, the largest and most passionate voting block in the Republican party. They need a mass turnout of that block. Not just the percentage the number the whole number number two gotta win class voters because since World War Two whoever has one middle class voters has won the presidential election with one exception. And that was the infamous Florida recount election. Al Gore one middle class voters by a couple of points and still lost. But to win middle class voters, I pointed out in that book the reform growth talking points. The isn't corporatism cool isn't gonna turn those voters. In every campaign. I've worked on or advised and keep in mind, if I'm working or advising, you you're going to be some form of a committed cultural conservative, otherwise, I'm not getting involved. Okay. And you wouldn't want me involved. If you're not. So our candidates the candidates that I've helped recruit our worked with or for. They've always gotten more pushback because of the GOP being corporatist than the GOP being pro-life. It's not even close, by the way, meaning the amount of doors. They've knocked on with voter was offended at them being pro-life compared to you don't like poor people. You don't like class people. You're one of those fancy fancy cat Republicans. It's not even close guys like ten million to one. Okay. Ten million to one. So via to middle class voters. You're not going to win them with. How big of a tax lien and incentive? Do you think we should give Amazon you're not winning with that that doesn't work even the middle class? People. Get a lot of the jobs that come from that that that doesn't work because the other side's gonna be over here saying they're gonna take away your Medicare. They're taking. So you aren't going to win that argument with them. You're going to need a more populist argument than what the GOP had ran on in the last two cycles with John McCain saying that, you know, shut down my campaign. John McCain was leading the polls right after Labor Day. The banking meltdown happens. He suspense his campaign and signs up for the tarp and gets blown out of the election because he lost middle class voters on the tarp class voters, eighty tarp. Scott Rasmussen when he used to run Rasmussen polling. He doesn't now GOP she'll firm when Scott Rasmussen was told me that the the most unpopular policy. He's ever polled in his entire career was tarp by far it was the least popular thing. Why? Well, most Americans make less than seventy five thousand dollars a year. And since that's most people who vote. I don't know why they'd be motivated to vote vote on. I think Lehman Brothers is too big to fail. What I'm saying? I mean when you're living paycheck to paycheck. When you're the earth and family losing your health insurance at your previous job in joining a for a time. You guys was at meta share one of those healthcare, basically. Yeah. How do you feel about bailing out? There's fell you feel about that that big on. It doesn't give you a warm fuzzy never that's not. That's not your get out the vote. Make you run to the polls that one no in fact, and I think this is often taken for granted. It's the kind of thing that people like me would John McCain something you'll bring down the whole system. We're kinda like kinda like to see what it looks like bring system because the system is why that's the systems. Why I don't have a safety right now. Damn system. Yeah. You can take your system and shove it, I'm fine. I'm fine. If it if it blows up, right? That's what you're thinking. Right. And you know. Every opportunity Romney had to appeal. To a middle class base. He put it on whether it was issues wouldn't even chicken sandwich. We've talked about that. So you're gonna need a more populist style of message. Okay. Conservative economic messaging doesn't sell the reason cell is because Republicans are credible. It's all twenty years ago, balanced budgets stuff sole twenty years ago. But people have given Republicans power so often now that they know basically all the Republicans are going to do is give the money to a different group of special interests than the Democrats will that the reform and growth talking points of nineteen Eighty-nine don't play anymore. You have to. That's why that's why Trump was never going to be damaged by we need massive infrastructure programs 'cause most people are used to Republicans spending much the same if not more money than Democrats. So they were actually anxious to hear Republicans saves going to spend the money on them for change rather than their Wall Street buddies. Hey, that's a new approach pretty tough to have credibility with your base when you continue to fund Planned Parenthood, but don't have enough money to build a wall. So and then there's that. Yes. The third thing I pointed out is they had to win tot Catholic voters. Since Roe versus Wade Republican is when the White House without Catholic voters. And one of the things I'll go into my next book that comes out in January truth bombs, which by the way is available right now on Amazon if you're looking for a Christmas gift that comes out January the fifteenth preordered, you can pre-order it right now. Yes, this is a shameless plug, but that's how we all get paid around here folks like you buying books, and hopefully, I wrote one you think is worthy everything January fifteenth. It's due out. You can get your you can get your preorder right now at Amazon dot com. And and I go in that book because I had I had you with me the whole way I think I did a pretty thorough job of explaining why this is such a vital issue for Republicans with Catholic voters and with the history of the Catholic vote was before and since Roe v. Wade, okay. But since Roe v. Wade no Republican is when the White House without winning the Catholic vote. Now, what I wrote in my two thousand fourteen book, you guys have heard me say before I'm not really. In a rigid. Thinker all that often. I just take a what what people have already established as really good ideas in help hone them. In message them in ways that might meet a new audience. That's kind of what I do. Right. And I've used the analogy before it's like the commercials when Todd and I were kids we don't make the products you buy buy we make the products you buy better. That's kind of what I'm good at. I'm good at enhancing your message on something. You originally thought of every now, and then we'll have an original thought. But most of the time my thinking is in line with how to make other people's original thoughts appeal to more people. So this this. Three pronged approach to a Republican winning the White House in two thousand sixteen. Wasn't radical. It wasn't revolutionary. All I did. No, wait for it. Ready for this show? You ready for this blow your minds here? Guys. You guys ready got it? But if your mind to be loners, always here's what I did. Back. And I looked. At what the coalition of every success Republican presidential candidate in the last generation was. And suggested. For Republicans to win. They needed to rebuild that coalition. What do you think? Well, that's not new coke. But it'll do it's like my favorite gift the guy when he goes. Once more in Spanish place. Yes. SMRT smart is my kids you say when they were little and you gotta get up pretty early slipped one past Mr. days. That's right guys. How you like that? My big idea was. Do what one four? So don't try to win in the way that you want to win do what actually wins? Yes. Ed nailed it the self doesn't want to do them. And that's what I was talking to vest color, man in the business for nothing Bob that was my point was Sasso. It's not really a this is what you and your. You're clearly have your Mojo back. You mentioned this last week. The combination of how you're doing with your your sports stuff. And the fact that you've got this last election, right? I mean, you are in the zone, but you just about listen, this is I'm just telling you one plus one equals two that people hate one plus one two they know like there. Oh, no. But this is how I'd like it teacher. We're all NAS ticks. Yes. They're all be some secret formula some secret sauce. Now, there's not there's there's not. Here's the problem though, you touched on it. In sort of sorted Aaron. They don't want to do this. There's a little bit. I love my coach Jim Harbaugh. He's a Greek coach better than. Eighty some odd percent of the coaches out there. And then there's just something that happens the third Saturday in November every year like what happens to your coach Andy Reid. He's a great coach it's better than eighty. But there's three weeks in January where something happens and. Winter's coming. Sea urban Meyer and Bill Belichick. Don't care. They're happy to be twenty-seven seventeen forty five forty two. Because they're just happy to beat you. There's great coaches that will do whatever it takes to win. And it can look anyway, it has to look provided where the guy at the end that has one point head of you. That's all about us to me. I think your guy Paul Chryst is another one of these kind of guys. Okay. But then there's other guys that love to win. But they love to win a certain way is not that they're not competitive, and it's not that they're not dumb. They're married to a paradigm. They're married to a process and within that paradigm and process, you're probably not going to beat them. But if you start making them color outside the lines and have to adjust. Pretty good shot. Now, the problem is most of the time they win because they could enforce their Mojo on you. But then there's those ten or fifteen percent of games you have to win to be the champion. When you're not able to enforce impose your Mojo on someone else because they hit back. And that's when they struggle because they don't have a counter. I don't I don't get to bully. You you punch back. Okay. Well, that's that was my that was what I had a bully when I don't bully you. Then I don't know how to win. Nick Sabin switched his defensive scheme twice. He's on his third different offense. He's got a new offense coordinator pretty much every year. He's been there. He's only been there eleven years and they're running. They've run the third style of offense. They've been running in the eleven years he's been there. And here's the thing. If anybody doesn't have to change its him because he gets the best players every year it even savings like. Yeah. You know, what I like even more winning my way? Win. Yeah. I like winning my way. But you know, what's even better than winning my way? Kristen Harbaugh are good buddies. By the way, they've been friends for years. I just think they're out of the school of I like winning my way are the guys are just like. The Republican party is in the school of we like winning our way they long they want to win. They need to win their way. And their way is we we get we promised the least amount to our base. So that we don't have to defend their talking points in the media that we don't really believe. Anyway. And then we don't oh them anything when we get elected. So that we don't end up doing something like read my lips. No new taxes. Oh, I just did the biggest tax increase of all time or fifty one votes to to get rid of ObamaCare. And now we have total power, and we don't because I know those things create backlashes so they want to win Mitch McConnell would rather have the bigger office. But if if it requires getting outside of this box. Happen. Now along comes at Trump. Trump to win it. Here's a it. Looks like if it looks like a blonde. If it's protected or unprotected sex or the porn star. If it looks like a brunette. If it looks like an heiress. If it looks like a tower looks like a hotel, it looks like a plane, if it looks like a golf course. Bankruptcy because city blew up on me. It doesn't matter. Does it matter? Trump doesn't care. Trump likes winners. And as long as if I can declare winning. Giving the Saudis their way or dropping the hammer on them. There's no ideology there. Then the ideology of win. That is Nick savings ideology that is urban Meyer's ideology that is Bill Belichick's ideology. I've got the greatest quarterback