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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/6/20--Guest Kenny McPeek

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/6/20--Guest Kenny McPeek

"Narrow maximum security has been defeated for. This is the Jason Beam Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason. Be around good Wednesday morning. You are. Welcome to the Jason Horse Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires a proud proud sponsor of the show. Happy but with you here on this may the sixth and look forward to what will be a little bit of a par- up show. I mentioned yesterday. He didn't hear Had some tremendous audio difficulties with with Kenny. Mcpeek during our interview and they all seem to be coming from my end and Kenny was remarkably patient. We had to do like four call. Backs try tried restarting. I tried doing all this stuff and toward the end it started happening again. There's a few spots so I'm GonNa play what I got the interview. It's probably ten minutes but there's a few spots where it Kinda cuts out for. Just a second which is honestly to annoying. But it's annoying but it's not. It's not all that bad but toward the end it got real bad one or two times and I just can't. I'm so sorry I know you're busy guy. And he was very gracious about the whole thing and I still think he had some good things to say about his fantasy stakes winner. From this past week's with skydivers. We'll talk about that race. There was a lot of talk afterwards. You know the big favourite was was a harbor who was well backed and went pretty quick. Upfront and Swiss skydiver. Kenna came to her but then Venetian harbour. Dug in before was skydiver kind of propelled at the end prevailed at the end and. I don't know that there's this thought that you know if the horse would have slowed down a little bit that there would have had more late which is entirely possible. I mean that's you know the fundamentals of pace handicapping our if you know if you go slower earlier able to have more late and if you go faster. Lee sometimes you get worn out late and therefore the closers pick you up. But I don't know that it's necessarily all that true that if a horse ran you know to fifth slower and backed it up just a little instead of maybe running off or You know that would make that much of a difference a mile into a race when it's down to a showdown between two horses. Kinda just gotten it out for the last you know sixteenth eighth of a mile. I mean theoretically it should but I just don't know if that's the case like You know I just feel that. I know there's a lot of things going to a race but I don't know that Venetian harbour slowing down a touch or to make real difference in the end. I know it. I know you want to think that it does and it may have well have but I don't know that it's that. Was that much of a difference between winning and not winning this particular and Venetian harbour is still a very lightly raced horse and she picked up. Some much-needed oaks points and I to think that her connections are you fine with where they're at and where they're heading but so we won't play the Kenny mcpeek interview here in just a few moments. I am going to do another segment of race. I Love I. We'RE GONNA go back to two thousand five to Hollywood park. I've talked about this race times because it's an important race to me personally but we'll replay the audio as well and the audio is the important part to me but the race itself. I thought just had a lot of neat things going on with it during it and after it. So we'll talk about the two thousand five American oaks at Hollywood park a coming up a little bit later also WanNa take a little look at the. Ntr a pole that's right the NPR. A poll is out and I've always said it's not really something I mean I. I don't care about vote in it but it's you know sometimes fun to talk about. I used to have a a segment called hating on the N. T. R. A. And had its own. Music will well. I really went all out with the production on on that one but You know the reason I wanNA at least talk about the NTR. A poll in this instances because it is the three zero one. I think a is kind of easy to do right now. Because we're still in that progressing toward the Derby and the Derby obviously will change all of that and I guess the Belmont could if it if it happens beforehand and I know rumors. Are THAT IRIS? Trying to get back going around Memorial Day weekend. So we'll see what they decide to do with the Belmont. I saw Baffert came out and said that he he wouldn't run it if it was a mile and a half Jewish. It's funny because it is a mile and a half in June. Normally like you know that's the normal thing and you'd honestly be coming into it off more rest because it's not like his horses would be running in the preakness in two weeks. Even though they ran on Derby Day in the Arkansas Derby. But you know I mean. He was asked the question and he answered it. And you know for years. We saw Bobby. Frankel kind of use his power to kind of you know sway away from weights and handicap divisions like. He would make a big deal out of any threatened scratch and tracks tracks want to have the superstars in their big races. And they obviously want to have Bobby Frankel in their big races and his it was his way of kind of I think Not only maybe getting something done for that particular race but in the future to like the Weights Committee or whoever decides in the way sometimes. It's just the racing secretary Sometimes there is a full committee. I was part of the Committee of Portland Meadows and You know they might. They might know how God if we make this horse. One twenty five instead of one. Twenty three bobby. Frankel is GONNA make noise about it. And he's GonNa Scratch and you know so you. Kinda plant that seed. I almost wondered if you know Baffert like I said he was answering the question but I wonder if he's kind of like trying to plant the seed like. Hey if we want these superstar baffert horses. Who are two of the. He's got three of the top four in the N. T. R. E. poll right now. Tis The laws. The only non baffert in the top four Kim Guillermo at five watching that race again we talked about it. Monday of course but Watching the second division that Arkansas Derby I can gear Moran Great Man. I really think he. You know backed up his Tampa Bay Derby and It did make dolls re kick look a little bit more impressive to because I was maybe focusing on Kim gear that time but honore P and six solve Allante and Ian Max Field. Rumor is he possibly Will be making an appearance in the Matt Win at Churchill Week to The fact he's still on the top ten is pretty interesting. I think it speaks to a the maybe lack of depth right now in this three year old division because as I said when we had Brennan on a couple of weeks ago sometimes not running is the best thing in terms of rating and public perception. You haven't proven you're you're going to lose. I mean that's you know when you look at a bad maiden race a lot of times you get horses who have run five six seven eight nine ten twenty times you know. Sometimes you look to the new shooter simply because they haven't proven how bad they are and I'm obviously Mac. `field is proven that. He's a very talented runner. But you know. He did that early middle of his two year old season. We haven't seen him since then so he's still getting some street cred based on. I think people projecting that he might be good but We really won't know until we see him back to the racist but I had no as far as hating on the a poll segment. I had no real strong opinions on the the three year olds because I feel like right. Now they're kind of easy to to rank. The top thoroughbred poll is is is interesting because maximum security is like this big asterisk in there right. He seventh and total points. But he's second in first place votes and he would be first in. First Place Votes. He'd be a landslide first place votes if it wasn't for you know what came out about. Jason surface so obviously some of the voting committee is still perplexed. I think I saw that. He was back in training. Now with. And it's GonNa be weird to see the new maximum security Post Post Service. I I mean I can't imagine baffert would a run him if he didn't think he was ready to do something. Good but also you know. I just don't imagine the horse was running bad for for Baffert but we'll see he's ranked seventh right now. Overall Thomas Day todd at six seems a little bit odd have been. I don't object to that at all. Muccio Gustav that one. I kinda have questions about but by my standards ahead of Tom's Day. Todd seems of interesting and Zulu Alpha still up. There you know cece moved all the way up to fifth ahead of Tom Day. Todd I guess that one Perplexes me as well but Whitmore at eight Mr Freeze night. Code of Honor Tenth WanNa tells me to as I mean we are. We are very void of superstars right now because these are literally the top horses running aside from three year olds and some Nice Horses. Good quality horses all that kind of stuff but Outside of midnight be Su. I can't really and maybe maximum security. I mean there are to me. There's not there's not very many horses that You know put put butts in seats so to speak Know Big names and all that kind of stuff they obviously have time to carve that out but part of carving out being a big name is is against some other big names right. I mean even you know Songbird who was very very good you know. She got beat by beholder but to me she kind of proved or metal a little bit that day because she really dug in against you know who? We had kind of assumed in called a atop kind of runner so You know I know all that the polls and stuff are in the end. Don't mean a whole lot but sometimes it's fun to talk about. Let's take a quick time out. We'll do just one little commercial and Kenya. Mcpeek will join us. As I mentioned it will be a little bit chopped up and I really really apologized. Not only to you guys but to Kenny about it but We did have a good chat for what we did get in. So we'll do that right. After this short break Jason Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world. Sign up today and take advantage of our one dollars. Sign up bonus when you wager. Five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances. Live video race replays. Realtime racing information and much more plus you can now split tickets with other players using bet share program on twin spires that allows players to split their vets with other members for more information visit twin spires dot com all right here on the horse racing. Podcast pleased to welcome in our next guest. Whose VOLT book graded stakes winning trainer. Who this past week settled so skydiver to a winning the Green. Three fantasy stakes. Please welcome back. Kenny mcpeek to the show. Kenny how are you? I'm doing super. Thank you appreciate you coming on a big score for your philly. You posted some pictures so I was assuming you're on track how how surreal was watching a race like that with like twenty people around you. Yes definitely unusual You you're so used to having a huge crowd especially oaklawn and You know for them to unfortunate but It's a great place to go racing and I think they did a good job. On under the circumstances she She sat behind the favourite early on and I thought Brian Road tactically very good race. Kinda snuck up into second on that I turn and then went to apply pressure. Were you happy with where she was throughout the early stages of the race in which she kind of wear you expected her to be she was able to enter. I start she wiggled or in. Traffic came from next to last and one off easily so we knew we knew she could do it on. I think there were those that thought that the race at Gulfstream was kind of anomaly. In the she she got the easy lead and she's This phillies very professional. She's last three races. Going to turns have been per alley. Can you mention her her win? In the Gulfstream Park folks and people thinking. It was kind of an anomaly and I think lot of people were surprised at the speed. She showed that Dan pocket. I thought was brilliant. That day Was that a new dimension. She showed for you or were you kind of expecting that day for her to be out front. Well we had runner. Short Sheelah D- Pack especially in the race at Tampa. She really probably should have won that day. And she got off a step slow and then she had to circle the field wide and only gets beat about a length and Absorb frustrating and that. We think she should have won that day but then from there was okay. Look we've gotTA get straight to to turns because we all know that the big races are two turns and most people don't realize that the stakes program in Florida isn't very conducive to finding to turn race for three year old filly They run the Devonian Dale Short at Gulfstream IV actually employee raises but the only one of auction was the son Costa Tampa. We mow to in it too so It's a situation where we had. The shipper had shepherd fairgrounds to run in the in the race. There I believe it was the silver bullet that day or forgetting The name of that one. But anyway we shipped over there then we had to had to Chip BACK DOWN TO GULFSTREAM ship. All over the board And but she's handled it really. Well she actually drive doing it. So quite proud of everything she's accomplished and I still think You were hunting for grade. One from here her I want to talk about her development in the sense that you know her debut last fall. Churchill's took a lot of money. It was a big field. Were you expecting what you saw from? Her debut was fantastic. Yeah her She had worked lights out going into that and that was one of those restricted money racist because she had run Awry Bader for thirty thousand so yeah so so that so that condition was was unique but she got that done easy enough and and then I was going to go to terms with her. But couldn't get A to turn race distill and we were hunting and hunting and hunting for two. Turner Right. It just didn't happen so we ran our one mile to act the seven eight and You know it's Since we've gone longer the better she does. You made some news. After the fantasy noting you might consider overseas trip with her with with everything pushed back in a lot uncertain. I imagined the plotting of schedules and stuff now is very unique for you guys. The schedules are moving target. Right now. You really just don't know because of everything happening and you know I think she's a Philly that will take to the term for that any trouble Now there's nothing listed in the US that she could point of any significance and the fact that a lot of their horses are going to be coming off Layoffs they haven't been running so we're GONNA be at a competitive advantage but We've got a lot of logistics works to figure out on that That shouldn't be terribly difficult. I've done it before Wesleyan I've worked together. I was sleeping and then Wesley Certainly perfected the trip And I've run well over there but I haven't won and it might be an opportunity to do something unique. Yeah I would think that knowing that you have the points and obviously you have the first Friday in September you know kind of spot guaranteed there. I mean I imagine that does help at least because you have a poll in the distance of kind of where you WANNA be in. Be Peaking and stuff well if she's training as well as she did going into this go A trip like that. I don't think so out of the question. I mean the euro's come over and back to run an eye races all the time. We just don't tend to go their direction very often. Hansa phillies value dramatically. If you can pull something like this all to prove that she can run on turf dirt. Medica- no medication. When you end up Bringing hurt auction or any of her foals dogs. And then I think you'll get people's attention and or worldwide attention and Peter Callahan's a guy that that that understands that he's bread Top horses and then evariste worldwide. And so he gets the big picture and and he seems at this point up for we've got like I said we've got some logistics to work out and figure out the timing and the details but It's possible we're going to see we're GONNA look at all really close. Can you repeat you on his here on the program? I know you've been primarily running horses at Gulfstream Park. The last few weeks are. Are You staying down in Florida? Are you still basing in Kentucky Right now well Guess yes The you know I spend about twenty straight years based at Gulfstream and then came back into Kentucky just firing away and young horses route Florida to shift it over to Gulf st or. I'm sorry shift over to Oakland for four or five seasons and had a had a over there that there with his young verses We made a an effort on that and it didn't work out. So I've shifted my tax per se back to Florida and And then we ship out of that base I own own summerfield training center and in Just south of Ocala. And we've got all our young horses there and then we've got the main division at Gulfstream but those horses are getting ready to rotate to towards Can All those details right now? Speaking of a Gulfstream Park you send out an envelope I I said that right To a fourth place. Finish in the honey Ryder. This weekend I know she debuted on the grass broke maiden last time out on the dirt. Had you been wanting to get back on the turf with that runner you're primarily Berkeley We couldn't get the to turn to go so we went in the grass We got the to turn race ago and in and that worked out well and she remained easily then we entered into fantasy because she was going to run as an entry was Wiscon- diver and she was to get excluded. So we after over to the Gardenia and she did get excluded there and then they had five scratches which is a little frustrating and then and then it was like okay. We've got her teed up. But where do we go? So we put her in the race at Gulfstream and I don't like the way pace of that race. Unfold for I I think that that we could have done a little better job tactically either way. It unfolded I think a little too aggressive going into the first turn. It didn't show much patience and we talked about that race But but now she'll shift back to the dirt and I'm probably going to take a little time with her and you'll probably see surface in June or July depending on timing. I think she's a Philly. That's got to run in I think she could be an oaks. Philly I mean she. She's she's shown she's got that kind of talent but at the the pattern hadn't fallen right in place on her as far as getting to regular dirt routine to turns. Well unfortunately this is where the audio really Kinda went. Bad and I tried to piece that together as much because I thought Kenny had some some good information and I just I so appreciate time like I said he was very patient and we tried to make it work in the the connection was just dropping out too much and it started getting real bad so we will get Kenny on another time. But really really appreciate his time and his What's the word I'm looking for patients? You know we're all I mean we're just we're all subject to the technology we have and it's It's working behavior at that particular time. Unfortunately it's going to happen every so often but Can't Kenny enough and we will be right back. After this short time out for little episode of Race I love coming up next here on a Wednesday edition of the Jason horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires not only offers the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device. But we also have great offers for our players visit twinspires.com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick FOUR BONUSES TO WIN. Sheri- thoroughbred to harnessed we have offers and promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers to find out what operas are available to You. Jason Beam horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is Your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation? Join host Jason Bean. Has He discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires DOT COM or on. Itunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Beam racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires are once again my thanks to Kenny mcpeek. And appreciate his time in the policies. You guys Indicating for having a kind of piece together that interview with the The technical issues we had We're GONNA do the erase. I love segment here in a moment but I wanted to mention an article that Matt Haggerty who we had on the show last week wrote about Per Race handle rising one hundred sixty four percent in April and the article basically says the. Us held seven hundred forty six races in April decline of seventy one percent But per race handle of course up significantly and it's very obvious number. I mean we know that there's way less track. So therefore you have the same or maybe a little bit less of betters now forced to wager on literally six or seven products so you know the the range of supply is diminished and therefore the demand at each of those places goes up and so Not surprised by that. I think you know there's been a lot of talk over the years about whether consolidation would be a good thing for racing at this point and I think that it. I think that this virus going to do that to a lot of industries. I think racing will not be untouched by that. I think so far. The only track that is literally shuttered. Because of this was a a greyhound track up Ermington Greyhound but you know harness obviously is there you know everybody starting to talk about picking up and going again and running again and it seems like each day. We're seeing another track. That's kind of cemented. Their plans and I think part of that momentum is you know it just took one or two places to kind of you know. Take a step out and say look. We're going to try to start this day. And you know makes you know the first step is always the the first person across the the line is always the one that has to deal with the most Blowback and so. We're GONNA start seeing that in other sports as well but I saw Louisiana announced. They're gonNA open June six. They're not going to run the Super Derby this year. I obviously wanted to have that person. Money for their folks who support their card On a daily basis in terms of But it'll be interesting to see if if contraction is accelerated a little bit you know because of a the slot reliable tracks relying on the slot machines and stuff for their funding for purses and all that but also You know if if some tracks just don't survive what's going to be a has been and is probably going to be for a while a tough economic situation and You know we've seen that one of the byproducts of less tracks running has been field-sized jumping up. I mean every race had oakland for weeks. There was a full field and Okla generally have pretty good fields but early in the meet. There's a lot of sixes sevens and eights and stuff in there and you couldn't you couldn't even sniff a Tan. It seemed like outside of the Arkansas is of course but You know I don't WanNA I. I Never WanNa see race tracks close. I WanNa see the sport grow. I don't know that the growth in racing in terms of field sizes. Obviously I mean you see the year to year decrease in number of full so tell that starts correcting itself because owners breeders and stuff can make some money You know I don't know that. Were going to Nazi contraction. Because you know having to bet five four. Six horsfield's is just not entertaining for for bettors. It's not a good betting proposition And it's a hard game to beat with the takeout. What it is as it is so when you multiply that by less numbers of combinations and stuff it just makes for a a not great recipe. I've definitely been a little more pessimistic. That's the last couple of weeks days. I do think this entire thing is an opportunity for a bit of a revolution in terms of how the game the gaming part of the game is structured. And maybe you know try to incentivize our players to play more by charging less or by offering a better product or both God forbid so we'll see if I mean I'm like I said I'm not. I'm not hopeful that change will be spurred by that but you know hopes Kind of one of the only things we got so we got we got to. We have to try to stick it out. I'm trying to put on a smiley face so race. I love let's Let's let's do the intro. It's a slow racing day therefore time to go back in the old time traveler. To a race I love love that Generic heavy metal music that royalty free not copyrighted heavy metal music race. I love well. We'RE GONNA go back to two thousand and five which oddly enough is the same year of our last race. I love so so far. I'm two for two in fact The two races themselves were only about a month and a half apart Maybe I'll have to branch out next week when we go. Maybe go somewhere a little more modern or maybe maybe even a little bit older. Who knows but we go back to July. The third so July third here in Seattle is the Emerald Bounced Fireworks Night They always do their big fireworks show. It's the biggest one in the Kent Auburn Valley on July third. And then you know everybody else obviously does it on. The fourth doesn't matter what day of week it is. They do it on July third. It's become a big tradition and has been for quite a while and on that day I was down at Emerald downs. But they weren't starting until later on in the evening. I think the racist started at like five or five thirty and so I got there early. I went out to the quarter shoot cafe. Which is the backstretch cafe? Sally Sally Joe Steiner owned and operated there too of just the sweetest people in the world and it's a great backstretch cafe like have you can go out there in the morning. It's open to the public. You can watch the horses. Come and go onto the track and it's it's pretty awesome part of of Emerald downs history so But I went out there because that was where the simulcasting was open. And my Buddy Ben root who was a trainer had been out of his barn and I worked my way back into the cafe and it was about fifteen minutes to post for the grade. One American oaks now. The American oaks was kind of a new race in two thousand and five at had just been created a couple of years earlier. I think it was I ran in two thousand and two. In fact the great megahertz one go a mile and a quarter in two minutes point. Four six but You know she was obviously a really really good. One helped launch this race into becoming a grade one pretty early on its existence. It was A mile and a quarter on the grass. It was kind of a late Season Hollywood park has obviously del Mar. Would starting just a few weeks. It was usually a little bit just before the Gold Kappa. Phi Remember correctly but You know like I said a race that it was was pretty new to the scene and had already generate some interesting buzz and their big thing was. They wanted to get runners from overseas and this particular edition Drew several Single lease a Great Britain bread Lewis Line from Ireland bread three degrees in Irish Bred Irish Bred Silver Cup Sweet firebird and other Irish Brett. Great Britain beds silken scarlet irish-bred. Hallo dream and the Japanese bred Cesario. Who was going to be the CO second choice? The favorite in this race was affiliate Mellor and Miller. India was coming over from New York. And Back East. Bobby Frankel Stud TNT You know they they. They paid one hundred twenty. Five thousand four her at keeneland September and she breaks her maiden at Belmont Park in her first career start rallies from from mid pack on the grass and doesn't only win wins going away by and a half at odds of seven to one. So you got a little bit of price on this Bobby Frankel First-timer so she goes on to win the Miss Grillo stakes at Belmont. They give her the rest of the winter off. She comes back a three year. Old Wins the Appalachian stakes. Lynn follows that up with a score in the sands point stakes grade. Three at Belmont Park on Belmont weekend. I think it was right. It might have even been Belmont Day but That same weekend the first weekend in June one at two to five rallied from off the pace. I mean just had been crushing her opponent. She comes into this. American oaks her first trip out west and we know Franken had spent some time out West but she ends up going off as you're sixty five favorite in this spot Johnny Velazquez coming over to ride. It's interesting looking back at the chart. Garrett Gomez riding single EAS Rene Douglas Lewis Line Jerry Bailey riding three degrees. I mean the Gary Stevens. Alex Sali's Corey Nakatani David Florez P. Vowel ON LONGSHOT. Hallowed Dream You Fukunaga the writer are before the race started. I liked Osario as a bet and before the race started. I remember talking to fixed offer on the show years ago and Vick said that you know this horse. Kinda was washed out and running off and if you watch. Tv G has some coverage of this race on Youtube. And if you watch like she warms up a damn near full sprint. Like it's it's crazy. How much intent. She's working going. I remember Victoria Me. That you know he was really kinda shocked with how vigorously they were warming up and how hot. She was getting and she was breaking from the far outside post. She's breaking in the twelve post a mile and a quarter race at Hollywood so they would start in that far far. Shoot and so not the best of Of Post position for this one mellor. I in drew perfectly in a post five. You know she had kind of a come from behind style and you know really was looking to go five for five and submit herself as As kind of the you know the Star three-year-old Tur- Philly in the country at this point so the reason that this race is so special to me is I remember as I sat and watched this in the quarter shoot cafe vicks call of the race to me is as close to perfect as a race call could get He's he's his timing his pitch his everything. He doesn't miss a single thing in the race. It's just step by step by step this perfect gradual build and SS. Reo comes off the top of the stretch and really starts to open up. You know his call just builds with that and I still to this day. I've heard this race and watch this race hundred times. Maybe more. The hair on my arms still stands up. And that's what happened when I was in the quarter shoot cafe On just never forget. I was watching it. It was kind of raised. Tv Some looking up at it and like the hair on my arms just stood up and it's just such an amazing race call and entertaining race. So here's a listen back to the American oaks two thousand five the Great Cesario. They're good start scenario in single EAS from their outside post show speed. That's what I mean and is. Let cozine close up at the rail. Three degrees is mid pack alongside hallowed dream to the outside Silken scarlet and Silver Cup. Lewis Line has to check briefly off forces mellor second to last early and the trailer is sweet. Firebird cozine take charges. They hook up with the main course and Islam. Cozine is now three lengths in front of. That's what mean in second says. Reo Is well-placed. For Japan. She is third only in the two path from the twelve twelfth hole as they race at the clubhouse turn a length and a half to member read who is fourth in on the front end is look cozine trying to win the American right here. And now she's five lengths in front single eas how low dream and Silken scarlet or next. They're all about nine from the front three degrees mellor. I ended up to the BACKSTRETCH AND LOUIS. Line all eleven lengths from the front. Silver Cup is already pushed along thirteen from the lead. And if sweet firebird ends the fourth American oak she'll make up fifteen lengths in four and a half furlongs. Islah cozine tries to slow it down to the half-mile pole. But that's what I mean and Caesaria will have none of that and that's what I mean has taken over the lead that's all for is let cozine drops back his second. Sorry who is in perfect striking position. Now just a neck from the front single lease memorandum. Lewis Line has passed several. Here's Lewis Line up into fourth but length and a half to Laura into WHO's got a long way to comments says. Reo takes charge at the top of the stretch and says reo has opened up a big lead. She has four lengths in front of singles in second then comes. That's what I mean. Laura India's eight legs from the Japanese superstar Dario Tosari Oh stretch. She's running off their feet. Likes him figure elise how you get in a second? But no way that she touched the winner says reo win the fourth American jobs mellor solidly defeated in second single as third and three degrees. Finish for it. It's just so great. It's so great so Zari. Oh running them off their feet password. Stretch so Zari I. I get chills. The during the whole call it's so great The reason it's also so special to me is literally the next day. I went to the sporting store by my house and they were having a fourth of July sale and I bought a pair of Leopold binoculars that my friend Chris Carpet. Neto had recommended because he used them hunting. And I started. I went up to the grandstanded. Emerald and I sat in a friend's box. I didn't pay for and I would just kind of called the races under my breath and I remember after I did that I go you know I kinda could. I think I can kind of this. And at the time I was memorizing them via the Celtics are the saddle towel. And you know. I didn't really know what I was doing it but I knew that I wanted to do it and I could do it and I wanted to. I wanted to feel what I felt when vic called that race like every day and every race and I spent the next six months practicing every chance I could get at Emerald and then down at Portland and it was actually. It was literally about six months from that day. I got to call my first race because it was January. Eighth of two thousand six. A Colt named sue down at Portland Meadows so That race will just always be so special me of course as REO would go on to have a very good breeding career. She produced a couple of really nice horses including a Japanese Think at Japanese champion. Three year old filly of the year. A couple years later has had a couple of Of Good Offspring Mellor. Linda was never quite the same she. She went on mean she ran a good third and the Beverley D. Had A disappointing effort in the flower bowl later that year and then would win the potty stakes at Belmont Park. I hope I'm saying that right might be capitals but had to Ended up retiring after that She had been off for nine months before winning that capital steaks and so not sure exactly what happened but went to her retirement with Five wins from eight starts. Four hundred eighty three scenario would never run again. Suffered an injury and was a bread after that but That one afternoon in July at Hollywood park she was just some kind of brilliant and it is certainly a race. I love so I appreciate guys indulging me on this little segment. I'm having fun with it while we have a little bit of a shortage in racing and so looking forward to probably doing it the next couple of Tuesdays or Wednesdays till we start to pick it up live racing more so but of course. Tampa's returning today Gulfstream's back Thursday and sort. You're getting into another racing weekend. We'll start talking more about those races as we go tomorrow horse player Thursday Valente. The Track Phantom is going to join US looking forward to having the jury on on Friday. And we'll get you ready for the upcoming weekend Appreciate the emails. Keep those come. Jason Charles Bima gmail.com getting some good ones and What I really love about some of the emails. I'm getting his people reflecting and looking at their own horse playing and asking questions and talking about the things they're trying or doing and Love to see those kind of conversations happening. I don't think they happen enough so All Forum Jason Charles Bima no dot Com. We will see you guys back here tomorrow. Everybody have a great rest of your Wednesday.

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Part 1:Andy Beyer, Kenny McPeek,Joe Bianca

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Part 1:Andy Beyer, Kenny McPeek,Joe Bianca

"Sirius Xm forts presents. With Steve Kerr. Raising and becoming interviews. This is. Stupid. A very good. Monday. Race span serious tune nineteen exam. To. One Sport Sports Nine, sixty, four listening to siriusxm online. And had our website as well. Steve BIC DOT COM. Somehow somehow, the microphone was on on my phone and so. Every word being. Turned out you stop that from recording somebody'll get a message that'll be. The preamble to. The. Declaration of independence. What a weekend? What a what a? Fascinating and rewarding and. satisfying. Even even if you didn't cash much. What what can you say about? The preakness. We were treated too. It's it. was. With all the Craziness and all the. Bobbing and weaving everybody at to do. From? The inside portion. From the race track organizations adjusting and all of the horsemen owners and riders, and players and. Everybody I mean just everybody involved when it came to reworking. This twenty twenty triple. Crown season. and. In the aftermath here and obviously it's only it's not even forty eight hours. It, it's hard not to be. Pleased and Impressed by. The, way everything came off. And there's so much more that that's the best part is that. You're going to take these results. And it's GonNa look like something you know one. One thing down the road I suppose when look at those lists of triple crown season so that it's GonNa show. tis The law. Authentic. At Swiss skydiver and WHO KNOWS You may be thinking about it. In the same way we think about street sense Carlin and. Because, I think I think it was hard not to. Be Thinking about those particularly that season and whether it was. Curling Street sense in the preakness. Given the involvement. Of the. Trainer. Jockey. With Swiss skydiver with Kennedy mcpeek who found Carlin and Robbie Alvarado Road Him. And then, of course. You fold in the Philly and the the street sense and hard spun became. Caroline Street sense became curling and rags to riches. So you had filly triple crown race. I mean what? What? What else? What else do we? Pine for. Then these kinds of moments and. There really was a lot of. Heavy. Handed drama involved in this, you know including the beginning of the week. And The questions being asked about. Quote Unquote settling on Robbie Alvarado to writer. and. Those get answered emphatically because Alvarado. In addition to having the Philly be ready and be a war horse she is. She's a throwback. Horse being they ran the Galleria earlier in the day she's in her own way. She's A. A. Gala Reddish. Type. Me She's she's run. Two. Races against. Three. Year old boys. And we'll see what's down the road and. We'll talk to Kenny in about twenty five minutes. And we'll just kind of. It's easier to turn the mic over to Kenny and. He deserves tremendous. Credit I. You know Kenny mcpeek. Takes his share of. Ribbing. We have the long running you know the long running. Curling gag you you don't get me picked her up fix him out. That that that never gets tired. That's a perennial but Ken, try things and he talks about What outlandish. Plans or ideas and the tendency is. To roll the eyes a little bit and okay. All right. Yeah. Well. You don't get rewarded. Bigger fashion than. Peter Callahan and Ken. And this Philly you don't get. Rewarded in a bigger way than winning an American classic race and speaking of Classic. It's funny I am anxious to hear this from Ken. Because After the race about a half hour later, they did a segment on One of the mad dog channels. and. One of the things I kind of. Floated out there was that. The twin, the Alabama performance, and this performance. You get the sense that she is. You know kind of A. A classic distance type that that may just be better off and the Callahan mcpeek have a very tough decision. They've got. Free passes to both the distaff and the classic. So that's down the road that doesn't have to be decided obviously you know for a few weeks. Although we will ask him about you know how we would adjust training but even that. You know this. Philly. Trotted out every you know every four weeks. It's really. A remarkable. Accomplishment and A. Remarkable season that is being fashioned nine starts five wins two seconds a third. and. Only Interestingly if you go back to the beginning of the year, the only off the board finish. was in that seven eighths. SEASON, kickoff, in, the Gasparilla. Go figure right but. Everything else has been just super impressive even in defeat whether it was second to art collector in the bluegrass or. Second to. She dares the devil in the oaks. Between this, the Alabama. The Santa Anita Oaks. Fantasy Gulfstream. Park, oaks, she's. They, they kept reiterating I. On a regular basis, the nine starts at nine different racetracks. The fascinating. Philly just. Not that big but just the hard trying and plucky and. In the right spot and employed perfectly by Alvarado the door was left open and I wanted to make sure not to talk necessarily about. You know how the opportunity arose because authentic who ran great ran the ran a quality race did not. Necessarily run. As well as he did. In the Derby, and the did he run as well or not as well or? Was He not utilized. In the same manner. Aggressively As he was in the Derby and got some conflicting, it's not conflicting but. John Velazquez said. That he kind of idled. When he took the lead? He he got exactly I kept I kept speculating everybody was convinced that it's not a you know not patting myself on the back but it it did make sense that There was the opportunity for authentic to not have to be used hard. To to get control of the race and I it it, it seems in retrospect a we're gonNA talk to Richmond. Laurie riches at the sale he's at Tema NEOM. So we'll talk to him at the start of our three. I want to get his perspective Joe Bianco with this going to be with us to our to we'll get JOE's take from TVN Andy buyers GONNA join US shortly here in the next two minutes because I explained wire reached out. Of the regularly has joined us after. Triple Crown Events But There's there's gotTa be discussion about whether or not. Johnny. Didn't. Take the opportunity. to let. Authentic. Role. You know once they hit the back stretch, I it it. It seemed like a natural to just kind of let him out and. Not, a horse that you rate on the lead, we discussed this. Extensively Post Derby. This is the this is a kind of a classic baffled style free running. Gut. Him like a carp. Type of a horse and whereby the Derby was faster early slow late this ended up being slower early and fast ish late. They went fast. And the top pair did anyway I mean there were ten lengths clear of everybody and. That that, really with art collector who? Ran Okay. Did Not have a comfortable journey was kind of pocketed and in amongst them and never really had a a smooth. Trip but ran okay. Jesus team we talked about all week leading in. The ranch huge that was great for Jose Dangelo will break all that down. And? When we talk about the speed perfect timing to bring an ad, the vire because this was a fast preakness quote unquote. And at the same time in proximity to the stake record. But of course, this race is being run in October, as opposed to May. So we talked about this all summer the development curve is different. But more importantly. Track speed. I added the good morning first of all good morning. I I had to reach out to you first because. When when everybody was talking about how close this was to the preakness record and then when the feet came out yesterday morning. People are like Oh that that fix so low it's like Oh my God let's explain it again. When I first looked at this race you know with. The results I you know I thought it was going to be. I mean just apart from the final time. I. Mean The way the race developed I thought this was going to be a very big figure because when you know big. Giant figure races are off and characterized by big gaps in the field, and the fact that Swiss skydiver authentic were nearly ten lengths ahead of everybody else you know suggested. That they really ran huge I mean in a race like you know in in some run of the mill races, you could say, well, everybody ran lousy but you know in a in a million dollar race that all the trainers are pointing for. You don't expect everyone to go off form. I mean, if the if this had just been a stand alone race. you know I I, we just had to make a figure on the basis of that. I. Mean You know I I certainly would have made it. I thought it would would be hundred ten or or thereabouts, but we have a perfect barometer on which to me a true speed figure and that barometer was the black eyed Susan stakes run the race immediately you know before the preakness it was the only other route race on the card. and. I mean this by you know by any you know by any Kenner standards were was was really weak. Field for a for a great to race something the you know an allowance. Philly won it The Y-. You. Her her lifetime best had been a ninety one and as we looked at this as I looked at this race I knew what the figure had to be within a point or so a ninety one or ninety two would be consistent with kind of most all of the horses in the field the only exception being the runner up Bonnie South who had a real bad trip on Saturday so I but. Ever. The ninety two fit with with with everybody else yet this week field getting low figure produced like the the third-fastest black eyed Susan time. Since the distance was changed mile and an eighth in nineteen, eighty, nine so. The track we're super. Fast. And the the Roth figure that they've ran of one forty eight point await was only was roughly ten points lower than the the the the Roth figure in the in the preakness. So pass the So that, there was no way to give the preakness a big number we considered that the pace was a little on the slow side which you know might have retarded these sources from running quite as fast as they could and and. So I. Just on that basis we we nudge the number of by a couple points but you know one oh, I couldn't go more than one. Oh, five, it be based on the. Be based on the evidence of of how fast the horses ran. When I saw the I it. It seemed immediately to make perfect sense. Swiss skydiver when she won the Alabama at a mile and a quarter and I wanNA, ask you the same question I'm going to ask Kenny who's GonNa Join? US. Next. She ran a one zero two going the mile and a quarter and of course, authentic had come off the one. Oh, five in the Derby. So he paired up and I also thought you had a very. Very easy third place horse to work a number from as well in in Hey seuss's team who's been running ninety ninety to ninety, five it just the thing fell. Just the number just worked. Up and down the chart. It up well, not all the way because you had horse. Like art collector and Max Player who didn't who didn't run nearly the the races that that you would expect it of them I mean to to the also rans that I was watching closely. 'cause I I had a matchup bet with Mr News over. Words I didn't like thousand words but. At all but like ask for a half mile, thousand words was just a dead horse and Mr Big News. Even, with thousand words obviously going nowhere Mr Big. News. Was Struggling to keep up with him. So there were some horses in this race who who really did right lousy but at any rate you know by the the. I think the top to have anything to apologize for the they ran terrific races. I. Mean Swiss Skydiver Rand Her heart out. You know figure of one hundred five is certainly respectable and I thought it was a You know regardless of the figure I thought it was a worthy dramatic end to what I thought was a very good triple crown series. Completely, agree and In fact we can. We can kind of. Transition. This into kind of an overview, as well as a of the triple crown season recap and and also in anticipation of the breeders. Cup but one note. Getting back to the pace for second twenty, four to forty, seven and three one eleven in one and it says a lot that the three close three of the closers that you would have expected to benefit from any pace. Max Player accession and Mr Big news they finish fifth sixth and seventh, and there was no pace to run into and from from that from that standpoint Houlihan Toledo on Hayes this team he moved he moved cleverly and and then of course, Ravi Alvarado. Moving when he did. To, basically, seize control of the race and and from that point that she she wasn't letting the Derby winner by. The the the part of the pace lined the that really impresses me was the fourth quarter. In twenty three fifty. Mean here horses go. I. Mean You know running sub twenty four quarters is a is a real mark of excellence you know in in you know in distance races on the dirt you don't see it very often, and the fact that these two horses accelerated like that was really impressive. you know I I thought they were I mean you could say they benefited from the slow pace but boy eat. PLENTY OF HORSES BENEFIT FROM SLOW PACE Without having that much in in the tag so. I salute them both. And let me. Also. Get back to that that ten furlong question it. It really feels Andy at this point and I'm GonNa let Kenny Pine on this that. This philly who doesn't really seem bread from a classic trump that they're devil out of a Johannesburg mayor. It does feel like she's authentic ten furlong horse and excels at ten furlongs well I think. Cer- certainly nine and a half furlongs is. Good so I'd be very interesting to see. A, you know what you know what she does going for, but I love it when when when you when you have Good phillies and mayors Like this and the and the owners and trainers give them a shot against males I mean, there are just too many You see too many. phillies all this. This is one of the you know the best horses in the in the you know in the land and she could beat males and but they but so many owners and trainers won't run them improve and and you know you look at the speed figures on on many You know top you know a claim phillies they just don't match up against the against the boys and it's all hype. But you know the you know they really stepped out and took a shot and I you know I'm glad to see somebody were. Rewarded for their boldness. Exactly and mcpeek is proven that he's he's not afraid to run or that that he thinks fits and you know he's upset races, big spots and shared You'd think about the the the travers dead-heat. And SARAVA. He's he certainly has had his share and he's he's also taken horses to to Europe and thinks about ascot and so forth I mean he's very willing to. you know some people some people interpreted as kind of grandiose but It's a sport that that has the capability of really rewarding that. Approach, and that's the case where we are here and the looking ahead over these next four weeks all things considered. Breeders Cup is shaping up to be really good and a lot of categories that were fairly they morph morphing early in the year have taken shape and I feel like we're we're in for some good. Matchups in in most of the divisions. I'm you know Tis the laws Belmont, you know it was a figure of one, hundred nine that certainly you know suggests that you know he is going to be very competitive against whoever they whoever they throw at and You know I think one one of the you know one of the things that's always been fun about the racing season in the triple crown is that you know a three year olds run against each other and then you want to see them get the acid test against older horses and see how how, how good they really are. So I think this is a moment for Tis the law and I I s I. Guess. you know they they would probably run a panic in the classic. The horse were that much speed they. You know they certainly have some options and speaking of speed and speed figures There were a couple couple of other really notable races over the weekend the Kelso Handicap? At Belmont I mean the Chad Brown, or a complexity. Ran. A figure of one hundred Tan which is going to make. Him certainly A. Breeders Cup factor. I mean he he Now he was a field of four. He was the speed of the race. So you can say he, he really had a a soft set but but he he really motored at the end the this. This was a horse who always had You know always had a lot of ability from the start know the champagne to and you know on. Now. He's You know. Achieved his potential so he's going to be a factor and we all and speaking of factors we. we had at Pimlico may not have gotten much notice but the you know the fastest turf figure of of of the year was recorded by factor this in grade two stakes. The PIMLICO card, he gotta figure of one, hundred, ten You know the course was very soft that day and if you just look into, you know just scan the scan results charts. I mean he Ran much much faster than everybody else I mean if you know if for. A. Making figures on soft turf. It's become often be a little tricky because there you just have so many horses in the fields who who just may not like going but anyway, a looked at this, it was a monster performance seven one of many by Brad Cox worse over the weekend. Also on the same front I got mentioned and then I'll go through after Ken joins us. I'll go through the whole weekend and and hit a lot of the highlights. But certainly on the mild division, you had the performance of Mo. Four Forza who continues to really just I can't Gush enough about what this means when it comes to bury. Abrahams and Mo- fours came back wins the city of hope, mile gets a one, zero six, and then the upset Paula Lobo who we've enjoyed since the days of Farda Amiga the the wonderful mayor that he brought to this country and here's a another. Brazilian. Great one winner for Logo I var. Who I I I went back and looked and I. Still, would have been hard pressed to to utilize Ivar but one, zero, four for him. So there, there were some very notable phase all over the all over the country. Really. You know it's I guess it's not surprising that you know the the. So many horses ran big races at around this time. Because for much of the season. be because of the virus I don't think. Am because of the uncertainties of racing schedule was going to be like horses weren't getting revved up, I, mean we talked. Earlier broadcasts about you know like I mean, two year old races You know a top tracks were producing figures like in the you know in the forties and fifties you know It made me think something gone haywire with the numbers, but it was at no nobody was really revved up because were really not an incentive to do it. So I think you know the in now the American. Horse population is it has gotten fit and I hope we. Finish the season with the bank and the Breeders Cup. It seems to be headed that way and also include the Joe Hirsch win by channel maker who also as a veteran. Continues to. Improve almost a if that's appropriate a one wait winning The JOE OR TURF Classic Bill Motte with a big weekend Not Just Belmont Bill. I mean fired up in Kentucky and elsewhere. So Andy I really appreciate this because I. I I saw the the confusion, the public, not understanding why a near record time didn't equate to To. To a gigantic figure and so. I mean I think if people Just look at the final time and the black eyed Susan look at the final time you know of the preakness and you know sixteenth of a mile is worth like six two fifth seconds and then compare them and you'll see that Swiss skydiver was not that much. Not, significantly faster than an ordinary group of three year old fillies so. It's not a mystery. It just seems that way. And the buyer and the the more you people the more people to try to. Understand this the the easier it becomes Andy thank you so much. Talk to before the breeders, Cup five and without fail. Antivirus everybody and. I had to kick off with this because. There was obviously that that confusion out there yesterday morning people like. To Low seems low. It's like, no, no doesn't it seems. It seems to be completely logical. So. Treated to an early visit from me well, usually either first or second on post. The Post Classic Days Ken mcpeek is GonNa join us momentarily. And We'll. Kind of celebrate this This win. It. Deserves mean absolutely deserves. That acknowledgement. For. mcpeek coup. At Different Times. During the The The, the spring my my inclination is to say spring. But during the summer and as we headed toward Derby and he. was being. He wasn't even being circumspect. He was sort of. Publicly Considering. Running the the Philly in in the Derby and You know it's certainly easy for people that. You, know after the fact to say, well, she blows you might have she might have beat them in the Derby of shape. That that that's that's neither. I that's a you can speculate all your one on that I. Really hadn't even thought much about it until. You know just. Mentioning it here But there there's quite a bit that went on in this race that and has andy was talking about. The the matchup and I looked down and I saw thousand words behind Mr Big News, and then I saw that the horses that were. Ninth Tenth and Eleventh. Through the half mile. And Three quarter they ended up fifth sixth and seventh I mean there was just no no place for the. closers. To Go. Because by the time, they make their move. suis skydiver authentic are gone. The that that's why. You know that's why. The two of them are. Ten length ahead of. Jesus team and an art collector and twelve thirteen fourteen lengths ahead of the fifth sixth seventh. Finishers Ken, mcpeek joins US and. We've certainly over the years had plenty of opportunities to congratulate Ken on on. Big. Wins. But in a lot of ways, this feels like one of the biggest Kenny congratulations to you Peter Raabe Alvarado and this. This absolutely Throwback Philly. Yeah, she's amazing to be be around we've. We've after of or it just keeps keeps going and just really proud of her job. Robbie did it's it's a real weekend. The the decision making process and while we were waiting for you. Kind of. Take back, to pre Derby and and then of course, there was also the Bluegrass as well where you you took a spot, took a shot and. Figured, let's get points and it made a lot of sense doing what you did it talk about the. The decision making process with her and what you've learned along the way that gave you the confidence to run here Saturday. Well we've relied on on the sheets to. How she stood on paper and you know look, it's not like any. Of that. When he didn't parley did on paper I don't suppose but but she did and you get a little bit of weight off when you're running against Colson, she'd accomplished so much against billings. This year already and we just really felt like That of. The lesser of evils was the is because it's so. Such a great race in to take on over and phillies bears like you saw. Bella got beaten yesterday. So if I had, let's say I got beaten that race than it would have. Been You know who knows but but the the fact that she got thrown straight three year olds I thought was just better better setup. In the AD distance. GonNa I'm GonNa jump to that actually instead of using it as a follow up because I. I kinda speculated on that during a recap that I did on serious. Saturday night and because the question came up, you know where does this? Where does she go now distaff for Brita Classic and I did say Kenny and then I saw you had said the same thing it. And I just said at the anti buyer, a her two best figs are best performances from that. Viewpoint are at ten furlongs and nine and a half it. It really feels like she's a you know a a natural classic distance horse. Do think she likes the edit distance, but you know what we will analyze. The competition and try to figure out where we're doing things been fast and we've got. Plenty of time to sort of all that and. And the I do like the mile and a hopper, but it's It's got depend on walls in there and We'll do the math on all that and Peter now heads together figure it out and we got plenty of time. Well. Let's let's talk about some of the things that made this as special as as it turned out and part of it frankly is the robby Alvarado sidebar because. As if you hadn't already had people saying, why isn't he running into spinster? wisey running preakness and and then in terms of eyebrow raising, tabbing Robbie to roadside brought out. You know share of of birds and I. Rolling Talk About bringing. Robbie. Well. I suppose you want the whole story when we When we ran in the Alabama we couldn't bring up. Brian Hernandez, because covert and so gaffe. Leone had the rod and Alabama and it looked like he was just going to be a one race off feel and he did break your made and by the way but the Cater, not discussed talking to Brian Hernandez about a two race commitment because we had all the whole time and thinking oaks preakness and we really felt like we could win the oaks and that that that should be erased. So, we offered to rates commitment to Brian. And Brian and his agent initially turned it down saying that they. They couldn't because they had art collector and we understood that. So, we offered the to rates Commitment Telegraph owner newsagent. And so and they accepted it. So we were like, okay great. So we run in the oaks and and I do think tower should've stayed inside and we probably windows that day but that's nothing we control in hindsight so. So but it was his mouth to come back in the preakness and we had to raise commitment or not. But I didn't want to commit to the tree kness until I really didn't want at his law to the mix because I felt like. His race in the Alabama and and and such such a good horse, and I don't think that horses fond of Churchill. That's just my opinion I may be wrong but. but anyway went Tis the law that he didn't come out until. He was out I WANNA. Say till the twenty third or twenty four. Maybe even later. So I had to okay that point. Okay. Now, we're going to seriously consider. But I was in the middle of the keen on sale. And that's such a marathon and I told tolliday it look I need to need to get out of the sale and get over to Churchill watcher train for a couple of three days and we're GONNA work on. Saturday. Tyler. It's GONNA come worker and if she woke twelve, then we'll sort it out. So Tala comes over worker and she worked. Like a beast, she worked fantastic jumped off to specialists ever fell. Let's go. Let's do it. Okay Great. Saturday so I now running in the preakness paynter, knock her and. Saturday night I'm told that. Colorado said well. We intern thirty six hours. How can you tell me this now? we have to rate commitment. Well we'll Rod. For Chad Brown at Keeneland I'm like. You know that's dishonorable. Can't put me in this position. I don't have. Zero options right now, what am I gonNA do? And They just basically said your problem. So. So reached out to Mike Smith's agent. I reached out coronaries agent. We try to do the math on who was available even local routers in Maryland. And I told her I said. I got an idea year and I don't know if we can get these guys rob degrees it harsh for me Akeem one. and. I think. He's on his game. And he's he's been there done that. And we need somebody to trade up that weekend to be able to go. And He said what? He's not been rod and a lot right now said I know but he's on his boy he's working hard. He'd been breeding young horses for me and I said, you know what? As far as I'm concerned complete confidence Robbie get this done. But what I'm going to require is One we needed to see if Smith was available so we have to wait till. Sunday. So we didn't find that out Sunday afternoon. That's Smith wasn't available. And I called Robinson here's the series of events that have to happen for you to be able to go up or I'm going to tell Peter go and he says I'm in no problem. And I said but you're going to come get her every day. You're going to get to know her you're GonNa you already. Studying raises. And if in you and I are going to fly up together and we're every day with her. and. This reminded me of when David Cohen won the. Travers for me and. Also ask him to make bond with the source. Get on him every day. Get the knowing. Be One. What's him? And Robin I got on the plane and we literally we had dinner breakfast lunch dinner. Breakfast lunch dinner he came out on her first thing in the morning power walk help hold her forbath. Walked her it was you know what? Even if we had been? It was a great time. and. He and Ivo already friends prior to this and he's one graded racist for medical but it's it's quite a happy ending. We took I think in negative and turn it into a positive and you have to do that in all cases in life you have to do that. And this it's just surreally really is it's like, wow, we did it. We did. Talk about his decision making and take us around the you know the the oval and you know what you what you were thinking going in about how close you wanted to be and what you expected of the pace because. When it when it all? Came down and they went past the stands they weren't going nearly as fast as most people expected. Well I believe her her best race is when she hits forty eight seconds for the half Mile I think that saves enough juice to sprint home and if you go to quick. Then, you soften her up a little bit. And she went to The bluegrass too in the bluegrass she went that I think that half we went a little slow. And I'm sorry real quick. And if we. pased her a little bit better I think now chicagoan down art collector but. Onsite. Twenty Twenty and the Alabama race at four spot on. And I told Rob said letter you just get her and rhythm don't force anything if she gets forty eight, that's that she's going to finish and if she takes you there without here movie did you have a move when I straightened up you're a win wrecks. And When eat the best movie made with split in that whole and he? took. You through it. And Jet He had a lot of horse and she really special. Unbelievable. Talk about the camera got on you pretty quickly post race but talk about you know what you seeing down the stretch because there there were a few strides where it it looked like authentic was was getting you know the shoulder in front and then in deeper stretch I, it seemed like she's not GonNa let them by and basically held. Those, the charts will say held sway. Well It did look like he was gonna get by about the eighth poll closer to the Exterior Pole. and She just Doug back in robbing only hitter one. And these. Said phillies don't need to be here and No. There was like a six six strike rule or something that Maryland has and Robert said, he'd really at no point in time had intentions. Because, he didn't feel like she needed to be Hitch Sheridan had and and the way that she carries a rider is more important than striking and I think that's just A. He's he's a quick study knows what he's doing. He just hadn't had the stock the last couple three years, and that comes and goes and You know he'd be certainly deserved Rod Moore and I'm certainly GonNa give more mouths in our think others will too. Soon just an absolute thriller they they distanced themselves from the pursuers and to gave everybody a a real treat and I talked earlier before buyer joined us, Kenny and I. I made the you know the connections of this dual to. Carlin and street sense. I. In their preakness and of course Robbie on. Carlin. Your association with Garland. And then there was also shades of rags to riches and Carlin weeks later in New York with philly versus Colt and so there there was some you know historic overtones and then there was just the raw thrill of competition whether it's male male female female or male female. Jean. King be proud. Wouldn't. I you not the talk a little bit I we got gotta obviously we got the Philly to talk about at Keeneland the the great one win simply ravishing. She was spectacular and I don't WanNa let Invo they go on noticed as well from last weekend at Remington, but I can talk about. The, decision making process and. Maybe you know maybe. Gird some. Some people? Toward You know trying things that that are out of the norm and you know you you've been impervious to criticism as long as anybody's known you. You're going to try things and you're going to think about. Some things that that other people would. You know wouldn't try and talk about that mentality and you know having the confidence to to try these kinds of gadgets. Well. Some people out there. That the Ellen I believe is Eleanor Roosevelt the critic. He can't really worry about the critic You know it is being the arenas completely different than being outside and haven't any. and. You know. Get the corn when he walks out. In norlin. Trumping doesn't on you can matter. I had I had. happened. In. Nineteen ninety, six ahead a misdiagnosed. And I actually saddled on run derbies like that. In it wall. Walled office practice. I was actually on an operating table I'm a summer. And she summer of ninety six and I gave me twelve hours to live. And I got off that I got out of that and it took me about a month. And I live like differently since then but. You know everything's crazy. Really. The doctor said, you're not close you're buying no Kluge said to quotes. So, so we need to take that perspective and you know lost my mom back two, thousand, five took sabbatical. That was A. Term event, you become You know what really matters and what's What you can do in life and shouldn't be fear poll I mean. It's not a it's not like it's been a while if you get paid. Camping movie learn. And since I think that was an average trainer back then in in ahead. Of. Me I needed a bigger. And Take that approach today I've never been skittered around I. Don't really care whether people. Graham not, but you have not done enough of that. I've shut them up quite a crime. So really don't need this out that. And My mother would say the best revenge is winning such get out there and win and. About, all the other other noise and She was an amazing person. She gave me say the on a regular basis. WOCKHARDT. For those at once you don't put too much energy and those that don't. Just Keep at it To she was really special and tribute a lot of the person I am. Plan to my, mother and father. Out. Compassionate compassion. But my mother was one that's given me the ability. To The personal or things. Pays off and on the other parts of. The equation include you know being able to identify. Young Horses as prospects and buy them buying them right and you and I've talked about this I mean countless times and I thought it was. kind of under discussed or under reported I mean the fact that you know that she was a modest purchase. Has Certainly, brought up enough times but you know between the black eyed Susan winter and we'll talk to Jimmy Ryerson next hour. she was an eleven thousand dollar purchase and and you know here's this. Philly for you know for thirty, five thousand and it Kenny it it's. A little for those of us that are in this game and don't have. You know big six-figure. Bankrolls to apply. To get bloodstock and I it it. Obviously, you know being with people that. Can Look at a young horse and of course to Moni starting today. Having you know having that part of the equation is is a big element but you know when when we see this, happen it. It gives. Hope, it should give hope to a lot of people that you know that know that they can't compete. At at. The highest level when it comes to what is spent. To acquire you know a good horse. So from that standpoint, I it it really goes a long way to to make people. Believe, and and. Have confidence that. It can happen to them. More. Young. Car I don't. WanNa do that and I don't i. I I've evolved in the sense that I want to. Bet On horses and our toll quite sleep better. About. smartest room or sometimes. Stock. And I would say you know, let me pick them if they don't be at my fault could if they can run I'm Gonna I'm GonNa find one that came in and I don't know all the years I've done it. You've gotta be able to go whether you're competing against new one looks at Real Bob, todd, pletcher These guys have so horses. So you have to figure a way to outsmart them to be able to get. When I've had a lot of really really people that have worked for the school on long wonderful people you know how learners? Heeds Tommy Lewis, of course tally. On now, more Don't want us. And Pine. From quiet family with the horse, it's got the body by the stakes winner out of in the marching thing. Than than you are. Coming I guess A. Pedigree. SNOB the mayor's got our steaks I I've oranges in about gravy no it rather than the first stakes through the when she has a story that connected value. So tell you spend people's money. So the the the value buys whether I was calling her simply ravishing is. in a way it's it's hurt because sometimes I wanna buy or more money but in a way, it's kept me humble that you know we gotta keep doing it with these and and producing good people and spending money smart. Talk about simply ravishing and crazy beautiful the actually two one, two on Friday and the alphabet. Well I. told him a learner While back, this might be the best she ever owned. Him Set. Some pretty good ones is. Marcus and others, but he I told him I said, you need to come down because you get your picture and. Pretty pretty sure that she's a better phillies than crazy beautiful, which is already saying a lot. Kind of. A We work together and Now, honesty. Run each other. And almost took kinds of. The? We didn't want ship. And you know simple ravishing skepticism songs on or She's a gorgeous I'm GonNa tell you right now she will be nominated for. So so on supplement. With skydiver. Do. Poke. Lawn. Grass up whether. Was that is the you know the logical Next. Next question. In terms of. Going forward, just reaching for the there's the chart they lost the. got so much stuff on this lap. It's. It's crazy. There's the Phoenix bodies. There we go Tha- know this obviously being New York Bred Mickey Levy Bread. Simply ravishing out of a more than ready mayor and being by Laya Band and how much how much of. This. Angle or this direction Because, you you're somebody you marquette. I, mean there's a few people we talked to about you know the the. With the of. Starting horses on turf and moving them to the dirt and. Mark always talks about you know that it's a little easier on them Early on you know starting with turf you've talked about that as well. if. You know if the if the PG Johnson stays on the turf. Do. You run in this race or do you take a different direction? On Delta bodies was. A really great spot for, but it's for me. It's not about turf. It's about the dynamics of amount sixteenth. Because, if you sprint a horse to many times, their mind becomes a sprinter. And if you route them and you teach them to to rate in and relax at some point and there's no. Forcing anything, and then then to focus in on the finish. Than than horses I think. They thrive on. REPETITION. And WHEN YOU RUN TO TURNS They. They've got to figure out how to how to get in a nice pace and rhythm nado there in in rush to. Finish fast. And I like to teach my young orces to write off the pace Swiss got cloned her lessons in the first race. She came from last and wiggled away through traffic and drew off simply ravishing was. That, there are no to turn. Two year. Old Dirt races. available at a certain point in time especially in July August. And September they start coming around. But then you're in the middle of you're getting close in the preps for those those two year old stakes argue being run and The fact that came off the turf in PG Johnston. Didn't like it, but but also felt like she could win anyway and. So alter talented she she went on this ran off but You know that the that also bodies has been the goal for a long time and our kid when he he's a good friend of mine and really love the man. I've told him I would morale's by. He's a really competitive guy to that. I will greer's ago one that first Belmont I granted Wayne. The next morning in we're going to the to the track and coming out of the elevator said, uh, thirteen to one and that's me says, well, I've got thirteen triple crown winners you've got one. I, think the math sixty, seven, hundred, thirty, nine, he's what's that being? Said you sixty-seven I'm only thirty nine. He laughed. We've always been friends since then but but I love the. Great. Race. And you know I, like to get a Breeders Cup under my belt postings been frustrating but. We'll worry about that in a few weeks and of course, you know getting the win over the surface and even getting the runner up. For crazy beautiful goes along way. Let's fold in another philly because I did tell you earlier that I wasn't going to let end Vitton Day's performance at Remington go unnoticed You know she she sort of been. Playing second fiddle because you've had nice things to say about her you know all year long talk about where you are with her coming out of the REMINGTON OAKS. Win. she's. On on the shelf, she's she's I think earlier in the season, we got pretty ambitious with her between the Ashland. And in the Alabama and I was glad to see that she got the third degree born in the national network. We've been asked recently, but all your win percentage. That wind percentage I worry about you black pipe on phillies of the. and. That's one philly that would chase black tie with because we knew she was good philly but we also knew that she wasn't quite as good as Swiss, which has been proven pretty well but. But she's not she's certainly not chopped liver and Earlier in the year, maybe gone to the Iowa, she went mad salon. Would have one that But we chose to to chase some of the bigger prizes and then the Remington Rice was inbetween it in the blackout Susan I do think she could have won the blackout says too. But we wanted to. Check the graded stakes box with you because of the long term residual value. We actually took a shot with two other films in the race seat that could hit it the board because like I said, the residual values a big deal for for breeders and certainly the the owner of the horse currently it. Gives some resale value for sure if you choose to. Well. Well love I guess we'll wait and look forward to. A return, she's an uncle Bo. A bluegrass cat mare and chant Sean or Won't see her till she's two till next year right now I don't think there's any three year old filly rates from on on. Nominated Valley view but that would be a main track only train and I'm not sure I'm going to even enter in there and then like I said I gotta look at the calendar and just got back from Baltimore but I think she's probably going to get a break in all regroup among your back into foreign year old grade threes. Let's stake stuff like that. Excellent well Kenny the one more round of Philly conversation and that is in regard to Wednesday may have to call you again the later in the week talk about The phillies and the Jessica. Sounds good. We've got a decent shot. They're too. Lazy Summer Day This is FERN circle and a and Barry Jones and. Home Berries Summer Front Philly out of a gone west mayor that broker maiden that? Alice gold, the mile and a sixteenth, and she's you know Churchill she drew outside but it it looks like she. Might. Come from a little bit off anyway. It's a good next step for You know another winning your and she's fairly big beautiful filling. She actually thinks he's going to be older horse than than even two year old. So Times in front of here we got We're GONNA. See what she's made of. We're GONNA have to run our but. It's a good next step for. And then on. Wednesday or Thursday let me ask you about the first time starter the exaggerated exaggerate or Philly of McCoy's wild story. To figure where she fits and I think you'll like the term. And certainly prepared to to get the distance air but she's the beautiful Philly Saratoga, yearling punches and Yeah looking forward to her I run. Well we we talked about a whole bunch of of phillies two and three year old but a classic winner historic got the sixth silly to win preakness and Kenny will look forward to. The the postscript here and and the reporting but the decision making congratulations to Peter and Robbie you the whole team because it is you know you have your run the team operation. Just. You really special and a great way to end the triple grant season. Ken mcpeek everybody and you follow Kenny Yeah. Twitter Kenny mcpeek and you can put up a a wonderful video yesterday morning. Greeting her at the the stall and she's bounced out of it so. All good and Really a special chapter here to the. End of the triple crown season the little bit past the top of the hour after Kennedy mcpeek and anti buyer joins us. Let's take a break here. When we come back I've got Jobe ACA IS GONNA join us from Td. TBN. We've got visits coming up with Jimmy Ryerson who won the black eyed Susan one of our favorite. Horsemen Anywhere Ryerson does such a great job and then a wild between great at stake win. So we'll talk to Jimmy and David Dilatot Domenico as well because lackey haven't even mentioned this yet that was one of the most fun. Wins of the weekend. Damon. WHO's won his share of? Of Regional steaks and Maryland mid-atlantic type things but if you remember he had immortalize. And he wanted the Francis Dash with the moralize but it wasn't graded at that moment. It was that that period early in the decade when when Maryland racing was. kind of laying there like a goldfish that jumped out of the bowl. and. So. He didn't have a great at stake with in what is a very good consistent career. So just thrilled and. How do you not get excited about? seven-year-old lackey will we'll talk to David later we've got a big from the sale. We got more so. We'll. We'll have more for the next like three days. There's so much going on here. There's so much to recap. Jape ribbon will join US tomorrow to. Anti course have to dig into all of the New York results Oh my God. Santa Anita I did mention Mojo forcing. You know. Kind of a house source terms of roots for Barry Abrams, gotTa get the Peter Miller actually to reach out to Peter Maybe get Peter in our three because he's had. To tremendous weekends. In a row low fours and he had the Zuma Beach winner yesterday that Yuko. And last week yet. The three of the the Santa Anita stakes including the American Pharaoh. For Gary. Barber. Let's easy. Rocket who won the sprint championship so we'll reach out Peter. Let's take a break Joe Bianca from td Ed next. He won't. Be on he won't be on Zoom. So nobody can. Critique. The. You know the decor of his apartment back after this with Joey. Aspirations with Steve. On Sirius XM radio. From Vera leak blind. The people that bring you EP. L. E. Klein Unlock and leadership now comes flexible by ha the most advanced I typically based joint supplement on the market. To find out more contact me Joseph Allante. Two one, five, five, zero, one, six, eight, zero. 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Part1:Nick Luck, Kenny McPeek

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Part1:Nick Luck, Kenny McPeek

"Sirius xm ports presents advertisers with steve. Big horse racing. kelvin interviews. This is steve very good monday. Shelter them fans serious to nineteen exam to oh one zero nine sixty four listening to siriusxm online at the website dot com we hop to it literally the hurdling and the chasing tomorrow through friday at cheltenham in this first hour will get the overview. Wanna slip it in here and get out ahead of it so that particularly the tuesday. Wednesday looks racism beyond the morning. We'll take a couple of probably each day concluding the the granddaddy of them. All the rose bowl of of cheltenham gold cup on friday. But starting tomorrow. We're going to get nick luck in here in about four minutes. Nine zero five will get. Nick got a little window for him and later after kenny. Mcpeek kenny mcpeek is the is the sandwich filling in cheltenham sandwich Because after kenny. Who's on his way to. Ob s another of the week's storylines. It's it's louisiana derby week. it's oh s. Two year old in training sale season kickoff. Tomorrow and wednesday kenny's on his way there so we'll talk to him in the car don't know if he's coming from north. Or if he's coming from tampa coming from cal from orlando several options and then the longshot lad himself kev. Humphries will join us. He'll give you his tuesday and wednesday ideas and have your pencil ready all Let me give you a quick rundown and touch on just a couple of things before. Nick joins us At nine o. Five richmond laurie. Ecorse top of our two. We'll check in with bake after the weekend that included you know not just what rich and the team doing base that at acqueduct. Ecorse the ocala. The ocala the oaklawn action on saturday. And i'll explain the craziness over the television coverage saturday. I've never seen anything like it The address that in the second but We'll get all of riches opinions and i may. I may surprise rich by reaching down to ocala bringing his son. Joseph in joe is down with his big lorry bloodstock and work with clients. Or maybe we can slip. Joey in with with rich for a couple of minutes tom amos since its louisiana derby week. We'll get a visit tom. He pulled a very clever stunt. I gotta tell you that that little suspicious he took little stitches snuck her into maryland and one the beyond the wire steak On on saturday. Laurel the racing the those steaks. Good lord in fact Also turf paradise on friday night. That was fun. I watched second half of the card from from turf paradise which i can't remember doing And watch all four stakes and then a couple of particularly Engaging results there we'll get to that But amos will join us talk about little dishes. And then we'll even get some preview from time for his for starters all lewis a lot of business with louis and with karen mclaughlin Louisiana derby day and So much fun that they you know the draw that car two week out so you can really. She wanted and came up very good The derby and the oaks and everything else and the new orleans stake and little louisiana the louisiana crescent steaks and so forth so amos later and more. All right. I got a couple of other loose Probably probably slipped tom. Tore into at some point from. Ob s a really quickly. As the as casey reaches nick luck it was oaklawn that set the schedule on on saturday. The the fox broadcast absolutely wanted the rebel within the body of the broadcast but oaklawn the way they had the card laid out. They wanted the rebel as the feature. The eleventh of twelve and that that's just how the way it unfolded. It wasn't it wasn't fox's choice. It wasn't nyerere's choice. It wasn't the i i've never. I've never seen anything like it like. It's some oh it's incredible insult to what are you talking about just i crazed crazed i. I just shook my head and it was discussed all week long by the way all week long in ireland and in the uk and here and everywhere that chasing and hurtling is appreciated Cheltenham will be discussed. And what a perfect way to kick off cheltenham than with a visit from nick. Lock nik Good afternoon high. That they neck There's a couple of stories in fact even before we talk about the races in the schedule week the biggest story seemed to be horses have been declared out of races including this morning. Nicky henderson out to your out of the champions jas dot crossed out here. I think it's an irony. Really four or five seasons racing never any missed beat and turned up every time he was asked to and invariably one out in the last two years they get on track and there's never been a massive issue. It's always saying sequence minor minor problems and most recently cough this morning. They've in that he sky which was a obviously enough of run them in the championship. Haven't been seen since christmas. time out. he was eleven time. We from last year. For different reasons you had put problem been taken out of the great one single creek checks found out the very reasons on soft ground and other time could again. He had a minor problem. So yeah the track of total really To to any great degree the last couple of years. I'm just hoping for now. Hyper they get him out of the school into the season but it was the racist significant interest. And it's a shame. These who is taxes now lives in england and ireland a big luther that pace in that final pieces. Were you often get one. Just go by the wayside. We've had a little state in the last couple of days of unusually high profile time. Elliot's wanted to the front. He's going to run on the heat. Okay running couple of weeks. Time at the bucket or she with him And emigrant. Who's a very exciting jason for what he wanted to be alcoholism and the but these things happen under. This is going to be more minor problems and injuries with this nations. And they're up on the sun. It's something we've come to expect. Disappointing two point. Some of the championship raise particularly the nobody's championship. Races have run up. Likely that she'll feel them and don't be out of refills. Usual second scientist behind closed doors right thing like a social runners that they will come into well. There still will be no shortage of drama and terrific competition and As as always there'll be some you know some big prices that'll invade These decisions it's very much Of an intense period with the group ones that are stacked on top of each other day after day Maybe work back from the gold cup and and talk about You know some of the the standards that are going to be most anticipated all right. Well i mean. Do you want me to join us tomorrow. Utah let's walk through. Let's let's start with tomorrow and of course The champion and The article you mentioned the group once yes start with tomorrow and we'll go through the four days all right well tomorrow to feature is about champion huddle so this is the end. The test to feed her at vile minimum. Different for the services has taken a wash. They say we thought it was gonna be nice. Good ground but ten of rain overnight. So it's gonna be on the softer side of our Really it's a question of whether the the two dollars in the right path across win a honeysuckle can could dominate inverse allow honeysuckle to ever be the went honeysuckle under the irish champion hurdle twice. She had the ground in her favor on. I can certainly running uphold race. I think both of them will struggle to to to be gone. If he's gonna going day he famously painter degree for the final flight huddled last year when ten links scare turn freakish and good at times at all thrive on is inspired this field and against the probably in order. I consider Though shen in the in the champion hurdle young. Greg wants tomorrow. We're one of the arkle chase the the big race the novice chases over the bigger obstacles. Very exciting fish been deputy but he stood up. He wants to bring his last year at the fixture his main danger. I mentioned earlier on the house. If the ray shouldn't claim saying sailing skin one of the biggest price. I think could run. Captain giving who was brought down at fifty last year when during a full dined egging last twice. But i think if he if he gets his jumping together. He's a really interesting wrongful over very small field. This has ever failed. Is eight runners. Go to post jar. Remember the days when that twenty five or thirty eight gigs. Post show price. Willie mullins favorite in the nurse. What we become accustomed to now the gentleman festival appreciate it but whether he can. He can be affected over the shorter fifty miles tomorrow. Relatively shop tested him. I'm not convinced able to boston. Field is as easy to one time. And i think the valley adam could get a lot closer and with with another one hundred belt. Valley articles book was one of those. I was trained like with any effect last week. He had. I think he might be. He might be getting ecstatic wondering the tomorrow. The grade wants tomorrow. Steve wednesday out the race with from hotel. Check the check twat again another million. He missed the race last year. He joined on the voting in the race type. He makes it. They signed because he's got kelly the best form he needs com however nasi political probably represents a little bit of value. He doesn't like the track. Be wearing my question. he's gonna run here before And i think he he might be the ones take party thing befalls shock. I'm soi the other great ones on wednesday. The brown advisory chafe used to be known as the ha monkfish again look dominant. Could have an amazing thing when they go to a bucket eater out every right. He looks at a dominant force. If you wanna play against in that race maybe the big break away to take to spend monkfish. Looks very exciting prospect. Go couple of next year and then the the pick rights. The young head was on on wednesday. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see brave man game for best here for paul nicholls. I think he might be better than the are. Shows is in that race but i The great one features of the ryanair chase the big championship intermediate steeplechase. I've a two and a half miles. Really look to it at five on the field that i am the oldest. I like his imperial or trade by kim bailey. Winner the festival last year. He'd be progressive. You had a little just off the christmas where he seems. Rather than the second fence that kenton out that was more of an aberration than any kind of weakness in jumping technique. And i think he'll be usual really well if he festival during that would be my pick. I think nine was right. He was very very disappointing in the race. Last year wedding fibrillation into factories. Here up. he's definitely the to be with the nine models. Come out last week On on friday on the go cups feature race on a massive about times Henry bromhead and rachel blackmore rachel. More could completely notable devil this week on the favorite in the champion hurdle honeysuckle. She's on the second cycle. Nicole cop absolutely todd. The idea that you have a female ride with the potential to have a champion. It'll go cup double at four or five years ago. Pretty much thinkable. But we've mentioned this. The first time definitely just come significant way in this regard and rachel a brilliant jockey and you should be second probably leading rider. The which derides i like her jump in the gold cup on flute obviously loved it. It was i think the extradition what he wants and a little bit of the groundwork public him either so he'd be my pick for that ray. The other big runs on friday short against the triumph hurdle for for your own young Down ahead percentage cool and in the our race only three miles from the vanilla. It was a through three to one shot and beat the biggest prices championship. He's looking hip hop this week. Run him again. the in the That's an iphone. Yeah absolutely. Because i'm i'm following along and making a little highlights on off the odds checker Pages and I e r the coming on friday His trading on the puck last week and he gave him quite a big shout and they're trying to nuclear doing. He's wanna chunky. Before he's not really that he wouldn't he wouldn't be a wild and it's got that kind of look at. It's a bit of a crap. Shoot this right but it's not. I don't think the front of the is massively strong. one really knows what's gonna win arrow hoses at progressing variable rate. Anything really happen. And i'm just looking at the market In the albert bartlett. And you've got basically five horses between nine to two and eight to one in the in the shops so indication. Yeah a lot of chill. Could you say this week They're they're really. The people were tokes out so the conservation of hit the opportunities. I i think that's going to be that that. I've always railed against that accusation for the riott. It got if you believe that to be the case. Then it's going to be exacerbated here. Because as i say people running horses unless they go they think. Got go. real shock Everything's a little bit more distilled so very thorough quite a few fatty skinny or gunshots. That would trying to make a case for getting but it's it what appear to be nick about Tomorrow i wanna ask you about the national hunt as well the The amateur writers the the novice race that has got a pretty. It's got a pretty good history of producing prices. Well yeah it is but again. It's a different race now. Because last year was the first year that the distance of energy running a four mile and that was a challenge the race but after a few issues a couple years ago with a really attritional race in which they were a lot of foreigners and it was kind of spectacle they decided to take with distance. Back down to three and three cools. Mild which you think okay. Well what coupla loans between friends. But he did i change. That was running it. Because they've done that it's a race novices. Anyways they want us equal before the beginning of the even though they could have been high cloth. Hudler i don't think the race rabbits arises no number of extra amish ride because i'm going compete to the gentleman festival this year because they are not classified elite sportspeople of the chemicals regulation. We'll be the freeway from the channel pencil restrict you to unpaid writers On now open to well now break five year everyday pros they do. Change the nature of the racist steadier And three miles six with professional. Riders is not the same as it's going to be nowhere near as attritional alright equality who is a bit better. Always the cub really now is the second division of the three mile novice chase but takes place on on wednesday it. There's really not that much in the discrepancy between the two so he's also become a slightly point in this race tomorrow rating. But i can tell you. I think i think the federal way. Nothing calvin win. He'd be laid out for the race here in october. They haven't they haven't deviated from not plan his dob one of three and a half mile chase so i started greasy jesse's okay On yeah i. I think he's i think he's like the the likely winner and any any idea for The race the proceeds that The bottles juvenile a looks like a bulky field and doesn't look like there's any you know stern favourite while at least if i say jenkins o'brien everyone talk you out. I think he. I think he might witness with buckles. He won the race. The fool As a trainer and i think he could win it again. I think it's also been elected. Quite light by the british handicapper. And i think he was carrying more weight than he's carrying out. Who can he was good in a grade. One behind caluzzi off last time. He's been second zanu here integrated race that both beating on friday. If you think marriage good government says they are that busselton handicapped tomorrow on. Had they put some headgear on them as well which i think out well other than that neck i mean it. Yeah i looking at That concert teesta In the mayor's hurdle looks like short price winner Yeah this is it. Well that comes to pieces by same. Sorry the naval from enough find the faneuil and the final who in addition to big fire but able showed himself to be an extremely spa. Saga felt classrooms. Joseph particularly cities And concept is the one the phillies novice race here last year by off the track and she's favor again all right talk. Here's the bucket. Suggested she was shortly. The i'd be looking to have a crack at. Because i think if few running for solid two years ago is interesting. She might one bit Let's see to have very best. I would say black. Tis is a is a mad. I think well here Jack kennedy jockey. Jack kennedy is gonna have a very good week and a black kid ran well here at cheltenham last year she. She's one of those a goal. Still right she wasn't very late but she's got the right man on to try and equity those tactics. Well it's you know it's been a favorite Undoubtedly for a certain certain. American players. As steve anderson and Is going to be particularly again disappointed not to be able to attend. I mean there's certain people sean clancy That go over every year so This is one of the top stands of of of any kind of of equine sport in the world. What's the coverage nick. Are you going to be able to bang out Podcasts the during the week. Yeah i mean. I arrived here at cheltenham. So things voting on it you know feels like tell them exactly the same kind of buffalo and you know tv crews and contracted and last minute. Preparations few jokes walking in the course you are show is out but unfortunately tomorrow's is gonna feel like the day before of feeling different. I i think this is gonna be the weirdest behind closed doors with at night You know i was a cop and you know. We know that. There were smattering people at that. I was aussie when they was actually nobody there and that with all this is gonna be stranger. I think one of the reasons it's going to be stranger because obviously when buying doors racing. I just grateful for the on now. New year of it. Wait part of the novelty wearing off and people definitely to get proper crowds back on a racetrack in this fixture more than any other anywhere. I'd be with the possible exception of the kentucky derby. He's just the crowd is everything you know. The crowd is the ever at every single. Pass here comes. The chill is here for the racing dedicated passionate vibrant loud crowd. You'd find just about anywhere on the rule that accompanies the horses when the tapes give out for the first race is a thing of racing folklore and will be very very odd really well. There's a natural anti seattle quality about the whole place all about the spectator and Yeah it will. It will feel strange though. The racing is very very good and for television audience. It'll it'll probably feel like hey well we're going to we're gonna take the feed and highlight some of the biggest events This week it's become one of our favorites too. And nick as always appreciate the opportunity to kick off cheltenham week with you. Yeah our nick luck. Everybody and not to be missed. And if you're not following. Nick rock on twitter i. I'd be very very surprised. And if you aren't go ahead and make sure you follow and nick scott is Monday through friday. You know typically about an hour a podcast and hitting all the ripped from today's headlines kind of coverage and certainly all week gentlemen. We'll talk after kenny. Mcpeek joins us can't wait. Oh bs and after kenny. We'll talk a little bit more and we'll get some tuesday wednesday Plays from the longshot. Latte himself cab humphry. Somebody else was going to be missing. Although he's you know he's living in singapore so it's not like it used to be for him Travel into the cheltenham. But we'll get kevin humphreys pushes for the first two days of them In a little bit after kenny mcpeek joins us and he joins us now candy. Congratulations swiss skydiver comes back And really kicks off the year in style. Yeah she some kind of special you know Real fortunate to be around in philly like that we've been having a fund with. You could tell you mike Bike welsh with each of her increasingly. Intense works you were. You were kind of battening down the hatch and you know you put her on a plane. It doesn't matter where you go with her. And you know this opportunity to kick off the year in a great one Pretty irresistible talk about What's gone on since november since the breeders cup little bit of a disappointment after the bad start but clearly that's You know one you put a line through you know. That was a little reluctant to start her out in the great one but she needed run against phillies and mayor. She's obviously out of conditions and There weren't any austin's in south florida and fortunately or we probably would have stayed there but but she Travels well and she's on her way back right now. Should be back to culturing by four. Five o'clock tonight and We'll get earn a little routine and figure out a plan. And how is she changed. If at all from november. Till now which i think is bigger and stronger which She was going need to be to get to the next level. but she's She's a really stout philly and We gave her a couple of months off last fall and the end of the winter and she's She's filled out and Still beautiful like a new copper penny or coach so healthy and knock words not what we can keep it that way. She continues to what. I call drill the feet of and Just makes our job really easy this opportunity and you know given the kind of campaign she had last year. Ten starts on the way to the championship and The five wins and competitive at at at the highest level of wins an american classic Wins at a mile and a quarter mile and three sixteenths what what kind of a campaign is is rattling around a when you and peter talk about the what you want to get done this year. Well obviously. We'd like to get to the breeders cup in the fall whether it's the distaff for the classic But you know we're we're we're taking them with a couple ideas You know royal ascot's reached out about possibility for coming there. We'll have ron. I'm running around the grass. So i don't really know although freeze on the grass before and she. She bullet work doing that. The you know that might be in the cards. Let's see but using do like we did last year. We'll let her tell us. And and We'll nominated a tall the right spots and when the races you know in her when she's writing ready and the racist there go and you know i. I suspect she'll be doing quite a bit of traveling this year to if all those clients. It's funny you bright. We just got of the phone with mick lock. You mentioned. Ask it and either. She's she's out of a johannesburg. Mayor daredevil himself was by more than ready So there's there's no shortage of you know of paper when it comes to the grass. Actually for her. I mean given you know given her success and and given your your Pension for up trying exciting ambitious things. i'm not entirely surprised to hear you're asking it offered up as a As a consideration. I mean i don't know it it'll have to all come together but right now you know. Is it a long shot that we go there probably You know ascot's run right ended and so that's another i guess you could say obstacle Because she's been going left-handed we've got her into a nicer to turn rhythm She's not affiliates I think she figured out real fast but I dunno same thing let. Let's see in see some fixing that. Reginald got some short term ideas right now will nominate her to the to the obvious ones the apple blossom and the letroy and figure out which one suits best. I'm already being fullback. Both outfits to go their way and we'll see well the potential the the potential for a an apple blossom early season showdown with you know monoploy more girl and more That I think that's got people I know it's got people talking. Because i was the one of the first things that came out Minutes after the beholder win. Yeah and We also like to to run against sheet. There's the devil again either. I think we. I think we have the better horse. Folks trip didn't unfold for us but You know so. All those matchups are great and It's a little early to figure out how it all falls in place but it could happen. Kenny given What i just mentioned you know what happened. and the discussions minutes after The the race. And i'm not one to look to stir up trouble and and controversy but Robbie alvarado with a kind of a thoughtless comment After the race yesterday when asked about about Going to the stick. I any reaction to what what really offer a number of of observers and fans. I didn't hear this obviously we were. We were You know at the races. I didn't watch these telecasts. So I can't say anything about that and i think robertson a good place right now He's obviously been heard a couple of times in the last couple of years and the things that happened in the past. I mean that's the past. He was he even. He would admit he was in a dysfunctional relationship. And there are a lot of people in this world. The getting those and You know when that happens obviously Something scott break and You know he went through that. And and i mean he's he's got a wonderful wife and two beautiful kids right now and he's occurs. I got his older kids. And there's plenty of people world that go through these things so I don't think There was any attention if it weren't for whatever he said hurt people's feelings. I mean some point. We've got to think okay enough of that and is it You know our people perfect of course not I'm not you're not. Obviously he's not so But listen he's a great talent on a horse Got a lot of confidence. When i put him on a horse. It gives me great feedback. He hasn't been rotting a lotta top horses lately. And and that's more of a reflection of his agent passed away years ago when he pike which was They were really good team. And i think he's had a hard time finding the right rhythm with the right agent and the right circumstances but when you put him on horseback knows what to do and He's just one of those cajun riders. That i mean i've always had so much luck with them over the years i wrote disarm. Oh key the solar had his own issues Look they're jockey. I mean they're not they're not politicians or not Expected to to have a certain high high standard of of whatever people expect and but but as far as the horseman There's not many better than having. He's one five thousand races. I mean what else can you say i appreciate. I appreciate addressing it Why absolutely needed to to mention at. Let's get back to the oval and there was certainly look forward to however the season continues on from the beholder win. Let's touch on a couple of others kenny. To before i ask you about the sale of the day Give us some thoughts about the the way. These airy unfolded. Well i think. I should have put a little stiffer work into her I think she she makes gets beat. What a link to length. Max and she got tired late and My staff report it back. Strength for buckle water and and Needed the race and she's Yeah believe me. It's a really good philly and you know for For whatever reason we've got to regroup. And like i said i think if i put a little stiffer work into. I think i might have got it gun with her. She didn't get the much and she is She's high level talent. You probably see in apple blossom or you may see her in the and the Laterally well and she you know make no mistake. She was chasing chasing the winner. She dares the devil and in fact I would think that if lotrowska had actually gotten past she dare the devil dante testing or would have been you know part of the part of the postscript well Like i said i. She's affiliated takes a little more finesse. Swiss godavari that she's She's a big lanky philly. And and i'm gonna say that i'm not quite as har- she doesn't take the works quite as well. I mean in the swiss the harder you work for the more sheets. The faster sheets strong ave tots more of affiliate needs spacing a little bit better sheriff spacing of her works She needs i in. Like i said i think i could have made a case worker one more time and i think i think i could've made up a couple of links with the race under belt but But we'll move on and and i think you'll see before the end of the year. She'll she'll put herself in the of the important events. Well you know it's interesting because the you know the the handicapped division is kind of A more fiqh right now and you know trying to find some definition but the phillies and mayors There's no question that there's there's i think they're the engine on the train when it comes to the older divisions right now yeah well not not been tagging. Try telling me the trust with its colts too so there yet but you never know maybe on paper the division she fits and we'll We'll see how it goes. A couple of things about the younger phillies to Let me slip in a question about crazy. Beautiful out of that. Dimona dale where You know the the the big price winner kind of Caught everybody flat-footed. That whole body meister but crazy beautiful was making up some ground late and Probably got a lot out of that issue gap down front in that group And we didn't feel like she was about eighty five percent ready for that race either still ran really well. I'm waiting to towards the beaumont with her I think that's a good next five for her I'm not gonna rule out some of these others on the gulf parco and the ashland. But i'm not convinced she wants to go quite that far. I think our best distances one turn and And you know it's a Hate the kind of pigeon all or like that. But i do think that's a better spot for so we'll see how that goes and the ashland's a little further and then i got simply ravishing which right now i'm planning planning on the Gulfstream park and it's a freaky talented phillies. She shown she's a little bit better than crazy. Beautiful at this stage and we've been kind of. We've had her on ice for a long time. But she's gonna she's gonna show him some really special stuff when she gets ready the which surrounding you know speaking of three year old fillies and you got a handful of them You tried you got aggressive. And i don't blame you with forever boss who broke the maiden and then up pop. That florida oaks opportunity. And you took a swing What what's your postscript to that. Well i i. I think anytime you get a philly. The breaks her maiden maiden special. Way whether it's a two year older three-year-old old. I think i think the the smart thing to do is hunt black tie because i mean they're not not one to sit around and worry about my percentages. I think that you gotta figure out how good they are. And the sooner you know the better Outside and tampa she got hung wide and wide both turns. She didn't get beat. I think she got beat. Six and a half or seven links And and she needs obviously be a better horse in that she was compromised. And her next starts likely gonna be the The burnett up a turf way. Which i think's another good spot which is synthetic and similar to grasp plays anyway but She's she's a nice fillion and she's done everything right and even read. That effort wasn't terrible. It could have been better but it could have been a lot worse to another three year. Old filly that i mentioned her name popped up I was Leave because Home bred that. Candy reid philly taber hall and Again took a while to break her maiden and then you took a shot in the honeybee feels like. She's going somewhere. That sally well. She didn't run well the honeybee. She backed up all over. I i ran over. There backed up a little bit. I'm not surface or shipping in or what but the The next spot with her probably never won two allowance rates keeneland and get her back in and a little easier spot and if she were to win that then then we'll get a little more ambitious but she's been really solid at philly Very professional and i like her too turns as well. She got a little tired race. It oakland well and coming up on saturday the fairgrounds oaks and got to ask you about The the worst that Is fairly new to the barn ran in the sun. Coast maloka and this is super speedy and ontario bread martin drexler Had her as a two year old and she had a nice season actually up at woodbine and Had dirk debut ran kind of evenly at tampa She's gonna come in and be a price on saturday in the fairgrounds. Oaks you the complete professional She's really easy to be around. I think she's on the improve. She's going to have to be because the race came up. Really tough deal but it looks like there's you know every everybody in there looks like they've they've run well recently And i do think it might be a key race for the kentucky oaks but she She does everything right and she's You know it's not. It's not a pedigree that that. I was familiar with when i got her. And she came in in great shape I don't. I'm not familiar with the trainer out of Out of canada but he he's done a good job with her and she's she's a classic philly and i think See her you know perhaps find her way in the mix And this is the key rate. We've got under percent ready. She's ready to fire a big shot. But like i said she's gonna find another gear to to know that she fits who kentucky oaks types il. Molo kyo in the fairground oaks and Brian hernandez junior aboard. We'll talk to tom. Amos in About an hour and change and tom involved as well with little footsie Pitcher philly and kenny. You're on your way to. Ob asked the first of the two year old in training sale season events and next two days Talk a little bit about You know your early thoughts here and Nobody you know. Nobody combs the isles and and Find some Finds bargains like you do. What are you looking toward Tomorrow and wednesday. Well i've got dominic brennan my main guy and helps run our babies and take care of her babies and silver the training center got there in ocala and he's doing some shortlist work and he's going to have some more for me to look at later today and tomorrow and I'm not a big two year old training guy. To be honest. I really liked the yearlings and You know a lot of these sources we've already seen and we'll have notes on from from last fall and I do have a couple of clients that want me to check things out. And i've got a budget and it's not a massive one but it's a modest one but We're going to see if we can pluck something out of their About about forever boss out of the sale up there she was she wouldn't expensive Out in the back barn but We'll We'll pick them and see if it come up with anything. I don't know that we need anymore. Young horses 'cause we bought pretty strong in the fall sales last year Let's see how it unfolds always enjoyed goma good place to press the flesh and circulate gotta ask about going back to the fall. You mentioned the yearling season Which of the which of the first crop stallions that. Have these new two year olds. Who were you tracking closely. Well i'm a big unified fan Bought six unified auction. I just thought that Yeah on very unusual to 'em alba's for whatever reason they gravitated to That stallion pretty impressive of the hippies putting on a horse in the balance you know he's candy reid line. I do think candy writes the next obvious. Line that that maybe Displaces tap it. Over time you know between gunrunners and obviously unified and khaindrava himself still plugging along Put a certain amount of speed in them. And i don't know if i call out cross because it really is mr prospector. Line but but it's You know he this sort unified pretty impressive interesting There's there's any number and we'll touch on Probably talk later with tom. Ventura to but I do want to check in with everybody. As the two year old season sale season gets going with a course gulfstream After this the end of the month following the the florida derby and One of the other stories Caddy of course You you and brad cox are pretty much responsible for daredevil. Making his way back to north america. I do see that the there's ford. They're devils in the sale. Yeah and i've got a few young ones coming in by him. So people have have decided to send me some of the some of the devil phillies know. It's hard to strike lightning twice in the same place so Back when i don and run every everybody wanted to send me all the jonah's It didn't always work out but anyway You know we'll do our best to for whatever comes in and it'd be interesting there daredevil lael ban. You know there's people that are optimistic that he's going to have a big shot although i think get a small crop. His last crop but Anytime you can find stallion or offspring before the market. So i bought one of the first tap stakes winners and before he hit i bought it for forty grand and and those kind of opportunities disappear when the when the and become popular and then all the everybody jumps on the bandwagon exactly well The daredevil story pretty amazing guy and You know the swiss skydiver her. She was really the the one that that got. The ball rolling and Again this weekend between her and she dares the devil devil Making making the mark and these two have it's an amazing story Usually usually kenny when they when they had overseas. They say they don't come back until they maybe retire as stallion. So this is This is a story that that'll right. Its own script. kennedy mcpeek. Good luck the next couple of days and Well done getting. Swiss skydiver often running a one or two. And pretty much you know. From a from a performance level evaluation picks up where she left off a three year old. all right. let me get back on the road. Appreciated kenny mcpeek. Everybody on his way to obese. We'll we'll get some other over. Yes conversation and later including probably thompson torah visit. Actually i haven't heard back from tom but usually it can get. He's out there walking the grounds We'll take let's take the time out here case okay and We'll come back. We'll get. Kev humphries in and we'll get cavs cheltenham pushes four tomorrow and wednesday. So you'll be halfway in. That will check back with him on wednesday for thursday and friday. The long shop lad Rich mcgrory has well to follow kev. And i mentioned tom. Amos probably reach for baffert In the last half hour as well talk about Haven't even discussed it yet. Concert tour basically. I joel rosario. To me was a big part of the difference because he he quarterhorse that out with concert tour in the rebel pan giroux kind of eased off and that may have been all. It took so concert tour. Moderate takes a eventually. I think paired up to say a percent the win with a ninety four buyer. It's going to have to have to keep a going to have to keep going hosur. Actually the other baffert that he told you about last week was going hosur got second but frankly he got. He got lucky to be second. Let's let's be frank. big lake. Caddo river was stopping in front of big lake and a cost big lake. Second so i. It seems to me that this was a race that we sort of had a certain at this patient for this. This this wasn't as splashy is as the potential seem to indicate but plenty of other nice performances. The talk about out of the the oaklawn. The other thing to talk about with the baffler to triple tap jane lyon gets her baby for feral sibling. Off to a solid start solid star. Let's take a break here. Come back kevin. Humphreys going to join us. Richmond laurean more breezy. With steve on sirius. Xm radio why in the past decade has real equine become the premier equine supplement company in the industry because we spend millions in research and development before we ever put out a product because we only fda supervised facilities to manufacture for us because what we say is in them is in them because they work. Because if you're not happy i'll give you your money back and because top trainers and veterinarians in thoroughbred racing standard bread racing three day eventing and barrel racing. 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Have our team take over your bookkeeping or continue to do yourself. Only monthly subscription check out our video tutorial on the dot com to get started for free or spills dot com toll. Free number. Eight hundred eight nine sirius. Xm presents at the raises with steve. Big horse racing handicapping interviews. This is steve. We're back about seven or eight minutes to the top of the hour. Rich mcclain oriole join us in just a little bit Part two of the cheltenham week visits. Come in now and Nick luck earlier. And now your man. The shot lad him self. I'm sure he's despondent over. I couldn't even if he was back in the uk. He could go to cheltenham this week. Anyway so maybe next year You can coordinate a a trip. Back and kev. Humphries joins us. And i think there's gonna be a little delay on the line so we'll we'll make it work cav doing good morning paper morning listeners. I was everything excellent excellent and looking forward to the next four days and as. I'm sure you are as well. This is This is one of your absolute favorite spots. i it's. It's really the the bread and butter of horse racing critically for for irish people. Even though it's it's a. I think you know everybody in artem certainly knows chums on this week People who don't have a huge interest in rating we'll have a few best on. We'll have an interest on in the indy racing. I'm pretty clear this year with took a strong line of from from the modern and the interest on. Yeah it's it's a it's a little disappointing. I won't be able to make the trek over. I think usually this time this time of day on monday. I'm i'm using air. Ready to florida. Flights birmingham with havens of voter Chelsea goers as well and it's used the us you have some great conversation with strangers talking about certain horse. They found the answer on there. You just you just really good atmosphere. I think as well you know on the monday before. Tell them you know no no opinion as to just like there's no he you you haven't gotten wrong just yet so everything. He could have to take everything on board and yet by by maybe by the clock on the tuesday. Some of your hopes and dreams. They've making for the. It's a great time in you know just like the final day before to before the big rural one twenty and uk time for supreme. Well and that kicks things off. We'll talk about the tuesday action and the wednesday and then on wednesday we'll reconnect and look at some results. Maybe listened to a race together. And then we'll handicapped thursday and friday and one of the themes that nick luck seemed to strike on cav was fairly fairly short odds favorites and some smallish fields that don't necessarily portend for. You know for big balloons. You're certainly going to still try to Either match up some prices with favorites or if there are some stabs the be had Let's talk about Tomorrow's card and run through the sequence and highlight Highlight you're likely winners. And the best prices to play with. Yeah yeah absolutely. I think i echo what nick mentioned like. I think when wendy entries came out. So we have forty eight hour declaration so I can say today's today's declaration for wednesday on them. Yeah i think as a lot of that novice rates is still score so six seven eight hundred fields but you know would appear favorite and i think in in uk ireland. A lot of a lot of bookmakers would offer feel especially those sixteen to raise even and trump should feel. They might offer extra places and that gives you maybe more incentives to find. Find your twenty two one or higher. That might just run into the places where you're struggling a little bit at a time to find them find a maybe a vulnerable baby. I think that just requires maybe a little bit more digging around maybe looking through the just like the right dynamics and so on to see. Is there any way impressive in.

