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Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"All right, let me give everyone the trivia answers to the questions I posed in the intro. So the all time head to head record, the Astros and the pirates, the pirates have the upper hand in that one. 360 six and three 43, all time against the Astros. That is courtesy of the website stat muse, and then I will also give you courtesy of frequent step bus consultant Ryan Nelson, the player answers here. So the highest war batters, this is career war batters who have ever played for these two teams esters and pirates. Number one, Kenny Lofton, the well-known ASTRO and pirate Kenny left him. Played, I think, a total of a 104 games for those two franchises. Not really associated with either of them. I guess can you often might be known as the one who got away from the asterisk, the fact that they traded him, but they're ten years with those teams not particularly notable. So Kenny Lofton and then moist ISO Lou, Phil Garner, Tony Pena, Ken ochre fell. And then the pitchers, we have Jerry Royce is number one, Danny Darwin, Doug drabek, Eric bedard, and Juan de Rodriguez. Then as for the first players ever to play for both franchises, there were actually two former pirates on the inaugural Astros slash colt 45s expansion team catcher Hal Smith and outfielder Roman mejias. They were both picked in the expansion draft, and then the first pitcher to play for both was Jack lamabe, who was traded from the Red Sox to the Astros in September 65 and pitched three games for the Astros before leaving the following off season he had played with the pirates in 62. So there are your trivia answers for today. All right, that will do it for today and for this week and for Dylan Higgins our editor and producer are longtime assistant and collaborator on this podcast. He has done hundreds and hundreds of episodes over the past several years. It was very difficult for me to surrender being the sole editor of effectively wild after doing that for so many years and so many episodes. I just felt like who is going to invest the time and effort and care into this that I would as one of the hosts and founders of the show and Dylan's commitment and attention to detail, reassured me, giving the confidence to slightly loosen my grip on the reins. I will miss the late night G chats about background sounds and audio levels and filler words. We've got a pretty small operation over here and he's been a big part of it. We've been in constant contact every week about scheduling and logistics and edits and it has been a pleasure to work with him. He has been flexible and available and diligent and he cares what this show sounds like. It wasn't just any old assignment for him. He really cares about the product, the same goes for fanc audio, and we will miss working with him. We wish him well in his post effectively wild and fan graft's life. Our episodes are substantial as it is, but they would be longer, if not for Dylan saving you all. Countless minutes and hours over the years by trimming out ums and stumbles and crosstalk and background noise. I'd liken it to the baseball pace of play length of game conversation. We do a lot of episodes. They're lengthy episodes. And so it's important to cut out the dead air. Keep the conversation moving. We pride ourselves on delivering as clean and smooth and pleasant to listening experience as we can here at effectively wowed and Dylan has been a big part of that. And I would direct everyone to his last episode of fangraphs audio, which will be up on Friday morning and features Ben Clemens talking to Dylan about his career, how he wound up at fangraphs and ended up doing what he's done. I would imagine that after editing us for so long, maybe he might need a break, just having our voices in his head ringing around his brain, perhaps it would be hard not to be a backseat editor for a while too, but he's made a contribution to every episode he's edited, right down to today's, especially with team previews and guests who have varying sound setups to put it charitably. And I guess Meg will need to learn a new name now before she does a swear. So one last time, thanks to Dylan Higgins for his editing and production assistance, and if you want to keep up with him, you can find him on Twitter at DH Higgins. Also, thanks to everyone who applied to be Dylan's successor, we got a ton of interest, a lot of great candidates and we really appreciate all the thoughtful emails and the resumes and just wanted to say that we have found a successor the next editor of effectively wild will be starting next week, so no need to apply for that position at this point. It has been filled, but it's
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"The part of me that grew up marveling at Phil Negro and reading about reading Jim bouton and ball four and seeing Tom katia and Tim Wakefield and Joe Negro and some other guys enjoy long careers. It really bums me out the idea that the knuckleball may be extinct at the major league level. So the more we talk about our a Dickey and how great our a dickies career turnaround was, I think, the better. So I'm kind of sad to see those two go in particular. Yeah, one nice thing about the fact that the electorate has kind of come to value players more the way that our modern metrics would suggest is that we don't really see very deserving guys go one and done. Bobby rich or Lou Whitaker, Kenny Lofton, those types, where if they had stuck around or if they were to be on the ballot now it would be a very different story. So you see the rolands and the wagners and the Joneses and the hiltons, et cetera, you know, started a low level and then they have the ability to keep climbing, whereas those other very deserving strong candidates were deprived of the chance to keep climbing and maybe in their era, they wouldn't have had the chance to keep climbing anyway, but now when a guy gets knocked off the ballot in the first year, it's generally like, well, you had a nice career, but you weren't you weren't going to get it, so that's okay. One guy who is no longer on the ballot now is Jeff Kent and he also made a little late ballot run here on his last year of eligibility and he made a nice climb, but didn't end up anywhere close to where he would have had to be to get in. He was at 46.5, which actually tied Carlos Beltran in his first year, right? So I think a lot of people are kind of fitting Kent for the era committee plaque in the bane's and mcgriff tradition. So are you expecting that and how do you feel about this idea that players will get knocked off the ballot, have their ten years and not get close and then just be shoo in to this very small group of backdoor into the hall? Yeah, look, we've seen it before. We saw, you know, we saw it with Alan Trammell. We saw it with Fred mcgriff. I don't think Jeff Kent is the worst candidate to go that route. If you gave me a choice between Jeff Kent and
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"So I'm sure he would want to get in as soon as possible, but there's not that much suspense, like he seems like he's got to be a give me at this point pretty much. Yeah, I think that that seems right, but I don't know, especially given that what is it called now she asks that she has edited a Gillian it's impossible to remember. We should just bring back veterans committee because that's the only thing anyone can remember. I can not remember the name. Contemporary baseball era committee is what it's called this year, I think. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, contemporary baseball era committee. I just edited the Dale Murphy one, my goodness, J I'm sorry. I promise I paid closer attention when editing than it's been able to stick in my brain, but particularly given some of the weirdness in that ballot there were guys who weren't supposed to be on there who we haven't seen. There are a bunch of guys on there who seem to have no chance at all for election. It might just be a weird year in cooperstown this summer if this coming summer rather if Roland doesn't get in this time around. So let's hope that he does because otherwise I don't know. Yeah, it could be a shout out, which has happened before. It has happened before. Right, the players on the I have already forgotten. Baseball era committee. Thank you, bonds, Clemens, palmero, shilling. Albert pell. Boy, just Mattingly. Yeah. Yeah, and right. For you mentioned. Yeah. And then some notable omissions. I don't know what Whitaker did to England there. Why will they not even put it out here? Kenny Lofton or others who have strong cases. David Cohn. But that'll be sort of interesting, I guess, just Evans. Right. Wherefore. Just to see how different leave the baseball veteran types treat those candidates whom the baseball writers snubbed. I don't know whether they will be more or less likely I would think in some cases even less likely to let them in, which would seem to favor the likes of mcgriff, for instance, Dale Murphy, dominating the wealth. Cases. You can always play the well Herald beans