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Chris Jericho's Rock & Wrestling Rager - Behind The Seanes

Talk Is Jericho

1:34:46 hr | 2 years ago

Chris Jericho's Rock & Wrestling Rager - Behind The Seanes

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And here we go, Chris Jericho's rock and wrestling ranger at sea set sail on Saturday. This Saturday, it's been a long time coming, but it's here at last. So just to make sure everyone's ready for the greatest vacation of their lives for the two thousand people that are going to be on board, Jack Slade back on Dhaka's Gericault to help me tell the story of how this history making event came to be, how it almost didn't come to be. As a matter of fact, lots of stuff happening. We actually even lost our ship at one point. Just one of the stories you're going to hear. I talked to Paul Stanley for advice throughout the cruise process, three years in the making. By the way. Like I said, another story about to here, I'll tell you exactly how it was able to get the young bucks, Kenny omega the whole seat of honor tournaments participate in the cruise and what led to impact wrestling join estrin Tom with that and wait to hear what it took to get a wrestling ring installed on the ship involved, a team of engineers, so many great stories about this crew's coming up who was booked from the star. Who dropped out who was added in last minute, who wanted to be there no matter what so many stories to talk about Chris Jericho's rock and wrestling ranger, behind the scenes get it. And there's so many great ways to listen to talk is Jericho. Apple podcasts, of course, Google Amazon, spart speakers, and you can now even find it some Spotify as well. So go ahead and subscribe. If you don't ready and please leave us a rating and review and please get ready buckle up, put on your life jackets, let's get to Jack Slade is back to help me tell the story, Chris Jericho's rock and wrestling razor behind the scenes. Let's do it. So we just sitting down and do this podcast the day, and the share Jack sitting in was not very comfortable, and there's a big of a lounge chair, and I said, was bolted to the ground and you said, no, it was just heavy. And what happened there used to stand up and move it with one finger effectively. That's exactly what happened, but at least now you're in a nice chair is a very nice job. Good. I almost feel that you should deserve this chair. I'm a little. I'm higher up here. Yes, higher up in the billing. As I look up the Chris Jericho crews lineup, and we're going to talk about that today. I thought it'd be very interesting to do a whole podcast book kind of how this whole cruise thing came together. Yeah, and Jack, I didn't. I I could have done it myself. You could have put. It's always good to have have you involved. Thank you. As my podcast co host compare, yes side kick if you will, I will take it. What did they say in the godfather? The cog cog. Listen this theory or something like that. I don't know. I've never seen the godfather. I haven't either. So he. So while you're ever seen the godfather, what do they call? What is James Caan in the godfather? He's something he's like the godfather. No, he's not the godfa I can tell you have never seen the gone. Godfather, his Marlon Brando of course. Yes. Those famous role, I know that. Yeah, but there's a guy who's like his right hand man. His Co. captain so to speak. And I can't remember that is so please send us your opinions and who the guy's name is his official title. So here we are. We're going to sale. This weekend is coming up very quick. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's basically if this airs wanna think is gonna either tomorrow or this Saturday, one of the two because we're taping this a few few weeks beforehand and I can't believe that we're actually sailing because dude, it's been three years of putting this together. Jack, that's been pretty hectic. Yeah, pretty hectic, three years. And you might ask me, how did this come into your mind on my and I will. How did it come into your mind? Something which I've been wanting to ask you seconds. That's a good question. So we did the kiss cruise, two thousand fifteen and Fosse played it, and it was such a great time not just. From us edition standpoint, you play your gig, you have three shows and assigning you play your gig and then you go, you wake up in your cabin shows up for four PM. You walk downstairs. You go player, show you finish up. You come upstairs, you take a shower and you go to the casino the bar, whatever it is, and that's it. So I've done a cruise before, so that's, that's that's very artist. You're there, you don't travel. That's great. You don't have to get in the bus and we just hung out the whole time and just had some drinks and has some fun. And then from a fan standpoint, being huge kiss fan, it's nonstop. Kiss. All music in the hallways is kissed him as the speaker enough. It's kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, right? So I was thinking the moment that the boat docked. In Miami after the cruise is done. I called Mark Willis who's Fosse's manager. One of my partners and said, I wanna do my own crews. I wanted to Chris Jericho cruise, that's based around music and wrestling CR amend are actually, it must have been around the kiss cruise time at him, obviously, must have been after I review tweeting and you put up a poll. I vividly remember this and he said, you know, how would you guys feel if I. Other, whether you said if I were to or if there was to be a cruise centered around music and wrestling. Right, and that might have been something that that the promotion company asked me to do the cruise company? Yeah, I just did it on my own. I probably did it on my own just as maybe it was. It was a long time ago, but I remember you doing it vividly. So the company that's so it's, I'm like, the, I guess you'd say kind of a promoter, but the company that that basically runs the cruise, no sixth man as I had six s I x t h they go sixth man with. Through thick men with. So they're the ones that do the kiss cruise. They do kid rock Walking Dead, you know, Leonard Skinner and all these cruises, these things Walking Dead crews. There's a Walking Dead cruiser really. Would you like to go on it? I wouldn't mind. Okay. Kind of fun. I guess you know if you're into the Walking Dead, if not, you might be a little, you know, not interested in, especially we didn't know what you get into. Exactly, but you do know what you get into the Walking Dead crews. So they do a lot of this sort of stuff. So they're the the company that we went to I because coincidentally, Mark Willis had a relationship with the head of six man because they're based in Atlanta. I'll perfect. Okay. So we basically started early on with pitching this idea and once again, this is now it's a thing it was. This was not a thing. It had never been done before, go into my Lonzo so there's never been done before crazy. Some really wacky that we hadn't even seen ever before. So that's where we started pitching it to Mark really got a couple of. Meetings and you know, we started working out the details of what exactly would this be? And my thought process was I want it to be an extension of talk. Is Jericho like talk is Jericho at seat, which basically everybody's listening knows that my pockets, very diverse. There's wrestling, there's music, there's comedy, there's paranormal. There's, you know everything in between and I wanted it to be like that as opposed anything that you find the interesting exactly if I, if I imagine then then it's then most of my fan base is interested in it as well because I didn't want it to be just a wrestling crews, and I didn't want to be another version of ship rock because the thing with the kiss is that's very beneficial to me was that kiss doesn't have fifty bands. It's kiss as that cruise was still Pat. Their lead afford Fawzy and maybe dead daisies and like a couple of cover bands. So there's only six or seven bands. So that's what I wanted to keep that template. And then. Do wrestling as well, and I done some arrests and crews in the nineties is called the Bruce cruise, which was w you and then deputy head one to the Russell vessel. That's right. Yes, yeah. But the bruise crews, there was no wrestling on it. It was just wrestlers doing like trivia games and panels and all that sorta shit, but no wrestling on it well, and I wanted to actually do wrestling at sea because when I saw like kiss kiss stages, massive. Yeah, and I just thought we could do this with wrestling like just kind of incorporate the too. So that's kind of word all started out with. And then as we started kind of getting into a bit more because they were interesting because they're looking six, van is looking thick man if looking for new franchises, because you know there are hard sell. The cruise, like themed cruise goes into it. So, yeah, it's going to be hard new idea anyway, you know, and like, kiss, you know, they just announced the end of the road to where we don't know how much longer kiss is going to do these cruises. Right? Walking Dead to get castle. You know, next week it's not going to, but eventually it will. So what do we do to continue the ball rolling new ideas? So I think they liked the concept of it, but didn't really know these people know nothing about wrestling. So I had to explain to them, you know, about the wrestling culture, which I told them as a lot like Star Wars and kiss people are very loyal, but they hate everything, but they'll go to the end of the earth to make it fair enough. Yeah, right. Yeah, absolutely. So then as we started kind of getting into a little bit more sort of thinking, well, how, what kind of like, what am I gonna put together on this cruise, wrestling wise, like I'm not a Booker, like I can't sign somebody to the crews because they might get hurt or they might go to the WB. So I need to get specific company. You know, there's a company involved because that way, just the name value of the company alone, not even mattering who's involved individually. The name should be enough like a branding brand. So my top three, because then we started doing surveys if we did a wrestling crews, who would you want to see in the the various into surveys on the sort of and the three that I gave them was annexed, see Ray of honor and Lucia underground, and then you can put pro wrestling guerrilla on there as well. PWG I think. Yeah, I think I've seen remember that being on that and I'm like, PWG's not really a thing. They don't have their own guys signed to it, but it's an option. It's it's also a cults enough following it would be enough right brand name. And my thing was, you know these, these fans are like him on this is before all in right before Madison Square Garden sells out with new Japan. And regardless before Alvis omega at the Tokyo dome, say, I'm really kinda pitching something that a lot of people don't know about that. There's this ring of honor, the really devoted fans. And so the annex t is the devil because they all want. Can we get w? I'm like, well, no, you can't get done. 'cause if WBZ's going to do a cruise, do not going to do it with me. They're going to do it themselves. Oh, with lex Luger and yokozuna or something. On a battleship. Oh yeah. So I took it and x t I went and had a meeting with hunter and Philadelphia. Remember I call Mr. could we have a meeting this week and and I just explained him, here's my idea. I want do a rock and wrestling crews. And just like I said, I can't book individual guys because as a say, one of the things I was thinking like I needed to main event. One we're gonna do that. Maybe Chris Jericho versus Ramos stereo, she'll that'd be a great man event for this cruise. Like, do we do one match three matches and then just got too far into my head. So I, I need to get the company. So talking triple h and x t and he was kind of into it fairly cool about it. And. Hooked me up with his assistant and then kind of a bunch of other people. Right. And I think he told me that Vince isn't really into doing cruise. He doesn't like them, she'll. But I said, well, annex different ball of wax. That might be something kind of cool for your guys give get a vacation. It was. I didn't think they're going to go for it, but doing the due diligence that I should be doing because I was working for WB at the school and knowing that they could probably shut this down if they want to somehow. So it took them, I think a month and a half to get back to me. And there was like a meeting they got moved and got moved moved. And meanwhile six men was now into this concept of at least doing some surveys to see if they wanted to get involved. So they could tell it was at least the reaction to is there some interest in, right? So after six weeks, I remember was in LA at at a hotel down in in Burbank, right off of pass avenue. I can't remember this. Call this. A Fisk begins with an, you'll know if you see it and I got in the car. Fiscal me Willis and three people from exceed and they went through this spiel. The call is forty two minutes long. And at the thirty nine minute Mark, they said, you know, so basically we're gonna pass. And I was like, like, why did you take thirty nine forty minutes? You should just called and after two minutes. So you're going to pass. I know you're gonna pass, right? I know you are and they're like, Vince doesn't like cruises. And I found out that he didn't let cruises because he read somewhere that one cruise people got food poisoning on it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, did happen. And he was convinced that every cruise people get food poisoning. Oh, okay. And I was like, like like, are you scared that we're going to hit an iceberg to on the way to events? He just doesn't get it. Doesn't want to do it once again, if he's going to do a cruise, it's not going to be with me. So they passed after forty minutes and I'm like, thank goodness. I called Chris Daniels. Can you give me the number of wherever's in charge of. Ring of honor. You gave me a hundred Johnston's number. Who's the Booker? I call hunter, told him what I was thinking. He put me on the line with Greg Gila Landers like the business manager. And I think later on that day in about two hours, they agreed they wanted to do it that quickly. It kinda shows when someone already wants to do something. Yes. Okay. Now I have a concept. I have the company and I just need the band. Who am I going to get to to be on this cruise? In the meantime, six-man sent out a survey and they said, I said, what do you need? Like? What's it good response to the serve? And they said, well, in like in ten days, we want to have five thousand people. I said, I'll get you ten thousand and that's when we started the hard sell like click here to sign up for information or if you wanted formation about the cruise. Yeah, right. So. Today, doubt. Sorry, to into day Dow that you could get ten thousand? Yes. I don't think that really get said they don't know anything about wrestling and they don't anything about me and my promotional tools on my fan base. Yeah, that sort of thing, right. So we start putting the survey out there and I'm getting updates three thousand now five thousand. In fact, the final day was when you and I went and see ACDC at Madison Square Garden. Oh yeah. Okay. If you remember earlier that day I had you might not remember because I don't remember where you were, but I met you downstairs in the bar? Yes, because I was upstairs having this. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, right. Six man. Yeah. And we got. We got nine thousand eight hundred fifty two or whatever. We didn't get ten thousand, but we got double what they expected. It was going to be okay. So. Which they're very excited about and they start getting all the information back in this, that and the other thing Billy's here don't forget. Yeah, someone knocked on the door. Interlude until dude. Do do. Just us up? No, knock on the door. I think Billy dropped something in the bathroom or something like that that made you think there's somebody at the door. What. Oh, you drop the soap, maybe get your mind out of the shower. Sorry back. Yeah, so, yeah. So that was kind of the survey was out, and the response was in. So there are now getting a little bit more excited about this, then I'm thinking, who can I get to headline this cruise? And I was thinking like, I thought Alice Cooper now I said to Shep Gordon like I've got this cruise, what is also make for cruises and he's like, well, he makes like you know, three hundred grand and I'm like, okay, maybe not really not cause a secret is like I have to pay for the budget of talent. Six men pays all expenses of the boat, but the talent is paid for Jericho. Probably a lot of people don't realize they don't want to. That's my investment. Yeah, right. So I'm looking at Papa Roach wanted ridiculous amount of money and don't call me in the house Cooper. He might make a million, but it was some kind of ridiculous that I couldn't even think about a fury. 'cause I thought Chris Jericho presents the Jericho cruise with ring of honor and Alice Cooper. That's a sell out right off the bat, obviously, because you think it's going to be so easy, right? And then Papa Roach ridiculous, alter bridge stone sour. Like all these band. Shinedown they want so much money. So I call Paul Stanley and I asked him as advice because obviously, Paul and Jean have done a lot of cruises, not many other people could do that in your position. Right. And this is not namedrop him because there's a point to it and I asked Paul, like, what should I do? And he said, he said, we base our crews around kiss and even more so than every. So this new cruise, we got a Beatles tribute band zeppelin, trivia ban. It doesn't matter who else we bring on board. It's kisses crews, and that's it. Now this cruiser Brandes Fraley and Bob queuing brisket that's the kiss universe. Yes, that's gonna make more excited. But if it's just kiss and like, you know, Jack Slade junkie bits, the still going to sell out. Now you've revealed money project. There's going to be a secret. There's a band in Winnipeg called GOP chunky bits. Oh, really? That's why I used it. Are they come into the show there around the early eighties? I think Joe puke might not be with us, and I think one or two chunky bits are still alive. Great. Yeah. Show puke still alive more power to you. I'm not. I'm not trying to thirty bad Mo-jo on you made him one of these days. So I just like, you know what? I I called Willis it. So we're going to pull a rod Smallwood with iron maiden. And what that meant by that is a nineteen three. They're going into tour for peace of mind and Smallwood booked arenas. And they said, you'll never fill arenas desire and me, and they're not big enough. You said, well, we're going to give it a try. We're not playing clubs anymore. Theaters are playing arenas and they booked arenas and lo and behold, they sold a shitload of tickets and became iron maiden. She'll legit arena headliner and I was like, I'm gonna put all the eggs in the Fosse basket because I'm not going to rip myself off. I'm not gonna know show myself and I'm not going to, you know. Ah, thought almost fell backwards through the almost lost me. I will. If I, if I do fall backwards to the window, Jack finish the podcast. Oh, okay, we'll do with you if you fall forward somehow, if a wind blows really hard light drift out the window. Yeah, exactly. You'll land like leaf back up in a few minutes to finish. So. Was the thing where it was like, okay, I'll put all the eggs in the basket in Jericho basket Fosse basket. And that's what I did. So and six van was like, well, okay. Are you sure. And I guess I'm sure my fan base will probably much rather see Fauzi than Papa Roach anyways. And so that's what we went into with Chris Jericho's rusting cruise with ring of honor and fuzzy headlining. It makes sense. Yeah, I mean really doesn't make sense. Why not right. And so that's the way we should try and do it. So six men finally agrees that we're going to give it a try, but the engine this is now for probably about a year into it now. Okay. So September October two thousand fifteen is when we did the kiss cruise, we're dealing from that time for him. So maybe this is now I don't know may of two thousand fifteen. Okay lines. And the idea was to go on sale in, I think, October and do the cruise in March of this year. March of eighteen. Eighteen? Okay. We're now September eighteen. So they now have to figure out how does this ring go on the boat actually. Yeah, that's quite a logistical. Yeah. How can we secure it to the deck? And I was like, what do you mean was too heavy is going to slide over the edge and like you had kisses stage on the deck like how can the ring be any anymore heavy than a kiss stage, but it didn't matter. So they actually had to get a team of engineers that I think I had to pay for. I can't even remember at this point a team which could be too, I don't know of engineers going on board the ship to see if they could secure it and sequester it and all this other. So they built a ring while they, they just had a ring or maybe they built a ring. I don't know. Okay. What's one hundred said was when they passed that there's anything I can do to help if you need me ship a ring to the boat, like whatever I can do. That's pretty cool. That was very cool about it, but then obviously ring of honor part of the deal is they have the ring guest, referees, another Reseau wanted a company. You guys bring everything you ring music, the whole spiel. If so, I don't know. Maybe if they had a ring ship down there or if they had one in New Orleans because at the time it was going to leave from New Orleans, I think Goto Jamaica. Okay. Okay. So they came back and said that, all right, you know the the ship can hold. The ring were ready to go ready to rock, you know? So or super excited. We've got the boat. The ring is great. So then I start looking for talent. Right? And we'll go through the talent roster individual. I'll tell you kind of the stories about that. She'll so we're supposed to go on sale. I want to say, like I said, we're supposed to go on sale for the March eighteen which tells me think we're supposed to go on sale. Let's say, may of seventeen. So almost a year. Yeah. To to go, yeah, yeah. And literally four days before we go on sale, I get a phone call, got some bad news what we lost our boat. What do you mean this from six men? Would it mean we lost their vote? We lost our boat. I don't understand like you can't find it or did a triangle triangle somebody. You can't find the parking space. What had happened was and this is not what they told me. What I surmise is that a corporate ab- large corporation in my mind is McDonald's approached Norwegian cruise line who's so Norwegian cruise line is the ship that we're on. We're on the North Korea. I think it was the Norwegian Pearl, right? Six vans the promoter Jericho's the talents. So six man's boss is basically Norwegian yet, and Norwegian came in and said, you know that boat that you're going to take for this little wrestling cruise thing. It's not available anymore. What do you mean? And what they basically told me is that it seems like maybe a McDonald's or a Walgreens, or whatever came in and said, we're doing a cruise view to ship to Norwegian Norwegian available, find one. We'll pay you five million dollars, whatever. Boom, this little rest and cruise thing that's hadn't even gone on sale yet. We don't know how it's going to do exactly is still new. Take take, take the boat and you know, tough luck to these guys. Dude, I was like this after a year of planning and calling and getting confirmation from dozens of talent. Yep. You know, like it will go through it, like I said, and like, what am I supposed to do? Like call these guys back the story. Please wait. We'll find another ship. We'll find another ship. They came back to east later with a smaller ship and like I don't want a smaller ship. I want this ship that we did the kiss cruise on because perception is reality. Rod Smallwood iron made. I want the biggest cruise ship because if not, it's not going to be as good and it's going to be a one off shit spare enough, right? Yeah, absolutely. They finally came back and said, we found the Norwegian Jade, which is the sister ship to the Norwegian Pearl because we were still trying to go in March, and I had told them stay away from wrestlemainia time because wrestlemainia this year was enor- liens. Oh yes. An people take trips to wrestlemanias it. We're trying to ask the double dip. It's just a bad time. Dila of money for people because well wide, but that's when it was available. So blessing in disguise. They came back and said, you can use the Norwegian Jade, but it has to go in October of eighteen. And at the time we're, like I said, may have seventeen. I was like, are you kidding me? Rehearsing in canton and the church for the may fogging. Okay. Yeah. I said it seemed like a lifetime away, but they're like, this is when it's available. It might actually be better because you have more time to sell. And I was like, well, at least it's away from us, o mania. And now it's leaving out of Miami, not New Orleans and New Orleans was a Newport. Miami's the tried to report, it's much more of a tourist area. We think this is the way to do it. And I said, well, I just have to coloring Avar and make sure there's they can still do it. They could then have to start going through all the talents and say, then that cruise that we're supposed to do in March. Now we're doing it in October. Did you have any problems with that? So I think we lost one of the original plans to have drowning pool on the ship is like a good co headlined with fuzzy, and I think we lost them, but that's about it pretty much everybody was into it with the Mike. If they, if they dropped out at this point that such a long time ago, I don't even remember, I suppose as a sign of people were would Jen. Into it? Well, I remember when when it was announced that discount furniture and keep it on one hundred because I can't believe there's all these people on. I thought it was just going to be like a few people that all this talent and he had a great job. He's like, we're putting this on sale in September of seventeen for October. Eighteen goes. Some people that by cabins won't be even be alive. Geez, I hope so. I said, well, yeah, but you know, it's a long way away, but but I don't think people realize what my vision for this was. Rock and roll wrestling cruise. Like, you know, it's going to be a bruise crews sort of thing. There's no way to prove it because hasn't been done. So it'd been done. I like my mind. Mindset always was I want matches on the boat at sea and like what the boat tip and us. I played in the middle of the ocean with Fosse in at eight o'clock at night with ocean breeze playing on Halloween, and if boat is not tipping back and forth, it's a cruise ship. It's very sturdy. There's horrible storm will. Then the last thing we have to worry about is the rest of the match anyway, because we're all gonna die. But other than that, I mean. Well, I mean, she said that. Which there won't be. It's going to be amazing weather. I've checked, but the the point is it's like, let's, you know, let's get this rolling, but everybody was into it. And I think that they thought the concept of it was cool. You know, because I had a lot of people basically doing me favors yet, no, so that's kind of where it all went. So we went on sale, September of two thousand seventeen in here. Rarely said days away, if not a day away. And as we're as we're filming this hour talking about this now recording it, we're ninety. Five percent sold, which I think at this point in time is basically a sell out if you rounded up. Yeah, because it's closest to a hundred. Yeah. If you're gonna if you're gonna round it up, it would be. Yeah, it would be and we're not exactly mathematicians, but we knew that absolutely not. So. Well, that was weird. We'll haven't come down the wrong pipe, took a sip and went Joan run. When I laughed about the, it went up my nose. Really. We've been. We, we went to dinner and we had some coke cocoon. Sorry, we drank some coke and we both had really, I had a bad headache and some nausea going on. I went, I when I got up to go to the bathroom, I felt like I was drunk. I was looking around think it was the co we'll go cola is the only thing that we both had. Do we have a rib eye steak together to? Yeah, but I also had the source so you didn't have the so I don't know. But I know some station tonight at I feel a little bit sick. Yeah, and it wasn't like being hung over because it wasn't hung over all food poisoning. It wasn't like that piercing headache and nausea, and then it went away during the show. I didn't quite get the headache, but I had to aaronow. I felt Bill said after maybe we shouldn't drink and you're. Are. 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Go check it out. Be a part of the fun. Be part of the history. Go do it now and see me. Go face I through table. It's very exciting, deputy network dot com. Slash Jericho. Go do it. Now. So what I wanted to now Jack is goes through the talent roster and I'll tell you some some funny stories about that. If we do that on a any particular point, others innocent a scrolling thing. Are you on the scrolling this one here? Yes, I am k. So master ceremonies is me Christina co? So how'd you how'd you to go about booking yourself then Chris? Well, I knew that I wouldn't screw myself. Okay, very cheap. And I'm not going to cost a lot of money, and I'm not going to cancel or myself. You know, screw myself and then he started way definitely. You know, you know, you're gonna be. They're gonna be there. I don't know how many times how many different ways we can say that, but I know that here's, here's, here's what I'm going to be doing and we can take a quick segue through the conference you you stay on that. I'll go to the conference call that we had today where we went over my schedule and a lot of people at this point, you guys will know the schedule, but there's something about the kiss crews. There was so much stuff on that cruise. I was like, I want the same thing like even when kiss is not playing, there's so many activities and things going on. I was thinking it was amazing to me and people are going to hydrogen really hood my own head called come out now. But anyway, people are really gonna notice. You said right. We'll have any free time. I don't mean you posting. I mean anyone that's going. We wanted to make sure that people would would have that have if you wanna do stuff, there's more than enough stuff to do victim, you know? And that's why, like I said, I really wanted to stock it. And if you, if let's say your wife comes through your husband and they're not a wrestling fan, there's plenty of things that maybe your husband wife comes in around a rock and roll fan. There's plenty of the thing. So my schedule. So we kick off the show though the cruise with Fauzi at four fifteen on Saturday, and then seven thirty talk Jericho live with Ricky the dragon steamboat which I've been waiting for for years. It's gonna be great, eight forty, five wedding Jericho. I'm going to be marrying somebody which is very cool, and then Sunday, October twenty, eighth all the photos with Chris Jericho, the first four hundred cabins that booked or by a certain date. I will have the list with me. Suffolk, four o'clock Sunday QNA with Chris Jericho. That's presale bookings so figures. Some good questions. Seven o'clock talk. Is Jericho live with Jerry? Lawler. Jim Ross looks to be great. Should be great. One, ten o'clock, fuzzy show. Number two, which is going to be mostly covers. Fund set. Feel Campbell is going to be joining us. Good, Corey. You join joining amazing, amazing. Maybe we should have you something all. Yeah. Okay. Absent any. Have you do. With us any kind of selling the bold one data, something some, maybe something that the bold guy did. Maybe maybe we could do that one. Sounds good. The Monday, it's the excursion day, so I'll be taking my family will go off. Scuba diving or whatever. We're gonna do you welcome to join? Thank you because Jackson, it'd be my my, my number two guy, the con- the concierge, whatever, whatever the guy. Because Sigli Oury. Yes, sure. Maybe it's worth concerts came from, shall I shave officially into a little mother pencil. I think that would help. It seems that that's the godfather thing to do. And then that night Monday, October twenty ninth is alpha club versus bullet club, which is going to be big. That's going to be very big. And then October, thirtieth of the next day. Talk Jericho live with entire bullet club and the stick was going, why there's no Thomas conga. I'm talking about the bully club that everyone knows not the new Japan bullet club. This is the same. So people always shout sweet after a two count. So yeah, this is Kenny Cody, Marty, the box and Adam page three fifteen words of Jericho. One man show you. So she's a great show. Yeah, it's going to be abbreviated one of only forty five minutes, but at that point in time I'll be so so warmed up and just just sort of looking for so riled riled. So frazzled frazzled. Yeah. Okay. Good one. Okay. You know, there's some some potato snacks in the UK called frazzled day look like bacon and bacon flavored. They're great. I'll bring some please. Yeah, I can eat some frazzled if I'm. I'm feeling extra frost and you go and then five thirty talk is Jericho. Live remembering eighty grail with Conan and Raymond stereo. Many maze goop is going to be on the cruise. Yes, he is resigned with WBZ, but one of the caveats was this is a carved, oh date with some sure this is going to be thrilled about, oh, so happy. And if they try to pull some kind of a sworn Hogle thing on me, I'll find somebody else. Everyone knows that he loves eighty, but I want to be there if he's gonna be there. He's going now he's going to be on the wondering. Yeah, he's going to be the and nine thirty ten forty five show number three. So that's all the things that I'm doing and also ringside seats with Chris Jericho for one tournament honor to something that we had that's going to be for the final match on Tuesday, which is the main event. The site made it maybe size eligible club. That's the ten man elimination war impact for ring of honor. Okay, Johnny. PECS team versus booklet joining PEX Johnny packs. Yeah. So he just find gentlemen. Yeah. Johny impact. Oh, sorry, Johnny very quickly. It sounded like Sara. Eram is era trophy at stake for for this bell. The winner of the tournament gets a championship match. Oh, for the ring of honor world title. And is that matches happening off the cruise? No, on the cruise just haven't own the championship matches happening off the cruise, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the final match will be for the winner of the of attorney, Susan integral point. It is. Yeah. And there might be some kind of a trophy year belt or something, but the winner gets a title shot. And that's something that hunter from Maria von or and myself discussed early on and they've been great by the way they vary accommodating great ends. We'll get into this like when they started telling me who they were sending, I couldn't believe how they're sending friggin twenty-five. People throughs did not expect that, but it just added to the enormity of it all official. Everybody wanted to do it. It's like a scaled-down. How show version. Boy, this is a lot of people like I'm not saying it is in this more exciting and more more Stockton wrestlemainia short, more sort of looking for like a jam packed show than wrestlemainia more loaded because at least you get resumes. So we'll get some filler matches. Phil, it's the cold FILA matches filibusters filibuster because I thought it might be a good a word like a great match or something show barn burner. Well, that's what you thing. This match is going to be a filibuster. It's going to be filibuster. Don't see barn burner anymore. Say filibuster. So that's kind of my schedule and there's so much more stuff going on, but let's go through master ceremonies, Chris Jericho. That's me. Yes, I continue on Jack. So the hosts of the cruise. You have to fine gentlemen, known as Jim Ross and Jerry the king Lula. Yes. So Jim was one of the first guys that I called and in the original incarnation back when it was supposed to be in March of two thousand eight. Okay. And Jim was the guy that I really wanted on the cruise is hard to get a commitment from him. It was before his wife Jan passed away, SU, super excited to go with her. And then when she passed away, I was like, you don't have to go on the cruise like not want to go. I want to be there. So he was always the host. And then once we went on sale and see, what will happen is once it went on sale became a thing. I got calls as you can imagine from everybody bands, unsigned bands, blow level, wrestlers, Indy wrestlers hall of famers. Everybody came out of the woodwork. And all I said was the same thing also gave me a real good, not excuse, but but truth ring of honor's handling all the wrestling. Yeah, right. Exactly right. One of the guys that call into those Jerry Lawler. I've never been accused before really like to go. We worked out a deal where, like all these guys did me a big favor, but. Also to at the very least. That's another thing about the kiss thing. It's it's a vacation. Yeah, it's it's a paid vacation, whether you're making one dollar or one million, it's a paid vacation. So I told Jerry will get you a nice cabin. You'll be all set. So so I said to Jim, do you mind if Jerry becomes your co host Jim goes, you're the bunker when everyone do fair enough, does they have great chemistry. Perfect. Yeah. So that was a big name for me to get Jerry Lawler involved with Jim Ross. And then one of my ideas I wanted to talk Jericho with both of them. In the interim they have started doing their own shows. They're going to do one of their own shows as well. Yeah. So all these people aren't doing a lot. It might be one or two shows, but most of it just hang out, man. Just enjoy yourself and have fun. Yeah, for sure. So now we get on to get more onto the wrestling tenant. Now, I mean, even know Jerry in Jay, were resting related and our active performance you say? So the first name that comes up here is featuring Kanye mega. Yes, I wanted to. I wanted candidate have top billing underneath the myself, and whoever also was because KENNY'S obviously the hottest guy in the business right now and he was not booked. I because Kenny does not have a contract with ring of honor, right? He's his own guy. And so when all these people got, you know, on the cruise and announced he was after alpha versa, mega the Tokyo dome. I just call them one day said they, would you be interested in coming on the cruise because we'll do an? Is there room like, are you frigging kidding me? Wow. So I told ring of honor. I want Kenny on and Kenny, and I worked out a deal once again, Kenny, you do me a favor, but still I made sure to take care of them. Of course. And I said, all you have to do is one match. That's it. That's all I want. Yeah. Nothing else and you're not. You don't have to worry about anything else, and he was super accommodating and boom, we get Kenny omega. Well, again, it shows people that you want to do it when. My thing for the last basically four or five months. I've been posting something every day about the crew, and I remember this is the sixth man. People are like, we wish we had a guy like you on every cruise takes surprise and I got videos from everybody. It's still individuals from you, Jack. Okay. And can't he was hard to get voted for when he finally send it in? And he was like really small like the cameras really far back and it's kind of out of focus and it took about a month, get it once I got him like, this is Kenny. He filmed it and he's, this is what I'm going to do, and this is the way it is that can you can refill MC. No, you don't get Kenny omega to refinancing you. This is what we're using. Just deal with it. So yeah, so we might as well tell the story, we'll we'll wait to get down down the line a little bit. We'll tell the story about alpha clovers the Bullock. Okay. Yep. So that is, yes, Kenny is there. And I said he, he's not in the see of honor tournament. No, because he's only work in one match and I don't want them losing on anything. He's doing a mash and we'll figure out what that match is going to be at a later date. Yes, exactly. And that's why he's. Separate building. So moving on, I goes to the sea of honor tournament which is presented by ring of honor as as we've discussed and the top name all of the list there is Cody. That's right. Cody Rhodes, another guy who had just signed with ring of honor because they came on this has been three years and Cody was not signed originally touring. As soon as he signed. We ask them to become the cruise coating. I have a really good relationship. He was in like Flynn right off the start as long as he can bring his wife. Of course you can. So he was signed up right away. And once again, not knowing anything about what matches we're going to have or any of that stuff, just dating the talent involved. Absolutely. Yeah. So moving down the list, the young bucks now the young bucks were very important to me once again, because how popular and how big they are. And they were one of the first ones that I think they were the first act that we announced we're have onerous coming on board. The cruise featuring the young bucks. So this was way before you even, but Kenny, right? Yes. The last book then we got. Yeah, it was. It was. It was young blocks for the ones right off the bat, which, yeah, and it shows how how? How big a name they the biggest names in ring of honor, visual, and worldwide. When I had asked them if they want to do to visually it, can we bear families? Of course, of course, of course. So then. The Marty was announced mardi skirl Cody mardi Kenny jumbo, Jack. Oh, so fast forward a little bit. I needed a main event for the crews because we had the sea of honor tournament, but we don't really know what the finals are going to be tournament Schulman. So there's nothing to promote this is before the dawn cows called me about impact will get into that as well. Right? So, but I didn't have anything to hang my hat on. So I need a main event. So I called the bucks and I was like, if it was going to be you guys and canny versus me and two partners, who would you like it to be? And they said, Ramos, stereo and Lance storm. Wow. Yeah. And unless is originally book to the crews due to circumstances that I don't wanna get into, he's not booked on it. He also is not in killing the town in we're anyways. So I think Lance isn't going to be on the cruise anymore, and I could ask Oscar, but once again, mysterious was doing a huge favor. He just he likes going on vacation with his family. And so what I'm giving him probably wouldn't even get out of bed for, but he's a great guy is a great friend of mine and he knew. I more than put them in the best cabins and all that stuff. So I said, well, if I ask him to Russell, it's going to raise the stakes, but I will. But let me see what he says. In the meantime, Nick Jackson said, why don't you you team with us? Okay. Let's team together and then we can face Kenny and Cody and mardi girl. That's great. And then I said, what if I- induct you guys into the alpha club? We make it alpha club club, which from the Vince McMahon school. You need your tagline? Yes. One night only alva- clubbers bullet club. Dundee is perfect, and we will happen to be in Japan at the same time in Osaka. Earlier this summer, we filmed all the videos for being the elite on how great by the way. Thank you how we became. And that was what name do you like better? I said I said the bucks of Jericho, and then they came back with why Jackson was like, what if we just call both? And that's so we're going to be now it's the bucks of Jericho, or is it why Jackson? So that's actually, that's the team name. Does credit actual team name. Yeah. So that's where all came from to have those guys involved. And then once again with Kenny, he needs one match and they didn't really have any ideas of six man I called candidate do do you like this idea and Kenny super laid back. Super cool. He knows all of us even though storyline wise, it's a little weird at the time, but now Kenny and Cody are friends again and the young bucks this, like it's international waters and the alpha club and we can do whatever we want. Exactly. And there's your main event to the point where there's so much. Response to this so much of a buzz about it that I, my plan was not to stream any of this. And now if things go the way we're going doesn't matter because it's the day before we leave anyways, we'll be streamed great. So it's a big thing because everyone wanted to see this alpha club versus club and all that sort of things. Mighty was kissed stream, but Kissel sells out very quickly. And once we started getting closer to the sellout so maybe we can stream it. Yeah, and do something. So you touched on the international waters thing just to would this mean that the matches don't have rules, or is it still Jen is still standards? I guess it depends on what the standard rules aren't international waters. Yes. Go to former president, John Tony, to find it say. And. That was incredible. That was not planned ladies and gentlemen just shows kind of a fan. Jack is so Samsara say, hi, Sam. Sounds a big sexy guy is going to be on board the ship to, by the way absence drop and trowel right now. Yes, so so that's kind of was the whole concept behind that of. Of the club and bullet club. And then like I said, the original thing and all kinds of take over dawn castle was originally booked. The Briscoes were originally booked, obviously brandy and Mandy, lion, Leon, and Adam page, but then only booked like ten guys, right? And then one day says we the full list and it's Jay lethal and crystal cristianos in Kazan Ron originally. But flip Gordon, Kenny king Silas, young beer city bruiser delirious cheeseburger, BJ Whitmer Rhett, Titus will Ferrara. I didn't even know some of these guys and like I was like, how many people are you booking on this thing? But they're also guys even if he didn't know the neuroscience is the have a name to them. But that's what I mean like versity. Bruce. Did this podcast I got to know who he was right, and I was just so impressed because we have on, I paid them a flat fee for everything all talents. Well, that's even more amazing ring. Yeah, everything you could've sent ten people, but they sent so many people. I have to think a little bit of a reward for being on the Roth. Yes. And then like I said, brandy roads, Mandy, Leon Kelly Klein and originally supposed to be Deanna Perazzi. Oh, oh, yes. But she got signed to WBZ. That's right. To lose her. Okay. So we got Sumi Sakai instead. So too. Great. It's so great. Yeah. So I was just really impressed with all of those people that they sent that were involved also is a bit. Sorry. It's a bit like as you say comfortable to mania, everyone wants to get books will mania. Right. And it seems like everyone wants to get booked on this. Yes, exactly. And the see of honor tournament which which which we had and. You know, like I said, I mean, we can even quickly us stay there. Okay. Goto the honor tournament and we'll go through the matches. Just see guys. No, because I'm sure a lot of you're listening to this as you're waiting to get on board the ship. Yeah. Which is why we're doing this see if something to get more familiarized kind of an audio version. Like when you go to Graceland and you put on the little headphones and they tell you about Elvis's life as you walk through as you guys are waiting to get on board with this bracket, a sea of honor tournament lethal versus BJ Whitmer. Great. Christopher Daniels versus delirious. Okay. Mardi skirl versus Rhett. Titus Marty's, actually working in all. He's in the bullet club alpha club match. He's in this. He's doing the slaughter on the water versus Sammy Callahan. Yeah, no rules deck match which will get into. Okay. Silence young versus flip Gordon then bracket be Mark Briscoe versus we'll Ferrara Adam page versus Frankie kazarian cheeseburger versus the beer city bruiser Jay Briscoe versus Kenny king. Okay. Those are the the sea of honor to opening round. And then there's also a three other matches that have been announced of Kenny kids, a four corners, survival match Kenny king versus Franken kazarian versus Dolton castle versus Jay lethal. Wow. Yeah. And then we also have a four corners, tag team battle the dogs, which is Silas young and. We'll Ferraro we'll Ferrara and. Rhett, Titus. Sorry, then we silence John bruiser versus lethal and cheeseburger versus the addiction, or there's there. There's a see you now I believe, see, these are not throwing matches. Huge Maja. And what's the once they started giving you those matches that I can advertise now I've got a card. Yeah, see, German plus albacore versus welcome. Plus these ones were just just talked and also a match specifically requested by the NWEA champion himself. Cody Rhodes, we can't see real sorry, but I can't use my podcasts versus delirious coat. He wants to work delirious. So that's going to be a fun match to. Yes. So now we have an actual show which is great, which is really great to promote. Right. So then I get a call from Don callous. Yes, who is taking over impact wrestling? Yes, I helped him get that gig with Scott d'amore and they've now turned around impact, and Don was really wanting to do these inter promotional matches. And I was like, you know, I'm in business with ring of honor. Okay. So our gloss it's okay. Just went to a little Popeye there. We were in context earlier today. Okay. Yeah, I've never seen. I haven't seen where context as crews whole cruise. You will see them on the cruise hosted elsewhere. Yeah, it's not often signing enough. Okay. Knowing indoors. Oh, you can't see endorses context on our count with sunglasses without having prescription sunglasses. Okay. Got ya. Got you. Yes, they're not context. No, no, no, no. But my sunglasses on not prescription. Oh, so if I have to wear sunglasses, I have to wear context. Otherwise, I can't say, oh, it was so bright today, Florida, Edward shades. Yeah. Okay. So Don called me about doing some in a promotional matches. Great. We tried to work it out. I said, I don't know how we're going to act. I text once again, hunter, they were totally four. Very, very cool. Which leads us to the impact versus ring of honor. So who you go, she's again a big thing. When did you ever seen that? Exactly. Never. I was about to say, then I didn't want to sound like an idiot. But yeah, you haven't seen that some that somebody tweeted the Jericho's done, two thousand eighteen Alvarado mega broke, new Japan. Into the to the American market? Yes, extended it because the subscriptions for new Japan world went up sixty percent, which I think was a factor in them even be able to get into Madison Square Garden. Absolutely. There's a lot of people and people Jerry, I'm not. I'm just seeing a lot of people got spotlighted because of of people watching it for the first time I can say, I don't know what we can say from famous. That's absolutely a big deal. Right. Then worked the greatest roll rumble? Yep. Then did the elva club versus club then put together ring of honor, verses impact? That's a pretty good track record for two thousand six. Let's say, regional match that we, I first a semi Callahan was the first guy now who I'm a big fan of Sammy. I love his promos. He gets it. It's real to him. And so I said, who should we put them against? And there was a couple suggestions. And the one I like best is mardi skirl because to me is the biggest name and I thought that'd be a really good match between them. Yeah. And they, they cut these really great promos to the point where Don cows had come up with. Slaughter on the water. Originally, he was going to have a match against disco inferno, and I don't know what's going to happen between those two something may or may not happen. Okay. But I like slaughter in the water and then Sammy was so violent, I called the cruise line to ask them if we could do a street fight, aka deck fight. Yet the questions I got back from them were hilarious because they don't know what a streetfight. Okay. What was some of them? I should probably look it up, but it might take me a couple of seconds. I don't want to actually get too much into it because it might make them feel stupid. But well, no. They didn't know today. It's okay. I'll get the questions. Hold on. So I got an Email that said our leadership team news war information before we can give the go-ahead. Number one concern is always going to be the safety of our guests obvious fair and they don't. They don't know wrestling, right? Yes. Number two ship damage. Does this happen often? Is that a normal part of the show? Is this a rarity? And sometimes people get hurt. I said, you see a street fight on almost every card of WB almost every house show as the street. Finding another type of match is expectation that crowded being courage to get involved in the fight, or they always just spectators always to spectators, you never involve the crowd in a fight. They don't understand that either. Assuming that shares tables use could be broken or being used in the fight. If yes, those pieces need to be provided by ring of honor so that the ship property is not damaged at this could become an obstacle in future sailing vessels. Yeah, they'll very very, very questions that I was able to placate them and literally three minutes and just I listen, I love you guys, and I love the questions. You asked an all of them are easily answered as in door and the same time if because fans could damage property any point anyway, she's just someone's getting Powerball through, of course. Yeah. It's going to be a table that's built like this thing like is five inches thick. I'm like, think about a table like that you'd go to church bizarre like a bake sale, those little thin tables, right talking about. It's all much. Talking about, it's all much how to put myself through a table. No. I was on Seoul in the US playing with my buddies in as lines. We did that shine down five finger tall drank vodka. We will leave in the arena. And I don't know what came over me. I was walking past the production office and all of a sudden I just saw table for the sandwiches and launch myself threat as you go through. No, I did. I stuff it and I, I, Scott, all the sandwiches, and the production crew would not happy with me. The true story. It was in Charleston, north or South Carolina? One of them, Charleston, South Carolina, South Carolina. I'm a dad was at night as a proud father. Sure, yeah. Looking on. So you go, it's sad, San mcallen versus mardi girl, no rules deck, fight match, but he's going to be great. This is gonna be great. Those are big fan of both those guys. Actually, we're looking forward to wrestling with Marty and never locked horns with them ever. Right? Yeah, never. Yeah. So, and then the second mastery announced was the young bucks versus LAX, which of course Conan cut a scathing promo autumn, right? Which is great. I think he said they'd be used as currency in prison, and then he goes in, we're serious as a late period, like ought to that. So good. That's rough. So Conan will be there managing LAX involved in the ten man elimination War I wish will get to Brian cage came. We wanted to be a part of it of the cruise. Just wanted to go impact on vault with your two got Brian cage. So that's another guy and then Sammy was there as well. And then the fifth guy was Johnny impact. Join PEX Johnny pack as this is. This is apropos because when you see this picture as she texted looking pretty damn good there, he's hot man. He owes you look and do. Here's a good looking do is bugs me, haughty, I'll have to protect girlfriend. He looks the same girlfriend since Ramle be jumping on. Got wrestling note with me looking. Okay. So most of the time better figure something out. You better get her a. Maybe John impact could be. So. My dear from the start was always to have the the bucks in a match and I asked the bucks. Would you like to work LAX? And another suggestion was penzo. Pensa. Yeah. And Phoenix? Yeah, but they were not under contract impacting. They do work for them. LAX will be great. I've really enjoyed their match that they had on that last pay per view impact did. Is that a poor? Is it a couple of drops while I didn't make a strong enough? Okay, so I'll just I'll just add a little bit. And then my other idea was I wanted to ten man elimination tag, and so we knew as me. So you had these ideas from the get go, did you that one of the bucks versus impact team show? Sammy automatically. He was the first guy, so that was just kind of, I think one hundred came up with Marty. One hundred of course, the the ring of honor, hunter, not the WB hunter, and then I wanted to limitation tag. I thought that'd be really fun. And so they put these five guys and then ring, who can you get? And once again, they said, well, the biggest guys we have or the bullet club. Both asked them if it was cool and that's kind of who we had all those guys. So another story about the cruise, I wasn't originally going to wrestle when I first started putting this together. I just wanted to see some great matches play. Some Fosse shows. Do some spoken words. Some live talk as Jericho's. I did not plan them performing in a match, but I'll tell you the reason why I'm doing alpha club versus bullet club, it's the bucks of Jericho, or is it why to Jackson versus Kenya? Mega Cody, mardi girl. The biggest main event of the year. I'll tell you why I'm doing it. It's not just because it's my crews, it's become because of DDP Oga. If you coming on the cruise, you have the chance to meet DP ear him. Talk about eighty Guerrero in a live, talk Jericho at participate in three live DDP yoga workshops on board the ship, and you'll understand exactly what I've been talking about all this time. All these years. I've got the DP yoga now app on my phone so I can do it wherever I am. Whenever I want a definitely be doing it on the ship and my cabin to get ready for the biggest event of the year alpha club book club. I'll probably do it right after that match as well. 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So going back to when you put these together, will you always going to be not wrestling with? Great question. Jack, you're paying attention. My is not to wrestle on this, right? I did not want to Russell, but like I said, I needed a main event before these matches were announced. I needed something that I could hang my hat on. And once the once Nick suggested that the bucks in Jericho team, this is great. Like it's a match. It's a six match. It's a draw, but it's not like I don't have to worry about anything. Yeah. I mean, if you had to put that on, another show would sell any show out, dude. You could saw Reno with. Absolutely. And that was once again, this is this is not like something I'm taking lightly. My goal for this is to make this an annual destination vacation, right? Just like the kiss cruise, because when the kiss cruise ends, I think I would surmise great word. Once again, the doing another two of them and then the stun she'll and they might still continue because I don't know what the I don't care. I know that I want Chris Jericho's arresting, which we got the name to to be an annual thing. So therefore it has to be a hit right off the bat. And I honestly think albacore Bullock made a difference because like you said, you put that on sale at Wembley arena. We're going to sell the of course anyway, because it's the first meeting of Jericho omega, since wrestling. Wrestle kingdom. And that's one of the reasons why did Russell Kingdom? I thought one of the law reasons like this will help my cruise. One of the main reasons. Why did all in right was like I can give that last minute push for the crews and continues this year long angle with Kristen, Kenny. So name-wise originally, I wanted to call it the crews of Jericho. And then I think another one was. The Jarrett Kruse works as well. They didn't like that one though because people might not know who you are like we want Jericho to be in on that. I, I mean, fab then at the same time if they're buying it because of you anyway. Yeah. Okay. You know, they came back and told me the final name was going to be. What was that? Chris Jericho's and wrestling crews. Welcome wrestling crew. Yes, I'm like, that's the most generic date is generic. He doesn't have the same ring as so. How did you come up with? I wanted something that rock wrestling needs to be an are. Okay. Big fan of triplets in any promo give three examples. I love. I think this is an alliteration. We have three words with the same letter. Yes, think it's liberation? Yes, it is so rock and wrestling something if I'm wrong. But I like rock and wrestling regatta was my regional one. Okay. Regattas very formal. It was very far. It's like a demonstration at sea. Yes, and they're like, no, we don't. Like that. And then I think I had Rockin wrestling rampage and rock and rusting something or other. But in Canada, when someone has a party, it's either cold shaker or raise your. How to raise your last week, Mattis killer. Right. So I was like, it's the rock and wrestling ranger, and it works. It works because it's got what I wanted, which is rock wrestling razor, which is a party. And then six bands caveat was they wanted it at sea. So people would understand rock and reston razor see, it's kind of long at first, but it's still rolls off the rolls off the tongue kissed cruise with a k. that's easy. We were still able to pronounce that during junk mania we were and we're pronouncing it now because we're getting doesn't mean right, doesn't mania pro wrestling. Crossing t's, go, Jack, here's here's what we're going to the part in the show. We still got a lot to go. We're going to, we're going to end this about fifteen minutes the part in the show where Jack gives a plug for his merchandise store. Yes. So because if you find people, I now have a stall on pro wrestling tease dot com. So please go to practice and sees dot com slash, I am Jack Slade, and you can buy your own drunk. Ameinias should think about that. Also, Jack, you can. And if you don't know who I am, drunk, Sam, Georgia mania, and if you want to show who the Cayenne. Auctions, leaving blob who needs Jack's Lawton pro wrestling, tease dot com. Slash I am Jack, Slade. All right. So make sure you go pick that up checks laid little call back there. Yeah, like I said, man, it's it's. Someone wants to get like all of these things we're talking about. I just wanted it to be very focused and very impactful, and some of that would would continue on. So we go to the special guests now with DP who another guy right off the bat. I booked him early on because you know, yoga demonstrations and especially great place to do it because you can do big group classes. Yeah. And once again, it's w hall of Famer because what the survey told them was they, they wanted Debbie hall of fame guys and the rich. They said, hulk HOGAN, like I, we can't afford hall and I did ask Rick flair about it. Oh, did you? Yeah. We had a brief conversation we've been before. It was the thing like now next year I'll ask if he wants to go and he'll be able to say yes, no, or whatever can still know what it is right when I was first pitching this, no one really got it. Mick Foley was a guy that. Who is going to do it. I kept someone was going to do it that that didn't work out. Oh, I know at one point, Jim Ross was unsure if he could do it and I said, well, oh, who's it equivalent of Jim Ross that I could bring on that could host another hall of fame make fully you go. And when Jim agreed make was still available and he's doing his twenty years of hell on the cell that's gonna be so good, which I want to see that I really do. You know, there's so much activities on this. It's like I want to be there so much room for activities. Ricky steamboat was booked from the start. I've been trying to get in for talk is Jericho for five years, which is along the show has been going. Wow, and I thought a perfect way do alive, talk as Jericho with receivable. He was the first guy that I had the idea to do the live, talk Jericho. He's been there from the start mysterious. I asked him once again, we know that story raven once again, call me that just wanted to go on the cruise, and I'm not sure ravens going to do. I think as a comedy thing with reading, so, but I don't know if we even have that book to have to go both now isn't a schedule. It was in the schedule. I so. Okay, good. So ravens. Dune comedy? Yeah. And whether he knows. We and then and then it was another Pat. Patterson, this is so good. He's doing that. I got a call from pats guy is agent or whatever sin that Pat wants to go. And I was like, are you kidding me? Likes Pat Patterson's my mentor. Like he's, he's, I learned so much from him about the wrestling business that like I will do whatever. What does Pat wanna do? He wants to go, banana going to go, but and I thought of all the stuff that he loves karaoke. He's an amazing karaoke singer. And so the one would do Pat Patterson's karaoke, so good. So she could idea they go and he was on and it's like another guy that gives me a chance to give him something back at this point he shows up when he wants to WBZ's still. They don't really listen to him, but he's still Vince his right hand guy, right? That taught all of us me rock Sean Brett seen like anybody that was ever any good in wrestling from eighties. Ninety s to mid two thousands is directed because of Pat. Ellsworth, another guy that kept calling me over and over and over again, it'd be involved. I'm not sure we're going to do with him. At one point we were going to do for his mixed gender title into gender intergenerational. I'm not sure if that matches happening. As of right now. It's not. Maybe we'll be at the cruise, he'll make it happen and then it rose. We had a lot of guys need some girls. So Cal Val, she's she's really cool. I've known her for a long time. I thought she'd be great is kind of the Julie from the love boat which was American TV show you might not know about Jack. She was the cruise director, right? She would be in charge of like telling you what events there are. Okay. And so that's why I wanted her and I needed to. I needed canvas this OB dude because one of the things that they told me that I was that we think is going to be very male skewed. Which is a fair assumption. I hope ship, but I knew differently. Yes, because I told them all the rules that you guys know about cruises are different with wrestling because they said, usually to cruise is going sale. They sell out quickly or they do they're going to do and then they kind of trickles down to the rest of the time we have never stopped selling. Even tonight we sold another couple of cabinet. You go, ninety five percents sold out in less than fifty cabins left. I don't have to promote us now because we're going sailing this week or tomorrow depending on this. So by the time you hit us, it would be all sold out. To me, I wanted to get to ninety five if we get ninety six ninety seven for this year, I think that's pretty good. Do you know if anyone has ever done that? I know kissed the not so first year? Okay. I know Walking Dead did not sell out. I go to major names Asia names, and we're here and then Noel. She wanted to go on the cruise. She was coming originally as a guest. I called mic and asked if I could advertise her Khalil deal for her. She'll be there hosting some stuff right. Another very cool Schick and Melissa Santos total knockout she's Brian cages wife. Yes, she was always coming along once again advertiser, the more girls, the better of course, busted open nation, which is busted open rates or busted open radio, which is on Sirius XM five days a week. It's the biggest and best wrestling show in the world. I got them on board because I knew I'm going to get advertising right for a year and a half as they talk about the cruise, right. So that's why I got involved Conan, keep it at one hundred. They were on board from the start because it's my podcast network when they have to do what you say, well, it's just coming aboard. It was cool to get them in Ridgely, Kevin Gill was supposed to be there. They fired his ass. Hurricane Helms came on board there, and the idea was due alive. Keep it on hundred versus kill the town live debate. So we're going to get a third person for Paul police in being Cyrus, two face, Conan, disco inferno, and hurricane in a live debate. I don't know what's going to happen. It's a free for all instead Nugent would say, and then I got a call for processing tease, which is where you can buy Jack Slade t shirts and. An Junge mania auction sleeping slob. Coca Cola Junkin Magnon. We've about Pasi two thousand go to and dot com for all Jackson and merchandise. So I guess there's probably stopped that. So they called me and asked if they could do sponsor goal, Cabana and Marty DeRosa. Apparently to sound like a mystery science theater, three thousand thing where they watched bad matches this. Great. And have you seen it? Oh, tell me what it is they basically, what do they call it? Unprofessional facile wrestling. They basically run through terrible matches. I've seen in detail promos but several matches and they just run karma chair over. It just sounds like fun. I want to see it is it is genuinely hilarious because this so good together, right. Let's say that on this cruise pro wrestling tease is the official merchandise manufacturer of Christina's rock and resting at sea, and we thank them for all their participation and involvement. Move down the line beyond the darkness. Another great podcast that wasn't the Jericho network. They're not anymore because the fine people at podcast, one will not let them leave, but they do a great job, Dave straighter. And Tim, Dennis, they're going to put on some paranormal talks and exhibitions of all the stuff that they know. Great, very, very entertaining stuff. I wanted that element on here once again because I love paranormal stuff. Again, you'll cruises stuff the US interest. That's right. And they watched you want to do. So they where they want to try and raise like alien spacecraft from the bottom of the ocean, which I said today, that sounds cool. But what if you actually do it? Yeah, insurance, I would be scared to death of like aliens. Dour volved. Yeah, and I don't know what they want for pay. They're going to do a run. I can't afford them. No, can't afford aliens from the planet. Grim lack, whatever. Maybe that's what Ellsworth's going to maybe. I mean, maybe these from the planet of no chin in the. The Mars quadrant. So Fosse is the headliner. And then as we moved along, you see Corey Taylor who's a huge wrestling fan, a great friend of mine, and I asked him if he wanted to go on the cruise, he said he would think about whatever. So you could do as much as little as you want. And then a funny thing happened on the way to the forum. He started dating Alesia dove. Who is the leader of the cherry bombs? Yes, who we had signed up on the cruise. Great, female, dance troupe. Awesome. Very cool stuff. Once again, I wanted more sex appeal and more entertainment from the female side of things, and it was very cool because originally they is going to be very male skewed. I said, no, a lot of girls would be going on this and I wanted to talent to match that. It's not all guys. There's a lot of girls on it. Very talented girls say people see a different way, but it's the way they say is empowering the way I see as well. It's imperative. He's. Absolutely. These girls. Yeah, you know where I'm going with this, but. Very important to do that. Yeah, exactly. So, so once once at least it was signed Corey agreed. So I got Cory Taylor on board, the huge name. He's doing acoustic set. He's going to sing a couple of tunes with us on the on the Fosse covers night. Yes. And then we got Fosse, of course, that's my band, Phil Campbell, the bastard sons. Another guy. Great friend of mine always been involved wrestling Motorhead, of course, doing triple ages theme song the game. That's right. Doing us a huge favor. Basically, Motorhead broke up obviously after let me pass away. Phil started Phil Campbell, the bastard sons, three of the guys, the whole band or literally fill son's. Yeah, so he's doing this cruise and they're great. They're great rock and roll band, and that's something else I wanted to want all the bands that have the same vibe of a real party band. I don't want like any death, metal bands, whatever they'll find, but I wanted to party and Phil Campbell, dude, this they are. They're going to blow you. They're great. You're going to be surprised if you think it's just going to be some sort of. Head to head cover band or something. I think one Motorhead soon. Space space, maybe maybe one mole? Yeah. But besides that, so good. Awesome. Awesome stuff. And he even said, we'll play the game if you want. So they'll probably play AAA GIS theme, which school king we love king a three piece band out of out of LA we toured with them. They're one of the first bands that are wanted on their rock and roll band. The stir another great rock and roll band who's with us and the stir replaced the dives. Dives are Evan Stanley whose Paul's son, but I didn't book them because of that bought them because they're really enjoyed the band, Evan left the dives and I'm like, he was the lead singer guitar player this really nothing left. So we kind of said goodbye to the remnants of the dives, and we brought the stir on, which I think is gonna love the stir. I know I do to stir great, great band, great rock and roll band. Lots of fun. Yeah. Fantastic. You wouldn't believe that are three PC. That's right. Yeah. Same with king. Yeah. Yeah, both like Eddie is a singer. He sounds like Chris Cornell, like if sound guard wanna continue, they could use Eddie Velez from the king Andrew Evans from the stir do skies. So good boss got personified. Yes. Cherry bombs, like I said, they're going to be on board. We love them. They're awesome. At least he has been in the Judas video and the painless video. She blew that crazy fire in the painless video. And then I wanted an ACDC tribute band because I love ACDC. And like I said, I can't afford the release the DC, Jack, no. Also dab wasn't available? No, he was not in the release the DC which true? What am I gonna? Have him stemming stage play Bongos or something by itself. Poss- sounding ultra time line. We'll do that next year. Right? That'd be great unless he's it with shoot to thrill. We just had them on our podcast, very, very cool ladies and a great rock and roll band. I'm really excited to see shoot the thrill. Yes, I am as a blizzard of Ozzy. They came to us a slot what a great thing in Ozzy tribute band, AC DC trip and fall in the Paul Stanley model, which he told me we talked about earlier having zeppelin and the Beatles. Yup, I love Ozzy ACDC. There's our tribute bands. Maybe next show get an eighties, kiss tribute band. You think there's any such thing. Now, of course they must be on makeup guess it must be. There must be abandoned, least us different eras. Yeah, that's ever tell you about the wrestlemainia party where there was a ban that was ACDC cover band and a Rolling Stones cover band because those Vince is favourite bands. No, but this rolling. Stones for half the set and they changed costumes and did ACC for the half the set. Good. I remember the being amazing. Okay. I remember no one was dancing and people were the hell is going on, but I thought it was awesome. Did Vince go crazy? I'm not even sure if he was there that you're that make sense. You just put the band he wanted off. Yeah. Dave Smith act project speeds. One of my oldest friends fest plans with Glenn mirrors speed. He's a great guy, and he's he's awesome musician. He's very much roots rock of Neil young tragically hip cool REM type stuff, Dylan type stuff. He thought he'd be great for like kind of lounges type thing. Yeah, who's another one of my childhood friends can be on drums and Randy from Fozzard simply base with them. So if you're a fan of Randy, which many of you all exactly on this show a couple of times and I brought him on a because he's graduate, doesn't be because, you know, it's my crews. Oh, my friends on it, which is much the reason why you're going to be yet. We got a graphic for you and everything. Oh, yeah. Final additionally, music was Papa buck who did a bunch of stuff at all in again, really intense is that's the pictures sent to me. Well, it looks like a very evil crazy man. He's not. He's a super nice guy and he's playing. He plays music. He's a great musician. He's going to be. Performing live with guesses playing bass for him Grandy? No. Did I mean for him. Franken. Zarian. Really? Yes. Oh, okay. Then there's the comedy element. I wanted some great comedians, Craig gas Superfund. He's been this a couple of times. I had a guy on that castle. Gino cancelled who Jim Breuer. Oh yes. You know why? Because he went until with some band. Metallica can never even called me to tell me, just read the them. Can you still come on Jericho? Cruise is like, I don't know, never anything more about it. That's fine. Craig gas came funny. I very funny, Brad Williams. Another guy I had all these guys have been on talk is Jericho. He's another huge wrestling fan that just wanted to be a part of it. Dude. I think at of the three of them, they're all funny, but Brad Williams is so hilarious. Great. You're gonna love him. Great guy. Then impractical jokers ever heard of them. Jack? I haven't. They played Wembley the zoo actually. Did they not Square Garden? I didn't even know that that's so big, wow. Q. gain, insomnia, autograph signing that. I had in Las Vegas ones and. Sells worn a Jericho shirt on their show. So they just both genuine fans and he wanted to be involved. They have their own ship which sells out like in five minutes right there, slumming it to come on Jericho cruise because they want to be there. Are they slumming other I bringing Nash ship to the ship was that, are they bringing this ship? Oh, they're going to shit if you're pulling up beside us. Yes, and they're jumping on invade it. They're going to invade those comedy, Phya comedy. That's right. So basically that's the whole cruise lineup. And like we said, I mean, someone said, are you going to be adding anybody else? And I was like, I don't know who else we could possibly add like there's nobody else out there that really we can add on this. You know what I mean? Can you think of anyone Jack soda? No, she no really? No question is though, like if this goes well how you going to top it. Well, I've always, I read a great quote from Zack wild. Once who said when he did the first pride and glory. We record they'd so many great songs that someone said, why don't you say some of these songs for the next rocket went? I might not get an ex rocker. She'll all have to go on this one. Yeah. And daily. There wasn't ever a second pride and glory record. I was the same way. I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know if we're going to do another one. I don't know if they're going to want to do another one. I know this success financially. It's going to be, you know, they'll be very excited ethic a little bit surprised. Yes, I think they kind of underestimated all of us. And when I say everyone listening to this podcast, what how loyal and fanatical you guys are as as fans? Yes. So if it goes the way I wanted to go then. Yeah, next year I'll have to worry about that next year, but I already have some ideas and like I said, I've got the formula down the first one's always the hardest, and once you get it done and get one under your belt, the rest, we can figure it out. We've got it. And once again, I've been saying it's all inclu-. Yousef everything. We're talking about you guys that are going. You don't have to pay another dime every show every every concert. Every live podcast albacore bullet club every signing the pictures, whatever it is you don't have to pay another dime. The the great thing is I saw a schedule is is is actually not really any any overlap, so you will clashing and all that. I saw a massive amount. So it's fact that if as fan you will get everything. Yeah, everything is literally like when we played the Kissinger's we clashed against kiss kiss Druce. Yeah, but that's how it goes. But my my point is I think we were very, like. It reminds me of when I got married, we put into this really great wedding, and I didn't get to enjoy much of it because you're too busy bopping around making sure. Okay. Saint hell. I think I think everyone is going to have a great time. I might not see any of this. I wanna see, shoot thrill. I wanna see days without project. I wanna see the see of honor tournament. I wanted to see everything the unprofessional wrestling show, whatever. Well, you will be seeing some of the because we're streaming and if it falls through and we're not streaming apologised. But as of right now, we're streaming this bad boy and you know, we're gonna call it was that Chris Jericho's rock and rusty razor streaming for vengeance. Ooh, thank you. That was mine. All right. So lay said the only thing you guys have to pay for is alcohol and gambling. And if you like to drink drink a lot, and if you'd like to gamble gamble a lot because that adds money into the prophet zone. Yes. And if we profit on this cruise, that means they'll be another one. Exactly. Sounds. It's just as true, you know. Also, Ted Irvine is going to be there. We did. He grab for him to your of a New York Rangers legend. He's doesn't official performance, but it'll be around Jack Slade of fuzzy stage manager. It's slightly confused Englishman. Yes, we'll be there. That's basically all I've got. We've put every single thing into this. And like I said, I hope you guys have a great time drink a lot. If you drink gamble, if you gamble, if you don't do either, then just enjoy yourselves. Absolutely. Yeah, exactly. And come say hi to when I do the kiss trews obviously, was Paul Stanley gene Simmons, but the first night it was everyone gathered around. She'll second night few people. Third night, you just another guy on the cruise, and that's why I think you're going to have on this show. So any final thoughts, Jack, you're excited. I am very excited because I remember when you announced it even before I was even sure about going, I was like, hey, you know. You know, I, I never asp thing. I was just like, hey, how do I go about going it? You know, from the get-go, I was just trying to see him before even worked with this. Yes, exactly. Yes. So I knew from the get-go, it was going to be a good one for everybody. Yeah. And now I've seen it schedule wise them come to fruition. Everyone's gonna love it. It's it's going to be an amazing vacation. Like I said, one of the best vacations you'll ever have if you like the same things that I do, and I think that we're on the same page. I think everyone is purchasing a ticket for this has the same sex and actually looking at the schedule like, you know how I roll. It's not that bad. Like during the day is busy, but the night it doesn't go too late in the brining. I never have to get up early. Yeah, it's going to be a lot of fun for me even to. Yeah, everyone's coming. My best friend's my family, my dad, you know, all you guys are going to be there. Everyone's got great cabins. And like I said, I'm really looking forward to it. Thanks to all you guys for going and making this dream. This vision come true one last time, Jack. What about your progress and tease shop? So the phone sponsors, the Auchan sleepword slob the fine sponsors of the Christian Jericho rock and Roger Roca resting Reiter rec- that right that time they, I have a stall with them pro some dot com slash, yeah, right dot com. Slash I am Jack Slade. Drunk ameinias shows Jackson shirts by him, and I'll take a picture with you all take a picture with me. You have one of these where it on the cruise, and Jack will take a picture of the, he'll be available. He'll be busy. I'll be busy buying off off on time. I'll find time Jack Hoy's this time for his fans. So, yeah, Chris Jericho's rocking wrestling Rangers. See, we'll see you there if you're going, if you're not if we're streaming this and all of our plans worked out, check it out and at the very least hopefully we'll see you next year on the second annual Chris Jericho rock. And reston see, let's go for this. Do it. All right. Thanks, Jack, Slade. Check out his store at pro wrestling, tease dot com, and get yourself one of his t-shirts shirts, drunk Amenia or who the f is Jack Slade, more Jack Slade said no one ever. And if you're going on the cruise, you could buy them a drink and say, hi to him on the ship. I think a couple of people actually got a free meet and greet with Jackson, I can't remember, but he will be there. He's my slightly confused English assistant. And remember if you're not going to be on the cruise, you can stream all the matches on the fight TV app during streaming for vengeance. The big pay per view available November third at eight pm exclusively on fight TV app. Okay. Or fight dot TV. I watched the seventieth anniversary show on it. It's a great way to watch. Some cool shows fight dot TV or the fight TV app. You'll be able to see the entire sea of honor tournament. And the biggest man of end of the year, the alpha club versus the bullet club. Of course, Chris Jericho on the young bucks versus Canio mega Cody and mardi girl. So pre. Aw, right now at fight dot TV. Here's the first round of the tournament bracket, Dalton castle versus Matt, David, Chris Daniels versus delirious mardi skirl versus Rhett. Titus silence young versus flip Gordon bracket be Mark Briscoe versus will Ferrara Adam page versus Frankie is Aaron Chiba covers the beer city. Bruiser Jay Briscoe versus candy cane. You'll see all the matches leading up to the finals along with the biggest main event of the year, the alpha club versus the bullet club. So be ready for that streaming for vengeance, November third at eight PM on fight TV. Okay. Coming up on Friday. The rock and roll returns to talk is Jericho with shoot to thrill. They're going to be on the cruise, the world's best ACDC tribute band. That just happens to be all female. They're going to be performing other cruise jackal. You back to help me interview these. These cool chicks. They're awesome, great rock and roll band. They're going to be entertaining you on the cruise. So this cruise week today, talking all about Chris Jericho's rock and wrestling ranger, behind the scenes and shoot to thrill will be. On Friday to tell you all about how they became the world's best ACDC tribute band as a bunch of killer kick ass rock and roll chicks. So and women rocked her world girls rock and roll children. All right. We'll see you on Friday. Get ready for the cruise last minute, Gavin available. If you've got a wild hair up, your rear end, you wanna go go to Chris Jericho, cruise dot com. I think just the waiting list is available now, but whatever. Who cares? We'll give it a try and we'll see you on Friday and one last thing I want to give a shout out and all the best to Roman reigns and his family. Obviously, Roman announcing that he has Kenya if anybody can beat it, he's going to beat it. He's a strong duties Samoan of course, those guys are crazy. 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Episode 1: Bill and Frank Assemble!!

