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1856, Fremont vs. Buchanan vs. Fillmore: The End of Compromise
"It's winter eighteen fifty to a man. They Mr Haley Enters Kentucky tavern in need of a drink. He's in a surly mood. Haley recently purchased a slave boy the age of five from a plantation owner. But the boy's mother hearing her son had been sold took the boy and escaped into Ohio across the frozen river. The slave traders mood changes however when an old business acquaintance of his enters the tavern. Well by Providence. I do believe that's Tom. Loker entering the tavern is loader a brawny muscular man dressed in a coat of buffalo skin. He's a slave hunter and a good one. Though the mother and her boy managed to escape into a free state since the passage of the fugitive slave act men like Loker have legal authority to enter the North and enforce runaway slaves back into captivity. Loker how are you. I'm in a devil of a hobble and you must help me out. Haley gives Loker the rundown of his situation nations the boy and his mother and then he offers local a deal. You catch the boy from me. You can keep the mother or seller off if you like now Mr Haley if you want us to undertake to catch this year. Now you've got a fork over fifty dollars flat down why Tom Your unreasonable. For five weeks to come suppose we leaves all goes the Bush whacking around after your youngins. Doesn't catch the GAL. What then which pay a cent? Now flat down your fifty if we get the job and it pays handed back if we don't it's four or trouble that's fair ain't it. Haley knows that for Loker. It's all about the money but he's making hand over fist. Business is booming. Locker takes out a small mall notebook and makes notes as he asks now Mr Haley you saw this year Gal when she landed to be sure plane as I see you most likely. She's took in somewhere but wears the question. We must cross the river tonight. No mistake I suppose you've got good dogs. I rate but wants to use. You Ain't got nothing hurts the smell on. Well yes I half half. Here's the shawl she left on the bed in her hurry of the dogs might damage the GAL. This is the sort to be sold for her. Looks Consideration mm-hmm. Our Dogs Torah Feller. Half two piece ones down in mobile for we get off them. After the passage of the fugitive flay back on September eighteenth. Eighteen fifty slave hunters like loker acted in the north with impunity often with the help of northern authorities many any northerners felt helpless but more felt like taking up arms for a woman named Harriet Beecher. Stowe the best way to fight. The fugitive slave act was through the use of the A pen. Locker and Haley are not in fact historical figures. Their characters from her novel called Uncle. Tom's cabin stitching together. True stories stories of former slaves. stowe's novel open the eyes of many of the north to the human tragedy of slavery. And after it was released on March twentieth eighteen fifty two the novel soul three hundred thousand copies in the first year. The words of one woman helped galvanize a political movement and rallied the north around the idea that the days as of compromising over I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked game in the compromise of eighteen. Fifty was yet another attempt by the nation to set aside. Its sectional views of slavery in the the interest of maintaining a fragile union. But with the compromise came the fugitive slave act which put the issue of slavery on the North's doorstep and ignited anti slavery every sentiment though. The law was detested by many the election of eighteen fifty two saw both the Democrat and whig parties endorsed eighteen fifty compromise and the fugitive slave act in service of national unity. The election fractured and already weak and leaderless whig party along sectional lines and in the end it was Franklin K Pierce Appro Slavery Democrat from the North who drew wide enough appeal to win the presidency. Pierce was viewed as non-confrontational candidate who would maintain the status this quo but pierce's term would bring an end to another legislative accommodation the Missouri compromise which had limited slavery's expansion and held the divided country together therefore generation its repeal in May of eighteen fifty four with the Kansas Nebraska. Act would leave the issue of slavery to popular opinions of each state. The territories of Kansas and Nebraska would become the focal point of conflict between the pro and anti slavery forces no longer willing to compromise on the issue in the wake of a bloody battle. For power the election of eighteen fifty six would bring the demise of the whig party from its ashes. Two new parties would arise the anti immigrant. American can party otherwise known as the know nothings and a predominantly northern party which opposed the expansion of slavery called the Republican Party. The presidential contest first of eighteen fifty six would bring with it a sectional fight. The likes of which the country had never seen this is episode eighteen eighteen fifty six the end of compromise undermine it's January twenty second eighteen fifty four and the delegation of Congressmen undercover of darkness or on their way to the White House to meet with President. Pierce the entourage has led by Stephen Douglas Chair of the Senate Committee on territories when when they arrive at the White House they are greeted by peers as war secretary. Jefferson Davis Davis helps the congressman out of their carriage. Welcome Senator Douglas. Thank you Mr Secretary for arranging this. I trust that this meeting has remained discreet. We have kept our circle. Small Mr Davis we are grateful for the president's willingness to meet us at at this late hour on the Lord's Day no less. He detests business on Sunday. But given the subject of your visit. He made an exception. The men marched through the candlelit halls of the White House to the library. Where President Peter Stands stoically by the fireplace? Mr President Senator. Douglas Gentlemen I trust. You know. We're here Mr President. The route of the transcontinental railroad has yet to be chosen and Douglas the director of the Illinois Central Railroad and a land speculator later wants to start the railroad his hometown Chicago but staunch pro slavery. Democrats have made it clear. If Senator Douglas Wants Western expansion and a transcontinental railroad he will have to support them in the spread of slavery. Douglas has therefore drafted a bill to win their support. But he I must secure the support support the President Gentlemen you are entering on a serious undertaking. The ground should be well surveyed before the first step is taken Mr President. We do not make this decision lightly. I think we do believe it is the right course. Douglas wants to repeal the Missouri compromise which prevents slavery over thirty six thirty parallel in the territory. Acquired the Louisiana purchase this would allow all future states formed from this territory the ability to decide whether or not to allow slavery themselves but Pierce is reluctant lockton. The Missouri compromise has long held this country together. Now you wish me to support your efforts and undermining our national tranquility the railroad will be built. Mr President Progress is coming to the West. If Democrats are to control the territories and the destiny of this nation. Slavery must be allowed to expand. I am a president of the country country. Now senator not only the Democrats but without the Democrats you would not be president Sir. You have them to thank for your office and them to rely on for reelection Mr Douglas. Why not take the to the courts? If I find the compromise unconstitutional it will spare Congress and my office any fault in the manner Douglas. Douglas is known as the little giant. Though you small in stature. He is known for his ability to win the debate. Using his fiery passion skill with words it must be Congress. Mr President President Sir. Repeal of the compromise is due to the south. We must fight for her though I shall be a sale by fanatics without moderation though every terrible epithet will will be applied to me though I shall be hung in effigy and this proceeding may end my political career. I have the duty to repeal this unconstitutional policy. I am prepared prepared to make the sacrifice I will do it will you. President Pierce has always thought of Douglas as demagogue only motivated by self interest but tonight pierce season as a true patriot. Mr Douglas. I will support your measure on March fourth eighteen fifty three in his inaugural speech Pierce had made clear to the country his views on slavery stating I believe that involuntary contrary servitude as it exists in different states of this confederacy is recognized by the Constitution. I believe that it stands like any other admitted right and that the states. Where are it exists are entitled to officiant remedies to Enforce Constitutional provision? I hold that the laws of eighteen fifty commonly called the compromise measures are strictly constitutional and to be unhesitatingly carried into effect. It would be this view that would formulate pierces message to Congress in January eighteen fifty fifty four in support of Stephen Douglas Nebraska Act having secured the written statement from the president at their private conference on the night of January twenty second. Douglas presented a new you bill on the Senate floor called the Kansas Nebraska Act which created to New Territories and repealed the eighteen twenty line that established the Missouri compromise. Douglas then read to the dismay of many in the north president. Pierce's written message that the line established under the Missouri. Compromise of eighteen twenty was superseded by The principles of the legislation of eighteen fifty pierce declared the Missouri compromise inoperative and void to Douglas. His bill settled the matter of slavery entirely. He felt that his bill would in all time to come. Avoid the perils of a similar agitation by withdrawing the question of slavery from the halls halls of Congress and the political arena and commitment to the arbitration of those who were immediately interested in and alone responsible for its consequences. Douglas also also hope that his bill would bring him much needed southern support to pass his Nebraska territory bill and his plan for the transcontinental railroad the repeal of the Missouri. Compromise reminds was a lightning rod for both sides of the argument for Democrats. It was a test of loyalty to the Party. Pierce made it known that if anyone was not in favor of the expansion of slavery they were no longer welcome in the Democratic Party he said the administration is committed to the Nebraska Bill. And we'll stand by it at all hazards. The principle of this bill will perform the test of parties and the only alternative is either to stand with democracy or rally under seward. John Van Buren Company. Men Democrats considered anti slavery savory zealots but the measure was still politically tricky. Douglas and hope of bringing the whole of the Democratic base to their side made a motion to postpone the vote until popular support was fully behind the measure. Those who opposed the expansion of slavery also supported the measure to postpone a vote. They needed time to sway public opinion away from the Nebraska. RASCAL BILL SO AVID Anti Slavery Congressmen Salmon. P Chase William Henry seward and Charles. Sumner drafted an address to rile public outcry. The Senate and it would most likely support Douglas's bill but the house was more vulnerable and more in touch these senators believed with public sentiments against slavery's expansion into the north in late January eighteen fifty four senator chased delivered. The address called the appeal of the Independent Democrats in he denounced the attempt by Douglas to undermine the Missouri compromise chase declared at the present session in New Nebraska. Bill has been reported by the Senate Committee on territories which should it unhappily received. The sanction of Congress will open all the unorganized territories of the Union to the ingress of slavery and convert it into a dreary region of despotism inhabited by masters and enslaves chase then appeal to the anti slavery emotions. Now stirring in the north. We appeal to the people. We warn you that the dearest interest of freedom and the Union Munir in imminent peril demagogues may tell you that the union can be maintained only by submitting to the demands of slavery. The union was formed to establish justice and secure cure the blessings of liberty when it fails to accomplish these ends it will be worthless and when it becomes worthless it cannot long endure. We entreat you to be mindful of that fundamental maximum democracy equal rights and exact justice for all men then chase gave a call to action recruiting churches to their cause us we implore Christians and Christian ministers to interpose their divine religion requires them to behold in every man a brother and two Labor for the advancement and regeneration of the human race. Finally Chase pledged. An unwillingness to compromise on the issue of feeling that by the end of eighteen fifty four would soon be shared by much of the North North. Chase promised for ourselves we shall resist it by speech and vote in with all the abilities which God has given us. Even if overcome and the impending struggle we shall not submit we go home to our constituents erect a new the standard of freedom and call on the people to come to the rescue of the country from the domination of slavery slavery we will not despair for the cause of human freedoms is the cause of God. The address address worked a wave of public dissent swept through the north fueling protests and igniting anti-slavery advocates to take action at church services across north ministers preached against the bill many in the north sign their names to anti bill petitions Douglas's Nebraska. Bill had unintended consequences. He didn't united the North within a common cause and many northern Democrats swayed by chase abandoned. The party disillusioned whigs without a sense of direction since death of their party leader. Henry clay rallied to the cause also joining the fight. Where the free spoilers who oppose slavery mainly because it created unfair labor competition and stifled wages these groups united and use their combined influence to stop the Nebraska? Bill's passage after months of both sides rallying support for and against the bill and months months of fierce debate and filibusters. The bill came to a vote in both houses in the Senate it passed as expected thirty seven to fourteen and on the thirtieth of May. Hey the house. Vote fell on mainly sectional lines. Northern Democrats were split on the bill narrowly supporting it forty four to forty two all forty five northern whigs league's opposed it. Southern Democrats voted in favor of the bill. Fifty seven to two southern whigs split their votes twelve to seven and support the total House vote vote was one thirteen to one hundred in favor of the bill making Kansas Nebraska New Territories with a sovereignty to make their own decisions on slavery. Douglas had won the battle. President Pierce with an ecstatic secretary. Jefferson Davis beside him. Signed the act into law in penises inaugural speech. He had warned against against sexual or ambitious or fanatical excitement but pierce and Douglas had in trying to end the debate on slavery only exacerbated and set into motion a bloody battle over the future of the Kansas territory in what many historians consider to be the precursor to the civil war. Immediate reaction to the passage of the act was a reactionary canary obstinate refusal by many in the north to honor the fugitive slave act. If the south was going to end a longstanding compromise the north would stop compromising its beliefs compliance with the fugitive. Slave act was over and many would find themselves willing to commit insurrection. In order to defend those who had escaped from bondage in ending the Missouri compromise the south had thought they had won the argument they had nine. We could game sponsored by pretty litter. I've had a cat since college and was Volvo than outy renamed skippy today. I've got an old man named Vincent after his doctor. 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May Twenty six eighteen fifty four in Boston Massachusetts and Anthony Burns nineteen year old black man paces nervously in his jail cell days earlier earlier as he was leaving his job at a clothing supply he was arrested on the street on charges of robbing a jewelry store. He was sure of his innocence so he gave no resistance. It wasn't until they reached a courthouse and burns demanded to face his accuser that he discovered there had been no robbery. His heart sank when he realized why he had truly been arrested. His his capture was a slave hunter. Anthony Burns was a fugitive slave. Burns does not know it but this evening at the nearby Faneuil Hall. The Boston vigilance committee has attracted a crowd of over five thousand abolitionists. All there to protest burns arrest John on swift. A member of the vigilance committee addresses the crown. They say that this Nebraska Bill has repealed the Missouri compromise eighteen twenty live say it is repealed the compromise of eighteen fifty it is repealed the fugitive slave law and repeal the very notion of compromised in Revolutionary Times. Samuel Adams lead meetings. Here riling the people of Boston and the cause of liberty against the British 'cause today Boston gathered faneuil hall to protest for the Liberty of Anthony Burns. I say tomorrow morning when we go to the courthouse and give our own verdict. They think they are the law will gentleman there is another law. It is in your hands and your arms just then the door the hall bursts open a man rushes in with news. A mob of Negroes assembled in the court square. They're trying to rescue burns. The crowd quickly pours out a final hall into the Lamp Lit Streets. Meanwhile at the Courthouse House Burns watches out the window of his cell. As a crowd of black protestors press toward the courthouse doors but the marshalls deputies managed to keep them at bay. Legally a fugitive. Steve Burns knows that justice is not on his side in his shackles. He can't help but recall his time in bondage. It does not look like the rescue will be successful. He falls into despair but then burns. Here's more commotion on the streets. His heart lift says he sees hundreds of white men bearing axes cleavers revolvers revolvers marching on the courthouse. It seems all of Boston. Is there to save him. The Marshall shouts of the growing crowd. Stay back my men will hill opened fire. Marshal's man stand firm outside fire. Warning shots with the crowd is undetermined. Seven or eight men both black and white carry a large Joyce which they use a makeshift battering ram. Stop turnaround the Marshal's orders have no fact. He turns to his men get ready ready boys. No one says foot in this courthouse inside the marshalls men arm themselves if prepare for the invaders. Suddenly there's gunfire in the street. Where outside a dozen policemen have arrived on horseback to assist? The Marshall are firing warning shots. They begin disarming and arresting the protesters but the cast at the courthouse doors continues marshlands men get ready at any moment. The doors will splinter com. So in his cell Anthony Burns witnessed a bloody melee. That night as officers was armed with clubs and cutlasses defended the courthouse and beat back the would be rescuers in the aftermath countless were injured and one deputy shot to prevent further violence. Violence President Pierre sent in federal troops on Monday morning. May Twenty ninth when Anthony Burns. His trial began. The courthouse resembled a fort a strong strong military presence prevented any further attempts to free burns. His trial would continue but his future would not be decided by jury. If it were his fellow citizens of Boston Austin surely would have ruled in his favor instead. The decision was left solely to a commissioner judge loring in Burns defense the prominent lawyer Richard Henry Dana Depict depict the gravity of the decision. The eyes of many millions or upon you sir you ought to do an act which will hold its place in the history of America may your judgment be for Liberty Pretty and not slavery but to the dismay of everyone in Boston judge loring ultimately decided to abide by the fugitive slave law and returns wants to his Virginian slave holder as they escorted him to the Docks Fifty Thousand Bostonians wearing black clothes of mourning gathered to witness the injustice burn earn sailed away from the freedom of Boston towards a future of oppression. John Swift a member of the vigilance committee that marched to the courthouse. That night described the scene. It was too much for me to my innermost soul. I felt a deep degradation of that moment. Not only had Anthony Burns been deprived his rights. I had lost something had lost a proud privileges saying that I had life in a free Commonwealth on July fourth eighteen fifty four. A month after Burns was taken from Boston. A rally was held in Framingham Massachusetts. They're poet Henry David. Thoreau spoke to the crowd. Lamenting mankind never learned. That policy is not morality that it never secures yours any moral right but considers merely was expedient chooses the available candidate who's invariably the devil and what right have his constituents to be surprised because the the devil does not behave like an angel of light. What is wanted is men not of policy but who recognize a higher law than the constitution but also in Massachusetts during the summer of eighteen fifty four? A new political order would begin with the passage of the Kansas Nebraska. Act and the collapse of the whigs. Northerners were seeking a viable opposition party to the Democrats to such parties would arise many Massachusetts were or angry having seemingly lost their own sovereignty to the will of southern interests force to abide by the fugitive slave. Act and witnessing the possible expansion of slavery into the West at the same time a new wave of immigrants from Ireland and Germany reached American shores. These primarily Catholic immigrants stirred resentment as they found work in their new home. Being Accused of stealing American jobs and more perniciously scheming to make America subservient to the pope. This anti Catholic flicked sentiment had been simmering since the country's founding but came to a boil in the mid eighteen hundreds men seeking to combat the purported Catholic influence started several secret secret societies like the order of United Americans and the order of the Star spangled banner these societies grew and support and scope and soon united to form. What was eventually called the American party but that party was founded from secret roots members of these societies when asked about their activities were instructed to reply apply? Only I know nothing so quickly. The society members and the party they formed became derisively known as the know. Nothings the name stock but they were politically successful in the eighteen. Fifty four state elections the know nothing swept the state of Massachusetts and once in office enacted a flurry of reform. Most of their attention was paid to an anti Catholic nativist agenda often fueled by outrageous conspiracy theories Massachusetts no nothing's proposed legislation nation to restrict naturalized citizens ability to vote and wanted to raise the residency period required to become an American citizen from five years to twenty one. No nothing. Legislators also created a board of Alien Commissioners to monitor immigrants and required that children read the Protestant King James Bible in school every day but the know nothings were also largely a working class party seeking reform in aspects of everyday life. They bought textbooks for public. Schools increased funding for for libraries. They started the state's first reform. School for Juvenile Delinquents. No nothing's fought for women's rights allowing them more property rights and better standing in divorce courts and they enacted temperance measures restricting the sale of alcohol in the national elections of November eighteen fifty four know nothing candidates continued their success now formally organized as the American party. No nothing's gained fifty one seats in the house all taken from Democrats in total the know. Nothings won more seats in the house than any the other third party in history ensuring that one of their ranks nathaniel banks won election as speaker of the house but they're more crusade did not include an official stance against against slavery. And this would give room to another party. Reaction Against the Kansas Nebraska Act would unite the the anti slavery factions of former whigs northern Democrats who in the eighteen fifty four election were put on the ballot under the ambiguous name. The opposition party in eighteen fifty eighty four. This opposition party was staggering. One hundred seats in the house giving them the majority in the thirty Fourth Congress and the upcoming election of eighteen fifty six their or national convention would formally adopt an official name. The Republican Party the name Republican had appeared in June eighteen fifty four editorial by the a famous wig. Newspaperman Horace Greeley. It was his attempt to define the movement of former whigs and southern free. Spoilers who against the expansion of slavery he said some simple name like Republican would more fiddly designate those who had united to restore the union to its true mission of champion and promulgator of liberty rather then propagandist of slavery. The name was a nod democratic Republican. Thomas Jefferson a strong proponent of personal liberty and though the Republican party he would fall short of calling for an end to slavery. This new party would become the home of many radical abolitionists and many who would in the coming years be convinced for the moment though. Abolition and emancipation were controversial notions even violently so the midterm elections in the winter of eighteen. Fifty four were most consequential in the new territory of Kansas Stephen. Douglas had hoped that his popular sovereignty bill would put an end to the slavery debate instead. The midterm elections of eighteen fifty four only added fuel to a fire already sparked by the repeal of the Missouri compromise once Douglas's Kansas Insist Nebraska Act was passed and the decision of slavery was left to its people. Kansas became the focal point for the slavery debate. Nebraska was already well on its way to becoming coming a free state but Kansas fate was uncertain so in hopes of Swang popular opinion both pro and anti slavery factions flooded Kansas Anti Slavery slavery northerners sought to quickly settle the state and sway the vote in their favor. Meanwhile a large group of pro slavery forces known as the Border Ruffians flooded the Kansas Kansas territory from neighboring Missouri. An influx orchestrated largely by Missouri slaveholders. Who did not want to free state on their border? Both sides of the debate also rushed to the polls voter fraud was committed on a massive scale though there were only two thousand nine hundred five legal voters in the Kansas territory over six thousand votes. What's were cast? By the time the votes tallied Kansas was declared a slave territory and a pro slavery government was formed but many cried foul now and refuse to accept the results of the vote. Both sides took up arms and formed militias abolitionist across the north provided arms to the Free State militia calling the election fraudulent in the pro slavery government illegitimate these free staters past the Topeka constitution which created a second government and outlawed slavery in Kansas President. Pierce wasted no time backing the pro. Slavery Government Situation Soon boiled over into violence. What some consider to be the first blows of the civil war? The first shots came on November twenty first eighteen fifty-five when fro slavery settler shot and killed a free stater. This sparked a series of arrests and attempted lynchings that progressively escalated until May of eighteen fifty six when a group group of deputize pro slavery men rode into the fortified Free State town of Lawrence Kansas. The pro slavery faction considered the town a hotbed of Free State Agitators so under the guise of assisting federal marshal with the arrest them scape free stater the pro slavery band of deputies quickly devolved into an army of pillagers who sacked the town. Free State newspaper offices were destroyed. A Free State hotel was burned. Anti Slavery. Agitators were captured. The South was celebratory celebratory and the north indignant on May nineteenth eighteen fifty six on the Senate. Floor the abolitionist Senator Charles. Sumner of Massachusetts admonished. The sacking of Lawrence in a heated speech called the crime against Kansas. He lays the blame for the situation or what he called. Murderous robbers from Missouri hirelings rulings picked from the drunken spew vomit of an uneasy civilization. He then attacked Democratic Senator Stephen Douglas of Illinois and Andrew Butler of South Carolina for inciting citing the crisis in Kansas. He called Douglas a noisome squat and nameless animal. Not a proper model for an American senator. Andrew Butler was not present present in the Senate so he did not witness Benham. Sumner spit in his direction. Sumner shouted Senator Butler has chosen a mistress. I mean the Harlot slavery very a few days later on the twenty second of May Senator Butler's cousin Representative Preston Brooks viciously defended his kin. He approached some right right his desk in the Senate Chamber and Said you've libelled my state and slandered my white haired old relative Senator Butler. I've come to punish you for it. Brooks Brooks then took. His gold tipped cane tight made for disciplining dogs and struck Sumner Multiple Times about the head. He hit some. They're so hard to came. Shattered Dirt Brooks was unhinged is wild volume blows was only stock when several men restrained him. Sumner cried out. I'm almost dead. Almost dead covered in blood. Sumner had to be carried out of the Senate. Both men recalled heroes by the respective camps Preston Brooks for taking matters into his own hands ends and Charles Sumner for suffering half the cause but days later news of an even more horrific act of violence in Kansas would soon overshadowed the brook. Sumner instant and it would shock the nation to its core. Wicked game is sponsored by audible. No matter what you resolution this year you'll find the perfect audiobook at audible to motivate or inspire you and help audible is issuing a challenge. There's two current and new members finished three audiobooks by March third and get a twenty dollar Amazon credit. It's so simple. 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A pro slavery man from Tennessee. The hour is late and visitors are infrequent so instead of answering the door doyle calls out from inside. Yes what is it what do you want. Can you tell me the way to the Wilkinson Place. But the man that knocked is not looking for Wilkinson's home he knows exactly where Wilkinson lives in. Fact fact abolitionist. John Brown knows the name and location of every pro slavery. Man along the creek. He and his family settled Kansas to fight a war against slavery and incensed at the sacking of Lawrence. Brown is now ready to fight fire with fire and strike terror in the hearts of the pro slavery people tonight. He and his sons John's along with several other abolitionists already to take an eye for nine doyle. Not Knowing of Brown's true intent lets his guard down and opens the door the media brown and his men seized the opportunity and storm the house. No stay back stay away from my family. The Doyle Children Huddle around their mother other sons. The age of twenty two twenty and sixteen and oils young daughter Brown barks orders take outside. Brown's men grabbed doyle and his three sons panic. Mrs Doyle throws her arms around the youngest of the three begging Brown not to take him Brown ultimately spares the boy but orders the other other to out along with their father they walk them a short distance down the road. Doyle pleads with his captor in doing this what have I done wrong to you. You've wrong Kansas Mr Doyle you've round decency and liberty you've wronged God. This is his justice and John. Brown takes his pistol and aims at doyle's forehead. Please take my life but spare my boys spare them Isaiah Chapter Fourteen Verse Twenty One prepare slaughter for his children for the sins of their fathers that they do not rise nor possessed the land or feel the face of the world with cities unease John Brown shot James Doyle in the forehead then Brown sunset upon the younger doyle's with their swords one of the young Doyle's was struck down in an instant but the other attempted escape and was pursued and caught. He died a frightening death with his head head gashed open in his arms hacked off completely but the violence did not end there. Brown's company then attacked two more homes slashing to death a total of five five men in the master Brown's attack only escalade. What would come to be called Bloody Kansas by the end of the Kansas conflict? Some two hundred men were killed. Hold the violence. In Kansas escalated. Even as Washington and President Pierce remained. Paralysed as the election of eighteen fifty six got underway bloody Kansas Kansas doomed Democratic President Pierce's nomination the events of Kansas and his inaction made pierce look inept a failed leader incapable of de escalating the crisis one Democrat said of Pierce. He has no real strength but there is much weakness in him. Personally there's undoubtedly an active opposition to Pearson or rank which we are bound to respect. That opposition rallied around one man. James Buchanan on June fifth at the Democratic National Convention Buchanan was is nominated as the democratic. Party's candidate for president. His running mate was congressman. John Breckenridge of Kentucky. You can't had served as a Congressman Senator and secretary three of state under President Polk but he was not chosen for his resume instead he was chosen because the conflict and Kansas was widely unpopular and Buchanan. Being the Minister Mr to Britain was out of the country time his hands were clean. The decision of who would face Buchanan was settled on June nineteenth when the Republicans is held their first national convention. They followed the old whig party. Strategy of nominating a war hero known as the Pathfinder California Senator John C. Freemont Egmont was the famed explorer who had mapped much of the American West. He had also helped win California during his service in the Mexican American War Republican selected New Jersey Aziz Senator William Dayton as his running mate and adopted a platform of opposition to the expansion of slavery their campaign slogan was free soil free speech and Fremont Egmont the anti immigrant and anti-catholic know nothings nominated former president Millard as their nominee feel more had not sought the presidency and was was out of the country during the nomination but he reluctantly accepted fill. More like Buchanan was chosen for his lack of connection to the Kansas debacle quickly campaign campaign group dirty. The know nothings in eighteen. Fifty six would launch a series of attacks against Fremont and the press in what might be called the first presidential birther scandal the know nothings accused Fremont of being a foreigner. Though it was true. His father was French Canadian. His mother was a Virginian. These attacks also revealed that Fremont was an illegitimate legitimate child but of all the salvos launched by the know nothings none had more traction against Fremont than his suspected Catholocism. He was called a Roman EST and a papist pissed in his defense Republicans stumped hard for Fremont and many including abolitionist preacher Henry Ward Beecher author. Harriet Beecher stowe's brother personally vouched as for him. Being a Protestant Republicans ran an aggressive campaign with chants of we shall overcome. They promised to defeat the powerful Democratic Party. They lauded Fremont's amongst youth and vigor. In contrast to the sixty three year old Buchanan they held rallies and parades stumping for Fremont were popular senators Salmon Chase and Charles Sumner honor Abraham Lincoln pitched into giving almost fifty speeches for the Republican candidate. Meanwhile the Democrats ran an entirely different kind of campaign. Aside from calling Fremont young and inexperienced they came pant on fear painting Republicans as radicals. Who would end slavery for good in Indiana? Democrats held a parade featuring young girls in white dresses holding banners. Reading father's save us from nigger husbands many claim that if Fremont were elected the union would dissolve. You can't and embrace this feeling saying this race ought to be run on the question of Union or Union. The sentiment was only made worse when many Republicans called for the speedy peaceful and equitable disillusion of the existing union seeing the slavery issue as unreputable and disunion the only solution Asian ultimately in the presidential election of eighteen fifty six the threat of succession pushed many to support Buchanan hoping again to maintain the status quo and keep the union. The country had already had a taste of conflict with bloody Kansas. Many sought to avoid more bloodshed. Buchanan would win the south. There was no doubt so for Democrats. Most of the heavy campaigning was done in the north in five key. Swing states that will determine the next President Illinois Indiana Maryland New Jersey and Pennsylvania in November of eighteen fifty six when the votes were tallied Fremont didn't win a single southern state in the north. He won eleven Free State's though he gave the Republicans a great. I run as a party. It was ultimately not enough to overcome Buchanan of the swing states. Buchanan carried all but Maryland which went to know nothing candidate Millard fillmore. It would be the first and last electoral votes. The know nothings would never win. After the eighteen fifty six election the know nothings would crumble and not return to make a presidential run in the election of eighteen sixty though the Kansas Nebraska act had damaged damage the Democrats by further entrenching sectionalism and uniting. Anti Slavery Factions. You can instill emerge victorious though it was far from a landslide. You you can only received forty five percent of the popular vote. The newly formed Republican Party had lost but they had made a strong showing needing many southern Democrats afraid for the future. 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History of the Kentucky Civil War Roundtable