got in game with players like this. Who were great for a time, some for a very long time. And would not be the worst players in the Hall of Fame. You could play that game, always they would not be even close to the most questionable statistical selections by the various committees over the years. And because there are a few quote unquote good guy candidates here where you could kind of check the box without having to worry about what they might say at their speech or what message you would be spending by inducting them. Maybe that means that they are more likely to get in. And on the BBW a ballot, by the way, you also have Todd Hilton and you have Billy Wagner and Roland and those are the guys who have been over the 50% threshold in Roland's case. Over the 60% threshold. So I imagine they will all make gains. So I still haven't decided what to do and I don't want to belabor it really, but I haven't regretted just sort of checking out of the process like it's been kind of nice not to part of me also wants to support Scott Rowland. Again, I don't feel a great urgency because I don't think he needs my vote necessarily. Maybe this year, but he's going to get in. Yeah. But it would be nice to check the box next to Scott Rollins name, but the problem is that my objections are reservations last year. They were related to the specific players and names on the ballot, but they were also largely about the process, really, and the process hasn't changed. So in a sense, it would kind of be a cop out, I think, if I were to say, well, now that I no longer have to make a decision about Barry Bonds or whomever, then now I can just jump back into the pool because it's an easier decision, not that it would be super easy because there's still players on that ballot who not only have PD issues, but domestic violence, issues, which was an even bigger issue for me, really. So nothing actually has changed, like I wanted there to be some kind of clarity as it pertains to the character clause, like ether, get rid of the character clause or provide some sort of way that we could kind of account for character. Not necessarily wholeheartedly unreservedly celebrate someone, just like note the whole legacy and the whole life and career as opposed to just reducing everyone down to a plaque with some numbers on it, which kind of allied some of them were unsavory stuff there. And there just didn't really seem to be a mechanism to account for that at least in the plaque hall that everyone thinks of when they think of the Hall of Fame. So for that, another reason, I just didn't feel great about it. And none of that has actually changed, even though some of the names have changed. And they're still some shady names, and there will be more shady names in the future. I don't know how consistent it would be for me to vote this year having not voted last year unless I totally changed my thinking on things and I don't know that I have so. That's sort of where I am. If I don't vote this year, I would feel a little pang of regret for not getting to help push rolling over the hump. But again, he'll get there. Yeah, I think that that is likely to be true. Yeah, you're really kind of put yourself in a bind there, Ben. Yeah, I guess I did. Something a little bit of a bun. I'm kind of okay with it though. I know. It's always easier to not do things. It is easier not to do things. Yeah, it's true. And I know this is kind of a cool thing. For a long time, I thought it would be a very cool thing and didn't think that I would have any issues or hang ups about this. And would not have envisioned myself not voting. So things have changed with my thinking and the collective thinking and just the people who are on the ballot and all of that and it became less of a cool thing or a less of an uncomplicated cool thing and I just kept going back and forth and I didn't feel great about either course and ultimately decided well I don't really want to endorse the process as it currently works and I feel okay about just kind of either kicking the can down the road or just being a conscientious Hall of Fame objector or whatever it is. It's just not having the headache of it.
The Rich Eisen Show
"kenny lofton" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"I'll say this. I don't think either one of them go anywhere. Either? I think when the season starts, Kyrie, Kevin Durant were both be. And then Simmons. Joe Harris, and they just run it back? I kind of think so because the Lakers are going to have to, I mean, we all kind of think maybe Kyrie can end up on the Lakers, but something tells me that Michael Lakers, I mean, why would the nets ever do that? Yeah. That doesn't make sense. That's why I'm saying. You can't get equal value for these guys so you might as well keep them. So I don't think either one of them, but what else the bull's going to honestly have a great package for Durant? You have demar Derozan. Patrick Williams. Patrick Williams, Kobe white, in two or three first round picks. That's a great package. And then you pair him up with Zach lavine. That's him can compete also for a championship. Kevin Durant and Zach lavine aren't competing for a championship. What do you mean? Of course they are. You have Kevin Durant who's a top ten player Zach lavine, who's at least a top 25 year old is the number two option, and then you have a healthy Lonzo Ball. You have to take back. Is that team to Celtics? They would not be the favorite, but they could beat them. So that scene can consensus. I think Kyrie's gone. I had a weirdly think Durant's going to come back. I mean, the team put out the season ticket information panel the other day and Durant's in the photo, but Kyrie isn't. That weirdly says a lot to me. Like maybe you were saying. Like maybe the owner and Durant kind of work something out and or maybe it was just a move. Maybe it was kind of a chess play by KD and his team to be like, let's get this trade talk out. Let's get that leaked. So then Kyrie will force his way to LA and then I can have this team to myself with Ben Simmons and Joe Harris and Seth curry and whoever. And Wes in Westbrook potentially. Yeah, maybe Westbrook, yeah. And I think we may have spoken about this on the big screen yesterday or maybe we didn't. But you also have to look at if this is going to work, Kevin Durant loves basketball. Right? Yeah. We like basketball. Kevin Durant loves basketball. Kevin Durant would play probably 24 hours a day if he could. And then you got Ben Simmons, who we don't think loves basketball. I don't know how that combination is going to work when you've got a gym rat and a guy who doesn't appear to be a gym right? Like I said, I believe in the beginning of the season, both of them are in the nets. You notice I didn't say by the end of the season, they both be on the nets though because that part I'm not sure. It's interesting. It's interesting. All right, so I just wanted to get out of there on that. And real quickly before we go, any summer week, what do you got chat versus Paulo? How awesome is that? Chet balled at the beginning, but then Kenny Lofton junior, who, by the way, I don't understand how he was undrafted. I really don't. I don't understand also how he's not the son of he's not right. And he's a junior. He's a junior. But the center field. He kind of put it on shed a little bit game too, and died down the next thing you know all of a sudden they're sitting at home grin out. That was a little weird to me, but Paulo balled out. I love Paula. I'm a fan. You know? I followed duke very closely last year. I watched a lot of their games. Paulo is a potential superstar. He's got the total package offensively, and he's huge. He's been doing boy. Two 50 built like a brick. He's only going to get bigger as he gets in the league. He can shoot outside. He can post people up. I love that pick by the magic and everybody thought that they were going to pick jabari Smith going into the draft. It was pretty much a guarantee. And they had to change the heart. I think they made the smart pick with Paulo and it'll be fun to see him in chat in a potential rivalry 2022 draft class rivalry, along with jabari. So Chet has potential to be special. Game changing defensive player, especially. He can shoot for a big man. He's gonna block just the fact that I was going there that he can become a di can be matumbo like shop blocker. Where he's blocking two, three shots every single game. I think so too, yeah. It's going to be tough with his frame, maybe he'll never be, he's got to put on some muscle. He'll never be ripped. He'll never be yoked. He's not going to be Zion. You know what I mean? He won't even be Giannis. But if he can just put on like 15, 20 pounds of muscle over the next couple of years and establish himself in the paint and continue to work in his jumper, that guy can be a superstar as well. Yeah, there's no reason why he can't be 2010 and three blocks. But this is me. I'm always hesitant. You're mentioning there can be mutombo. You know, there's going to be the second greatest shot blocker in the history of the NBA. The kind of say he could be the can be like.