Bill and Frank Eat Pop Culture

1:10:12 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 1: Bill and Frank Assemble!!

"Uh-huh. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls children all ages. Welcome, welcome. Welcome to the very first. Phil, and Frank. Top culture, alongside mutes always of the low key to my door Bill. How you doing Bill? Excellent of hungry ready to eat, hope we don't get food for that opening with by road Dogg. And billy. Gimmick. Infringement. We're giving printing gimmick in the first eight seconds of. That's, that's what we can expect a lot of that. So. Just to kind of let everybody know what we're going to be doing here, Frank. We are longtime friends roommates in college. You know, very, very close, close, like brothers uncles too, to each of our kids and. Mostly got. Father's. It's true. We are we are actual family in the eyes of God. And. While the times what we do is we just call each other at nowhere. We'll spend like three or four hours on the phone. Just be Esingun about whatever's going on out there in movies, comics wrestling sports. You know, whatever and we said, you know what? Hey, in this wonderful age of technology. Wanna we? Early by couple of microphones and put this thing out there. And, you know, maybe people like it now, you know, the little with me here, the first to tell you, we have absolutely zero qualifications. To, to, to, to like, make you feel that you need to agree with our opinions or even the voicing opinion. But. We think it'll be fun in. We hope you enjoy the ride the disclaimer here is that we, we, we have no already, we have our opinions are alone. Nobody s for them. We're not even sure anybody wants them. But we might as well not in bed with anybody. I guess what you're saying Bill. Correct. No. But we're both super willing to anybody. Somebody. And fuck anybody. Yes. But it up get in their pensions case scenario best case scenario, Kevin baggy. Here's this and run a plan to LA soon the fuck I mean to fuck with them to you. I think I think our input would be able to fuck him but that's okay. Whatever gets us in the door. I'm I'm, I'm so divorced. So yet ever I would love to see his genius. Boner. He's my hero. Selves here. Sorry. We are sorry, sorry. This is the first episode. Nobody's gonna listen. Maybe a couple of friends and family out of pure was sort of looking for pity. Got his loyalty. All right. So every week we're gonna we're gonna tackle couple different things could be different weak, the weak, but it's basically, you know, probably always be movies. It'll probably always be something going on television. It could be trailers that drop it could be upcoming shows were excited about it could be a book, reading it could be comics. It could be. I don't really think we're gonna touch on a lot of sports. There will be wrestling talk, but please, please. Yeah, we're definitely going to talk about the business brother, brother. But please, this is not a wrestling podcast. Not a wrestling park. I guess marks. So just back relax marks. All right. No, this is not a wrestling podcast. We're just to marks that watch wrestling, really like it. And we're gonna talk about it because we spend most of our time watching wrestling. So all right. All right, Bill. Let's go to the aisle up, first movies. And this is a no brainer with everything going on right now. The pop cultural phenomenon that's taking the world by storm. They'll never be. We're in the middle of a cultural event for the ages. Yes. Like, the, the paradigm are shifting. It is you will never witness anything like this, again, as long as we live. Nope. And I mean. Yeah. In terms of just shared experience, that everybody seems to be loving eleven years, twenty two movies in the making. Some other marvel might do it again. DC might get their head out of the Rassam do it sometime. But this will always be the first one. Yeah. And I mean it was the last one probably Star Wars in that was how many years ago. Yeah, the original name thirty something. Yeah. So I mean, if you know Bill and I may never see it again. So. Of course, we're talking about the MCI the marvel cinematic universe in vendors and game just came out, and we'll definitely never see it again. We're both of us are clearly not living. No. I mean I'm lucky if I make it to sixty five we have way too many why related issues? Yes. I love love. Food. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. All right. So vendors. So Bill, I'm gonna kick into you before even we should probably go ahead right now issue, the blankets, whaler alert. Oh, yeah. Like seriously. It's been a week and a half you haven't seen it by now. Your asshole. So I mean that's the sport that you are. You are a I don't wanna know you if you haven't seen it two times by now. You're an asshole. I mean, I'm very proud to say that I saw my time this past weekend. Okay. So you've seen a five times. Okay. So you've, so you've gone in you've had the you've had the emotional tidal wave smack you in the face you've gone home. You've slept on it then. Yeah. Then you then you went back the next day salt again. Now, you know, there was no like fear in your belly because you knew what was coming. Digested it. You've you've you've thought about it. So what? Let's talk about what are your thoughts overall? I mean for me it's. It's hard to. It's hard to even put it into like a category. It's hard even say like this is the best movie ever, because it's, it's a one of a kind thing, it's a combination of so many different things. Even even if you compare it to like, Star Wars back today, only three movies even now star is only nine. This is eleven movies over ten years, that are all interconnected. It's hard to even judge it. But as far as sheer enjoyment, I'm not gonna say it's the best film ever made. But in terms of sheer enjoyment. I don't know that I've ever enjoyed myself anymore in a movie theater, I tend to not be like a huge fan of fancy service where like movies moviemakers just use a movie to suck off fans. But in this case, I feel like there's a lot of fancy service and it was sort of earned, you know, like fans have been with this for eleven years, they deserve the sort of payoff. Yeah. People put I mean. It put a lot of time. Put a lot of money into it like you said eleven years of going to these movies, and waiting for these movies and seeing them over and over again. And watching them on TV and, you know, I don't know of anything, though. That's ever wrapped up. Anything whether it'd be a television show or movie franchise as. I'm hesitant to use the word perfectly. But as perfectly as venture and gained it, they're certainly things in there. I was like, I don't know if I would have gone that way, but. I mean it was it was pretty satisfying. I mean I didn't really walk out of there, one any other I mean there. Yeah. There, there are a couple, there are a couple of groan inducing moments and moments that I was, like, come on. That was that was forced, but. Okay. So let's so let's get to that. So all right. Bill. In. We're not gonna do laundry lists here. So give me give me I know you ask this question. Three times. You're gonna get three completely different answers. But you're in your opinion, opinion, three best parts of my favorite. I mean, this is gonna seem so fucking on original, but my favorite part is the thirty to forty seconds proceeding avengers. Assemble because listen, we both grew up reading comic books. I started winning complex eight years old. The thing I always loved about comics, and I still love comics is you have all your individual people render individual heroes doing their thing, and then they'll start planning seeds the lead up to some massive crossover. Then you go by the cross over and you'll open the comic to a splash page. It'll be sixteen different superheroes on it. It George Perez splash directly in the. That kind of thing like okay that will only ever exist in print. Let's not that's not film -able. And that moment when cap says vendors assemble the two armies charged each other, actually, the thirty second leading up to when all the dust of heroes, return spoiler alert the dust of heroes return. I like this is something that, like, I remember twelve years or ten years ago, when vendors came out that shot that famous shot from vendors, where the camera circling around six six, all this is the greatest thing ever. And it's like this time eleven I guess. I guess, I mean, that was just like I had a boner for like six hours, just based off that okay? So that's one which next one. The favorite parts. Yeah. Favorite parts. Are you, you give me give me one of your first? Okay. One of my. If you would've told me this was going to be my favorite part eleven years ago, I would laugh in your face. But when that hammer flew in the captain America's hand as awesome. I mean I just like I'm getting a chill right now. I didn't see it coming. And I didn't see coming until it hit his hand. I mean Thors reaction was fantastic. And that's kind of what I was talking about earlier to that such a that such good band service because it's not it's not like pandering, but it's like we're, we're calling back to something that happened in a different movie. Like, I'm not a guy that I'm not a guy that pops in a movie theater Bill. Like I don't like that one of those guys that like claps at the beginning of Star Wars like, I don't like. I know. But I mean I'm not like as I'm just like sit there like with my hands folded, like, you know, all nervous. Scared and. But. Yeah. I'm like, oh and. And. But when that hit his hand, I popped so loud and. Then realized that nobody heard it because the entire theater pops because I saw it on opening night. So it was Newt everybody. One of the most high tell you one of the most fun things. I saw opening night to in, like a huge auditorium, like most seats and one of the funniest things like it didn't even courtesy as it was happening. But every time I think back now is laughing when the audience was so into it ran when Black Panther and his sister, come out of the first circle, and then all EuroStar coming out the audience like Black Panther was doing his Ebola and the audience was like responding. Looking back on. It is hilarious like it is it was. So I had to go see the second time just to hear some of the stuff at missed because the audience are allowed, so this is cheap. But I think it was such a nice touch to have the original six vendors. Sign off the credits. I thought that was so cool. It was very cool. That was my choice. Very Dorgali reminded me of. For you Trekkies out there. Reminded me of the end of Star Trek six the undiscovered country to last the last movie featuring the captain Kirk crew. They all signed off at the end, and I, I remember watching that with my dad is a kid and ban like men, what more movies do that. And this is the first one since. And I'm telling you the audience when I when I saw the audience reacted to Robert Gotti junior signature like the Buchan Beatles reuniting on staff. Same same. It was crazy. But. Let me see what would have been my second favorite part. I mean, honestly, like what comes to mind? In this is kind of cheesy in but like the stuff between Tony and his father. You know, the great scene, I just thought it was it was it could have been done. It could have been done, so corny sappy. But I thought they did it so well, because it was too Starks. Talking to each other and one ones having this emotional like. Cathartic moment, the other one has no idea what the hell's going on. But it still had such a motion to it. That was like that was earned like that could have been cheesy. But it was earned like we've seen that art play out with Tony is sort of. Love hate relationship with his dad. How important the murder of his parents were in the relationship with Tony cap like all that stuff was earned. So when it has that sort of catharsis with his dad, which really in retrospect should've been the first clue that I remember going to die. But yeah, I totally missed it. Yeah. When he had that catharsis like it doesn't feel cheesy, because it's like it's earned just like, like Steve Rogers cap has been blabbering about I'm gonna I'm gonna get you that dance to penny Carter, like he's mentioned that in like six different movies. So when he gets the dance at the end like there's, you know, if I came out of nowhere corny and cheesy, but it's earned which I mean they did a great job. Incorporating everything we've seen in that was probably my third favorite part. Not not necessarily the him dancing, but the part where he's old on the bench in in. Oh man cap which I didn't see coming in and those fucking Rousseau brothers, man. They were online the other day saying, like people are asking about, like, oh, did, Tony go back in after a return the Infinity stones and live with penny. Is that does that create an alternate time line? Is that same time line are there to catch loan that time line? And they're like, well, there's a story there, isn't there like teasing that they might do that. Well, yeah, I mean I definitely think. We'll get into what where we think it's going, but I definitely think probably the next couple phases is going to be. Resulting in dealing with the fallout from all of these, you know, because, you know, LOKI getting that tesseract wrecks gonna cause some shit and. You know you got. You you've you've got CAPCO in back in, you know, did you have kids, you know, we had a wedding ring on. So they were married, you know. It's, it's the fall out and we're gonna talk about it in a couple minutes on the Suming, but just based on the Spiderman trail drop today like the fallout already starting. Yeah. Which is fantastic. So all right. So what was your least favorite moments? I know one of them was. Before we get at least favorite, I wanna mentioned my, my third like not third. But one of my sneaky. I didn't. Yeah. One of the highlights that moving from any of that. I appreciate it more. Each time I watched it is the same between Bruce banner and the ancient one I thought was awesome. I love till the Swinton like I don't know what gender she is. But I love her. He does she know. I mean, if you want, an Android sorceress, she's got the market kind of guess she is. She's like this. Recall in drudge drunkenness sorceress, that really, really cool seeing in retrospect. I don't know why. But I just I, I like the ancient one is a character. I'm looking forward to more Dr stronger. They're going to be more standalone doctor strange movies. Yeah. They I mean, they've announced that they, they haven't announced anything like officially, but they have announced, like they said like, oh, we do a Black Panther too. We, we had a contract that Ryan cookbook direct if we do doctors Franks to we have contracts, Scott direction director, like they are they just have announced officially when do we get the? Phase four announcement. They said, face and weirdly Spiderman is closing phase three nine game which is so odd. But, but they did the same thing with age voltron look back. That didn't close face to amendola. So there is precedent. You know, I was thinking about this. You look back age of Altron was a complete waste of everybody's fucking time. Kinda sucks. Nothing. The mind stone and all that. I mean there's nothing. It means nothing. They paid off a few things in like, but yeah, I mean introduced Wanda and vision and. That kind of stuff. But. I don't. Civil war. Never mind. Why not a great me? I mean even rewatch ability is not it's not a close to the first vendors or civil war, which is like vendors two point five. So MC you better or worse since we'd left? I know. Win favorite person, but it's better. It's, it's actually kind of a lot better. Which is not really. It's not really. Oh, we'd fall like there was some stuff like the worst MC you stuff has nothing to do with joss. We like Thor to is just awful. It's terrible. Terrible movie. Let's not an into John's we and Iran two and even three arguments back, right? But since the Russo's resources jumped onto the MC with winter soldier. It's really just been an upward climb. They really haven't swung and missed yet. Have they? Not really. I mean, some people don't like, straight some people didn't like strange. Some people didn't like captain marvel to be honest. Nobody. But those. No, but, but they sort of have been shepherding toward toward and game ever since. So, like since they kinda like took the reigns. It really hasn't been miss. I, I don't think not only that, but like they've completely resuscitated Thors character, which is he's arguably the most the best cowards during the poll thing you could certain he'll. So you and I, I spoke, you know, I feel like there was like a polarizing feel to what they did with. Or I mean. Some people like it at all still is that still thing. I think majority is like, what you like in even they have come out and said, the Russo's came out and said like their first reaction to, like, okay, how respond to this. Oh, go on a quest for vengeance. But it's like we see that. All right. Let's yeah. Direction. I mean, look after two they had to do something to the characteristic. I to me every is any steals in the fact in the fact that they've been to do in the as guardians of the galaxy thing which is a book. I read by the way, is fantastic. Turning into the big lebowski is not a direction and yeah, honestly like I dug it. So I mean he I it's a toss up between him and Paul Rudd as to who had the funniest movie. So before we were what's, what was your, I think, our least favorite parts was at the very forced. Very unnecessary like girl power. Yeah. Me too moment. In this, right? When I have two daughters you have daughter all about girl power. I'm not. To moment, Mucci, movement, or the it's obviously long overdue and he betrayed women like shit should be punished where. But God was that like. That was growing. You know what it reminded me of? Do you remember? I think it was Spiderman two. When they're like, you know, talking about when they're like, yeah. This New York. You want what you MS. Remember that it was like, no right? I mean, plus because I hate New York, but it's it was just. It was like that. It was so forced it out of place in listen. I am super excited than I had a superhero movies out there that I can take my daughter to in. She can be just as juiced in into it, as my son can be with other superhero movies, like it is amazing. It's, it's, it's a magical time we're living in that exists being that just, you know, thirty years ago. I was like sitting in my room with the door locked reading, comics under the covers. So nobody would know I read them. But it's it was just so forced in the fact that they had the fact that they had, you know, what's her name? What's Tony her? Yeah. Going to Paltrow lay the lead the charge on that one was just like. And, and like it was just like I get these movies aren't based on realism 'cause they're super heroes, and blah, blah, blah, but, like what all the other eighty guys that are in the battle, or just going to be like, oh, they've got their doing their whole woman power ever happened like it's just silly. It was silly for not. It was one of the only things in the movie that was completely. It was less organic than the time, heist. Right. Okay. So let's talk about where we think it's going okay Spiderman Spiderman former home trailer drop today in major spoilers going forward. You know, they're clearly pitching Spiderman is the new iron man. The new standard bearer for the MC. You. They know what or while they don't say which snap, but one of the snaps ripped a hole in reality, I guess. In their. Yep. You're actually actually, so. We've got we've got a six one six situation here. We've got a multi verse. We've got time travel. To me. I kind of feel like this means it's definitely gonna be came going forward. You're just got. No. I do. I do. Okay. Couple of things everyone. I wanna see how they like how they pull off like his septic suit. In like alpha like clear bucket head. But I mean he's I mean he's the next big like I mean he's a he's a time, travelling time space traveling conqueror from the future. It's, it's perfect. I don't know what else it could be. It can be. They ripped a hole. I mean, it's, it's an easy in for the FOX property. It's an easy information's if they wanna go that way. So okay, good point. Do you. This marvel birth doesn't have meetings in it. So. It'd be really hard to sort of right? Like, right. Right. Newton's in now and give us what we want. But if they rip a hole to another reality. In that reality, like meetings could have existed for a long time. So you could sort of you could bring in older characters like. Professor Xavier wolverine or somebody like that, you wouldn't have to start from scratch, and it's also a way to, you know, he's Kevin five and marvel have said the recasting every role that FOX had except they won't recast deadpool. So it's a way to bring. Ryan Reynolds over. You know, it's the cleanest way to bring him over. They could do a whole thing where will, you know, there's a, you know, the they punched a hole between realities and now it's like sorta like secret war wasn't a comics where like the realities are like colliding with each other because the walls are have been ripped open and stuff that could do that. So. Or. Or I mean we can be, they could this could be this can be a way to bring galactic, too, but he's not another dimensional. I don't know any kind of every I dunno. I know one of the movies on the on rumored to be coming up as the eternal which. Could be. That's a good point. You're saying, I'm so fucking confused. I have no idea. I just want king. Yeah. I, I don't even think like you know how when the NC for started, you know, it wasn't until the what vendor till the that's the one two, three four or v movie that thing was revealed as the big band. So like, we may not even get who the big if there's a big bad, or who it is, we may not even get it till you know, three or four movies. Like they could just like drop breadcrumbs, you know, starting now and also the, they're going to have, you know, they wanna they're going to have to introduce some new people, and they're also doing the I mean, she deserves it, but they're doing the black widow prequel movie, which I can't see sort of advancing, the main plot wherever it's going to go. I can't see how that movie's really going. So can I tell you what I think's going to go on without whole thing? So, I think okay. Yeah, that's exactly what I think, I think, more and scar. Yeah, I was colder scarlet witch more amd, black widow are in Seoul World or in the sole snow, what? That's, that's, that's like atom morlocks in they're in they're gonna get. And I feel like guardians three is going to be like a search for Spock situation. I think. That'd be. Yeah, I, I don't know. Like, maybe. I wish there was, I don't mind them bringing more back. But. I don't want them to bring why like what about? Quito back. I want her sacrifice 'cause I want her sacrificed like means something I get it. She chose the sacrifice yourself murder get. And also, there's there's like finished romantic. Green human. Happened between her and quill. So I. I don't happen. I mean is there half green or babies? You don't get pregnant every time you have intercourse. Yeah. I've only had. Once and France results Zoya posers of. Yeah, just the one time. Yeah. Yeah. So blocked up. You are very fertile. So fertile. All right. Marks wrestling. All right marks before we get into the segment I just want to remind everybody listening. This is not a fucking rescue just everybody calm down. This is not a wrestling podcast. We are not wrestling experts were just fucking our weight runny wrestling pockets out there. This is not. We're just gonna quickly discuss a few things that we we'd like to get out there. I'm going to be up front hit w I I'm going to be a front with you. This is usually the time of year. I'm on, like weekly watch hiatus just because shit usually sucks. Okay. So I'm going to be going to be more upfront with all of you Frank is on weekly not watch hiatus all the time. That's not true. He, he masquerades as, like w in fan, but he's really an indie Mark. That's not fair. Total. Totally. I watch every week with check WWE hate on it. And then I don't hate on it. I very critical because I do really think that the story lines and what they've been doing the last year. So as has been real fucking boring in the Nella and in. I worked for w for twelve years sense of loyalty that sometimes clouds, my judgment, but, I mean, I'm a I'm a huge Seth Rollins Mark. Down. I love them. You know, I, I grew up with w I love it. I watched with my son in my daughter every week. It's just this time of year. It's just I feel like they're just marking time. I don't even think they know what they're planning while hero say that, yes, this is usually going into the summer's usually time for w way. But this summer has the potential to be a little bit different. Hey money in the Bank, which this Sunday has sort of become the third best paper, view, wrestlemainia rumble, which is kinda cool because it's got it's gotta pay off right means something be, and perhaps, more importantly, not so much for raw. But for smackdown this summer is going to be the lead up to knock down debut on big FOX, which is huge fucking deal for wrestling wrestling has not been like a major American broadcast network ever. Like Emmer, it's been on USA or Turner or wherever, but if never this is like real Fox Sports is going to be on real. It's going to be in more more homes than any wrestling show has ever been. And I'm really curious to see what the build up to that debut is going to it's going to be on the same network that fucked firefly in. It's ass the same, but also that was like that was like two regimes ago. So, okay. So. So, so real quick. Real quick. Your opinions so to smackdown become the, the, the main show. I don't know raw always going to be the flagship show because it literally saved them going out of business. But I don't know man, like. Fox. I'm like, I don't want your second tier shit. But you. But you in Primo fucking ad time, like I want, I want the top shit. Maybe w what it listen. They why didn't they move Roman reigns. Over is Roman reigns. The top shit randoms the big dog grow it beats everybody that gets put in front of him including cancer. Do let me issue question how I'm gonna get a lot of heat for this. How hard? How many people? Do you think it took McMahon to hold McMahon back from creating a character called leukemia? I mean. If you can't get over as baby face by being leukemia, than you're not getting over. I bet you there was a point relies Sullivan was leukemia. Herself. About. Twenty two. Yeah. His tights, look shitty too. I don't get it. He's like their history of guys just like LARs. As long distinguish. All right. So Bill Sunday. We got money in the Bank, right? Which is a really good paper, you I'm definitely gonna watch it. Probably all four hours of it. So let's run through the card here. All right. The MS verse. Shame McMahon somebody fucking cut my dick off. Stick it in both my eyes sockets fucking me in the ass. Like I do not what, how long why put them on the main show at mania if that wasn't the final payoff. I. I wish I could I wish I had some sort of good answer for this other than like. Anything else? That's not really a good answer. I couldn't tell you the only way this is this is successful to me, if it doesn't go too long, and it's a way to write Shane off TV for awhile. Maybe like. Takes a massive, you know, he's going to take some sort of massive bump and being idiot. But maybe it's a way to get him off for a while. That's the only one so tired of I'm so tired of him Roman reigns. Verse allies in Jesus Christ. You're not even know why love Elias. I'm just happy on a fucking pay per view. The heat brother point. Who cares? Why they moved Roman reigns. Over to smackdown. And this is what they do. What fuck is not in the latter match. Stupid Becky Lynn or what Becky to belts. Becky to belts for Charlotte flair for the smackdown limits championship and becky's pulling Brad Hart duty on this paper, which is kind of awesome two separate matches to seven matches up caso for going on this. I wanna put out there. I'm super fucking into Lacey. Oh my God. They don't even start. I. Take our right to pound out. She is like, really Dr. I'm I'm in. I'm ready to go. I feel like she Charlotte flare except like. Like, rick. That's a. That's a really good gimmick. I'm Charlotte flare without the Rick. Yeah. Although I think to go to the gym to say I. I'm surprised at the Evans push so quick. I don't know. Like you gotta get somebody in there that we haven't seen a million times, like Beck in Charlotte always gonna put on a good match, but like on the other women on the roster like they're all great wrestler. But like I don't I don't wanna see Becky versus Bailey. Don't wanna see back versus done. I don't want Becky Talia. Like I don't wanna see all those. I would've accepted Becky versus amber moon because I like her, but that's about it. So Becky Lee. See, that's for the raw women's championship and four bills correction. Right. So Kofi in Kevin O hormone before move on. All right. We're not. Becky I feel like Becky drops one of those belts, you're not already. I think they're going to want to build like women's title programs on both brands and I don't think that wanna have her pulling double duty all the time. I think like it'll be the gimmick where whatever matches. I is grueling long it up and she loses the second one because she's not on a percent. That's the I would think I would think she carries those two belts, at least. To summer slam. I don't I think my thought she'll beat Lacey and drop a smackdown Charlotte. That's my that's my, that's you know, I'm gonna put put that on the board. What then? She's fulltime raw mentioned fulltime role. Yeah. Back at your booking booking book, and that's what keeps in Charlotte apart from which I like. Which I like Kofi. And Kevin what do you think? I think I'm, I'm be shocked. If Cohen retain. Gonna be great match. But I wouldn't take about all this quick. Okay. So give Iran, brother. No. I think coping it's wrong. Absolutely brother. I, I don't know. Doc K this quick. Hey Kushtia question be honest. Yeah. When when they were building up to the main thing, with Kofi did you, did you get really worried that at some point they were gonna go racial. Did. They did without they didn't come. And they didn't they didn't come out and say they're like people like you. Yeah. But they, you kind of hinted pretty strongly like they kept doing like this always happens every time, you know, that kind of stuff. I just wanted McMahon to have a gimmick where he was just a full hour racist latte out didn't like blacks. Yeah. Just vocal about it, like unapologetic because his mind, he's God. You know, I mean. Like this just for nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, it would have been Vince doesn't like black people in Luke. Imia. I think Kofi rotates Rollins verse AJ universal championship. Well, definitely retaining. Yeah. Definitely Rollins is going to have. I think Rollins. I'm trying to figure out what they're going to do here. He's going to have a run. But I kind of feel like I kind of feel like nothing is going to matter unless it's him in Rome in mania. I know I mean forever. It seems like forever. They've been getting ready to pull the trigger on drew McIntyre. That's the only one I can see especially since he's in the money in the ladder match. He's gotta be like one of the odds on favorites to win that thing. They still high on. I think so. I mean, they've sort of position him to be the number one heel on raw women's money in the Bank, ladder match participants Naomi. Natalia. Dana Brooke Bailey. Mandy rose. Buck. You Mandy, I'm so in Mandy rose. Amber moon. I like him. Ramon Alexa bliss. I love. I mean, she's another one where like, all right? I've seen her when both belts like fifty four times, I want some different. And then maybe my least favorite person in the company Carmella. Okay. Listen, I'm gonna think half with my brain half with my dick, but I, I think I think it's going to be Mandy rose. I look, I look at this and I feel like they're not gonna give it to Alexa, the can't give Carmelo again. There's no fucking way. Naomi talion deigner Bailey get it. I feel like this either Mandy are ember. And I just see a he'll woman with the case it's an I think this is Mandy Rose's time. I mean, they've been really giving her a pretty decent little build up. I think this is the classic like baby face like amber moon. Does all the work climbs the ladder and then many road runs throughout the ladder grabs? The belt like last minute. Classic you'll still fan gimmick. So we agree Mandy rose. Men's money in the Bank ladder match. You are right. This is a really weird lineup. Weird. Braun strowman. Worse. Book can't worst book talent history ever. Yeah. Just throwing him away. Oh, it's wrestlemainia. Let's book, let's book in a feud against Michael shea and. What's his job? Yeah. Jost the fuck outta here. That's like on the banks, you think it is. I think he is. Well the the weird looking guys bang in Becan sale. There's a weird looking guy. He looks like he looks like Romney on meth. Yeah I'm Pete Davidson, definitely gonna commit suicide at some point, I think we all great. Okay. Bronze strom. No. You're good. Okay. Cool. P p Davison, the one that was engaged to this going off on a tangent. This one engaged Arianna Guerande. Right. I don't follow the happenings of Arianna ground day. I don't know. And she dumped him dude, you need to, like, wait a magazine or something, quite why does that have anything to do with kickback and sale, because he moved from Arianna grant educate, and Sal, pretty decent recovery. Is that the guy from Saturday night? Live. Yeah. Oh, that's the guy's name. Oh, I didn't even know his name. You do. Like you need to just wake up. No. I just saw a picture of him like licking her face at a Knicks game. And or whatever the hell it was. And I was like, what the fuck is happening? Okay. Cochet which we know why he's in the match. He's not no chance of no drew McIntyre could be or on payment. If you like. Kind of feel like triple h in Vince McMahon. Love barron. Core been so much. No, please. No, there's no way. No one wants to see Seth Rollins and baron. Corbett. When I feel like. They've already done it with Corman briefcase to time money in the Bank, brother, you know who I could see the dark horse to winning this thing. Don't say Ali. Yeah I'm going to say Ali, I was just gonna say I feel like one week I turned the TV on in the next week I turned the TV on all of a sudden all these in the fucking main event. Why? Here. Listen, just listen to my team so push into the moon really quickly but he got legit her. What happened when he got legitimate? What was the story line thing that happened when he got like he had a legit injury? What what happened? I forget Kofi took his place. Hoping took his place in the elimination actually. That's right. That's right. That's right. Okay. Then you took his place in the elementary chamber match and you could argue that Kofi has the title because Ali got hurt and they could really play that up. If they wanna make Ali kinda he'll ish say, like when reef gays like you only have the belt because I got hurt I'm gonna cash this entertainment back from you. I don't know that way, but there's Bilton story. I think we can all agree will. I mean, we'll all collectively kill ourselves of France Morton win the right. Yeah. I feel like there's no well no you never know. Like I feel like. Randy's done, and he's just going to be like a talent handsome guide out for the rest of the square, and then they all of a sudden they put a belt on them. It's like what the fuck? Fin ballor please. He's not gonna win it. I'm especially to has the icy title, and I'll tell you on dry who's not gonna win it Andre. He's I he's another dark horse candidate man. I think Makati. I think McIntyre gets it. But if I if I had the rank them in order, I play I do McIntyre I honestly I feel like I do under on a second. Maybe Stroman second than dry, but I mean, I feel that they're gonna they're not gonna give it to somebody who's one before, so that would eliminate Corbin Stroman. And or I don't think they just pull the trigger on Stroman. I don't know. I don't know. Why didn't move MAC now? Like he's. Just has no credibility left on raw. I should just move to him and have given fresh matchups. Just I don't know how I don't know how you could fuck something up that was going so well, like a year and a half ago when he would he ripped his shirt off when he ripped his shirt off wrestlemainia, and he was all shredded, I literally cried. I was I was I was so afraid. So that's the that's the pay per view. I mean there's a couple. So what do you think the match the night is? I mean the good thing about this paper view is like Kofi Kofi. No one's could put on a clinic man. By the favorite meal is like from work for work rate. Brother standpoint like it's really solid both title matches the four people in those matches have the capability putting on forty five star match both women title matches, a great are going to be good because becky's both of them at Charlotte and Becky was going to be going ladder. Matches are always good. There's enough good athletes in the men's one where, you know, you're gonna get some sort of six from Rick or Allie orphan, maller, or on dry to be honest, like from a work. Rape standpoint had the chance to be a really good neighbor storyline standpoint. Who knows they could. I mean. WBZ has done way more wrong than they've done right in the past two years. Which is why something like AWS possible. Segue. I, I. Thank why that was amazing. You fucking nailed. Holy shit. Yeah. Hey, w very quickly because the segments running over. There's not a ton of talk about right now. I mean, apparently they got their roster up to like fifty fucking people already. Like how many how many do we know is on the roster? You know, more than making your smart, the ones I could name off the top of my head right now. Like, I'm not if you there's going to be smart south there that could name all fifty. I can tell you. Kenny. Kenny, Kenny, Cody, the box hangman pock, who I'm super in on care. Of course, you've got jungle boy, I know isn't that fucking crazy fucking thing I've ever heard. When he died, I was like, they're like, in his son's a professional wrestler, and they should've fucking jungle boy. Oh, you know who else today w? Fucking girl to know before. Before my favorite woman wrestling. Yeah. So we had a thing here in Lancaster in she, she was, there was a bar and. In she came out. Club. Reba. Reba reba. No, no, no, no. This is no one. I got the picture with Liam at. So they had this thing was like national pro wrestling day a local in the promotion came in town in, they set up a ring in this bar downtown Lancaster cold. Tell us sixty and. Before it had, you know, she pulled the curtain. Right. And so at the intermission, she came out to the ring. Now she's a signed a w star at this point. Okay. This is like a year after not a year. But this is like six to eight months after. She was fucking awesome at all in. So she comes at your Indy wrestling show in a bar. So you figure it's all like indie marks in, like they know what's going on, and everything she comes out. Seller gimmicks at the ring, no buddy. Giving to FOX or a shit. I don't think she's definitely recognition yet. Like, we know our she was Liz, but she was Giannella girl, right? But I don't even think like what she's like she's got full segments on being elite. Now every week. I don't know. But I, I would bet you money at that likes to show if fucking Joey come out the sell gimmicks. You got that thing, actually I feel like they're just not. We don't have the name recognition on national level. I mean people were more excited about Los ice creams. Get there. I mean, it'll get what I was mad for Penelope. I was like, you know, came in super site about eight w good luck. And you know. Hot news. Her engine Eller broke up, right? No. Yeah. That happened a while ago. And I divorced go brother. I'll buy. Just by a couple of gimmicks. You'll be right in there. Okay. So. Shredded. No, he's gonna be he's gonna be a double or nothing. He said he said on one, I can't remember if it was road, the double or nothing her, it was being mealy. He was like, he cut this promo, where he was like, smoking, a cigarette in his like I made dot. Nothing. Like holy shit. Okay. I like I were sort of. I was sort of slow to come around on all in a little bit. But I'm so excited to watch. Yeah. I mean Kenny in Jerko on American soil like it's going to be fucking insane. Dirk, like, oh, carton. Oh, carton table Jericho favorite wrestler of all time. And I'm sure you're gonna may be great. But. Cody thing for me. Let me ask you question. Ten years ago. Somebody said the pay we got this, pay per view. The headliner is Cody and Dustin would you have given a Faulk? Oh, he's sadly, used to run a pre show at a pay per view. Right now. These guys. Each individually cut to the best promos. I've seen in a long time. Throw them up on YouTube, and I'm like drooling for this match. I mean, I am so fucking in there so much heat. I never would have came to nowhere. I never would have thought like for Waco. When he did the most recent row. I think we it's about killing the out there that was, that's what I mean. It took that swerve. And I was like, whoa. Okay. Now this now. Now, they've like set the story like unbelievable. But all right. So. Favor of you need. Knock it out. Well, Joey Genoa might die. So, yeah, there's a death. I mean that's one way to do it. I mean, I'm just like so juiced. What they're doing? Now is, I mean these, these road to double nothing shows on YouTube being really they're so powerful and get you so juiced for pay per view in their seventeen minutes long. Maybe you know, and you don't need five hours of of wrestling on USA network to do it. I mean, I'm more excited about double nothing than I've been for pay per view. Really, long fucking time probably supposedly bird. Him a throne. Yep. It was really good. Yeah. We put with. Let's backtrack to two weeks. The battle the winter. Yeah. My heartache my take on that, that it was kinda shitty. Yeah. So okay, let's talk about this. So. After I, I watched it the first time I was like, wow. That was fucking. That was that was intents. So, like naturally. It made me feel all these feelings. I liked it because that's what you want. You want to make you feel something. And then did the stupid thing going on the internet. And seeing what people are saying. And, you know, everybody's complaining about being dark and hard, the follow and confusing. My first thing was like shut the fuck up, right? Then I've seen numerous numerous things about, you know, the episode wasn't bad, your TV just sucks. And in my thing is like that's bullshit. Like I don't put any fucking credence in that. You know, it's like if you're making, you know, the most intimated episode of, you know, one of the most popular television shows of all time, only acceptable to the peop-, the very few people who have like the super best televisions out there in the world than you're fucking retarded. Okay. But. I don't think it's not a TV thing. I think they, they made a stylistic choice in, I don't I think it fell flat. I don't think it worked. I don't think it had the desired outcome that they thought like at a certain point. Like I get it like they went for realism and the fog of or you're not supposed to know what's going on. That's what battle really be like, but I can only do that to a point because at some point yucky realize it's a television show. We need to watch it. To see what the fuck is happening, just a backup. You said you thought it was shitty. I really liked the episode. I like part and you know, but I will say I don't watch game of thrones for the battles. Right. I mean I don't either not like the battles but I. Thrown. Yeah. I watch it for the characters and then them taking characters away from me and making me shocked and sad. Like, that's that's why. Rensman my second point about the sodas. I feel like they've kinda lost their balls love it. I don't know what to coincidence or not. But like the show became famous for like being willing to kill off its main characters. They killed off Ned stark ABC's of one that killed off all the good guys, the red wedding you know, they killed on Taiwan Lancaster all this stuff, but ever since they sort of got past the source material. They kind of haven't had balls to kill anyone because they don't have the books to fall back on, like they killed somebody in the everybody got really mad at them. They couldn't just say, well it happened in the books. Kind of interesting. So who would you kill off? I don't know. I just like I felt like they spent such a good portion of the second of the year. The quiet episode before which was fantastic. The best episode of the season. One of the best sharper. But they spent the whole episode sort of teeing up all these people to die like, the all these moments that make you feel for them. And none of them die except for I mean, Jauregui, but, like Giora and theon died in the battle of winter fell, and neither of them were like shockers, like I don't know, I kind of expected like Bryanne or Jamie or Sam tar Lee, or. I don't know. I, I mean, they definitely sort of credit. They definitely have me believe they have me in fear for, for Arias life for good portion of that. I would literally throwing my TV out the window. But then they, they had all these moments that kind of made you feel like oh, man, we can't really going get thin down, and like. Didn't really have like survive the long night with really few major casualties got rid of the B C level players. Right. I mean, the rid of. Jor jordan. He's a great character. I love Georgia. But like I expected somebody with some emotional weight to go, like, I don't know who Domino's or somebody in the crypt like Barrett hound. I dunno. They killed the Hal without having gained bolt people would not like how gotta fight the mountain thing. I think we all know that's gone. But I felt for sure when they knighted Bryanne that Mita I thought she was going. Not, then they had that they had that scene with grey, worm misstatement. Sandy, like okay fair enough. They just waited one more week. And cut her head off this past week. About one. I thought one of them was gonna die. I kinda have grandma's gonna die to be honest. I didn't think I saw what? I don't. I'm not sure exactly what purpose brands are now like his whole gimmick, with the three eyed raven was like all tied to the walkers. So I mean I don't know what he does. Now just be creepy. He so creepy mation dealing Saturday. I you're constantly masturbating alternate party. Time to like Rachel drafts Debbie Downer. Yeah, it was awful. All right. So who do you think ends up on the throne? So at this point, I feel like it's narrowed down to. Obvious choices, which are John or Danny. The fucking he'll move which would be seriously, which I can't imagine happening. And then I was talking to my parents. My mom and dad. Both think it's going to end up being salsa. You know what it's funny you say that because I thought that after last night. Yeah. Started that's that's to me. That's the big swerve if they do it. So do you think both John? Happen. I think Dante definitely. No way. I can also see a like point Cheerios made a point over and over again. The show about how when it really comes down to it. Danny will do the right thing. And I feel like the hit that point so hard that I can kind of them being saying like. John true identity will come out and she'll realize that he is the better, he's better suited to be king. And she'll step aside. I think it could happen. But I don't think I don't think it's very likely does John killer that would be crazy. That'd be something I don't know who killed her. I feel like it's kinda gotta be Jimmy kill Searcy, right? I asked them. The only two people that legit kill Jamie aria. That's it. I can't I can't literally think of anybody else, where would feel satisfying Tyrian wouldn't be satisfied. I guess it kinda will, but he's already killed his father. I don't think it's going to be, I guess, that could work, and I guess, like if somehow Santa manages to get to king's landing, I don't see that happening, but that would be satisfying to considering what she put sounds through what I was going to have is they're going to put wheels on the iron throne, and it's gonna be brand. It was a peaceful but really boring time in west one brand. Yeah. Just constantly masturbating under that their blanket that he has over little canes. Always either he's masturbating awarding into other animal and making them masturbate. Zoe. Does how many do we have left to Toobin? Quick fucking. Yeah. Well, I mean shit. It's like us. Two seasons with six fucking episodes. Come on, man. Yeah. This is. Say like last last season felt rushed this one doesn't. What? Last season felt rushed. Yeah. Like everything felt rushed like oh we gotta get all this shit in. This isn't doesn't. Yeah. Doesn't doesn't? Although like I guess when this season Florida, I wouldn't have guessed that we'd be sort of done with the white walkers by now, when, like the third episode. Building to for so long kind of seemed like it was like, oh, that's over. I guess. Yeah, that was that was also a little strange. We'll have a good couple of weeks coming up, especially after next week's episode leading into the finale will be fun. All right. Bill, so big it's time to wrap this up. Been a good one for I one. I think you. Yeah. I mean I I feel. Kinda feel pretty around. We went a little. Yeah. We don't know we have no idea. What's what we're doing? People don't wanna listen to us for this loan. Then go fuck yourself. The double do the double speed thing. And it'll be done forty minutes. You're fine. I beat a lot of podcasts. Fine. Like give us some time. The fuck instructor legs here, the first the first the first four episodes of Buffy. The vampire slayer hard to watch not easy. All right. Hang with guys next week. We're going to talk about we got money in the Bank. We'll talk about money in the Bank results will talk about the next game of thrones episode, which is going to be a big one. So we wanna hit on that. We've got the trailer. Will be in the week leading to the game of thrones finale, which man, two thousand nineteen seems like it's going to have a lot of cultural events. We already had endgame. We're gonna have the game of thrones. Finale, we'll have the Skywalker saga finale and December big year. It is a huge year the two thousand nineteen who knew. We also got the second part of it the trailer drops Thursday. So a book, huge Stephen King fan, she'll discuss that. And then we're gonna do something fun going forward here. We're going to do a into a reread of Alan Moore's epic saga swamp thing and every week, we're gonna read to issues in. We're gonna go over them. We're gonna discuss what Allen's doing? We're gonna discuss the art and. We'll talk about it all in preparation for the swamp, TV show, which is going to debut at the end of may on DC's app. Streaming service, which is like we can get into next week too. But that, that streaming service that app is highly underrated. So the swamp thing show, is what's making me pull the trigger on that, baby. I mean DC for all of its. Fucking around on the big screen, it's really doing well on the small screen side, CW shows, which are fine. But titans one titans was fucking. Awesome. Doom patrol is pretty good. Swamping looks great. I'm I'm pretty pretty sight, cure more month per spring. Yes into tightened, I mean, man, that show was talking about your all time, like felt like I just got punched in the dick surprises. Like I just didn't think that show is going to be that good. All right. So that'll be next week and. Until then stay nerdy. Stay hungry Bill. Any other brother bro.