"Welcome to the witnessing history education foundation podcast educating Americans to understand the history of their country and of other countries. So that they will appreciate the value of America's unique free institutions become an American hero. Who participates in our mission by joining us at witnessing history dot ORG. Download our documentaries and free teacher education materials that conform to grade level education standards at PBS learning media dot ORG, follow witnessing history on Facebook, Twitter and linked in today. Our guest is witnessing history education foundation's president can't master sim Brown. He is here to provide us with the story behind the country's second oldest and the largest civil war roundtable the Kentucky. So. Civil war. Roundtable Ken is the current president of the Kentucky civil around table, which meets five times per year over dinner with guest speakers who travel from all over the country to appear before are the membership of about three hundred eighty people. The meetings are held at the embassy suites on Newtown pike for more information, go to the website at Kyi, civil war, roundtable dot ORG. Now, let's listen to a short excerpt of the recording from the October nineteen fifty to address of attorney in Lincoln scholar. William H Townsend of Lexington Kentucky appearing before the Chicago, civil war roundtable, discussing Kentucky legend caches Marcellus lay. Have to pray shun had one, Sean. Brutus clay who you know, rose fell and such. I'm at a curry enough for one time when I was writing drive down over visit deal. And as he stood framed in the doorway arm or gray Jaakko. Away. The myself that the old line would never be dead knowledge. His son. And I had a very pleasant time with it. Too many pictures air e-even book, I assure you that I wanted all controversial question. I continue to do that matter of fact until one time. Morning 'cause Hamburg and. Share with adverse? Leks? Are they coming to Lexington? Car called me up to be at the day out. I feel sure that he needed this from Kentucky tavern. What I was at. Then all sad that now are you going to write the light of cases invade? If you don't go to write it. And. What are we going to name going to call it? They Magnussen bladder sky. That. General got any sudden in? But he's got a daughter is lower. Live in that she retaliated heavily on that. Live with regret big woman trapped ya'll and one time in a democratic state convention. I heard her make us beach at made the delegates tab that go ahead. The lie. I did was I haven't either over the register. I've alleged ties together you live together. Make in that. I can't protect the writer, and I got time to do it. Let me all right. Tell Nick Lara when I see. So I went up Steve as I am to do that before. Spoke back quickly advantage. He had nobody. But a Kentucky. Good, dan. My father. And I'm all right for me to write alive. General quite. I did you have to go into great mundane that were controversial during his life and unpleasant the families that just record ball and his wife Mary ship. All right. He acted a cheating a good sport about that. And chart at that. She died other things intervene into life day is not yet. Delighting to remember that after the civil war clay has put Visteon prepped, you tell us something he had. Birth. Glam vision beginning when he got back from the AM strange enough. How did it? But he won two straight terms and the state out. You'd have told you our goal in the sixty rather than the United States Senate. Then of course, he wanted to take a day of war in Lincoln's cabinet. Got across to Petersburg. He bested Lincoln about getting into the war on dill Lincoln, finally eight him come back about teams to made a major. You a couple of battle. But he found out that the night at work. In our interest and went back to Russia. Where are you? Tonight. He lives I think a candidate for governor. I remember directly later on in his life. Whatever political admissions, he had I think he surely must have known that. He could hardly realize them matter principle and much as he such that only say, but they just. I want to seem the letters that he sent to Charles Dane suggestion himself to the president. I very sure that he cable. Will come Kent. Good beer. Is good to talk about the Kentucky civil around table. It's a great institution that is a great institution now. So let's talk about William towns in for a minute. Who is he Bill as we I knew Bill, and he he was born in Anderson county Kentucky, and that's lawrenceburg, and there's even a historical marker it is birth site. Bill was raised there. He is the only person I've ever known in my life who turned to me and told me of the Mexican war veterans. He knew growing up. That takes it back pretty far. He was born about eighteen ninety. And he died in nineteen sixty four, but he knew just a lot of people who not only Mexican war veterans, but particularly civil war veterans, and he became enamored with history as a young boy, he went to the university of Kentucky. And then the university of Kentucky law school. And began practicing law here in Lexington and practice practice it under a firm called stall Muir, Townsend and park, and they were in the old first national building on main street and upper and he took his interest in history to some significant links one he became a namrd with ABRAHAM LINCOLN. And I think what got him into Lincoln was his friendship with William Barton. William Barton was one of the great Lincoln scholars in the nineteen thirties and forties. He wrote a biography wrote a two volume biography from Kentucky. No, but Barton befriended Townsend, and he introduced house into a lot of people like Carl Sandberg, who of course, ROY. A multi volume biography of ABRAHAM LINCOLN towns than wound up writing a book called Lincoln in his in his wife's hometown, which show is a study of Lincoln's connection with Lexington. And that became a book the university of Kentucky press. Now, the university press of Kentucky published as Lincoln and the bluegrass in the nineteen fifties. And it was a very popular book. When I was a boy. And so those were his major books, but then he also produced all sorts of other side things like a book called hundred proof which were stories of the Salt River. These are stories he grew up with well now, he's from the town that that houses the wild Turkey still. As as the as the as his talk that we've just heard the fragment. He laced everything with references to bourbon whiskey refers to it in their is Kentucky tavern. I think Carl Sandberg would like a little Kentucky tavern of. But Bill became the first president. He's really the organizing a person behind the Kentucky civil war roundtable and was its first president until he died nineteen sixty four. So that's Bill. Yes. And now he had some other connections with ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Will he he was a collector? Yes, linked Konia. He collected all sorts of Lincoln documents Lincoln legals Lincoln signatures. He also befriended as a young lawyer here in Lexington. The the son of Benjamin Hardin helm, the confederate Brigadier General who was. Killed at chick Amata and his his son Ben Hardin helm junior lived south of Lexington in a place still called the helm place was brought up there by his mother who was the widow of general helm, Emily and two sisters. Well, let's talk about Emily for a minute. She has a very important connection to ham Lincoln. She has a huge connection of as do all. These are Emily is one of the children of the second marriage of Robert Todd who was married Todd Lincoln's father her mother died relatively young and Todd remarried, married, Elizabeth Humphreys and from that second marriage. He had multiple children one of whom was Emily. So Emily is the half sister of Mary Todd Lincoln, and she's the one who married Ben Hardin helm, the confederate Brigadier General, one of those interesting things about all this, frankly is who in Robert Todd's, the children of his first marriage all became fundamentally pro union during the civil war is daughter Mary Todd, married, the president of the United States, but the children from his second marriage all of Mary Todd, Lincoln's half siblings. All all the boys became confederate officers or confederate soldiers. All the girls married confederate officers. Two of them even lived in Selma, Alabama in the war broke out stitch together. The battle flag of the magnolia graze from a company of infantry from Selma and both of them attended Jefferson, Davis's inaugural. Imagine that all this kind of stuff in Namur Billtown. He loved this stuff. And it's so much of what he did. Form the platform on which so much. Other work has been done on Lincoln his relationship with Lexington. Which is probably the third most important town in his life. Well, and Phil ends up. Marrying the beautiful daughter of his friend, Ben Hardin, helm junior and ends up living, no less than in the home place. He didn't marry the daughter. Okay. I've been Hardin how junior he befriended. Ben. Okay. Then was a bachelor. Okay. And Ben lived out there. Now, what happened was that built Howson's daughter? Mary Genevieve, Mary Joe Murphy and those two lived in the hell place. I see that works. Okay. I had that MC Steph a little bit. Okay. He Bill basically took care of been helm junior. And Ben apparently turned to Bill and said look at a it's all years if you take care of me, and you know without pensions and without. All sorts of nursing care, and those days, it was nice to have someone agree to help you and it was worth a lot. And for Ben hell, that's what he did. And Bill took care of him. And at the end Bill got the house gave it to his daughter and been out there. Many many times with Bill daughter and her husband, so lovely place. It's beautiful a lovely place. A Greek revival mansion building out eighteen fifty two beautiful place. So that's built towns, and what are some of the artifacts he collected? And where could we see them today? We'll. Some of the Lincoln artifacts. Let me give you a story. I like story. My first introduction with Bill. Townsend was in November nineteen fifty nine. Now, I would have been ten going on eleven and I went to the Kentucky civil war roundtable when it was it was being held in the gold room of the Lafayette hotel. Which is now the government building down on mainstream. Then it was a beautiful hotel Laureus ballrooms, and and the round table met in this the gold room, which is absolutely gorgeous. Anyway, my host who was also my the family doctor William team accent asked me would you like to go up and meet Mr. Townsend, and I said I'd love to. 'cause I'd heard about him. And so I went up there and up they're going up there with us was Dr maxim son film action who was a young chum of mine growing up and has been a friend of mine ever since is to this day and like his father. He's a loyal member the Kentucky civil war around table. So I went up to see this fellow in here is this this fellow with the three piece suit seated in the chair behind the speaker stand, and he sees us come up, and he turns in the chair. And he Wight white hair as he says shock of white hair. And he's got this three piece suit with his watch fob. And and he turns into goes, how are you young fellow? And I said, I'm fine. He says I'm Bill Townsend, and I said, well, I'm can't Brown. And this is my friend, Phil Maxon. And towns and shook Phil's hand. And he goes to me do you like a Lincoln? And I said, oh, yes. Mr. towns than I really do like ABRAHAM LINCOLN. Now, get this, folks. He then reaches into his pocket and pulls out a pocket watch. And he says to you know, who's watch this is and I go, no. And he turns it over and it has on the back a Lincoln. And he said, it's Abraham Lincoln's. And he says you see this crease up by the stem. And I said, yes, he says Tina how that crease got there. I said, no. And he says when Lincoln was shot in Ford's better. He said he slumped in the chair and major Rathbone who is his bodyguard ran over and tried to pull him out of the chair and the watch got caught. Now, can you imagine the effect of this on a ten year old kid? My eyes were just popping out of my head. I know we probably would have left head off after this little little deal with me. But he was wearing Lincoln's pocket watch. And then he said, do you know, who's cufflinks these are on? I said they Lincoln's to he says, they are they were he said he wore them the night. He was assassinated see Ben helm gave him those and Ben got him. Because I mean, he he was a. He lived a long time and in that family. The only other living member was raw. It was Abraham Lincoln's oldest son, Robert Robert Todd Lincoln, and Robert Todd would have had them and probably given them Ben Ben helm because there was no one else to take them. So the proven ons of them was darn good those were like artifacts. And those items today as I understand are in the Kentucky. Historical sino. The I have seen the watch at the condition. Historical. Yeah. It's actually in Frankfurt. Yeah. Cufflinks? We don't know. I don't know. And are the famous Lincoln collector of whose name escapes me. It'll come to me but out west actually, I think bought. A lot of the Lincoln artifacts from Mary Genevieve well after Bill passed away she had no way of knowing what to do with all of that. And it was extensive not only Lincoln, but all kinds of things related to cash. Clay, Kentucky, Anna Kentucky history. Bill is a huge collector. Yeah. So so when you met Mr. Townsend as a young boy. Yeah, he was the president was the president the Kentucky civil roundtable. So let's talk about what are these roundtables that you're referencing? What what how did these get going? The the God going frankly with the Chicago civil war roundtable this Chicago, civil war roundtable, the organization that Bill gave that famous speech to fragment which you just heard. He gave out in nineteen fifty two October of nineteen fifty two Chicago civil around table began not too far before then, and it's whole mission was simply to have meetings than like, Chicago roundtable were meeting monthly, but having meetings where they could invite notable speakers and then discuss the American civil war and give people an opportunity to to do that. And that roundtable was put together much like this one by people who had an academic interest in the civil war were academics. But also people who simply had an avocation interest in the civil war some people who had a commercial interest in the civil war like the the owner of the ABRAHAM LINCOLN bookshop in Chicago in Chicago, which is still being operated. A Ralph Newman was his name. And these people had huge interest in not just to sell things, but an interest themselves. That's what got them into the business of of running a bookshop like that. So all those kind of people came together in Chicago, they referred to it as a table because that was kind of the the vision of this something like king Arthur's of famous crew that sat around round table in Britain. And these were the select, and that's kind of the thought behind it. And once the Chicago civil war roundtable began going in earnest you saw some other start to spring up. The second one though was the Kentucky civil war roundtable. And what happened was Bill went up there and gave that speech, and he was so well. Saved. I mean, it was a tremendous. And he went up there with his old friend j Winston Cullman who is another really close friend of mine for years. We were great buddies other two of them went up there. Townsend and Coleman were inseparable, and he gave that talk and came back so fired up about the idea of an organization had just had speakers on the civil war that he decided why don't we form one? And so in October nineteen sixty nineteen fifty three. Bill Townsend called an informal group to his law office on main street and to discuss forming forming around table and by the way by nineteen October nineteen fifty three. That speech. He gave had already been put on thirty three and a third RPM records, and we're sold all over the country. Civil around him. Benefit of ABRAHAM LINCOLN books you. Yes. Yes. No man was recording. This unbeknownst Bill towns. And here's a funny story about that Bill. I mean, people were asking if you got the record that you of your of your of your speech, Bill goes, hell, no, hell, no. Like this. No one ever told me he was being recorded. He really got mad about it. And he threatened to sue Ralph Newman for for doing that. But then one day he gets a letter in the mail that up on the upper left of the envelope. Breeds the White House. And and he opened this envelope up and unfolds the letter, and it says, dear Mr. Townsend Mamie, and I have listened to your recording on caches, Marcellus clay, and we found it. The most entertaining speech we ever heard signed to David Eisenhower and with that he gave up all thoughts of suing round. Win viral viral viral in nineteen fifty three and it went viral thirty three and a third. By the way, their people to this day will come up to me at the roundtable or the places they do you have a copy of that speech. Bill towns, if you don't got one I can give you. I mean, it's just you can't imagine the number of people that don't copies of that to me. Unbelievable. So ours was founded in started in nineteen fifty three and let me let me tell you some of the people who are with him who. These are the founding spirits around hip, of course, Bill Townsend. He's he's holding forth in his own law. Herman Lee Donovan who was president of the university of Kentucky. I didn't know Dr Donovan, but he had a marvelous reputation in this town. Then eighty kirwin kirwin. I knew kirwin ABC kirwin was the was a historian did some extraordinarily fine work on John J Crittenden and then Johnny green of the orphan brigade. He's the one who originally edited that fine book kirwin came from Louisville. He played football at the university of Kentucky and became during World War Two the football coach, and you can imagine in the middle of World War Two. What Kentucky's football team was like not much. It wasn't much throughout my young life. But it must've been really at a low ebb during Curran's coaching tenure there and he became president of the university Kentucky. So he was there a great historian. But also, a an early administrator of the university of Kentucky a home in Hamilton was their home and became a very, dear dear friend of mine, and and. And Homan Homan came from Fort, Wayne, Indiana, he went to Williams College, and then got into journalism and was a a newspaper man for the Fort Wayne news, and while he was a newspaper man, he wrote the two volume biography of saccharine Taylor. And he was he's like Bill Townsend he had a profession, but he was so interested in history that he writes two volumes. The only Barbara Fay's Baga fee of Zachary Taylor ever done. I mean, far as I'm concerned, and then he decided in midlife I'm going to go I'm gonna get up. So he gets up at the university of Kentucky, and then becomes a professor. So he's attending this meeting as a fellow who is in his final years. It is getting his PHD. In history, and he became one of the most popular historians and professors ever at the university of Kentucky. And if you knew him, you'd know why he's was the perfect gentleman. A- terrific human being also present was another old friend for whom I worked for many years Hamilton tap. Dr tap came from Springfield Kentucky. Went to center. College was a graduate of the class of nineteen twenty two. And he was there for the famous football was there during nineteen twenty one the famous football game with Harvard, and I asked him once if he went he said, no I didn't go the game. But we went down to the Western Union office and listen for it. And they would they would announce as the cables came across. They would go out on the front straight announce Senator just gained two yards. Bobick Mellon took the ball to the right and his tackled around the thirty six yard line of. As close as you got. But. Ham as we all called him became a professor at the university of a longtime educator and became a professor at the university. But more than that, he became the head of the Kentucky life museum, which is now wave land state park out off the Hague mill pike, and I used to work for him out there. But he was he was president j Winston Cullman engineered developer and a amateur history. Really not amateurs were isn't words overused. He was a serious historian wrote a lot of pamphlets a lot of good books and was a great photographer. And so he wrote a lot of photographic works on Kentucky's history. Willard rouse Gylfason, the state geologist who I mean, he's one of the great historians of Kentucky's frontier. Period. Living in Frankfurt. He was a terrific character. A so these were the types that formed the Kentucky around nitsa talented group. A group to say I feel like the leadership still maintains a lot of talent a lot of connections with the university of Kentucky. There's a high level of academic excellence represented there and the roundtables able to draw speakers of just the highest caliber from all over the country. It's an amazing organization. What happened after that initial meeting? They had a second one in Herman Donovan's office at the university. And they're the same group elected the temporary officers and then in November of nineteen fifty three before forty five charter members they conducted their first meeting at the UK student union, and they voted to make those temporary officers permanent. And that was built Townsend as the as the president of the roundtable. And then Hamilton tap as the secretary. He was the secretary for twenty plus years, maybe say nineteen fifty three. Oh, I guess twenty two years. I mean, he was forever. The secretary around able he had a great way with words, which I'll read to you shortly. But. So Edward Dabney who is a banker here in town. The old First National Bank became the treasurer. And they were in the same building is built housing and then the head an executive committee. They put together and get these names Thomas Dyonisis Clark, Tom Clarke, the great story published. Multiple works on Kentucky history. An terrific. Character was one of the he was one of the founding executive committee members of it. Jay Winston, Cullman, Herman dodd-frank Frank rose who is president of Transylvania university. Even Philip Davidson who is president of the university of Louisville, and then Charles farms Lee, who was mayor of Louisville on the executive Willard rouse Gelson that was the crowd that was on the executive committee around any now even today at the meetings are members from Louisville Frankfort long every lurk Sinti, Anna Wease released on the tug fork. So the tradition of traveling to the to the meetings is still from across Kentucky is still it's still it's still mid still maintained. There was there's been something you could tell it as a ten year old attending a meeting downtown. Everyone in. There was one dressed up a number two. They all imbibed before the the meal, which was almost a tradition. It's a ceremoniously imbibed and then sat down for dinner, and we're waited on. They liked to have sit down dinner, and you could tell by just as young kid that these people were one seriously interested in the civil war. They may not know a lot about it. But they're serious interested in learning and they're gentlemen, it was all men then and they were kind to one another. They enjoyed one another's company and that camaraderie. Has been evident throughout the entire life of this organization. Yeah. And it's today persist today, we have men and lots of women who come. Yes. There's still a sense of there's a sense of formality as well as a sense of camaraderie, and it is a great occasion five times a year when people still do that. And like from the very beginning. We do only five meetings a year. This has been a tradition from the very beginning. And we made on in September November January March and may. So if nothing overburdened no-one a Monday night a Monday night. Yeah. And it always to you always depart and a timely way. Never it. It always ends round eight thirty after the speaker and the QNA after the dinners been served speaker gets up. It really is a great occasion move. Yeah. You know, Bill Bill towns died on July twenty fifth nineteen sixty four. Okay. And. The gentleman who became by acclimation, the president of the roundtable on his death was home in Hamilton. And one thing I'll always loved about. This roundtable was the. How well versed in the language all these characters were they really were. You've you heard Bill Townsend. But home in Hamilton was a spectacular rider, a spectacular master of the English language as was Hamilton tap. And the things they wrote about one another about events there. We're we're classic. But this is what Holman Hamilton said at the first meeting of the roundtable after in September after Bill passed away. And he said he said this. Tonight. I would not say a word about the career of William H Townsend or about the charming books. He wrote or the professional triumphs. He scored these are in this fear of common knowledge now appreciation of them has appropriately passed into the public domain and posterity will be earth. Ultimate judge permit me instead to voice for you. What any of you his sincere friends would surely say let it be underscored here. And now that Bill Townsend in this organization built a solid community of spirit and s spray a delightful appreciation of man for man, a brotherliness a rare achievement of. Affection without the slightest sign of affection. This do we not agree is the best in Kentucky. This is friendship. Others might use the very words he used, but those same words would fall lifeless and dull he had a sense of timing a significant pause and awareness of contrast and a flare of drama if Kentucky inns have long combined in an amazingly attractive way characteristics of the earthly and genteel. Here was a man who above all others represented the quintessence of the combination. How rich the heritage how pervasive the influence? How meaningful the tradition? Even we cannot finally say, but who would deny that the colors in the tapestries have Kentucky's historic past seem less likely to fade because a Bill Townsend color, charm, imaginative excursions, tantalizing anecdotes and the zest for reporte. We experienced them all at first hand because we knew it. Ours is a treasure of cultural comradeship with a premium far beyond material calculation, and that salty son of Anderson county is that catalyst to whom we are all indebted like Mark Twain, whom in many ways Bill Townsend so strongly resembles may we not paraphrase the lines of the Australian, poet, Robert Richardson. Warm summer sun shine kindly here. Warm Sud southern wind blow softly here. Green sod above li-, light light good night. Dear friend, goodnight. Goodnight. That's an example, just how incredible. I'm people each list with how beautiful eulogy the most beautiful I ever read ever heard. But that's what he said in that night. The. The the the speaker for the roundtable was the the great historian bell Irvin. Wiley bell. Was a graduate of as berry and got his PHD at Yale. And. Taught it Louisiana state university. And. Then taught at Emory and people like Charlie Roland like Otis single, Terry. Who is president of the university of Kentucky, bud Robertson? They were all students Abell Wiley bell. Wiley was the dean literally the dean of American civil war history. And he wrote not only great books himself. Johnny Ravin, Billy yank to volumes. But he wrote two he edited tons of memoirs and diaries of mostly confederate soldiers because he came from Tennessee and bell was the speaker the night that home and gave that talk and bell got up and before he began his talk. He said built Townsend. Represents to me more of what I love about Kentucky than any human being. I've ever know. What attribute? So. That's a remarkable tribute from Bill. Yeah. Yeah. Wonderful and we've gone through a whole crowd of great presidents. I mean home, and of course, became the president for a significant period of time. I think more than ten years and after Hohmann iae buddy Thompson became president. He is an auction near here in town and real character total character and after him Charlie Roland became president of the roundtable. And of course, we know Charlie Charlie's hundred one year years old this month. He was president from nineteen eighty four until nineteen ninety four and Charlie like Bill Wylie came from east, Tennessee, bell Wiley, love Charlie roll out. He middle issue. But Charlie got his PHD at LSU after getting a master's degree at Vanderbilt, but. Charlie taught at Tulane university. And then became professor of history at the university of Kentucky, and he was above the last of a group of historians at the university all of whom were connected with around table who were among the greatest southern historians in America, one of one of the greatest departments of southern history and in the country and Charlie held forth at the roundtable for for ten years, and Charlie is still is a character. But he carried that torch on through until nineteen ninety four and then James clutter became president. And when he left Jack Cunningham longtime treasure the roundtable took over a lawyer here in town, and then I took over in nineteen two thousand thirteen that's the genealogy. The roundtable the roundtable. Mr. Townsend was something of a poet as well. Your film bourbon in Kentucky begins with a poem. He wrote. That I hope our listeners will look into the film is called bourbon, Kentucky bourbon in Kentucky history distilled. Right. Yeah. And you can see it off and on Kentucky educational television. Yes. And through other forms. I think it's probably. On prime on prime it is. But if you gins with you before portrait of William towns in the old helm place, right reciting, a poem. He wrote about bourbon, right? Yeah. It's a it's a it's a poem. He he wrote about his friend. Jay Winston Cullman. Okay. And without going through all the poem. Yeah. What it is. Talks about how the two of them sit down in front of a fire and talk about Daniel Boone Zachary Taylor, and how they sip are corn. That we'll end this episode the witnessing history education foundation podcast. Thank you. Become an American hero. Who participates in our mission by joining us at witnessing history dot ORG. Download our documentaries and free teacher education materials that conform to grade level education standards at PBS, learning dot ORG follow witnessing history on Facebook, Twitter and linked in.
243 - Finding Your Bourbon People with Jeremy Mandel
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Now we don't WanNA use this as a self serving platform but lots of people want updates on what's happening. So here's the latest last week Ryan. I visit our broker where we get to do. What's sort of unusual in the bulk source market where we get to actually hand select every barrel? Now we've talked about this before and you're going to hear about it more but this time. We tasted through twenty two barrels and wound up chosing three barrels of tenure Tennessee Bourbon and then we also selected two barrels of a special Ri-. We've got a few months until the Riley bottled but this stuff blew our minds at only four years old because it had such fruity and bubblegum flavor is that I think it's going to take everybody by surprise we've also purchased four barrels from Finger Lakes distilling and we'll releasing more those relatively suit. We've got other things in the works as well and you can get all those updates upcoming barrels in our patriarch community. Lastly we have finally touched down in Georgia and more specifically in Atlanta where there are select retailers with limited amounts of episode twenty one and it tastes just like candied. Pecans next week. We have two more barrels going up for sale to our patron community first before they are released. The general public and one of these barrels is our first ever fifteen year old bourbon release. It might just be one of my favorites because you know. I love that Oak. All right. Let's get on with the industry news right now corona virus on everyone's radar and we all know the travel industry is hurting because events held worldwide are being canceled. But what does that mean for the spirits industry? Chinese consumers are really tailored more to Scotch in Cognac? Am By you where it's going to be hit hardest. The has already cut its full year. Twenty twenty profit forecasts by two hundred sixty million as bars and restaurants in Greater China remain empty beams in Tory said that the corona virus situation is creating challenges in key. Asian markets and. It's twenty thousand nine hundred full year results for no record anticipates. The outbreak will have a severe impact on its China and travel retail business and cut its guidance for organic growth in profit from reoccurring operations for fiscal two thousand twenty two four percent from its previous expectations of five to seven percent in response to the industry demand for greater clarity during global threats. I W SR DRINKS MARKET ANALYSIS. Which is the leading authority on data and intelligence on the global beverage? Alcohol market has revealed plans to launch. The I W SR CORONA virus risk assessment model also known as cram tool quantify and forecast the impact of key global events giving industry leaders data driven insights in situational forecast to navigate the situation and manage risks to commemorate the celebration of its. One Hundred Fiftieth Anniversary old forces opening the first ever. Whiskey row retreat. It's GonNa be a unique immersive Bourbon apartment experience. One lucky winner ended. Guests will be invited to stay at whiskey row retreat during National Urban Day on June fourteenth in the entire guests experience at the whiskey. Row Retreat will center around unprecedented access to the production of the Bourbon. The brand and the people behind old forester the contest winner. Andy guests will be invited to partake in special activities at the old force or distilling company including experiencing the process of creating a barrel joining Jackie's. I can in a single barrel selection and custom cocktail such as learning how to make the brain signature perfect old fashioned to enter the whiskey row retreat contest. Vange twenty-one an older can enter by sharing on why they think they should be chosen to win in. Stay at the whiskey row retreat. And you can do this by visiting old forester dot com slash. Whiskey row retreat. The entry for deadline is April twentieth of twenty twenty four roses small batch select is expanding beyond its twenty nineteen initial launch of only being five states new markets were small Bachelorette will be available in the coming months include Colorado Florida Illinois Indiana Massachusetts Michigan Missouri New Jersey North Carolina. Ohio Tennessee Washington and Wisconsin independence. Dave Company Andy. Boswell family who you might remember Brad. Boswell the CEO back on episode one eighty five are giving one million dollars to the University of Kentucky to further spirits research. At the James B Being Institute Kentucky Spirits the Gift Will Fund eight New Maturation Facility. That will allow the DEEM INSTITUTE TO EXPERIMENT WITH BARREL AGING SPIRITS PRODUCED IN ITS RESEARCH. Still Ary the only one of its kind in the United States. This new warehouse by a six hundred barrel capacity and become an interactive classroom and laboratory were students and scientists can tackle real life industry issues. Do you find yourself talking to the same people every day about Bourbon and realized you talk to them more than some of your best friends from school. Think we're all in that same situation? Now that's what today's episode is all about. Bourbon has magical element to it. That seems to bring people together across every demographic and share a common bond. But perhaps you're getting started and you want to figure out. How do you find your Bourbon? People we sit down with Jeremy Mandel. He's an Admin and founder refused facebook communities and he's also one of our patriots supporters. We go through what it takes to find connections with other like-minded individuals that can be done either online with people around the world or perhaps it's in your own backyard with meet up groups urban societies and much more. You'll come away at the end of this realizing you've probably followed some of these same steps already without even realizing it and hey if you want to be part of another community join us on Patriots where you're seven hundred plus members strong and growing every single week as a final reminder. We are doing our twenty twenty bourbon pursuit audience survey and we want to know more about you our listeners. So if you've got thirty seconds to spare and I promise it's only thirty seconds. Please visit urban pursuit dot com slash twenty twenty survey all right. It's time for the show. Here's Joe from Barrel Bourbon. And then you've got Fred Minic with above the jar. It's Joe from barrel. Bourbon myself on our master Distiller Trips Simpson spent weeks choosing barrel to create a new batch meticulously sample every barrelled. Make sure the blend is absolutely perfect next time. Ask you bartender barrel Bourbon. I'm Fred Mimic and this is above the char money. Oh we talk about it. It's the root of all evil. La Wish we had more of it and people tell themselves that money can't buy you happiness. Will you know money is very very very important? And right now you have distillers from Washington to Florida and from Texas to South Dakota all scrambling going to banks. Venture Capitalists Private Investors Angel Share. People Friends family. Hell you might even just randomly run into someone on the airport. Hit him up for money. There are so many people looking for money in this space and people. Just don't understand whiskey. I sometimes wonder what the world would look like. And the distilling business if mainstream businesses understood. What this world encompassed that in fact at Bourbon is its own audience. Bourbon is as big as a sports team or a NFL franchise or even a sports league. It's bigger than a lot of television shows and people would actually just kind of wake up and look past the alcohol aspect. We may be hearing about brands that he never even knew about. But because somebody can't get the money that they need to start the distillery of their dreams we're not gonNA hear about him and there are people like Cedar Ridge in Iowa where the farmer the winemaker. He leveraged his house everything that he owns his land. I mean I think he might even leverage the kidney to to start the brand Cedar Ridge. He kept believing in it. He kept believing in it and he kept leaving it and then finally got a big big break and that is just it. Everybody needs a break in this business but it all starts with the money and I'll be damned if there's just not enough of it to go around and that's this week's above the char. Hey did you know that I have got a new podcast? It's in the music interview section. So helped me become The number one music interview podcasts. On apple over there and search for my name the Fred Mimic show. And then we'll have the number one bourbon podcast and the number one music interview podcasts. Go check it out until next week cheers. Welcome back to the episode of Bourbon. Pursuit the official podcast of Bourbon. Kenny Ryan and Fred here talking about a fun cultural topic this is this is something that even this podcast witnessed started. If it wasn't for the type of pot or the topic that we are actually talking about tonight in it's kind of really I guess you could say it's a way that you you branch out a little bit you end up growing. We've all had friends that we get through school and college or work or anything like that and then you'd finding oh I can find friends and other things such as hobbies and and really urban is one of those things that we talked about. All the time it's what brings people together and That's kind of what brought this. Podcast together I mean Ryan was really on the idea of A. Let's start Bourbon. Podcast and I think I know this guy named Kenny. Yeah we weren't really friends on so we were. We were acquaintances at that. Point Really Ironically enough we both liked. Edm before Before Bourbon so that was the introduction and then the bourbon kind of brought together but yes. Bourbon has definitely like. I'm amazed at how many people in how vast network has become just because of Bourbon. And like it's crazy like nuts. It's a cool very cool thing and very humbling. Things so yeah. I'm excited to talk about because it's been so blessed to meet. Somebody fortunate. People Fred included nudges doing your yard. We're now friends how I feel. You were actually friends before that too. Yep exactly so I feel good because we're fred now. We're you know we're facebook official friends so I feel like I made it. Yeah you can get to see everything that's happened in our personal lives and kind of grown since they're now now we're getting to the point where I think is there a day that goes by. We all don't text each other. I don't think there is actually. Yeah so it's like it's like Text like part of an episode takes chain started like six. Am Kenny jumps in about ten. Yeah you get started way too early. I don't know how you do it. Not By choice. Got a five year old. Elbowing me in the back. Adding it up so our guest this chimed in there so let's go ahead and introduce them and and kind of really start talking about the to the subject so tonight we're joined by Jeremy Mandel. Jeremy is a member of our patriarch community and came to us with this topic so Jeremy. Welcome to the show. Thank you been listening to. You forever will happen here. Hopefully we're making a dream come true tonight on pursuit. Thanks for putting up with us all these years. I can't even the long Da. Dum Meet Your idols terribly lame. Jeremy let's hear your coming of age tale of Bourbon. How did how did you really get into? It was their first zipper. Some sort of introduction growing up had a you know like I would imagine a lot of people do just in high school. I guess I shouldn't say that but I'm pretty sure it's common we've even even master distiller say they started. We had a little poker with some friends and there was. We would always try and get a bottle of something for our games and We found a dinner truly was finding We were fine. We found a bottle with a nice little horse on top and it was a round little ball and My goodness it was delicious. So that was back when you go into a store and buy some land But that kind of kicked it off. went through college and then Probably two three years after graduating college and went to the University of Arizona Was talking to a buddy of mine Tori Levy who was in my fantasy football league. He beat beat all of us and when I sent him the money. He sent me a picture of him. Cracking a a pappy fifteen and I had read about that but I never had it or even knew anyone that could get it so I said how the heck did you get that thing. And then he showed me. Oh my goodness there is Bourbon on the Internet though it was just kind of a spiral from there But you know from there you meet a whole bunch of people which. I'm sure we're GONNA talk about create a little bourbon community in. That's kind of how this whole series cardboard boxes behind me came to be. Yeah we're about to say that. That kind of justifies your your level of commitment to this. I think I think all of us have a room in the house or closet of something that has boxes of herb is just they? Just cardboard boxes stacked reconcile So much as it's a level of cheapness to I I certainly don't want to pay four dollars for a box so my goodness yeah Amazon package. I'm like is this going to be good for future? Use to ship something it gets. It gets the point now where you can train your significant other when they understand what the the right size boxes and it'd be like honey. I saved this for you. Yes my wife said. You know this perfect box to get some of those little stupid bottles that you do with the stupid bottles. The two ounce the two ounce sample I gotcha but it's perfect