Open Floor: SI's NBA Show
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Open Floor: SI's NBA Show
"Yeah, I mean I'm being a little facetious with the Zion and the Kenny Lofton stuff. Like I think he'll be a very disruptive help defender, great rim protector. I think I've said this on the pod before, but someone told me who works in the NBA works in the front office that jets for me to try to envision who Chet could be think Chris porzingis with the defensive ceiling or the defensive ability of Evan mobley. And I was like, oh, okay, well that's just terrifying. Incredible stuff. So really fascinating prospect that can't wait to see how his rookie season shakes out and watching him on the floor with Josh giddy, who speaking of players who are way too good for summer league. Another game or two that he's playing. He doesn't love one. Oh my God. And I'm gonna go back to what you just said a minute ago, I think he can be better than porzingis has been offensively. Whether that means he scores more than the guy and porzingis had stretches where he was averaging 35. Whether it was in Dallas, I know he had a stretch or two like that in New York where people thought he was like, you know, just get a slide in and replace Carmelo as an all star level number one option. There were things that porzingis couldn't do. And I think we see this a lot with big men sometimes where they aren't comfortable backing down guys that are smaller than them. We saw with Carly Anthony towns at times in the playoffs too. And porzingis would just kind of force bad shots. Again, this is just summer league, so we don't know yet. We need to see more of it. We need to see against better competition. But it just kind of seems like there's a more comfortability with holmgren with certain shots. We were just talking about the off the dribble stuff and the dirt fade away.
The Bill Simmons Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on The Bill Simmons Podcast
"Based on the movie alone, I would. I'd be like, oh, that's pretty good. Yeah, when you watch Juan Cho and hustle, it just feels like he should be one of the best 30 players in the league. Stretch for unbelievable athlete can work on things. What else does he what else do you need from a stress? Anybody who works out with a monster truck tire is good with me. If you're throwing a ball through a monster truck tire. Yeah. Of course you gotta be good. It would be a great warrior's minimum signing that I think everybody would get excited about. Like when people got excited about the Patrick Baldwin draft pick. What's the worst could figure it out? The guy from hustle. That is a great call. That is a or the Timberwolves. Like I know a Timberwolves got a lot of height already, but I think they trained him already though. Hold on. Timberwolves traded who? Well, a couple years ago, they traded one show. But now you have, but I know but now you have Anthony Edwards, and they would join forces, it'd be a good narrative. Unbelievable, there should be some sort of SB for most beloved breakout, like most beloved breakout star. Because Anthony and Edward was like nothing really happened, right? They lost them round one. He had a big defensive screw up at the end of one of those games. Yes, I had some really fun moments. I think he kind of won people over is just like highest young guy approval rating the league. So there's that. He was great and hustle. Which I think is the most watched Netflix movie this year, which is nothing. Is that true or not? No, I think it was. It's like every number one more like two weeks. But is that algorithm specific to us because we're like clicking on the sports films? No, they had the top ten, which I think is just locked in. Okay. Well, good for Adam Sandler. So we had that. He had the football videos, which I just feel like should be part of his repertoire going forward. It's just nothing more fun than watching play football. And then the Gobert trade, they trade every draft pick they have until 2080 to try to get him a defensive center right out. It's kind of the secret year of Anthony Edwards. I'm enjoying it. And he remember he had the quote that he didn't like, or he said he wasn't afraid of Gobert. But it didn't register. It didn't stick. But for Robert. Because people like him. Nobody wanted to hold it against him. Poor Robbie Anderson wrote one Instagram comment, run one word. He just wrote, no. And now it's a big controversy because he got baker. Anthony Edwards did a full soliloquy on how he didn't like Gobert. And like, yeah, it's okay. You guys work it out. Robbie Anderson can't have an Instagram comment. I'll get put through the ringer. It all comes down to how much people like you. We just need the last piece for AdWords, there's no celebrity relationship. Just stay away from that. The celebrities them. They're going to try to latch on. They're going to try to get the paparazzi relationship out of them. Hold tight, Anthony Edwards. I'm getting the right person for you. Okay. Speaking of people we love who have won the summer. Chad holmgren. That's another person. This podcast is really about wilds planning flags. Big time. Because we had on the ringer, we had Steve so Rudy and Kevin Clark. They basically decided for the draft. We want them to take Chet. And then there was I thought they moved on that. Well, I think they were kind of talked to them. They talked themselves into, what was that really? Was it a 50 50 splitter? Was it both you both of you guys for Chet? We both want to chat. Definitely. Sorry. But then it was one of those, it seemed like they were taking jabari, so it became one of those situations like I wanted my daughter to go to my Alma mater, but now she's going here and then two weeks later, you're like, no, we always wanted her, you know, Michigan's grade school, but you're like, devastated, they didn't go to Notre-Dame. That's where those guys were with jabari and I think most of the fan base. And then they did the palo thing. And then the summer league happens. Now Orlando is like, the season has even started yet to screw up the pick. Well, that's what Walt's so they're playing tonight. Paulo versus jabari tonight. I don't know. We're going to put this out. So that's interesting. If those guys feel any pressure to either outscore each other or outscore debut. The thing about Chet and I'm hardcore team chat, were you at all, we had all worried about how Kenny Lofton junior kind of put his shoulder into sternum. And treated him like one of those skateboarding memes where the guy goes flying down the street because I talk a big game, but I'd be lying if I told you it wasn't a little bit concerned and considering Kenny Lofton junior is in Joel embiid. It's a concern. So two things. Never overreact to some relief. That's one of my rules in life. I tell my kids that, I'll tell my grandkids, same thing. Chet's upside was never the question to me. The question to me was always, can he stand the floor and how has his body going to evolve over the next 5, 7 years? The talent was never in question. So to me, it's not surprising that he looked awesome in a summer league game, and it's also not surprised in that. He got pushed around
The Rich Eisen Show
"kenny lofton" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show
"The door. The door and allegation. It would have been, it would have been a lot of fun. Well done, man. You know, with Willie Mays Hayes leading off. Right? Very good. Appreciate the call. Thank you. You know what's amazing to the Indians suddenly become good? Just as major league came out, right? With Kenny Lofton leading off. Just as they had Wesley Snipes. Like they literally put together. Carlos baerga. Carlos Bayer Albert Joey bell. Don't call me Joey bell. When did when did major league come out? What is the actual date? I feel like that's about 89. Because I don't know, I think it might have been a little later, no? 89. 89. All right, 'cause I remember I was in college when that came out. And the Indians were just about to get good right after that, right? Like when did Kenny Lofton and the rest at barga and the rest of them show up. It was mid 90s. They had a great run of World Series playoffs. Lost ALCS in four years. 'cause I remember the Sports Illustrated cover the year I arrived in Michigan was Corey Snyder and Joe Carter ready to take the Indian somewhere, and as you know, that didn't happen. Michael mando of Better Call Saul coming up in studio. For over three decades, nobody has had a wrestling career like arn Anderson. Conrad Thompson gets all the stories with our..