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Wrestle Kingdom 13 Preview with Fumi Saito

Talk Is Jericho

1:12:09 hr | 1 year ago

Wrestle Kingdom 13 Preview with Fumi Saito

"The chair co network on Westwood One. Tall. Tall recall. Ricco? I welcome and talk is Jericho does the pot of thunder rock and roll and happy new year. Hope he had a great news eve. And this two thousand nineteen is going to be the year. Excuse is big changes all around the world. For for Chris Jericho for all of us together in this big experiment in this big journey called life, very philosophical. But I know starting off by two thousand nine hundred already looking to be just as crazy as last year. But that's a good thing. Hopefully, you guys as well. Let's great things. Come interesting. Like, I said we're going out details on the second annual, hopefully, Chris Jericho rock and wrestling razor at sea second wave Pardew. We're getting ready to give you some information about that. So go to Chris Jericho cruise dot com. And join the mailing lists there to get all the updates. And of course, don't forget the huge gig for Fosse opening for iron maiden in Los Angeles September fourteenth, lots of great stuff coming up, but we're kicking it off with the new year at wrestle kingdom thirteen last year. Ruskin him twelve alpha verse omega Jericho versus Kenny this year. New Japan wrestler of thirteen is Jericho versus NATO two at the Tokyo dome. Live new Japan world, make sure you subscribe. You're not going to want to miss this show every match. As a potential to be a show. Stealer. Gericault versus nature like I said, Kenny omega versus Tana Hashi Okada versus J white Bucci versus we'll Osprey so many other great matches. You could check it out once again at new Japan world. Subscribe now at new Japan world dot com. Do not miss this show. I think a lot of people voted last year's Russell keenum the show of the year, and this one I expect probably be even better. I know that Naito Jericho to is going to be a fight. It's going to be a brutal battle very excited about it. It's going to be the last match of night just career that is my guarantee that is my prediction as my pontiff vacation. So go to new Japan world dot com and see if I'm correct by. We'll be correct in saying that it's going to be one of the best shows of the year in any company. So go check that out. And like I said we're going to break down. Russell keenum thirteen today match by match talk all about with one of the greatest Japanese wrestler reporters of all time and one of my longtime friends and Japan's Fumie site to he's been covering wrestling in Japan for over thirty years. So you hear what he? Thinks about the new Japan resurgence and rescues resurgence in general the Tokyo dome resurgence. He's weighing in on who he thinks is going to win and lose the titles during Russell keenum thirteen and nearly every single matches a title involved, including mine, I'm defending, the WG, etc. Championship the best greatest Intercon. Al champion of all time. Ten time in Toronto championship champion right here. It's gonna be the best wrestle kingdom thirteen preview ever gonna here. With me. I'm in the damn thing and scientists covered all the wrestle kingdom so far and it's starting now on his Jericho. Okay. So we're in the new Japan offices in Tokyo, Japan, and we're gonna be talking about replicating thirteen which is a huge show Tokyo dome on January fourth and joining me is old friend of mine from Japan. Fumi Saito one of the most critically acclaimed pro wrestling journalists in all of Japan, and that's pretty crazy. Like, I was thinking about it. I've known a lot of guys over the years that were in and out of working for gong magazine baseball magazine etcetera, but you're like, the the longtime survivors, still always doing interviews and always always working you still in the business. Yeah. Which is very I mean, obviously when did you start writing while I was in college? It was back in nineteen eighty one. I was still nineteen years old. Wow. Living in Minnesota in Minnesota went to college. My wife is from. Yeah. From northern Minnesota. So I started young a while. I was in college. I was still nineteen. I wrote a letter to editor of dressing magazine and told them what I could do. I kind of wasn't sure. But I lived in Minnesota I can go to all the AWS shows. I can do the photos. I can be good for ringside photographer. And I was like in writes stories, I wasn't sure. But yeah, it was so funny 'cause I grew up in Winnipeg. Yeah. Probably watching the same same stuff shows. You watch him. You talked about it earlier because I became I started watching wrestling the seventies. But yeah, eighty one was when they would come to Winnipeg every month. Yeah. On you're still working mad dog version. My favorite Adrian dish event. Third Swiss connection should team. Then there's a lot of great performances move. We were talking about Nick buckling color earlier. Obviously like HOGAN was there right before he kind of blew up. Yep. No. So so when did you start working in Japan was with because these funny? Because there's gong magazine. Yes. Yeah. He's magazine was actually the name of arresting magazine, the parent company, baseball magazine and the pro wrestling weekly division, then. Yeah, they had we baseball magazine like a forty different magazines, volleyball magazine, the bowling magazine, baseball magazine, of course, sumo, wrestling, basketball, and just name anything. Everything have forty different magazines and throw wrestling and sumo, mount magazine and sucker magazine and baseball magazine was a four, you know, big ones. But and I remember like coming in the nineties, it was very popular the to to those magazines Tokyo sports newspapers because wrestling in Japan when there's a card the next day, you could find the results in the newspaper. Yeah. Just like it was a football game or something. That's the time of the match is definitely sports fans are more reeling oriented, and you find those newsstand basically tabloid, but the those spoil space supposed to become. Pretty much every day. The people pick up at the train stations, right, right? And things change. You don't see when you get on the jeopardy subways? You don't see many people reading those magazines anymore newspapers anymore. It changed to your your phone iphone. Yeah. That's the same everywhere around the world. I guess, but let me ask you this. Like if you go to Europe, for example, rock magazines, still big metal hammer and Karang are Japanese wrestling magazines, still important in Japan. Now, data also changed back in two thousand six who we to have to talk about the doubt gauge Japanese resting, but on the two thousand six weekly gone and weekly fight. They both went out of business pretty much together. Not at the December of two thousand five six. Wow. We weekly fight went out of business. I in six months later, we went out of business completely and baseball magazines. We could progressing wasn't selling that. Well, but. But the changed format little bit. We've changed hundred sixty magazine based magazine two hundred ten based magazine, then the price stay the same. Actually, the price went up, then they banned us from using color slide in us negatives. And no more. Dench ties everything I have to use digital camera. You have to use your computer to write your story, and he's put it in the folder and send it to your printer. And it comes right back and all the methods of producing magazines change to reduce the cost Roger. And then each and every freelance writers and photographers are called in. You have to we have to have a meeting and actually that was some of two thousand seven that our, you know, price of each column all those things just went for what you're making too, right? So is that because the people were more into the internet or was it because the business was bad in Japan. Both communites. Yeah. It wasn't transitioned all the print media and the newsstand tabloid magazines all going to internet era, and we were entering resting stock age era to oh, we struggled very much of the actual the promotions themselves as far as the quality or the stars. Or lot of resin company went out of business around that time that was the peak era Opio, pride and k on 'em and also transition period from your great mood. I in show those Misawa era into your Atanas era you needed a five-year Doug as period. Yeah. That's a retirement. It's almost like Saturday Night Live where they have they build up. All these great cast members in a will Ferrell's gone and Adam sandlers gone. You know, shero terrier Kristen Wigan that you have this cast that nobody knows. Trying. But this the ratings go down and they have to build a new star. I guess yeah. He was like that. Because that's where we're at now when you're talking about new Japan, maybe I don't know if it's bigger than it's ever been. But it's it's so popular right now on fire because of the Tana she Okada Naito Kenya. Mega those four guys. Kind of got the built built around the company on them in the new audience to news the whole new generation body is so where did the new audience come from? Oh FM in era. But the stop our two he's was WWE now, but she can knock him, and he was stunned Haji. Those two are like new era. Big huge superstar starting. Okay. We'll have to. We gotta talk about that. Wrestle kingdom thirteenth today. We'll, but we can talk about thirteen me at the wrestle kingdom. Started back in two thousand seven Dow was the end of the dark era. Until then the ACA five year period. Well, they still trying to do Tokyo dome shows. Yeah. Injury about ten thousand people. Wow. Yeah joke. You can hold sixty seventies. Yes. If I glory days, I mean, the first time I wrestled took dome as a super lighter was saying five thousand ninety seven. Yeah. Five thousand a year. It was amazing because then they can scale it down. I'm even last year. I think they had forty thousand but they'd scaled it down. So it was a soul sold out show much. But that's that's a huge building. So to put ten thousand people in there would look like. Saying that they they turn the lights off at the few that. Yeah. Yeah. So we're these guys that you're talking about like Shinsegei and Tallahassee with the Joe guys jazz. Yeah. So they finally just got their chance and started making waves and to be themselves. Yeah, they needed all star be con-. No and actually, Casey moved or Jono Hashimoto died, and yeah, Dow was where data and really have the real manufacturing. And you have to you pretty much had to wait quite a few years for kinda hush knock him out or to become their own star. Yeah. And it. Yeah. It was also a peak period of pride and the on the lotto wrestling fan, even the serious racing fan moved, you know, from your traditional pro wrestling to your to the mixed martial arts. I guess so. Yeah. So so when you're talking about this, and you mentioned like there was a turnaround because he you know key. Antonio Inoki was obviously started new Japan and seventy two then I think he became kind of a figurehead. But then he actually was it two thousand five or whatever base. Just sold his right, but yeah, yeah. Same logo same name, new Japan. But he actually slowed the whole company UK's. Yeah. The game company. That's like a game like a video game company. Yep. Yep. And then you sold it to bushy road. Right. Another big game company and bushy wrote his kind of where the resurgence came where they started. I don't know putting big money. You do. Yeah. And also the try different formula for advertising putting advertising on your trains and other things. And yeah. And it worked when we talked about when you were had Tana, and you had knuckle and then suddenly Okada's of the ranks of NATO. And then you have this great collection of foreign guys that started with prince Devitt dollar went to AJ styles as the top guy went to Kenny Omegas, dry guy. But then you had all these other gal's Anderson, and you know, now, you've got the young buck and right? A holding you crew that? Yeah. Which is so important too, especially with, but you're to recognize the gap between Scott Norton to your prince Devitt right nothing in between, man. Nothing was working as the foreign guys. Then. Who's even there? I know there was some. You you talking baiter Scott Norton. Yeah. That is stars. Yeah. Well, I guess not was a car Anderson in. Yeah. Gallows I know they had some some affiliation with impact I think with a little bit. But those guys in that regular when you gonna be a star in Japan, you have to work pretty much fulltime like stance and bruiser Brody Vader. You know, the funks right? Yeah. So didn't have any of them. How hard was it in your opinion? When Dobie kinda did the raid back in two thousand fifteen I think when they got gals Anderson. Yeah. J and nakimora Owen wanting Japanese talent in also the American talented will work in Japan at the time thought it was their opportunity. Yeah. To go up. Yeah. What happened to? Yeah. I think so you need an audience really accept that. Because he always wear you for new star. You know? So when you mentioned a whole new audience, and we talked a lot of kids, and there's a lot of he's and it's all. A lot of emails. Yeah. What's spearheading? That is that because there's a lot of good Japanese new hot talent. Or is there different advertising going out there or what is it? Let's combination of things pretty much news Japan audience is much WWE universe. See these new Japan fans only follow unusual pan. We still have this traditional wrestling fans, though, you know, who follow all the groups different groups, you have actually over hundred wrestling companies just out of Tokyo one hundred now, whomever was anybody one point to another. They all have their own off. I thought Ricky Fuji still working. Yeah. Still. He's still works every weekend for Dhaka meets, no Kaz group. Okay. Yeah. Fisher house. He's office. Ricky Jochen house these office was you are a house zone though. Joe is crazy. But that's how it is out of Tokyo, the one that has address and phone number and the website, I'm counting just over one hundred fifteen women's group. Yeah. Crazy every Saturday and Sunday, you look up know internet in the resting schedule. You have ten to fifteen shows in town every Saturday Sunday is that Mexico City, but it's not like authen- thousand people you have the three hundred. Yeah. Hundred people here. Right. Right. Fifty people in a bar. Okay. Whole became you a mic like a huge actually only holds seventeen hundred. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like a big deal. Yeah. To be able to run corker hall. You can sell cork hall. It's kind of the first step to. Major right. That's a news dependent roundabout fifty shows last year, though, fifty Corcoran shows. Yeah. Well, they just did too. And they're doing another one after the Tokyo dome. Right. It's kind of like running for your Monday night, raw after I was talking to new Japan officials, and there was like you have to if you 'cause they said that the demand for New Year's dash, which is the show right after Tokyo like a raw was like seven thousand requests for seventeen hundred. I said you now have to do with WB does do your dome show and then book real Goku sumo arena? Eight thousand ten thousand thousand you would you would sell that out or at least have a lot more people than Corrigan. I think so so many people come from around the world. They would stay for the next night Monday night, raw, right? The after exactly and then the season premiere. Yeah. The news all the conclusion of all the drama come through. And that's right. Your though. Yeah. They you need the season premiere. Yeah. I think they should run the real Golkar because that's something that's going on. Now, too is there's so many people coming from around the world because of new housing thousand NASA new Japan now has a penetration around the world. There's more specifically in North America over the last few years with the new Japan world streaming service and access TV. It's like selling out Madison Square Garden and all these different right? That's a big deal. Yeah. Dhabi unusual. It's just about the only company that can do worldwide, you know, second through O w. Of course. Yes. Lords wide base. But now that the new Japan ward has English commentary on the navy episodes. And that would open up the, you know, Mark WBZ's watching. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Anytime you have a company that can come into WBZ's backyard, right and sell up Madison Square Garden, and you can spend it any way you want to it's wrestlemainia weekend. It doesn't matter. They did something that Debbie has not done in years, which is sell out Madison. Also, they have politically stopped any group or you have C O and you've from coming to actually coming to Madison Square Garden, right and run the show. Yeah. Exactly. They were blocking full for fifty years. I think they tried to block this show, and it didn't work out. But and that's and that's my point. So when you're talking about a company that has, you know, it's nationwide TV on access TV it's not, you know, NBC or or USA network. I wrote it still funded by billionaire Mark Cuban there's money there w doesn't never takes anything like that lightly. We'll so live era live certainly streaming. Exactly. Like, we send early you can watch these shows as they happen. It's like watching Monday night, raw if you have new Japan world tunnel that expensive to get you know, we saw that last year when we had you know, when I worked with Kenny and suddenly the subscriptions in North America went up forty percent twenty thousand subscriber in one day or something. Yes. Yeah. And that was the like I said the bridge Russ you getting these people to check out the company, and suddenly now, you have all these people that might have tuned in just to see Jericho and omega that are staying to watch pretty much everybody else. Not all that expensive. It's just like your w nine ninety nine hundred eighty nine. Yeah. Like one thousand people think as thousand yen. That's ten bucks. Yeah. Right. It's not a lot. Okay. So we're going to get to the matches on the Russell keenum thirteen card Fumi site. Oh, my old friend and a great Japanese wrestling historian. But before we do you guys know why I'm able to do this show for you for free twice a week. 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As far as from the first mass to the last match every-, everyone could be a show stealer. Yeah. I guess. So I was just thinking notes. Wow. Yes lineup. It's crazy. Right. Able to the point where we'll start going there and he'll be four. The result is the new Japan rumble. Right. Not happening this year gauntlet match, and it was a sick like a trios gauntlet match. Yes. Something like that. Yeah. You got a twenty seven thirty guys that not on the main card, right? Kind of like you're under the giant memorial battle. But but but look at but look at this though, when you're talking about who's in that I. Suzuki notices, Akiva, he could be a main event mardi mardi skirl. Right. You Lance Archer debut was even with right? Do you have other guys though, she could Jima ten zone could Chima Nakanishi, you know, down. Jeff is going to be just the whole is. Oh, the guy who's not on the card. Okay. So yours who's not on the car that might be in this in this column matched lighter tiger mask mardi girl. Who was in a huge match last year to mcabe Suzuki. He knows his not almost go this show. The last of soccer show that I had Goto Zucca Taichi. Michael elegant, Jeff Cobb Archer, David Wyss junior. Chase Owens hangman page. There's another one none of those guys on owning Nakanishi Kojima tens on Dave Finlay junior. Check ET breath. Rocky Romero this goes on the main cargo, right? And then they'll always have like a Gino Gambino or like a king hawk coup or someone will write much in. Yeah. But I mean when you're talking about this this level of talent for the dark match. Basically that's telling you what kind of a roster. Japan has to be more and more like wrestlemainia. Exactly, exactly. So we know that the has to be a trio. But if you had to pick, I guess, we don't even know what the trio's are. It's going to be hard to pick a winner. I'm gonna say whoever Suzuki's team is I think that's who's going to win. Right. He's guys sukey and or somebody like lines Archer debut boy Smith and with minnows. Oh, that'd be good. Just beating the crap out of everybody could be a good one. And so but the official opening match is against. Taibu we'll Osprey. Now this match is just completely insane. To me. Like, I think both these guys are maybe the two best agile. Hi. Hi, fly is also beyond your imagination. You're appear to me with style with twenty twenty. Yeah. You know, I watched the match last night that they had in cork. And it was a tag match of Bucci can't Iverson. Aw. Diving Franklin Steiner he spins land. Did you see that best spots of ever seen? If you haven't seen any great camera. The very underrated. Sometimes the camera crew, but they caught this shot. So what it was Osprey was standing on the top rope. Bucci did a springboard into a top rope standing super Frankenstein owner. And when he came through Osprey did a front flip and landed on his feet smile. Smile Tyler on that was amazing. And then they had this angle is focusing Bucci. Yeah. Turning around slowly in looking at aspirin. Yeah. Bush's in the foreground raised kind of in the background, and it was such an amazing spot. Spot. Just a taste of what we're going to see with these two guys. Which is interesting to me because there was a big controversy a few years ago. Yes osborne. Ricochet right. Yeah. Like somebody that late Vader Vader. No, no. It's looks way too choreographed. It ain't wrestling and to me. Yes, it is wrestling. And that's the best thing about restaurants. There's so many different types evolves. And like really variety show. You can have technical match. You can have a brutal brawl you can have a championship match or you can have this amazing display f- athleticism, and timing and chemistry, and I feel that Osprey Bouche you're going to have that same vibe that that he had with ricochet. Yeah. This is a perfect the is two guys. And I also think when I first came here last year when I did the running on Kenny in Osaka. The first appeared I couldn't believe how big Osprey was. Oh, he's tall, right? Is actually pretty tall taller than I am animal. Wait Huby heavyweight. That's what I'm thinking. I think he has a chance. Become to become the next fin que J canny spray. If you're going for that, Linda jigsaw. I wasn't sure when this controversy. You just talked about Osprey against wrinkle share that looks like two guys memorized the whole dance with some bright. But the nobody can do else can do it. Right. Yeah. The way things I had steamboat on my podcast, go and talk to you about the great wrestlemainia three match versus any savage savage that whole match was choreographed from spot one to spot done where they had it written down. They would that savage style. Yes. They would quiz each other. Gimme moves number thirty five to fifty two or gimme stealth by and see Rogers, everything buddy Rogers used to do that really, buddy Rogers. And he's buddy. Mind, but they had. Shoulder block to duck onto the jump over to international heavy. That's that's twenty four. Thirty two twenty four twenty two twenty one. But that's that doesn't bother me when you get guys that can do it like you said that no one else can do athletic athleticism. I mean, incredible stuff. And I think that's what's called these are soul special machine. Osprey both of them very special. But Bush's not a easy in new Japan guy or no years now, he is he and Kenya. Mingas almost isolated case. They started was independent company called DDT. They were discovered by new Japan and got signed away. Some when you go to new independent shows, you will find one or two guys that are already kind of special, and you kind of new Japan when discovers consign them away. Do you do that? Sometimes you mentioned if there's so many shows in Tokyo. Independent show. You go to rock concert or live house show or a movie that a not so good. You find one or two things that are special in right, right? So where did you go to the bench show, you find one or two guys? Oh my gosh. It's this guy can be something special. So do you. Do you tell somebody this detail somebody new Japan or on the not the newspaper? We've talked about have you seen this guy. Yeah. Word gets around. Then some people notice same guy. Is there a guy right now in Tokyo that you're thinking? And there's so many also what whatsoever. Special aspirin as that news generation independent wrestlers already starting emulating him. You know, what Oscar does. Yeah. Like the night after you see this guy do certain things next week you see in. You'll say moves in put they're pushing it to the next step. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's got regular guy who's athletic enough can copy the move through. What makes difference you'd be more creative? Right. Yeah. Ospreys crave. If wishes creative. I remember the first time I came to Japan FM w ninety one these Aki who I was. He did a moon salt. Yeah. And nobody at the time. And so when he did the moon so you had to make the save because it was such a tremendous move. Gosh, she's beautiful in the in the match. And that's what I said to today. Meltzer. We're talking with dynamite kid, whereas in one thousand nine hundred eighty three when Metallica came out. Okay. They were playing so fast and heavy you'd never heard anything like it really now in two thousand eighteen everyone plays faster and heavier Metallica. Just seems like. Oh, yeah. Metallica. But at the time they were pioneers revolution. That's what dynamite kid was like that is what is accurate with this moon Cy right, everything special and something about him. You know, the bottom. Yes, exactly new disguise going to be a big. He's going to be a big deal someday. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the we have. So this is for the never open weight championship, right? Bouch match opening like gosh, I'd hate to follow this thing a couple of years ago, and Kevin Owens were at rest of Asia wrestlemainia. No, Kevin Owens in the opening match was AJ versus Shane McMahon. So forget it. You can't follow that. But I'm going to say never open weight Obuchi just beat Taichi for it takes. You will go go go to okay. Wow. I'm going to say. Let your special. Yeah. Yeah. He's I won't me over you know, 'cause. Right. When Vader talked about Osprey ricochet match. I was with Vader's op- opinion. Right. That way to choreograph to be believable. But over and over as how Oscar is, of course, talented, but creative. Yeah. Keep coming back with something near you know, he gained more confident. Yes. Over the years. This guy's special big guy. And I think now we don't know the future of right Busta, Kenny, Cody they need to build. Australian. I think like I said he could be the next big foreign Stover so style twenty twenty for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So second matches the I w GP junior tag team titles. The three way Canada. Maroon desperado showing yo which is three K Takagi in Bucci who are from Los ignore ablaze. I'll go shit bushy in the thing is here. Here's the thing. And I it seems like almost every match on this show is for a title. I think we'll be much British every wait die team US, titled junior title O'Connor. Jay, white is the only match on this car. That's title shift. Right. Are we getting into a position with us too many titles in new Japan nuke style way? Yeah. Because he almost don't need never. British title and right junior tag team. I guess you could do that. But I mean, like what's the difference between the young bucks, and you know, bushy into Kagi those young boxer in the heavyweight tag team, but they can work junior heavier style too. But that's, but that's the way that the business is now the Fumi when you look at okay. Like, let's go to WBZ where you're talking about two five live, right, right? And he got these guys that are doing kind of the quote, unquote, cruiserweight style remote in the main event. It's it's Seth Rollins. Know who can do all of that stuff in his pretty much? Thank you for Murphy is the same size as as Seth Rollins. This dual five what's the difference? Right. So I'm gonna lose that like that. Yeah. And there's a lot of guys AJ's in there, and you know, those type of guys very similar so you annual Brian Daniel, Bryan, similar those guys. You know, if this was ten years ago would be in the ws away cruiserweight. Yeah. I was a cruiserweight. Eddie as a cruiserweight. You know, you talk talking two hundred ten two hundred twenty pound guys. Right. But as a star of the show that, but they force out there who wanted to hold you guys, Dauth course, and also to that was the transition time like we mentioned when when size was still an issue shoe Cogan. There was still that time. Now, it's not an issue 'cause all the guys are pretty much. You got a few guys that are bigger, but everyone's pretty much the same size. Yeah. I guess so now so yeah. So you talk. Okay. I like Bucci showing your a good team to though. Yeah. Total baby face. That's one of those guys that weren't doing anything put them together. And they got a cool name because I don't know even know what their full names are in also this special Japanese wrestling formula, you have to leave Nagorno foreign country for about a year. They come back with the long hair or neutering name or new finish. Is that what they did? Yeah. Where do they? They go into independent in America. Okay. Tempera boys. Oh, really? Yeah. Just working independence though. I think so. Yes. Emperor boys kind of cliche. Maybe today was name. The ten per boys. You throw in salt in your opponents is kinda almost American shares. But they came back like somebody. Yeah. You know, what is their names showing you do, you know Dato would is showing us real name full name Tanaka show. And what? Yes. Show tanaka. I'll give us the Merced. I ames. The first names. Okay. Another tanaka. So who's the champions? Now is it? I'm not even sure who's a junior tag team champions to tell you this for auto. Okay. So I'm gonna say you're going with the bushy and Takagi I'm gonna go with showing you, okay? Go with that. So that's I junior heavyweight champion Takagi and bushy. Both got hit in the head by chairs last night. Yes. My crazy Canadian whose name will not be mentioned me. Okay. So then with the British heavyweight title of this one here, very interesting as itchy versus Zack sabre junior. Yup. That's funny. Older two different. Once again when I first came into new Japan I saw. She in the dressing room. And he said, do you remember me, and I was like who is this guy? And I realized he was a young boy in general in on during beg carrying back. It looked almost exactly the same. Just now his bald head has gray bits of hair before it was just black Carrington. Mr. was right. But he he's just recently over the last year got all the next live right survival. Yeah. Like, he's he's a guy that has a great match every night pretty much, right? Not technically sound. I mean, they Mundi doesn't have this fancy rookie moves, right? No top is. Yeah. No dropkick nothing. Maybe he does dropping every now and then but just being tough guy. Yeah. Believable, tough guy beating the ship him Suzuki. All rap each other. Yeah. At power struggle. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's something. I noticed new Japan style is somehow. Elbow forum to the face. Yeah. I'm like that man. She does he know this. We specialize that. Yeah. Not anybody's bushy, you know, not everybody's aspirin. No one wants the NHL righty show. But here's everybody's getting you'll mega. So she like we talked about more of a tough kind of a bruiser against Zack sabre junior. Who's one of the best technically, I think so. Yeah. Which is so funny because when you see him he's so thin and just all looks like a little kid. But then he gets in there. And he's one of those guys that just knows every Karl Gotch Billy Robinson Setis fans. Traditionally always liked the style. Yeah. But and also to like, we talked about he's so good at it the that it puts them in a completely different level because he makes it look so easy. And if you try and come on him like. Guys like, Johnny saints. These people try and copy Johnny Saint and no one can do not quite the same. Right, right. I find this like that was October junior. Yeah. He's very special very interesting. Evolution stuff guy image against tax savings juniors. This European total catches gets Jen. Submission core. Got speedy Robinson things it'll be very interesting when you work with a guy like legs ES j you just have to hold on. And let him do do things. You know, like, I am not a technical wrestling. I really never was. But when you get in there with the galley that's like working with Milenko or eagle as long as you're kind of holding on you'll get put in and out of stuff. Like, oh, yeah. How did they do that? Puzzle. Yeah. Yeah. Just just his his style is so unique and flowing. Yup. Just it'd be Gumby or somebody. So I would assume that Zach is probably the British champion champion is she's a champion seizes champion right now. So maybe this is the time Zack say Virginia. We'll get the title and bring that back to Europe. It's. And I don't know. I know like in Debbie, they always keep an eye on how many titles which is. There are. Whereas last year. Yeah, I know in wrestle kingdom. I think there was like six times. Care. You have to watch it. Yeah. So I'm going to say keep it on. She just because I'm sure there's going to be awesome, other switches. Sure, that's my prediction. What's yours? The I'll go with these. She. Okay. Yeah. Then you got kind of the new era bullet club, Tama Tonga and Tango versus the young bucks versus evil Tanada for the idea. BGP tag Hijaz another three way. Yeah. This is just too many guys on Ross. Because I junior tag team title match this either GP tact him tighter, much, both triple threat. Yeah. And that's reminds me of wrestlemainia yet through just guys. Right. So many multi person matches too many guys where you just you want to get everybody on the show. Yeah. Word we just talk about this via the doc match. Thirty guys look at all the guys in there. I mean, and so it's kind of the same with. I think the young bucks were kinda the the odd bucks out support him in there for the three way. You know? I it's a good mix of styles. Yeah. This one, you know, and it's interesting to me when you're talking about Tama, Tonga, Tanga low and and kind of this new bullet club. I'm wondering is it time to change the name? Do we do we I would say it's time station. I think so like bullet club has been through so many different phases and guys and his so synonymous over the last couple of years with the box canyon, Cody. And now that they're gone. It seems like they want to change it to something else. You know, the whatever the yeah. But the I guess the companies still have to sell March. Now the bullet. I guess it's to bind it. Yeah. End up not shirt stuff like that and still going. So I mean that that's GM concept. Yeah. But the evils another Bambi. Yeah. You know? And this is nothing. You know, if you go online and read how the young bucks talking about how they're you know, they're done with ring of honor. And there's new things happening. I mean, they might it seems to me that this might be one of the last times we see box, and Cody, and and maybe even canny, which we'll talk about later. But if the bucks are gone, they won't be winning so. Yeah. Evil and sonata. I think is your best bet. You know, it's gonna be weird though. Because I mean, the the box every match to have is so good. But you know, I mean, I even sonata they'll take them, right? You yvonne. And now here's another thing to these guys have to go on after the other three way junior tag team. It's almost like the same style of match right again. Right with three teams six people in the ring, and as a wrestler, it's hard to do that. When you have. It's like having two cage matches in one night. Once you see won back to back. Yeah. If I was the the bucks an evil, and Tom I would wanna go on before guys. You know, the other guys. Yeah. Then we got the US title. Cody, don't call them roads versus juice Robinson for the idea BGP US Thailand. And here's the interesting, and you can tell me about this. How is it? I mean Kenny in Jericho notwithstanding. Can you get the the heat as to foreigners in a match like this juice Robinson is considered new Japan wrestler? He went through DOJ. Oh system. Yeah. And yeah. Before he went to WB after. Was was Florida championship wrestling developmental in also part of the inex- t-. Yeah. And I think he was part of the performance Senate too. But he decided to pack up and left the country, and he came to Japan is start living in DOJ. Oh, oh, yeah. So he did to those your style. Oh, it's just know that. Okay. So he studied with new Japan. The first match guy awhile. No this him and with about Jay white later. But yes, Finley too, right? Yeah. Interesting. So so the Japan fans will get behind juice, juice Robbins and little baby face easier for coda to be healed in. Oh, I think so I think so I think juice Robinson will be more popular than Cody. Great matches juice had a great Macha. Was it was it with Kenny or who had a great match with somebody recently or juice juice lobbies against on hashish single masters cocaine last year was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's another guy that the company is going to build up as another possible. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Four wants to stay here. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I mean, if you can take Osprey, and you mentioned, we'll talk about j widened juice. That's a pretty good, you know, new era, if we lose the box, and Cody and Kenny, but so yeah, I think once again by their own admission of these guys talking about how they're going somewhere else or starting their own company. Whatever it is. I think it's juice. It's going to be the winner. Probably for sure on that one. Yeah. In japan. Yeah. Yeah. And also he has something about him is total Babyface. Yeah. Total likable guy. Right. And almost kind that. I like Roman reigns style. In the swamp punch much thing. He has that's okay. Like once again like we talked about. Earlier all you need is one to one or two or three few c- insure moves. And when you can get those over, that's all you need. And then you just figure out ways to weave in and out of it and to fool people. Yeah. And you're all set it right now. Juice Robinson hasn't had much push yet. I've been watching this guy. So I like him and he's to- something about him. It's total Babyface. And that's smart, you the new Japan system or any system, but you build a guy like you said I match and then he wins. And then he goes the second match only for him to be the US champion movie costume. Yeah. And everything. So all right. So we're in agreement on juice getting that then we've got idea GP junior heavyweight championship because she versus issue Maury. It's more. Oh, another total game computer game. Video guys more is like that. Right. I think so. Oh, yeah. Oh god. Because he just came to Japan recently. He was working in impact. I think right before that he was with progressing, nor it's more. Yeah. Okay. And originally from autumn it's ragged school. So as Okada which I did not know, right, right? I had no idea before new Japan. Right. Yeah. So you the outcome. That was one of those guys who was working basically, independent discovered by new Japan and got signed away. Really not come to the does so much WWE. Right. Yeah. Fine. It's good in the developing your new guy at home on Senator Dole Joe system. But when you find somebody special independent city, you kind of scout him in just signed the way. That's what happened with Takagi. She dragon gate. He looks to talking about Takagi. He he looks like somebody always somebody when he came in Osaka. Power struggle has who is that guy. But that's the best. Yeah. He was a style with dragon gate, so you can find these guys and bring him in. So that's what they've done with this. She Maury and cheetah's is now she does also Jewish student. Originally. I okay he went to Canada in debut the independent in Canada, then discovered by new Japan. You got signed aware that quite a few. No, just a mention quickly. He's if there's any update on Hiromu who had a neck he's out little longer than we, you know, we all regionally thought. Oh, okay. But he's still maybe can come out. Yeah. I think so good still out months. Jarrell terrible looking bump during the matinee. And if he finished the match, you know, it's amazing to me. I was watching last night in the Bucci Osprey, Kenny and Tana, and as I get older in the business neck, bumps guys, it it really bothers me. It scares me. And Osprey took a bump like he takes crazy bumps as it is he's he's calmed down a little bit. But he took a bump off a clothesline right on the back of his head. And just watching it. It's like oh. And seeing that injury that that he had it. You know, go Franken Steiner complicated something echina- through might on his head. And then it's funny because people say Japanese style is. No, it's not. It's it looks risky. But you do a safe. You have to be saying, you know, what I'm saying? It's up to you ex. Yeah. It's really spectacular Kim bump, but you do it safe. Yeah. You have to make sure that you protect yourself and understand your opponent with the move is. Yeah and worked together. But like, you said, this is going to be another amazing high spot extravaganza wrote, I haven, which is the the great lineage, you know, for so many years of of like when I was here in the nineties with laggard and Sam Orion Otani. Oh, yeah. Account Emoto and all these tremendous tremendous workers. So I don't know. I like you. She more. I don't know if they'll give it to him the championship. He looks great. And he works great. So he speaks English to. Yup. Which is always a plus. So I'm going to say issue more. He's yeah. I say either way I think she initially Maury should have match. Knicks five years. It doesn't matter. These two should have like a dozen dozens of matches. Yeah. Good chemistry there. Now. I think so. And then I'm size. Yeah. And same style too. So as move into very important three matches very kind of the final three triple main events sort of thing, the the one mash that does not have a title at stake, and from a guy that was the main of it last year of time what Okada because each has its scope disco Kaba. Yeah. And j white who is another guy who came out of Joe, right? Yep. And Jay's it's interesting to me that they found him. He's from New Zealand. He's a big guy. And I can't believe that. No one has tried to steal him because of his size. And you're looking guy looking guy. And you know, I think last year he worked against Tana Hashi at the Tokyo dome, which was a little bit who's soon soon. So what you think? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know you probably think differently. But no, no. I agree. Gee, I think so I think he has it though, he has it. But the little too soon for a match of style, which is out high up, which is funny because if you go to last year's triple main event. Yeah, it's the same six guys pretty much. Yes. It is. It was Cada and Kenny Kenny and Jericho Okada NATO j white and Tallahassee. Exactly. Same six years. Sakata J Jericho NATO Kenny end Thomas say six guys. So yeah, exactly. It's your six cashier building around. But. Oh god. He's so good. Like, maybe just from watching. I've never been in the ring with him. But maybe the best maybe the best. Former baby, you know, just watching him very smooth, very smart athletic athletic grade, drop kicks. And being the champion for such a long time. Is it strange for you to see him in match seven line? This is find all seven eight nine these three matches all main event knowing the mission. Just you've got to sit home, right? You can sit tight and watch all these three. Yes. The the moneymakers. Guys. Yeah. Interesting and switchblade, I think he's the leader of this new book club with Tomasson to. Yeah. This is bad luck Fale and all these other guys. So, you know, I think Tana beat J white last year the Tokyo dome. I believe. I don't know who do you think you'll cutter? Qatar God that should still be Jay white. Yeah. You think so I could see a white can challenge, you know, this tunnel. She or Kenya. May go night doors somebody little bit more famous and has more longer career. Jay white has been around only four years altogether. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. So you think and this is what I love about Japanese pro wrestling is that there's a certain believability. So you think it's not the right time for JD beat Okada just from experience stamp, some Orissa became, you know, become more popular by losing. You know, they love underdogs. You know, what I'm saying the fighting spirit. Yeah. Yeah. Challenging one more time. This really is the country, and it's like this in the states, but more so here where you can get over just as much by losing by winning dynamite. Kid tiger mass. He never won the max against. Yeah. Tiga masking still reasonable dynamite. Kid talking about. He's not the only seven matches single matches every single matches. Then Mikey last. But one some really, but he was just as popular. Wow. You know, what you see in the match, and then you get. So carried away. You get so involved, you know, and people secretly loved dynamite. Kid just as much as they love Tiga masoleum the match. Yeah. Let me and John CENA wrestled twenty times. I don't think I ever one. But I don't think so. But every time was a great match. And I think that's that's like you said you can you can get over more in a lot of ways by losing. Then you can buy winning. It's interesting too. I can tell you that story talking about Tom of Tonga entangle their father Hakuna hukou. A one of the first great matches in my opinion that I had here in Japan was was in ninety four against king Haku, really. I can't remember where it was. It was some country town. Yeah. Or something and it was a single match. So you match and we had this amazing match where he sold for me. And obviously, he's a killer. Kick the shit out of me by fighting back back, and he gave me the finally at the end is finished was power bomb, and he gave me the big power bomb. And he told me to kick out one to kick out. Okay. Kick out huge pop big reaction. And then all he did was just picked me up and give me another one one finish. After I got a standing ovation kicked out of the one power bomb, though is a killer. He made me he made me by having me kick out his finish. And then just no transition will more fancy shit just picked me up and give it to me again. And it was a great learning. Like, okay. I just got over way more. Losing losing than if I would have given him a small package or somebody wants to three. Yeah. Right. You know? And I think I think this is same way the same thing though. Yeah. Okay. Say white can lose then be over. Okay. I will say I think it's gonna win. Okay. Only be something creative though. I'm just trying to think of where they might want to go. And and once again, there's this big hole in the foreign size. Oh, yeah. I have a feeling that they have planned for their white. Yeah. Either way either way you'll be a future BGP heavyweight champion at some point. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. And then we move onto my match of Jerico versus NATO and the continental title. Yep. You know, once again, I I really think that night to is probably the best promo bist Rommel from the new Japan guys right now, you know. Yeah. I if if if we had a like an app where you could just hold it up and everything he said Japanese was coming out in English. Yeah. Those promos would fit in the United States right now. Okay. His attitude his vibe, they'll tell me a little bit about the story of NATO about how anti-establishment. Yeah. But wasn't he supposed to be in the Tokyo domain event at one point? And then something went the has some kind of a vote to see what was going to happen. Did you hear about this the well, why was that do you know what the state though, at one point we come over here? You're going gonna get your talk is Jericho debut because I think what had happened was. He was supposed to be in the main event of a joke. You'll dome do you know the story. Do you do, you know the story? So tell the story this is Taito from new Japan. I. You know, that time Naito one Jiwan crime mocks, but funds are not automated him so boat. Was happened. Dame fans voted to night, Tallahassee versus Nakamura didn't much the main event. Supposed to be Nakamoto versus NATO Nakamura versus Tallahassee for intercontinental championship will be semifinal much. Then Okada versus Naito will be. I wish you behavior ambition for the main event, but. Ripta lizard of the boat. The much older is changed. That was it. So so the match stayed the same. But instead of Okada NATO going on last they went on before Tana and Nakamura because the fans didn't believe Naito was ready for this position. So there you go. Serious gave him a real. Thank you, title, gave him a real chip on his shoulder, which I think have attitude. Yes. And I think after that is when he went to Mexico for the loss ego. Now, rob lays on and came back with this added just last year, though, you'll match against Kenya make out or and he was very as match, Dan. This is who goes last is very important here. He was very angry about that last year that he was even considered to be a double main event because he's like, no, it's not a double main event. It's it's it's it's Naito and Okada is the main event, right? And that's what that's why I attacked him at cork in halls and the day after. Yeah. But I think that put a real chip on his shoulder which gave him the kicking his asked to come back to create this whole new thing where now he's one of the most popular guys real on the roster popular, you know, in the faction leader. Yeah. You know? And like I said, you know, I'm going to end Naito's career at the Tokyo dome. Okay. And the reasoning for this is because. When you're on a card with all of these matches. What can I do to make our match standouts? It's different from eight other championship matches auspice. I've met. I want to. So we want to have a more of a. Brutal violent type of a match that that is me focusing on ending his career. So, you know. You know, what my prediction is that I'm gonna win. Right. There you go. I'll go with you Christine. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Give you twenty years later. Either way. Like, I said, I'm very divided. The match headed dominion. This year was was a lot of fun. And he's good, man. Once again, you've got a lot of great guys saw this type of match that. Like, I said earlier news Japan. Wrestling fans are much lot like w universe. They watch new Japan. Only therefore, they know these all these characters and all these wrestlers in and Christine was matches pretty different from everybody else, you audience have to sit and think say you set up the table, right? The be the match then people watch that right? Then you don't use that day before it's kind of something happens at the beginning of the movie, and the he leave it Nance, you know, you gone for ten fifteen minutes, then you come back to their, you know, the spot where you used a table when they're not expecting. You throwing two cheers, you know. And the one will be used, but the 'nother share will be like us little bit yet to come into play. So those new audience they have to really bay attention to. The movie, you know, and that's and that's where you can like you said use the tricks that you learned from twenty eight years experience. Yes. So yeah, I'm excited. It's going to be something new or something ever seen something different from from the rest, which is what you want. And then this the main event the other half of the triple main event or double main event, whatever which is the best belt machine of Kenya. Mega versus Tomahawk. She for the idea BGP title. Kenny won the title from Okada at dominion this year in June. Once again, I mean is this KENNY'S last match in new Japan. I don't know. I don't know. But either way and also this might be it's been announced at the might be here Tallahassee is the last opportunity to challenge for title. Really? Yeah. Wow. Okay. He's forty one now and small Bah. I don't use any example. But the Shawn Michaels, you know, that you can still be minivan. But this might be his last optionally do headline card last chance. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to go for her. She, you know, isn't there is there a little bit of animosity between tunnel Hashi and omega style bresson's when Kenya maga- an embassy and Cody had triple threat back in October kind of hush in after the press conferences, that's not wrestling. What I think of wrestling. Why would we three guys friends breaking table on each other doesn't doesn't make any sense? You know, if they say today's style, right? Today's star. But this isn't a wrestling. I learned. Very good, though, the, wow, so nothing. Good though. Yeah. It's like a subtle subtle problem sort issue. Yeah. I mean been believable because down the high. She does what she does and pretty much old school wrestling, you know, high fly floor like your frog splash this only when she uses, you know, his stick with it. He's very much a Bret Hart style. Yeah. Everything he does looks good. It's not like he's doing a bunch of flashy moon. Put it all makes sense. Like like last night in that match with a Bucci Osprey, Kenny and Tana, I didn't see Tana like not quote unquote, keeping up with the rest won't do. I mean, I it's like when I worked with Kenny last year and people are like house, Jared, we're going to keep up with Canis. I don't have to keep up with anybody. A good matches a good match keeping up. It's just working together with putting over each other's strengths. Yeah. Or you don't have to do the same thing. They do. Right. You keep a different, you know. I'm really looking forward to this. Because I mean, Kenny, it's interesting when you have confidence in this business, you you're on firemen you you can work with anybody's guys special. Like, you can't you can't. He's just got the confidence that he's got lots of little like great mood, a nine hundred eighty eight little moves and Dick's that. He does. And he's just really fun to watch all across the board. And I've never seen. I'm sure he's had single matches the Tana. But I haven't seen one since I've been here and I'm excited to see it. You know, actually, can you turn the single match was Kenya. Minhas one of the first match was new Japan two years back. Yeah. At the climax, all k- single Matt's. Sure. It was. So can you make it two years ago in the Kenya? Omega today. Two different person. Right. Yeah. So can you make a real confident? And I'm still hoping that this is done hashes night. Yeah. But you were saying that you don't want candy to to leave new Japan. I want to be honest with you. I won't. Can you got to stay here? And headline Tokyo McCartin extend years, be king Japan. It's interesting because now with with all of the international penetration. That new Japan is getting, you know, more influencing the United States. You have to wonder like if Kenny stays he'll be kind of the face of the company and way to lead worldwide. You know, you need English-speaking occasion gallon guy. So sort of for war worldwide market. I think Kenya. Mega international much can headline Madison Square. You know, people would love it. You know, because that's the thing with new Japan eagerly sold out Madison Square Garden, you still have to put on a great show because if not you'll never sell it out again if you put on a great show that's the beginning. You put on a show that ratio. Yes. The end. Yeah. Right. Well, that's the thing. Plus, you know, Kenny speaks perfect Japanese various special if as a Japanese does he speak fluent, no accent, no accent. Oh, oxen ninety accidental bit. But that's a charm. No. But she not a wars or just a phrase. He just speaks Japanese. Yeah. How did he learn that? It's been you ten years. Yeah. That'd be somebody must have thought properly. Yeah. Grandma's, correct. Wow. You know, then pronunciations pretty perfect because there's nothing worse than when you try and learn how to speak a foreign language, and you finally get him hers to try and people just stare at you. That happened try to speak Japanese so many times, and you go like hotcakes Khuda aside like. I'll take. Pancakes. Okay. So he speaks perfect Japanese. So so who is your prediction on this? I'm hoping this is done hashes night. Okay. I I'm going to say to go home. I'm going to say KENNY'S gonna keep it. Yeah. And and stay in new Japan. That's my prediction. Oh win and stay was news as Japan. Okay. Overall, which match do you think is going to be the best match in the last two different ways. Circle though and omega Tallahassee and I'm going to do different things. I'm gonna throw bushy and Osprey in there as well. Right. There is gonna to match far away. But it's going to be hard to follow that one day. Those are so special sauce special as as we wind down your you've seen. Every Tokyo dome show pretty much attended every talk show. What are you? What are the best matches? You've ever seen it until I saw a high. Seattle. I always get asked to who's the biggest American superstar in Japan or something like that. Oh, that's a hard one Ireland. But is there is there a certain matches that stand out for you that you saw the took doing well dog, and nobody could talk at a pretty, you know, new Japan against w five huge one. Right. And that was that was legit told. You them sell sell sixty five thousand right dog is nobody could talk and UW for it's going to be like, you're gonna change the world. You're gonna change wrestling. You're gonna make it a legitimate sports. And all that, and we'll talk came back in be tuck out. I was figuring for LEGO real traditionalist almost like the first invasion angle, right? Yeah. Right. If we wasn't for that, you know, you against new Japan thing. None of those interviews things that have happened. You know, somebody studied it. I think Bischoff actually study that. Yeah. Yeah. At the time. Oh, ended up promotion day believe right? Yeah. So that was the big one any other steno for you. A lot of those you know, 'cause even all Japan when you're talking about the. Against colorado. So many Bashi to all so many good ones. There can happens every year. And then at one point use your ban us thrown what three three oh two or three tokens home shows that year. Oh, really? Yeah. Two or three one in January one in summer. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. So all all in Tokyo. Were they trying other state like if go? Yeah, I think one year they had like a three Tokyo them shows a year. Yeah. January April in summer or something like that. Gotcha. Yeah. The great boat that I saw was I I met Kenny in Christmas time two years ago, which should be two thousand sixteen. Okay. And so January fourth two thousand seventeen was was Kenny in Kolkata. Fifty seven. It's crazy dragons suplex for the top rope, which I yelled at him for backdrop into the table. And there was the first Kenyan mega match ever saw. Oh that was. Yeah. And it was just an amazing match. So, but very exciting kingdom. This. This is a good one good show. Good card, and like we said it's going to be a full house and. If you guys want to watch it, and you're not going to be in Tokyo, you can go to new Japan world, and you can you can sign up sign up English commentary with Kevin Kelly, and Don Callus, which is amazing stuff or you can watch the Japanese commentary, which is always fun to especially if you're an American just hearing, the guy's not knowing what they're saying it just brings up so many goods Elijah and macabre and probably to. Oh, yeah. They do it. Really? Yeah. Well, Fumi it's great to do this with you manage very much. How many years have we been friends twenty five twenty five years? I've used. Wow. Well, it's a great dude to connect with you. And hopefully, we're friends for another twenty five years. Yes, sir. All right. Thank you. Because I'm asked say something the Japanese nobody. That's it. Or thanks again. Fumi? Saito my longtime friend one of the greatest Japanese wrestling reporters of all time thirty years of experience. He's covered every wrestler Kenyan thirteen and he and I both think this is going to be one of the best ones. So you can order it live, but it's subscribing to new Japan world at new Japan world dot com. Like, we said it's a thousand nine hundred ninety nine. Oh my gosh. That's expensive. No. It's not it's nine dollars ninety nine cents. Right. Kevin Kelly and Don cows. So we call on the action in English. It's a great card with a great a great vibe about it. The whole element of new Japan is exciting. And I think you guys are really really good. Enjoy this show. Subscribe now new Japan world dot com. One of the best shows of the year wrestle kingdom thirteen. Don't miss it. All right. 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Ep. 139: I Heart WrestleMania