for your little stupid bottles. She supportive of the hobby. That's great Supportive in that. This is existing but she certainly gives me crap all the time. Oh yeah well. Isn't that her job though to give you Little Shit? I think so. Yeah just joined the club at that point. You're fine so I guess let's go ahead and kind of talk about you. Know we can eat share some of these stories of how we got introduced to. And I don't know if we ever heard your story like Kinda how we're you know did. Did somebody introduce you to Bourbon in sort of how to that that process? Yeah I've man. I was drinking Bourbon Actually drink in high school like that so I was not You know the only time that I had drank high school definitely was wasn't Bourbon. He was smoking. I use doing hard drugs. He's doing those double dragon drinks so when I went to college I became a big You know beam drinker and You know on my first legal drink was you know Jim Beam White and I remember going into the liquor store at that time and there was like old fitzgerald and well. I mean think. I've all thought about this a lot. I wish I could travel back in time to stillwater Oklahoma when I was just turning twenty one which would have been two thousand and and just like clean those shelves out because they were loaded loaded with stuff that now I would you know. I've spent four or five hundred to twelve hundred dollars on so it's I definitely was not drinking well but when I when I was drinking Bourbon. It was always Jim Beam White label if I was like In wanting to live high on the hog get maker's mark. But but who's who's the person introduce you like. Did you actually just go into the store and say like I think I feel like Drinking Fraternity Party? I have? Yeah so who gave me the bottle? I don't know know I will say probably the moment that I fell in love with it. It was It was probably on a fraternity boss on our way to New Orleans from baton. Rouge I we were there for like some kind of convention man it just it just it felt it was very tasty. I love the taste of it and then I found myself like ordering Jack or Jim Instead of beer or sometimes both and You know at that at that young age and then when I was when I was in Iraq I couldn't you know is against the general orders to to have You know to have liquor or have anything so I would have friends You know poor out listerine bottles and fill it with Jim. Beam Jack Daniels at the time and does your stupid bottles. Yeah if you were if you were if you compare like a traditional bottle of listerine next to like beam or Jack there the same color so the MP's couldn't Couldn't crack it open. Because they couldn't they wouldn't necessarily think to look at that but So that's how he's doing. I actually did have. There was a a unit That would go into northern Iraq in our bill and they would buy cases of liquor and occasionally like the South African contingent. That was there they would break it out so like. Bourbon is all in my adult life. Bourbon has always played a role in terms of like where I really fell in love with it. We asked with. You is with my wife. You know because she's she's a big bourbon drinker like you know and I started in. I was just drinking. It was I- appreciating it prior to her probably not. I don't think I appreciate it many things until my wife now. I WANNA make sure she gets that sound bite. What about you Ryan? We're we're I think we talked. I think this is actually episode. One right episode. One of verbiage suit is where we talk about ours. But let's go ahead and rehash years. Yeah so thinking back. Down Memory Lane was in Bardstown as you may or may not know from but No yeah definitely man. That's all on you get like Bourbon royalty. Dna in your blood. Yes in law connections yes throughout but now the first time it was like at a field party and My buddy his name. Piketty annot we're name but he had Evan Williams and coke Let me try that. In his first Amish converging on it was like oh this tastes like sweet nectar like this. This is amazing and then from there. Yeah just drank so much. Jim Be White Label in college. Oh my God I can't even drink it now like game and look at it because it brings back so many bad memories but good memories but Didn't start getting serious till I duNno after college. I mean my dad does a lot of work for the Bourbon Industry. He's a machinist so he does toland our pair and I would deliver parts to him are for him to the different distilleries in our member. You know just seeing the bottles they would always give him stuff and then I would take it to a vividly. Remember taking like Semalaysia Craig. Twenty one's in Noah Mills fifteen in taking him to college parties in like totally mixing a coke or Ginger Ale and like just had no clue what you know what I had and So yeah just kind of progress from there and then like really appreciate. When I went I went to school at Rutgers in New Jersey. Kinda nobody there really knew it. So kind of preached the Gospel of there and Kinda started really dive into and then I met Kenny and then found out. There's this whole world of collecting and trading and flipping collected. You know all this stuff and then soggy go down that rabbit hole and then I'm like well why don't we? I can't just like have the Hobby. I gotTA start a business about it in Kansas Leisurely. Enjoy Bourbon with friends so Like let's start a podcast but Yeah it's now you know. I'm no one's a stranger to me and so like I've just reached out to anybody that has the same interested in me. I'm not afraid to talk to them and reach out to them. So I've met so many people that enjoy bourbon and it's been like crazy and it's cool because I'm from there when I grew up. No one gave us shit about it. Now everybody gives a shit about it. You know just seeing The town flourished and stuff. It's pretty cool. The absolutely we'll touch more in like meeting New People and stuff with inside a Bourbon All kind of recap mine. I know I've probably said it before. I have the same sort of cone tail as Fred over there. So I joined a fraternity on the University of Kentucky's campus. And I I mean I remember back. It was ten dollars for a twenty four pack of Natty. Light and being an UNDERGRAD. Yeah you always get ten bucks. You give it to one of the juniors or seniors within the fraternity. They'd run out. You come back that's your that's your. That's your drink and for the evening However remember hanging out with some of the older upperclassmen in yeah they were all sitting around drinking bourbon and coke and back then our drink a choice was kentucky tavern that was that was our Goto and that was kind of like my first introduction. They were actually known as a fraternity was actually known as one of the biggest urban drinking attorneys on campus. I don't know if that was a good thing or bad thing at the time but because everybody knows what happens if you get a little to bourbon drunk when you're little young and stupid but back then it was It was a it was a way to kind of get an introduction to it so of course mixing Bourbon and coke however at the time you know this was also a time when you're drinking not to sit there and enjoy your drinking to consume and and have a good time and you know all that aside you don't feel as bloated when you have a few bourbon cokes after you do have like eight to ten eight to ten twelve beers so it actually made you feel a little bit better going throughout the night and now the next morning interrupted by. Dad's famous line is nothing says on episode. One is if you're if you're drinking beer. You're watching the party if you're drinking bourbon you are the Party so I've always loved that line but anyways so let's go on to the next t shirt but yeah I mean that's that's sort of how it started for me in ever since I did that like I was always one person that was kind of like preaching like always do Bourbon Cokes. During college seemed like the easiest way to do it. Not only that is me and my roommate. At the time we became social shares. Social Chair is a a a nice word to say party planner for back in college in the fraternity days and so our biggest. Actually this is what I truly miss. About College is that your biggest worry is where we're GONNA party on Thursday and Friday night and that's that's what you had to set up and so backed in. Uk was a very dry campus. And you couldn't have any alcohol within south paternity houses at all so our goal was say. How do we have house parties and still serve liquor? And so what we did. Is We get? We got those massive gatorade jugs that you see on the sidelines of football stadiums and we filled those and it was one handle a Kentucky tavern to two leaders of diet coke and so everybody drink bourbon and coke at the parties and that's how we We continued to flourish for a while but after after college than is kind of when the appreciation started I didn't stop drinking bourbon it was diverted cokes and that's where the progression starts where you start getting rid of the coke. You start getting rid of the ice and you start. Learning to drink at need. Old Forester became staple for me Every once in a while splurging on small batch. You Know Fred you you talked about going back to the store and thinking of all those bottles that you could have had my God. Even I went to the liquor store and when I was there buying for parties I would buy probably gosh cases of six or one point seven five liters of of Kentucky tavern every single week. I don't think I even looked at any other bottles on the shelves. I always looked at bigger out work. Could I get the cheapest prior like odds overpriced yet? I mean that was. I didn't really know any better at the time. Indiana's even when I even after college. I didn't really know any better either I I was drinking forwards a small batch. I didn't know limited limited editions even existed until I was working at a company and I. There's a guy that worked there in. We talk about Bourbon all the time. We'd sit there and talk about bottles. We come together in one introduced me to limited editions and this was Twenty twelve late early twenty thirteen timeframe something like that and he's like. Hey I got a few extra things. I'll just tell them that cost because I'm just overflowing and so. He sold me a four hundred twenty fifth anniversary. An old ripped squat bottle. A Jefferson's I think it was twenty. One may be in their all retail. At the time I was just like. Oh Gosh like eighty bucks a bottle. He sure about this and and so. That's that's kind of what got me onto that train. And then of course as Jeremy said you find out about online forums in the whole world of different things. Start opening up to you of things that you never even knew existed. And that's I think that's really where the rabbit hole starts for most of us and I think that's kind of where the conversation keeps going for a lot of us here because the online community is really where a lot of the relationships are built. It's also a Lotta relationships. Go to die and get pig. Let's be honest. There's a lot of butthurt that happens out there so feelings journals vergamo world. What are you talking about? Yeah right you mentioned one thing and then all of a sudden you've got people either hating on your Lovin. Yeah so Jeremy. Kinda talk about your introduction into like the Bourbon online communities so my buddy. Tory said Hey I got this happy. Fifteen finally found a good use for facebook So I got invited to one of those deals saw that I love Bourbon wise was Blanton's and got on there and within five minutes I saw somebody was selling bland's it was dated in like nineteen eighty eight. And I didn't realize the WISC the existed before I drank it though bought that nineteen eighty-eight Blanton's and still have about a quarter of it And really from there. It's sort of just went into a network can almost fall into this accidentally and I'm sure that y'all's experiences a very similar But you know you find some people. They've got good relationships with and now report of a few groups that really proud to be a part of and it's been really cool and you know I've got a network really across the country coast to coast and actually even out of the country just from those stupid facebook groups. Can you in like in most major towns if you need to sleep on someone's couch in your new Bourbon? I'm going to Florida for business on Friday and I am crashing in the spare bedroom of a bourbon friend that night. No way it's awesome. We'RE GONNA be drinking well. Have you met him before in person? Yes a couple of times. Actually I have not picked a barrel together but we got to take part in what to me is. My favorite part about a lot of this stuff is the charity component And there was a guy in Florida Had a really terrible cancer diagnosis and Young Guy. About Twenty one years old twenty two maybe And without getting super deep in the details of it I went down there last year because we raised him bow Seventeen eighteen thousand bucks and I went down there to To go with him to present the money to imminence family and that was the first time that I crashed his Crashes Place that we met that time. Like here's here's a check. By the way. Can I stay? So this is actually the crashing at his house but we have But that's that's always a lot of fun. Of course you know my my wife thinks it's ridiculous but we're in this city I gotta go see this Guy So but yeah you get this network and I'm sure you guys are all the same in that regard you've got kind of people all over the country that you know from random guy helped me fine this thing. I was looking for and of course my my wife would say. Why are you looking for that? In the first place you have two hundred something three hundred but this sounds familiar. Never heard that before but But Yeah it's you know you form these communities we've we've been able to do a lot of good We've been able to do a lot of bad too but But it's a lot of fun and it's a soul kinda separate world that you get to be a part of all around this brown water stuff that we all agree up. I was GONNA ask you talking about like meeting with individuals but do you ever like Like throw get togethers. Were your your buddies that you've met online or whatever you go to a house or you go to a bar. Do you all have like special events or anything like that. So nothing. That's terribly scheduled but one of the urban groups minutes called the Karma and we did the first one was. It's kind of always centered around barrel picks so about a summer of twenty seventeen. We all got together for roses. Big pick couple other things that I'm not remembering right now But you know there was a thirty thirty five of us to get together remember. We all went to haymarket one night and that was his last And it's all these people who I recognized from one single picture But it was really cool so we we've done that a couple of buddies We re barreled all bunch of Nashville number one. I think it was from Buffalo Trason. We threw it up in a barrel of buddies farm in Tennessee and we all got together about two months ago to see if it sucked And fortunately it didn't suck so he had a weekend at AIRBNB on river or lake or some body of water. And it's a it's a great time and saw those people end up becoming some of your best friends. It was really a really bizarre but actually ends up happening that way every time. I go meet my Bourbon or Internet firms. My Wife's like what are you doing going to be your Internet friends. You're going to be on dateline one of these times. The the barrel pick that I went to my wife was convinced I was going to be ripped and merge she was. Oh Gosh I think we all get that that every once in a while. I think my wife is getting more attuned to it Because of course you know through our community through Patriot week. We get emails all the time we try to make it. We can have people saying you know we'd love to just come and meet up for a drink and sometimes we can make happen and she's always Kinda like all right. I'll just make sure you text me need to table in case. I remember one thousand going to meet with Kenny couple patron guys and I got an Uber. And Timmy's like text me as soon as you get there and like make sure as soon as you leave takes me and I'm like okay. I'm promise I'm GonNa make it home. They're not gonNA kill me or a tag team we can. We can take anybody but back to go ahead Jamie. Let's say you guys look tough. You can take him Kinney's not I haven't worked out in a while gotTA wire your wiry. Yup I am so. Let's go back to the you know the community aspect of this You know you had mentioned Karma I mean are you. Are you in in with the other groups and stuff like that where you kind of find those ins and I guess are there. Are there certain types of groups that create more bonds than others? What do you get if you mix Seattle craft? Texas heritage and Scottish know how that's to bar spirits to our spirits traces its roots to a ranch in rural Texas run by the founder Nathan Kaiser's family for six generations Nathan grew up on the ranch was stories of relatives. Bootlegging moonshine and after moving to Seattle. 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A pursuit series release chairs are there certain types of groups that create more bonds than others so community wise on the part of two groups. That really are my bourbon community. I would say One is Karma that was a cost plus Shit group which. I'm sure we'll talk about what that is. But essentially it's I because of that. I feel comfortable that if there's ever anything I want to try From some What's a good example I'm a poor roses that four roses might top of the line Particularly the Oh yes. Oh Recipe and liquor barn had a OS Oberle the month ago or so I got two bottles over there and but I'm down in Texas next because of the connections that made my cost cost ship group Karma. That's been a great deal. You meet all kinds of great people also part of a barrel. Picking Group called. Twenty one kings and I've made a bunch of great connections there. I'm going actually going to be up in Kentucky a couple of weeks to pick a four roses barrel on Willett Ri- barrel and that's really. It started more as a. We want to be able to pick barrels and not shared among two hundred people kind of thing. But you know you make these connections with. It's really interesting. There's not a lot that I've experienced in the world. The bonds people together like picking a barrel Bourbon. The I don't know what the secret sauce will. I know what the sauces the common denominator you pick a barrel of somebody your pals You know you talk talk the whole thing through with a painstakingly excellent process if you do it right and I've been really lucky to get to do it a few times and I'm really excited to get to do it again. Here in a couple of weeks But it's been a really cool experience. You know you get get Really really good Bourbon Awry or whatever it is. You're picking and you get to make connections with people would at least for me. Certainly I never would have made those connections otherwise now. I'm totally with you and I I guess that also kind of thinks about Really where it is the relationship start. And how does it build it? I I have the same things With with two other buddies that really we we knew each or we didn't really know each other and then we've kind of found each other through Bourbon. Their personal lives You start knowing about their children. You know about their vacations. You know about You know where they're buying a house. Ra's yeah everything getting. But I mean that's that's kind of like how it kind of blips like that where you should. I say really kind of snowballs. Where you you kind of have this common foundation and then from there you start talking to them more than you did. The people that you went to school with years ago And and they become something because it seems like Bourbon is like an everyday thing. It's constantly changing and the people that care about it always in tune with. Yeah absolutely the. It's really nice. Aside from just the personal connections is just great to have a network Othello. Dorks talk about that stuff with you know. There's I live in San Antonio which is You know it's got a good bourbon community here but sort of from a maturity level It really only became a big thing down here in the past. Three to six months So you know. I always thought the esquire bar had a really nice bourbon select choir it's fantastic And you know they do. The the Santo Cocktail Conference down here. Career was in the back of the room. Less time you did one. You can stay on the couch next time. Yeah that's right do you mind. I mean Saint Anthony's expensive. Yes if you don't mind golden retriever sniffing around. You can always got a couch here but there. There's a few people here and there but like as compared to say like Houston Houston's nine I know you guys had the the Houston urban society on a while back. That's been a big deal for a few years now. So like just as an example and I mean no disrespect in saying this in the San Antonio Group the old Ezra seven year is a big damn deal right now and it's a it's an excellent drank and I really like it for what it is. But if you've been into the hobby really deeply for five plus years then you know you're drinking other stuff too So it's locally. It's not as far down. The line is like a Houston or obviously anywhere in Kentucky Which made the online community is a really great thing for us. I guess another question with that is are you seeing a lot of so you have your local society and that's another place where a lot of people can go in and find some of those perfect connection this. Bourbon friends that live. They live in your local area. Most the time you might find it on the Louisville page the San Antonio Page and then you see each other meeting and then all of a sudden things happen through there. Yeah the IT's funny I'm hosting In Ryan you joked about Iras. But that's that's what I do for a living. I can't tell you how many times one of my bourbon friends would send me a text message or in emails like hey you mind if I ask you about this thing so actually do know about a lot about the Ira Bourbon Esp on earth. Gift but Yeah you end up. I just right before we got on here. My Buddy Josh Hayes. Give me a call at talked to him for about a half hour and Bourbon didn't come up So it's really cool connections like that. You know another thing that we kinda talked about earlier to kind of keep this train going with the kind of online community theme is. We're talking about Raffles. In how these these kind of groups that are based off raffles it also kind of creates a little bit of Camaraderie Because you've got people that they all try to play the same number and they fight each other for it and they get to know each other through there or there's somebody that consistently wins somebody else's raffle all the time. And so you have you have this also built into even though it's an expensive hobby but it's something yeah we Like in In Karma might might cost ship groups. It's the stupidest thing in the world. But when when mega ball went from fifteen numbers to seventeen hundred nineteen or whatever? The number is not fifteen anymore. We were all very upset because at diluted our chances of winning stuff so we had to create our own weekly drawing which is I got a Bingo machine. Back their son. Some did our own damn drawing. Because I didn't want split a bottle. Seventeen ways almost fifteen ways but yeah. He ended up particularly in some of those secondary raffle sites. You can lose just an absurd amount of money if you don't really check yourself. Yeah Hey Kenny for introducing me to Raffles Risky whiskey in particular after awhile you you figure you know. That's the reason billing it. I had to delete social media during the week. Thanks a lot after awhile. You end up as early. Uganda quit planned But back to the community aspect of this you know we we look at it as an opportunity as as well to branch out. You know Myself Gotten to know people through these communities and in Your Jeremy. As you mentioned you'll travel you'll go somewhere You know I've got connections now and a lot of states you can. You can travel somewhere. Eno- that you can confine and somebody and you can hang out and have a good time. You don't have to go and meet up at a bar somewhere to go and and hang out and ultimately I don't know about you all. I'd actually rather go to somebody's house and dig into their collection and try something unique than I would just rather meet a put a bar well. It's it's funny we My buddy critic lyman was tear probably six months ago. And there's Three guys here locally. They're a part of the Karma groups that were part of We went out to a bar all meet up in about halfway through my trying that Bob Dylan whiskey. We all that stuff. I hate to break off on that. But what did you think of the Bob Dylan Whiskey? I will wasn't a tremendous fan of grow Sydney like it at all. It was growth about it so there is a okay. So it's it's it's difficult. And they got like the bottom of the barrel of the dickel barrels Because it's like metallic you know there's like there's like this crazy like weird metallic note in there. There was something to it that I had not tasted bourbon before. I don't mean that in a good way and it inspired us. We were Fred you mentioned the Esquire. We were down the road from the ESQUIRE. So maybe that was our problem but we all That that drink inspired me to tell her because the dust bar in San Antonio for whiskey at each of our individual houses. Can we please just go there? So that's what we did. No better than the Bob Dylan whiskey. Yeah I'm sorry. I interrupted you but I had to ask your opinion on it now. I don't totally remember. We're going with that but you're absolutely right. That's sucked Fred. I mean a friend of you if you had enough connections now when you go somewhere that you'd rather not go to a bar and you'd rather go to somebody's house and dive into a you know a weller gold vein or Roy Moore Weller some old dusty Kentucky Tavern or Evan Williams or something like that I've had I've had some weird experiences Please do you. I've had some weird ones But I you know. I'll say that I still like to see what's going on in the town five years ago. I was like I don't want to go to a whiskey bar. 'cause I have everything and I don't want to spend that kind of money and rather just Kinda go hang out and see something else Now I'm kinda going back to the I feel like these. These bars are working hard to promote my culture. What I love and I gotta throw him a bone. I gotta I gotTa go in there and pay my respect to what they're doing so that's Kinda how I think of it now is like I. I don't think of it is like you know. Look at them in their prices. Just what they are if they're price gouging. You know be very vocal about that but in often to like I ended up correcting spelling errors and menus. I mean for God's sakes why can't spell will it correctly it's But I I feel like I have. I have a purpose and I'm supposed I need to be visiting. These great temples of that are bastions to whiskey. And you know if if they invite me and I'm GonNa GonNA show you know. Check it out but indeed do I like go into someone's house and going down in the basement and seeing seeing the collection I mean that's like to me it just it doesn't get better than that. Now what's weird is when like you now. I come in the house. And then the guy's wives down there and I'm like Oh oh and the business guy in the Ascott who'd you agree out? Oh Man can get weird so I didn't sleep on their couch like I'm GonNa go till now. Yeah I mean it's it's fun to look at this and and and look at the relationships that you do build over time Because it does seem like a lot of these hopefully will stand the test time. You never really know Because it I don't know maybe this is another kind of question. Is You know as Bourbon becomes more prolific and becomes more scarce As even harder to find these things and and really I don't know how much bigger these networks that people were creating right now can actually get You can they get bigger or or you feel like you know what I've I don't have anymore room in my life for new friends. We're just GONNA Kinda keep it for me. I mean we. I don't know if we actually call episode this but you said the term finding your Bourbon people For me selfishly. I found my bourbon. People my biggest group of people that I care about is about a hundred and fifty people. And that's about as big as it needs to be in. We're all having like I don't know when this is gonNA air but right now there's this whole bsn. Bourbon secondary market thing going on facebook. We couldn't care less and it's been incredibly entertaining for us because I know because established by community. There's not really anything that's GONNA come out that if I really WANNA try it. I can't try it from a store. Pick that comes out to got a buddy with a bottle of Red Hook that I'm going to see if I can't snail announce it all. Yeah model if you can find your your community than these groups of fifty thousand people really. Don't matter all that much so I guess another question is So you've found your people We already decided. Three's enough we're not bring on a fourth call. Hosa we've got our people but how do you? What would you say is is a good way for people to start getting introduced in sort of like vine there. You don't find their Because you say they're missing connections there yangs of the Yangs of of the Bourbon community to me every every good bourbon connection. I've come into is because somebody was doing something nice for somebody else. You know whether it's you know there's last year Almost city liquor ear had a fantastic Elisa. Correct pick bought a bunch of didn't help some friends that otherwise wouldn't have been able to get it get it and they became good friends. That favor is I've been on the receiving end of that favor from different places all over the country and Great Bourbon connections for me rarely come from trying to proust price. Gouge somebody on a whatever store pick of the month. It is but if you know just be cool with people and treat everyone this. You know what guess Cliche but tree people the way you'd WanNa be treated you'll end up knowing some really cool folks. That's what's that's what's happened me. And that's the advice that I typically give people on between Carmen Twenty one kings. I really don't need to know anybody else You guys can't be your friend. Jammie one of my favorite things is like. I get you know when when when I travel. I do often like to kind of connect with someone. Who's a listener reader just like Or you know. Follow me on instagram. I really do try to make an effort when I'm out to like go hang out with people and My favorite thing to do is like learn about their jobs. You know because I find that we have in people's police people's beliefs because what I have found is is that Bourbon is not it doesn't attract one race or one occupation or one Political or religious beliefs. I mean it attracts everybody and to me. That is what's so beautiful about this category is that. I could be in a room with a staunch Democrat and a starch Republican. And they absolutely hate each other politically but just sit there and talk about. How beautiful A new rift barrel pick is and we'll talk about that now. They have three. They might get into some some fighting but once they crossed the threshold. But it's Kinda like you know Henry Clay you know the Great Kentucky Statesman. He said he wants said that Bourbon was used to lubricate the wheels of justice. It's like this great like door opener for conversation. I think even if you have the three drinks if you had come come each other from replace respect in one of my momma good friends that I've met Injured Goodman is a dairy far left person. I am not And he lives in New York City. I was there for business meeting We went to one of the bars there. He bought me some finish. Seventeen Ri- nope finish twenty-one Ri- And we talked politics for good our and we walked out of there not hating each other in. Its magic. How that happens. Nowadays you practically can't do it. Yeah what problems did you solve on and out now getting none from the we? We solve the problem of how to get more. Oh Yes oh for roses but we salt any any national issues. Although that's become a national issue but you know it's it's a conduit for really good conversation to like that that I never would have had otherwise when we continue to have frequently and then when it gets to be too too much we both saying. Hello we don't WanNA fight with each other. Let's so I kind of talked about it earlier with my connection pretty much. My Mentor taught me that. These are limited edition. Releases are and he was able to like. You said he gave needed a at at at cost so just to make sure that. I'm not dealing with a story like this. I want you all to kind of talk about what are what. Are Those relationships that you formed that? You've gotten like a really really good bottle of Bourbon out of just because of fostering relationships like that. I I've had a lot. I've had a lot of gifts and the gentleman. The gentleman passed away. Unfortunately he was His name is del Hamilton and he He was like the last He was the guy who like got cola approvals for still weller and he was like the last Last Guy United steelers the before you know before they closed the weller and so he has this you know. He had an incredible collection and I helped him figure out what some things were. What some bottles men and you know. Wages and he came to my legend series at the Kentucky Derby Museum we just. We just became friends. I I would visit him at Christmas in he would come in. We'd have launched play with my kid and He gave me a nineteen thirty five bottle of weller not was like a Green Green Label. Blend and It was fantastic and the first time I opened it. I cracked it. Open with Tom CLICO from top chef. Has just that right after my top chef appearance and I wanted to celebrate with them and so I- cracked it up with them so I had like to to really cool friends. You know that that Bottle kind of connected me to coming out of the gate. Strong here Ryan. I think you should follow that. Well you I've had some great connections and relationships with people like bill. Thomas was kind enough to invite me to his house and stayed the night. Crashes waiting crashes couch. We had a room but But just his collection like we were at his bar and he's like guys. Let's just go to my house. It's so much better here. And he had a green. You Know Green label or not Green Green Bottle van. Wyk Arrive One early editions. It's the best bottles of ever had Drew Kohl's Wien grew up with him from willits. I mean he's he's one of the kindness generous people he shares a ton of stuff from me but the the one the person I remember the most is probably my brother in law. I won't name any names but he works at Heddon Hill and he likes Bourbon but he knows how like obsessed I am with him and he always goes out of his way to give me like a parkers or an old fits release. That just came out like he always is just finding ways to give me something and I'll always cherish that. So it's all it means a lot to me. That's that's a relationship by blood. That's hardly fostered overburdened. Inside but we grew up friends before brother-in-law's we were friends before so but yeah those those are the bottles that are that need the most me absolutely in my case it was really about people knowing what my tastes are and as I kind of grew up in the hobby and grew up in a community of people that would know the things that I enjoy and would suggest that I try something in. Oftentimes the suggestion would come with a two ounce bottle of it showing up at my doorstep. And that's how I figured out that I love national distillers products Some I was telling somebody kind of the things that I liked about certain things that were my favorites and then before I knew there was a bottle of nineteen sixties old granddad bonded That showed up at my doorstep and I guess I should be upset with them because it's caused me to lose a whole lot of money after that. It sounds like that sounds like Ryan Ryan. Went on a huge old granddad. Kick for a while out. Gosh nearly for me. Any of that. Old Nationalist Ciller stuff is really just killer. Kinda hits me right and whatever. My sweet spot is for whatever reason on tonight? We're we're friends now. Hey I got some stuff to send you but That for me is the big is one of the cooler parts of the community. Is You know people who know you. And I know other people's tastes and if I see something for example I got a buddy who is a big q lover at for roses and I am not anytime. I see a really good Q. I know exactly who it's going to a CPA office in Indiana Because I just I I know that somebody that will appreciate it for more than I really is. I mean and I think that's a good way to kind of start wrapping this up because we we really hit on a lot of things of really how. How do we have? We find your people right. I mean it. It all starts by a friend or somebody. Introduces you to Bourbon. It's very rare that any of us just stumble it on our own or Or maybe maybe you do get turned onto it by social media or for the general media. Tv purposes stuff like that but for the majority of us. There's somebody that gives us that introduction and I think that we have all been in a situation too and I know anybody. That's probably listening to this podcast. You know you're you're one of the geeks out there. You're one of the people that truly hone in on this craft. And you really appreciate it. So odds are is that you're sharing the love of Bourbon with somebody else. And so that's just how everything continues to flourish and grow and then from there yet then it becomes like L. At me on. Facebook magid if you groups and then at that point you you've just you're all in and as as Germany had mentioned earlier in the boxes. Just start showing up on your front door and and your pay pal account gets a little lower but that's just out works. Best is our so Jomon. Jeremy Thank you so much for joining tonight this again. A fun topic In I'll go ahead and kind of let you kind of see what you're gonNA say there. I don't think I was gonNA say any that you're looking at me. It's the rule of thumb is just I mean and it's the rule of thumb for more than suburban community. But don't be an asshole So you know if you if you just a nice guy. It's amazing Kinda actions. You're coming up with twenty one kings is picking a buy a barrel of Willett Ri- You're in a couple of weeks and I'm fortunate enough to be one of the people doing. I never would have gotten the chance to do anything like that. Had not been able to be a part of these communities. It's really cool. It's cool experiences. Got To Adam really thankful for that. I guess the other bad thing about being these communities to I didn't realize for years I could just drive down to Willett and just go pick up bottles in the gift shop and I could've been I could've been doing it all along and I just I just didn't know so that's the that's the bad part but it's a it's also a good thing. Is You have a lot more appreciation for what you do. Have so Again everybody thank you so much for joining tonight. Jeremy do you have any kind of social handles or anything like that? Where people can find out more about you. Anybody who wants to? I guess I'm around on facebook. Jeremy Mandel twitter at Jeremy. Mandel instagram at Jeremy. Mandel if you WanNa talk to me for some strange reason I'm available. He'd never now. I know where to send Fassino ESO ZAGREB WHO to call all of Euro. Aso's to me and I'll figure out some way to repay you'll be happy about very interesting very interesting. I know you kind of want to just go pick a whole barrel of. Oh Yes oh now just automatically. Yeah I like I have one It was for my Picks the icons of whisky when I picked those fucking which was at the the seventeen or eighteen. We had all the recipes it was. I think that was a I think it was like eleven year old. Yeah that was. I think. Twenty seventeen when that was really good. Yeah it's incredibly Dorky. That I can just pull out of my head. No so that was when I was with Whisky magazine and that we did that in. That was like the only times you saw all the all the recipes and now it's back when for roses. I mean I think they brought out forty barrels for us to taste and guide. You lucky if you get four now so as the way the world now all right. Let's go let's go ahead and we'll we'll sign off so again. Jeremy Thank you so much for coming on tonight. That was a pleasure talking to you in seriously. Thank you so much and bringing this topic up because it's fun to to really take a retrospective look into really kinda how we all got here in and why many people are still actually listening to this podcast because they all have some sort of coming of age tale. That's probably very very similar. So make sure you check out. Jeremy on all his social handles makes you check out in pursuit as well as Fred Mimic on the twitter. The facebook in the INSTAGRAM's in if you're like Jeremy and you WANNA help support the show. He's part of our community. You can be part of our community as well. Patriot dot com slash pursuit. Think your body that is part of it and thank everybody that joined in the chat and watch us live another perk of just being a part of the communities. You can be a part of these things as they're happening and Chat along with us so with that. Thank you everybody and talk to you all next week.
Episode 88 -Prestigious Cocktails!