of all time. Bill Belichick says and some weeks. I only wanted to throw fifteen times. Most coaches, even great ones would say, why would you not have Tom Brady throw forty times? If you feel like you're limiting yourself not letting them early but village, I like I like win it. And right now, we need to win this game thirteen to ten. So Brady's gonna throw sixteen times next week. I might need fifty times. And if I do will since how Trump roles. Trump just wants to with. He's ruthless in the outcome. Not in the process. The Republicans their ruthlessness is not in the outcome. But the process. And this is why they did everything they could to nominate McCain in the oh eight in twelve cycles to have control of the process. One of the smartest things I've ever. I wish I could remember who wrote this. There was a conservative writer who wrote in two thousand twelve one of these smartest things I've ever seen anybody right in my career. He said the Republican party would rather lose elections to Democrats then lose control of the process to conservatives. Yep. Holy buckets. Is that? That's on on a on a stone tablet for Mount Sinai. That's so good that is the Republican party. And that is why they fight you and I- harder in primaries. And they fight them. And that's why there's entire organizations like natural national right to life. Who is completely designed just to lie to you. Yes. About their politicians. So that when they need when they need your vote, they can rattle the zipper and get you to come to the polls. Yes. See they don't hate Trump. Oh, they find him deplorable in distasteful, but he's written a lot of them. Big checks to really hate. You is base. And they can't stand the fact that he messages to you to get what he wants because one of the other smartest things I've ever heard in politics. This came from Daniel Horowitz, our conservative review, and he wants told me that Democrats inspire their base to get what they want. Republicans conspire gets their pace to get what they want. That's cash money, homey outrage right there. Right. So you need to know this. Because the Republicans weren't willing. John talked about Ben Sasse last hour. That's the campaign. John McCain ramp. He was more interested in making sure you did not that you were you needed to know you were a racist. If he used Brock Obama's middle name when addressing him you're racist. Then he was an actually pointing out Brock Obama was mentored for twenty years by guy who was an actual racist. That's the point. Millions of people lined up every Chick-fil-A in in the western hemisphere, and probably a lot of them actually are totally fine with gay marriage. They just didn't like the principle that we people's businesses down. We don't agree with their moral values. Mitt Romney is silent all day long instead of handing out voter registration cards and political runs to him that day and says, what's your view of this huge backlash? That's not a part of my campaign. But let me tell you about reform growth. That's why. Then the Romney campaign symbol this massive voter fraud detection bureaucracy called orca. And it was it was state millions were spent and they were going to go after voter fraud to make sure that they didn't that didn't happen to them. And just sat there doormen on election day did nothing, but Ryan's Priebus at the RNC a couple days after the election did send out a press release bragging that the Republican party still had millions of dollars left in the Bank from an election. They lost. Imagine your team the day after the Super Bowl head coach comes out and says guys got a really clean injury report. Right now, why the hell do you carry? You just lost the Super Bowl. You don't care who's hurt. There's not a game for nine months. Who cares? How much money in the Bank from an election. You lost? Who brags about that? So all you told me was you just let bullets in the chamber. This wasn't revolutionary. It just required. A candidate who is willing to do this. Trump was willing to do this. And here's here's you want. Your mind really blown if any of the other sixteen candidates that formally announced in two thousand sixteen at won the nomination any of them. They would have needed the exact same coalition too. 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But first we had to figure out why what happened in two thousand sixteen happened in two thousand sixteen but Steve you might say I thought Trump went twenty sixteen because you got all these new blue-collar crossover voters in Pennsylvania, and Michigan and Wisconsin. That helped him win in two thousand sixteen. But see there's a there's a fallacy out there. And it's being peddled by people who don't wanna listen to what the American people said, you know, the reason I kept telling Todd I was not gonna make any projections. This year is remember what I said all along. I'm not sure if my model is broken or if I've just I just read the electorate wrong, and I'm going to let them tell me what I should think. Right. I was going to let the electorate tell me, what did they changed? Not. They haven't changed. See the reason I can't speak for why Nate silver was wrong or the New York Times. Upshot was wrong. I can speak for why I was wrong. I was wrong because I bought into this fallacy that Trump. Was the paradigm change? No, he wasn't the reason. I bought into it is because he violated all these norms groping comments that one Mexican judge. You know, we I thought that mocking a disabled reporter I thought because he had violated all these norms. The that the metric changed didn't didn't make Hillary Clinton any more popular or any or any more like. He didn't change anything. He reset the board as it was. He was not the the paradigm shift. It's just most of the analysts work in the mainstream or legacy or liberal media. And so you don't see it because they're convicting about triple day. And they like Obama personally or his politics or both. So they don't wanna see it. But here's the thing. We've learned okay? This is the most important thing. I'm going to say in this hour. Donald Trump was not the paradigm shift. Brock Obama was. Donald Trump was not the paradigm shift. Barack Obama was Brock Obama won Indiana. Something a democrat had not done. Pre. Eisenhower. He won North Carolina. Something a democrat not done. Pre. Eisenhower. He turned Virginia into a swing state something that hadn't happened since reconstruction. He was the paradigm shift. Yes, he won the traditional we now believe why do we now think Virginia Ohio and Florida are the three big swing states. We didn't believe that in two thousand and we had the Florida recount we had two big swing states. Now there were other secondary swing states, Nevada, Colorado. But. Before Aaron became a age. What were we always told the two big swing states dot Florida and Ohio? Now, it's three Florida Ohio in Virginia. It wasn't always three it became three. Obama turn Virginia into a swing state. It'd been fairly reliable Republican state almost all of our lives until labata. It's just the guys in legacy media wanna believe that the world is they see it is the world. And so they don't wanna believe Obama is outside of the mainstream of most of America. But he was. Trump just put the board back to where it was before. If Trump had not reclaimed North Carolina. Ohio in Florida. He could've still won Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan still would've lost the election. Pennsylvania, wisconsin. And Michigan don't matter. If Trump doesn't win North Carolina, Florida No-ho. Another words. Trump won this same way anybody else. The Republicans were gonna nominate had to run. Something you've heard me say already on this show. Your hear me say it a lot between now and election day twenty twenty. Because the frosting of the cake taste different. Doesn't mean the cake has changed. If I buy a cake mix, and it's chocolate, and I put Carmel frosting on the cake. Is it a caramel cake? Todd, no know what kind of cake is it talk. It's still a chocolate cake. And the sense of the cake is not any different. Trump didn't change anything. That's the lie. Obama did. Trump won the same way. Any other Republican was gonna have to win hired turn out of white evangelical wind Catholics win middle class voters bring North Carolina Florida and Ohio back into the fold now that wouldn't have gotten him to to seventy but we would have had the same conversation that he's got to pick off a Colorado, a Pennsylvania. He's got to pick off somewhere else. Right. But if he doesn't do that it's a little bit. Like, it doesn't matter. How you play in the final four. If you don't win your regional got to get out of the first and second weekend. I remember when you guys be Kentucky. Yes, they run defeated the greatest team ever where they're going to be better than the seventy six hoosiers. Right. Here's a problem. You got to actually get to the championship game. I if you don't beat those plucky badgers. None of this matters for three months, right? That's what I'm talking about. Trump won the same way. Any other Republican nominated was going to have to win. He's not the paradigm shift. Obama was. Obama was the one that altered the map not Trump. We even saw this play out in two thousand eighteen member. I started to say the last few months of the election. I'm not gonna go on the record. I'm gonna keep my word. But I'm starting to sense that we're going to sit here the day after the election. We'll get the same results. We should have predicted January one. Democrats win the house because there's too many retirements districts that Hillary won and Republicans are gonna hold on if not gain a cedar three in the Senate because there's too many states with open contest in states, Trump one, right? We talked a lot about that. The last few months, we got up the next day after the election. What did we say? Exactly that don't believe anybody telling you the map is changed. Trump is changed the game. He didn't do any of that. Donald Trump won the same way. Any other Republican was going to have to win Trump's personality? The frosting on the cake is different. And if you put a strong frosting on something it might cause people who might otherwise like your cake, not to try it. Okay. That's true. I could argue that smooth out some rough edges. Trump would have won far more convincingly. He left votes on the table. He should've won by more could make that argument cake doesn't change still the same Kate. The American electorate is the cake. They haven't changed. The candidates are the frosting. That's what changes. So here's what's going to happen in two thousand twenty unless Bob Muller comes back with I have this uproot or film of. Vladimir Putin injecting heroin into Donald Trump's feigns. Or there's something none of us would want like another nine eleven, okay. Barring one of those two kinds of events. Here's what's going to happen on election day, twenty twenty. Pardon me, the Democrats nominate a likable inspirational figure, you know. Within political record, not likeable inspirational figure within political record is that reminds of anybody you can think of Obama. They nominate somebody like that a likable inspirational candidate, why a thin political record because Trump will not shy away from the culture where issues that the McCain's in Romney's didn't wanna touch with a ninety seven thousand foot pole. Trump's in for culture, war issues, guys. He's looking for him. Why? Because Romney and McCain wanted to be president. You don't get to where Romney and McCain did in life. If you're not competitive, but they're my Jim Harbaugh. They want to win in this box. Trump wants to win every box. Doesn't matter. Does. It doesn't matter. If it's a box. He's fine of it's a hexagon octagon rectangle mangle sh- medium. He doesn't care as long as he's the one at the end with the finger in the air. Like Joe name running off the field and Super Bowl three. That's all. He cares about. And if winning the White House requires him to culture war the poop out of Elizabeth Warren. I can promise you. He's gonna trademark FOCA hana's dot com and