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"Now back to sirius. Xm ports presents raises with steve. Big horse racing handicapping interviews. This is steve a very good monday race spans series to nineteen. Xm to one night sixty. Four you're listening to the series x online and then our websites depict dot com a important monday. Here we are. it's the twelfth. And we've got now less than three weeks to derby and oaks and all your points have been met it out and now there's just some decisions to be made in terms of who stays who goes. Who participates who waits maybe for preakness opportunity. And we'll go over this morning. Jay primm and actually early At that early our to jay's gonna visit we'll do the prep season wrapup on derby watch with jay and the watch now is on some orces like sainthood who appears to be from. All indication appears to be ready to participate for todd. Pletcher and windstar and ron bauer. Who seems to be more interested right now. In preakness so some of the horses down at the bottom of the list after two upsets one that instantly impacted the derby pecking order that with super stocks. Win the arkansas derby and one that becomes potentially impactful when we talk about king fury. Kenny mcpeek actually will join us. And i'm actually glad kenny was Was tied up. What two weeks ago after The crazy beautiful win. So i'm actually kind of glad the way it turned out that he couldn't join us then. And there's a bunch of things we can talk about with. Kenny including simply ravishing. Who is as we mentioned. The other day was retired after the ashland. Try but king fury's upset in the lexington. A quick twenty puts him at about twenty third on the list. And and you got the sense listening to candidate. They would certainly participate. If you know the the marginal line of of derby participation drops down the that far and of course superstock jumps in with one. Hundred points had nine going in so that puts him third the total list. And i'll give you a quick rundown essential quality of course going to be your derby favourite hot rod. Charlie sat and of course they'll be some decision making on the part. Joel rosario and ron anderson over the weekend results he would thought that if concert tour performed to certainly to the way he was bet An expectation that that might have been the the lean now. It's hard to believe they wouldn't give serious consideration. Dodd charlie but in ron's going to let the chips fall is plenty. Things happen here in the in the next ten to fourteen days. Superstock the amazing stories. Steve us the anderson steve. Asmussen will join us after kenny in this hour. And it's a wonderful family story with superstock. Who was really cleverly written by ricardo santana junior basically let that speed duel on. Fold front caddo river and concert tour. Know we talked about this and you know it's funny because it looked like cattle river was the one that was was under pressure and that concert tour was was rating comfortably. It looked like on the backstretch and then when they turned for home. You could see that they were gonna get swallowed up. The the way superstock kicked off the rail and ran them down easily and kettle rivers state on well enough to rest the placement away from concert tour so anyway. The decision making process will unfold Like the king and like the king hasn't gotten much conversation. We talked to wesley ward the other day last week but like the king working on turf i get the sense that there's maybe a decision pending with him even so we'll see known agenda. Of course all set pletcher in a rat rock your world set bourbon. Pletcher karsh sat medina spirit baffert johnny concert tour. He's got plenty of points sitting comfortably but going to have to regroup vafa called it a kind of a head scratcher. Is it a issue. I mean certainly you would think fitness wise. I it's a rarity. I not too often. The the baffert horses is going to go to an assignment. Like that and be you know under fit so that's got to be figured out a way. Burn of course heading for the belmont so he's tenth in points but cross him out midnight. Bourbon will get an update. He's kind of out of sight out of mind but the night bourbon. He's your tenth on the on the list. You know with me kind of keeping the the people leather the points under consideration but Even though they're taking a slot on the official leaderboard we know they're not running in terms of the mandolin. Talk the other day to brad cox seems like he's he's participating cattle river out of this the initial reaction from brad cox was preakness for him. So even though he's sitting what would be thirteenth probably not participating highly motivated. All set for chad helium. All set course off the tampa win. Panadol would be next fourteenth on my list and there's a decision pending this week. Having kirstein told me over the weekend that panadol not guaranteed to come there the initial reaction out of the uae. Derby performance was that he would for shadwell. But they'll make a decision this week soup and sandwich all sat and tyler kathleen got mount over the weekend for mrs weber. Marquette worked very nicely the other morning to what was that saturday morning soup and sandwich. i've got him. His fifty dynamic one sixteenth. Set for pletcher. I guess jose ortiz Sainthood i i i mean personally. I would think that you would take your time with him. But if the b.'s. What is third third career. Four th career start is a lot of those types of involved in this field proxy certainly gonna go onto other opportunities even though he would have enough points he can't see it Ron bauer as i said. It feels like the franken's leaning more toward preakness. We'll get more on that this week fact i wouldn't i'd like to get fr- atkins visit. They're having a lot of fun no matter what they're doing they're they're joined themselves. Then that would leave you right now with with the worst that i've got on the sideline meaning labor and cattle river of course crowded trade too. We should mention any breakfast. Proxy probably turf listening to him the other day with bay rob our if they pass. That would leave you with hidden stash dream shake and obi so as your eighteenth nineteenth and twentieth participants right now so there may be there may be you know if rahm our comes in obese. Osas twenty-one if panadol doesn't come they'll be sosa's twentieth so obese really is you know he is the anchor leg in this field right now. Then get her number hosur king fury hockey dad. Keep me in mind. Those are your next five. And then there's a few You know a few the stragglers that are you know have points but five deep of ease right now is fine so there you go. There's there's your snapshot i if you hadn't had a chance to kind of parse all that out Plenty to talk about certainly and the great ones over the weekend raging bull comes back. Chad had terrific weekend. And it's funny. It wins the great one maker's mark mile. But the horse that you feel like you wanna talk about is stage. Raider the justify and the lieutenant sibling for john. Gunther and gunther. I know excited is can be and stage writer. Terrific breaking the maiden ninety five buyer in fact to be honest with with some of the confounding results. When it comes to these past two weekends you fold in burbank and so forth rock. Your world flocking. Everybody's world came to the santa anita derby. You fold all this in the two. Three year olds that i think people were most excited about out of the weekend was stage. Raider and following see baffert's Maiden winner just three quarters but that's a nice run happy colt ninety seven buyer the winning breaking the main on saturday at oaklawn. Of course to at at keeneland on saturday which you kind of throws things into a bit of confusion. Lots of other lots of other fun things to talk about The great one topic. Julia foxtrot gets the elusive g. One in the jenny. Wiley on the on the front end for brad cox tyler gaffes leone and you one thing. I did not get a chance to do. I meant to do this on saturday. I'll talk about our saturday. A but i guess it was friday after the show and i don't even know what made me. I don't even know what made me think about it. But i looked up. I wanted to look up. I've occurred to me. I never looked up jenny wiley. Does anybody in a bunch of you're saying how do you not know the jenny wiley story. Holy cow for those of you. That haven't looked at i. I'm sure there's a movie or a documentary. That's been done about it. I i had no idea. No idea capture a horrific story. Horrible husband was first off trapping and and and the during daylight hours started was okay to leave her and the family Alone for the afternoon. the indian raiders. Come looking for retribution. Two for two that were killed earlier in the week or something and they got the wrong cabin. Unbelievable it's it's out of the searchers like lonesome dove meets the searchers. I blew doc i. I don't even know what to say i. If you haven't ever looked this up. I it's amazing. There's a state park the whole. I just don't even know what i've just curious. I thought jenny wiley. Nobody ever talking now. I know i. Nobody talks about the race. Why it's named after john wiley. Holy cow anyway. She ends up captive. The indians take her. They killed the children. The bunch of them. Like four of them i the thing is really and so they keep her for several years and then she then cheap is you know it was let out later and my god. It was new to me. I i i not to start your morning off with the you know with a scary storyline but boy look it up if you if you want if you want to know more julia dry. How about the ben ally silver dust and bret calhoun with two of his handicap horses. Silver dust wins that ben ally and i. There's always been a favorite of mine. And wha- what a tough tough tap it gelding and with his next decent score is going to be a millionaire and by my standards the by my standards the oaklawn mile. That may have been a lot of ways. That probably was the you know the the most exciting race of the day right. I mean that was that was terrific and just goes to show you. You don't need necessarily you know you don't you don't have to have the twelve horsfield every single every single race for excitement. Oh well that was a good size field but Raunchy and and by my standards and it's funny. When when they hit the wire the hit the wire i thought live. I thought ooh i think And i kind of needed rushie. I really kind of lead pretty heavily on rushie. And then when they when they hit the wires by my standards got him then when they showed it a couple times slow motion. I thought oh you know what maybe maybe he got it. Maybe you got the notion down but it was my standards gave sayas my source by my standards. Big win W- john sadler For those of you that are continuing to try to pretend the john. Salvator can't win outside california. Well you got beat again edge way edge way. really good in the carousel really good. That was that was a nice day racing at At oakland and they they called it. Seventeen thousand In terms of In terms of attendance nice The getting the breathing the life back into into the tracks. Really kinda fun Back to keeneland and you mentioned the maker's mark. The action on the action on friday was was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it. Wasn't focused as much on keeneland on on saturday But friday's racing particularly with the mile and With the the limestone early in that the limestone got carved up Choices kept coming out all morning and into the afternoon and finally left with a fairly you know went from a twelve thirteen spiel down. To how many seven and that toby's aren't toby's aren't for lunch the other sprint by the way the other turf sprint about michelle level michelle level does such a great job and change control and we re they ab- terms of value. You got every bit considering how many people you know we we a lot of us. Were kind of kind of looking for change. Your control as as a price option and ninety one thousand nine hundred eighty with kobe hernandez aboard so The part of the the keeneland action. I think yeah that hit the that had the three the stakes highlights from the weekend plenty of other performances to talk about but right now kennedy. Mcpeek joins us. So we're going to focus on kenny's scores over the last couple of weeks and kenny. Good morning congratulations. Good morning kenny. Let's start with saturday then. We'll work our way backwards Toward crazy beautiful. And the king fury this is. This is one of those performances. After the fact you think you know what this is a horse probably should have looked at a little bit more closely as some thoughts about how this came off. I think in hindsight. I should run him in the breeders cup last fall. We had a bit of aggressive program within the horse. It's really solid Nothing went right on breeders cup day and i think that's often you boil a bit for his last year but we turned him out for six days after that Gave a little bit of a break to fill out grow up and He arrived a little a little Distal bone bruising which is nothing major but he In my mind this past weekend he was two to one No big gambler. But when i seen the one. I was laughing like this is crazy doc. It'd be less third day and He's training that well and parts of last workout was a little bit No let's say. The riders messed up there. They were too slow on and he was supposed to go in a minute and then went one three. Which train usually makes us crazy when they make those kinds of mistakes but he didn't need a lot and and obviously iran big. I mean it's always go churchill to. We're wondering if we got a chance to get in control so we'll sit back and wait and see what happens. You're not bad shape actually. I went over this morning right now with with the horses. I have been tracking. That probably aren't going to participate in derby your third On the on the ellis right now. Using obese osas twentieth. And so you'd be twenty-third right now. Well you know the way burns. Going to the belmont it sure felt like brad cox Was leaning preakness with caddo river. Crowded trade is going. Preakness proxy certainly not running and The friedkin seemed to be leaning toward preakness with rahm bauer. And we're going to hear from panadol this week Whether they're coming shad well. And i don't know if there's any guarantee that sainthood i guess. elliott walden told Told churchill that right now. They're a go with saint hood. But i to me. It seemed like they'd be better off. You know horse like that You know taking your time but anyway they might participate. So you know you're not in bad shape we'll see control so we're not too much and I work schedule's not gonna change even if he goes to the pregnant so we'll say don plowing crier and people. Would you having a couple of things for starters. We had fun on. I think it was with marty on friday a kenny. If i've ever seen a horse start their career with six straight races at a mile sixteen Well you know we. We got him We knew the distant source so we waited till the fall. Two year old year but You know he. He wins first time out here which we expected. The won't call. The coincidence. Could be whatever you off. The mother. One seven eight so well. Yes privately. If i tried that but but i think habitable off kenny. I'm losing you a little bit Audio the kind of faded in and out there for a second whereas my dog. He's in the office here. He's he's all anxious in shelby. Background is just the value your volume just sort of faded away for a minute and and then came back up. You mentioned the damn the dam of course taras who was a very good seven eighths Mayor exactly you know. She had had a bunch of talent and You know it's between curling and her they both had sprinter's speed if you needed it and this is a beautiful or spear around. It's the most expensive horse i've ever bought at auction for client. Well there was a bit of pressure on me so You know this. This point seconds right direction. I'm looking forward to the travers that summer. He's ideal for that. Well you got plenty of. You've got plenty of opportunity between now and then let me ask you this. If it looks like you can't get in to to derby. would you just wait for preakness opportunity or would you even think about something like the day mile. Is that worth considering. No we won't run in the pet day. We'll we'll wait for the pregnancy. We don't draw very good. And you know you mentioned purchase. He was saratoga. Your nine hundred and fifty thousand and bred by the family and This is three chimneys and fern circle and And has really you mentioned the breeder the after the breeders cup and and then the kentucky jockey club when you put the blinkers on. You took blinkers off and ken your numbers when you mean when you play around with blinkers Coming into this over the last eighteen months. Two for five when you take blinkers off. So it's something that you do with purpose. actually. I never tell you. Believe a good horse really needs mommy. Trained enough graded winners. And i think you'll look at most of them don't have lingers on Good horse can look another horse. The i pretty easily and say okay. Gotcha but But anyway yeah. We're rare we the us and they don't work out with jumping my back all the time. Well this. this was This was a nice performance and got some pace to run into Brian hernandez junior. Who is jay is going to be with us later. jay is always singing the praises of Of ryan. and how you know how savvy he is judging pace and and moving at the right time and such and king. Fury comes away with a lexington win. And you've you know you've used this race you've used this race a number of times right. This is Who else is have you come to this with somebody else in your vestment. Okay and i was second in with golden ticket and That's another run in it. I think but But yeah senior. Investment was also fun circle horses well and We opted to wait for the preakness with him and he was begging for you. turn third. that will still punching around now and winning winning it Think allowance level. And i think he's one small stake here their sense but But this is a lot better. this is another. This is a lot better. Horse and senior investment was going into the lexington years ago and i said to mr van and you need to watch today because we can win this race again and if he does it's gonna maybe take the bigger better things and Chris it off and eighteen ones was around. I loved it a new. A new stake winner for colon And actually. Now he won now. He won the new We can call it a new great at stake winner because because the street sense she has street. Cents is is listed Going back to last year but now a stake winner at at two and three and plenty plenty ahead For king fury. Coming out of this kenny. Let's talk a couple of other Stay on the weekend for a minute before we dial back toward crazy. Beautiful 's oaks win and you had the had that fighting cb win. I want to mention that and Came close with front street in the maiden race As well i ran into obviously a what looks to be a f- a major a major horse When it comes to The the justifying sibling. But it doesn't look like that one doesn't look like Front street will be made law. She's good solid philly. Yeah she was getting into the of being you get to. We've had to gear down a little bit About robbie road really well that day. Because she's she's wanting to go to the front and then quit which is a really bad habit for me to to watch and we're we're Trying to get her so she'd rates a little bit and and Get a better habit of sitting behind horses and then making a run. And i do think she wants to run longer this so She still got a bright future. She good solid silly. Peter galley and greg backer partners on her well and i mentioned the runaway winner. But it was. It was the friday runaway winner. Not saturday was The motte caramel. Swirl that was the resounding witter upfront. I had a front street. Exactly kenny. Let's slip in really the only probably the only frustration disappointment in the last couple of weeks Going back to the ashland last week and simply ravishing explain to everybody what transpired. well She she developed a breathing problem over the winter and You know it's not something that we felt something we can't fix in the short run We're not going to try to force that and didn't wanna get into any surgeries along layoffs and we decided to retire It's unfortunate and i think she's a freaky talented philly You know she's legua. She's perfectly sound but she's not going to be able to compete at one hundred percent at the highest level and she's already won a grade one so we done our job in that sense we only gave fifty grand forks a yearling and her kalemie and i say this i wouldn't. I nominated the derby. Did i did the derby. Nam and Because i thought i could win another preakness quarter I'll be honest. She could look she can looking very in the any point her on a fast day But you know those things happen so It's a it's a fragile game and sometimes things don't go the way you want and we're having to you know. Make a decision where she's going to be bred the independence. Just we are Work the deal actually signed contracts now and Going to proceed with that and likelihood is it. If we don't keepers abreu will we will offer up in the fall Here in kentucky. Wow simply ravishing and i saw where the last week afterward The there were there. Were few major names. being considered As as a breeding partner and The lay abandoned daughter will very nice. And it's a good problem you know for mr. She's she's got every bit of potential broodmare and there was this notion she was lame after i. It's completely untrue. She's perfect sound and she's You know look. We're going to do the right thing and said trying to fix the problem that we felt like was slim to nil to resolve that you know she. She'll make a great broodmare and she's beautiful philly. She looks like raffi. And i mean she's just gorgeous so Let's see if we can go out win the thing with crazy beautiful exactly well knowing knowing herald learners Good fortune and luck Shall either shall either bring seven figures in the sale or she'll she'll breed A series of courses one or the other. Yeah she got a big change to be great. I love it. Let's talk about crazy beautiful. I'm glad as it turns out that we didn't connect after the gulfstream. I always want to call it. The florida oaks. But it's the florida a tampa Crazy beautiful and she was just loaded. Keti it something tells me you had the same mindset going into that as you did. Apparently with king fury going into saturday. Yeah you know she I thought she was bur- brilliantly ridden by jose ortiz and he got her to settle back and and get nice geared. This really had a couple of races where she had some excuses to when the pace Or the traffic She should won the pocahontas. But nothing went right Sharon okay in the breeders cup. But she she was running behind some horses that and she was hitting herself We actually figured out that. Her high suspensory is at the end of the season. Were bugging her and so we rested her as well. Kind of the similar to king fury. She got a couple of months off host Her two year old year and I think it's made a big difference. I mean she trained like a beast this morning at churchill and i think she's got move up and speed figures and run a bit a little bigger number than she's shown us but i think she's up forward and especially jose times arrived like he did in florida. I think she's affiliated. That definitely has an outside chance in the oaks. Nice and you know in terms of just gonna pull up in fact Let's take a look. She worked she worked on saturday. Half a mile and So we got Looking at the schedule you got Boy the two more two more works syria work next week and then something easy the week after. She's pretty fit philly right now. Got her down to work and saturday. I'm not sure if i'll even worker company She's doing everything right. And the and there's simpson pound and honor to heart. She's she's gonna she's gonna fire big shot she's Shook it to to maintenance breezes going into the oaks and and we're also very nice Liam's map Philly out of udine charlie. Mayor indian burn Originally bred by mrs vogel and this was you you gave. You gave real money for to fifty. Yeah destroy my reputation between king fury. That's true that's not true. That indian burn was was a horse that john hurt ler trained for for mrs velgo for cross sabres and the always always a easy too easy to say nice things and and shine a light on john earlier for sure. Well kenny. I tell you all things considered you heading toward heading toward the The big weekend in nice shape You mentioned winning another preakness with the back of your mind. How about a swift skydiver update. Yeah oh could be a. She had another nice breeze here at churchill this weekend and she was scheduled to ship on tuesday. Tomorrow to arkansas. We're gonna push today and this is. This is a real big rice exciting We're you know just to go down. There was a big gun. And we're gonna hukou hukou horns and another big It's going to be You know maybe Maybe a classic of its own so So we'll see we've also got the philly on bataan nominated for that race down there And there's not a we haven't ruled out entering her for for the apple blossom as well. simple also nominated to the to the latrine. So how level high level Problems talking well and of course what. What's on the horizon For apple blossom. Is you know the confrontation with monoploy girl. And terms of terms of early season. You know early season high profile matchups that this is about as good as you're gonna get it in april no doubt i mean it probably can lead to a short field too but But yeah it's exciting. We're looking for all all these runners keeping a stable built up and having these kind of horses as it's harder than you certainly have to have to to handle some average sources to get to these kind and we're fortunate. We got a good basic clientele that that understands the web and flow ups and downs on the peaks and valleys and punches. In the mouth. You get to get here so it's all good. Let me ask you about The that ontario bread that you tried in louisiana derby that -ill mellow ko. And of course with things right now. Up in the air and ontario What's your what's your game plan with him. House he come out of that. And what are you looking at water. Clarify milwaukee philly and yes. She ran in the oaks down there. Fairgrounds oaks and we disappointed in iran. We really really thought she run a lot better but we will take her to. She's gonna run into never want to allow straight the keeneland On the twenty first. I believe it is and that's a really really good spot next spot for her she's Good solid philly and she. She broke her maiden stake race. So she's eligible for the number one two and we're Getting her teed up for all that nice And and then i mentioned earlier when I think on thursday fighting. Cb on thursday allowance win and nothing. Nothing energetic for early for early week at Caitlyn no well okay. Couple things fighting syria. I'm gonna tell you. This horse was had a really really unlucky. Three year old season He had stress fractures. Cain about and we had to stop on the yet it issues recovering from that which cost him his whole three zero. Three year olds run. I think this is a great one winner. Three year old if he hadn't had those issues And then he had some trouble trips and this wrong and that went wrong and but An exciting back on forum A lovely horse to be around and and someone front and we'll we'll get him sort of out and i think you'll see that he's He's gonna be horse. It's gonna gonna do some damage who will probably gonna pointing towards the low handicap or maybe maybe just three other than next time. And i got crafty daddy going next weekend in elk horn. He was just coming off a third of the turf classic. And that's of course we're going to try to mile and a half he's a scat daddy and For the mac ands lucky seven and they've got a really good group young horses coming up for that matter. We've got got a probably probably much depth in the two year old this year than i've ever had in my career. I've had a pretty deft my so so So it'd be interesting The new training center has been Soberly tills and summerfield. Florida has been a big asset huge asset and dominik brandon. The team getting young horses. Ready down there and you'll see them start done cork Probably in the summer of the fall. We're not we're not Four and a half five five and a half furlong outfit. So we'll see it's going to be great year outstanding. Wow kennedy Wins the lexington and Geared up for the apple blossom This weekend at oaklawn as the racing festival south continues plenty of other plenty of other sources at all levels and There's a chance kennedy. Talking to the next monday as well and when i do i'll be at churchill. We start the. We start before night at the downs on on monday. it's crazy. How fast things of have flown this. Turn and here. We are while we're going to my wife. And i are going to get our covert shots right. Excellent good deal One time or or you got multi you gotta for whatever reason we wherever we were. We couldn't get them and we're just not getting ready to go get that taken care of which we're gonna get the johnson and johnson's fingers crossed out because well there you go. So what time only nice back there you go. The kennedy make everybody and you can follow any On twitter and the big the big the big horse Swiss skydiver coming back against monoploy girl and looking forward looking forward to the the dry though. I wonder if they're going to draw early. I'll check with hammer on that. might right. they've been. They seemingly been drawing the tuesdays for for saturday hammer. If you're listening let me know where to stay right out thanksgiving. I didn't know you were still there. Can't mcpeek everybody Ah utah we'll We'll we'll see kenny soon and You know what if if if skydiver winds will get them. Live next monday at Churchill we'll stay right here. I'm going to talk to steve. Steve asmussen next about Really one of the nicest one of the nicest family stories you could imagine. Given the superstock. And steve's father and erv woolsey and of course this was the horse that That son keith. The road last fall through this was this was a was a family affair right as they say. So we'll get steven here and plenty of plenty of actually got quite a bit For steve as well but superstock really cleverly handled by ricardo santana. Junior coming out of the rebel. Second off the layoff others there. There's this again. Like king fury that. This was one of those things where you say to yourself. You know this is a horse that you could've you could've found your way to or you know played in i mean i played them as as a c. and i actually structure structurally. I made a couple couple of goofy decisions. I thought well and Fact casey's trying to reach steve. So i got a moment here to talk about the weekend and it was a little distracted to be honest on On friday into saturday as well You saw what. I put up on on twitter. The the philly volta region had her baby. Eleven o'clock on friday night and saturday morning. We jumped in the car and headed down to to see The coke and they'd have a colt. We didn't know we were we were we. Were in the dark as to whether it was a boy or girl and Absolutely gorgeous call that. She's a first time first time. Damn and sometimes yeah you were little There's all kinds of reasons to worry. And the fact that she was over three weeks late. That really has to be honest. A little bit on edge. And you know it's not unusual just but it seemed to be dragging and the good part of it is you know she. She dropped a of good sized baby And he's an uncle. A motown not uncle mo motown so big. Thanks to you know. The team had at coolmore. America ashford and Laret of his asia and and his staff. Hadn't i've been by the for many times Rock ridge. But i had not really seen everything and you got to spend an hour on saturday morning. It's also got to see Got to see carlisle bell. Who's getting ready to be covered. Maybe the end of this week and she retired so the end the last year. So we've got both the mayor's down there but this was it's always exciting and the that's so much fun to you. You see the you see the way that the baby and the mom and the way they interact and you can tell how how proud The the mayor is she did great. Apparently you know you you you know you. Sometimes you know. Sometimes the they they they'll freak out a little bit and they don't they don't necessarily take to it immediately but but she did. And that works cited so It's got looks like he's got a little bit of white autumn She's got she's got a big blaze and there might be a little. That might be a little bit of light and they will say you gotta give it a few days a week or two before the some of the definition You get but Thanks to everybody down at at rock ridge Did a tremendous Just a a big thrill. It's a bit just a a wonderful feeling and You know anybody anybody that's anybody that's gone through. It knows what it feels like. And if you haven't you should make it casey he was on a case he was on the phone. He just texted me steve again. All right yeah he just. He said that. I couldn't he couldn't get off the phone so steve will be ready for now. All right so we'll get We'll get steve. Asmussen on the heels of superstock. Arkansas derby win. I was actually curious now. Because i was there for. I was there for creators for creators. arkansas derby and of course that was very different coming from the clouds. This one this one a little bit more you know in touch with the field and that that was thanks to santana's santana's very clever ride. Steve asmussen joins us On the heels of saturday's arkansas derby win the dialed in colt for erv woolsey. And the for steve's father keith. And this was very much family story. And steve congratulations to everybody. Thank you very much. Thank you the the going even back to last year when we talked about this horse when when keith wrote him to victory in the in the thirty in the texas few thirty It's gotta be. It's just this has been a special horse obviously for everybody from day one. It's you can't even make theft. Horseracing can allow something like this This many positive emotion know the you could tell your father to. I mean who's been through his hands and had and had a hand in countless nice horses. And and mr woolsey imagine but you can just tell that this is different to win at this level You know as as as an owner and with you know with you and with keith. Having ridden him it just It's a feel good all the way around absolutely you know we've been extremely blessed to have Crazy successes in this game and then like what could possibly make it better. How 'bout keith. My son winning. You know the namesake of my father winning winning a steak on the call or what could be better is the math. You know bombing that seventy nine years old to straight across the race track at oaklawn park and with the grade. One win and the arkansas derby. It's just a gift that keeps on giving talk about the horse Himself and your your approach to this. He came back with his three year. Old debut in the rebel and iran fairly evenly beaten half a dozen against the most of the same here concert tour and and hose your for instance and And of course big lake who gets unfortunately sidelined Maybe we can circle back but he obviously took a step forward and this also was engineered with a great ride. I mean talk about the approach and and how this unfolded well. I mean it's an amazing story Superstock there's so many elements for there are erv woolsey and my dad. Purchase the sources the euro. A seventy thousand dollars yearling tailor-made He was actually entered in the two year old texas in training sale which was canceled because of the pandemic. So you're probably looking at a nice little off it on a on a talented instead of the arkansas derby winner but for the pandemic and if not for the pandemic in school going online keith is not in the physical position Key my son off to ride this horse and then for that I remember vividly the night of him. Winning the sales security and Just how exciting it was for me and julie and the whole family and mom and dad. We were talking about how you know. This is our story. This is mom and dad's bit players in it. You know this moment for them and then you know. The cult stepped up from that regional race. To run a very solid solid race in the street thence churchill and then i thought a very game third in the breeders paternity behind the eventual two year old champion and got his first points in the leading up to the after that pointing towards the kentucky jockey club. He worked probably thirteen days out before the race in spectacular fashion. And i'm thinking. I'm i'm about to win the kentucky jockey club from my parents and that was a second set of the day and walking off the track for the fourth set of the day there. He is running loose through the barn area in that. The great you know what is your angrier moments and then he gets time off for sliding on the road and then sells out and develop into their source. This this horse at the whole story of course is phenomenal. love it. he's dialed in He's out of a closing argument Mayor kind of florida family family and and I'll discuss that. With the with. Sid on wednesday the the breeding side of things But drew inside which set up. You know a ground saving stalking type of a trip and then you have to be thrilled when you saw the two favorites sparring right balance when the overnight came out and you saw who was where it was you know and what had happened in the rebel. And i thought you've mentioned it. The the beginning of this How ricardo of took advantage of it and the competency have the horse. He used his post position extremely well going into the first turn and he earned the trip that he got solid fraction Behind the obvious two choices in the race but you know he probably goes forty seven flat sub forty seven first half mile and stayed on well at the wire and you know his running. The rebel was very strong considering how much time he had missed and where we were at with the worst physically. He encountered a little bit of traffic in the rebel. Which i think he. Which benefiting for the arkansas derby because it kept him from overdoing it knocking out. Well then then it's obviously A case of a of a plan and all the things that go into three-year-old development I know that people are looking at the fig and so forth steve and and saying it's kind of moderate But for him. It was a clear step forward. And if there's another forward move in him at churchill he can be a player must start You know you know many times when it doesn't go your way you just say that it wasn't your day so this this story right now feels like if he's back at of course. Well i i won't even i'm not even going to lay the framework out because of course you're on the short list of of of worse than that You know when people come to derby and when you know. The derby field assembles every year. They talk about You having a derby with your name on it out there and and You know they'll romans and others and that be i. I can't even it's it's too. It's too good of a story to you. Know to take it all the way. Yeah to take it all the way to that level. Absolutely we're we're we're extremely fortunate and blessed to be in the position to experience what we did on saturday. I just you know. Mom and dad. The be there. Julie there eric you know. My mother-in-law systems block it was it was such a warm and happy experience that you know just a true blessing in every sense of the word you know We're in the position. You talking to me. All of that is just an extension of you. Know my mom and dad and who they are as people enforcement and they've allowed to. All of this happened well it Plenty more plenty more Stories to right obviously and Not you know. Not that he's going to be your only derby chance either the evening let's Let's also figure in as we survey some other results as well Midnight bourbon update ria. And we we need to say we are excited about derby week with having clairiere poulains pearl for stonestreet for friday and the oh and you know midnight bourbon and the super stocks for saturday and the derby so obviously were very excited. Shed row at this point And expecting great things to happen. And you mentioned. Pauline perot didn't talk after the fantasy but the fantasy win and I referenced big lake You know it's interesting steve. Too because coming out of Rebel if felt like he was the horse that really projected toward this race. That could be a real danger for so for you to win anyway with you. Know with superstock That's a story in itself. Give everybody an update on big lake. Because he's obviously as future as you mentioned big like you know very good numbers both to turn races at fairground Going into the rebel You you you know the contact that he made with the tiring couto river on that day and then you know to come out of the race with a crack the cannon bone obviously very disappointing to be off the road at that stage but it is something he will recover from one hundred percent or big. You know beautiful individual with just a great disposition He'll be a good patient. He'll come back stronger and better than ever on the thing. That's very exciting. About big lake is is accomplished as has been on the dirt. Everything about who he is. Ms pedigree suggested that undecided on the turks. I and probably what four months give or take as much time as he possibly needs. You know. he's a horse. That has talent level that we need to keep around for quite some time. Got to mention a couple of other non performers as well steve because one performance on allowance performance that i thought when a little bit maybe under the radar you know given given the stakes over the weekend that mighty mischief Looks like a horse with upside yet. Is you know just another extremely fast force for the heidelberg does but Will he is a hydro type for strong strong straightforward and very willing and in very exciting horse. His last two runs both been visually impressive and he is an exciting horse looking at some of the shorter three year old and the rest of the year. He's a home bred to write for. Yeah he's a home bred for the highly. Bronx well boy The sprinters the sprinters in that jacket. something justice magical about the the orange star bill. They'll like speed. He can find his when he talked. Generate love it and by the way speaking of speaking of of their horses to You you ran. You ran that happy. Mac won't be won't be a maiden much longer as seasonal debut. You ran into obviously a really good horse in that following see So it was actually a pair of ron. Happy's one to win that race. Absolutely yeah we re run in the main race that rubbed faster than last year. Breeders cup winner and runner up all the space. What happened there though. It meant like you mentioned the but happy. Max very talented horse. That i think he'll stretch out nicely as well. I wanna also slip in from the carousel. And and you know i can very quietly casual. Those were those were too heavy heads. She was facing but that was a nice third that she picked up and that balance horse racing You know we're we're talking today about superstock in the set up that he got that allowed him to win new york and derby in the race unfolding is exactly how you envision have and i thought. The carousel for casual was exactly the opposite. The race did not set up as we anticipated. And we were not in the right spot to take advantage of how well she actually ran well and of course for hillen dale johnson secure and the team and couple of other quick notes. Steve i wanna slip in the going back to the bayshore. Last weekend Ah a lot of people noticed. How well whiskey double ran. And that's obviously a horse who's going to get some some more black type at a high level It's the pocket buddy. You know No falter jose's at all. Just the way the race set up and meals for him wants to get shook loose and finish up in the last eight the way that he did it seventy he. Did you know we have a very happy with how he came out of the race. Went ahead nominated into the pat they mile and moved into churchill. And he actually has. I grease over the race track today. And he a culprit broke his maiden in a very solid time last year over the churchill service. That may be a very good option. Nice i wanted to ask to about the the The wind the other day By arm candy at a big price and the one thing that jumped at me afterward was this was the second time. She is run big or two best races now. Have been keeneland and Maybe i i wish i had seen that before the race. It came as unique. Course i think you know we've handicapping wise follow horses. That have had success over chemo and be expected again and You know. I do believe that to the truck. The one thing that may be better than matt is whole run at kentucky. Downs might actually have been her best run making her first time start. Yeah i with an with an eye. On how much money we get to run for their. I am anxious to get another opportunity to take back to kentucky. Down nice can also feature Should mention because we talked about it going into last weekend that field. I know it's not a you know a great at stake in such Just listed but the field that abrogate beat in the purple martin. That was a good group. Steve and it was a you know a rich race and of course willful. women A win as well for the leib longs. What's next for particularly for abrogate what Spoke with you. Know alex After abrogates win Very talented filly. Glad to see your turn the tables on them and the purple line. You know two hundred thousand dollars three year old sprint race. Oklahoma put up. Put up the money even if they won't give them the grave and you get quality When you run those kind of purses and the she's moved to churchill as well and his nominated the bell very nice and also under the radar. I do want to note that on thursday. Because i i asked mary ramp pollini the other day when we went over the count fleet. I asked If she knew what was going on with bold door and next thing you know he shows up in the entries he he is actually stakes winner on the turf and for money. Very first of all horses. Just always fun to run. Hoist the air kema. That has a good chance. And he's putting together a solid year but I love the versatility of above handling surfaces and anxious for his racist week. Nice and Regular listeners when they hear you on race day like this very frequently. I'll ask about something. People can go to the windows on and you got a pair at delta this afternoon anything anything to say about sag harbor or walkers quest sag harbor's in a spot to win Nice per nice purse delta for him today in expect him to win. Walkers quest is the horse that got some ability But not the experience. Sag harbor does at this point and we have a couple of others later on the card that are going to have say the outcome. I like the way you put that Moon levens in the sixth year mono maker The japanese bred isn't the seventh and janis. Bobby janis vob. that sounds. I think everybody heard that and Let me say steve. Let me just roll down. Tell me about Coming up as well back again trying to break the maiden in in keelan this week The time have the filled out and develop. I got a little bit of a hurry with him last year. for bloom racing as well as bertha morton's and gave him a little bit of a break in his last run at the fairground on louisiana derby day was a very strong run and i expect him to run really well this week. Team outstanding stave That's plenty and A special weekend at arkansas. Derby another one in the books. And congratulations the oaks. Derby weekend going to be very special and keep everybody healthy. Happy and we'll see see in the downs. Sounds good thank you not at all. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/5/20--Guest Steve Anderson

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/5/20--Guest Steve Anderson

"Maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the Jason Beam. Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason. Be Good Tuesday morning. Y'All welcome into the Jason being horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires happy to be with you here on this. Tuesday may the fifth and broadcasting from a new location. I'm I'm out of town this week. Sort of our family has little beach house up in near Peninsula Washington. And so I'm up here. I just. I've been staring at my same four walls for seven weeks and I thought well I'll get some groceries at my local grocery store here and then I'll go just camp out in the cabinet and take walks and sit in the cabin all day and just get some different four walls to look at and it's kind of Nice to be up here. It's very quiet up here. I usually come up. Quit a couple times a year to here and Have done many shows from here. I actually I was up here would have been oh man. January of seventeen or maybe it was eight. I think it was eighteen. January of eighteen ahead a My heart had a when it out of rhythm like an Arrhythmia whatever. I had an episode of that up here and I'd never had that happened before and knock on wood haven't had it happened since but I was. I remember I was like what the heck's going on. I think I could feel this butterfly sensation kind of in my chest but it was like there was no pain or anything but me. I like flipped out and thought I was dying and turns out all they had to do with zapped me once and and that reversed course but I've been up here a couple of times since then. I was scared to come back the first time one of my i. I've been open about my anxiety. Struggles on the show many times If you're a new listener in one of the things that I learned in my battles against anxiety is that you start associating places with bad events especially bad past anxiety events you go to the grocery store and you have a panic attack. You don't go back to that grocery store because you get nervous. You think it's going to happen again and normally when you think that it leads you to make that happen again. It's it's kind of a weird little Catch twenty two. Is that what it is but I really learned that if I have a bad episode of any kind of anxiety anywhere I need to kind of go right back to that place and go back and do it and experience it and for me. Flying was the thing I invoke avoided forever. Like nineteen years eighteen years and Finally went did that last year. Hoping to do that again sometime but not anytime soon with the the covert thing. I don't think I don't think airplanes are in my future. I do have to drive cross country in a couple of months over Virginia provided everything is going right and well it to colonial looking forward to head back there on the road but Yeah we are. I was one of the things I talked about with our guest today. Steve Anderson WHO's the voice of Fodder Park was Nebraska's one of the states? I haven't hit yet so I told them Mos- If I if I ever can make it through there then I gotta go check out the Fawn and looking forward to talking to Steve. We've all been hearing in for the last couple of weeks. I WanNa talk to him about the experience of of Colin races. At you know at suddenly AH attract. It's getting millions of dollars of handle at how that experience has been for him and for fodder Just a little bit about his background and very much looking forward to the conversation. I had a technological booboo with tomorrow's guest. Kenny mcpeek so we have the interview with Kenny. And it was cut short because our CA. I don't know if it was a connection issue. It was it was something on my end because he was saying that he could hear me. Fine and it just seemed like the signal would kind of drop out or it was like getting intercepted. Because like there's there's there'll be like little five second blips where you'll hear a lady talking or something. It's really weird but I mean I restarted my computer. I called him back. I restarted skype. I call them back so we did about ten minutes of the interview. And there's a couple little parts where it kind of drops out but it's not really it's like for two seconds so it's not that big of a deal but it just kept getting worse and worse and you know trainers have seven day a week jobs. An Kenny was already being very gracious with his time. Dealing with my stuff. So I just told mckinney will We'll we'll finish this again some other time. I said I'm so sorry about the issues but I will air what we have of that interview tomorrow. Like I said it's probably about ten minutes Most of the good stuff we talked about with Swiss skydiver and And kind of her efforts her development her plan so will we will publish that tomorrow. like I said. It'll be a little bit abbreviated I it was. I've been really fortunate again. Knock on wood with the show is far as technological difficulties. We had one interview way back win with Michelle you that I. I hadn't updated the recording software so everything. Michelle said sounded normal and everything I said sounded like Alvin and the chipmunks. I think it's on this show today. You know but times a hundred and other than that Pretty Lucky. Like one of my. I always I throughout an interview all constantly. Check to make sure the recorder's going and sound is going through. Because I just I hate the idea of doing an interview. Not Having it get recorded but I just want to give you a little heads up on that. I will do. Another one of my favourite race Episodes tomorrow addition to Kenny mcpeek interview. So it'll be a little two parter show but just a shortened interview with With Kenny sow and then as I mentioned a tow the track Phantom GonNa join us on Thursday for Horse Player. Thursday in our buddies and the jury will be here Friday for the preview of the weekend. The quiet weekend seems like each day. Now we're getting more and more news of things that are reopening Monmouth announce their stake schedule Churchill. Release Their Condition Book and stakes schedule. I think a lot of tracks because of the Because of of Cova nineteen and a and a lot of the ones with alternative gaming revenue. I think purcell probably dip at most of those places You know we're Kinda ripe for a little bit of a revolution here on about twenty different levels right. I mean societal racing sports whatever and I'm curious to see if there will be any event in racing. I'M NOT HOLDING OUT HOPE BUT I. I hope this has been a a wake-up I have to think that the people in charge no the reliance on alternative gaming enter. Just okay with it and because you know if this thing has us anything. It's that racing needs to get back to self sufficiency or at least close the gap. Like it's one thing to to race with purses that are a little over. The you know that are mostly funded by gambling as opposed to all funded by gaming there was. There's some states I saw. Oh crunch on twitter posted. There was some tracks that paid out more than their handle was. I think it was in New Mexico where some of them were. But you know the tracks are only keeping a single digit amount of total handle because of all the off track money in so whether or not the the way that tracks charged for their signals gets changed. I would hope that this whole thing has been a little bit of a look in the mirror thing not just for for us as people. Everybody I've talked to in my personal life. You know has said that. This is affected them in a personal way somehow. They're they're going to appreciate more. They're GONNA do this more whatever and I hope that there's some self reflection In horse racing of of you know kind of where we're at how were funded. How we get the sports generate more money how we can do all of that stuff so I'm I'm pretty hopeless that that'll happen. I just but but I hope you know I mean I also carry a little glimmer of hope that maybe something will go. That will improve that but Yeah as I said. Monmouth announced the stakes. Sounds like the Haskell's they're going to go through with a million dollar race and Their push back. I think their opener to July third is when they've pushed back but they're going to run thirty five stakes events it sounds like the UN and the Haskell are going to be part of the same card this year on July the eighteenth And they're going to be down to thirty seven days. I think was what I saw in the press. Release for a Said a PL- they tracked said it's planning to race through September twenty seventh With the Yeah. Thirty seven day meat so they were. I think they would fifty six last year or something. And then that's not counting obviously the TURF cards at meadowlands. Remember it was. It was talked about that. They might actually run some dirt cards up there and I know that meadowlands harness was looking at possibly shifting their season around because of that. But I don't know if that's going to To change because of all of course that's happened I would think that it would. I would think they probably wouldn't go through with that. I think the hardest folks if they've already not had racing for however many months you know of course New Jersey and New York been hit with this worse than most places and so you know the time line of them getting back going could be a little bit further away but we shall see again. It just seems like each day now. We're getting news of we know when things are opening. Churchill announced that they are going to they announce their stakes races. I think the person's they said five hundred and sixty thousand a day Which I'm guessing is down a little bit The meat is just going to be twenty six days long so they're still going to end right around the same time. I believe they were going to end before. Because the Ellis Park gets going. I'm sure they WANNA get going as well They usually start shortly after. Churchill ends and then Obviously into Kentucky downs of the Churchill September meat and where that leaves Keeneland for a potential summer. Meet We don't know but the Matt Win will kick off the steak schedule not first weekend but second weekend. Great Three Event and then The the seasonal feature. I guess for the spring will be the Stephen Foster in the flirt elite card which is closing night that will also have the regret and the Bashford Manor for the The two year olds will also be part of the closing day festivities at At Churchill down so A shortened spring meet and obviously a derby spring meet but will lead up to a big September meet of course with the Kentucky. Derby slated to go the first Saturday in September. It's still weird to say but you know we're getting used to. It's a the the world is just different. That's just kind of how it's going to be for the while. Well let's take a short time out. And when we come back Steve Anderson GONNA join us from Fodder Park. We'll talk all about the fawn. We'll talk about Steve's career in the booth and outside of the booth and more here on a Tuesday edition of Jason Horse Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. 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You all right back here on the Jason. Beam horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires and pleased to welcome in our next guest has been the voice of fodder park racing for most of the century fodder currently racing. Monday through Wednesday for the remainder of the month. Thrilled to welcome Steve Anderson to the show. Steve how'RE YOU TERRIFIC JASON? It's amazing how Paths Cross and this certainly wasn't on my radar screen as recently as even yesterday but it's a pleasure. Thank you for the invite. Yeah I always love getting to talk with announcers particularly guys. I haven't gotten to meet yet. I mean it's kind of one of my things is to go travel to racetracks and I was. I was talking to a friend literally yesterday. We were talking about just our travels general and I have six states. I have to hit and Nebraska's one that I still have eluded me thus far. Well now you have a reason to come out since since we've theoretically hit the big time Nobody knew who found park was as recently as six weeks ago. And I've I've heard that analogy made by literally hundreds of people and We certainly have created a lot of curiosity amongst through bread race fans and I think that down the road Some of them were GonNA follow through and pay us a visit here in central Nebraska. Yeah I mean it's it's such a strange round of circumstances that kind of led to this. I'M GONNA have to imagine this has been for for a lot of reasons has been a finer season like no other. That's an understatement. This is my seventeenth year of calling the races. It's on our park. I was born and raised in Grand Island. It's a ton of about sixty thousand people Yeah the chain of events that led to what has transpired since March sixteenth We haven't had enough time to really just sit back and let it all soak in and I. It seems like everything is change day by day But it's it. It's a lemon situation that I give all the credits who general manager Chris CA- to lack of turning it into lemonade and the chain of events again that have transpired at this moment Were not even fathomable as recently as six weeks ago and we take at one day at a time I The threat of being shut down has has really never ever gone away. Grant Island is considered a hot spot with his corona virus pandemic We've got a meat packing plant where there's been a huge outbreak over the last couple of weeks Food processing plant. That's also a big part of this community so even though Nebraska's trying to slowly open up the economy as early as tomorrow and Lincoln and Omaha that is not the case out here in the Tri Cities Area Grant Allen Hastings and Kearney so the fact that we're still running coupled with all of that it's it's it's a miracle absolutely so the typical honor season goes February through kind of early. May and and you guys. In general I think is the case with a lot of Benesova small tracts but kind of maybe smaller community tracks. You're very very reliant. On the Amtrak crowded you guys have kind of a good on-track crowd following normally right. We found a niche that Was No accident and this is our sixty seven consecutive year jason of having wine thorough. Brace live thoroughbred horse racing fodder park a lot of people. Think you know. We need to move this season back to a warmer times of the year. Make it more comfortable for the horsemen. But the fact of the matter is our community in our areas so egg related that we have found time. I if we get a break in the weather because we do start used to start in the middle of February and always close on Kentucky Derby Day of Being able to attract our primary customers which are farmers ranchers That haven't been able to get into the field yet and plant and and the calving season and all that stuff so clear down the road and they've been the backbone to Racing for years and years and years we. I've always equated Fonterra racine as being like a big red football Sunday as Saturday and Lincoln And then on Saturdays at finer par we sell out. We've sold out for years. Sixty five hundred people would be the average turn out Even the big tracks outside of Oakland Park These are numbers. That are you know from my experience or literally unheard of anymore and Mr Catoon lack who Took over a year ago as the general manager. Here he brought in One Saturday during the two thousand nineteen season here at fodder The camel ostrich racing on a Sunday. No less and we we hit fifteen thousand people but showed up it was you had to be heard. Absolutely Mujib. What your eyes were showing. You was incredible so the interest is always been here. The time of the year works for us. There is a minimum competition amongst other tracks. That aren't going to open up until spring weather's really kicked in so we get knocked around by. Mother Nature from time to time and lose a day or lose a weekend But over the course of time and this this is the place you want to be. The I if even if you're not a race fan I it's a social kind of a hangout party. Time and the word is spread. We just wish some of the politicians in the state of Lincoln Omaha with venture out here on a Saturday afternoon and really get a taste of what horse racing and the public the the the relationship that we have out here because we failed repeatedly to get expanded gambling That would certainly pump the life back into our breeding industry and raise purchases. But I admire the people that are involved with horse racing here in Nebraska Jason. Because they just do not with. They've tied on for years and years of survive when others have failed miserably. And and I don't see that attitude changing in the near future. I'm glad that you brought up in Nebraska because I was curious about just kind of the state of racing in Nebraska in terms of the circuit. I think I was kind of naive to think that fodder was kind of the main game in town and then there wasn't much else but there are a number of other tracks Both kinda medium size and small that kind of make up for an entire circuit right. Well it it's not like the good old days which were as recent as maybe six to eight years ago Prior to state for Parking Lincoln closing down and moving the state for out to honor partner. Last we've certainly benefited by that facility. Syllabi and the campus. We have out here in Grand Island with all the brand new state fair buildings and a sixty five hundred seat events center is it's just it's phenomenal but At one time when exorbitant was running and they folded up In the late eighties Early nineties I guess it was. We had a real strong circuit. Ranaldo and was is always let off They went to EXURBAN and ran there for three and a half months and they would go to Lincoln and or Columbus at at at various points along the way. South Sioux City. Have a track called advocate Part Jefferson was running on the in on the on the South Dakota side of the border up there simultaneously as well and Racing was was huge back. Then it is. It's evolved into the closing of its. Arben the horsemen Build a little boutique facility. It's a tremendous simulcast facility in south Omaha called horsemen spar. They put a six furlong race track on there. But they don't have the barnes to or the land to develop as a full fledge race track like honor. Park is so we had started with like three days of horsemen spark expanded a couple of years ago to nine financially. That didn't work. They were cutting back to like seven this year and they've been forced to totally cancel so founder park again benefiting by that was branded an extra twelve bays To run through the end to make our season was actually up on the last day of April so the circuit as we used to know it has has diminished and is just hanging on by a thread. Columbus still runs about eleven to fifteen days although their future is suspect Lincoln has a little simulcast facility and they're in the process of building a seven furlong dirt track with no grandstands. No Barnes no paddock. No nothing to go with it. All of this has been postponed down the road for another year. So the future is iffy The spirit is still there to try to keep this thing intact And so the semblance of a circuit would continue to exist and farmer parks become the The focal point of the of the whole thing working and and another phenomenon of the arrival Chris. Ca- to lack is that he has been a great ambassador to all the other race tracks. I I've worked for all of them over the course of these last seventeen years. The relationships have been strained at times. Not Unusual for our industry is. It's tough forget any two tracks to agree on anything and the horsemen. Were always in the middle of this as well. So Chris has has mended the fences so to speak brought all the facets and all the sides together and is really the sole reason that we've been able to pull this thing off Because in with previous management that gave me an opportunity and always be indebted to them. I don't think this could have ever happened. It's so interesting about the schedule and stuff and I always talk about horse players. We need to be Nimble. We need to be adapt ready to adapt for change and stuff like that and you guys just getting the extra month I think is such a good thing for bettors and I mean just for racing fans because a lot of these tracks are going to start popping back up. It seems like at least as of now at the end of. May or the last couple of weeks of May early June You guys are kind of able to really really fill a void because the next two weeks I think are going to be the slowest in terms of of racing with oaklawn dropping off and Tampa only go into three days. And so you know this is this is GonNa be the dead period of in terms of more tracks running and so. I think it's great that you guys are kind of able to fill that void for a little while. It's almost it almost happened by accident Jason. you know. The the Mayor Grant Island pulled the plug on Farner part back on March sixteenth. A Monday I did get canceled. I forgot about that. Yeah in four days time Mr Couture lack got together with the powers that be with the HP PA and the Racing Commission the State and Suddenly we're back on board close to the public and we're GONNA try Monday Tuesday and Wednesday. What we didn't foresee coming was that Chris with his background with TV. Gee had been talking with these people as well wondering if you know they were In in need of of extra programming on these days and if they would pick up our signal well the fact of the matter is they were only if we were willing to pay them orange and so has recently just hours before that following Monday when we we switched to the new format So on so forth. Now we had Tur- Paradise Closing Sam Houston Racetrack. Close Sunland Park closed and now TV G. calls us the day that we're going to go on the air and said we need programming and we would love to have you on board and the rest is history. I'll never forget the first race of that first day that we ran on a Monday. And I'm sitting up there Just minutes before the first race and I'm looking at the money in the mutual pools and Danny coggin junior who charts the racist for equity base is right around the corner from me and I yelled over to him and I said even there's only one other race track in the country going on and that's will rogers downs down in Tulsa Oklahoma. And we've only got three or four thousand dollars in the wind full. It isn't GonNa make any different standing. They just don't care about Nebraska racing so the race goes off and it's over and I don't give give it another thought Mr Kagaoan goes over to pick up the mutual Sheets that he gets that he has to incorporate into his charts the sense to equity base and he walks by and he says oh by the way they bet two hundred and seventy thousand in that first which one which would be more than like a Friday or Sunday. A good day for us on the Saturday would be four to five hundred thousand dollars and when the day was over we were right about two million dollars in the pool By the end of the second week We had we had a four point one million dollar pool and a pick five jackpot and we went to seven point. Two million. I mean these figures their stunning. They still are to me to this day. I mean there're lightbulbs on that total zetter board out in the Infield at Fonterra Park that had never ever been used in all the years that have been sitting out there and they found out that a number of them are are. They didn't work so it's been kind of confusing for the track announcer. But I mean so. This whole thing is is just taken on a life of its own. it defies explanation and And we've been able to match will rogers downs. Who conceivably I mean. There are three times across the board or more what ours are. The quality of horses are double. And triple I mean. We run a lot of twenty five hundred dollars. Claimer is going to happen. All all the things that you would think that the average handicapper and especially the astute handicapped or would have no interest in when in fact it's been just the opposite. We filled a huge void that exists out there and the timing looks to be right to with all the other major venues slowly. Coming back on board There we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get out about the right time at the end of. May you mentioned the pools get bigger. Hit some good fortune to call some tracks with bigger handle last couple years. And there's some days at Gulfstream. I turn around. There's seven or eight hundred thousand in every race and part of part of that. Is You realize there's a lot more eyeballs watching. The did the did the nurse creep in for you at all at some of those those jackpot days where everybody's honor. Yeah I get occasional Tax from presbytery lag. He says You know there's millions of people watching now. Don't mess up. You know I guess when all you do is Talk Jason and and and my role here I do everything from Paddock preview shows before each and every race. We go down. I do a five minute Overview and and try to offer a few tidbits for the handicappers. If in fact they're listening in the Post Parade Nicole the race. And you know I mean once you start talking you just kind of forget about the fact that there's been anybody out there listening But now but that has changed. There's no question about it. I I felt like the though Wicked witch of the West and the wizard of Oz movie. I was MEL team by the Third Day. Literally on the spot the more. I tried to make that perfect race. Call the worst guy. You know so I guess I failed in that regard. I I'm not your typical Race caller and the fact that I've I've just borrowed from every racetrack announcer that I've ever met new or listen to and piece things together. That kind of come out a little crazy at times to latte things. Some of it sounds a little foolish but I'd always told him. I grew up on the backside with family. That bred raised in race horses and and And later on Went to the track to get away from my troubles away from business. I like to have fun when I go to the racetrack. So my I think my race call kind of reflects that and so there's a lot of New Year's out there listening and I got more positive feedback than negative and and it bothers me a little bit when I see some of the stuff come out on social media and I'm I'm old school in that regard. I don't tweet but I certainly know enough to get on facebook and and I get. I get a little sensitive about all that stuff but I also know that you know whether they're saying good things about you or bad things about you It's when they quit talking about you that you really need to be concerned so I try to use that as a platform to just kind of maintain a steady Eddie. Go of it and just trying to get to the end of the Of the goal line here which Be another four weeks at the track Steve Anderson joining us here on the Jason Horseracing podcast. How'd You I get the job at Fonterra? How did it come about well I was? I got a degree in broadcast journalism at the University of Nebraska. With the with the goal of being the next Harry Carey I wanted to be a a a radio play by play guy but I also wanted to go to the University of Nebraska I didn't have any ANYBO- one in my family That ever had a college degree. My Dad Roy wasn't really keen on the idea of leaving me when I graduated from high school. Leaving the business and Moving elsewhere and doing other things because I think he kind of felt like I'd never come home but my mother was just the other way around. She encouraged me every step of the way I did everything but become a radio Baseball PLAY BY PLAY GUY. I ended up getting into TV I I worked locally as a sports director at two local television stations over the course of six or seven years Got Married had a family and realized that I couldn't make enough money to put food on the table. Let alone Raise my kids the way I had the good fortune. I'm so I got out of the business and came home. I actually own and operate a roller skating rink and a beautiful outdoor eighteen hole miniature golf course believe it or not when I came home Sunday racing was a big issue back in the early eighties. Jason and the Blue Laws were in big time affect accuracy BRASSICA. Meaning that unless you were essential. Business like I grocery store or gas station. You couldn't open up on Sundays and the racetrack was the same way I was involved with a Sri Palm Club A civic club here in town and I was in charge of programming so I went out to her one day. 'cause I was I was a long time. Good customer season ticket holder the whole yards and I talked to general manager into coming in To give a seminar or program over a lunch meal on the pros and cons of Sunday racing What I took him back to the track name was Hugh Minor who eventually hired me twenty three years later. I said you know. I don't know if I can tolerate but economist broadcasting a little bit and I said if you're ever in a situation where you wanted to make a change because A guy by the name of Dean Williams is the father of a jockey. Rv Williams's in the brass thoroughbred racing hall of fame. He'd been calling the racist and charting the races. For over. Thirty years funner. Well this miners head just felt his lap and he said you aren't going to believe this. He said I just had a kid. Come in from Omaha yesterday with the woollen sack. Reel to reel tape recorder. He's been recording races in the grandstanded exorbitant and his name is Chris Ca- to laugh and he said we hired him on the spot. Twenty three years went by after that I never gave it another thought I I was heavily influenced by Terry Wallis during his run at Serb and And so every chance we could get. We could could pick him up on the radio here. Hearing on the falstaff racing at work he was. You know that passion just he flamed it. It became greater and greater one day out of the blue. I'm fifty years old and track management calls me and wants me to come in and clock? I figured I'd probably popped up and said something negative that was going to get me in trouble and they offered me the job and I'd never called a race before in my life. I certainly but they were more interested in the other things that I brought to the table. I I wrote a weekly column for the newspaper. I I I've done. A lot of radio shows They weren't podcast back. Then you know I was way ahead of my time. There was no. Espn radio TV. Anything when I came out of college but I had all this training and they thought they could incorporate into a new face a new voice for fun or park which I couldn't afford to say no I didn't know how I was going to be able to work it out with the family business but I did and the rest is history and in in in along the way now. I'm the marketing manager at Fonterra Parker's well they need something else now. Sixty seven and I working year round. I do all the radio. Tv newspaper Advertising I had to give a few things up as a result of that so I don't write anymore but so that's how it happened and my race crawling is still a work in progress By the time I get up to the crow's nest and call the first race especially with our four o'clock starting time now During this transition got like nine hour day in and I'm I'm I'm starting to think about retirement quite frankly and I know I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I gotta be up there with the deans at least age wise the dean of race collars whoever that might be at this point in time but I never dreamed that ever get paid to go to the race track and I certainly feel like. I'm one of the luckiest guys in the world. As a result of it. Why love to hear that Robert Geller? Who woodbine had previously done sunlit at Emerald? He told me one time. He said his favorite thing about announcing races was that it was a craft and that he got to work on it each day and he knew he was never going to have perfect race. Call but you know it was. It was something if he felt like he got a little better over a period of time. Which which I've always taken to heart because you know here guys you know after two years. They're Kinda I'm thinking I'm ready for this. I'm like dude. It's a law. It's a long game man. It's IT'S A long game Steve. I really appreciate you coming on and like I said we've we've all been introduced to fodder into you and so it's neat to get to to hear some stories and the put more of the personality with the voice well and the feeling is mutual. I I stumbled onto your race. Call must have been last summer early fall. I love your style. I immediately was attracted to it. Seems like it's almost effortless on your end which is anything but very much and I admire that that there's so many great race callers out there and the only good news about it is they're not lined up to take my job. They're just not that many out there that that are even interested in honing their craft but No this was enjoyable. I will do and I'd seen pictures of you and you strike me as a guy that I'd love to hang out with at the race track and fact I are you a character in the movie. Let it ride because I swear to God without even talking to you you strike me as being one of those Kinda guys. Well yeah very I would fit in well. I think I was about three when that movie came out but I I would certainly fit in. Well I hope to make Nebraska my travels and hope to stop by and see you guys one of these days but best of luck with the rest of the meat and will will chat again sometime terrific. I enjoyed every second of it. Jason Thank you Steve Anderson. Joining us here on the program. We'll be right back after shorthand Madison horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. The Jason Burst Bracing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires is your home for daily thoroughbred horseracing conversation. Join host Jason Being has. He discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires dot com or on Itunes squeaker stitcher or wherever? You get your podcast from the Jason Beam Horse Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. This is the Jason Beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires my thanks to Steve Anderson for joining us really appreciate him taking some time always fun to meet a fellow race car. I can put myself back in. I used to whenever I would talk to answer I would I would save. Could talk to fellow race. Call them like every call the race in three or four years. I don't think I'm a race collymore but since I did last year and I'm I'm back at the fraternity I. They gave me my badge back and I can. I can say we now are trying to think After I talked to Steve I I feel like I've talked to at this point of very big majority of the fellow race collars. I've never talked to John Embryo Al. I've emailed with him once but I've never met him Td Thornton I've never met again. Emailed with Bobby Newman. I've called and talked to on the phone. Yeah I think Robert Fox. I've never met the voice of turf. Paradise never met Robert Fox but I mean that list is not very long of Of other guys that I at least haven't talked on the phone or something like that. So appreciate Steve. Coming on and love getting to hear from him and hear stories about racing in Nebraska which has been a key. Part of this This little period in racing history so very glad we gotta have that conversation again tomorrow. We'll have Kenny mcpeek on asterisk sort of and I will do another addition of races. I Love I love. I think it's I I. I spent literally four seconds. Assigning a title to that but always I look forward to your guys emails. You can email me. Jason Charles Beam at g mail DOT COM if you have questions comments things you'd like me to discuss whether it be horse player. Thursday stuff whether it be Racing staff whether it be life stuff any of it. I try to get back to you. Jason Charles Beam at G MAIL DOT COM. Thanks again Steve Anderson. Thank you to you guys. And we will see back for a Wednesday edition of the program right here. Same Bat Channel Seen Bat Location J. B. H. R. P. brought to you by the US.