"Why don't we just dive into the let's dive shoot shave I my okay just hang on lights Shadab I'll be back in and our gentleman of poor hygiene clean just hasn't been knocked up I guess made by these guys called the mixologist brothers Oh oh yeah cocktails wherever whenever you like the mcsally brothers offered cocktail bar services for higher center and what are we gonNA present tonight for Drinks I'm gentlemen of elegant leather we are doing we're doing too wow eight nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight yeah that was the year you your after you graduate for our that we received from our friends and prestige decanters and you can to contact them at Prestige decanters dot com and order some of their fine products Dave consistent you know I just I still hearken back to episode eighty six where you and I thought we just wing take two recipes that came in the Prestige decanters Brookshire areas of Donald across them. It's it's weird we find in Sir I'm ready you guys are doing cocktail fans and welcome to the gentleman of elegant leisure I'm that's right as I said in the last episode that's eight hundred eight I think was the last year I was actually happy your gap year except for now all of episode for now we're now going to get a couple of drinks India maybe that's what makes the difference you've I'm Jason as as Fred to the Oh yes quiet quiet little funny and this is episode eighty eight recipes in the strangest places books full of recipes online online sober information online production oh yeah remember that yeah barely replay that again people can just go back one classically trained yeah surprised we've been able to and then they were flipping through this after the last episode Dave I think they said hey there's a couple of recipes offer private and corporate events Mobile Bar Company and mixologist consultantcy craftsmanship elegance and quality guaranteed well they're on instagram but challenge professional presenter what are Harry Enfield's father fashionable both gonna be ones rocks glass old-fashioned earlier we're old fashioned we are old fashioned I won't stand you are it says garnished with lemon rind and Bert orange wheel so I don't think we need smoke I think just burnt orange wheels gap year it was it wasn't the university went to university I think it was the last time I was actually happy it was in Kentucky Kentucky I think I think so one of those States Nearby Sale Louisville Kentucky North Hubbard's but it's funny because like a capital I in but it might be a lower case l and an end anyway we should in fact we don't even have the glass a tune for the second half of the show when we do the Kentucky smoke light something on fire now the first time I heard about Interpol was one of these gals we're GonNa make whether I'll give you the two names okay and the navy will determine from there once called the Kentucky smoke truck and look at home Jason is only getting out say who who anybody listen nobody listen I get that's the best you can say about the next step up three fifty percent more seem to be chuckling so so how how happy Davis about this yes he do he's not looking forward to it at all all right so really you coordinate all worlds police forces on certain things and so they don't have their own swat team oh now fred doesn't the torch on birth looking for something that will make smoke in here we need to make some smoke we need smoke that would explain why it's all raspberries nor did you senate completely ineffectual they're like it's like the cheaper Dahmer's except for police forces well I think when Mickey Mouse was with Interpol I'm sure he had a weapon of some sort mickey mouse packing heat I would think so I don't think listened to the episode or is just the two of you oh yeah I said well there's three of us the next one I'd say he's in charge of the Pr Yeah Anji Brothers so could we have them do it here I don't see why we couldn't just have them do the show entirely yeah where Kentucky is that where it proceeded the most the first time anyway so the so these it's coming but they still exist today not they do not as big as you think three guys pretty much three guys and it's an internet clearly to muddle means to smash violently with your fist and our mudder but I forgot to bring the muffler how do you feel it's finger up three fingers honey fitted inside the trigger implying that somebody that only has queried after these things now really we're just talking to somebody so just listen guy doing the play he said I'm Mickey Mouse Comic really yes three all year for me I think the last time I heard about a poll was probably that same Mutley or world dumbbell nowhere or school of some sort but I noticed that my home so so we have double yeah Interpol those to the Interpol okay this involves muddling raspberries and now it went dark in the mid seventies I've probably about nine hundred sixty eight but mickey pag in each of his fingers as design Fists Mile I'd like to I wish I knew more it was a it was an advertisement in comic book to join Interpol Finger cannot also be high think he'd have employed line forth you'd have accustomed gun made up a number of fingers it's just the size of those things served in the sense they're in the state summer I might be laying it might be North Hubbard's lane is this an international police force no not really wrong real cold air they assure yeah information so they and the interesting thing about saving money because if you want to muddle raspberries Yup by looking at them all whiskey we're gone all in on the exactly look a little bit my my my famous grows is getting a little low famous oh you pick up your latest copy of Mickey Mouse Interpol agent now and so it was trying to play a more dramatic element sex they wanted to so we're improvising with everything else zero meddler soup bleeding which is actually almost perfect designed for this that one is called Interpol brought a torch for the smoke crack my gosh so you think that's more of a part to kind of thing sit around to see lady enters but you know you're a little more modern unless I'm going to leave because she's going to say something stupid showdown at the OK corral also done in a shot it's so it says o shots as a measure yes all right so scotch whisky is probably my favorite kind of whisky from Scotland Oh yeah no of all the whiskeys making Scotland Scotch is the is my face component I don't think they don't really they're more like the run the CIA they're like the poll really it's more eating find would you say it's a raspberry flavored liqueur it's extremely raspberry flavored look here do you think the have it dumped beyond this this beautiful bottle I don't think I've ever owned a bottle of this which is good that Fred had it yeah it seems to hit all the notes even as we speak in fact I know I have it at home be yeah all right well next week I don't know where it is I'm already muddled raspberries as it's certainly gilding the lily but now this is fresh squeezed orange juice I know because I squeezed at several days ago that's the Fred purge backwoods workout yeah that's it probably Golden Ratio Horatio. Gosh yeah I know did you hear that and they're gonNA say anything thanks appreciate the honesty of the Interpol is done in shots it's just two shots of Scotch whisky so I'm going to treat a shot as an ounce sure on account of that makes sense to me and he was highland single Malt Scotch the freshly okay I didn't do it yeah I did it earlier today when I was burning my orange wheel here that it's now it's October fifteen prime raspberry raspberry gorge season Mexico it is all the time all the way through the thing when were you born many there was born in one thousand nine sixty nine well how'd you come back in ninety sixty eight when you're semi famous I want to improve my rep you're only being and I thought to bring an extra seven got I did once you muddle Oh it's the neighborhood that I live could've been could've been got its own this is brilliant and now assess the strain this into a rocks glass over fresh ice yeah if you've ever seen holy grail yep this is very much like the holy anger because you can't drink every night Ahmad Liberty the second so we got six raspberries muddled two ounces of whiskey a half out of Chambord half ounce of orange juice quarter of announces this one's more full I think yours all right this is mine doesn't my live doesn't even close properly anymore no maybe we should use and we went to a quarter ounce of simple syrups let's measure it out here in to our Handy Dandy measuring device do that because we're not licensed to use that so walking out that deal straight double strain because I'm doubly strange looks least color wise and what is this one to one per water purchaser it's fantastic it's everybody's favorite ratio sure is yeah it was like Oh why the it was an ad within the comment to say they printed them at sixty eight they didn't just evaporate yeah these comics at ten year old comics I might have it at home not anymore thinking we can spilled the raspberry or here yeah pungent dumped dame stable still sounds up both of these cocktails and they don't exist no there's an Interpol but is completely different really so this is a unique a Lotta liquid in here so we'll just keep this keep coming I guess they just keep pouring in simple syrup a dash of orange bidders and now we shake shake shake shake masquerading at Interpol oops sure lots of a sledge you're masquerading burton the President Johnson their brothers smothers brothers welcome to culture that's free and now this had involves a sham board which is this this is actually the holy hand grade of and actually brothers the brothers brothers I don't know the gentleman elegant leisure brothers no Doobie brothers Reddish and it's full of seeds Oh right but you must have brought the strength to let's use this Guy Hawthorne a little bit tale least under this name right that you would only get by knowing the mixologist brothers. That's Rick thank you brothers Zoology I guess the real question is yeah that that you gave me fritters thing you make him a little stringy Channel Two's pretty good somebody's brothers yes they could be the Andrew Sisters the rape the righteous brothers no no there's it wouldn't be brothers thought it was does the same alcohols and why would that there was partisans I really don't police are Imbo. There is a lot of pulp too delvin Indiana No Louisville Kentucky Potato we double our recipe we'll put into just a little bit of orange bears in this bidders somewhere to the divvy talk the trick we made on episode eighty seven right I wonder if this is just a damn debutante is a Rosemary Raspberry yes but I think my brain is trying to trick me into saying there's also a chocolate flavor in it surnames Oh wow all right not at all no I'm just getting to those here we go okay I was expecting something right Serie flavored yeah and it is but it's not it's a different raspberry flavor see what you mean grouse you didn't get a feel bad that you're grosses overshadow and you and yeah we do have one hour wait until later I wanNA make sure that if we were going to ice the glasses there I can't be can't have that an ice cream the villain in between drinking bouts why is your and then I'm technically not drinking it has orange bidders in it and I brought some and you brought some is there one that's fuller one that we want to get rid of her one that's better or worse Sir it is cold he's nobody told me that was going to happen so this is going to be really meet I think we're looking Reddish Wanna do that you will do that first one we're still sober or do you want to save it for the second guy I think that's what's GonNa keep people listening to something touch single Malt Scotch Raspberry look here raspberries orange juice which I think think of that Rosemary Smoked Jin we had that other time and there was no way that they're not fire in the Rosemary factory tried to navigate Bert. You're going to get done that to go back yeah just to bring out a little bit of that Rosemary smell the simple syrup which dave has been kind enough to create for us and it's got several skillings and rigging simple syrup is one of them orange juice whatever you get off the rosemary the twist of lemon chocolate in there I know my well my thumb covered in one hub culture brothers some of the beach boys brothers some of them are cousins a semi complete strangers most of my dead and uh-huh and so yeah did everybody have a good Thanksgiving Slash Columbus day I had rose very vanish with with a little bit of lemon I is now no no no not yet there's no flame yet come on my channel tool and you just hope to get to that point where it was doable that's very pleasing thank you brother. Yea Thick with Bacon don't think they've watched the glasses bacon in them. Yeah sure the same it's all of years has a nice little stopper because yours for only a Dash uh-huh Downtown Vancouver Yeah Not Downtown Louisville Yeah no exactly you'd think this was fancy yeah especially with the agree very much and so this is called the Interpol made by the mob Brothers well let's lonesome in this town everybody puts mid down ramp people at home was in Houston they kind of get back back to Houston Houston Houston Houston enough to do anything long enough to drink yeah you post some Drake Graham. I had wasn't the Australia so balanced that I can't really tell one thing from another no good way it's hard to tell one thing from her mother Oh sure about a leg of Lamb Bulu let's do such a heady fry that her name tapping but no there's a whole bunch of like you said it's hard to pick one flavor us on our website or perhaps you can talk to Ryan Reynolds Probably Carpool so yes it was not much to it was any hose the middle pitch yes but it's very nice it's interesting I'd say it's a balance drink right I would tell us I say don't worry about revenue around there don't they say they are guys sites blows in Houston does our wasn't there uh-huh and it's interesting too because they don't actually specify what Scotch to us so we've used a single malt highlands Gonyea believes Tequila Grand Marnie organic Ogilvy nectar which is simple syrup just fancy in supplemental lime juice that's not true though right taste of chocolate something what's in here is not as acidic expect expecting to beat more is that this is at the it is kind of the sort of gestured thing bacon right and Bacon a little lemon rind around the rim that did anything different and you did not enough to say hey I'm the so you think you're no good at making those things until you get the right tool then you realize you're brilliant yes I don't know if that made any difference because it just fell into the drink and then lemonade webinars when I would have been tempted to do when I'm going to do it right now since I got a channel in front of me you were just in the United States of America I was chiefs I would not have guessed that I because I did it and therefore it must have done something much murray which is probably why the excelled Arkell people have hair this is the clean from here maybe it looks like you've been eating Cole else can you just have to coordinate together people to seek to her people don't if you're out there area by all means you can make the first step there's a little email the McKenzie brothers we have to instagram they meant so they know that we're doing their stuff because this is something I mean if I were to this downtown with Pacific Rim I think get to guide us with Rosemary what I brought on by very own garden I forgot all about Rosie forget about rosemary she says these things about I'm sorry in the cockpit and the singer Shota Marion aggrandize bullshit I said Judas abide yep we'll have around the show soon as we can get our schedule trigger rosemary and it's bigger rosemary is about as much as I want to go in the new craft cocktail world you know what I mean yeah it's up there that's pretty good because it is the eight who grandba- which is sounds like she's a singer yes I want yeah I was expecting something completely different which is a a friendlier Scott Cento this would have been like Hulan yeah that's what I was I was either this or are bank level delicious agai Sir would have a very savvy flavor garlic flavor but when it hit makes mixing Tequila not enough but it was it was well I called national TV picture yeah that's a picture I put up on means take nobody's business he shouldn't have strawberry Margarita yeah I don't think they had forces of weirdest should have had a Mahita each of the head where he so it was a substantial but yeah no they pour freely in America they do sometimes to the detriment of everybody there a new Finland which I guess you might as well a bit for sure on vicinity Newfoundland was his name but he didn't he the French have you ever been to Louisville no ain't never hardly been anywhere got him to order a Margarita and the drink itself but if it was a proportion so it was it was a tasty drink it was I I asked him for Mahyco I'll keep it how about holiday on the freeway lesku COPs is at a restaurant in Mexican restaurant where they didn't know what about he no idea it's he kept taking a sip of the exclaiming how horrible it was right but he finished it nope he said I'll give me a beer well Margarita is a horrible drink why would they do I did want to get into it I you're you're a polite Canadian I wanted to cause trump I said what is this this is the worst thing ever had jozy became Iras as soon as you get over five yeah another drinks had been so I thought Mccain without the mid is just rum so it was healthy it was a good size volume as you know but it was truck full of jour- Chuck full of wheat germ and barley title. I want something I will have to check with the barks at you know if you have to check either you kept picking like they did like the line and he doesn't like he doesn't like to kill it never had it before that he said it's horrible right I would agree yeah the truck from a lime juice in Keila and if you don't if you're not ready for Abor it's he was not you're inferring lousy tax everybody else was just not GonNa soft back at this time oh no the all had to travel together out there is a fellow from New Brunswick across the way the topic is from the here so I have that and it was just fine because it's to ingredients now not including the juices on you on your Ah Yeah so I so I figured good chance they did I mean if they had me he does they'd be making me all the time no they'd be called would've liked them and heat 'em yes and they found out that they could have done it on him not a new faculty worked out great and the the One I was sitting next to the gym soda you gotTa Did any serious damage but it's not as much as I've enjoyed Margaritas an had I not been everything's wrong with it they salt around the Rim yes I love twist of lemon right if you want your Jin water bringing back this is more he don't seem Si dice would have been mean beyond the audition for Speed Channel Reality Show just missed it by this much wow ended up on worst Dr Greg Racing Car for twenty one chevy you know small block as you know interesting I have a sub ten doug alright Sassy they're gonNa tell me your have she has provinces vacated them a have not province that's everybody has their favorite thing I said you really should be drinking gin and tonic and she said no I should be recovering the hell I want Oh yeah insurance didn't her hobby does she go to the flats down the SALT flats in Utah for the time trials there for speed week she applied to it was also from New Brunswick drinkers best today I wish we had hulley here that we could ask what she would drink when she was backing as Houston near the water. It's this is pretty close with no Kafe you near the water in the same way that drag racing so I I do WanNa take chance her hubby or her hobby her hobby she has an sub ten second Mustang people in the Uber so I think I'm more famous but not guber itself you guys were right up there right next to shame but you live in Houston before I've been to Houston before because compared being in Honolulu at one point and so that's that's a very good sorry but it is that's how hot it was it was humid it wasn't as hot this time last year was they have changed because it's everywhere and so we went in it you could get so we went for lunch and so halfway driver in Canada she's got the her own channel on you to really sorta wait till I said no we were the two most famous they come by the humidity honestly good things are bigger in Texas including the floods I'm how sausages beans and we had to wait for him when we were in the bus he was the last guy into a while for well. If you'd have more stories I would have to drag with three ballots here your story it's a short story they saw just the last time I was there a big river the Houston River chaired many but yet it's GonNa port so it's you know the the Southern States it's all deltas and stuff august so it was over a hundred times only around the ninety had the humidity was sixty five percent so no I thought it was sitting next to the exhaust air conditioning on the bus now that's why it was so hot canal well this is the story this is my little story so the last Senator Fred Story yes go ahead walking next to a bus in Houston or was he being in Houston Houston like what's next to a bus and that's it and and there was a bus there it was it was running and so the heat was just and so the bus pull away the he was the same we're dealing water like we're within driving to drive winstons of the Houston has a port doesn't not yet as big who sex in the the drag racing woman techs them because she has no patience right the wax paper that happened the risk you want a couple of slices of white bread no that okay let's let's get when they load the little waxman often you get a gun state law spoke so my salad came about a half pound of ground beef standing right next to your table staring at the plane while you're at the Taylor fiddler three feet away all right up there now yeah it's like a celebrity I was trying to get down to some of the cocktail places in Houston but it was really Boston so I was only there for Dana had no son are near you start humidity and it was just the Texas is just a horrible place and it always smells like a like a refinery eh because he was yeah it just I just got a pop into that real quick before we go oh dear remember this meal this maybe they were once they still don't mess with others a big difference different kinds of state don't tread on me I don't know I don't think the things onto the Coca Cola Plastic Coca Cola trays for carrying pop bottles because they don't WanNA spend a lot rick amended size if he wanted to just get some brisket a half pound it's all I just have brisket and so if you just our the hat brisket you get a piece are all equal everybody America's equal didn't stay tuned they don't like us just like us the great state of text but what else that was about it there's a lot of meat we went to yeah of course if we went to Texas barbecue place down there Texas Barbecue Oh yeah the big texts that we did not get a gun whether meal but we did get Saturday aided by four fiddler's a Yes for elderly fiddler's nice they were there there it happened trying to have a salad in the last night but I had a taco salad okay yeah I think we order a couple of Kentucky smoke truck man sister Garnish with lemon rind oh but yeah no it's it Carl Corpus Christie and Galveston or not too far away and so yeah and it floods raised a lot of flooding those on there you know let's see sus so we get garnished with lemon rind and burnt orange wheel so what we think that means that you would get an orange peel I have sort of imagined james thought I could scorching orange wheel could you I could not know but you have a much mightier torch well we'll see yes like the anal retentive chef it'll retentive carpenter Mel Phil Hartmann Saturday night live remember blue the anal retentive chef we will I don't know how it will play out yes dear you don't care for that one uh-huh Qianjiang him it's weird down there it's a whole different country tree sliced orange we this is what I should have opened to begin with because I would have known that I had the little guy that I've separated them all using parchment paper US text anyway it was it was good news fun it was fun but you know the hydrated orange wheel all but I imagine that it only lift like that because you've been able to cook it so much this afternoon with my team lighter and a head full of dreams are must've word idiot that's Canadian Interpol that's insys stolen year we'll just guardianship with orange the Interpol not with the lemon but I think it had enough orange going oh it had more than the orange mixologist brothers we easy come easy go I don't have really disposal donald do knife well you could or you could use God no hold now it's not moving setting up shop when Fred and I went to the big Texas steak ranch and fire that's an old newspapers some kindling would be nice but are gonna try to do they do it on a plate sure and the plate the care for this next recipe all my hairspray in today so disaster written all over this is going to be much like the Hindenburg so that was just the gas well down Oh wow yes this could keep me busy all right all right I'm gonNA use your Shaker for this one this Bergen drink or as they call it Kentucky whiskey which I thought was interesting for people from Kentucky but yeah the now you can get those for Free I get those trees the bottler decides at the Coleslaw Potato Salad beans in little cups and stuff yes well I think that's the oil in the thing we do the Ryan because minded than a little bit to write a lot of guests yeah 'cause I gone from the rudy from the airport to a cab to the cab I rented a hotel that had to be somebody for to go out and so I walked out of the hotel it doesn't come up very often the wise because it tastes for not fantastic here's drunk everything you can uh-huh a burnt orange wheel and you can see him the picture here that it does look like a dehydrated like it's been maybe it should have put it in the oven and Bert Yeah but I see what you mean wet soaking wet inside when I couldn't believe it could get a dry one that's what I was hoping for serves okay well that's a nice flame that's more flavor than I had so you see what you can do maybe you maybe you scorch them for awhile I'll make the drink does that sound it's scorching good well that's gonna be fantastic because that's how this week is going to end up let me pre ice are directly flee call anywhere near what you're doing oh yeah keep that all of that's cool scorch and this has yellow chartreuse this is this are I drink using yellow chartreuse ethics eight episodes taste for and Shiri of all things and this time around Fred has brought us nutty Salaya the I think that's pretty good you could do more even darker demoted even darker I guess I can smell burnt orange so that's fantastic so that's the other kinds of whiskey thick Kentucky riskier they all in Kentucky whiskey this time of year seemed like it would be a perfect opportunity to get a really dry orange and so when they say what did I say that they call it I had half pounder brisket and it was pretty good company of the guys had a hat on a brisket happen ribs brisket ribs and he had some Arkan weird things through this over here Oh boop plan tastic I was so scared and Fred Tipton date did you did you tip them all over that's the only way we all know that play tot good to know that tongs gave yet what your fingers that's what they'd like New Republic of Texas California's a republic to somehow and this looks like the other drinks we did last week conciliate ever drinks you have to hold the button to be sort of like a just put it down on its burnings we're using Kentucky Tavern Whiskey mixologist brother this is going to be judged by the judge is judges and judged by you finish that I'll shake up this batch the standard at us let's go because we're all the fiber from the lettuce to help process the whole operation now the wave of the brisk brisket it's ten ten second bachelor's you've really go this is like we already know that these I'll be right out they said you realize just texted you from the bathroom that let's see what maybe needs a little bit more burning all right smell burnt burnt away though yeah give that interest there because this is orange I'm just going to lay it in drink he sort of has it propped up on ice cube but we don't have that luxury in case you want to know that we're staying true date to Alice's of this double everything for the show here so don't be alarmed it's the final countdown the final people who know theory prevalent already Novus you probably do they're probably already laughing at us are using it for in a day but there's a lot of kinds of sherry there is at least four on Saturday night live remember the carpet doll really D- do multiple anal retentive think he dared to me he's like this so that's what we're what we're all your hope is more ice please don't mind Fred Lady if you didn't do that it wouldn't be a Kentucky smoke no I'm glad that we've sought to make an even cheers all right Davy thank you very much of that a great big burden orange what do they call it the Kentucky smoke track I can see the smoke comes from Kim saying that to get that defenders and wondered November oranges. Let's see how hot anything here is the whereas Zoom Sherry I can't pronounce any of those tried to get by ass product Burke caramel on the nose yeah this is a good drink here's your both good drinks these guys know what they're doing I quit no we keep bringing things to our people now people and tell him right I'm just going to tell the people where to go people goat brothers these people are professionals in over there doing that can make a balance drink they can make it in such a way that it's not even this guy will get what he deserves which is an orange twist that's a you keep saying to me I'm going to rub it around the thing independently wow but the the chartreuse is hard to get books the local store will there's just there's different styles dry sack yeah dry sack sherry maybe the ugly stepsister it's sweet it's Irby oh that sounds familiar that he had the clean power silence so you can separate them and put them on your plate and then blast him with the torch you might see a few little scorch marks on it but that's the order of more houses have you ever had a yellow chartreuse I have I bought that very expensive bottles and four ounces officer ever really see you do goals anything never know what's going to happen we'll put this out old trade to stay true the boys one dual garnishes forgot the orange on the other one on doubling up on this L. 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Chartreuse that came in the box it was about ninety bucks a bottle I think it was very good and I would just have it straight lush three dollars I'm it's easy for the home guy to do all that but just a little bit of stuff with a regular lighter and enough time you can burn website it's called mythology brothers dot com I think I mean they didn't go all out but it's concise I guess it took a it's all you need yeah there's no drunk podcast dot ca we should link birzeit to that instead of tap www dot mixologist brothers dot com this one here that's Weird Rhone Orage this this bit here and then David he gets drunk have you ever had yellow searchers try a little particularly sure you'll do for the sake of the show that's fantastic I forget the different because normally chartreuse green one is the most popular one the yellow is the his little friend I might pick up some visualize I think I'm going to sneeze about forty bucks that's thank you for the sneeze have you ever had a friend no I haven't we try to use a little sparrow separate Dave Vincent claim it's a little irby was on pilgrimage to Rome Mudan magazine that is I can I can taste that flavor in the streak the gramm okay so go to our instagram page instagram page or anybody's instagram page but repertoires okay ah forty dollars for those little bottles cheap and as I say the one that I got was the step up above it was not much of a bigger bottle I don't think yes and again beautifully balanced drink in fact that let's go to their website and see what other to do so they have onsite but Lurgi couldn't make it tonight I'm sure you know it's a very very strong on the nose now that they've got money and the lemon APU might as well put a little garnish of lemon peel on that and we need a dash of orange bidders in this one as well and some anger stirred up which they should have a say that that's good enough it'd be nice on a nice oh yeah no right or Easter old support all down your front anywhere but it came as I said a fancy fancy wooden box slid open enlightened straw so it looks like it'd just been robbed from Monkou traveling between probably a little bit of any scenario a little bit of electoral victory lately finish I think we can tell you taking pictures mm-hmm and then the other one has a really big beard and one doesn't but they both have them once taller and has haired my shorter doesn't taste like US yeah exactly they're like a two version of the three of us combined and then they have like it's like a talent in beards and beards I didn't it is exactly yeah character and preferred all that is what she said no part of the game basically it tastes like you break some paper and then ate it no in the days the forty niners is the bedroom but that's not to say that you're baker character fleeces before right but yes but before we get back to review what did it taste like now I do I'm working at US guys melts Dome Frejus Burlington Urge Carmody Taste Scott thumbing and able to see under half when we get the fireworks roll up so what do you think this tastes like I could taste like a bird from the Internet his pockets laden with the gold from the goldfields you help our forty nine a whole honest prospector Vano I'll try stay tuned for next episode gentlemen of Elegant Leather when Fred will have a full beard put your beer I'm going for the sour dough prospector. For Every Gentleman of Leisure old-timey San Francisco there was a rugged soul who had just drifted been set up getting he's he's on a Samantha Jones that's where you come exactly we're just good I'm not knocking yeah I just say that we have to find a favorite drink of those two characters like the Dean Forty Niner Care I think your guys remotely out of place we and we took it from the Star Trek episode where they all go back to uh but this still the American west British it's very British yeah burnt orange taste like burnt paper skipped known away eight the orange core that's Ford as the I couldn't do that for you could try and I could have been tried in court argest ash this would ask of any sort but not as good and I don't know how I know that you know yeah and I don't know why that yes well you used to smoke prolifically it very very well it breaks on two counts Joan like a cocktail waiting to sweet sweet I can't remember the other way around more Watson like Watson ruining as little trust this place I think it's a front it's like it's like it's invariably yes about flavors it all breaks down to Sweden not sweet and so is to have an option for somebody who wants something is very sweet I think the Kentucky Smoke Truck Yup Falls Nicely integrate serves bloodstream come in no is this what you're down on the floor we'll take care of the he's the slippery it's it's strong he doesn't have the the birds eight or anyway but yeah but it wasn't here show the Sherry which doesn't show up at all I mean from my perspective there's something about a bird fruit and or vegetables that leads me to believe now t century San Francisco High Quality Reference Point where he is you were just going for the way that I think it does add it's in there somewhere right I'm just not sure where you have but it's all it's all I don't know it's funny too and I almost imagined sweet so the drink itself no it's on the very weak Dick and that's the nice thing went off run making cocktails really great tasting Kenya Yeah not when I I got to sit down we take a load off your taste the sweetness out of it they leave sweet cherry newest not if it's quite hard I don't know if ever had such a tart cherry other than the girl I took pretty yes next week again how that shakes down the seward's Halloween's on Thursday we might have we might have a show before I don't do a show I had a very strange childhood cancer mystery work raise talking with you the openness is dull if you would that would just a generic would go bark mulch they could burn the Finnish episode offer that Eighty seven ways started to be unhappy it's there I put it in making sure you have two bottles a little lower than one but not much recipe as written we're going to do it pickpocket Pumpkin yes yes yes the other thing I could smell because that's the most common thing vegetable burn loves to cook smell you can do whatever the hell you want Dave I can do whatever the hell they want but I also concerned about my health unlike Fred who's digging is really I don't why would you why would you buy Chocula Yahtzee right I know what you're the boss of you yeah exactly but not a Cedar Park which is very specific thing that's neat about the chart oranges which is what you build up which is what uh-huh if you put a bunch of mint in front of your nose and eat something at the same time that meant is GonNa with the flavor sometimes good sometimes bad it's all you got was a knows full of bird horns which was great and then the Chartreuse I just had it on its own it really complements that whole thing has allowed the best way to read something on the radio of Kentucky Whiskey yeah half ounce of yellow chartreuse have found of Sherry the weekend after it seems a little strange November for remembrance the terrified so I had the sheriff is just like almost like exactly the Sherry not very sweet this one but yet furry hurry up guaranteed to kick Rincon pepperoni word but no I think it's funny number of thought to a burnt orange slice no but it's kind of a neat neat flavor or aroma I mean I think the Labor but it certainly is everything everything's Pumpkin with a candle down get that Talkin yes and it's almost so this is for our Halloween episode we'll do this again aw I would try and do this again I finished both the drinks and can't judge them because then you poured that little bit of structure as you were drinking a pound a couple of smooth but not sweep I'm GONNA start truce rounds off any roughness might be coming I mean verb is normally it'll the Kentucky smoke don't drink together I would order both of them twice in a restaurant yes but it would be dissatisfied with the rate of speed let's see my doctor is it just keep digging deep big we'll after the Kentucky smoke truck drew it's like when you have a smoky scotch at scotch tasting don't have it I right because it's going to ruin you forever thanks to a bidders and a Dash Amorn betters shaking up the street over French ice and garnished with lemon rind and a bird orange wheel if you're lucky enough to have irvine door else unless you hate smoky skies case feel spit it out anyway yes things are looking up but no I electric contributed a little bit woodenness because it's got the Sherry does have a witnessed or as lexical Bonilla Bulkiness Kentucky smoke truck it's got a lot it's multi-layered I mean the Rosemary's great rosemary is great but that's my birthday rosemary they last weekend and I was happy about that he was happy about it I was why wasn't about me but he got aw thanks very much hey happy birthday to you again house where you had your you people are GonNa pop out but my my my trays tonight I think was the Kentucky smoke truck I think I really liked the other one too yeah no it was I just didn't like the poll after talk guilt goes a long way yeah sorry your brother Eric are sometimes unless you by Benjamin Abor don't bite into it adds to the flavor in that stat knows flavor important that we don't know about until you've had host on the show was also his birthday Yep Yep would they is he seventh of October of September it's like CMEC in the summer you could see that working with orange it's it's Nice Bourbon is great on account of its forty percent everything's the home and so on uh-huh Saturday they got they got a couple of hours I don't know if they do this all the festivities the weekend the Vol- you just trying to get more people to come together Yeah Beatles took him as my nephews so now really liking the last Greek because I just finished up stritch head while a little civil out can thank you it's a little bit watered down down below zero down below down below with a blog post that they're veraciously devoured here the we should think now but we shut up beep but if you want us to sing your birthday wishes since my birthday was just you know it wasn't that long enough where everybody but if you've got a great I'm sure because you guys yeah no that was a great thing you had a gathering of some sort even though it was after your birthday you were raised Mike Roberts yeah there's another one this week from the perspective on what time to grow up evidence September seventh because uplink started school now I know he was never been happy since school started dumber this page youtube or instagram blitz on YouTube Dave Channel Gentleman Adleman happy since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight always feels down so he's I think it would be great September seventh because now you know Yes I prefer the Kentucky Steam Pipe what is it called thank you smoke over the Interpol and that's not just because I'm hiding out to St yes hit that unsubscribe button below I forget you ever were involved or deal unless you want to know what happens next week
Liquor Stores: The More You Know.