have it directed to her official campaign website, guys. I can promise you where Mitt Romney would stand up and say on FOX to Chris Wallace on a Sunday. I'm really disappointed at Rush Limbaugh uses those folk Hanis jokes, and we decided to be above that tell me I'm wrong. No, he'll do whatever it takes to win. He needs material though, because he's not likeable on his own because the frosting is strong. Trump is like a chocolate cake. With like. Ah Lim burger cheese frosting on it. Okay. It's an acquired taste. All right. It's still a chocolate cake frosting, though, you're like I can only take a little bit of that. So he needs a foil. He needs to be able to say better than Hillary better than folk on us better than Camila Harris better than Spartacus he needs that. Better than little little Marco better than lying, Ted better than low energy, Jeb. That's what Trump needs. But Han now, Hannam inspirational likable candidate who begins with way, high positives and favorables so they never have to get in the mud with Trump. I think they will win regardless of what the economy is the price of gases with the job rate is. If the Democrats nominated likable inspirational candidate, give me some names, I'll give you some Michelle Obama Oprah Winfrey. Progressive progressive figure in corporate America, who's not anti-capitalist. Jeff Bezos, Bob under-, Mark Cuban something like that. I think a win. If they nominate one of these elected officials who has a record, especially once we're on the record on the bread cavenaugh thing. Like, Kamala, Harris Spartacus, they're gonna lose. Because Donald Trump's gonna do them like he did the NFL. And but he's gonna do worse. He's going to do with the with the church design Wycliffe like he's going to he's going to burn them at the stake. And then dig up the remains and light him on fire again like right before election day. Okay. Toss him into the river. And then toss him into the river. Yeah. Okay. He needs that he wants. That's why John casick running is the perfect foil for him. It's gonna let Trump while while the Republicans route here caving on everything congress he's going to be out here. Running hard right up against John k six fake virtue, signaling Perot clutching Republican republicanism. Everybody hates hindrance who's a figure almost nobody likes anymore. Either. Perfect foil for him. He's John cases could Dr favorables up. If I didn't know any better. I think John casick was a double agent here. Because this is the perfect remedy give Trump of foil for the next four months while the Democrats over here, ripping each other's lungs out. No, I hate the Christians more white males more than you promise. You no one hates white men. More than me. I promise you burn down the church while they're all doing that. For the next six months. Trump's going to be over here club in John casick little baby seals on National Geographic channel in those Greenpeace propaganda propaganda films. Perfect perfect strategy. They need they need someone who's a political outsider. Who's likable inspirational with very thin political credentials to attack? Anybody who has a certified will record particularly being on the record in the Brett cavenaugh thing of. Yeah. I do think the guy was a gang rapist. What day was that? Again in nineteen eighty two that happened those guys he's gonna fry them. And it's gonna help him those because those kinds of candidates will help Trump message to white evangelical 's Catholics Todd goes to Costa mass with who'd love excuse to vote democrat, how many of the people in your parish would love that excuse many. But the problem is when things like Brett cavenaugh happen or peddling baby parts, suddenly they're like, yeah. I can't. Hope to mass. That's what happens to he's gonna draw. The he's that's why Trump the number one constituency group, according to the or the polls were before election day and on election day. Do you know who Trump over performed with more than anybody else? Catholics. He was losing them in every poll the whole year he won by nine on election day. And then middle class voters. They don't care about the culture war issues by in large. They don't most of them. Don't feel real welcome. Where I go to church or at the cow, Berkeley faculty meeting. They just want to know is my house gotta be worth more next year. And we'll have job. He's going to win those voters again against those kinds of candidates, but against an Oprah. I guess to Michelle Obama a bee's OSA Cuban somebody we can project our hopes in and and worldly desires upon he will be in trouble against that kind of candidate. Now, Mark the date, and we'll look at this again, two years. From now, gentlemen, your final thoughts on that. Do just favorability ratings is that what we're using. Okay. Yeah. I I don't I don't that's what happened with Barack Obama. I mean, there are so I I remember coming into I was still in high school when when he was elected, and I remember coming in to do orchestra or something and some of the a few of the people who had turned eighteen, but we're still in high school were relaying their votes for Barack Obama. And and describing just I just feel good it. You're absolutely right. Somebody who people can just project because that's aside from binary choice idolatry. That's basically what we do nowadays. That's the second. Biggest idol just self rejection just projecting. Whatever makes you feel good. That's that's going to be the Healy's. He'll for anybody who the Republicans nominate if the Democrats put somebody like that, you know, it was just late last week when I was talking about Barack Obama. And and when he was stammering through that speech. He gave. An ended with him. Who did he throw under the bus some, mama? Mom, Yami issues racists. He was just kind of searching. He's not some great linguist. He's not I and this all makes Steve's point while he was the paradigm shift. It's not because he was that unique. He just gave total depravity the package. It was safe to jump into at the moment. I mean, they're still warning signs. This is Romans one stuff. I mean, you're made to know you, it's all around you you you can see right? You can see wrong and Barack Obama suddenly gave more people a chance to jump in the fool the pool the full there. There's some truth for you is forty year, but it felt good to jump into Barack Obama. And that's the point you're making. If it feel Donald Trump did not make in any way. Way eliminate that or negated. He just kinda put a time out on it. Let us know what you think about what we think. Steve. It's days dot com is Email address on Facebook. Follow us on Twitter at Steve day show until tomorrow, John three seventeen. This is Steve day on the place where yo- network.

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The Endgame

Gaslit Nation with Andrea Chalupa and Sarah Kendzior

1:06:59 hr | 1 year ago

The Endgame

"Hello I'm nick. OFFERMAN WHITE MALE TRANSLATOR FOR GAS LIT nation to sum up this week's episode kleptocracy anywhere. There is kleptocracy everywhere and this is a transnational crime syndicate masquerading as a government. Thanks for listening Schneck. I'm Sarah the author of the bestselling essay collection view from fly of our country. And the upcoming book hiding in plain sight I'm Andrea Chalupa a journalist and filmmaker and the writer and producer of the upcoming journalistic thriller. Mr Jones and this is gasoline nation. A podcast covering corruption in the trump administration and rising autocracy around around the world as regular listeners. Know Gasoline nation has long stood in favor of impeaching the motherfucker and over the last three weeks. We finally saw it started to happen. Then I watched it in real time like a sucker but Andrea Luckily got to escape eleven hours per day of Gop. Hell and go abroad. So before we got into all the testimony and all the lies Andrea is going to tell us what she was up to while news was stalking her sister. Yeah that's it's always fun to travel abroad when the GOP the kremlin-backed gop is targeting. Someone you love because they always go after family As well as we say as we remind people on the show so I had a interesting trip I was invited abroad. These were invitations that were from the grassroots grassroots. Meaning were mouth is getting around about my film Mr Jones which is very much. A historical drama of how Kremlin is information and is aided by corruption. The West Kremlin propaganda cannot succeed without the help of the West. It's a mirror of what we're dealing with today. It's a beautiful film directed directed by Holland it one. Essentially the Oscar of Poland Polish Co production and interesting grassroots groups and vegetables invited me abroad including I'm starting with Poland which is dealing with its own Trumpian government that is trying to purge the judiciary their protests against that have have happened last few days so that was an interesting place to be during this time. I'm so I was invited to Warsaw for an incredible conference called outriders which seeks to to address how to essentially fix journalism and it brings together always an innovative minds from around the world on people who are confronting saving journalism realism. How to practice journalism today? And Twenty th century we had journalists that live in Sudan in Southeast Asia and all over the world dealing with their own hotspots and coming together and sharing really interesting insights into some canucks of regions of the world. And I was thrilled to be there. Inspired incredibly inspired spires. And that's why I gave a presentation on Mr Jones because it's a story that raises up the importance of investigative journalism. And how it's never been more dangerous time for journalism and we need it now. More than ever and one of the organizers of this festival turned out to be gasoline nation listener so that was really cool. Hello to you yaacob. In Warsaw and then I went to Norway to the incredible movies on war festival and Elvira Norway which is about an hour so outside of Oslo and movies on war is is essentially what gasoline nation would be a film festival. They bring all these incredible movies. That are confronting some really important important issues. So the two powerful documentaries for instance on Syria one is called the cave a documentary that I watched on a team of doctors in Syria including including a woman by the name of Amani Bowler who risk their lives saved countless countless people and it just shows their heroism under these extreme conditions. And of course again you see the courage of women under fire hiring women taking leadership roles running towards the danger and then another powerful film which I didn't see but I've heard a lot about which I think I look for being encourage people to see another incredible documentary humanity on Syria called four SOMMA. Four SOMMA is about a mother filmmaker in Syria who fell in love and had a daughter named Asama during the Syrian war. And she'll she picks up a camera in documents everything for her daughter. The film is called for Somma. It's a ton of awards tunnel of awards and is just such a beautiful and powerful for whatever documentation on what life was like inside. Syria is of a mother and capturing it off her daughter an important human rights record and so when I was at movies on war. Meeting with incredible organizers there including hosting hello oh stain another gasoline nation listener I gave AH presentation on my film Mr Jones which screened at the festival and one thing I pointed out is that you know my film. Mr Jones shows a documents essentially a horrific little-known genocide Stalin's genocide famine which killed millions of people in the Soviet Union in Nineteen thirty-three. The vast majority of the victims were Ukrainian and western Western journalists. Powerful Westerners including the New York Times helped the Soviet censors. Cover this up in exchange for greater access to the Soviet regime. This was a horrific extreme examples of the dangers of access journalism. And even though stall and got away with this mass murderer and the famine in Ukraine