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Episode 81: Preakness Recap, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Queen Elizabeth Cup

Racing Rundown: A Horse Racing Podcast

1:09:44 hr | 10 months ago

Episode 81: Preakness Recap, Jockey Club Gold Cup, Queen Elizabeth Cup

"And welcome back to episode number eighty one here on racing run and we got a lot of stuff to unpack from last week and a lot of results go over as well as talking about. preakness outcomes and everything like that. Lot of raises from last week, and so we're going to start right off the bat with getting into The first of what was a very robust PIMLICO stage card. Unfortunately, we're not going to be able to do a two year old segment this year, but I'm sure Eric has had some things to say over on twitter about two year olds but. Unfortunately due to time we'RE GONNA have to skip that but we'll get right into the first race which was the Selima stakes at Pimlico and this was an angle that both of us had we talked about the other Chad angle with this race both of us were kind of admittedly surprised that fluffy socks went off as high as she did seeing that she was coming out of good race. In her most recent start but came through the win pretty much like we expected her to do. So look very good in in the matter by two and a quarter lengths just an example of how you know you got the other Chad Angle is one of the best angles to go with in horse racing and that proved it right here. Definitely? I mean she was very impressive. It was a nice win. She sat in probably the most impressive thing was he said, you know second last last down throughout most the race pretty close leave but still far far back. Off really slow pace in for her to still win the way she did up the rails very nice ride by Trevor McCarthy to full credit to him there and yeah, it was a I mean a fourteen dollar winner for Chad. Brown is not something. You see every day especially in states companies. So that was definitely a nice a nice a nice little pickup there for both of us invincible a great raisin second I need that these two phillies are those top two genuinely are you know juvenile turf level? Phillies I'd love to see fluffy socks. They're definitely thinks you'll probably point they're visible Gal. Stowaway, as you may have not love the deter of course on a date. So it was kind of saw. So but she had a couple excuses but I think they're both very, very talented phillies. And getting into race number two on this card for the galleria stakes which was won by. Juliette. Foxtrot I think the concern that definitely Eric had this concern. I picked Juliette advice shop at the concerned with her going into this race. was you know she hadn't been able to put together a when she's been putting together good races but hadn't been able to string together the wind but definitely looked like the dropping class helped her got the job done here won by a length. You know. We know that you lied. Foxtrot has been really consistent throughout her career may breeders cups on the horizon she didn't go last year but you know she's a horse. It definitely seems like she belongs there the question of which he be able to get it done obviously remains to be seen. She Obviously throughout her. Career her big wins coming you know. Long long ago she'd been facing the toughest toughness decision as late, and that's why she hasn't been able to pick up the win. So but it was not just your you know find your company in particular a very nice win. I mean, she's very talented but we certainly, she certainly had to prove that you can read this division but this was a nice win. This is a right company for her I think at this point and a very, very nice for rain karenna really huge second. She closed very well she didn't other one that's always been very consistent even as a two year old Not always the one on top Julia is a very good mayor she he she runs a race every time. It's just a question of if she's you know does on the day and she never really is, but she was here and I imagine even if it's not for your stuff, we could see your ship out to raise the matriarch dome are down the road and upper have tried to get a grade one win they're. Moving onto race fi, the grade three miss preakness, and this is the first win in a while for the winter. The last year wicked whisper hadn't hasn't really looked like this year she did run second Charlestown oaks it is worth mentioning but her to efforts following that present win the Breeder's cup juvenile fillies and the Beaumont. Both of those were less than stellar races did run a good second like I mentioned in that Charleston Classic and you know this was obviously Her first win since that I came back and probably obviously the best she's looked since then you know I don't really think in terms of the rest of this division probably is going to be looking at some of the better horses from this division considering the fact that one of the top female sprinters is mean in her crop and you know she's just never really shown that kind of talent but good for her to get back in the winning ways. At the end of the day was just her getting back into form. You go back to last year's breeders tell his kids chic. She won't really fast and to turns out her her AMMO. So sprinting has helped. Beaumont was a tough race a red really well in the Charlestown oaks last now, and then obviously here finally gets her first one of the year. That was a nice. Nice win. Certainly the wicked whisper we'd seen before when she was last year. As her disappointed for sure from Monday call I think the big mistake was trying to trying to raise her. She was third early on in this Deville you. Inter win to starts ago in the audio at Ellis she you know when super-quick early on in unless you went fast able to sustain and she certainly seems like one that needs elite that's back to back really disappointing efforts from from affiliate who at one point was really a series spears counseling nurse. Should pointing to the ratio, but definitely, not the case anymore in runner eight allow us. Last Horse I have to touch on a really good race on the front end just got partly by wicked whisper but she's another one. I think as long as you're not facing means a means that this division you'll you'll you'll be able to pick up some big wins and big places like she did today and moving on to race six dinner played a horse who has been really consistent throughout the entire year factor that's hasn't hasn't gotten a grade one win this year, which is why he may be a little bit down low when it comes to breeders, Cup in. Deciding champions of this kind of division but factor this has been in so many races throughout the years had. Is only loss was the second in the Turf Classic on Kentucky Derby Weekend where digital lazy only track he seems to be able to run at Churchill downs digital age beat him on that day. But getting back to factor this, he's just been so good this year another example of just a nice performance for him good run for second from some like it hot brown didn't like some like hot browns last race but I thought he could bounce back here. Definitely did that though the one thing with factor this and I think we've expressed his concern throughout the year is. He's one of those horses that isn't necessarily the mile may not be his best, but the my he may not be able to go the mile and a half. So he's kind of one of those horses that stuck in the middle when it comes to breeders. Cup but you know what he's done this year has been really good. You'd have keeps. This great great reliable despite easer. talented. Of course, you know championships or whatever but e e one hundred percent has been the most consistent dominant reports and seen as year. We really nice to see yet another big win year someone hop around. Take the nobody was really thrown off her you know that that played. In his race was really thrown up last dating of the excuses. So's next as the bounce back from that that core effort in the turf classic and then. embry here and live racing third. Well beaten. Are. Knocking. Horse WHO's always been? He's been around for whatever it seems like forever forever he's he's still running these huge raises, but faculties uses so good easily I mean it's hard not to root for I. Mean I'm a big fan I can't imagine as a person who doesn't like this horse because he just so much fun to watch fund watch horse be consists especially division that lacks any consistency. And getting onto race eight, the other two year old grassroots from this week in the world futurity key sticking with Mike Maker. Mike Maker had a really good weekend gets a win here with Catman. This race that featured some disappointing runs from some of the favorites in this race Nautilus and fire hidden enemy also didn't really look that good in here but you know credit to the Winter Eric did have a following scratches. This was the Horsey did default following that so good play from him on that weekend. But just another example of Mike Maker can do a lot of damage with the horses in this division. I mean twenty welling. Nautilus was just you know he's kind of. Really good on paper in all honesty. African. Especially after the scratch McFadden was good ride and she said off a really slow pace he's really to to to to use that his advantage. Probably the biggest reason those those big big names. Mission in enemy were so old bet weren't able to fire because they just kinda got load to sleep and then obviously Adnan, barely held on seemed like I was GONNA. was done a run down. asser caveat might maker just. Obviously talk more about him later in what he did this weekend. But as he does, he know he spotted horses in the best decision and I gets the job done and usually involves a really good ride and that's what that's what cabinet got here. Very nice win and hopefully I imagine we'll see him in the Breeders Cup. Soon, don't know if you're your real contender and a tough division, but he'll be there nonetheless. And moving onto the black eyed Susan stakes Miss Marissa was a winner. Butts I. WanNa touch on a which I thought was a very good run in second from Bonnie south she had a lot of traffic to overcome was tenth that was ten down the backside didn't really look like she was in any position to close and she close really well in the race. Obviously, you've got to give the credit to miss. Marissa she's up pretty close to the entire race was a really good position when they turned for home but that's that was my take away from that race. You know I'm not gonNA say the body South maybe was the best horse on the day but I was very impressed with her second-place effort because it looked like she was really didn't really have anything that she could have made up turning for home. And all high but missile because that was another one I had not every day you have to Doug Dole do jog. One is especially in tough stakes. Race like isn't she savage provide hoax who's GonNa sit? They went really fast to be there her amusing bogue like I really love used as my top two. They went fast and I was a little worried but teach she outlasted fractions and that's that's all you need it the day. So definitely did benefit from you know Bonnie southbound having the nicest trip, which is also way too far back I mean there's if if she's a couple of links closer, it's not gonNA hinder her at all and she wins this race by a length or too. But that's horseracing at the end of the day to best tripoint usually. Just resited, get that soap very nice. Win from her Bonnie South, that was a good second nonetheless, and then underneath even hopeful growth lobos read really strong racists given their circumstances of going forward. Don't really know how to. This is a rich we're just going to have to usually you can forecast the strength of a race coming out of it. You're at least get us all guests I can tell you this is one that we either took. Great States wins from your top three next out of they could all be naked off from here. It's really up to up to anybody but nice run this race nonetheless. And the final race moving onto the big won. The preakness and this is something that I think think both of us it's fair to say miss this completely. We were both very high coming into the race on authentic. I'll be completely honest completely whipped pneumatic but coming out of the Kentucky Oaks we thought with Swiss skydiver that you know maybe the trip and the Kentucky Oaks when the rail opened up with Camin maybe. She could've taken it but ultimately, we thought that maybe she you know she just got beat on the spot obviously with what happened this weekend in the preakness that was not the case that pretty much the same situation happened and Robbie Alvarado took the rail with Swiss skydiver was in the perfect position about it with authentic down the stretch of really really fun race to watch. Really great to see affiliate a preakness. Almost. Twelve years ago it was inconceivable to think of that happening now we've had to since then really good run for second from authentic really impressed with him and his team underneath for third You know he was beaten nine and three quarter lakes, but still a good run for him from thirds of disappointments. Obviously I mentioned pneumatic thousand didn't really fire new? York traffic we were offhand but new. York traffic also didn't run well, a lot of people thought. We might get a rebound effort from him and art collector was fourth even though he was very much well beaten by the top two in this race but really good story for for Swiss guide ever really happy for our friend Kenny mcpeek and you know top two coming out of this rate bolt both seemed like real real horses going forward. Yeah. Suicide Agra she. She essentially herself in the Primes dish to win horse of the year tribute no one's putting knowing how to more diverse and impressive resume don't ran as much as her in one as much as her, and now she really just needs to when whatever breer stub ratios and she very well could take it. So a lot of implications there incredible ride by Robbie Alvarado Ivan say as praises all weekend and I just really haven't improve always doubters wrong. There were so many people that. That really was questioning the decision to put him on in in honesty use last I love overturning peaks either transparent about that. He was pretty much third choice to get on the Philly but he he got the ride and made the most of it under the grant authentic Yida ease one Har- trying horsa is. Ultra consistent, human entire career. I don't think that's something. Everybody gives him enough credit for is the fact that there's only a second career loss. You'd never been worse than second south thousand US Ron Tabacchi battle as much as he did Disappointing efforts are collector. Really. Hated. I think he the moment he got taken behind horses it took any amount of his races over and we kind of saw that would love to see him come that interest like any the Rear Jeremiah lead you play a back as long as he's you know nine behind horses and then obviously pneumatics pneumatic was I was you know at at points in time considering picking he didn't fire thousand words. That's probably the biggest disappointment for me. I had him second. Hit everything no wage really broke well was on top early on he was done. Jittery rally a little actually down the stretch oddly enough. But. Damage was done that he still finished eighth I. Think this is GonNa. Be a strong race going forward though I know you you jack obviously in the top two but even below that. This isn't very good crop of their year olds at I. Think we'll see making noise next year at four. So now that we've finished up with Pimlico were actually going to go back to Friday and pick up with all the stakes action from keeneland this weekend lot of great one races lot of Breeders Cup implications over the board really fun races throughout the three days and we had good graded stakes action. Keno. We'll start off with the first of the graded stakes from last week, which was the Phoenix stakes which was by diamond hoops. Good call by Eric in this, a nukes has been a really consistent throughout his career. You know you go back and you look at. It turf dirt whatever you ask him to do he's done and he's done it very well he's going to be a horst definitely is going to deserve a lot of consideration whatever variation of sprint he runs in whether it's in the Breeders Cup Turf Sprint or the Breeder's Cup sprint diamond loves. This is the kind of horse that you know whatever you ask him to do. He's going to do it good run underneath from from echoed town as well. Kind of disappointed that he didn't get the win here but another example ECO towns been pretty consistent throughout the year also. The fifty one to one longshot I'm sure gave a lot of people scares with him almost sticking around good race for him. I. Definitely did not expect to see him fire the big shot that he did no paroles just to kind of horse. It seems like you know. Obviously, it's been said about him needs alone lead obviously didn't get that here. That's the thing with no parole just at. Some point if he ever finds another where he can get along, we'd that's his this formula for success. This very telling race I think. TOWARDS FOR YEARS Cup. Probably, in the best form of his life right now, which is. Say because he sent a old veteran, but he's put together to really nice winds now Yeah my check either beaters race. He's going to be dangerous because we know he likes the team. The grass course we now know he's really likes to be a jerk horses well and. I'm you know being hypothetical I love issue the spread I think that is always proven. He's probably best going one turn on the Dir- into certainly would be willing to consider in that in that race, which is kind of wide open at the moment nevertheless competitive but he certainly fits. The Jack said notorious Pony Whitmore wasn't all that great either so Like tell race horses that. Consistently. Ran Pauses or smell that in diamond do said is consistent rain good races. So Certainly A. Because we know tour towards. Weekend. And moving onto the also, which was the other horse that filled in a really successful really good weekend. For Kenny mcpeek, we already talked about Swiss skydiver noseeums. You know this point has been mentioned by other people's I'm not the first person mentioned this, but just goes to show how much of a world class horseman it is. He won the preakness with a thirty, five thousand dollars yearling this horse purchased for. Fifty thousand just goes to show you that Kenny gets the most out of every horse that comes his way really good winter for for simply ravishing in here I forgot to mention that I. didn't mention her name in a division that definitely towered over by Princess Noor and rightfully. So you know Princess Noor has been so good this year rightfully. So she's going to be a heavy favourite in the Breeder's cup. Juvenile fillies but simply ravishing I think we've found the horse that's going to at least give her a that saying that she is going to be able to beat her in the Breeders Cup but she's definitely going to not make it as easy on Princess. You might have thought it was would have been for her good run for second from crazy beautiful hasn't really been able to get the job done in terms of winning since you on the run. Happy debutante at Ellis. Park. But good second place finish for her. Thoughtfully disappointed. Both of us were kind of skeptical of what we were going to get from her. But you know. Big. Takeaway from this race for me was. Establishing is a a real player not really sure if you can just by putting her prince but a real player in a division that needed a second fiddle in here. Yeah. She certainly shorten the gap between I in this division is. Like likely last week after Princess nor one who who is going to emerge to possibly. That name threat because even looking at this present, we'll talk about shortly I none of those police at this point in time for the race Have given the impression they could simply ravishing very well, could could be legitimate redshirt as a win over the trap in that that always a long way no matter what the circumstance may be into she she finished very strong I think that's another thing too. She relished every bit of the mile and a sixteenth that she ran into. You know while she's definitely going to be the favorite in the race in the juvenile fillies cheese going eight at the price on on princess just a little nicer even be the. Know she'll show she'll certainly be well that. Takes money to you know provide some value for other horses. Certainly good philly when I think that will continue continue to develop one thing that I mean Kenny you repeat it's obviously now now especially, just a lot of credit for for what he does but one thing I do think people do forget. How much how well these two year olds sustain their careers you know being triggered kind of like some skydiver countless before they always move forward. So no matter what simply ravishing becomes. In terms of as we finish off this year, she's going to be A. Hoax contender next year. And now getting into the first of several stakes that we're going to get into from Saturday disagree to Woodford five and a half furlong turf sprint a pretty much a preview the horses from this race that do go on and run the Breeders Cup Turf Sprint. This is pretty much a preview for what you could expect from them going forward. We mentioned this last week, and Leinster is just a horse that has been so consistent throughout his career. Specifically at Keeneland does have the now back to back stakes at keeneland has only to stay starts of the year bold coming at keeneland the Shaker town in this race and his four runs at keeneland three times a winner, and the only other time was the second place in this Woodford last year. So obviously, he has a lot of standards to had settled very high standards at Keeneland is probably going to be one of the really highly valued horses going into the readers. Obviously, we're not big and speculating on how races are going. To turn out before we have even field, but he's probably going to be one of the really highly touted horses going into that turf sprint and you know is definitely going to be really attractive given his track record of how well he's performed at Keeneland. Ultra. Consistent there it's an another big states win four. Yeah. He'll definitely be one of the favorites eating with some of the Europeans are speculated to come over. I mean DVD's turf sprint races just in general, and then especially team that are very you know quirky with with their results you she's really off the chart performance is likely it consistently seen from from inkster and then you? Don't really run very well I. Mean you look at some of the prices in here chaos theory too. You know for a little bit was one of the favorites he rack. Okay fourth but we saw better from that del Mar even higher prices like real news and fast boat show up tragic kingdom. He continues to knock on the door in all these big races it's only you're a consistent you. Know he's had a couple of times where they thought Breeders Cup, no injuries or whenever we've come up. But I, think finding the year he gets there he could be an interesting one as well. Purely because he's transistor need another one who likes cumin but maintaining out of this race is is, is nature's continuing continually the dominant at Canada and that both well for for for for the Breeders Cup. And moving onto the next race to thoroughbred club of America. This race kind of felt like the kind of race where there's a heavy favourite in here, sneaking out and it just. Wasn't the kind of favorite that you pick and her super confident in. You know she did have a couple of good runs earlier in the year did have the win over? Bella. Fina in the Great Lady Emmett Loselle Meadows does, but it just never really seemed like that this is the race where a favourite was going to get it done and you had to thirteen and one. Upset winner paid twenty, twenty, eight, twenty seeing out rented a good enough second place finish. But you know we know who the leaders in this division or I don't really think any of the horses anyone's that do come out of this reason run the breeders, Cup I, don't really think that. Them are going to be tremendously factoring in terms of the in mayor sprint. Number coupled. With really impressive performances maybe but Is Very Nice Win shaved Cheetah turn it came out of nowhere from claiming an allowance ranks on this one she she had to reset very nicely for her and capitalize Nice Win for her nice to pick up the the winning you're in. So she'll either for sure but yeah, she's to no matter who shows up there we already know that the top two being convenient certainty i. In some of the towards who are kind of second tier right now for that much much better and the group we saw on Saturday. But nevertheless nurse win for this story. And moving on a race eight we've got the first lady can't keep shot brown away from winter circles in any weekend where you've got major grade, one races on the grass chat didn't have the greatest weekend, but he did get the grade one win here with Udi in the first lady. I know personally I was kind of off of Uni throughout the year I hadn't really been overly impressed by anything that she done but I think that definitely her getting back to keeneland obviously, she won the first lady last year gets the win again this year I think that that definitely not going to say that's the only one but I think that definitely does benefit from running acumen disppointed from new record. You know I think in Eric will probably mentioned this as well. I have said in the past that I think you know maybe turf sprinting would be her thing. I'll give him the opportunity to. Go a little bit further into her her trope inability to win going to turns. But surprised that only got the win here or call ran her usual really good race just not good enough to beat the top horse on the day but. In terms going forward I think that all these forces are going to be. I don't WanNa say top contenders going into the mile because that's going to be a really tough racist year. But I think which whichever these three come out and and run in that race I think that you will get some good prices on them going in there. I mean are usually the first lady is a race for will see the winner or the runner up. Probably I've been Breeders Cup mile or I guess this year, the billionaire turf cut apply with the shorter gets than normal but these top three realistically could be could be contenders for the race. It's a it's certainly interesting. Obviously, we need to last year when this racing take the mile but bomer causing a name I know he's being thrown around and she's she's always been one who. Has Been Very, consistent in, we've seen this year that the only units really then against her event painter, the setup you know she has always gotten the good pace to close into wasn't really the case year she came from last off A. Know not a very moderate to slow pace. So actually ran that well was is a very good sign newspaper record I'd Love Year Cup actually just seems like he's you know as time has gone on you don't really see a horse as time goes on Seem like they need shorter considering we saw her win the Breeders Cup fillies turn back in twenty eighteen going to turns early seemed like she had way more distance in her but nonetheless you she's still talented. She lost it to very classy this race but abandoned she seemingly lost a step and be probably. Need shorter distances or at least one turn races. And getting into the breeders returning next race on the card. Did. Have the big favourite when this race essential quality but bombs away underneath a second-place horse keep me in my pay twenty seven dollars to to show and then a couple of double digit horses to to fill out the super disappointing runs from some of the favorite horses in here calibrate founder didn't really fire king fury another one that didn't really a look that good. But Goodwin from the winter. Essential Quality. I think you know we've been honking the Horn of the two year old divisions this year both on the dirt on the turf are wide, open and just another horse that is going to have a very live chance going into the breeders. Cup juvenile this year I don't think there's a set leader. But you know just another. Horse. Threw his hat into the ring going forward. In a very good horse, I think. That was the way I was a little skeptical did not like the price he had a and E. I. thought there were a couple better I think honesty. The horses that didn't fire have excuses like founder you had to close and I mean he didn't really have anything to close into so. That that's completely different from his meeting which I felt so impressive where they went extremely fasted set up very well for him. He was also coming off a small layoff. So essentially, definitely best horse on a day but I I am skeptical in on a little hesitant to call him you know. Overly a special interest in his two year old crock because era lot of good other horses out theory to know we might have not seen them all yet. You know campaign coming up which will talk about soon and then some other ones we've seen, but he sat on a sad just. Basically on the lead at one point in the race in on a really slow pace was very slow. Things went his way entirely any drew off like you'd hope when you when you have a set of like that, but it's pretty obvious at the. Speed held for the most part. We had a couple of faded that to you know obviously, not very talented but other ones at that step around like a superstar. At nine, we still pretty close up early on obviously on Lebron, close up where it did benefit him and then colder didn't run on it. So Nice win no doubt. He's a very talented cold but I I have. A lot of people are not going to read between the lines, watch this race back and he's going to take a lot of. Money in the breeders kept that might not be so valid and the final race we're going to get from Saturday is to shad well turf mile outcome that I don't really think many people foresaw coming Ivar that brazilian-bred takes homeless racism race. It's known for crazy things happening raging bull ran the typical quintessential raging bull race. We've seen him run so many times coming late but too late with operas kind of off him a little bit. Following a couple of disappointing efforts he had. He rebounded good third CASA creed. Also, the Horse that I had some respect going he ran ran a credible fourth place finish you know. Like we've mentioned already with with the phillies the miles going to be really competitive race. This year could imagine you could see not a great majority, but you could see a few the horses coming out of here have some good chances going into Breeders Cup Mile. Decide altered final always reduces honors for the for the British mild be also has very, very talented horses in British up to make some sort of impact obviously, the scratches of two speeds definitely pilates that catcher Jim among other speed prestigious jake kind of changed the complexion of the race but and I I'm a horse who Won An allowance race at Churchill this summer and I thought he's to get Iran. Good but not Great Race Kentucky down. So After that I was realistically thinking you know he's probably not. That high level, but his raises in Brazil. If you've never watched those, I encourage you to go back. Obviously, we can do now. But those were impressive wins there ones that you would hope would translate to the US which they obviously have a this is a great ride taking him back in in this audience closing very well in. Getting the job done with, you know you got a couple of changes that I did the trick. Just. Overall everything just perfect storm pretty much to get him into one. It's useful runs again, without rules probably the one I have to get most credit see raging bull ran a race me no runs every time without parole. A horse how is Super Super Anti. He does seem to like mid after after running a on. You know he's he's probably not GonNa win a Ridderstad Mile but he could just be contentious how to price because. That was the best races run all year in my opinion and he's trying in the right direction. He obviously had a disappointing runs from the likes of Flavius, analyzing longer prices or like parlour. Really notes uses though those were certainly some supposedly races in itself group and we're going to get into Sunday, from Kiel start off with the the first race which was agreed to Bourbon. moutons back winter kind of disappointed in the hopeful. But gone on the turf for this ran a really good a really impressive two and a quarter length victory of Bardo also a good enough run for second. and. Horse at a big price ran third Nathan Detroit's So but you know ties back had a lot of people backing him going in the whole I think that he's kind of reestablished himself in terms of Breeders Cup just just in terms of different surface. Dirt, and now we know he's really really good on the grass is a very nice ride by is not great weekend in a during Ice Win From Certainly going to be on your favorites for the juvenile turf. Now it was an interesting run race. Otherwise I think a couple that didn't really fire below that that probably brand. It also wasn't the overly strongest group billing in which towered over this group. In racing maybe even a little bit on paper. He's a really nice for Scotland. Certainly hasn't won here. And now moving onto the final race that we're going to get to from keeneland from this past week in the grade one spinster I was all over she daredevils going into the spinster. Especially, after Swiss Skydiver won the Kentucky Oaks I thought that that was going to be a really good indication of the talented. She Dare Devil obviously I don't want to say she didn't fire but didn't run the winning race that was expected to her goodwin from. Here. It was kind of some that it looked like she was trending towards dirt. She had the the one in off the turf stakes at Gulfstream earlier in the year did have the really good effort at Monmouth prior to this and All signs are pointing I. Think you don't myself I miss this and I'm sure other people definitely did miss this kind of did look the signs were pointing to. Her having the potential to run a really big racier Chevy did that all his candy ran her typical all these running a really good second-place beaten on the day but always run really consistent disappointed a little bit from lady gay thought she was GonNa run a little bit better I also was really high on Sarah Cosi thought that she was a good use underneath she didn't fire but you know credit to the winner valiants I. Think they finally disappointing that she's going to be going to the sale now because I think they finally did figure out something with her but she didn't get the grade one win and that's what's important for her Announces. Very interesting. Still because ninety don't remember started her. Feed early minor races at Monmouth for pleasure. Coming into this year shared off determine raise the powder break. You know at the beginning of the lockdown that I think dot storm that actually supposed to be in very weird grace she lost that for me was was indicated she's probably not really dirt dirt. Chili butter she definitely. Those two nights turf colonial environments very derived like as Lewis. Is just had rate we end. You you sound a couple off wants to before this sets kind of my big not on in these past weeks is you know you're making all the wrong to seen it all the right choices this weekend. Great Right. Getting her to the winter circle s Raleigh's picked. What a consistent consistent Mayor Shia. Has One of those under underrated careers in a in US racing right actively in in you know past decade or so that I can think of it'd be really fun this year you know pick up a her her yearly win in Breeder Stop Don't know how realistic that is with how it's going to be changed us a fun. Flung Watch I love watching watching her wrong because I know she's always gonNA to. Put on a show even if she is losing by US losing by a half point every time. And now, moving onto Belmont we'll get into breeders, Quebec Belmont Park on the third and the fourth start off with Saturday, with the grade to gallant bloom one by Franks rocket, the three year old filly. There are some decent older sprinters in here but French, rocket handled them with ease. We figured pre- pretty easily. This'll be very easy victory for her. And she won't by seven quarter lengths geared down she does the. Breeders, Cup she runs in You know it's been tossed around maybe she might run in the in the sprint against the boys but whatever breeders, Cup race she runs in, she's definitely going to have a really good chance if she runs against the likes of mean and surrogate for she may be a little bit overmatched there but you know either way she will be very. Live going into her breeders cup racing. Honestly you know if she does one of the billionaires sprint obviously we don't get into speculating prices like I've mentioned already but she's definitely one that is going to have a really attractive price for the the racist that she's one of the way that she's won her races. So she's wanted to keep an eye on in terms of cup. And the percent she's. Very, talented deal must be doing a great job putting your enright pods of winning the toughest horses also opening. Pretty good were graded stakes level females at the least sell. She just put together such a strong campaign Leeann figuring we really don't know how good she is. She's she's like I said to you meeting good horses. The best decision has to offer I, think she could hang with the likes of Comedians, Aaron Getting legacy or try to the villainous also cutback of when to see that either because like already said, earlier sprint is very wide open race away very. Very. Talented Fun to watch even hopefully. We brought that next year for which will be the nicer. And moving on one of the two year old races from this past week. In Belmont. Park. The pilgrim this was actually a race that I hit the winner in this race fire will look really nice coming out of that. That stake win at Saratoga did get beat on debut by the likes of American. Monarch who is in this race also you've got to Chat Brown horse in here. Who is coming out of a win? Obviously it it's going to those horses are going to take the kind of money that they took in. That's what led to fire. We'll be in the longest on the board there, but he ran a really good race abuse, win it on the front end, paste it for pace fractions definitely helped him but this is a real group of horses some. Good Horse in here it's not like he beat horses that don't have talent. You know we've seen. Some good runs from a lot of the horses in here and Just just another example of what Mike makers able to do to do with a horses of this caliber getting the most of horses you know we talk about it with getting mcpeek we'll talk about it with. Mike Maker getting the most out of what what the talent the horse has. At Of course, I think that was probably the biggest thing I think going probably I sector little bit better do not send us the best horse and raise the fire will still own way which. You know even more gratitude for for being able to sustain that what he able to do a good ride by Kendrick car. Moose. You never really know what make horses. They'd be the most assistant in the world and he still wouldn't be confident wherever they go next split fire will now. You know he's gone back to the states multiple services, and that might make at least horses deuce stay in training consistently for a long time. So and then we'll be seeing a lot more than a letter sent out of this race. Especially, if the top to do go to the reader scale, I'd love to see public sectors as might get us all price on. And sticking with the theme of the trip, made the race on the turf at Belmont we'll get into Joe Hirsch turf classic now, which was won by channel maker. Who with this win in the TURF CLASSIC PUTS HIMSELF MAKES DEALT THREE TIME grade one Belmont two times a turf classic winner as well as a winter the man of war last year. We we were kind of suspect of this going in here. We knew he was going to have an easy lead. Didn't necessarily need the rain but we knew he was going to have an easy lead in China maker has an easy lead definitely is very dangerous erase. Obviously you WanNa look at him going forward given what he's done the last two if for some reason does come back and does have another race or he has A. Loan lonely that's probably not going to happen the Breeders Cup the if that is where they go, which is probably pretty reasonable to imagine seeing that they've got the Breeders Cup berth already and they've been there in the past but. Has Really. Turn around a campaign. You know we've ragged on consistency, but you know we've finally seen one of these older male horses that continuously. Compete against each other do something consistent have backed back good races. was refreshing to see something that hasn't really been seen in a while and. Again like I mentioned don't really know what what to make of channel maker going forward. He's obviously not going to be a wind container in a Breeders Cup turf, but it is interesting. Going forward. Oddly, enough. He's probably the leader in the clubhouse because he won multiple grade lungs which no letter turf wars is done this year that probably the leader in the clubhouse Lord Zoa we'll see what he does in a cup. We obviously know he can. He can shit. Well, I'm he's been consistent throughout his career team do a lot of things. It really knows he is such a confusing. Sources I was I was pretty impressed. Oh, by the runner up, macario German horse obviously didn't know much about him but each did some good things over in Germany and I put in a really strong performance year some you know. Any horses we see once a month in these kinds of races cross-border rock emperor highland skied will we're all well eaten? So that was interesting I don't think I, counted out. Sit Down Akeem until the breeders. Cup. So that's probably the worst the more coming out of race purity. Use such a EAS yielded more consistent A. Kind of perfect. At least American. So macario detonated be nice. Of course, we can't we can't go. A race like this, mentioning Stadler's joy running another guit thirty or placing a great one picking checks. And getting to the next race bell degree to Kelso Major Breeders Cup Dirt Mile Implications on the line and complexity. Get back to Belmont Park where he's had successes passes career grade one winner at two. Now agreed to winner at four four him he's going to be one of the really highly touted horses going Breach Cup dirt. Mile Code of honor just hasn't really looked the part this year have been very disappointed with some of his efforts endorsed also, we weren't really expecting much from him, but it seemed like that he could be in a position to run a decent third-place here which did not happen. Is just kind of disappointed since it looked like he had potential. With the trainer switch of with the trainers change to Bill Mont and running the race at all the good allowance at Oakland having good second-place finish behind code of honor. But I think really those are two horses that haven't really looked up to expert. Expectations this year. I would agree. North is probably the only surprise out of this race. Everything else states in a lot of sense laxity doing what he did he's GonNa be is stealing ninety major concern is inactive turns into Oliver's I know where chat round is leaning, but he's also very good at the flat mile. So definitely an interesting code of honor. Is Confused Ease. You'd expect more from worst. I was so good last year three and you just really is not carried on that form. But like I said, endorse flows the biggest surprise. That's for sure thought thought he would arrange something good and he's he certainly lost is here's lobster complexity moving forward dominant wind can't wait to see what he does and keeneland. And moving onto the final race from Saturday Belmont no surprises here. GLUCO was a favourite in here really highly touted coming out of the the racer he ran aground in the Saratoga. Derby bounce back here got the ground like Eriksson saying all summer with him. Once he gets the more, he's going to rush it the more ground that he gets all. Is Open to him because he was all over this racist began. I'm in love this. Guy Nutrition preaching all years especially after the earlier on year when he was in his his race dhec ultra, we took out that states on A. First for Saturday in May downstream. From that moment on I knew this race was perfect for him even though it was a couple months later than originally planned, he's still he's still dazzled was very nice really interesting underneath they'll pixelated wrong move on for. MIAMI. Did it really, Ryan. Nowhere. Really good for pleasure who was a horse I was absolutely against, so full credit him A. Ton. We're not the toughest criminal world certainly for the folks I'd love to go to dope can't wait to source and whenever he gets out to a mile and a half try I know let Clermont's between either the Breeders Cup. The Hollywood Derby. Obvious. In Hollywood derbys easier. But he's also going to be cutting that he's probably GonNa be better. The more distance he can get and I just love the horse. Is One of the better young grass horses. This country has seen in a while. So no matter what happens in terms of entities here you're looking at it horse that is GonNa take that older older male Turkish by storm in twenty twenty one. And now we'll get into Saturday from Belmont Park. The first race we're going to get to is the Miss Grillo Mile and a sixteenth for two year old fillies on the turf at Belmont. This is a very chalky race The favorites ran wanted three in here but really good effort. winning. Effort I should say from plum alley she's going to be a really highly touted going into. Breeders. Cup moves to three for three was a stakes winner in her start. Before this, we talk about Christoph Lamont lasts race with Goof Oh and the Belmont Derby Chris off climate great year this year he's definitely got you know he's Never WanNa Breeders Cup race four. He's definitely got some really good chances. You know we talked about show like I already mentioned plum alley really is going to be really good going into the Breeders Cup and good runs underneath and the other phillies. Knows finished decided between second and third Brad Cox ranked second with his Philly kept Chad Brown out of the top two with his horse editor at large. But you know like I mentioned talented horses plum. Ali's definitely going to be one this really highly touted going into the Breeders Cup. Of. Juice. Oh, impressive earlier through the summer, and then obviously that state twin Kentucky announced last in just three extremely nice races and yet for your readers talk she's Some of the European names that are floating around she might not even. Be Favorite is kinda crazy to say but in this division in general is so extremely tough. This is certainly the race I'm most excited for on a future stars Friday for the cup. It's extremely deep, extremely talented and our families certainly going to be interesting underneath. I. Know I know county ran for a very fine and so that at large there goes or to extremely good billy's from to the best in America Brad Cox Chap around. So backup law molly handled them as well. She did gives me a didn't even greater competence going for it's like it's tough. So I can't be like I can't say she can't. Do Anything. You know dat dat out there but I can definitely confirm she's going to be a very strong contender she's going to have a have something to say In a juvenile totally stirs. And getting back to another point which sounds like a broken record from this point but you know. Billy. Do some really good things with horses you know we talked about it with editor's note, hasn't really pan out for him in terms of grade six for one horse it has worked. Out. Dividends for. Is, Geraldo. The trainer switch to Bill Maher she's looked really good in the two stakes wounds and she's had under his his care and you know she's it has been put out by the owners that they are going to supplement her for the Obviously the Breeders Cup going to have the two heavy hitters of Swiss. Skydiver does the staff got monoploy girl and you've got Swiss skydiver those who are the really formidable phillies but you've got a Horse Geraldo who will it's going to be nice to see her and you. You may get some nice prices with her underneath one of honor. Another example of a horse that just for some reason doesn't. Get to run winning races but does run good in these. These graded stakes really disappointed from Dunbar road I thought she was really really flatness race I thought that we could. See something from Dunbar road that might make it seemed like she could be a contender going into the Breeders Cup I will now be completely off Dunbar road me get to buy sell and hold spoiler alert I'm to sell Dunbar Road Not really was really turned off by that race also disappointed from the run that Lotrowska put in. It Nice to finally break through at this kind of level we are knocking on the door soccer have that really good three year old campaign but this is certainly next level from Vilma doing great stuff like you said. underneath a little confusing twenty honor. Definitely not as dominant as an gator bus expected her to be coming into this year but this is probably one of the better races she's had I in twenty twenty. So a good at least kind of some some will come back into format She she she ran well, for Dumbo road I'm not completely off of her. I think you know it's it's she's had two. Small amount of races this year she cheese. So face out a honestly just don't think Chad Brown had already I think that I guess next time out I'd I'd be much more likely to look into her especially if he goes to the Breeders Cup because a chattel learned his lesson, however crank and ready to go up when be surprised to see your run while she's she's certainly always been one who Has always backed up high-fiving. She'd obviously rendered grace's death. You'll that towards Santa last year when she lost in straight and the F.. Kind of temper those those expectations she's kind of flown under the radar twenty twenty with with all of the. Girls midnight eases before she was injured, you know taking all the headline. So she's been she's got A. Year but I'm not totally off her. And the last race from last week, and then we'll get into the Belmont Churchmen, which is actually a one by back of his roots but he he dumped jockey right from the start. So not officially the winter wet your whistles, a horse who with jockey crossed the wire I. Beat chewing gum by three and a quarter lengths. We talked about sprints a lot on here. It's just an example, eight, eight, eight to one winner. Crazy things happening turf sprint. Sweden know this who said this a bunch of times already and this is just another quintessential turf sprint the united. States. Wait. What you're whistle is actually oddly enough egr one winner and you WanNa of rain one at Woodbine of last year. So he's he sounded to be good before, but he's he's been running. You know minor states throughout the year Nice Win Year for sure. Don't really think I use another one I would have to be supplemented to the Breeders Cup and I. Don't know if that's going to happen. This is the reason I was hoping to get some kind of a couple of these horses would be you know meters kept leveled you know like a light chewing gum who was the runner-up rating or it's like follow or who have been really good in the pastor. So it seems nothing nothing really nice win but. It much deeper waters as weird as it is to say, disturbing tradition of He'd have to tell I just don't see that happening. So now we're going to get into by on hold for this weekend we do obviously if you if this your first time listening, we do this every week horses that we really like them in out of the state Gwynne horses that were not ready to give up on yet but did did something disappointing and then horses were completely off out of this weekend I'm going to be buying. I'M GONNA by simply ravishing I gave the gave her and gave Kenny mcpeek a of lot of credit in here. I think that you know Eric mentioned simply ravishing probably isn't going to be the favorite, but I really think she's the horse is going to give Princess Best Challenge for hold I'm going to hold on. She dares the devil I think that there were some excuses there I really do think Swiss skydiver having gotten the win in the preakness and. We've we know that she dare a devil could run and win stakes level races before the Kentucky Oaks? So it's not like the Kentucky Oaks is just a one off victory for her. I certainly don't think that I will be holding on Sheet Ariza Devil and I'm going to sell Dunbar road I already talked about her. So I'M NOT GONNA go into detail again and I'll turn it over to Eric for his three. I'll be buying either the winner of the shadow turf, Smile Lug. Performance always thought he had cancelled never grade one potential, but now that he's shown me I'm I'm a believer maybe not in terms of winning Breeders Cup race he'll certainly be a a name. We'll keep an eye on for for the time being at the next year still be around for sure. So He's a nice horse, a lot of potential there with Ivor my Mike Hold I'M GONNA hold Dunbar Road Union. Jack don't often have A. Contrasting views on horses especially in the segment but I I am a little bit more optimistic. She can bounce back I I already kind of laid out all the reasons and I think chat, Brown knows what he's doing would love to see her a in the distaff and myself I'm GonNa I been all over the place don't don't really know who sell out of this this weekend there's there's a lot of horses that didn't really disappoint me. I am I, was impressed with a lot of runner. So at the end of end of the day, I'm just GONNA sell pneumatic It's very hard sell. I don't you know completely often but for the most part in that was just point run eat a really much better position in a pregnant that I thought he was going to get a saint as much as I think-i Kotova university his way my any nothing really one against him. So the fact he Backed up like you did was being over twenty likes just just on approved name. You know maybe he's not as good as I thought he wants was certainly A. Great races over the summer but. He wasn't going to be performed there I don't think he's ever going to be able to be a great one that. But you. Know the hardest stone, the world, and now we're going to get onto going into states action from this week, and we're going to start with Belmont and get into the champagne one turn mile at Belmont and three horses headline. This race he got dual of Sivas Horses Jackie's warrior and Midnight Bourbon? Those two sandwich reinvestment risk for Chad Brown Eric was really high on reinvestment risk coming out of the Jackie's warrior hopeful win and I will give Eric floor to talk about him. Jackie's warriors obviously been so good. This year history wins including two graded stakes wins obviously those will give him a those will give him probably the edge in terms of money and a lot of people will be on him because of that and rightly so he is run some really good. Races this year but you know as Eric mentioned last time reinvestment risk coming out of that. That hopeful stakes is maybe the horse to think of the in terms of once we got to going longer I will stay the course because I did say I. was going to pick Jackie's where you're coming out of the race all be hold onto my integrity and I will take him in here but I do think reinvestment risk is prime to run the better race. This is not easy. Right by any means I do really think you have to go with one of those two favorites but it's it's still not not easiest paper between these two because obviously, Jackie was much better in the hopeful This is GonNa be a big factor with him. Is this extra furlong in a get to them is the third start for reinvestment risk gonNA, and help improve I think so. You know originally I've been thinking about still turn race. It's still rejects warriors we have wheelhouse but at the end of the day I, really just really like reinvestment risk is his name and win has been pretty strong the the the grew from there to where you know that hopeful strong other coming back and winning urban. So. I think that read us just going to cherish this this extra furlong a little bit more that'll be the factor to get into wind jags order top two's very talking if I'm providing one value plays horse has been hyping up all summer OBI, a big win in southern California and he's still a made him, but he's never kissed aboard. it's been into one for Doug O'Neill he actually you know going back in his run to June he was second in his debut where he astounded all over the place Mary Green but he the horse he he was third behind him when in when with Dr Tribal Downgrade one winter. So even finishing front good worship but he's also just been being self more than anything I'm hoping start number five We'll get the one that gives them A. Best, performance and they don't think you beats those top two favorites but I think he runs a credible race. Ed. Moving into another two year old stick that present this and other as it's going to be very chalky. One of the favorites you gotta go within this race you've got V coming out of the win in the spillway. You've also got a data, the office WHO's coming out of a stakes win in July, but she is going to be coming into this race off of a huge layoff and Qatada, who is the favourite horse in here for Steve Asmussen. This does seem like the race to go with with the favorite in here I. I was kind of looking at some underneath that. Fifth risk was one that did intrigue me. But ultimately, this doesn't seem like the race go against a favorite in here but I will say fifth risk could be a use underneath in here. Yeah, it's. It's. It's kind of like the champagne wire you wanted to play against the. There isn't a big way to go so. For me as well terminating when you break your made by ten lengths, it's hard to look against you and does is training during you know well, for asked me up to this point. I. Just I have a hard time seeing her lose especially against this group I. Think she certainly the best talent I ain't gonNA use fits risk underneath commitment was the most impressive but. she's she's definitely want us can improve with time says very nice pedigree for for getting out to a mile and even longer once he gets a chance but for now, this'll cinder just fine. So if I'm trying to prison value in here will be risen and then you know if I have to throw in third, I don't really want to. There's no one else like it would be though. I'm a big Downer on her for sure I think that that's been away was culture weeks or the reason she a made out of a very weak parts maiden races well, was able to win that race by nine lengths but. It is what it is in this vista deceased coast up to go silly division in general we've we've been talking about this I don't see much changing here other than to control. And sticking with another week race the Jockey Club. Gold Cup unfortunately once again, we only get five horses in here and it's not really the strongest five horses. There's two three year olds in here. Happy Sabre WHO's coming out of a in the Federico Seo Laurel I wasn't the biggest fan in that raise I thought that. Visually it didn't really look that. Good. Obviously, you got the job done Mr Guide won the Jim Dandy at Saratoga was rerouted from the preakness to run in here. You've also got a couple older horses coming in at disappointing efforts in the Woodward Tacitus and prioritize, and you've got name Changer in here. This is the race that. None of the horses in here, really seem like a sure bet. Tacitus is a horse that has taken so much of my money and just everything everything really see screams to go against them, and finally I am going to go against him. I don't like the Jose Ortiz gets back on him I think that. I I I don't like to blame jockeys for horses running poorly, but I don't think tacitus and Jose Ortiz or good mix with each other some go with mystic guide very lukewarm pick I. Don't love love the pills like I mentioned didn't love happy saver out of the SEO. So but we'LL PUT MR guide on top I'll throw in tacitus underneath because acids. Run good races underneath in. You know if you're looking for a third place as you can throw in happy saver but don't really love any horse in here. It's a definitely a weird race. I am going back test is. All campaigns, I, think a little bit better than I personally give him credit for I. The majority of people give him credit for A. So I think that losing to him it's not necessarily disgraceful as much as is should have gone that Woodward but I think back to the suburban obviously race than this but that was digitally the best race tasks rance's wood memorial win is ran consistent races at Beaumont wins bent year win or lose I. Think Back to the Belmont in twenty nine, thousand nine when he was second just a link to he's ran very well mildly quarter never missed the money going on my own a quarter so I just I think he's going to have the right setup may be I think. He just likes to conditions of this race. So for me, I want to ask his happy saver second I know that's kind of a you know to talk for sure really him or prioritize I'm I think that either one of them could run good sex prioritize ran really well in the Woodward thinking could come back here and run sinus well. Really I think this is this other prostrate race, but ultimately, I do end up on test this and moving onto the fundraise Belmont that we're going to have time to talk about this week the sands point to really good we to really good races for three year old grass fillies this weekend, the sands point at Belmont surprisingly enough the the Qa Tequila did not take away from this racist racist probably going to be the best race on the Belmont car actually not probably it is the best race on the Belmont Card to chat brownfields here's sandwiched between speak. To me of summer who was a stakes winner up at Saratoga selflessly also stakes winner I'm going to go to selflessly here You know. I think it's one of the top three in here I did like her when in the Lake George speak to me of summer completely respect the decision to go third anyone decide to do that but I did like that and I think that you know she did run a disappointing race in the at Belmont but I do think that that win in the Lake George show that she has gotten a little bit back on track. And unfortunately another race where Dolly guest saved something WanNa do but it's hard to because you know you have some some decent prices on the morning line that that look good. But there are no sure things a lot worse actually spreading Stepping in distance from sprints to rows in this spot or so that had stepped up to route not shown also, I will go with with some some of the favorites in ear speak to the Assam resort I am going to go within really it's purely because she's cutting back in distance. That is my positive for her I. Don't our pedigree for me is always been something summer front was was one of those horses who is really a Mile Island name type in any any longer or shorter was not good for eighteen summer. I think falls in the same boat we wanNA plastic on my own I think that's recap. You can don't look past that. Oaks but she had her excuses trying to close After jewelry, Tara gives very bizarre ride in Antoinette's at a slow pace stole on the front end all these different actors. So I am going to go speak to me of summer here over selflessly in pure pure while this is my my longshot look. If anything a truly from a pay standpoint, I don't think that any other you know that she's consistently proven much longer ones not really tough achieve but you know she's Randy's decent allowance races. So I think on the front until I, think for that reason, she might just stick around hold up for third. And now we're GONNA keeneland from this week and this the next race that we're going to get to the fate at keeneland. This is actually a race where I don't really feel bad about going with the favorite in here. Mr Freeze is disappointed as of late in some of his recent races but I do think that he does get class drop in here. he has been consistent over the course of his career. He does have a five starts this year three in the money finishes back to back sixth place finishes in the Met Mile in Alysheba. But those are really tough races. He has shown the ability to win against horses of of this caliber taxes would be an interesting look in this race. If he wasn't coming off the mammoth layoff at he was coming off, I can't look at him coming out of that race I don't really like any of the other horses that are. Low. On the board I don't really think that highly of captivating mood Costa Defense or crafty daddy ultimately landed on Mr Freeze here but you know this is one of those races where it's wide open so and I don't think mister freezes and unbeatable favorite. Mr Freeze good. But he's he's been concerning as of late those last two runs through very tough groups and he had a layoffs coming into his last race. So that was valid excuse but it was it was not a race. We'd seen abroad before routine of do much better. So I had to take a look against a by liked horse and I do like the ten or released Maximus undefeated since switching to the Steve Asmussen born from Chad Brown work is a pretty. precocious two year old a twenty eighteen of you want his last race on dirty weekend. A huge off had rain since January still wonder nicely. Didn't eat any. But boaty expressed in voting express has you know he's knock on the door in some great steaks every now and then so certainly not elite group that he beat. So I do really like that in addition, he'd have come to the same conditions in this race he broke from an outside post that allowance on a you know a turn turn raising e was able to close to the pace and take advantage of that in in draw and win and I think he could get the saints setup here. So I'm going to be on a realist nastiness and then underneath I will catch meeting wounds over a horse really liked but looking into it His second last time now. Offering ran fine but even you go to those those races in the spring you know sits in a very tough on you to get in to run six appeals, not necessarily embarrassing before that was second in the New Orleans classic behind by my standards who's a very strong year so I think that he does make a little bit of sense underneath and that of course gently dot Mr freeze he he just he's been consistent enough outside of those last year races that it's a little dumb not to use it. and. Now, we'll get into the best race of this week and we do actually before we get into this, I do WanNa to mention we did forget to get to the flower bowl so we'll get to that following the conclusion of talking about this, but this is the best race of the weekend. The Qa to at keeneland mile in eighth for three ruled phillies. Aside, from sharing all the top names that you would hope to see in a race like this week. Milania Antoinette. Magic attitude. Harvey's a little oil red lark and even horses like handy even horse like Hendy Woods. All horses that are super talented. Definitely do deserve to be here and it's it's very fun. Race. Tibetan is a really fun race to look at it. In terms of watching all these really good phillies compete against each other ultimately, I'm going to go to Hollywood and he would set a really good consistent career. She's got three wins including a steak win at Indiana grant. She was second last time in the edgewood behind. Sharing which is the real reason why I'm super on her I think the sharing the best three-year-old filly this year and I really did like that good second from Hollywood's in here I willing to throw out the seventh-place finish and she had in the regret that was a blanket finish where the chart says seven place, but she was rather close to that. and. It wasn't ultimately beaten by that much. So I will take her on top here. Got To US forces like magic attitude and I will throw in Sweet Milania underneath But there are so many different routes that you can go on this race. It's this is a a very super good seal detailed. Everything, you would hope for in a grade one for for the retail he's out, but it is also frustrating because you look at. So many of these phillies in. Like value like really good player especially, those those those are three or four, the outside who aren't going to take the most money in the world because other horses they all they all makes good sense. But unfortunately, I have to go with the favorite magic attitude I just loved her winning the Belmont Oaks I was hiring we're going in like most people were anti-mine are coming out and going into this race. My biggest concern truly though is that I don't. Love to come back in distance that he is. My biggest not is I feel like the more distance better. So the fact he does have to cut back is a little concerning, but I'm also being realistic knowing that this is a great one and very much. So a Breeders Cup prep. So he can win at this distance. You'll be fine for the my own three sixteenths should they get their so magic attitude from even though there are certain factors I, don't love. Underneath will use. Harvey's Little Oil I. think that that is the circumstances are are very nice her she's going to be able to sit a nice trip towards the front. You're not really good second last time out mean he's already has a graded stakes win this year going on at eight. So for that reason, I, do think she's pretty good and then for for for third I will I will use anyone's as well. Think that's free value if he is around ten to one really race behind sharing last time out into. I. Think that with Clean Trench, he should run a very good race here. And now we'll get into the race that we did skip getting into the flower bowl at Belmont Gambier. Park is coming off of her second start back off the layoff from her win in the Qe to last year keeneland net second-place finish she had in the Canadian. was I thought was a really good finished for her definitely I, think she did need. The first start back off the layoff and I think second back off the layoffs she is going to run a really good race. It's really hard to look against Chad Brown in here so I would not be surprised as you Chad Brown exact. But I will go with Cambier. Park on top. Also Cambier Park. Year realistically, no she is box you morning line favorite but she is not coming here with the best form Civil Union. You know on a on a winning streak right now three in a row you have. The Third Spring Chad. Brown at seventy, two on the morning line absolute. Extremely good value for Tab Brown of course, she on a to a race winning streak named day and you know, of course, you have my sister net. Why think could easily cake more money than your part? So even though she's probably two in the morning line I don't think she'll go off favored. That's just a prediction I do like on top thing she's GonNa sit a really good trip. On the leader, just off of its setup, very well and I. I really liked her running the Canadian first off the layoff. Do not expect her to lean because I mean she's almost a year off eleven. Months says me something you should expect a horse to win off of even if are extremely great like So so camera part I think she'll do just fine I really do like her I will use the third straight Chad underneath donate lady May to really Nice my biggest concern is the step two mile and a quarter she's never ran further done. On my own, but she's also been really nice out amount in each finished strongly when she's done it. So for that reason, I, think she makes some sense. You'll get a nice setup and then I was well use a civil civil union three race winning truecar to go against including a win amount of quarter at all I'd just think that she's now facing a couple of better horses of course, candy apartment. I think for that reason I I do have to use your underneath

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 7/13/20--Weekend Recap

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 7/13/20--Weekend Recap

"Narrow. Maximum security has been defeated king for Dave. This is the Jason Beam. Racing podcast brought to you by twin spires, your daily home for Horse Racing News Interviews, wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason Be I'll Radovic good Monday morning? You are welcome, Jason Beam Horse Racing podcast brought to you by twin spires Monday the thirteenth. which doesn't have quite the ring, Friday the thirteenth, but scary nonetheless. I happen to be with you here on this weekend recap edition of the program lots to talk about a lot of keeneland from the weekend. It was a big weekend at Keeneland, so we'll talk all about that What else we could talk about today we'll. We'll tease what we got coming up on the show I'm going to start off talking about everybody's least favorite subject. We're going to get it out of the way. I made a point back in March in April. Two specifically not talk a lot about covert. On the rare occasions that I did it was tied into how it was affecting horse, racing and I. Even then I would get emails Dober- code. I'd WanNa get away code. Ain't Cohen and I understand that like I I? Get it and that's why when away from it. But. With the news of all these jockeys getting it out west, including Louis Sayas, who now apparently able to do can ride maximum security in San Diego this weekend. That'll be interesting. it's and by the way this the reason I'm thinking about this because I have impending race track travel coming up I gotTA drive across country. and. I really have to wonder if jockeys traveling around on a regular basis. As norm is a good plan. I saw Indiana. Grant made a new protocol that they're not gonNA. Accept traveling jockeys conveniently. They did it after their big event. Which is the one day that everybody travels there from out of state? At least for the guys from Louisville certainly will from Churchill and ls will certainly make trips up Indiana grand, and and so forth, but you know as far as the folks coming in nationally th. That's kind of done at Indiana. Grand 'cause they're big day is over. But I just can't imagine how flying in planes and traveling, and then going into the Jackson Room is is degrading right now and I know that for a lot of the top riders. That's the game and Mike Smith and those guys like that's what they do. They fly around right on the top mount and the biggest races. And I don't know how it's. Quote. Unquote Fair for a jockey to ride a horse. You know all the way leading up to a big race and the not to ride it in. A big race, but man like we're GONNA be in deep trouble here if riders are continually traveling around and continually getting corona virus, it just seems like it's not a good recipe for for things and I've maintained. You don't shut businesses down. Shut industries down. After reopening when there's one or a couple of cases I mean the reason you keep separation, the reason you do, all the mass is so when, and if somebody does get sick. Everybody else's not gotten sick. And then one person has to quarantine and wait it out, and it sucks for them, and then when they're better, they can come back. But you know if you react to. A small amount of positives with just shutting everything. Then it's just going to be this weird. Open close open close, which maybe that's what it's going to be anyways, but I was just thinking. Could because like I said I I'm taking precautions in my travels I'm taking taking the path. That's literally of Least Corona Right now. I mean maybe going through south. Dakota you'd better, but then you gotta go through Chicago and. And all that kind of stuff, so you know I'm kind of taking a more rural way. I'M GONNA stay in smaller towns and you know, do all my got bought some extra masks and Uppercut clorox wipes all that kind of stuff, but flying in planes seems like just the worst thing because everybody flies planning to get sick because they circulate the air and. I, don't know I I don't know how that is going to keep going forward. I feel like jocks might just need to pick a circuit, or maybe you picked to circuits. Maybe you get to you get a little flexibility you can. You can go one place, but you can't be going. You know bebopping all over which place and of course Florida and Texas where the biggest outbreaks happening right now. There's not a lot of travel racing at Gulfstream. Right like there's no stakes that guys need to go in fly in for, and I suppose saying with Lone Star so maybe it's fine and I'm overreacting. Is it just seems like if that happens? If more and more jocks get sick and their traveling, that's going to be a bad thing for all race tracks, and not just the jockeys, but. Anyway so there you go, okay, you can turn it back on. You can turn the volume back. We're done talking about covert. Everybody. Let's talk about keeneland because it was a a big of course week. They're the last five days. They ran their one week summer me and it was. It was Keeneland, but it was different. and An it's to be expected, but as I said the other day like when you're watching the TV signals for the most part, it doesn't feel that different especially during the race feels exactly the same. Other than the lack of of of crowd, noise and kind of ambience, and honestly as a horse player like that doesn't bug me at all I saw, somebody, said something on twitter by it sounds like Larry, Cole Mrs Broadcast from Studio At del Mar well. Yeah, I mean there's he is and there's no. Crowd, the background and Like we all just have to accept these little things. These little things that we complain about. Are just such a non issue like the big stuff we got to worry about, but little stuff about you know crowds different like you know I feel like we just haven't. Let's just keep plugging away. Let's keep as many people's. We can't working. Let's keep the sport going. Yes, things are going to be a little different I. Understand Saratoga is not having fans at least as of now and for a lot of people that is like. That is end times. I'm shocked I. Know that Saratoga Very Special. I went there. I loved it, but I also get that in the pandemic. It's it is what it is, and you can still watch and wager on it and. You know it's going to suck for a year or two or however long this takes but As far as Qianlong's concerned, it was just neat to see some chemo racing neat to see the blue grass, even though it's a summer race, and now Derby points, race and We had pretty much. Exact odds favorites two point two, one, two one on suicide, ever two point three, two one on art collector. Last Friday show. We had art collectors trainer Tom Jury on the program to talk all about the horse. really enjoyed getting chat with him so as I'll admit when a biased and I I was I was. I was root for Tom just because it was neat to talk to him know I, wrote crack a big race like this. I give huge. Recognition to Kenny mcpeek for being a sporting owner and trying this with skydiver. You know I it made for an exciting storyline coming into the race you had Rushie as your third choice at seven to one enforceable your fourth choice at ten to one, and then a bunch of horses between ten and twenty, two one as expected a couple of big long shots, but let's take a listen back to the Toyota bluegrass. Here's Kirk Bekker's call. So art collector gets a much well-deserved harder victory racks up one hundred and three Beyer speed figure and goes from. Good solid allowance optional, claiming to all of a sudden one of the ones for the Kentucky Derby in a matter of a minute and forty eight point one one seconds. It's amazing how fast the the narratives can change. I got a bunch of buddies that were. Art, collector future, ticket holders after those those last couple of wins and. We talk with Tom Jury I thought it was so great refreshing when I asked him about this week taken awhile been nervous and he was just like. Yeah, it's I just want to get the race here. It's just been a never ending. Wait for this that at a and then he had such a great comment. At the end of the race and the interview with with Scott Hazelton. Asking looking forward to the Kentucky Derby. I love that answer. I've been on record saying I'm Scott Hazelton Fan I like Scott and I think he does a great job and I know that he has to ask that question. For some reason. It's become like you have to ask what's next for the and I've been on record. I did a whole rant about this once I specifically remember doing it that I don't like when paddock interviewers ask about what's next four minutes after they just WanNa huge race. I get that they have to ask it or viewed that they have to ask it, but I always just think like you know all that can wait for the next day like let today be about the day. Because of course Kentucky Derby Bureau, so's the preakness next and the trainers going. GonNa say yeah, well. We'll see how he comes out of. It will make a decision. We'll let you know like you know. Of course they're all wanting to go to. Of course. He's wanting to go to the Kentucky Derby. Garcia's. I always feel like it's it takes away a little bit for me and again others when I went on this rant last night, so people say he's got asked. The question is what we're all thinking so I get it I don't get as mad as I. As I used to about it, but. Like you, just WANNA grade six hundred thousand dollar races first career graded stakes race. It's the Toyota bluegrass which for a Kentucky. Guys probably pretty pretty big deal. I don't know. It's always been my thing like after the race like. Let's just talk about the race. We just wanted but I. Know that they. They gotta do what I guess. And like I, said I Scott. These does a great job so I'm I'm not bashing him I realize it's kind of an expert expected expectation kind of thing, but I just found everything about art. Collectors win refreshing exciting. It's so neat when. Connections that haven't been to those highs, get a chance to get to those highs and. Brian Natives Junior of course on the Mount Brian is GonNa join us tomorrow on the show, so we will talk all about we're. We're we're. We're all art collector all the time here on the show right now at least the last couple of days and tomorrow, but Brian will join us tomorrow. We'll talk about the ride on art collector. Of course, he's also a regular writer of Swiss skydivers. We'll talk about her and much more tomorrow show. But? I thought position perfectly. What one thing I want to ask! Brian about is when they went into the first. Turn their. You know he was Kinda going up. In between Swiss. Skydiver and chivalry almost like it was for a split second, it looked like a lineup of three and Swiss skydiver was a little bit wide, and you can lose ground on those turns at keeneland somewhat quick, and then all of a sudden. She made her move and look like Brian just decide I'm going to sit back and I want to ask him about that. That particular moment in the race and we'll ask about all the moments in the race, but I thought it was. Basically, just saying OK looks with skydivers going to go with shifts and go on I'm just GonNa Park right here. Third out in the clear I'm going to have no obstructions, the rest of the way Russia kind of started to make that move on the turn, and maybe forced Brian's hand like, but it was time to go anyways and so. I don't know that Russia really forced anything but. Down the Lane Swiss skydiver I gotta give her credit I. Mean she really really dug in? They weren't crawling forty-six through I. mean the track was fast, so maybe they were that they were setting track records every four seconds. It seemed like keeneland over the weekend and. You know track records I. I've always said like who cares especially when they're breaking multiple ones in the same day because it's completely indicative of fast fast surface and key running July which they normally don't do April. There's you know there's a little more moisture in the air and. Well at least there's a little more moisture in the ground. So who knows I mean the you know. They haven't had a ton of rain there. I know. They had some on on Thursday and Friday but. Again, You know to me. The track records just don't mean anything when they're falling every couple of races. In fact, they only missed the track record here. By what three fifths of a second three thirty six one hundred so not? Not a big. You know just not a big thing, but I really thought so. Skydiver ran a hell of a race. Those two were clearly the the best of the race, and really I thought it was going to be more of a dog fight to the enemy. By the time the final margin came out art collector one by three and a half, but I'm sure part of that is Mike. Smith to saying look. We're beat. We're way way clear of everybody else. Go ahead. Go on with an art collector. Joy Your time. But. Yeah! It was a very professional win and exciting win I. Think for a lot of folks in Kentucky there and you know as far as horses that didn't fire I was shocked. Basin was ten to one I, didn't care for him at all, but she kind of liked it. He was Kinda exactly where I expected him to be, and then just didn't. He just wasn't quite good enough to keep up and and folded the tent enforceable did come with a nice run ten to one. It actually ended up being. Second Choice. Over first choice over third choice over four choice so nearly the Chaki, a super fact, the possible returns forty four dollars for a dime, the exact between the two favorites, twelve dollars and ten cents in the Toyota, Bluegrass, so art collector of course onward and upward. They did mention the day after because it was the day after it had some chance to enjoy that. He's either going to go straight to the Kentucky Derby or Possibly, go to the Ellis Park Derby. Now how cool would that be for Ellis to get to have kind of a market contender? I can't imagine too. Many monsters would show up is is that a points race I remember there I think it is. I remember that. In fact wasn't it just created exclusively for a points race. Yeah Fifty Point Kentucky Derby. You've I, would think that nobody would really show up. Okay, this horse is you know he looks like he's pretty clear. A lot of the best three year. Olds other than the real top. You know top the ones that is the laws, etc, so do we want to hook this guy for for a couple of hundred grand. I'm assuming it's what is it two hundred thousand dollars buck fifty. Two hundred yeah could call that was. That does a total guest. But I'm assuming nobody would really want hook him right now and then if it's Derby points race and you need some points and you got a good horse because there are good horses out. There would not a ton of points right now. and. Of course, some of the some of them are going to go up to the travelers in the Haskell's coming up this weekend. Authentic going over there amongst others. We'll talk about that later on the week, but you know it's. It's entirely possible. Somebody could show up mcpeek set after the bluegrass that he is going to go toward the oaks direction with her. She has forty points ed to. Rosa tweeted. He thought forty might very well get her into the gate of the Derby and the good thing is for Kenny is. He doesn't necessarily have to make that commitment. I mean they can certainly say they're going to the oaks, and they could say they're going to. You know to try. To just prep and run like the oaks is the major destination, which it probably is, if he said, but if all of a sudden a week or two out of the Derby. The. Entire point system is in place and they realized that Hey, forty points is going to get you in the field I mean. WHO's to say, he doesn't turn around and and ask the question I have to think, and we'll ask Brian about this tomorrow. I have to think Brian wants to go to the oaks, because then he's got a major player in each of the two races I would think he's sticking with art collector of the Derby kind of intimated as such. In, the post race interview, but you know I mean it'd be nice to be on a couple of really live logical for two of the most important races in the entire country. I would think but as eventual labrador as junior will join us tomorrow. 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Several Times always loved getting a catch up with Johnny He obviously is not. He's always back in Minnesota so I, guess he is going to be going to it because there are allowing audience so but we'll we'll look through some of the stakes. Races talks from Canterbury with Johnny love Thursday I'm going to be start traveling Wednesday and Wednesday's going to be my longest day I'm pretty much just driving morning tonight. I'm going to try to get to either Salt Lake or Evanston Wyoming. Preferably Evanston Wyoming, but we'll see how I'm doing after thirteen hours driving, but. We're going to do a special show for Thursday where me and my friend Joe, not who follows naira racing very close. We're GONNA handicap the opening day Saratoga. Card because Thursday is opening date Saratoga. We'll probably do a general handicapping discussion, and then talk about like the late pick four league pick five. That's my tentative plan and then Friday. I'm just going to do the weekend preview all by my lonesome, because as I said, I'll be traveling so doing the calls with Jerry. Guys, you know I got a whole studio setup I can't really. Wait wait and do them too late at night, so I'M GONNA get to hotel in Denver. Know where Oh yeah Denver on Thursday but I'm GONNA my trip from Evanston. Denver's only like six or seven hours so I'll be done by three that way I can have the whole afternoon to work. The show might be posted just a smidge late for Friday, but it all the it'll be just entire weekend preview I did a keeneland Saturday preview which a lot of you checked out I appreciate do that and for those of you. Who did check out you? Should you probably realize that? My most of my opinions were hot garbage? Not Good. At, keeneland in terms of overall opinions, the. Starting out so promising because the first race I kind of liked the number one eight hundred. Up made a big move like. He was GonNa win and then just. Flattened out and finished second at five and a half to one, so it's like okay. It was good good start, though think in the race out well always happy to see my buddy grant forced or get a win so that you know the car kicked out right, and then you know the right of a lifetime. That horse was damn. Nice, the AGNOSIO. Believe second time started third time starter wasn't whatever it was. went to the front, and really leveled out down. The stretch, kicked away nicely to beat a Brad Cox I or in Swill. Speaking of Brad Cox, he took the third race with Monday call first time going his barn from the Don. Chat Lowes, barn and. I. Thought was kind of going to be hooked up in a bit of a speed battle with the five perfect happiness, as it turned out neither one of more on the lead, they both stock from off the pace, and they ran one to. How's that HAP-? PACE IS A. Physical game and we'll. We'll will certainly talk more about that as we go on the fourth race the Appalachian stakes. Ended up being. A thrilling thrilling stretch drive. In fact, let's listen back to stretch drive. Here's Kurt, Becker. Watching a live I thought walking. Marrakesh got it. And then they showed that low angle preview or thing which you know, most tracks should do that right like everybody. Every horse player loves that right after the ratio Australia they finished. The race fits close for they go right to that overhead right on the wire camera, and they literally call with two seconds and a lot. Lot of tracks here will go through seven different angles the replay before they finally get around to the on the wire ground level shot, whichever likes which is, that's where you can mostly tell who won the race and on that one. It looked like he only got it, and as so did get the win for for shooting with gay. He Julian Peru beautifully timed. Did Not. Look like a winner. In fact, it looked like it was a battle between the horses at end up finishing second third and fourth Joaquin Merrick alms and Evil Lyn Evil Lyn was kind of my sneaky play in their at eight to one and ran a credible race going off the claim against these top. My point when I talked about this I said Oh. My opinions were hot trash I guess they really weren't in the sense that I had some theoretical opinions that played out. Okay Arms and walk in Marrakesh had said you know the difference between these two. Is Not very much, and the difference between alms and everybody in the field was not very much from a speed figure standpoint. And in these short field, turf races a lot of times you get you know kind of bunched up top stretch. It becomes a mad dash turf racing in general but. The DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A lot of times these horses is just a length or too, and it doesn't take all that much to make up a length or too especially, after three of miles already been run, and you're all kind of on near level ground, and of course you know a gay closed. What I'm getting at is there's no reason all should have been one to two. That's what I'm getting at and I said that the other day because. She just not that far ahead of everybody else I said if the price was double walk in Marrakesh Than Walking Marrakesh just to play for me, and a price was significantly more than double fact, it was technically I. Think Nine Times more because you've got four fifty versus fifty cents on the dollar. You can't tell me that always is going to win that race that many more times than walk in Marrakesh, especially, when at the end they were only separated by head i. mean is played out. It was the case this one time, but they rerun that race ten times winning at nine. Or Eight, or whatever like it's just this is not going to happen, and those are great opportunities to find races like that, because sometimes all GonNa win that race I mean God. She was only beaten by a head and a half. If that I'm going to win that race sometimes, but as she win that race five six seven times in a row or Seven or eight out of nine times or ten times. No, no way. You gotTa love opportunities like that, even though it was you know small field editor, but if you're starting to pick three, pick four daily, double or something, and you could be against a one to two shot. Sometimes those and by the way walk in Marrakesh was nine to two, and only gay was five to one I would be willing to guess that in agape played much bigger in the pick, threes and fours then walk in Marrakesh I don't have the willpower as with me or what you know what they would have paid kind of thing with walk America's, but to me on paper America's looked like kind of. Of a clear second choice the fact, their odds went off close together I. Don't think illuminates how much bigger Nola gay probably played in the horizontal, probably not a ton bigger, but bigger and more than just eighty cents on the dollar bigger I would guess that took us onto the grade, one madison stakes and Goran I got hammered at the windows. Even money down to one to two again, you know. You'RE GONNA. Get this win. You'RE GONNA. Need this horse to win this race. Quite a lot of times to end up breaking even on your money, but you got fifty cents on the dollar for that one bells the one down a four to one you had eight to one on Sally's curling a deep closer the projected early speed, and he's challenge at nine to one mischief at eight to one. She floated way up I mean when a horse crashes down to one to two I mean the odds of everybody. If you've ever done a morning line, you know you have to assign the percentages if you start making horses. Even money instead of sixty five, or if you make them one to two, instead of three of the odds on everybody else goes way way up because it's just such a massive amount of money. On, that particular horse. and. I'll tell you what we're on A. So out of nowhere. They break and Joel. Rosario immediately goes into a Rowdy Roddy Piper. Adriaan donnas sleeper hold on Amy's challenge You can see the the minute. The Gay popped. She didn't break like. Perfect or incredible or anything, but you know. She broke kind of with the field, and he just immediately went to wrapping up and. It had to be. That was the instructions in the plan because there's just no way that with a horse who's been as traditionally of speed horse is her. That, they would have. Done that. Unless, it was planned. Because she didn't break bad. It's one thing if she breaks five lengths behind everybody. You're like okay I don't want to do the whole. Rush up and then fade because that's what's GonNa happen especially against really really good filly and mare sprinters, so the instructions had to have been to do that. And I'm guessing they're thought process was look. There's a couple of really really high end. Sprint types maybe they'll go out and battle each other and we'll pick up pieces, or maybe we've been training to rate and we want to try this. But for horse players, especially ones who liked Amy's challenge, or who were kind of depending on her to you know maybe ensure that there was some pace. It was quite a bit shocking to see and Goran able to go twenty, two and four, which seven at a very fast keeneland is nothing and almost forty six. They went only forty six and change for the bluegrass which was an extra. Three. Extra quarter mile of a race with an extra turn, so Garon did not have to work hard and mischief. Takes the lead attorney for home and goes a half three quarters in front. Honestly I thought the race was over and then Gorod digs back. Jose Ortiz goes to a left hand. Nobody really closes from the back bells. The one loomed up for a second like she was going to really make a big bid, but she was trying to close into to really talented phillies. who had to go all that fast? And, so hence why there was very little, making up ground, in fact, the only horse who really lost a lot of ground. Was Amy's challenge was third early on, and then ended up finishing seventh. It was a perplexing move. It was a frustrating move. It's one of those reasons why handicapping peso difficult. Because sometimes you're going to get. Know participants who don't. Run the race according to the program and that's okay. Trainers are allowed to do whatever they want and if a writer. Has the instructions to do this then that's fine like it's not like. It's a I don't think it's a fixed race or anything I think they were trying to do something different. It just doesn't make any sense to me why you would do to horse this point in their career who's been pretty damn good going out to the race that didn't really have a ton of true speed and especially on a track. That was so fast. Like if she two or three clear for home, like maybe they gotta come catcher. Maybe that's not all that easy. Hindsight Twenty Twenty I. guess it was. It was a mystifying I. The whole race was stupid like. That happening between garage battling back. It's like you know. What a short price on a horse like take and. I was just perplexed by the whole thing, and it was Chad Brown's one hundred I think grade one or was it graded stakes when I think was great one right? He wins like forty graded stakes races a year. It's gotta be great ones whatever it is. It was the greatest achievement and Chad but. Guan and she certainly gutsy runner I saw a few people tweet I think it was. Gabby got deadly. How did she come back? And I'm like well? Probably Gabby because she went twenty, two and four at didn't have to battle against her likely pace, pace pressure, and therefore had plenty left to review to battle back on me Mr who by the way you could make. The argument hung a little bit The Final Furlong Narron in twelve seconds is good, but. I think she came back a little bit, but. I WanNa give Guerrero on her or do props. He's an extremely talented runner, and it's not often that you seahorses battle back like that especially against really. Talented runners, so Kudos to to them, the Shaker town as I said I figured probably the most folks were spreading in looked pretty wide open on paper. First of all wild Jackie three to one favorite bound for nowhere. You're three. Two second choice said I didn't like either one of them and ended up being lender and Tyler Gaffney over Georgiana Arnold. Who Got The win? In fact, your journal ran one, too, because totally boss Brian Innate junior just missed a rolling down the outside. The made a big big move. It was a ninety two dollar George Arnold exact in this one. Did end up getting third, and I thought it was gonNA. Be Pretty Dangerous, because broke sharply and. Tiger. Blood was not able to clear like I kind of thought he might. He ended up. Kind of battling with bound for nowhere, he needed to be loose up on the lead, but at twenty to one. You know you're willing to take those kinds of shots, but Leinster ends up getting the the upset win. Fast boat was a late moving. forethought ran a pretty nice race. The Peter Miller horse well the California horses I should say. Peter Miller had the number nine. A Texas wedge who look like he was looming up into contention, turning for home, and just really flattened out in the wild man Jack was last the entire way around. Really never. Never ran a judge. Is You three to one favorite? Not sure what happened you know? It's good to be against horses when they run like that I mean that was That was hideous. The Central Bank Ashland stakes of course, the race change possibly a little bit with the scratch of tonal is shaped figured to be. At least a contender, and if anything a pace contender, you end up getting three to five on Venetian harbour who was coming off that narrow defeat to Swiss skydiver last time three to one on Bonnie, south who I was kind of digging speech at four to one over tall at five to one. Let's take a listen back to the central. Bank Ashland. Man This was a crow eaten special for me because I was not a speech fan. I kind of had been of the the thought that. Swiss skydiver beat this one last time out, but you know. Somebody had to run SEC in the sky. It certainly validates with skydiver. Maybe we should have elevated a little bit. After speech came right back and ran huge. I mean that was an impressive impressive effort. Mike McCarthy continues to just send out very very solid. Good runners and horses seemed to improve for him particularly as they go on, and this horse had a bit of second itis right, but had been running against big horses don of a Lo Che Gimme Swiss sky. I. Wonder Hindsight I'm like God. Why was I hard on this horse? Like I was reading it more as a horse who takes a fair bit of money in getting beat as opposed to horses, getting beaches by really get horses, and Venetia and I think that the. You know the recipe on maybe had to beat her out right? You gotta just go hook up with her and. You. Know you've got a decent chance to Tau Kicker. I don't know if she's better maybe as a one turn sprinter, or if she needs to. Just you know. Kick on with an earlier on the turn and try to get some separation and play come if he can. Because I thought Brian Brilliantly Road Swiss skydiver and the fantasy, just of really taken a tour, Fortunato early, she was able to relax this time. They were not going fast. At all forty-seven flat and twenty four, which over that we know over that course is not flying so. Maybe. That's just the recipe on how to beat Venetian harbour. That's my take on it. At least the Jenny Wiley stakes, phillies in mayors and rushing fall the magnificent, rushing fall one that I, another one who I'd probably just have not given enough plots to the race. Certainly unfold. A little bit slower seems like on the turf. They're at keeneland. It was not easy to pass horses. I know we Sinaola gay kind of make that that run. And I know they came from a little bit off the pace in the Shaker town, but. It did seem that the course was pretty quick and that it was just not yeah I. Mean I think she said a track record yesterday for mound. Turf which we know, they run a distance pretty fairly at keeneland over the years on grass, but Julie Olympic I able to just kind of Gallup around there almost forty seven seconds to the half and put gutsy fight I. Really Thought Juliette. Fox Trot for a second was kind of loaded in behind. It was gonNA make a real race of it, but rushing fall just too much the fact she's one great ones at two three four five is pretty remarkable. I mean that's really really impressive, dominated a keeneland of course, the breeders. Cup is back at Keeneland and. She'll be a major player for. Whatever turf race they decided to I would think the Philly and mayor turf, but she's you know I don't know. Has She gone that distance before? I don't think she, has she. Just kind of my own eighth by on an eight mile, a sixteenth, and because my the Philly Mir turfs a mile and three eighths, and then I think the only option is the mile, and that's against boys, but maybe that's what they'll elect to do. I mean who knows maybe they ran around the first lady last year mile at Keeneland, and it was probably her worst race. Oh! They'll have decisions to make but man I. Mean for the meantime. She's just been an incredible incredible runner I'm we mentioned architecture? We talked about that, and then the finale, a wire-to-wire performance at a little bit of a price, so you got out if you if you had some of the chalk, the stakes races, your pick. Four still came back five hundred seventy four dollars for four out of four correct. There wasn't no pick five extra pick five ended in the Toyota bluegrass stakes which you get back for that. Three hundred and thirty four dollars three sixty. The pick four paid three thirty four. The pick five paid three six. Important or no that Gulfstream keeneland and some of these other tracks they pay out four out of five on the pick five, so you do make more because you'll get some of those four fives, but I have to think you would make a hell of a lot more if they just paid out five five so in a way. It's kind of a little bit of a takeout. Increase in thing to watch for when it comes to the pick five if you're playing Keelan. Let's head over to Belmont. Park real quickly and we will talk about Mona. Moi Girl, who was running in the Ruffy and figure to be a very heavy favourite. You know I, mean she? She stood very tall over the rest of the horses in that race. Mother mother ended up being your second choice at a four to one I liked it. They carded this kind of outside of the late pick five and pick six, because it was a little bit of a Free Square. However the early pick five. You know there was a couple of there was a first time starter from Mark Hennig that won the first race and a couple of. Smaller upsets. You still got back seven hundred and twelve dollars. I thought it was pretty interesting effect. The pick four paid forty six dollars, so you got back what almost almost twenty times more for attending one shot in the first leg, so I was worth noting when. When stuff like that happens, but Motomura. Girls expected. You know you're fifteen cents on the dollar. Heavy favourite four one mother mother all the way up to fourteen to one VIC Seychas. Let's take just a listen back to the final strides of the Ruffians from Belmont Park Ma. Girl now takes the lead with a quarter of a mile to the finish, and it's Mata my girl in front, vexatious up on the outside moves. The second mother mother is now back running in third and. There's a furlong to the finish monoploy girl asked for just a bit more by Jockey Flora Juru and mono girl has things in control as they come down for the Finnish Mon-. My girl wins the rough again by a little more than two big win for monoploy girl Ray. She's supposed to win in. Did so impressive I saw someone tweet on Sunday? Maybe now she'll get the respect she. Deserves an anti certainly kind of tweeted something close to that. On know shortly after the race was over, he said we're so. CAREER-BEST ONE! Oh, four buyer, flickinger roughly and win fair to say she is back. I've definitely underestimate her ninety four and. I, my reaction was who the hell not to Andy's to the guy. It was Brian dipsy from race nation. He had tweeted something about her. Kind of you know getting the respect she deserves. Today and I was like well. Who's not giving me girl the respect she deserves. And he said isn't time. We give her a little credit. I thought well. That's. Given crews, not giving her credit. Everybody thinks she's good. Everybody knows she's got she's. She's one breeders, Cups, and Kentucky Oaks Big races, but I did agree with his. Like I certainly don't consider her like in this Pantheon of top top phillies of the last. Fifteen twenty years. I mean I, guess she. Probably she is right. She's a top ten philly in the last ten years. Post Yada. She says she's a top ten philly. Or mayor, maybe even top five. But Eh, derosa countered Bryan's point with something. The effective we have a BC would be favored if they ran a race right now, and that would be really interesting to see. Let's hope it comes to fruition. It would be a great story, because obviously they had several matchups as three year. Olds Magro got the best of all of them. Except for the one she got d cubed and I. do think be so was going to win that race so I. Give that one a midnight. Be Sue on all fronts, but Boy It'll be sure funded. See that matchup when it percolates I. mean the Delaware Handicap this weekend. Dunbar road was very impressive I. Say it every year. The staff loaded the distaff loaded every year. It's one of the best divisions. One of the most fun races funds. There's always great story lines coming into it. And that's just the case like that's how it is in the just after vision, and that's how it's going to be this year because there is some really really nice. Horses that are lined up for that division in that race coming up a little later on this year Friday we should give a little mentioned to the the Friday Steve Keelan, of course, the maker's Mark Mile is the maker's mark. Mile. I remember I looked that up last week because I call it the makers mile, but it's the maker's Mark Mile. And it was war of will getting the wind and. I talked about like he wasn't that bad in his turf debut, and he kind of sat a nice trip and he ends up winning. Parlor at what twenty four to one. It's about a sick of a beat as you can take. Your home for a second of will was in a good spot throughout Telegraph Leon. We've talked about Tyler's. Just seems to be writing really really well right now and. Cassie I think deserves some big. Red Seems. Kassy's Barn has turned the corner to having a little bit of a slump there, but were of. We'll just in a good spot throughout and guts out a win. It's a prestigious grade one race and puts him in. You know a pretty. Small Company in terms of Classic Triple Crown. Winners that have gone on to win grade. One's on turf. In fact, I think I saw wasn't secretary and chrome or the only to to do that chrome. If you remember one the I think it was the Hollywood derby or whatever the equivalent was down at del Mar after Hollywood closed, but that's I mean that's pretty good horses to be with right for war of will. Yeah I would think so the Beaumont stakes for grace's ends up getting the victory in that one by a pretty big margin She is going very very well right now. In in Wilkes Julian, the preliminary, who had a pretty good weekend I seem to seemed like there was a number of races where he was just popping up winning important races. Races, so shout out to Jillian and Shout out to you. Guys for checking us out of again as I mentioned Brian Hernandez. June. You'RE GONNA join US tomorrow. We'll canterbury on Wednesday with Johnny. Love Joe t going to join me for a took opening day. Discussion on Thursday and Friday will look ahead to the weekend. It's coming up which by the way? Is Haskell weekend. That's right. The haskell is coming up on. Saturday seems like they just started over Monmouth, which they did but we'll talk all about the the hassle of the San Diego this weekend. Of course maximum security making his debut for Baffert with a new writer. Able to do a guess, the rumored writer to get that amount. You know this is the race where arrogate kind of laid that I egg. I wonder if I mean. Maximum security kind of has to win this race, right? because. If he doesn't. You know now it's like okay. All the serve stuff comes right back into question which it is anyways. I mean this. This horse is running under a big time. Cloud his entire career is if you ask me, which which pains me because you know, I got to call him and kind of see his. Siham. His you know. I was there for the Haskell last year when he won. But you know there's a fat asterisk next all of it, but anyway so this is the big card. At monmouth this weekend it's it's a it's a monster card stakes wise. Saratoga Opening Weekend, the coaching club America oaks coming in the. Sakala fame so lots to talk about the Eddie read on Sunday at Del Mar to hear Leary Colin del Mar. This weekend is They got kicked off and so we will talk about all of it as we go throughout this week by thanks to you guys for tuning in. We'll see you back tomorrow. Everybody have a great rest of your Monday. Start this week off well.