"This episode of the broken cork is brought to you by beverage bar serving the tristate with four convenient locations. Come in and let our knowledgeable staff help you find that perfect bottle to make you the talk of party or to create a special moment with family and friends cheers the liquor stores many things to many people for some. It's a quick in and out for a beer and a bottle to help round out their day and for others. It becomes a campground in the middle of winter as we all seek that elusive bottle of pappy. The best part about these stores. They all have a story to tell some good and some bad from the local mom and pop shop to the big box store across the way. They're all unique. But what exactly goes on in these stores to make those stories so good or so bad. We drive miles out of our way to avoid a store altogether on today's episode. We investigate some of the highs and lows of liquor store experience with the help of someone who knows the business. What will he have to say. And what other shenanigans. Are we up to find out right here right now. You're listening to the broken cork. Welcome back everyone episode for the broken court podcast. I'm dan aaron. I'm jake and i would like to welcome today. The very first guest into the broken quirk studio. Mr brian mcdaniel. How're you doing today. But doing great iron beer awesome so tell us a little bit about yourself and one follow up question. What does bourbon mean to you. But thank you danny. I'm the proud owner of three liquor stores in henderson kentucky. My wife and i and then also this opened up one and morgan phil kentucky a burmese. Me it's just a friendship burly love type thing. You know where we get together drink. Bourbon told bunch of great stories amongst friends. And that's really what means to me I think i've listened to this. Podcast death at matured over to aaron for the toast. All right gentlemen so tonight's toast is kind of a funny one To the people who love us the losers that left us and the lucky fools who are gonna get to meet us. Cheers cheers so we Decided to throw a new episode to the broken cork out. I wanna hear you get to hear a lot from dan in awe as your resident experts. But we were to here. I'll come on. We want to hear from campbell to as as somebody who's just getting into bourbon. So what we've done is we've given campbell his own little segment we'll get campbells corner coming up in campbells. Corner is just going to be that. It's where jacob is going to talk about different things whether it be bourbon cocktails whether it be some master. Distiller history so Campbell what you got campbell's corner buddy. Well honestly i'm going to tell you. I threw a little contest last week. And it really. I did it as just something to do. I was bored one day. I'm like no. It'd be great to do on on the show with the guys. And i thought about the thought about. I kept thinking. I was like you know what posted a question and the group. Hey what's everyone's favorite bourbon under fifty bucks. Had all these answers. So i held a a duck race. Random number random name generator and it was just a contest to see. Who's bourbon choose. Chosen tracy crooks when the duck race big shot the man and he chose j w dant bottled in bond. So we're gonna crack this bad boy open bottled in bond. That's that's a good time of the month for bottom. I'll take some. i will have some later. Thank you still have a little bit. You go get over here. Brian messy anyway. I knows sweet spices. Up in their fruity smooth. So smooth man that a smooth tasty to hit you right on the sides of that tongue with that just a little kick and then smooth all the way down just right as a gift to the middle of your freaking chest get that kentucky hug. Everybody knows so cable. Had a question for you. How much How much for that. J w yet. I think i paid seventeen ninety nine. So i mean it's not that bourbon and it's really good for that price everybody i talk to mccain. You know anything about like. Oh it's is really really good. It is a good starter. So i mean ali. I recommend it was going to say. Would it be something that you recommend people who are maybe just starting a bar or You know if you if you're gonna start bar get above in bonn. Everybody knows what bomb bond is especially this month this month yet this month in bourbon history. Yes exactly exactly fellas. So this month seems to be something very significant in the world bourbon march third nineteen eighty-seven congress passed a very significant piece of legislation called the bottled in bond act. It was conceived by curly. H taylor someone we all know and love i mean he has a namesake out at buffalo trace. These days people are paying thousands of dollars for his bourbon while his bourbon but his name he worked for about ten years perfecting this bill before it went to congress and a upon the passage of that it really ended a period in time where people could get away with so much when it came to bourbon You know post civil war people were wanting to get you know have a little bit of a libation and people were trying to make a quick buck by adding neutral spirits. Acids tobacco spit to whiskies. That maybe didn't look right. Maybe didn't have that burn to him. they would add water if it was just you know terrible and needed to be proof down or even the flavor adjusted Heck that that might not have even been all of the lives that they put in there. Would you want to drink tobacco. Spit anyone know it all know i i see people doing it in cups and i just wanna vomit a little bit That's just me accidentally drank it. That's when you really do vomit. Oh my goodness so where the term. That's where we get the term rotgut whiskey. If you've ever heard of that people would literally die from just this bourbon. Just tearing up their insides. I mean it. It wasn't a good time in history. But luckily mr e h taylor kind of remedied. That so aaron tell me what does it take for a by for a bourbon. In this case to be considered bottled in bond there are several stipulations for bourbon. To be considered on first and foremost it has to be produced by a single distiller in a single distillation season. So that's going to be from january to june or from july to december. So that means if if i were a distillery and i mixed barrels like bashed barrels from june and july. I couldn't call that a bottle and bond you cannot call that about and by and deigned to be completely honest on your bottom in bonn has to be aged a minimum of four years in a bonded warehouse. So they take your Your barrel and you're going to put it in a warehouse and you're gonna leave it alone for four years and you're not at least four years and you're not gonna touch it For the entire time. So all of your colonel. H taylor they stay on that. Where on that warehouse floor and they sit there in that rick house for at least four years of course eighteen year marriage. And some of those. You're going to get where they sat longer. But no you cannot move you cannot touch him the moment you rotate a barrel from you know floor to floor four. that's not for years are period. If you even if it's after the it's no longer bottled in bond. How outdated it let it sit live. I i didn't even consider that i started. I just it had to rest in the warehouse. I didn't think it couldn't even move and can't move. It's around the same spot all the time. Okay and then. Of course it's bottled hundred. A hundred proof So all bottling binds are at one hundred proof so a lot of stipulations. But i think at that moment in time it was some of the best legislation to keep bourbon moving forward because bertram almost Tanked because people were just adding so many so many things so I know we just had j. W. dan bottling bond so i would like to know from the room so danny what what is like maybe your favourite to monitor that you really like. So the cool thing is about that You don't really see the prevalence of in bond anymore. I mean it's not a. It's a historical thing now. It's not necessarily something has to be out there. Just because of the wonderful quality control that we have now in our distilleries but one that really stands out to me. I mean it's in my collection had up there on the shelf that wild turkey. Seventeen year bottled in bond is going to be a good one when i opened it up Brian what what ball in bonn kind of for me. I'm gonna go a different route so for me when people come into store. They're asking me for most bang further bug for about him bond Recommend agreed the bottom bond. It's excellent and what most of them will say. Is you know their grandpa used to drank that bottle in you know And they remember that and They take it home and most of them enjoy it but it is a great bottle such a unique bottle to with the orange green it is. Yeah it actually looks very retro for for what it is for the price. I mean it's really good price. What is it about. Twenty two dollars twenty dollars. Price range not terrible at all unless never mind. That's another topic jake. What do you got for your bottle. And don't do the j. W dant you just did it. I was gonna say new riff because everything they do is excellent and everything they do is bottled in bond. That is correct all job that refund. Well i mean. I tried the christmas the winner. Whiskey doesn't do best product they put out. That's in my taste great product. What your bottled mom man. I'm going to have to go with to here. i really really again. I'm when i think about bottled in bond think a bang for your buck so early times bottled in bond and about that one skill williams bottled in bond. Both of them. I like to evan williams. You can mix it. You could drink stray but that early times bodily in bond twenty five ninety nine. I think some around in there and it is just absolutely the lipsius juice. A hit thirty really. No i've not seen. I've never seen it hit thirty all so dan are there some others that maybe we didn't mention some other. Good bottling bonds maybe your local liquor store well since i guess. I'm the only one that you mentioned the high end stuff. I might as well just keep going as you know. All of the currently h taylor's are bottled in bond. Except for i think the barrel proof barrels. i mean you can't consider that one Old fitzgerald has their decanters series. That still maintain that bottled in bond title. Seventeen ninety two carries a bottle in bond yellow the yellow label delusion. It's some good stuff Heaven hill. I know there are a lot of heaven. Hell products out there. That are balden bond. You have william heaven hill. The thirteen year and it varies in age and they have a seven year. I think bob limbaugh now. They've discontinued the that you speak kentucky only in now there's a seven year darn you have to call a bridge but But speaking of other bottles. Airing what are some of the bottles that might be coming to a store near our listeners that they want to kind of look for well in march You're going to have your barrel. Bourbon batch twenty eight if you have not had any of the barrel bourbon. I know some people kind because of the price point there around ninety dollars per month. Goodness every every ounce of that juices worth every penny so i would look out for those barrel. Bourbon batch twenty eight. There's a barrel seagrass awry. Whiskey finished in martinique rum. Madeira and apricot brandy barrel. So put that one on here just because you know it's sounds a little different. You know it down. It does looking forward to it. And then you're woodford reserve masters collection batch proof. What's that What's the proof ringing in on that. When this year aaron that was going to be around one. Nineteen point eight. So it's a little bit lighter than last year's ashes. One twenty three. So it's going to be a little bit less but it's also going to be in the new bottle and those new bottles are awesome. I do like the. I do like the new bottles. Excuse you so Brian let's hear a little bit from you. What is a teaser. What can some of these people be looking for in april if they come in maybe one of your stores or and other store in the area. Oh so april blaine about twenty two year that's could be released and then also there Do as packed number seven will be released as well. So are all blood. Oaths in caribbean rum. Cask ser is do. We know what blood or what number seven is going to be. I haven't seen what blow is going to be. I'm not exactly sure. I know it's not always in the same cask This past year. I think it was was cognac. This year was the year before last year. Pack number five was cognac. Passover six was caribbean. Okay i it was just all. It's all over the place. I know i think three or four was like cabernet. It was just always so it's different maryland. Yeah it's it's a different blend to our love about berga. Always it's cooking wine. Cast this year wine casks straight from the bordeaux region of france or no. This isn't a jake cody. With the knowledge jake and his own segment becomes now. He becomes an expert. I feel. I feel like i'm not needed anymore. So with that being said Erin my buddy. What's cracking in your life. right now. man what's crack so Little of a teaser. If you want to hear more about this If you wanna hear more about our trip to heaven hill join us on our facebook page. We'll have a broken cork uncorked but you have to be a member of the facebook page to see that and so we're going to talk a lot about our our trip to having heal but I have had the logic. Craig a one. Twenty-one wait who thought. I thought so You eight hundred. Twenty one is really really good. It's a low proof kind of like the beef nineteen twenty. It comes in at one. Twenty three proof One twenty three point one in case anybody is is looking at that but stickler alert really really good use also had the opportunity to finally have a larger craig handgrenade one of those little bitty little bitty hand grenades and Man that stuff is so good so jay. What's cracking buddy. What's cracking oh man you would ask. What have i had to be honest with drinking my normal stuff. I did have a saint cloud and that was really really good really good. Oh my gosh dude you know. The funny thing is i hadn't ever heard much about. I needed it. Just kind of popped up on. My radar was like saint cloud. What is this bottle is a kind of leaves you wondering because there is not much of a label on it. There's a gold emblem in the middle of the bottle and and it's one hundred and fifty dollar bottle and your is it worth it. So would you pay one hundred fifty dan. Well yes just because of curiosity but then again it's like you're taking a shot in the dark. And what if this one hundred and fifty dollar bourbon drinks like a dollar Truth you're going to be so disappointed in what you bought so now dan that you've tasted it. Would you spend the money now that i've tasted it. Yeah yeah i would. Yeah i easily. I i was. I was kinda hating on it at first. Because it's like it's a no name thing kind of like when you had to do a little bit of research on that blue run. Yes for For the raffle right I and now it's like it's hit everywhere. Yeah so don't sleep on the saint cloud so brian my dude. What's a what's cracking in your life so with me. This is something you just turn me on today. Danny oh yeah that wilderness trail single barrel. Yes i win win. I've been waiting for another four for like an hour now. My glasses still empty. I'm like what the hell poured it all of love all around after he was not the wilderness drill single barrel. It was j w dan but sadly wooden israel single barrel not tried it. I think it retails for about what fifty five sixty bucks fifty five sixty bucks store picks are going to run you just a little bit more Especially because the one you had has one of those glorious tater stickers on the back of it and those do cost a little bit extra. I think i paid sixty five for that one. But that's still it's good. It's worth every single penny five-year heavy tar barrel sweet mash. Yup yep delicious high rye mash bill really good so i guess it's my turn. Yeah yes it is. Oh man so then. Yeah dan what's cracking. What's cracking i'll tell you what like erin said. He and i got the opportunity to go into bardstown this past week. And you'll have to tune in to facebook for that one But we went up to the looks row distillery and upon the shelf. I saw the lux row twelve year. Bourbon should about it. And i i had already spent so much money on the trip. My was bleeding. By that point it was running down my leg. And i was trailing it behind me but anyway i should have pulled the trigger. I mean hundred. Twenty dollars like i said for the saint cloud even on something that i haven't tried is a big risk but now that i've actually tried this. You guys need to get to row and you need to grab yourself one of the twelve year bourbons because you're only going to find it there and it is so worth the trip you come into the town and you see all the rick houses you see. You know the bustling of of the downtown area. You can go to all these restaurants all these bars and you'll find out about our bar trips and the little extras. We did in the broken cork uncorked. But for now. I'd like to talk a little bit about some bourbon news. If don't mind gentleman I know i talk about new lot because i I i love new risk products. I think that for a young distillery. They do a lot of good So as of the fourth of march we missed a big big day They release the fifteen year relief. Bourbon and it sold out in two minutes which is really good. Because of all the proceeds that they raised for all the the fast food workers and all that was what a great cause. Have a buddy who actually got a bottle. So you'll be able to at least get a a little nip if he He might be able to let us. He might let us smell it right. I mean look at it. Yes look at it from twenty feet away. But i mean the the stuff that that bottle stood for you know helping Fast food frontline like retail merchants who have been impacted by cova. That's such a big thing these days because a lot of little ma and pa shops like i said are are shutting down People are losing their jobs and it's really cool new rift to be able to do this and give back So jake you like country music. Yeah yeah so. Tell me a little bit about this chris. Stapleton charity outlaw state of kind. I actually think. I retweeted that on our on our twitter page and the he teamed up with buffalo trace and he released one I wrote it down. He eighty called an outlaw. State of kind I it's it's an extremely limited single pick. Its stated that the stock is limited less than a hundred bottles and nobody knows exactly how much he hasn't said anything. Nobody said anything. It's just been kind of it's been pretty you know pretty mad. He is signing five balls and they're up forbidden on cherry buzz and their estimated value at about five grand. That's a lot for a bottle. That's a lot but it's chris stapleton it's chris stapleton and the man who rewrote tennessee whiskey and women everywhere and some men everywhere fell in love and then got people who knew the song before stapleton did it. And you're like it's a good song. But i heard the original first thousand dollars. The maze. your idea. I think the last i did actually check out charity. Buzz dot com. And i looked at in that is way too rich for my blood right now at least a bit in because i mean when i looked at it was up around fifteen thousand young. Glad you didn't for one bottle you would have ended up winning in. And then i would have. Yeah but but no it. It all goes for a great cause All the proceeds are going directly to help the people of texas who just got absolutely pummeled by that random winter storm. I think i saw a bunch of pictures and funny photos and everything it said. Hey northern states. Your weather is drunk. Get it off my lawn. I have family in texas in the they had never experienced anything like that. Oh yeah i mean they say you know people being mean all the time they say. Oh these people can't drive in snow well when you'll never have snow you don't know how to drive. We never have snow. It's like us going to texas and having to drive through tornadoes right true. We don't really have them and we would probably get caught. But not only is that benefiting texas but here recently kentucky's been kind of ravaged by a lot of flooding and Specifically buffalo trace a lot of their buildings are under water. Right now So some of that. Money is going to help families that have been affected by the flooding in central texas or central texas central kentucky. I can't even talk right now. and buffalo trace also announced that they will be releasing five more bottles that he has signed at a later date. Have you ever done the tour. Bus buffalo trace dan. I've done that. The basic basic tour. Yeah there there's part of buffalo one of the tours that you do that have had the opportunity to go on. they'll take you to Where they have dug out. Basically if you think of Pompeii is at the bourbon palm in that building. There are like lonzo that they've painted years on top To see where the floodwaters have gone and so now the so they're going to say there might be one. There might be another line. And i mean that's to me i mean i would love to go on some a little more detailed tour. Yeah especially with. You know freddie johnson. Maybe one day One day in that building was really cool. they had. That's where h taylor had distilled his his bourbon in really. Yeah and so they actually had bourbon distilling down there some wondering how deep the floodwaters got. How far up the building got to did it. Ruin that that nashville or whatever. You never know So i think that's enough about bottles. What do you say. I think that's enough. I think it's time. We hear a little bit about mr brian over here. He's been kind of quiet so let's move into today's topic The liquor store the good the bad the ugly you know anything and everything so i thought we would start kind of from the beginning so brian your military. Yes yes oh. Are you still in or i mean the reserves. Okay so with that with that in mind with all the career options for you out there wild liquor store well you say corruptions Those i i. I know i know. So there's not military It's a huge jump for most military personnel so a lot of surveyed employers. Don't really what to think of us. So i had a tough time getting into a career field. Once i got military. I couldn't find anything. They liked my wife has always went on your business once. You just go for it. And that's why did i mean saw liquor store for sale and i just went for. It just went for it. I think that kind of ties into the rabbit hole story. Yeah you know once you once you go down the rabbit hole. There's no coming back. There was definitely no coming back from that. Yeah so what was the process like did you. Did you buy a pre existing store or did you have to build your own. What's the process of getting started. Like i bought a pre existing store had all the merchandise had everything. The building everything came with it so easy process obviously had applied for license and so forth. Okay through the state What kind of process that. Because anytime you deal with the state. There haswell kentucky. It's it's pretty easy seriously. They make the process super easy. Okay so is it smooth process for me. Now if you start a business from scratch in kentucky it's totally different guate- red tape a lottery tape. The no-one likes red tape so from from day one. What are some of the major changes and challenges that you had to endure going into this new venture Maybe kind of like how. How did you worry about staffing making a name for yourself in the community. What what kind of process did you go through there. So biggest problem. I had initially was being competitive. I mean small thousand square foot store that I mean there's other stores. Walgreens rite aids in the area. That could beat me on price by four five dollars so that was the biggest hurdle a pricing. And i mean you probably had a few people jumping the bridge and only going across the taxes cheaper so that was the biggest i mean. I work all the time so staffing was never an issue for me so you really had to be the face of that brand for a long time before you started expanding and right definitely gaining that customer base so you did bring a few of your own points that you wanted to go over. So why don't you just dig right into it man The the the buzzword everyone wants to hear from you though allocation the word. If you're playing that drink game at home where you take a drink. Every time you hear the word allocations. Here's your first one way hacia. So you're saying the. I will say they were so allocation. So i've heard everybody say that you know you've got by thirty cases of wheatley vodka all this other stuff kentucky. I mean that's not true. Okay so in kentucky. The way it works is they call saz wreck dollars so saz. Raccoons buffalo trace who owns a variety of brands Fireball wheatley vodka kentucky tavern and the more of those products that you buy you get more dollars towards allocations and Also he that's how you get allocated you know if you're if you're buying a lot of their brands and ultimately they're gonna reward you with more alcaide bottles now with pappy up until this year. That was the only one that they did says dollars on. Strike this year. Blanton's everything weller. They're going to start using a right dollars and the salesman web zero say in what is allocated f thing comes from basically what you spend. I wish i in my opinion is right way. Yes yeah so so back. In the day you used to just be able to order cases of blanton's and all this other stuff and my correct how how did so. I kind of business. Cases of blanton's that's sorta after everything is based off. How much dollars us you spend the more fireball. You sell the more really vodka And in kentucky. It's illegal for them to say. Hey you have to buy this to get this. So that's you know. That's the state protecting the retailer in kentucky and i can't speak on every state but in kentucky that's how it is okay. So it's it's easy yet. It's you know a little more difficult. Would you say to to allegations. Or i mean i was says wreck dollars. Are you saying that that's the money that you use. That's my span on product okay. I'm buying fireball wheatley vodka To fill a warehouse full of fireball. Then you get more size right dollars right. That basically says right dollars equals allocations got. Okay okay got it. So with these allocations. Everyone wants to know. Like what do you feel. As a fair way to distribute them. But what also do you think is kind of an unfair way to distribute those so fair depends on the person. So would aaron. And i'd determinist. Fair is a raffle. The and that's what we do. At the three of our henderson locations we raffled off. You know there's no purchase necessary enter the store We want to be fair for whomever you know to get a chance to win a bottle. was to pay for bottle our mortgage so store what we do is basically the major there Whoever comes there and spends money on bourbon or whatever Is a good loyal customer. Then she basically will sell them about blends or whatever now. What is unfair. My opinion is just to to price very high on bourbon. I mean to just price couch in my opinion is very unfair. So you're not gonna walk into one of your stores and find blanton's at one hundred and fifty dollars now never and the reason for that is because we have a lot of loyal customers and i cannot look a loyal customer the eye and say hey thanks for buying. You know hundred dollars weekend liquor. Here's his plans for her and fifty dollars that would put a very sour taste. You wouldn't be able to sleep at night. Yeah you'd go home and your wife. would you'd be like. hey hon. i just sold a guy. Some some weller special reserved for two hundred dollars. She'd beat you over the head with a cane if you know yes definitely because we've all we've all seen those the museum stores and everything else but so what allocations in your experience though are the easier ones to get like you said buffalo. Traces pretty decently easy now since they went over to the dollars right or at least it makes more sense. It makes more sense to me. I wish i wish everyone would do that. Make more sense to me but what what are we you see more of you seem world forester. More maker's mark more more this that or the other like wild turkey so in our area maker's mark and makers are the two big ones. You know we get quite a bit of out forester up until what lasts here too. We didn't get any yeah. This past year was the first time we've ever got birthday berbie. We got three bottles of it this year or two bottles this year for the first time we raffled one and put one on the shelf and so we i mean. Brian's really really good about if we get one bottle it's we have a a bar at our liquor store muggy really really cool and so If we get one bottle it's going on the bar. There's no we're not raffling off wound bottle unless it's one of those that are five hundred fifty dollars that we know people aren't really gonna spend fifty five and that's another thing about our bar. We we price them literally on probably ninety nine percent of the bottles if you look at retail price or what we have it on the show for you move the decimal place to To the left. That's what our price is going to be about tim so So if you have five hundred fifty dollar bottle. Lear you're going to have to pay fifty five dollars an ounce for that And so if if if it's going to be a bottle like that Horse soldier commander series. Some of those really rare. Ofc would never put on the bar. Because there's no one's gonna pay one hundred dollars round and we don't want to sit there because we like to do with our bars to give put bottles up there that people are asking about. Hey a see this noon on a shelf you can can. I tasted. I taste it and most people want to try bottles that they can actually purchase. And if we want to have. George tags and pappy is up there just for people to try but most people want bottle that they can actually take home that day. So that's what we tried to try worry about kind of like driving a car exactly and then you know you. Have you have your pappy bottles up there. Because even chased by you can still taste them. Yeah so you're you're enough to live in a state that allows you to kind of do your thing when it comes to the stock of your store and how you you price things and everything but what about what what you're kind of knowledge of and what's your opinion on like state controlled states so my opinion is the state should not run the state liquor. I mean the federal government after prohibition states to rights to where they have the economy for each state to control the state liquor. The problem with that in most cases is selection and basically pricing you know. Essentially the government has control over pricing and selection and whenever he gets a free enterprise and you allow competition than you have liquor stores that obviously go be competitive against one another and that's whenever get bear selection and better pricing kind of like the gas wars way back in the day. They went down five cents. We're going down eight exactly and if the government controls at all you know just like the post office. Who's who's complaining about paying fifty five cents or whatever for a stamp. Now nobody because the government controls right. I mean the only benefit i see and this is just me being Almost ignorant to the fact that you know state run. They do exist. They all seem to have weller. Antique also all have fair pricing. Yeah so so. That's that's some of the benefits. Yeah if consumers would stop paying outrageous prices at retailers. Then you know that wouldn't be as much of an issue and you wouldn't have to sell that horsey bottle for one hundred and fifty dollars to two randy over there who's spent thousands of dollars vodka but it's not the retailers fault. Either part of it is. The reason retailers started charging more is because got the middle guys. The people are just flipping bottles. I can buy it from one source for sixty or seventy and then flip it for two hundred right like you say someone won a bottle like your raffle or an and other stores raffle. And it's a fair price. They can turn around. Sell it for five six times. They're dollar. I mean if it's something that's in high demand like you know your your weller foolproof or something like that they're gonna make up to three hundred dollars one hundred percent profit on that. It's so hard because you can't control that. And but in the res the biggest reason why we set that raffle up is because we want people to bother bottling home enjoy it with friends family save it for a special occasion and yes it stings every now and again because you know you look on certain secondary market groups or whatever and you see the bottle that you just sold somebody you know up on there in like i said there's nothing we can do about it but if people would stop paying those prices like brian said then then all of a sudden everything's gonna drop and you're going to have more and more and more in an interest can only because i mean it's just simple supply and demand. You know right then you too will be able to find weller. Antique one ninety nine at the costco and indiana or kentucky. Or you know somewhere Bringing costco so like brian. I know i question all the time on the raffle comments. And sometimes i don't handle myself very well but one of the biggest comments i get is akin by this bottle at xyz big box store for about ten dollars or dollars less than what you're selling it for so can explain that. Yeah so so just to give you guys liver perspective. Four we are. We're henderson kentucky. So we're right across the bridge from evansville indiana so in evansville. They have a much slower hotel tax on liquor. So i tell people is when you're looking at liquor to purchase. Let's say you know you drink maker's mark if you look at maker's mark price on costco total wine sam's club in indiana and then the look at that same pricing kentucky you. You'll see a huge disparity there and that reason is because the wholesale tax so you have to compare apples to apples when it comes to liquor pricing so especially with big box stores. If you're crossing state lines hers. Gooby a huge bertie. Most times whenever you're looking at liquor prices and what that boils down to the state tax. The other thing gets look at is instate. so if you compare my prices to let's say walgreens or rite aid somebody like that rickaby to them. You want comparison total wine They don't make their money off of jim beam. They don't make their my off maker's mark or any of those you know. They make their money off their private labels. So you have to keep that in consideration whenever you're considering what is a fair price for something now. What most of the time happens in the 'burban communities they come out with. What is ms rpm. What they recommend four abbado nationwide. So let's say when Oh tub came out you know. They recommended twenty ninety. Nine was the ms rpm will. That's a united states average based off all the states will kentucky has one of the higher state wholesale liquor taxes so for us. That price is more like twenty one or twenty two ninety nine whereas other states may be at nineteen ninety nine or eighteen nine so when you're looking at liquor pricing just what i always recommend is compare a big box stores like total wine or sam's club across state lines if it's at if you're cross state lines to purchase liquor and it's kind of ironic because there are some brands. You find in indiana and you were mentioning old tub I know a couple stores in evansville and around the surrounding area that have old tub. And you were mentioning. Your price was like maybe twenty one ninety nine twenty two ninety nine. They're selling it for twenty five twenty six ninety nine. yeah and and that's just marking it up. You know the great thing about america is we have free enterprise. You know people talk about liquor stores charging a different prices and what it is with liquor stores is. There's not. it's not like walmart where walmart can go on every say and just have a presence you know luckily for liquor business. They can't do that because every state is totally different Was happened is liquor stores. They price based off what they need to do to be profitable. So if liquor store needs to be profitable and Price at a dollar amount. you know. that's just how it is. Yeah another thing. I was gonna say about with with the pricing. I don't think i've ever walked into costco or walmart and had the owner of conduct walmart. Stand there and talk to me about the bottle on buying. So i love to go into a liquor store and and if i am going to pay five tin even maybe even fifteen dollars in kentucky in kentucky you would never pay that much. My never more. Never never so. If i am gonna pay just a little bit more and be able to look at a guy who has a family who's going home and using this to support his family and his talked to me about the bottle and who is you know. I think a lot of times when i get into that argument with people like why could go by this. Okay go we would love for you to save your money. Go over there by their bodily at smokes or whatever but you know also remember. You're supporting a local. Well the other thing is if i could charge every customer remind fifty five hundred dollars like costco and sam's club does this. I would sell to that price every single day right. I would but you don't have the other stuff to sell exactly exactly so moving on just a little bit. We did have a little bit of a fun Thread on our facebook group where we let the crew themselves have a little bit of. Maybe some things they liked. Maybe seeing things they didn't like We have a few shouts to give and some of their points to kind of put to you and maybe see what What you're doing in your stores to kind of counteract this or maybe it's just a good kudos good job kind of thing so aaron you wanna get a started. Bunny sure so John d. ferreiro. I'm gonna go ahead. These all through all three of his questions. All three of his points kind of go together and so We've kind of talked about him a little bit but we can Rehash it so number one Point systems that are way too high so stores have a point system that you Have spin so many points. But i have to spend maybe eighteen thousand dollars. Eighteen hundred dollars just to buy a bottle of water twelve. That's one of the other chasers Who follow deliveries from store to store just to turn around and sell it on the secondary market which you kind of already talked about and then museum stores kind of again. Already talked about that. Stores that have the name. Big name bottles For the big name price or even willing to put prices on bottle so that way they can kind of list. So what some things that i mean. I know but i'm gonna let you talk. First things a beverage born does to kind of curb that or so point systems. I mean i kind of agree with some important systems. I really do but for our store. I don't agree with it. You know we are across the brakes from indiana newburgh. Evansville which their media income is much higher than henderson kentucky. Which is where my stores are located. Armenian income is like forty thousand dollars is like sixty sixty five thousand so a point system basically would allow people from evansville and newburgh nar true customers coming across the bridge and getting bottles that Just because are spending a lot of money and jacob. You're a true customer. But i but i still never win the raffle. Okay average crosser. He just goes to drink the beer. The raffle allows consumers who may not have as much as others to get a great bottle. at a good price as far as trump chasers. Go that that is not happen our source. They know that they cannot get a bottle off the truck. It's not gonna happen The museum stores. You know. i hate seeing these liquor stores that do that. I really do It's just like buying a car who was overpaid x. Amount of dollars for car. I get a sour taste my mouth. I just don't wanna do business with with car car places that do that and same way with liquor stores and that's why lecturers do not do that. I mean we're going to be fair and honest with alvar pricing. Speaking of liquor. I'm sorry i'm gonna. I'm gonna throw this in i. I cross the bridge. I said it. I'm a bridge her. Crossover to henderson. I cross over. Because i know i've cross. Let's see counting. Let's see one two three four five six. I press good lord. I passed probably ten to a dozen liquor stores just away the henderson because i know aaron works there and some nights he works and he's fun to talk to and even some of your regular employees. I know some fun talked to shop around there. And you're like hey you guys later o. I usually show up around six seventy eight o'clock night time a family owned but i showed up the other day four and you were there until about five and i was talking with you and you're talking everybody but i pass up those liquor stores because one you guys have a bar so i can sit and drink and talk and to the employees. They're always they're always plied. They'll ask you if you're looking for something as just fantastic place it really is. And that's what we try to provide. We try to provide a you know knowledgeable staff and then people that know what they're talking about and we swear by feel comfortable and come set the bar and have a good time and that's do exactly and speaking of the staff at your stores Rob cherry put out a really good point. There are some stores out. There who staff is just appalling. I mean. I've walked into some stores where you know judy do. Nothing is just you know back there filing her nails just behind the counter. Maybe pushing a few buttons maybe pulling a few bottles down putting him back making. It look like they're doing something but when you go up and you ask them those questions. Like hey. I'm looking for a new bourbon. Or i'm looking for a craft beer. Is there something you would recommend. And they just stare at you blankly untrained staff who possess no of the products they sell or they have no clue what is on their shelves. I mean what do you expect of your employees while they're still expect from being knowledgeable. Obviously but knowledge comes with time. I mean just like all of us here in this business. I zero knowledge bourbon. And i've been in this business over nine years now So knowledge comes with time so just when you go into liquor store and you have somebody that's knowledgeable. Be respectful. i mean It is a small business at the end of the day. If you go to a small store and bfe they may not have the means to train somebody effectively so just be cautious of what you say and just remember that day It is a small business and it does take a lot of time just time that we've spent talking about bourbon learning about bourbon and we read about bourbon all time. All of us can say that we are constantly educate ourselves about bourbon None of us like that. I try to employ people that have some knowledge. Bourbon craft beer liquor in general But if you're asking employees to know everything about every liquor right that that's hard to find. I'm sorry dan. I mean like you were talking about people who are unexperienced. I mean that's you have to lay a foundation. I right people. People need to understand that you know. I even work in fast food. And i can't expect a new employees to come in and know exactly what's on a particular sandwich or you know what our procedures our at our store or be able to explain to a customer. Hey this is how we do something you have to lay a foundation and you have to be not really mean about how you do it because you want your employees to come back but you have to one find the ones that are willing to learn and to just support them any way you can and either way it takes time. Yeah especially liquor business. Because i think the difference between bourbon and vodka and craft beers and different types craft beers types of winds so. It's a huge huge learning gap. You stick me in a wine section. And i'm just gonna look at you like this is it. This isn't welches what i really liked to about. our store because we have the bar Brian makes everybody train at the bar. And so that allows me to kind of. I don't say impart knowledge but we teach them and what i really like is. We've hired three or four new people at our store and they say man. You know so much like a- and i said i just read about it and when you have an employee that comes in and says has read about bourbon starts asking you questions or you know for me fuzzy feeling you could tell. Hey this person really wants to know and a lot of times our employees. They'll text me though talks. Brian league We have we have customer in the store right now. Who wants to know this. What can i tell them. I got one day like what about. What do you know about kentucky. Are we gonna be able to visit whatever and so when you when you get those type of text messages. These employees at our store were just blessed. I guess because like all of our employees i think take ownership even though we're not owners like we look at that as our store so when you have a staff like that like it really does go a long way well. The thing is technology these days. So i tell. My employees is never lied to customer. Don't tell them that you've had it. You know if you never had it. Don't tell us good if you don't drink it. Just be honest with them. And then google is your your savior as your savior. It really is google it and the thing is like we have consumers are super knowledgeable. Consumer today is more knowledgeable than ever in the history of google because of google and because of the urban communities fear the white community. Yup so there's a lot of people come in knowing more about me than bourbon craft beer and if they do. I'm okay with that i just say okay. I didn't know that. And if they say something. The common thing in kentucky is people come in and saying. It's not bourbon unless it's made in kentucky and you know alive is educating the consumer because there's lot false information out there and people say here false information they're gonna continue to give that false information. I've been playing i. I can't say how many tours of distilleries and breweries where i've learned where i've heard that tour guides give false information and it's super frustrating whenever i hear it 'cause i'm not gonna call him out in front of other people. You don't wanna be rude right. You don't to be rude. But i pull them off to the side and tell me what you said is false and nine times out of ten. They're gonna be respectful and heed the advice and look into it so right so mean up until about two weeks ago. I didn't know what qualified anything about it was like. I don't know what that means but it tastes good but it tastes good. So who's next on our list of shoutouts. I got a brian. Martin brian martin. He's a store owners that keep themselves and instead you know they give up the chance to sell it to a customer. You know treat their customers right. And i know you don't do that but i know there's a store around i do keep some. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah and aaron. I give him his fair share. Just because you know he's just an asset to the business and allow my employees to get some Just because obviously my employees are everything you know if i don't have my employees obviously the businesses. Nothing because i can't run by myself. So i had to keep my employees happy somehow and my ploys aren't flipping them. I assure that you know they're either drinking under give them as gifts to family members So there is that goes on with our business. I can't speak to other store owners if they give all their allocations away or most of the time what happens is store owners. Say they're capable them but they're actually flip them on the secondary market. So i know. That's a huge now especially in the say kentucky got who most of their booze is coming from a liquor stores who sell to justin. Justin sells them for more than secretary prior fr. i. I won't tell the stories. But i know several yes. I think so Lady by the name of jordan murphy Basically what she said was key. It kind of goes on on the lines of like profiling Walking through a store knowing. You're getting weird looks for employees and being questioned because you look thirteen. What what what's up with that well for me. Why tell my plays if they look thirteen. You card him before they even get to walk down. I'll you know you cut it out right there. Because if they're over twenty one then we're going to let them in and look freely Nowadays especially if you had turned twenty one you want to just look you just want to look at everything you know. Bourbon consumers There's times where i'm in the story. You know working the cash register and there's a bourbon customer in their seriously for twenty five thirty minutes. That's like me yeah. I'm thirty one years old. I still just go and look at the isles. I read things while. I turned twenty one and quit drinking until i was about twenty six but the consumers just more educated. They're reading labels walking around perusing to see what's available And then ultimately we always have to worry about that. I mean how do he know. Somebody's go from you really don't you. I mean zeus become really helpful with that. Mattie has i mean we put people on blast and you know show shop lifters online. But you never know who's goes still from you so we always have to be cognizant of that Retail is a super small profit margin. So we have to ensure that were catching shoplifters and make sure they're not still as blonde so just a funny thing before we move on. I actually got carded about three months ago. Right as i walked in the door of a liquor store and it was the weirdest experience. Because i mean i. I'm a big dude. And you know. Got the full beard and everything. I look old. I have grays in my beard hair. And the lady. I think she might have been new just why she did it and i get it. I wasn't unreasonable. I showed her my id and she just kind of waved me on like a bull running through the streets but You know she was just doing her job. And something i'd throw in there is if you do get carded in a store as soon as you walk in or if you're perusing the isles and employee comes up and says hey. Can i see your. I d. Don't find them. They're just doing their job. They're trying to earn a paycheck. You know and just show him your id and just get about your day being you know on the other side. I as an employee who has many many people. is it's more. Cya than it is anything else we you know. I don't want to ever for it to come back on me. That i'm selling To an underage person. So last episode i totally botched miss dodson's last name. So claire dodson. I said it right twice dodson for the third time anyway. you've already kind of talked about this brian. But markups very drastically between stores So for me. I mean it's always small businesses that very drastically. You never see a big retailer. That varies drastically. You know other than between states so what that boils down to is. Competition is getting more difficult in every state. It doesn't matter what anybody says. There's more competition come in amazon's trying into business walmart starting in business so if small business does not start pricing. According then they're gonna be pushed business. I mean We have four stores. Now we're looking to grow so if there's markets where we feel that there's a liquor stores are pricing drastically over us. Then we're looking to go in those markets to to undercut them. Obviously that's what competitions all about but competition is the only way that that changes that if there's no competition the market there's no way correct it so that's the only way that's change so the last one. Jake you wanna wanna get shout okay. We had a steve martin and he wanted to know about you. Know generally unfriendly and route staff. Who they who are knowledgeable. They've been there a long time. They should know a thing or two because they've seen a thing or two refused discuss balls with your even talk about the elephant house in may or may not have you know what's in the back. Well some people may not know. What's in the bag. You know what. I'm saying. So like aaron air keeps control of all all of our allocate model so somebody asked me what we have in. The back is earthly may not know like aaron controls that like i he's the keystone you trust them with. I entrust them with that. You know so feel important. It's like putting the title and a lot a lot of these. Allocate buzzer unlocking key. And the reason is because we don't want somebody to sell them to just anybody you know most liquor stores don't just want something by if they're charging a fair price now if you have sky high prices then of course you know the they're not gonna lock key there could be. I got the present on the shelf for six hundred dollars. Yeah that eighteen year marriage for five thousand dollars. Would you care to purchase that today. Maybe took a second mortgage out on your home. Yeah exactly oh man. I saw one the other day. I don't remember what was said. Price to sell one hundred nine was the wild turkey forgiven while turkey. Forgiving while it was priced to sell two hundred and forty nine dollars so with that point i do know a store in in bougainville who does keep a lot of their allocations under lock and key separate room. Either that or in there in the manager's office because like you said they don't want just regular employees to sell those bottles granted they do have some inflated prices But i mean they're not out of this world outrageous but it just goes to show that not every liquor store has these procedures. I mean you have the fair price stores. Like brian's and then you have the the museums that we've all seen and then you have those other stores with all the How do i say this. The tobacco products behind the behind shores. And they have the bottles on the shelf and a lot of them. Don't have a price tag. Yes but you know your staff is your staff and your stock is your stock and they can pick customers. Can't do anything about that so brian. Do you have anything you'd like to kind of wrap up this little conversation with now. I appreciate you guys have me and just support logo and just remember. You always got compare apples apples when it comes to state lines and Just compare you know your your big box. Stores from state lines stateline. So brian with that. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us on this episode of the broken cork Especially brian for taking time. Out of your day away from your store and away from your family to be with us. If you enjoy the content we put out. Please consider joining us. One of our social media platforms. We're on facebook at the broken court crew. Were on twitter at the underscore broken underscore quirk and please visit our website at the broken cork dot net. Also consider if you really like the content. We're putting out. Please consider donating to us right now. We have a van mo up at the br at broke uncork soon to have a patriot. Probably by the end of the month if not sooner so all. Those proceeds are going to go directly to purchasing new equipment for the studio and help us to buy bottles and help us get out on the road going to distilleries and taking these tours and learning more so we can present more to you and with that guys until next week. We'll be talking turkey next time. I think if if you're a member of the facebook group Just a little little hint for everyone. But until then. I'm dan aaron. I'm jay. I'm brian reminding you to keep your bar stocked your glasses full and your mind on the pulse of america's national spirit.