Tights and Fights

1:06:05 hr | 1 year ago

Ep. 139: I Heart WrestleMania

"Combines and. Pau. Is no perfect. Wrestling. Dies. The wrestler like odd cast to people because yelled out here this morning. Hello, everybody. We're gonna tights and fights show that discusses wrestling sincerity, and Larry that it deserves. And I'll let you decide for yourself with. That means we never saved the amount of which it deserves and that's up to you. We want you to craft in your mind. The perfect present. This is going to be a shorter show. A lot of room to talk. I'm how night long Lublin. Is that a wrestling? Godless fantastic. Great. I know you get it. Fellow member the nation, coversation, cool, calc and collected. Lindsey cal. Yeah. I liked that beautiful take it. It's not true. I've had so much Kofi food that shirt, we should worry that has stars all over. It was originally just a black shirt and the drink coffee stars appeared emanating from my first this point. Welcome back from wrestlemainia. Thank you. I'm old most not tired. Neely recovered it. It's almost like a trip to Austrailia back where for two weeks, you'll be out I've gotten I don't know what day is would you saw so much. You're there. Tell us about the actual trip. Like you got in your flight back was delayed vs. Everything was chaos. So yeah, I flew in immediately after the postpone, which you know, she told me to the apple you, full, man. I feel like I can talk about it. Now, I believe it's allowed now because it been filled, but I was filming a documentary for ESPN, which I on the subject of I keep saying, I'm making it. I didn't make it. I was just. Just in it which wants to some questions for the people that I met at mania. They're like, what are you doing this until you? It's no exciting. We're we're New Yorkers thing. I'm staying in SoHo. So I was down twenty minutes in a cab at that time. It wasn't taking the subway at seven AM with makeup on. No one wants. So I that was Friday seven I am start. And then we filmed all day, and then we went to annex t in the evening. So that was a full a full day if we'd started and then Saturday, I did behind the scenes tool of Madison Square Garden who said by the lapsed fan podcast, which is I've heard there are other wrestling podcasts. Apparently, this is one of them. Okay. Well, they must have just started. Greg news. Just two crazy kids start to make out there in this in this world, and they will lovely. They were very nice people. I met some lovely people. And then we didn't Japan on a Saturday night again that run late. So it was another late day Sunday. That was a low of wrestlemainia. I mean, you all know you all lived at to a lot of mania Monday. We did not go to raw because I thought it was going to die. So didn't feel well not well not well enough. I mean, you should get a medal just for city because you were there show able to see the pre show matches most of it. We were filming joining some of the pre show just like around the arena, but I did get most of it. And I did make them stop else gave out when he came out like, wait a minute. I candice. Appreciate that. And then. Yeah. And then I did go to smackdown on Tuesday. I also did my big brother. So I don't think we need speaking until Christmas. I don't think he is to me right now filled being family for some time. Yeah. Yeah. And all on camera two. Just like very stressful. Can you act? Let you love each other shut up the taste out your filthy, Meryl. This is obscene. We did pull a jump and hug. My brother's suggestion Becky. It was very sweet of her. I don't think we physically contacted about seventeen years. He did lead over because the cameras when she wins to the jumping hook. Mark am was like do you think she's gonna win? I brought it was a polled of reaction. And then we did pull jumping hug look out for that. On your screens later in two thousand nineteen calc jumping hug that's full. Donny. Full dotty so many times. But no, it was just a lot. It was chaotic Vizi weekend massive massive. Thank you to all the tights and fights fans, I met I met listeners. Cream Christmas going though, like three of us. But it it went for the committed during the pre show is really exciting tasks flow as well. Congratulations on having money for flow sheets seats is very well to do fan. I was very pleased for them and for us. But I also want to hear from you little bit more about what it was like to be in the actual stadium. Some of the moments that we saw on TV obviously differently. The live crowd. Yeah. How did the energy field there times where you felt like the crowd be? There wasn't getting something or was. The hardest thing is just the length of it. Is you just get so tired and everyone pumps for every entrance and everyone pups forever surprise. And then offer through the match you just thought to flag, and that is just a given. I think the witness things in the Rena were the full way men's tag felt very flat in the arena where we were. I mean, I call it speak the whole place because the stadium is massive. But it just kind of felt like everyone was getting to do this dolphin. Then it was over. Drew roman. Everyone went to get a drink. That was a much when everyone went out just which was really weird. Yeah. I don't think they got the big Roman pop that they thought they were gonna get anything is they put it on way too late because the kids were all out by then little kids were asleep. That also I think that followed Kofi. It was like everyone was so pumped they either had to go to the restroom. We'll go get something to drink like a lot of people. Our when I went through it because I knew I had to be back to do some filming for the end out to use the restroom. No lines. Congratulations MetLife stadium, very clean just eight plus stadium apart from transport links which was not their fault. But yeah, it was where there's just tons of people milling about in the hallways for that much. When I came back. It was just dead the read that I got at home while the women's made event. I thought was very good. Yeah. That the crowd had spent the last of its big energy on Kofi win. We spent a long Koffi Koffi if it was really emotional as well that was a big wave of emotional energy ram round. The I think couldn't have been predicted. Even though we all knew we wanted it. We were also excited about it. Those also that feeling of you've seen so many titles change hands. Like it was every title, basically. Most every title. So everyone was just so emotionally prepared for Kofi to Louis because it will set one, and you know, this change and that change in this change in the even the cruiserweight championship. I don't we're going to see any more title changes. And if we're gonna get Becky we won't get Becky an Kofi. And then we did. And I think I think people were still people so unto at Becky winning that they were prepared for Kofi not to win. And then when he did it would just knocked everyone over, and it was really like an amazing that was one of the amazing moments. That's right up there with Daniel. Bryan, Warner thirty it really was also the fin much even though that was pretty sure they played his music forever in and out. And everyone's doing the on which sounds dumb. But by then it's eleven o'clock and everyone's exhausted. So when you've been doing the arms like fifteen times by the time the women came out, I just need to sit down how did the helicopter bit play? It was fine. But it was too long. It's like, yeah. That's great. But we really need to wrap it off. It's new it's midnight. It was silly people were starting to get like we have to leave like how long is this going to go? We have to leave. And that was one thing I felt bad about when Becky won the second music hit everyone well versed people will wait did she win. So that was annoying because everyone had thought second of doubt. And then everyone said often chaired and go excited, and then everyone left I was like, no I want everyone to stand air and celebrate with her because this is historic and it wasn't a judgment or a comment on her win. Any everyone all night. Everyone was like I want to evacuate owns evacuation. All the people you've seen. I've seen the last few years that mania in bullet club shirts. They were all in the Manche Susha. It was same type of fan, which I'm not passing judgment. I'm saying there's a type of fan who comes to wrestlemania bullet club Chet for whatever personal reasons, they think is clever, but they were all wearing there were a few bullet club shits, but not. Many not nearly as many Kenny Cody young shots this year. They were all wearing Becky shirts, which was amazing to see. But yeah, that was just people were just ready to go people hat to go 'cause pin with seven days. Did you also get the chance to see the G one super card? Yes. Tell us people people want to know about you want supercar. Big new Japan fan, so super excited for the new Japan side of it. I keep in touch with ring of on. But I don't really watch ring owner. I went to the Super Bowl last Jit under to go back second year and see it. Evolve was amazing because officers at Madison Square Garden, which is epic. I'm really to park up in WWE's dot garden mania weekend. Another non WWE show sell out. And it was so low was full. It was amazing. It was too long again fame of the weekend. It was way too long run over. We thought would be over by eleven I think it was midnight. And I mean, I'm just gonna largely agree with most of the other reviews I seen which is all the new Japan stuff was fantastic. And the ring of on his stuff. Could do better. It was just slightly disappointing. There was a rumble on the pre show, which was fun. It was coca pop was nice to see call in Madison Square Garden. Layton coke about. I really wanted to see that. That was amazing. Great Muthu came out, which was like, oh my God. And you got big holy shit. Chan and that was awesome. And we got thank you like. So it was nice to give him that moment. And then the match is that really sit out we're just they will only Japan. So the Bucci notch obviously is going to be incredible. It was it was really emotional amazing. See of she got icy title bully, Ray did come out. And of course, we had the cast and Enzo running. What was the reaction to end zone? Big very negative. Did they do the talk up that they normally? No, they really tried to sell it as a shoot they. They caught the feed on TV. 'cause we saw something was happening. I was on the in the corner by the ring on the opposite side to the ramp. So we couldn't see what was happening. But yet people weren't please. There was no one who is like fantastic. Don't get just what we've been waiting for gas. This evening needed compliant. Yeah. Oh, we could five minutes. Server bucci. Please know that happened that was unfortunate. And obviously Jay no Carter was just blew the roof off. We've got your report we're gonna we're gonna delve into the little bit more than our next segment superstar shakeup. Let's the stars were shook up. Brands have been swapped. Yeah. People will never be the same again until next year with some of them probably skip over again. By the way. Can we have one of these were that MS does not switch brands news dot possible? One time. No, no, I figured that's because MS hustle. Stay on USA. Because of MS MRs go good points that maybe he will stay on row forever. No. That's it raw for. Or at least until MRs council so headed to Ross. Oh for those what we know them is obviously on draw a and Selena Vega. Cedric Alexander lumbar check. It is way too. The use os are there to revitalize the tag scene along with ricochet Alastair black. So that is exciting. The Viking experience. I can't even is that permanent. I mean talking for you know, they could share they could change it next tag titles. Yes. But it's just I mean, when do we get to why are that first of all why are they not managed by the preserver? Second of all how like why are we back in nineteen Ninety-three era of WW? Everybody has to have a job. Wouldn't it be great? If Mantar came out as a mascot for them. The fit in clicks, right? Worry seeing the possess onwards. Change name bell. Sam. The Colin Eddie Viking, I feel very strongly that Vince saw the we're calling them more people hate war. What do we they like Vikings told them Vikings conquering Vikings vicarious variance, send them out the Cova is if the if you go to the history channel booth at comic Comecon this. You can actually do the Vikings experience. Ed. Ed VR. The Ovik center in York in England, which is known as the Viking experience who I believe made a statement, which is amazing. The kid it smells with maybe. Maybe maybe Vince went to the Ovik center and was late. This is the way forward guys smell also need to change as he changed the names for no reason to stupid names. I don't know. I hate will meet, you know, they don't comment true. There is an issue that we've discussed before they bring up next talent where they expect us to be completely invested in them. Yeah. So they don't do anything to build them. Then sometimes because the other way. Yeah. It's like we're gonna take a group that maybe, you know, we're just gonna make them a completely different. So now, the people are even like, what are you doing done? This might Twitter feed last night was magical on Monday night. It was it was magical. Mental they still came out. And did the wall will watch on which has no that's cute. No one knows what you're talking about. Now. Viking Viking doesn't have the same ring to Viking Viking. Oh, actually, I'm cycling back which is inappropriate phone. That was a massive pop when the iconic won the women's tag right pop when they came out and when they won. Are you? Sure. Sasha banks go and fuck at the. Could have been could have been speak the such. It will allow Donyell wife. I seem. That's why she's not here. She's comforting wife Dominican Republic morning, one of my or the other. But yeah, they got a massive massive pop. Also joining the red brand are Naomi. Yes. Which will be good for her. Get some get some work in for her Ramos Terio hopping over Eric young sanity broken up. I know I'm not about that. I feel they didn't get shake killing deigned. It is so hard to say goodbye to yesterday. I miss you. Also. With me the memories of that one time, we were all. It's so hard to be underused on WWE. Isn't it though, it is and also AJ styles the big acquisition interest in bed. He's there, isn't it? It is what happened. I feel like he didn't remember he was going back to work, and he went in clean-shaven and the makeup team like us. All right. We'll do it. And they just pulled it on with fake tan because it looked ridiculous. It looked like I'd give him myself a comedy bid with makeup. It's like what a five year old dresses like a pirate. Yes. Rubs like Brown on this felt fake tan powder or something it looked ridiculous. He's going to need to grow that backout grow back out. Please cutoff some of silly hair. Remind the hair as much as I hate GIO. I think it's because he continues to lie and says he doesn't do anything to it. And he just he's ever shampoos hotel, you fucking liar Allen, hopping avenue, there's no way. He's at least getting a dab of serum in the back probably leaving conditioner. Yeah for but. But no water makes them different on smackdown. Lar- solan. View within dollar the I see. Headed over the US titles on now. Because smo- Joe was unroll is supposedly Joe might have gotten the flu. So they had to rewrite it. So I imagine on raw what's going to happen. He's gonna come out and say, we don't do things on the management side. We things on the champs time shaken up whatever I want to bring it, then whatever he says, it will be great. Whatever you like. So get better Joe. Yeah. Goodness. What? I mean, you had a very brief wrestlemainia much. So it's not like you would talk it out on some of those. But yeah, apparently poorly poorly bad for those of you wondering whether Sasha and Bailey would remain a team after their loss. They're not Billy is now on smackdown as a singles competitor all out how. Yup, she is all out that interested in hugging into gum and hug all out a hug, so just to do she'll be back stage. Amber moon. Down. I gotta stuff that. I'm knowing myself. Don't even tell us listeners. I get it annoys me to he'll do the cookie this show Markle's at some point to make up for this. Remember when be tag team partner through window. Remember would be in Tripoli come up with glow sticks. Turks explode throw throw number. I'm from the. Also, go. This to ember moon is Apollo crews. Live Morgan buddy Murphy, heavy machinery Kyrie's sane at. Of course, the biggest acquisition in the history. Smackdown. Live eliah. Then gets interrupted by the big dog. Roman reigns. Hashtag baked on blue the blue hashtag smackdown yard. I did tweet a nice done by the I really will. I don't partake in street drunks. But I really enjoy big dog on blue to become code fa some sort of trunk take. I dunno. I figured I'm old. But I don't know what we could start calling big blue. Oh, yeah. No. He's off his total. Don't believe sounds like Viagra. Dogs on blue this weekend. Wife clear the schedule. Push about the big dog on blue weekend long Branchville like no go to take the big one pick. It was my favorite hush tag of old on blue nice. I excited for it. Fine. Why not show? It's a good mix up the women's division on on smack Denison sane right now. Yes, they broke up right at scored without acknowledging it. Chad Gable on smart down to they broke up Roose without saying anything. Very footnote. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's what Donald Bobby rude or team. They wrestled really well together put good matches. But that guy can't catch a break. It must suck to be under six foot. Wrestler. He's tiny dog on blue puppy on blue. She'll sad want even like Roman outfit. They should just get shield with Braun. Also and smackdown now know Braun came out to I'm assuming that was to kick off a program with Joe, which they are going to continue on raw do Druce on smackdown. Automatic friends with with the bar and then sent back. It was a weird. I mean, I know the roar and smart down your always weird, but they did really just lean into it being super with this week. It was when I was at this wasn't a role. They really just leaned in. Now, we're not giving you anything that means anything just behave yourselves. No peach bowls benefits. The most changing brands and who benefits the most from having new people come in fin fischel fin benefits. I think in a big way, I don't immediately know who all of his competitors. But I loved as much with Ali so into that here for this. Also, he looks beautiful in blue. So I'm excited. I think I'm excited for the women's picture on smackdown. Does seem like the pushing down into the tactique show. I think it's I felt bad for Oscar because I was like, oh, okay. Put her in a tag team, and she's just going to babysit curry saying until they push Carre sane into the main event pitcher for wrestlemainia next year for pirate mania, which I'm fine with but also just massively done with sane Oscar gets shit on. So that was kind of weird. I was excited see page back who else is it really good for. Yes. Yes. Fisher. I go. Get a good. I love those men just seem like such good fellas. Immigrate work. Yeah. Con consistently day in day out. Also, I mean worth mentioning here. Not a shakeup Luke Harper requested his release. That's a shame. He's a talented guy. I wish him best luck in his future. Endeavors seeing Brodie Lee in the Bola later this year that will be fun or at. I w I don't care where I see him. I will go and support him. I think he's awesome know someone who interviewed him when he did that movie. And they said he was professional gentlemanly lovely guy. Oh, good. So that's always good to always have good stories about him. Whenever you see a restless talking about. And they're always like that's the guy they mentioned as being someone they like in the in the locker room. That's a toss him. I also think I'd like to see Finn lose the title. And then start a program Daniel, Bryan. Okay. I would I would in an ideal world if he'd lost one day on Monday, I would righted, but then if they'd put him immediately into a title pitcher fight that would have been good, but Kofi still got the belt. So if you get it off Kofi back onto Daniel on them to fin. So it would be confusing. We also haven't seen Daniel yet. So there's every minute every chance he's headed to Rawda challenged. Seth Rollins could be which would also be very good program. I was surprised because I had assumed to save everyone else that it will be Roman Seth going forward. So this is fun to mix it up. Yeah. So yeah. I that's another thing about the shakeup right now. I genuinely don't know all of the feuds look like, I think I could be wrong. It would seem like they're setting up. Kevin Owens to turn on Kofi started program with them on. I'm not against that. I expected him to turn this week. But then when he didn't I was delighted I could see him V unicorn more often they're fantastic pelvic swivel yet. Let him fill it. Make it. As satisfying. It doesn't have to go as long as as he Jerko did. But I think you can still get that satisfaction. And it gives everybody something. Of you. Yeah. But speedy recovery to big. Yes. Knee issues. Miscast right. Yeah. That's a quick one. Let me out a couple of months it'll be alright I believe in him. He's great. I need to do some top to it to work. You will not forget him while he show. Get it social media and love him so much great. So funny. So it's a lot about stuff that was my favorite moment of smacked. I love week. We do a lot about stuff but stuff. All right. If you've got any thoughts of the things that we've discussed let us know what you think about the shakeup at Facebook dot com slash group slash tights fights. And at tights fights on Twitter and Instagram. We come back. It's time for Lindsay's conversations from wrestlemainia listening to fights. Hi, it's Aleka cash. 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Lovely man, Mr. nice chat smells, good smell. Really good had very nice shoal net. Cardigan. Yeah. So we asked our listeners for questions tights and fights because we get asked the same questions. So we've figured what people actually wanna know that out the one question that came up over and over was tells about your wrestling venom as a kid, how did you come to be a fan, a think? I mean, my my first memory, really. Was my grandmother talking to me about these wrestlers that came into the Cadillac dealership that she worked at and it was hulk HOGAN, and Randy savage, and she ended up like selling them Cadillacs HOGAN on a yearly basis. He would buy a new one for his his parents. And it was you know, the minute obviously, she brought that up. I was like, okay. Well, what is this? And I started watching it and just got drawn to it became obviously the biggest HOGAN fan ever when the ultimate warrior beat him. I cried. Is very interesting because the sun dome in Tampa was doing like a live broadcast of wrestlemainia at the time. I just remember my dad carry me out just being like, it's going to be okay. He'll get him back. One too. Yeah. Right. Yeah. That's it. I mean, it was a lock from there things. I what is one thing that you wish everyone understood about your job that maybe they don't get the amount of time put in with the thought process, like a think people think especially the longer you. Do it the easier it is, and I guess in a sense, it would be, but I'm perfectionist personally. And I know a lot of the guys that are extremely successful. In this line of work are super perfectionist. They micromanage every little detail of what we're doing every single day, and it gets to be extremely exhausting. But I think that I mean, obviously, everyone knows it travels. Rough and you know, the schedules rough, but the mental just amount of time you have to spend just thinking about it and my wife recently in the last year joined. Annex t and just getting into wrestling obviously, seeing from the outside and fully understand. But now just how much of a toll like it's a fulltime job. Even when I'm not wrestling. And I've always been like that constantly thinking about it. You know, trying to be a couple steps ahead preparing for any situation. So I think just the the amount of time you spend thinking about it and micro-managing everything I have a bunch of ridiculous questions. Melissa's? I would love to ask you go. If you're going to wake up as any animal tomorrow, which would it be? Elephant elephant any reason. Why just my son loves them currently? So he would just love me more that would make him happy. Yes. And another question came from the Bella twins now of podcast because everyone has focused. Yeah. Yeah. And they have a debate on the show every week. I don't know if you've been able to listen to it yet, but tried but. That debate last week was whether or not to kiss on the first date, and our listeners were very keen to get everyone else's take on that. I mean, it really depends on the situation. How well do you know, what are you guys doing that night? I mean may feel a little loose. I don't know. Excellent tried to kiss my wife and. Wait now, she's your wife. Maybe that Santa is it unless one tights and fights we refer to wrestlemanias ice cream Christmas because it's Christmas. And it feels like we get an ice cream every match. What's your favorite ice cream? Cookies and cream. Excellent. By different brands of the same thing, which which ones went in so far. Really just depends because I can't my calories. So what my mattress fit, but I mean Briars is always good eighties. But Ben and Jerry's. I mean, there's a lot of good. Good ice cream. And if you need any. Maybe maybe Sunday or Monday gets them ice cream Christmas on Sunday. You have to. Hello mandatory. It must is. If you could go back and tell young Roddy wrestler one thing, what would it be just be patient? Like, there was times were never think it's going to happen. And it's frustrating. But yeah, just be patient. Everything's gonna be all right and. Work on your promos. Didn't do any of that until a little bit later in life. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. Very much. Mex is Bobby Lashley and Leo rush. Yep. The whole story here. They would just the greatest they were really really really, really lovely. I was really anxious about interviewing Bobi, and I don't know why I felt like I didn't know how he would be because you never know what these things and also we saw a table with a lot of people. So it wasn't a one on one cozy chat normally as it was like a roundtable thing. But he was awesome. And Julian shed without his favorite moment. Which wasn't a question. I asked him fortunately, which we're going to hear and then we'll took photo afterwards. Leo went to take a photo with the pocus equipment, and we refuse to hold the pig. Mike. It was very adorable. I don't think this is to w a basket. But you know, you hold it it turned. It was a great very flattering photo of me. So I liked it. A lot Bret Hart must've pissed him off the. The. When I said that was was like, but like pink and black attack. Bobby gets a pink of Mike, and he was like, no. Then he like gave me a hug afterwards. And I was like, oh, you should have been like, I don't hug, Bobby. Mother fucker was good as a hog. But I think because I was excited. So first question, can you tell us how you came to your wrestling found him as a kid will me I grew up watching wrestling us and south five years old. And it it kinda happened randomly. You know, I grew up five sisters. So we were all just switching through the channels and a saw Ricky she giving Booker T a stink face, and he ended up throwing up all over the announce table, and I just looked at it. And like man, this is this is different. And then from there on it was history. I've been a fan. Monteilh life grew up being an all American amateur Arcelor, and then from there on pursued a career in wrestling made my way up on the independence. And now, I'm hearing WWE. So that's my little story on how became a professional sports, entertainer fame WB. Grew up amateur wrestling. I am wrestled forever. And then I ended up at the Olympic training center. When I was young Safeway is everyone. You know, watch wrestling growing up and when I was at the Olympic training center training, Kurt angle come by. And he was doing vignette for the WWE. And he just saw me. And he was like you got a great look talked me for a little big change numbers. And then a series of events that happened after that. But basically pass my number on the WB. They contacted me the time was right as a Bank robbery and in my immature wrestling career, they call me back, and then I ended up coming back up. And then I had to try out. They liked me gave me a contract. And then I went to. It's kind of like short version of it. There's a lot of things happening between they're pretty crazy. But yeah, absolutely. Yeah. If those the one thing that you could explain to people and have them know about the job that they may be don't understand. What would it be? You've gotta support professional wrestling. I tell people that because good or bad. He likes her love with. There's a lot of things that we do. And it's it's a tough business. We travel around the world like getting right now, we're up at six o'clock in the morning. We're getting ready for the biggest paper of the year that we should be training for and everything like that. It's a nonstop business will get a little time at home in the right back on the road. And you try to do the best that you can to entertain the crowds all around the world and WWE. It's like we're everywhere, and we're moving never stops the train ever stops. So there's a lot of pressure on us to perform and do things that we do. So I say a lot of the people that made disagree with some of the things that. Earn wrestling. At least you spec the business and know that we are on our ass on a daily basis to to to basically put on a show for for the crowd. I guess piggyback off Bobby said all of the things that we do year round, and people realizing that were doing these things I feel like a lot of the time sometimes fans forget that you know, where people to we we have a home to go back to we have family to go back to. So like, Bobby say like respect us respective respect, the business that we're in and realize that, you know, we're just like we're just like the people that that are watching at home except for you know, we're doing this on the opposite side and trying to entertain China ten attain fan. So that's all I got to say about that. Thank you. I have a question about if you could go back and tell yourself anything from when you first thought out knowing everything that, you know, now, what would that be? That's a good one. That's a good one. I mean. I feel like I promise cell phone and working pretty hard. I feel like the reason why I'm here in this very moment. Right now, you know, being my first wrestlemainia is because I put in the time. I put it in the hard work being only twenty four years old but back then when I was around fourteen fifteen sixteen years old wasn't so much. I was getting a lot of trouble. When I was when I was a teenager, even though I was a all American amateur Russell wrestler. I would barely go to practices. I would bear a hate it going in the way your own. My mind just wasn't the right in the right place. But I feel like if I knew back then what I knew. Now, you know, maybe I wouldn't have skipped so many practices for amateur uh. And I would I would have lifted a little more. I would have put some more time into my my my studies in who knows where I would be right now. And I'm only twenty four years old. So if I did that stuff back, then, you know. I our be you know, ten times where I am right now. I grew up I grew up. It was just shut up train shed a train shed been trained. So that's what I did all my life. I compass a lot and wrestling I accomplish a lot with school and different things like that. But if I had to tell myself, something, I would say, look, there are politics in this world outside of politics is politics in every business, especially in the wrestling business. Learn the politics and. Because like my everything that I've accomplished it's been because I bust my ass. There's a lot of people that are that you guys may know personally that maybe feeding information and different things like that. Never once have I done anything like that. Never once if I've put myself in a position where I tried to Paul tick, my way intimidating everything that I've gotten in this business bust my ass completely. But you know, could have been a little bit easier. If I learn about the politics fed, the right people information road the right shoulder. I won't do that. But you have to understand that there. There are a lot of politics in the business very very quickly. If wrestlemainia dream much any wrestler pasta presence. I think right now with the way things are right now, I think we'll do HOGAN. Let's see us you Hogue it now. This next one is the revival. I felt a little bit to love with. Yeah. I enjoyed the revival. I've never really had a brother revival. They all to the most passionate people. I've ever talked to in wrestling. They love what they do so aggressively Dawson, which was Dawson which ones dash is so intense and so into what he does. It's slightly scary. I did us some specific questions from the tights and fights universe, which they were very happy to answer which you're going to hear and I might be married to dash wild. And now, I'm not sure I don't if he does it. But I love him. He would say, I'm his best friend. But I would say he's my phone. I got to exit. I was like this isn't a for. I'm just gonna keep talking to you. He seemed into it. That's all I'm saying. He was just so nice and lovely and smell nice will listen to your interview with your new best friend and his team partner. But we're going to start with an easy one. Can you tell us about your wrestling found him how you start out with fans as kids? I've just been a fan literally as long as I can remember it's one of my earliest memories. Like watching wrestling with my dad, and I don't remember who it was. I don't remember what I was watching. I don't remember. How old I was. I know I was free school with hadn't started school yet. I was probably four years old than maybe. And that's just one of memories is watching it with him and immediately I was hooked. And it just I was one of those kids that never grew out of it. I just grew more into it. And the more learned about it. The more I fell in love with it as opposed to the opposite. And it just it's something has given me so much in life, like just so much joy and just so much. Everything. So I mean, that's it's something that's been there for me for as long as I can remember and just I love it. Yeah. For me. I distinctly remember my first wrestling memory, and it was when I was four years old and my dad, and my mom and myself, we lived in Georgia. And I remember watching Rick flair on the screen. I don't remember anything else about the show. But I remember seeing Rick flair on the screen with with Gordon Soling. He was doing he was cutting in an interview and RIC flair was my dad's favorite wrestler and then fast forward a few years later me. And my dad we grew this kinship together because of wrestling, so I'm indebted to wrestling because my dad was a hardworking man he worked six days a week. So we didn't have a lot of time to to bond but on Monday nights. That's when we got to bond wrestling that and then. Completely became infatuated to the point was maybe unhealthy with Bret Hart. Still both. Both. He man I feel like he kept me out of trouble. I never was a bad kid. I never ever did drugs. And never drank alcohol was I was I was putting myself over, but I was the model citizen as far as a kid goes. And I I blame a lot of that on Bret Hart. I watched him at king of the ring ninety nine three having three incredible matches and the story that he told through that nightmare. I remember my mom bought me that pay per view from my birthday. And I remember after it was over. I said mom, this is what I wanna do. I wanna be a professional wrestler and now fast forward twenty some odd years later now I have the opportunity to give back to professional wrestling. I can never think professional wrestling enough or what is done for me as a fan. But now as human being too because I take care of my beautiful daughter and my perfect wife, and we have a house in the mountains in all because of professional wrestling. That's amazing. If those one thing you could go back and tell yourself as a young wrestler. Starting out from everything, you know, now, what would that be? And take care of your knees. Maybe. I think that if I could go back and tell myself something would be to enjoy the ride I think for so long. This August will be fifteen years that I've been a professional wrestler and for about nine of those years. I was struggling I was in college I had to pay from own college to pay for tuition, I had to pay rent because my mom and dad they both lost their jobs within a month of each other. And they couldn't help me I had no scholarships nothing. So I had to work three jobs to put myself through college and wrestle because this is where I wanted to be and through those years in college and those years on the independence. I was just worried that I was never gonna make it. I was worried that I would never get here as much as I tried as good as I knew that. I was as talented as knew that. I was I didn't think I'd ever make it and I was stressed out. But I wish I could go back and tell myself just enjoy the ride because even if you don't make it man, you're gonna learn so much for me like other than plate. Plate not enjoying the the processes much. I'm a firm believer in everything happens for a reason. So like, the good and the bad stupid smart anything that I've done I feel like there was a purpose behind it. So I wouldn't change anything other than knowing that I need to have fun. Enjoy it and I need to cherish every memory of it because I didn't come from for money. So like for me, I was scraping by I was doing what I had to do to make ends meet so could chase this. And so for me, it was always a race like a half to have to start making a career to this after start making real money out of this. We're have to find something else. And that kind of way some of the joy for you. Because like the worry does tend to overpower the enjoyment. But now looking back on it. I realized I made so many amazing friends that I had so many amazing experiences because of the journey a wish I had the four. Site at the time to kind of just sit back and no everything's gonna be okay. Up next Austrailia fine than the women's tag team champions, the icon IX are they is lovely as I hope they are. They are this is the second time I've interviewed them I had few them evolution. And they they all the gimmick. There is no gimmick. They all that that just turned up. That is what we always say is the best gimmick is just them turn up. But they all just so in tune with each other that always comfortable, so it makes very easy interview. And they are just so very pleasant unlovely and fun. They don't give very long involved onces. They just like that that have locks. They did have them lovely Connex printed jackets, which was nice, schilling yourselves. Love it. But yeah, they did tree us. You're going to hear like a real treat in this interview. And I'm very excited to show this I feel like we need to put this out in the charts. I don't know see you feel afterwards, please. Let's treat. Couple of questions from all fence. From loss. Giraffe question. It will leave it alone. Question. I'm we'll this question is less would can you. Tell us about your wrestling found him from when you will kids. So always obsessed with the rook he was the first he was gorgeous. Oh my gosh. He the way he moved in the ring. He was funny token the microphone entertaining. So always a little bit obsessed though, when I was sixteen I got my auntie to bake a cake of his face, and that was my birthday cake with the eyebrow and the Brahma bull and everything and then I ADL bit. So that was great. For me. I started watching wrestling when I was nine cutting xactly run. By was I was Eddie gray was my biggest inspiration since I saw him on TV. It was just I mean all the same things that Bailey said I thought he was such an incredible athlete in the ring the way, he moved. He used to make me lawf- on my gosh. I thought he had the cheeky smile. I loved his smile. So I was just mesmerized by him. I also was like kind of into 'cause so he'd let come out and they sickle, right? I'm like. Yeah. He's the coolest so. Yeah. That's where it started. That's cool. If you could go back and tell yourself one thing from when you first sought out from everything that you've leant since what would it be? It's all worth it. One hundred percent. Yeah. That's a good one. And just not that. I honestly wouldn't say that we we never didn't believe in selves. But just to believe. Yes. To reinforce it. And yeah. Getting here. So I think that. It's worth it. Lucky said in the end, it's worth it. Yeah. Last time. We spoke you guys adjusting stars bone. I don't wanna make any. Maybe listen to a loss. Wake. She what should that was going to be my next question. How many times have you watched it since the last time, I was writing David h come out and honesty who buys DVD's anymore? I went to best buy the DVD my sat down, and I made my fiance watch it, and I was watching him waiting to cry cry. Then here I. I love that movie. It was one of my faves. We listen to this truck a lot when traveling. What was the last time that you listen to shallow jealous? Do you wanna do you wanna give the I mean, it said you at too so? Tell me something. Are you happy? I things so hard core. I'm. In the. Alive. I'm just saying. Few clinic span. Of course, he does. Thank you so much. I have a million more questions from all. So I'm just gonna hit you as the greatest one of all time if you were to wake up tomorrow as an animal which animal would it be. I would probably be my dog his. Then you see? So I got two dogs. Okay. Who I think sweet goodest voice in the world. So I was one of them. I'd be up to play with the other one. Okay. That's true. That's pretty nice animal. Yeah. I get I get compared to a gazelle a lot of the time with my lung lames or baby giraffe sometimes to blankie animal. What was the last song that you listen to about from shallow? I was just trying to get another reprise shallow Michelle last night to seek. And I think I had an old Neo out on. Them on TV show that you watched brands. Survive. The latest episode last night. Who's favorite front? I'm channel. But I love them. All I think they're all making I told to Bailey about this. Evolution Bailey chose Ross. Ross is a good one. Left field. See I feel like Joey is the left hand choice. But I feel like Ross might be a terrible person. Oh. Don't take them. It's okay. Yeah. Let's no one ever picks the goals. But I still think. Fantastic. Yeah. Agree there comedic timing. We get into the conversation. I know I'm sorry. Everybody. Jennifer Aniston can't be comedic. Timing is amazing Phoebe buffet is pretty good too. Thank you. Lisa could your baby. Yeah. Thank you so much. This is exciting for me. Because I also watch American enjoy on YouTube, Casey, Kevin czar was interviewed by you. Not only a great great ninja warrior. Yes. But also really fun in the ring and had a good showing at the women's world rumble. What would you like really good? Very smart exceptionally. Well, media trained, right? She could have just sat there for hours on you go you could talk to about literally any subject, and she would have a well-informed measured response to it. One person did ask how she was getting on with training. And I am sure it's a lot easier. If you've ricochet to help you on you should have seen the death stash. She gave him on I want to to Haifa the woman minjah warrior. And I to be the asshole that he said that and she gave him the look. And when we go round to next question. I mean, just like, yeah. So like, I assume you've been able to help British some too and she was put that in. Yeah. I asked Casey to tell the origin story how she came to be wrestling fan who it is. It is. My story is definitely different than anybody else's. But I I was a fan growing up. I loved watching WWE, and then I got into American injure warrior after doing gymnastics, and after my big run where I was the first woman to complete the course WW called me. And I remember answering the phone and being like, the real w w what do you mean? 'cause even my mind it was I loved watching it. But it was never something that I that was a goal of mine that I thought was possible just because, you know, just the time that I was growing up, and then, you know, being a woman and being smaller, and that's kind of been, you know, the my life story is I don't know. And then, you know, wanting to prove people wrong. So it was cool to get that call from them have them remount to the performance center and realized this is something that I could possibly do. And it was it was cool. But definitely a different path knows people who's your favorite wrestler growing up. Ooh, man. So many definitely Shawn Michaels triple h stone cold like they've just always always my favorites. Cool says one thing you could explain to people about the job. Maybe they don't understand if they've just from what they see on TV. What would that be? That's a hard question. What would I want to explain to people? I think that sometimes what people forget is that, you know, we're just like them. We're just normal people. I know that we are superstars. But I think that my main goal is to show people into inspire people that you know, they can be that superstar to whatever avenue that might be in. And I think that for me, you know, having different background one of my things that I've tried to stay true to is just being myself, and being opened honest about that, you know, I don't walk in and say that I know everything act like no everything I know that I'm here to learn and I'm not going to be perfect. And I think that people resp-. That. And I I'm I'm happy to share that journey with them because it shows them that it's going to be messy, and like it's not going to be easy. And things are gonna be suck. Like, you know, what I mean is gonna be. And I think that you know, to be able to show them that all the good sides and the bad sides allows them to know that it's okay. If that happens in their life to those great, thank you. So I have another question just going back over your career in general says one thing that you could if you could go back now to yourself when you very first starting out, which I guess would have been very young. But what would you wanna tell yourself? I think that it would be just believe in yourself. And I think it's because a lot of things can go off of that, you know, one of the main things being like, not letting other people tear you down and not believing not letting the Dow and everything like that. And I think that, you know, just believe in yourself that can be the answer to so many things I don't know if I can do today like just leaving yourself. I'll it's going to be really hard. Just believe in yourself. Like if there was just always. That kind of that voice there. I think it would be really helpful. And I think that that's one of the reasons that you know, I wanna have a voice that people can hear and to be able to spread that and tights we wrestlemainia Rozo ice cream Christmas. Ooh. The day that you it's like Christmas for wrestling fans like eating ice cream every month, just like different ice cream. So one of our listeners wanted to know, what's your favorite ice cream flavor? My favorite ice cream flavor. Just growing up his always been mint chocolate. Chip she said old school favorite of any brands. No, no, no. I just like anything to put on a cone. I'm happy. I'm what would be your favorite, cheap male. Oh, my favorite cheap meals are like pizza and pasta just grow grown up. Talion? I'm just like all the carbs and bread and sauce and everything that's definitely my favorite. I have a bunch of Eric's in questions from listeners. Taking you away starting with if you were going to wake up as any animal tomorrow, which animal would it be all my goodness. Yeah. Well, I dog or my favorite. I love dogs. Yeah. I would be down. I'm my favorite question of all time, which is everyone evolution. So I don't want us to be left out. Okay. Important very serious question. If you were to fight one giraffe size duck or ten duck sized drafts. And you you to fight him. Let you go to get through it. She will them who are you choosing? I would say. Giraffe size duck only because since I'm so small on like used to being agile and avoiding things like being able to outplay things. Now, ten little drabs that were size of I think they just just they could climb on you. And they're like, I think it'd be harder to escape. So thank you very much Q fronts. I like thinking about it. Everyone takes it very serious shayna really needed a minute. She has her. She wanted to work through like how she could inflict damage on each possible individual, and I really respect to for this. Did she pick the little ones like? She she. She just kick them. And then she did also point out quite currently Doxa mean on one big big beak coming at you. Yeah. But I'm quick. I'm you real quick. Yeah. You get through the legs. Exactly what I was thinking. I mean, if we've got time for another one, which is always been a. Which was a great one which again is a lot of debate with the guys last year wrestlemainia if dog was gonna wear pants does he wears pants on his back two legs of his pants on full IX, you'll laughing, but these are important questions, really important. I would say pants would be the back to lakes one e would be all four, and I think both are needed and important yet would just be what you would call it. That says the coach say this rational, which I respect you are. You're only Titus Ulf -alex. But I mean, he's a smooth guy well-dressed guy. Do you have any times? I don't have cats. But I love dogs. I'm allergic to cats. So yeah, I'm covered in cats. So. Oh, that's my. I I try to Rupp people's. Yeah. Yeah. I guarantee anything. Yeah. Finally, why can't I remember what she calls. Fury. The goddess Alexa bliss. I dunno. I kept thinking Queen is like notion the Queen. These spoken with her before. Yes. Yeah. I've been to a couple of times. She is always awesome. Always in character. Just always has the best onces she as opposed to Casey who was just very honest and authentic, and that Alexis those things, but she's always in character answers, always cave. She is she's the best Mazda as as a brand character because she feels like a character when you talk to her, and I've talked to her about much personal topics. I've talked to about her eating disorder. I've talked about that kind of stuff. And then you kinda get the Lexi side of it. But she was there as Alexa bliss, and she was very that. Somebody asked her why she didn't wish you going to sell in the women's main event since she was in charge of wrestlemainia and her she was media, and she was on fire. Why would I do that? Why would I fight three of them when I can just give myself a title match on Monday. I'm beat one of them like, oh, she's she's so small, but everything just feels like it's coming off the. The head. She's so good. I'm just really really really nice to which is lovely. It's got a pig threat. She does. Yeah. Let's listen to the the goddess of big owners. First question. Can you tell us about your wrestling found him as a kid? I watched growing up our families. Like that's what we did on Monday nights. My grandma started us all into it. She loves WWE. She always thought she was gonna marry dusty Rhodes, she didn't spoil oiler. She didn't. My grandma loves steady to me. And my parents grew up watching it because of that. And then I ended up growing up watching it because of that except I wasn't allowed to watch the attitude era until I went to my grandma's house. Then I was. So that's what we did every Monday night. You know, we'd we'd get just pizza. We watch raw. And that's what I love to do in. So growing up. You know, I dropped off a little bit. You know in college. You get to a certain age sometimes you drop off in the new get back interested in it. And so after college my trainer told me that WW's having a tryout, and I knew that was something I wanted to go for and somehow made it and been here six years if one thing that you'd explain to people about your job that maybe they don't realize what would that one thing? Be. It's not as glamorous as you think. Yeah. Mean like we're rolling into hotels to three AM looking like crap. Tired or? Eat mcdonald's. Authored Kofi of the day coffee of the day. I mean, we're we're normal people like, yeah. Exactly. It's like ten thirty and I've had three coffees. I dunno. I guess people don't realize how hard it is the struggle of traveling three hundred days a year living out of a suitcase and not seeing your family's. We do it all to to entertain everyone else. You know what I mean? But we'd love it. That's what we signed up for. We knew we were getting into. And we love it. But you know, sometimes you catch us on holidays, really struggle. We're on the struggle bus. You know what I mean? And you know, where people to kind of thing the last time, we chatted you had some hidden Mickey's in Yogya. Yes. The mania any surprises we should be looking out for in the sham. No because I was supposed to have Corolla devere defer Carrillo DeVille gear this year if I was in a match, which would have been not hidden. But there would have been a hidden Mickey in it. But with my outfits, no because there just dresses, and let's keep houses. Yeah. And I'm gonna upset the boys by asking a couple of questions. I apologized again last time we had we go pretty into the stuff highlighter that you wearing today's excellent. You know, what it is? I don't I haven't made up professionally done today those people, but I think it's the Becca one if I had to guess, they usually champagne pop OPEL nice on. Yeah. Worryingly I do, and they hope they don't know. And you big into lush skin. Cal Siamese that still your jam skin care. I love the coffee Cup of coffee. Yeah. 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Lunch With Steel Panther