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Mark Hennig Interview - May 8, 2019

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

17:46 min | 2 years ago

Mark Hennig Interview - May 8, 2019

"Trainer Mark Hanna. He wanted to get urban warns of the one hundred and forty fifth Kentucky Derby, graphs. It's good for all of us. He didn't probably won't be able to talk to us today. If he had. But marks here. Now, should we gave he by the way showed was ready to roll had a prior commitment? He could not get out of sugar will join us tomorrow to talk about code honor and the Kentucky Derby, and it's experience this year. But we got my main man Mark handing now markets Anthony Judea on the express radio. Thanks for joining us today. Hey, guys. Thanks for having me on. OT's union will be reunited with bourbon wolf, the Preakness. You announced us this morning talk a little bit about how your cults doing and the. The marriage between him in Arado tease junior. Well, I he's doing excellent. I mean, we were a happy chain. Retain, and you know, I think the time that we you maybe hopefully, it's blessing that we didn't need to run in the derby. Because you know, we're we're kind of looking at seven weeks between races which is kind of what we had between the rim sending the allowance race. He wanted Florida which kinda got his season starts feel like we kinda got got a little freshening in spring. Well, hopefully, the others were, you know, tiring themselves out. Let's see what happens you had talked earlier about being in in the Peter Pan. And and then decide to go in the Preakness we trying to figure out which was the best way to go or do. You just have a good feeling about going into the Preakness right now. Yeah. Well, I think it was just you know, we kinda sat back we wanted to. We're never had locked on any set Ray. So all along we said that you know, the the thing to do. Finally, we were in a position of being able to choose what we wanted to do. Instead of you know, put demands of a point system or something. So, you know, it only made sense to sit back and watch and see who how the derby. You know, fall out was who who won how they won, you know? You know, head Omaha beach. There were a lot a lot of things obviously the last week. So. Beats you know, if he'd been in one by ten we may have stuck to the Peter Pan situation. But you know, the way things on the Florida horses really stepped up and gave a good account of themselves with maximum security and and code of honor. And we just felt like, you know, we were very competitive with that all winter why not going that direction. News it out, you know. One of them are even coming back. So, you know, we're getting a fresher group, which might be tougher in the long run. Yeah. You know, it looks like a great move right now. I mean that that race on Saturday has to give you a ton of confidence. I mean the way shook source Rian and the the way the the horse across the finish line first three, and I don't even know how to talk about these sources anymore. But it's just that it looks like a good spot for you. And everything's coming up. Just the way you'd like it going into a classic race. Yeah. I mean, we got a breeze tomorrow. We gotta get through breeds and come out of it. Well, there's one thing. We did. Learn. Derby week is a lot of stuff has to go. Right. A lot can go wrong and that even the last week or so going into a race. So, you know, welcome to the world. And of course training. It's just a tough business at times and horse own especially, but you know, right now. Everything's perfect. And we hope it stays that way. Let's talk about stuff that goes, right and stuff that goes wrong. You'll left on the outside. Bourbon war is left on the outside looking in. He's on the bubble for the derby. You opt not to enter along with a couple of other people counting. The peak didn't enter signalmen Somo didn't end the swing. Now. There were a few wars quite a few wars that were considered bubble horses that did not enter only one also eligible entered on Tuesday. It was voted express who wound up getting in. As fate would have it. The scratch of your brother-in-law's horse care. Mclachlan's Haikal would have gotten Bergman war into the starting gate to questions any regrets. Why didn't you enter? The main reason I mean, we weren't twenty two we were twenty five, you know, we we weren't twenty two until you know, when we were training here at Belmont. It didn't look like we had any chance to get. And we got no indication for Churchill Downs or anybody association. Triple crown that that we had a chance to get in. I got a phone call Monday evening from the race. In secretary, Ben Huffman at Churchill, which and he said, you know, I just talked to Kenny mcpeek, and he's not going to enter and Swain does not going to enter and somebody else, and you would be now twenty two if you decided to go win if you decide to enter, but he said, you gotta be on the grounds by ten o'clock tomorrow morning and my horses standing in a stall Belmont Park, and it's five o'clock. So at that point, I just here to end, and that was not knowing that Omaha beach or high-cal within the scratch. So why are we gonna you know, pack up our horse hauling down there. It's still a long year. And I know the Kentucky Derby Kentucky Derby, but you know, to me, it's not sacrifice your horse to just go there. And and on the chance that you're going to draw in and truth be told we could've shipped the horse down there and Swain you in and mcpeek could enter it at the last minute, and we still been twenty four on the list. So that, you know, discussing what the owners dot com kinda got confident in our in our other plan at that point is this to you know, we're gonna sit back watch let things unfold the weather didn't look like it was going to come up, very nice, which is also a factor and really no no regrets at all about not entering or, you know, head. Been a trainer that was able there in that. Or or if Churchill had a backup plan besides one turn mile. You know, we probably would have been there. But they don't you know, they have they have the pet day mile. And then you know, otherwise, we weren't looking to back up and run a mile. So you know, if if they had a nice race for horses that that didn't get in. You know, then we would have probably been. Donald trainer marketing love bourbon, war, next, Saturday or other teas junior will ride. Neither derby winner. I think that's how I'm going to refer to neither Gerber. Sugar announced that go to covina's not going demont who also trains country house Tacitus will point to the moment. Stakes improbable signed on board. But. The derby, not really sending a plethora of runners as you mentioned it Mark a fresher bunch. Does that concern you facing so many quote, unquote, new shooters? Would you rather have some, you know, some some worn out for your olds shipping seven hundred miles or you know, this new bunch. There's some really nice person. You guys were included in that conversation. When it looked like his Darby was gonna oversubscribing a big way. It looked like there was going to be a nice bunch waiting at the Preakness, including bourbon war. That's coming to fruition. Now. Yeah. I think it's a really respectable group. I respect on do, you know? Two to Fe all sorts always mining. What's what's the first name from Maryland Polly's? They're they're real solid group of horses. And they all had, you know, good preps, certainly. I I would rather than I'm certainly happy that code on our maximum security aren't aren't going to be their country house for that matter. But, but I I still think it's a very respectable group. And it's gonna come up solid Wraith. And you know, we've all seen where where you know, the best. Those don't always come from. What do you think when all said and done bourbon wars best game is going to be either kind of horse where you're thinking ahead insane. Well, if he runs because like Jude pointed out earlier, you thinking Peter Pan, you would think in Preakness, you hadn't really made up your mind is he kinda worse that maybe we see provided all goes well on the free kness in the Belmont Stakes. You think he's a mile and a half Haina war or more along the lines of it's a long season racist like the dim dandy and Travers in the second half of the. Yeah. I mean, we wouldn't definitely route the cabal mine, I think everybody that you know, a lot of the clients from New York. So that that wouldn't be something that we decided until. Two. We ran in the Preakness. See how competitive we are. And see how it come out of it. You know, wouldn't be crazy about the three weeks rest. But, but you know, it just it just all depends on the horse at that point. It's turn in terms of the mile and a half. I don't I don't really. I'm not gonna sit here wants to have to. I don't know if any of them really, do I think I think Tacitus does and country house probably does. But I I don't know that you know, we just have to see as we go. But we wouldn't we don't let out for sure. All right. I have a prominent horseman on the phone. So it's I can't let you get away without asking you this. They make the right call on Saturday. I feel like they did. I mean, I just thought it was unfortunate. You know? I think unfortunate for the for the folks involved probably in the long run the game. It's going to benefit from all this conversation. Can they make rules that that might be a little bit more? Improved. Yes. But I I don't think that any horse should ever be allowed to do what maximum security did and not suffer some kind of penalty. He's got and it wasn't the jocks fault. So, you know, I've heard people saying, well, you know, you don't take down the horse. Well, it actually was the horse that that fouled. And I don't see. I don't really see any way around that. You know, it just it's someone's got to be responsible when something like that happens. And thank God. Everything came everybody came back healthy. And we didn't have any anything spill or anything. All along. We gotta be able to discourage that kind of thing, and you know, certainly consistency. Yes. Love to see more consistent. Keep I think that scares me co I don't. Think it should've taken him as long as it did some. But I think maybe they spent the last ten minutes that trying to figure out whether it's place the horse, you know, behind long range toddy or not I think that's that's some of the. The thought process that goes in with the stewarts in case like that. You ever been involved in one in a long quarry? Now. I mean, obviously not that long. You've been what's going on your few years ago at Belmont. I was involved in one where I found I wound up third and the two horses in front of me bothered the horse that finished fourth and I got kissed infant third to win a steak. Wow. I don't remember who was that. Philly named a. Thing each exchange when something like that. Well, I don't remember. It was like one of those nights stakes on the turf at home on in the spring meeting. It was it was a they took down the first and second place finishers and put me up. That one took awhile. Yeah. You brought up a good point. And something we haven't really heard juden. And I don't know if you've heard this either where you don't now you you do ride Lewis is you guys have had a lot of success together. He wrote strikepower last year and try Powell man, he looked good. We'll we'll talk about him in the minute. He looked great in his return this year. Talk a little bit more to that point where I think a lot of people look Lewis, I an aggressive rider. I've seen Louis give rides like the one. He gave him the Kentucky Derby many times. But he's riding for the Kentucky Derby, you can't really blame him. And you know, a lot of novice fans out there talking about the puddles. The lights the cameras just a little about what you mean by the whole it was the horse more so than it was the rider. It was the certain movement. I mean, I think the one thing that we, you know, a lot of betters probably tired of and and don't know what to to think when when those inquire with the stewarts days that you know, when there's been a lot of hurting as we call her. They were you know, the the horses. The riders have a tendency to field a little bit. You know, where it's gradual coming in or coming out that horse. You know, it to me it was pretty evident that the horse reacted to something. And when he reacted it was very sudden move. It was more like a horse bolting, you know, and then or will happen to be in his way. So he couldn't go too far. I don't know that Lewis size could have done anything about to the few paths that he took over to his right. He was he did it so quickly. We've seen it happen at the wire and races where horses alone on the lead and jock falls off. You know, it can really, you know, they say move sideways quickly. It's hard to stay on board. So we're probably one hand lucky were will didn't go down. So we're also probably lucky he was there because he probably would hit country house at four will in there. So. It's just one of those things where the horse star sauce something and decided he didn't want to be there. It was kind of just a fright move. You know, where they run? You know, fry frightened flight or whatever they call that said, he was he was looking to get away from whatever he thought, you know, whatever boogeyman he thought he saw there in that's probably Garang word to use to another is a conspiracy theory about the man on the by the poll, but I meant the water the light whatever he saw and believing horses can see things. It's amazing. How one day someone could put a little cardboard box near the outside sense. That's you know, a foot by foot and horses will think that is the most Sterry thing in the world and say wasn't there yesterday. So you know, they can see things at times, and they they're very reactive, and I felt like in that case the horse reacted Lewis integrate Java staying on and trying to correct him. I think when he corrected him. He came back down on code of honor. Maybe even intimidated him. But again, I think that was the horse responded to both. Both stimulus is. Great stuff more before we let you go big effort from strike power on his return now Gulfstream Park. How do you come out of the race in what's next for him? He he he's doing great. He's going to Greece here tomorrow morning and Johnny last, but it's gonna three the first first race that we would probably have under strong consideration would be the true north like the day before the Belmont. So, but he's seems to really come back strong. I'm really happy for the horse. He's doing super. It's just amazing how big and strong. He's gotten. Well, best of luck with him. Best of luck next Saturday may eighteenth Mark Canucks in the saddle bourbon war for bourbon, lean stable and a bunch of others in run for the black eyed. Susan Preakness stakes Arado junior to climb back aboard bourbon war. Thanks, mark. We'll see you tomorrow.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 9/1/20--Churchill Opening Day

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

45:38 min | 11 months ago

Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 9/1/20--Churchill Opening Day

"Narrow. Maximum security has been defeated. King for a day. This is the Jason Beam racing podcast brought to you by twin spires, your daily home for horse, Racing News Interviews, wagering discussions, and more. Here's your host Jason Be. Out of a good Tuesday morning y'all welcome in the Jason Beam horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. The folks bring you. The Kentucky. Derby. Folks who bring you the Kentucky, Oaks folks who bring you this show. I happen to be with you here on this first day of September. Has said to me you know I know Labor Day is always the official end of summer. But I always view September as the start of fall. I hope that makes some semblance like to me July August those are summer. I can even be convinced the June is to. September to me is fall but that but we're having like a heat wave up here in the northwest. That's supposed to be coming. In fact, grants pass where I'm heading. Next are opening days like less two weeks away. It's supposed to be like one, hundred and two. Good thing. We don't race for a little bit hopefully that cold front comes through a day or two early soldiers can not have to use the machine but looking forward to that. But look forward to being with you guys here today we're kind of. Flipping the script a little bit because tomorrow's GonNa be our oaks roundtable yellow gene colan myself. We're going to talk about the Oaks contenders there was a field of nine drawn and according to the morning lines very much feel three, but we'll still talk about the race. anyways the undercard on oak stays actually looks pretty cool as well. Maybe we'll get to that a little bit. On tomorrow's show it's opening day at Churchill today. So I'm going to talk about the Churchill Opening Day card took a good long look at that. We'll speak about that in the second half of the show Thursday going to be our Derby roundtable Friday a look at the card for Derby Day and we'll be often running for the the big weekend I did want to you know I mentioned it what what kind of switch things around today's going to be a little bit of a Horse Player, Tuesday so to speak. So we will I was I generally when we talk about horse playing and betting wagering construction kind things a lot of times I speak more and theoretical. So as opposed to definitive examples because I think it's I think it's I'm better at that maybe who knows but more. So I think it's just more fun for you guys to then take you know what we talk about here and use it in your own specific wage. Now, if you WanNa, send me wagers and stuff like that. I'm always happy to look at them. If I have time and you know I'm not going to tell you you're horrible. You're bad or anything like that. I might tell you I might bring up questions like hey. What do you think about trying this that they're you know as opposed to this and that and usually it's not based on handicapping at all it's it's sheerly based on maximizing whatever your opinion is because. To some degree. If you look at any of your tickets. Like. I realized that when you're constructing your bets with making your bets a lot of times. You know it's habitat. You've done it for a long time you get into autopilot mode. And I think it's easier sometimes after the fact, which by the way you the skill you're trying to develop is is that one that happens during the wagering construction but I think in the early stages of learning about betting and all that kind of stuff it is good to after the fact, take a look back with maybe less emotion and newer is or someone else's eyes and kind of deconstruct. Okay. I spent this much. What was my overall opinion? The right because when you look at a ticket, you should be able to tell what was my opinion Whether it's an exact a TRIFECTA. Pick five, pick three a daily double. Just looking at a ticket, you should be able to to decipher. Okay, I was my pee on the race and did I actually try to maximize my opinion with my wagering dollar? And it's I think it's always a really really good exercise to go after you would be surprised. How often people will you know? Oh I love so and so is my my best bed of the day and then their wagers completely don't reflect that they might boxer the horse in a Trifecta or an exact and you're like, well, hold on now if if this was your best bet of the day. Why why? Why did you put him? Literally even the same amount of money on him to run second or the same amount of money for so and so two run third or to win the race or. Did dollar box with four horses and your best bet of the day is in there. You have six combinations in there for an exact that don't even include your best bet at the day. And that's your best bet of the day. So I think it's a great exercise to get into looking after the fact at your bets. What was I, trying to accomplish here? What did I do hear what I actually do and how could I may be maximized? You know it's so easy when you hit a bet. To think man I just I did good especially when you hit a good one. You hit a good is obviously. A different thing for different people right in different bankrolls. If you're if you're a someone who bets five dollars race, you hit for one hundred and fifty bucks or something that's pretty. Damn. Good Lick. And so you might be saying to yourself man I. I really took advantage of my opinion there turn my five dollars into one hundred, fifty dollars. I mean, that's you know that's a thirty two one shot, right? But you also might realize man you know I i. I also liked so and so and so and so for second. So what if I did two dollar exact as my horse over them and then what it turned it into, you know two hundred but obviously, you know that that's not gonna hit as often as you know when your horse wins, there's going to be some times when those ones don't run second. So you know you got to take into accountability new account, the degree of difficulty in the odds of that particular coming in versus what you're GonNa be warning but just doing that kind of math work I really think will will help your game as a whole. So a couple of things. I want you guys to think about especially if you're a pick four pick five player. Think about all the tickets that you you make. You know he might make to pick fours or fives a weekend. You might make Ted of them weekend I know people that are that are play pick five all day long from different tracks you know they're just they're firing admits their bet they love it. I think one of the things that happens the most with a lot of people's tickets that I see is. They either have the legs where they're singled. Or they're spread way out all or six or seven or whatever it is. and. Then they often have the legs where their two or Three D.. And so often it seems that the two or three deep legs. Are, usually the race and I feel like there's one of these races in every pick five sequence it's the ray swear. They take the top three choices that kind of looked like the slam dunks. In terms of if, I were to ask you. You know if you had to pick three horses who are GonNa win this race almost everybody would agree it's you know one, two and three, and they're eight to five, five, two, two and three to one or whatever it is, and then everybody else is eight to one or higher kind of thing. It seems like there's often a leg like that in a lot of sequences and I call it for a lot of people to get by leg people just want to get through the leg. They're not advancing their money at all they're just trying to get through it. Now, that race represents twenty percent of a pick five represents twenty, five percent of a pick four. It's a significant portion of the wager. And for a lot of folks, they're happy to double or triple their ticket cost just to get through that leg. You know and again, it could be where you know maybe your opinion is, Hey, I like you know ten to one twelve to one to kick it off I just WanNa get through this leg and then all spread later and and we'll hit all. Okay I'm not. I. Don't hate that as much. But what let's say, you're already singled to a two to one shot. You you maybe got five to two and a three to one and leg to now you're gonNA go two or three deep with the the three logical 's that everybody else has like your ticket now is you now you're three legs into it. and. You don't really have any price possibilities and okay you know, let's say the last two legs you're all by all well. Half of those combinations are going to be you know. Lower than ten to one shots in there. So. Again. I, think that that is a trap leg. In a lot of situations where a lot of people are going to and three deep in those kinds of races where it looks like there's maybe two or three logical contenders. A lot of people just trying to get a buy it now, my saying that you need to. You know try to play against those ones. You certainly want to look at it it least really really way the option of is there a horse outside of the top three? That can win this race. You know somewhat reasonable amount of time. And I think you'll find this is something I repeat a lot but I think it's an important factor. You know. All six to one, zero, eight, two ones don't play like six to one, thousand, eight, two ones do and other races. You know the first leg of a sequence might be a twelve horse field the favorites four to one. The second choices ninety two, there's a five to one, two, six, two, one, eight to one at at at a depth. And then there could be a couple of four to five. Later on, we'll guess what everybody's GonNa have that eight to one in the I league because that's how the sequence kind of lays out. and. So. You know when you get to those legs where on paper like two or three or pretty far ahead of everybody really take a look to see you know. Can I is this the leg where I can get creative and really get some separation from everybody else because you know depending on how the rest of the sequence lays out? It's very possible that huge majority of the tickets are kind. Of Thinking what you were that looks like it's just these top two or three and it's not gonNa take that many of those fourth or fifth choices to strike to pay for themselves. If you swing and miss and the top three win you know ten times in a row I mean your your ticket if you get that fourth fifth choice in there is going to be so much higher. then. You know. Then the next ten times were you hit with the the two, one, five, the two that everybody else is on and so again, and I'm not saying you have my other all thought and race like that as well. Which one do I really liked the best or if they're all three equal. Who I'M GONNA get the biggest price on. Maybe that's the spot to go to single and try. Again. If everybody's going three deep and you're singling there and you get out of there even if it's one out of three times, you've set yourself up to hit those bigger prices later on. And because you'll have more, you know if you have the same wagering capital is your competition. Then, you're gonNA obviously have more combinations to play with the later racist because they went three deep, their their their their ticket at that point tripling were years you know. Just multiplying by one in that particular instance so. Always it's it's very much a trap leg I feel like we see those in a lot of sequences. And maybe that's kind of where you you create a hurdle for yourself you know the the famed it interviews he always talks about creating. A couple of hurdles throughout a sequence. You know even if you sing if you're going to go to deepen that particular race and you single, you can now go eight deep instead of four deep in leg five where where you were going to go forty p now can use eight or eight toys. You can double the amount because those extra four horses in that leg are going to cost you just as much as using that one more in this leg and guess what horses five, six, seven, eight that you might include in that race. They very well could be eight to one twelve to one fifteen to one twenty to one, and we know not all you know fifteen to one and a wide open race might not play as huge. But boy, I'll tell you what it's GonNa play bigger than the three to one or two to one that you missed out on because you you know you you singled in this particular kind of trapped leg or it might be leg for your you know your too deep but now you can go forward deep again if you have a race where you're too deep and you decide to single that allows you to double the number of. Horses in another leg for the same price as that one in that particular lake. So something to think about. I said this was more of a specific thing I saw this weekend and. That race where there was a disqualification. At del Mar on on Saturday you know everybody was talking about twelve to one shot lay tub wins the race twenty, seven to one run second to the twenty seven to one gets put up. The. Next race even money shot wins and the next race after that. A What was it? I think it was the. Five to two first choice or second choice like what you know. There was kind of three or four logical favorites and it was either the of the second choice that one. So, it paid I think two hundred dollars for a dollar for the pick three. So the fifty cent pick three paid one hundred dollars. And I think that most folks when they hit a twenty seven to one shot you're thinking well, this is it like this is the this is the time I'm going to really get paid on this particular pick three. Threes are always a little dangerous in terms of compared to pick for some places but most likely pick five, the takeouts on pick threes are often very, very high. Related to, their. Difficulty a pick four and a pick five, obviously a lot tougher to hit and so there's that old theorem of you know the wagers where people are playing for big scores. That's the one we want to take the most out because they're churning less and they're taking more home that that was for a Lotta years kind of the thought process behind for a lot of tracks behind win place show being a lower takeout versus tries being higher and stuff like that. So pick threes. You have a wager that compared to pick fours and fives is obviously much less difficult and you're paying a higher tax on those and you know as I've always said lobby kind of against the fifty cent pick three I. think it's really Severely, damaged the payouts and I think this particular pick three was a really good example of that because. You know the two races after it. You had smaller fields there was a six horse field and a seven Horsfield versus I think the I think it was tanner eleven or whatever in that first leg. and. So you did have a big favourite in the first leg. So you know you could argue that maybe. You know the twenty-seven to one should have played bigger in the pick threes but I would argue that because you had smaller fields coming up and you had in particular uneven money shot coming up in that second small field that most people were seeing that sequence and going spread narrow maybe a little spread may be narrow maybe big spread in the end or they were going spread little spread narrow at the end and and got home whatever it sequences lay out in kind of a sometimes obvious ways if you look at a pick five or pick three or whatever. You should be able to as as more advanced horse player to take a look at that sequence and say, okay. How are the mass is going to play this? Well. There's the four to five shot four. So let's put a big circle around that because. I truly think. That, there are a lot of horse players out there and Your own personal host here has been very guilty of this in the in the distant past. They. See three to five morning line. They see a four to five morning line hell they see a six or a seven to five morning line. and. They breathe a sigh of relief. To them they know, okay good. This pick five has just now become a pick four because that's a free square taken that Free Square. And To me, it's such a bad way to look a pick four or five in terms of what you're gonNA. Do you certainly want to see that and say well? A lot of the public is going to. Use that single there. With. Derby. Day coming up I feel like it's a great example. Now, this year, maybe not the greatest example because we have such a big favourite anticipate law It's very possible. A lot of people might be using him as a single in their late pick threes pick fours, pick fives, etc.. Most years where the Derby is first of all to huge field. So there's a ton of horses and options, but you know it's I would argue that a lot of years if you put a four to five. In the race before the Derby or race two races before the Derby people are going to single that four to five shot, even more than they normally would. Because there are so many horses to us in the Derby. Especially, if you know race like the you know. WHO's that Turf Force? It was really good. The last couple of years for Chad Brown. Realized that doesn't narrow it down, won the Pegasus bricks and mortar you get a bricks and mortar in the race before the Derby. There's so many people that are going to see that entry and just go Oh, good i. only have one there because you know the the Churchill downs sprint is toughest derbies the Derby I want to have eight horses in the Derby and they're going to see that quote Unquote Free Square and they're gonNA breathe a sigh of relief but not us no not US sharp wars players we're going to realize that if we can beat that horse. The the level of payout is just going to go through the roof even if it somewhat forceful before that because so many people are anchoring their tickets. To that one spot you know again I'm not saying you have to play against every three to five or four to five that comes along. We've seen countless examples of tickets where you know I mean God I we talked about the other day, right? Yeah. Poem who wasn't three to five but was a short price. You'll pan was a Yopougon Japan was seventy five or whatever it was in that sequence with no crazy. Paid Twenty eight thousand like. There's ways to get there with with one short price in the sequence sometimes even even a couple. But if you're if you're looking at the sequence and you're kind of like a lot of mid prices four or five, six to one beating, that four to five just makes that ticket go crazy if and when it happens now may not happen every time fact it's not gonNa that four to five might very well beach a number of times you have to learn to let everybody go to the windows on those days that you know the Rainbow Sixty other day the mandatory pat paid two hundred bucks. Two hundred, twenty, eight dollars I think it was. On a day like that you have to smile and say, look tip my cap. Reform. Full, day you guys go to the window. You enjoy your two hundred twenty dollars I. Hope you go out to Tony Roma's on a one avenue after the races. And it's great. But you also gotta remember that you know three times down the road four times down the road maybe ten times maybe twenty times. Be going to the window to cash for twenty seven thousand. While they're going home and going noted that fifteen to one shot beat that four to five. And you just you have to think in terms of the long term. Results in this game, it's just I. See. So many people who are so tied up in the day to day results and I was so guilty of that and it just murders your bankroll and murders your mental attitude because you start betting according to how you're doing in this tiny tiny little strip of time. And that's a dangerous way to to become a gambler So anyway, so those are some points that I just saw this weekend general thoughts on stuff a lot of stuff we covered but I do think it's important to keep having these conversations I. Know I know for me the light bulb on a lot of this stuff didn't go on until I had heard a lot of these things and by the way I'm still learning. More and more each day I think it should be all of us. One interesting thing I want you to think about in terms of of mathematics and bedding and all that kind of stuff, and that's with the Kentucky Derby this week. The Derby is I believe slated have eighteen horses now I think it was seventeen and then there was named big news that announced they were going to go in there drawing, and of course, later today. So we'll know for sure. But let's go with the the probability. There's going to be eighteen horses and not twenty. I thought this was really fascinating. How Cause? An eighteen horsfield still sounds pretty amazing right like it's pretty great like how often do we get to bed eighteen horsfield's once a year literally and usually it's twenty You know unless you're playing think Japan and some of those places have have some big ones like this but anyways. Digression. If there's eighteen horses in a race, there's three hundred and six two combinations. Now you just to figure out an exact a combination. You just take the total number of runners in the field, multiply it by one less. So if there's eighteen horses, you measure eight Erie Times, eighteen by seventeen, get three, hundred six. Three hundred and sixty two combinations. If the Derby Gate went with a full field of twenty. The number of combinations jumps all the way up to three hundred eighty. It goes up by seventy four. which is just a shade under. Think under yeah. twenty percent. So it's about nineteen percent more eighteen nineteen percent more combinations with just two more horses. Isn't that nuts? TRIFECTA is same thing. Eighteen horses there's four thousand eight. Hundred Ninety six TRIFECTA combinations. That's how much it would cost you for a dollar to box the whole field twenty horses they're six, thousand, eight, hundred and forty trifecta combinations. Again there's a there's just under two thousand more combinations. So a huge huge amount, even though eighteen sounds like a crazy amount of horses right still is I mean that's still a lot of combinations and way more than we see in a given race you know given nine horse field there. Seventy, two combinations of exactness. which is kind which just goes to show you to also because in nine horse field, there's going to be you know. Generally there's going to be a few combinations that pay way more than seventy dollars, but there's GonNa be a lot that pay less than part of that's the takeout and also because you know the ones that are favourite half more people betting them, what have you but yeah, eighteen horses, there's three hundred and six exact combos and twenty three hundred, Eighty Combo. So it just goes to, and of course, those extra two horses might not take a ton of money but I guarantee you that every exact a combination the Kentucky Derby has covered many many many multiple times. So you're exacto with second choice over fifth choice. It's GONNA pay significantly less likely of course, know with the law and their obviously maybe skews things a little bit towards those those top combinations but there's just less combinations for that money to spread around and I. Think it's something interesting to to think about you know we love the Derby we're GonNa, talk all about the Derby. We love the oaks we're GonNa talk all about the but. A friendly reminder to you know we we get. So tied into these big races and and I'm just as guilty as anybody. But. If your opinions are stronger in the early part of the card or you really are in love with something in the you know in the the the Woodford turn when we call it nowadays, the Yum. Turf I forget whatever the turf race before. or the Churchill bound sprint or whatever it is. Like you know if the if that's where your opinions are stronger, that's where your money should be represented in You know it doesn't need to all you know be tied up in the Derby, and of course, it's fun about the Derby and we love it and everything like that. But you want to go where your opinions are the best and maybe where your opinions and the most contrarian and the chance to maximize your profits. So if you're against his the law, if you think he's a total toss from the race. I don't know how you can quite figure that. But you know I know when we talked to emily the other day you know she was saying she was thinking maybe there was a chance at regression second time a mile. But if you're thought is that look? Tis. The Laws I don't I I I just don't think that far ahead of everybody and I'm GonNa toss him out of my exact. Then I would argue that the Derby is a great place to try to make money because now you're taking horses likely going to have thirty or forty percent of the win pool and and a big percentage of the exact trifecta pools and he's not on your tickets. If you're right, you're likely to get paid for it. So but if your opinion is typical on art. Collector. Maybe you're shopping around for other races on the card to try and you know kind of maximize the the hundred, two, hundred, three, hundred, four, hundred, five, hundred dollars that you're. Going to put into play possibly that day so Always, a good thing to remember is we come into big days because I know we're all hyped about the big races and all that but you still want to put yourself in the best chances in positions to maximize your capital, and like I said, it could be the Derby could be other races on the card. Of course, it will still be a churchill downs you've gotta you gotTa Bet Chill. Shadow to the sponsors. Let's begin a bet churchill. Let's take a short time out. We come back. We're going to look at that opening day card some interesting racist at a few different spots. So we'll talk about that here on the other side of this break, it is a Tuesday edition of the drinks and be racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. The Jason Beam voicing podcast brought to you by twin spires is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation join host Jason has discusses racing from around the country interviews, jockeys, trainers, media personality, and horse players. Every Monday through Friday, the show can be found twinspires.com or on Itunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason. Beam horseracing racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Twin spires not only operas the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device but we also have great offers for our players. visit twin spires dot com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick four bonuses to win Sheri- thoroughbred to harness. We have present promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers took find out what offers are available to you all right back here on the Jason Beam racing podcast brought to you by twin spires and look ahead to the opening day under the twin spires card coming up here I was. Last night I started watching Cobra Kai. I don't know if you guys seen that it's the. Karate kid like series remake that was on Youtube last year. Now, netflix's bought it It's like. It's almost nostalgia overload for someone who grew up in the eighties and early nineties, but it's actually really well done like I. I'm completely digging it. I. Don't have the best taste in television or or music or anything like that like I try not to be a music or TV or movies snob because I like some horrible. Versions of all three. But. It's pretty good if you like the karate kid movies I feel like you'll you'll get a kick out of the The Cobra Kai thinks up little little recommendation here to kick off the second part of the show. But of course, the opening day program at Churchill smaller fields early on in the card. But later on some really enticing races I think. I thought it was pretty interesting Jason Barclay and his Dad Jeff squaring off literally the first two horses in the program in race one. Are from the the Barclays, a ten thousand dollar claiming event and it's affiliates in mayors three year olds and up which have never won three or. Phillies. So if you have a three year old filly, they could've won as many as they wanted to however everyone in the race is a non winner of three lifetime. So the condition although it was only if you had a really good three year, old filly wanted put in for ten. You, you could have gotten them here, but I was Kinda thinking this race actually might be a a single type race. As far as the number four proudly fought for Benji Larue, who you know they claim this horse for five, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two out of a very big win in the horse went gay to wire that day and then they they tried the horse on the turf and it went okay. The first time it didn't go that great last time neither time the horse was able to get to lead sprinting and. There's other speed in here but it's the number one just fly who I don't think has. that. Great of speed I think just got to the lead in a pretty easy early pace last time down at Ellis. Park. And so I have a feeling that this one proudly fought is gonNA maybe get sent a little bit harder and I didn't I mean figures to be just those two upfront early I mean I guess you could make a case that the six could be somewhat forwardly placed, but I just didn't think it was going to be all that taxing of a pace. I. Thought proudly fought might offer. Eight to five in the morning for just fly probably fought I, think the odds gap should be closer than that. So if it's not and it plays out to wear those two are kind of the to to me it's a race where I probably Probably go for a single. They're very interesting second race on the Card Maiden Special Weight Event Ninety seven thousand dollars up for grabs, but a mile and a quarter on the dirt. Derby distance and I think part of it is if I remember right I could be wrong on this because there's only a seven Horsfield but I think maybe they're trying out the nude starting gate as a little bit of a test run for this one that could again could be total horse puppy but I think that that's a little bit of of maybe why they're running a mile and a quarter race just to get the practice of doing it and getting it out of the way you know we talked with Churchill Starter. Got It would have been last spring because I was at Monmouth. I remember when we did it in the hotel and so it would have been over on the bed America show but Starter Scott Jordan and we talked about that nerves of you know not only do they have the nerves of making the start getting the race up and they have to get out of the way after that and so we talk. You know. So be curious to see if that's kind of what this is but. For handicapping perspective obviously, nobody is gone this distance. It's a rare distance on dirt. However, the one Mulberry Street did run a mile and three sixteenths at Churchill on the dirt which is Interesting and you know ran far and away the best race of its life. This one is ten to one in the morning line which I thought was kind of interesting and. You know. The last race, they tried the grass and it just didn't go well but man I, mean the the movement from that first race to the second race you know going longer the speed figuring proven and just the general race improvement I mean makes you think that this one has to be somewhere in the ballpark because the other horses that are kind of quote unquote contenders. Aren't really that far ahead of that effort, the favouritism role, the number three leading west, who's five two on the line. and. You know this one has had nine chances, four second place finishes, and these type of horses will break through sometimes and win but they got this horse on turf bunch. Now, a couple of the dirt efforts have been pretty good So it seems like this might be preferred surface, but you know the big long stretch out and having run on turf. The last couple of times never run a church Churchill I thought there was just enough reasons to to kind of dislike this one and then. I'm sure you need to study the breeding stuff. You know I'm a big Al Stall Fan he has the number four. Jack loves, Nova who rent six in the debut and Kinda was making up a little bit of ground took some money I have to think they think this one has a little bit of an ability. You know whether munnings sources are screaming for a mile and a quarter. You'll have to do the research on that. But I just thought there was a few different ways to maybe go against the favourite who you know. I. Thought There was a few question marks at and the distance I think is just a real. you know kind of a wrench in the in the spoke. So to speak what's the term? What's you know? I can't remember I got I need have a list of like Goto anecdotes for my my stupid. Spiel, here, a third race on the car at a made event put this one, four, thirty, thousand dollars clamours that'd be at six and a half furlongs sprinting Steve Aspen has a big class dropper here in frost prayer and. You know so often. Maiden claimer, this is what you run into. Right it's IT'S A it's a hodge podge mix of of big droppers of some first-time starters, and then you know a few who've just kind of this is their level and and this is where they need to be at thought the number seven smooth music who they did put information forty thousand and ran a pretty decent race at that level. Now, gets a little relief the number eight a Khuda for the storm. Oh I, feel like he's had a kind of quiet year but he's a positive Roi on the year that was kind of interesting i. just you know he hasn't had the the the superstars so to speak, but there's a lot of second time stars to me. This was a race I had very little feel for and. You know I, I, know when when I'm up against it from a you know I think we all have that right there some races that you seem to have a good sense four and others you don't, and there is no law that says you have to play this race and and so I would be in the the passing situation You know the fourth race on the card. It's the champions, day marathon overnight stakes at a mile and a half on the main track. There are a couple of horses in here with mile and a half experience. Of course Sir Winston we know his mile and a half experience was winning the Belmont stakes. What a peculiar last you know basically twenty twenty this horse has had I remember when they ran him in the woodchopper and he ran last all the way around on grass so. They abandoned that the put him in an option lady aqueduct and he looked like you know a total monster there was a pretty decent contested pace that day though I mean forty eight and one doesn't sound all that fashion remember that's The act outer in the middle of winter they don't necessarily fly on that surface. So it was a contestant pace that Dan remember the horse broke from the two hole. He had a huge optics plot square and perfect setup that day. And you got four to one but you know they then they tried him in the flat out sloppy runs. Okay. Bein Moretti and then last time just a total total. Horrid effort just last all the way round never picked up his feet. That was the race tacitus won the suburban. At. Belmont and I mean I didn't know what to make of him. You know he's he's run at Churchill once and know didn't really fire. But you know at a short price. I. Just don't want question marks. I, know the distance for him is not a question mark here but. It's just been a weird campaign he certainly not in his Peter Pan Belmont form You know his best efforts are that far behind it but then again I don't know that the rest of the fields are either easy. Shot is a horse that can put up these numbers core belief another one who last out just ran a total stinker and on his best day you know can can run okay. Rated r superstar he's you know he's been at the distance wants and it didn't hit the board to me. He's just the kind of horse that know he needs a long stretch, which is good. He's going to get that here at Churchill. He just always seems to wind up and then just not quite finished the job you have to go back quite a ways to the Essex, his last win and. You know I just I just can't foresee it now rise the guy on the inside. The this is not a racist blessed with a lot of speed. This horse is a turf force. Primarily, has run on fast tracks never been off the board but hasn't won but to me looks like complete loan controlling speed and it just looks like everybody else in the race wants to kind of set up for him. I wouldn't be surprised if the five Eskin for it may be sends a little bit chantal, Sutherland who had on the show a little while ago is on board and I just think that this one at least has a little bit of tactical speed gone a mile and a sixteenth, the pace, a mile, and a half race figures to be much much softer. But This was a peculiar but fun little race easy shot to me look like maybe the one who you know might be the the price play in this one but it was a it's a tricky one to court. I could make an argument for core beliefs to make an argument for a number of them. Don't like it super raw superstar at all in the wind, and if you want me to put one in the winter circle, I just did for you that's on the card and other meetings, special event and this one on the grass course at at Churchill downs the seven furlong grass course Churchill. So this race starting you know down at the eighth pulse of there's plenty of run toward the the first turn, and you know number of first time starters in here. I think kind of just a fun race. It kicks off the late pick five, two and. Talking about you know sequences and and how they structure I would not be surprised if this is a race where a lot of people spread in there is a Brad Cox I or that has been working very good and they spent a lot of money on I don't follow the workout reports but I would not be surprised if this one may be has some steam and opens up at a short price to one morning. Line on the debut the Hot Horse Ice Queen ran a pretty big one on debut at big price Another one who's GonNa take a lot of money but you know it's a big field. It's the first leg of a big sequence laid a lot of people they just like to be alive through that first leg. So if you really do love the first or loved one of the other horses for that matter. Maybe, it works as a little bit of a contrarian ticket just kinda go against but I think the and the other reason I think that. It might be a good idea to spread there because I think that races seven and eight in particular but also six is pretty decent but seven and eight I think in particular are going to be racist where you know there's a lot of contenders in those races and I think a lot of people are gonNA, WanNa go DEEPA LS ESINO IS A. Scary dropper right is coming out of allowance Louisiana of all places and one at one to five. But prior to that run for twelve five was claimed by Diadora, saw Diodoros got a little ding yesterday in the Thurber Daily News for some overtures at Oaklawn but. You know the the horses is certainly figures to be prominent. Early on is a big big square at on the optics plot in the first quadrant, which is always a good thing to be, and certainly we'll get a lot of attention for eminem and company I thought night disruptor is also going to be up front early on though and so. You know with that horse? Being Pretty Darn speedy. The rail being a little bit speedy. I thought it could kinda shape up for someone to come off the pace and I guess my best pick for that was the number eight sharp art who's dropping in class quite a bit cutting back a little bit and distance which. I think kind of the preferred trip and you know it's a real lifetime low in terms of class, and so if they do come back to this one, you know that's one of the things I like with Churchill where if they really do go at it and dual these the stretch runners have a long stretch to to come and get them seventy on the car to me. This was kind of my favorite race on the card for a few reasons one. I mean you can make a case for a Lotta horses, but it's just kind of one of those fun. You know dirt route races where There's a of names that you kind of know and I was trying to kind of figure out the puzzle of okay. WHO's going to be up front and I think it's going to be the four in the five street Indian Fort Peck possibly the one Charlie's angel a Charlie's arch angel drawing the rail in the mile and a sixteenth dirt races a Churchill I just have to think that you know first off the claim this one. Is going to send and I thought this one could be a sneaky wire-to-wire candid even though there is some other speed in here but like st to India's not a need, the lead type and four peck is not a need the type even though they figure to be close up. So I I was real intrigued with that one as a possible steel job I thought the six was an interesting longshot arrival for Ingrid Mason. her horses always. So prime for that Oakland, meet this horse ran wanted. Ellis for Optional Forty and ran pretty decently finished third but I gotta think the screws are going to be a little bit tighter here second off the layoff and Ingrid is eighteen percent second off the offs. So I thought maybe a possible interesting runner the motto Horse Prompt is is ninety two in the morning lights, Johnny vn Motte, and so you know Stopping class little bit. You know the horses going GonNa take a lot of money and Harvey Wall Banger I. He's just he's run good at churchhill before and so that's certainly good part of Casey, such an all or nothing horse though and if you know at a short price I'd rather hoped for nothing than the all the eighth race on the card a again I thought racist seven eight in particular were were really really interesting and. And ones where I think people are GonNa WanNa Spread Matija runner is the favourite in here three to one and I don't like the source at all to me that made this race much much more intriguing Tisza. Runner is switching from the Carlos David Barn, which is a very hot barn down at Gulfstream. You might not know about twenty four percent from ninety four starts goes to Brian. Lynch is a very solid trainer, but I've just always leery of Gulfstream, shippers in general especially if they're coming out of high percentage barnes like that so. I was way. The horses in very solid form has two wins and a second from the last four starts in between the head of fourth against better and so you know fits. But the to me, there's enough question marks to where it's Kenley. Giving to steer away from that, I like the seven, Golden Dragon I think the most getting some big class relief after a horrendous start in the Kentucky downs preview that's going a mile and a quarter over soft turf and the Horse was backed out of it by second call. So you know you see the. Eleventh Beaten Sixty one and it's easy to get worked up north of fifty eight to one that day I mean this is not a you know that was an eleven or eleven horse race. You know talented field before that run against admission office and are Clo-, and those types gets back to the level. I think that he should be at and and Mike Maker sometimes is a little tricky with these these ones, and so I I, wouldn't be surprised if Golden Dragon a bit of a price up in and runs a big one final race on the car and I thought. It was flat out hard You know the Rail Hor subliminal criminal is dropping in class bit but was running in turf and prior to that on an off the turf mile race. Then it prior to that was turf way mile. So it's peculiar to me that this one is showing up at six and a half on the main track and so I didn't think that maybe this was the. Exact. Right spot. Just Kenny mcpeek probably know more about his horses than old Jas I'm GonNa Guess. He does I'm GONNA give Kenny the benefit of the out. But again, as Emily said the other day when she was on with us and as I say all the time you know when it comes to favorites, we want try to poke holes in them and we want to look for other alternatives. I thought you could make a case for quite a few in here. Actually critic was one coming from Indiana. I thought was a little bit interesting the five money for mischief. So big price I think's GONNA become role in late The ten digital star is is is one of the top choices and and makes a lot of sense to me and then actually the twelve Riches I don't think you're going to get twelve to one. But if you do or get close to it, I'd be real intrigued because the maiden win it mountaineer and the Second Bell Tariff for allow. It's now obviously those are lesser circuits but then jumping all the way up to allowance on the grass last time to me was just not the right call for this one you know after. You. Know we'll is a fifteen thousand nine to allowance at Bell Tara Com comparable to a twenty, thousand, nine to Churchill. Churchill's much tougher circuit but. Really all of this horses dirt races were pretty damn decent and I just think that there's no reason that this horse can't. Even. Even running a race back to that race Bell Tara or the at Mountaineer I think puts his horse ahead of a lot of these ones and I don't think I'm the only one is going to see that. So that's why I don't think you're GONNA get twelve to one and you have to you know when you're handicapping, you can't assume that the morning line maker is going to be correct you know you have to. Trust how you think the odds are going to play out and compare and contrast with your chance you think the horses going to run well, and if you're getting a price that you're satisfied with, let's roll. Anyways, just quick look at the opening day cards should be a fun one again tomorrow or Kentucky Oaks Roundtable Gino Who Cola PD yellow and myself we will discuss the contenders will discuss the pretenders. We'll discuss all of it derby round table coming up on Thursday and undercard preview on Friday Thanks so much for listening by all means emails, Jason. 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Episode 74:Alabama, Pegasus, Fourstardave

Racing Rundown: A Horse Racing Podcast

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Episode 74:Alabama, Pegasus, Fourstardave

"All right. So we are back this episode number seventy four on racing run on a few races to get to from last week before we get into pretty packed weekend of stakes, races back to the usual del Mar Saratoga. Graded stakes races for a weekend but we're first going to get into as we always do the action from last weekend. But as we always get to first, we're going to get to the maiden segment. We do every week Eric talking about some of the standout two year olds from last weekend. Very. Good. We probably the best weekend we've seen a terms of impressive winners of the two biggest standouts I won't focus on as much as I feel like everyone's heard about them from the Steve asking cinnabar Saturday to Colts calibrates in Sunday's affiliate cantata votes won by open links very impressively at Saratoga. They're both headed for great ones a calibrate for the Bruce. Charity most likely I came Tober and Cantata the present of two talented of torture obviously trying to who knows how to get the job done. But. The other ones I really want to focus on that they worked talked about that much all-star with the philly inject who won on Saturday Ellis. Park This is I really don't know why this really has not gotten more attention She's trained by Stanley Hub. WHO's a very talented trainer super. Highly regarded of, but a very good at what he does and this silly is out of appealing opie. winning. Married at this point. WHO's acting damn tapper the Belmont winner a couple years ago she bite roster the person two year old man frost of his stallion career, and that pedigree makes her a three quarter sibling to to Belmont winner and inject was breaker maiden going five for. That's just kind of tells you that we're looking at a very good filly your she is a. Two horse was ray-ban winner going a mile and a half. If you at five furlongs, there's no telling what she can do and it's not like you beat them by half link she won by six extremely impressive very easy. Win here for this billy. I couldn't tell you what's next for her, but just is never going to be a problem for her based off aggregate. I mean her pedigree screams distance it. She was able to win. I. One of the shortest distances cure can race that's beyond unimpressive into do without first asking which like three-quarters sibling Tabart wasn't even able to to he was A. Was One. That took a long time to go. This is a really really got it going early on in her career. So inject of for for Stanley we've run by doing labor certainly wanted to watch and the other horse is one on the grass at Saratoga Cope public sector a first time starter Chad Brown obviously Chad, Brown on the grass never going wrong with a very impressive win stay on the day one by two lakes and. you by in who also desire really Tim Cyrus in connections as the Serotonin Derby winner. Domestic spending will obviously talk about a little bit but I mean, those are all positive signs very professional win and we know Chad Brown can do a lot of damage on the grasp but these young horses. So public sector. Going down the road into the fall. There's a lot of good opportunities for him on the grassy wouldn't be surprised if you can think of steak one or two in in in the near future. And we'll actually get into that Saratoga. Derby right about now the winner of that race was domestic spending as has already been mentioned trained by Chad Brown written by Iradar tease. The Usual Combo that takes all the turf races Toga decorated invaded disappointed. But you know if I think if you've pulled people who played this race, neither of the two horses were winners I'm sure a lot of people probably would have said. The Chad Brown horse domestic spending would be able to get the wind is a nice win for him I know Eric's GonNa have some laments that Guffaw was not able to get up late in the race. Decorate invader. We'll get to in a few minutes and we talk about buy sell when we're talking about our by on hold for this weekend. Obviously not what you wanted to see from him but you know, I'm not pushing the panic button. So I'm not going to give too much away but. It would decorate invader I think that he'll definitely next start rebound it'd be somewhat Yeah. This is a fun race I mean it was a fun finished a domestic spending. I would really cautious about picking him because he'd obviously eaten by decorated Batur last but I was I knew he was dangerous because it's Chad Brown and sure enough. He got the job done at the end of the day. I'm the so disappointed that Kuffour didn't win this race. Personally. Because I just love the Horse I. Mean that's this I really loved him since Gulfstream this. Up I'm really glad expand to be good horse but. John Blazquez himself you said in the post race interview that if he didn't hit the horse left handed down, the stretch probably wins but he did in Nog horse kind of drifted out a little lead in that probably cost mistrial the stride I would've done him to the wire I but still a great second hand what I was saying the race was. A. Good thing for him is that. Division the only racist I mean, the biggest racist coming up for him from this point on going longer than I mean you've finished so strong going a mile and. Three sixteenths at I can only be better on a mile and a quarter clown half todd pletcher. You'll really good finished third and fourth. They were eating less than a length apiece decorated. We'll talk about that was disappointing. Little Weird for Adams, one on the odds for but diggity a lot better than he gets for him to run. I might have been a distance thing at the end of the US doing his best work going a Mile Mouna sixteen so that might have been it but I. More him in this spot. And we're going to get to obviously the big race from this weekend. The grade one Alabama Milena quarter of the greatest stage left for phillies going a mile and a quarter in the United States and what can you say about Smith Skydiver that hasn't already been said I'm going to focus a little bit on. Several comments that I have for Swiss skydiver as a horse obviously Kenny mcpeek front of the show. I've had the pleasure being able to interview him and get to know him so very happy for him to have a horse of the caliber Swiss skydiver who was completely off our radar we talked to him back in February but with getting to Swiss skydiving no, I'm kind of piggyback off a point that anti sterling made this weekend. But you know you gotta give Swiss skydiver all credit. You know a lot of courses definitely dealt with the pandemic, obviously, not as much as pizza people in the racing industry, but Swiss skydiver has definitely been affected by it in every race. Every race she's rain but only once in the last six races that she ran, she has had the same jockey and that was going from the sanity. Okay. In the bluegrass where she retained like Smith for both of those races but going back to the fairgrounds, oaks to the Rachel Alexandra stakes. She had Brian Hernandez June your swapped Opoku for the Gulfstream Park Oaks and then went back to Brian Hernandez junior for the fantasy. Then I mention how the to Mike Smith effort rides and then this past week and a tire gasoline. So four different jockeys over the course of six races really got to give her credit because you runs for everyone and she's also run at six different racetracks in those stakes races and She's one. Obviously she has the winds the to grade the Gulfstream Park's and Santa Anita oaks the fantasy, and now she has her first grade one win and even prior to that she she's only run at the same track back to back once and that was early as a two year old churchill down so really Swiss skydiver. Package she's been running everywhere can't knock her because she runs for any jockey that rides her and we've seen her basically do everything. So you gotta give her the credit for being able to handle all the rigors she's been through with the different riders and with going all over the country. So I don't have any negatives to save skydiver at home. Either I need the craziest part is that. This is A. Great one I mean the fantasy, the sandy oaths gotree. You'd figure I mean one of those. accused. Back they downgraded it's different conversation but the fact that Ed for such a talented Dillard just now. It's just a little funny and it's also funny to me that she's going to be one of the favorites in the Kentucky Oaks. If not, the favorites top topped betting heavily bet at that the horizon that they had it written her last three races kind of going along with the whole you know jockey. Carousel, there's this all over the place, but she's been able to do it every time. So upgrade she is a, it also helps that she loves churchill downs are already a winner over it and as for this race to dominate she, she's just so impressive distanced on issues she she handled it all easily raise setup very nicely for her. She's just top-class really runs underneath though I was we got to give body south credit to will. She did I think a lot of people. Surprised considering a lot of people I saw talking about her actually run. Finish while at least and she sure up getting. Second Harvest Little. She's still rent a pretty good thirty even though I. A, grass going nice run. Just point run from the likes of crystal-ball Spices Nice we'll touch on later but. At the end of the day, none of them, we're going to get even touch suicide. Impressive win. And of course, we're going to get to the last of the stakes from Sara Togo before we move on and talk about the Pegasus stakes at. MONMOUTH, we're getting to Antunez who. Has, been, cycling through DIRT TURF I, think it's pretty safe to say she earned her her spot on the grass this weekend disappointing efforts from. The European imports and then from a Nola game, speak to me a summer as a very weird race over both of these the three year old grass races this weekend had a bit of weird outcomes but again, like I mentioned gotTa Give Credit to Antoinette I think she finally found a where she wants to be. For sure I mean sugars. Grasp performance I appreciate I mean I wouldn't expect anything less from to integrate separates on. Velazquez Philmont to realize that pay. She's been up close enough. We know that she can steal it on the league. If that's if no one else really goes crazy and tries to do that. Cheated on a Nola gay he really took himself I. Mean there though he thought he could get the lead Antoinette came up, took his billy back. It was game over from the never looked comfortable after that A. When you gotTA look for next time out because I choose teasing easily you know lost all chance when she when she got to be personal when purely to snap her style, the runner up studying skyro-. Another good race out of that's bigger doing what he goes running extremely well, and these brass raises I've added sooner than later will see your step up and win one of these big stakes for the Phillies on the Grass Antoinette. That's the story here. Obviously none of the favorites fire of A. was, downright precedent you can. I can only imagine. You only that long and finish a strong kid. and. The last week we're going to talk to from last week is legally three picks the final derby prep and this race did push to one of the horses that I thought was a really nice horse going in, did push him in the Derby but ultimately, it looks like he's not even going to go to the Kentucky Derby just kind of disappointing because I really liked all the efforts that I've. Gotten from pneumatic this year his to efforts in stakes races where even though the map Wayne was agreed three race I. I consider that far more quality than this race that he was running in the Pegasus but you know finally he gets a bit of a class drop in he showed that he is worst it does have some real talent again congrats to our friend joke Robbo another big weekend for. Some of our show friends but you know good run from him. Also Nice run underneath from his team. He's always been really intriguing and you know depending on how it shakes out with some of the other horses we could see him in the Kentucky Derby. But even if we don't, it was a good second place for Hayes uses team again, you know he would probably just be one of those sources of filler place but fits in good for the connections and good for the horse because he did run a good race. In this Pegasus stakes. Medic he's really. Extremely disrespected for what you've done coming obviously, the odds did not reflect that but nobody's really talking about this source and I don't really know why you're fourth in the Beaumont behind derp Singer in Chew Gary Intriguing Derby launch to clear Dr Poaching forth there before that nine maxine who easily top five three old this year if he wasn't injured in your traffic is the Derby Wise Guy at this stage in the game so. Really don't get why nobody wants to talk about in the preakness he's going to be a tribute plan. Simple is gonNA happen ample time in between races to get ready we already know based off in this performance he can win off the small layoff and just really huge I. mean that's that's what you'd hope to see. While obviously. It's a little annoying. Aren't seen him in that are the best word. It'd be a bit of a factor. At the other day, he's still a tree or STI-. Appreciate the connections doing the best by the worst but they think is best for and he's just a scene that was the second he's still improving. At. The end of the day whether the connection WanNa pay the supplemental feeder running in the Derby because. Based out things are looking right now you've probably will get code could get points but. I'd be a little surprised to see them pay supplemental bureau because I hope they have the they'd realize that there was not much pant obviously Durban the experience alone could be a once in a lifetime opportunity. And this is actually just provided good segue into the second edition of by selling hold. Both of us are going to analyze performances from this week I'll horses that we like we're going to buy in or we're going to sell horses. We're GONNA hold on the Horse and I'm going to buy from this weekend is pneumatic. There were some questions about whether or not he would be able to get it done at least in my head. Not, not, burning questions because I was fairly confident that he would be able to win this race. But now that he's wanted and won the race, the way that he did you're being geared down in the end I would have definitely been seriously considering him for an underneath use the Derby, and now that they're going right straight to the preakness, definitely going to highly highly consider him. So hundred percent buying a pneumatic up out of that performances weekend really liked what I saw from him. I think that's one I. I'm laughing at myself a little bit with my Bible sweet because I don't couple months late on this one and I fully admit and it's and. It's like. It's. A very much linked to the party was just a Jack. Jack talking before the show. We, he put it best that other kind of just giving my tone in every time I arrive, and now I'm finally just jumping entirely into the pool. She's not hasn't turned up turnip hair wrong and she just she knows how to win. That's all you've got for from top level four. So I. got a great works now, obviously super late to the party but beverly late. And the horse it I'm going to be selling on is one of the runners from the Alabama Crystal Wall. There will definitely be in other words on year. More notable that will be sold but I'm going to take crystal ball here. I thought that was a disappointing effort. In. The Alabama I'm not gonNA say that she's not a horse that could definitely couldn't win races but going forward I just don't think that she's a contender to win some of these top races. And I'm going to be taking another Philly coming out of the Alabama I'm taking spices nice which it's hard for me to do because I really liked the I think she's awesome. I personally everybody has their favorite horses that they gravitate towards. This is one of them for me but obviously, there's a personally i. think it's a mental thing. I think there's something there's a hurdle she needs to get over because he's Kinda shown in these in some of Orissa that could not one hundred percent there yet you know in the game. The other day she this is such a tough crop of three year old fillies and it's not going to get much easier to become the four year old and I never see her being wonder breakthrough at the top level and went so unfortunately. For Her Erasing unfortunately, I don't have ever winning wannabees wanting these top level races have to sell by his nice and I'm going to hold on one of the three year old fillies from the Saratoga Oaks this week and I'm going to hold on a again like we mentioned Eric mentioned already with her. Maybe a bit of a tactic issue with Jose Ortiz. I think both of the top American horses from these the Air Togo Saratoga. Derby don't want to push the panic button on yet one. Off The board performance but I think the show rebound in her next reason be able to run better than that effort. And I'm going to be holding on Masirah Tokyo Derby decorated vader. I don't think that's a hardwood theater. In all honesty and Are Not. I'm not GonNa you know fast. For this but I just have a thing with whenever I seem to. Pingelera. Sorry. Something seems to go wrong. It's just kind of a you know a running joke but. I didn't like that he kinda got aggressive in a race where there wasn't a lot of early speed. You tried to put his horse in the game early on that really just took about Zelma kind of wake and all the gate with Jose were teasing in the. Door a little too aggressive early on and I think. That kind of turned the race on its side for this horse like next time out, you'd probably GonNa step up in distance around this distance and he's going to get out lot nicer trip and it's GonNa be nice bounce back performance from I. Don't obviously wasn't the best source on the day ready next time we're going to see a bunch. The decorating available that we've seen earlier on in the summer that was very dominant in this division. and. Now, we're going to move on and talk about braces coming up this weekend we got three graded stakes at del Mar. we're going to start with a grade to del Mar handicap. This features the return of united who won three grade. This year already got a preview of this out on Youtube stuff you. More detail for me on this than definitely head over there to check it out. But I will be very brief and what I said United I think I don't want to say he towers over this field, but I think united is better than most of their horses in here he's proven to be consistent and has does have some very quality wins and very quality placing so checks all the boxes for me. So I went with united here was I couldn't find a reason to go against him. The United's are very good pig on top and I don't think many people would disagree I think I. will also go with someone top as well. However, there are a couple of names I have to throw hundred because there a lot of value to be found underneath you got a lot of Nice horses outside of this anti United's not on a game. He's could be excellent substitutes on top I'll start. With the six proud Pedro. Home King Canaan coming into this race often allowance when last time. It just seemed like he needed a bit of a freshening off of whatever happened in that recent may but more distance a better for this foresees two of his last races have been wins going a mile and a quarter mile and three eighths. This race is a mile and three. So it's right wheelhouse distance wise and that was Omar he does like this track that was his first win over the travelers in ice went in close into a really slow payback. So the really impressive last amount. I wouldn't be surprised to seem replicate that in Rumbek here another horse to seven read came up I don't take some good money because he did win the San Juan Capistrano in June very aggressively distances non issue with this with this cold pedigree allies no question why with with the English Channel Desire APD that the dam sire obviously tons of this instant wonders last two or distance better He's very consistent at the margin number one, but you sit the board at six in the tries. Over the service in. Fielding a motto using very strong in this race. He's one of the handful times at the last two years. So that's one thing I do like get it on police obviously, right very nice and the last horse I will mention elementary to more quickly Oscar to me guess improve from the L. Horn run last time outwear Iran for that humid but he use a winner at del Mar at Bryn extinct so that that does bo-bo print entertainer. Coal to almost one the Charles quitting to starts back at the end of the day united on top. But underneath I will use the six in the Senate crowd. Pedro. Red King and those other two you can consider as well. And the next race that we're going to get to is a mile and an eighth. Race also on the turf, the grade one, del Mar Oaks I to grade ones this brings the return of Laurel light on the San Clemente. Last time at del Mar prior to that one hall, the honeymoon excuse me at Santa Anita on the thirtieth of May and she is also a three time greatest six grade great three the sweet life back in February at Santa Anita and then also was second in the. Jimmy. Durant. Last year at del Mar and was listed stake winner on the twenty ninth of December. So lots of consistency with Laura's like she's never been off the board. Aqua seafoam shame is a horse that definitely A lot of people are going to look at and look at her maiden score where she scored over both. Venetian harbor and speech and be intrigued by her but the thing with her is you know if you've seen from her races, those have been going one turn five furlongs she's a rocket but the question with her would be, would she be able to carry it? I wouldn't think she'd be able to carry it this far another horse I also do like underneath is the second place finisher from the San Clemente last time out so. Those would be the three that I would want to highlight again like. Shape in this racist because I don't think that should be able to go that far. But I do think that Laura's like the ten is a really nice villain. I'm looking to see her get her first career. Great one this weekend. Laura's like the that's been the model of consistency. She's it's obvious why she's just winds and winds and no matter the distance to winter all on the turf. Obviously she's just so good and it will city has done a great job with giving us an excellent rides. Nelson very nice from any last time out however. I'm going to take my shot I like to take my shots against favorites especially when there's a worse like I'm going to take last didn't work out well, pick an import first time American trainer, but I think it might just be I'm going to go with the three extra. Building was on A. Winning streak including a group to and France earlier on in the year and then was ninth in the French oaks of the Diana's they call it over there knows it doesn't tremendously tough group and distance with a little bit too far fake She's a three time winner going a mile, but that's stiff mile over in Europe, it's probably closer to what's your face it this time round, this eighth tested one big thing about this race there's a lot of early speed Boras light obviously is going to be up there but aquacise form shame she's like Decca she's she's going to be up early on running with them even other were like the six trickle in in the park. Hort they all like to be on the leaf, and that that that means that the pace is probably going to be hot extra is closer umberto expose aboard is this a lot thinks you might be able to do here I'm hopeful that Mandela will have already first time in the US. He does have good percent with a courses shipping into his barn on the other horse I like this is just to my warned showtime during the San. Clemente. Last time out, he's going to have the set of clothes into just a question of it's good enough but I'm GonNa take my shot with miss extra we can be however I'd be more like a must use underneath. And the final race we're going to talk about from del Mar is the Pacific classic and I'm going to reserve a lot of the words that I would have for this race and I will just say, no if you don't if you want to get to, you know some of the great ones at Saratoga this is the exact same race as the San Diego Handicap I do not feel bad saying that made court higher power maximum-security, same top three, I don't care about the three other horses that are different underneath. The Argentinian bred I'm sure has been getting talked about a lot and I'm desperate to use a horse against any of the top during this race has been stated already I want no part of firepower mid core or maximum security in any great at stake race, but it's just looking more and more like it's impossible to go against any of those three. So again, once again, like hard swallowing really hard, I want no part of maximum security. At all but you you gotta say he's the Horse that is going to win. This race is going to get another I don't WANNA say undeserved grade sake. But on other graded stakes at least for me doesn't really mean anything because he's running into same as he ran against last time and the same horse midcourt that he barely beat. So not nice things save on maximum security but unfortunately, I got to go with him on top. Yeah it's it's this. It's an annoying race. That's all it is the one case. I'M NOT GONNA pick not be on top, but I will say this is going to be interesting with the inclusion of dark vader Iran It's going to be midcourt maximum security one to but dark vader Michael of their impresses well, I don't like mid court in this race because I don't think he's a mile and a quarter horse I feel like that you know the mildest sixteenth and Milena Nature's way more wheelhouse he's done really tired of his two mile and a quarter efforts and Waldo maximum security probably the most logical winter and I I beat this this these horses once. I've take I'M GONNA go higher power I. didn't like what happened in. San Diego when Pratt rush come up I didn't like tap ut's there I think if he can sit a smarter trade if he can take his time and he can lead likely top three go out they're in do their thing that's insecurity court in dark vader have can fourth to. Three or four links off them I? Think he can make a big run here. Is defending champion that he doesn't know how to win over the course of the end, the distance that is another nice thing about it, but I really have just trying to find a way to be maximum security. From a value standpoint but also just I, I just need some talk to die down. So now we're going to move on and get to the first of two great ones that we're going to talk about from Saratoga. This week in the first is the four star Dave win and you're in for the breeders. Cup Mile same conditions obviously a mile on the turf at Saratoga, and if you're a person who likes to bet, Chad Brown horses, this is definitely the race for you. There's four Chad Brown horses that are all. Really. Highly touted horses. Three of them are grade one winners in the United States and. Without, parole has won a group one internationally at Ascott. So definitely, a four highly touted chat brown horses. There's also the Philly got stormy who won this race last year and a couple of interesting horses underneath the Chads and Got Stormy but ultimately for me with this race the three the Chad. Brown horses were a little bit concerning for me I. Didn't like the efforts that I got last out from valid point and without parole I said at the time I was going to give me another chance but ultimately, I think of the four raging bull is the one that I trust the most coming out of his race he only. Only, beating a very narrow margin in the maker's Mark Mile at Keeneland I thought his effort in the shoemaker mile is really nice his prior start this you're coming off a pretty significant layoff. I'm he was second the four star Dave last year. So I'm going pick him to come through in here and get his win his second grade one of the year in this race. Your very wide open race obviously. They're going to go to the Chad Brown quartet and I think it's very valid I do think Halliday looks a little. Nice I'm I'm willing to look past Bernard Rukh effort in. His previous races too. I mean I just got beat to the lead in the Braga Rukh and I think that Kinda took him out of his game I. Don't think that'll be the case this time I think he'll be in front and only horse willing to challenge him as got stormy in. These nice enough fractions he could maybe steal. Of the Chad, Brown for do I do agree raging bull is the best, but I feel like. Against without parole but I watched enough maker's Mark Mile more and more I really more impressed I realized with that effort. So I think he could step up and run huge here. You know despite the fact you still wanting to while he was the most competitive races ran in a little bit so. He seems like he's improving. I feel like Chad wouldn't have ran here. He didn't think he was ready. So ultimately I think I'm GONNA go shopping go raging bull because one of the biggest things is you're really does like Saratoga Institute for three here the only time he lost twenty second last year in the four day. So wrenching bowl on top with. With Halliday and without underneath.

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Part1:Brian Kelsey, Judge Bill Walmsley

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Part1:Brian Kelsey, Judge Bill Walmsley