257 - The Best 10 Year Age Stated Bourbon, Knob Creek Picks, and Fathers Day Ideas on Bourbon Community Roundtable #45
"I would like find these really rare bottles, and they're like okay, but can you get us more pappy? But, this is like literally the very first Blanton's in the nineteen fifties. Yeah, that's cool, but. PAPPY! Heavy one episode, two hundred and fifty seven of Bourbon pursuit I'm one of your host Kenny and I don't know about you, but I'm ready for this cova stuff to be over, but it's a reality that we all still need to work together. Create safe environment for everyone, and that means that there still some urban related Cova News talk about the Kentucky Distillers Association announced that last Friday on June six. It's mortar. Directors unanimously decided to cancel this year's Kentucky. Bourbon Hall of fame induction. Ceremony now the Kentucky Bourbon Hall of fame recognizes individuals and organizations that have made a significant and transformational impact on Bourbon stature. Stature growth in awareness it's the highest honor that can be given in the signature industry, and is presented annually every year during the Kentucky Bourbon Festival in Bardstown, and but however this year the board felt that travel restrictions social distancing limitations on attendance and general inserting about the future conditions that it would diminish the steamed fall event. However, the Kentucky Bourbon Festival is not being canceled is only being postponed one month and this four day festival, which typically takes place September is now being planned to take place on October. Fifteenth through the eighteenth and the tickets to attend will be available to purchase at a later date. Now if you've been listening, even paying attention to Bourbon distilleries, producing hand sanitizer, and around seventy five percent of all craft distillers, nation been doing it as well but. What's the long term effects? Are, we gonNA. See shortage of Bourbon in the future because of this well according to ROB, report DOT COM cards already issued a statement on the matter seeing that these temporary and emergency actions at all okay Sion's will not disrupt the supply of the brains and the picardy portfolio in the short answer is that there's plenty spirits around there in barrels are aging and warehouses, not only interested in the nation, but across the world there's even some even more in holding tanks that are waiting to be bottled, so the major brands such as. As those owned by Diaz Gio Bhimsen Tori Bacardi Heaven Hill Brown Forman, and those likely will not be affected and according to discus chief economist David Osco, who you might recall back from the podcast episode two hundred six. He said that supplies should be more than adequate. Many whiskies have production lead times going into years because of necessary aging in the same products that are sold the liquor stores are also sold the bars and restaurants and bars and restaurants, being closed or operating at limited capacity, though stocks can be dedicated to retail outlets. Down the barrel selection side of things for roses has announced changes to their single barrel program tbn line with the Center for Disease Control and government restrictions. For the PODCAST, we've done around ten four roses barrel selections with the Patriot community, and it's always been a pleasure to go see Mandy Vance and the entire for roses team there now to set a visual and kind of set the stage for you when we go, it's usually around ten people total. They're seven to eight barrels. All lined up with different recipes. You get there. You file in line. You grab your Kapiti glass and you'd get some Bourbon thieves directly from the barrel. Then you go back to your spot in the tasting room. There's a bullet chips and some light conversation. It's an intimate setting, so there's an easy way to kind of just have that sort. Sort of that environment now ever here's the changes. The experience is now being limited to only four guest total. In guess we'll be required to have a temperature check upon arrival with the security guard and anyone that's been a barrel selection like vicinity. They know exactly what I'm talking about. When you start rolling up to those gates, masks will also be required in the selection room and mask will only be able to be removed when you're tasting, guests will also be asked to sanitize their hands upon entering this election room, and instead of filling your Kapiti glasses readily from the barrel, there will now be disposable flight boards with tasting classes. Better Pre refilled prior to your arrival. And there's not even a tour afterwards, either. This isn't the most awesome experience that we're accustomed to, but it's a reality for the time being. We're going to be waiting to see how other distilleries are going to be shifting their barrel selection programs here shortly as well. Now onto some Bourbon released news, the name Hirsch you may know that from those iconic Ah, hirsch bottles, and the title of Chuck Calories Book The Best Bourbon that you'll never taste. It now has a new label coming from holding a company, a San Francisco import of spirits and is called Hirsch the horizon. It's not the same iconic whiskey once previously bottled, but the brand is being resurrected once. This inaugural batch combines two straight bourbons distilled from N. G. P.. Ninety four percent of the blend is still from a traditional mash bill, seventy five percent corn, twenty percent Rye, four percent multi barley, and that's been age for five years and four months, and the remaining only six percent is still from high right mash with been six years in two months. It's also being bottled at ninety two proof with an sap around forty dollars. It will only be available in eight states and select online retailers. Now for today's roundtable, it's a Potpourri of Bourbon questions. We talk about our favorite tenure. H dated Bourbons that are readily available on the shelves today, then we look into the high age. KNOB creek releases including those twelve fifteen years that you've been seeing recently and what this could mean for the private barrel selection losing those higher h barrels. Then we talk about some father's Day gift ideas that we would like to have ourselves. Lastly we take a moment to take a look back in time and we ask ourselves. What would we have done differently if we got into Bourbon earlier? Now for today's show, it was dedicated to raising funds for the in Aa. CPI, legal defense and Educational Fund Burma. Pursuit has pledged thousand dollars to help bring awareness and equality. Joe From Barrel Bourbon wants you to know that it's never been easier to get barrel craft spirits award, winning cash shrink products shipped to your doorstep visit Barrel Bourbon. That's barrel with two wells, dot com, and click the buy now button. If. You're interested in hearing more about women whiskey. All the master distillers that we've interviewed or listen to all the past roundtables go visit our website, Bourbon, pursuit dot com, and you can view all the podcasts by category. Now with that enjoyed today's episode and here's Fred Mimic. What above the char? I'm Fred Mimic and this is above the char. From CNN headline, second mysterious repeating radio bursts from space keeps scientists guessing Oh boy. Here's the first paragraph for the second time. Astronomers detected a consistent pattern in a fast radio bursts from somewhere in deep space. The first such pattern was discovered in a different F R B back in February. Oh, bully, boy Oh boy, twenty twenty year! That keeps on giving and. And now we have aliens coming at least I think I mean. Why else would we have deep space radio patterns coming into earth? So the question is what do we give those aliens? Do we give the UM military? Do we offer them a sign of peace? I'm thinking and we should take them to a distillery in crack. Open a few barrels and. Let's see if we can you know have a little piece talk, and maybe a treaty over some Bourbon Jim beam out of the warehouse Intercut, maybe or let's take him down to buffalo trace and steal a couple of those blanton barrels or a Weller Hey maybe the lettuce taste, twenty two twenty three year old pappy I don't know. or or we could go up to Iowa and let them taste something a little different at Cedar Ridge. Some of those barrels are tasted mighty fine or go over to Woodinville in Washington to taste one of those I. Maybe these aliens. They don't WanNa Taste Kentucky Bourbon. Maybe they want, or they don't WanNa taste permanent all maybe we need to go over to Cognac in crack open. One of those really old echoes Os in, or maybe they wanted to Keila or a mess cal a rum I don't know if they do wanNA rum i. do highly recommend that we give him some foursquare that rum's amazing, so the question is now that we have presumptive aliens. Coming to Earth, let's Let's start thinking about what we should serve them. I'm really thinking it should be. Bourbon straight out of the barrel I. Do you know you know there's a little bit of a military advantage there to? Maybe they're not friendly and that high proof you know might kick him back a little bit, and then there's also the friendly advantage like oh man. Maybe maybe they really like it and They decide that they don't need to take over our planet after all, but I do think we need a contingency right now from all distillers about what barrel they would give to an alien think about that for a minute. that a joke? I Dunno, maybe it's not a joke. And that's this week's above the char. Pay If you have an idea for above the jar or you know you know what's coming up next. In Two thousand twenty hit me up on twitter at Fred. Mimic again at Frederick until next week, jeers. Welcome everybody to the forty fifth edition of the Bourbon Community Roundtable this is one of the highlights of our podcast where we get to talk around a bunch of Bourbon News Bourbon Potpourri, and other happenings, and we're joined by a lot of people that we have as part of the round table here that come from different aspects of blogging and Bourbon media, but we have two members of the three people of the pursuit co host team so myself as well as Fred Mimic for how you doing tonight. I'm good Kenny. How are you brother? I'm okay I'm glad I'm glad we have a drink in our hands now, so it's been a long. It's been a long long day. Has Been so I'm going to start off a question with you, and it's a question that I'm going to put to everybody as they start introducing themselves, I think it's a fun way that maybe we can start breaking up and learn more about personalities when we start doing these next podcasts and I'll just start asking like a random question, but this one's Kinda more on topic. So how would you describe your Bourbon Hobby? For you, it's more career, but what would. She explained to her friends what you do. That I. Don't have enough Bourbon. And, then you know shit all in all of her group She's like taking pictures and. In, sipping in sipping the in or whatever? I bring home and I think she she really. I mean she's about to kick right now, so I've been busted into the old Tequila but. she's she's. She thinks her needs to be more Bourbon in the house, because I keep too much on the office as the real story. I've never gotten that comment from my wife. Blake, you actually have a an office that you also have your storage and stuff like that, too, don't you? I do a do that. That was the goal was for her to get it all out of the house. And then she's like you have these three shelves at the House and you know things things happen. You get more bottles than you expect and. On Am I introducing myself now my going into my. Segue you might as well just roll, but yeah yes. Once again. Thanks for having me from Bergner and seal box in my mind, wife would probably describe it as just ridiculous You know I mean. It's. It's a little bit of that OCD coming out. You gotTa have every new bottle you've gotTA. Get sample bottles, and then you know I would take a bunch of the office, and then you know people come over to drink, and you don't WanNa disappoint them if they come over to your house and they've senior instagram post. You don't want them to show up in their. Be Like just a a bottle of Jim Beam White Label and Jack Daniels or something, so you've gotTA. Have have spread in. You like to a to a tasting. If people come over and I never know what taste is going to be, so you got to have options Placings. Tasting it. Doesn't always agree with that. We need as many bottles as we have. But you know it's a fun thing to to have fun with and enjoy and have around the house. Awesome awesome so nick you're up next buddy. Sure so Can say my wife. Probably is not watching this and probably won't watch this, but. See what she definitely say about the the Bourbon. Hobby, it's. Become a lot more than a hobby at this point is, it's It takes a of my time. You know it's kind of the way to strive to people sometimes is. You've got all those things in life. It's like you fill a jar with with marble, so to speak in that you know were in the kids in. You know everything you're doing on a day-to-day basis in an urban kinda like it's the water that you pour into the jar and. Fills up of the jar, so that certainly where where that's gotten you know where that's got me. It's become ingrained in you. Know in the family and that kind of thing I mean I'll be honest. My my nine year old. You know when I put together when we put together these urban quizzes, he beats the average of. The population does in terms of You know that, so he's picking up on stuff. But in a in a you know in a respectful kind way of respect for what it is, and that you know, not you know for drinking and that kind of thing, but January this introduction do so for those of you that don't know me. I, am Nick from Breaking Bourbon one of three Co founders of breaking Bourbon finance online, breaking Bourbon Dot com, and all the socials at break in Bourbon. So, it sounds like with the whole marble analogy. You should just have a t shirt that says like Bourbon you complete me. Brian. Actually so I do. That yeah. All right thanks again for me, Brian with sipping corn can also find me at Bourbon Justice Dot Com and the socials all at SIP and corn. And my whole family I think kinda rolled. There is a little bit at at first, and now I've got him to. Where my daughter who's going to be a sophomore in college is going to be in her business. Class is going to be looking to site Bourbon justice when they get to when they get their business. Will they're doing business law class in the fall swimming everything starts up I'd son was doing a law merit badge, and he got into it a little bit, and what really turned my wife was we were at a Katie A. Event and we were at at is a maker's mark. Bennett crawfish boil thing that they did and I was it was very early on in in in blogging and I. was there texting pictures as they were taking us home on the on the bus, and these two guys in front of us, said sin cords here somewhere, sipping corn just tweeted anyone is. Does anyone know who sipping coroner's? Patted me on my knee and she leaned up to them. He's with me. With with a little bit of notoriety I. Guess It's helped. Everyone and book helped. Legitimize it, so it's it's definitely evolved for me. I will say that that helped ahead. One account to was actually in Epcot. Center and we were just hanging out in the the country's area. Midday and somebody recognized me and came up and you know my kids were like ten or you famous. How do they know? was like no, no, he's not. Don't tell him that that. It always kinda blows my mind a little bit when somebody does either recognize me in public or sees the burn pursuit, t shirt. They say something and my wife. Just yeah, she'll do. 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So tonight we're going to talk about a few different topics here, and it's going to be kind of all over the place, but one actually came from our Patriot community I was kind of just asking like what's a. what's a fun topic that we've never talked about before? And there is one that was mentioned and I said you know this is actually pretty interesting because I think that we've all touched. A lot easier had a lot of these bourbons, but It's so specific that. You. Don't really think about it too much, and so I'm going to kind of throw it out to you all and let's see if we choose one. Or if you can choose to whatever it is, but what you feel is the best. Tenure age-dated Bourbon that is currently on the market. And if you can not allocated. Giving our answers from twenty, sixteen or regifter intercept. Twenty I, mean you know it's? It's For me, it's it's hard to say because you know you. Throw things out like ego rare Even ten years didn't used to be as hard as it is defined today. I think as far as like limited release goes that somewhat able to you're able to find. Is mixers tenure? Every time people I go sourced, and then all the sudden. You throw in some blind tastings in. It's like wow, this strain. And then as far as like everyday things have Russell's take. In what's the rebel? Yell Year but I. Don't think they've done another release of that recently Orono yes. If you're ever and all the base. I Don. I so that nobody else has any good. Know some growing Russell's reserve ten year. 'cause it's available, it's fairly priced. Stimulus old is delicious. Now I'll jump into I. Think the best in the worst ten year I've had is Henry. McKenna I mean had come get. With the categories of single barrel, I mean I've had. Some is it was the first time I'd ever gotten in it was it was just a hot mess and then I've had some that has just been absolutely just fantastic. Better I wouldn't think. So you're to me your a little bit of a crapshoot on that, but it's still somewhat available. Despite what Fred said about a couple years ago. so I think and still find. Screw a lot of people out of that, didn't he? I mean from. Stone it's going to be saved the slayer of Henry. Kit Availability of. My favorite quotes have gotten a liquor store. One time was. Winning at grabbed ball of Henry mckinney goes. You know that guy from the Internet like talks great about and all of a sudden. You can't find it on Mike. The funny thing is I. Know who that guy from the Internet is. He's by Internet. Internet friends. Are you still getting hate mail over one hundred McKenna nowadays or is it still come? It's softened up quite a bit especially. You know because this is what I always try to tell people. Yes, it was my house Berman. Absolutely true I. think that's where I screwed myself. That I publicly stated before that competition that it was my house Bourbon. And, and then at one, and was like well, see and You know I'm one judge didn't want again and I was like. I got blamed again and again I'm just like one judge. but then I had it in some of my blind tastings that I do on Youtube and got this shit kicked out of it as well as our as well as our bottled in Bonn tasting, but then people who just really WanNa hate me. Just say well. He knew anyway, and he just was just saying that Mike Okay. Haters GonNa hate but I still like McKenna. I gotTa jump in there, and I gotTA agree with us. Agree with Brian to and and and Youtube Fred. you know the the parkers heritage promise a hope which is more or less McKenna. You know it's it's a little lower improve, but you know same age. The honey barrels that was probably the Bourbon that the only bourbon that I've ever headed Amelie taste and so this is just an incredible bourbon. I WANNA buy as much of it. It fine as much visit can in iconic gotten it from Henry McKenna barrels over time and so kind of changed that, but then you find there. Is that rain just being single barrel that you're not always getting that consistency that that you want from and You know so not to not to keep harping a Harry McKenna, but actually I will say that Eagle rare a tenure I personally I don't tend to love Eagle River's. When I when I tend to have them against other things, it's just it's just not you know not my favorite Bourbon everything about it screams. You know that it should be good. It should be up there, but you know against Russell's reserve ten year I like the United. Light Rossiter Better whatever it is about Eagle. Rare is just now doesn't fit my. My taste profile typically siphoned that that's one that I think people chase a little bit too heavily, and the reality of it is, is it you know these other ten years that are easier. Find just as good they. There's different you know you're gonNA be like one or not like another one. I think it's just gonNA. Come down to personal preference. Nikki. Think it's a an issue about proof. I mean at at ninety proof Benigo. Bertie may maybe why it doesn't do it for you anymore. Not, necessarily you know I, just in fact when I reviewed Russell's reserve ten year, not long ago I, head against a couple of Byles, a eager that had and I was surprised I. Just you know something about the flavor profile. Sometimes Woodford reserve years me a flavor profile that just throws me off a little bit. I personally get that with Eagle Rare sometimes at a little bit by the barrel but I. Guess It's one that I guess is maybe more over hype than I feel like it should be, and the reality is I just. I feel like I like. Like the other tenures the tend to find better rebel Yell Tan was another great example. Fans hasn't ten-year-old, which about more of that? When it was just sitting around for that brief time that it was but you know definitely definitely some choices out there in I think Russell's tenure for those who can't find McKenna. That's all over the place. At all Russell's reserve tenure at eight thirty five bucks I mean you can't go wrong with that. It's fantastic option you know you know who would own this conversation if they would just kind of get off their you know. batching to taste kind of like mantra is makers mark. Barrels at our like age twelve years old, holy crap are amazing. They just don't put them out. As what the say, usually I thought. Most of the baker's standard offerings around like six to eight year mark is usually around there. It's getting younger but I mean I would say I'd say it's more like four to six, but they do. They used to keep those barrels around, so they could do. Their aged say it's over aged. And I'll never forget. We had bill samuels at the Derby Museum for for a session, and he was like tell everybody that maker's mark was bottled perfectly, and so he put out a bunch of twelve year old maker's mark. And people were like buyer backfire. Gutter and I was like who likes maker's mark more and they all raised their hand so. I remember that Fred I. Remember you talking about that, too. I've seen that happened on the tasting where they're like you know this is white dog maker's mark. This is overage maker arguing over in Mike this fantastic. Why are we not drinking this? I mean that the whiskey coming out of that distillery if we had the opportunity to like crack into some of those barrels. I love the state program. They do I think it's really cool, but I'm like. Give me give me one of those over oak barrels that you have. I'll take that. For something and that program. We're all we're all in RBIS. Preaching that six to eight year range in rotating barrels. It's hard to come back in. Say Like oh by the way we were wrong. But it's got to be such a small number though you know to have initial program around it I mean it's here and there you know they come across them randomly. It's not like they're sitting on three hundred barrels. They're ready to say. These are good on their own or different fund their own right. while. Rick Housing. Just figure it out though. Brian I would be march and right over there. L. Mara feral. So that ego rare I kinda WANNA. Go back to that one a little bit because we know that eagle rare seventeen has actually changed in the past few years and gone to one hundred one proof and kind of going back to its original proofing, which was one hundred and one. Do you think that would be a game changer? For a lot of people like Nick, who may be written it off a little bit to say? Let's let's go ahead and up at one hundred one back its original proofing state here. It's funny. You say that because now that you said it's. That's a good point. I gotTa tell you. I personally have some older lower proof ego rare. Seventeen years that I like better than the newer stuff Yeah, I mean you already have the proof in. Oh, hi, proof stuff with antique election I think it was we were in in in Pittsburgh. number of years ago, and we did a flight of beat JC, and they were from all different years and I guess. The bartender was his collection that he had brought in and basically sold to the bar, but So this guy pours two ounce fours of each of them. I stars, which we didn't realize eighteen dollars a poor. That's what it was gonna be, but whatever the year of Eagle Rare was and was an older one. It was just outstanding, and and that night that one you know stood above the whole rest the antique collection that we had and that again Kinda like chasing that that taste of what Eagle. Eagle, Kinda can be a haven't gotten that with a higher preuss stuff I mean I think probably by and large higher proof is GonNa be better than the lower proof, probably a little bit easier just to amp up to flavor. You know there, but I think when you get that magic, sometimes magic can happen at a lower proof to that's what I think Eagle. Rare is known for at least how I've Kinda. Remembered. Yeah I. Mean think about like you know. Weller seems to be the the brand that they're. Going after now, but think about if they came out with a ten year one. Oh, one proof, SQUAT BOTTLE EGO RARE! That would just hysteria. would be yet. You know and It seems like they're getting to a point where they have a a good stock of Eagle Rare so. Why wouldn't you do it? You know let's see. They're increasing it by eleven proof, so they're losing about. What's that ten percent oh? Yeah, they they could easily charge. Seventy five bucks for that bottle in it. Fly off the shelves so. I mean I would probably try for seventy five bucks. It'd be a buyer. To See, if ensure lives up to it, I mean for sure. They're pretty good about keeping close to arpey so to to more out there. That were actually on this list that from Distiller, dot, com, one that didn't get mentioned was bullet tenure, so those only one time release right you know and it was decent. Wasn't this was an time release I thought boy ten years like a standard thing. I haven't seen bullet ten years while I thought just released in the had a bunch of it, and that was it well. That's happened in Jacksonville here and Kentucky. Persson on hordes of it. Yeah, I mean you still see bullet tenure on the shelf? Allow the right now. Look for a while. I have a bottle in my basement. I should probably just go get it for. Sake, but in maybe I'm just mistaken because I'd just assume that they released it. Talked about it, and it's done, but maybe it is not going. I just is not Australia. I don't know how many bottles they have or any. bullets not a brand. I keep a close eye on but I do see it regularly. By the way they're blenders select is really good I mean I'd be. That's. Ebony, major she's. She's talented. She's a talented rising star for sure great blender. So we mentioned rebel yell. That was another one which I remember the first batch of rebel yell and I thought it was a little smokey for my tastes. recalled not caring for too much, but at each their own. There's another one that came on the list. And it was something that had been released relatively recently. Which is Basil Hayden's tenure Bourbon as well. However never dried through fund that I'm trying to remember the proof, find that. So so I'm drinking the hidden. I didn't like the Basil Hitting Your Bourbon. I'm drinking. The Basil Hayden Tenure ride tonight. eighty proof. In. It's actually really good You know I think. The Art of the lower proof whiskey. That is still you know you can. You can drink it. You taste a lot I think that's kind of missing. I wouldn't pin. This is like spicy. Ri-. I mean the the nose is pure beam in it's. Pretty? You know that that charred charge taste, but it's good so. Over like a seventy nine dollars bottle Assad this weekend. Forecast is something like that I think he's probably about what you would see it for Bryant. Little all over the place because I think with each statement is a little bit rare signal. See it for sometimes. I think a lot more net. Everybody's telling Basil Hayden. Diet Bourbon Diet. I liked that one. Basil. Hayden is like the icky woods of of of Bourbon because like gives you like a great. A great couple minutes you know like ICKIES, career, great couple years and then. It just doesn't last like you get started with Basil Hayden. Bourbon, but after that you get into other stuff, you're like me. Urban lands has a good comment here. It's his breakfast. Bourbon. And the last time I had Azel. Hayden's was my brother in law's. Bachelor Party where we went on distillery tours, so started at when the bus picked us up at nine, and that's what I broke open at nine. Got You gotta start with eighty proof at nine am, and it was perfect news fantastic. Let's be honest. We've all been having a little bit of breakfast Bourbon lately to. Guilty as charged. Yeah! Brian, you brought up a good point about like when you get ready to go like a whole day of disability or something like that I was I had fortunate to be able to do that with somebody else where we were going to maker's Mark Anybody knows that you go to a maker's mark private selection. It's an all day affair and. The great thing about makers mark. It's one of the very few ones in the industry where they will pick you up in a shuttle from wherever you're at whether in Lexington or Louisville, and then drive you always Loretto. Do your thing and drive you back. On that drive. We bus. It opens some nineteen seventies dusty and. Eighty six proof. That's a perfect way to start the day when it's just like butterscotch. Older low proof, bourbons two are just packed with flavor a lot of times. That is so true. That is true. National Distiller brands from You know the seventies oh so. Eighty six proof answer A. Holiday do it, but they get a lot of flavor in there. It's all about those special warehouses you know the proof would go down on those warehouses and. It. Was Magic in there, and then they beam bottom and. Didn't use them. Their loss. All right, so let's go ahead while we're still on the the beam. Idea here so one thing that we had talked about in the last round table was the age statements coming back to Knob Creek now. Kind of it's gray weeks later. As this roundtables recording, we've now seen the fifteen year knob creek finally start making its way out to market, and it's being priced somewhere around one hundred dollars, hundred, fifteen, hundred and twenty-five. It is now this kind of begs the question All is not creek. Fourteen year picks that we started seeing for like forty five dollars like six or eight months ago, and is this the complete downfall that will ever see these again in the private barrel selection program. Yeah I mean you know it's a classic case of. We can't have anything nice in the in the Bourbon. Destroy! Destroy, everything yeah I mean you know ever gets popular. They marked the price up and you know all these We've all had. The articles revolved Dunham. We've all read them. It's like Oh, tin bourbons. You should know about that. Are that are bargains or whatever it is and next thing you know price goes up so I. Think we'll see a lot less of that, but I'm still convinced that being just sitting on a ton of barrels in product in so I think you'll start to see him. Trickle out more as well You know I assume they'll reward good accounts in everything with. Hey, we got you a fifteen year. Barrel picks. We'll probably still see that here and there, but overall. You know they realize while there's a market for this. Let's roll out the fifteen which I'm a fan of because it makes it more. You know you don't have to just find that one store that has two hundred bottles of her own fifty bottles of it. You just need to go to any store that is A. Decent beam account, and they'll have the knob Greek fifteen year, and that's still a pretty good price when you look at the overall market. What what is it? It's eighty or ninety bucks is the head hit? Flirty at that I've seen. I've seen some over one hundred. Hundred fifteen year! Right I mean that's that's the going. Price senior. By do I do have a little bit of hope for you all out there who think that this is going to go the way of the Dodo Bird. There's something about knob. That just doesn't move with the with the normal populous. You know it's kind of like a I don't know what it is, but I mean knob creek the regular Knob crew won best Bourbon at San Francisco. Twenty. Fifteen had no effect on Harley in it at all, like the didn't move the needle in. That brand it just. It just. It doesn't move. Don't know if it's the bottle I. Don't know if it's the name I don't know it is. It is a those picks were cherished bourbon. Geek favorites and I don't think they're gonNA go away I. Really doubt because. Beam is a is a quarterly kind of company. And this is their. This is their their moment of the quarter in two quarters from now you know, they may reduce the price and. Put a new age statement on Booker's who the hell knows, but they I i. don't I don't see the forty five dollars store pigs going away. I think we'll still see store picks in that good good age range. And to that point Friday I mean. Let's not forget about KNOB. Creek. Two, thousand, one I was just looking at up to remember actually I. Still Think I can pick up two thousand one of my area at your light and Sr. Frankly and that was what three four years ago now that was a fourteen year old What three batches one hundred thirty dollars MS RPM HE I wanna say there was there was I. I thought. I heard that. There might have been a fourth or fifth batch. The kind of no one really talked about, but anyways older knob creek lower proof, though is that when they did it at one hundred proof and I just I, don't I don't think they hit with that one because you compared it to the single barrel at one hundred twenty and you're single barrel off the shelf for forty bucks was better. Than again now and I'm actually 'cause. I knew we were talking about this. Getting SIP in the KNOB creek twelve year and I say this is absolutely fantastic. This is one hundred proof as well, and they get the blending right with this one. It's a fantastic bourbon at a at. A really fair price It's reasonably accessible. You know is the fifteen year just going to be that much more expensive. Are they gonNA get the blend right? You Know I. Don't think they really quite got it right with two thousand and one you know so. They're kind of competing with themselves in a way when you put out a incredibly good. Good single barrel at a really low price in, and that's the thing you have to fight against You know it's. It's Kinda tough to do a limited release. It's not really doesn't come across that. You know that that special so to speak, so it's A. It's an interesting under met. They're in and that's I. Think we talked about previous roundtable of. was put out all these really high age single barrels away to just get people excited like give it to take it away and then insert this other stuff or are they just kinda throwing stuff everywhere because they got a decent amount of supply in stock in. Still making money anyway so. Yeah they've got practically lifts stock, but my concern would not saw the fifteen. Is that the private selections? All these thirteen fourteen are gonNA. Go Way up. You know you're not gonNA. Find him at forty five dollars anymore. Win Barrel. Selecting start backup, so yeah, see angers cross for it. But that was that was my concern. Nick correct me if I'm wrong, so that being knob creek leaving the twelve and the fifteen year hundred proof, whereas the private selections Standard Up Creek, aren't they like one hundred and twenty prove something like twenty. Yeah so that was A. that's an interesting move by them I mean. Is it Do you really think it's? It's proof down to a a really good point because I always thought like the knob creek brand was was more about getting that that corner of like. A barrel proof kind of expression at a pretty low price. I Dunno I would almost say. A hundred proof is probably more ripe. Peg that Brandon frankly I think the majority are GonNa go for the hundred proof. You know I'm not sure this is necessarily geared toward the Bourbon Geek per se I think a lot of people are going to have one hundred twenty proof that don't you know? Don't drink bourbon as often and they're not gonNA like it know I've I've given you know given some of the higher proof Barrow proves to. To people I thought ready and they. You know they're grabbing handfuls of ice and stuff like that. I'm like you know they don't like it. You know they. They are liking the ninety proof they're like in the hundred. Proof is a good range for my I think there's more mass appeal in this proof and I think that's what not Greeks going for I. Don't know that they're trying to talk to. Necessarily all the whisky gates with this writing's. They're trying to talk to everybody. And I think John Anderson also mentioned the chat that it's It's probably one of the worst waxes to ever try to get your hands through because it does, it takes you like a solid minute and a half to get that bottle open. I don't know what they're doing with their wax over there. They've they've got to go back to the drawing board on that one. Maker says the recipe. They ought to share a little bit of that. Way share their same parent company at that time, saying they they. They know who to talk to. And, you'd be wax talked makers. I mean when when I was in Portugal like studying like closures on on bottles. You know you learn to like what everyone tries to do in that little that little bit A. Spot is like the. It such a there's so many meetings and discussions that go into it in the. Seemingly like the. The, the best, the best like closure for the money what I learned. Terms of its efficacy, as well as look is the seventeen ninety to one It's got that easy easy one to pull off. The plastic is on their real nicely. And the court, just kind of you know smooths on out, whereas like those synthetic corks kind of well up inside their own, a harder pull out, sometimes which knob creek is a synthetic cork. You're not a big fan of synthetic corks Fred. Now I. Don't like synthetic. I've. I've I I'm sensitive to plastics. I can taste plastics and stuff. It's like putting water leaving water in a bottle overnight, and maybe this is because I. I had so much canteen water. When I was in Iraq in the just tasted awful and a dislike anytime, I taste like that. That you know classic note me just turns me off and I have tasted it before in in the Bourbons, but it's not. Prominent. But you may not micro-plastics. You know they're saying it leaches out in water bottles. WHO's to say? It's not going to reach out to synthetic cork over years, but I guess it's just a more reason to drink bourbon earlier. Exactly Yeah for drinking absolutely. Before, we move onto the next thing. I want to just do another reminder of everybody that we are doing a fundraiser tonight for the NC. Double, A. OR SORRY NC double w. c. p., legal defense and Educational Fund and so if you can go to N. double ACP. L. D. F. Dot. 