Talk Is Jericho

1:20:52 hr | 1 year ago

Lunch With Steel Panther

"Kobe off Ricco Rico Takas Jericho's the podcast thunder rock and roll and you know how we do every Friday we start with the Duff Akagi Kagin joke of the week doubling taking long my voice a little rough because I'm back in. La versing for our guns roses tour but was in Zurich and believe it or not I got bitten by venomous CIDER and again lettering Jarvis not kidding. This is not not the joke of the day any now my uncle remains is dogs Rolex and Timex watchdogs. Thank you very much. That's ridiculous terrible. duff delivering the goods in the middle of guns and roses versus actually on tour dude a couple of shows they did want to Louisville and I believe they did one over like Indianapolis or something. He's a little joke us. Go on and thanks for netted eleven relentless down figuratively always making us laugh fairly somebody's heart of those and speaking of making us laugh. It's three turn of Steel Panther. What a couple goofballs? These guys are Michael Star and sticks Zid Inya the new album heavier metal rules just came out last week. It's out now you get it. Wherever you listen to music singer Michael Star like I said sticks it in yeah all right here? It's all about it. They they came to my hotel room in L. A. N. between a little room service delivery and lunch which I had to pay for we talked about the making of the album Michael's throat surgery lexi Lexi Fox going to rehab that's real great frontmen in rock and roll bands and how Nevada and grunge kind of expired inspire the album tighter so there's lots of sex drugs and rock and roll Oh and lunch with Michael Star sticks at any from still pather starting now. It's the record that everyone's waiting for the world is talking about the new album heavy Metal Panther and here's the the blurb which is a good word that came with the press of these that I was sent because that's that's slang think for press release Blurb Blurb Yesler is it says California's greatest export and renowned feminist supporters still panther really took a break from working with NASA scientists this on a Multiple Orgasm Inducing Guitar Pedal to record their fifth studio album. Is that true we did took a break. You have all these. These guys even read these things before they go. Yeah I read I read and approve every single word said about us by anyone really yeah. Did you approve the word I just said right now. I did improve the word oh yeah oh cool. No I approve. I knew what you were going to say. We came in here and I was like that's cool. That's not that's cool. That's cool that's school that's not and that's what the NASA scientists came in your learning about. Esp and transcendental meditation and that sort of stuff on note that means but I like NASA and again like you know space travel travel school. Oh Yeah I'm a star Trek Fan. Really I really I got a chance to meet J.J. Abrams steal the night yeah where we went to screening of a new show show that he was being a mediator for and we hung out the guy likes to do blow right. I mean these these Melis like a quick bump. Guy Sees a super bowl Keke bump guy or a guitar pick. He's more probably off the between youth and you're a Web yeah just a lot of cocaine browns. You guys doing rails. You really yeah yeah. GUITARFISH KTAR FM type Guy Qatar pick guy he's. He's efficient shipper pick. He's a shepherd. That's yeah that's pro- yeah. That's like a Keith Richards. During a guitar straight up like you see guitar picks falling out of People's wallets they partying think about it. Yeah how about those are the ones where they have long nail pinky. He's got a long nail that type thing right yeah. It's yeah that's definitely like a saying like guitar players that have long nails. Pick backing band. Yeah you know what I mean swimming Flamingo hanging out Florida and shit full gear Flamingo guys one leg guys stand stand on one leg and play guitar. Have you ever seen the Flamingo Flamingo player down at at the beach no but I would love to go down there after take him to okay well we are in. La Name Survey Hello they had a flamenco Flamingo exactly he's funny winco actually but that's okay he gets very angry. If you get the mom but you just went for the number one rule in do not rule in Improv. Yes don't use names because is your chances. Are you're gonNA fall back then what's Improv three. Make stuff up as you go like comedy. I'll explain it to you yeah. Hey thanks now you must have missed that when you weren't listening into the black album yeah again listened to it since we've had talk metallica yeah it was on it was on stranger knows on hard knocks the other night. They're playing some. Have you not known the story when you guys we played one of the downloads time what download earlier this I can't remember which one it was metallica headline they played the blackout minutes entirety. Yeah and Michael Star right here myself went and watch them from the size. Two thousand fourteen does fourteen out there you go and and Michael had never heard the blackout before I never heard I almost don't because I already know a lot of the songs I just never listened to whole record. Will you did kind of go. I think I've heard this one yeah man yeah. That's good song. I think you've heard this one yeah. That's the Best I love. The blackout came out is the same week that for unlawful carnal knowledge came out so you're probably listen to the van Halen van Halen Guy I am crew fan and DEF LEPPARD guy yeah yea skid row yeah right on the Basham Bach Him Wale Dude I still to this day. He's full finger when he screams because he channels his energy fees. If Finger River all yeah rest with his fingers I liked I like Bruce Dickinson who he moves as in sound Paul Ryan raylene. You think that's a unconscious thing is that actually I think it helps them. Keep his technique really and if you watch Christine Aguilera she does this shit with her hand on the microphone where she taps the microphone. See now I may not know all the songs on the black record the fact you know that Christina Aguilera does that is more alarming have you ever jerked off to Christina Galera on TV now thin Christine or a plump. I guess a lot of Flag Chunky I could we say that you can you can say that because fat or say say that I can say chunky. You can say hefty hardy. You could say all this shit dude. Did I think she she looks good either way. I think she looks good either way. Let me ask you this. Who is the first girl you remember jerking off to or having a crush on ah mom now my mom my next door neighbor mar series porno sued I had this fantasy that I would go over there and the the kid wasn't there and the mom would be like come on and that she would sit on my dick from the edge of the BED head facing the other way? Wow that was my view. That was the first chick I lady that I jerked off. How old are you for fifth grade first grade or so okay okay yeah? How about you Mike? I don't remember do you remember fifty four right way back the first timers celebrity crush. I mean honestly I really. I just think that when I was that age experimenting with my penis it was just the the fact that I was doing it and then stuff came out if I'm totally on the first time that I did it the first time reject somebody okay. She was my first reading the first time I ever did it. I was in my bed and I didn't. I didn't even know that I was doing it and I was as rubbed my dick all of a sudden. This is no bull shit dude. I had an orgasm. I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what to expect and I freaked out. It felt good. I was scared because it was a sensation they hadn't had so I ran into the bathroom and I tried to appea- and I couldn't because Boehner and now I'm convinced I broke my Dick. I'm like Oh my God so i Nice I was freaked out so I did it the next night to make sure every night it was accidental accidental jacket off. I figured out my girl. Her name was Susan Star. She is my friends. Oh real soon staged area name or not. Ah No subconsciously no I just I I liked stars and stuff I like to we like space that early. You could have been Michael Nassau ASS law. It's just not as sexy good call. You know what I mean. They try to as you get older. You try to keep as much sexy can't get as much sex as he can so at the name I'll uh gives that out there right so tell us about Susan Star. She was hot she had blond hair and I grew up in Chicago. So people wore jeans all the time liking liking tight jeans. She had a killer ass yeah yeah that's one thing I really dug i. It's it's funny because I'm not really like I like traditional sex. I'm not really the back door guy like Satchel sticks lexi and the whole row crew so I just enter spider spider hence the name in the back door up bass player player case. She's not on facebook. I research yeah. I remember following a Christie MacDonald home in like grade two or three kids the best advice I just follow her home and she lives in completely different areas. I like well creepy. I was like you know forty feet behind her Saami common. She would be like well. He doesn't even live in this part of town but I just followed her home. It can like it. It was like the ask was was was maggie was a magnet aspects. My first celebrity crush that I may or may not have dragged off to was Mary Hartman Mary Hart. Oh yea whoever that girl's name. Is I remember telling them. I think Mary Hartman Cute Mom. WHO's your current celebrity crush woo you? Oh you don't like you just have to appreciate. It's so hard now though because you go on Instagram for five seconds you see fifteen like super high. I gotTA check that I put on our guest list every time just in case you shows up Jesse. She has a standing invitation. Okay open invite opening by. Do you WanNa tell him I don't remember her name Shirley Shirley aw she's always on Steel Panthers Guest List for real yes. I'm not bullshitting like we'll get. We'll get a text from five year window right now really permanently on my guest list okay so we'll get a text from the tormentor. Okay I got put together. Stand anybody else you know and if I forget that day that'll be a gentle reminder put Charlie's on he's always on our guests so if she hears this Charlie's he should crews on out yeah yeah. You know she's listening. I mean come on Jericho here. It is talk as Jericho and this is your best form to do it. That's why do you I think I have approved this discussion and you knew it would talk about this boom once again you everyone listening at home the dozens of you that are still this thing we don't have this is not a plant. We have no script in front of US know list of questions or queries or qualms now. We're just talking right now or concerns yeah exactly okay so Shalit's therrien she yes. She's always on that would be my celebrity crush looking at one. How would you well it changes because as you know time changes everything sure how so I don't really know man? I like still Brad Pitt raw fit when he was with Angelina Jolie. The three somewhat have been killer. It's not my thing I realized some some fantasies. Excuse me that's my room service unless you Brad Pitt was beeping do do the interview really Jerry Weird Yeah. I don't know what else talking about ways with a this. Is Perfect a great segue to talk about heavy metal rules which once again like every time you guys pulled a record. It's a great title but the heavy metal rules is perfect. I'm surprised you haven't done this already. It's funny you mentioned that because we are shocked that we haven't done it. I can't believe it's like it. It came to us so here's the story behind it. We were going to call the record this. That is our room so we can actually here's a steel panther sticks Michael Star getting room service in real life you notice how the drummer ran to the door. Of course we'll see. Here's a singer sit here is the drummer gets up and opens the door. That's going on Richard Good. What did what what are the guys ordered? Oh I got a sign for it. Yeah you're all you're superstar out okay. So what do we got their chicken Salad Chicken Caesar Breakfast and ooh breakfast sandwich all right good stuff here yeah with the singer cash okay. It's even better or that. The drummer got up to the door and the two singers sit here and then on the other singer pays for the other singer just sits there so you the bigger star. It's is on these. Can you all look at these guys. Bringing change changes way to make it easier yeah exactly yeah okay. Bring me change and then a drummer is a little more broke the fifty dollars so and the tip sorta included so so you guys tip here well you don't you don't have a choice. They added on there. Yeah this is this is great. The two guys in pather author both bullet their wallets and all the his Hyundai's literal. One hundred dollars bills paid before we take a break aw I feel I feel like this is like the eighties when when you have like the guy in Canada was Terry David Mulligan he was the journalist on the spot he would go to interview Motley crue in their hotel rooms and they'd be eating and drinking and spitting on 'em and stuff so you guys are more refined than that Saddam when we have refined food but are actually eating which is kind of a Faux Pas when you're doing interviews. I'm supposed to eat but you guys are huge rockstar. I can wait. I can win and you know you're from Canada your down home and you're real. Hey listen. That's why people like the show you don't have. There's no illusions ends of grandeur here. We heard you on Octavio Day. What was that all about and I got my own show? That's crazy yeah. It's real thanks. Did you hear the good news. We're an octane for two weeks really yeah. That's the first time he hasn't been on octane because once again panther not a radio band just by the subject matter that but we were radio okay just a realization or just you know. They're a little uncomfortable there. Were they're gonNA scare advertisers off. I mean I'm sure that the first single all you WanNa do his tonight that might scare some terrestrial radio yeah number seven Germany so it's like when we were in Australia with metallica touring. There's a bunch of the bands on the bill and one of the band's was called punk band from Canada and Lars Lars big fangs it's awesome. I'm in a band name of your band. Oh I'm sure you don't get a lot of shelf space at Walmart with that name a great Lars Dude Oh man top. It's pretty crazy. It's Wacky man you do a great lot does lars data eh for laws. He doesn't think it's very funny. No but it's not bad it's not that sounds good. Thanks Man Really Matab but well we you know a few songs on the black album dealers back is he bringing us. 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I want you to know that the chemistry between the ban it's not the singer makes the most money not banned but are banned. It's split equally amongst main guys right and Satchel and I just I don't care because I'm just happy to be in the ban. Adnan name is scraps talking professionally run on show here. Oh Jeez. We're GONNA sign even when you pay for it. Oh okay. What am I got? Here's what happened. Come on come on. I'll give you some money so he thought it was just a change. No so what's what's the total one hundred bucks and wanted wanted to change key back in change and that was it actually have to pay him to change range this call my dinner was still panthers. The name of this show five and a little extra because they're heavy metal rules. I've been metal rooster. He wants to get his low in there too. Thanks for all right okay so good job. Scraps callback scraps scraps star. This podcast is going to be called. My breakfast was still steel panther the breakfast show breakfast okay so they have minerals heavy metal rules. Originally we were going to call the record just the tip. Oh that's the bad because I thought it was gonNA be hit it and split it with that was another awesome okay but it was going to be called the tip and we all really liked that title. I can really see the cover of super hot chick like giving a waiter like honey that you know what that's a that's good what we were considering for that is Very Phallic Alec Guitar Cable and Going Into Guitar All drippy Gotcha so that was what we're GonNa do we did a little research search and we found out we had toured with a group called the lounge kittens who are these three girls from the UK. Yeah who sang their freak show great singers killer band and they had put out an EP called just the tip the same year that we toured with him. Oh and we're like man that would that be a bad adler. Look I wonder if that's where he like. subliminally got the idea like it was implanted and then you thought that idea how gene Simmons write songs early Susan Susan Star Yeah that asks the Graphics Craft Star Michael Scrap Star like Stevie Sex Summers of pretty boy floyd scrap star. I changed my name because I don't like my first name. Okay all right. I mean I liked it but growing up in high school and going through with that name bummed me out and I noticed that Mishal so I thought I'm going to change and like Don kept his name. Don Dock and I always thought that's not a cool heavy metal name. He's a great singer dockings a cool name docking done it sounds like you're Rockin Ron Rock and they had to put that because everyone thought it it was pronounced Dokan totally Ryan Dokan token you ever hear that song. I'm a hotdog burns burns on the streets again. I'm a hot dog out there. That's off documents under locking key man. I still remember the last time we did this. download members we're in the the the trailer download during the podcast fifteen people walking in and they think Mike went out for a smoke at one point vape and we had the guy from creed walk in and it's kind of similar today except we had Richard Yeah we did have Richard Richard Not ingred no he is not in green altered. No Ban does love heavy metal and he does like saying hello. Hello you know he's like hello. Hello One bad news bears movie where they fool the parents of the old man's going to take them on on the trip and he can't speak so they just teach them how to say hello. Are you meeting hello. How are you know? Are you second one hello. How are you hello? How who are you so just the tip decided? It didn't work when we found out we you know there was the lounge gins had done that. We went back to the drawing Gordon and we've been saying being heavy metal rules since the beginning of the -ception because a reason we started playing weekly in Hollywood that we want onto bring heavy but we wanted to have a Gig but then we're like we want heavy metal. Come back because Nevada just basically killed it right. This is like ninety eight and then no ninety ninety six now the viper. I'm talking about every week but yeah we started in ninety. Five Satchel says I don't know if well yeah we started our weekly show in Vegas biggest. That's right. You're right dude and now that wasn't that long after heavy metal died. Was it the same four guys the same all four. You guys know it was I max it was Max and Iran ironically enough. Our record comes out on the twenty seven th and we're doing a album released bardy on the twenty six at the whisky whiskey and that drummer is in a band with our tour manager spider and there have a band called California and they're opening up for us so we're GonNa January talk be really cool but Max is not playing review Bro. Come on man no way Max you man so you so you guys always say heavy metal rules on stage. It's kind of Goto said even if you if you run out of things to say or if the punchline of the joke Bob go ahead metal rules dude does rule and we've been saying for so long long. I can't remember which one of US mentioned started but he started it from it. He got the for the to be an album title all right yeah that that was my idea cool yeah. That was your idea. That was the one idea you had knows all the ideas all the I thank you we just it just made so much sense because steel panther has been trying to bring heavy mount back since since the day that never mind came out and look where they are now lower art yes. They don't even play anymore yeah. I don't even know where those guys aren't. You guys. Don't even have Gig what is what is the members of that band yeah. What do they ever like anything successful were you now Kurt? Cobain did three records and done never seen again but did change everything thing yeah yeah. Of course it changed everything. It was kind of a Downer that maritime man that's one of the things that we wanted to bring back as the excitement and fun of heavy metal because it for us it was fun. and we Julie could not get a deal back in a day and then once grunts took over there like Oh we don't want to have anything to do with him. all our peers so cutting hair and putting on dockers and Jean shorts on like that in no way do my hand ex for life man. It's why Lululemon so popular is because Steel Panther. What's that SPANDEX yeah? Oh I mean all the women see us through like Oh my God they look killers right right right and then they wear it and work on it sure I mean and they haven't even like hooked us up burning and they see like Armadillo does in your trousers. Yeah I mean you see girls in Yoga Pants. You Know L. What you're getting right. Yeah you know what I mean. You look at everything very type where you know you're getting you know you you get a couple inches. Maybe after take him off. Yoga pants great invention. It's thank you welcome your thank you Mr Yoga days things run yoga Tehran Yoga. The only difference with Yoga now differs from the eighties is a war you know tight layman's with long t shirts in what we've done is eliminated t shirt and I think that really was GAM. Imagine just shorter tops tighter that we really see what what the chicks all about doing right. Yeah I mean girls. They like to see what they're going to get into yeah but you can't go around showing them peanut so you have to wear clothing for that serve limited time to do it before you go to jail L. You didn't do it. You can do whatever you want. I don't suggest that though and kids let's be safe and use words use your words not your hand not a European I'm looking at the cover the album scrape covering some very pretty girls on it continued theme of two girls in front of our represents two girls in the cover value not all the last two two girls on there because we want to celebrate what we love. You Girls Yeah well. I'm talking about to at minimum of two thousand but there's a minimum of one I think every still panthera is it a girl except for the first one on the cover. That's why didn't sell it so nobody wants to know. Neal's our shot that neal's lows our remember that I love the days of rock and roll being fun times even the photographers awesome. That's cool. That's cool. How is it now? Nobody Neal's lows our and Mark Weiss Weiss Guy Weiss and yeah and Ross Ross Alpha whose guys were all Russia England or looks like laws all yeah. That's a great point. Yeah everyone was grew up in the eighties knows those three names in those photographer. It was a decadent time right. Just say that it it was the best yeah but you guys are bringing the that. Let's bring it back because the success you've had is the fun of rocket but if you look at rock and roll now there's a a lot of bands that have the same vibe of guys take two to one side of the coin but that's why Fosse's Steel Panther was a great bill or you're talking about hailstorm or Greta event fleets. Are there's a lot of kind of fun just rock and roll bands which I think is a good sign. Yeah me too and you know I was on spotify because I'm subscribe to it and when a record came out I realize there's a lot of playlists that are the it will say similar to steal math right then you listen to it and there's a lot of metal bands yeah yeah a lot of metal badge. I implore people just check out your spotify and not all of them. Get airplay so you don't hear them and there's a lot of great bands and have you guys the struts. I got that for years right banned. Yeah you know I wanted them to to join us when I came out too big too big too fast breath no that's not what happen Oh. They didn't want L. They were we I we I reached out to our time was Paul Gary from the band extreme ever the song more than words he was not on that now and he recited motor and a promoter said look man they're great ban but they're just not developed enough in UK yet. So it would be a good fit really yeah wow wow and now they're arena banned yeah now there. Are you know I'll tell you what speaking of new new songs the darkness Oh and other great band they are free and they have a new song isn't GonNa Rock and Rolls. De Deserves to die the die right. It's cool man yeah yeah. It's like it's not it's not your traditional formulaic rock. it's creative. It's go check it out when you when you think of you're talking about the nineties and grunge going into whatever it's called new metal or darkness basically brought cutback the Guitar Solo when that Song I believe think he'll love it had three guitar Solos in and they went over the top to like not We'll put three in so you gotta you know they they've been been doing this and waving the flag for a long time and a lot like pather well you people don't know for sure if it was serious or not at first because of what he wears the chat suits and all that sort of stuff. It's a it's a fun band. They're they're great fun rock and roll man and I think that that you know Fauzi Steel Panther the darkness the struts I think that there's this wave of anti serious and anti heavy emotion bullshit and you know it's it's it's crazy out there and you look at any of those guys even your band right you look at him on stage and they don't look like they get off stage. Put a Green Apron on and serving coffee offing right right look like they're doing a show point and there's a there's a big difference to that. You know I mean there's a lot of great bands out there. Don't get me wrong. Everybody has their own taste me personally. I liked to be wild. I like to see like rock and roll like Rock Rock Lake. I used to laugh when when people say and even stated. ACDC like they look like they just walked in off the street McMahon. I know you're wrong because they have the number one number one gimmick in the history of rock and Roll Angus Young on stage schoolboy schoolboy and the singer knows he's the guy with the hat so yeah other guys in the back don't really dress up but still change their T. shirt before they go on and put it off but even the ACDC has a huge gimmick and look in the end the rockstars for for for that band. They look like a band are characters. Yes characters they. They are these icon ick identifiable if you saw a picture of them you wouldn't need to listen to their music. You'd go that's. ACDC s you can identify right you see a bunch of other bands now. You can't identified like once again huge bands. I don't know what breaking Benjamin looks like. I don't either and they're really good and huge. Benjamin could come in and try to break me. I wouldn't even know what it was. I don't think he'd be broken by Benjamin unbroken pretty unbreakable right now unbroken by Benjamin. I got a funny fact for you that might interest you so orange. Oh Jeez. What if I wanted that you don't okay he's he's just kind of a bullied? Here's a bully he's kind of like Larry mullins junior and he's he runs youtube. Did you hear that I did not hear that well. I don't want to interrupt your thank you. He's he's a bully Larry Mullen Junior. He's he's a bully and he's super sensitive so he'll bully and when you tell them Oh stop c he could dish it out. We can't take it. I was going to tell you that the singer from darkness saying on a record. I'm if you know that very I recognise the song called Party ready all day Oh Justin and he came out and jam with us at our very first show in London and we did party all day and and I believe in a thing called love and that was twelve years twelve years Oh my club two two nine two two nine and we sold it out and it it was killer he came to Manchester with us he like he just and then he flew from there over the pond and came to flew with us to Vegas and did the show there too as well as very fun. Yes great great give when we played with them in Wales the hard rock hell or something and we're on right before them and Kinda stuck I had him on my podcast but just on the phone so we had little camaraderie and asked me if I wanted to carry them through the crowd on my shoulders I plays guitar. He's like just let the Iraq thing but he walks to the crowd wicked souls and it's a big beer hall so it's not a an arena. It's like a it's a it's a community center. Basically is what it is and dude. I was walking and I decided to go to the bar for drinking US and walk in. There's like a low hanging ceiling as you get to the bar I walked right into that and he almost falls but of course I stabbed him. He was dead that make damn it. That's convert and he's tall do you. He is but I didn't know as I need a drink must have poked boom so great though that those bands like this and yeah and and also too I wanted to bring up the cover if you look closely flying on a giant Eagle Panther yes well. We did that because it's not widely known that we ride eagles yeah. Where did you find the giant Eagle? Where where do they live in greenland inland? Oh Wow yeah no people don't know that there's giant Bald Eagles in Greenland and we have taken it upon ourselves to go out out to greenland teams a couple throw saddles on those mother fuckers and ride heart yeah. It's what we do. It's like dragons and game of thrones but different these just don't breath with fire in their hard to shoot arrows their feathers a really tough okay but we can do it. What do they eat chat chat giant worms? That's open. You're going to say Yeah I O war and we're in for some reason. Shit grows really being Greenland the green economy well and that's what you're trying to help them with the giant Eagle's. We let people know this giant Bald Eagles tourists. We'll be streaming greenland and now they know you know and we're going to set up a petting zoo for the giant Eagle's and you come out and actually get on the back of it like you can get on a little mini donkey. That's great yeah you can see the giant eggs that there has from no they're little eggs mo the oh the the percents this that's the tricky part little tiny regular size eggs they lay thousands of them because they don't survive future about those little like eight things and then you crack it open and you put it in water and wait for like a day and a a half okay gotcha concept. How about the exit you break open? There's little toy inside those are fun. I like those yeah. This is a fun little yellow. Hello little bike that don't like the ones that make chicks pregnant ooh because all from the Philippian too dangerous like one time during the month month like four or five days I think it is you got to really be careful and most girls will tell you I'm ovulating you know just out of courtesy. Just give them a wrong phone number then you're fine well. That's the thing about social media in this day and age at six and you're done. You can't get away with that stuff anybody up yet. I do it all the time. Okay okay like what's your phone number. Can I get it. I'm like yeah sure it's five hundred five four four three and then I changed the last number what if what if she dials it at that point in time like okay L. Hitch up and I say to my other phone. That's all of us sees gotTA burner. Did that and I'm like Oh. Why isn't your phone ringing? I'm like God. It's my other phone. I I got on the bus one business one pleasure right. That's pleasure one business WANNA pleasure phone. That's the new album they could do like being an old folks home. It really is Gang Bang me about Larry Mullen Junior. I'm so apparently he runs you to the shots like he's the guy behind the scenes that says with tours are going to do I guess when they did that giant three sixty two or three sixty with a claw though of course it's all hearsay but but they made no money on that tour because the stage was so big and add to have two of them stay in beantown so the only money that they made was the last ask Gig which I think was like a Pasadena Stadium so whatever they made for that show for the tour. What was there was there was there pay off like fifty shows in the last one that they made ten million or whatever here's what you guys get and after that he said we're never doing this type of stadium tour ever again suggest that yeah? It's just a big money loser. We did it for the spectacle because I've heard a lot of stuff he's staying same like Malcolm is was the guy who ran. AC DC. You know the thing is the singer yeah which you know. We know it's not sure that's it's not true. Yes so far from day. We have a lot of responsibilities being the singer yeah where the focal point of the band yeah. Everybody sees us first they hear us. I write were though third we got. We we deliver the words to the audience leave as you guys GonNa jerk each other offer everything while I mean you out the door when Richard comes back hello how how are you. How are you but you know yeah? It could happen that way talking about your new record here. There's a lot of words words a lot of words. We put all lyrics and this time. How do you memorize all these words like Brian Ancient Mariner type stuff? You're listening by the way well. I mean really I don't WanNA sound but you guys have one job. Remember some words. It's not just wanted to forget the words though during the show that that that's the part where I'm I'm back there playing the drums. Hold on a second hold on. Let's just clear shit real. This is a long time coming yeah because once again he knew we were gonNA talk about this. You prove for real that he does. It should all the time and it's interviews with me. It's starting to Piss you off. It's just annoying. Would you tell me that all I gotTa do is one job and remember worse because that's fucking not true. I sing my ass off and what do you. What do you say okay when you're singing? What just did a whole tour with two double Hernias? But what are you doing when you're singing. What are you saying talk right now because I have so much like anger anger but you don't have to remember words right now? I have to remember what I wanNA say to you. So there's a break the ban up it's like every time one job just seeing the lyrics but you understand. I totally understand what is your guitar player jumps around all of a sudden. He's a singer. It's a work would is your or multiple faceted job first of all you don't just he'll just go with a list. Let's get this list okay one hair air coloring. What about words what what about words not even to the okay okay hair-color got it super in Puerto talks to bow talk hiking to stay in shape for stay Heike Yoga Yoga Koku? Do Yoga do yoga. You're I got to see me do dog dog down. Don't days out don't army listen to hear me okay. I'm listening okay. That's just five things right there. Okay Okay basic cosmetic. You GotTa Look Great. We'll dude. You're the same even someone look like he's I think he'll look in the Mirror and go shush shave and like I got to tell you the shave right and Satchel comes up were in the wrong color headband with his outlet. Did you can't wear that now. Oh Lexi's doing hours and hours of prep yeah. These guys is run on stage and the same Old Shit they've been wearing since two thousand twelve right and my outfits are completely different every year mhm cycle you sure sure okay. I'd like to get some pictures out all right pants toward a tour. That might be good because I you think you've been wearing the same pair of cock of Campbell shorts knew that the same shirt two yeah you liked the Arcade Fire Archaic Okay so you know another thing too I just I want to get back to the same time because I want to build a good sandwich with him. Okay so the meat of the subject is a singer only has to remember words. That's it. Let's just go to the top on the Bun. He's he's a drummer right so second in line. He exerts the most energy in the band and he has to always be right. He's he's always got to be right because if you note or player if you've got a beat everyone notices it right. There's no you can't fake you can't slide into a snare drum right you can't Geico and same with vocals and and I can't mumble through a kick drum pattern. I can mumble through a we know because I can just hold the mic away. Your hero is do David Lee Roth yeah I mean that's trying to remember them anymore. Hard for teachers just says air was sitting at the breakfast table. I might start a sandwich yeah yeah so you don't even have to remember the words you don't Man van Halen you have you ever heard of the American rock band Van van Halen. Did you ever see that one is walking the streets of Amsterdam in Nineteen Zero American rock and Roll Band Van Halen. Some old Dutch guys like nine walks away followed the same same Graham Dude he's great. I always thought it was the real day for a while but a story that people might not no okay oftentimes. It'll be done fighting by the way I think so okay good thing so I don't appropriate okay. Well you run the we do well sticks junior. It makes me feel alive when we fight begging me to. Hey man team members forever team team. Forever recipe almost most broke up the band earlier gnarly. I was like I might have something really big cheese lactose intolerant. It makes me angry okay so it'll be four A. M. And I'll get up from my bunk. I'll go take a leak. Michael Michael Stars light light on in his bunk right on tour and I'm like Oh my God he's either. He's doing one of three as aww he's off. He's watching game of thrones right or he's watching van Halen videos and about ninety eight percent of the time I I'm like what are you doing dude. He's like van Halen videos. Check this out. I make them watch them too. I'm like dude. How many def- Van Halen videos are out there that you can keep doing this not a lot? They there's not over over and over. They've found some new ones recently last year has been some yeah on seventy eight seventy instagram. When you go to look something up to have videos on a bunch of animals they just had a great one the other day of bottoms up the act where they were doing a little like jam for about two minutes before it gets a little shovel thing if I watch a lot of ah van Halen videos but it's gotta be from like seventy eight eighty one needed you really into watching Sammy although he's great yeah what he does Oh by the way David Roth? What is this going to air whenever you when when you record comes out copy that that well by that time we are playing Sammy Hagar's Fest I? Sami Bashar numbers called granted. Where's that in Huntington Jim Beach California it's going to be no? That's a guy right there. Did who has done everything listen. Let's just give Sammy Kudos for huge cuter kicking. ESPN killer singer grades remembers the words all the CIA don never forget the word does the red rocker never for always in tune and every time no backing tracks killer guitar player Okay you guys to be made van Halen even bigger. Oh my God damn do we. We have to get into the van Halen conversation again. We did this one before the van Halen like top to bottom even with Sammy and his favorite favorite song is summer nights right by Sami like that one I in my favorite Van Halen Song No with Sammy yes some nights yeah great good Song Yeah so I send you that one of the circle when they were doing good enough backstage. No you didn't also I thought there were just warming up with good enough Bonham on drums Mike Lancy playing bass and singing and Samuel dancing and do it onstage please. That's up mother Aban Yeah. Oh yeah it's a great band. They're all so good to see. Here's My van Halen and people often say in the last years as soon as the biggest American rock and roll band of all time biggest or best. You know what I mean. If when you say best what do you mean well okay so you go through. I will always combine of all time. Yes yes like Aerosmith Kiss. It's it's Van Halen. I mean you got through the Eagles in there I mean if you just rock and roll and it's Aerosmith kiss and Van Halen Ozzy. You might be able to add somebody into that but let's just go with those three. My biggest problem van Halen is they just didn't do enough stuff right right they did they did they didn't do a lot and they didn't do a lot internationally right so when you read accurately kiss and you talk about around the globe yeah I think they're bigger than aerosmith. What about Bon Jovi who got that's a tough? You know what I mean. That's what do you think I would think that Bon Jovi Sir passes kiss all of them yeah yeah absolutely I mean not say that he's a better no I know better what he does but definitely globally more popular. Oh my Gosh stadium showed about guns and roses oh all but once again though you're dealing with the band that's had a discography of like four albums yet totally. Does it matter though I guess not and look at the sex pistols they had one album yeah. Everyone knows the sex pistols knows they've had one album. That's all they ever had how many shirts Dan Dan Zig cell with the fact that they played the state in the same state in that we're doing with iron. Maiden misfits played it. I know I never knew that big there. You know what I know idea. I don't think I don't know if it was. I don't know that they would be able to consistently do that. I think it was it was a novelty reunion one time when shot not only were going for it right unless I'm way out of touch I just can't see them doing it. Consistently yeah I agree because once again if you're gonna go see them and you traveled to. La Air New York or whatever right in a in a an event like that yeah but when you're talking about Van Halen we love and him but from seventy eight to eighty four and then eighty five to ninety one ninety two. I mean you can throw balance in there so let's ninety four and then nothing until the different kind of truth came out in what thirteen yeah I like to. I think it's great but that's like dude the fifteen twenty years in between it it really just depends on. I think it's it can be to tallied up two ways subjectively eighty or sales wise right right so for me. Van Halen was a really big part of my life. Now I really emotionally attached versus Van halen yeah total ramming. I was led Zeppelin right that was the band and then once you know John Bottom passed away and they stopped van. Halen was the biggest man I mean thing I think Vanilla I think David Roth you know. He got a lot of his shift from Jim Dandy but David Lee Roth was I mean to me because I wasn't the gym Dan. I didn't even know who he was. Daily Roth was the prototype he was the F- blueprint for what do I want to see in saying that guy's making me happy you know and and this is this is me as a kid going. This guy is awesome and I remember feeling doing that for Van Halen. I never felt that with aerosmith Steven Tyler killer front man killer singer just kind of stand there was like the day it was. He's got hooked you somewhere but the the whole ended they were having fun while they were playing. It was hell yeah yeah you know and honestly that's. I think what you guys trying to do. I think that's what we try to do. You have fun on stage. We always say you know when we go out to go to a show. If we make sure that we have a good time with each other the crowd is going to have a blouse contagious because if they see if if you go out there and you just phone that Shit Shit in the car just be separate from each other too and we try to give the crowds something to look at when when it wherever they look on stage it's important to all of us individually and collectively to give them something to see no matter where they look right and that's where my talents really shine because I'm moving around a lot and not just remembering words but I'm really saying yeah moving but other people which is really illuminates the fact that I'm really good because I can't even use my feet to get around and I had to stay. I have to look cool sitting down and I nailed that shit can we can we talk about health the band right now. The health of the behalf of everybody's totally healthy okay good XS lost over thirty pounds announced forty two forty two and you could tell to to mazing and you weren't like I just lost all your waterway. I lost a lot of weight eight and he's still hitting the drums just as hard as he was stronger than I was sure probably more endurance to out. He's plays just as good as before but it's it's a different field because the extra weight makes you kind of like not really different balance everything the hard one way might just fall over right too much near the pizza so now he for real. Do I watch you do fills and it's just like the the attack is different looks different. I'm a little more violent about it. Quicker quicker quicker endings of our first song is the first time the second song I'm actually looking. I'm doing this on stage like is still going. We'll 'cause I 'cause I 'cause I am more comfortable with how I look doc down from us down for more attention yeah you want that spotlight on yeah. I think we're going to happen that. Put You at the front like Don. Thank you Michael Star behind you. Finally get a break and then he's going to see what it looks like hair color hiking yeah. It's Never Oregon hiking now. He's all in shape but he knows what responding late live with costuming is gonNA hairstyle frontman doctors it doesn't highway. It'd be cool in my awesome Bald Eagle. You guys got from bald all the eagles tribute band where everybody asks me why I mean maybe ten minerals Goddamn Damn Dude I into singer. I love doing interviews with Chris my favorite line of all this when we do the Van Hill one it was two singers singers in to digitize players and I go oh man say it's almost a supergroup wrestling with no it is a supergroup singer guitar players who needs those other the they all joking aside the healthiest rate drummers lost forty pounds I just had a double hernia surgery that went really killer. That's got tons of biking and oxy's you and I I'm already Russian web and crushing lexie. He's now flying to WHO Crocodile Krakow Poland. He's going to pull him with some check that he met. That's buying this huge house. Real yeah right yes. I've thirty nine year old girl. She's got some cash. Yeah heard her grandfather very loaded yeah so hopefully that will he kicked his sex addiction. Nope oh that's right because that's why we mention spiders in the band for a while. We'll spider is abstinent. Suspended doesn't call that was the one extreme and then Alexi everything two sides of the coin yeah so we're trying to give when he starts drinking is when it starts happening so he's been trying to chill out on that and just do more blow right. He's not web at the Boehner rail a he's real he's chasing that dragon catching it competing it up and chasing the some more oh yeah yeah okay and he's going to get a facelift at the end of the month so he should look killer who is Lexi okay great and Satchel. Oh He's just SATCHEL. How's he doing? It's we're being on tour. I know that he went to the doctor. Just for a full check-up Yep Yep killing it. Platelet got a full and like thumbs up from the dock. He sees a way up as a witch doctor. Okay Gotcha so he said he's cool honey test for for witchdoctor Dr Yeah you got to do that. Videotape Yoda and go walk in the desert. Let me ask you assume that might be totally off topic and I apologize but just real quick. Do you have any experience or or know anything about licking at the toad like what Tyson did well. This is I have a close friend in a very big band who did did that recently. They said you basically you know go to the other world right instead of changes whole look on life. Ok Real hold on this. I'm telling you Mike Mike Tyson. Did you hear about it. I just need you to explain to me what you're talking about. Okay so here's the thing toad weddings plan so last year I had this guy on his name is Josh Gates and he does a show. Oh called destination truth where he goes around and looks for mysterious things ever so he did this thing where you basically you. Don't Lick toad but you get the poison off a certain towed you take it and basically you go to another good afterlife copy you know and he and he said it's kind of like all the all the Shatt about all the shaming Shaman Chaman shelled almond showman all the Shaman that did all the people do say when you do this this will happen and he said when he did it the exact thing that they all said would happen if it happened and it's the was the cowboys there whatever it was if you're going to end up in a blue room with with a son on the wall and he said I was in the Blue Room with some the wall I understood the whole meaning of life sort of thing think and that's what my friend did same thing saw the blue room with the sun on the wall or whatever it is and said that you're completely terrified for a short period of time and then you're completely enlightened and he said it feels like you're gone for like hours but you're only gone for like minutes. It's so it's some- somebody came back. It's like I'm not afraid of dying and not afraid of the afterlife I realized that nothing matters on earth but love very deep deep stuff stuff. You probably thought you were also the panther pond. Also it's been accused Moore bike cities bipolar stuff that kind of thought the mental issues yeah. I'm not we're not condoning it. Obviously I'm just telling you what you heard. I saw this thing on Mike Tyson and he's he's really good nice. Yeah Okay Smoking Weed all time and happy as he went from a story and he went just from a to Z right there. You just did yeah Jason. I good go one one job. Well let me just tell you something yeah yeah well. Oh I don't WanNa keep going on about Tyson but he looked good away new probably be bombed at it but in spine you like fat people. I'm I'm Dan with everybody. uh-huh yeah man it's all that matters is loves basically was thinking here so as this records about it loved about sharing connecting and that's what I mean gods purpose gods of Pussy yes another tunein. Will you do me a favor. It just recite the first few lyrics. Did you write these works. Santa wrote those words my Gosh I got the old old guy sometimes hold on hold all own glasses for Chris them now. I can read them all. All my gosh ain't glasses. I can the the reason why did you buy these like did a one point five you put them on and then then Michael Good input on there to make fun of May Four. I can see Ian read. God's makes such a difference. Oh my goodness so everybody please welcome Chris Jericho Lyrics Eric's of Gaza Pussy by Steel Panther. I'm going to take a video of this. Appeal can see me with my glasses on the NATO sometimes but I I'd like you to read read it like like you meet eloquence. This will be used for the social media push this. I'm reading the lyrics with glasses. Sometimes it's hard one of the girls want to do so you've come once but they just keep coming back and there's other girls and your Dick wants someone new but the bitches you before our cock blocking you keep going please gods of pussy gods of pussy putting our swings into Sweden making him Gush in the back of the bus gods of Pussy. God's Pussy thank you. That's Chris Jericho really good man kin great dude. You know what this just gave me a full getting vision. I WANNA get Ben Kingsley only to be so great. You'll panther lyrics in a leather chair in front of a fire. how how `bout a zebra man had the idea for the intro well for name fluence of ours you know heavy metal parking lot has been apart of heavy metal and it's it really is a parking lot as a documentary from eighty six or something Judas Priest Judas Priest Dokan show Don don dock and Donald Duck dumped on his name dominate? Your name should be dominant doc in the parking lot and it's all the fans just talking like we used to yeah heavy metal rules dude on a sucks. This guy was wearing an all zebra outfit and I mean zebras spandex shirts Zebra spandex pants mant and he's he's he's got a nice little buzz on and he's sixteen or seventeen in this chick comes up and she's interviewing people and she goes the best part part of it to me is she asks him questions she goes through. What's your philosophy on life philosophy and he doesn't he all he does he does his answer is it sucks shit which really sets the tone for this in diatribe that he goes on and he talked about how hard heavy metal rules Madonna being a dick and Madonna's Donna? She's a Dick and it's so passionate and his love reading medal is so great that we wanted to honor it. I mean with with an album titled Real Life. You don't have zebra man opening your ragged. You're GonNa you know Oh my goodness. I was actually a little disappointed. I love it but I was hoping it'd a song called the Zebra man for some reason but this let you know satchels Alfred on a first record feel the steel Z's wearing his even man you know somewhere. Are you gonNA be playing on this tour and somebody if he's still with us is gonNA come up to you and say hey man. That's me. I'm the man did he. I've seen an interview recently of him. I think he's kind of trying to distance himself from it. Oh Yeah I think I I don't think he's Super Proud GonNa know that he's Zebra Man and let's see tells people to show up the full zebra of it. How about this put him on the list with Charlene Darren every night? No that's a good idea especially showed up up my mind okay sticks mullen junior junior all right as we wind down here already bedtime spend two hours. What's been over an hour? This is the way it is with us man man yeah you know I i. I'm sure Kevin Chair Monte your publicists will Hr Chick HR shoot me because we've talked about have met rules for when we talked about it we we talked about it. We didn't talk all about lyrics we did. I recited lyrics. Hey the record comes out on the twenty seven th yeah that's probably already out by now. I hope hopefully everybody digs it. It's a really we put a lot of work into this is my this is my favorite record that we've put out and I love all records but this collection of songs is is There's some special shit on there but every band has to say no. You don't have to say that and I'm never said that really ever jumped on because you're or just saying that it's important to me. I want to ban one time ago. You know what this is like. This is a third fares the worst thing I've ever done that's your new Promo. The worst shit ever done in like this is the worst thing there's a lot of drama that that went on this record I mean I had some drama and Alexia Alexia drama. We had to put off the recording got deleted. It was like one deleted yeah. The whole file got deleted the whole record on mix yeah because we just like we're. We're transferring it to send stems to Jay. Thank you told me about this. I thought you were joking. Would you push the wrong button. No no just I we were just it was like she used responsibility to send that over any good up. That's another reason why he went to Rehab Gotcha so anyway. It was a big part of it yeah big part of it so anyways you know and then we had to push back the record then I had some some stuff to deal with with my voice and now we had to re record everything the thing is saying because I my voice was screwed up. No I like a little no Chinese democracy here. You had a node cutoff. Oh if you're a singer out there get your voice tracked. We actually didn't know I had it. We rescheduled shows we had we had a like retool the whole thing and I don't know how much people realize what goes into putting a record out. You don't just make a record and go cool. We have a we have a picture of this. We're GONNA put you have like a lot. There's a lot of things do you need to do to set up the release of record and when you have a plan and then all of a sudden health she gets in the way and you have to retool the whole plan. It's a lot of work well a record label. You guys on we are our own. Oh there you go but even so if you're on your own or whatever it is still you have to have you have to Advertising Street Day eight Dude Ship Day Marketing Marketing Team every shift just does you don't get to just go cool. The records ready. Come get it out of our trunk not when you're releasing records ready. Let's put it out in three weeks doesn't work that way. No wait. There's there's target dates that you gotta hit to have packaging target dates to go hit to get into target. Ah target target date right. It's really funny because this is. I think this is the first record that we've put out that came out on the almost on the time that we planned hi Donna coming up pretty even closer to the normally allow so I guess maybe that's why I feel that way about this SARS thing though no songs like three or four times like record of them three or four times three different versions like in the studio singing the song and because you probably just sing all take anyways but now line-by-line word by word by word aid. I you know it was it was I wanted go ahead but I had the surgery for my vote court and I had like basically like a callous just cut off it's just from you know rock and rolling and and being older right so we cut out and I haven't had this type of range wow and so I was able to sing I feel so my best work I agree with you dude so his throat throat lifting I had to pay for my throat fixed and I'd rather have a facelift. We can't do and we're faceless lawyers getting their baseless yeah you you're limited should be like a boat like a like a punch jarred at subway to get ten the next one's free and yeah just follow the lead of Mick Jagger no face. There's Catcher's Mitt I'll tell you what do I saw the stones a couple of weeks ago now you see this done amazing yeah and not for an old guy the guy still like besides besides Roth in his prime could still the best front man of all time he's is going to do it. They're going to born to do it and he's been doing it since he was a teenager. How can you do that because it because that's what you do you guys doing it? We'll be because we've been doing this for so long. Long as the stones push the age limit back all of us can follow in their footsteps. Absolutely you know Charlie Watts at seventy eight. He looks like a ventriloquist's dummy but he never missed just one beat nine one not one he I heard that he disliked wanted to stop a while ago is that did you ever hear that yeah. I read that he was just like over it and Nope Charlie for life if he stepped out of the band I mean there's doesn't guys you get to fill win four I'd do it. I don't know if you could can you go one two three up when I can to three up and I've been practicing brown sugar you should hey because when when when Michael Star gets the van Halen Gig she need to play somewhere the van Halen Gig soon is not going to be a van Halen go rhino. It's like come on yeah. Call me. I'm serious yeah doing already be healing for like one tour and no no. I don't so fun I think it'd be just go. Remember just just the words for them and then you get in trouble because no one ever remember the words advantage to any words radical. I would do enough for them. You guys could open up for me. Who would sing for us? Is this singer shift there you go who's going to sing for that now. I know it sound good. Yeah I was thinking I was saying is still mad it and then you guys would open up for my band van Halen you know and that'd be killer. Okay Okay so wait so you you're in Van Halen Pasi. I'm the singer of Steel Panther who's thinks for Fuzzy Spider no. He's the basement you can't. You can't say you gotta get the thing for the struts Luke Yep. He won't sing for you but then here's what happens but then the stress during the tour who's things for the struts well and so on and so I know what you're creating. You're creating problems by Noel Whelan Wayland. The problem is you're not hearing me and that's like the ongoing thing in our relationship was therapy. What would you say it's not just listening sticks hearing him? I don't want to tell you that yeah. I don't WanNa be that any knows I just wanted to be like I don't want you to be an advantage. You offer offer myself. I just wanted like sing. One one show what show taboo that show at the forum yeah like Queen Plus Adam Lambert van Halen plus Stanley Green With Adam Sandler that'd be great fat bottom it with Adam Lambert van Halen with Michael Michael. Sorry you would list it. Okay I would go to that. I would go support your that you could sing being both guys. You could think Sammy stuff I would will you have to that's the rule would okay. Here's the deal you have you have did you a couple of Siamese songs and one of them's dreams will Jesus is highest song. I know that's not cool well. That's the rule that I can totally and especially since you get your throat Latte yeah. He sings like Oh. You sound great really nail in both so good oh I got. I don't know if I could sing that song. Just out of principle just lost the GIG. That's the rule what that was it. Sorry man so Ralph Michaels knocking is where we're about last question for Oh Yeah I. What is your favorite song on the new album however rules dude that question seriously? isn't it sucks bag did yeah. It's one of those questions big bag of dicks. It's one of those questions where you can't really win. Okay it's like asking what's your favorite city the play Oh can love of Cologne Germany what about Berlin. I Love Berlin to when I'm in Berlin favorite song on this record. What do you say I'm not your bitch? That's my favorites on this record great delivery on that to sound like smooth jazz. Thank you thank you very much. I appreciate that save for me. I I have I really have a connection with Gaza Pussy and second be heavy metal rules for me though which is not what I was expecting. It's like a heavier jugie. I thought it'd be like did you like it. We didn't realize it would throw curveballs. Listen to we put it all together but I really I think I can't wait to do Gaza Pussy live and also to the single of all I want to do is with myself self tonight and brackets which is great because it takes away from being like barbaric like funny but that chorus you're GonNa have two thousand people chanting. Did people love it and we Budapest. Everyone likes to say of course Budapest Budapest. We've never played in Hungary before we played that song the week it came out. Everybody's going Bok doc. It's awesome my favorite. one of my favorite parts is in the video for the breakdown. You guys have the Queen Bohemian four part part harmony. That's GonNa be fun for you guys to do yeah. It's cool man. You'll be out of tune but it'll be fun to now. It's on attempting I mean it could be. You'RE GONNA be right on track to get yeah yeah one job one job one. That's where he forgets it singing lip synching dancing moving running jumping jumping and keeping these guys line of Hair Coloring Walking Michael Michael Mullen junior drummers have really a blocking big deal so for him it is I used to put my mic stand in front of him. He we had conversations so we've had conversations with things you want to know the real shit here's the real shit. He used to play in bands with Pussy ass drummer though I'm sure I don't know them personally but he used to hang his clothes on the drum set and I'm like Bitch Bitch in my mind. I said she didn't say it's my dude. I don't like that yeah and he's like and he got offended because I've been hanging out in the drummer's saying I'm thinking to myself do you like and I'm thinking this shit that I bought. I paid for this and using as a clothes rack. I'm not down with it. Plus it covers it was bad. You know what I'm GonNa do back awful. I'm going to bring the wardrobe hanger thing and just put it in front of you. Hey my clothes that that'd be a great show. People were people so so we're really conversational longtime ago and then what was the second Mike and Mike Standard he would you know in the beginning I a low riser or the floor or whatever and the Mike Stan would be right in front of me and I'd be playing by just set it and then go off and sing and I'm writing behind this little poll going thrown off. Can you do mind like setting it to the side three feet and his first reactions like I guess what yes right there. I had that with rich in the early days solo some solar right before the solar scream and live. I would just hold it for like you know typical overseeing singer. I got the big screen going after three or four times. I'm just GonNa say if you don't Stop Screaming Guitar Solo Mc L. Coban. You hit your head with the guitar playing the Solo. Don't scream over amaze audit and I'm like okay sorry dude. I think sometimes I mean look at at certain points. Everybody in a band needs to be reminded about shit remarried to other dudes playing stay in your lane. Let everybody be a professional why have duct tape so people know where they can't go right on which is basically I've seen a a bit of the stage right yeah and we're also not allowed to look at them in the eyes right unless he does unless he points to us with Dan then we're good to God's green light. You can look into these hand Dan but not a design so let's see I know that's the is but once the hand goes away why I haven't looked them in the is wanted the podcast that was in those thanks dude can now now now look away. It's gone you know what he really loves it. I know we got a rapid. I want to just say this one thing. He loves when I come around and get sticks from his bag the nuance and just start jamming on that's and you know what else I love hitting the simple love I love when you hit the symbols but more than that I love when guys in the band come take drumsticks and then throw them to the audience yeah great 'cause they're free free right because they don't cost money. You don't need to just take the drums and do you got twelve sticks and they're waiting for for the it's awesome heavy metal rules right heavy metal rules the new steel pather Almaz available now get it wherever you buy I or stream music and go see Michael and sticks and the other cats a Lexi and what's his name Satchel. You'll see mature. The heavy metal rules tourists starts tomorrow night Saturday October fifth at the Las Vegas Events Center in downtown Vegas huge show for them. They got dead state scheduled through September timber. 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Chris Answers YOUR Questions - Live From The Jericho Cruise