largely remained hidden for generations nations. My films still stands as an important testament to what was done so I held that up as an example of with these documentaries on Syria even though Syria is the world's Karma it is what is horrific. What has been done to Syrians and the Kurds? And so forth what the what Assad and Putin has done and the miscalculations by the West to try to stop this bloodshed Even though Syria's ongoing heartbreaking. It's absolutely beyond devastating. These documentaries are so oh so so essential in providing an independent record to give back dignity to the countless victims and their relatives for many generations to come and say yes. This did happen. Eyewitness accounts themselves but existence of eyewitness accounts themselves are hope I was very touched by documentaries and important reminder that regimes like Assad regime Putin's regimes they crumble under the weight of truth. And so that's why we need these eyewitness testimonies and need to preserve them. Because if Assad wins and it looks like he is. We've abandoned the Syrian people if Assad wins then generations from now if this odd family remains in control in Syria. They'll say none of this happened happened. The Whitewash Putin's regime whitewash it. So these documentaries are defiant. And they're the living truth and so people have to understand how important those types it works are then from Norway. I went to Helsinki Finland for another screening of Mr Jones which was organized by the crane community in Helsinki and and I opened up my remarks by saying that Mr Jones was energetically cleansing Helsinki after the Putin and trump summit. So the the audience like that. They appreciated that. And while in Helsinki I met a Finnish journalist who reported from Don boss which is a part of region of eastern Ukraine under Russian occupation. And she was telling me how it was was mad. Max over there with all these drunken or so so-called Russian rebels and then the Russian military is trying to really get them into line and discipline them. I'm to the point of just really taking the operation over because it was a Russian invasion of Ukraine first and foremost and they couldn't rely on the local population carry out this invasion themselves and they even released the prisoners to try to create more chaos and just the horrific stuff that she reported on from From Don Bosco so that was fascinating and then I came home home for Thanksgiving but on the other side of the world in Kiev. My Film Mr Jones premiered Hall and the director went out for the Premier James Norton The star are the film went out for the Premiere. Two key of it premiered in the largest theater in Ukraine. That was a huge to do. Because this movie was made for Ukrainians First and foremost and so it was incredibly moving experience to finally share it with them and I got a message from a journalist friend in Kiev Ukrainian journalists who wrote to me. I've seen the film she wrote Deirdre. I was the key of premier yesterday. Saturday and the movie was so powerful beautiful. I don't know how we all live without it. How much pain we were carrying inside the screening almost therapeutic effect? This is the movie ever. Ukrainian cranium will show their kids and grandchildren. It's that big important. My feeling was like always needed this story. We've always knew that story. We just didn't know how much we need it until we saw it. And so that is why we they say our matters and that is why we say that getting your voice out there providing an eyewitness testimony even through art is so powerful as an can't have a healing and therapeutic effect perfect so Mr Jones I'm happy to say is going to be playing in the Washington. DC area on December fifteenth. I'll be there for that screening to do q name and also Tuesday December seventeenth at the theater in silver springs. So please come around for that to finally see the film and then it goes to theaters across the US and the UK in two thousand twenty. Thank you for letting me catch up with you. It's been really sleepless and busy time so now on with the authoritarian weather report. Yeah No. I'm glad you brought up what you did. Because I think think it's important to remind our audience that we as Americans are not alone in this battle like this battle of Kleptocracy of authoritarianism of censorship of burying atrocities. Like we like you mentioned in Syria. The danger of that narrative being so distorted and twisted that overtime time can be forgotten. which honestly I think is a huge issue? That people don't address is what is going to happen with digital archives. What's going to happen with documentation of the twenty-first first century? Hope initially when all of these atrocities happen in Syria. That because they were documented that one people would act in that two people would would know the truth but because of the nature of digital media and the social media monopolies in government propaganda. We're in a real danger of that. And you know. I spent a lot of my career studying the massacre in news Pakistan in two thousand five which I doubt a lot of people know about and a lot of the reason people don't know Sousse Pakistan but to because all information about it was suppressed by the government except for the witnesses who then went online and they created blogs and they told their stories and they posted photos. A lot of that material is now gone because that's now well over ten years old and it's just disappeared over time but it's still very important and as respect stand stand is gradually opening. You know it's still an authoritarian state but not as brutal as it was under cream of the former dictator who died in two thousand sixteen. Hopefully see the full story of Andijan. We'll be told I always say it matters. It matters what all those whose Becca journalists have done for the last fifteen years to tell will that story even if it didn't seem like people are listening even if it didn't seem to make a difference in terms of how their government function matters inherently because the truth matters matters inherently and. That's something that we have to remember as we're bombarded with threats as we're bombarded with propaganda in our own country and and that we have allies facing abroad that we're in this battle but there is one quality that can link us together and that's the pursuit of the truth. Even if that truth is painful and speaking of painful we can talk about impeachment because one of the reasons that Andrea and I were demanding these hearings from the moment that the Democrats win. The House is because impeachment was an opportunity for different parties to tell their version of the facts or to present evidence in an environment that trump could not control. It was not like the one way mechanism of twitter where he just tweets shit out and people like try to decipher what the hell he means means and whether you know this may misplace comma means we're now nuking North Korea or whatever like this is a straightforward process. It's a routine. It's a congressional congressional method. It's extremely old school in trump's America to have such a formal procedure nonetheless because the Kremlin lackey. GOP was involved. It's still managed to be shit show that still presented very relevant testimony in points due to the high quality. Witnesses is that were on the stand before we get to those witnesses like Maria. Venevision Gordon Sunland few on a hill and so on. We're going to talk about all of them. If you are familiar familiar the show. You're probably wondering what the hell was going on with Devon Nunez the GOP congressman who began every impeachment hearing hearing by rattling off a series of Kremlin talking points like he was the dummy of aboard ventriloquist and the main talking point he kept coming back to the one that he just could not get enough of was Andrea sister. Alexandra Chalupa violating their own guidelines Democrats repeatedly redacted from the transcripts descript. The name of Alexander Lupu they farmed fractured it for the Democratic National Committee who worked with officials of the Ukrainian embassy in Washington. DC in order to smear ear the trump campaign in two thousand Alexander Chalupa a contractor for electronic election meddling scheme with Ukrainian officials on the Alexandra Blue Personal Democratic National Committee operative who colluded with Ukrainian officials to smear the trump campaign worked with Ukrainian embassy officials to spread dirt with Ukrainian officials to collect dirt on the trump campaign. Turn on the trump all which were aimed at the trump campaign in an effort to influence. Not only the. US voting population nation but the US government. You mentioned about these matters. Within Ukrainian Ambassador Challenge is actions appear to show that she was simultaneously working on behalf of a foreign government. Ukraine lupus activities were one of several indicators of Ukrainian election meddling in two thousand sixteen which she provided to the DNC on behalf of the DNC. She passed onto the DNC of the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign. The first question I have is were you aware the anti trump efforts by DNC operative. ALEXANDRA CHALUPA MR homes. Have you met with or do you no Alexandra Chalupa no same question for you. Dr Hill You know or have you met with Alexander Chiluba. Did you know of Anti I. Trump efforts by various Ukrainian officials as well as Alexander Chalupa. DNC consultant now not aware Juno of anti-trump efforts by various Ukrainian Iranian government officials as well as Alexander Chalupa DNC consultant. I'm not aware of any of these interference efforts ambassador Taylor you testify to this committee. See that you only recently became aware of reports of this operation between Ukrainian embassy officials and Chalupa to under mind the trump campaign last deposition. Correct Mr it is corrected. I had not known about this before I just going over. Your last step is exactly Sandra what is going on here and why is Devin. Nunes obsessed with your sister. Because he's creepy. And I have a right to give my opinion on that Devon UNESCO UNISOM live in a free country and stop trying to turn us into Putin's Russia. I think what's getting lost in all. This is that trump's Republican party because the Republican Party Ardi is now in service to Donald Trump. He's invaded full-on. Donald Trump is the end game of how the Republicans have been treating our democracy. I've in treating American people. It's the end game. He's the Frankenstein monster that the tea party created a coke created and so forth. So now they're all in they're all out in the open with phobia and misogyny and authoritarian instincts. All of it is out in the open and so they are not only in service at trump trump is trump is in service to Putin. So now you have the Republican Party being essentially a propaganda weapon that's furthering the Kremlin's interests and they're carrying out the Kremlin's playbook by targeting my sister this is a strategy as has been reported on as anybody who's been paying attention could tell you this is is a strategy that was first and foremost led by Paul Metaphor. Who's now in prison? This is retaliation for my sister telling anybody who would listen including Republicans in two thousand sixteen. She tried to warn Republicans in two thousand sixteen. She warned journalists. He warned anybody. That would listen that Paul Metaphor is essentially Putin's operative operative and if he's running Donald Trump's campaign that means the Kremlin is running Donald Trump's campaign. Anybody who's paying close attention to Ukraine knew that Paul Manafort it was the was close consultant to Yanukovych Putin's puppet in Ukraine. And so. This was obvious to anybody who's paying attention. And so this is just retaliation plain and and simple that came from Paul manafort himself and Paul Manafort having been on a ten million dollar a year contract from Putin's close oligarchy are poss- two thousand six. He's carrying out out this corruption carrying out this violence against democracy like he has against so many countries