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Every two months go to Rack House whiskey club dot, com to check it out and try some to bar for yourself. Use Code Pursuit for twenty five dollars off your first box. What's a good gift for the Bourbon? Lover That isn't going to be just so. I guess obvious, so anybody have any ideas of substance you throw out other than like a seal box gift card I mean. She'll gift cards, probably number one, but. I was GONNA. Say is a day alone. also, that's probably. Save. That me. To break is. My, favorite quote was always a on mother's Day. A mother's want to spend time with with their children. Their their husbands spouse, whatever in Dad's just like one a day off in not have to change a diaper. now I mean I think you know a good bottles. Always good a good option I Dunno I throw some ideas out because this is always getting. I'm saying even if it's a bottle like throw some ideas out because these are the things that we always get whether it's like hey, I gotta get my boss bottle. Get whatever bottle and I'm like Oh God like and then I just sit there and I'll go, and I'll look at my shelves and scan for supplements, available or all dislike. pull up a website and I. Hear go go get this. That's the hard part is finding. What's available in in the area? Going there instagram what they've liked in. Maybe that's a bad I'm going there. But you know a store pick like we just talked about the KNOB Greg. Stohr picks. That's those are great bottles. The twelve year the fifteen year you know I think something like that's really nice so. I don't know I'm kind of new bar. Where right now so get them get them something cool like that for the strain or Shaker I think those things can be a lot of fun to play around with as well. What. What's your favorite Pizza Bar way right now? The name of four Rosuljas recently sent out for a lot of people's made the big long spoon, which is a movers and shakers. Check them out, give. Them a little bit of promotion somebody said Bourbon plus subscription that'd be great, but movers and shakers. They have a bunch of cool bar where so they're strangers actually I've never used a stranger. Always use like the just trying to block it with my hand method in realized like a stranger comes in really handy so screaming for it. It's funny. They make these tools for a reason, so you know I feel like a real professional shaking it and. Constrain it out with a cool stranger so. Yeah and this is also like I. said this another great time for gifts that are you know usually like a one time things or you know even like a subscription Bourbon pluses good, but shout out to Chris Walters on here. The nosing kit I mean that's something that I know that he's a small business owner and he builds these nosing kits. See Him all the time through various forms, and he actually hands makes every single one of them so shout him for for doing all that because they're. does a knockout job with it, and you can pull out the honey vanilla. All that SORTA stuff, really start training your nose to be more like Fred Mimic. It is true and. I think those nosing. Kids are huge especially. If you're just get into a new I used to tell people okay, go to your pantry. pull out the vanilla cinnamon up. You know, but that makes it so much easier so. Yeah definitely one of those Oh. Don't breathe. Don't inhale too much on cinnamon. Too Deep Yeah exactly personal experience. Actually done the hand experience. Yes, thanks to admit Kusak I gotta say Bourbon Justice. That'd be great gift for anyone that doesn't have it, but but really what I'm thinking I i. Love the The nosing. Kit Idea. Bar Wear once you have it. It's kind of like the rocks you end up getting too much of it, so it's Kinda risky. You gotTA. Know what what the whoever you're shopping for already has, but if you want a bottle for presentation in this kind of can goes to your point, you got people asking. What do I get from my boss. What I get for those sorts of things if you want the presentation. This week I'm going to wilderness trail maybe tomorrow, maybe the next day, if got their six-year release and when they do their special releases, its in this box has to two glasses with A. Kind of presentation that that's. Don't alleged crimes, but don't you know just go get a bottle of Leisure Creek. Go for something with a box. If. You're going to do a bottle of Bourbon for a gift. It's gotta come the sweet box. God have the sweet box. Or Hell still you can still find that while Turkey diamond for me. That's a box go. See You. At you know I think you WanNa, avoid stuff that is going to be preferential the house somebody wants to drink. You know like the stones in the different things like that somebody may not want or use it all in order things that somebody may have already then it becomes useless I mean I. think unless you know the person You're really pretty safe with a bottle I can't say that anybody's ever really been like. Oh, no another another bottle of Bourbon you know you. It's you know always going to enjoy it at some point in trying to make it the you know somewhat special on. That's where the special packaging or Single barrel picks definitely not GonNa, have or something like that comes in handy. I think books is a good option to I. Mean I think. You know you unless unless you know, they already have it. You know you. You can toss in a book with a bottle. You know worst case they have at our. We'll at fifteen bucks for the book you know. Let him give it to another bourbon. Frantic on a rope them into into the little bit. You know probably thank thank you for it. In that regard, you know so. You can't go wrong there we. I gotta say when like the the aging sticks came out. Those were those were like everybody was getting those. You know the aging Stacey would put in the Bible. You know as a type of things you get three four five packs of own from people that think that's what you want. You know type of thing so you. You want to avoid that kind of stuff. That was really not very specific to somebody's interest. Grew. Up outside of the obvious you know BOURBONS I. I'm really into like leather books like leather bound books for like writing writing notes. And what have you and I have several of these and Adam throughout my career If you're someone who likes holding and you like Kinda, you know riding. Actually physically writing, your notes can help you develop your palate more There's more of a just a natural a human. Connection when you're physically writing something versus typing, and like if you're really looking the nosing kiss, are a great great suggestion if you're looking to add something to the. To The nosing kit I would suggest a really nice leather book that you can do your tasting notes in this in this right. Here is one of my babies. And you know there's been a lot of people that have mentioned books and stuff like that. You know all throughout one. That might be kinda random, and that's like a whole bourbon barrel. So if you've got somebody, that's Digress others. Yeah, that's. Not. Empty. Okay empty burn barrel because an empty burberry. If somebody has you know a little bit free time knows the just a little bit amount of woodworking. They can find themselves a project that will keep them busy for the next three to four months and guess what worst case scenario it just goes to shit. It did become smoking chips so. In your grill. The perfect it really is. That's a great idea. Can actually that's what that was a previous father's Day gift. From my wife to me, and now it's over here, but now it is the backdrop. It's actually two barrels ended up by an inevitable, and it is the backdrop to the bar area here and it was definitely a project, but A little trick to a two after they've had a couple of uses so like the wineries that are GonNa Age declining on after they ben Bourbon barrels the they lose a lot of their value, so I mean I think we're you were. The one I bought was basically shipping plus a little bit more. It was pretty inexpensive because it didn't have any more use as something that age anything so just to hand look like California look in other states outside of Kentucky might find some good deals out there especially, if yeah, the other part like especially if you're a data out there, that's a homebrew you give them a barrel. Ages thing of beer man will come visit again in three to six months and see how see how it tastes so. I'll tell you what the ideas of Bourbon barrels I could. I could just keep going to hold podcast on that. Hey we're looking for ideas. Keep them coming in. You WanNa. Just pay shipping. I think we have like four or five empty barrels of from seal box pigs so just. Let me. Know you'll save us. On storage space. I people to buy one hundred. Ray At this point in the show. Her? Leaning into. Exactly, so there goes talent fees so. So if you want a barrel, pay shipping from seal box, and or if you live in the DC area to give them a little ring. Maybe he's got. Comes comes with every hundred are seal box gift card purchase. So how it works. All right, so we're coming up on the last piece here the our again I wanna just take a one more reminder. Just let anybody in AA. ACP, legal defense and Educational Fund is what we're raising funds for tonight, so please go put your donations in the chat. We'll be matching up to a thousand dollars in this and we're getting ready to close it out, but I want to kind of close out. This on kind of A. More serious a little, maybe a little jokingly if you want. But everybody here talking tonight, you know we all got into this. Bourbon Hobby at different times, and we've learned a lot along the way as well so other than the obvious of saint like going back and buying up every rare bourbon. That's you see on the shelves if you could go back to the beginning. Would you do something differently? Getting into this Bourbon Hobby. I'll start. Sooner. That's IT I. Mean I think almost no matter how you do. It is not really a wrong way to do it Certainly this hobby for me started with so the other two that do break in Bourbon. Eric, I knew since we were. Kids Second Grade grew up on the same street as Jordan. Eric went to the same elementary school, and we all kind of went our separate ways. Jordan lived in Kentucky. For a while when he was you know after school and that's what Kinda got us interested in it in. You know we Kinda kept going back to Bourbon thing, and that got us talk and more than that's how the site ended up starting, but you know at the end of the day you know headed up in for Bourbon, wouldn't be here talking with you guys. Have this. You know this hobby this interest in this thing that you know definitely. Keeps going. You know sometimes when you know when when you got the you know just a lot going on, and you know your dad I got businesses that run I mean all these different things you know. It's like it's nice. It's a release. It's you know it's great talking with people meeting people going to Kentucky and meeting people so I'd say just do it sooner in in dive. Right into it. I mean that's it. Those are good points I would admit the old timers soak it in Fred. Did a interview of Ed Foot probably what four years ago five years ago maybe the Derby series Two thousand fourteen so. Six years ago Jeez. and. You meet him and he doesn't even realize he's alleged. And all the things that he has all the knowledge he has I wish I would've started soaking up earlier and and I know you know there's just so many people could have met if I would have started earlier and I'm thankful for the people who I have met I. Mean folks like Jim Rutledge have taught me more about bourbon than ever would have hoped to know, but there are so many more people out there, and that's what I would started doing earlier's is meeting the old timers, and just can it in. Blake Fred remembered that anything. Yeah, Yeah I. You know I. Think obviously the the. The one would be what we purchase, but that that's kind of a small part of it, and if you look at the community aspect that's that's probably the more important thing of this whole thing is. Just the people you've met. The the amount of knowledge of talking with different people and really just diving in diving in there. You know I think Obviously, we can't really meet together physically now, but going to more meet UPS for. Different things like even in Kentucky here locally whether it's local group or like a big event or you know whiskey lives something like that, so I think those would be the things I probably would have attended You know instead of just being like online silo because. Whenever. I got into Bourbon there. There wasn't a local community for it. So online was my only option, but I. do kind of wish. I would've gone to more Vince, but yeah I mean I think it's never too late to get involved with these things and I think the community stronger than ever. So there's there's way more options and you meet. Great People And so yeah, that's that's probably mine just. With events in that kind of thing. I'll say like having a kind of stepped in. Late. Two thousand, five six you know. Every one of you all have made a an impact on me. Personally in you all have been an incredible. Attribute and you know. You all have each changed Bourbon. In your own way and I'll never forget you know reading You. Know seeing you know Blake's like poor man's pappy and just sitting him Kinda you know tackle. Tackle everything you know Kenny. The first time you all interviewed me, asked me what the Hell Marzipan was Nick Y'all just thorough excellent reviews. and. You Know Brian How many bourbons we've had over some things but just. It's been such a joy for me to see it because I was. I was the new. You know I was the new guy coming in and there was. Maybe five to ten whiskey writers. In the world who are trying to do it full time when I was coming in, there was not a lot. And they were mostly Scotch. Rain and so I looked up to like you know Chowdhry. In a historic in also Mike Beach. In on I looked up to those guys, and I tried to follow in their footsteps with summer like the historical stuff while also trying to train my palate in do do tastings. but There's inevitably some regrets and things you should done differently and things you'd have done more. I wish I'd spent more time with Parker beam and Parker with someone I actually did spend a good deal amount of time with to include his time when he was suffering from Al Ask, but. He was just someone. I really clicked within I. I miss him and I. also never had the chance to spend any time with elmer elmer, T lee. but you know so I think those would be the two things that I would. I would take back our could, but I'll say I'm more encouraged by the talent. Coming into this world I know that there is There's there's IT. Everybody can go out there and do their tasting notes, but. I see a lot of talent here. In makes me very excited about the future of our Bourbon community. A new under be some heartstrings and be pulled on this one. I. Kind of a round out here, you know I am thankful that we've I've at least been able to get in this early. Enough that we've been able to interview. People like Jimmy Russell and be able to capture some of the stories that you know. A lot of these old timers are around, and you might not be there much longer Hopefully we have more years to capture more stories, but you know it's just one of those things that I wish we'd have gotten a little bit sooner to be able to. You know again. Capture some more stories of the people that have. Gone ahead of us, and for me personally I I wish I would have found a Sherpa of Bourbon a lot sooner I I think I was drinking the same exact bourbon for like six years straight and between like Kentucky Tavern. Barton, and Foro small batch like I didn't really vary out of those three for like six to eight years, and there is like this whole window of stuff that like I completely missed, and it's because I just didn't have anybody to kind of a I was the only one who was really into Bourbon, but I didn't really have a network of people or anything like that and I always find it interesting when we're able to go on, you know the Bourbon or former any of the facebook groups and people were all I K- I just started getting into bourbon like three months ago. House my collection and it's like two hundred bottles I'm just like holy smokes. How do people just like latch onto something and go like so far in that they find like all the facebook groups in just like go go deep so I I wish I would have been able to do that along time ago, but again glad that I'm here now and be able to be a part of this with all you, too. All right, so let's go ahead and get if you you know sad tissues out of the way here whole tears in will kind of close this out because you know like I said. This is a fantastic show. We kind of you know really light on kind of a lot of news and things you know really. It's been a lot of stuff as Cova. Cova starting to kind of release and everything like that so I think we're GONNA. See a lot of things. Start happening with the Kentucky. Bourbon trail starting to reopen and stuff like that, so we're hopefully going to see a lot of things that are going to change your in the next few weeks in regards of Bourbon so looking forward to to seeing that. One last shoutout that as you as you. Kinda know that tonight. We were raising funds for the in AA CPI. Legal Defense and Educational Fund. Please go to in AA CPI. LSF DOT ORG and put in your donation, and we will match everything up to you. Know Skirt when I'M GONNA match British donate a thousand dollars so easy. Enough ahead call that Don. But. Let's go ahead and all I'll pass it over to blake in. Let you close it out for us here or start the start the closing process man. You're putting all the pressure. Off The road coaster I'm GONNA. Give you the I. Always get to be on, you know. We're talking about at the beginning of the show notes. It's a tough time to come on and talk about Bourbon with everything's going on. You know you want support these communities and these organizations and some we could do a little bit of that because I mean in all honesty, we we can't relate so we want to do our best part to support them in a you know. Bring more diversity into Bourbon so Thank you all for watching Blake from Bergener, seal box, and Yeah, that's CAL ripken Streak stays alive, so thanks for having me. As always nick. Sharia thanks guys always. Pleasure to be on channel with everybody in in watching a lot of great comments throughout the whole show here. So appreciate as well, but I am nick. Three is behind breaking Bourbon Breaking Bourbon Dot Com in all the socials at break. In Bourbon so again, thanks guys. To break in without an without a g just like. Took after. Out The. Car I never spelled either is not be R. A. K.. I enjoy not stopping. Bourbon, we're we're. We're breaking it, so thank breaking bad breaking Bourbon. We actually have a plan that with one of the t shirts. It's my favourite Yup. Yeah get a lot of comments on that one when I. When I wear, people definitely relate to break. Nick when you guys first came out because I come from the news background, I thought you were like try like be like breaking news and then when I saw your t shirt has. Oh! It's a breaking bad. A, it wasn't even that like that was just coincidental, honestly we were trying to come up with, so we have this Chaco, and so I think it started when when smartphones became a thing, and it's a hangouts chat, and we get the Bourbon. Bros., we call the I. It was going to be the Bourbon Brodeur. GonNa do some website name with the Bourbon, Bros. so. There are wives. No, don't do that. And my wife started raining aloft ideas, and then she was like how about breaking Bourbon so in shield to this day she will definitely reminder. Credit the name you know what I say. The name as a big deal. You know what I never. We've never regretted. The name we've definitely are glad that came up and actually came up pretty quickly. It was like the third idea she had when she heard what we were thinking, said no, no, no, no, you're not doing that. So thank goodness that saying something that you'd never regretted your name. Because I regret Berber all the time and. How did you come up with that? The random Tuesday in two thousand twelve and I don't. Look at it. Now, you got copycats. Dollars. Bride all right? Thanks again for having me guys that always enjoy it. Brian was sipping corn. You can find me on the socials. All sipping corn and SIP Corn Dot Com and justice, dot, com, and appreciate everything that you guys are leading the charge on tonight or being part of and glad to be part of it. Absolutely makes you follow Bourbon pursued on all the social handles as well plus tiktok in you to everybody from our Patriot community that's been a supporter and his watching this as well on on chat, always good to have everybody here that actually helps grow our podcast and make it better and keep it sustainable, so thank you again for for doing that and Fred I will let you go ahead and close it out, man. well, you know everybody, appreciate you coming on. you know this is This is this is a difficult time right now for our country and it's. It's important that we we do not forget that the entire intent of bourbon is for us all. Raise a glass. Already glass when I got to add a little bit to my glass. That's what I'm doing, too. Low here. It's. Too It's a raise, a glass and toast in appreciate one. 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Barrel Picks, Birthdays, and Bourbons Under 40
"This episode of the broken cork is brought to you by beverage bar serving the tristate with four convenient locations. Come in and let our knowledgeable staff help you find that perfect bottle to make you the talk of party or to create a special moment with family and friends cheers. I hope you're ready to party because the broken court turns ten today everybody. I'm dan aaron. I'm jake and tonight for our toast today. We are recording on a logic. Craig the date that logic passed away may may nineteenth two thousand or may nineteenth eighteen eight man. He was old he was so much in our in. Honor of mr illogic craig. The reason why most bourbon is put into a charred barrel we would like to toast to his remembrance and we are all drinking alleged. Craig on this to- so alleged greg yours to you cheers. You're right with that ri- man it hits arise so good now. I'm so glad it was brought into indiana. I thought i was going to have to drive like hundreds of miles to find it. I got the right of first time. Delicious so i have to say we've been out of the studio for a long long time too long. I kind of forgot what it looked like. Yeah where did you do some modeling. I did remodeling. We got a bourbon barrel from a certain spot and kentucky. I put the bar and a different spot but speaking of that certain spot one of the reasons that we have been gone is. we've been doing barrel. Picks for a beverage barn. And you wanna you wanna talk to us about where we went. Yeah so we went to georgetown kentucky. We had the opportunity To be a part of a barrel team going to j. mattingly Let me just say this. If you have never gone to j mattingly. I got ruined on barrel picks do it because even even if like if you showed up with you and your wife you shut up with you and your voice are you showed up with union girls if you're if you're listening they're gonna let you blend bottle by yourself one bottle and then for those of us who are liquor store owners or or liquor store workers and we want sale bottles we we of course by by more so what we did was we walk in to jay mattingly. It was a great day. We got noon eastern time. And so. And i think we well they could tell you when we left some of us who can remember anyway so we walked in. Evidently there was a fall. Or something in a and a hat william. What's we'll talk about that in a minute but anyway so we walk into j. mattingly and the owner jeff meets us and He first thing he makes us feel like family. He gives us all nicknames. And dan became a little pumpkin and so from now on. Dan will be referred to as little pumpkin. It's just how it works. Aaron got called shit stick. We're not talking about this store. We're going to tell we're gonna tell people how you got that. But the very first thing he said as soon as we walk through the door he's like y'all some big sons of bitches. That's exactly i'm not messing with you. Y'all hey y'all bitches said we saw he walks in and he says well. What are you doing here. And we said we're here to pick a barrel. Then then he told us he said. We also big sons of bitches. I guess y'all could come on pick any one but anyway so we get in there and and he says man who says we want this to be a fun experience like we want this to be something that you you don't ever forget but so i do remember the first part of the trip so anyway he we have all of these barrels to choose from and they're color coded tape autumn. Some of them are ninety. Five five ron. Most of their stuff came from. Mgp they have their own barrels mixed in as well and if they give you a there's a sticker on each barrel that that kind tells where the stories from when it was dumped the age of the barrel all kinds of era it was they have leaders they have whiskies. They have rise. They have blended barrels. And they don't even tell you this story i'm barrels have staves in them. Yeah like a lot of cool stuff there. And i think when he was talking i think there were over three hundred and some barrels to to pick from and samples from some of them were marked off though with blue tape and that was like they were in the middle of blending something or they were using that barrel for something and jeff. Mattingly's probably not listening to this anyway. But i kind of put a whiskey thief in a couple of them and they were pretty dang. Good stuff but we'll talk to you. Do you remember doing that or you. Just think you did no i. I definitely remember that he did i. I watched him and jeff. We're sorry if you are listening You can you can find his house at though not put that is but anyway so we ended up picking three. We did fifty bottles. Each of three different blends and jake and i had the opportunity to blend a wieder I think man i. It's it's a all their stuff Unfiltered and barrel cut and we picked a a wieder that was eighty percent from one barrel that we found a a really good body. It just needed something needed a front and it needed a bat. And so then we found the front right off the bat and we put eighty percent of the the body with twenty percent of the the front and the back in made a really really cool wieder at one hundred. Nineteen proof And because of our raffle we called it refuse. And so you to name the bottle you get to pick. What caller what you get to pick. What shape the battle comes in all the hold on your kind of label. The only thing you don't really get to pick from if you do a wieder. They have two different color labels that you can choose from. That's the only thing they really limit you on. And the reason why is because if if you're if you're out looking j. mattingly if you see a pink label it's a weeded. Bourbon are as a weed. It's a leader If you see a pink label And and you're you're shopping at j you look behind the shell for or on the on the shelf for behind the counter. Whatever if it's pink sweden And so the the black label is normally a mixed bourbon Andhra the blue label is a Ryan only and so is the white label So you just from the wax color. Also ask your local liquor store. They should be able to tell tell you later. Stole legal illegal talk. I was looking at the j. mattingly that dan has But the liquor store be able to tell you what what color wax and they started something. Cool this year to started a blending. Your waxes like you can get striped waxes. You can do drizzles. You can even lacks the bottom of your bottle if you want. Yes it's so it's pretty dope. They're doing some cool things that jay manually. And if you're looking forward look for bourbon thirty on google maps or whatever you're using because jay mattingly definitely an experience that you wanna take somebody with who likes bourbon and that you're that you're close with and go with no no nothing to do after. Don't go there rush. Aaron so go there with nothing to do factors like dinner. You were asleep. I was know you were asleep. A couple of hours and trying to lean against a wall at a restaurant. Yeah we're not talking about all that now so we'll get there what we did so. We picked our leader And then danny and jake had a chance to pick a bottle. That was a raw. Don't don't discount robbery. Oh rob was in that to you. You don't remember had rob. We all kind of went on last. The first he picked the body of the ri- yes. Yeah and then we all went for the which all kind of went with that one. I think we were cove shot so the just just because of you know the life and times were in but the last one was actually really unique. We wanted to have something that reflected the owner beverage barn brian we wanted something to pay tribute to not only him but if you know anything about him he's Army reserves to my correct yes We wanted Have something pay tribute to not only the troops america that kind of thing so we all got together and made a really cool blonde. He had the final say on that one. I mean we call him. Checkbook for a reason guarantor checkbook. We we love you buddy. But that bottle. We called operation american spirit. Yeah that was his choice right. No i came out as you okay. He he was like we were. I was oddly enough. It was urinal tollway. Yeah i was i was. I was a girdle. Legit your talk at the restaurant that we went to afterwards. He's like man. I really wish we could find a name and we were both in the bathroom. I was like what about operation american spirit. He's like yes could have been a part of that conversation. But i think i was sitting outside share getting getting sloppy kissed and flipped off by jeff videos. But that's the only place i've ever gone to where they tell you. Do not wash your hands bathroom. So if i will say this though if you're scared of cova da and all this other stuff A lot of people will tell you steer clear of jay mattingly because you know coves rampant. They are bla-bla-bla. Let me tell you they are the kindest people if you don't feel comfortable around people without masks. They will put their masks on for you. Yes they will make sure that they are accommodating you with everything as far as a health safety perspective does but if you wanna freaking sandwich you'd better get it from the damn bridge because ain't getting your themselves gonna make sandwich for you. We had a few beers there too. Yeah i mean. Everything's in the fridge. You just help yourself. But what were you going to go on. I was thinking. I was just going to say so. We did fifty bottles of each j. mattingly great place great bourbon. If you have a chance to find their stuff some people kind of their own. I don't know if i want to pay one hundred and twenty five dollars because that's what it runs. And the reason why runs so hot is because it is specially blended and it's very very small batch They don't do anything more than two hundred and fifty bottles of anything. I think that was what he said. I think that's what he said. I know i have one. That's up in the two hundred 's up there but anyway it's definitely less than five hundred bottles. I don't think we covered why you didn't wash your hands coming out of the bathroom your hands because what happens. They don't want you while you're tasting your bourbon or you're right. They don't want you to smell the soap and so they literally open a bottle of bourbon thirty and they poor bourbon on your hands in a may or may not have. Just grab that bottle. And said i don't know who left an open bottle hearing took a big pour out of it but that's okay because as soon as you got done i think i grabbed it from your hands and took a swig. Also i did too so we we just passed around the handlers and stuff that they make their. So you gotta try it to the coolest thing though when he was welcoming us to the distillery introducing what a distillery and introducing us to everyone. He specifically said that he hates distilling. I was gonna get ready get. He does a mandatory gallon of distillate every year just to retain his distiller's license but other than that. All of the barrels that are in their shop are all sourced. And you don't know where from ninety percent interesting is mvp but all all the stories in kentucky he said were were there at some point in time. So you've had the jim beam. You've had the wild turkey. You've had the buffalo trace. Had you know old forester somewhere if you long the line on the barrel while you're there there's a sticker if you can't find the sticker look really really hard you can find it But i think almost all of the stuff that we tried was was definitely from m. g. p. Oh yeah it was almost had some of their stuff there too in some of the barrels but there was one barrel that just said you know property of j. mattingly and then if you wondering what the proof is they have a piece of tape on the side of the barrel towards the top and it tells you the proof. So i you know like i like the rainbow the more you know exactly like the barrel i have at my house says one forty six point six on it. So that's a frigging hot barrel. And that was the coolest crap though and brian was like. Hey could i have a couple of barrels. I want to display this at the at the shop. he's like. Oh we got any barrels. While these are promised to another store we got more upfront or up. The street we got about six. We could load in the back of your truck and here. We are driving back to indiana and kentucky the next day with six bourbon barrels in the back of six berber. Five duffle bags i think. Bunch of duffle bags and in the back. Just just chilling. I'm telling you it was an experience like no other. It was the second time. I've been ajay mattingly. The second time he doesn't remember so but anyway with all that being said if not ever been a mattingly take the time the cubs. Did you try one of your. When you're glenn's did you drink from one. I'm no i haven't yet. i'm talking about j matt. sorry. I i saw still rings in georgetown. Actually the the only but it's okay but anyway go see jeff in the crew at j. mattingly. Tell them the broken cork since you. Maybe you'll get to sign the wall. Who knows him. So what was it two or three weeks later. We had another trip. Yes we went to level for somebody who weeks. Oh two weeks two weeks. We went to low for dance birthday. So everybody if you're listening to this when you listen to this. Give dan a big birthday. Shout on the broken court grew on facebook about face book. I can't talk. I said that already. He's been drinking. Didn't know i am batting this cold and i'm about to sure everywhere right but So it's global dan. We went to liquor. My wife went with us. mother with With the boys on. Saturday we my. I took my wife out friday night for mother's day We don't get a lot of time away from the kids and so When i took her out she really enjoyed that. We went to this freaking crazy. Brazilian steakhouse i know. This is talk about bourbon. But i'd never been to a brazilian steakhouse a neither had my wife and when we left she said we'll be coming back to a brazilian steakhouse wherever it is whenever and so great place. If you ever have a chance go there. She poses podcast. But we're talking about. We're we're debriefing from a trip. We're letting them know why we haven't been around a while. And while we were there we went to the liquor store that was featured on the movie. Knee on was so cool was in a movie or documentary. It's the documentary humidity where they film so normally a film with a camera. I call it a movie anyway. Sorry so we go to What was the. what's it called. dan. I put i put me on the spot and probably google. You could probably google probably by the time we figured out. But it was the one where jack i can't win in and she was able to try the taylor seasoned wood and she got that weird. Hey so we stood right there in this in spot where that was filmed. It was really cool. I know if you're a bourbon. Junkie like me. Like dan It's one of those nostalgic things and my wife. she's not so she was like are we even. Why are we even here. And i said listen. There's some cool wind. go look at it. And she said okay so she went looked at the wine and beer from all over the place. They had bourbon from all over. The place Great little spot. If you're if you're in downtown louisville Go check it out really. That was just outside the new district. I think just outside. I- goodness gracious what this is becoming increasingly difficult to find. Yeah just watch the documentary knee. Miss the scene as you all know. I'm a big fan of jackie's icons. I respect what she does with the industry Being a i. I realized that being a female and that kind of position in a largely male dominated field. Whatever when you put him in the same. I'm trying to give back. I can props over here and you're trying to tell him that's blanton's you really just wanted to set that up. I really did a sound. I was paying attention. But anyway i mean in a male dominated field like that to hold that kind of a position where you have. That kind of title is is really amazing. And so far. She's really to from what i hear. Very very good berman. I would love to get my hands on a one seventeen listening and you have a sample that you would like to send. Dan just receives birthday. Remember yeah we reach out to us on at the broken corkscrew on facebook. And we would. I would gladly do some horse. Trading and say horsey by the horthy bado. We're going to lose listeners. Over this amami to start personally bought a horsey problems don't you don't you no. But anyway we had an absolutely wonderful time. In louisville we got got a little little little toasty at the hotel had some really good biscuits and gravy. The next morning at biscuit belly got to go to a lot of the distilleries on with zero I did get to pick up a bottle of the evan williams square six Which will be reviewed at a later date on the broken cork either here on the podcast or on the facebook group. We got to talk to a lot of the reps there because we were wearing the broken podcasts shirts. And they're like oh hey you guys You're a fan of the podcast. No we do the podcast and they were so much more willing to talk to us about it. Peerless was scared shitless. Yeah peerless thought we were funny. They thought we were there on the wrong or they thought they had wrote down the wrong date and just happen to show up shirts the lady who came and she's like oh my god tell me i did not write down the wrong day. He's not here right now. Do i need to call it. A witch june nineteenth. Be looking out for that episode. We're going to peerless. It's going to be a great day two days after my birthday that day for be a great birthday for you right and then i mean later the next month i mean we're going back to where it all started for us. I know we're going back to rabbit hole the very first distillery jake and i ever visited. I'm so happy about that. Actually mc l. last night with that all the nostalgia. Let's get so some bottles that's coming out soon. Well this is more to style for people that have been doing this for a while longer than we have but we do have a lot of really cool bottles coming out Later in may. I know we're in the later stages may So a lot of these already probably hit the market. But june is going to be a hitter. Aaron won't you tell them about a couple of them. So i all of you who like proof bourbon. You can't wait for the bat sixteen from stag junior. That will release in june Depending on the states that you're around normally indiana will get it before kentucky so we will if you are around the border or anything like that. Doty indiana check but again. It's in the month of june You can't miss it batch. Sixteen i can't yes i can miss it. I never see it. You don't ever see but you can buy on the secondary which we're not gonna get into. Yeah you get off your yourself off your soapbox way jake. I think you have one forest. To what else is come. I do have one big one. A big big one. Big one seat why. Pb what's what see. Why pb maybe that weller cyp be. What label color with the That would be the white label to jog. Jake thank you. I don't see why stanford for after perfect bourbon. I love you. He has done some research. That man i know the newbies learning shit a mean jay. I'm sorry. I know. I'm wearing a hawaiian shirt anyway. Let's just stick with buffalo trace. Were right now taylor warehouse. C will be hitting the market in june. I know a lot of people aren't necessarily super happy about this one. There's apparently i don't know all the all the stats on it. I know it's bottled in bond. But everyone's like oh there's nothing special. How the surviving. It's not door just left slightly ajar. This tornado surviving. I've heard about. I have no idea what the deal is. Do some research. Because i don't know the full story. I just know that there were certain bottle or certain barrels that were still intact after the roof of the warehouse was ripped off by a tornado. And they bottled those barrels and called it taylor. Warehousees tornado surviving. That is exactly right then. Hey history points. So what else you got for us. So my favorite bourbon probably behind weller. Sorry william larue weller. Sorry so he whispered blatant and as we smack somebody but My favorite bourbon. Right behind william louis. Weller is wonderful proof And it comes out in june and if we have any around the store it's going home with me so anyway what do you got. We got that. George dickel bottled in bond. Thirteen year. coming out boys. I'm glad he's words. Georgia's what georgia's pickle georgia's pickle guy. No i'm i'm curious about that. Because i have one that company they source