Lakers Nation Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Lakers Nation Podcast
"And then who is it they picked up midway through. I've been seeing rumors of Mike Conley that they're interested in trying to go after. They got Karis levert to talk about so that would be an interesting one. I just don't know what you would get from them. Yeah, I'm not too sure, but if you really think about it THT since he's not a pure point guard, he's a guy that you could put with Garland as well on the floor. And I think that's part of the things they want to take a little bit of the ball handling and playmaking pressure off of him. So you can put a THD on the floor with him. And it could work. So I don't know if they'd be interested, but that is a team that I wouldn't mind calling up if I were the Lakers. Give me Darius Garland, please. Thank you. Who would have been the Lakers pick at four? Yes, they kept that big. No. Is that true? Yep. Yep. That was the AD pick, though. 2019. Oh, okay. All right, all right. I'll take that. If that was like the Danny Green. I was like, 'cause I know we weren't for the green, but the Danny Green pick was supposed to be a Desmond bane, I think. Oh, good. Glad we didn't pass on anything great for your dentist Schroeder. That's tough. At the end of the day, that's tough. Oh my gosh, Dennis. Apparently, Kenny Lofton, junior is not Kenny Lofton, the baseball players. No? I'm still working on my draft prep. You gotta keep working on that sermon king you spread and misinformation..
Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney
"Like a Joe Nathan, who or a Bobby Abraham or a Jim Edmonds or to dial it back even further a Kenny Lofton. How's Kenny no often not getting a longer conversation? And if that goes before the veterans committee and they go, well, look how long these guys lasted on the ballot. That's not exactly fair because of the ten limit. Yeah, I think you and you and I have talked the last time I voted I cast ten people on my ballot and I didn't vote for Mike mesa who I covered for three years who I thought absolutely was a Hall of Famer. I didn't vote for Kurt Schilling, who I thought absolutely was a Hall of Famer at that time I worked with him at ESPN. I didn't vote for Jeff Kent, and who I think is a Hall of Famer. And it really bothered me because my feeling was, I'm not judging those guys, I wasn't able to judge those guys because of the, I mean, let's face it, Barry arbitrary rules. Based on their the quality of their careers, the achievements that they had. I was judging them in the end, leaving them off the ballot because of, as you say, gaming my ballot and trying to figure out how to use that. And that's, to me, especially in this process where you're voting for an achievement like that being in the being voted in the Hall of Fame. It feels disrespectful to the players. I hate what you describe with Ted Simmons every year getting the phone calls from writers and asking how they're feeling. And you know, the way this conversation also is going that the conversation now is more about what they didn't do. And why they weren't good enough. And that makes me cringe. Yeah. No, in some way that baseball, right? Like we always focus on the failure of the game and that's part of why we love it with the whole three out of ten.
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"It's about endorsing the lynching of journalists and anti trans comments and supporting the insurrection and endorsing imposing martial law because of election conspiracies. Promoting misinformation about school shootings being hoaxes, et cetera, et cetera could go on. Can I briefly interrupt your monologue? And I have a lot of I think there's been a lot of debate around the sort of consistency of the application of the character clause on ballots that have been published and I don't need to litigate any particular ballot, but I do have some sympathy for the notion that shilling is in some ways sort of a unique case because he is not shy. He's not a quiet guy, and he is going to have a speech and I think that it is legitimate to think about how platforming him is sort of destructive in a unique way. And perhaps you're responsible in a unique way. Now, the counter to that which I also find persuasive is that if you give a vote to one of the candidates who has domestic violence or grooming of a minor stuff associated with them, they likely aren't going to advocate for those things in their speech. But they are being platformed also and that has an impact on survivors. So who knows? It could enable future behavior on their part in some way. It's hard to tell. And so I think that there are a lot of ways to sort of grapple with the platform in question, but I do think that I can I can see the argument for shilling having a particular and unique issue when it comes to that, which doesn't mean that you have to vote for any of them or that you might not view the folks who are associated with violence or inappropriate sexual relations with intimate partners as disqualifying in their own right. I don't mean to suggest that. But I am sort of sympathetic to that argument. Man, okay, continue your model. Thank you for stopping my headline rush here for a second. But I do think that's a valid stance and I didn't feel like I could exclude chilling and still vote for bonds and class and co like I did with the argument showing is more vocal and he's interested in political office and maybe he poses like a clear present danger in a way that some others don't and he might do more harm than others with the boost in profile he could get from being a Hall of Famer, but I don't know, who's to say it doesn't do as much harm or some harm to have an abuser or a legend abuser get to say he's a Hall of Famer and be celebrated for that with no acknowledgment of the other stuff. So that's chilling. I guess you can call that politics and some people do, but I just don't see those things see them as things about which reasonable people can disagree. Not like within the bounds of what traditionally historically would hope we would consider politics. I guess that's what it is today. But I just felt a little icky about excluding someone who sent some really terrible tweets and including people who may have done things that other candidates were accused of. Not that tweets can't cause harm, but yeah, it's just a little different. Anyway, I could submit a ballot that was just Scott rolling and maybe Gary Sheffield and possibly helped him who DUI societe is really right on the border for me statistically anyway. And a rod potentially, although man, if I feel bound to consider character because that's in the rules then maybe I'm obligated to consider sportsmanship and integrity too. And it doesn't exactly pass with flying colors there. And then maybe Ortiz I had been a bit conflicted about him just on the baseball merits, but I've been kind of coming around, especially because of the postseason accomplishments. Other guys like Abreu and petted and burly and Hudson, they all just follow-up bit short for me as do Billy Wagner and Joe Nathan. I know there's an argument that if DH and reliever are positions in the sport and spots on the roster that people occupy, then the best of those things should be in. But the bar for both is really high for me. They're not so much positions with specialized skill sets in my mind as they are places where you put players who aren't capable of playing positions where they could amass more value. Starters and relievers are just different points on the spectrum of the pitching position. I think and reliever pitch a lot less and have less opportunity to accrue value. And those innings totals are just so low. Anyway, that's kind of aside from the main thrust here. The point is that I could turn in a ballot that excluded most of the best players on the ballot. But I really wouldn't feel good about that either. I don't really think there's a point to having a Hall of Fame as we understand the Hall of Fame that excludes a lot of the best players or includes a lot of players who weren't among the best. That's why I kind of cringe when a Bobby richer Lou Whitaker or Kenny Lofton or dick Allen is kept out and also kind of cringe when a Jack Morris or Harold baines or suitor Jim rice gets in or if you keep players from the PD era out, but bring bud sea leg in. It's not that I don't want someone to have a happy day. It's that if you have a really inconsistent standard, it's just hard to know what significance to attach to the honor. I don't know what it means anymore. And I think most people who buy a ticket to the Hall of Fame and go to the plaque room expect that to be the place with the best players. I don't think they're looking at that mostly the way that I'm looking at this. And I don't know that there's anything wrong with that. I think a lot of voters and visitors are able to separate the person off the field from the person on the field, and I don't think a vote for bonds or Clemens or Ramirez or shilling or whomever is necessarily irresponsible or malicious or an indication that the voter doesn't think domestic violence is bad..