"Sirius xm ports presents with steve becoming interviews. This is who was stupid. Very good tuesday obie. Yes two year old in training sale. Attendees whether you're on the grounds or whether you're attending it virtually and plenty plenty of attendance. Virtually we're going to go down to ob s in some point here the next couple of hours and we actually will also connect with one of the virtual attendees at ob as aaron. Wellman gonna visit top of our to thought. Maybe it was out there but as he'll tell you he at the yet to stay home because he's got his second Vaccine shot coming up so he's attending has got Got some reporting tation. Some people we know right that are perusing. The two year old's There's a lot of enthusiasm at seems a completely different backdrop obviously than last year and where the uncertainty you know the was just descending on everything certainly not just the industry and the and the sales organizations and consigners and everybody else in breeders. it Obviously permeated every walk of life but Ob s powered through the first round. And that was that ended up being important. And we'll talk to tom ventura. I'm gonna guess around ten thirty. The first gavel drops a little after eleven. And there's there's a lot of positive a lot of positive reports if you haven't looked through Some of the some very fast. I mean you had you had a big bunch of it wasn't like there were two or three or five that zipped and and you know then it cascaded from there There was a big group horses that went nine and four and ten flat so they were They were moving right along. We'll see what everybody thinks and We'll get a little bit of of a pulse take Tomorrow when when kids in will have day one results and it's always fun. This time of year. I my inclination is to ask like i asked Kenny mcpeek about you. Know the the babies that he's impressed with kind of funny to you if you're listening to the replay. Just now those those questions. I don't you know i don't i. Don't send them out Ahead of time and For for both mcpeek and baffert to site unified in who stands it Lanes end right. Yeah and and i think i think ten thousand Both of them including unified with the some of the more. You know high profile. Buzz first year first crop Stallions pretty interesting. There's uh before outs. There were seven unified. It looks like today. Looks like the maybe three. Yeah it looks like maybe three today and for tomorrow. So there's one to watch the the best part you know the best part of the two year old sale season is you. You may get some insight for when the two year olds at the racetrack. I mean that's the best part of the best part of best part of waking up is two year olds on your on your betting menu and folger's in your cup i the actually i take that back. It looks like all one i didn't. I thought there was one hundred. One hundred seventy five selling today Two hundred eighty selling today so all but one of the unified will go through on tuesday. one two three four six today one tomorrow. So there. there's there's the watchlist we'll see what else and we'll see what aaron What i i. I don't know if they wanna give away if he wants to give away. Yeah Anybody off their shortlist but The two year old two year old racing season technically it starts that i And then of course at the end of the month two weeks from two weeks from tomorrow right. Yes if if Florida derby days the twenty seventh two weeks from tomorrow at gulfstream for the phasing sale. Which is a boutique. More of a boutique sale then backed obese for april then him and then back to obi s for june so There's the the major exit ramps on the two year. Old sale front we also this morning In about ten minutes The story that. Of course i. I assume. Most people got wind of yesterday. Mid-afternoon was the hp and eleven affiliates filing a lawsuit to challenge the establishment of. He's and we're going to talk to. Brian kelsey fleet attorney. Senior attorney at the liberty justice center. Who's handling the case The walmsley to from arkansas from the arkansas. Hp will join us and it was quite a bit too on pack. Here you know. And we've we've got we've got Probably a handful of attorneys that we can we can trot through As part of this discussion. But we'll start the first The first stop on on this On this train will be so with. Hp and their representation. The the lawsuit is really going to challenge. The authority that is being created is a essentially With the with the bill passed to me was part of the omnibus bill. I mean technically it's It is established so the concept That this potentially violates You know a lot of the same. Frankly it's got to be a lot of the same. Potentially a lot of the same issues that came up During the pasa discussion with sports gambling and sports wagering and of course dentistry isn dentistry as insight to this would be valuable ab you know. One thing that's notable the the fact that in the t. h. a. allen foreman and his affiliates are not involved and they seemingly have established their support four. He sir and yeah. I thought it was notable that they chose not to participate and the other question going to have to ask to have kelsey the states themselves. You would think that states that operate receiving commissions I thought that perhaps states themselves would be part of any potential litigation to try to block this. So we'll talk to brian kelsey. We'll see what the the core issue to their way of thinking. I mean just the fact that they're involved the liberty justice center There a you know a a nonpartisan public public benefit law firm and Basically they constitutional rights and those those kinds of issues government government for instance As as an umbrella To this so we'll. We'll hear what what brian kelsey asked to say what. He thinks the potential for successes what the process is for them to be heard. The lawsuit itself was filed in district court in the northern district of texas. And the mad hegarty wrote yesterday in the form alleges. The creation of the oversight board violates the non delegation doctrine of the us constitution by granting power to a private company that can only be delegated to a government entity. So there's the there's the the core issue and i i am curious. He had the precedent. That's out there to oppose this concept at and what the president is to establish an authority like this because there are there there has to be other. you know there has to be other self-regulating entities That that are operating under similar principles. I'd imagine and and certainly the jockey club Uh when they when they came forward with this with isa when they had they had said that they establish the legality of the concept now and that they had vetted it extensively so know the the supporters of the the. He's concept they you know they feel that what they established and and what they put forward meets the legal definitions that that are that are necessary. So we'll find i will. We'll see i mean it. The thing that the thing that. I think everybody does agree on whether you when you support this concept or not I think there were there. Were two things that were problematic. The fact that that no discussion ever took place that this was done You know to to to draw from an albany. A famous famous new york Maxim three three men in a smoke filled room for those of you for those of you. Familiar with With the how you know how new york operated for one hundred plus years. The there had been discussion promised as part of the process but then when the opportunity to sneak it under the door it the way the night auditor does at a hotel. You know you're lying there in bed and and you hear that you hear that receipt for the hotel slid under your door. That's what this was and there was no there was never any of the discussion that was alleged group. Promised it was This is what we're doing and we have a chance to tack it onto the omnibus bills. So you're gonna have to like it. Well not necessarily the the issue that it even more than than you know the clandestine way in which this was implemented. The bigger issue is that there's no discussion of the funding. And as i've laid out for years years when when the concept was being executed or or proposed there was always terminology in it that said that handle takeout could not be used to fund it well in this last incantation that had disappeared. So i if this thing gets implemented you know as written there is nothing that prevents the at all the lip service. That's been paid toward horse players all we we we can't it can't be funded by take. I i wait and see but the fact that this wasn't addressed is really a shortcoming and a a really do be part of the the potential implementation so i it to us to use What i've described the of the seth mero method of deciding on steward calls. It says that's a sixty forty. That's a seventy thirty. This i i really think i mean there's people obviously that are one hundred percent behind it and that the game is just so so you know just overwhelmed with With cheating and so this is this has to happen. Because it's it's an imperative Obviously there are some people that that have that position But i think i think a larger percentage of stakeholders and you know players are more in the sixty forty range either four against they understand the potential benefits but they're aware of the potential unintended consequences and the fact that those consequences weren't disgust. Upfront is what is what is really troubling. And makes you know this lawsuit a valuable exercise at least the to my way of thinking so We'll talk and just a couple of minutes bill. Kelsey blind kelsey and bill walmsley from arkansas. And we'll let them you know just just reacting let's Let's hear from legal those with legal expertise particularly from brian And of course on the on the racing front We've got. I think more more interest and excitement moving toward the weekend and to particularly to new orleans and Lots of discussion there to look forward to and sell them which is minutes away first race. I put up Kevin's put up the kevin's plays a re tweeted them and they're also Put him at derby trail too. And actually she'd put them upon I haven't put them up on our website. Only do that to i chance i get but They're about five minutes away from kicking off cheltenham. And if you're if you've got the the wagering wagering pad in front of you and you're ready to go The supreme novice getting started. And let me pull up a screen to and have it at the ready myself so that i can. I can keep drag. We'll probably catch. We will probably catch the ten. I'm going to guess. The mayor's hurdle i wanna pick a good one or two And there's probably two windows today to listen in The mayor's hurdle at eleven forty is a possibility. And also the the ultimate the handicapped chase as well. Those those are actually. Those are both good because they're super competitive so actually just two minutes to post here and appreciate it who you know we knew was going to be a short bryce. Well two to five a little. A little hyper on the on the short price actually And let's to see what Let me make. Sure what kevin before. I i wanna say grumpy. Charlie was the grumpy charlie and irascible. There's an exact Grumpy charlie is twenty eight to one and forty one. Those were the the options that have thought. That could be part of you. Know each way bats or the the exotics with appreciate it so just about a minute to post. And we'll keep tabs the next four days on the hurdling and the chasing at cheltenham so i'll pull up the video too so we can actually look this morning to see if it kind of a kind of a day ended. It looks looks pretty glorious actually at at cheltenham and they're at the post laura So case let's reach let's reach for bryant and for bill. And i should mention to you know i i'm establishing their visit that the brian is the is the legal Expertise but bill walmsley's a retired judge As well so he's he's just as Just just as accomplished when it comes to the legal the legal parts of of what's going on so we'll reach for them and And i'm sure that you know we'll have a steady. I reached out to you. Know alan form and and demonstration. You know and i think it's pretty clear that their absence of participation they are accepting of the direction that that he says established and also. It should probably get a chance to talk to alex wardrobe to another. That's why i laughed when i said how many attorneys You know how many attorneys are at our disposal. Because there's there's too many attorneys that Too often right that we have to To get to so I don't wanna launch anything with with a audit They're off at the cheltenham as well. So we're everything getting going at once we'll start Add that. I mentioned that the league's going to join us from arkansas as well from the hp but I i'm alive bryant kelsey. Who's the senior attorney at the liberty justice center. Brian good morning. Thanks for having me brian. I i In advance of judge. Walmsley joining us. I thought it'd be important just to establish the parameters involved here. And i explain liberty justice and you know what your involvement essentially means in in this in this case of liberty. Justice center is a nonprofit nonpartisan law firm and we clients throughout the country for free to represent their constitutional rights and promote issues of freedom. And that's why we got involved in this case so we think that this is something that's bigger than its larger than horse racing. Really all americans should be concerned when congress gives the power to regulate and entire industry over to a private group of industry insiders. And that's that's why we're involved in the case. We all want to go. The united states supreme court case of genesis versus me in which we freed up many workers drawn from forced us as well. So that's our interests and i was. That's that's a perfect segue. Because i was gonna ask you to establish what kinds of cases and how and what this fits into in terms of in terms of precedent. Well we've been walking off forever a year in a lawsuits regarding non delegation doctrine. And that's the that's the technical legal term for what's involved in here and not just very simply it just means that that congress has the power to regulate And make and make a mall and they can't give that power over the private entities. And that's what's happened here. This is just as i said. This goes beyond horse racing This is not like the nba or the nfl here. In congress gave an essence what is the nba or the nfl. They get they gave this new newly created authority of power. Actually make laws the power to issue. Subpoenas the power to tax Owners and trainers breeders and they did so with with little to no oversight. I think judge walmsley's on with us as well. Bill how you excellent I got started with brian To kind of get The you know some of the groundwork laid blind before. I asked bill about hp as A overlying concern. I m curious. There's other industries certainly that that self-regulate regulate or have you know have authority what what are the different constructs. That are legally permissible in this arena. The biggest difference in this particular case is that The the ftc in this case federal trade commission. They don't have the authority to write the rules. That govern horse racing only this newly created private entity has the authority. It's only been around for a few months now and we don't know what rules they're going to create This was snuck into a december covid. Relief bill with little to no discussion. And we think that that Because of that it didn't it didn't get out and it's illegal and that would've been caught and go ahead. Bill nelson trainers view. We have absolutely no guidance. Regarding that describe it entity the authority will take what is going to cost. Who's going to pay for it. And how much will we have to pay because we have no say salom man And what punish much may be imposed a polish. That's strictly belongs to a private entity and we have no idea what it is contracting that we ask what has been decades of regulation of this of the owners and trainers in thoroughbred industry by the states and by their racing commission. We know what they expect there. And that's coming from a governmental body where those people who have authority over have taken up hold the united states constitution and their state constitution to ear. These are all private people Who have no schwartz obligation as public officials have on that. It's funny that you referenced. That to bill because one of the things that i that really i immediately when i read when i read the first press releases That came yesterday afternoon and then in reading mad haggerty's piece in daily racing form. One absence from this. That i kind of had thought would be would be part of any legal action where the states themselves at and from from that standpoint Blind or bill wire no states themselves taking issue with this. I'm i'm not sure that it will that they will Not be some states to take issue with it. I think you're talking about a law. Asked in december two thousand twenty a couple three months ago. I'm not at all sure that as attorney general's The various states take a look at this that that they may not. But i don't have any control over that all. I can do as a person of arkansas. Hp ba and the former national president All i can do is say. We want to challenge the legality of this act which which is one of the things that's great about our democracy is when we think congress has acted beyond are outside the scope of their body. We have the right to go to court and test it. I believe that shield illegal and hoping that the courts will agree with me. But that's course bottling. Brian from your perspective legally And and certainly. The horse racing industry In the person of strays in You know toppled One of the one of the most You know challenged and imposing positions. In by when it came to establishing the potential for sports betting and You know it not having dentist raisin involved in this You know to me is a little bit of a of a concern. Just because he knows these legalities well and From your experience what. What's the prospect for success here. And and what is the avenue to be heard. What are the you know the next step. So how will this unfold. Well we we think that we have a great chance of winning this lawsuit and in fact that you know we're prepared to to Appeal it if not all the way up to to the. Us supreme court. As i said earlier where we have success in winning lawsuits and so we actually think that this is one of the most brazen Giveaways of what should be governmental power to a private entity that we've seen in the last nine years. And i think that when judges start to take a look at this they're going to be furious that congress abdicated its power in such a way and so we feel very confident about our path forward will be filed a motion for preliminary injunction and we're hopeful that That the court in the northern district of texas will take up this issue very quickly and try to resolve it sooner rather than later what. What were the options in terms of filing and was there a reason specifically for taking it upped taking it to the district court in the northern district or one of the defendants. Dr black is located there. And so that's why we found their interesting okay and with that. Have i mean is what are the. This actually is hobbies valuable for people that hear about these kinds of of lawsuits in the news in general When when it comes to you know starting the ball rolling what what were. The options of you can go to any district court. Well without hitting. Amy sorry go ahead. You're toronto. I have to go to a court pitcher station where one of the defendants resides. So you can. You can't just go and and form shop or anywhere in the united states you've got to go to a jurisdiction where they what gives you jurisdiction is the fact that one of the defendants resides there. Got it And the organizations the affiliates of hp that are involved in this and it's a good opening dimension arizona arkansas indiana illinois louisiana nebraska oklahoma oregon pennsylvania and washington also one of the hp affiliates That represents the horsemen at mountaineer in west virginia Judge is i mentioned allen form and earlier and t. h. a. Was there a a wider appeal for the other horsemen representations to to join us And who else was was recruited to take part agree. I i as far as i know and that part of that would be a decision made by the national. Hp president area camelback. but i know The and the way. I became involved. There's a national contacted me and said would you and your board To see a challenge of the constitutionality hard on the galaxy of the hissel legislation the horse racing integrity and safety act. I said absolutely we would. We fought it since two thousand fifteen we know is origin comes from an elite group within the thoroughbred industry which has conflict to begin with And yes we would very much. We also know that that legislation itself which never debated in the house of representatives are united states senate it was attached to the covert relief. Fact as part of it and a lot of people who in congress who really didn't like that legislation had no choice but to vote for because they buried it in that it's never been debated and discussed and it needs to be an at least a home in court. We want get to discuss the merits of the legislation and to. We'll get to challenge. Whether or not they have unconstitutionally delegated authority that belong solely to congress. So i this is something the national league. Bpa and the hba fellowships in the united states have bought this particular since two thousand fifteen so are stepping forward to challenge. It is la galaxy in court is a natural progression of the position. We can for the last six years and brian from from again from the legal standpoint Y y has the jockey club Essentially they they feel that they vetted this. I mean what is their position. And why is it even about well. That's a good question and we'll see once they answer the loftiest But That at this point as i say we. We think that this is one of the most egregious failures actually legislate in the last ninety years. I mean congress is given the authority to make lawsuit. They can't just give it away and they certainly can't give it away to private organizations. And that's exactly what they've done here. I mean. this group can issue subpoenas they can they can ultimately they can stop someone from racing in the united states and and that's just wrong. That's that's for government to make those decisions it's as judge. Lumley mentioned state racing commission that existed for over one hundred and twenty five years in america. And they've been governing these things but those are government bodies that are appointed by elected officials who are accountable to the people that come election day. But in this instance you've got this entity that was created a few months ago. Nobody even knows who it is. What it is what it plans on doing. And you can't give that type of private entity the ability to make actual laws congress to do that a. is there and i'll let you both answer this. I i suppose there's two different parallel tracks. Is there potential for agreement. and and judge walmsley. Let me start with you. And i'll go back to two brian. One of the problems here in that anytime horsemen have asked to to fully discuss and and debate and negotiate this topic They're immediately painted as obstructionist and status quo and and all the other. You know cute. Mom that You know that the jockey club throws at it. Is there room to have a agreement as that would satisfy everybody here Essentially and if this if this is successfully challenged can there be some kind of an authority created with horsemen's support i think from the pta and The hba are owners and trainers and most of our smaller ownership trainers and yet understand the jockey club. It doesn't have an trainers members are all owners and their special invitation. And they're all jour- owners much larger owners than Than most of the people as ppa. And i used to say. When i was nice to president i represent the folks who put on. Show the guys who put the seven races today. The jockey club represents those who run the stakes races the one or two races a day and and so you have that natural dichotomy. That's there And i served initially in the first four years of the r. a board as one of the five owner members of that board after my term is national president was over. I was told that my successor who happened to be a trainer as a national presence. Hp they would not recognize him as a member of the board so i continued serving for an additional year And so there is that type of conflict that excess. That makes it more difficult than negotiate. But i think from the hba point of view if this legislation is stricken. I believe we certainly would have an open mind about talking with anybody about trying to find something that is fair thus far what we've seen from the jockey club point of view the proponents of this legislation as been remotely related. Watch fire brian. similarly What you know. What is the potential for something. And what is an example of something that has worked in this arena to your knowledge. Any sort of questions of settlement would be up to Our clients including judge walmsley. But that's at the end of the day as he mentioned this is this is about a law a law that is on the books now and so We're asking the court to enjoin this law to stop it from going into effect and until that happens. There's really there really are no discussions. That can take place because this law got to be taken off the box. Is there too in terms of researching this and and you're trying to figure out the angles. The approach we'll are there examples. That have worked that that that can be pointed to as you know as a similar in construction essentially Regulating construction in in any other private enterprise that that is out there as an example that has been successfully implemented you. Use medication has an example over the last ten years the Organization of racing commissioners what they call the r. c. i. searches on organization racing commissioners international. They have developed more uniformity in medication. Set more fresh at more limits Properly classified drugs more has taken place in the last ten years old arrest of the history of racing so we've been moving in that direction in order for us to fully move in that direction it can't be a unilateral position on part of the jockey club. It can't be just a position of the age. Bpa and the jockey club. We've got the t. h. a. another horsemen's organization to consider the tlc in california to consider they are shiite to consider and the equine veterinarians to consider. They're all players in this and all of them except jockey club have been excluded in the drafting of this particular legislation. You know one of the things occur to me. I would not want the hba to be in charge. Or pretty deleting thoroughbred industry. I would not want Tlc or t ha but what we have here is we have the jockey club. In charge of selecting the authority that will regulate all aspects of this industry. They're self interested parties. They race just like i do And and so. I would want at the very least if it is constitutional okla have a private entity to regulate an an industry. I would want them to be created independently of the interested parties. Well and and boy that The way you just framed that is and it makes it very clear. I mean by it. Can this book can this. Essentially be whittle down You know distilled to exactly that issue. How can how can one group within a larger entity The granted authority over everybody. Maybe it's the golden rule and operation. He has to go makes through ryan that right that is this is this is the central legal doctrine issue well in and thankfully our united states do not recognize he who has more gold than the other and they are. They don't care they're going to follow. I trusted our judges who are going to follow the constitution and if they agree with us that this law as legal they're gonna strike down and i think that's exactly what should happen so so just just to to go back to clarify again about the the judge is talking about with. I think i think you have two options. If you're looking for a solution for the industry ultimately the as i said back with my nfl analogy that the nfl is not is a private organization. People choose to participate in it. So that's one option. But it's not sanctioned by congress there are no laws that give it authority to make rules over Your your your son's little league football It doesn't it doesn't they. Can't they can't issue subpoenas. They can't stop people from playing football. It's a private organization. And so that's one option. The judge is mentioned on the other. Hand you know. Have the federal trade commission been given a much much much larger role in this process. And if they were the ones who are making the rules and their governmental body appointed by other governmental entities then That wouldn't solve all the problems that would actually raise on a whole host of other issues but that would at least That would at least solve one of the major problems here. Which is that said That it's a private entity. In this instance it's been given the ability to make the rules that are enforced against everyone in. The country wants to participate in horse racing. And bill the topic that i have come back to and and you know have have basically waived the warning flag has been on the funding. I mean that I think i if you accept And those that have accepted this concept as a path forward for the industry There's certainly room to respect that. You know that view of it but the the problem to me continues to be that You know the funding no one. No one ever wanted to address this and There's been some lip service paid to not raising takeout but It it seems that the worst players you know they take it In the shorts over and over again and You know it's not as if the owners the owners already Are are paying the freight Trainers are are being. You're dinged from every angle possible taxation The workmen's comp labor boards payroll taxes. I i mean it's it's already An impossible financial burden that that barely works and yet You know. Here's here's this entity that is supposedly going to find a way to fund itself But nobody's prepared to explain how well a bigger is some explanation of how this take weight because their contacts being made with horsemanship grew or men's and women's group race cracks and racing commissions about how much they're spending now for instance for their testing programs and i'm assuming that the nomination committee would be involved at naming authority and ultimately the authority would receive that information and have some background about what it cost in the past. We have no idea what it would cost for the testing through the Private company in colorado springs with no idea what that would be an all i all i can assume is that it will probably be more than what the cost is. Add fresh And wide now and present. I racing commissions take care most of that now how does a private lateral agency. Compel the state of arkansas and the state of florida to put part of their revenues into a private entity program to pay for the cost of testing. I have no idea how that could occur. I would assume it would require an an act from the legislature and florida arkansas. Before they could take public money in arkansas and put it in to a regulatory Program or a private entity in bobbing particular industry So those are the kind of questions that are out there. That have no answers to him now. And we're not receiving any information plum The jockey club with Which has been the principal boo shaker in terms of the adoption this legislation so they they are questions like that that are out that have no potential Anxious for us right now and it will be up to discretion of data forty once that authorities name and they have the absolute height to tell us how much we're going to have to pay to be regulated And and what. I think will happen i. I've statistics already show that over ninety percent of owners lose money and the hawks business i been in for thirty one years and then thirty one years. I've had three years. I've made a profit That's not a very good business model and you got to love what you're so. Those are the kind of things that i think are out there. That are so scary to this. And are the consequence. Congress delegating its authority to a private entity. Well and brian. Brian kelsey with us From the justice law center and judge bill walmsley from the arkansas. Hp bpa. i what what what bill. Just referenced The you know the states And their authorities and the revenue stream that they receive from racing that that's why i was curious about why they're there hadn't been state You know in joining of this kind of a lawsuit because it it it certainly to me. I mean they're they're at at great risk the thirty-seven jurisdictions that you know that administer racing currently and and it is curious i mean why why would why were they not or How were they not engaged in in this as well as this process not the lawsuit process but the process of the you know of the creation of usa. How were they. not you know. Part of the discussion. I do think it's just another example of how a congress when it fails to actually debate laws How it's it leads to making bad loss in this instance. It's not it's not even quite clear. How the thirty is he's gonna try to get revenue. It says it uses two different passes says in one way. We're going to try to get it from the state racing commission. But oh by the way we don't get it that way then we're just gonna just gonna tax Owners directly and and so you know again just think about how outrageous but says that. You're you're telling few members of one industry that they have the ability to impose a tax on the rest of the industry that that just never happened and So that's why we think we have such a compelling case to tell to tell the courts here that this is just this is just illegal and you can't. You can't make ross. Well what's the what is the timing Brian what What will happen in the in the short term. And and how will this. The with the clock starts ticking. Obviously with the filing yesterday what What are the process from here where we're hoping to move very quickly Because right now as they're all that we know that has happened is that the nominating commission has been named and it's up to them to them name the permanent members of the authority. And so we're asking the court to stop that. I'm taking place and so will be up to the judge that we can get that a hearing on that issue could take place very soon in the coming weeks. Well we will wait for that as the next step. And then once said there's a hearing How quickly is there Either a either a a pause an injunction how does how does that process unfold condition injection very quickly thereafter. i mean even potentially At the at the conclusion the hearing but probably within a few days of that well we will with waiting the wait and watch and Certainly brian i appreciate the opportunity to you. Know to get this out. And and by way of an explanation for for stakeholders and and horse players and and fans and bill wildly Thanks very much I i hate that. This is the first time. I get a chance to have you on the show. Well thank you. I enjoyed being here. I don't particularly enjoy the subject but the subject there and we need to address. Brian kelsey the justice law center and judge bill wildly. The arkansas h. bpa and Essentially speaking for the national as well as a lawsuit to challenge He's a clock starts Ticket and Will continue to follow it and we'll get some other Viewpoints as well and coming days guys. Thanks so much. And i'm sure we'll rank bill by leeann bryant kelsey. Let's take a break here. It's close enough to the top of the hour and we'll come back and get into. Ob s gonna talk the tom ventura and Set the scene down there about hour away from starting the first two year old in training sale of the year will check in with erin wellman. Aaron will be glued to the computer all day. he's watching he's watching breezes. He's looking at pedigrees. He's in contact with his people on the sales grounds ov- es and also Erin and the eclipse partners are are basking in the afterglow of like i don't know five wins in the last two weeks including i think three stake winds ten year old ohio on friday amazing his third straight at the turf paradise. Pretty cool so aaron. 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Trainer Talk with Rachael Keithan

"This is trainer talk on the verse racing radio network radio network presented by phasing tipton but it all but a super wins the salt. We'll get steve asks houston career win number six thousand. It was all another but nail trainer. Look as a sex. Al's rosie trainer gary contessa. His two thousand new career win on dialed in never got it was animal. Capetown's grandma skied hobby with career. Victory number a one thousand offloads now. Here's mike hello again. Everyone and welcome to another edition of the show. Trainers listen to it. Is trainer talk presented by phasing tipton on the horse racing radio network. Mike penner berna the backstretch ready to bring you yet. Another great story in the world. The thoroughbred racing another trainer who is just getting started with their career. I'll tell you more about that as we move throughout the program here today as always you're tuned into to train. Her talk live throughout north america on sirius to nineteen. Xm to a one or you're listening to our free live streaming or the archived podcast of the show on our h. r. n. website Horse racing radio dot net while today's guest is just getting started with that career. She has saddled Well five horses to date but we are recording this. Show keep this in my recording on february seventeenth. You are listening to it now on the twenty fourth. So there's a good chance that between the seventeenth of the twenty fourth. She saddles another horse or two but she picked up her very first career winner back on january. Twenty seventh at tampa bay downs and survey was the name of the horse and irish-bred who rolled to a four length win in a maiden claiming event under hayes. Castanon and outs of seventy two. I can imagine she may still be on cloud nine all these days later. Rachel keith in her name and she is with me now on trainer talk presented by facebook. Tipton rachel thanks for taking the time thank you so much congrats on that big win. Are you still sitting on cloud nine or have you kinda come off with a high a little bit absolutely. I mean it was a big win for the horse. He'd run a bunch of times and he'd never actually gotten up performed and he ran baked that day. But you know you move forward and you keep. You always have another goal in mind. You know you take just a minute to celebrate and then after that minutes over you look for the next spot. How did you celebrate. After that i went. I went to eat sushi. I got a bottle of sake. And then i went to sleep about seven o'clock that night the life of a horse trainer. It's funny because we talked about this on the program a lot. You have to be back at work at five o'clock the next morning so you don't get a lot of time to party. Yeah if you're lucky what time to show up at the bar Actually i am right now. I live in the barn. Because i i really don't want to be too far from all my children so i normally wake up about four thirty and we're on farm life right now so everybody except for the race horses or living pretty relaxed life while they're getting their career started. You live in the barn so you don't do the facility and go to your house or an apartment you are staying in the tack room. No no there's an apartment attached. She's born okay. I was gonna say that's dedication if you're and i have had other trainers on this show. That told me they. When they were getting started. They crashed in attack room. Luckily i'm just a little bit luckier than that. Will you referred to the horses as your children. How many horses do you have under your care right now right now. There's nineteen in the barn while it's a big number for somebody just getting started i. I've been blessed. I didn't bless them once. I once i let people know that i was going to be going out on my own. They were all too happy to throw me. They've abc's babies. I do well with. I'm pretty good at conditioning. Baby without giving it any major problems and then you know put a good foundation on it and then when it gets to the track. They're very professional and they're they're put together the right way. I love the way you referred to them as your your children because i often say that a horse trainer is a coach. And when you talk about say a college basketball coach for example the kids become their players almost become like their children. They become a family. Is that the way view your job as a horse trainer and and the horses that you have in your care absolutely. They change from day to day. They're just like people you one could come in from the field having a really big day of playing or they also can review overnight. So they can they start to not if they themselves in the entries They they tell you everything that you want to know. If if they're ready to move on and go on to something bigger and train a little harder they tell you if they're not ready to be doing as much as you're doing you're pushing too far. You know they also ask you to step back from them. I have a little bit of a luxury right now. That specifically that we are able to do things a lot differently. So i've got got a nice pretty nice setup of horses and they're all unfortunately not gonna be ready right away but they're gonna be ready in time and most of these quite a few. The two year olds. We'll be running in their two year old years you know. Knock on wood that everything keeps going the direction it's going right now. Tell me more about the farm that you're living on now Well i live in a two bedroom apartment. That is attached to the barn. The facility is beautiful. We've got years is here. We got round pen. we've turn out paddocks. there's a mile track. That's it's really well. Well along with a turf course which i haven't i haven't had the the pleasure being over the turf horse yet because they just don't i prefer to get them ready on the dirt This society is also got a vita floor. It's got a spa. There's several swimming pools that we can swim the horses it. I mean it's really luxury training here yet. Sounds like a beautiful place to lead a horse. Grow up and get learn what. It means to be a racehorse. What's the name of the of the farm. And and where is it located. Rachel big farms but the gates actually say oakridge. Training center is located in more than florida. And like i said these. These guys are so accommodating. It's read. Sarah bagels farm and they just they really help us to to do the best. We can for these young animals. How far is morrison from tampa bay downs. It's about two hours the two hour trip so when you ran survey there on the twenty seventh did you commute back and forth and ship in we had to. Yeah we we actually had a friend of ours Take us privately that way. There's there's less to motion. The horse gets to be a nice quiet environment. So he's relaxed. You know he had done it several times before so he knew a little bit what to expect and you just want to create the the kindness environment for them to run potentially the best rates that their life. I want to talk more about that day in that race in that moment when survey crossed the finish line. And we'll do that as we move throughout the program visiting what rachel rachel keeping here on trainer. Talk about phasing tipton. She is if you're just joining us just getting started with her. Career settled her first winner in survey back on january twenty seventh at tampa bay downs. Rachel where did the whole interest in horseracing begin for you. Wow i i've been riding horses since i was five. I started Breaking and riding horses at eleven. And those were mostly like tony's and show ponies. But i had the fortune of knowing a i knew a trainer son in maryland and his his name was richard fultz. He had trained at charlestown. And i had a little bit of an interest but by my show jumping. Coach had told me to stay away from the racetrack. And you know i went to college and i got i what everybody else did. And i went and got an office job that i worked in an office job for a while. Then i just missed being outside and having sunshine on my face all day so i. I had asked this trainer if if they could get me in to racetrack. I thought i could ride resources. And it's it's not really friendly accommodating world when you first begin so i had some really good people take me under their wing and teach me the ropes and i just the the biggest. The biggest. let me rephrase. It's the best way that i got around each day. With following one piece of advice it was to keep my mouth shut my head down and work hard. And that's where i am right now. You say that when you first went to the race track. It's not a friendly accommodating world. Why do you say that. It's really hard to get started just because so many people try to come to the racetrack especially coming from my discipline. People see a little girl who rode show horses. And that little girls confident she can ride racehorses it's really a completely different machine it's not the same. It's really not the same and it was a big learning curve but if you're willing to stick through it the ones that have my kind of background. There's a they're the most accommodating with the horses you. We understand how worth anatomy works. Whereas if i had just started completely from scratch on the racetrack sometime survivors. Don't have the same education. And you you don't get the same quality of a writer to write in race makes the horse if you don't have a great team behind you backing you up. You're not going to be successful if you don't have great exercise writers. How am i supposed to know what the horses doing. I can see things. But i don't know exactly how the horses doing if the groom and the hot walkers everybody that puts their hands on that horse if they don't know what they're talking about i as a trainer cannot i can't do what's best for the horse And then there's also the assistant who who put their hands on those horses just as much as we do and they sometimes know. The horse is better than the trainers do so. I'm really fortunate that i i had a pretty great team behind me and my assistant just i mean she can down. I have a broken ankle at the moment and she's she's really stepped up her game and and been there and done everything possible for this team yet. Did you ever get a chance to ride in race when you when you went to the race track for the first time i did i wrote A couple of amateur races. I was really not good. So i i kinda stole that idea very quickly. Will you mentioned. It's a team effort. There's no doubt about it and you have found that out quickly in your training career. You mentioned your assistant. Tell me more about your team and your assistant well right now. My system is britney stoddard and she also came from maryland and she had a very very she has a very background. She has worked in steeplechase She's also she was also with dickie short. He was a legendary trainer in maryland and a- dickey small. I'm sorry dicky smalls. And he's uh. I mean he was really well known she got her. Her major. start from dicky and the gentleman who taught me how to ride also used to be his race writer so She was in maryland and then she went to. I believe she went to fair hill and just recently the trainers that i know she's worked for our Tom proctor for tom proctor for several years and she just she just left kenny mcpeek. She was with kenny. Mcpeek when swiss skydiver when the preakness and i managed to steal her way. Wow wow. how'd you end up getting her away from kenny mcpeek. You know you sweetly and your wink. It worked hey why not you do what you have to do right Whatever it takes you know you don't feel too if you don't feel good team. There's no way to really go forward. It is so true at yo. It it takes a village. Right is what what the saying says. And you now have somebody working alongside of you. That has a as you referenced. The experience of working with a guy like dickie small and somebody like ken mcpeek. How important is it for you rachel to surround yourself with people that you'll have as much experience as you may be even more experience to move yourself forward. I mean it's key with without it. There's you know. I can probably go to a certain point but we keep each other pretty Wh- newly keep each other in check. You know there's there's some things that she'll tell me you know. Hey you're you're doing this wrong sometimes. I have to step back and say you know what you're right that is that is not the right steps. So we've gotta go this way and and she's she's really good and there's times where like. Hey fred we gotta do things this way. And she's like well. I don't agree with that. But okay and we go forward with it and it turns out to be you know some of most of the time. We're pretty reasonable with each other There's gotta be a little hard headed in order to get points across sometimes but that everybody has to be because if you if you're not and you don't think about the decisions you make it you don't exactly get as far with the horse as you possibly could have gone. What's the biggest lesson that you have learned so far rachel since going out on your own that. Maybe you didn't know if you're going to have to deal with this but now you are and it's something that you learn from and You're moving forward. The biggest lesson i have had the had to deal with. It's my time management. Personally i love babies. I do there. That's probably my strong suit. But i love the claiming game. This is that that's where i'd like to be I you know everybody likes once. They're good stay course. But it's i really find a lot of pleasure and claiming a horse that maybe somebody had mismanaged for they. Maybe they just didn't get along with it and i like to find final. The the niches for this horse and the way the perfect way to train it. I'm having a hard time right now. Juggling this really hectic schedule getting all these horses trained into the track and and and getting. I'm looking at several different tracks. When i'm looking horses to claim so it's it's a lot of management as far as sitting down and actually looking through all the pp's and and watching replays and things of that nature. It's it's hard for me to set aside that time. Because when i do set aside that time something always comes up you know. You've gotta deal with blacksmiths. You gotta deal with failures. You've got odor phone calls. It's all something that i have to do before i just kinda would leisurely take videos and talk to owners that the trainers asked me to but for the most part. I didn't have to do any of that myself. The the time management been the hardest part for me so they come naturally. Yeah yeah. I guess delegating to write and knowing when you can turn something over to somebody else to take it off your plate. That's another one. That's very hard for me to do it. But i think that's just has to do with being new. I really do. I think eventually you learn that you learn that there are people there that are that are very capable of doing the job if you just stay out of their way you know and and i think that that's just something that every new trainer goes through absolutely absolutely free. That's it's very hard to 'cause. I was very accountable. So i just i just i've just been in the business long enough to see so many people say. Hey you know. I'm gonna be here at such and such time you've got word it's a commitment and then they just don't follow through with it so i i don't. I don't really leave much room for error there. If if it doesn't happen you know. I just roll with it just to do things myself. That's that's something. I i definitely could on. Well that's what you know. Being a trainer is all about and getting started you. You'll learn those lessons and you move forward from them How about the claiming game. What why is it that you like the claiming game so much. Oh i just had so much fun and and so similarly successful with it I use you saw that. I had been with danny jargon and he really taught me how to how to look through these how to look through the pp's and look at one horses or would work for his barn and what he likes him what he doesn't like. We always have difference of opinions which horses i thought. We're going to be good ones. And which one weren't to be good ones but it was a lot of h a lot of fun to to go through and look at these horses and look at their their past performances and watch some replays and go. You know what. I think that horse would do better doing this. Let's be we can make it work and and we had a lot of success doing it. It was fun. It's always fun to take our picture. Yeah well that's that's the reward right for all your hard work. And here's dani guardian who is trained What three hundred thirty. Some odd winners to begin his career He's had greatest stakes horses like tax and and our free role and divine ms grey. But what kind of teacher was danny garden. What are some of the lessons you learned from him that you're applying today. My the best thing he ever taught me was my first year with him. I was at home with them. And i'm very optimistic in life and everything is oh you know we can do something a little differently to make the horse perform a little differently but the best thing that he ever taught me. Do not make excuses if horse is not fast enough to be a maiden special weight horse. That doesn't mean it's useless. It just means that it's not good enough to be in that spot. You have to pick the right spot and don't make excuses if it doesn't work there you've got to find a place for it to work and it was the best thing that he taught me. When did you decide that. It was time to go out on your own. Was it right from danny to training on your own. no i I actually went off to you for stanley huff for a little bit. I left danny rate after the two thousand nineteen Saratoga meet i was. I was actually the one that dropped the slip on tax can't was at the sale and he asked me to go look at tax as he walked over and the races and and i got the slip on tax and we had a really successful year with obviously going on to the derby and and then he he ran fourth in the belmont and it was really is a lot of fun to tag along with that team and then as i was a trainer that goes to saratoga trainer his other assistant. Sorry the assistant his other day than belmont so tax became out and he was a very tricky horse and banning and i had never disagreements about it but i mean ultimately. We do what was best for the horse. One of the disagreement is. I have a little bit of an ego. I mean a lot of talent of an ego. And i realized he just he was not the kind of horse to play around with a real race horse. I had to start taking with tony and cut hurt my ego a little bit for the horse and then he went on and won the jim dandy four and i. That's the first graded graded race. That i'd ever worn where i was the assistant and the writer horse. It's always great to win a race any race. It doesn't matter if it's a maiden claiming race or the kentucky derby and there might be different levels of enthusiasm with those but the the feeling of winning any horse race is exceptional and and it. It goes to another level when you win a greatest ache like the jim. Dandy you mentioned what tax meant to you and that relationship. What was it different than winning your first race. Was there a different feeling to winning. Greatest stakes race. Or is it different when you're out on your own and you win your first race you know. It's funny winning. Degraded gate was more like Looks out all my hard work it. It paid off. I mean that horse was he was really tricky and in all aspects of life. Not just not just on the track. He was tricky in stable. Houston strictly so he it was. It was gratifying. That i could get it their win. When we were first rate with survey i mean it was just a feeling of i wanna say reassured it like that. I knew i was doing the right thing that this is the path that i was gonna go down in that i had that it was the right. Move for me to go out on my own. It just let me know that. I i suppose to be there yeah. It's more of a vindication type of thing right knowing that your approach and that the way you got that horse ready and the decisions you made that you can do it right you can. You can make this work. Is that the right way to put it politely. That's exactly how it feels. Yeah rachel keith. My special guest here on trainer talk presented by facebook tipton. We are coming up on a break. Rachel in just about Three minutes or so. We'll continue with the second half of the program after that and look back on some of the other horses that meant so much to you and continue to talk about your background but earlier you talked about the fact that you went from riding horses at five and then riding showjumpers and then eventually went on to college and thought about okay getting an office job but the race track that the lure of being around horses just too much. You had to be around it if you weren't training. What else do you think you might be doing if you were in this business. You know when. I picked her up breaks from being innocent. And i just did a break in general. It's very mandates. Fraiche works general. Horses in general are very demanding. They you eat sleep and breathe them. And i just i had to take a break so i would exercise writing for for a little bit the last job i had. I was working for don chat lows who took a racing editor position for Obsolete fine and he was still teaching anything that i probably would've statement eight as an exercise rider. I had a lot of fun with any. He taught me thing with a daily basis. He was had a great person to be around and it was fun and uplifting taliban's to didn't always scream at you. He does just kind of talks. Talks through things that you but he he loves the game. So i probably would've just done what i was doing. Continue being an exercise rider. I did. I did a lot of things before. I decided to pick up some horses and start trading I i probably would have. I might have been new york. That's that's where a lot of my family is right. Shark family and Relatives but i kentucky kinda calling for me. So i i probably would've done kentucky york if i hadn't gone on to training and now now that i've got a barn full of four says seems to be more breaking oriented. Yeah it seems like a perfect fit for rachel. Keeping here on trainer talk presented by phasing. Tipton going to get to a short break. We will continue this visit in the second. Half of the program. Stay with us. It is trainer talk and it's all presented by phasing tipton. Basic tipton is bringing that he to miami with the phasing tipton gulfstream sale of selected two year olds in training. The nation's premier two year olds in training sale will be held on march thirty first after the florida. Derby over gulfstream park's dirt racetrack. The sale has a history of producing the sports best horses. If gooding last year's great one arkansas derby winner adult as well as top horses peanut don't overload j. Yup in and share the ride you will find no higher concentration of quality in any two year old sale in twenty twenty one. The basic goal stream sale march thirty first at gulfstream park. Where will you be. Mr motto is bringing his speed and outstanding pedigree to the state of new york. Mr monoploy broke his maiden his second. 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Racing surfaces include a one mile all weather to pd main track a seven furlong intercourse and the one and a half mile. Ep taylor turf course. Opening day is april seventeenth. Follow us at woodbine. Tb on social media or reach out to our team at woodbine dot com. This is trainer talk presented by facing tipton on the horse racing radio network survey. Yes follow brad and a waitress seagram the route and the complexion changes turn for all must be a monster steal their survey huge through a gap toured around inspectors. Here's it's my lucky. Summer from absolutely nowhere. I don the nfl. Inside the final survey and hayes non. They have to lead down by two and a half. It's my lucky. Summer is their second is surveys ronald dental be and vice three. It's my lucky they are second. Sweet zayed on the outside third. Richard grunter with the call of that bayden claiming race at tampa bay. Downs back on january twenty seven. Th you might say okay. It's a maiden claiming race. What's the big deal well. It was a huge deal to my special guest rachel keith. In iran trainer talk. She picked up her first career win. When survey crossed the finish line first the official margin of victory for lengths under hayes castanon. We will talk more about that moment when survey crossed the finish line. But wanna remind you that if you did miss any portion of this show all you have to go back to our website horse racing radio dot net. You can listen to the entire show and all of our trainer. Talk shows at your leisure horse racing. Radio dot net horse racing radio network on apple podcasts and you can also follow us on social media at h. r. n. Twitter horse racing radio network on facebook and on instagram. Well rachel that call of survey winning head to bring back some amazing memories for you How many times have you gone back and watch the replay of that race about twenty five. That's actually low. I thought it might be higher than that. No no no. You can't keep looking at the past you've got to look towards the future. Well that's a pretty good one to look back on though and it's one that you're never gonna forget when did cross the finish line in front and won convincingly. Was that moment. Like put me there with you. Well i i had to take a deep breath because i had stopped breathing. Just when you get really nervous and you just you don't want to jinx it. You just stopped breathing for a little bit. So once he crossed the wire My my assistance. And i hugged each other and and and i mean we were overjoyed at what else you. I don't even know how to explain. How excited we were about this. It would huge especially because You know survey one so impressively. It wasn't just he. He grinded through it. He he pulled away. Yeah and he wasn't. It wasn't unexpected that he would run well. He went off at odds of seven to two. So you expected the okay. There's a chance this could happen today. Had you even thought about it before you ended up winning your first race as to what it might be like if we can get it on the way today and and get this career kick started honestly no. I didn't think about it at all. I really just wanted to you know with a horse like that. You really want to build up their confidence and the first time out for me. He ran a little bit further. And i just was hoping i'd made the right decision to cut back a little bit. And obviously we got him a little bit more fit in the time between just he just showed up. That's that's a hundred percent of of winning the race like they can train like champions in the morning and the afternoon they don't show up. Yeah he showed up in a big way and he showed up under my man. Hey zoos cast tonight. I don't know if you knew this. But hey zeus actually worked as an analyst on one of our broadcasts When we broadcast the stephen foster years ago at churchill downs hey. Zeus was my analyst when he was recovering from an injury and we had so much fun doing it together. I love hayes whose cast on. that's fantastic. I was not aware of that. Yeah yeah great guy. And i think one of the under rated riders in the sport. I agree with that. I actually met him in two thousand eighteen two thousand eighteen or nineteen and came on. He had come in my barn hoping to score amount. And i said. I'm really sorry i can't help you I don't. I don't make those decisions. And i told him if i ever got a chance. You know i'd i'd give him out and he just got lucky got survey every were to do in a big way for your loyalty and remembering him all those years later just a special moment and special moment for you and for your team and it's really cool to see you off to a fast start. What's rachel what's the most difficult thing for a trainer to learn. I guess or or to have to deal with when they start going out on their own and doing this for themselves. Well i would say that the most difficult thing for me it's gonna it's gonna be my vision. You have to look at a horse and have a vision for him. You have to have a plan and it's really hard to take a horse that's unproven and decide. What surface their distance. You know How do they wanna be written. Do they want to go to the front. Do they wanna be stockers. That's that's really something. That's hard to figure out with a horse that that hasn't run before or their unproven. So you have to figure out what they're running style so that both parts of the team can be successful personally The horses that cut that. I've claimed in the past there a little bit easier. They're a little bit easier to visualize what they want and what they need. You just gotta keep up. Happy an older horse. That's what i find. The best is as long as you can. Keep them happy and fit. They're going to run for you. You said earlier that you have a bit of an ego and that would come into play when you were working with. Dan goggin for example as his assistant. Is it difficult for you to check that ego at the door and realized that each horse is an individual and as you just said they have to learn how to learn to teach them and deal with their own running styles and not make them not force your training method on them but let them kind of show you what they wanna do can be difficult. Oh absolutely but i've i've been on share already since i've gone out on my own so i checked ego at the door. I've got the check number and everything you have to write. You can't be successful if you don't absolutely rachel keith. In my special guest here on trainer talk presented by facebook tipton. So what's what are the next steps now. Rachel you got your first win under your belt you have. What sixteen horses in your care. I think you said what. What's the next steps now. Well the next step where we're going to make a couple more starts here at tampa and see how it goes I'd like to if everything goes in my favor which knock on wood things things go different directions. I'm going to split the team up. And some are going to stay back here in florida and some summer going to hopefully go onto keeneland. The ones that i've got ready to go And i hope to show up in a big way with some of these two year old and then from there. They're just gonna tell me where they're going to run themselves. I've got we've got a few kentucky-bred we've got a few new york red. There's a pennsylvania. Brad you know you never really know what direction you're going to go where they run best. It's all about the horses. Certain horses aren't gonna take to certain tracks And i just have to do what they're telling me i need to do if i have to flip the string up even further than i have to split the string up even further but the whole goal is success. It's not just. They have to fit into where i wanna go. Are you a goal oriented person. rachel absolutely what. What would my baby. If i look forward to achieving the this moguls that set for myself what are some of the goals outside of winning races at attract like keeneland for example. As you just mentioned you'll send some horses. They're all things staying on track. But what are some of the goals you've set immediate goals and long-term goals for you and for your training career. Okay so immediate girls would have to be. I like to be in one of those first races at keeneland with one of my two year. Old's that's been a goal for me. I started at maryland with a two year old trainer. Who's very well known. I started with the the solvent family. And they're known for doing prepping their two year olds and getting ready to run I actually was with john salesman junior when he has the philly of the year limited view and we had her running at the two year old so i would love to have one running undermining for the keeneland meet that. That's an immediate goal. That's what we're really focused on right now. Long term goal long term goal. I'd like to have enough quality horses. That i could pick pretty competitive spots. And they're not exactly running on the bottom that we've got a little bit of play room with them. That's what i would. That's what i like to do it. I'd like to be able to claim horses still and like a few babies every year. And i'd like some owners and i take some pictures. It's interesting the two words. You didn't say when you were talking about your longer term goals kentucky. Derby didn't hear you say that no i eventually i'll get there but there's so many good grade one races. I'm not. That's a really hard race to get into. And i understand that. But i not there yet. I five years. Maybe maybe but i prefer to michael change on a daily basis. I just have to. I have to adapt to what i've got. And i have to keep looking into looking into the future. What has gotten my bark right now. You know they could always jump up. Surprise me but i. I'm not sure. I've got any derby derby horses. I have more grass horses in my barn. Don't lack in confidence. Rachel in your enthusiasm for the sport comes through when people listen to you. Talk if you do make it to one of those two year old races at keeneland this spring you walk into the paddock. And you're going to be looking at wesley. Ward steve asmussen. Todd pletcher chad brown. What's it like as somebody who's just getting started to walk in there and see those notable names and know that. Hey i i gotta beat these people to get to where i wanna go. Wesley ward is my idol. I i actually think about him. Every single day as i'm training i worked for a little bit. I wrote from a little bit in saratoga this year and i also road from a little bit in the farm in florida. So he's he's who i aspire to be like. What makes him so good. He's he's got a feel for the horses himself. I've watched him. he's very patient. I've watched him. He likes to teach people how to ride and One day there was. There was one of the writers weren't necessarily getting along with what other colt and he said. Hey hey come over here. He had the kid get off. The horse he jumped on. The horse made the horse. Do exactly what he wanted to do. Then he got off. He gave the kid elect backup and told them how to do. It and the horse went beautifully. Wesley as he's got a great hand on a horse and now he's got a good i. Yeah he was a fantastic writer in his own right so you couldn't be learning from somebody any better than wesley ward. He's good yeah absolutely. Why do you think he's had so much success with it. Is somebody like yourself who loves working with young horses. Why has wesley become known for his ability to get a two year old ready to run he he is he. Does things different very very very different. And i. i'm trying to copy of the best. I can without without exactly repeating him. I think i'd be okay. Replicated his secrets because that would be giving away my secrets but he does a certain way at at everything that he does it make sense so i i myself am trying to do the same things that he he does. So what's the most important thing to keep in mind when you're working with these babies getting them ready for their first start What's the most important thing to keep in mind to get them ready to run first time out the most important thing but i'm thinking about right now because unfortunately i don't have. I don't have the great numbers. That chad has is that she houston. Has todd pletcher. They just have a lot more numbers than i have. If any of my horses tell me that they have to back off. Because i'm pushing them just a little bit too hard that i have to listen no matter what no matter what my brain is telling me. I have to listen to the horses. If they tell me they have to back off and they're not gonna make human race. You know that's disappointing. But there's time there's still time. And i'd rather have the horse last and want to run then to push them to want to run interesting stuff from rachel keith. In who is my special guest on trainer talk presented by faiza tipton You think about where you are now. Rachel and where you wanna be and all the different stuff. We've talked about with idolizing. Wesley ward and working with young horses and all those types of things and it will all come together. I have no doubt in my mind that this is all gonna come together for you Talk about some of the people that have supported you since you've gone on your own owners or or other people that have come to you and helped you in any way well I mean there's been a overwhelming support of people who'd like to help me out But i. I've been a little bit stubborn in asking for help. Because i like i said i had a little bit of an ego obviously My assistant has been with me the entire step the entire process. No matter how difficult i've been she's she's been very supportive of me I asked danny gardens helped me out and of course. He just sent me a ton of equipment without without the equipment that he gave me. I mean. I don't know how i would've gotten started and then since then there's been others Tom proctors also provided us with some equipment. And it's it's really helped out to get started. It's it's really expensive to get started so just anything that anybody can do to help us whether it's equipment whether it's animals whether it's advice. I'm just happy and very receptive of everything that everybody wants to kind of help us out with really well said and and people don't realize that that there is an expensive involved with getting started that can be quite taxing on a young trainer when you have to invest in all the different equipment and different things that you need to do your job on a daily basis. Eventually you hope that your runners are running well and earning enough purses and you're making enough money to be able to compensate for all that but it i. It can be a challenge. Do you see yourself. one day. Rachel i know you said you loved the claiming game but do you see yourself going to the basic tipton sales for example and picking out young horses of your own that you can then take back in training and get ready funny enough that you said that. We've got quite a few in the barn. That i i personally picked out so i'm bharti step and i hope to continue picking more. What do you look for. When you're looking for the right fit five from the phasing tipton and Kentucky in lexington and then i did three from the Tipton timon sale phase to be happy to hear that when they listen to this show you a customer of phasing tipton and guest on the show that they sponsor so. That's that all ties together nicely. Rachel what do you look for in a young horse a yearling for example or a two year old training. That tells you that you think they can really be a runner. I always right now. The goals obviously changed but right now my first year training. I really look for horses. That i thought could be sprinters. I have to get my name out there in a big way this year. Everybody's going to be really watching and paying attention this year as years. Go on i can pick more of a classic course but right now my goal was i need something that sprint and fast and and probably gonna run at the two year old so that was really what i was looking forward to. When i went to the sales i reading very important I know a lot of people look at stallions and they say the stallion the horse but to me. It's it's on. It's on the dan side if there's if there's no pedigree on the damn side where the dam has had several runners or she herself was a runner. You know. I really don't feel like they'll be producing runners if they themselves were not runners. They produced other runners. So the damn sides is very very important to me. And and i like i said i. I'm looking for sprinter. So there's a certain body type that i'm looking for. I can look past a bunch of hair and dirt. And i can. I can look past the fact that they may or may not be conditioned. I kind of know what direction they're going to go in. And so far with the ones that i picked they've all they're all progressing and maturing into the animals that i thought they were gonna be taught to other trainers on this show over the years and talk to the various bloodstock agents on some other shows at one thing they always talk about is putting emphasis on a horse. That looks like an athlete. As opposed to getting so hung up on their pedigree do agree with that approach to yes absolutely but you know as well as i know that appearances appearances. Aren't everything certain. Certain people put a little bit more time into conditioning. These horses to bring him to the sale. And then when you get this horse you bring it home and after thirty days. They don't look like the same horse. So you've gotta you've gotta look past some of those things and people also look for straight legs. And i've got to be honest. I've been around quite a few kittens joys. He's just the first day of that comes to mind. And i haven't seen one getting joy that straight and i saw one that was almost almost correct and she didn't turn out to be very much forced straight legs and and there are certain things that you absolutely have to steer away but having their legs exactly straight. That's not a deterrent for me. Yeah interesting in some of those. Yeah i mean. Look at kitten's joy. I mean the the horse has been an unbelievable sire and like you say if if the horses have little. Let's the other thing too. Rachel i think a lot of people go to the sales. And they're looking for that horse that you know goes through and vets well and and scopes well and all these different things. The report has to be perfect. The confirmation asked to be perfect and if he can look past some of the little flaws like you just pointed out you can end up with a really good runner at a really reasonable price absolutely to louis and and it really takes the true horsemen to be able to do that. There's there's very few people who are very successful at doing that because as you said they've got to be completely correct and the people wh who are spending the money on these horses you know they. They wanna know that they're not getting a damaged product but there are certain things that you can overlook that they may grow out of another thing. That people seem to forget that they're usually in a really funny gross stage when they go through the sales because they're at different times of the year they can be. They could be perfectly correct and then next week you know selects face facing different directions and then they get really but high and then then they level out they just there in funny growth stage so again it's all about appearance and and good horsemen are able to just look through it while we're down to about the final five minutes of the program. It's been a a really enjoyable visit here. Rachel and i know we could spend another hour talking about different things pertaining to thoroughbred racing. Let spend just a minute or two talking about your family. What does your family think of. You being evolved racing. They've been really really supportive. My family unfortunately isn't into horse racing. They support the fact. That i'm into it and that i've i worked my way up the ladder. I've done everything. I've hot walk for free. I've groomed for free. I've written for free and i. I just moved progress from there. They they understand how have worked for this and they've been absolutely supportive the entire way. There's there's times where they don't speak to me Once a month. I just i'm really busy. And they understand it very very very supportive. Win tax ran in the kentucky derby. My mom took a picture of a tv and sent me a picture of me on the tv. So it's been it's better quite a rollercoaster ride. But they're they're very very very supportive. And i hope that once cova over they'll come to watch them via races. We'll a lot of times when a trainer comes on this show and says you know. My parents were kind of suspect of me getting involved in training horses. They wanted me to go to college and get an education. You did that rachel so they cannot complain about that. You went to college route first and then decided. Hey i want to be around horses so i think that makes it a little bit easier. Absolutely they're a little less objective. All right we'll give me give me a couple of things you like to do outside of racing other hobbies or that you have no. You don't get a lot of time to do all the things that you enjoy doing other than horse racing. Ooh that's tough. I like. I said i pretty much eat. Sleep and breathe horse racing. So that's that's a little bit difficult. I make time every week. I make time to go play bingo. Bingo i really. I enjoy my my winters in florida. Where we we play volleyball on the beach unfortunately with my broken ankle. I'm not. I can't really be a participant but i can be a little fun cheerleader on the side. I like to just have a good time. I don't really say no to a lot of opportunities. If something pops up. I pretty much. I try to make time to do everything. I like to go boating with friends. I like to. I went to nascar this past weekend. I mean if i can find time to do the little things with people that are important to me. I really feel like that fulfill the quality of of life. I'm looking for and that in turn makes the entire barn happier. Everybody needs their own personal time. In order to to make things happy and run right joy. The nascar race. That's a different kind of horsepower. Was it was quite. Interestingly i have a friend who sponsors one of the cars and we got there we had. We had a pit row passes and we were watching the race. The first it was the third lap there was an accident and then a lap fourteen or fifteen. There was a a a lightning. There was another accident and then there was lightning in the area and it completely poured down so we didn't get to see very much but it was. It was a different kind of experience. Yeah i'm sure it was rachel. Keeping here trainer talk presented by phasing tipton. Rachel again been a delight to hear your story. Congratulations on that first career win. I know there's gonna be many many more to come all the best in accomplishing every goal. That you set for yourself. Good luck you much. I enjoyed yeah. I did too and if you miss any portion of the show head back to our website horse racing radio dot net check out the podcast follow us on social media at hr and on twitter horse racing radio network on an instagram. Now for my special guest rachel. Keeping for lee dela pena producer mike. Pana we'll talk to you next time on trainer talk presented by facebook tinton. 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"Grayson handicapping interviews. This is steve bed. We're back at the races sirius. Xm on this monday recapping the weekend and keeping tabs on some of the derby horse movement and at the same time looking at the things. That aren't all derby related and andy serwer of the new york racing association. Join this morning. i'm good. i'm good. We've had fun fun morning. Kind of recapping principally principally the perhaps You know. Talk to steve asmussen about what went on with the the upset or in the arkansas derby and some kenny mcpeek With his with his horse Might be able to sneak in the back door for derby king fury That's been kind of the principal. J ribbon was with us. We talked to jay as well about four heavyweight disappointment to come for me. I mean how could be after me on after the final floor ed ed. Ed wasn't plugged in this weekend. He was an opera land with the kids. He he had the kids for vacation. So he's i think he's going to give him a few days to kind of catch up on everything that went on. Maybe well i do. I one thing i haven't done is talk about Obviously you you know. As part of the part of the shows as part of the america day america's day at the races in a. You're covering things away from from ecuador but let's Let's touch on the new york results and that included that included chad with what fifth straight fifth straight win in the in the dangers. Our or no in the yesterday in the in the other state. oh god plenty of grace yesterday You i if. I'm not mistaken. You handed out the tend to one winner of chad's in the dangers our that's my job is depicted occasionally winter. So it's a good thing that we do it. We're talking about the the dangers hours. Start start on some part of them. Start on saturday. Actually you know. I was remembering dangerous our correctly. That wanna raise saratoga. I think on the last saturday. The seven eight six eight seven when a couple of hours. Maybe even steak mistero readers when they used to run different weird raises anymore and beat over silver voice. Angel gots qualified from second. I remember that always cost a lot of money. Remember d. cues from years before our dangers. Our was gone trip. I'm not sure. But i feel like he was one of those. You know with your with your honor and wild applause. St euro Yeah as far as the rate Obviously analyzes the quota. Ciardi glad you know. I think there's issues would have. Obviously you know unfortunately because of the only so long you could be on the shell with weather issues. Come back necessarily be able to be competitive than you know. Decorated in baiter. Who was they were favored. Both seem vulnerable. I never been decorated. Baiter set biggest fan as you probably know I don't disagree with with christoph notion the taliban better going on an be fair to him he did have some trouble. He was pretty locked in top of the stretch. And you know we may get him out As far as delaware rb with just the worst that wasn't as bad as two weeks graces classics dirty worse and even though he kinda pundit and lashed the art show or last fall he did run a ninety seven fired mile up. It'll be good enough to to be super competitive in this race and significant problems. His last race tampa two different occasions he was he difficultly. interfered with and i have no idea what the charcoal is doing during the race. he was obviously watching delaware. And so it was completely best vantage racy for that was a costume. Whatever happened that turf. That will certainly. He's also probably do close to a to a fast paced fell apart So you know just amis seemed like that was a little better a Argument very well and they're two of the way off jimi bonds Aggressive with him but it wasn't like it was just a super slow pace. You know the other words on the case in all one analyze it other issues but only ran well there but the delaware sonetti frail ryan cut over minute the cut over grounded. The i turned and stay in the rail. That can turn nangle about this stretch. So me i look at travis. But i'm guessing in rinaldi then we're all the inside speed probably covered it very very similar amount graham. Which is a tough thing to do when you're closing from from last. Which is what he did. So i will go lot crafts. Many frankel honest with you graphics. While we're on to while you're doing that. I mean i i've looked at this. This was right. This was how many horses originally after the scratch. There was nine originally and ends up being seven. Did you what what what was it about. That's right okay. Yeah zuma on the inside was an mto what what was the process. What was it about delaware that that elevated him to to your to your choice partially price. Did you expect more pace in here. What what was i thought. I just sort of said well it. Well yes and no busy okay. The caller take probably going on. I'm guessing your listeners. Probably know exactly. Why take the base of my set. I'm confused. I mean an all theories that i just exactly explain why then then fine they were update iverson but that does okay. Prisons for instance. I thought rinaldi. I thought i tried rinaldi what it was there in delaware. What was there in delaware based on what we've seen from him that that was you know he hasn't if you're going to have the others yellow leaves you do i. I understand that boring. And i've no problems you don't want to listen to me but don't ask me to repeat what i just said. I didn't sense. Okay that's fine What about because these two races were part of the cross country that that allowance group And of course malibu star came out of it but Family biz was a was a a nice thirteen dollar thirteen. Eighty start to the cross country. Yeah i i liked them too nice. Yeah he was. It was against the track two straight races. I mean he. He had been wide against the gold rail to start stacking last race he ran was the day of extreme the wind. I guess affecting it on that that claiming allowance day. And if you watch the races and go through them or you just look at my track trends. You'll see it. I talked about the it. Closures were severely inhibited. And if you look at the races almost nobody was able to make up any ground whatsoever. And now he's in a race with favored who's four to five is coming up to dress up gold rail warm ince's and the pace figure the a little bit more oddest in here. And you know. I just so he camis obvious. You've got vulnerable favourite based on you know with the track trips and you've got worse the against the track as you go backwards of course who won the race. She ran a ninety four buyer easily. Good enough to win this race. He's easy easier sad. So you know. Have the win like all the time. They certainly don't win all the time they're gonna win probably more than there is. It's probably how you get paid right quite horses. That are better than they were conveyed. Not mean have this sort of you know about the afraid to pick courses that lose. Not you know the difference between thinking that being some kind of public. Andy capper in you know. What's the jackasses. On twitter to say i never pick a winner. You know And my entire talents are for judge. By towns they are good battery different but you know the the The entire you know might your talents should be judged by how winners you bet is now. Picking delaware happened to get off was a better pick than the david dunk. Were second rate. So i like to got beaten into wire and eleven to one. They were good tax one of them out to win one of a loss. You know not sure you want to judge somebody by the absolute results at listen. You do have to at some point you right. You can't constantly getting worse. Ten to one run third or fourth yes. They're outrunning ause. They're still never win. There's there's a there's a line between those two but I listen on the. I act like i'm the smartest person in the world occasionally. At least you know a couple of times a year defeat. The smartest person goes both ways. Thank you know the show. You know by sal jonathan maggie. We're okay the outward. We better be right occasionally you know. So don't none of us should be overly complicated. When we're smarter be simple nice works you know what i mean and move on shows nevertheless anyway. The races aren't about us about who he picked. Yeah you're out. You're going to labor day impacts. It's never bad thing to give so immediate credit. But that's it you know that To to belabor. The point is ridiculous. I we're supposed to be good at what we do right. We'd better be good at what we do occasionally but this time so. I don't think anyone that myself. Do you ever be lauded for picking winners by god but on the other hand. I'm not to the these jerks that you know that they hire you know you know basis you you know. I had one winner today or what never picks litters favor. Common never had a winner the lack of for six horse race. There was a lot that went on in this and That included That included you know yankee division who you knew was going to be short price you have to make an evaluation of up by two straight golden rail. I have had this big five. Because i could never have curie right so i didn't look at the giant's causeway are the does. It was another race. Roy keane with its name for belt worse that spurt phillies bears day rates for and You know by my sanders. I would have preferred russia russia but by standard. Obviously pretty one. It's hard you know. This is a couple of the verses. Doesn't even got all you gotta get. All many people cut right now. It was it was there was that it's been like this every week. I'm almost every week. I mean not only do you have to come up with a horse. Like change of control and and and family biz or or delaware but then there's some very tough In this case stay quitter effect. That's two weeks in a row. You've had a crazy stake winner right because bourbon ic was in last week's so it it's a handful. It's a handful That's it you know this family biz. I'm just looking Me what a nice career. This sources had a five year old and he just kind of a knockabout You know i to have him on the show. He's fed biz you know. He was bred by the leib. Alex and joanne libor. Julie bread him and he's now made almost four hundred thousand running in a running in this kind of You know high claimer claimed for twenty thirty to thirty two interesting nice horse. That's it's like that kind of that kind. of course we should also include. How about erogenous. When in the top flight. She's you know she's gone on nicely. This has been a hell of a nice new jersey bread and modest really. Had her career continue right along vibration races. Yeah okay so. I'm doesn't trigger job. She's better image. Did previously g really nice source. They're always get left third which was a good return. It was a good bounceback for For mrs dan version went poorly down at gulfstream. And they both ryan welcome to stop to You know to run against some of the big girls but they possibly could rows this pass so i think she's a the very least a fringe player in the debates races. And as a right to be a player she wanted to build a comfort with a hundred fire. She's okay well you know. I mean i'm listening match. Certainly looking forward to seeing a runway girl in swiss cyber Square off in oakland this weekend. That's a that's pretty exciting matchup. We'll be covering that race. Actually one st racism from five to eight on saturday That's an exciting match up. I prefer with diver ouattara. Sacra montenegro shows up every time. But i was just reading something. We're talking about facing boys with her. This is probably a good year for them to do it. Based on what we've seen this year. Maybe that's why they want to do it. But you know as good as mine legal is. Our consistency is extremely loud laudable. It's not very fast worse. And i would be concerned about if she wants against. And you know. I guess but i. I appreciate that would do that. I think we you know too often. It's it's it's become a real problem erasing over the last twenty years of were overly worry about horses records you know instead of running to the dig races tavern and see where they stamp you know and i mean you think about beholder how important it was for her sort of Her legacy a lot of ways that she ran that p classic that huge race to the classic that day. If she had done that there was some question. What limits where she rents a burgh races on the best razor builder of iran was when she lost kentucky. Oh she rents huge that day But i think certain important races. And i thought you know always wanted. My criticisms always remain yada. Fortunately she ran in softer spots as opposed to trying a couple of hollywood gold cops you know And different things spots. What rate a win and racist like that could have done or even a loss you know her lost. The blame always sort of confirmed her hurt her tremendous talent and a lot of ways in ways that you know running in the same race beating saint trinian's or or something didn't do and i think there's nothing wrong with losing races. It's that competition showing the limits. What we can do. I think we saw the possible limits of what to do when she had built. It was terrific. Absolutely terrific and then get only enhancer losing but risks something to game something right. Well this fits in. I mean we we. We've got a couple other races probably to talk about in new york. But this kind of fits in with the whole discussion point about all these three start. Three year olds that that that are being anointed. This one's undefeated that one's onto undefeated crap. It's a silly. We've manicure their campaign fair. Essential quality You know he has for the rate raises in one quickly. Go back suicide. The opposite actually. Take on all comers. She's lost her share. Nobody remembers the racist. Nobody smart remembers the they she walked. Remember the big great she rants so suicide good example that people don't really care about losses as long as you're trying you're running in those raisins in fact it enhances her credentials but as far as derby. I mean i. i don't knock the route. They take on central quality. I would. I would let a respectfully or not. I would disagree with anybody. That has an assertion that sense of quality a shoulder. He's dominant group. And i think for people that are smart enough to not for opinions on their derby orces three months or two months one month or even two weeks before the race and are open to the pcp's and seeing draw. You go into this that open mind and you look at essential quality. You're not betting short price and you're not even betting the three to one Because short prices twenty was not can't win not to say deserting paper but he has yet to run a breakout figure. he's consistently running for the same numbers and yes. He is an adaptable horse. And it has to his credit that he's able to be closer or rate and still run his rate and that is a positive for sure but the reality that saying he makes his own tricks. There are a lot of very good horses that make their own trips. That somebody else made a horrible trip for them and the derby and a lot of things will happen the irby and maybe he'll you know be like that character. Little big man who walks the battles never gets hit and he'll somehow send his career scaping trouble probably not and i wouldn't wanna take essential party store. Price saying yeah. Well he always gets perfect trip out. There's a reason they call trips so he's probably terrible gamble the race while possibly being the worst to be And i think that you look at the bbc start looking. It's a more competitive race in that rock. Your world might be a very good horse. We certainly look very good in kentucky. I mean in santa anita last time debate scenario may be different. Is he to be as effective of horse if he's not able to get the lead You know how is the pace of hot rod. Charlie thing Is he going to be effective when he is naval control. How good were those forces in louisiana. I mean if somebody said to me steve asks going to win the derby. I would certainly like to take midnight. Bourbon over the horse. That wanted arkansas. They got a dream set up a slow rate. So you know these are decisions you'll have to me. I think i think the night. Bourbon is going to be a huge price in the race. I'm not saying. I liken but let's give him a little credit. He's the one worst in louisiana. The showed off win. Well every single one of their preps manhood fell by the wayside stocks. Drop off the face of the earth vertically after this past weekend. They'll maybe it was the wet track. That's hardly a reasonable excuse So i think the number of credit for that and he's got speed but he may not need the league or others best race. I don't know just you know the started stuff out there. I think that it's a problem. You say the rates were. Nobody's ready fastbraces. They're all sort of running. Okay racist so. I think a lot worse this potentially the most interesting derby in while which is a good thing i think. I think that'll be the conclusion that people draw. Once you know once we get the the field closer to firmed up and people can evaluate what what's going to happen pace wise and It the of what. I'm saying about making new inclusions two and three months before the race. There's a lot of people say says qualities was the favorites. He goes up three to one right in the future. Apple which we know is idiotic And then he has a very big and he made he actually made it and he won the race that he you know what his neck over by motivated. The bluegrass rates could easily come the other way And then what price would be right in a in a still gotta get there so stop deciding who your derby horses. The lesson to be learned as stop handicapping races long before they're being run. There's just no reason you don't get paid more unless you're getting may we'll we'll circle back in a second to the arkansas derby Result a- because there are some lessons to be had in there. But i do want to touch on a couple of other performances and bittersweet yesterday had the plenty of grace Regal glory the the winner and and ran ran well and happy for for peter brand. I sure wish paul pop of was still well versus during shoes right by all you raised follow. Who's your dad's yeah So it's nice to. It's always nice. Pop reverses ron and remember paul so obviously i think. I don't think there's a single person on earth that doesn't wish all ombu that knows the new any about the else but the people that do all association certainly wish he was around. No question about wonderful person racing were you. You can't find the well well put I start for peter brant and starts out the five year old year nicely and chandler's claim for twelve thousand five hundred two races around one last fall one this year and really say oh she can only wear it act with no but i know that face wasn't that strong but i thought he would battling with regal glory down. The stretch she is is that was on fire lazy. That was a nice start question. We should to races trained by don beach. It was her final trader. Who don't know your show. I five years. Maybe less giving pathetic. How about that good job. Good job accurate. We love we love. Gifting board the senior ops giving train. We were discussing that to say gop dodger. Young that'll donald shape. That'll make you look at your look at your versus I know that everybody was excited about the performance of stage raider at keeneland but if they didn't see always carina yesterday ninety two buyer in the debut there were three extremely impressive made winter soldier yes was following who won at over on fabric source Another one was sage. Reiter the half to justify won the last race in the slop. Humans that ninety he fires same figures lexington policy. Got the biggest thing Free roles you've got a ninety seven seconds slower than account lee and and then always corinna the the first time before Three kiddies they won the first race of the instructor. Also the slop which i've got a ninety two buyer so yes. There were free to browse babar. Three berry Impressive wins the other two. Were second time stars. This is the first time started so yeah brighter and brighter. See you there was also there was also actually a maiden act At oakland won the of. Brad coaxes the daredevil. He's my honey. Badger got got a solid solid graduation number. Eighty six for that one As well as the happy the race fallen be receive is happy figuring second chasing that. He's in a very unlucky worse. You know he started square and highly motivated raced. Saratoga were newsom for todd pletcher. And then he wanted to came running bob cutthroat jewel again and he comes back off a layoff and he was into this creek show worse pretty good worst. But steve's managed to get and you know he seems like you know in the days for so few races that strong paces seems to to find song on every race runs in in the voice even though he's so for three buddy i brought him up with with with asmussen. Because that really you know it really felt like Actually that was a race. That on friday when we were weak weekend previewing. That was a race there. Was somebody else. In fact the horse i think that was third at that. Had that had major pedigree as well so there was really no know jones. Larry jones had the lyric jones. Yeah have the sibling to rocketry. The horsely was third rising empire. Yes yes that could be okay. That was I started the season for that one. There was a bunch of pedigree on parade On On saturday at oak. Want in fact. I didn't i didn't notice how the firing line the sibling no good. No good didn't run. Good was seventh. Frosted blue Eddie speaking of oaklawn and of course the the broadcasts that are tying together action around the country what explained to everybody the pace scenario lesson that that was being discussed pretty immediately after the arkansas derby in regards to concert tour and whether it was simply a matter of getting an easier pace in the rebel or is this a horse. Do you think might be a little distance. Compromised doesn't necessarily going to relish that trip because it sure looked like he was comfortable on the backstretch he was rating comfortably. Wow near listen. I was wrong about connor river. People that said he it was an and also say it was bad ride. The rebel is really fair to florante. Because my guess is this was signed the blackhawks monitored as well so. I don't think it was a bad ride was decision. That didn't work out. There's a very big difference between the two. And i think it be very unfair to criticize raw for what happened the rebel. I don't think there's too many of us out there. That thought it wasn't the right tactic. It turned out that he's not a worst comfortable rating like that outside forces they learned that the ardor preps don't have to win them. You wanna find out things were so they round out at a river is he needs to be on the edge and i thought if they wrote them in rebel the way they would back nowhere now maybe they both would have backed off as it turned out would have been very different race but run runs best race going wrong. He needs to be forward. I know that he may not win. Them you may not be able to be good enough in them today. How much pressure he gets but at the end of the day. He's gonna run worse if he's tried to raise them so we've learned that about how far as concert tour. Well let's see the freedom by. I mean all of this stuff is in retrospect so i did think he would win the race for i also brought up. There is the scenario because you knew the cat terrific was going to go that they got engaged and ended up blowing up the race in in an incredible blow up but it did certainly their performances. But in retrospect you beat freedom by kayla goffman stinks and yeah he rated that day but it was seven came back around terribly and not pretty soft pay class sons and the pace got heart and it was sixteen my longer. I think concern with him was as you say. This was comfortable. I'm unlike the race call was not length. Nab nabet front this stretch but he did get run hours. And i'll you gotta athletes and by the end. But as soon as he did that the other was just came and swallowed him off and he got out gained by kc river. So it says things distance limitations. Then you know once again well everybody was cavalier about concert tour because he won by you know many lights and oh don't forget he've he could've gone fast. What we saw is that when he was ninety four. And that's why the race say let's wait and see the big and see how good they are and like what you see. Be good runs one. Oh seven go. Ooh he was burying out but the fact one and concert whereas night or did you go. Oh yeah. I looked at brass him but tonight rates but it just puts them in the blog with all the other horses and he didn't pass his next test. I don't know what you know. Listen a lot of people myself. Included thought offensive. Then run particularly well. Hostile he came back and won derby that starts that don worst defense back off off lesser performances and run. Well who knows. I'm not gonna say the concert for can't win the kentucky derby but certainly wasn't a pretty impressive performance and far as the winner. Yeah he improved. No doubt about it is see bassin's great again. These routers to improve is not wanting the derby getting absolute dream trip in the space fibers fields. with a ninety two buyer. You know maybe you'll be just good enough like creator the other steve astronauts to by knows my birthday for a big score. I don't even. I don't even want to bring that one. That was that was a train wreck in slow motion anyway but at the rate once again dirty rats you know you look at the first half of the derby press before the final ones. We saw nothing but favorites winning them and watchable results and sort of you sort of fringe players falling by the wayside. And you know the names. The ones you expect shortbread sources continuing on what we've seen. A lot of the final frappes is a very different story. and that's you know that's why they're crafts. You learn things about these horses. And they're so whitening rates that are working to brew or worse. Can you know served expos. And let's face it concentrated got exposed and we learn that both he and kettle river better horses when they're able to control especially going longer but then again what's the worst isn't better when they can control and they would caught a river. I wouldn't put that way. I would say the kat river is just ineffective rating many shorter great but going well on. He's not waiting racist going on my season against any competent field. I should say gets a bad. Probably could do well and you go back. You just look through. You look through the. Pp's with him. I mean he broke his maiden broke his to writing right now he now he pretty much pretty much got now Giroux pretty much took control pretty quickly and and and wired wired the field it was in his in his second storrow seven eighth when speakers corner beat him and greatest honor was third behind and mild was for a first one star. Beer breath it I think he's trae again. I'm not sure that he he looks pretty good too. I don't know what's happened seekers corner that that still mad about that. He's another godolphin. I mean run yes and closing at saratoga. It didn't get the best trips ran third and he came back in one. That was a super. We knew at the time that was a super tough made race about but Yeah i mean be interesting to see speaker score come back and miles de come back at some point as well that was race. Some buddies was dying to get on. Your show is last. Guess waiting wellings. Well as a no as it happens. I i was trying I was trying earlier to finalize. Rachel blackmore the writer. Who made history on saturday. Yes i can't. I'll tell you what you watch that It it is so harrowing to watch what is at nine minutes horse. It's unbelievable guys guys. You know flying off. And i mean oh yeah yeah yeah they they go back and forth They after you know each one does minute and a half give or take two minutes. It is well it. What was you'll remember this. Well you remember everything there. There was a the network. did that with With maybe jimmy. The greek and charleston. Kanthi and where we're different people commented as the race was going on do you this obviously. Yeah this is a. You'll remember this. Yeah no all right. I get eric random yogurt in history early today. we had. We had a baby over the weekend. Do you know what it's like. When you have a baby i it it it throws you off your whole bio rhythm and i don't know it's like when you have a baby but other than that fails. I finally looking ahead to this week. I I was hoping. I don't know how i can pull this off because i'm leaving friday for kentucky so i i were running in the first and second to two weeks. When we're we're we're in those first two races on thursday. I and i would love to come down but i don't. I just don't see how it's practical how you would like to. How would you like me to address a lot. See with accurate up this weekend. Exactly i'm gonna. I'm gonna try to To see if. I can't out alert media. So if you're gonna to be there you know there will be a special entrance. I'll tell people you know. They're coming for their for their cove shots to to make sure they make way for you on the special food in the you know upstairs for everybody. It'll be a huge day. Should we make shit. That would all die. You're talking you're talking. I'm going to all right. I guess all right like no you can. That's fine if somebody or you really out throughout the out of actual things to talk about. But well no i. I've fact that we're running. Got the i don't think i can't remember that we've ever run horses in back to back races in in the thirteen fourteen and your listeners you think are overly interested in the travails geeky. Stable people take an interest. They root for they. I would say on more than three. I'm gonna say i'll double digits. I guarantee you guarantee me get reducing the actual number of I think people do like to. They follow the horses and they like to see us. Succeed do well. I've shared that. We all like to see to bradford. Since what percentage your viewers you. They knew that the second was church. Zondo in the second race. Because i know. I didn't know that was your horse until you just told me well I didn't know what percentage of your listeners today did it depends on. How many look ahead to thursday. That also that's part of the equation. Your card. I didn't notice all right. Well it is and Been looking forward to getting him on the grass. I tell you what just changed my entire outlook for thursday. It's shut things differently. It's been great. I appreciate it and America's they at the reasons back This week every course every single day. There's no stopping it now. And of course the will shift to the The coverage seal start to shift To churchill when churchill season starts hockey when daffy exciting. You're you're definitely coming Yeah terrific terrific. What was the last. What was the last nerve you saw in person. Yeah only i'm reincarnating. Oh that was a breeders cup. That was the breeders cup when you came. You were my airport. That's right that's right. Okay right we've gotten all sorts of dumb things out of the way calculator serwer. Everybody as always just i it. It make sure week the warmth the the cuddling a. He's the greatest. It's only what had We i was trying to frankly that one of the reasons. I wasn't distracted at the beginning of the conversation. Because i have been trying to. I'm trying separately as we're talking. I was trying to nail down Rachel blackmore to join us. And it's going to have to wait until tomorrow. Unfortunately so we'll see an and of course. Now actually the timing. If if i had gotten the confirmation would have carved out a full twenty five minutes for but we can't. We can't get around today so we will save it. If you did not see the grand national this is really an important story and i. i don't know if people realize the significance of her winning this race and becoming the first female jockey to win The national it. It's it's an incredible moment and it was so much fun to watch for and the ride she gave. I mean it's one thing you know. The fact that it's historic is fine. She put a ride on this manila. That was one of the one of the four or five horses. That steve anderson did. Bring up the other day In fact i think even a pretty sure. I saved let me see. I'm pretty sure. I save that list Usually that kind of thing announced let there. That was one of the horses that here. It is that steve talked about here. We go Kimberlite candy Acapella bourgeois who. I think Pulled up of course. The favorite favorite made it a little past. Maybe about two thirds of the way through before he was eased that cloth-cap. But then actually i'm just looking at these five steve pad the first and fourth place. Finisher right borough. Saint was fourth and you had to enormous prices and henry debrum ed Runs one two in here with manila times and she if you watch the race all you have to do is train on her in the green and yellow jacket You know the it looks a lot like Looks a lot like bob. In beverly lewis's jacket and she is tucked in no worse than about seven at any point saving ground as she's she's all the way on the inside all the way around and there was only really obviously discuss it the weather but there was only i would say to jumps if you watch her. I watched it again this morning. And there's really only two jumps fairly late. I one of them was the twenty-sixth because i marked it down. The twenty six th minella times did not get over as smoothly but otherwise there was one other jump where he landed a little awkwardly but other than that he jumped so beautifully and is absolutely traveling. Just i mean through out. Just perfectly positioned and and always traveling like a winner really So it it. It is really pretty special and i. I cannot wait For the chance to to let her talk about it There was a lot there was a lot out of this And i think everybody knock on wood. I think everybody got out ok. There was one. I know there was one writer that There was one writer that was kind of most motionless. the I think everybody came out. Okay and you know on this topic by the way. Not only not only. Was there a that part of the historic weekend. But on friday friday or saturday morning Carry a brion. Who took over the jonathan sheppard stable. She had her last starter of the season and she ends up winning With that mean queen which is very cool. So congratulations and we'll get we'll get carry on at some point. I'm sure to As we you know as the as the rest of the it was friday by the way But she had a very successful winter jump. Season hunt Meet season over in the uk. So congratulations to carry real as well you had also had. I didn't. I forgot to mention it friday but you had They were in moncton This week get the my lady's manor of they were doing. The i think mostly think it was mostly timber right. Mostly timber raises on saturday. Couple of well. We got five minutes to close out and let me see what else we can go ahead and slip been We'll probably tomorrow of probably get a chance to Get the michelle level on about michelle. Always happy for her to do well and change. Control was that was tremendous and a nice price boost Bret calhoun by the way with the with the two wins and calhoun. I mentioned this the beginning of the show. Silver dust in the ben ally and by my standards in the oakland mile. So we'll We'll hear from brett middle being tomorrow. As wealth touched on most of the i think we i know i mentioned him in passing. Oh you know. What i didn't talk about was the count fleet and whitmore whitmore certainly got the pace to run into but flooring giroux with a very clever ride on cc rocket that was very nicely done and by taking the outside flow was able to you know kind of lope along and let the pace unfold and then moved to the outside and that. I think that's spelled the difference. Me wins by two. But in the meantime santana was a little kind of bottled up. And i mean certainly wasn't impeded. I wouldn't say at any point You know he but he did have to kind of way. And you know if you flip flop those trips whitmore may be wins and ceesay rocket My get there late so nice job by giroux and he. This horse has just been. This was what he was always meant to do. Obviously was keep it short and he parlays the hot springs prep Into a count fleet win. So they'll i'm sure they'll meet in a down the road as the summer turns into fall. Whitmore ceesay rocket thinks. He got right. Think he got a triple digit out of this. If i'm not mistaken right yes one. Oh one one one buyer winning the count fleet and that's his that's his first in a while actually The at a go back to a row outra at churchill november of nineteen. He'd been mostly running mid high ninety five ninety six ninety seven ninety eight so a second off the layoff and a nice win gary barber and saw cumin and tom cable with ceesay rocket wrote beside that we talked about with the talked about those impressive Maiden winners to chat for Baffert and let's see what else following see. We got Edge way i reiterate reiterate the john sadler can win elsewhere. Mantra that he's my honey. Badger that. I mentioned that win. For steve landers and this is a a dare devil. Colt read by richard forbush and this was a fourth career start. Did get a start in as a two year old and then ran into Out of the legend last time turns back nothing like a turn back right career-best and Maybe that's again what he wanted all along. He's my honey. Badger eighty five buyer. Speaking cox and There was another no that was brought. That horse up with steve asmussen mighty mischief. I liked you know. It's funny about the give you one other maiden one other maiden from the car on saturday and agusan i were were texting back and forth. And you don't always need. You don't always need to have a strong wind opinion and the nightcap saturday at at oaklawn kinda prove that there was a horse that jumped out at me a little bit when i had decamped friday night and i wrote this up friday. 'cause i knew we were going to have the you know the the baby was gonna come friday night so i knew i wouldn't have time saturday morning to to really do the right up. Jews sandra in that mile and a sixteenth maiden race the thirteenth. At oakland donny. Donny k von email has had a horrific. Some winter is very strange but june. Sandra kind of jumped me. Second time going on and i made i made him the the best value horse. And if ever there was a the kind of horse that you want to utilize with the reverse trike we talk about and as an exact a little bit to win batum underneath the obvious horses and then try keyed him and the triple pay two hundred dollars for a buck. They just under one hundred ninety and forty one to one and ran. You know okay so just you just well enough so that you don't always have to pick winners. He just find you know. Find the right person that goes a long way This was fun and a fast. Three hours steve. Asmussen kenny mcpeek eric. Hallstrom on the era of indiana grant. Jay primm minute addie surly back tomorrow with more recapping and megan much much more. Good luck of your plan to everybody. Those Those horses that steve asmussen told you about right at At delta today and let me see what else Delta beholding parks turf paradise at will rogers your action today. The lock talking in the morning dope apple races with feedback own sirius. Xm radio there's a great story to talent. 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Trainer Talk with Phil Bauer