in parts of the world as a blood money lobbyists he's doing it to further the Kremlin's interested destabilize and divide Hoon's opponents. He did this in Ukraine. It's a same Klay Book and so the GOP deb Nunez carrying out. Paul manafort playbook is carrying out. Who's playbook because that is who Paul Manafort wasn't service to serve as far as we know since two thousand six and you can you bunk some of these myths that they've been saying about your sister? I just WanNa make sure our audience because they may have been absorbing the fascist material of not only the gop but a bunch of bro Pundits. It's who among other things cannot distinguish between you and your sister. Can you just kind of a break down some of these myths that she went to Ukraine. Like all this kind of Shit. It's it's been horrendous. I mean everybody knows that we talk a lot about on this show. How journalism is shrinking? Newsrooms are shrinking reporter jobs disappearing. I know a lot of excellent reporters. And Editors who've who've been pushed into other industries because they simply cannot afford to work in journalism at any longer the jobs are just disappearing and as a result what you have are is a smaller watchdog dog and journalism jobs that are remaining are predominantly white and predominantly male and. That's just to say we were getting our news through a white male Lens. We're getting our news through a privileged changed Lens. And so what happens if you look at studies that women even women political reporters get cut out of these conversations. What you have is an echo chamber of white men in the political arena? Lena political journalism just talking to each other and so what's been really interesting and that is they keep repeating things like using my name instead of my sister's his name because they've seen me on twitter so they're not really bothering for whatever reason because their lives are not going to be impacted by trump and his policies they're not being harassed just by the Kremlin's active measures. They're not having state sponsored hacking on their emails. They're not on the front lines of this because they're white males who are privileged in our society and who by the very nature of that privilege have more far more credibility. They have more weight in what they do. And say. And it's the historically historically marginalized groups marginalized groups like women and people of Color that are on the frontlines of this growing threat but the word terrorism in America. And so my sister's story Ori is just being treated like entertainment. She's being dehumanized for instance. She called me because she's watching. CNN and on CNN she witnesses John King of CNN CNN. Say that he got confirmation that Alexandra Chalupa went to Ukraine to dig up dirt on Paul Manafort. What a thoughtless stupid thing to say? Because my sister has never in her life life even been to Ukraine. And this is what the Manafort Hannity Giuliani. Playbook is trying to do. They're trying to get my sister into legal trouble trouble by making her out to be a Ukrainian. Paul manafort trying to equate her work with Paul Manafort. They're trying to get her for Fara. They're trying to build her up as some giant beast of a political consultant who has furthering the interests of the Ukrainian government against the US interests. So they're trying to make out to be a Paul Manafort right which is insane insane. Because she's like mom who lives in DC just for those who haven't listened to our prior episodes and by the way we did a full length interview with Alexander Chiluba. I think it's the only one one out there where she tells her own side of the story in her own words and Andrea sister is a mom who has worked on an office a political consultant. She's not a DNC DNC operative. She did not travel to Ukraine. She was not secretly passing around documents. Like the myth of your sister is absolutely commended. And like you said it's coming from the Kremlin because I think the average American when they were hearing Nunez route off that name they had no idea like what the hell well he was talking about like. This is just a flip the script method. It's a method to try to have show trials and to try to create some sort of mirror image of manafort. But my God like Manafort is a career dirty operative. He ran a group called the torturers lobby. He's like seventy years old. He's been doing doing this for decades like to even try to put the similarity with your sister like would be hilarious if she weren't actually endanger. And if all of these moronic journalist didn't keep botching very basic facts about her situation that put both you and her endanger exactly and so John John King on CNN saying this then gets echoed by Glenn Greenwald on twitter saying that my sister was a DNC operative that went to Ukraine to ebbed manafort. So Glen this gets repeated by Glenn Greenwald and then you have people like Seth Abramson saying as a matter of fact that was in full on says on twitter and a single tweet is part of one of his many threads that he does. It is indeed a fact that my sister was a well paid consultant for the DNC. Well paid okay. Okay so seth Abramson. If you're a fan of Seth Abramson if you loved Abramson it thinking can do no wrong will just understand that this is a cautionary tale. Of how insidious Kremlin propaganda is that he could even infect people that we look up to or people look up to four the truth. Okay so if you're a fan of Seth Abramson awesome just know that this is a cautionary tale that nobody is immune to Kremlin disinformation. How it works because what he is repeating in a single tweet and it doesn't matter if it's part of a larger threat where he's trying to debunk trump's defense? By going. After my sister it does not matter a single tweet out there. That is pushing Kremlin propaganda. far-right disinformation that. Single tweet. The way the world works in the twentieth century. That's a little tweak an easily be taken out of context easily easily cherry-picked and putting some breitbart piece then goes viral and gets spread around and that is how the Cesspool works. He refused to correct this information saying that my sister will oh she was a well paid consultant who did work with Ukrainian number seated. And that's all bullshit that is all bullshit. So what he's referring to is Ken. Vogel's original politico politico piece which we have good reason to believe was a hit piece placed by Paul Manafort himself because around the time can mogul came around to interview my sister. She heard it from a friend that the trump transition was asking around about her and trying to dig up dirt on her and then Ken Vogel Shows Up to interview her and twists her words and botches his article which has been the focus obsession session of and Handy and John Solomon formerly of the hill and and the whole Cesspool of the far-right propaganda machine. And it's the only thing they have to go on in in this article. Ken Vogel took my sister's entire salary over a twelve year period. Working for the DNC took her entire salary over a twelve year period. Area D- And lumped into one single. Some four hundred thousand dollars or so and the GOP the RNC even took that number saying put into a meam that they blasted lasts it out on social media to try to make my sister look as though she got four hundred thousand dollars from the DNC. She got that over a twelve year period. And if you had it all up it's thirty four thousand dollars a year and in fact I can tell you personally. Speaking one of the biggest issues I've had with my sister over the years. Here's is that she was working herself to death for the DNC because she's family there she's been there for most of her career and she'd put an all these long hours being. She's that person that stays late to help out our colleagues and I was giving her so much over the years she was running herself on the ground working too hard getting sick in that she needed to take better care of herself. She's that kind of worker. She's that person in the office. I always be there for you. And she was getting paid shit. In my opinion. She's getting paid far less than she deserved. And now these ostler taking her entire salary over a twelve year period and putting into one single lump sum and spreading disinformation that she was a well-paid operative that ben gets repeated by Seth Abramson. And when we ask him to correct it he refuses uses an and he and I. It was just heartbreaking. Because here I was in Helsinki. It was midnight one. Am I had to catch a flight and a couple of hours. I was basically not gonNa Asleep that night. I was lucky if I got four hours. And I'm on the phone with my sister. WHO's so upset? Because Seth Abramson is pushing information about her and he refuses to correct did it and I'm up on twitter. Late nights sleep deprived trying to ask you to please correct this. And he refuses to talk to her and he has some weird defense saying being matt. My sister even offering speak with him like you should speak to the Senate committee or something some weird thing where he refused to talk to her and actually treated it as abnormal normal. That shoot even want to talk to him. If he is a journalist it'd be claims to practice. Journalism journalists issue corrections all the time all journalists make mistakes or covering complex. Excuse and mistakes happen you address them and you correct them and it happens. You just need a fix it. It's not a big deal. There's no reason to be ashamed because it happens to everyone the only reason to be ashamed as when you know you've made a mistake and you refused to correct it and you refused to talk to the source. And all he had gone my sister and she would walk him through. That's not correct. They took my entire salary. Twelve year period and this is just simply not correct and she even gave him a her statement from CNN where she tried to correct these things and he you just treated it for some inexplicable reason as it confirmed what he was saying which was simply false. I don't WanNa get into over Seth Abramson but I'm not interested in that. What would it really hurt me? Is that when we try to correct this people trashed us and kept saying stupid things like. Oh but it's part of a larger thread defending your sister. My it doesn't matter as a single tweet out there that were set. AP's and treats as fact deliberate disinformation against her. That's simply false else simply falls right and it wasn't even the only error he made. He also said she was a reluctant witness whereas she is consistently said yes. I will testify. Yes I want to tell my story. I mean that's the great irony of your sister. Situation is from the start. She hasn't trying to tell people the truth. She tried to tell people the truth about Manafort. She tried to tell them the truth. About trump. In the Kremlin. She tried to tell them the truth about her own situation. Her own experience and generously reached out politely to try. Eighty get seth to take this liable content down and he refused. You know and there's another tweet. He put up where he put your name instead of her name. You know L.. Which is obviously wrong? He's one of many kind of Bro Journalists to do this. They're mad iglesias. Did the same thing Josh. Marshall did the same thing refused to correct correct as well Jon Favreau to the same thing and thankfully he did correct it. John Rose Credit. Jon favreau apologize which I appreciate at this point any acknowledgment from a white male in media I appreciate so. We're not mad at him because he gives as you said everybody makes mistakes but it is to correct them. And the thing that makes this so detestable is that your sister's life has been threatened and for three years and your life by proxy because people keep mistaking the the two of you has been threatened for three years and so for him to both Botch your name. Say That you in fact her then botch her story echoing. GOP and Kremlin propaganda that has prompted death threats to her and then she reaches out and it's like please please change this like you need to actually be accurate and he comes comes up with some horse