The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast
"Well, instead of going to the game, I think I'm going to go to Gulfstream and pompano park, so I'm still going to have a still gonna have a fun Sunday, James. Well, it's my last Sunday off. We start running Tampa at Sundays on the 26th so I got to take advantage and sneak down to Miami since I can't go to the game. Well, James always appreciate you again. We won't hear from you till the new year. So I hope you have a good holiday season and a 2022, which is crazy to say. I hope it gets off to a good start for you, pal. Yes, thank you, Jason, all the best. All right. Let's talk to the shaft cap. And so the jury continues on and we had back to Louisville Kentucky I shouldn't say back. I'm so used to that yet because Ed we'd always go from Louisville to Lexington back to Louisville, but we're just going to Louisville and welcoming Scott Shapiro. She have cap how are you? The Kenny Lofton of the jury to lead off headers no longer with us. Our bell is still here though. Albert palette here. I mean, I guess I'm out of bell. Maybe a comet? James is definitely by Erica. I don't know why that's so funny. He's in the number two spot. He's up the middle. He's playing good D, he's a hustler. He's a solid he's hustler. Yeah, come on. He's playing. You get all the clean up too. It's funny I was thinking about Albert bell like remember that time when he chase kids down in his car on Halloween because they knocked us. Was he Joey bell still at that point or was there any outlet? Oh, I don't remember. No, I don't. He was Albert. I'm almost sure, but I just wanted to throw that in. I think that was, I think it was later. It was like White Sox days or something. Yeah, Joey bell was before he got like, no. Okay. It was funny. I don't know if it was one was a nickname or whatever, but his original rookie card at Joey bell on it. Man, that guy could hit that was quite some lineup to have there. They were Jeffrey Mayer, though, right? Or no, that was the Oreo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm looking at his Wikipedia page. It says no until 1990 is Joey bell, but because his middle name is Joan, J O J N so I guess I'm assuming that's where the joke came from. Yeah. And he has a twin named Terry bell. Carrie? Terry, yeah. For a fraternal twin. Back to horses. I love it. My other favorite part about albertville Wikipedia page is his controversy section is like write a few lines longer than his major league career summary. And that guy had that guy had an amazing career. How many homers did he hit? Oh, God. Let me see. 381. 381. Yeah. Two 95 career hitter. I mean, how solid is that? Yeah, he back. 1200 RBIs in 11 years. He only played 11 years. Yeah, so that's why that's why I thought 400 and 5, but yes, it's a shame those teams never won the ultimate goal. I mean, there was a lot of good teams back then, but they were definitely one of them. They beat my 95 marriages in the LCS best baseball year in my life and the Indians ruined it. And now the guardians, he's actually his Wikipedia says Cleveland guardians Hall of Fame member. I get the name change, but I guess it's just the way the link is set up on there. He was on the Indians, you know? It was like. It says, and it says that. It says formally baseball player for the Cleveland Indians Chicago white suits but then it says Cleveland guardians Hall of Fame. Clickable link. Link. Yeah. That goes to Cleveland. 'cause I'm guessing that's a current thing. The Indians were what the team was when he played, yeah. Right. Anyway, chef. As you said, back to horse racing. We're talking a few hours before, really one of the biggest events of the year, the turfway park, pick 5. You get excited for it? It's gonna be over by the time this airs. It's nice if there's going to be a carryover. I really like it for two reasons on a Thursday for turf we have the start of the week longer time to promote and prepare. And I have less going on. That's going on right now on a Thursday and other racing. So it's like, I play turf way, but not every night or consistently. So it kind of gets you something excited about because I haven't made a bet and the first three days of the week here, not that I can bet on the pick 5 of Kirby, but it does sperm. Sperm motivation and would now be chatting with former jury member Ed derosa on his new live feed although when people hear this it will already be passed ahead and hopefully. It's got a live feed going every hour. It seems like lately. He's on spaces a lot. Have you tried those Twitter spaces yet? No, you know, it's funny. As a general rule, I get extremely annoyed any time there's anything at the top of my feed that's nothing I care about. Like I just hate it. All I want is my timeline. I don't want any other. I hate the trending topics. I hate their politics. I hate all of it. And but I will say that I did click on one yesterday because they were kind of in the news yesterday. There was a big college football thing that was talking about. And a guy on my feet armed to lesion, who's a big high school football guy, you know, I'm sure down in LA. He's always doing them. And so I thought, let me check it. And it's kind of just like a little podcast, but people can participate. But you can whoever, like, you know, if you're sitting in there and some guy that you hate comes in, I mean, you can just drop the hammer right away, right? It's actually pretty cool. No, I don't really have anything. Other than I do agree I mean, I'm the same with Twitter. I just kind of want the old traditional timeline. But yes, I mean, it's kind of cool how they work and give people a setting and pops right up there and there's stuff that I would never listen to that I have ended up listening to. It was more so in terms of NFL stuff. Beat reporters talked them before a game. And I knew that I know that stuff is available for me. If I want to search it down, but it's just easy up there. And like you said, it's pretty user friendly. So those are pretty cool. I'm not sure what it has. I don't think it's a Twitter space for us. And I didn't ask the questions. But I do like the space they might dive into those. Yes. I was thinking it might be just a fun thing to do between races like a tamper or something, get ten people on there who are watching this and talk about the upcoming one and then be like, okay guys, got to go. Promote the product, talk a little about it. And then you know you're not stuck for too long because you can't be. Exactly. Or I just leave on hold. That'd be good. CJ Johnson, you're in charge for the next 5 minutes. I have to learn this field. That would have been another bad part. It's like between the races. I'm just sitting there memorizing names like, you know, somebody could be talking. They're going mayor Asheville mayor Asheville mayor Asheville, doing the whole 9 yards. It was funny speaking of race called Travis won the best race call war traps mutual friend of both of ours. And it said on the press release for the award it said, what more could a race caller ask for than four horses across the track in the biggest race of the year and I set Travis a message? I said, I know you can ask for a lonely leader in a strung out field. What's the stress of that? Four horses across the track. Travis was like he goes, you're the only one that knows. Yeah, no, no, no, I definitely between you and him have heard a lot of interesting takes on what? And I think in some ways do you think every announcer or race caller feels the same or do you think some prefer more action? Does that mean to me, I know it's easier and a sense that you're not going to miss horses, but to me when you have those 5 horse fields you kind of run out of stuff to say. I mean, I remember when Michael Ronald tell a story to CNN. Yeah, to some degree we're joking a little bit because it's definitely less stressful when a racist strung out and there's a FrontRunner that's coaxed and you can kind of chill out..