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

57:11 min | 3 weeks ago

Trainer Talk with Phil Bauer

"This is trainer talk on the horse. Racing radio worried network presented by phasing tipton. But all the game wins. We'll get trainer. Steve asmussen career win number six thousand. It was all of another doug. I'm nail trainer six win and al's rosie gotta give trainer gary contessa. His two thousand career win on dialed in never go to. It was animal capetown's graham sleeve hobby with career victory of a one thousand dollar fraud. Now here's mike penna low again. Everyone and welcome to the show. Trainers listened to this is trainer. Talk presented by facing tipton right here. On the horse. Racing radio network. Mike pana baron of the backstretch in the saddle with you for the next hour all across north america on serious to nineteen. Xm to oh one and streaming live or podcast on our h. r. r. n. Website horse racing radio dot net. Well today's guest was born and raised in the derby city louisville kentucky and at age thirty sixty is the youngest of six children. That's right. I said six children. He began training in two thousand. Thirteen saddling eighty winners to date. Nine of those eleven percent of his total wins coming in the first half of twenty twenty one which puts them on pace to reach a brand new single season record for wins in his very young career today he reaches yet another milestone as he makes his trainer. Talk debut right here on the horse racing radio network. Please join me in welcoming trainer. Phil bauer to trainer. Talk presented by phase tipton. Phil welcome mike. Thanks for having me on. It's great to be here. Yeah appreciate it and thanks for taking the time. Let's start with this five siblings in your immediate family. That's a an old school catholic. Upbringing isn't it is sir yes Four older sisters and one older brother puts me at the bottom of six and my dad was the oldest of eight and his family and my mom was the middle child of five. So family gatherings Tend to get Pretty swollen and whatever building. We're in but certainly always A lot of fun when we can. I always tell the story. I'm one of three. And i'm the oldest and i always tell the story that you know when i was born. I had to do everything by the book. I was sent to catholic school all the way through high school when my sister came along she made it through middle school and then when my brother came along it was all public school and they said hey. Go play in traffic. Do what you want as the youngest so for you is the youngest. What was the experience like You know sometimes that others but Like you i was Catholic schools through twelfth grade and Maybe the siblings paved away similar to you as far as extracurricular activities and stuff that the rules seem to loosen up a little bit As my parents got a little older but certainly Had a very blessed childhood and Very fortunate To be where. I am today. Any other family members involved in racing My grandfather is kind of the reason why i fell in love with it. He he Bred and raced some some lower end horses at river. Downs turf way Some other small tracts there and had a farm out in pewee valley kentucky that they brought some of the retired marriage home and bred them out and stuff so he He kind of started the way. And then Couple of my uncles will dabble in some partnerships and whatnot and Other than that. Nobody else has really followed in the footsteps. While that's amazing. What did they think of you being a horse trainer. And doing this for a living you know. I think They they realize it's a dream. Come true for me You know growing up as a kid that you know. I wanna ask what he wanted to do when you grow up and i always said i wanted to be a horse trainer and How i was going to do it. I didn't know it certainly didn't jump right into it. But was fortunate enough to actually get a trainer's license and be a horse trainer. So guess sam. Living a dream and In although some days are harder than others in this this game. It's it's still still a dream come true. Why a horse trainer phil why not doing something in the front office of a race track or you know something more More in line will what what would be considered a regular profession if you will a nine to five type job. White white train horses for a living And it's got to be the love of it. certainly I tell people that aren't familiar with the horse racing game that it's not a job it's a lifestyle and it's it's very Different than anything you grew up with. You know nine to fivers. Our busiest times of the weekends sometimes holidays. Because that's when Majority of the races occur but You know it's it's definitely the love of it and You know the horses. They just seem to take you to happy place when you're around them and Certainly I don't i can't imagine doing anything else And being as happy as i am. Certainly i had some other jobs when i was younger. That were Just jobs so this. This is definitely a a true love. You don't have what three kids of your own is that right. Yep we got My wife ashley. And i have A seven six and four year old. Our our oldest will be ate on halloween. So we're in the thick of it and Very blessed with with health and You know sometimes obedience. But that's that's how kids go but mom gets most the credit for for that 'cause she she's She takes on the brunt of everything year round. When i have to travel and stuff like that once the kids started school it was decided to keep them in one place. So fortunate Mr rig me and tammy they They have a strong belief in family. So some trips home or are not only allow but expected for me and it's good to To have that Possibility and referring to richard and tammy rig rig knee racing you of course. Phil are the private trainer for them. We're gonna spend plenty of time talking about richard and tammy and that relationship as we move throughout the show but you mentioned that the fact that you know your job is a job that takes you away from the family so often because you you have to travel a little bit your big days or on the weekends so as the kids get older and get into more activities. There's gonna be things that you're going to miss. It's inevitable with being a horse trainer. How do you find that balance. How are we able to do that. kind of goes back to actually. She's she's kinda hold it together. I I was at force enough to help coach. my oldest and middle child's Basketball and and coach pitch leaks this year and that That was a lot of fun. 'cause 'cause like you said you do miss a lot a lot of the winter sports and stuff You missed just because you're not there. But the summer were lucky enough to stable of churchill majority of the spring and summer so i jumped at the opportunity when when the availability was was there for for some assistant coaching. And you know it I think it's important for me to do that. The fact that i i am so vacant at times but Modern technology helps with facetime and stuff like that. So certainly maybe a little more context and gaza game before me. But it's tough but I think we knew what we signed up for when we started a family and It's tell count of take it in stride type deal. What's a bigger challenge training a young race horse or keeping three young children in line. Well i'd say majority of the time the children but you'll get your bad actor every now and then with the with the baby but you know that that kind of goes to who Who break some force and certainly Had the the fortune of getting horses kind of straightforward. And all i gotta do is create a training regimen form. And they just bounce along usually so very we haven't had a terrible one Yet but i'm sure it'll happen eventually talking with trainer. Phil bauer here. On trainer talk presented by phasing. Tipton if you are just joining us. Fill began training horses on his own in two thousand thirteen to date. He has saddled eighty winners nine of those already coming in the first half of twenty twenty one so it's been a fantastic year and we will continue to talk about the recent developments in the career of phil. Bauer but phil. I want to go back to your grandfather for a minute. You mentioned that. He bred and raced horses and he's really the reason that you became interested in horse racing in the first place. What do you remember being around the horses with him. Is that how it all started. Certainly They had a swimming pool at the farm. So as kids we would always go out there during the summer and and When we weren't swimming run back to the barn and The big thing when we kid when they kind of fed them or the afternoon evening. Turn out that. We were allowed to lead some to and from the barn and Just love being around horses and then they ran would attend some of the races with them and it Went back to the barn. you know. Got to to see how that all works so it's It's kinda love at first sight. Type deal that My my My mom and for me. As i got older that my name greek meets lover of horses so well that was fitting you know surely I don't know if they would have intended to join the industry. But it I guess the name matches you know. My grandparents were not involved in racing in any way. None of my family was as a matter of fact. I'm the only one. But when i would go visit them as a as a kid we would go for walks around the neighborhood and there was a small farm not too far from their house. Where there was a chestnut horse would come over to the fence. And we would feed that horse peppermint and i was very young. But i'll i'll never forget that horse's name his name was toby and we would continue to to walk by there every time we go visit them and it was really a highlight. And i think that had a lot to do in my early interest in horses to Do you remember some of your grandfather's top horses or is there a horse or two that sticks out to you from your childhood he had. He had an older mayor that that You know most of his horses didn't didn't account too much on the race track but she was One of their broodmares in her name was icy rainbows. We actually my brother and our Helped name one of her foals in his name was chief rainbow and it. So you you you think back. And they're like well that was kind of original but He's about chief honcho. I believe but You know another one that they had. I think they're one of their better horses. was a filly named diffa dot that My grandmother actually went with My uncle to couldn't remember what wholesale it was but basically just picked her out in the back rain 'cause she was think her was she was spunky and she turned out to be a pretty nice horse that they sold and i wanna say. My bell ended up trainer at the end of her career. But she was she placed in the humanities death at churchill and You know it was one of those things that those stories usually don't work when you you pick a horse blindly but this one did for them I don't i don't think at eight my grandfather up but it was almost Comical that you know she she goes through. Salem picks out one and it pretty much ended up being their best. Indiana bread That they fold out their that named my sweet shook and You know that indiana program. We've had some success in ourselves so it was nice to kind of not necessarily following their footsteps but experienced some of the same success. You know at brought back some memories so that was fun. Yeah is your grandfather's still living. No no he's he's been gone for a few years now but The Certainly made us more quality as here. I wonder what he would say if he could see what what you were doing for a living now and seeing how well you're doing i don't they'd be proud. I mean he had. He had a lot of Grandchildren that Everyone of snow that they they loved us and You know we were frequently over at their their farm and stuff so we We all had good relationships them and actually worked Summers At his place of business selling semi truck part so he was pretty influential in my life In more ways than just sources. So how did you come to start working with horses. You didn't just show up at the track and say hey give me a job. Did you sort of we. I decided that I was gonna join the family business filling semi truck parts and About couple years in they Were presented an opportunity to sell and I didn't want to work for the company that bought them. So on a random encounter churchill. Downs on mother's day up opted Richard klein and my sister had been a nanny for him When his kids were younger. And i said hey. I'm kind of looking for a job. How about You help me get a job on the backside. And that time he had horses margolis and sure enough he Hooked me up with steve and my first job back. There was walking. For for steve margolis and now a lot of times. We'll call each other and if we need help with company breezing or anything like that a lot of time. It's team sources so it's it's funny. How and everything kind of comes full circle or just I think a lot of my career has been in the right place at the right time and you know you think back to that elevator ride just the doors open and he was in certainly I don't know if it's fate but it certainly worked out. Yeah timing is everything and yet there. There's that saying that says you rather be lucky than good and you're certainly lucky being there in the right place at the right time. And steve margolis is. He's been on this program before. And he's somebody that that i got to know when i was working at keeneland you know gosh fifteen years ago twenty years ago now and You know what a great guy to learn from in steve margolis. Yeah he's It's nice about. Steve is kind of will There's no secrets i mean. He's he's going to give his opinion and And any will help you any kids so just nice nice to have some some good friends. Back there on the backside. That will support shift congratulate you every time you win and you know. He's usually one of the first text i get. You mentioned that when you first went to work for him you started as so many people. Do you started walking hots and doing that around the barn. How long did it take you to get comfortable in that role or were you already pretty handy around horses. At that point you know there was I would say that it was a mild. The learning curve is you know you're used to horses on a farm and neither their heads just dropped and you're just leaving them around with the pony pony. Snap but you know the racetrack is a different environment and certainly different Stage of horse. Cnn athletes that are Just ready to rock and roll so it didn't take long to realize that it was You know you had to pay attention and Couldn't just lead him around in a circle. There was more to it. What things did steve do. Well that you kind of took from watching him that you still use today. You know i think From what. I gathered in the short time i worked for him. Is that He pretty good judge of talent and You know sometimes owners don't wanna hear it Judging from from conversations with some trainers and stuff that their horses are not what we had hoped they'd be. But and steve always seemed to kind of judge. A horse's talent level fairly quickly. And that i think that helped with his success. You know you put them in the right spot. You're you're more likely to win. What was the next step after. Working with steve. Where'd you go my My uncle that was Involved in the horse industry was Working for kenny mcpeek in his office on his farm. And that's when i began my less dent with him they were looking for help at saratoga. As for one always is. And i drove up there blindly and to work as a groom there and When the the saratoga meet was over a went back to churchill and was kinda placed into more of a former enroll with Just a little more responsibility. That i was able to kind prove myself wanting to do more and willing to kind of make some sacrifices and stuff like that so i think anybody that does that just from the the people that kind of were underneath me as assistant with kenny. That you can see quickly that they'll be able to make it 'cause they're they're willing to sacrifice willing to work and not not ask. Why and and you know this this. This industry like you said isn't nine to five so you're working long hours or or weird hours and sometimes you have to do things that necessarily isn't In your job but you know needs to get done so. I think people that are willing to to do that. Have a chance to succeed. for elevate in in Responsibility roles within a bar. That's interesting. I've never heard a trainer. Say that to me that there are times when you have to do some things that aren't necessarily in your job description. Give me an example of that phil for people that are listening. And don't understand what a barn form and is or how this progression works quite typically with trainers. Give me an example of something that you may have had to do. That wasn't necessarily your responsibility. Well When i was with kenny one of the big things was was driving the the box. Van after your morning work To and from the farm you know rotating horses out that needed a break bringing them in making runs on races and stuff like that so you know. There was a lot of times that You'd work on morning than helping that truck and make Some some rotations and I remember A couple of times up at turf way. I mean they run night. You're driving up there and your weight you're in the last race there Running the horse and loading it up and bring it back and you know it all. It was worth it at the end of the day. But certainly when you were doing it. What favorite thing to do. Yeah then you're up early the next morning to right right. Yeah no no no days off. Usually kenny mcpeek is somebody. That's in the spotlight quite often because he has so many really good horses and he does such a great job with his his stable. But one thing that. I think it's overlooked with any trainer and the people that are coming up underneath them and work with them is the type of teacher that they are because they're they're teaching even though they're running their their business over here on the other side of things. So what kind of teacher was ken. Mcpeek Kenny was a teacher. That kind of Allowed you to learn Through responsibility so you know he. His his big thing was was to take the role. And if if I think one of his works was delegate and to take take what you're doing and learn from so a lot of the times you know i was a churchill. He was in lexington. It was you know. Let's see let's talk about it. But let's do you think is best and i think that was Helpful that sometimes. When people hold your hand you don't learn as well or as quickly because you're dependent and With him and gave not necessarily a lot of free reign but put a lot of trust and In in your role as assistant at I think it helps you in the long run. Yeah i think so too and you also get to learn from your mistakes. Because i'm sure that when you're being delegated tasks they're going to be certain things that you're not gonna do exactly right on the first try but every one of those is a learning experience right right. I mean if you can't Better yourself from a mistake. Then it's you're in a row of bad cycle so certainly That that was part of it. You know you if you did something wrong. He he Told you you did wrong. And you better yourself and i think there was a majority of the time understanding that sometimes you were still learning and it was It was it was good for me. Talk you we trainer phil bauer here. On trainer talk presented by phasing tipton. Tell me about some of the the big name horses. You had a chance to be around when you were working with kenny. I'm sorry i missed that. Tell me about some of the the top horses that you had the chance to be around as you were working with kenny. You know that that's the one thing you mentioned about kenny. And he always has good horses and a lot of it is is his ability to to purchase those young horses that End up to be pretty good and you know i think back. Probably one of the the best sources. I was around with him was Horse named elvis promise He was fifth in the derby. Outran his pedigree Ended up winning some some monitor steaks and whatnot and placed in a bunch of others. That was just a just quote unquote race or semaine. The always ran his race and He actually ended up being a horse that richard owned outright at the end of his career and We were able to stand him in indiana and had a big part and him being a dying of the year over there so that was Fun to see him from to all the way up to fill we lost him and Seem kinda stamp. Throw his heart. I guess you can say To some of his offspring and watch them run. Is that difficult. When you have a horse that you're so fond of and i know you're you're fond of so many the horses you work with but a horse like that that really grabs you and they turn out to be really good and they go on to do great things when you finally have to show up at the barn the next day and they're not there. Is that difficult for a trainer. Yeah i mean. I think that's the some of the the hardest things is that when you got a horse in top form and he's running well and you come in there and Glowna suspensory something. And there's really no other fact training or racing careers over. It's it's so immediate. And then they leave the barn. It's it's definitely avoid there for a while and You know you're with them so much and they give so much that you just appreciate that out of them that that You know they're the pleasure of having them there and then all of a sudden they're not definitely avoid talking trainer phil bauer here. On trainer talk presented by phasing tipton. We're going to step away for a short break when i come back. We'll talk about his relationship with the wrigley's that's richard. And tammy and their rig knee racing and talk more about some of the other forces. He's had the privilege to train for them and some of the top moments in his training career. This is trainer talked presented by phasing. Phasing kipton is offering buyers of bonanza of sales. 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Where will you be is trainer tall presented by facing tipton on the horse racing radio network and channel marker moves up on the outside now takes third from within four lanes of the lead. Ageless next and the others having worked to do and big pulled up here's helen. Helen has been pulled up at the back of the pack after a forty five and one half their into the stretch. Something extra power alert than the inside. Here's channel marker confronting them and ageless on the far outside hidden. Pinal sixteenth channel marker. Something extra these two coming down to the mine together. Power alert his third. It's going to be channel marker and cisco torres to do it over something extra then came ageless and power alerts. Welcome back to trainer talk presented by phasing tipton here on the horse racing radio network mike. Penna baron of the backstretch continuing my visit with trainer. Phil bauer that was. Larry komo's with the call of the grade. Three jaipur invitational at belmont park back in two thousand fifteen. And what a moment. It was for my special guest today as that was his very first greatest stakes victory after going out on his own in two thousand thirteen and it was very special. I'm gonna tell you more about that right after. I remind you that. If you missed any portion of my visit with phil bauer all you have to do is go to our website horse racing radio dot net. You can check out the podcast of this show and all of our programs. They're all there for you to listen to at your leisure every single one since our very first trainer talk years ago. They're all there for you head back and binge on trainer talk if you will and spend the day tuning in because There have been some amazing visits and this is one of them to fill bauer here on trainer. Talk phil what that. Moment channel marker crossing the finish line first in the jaipur had to be just so emotional and so special for you. Yeah definitely put a smile on my face here in that race call but You know it's it's if game it's funny because I don't think we had won a race that year. And if we did it was only one until he won that steak and it was one of those years that seconds. We're starting to feel like thirds enforced just because he just couldn't get there and you know he had. He had a really good second at keeneland In april and then we ran them back on derby day and he was He was a footie type horse and The ground that day churchill was just so rot card you could tell it took them a while to get comfortable and Came out of the race really well and had a tremendous breeze right before we shipped up so As confident as you could be running a horse. I think we were and You know he put things together that day. That was definitely a special moment. You're a guy that when when you listen to you talk you sound like you're very reserved very laid back I can imagine when he storming down the stretch that that wasn't your demeanor that day. Belmont park no no. That was definitely some who've been an our in One of my good friends and then he made the trip up with me because actually they are newborn and he I think i picked him up on them a circle. I mean it was. It was a little embarrassing but certainly You know just a burst of emotion that this you know we. We had kind of top that mountain as far as the greatest steak and You know a former claim that Gave a little time off to and he came back like you'd hope would so you know it was one of the best moments of my career so far and hopefully we'll have a lot of those to come. You've also been known to celebrate by pouring a shot of fireball. After a big win was there some fireball flowing that night We were. I think that time. The tradition was a tequila shot. The farm ball started here just a couple years ago when when richard started flavoring product but No that was we were. I think the third or fourth race that day and and American furrow and of winning the triple crown later on so it was Needless to say celebration for quite a while and maybe some memories got a little fuzzy twig into the day. But it was it was wondering remember. Yeah rightfully so they should in my man cisco torres was in the irons for you that day too. That's really cool. Yeah you know just go wrote a lot force back Back when he was reading and He news a horse. Well so we said let's go to new york and Didn't wanna change cures especially with with Where we thought we were heading them and it was It was it was a lot of fun and to do it for the rig knees and we touched on Richard and tammy in the first half of the program to do it for somebody who had believed in you from the very beginning. How special was that all. It extremely The unfortunate thing is our two great at stake wins vision. Tammy have been out of the country and he He was actually catching a thing. Goes to sailfish if you haven't meet and he'll tell you this story and show you the fixture but It was i think he caught it right after the race. But certainly With somebody to gives you opportunity and believes in You know he's he's a lot like a father figure as far as that goes in and you know he says. Sometimes i worry more about you feel than how we round but It's it's definitely a great relationship we have and certainly i feel like you know we have a whole lot more to accomplish for to to ever at up to what he's done for me so it's It was nice to kind of get that win and Certainly we had the impression after that that maybe we were on our way a little quicker than we thought. kinda head to Go through Some some ups and downs just like you doing this industry but No i think our horses in the barn now or or headed for big things. Well it's not quite shook mcgahey and the phipps quite yet but some day. We could be talking about that relationship with phil bauer and the rig knees in that same light. You never know. You don't know where the journey is to go. How did the journey began. Tell me about that relationship and how it all started know. I think a lot of it goes back to Being in the right place at the right time that's touch on noble's promise again he was left At churchill during the summer as opposed to going to new york towards the latter part of his career to run and some local steaks and so I developed a relationship with richard Over the phone with that horse and you know come to visit them at the barn and Got to the point a couple of months later you know he he thought. Hey you know. I'm thinking about maybe doing my own thing. So what would you think about a chain of course as you know. I told him. I'd jump at the chance But i didn't know If i was ready to to open a public stable and and he said well what about a private offer. I said i'm ready today. And you know The rest is history. I guess you can say we've we've been together since two thousand thirteen and We actually claimed our first horse and ran her as our first starter one at churchill so it was That was a lot of fun to kick things off that way and You know for always telling us that you deserve a lot more for guy you know. Some people will ask for results without invest in a whole lot. Or or you know asking for you to exceed expectations of of certain situations but richard. You know he. He's game and he swings at it constantly. Invest in young horses. So you have to think he's due for for the type of success he deserves and we certainly are are hopeful and we feel that things are marching in that direction with with the athletes that are showing up. How did richard initially get involved in thoroughbred racing. Do you know fill. You fell in love with the santa anita. He said he would Go to the races out there when he lived out there and Then when we moved here he. I think he Got in it and Tammy actually bought him a share of Dream empress and He was in a syndicate there for a while with kenny before he started doing his own. Thing pretty amazing stuff. You mentioned the fact that you told him you weren't ready to open a public stable said well. How about a private offer. And that's the way it's been ever since except for people that that are listening. They don't know the difference between the public trainer and a private trainer. Just explain that and explain some of the unique elements of an and maybe even challenges that presents. So you know the different. The biggest differences europe business owners opposed to. I guess you could say an employee So you don't Stress for new clients and in horses. Richard richard and i are Essentially a partnership and You know he's he's committed to to me as i am. And he's Constantly bringing in New stock. And i'm trying to produce results for him and it's extremely Lucky on situation for me that he is Understanding and and Supportive and as the is that you know you. Put all your eggs in one basket. There's no there's no worry on my end that he's going to just leave me hanging so it's very Might a loss of word for it. But now they're they're extremely great people and Hopefully get the results that they deserve sooner than later. Could you make the case. Fill that yes. You don't have to worry about trying to find new clients every day but maybe there's a different type of pressure or more pressure. Maybe even just something that you put on yourself because you know that this is your one relationship and you want to do. Well you need to do all you need to succeed to keep it going. Is there a different type of pressure for a private trainer as opposed to a public trainer without without knowing the public side of it. I would think that the the pressure is is different on a personal level that your relationship is closer than just business. You know your your good friends. And maybe there's more emotion tied into it's it's You know it's not so much cut and dry business. Hey i'm sorry didn't work out or it did work out but you know when you're private you're making all the the bad phone calls to one person but at the same time you you celebrate all the hard times with one person so you you go through everything together. And that's you know it's I think it helps make your relationship stronger and the good times or that much better. Yeah very well said talking. We train her phil bauer here. On trainer talk presented by phasing tipped in the private trainer for richard. And tammy wrigley's rig knee racing You said earlier. That richard started flavoring. Fireball not too long ago. What does that mean. He's a flavor engineer They A flavor chemists and they make flavors for the distilled spirits industry. Some some bottled waters. You know when. I first started learning about it. You're amazed at how much stuff has flavor in it as opposed to You know you think something with banana as a banana and that will shelf-life and all that stuff you you Have flavors and He owns a makes a few of the ingredients in fireball. I think are some of the major ones so That kind of came are salvatori. Drink and have been named after it and whatnot. But you know he's It's it's pretty interesting to hear him talk about it because you just you never realize until your eyes are open to like. Wow you know that's gonna flavor and you do that too. It's it's awesome so yeah so he. He's the one i need to blame for all those Hangovers after a few too many fireballs right. Yeah there's been some late nights with it but We're good times. Yeah there's no doubt about it usually is until the next morning. There's no doubt about it. fantastic stuff. I did not realize that that that that was his job. And and that's what he was doing. This really neat stuff. And you mentioned the horses that have been named with fireball in their names. Tell me about some of those. Probably our best fireball horses Fireball babies. she's a a Rig knee racing bread Noble's promise philly that has been Champion two and three year old. Sard billion indiana and still running near five. And you know she's the one that you have a special place in your heart just because she she brings back so many memories not only of her wins but you think nobles and and then to to have a horse that you bread and kind of have a lot to do with it. It's just a little more special. I'll bring up another horse. And i'm sure a special for you and that's madison's luna tell me a little bit more about madison's luna he We always say that he broke our hearts he He won his first. Two starts one of them being the great three hutchison at gulfstream and We thought we had one. That was just gonna take us there. I guess you can think of maybe derby but It was a little late for that and We ran them in the derby. Or the pet day mile and That was just a monsoon of a day and he put on through that. And then you try well. We think he's that. Good to go to the woods. Stephen another really bad results so you start scrambling trying to change gears and figure out or some you know we still run a force. He's actually up at saratoga and he's run some really good races this year as an older horse. But it just you know he kinda leveled out and Not that he's a bad horse but he just wasn't the one that was going to take you to the next level and when you kinda go back and look at who you ran against and stuff like that you just can only be here you run against and sometimes it makes you better than they are. But he's certainly been a horse that Gave us some excitement and some disappointment. You know it's all mixed in there but now he's kinda back on A good series of races. And we're having fun with them. We finally found a good level at these been competitive You know he certainly a fun to be around. He's got personality as most tap. It's do and You know. I think You just never know you know you. Can you jump through one hoop and you jump through another and the game gets a lot harder every hope you jump through and sooner or later you have to find a level and that's the key to horses having success and and us as trainers as well you gotta gotta win races and to have that best shot. You need to put them in the best spot. Yeah it's easy to see why you'd start getting derby fever with that horse to. Because madison's luna broke his maiden at tampa came back in the second start won the grade three hutchinson. Now to to. You're thinking okay. We may have something and then it just doesn't materialize. The way that that dream looks in your head. Tell me about a horse though filled that maybe went the other way where it first. You're like i don't know this horse can be okay at turned out to be a lot better than expected You know i think The affiliate we had this year last last year as a two year old. Her name's sylvia cute. She just. There was a lot more impressive. Phillies that you would. Breeze get excited about or or You know even all the way back though. Kelly watch him galloping like all the sources really nice and You know so. We got towards the The fall campaign and it's time to get get her started so we just put her her in a race and hope for the best and she darn near one it and then she wanted next start and she One and a other then after that and so we tried her in the fantasy thinking. Okay you know you get this start to believe and You know she. She ran found the fantasy but just wasn't good enough so she came up here the second churchill and a three a non three but she was one that most recently probably was like that. Another one is older mare. We have seen gita dreams that she was just we thought she was. Just gonna be nothing terrible numbers and stuff. But she's able to knock out a few starts you know maiden claiming and then open claiming and the next thing you know. She's honest as they come darn near winning two other than to churchill downs and you're thinking Maybe she deserves a shot in a little stake here there a lot you know. Horses can change year to year and just like people you know. It's i think. Maturity sometimes is a key factor success and other times per cassidy. And you know you see horses that are really good at to that just disappeared. I think Every horse has its day phil. Bauer hero trainer talk presented by facing tipton. If you miss any portion of the show head back to our website horse racing radio dot net you can check out the podcast of this show and all of our trainer. Talk shows at your leisure Phil i assume that as part of your role as private trainer for the wrigley's that you're the man who's going to the sales selecting horses at the sales in helping them pick out the right ones that you think will fit your program and your training philosophy and and you're and their ownership for philosophy to it when you go to a sale. What are some of the things that you're looking for with young horses that make you know. Okay this one could be a good fit. We actually Kinda pass the baton. We we picked out. I think three or four crops on our own and you know we picked the madison luna and we picked a few others. That that got you excited but I think we had realization together that we need somebody to take us to the next level as far as the athletes concerned Believe him unnamed but Two two and a half crops. And i guess you could say the first year we only five in the last to the The athletes that are just coming in the barn. Just make everyone's job so much easier when they have not true ability and and You know we Think lately been folks and primarily on phillies. You know sometimes. Evan residual value richard trying to expand his breeding program. So what better to do it with with horses off the track if they're successful. But you know. I think as far as us we're we're kind of the tail end of it we we select Proved the ones. We like all shortlists based on you know physicals and and Pedigrees for the phillies. But i think it all boils down to just athletes may need to have the walk the look the presence And nowadays. I mean it seems like everybody's keying on a lot of the same horses just at these sales and You're hoping to find maybe dominant enough to to not have to bid against everybody but that that You know we're we're just at the tail end of it we certainly have apart Throughout it and voice our opinions but I think it all kind of comes together at the end there shortly before you head up to the ring. Yeah that's interesting Interesting approach to getting the right horses into your program and phil when i use the word program is is that right word to describe your operation. Would it be considered program or is there something a better word that you would use. Yeah i think you could say program for any outfit back there. Everybody does things a little bit. Different years there but we certainly have Our ways of of kinda marching forward. And you know we've had pretty good luck with with Younger horses here. The last couple of years. And i i'm starters and stuff firing well but you know you think you got to give a lot of credit to the guys that are Working for us and with the horses and the guys picking the horses so it's definitely it's not An individual here there. It's a team. You're you're only as good as your horse and the team that you've put together to get the horse there and it's Starts at the top of mr regmi and it goes all the way down to the workers. Daily routine seven days a week. Everybody giving it the best. And hopefully you know it that. That's kinda why winning is so contagious. And and it's good for morale because so much works goes in and You get beat up. I mean you win. Ten to fifteen to twenty percent of the time so majority of the time you're losing so you you have to rejoice with the winds and and keep let those keep moving forward and you know you certainly always have to dream in this game because that's what it's all about you wanna play at the top and When you get a individual that you think that you can. It's all that more exciting we'll fill. We're coming into the final sixteenth of a mile on today's program down to the final three minutes. And i always like to wrap up the show by asking trainers to let me know something about them that maybe we haven't touched on yet Other hobbies interests things you enjoy doing when you do get some time to be away from your operation. Which i know is very rare. So what they're hobbies or interest as phil bauer enjoy I would have to say that you know. I'm kind of an outdoorsman A like mother nature and Everything that goes along with it it's You know. I grew up as a kid not in the industry so i had weekends on the lake. lake life is great certainly the camaraderie of a campfire With with family during hunting season is is high on the list. There you know just. I think The way i was raised in family's important anytime you could spend time with it. It's it's fun and Certainly Tim in richard or or family. So it's nice to be able to train for him for people that You consider family. So yeah you betcha and hunting season deer turkey ducks. What do you like to hunt everything you know. As a child. I had a lot more opportunity in time to do do everything but majority. It's a weekend or to hear there during kentucky deer season but certainly Hopefully some other opportunities will arise that You know when we were pacing. We did some bass fishing on okeechobee. And that was a blast and other stuff but anything. I can do just depends on timing schedule while phil listen. I i appreciate you making some time for me on the program here today. It's been great to hear your story and your philosophies and a great to talk about your success to really appreciate it all the best moving forward. Let's keep it rolling. But i thank you so much for having me on and you know certainly Hope to speak to you. Sooner the later i appreciate it. Phil bauer here. Trainer talk presented by phasing. Tipton again if you missed any portion go to our website. Horse racing radio dot net. Check out the podcast. Follow us on social media at h. r. n. on twitter horse racing radio network on facebook and instagram now for my producer lee dela pena in our lexi studios from my guest phil bauer. I'm mike pence. Thanks for listening to train. Her talk presented by phase tip.

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Episode 77: Kentucky Derby/Oaks, Labor Day Weekend Stakes

Racing Rundown: A Horse Racing Podcast

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Episode 77: Kentucky Derby/Oaks, Labor Day Weekend Stakes

"All right welcome back to a special Tuesday episode of racing run on. This is recapping everything from Labor Day weekend all across the country in addition to the very, very spectacular Kentucky Derby weekend card at Churchill downs. Great Racing del Mar great racing at Saratoga close out those respective meats and we're not really going to have too much time to talk about them full in depth. But a couple of nights stakes at Laurel prepping for the preakness and the black eyed Susan we will definitely mention One of the winners of those races later on but a lot to get to but we I are going to do what has become tradition weekly in talk about two year old Maine and winters from last week, two graded stakes excuse me six graded stakes for two year olds. Two of those being Breeders Cup challenge races. Obviously, we'll talk about those when it comes later, these are just a two year old meeting winners coming out of the weekend. So Eric has made this week's maiden watch segment. A week. If you consistently live into this segment, you you've been reaping rewards we had the exact from the Pocahontas last Thursday hurled crazy beautiful oath highlighted on this segment among many others that were in grade stakes rather weekend. So obviously A. You know we're we're trying to where you were showcasing pretty good horses. Here's I throw a lot of good yields this weekend a couple of slow weeks weekends few weeks ago really pick it up again. Ah, to really nice horses to highlight specifically both Churchill downs on ninety others from a lot of the big barns phone to Churchill The first is king fury for any peak at you don't usually see Kennedy pink with many just under a million dollar or cities, young horses. But this this called her fifty thousand dollars yearling purchase may tense while he's by curling out of the grade one winning mayor todd terrorists who was a very, very near and close to. Filling our sprint in two thousand fifteen among many other big accomplishments of his first time out as well. For Kennedy Peak, which isn't always the hottest angle a one very nice churchill downs. A lot of people think he's going to do damage integrated stakes in his next start more than likely probably pointing for the British Cherniak and among many other targets you'll goal being Breeders Cup certainly thinks he's going. To have a good chance getting their dickers-. a lot of good talk around as this cold of very impressive. I doubt the other also Churchill like I said, this is affiliate for Brad Cox who I mean we'll get what would damage Brad Cox did this weekend this another very expensive yearling purchase in hundred fifty thousand dollars until he by the name of travel column from the first crop of frosted of. One Hundred. So Friday stay in a very impressive fashion crew lay a very impressively when by just over four lines over pretty you know strong field lower thankful will be a lot of next winter outrace posted impressive time I just overall did it all rights and she's another one to watch out for I imagine she'll get up to two turns for her next start a wherever that might be achieved another one certainly to watch his just two months now from the Scout. So. Before we get into talking about the big rated stakes from the Churchill downs. Derby weekend card do just want to briefly run through a couple of listed races non graded stakes that happened. On Derby Week. the I would be the Champions Day marathon stakes, which is on September first, which is won by rise the guy a horse who we've liked in some of these type races in the past. So on another horse, we've had some praise for in the past coming through this weekend. The big takeaway from that race was though Joel Rosario is a complete wizard Sir Winston does not seem like he can run a step. Ever since he won that delmonte sakes, I don't know what sorcery Joel Rosario practiced before he got in the saddle on Belmont. Day last year but Clearly hasn't returned with Sir Winston also, the opening verse overnight was one by craft data four year old gelding four Kenny mcpeek so. Successful weekend for Kenny mcpeek even though he didn't get some of the big prizes, but we'll get to talking about everything right now in the moment and another one of the former friends the show who did also have a big weekend was trainer Dale Romans. Swept Bolt two year old stakes. At Churchill downs. We will get to sit on go rather eric we'll get to that massive hit that he had A. Nice effort for girl daddy getting hurt ticket punched through the Breeder's cup juvenile fillies good second-place finish from crazy beautiful who we talked about her coming out of Ellison to. Have looked to be at least very. Very promising three year old fillies going into what is now really full swing two year old time. In. Terms of the Breeders Cup. This certainly a strong race no doubt. There was a lot that went on girl daddy had the cleanest trip and as result was able to win very impressively Romans Yeah like Jack said, we'll talk more about the the other big winner of later. But Italy's very very talented like when I when I when we talked about her about, you know maiden watch segment of the last month meet. We talked about how nice this? Pedigree is, but she really backed of that vigil ever other strongly now to be fair the favorite in the race crazy beautiful ransacking had a lot of trouble she. She did not get the best triple Talamo was able to work on a strong girl daddy and as a result, earl daddy was able to win. But both of those top two phillies ones that you gotta use women forward I think that they're both especially with. Elaborate more on this later on. But the quality of this two year old Kelly crop is yet to a really a riot. The cream is yet to rise to the top because Girl dowding's very nice craze. Beautiful were those are both proven but There's not a lot of talent. So these tune very easily could be one to watch come November I think I was most disappointed by the runs from American Grayson inject now. went really fast on the front and bummed around really badly she's GonNa. Eat better next time out net. American grace who was well back at the Phil you think is a lot of talent as well of the foreign wasn't able to show. Honestly do think the grass is probably GonNa be in her future there but all in all I, think this is a strong race on forward. At another strong race going forward was agreed to eight bells we're getting to Kentucky Oaks. Friday. And this was one of several hits going against a couple of favorite horses. Eric had this weekend not his biggest. We'll get to that one in a few minutes but nice hit for him with -Sconsin good. second-place finish from four grace's. But what be Kinda thought and feared may happen was a speed duel on the Front End Bundy. Call wasn't able to last through it and -Sconsin was able to pick up the pieces in what was a really fast. Opening fractions of. The Bells. -Sconsin to urge outed Philly. Definitely, not given respect and I knew she wasn't going to be respected going in by majority of people because who lost last to come to the top two favorites industries however. Both of those horses had really ideal setups for them. They might add some company they're very fast. Earn each other out in this race. That was that was quite obvious. Woke they hadn't really had. At them early on in their races, the races for Eaton's Thompson Trillion Ernie, burn them out well knowing that these two phillies Monday call. For Grace's absolute speed balls I knew that they were going to at least retiring charter out enough to give not chance it just worked out really well in her favor. This is a very talented filly on that makes her Rebecca. Another in Churchill downs is one or last two efforts there a great to in addition to her or black type ever to backer great three placing bring back. So Jesus a nice Philly and I imagine that the Raven running keeneland is probably in her future to probably try to. Pick up an integrated states but all in all, just a talented philly no matter where they go with her, she's going to be dangerous. You can close the slow pace definitely closer to fast basis. She's dangerous and I imagine that this is the last I picked her in her last four raise including that lasts allowance went into I beginning. Kinda. Lucky with the prices I was getting on her and I pretty sure the eight bells was the last time on never going to get that Kinda nice price honor. And getting to another horse who nice braces on her have been well in the past but she's a very talented phillies sharing We talked about the edgewood being kind of a bit of a race to the graveyard of champion and Breeders Cup winning three year old fillies but sharing buck the trend with that race of. The. Past couple of years and she ran a really nice race to win You know coming off of a really good second at royal ascot noise already having excuse me the stakes win at Churchill downs. You're just really looked on paper like that. This was the race for sharing to win and you can imagine that a race like the. Queen Elizabeth Cup Keenan maybe next for we're good runs by the two phillies underneath aw I'll give eric the opportunity to mention. But what can be said about sharing that really has already been said Exactly. Supremely talented advanced for a couple more races probably left in the urn. It's going to be dirty fun to see what she has. Now the runner up though Hendy woods that was such a good effort being meeting a lengthened a quarterback sharing we already knew and was established the best trio philly on the grass in this country, and then don't overseas running into equally any glove. You know an immensely talented filly in Europe of any once only a link to the court behind your under the wire is very impressive Jinyan have the dust settled for this ranch to choose a little closer honestly, she might have been able to get closer sharing so. That was a good run. I think that she is going to be live wherever she wants next if it is that that respect human crate one she might be dangerous there. Now I have to fully give credit though to manny frank along this ride while I know we kind of you know pure looks at eighteen senator easy second. Smoked on by puritanic the worst but that's really not the case the leader. Spirits who was actually picked set very slow for action. She added all away but manny frago did such a good job attending to the pace and making sure Beasley holding in good spirits accountable making sure she went quick enough to where her his silly was going to be position but also the favorite, the front runner in good spirits would also tire out I just full. White, definitely was a lot of challenge during spar Manny Frank Definitely A. Tactic twice did a good job. They're getting his deleted the winter circle. And the next race that we're going to get to izzy grey to Alysheba Mile and a sixteenth, and we've always been for a lot of this year. We've been really high by my standards and this is just another example that he's a really good sneaky horse maybe not maybe this year he's not necessarily ready to contend at top. He's already been beaten in a couple of great ones against top class horses in the handicapped division but in racist like this against the horse that he was running and. I don't WanNa say that the horse it he was running in this race running against in this race I should say we're not a good horses Owen Dale I'm Mr Freezer both multiple graded stakes winners. We obviously know the resume that Mackenzie has in silver dust is really consistent horse in his own, right so obviously, he's beating good horses in here and you know he's going to be a horse that is going to be very interesting going into a potential breeders cup and could be one to consider. At a pretty good price and you'll probably get the price will not reflect the talent that by my standard has, should connections elect to go to the breeders? Cup. But definitely, some hope for him down the road if he sticks around for five year, old year is forming into a really nice racehorse a lot of good things to say about him in here like I already mentioned silver Dow Super Consistent Horse Allendale always runs a nice race. We'll get to Mackenzie bit later on a little bit disappointing from Him Mike Smith seem to indicate that it may not that Mackenzie may not have the same kind of talent that he had in the past but. That will be something we will talk about in a few minutes. I mean I would by my standard t just ISA so consistent. So classy I mean behind homestay Todd Rebecca we probably last out. Each is very talented horse and I think that he certainly still. Not being given the credit he deserves for being as talented as he has a very professional wyndham divider, professional horses, Nassar Mckinsey, I just think he's is probably just past his prime at this point. He's even doing this for a long time I mean really if you think about I think a lot of those kind of forget at this source would a. Great winner I two when he was, you know high level Derby contender at three, and now he's at five and he's still trying. He's had a very long career and I, think that's something that you have credit for. As, little words that actually ran well on your. Very. Good second. I. Think he rallied very well into. Alisa talks. Basically what I'm saying is. We know now that an inch mischief can get a mile and quarter so. Does get a little bit more respect for me on average a amount of when he chose stretch out again and sober does he's another kind of disrespect horace who always tries hard of accused very good. Third I he's Never GonNa win one of these big races, but he's always going to be there are close to it at the end. And that's another disappointing effort we do have mentioned Mr freeze very weird race set up very well Roman a I mean really he walked the dog on the front you almost fifty flat for the half mile and he still finished the tiring last. So that was a little weird. To See but all in all I think there's a lot of positives negatives out of this race. And getting to the first of many races that caused a lot of chaos this week, and there's definitely a lot of chaos and a lot of shenanigans happening the Kentucky Oaks. We both everyone expected to be the match up between Swiss skydiver and comedian. If it was going to be a horse that wasn't one of those two it was would be either speech or some people really liked Donald J but she dares the devil horse who you Know both of US liked her underneath. So I don't want to say that people didn't see that there was any kind of talent in she dares the devil but I don't really think that there are many people out there who really considering she dare devil to be a top level oaks contender and I think a lot of people I know personally I miss this that she had won her two prior starts at Churchill downs going into this and. She was pretty. It's pretty easy to see why she was fifteen to one, but going back and looking at it with the with the benefit. Of Hindsight, you can kind of see a reason why she would've will. A race as good as she ran and you know she ran a really good ratio pretty close to mean Johnny Velazquez give him credit with comedian, and obviously we get to talk about the Kentucky. Derby, he was able to slow it down and I think his handling kept gamine in the Kentucky Oaks as long as she allowed her to stay around. As long as she did I just think the for her she's always exuded sprinter debts most likely where she'll go from here. I can't imagine a reason why she wouldn't Swiss skydiver ran a really good race in defeat. Good second really disappointed for our friend Kenny mcpeek but. The way the cookie crumbles in horse racing but you know this is one of the major examples of how hot Brad Cox was this weekend big weekend for him at big weekend for Flora Njeru. Definitely, those very good. Very good. Derby Oaks weekend this obviously the biggest this. Devil G.. talented. Just when when you have forces that are so dominant like Amina, with skydiver, even earlier on in your known your Donald Loach of as tonal people thought she was an awesome tender. She really got swept under the rug to running on a running oaklawn way or the call quality competition was much less than this than than the Phillies in California, and Florida had been facing. So you down in Louisiana or like finite. So it was obvious you is going to of you know wait you know. Kind of tucked away. Really I didn't get a lot of respect. You didn't have to that Indiana. Oh, not a law but like I said, there was no reason for her when when you have when you have the dominant forces of Swiss died I, recommend I. Don't really know how many people realistically thought. She could actually either of them I've always really. Liked her but I never like I. said I never thought she'd be of of that level. Of Really just wrote a great race there on necessarily during talented who knows now that you've been able to beat the phillies that were considered the best miss this crop Obviously, she has to repeat the ever. She's never been able to repeat that effort of preventable to prove that. She can yet but I I wouldn't be surprised. You're doing it all next out. It'll be interesting ads really to Anita deeper dissed added that we're looking at this year that whole obviously a rate on just a couple of minutes. And I do apologize we are doing these races out of order I did skip over the lottery end, which is probably of Friday's card, you know obviously the biggest favorite of that weekend's Card monoploy girl winning on monoploy girl I think. We both have really liked midnight BC through this year but I think with midnight having lost earlier this year at Saratoga with monoploy girl having her the success that she's had off the layoff that she had, which is you gotTa Give A. Ton of Credit Brad Cox for being able to bring her back off the eighteen month layoff. You know she does have two great stakes wins this year she got her first grade one since two thousand eighteen when she won the Breeders Cup, she has to be at the moment for for consistency. Asked me the top three or older philly in the country or older mayor rather excuse me for that one. You know really really good horse loves Churchill downs. There's not really much. You can say about Manuel girl that hasn't already been said This is a really fun distaff division with a three year old fillies and with monoploy girl and the older fillies who are still around and still running. You know we have seen. Midnight Zoo get beat and we have seen a you know a horse like Dunbar road who is super consistent usually runs a big race she's also a contender off so it's a very fun distaff division but I think at this moment Montemar girl definitely has to be the leader Yeah, I, it's there sees one leader in my is A. Obviously a little bit more work to be done. This is a very tough reuven g really I mean she hasn't faced the best of this division has to offer but I based on what you've done in her raises this so far this year I, it's been very impressive. I have to give full credit to the runner-up lady came. That was a very. Strong effort only beaten I mean less than two lanes. BIMANTARA girl after setting the pace as wasn't very slow and that was just a professional effort from from that Philly obviously tufted hardest year getting up winning one of these but to run second lifelike like she was was very nice. Not any disappointments didn't fire she's Julie didn't necessarily fire but. As Momma girl I think she's There's say can be said she's always been classy is is really just awesome to see not only connections that are willing to bring. Such a high levels act to raise the after such a long time off but I would also be performance such a high level. And now getting onto the final race from Friday's card, which is a really interesting. The horse winning the race is actually really interesting diamond hoops who has been. More, consistently, a horse it runs on dirt does have a couple of wins in some stakes on the dirt including. Wins in the smile and Mr Prospector Gulfstream this is his first race on turf in just under a year and you know like I mentioned you would generally think of him more so as a dirt horse but in his last effort on the turf was the second to Bowie here on the shell turf mile last year at Keeneland, and he's stepped up and ran a really good race I had thought about including him in my picks for this race underneath but I went against it a little bit disappointed with myself that I miss that angle. But good effort for him in this race and you know just turf sprints are always. That are all over the place going into Breeders Cup but you know seeing that he has run well on turf in these sprint type races on the grass he could be one that is interesting comforters. Cup Time. I one hundred percent agree with that will have a little bit more information on I. Mean this division right now is not a very strong place but I. That narrow there are probably running in the. Kentucky downs this upcoming weekend. But nevertheless, this was a very nice win certainly interesting team any horses coming into a great you turf sprint had a run in one of the richer races in a country. APP To start their yearning fourth and then running tech in handicap against weaker company it's kind of weird weird running lines but that was very nice wins ranch rue. Further proving that he was a man this weekend. In while it wasn't the toughest group that that's what you'd WanNa see from this horse, we know keeneland grass course offense second last year in the shambles are violent I. Think I think the best part about the really release that he's versatile. He has four different options, Orbiters Cup races. You know the my Mile Turf Mile A. I should say. A. Sprint. Turf Sprint and that that's a really good physician to be in. So many different things you can do with them. He's consistent on all night. That's the best art. Really just a fun to watch I hope that he's going to be able to finish out the year very strong underneath shabby kid renegade another another really good race on he's always been very consistent. I don't really know these top level decision but a very strong second level I should say. Some disappointing efforts hundred really not that important grand scheme of this division. And moving on to Saturday's Kentucky Derby Ricard the first race of that card was the American turf disappointing effort from smooth like straight. But again, you know we kinda talk kind of the same example with Monday. Call Horse that was definitely vulnerable going in here good run from fancy liquor redeeming performance at least a chart. Wise for field past didn't win the race you know I didn't include him but as a horse who I've picked in the past expecting him to maybe be able to win this race but it was only beaten a length and three quarters. So a good redeeming effort for him off of that effort in the Saratoga Derby and you know just a another example of one of these great two races having deep horses in it like American like we've said, already this year American three-year-old old turf races give some hope that some of the older horses in this division may be able to have a changing of the guard and have some good consistent three year olds come in and make it a stronger a handicap division on the turf than it than it may be a in its current state right now. I mean I mean how many times do we as as people as handicappers in the world not just be Jack The how many times do we have to get beat by the other might make angle before we actually go for it. I mean at isn't very nice ninety two. Though certainly are the best odds in the world world's again. But you you just you know maybe not just as the new free close to fueled pass on paper and I know for sure of that was a nice win fancy liquors in is horse threader uptight Sean Grasping. Rendering well considering even. Trying at least to to get dirty points throughout the year without much success running a couple degrees is here and there, but whose ecstasy handouts backstrom. Ear In this race in I can only hope that he continues on the graph because. He he showed Margaret approved. Of with the switch Nice Front End The favorites chewed like street fueled passed in front. Horribly they had a couple of things maybe not. Entirely their way but. They just got on the spot I never really viewed them as the greatest source. And we know that the best ones are probably in their Christoph Mine Chad Round Barn up in New York but I would have expected more to those a little disappointing to see but I'm imagine like straight gets back out to California and Some more damage. In getting to the day mile and the winner, this race Rushie, I talked about him in the Youtube preview that did for this race I automatically the reason I want against him was I didn't trust him to run a big race against equality group of horses, and you know initially the way this race was shaping up to be like it looked like a race that would get a pretty decent pace and I thought that we could get some closing president to it but ultimately, some of the speed scratch out of the race rushing ran a big race got his I I I would say most validating. Win of his career even though his allowance at Oakland where he candy tycoon his next race back after getting by Charlotte and by tunnel links that was definitely validating effort for him. But obviously, this validating effort and good runs for the horses that we used on top. One two in our exactness for both of us to take our top two selections. That was the super for this race Eric Rush and Solomon, and I had to win Shasha shake me up those horses ran one, two, three, four so. Ultimately, neither of US hit a trier and exact to in here but took our top two. And played that that would have been a pretty decent angle to get at. This this is a successful race for us to Russia's good horse. He's such horse I hope that the pretense is in in. In the minds of the connections obviously still have to still have supplemented, but it would be less than enough supplement. They would've had paid for the which they skipped those nice went on and running good for second I'm glad that was another long shot he ran ran pre well, In't even underneath the still very consistent I don't think there's any any wrong losing to get horse like. Like Russia's Rossi than losing to. The Derby winner in Derby Fourth Place Finisher. Any loss to art collector is going to be one of the creepiest average in the Kentucky Turner Up. It is really hard to get much better than ad running line for very strong and I was very nice to see him finally in the winter circling one of these bigger races ECO town was super pointing to me though I. I, wasn't. obviously, I wasn't expecting him to win, but I was expecting a better performance than that now. I would I would say you probably balanced out of that out of that. In the challenge organs in his. Natural causes a loss I. Don I didn't love to spot for him it. It was just kind of proven that that I don't think he was you know fully ready for this race analysis this. verticals for another one. Now. I do think the miles probably stretching in a little bit. He certainly would I think he would have fared a lot better heady random at O'Brien. Last week at seven furlongs lower You've found a six furlong race somewhere. So those disappointing to see less but our site rashy now that you've got to be fun to watch wherever they go ends whether it is the pretense or any other race, really not only live. And I'm just going to briefly introduce the Iroquois before tossing it back to Eric. This was an angle that I think the higher racing in racing community people were picking it I. Don't know that of any other person who pick sitting on goal in this race Eric, him absolutely nailed one hundred percents. I'm going to give him the floor here because he had the the big hit here. I smile on my face right now just just thinking about this horse how much joy you brought me this past weekend helmet. Still you brought me at Ellis when he broke his maiden knowledge much he's going to continue to bring the you know I'm going try to be as branches on can but I wanted to touch on all the major points I have first this is this is one of the bigger things I at twenty, twenty, four to one was, of course, went off at the. Fourth, longest shot accord There were three horses came second through four seconds and fifth single digits and none of the none of them, not one of them. Ran As visually impressive as race at sitting on noted in their mate and none of them did order last race for the right of lifetime people work forth instead. They they were visually good but not as good as sit on go. But I know what happened. Everybody looks at the speed that you saw that this was had the second lowest last race figure of every single horse nurses. And? He's a toss speech figure was horrible. You run by four and a half lengths. That's good. Enough already watch the race back one, hundred percent the best last race anybody ran here. Comes to my final point was think speed figures are good when they tell when they're when they're accurate. But when they're as inaccurate as they were with discourse, it should be completely disregarded or you'll be someone like me gets away with a really nice prize on or that easily without looking at the figures is easily the best horse in the ran like this is. A serious race won by two hundred after off over pretty solid field underneath all very nice horses coming out of me in stakes efforts I will the right of a lifetime favor in extremely high regard but not not as high. Regardless I sit on this horse is very alive going forward a corollary go great ride a Romans another big win all in all of this. I I can't say how much. I really really love this horse in how lucky I was any throughout the week Jackson a testament other people I talk to attest to it I would not stop talking about this I thought this was very live. Thursday before the reason why they're gonNA SNEAK BE DARRANG GONNA sweep sweep the two year old races and one other person that included him underneath and it was purely because I would not stop talking about the horse step hit off love for them but. In all. This worth disrespected. Don't reliance figures as your end all be all because they're not always very accurate and nights underneath don't know how much damage those horses will do national couple balanced back better by shitting on gala. Very classy. He's going to be very, very dangerous comforters got done. And the next race that we're going to get to staying in chronological order is the distaff turf mile and continuing the damage that Brad Cox did this weekend takes out another greatest stakes from Churchill with Bo recall I already I always talk about with bulwer call that you know I liked her coming out of the race Churchill earlier this year the mid jewel thought that she had an astronomical amount of excuses in there she came back and she backed up the those excuses and ran a really good second in the just a game behind. Newspaper record going mile at Belmont. She also had some valid excuses in the yellow ribbon going a mile and a sixteenth at del Mar. She didn't have any kind of pace close into comes here in a distaff turf mile gets a decent setup is able to beat newspaper of record who seemed like she was assure leader in the Mile Division and I'm not saying that she's not still a super talented racehorse. She's a great one winner this year but bowl recall finally gets a race and a setup that goes her way and Stuff, goes her way definitely pays off for her obviously, you do have the caveat that if you do pick her in a race like this, you got to depend on circumstances benefit her but when she gets it right and she gets her way, she's awfully tough to beat. She's really good racehorse like I mentioned no disrespect for newspaper record underneath maybe she just doesn't run well, Churchill a second time that she has come into a racer churchill not run not run super well, but there's not really too much credence in that seeing that she did what she did at Churchill's a two year old little bit disappointed from Juliet false. Trot I would have expected her to maybe run third but. Be that as it. May I don't really think Juliet. Foxtrot is a top contender not in races like this but really happy that bill recall finally got a race to go her way because she definitely is a super talented racehorse. She definitely loves Churchill and. has some good experience she's. She's exciting I. Think. Any female resources especially on knowing a mile on the grass. have it. You know are just as equally talented as the boys I think that with the correct setup, she could be day hers against the voice I imagine obviously I played at keeneland would be the most logical separate here I imagine brag talks just as idea probably better than that's why that's where she's GonNa go but. I think if she runs really well, no Magi hypothesize but I think she needs a lot of sense against boy. She has such a good closing Jack said the Delmar is just nothing went right before the race I can actually saying it's devoid of speed can have nothing to close into. Now that race was very strong coming out but at the end of the day I think with. More speed presences for recall runs just fine wins. There is April record that was that was a little her flexing while the rest did set up better for recall it her. The newspaper record we seen before at two we we know she a lot better than that so. Really. I've been I've been hopeful she could she contending race like the mile but actually I don't really know where she goes and moving onto probably. The it's very hard on a Kentucky Derby weekend to say the Kentucky Derby was not the best race on a particular card but this high to be the best race of last weekend the race of the week and very likely could be the race of the month in one of the races of the year and this race definitely did not deserve a loser. If you have not seen this race already I, absolutely encourage you to go back and watch it. This was purely entertaining horse race Sarah the empress rent absolutely too good to lose here bells the one terrific horse in her own, right. I have liked her in several angles where you know she wasn't as long a shot as she would have been in a race like the winning colors, but definitely shoes out I some the horses in the odds board here she ran a really good race for me and like we mentioned or like I mentioned excuse me a to good to. This did not deserve loser classic example race like this surrogate empress ran freakishly fast. She never should have been able to get away with the the fraction that she was able to get away with and it wasn't like that she tired at all in this race. You know she just got beat on the spot and sometimes that happens and you know that's a perfect example. Tough luck you get beat a nose. Race but no disrespect for Sarah getting efforts coming out of it. Great. Run by bells the want to be able to close up in a race like this but Sarah the empress I if you're a horse, if you're a fan of a horse, it's not Sarah Getting empress going into the fillion mayor sprint you should be concerned because you know if she can survive that kind of that kind of fractions. Than, I don't know what she can't do going into the Breeders Cup. She's definitely very dangerous and. I would be hard pressed to not safe. You put me on the spot right now surrogate efforts may just be the Horse I take the in affiliate mayor sprint. None of the hell of a horse rates for selling. Eddie empress to do what she did is truly other world worldly are I've never seen a horse when she did not so many times where she couldn't back up and she could have shaded away did not sour gasoline to. Really, excellent writing by him bringing her to the competition since he could see belt one coming in reading, which may he did everything he coded on the Horse actually rating was was so impressive she did not deserve lose that race is sorted. It really can't believe she lost arisen while bells the wounded, which has been the talk coming out at some winning runs underneath that were probably when she goes to the pace another backers, we'll talk about later a good rallies coming worst. Day, like Stanley's Kirwin. When it comes to mind most but at the end of the day. The worms chance speak enough about our presence surrogate emphasis now. My concerned. Obviously, she's probably the most talented, but I really just don't want to see her get burned out in progress countered probably GonNa be more bitter. Bells the one realistically already has a greatest statesman at Kaylynn going the distance and the surface it went took the race around last year. Thanks about a lot light that race did for her. So I think she's going to be dangerous especially, SAN getting empress h all the money that was the one can be pretty dangerous come comfortably Mercersburg time. And the final race from Churchill downs before we get to the Kentucky Derby was the turf classic and I will mention this about digitally. She asked me one of the most perplexing Chad Brown Horses the that he has had in his career as a trainer. You know we've talked about how newspaper of record was super perplexing with the race she ran but the this horse I think has to take the cake for perplexing Chad Brown horses. He's never run in the money in New York and he has to off the board finishes in stakes Belmont with eighth in the. Jockey Club. Derby. Hill Prince both last year at Belmont Park. But his two biggest wins and his two wins and great steaks have come at Churchill downs last year in the American turf this year in the turf classic and you know he beat a really consistent horse factor. This I know that you know Eric has been a big fan of factor this throughout the course of this year and you know I it's a prime example of you know you can call digital as the other chat angle in this ratio Eric. Already talked about the other maker Angle. This is the example the other Chad Angle. Factor this ran a good race underneath rock emperor also ran another thirty usually runs a good race and also sacred life filling out the thirty getting three of the four spots in the super good. We good race for him. Productive not a good race for Mike maker horses running up the track but. Both America's most dominant turf trainer ran a super awesome racier. Targeting Digital Age I was very nice. Win. You certainly wouldn't think he was a horse that it's been very inconsistent rows career without when asked ups I, mean. Iran's big rich ever bigger suspicious test yet. They used as race in his career, and so he's still very good. Second I think that'll works very cool He just went his you know his story enough wasn't the biggest name in the world and he's slowly progressed of this year Algebra one place full. The other two Chad's running very good horse like rock emperor is I. Have to say it again there's no reason as worship be running any shorter than a mile quarter. once they get. On a quarter mile and a half, we'll do a lot of damage especially need to see it happen because it just needs a lot of sense for for was like that to go to those distances he's performed well, amount a quarter it really you the moment he steps up the pig him. For the month for the bike nate or steroid for leaves sound like a ground. The biggest one you just have a good trip. He was really rank early on he got into trouble broke a little slow further back any wanted to be we know that's a horizontal sweep beyond the lead Certainly when you draw lines ruin in, afford for his next start a minute. Get a really good price. And getting into the Kentucky Derby. Now finally, we've got a lot to unpack from this this Kentucky Derby a we did have recap video on Youtube for this. So we're going to have to consolidate a little bit of our opinions just for the sake of time but if you want our full reaction, right after the Derby head on over to Youtube. To get a look at that. But both of us have to admit it. We were wrong in this race and I don't think that there. There was a person a with knowledge in the racing industry of this of authentic that really thought really thought one hundred percent that authentic could get the distance. Even if someone picked authentic, the distance concerns were obviously there his to raises prior to the Kentucky. Derby. Bolt show that maybe he didn't want distancing. The angle that wasn't really just because he's by intimacy if it was because his races look like he didn't want to get on my own quarter Tisza law looked like the sure bet going into the Kentucky Derby having won the travers already at a mile and a quarter in being super impressive really that he had. But one career ditka one career loss I should say did come at Churchill downs you know so if you buy. Into that? Then that's something you can look at disappointing runs from some horses I. Know He ran forth honorary p. definitely disappointed given the expectations that I was harped on about this horse and all that we heard going into the Kentucky Derby about how good he was gonNA run a couple of horses ransom surprising, racist. Mr. Big news the really late entrant ran a very big race in storm. The court ran a lot better than I. Think both of us could have foreseen him doing that was probably more pace beneficial than anything else. But got to give a lot of credit to authentic being able to take the Rally of Tisza lobby to turn him back and become the first intimacy horse to win them at a mile and a quarter on the dirt. It's really weird that that's happened now but it hasn't that kind of destroys the the angle that intimate shifts can't. Get the distance even though it is just one horse eight is a very, very big win. You know we're going to do by selling hold the right before we end off the show and you know if I wasn't restricted to just picking horses that one I would buy into mischief going into this weekend because this is definitely if you're someone in the sire business is definitely a huge win for him in terms of him being sire. Rijeka that was unexpected by me really many most people I don't I not spoken to a person out there or heard trump person out there that really thought Joe Distance. I really went evacuees H. One because he has. Four thousand five hundred owners out there. So called owners. So at the day, it was a surprise was really shocked, but that's gritty racehorse distant grinding away. It was very Nice Lynn. Point I just WANNA emphasize may emphasize it on our Youtube video which I highly encourage you to go watch. You can get better under overall analysis abbreviated version but. In this race, the fractions don't do justice to what actually happened while obviously, they looked very fast the time for quick happen know forty, six, point four, one accord was eating quicker of for the section of the section opening sex there. He slowed down though every single quarter, the Ritchie slow it down. The opening quarter was was the second quarter was slower than opening quarter third quarter slower than that. In the second quarter him it was very well while Dan Ryan by John Velazquez So walling numbers may not reflect it. It was actually A. Really benefit anyone that was near him. Because they really kind named closures. After work a whole lot harder. I was seen as big as in running on repeat came running but. None. Of them were as good as as the top you were in that race partic- law I still love the horse I a no loss beyond him. I fully expect on that next time wherever you may running ninety nine hundred positive hoping my pick a you know it was it was just one of those aides I. Think. Take over all resume body of the work I know the stolen time they face each other you take you take everything. Every single factor in the consideration is think the best thrilled in the country and. Whether the preakness Leonard. Goal Cup whether it's the British style classic I know I'm really gonNA. Like him in that race. And we're not done. We've got still a ton of racing like I mentioned this super loaded weekend, a lot of stuff to get to. So we're going to head on over quickly to Saratoga briefly touch on couple they're graded stakes. Shook mcgahey gotta win in the great to Glen Falls with Civil Union over my sister Nat also in the prior bill, not getting the win with Franks rock cat you know this is very pretty much the same race that the victory ride was. Frank rocket obviously really talented thrilled philly getting to the Jim Dandy very, very disappointing effort from the one to two favorite in that race Dr Posta at post time it really looked like that this is kind of a race where Dr Posta. As talented as he had been earlier this year and him connections elected to skip the Kentucky Derby for this race look like this would be a race that would be pretty easy for him. You know horse like mystic guide is a talented horseman did have some respect coming into here but it really seemed like the doctor post was. Overwhelming choice and I kind of took a bit of a risk going against him just for the sake of going into big favourite and it paid off for me Mr. Guide really good race. For. Him Very, very disappointed with what happened with Dr Post here. Yeah, it was a weird rates for sure missy guy very nice winner. But It was not the strongest group. He's team all to run very well, but Dr Post was as question, Mark I. Really Wish I had a better understanding of what happened there but I don't have one respect multiple times. No real valid excuses for him. Maybe that's why they ended up not going for the Derby as Mr God. He's going to be a fun edition of the preakness and the blinkers certainly. Beneficial to me be improved a ton but. At the end of the day nothing from that performance tells me that he's going to sniff authentic opened preakness. He's not he has to really train while this up this next month, and he really needs to show visual improvement in the mornings for me to for ending the any indication he wants to break nece. And another really disappointing effort in the grade one Woodward stretch out to mile and a quarter tacitus copied on the spot global campaign. Goebel campaign ran a good race at Monmouth last start but it just seemed like that this is another race a- tacitus. If he had the talent that we have maybe thought he had in the past should have handled fairly easily. Obviously tacitus did not do that so. Definitely. Does hurt his chances going into the Breeders Cup and definitely does hurt respect that. Maybe would have been built a little bit back off of that win in the suburban. Really just don't have an explanation for why Tacitus is seemingly unable to win races seems like he should win no problem. That was that was a thousand four effort. Most put in front of them global campaign the winter him full credit for that win. Point. No doubt. This is one I've been really wanting to see distance didn't necessarily trust him but it was for him to run away. He did up at the distance was was very nice He's I know that they're saying they're trying to classic it's going to be interesting to see how he fares against that bunch but. Nevertheless Nighthorse Nascar Tacitus just a little mind boggling I imagine that you'll get one more shot at a great one jockey club Gold Cup. But at the end of the day, you just wonder what is what he's willing to win is. Anti. Of Global Campaign, how can we really that? He's GonNa factor in any of the major guarded stay soon in the landscape of of of the US. And we've got we mentioned earlier that we were going to get to the two year olds. We've got a bunch of two year old stakes saw four grade ones from Saratoga and del Mar the first of suspend one by V. Again Eric mentioned that outside of the top two maybe from Kentucky and princess nor the Phillies This year are not really super impressive but it was a good win for for visas not going to give her not going to discredit her just for the division not being super not being super consistent super talented. Nice when you're a nice way to bring your maiden but. Just a very mediocre group behind or none of those still admitting impression on me throughout the summer that they had any great one quality Forget close to his coming off a second. Parts. A I. I think tough. Race. For the circuit but Really. Nothing Alot. Her. Is. Very. Very states level in herself that was. To her church one by nine and a half. But you gotTa guided me realize there was not a lot not a else going on in that group. So. Who Really knows I definitely don't think she can hang with the best decision I showed Elaine the best institutional have down the road. And I already mentioned prisoner already very impressive. Win for her at del Mar. She looks to be very dangerous going forward into the Breeder's cup juvenile fillies but again, not really much underneath her Particularly of note. That today, I think that she is. The. bestest. Filling the country right now I don't think that's very hard to say hoping. seven-figure ten year old deed as a presidential has her first ten races in the. Pedigree. In her a now there there have been you know to the. There is a large camp there should have been disqualified, but I'm not going to get the politics there as for my girl read was the horse that was most affected by that with pulled up. As, long as I think, she's healthy I eat that arranged like the chandelier will be right our wheelhouse more distance a better for her the winner of the Sorrento earlier near. So that'll be distinct but inbetween micro McGregor's eased in Francis the winter don't really take many of them have have much chance thrown around four stairways. Okay. But cheat shears visually not proven much to me yet. To more racists from last week to get to the final grade one of the Saratoga meet the hopeful really impressive winner for Jackie's warrior I was. Personally really impressed by him. Reinvestment risk was really highly touted horse a coming out of his maiden race a lot of high hopes for him. Jackie's warrior I've made it very apparent in the past. I don't trust early two year old stakes winners, which is why took shot against him personally but he absolutely validated his win in the whole pull on his maiden breaking score Churchill downs, and he looks like a favourite for the champagne and one of the early favorites for the Breeders Cup juvenile definitely really talented and. Reinvestment Horsey he beat second. Definitely is a really nice two year old. So it was a really quality win for him. For Jackie's warrior of minded consumer Kim. I used probably going to get a little bit distance limited added realize it shows physically shows so many of these ones. Serta with special at six and a half. Now, the seven you're gonNA official to him. Winner pedigree but as a distance longer, the champagne probably be okay because it's one turn. But when he asked not to turns to get scared remiss, reinvestment risk is still a horse romy coming out of it. That's a horse that really needs all the distance can get so whether he goes down Acumen preps in the Bruce Charity or friends of the Champagne. I'm GonNa like him a lot more of because I think at the end of the night he's better brooms material Now, those two were welcomed Mujtaba to united cerebral arterial, the two, thousand, four, times Fletcher. A unit, no pressure here. So it's hard to the target is you know make an impression later on down the road of those two are the criminal crop right now? and. The final race from last week in the final grade one from del Mar The del Murphy Dirty Dr Shiva, the winter is worth mentioning he is going to a new trainer after this race L. I did want to mention that I will let air talk about futurity but that was the one point that I did WANNA bring up I mean. I trainers which really Elaborate on it with actually supposed to happen before the race I would figure that he was doing well enough with this train of England. Keep for the St Louis Mendez of his first grade one win, and now he will be switching trainer to mark Latin. It's the horseshoe. Reported, he will probably be training up to readers top because the spacing between this race and the American Pharaoh it's not there's not enough and it's really Quite tangent before talked much about this race, the spacing whoever planned this out in a horrible job dealt that the del Mar Futurity is only a couple of weeks diving to two and a half weeks Before the American fare when your horses that are coming off of three weekly already makes no sense in really puts all these west coast two year olds at a major disadvantage to get ready for the stuff. Tell if you don't see him firing at human later on this year. That's why as for this race Dr Shaw very impressive. Win backed up a very impressive Natan when it's well when he by this number two links One need a very, very nice right there Sumberg. The runner up was with pretty good for for Bob Baffert. is also a maiden. Now, I don't know how how contentious in the grand scheme of things, but it was a nice run disappointing runs from. Weston. ECOED random better than addictions. Two steps who was last was my pick and Racehorse I. Really liked I hated trip around a lot Mario Gutierrez was not very assertive with him either and I. think that's time. We'll put him at a disadvantage as well. So He's one I think you can. Draw lines ready was bad on the left. But when you can consider next time on even the bedroom as Dr Shovel that was a nice win, he's really raw talent. Don't really know how Najib's up against the rest the two year olds in the country, but it was a nice win for less. And just to quickly wrap up the show. Unfortunately, we're not going to have time to talk about the upcoming races at Kentucky downs, but we will have youtube previous for them. We skipped buy sell hold last week that was my mistake we're gonNA come back with it this week coming into this week and horse I'm GonNa. Buy Is Rushie. Again, for reasons, we've already talked about this. This is just really putting a feather in cabinets episode I'm going to sell McKinsey and I'm going to hold on Donald Loach. Coming out of the Kentucky Oaks, I will just quickly mention with her. She was a little bit rank didn't love her off the layoff I think she'll run better next time. And for me I'M GONNA BE SELLING DELVINA officially. I. She might have had African Saratoga run I thought she had something she could do outside California. No. Such luck. So she's offered me holding a TV. To to turn, she'll be nice north I'm buying. We didn't talk about this weekend and this affiliate actually been on her entire career I just we haven't had a chance to talk about her until now but the winner of the Weber City which is the use of prep was random laurel on Monday or Grand Cru say now three to three Belmont beat some really talented phillies in a process she's going to be well regarded for the black-eyed Susan's maybe favorite she's I like a lot definitely all in on brand crew classic. So that's it for everything from Kentucky Derby weekend. Again like I mentioned, we're going to have previews over on Youtube four all these steaks at Kentucky downs. It is a fun week in lots of big purses lots of fun horses over there typical American turf racing if you know that joke. That's for the the Kentucky Turf Cup but that's it for this episode. Again, head on over to youtube if you didn't get any of our reactions from the Kentucky Derby and also keep an eye out for those previews and we will see you next week. We've got some good stakes up at Woodbine and continuing on the road down to the Breeders Cup.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast--Gulfstream Saturday 4/25/20 Preview

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast--Gulfstream Saturday 4/25/20 Preview

"Maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the Jason Beam. Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason. Be Welcome everyone to our Saturday. Gulfstream Park preview. Show had to be with you here. It's Jason beat hosted. The Jason Morris. Racing podcasts you know that 'cause you click on the button but I feel like I need to make these shows somewhat different sounding our regular shows but I guess they shouldn't be. I mean it's still under our banner. Hope everybody's week is finishing up. Well so we're GONNA look at the twelve race card from Gulfstream Park and as this time of year I think is essential to remember with Gulfstream. Is that they get thundershowers and they get out of nowhere rainstorms. And I know that. There's some thundershowers predicted for Tomorrow. But having been to Florida a few times now realized that things change there and they change really fast like it and we saw last weekend where. It's perfectly glorious outside. This was more on a Friday. I think it was Friday or Saturday. You know where it's it's gorgeous out. And then monsoon shows up. And it's a total trainwreck. And then it's gorgeous five minutes later so as we talk about a lot of these races. I think it's important to remember that. There's the possibility of them coming off the turf and be just remembering when it comes to weather and stuff like that. You have to be a little predictive. And maybe even a little cautious on making your longer horizontal bets because it can change so fast You know you make a win. Bet In erase as they're going to the gate probably pretty safe. The conditions aren't GonNa Change. Too much in the next minute and a half. You make a pick three pick five. You never know so. Follow the weather and you know and just to again be Nimble. I think I think it's so important to you know you lot we talked about. You know people getting horses and not being able to give up on them her And I think that that's a little bit of a mistake sometimes. it's important to be nimble by because of price because of surface because of You know any number of things though you know maybe those two being the primary once But let's without further ado. Let's dig into this Saturday card. Starting off five furlongs on the grass for maidens and this race was a little bit of. I'm not these. These five furlong races have been a struggle for me. I felt like I was getting better at him and I was just kind of gearing more towards speed horses and it seems like as of late. I'm doing that but I'm not picking the right speed because other horses are getting the lead and winning and so that has been a little bit of a challenge for me in these five eighths turf races. There's a horse in here that figures to be the speed. The number nine fried plantation for Hymie Mahia. I believe that McKee had a suspension. Because you'll see that both of horses in this race Were previously trained by AMADOR Sanchez. And if you look prior to that both of them had been trained by Mahia before that so I don't know if he had a vacation or what but you know he's generally a lot of starts very few wins But he does. I mentioned this to friend. He does get hot for little moments of time. I remember when I was a Gulfstream Park. West Two years ago he had started to win in a little cluster for a couple of weeks and he will do that. And the number. Nine fried plantain looks like the speed. His other number seven by chance was the speed last time although it wasn't running for him But it was just eight days ago and made the lead before faltering and that is a little bit of a Mahia Style. I mean He. He trained gladiator king. Who was an outstanding fast? Sprint runner now is running over Dubai for the connections. I'm assuming he sold them privately. But his horses fried plantain the number nine and seven by a chance are both speed and fade types fried plantain like he's had the lead in midstretch in four of his last seven races and obviously made so he's one none of those and only one of them did he hold on for second and another one in third. But it's so hard to not like that I mean he's going to be fifteen to one and it's and it's just so hard to think that maybe he won't finally be able to carry a speedy as carrying an extra little bit of weight those carrying one hundred twenty six which is more than he's ever carried I can't think that's an added bonus for a horse who is a speed and fe type. I realized at five furlongs is probably not the place where a few pounds might come into play but I was thinking it might be actually the perfect place for it to come into play because you know if his problem is that he's already getting tired at the eighth pole You know the few extra pounds I mean like I said it might not make a difference but it certainly isn't helping it's not helping him move forward And so I kind of started to look that okay. I don't really like any of the speed horses which I know. Is You know. Blasphemy in these kind of racist but I thought the five imperial guard. Who's getting a little bit of class? Relief could be somewhat interesting that once showed some tactical speed has run okay before and the number ten Qatar. Pass is actually probably the one. I liked the best coming off a horrendous effort at a mile but to back going five furlongs broke pretty poorly actually put in a little bit of a run so I think And when the bad effort last time she was right up on our he was right up on a pretty solid pace and before fading you know so. I thought that maybe he was a little bit interesting here. This was a puzzling race from me. On a number of levels and You know the favorites in here. The two quick charge is dropping and classic -Nificant we but really his run so horribly the last few times. It's like okay. They're putting blinkers on. They're trying to do stuff. Louis Sayas obviously is red hot and always worth considering but with everything they're trying to. I mean this horse. If it runs its best racist. Probably pretty tough. The number one I thought was worth looked to take a cab who was on the lead last time in a mile race and finished fourth but kind of battled for a lot of that journey and I thought if this one I mean there's other speed in here but if this one is able to kind of sit third and save ground and maybe pass those other tired ones that it could be an interesting and Georgina. Baxter has a first timer. Here are Ninja J. K. Who I think is named after Jonathan Kinchen because I think he's friends with the owners but Georgina is not You know she's not amazing with first time starter. But she's still very high percentage trainer in her horses often show pretty decent speed and I certainly I mean so many of the ones in here that have run if not done much So it's puzzling puzzling race. I'll be honest. It's Kinda race where I just I. I wouldn't have any confidence at any point in any of the selections. It's more like well. This could happen. This could happen. I would certainly watch the board on on the three RJ. Because I think it's possible that one's actually going to be the one but it was a missed. This whole first race was a little bit of a mystery for me and you know sometimes unfortunately you if you like of early pick five and there's just legs you don't like and you don't like the sequence. I mean there's always tomorrow. The second race was a little different. I I actually had a few stronger opinions in there. I feel like they're going to go at it early in this race and I thought there was some interesting closers to possibly set it up for but there's plenty of speed types fiamma the to the three Vicky. The best who I kind of was trying to convince myself to like they've taken the blinkers off but Jane Scibelli second off to claim is very very good and so but I think this one's going to be kind of a short price. I just think there's going to be so much competition upfront. I think the eight snow in hilly land wants to be up on the engine and so I was Kinda looking for horses. I thought would be coming from off the at prices and who could be interesting and kind of ended up on the ten lemon Scott for Dale Romans and Chris Landeros obviously not the hottest connections as late. Landeros is starting to pick up a few wins. But you know they the Kinda got stuck behind a pretty slow pace last time. And although they finished seventh they were very wide and only got beat. Four and a quarter so I mean they did make up a little bit of ground in a race where they really walk the dog upfront. You know the one to back was against optional. Twenty five that's just way too hard competition any worse but Now draw goes stays at that. Twelve five level should have more pace to run at thought could be a little bit interesting at a price. I thought you could make cases for the nine a possible closer to to do better midnight. Jim this one hasn't been seen since March was claimed for twelve five last time for a barn who thirty seven percent off the claim from twenty-seven starts Jose de Ngelo. So you know I think certainly one. That's capable of improving. And as I said I just think that a lot of the favorites in this race are potentially going to be up front David Bratty. Who I kind of talked about? Some of his horses in the first race is not a trainer. I'm all that familiar with a high percentage barn at all but he's got wicked solution. The one in here. Who's coming off a really good second-place finish at this level But you know Kinda again. Another one tried to close it but he made kind of an early move into that slow pace last race. He was in that same race as the ten lemon scat. But he kinda got the jump a little bit on that one and again if the difference in those two is two to one versus six to one or eight to one To me it becomes a no contest on on who I want to look at so I failed to mention the teacher drama. Who I think is going to be somewhat close. I mean I just think there's a lot of horses that might end up Packing up upfront. That race and you know although with cheap horses. I'm not the biggest fan of off the pace types because you know they often don't have a huge late kick and a and a huge will and so I'm. I'm usually cheaper races looking for horses. That are gonNA maybe skip away. But I think that there's enough of them to where they might pressure each other and therefore set it up to come from off the off the lead the third races a maiden event and features number first timers. There's actually a couple races on this card. I early on in the secrets that have some some first timers and kind of going through the the inside forerunners all First Time Starter. And none of them really from you. Know high percentage first outfits outfits David Wallace who I don't know of other than his time on the offices Michael Scott boss. Seven of you will get that joke Just one percent on the year but is to fourteen on first-time starters and is a positive. Roi In that category but doesn't show a lot of works and much foundation for this horse. The number two tra- SOM- NEHA and so okay. I don't really like any of those inside first timers then I'm scrolling through and my okay. I don't really like any of those and get to the outside three horses and I'm like well. All of these ones make sense. The town is the favourite Lance Matale. Lengths might. I don't know how you say it. But the runoff percent horse and showed speed last time against twice this claiming price and got beat. But this is a horse that you know they started maiden special at Ellis ran pretty good in the debut to be honest then ran pretty poorly. They went to Tampa dropped into thirty. Two ran a pretty good one so they jumped up to fifty ran poorly. Dropped it down twenty five Ron. Okay and now they dropped out of twelve five so I feel like they've kind of given up on this horse but I don't maybe it's not so much given up is just. This is the the level that he's going to be able to win at percent generally has pretty good horses. And so I think you know. His Barn is the kind of place that's going to. You know they want maiden special weight winners and such and so this horse is going to be a short price and I thought maybe is going to be the most likely single throughout the card. I really liked the number. Nine storm the bridge ninety-two who's dirt? Debut at this level was pretty damn good Was third early on made a run at the leader and just faded a little bit late but it was a debut and I start and all this kind of stuff so they tried the turf last time at double the claiming price up to twenty five. And you know kind of battled early on before not going on with it but that was just a tough group. Turf sprints obviously upfront. Sometimes they go a little bit harder. I feel like these outside to are just going to go now. The eight horse is going to be a much bigger price than those two Hasn't run an eight hundred sixty five days? Baxter's I mentioned those very good with getting speed out of horses and this horse showed a little bit of speed last time before fading and then I would guess the fact. We didn't see the horse for two years. There was something Amiss and that was for made twenty-five comes back here at a very low claiming price. They put a seven pound apprentice on the horse. Add blinkers so. I think it's a total send mission. And if Georgina can have this horse ready to go you know six furlongs. Maybe this is an upset candidate so I thought the three on the outside where the three most logical but I would steer towards the eight nine and try to beat the ten because I think a lot of people are going to make that ten. They're single and I think if either one of the nine or the step up that can really really make race out of it if neither one of them runs attend might just You know run off. But the ten is proven a little more. What what he is. And what we and that he doesn't necessarily have that great will to win He might win because he just gets dropped the bottom but I think the nine and the eight both have upside and they're both gonna be better prices so to me. That was the That was my you know I if I'm doing an early pick for something that was probably my stand against who I think's going to be. Maybe the biggest favor of the sequence but also not really a a spread race. I thought that those two the the nine were the most interesting for me. Let's move on the fourth race. Which is a big field turf route? Non Winners of three lifetime at the mile and scanning through my first impression was like wow I think the seven horses just you know it's dropping in class pretty significantly and I think the horse might just be better than some of these other ones kind of did Some battling early on before fading a little bit late. But that was double the claiming price and you know had been running and one against optional. Twenty s here at Gulfstream Park West just in October which was competing against better and running. Pretty decently is only one for fourteen Gulfstream Park but three seconds and I just thought I mean for the level like this one with the right trip should should just jog here. They're adding the blinkers. Which is I guess to me. The horse was running. Better with blinkers. If you go back the four five and six starts ago and so I saw four to one in the morning on that one. I'm like Oh boy. This might be a wrong morning line. And you know the number nine peacock kitten Saffy. Joseph SAFFY IS STILL. I think a bit of a mystery for everybody trying to figure out You know he's he's. He's cooled off noticeably in the last few weeks and you know but a lot of his horses are still going off at short prices because on paper a were sitting there saffy and we got used to him winning everything in sight and be you know a lot of them look like they fit and the nine peacock kitten you know. Looks like she or he fits rather but I mean he certainly doesn't look like a should be a favorite type. I mean he ran just above this level last time and ran okay. Got Beat isn't even money favourite and to me it's a logical place and we know that calibrates who owns this horse you know. That's their deal. They spot very aggressively and they they try to win. But I didn't like that one at all at a short price. I thought there was a lot of mid price. Sources Dark Ages. The eleven for Doubles Snap Hook. The ten for Michael Piano. You know a lot of horses who figure to be Kinda mid range price type. Fourth Fifth six choices. That are not that far off of the horses that are. GonNA BE FAVORITES. Mighty judge WHO's five to two in the line. I don't like it all. That's the morning line favorite Savelli very good second time off the claim and Iran's back it's GonNa be interesting to see how I read does his first weekend back. I mean you'd think he'd just kind of stepped right into it but he's been out for a little while I take him a little time to find his legs or you know who knows what he's been doing to keep his fitness. I'm sure he's been working out but that'll be kind of an interesting storyline but again this one was fourth last time at sixteen. So they're dropping a little bit. I mean a deep deep closer. Who's going to need some kind of setup in a race where you know? There's a fair bit of early pace but nothing crazy. I mean there's really I don't see a whole lot of need the lead types. I mean there's a lot of horses like like peacock kitten and I suppose snap Hook who want to be forwardly placed. I mean peacock getting if she wins. It's GonNa be a wire-to-wire mission. I would think but I just thought there was other ways to go. I really think the seven is is going to be tough but I thought there was some prices like the ten in the eleven That you could look for. The three makes a little bit of sense. I think you know the threes kind of one of the mystical moon. Kind of one of those horses who you know likes to just hang around the party and sometimes gets up and you know those aren't the worst type to have the maybe one you WanNa Kion. But if he's let go is the fourth or fifth choice I'm certainly not opposed to a horse like that but yet didn't like the five didn't like the nine and I think they're going to be two of the heavy favorites maidens again in race five. Is this wraps up the early pick five in early. Pick for as well and a number of first-time starters there was this. There's some good horses in this race. First of all Makers got the number two fugitive. Who has been fourth and third in a couple of racist though as far this spring at Gulfstream Park. I really liked the four. Asha Hammo went back and watched the debut effort For Kieran McLaughlin now goes into pleasures. Barnes is one of the The keene dispersal horses and got away. Slow was very wide and Kinda ran evenly but it was a decent little race and I thought one where a better start a little more knowledge of what's going on gets Louis Sayas. I thought this one was very very interesting of the ones who have run so far because the number eight. Basquiat is going to be short price. I think American Pharaoh Chad Brown Peter. Brand just the fact that its name Basquiat. Who's like one of the most famous artists of recent times kind of an interesting life? If I believe he was a New York guy who died young and his paintings are all worth a zillion dollars and I just. This is gonNA sound really stupid but I feel like they're not GonNa name a horse that leads to think he's going to be really good. Because you got to live up to your name right and even Kenny mcpeek. Got First Time Starter. There one chasing Anna. They paid four hundred thousand dollars for. Who Kenny's not great. First Time I tend to like him second third time but not worth ignoring Victor Barboza's got I earned their He's been a little chilly as of lady did pick up a win the other day but I really liked the the for the eighth prospects winning the fours the best of the ones that have run. But I won't be surprised at all if If basquiat can be running and he's going to be a short price. I don't think you're GONNA get two to one. I would guess he's going to be a little bit shorter but we shall see the sixth race Pfeiffer logs on the grass once again and the inside to on the program are both Maine. Track only so The rail if this goes as he is will be a bye. Bye Nikki. Who GOES TO THE BARN OF TODD? Pletcher from the Derek Ryan Barnes. So this one Nadia cure into todd move but I thought this horse was fairly dangerous To go out and maybe steal this one especially drawn the rail. Can I had a garden trip last time? But this horse has shown pretty decent speed and for a five furlong TURF DASH. This race does not have the normal blitzkrieg types in here. There's a lot of stockers in this race. I do like the eleven awesome. Roar is one who might be a coaster. Stocker might be able to outkick some of those ones early. I figured from the outside to they might try to send just to get over and might find herself in a in a good position but the pletcher horses I think is is maybe sneaky. Speed the sources shown speed five and a half before it's here Toga. Six at Belmont but last time at Tampa Stock Horses but kind of broke from the outside and I thought you know maybe it was one of those things where. Hey let's we're outside. Let's see where the pace develops in in one that was against maiden so this is first time against winners but You know going to the Puncher Barn I think is certainly a positive sign and I think with the rail draw this one might be a total send mission and might be might be tough to catch. So we'll see what happens with that one. Let's take a short time out and we will look at the second. Half of the Gulfstream Saturday card. Right after this break. He does a special Gulfstream Saturday preview edition of the Jason Beam horse racing. Podcast twin. 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They've all run some good races. The two is interesting. The saffy horse because I think this horses the speed and they claimed it for thirty two thousand. Sorry I dropped my headphones. They claim for thirty two thousand. They run second for maiden fifty in the second story. I start off the claim so the horse improves at higher level. Then they run him against winners open. Fifty thousand winners and he's ninety two and he runs pretty decently that he runs third. Now he's back to maidens but maiden special weight State Brits. I feel like this. I mean what a mystery this force is kind of is but his last couple of very good and they put him completely in the mix here Danny Goggin claimed the four Venezuelan hug from forty thousand. Now goes up to state bread maiden special weight the jump from Medan forty two main specials usually very severe. I feel like it's a little different when it's state breads obviously cuts down the horses. That can participate. Clermont has been running his horse against open maiden special weight last time number five sham rocket and ran a good third closing from off. The PACE was second against eight. Breads prior to that You know again. No surprises if any of those three win Super Watson the six you can make a case for the eight freedom for. She can make a case for of all of them. I guess I'm most interested in the two just because there's not a lot of speed in this race the fact that there's not a lot of speed in this race makes me take a peek at the three Horse Disturbance Bourbon. Who's my goofy long shot for the day? Twenty one on the line. One career start against St bread maiden specials but on the dirt didn't take any action broke. Okay was not that far behind a twenty two and one opening quarter before fading For Marquette Cadila Davis they add the blinkers they go on the grass. Hennigan awful first time on the grass. He's not good first time route but I just think that there's a very good possibility. This horse might be sitting second early on or possibly even on the League. If if the two doesn't necessarily gun and similar to last week it if a horse able to secure a good trip if the horse likes the grass if the blinkers help. I mean. You're needing a lot of things to go right but at a big price. I think it's worth taking a triad so that was kind of my like I said. I wouldn't begrudge anybody for liking cargonoff to claim or Clermont who's had been consistent with the speed but I just thought that there was something about disturbance Bourbon than at a big you know gets down to twelve to one. It becomes a lot less interesting but twenty. Thirty two one. Sign me up eighth race on the day. And we're going on the main track at a mile and a sixteenth and I thought kind of a potentially I mean there's some good horses in this race like this horse on the outside. Who's going to get a lot of the attention legit for todd? Pletcher won the first two career starts at Gulfstream and PIMLICO but that was two thousand. Eighteen goes to the bench for almost two years comes back a few weeks ago at acqueduct and runs a decent third took money. That day was last early on came rolling down the outside got a little bit of a pace to run into but altogether pretty damn good comeback considering so shows up here draws outside at the mile and a sixteenth which Gulfstream is not the best thing in the world. And there's some good horses in here. I mean the the speed could be a little bit heavy in here. I might contradict myself. Remember I had to re cut something. It's something totally wrong. But you know the number one figures to have some early gas. The number seven iced tea figures to have some early gas the number three Mexico. Ko has been showing speed on turf but if you go back to some of his dirt efforts he was prominently placed in those as well. So there's going to be pace to run at horse. Noble thought I think is very very interesting in here for Mike Maker ran in the claiming crown jewel. Time was second. You know the speed or closers in these mile and a sixteenth races at Gulfstream. This is gonNA sound weird but I like them more than in the mile races or the mile and an eighth racist because I feel like in the mile and sixteenth races. Sometimes these guys get a little hurry because they know of the short stretch and they're usually in a hurry to get into that I turn and I feel like it just sets up for closers sometimes. Pretty well in these could be completely wrong. WoN'T BE UPSET IF I am but Supreme More was another one. I thought who fit into that category of might be you know somewhat close up so if I'm trying to beat the you know I'm probably looking at six and the The four as my as my options to do that but I much much respect to the eight legit. And you know again won't be surprised. If that one wins we talked about the nitrates and bridled stakes yesterday on our weekend preview for the regular show. And you know I still. Dr Post is one of those horses from having trouble looking pass but I feel like I should always try to look past. You know. Big figure lightly raced type. I just I tend to think this one's really good and so it might be a race that I would. I would sit out. You know unless I'm playing a horizontal 'cause I think you can make cases for a few of the other ones but I just don't like any of them all that much. I think the potential is there for this one to be really good but the but the potential is also going to be at a short price so That I struggled with how to best. Approach me my approach would be just to go against Doctor Post If I'm unsure about him at a short price but again I just don't like any of the alternative so for me. It might be one where I take flyer on one of the alternatives. Or I sit out or you got to take the stand and again it all depends on kind of how the day's going and how things are looking on the track and kind of how the sequences is shaking up. But you know these are the decisions that we gotTa Make An. You know you're always wanting to see I'm probably always defaulting to you. Know going against a horse in that spot where I don't have supreme confidence so I'm sure I'll talk myself into that the Tenth Race. We begin late. Pick three and we're at a mile and a sixteenth on the Gulfstream at turf course and other Big Field Vegas kitten is back in here a horse that Mike Maker claimed and then reclaimed right or your previously trained. It was Ramsey Horse. But anyways he had the horse somebody claimed it from him he went back in and pay ten thousand more to claim it back and then didn't run all that great first time back in the barn and they actually jump up a little bit in In price here so interesting to see how that one is playing out maker also has the number six crypto gold who has won two straight after The horse broke the maiden but got disqualified. This is back in. May of last year and then subsequently traded Barnes a few times. Was it finding the winter? Circle finally finds a winter circle again at Gulfstream for maiden sixteen or no. I'm sorry finish. Second a couple of times then breaks the maiden for made sixteen comes right back and wins for twenty now they go up to this Thirty five thousand non winner of three. And so you know I. I spoke incorrectly. But that claiming price oops because that was an optional claimer last time for Vegas kitten. Sorry I thought it was all these races. I got the connections or the what do they call conditions mixed up so my ignore that fact that I said like a minute ago but crypto gold kind of going up the ladder up the conditions but certainly rounding into form in running as good as As she ever has Michael Piano takes over for Roger Hatfield on the seven. Noble Hope Horses ultra consistent and kind of runs figures that are are pretty competitive with this group. The Bill Motte horse the four stock trade. I think is is one who can make a case for but just not the kind I like. I mean just seems to take money almost every time. Two two one five to three to five four to five seven two five one and doesn't win all that often so I'm always happy to get beat by those types The three New Year for Juan Rodriguez. Another one one two in a row and has just been really good doing it They gave his horse a little time off after that last win but Certainly coming in good deform. I've gotten a little bit more fond of these. You know these horses who when you know when a couple in a row and jump up in class to me. It's when you got a really good horse that those are the kind that can make those class jumps because they're just in good form and you know they're they're beating up on the ones below him and they're ready to take on the ones above him. The eleventh race begins the late daily. Double kind of the feature quasi feature guests allowance optional claiming Co and furlongs and some big names in here majestic Dunhill who we haven't seen since last summer but this horse was second General George Grade. Three last year around the Malibu and you know has kept some good company and run against some good horses scroll through. Dotto the pletcher horses. The two was the two to one morning live favourite and has been rock solid in the last couple. This horse is just a very good sprinter and versatile kind of one of those. I think what the reason I don't like this horse in here isn't because I don't like the source in here. It's just because I think that the competition level is very stiff and to take a short price seems kind of ludicrous. Global campaign is the five and global campaign is six to one global campaign is not going to be six to one global campaign will be the horse that all the tout's tell you that they like at six to one and they'll go the hammer doors down to two one nine to five. You're not getting six to one a global campaign. Let me just crush that dream for your right now. spinoff is in this race. Of course remember that one from the the Derby and then some longer prices toward the outside and then Yordan who's a speedster who almost stole the Sir Shackleton last time on dirt? We know he's better on the synthetic or even the grass but goes first time for Graham motion who I don't think of as speedy dirt sprinter trainer so I I was kind of looking more at the global campaigns and sold dot in terms of the most likely win candidates but again. They're just they're not that far ahead of a lot of the other horse In this spot a Henry is a total force. Who's trying dirt for some reason It's a it's a peculiar race. I kind of found myself going towards rare form. Who's run to horrible races in a row but against significantly tougher horses? He was kind of up on the engine in that Gulfstream Park Mile before Mr Freeze Fatman. Put Him away Set the pace in the house. Hope before getting put away in that one and that was the house hope identifier one race just totally fall apart. And he has a few of those big fall apart in his form but he's rebounded okay from from them. Before I mean is he he got throttled at Churchill and he came back next starred in one allowance so to me he was. Maybe the best upset play realized. I'm now on to Dale Roman sources. Today that's not a good sign. George Arnold Has Baraja. Who's kind of seven furlong specialist in his two? For four at that distance all four starts been his last four and again one. That should be coming from off the pace. There's not rare form. I think I kind of liked him most. Because I don't think there's a ton of speed in here I think sold auto is probably not going to go for it. If you sold out I was going to be tough and global campaign is going to be tough but again was just trying to kind of trying to look for ways to be creative in a race. I don't think people are going to be all that creative. And then we wrap up with some cheap maidens on the dirt which kind of been their mo at least a couple of the cards. Recently we've seen last weekend. We had a cheap dirt sprint. And usually they kind of its maiden turf event kind of thing where they will go for the finale but with with cheaper maiden dirt. Races like this. I kind of often look for horses who have flashed little moments of ability because usually they're a combination of good price and potential kind of break out the nine. Annualized is going is your morning line favorite. A two to one is dropping class for twenty five thousand after a decent effort was fourth but that was a five furlong turf race. The dirt races weren't that good. The career debut when it was with Brad Cox was very very good at oaklawn fact he. He ran third to be me award but we know what happened after that so I didn't I mean again. This is such a cliche about favorite. Oh I you know I could see it winning. I won't be surprised but I won't be there and it's kind of how I feel. I thought both know all three number. Six seven eight have all flash some speed if all shown little bit little traces of ability more so the seven in the eight six is a little bit more proven what he might be but both the seven and the eight of ran decent races before ninety two and eight to one on the line and I thought the eight in particular it was a grass race but I mean horse faster early on. It's been draining on dirt and I would think would be able to replicate some kind of early speed so I didn't like anything. Kinda down toward the inside. It was a little bit of a tricky bad race so anyways that's a look at the Saturday card. Just overall not didn't have a lot of strong opinions on the card and just didn't you know didn't find any races that I particularly couple spots where I think there's some not great favorites Those are probably the ones that I would Spend a little more time on and Trying to think about how to go round those ones. But you know that That's part of what happened sometime. We don't get to choose the cards. The bracing office does and we get to choose. We do have a choice whether we participate or get too involved or not. Not Saying you shouldn't just saying that for me personally was one that. I was struggling having More THOUGHT OUT OPINIONS ON. But we'll see sometimes you look at card more and more comes out maybe the day of things change. Not all hope is lost. Hope you guys have a great weekend. Look forward to being back with you on Monday and We'll see them.

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"Sirius xm ports presents with steve becoming interviews. This is who was stupid. Very good tuesday obie. Yes two year old in training sale. Attendees whether you're on the grounds or whether you're attending it virtually and plenty plenty of attendance. Virtually we're going to go down to ob s in some point here the next couple of hours and we actually will also connect with one of the virtual attendees at ob as aaron. Wellman going to visit top of our to thought. Maybe it was out there but as he'll tell you he at the yet to stay home because he's got his second Vaccine shot coming up so he's attending has got Got some representation. some people. we know right that are perusing. The two year old's There's a lot of enthusiasm at seems a completely different backdrop obviously than last year and where the uncertainty you know the was just descending on everything certainly not just the industry and the and the sales organizations and consigners and everybody else in breeders. it Obviously permeated every walk of life but s powered through the first round. And that was that ended up being important. And we'll talk to tom ventura. I'm gonna guess around ten thirty. The first gavel drops a little after eleven. And there's there's a lot of positive a lot of positive reports if you haven't looked through Some of the some very fast. I mean you had you had a big bunch of it wasn't like there were two or three or five that zipped and and you know then it cascaded from there There there was a big group of horses that went nine and four and ten flat so they were They were moving right along. We'll see what everybody thinks and We'll get a little bit of of a pulse take Tomorrow when when kids in will have day one results and it's always fun. This time of year. I my inclination is to ask like i asked Kenny mcpeek about you. Know the the babies that he's impressed with kind of funny to that baffert you if you're listening to the replay. Just now those those questions. I don't you know i don't i. Don't send them out Ahead of time and For for both mcpeek and baffert to site unified in who stands it Lanes end right. Yeah and and i think i think ten thousand Both of them including unified with the some of the more. You know high profile. Buzz first year first crop Stallions pretty interesting. There's uh before outs. There were seven unified. It looks like today. Looks like the maybe three. Yeah it looks like maybe three today and for tomorrow. So there's one to watch the the best part you know the best part of the two year old sale season is you. You may get some insight for when the two year olds at the racetrack. I mean that's the best part of the best part of best part of waking up is two year olds on your on your betting menu and folger's in your cup i the actually i take that back. It looks like all been one. I didn't i thought there was one hundred. One hundred seventy five selling today Two hundred eighty selling today so all but one of the unified will go through on tuesday. one two three four six today one tomorrow. So there. there's there's the watchlist we'll see what else and we'll see what aaron What i i don't know if they wanna give away if he wants to give away. Yeah anybody off their shortlist but The two year old two year old racing season. Technically it starts that i And then of course at the end of the month two weeks from two weeks from tomorrow right. Yes if if Florida derby days the twenty seventh two weeks from tomorrow at gulfstream for the phasing sale. Which is a boutique. More of a boutique then back. Lbs april than them and then back to obi s for june so There's the the major exit ramps on the two year. Old sale front we also this morning In about ten minutes The story that. Of course i assume most people got wind of yesterday. Mid-afternoon was the hp and eleven affiliates filing a lawsuit to challenge the establishment of. He's and we're going to talk to. Brian kelsey fleet attorney. Senior attorney at the liberty justice center. Who's handling the case The walmsley to from arkansas from the arkansas. Hp will join us and it was quite a bit too on pack. Here you know. And we've we've got we've got Probably a handful of attorneys that we can we can trot through As part of this discussion. But we'll start the first The first stop on on this On this train will be so with. Hp and their representation. The the lawsuit is really going to challenge. The authority that is being created is a essentially With the with the bill passed to me was part of the omnibus bill. I mean technically it's It is established so the concept That this potentially violates You know a lot of the same. Frankly it's got to be a lot of the same. Potentially a lot of the same issues that came up During the pasa discussion with sports gambling and sports wagering and of course dentistry isn dentistry. The sa- insight to this would be valuable ab you know one thing that's notable the the fact that in the t. h. a. alan foreman and his affiliates are not involved and they seemingly have established their port four. He sir and i thought it was notable that they chose not to participate and the other question. I'm going to have to ask to have kelsey the states themselves. You would think that states. That operate racing commissions I thought that perhaps states themselves would be a part of any potential litigation to try to block this. So we'll talk to brian kelsey. We'll see what the the core issue to their way of thinking. I mean just the fact that they're involved the liberty justice center there. A you know a a nonpartisan public public benefit law firm and Basically they constitutional rights and those those kinds of issues Government government for instance As a as a as an umbrella To this so we'll. We'll hear what what brian kelsey asked to say what he thinks. The potential for successes what. The process is for them to be heard. The lawsuit itself was filed in district court in the northern district of texas and the mad hegarty Wrote yesterday in the form alleges. The creation of the oversight board violates the non delegation doctrine of the us constitution by granting power to a private company that can only be delegated to a government entity. So there's the there's the the core issue and i i am curious. He had the precedent. That's out there to oppose this concept and and what the president is to establish an authority like this because there are there has to be other. You know there has to be other self-regulating entities that that are operating under similar principles. I'd imagine and and certainly the jockey club when they you know when they came forward with this with isa when they had they had said that they establish the legality of the concept now and that they had vetted it extensively so know the yeah the supporters of the the concept. They you know they feel that what they established. And and what they put forward meets the legal definitions that That are that are necessary. So we'll find i will. We'll see i mean it. The thing that the thing that. I think everybody does agree on whether you when you support this concept or not I think there were there. Were two things that were problematic. The fact that that no discussion ever took place that this was done You know to to to draw from an albany a famous a famous new york maxim three three men in a smoke filled room for those of you for those of you. Familiar with With the how how new york operated for one hundred plus years. The there had been discussion promised as part of the process but then when the opportunity to sneak it under the door it the way the night auditor does at a hotel. You know you're lying there in bed and and you hear that you hear that receipt for the hotel slid under your door. That's what this was and there was no there was never any of the discussion that was alleged group. Promised it was This is what we're doing and we have a chance to tack it onto the omnibus bills. So you're gonna have to like it. Well not necessarily the the issue that it even more than than you know the clandestine way in which this was implemented. The bigger issue is that there's no discussion of the funding. And as i've laid out for years years when when the concept was being executed or or posed there was always terminology in it that said that handle takeout could not be used to fund it well in this last incantation that had disappeared. So i if this thing gets implemented you know as written there is nothing that prevents the at all the lip service. That's been paid toward horse players all we we we can't it can't be funded by take. I i wait and see but the fact that this wasn't addressed is really a shortcoming and a a really do be part of the the potential implementation so i it to us to use What i've described the of the seth mero method of deciding on steward calls says that's a sixty forty. That's a seventy thirty. This i i really think i mean there's people obviously that are one hundred percent behind it and that the game is just so so you know just overwhelmed with With cheating and so this is this has to happen. Because it's it's an imperative Obviously there are some people that that have that position But i think i think a larger percentage of stakeholders and you know players are more in the sixty forty range either four against they understand the potential benefits but they're aware of the potential unintended consequences and the fact that those consequences weren't disgust. Upfront is what is what is really troubling. And makes you know this lawsuit a valuable exercise at least the to my way of thinking so We'll talk and just a couple of minutes bill. Kelsey blind kelsey and bill walmsley from arkansas. And we'll let them you know just just reacting let's Let's hear from legal those with legal expertise particularly from brian And of course on the on the racing front We've got i think. More more interest and excitement moving toward the weekend and to particularly to new orleans and lots of discussion there to look forward to and sell them which is minutes away first race. I put up Kevin's put up the kevin's plays a re tweeted them and they're also Put him at derby trail too. And actually she'd put them upon I haven't put them up on our website. Only do that to i chance i get but They're about five minutes away from kicking off cheltenham. And if you're if you've got the the wagering wagering pad in front of you and you're ready to go The supreme novice getting started. And let me pull up a screen to and have it at the ready myself so that i can. I can keep drag. We'll probably catch. We will probably catch the ten. I'm going to guess. The mayor's hurdle i wanna pick a good one or two And there's probably two windows today to listen in The mayor's hurdle at eleven forty is a possibility and also the the ultimate the handicap chase as. Well those those are actually those are both good because they're super competitive so actually just two minutes to post here and appreciate it who you know we knew was going to be a short bryce. Well two to five a little. A little hyper on the on the short price actually And let's to see what. Let me make. Sure what kevin before. I i wanna say grumpy. Charlie was the grumpy charlie and irascible. There's an exact Grumpy charlie is twenty eight to one and forty one. Those were the the options that have thought. That could be part of you. Know each way bats or the the exotics with appreciate it so just about a minute to post. And we'll keep tabs the next four days on the hurdling and the chasing at cheltenham so i'll pull up the video too so we can actually look this morning to see if it kind of a kind of a day ended. It looks looks pretty glorious actually at at cheltenham and they're at the post laura So case let's reach let's reach for bryant and for bill. And i should mention to you know i i'm establishing their visit that the brian is the is the legal Expertise but bill walmsley's a retired judge As well so he's he's just as Just just as accomplished when it comes to the legal the legal parts of of what's going on so we'll reach for them and And i'm sure that you know we'll have a steady. I reached out to You know alan form and you know. And i think it's pretty clear that their absence of participation they are accepting of the direction that that he says established and also. It should probably get a chance to talk to alex wardrobe to another. That's why i laughed when i said how many attorneys You know how many attorneys are at our disposal. There's there's too many attorneys that Too often right that we have to To get to so I don't wanna launch anything with with a and audit They're off at the cheltenham as well. So we're everything getting going at once we'll start Add that. I mentioned that the league's going to join us from arkansas as well from the hp but I i'm alive bryant kelsey. Who's the senior attorney at the liberty justice center. Brian good morning. Thanks for having me brian. I i In advance of judge. Walmsley joining us. I thought it'd be important just to establish the parameters involved here. And i explain liberty justice and you know what your involvement essentially means In in this in this case cert liberty. Justice center is a nonprofit nonpartisan law firm and we clients throughout the country for free to represent their constitutional rights and promote issues of freedom. And that's why we got involved in this case so we think that this is something that's bigger than its larger than horse racing. Really all americans should be concerned when congress gives the power to regulate an entire industry over to a private group of industry insiders. And that's that's why we're involved in the case. We all want to go. The united states supreme court case of genesis versus me in which we freed up many workers drawn from forced us as well. So that's our interests and i was That's that's a perfect segue. Because i was gonna ask you to establish what kinds of cases and how and what this fits into in terms of in terms of precedent. Well we've been walking off forever a year in a lawsuits regarding non delegation doctrine. And that's the that's the technical legal term for what's involved in here and not just very simply it just means that that congress has the power to regulate And make and make a mall and they can't give that power over the private entities. And that's what's happened here. This is Just as i said this goes beyond horse racing. This is not like the nba or the nfl here. In congress gave an essence. What is the nba or the nfl they get. They gave this new newly created authority of power. Actually make laws the power to issue. Subpoenas the power to tax Owners and trainers breeders and they did so with with little to no oversight. I think judge walmsley's on with us as well. Bill how are you excellent I got started with brian To kind of get The you know some of the groundwork laid blind before he asked about. Hp as A overlying concern. I m curious. There's other industries certainly that that self-regulate regulate or have you know have legal authority. What what are the different constructs. That are legally permissible in this arena. The biggest difference in this particular case is that The the ftc in this case federal trade commission. They don't have the authority to write the rules. That govern horse racing only this newly created private entity has the authority. It's only been around for a few months now and we don't know what rules they're going to create This was snuck into a december covid. Relief bill with little to no discussion. And we think that that Because of that it didn't it didn't get out and it's illegal and that would've been caught and go ahead. Bill nelson trainers view. We have absolutely no guidance. Regarding that describe private entity the authority will take what is going to cost. Who's going to pay for it. And how much will we have to pay because we have no say salom man And what punish much may be imposed a polish. That's strictly belongs to a private entity and we have no idea what it is contracting that we ask what has been decades of regulation of this of the owners and trainers in thoroughbred industry by the states and by their racing commission. We know what they expect there. And that's coming from a governmental body where those people who have authority over have taken up hold the united states constitution and their state constitution to ear. These are all private people Who have no schwartz obligation as public officials have on that. It's funny that you referenced. That to bill because one of the things that i that really i immediately when i read when i read the first press releases That came yesterday afternoon and then in reading mad haggerty's piece in daily racing form. One absence from this. That i kind of had thought would be would be part of any legal action where the states themselves at and from from that standpoint Blind or bill wire no states themselves taking issue with this. I'm i'm not sure that it will that they will Not be some states to take issue with it. I think you're talking about a law. Asked in december two thousand twenty a couple three months ago. I'm not at all sure that as attorney general's The various states take a look at this that that they may not. But i don't have any control over that all. I can do as a person of arkansas. Hp ba and the former national president All i can do is say. We want to challenge the legality of this act which which is one of the things that's great about our democracy is when we think congress has acted beyond are outside the scope of their society. We have the right to go to court and test it. I believe that shield illegal and hoping that the courts will agree with me. But that's sikorsky. Bottling brian from your perspective legally And and certainly. The horse racing industry In the person of strays in You know toppled One of the one of the most You know challenged and imposing positions. In by when it came to establishing the potential for sports betting and You know it not having dentistry raisin involved in this You know to me is a little bit of a of a concern. Just because he knows these legalities well and From your experience what. What's the prospect for success here. And and what is the avenue to be heard. What are the you know the next step. So how will this unfold. Well we we think that we have a great chance of winning this lawsuit and in fact that you know we're prepared to to Appeal it if not all the way up to to the. Us supreme court. As i said earlier where we have success in winning lawsuits and so we actually think that this is one of the most brazen Giveaways of what should be governmental power to a private entity that we've seen in the last nine years. And i think that when judges start to take a look at this they're going to be furious that congress abdicated its power in such a way and so we feel very confident about our path forward will be filed a motion for preliminary injunction and we're hopeful that That the court in the northern district of texas will take up this issue very quickly and try to resolve it sooner rather than later what. What were the options in terms of filing and was there a reason specifically for taking it upped taking it To the district court in the northern district or one of the defendants. Dr black is located there. And so that's why we found their interesting okay and with that. Have i mean is what are the this actually is. Hobbies is valuable for people that hear about these kinds of of lawsuits in the news in general When when it comes to you know starting the ball rolling what what were. The options of you can go to any district court. Well without hitting. Amy sorry go ahead. You're toronto. I have to go to a court pitcher station where one of the defendants resides. So you can. You can't just go and and form shop or anywhere in the united states you've got to go to a jurisdiction where they what gives you jurisdiction is the fact that one of the defendants resides there. Got it And the organizations the affiliates of hp that are involved in this and it's a good opening dimension arizona arkansas indiana illinois louisiana nebraska oklahoma oregon pennsylvania and washington also one of the hp affiliates That represents the horsemen at mountaineer in west virginia Judge is i mentioned allen form and earlier and t. h. a. Was there a a wider appeal for the other horsemen representations to to join us And who else was was recruited to take part agree. I i as far as i know and that part of that would be a decision made by the national. Hp president area camelback. but i know The and the way. I became involved. There's a national contacted me and said would you and your board Like to see a challenge of the constitutionality hard on the galaxy of the hissel legislation. The horse racing integrity and safety act. I said absolutely we would. We fought it since two thousand fifteen we know is origin comes from an elite group within the thoroughbred industry which has conflict to begin with And yes we would very much. We also know that that legislation itself which never debated in the house of representatives are united states senate it was attached to the covert relief. Fact as part of it and a lot of people who in congress who really didn't like that legislation had no choice but to vote for because they buried in that it's never been debated and discussed and it needs to be an at least a home in court. We want get to discuss the merits of the legislation and to. We'll get to challenge whether or not they have. Unconstitutionally delegated belong solely to congress. So i this is something the national league. Bpa and the hba fellowships in the united states have bought this particular since two thousand fifteen so are stepping forward to challenge. It is la galaxy in court is a natural progression of the position. We can for the last six years and brian from from again from the legal standpoint Y y has the jockey club Essentially they they feel that they vetted this. I mean what is their position. And why is it even challengeable. Well that's a good question and we'll see once they answer the loftiest But That at this point as i say we. We think that this is one of the most egregious failures actually legislate in the last ninety years. I mean congress is given the authority to make lawsuit. They can't just give it away and they certainly can't give it away to private organizations. And that's exactly what they've done here. I mean. this group can issue subpoenas they can they can ultimately they can stop someone from racing in the united states and and that's just wrong. That's that's for government to make those decisions it's as judge. Lumley mentioned state racing commission that existed for over one hundred and twenty five years in america. And they've been governing these things but those are government bodies that are appointed by elected officials who are accountable to the people that come election day. But in this instance you've got this entity that was created a few months ago. Nobody even knows who it is. What it is or what it plans on doing. And you can't give that type of private entity the ability to make actual laws congress to do that a. is there and i'll let you both answer this. I i suppose there's two different parallel tracks is there potential for agreement And and judge. Walmsley let me start with you. And i'll go back to two brian. One of the problems here has been that anytime horsemen have asked to to fully discuss and and debate and negotiate this topic They're immediately painted as obstructionist and status quo. And and all the other you know cute. Mom mott's that You know that the jockey club throws at it. Is there room to have a agreement as that would satisfy everybody here Essentially and if this if this is successfully challenged can there be some kind of an authority created with horsemen's support i think from the pta and The hba are owners and trainers and most of our smaller ownership trainers and yet understand the jockey club. It doesn't have an trainers members are all owners and their special invitation. And they're all major owners much larger owners than Than most of the people as ppa. And i used to say. When i was nice to president i represent the folks who put on. Show the guys who put the seven races today. The jockey club represents those who run the stakes races the one or two races a day and and so you have that natural dichotomy. That's there And i served initially in the first four years of the r. a board as one of the five owner members of that board after my term is national president was over. I was told that my successor who happened to be a trainer as a national presence. Hp they would not recognize him as a member of the board so i continued serving for an additional year And so there is that type of conflict that excess. That makes it more difficult than negotiate. But i think from the hba point of view if this legislation is stricken. I believe we certainly would have an open mind about talking with anybody about trying to find something that is fair thus far what we've seen from the jockey club point of view the proponents of this legislation as been remotely related. Watch fire brian. similarly What you know. What is the potential for something. And what is an example of something that has worked in this arena to your knowledge. Any sort of questions of settlement would be up to Our clients including judge walmsley. But that's at the end of the day as he mentioned this is this is about a law a law that is on the books now and so We're asking the court to enjoin this law to stop it from going into effect and until that happens. There's really there really are no discussions. That can take place because this law got to be taken off the books. It is there too in terms of researching this and and you're trying to figure out the angles the approach. We'll are there examples that that have worked that that that can be pointed to as you know as a similar in construction essentially Regulating construction in in any other private enterprise that that is out there as an example that has been successfully implemented if you use. Medication has an example over the last ten years the Organization of racing commissioners what they call the r. c. i. searches on organization racing commissioners international. They have developed more uniformity in medication. Set more fresh at more limits Properly classified drugs more has taken place in the last ten years old arrest of the history of racing so we've been moving in that direction in order for us to fully move in that direction it can't be a unilateral position on part of the jockey club. It can't be just a position of the age. Bpa and the jockey club. We've got the t. h. a. Another horse organization to consider the tlc in california to consider they are shiite to consider and the equine veterinarians to consider. They're all players in this and all of them except jockey club have been excluded in the drafting of this particular legislation. You know one of the things that were kerr to me. I would not want the hba to be in charge. Or pretty deleting thoroughbred industry. I would not want Tlc or t ha but what we have here is we have the jockey club. In charge of selecting the authority that will regulate all aspects of this industry. They're self interested parties. They race just like i do And and so. I would want at the very least if it is constitutional okla have a private entity to regulate an an industry. I would want them to be created independently of the interested parties. Well and and boy that The way you just framed that the bill is and it makes it very clear. I mean by it. Can this book. Can this essentially be whittle down You know distilled to exactly that issue. How can how can one group within a larger entity The granted authority over everybody. Maybe it's the golden rule and operation. He has to go makes through ryan that right that is this is this is the central legal doctrine issue. Well in and thankfully our united states courts do not recognize he who has more gold than the other and they are. They don't care they're going to follow. I trusted our judges who are going to follow the constitution and if they agree with us that this law as legal they're gonna strike down and i think that's exactly what should happen so so just just to to go back to clarify again about the the judge is talking about with. I think i think you have two options. If you're looking for a solution for the industry ultimately the as i said back with my nfl analogy that the nfl is not is a private organization. People choose to participate in it. So that's one option. But it's not sanctioned by congress there are no laws that give it authority to make rules over Your your your son's little league football It doesn't it doesn't they. Can't they can't issue subpoenas. They can't stop people from playing football. It's a private organization. And so that's one option. The judge is mentioned on the other. Hand you know. Have the federal trade commission been given a much much much larger role in this process. And if they were the ones who are making the rules and their governmental body appointed by other governmental entities then That wouldn't solve all the problems that would actually raise on a whole host of other issues but that would at least That would at least solve one of the major problems here. Which is that said That it's a private entity. In this instance it's been given the ability to make the rules that are enforced against everyone in. The country wants to participate in horseracing and bill. The topic that. I have come back to and and you know have have basically waived the warning flag has been on the funding. I mean that I think i if you accept And those that have accepted this concept as a path forward for the industry There's certainly room to respect that. You know that view of it but the the problem to me continues to be that You know the funding no one. No one ever wanted to address this and There's been some lip service paid to not raising takeout but It it seems that the worst players you know they take it In the shorts over and over again and You know it's not as if the owners the owners already Are are paying the freight Trainers are are being. You're dinged from every angle possible taxation The workmen's comp labor boards payroll taxes. I i mean it's it's already a possible financial burden that that barely works and yet You know here's here's this entity that is supposedly going to find a way to fund itself But nobody's prepared to explain how well a bigger is some explanation of how this take weight because their contacts being made with horsemanship grew or mens and women's group Race cracks and racing commissions. About how much. They're spending now for instance for their testing programs and i'm assuming that The nominating committee would be involved at naming old. Roughly the authority would receive that information and have some background about what it cost in the past. We have no idea what it would cost for the testing through the Private company in colorado springs with no idea what that would be an all i all i can assume is that it will probably be more than what the cost is. Add fresh And wide now and present. I racing commissions take care most of that now how does a that lateral agency compel the state of arkansas and the state of florida to put part of their revenues into a private entity program to pay for the cost of testing. I have no idea how that could occur. I would assume it would require an an act from the legislature and florida arkansas. Before they could take public money in arkansas and put it in to a regulatory Program or a private entity in bobbing particular industry So those are the kind of questions that are out there. That have no answers to him now. And we're not receiving any information plum The jockey club with Which has been the principal boo shaker in terms of the adoption this legislation so they they are questions like that that are out that have no potential Anxious for us right now and it will be up to discretion of data forty once that authorities name and they have the absolute right to tell us how much we're going to have to pay to be regulated And and what. I think will happen i. I've statistics already show that over ninety percent of owners lose money and the hawks business i been in for thirty one years and then thirty one years. I've had three years. I've made a profit That's not a very good business model and you got to love what you're so. Those are the kind of things that i think are out there. That are so scary to this. And are the consequence. Congress delegating its authority to a private entity. Well and brian. Brian kelsey with us From the justice law center and judge bill walmsley from the arkansas. Hp bpa. i what what what bill. Just referenced The you know the states And their authorities and the revenue stream that they receive from racing that that's why i was curious about why they're there hadn't been state You know in joining of this kind of a lawsuit because it it it certainly to me. I mean they're they're at at great risk the seven jurisdictions that you know that administer racing currently and and it is curious i mean why why would why were they not or How were they not engaged in in this as well as this process not the lawsuit process but the process of the you know of the creation of usa. How were they. not you know. Part of the discussion. I do think it's just another example of how a congress when it fails to actually debate laws How it's it leads to making bad loss in this instance not. It's not even quite clear. How the thirty is he's gonna try to get revenue. It says it uses two different passes says in one way. We're going to try to get it from the state racing commission. But oh by the way we don't get it that way then we're just gonna just gonna tax Owners directly and and so you know again just think about how outrageous but says that. You're you're telling few members of one industry that they have the ability to impose a tax on the rest of the industry that that just never happened and So that's why we think we have such a compelling case to tell to tell the courts here that this is just this is just illegal and you can't. You can't make ross. Well what's the what is the timing Brian what What will happen in the in the short term. And and how will this. The with the clock starts ticking. Obviously with the filing yesterday what What are the process from here where we're hoping to move very quickly Because right now as they're all that we know that has happened is that the nominating commission has been named and it's up to them to them name the permanent members of the authority. And so we're asking the court to stop that. I'm taking place and so will be up to the judge that we can get that a hearing on that issue could take place very soon in the coming weeks. Well we will wait for that as the next step. And then once said there's a hearing How quickly is there Either a either a a pause an injunction how does how does that process unfold condition injection very quickly thereafter. i mean even potentially At the at the conclusion the hearing but probably within a few days of that well we will with waiting the wait and watch and Certainly brian i appreciate the opportunity to you. Know to get this out. And and by way of an explanation for for stakeholders and and horse players and and fans and bill wildly Thanks very much I i hate that. This is the first time. I get a chance to have you on the show. Well thank you. I enjoyed being here. I don't particularly enjoy the subject but the subject there and we need to address. Brian kelsey the justice law center and judge bill wildly. The arkansas h. bpa and Essentially speaking for the national as well as a lawsuit to challenge He's a clock starts Ticket and Will continue to follow it and we'll get some other Viewpoints as well and coming days guys. Thanks so much. And i'm sure we'll rank bill by leeann bryant kelsey. Let's take a break here. It's close enough to the top of the hour and we'll come back and get into. Ob s gonna talk the tom ventura and Set the scene down there about hour away from starting the first two year old in training sale of the year will check in with erin wellman. Aaron will be glued to the computer all day. he's watching. He's watching breezes. He's looking at pedigrees in contact with his people on the sales grounds ov- es and also Erin and the eclipse partners are are basking in the afterglow of like i don't know five wins in the last two weeks including i think three stake winds ten year old ohio on friday. Amazing his third straight at the turf paradise. We're pretty cool. So aaron wellman's gonna join us to andy serwer later and I we may have to wait until tomorrow. Talk to pop. Oh i still have to do the. We still have to do some form to win recapping from the weekend and as i mentioned as we talked about on friday the the app now has the ability for anybody to use to free races a day and so some days. You know we'll pick a race together. Maybe and do it that way and and or you can on your own. Use the the forum to win app and have two free races. We want everybody to to be comfortable with it and understand it. So you know before subscribing. So we're gonna we're gonna handhold until you believe in it. Because i took. I took me ninety days. Probably december january into early february. Before i really started you know reach for it and say you know. Let me see what form to win. Things of this race i it. It's really remarkable back after this hour to at the races. 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Part 2:Mike McCarty, Nick Tammaro, Brendan Walsh

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We're back up the races of after five minutes to the joining us coming off of the weekend at Churchill and of course Michael taking several condition books into consideration for his barn Things though Of course much more Much more steady and Sedate in California right now but Good Opportunity For Michael to come to Churchill with smooth like straight and win the NIGHTCAP. The war chant have an exciting fashion to midnight lute and feels like one of the three year old Is going to be a fourth force going forward. Michael. Congratulations thanks guys. Thank you very much talk about the decision making process right now and how? You're handling the horses that you would send out of town and Staying home and in the basically a kind of retrenching now that Things are up and running and and back to normal in California Certainly strange times so try to take advantage of any race that basically any horses eligible to Before we shut down I think we had ten or eleven horses scheduled. Run over eight four racy four days of racing period. Look you know Saturday Sunday then the following week or whatever so of those eleven horses to sit on them for better part six seven weeks to try to keep him happy and healthy So when everything Kinda opened up back here we were running in northern California. Here off you'd at Santa Anita sending some horses out of town and spotted Churchill downs for smooth like straight seem like the right place to go Took a shot. Unfortunately it was only a hundred thousand dollars but it's better to get the money to not get any at all so Yeah we're trying to be proactive as possible at the entry box right now. Not having much luck in southern California or northern California last five or six days here. But that'll change. Yeah exactly we'll get to that and we'll talk about what's going on back home this horse. I. It seems like he just keeps moving forward. Second start of the year got beat the in kind of a similar situation but the way this race unfolded Michael. You had to be a little alarmed The way he and and island sprinted away from the rest of the field and more or less where quarter horsing it You know talk about watching it and what your thoughts were you know. I was a little bit surprised. At how aggressive he was leaving. They're turning up the backside. I thought Johnny made a great move and take him a path or two off of that. Other horse Getting about in the middle of the race track. Sort of settling nicely form Skies it opened up for a little while obviously before post time so I think it might have softened up the of course a little bit. I don't the how much of factor that played for anybody else Or even US but yeah. He was aggressive It did have a little bit Leery But I tell you. What by the threes poll. I had all the confidence in the world going because I could move and he still looks like he was rolling hand and it was kind of freaky performance actually you know the winning margin doesn't suggest how usually he wants so very exciting agreed and you could tell off the turned that nobody. Nobody was sitting in watching the the the dual unfold. Nobody put themselves in a position to you. Know to go and pick you off or pick off. You know whoever was going to survive if one was going to survive the dual and You you could see I mean was just motoring That's his that's his third win in seven starts and he has know. He's one wire-to-wire all three times. Now I mean we can consider this a wire-to-wire even though you know he he essentially on the chart is is second. I mean they're they're at each other the whole way off talking about his the development a little bit because It it feels like feels like this is. This is a horse. That's got plenty of upside yet. Last summer I thought he was a pretty nice for us. We worked about begin. Del Mar Believe Ran Pacific Classic Day But the week before we were very good work out of the gate I was of two minds whether they give them a try on the on the dirt. I out or try. I'm sprinting on the turf and I thought go ahead see how we do on the dirt and I'm not GonNa say it was ugly but it wasn't very good And I knew he was a better horse than what he showed that afternoon. turf seemed like a logical spot. Just like he handles all that day. give them some time to regroup start in late. October sprinting here on her and US pretty good he was. I mean he did everything right. He broke sharp got into the race. Seem like he handled Turkey beautifully and it was sort of just a no brainer from there. So what we go down. That path is taking you. You know clearly a good direction that you think the think. He's uniquely suited to the mile. Lots of times when you get a horse like this the the longer you go the easier the the first half of the early splits they get softer and at a worse like this could technically keep on going. How much further do you think he wants to stretch out the thing? There's a racier going on file at an age that I just didn't seem to be really comfortable with. I thought a mile probably be is optimum trip. I have a feeling that I would rather ru- Or lasers body down every time at the correct distance and if he gets beat so be it rather than having a horse. Lay His body down Give you a hundred and ten percent at distance. He's probably not as best that and having get knocked out or get you know can lose confidence or what have you So I thought the mile was the best trip obviously the expensive getting back there and things like that logistics easy but I thought it was in the long run. I thought it was the best thing for him to do That doesn't mean at some point. We won't try stretching about a little bit farther but I didn't think for one hundred one hundred fifty thousand dollars. The wrong spot made much sense. Sure I you know something else occurs to me Looking at this chart. How much fun is it for you to win a steak with Johnny a lot? Obviously he has been a big part of where. I- professionally learned a lot from him during my tenure talk pletcher just to see not only how he conducts himself all the racetrack. The off of the racetrack I have a lot of respect for him as a man So yeah to win race like with him. You pretty special. I root for him all the time and I believe it's probably vice versa. So very gratifying. With a with the guy that you spent a lotta time trenches with yet because I I I kind of glanced down to see you know how how often you get an opportunity to ride with Johnny and it's been it's been nominal so Really Nice That that's a nice eibar to have a picture like that together. This is a cannon home-bred as well out of a flower alley mayor and I mentioned earlier midnight. Lute of course at Helen Dale who just gets all different kinds of horses and just matches up with the with all kinds of mayors and smooth like straight the figure. Actually the the initial figure came back In the high eighties and then the final figure actually ended up being ninety five So This is a career best performance and it seems they're really set you up going forward for the for the middle part of the year lots of opportunities for three year old three year olds on the grass. Like this smooth like straight. Tell us about Canon. Actually I see their name and I don't know anything about him. I've had worsened trading with them for about five years At ease been a loyal supporter. he does a little bit of everything. Claims BREEDS BUYS This is a nice surprise for him. Obviously being a home bred he had two sisters To have sisters with like straight that have been kind of averages so by going getting Getting a what looks to be a top class. Horses Been Really a pleasant experience for him He's had a try here on a couple of folks In the horse business so very good guy very passionate about racing very passionate about the animal itself He is a rancher So he knows the game in and out those horses in and out so That was a great thrill for both of us On Saturday be able to go ahead said one out of town. Get the money It'd be false. You know with family and friends that have all of his family. Was there watching very exciting? That's right that's right smooth like straight and the war chant win and plenty of calm Michael Quick Update on on a few of the other major players and of course stable star the two-time great one winning CC gives us Some thoughts How the the next steps out of the Apple Blossom how she came on had a very nice five h work yesterday. Five audit one very pleased what I saw dominated fear to stay on the weekend. The Santamaria We got a couple of other races out there. The maybe kind of floating around on the radar the Phipps kind of there Is well our ultimate goal for the summer. We'll be the Clement Hirsch which is named after the onerous father So that is that's our media goal. How we get there Still kind of year but a very pleased with what I've seen from her Since the apple blossom with each passing week this distaff division It just gets thicker and heavier and you know between midnight visa with CC and the return of Monoploy goal and then Dunbar Road You know we're we`re. We're still waiting for the handicapped division to kind of find itself and define itself but I gotTa Badgen that you know serious serious fans and players are really fascinated with what seems to be happening. You know with the phillies and mayors. Yes pretty neat. The way it stocking up this year of deceptive is absolutely loaded. The bullet Should make for a good summer. That a fall. What's what's next for. Speech speech will take part in the sanity oats or June sixth nice training. Well work great this weekend. Obviously a gut polar there at Oakwood Park be apparently a superstar. And give me or so. Bob Says Disgrace back looking forward to get this really back over to the race. It seems like she's training well It could be an exciting prospect for later on here. Well and can't let you go without checking in on one of the veteran favorites in the barn who just keeps rolling along and That's how Hieaux just the just amazing because how old is he right now. What see turned nine and he is amazing. He's amazing Loves HIS JOB GOES OUT TRAINS. Every day can't wait to get to the racetrack enjoys walks after a really He is a smart as a whip. I tell you know anyone who gets on copy surprised if this horse turns around starts talking to you on Came out of his work not is food. As I would have liked to have seen got a little hitch in his giddy up. He is going to get the summer off. we'll go ahead cut a assessor option with him. September Labor Day and see if we want to go ahead. Bring it back. Maybe try for another three peat caught fitzsimmons Handicap for Paradise if Turf Paradise is even in business next year or we want to go ahead. Setup optic reader pastures become a writing or for somebody so were is accomplished. An awful lot you know. Fifty thousand dollar claim they were great one winner And stakes winner so we got some time to figure that out. He's just getting his head down right now. Breath whatever we decide to do We'll make sure the interest very nice and finally I'm GonNA ask about Kind of a Offbeat a horse that. I'm curious where things stand. You had a Philly win an allowance race at Oakland. The end of the meat and Yeah I think it might have been was was talking about. Rushie was on Closing Day. That's a coke. Yeah he wouldn't allow He Will Rhode in the sad to Anita Derby here Hordley. Obviously this time of year you to kind kinda see where you're see what you've got I think he certainly earned the right to you. Know step up in class Being out of a Colonel John Maher. I don't think the violent it is going to be a problem. For a couple of those baffert's maybe but Horses doing very well looking forward to see what he could do for the summer. Here what we can do for him as well in return very nice Glad glad I ask is I I saw that allowance win and got a decent figure and He was of course You know he was the horse that was behind Charlatan in Charlatans big runoff allowance win and If came came back out of that You wanted oaklawn tremendous Rushie so at Russia to your Santho needed Derby List Michael. Well done and things going great Make a new stars and maintaining the ones That have already established themselves. Stay safe and continued success. Try Thank you very much. Good to hear from you. Had to be a pretty quiet couple of weeks for you. I'm sure as well but Right everybody's up back in racing and they'll have a good summer exactly Michael McCarthy everybody and you follow Michael on twitter. Wm racing and just Always funded that check in and there's existing stars and there's some that are moving forward. This smooth like straight is a nice a nice forgoing type and a lot of times. You can stretch them out. We're going to stay right here and get nick tomorrow and and dive right into the Santa Anita Card. I Michael Michael's next starter at say at the NITA isn't until Friday but So so we can't get any insight to any many runners that he might have thought he might have had for for today. Neka mourning mourning. You doing okay right neck before we talk about the sequence today which includes the pair great ones. Let's go back and look at what we talked about on Friday and get some some post-mortems in particularly on Saturday at excuse me. Churchill and You the horses that You would have expected to run well and you had to kind of make a referendum In terms of the time off For the most part they they really couldn't have performed better definitely. Obviously we're speaking specifically about them. Borrow the KNOXVILLE. Both of whom ran very very well. done by road work pretty impressive victory. The only thing that sort of gets on my nerves about by road as as as with each passing start. They seem to turn her into more of kind of a a plotting one type of Philly and she's really not You're talking about a horse that one pretty much sitting right on top of the pace in her second career start and looked like a horse that had at least good tactical speed. I'm sorry in her debut and set on top of the pace in her second career. Start so I hope that you know especially as you start to see some of the heavy heads in this division potentially down the line. I don't know she'll come back in the absence. Maybe wait a racist potentially are Toga. But I don't know if you WANNA be giving horses like CC and and monitor girl those kinds If they ended up squaring off a whole great deal of separation early on but that being said it was a moderate pace on Saturday. She made a pretty impressive move around the far turn. I'm to then win going away and didn't beat a bad field. I mean it wasn't a great field by any needs but vault was a useful horse in the mid Atlantic last year to capable of earning a beyer speed figure around ninety and chocolate. Of course it's the greatest stake when I got one of the most astute ride with declan cows career and keeping a close to throw pace and looked for a second midstretch like she might end up so even fending off the eventual winner I thought Matfield was terrific. I think he's an immensely talented horse. I think now it gets very interesting for him both because the competition tougher and clearly connections are going to have to to deal with the question of whether to run the on steaks. And it's something you would imagine an outfit like a dolphin would be very hard pressed to skip It would be air. It would be very to imagine it would do something like that but They might in an interest of of looking down the line towards the race the Derby. I hope he shows up in the Belmont. I think he'll almost certainly have some pace to run out with what is is already pointing there. And then he'll really get to. He'll have an opportunity to distinguish himself amongst his crop again already. Grade one winner. Obviously that would just kind of enhances his value and reputation deservedly so But yeah I thought I thought both about as good as we could have hoped axioms earned a lifetime beyer speed figure. We talked on Friday. About what kind of move forward he might make off the layoff and I think he definitely did that. I think we'd be remiss and and recapping without mentioning Ellendale who was And of course one more comebacker and Sharon but only was very amazing. Rocketing down the middle of the track to win the blame and looks like a Horse. Said that they're gonNa have some fun with. I think he can be effective anywhere from the mile to violent a quarter probably and And he's got a big excuse me Breeders Cup classic. He was much much too close to that pace. I think how comfortable on her wanted to didn't want to run the risk of losing too much ground early and having to make up a lot of it against better horses he was overmatched but that they anyway but does seem like he's taking a real step forward so I would imagine He'll resurface in the foster fakes like they talk. And maybe some of those By my standards some of the other oaklawn handicap alums potentially. But I think we'll see. Oh and Dale Good Accounting himself in that division throughout the rest of the year and you know sharing just seems like the kind of worse than shows off every time and those are those are the kinds of you can find admirable and Really makes her own trip. Many Franklin seems to be a great fitch just off the the patient with effective on Saturday. So she seems like a horse lose anything by being away and you know in this restructured year. This this changed calendar. I'm sure Graham Otieno find some good spots along the way. There's a lot of usually by this time of year. I'm I'm already complaining about the the number of three year old filly turf stakes races. There are now instead to fight. We've usually had like twelve by now with another thousand or so on the calendar but I I would imagine sharing potentially popped up in a race like a wonder again and On Dole Monday and then we'll see her down the line. Some big ones a couple of Little sidebars you know you mentioned You mentioned declan. Carol and chocolate kisses for Debbie Oxley Marquette e. There was there was a very evident angle if you were looking to work a price in with the two obvious horses with she's a Julie and Dunbar own. As I mentioned as I mentioned earlier in A. She's a Julie was in trouble. One jump out of the gate when when she found herself trailing immediately and That's that's not how she's going to be successful chocolate kisses and of course Kassy's running war of will who will talk about shortly in in the shoemaker. Today and gase. You know one of the the people I suppose with Chad Brown and with Kenny mcpeek That kind of moves horses to and from turf and the main track With alacrity chocolate kisses has made giant leaps forward every time. Cassie has gone turf to dirt with her every time it's been. It was the the obvious pattern with him and Look at her performance in the Indiana. Oaks off the wonder again You look at the performance in the honeybee which she one off of the turf allowance at fairgrounds she ran credibly in the In the Johnson and then you know was was way back early in the house. Abidi's the only the forest start of her career. But he's done this now four times turf to dirt with chocolate kisses and got a huge effort from her in in this spot. You know in civil war grueling later I almost wonder if I know he's been pretty adamant about wanting a grade one on turf for bill but I almost wonder if that is Is in the back of his mind. As far as what he's going to do with him for his spot because blaming were of will feels an awful lot like of course. It'd be a great fit at a better race like the met Mile Selection. It comes up perfectly timing life so I could definitely see that being there. They're planning down the line but yeah I mean it was a good example of and look. I complain on twitter a lot about pace and rides and where horses positioned in all kinds of things and And probably should be a little bit more charitable about it but you know here was a situation declan. Carol need took an aggressive approach. And and when when the break happened it became clear to him that the pace that was expected from the outside wasn't going to be there and then you know. The connections of our Emma. Hack seemed to have determined that a little bit better rating and and so the the pace was clearly going to be pretty sluggish and that put him in a good spot stalking aboard his philly. So I think that that it was Yeah unfortunately she's Julia ran very poorly and it might just be time for Julie. Maybe she doesn't really want to be a racehorse anymore. The majority of the time when you see a work break slowly like that with no appreciable. Excuse I don't really have much to offer. Somebody hoping that. She comes back with improved. I've always liked her but It could be at this point in her career that there's not a whole a whole lot left There's a lot left for Dunbar. Oh no doubt about it and so we'll see what she can do now. Getting back into graded competition. I also WANNA mention be before we start to look at today's action There was a performance mid card or fairly early in the cart spooky channels effort and for me. You know from the way. My Day unfolded. That was he was the key and the five year. Old gelding ran a career best just by a point but spooky channels effort and leper ruse ride to win that. Eighty eight thousand dollars allowance That was really notable and pay eighteen dollars. That was a fun race. Yeah this was. This was like a grade three and a you know like a great three point six Given that that lineup will ask. We'll ask the grand motion in a little bit about you know English be you just kind of ran around. There didn't really didn't really offer all that much and ended up what fifty out ended up fifth in there but I thought Spooky Channel was was live in there and he ran grade second time year. Scooby channel surprising race and win. A lot of eyes were on him a fraction of the price. Today he was when he won the the state couple of months ago a Gulfstream. But you know this was a this was a funny race from a variety of perspectives. There was a scratch of One of the expected speed horses which was a threat of blue and so mix star still ended up showing speed made. You Look showed speed on the barn change and real story who looked like he might be one of the vein takes players ended up just getting a three talking trip and and it actually surprisingly a couple of I didn't think would be anywhere near the lead or a little bit closer than expected including first premio in English be English been affected when he's been somewhat close to the pace in the task. So it's really not all that surprising but and then you had to channel mid pack and Parlor who. I thought would be up and relatively close to. The pace was wrangled all the way back to last. We're going around the turn parlor made this psychotic middle move that That he would make even Joe Bravo blush and and ended up ended up getting collared late and and it was just a I mean my heart really goes out to anybody who parlour because you were on more than likely the best horse and sukey channel as happening a lot of times turf got held up and waited as all of this unfolded and it was. It was perfect so you know this is one of those situations and trip. Handicapping were a lot of times. Getting into traffic. Having to wait is actually a good thing and if you watch this replay coming off the turn left. Route clearly has horse as he him. Outside and by this point parlor has blown the race open and has completely collapsed any of the remaining speed horses and that includes English. Mr Misunderstood who had made kind of middle news around the half-mile Pole so and Henry ended up making a good late. Run On the white outside just Howard also finished well but it was perfectly. I mean if you if you if you bet on Spooky channel you may have wondered what was going on a couple of different times left. We let a lot of stuff go on around him but Once he was able to get free he did finish well. And you'd expect that from a horse that had been effective going a bit longer. This was the old three two three turn to to turn cutback on the turf which a lot of times of ensure that horse finishes with a with a lot of positive energy yet good tax for anybody who got him eight to one. I thought was maybe a little low office. Wealth One morning line but But of course the certainly now has proven to be very quite versatile for Brian Lynch and I would imagine a Linda resurfacing in a race like the wise Dan. I think this was a prep for the White van on Stephen Foster Day. So we'll see a lot of these horses. Come right back exactly. And there was the maiden breaking Medaglia d'oro Philly For Chad in Chadwell. Chadwell as we UH on Saturday My modest seventy seven Fagin there and It was a fun day racing Start to finish it You know there wasn't. There weren't gigantic prices but Made for made for I thought of a very satisfying afternoon and Let's see we can't do the same thing for Monday. And dive into the multi grade one carded Santa Anita. Today Nick a couple of backwards since the great ones are at the end of this. Pick five sequence in terms but he wants to dig into those I and again Lee came with terrific race. You have a combination of some of the forces that are based locally southern California with some shippers and the ultimate of course being Who's making her American debut through Chad Brown? And you know when you're talking about hyper Senate trainer like Chad Brown. You can find a variety of different. The backup your thoughts but With Greatest Day courses going along the turf off hundred and eighty plus day. Layoffs Ewing in North America Chad. Six twelve with a three thirty six our ally and you just don't see those kind of numbers really for him in any category and I mean my gas and I have no no information. I have no insight into beyond my own opinion. My guess is that this is a this is about twenty five percent. Of course she wants firm TURF and probably seventy five percent of course so those last two poor performances tend to look like if you look at a lot of euro form over the years they tend to look like the performance is put forth by of course that was bleeding. So it's no surprise that she ended up coming here where she can be treated with. Klay six and And that certainly GonNa make her I. I would say a lot. More effective You know you're GONNA have to take a short price everybody's GonNa know that this is a scenario where Chad's does extremely well. I think it works. The is directly to outside all these candy that we could go on and on with superlatives about Alex candies where she nearly pulled off. Wire-to-wire win while setting just an absolutely insane. Early pays and The being rundown late by CC for the second actually being by t for the second consecutive time. He's clearly the the one to catch in here. I don't think that is GONNA go on big suicide mission and try and Hook Always can't even either goddess with all these candy. Know that with an inside post and her two best efforts both being when she was actively involved in the pace. This is clearly a horse who wants to be involved early and I think we'll see that and I think she's very very dangerous from that inside post you got a few horses coming out of the BUENAVISTA which was one in upset fashion by either. The stars But one amongst them. I would say that I'm least interested in using is mutual unusual which usual great strengthen visa only to come up wanting late. Now get to jockey change from his. Reo to Umberto solely who have proven to be excellent on the on the sanity of course so it's not not a big downgrade by any means. But she's going to have to run better. Competition in here is better than what she faith last time. So I think we pretty simple as far as closing out a multi rates bad. I think it's one two and I don't think you need any more than that. Chad's other shipper. Beautiful Lover Looks a little bit more. Like a a listed state tight. Maybe a great three type and she's GonNa have to elevate your game pretty significantly to be effective here. Though her last performance against starts jubilee was perfectly fine. I just think that horses like Ali's candy and it's going to be over much for well. There is a positive. I thought the beautiful lover one thing being price and then stylistically for at least a you know for at least share. She made a significant. I thought progress second off that fairly lengthy lay-off I mean she was gone. Six seven months between the open mind Mid Nineteen and the seasonal debut and she did make up a couple of links on on starship jubilee between those two starts and I mean what what would starship jubilee being in this race. You probably probably stir choice. She'd be back no doubt about it. So No it's it's I would say that. She's affiliates improving. I mean the difference between her and a lot of these. These southern California regulars like Mutual unusual lady prance lot to a lesser extent. Tiny Tina is that you have a little bit of. There's there's potential in beautiful lover that you can your forecast which you really can't in any of those other horses so there's reason to believe that she can get a little bit better but she can run. Maybe a more complete race I just. I wonder if even that won't be good enough so I think she's clearly a backup. And if you're GONNA use the one in two as main horses here like I am. Then you're gonNA use her as your your next year forces in the Milky Rates. Play there you go To want to jump to the shoemaker. And we'll come back to the the twelve five claimer. You don't want to talk about the greatest five claimer in the middle of to grade one refund. It's about race placement but this was a little little strange but against early Olympic is considering a huge favourite in the Monrovia. But I mean I miss the days when people racing secretaries didn't worry about what prices sources we're going to be and they just started their stakes races around each other That being said that the shoemaker's tremendously interesting race. We talked earlier about worth will who Connections are on a mission to get him a grade one on the turf. He's a of course began on the turf and actually looked like he was going to be a pretty nice turf. Wars early on and then to improve a great deal going to dirt ally just as his stablemate chocolate kisses. Did on Saturday. So we'll see if this ends up being something that's a stepping stone to another race. The interesting thing about worth will of course is that he has Joe Hurley speed. He can be very close to do saw in the opening stages even if you do songs allowed to get loose but it will probably be worth will who comes to him. I and tries to get the jump on all laid running types. Much like the gamely. You have a good local. Contingent made up of primarily river boy next shares true valour. These are all hard knocking turf. Milers that I think all of whom are capable on their best day of running a winning race and then you have three three shippers in this race that are gonNA really receive a tremendous amount of support between March city arch raging bull and and without parole and. I'm not sure really. Just how good all three are collectively without parole? Rent quite well in the readers top mile when third off the big ray offered sad but then he was a complete no-show in the Pegasus turf and ended up processing really nothing Tiring late to finish eleventh now comes back looking for redemption. Perhaps you need a rock-solid firm turf course but it's it's not exist. The Gulf Stream I in the Pegasus was damp by any means. So I'm not looking to make take a stand with without parole expecting into to run particularly good race. I'm a little skeptical on. I would try to valor locals that are trying to To step up in here and I say that because I thought that of all of the the also Rans Behind River Boyne and got stormy. I thought that he had kind the the most trouble. If you WANNA call it that he really having trouble he was just trying to rally from the farthest back into a moderate pace. So if you think he's GonNa get a little bit more pace to run at. I think he can be very dangerous. You're GONNA get a good price good connections and a good inside post so he would be my long shot to include I could see there being support for next chairs who ran quite well in the row also and now can probably be a little bit closer to the pace. That's probably took him a little bit too far back. But he's a horse whose runwell repeatedly and It looks to be a great fit in here. Rachel go in March to the Arctic. Thinker are kind of one the slightly better version of the two of them And neither of them are really all that great and the raging bull ran a number of of good raising last year. I guess he was just a little bit over it and I thought that his twenty nine thousand campaign was just incredibly frustrating. Thought this was going to be. I kind of thought that he was going to have the bricks and mortar type year the way he ended twenty nine thousand nine hundred eighteen but he never put it together. You Know He. He was ineffective in in part because he was running against sources like bricks and mortar but In Park tickets just didn't really. He found the competition a lot. Tougher in two thousand nine hundred and maybe it was just a good three year old and didn't move on. He's going to run better than races. Like the Woodbine Mile and turf classic And he's not going to get the kind of pace setup he did in the four star. Dave. So we'll see. What kind of improvement we we get out of him. I'm still a little skeptical as to to how good he really is. And if he is great one caliber facing older horses So we'll see I'm he's a. He's a question mark for Me River. Going of course on the outside didn't draw quite wealthy. Good lifetime when he was able to to ride the the whole way tag got stormy right on the wire but re blencoe horse you have to use. He ran second in this race last year. He got better twenty nineteen went on into twenty twenty and I would imagine that would just be foolish to miss a pictographic five because you didn't have him so regardless of the type postseason bus juice. Who were the as Who who do we have to use your obviously Mentioned Valor and I'm GonNA use true valour and next shares War of will more than likely in river. Boyne and then I'll use the CHADS and mess. Backups Yep yeah I I think raging raging bull. I think you gotTA respect Certainly certainly wouldn't Wouldn't mind the comforts Getting Getting decorate one for without parole. Well now we've got decide deck. We've got the three races that are part of the pick five. It starts with the CAL bread. I level allowance going a mile on the grass Then there's a made special for fillies and Mares Turf Sprint where only to have got experience and I looked at the pedigree's in ear and it's a little mysterious frankly and I thought that that's a tricky spot in the sequence and then there's that's well five So let's let's do races seven eight and yeah. I felt the seventh was a three race and I think people may end up putting more support on a horse like three a m who will end up going off the favorite if you base it on his speech figures coming towards the end of twenty nineteen other contracts. Pretty good approach but He wants to be forwardly placed. Feels like there's going to be a little bit of pace in here so I'm not altogether certain. But but he's any great shakes at five to two or so I think you absolutely have to use the Peter Miller trainy jamming. Eddie WHO's getting Go back to the terrorists. Getting a Jockey Changed Foley and I thought Britain extremely well last time setting a very fast paced before getting tagged right on the wire and I think some of his prior turf reasons are better than they look. I think this is a horse that needs to be set up just a little bit off the pace can and I think it's one of those where you can you can bank on a good turf writer. And it is going to be positioned properly by jockey. Seems to be riding the turf very well so I thought his best efforts made him a contender. And then I think it's really gonNA boil down to how many of them you want to use the next. I would big city Dane. Who will also benefit tastes gets quick has back with an inside post so we should be. Let's say of ground and make one run. It's completely unknown the quality of the field. He'd beat last time because most of the sources have been Austin given the the break affinity to because of covid but clearly he came out of a race to back which was won by Liberty. Who also is is in here. The of liberty came back and won a fifty thousand dollars Starter Allowance Race. So He's one that you WANNA consider now doesn't have the weight break with the with relies on board this time but is one that certainly has improved as his career is gone. He's really never corley turf at all. So I think if you're if you have the budget of Vail ability to go for deep you're gonNA use probably both see of whether the end big city dame but they might have one of those who might be who you caught. If you're you're looking to only go three deep the the two year old race that you I'm sorry the made especially great that you referenced. The the morning line favorite and of course you know this is i. Everybody knows already. The workout reports moves in the market on these races. So so much. So as far as Harrington goes He had positive workouts for the morning. Line favorite fierce pursue also river girl. And and with this vow both of whom come from Barnes that do very well with first time starter. So it's not gonna be a big surprise. If if one of them runs quite well. In fact it going back you need a handicap day. There was a short tracks. Bob Baffert trainee that was actually beaten by run. L. I and and with his vows by broken thousands Pranzi do perfectly fine first time out worked well at the the Tipton. Twenty and sale. Last year the dam was takes place. She was debut winner and she's dropped one winner from two to race. You got a couple of interesting pedigrees in here garden in the rain. The Dan of Queen Verizon was a seven time winner on the turf. She has actually dropped seven winners as a broodmare. None of whom have been all that distinguished other than Govinda who was effective mostly overseas running in Germany and Denmark So it's a little bit more of a turtle oriented agree not sure how much verizon will influence. And he's just seven percent. First time out favor daughter for Richie. Baltimore is by now. Who's an eight percent debut sire? The dam of the Philly was healthy addiction. Who'S A grade one winner? She on the Santa Margarita. This is a pedigree that feels like it's geared a little bit more towards route racing does have one sibling my sweet addiction who wanted to vanity. So it's a it's a situation where I think you probably GonNa. We're GONNA get her bust a little bit down the line of the to baffler trees. I think it seems to say the better pedigree is the ANJELICA who is out of a multiple stakes winning damage. Angel gift is also a half to Easter gift to his own Bible. Contra won a couple of fakes. Racism was great place in the Clark. But here's for. School is out of the missing mass. Dan Named CJ's Leelee ran for Kenny. Mcpeek when she was multiple stakes place. She's dropped four winners including Who was actually a debut winner but was disqualified a horse named it just hit the wire at Saratoga a couple years ago and she also produced. Cj Austin who third as a four year old in the maximum Gold Cup. And Sam. Houston so there's immeasurable move. They're based on that pedigree and then river girl is is an American Sarah. The dam was dirt route winter. This is more of a I. Think Hector Paloma is going to have this ready type of situation and this is the barnacles very well first time started so I would use river girl. I would use fierce pursual. I would probably use the ANJELICA would use with this vow and I'm just trying to out of the race and you have to make a decision on what you WANNA do. Buyer's remorse and clearly buyer's remorse. Of course that ran well enough on debut to be in place in running the great one and then come back in another face race so O'Neill off a long layoff is not Doesn't have the most encouraging them but certainly is the guy who can have them ready and I think there's reason to believe that this source would still of course have some ability such pretty wide open rates one that you just kind of want to try and find a way to get through but It'll be a lot more interesting. I think to watch in Tibet. So what kind of ticket do you think we can? We can construct here neck well depending on on what you WanNa do with the twelve. Five cleaners You know I think that this race I thought was interesting because I really wasn't particularly big fan of fire when ready. And he feels like he's going to be the favourite if you trust. Wilshire do from some that outside posts then I mean you're going to do clearly gonNA WANNA use him getting back to conventional dirt well last time on synthetic but it's a very wide open race in the sense that. I think pretty much five or six of the eight can win. I you're going to get a decent enough pace. Will Dancer had plenty of speed models pretty aggressive? So I think he'll be. He'll be getting after it early. But you know you've got these class concerns with stubby perfection coming back onto dirt Having face twelve climbers up north. Which I think are weaker. Lot Top to bottom and community astray dropping class If you consider the twenty thousand dollar raises at Turf Paradise Tougher and he's GonNa get a great sense from the inside stocking and And in town seeing if they separate a little bit late so I wanted to use both of those two I am. I don't have a lot of confidence in impression or or rock and a hard place so I I think I'll probably focus on the worst towards the inside along with With Wilshire Dude and hope to just get out of the life yeah. I'm glad you mentioned glad you mentioned community Estrella coming in from Turf Paradise and finally Nick Did you look at the Monrovia? Yeah you know. I thought earlier on the cards I did. And and I've kind of becoming Aleksandra Fan. So I'm I'm interested in seeing what she off the layoff. It's GonNa be tough for serve to get going to five and a half and Santa Anita. I think she's a worse. It's better when she's got a little bit more of a straightaway to to really uncool and then make that late run but I thought she was tremendously impressive in that race. Frank Otani last year. Yes you got. She got a lot of pace to run out but really exploded late and It looks like a horse that was going to be affected streaming on the Turk. No matter what hopefully she gets a lot of pace in front of her you know I know the Jolie Olympic was was pretty much sensational in winning the Las Vegas and probably rates together a similar threats. She should win but But I I'll be interested to see if somehow she can end up softened up a little bit early heroic Sandra running in her late. It doesn't look like the winner will come from outside of those two. But I'll be interested to see if maybe maybe there's a little stand you can take against the favorite with all the time a lot of TV coverage later and I'm going to have to get some answers from Peter Rotondo in our three about The the NBC coverage but Certainly the the shoemaker as The winning you're in for the Breeders Cup. The first domestic winning urine challenge race. Actually and Should be another terrific afternoon. And of course America's Day at the races on Fox sports to giving you everything from Churchill no Tampa today so it'll be all churchill and neck. I appreciate this best a lock and we'll check in at the end of the week. You Bet my friend appreciate Nick Tomorrow. Everybody and Tam T. A. M. M. Want two one five. We'll stay right here because waiting on the line is a very satisfied. Brendon Walsh BP. W Brandon Walsh joins us off of Max Fields Comeback Performance. The Great Three Matt. Win and fifty point boost in his Derby standings and more importantly puts him square into the march towards September. In the Derby Brendan Congratulations. Thank you thank you know. I made it very plain last week. you know you're not you're not a trash talker at least publicly but I thought it was. I thought it was obvious how confident you were coming into Saturday. I don't order. I'd say confidence Steve Closer. It got more anxious we got you know what I mean. Even he wasn't working really well You know obviously doors was really nice horse last year and he looked like he developed. And don't every bit as well here. There's walk was called put. You know you're so you're kind of looking for confirmation of death and You know you you get the jitters closer it gets but you know thankfully He indicated themselves on Saturday and coach. That has just What he was doing in the morning and you know. I think it was more than anything Saturday morning when our Saturday evening? Anyway does such a good race talk a little bit about the way you were approaching things before the onset of the pandemic and you know what kind of timetable you're on. Will you know thinking you know thinking through the winter that it's not going to be possible to be ready for the spring classics Let's leave Santa Anita from Rears Cup last year. And and where was your head and and the Godolphin Team? What was the thinking and and then talk about how it changed we You know it's it's funny It kinda hit home to me. It is you know really when when it all boils down and you guess you know. He's he's injury was not a serious injury. But you get some kind of hiccup with that at all And it puts you on the back foot little this As far as making Derby's concerned you know and we tried to get those back. You know as quick as quick as we could without Russian But you know you. You're trying to give him time. You're trying not to do to the wrong thing than anything and You know I think we we probably would have had to try to determine the with one that's over. We were kind of looking at the same time wasn't going to be you know we weren't going to force the horse at any point. If he was going to do with for he was going to do it. But you know would have been a clean of a wouldn't have been the the normal way that you go about trying to make the therapy dog. She like to go at least two preps and try to get as much work in as you could to to get them there but at least when the cold with all thing had you know we had a bit you know everything was in uncertainty Damon. Keenum got cancelled so because there was probably strong we're we're going to bluegrass and You Know Keenan Dot Hansen. So that was out of the way in. Derby got postponed. So that gave us a good You know it gives them breathing room woman and we were able to just back off the horse. It was time to go north to Kentucky so we we brought him north. We gave him a little time to Sakhalin keen. The guilt trip traveling all of course we were planning originally on flying about you. Know that was scuppered as well. So he came by road and You know we take our time. We kind of gave gave Kinda three weeks where we didn't do anything. And then you know things were starting to shape up again and I kind of thought to myself. Well try and get the horse. Horsera- have him. Ready for you know take tentatively from middle of May and then shoot fees for as to come up from and then this program came out with a short children in management came up you know card weekend of May which was perfect Pity we didn't have to travel them to distance was about right and You know we had him on a scale. Where we're we're going to you know thirty rice walk for them so thankfully it worked out group FRUS. We'll talk about how the you know how things will unfold. And and some thoughts about in what's next and so forth and and a schedule but let's pause and talk about what you learned and what transpired In the race proper and the work tab going back to the you know the gate drill at Keeneland on May tenth when he fired a a fifty nine and one bullet that seemed to signal that a couple of different things I mean you know for those. That were worried about him. You know breaking cleanly and and getting out of the gate well Obviously that you work on that You know for terms of public awareness. You see it when you when there is the G on a gate work. But it's something the you know. How many times A week to the gate and pop out of there. In the meantime as you know as a in in between the gate published gate work Yeah I mean look at sixteen. I think you need to put in you know couple of I'm I'm not one. You know you look at any of my horses walk tabs another one for for. There's no money in the morning as they say you know. I'm not one for absolutely drilling them day in day out and weekend of you know. I think if they can run You know we don't have to see it every every every other week. You know eight or candidate can't and and we try to preserve them as best we can but I think ours is coming to run tons like he was and and You know he's coming off a seven seven and a half months layoffs. I do in general like the break horse from gays especially Dr Torsos and I think it's about as close to a race of YOU'RE GONNA get to without actually vacation You know it gets them rolling in and to get a lot out of it. So you know what? Jose was in town that weekend. A person to the horse to Trick Walker well which we had done I believe the weekend previously are to gate walk so thankfully got more commodity gays and it went grazing and was great. Jose got to get a feel of Dorsey. Gandhi delighted with him and I think it instills confidence in talk for for Saturday as well as good as you know the end of the day Steve. He's he's a good horse and I don't you know he he. He makes us all good. I don't think any strokes genius is genius that that you know it takes the train like he's just naturally talented horse. And you know I think once you keep them medically in the Get them their piece. I think they do it from there. You can just back and forth as you like. Let's get into the gate and talk about the way. The race unfolded and the positives. By the time you know by the time. He's galloping out. How many positives there were because I know you saw the the little tweet that I sent out there minutes after the race. Where you know not only was the return successful if you're evaluating it via via W but I thought it was successful because he did something pretty notable I mean not only does he break and then get kinda jostled. There was that scrum of about six seven horses and the ends up shuffling back early. And then Jose settles him and then starts to you know. Put him into the race You know I thought Jose this did everything the way you would've liked the liked to see under the scenario that unfolded. I mean. Talk about the the trip once. The Gate Open. Yeah I you know we we kind of it. Pretty much to Jose. We weren't sure last year before we ever all we. He never does particularly as a horse. That was slow breaker. Steve wasn't getting behind in his homework last year. I think he was just you know. He was physically mature. I think it was taking him a little while to get his his big fame loaning more than anything you know. We only talked about the one time that time that we worked them At home in in in the interim and he came out of there quick so we kind of thought he might break quicker this time and you know there was to free almost. Is that look like speed horses. Hoping to maybe they clear people going into the and and we take him in behind them somewhere And it did get a little bit Of the business grown. They're going into the first turn. But you know Credit to Jose He. He looked like he's GonNa go for white at the tar but you know he managed to get the horse after going into the turn initially managed to get them down into the second Second Lane and and save some ground. Sourcing don't go down back. He'd nowhere to Goldie such cleaned horse. And he's such an easy horsing he's he's a professional he switched off and he's just signing behind them up almost like a turf as if you can you know they just have to wait for this place and thankfully they had to destroy the split came in and he picked up by God. That was the most impressive part of the whole races acceleration from the head of destroying when he got the gap to to where he caught up to The horse that ran second kind of veered out on me based on. I think when he had to straighten them up again that acceleration from here to there and the most impressive part of his of his race. Young Woman but Yeah. It was great. It was great. It was great. Learning experience go horse as well. You know last year he you know he he kind of had the bad big From time out came in the rain by your body. It's amazing the day. I think he'll have learned an awful lot. You know throw horse that I'll have to go into races like you know say derby scenario. And of course they're going to. He's going to have to go. Hey to aid and you know. It was nice that he got to do that. Theater a straight back and still it puts you in the perfect position to lay out a plan through the late spring and into summer and Brandon there There is a reconfigured classic That is going to run. In four weeks the timing would be ideal for the Belmont. the configuration of course the mile in the eight. The one turn which given his running style would would seem to suit fine And I'm curious How much discussion already have you had Jimmy Bell and the team Is is a Belmont at at nine furlongs. That is still a great one and still a million dollars. is it As attractive as as any classic looking at targets Yeah I mean it would definitely be beyond the cards. I'm Steve I. Wouldn't you know I could make rendering just yet Because there's some other races whereas we probably be looking at we haven't titled. You know a major discussion abodes with yet. I think we go see all those when he goes back to detract now This Week and Jim for sure for sure. It's it's on the cards as similar racing to You know but it all depends at the end of the day. What what we need to do Much based for the horse and I think that's what it's all to to boil down to the end You know obviously to number one target that I'll probably be the derby I would think You know so. We'll talk about. It will try to negotiate the best The Best Possible. Take us there. How have you and you've got this for all horses? Not just for the for the three year old season but How're you viewing the calendars as they're starting to firm up and talk just about you know the overall uncertainties that Have been presented to me. Now things are starting to firm up. I was it affected you. Overall you still have horses down in Florida Which is a benefit of course but Some thoughts about planning things Going forward Well hope and you know all these rates have start coming on them and settled down. We get back into a normal routine again. Steve Because we need some dilution at a moment's GonNa raises are coming up superstar. Talk we know what to I mean. I'm mad windy. Today was was a personnel STOSKOPF. you know the the all the stakes are charging again tough spots because you know people have nowhere to go right now. So they're long cleared one winners running hundred thousand dollars institutes and stuff like that so you know hopefully things start to To program starts to set up a little better. I think a lot of people are going. You know everybody's got horses not a fresh ready to go. You know so. People are looking for spots and any need places to run but thankfully you know it's it's about set. Start back up as well Hopefully Maryland an a few more of these kind of far is back on the goal. So you know hopefully Get a a more program here. Extend COUPLA weeks and then we can have more of an idea exactly where we wanted to go in and everything settles down and guys gets back to about as much amount of the claim but Yeah it might might just make make it soft or if you like because They're they're not at the moment Now you've got You got seek the peak in fact in today and I'm not I'm not GonNa let you go anywhere without an extravagant kid mentioned. Extravagant kid entered for Friday An old favorite of ours What about Seek the peak today though the main track today Steve. So is it going to happen but I? I put him back in This morning short as it to ex- on On Friday I think it is So He's gone. He's going to run in gas And he's a lovely also. I love that horse is the Nice Horse that I think is going to to progress as time goes along. He's just in need need kind of late developing or by Carlin of course which is pretty typical of Dan so looking forward to that and extravagant. Kate is doing Doing grace a little bit of a hey culprit Attempted Alasdair keep he got struck into behind Going into the first time ever of flying. He didn't actually come out of the race by but I think you got it kind of. I don't know if knocked them off. Balance on the ground to ground. Was that fast that were going that fast teachers couldn't get back into ray so you know we would everything. The went down we. We managed to get a little time to to get back on track and freshman backup and seems like he's He's back to him as well as really game so he emailed style had a bad with that horse. So he'll he'll go along and of course it's probably going to be a monster of the race again like like all the others but You know he'd he'd be capable. Endeared actually give us a US go to counter themselves enormity of SOC- There are about let me let me hit you with a couple of other Updates that Some of the other barn favorites and haven't seen the G. Work back since that Cutler Bay And you know after after having after having one earlier in the winter in the Palm Beach and see okay. He's fine we. We had a minor setback with him That kind of you know we were just about to start them. Back working towards the The three ways of at Churchill and we'd a minor setback there. We just give them a little more time because you know. He had to Copeland's spring to derive major Hollywood but he's back Undergo here before too long He's start back working so we're probably looking at You know early July. It should back on track. He doesn't take much work. Steve so Nice from finished with him. Yeah well and also from that same from that same weekend at Gulfstream Lasson Yara who won And She just worked over the weekend or on Friday. She did And I put her in today as well as the For the mid June that Churchill on Saturday Nice Nice something ends of as well so I think that's GONNA come up with very very tough spot as well as a lot of Nice phillies Going in there. But she ran both of them really really quick. Break stay You know lassic marriage. She she looks like she can be competitive in any company and fellow. Kita straight to. She got stop the Viking time in the race. So I don't I don't think there's a whole lot between the two two dame so wherever one ends up on too far away. I mentioned to other Runners my are. We have a partner In our horses Dave Brown and he's Gung Ho he's part of the pocket aces people and they were so excited. He was beside himself with Temple City terrors win opening weekend. Yeah no it was great Delighted they're really great people You know just a gang of them And they follow her unbelievable the following up. I don't know that you know she. She was a number of the goes through in fact the entire track which you know. Someone's been over down there. Some of them don't churches of the belt but she you know we're our back a church last week very similar zone to To Watch what last song When she broke her maiden Very similar grounds Sam track. She seems to really shows was quite impressive. Actually does I think she's GonNa be nice and I'm sitting to. She met yours and going forward. I also want to Talk about The horse of yours that that Maryland Bred gelding where Paradise Lay when that was uh that was A Nice Nice little hand You know we we we he. American obviously so and I'm reclaimed data in mind and Of course is one of them. Days that ever England right to try came up sloppy which one on the south the we came to manage to go out and get the job done for for the most part on during the Barnes so So that was good. Always always nice when you when you send one out that Yawn and you come back a winner. Well the did things GotTa be everybody at to be sky in In the bar on Saturday night after bringing a Max deal back and and putting him squarely into the you know into the scene and plenty more to go might be Belmont then whatever. It is For him that's next best wishes and safe and will undoubtedly talks oat bran credit to my whole team Maxium everybody's putting a big effort. There was very disappointing last year when he didn't get to ruin at the Breeders Cup and of course we had vitality cyber love the same weekend so tough on everybody but I have to think to people. I could also known as well you know. They've been fantastic You know Jimmy Dale Dan. Pride and everybody you know you need. You need everybody to get behind you when you're going to to to do something like like we're doing with next in everybody's been Been Grayson and putting a huge effort so You know to say thanks to everybody involved. Because it's it's not it's it's it's the whole team just just. My name is on top of it. Well it It certainly certainly comes from the directions. Come from you and and having everybody on the same page and especially when it comes to high profile horse and you know making the decisions and and I guess we'll come full circle to content of the word confidence that I brought up early If they're confident and you there you know you're confident in your people in the horse and it all distills into performance and Max `field performs I thought Really brilliantly and this right where WANNA be It's an unusual year and take advantage by continuing to prepare him toward the first classic and Ju- and the other the other classics in September and October. It's it's just so crazy. Brendan so much while it on August. My Pleasure Thank Brandon Walsh. And you follow Brendan on Twitter Bryan B. R. E. N. B. Walsh and will stay right here because Greg motion is standing by and they a Graham had a different kind of a layoff situation. Here was here was Brendan. Who had about is frustrating trip to a breeders cup as as a horseman could possibly have. And then there's Graham Ocean who went to Breeders Cup with sharing and wins the juvenile filly turf at brings her back and she picks up where she left off. Congratulations Graham Ocean. Thanks for having me I gotta ask you the same introductory question that that we brought up of course Just now with with Brendan two hundred and four days between starts preparing for a spot Talk about getting sharing ready for Saturday. Yeah I mean credits brandon. Because I think it's a lot tougher to get a horse ready to run like that on the dirt and it is on the turf. I think the host is get over the a little easier so you don't have to be quite as fit but you know we really weren't of schedule with her best case scenario would have run preakness weekend in the hilltop. That was kind of a plan. We didn't in Florida so She makes me look good relate. She does everything. She's very straightforward. She's very classy. She's very talented. And this things have Kinda gone like clockwork since you came up from Florida and go back to so many people were I want to say flummoxed the that because that's not accurate but so many people had to readjust their plans and it just was remarkable on Saturday watching four straight stake winners off of extended layoffs and they were running into horses that that were informed and horses that had recency and so the assignment is made a little bit tougher. And then Graham you also fold in the fact that that these races invariably are all coming up with full fields. I mean everybody's been waiting to run and so the demand for a spot in the gate is at a premium that adds to the complexity to something to be said for full fields and Unless racing right because the racing. Sally was fantastic. I mean just to sit down and watch. Saturday's racing was was fun. You know not just seeing my own. Host is run but to see all the people that was it was really rate. You come back here and of course many Franco is going to turn up. Wherever wherever you enter this philly and you talk about how how easy it is to to deal with her. She has a way of of just being in the race. And you can tell that manny has got great confidence too because If he's got a if he's gotTa lose some ground to have position with her he he's not afraid to do it. I mean you talk about the trip on Saturday. I talk a little bit Saturday morning. I really didn't want to give him in -struction but we just talked about you know hoping to have the trip. We had in the Breeders Cup. She's a Philly. That can sit pretty handy in a race. So there was no real reason to do anything different And she got in the perfect spot He maybe little race riding cut. Mike Stems Philly. Tuck in a longer and they would like to have been with a credit to manny. Luggy like you say. He's got a lot of confidence in the Philly and I really didn't. I tried not to interfere too much. I really leave it up to him. Well and then of course. There's there's the key to all of this and that's that's Aaron Wellman and errands contribution Let's let's figure out something to that. Aaron did here. Yeah I mean Look Erin and I have a great Aaron Anthony and I will talk the Philly and and You know that definitely makes things a lot easier when you have peaceful to you know to bounce ideas off you know. I don't always feel like I have necessarily the right idea. Sometimes it's good to get another perspective but you know I think between us we've made good decisions with Cillian. Paid off the schedule really the same kind of topic I I just had with Brendan. I mean the schedules are kind of a skew. And everybody's reshuffling the deck A talk about the upcoming summer with her. And you know what you WANNA do distance wise. If there's going to be any you know any tinkering or any experimentation. How does the middle part of the year? Look to you with her. Brendan going because I missed that He he is going to wait and see but I I should like he. He didn't commit but I will say that he's he sure seemed he sure seemed interested or or focused more on the Belmont than anything else. That's great well that'd be good right. I mean we have. We have limited options with this Philly I think it's called. The wonder again comes at Belmont on Day. Which would be a similar race to what she just ran in going a mile. I think a mile is possibly a really good trip for her. I don't know how far she's going to want to go. I mean obviously amendment amount and quarter but this philly seems to have a little bit more natural speed. I guess I don't know how far she wants to go at this point. So we're a little restricted. We're going to look into ask her. I think Wesley still sending some horses. So I made some sort of initial inquiries. I didn't WanNa do it before the race. That seemed unrealistic But now that she's one and the coronation moved to the Saturday of Aska which would give her exactly a month so I do think it's something we're GonNa look into but it's going to have to work out well. The arrangements left work out. Well human and equine are they. What's the latest Graham in terms of accepting International Shipman's because there there was? I know that the early part of these of these reopenings were were excluding international ships. What I'm understanding is American host is will be accepted but I also think that the government going to make the final decision on June for. So I think everything's a little bit up in the air until that that moment So they're sort of dealing with similar situations that we're dealing with here in this country. Mary good all right Because we'll we'll we'll see. I the ask story. Actually I'll we'll get nick luck this week They really they really kind of revamp things. They added some races and they moved schedule around. That you know it's been so traditional so we'll we'll we'll get to that this week. Let's also talk a little bit about The Nice Start Graham Hall at this Churchill? Meet and you got about as Raider ride from John Velazquez as anybody's ever GONNA see That that win by Mallika was something to behold. That was a really exciting race. Yeah I mean. Look so lucky to get johnny on any of these It was very gratifying to win with that Philly. She was coming up a long break. It's gotta find to win with any of these courses at the moment. I mean every time you in any race it feels like a steak racist because we've been so limited opportunities so but I think especially with these horses coming off layoff you hate to waste race so Look these wins. Were very gratifying. And it's just great to be racing at Churchill beautiful turf course very serious money on the great conditions that It really makes you appreciate what we haven't had the last couple of months. Give us a. This is a five year old Give us a little bit a little bit more about about Mallika look. She hasn't done a lot wrong. I think we found out last year. Miles really her trip. This is what she wants to do. But she's stakes caliber We'll definitely look for steak for her next star. I think she was really unlucky. The first time we ran over here keeneland. I felt as bad as good as any horse that ran for me. And if I was a betting man I would have gone to the windows and we got beat by the Mason Jar. Filial Brad Cox is his name. I can't remember but I was. I couldn't believe she got beat that day because I thought there was no way she gets beat and all. I think Brad is going on in one thousand Pretty Nice racism and that was that was the allowance. that Juliet Juliet doors at sounds. Right Juliet Foxtrot at Foxtrot. That's the one in fact time in this country. You never know what you're up again I. It's funny it's funny that her name comes up because last week. When Brad was on as I was wrapping up with Brad I got a I got a facebook message or a tweet from somebody asking specifically about. Ask Him about Juliet Foxtrot. So that's the that's the second time in onto Mondays at a row that she's come up. Graham the that hetty allowance race earlier on the card on Saturday. We should ask about because English be was out posted and it was going to have to work out a trip Just Howard it always seems to you know. Give a good account They ran fourth and fifth in there any any thoughts. I was a little disappointed with English. Be but in fairness to him. I hadn't really planned to run him But again we're just we're offering on such a small schedule we're so limited we have so such limited options that I decided it was. He needed to go Just Howard I thought he had a really tough trip. You Know Joel. Never ridden him before. He wants to be a little keen early. That horse especially off the layoff. I mean that. Who's been ready to run since the beginning of March He really has been. He's been affected by the schedule as much as any horse. I have probably so. I was frustrated with his race just because he seemed to have such excess trip. And I don't think it was. Well it's just the way things panned out and he was Klein late. I think with a better trips. He's right there couple of their notes. I want to ask you about that maiden winter that Some people I know. We're thrilled that. They got the price they got on. Cat's pajamas. Yeah I'm not a betting man like but I did have a little bet on how she'd trained really well gone everything right. I couldn't believe that prize. I need. She'd been a pro. I knew she'd be a price and I told a couple of people but I didn't think you'd be that kind of price. I think they ended up betting on Chad. Sports strong so But she's a Philly that it just done. Well here on the Peter so we really pretty strongly she was going to be a different wholesome. Mcgrath and got a moderate FIG but Just kind of pluck along with some allowance. Or does she come back? Come back in allowance if we can. I know there's one at fell months and months from her last Against three year olds so if she's doing okay. We'll do that. I think she's a nice philly. She's worked but you know several good horses here Kinda mix it up with her and she's handled most everybody in the morning. So I think these an grandma ask you about Horseshoe ran at Gulfstream as well York In the barn for chiefs would is that a is that a full-time or was that something like a placeholder until woodbine. It was a little bit of both but They really want to get American black type here. That was that was the idea. So okay you know. Hopefully we'll find a nice black type in probably at Belmont. I thought he ran really took about a tough allowance rates. That was strong right. Yeah he's A. He's a cool horse and talked to Stuart Simon. About him several times and Is He is. He been moved up to fail yes. He's up hill and he's had one breeze I kinda gave them a little bit of time. I thought he ran really hard the other day. So we before we praise him You Know I. I don't WANNA running back in too much of a hurry. It was very hot day that they go through right now. I would when he when he turned up in your barn under your name I I. I was mildly surprised because certainly You know He's he's built nice record Certainly You know certainly with Stewart. What what's next? What are we going to see Nin Mary? So we'll point have for the Neo York handicap which is now at the end of June throwing him on the court. Okay good she's doing well. She's been breathing with secret. Message here the last couple of weeks and she'll run the stake race at Churchill this weekend secret message in Banco will nice excellent Any other anybody else. We're not That's not coming to mind right away. Who else who else is going to turn up in a in a steak spot. Probably most of what I have to the stakes race. I think that philly rates is going to be very tough on Saturday at church. So it's going to be more like a group to group one Another good betting race. But no that's all I I have. I have an affiliate who's going to run on Sunday in allowance race. Who's the first time time? Us philly called KRYSTAL cliffs. Who's been training pretty? Well she'll be in a first level trade again get to your phillies. And that's about all I have said so weekend all right. What about the majestic reason out of the Barbara Fritschi Jesse reason we ended up retiring? Unfortunately just with the a bracing They decided to breed. Which is something we've talked about at the beginning of the year. But she doing so well. We KEPT IN TRAINING WITH THEM. When when all this happened They made a decision retire and actually read it to our school. Cry which will be interesting. How about Teresa Rieger is also been retired? They were victims of victims of the of the brain can racing. The owners just felt that they needed all the marriage and felt that they needed to to move with the uncertainty of racing at the time is do you think. Tariq is going to stay in this country. No she'll go to Japan she will. Well listen here's the upside. The Room in the barn from for two year olds. That's all. Yeah look exciting time of year. It's great in. We've got a couple that are getting fairly close couple for Isabel so hopefully Once racing once once more opportunities we'll have some runners Graham I appreciate The visit and off to a very nice start at Churchill and plenty more to come obviously and Sharing the Breeders Cup juvenile. Filly TURF winner starts back successfully. A win in the tappin and Graham with loom undoubtedly talk. Soon I don't know when I'm going to see you. I don't know where you're going to turn up at a racetrack. I or I guess Belmont probably be. We'll probably be a Belmont few few times. I think we're GONNA go down. Yeah that'd be fine.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 10/5/20--Preakness Recap