shit about. Oh it's I'm not an investigative reporter. I don't talk to actual humans. I'M A curatorial journalists. Which is insane? It's an extension of this extremely creative in euphemistic way of lying and admitting that he was lying he did the same thing back in twenty sixteen when he was he basically claimed that if he says enough times that Bernie Sanders is winning the election. Then it becomes reality that there's no such thing as his truth that there's just repetition of facts to create a new reality. Well guess who else is doing that. Trump that is literally trump's strategy. She is getting out there and saying what I say is true is true. It doesn't matter what the actual truth is what you see with your eyes what you hear with your ears. What has actually happened in has been documented? What I say is true is true and the people who get away with Shit like this as you say are almost always white men because they're given given this false authority? They're giving this false sense that oh well they must really know best you know versus these hysterical women or these people of Color on on and on like we've seen this throughout American history. That's why when you read American history textbooks. They're often full of lies because they're written by the winners and the winners were often people who beat into submission others and then lied about the fact that that was done and so this is just an extension of that seem seem mindset and it's deeply troubling like this is not a story where you can get things wrong. We're these little mistakes. They might seem little to others. They're not little title to the person that they're happening to. And we've seen this with everybody implicated in this. We saw this throughout the impeachment hearings with the lies about marine. You'll Vanna Vich with lies and threats towards fee on a hill with lies towards Alexander Finland you know many of which just like the attacks on your sister had to do with their ethnicity like the everyone I just listed is an American. Everyone just listed is fighting on behalf of America's fighting for American democracy. Yet they're called you know Ukrainian cranium and in Finland's case antisemitic remarks that requesting is loyalty. We're also made and it's part of a broader narrative and so those who deign I mean to say that they are investigating the complexities of the story and breaking them. Down need to be very careful and of course when a person actually implicated needed in the story reaches out to you. Yes you should listen to them. It doesn't mean you need to like worship them or agree with them or anything like that but you have an obligation to hear it out and if it's something that can be objectively proven like a salary. Then yes you need to corrective. We will link in the show notes for this episode. The tweets that that were referring to. That's between and my sister. And me and Seth Abramson so people can follow this and see that. We're not making this really did happen. And also will link to an essays. Seth Abramson wrote where he did state about truth being relative and if you say something enough times it becomes true. So what is Seth Abramson going to do keeps repeating over and over again that my sister was well indeed a high paid consultant. And that's GonNa make it true. He just says it enough times when that's simply false here. It'd be Super Nice if he could. I hope that Seth Abramson can redefine reality and just keeps tweeting that we're all millionaires and then suddenly money appears in our accounts. I would be okay with its magic chick like a little Jeannie. We just say the name three times and money pours from the sky and I have to tell you. If you're a fan of Seth Abramson like some people are attacking us in saying. He's a curatorial journalist. Let me tell you something. A curatorial journalists his defenders were saying he pulls information and brings it together that is called analysis. He did not invent that that already exists. It's called analysis so if he's trying to invent this new phrase curatorial journalist which basically. We says that he doesn't have to talk to sources he doesn't have the issue corrections that's not journalism that's simply not journalism that's performance art. And I can tell you I was was having brunch with a couple friends including one. WHO's a producer for an excellent one of the few excellent cable? TV New shows shows. It's covering all this whole nightmare and doing an extraordinary job. It's a show we all know and love and we're sitting there. Somebody asked the question you know. What do you guys think of Seth Abramson then and the Cable News TV producer? And I kind of got politely quiet and then I finally spoke up and said what we were both thinking which was he does a good job in researching and raising questions questions that need to be raised but but he often crosses the line in a way that makes you uncomfortable and detracts from the good work that he does and the Cable News TV producer said. Yeah absolutely absolutely. That's it and a very clear example of this. The molar report when the Miller report finally came out. Seth Abramson did four hundred tweet thread. I have no idea what what he actually tweeted about. But I do know that he did a four hundred tweet thread. Do you see what I'm saying. His antics distract from the actual work itself. And so what we're covering is very sensitive and it's difficult to believe the facts themselves are difficult to believe so we don't need anything that could be confused for performance are added on top of it because it distracts tracks from the larger story. and unfortunately seth Abramson benchers willingly into that territory and he really treats not as journalism but as some weird performance art sometimes times and it's to his own detriment he's holding himself back by doing this and if he can just Sarah and I try to come to our own work with humility we try. We Make Nick Own mistakes. We you know we we deal with as we go along. That's how you learn and get better and and so upset. Abramson could take that spirit and sort of approach has worked with greater humility and practice actual journalism by talking to sources and issuing corrections. It would be a lot better for him so if you support him and the work. He's doing understand that I'm bothering even talk about this to try to help him really just just to try to help him do better and not hold himself back and help any of these people because it's not like he's unique. He could this respect and I think to some degree everybody is is limited and harmed by the architecture of twitter and by the fact that tweets can be taken out of context. Even when they're in a thread they become weaponized outlets like bright bar and rt they can be faked. But what you're going to do if you're going to be a quote secure journalists which which is an analyst which is a good thing to do it's good to analyze these works first of all you need to look at all of the works that are available and then you need to analyze analyze them in the proper context so when you're looking at a report for example by Ken Vogel who has been revealed as a propagandist. You need to keep that context of like why. Why did he write? This article is the information in this article accurate and of course any historian will tell you you need to look at primary sources you could do not ignore primary sources and in this case the primary source was literally sitting on twitter. Like your sister was reaching him but there are also interviews. That she's done on you know in her own words like the ones she did for our show where there's a transcript where she breaks down some of these issues and if you're going to be comprehensive like you really have to be comprehensive Aubrey hence if if your goal is just to curate then you need to read everything and you need to be thorough and you can't just pick weird little pieces that fit a preconceived narrative narrative in your head because honestly you know we need more analysis. We need good thorough analysis. And it's a shame that so many that could be doing that to the service of the country have just chosen a different path. Should we get into the the hearings themselves. Yell at sounds good all right so did anything nothing in particular. Stand out to you. Any particular testimony the endgame of this which was stated by the witnesses. We look at Alexander Bandmann in his opening statement. He said the privilege of serving my country not only rooted in my military service but also my personal history. I sit here as Lieutenant Colonel in the United States army an immigrant my my family fled the Soviet Union. When I was three and a half years old these are immigrants that escaped look at midnight and I look at my sister? We keeps being brought up in this testimony. The Soviet Union and the trauma of that loomed large over our family. Our parents were born in a refugee camps. When my mom I came to New York City by ship I think she's The statue of Liberty in so I think that's so important to remember is like why these people like Alexander van men are risking their lives and their careers by speaking out is because they understand what the end game is Ab- Donald Trump if he goes unchecked? So what we're seeing now this authoritarian. WanNa be putting his Blazer Puerto Propaganda machine against private citizens and destroying their lives and making them traumatizing them and their families. There's a great interview. That mal young fasted with Lisa page in the daily beast which goes into this in heartbreaking detail heart wrenching detail and so if Donald Trump wins if you steals another election listen if he steals the twenty twenty presidential election. It's going to be a floodgate of horror. If you think that the idiots are in power now wait until they steal steal a second term. It's going to be game over for us. I don't know how he would survive that way. The best chance we have as always going on and on in the show is the best chance. So you have against authoritarianism. The vaccine against is community. And that's why we're always going on and on and on about getting involved locally where you live on the state level because if we lose the federal government the best protection you have is to make yours your state as blue and progressive and activated as you can as a shield as a defense against what's happening in Washington because it's GonNa it's GonNa be worse than what we even have now. Yeah no I agree that no I wanted to read a little bit while you're gone. I wrote a few beds for the globe and Male and one of them was on Maria. Vich who like Alexander van men and like your parents is originally from Ukraine and has seen firsthand not just due to her heritage but also because her service abroad in other former Soviet authoritarian or semi-authoritarian states places leases like Kirghistan. She seeing the brutality. That these regimes can enact she can see how long dictators can linger. I think that that's something something. Americans often don't quite grasp like they think that because we've had a long history of changing out leaders every four to eight years and not having a complete the overthrow of our constitutional principles but once a dictator gets in. It is very hard to get them out and life will still go on. You know. You'll still well. I guess I mean in most cases see your friends. Raise your kids eat your meals. You know you'll suffer. You'll lose your freedom. You'll lose many of your resources. Your material Israel possessions and. I'm not saying that a lot of this has already happened in the United States. But it's different under authoritarianism and it's much more difficult to fight back against because you lose is that basic freedom of speech and what I wrote about her testimony because both for for her and for Vigne broke my heart to hear this to hear of these immigrants coming to the US or their parents coming to the US in search of safety only to have that horror come home and so I wrote there is nowhere where for Maria benefits to go. There is no longer refuge in this world like many Americans. She lives in a simulation