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"That stir last year. But he is lovable in a lot of respects and he does these things on the field that make you think he is a happy go lucky fun guy. And it seems like a lot of his teammates have very nice things to say about him. But presumably not opponents he is punched in. Yeah. Yeah, and it's tricky. I think that we can maybe and we don't know that this was what was at play. I think you can understand the context that might lead someone to behavior like this without excusing it, but it is important to sort of understanding it. And I don't know if you've been DFA, maybe that, you know, shakes you and puts you on your back foot from a mood perspective. But yeah, he can't you can't bunch someone without don't punch people, first of all, we can stop at that. We don't really need to qualify, but if you're going to engage in punching in the baseball context switch, you know, some baseball players seem really motivated to do despite us thinking that it was that it's not the best way to resolve conflict. It's generally best for people to have a sense that you're coming because you can really hurt someone that way. It's good that that doesn't seem to have happened here, but don't cold cock someone, that's bad. All right, so let's get to today's topic. The Hall of Fame ballot was released today Monday and I need some help here because any day now before the end of the month, I will be getting a Hall of Fame ballot in my mailbox for the first time ever. I got the email today, notifying me that my ballot was mailed or was going to be mailed today. I am eligible for the first time. I've been a member of the baseball writers association for ten years now. So my privilege as part of that is that if I want to, I can vote on the Hall of Fame. And my inner 12 year old is pretty pumped about this. Yeah. My outer 34 year old is sort of hoping the ballot gets less in the mail somehow. So I genuinely do not know what to do. And I don't mean that I'm like kind of conflicted, but really I've made up my mind already and I just want someone to endorse my decision. I really have not made a decision and I could use some advice from you from the listeners from anyone who wants to weigh in here. And we talked a little bit about the issues with Hall of Fame voting these days last year, and episode 1640, we had a couple of philosophy professors on to talk to us about the ethics of Hall of Fame voting, but this is really real to me now. And I guess it's a year closer to being real for you. And I'm pretty conflicted here. I don't want to sound super self serious and act as if this is the weightiest moral decision anyone has ever wrestled with because I think baseball writers can be a bit precious about this at times. Not naming any names. But in the grand scheme of things, the Hall of Fame ballot doesn't matter that much. But this is a baseball podcast, so most of what we talk about doesn't matter that much. So I basically picked the worst possible time to enter the voting body. I mean, my timing is the opposite of impeccable here. It's like the Donald Glover in community meme where he walks into the room with the pizza and he's smiling and then the room is on fire. That is me work again with my first ever Hall of Fame ballot in the final year of eligibility for Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, semi Sosa and Kurt Schilling. The first year of eligibility for Alex Rodriguez and David Ortiz. And of course, you have the lockout potentially contributing to a dearth of other baseball news. So December might just be like Hall of Fame all the time. That will not be the most pleasant discourse. I don't think. So this is basically like I'm the contestant on who wants to be a millionaire who's torn between two answers. And so I'm using a couple of lifelines today. I'm phoning a friend that you and I am asking the audience and I'm not going to necessarily abide by anyone else as a opinion about what I should do here, but I do value anyone else's opinion about what I should do here because this is not necessarily what I envisioned. Yeah. I thought about voting for the Hall of Fame to the extent that I ever thought I would. Like, once I was in the BBW a and I started looking ahead and said, oh, hey, you know, ten years down the road. I could potentially vote for the Hall of Fame. That's kind of cool and I can have a little impact on history here and I can join the rich tradition of baseball writers voting on the Hall of Fame and I care about baseball history. And in theory, it's sort of a fun activity to participate in. But a little less fun now and I know I'm not the only writer who shares that opinion. So basically it's like, you know, I always envisioned that this would be about picking who were the best baseball players. That's kind of always what I thought the Hall of Fame was not the museum portion, which is separate, of course, but the plaque part, the part where we decide is this guy Hall of Famer or not and he gets to have his plaque in the room. That to me was always about, well, were you one of the best baseball players ever, and it was basically only about that more or less. And now it is not only about that. And I don't know whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, but it is definitely different. And so when I was looking ahead to this, I was like, you know, I can be in on the next 11 or Tim raines or Larry walker. You know, I can support those candidates who maybe deserve or support than they get. And I can prevent or help prevent a future snub of an archaeon or a Bobby gricar and Alan Trammell or a Kenny Lofton someone like that. You know, I can cast my righteous vote for the saber metrically supported candidate. And now, well, I guess it would be fun to vote for Scott Roland. But beyond that, almost every legitimate candidate has some sort of controversy associated with them that makes it bigger than just baseball than just the stats. Yeah, just the numbers and just the jaws score. And so it's a different exercise and when that I feel more ambivalent about than they expected that I would. Well, perhaps we can start with a couple of sort of ideological questions that might help you to put some bumpers on this. Because I think that there are a couple of things that as a voter you need to answer for yourself and perhaps first and foremost, well, do you want to do the character stuff now? Or would you like to save it for a second question? Well, it all comes down to the character stuff, I suppose. I guess so. It depends what your other question is. I don't know. Let's start with a question that is relevant both to some returning candidates and also to some of the newcomers. So have you developed your opinion of where performance enhancing drugs factor into your ballot? Well, 'cause I think there are a couple of ways that you can go about this. I have always thought that Jay's approach, Jay jaffe's approach to this is sort of a reasonable one, right? Where he sort of bifurcates the group between those whose association with PEDs was part of what he dubs the wild west period right before there was a collectively bargained policy, the one that we know now that governs enforcement..
Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Hopefully whatever it was will be topped sometime this weekend but does any game. We've already seen just because the season series has been so much fun. What stands out in either of your minds. Talk men pools yet. That was a that was like a fun series. Just generally but the dodgers almost one on a walk off and mike tuchman climbed the wall I don't know how far you got over the wall but that was a home. Run in it then. It wasn't and then the giants won in extra innings. But that was like an amazing moment. Just like literally made you yell while watching it from either side really so it was it was it was good. It was the moment where albert poo hits the ball. And you see the plan of vol you see how he drops the bat. You are primed to experience this. Well okay get them tomorrow and so to go from that because it was already a gut punch before that the giants entered that inning. Was i think yeah may twenty eight in so they had entered the ninth inning with a lead and a three run lead a huge lead. They should have just walked through that ninth-inning there were already reeling. From austin. barnes tying the game up and then it was like all right. Well now. it's over that's it and to go from that and then immediately going into the extra innings in building another big lead. That was the signature a i. Don't i mean look. I know we should be hyping up this series if anything is half as exciting as that game will be just ridiculous game so the sad news for all of us. Is that one of these teams. Have to emerge. Victorious cannot remain tied at the top of the standings forever and one of them will have to play in a wildcard game and so putting a less fun question to both of you which is of the teams that are sort of reasonably in the field. Which team do you think your your team. That's such a mean way for me to put this to be raiders. You right objectively. But which the teams that are sort of reasonably in the field. Would you feel the most and the least confident facing in a one game plan grant would start with you. I do so okay. We're going to let's see. I'm assuming the brewers obviously they're going to be in so we're talking one of the east teams the reds the cardinals. I really think that the cardinals they're one of the teams the teams that have won more games against the giants this year. The giants of losing record against the cardinals and it feels like the cardinals are due to hit the giants in the nose. And the giants had the travis ishikawa homerun They had marcus guterro in the rain. Even before that. You had a kenny. Lofton and david bell in two thousand two before that. The cardinals were jerks. The cardinals were the ones knocking him. Nineteen eighty-seven and so there's been this weird push in pull of with that in. I'm a narrative guy. Because i don't really understand how the world actually works so i have to scrub a narrative to invent it and it just feels like this would be the year that the cardinals punched the giants in the nose. I think for the dodgers it's I'm torn on this. I mean i agree. I'm assuming the brewers are comfortably in the division series at this point so in a wildcard game the dodgers can beat the padres. Maybe it's either the reds offense or like facing the phillies with zack wheeler. Basically i think the phillies is probably the toughest just. Because you might have to face wheeler but it's yeah it's a tough one just the whole the one game playoff is just gonna be screwy and it's about who can set up. What like i i would imagine given where the dodgers and giants are at whichever team is is headed for. The wild card can probably set up their rotation the way they want Heading into that or at least more than the second wildcard team. So maybe that's an advantage plus hosting it. But i'm not looking forward to any sort of one game playoff at all. Yeah i was gonna ask whether you think either of these teams is like particularly well setup for october or particularly ill equipped for october assuming they get by the wildcard game in into an actual playoff round. And you know we could debate what it actually means to be built for october. Or whether there is such thing but i guess typically you're talking about like top of your rotation in the back of your bullpen and maybe there's some extra value to contact hitting lineup. I'll speaking equal so. I wonder whether you think that Either of these teams is sort of positioned to make a deep run with the obvious caveat. That any team any time could make a deep run. Maybe the giants showed us multiple times last decade after watching. The brewers like that to me is the classic template of a team that i don't wanna face them. They have the three headed monster at the top of the rotation they have the bullpen depth. You have just just. They seem like the team that not only can do that. Oh here's andrew miller for three innings figured out suckers but they also have like the we've got lots of come we've got caned we've got bombarded like that they can throw both those at you and i get that. They're not a powerhouse as far as their lineup. They're still pretty darn good. So the brewers. I think are the template. I don't think the giants are that. They're more of a depth. More of a sneaky. Kind of thing. I i don't know if they're especially built for the postseason i like the way. The dodgers are set up sort of like their bueller. Sherzer leading the rotation is is fine. I mean it's great but like they. They still need clayton kershaw back. I think he's Where is he now. he's he's probably like just to winning simulated game coming this weekend so he might not even be like sort of ready to be a starter until like the last two weeks of the season and that's a lot to ask to be all of a sudden ready. Maybe maybe he can be. I don't know he's he hasn't really pitched much since july third. So that's an issue. But they do have. Julio who's also twenty two twenty three innings over his career high for any season already. And i think it would be. It would behoove them to have urea..