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Chris Answers YOUR Questions - Live From The Jericho Cruise

"The chair co network on Westwood One. I think we're ready. You guys ready? We're just gonna spend an hour hanging out with Chris in sharing some stories. The guy is an amazing storyteller. And before we bring them out. I just want to tell you about running into Chris a year ago in his hometown of Winnipeg. We ran into each other backstage at a guns and roses concert and at the show, we're watching the show, and I'm blown away that somebody is famous as Chris is genuinely fan blowing out at a at a gun show. He looks at me and my friends and he goes dude, dude, hold on hold on. This. Would you not agree? This is the greatest guns and roses song of all time. Am I right? I go. Good song. Right. It's a good fucking song. Absolutely. Goes it is. He goes, this is it. This is the best one of all time five songs later. He went. No, wait a minute. Wait a minute vest, his the greatest guns and roses song of all time. And you know, why the solo think about the lyrical content? I this this is forget the last one. This is it this is it and we went shirkers. Four songs later. He went I forgot about this one. And all of us looking to each other going, do we say anything and someone the smart one group went, you know, he could hospitalize us if he wanted to so let's leave him alone. And that's why I love them. Because not only great storyteller. He has a passion for everything that he's into. So let's bring them up the guy who created this incredible vacation that we're all on ladies, gentlemen. The great Chris sheriff kommt. Ricco? Ricco? Welcome to talk is Jericho. It's the pot of thunder in rock and roll of got my rake on wireless ear buds in and ready to rock the death McCague joke of the week and this week you're actually going to be able to hear it. Here. We go. Yeah. Chris Jericho stuff. Mccain calling me, I'm calling you from outside pharmacy. I went inside. And I was asking the chemists aging clear up the diarrhea and pharmacist said, I got this tablets, tablets. And I said, no, I mean, like a like a water mock. 'cause I shout on the floor. Thank you very much. Actually like that one of those funny. Once again last Friday, we made a little foible. It wasn't Duff that didn't call in one of his amazing jokes. It was on our end. But you got to hear one on Wednesday and one today, so you got to for your price of one this week on talk is Jericho Duff, great gross joke. Always appreciate him calling in every single Friday. Good or bad. You can only get the defecate joke of the week here on talk is Jericho something else. You can only get here at talk is Jericho, right? A chance to hear the exclusive Jericho live QNA from the first annual rock and wrestling rage at ritzy back in October of two thousand eighteen that's right. The last of the live podcast recorded on last year's crews had a great time answering your questions questions from the first four hundred cabins who booked on Jericho rock restaurant raider at sea last year. We're doing it again on the upcoming rock and raise your part, which is January of twenty twenty and the first Florida cabins are already booked for the twenty twenty crews. So if you. Booked your cabins. You will get a chance to ask a question. Just like these fine folks did on the first Jericho crews very very excited. But if you did book already at Chris Jericho cruise dot com. Start thinking of your question. Now, if you have a book don't miss out on this cruise because we're going to be setting sale January twentieth. Two thousand twenty wise or somebody twenties because this fixation is twenty times better than any vacation. You've had in the past. And if you're wondering who's going to be on the second annual rock in reston at see you can go to Chris Jericho cruise dot com or you could just wait. And at the end of the show, we're going to run down the talent that's already been signed up to join us. Just a tip of the iceberg. I think the talent roster of this cruise is going to be even bigger and better than the first. The first was amazing. The greatest vacation of all time up until the part rock and wrestling ranger. Don't forget general cabinet on sale starts Wednesday March thirteenth, but if you wanna book now and get some of the prem- premium cabins that are leftover go sign up on Christine cruise dot com for the presale booking option. You will get. A time Email with time on it that will tell you when you can book, and then you book away. But like I said we are selling in droves this time there's a chance you might actually even be sold out before we actually go on sale anybody can sign up for the pre cabin booking. So if you want to do that sign up for pre booking out, Chris Jericho cruise dot com. Come join us for the vacation of a lifetime January twentieth. Two thousand twenty all right? Is you're about to hear nothing is off limits when it comes to the QNA you wanna ask music questions. Check, you want us rusting questions check, you want career advice or tips check, you want hair care pointers. I got those two covered it all in this live question and answer session. From the start a Steeler on the Norwegian Jade was hosted by comedian Craig gas. Who is of course, a alumni on talk is Jericho. So funny. We all had such a great time. Craig's a great guy a great host. So here you go Chris Jericho fan QNA from the Jericho crews hosted by Craig gas right here on talk is Jericho. Let's go. As a wrestling fan. It. It's pretty cool to step in a ring for the first time me and my comedian friends last night hanging out in this ring last night, like how cool is it just to being arraigned? Do you? Remember, the first time you actually as a fan got into a ring. I never got into the ring as a fan knows always too scared because when we used to go to the shows in Winnipeg Awa, and then it turned to WBF you'd always have a couple of kids that during the intermission would jump in the ring, and they would get yelled at by security and hauled back in those days in the eighties. It was real like you don't go in the rain like someone might kill you or beat you up. So I always found it kind of to be almost sacred ground. And the first time I got into a ring was when I was doing in the summer of nineteen eighty nine. There was a wrestling tour up to the reservations in Manitoba where I nation reservations. So you would drive twenty four hours up to these places. And then, you know, have wrestling shows, and I was on the ring crew. And so the first. Time I've ever gotten to a ring was after I'd set it up. And that was the eighteen nineteen years old run that timeframe. So that was it. And did you like played out in your head? When you stood in the middle of the ring. Did you picture yourself? There was a guy called caveman Brody, and he was really small and he. Men were. This duffel bag on the road with them with all these cans like canned soup with the labels like food cans, and he would say want something to eat. Sure. There you go. What is it? I don't know. Oh, it's peaches and wants them knee. Sure. What is it? I don't know. Oh, it's super 'tatoes. What do you do is? He would go into the grocery store, and he would rip the labels off the cans, then take it to the front go this Canas the label. I want to discount. And that's what I learned about how cheap wrestler her back in those days. So yeah, he carried around this. So he he's like you wanna be wrestler. Sure. He said, all right. Hold on. Let me show you something any body slam me, which first time you get body. Slammed kills you. And then didn't say just stay there. And he went to the top rope and jumped off the top rope to drop a knee. And I still remember looking up and like what is he doing? No, no, no, no. And he comes off and this knee. It looks like the fist of godzillas. It's coming down. And then like nothing happened. And I couldn't believe it. Like he dropped his perfect knee. Where you know, the concept of rusting is you don't want to hurt the guy. And it was just I couldn't believe how did you do that? How did you do that wrestling Gibbons seeing that that boot that knee coming out? He'll never forget. It's like a meteor coming. Yeah. Caveman brody. There you go. Well, the way this is going to go is a bunch of fans submitted questions. Well, let me. Say when they quickly you guys here are at this queue in because you were the first I believe is the first four hundred people to book. Yeah. And and only these guys get to be us. Right. That's right. So you guys are the jeez. You guys are the original people to book. And the fact that we sold out this cruise. I thank you guys for being there from the start. So thank you so much. And the way this works out a bunch of fan submitted questions, and then they picked a handful of questions for people to come up and ask themselves and bear is over here. The spotlight was almost perfectly just on your crotch a moment ago, they fixed the spotlight. It was very impressive for the spotlight post to go. I had that same fear that you had. I was like, oh my God that penises coming right for me. It was like head a spotlight on it. Can I just say something quickly? I was looking at my pants, and I see a bunch to read stuff like why I have blood on my pants, and the reason for that is I was at a blizzard of Ozzy last night. I was going crazy, and I was on stage. And apparently, I sang three songs of them. I don't remember any of them. Apparently, I did a great version of I don't know. And as I was rocking the guitar player. Turn and hit me right in the eye with the guitar. Not only did I hear about that. And this is kind of crazy. I was I wasn't going to bring this up yet. But at least fifty people today have walked up to me and said, dude, I had a beer with Chris Jericho last night. It was like that's impossible unless he was emerging. It's true. And I I had to they have a really nice infirmary. I know this because I was in it last night to get my I glued together. So if you see me walking around with the block guy, that's the reason why butts I finished the show right on. Showman. A true showman. Listen, you could come e open. But I wanna see the Ozzy gig man blizzard of Ozzy. They're great. So anyways, I'm bleeding for you guys. Now, that's what I'm doing. Here. We got some fans who wanna talk to you. So we're going to start what is your name? And where are you from? Party. And I am from Jacksonville Florida right on Jacksonville. What is your question? Okay. What products would you stay of help to keep your amazing hair? Looking so healthy. Great question. Do you have a holy grail can't live without hair care product that you use? It's it's weird. Because when I started it's funny because I had long hair for for such a long time. And when I cut it people just couldn't believe it. There were like how can you still be Chris Jericho? You know, and I was the same way when James Hatfield cut his hair Bruce Dickinson, like how can they still be heavy metal like back in the day? You couldn't if you didn't have long hair, you wanna heavy metal guy, and then a cut it. And now that it's sort of growing back. Thank god. Thank God, you agree or hear about really thank God. It's means that much to you that I have long hair seriously. And my rule was when I started growing it back is no pony tails, and no hairdryer because we know die. I dyed my hair before it was always ponytail. So that stupid ring at the back of my hair. We'd see the ring from the ponytail. So that's what I did. And I just started growing it back because my we had a Fossey tour that was a month. And then I came back, and my hairdresser was gone for a month. So two months L, let me just happens with it. And here we are. So it's not any kind of special shampoo and conditioner. But I really really really believe in you have to have expensive conditioner. Because it's very important to condition your hair and don't diet, and you blues a blow dryer and all that sort of stuff. It's the only way that I have such beautiful hair. Thank you. I wish I was on this cruise thirty years ago. Bullshit, man. It's all the timing. What is your name? Where are you from, sir? Name is Ron from CoCo beach. And I wanna know have you ever had a genuine paranormal experience. And is that what led you to shoot monster hunt Lau questions? Yes. Hunting monsters. So anybody that listens to talk is Jericho knows that I have a lot of paranormal guests on. I've always been very fascinated by the subject of really really into it. And the weirdest thing that happened to me first of all hunting monsters that was the show. I just had on the travel channel. It was the rule. That's right. Going into the Louisiana swamps looking for the Honey island swamp monster and the rue guru, but as we were out there there was this this voodoo priestess whose told us the story about this voodoo lady one hundred years ago that cursed the town after she died, and then this hurricane came and killed twenty five people. And so we were in an area where parents most of those bodies were buried and these guys had like some I don't know what the Ghostbusters shit that they use. But it will generally picks up energy. There you go exactly. And it's not something that like you can't press a button, you hold it. And when there's spiritual activity it goes from green to red, and for whatever reason we were in the Bush, and I had a machete, and then we're standing there. This is Chris Jericho. Of course, he had said. That's when my hair started growing out. My balls dropped. I had a machete. I'm holding this this this device, and I put the machete into the ground, and that thing just started going to read and all the ghost guys that I was with the ghost hunter guys they were flipping out another. I know when people are putting on a show because it's what I do for a living. These guys were not they were legit. We have never seen this much activity. These things going to read and what I would point it over here. There's nothing when I pointed over there. There's nothing wanna point at like here. It goes to read if someone else holds it. Nothing happens only when I'm holding it goes to read and they're like, oh my God. There's something attached to you. And I'll tell you what I felt two things. One of this feral instinct to get the hell out of here. Like, this is not cool. Like, you know, like you get that feeling. This is not this is not good. And then also I felt like my insides like I just been on a roller coaster where you feel kind of Shukan up inside. So something was going down. And it was not cool. Then I pulled the machete out of the ground to walk somewhere else, and it stopped and I'm wondering maybe because I put the machete in the ground in their burial grounds. Maybe that insulted them or and they were really angry about this. So say what you want to say that there was some weird stuff happening in that swamp that I believe there was other worldly spirits out there being missing around eight question led to request. You have. It's pretty scary, man. It was pretty scary. Thank you. All right. Next up. What is your name? And where are you from? Hey, I'm Craig from Calgary Alberta cavalry. Yes. Chris your work ethic and ability to do so much in such a tight amount of time as amazing as someone who's juggling a small catering company. But also a chef of a huge operation as my real job. What is the key to your success and time management, first of all, congratulations business? I. I wanted to do two things when I was a kid I wanted to be in a rock and roll band, and I wanted to be arrested, and so many people when I told them what I wanted to do had so many opinions about why I couldn't do it. And I was like why do people care so much about what I wanna do gives a shit. What I want to do what I wanna do. I don't care what anyone thinks a very early on. I'm talking as an eighteen year old kid seventeen year old kid. I just said I don't care, I'm eliminating the negativity. And I'm going to set my sights and do it, right. And there's this great quote that Paul Stanley gave in decline of the western civilization where he said, the only people that tell you can't do something or the ones that have failed. I'm not gonna tell you can't do something because I did it you can do it. And when he said that I felt he was talking to me. You can do it Chris Chris Irvine living in Winnipeg Canada. So I always just put like this, man. I can do it. I'm not gonna listen to people that tell me that I can't. So once I got to those levels in wrestling in rock and roll. Now, I'm dangerous 'cause I'm not afraid to try anything. How about I bought my own crews? Why not? I got a tag on. I love ball Stanley quotes, and my second favorite pulse. The only quote is rock against drugs commercial where he's in a bed with not one but ten beautiful women. And he said if you're a girl, and you have an opportunity to be with me. Why would you wanna have drugs or alcohol? Take away such bombast thick moment. No one. The hell is going on your pants pastic changes. Those are great question. But let me finish up. The my my point is this just go for it. Don't don't listen to why it can't happen? Don't look for reasons why it's not gonna work look for the reasons why will work and go for it, man. If you really believe you can do it just goes froyo guys. Do it just do it. That's all I can say don't take no for an answer agreed hundred percent. And I was telling Chris win last album came out that I was seeing people on my Facebook page who clearly were showing some kind of hesitation to praise Chris I saw musicians from disturbed and system down who were posting. I gotta be honest. This is good music and they're posting videos. I got a hand. And it almost sounded like they're saying, you know, I didn't expect this. But I gotta say this is great. So you have to follow your dreams. Like, you can't it's always other people that are going to try to hold you back. And ultimately you have to chase after because at the end of the day. You'll always be happy. If you're pursuing what you love. Okay. The QNA's. Just getting started. And there were some really great questions asked coming up about everything from the smokey mountain. Wrestling era to the attitude era to the festival of friendship. Kevin Owens, even early five gigs all those stories after I say, thanks to new talk Jericho sponsor talking about indeed dot com. Indeed dot com is what I use as a small business owner when I'm looking to hire new road crew for fuzzy we have shows coming up this year, we got a string of shows in may we'll now those very soon got a couple of throughout the summer. Of course, the big big show opening for iron maiden at the Bank of California center in Los Angeles and September fourteenth. So for that show for all our shows, we're going to need people to help us out. And I know hard that is how time consuming it is to find good candidates and much less. 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When I left wrestling when I left WB, I just did some signings here and there, but you wanna talk about Indies true Indies for me was basically only ninety nine hundred ninety two nine hundred ninety two and ever since. Then I had a full-time gig in wrestling. So I mean, you know, I remember one time we got booked in a place called rim. B L Berta. I'm sure the Calgary boys on their Arabia's rim. Be represents. Wow. And they booked a wrestling show the night of the you guys would call homecoming the night of the homecoming college, social beer bash. So the college had a thousand people for the beer bash, and we had seven people. Now when you say Christie Russell Russell main in front of seventy thousand people what's it like it's just one big giant animal when you Russell in front of seven people, you can see each and every person. And they're all thinking it was shows that the beer bash. And I'm thinking the beer batter. You know, and you would get stuff like that. That happens all the time. But that's how you cut your teeth. And that's where you learn another model of mind is Tanner ten thousand whether you have a small crowd or whether you have a huge crowd. You put on the same show. You don't ever punish the people who came to see you, you know, because it's just as embarrassing for them as it is for me. So we're all in this together. Let's have a good time. Agree. Thank you. And thank you for your question. Next up. What is your name? And where are you from? Hey, I'm Jesse and I'm from Seattle. Nice seattle. Go hawks. Go hawks. What is your question for Chris? Basically, I want to know man, you've been traveling around the world for all these years as a wrestler and performed in front of audiences like crazy, right? Then you start doing fuzzy in the first time you get in front of a ban. Herb as a band in front of a huge crowd. Were you nervous is it different? Well, once again, when we first started you're playing in front of small crowds because that's just how it goes. I was used to laugh when people would think just because you know, Chris Jericho from WB forms of band that it's going to be over going to get ten thousand people. So it doesn't work that way you have to build the respect and build the name of the band as well so playing in front of the crowds. But it reminded me of the early days the wrestling, and that's that's cool. Like, I said. You have to earn your stripes. And you know, now that we have solid shows in New York and LA and Vegas, and you know, the cruise last night the place was packed. You never forget the early days when you were playing in front of, you know, smaller crowds. But like I said gives a shit. If it's a small crowd is a big crowd as long as people are having a good time that reputation will follow you and more people will come when you know, the word of mouth goes out there. So always always always always when we're on stage. Wrestling Fosse, talk is Jericho, whatever it may be. You gotta go out there and just make it to where people enjoy themselves and you have to connect with the audience, and if you can do that with it's a big crowd or small crowd. You'll always have more shows and great people that love watching you do it. Agreed one hundred percent. Thank you Seattle and go hawks. Next person coming up, what is your name? And where are you from Ryan Johnson from Lincoln, Nebraska? Good. What does your question for Chris? I I I've Jerko thanks for this opportunity to question. Okay. All right. The first question is how much house rustling changed from the time. You started to now and place provide examples the second part is. Thanks same question. Is this sense? What is what's what's now for rustling? Now here for a w WBZ sold out arming Hearn hundred thousand people and eighteen d stadium. Thirty minutes sell out for the ball club. What do you think is next for rustling NASA hole? Wow. Very scientific question. Well, I think one thing about restaurants. Very cool right now is is for the last basically twenty years since WBZ took over w w really was no viable option other than WBZ if you didn't work there, you really couldn't make much of a living with very rare exceptions. Now, that's changed. You don't have to be in the WB to be very successful. And then make it great living. You don't have to be in a w sell out an arena, you know. Are to be on TV or to be making, you know, making some big moves. I mean, look at the guys that we have on this cruise all those guys are huge stars. And some of them have never even been in the WB and might never go. That's that would never have happened ten years ago twenty years ago, and it's good. It's good for the business. It's good for the fans. It's good for for for me. It's good for the WB because it's good to have competition. If you're running a race, and there's nobody behind you. You're going to slow down if someone's right on your tail you're going to speed up because you don't want to lose. And so everybody is going to be sharper. As a result of that house. Wrestling changed probably I mean, I came in and right at the tail end of the old school k Fave. You know, nineteen ninety was still you didn't know if it was real if it was a real there was no dirt sheets to read behind the scenes information. There was no podcast to fill you in on things. So it was much more of a closed secret society. You guys would give you a handshake. Almost be like, just here's your hand, you shake hands almost like very lightly. Like because if you shook hands like a man that meant you a stiff, and you're a shitty wrestler, you had to do the the wrestler handshake. So all that sorta stuff speaking Carney, which is kind of secret language of Russell's that now every rap guy can speak as artists, you would learn Carney because you're coming the business. You don't want anybody to know what you're doing? It was geeze though, he's out and get some bees ears and getting the site or something that you'd be like what? But that was something every wrestler had to know because it was still this very weird. Like, I said secret society, it's not like that anymore. It's much more accessible, but it's much bigger. And also to size wise. I was very small starting in wrestling at five eleven two hundred twenty pounds. Now five eleven to two hundred one of the biggest guys on the roster. That's all changed is well, much more of a work athletic base style. Whereas back, then it was much more of just punching kicking. And almost. Cartoon characters that you would see. But this just the pollution of the business. You know? And I like I like people go what's the best era for wrestling for you right now from right now because I'm not going to say, you know, what I mean? Right. I'm not going to say ten years ago because it's gone and done and you can stay in the past. But I've never been about that. I want to stay in front of the curve. And I think that's what I'm still very relevant. Instead, probably my name value. Now might be the biggest it's ever been because it took some chances and did some things outside of the box. Goat third till you're the goal, bud. Thank you, man. Thank you. I hate to speed this along, but we're almost at the halfway point. And we're barely a quarter of the way through the question. So we got to start ripping through some of these what what is your name? And where are you from? I'm Wolfram Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Hey, will what's your question for Chris Christie, always enjoyed your creative process? And that you've gotten over different you've been relevant throughout the decades. What's been the hardest decade to get something over in? And what's something that didn't quite make it the TV or you thought was really good. It just didn't take off. I always I always call myself, the George Harrison of the attitude era. Nice. And what I mean by that is I was super popular as a baby face George Harrison, one of the greatest song writers. And singers of all time only problem is he was in a band with the two greatest songwriters time, John Lennon McCartney no matter what George did he would never get above Paul and John. Chris Jericho and the attitude era, I was super popular. But I was in the company with Steve Austin, and the rock no matter what I did. I would never get bigger than those two guys. So that's why turned heel and worked with them. So at least you can still be in that rarefied air, but never as baby face. So I think that was probably the hardest era to really get over it. Because the talent level was so high there was there was legitimately twelve hall of fame world champion main event guys. Triple h Mick Foley, Kurt angle Jericho undertaker. You just you name it. They were all there at that time frame. So it was very hard rock Austin to get over that that point in time. And then as far as always been a guy that believes in catchphrases, what can I put it a t shirt would are people going to get into and the one that I thought for sure it was going to be a huge hit that just bombed was razzle-dazzle. Razzle dazzle baby. I'm going to rouse, the Dow Zee on it's like nobody cared. That is awesome. Thank you will. Next up. What is your name? And where are you from? I'm walter. I'm from Washington DC. All right, Walter. What's your question? Chris alter is going on Chris if you could have any rock legends feature in one of your songs with father who would it be. I was out by the way, I see there's some kids here. So if you hear me, say, bad words, just cover your ears apologize. Four brock. I mean, it's interesting as we've done a lot of great guys guesting on our on our songs, but it depends on the song. You know, you never want to write a song and have somebody planted as a stunt. You know, when we had 'em shadows with us on sandpaper is because I wanted his voice I could hear his voice kind of in the in the chorus when we had a Michael star from steel panther. Same thing we had Zach wild do wanderlust because I really wanted to do me Ozzie Sabbath type solo. So the one guy that we never got. We have a song called on stoppable off the last record you want to start a war, and I wanted slash to play the solo on it. But he he was just too busy and couldn't make it happen. But she's my diction. It's a very driving guns and roses. I wanted to thirty type of solo Phil Campbell who's on this cruise still Cannell the bastard sons, you've got check them out for Motorhead, you laid down this wicked solos, and it fit what we wanted. So it's not so much who do you wanna work with its who's best for for for the song? Because all that matters. Every time is what's best for the song. And that's it. Great question. Thank you. Chris. Thank you next up. What is your name? Where are you from Nathaniel from Columbus, Ohio? All right. Thank you. What is your question for Chris? I was listening to talk as Jericho, and I discovered that used to play dungeons and dragons when you're younger. I was wondering if you had a favorite character experience or story you'd like to talk about relating to your d day dungeons and dragons still has a very sore spot for me in the reason for that is I played it avidly for years years, and I had this character called hall tain. He was a Paladin, and I named them that because the street next to mine was hall tained cresent. So he was halting the Taliban, and I built this guy up. And you know, when when you when you play DND, your character becomes an extension of you. You know, it's the true fantasy. But you believe you love this guy. You love your character. And one day, it was we were playing a module that was an advanced module. You can tell them DD nerd and. It was not supposed to happen. But we ran into chrome attic dragon, which is the worst Craig creature that you can I'm learning this as we're all right? It's the worst. And I had this character that I played for a year and a half love to any died literally in about two minutes. Chromatic dry to just breathe fire. Tried to stop it. Roll the to brief fire again halt, Dane is dead. And I was like, no, no, no, no come on, man. Like did by dungeon master. Can. We just do something else. Can we pretend this never happened? Of course, you can't pretend it never happened happened healthy and is dead so ever since then I can't even think about dungeons and dragons because I'm still not over the death of the Taliban. Wow. What a great question way to traumatize again, led to a very touching and kind of nerdy moment from Chris town. What is your name where you from my name's dust, and I'm from Saint Louis, Missouri. All right, Dustin. What's your question? Chris. All right. If you could have a dream match with any person or persons dead or alive who would it be in? What would the stipulation b? I think what I go through like my three heroes when I was a kid. We're Shawn Michaels. Ricky the dragon steamboat who is also here on this ship. I will be doing a live talk is Jericho with the dragon. And the other one was on heart, and I got to work with Sean extensively. I got to work with steamboat a bunch of times, I never got to work with own heart. And one of the reasons why I left WCW to go to WVU if you had a list of a hundred reasons one of the the eighty reasons or ninety the law reasons was like, maybe we'll get a chance to work with them one heart and before I got there he passed away. So I never had the chance to work with on would've loved to have worked with them. And I would've loved to work with him as a motivated performer because I felt he's a guy when the other cat asked. How wrestling is changed Owen? Heart would be so mazing in this day and age in this in this era because he was such a pioneer and such a revolutionary when it came to the style the modern hybrid of Japanese European Calgary style American style. He was a great character. But he was so smooth in the ring that if he had guys to work with that knew how to do that with him and draw that out. Out of him. I guarantee he would he would be still remembered as he was, but he would have been even better if he would have got a chance to work with Eddie dean, Chris Jericho or Rawlins rains. Kenny, Cody like, that's Owens wheelhouse. So, yeah, if I could work with anybody, it would it would be hard stipulation, thirty minutes. Clown nose match. I don't know. Great question. Thank you. Okay. So we wouldn't be able to do talk is Jericho for you twice a week for free. If not for great sponsors like O'Reilly auto parts, make your tax refund. Go farther at a Reilly auto parts, if you've been delaying some much these car maintenance delay no longer spent a little of your tax refund on your vehicle now and save on expensive repairs down the road. O'reilly auto parts exactly what you need at a guaranteed low price. This is true. O'reilly auto parts, better parts, better prices every day. What is your name? And where are you from? Near New York City. All right, Jose. You got a lot of relatives here. What's your question? Out of all the years. You've been wrestling match or moment was the most emotional for you most emotional for me. That's a great question. I mean, you know, emotional there's there's quite a few. You know, we talked about eighty Guerrero last night when I found that he had passed away. It was a soccer. I the whole Ben watt tragedy was just awful. But when you're talking about match wise. I'd say last year the Tokyo dome with Kenny omega. I think it was one. Reason for that strange. But for me with one of the main reasons why I wanted to do that it was to Winnipeg two guys from Winnipeg headline in the Tokyo dome with Don callous commentating, another Winnipeg. That means something to me when you're from Winnipeg, you're very very proud of where you're from. And I thought that was really cool. The fact that was doing something different. The fact that it made a huge difference business wise, and I think the other one is Shawn Michaels the ladder match that we had at no mercy back in two thousand eight or nine and the reason for that. Was that match was never supposed to happen that feud is never supposed to happen. It's just supposed to be a one night only match with me, and Sean that through the fact that it was working, so well, great chemistry. Good story, ended up lasting seven months, and it Kolonnade with a ladder match for the world title made eventing pay per view. And to me, I just thought this is once again. What can happen when you really put your mind to it and think outside the box one night to seven months to feuding around the world title to me. That's still not only my favorite match of all time in the ring. But the circumstances leading to it. I was very proud of of what we were able to accomplish with that. Intense question and intense answer because my chair started moving. Did you guys feel that? I'm feeling the boats moving a little bit, right? I was like forget that we're on a cruise ship. I know once in a while you feel about what's going on. Why are we moving? Oh, we're on the ocean. And I thought it might that's why my having a stroke. What is your name? Where are you from a man made from Chattanooga? Tennessee chattanooga. What does your question for Chris? My question is what was it like seeing yourself as a video game character for the first time? And did you wrestle yourself or against yourself? That's pretty cool. That's a great question. That is a great question you're asking if I played with myself. All right kids earmuffs plus is possible here. Yeah. I mean, it's so strange, man. Like when you've been in this business for a long time. You're always working on the next thing and business. I mean show business always, you know, even like found this cruise the other day I had yesterday just went up to the top balcony just sat there by myself going like holy shit. This is so cool. It really is a cool. We pulling out yesterday with Fauzi plan. And, you know, thank you. You don't have to do it at school. Chances fading. So the video game thing it, I'm not a video game guy. Although I used to be back in the early Tari days, but I realized. Yeah. Atari twenty six hundred I realized early on. I can't be a veto to obsessive. Hyper, I can't do it. So I just takes up too much. Yeah. And I will play till seven in the morning. I can't do that man. So I've always stayed away from video games. So so when when they started coming out, I never really paid much attention. I think it's pretty cool when you have to do the voice over work for it and all that stuff. But to me the coolest thing was was having my first action figure that was something that I really responded because I had all the action figures from glued. It was the name of the company that means back in the eighties. So to have my own Ashton figure in the first one ever was a double pack me and dean Milenko and the gimmick was the fists had magnets on them. So you could attach your fist. Ville guys fist and do something. With like, I don't know why you would ever wrestling move. Are you doing where you're pumping fists, right? But that was the first one that I ever had. And I thought man now I really felt like, wow, you're on that you're in a big leagues. Now, man, you know. So that was pretty cool. And I think the answer the question, what is deluding I believe that is something that couples who've been married for a long time Chicago referred to. Hey, Don, Lou. Stop talking about Chicago. All right. All right next up. What is your name? Sorry. Sorry. Craig? I still love you. What is your name? Where are you from loop? I'm Evan from Newcastle. Australia. Australia. There's a whole lot of trillions on this boat man love Australia's. What is your question? I'm about to make my wrestling debut early next year. That's right. There you go. What's your wrestling name? We haven't got that far. Can we hand this guy at chair let them smack the shit out of somebody just to warm up? I'm thirty three years old. And I was wondering what advice you might have someone getting into the business quad on quite later in life. It's the same vice that I said earlier if you if you want to do it, and you feel you can do it just go for it. Thirty three is at old. I don't know. I mean, I started when I was nineteen but bad news Allen bad news Brown started when he was thirty eight. So he became a world champion DP. Another guy is on this boat to Beijing. Tell you I don't think page started wrestling until he was thirty five I believe so thirty three twenty three forty three. If you feel you can do it. If you've got if you've got the passion for it. And you've got the resolve and commit to it and go for it, man. That's my advice to you. Great question. Great answer. Thank you, Australia. Next up. What is your name? Where are you from? My name's Lisa. I'm from Long Island, New York long strand island. What's your question? Lisa for someone who's going through a rough patch in life. What do you tell yourself to keep yourself motivated? And do you have any words of wisdom kind of the same thing? I'm from Long Island to didn't know that. Didn't know that I was born in manhasset. I would say to you. I mean, you know, it's the old tough times. Don't last tough people do and I think whenever you feel something is going really, really bad. It's the same as anything else. You just gotta hold on and ride through it. And some good stuff will always happen as a result. But just just believe believe in yourself. I don't know what the rough patches, and we don't need to know. But just know that if you have the the resolve and the confidence to know that you're better than that. Whatever the problem is you can rise above it. You know, what I mean, and you will rise above it and don't give into it. And don't get depressed. Put on some cool music. What's your favorite who's your favorite band Depeche mode? All right, but onto Depeche mode great ban, by the way, they're so huge. Did you know that? Yeah. Huge. I heard a crazy cover the other day. Def Leppard doing personal Jesus. Wow. Wow. Crazy so put on some Depeche mode. Get your cargo drive down the Long Island expressway crank it up. Roll the windows down. Fuck it cheeseburger. Thank you. So mind some pizza. Thank you. And it's all temporary. All the bullshit is temper next up. What is your name? Where are you from Ross from Jacksonville, Florida? Alright Jacksonville for bills. Wow. What is your question? So myself like many people in here admired, the original cruiserweight division in WCW, many of those matches stand the test of time. So my question is why do you think that that division was so special compared to maybe what we see today to talent? Because of the guys that were in it completely. I mean, you had guys coming from all over the world that point in time that were seasoned vets were pros, they weren't annex t for six months and coming on the show they were working. I took me six years of mainstream. Not means. Six years of full time work before I got the WW. So when I got there I had experience and working with all those other guys in this cruiserweight world, which was the first time ever. And it wasn't cruiserweight heavyweight was just good matches from guys that knew how to work and had chemistry and it became exciting. And I still say of the one of the reasons why and the second biggest reason why w sivy beat WB for a year. Whatever it was a and W for sure be the cruiserweight division. I'll stand there and tell you that every day and the reason for that was as big as the N W on the stories were the matches were pretty crappy. Let's be honest. So those guys could go do the storyline and fill the seats so to speak, but the cruiserweight guys always had the best matches. So you would go like this then. Okay. Well that HOGAN piper match wasn't great. But wow, the Eddie Guerrero Ramos ter- matched. It was amazing. So people were were happy and satisfied from all sides of the coin. And I think that's one of the main reasons why that division was so. Special. So great was specifically because it was the first time you've ever seen. It people. Didn't know what they were saying it was blowing them away, and you had a bunch of seasons professionals who loved working together and didn't care, but when they're losing just cared about having the best match possible. Thank you Jacksonville. Next up. What is your name where are you from Kevin from Boynton Beach, Florida? All right. Kevin very serious voice. What is your question? I just wanted to know what do you think of the biggest differences in things like the creativity and the road life is societas with wrestling. And then music trying to. Built this question down. Because so so what are the similarities between the two I guess similarities or differences, wrestling and music with you know, how's the creativity different decree creative. Okay. It's actually really it's a really deep question. Then. So I think I'm an artist. That's what I consider myself to be. And to me an artist is anything anybody that creates something out of nothing. Right. So if you recording a song, if you're painting a picture, if you're putting together a standup comedy show, you put together match, that's all art. And I think there's a real art form into putting together a great match. There's a real art form to writing a great song. Once again, I've said it a few times all that matters is the song is the match. It doesn't matter in wrestling. If you get your shit in people, say shit in brother. No, you don't if you have a great match, you'll always get more shit in later because great matches a great matches. And I think when they become bad matches. When people aren't working together too concerned with their own personal shit and it same with writing a song. We're talked earlier on the Judas record. It's our biggest record by far. And the reason for that is we just we just cut a lot of stuff out like this song guitar solo why because we're a rock and roll band every rock song as a solo why doesn't fit. Okay, Judas doesn't have a solo. And it's done twenty five million views on YouTube and just over a year. Nobody seemed to care. So I think the creativity is similar in that you are putting together this moment this show, but you have to keep in mind that all that matters is what the final result is and the ups and downs and the individual performances really don't matter as much question. Thank you. Thank you. Next up. What is your name? And where are you from Brian garlic Mankato Minnesota? All right. All right, Brian. What is your question for Chris just wanna say real fast, my beautiful wife, and I had lunch with Peter from boost of Ozzy? And he was totally talking trash about how he wrecks you with us guitar. So it was an accident. Jeez. I didn't even know. I don't know. He could come up in my face. I wouldn't even know where the hell it was. What is the question Brian? So I'm big fan of Jim cornets wrestling was there ever discussion between you Lance storm. Any of the producers about trying to revive the thrill seeker gimmick in any of the other promotions that you work for and if so like any cool ideas for like entrances vignettes finishes stuff like that. No. There was last night. We're tight seemed very early on in our career, and then Lance left the team he wanted to go on his own, which of course, you were going to do that anyways. When the thrill seeker opportunity came up. I mean, we had a conversation. And do you want to be a team again? Like, should we do this? Yes, I chance to work in the states. Let's do it. But when when that ended there was no discussion because neither one of us really wanted to be in a tag team. We're a great team. We had a lot of chemistry especially in the early days. But you know, you start spreading your wings. And I realized I don't I don't play well with others. I don't want to share the spotlight I want it all on me. So I think that's a it was a fun time. It got cut short because I broke. My arm, and then we've pretty much done with it. But I learned a lot and smokey mountain. I really enjoyed my time there for sure. Thanks, brian. What is your name where are you from Jeremy from Fort Lauderdale, Florida? All right, Fort Lauderdale. What's your question? Jeremy, Chris you've wrestled the who's who in wrestling from undertaker triple h H B K, you beat rocking Austin and the same night. Would would Kenny omega make the list of top five wrestlers you've ever worked with? Well. I mean, I've only worked with them one time and we had. No, one of the best matches that I've ever had. You know, people say five star match, whatever you want to say bottom line was it was a great match. People enjoyed it. It did great business, which is always the most important thing. So I'd say for first time, and this is interesting, you only get better when you work with somebody more, and I can only compare it to my wrestlemainia nineteen master Shawn Michaels that everyone will say, oh, I love that match. And it was the best master wrestlemainia. That's the first time we ever worked, Sean. And I it's the first time we ever touched in a ring. So I can only compare it that I know that Sean is one of my all time favorite opponents that Kenny would be one of my all time favorite opponents as well. I just have to work with them more because it only gets better. If you start at five stars. Oh my gosh. How high can we take it? If we worked a dozen times. So that's still to be determined. You know, I'm not going anywhere cat can't isn't going anywhere. So hopefully, we will wrestle again soon. And we're going to be wrestling on the ship here alpha call, right? Thank you Chris tomorrow night. Thank you. What time tomorrow? Are you wrestling? Do you think it's ten o'clock ten o'clock to come back from your excursion sober up? Come watch our match. What is your name? And where are you from Andrew from Tucson to Andrew what's going on to ceann EG's? All right. What's your question? Chris as a man of a thousand four talents. You've traveled the world with topnotch wrestling in passionate music alone. As opposed to all the hardcore influence you had in music. What are some of the songs you listen to four more mellow, you guess? That's good questions. Man. Thank you. It really liked us known mostly as a rock guy. Yeah. So what bellows you out? Well, it's interesting to me music is very much. Are you on meth out of you? How do you Mel up? What mellows you out musically? I like the Beatles. Oh, my all time favorite band of all time. And I mean, the Beatles aren't Mel they're super heavy at times. But there are some really cool songs that gets you the Song-Chol I want you. She's so heavy and it's not a ballot. It's just a really cool song. And if I can put that on just five out after every fuzzy show, I always put on tumbling dice by the stones that that mellows me out. It's just kind of a cool vibe or really enjoy it up. So it's not so much put on you know, slain Dion some ballot and start crying. It's more of just certain songs that I like listening to that get me in a certain mood, and it's mostly Beatles than stone stuff. Both those bands. It's really speak to me, whether it's gimme shelter or midnight rambler or you know, a girl by the Beatles. It saw that song as the heaviest you could murder somebody to that song because it's just jaw. Oh, yeah. So they go those those type of tunes to be the ones that really I feel joy, just I'm picturing this guy getting mellowed out player. Who's that? That's the chef from the Muppets. Dirty. Any veteran? Bette better was in slayer spinnaker lounge tomorrow night. We'll have the chef from them up at show singing slayer for the comedy show. Everybody go to the spinnaker labs tomorrow at nine o'clock next up. What is your name? And where are you from my name is Jeff Pruitt, and I'm from Chattanooga, Tennessee, all right out of new guy. And I just want to say, this is the best idea you have ever had this whole thing. Thanks grant. Jeff. Thank you one hundred percent. My question is is who's your best friend in the wrestling industry? That's a good question, man. You know, it's interesting. You you kind of go in cycles were it's almost like army army buddies, Kevin Kevin Sammy or friends of mine for sure guys, I think at this point time, I got a group text with Luke gallows, Karl Anderson. Samoa? It's gals and Anniston and the and the Joe's that are Simone. It's Samoa Joe. And it's Roman reigns. And those those guys are my five the five rows, and then actually become pretty close to Kenny, and Cody and the bucks recently, Shane Helms, great friend of mine. Eddie, Kristen dean, we're we're very close. The cure. Kristen Eddie, you're gone with dean dean, and I you know, you go and see you go through. Let's see somebody for a long time. But with the wonders of texting the group texting Conan disco infernal idiot didn't make it. You know, those those are all good guys. It was Ramos stereo. I don't talk to Oscar a lot. But he's still one of my best friends because I've known them for so long. And I what have my back at any time. I get along really well with Vince Vinson, I have fun discussions about different things. Sometimes so yeah. Those just deuce Rawlins in other guy hard to narrow it down to just one. It really. Is. It really is really. But I think the five that gals Anderson in the jobs that are Simone or problem. My closest right now. Great question. Thank you. Jeff. Thank thank. I guess. Like you helped you become a wrestler in the beginning. Like who pushed you to get there? I mean, we'll probably Lance storm. You know, he's the guy that we started out training on the first day, and were, you know, very good very early on. So that's probably the earliest guy. Don callous, who's here? Another old friend of mine now runs impact wrestling. Yeah. Good question. Thank you. Next up. What is your name? And where are you from? Hi there. My name's Robert I'm from Paso, Texas, El Paso Randy's. All right. They have the best roles. I would stick. My dick in gases every year. Buffs. Sorry. Both earmuffs every little comedy club. Yuks? That's the worst. You get your you laughing lots good paychecks, but they're always from the chuckle hut. And it's like mom I made it I'm at the chuckle hut for. All right. What what is your question for Chris? Hey, Chris, I've been training to be a professional wrestler for about a year now. And I wanted to know when you're first training, what moves or drills were you scared to do at first. Top rope standing in the ring looking at the top rope. You like that's not very tall. He goes down on the damn thing. It looks like you're thirty feet off the ground the belly to back suplex to me. Just always look like I used to call it like that's going to be that's going to hurt that's gonna be the move. That hurts the most. I just know it I just know it, and then you do it. And it's like, it's it. It's the caveman Brody need your up all over again. So those moves were always hard is he wants to train with Lance storm. And he could do anything. He could do a springboard off the top ropes that I was convinced that I had to do a springboard off the top rope bride never make it. I fell thousand times I think I did it once and that was the worst thing is they just do it. Once I did it once each time. You do it. You fall worse. You get lower. He could jump straight from the ring right to the top rope. I would try that. And just bail and kill myself every time. So it's not what you do. What you don't do? You don't have to do all these things. It's you know, I think I have to. Moves now. But. Done pretty good with them. You know, Denver deal with them. So yeah. Arm bar. Exactly. Good question. Next question. What is your name? And where are you from? Hi, my name's Kelsey. And I'm from Phoenix Phoenix. My question is grill in downtown. Mozzarella. They make homemade mozzarella at coaches since YouTube show for you here. All right Kelsey. What is your question for Chris? My question was how does the festival of friendship rank on your list of favorite segments? Amazing. Can I just say with the festival of friendship? They put out a place it, that's three place. That's that are out there that came from the mind of Chris Jericho, the festival of friendship the money in the Bank and the Ambrose asylum match. So there you go. So if you guys play with those at home, like Zack Ryder. Those are mine. Fessel friendship. I knew what I wanted to do with that months earlier because it was it was the big turn everyone expected Kevin night attorney other. And they said, oh, this is the night. And we didn't do it. This is the night. We didn't do it. And it was good six eight months. So everyone says, oh, we knew it was gonna turn. Now, you didn't you didn't know shit, and what I wanted from that was it to be a nineteen eighties. David Lee, Roth video at the beginning that ends up as the red wedding from game of thrones. At the end. And if you watch it now that I said, the David Roth, you see it was super campy top had, you know, a blinking top hat like the. Dancing, girls and friendship the magician who was the shit's, by the way, it's a terrible magician. If he's here, I apologize. And then to go to where he gives me the list of kale. Oh, wow. This is cool. And then the famous Why's my name on this and then look up, and it's like oh shit here. He comes boom. And I wanted that. Because there was a lot of suggestions that some people didn't wanna do that. Would you want to do? Because that's the way it works. And I wanted it to be something where you knew it was coming. No, no, no, no. No, no, rather than it coming from behind like if you watched like a horror movie with a slasher, and they cut your head off for behind. You're not going to feel any fear. Dread. You're just dead. If you open the door to see the guy standing there with an accident or city like, oh, no, no, no, boom. And that's what I wanted for that segment. And that's why it worked out so well because it was the ultimate betrayal that everyone saw coming. But no one saw it coming and no one really wanted it to happen. So wanna did it was? So it was it was a moving moment. You know? It was never forget the festival friendship, and I definitely include as one of my top moments in the business for sure thank you Kelsey from Phoenix honorary mentioned, by the way to hop. Dotty burgers in Phoenix. That is also mazing last question man is that what is your name? You're gonna end this. Where are you from? Jason, and I'm from Tasmania Australia. There's no way in hell, you know, any cheese off to Tasmania. I haven't been there yet. Tell me where to go and Tasmanian funny bones in Tasmania. All right has made that one I don't know. That was a good Tasmanian devil Craig gas. Everybody has many temple tomorrow night spinnaker lounge nine fifteen pm. I think I'm actually moving the Showtime as we're doing this nine fifteen. Go ahead. All right. I was wondering who would you pick to induct you into the WWE hall of fame and the rock and Roll Hall of fame. And heaven fuel kids shown an interest in pursuing other rock and roll. We'll wrestling well out of my kids, my daughter Cheyenne. I think is the one that would be most into the wrestling. She's got the personality for it. And she just seems a little more rambunctious than my other two my son loves fishing heels loves rock and roll. But he'd like his favorite song is Africa by TOTO and not the not the weezer version. He was on total like a year ago. Mike, how the hell do you know total? You're fourteen years old. So we listen to data. I'm like a high lovey. Thank you. And his friend was in a band. And I said, why don't you sing don't wanna sing? Like do. You don't you don't have to sing you'd have to really saying look at David Lee. Roth. You're good looking kid. Just go up there and work the crowd, but that's not his personality so slayer slayer or. And the other is rock and Roll Hall of fame Paul Stanley, which should be great. Absolutely. Okay. Here's twist. Listen. Oh. And wrestling hall of fame. I have little joke with myself that if I ever get inducted into the hall of fame that w hall of fame, I'm gonna pull the Sex, Pistols and not show up. So who's going to be alone? At the send a letter that says, not only am I not accepting this, you can't even mention my name that was oxo Rosiak combine out throws in the central because how cool would that be how much of a Jericho thing with that just refused and not show up. That'd be way better than showing up like in a light up tuxedo or something. And you know, talking about working my first match for a hot dog and a glass of orange juice. I mean, come on, man. But even if you don't show up who would you pick to be the guy that talks you up, and look I used to think that Shawn Michaels would be good bites. He's done it before. I would say honestly, I think like I think Kevin Owens would be good. And I'll tell you the reason why. He grew up as a fan of mine and then ended up doing this amazing angle with them. But we had great chemistry and just a whole cool. Once again, eight month angle, whatever it was. So I think it'd be kind of cool to have him do it from both sides of the coin from being a fan of Chris Jericho, and then getting to work with Chris Jericho much like when Sean got inducted they never asked me, but I would probably been real good candidate for that as well. So I will say Kevin Owens or my go-to answer is always the same Funaki. Well, I gotta say to wrap this up. Thank you for your time. And to have this thing happened from a couple years ago as an idea when you first started talking about it, how cool would it be to get on a cruise and have wrestling and rock and comedy and everybody just from the idea to the reality, it, even people here at six men and people who work on the ship are going. I was always wondering for the since they announced this how this was going to be and this is so much fun and everybody here loves you. So thank you for putting this thing together, man. Thank you. Once again, make some noise for Chris Jericho, everybody. All right. The first four hundred cabins have already been booked for the upcoming Chris Jericho rock and wrestling rage at sea part setting sale January twentieth. Twenty twenty so the Q and for next year already booked and closed. But if you're lucky enough to get one of those first four hundred cabins, this what you'll be taking part in what you just heard. And if you weren't one of the first four hundred book a cabin do it. 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Great new band that we'd toured Canada with last year with us DDP is back doing live DDP yoga workshops on the ship. Jake. The snake Roberts is going to be there. He's going to do one of his special comedy shows beyond the darkness doing paranormal events. If you were there last year when you saw them try and dredge up UFO from the bottom of the ocean. It's very weird strange happening days straight is a lot of cool ideas to add to that. So many more talents hall of Famer is in rock and roll bands. And I don't even want to tell you when the time is right. It's going to blow your mind so book your cabin now. A pre booking at Chris Jericho cruise dot com and on March thirteenth, and if you want to wait that long once again, Chris Jericho cruise dot com cabins going sale to the world and elsewhere. We're selling from Miami to Nassau which is a great time last year. One of the best ports in the entire ocean. January twentieth. Twenty four twenty twenty of a lifetime. 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WKPWP - Thursday Flagship - Keller & Mitchell talk importance of Double or Nothing to AEW's future, 24/7, Ziggler, Super Showdown (5-23-19)