of democracy dependent on the refusal of elites to admit the severity of the crisis vantage swore to tell the whole truth but to tell. The whole truth is to terrify everyone to tell the whole truth is to say what officials gloss gloss over but what citizens can see this is a transnational crime syndicate masquerading as the government. There is nowhere Maria Vich can be safe because trump is is everywhere. His criminal colleagues are everywhere. And when one of them gets imprisoned like Russian operative Paul Manafort Trump's campaign manager who worked for Kremlin interest in Ukraine Ukraine others like trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani and his indicted latkes left Parnassus and Eager Freeman. Take their place then. One last point Democratic Democrats leaders claim they want to limit the scope of impeachment proceedings to trump's twenty nine thousand nine Ukraine shakedown. But that's both impossible and insulting the twenty nine thousand nine. Ukraine crain's shakedown is a continuation of the two thousand sixteen election heist which was a continuation of trump's lifelong deference to the Kremlin and his schemes with corrupt actors from the former. USSR limiting impeachment scope does a grave disservice to people whose lives are endangered by the unwillingness of officials to who examined crimes in context and the refusal of institutions to hold perpetrators accountable. So again when Andrea and I are going on about the need to to tell the truth to be forthright to be thorough like we're not just nitpicking. This jeopardizes people's lives the lies in the propaganda. And yes the sloppiness jeopardizes people's lives and that is one of the reasons that these testimonies are so important and even though they're lengthy even though they gone for an exhausting amount of time it is cheer benefit to watch them like. This is one of the few venues we have left where people can tell their side of the story Ori whether that includes the gop rambling on or or whether it includes you know the Democrats trying to bring accountability in some form or whether it includes. It's neutral arbiters which is really the defining characteristic of this group of witnesses minus Gordon Sunland. WHO's a scumbag? But the others were career bureaucrats as soon as I said in a previous episode. I think one of the reasons they were selected is because fryer notable hearing subjects like James Comber Michael Cohen come with incredible baggage. And you know I strongly think that these current hearings needs to be linked to those prior testimonies into the broader story. Story of the Kremlin attacking the United States. Like that is what this is about. I do think the strategy if there is one that the Democrats are employing was to bring out. People like Fiona Hill re events. You have just impeccable credentials. who have no history of partisanship or bias and have them speak? Speak to the American people and I think it's effective but I mean we're we're up against a lot. We're up against a propaganda deluge and we're up against incredible audible abuse of power in unwillingness still among the Democrats to admit how dire things are and how high the stakes are. There's just not room for error exactly so we also had some breaking news out From the Great Natasha Bertrand who is is a phenomenal reporter and because he's a phenomenal reporter she's one of the few reporters that my sister will actually get on the phone with and trust because that's why actually practicing journalism and adhering hearing to the laws of journalism where you issue corrections when needed you talk to sources you try to always keep in mind that you're dealing with real people's lives in your reporting first and foremost Natasha Bertrand has very long track record of doing that. And that is why my sister will get on the phone with her and trustor so if you have that track record as a journalist is to your own benefit in anywhere goes. We'll follow her. 'cause she's jumped around from different outlets but she's the one that you know will invest in. because she it gets it. She's a true journalist. She's fantastic and so she wrote her port for Politico and I'll read from it now because this is really interesting that this was leaked by somebody. The Republican Republican controlled Senate. Intelligence Committee thoroughly investigated that theory. The theory of Ken Vogel's Political Article That my sister and Ukraine colluded colluded in two thousand sixteen election to help Hillary and hurt trump and according to people with direct knowledge of the inquiry they found no evidence that Ukraine waged a top down interference campaign akin to the Kremlin's efforts to help trump win in two thousand sixteen. The committee's Republican Chairman Richard Burr of North Carolina said in October. Two thousand seventeen that the panel will be examining quote coercion by either campaign during the two thousand sixteen elections but an interview that fall with a democratic consultant at the heart of the accusation. That Kiev meddled Alexandra Chalupa was fruitless. A A committee source said and Republicans didn't follow up or any more witnesses related to the issue. The Senate interview largely focused on a political article published in January two thousand seventeen and written by Ken Vogel. According to a person with direct knowledge that closed door hearing in which Chiluba was quoted as saying officials other Ukraine Embassy. Were helpful to her effort to raise as alarm about trump's campaign chairman Paul Manafort Twenty sixteen in her Senate testimony Chiluba denied serving as an intermediary between the embassy and the DNC and said she had been targeted by a Russian active measures campaign. Intelligence officials have since brief senators on Russia's attempts to pin blame the twenty six th interference on Kiev as part of a disinformation operation according to a source familiar with the briefings which were first reported by the New York. Times Chiluba confirmed Natasha Bertrand that she was questioned by the panel. So this the bunks. Even Seth Abramson ends attempts to Waddell into this this is basically look motherfucking set Abramson the Republicans themselves looked into my sister's story. The Republicans themselves a looked into Ken vocals. vogels bullshit hippies on my sister and found nothing there there was nothing there because this is a disinformation campaign. Driven by Paul. MANAFORT and the Kremlin first and foremost again when buzzfeed published the steele dossier in January. Two thousand seventeen Putin Sean Hannity on Russian state media did a TV we segment blaming my sister and me as accomplice for creating this whole Russia trump scandal. Okay this is an entire information campaign led by Manafort and the Kremlin Amblin and Yussef Abramson are not immune to it and so many others are not immune to it and that is the problem that is why gasoline nation exists. Why we have to keep talking about this and confronting it because no no one is immune to it? That is the point this gets even the people that are you know spending tons of time trying to follow all this one more thing on a add to this because I I think it needs to be emphasized strongly as the GOP knows your sister didn't do anything wrong like as you just said and is now public information. She was already cleared so when they go out there. You know dropping this propaganda and these lies. It's not because they genuinely are wondering or are concerned -cerned about corruption or a concern about Ukraine or even concern about your sister. I mean they often botch her name so badly. That they're saying she's Alexander you know they're saying that she's a man because these are talking points that they are handed their talking points that are designed by the Kremlin and their lackeys whether Hannity or Manafort that they are just reciting like little puppets and I also need to emphasize here that while they are doing this they themselves are implicated in this conspiracy spiracy. And there's no greater example of this then your sister's stocker Devon Nunez who midway through the impeachment hearings was revealed to have the needing with Giuliani's partners his indicted partners. There's an article in the daily beast. That says I'm going to read a small passage. Left Parnasse in indicted associated Rudy thirty. Giuliani helped arrange meetings and calls in Europe for Representative Devon Nunez in two thousand eighteen congressional records show. Nunez traveled to Europe from November remember thirtieth to December third twenty eighteen three of his aides. Harvey Scott Claybin. George Pappas traveled with per the records. US government funds paid for the group's his four-day trip which cost over J- just over sixty three thousand dollars so if you're obsessing about salaries and expenditures you might WanNa take a look at that and so as this is happening as Nunez is revealed to have been colluding with Giuliani's indicted goon squad. He is overseeing the the impeachment hearings and you know this is mind blowing. The should really gravely concerned Americans. Not just that. It's happening now that we have so many members of the GOP who are in this crime colt surrounding trump. And whose loyalties appear to extend to the Kremlin and you know. I think there are various reasons for for that some of it is threats fearsome as opportunism. I think a lot of it has to do with dark money being pumped into their campaigns and basically making them contaminated but this is something where the Democrats need to fight back in a few of them. Did you know Eric. Swallow all got up and entered that article that I read part of into the congressional record because because they need to establish the extent of criminality. That's happening here. Like these are not differences of opinion being expressed at these hearings. These are a political maneuvers. Being part of the hearings they turn the impeachment hearings into show trials that is the goal of newness it certainly the goal. Well of people like Bill Barr. Who as I talk is out there putting out legal propaganda which is more dangerous than media propaganda because he actually can have the power to rewrite the law to creatively exonerate the guilty and to persecute the innocent? That is the goal and that is what they're going to try I to use these hearings for and we did a little mini episode after the first set of hearings just to get our initial thoughts out where you pointed out that the house needs to keep deep these hearings going for as long as possible for numerous reasons first because this Ukraine crisis is obviously tied in to the broader twenty 2016 crisis and the decades of trump and manafort and other people's links to Kremlin linked organized crime. That is what is at the heart of the story that needs to be brought out into the open molar failed Komi failed the FBI failed. It needs to be revealed in full to the public on the congressional record. He also needs to be impeached for other crimes like abusive migrants at the border abuse of the pardon power these are very serious offenses and they need to be. I stopped now. The abuse of migrants at the border. The separation of families needs to be stopped now but we also need to set a precedent. Because if we're ever going to get out of this is there's going to be another president. They need to not have this ability to look back at this time and shrug and be like well. Congress said it was okay or this is an an acceptable pattern of behavior because what people are gonNA remember in decades from now is not going to be like the minutia of the Ukraine transcript of trump's little the conversation with Zilenski. What they're going to remember is that children died in cages on the border of Texas and Mexico? They're going to remember that breastfeeding breastfeeding infants. Were wrenched out of their mother's arms and taken away and then that parent was deported. And that people just sat back and they did nothing and they let it happen and they said Oh we don't WANNA get into a partisan disputes are all we need to just focus on one issue for impeachment like the depravity. The