The Short Porch
"kenny lofton" Discussed on The Short Porch
"They can go fuck themselves. Dude his meltdown. He had saturday. Night was legit like concerning. I know they. I know they won. Today they pulled it out asked sherry still even believe they want. But i mean that was quite the weekend. There was a glimmer of hope to. I know that up winning the game. But when i saw that play in the first inning. The mets the swing bundled literally. I was like the world is getting a little bit back to normal like the actresses or realigning on this earth. Just a little bit and it would have been really nice. They got swept but it would just a little nicer all right. All right. maybe this world so crazy. After all the mets the mets again. I don't get fucked with the i. Don't care what the it against the pirates of vogues of the steep like h tanks. Let him implode he will be. He'll be upset even if they sweep team. So let let them rot I wanna talk about his tweet to so it was. Just how do you get off of glass. Oh my god that came out of the blue with what's going what's going on the wanna be because we know that he bites his glasses when he gets mad so we must have had gum in his mouth started biting his glasses. And there you go. He's the best. He said a stressful four days with the ball on thursday night. And then the mets blow away at tj was a first on the cedar. Those crazy I wanna talk about the yankees. New superstar who now superstars surpassed puts. Greg allen is like the fact that greg allen was in the minor leagues this whole year like doing all this shit and they had the audacity did not call him up. Meanwhile we gotta deal with guys like ryan. Lamar tyler wade in the outfield. The castro for a little bit greg. Our like knows what he's doing like all these at bats these putting up this weekend were excellent one bad bet on friday. He missed the home run by a few feet and later doubled down the line. Hit a number double on saturday. Today he was awesome. I mean where if we go another game here were. Brett gardner is starting centerfield. And greg allen's not. I'm gonna freak fucked like there's no reason on earth greg allen should be starting centerfield brett gardner next option to start center. Greg allen should be started. that's that's the z. Right there on the definition of a spark block. You look up spark plug in dictionary. You see greg. Alan doughty's slap hitter hit and run fast. Good fielder i. I love greg. He he greg. Allen is such a name where it sounds like an mlb touquet like when they couldn't use barry bonds and they would make up a fake name like it. Sounds like it'd be greg allen like i know madden does chad masters bill As the for whatever reason a greg. Alan sounds like a fake. Make apply or in a video game. I loved a-rod comparing to kenny. Lofton today just immediately. What three games end getting compared to kenny. Lofton But now i mean he should be starting centerfield. I can't believe what talked about. Gregg how he's loss but it's just crazy big about it's on correct. Give up somebody khanna significant for him. I remember us mocking them. Trading for greg allen earlier didn't write somebody like no trade an actual person for him. I think it just the announcement of greg. alan combat. Timing or something yeah. It came after either someone signs someone big signs somewhere and it was like oh maybe it was before they signed. Dj them for james reeves. Yes so it was before they brought back. Dj i think that that matches up and it was like yeah. We traded or something like that. It's like well what the fuck but right now man like a very often. Every time he came up to the plate. He's a switch header. He's a speed demon. He brings speed to the yankees a team. That's just punch of like john. Carlos stands. You just can't move. Oh did beat out of grammar double play ball that Square to run. Today i was shocked. but greg allen man. I can't say enough about i'm enamored by greg. Alan and i refused to watch. Brett gardner play over this man. Moving forward plan supple phrase. I know we say this every week but all the yankees outfielders that have gone down and brecca honors is still standing. Nothing can nate a-rod retire midseason of come front office analysts they should make gardner tirmizi's and become the team's trainer he would ever he's doing is working he's just the team's head train. I feel like this is the first time we've suggested this idea to and it. Just it just makes more sense every time you say like what are we doing. Why like it really is a presser. He doesn't get hurt. I don't understand that job so part of the reason. This team was so decimated here. And we have greg allen. Come up here and trey hamburger who. I'm pretty sure teacher. You said that sterling just refuses to pronounces name correctly. Yeah it's amburgey. He just wouldn't stop saying amber gay over and over and over again on the on. The radio call and like susan was pronouncing directly agreed bully. Susan was pronouncing it correctly in response to him and then he'd be like yep great wbap amber gay and was like that i mean. What are we doing. John never so-called. That's the classic like broadcast like that. We got taught at fordham like if the other announcer says the guy's name wrong. You don't like outright correct him. You just like say the name correctly in response and hope the other. The announcer picks up on it. John sterling just refuses to pick up. Oh yeah you. Don't tell john sterling bid be game like absolutely not and maybe in between innings off air. But yeah i mean that's not going to happen. The part of the reason You know and hoy part puck finally up here. They refused to play him. But he's here. He got one at that. You played on friday Timberlake astro r. p. tortoiseshell poor guy to and what he had to do me. A great play ended up a coal got out and he's able to get the ball in. I think he finished the inning. Actually out there torn. Acl he's done A the and on top of all that. The covert stuff Which almost forgot about. Like when i really but judge geo. Gosh yoka juan de lasagna. There one more guy ster nestor. Oh how do i forget. What's he doing. Fucking guys getting colder. Stay inside windy. You'd think like he. You act like wanted something different than the other team but should use. He was probably the spreader. Meese probably wasn't had of all over. It is crazy. I mean not to get deeper. Like i thought they're all backs aidid. I don't know if they just got the wrong back team. Johnson but i mean the fact that the yankees are like the only team in baseball this year. It feels like that has a covert outbreak. This latest look. I mean no. This is their second..