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 10/5/20--Preakness Recap

"Narrow. Maximum security has been defeated. For. This is the Jason Beam horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires, your daily home, for Horse Racing News Interviews, wagering discussions, and more. Here's your host Jason Be. Our out of a good Monday morning, I'll welcome in the Jason Beam horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. The HR tes. Happy to be with you here on this Monday October, the fifth and lots. To talk about I mean. A Lot. was busy weekend. Saturday was I went to our local off track betting site here. And I sat in the corner. Away from everybody. They're they're they're pretty good about keeping everybody Kinda socially distanced and they got you know spray bottles for the machines and the lady goes by, does it all the time and all that kind of stuff but? I still like to sit in the corner booth than the boots are kind of closed in with extra reinforcements. You feel pretty safe sitting there and your mask watching the the racist, but it was nice because I mean, you know normally I sit at home and watch the races on twin spires and I have no problem with Amanda there was action coming every. Second seem like on Saturday between preakness between keeneland between Belmont between really maybe the most important was opening day at Gulfstream Park West Coast Premiere Boutique Meet I actually did watch all of the races from GP GP. W I? I've said it before I'm very emotionally tied to Gulfstream Park. West it's a very special place for me. And I actually just like the racing there I think it's a little quirky. It was definitely very, very good to be on the rail at Gulfstream Park West on Saturday and particularly on the leading on the radio but the rail itself was was very, very good lots of even the horses that weren't winning the ones that were coming up the inside seemed to be rallying better and that was kind the case there year. Remember you know it's it's a two month meet it's October November essentially and I remember Pete telling me 'cause last year he called October I called November and he told me said man it's just been speed speed speed here and then when I got there it was you could win from off and you can win outside there's a couple of days both expresses or a boat expresses win in particularly when I thought about that was that day was pretty good to be on the rail but. It's for me. It's a fun me to watch. It was rainy all weekend there. So off the turf, but the turf racing, I think you can find some really really good prices there when the rails out speed becomes really deadly in like the five eight turf races and even the to turn racists but keep an eye out at GP, w some good little cards and. It's a it's a five day week thing to. So you get plenty of racing action I. Don't know if I'm going down there and it's not looking good I. think they want they're hoping somebody local with covert and everything. So but I'm still pressuring I'm pressuring Peterson Pete, you gotTa let me come down to do last couple of weeks. I'll leave right from grand pass. We'll see we'll see what happens pizza pizza pizza was trying for me I gotta give him that. Anyways, let's obviously start with the biggest race of the weekend, the the preakness stakes and. As I said all week leading up to the show I thought it was a very interesting race and story lines, but also from a pair of mutual standpoint. I. Think. A lot of horses you could make cases for this course clear long shots. I was big Mr Big news fan coming into the race certainly respected art collector and authentic who were going to be the top couple. Swiss skydiver thousand words. They were kind of the the logical that I was going to be tossing and You know I thought maybe hey, seuss's team and pneumatic were we're somewhat live longshot prices but. I thought a really interesting preakness given the fact that there's no triple crown on the line given the fact that it's in October given the fact there's GonNa be no crowd there. It's all. You know there was there was a lot of interesting things I thought that presented for the preakness stakes and. You know the early betting on Friday it just goes to show you how insignificant the early betting because like art collector was a huge favourite like four to five or something, and I'm like, wow, that's and then like an hour after they opened the pools on Saturday, it was like authentic was. Seven to five or whatever it was and then The ARC, Lecter was back up to five two, two to one and everything kind of made a little more sense. Once there was actually some money in the pools, but final odds is settling in at three to two authentic your your favorite just under five to two two dollars, forty cents for art collector clear. Second Choice you go up two thousand words at seven to one, and then a couple of horses eleven once was skydiver and pneumatic. Obviously, we everybody we're kind of all expecting pneumatic to take a little bit of money and. You know that's one of the things I like about talking to different people leading up to a race. As you start, you start getting a sense of of who likes you know who likes who and you know. Obviously it's a small sample size but like when we just kept hearing that everybody was liking pneumatic as a long shot possibility myself included by the way. We knew we weren't going to get the price the morning line it suggested. So he ended up going down to eleven to one on one, thousand, nine, hundred, one on new. York traffic thought some people were thinking. He was going to be a potential player in here Max, Player at eleven to one zero one. Mr Big news which I was happy with that price. Let's take a listen back the great Dave Rodman with the call of the preakness stakes and. They're often preakness. Forty five already solid beginning there and thousand words for the early lead authentic alongside their the outside and next is Swiss skydiver that filial take back a little bit and art collector also bit reserved early going and it's pneumatic on the outside within two links of the lipase live. Your Bee's life is next in his team in New York traffic follow by Max a player and Mr. Big news has one beaten into the first turn that is accession who is eleventh and last and about a dozen, maybe thirteen lengths. Off The pace was seven days ago that set by thousand words with authentic alongside baffert runners one two pneumatic racing, and third that opening quarter very reasonable twenty four, two fifths of a second art collectors placed in between horses for the run down the backstretch. Now, affiliates skydiver and she is fifth in three links as authentic as taken the lead away just a half link now from thousand words, and secondly outside is nomadic and third and now Swiss skydiver she's slicing through between horses to join the pace now here's. Forty seven and three half mile heading into the far turn, and here is Swiss skydiver testing authentic. Now, their head to head while the lead pneumatic is in third New York traffic art collector ridden along the inside art collector for new. York traffic is in fifth thousand words drops back hey. Mr Big news still with plenty to do Max player live your life accession trails the field six minute eleven and one fifth of a second what a quarter to go at McCowan affiliate away Swiss skydiver authentic the Derby winner alongside their set for a battle Baltimore and all the inside Swiss skydiver on the outside authentic joining going left-handed Swi- skydiver suicide our at for a long left ago. Swiss. Skydiver looking to make preakness history another filly bounding toward the sixty poll. Here's authentic on the outside and Surrey Nicole headed headed knows those Swiss And Raby Alvarado, they've done it from off Finnick another seven lengths back and it was Hayes. Yeah. Absolutely scintillating stretch run. The minute the race was over. Hey, I had a big smile on my face I thought it was just a great race and I thought you know turn it for her I had dismissed Swiss skydivers, chances There was a number of reasons which will talk about You know I think we always want to after after are wrong. We always kind of want analyze them right and maybe look at why are we decided on those maybe why they're wrong and sometimes when they're on, you just gotTa say, Hey, I still think I made the right decision in this particular case. And I don't necessarily feel that I didn't you know but we'll get there. So when they turned for home obviously, you could tell she was. going. To be in contention because the START I don't think. To, me the interesting thing that was was going to be happening with. So skydiver before the race was the post position, right? She's kind of between two horses that have pretty good early lick and. They elected to let the five horse, go thousand words and the other baffert authentic obviously came up from the outside and they went into that. I turn it was like Baffert Baffert head head neck and neck and I saw baffert made a quote about you know they went a little fast You know the second quarter certainly was a little bit speedier. Which is Given, the fact that the second quarter is run primarily on the turn in fact, almost all on the turn I thought that was pretty interesting that they they definitely sped it up a little bit a for that second quarter as those two Kinda hadn't had and when they settled on the backstretch authentic kind of started to. Inch away as the they made their way down the Baxter's thousand words was done at the the half-mile pole. Being pushed along by by floors ruin just not responding at all, and of course, the minute that thousand words starts to back up. Robbie Alvarado makes the move that everybody was talking about where he kind I mean if you watch like he goes up fills that whole like right when thousand words leaves it open and I saw some tweets the next day I. Think it was Lane Lousy the Jackie you said, you know Robbie makes this moving off he gets beatty's he's everybody's GonNa you know punish him and. Responses public response how we respond to our our bets or how we respond anything it's of course, very results driven right and that's true. I've seen but from an objective standpoint. I think I think people will appreciate the move even if authentic gets the nose down and winds, I think it was well time I think it was smart. I. Think in General Getting Your horse into the race is a good thing particularly out of course that maybe wasn't great for off the pace types and we'll talk about that more as we go I don't I don't think it was. It seemed like it was a little more stronger inside speed. On Friday than it may be was Saturday although Saturday it was still pretty decent to be close but anyways. So, he gets the Hudson position. You know and then him and authentic put on this him and hit being Robbie, into a skydiver they put on the just incredible stretch battle and I remember John Velazquez had been quoted as saying you know Baffert said that the horse you know you have to go left handed with the horse and Johnny said well left-handed hand and I didn't know that was the case But You could see that even though Johnny was on the horses on Swiss Sky Outside and there's obviously less room for his left hand to work. He was pretty stoutly going the left hand and tell the final sixteenth and he switched it up. There was a split second at the Sixteenth Pole where I thought authentic was going to wear down Swiss skydiver and. She just continually dug in. She had her face kind of tilted towards her opponent and. It was just it the minute they hit the wire I thought out to myself and I said it out loud like that was an instant classic for the preakness like it really was a memorable stretch battle and now you know twenty, four, forty, eight hours out I. Don't feel any different on that like I think it was a really memorable edition of this race there's some years. PREAKNESS is always. You know it's part of its cachet always the Derby winner trying to launch itself for a chance at the triple crown in Mont.. And this was obviously very different year and a very different circumstance. But from a purely race perspective and oddly enough Robbie Alvarado was a part of this. You think, of course, street sense and Kirwin as one of the other really memorable preakness. Stretch runs in recent years I'll have another body meister was very good one. Shackelford animal kingdom running at him late but there's also been a lot of practices where you know the Derby winner took off last year with war of will to me wasn't all that memorable of of a race but I have a feeling. This is going to be one of those ones that that sticks for a while and a lot of that is, of course, the circumstances are philly beating the boys. It's. Six time it's ever happened. Rachel Alexandra's preakness is one that is so often talked about and part of that is because it was Philippe eating the boys. Part of it is the the campaign that this horse has been on and I think this is where a lot of dismissals came from for Swiss skydivers chances by the way including for me you know we're not used to seeing horses. Muster up you know nine race campaigns. Through. The first nine months of the year. We're just not for the top top level where used to now seeing more of them as five. I sometimes four but five, six, seven race kind of campaigns and so the fact and plus the fact that she was coming off a loss in a race that. I thought it looked like she had pretty much. Fair chance to to. And beat that horse She dares the devil in the oaks and just didn't know she didn't get maybe the trip she was kinda covered up a whole lot but I thought overall. She was given a good chance just didn't didn't win. And so that was some of the reasons why I had Kinda dismissed the Horse's chances but. I mean Kenny mcpeek never wavered on his confidence with the Horse. He's repeatedly said, and this has been interesting to learn is just somebody who's not you know horseman of any kind for sure is her eating habits. He seems to mention those a lot when asked about this horse and and Kinda the campaign I I heard him talk about it after the Alabama. he just said you know horses will tell you when they're not really doing great because they won't. They won't necessarily eat up or much or whatever, and he said the sources never left I, think the quote was never left a note in the bucket. And so. And somebody somebody tweeted on on Saturday about how you know Kenny's kind of doing what Dwayne did for a long time and of still does. When he has a horse that's going well, you know run them instead of just letting them sit in the barn and kind of pacing out and Kenny. Talk about that in the Post Race Interview with Joaquin Hymie. TV, that you know hey, when I got a good horse going I'm going to. You know keep keep runner and they talked about whether or not. This was going to be A. You, know a British because this is a Breeders Cup classic winning your end. So they and they already have the one for the distaff because of winning the Alabama. So Did. Not Rule out the chance of going in the classic I. I would think they would give you know some some serious thought to it. It's not a year where. You know the top end ones I don't think that Great Tom's Day. Ta and and others are very, very good but I, don't know that there. You Know I. Don't know that far ahead of us with skydiver interestingly enough I think also said that you know Tis the law would come to the preakness. He probably would have passed on it and You know I I can't. I can't say enough credit I think Kenny deserves this horse I mean, obviously you know. Very, modest price by you know horse racing standard thirty, five thousand dollars out of the daredevils and is now gone on to make over one point. I. Think Almost one point eight, million dollars. And so and then you know the writer thing was was certainly a question. I think a lot of people had and I did too like I said on the show like you know Robbie Barada I just it's not a name. I've heard very much lately you know including. You know. I. Just I didn't know he was he was where he was actively writing I said on. Friday, show like he's been at Indiana grant and we're actually going to Rob Agent Rob Rock O'Connor on the show tomorrow. To to talk a little bit about you know working with Robbie and getting this win and all that kind of stuff but. I mean you know Robbie, you look back at his career and it's like you know he was racking up the ten million dollar earnings each year for you know a good decade or so including curling who who made ten million dollars on his own You know obviously a a writer worthy of at least he's been voted on for the hall of fame I don't I don't think he's gotten in yet but the last couple years. It's not like he's completely vanished. I? mean he's still had. One hundred some. A million in earnings the last couple years but you know businesses certainly slowed he's had some injuries. Of course, he had legal issues, domestic violence charges. I. Mean All these things kind of going on over the last ten years or so and it it's kind of lead to this this dip in his career in that was I think one of the stories a lot of people were talking about after the race and. You know because of the the trust, the legal issues and stuff people are GonNa always bring that up and that's just going to be part of his story kind of no matter where he goes in what he does that's just kind of how those things work. So it's going to be interesting to follow it. I want to ask Rocco about that on tomorrow show like you know, is this going to be the? You know the kind of the re catapult because. It was it was a sensational right. I don't think anybody can dispute that and and you know I'm curious to see kind of Robbie's path after obviously what's a very big individual success and do they keep them out I? Mean I want to ask Rocco that too because A lot of times the the mouth thing like you're you're really never guaranteed amount like I have never I haven't heard a whole lot about contracts for jockeys. A lot of it is handshake kind of stuff and it's all based on relationships and you know this is a particular horse who? During this nine race campaign that we're talking about. Had six jockeys. You know her her first start of the year. It was Alonzo Keno is writing at a Tampa back in January. And then Brian Hernandez in the Rachel Alexandra Palko in that breakout win in the Gulfstream Park Brian Hernandez again in the fantasy then you get Mike Smith for the sanity to Oakland and Mike flies over the bluegrass then might can't travel. So gasoline gets them out back because he actually rode the Horse I two career starts, and then he makes another commitment at keeneland and so now Robbie gets on board now does does Robert Keep it? Was it known that it was just a you know hero a one off we will ass Rocco about that tomorrow show but You know a lot of lot of angles, lot of storylines and You know for someone whose job is to be a talk show host I mean that's what I root for right team content. Authentic I kind of thought a lot about what does this race? What did this race do frame because by the way they were wake clear everybody else I think the buyer came back one, zero, five or one of six. Obviously it's going to be the same for each of them if there's only a whisker separate him. And they were ten lengths ahead of everybody else. Hey SEUSS's team up for third. And Art collector just headed out for a for fourth art collector, Catamaran, an even race right other than the other two kind of pulling ahead of him that last little bit of me just kind of stayed tucked in that same little spot and just flattened out a little bit down the stretch of I'm curious to see. What the next plan I mean, I have to think for him they're thinking classic but maybe not maybe the the do something else I don't think it was a terrible run from him in in. You know maybe he just kind of wasn't up to me I thought authentic actually ran good. I guess when I get back to to him. You know he just got literally outgunned. There was a point at the sixteenth pole where I thought. Authentic was GONNA win there was a couple of different points in that race where I thought authentic who's going to win. There was a couple of where I thought skydiver was GonNa win and then at the end obviously she just kept her head out in front and Max Player I thought it was very interesting that ny traffic actually lugged out into Max player. It was a little little. Little Paco Revenge I. Guess of some sort mister big news. You know he just didn't fire. He started to launch his move and and just didn't have nearly the same kick that he had in Kentucky. I mean it was certainly just a I think a little bit of a bounce effort and. Thousand words I think completely empty New York traffic. Kind of you know he he stumbled and had lucked out there but. Again a horse who wants to be closer up and just didn't fire and then pneumatic I think maybe the biggest disappointment of the race live your life I mean we were kind of expecting that wanted to be a long shot. And so to finish last is not a shock but. Pneumatic you know. Kind of loomed up to where he looked like he was going to be part of that stretch battle and the next thing you know he's out of it and he had nothing down the stretch. So you know I think we we learned a lot as we always do race and we saw you know. Eleven to one and so this is another thing to think about with with skydiver. You know as I was dismissing her chances last week and a lot of people were dismissing her chances. You know we were doing. So with a six to one morning line on the page, and of course, we're all. We're all subject to You know create what our own value lines where we think the prices are going to be in where we would be interested in the Horse in etc.. eleven to one almost twelve to one. It's with skydiver. Does that make it a little bit of a different proposition in your head I mean certainly of course it all we all now think it does but did her price change it for you at all I'll admit I. This a very poor job of mine in terms of. I just written her off and I talked about this when I did some horse player chat couple of days ago. I'm very guilty of this I I ride a horse off. And then I, don't actually you know revisit horse given its actual price. And and I think that that is a glaring weakness in my game. Of you know, no, no Swiss Guide Irena. She's all right. But then but I in my head I had written her off where I think as as a true horse player you don't want to be doing that especially when the price you're being offered becomes maybe a lot better than you thought it was going to be you have to be Nimble. I was not nimble when it comes to skydiver and again I know that's result-oriented looking back but I think it psychologically I never gave the horse another look even though I was getting double the price that the morning line had suggested. You know and I know we talk about morning lines or just one person's opinion, etc but. I didn't think doors was go off twelfth. All Week Long I would have said probably six or seven or eight to one so. anyways, let's i. mean there's so much talk about here like I said, we'll probably get half of what we wanted to talk about in terms of the weekend we'll get the PIMLICO car and we'll try to get to maybe some of the the keeneland card, but there's just so much talk about it and I could talk about the preakness for another half hour. So we'll. We'll certainly do a little bit weak and recapping on tomorrow show as well as I mentioned Iraq O'Connor Arabia Dorados GonNa, join us tomorrow very excited for guest Wednesday, Tom Quigley GonNa join us. Quigley's corner We've never had tom on the show. So looking forward to talking with him and then a horse player Thursday Doug Bene-, handicapper horse player follow on social media. You know he's had some big pops this year he's always got some interesting thoughts on the racist. So we'll look forward to Pekin ducks brain a little bit on Thursday show and we'll get the preakness reaction that every kind of reaction from the jury boys on. Friday. So short time out and we will continue on the weekend recap addition of the Jason Beam horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Twin spires not only offers the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device, but we also have great offers for our players. visit twin spires dot com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick four bonuses to win Sheri- thoroughbred to harness. We have our present promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers to find out what offers are available to you. 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Marissa who stopped the pace early of Mizzen bow and was able to repel the late late challenge Bonnie South I kind of liked hopeful growth in this spot and. About the five sixteen poll, I was feeling pretty good about my selection because the top to Kinda. been doing battle and they went pretty honest forty, six and three in ten and three but Miss Mercer Kinda re broke again well, not re broke but just kind of had pulled away from that one, and then all of a sudden body south who got pinched at the start was very, very wide for home still just missed by neck it was a it was a jockey complainer special because a lot folks were not thrilled with fluorides effort This was one of those ones where. I. Didn't you know I got that the horse was short price why the Horse was your price? And etc.. Thought the Horse was was maybe a go against. And the result was proven right. But I think many would argue and I would accept the argument that. Ponti. South might have been. Best Horse in the race. And my response to that would be. You know that could very well be true and when you bet on four to five shots. This is part of why it's so tough to make money with with chocolate that because things can go wrong. They might not. They might not be the best horse in the race but even when they are the best horse in the race, things can go wrong to get you beat and to win you know a given grade two horse race like this with a horse. That's you know not like some great one superstar. It's just can't imagine. It's ever going to be a fifty fifty proposition for a horse like that but you never know my my horse jury Marie who I love. You guys always know I talk about Marie. She pitched battled away and finished a respectable fifth place in the The. Black eyed Susan she's come a long way. It was just a year ago. She was breaking her maiden for twenty thousand. Now look at her. But those those top two certainly the better of the the group and Bonk south. You could definitely argue the best of the group after not. So great of trip I'm always fascinated by the. The thought that. Okay we know that if things would have went better for Bonnie South early and to some degree late. very well could have won but doesn't the horse run a different race if it's closer up I mean isn't it forced to go a little faster Leon maybe it runs into some kind of other traffic trouble. I always like to think about that with deep closers who come running late like. Because the prevailing thought is Oh, if they were just closer, they would've won and I just don't know if that's always true because I mean to some degree that's the entire. Premise behind closing sprinter stretching out like people think more distance equals more time to close whereas when the horses had to run. You know that extra quarter of a mile before the real running starts sometimes the kicks not as as potent. So I don't know if. Body south like I said I if things went better may have won by five, but I always like to think about whether or not you know was did in some ways did the trouble almost flatter the finish? If you get what I'm saying. The James W Murphy. This was a thrilling photo-finish I thought watching live the bye-bye Melvina Johnny had gotten up to beat down one kitten in Louis, science but no, not so much. Not want putting a perfect spy by Gabe size. Pardon me not Luiz Gabriel. Donlon putting a perfect spot took the lead midway down the Baxter's pretended his own opened up and was able to hold on I always say I love when. Horses on the front end particularly grasp but also dirt. When they kind of opening up on the turn into the stretch in like play come and get me because. So often they don't in this particular case, I think by Melvin might have got done one kitten just before the wire just after one of those perfect ahead Bob's for for the the winner but Yeah I thought it was great right by Gabriel size Catman Danielson Tino score an upset for Mike. Maker. It seems like a big day cannot go by without maker and Cox and Chad Brown winning races they just they always seem to win on the UNDERCARD and maker at another Nice Day one of the most one of the favourite wins for a lot of the the local horseman and Maryland fans was Lico. Who scored a this was an exciting finish loci eastern, Bay, and nitrous Kinda. All three right across the track as they came to the wire and all three of them prices because Landis Gog, the favorite ended up running last. But I really dug in for karmanos trainer, Damon Dillard, Vico, Damon, son Sulaiman actually like works along with being a trainer who works in the TV department at Laurel and his son was the. Works at the TV Department Laura and he was actually the director. Of Our TV at colonial for the second half of last year the last three weeks of the meat. Very nice kit and I. Remember he came up to me he was he was just a nice gets I I was very happy to see his dad score. Nice. Win and Lacayo victorious in the Frank Jada Francis Memorial was a the differences dash always kind of a cool race on its own obviously A. Similar to the met my own recent years. It's now part of the the bigger day or at least this year it was but always always kind of race it used to be a standalone great one. If you remember right a factor, this victorious in the Dinner Party, which I believe used to be the Dixie, the you know just went to front never impeded and completely jogging around there. This was a very, very facile winter the turf was raided yielding. In that race which. You know it was rated yielding later on as well. But. it sure. Seemed like it was maybe not the easiest thing to do to make up a ton of ground on the grass on Saturday. At PIMLICO. So looking forward I WANNA look at those races and maybe see who kinda ran. A little bit flatfooted I thought him very was kind of that because they were real hot brown put in a little bit of a run and they were really pulling away from everybody. But I, think Henry might be a little bit of playback next time because I just don't think that he was loving whatever ground he was getting kind of lack of pace to I think his connections writer. Daniel Santana knew that he was going to have to be a little bit closer up given the fact that this was going to be so tough. So. That was one of the ones I thought might be a good comeback or wicked whisper scoring in the miss preakness stakes from off the pace another race where a big favourite Monday call one to to just never really fired for for Brad. Cox. COULD WHISPER FOR STEVE asmussen getting up to score their evil Lyn took the hilltop i. kind of like vigilantes wake is coming at Brenick colonial. So well to starts back but Evil Lyn got the jump and vigilant he's got going a little bit too late to pick it up the escape. Pat It was never enough time for Mike Tribeca and Julia MP mantell scoring that was. That was kind of if you remember that I made a really stupid. Statement Friday said I feel like it's going to be never enough time goes wire-to-wire or they go really crazy and by by j close in and I'm like, yeah. Well, no kidding dummy. Of course, if ever rates had two possible setups, you'd be right a lot. As it turned out never enough time went right to the front never looked back scored a nice win Julia. Fox. Trot who I said was one of the big favorites I thought was a go against completely geared down in one the gallery with remarkable ease. Nice call their Jason and fluffy socks kicked off the program Trevor. McCarthy. Chad. Brown. At six to one the other. Chad there was another. One that didn't run a jump but yeah, funday previous. I think I saw handled down about fifty percent which I think for the other triple crown races. It was it was kind of on par for what they've been down this year you know timing and. You, know tradition in a weird way are and obviously live of attendance are are proving to be an interesting factor of the triple crown series because we've seen handle at a lot of other tracks that is up significantly and some of that's due to lack of competition and obviously in the spring and early summer, it was due to lack of. You know there was no sports. So the there's just no sports to up but. You know the triple crown stuff seen these handles be way down in. Even from a buzz standpoint, I feel like there was just very little buzz outside of Racing I. It's hard for me to gauge outside of racing because I'm so. In racing in my little bubble of friends and work colleagues. I kind of just gauge it by weather. My friends ask me about not whether i. hear you know on. Newspaper reports sports reports when I'm not watching racing and I didn't hear any of it this year as far as the preakness I didn't have one friend anybody asked me whereas normally. Derby Day for Saturday. May I was here a few messages? Hey, who do you like? Did it today? You know and I I didn't get any of that this year so take that you know as what you will We do have a little bit of time here. So we can head over to keeneland talk about not only opening weekend but of course, see a huge stakes filled card and. The Saturday program Akilah couple of throughout the middle parts of the car and I was watching the the entire day of racing. There was the first time started name oncoming train that was a big twenty four to one upset winner and poor mattress mack. He had run happy in their for highly racing and stuff and horse took some money was better part of an entry but was back down to five to two but the other the other part of the entry scratched I think and so. That horse and The horse and the outside united and Resolute. They just went ding dog in the whole time. They were two of the favorites just battle and battle in the entire way around. Six Furlong race for two year old. So it's obviously you know it's not like it was A. Four and a half or a five or someone. You know a little bit elongated sprint for two year olds at this point. And sure, enough they both get just picked up in the last jump by twenty five one shot for trader James Veto. A. Thought I mean, it was just you could. It was one of the things where when they were at the eighth pole. You saw the six inching in but was like five or six lengths behind and you just I'm hand this is a hell of a battle and then slowly but surely up now now now now. GOING TO GET A. Lead stor very impressive scoring into the WOODFORD stakes He's. Put together a couple of really nice efforts at Keeneland and Louis. Size I made the argument in recent weeks that I think you know I think for me is the top writer in the country right now. Just put this horse. He's Kinda in between horses but he was going better than the one on his outside and next thing you know he was basically just right outside your leader pounce on that one able to hold off extravagant kid who's a very nice closing sprinter and just might for Michelle level who we had on the show a few weeks back finishing up in third but pretty form full addition of the the WOODFORD stakes. Now, the Urban Club of America stakes not so. In the minds of is, is that they say right in the minds of Biz. Upset winner for Cipriani contrary sippy contrary Martine Garcia. This was so interesting because lady's island kind of figured to be loan speed and you know had come dancing came and snagged her in the last couple jumps last time a pitcher Toga but. You know she kinda outgunned Palace Avenger and honestly gun in the minds Biz who I thought were kind of the two main speed rivals but then. In the minds of visit Martine Garcia just cruising on the outside and went by Lady's island like nothing like the five sixteenth like even before the quarter pole and then the next thing you know it was a couple of weeks in front came over on Pal Andrew who really battled pretty bravely in this race I think passive entity was never in a and I think a very comfortable spot and still still stayed on and then sneaking out ended up getting up for a second, just nipping outhouse venture but the inside the minds are in the minds of Biz. Gets a thirteen, two, one win. So a couple of upsets throughout the middle stages that card the first lady stakes Oh. Man This was interesting. newspaper. Record once again, bet down very short and again the. The the question I guess if there was one is the the turns for newspaper record. It proved to be a little bit of the undoing late last time as over call came and got but you know figure to have an easily and broke sharp and got the lead and the next thing you know here comes crystal lake the the D Wayne Lukas forty, two, one shot. Who off goes to? Lead now. I've always said that like. A. Horse whose speed depend. Obviously it's IT'S A. Are Being on the lead depending I guess obviously, it's a an issue. But use the entire point of horse racing from the actual racing side of it. You know really boiling it down to a singular point is to get from point a to point. B before everybody else. and. You know. I feel like when when I know that portions like newspaper record, they don't like to stock they don't to pass horses and stuff but when it's just that one long shot going way out there I just I don't think that it should take a horse that much out of their. Zone. The weirdest thing I thought was when newspaper came into the stretch instead of just going right by the horse went like three or four paths outside of Crystal Lake really cornered wide I don't know if that was intentional just. So maybe the horse doesn't like or have that passing here Oni was kept more in contention by Joel Rosario and I think that proved to be a a winning move in this particular race only. On her best day her stretch kick that I've is one of the better turf ilise stretch kicks. I've seen in recent years. I would say even more visually impressive than sister Charlie Charlie always seemed to kind of grind. I thought I think only is more of an explosive stretch kick again, that's just my own eyeball opinion. Joel Rosario though in an by the way ball recall who I thought kind of looked hopelessly beaten on the going on the turn because the others were you know she was going to come pass to pretty darn good horses She comes with a furious run again and I, she was a totally in an unwinnable spot. She was three lengths behind Dooney in midstretch and still got to within a length at did pass newspaper record You know again another one of those short. Type Horses. WHO It's just it's just so hard. You have to be right. So often, and it's just not going to be the case not only when he's by no means a big price in the spot but. You know newspaper of record to me. There's enough question marks short price I have one of course I mean she certainly was. Deserving a chance in there but again, it just a very short price against two horses including one that just beat her last time out one. Who you know on Best Day is really really good oni so. The Breeders Fraternity Brad Cox scoring with essential quality just stocked from off the pace favorite Doesn't really to say on this race again I was kind of preface that my two year old love of two euro racing is not all that exciting and You know I think 'cause you know race like the Breeders Cup juvenile now is going to come up and you know such a quality is going to be one of the ones that gets a fair bit of attention and there was a couple of big long shots at close from out almost more intrigued to think the race wasn't that good. But you know we certainly need to see as the as the weekend play out in next week, and of course, there's a lot more this coming we gotta stay a lot more big racist coming up the shadow turf mile the a feature on Saturday from keeneland. And this was a hell of a race attorney foot by this horse ever who Joe Talamo getting up to to win for Paulo logo. Just a really really nice kick. Got The jump on raging Boll and was able to win by a length We'll talk with with Rock O'Connor Tomorrow's Raby Alvarado's agent Jake Romans. His buddy is Joe Talamo now, and it was there is first grade one win as an agent he's obviously tale Romans son. Without parole finishing third I I've made I've been a big Bowie fan man he just doesn't seem to have the kick. So next time I will get off of him and he should win analyze it off that one comeback race was bet down to two one in the spot and I really didn't fire all just kind of between horses and never put up a good effort. The finale was a hell of a race to A. Edge Mont Road just nosed out tough love. If you had tough love, ed always talks about bet. Mitch get rich for Mitch, Merle. Man If you Bet Mitch and that one you took a sick beat because the horse had the nose down before and after but the edge mile road had it down at the right time for declan cannon and I got the win we will. Continue a little bit of a look back tomorrow we will talk some some Belmont Park as it was big day over there and We'll be welcome. We'll join Iraq O'Connor agent for Robbie Alvarado. We'll talk about Robbie's win in the preakness Aramco's career and more Tom Quigley. GonNa join us on Wednesday show looking forward to having quickly corn on the program and. Then the book Benton joining US Son Horse player Thursday. So Fun Week of shows coming up. You can always email me Jason Charles Beaming, G MAIL DOT COM heading up to a grants pass to announce the next couple of night. Be sure to tune in and watch. If you want to join good rain, we've got big full fields for the Monday card. It's I think it's We're our Max. Fields ten we have ten in the first six races seven in the stakes race, which has seven and then race eight it's only eight but aid is the Max we can do for six and a half furlongs sell. 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Part 3:Richard Migliore, Peter Milller

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Part 3:Richard Migliore, Peter Milller

"Raises, with, Steve. Raising in becoming meter views. This is. Steve. We're back our three ten minutes in which means you know ten minutes behind somehow which doesn't surprise me when you got these kinds of Monday's after. Big Weekends and Jimmy Ryerson just off with us where the case cases reaching for MiG. Now he's he's he's down there. He's at the sale so it might be a little little noisy but he should. Unless. He's right in the middle of Of bidding the case try one more time because we could always swap them. With Damon, if we have to. All right yeah. Try One more time to to make and it's funny I. I was GonNa say big if he was right there on the line. Was GonNA. Ask If if he wants them races over the years for for Jimmy Ryerson and it just so happens I'm looking at. The the champagne from nineteen ninety-five five. Where unbridled song. Really. Misfired. To put it you. He was fourth. and. He didn't go favorite actually. Yeah. Hennessy was the favourite. This was some this with some notable champagne. But it was it was Marie Osmond that that one that Champagne with Robbi Davis and for those of you that. Again, you wanna talk about a horseman that. People should be aware of Rick. Train Marie his mind. But I'm just looking at that chart and because I was Gonna ask me if he had ridden for for Jimmy but here he is. Here's Meg. Who actually finished right behind unbridled song. In, that champagne he was riding. Feather box. And Now there is there's big right now and Buckland time? How about that? But. Here's the here's the hook on this story. Tony Black finished ahead of both of you. Tony was Tony came to town on devils honor who was third in that champagne. That was Walter Restraint. Inside the box it angel transcended box by then. yes. Actually. Yeah, yeah, Angel trained for Buckland I wrote the Senate box feather is pretty good. He he was a better one runs furniture but he he? Wow You bring it up some days and always make me feel old when I come on. That's not how can you feel old when you're out there going on at twenty mile hikes the up but you know up in the catskills. I'm trying to outrun father I. Well you're you're you're you're in the catskills so often that you're going to be headlining at the early next week. But. Hey. Now, tip your servers. I'll be here all week literally. To. Cancel the hike this week 'cause I'm down the Simonian for the. With. No hike this week although there is a Negro Park not far from the hotel might have to go explore later. You know the between Tony. For, those that have never done this. Next year or you know in subsequent years when we get to visit. You know the revitalized Pimlico when the time comes and the Times not off. As we talked without informing the other day. But you literally. If, you go out rice town road from PIMLICO. From nights in about six minutes once you pass the the highway. You're out in the middle of the country you would not believe that your your. Fifteen minutes from you know from the city of Baltimore and it turns into countryside in about thirty seconds now. Funny I found that out I was exploring and it's amazing literally like you're you're not. Exaggerating five or six minutes, it goes from basically inner city to. Hunt country I mean I it's it's incredible. I I've discussed this with I've discussed this with Sean clancy because I got I got to go out I got to go out to earn Naylor's farm and. Several Murphy invited me out to the farm to see. To, see the spread and. I said, how far is it? Oh, he said it's you know it's fifteen minutes from. PIMLICO. Said what? What are you talking about fifteen minutes from PIMLICO and I should've I should've known because if you go up Hunt Valley and if you head Toward York Pennsylvania out of Baltimore it right away it's it's countryside but it is I mean it's the light full. It's it's one of the aspects of going to Baltimore between. Between, the harbour and and you know between the charms of the city in general and you know and and there's people listening who you know who seemed to only get their news from one network who who probably are saying well Baltimore's awful. You you go. Go Go see for yourself. About is a town, is there as we have yeah. Well, like I say a hotel off of Sean Road if you go out straight Xuan road. you've run into sagamore you're running tall big farms and there's a park over there i. think it's called Oregon rates got looks like it's just got nice trails and stuff I probably have to get up early tomorrow morning before I have to come back to the sales down to hit it up, it'll be done in the dark tonight but. Absolutely beautiful area and now I'm walking. By the grand the. Apron. Of. Racetrack and. I gotTa tell the search my valid for years in new. York. John Milano. What Jackie before he became a valid in Gallup's. Can still hold the all time record. At Simonian for most wins at me, he wrote eighty two winners in a forty eight here. About that. So how how great for a writer to have a former jockey who could ride obviously in your corner come back after race and you know I didn't like I did this for did that and talk to him about it John was I mean, obviously, he's a dear friend, my daughter's Godfather but. You know he was also an incredible resource for me. How about that? that? I'll have to ask Tony to well I'm sure Tony wrote against them. Absolutely. Absolutely I, think I'm to. John. was runner up for the eclipse award to baby. Tommy Wallace if I'm not mistaken. But yeah. No just a a fabulous writer of got to a point couldn't make the weight anymore but You know just a lifelong race a retired two years ago. So he had. At one point he had me Robbi Davis Eddie Maple Sean BRIDGMAN CRAIG PARROT And then later on after I, was done Ramon Dominguez. So He Yeah, he had some good riders. Rich is down at Tema NEOM for the sale and today and tomorrow, and the the the regional, a lot of regional. Breads that including the first hips today one, hundred, fifty, New York breads through the rings. It'll be watching the later we get off the air and we'll do some recapping the next couple of days and. You're doing a little shopping, right? Yeah Yeah just got done looking at a bunch of horses I. Actually Miss. Casey's I call because I was ahead. My is on a horse and was comparing notes with my son Joseph. but not it's great and you know these sales for me. It's just catching up with a lot of people that I see periodically but I've known her for years and years. So it's a big social event at his healthy as you know absolut absolutely. Well, let's get I. Know we've only got. A. Short amount of time and I still got to get the visits in with Damon Dilatot, Biko and Peter Miller, and rich some recapping from the weekend and I know Tony will talk about it later. Some jockey decisions and some performances let's start in the preakness. Give us your take on what transpired here because the race was certainly run it in a different manner than the Derby and. Johnny and Ravi Alvarado the colts and the Philly what happened out there. But I think Johnny you've got Scott Putting a very difficult position because even though they're not a couple of entry there different ownerships, the other baffert horse. Is Up on the lead with him. And you're the one outside of that horse. So you know it's almost your responsibility to kind of try to stay off for him. You don't want to horses from the same barn doing each other into defeat. Johnny trying not to take anything away from authentic I think you know went out a few paths away from them so they wouldn't be stay competitive. There's keen. And that allowed You Know Robbie Alvarado the opportunity to go on up inside of it was a bold move because you know when you make that move is a writer. That early inside run. You're going to have to run every step from there. The outside sources now going to engage you in the races on from that point. So he obviously felt like he had a lot of phillies during which he did. And I mean fees remarkable an absolute throwback kind of mayor Philly nine starts this year nine different racetracks against the best that the whatever division she's in has to offer and she hickory, and then you know looking at her the pictures and the video coming out. Her grazing the day after and this morning. Actually, loses weight out of racist I. Mean it's hard as she runs she comes out of them with. Incredible flesh just looks fantastic credit to Kenny mcpeek with a job he's been able to do but. So I think you know anybody's looking to criticize Yanni a you know you're you're in a kind of tough position when you're up there with the course trained by the same guy and know just the two styles did not complement each other and then they hooked up and and this is in no way to take anything away from the Phillies win because it is the second fastest preakness in history and and she ran. But you get a big call it's down next to Philly and particularly affiliate with a dominant personality like that. You Go. You know. With horses in the wild. The dominant mair is more dominant than astounding purse. they run they ruled the roost they're the boss. And then you get a cold you know is definitely all called gets down next to Maryland. What's incentives delivers sees a beautiful building and art and she's giving me the evil eye that I'm the delete mair. you know maybe never gonNa go by you. Know I go back to Carlin and rags to riches kind of a dominant mare curling gets up alongside of a restaurant she wasn't going buyer. I think you gotta factor that in a little bit and again, this is in no way to take anything away from her run. She's phenomenon I'm a huge fan. The. Essentially touched on both parts of this. You know Johnny did say one thing rich that. that. Authentic. Kind of was waiting. It was kind of idling on the lead when you know when he had put his head in front. About Midway on the backstretch but at the same time I, it's just hard to understand why Johnny wouldn't then. You know ease ease away from the field and basically grabbed the race by the throat. The the way he did in the Derby and simultaneously you know here's the what the one to almost three pads open the you don't you don't WanNa drop down a little bit there on the backstretch and and and make it a little bit more of a of a challenge to a horse to come up inside you. Well again, I I i. really think he was probably a bit preoccupied with the fact that there was the other bathroom or there and trying not to get in his way or make them do. You know I I, you know that's the way I saw I and I've been in a position where you you're in a you know right for the same Barney. Suddenly you're in the same position with another Russian that barnes like I. Don't want to you know get speed with my own entry or Somebody from the same barn it's not an interesting but. I kind of felt bad for him because I knew in what he had thinking and then when Robbie Alvarado seized it, he sees the moment that's what you know your best. Do they seize the moment and but again you you know backfires and you make that move then you know you're going to be criticized and that's You know this is what I like to say you dare to be great or he dared to be great and it worked. Talk about that part with Robbie because I'm sure you saw what I saw early in the week. Where you know people just were deriding the choice I. Said quite clearly on Monday after the drawer Tuesday I see you don't have to worry that. She's not going to be in good hands and that she's Her chances are diminished in any way having a guy like Robbie Alvarado who had won that race and has been in as many big races as anybody. Could have named. Well. Let me let me ask you a question. For riders. What's the first thing to go on writers like so much conversation You know when when people say riders you know over the hill is it their heart? Is it there is is their legs, their knees what what what do you think goes I with riding? Their confidence. That customers. That's the first thing to. Decide. Sued anymore. They've run away from you like you have to play and and I've seen servicing. We have riders in New York right now, and there's so much young talent that it's just so hard. There's only so many good around Mike can still right hit a great second. Keith O'Brien or just today but people are looking for the younger guys. They have less battle scars they they they're riding high. Energy. Bobby Alvarado could still always ride. He just lost business then then it's hard to catch twenty two. How do I? How do I showcase? I can still do it. If I get to ride, you know twenty one shots all the time and you know I'm fighting. Hope position instead of fighting to to win the race and. you know it's funny. I used to talk about this with a central Vasquez. He's the one who said that what goes I your leg jaw I'm thinking about it and he goes your customers. She goes they people make a decision about. He doesn't mean they're correct. But then how do you get the horses? They have the horses that you want. Right so you know for him to get this opportunity. And Obviously. Make the most of it I. I'm sure it's going to help give him A. Revive his career, give them some sort of Renaissance I. Think he's Obviously still very capable. Agreed and This also gets into discussions about jock agents and and you know that. Element and. it's not easy. It's it's complex and You know. I'll let going to. Drop it in Tony's lap later in the week. We'll let him riff as well beyond beyond preakness rich an amazing weekend of of racing and the Belmont Saturday and Sunday obviously over some of these with the with Andy but between Keeneland Belmont and the rest of the PIMLICO action what else really did you come away with? I mean just really fun racing everywhere. You look there's you know. Everything to remind you why you fell in love with the game to begin with I mean I. Felt like Fan this weekend being in the industry over forty years still be able to feel like a fan is is a really cool thing thought channel maker. You know they figured out you know. Just let him alone leave him own devices You know. Wasting time trying rate him in the past and gets into a fight and a very difficult horse to rate anyway because he has that head Tarik already up in the riders, take all them even more in your face. just throwing the rains add let him clear off and then he breaks himself. You see xeres come up. So many Franko and Bill Maher figuring out the best way to handle him I thought his run was terrific. Really. Nice. Really from the two zero phillies clump. Palm Island Yeah. Yeah. Her I'm sorry. Yeah. If I don't have it right in front of me Steve. Hits to the head But now just really classy love Again, the the the whole weekend I'm a big Fan She beat newspaper record who I think's another one that just needs to be left alone to her own devices led her to her saying she's. Capable of running fast and continuing why not make everybody drunk chasing instead of taking her weapon away I just but he's very good and I thought she needed that one shake the ring rust off. So I'm a big fan of cars reminding. Billing that mayor from years ago Megahertz not big. That really. Terrific turn of foot that you you love to see any surpluses seeing Peter brant win the arc seeing those. Yeah I mean I just I got a big kick out of that You know somebody that it's such a shot in the arm for industry. The have brand back in and sitting bothers he is again and I go back to you know when he had way just the game I was just coming around the track and New the groom of those sources, new exercise riders and they were just you know incredible phillies did marriage, and of course, racing against sources beating Negombo walk walk wait. at Belmont, Jamaica and You know he he had such a rich history. and to see him back in as involved in in, win the ARC and against seeing those colors internationally Yeah. I I got a big kick out of that. Complexity is come up this morning to that performance Kelso, and if he's he's if he's right he's a handful and. The job that Chad Brown's done with that horse nominal You look at. The his footwear and I mentioned that the anti evaporation before we went on Air I. Got Interesting footwear you know he he's got glue on Shoes Gel pads and you could see do a tremendous amount of work with his feet and that's been his Achilles heel pardon the pun. No Pun intended actually. But he just you know they get his teeth right? Whether the old adage no foot. No horse while. You can't understate or you can't overstate excuse me the job. She's done tat get that horse as good as he is and sound enough to be able to perform up to the best of his ability. We We also saw a couple of of efforts in the turf races Gluco for for Christoph and. Channel makers, effort Vermont under many Franko in the Joe Walsh there was There was nothing but Nice matchups and and some notable results there are there were a couple of re by the way a couple of New York I'm just looking at my list of New York stakes and I gotta give a shout out because I didn't get a chance to do with Friday country deck Lubich. One, the bond guard the other day. How about that? Withhold the salsa good job deck. A incredible owner trainer. Is still there were there. now again, I mean, just great to see him rewarded a guy who Has Been doing a long time I. Remember Meeting Him when I was a kid coming around with Dennis Brighter and. The owner train of breed of horse like that and Gafarov gotTA. Love the that in just a year kristaps than having I mean you know he always does well, but it just seems like there's been no long I mean from. Frame to Saratoga Saddam at fault. And you know what you like to she people that do the work that Kristof does and his team great assistance now is sending the gals. One of his top assistant you know and I watched Miguel go up he's been you know good friends with my son Joseph they grew up together So you know, I, get a kick out of it seeing that the next generation emerging few. This the silly things that. Useless knowledge but I actually look stuff like this up as I'm preparing for the show for Madeline. Is Gustavo in means owl. In Italian. What you, but that's what it means. Guff. Oh That was a that was a very sage wise old. Insight I love it. Well He. Swoop. down. On the field right. Boy. Rich. Go Buy yourself a nice yearling and. Best, the lock will be watching the the results in watching the sale and I. appreciate it. I wanted to get you know kind of the snap you know snap response while it was fresh. Posted, get interesting here Stephen I appreciate coming on but this could get interesting if I show up at the house. On Wednesday, with two year link Seattle Komo is GONNA react. The you'll you you've talked yourself out of worse. As a great. Rich. Wrigley are everybody and of course, back later this week with the Americas Day races on. The Fox network and the coverage continues right through we're going to Have David Villa Delvecchio join us and I just went I went to his page at at equity base and. It it now now, it says graded stakes winning trainer. and. That's got to feel good and he joins us now off of Latkes win in the de Francis Dash. Damon. Congratulations. Thank you very much. It's funny because I had looked at that page also and it's awful lonely there but it's there you know. I it doesn't matter. Once. You get that Green Link and that's all that matters and it's really unfair because you had the misfortune with immortal is I mean by all rights you know that period when the de Francis Dash was. Kind of laying there on its side. Ungraded. Just for a couple years but so it's your second to Francis, Dash? Right and it's a big race in the state. So we're happy listed grade in whatever it. It's funny that when it was listed, it was three fifty. And as a greater grace was to. How The Times are now? Well exactly and what what's amazing. This is that lackey at the age of seven you know and and you look at this race and you could tell he was competitive but he was going to have to run a race to win this thing on Saturday or no doubt about it and my biggest concern were. Its first two races at Pimlico were. A couple of years ago, but the Maryland sprint handicap, each race he performed floor. So now they were wet tracks and I'm sure that's what it was, but it hits it it still. Kinda had me concerned Maybe. Didn't like the surface because you know all that spring going up to that race I thought he was GonNa love it and then. You know he'd been on a wet track before and been successful but on those two days he was not. He's seven years old but truthfully he he's lightly race. There's not a tremendous amount of mileage I mean you could look at a seven year old the the might have you know might have forty, five, fifty starts. He's got twenty. This was his twenty eighth start. He's one ten times. so He's been placed well and he rarely misfires. Yet on the a lot of that You know, I appreciate the owner. Let me be as patient as I need to be with them and not that he's a horse with issues and he's tough as nails. You guys were talking about Hickory earlier, he's very solid and I think you know in most I think we were kind of gearing up to the two match series a couple years ago. So we didn't want abuse them going into that and. last year we kind of felt like you need a little bit of a break and that was the first time. We really kind of thought you know it was time so. He's come back from that. Awesome. Bring us back before we talk about the race specifically. Talk about the origins with him and you know he's got he's in Maryland bred, and he's by Cuba. He's out of a swear by Dixie men. Don't make fun of my. Tom, Michael's bred the horse. And a rider when I started out for Dale Kaplon Oh. You know whatever thirty some years ago. He had a rider there with US Lisa rock who also rode in the afternoon but. Somehow up in the New England Area Lisa and book Mr, Kalinowski you know knew each other friends whatever and. He ended up buying the horse. From Tom when I guess through contact of Lisa's and So, at least at work with them a little bit and when it came time to send them down, she recommended us. Oh. You know. Big Thank you to Lisa rock for recommending US and. You know I don't know I probably did a horrible job of explaining that but. That's what I remember. He he didn't. He didn't hit the track though until until fairly late, right he was. What his early breezes were just awful eight I. think he you know until until we actually castrated them. I. Wasn't getting much from them at all. and. I think that really kind of float our our process down just a just wasn't getting anything out of his breezes. And then At the end of that season right before he ran, it was impossible to find a race for him. In fact, I ended up starting on the turf just to. is to Hong. Kong, may throw. My hands up in the air like you know we gotta run this guy and. So that's why we ended up there and. A. Just a bunch of different reasons why he started so late not. You know mostly I, I feel like just that was struggling getting him to give me an effort when he worked. He didn't take long at the break is made and he was dangled for twenty, five, thousand and the fact he went on a sloppy track laurel that day and. Then right away. You you realized you know this is now You know order that that doesn't need to be. Available for purchase. Once. We get cash right and then we started to see some ability but I had just compiled all these. Fifty two halves. And all this stuff and I couldn't let go away. So we had an opportunity to be aggressive and It allows us to have a couple extra conditions. You know because here we write the starter to life for twenty five. Twenty. Five to live three life. So gave me a couple extra races too so. We definitely got away with one there. In. One part of this you know on a day where everybody was watching the. A, lot of the local jockey community, the Maryland and mid. Atlantic riders. Picking up national mounts. Or you know basically writing for trainers that were coming in. Horatio Para Mottos is completely associated with with him and is ridden him and all three of his starts. That's correct. And embraces them and most of all. His workouts so as far as the. You know the he just knows everything about the horse so I don't have to have that concern when we come to the paddock. Now, the two other riders that rode on Trevor in an Edgar there they're no slouches but no I you know I just prefer her he's just so familiar with the guy. So. Well and the there's a horse that that he's also I think back You know the last few years and I think about Mary up ler and pay any and he he was the regular rider on page. Yeah. There's something to be said for that. I think Oh you know. Just to just to know the horses and you know be in tune with them, I think that. Carries a little bit extra. and I'm just noticing Damon were we're forgetting one writer there is a fourth jock. Angels Serpa Yeah you'll Serpa yeah that's true I forgot about him in the in the opening. The. Opening. Race. Yeah that's the Guy Mr Carol. Today Oh. Yeah. Yeah Good friend of mine and but it's it. Just. How it worked out, you know it seemed like ratio and he were going to click we just kind of went on with it well. Well, talk about Saturday and what you know what the thoughts were I mean he's a horse that generally is in the race flow is usually never too far out of it If he is it, it's going to be a a an unsuccessful afternoon but. I almost blew that one 'cause once speaking into horatio before the race I just didn't WanNa be a passenger I kinda wanted him to. Try to be someone forty even though there was a good pace, it just seemed like that's how the race was. The track was playing I mean the last time he ran here law it was nothing but closers I think it Kinda ended up getting us a little bit but. Fatty I. Just wanted them to be aggressive and ends up in the mix going into turn and right away has to check a little bit again. I'm thinking at that point I, don't know how the heck this guy is GonNa Rally These. Horses from that. But. He got him to the good part of the track and any did you know about Taco came over on us a little bit too? you know just to just race riding. You know there's a few bumps and stuff approaching the wire which. You know I think aloud eastern bay to kind of get a little bit closer but as as far as. I was standing right in front of the winner's circle and they right on the wire. On a you know where it's at and. The whole Jockey Balcony I've felt like WHO's screaming for this force If everybody around it sounded like a regular preakness something and you know non covert times. It was crazy. My skin was crawling and then on applause after the winner's circle, it was it was a it was a special moment to be acknowledged by all my you know my friends here at the at the track. I it It's always special to you know to win. Out a big day and and then you fold in. The first grade stake win even though you've wanted to Francis and one plenty of other. Races with names on them but With a horse like this that you know that's been. On the shed row for. Essentially four plus years. That really that really enhances the whole the whole thing. Feels like it was a pretty perfect scenario. Oh. You know. When when you're here as long as she is, you know he picks up a lot of A lot of friends and fans so. It when it when it comes together, it's really awesome. Well and. We brought up immortalize earlier and I'm sure it was after one of his one of his wins last time we spoke. I think. Maybe when he became a millionaire, we might have might have had John. Around that summer. Yeah, exactly and Made I think that's the that's when you first made your. Initial. APPEARANCE ON TWITTER As booty juice and then you. Then you then you re then you then you kinda cleaned up, you kinda changed your image and and Not to more stable presence. My with my son's influence I'd I really WanNa really on it, and then when I go to it, I got all kinds of garbage on there. I. Don't know where it all comes from a lot of it's pretty embarrassing. But my son. My son has. Hooked me up with some more proper. Proper Twitter Account And the believe me, we've tried to delete the other one a number of times I don't know what's in there but. I don't know how. That works we'll every I I'll say this it. It has always stuck in my head and and so whenever I go to whenever I go to the. It had cash a it. There's A. There's A website in there demane there there's something there. In there something to. What. I how do you proceed now with with him I mean what other there's there's a regular parade of these kinds of stakes got A. got a very solid high nineties buyer and not his career-best. He's you know he he ran that one await going back to the Frank Whiteley. Yeah Yeah. I'm number early Sheriff Steve. And obviously, we'll give it the some time to think about it. He's not Maryland Nominated so point to a race in. This close to running a race in you know. Not Get in probably just try to run TACO. Also. Not Maryland nominated that you said that you know the race would have to fall apart. I don't know if pens GONNA have their. You know the sprints they have after Thanksgiving weekend The that could be a target for US I I'm not really sure really what we're GONNA do with them next but he seemed to have come out of the race well eating and taking charge of the shadow. So, that's all good. I, love it. Well. A An unusual preakness day obviously and preakness week an the racing was tremendous and from every indication Right, from the racing office through to the accommodations for those that came and everybody was raving about you know how they were treated and under the circumstances made the most of it The racing was tremendous still memorable and and special. You definitely. Definitely. We'll we'll clean your box out upstairs and get ready for you hopefully next spring. I, it's you know such. It's funny. You say that about the spring because it it, it sort of I think on Friday actually I kept talking about the end of the triple crown season and sort of realized. As I was saying it. You know we're GONNA. Go to the Breeders Cup and we'll be gearing up for for for triple crown out minutes later it's. Yeah it's crazy. They have the Reenen Zagat opt one night and basketball the next. He has a show it altogether. Exactly. Are you going to be Are you wondering? Timonium you buy I'M GONNA. Go I'm GonNa go find Megan. See if I can get some of his. Short on his input I heard them up there on on your show in my son's up there also so. I'll have another busy few days. Well, Damon GET get a couple of babies and we'll look forward It's a what's next for lackey and On his way to joining immortalize the as a millionaire certainly. The exact well, done the lighted. Steve Thank you very much I enjoy your program so much you you have no idea. Thank you, Damon. Thank you Damon Dilatot Vico everybody I graded stake win even though he'd wanted to Francis Dash going back to immortalize maybe must've been eight, seven eight years ago. We're going to stay right here. We got about twelve minutes to fill out the morning and I don twelve minutes isn't going to be enough to congratulate. Peter Miller. On the parade of steak wins that he has been offering the last few weekends and even back toward Del. Mar Peter Morning. Congratulations. Good. Morning Steve Thank you very much. Really appreciate it. Let's start with four's who is a special horse for anybody that cares about the sport when we talk about very and Every. Success. For says is going to be just heralded. Appreciate. Yeah it's a it's a great story. You know a very One of the most beloved trainers out here and most people know he's been very sick with cancer and I think this is definitely helping helping keep them alive. You know he he had a long run up to his return and he's really come back. picked up where we left off he's obviously continuing to mature and it feels like There's still a lot more for him to give. You know I think you're right I. Think you. Come back a better horse this year the time optimal world too good mentally and physically and We're really excited about the Breeders Cup. In five weeks how how quickly and you've got you've got a few bring but how quickly will you? Had you know head to Kentucky. You. Know I wait till the last minute. I keep them here and off. You know down at San Louis rates. It's very quiet and peaceful and the weather's good and so we're we're just GonNa stay put let them relax and and be at home and Do, all serious training here and and fly in week. The right. Well, and of course, we have yet to see you know we're we're kind of starting to monitor now after the ARC. Trying to get a feel for how many of the euro's are GonNa come but certainly the certainly the mile division even domestically and when you fold in some of the phillies mayors that are going to participate you know it's going to be a war but he seems up to it and pretty excited for for the prospect. They're very exciting to have a horse like him and and You know I just just hope we can keep them as as healthy and sound for another month. How about WE'LL? Talk about yesterday's well, the tell me about e. Don't know much. You know he's a he's a neat little horse. We've only had about a month and a half two months. from Europe. they did a great job with him and he ran a bang-up second I out here and came back and and Won The bob yesterday. So you know we're we're looking forward to to take him to the breeders. Cup. Juvenile Turf. And You know we we got a a nice source on their hands. The. This is. I think on Wednesday when when I'm joined by Sid Fernando, we'll have to dig into this breeding Off Todd. Out of a Sir Percy mayor and We're we're. Don't at don't ask me I've never heard of these are WANNA. We're GONNA we're. GonNa. figure out a little bit This was exciting. I mean and. You know I gotta say one thing it came up on my website to Peter. The fact that that Pereira? Couldn't go to the whip and some people said, you know what? Tarantino might have won that race. With what's your take on all of this? Well, you know I I I thought we would have won the race easier if my job could he used the whip. I really you know it's it's really it's a shame you know the rule is a shame and and it's it's it's you know it's it's bad for the gambler and this bad for the owner. It's very rare in this industry that you could have. The gambler, the owners, the trainers and jockeys all in agreement. That rule is bad. But that's what we have here. So So yeah, it really needs to be. Modified big time because you're you're you're you're not a lot of these races, the best horses aren't winning and you know owners gamblers spent a lot of money on this game and You know they deserve. They deserve a fair chance. Well put let me you get back to last weekend and of course, the American Pharaoh upset with get her number and when we talk about owners that give to the game. So. Generously. Nobody better than Gary. Barber? And to get a great one, three year old the really exciting. Yeah. No, it was You know he's he's one of the the top owners in the game and and and really supports the industry and so for us to buy this horse for forty, five, thousand at Ocala few months back in the winter grade one with them is for Gary. Barber's is very exciting and You know another one that we're looking forward to to the Breeders Cup with. It talk about the jump from the turf. You know he's a dialed in of Bernstein mayor. He had the two excellent performances broke his maiden first asking going short at del Mar came back in the juvenile turf ran very well on the lead and Kinda swallowed up late including by Echo but moving to the dirt what you know. What did you expect and obviously exceeded expectation. Well. You know he he is trained really well on the dirt all along we just kind of. Put Him in the grass. The timing was good for the race and and the The fact that he had had had come from ob s where the synthetic track we thought. Well, maybe we'll try them on the grass and he ran super one but I think he he definitely moved moved way up on the dirt. And I guess I guess. I. I. Just made an error in judgment the first two races. Well, it's funny. You talked to mcpeek earlier. This morning talk to Marquette Zied during the sale and and you know we talk about the interchangeability with young horses and lot of times starting them on the turf is easier on him. Yeah no I agree and that was part of the thinking I. Do I do like starting young horses on the grass I? Think they have a better experience without the kickback and it's a little bit easier on them physically. So we've done that quite a bit but you know we just kind of locked in do running in in the in the American Farrell. We were supposed to run Superman Shack he came down with a bunch of Mucus. So you know we we we thought we put in the second stringer, but maybe he was the first stringer. Pretty exciting. A very solid mid eighties Vira out of it native four and. All systems go for breeders. Cup. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. No I came out of the race super and and You know it's always tough to win. Breeders Cup races you know Brad Cox very nice. Two year old Steve's got a bunch of Nice two year old. So you know it's never easy but you know we're GonNa, we're going to give it our best couple of quick hits too because we've got two more winners to talk about it I. Guess The question is when I look at bulletproof one Gary. Barber cicely barber Aaron Wellman Atom Wok telling you when's her bat-mitzvah? Well you know it it sounds like a law firm. But you know She's something else and and I think we're we're actually considering the the the Breeders Cup Turf Sprint for she's run to ninety five buyers. To turf sprints and you know. I. Think She deserves a chance I know you know Gary got got stormy. Who's obviously a top class Maher planning to run in there but it's a it's a wide open division and we would get a lot of weight with a three year old fillies soave were seriously considering it how about that bulletproof one and of course, Gary having One? Last year with the mayor going Billboard Bay. With the seventieth. Finally. We're going to run out of time but CEESAY rocket again with Gary and partners including salt, cumin, and Tom Katie Deciding and dedicating this six year old back to sprinting. This is what he was always cut out to be. Yeah well, his pedigree said it. You know he does look like a force it will get to turn and he's one going to turn. So you know he's just a good horse and you know Tom K, go pick them out I'd like to take credit but but I can't and You Know Tom Tom Picks the horse out to claim and He's just you know been a dream come true and and really excited about his prospects for the Breeder's cup sprint he loved keeneland he's got the track record there at six and a half. And? You know just just exciting. You know what you're going to have to. You're going to have to commission a plane. You'RE GONNA have to charter a plane for for these breeders. Cup. Starters, I. I think we'll be okay with tech Titan but. But yeah it's it's exciting. It's certainly going to be our our our largest contingent ever. For the breeders. Cup. And I think we got a lot of live shots but you know you just you gotta you gotTa get lucky and you gotta stay. Healthy and sound. So we're a long ways away but our fingers crossed. P keep him healthy. Happy I'm glad to catch up well done these last few weeks. Thank you so much appreciate what you do for the industry awfully Peter Miller everybody add. Just, a host of successes. And Hadn't hadn't had a chance to catch up. With Peter and we've got to do a quick tap dance to get out here This was a busy morning as expected with antibiotic Ken mcpeek Joe Bianca David Del Delvecchio Jimmy Ryerson MiG and Pete Miller and To stakes today. Folks. You've got at finger lakes, the lady finger three, fifty two, and then later at presque Isle Six, twenty, five, the press. Kyle debutante. So two year old fillies on display today, we'll talk to you tomorrow another big slate of recapping from the huge weekend. Good Luck plane today talk in the morning. Along With Steve BIC on Sirius Xm radio. Pennsylvania breeding program was of course impacted by the pandemic. Now with our country getting back to work, we'd like to again talk about our program the best in north. America. Are Breeder Awards will remain up to fifty percents for PA sired. Owner bonuses won't also stay at up to forty percents. Instructed races will again be run at all three P. H. Ranks in PA Day at the races will return. I'm Brian Sanford for more please visit PVA DOT com.

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