heartlessness on display here is so vile and so yes. We need to keep these impeachment hearings going for that reason but you also so pointed out Andrea that when we get to the Senate. We're going to have a new series of problems due to Mitch McConnell. Do you want to expand on that point because I thought that was. There's an interesting observation right. I mean the reason why the house wants to keep impeachment for as long as possible because when it goes to the Senate. It's going to be full blown. Banana the republic because Mitch McConnell who has no morals as corrupt as he's part of this coalition of corruption him and his wife so as soon as this goes to the Senate what's going to happen is is there going to basically bring in people like my sister and just try to terrorize her. And you're not GonNa have an Adam Schiff following following procedure and the rule of law and refusing to allow witnesses to be intimidated in the halls of Congress and so forth. And it's is just going to be a bloodbath on our democracy under Mitch McConnell's watch because that's how they are. The Republicans were are aligned with Putin because they behave like Putin there's no middle ground with them they push for everything they want everything as you said earlier mentions Linski. It is so deeply unfair for anybody anybody to ask Dolinsky to clear the record on what really happened. Between him and trump he simply cannot do that. Ukraine is dependent on the. US is one of its largest are just donors and for him to say anything that might anger a mob boss Russian mafia mobbed up President Donald trump who is beyond vindictive. Who's had an enemies list that he acts on for years that's intimidation and blackmail all of it? So Linski is a hostage in this situation. He has the lives of his citizens literally on the line. And what Russia has been doing is continuing. It's an invasion. You have these so-called humanitarian trucks. That are just massive. Convoys of big trucks filled with supplies that had been crossing the border from Russia into Russian occupied Ukraine. And we've just in the last month alone had swarms of these trucks entering the Don boss area I'm reading now from one information agency out of Ukraine in the ninety third humanitarian convoy quote unquote sit a forty two trucks. The press service of the cranium Border Guard Service said the Russia Sends 92nd Dear God so this is very dangerous for Ukraine so what Putin can do and what Putin has done is openly attacked Ukraine as we saw in the Kerch Strait and he can push deeper or and grab more territory kill more Ukrainians and so forth so again. Donald Trump's presidency comes with a massive body count from the Kurds in Syria to to the children on the border to Ukrainian soldiers that were desperately needed. US aid that was held up so donald trump and his goon squad could extort the president of Ukraine. So this is unbelievably dire. The situation that we're in that's one of these things lost in all of this kind of partisan in maneuvering in this horse race coverage of both the twenty two thousand election but also impeachment ridiculous articles. Like how is it affecting the views of the Democrats. Let's and how is it affecting whether people will turn out to vote like the fate of the free world is at stake like. I don't know how to overstate this. I don't want to state this in a way that please down atrocities that have been committed by the American government whether in other countries are on our own country but we are heading as a world old in a new direction a direction guided by but not limited to the machinations of the Kremlin were guided by a Transnational Crime Syndicate Syndicate that has infiltrated multiple governments. you're seeing it in the UK. You're seeing it now. In France where you see mccrone basically capitulating to Putin over NATO. We saw in Poland in Hungary we see it in Turkey. We see it in in longstanding authoritarian states like Saudi Arabia. We see it in states like Israel where they Netanyahu will simply not leave despite his indictments. It's this consolidation of corruption and it has very real human consequences says as people go on about. ooh We'll Ukraine catch on with Americans Ukrainians are dying and have been for half a decade. Since Russia invaded waited in Crimea and then began to escalate its war because of the failure of the West to step in. You know that failure of the West. It's the same in Syria. Yeah it's the same in Ukraine and eventually it will be the same in the West as we get devoured from within by complicit actors. And you know that is one of the reasons it it is so important for the propaganda and the narratives that are allowing these atrocities to take place to kind of go under the radar even though that seems almost impossible postle because there are so horrific. You'd think everyone would be watching them. They get glossed over they. Become you know political talking points instead of crises crises that humanity should be addressing. And you know one thing to just briefly common again on the hearings where we saw the immediate value of it is after the hearings a lot of of GOP representatives went on to reiterate this talking point that it was Ukraine who interfered in the two thousand sixteen election that Ukraine was to blame for everything and finally journalists understood that this was propaganda. Because Fiona Hill had gotten up at the hearing and laid out the propaganda op again to narrative. Any very clear very simple way simple enough that even chuck todd could understand it and because of that there was actual pushback against the GOP by people like you know miracle of all miracles. Chuck Todd Astle love how they get like accolades doing the baseline minimum of efforts here but nonetheless for doing their jobs for finally finally doing their job but nonetheless it's good they understand. This is a preconceived narrative that has been pushed. Russian pushed in push push by Fox News Bush by the hill pushed by the New York. Times push by politico. Both of which by Ken Vogel and they recognize it and therefore are much more effective in fighting against it. And you know that is also why we have this show but our show's could compare to the neutral ground of congressional rational hearings. And so yes these need to go on for as long as humanly possible and I want out that Google maps and apple maps both showed on their maps APPs Crimea as being part of Russia Crimea. That is still suffering under human rights abuses under Russian occupation. And that is what happens when you have a Russian mob boss in the most is powerful position in the world is United States and he was brought to that position with the help of the Kremlin and he's now in the UK for a NATO Summit and Europe is in crisis is because for years. Russia has been funding. Far-right parties across Europe and Russia has been driving disinformation campaigns across Europe including including sending something like one hundred and fifty thousand twitter accounts to drive information to help create confusion in the Brexit vote which has been a big destabilization Asian force against British citizens and also pulling the UK out of the EU. So here in NATO is meeting on macron called it a brain dead NATO because you have the president in states being an asset of Russia NATO was founded to counter Kremlin aggression. You had states like the Baltic states on the border of Russia. That couldn't wait to get in NATO. NATO expansion happened because you had so many states that lived under Kremlin occupation during the Iron Curtain period that they couldn't wait to sign up for NATO membership because these were traumatized populations appellations at no at Crumlin occupation. Aggression is like firsthand. And so now you have NATO in crisis because the big funder of NATO right that is an issue everybody really has to pay their fair share without question. But trump isn't demanding that NATO pays fair share out of any sort of strategic understanding of NATO's purpose. He's doing that. Because is that trump and so I want to say it's a dangerous time even macron. Who wants to emerge as the leader of Europe? He's even trying to welcome Russia back into the club and saying a lot of things that are alarming Ukraine watchers which basically just signals that Ukraine has ever been more vulnerable and without a strong united EU without the United States. Ukraine is on its own and Putin is going to take advantage of that because Putin was the architect of this and has been for years and and I want to close by really bringing it home by talking about the incredible interview with Lisa Page in the daily beast by mal young fast where she describes a lot of the experience is all the trauma that my sister has gone through. Being a target of the far-right Propaganda Campaign Lisa page of course was a lawyer for many years at the Doj she's an expert expert on an and the FBI. She's an expert on the Russian mafia and she understood she. She understood the enemy very well and she talks about how she's even afraid to go and physical spaces because the president has turned into such a target. And just like my sister. She cannot out of this she lives with this. It can flare flare up at any time and it does and so. Donald Trump has rotating targets that he lashes out on and Lisa page is one my sister and Ukraine or or another of course and you could wake up one morning and your day is shot. Because he's gone after you again and all of his Maga- monkeys going after you and your whole Cesspool Cesspool has fired up in targeted at you that day that week and it disturbs you. You live with it. Disturbs your family. That people care about you. It is trauma is trauma and it is ongoing and it may never end. It may never end. I saw Liz Wall who quit her job as an RT broadcaster she was an anchor for rt and she quit on air because of the Soviet history that was in her own family and she couldn't stand seeing what the Kremlin was doing Ukraine so she quit on air and a major protest against Kremlin aggression. And I saw her I think a year or two after that and she was showing me that all these Kremlin bots were relentlessly harassing her relentlessly. Asli harassing her. Because if you do anything to stand up against the Kremlin they will hound you all these patriots bend minute and others. That are taking the stand. They're I'm doing it at great risk and threat to themselves but their families and so that carries so much more weight in power in the in the decision to come forward and I hope people keep that in mind and just a really sort of hit this home even further with this report that my sister gave testimony to the Senate Intelligence Committee in the fall of twenty seventeen. I just so happen to learn around that same time that the Great Pulitzer Prize winning historian and Applebaum in her book Red Famine Stalin's Warren Ukraine. I learned from that book because Anna Appelbaum and I shared a historical adviser and that historical advisor for my film and Anna Apple Bombs Book Read Famine that Historical Advisor in her research uncovered covered hours of testimony that my grandfather gave the US. Congress about surviving Stalin's genocide famine in Ukraine. So I got to hear my grandfather's there's voice many years after he passed away and I was so excited about this discovery and the fact that my grandfather was cited in an apple bombs book read famine that I sent it to my sister star so thrilled and later. She told me that she received this news right before her Senate testimony. And that's what this is about. That is what all this is about is preventing the endgame and so let's not forget that Our discussion continues. And you can get access to that by standing up on our patriotic. At the truth teller level or higher we want to encourage our listeners to donate eight to raises a Texas based nonprofit agency that provides free and low cost legal services to underserved immigrant children families and refugees there helping with the crisis ACIS facing migrant families that the Texas border in need your support. 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