Jay Bird Watching
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Jay Bird Watching
"I not too low. But landon offense i. You're going to be waiting for that. Other domino to drop and does going to be like a two thousand and fifteen us. Anything pitching wins world series if two thousand twenty has taught us anything pitching wins world series or you can lose a playoff game with pitching or how you manage it. So i just heard me compare this to the The the one thousand ninety five world series which was the marlins indians. it was literally gone pitching. I the manny ramirez albert. Bell 'isms of kenny lofton. That lineup was unstop off. Jim thome just throw another monster bat and there but don't worry about it. That's the kind of thing we're heading toward to your point. You have to. You have to get pitching so no nelson. Cruz is not fit in this team. Portraying trent though aren't you can fleece the twins to get crews returned thorn every single day of my life. I would make that so on that point though. You think the nelson cruz thing is that money thing with the twins. Possible trade for breathe. I think the real trick. Yeah there you go. I'm going to let you go without brennan. Seen you brought up the name. Yeah yeah posed burritos. I'll trade to get a starter of baristas caliber or whoever. It is marquez. I'll take on anybody's contract at this point. And that's what they should be doing. They other financial flexibility to do sell and be like. Hey yeah we'll take all twenty million or twenty five million dollars of this guy to get them off the books as long as you give us this guy who we actually want. So yeah the atom to your point if it is just thornton. I'm doing that trade like a thousand times out of a thousand like there's no way i'm saying no and figure it out later. See how nelson cruz gets his at bats like and even if it is part like if if it is with the ultimate Goal of getting. Jose barea said crews has to come with them. We're not saying no to that either because we just added another incredible bat to the lineup to go along with strengthening the pitching staff so yeah burritos marquez. Two guys who kind of fit that mold where you can trade and take on a whole bunch of different Dead money from teams are just be like a what contract you want the books as long as it lowers the prospect capital going back to the other team which which it helps. It definitely does like. That's how they got anna in a way in two thousand sixteen. They took on all of his money and they only have to give up on and it came with two prospects to go with it back to toronto as well and a three to one so they can get creative..
Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
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Touchdown tuten took greg olson a dark thrown tight end and the panthers find the end zone for the first time today. You're listening to foul territory. This is sports overnight america. Everybody welcome back in. It is foul territory on sports night. America rich with you from phoenix arizona. Remember you can catch the foul territory. Program live at ten. Pm pacific time seven nights a week but you get yours truly jeff rich and gender rich monday through thursday This hour we are hanging out with riley on our correspondent from the bay area specifically san francisco california and ryan. This is the first part of the by the numbers segment. We're going to start at the number one versus starting yet. Zero or double zero and We heard tyler. Murray and cam newton newton coming back from the break. And it's really for as known a number as it is ryan It's surprising how few number ones we really have across sports. Especially when you know. The cardinals are playing the miami dolphins in twenty twenty. And were saying well. This is the best matchup of number ones at the quarterback position. Ever because you think back you're like well surely cam newton played against and then you look in The really no other number ones during his time with carolina Then you think back to warren moon and Who were the other number ones to play when warren moon played probably Punters and kickers. I think that it would be a more. Prominent number of receivers and running. Backs were allowed to wear it ryan. Yeah i guess so. Yeah i mean things have things have definitely changed as far as like You know when you when you think about the dynamics of sports and the players and how they have the holiday by the drafted or how. They've ended up with the team that they've been on. Yeah so Put together a little list of just the ones that i could remember offhand oscar robertson. Who i never watched play one of the more dynamic players in nba history. I think that It would be nice if we could have seen him play in a more recent era of just because of all the things that he was able to do. And you hear about the other triple doubles Sounds a lot like ben simmons except that bins then simmons You know doesn't shoot well and and viggo was able to do that. I've got Ozzie smith you'll one player one moment in time in major league baseball longtime shortstop the sailors cardinals Warren moon now again I know i remember quarterback for the houston oilers. Course he played for. Minnesota are minnesota and seattle as well Anyone off the top of your head that you could think of that. I didn't mention there as far as why. What number one draft pick or while the players were the number one guy. That is a good question. You know what. I can't even you know i. Yeah i i can't even i can't even think of it to be honest because like you said when i think of number zero Currently i think the guys like you know gaming lillard or gilbert arenas he were you know he were zero. I mean it's just. I think again there there. Just aren't that many guys that wore number one be good example the giants right there. I mean even going. Back to new york jeffer- leonard probably most famously wars zero. I don't know if you remember double girl over. Yeah i know. I over who. Yeah so i mean and and all three all. Three years of the giants had zero was eighty four. Eighty seven eighty eight with jeffrey leonard. Being the the ladder there. Lots of one's going back to new york And notably just just players whose names look familiar Mike l. jetty in one thousand nine hundred eighty six Dave martinez and ninety three ninety four glenallen hill in ninety five and ninety six. And then you're going to recognize the names that are a lot more. Recent cody ransom armando rios kenny. Lofton for the time that he was there in two thousand two Travesty chicago benjamin. Lena in two thousand seven through two thousand nine. Jose gideon warrant As a member of the Of the world champion giants also venue war that year as well and then it's a little less stellar voice. Recently gregor blanco in twenty eighteen. Kevin lar in twenty nineteen. And i'd be lying. If i said i could tell you anything about marie ceo. I'm guessing he late last year..
Jay Bird Watching
"kenny lofton" Discussed on Jay Bird Watching
"I don't want to bury the lead but you know with with him in another addition in addition the pitching staff. Then i feel confident. In saying look we are at the raise level or a little bit exceeding it I think where prob. If i'm being honest with myself right and i again i hate to be that guy. I just don't know that right. Now we'd we'd win a seven game series against the raz mostly because the starting pitching that we lack offensively it would probably be a high scoring game. I it'd probably be a home run derby but it just who scores the most at that point on maybe if is trotting out game one you feel confident in there but after that it's kind of toss up as it stands right now so i'm a little uncomfortable saying that we're at the raise level. I disagree with that. I'd say we're about at yankee level right now. In terms of hallen in matching on. And i would put the blue jays right now. I think i series could go seven against the i don't even get is at this point. They do play well. That's for sure they have had their last year's outside the rays last year we had the american league is that you know the orioles play so but is i have a good time for you and i'm just going to throw this out here. Who recalls the nineteen ninety-five cleveland indians. Running all the way to the world series nothing but manny ramirez in. Our ballot is weighing at team. Didn't have a ton of pitching and found ways to bludgeon people to tap as far as it goes i looking at this lineup. Anxiety was pulling it off without my head. I couldn't remember who the heck was actually all in that lineup. Forget to go with it but eerily similar in some of the fashion and kenny lofton leading off. Which is you know more or less. I'm going to compare him to what we get when bogus shot more or less. Right speeds speedy player hits vol solid. Gets everything going and kevin video right there. You got those two guys equal in that and then you had manny ramirez rbis scall- jim thome and albert bell really rounded that out. You can make the argument that this lineup looks very scary..
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Aaron Boone ejected for arguing with umpire
"Aaron Boone has been rejected for the New York Yankees. Jordan Zimmermann has gone final. We we in the six year Jordan Zimmermann of the Tigers has gone five innings of no hit ball. So far. He has only walked Giancarlo Stanton that is the only based round or the Yankees have had Tigers lead three, nothing. Aaron Boone just got down in the catcher's crouch at home plate to demonstrate a pitch was that he did not like called a strike on Giancarlo Stanton. So Aaron Boone is going to have himself in early shower. We'll keep you updated on a no hitter alert.