their bourbon from tennessee. They didn't say where it was from what had happened to be that center and smoke. It would happen to be that sentence. Thirteen year just to do a comparison side by side. That's a great idea. I think a lot of their stuff is george. Dickel juice burnell because they say that it came from tennessee. And i don't think it would be jack daniels. Probably not so maybe big dan. What got sorry. I just had some more that alagic ryan so good so good. Anyway i was harping on this one. A lot when we had mr Mr matt from the wild turkey on the on the show but in june nurse tom right the very first time the very first guest into the studio he he was with us and we talked about the industry talked about quality and i was really begging to bring a sample of the wild turkey. Masters keep for this year. The toasted barrel finish. Oh so so. The masters keeps going to be a toasted. I believe so all the media outlets are saying it. I mean i could hear it from the horse's mouth. If i wanted to stay stay stick around. Okay so that one maybe. So here's the thing about that. You gotta save me some of that because you know how toasted barrels and that's going to be the one episode. I missed because i'm doing a different thing. I have a family related thing going on. Yes we will save a lot of stuff for you. My boy sir. I've boys but the the cool thing also coming out from wild turkey. One that i didn't list is the thirteen year russell's reserve chemistry street if you've ever if you've not had the tenure which will talk about in a in in a minute hopefully Then you've got to get a hold of that thirteen year. If i mean russell's reserve they do some wild. Turkey does some great stuff with that label. So it's a really good bourbon. The russel's what they're doing. I've heard that they've been in the industry for a couple of years. I guess few. Maybe i hear their new kind of freshman. I guess than here. But anyway guys. I gotta i gotta ask a really important question. Because we haven't haven't really let the people know in a while erin buddy crack in your life right now. Man cracking right now. I have had the opportunity to go to starlight multiple times. And you lucky duck the crew. There is absolutely top notch and smooth. So i have their aged in honey barrel and also the bourbon agent honey bureau. The rye is absolutely phenomenal. so i think it was a seal bureau So roof really really lies with. What's the proof on those suburban hundred twelve. The rise one hundred ten surata ran around the same. That is the right also five year. It is five years okay. What's the d. Do how long those finished for six months six months i was gonna say and look i mean i got the bottle right here i have no bottles in front of me so I would love to be able to get up to starlight and try. Some of their their different finishes doesn't different finishes We had a listener. Hook us up with really cool samples. Yes towel bartlett hooked us up with some starlight samples from that were finished in all sorts of different barrels everything from a nineteen sixty three cognac barrel to a maple syrup barrel. And we're going to save that for another episode of the uncorked so those episodes air on our facebook page. So if you're not on our facebook page what are you even doing. Yeah where do we're ten years old. Now i mean ten episodes ten episodes covert. It seems like ten years in know. Joe so we're ten episodes all jump on our broken court crew on facebook fan. Listen bill give us a like be a cork soaker. F- love it. Let's that's patrons which will get to later but so jake. I've talked about starlight rah aged honey bureau. What's cracking with you. Man what's crackling. I dunno. Not much really honestly. I haven't tried anything new. I've just been drinking from my bar. But i did try the black saddle again. Black saddle dude. It's like a knockoff plans. But it tastes like unsheltered peanut. Did you say a knockoff. What plantains horsey bottle. Anyway everybody knows. Aaron loves elijah craig. You thought i was going to say the guy was ed. The finger over the button. Aaron lows elijah craig. That's a fact but yeah no the black saddle. it's a twelve year. It's if you haven't tried it if you can get your hands on it they. I've just seen it start to reemerge. I saw a little bit of it for a while. And then like. I think i saw two or three stores and there were like four bottles each and now i went to a liquor store today and they had eight. I think sitting on their shelves and it looks like some people had already bought some. So what you're saying is don't sleep on it. Yeah pretty much. I'm saying if you if you see grad. I slept on it today. But i did try it again because they were doing. Say if you want to try to the words got now because it really file taste literally in. I would know because i'm the blanton's expert. It tastes just like blatant cheaper. Version like blends justly planes or see bottle dorsey bottle speaking of which we've got blends right here. Which letter is this anyway talking about that. I'm not drinking. No definitely not. That's a all right. So i'm curious. I'm curious bumping. The mike i know right so i guess in my up. Yes sir. dan let me set you up here. What's cracking boy. Oh well goodness gracious. I just have to say it. I was lucky enough once when we went to evan williams bourbon experience to get to sample the square six before i bought it. I know a lot of times. I preach try. Your store. picks before you buy them if he can. They were nice enough to offer me a sample of that. And it's an absolutely amazing bourbon. It's a very high rye mash bill on that one. I trade it. I tried it straight from the bottle. It was kind of kind of spicy but once we talk to the reps they had told me you know. Let it sit for about ten to twelve minutes. It mellows out really well. It becomes a complex very textural experience. So i'm going to crack that when open and probably review that Maybe maybe on our trip. I might take it with. Tried to know we all get to try made to be shared with friends family. Even your worst enemy you can let them drink the kentucky tavern. Dan explain to our listeners. In case you haven't heard like what's so special about square sakes square. Six is actually a label that pays homage to the original site of the evan williams. Distillery if you go into the louisville and go and walk whiskey row. You're gonna see a historical marker right across from the williamsburg and experience. Where the evan williams distillery actually sat right adjacent to the ohio river. They rolled barrels down to the river. Shipped them down south and the bourbon experience sits adjacent to that quote unquote square six in whiskey row. So i interrupt no please my wife while we parked in the parking garage and she said you know what it just hit me. The streets here had a kind of a hill from from a from where the whiskey row has said. Yeah and she said that was because they would literally row whiskey barrels from the street all the way down to the exactly right and she said i'm losing said look we're standing right where the whiskey barrels would have been rolled to put on a bridge and man. I could've just done some things right. Just aaron back to the hotel the hatch. Just let her go. She learned she had been listening is that she was even having any fun. She's having a blast. I is ready to ride that. Full eight seconds we go. I swore i was born her to death with that stuff. But hearing that hearing hearing you know the light bulb coughing that realization. Hey this is historical. This is somewhere where gentlemen from generations past sure. They're not drink all that okay. Oh lusty guiding anyway This is where people were rolling these barrels onto these barges so they could distribute their product to the south and the barge may of let right like you like i. I go to louisville so many times that we went to new and there were. I was about to mentioned that. Yeah the brick road. There were some raise bricks where you could tell they would put the bourbon barrel. Roll down the error. They would just actually what they did. Was they just gave it a little much and it just it send it self and so just being in the history and just thinking like two hundred years ago there were guys just like you and me and everybody listening. Who liked berman. And who wanted to get their bourbon out to the masses and to do that they had a role it down and had to work so much harder than the people now but but it was. They didn't have forklift certifications back. Then boys right but it was still like the same thing like they. They wanted their barrels to get shit across the world to where people could like me and you sit down with a bottle. The logic cray and enjoy logic. Craig talk about it. Drink a toast it all that kind of thing. So it's just really really cool if you haven't been to level and we have listeners new zealand in colorado. There's one in the philippines so if you haven't been i would say make that a bucket list. Experience is definitely worth. If you're a bourbon person. You've got to go to louisville. So i have to ask. I know we're we're talking about what's cracking lives right now. But of all of those distilleries that we visited. What was your favorite man. Being a guy from well from western kentucky and move into henderson and teaching. It hinders county high school. I have to say peerless experiences one of my favorites just because you can walk being a guy that drives the streets of henderson on a literally every day all over henderson and i can go up to peerless. And i can walk in the back room and i can and i've been there i don't know how many times just walked up. They have the the murals of what henderson used to be. And to see the old henderson brewing company and actually do some small work bottling and stuff with the new henderson brewing company. And then seeing where peerless used to be an all the rick houses and driving across for me second street going across that bridge and my daughter eight years old being able to say look dad. That's we're peerless. Used to be and just the history of that's where it was. That's what it so like. I said i can't wait till june. Eighteenth to get peerless. Talk to quirky. Because his great granddad was the original owner and master distiller at the peerless. That sat in henderson. That drive by every single day. So for me it's pure lists and if you have cat allergies beware peerless. Because they have a cat that has just the best frickin cat in the world. Rise the g. She right likely riots. She is the most amazing distillery cat that you've ever met. I have to say this. Just because i'm not a cat person. Oh i've never been a fan of cats. After my the cat. I had when i was a little kid just kind of often did cat. Death things Well most people don't know we'll most people do but you know when a cat gets old and toward the end of their life span not to burden you with them. they'll just disappear and go crawl somewhere die. i think that's maybe why. I don't really like cats all that much. Just because i'm never gonna find another kelly but ri- my goodness such a well-mannered cat. I mean she just jumped right in your wife's lap and just laid there just almost like she knew that heather was just chilling out. Yeah and so. She gave as as we're walking out the door fearless jones jumps barrels. And just wait for us to petra's walking by yup she's like i want my goodbye rubs right and we get to go meet her again. I'm pumped so jake. What was your favorite. my favorite. we didn't get to go into the distillery. But i can't say because the drinks we got a new girl matrix that's also. What's your favorite up. What was your favorite favorite. I don't know there are also good. All of them big dan. what was your favorite mummy. Well it was your birthday. we get anyway. Well ironically enough. I have to go with the distillery that creates the birthday bourbon. I worcester i loved old forester. I wish we could have taken a tour that day. I love the architecture like the way the building is presented. You just look a flight of stairs. And there's they're giant column skill skill. Still i've been drinking no way man. That's crazy you know. I didn't i didn't manage to score any birthday bourbon on my birthday. But i did bring a bottle with me which we didn't crack and we're going to. I was kinda sad. But anyway i did actually find and purchase mr nelson something that he had missed out on this past black friday. I found a bourbon county stout that was aged in bourbon barrels. He was really upset that he missed it. And i felt like i was the bad luck term of the day because everywhere we went they only had the four basic offerings. That we never found the weller. We never found the birthday burger. We never found the one fiftieth so to be able to find that and be able to let him bring that home and enjoy it at some point. Met all the world to me. But i found and i purchased a single barrel. That was personally chosen. By jackie's i can't you you purchased a bottle of that. We had no clue. I was not know because he made a bigger reason. Why didn't and wife all of you. Who know me on emotional person. But dan went on his birthday and while he was on his birthday. He thought enough about our trip. Bourbon hunting or bourbon county hunting to pick me a bottle up and so from that point on the day for the next two or three hours. I was just kinda floored that. Dan spent his money not on himself for his birthday but he spent it on me to buy me a bottle that i was looking for forever and so you know people always talk about fine friends that are that you consider family like at that moment. I knew for a fact that i had found a brother from different mother And not the fact. They spent money on me that that had nothing to do with it but the fact that it was his weekend it was his birthday and he was he was getting me a bottle And so i didn't. Even i miss the whole fact that he bought a jackie's xikion bottle so trace tastes than i'll tell you what after we get done recording if you're not to I won't be. We'll we'll open it up and and we give it a shot but for now that's kind of what's cracking with us. And that kind of catastrophic our our visit to louisville and j mattingly. Wait where we tomorrow. I your spoiled. That bubby didn't on the on the broken would well tomorrow. We will be heading into bardstown kentucky. Jake's first time to bardstown i've been there once before just because i was lucky enough to win an opportunity to do some really cool stuff into super bowl. You started at the super bowl and now you're going to get lunch at maker's mark when we go on friday that's going to be absolutely amazing. I cannot wait for that experience. I hear they have one of the best barrel pick experiences in the industry. I'm so excited about this one. But first we're gonna take a stop in bardstown. We're going to visit some distilleries we're going to. We're going to go to will it. We're going to hopefully go and see bardstown bourbon company. Even if we don't get to take a tour anything. I would love to walk into the gift shot same and just say hi to people say i talked to him about the podcast. Maybe if they want to do something. I would love that. Maybe find out a little bit about The next world s great bourbon taster. That we could enroll no no no. He's he's going to be the next matt porter gentleman nineties. He's the true adhd. I don't want to cease and desist order. Nice job jank you but but in all reality we're gonna have a lot of fun. We're going to visit some distilleries. We're gonna go to some breweries scouting scholar. We are coming back to see you because you were absolutely amazing to us. Last time your food was delicious. Beer was top notch. And i couldn't have asked for a better experience We're going to go and see the blind pig Blind pig speakeasy speakeasy and the blind pig bourbon shop. This will be my first time to bardstown. So i mean this is all new can show you pictures of my sweet ass car sitting on main street because it was covert and nothing was open. I know but it'll be open when we get there but for now let's put a cap on that and i think we have a few a few bottles. We want to get into the meat of this of this podcast. We've already been talking for a few minutes. You think so gentlemen. We've been doing a little bit of homework as aaron kinda dies over there. We've been thinking about some of our favorite bottles of bourbon under forty dollars to tell our listeners about whether they have them on their bars. Maybe sunday can add to their bars. These are some of our favorites that we enjoy. We're not ranking them. We're just giving a list because all of these could be number one in a blind flight so erin. Why don't you start us off buddy. So when i think about under forty i'm thinking about a budget. I'm thinking about something that tastes good. I think i've mentioned it before. But i don't know that we've really talked about it but for me it's gotta be. Gts brown t. s. brown It was funny because we remove all in right by a hotel and on the side of the building said j. t. s. brown eighteen. Ninety six or something. I don't know if he own that building. I don't know if it was part of the j. t. s. brown distillery. I don't know what it was but to do some research It was really cool. And so i think. Jt s brown for me is one of those bottles. You could get it anywhere from sixteen ninety nine to twenty two ninety nine a fifth you can get a half gallon for twenty five ninety nine so why by the fifth when you can get a half gallon anyway. with j. d. s. brown. You could drink it neat you could drink it on the rocks you can make an old fashioned with. That's the way i like it. It makes a great old-fashioned baden baden. It's four years Age for years. Hundred proof just a great bottle for your money. So mr campbell. Yes sir give me one under forty under forty. This is the one of the big ones. I bothered forty It's hard to find it at forty. But i found it really under forty. And that's the russell's reserve tenure. I think i paid thirty eight bucks or so and tell me how often you can really find a ten okay. All right the somebody shoves something of their news. He's been drinking anyway It is a ten year bourbon. Tell me how often you can really find a ten year for under fifty for under forty bucks. I mean really. It's the flavors there. It smooth and it's coming from a really trusted name bourbon. Oh yeah yeah. So dan yeah. Did you find one that you like under forty. Yeah and side lost in drinking anyway. I am an absolute nut over early times bottled in bond. I i knew that was gonna come up on somebody's list. I chose to keep it all. And i say that because in every single flight that i've ever done with ally. Gosh early times bottling bond. He's been elisa. Craig need to. You need to release a parliament on anyway. y- any flight i've done. It's come out number one or number two in any budget fight. I've ever done like aaron was saying with. Gts brown it stands up willing to cocktail. It's one hundred proof it can take some water. it can take some coke. It can take isis to dilute it in an old fashioned manhattan. Heck i would even go as far as saying it would make a wonderful whisky sour. That's what i was sitting here thinking. You be a good whiskey sour. Because it's got that little nip to it. It has that little nebot. Has that beautiful brown form cherry jubilee funk with a little bit of chocolate to it and it's it's absolutely wonderful. It's everything you'd want in a budget bourbon and at one leader for about twenty eight dollars. You can't beat it again. Remember when we were talking prices were talking around our area. Regionality is a thing we're we're talking about honky here. All right your occupied northern kentucky if that makes no sense to you go listen to our last episode episode number. So my next bottle that i would like to talk about staring down. The shelves lookin are no evan williams bottled in bonn again eight hundred ninety nine of one of those that you could put with a cocktail it stands by itself. It's a great experience. And and i think it's underrated for what it is. Oh it is so a lot of those that are at a lower price under rated no compared to pin eighteen ninety nine for my modal bourbon because drink the good stuff. Well that is the good stuff. Good stuff it is exciting. Some money drinking the good stuff. Jake you get them redemption ride though. I caught mine on sale. But i don't know how i caught it on sale. Got the last one on sale. But i've talked about it before. Redemption rai is a very very smooth drinking rye compared to a lot of rise. I've had and i think it's normally like thirty three bucks. I made thirteen walmart. Liquidations are wonderful. Yes any big box liquidation. I mean seriously. But it's it's a bribe. I don't know i don't know i didn't read the bottle. I didn't do my research kind of winged it. And i'm looking. I came unprepared. Because i've been doing other stuff. I've been busy at home and stuff. It's been a busy busy few months thing. Yeah that's true but redemption. Rai is a good ride juice and they make they make more than that. I mean there are other things they make to it. It's just it's good. It's good to drink it but your mouth hole. Just put it in your mouth and drink it so dan so what you got going on. Y'all like stagg junior right. No yes well just shot that. I'm kidding everyone. Everyone likes you stegar. And so i think you can probably guess where i'm going. I've never seen junior under forty bucks. Dan no but i have seen benchmark foolproof under forty dollars. You can get it for twenty four ninety nine but it's only released in certain states. Yeah it is a limited market. But i was lucky enough. Or we're lucky enough to live in indiana where they released it. I there is an entire vertical for those of you that are unaware of this alternate benchmark virtual. It includes a top floor a bonded a small small batch a full proof and single where single barrel there you go But all of them are less than thirty dollars. Some are even as low as twenty actually. They're all less than twenty five if you go to the right spot. Yeah if you go to the right spot. I obviously didn't go to the right spot. But i was able to get the foolproof for twenty four ninety nine and let me tell you. It's not as proof as stag junior but is the same mash bill and although it is a little bit younger you get all those stag notes that you would get from a stag junior or a george t stagg they may be a little muted but they are all there and it is such a good comparable substitute for stag junior. If you've never had it so it's you're you're right on stage. Junior comes in at one thirty one normally around our higher hovering one thirty one forty somewhere in there and your your smartphone. Bruce one twenty five and it's a little like you said it's a little bit younger. It's it's the barrels. That didn't quite make stag junior but see. I don't think i've ever tried benchmark balanced with you. The benchmark foolproof is legit delicious. Like i'm nursing a bottle in. And i can and i could go fifteen minutes and give you that money saving bridge. My wife keeps saying just drink it so we can make room for my wine no anyway. He just doesn't want to give up the shelf space to another bottle for me. J. w dan and that was made my list. Sorry you've got you've gotta to wait that's gonna come up again here too. Few minutes j w again. Bottom bonn i don't know is three in a row. That's bottled in bond for me. But it's like. I was gonna say errands approve. He guy. i'm like your mid nineties to low hundreds so with that. J w it's in the same family as the gts brown Same distillery but again like we've said earlier great budget bourbon that you can put in a cocktail you can drink on ice which real quick some people like look down if you say i wanna ice in my. Some people like to drink their stuff. Oh there's nothing wrong with that race brings out flavors at. You would've never tried because your that neat person every now and again while you're sitting at home if you don't want people to know you drinking bourbon ice. Just drop a little ice cube in there because it will open up the flavors that you never experienced so get off my soapbox jake would get all right then. No i don't honestly like. I said life has been crazy in my house so i really like. I said i came unprepared prepared but you can never go wrong with a wild turkey. So like an can't like a one a one a one. Oh one so. I mean that's up there and that's not even bottled in bond so we broke the chain. I've been bitten in breaking the chain though. Well not the whole time but you know with my last. Yeah but it's it's from a from a trusted distiller a lot of people. It's a name you see it. You know wild turkey is. It's got the big turkey on it. Everybody likes wild turkey while turkey. Get off your horse and tricks them. All turkey see what i did there get those did you. Did you see what i did. That was that a blanton's joke. That might have been a horsey bottle. Joke sound guy. Aw to retake foresee bottle arrigo guys. What they're stupid horsey bader's. I've got my daughter even saying but dad a ob. Fats right she is. That's the that's the the youngest one saying. Yeah yeah i wish i. I'm going to see charlie. I'm gonna charlie again. And i'm just going to look at her like a little pair. Lbj lb may or may not have written that somewhere recently. Here we go dead. I didn't take a picture. So that's what got under forty. What do i have under forty looking around a lot. I think there are a lot of things under forty but there's one in particular that we got to try when we were in bardstown that i really did enjoy seventeen. Ninety two small batch was one that really did. Stand out to me i. I never really paid a lot of attention to seventeen ninety two outside of a lotta their special releases so the full prove bonded or the bottom bond single barrel and but they're small batch is actually phenomenal to me. It's just complex enough to be a straight zipper again. It's your bourbon. If you wanna mix it with coke. Mix it with coke if you want to mix it with sweet spiced rum mixed up a spiced rum. That would be weird but yeah do you train in japan. We're gonna have to try it what to try it some time. Just get some good sound guy wanted to do it. And we told him no and then he told us about it. So we think we're going to soon we'll give we'll give it a try. The sound guys being nice but seventeen ninety two was probably not not necessarily my favorite on the list. But it's it's definitely up there for me. So let's let's switch gears. A little bit are we. Are we going to break some hearts here. So proud we're gonna look at. We've kinda gone through some of our favorites. That are forty dollars an under. And now now what we're gonna do rent a switch gears just a hair think about bottles that are above forty but we think should be under forty so basically bottles that we think are priced above forty that we think drink under forty. That's correct i go i. I'm going to go ahead and start your thunder i always. I've got one exactly what y'all also snap. I got one hundred forty two. You should have thought of guy anyway anyway so here. We go the the bourbon. That i think is priced over forty. Now that should be priced under forty and it should stay. priced under. Forty is where it started being priced in its henry mckenna bottled in bond tenure hennion mccain bottle the vine is a twenty nine ninety nine to thirty two ninety nine bottle all day every day but they won some awards and they shot up in price and they're they're ms rpm. Never forget the day that. Brian walked into the store in and i looked at him and said that price is wrong and he said nope. They changed the price immediately right. After they won the award it went up. Fifteen dollars dollars. I mean immediately Just price shot up. Fifty are shot at fifteen dollars. I said because they won an award. Yup like no way said days. Get on the and ladies and gentlemen everybody wants to buy again a bottle and bond and put it on the free concerns. What am i going gonna talk about it. Secondary markets soapbox but. It's a good drinker. Not don't get me wrong. It's a good drinker thirty to ninety nine bottle all day every day. It's not a forty five dollar bottle which some places higher than that for others but anyway him. Kim bottom behind is my bottle priced above forty. This should be lower. Jake woody yet. Okay so i tried this one because i've been curious about it for a while right so we're at breath beverage barn. We'd been talking about. I've been talking about it for a few weeks. Just because i saw i thought it was weird. I i kept wanting to try when i thought about. I talked to dan. I was thinking about buying a bottle of beverage barn and they have the tasting bar is like having on the bar. Just try it. I mind you. This is before we really erin. This is before we knew. Aaron a whole big deal anyway deal a whole big deal all of it. I've been drinking the mulan anyway. No this jefferson's ocean all right dude. It i did not like that at tall tall. I don't i won't keep it. I know there are people out there who door it. I thought it was cool just because the novelty of oh it was aged at see. Why not try it different. Nobody does that. But i drank it. And i'm just like this is. I can't imagine paying eighty five dollars for a bottle this like. Maybe if it was priced around thirty five to maybe like forty five. Even you'd feel better about. I feel better about buying a bottle of it but i won't do it while it's at that price is i'm sorry jefferson's no you're doing some good stuff but that's just not my t j yes. I have never been more proud of you. Thank you that excellent description of jefferson's oceans. Thank you so. I'm gonna say this because none of us mentioned this is an under forty. I'm bringing it back well or special reserve not a soul of mentioned that. How did we miss. It haven't even gone yet. This is under under forty. But you don't see it under forty that's true. I sent a beverage birmingham. I was gonna say. I see all the time under forty. No we do but you know what go a few states over illinois and shit sitting at seventy dollars on the shelf all day earned day number two. We didn't mention under forty but not a not a single one of said buffalo trace traditional just regular buffalo trace or greg or eagle rare. We didn't mention them but they're they're there but then again like i said you go a few states over and finding around or forty bucks. Yeah right can't do. you can barely find it anyway. Speaking buffalo tricks on us soapbox now all right speaking of buffalo trace products that should be under forty dollars. I'm just going to be the guy. I'm gonna be the one to crush all of your hopes and dreams because that's what i do. Best blanton's should not be a one hundred ninety nine dollars. Did you say horsey bottle should not be one hundred and ninety nine dollars weirdly timed. You are correct sir. Blanton's should not be one hundred. Ninety nine. shouldn't be seventy nine ninety nine. It shouldn't be two hundred fifty five dollars. People are going nuts. And i get it. There's a lot of hype you can collect. The hor- sees the the bottle is really cool to look at. You can bring it out. You can show your friends. I'm going to have to take. It's the holy handgun to go off this bottle right. Here is the juice of all juices dan. Bourbon like there is no other bottle that comes in a hand. Grenade with a horse on top. That spells blanton's out. Let's think about the sound guy pulls out his. He's like yeah. Go ahead and some so. Let's think about buffalo trace. Let's think about alagic craig. Or let's think about any of them for that matter dan. This is the greatest bourbon of time. This is the juice of the gods. You know. There's a certain gentleman in. Virginia that's done. I was really just kidding. I know there's a certain gentlemen in virginia that's going to really applaud me for saying this but to me personally. The only blatant it's worth getting straight from. The barrel is straight from the barrel. Yes sir now. I have described. I've not tried blanton's gold. I understand. it's still not as no. It's still over high but my life is over freaking high. Okay step down. The soapbox is too tall. If my wife went to put it on there but anyway off your. I'm going to. I'm going to be that guy and just deflate. The egos of all those people that collect hundreds of bottles of blanton's just ship them to their friends. Were inflated prices. You know what if you wanna blanton's also you one for forty dollars right now. Though he won't he won't don't don't believe that already go so anyway you got one more that something one marines and hopes and everything that you can crush one more. Let's hear all of the woodford pints double double haute pinning it. You'd better be not talking four so much any of them if they come in a pie and it's fifty four ninety nine and i'll even go as far as to say. Get them bond in lillard already own rookie of force seventeen. Don't pint don't don't be talking shit about my old. For any point. He said any pine not not any most. Your word earlier was any moving on anyway. Thanks jake for keeping me honest. Sound guy can. We'll that. I have one seventeen yet to determine if it is but all of the heights that have had above forty dollars. Do not drink above forty dollars. I can honestly say paid for my. Oh sorry. I interrupted leon. Putting it out there would four grain should be under forty double double header forty on an lillard under forty already under forty w savill under forty haven't had one seventeen sequence it yet. I can't say it. And i'm not going to jake. What do you got what. I got over over forty. That should be under forty. Oh i don't know there's a lot there's a lot i can't think of one off the top of my head. What about some willett pot steeler. Don't be judging. I don't hate on saying you know about most will. I have accidentally discovered that. I like will it as much as i like allowed. Craig but i'm telling you willett pot still drink under forty just saying if it's going to be under forty but it'd be like thirty nine ninety nine that's still under forty. That's under forty. But that's i've paid over forty and i'll do it again. I'll do it again. You like the bottle too much like the ball too much. But the jews is good i i know people crap all over but i like it but above forty that drinks under man. I'm thinking i'm sorry. Dan will circle back. Dan go ahead. I'm breaking a cycle here. You're breaking the cycle. But you know what i'm this is a thinker stuck between two because there are some both in all agree with the old one. There are some expressions of this particular. Brand that i have tasted that do not drink at their price tag on the very hefty price tag to But the other one. I think is going to make more people cry and probably hate me so i'm not going to mention that one but a lot of the woodford reserve masters collection bottles do not drink over forty. Wow the oat grain. Nah wow yeah. Those are a hundred and forty five dollars bottles. You're saying saying rink. And i'm saying it to me and this is this is my palate. Can call me unsophisticated. You can call me whatever you want. But they have had some hitters. I'll admit it. Some of their masters collection bottles have been absolute godsend but some have just absolutely missed the mark back that you have enough to say that. That's a big word that's awesome. I think right along with you. I'm there but you had enough home as to say on the podcast. Yeah i mean. I like i said i respect all the stuff coming out of woodford reserve. They've had some real hitters with their masters collection but they've also had some really big misses and when they miss. It's like striking out in the bottom of the ninth of the world series with the bases loaded. It's i. I know i'm going really extreme here but i have had a few that i just did not enjoy. I like it. I love it. I'm all about it. You want some more of it. So anyone else have one more before i i do and i. I've tried it. you have it. I've tried it through you. I wasn't a big fan of it. Okay number nine the slip. This is not whiskey. it doesn't drink over forty. I would pay like thirty five or forty four but not over. What's the price tag on that. I think people seven or something like that. It's it's up. There was fifty four ninety nine when we bought it tasted that pay nine thousand ninety nine for if slipknot. Luckily it was a bottle that was gifted to me. It's very young. I love all the music. That slipknot is putting out. I was a big fan all the way from their self titled album all the way to their most current album. We are not your kind. I love their music. I would love to share a glass of bourbon with them someday. If they core taylor listening courtailler. If you're listening sean crane. If you're listening you know any of you. You know if you're listening we'd love to talk with you. I wanna see disturbed put out a bourbon. Celebrity bourbons coming soon to the broke. There's also another celebrity bourbon. That just came out. I heard about so to all you ladies. Listen to this podcast and all you guys who may watch the show. The two main stars of the vampire diaries. Oh yeah they released one. Call two brothers bond bond and it's out of i think it sounds like the north west. I think it's way out there. I think it's like organ. Maybe i wanna say oregon or washington slugged west coast out of but i know that celebrity bourbons are going to have to come soon to the broken court because i want to find out what celebrity backs the best do. That's an episode right there. Celebrity bourbons. i guess. We'll have to put the duke on it to your but you're darn tooting we all right and so what we got coming up. What are you what are you want. You want more bottles. You want and know what we got coming up in a on our next episodes. Oh my goodness on our next episodes apart from the The the trips that taking to kentucky pure less and to drive the whole stay tuned to the broken core crew for an announcement. I'm not going to say any more than that. There will be an announcement hopefully sometime this week. Maybe next week from a friend of the podcast announcing a very big episode for us Other than that. We're going to do a little bit more research on how bourbon barrels are treated after the spirit has left the barrel. We want to know more so we can tell you more about suffer a second. You're gonna say the spirit left the building. This really cool. But i've wanted to do that episode for a while but my knowledge is limited. We might have to look for a few experts in that. That might come on the podcast with us. As a matter of fact and the The man behind goose island's bourbon county. Stout did just release a video. I saw the other day about about bourbon county. Stout how he wasn't the he worked for the company worked for gustav for twenty years before he did. Yeah and then he left. So we'll we'll hopefully be able to flush out that a little bit more But other than that celebrity bourbons coming soon. we'll also be discussing in the next few episodes Our top bourbons of twenty twenty one. So far we're about six months and we're halfway through the year. We've named a few of our favorites that have hit the shelves this year in this episode. But where will they land on our top five or are they even there find out next time maybe not next time but down the road and the broken cork somewhere in the middle of the year. But with that being said guys jake working they find us on social media buddy on social media. They can find us on twitter at. I hate doing this. Because it's so long the underscore broken underscore cork. And i'm gonna say it again. Whoever got the broken cork before me. I dislike. You could find us on facebook. There's the group or the broken court crew. You can find us on instagram at the broken core. 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We don't have anybody to shut out this time but we will give you a shout out at the five dollar level or above so and closes out in. The man closes out all right well with that being said we want to thank you for joining us here on our tenth episode of the broken cork. That's right the broken cork finally turned ten It's been a long road. We've been putting out episodes since february and we wanna thank you all for joining us on this journey. We hope to get up into the hundred someday but yet again we all work nine to five. I mean we have a schoolteacher. Jake and i both work in retail and we love what we do but we love this just as much with us a lot more some sundays but with that being said guys. I'm dan he's aaron. He's air air. I'm jake reminding you to keep your bar stocked your glasses full and your mind on the pulse of america's national spirit.