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Now PW torts and spreaker bring you the Wade Keller pro wrestling podcast. It's time for the weekly flagship talking current events in pro wrestling. I want to start by talking about what's coming up this weekend. We got a lot coming up next takeover, the super showdown the international pay per view of it, and double or nothing. A pretty busy couple of weeks coming up here of a big events. And then a lot in the rear view mirror from money in the Bank. Ron smack doubts talk about infielder topics, but I want to begin with double or nothing. The eight you w lineup. The first show truly promoted with the w logo since the announcement of the company and the lineup. Well, I want to get your assessment do, what's your sense from social media and your radar. How much of a buzz is there for this event, and he'll go to a job as a w done present putting a good first foot forward in terms of the matches I think it's a really good lineup but I don't think that there's not that Kenny omega seemed to be missing in action. Little bit of the. In the run-up to it. There's the documentary and all that. But can you make? And Chris Jericho seems to me like a first time matchup that really has symbolic. Meaning should have some trash talking on both sides that really gets this gets you going for. And I haven't seen that yet I mean I don't know this is Wednesday. We're going to get it. Maybe they've got maybe they're doing something different from the way you wrestling, pay per view done in the past, where they're coming up. Maybe they're going to try to do what the old Awa did the night in the show when they had live television before the show and just go, here's your angle. Here's your big promo fire. Fire everybody up. And then one last rush of adrenaline, but I don't know that. And I don't see that so but my feeling is there's there'll be a lot of people watching it, but it's not the it's not. Not the same as that first time with all in its. And it's not across the board either. So this is another this just seems to me like another next step in a w becoming either becoming a national promotion of some repute, or failing to do that. And so this is this is the next step. I think that they need to have a show with limited production problems. They need to have in these two look good. It needs to go across it needs to be on Tom the matches, of course, need to be very good. And I think they got a lot of where they can do that. And I'm interested in Jericho, mega because Jericho is the, the, the ring quarterback at the veteran and then Megan's at the top of its game. And So Jerry was Donald right with naitonal. He's done better than all right? He's done. All right in new Japan. So, but this is the one and and then, you know, the young bucks match. I think they've got they've got tremendous opponents. So. But, you know again, there's not that much storyline behind this, this again. Is this again, as a reaction against WWE and okay? The new thing is here and I have to say, like Cody and. Cody and Dustin that hasn't that, that hasn't like stirred anything in me. It just seems like something that would be done if, if the Ronald Sam is going to run an independent show, they have the two brothers go out because why wouldn't you and I looking at this, like this should be a good show, but it also should set up some things for their television. And we don't know when they're television stars but they still should should be they're so well do you expect their TV to start on October? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So to me, this isn't. When this is important Saturday, but when the announcement was made and TNT validated it on their Twitter account and at the up fronts, this event this weekend, while still a big deal is seen as it's kind of a preseason game. I mean to be honest. It's in Vegas. They sold sold other tickets, they're putting on a more than present of a lineup, but it's if the range of it succeeding, or failing is based upon looking at what a tells us about what they can do this fall at where I think all in was more about, it's a party for the sake of a party, we approved a point. And now we're just gonna all enjoy the moment to be in the moment. And I think Saturday night is more about let us show you what we can do. Let us show you what we have already, and let's set the tone for how we're going to be different, and that's that's important, and it's absolutely talking points. But like in the show has to be good. But it doesn't have to be great. It doesn't have to be. Equal to or better than wrestlemainia to coin, a phrase, but they also don't wanna leave people disappointed because there is among a lot of people, a lot of hope resting on eighty w being sort of the savior of their wrestling fandom, because a lot of people do have a sour taste in their mouth about WWE right now for countries business booking talent tone of the tone of the show, all of that. There's a negative about WWE right now with a lot of people in w timing wise, I think, is, is in a position to capitalize on it, but Saturday is their chance to show that everybody's projections of how good and alternate can be eighty w Concetta disfie- the bulk of those people. Yeah. I think so. Even I've seen a lot of anxiety to me about this show with what happened with Adam colon pot that matches now available. See, but they couldn't the for a variety of book reasons, and maybe some other reasons to they couldn't, they couldn't produce the match or they didn't want to produce the match and compromise. It and about any kind of development, come up as the Awa business has has been laid out or has been. Part my part come out and including POC and and Adam Cole, not being able to be delivered for whatever, you know, for book, raisins whatever the reasons were in Las Vegas, and these developments seen as proof where there's, there's big problems. There's like an anxiety. It's like almost a my gosh. This is this. And I'm like this is that. And it's like. Tells me there's this hope and this interest and almost a nervous wanna police don't police. Don't be building our expectations up for all this time. And then there's also. There's wrestling, there's a group wrestling fans and a lot of wrestling fans have learned to like persevere through bad material and something's bad. And then when something comes all of a sudden they're hearing. Hey, wait a minute praise. This, this is really this is really good. This could really work the stuff that came before. It makes them nervous to it kind of changes. The world changes a comfort level. And this thing working will change a lot of people's comfort level. This thing, not working disappoint a lot of people. So those, those two things, particularly just an alternative I real alternative on national television to the WWE, that's not trying to be the W, w the WB define trying to do is trying to do wrestling in a different way. And in a way that, like Jetsons, a lot of the things that people are not happy about with WWE. So. I see all that is be high interested. You know, a good show, a good wrestling show with solid finishes and all that kind of thing, but it was going to be it's going to be kind of impossible to. Well, it wouldn't be impossible, but they really didn't do much to get the personal issues going to have the promos. They had the background promo so that they haven't had the. The thing that kind of promos. So that kind of hype that makes the, the hair on the back of your neck, stand up. I've got to see this, you know, this is really is interesting. And so, you know, you're right. I wouldn't say it's a preseason game at all. I mean, I think they need to be. They need to have a show that is really good in a different way than all in was. But still is really good. And I think also they've got is the fan base going to be just so ready for a show to be good that they want it to be good that they will it to be good. I thought that was going to happen in massive Square Garden over wrestlemainia weekend with the wearing of honor Japan show, and it really did. And part of it was part of it is, I think, I think several months later in the fan base, and that many more difficult things in wrestling. And then and then the show really wasn't. It was really uneven. So this one, I think set a tone. Good job get that and jump through this hoop that because this is an important for eight, w yeah. Get seven billion humans on earth. Can't all like the same drink. That's why circle K has pulled their pop in foster pick your flavors and make that one in seven billion mix just right for you polar roster just seventy nine cents each at circle k limited time only at participating locations. Summertime tips, and fun facts from Paul and index. Total, nothing beats beers, and burgers. And with so many to choose from, we've got the perfect code one waiting for you serving up salads, at your cookout this weekend at a drivers eight to the table for a perfect pairing, when I'm the barbecue grill master, I've got to have a cold logger in my hand. Hey, grabby another. Whether you're hosting or just bringing the wine, we'd love to share always low prices, and ridiculous election. This summer, total wine and more. Cheers. Let's also produce ourselves and set the table, and then continuous may w talk before we get to other topics. I am Wade Keller. This is the Wade Keller pro wrestling podcast for Thursday may twenty third two thousand nineteen and my guest on today's flagship is progressing torch senior columnist. Bruce Mitchell who has been writing for the pro wrestling torch newsletter since nineteen ninety back when Dan Quayle was vice president. And that's yes. That's what nine hundred ninety is known for. And Donald Trump was a book author and tabloid celebrity. So Bruce, great to have you back on the flagship, it's a good week diving on lot to lots of digest and a lot to look forward to. There is a lot going on right now. Definitely setting stage for a lot more. So yeah, yeah. So we'll run through a lot of those who else winter some listener questions tomorrow, Sam Roberts from WWE and the Sam Roberts pro the San Roberts wrestling podcasts and not Sam podcast. I can't keep track of whether it Sam or not Sam, but he'll be with me for any Friday, and we're gonna talk WWE look ahead to super show. Noun to annex t takeover a standalone show for an exte-, and some more double, or nothing talk. You're welcome to sap questions, by the way to that to Wade Keller podcast at PW torch dot com. If you have topics or questions that you want, I'd say to discuss, I do, I want you to ask him Roberts now that the Tom agape Bret Hart matches then founded put up on the network. What's the what's his next? What's his next? Holy grail. What's his neck on piece of footage that he hasn't seen or thinks maybe out may or may not be out there that he would like to see what's, what's the what's the next holy grail? Because once you get once you get the holy grail. It's not the holy grail, you'd be onto the nationally. All right. We'll send it in by Email. Remember? Decided, Bruce, no? Okay at the Senate, right? On the air. But I, I don't remember that by going. Go to the about shot, I ought to should. Yes. All right. Cool. So. Yeah. The roster right now in Awa Bruce. We might get news on demand Bros soon, signing with them, or people might start to get worried. If if things don't one hundred percent come through. Do you think it is not vital? But. What's, what's one, step short a vital like that they'll be a bit of an empty feeling if after double or nothing. All we see is an I'd say, always seeing quotes because a good lineup and all we see is what they don't have the time or does eight w is it smart, if they have been able to have a surprise or two that will create a buzz beyond a good wrestling show for the announced matches and his dean Ambrose one of those. Pieces. That would would give fans a sense of satisfaction that, okay, they're not quote stuck in place with the lineup. They have WWE's pushed back signing some guys to contracts to retain them. And there's just not a lot of valuable indie guys. Independent contractors to choose from. And it might send the signal. They're going to have trouble filling out that roster even more is Saturday important to send the message. Hey, keep you never know who's going to show up. Well, I think the sense of they, they have made some veiled, references to the fact that they since they lost the puck match since you left Adam Cole match that something else is that fans will be satisfied with we'll take place in some way. So I, I, I would think that would mean somebody who's not currently known to be on the roster shows up and not Dillinger who they just said, but they have to be careful about not being looked at as not being looked at as w. CW and. Yeah. Tea, and I too, but I mean, the WCW formula was to, to have that major star surprise every time, and now every time that, that, that, that they've come to back, you know, the first time with the press conference to announce the company, they Chris Jericho than they had Kenya, Megan and they've announced. They've announced talent. That's been good solid talent made sense to fit into what you know what they're doing. And so, I don't if fans are going to watch the show and go amorous didn't show for this, or a dean, Ambrose level. I think the Ambrose fits the Bill beautifully, but it's d- Moxley. I mean Jon Moxley fits the Bill beautifully, but he but if he's not there. I don't know that that's like anything like judge them by. I'm W's grabbing people right and left and everybody's grabbing people, right? And left. And, and I think that they're going to I don't see that they're not gonna have a account roster what they need to have, and they've got the base of it, which is some newer, names, or at least names that are, that are defined in different ways, like Cody has been in the last years. And that can that can generate interest that can generate something not just people who. Cornucopia. There's a long list of well known names to wrestling fans that would do them. No good. That would do pretty much antibody. No good. But, but you know who they are? They don't need to play that game. They need to build on. They've got the core. Then you build on what, what works with this core. And, and, and who has worked in the past with them in new Japan, a ring of honor, and on who's out there that could do a good job to work with. And they're gonna they're gonna have some hits they're going to have some. This is going to be it's recruiting and but they have some they have some things some serious things to offer particularly in this time where there's a lot of people that w w they're always frustrated. But there's a lot of people in WWE who are really frustrated with the. With being asked to rub asshole, and they're on their but for their for their I'm wrestling match like that just tired of it. And so, you know, it alternative that, that they can make a good living with that has operative that has the opportunity to grow, and they can be creatively. A lot be and be able to count on creatively working in one of the things I was so impressed with all in was that nobody got. Nobody got buried or like mean -ly us to you. To get over a point, or to get revenge or anything like that. Everybody from animal to Raymond stereo or anybody else. Coda Bucci, they got used at the best place that they could be used in that show to the best advantage. And, and so that's there too. But I mean I think I you know, I don't know if John Moxley Lewis going there, but. He's definitely that's definitely a major player, I would not be shocked to see him on that. Also wouldn't be shocked. If he's going there, if he's going there that he wouldn't that it wouldn't be something that you would pull the string on the first shut on the first. TNT show in October, a yeah, exactly truly embracing your complexities means rejecting anything that can harm you are, like smoking cigarettes, which can damage nearly every part of your body tap, the banner to see more this free life freedom to be tobacco-free Google pixel fans for a limited time. Get both are sprint unlimited plan and the all new Google. Pixel three included for under thirty five dollars per month per line for five lines. All you need is approved credit in eighteen month. Lease and new line of service. Visit your local sprint stores sprint dot com or call eight hundred sprint one today bone eleven of seven per month after five fifty six per month. Predator vibe within two bills remaining balance stoop, cancelled early, unlimited basic after six thirty twenty eight thirty two dollars per month per line for five lines with auto-pay data deprioritization during congestion. Excludes taxes, surcharges, roaming, speed, maximums, use rules and restrictions apply. What, what's the mix of established names of people recognize when they in on the first time versus having a pre the way that you present the talent that just whether people have heard of them or not? You've because a lot of people are gonna watch that show and not have ever seen Kenya mega before. I know it's hard to believe for people to watch new Japan in Kenya Meg all the time. But. People are going to tune in having never seen him before. And maybe not even heard of him before and you can't just put anyone in that spot. You can't try to pass off Ty Dillinger as a made about wrestler, and people know him you can't pass off hangman page right away as a maid of at wrestler without that presentation being there. And then the delivery behind the mic in the ring, and the whole look of the show, so well we talk about. Hey, dean would be great, the Dina's great in part because of the talent that he has that maybe it was tapped or miss miscast and WWE, then there's the name value aspect. But to me, the most important thing for AWS to set a tone out of the gate, and that's kind of the e CW model, but with a budget, we are we when you watch our show, you're gonna think that these wrestlers are the biggest stars, and they're going to be good enough in the ring gear the lighting the ring entrance, and how they wrestle that you're going to believe it, and then we'll have the voice of Jim Ross and some familiar credible names surrounding them. Helping that along. But to me eight w has to has to create their own stars. But that's tough with WWE signing so many names out there for developmental in Europe. And in the United States that it's a thinner, pool that it would be if WWE weren't as aggressive as they happen, the last couple of years, thinner pool. But, but they have this base of, of the new wrestling of the wrestling that delivers they've been apart, you know, they're not. I mean omega is right in the middle on it, but they've been everybody in this has been a part in some way, shape, or form in the last several years of Bing, part of the, the best wrestling in the world, as far as hell to say it for starring as far as in ring quality, and storytelling, and, and pacing and athleticism, and all all the things that make for great wrestling, they've got that you, I would very much. Think that the first couple of television tapings, they're going to be filled with fans who are really enthusiastic about all these possibilities have been thinking about for a long time, and they're going to react to the top people the way like their top people in the in the wrestling business. So what that means is, is when that fan is watching who goes, hey, I, I heard about this on the NBA on TNT. I heard about this wherever it was, you know, I really I don't watch access. I don't watch new Japan. You know, maybe I've heard these nights and a lot of people have heard these names. I mean a lot, I know when I go to shows when I go to when I go to India shows and Rehana shows NWEA shows, and, and whatever it is, you know, and ten lives, the people that I kind of talked to that I've known for years that aren't following don't follow things in a different way. They know who those people are so. If they turn on the television, like, oh, this is the new thing and they're not getting bombarded with. You know with, with a lot of things that bother them even if they don't know why the doublespeak and, and all that, and they see this enthusiastic crowd, and then they see somebody in the ring who has charisma they can recognize the charisma, and that has an energy and something in their match where they're going dam, and the crowd. You know this is good. And the crowd is reacting to it. And it's new, I don't think they're going to go. Well, all we got is all they got is demand. They changed name. I mean, I think they're going to go. This is wrestling. It's a new approach. This is something new, and it's a hot product and they've got to like for that. But then it has to be to that. They that they introduce everybody in a way that's not boring. People who know these guys, but it's also taking the person. I mean that's one of the things I think, is so bad about WW as there's no place for a new fan who just would be interested in wrestling at large. Life characters fighting. That they did an ankle Monday night, the twenty four seven belt, where you whether you like it or didn't like it, you really needed to know that, that Mick Foley was a part of something twenty years ago that had another name that they're not using and there was about, like this, and that it's the revival and they're doing this for whatever reason, and you'd have to know this arcane history. I mean you can learn it from watching television from years and years. But if you just turn it on, you're like, why are they doing that? What are they doing? What does that mean why is the sky saying this, and what's the big deal about this instead of something that, that catches people who are serious wrestling fans but also has easy entryways for people who would like to be fans, but they're, they're sampling for the first time that it's not that I think, I think that's easily done. I mean it's not easily done, but you have to you have to do that. And you have to do it in a solid way. Way. And there's video packages, there's all kinds of things that they can do to, to do that. And introduce that show and, and have that balance between people are already up and ready and ready to run and people who just like to see wrestling, and we'll give this a chance and then we'll recognize hey, this is this is this looks newer, this is looks younger, this looks fresher. And those guys they're not wrestle not wrestling to same type of, and I think AWS is definitely pushing for this, not having the same type of characters and wrestler's wrestling, the same type of matches that sameness WWE has that, that they can they can take advantage of w the guys that Russell in a different way are used as cannon fodder most of the time in WWE and, and look a large Anderson in the Lucia Shapur Lucia house party Sullivan or Sullivan. Don't we mustn't he's about seventy five years old? Get Lord while the Wade Keller progressing post shows and Wade killer, progressing podcasts and PW torch daily casts are all ad-supported free programs. You can make the ads and plugs, go away and went to be great to listen to the straight through without ads and plug. You can become a VIP member and unlock access to thirty plus years of archives of podcast retro radio shows over fifteen hundred back issues of the purposing towards newsletter. 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The there's actually been in a row tion of your ship on YouTube of being the elite, despite everything. That's happened in the last year, including last week being announced, at the TNT, upfront and getting a social media buzz does that concern you at all should that have doubled in a year or gone up twenty thirty percent instead of dropped. It doesn't really concern me because it's still strong enough, and there's people that, that, that knew that what concerns me for a w is the erosion of the erosion of audience for WWE that, what really concerns me I mean like that's the one that I'm looking at going. Eight w has. I mean I mean eight w now that the show being the elite is going to be an off ranch now. And it already is instead of one of the main places, and then they, they have not been participating we haven't seen omega much at all. And they they've not been participating in new Japan very much and or non. And they've the ring of honor time has come to an end for them, too, so they kind of make sense. I don't I don't look at that one way or the other as, as big trouble what, what concerns me is that the Bill came due in the entire television industry for, for wrestling, because of what, what went on and WWF, and there's a cornucopia problems, but basically, it's basically just the crappy way it's presented and the frustrating way, it's been presented for many years. And then when when. Ronda rousey. And when Rhonda Rousey left at wrestlemainia and Brock lesser laughed and Roman reigns was gone. And, and then they didn't seem to do much with that. I mean. Seth Rollins did a good job. And there's there's some stuff that's been been all right. But it's just this a rose this everything just kind of like the faith that people have faith wrestling fans happened that has now finally kind of seemed to got into the business world. And so I worry about that. There's a w six lots too late is Awa year too late to jump on there. Or is it right? Where you go the frustration is at a peak for WWE a, but there's always going to be a market for pro wrestling done done in a way that can satisfy people that make sense, and has some star power that, that people want to see less less watch you and him fight. They're always going to want to do that. And it's part of it's part of human nature. So which one is it which one is it? They are with that. I'm not mean. Yeah, I it was never going to be the thing that was going to make them a promotion. No, no talking to make them a promotion. But it's, it's not a positive sign. I don't think there's a positive up on the number going down, and it might be ominous. It might be meaningless. But it would I'd feel better about all everything that's happened in the last year. If that had led to viral growth, and it hasn't, and one hundred fifty thousand or two hundred fifty thousand people world wide is not the seven hundred fifty thousand two million people. They need on TNT pretty much out of the gate to be considered something other than if he show that might be due for cancellation and that I'd like to if I may w I'm going to see those numbers increasing not decreasing. You're over here. Well, I mean I it is like when they hit the ground running. We don't know the television they've got a platform where they can where it was conceivable that they can get the numbers that they need, you know if if they're below a million there is not good. If they're if they're getting close to two million or even above it than it is good. And, and we don't know till we, you don't know till you get there and so they're not doing two million. That's there. Okay. I feel I should say no, but I feel real. I mean they're not going to do smackdown numbers right out of the gate. I don't now with the rest of that. They have and the social great, but man. Because this is a new thing. But yeah, okay. Well, I'm saying I'm saying, I pull back on saying, I know but I find it almost unamed I find it hard to believe that they would be banking, or TNT would be banking on doing smackdown numbers out of the gate that set everybody was surprised by nitro good. It did the first week but they had WW Saturday night in Herod whole region of the country that was excited about this, that tuned in and a Monday night. That was bought were rob was preempted and people were like, oh, let's check this out, and then they wrote that way from that we can take from that. But it's twenty years ago, and it's a different dominant replace. But yeah, okay. I mean, that's just less to like judge by, but, but a million good a million a million if big at that. I mean TNT TNT doesn't beat smackdown. Worst number ever. These days, all their original programming all their quote, hit shows that they produce do fewer viewers than smackdown. Worst viewership ever. So the bar is lower than it was twenty years ago to that's why. I think seven hundred fifty to a million out of the gate is pretty good. And then, you know, part of what I'm looking for is what does Turner sports to get do to get behind eight you w what do they have to offer to besides the NBA, which is great and Conan late at night on TBS, and they I want to see that, that commitment from T, and the Warner media properties, like FOX's showing the WWE and then that will that will make me less. Sure. That they're not gonna end up with two million out of the gate and I want to see the content I wanna see something feels like that, that feels like the fresh fresh wrestling, and it's cleaner. Don't mean cleaner, like. Juicy wait it. I mean clean. I mean clear PG, I mean cleaner, like just, just more straightforward, and more and less baggage with it all the baggage that we the kind of endure. So. And feeling like okay that's something that's going to grow up. That's something that I believe could grow on the platform with the and the network is like looking at going. Okay. We're not ashamed of this. We're gonna hit this and go with it. But I think I think that, that, that talent roster that top five is a basis that they can they can do they can build around and do some things with and no, they're not going to have established names to, to fans. But what they've got is an opportunity to for new fans to sample them and looking go. Wow. That was that was good. That. Wow. That guy is I've never seen him, but that's really cool when he hangs right there with them. And there's Jim Ross telling me that I'm telling me that he can hang with anybody in the. World. And, and, and this is, you know, I'm really liking this. And so, you know what happens when you have a new television show or a new. You know, when you have a new television show that catches on it can be, you know, it just looks right? They're doing a good job, and it's in an genre that you that already works, which is fighting like people like to watch people fight, and, and hopefully they they're working on, on premise stuff. And then they want to you know there's this thing of sports field. Whatever that means statistics, whatever that means we'll see how that lays out too. Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the dominion, energy reliability investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns, no, maintenance fees, and flexible, online access to your money, make the reliable investment in reliable energy, the dominion, energy reliability, investment to find out more go online to reliability, investment dot com. That's reliability investment dot com. Hey Google pixel fans for a limited time. 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It depends on how it fails, you know, it depends on like TNN failed Tina failed not because they did a good job and they got beat TI failed because they were corrupt intent from the very beginning, and that, and they kept doing the same things that didn't kept funding the same people and the same things that already have been proven not to work because they because there was a political thing where those people wanted to be paid and want to have their power, and we're not we're not going to give it up unless they're forced to when they were never forced to until everything. Just really came down. They lost moons of millions of dollars. That's on the inside of it. If, if they do let's say they do a cool show that a lot of roughing that's good show and they've got and they've got. And they give their best effort and they put it all together and all that. And it fails because of because just maybe w just has to big, too big elite on them too big too big. Several decade had had start and it just it just doesn't work out for them. Then that's another thing then that's going to mean that that's going to mean that people. Are going to be leery of try. It's gonna make it harder to get another promotion on national television, besides WWE. It's gonna make it. It's going to make is going to shrink and shrink is going to shrink the business on this. This has been an expansion of the business that hasn't been around that has an opportunity for people to make good livings and, and be seen in front of a significant audience, and without dealing with WWE, and so create their own brands and their own their own ways, and earn revenue streams, and that's really important. So if that goes away, and it fails that means that WBZ will have that much more of a stranglehold than what they having. We're seeing all kinds of examples of it with even the even the death of Ashley massery. I mean it's you. You see you see where there's just not power on the side of, of people that are working, and, and it's all on the ownership side, and that's, that's going to be that's going to be tough if WWE if they get beat because w gets they're acting other and has a better promotion in a better. And that's what happened you w w. WCW had to seize their downfall even through their success because of their lack of discipline in so many different ways. But WWE got their act together, and presented a better product and was losing, and then took advantage of the weakness in their competition, and then went off on a boom period because they got either because they were ready when the two pieces of talent rock and Steve Austin came through they had the platform ready to take advantage of it. And, and so, like I said it depends, but it's not something that. I don't know there's going to be out if there's gonna be wrestling in ten years. I don't know if I don't know if there's not going to be bigger and better wrestling in ten years. I mean, I think the one thing that wrestling has ever any anything, whether it's a shooter, a work of those of the thousands of people like people like to watch five since so if you can give them fights that, that, that engage them emotionally, and with stars and willing to pay for it. You got something. So, so, yeah, I, I don't think but I don't think if this, this comes out flat, if it's a good product and people just go, I'm not into wrestling, and screw it. I'm so tired of the wrestling, I've seen for years. I'm just not willing to give it another chance. You people aren't ready to do it then. Yeah, that's not much of an answer. But that's the answer. Yeah. All right. Let's speaking of that will transition, speaking of WWE and some of the controversies in how fans perceive, the company right now. You can say a phone that it's bad for Awa because WWE. His viewership is down. Smackdown again this week drawing fewer than two million viewers a little up from last week, but still under two million, which, you know, few years ago, but it just seemed like what's, what terrible thing has happened to cause that. And instead, it's now sort of no shock. But the Saudi Arabia thing, WWE's promoting super showdown, McMahon coined the phrase, it will be equal to the equivalent of or better than wrestlemainia, and they're referring to it as an international pay per view of vent. They've even stopped saying it's Jetta and they are not even saying. It's in the Middle East. They're just telling you what time it's on in that. It's an international pay per view. They're not even saying in king of Dula stadium anymore. Like they did initially there really softening the idea that, that they're trying to either hide that it's a Saudi Arabia, or let fans know who know it's a Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia's getting nothing out of this, in terms of PR. Because at least our machine is not broadcasting to the world, that this is an acceptable place. And in fact, we're sending a message might not talking about the country in the stadium that there's some, some shame here. To be associated with. So I'm kind of curious. First and foremost, your thought on how they're promoting super showdown, and how they're framing it in, in trying to camouflage the location or at least not inflame people who has strong feelings about. I mean it's so insulting. That people people who would be upset by them getting into getting into business with an arc that oligarchy that, that ports power that Hornets billions of dollars and treats women and gay and murders people without any murders, people and turn on free press. Yes. Yeah. I mean that's all. That's so Moore beheads thirty people at a time that kind of thing, if you're upset by that, and you're upset by an American company going into business with somebody like that. And not only that going into business to, to, to put a. Put a hype on the type of regime that they have the type of business that they do. And I mean what we just talked about. And so if you say about that you're not going to be fooled by they didn't say the name of the country, you're not going to be fooled by they didn't say the name of the stadium, aware that's from and, and you can and so far, but I think this is going to I think this is going to blow up on them, you can sit there and go, they soft pedaled it, and, and they're trying to just do the show and, and keep the keep the, the billionaires happy with how stars they get to see and starts from the past, but also just kind of tiptoe past Wall Street and all this, and they got they got hurt the last time because because of the murder of the journalists was just international. For lack of a better word front page news. Then you've got today there was, you know, they want they're, they're trying to kill another journalist and all that. But here's the thing, they also the main event of this show is a Jewish man versus the personification of death. And you can't at once. That's one that, that the media that the mainstream media can't get their hoax, into that's big concept stuff. And I don't know how you finish that match. I, I suspect you do the old they ended up teaming up against some. Some mid card heels together and don't have a Finnish, but, but that's what they're doing. And, and so Saudi Arabia is mortal enemies with Israel, and that's just the religious battle there, too. And the cultural battle all that. It's amazing number one. That's amazing to me that Bill over going, and I've heard, you know, the reason. Well, it's a lot of money. But it's just there's if they get if, if WWE gets passed this, this is not even judging it. Honestly, it's just if they get past this, it's because nobody cares about much of anything they do anymore, and that's they can do whatever they want to. And as long as they're start as long as stock prices. Is trending towards one hundred dollars but they've gone down twenty twenty bucks a share since their height. And that was an, you'd have to like point at Saudi Arabia is not a wrestling fan thing. I only wrestling fans care. It's like I think the ones that do care. Going to watch anyway. And I think just being around like I said, a lot of different wrestling fans. A good bit of the time. I don't hear that. I hear the people that I expect to object to it. But there's a lot of fans that are just like the barely, they're trying to like survive what they do. They're not interested in. International politics. It just not and they never happen. So I think that, but I do think that, like I do think that the Wall Street in the business world and the networks that they're and business with if they were like killing business everywhere than, then I think they would look the other way. But since there's cracks in the facade now, this is one that like it could be just another bunch of. And like I said, talk about a second story. I mean that made event is just symbolically ridiculously as it could be the perfect storm. For for just a mess. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect coffee. Table is out there just waiting to be found at homedepot dot com. No. You won't have to build it. Because now the Home Depot has everything for your living room from Lennon's opus decide chairs and with easy and store returns, you could bring him back if you ever do build one yourself this Memorial Day. Save up to twenty five percents lick living room furniture. Let's get free inflexible delivery. Shop decor now at Home Depot dot com. More saving, more kinds of doing. 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Women can drive even though there's women who protested women not being allowed to drive are still jailed according to Sky News reports, so and it's also just it's not just the company doing business with, with this government. It's the government reaching out to an American company to, to put a more positive. Lie on what they're doing and be more of a distraction. Like, look, we've got this great entertainment. Look, we've got these great. We've got these great facilities when you have have a beautiful time and, you know. Point to selected the selected things that show some shows some progress, but really across of it is. There's not that progress in and w hat to not, you know they've had to step back but still have the shows. And then when the heat is off. I think we'll see the return of the propaganda that first show if you haven't seen it go back and watch it on the network is full of kicking of you're watching live in the navy. They cut it out with his full of, of propagate. But yeah, but there's no other way to say it like you segments. Your ten minutes at a time of what a wonderful, wonderful country. The spices. And in WBZ. Not the only major US-based based organization are actually quote western world, organizational dot of a lot of organizations and companies were paid were paid and sort of. Incentivized to tout the regime. But then, you know as this guy news report says Amnesty International says more than one hundred people have been executed this year. Some who beheaded in some crucified, including saleman younger than eighteen when they were arrested this is happening sit this isn't about distant past. They're asking for forgiveness for this is what they're doing now. And so that's why WWE if you're not paying attention, or national news or this slice of it. That's why not be knows that putting the word Saudi Arabia on a graphic or mentioning it as bad. But I think people are aware of this. I, I mean you can't fool people who are not. I don't care who you want. No one's that stupid. I've never heard of that ever been tried before either. It's you know, you're going to a controversial place. Let's not say the name as to incite people. But if we just say, it's a wrestling show is a wrestling show. It'll be alright. It's like, like if you're like, if you're paying attention to this issue that's at all. And, and that's something that you. Taking consideration. Whether you're going to do business WWE, or whether you're going to support what they support our or support them at all. If that's something that could be an issue for you. You should be insulted. I mean, because nothing nothing much has changed, and you accept, and I'll say this, you mentioned Johnston, the saying what he said, and he did, and it was embarrassing Johnson. Johnson. The refused to go back and, and Sammy Sammy sane not allowed to go and. Well, now this week, Kevin Owens like likely, let me get this, in likely scheduled to get the opponent of Kofi Kingston et super showdown. And he according to various reports including some of my own sources says he he backed out or adopt backed out he doesn't want to go, and that's what brought the abrupt title shot out of nowhere to dull Segler, who is willing to go. And I mean ten no one's going to score points with a lot of fans for that. But a lot of wrestlers including I think Goldberg and undertaker multimillionaires are going to be looked at differently by a lot of fans for taking what has to feel like suspiciously out of proportion large amount of money for a coming out of retirement type match. Unfortunately that, that last part is what I disagree with you about. I think that their fans that are going to feel. Nauseated or, or uncertain about that or have a bad taste in their mouth, and there's a significant number of them, but I don't. But I think. If you look at wrestling fans to protest and push back. That's just not part is just not enough of the culture and in my just not anecdotal look at this stuff. I don't I, I don't know that I don't hear a lot of before. And after enduring I hear the people that would that would be pissed off already be included already there. So, you know, I think it's more the, the damage to business to business interest. If w w eight than than it is damage to wrestling fans. Is there anything W W B can do with this situation to not undo it not making completely, right? But make it seem like a genuine effort is being made like could they announce, hey, we wanted to billion dollar year in revenue. We're getting it, but we're also making an unprecedented donation to charity that meets or exceeds, the amount of money that came in from Saudi Arabia, and we've asked wrestlers on the show. You know, if they want to donate, the they'll be included in that also from the paid as they receive from these and is that an option or just get out of the deal for an face the legal consequences? They can hire lawyers and it might be costly. But just be like we just can't do this out of principle. Is there or is there another option C? Or do you think that's crazy that they'd even be thinking that way because they just sort of want to get away with it so to speak? They want to get the money run the event, but just do their best to mitigate looking like they're drawing any attention to it in a positive way. Well, you'll hear you'll hear people. You try to tip toe through the, the old. It was jeans and rock and roll music, that brought down the Berlin Wall argument that WWE going out there. And, you know, being WWE an entertaining, the weight WWE entertains is, is letting the virus of American pop culture, seep its way into a very regressive repressive regime. And I think that's a bunch of malarkey, but they could they could try that one, but it comes back to one like I'm sitting there looking at it, they got this great opportunity to go. Yeah. This government is like loosening up because in the main event in the main event in any entertainment, or sports thing in Saudi Arabia. I'm assuming Bill Goldberg. It's the first Jewish headliner, so they could play that and go work at they'll go, go out there as a Jewish man and go. Okay. I'm confident with these people, they're like, you know, they're tolerant of my religion, and we all need to get along and all that kind of stuff, and they're not there is no indication that they're going to do that. And there's no indication that I mean when I say it and think about it. It seems just almost obscene. And, and so what do they, what do they do? I mean I'd look at Kevin Owens Kevin Ellen's, I know makes makes good money for family as a wrestler. He's one of the top wrestlers in the world. And, and this paid that way not the very top, but at the top, but he gave up a significant amount of money. Not to go to Saudi Arabia. He would have been paid a significant amount of money that he's now not going to be paid. Now, he's going to be paid whatever worke, he does for WWE on how show business or something that, that, that the people who aren't going are getting so he made a financial sacrifice to, to make a. To make a statement or just not even makes the statement that he's type person that doesn't want kissing something that unethical and, and you know. You know, so they can so and John CENA, sacrificed, a significant payday know, for John CENA, because, you know. You know what? Brock listeners getting. Those level for for one day at work, and really. Really, not the highest work ethic on the show either just a house. Oh. Or even less, as far as effort, guys and risk goes out. I would say, yeah, the only thing you do to get that, that is the right thing to do. It's not give something to charity. It's not to give because you're still supporting genocide, and he's still supporting murder. You're supporting refresh your supporting. Supporting an enormous amount of wealth and resources concentrated in a few families while. The rest the rest of the people don't benefit from their own countries. Well, I mean that's. You're still supporting all that. And then you're just you're paying blood money to, to help your conscience, the answer is you cancelled the contract and that and say, why and say because that's because we're better than this, and you and you don't go you don't do what they did which was like what w did was the exact opposite, which was. We did it for the money because we would, we would make our financial goals, and, and these people be in. Beheaded in Hong and all the rest of it. That's too bad. He didn't say that part, but that's what it is. It's like not even too bad. It's got nothing to do with us. This is about us, making this is about the, the people that really benefit from WWE, and really make a lot of money from wwltv getting on that much more money from it, and the people that make money from WWE. Benefiting somewhat from it too. So, yeah, you, you bite the bullet you take you take the plunge in stock price goes down the stock price goes that you're not in your ethically cleaner. Friday night, Sunday brunch. Does not match. Her backs are Beck's Queen every cigarette can cut your life short find that hard to believe than the banner from all this free like freedom to be to beco- free. The Starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. Let's go tickling the ivories. He just saved by bundling home and auto. Progressive gonna finally by a ring for that gal of yours. Ugo send my condolences. This next one St. there's. In my. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Discounts on available in all states or situations. Undertaker Goldberg is this historically significant in any way. Yeah. It's a Jewish man fighting the location of death in Saudi Arabia in front of a Muslim audience. Yeah, I'd say that's historic. I say that, that's one of the most historic significant wrestling matches that I frankly have ever heard of. So, yeah. Regardless of the location. Let's separate it from that for the sake of a part of the conversation here that was kind of evil in the. It's really a serious. Don't say it's evil. But just in terms of, like, hey, this, these are icon ick. Legendary legacy names that are battling would it have been a lot more cool, if it happened wrestlemainia this year last year even though there'd be some people saying, hey, enough is enough for both of you. Ten years ago, fifteen years ago, be cool, but having it not on wrestlemainia. And in under these circumstances certainly certainly take something away from it. But just from a pure timing standpoint. Nobody ever got to see Steve Austin against Goldberg, and they wanted to or Steve Austin against HOGAN. At a wrestlemainia, but undertaker Goldberg, it does sort of feel like the rest of mania name deserved this match if it was going to happen. So I don't know just talk about it. I guess kind of while in Saudi Arabia into it, but separated from that what do you think about the number one is taking place because the money behind it bought it like a paid enough money to get it. And the money behind wrestlemainia isn't willing to pay is willing to pay that at that level. Then the other part of it is it is almost like if. If Fidesz cheers wrestlemainia, if Steve Austin hall Cogan had a match next year. Russell Vaidya and finally had their match or and in hell if rock and Shawn Michaels had their match at wrestlemania two. They've never those historically significant big stars. Never faced each other facing each other on a big stage, and it would be the bait and switch rip off of all time. Because they can't do it. The, the four participants they're not action figures. They're not CGI images, their actual real people who have. Who have filled up their car to the point where they're not. They, they cannot perform at the level in the ring that they did in their in their prime. And so when fans if fans headed expectation of, oh, my God, Steve Austin versus how Cogan and they saw the then they saw the match, they'd be like that was terrible. What a rip off, and it would damage the company damage it would damage the Lexi of HOGAN the legacy of Steve Austin, and the other two would wouldn't look so good either. And so I mean this is what that is what this is this is undertaker past the point where he can put on a match wrestlemainia not at four stars. They're not not, but a match that is just credible. That, that can. Okay. That's the wrestlemainia match. It's not great. But it's undertaker and we'll be okay. He can't do that anymore. And. And that's the emission was the squash match with John, the comedy squash match with John CENA, the year before. And then him not participating this year and him just going to Saudi Arabia. Well, Saudi Arabia. Richie rich was stars in his eyes. He's got the undertaker Richie rich was stars of these is he's got Goldberg Goldberg on the wrestlemainia year before the Brock listener program was a was a beautiful magic trick. I mean it really was. Because because Goldberg had wrestled in seventeen years, the only thing you had going for him at that point was he could he could look like Bill Goldberg. And then the manipulation the booking of the matches that he was in with Brock last, or, and beating you haven't beat rock less quickly. There was there was an illusion. The illusion was kept. You could keep the allusion. Well, that's not gonna happen in this match. Bill Goldberg is hasn't been figuring out training for this match. He just got he just got an offer that he just went hell. That's a couple of days work. How can I turn that down? That's so much money and then w will take care of me. You're not gonna see you can see Bill Goldberg be thought vacation and death. The undertaker and triumphant as one batch in Saudi Arabia. But on the other hand, you're not gonna see Bill get beat by the undertaker either. What you're going to see some sort of cheat, and you're not gonna see all that much action with the two of them in the ring because there's not a lot that they can they can do. I mean, I really do think that somebody comes out at the old dodge of they stocked the match. But there's somebody that comes out and says, you all you too far who you kidding? And they say, well, let's team up together against these two Young America. Eric Rune guys, the arrogant route guys fly around for three or four minutes. And you get the match and you get them out of there. And you've got an you've had undertakers. Undertaker's entrance. And you've had Bill, Goldberg's entrance. 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I talked a lot about that on the way tiller person Poche show with Brandon, the Claire on Tuesday night in the post smackdown podcast. What was your take on Dole's performance, his framing of his return, relative to Kofi success? Yeah, I'm interesting your opinion on that. I mean, I think booking of it was as good as the book and could be for that. But it seemed like it seemed like exactly to me, what Kofi Kingston did not need, and that was he, he needed to be challenged for his title since he is taken that step up by someone who's not from the mid card. You say what you want to Donald sicklets talent and all that. But he's from the McCartney's lost a bunch, and they gave you a reason. But really, at this point with Kofi Kingston, he needs to be defending against someone. He needs to be defending against and I'm not saying this is the guy to do it with, but someone like a Randy Orton or, or above where it's the new champion facing someone who's been there before who can take it from him. And then a new champion showing that he's every bit of that of, of his challenger and more. This is his time. This is. This is just going to be all this gives you as it gives you a good match. No doubt about it. But I don't think it's going to have any kind of fire to it more than just being a good match and it's going to be kind of treading water for Kofi, and it's a placeholder for, for I, I was disappointed. I didn't wanna see picky turn on them at all. But it was. And so. But I was disappointed I just thought there must be something, and it's a step down from Kevin, because Kevin Owens has more credit, Kevin Owens has more credibility. It's one of my kind of reactions to it is it always feels like dole Sigler is rehearsing for the lead in high school play. I thought you said this off single. Yeah, but yeah. There is Senate. What's the midst, you know, MS like that to me, this is like that? Mrs MRs playing baby face. He's like a guy he's playing the role of, of a good guy. When I. Okay. So my point is, is when doll standard, I feel like he's on a stage with a spotlight on them, and there's the high school drama, teachers evaluating, whether he can cry and show that range of emotion, and dig deep to his soul, and it's these long speeches, and it's always about the agony in conflict within his soul. Like that's what I mean by like high school drama club. And it just feels like a rehearsal. He's always out there trying to. Get the EMMY award for that performance, MRs just being you know, goof, but my point with dolphins. There's just never a straightforward, you know. You know, regular heel promo. It's always gotta be this huge ordeal. And I, maybe this was one of the better performances of that lot. But it always seems like he's going for the home run. And there's all he's going for the home run as always this shoot work and the answer of his opponent every time, and they never say it should be, why don't you try and win a match Aklia? And like. And what you do that falls completely apart. And so, I'm I'm, you know, I'm good enough to be cast in a better role is not, and he's done it over and over and over again. I'm I'm I by range of, of my range of emotions and acting as is good enough to put me. I should get one of the lead roles and not the supporting role. Well, who cares? You know. You know, I mean, that's and that's that's been the problem with him if they've ever just booked a guy like he's a winner and have him win and have him and do something about the material that he that he has to talk about fix that then maybe after a while you might have something. But the same old thing every single time and then. Yeah. And, you know, and this is another one where it's just like we gotta do self, this guy won't come come up with something right now. Let's plug it in and get it. And hey. We we hit a jackpot Kofi Kingston when Ali south Ali got hurt. And, and so maybe maybe it'll happen with this. But in the meantime, we'll have a good match and we'll tread water and we can get back from Saudi Arabia and go back to Kevin Jones unless they wanna punish Kevin O wants and they don't want to go back to them, so yeah. Which could be I mean he's taken that risk to for, for a proof. Ayso O'Brien's, Daniel Bryan's taking a fall. In a non title taking title match on the post wrestlemainia, pay per view. Just a short time before he is not going to super showdown out of principle, if people are looking for WBZ show overcompensation to show, they're not punishing those people. This is not a good time. No, no. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Hold on. If you look at the, you know, if you look at the history of land, Mr. w w when they're challenged on things like this they, they fight back. And they they're puck nations about it. They're not they don't change. They, they try to strike. And so if your loyalty, they would look at that, like loyalty and not live, Disney just lost at. Yeah. They were looking at like, disloyalty instead of like I've got the person that has principles, and I can disagree with them, but they have principles they're willing to they're willing to stand by and cost themselves some money for our spec that so. I want to talk about the twenty four seven title and its execution. So far is this. Hey, it's Vincent man's brand. You go back and look at mid eighties. Saturday night's main events. There was any comedy. You know, Bobby Heenan Dunkin for pumpkins and chocolate sauce and hillbilly weddings. And he's always he's all not. Yes, I, I'm not judging it. I'm just saying this is not I am something. I'm here. Yes. Yes. I'm happy to judge a too, but for the sake of setting up the question about. So nobody should be surprised. This is always his inclination to want to do something along these lines. And this is stripping away the hardcore that he doesn't like, but introducing the zany nece and unpredictability of people running around to at least in my head Benny hill music chasing, each other trying to do trying to win a title that, that isn't meant to look all that prestigious, which I think a lot of people aren't understanding. It wasn't meant to look great people are complaining about it. Well, it's a joke of a title. So it should it looked great. But is this is this? Okay. Is it like hey, it's Vincent, man. Product, some people are going to laugh and enjoy it. They can do creative things at how shows on on social media with it. So who are we to say, or is this exactly the opposite of what should be trying to do to win back some of the fans who have tuned out in the hundreds of thousands that last part the things, the, the broad base comedy that? WBZ feature. You know you had some good examples from the old fence made of that dies. But as featured over the years, really as, as not invoke right now for for wrestling fans. And like it's not. When you hear me saying it's not like oh. They didn't want to be entertained. He wants to be he just wants sports. It has nothing to do with that. It's that style of comedy that you saw making a joke out of everything and. A man running around in a blonde wig running into the girl's bathroom into the women's bathroom, and everybody screams and that, that level of obvious lowbrow humor has not been working for WWE. I mean you can make your you talked about whether you like it or not like it. But it's just not been affective and, and for them to give up a good amount of time on for four that type of stuff, pulls down the rest of the show, where they. The only effective. Thanks for them have been when they've been able to get some spark of legitimacy some spark of this counts for something this has consequence and these are stars that really care about what they're doing they're fighting and they they're having a hard time sustaining that. And then you're just wasting time with this. And then anybody that's involved in this is going to have a tough time for a while. Growing out of it being ready for being able to be used in a program with any legitimacy with a higher. With a second tier from the top type of guy, they're not going into main events anyway. But it's like it's just kind of. It's kind of nice. It's just hard to imagine the this kind of. Last night was okay. I mean you kind of get through it. But it wears out quickly that type of humor. Well let let me out really quickly. I mean there's a reason why Benny hill back in the day was thirty minutes show. It wasn't and it was once a week thirty minutes. And if you liked it, you liked it and lots of people like the same reason that they want to see the TNA. They wanted to see the divas, and then it ran, its course it's like this stuff. It's hard to imagine this being around four or five months or year, I know. Yeah. Your old gas yard tools of met their match right now. The Home Depot has Memorial Day savings on ryobi's, forty volt cordless trimmer and blower combo kit, just one hundred fifty nine bucks. It has the performance of gas without the hassle. It's too powerful tools powered by a forty volt lithium ion battery platform and right now it's at a price. No one can match today's the day for doing with ryobi's trimmer bluer combo just one hundred fifty nine bucks. Only at the Home Depot. More saving. More doing. Valid through may twenty ninth while supplies last. 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Well, yeah, we all do, and when they debuted the twenty four seven title and explain the concept, I like into the DT wrestling promotion, ironman title, as it is a title, that's defended twenty four seven as well. They've done some pretty funny things with the are men title showing tunnel changes on YouTube a cat win one at once, because it was lying on the champ at the time and the ref pop up on screen and made it three count though. I'm not confident it will happen. I'm hoping to be, or at least wrestlers go, this route and come up with some hilarious ways for the title, the change hands. Thanks for all your content. So I mean, I think he's onto a strategy that either they thought of or direction though. Which is going to say this is a slice of WWE. We're not you shouldn't take. Seriously? They have the upper mid card wrestlers, and above sort of rolling their eyes at watching the circus. Go by it is absolutely contained in the separate universe with a separate set of rules that nobody's taking seriously and it's meant to be absurd. Is it better for them to even go that far to go even more absurd if possible with it than our truth in the whig was, and really make it clear? This may not be for you. But it's a it's a side show and it's not part of this other universe. But we of hope you'll like it. And if not, at least grit, your teeth and tolerated, you know, it's one thing for a promotion with not a lot of this ability to, to do some viral campaigning that way, if another, another thing for longtime wrestling, photographer editor figure in the wrestling business wrestling hall of Famer Bill after to have a belt where he takes around two appearances. Does. And he has friends and people name names in the business. Do pretty much exactly this. And, and you know, take some telephones some telephone camera picks them footage of it, and put it up on put it up on YouTube aware as website, and he has fun with it, and great cool. But yet, this is not this doesn't reach a level of four four. Segments at a time every single week. And then yet. No, you just get out of the business. It's like it's not it's not that we need more fine. We need less. We need less. WWE brand fun. The w brand fund has not been getting over, and it's been frustrating people, and it's like so you've got you've got this. And then you got this. Do you really? We had an interesting conversation about the rustlers in money in the Bank of eight who won money on the bike on verse much lower show yesterday. But it's like you really. But this is like. You really do. You really have Robert rude destroys career. Why it's one thing. Our truth is entertaining and Carmelo is entertaining and getting giving them something to do as comedic relief as okay? You don't want twenty minutes of it and having twenty people doing it. And how long you know, I don't know. I've never seen in w w w any of the wrestling promotion. Because you look at you look at Braun strowman with us to Sammy's, aim I have never seen wrestlers do so much running in my life. Yeah. Am I talking about like, oh my God? Magnum TA is gonna kick my asset Tully Blanchard heads for the heads for the exit. It's just see these recipes running up and down, like that's not what you need. That's not what it's just you already are having a hard time getting getting people to buy into the story that you're that you're playing with and just go along for the ride. This is like this ride isn't even this ride is just a cheap ride, and you can laugh at how stupid it is like you can. But that's not going to that's not going to sustain anything. Maybe, maybe there's a debt and you know, if you look through the history of wrestling this type of this type of deal doesn't last, I think of the original glow doing things like this, and, you know, just kind of having that, cheesy Volker one, dimensional comedy. And it's like yet, people just thinking you can get, you can get. Comedy with better performers easily somewhere else. And I think this is I think there's going to be individual people who go, that that was cool, and that was fun. And there are people who watch wrestling for the Esso stupid, you got to laugh and they're idiots and, and all that. And but there's not enough up. Yeah. And don't stick around long enough while the Wade Keller progressing post shows and Wade Keller progressing podcasts and PW torch daily casts are all ad-supported free programs. You can make the ads and plugs, go away and went to be great to listen to the straight through without ads and plug. 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Is there a question Mark in this? If HOGAN Vern guy, pulls the trigger and HOGAN and back, some fully as champion, it does not try to cut into Hogan's merch money, McMahon possibly doesn't get his golden goose, it starts the rise of his empire stone, cold, Steve Austin was one of a bunch w mid card cast-offs. He also triple h mankind goal dust, who's doing mechanic work with Michaels on how shows but on TV was mired in a big curfew to salvio Vega upon asking for a character changes presented with such brilliance is chilly. Mc freeze. Fang MC frost, and ice stagger for McMahon's higher brain. Trust is break. Break wasn't. Even being wasn't even to be until the follow from the curtain call without king of the ring, Ninety-six disaster. Stay mired in the mid card and not break out in time to revolutionize the business. The rock was crammed down. Everyone's throats says a bland smiling baby face which fans rejected a repackaging during rehab for me and drink Apor to the rock, and he cultivated, the character from there, if he doesn't get hurt, does he continually force force-fed at the audience until these beyond repair. John up this last one blend, beanfeast character. That was doing jobs to Billy Kidman and on the verge being released. So the soul the tail goes in a save by being overheard. Freestyle rapping that doesn't happen, you potentially lose the pack horse. He rides for a decade, of course with that doesn't even bring up w w who could fathom that company? He beat into the ground for over two years that beat him into the ground for two years. When employed implode upon itself fathom, the hell out of that, but yeah, in such a did is competition destroy themselves as much as he turned the tide on them. Obviously, you don't become a billionaire by just being lucky. He's very shrewd and savvy. But if you take any above listed cogs in the machine and shift them around, who knows how the story plays out. I am interested in your take. Yeah. I mean baby. But it is it is how that works. And he was able to, you know, he was able to, to stick with some business some wrestling business tropes, that, that nobody else could stick with which was have a top saw and feet that top stock, and rod that cop star as far as you can. That's one of the things, but another part of this if it. Yeah. All those things. What if all that stuff? If a piano at fallen out of a office building, onto Vincent man and killed him in nineteen Eighty-one with the world be different. Yeah, it probably would and. Vern ganja had dot had as many concussions with the world has been different. We have maybe and maybe not, but one of the things that's missed in this man. This man is the best promoter accessible for motoring a history professional wrestling. And you can. And that's a business. That's a business argument. And it's a pretty strong. But one of the and that business part is what's missed a lot of times the one who expanded his business and kept and stayed out of shady really shady, business, practices, or spending more money than he had for too long or. Just setting himself up for being publicly traded, nobody else got even close to that. And a lot of competition, they faced in the beginning fell apart because their business practices. These were these were Carney's and conman, who lived if you ever saw the producers, have you saw the Broadway play or the newer version of the moody, or the one, I liked was, which was the first movie of selling. A selling money. I mean a selling one hundred seventy five percent of ownership in to raise capital in your business. Well, that, that played out for real was some of these guys and the Crockett's the major competition in the eighties. Not knowing you know, not having the accounting ability to know that they were hemorrhaging money hand over fist, while they were spending while they're having this free spending, and then all of a sudden, the Bill came to. WW is like when when business gone down they've been ruthless about cutting it this when they when it's time to expand they've been strong in their business practices. And so I think that's part of it too, is the answer is somewhere in between is Vincent man lucky. He, he was he was there and ready enough when, when two of the most charismatic top talents at any company ever had. Steve Austin, and rock and no rock with someone that he looked at from the beginning, and thought could do this, Steve Austin with someone he did not at all. But but he had a together enough where he was able to where he was able to see that they had it or you're forced into seeing that they had it, and then he went with it. He was able to see in the eighties that technology was changing if someone was going to someone was either going to be. The national wrestling promoter a wrestling's just gonna fall apart. And he was he was ready for that fight and fighting that fight before anybody else was before and one that fight because of that. And it's like he picked the right guy to do it with hulk HOGAN, I don't believe that I think ho ho coat and what a gone with visit man over ganja, it, Vern Ghana given him, the bell if we're gone had given them ownership in the company, forgotten been able to figure out a way to get married off to his daughter. I think he which is something that he tried to do. I think that he would have ethics still ended up with Vincent man. That was just a better business partnership. And, and, and burn was not very was going to try to hold the mid west. That's all he was going to do. And so that here Greg ganja talk about they were going to do this, and do that, as far as national expansion, but they really weren't there, even Ron fuller like had a deal from national expansion, and only Anderson tried it in certain ways. But McMahon was the one is the business side. And the one is you look at is if Linda McMahon, call up just man, and say, don't hire, Dr George the Horrigan who ended up in jail for steroid distribution. That's the one where and they had hired him and put him in house. Instead of being the doctor foot State Athletic Commission in Pennsylvania. They put him in house in the WWF. That's the one where the world would have changed, and they were lucky. There was a lot of luck in that one, because it came right down to the wire, and but, but. I'm like, I'm not a big fan of what if what if stuff because everybody is like that. Yeah. Is it man was part the lucky sperm club? I mean, he got he, he, he grew the business that he, he bought from his father, he grew it like crazy, but he had one of the best platforms to, to work off of, of anybody because of that, and it was because of where it was born and they're, they're billionaires, who. Deserving. It is not really the point. It's just can you? Can you gather that much? You know, I mean that's really what it is. It's like can't you find a way to gather that much money and we've all seen billionaires, who, who seemed to be dumb as rocks, at least in the high profile businesses they're involved in, but they're still billionaire? So I just look at that and I go it doesn't matter what matters right now is, there's a seventy three year old man who's listening to the last person that talks to him on everything. And it's not getting as not moving away from the, the side of business that he needs to move away from. And having a new generation come in the way his own father did for him. And part of that was is five dollars doing that for him before he got sick with cancer and just man, isn't isn't getting out of the way announce a major problem, and it's, it's a major problem, the creative side with this birth. Thank you. Okay. Okay. How can people follow you on Twitter? At Mitchell PW torch on Twitter and had some fun this week with Twitter. And that's so fun with a lot of stuff because sometimes. Sometimes anyway, I'm not exact- I stay ahead of the curve, and not on the car so that can that can trap people crazy. But that's kind of how I think that's a big part of reputation built over the years. And so, and then when, when the curve catches up look back and go who who was there. And so, and then also, I'm. Pretty good with aunt, or so. That's people have fun with that. That, that's a great place. That's a great place to Fahmi. Excellent. Thank you, Bruce. 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The topic brought up the most odd podcast that I posted for the past. Ten plus years is. When will? Turn Heel and it was mostly John Cena but for. A good portion of the time it was also Roman reigns and it appears that we're finally getting one of those wishes. Roman reigns showing up last Friday in a shocker, the camera pan to camera pans. With Adam Pearce standing over Roman reigns sitting down in the back and then he says Paul Heyman's catchphrase and then the camera pans over and they're tainted who says Romans catchphrase and a a more he'll ish Roman reigns for variety of reasons including opportunistically coming up mid match to to capture the universal title and Paul Heyman Looking Quite satisfied I'm intrigued we don't know what the next chapter is going to be like on Friday on smackdown. With Another another aspect of the story brock listener not being under contract to WB reportedly at this point. Heyman needed something to do, and this is this surprised you my number one thing for him to do what was your thought on a Friday night and how optimistic are you that? This could be a spark for Roman reigns and WWe to cast him in Framingham. differently. I liked it a lot. Just because it's a, he's a character with an edge and what was going on seem so cartoonish when he when he showed up at the end of Summer Slam and took out stroman and. The fiend and you could catch him trash talk in the fiend and saying all yours dummy under a stupid mask if it was just so refreshing to hear him say something you know what I mean edgier that fighter might say you know before you have see fighter anyone. We just any kind of normalcy is nice. When you look for you know an an edge to a character instead of you know the character character of a baby face which he played. Yo. Largely throughout most of his career and. I really enjoyed that aspect of it when he shut up. You know the reveal on Friday with Heyman was a was a really cool reveal. So it's nice to see do some interesting things with this character and it's just such a contrast to the you know the cartoonish stuff that the fiend in. Wide had been doing. It really makes him stand out to like just ejecting him into that environment with those two. I WanNa talk about rains. More. But so much of the focus I think is on Roman reigns naturally. But this also gives us a chance for one of the. all-time great managers, a top five, all time manager and. Just huge personality with a lot of cachet over the years from W. and the phrase a Paul. Heyman Guy is part of the lexicon. He represented brock listener in one huge main event after another for the last handful of years and now he's got a new got to play off of I felt and I'm curious what you think I thought Paul. Heyman was kind of I won't say going through the motions because I don't think he just goes through the motions but I think you had less material to work with an it was getting tougher and tougher for him to be as compelling on the microphone talking about Broccoli felt a little broken record and I just wasn't as interested in. Part because I think some baggage with listener being. So part time. So infrequent and his matches for a big part of the fan base where not matches you looked forward to because it's going to be this great back and forth battle whether it's adobe style main event or a new Japan style main event or whatever you. You're getting a brock listener match in the question was not how good would it be but just is going to win or lose and how and how quickly and what kind of story where they tell but it took away that that. It's like watching a trailer for a movie instead of a movie with Brock, you cut right to the chase, but you didn't get that long drawn out drama in the vast majority of recent matches. So I just felt like Heyman was exhibiting signs of running out of stuff for being a little bored rains gives. Heyman fertile ground to grow his character to. Portray himself differently I mean he's managed so many people over the decades and and he has so much more than I. Think he can contribute on the Mike than he did with with lessner. How just on the Haymond aspect the things you've watched him pretty much is entire career. Are you excited about that or or do you think? I'm overstating. Hayman's the excitement of people should have to see a new chapter in Hayman's on Air Persona. Though I think you should be excited because he had done the brock leshner act for so long and like you said, there's only you know brock listeners still use drawn paired with Heyman still did a lot for the company, but it wasn't fresh and there's only so much. You can do doing the same. You know what I mean saying the same things about brock over and over furniture different for different opponent It just seemed like it was harder and harder for Heyman to get inspired to cut one of those great promos. It was feeling a little stale with rains. There's so many possibilities because someone knew it gives him fresh tons of fresh material. It also allows him to talk for rains at times in the. I think that will help. Roman a little bit instead of people always hearing from him to be hearing from Heyman and it's just a I think it's a really good pairing for the two of them. Afresh Direction. One of the things a shot I'll jump in one things about rains. Is that when he was in the shield, he played off of other people and when he was just Roman reigns, he rarely did and Roman reigns Solo. Reciting lines that aren't really his voice just wasn't ever good. It was like sometimes it was fair and sometimes it was bad but I I don't know. I mean maybe there's one good promo that rate's cut as a singles baby face I'm. I was perpetual. More bad than good I guess is a good way to put it. Well, I would say way more bad than good. Yeah. his peak was. On rare occasion fair you know compared to if you're a top eighty face I, mean one of the big things that defines a baby faces they're go home promos that that final get. Excited and just it's just not his thing. He's got a lot of things that wasn't one of them. Now, we can play off a heyman and things. Romans. Good at is playing off of body language and facial crushing. Wise with someone else's saying and I think saying a few words but having Paul Heyman, there to pick up if if rains loses his train of thought because that's not really issue but. When they kind of plot out the promos there can be this dynamic where rains picks spots and enhance things back over to heyman and I hope they do that. I don't I didn't like silent brock like liked one brock talked I get why they did it the way it but I and underrated Promo. Rains I think can be really good and people are GonNa look up you'll promo work in an t and see that there's something in his DNA that fits. He'll wrestling character and I have been touting that for years as a way for him to blossom and become more valuable to wwe I. Think. Rains playing off of Hayman is an opportunity for reigns to become a better promo I. Hope they don't have rains go silent in Heyman just does all the talking will Roman just stands there although I think Roman will stand there just like listener and be entertaining with his body language I think you'll. You'll have half an eye on him to. Yet they'll. They'll split up duties in and play off each other and I think that'll really. Give, both got both of them have fresh dimension. Especially, with rains playing the character, people have largely wanted for so long and doing it with you know the top heel manager and the company. Moving on from listener to him and I think the rains has really good facial expressions. I think this'll give him a chance to showcase them when Paul Heyman stone some of the talking against whomever he's match you know the baby faces matched up against. So it's a great opportunity for him to really grow as a character It's just it's it. It definitely will help them bro I just You know just the environment they're in it's just It'd be nice to have a natural audience instead of A thunderdome studying. Searching for more great pro wrestling talk and join me Jason Powell hosting three weekly pro wrestling Boone podcast each week he'll the latest news and analysis for me and my team at pro wrestling dot net along with other wrestling media members, plus the pro wrestling boom podcast features long-form interviews with notable names in the wrestling industry subscribe and I tuned stitcher downcast, and all your favorite secondary apps or visit us directly at PW BOOM DOT com. Once again, that's P W dot. com. Does the list of possibilities for rain as a he'll is pretty intriguing who jumps out to you as the most. The the match up or the wrestler as a baby face assuming range goes full-fledged teal and I mean, you know there's still a chance they try to go twitter with them or do something different I'm for him just going all in just go all in. He'll so assuming he does what top babyface match with a superstar shakeup on the horizon. Interests you the most both fulltime remembers and then kind of after you do that anybody who's not full-time roster. Because I mean rock and go over come to mind but anyone else. Well the full time I really WANNA see drew McIntyre because jus been really good on the Mike in the empty arena error and and he's always been good. I'd really like to see those two matched up A. Trying to think of you know, of course, matchup with brock, but the fresh twist would be cool as well. I. with you know putting the face and rains doing the. Weight that up it would just be great. You know just the that's summer slam wrestlemainia type of main event I think. And of course if you could. Would love to see it again. Seen you know the guy who turn risk the guy who never you know if it is possible. We're seeing being parked up short is but Yeah. Know that's another wrestlemainia summer slam caliber main event but Yeah I think. It'd be out of all the guys. I'd be excited to see him against McIntyre. I'm trying to think of the top You know just if just you know just Macintosh excites me most but a love to see him against guys like Ed Edge would be fun. When he's healthy again, and of course. You know. Or at some point to he's got so much fresh material that they You know as characters, you know twisted turn. There's so many possibilities but right now, my my top picture you know the listener matchup for big show and and McIntyre in the short term once they do the shakeup. Yeah I I also want to see a make stars I mean that's part of you know what happened. Matt Riddle and Keith Lee or to new call ups from exte- keithly, getting a mega push out of the gate and Matt Riddle. They made a pretty big deal out of acquiring him and then. You know there's a little bit of a setback with some of the personal stuff that came out which they Ali drew attention to. Friday. which wasn't just odd and counterproductive, but I think tasteless to incorporate. A essentially a rape allegation into a he'll parole storyline. So I don't know who thought. That was a decent idea on on just about every level. That said riddle and Lee are to baby face acts that I think just in terms of. In the you know the type of match they can have will be really fun and And then two of promos. Steal. Not Sure I'm still not sure how he's going to work out or how Vince McMahon's going to receive. The way the cadence of his promos and the way that he talks his promos and rub some people. The wrong way I think it's distinctive shouldn't be thrown out immediately but you know he might want a little more rain in in in in changing that I think a heyman rains back and forth could do it but riddle you know Heyman Playoff Matt riddle in Roman rates making facial reactions. If they have a contract signing or some sort of back and forth a play off a riddle is potential gold and so those to jump out to me, and there are some lower level lower level battles that can happen to I shouldn't say lower level I say, biggie. But biggest Friday, the third guy that I would think would be really good if they build him up and it seems like there's No possibility based on his trajectory and how they're pushing him. So is there maybe the top three but as a baby face, there's other matchups that they can do off pay per views if if rains has a full schedule in, does every pay per view There's other possibilities out there too and. Jeff Hardy or Danny Brian is a baby face against. He'll Roman reigns which wanted for a long time if Brian comes back and is able to do that. So I just think there's a couple years worth of matchups already Sean Yeah. I agree you know I'm interested to see against Matt Riddle I don't have a ton of face in them following through on keithly just because of the history of. Pushing. You know African American wrestlers. Vince is already done with lease. act. Just you know having to wear a shirt in the ring already doesn't Give me a lot of hope but I'm hoping I'm wrong. You know it just I just see how all the. The African American wrestlers pushed on Raleigh the in it. It's just it'd be a big break from the mold for lead to be able to break out. and. I hope he does and. What is it keithly talk talk about his background and what you thought of him pre annexed tea, and where he is now compared to what he was projected, what his image was and why people projected for him if he ever did get side to be. Well I thought it was tremendous on the. In Ring of. Ring of honor, and then during a little time and evolve before getting signed and. I just didn't think he was going to. Get to the roster's quick just because of his luck in the way he talks but I thought he had a very high in ring ceiling because he so exciting to watch because of his size and strength and he's got this. This natural charisma if they could find tune it, you know what I mean has promos and just the way the confidence he carries himself with at the they fine-tuned as promos and. He just he really does come across like this. You know this smooth-talking guy when he gets in the ring, backs it up, you know and Definitely A. Gold to be found there with Lee I just I'm not sure if. If fence will see it that way you know. Just with this presentation right now just. Defend Vince McMahon here a little bit last week they weren't prepared. But I think what we saw since then on Sunday and Monday is five. Having I think it's rink errors. World's better this week than last week. And you know. Keith elite? Being in in. In in wrestling trunks and a tight shirt, I don't think that should be a sign that Vince doesn't believe in him. In fact, I think it's a sign that you know you can agree or disagree with the decision but Vince thinks he has more potential if if he's got some covering I, mean the same decision was made with Dominic with full body to it's not. So? I just think he wants him in better shape than is you what I mean but he might need to be to you. Know I mean. You got to watching him on the indies. What he can do in the way he can move I had zero problems with this. You know as like watching and NFL Lineman you know what? I mean Kevon havoc in the right that's the thing. But my point is he's not he might need to be in better shape because he's not getting the work he got once you know with a pandemic he's not working as frequently and it doesn't I mean if you're not out there hustling on the. Live crowd pops or you're not working how shows in annexed t or wherever you can pull out a ring shape you can lose your timing and so you know there's going to be scrutiny on and so you know it's just there there are millions and millions and millions of dollars on the line for his personal bank account to make sure that he the light Scott he's going to be scrutinized because in part because of how carries himself he cares himself like he's a star in that. It's really not fair how you know what I may just have picked apart. He's been you know what I mean since debuted and I'm pointing it all out, but it is important to point out because it can just it can turn. So quickly in the wwe if Vince doesn't like a certain thing about you know what I mean it's it's. I mean. He should be given time to grow, but he's been put in this position. So that's that scrutiny is there and you just have to wonder you're hoping yes, this is it. You know what I mean yes. He's got to get a little better shape so he's wearing. He looked better with the covering and so forth. But I just know based on history I. Just don't I temper my hopes with wwe pushing him the correct way. The. So far it's been awesome. You know more than more. You know what? I mean way better than I thought, you know in terms of just debut doing and. and. Then getting the win on pay per view. So I mean he's off to a great start. He's he's got room to build I. Just I don't want him to get to the point where they Where he kind of starts to dwindle down towards that mid card, you know what I mean and they kinda say. The kind of forget him as a top tier player. I just don't want to get to that point I. Don't think it will I'm not worried just yet but I just I feel like they could lose interest quick. You know what I mean if he's right Oh no, no question. I would say that we're off to an encouraging start. Yeah. Because this is a big push out of the gate over Randy Orton. There's a Lotta guys on the roster who would love to have been given that opportunity. To have. To Get A. A Win over Randy Orton and so you know last week it was basically a no contest. Yes he was vulnerable but drew running out there was a a technically you're finished but it wasn't a a win or a loss for for ordinary. It was just interference matches called due to that and since then. He's been you know I. I think what they've done with him since then shows that they're protecting him. So I just yeah I'm I'm optimistic of Bows Keith Lee, but I also want I'm also raising some warning flags that aren't necessarily defending all of them but realistically, sometimes you have to be aware of how others are going to. Judge you and this applies to everybody. The same conversation was had with Kevin owns when he when he got signed St and then when he got called up to the main roster and on and on Daniel Bryan. You have to be realistic about the fact that this man we're talking about, how do you adjust a little bit heck Paul Heyman telling Ken Anderson you know make yourself Kennedy because that'll vince a like that I mean there's all these games you play to try to get a push. Yeah and I like how they're protecting. You know I mean I like how they protected him. He you know he lost. You know he he he he affect got the you know the winning move even though he didn't win last night on raw to advance to you know hitting his. His finish on rollins and then. Art and capitalizing the cover. So that was nice. Touch it just Just the WWE system of book and Kinda just drives me crazy because the there's the stops and starts. And that's kind of thing that worries me a little bit is because he got the win on Orton on the pay per view and then or gets the title shot at the next pay per view. That's the that's the type of thing. That's kind of you know what I mean how momentum can naturally build just. I'm hoping whatever's next for Lee continues that momentum because it's It's like you know it's it's just a tremendous step forward and then this little step back and. You know what I mean. Just it's not the way if things were playing, you know because they do things. So last minute you know what I mean. You're wondering if there ever taking a look at the big picture. Vince makes so many last minute changes and. Lee Coming into the picture and getting this big push. But we're GONNA. Put Back Against Your Macintyre. So essentially what they WANNA do with league, it's in the way of that a little. So. How do you keep? Keep. Keep Keith lease momentum going maybe maybe a roster switch when there's a shakeup or some, there's some new talents which is or legal after bobby lashing the US title I mean lashing got a big win over Apollo crews and I don't I there's a danger pushing Lee right to the world title situation especially, when drew McIntyre's your champion so to me have an excuse for ordinary Morton, earn his way back to another title shot. He said he wanted to face split off into another feud. Give him he was taught Iran. Or personal feud but then ultimately, he ends up being protected and built up to face Roman reigns I think that was. Just. That scene if he drops down to Lashley, he's one step away from hanging out with all those guys back. You know what I mean who else who else can you face if not Lashley? Don't. Work just you know I. It will work I just. I just always like. Man. How did they do this and keep it keep it right you know and I think if they do it. Great. 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Is that what you see is the best place for him is it a variety or is leave off against opponents like like Dole's Ziegler where a guy can just bump like crazy and create movement forum and in like Seth in Orange? Catch him. When he's doing big flying moves as opposed to why Guess Braun could catch him if he sprint boarding at him too. But so talk about Lee's background of good matches and. When you say that you know working against big men he was working against big men who worked like him you know what mean? Yeah. So it's really hard to say you know if he wrestles Braun Strowman what's going? You know what I mean Like Chris Heroes, pretty big. I saw them wrestle live but you know they did that high you know they did a lot of not high flying but strong style fast paced type of not brawling but. A fast pace. Imagine. Donovan Digest when he was on the indies. Matched up with him a lot. Yeah. And Jack or how do I Go back. Now. I can never pronounce. Jakovic you know there's another Guy Lee worked up bigger man that was really great chemistry with so I think it's going to be interesting to see you know what I mean see how they match up. Yeah he matches up with with with brawlers and big guys like I think he'll be fine because he's got that strength where you know he can go with them and and be credible even though doesn't have the height he's is still a big dude. So I think I, think he will. I think he can adapt to that style, but I wanna see because either I really haven't gotten this Y-. I haven't gotten a chance to see him work stroman or a y type of wrestler very often but I think you'll be successful because. I just think he's very adaptable as. What are what are few in the matches that people can hunt down and watch of Lee pre annexed if they're with them now that he's in a hyper higher profile position getting. I can't remember the year but the right before he got signed I think it's twenty seven. I want to say. Break before. No, it was right before digest that signed they had. Credible of Los Angeles match if you. Sign, up for the high spots wrestling network. You can watch that it was ready people call it the match of the year a couple of years ago. You know you've seen them paired off die. Jakovic. Impaired often xt but they had really good chemistry and they took their feud to evolve. But. PWG, it went to a whole new level. They just had this incredible match and they were just really like good rivals. You know from our wage in the indies and so forth and you know of all just search Keith Lee Search Bowl and search last couple of years and find that match. On the first or second appreciate on the second night of one of the last two or three. His stuff and beyond wrestling was excellent an independent wrestling dot. TV. Beyond Again. I, believe him Die Jack. Had some really matches and beyond wrestling. Chris hero too. So look I would look those up. Stuff, and beyond wrestling well, he really. Made. A name when he was. Good he was one of those frustrated ring of honor restless, not getting a good push you. Feeling kind of undervalued in ring of honor. Had One of those contracts that we're gonNA gave it a time where you could work the indies. He really got buzzed like. This. Guy And beyond wrestling is incredible compared to what he's doing and ring of honor and that's where he really. So if you want to go and look at this library of work and beyond wrestling. Is, only nine, nine, ninety, nine, a month independent wrestling TV has that library and you could just. Go back. Twenty seventeen or so twenty sixteen twenty seventeen just check out his stuff on Chris Chris Hero. Die Jakovic who else jumps out as many as people should look for opponents. B., A. M. From Annex. t they had some. Really Good Inter gender matches. As. Well. Yeah. So. So good at strong style and she had these credible matches with him and beyond wrestling. And those are the other ones that get a lot of the. She was his other opponent that got a lot of buzz with him. And it was kind of fun to see them work together because she's always had the REP is. One of the hardest hitting female wrestlers on the indies and. That was a treat to watch before. Both of them kind of went up not too far apart. To annex t yeah Yup aren't. So let's pause introduce ourselves. This is the Wade Keller Wrestling podcast day Tuesday flagship edition for September First Two thousand twenty on Thursday the plan is to do an a. w. all out preview. So we moved the usual Thursday flagship as we do. Sometimes, Tuesday was so much to talk about coming out of the weekend with not only the Roman reigns turn and universal title win but also happenings in new Japan and. A variety of things which which will get to his progresses here it's a good time to have an earlier flagship and so Shaun. Rankin is the other voice you hear I'm with Keller host, the program, of course, Sean radical, a longtime pro wrestling, torch contributor, and columnist, and podcast host. Shot Welcome to the coast here it's been a while. You Nice to be here. Good. Have you sean tell people about how you got your start with with POW torch and a little bit about where your focus is these days. I started covering. In two, thousand, three and. Then I transitioned into covering ring of honor for several years and I still do a covering vibe right now I'm. Primarily over the last six or seven years of transition to pretty much focusing you know while not. By covered the should say covered the indies heavily ring honor for many years and the last six seven years. I've transitioned to cause new Japan has risen popularity. Specializing, in new Japan coverage while still covering the other. Promotion, Indy Promotions, and. Right, now, the focus is on the new Japan A. New Japan coverage on pay per views, major shows, and things like that. Very good and then also from podcast standpoint tell people what. But what you do on the side of things. I do they're radical worldwide is my main PODCAST A. With a rich fan where we talk a big indie shows new Japan news bring of Honor News. But usually, there's a lot of I. Have a couple of new do the new Japan pay per view tables with a rotating cast of Co host, and they also working on finishing up my latest new Japan rewind project. We have a new Japan rewind podcast looking back at some of the best of new Japan from last decade, and right now we're in the midst of g one climax twenty-three from. Two thousand thirteen and we're heading to lectures night five. So my hope is to try to finish up the last. Few nights of that before The g one climax starts Viet VIP members September eighteenth I think is the first show. Tell people, they can follow you on twitter. Oh. Yes. Sa Underscore torch. On twitter and if you know I'm. Happy to ask uptight happy to answer any questions you have or anything and Yeah. Just like to. Talk. Wrestling on twitter at help people. People are asking me where to start with new Japan her. Independent. Big Independence like game changer wrestling and beyond wrestling. So if you have any questions, feel free to ask me and follow me SA underscore torch. Excellent, sounds good. got a lot more to talk about and we'll get to that now. In. Two thousand twelve and exte- transitioned into the developmental system and ultimately the brand you see today on the torch VIP podcast INEX- t eight years back. We'll be taking a weekly look at this page in. Early history. Join Kelly Wells and me Tom style from WT. Talks. Every. Saturday, as we go eight years back to the day to track annexed is rising talents and why they did or didn't work out exclusively for PW TORTURE VIP members. All right. Let's let's switch topics here. Well sort of because we got an email. Asking about brock lesser and how he fits into this Brian. H says with the news that brock listener is now a free agent in assuming he does not return to WWe, which is a better fit for him eighty W or new Japan and why Boy what a statement it would be shot if Tony Kahn anti-dope. got. Brock lesser I mean that would send Chris Jericho Jon Moxley. Cody. Okay you know. Then there's Brodie Lee Lance Archer for new Japan. There's been some good signings. FDR bought brock listener is next level. It's at the level of Jericho when Moxley. And because of the shock value of it, probably a little higher because he just. So I. Be the biggest signing ever. Yeah. I mean I would say Moxley Jericho. It would be an interesting conversation to have because if you could only have two out of the three. I think Brockton everyone's to. But if you only have one of the three, I should say every once most people's. You only one of the three bet some people put Jericho Moxie, because they'd be available every week. They'd be full-time. They'd be more easier to work with all that stuff. Jericho's younger but he's probably in it. He's probably more invested in it. So that's an interesting conversation but nevertheless, just the. Fact that a new company starting the empty pockets assign Moxie Jericho was big news but not a shock leshner would. Create shockwaves. So he would have a tremendous impact there, but do you think brock at this point would want to go to new Japan and work the New Japan style at this stage of his life would. I think be great at it. But he might want to dictate the style. So talk about the pros and cons of both in where you think it's better fit for all things considered. I. Think aws better fit because he could do a one off there and. Not have to live up to a certain expectation of a main event match. I don't think I'll think new Japan would WANNA do a five ten minute match on one of their big shows. Crutches get held a long time and I think he you know he left without defending the title. When he used so I'm not sure how keen they are on him these days. But I could find out. The problem. The problem with a W is I don't think boxes interested in having a rematch. Road and Jericho's just not a good fit. I mean they could have a fun comedy style match or something, but you know at this stage. Would he be? You know what I mean? Yeah. Would you Guys. Syndrome of guys siding with the number two company for big money and then just as Booker T. sort of admitted country clubbing it. For the. Not to say. You know say ws a country club but No I'm saying that's how that's how big name wrestlers treat it. Treated TNA lessner would have the clout to show up and driving everybody nuts. The other problem is if it's not those two who I mean, a cody in listener would be huge Awa context than it to me that'd be the match you do but otherwise you know you're looking at a Brodie Lee Lance Archer, Brian Cage, and the next level. There's an their number, their second tier guys in Awa compared to cody Moxley and Jericho Kenya Omega. would be right there with cody may be higher than cody actually but I don't say him first because he just hasn't gotten that kind of a push w yet where I think the AWA audience that they've gained in in the last year would look at that is a dream match because Kenny's just been a background guy I mean, let let's do works best with guys. You can throw you know what I mean and. And I just. I it's not a roster. Wise. It's just not a great matchup given where they're aws biggest talent or situated on the roster currently. It's the more you talk about the more. You know it makes sense to me that the only place he goes is. WWe If he wrestles at all in terms of. Fit between the WANNA I mean new Japan I just. You know the same thing stylistically. Amin, that'd be a huge departure for what they do have someone come in and you know what? I mean have a five ten minute match it just be. Shocking you know a main event five, ten minute match, but just be yeah. Yeah the shock you know I'm trying to think of. stylistically Okada. That would be really interesting. That would. The that that would pique my interest rattle off. Okay. Here's my w top five be Kenny. Cody. Archer. Brodie. Lee. and. If I got I'm I'm trying to forgetting somebody. Yeah, they just like I'm hesitant to say that. The WRESTLEMAINIA. Heat there you know. I just don't think box this Moxley sandbox into have leser start dictating to him I just think it would blow up behind the scenes unless unless they had unless they were able to talk out but I I just don't I interview Moxie about it and I talked to him about listener and there's I think there's a level resentment there were moxie would there'd be chips on both shoulders and work. So my top five sort of I mean I'd say Moxie number five, but as with all those this gigantic asterisk. Personality can work out WHO's your new Japan top five. Okada. The Scene Work Okada. stylistically, I'm trying to think after Okada. their upper echelon of wrestlers Bucci would be number two of course that that'd be something. I think just because of the way Bucci could bump form. Jay White number three I don't like the size, Matt, the way white works as a heel you know what? I mean he just. Left, there wouldn't do the you know the he'll manager up distracting him till you know what I mean to allow. White to get the upper hand stylistically the way by I'd still put them number three I think I don't know. I. To think You know. Probably. Yeah. I. Guess You know that would be three. Evil would probably be well. Now I put night three he could bump forum to. That work but stylistically, it's not A. I'll probably say that caveat every time. So I'm going to stop repeating. Yeah Well. WHO's The star? Who Star panic could get elevated I j white could get elevated. With petted match with Brock would they would boo boo, she be a good fit for doing that. But he doesn't need to be elevated You know yeah that's a good point. That's probably not the right category he bit for Lessner well, that said I mean he doesn't need to be elevated but one a match against lessner take him into. The stratosphere that it just is because I don't think he's at the top top top tier of new Japan. Legends. In a few victory over listener. It would help them in that would add to that resume in that way. Be of his longevity is going I mean his just you know him him on his journey is going to do that over time but. A match with less no, it certainly accelerate that and I liked that match up. Just, because of how athletic years is and how hard hitting is, and you know what you know especially, if less nervous, you know sells his striking. It would really make for it like not necessarily that it just put some dents in his armor you know as the match goes on. The body language facial expressions I can imagine the prematch, the post-match Presser, the prematch hype I you know I think there's storyteller. Tremendous match It's hard for me to think that it might be. It's hard to it's almost too hard to. Definitively say between Okada in a Boucher you know. I think Bush might be the better match. But it's hard to say that with what? Okada pulls out Regularly by just. Yeah on so. I think we got our kind of NATO three, white four and. Evil would really benefit from working with I think as A. You know. I think just the style you know if you cut it off at five. Evils a much stronger five than the Moxley on the A W side. So I think that'd be A. You know if they were able to use him regularly for long term would. As they are you know a few good fits? Even evils down there because of Star Power Just stylistically wise I don't know just seeing him. Is just. A monster of a man too you know. Evils brawler, but he's not you know what I mean just does not have that SA- visually it's it would be an interesting. You know with the fans by I think probably the new Japan fans would But it'd be very interesting matchup. Just because listeners just such a big man. Yes. Compared to evil. I'm rich fan host of the deep dive with Richmond, a weekly part of the torch daily cast lineup of shirts search. POW Torch, an apple podcast or your podcast axes subscribe every Saturday at six PM Eastern I. Dive in with guess for an hour and anything in the world of wrestling or wrestling related want to hear about the influence of historical figures like big kettering. We got you WanNa hear about how the marine movies got. We are on it. No topic is too big or too small. So if you want to dive in with call in live or listen on demand and see the entire pw torch daily cast schedule at W. Towards daily Casper Dot Com. Let's. Let's actually talk some more new Japan just did related brock listener. Let's talk about. The G one and coming up wrestle kingdom. Ramifications you a cover story in last week's forcing torch newsletter. The headline was who's on the shortlist to headline wrestle kingdom. And you've got your top four names we just talked about and coming on the heels of this weekend's title change. The summer. Struggle. The twenty nine show where we had the titles change. We just talked about a minute ago but Naito, winning both belts, your thoughts on does that change at all any of anything you wrote in your column last week and then talk about who the G One Winners off you think are who are how deep is a list of potential g one winners? Are you changing any any of your predictions based on what happened this weekend? I mean what I, what I thought was going to happen sometimes, Gedo? Doesn't follow the path, but the most sense usually does. So I was kind of. You know seventy five percents sure. It was going to be a title switch Yeah Yeah. That's about confidence you can be with new Japan you know usually they follow the formula but you know yeah. That's what I thought was going to happen. It does going to overcome bullet club and he dead. He got help from his l.. J. Stablemates, which was nice for a change instead of him just getting. One bullet club member after another just liberally interfering in the match with though. With the help. I know that's it's far the storyline that they don't help each other out unless they naito never want help. But so it has to be his stablemates feeling compelled to come help him out. So. It did get to that level last Sunday in NATO one and it just cement it. What I thought was GONNA APP. Daily SURPRI I thought. Maybe Jay would show up in some form to. To launch an angle to head into g one but. He never showed up on. Sunday. Those. The only thing that didn't happen I thought it was going to happen perhaps. because. I had heard restrictions were easing but I still expect him back for. It'd be really surprised. He wasn't back for. Jiwan. But Yeah I just it cements. I, think. NATO's going to have a deep run the turn G. One tournament starting in a few weeks. You know and they'll be able to with shorter timelines unusual. Get through the G. One, you know NATO. Will defend against a couple of people that I have to see. You know we haven't seen the blocks yet. So we don't know who is a candidate for him to defend his title against before Wrestle Kingdom but a, I think he's a strong candidate. Do he could win it. You know. I don't think that'll happen but it's shallow list of candidates I think unless something changes in the booking leading into one which. which would surprise me. I just think it's IT'S A it's A. Or Jay White challenging. For the title. I was not thrilled with Okada's Pro Wrestling Concept Debut which basically boiled down to a raw comedy match with Yano winning for the first. Time. Yeah. And I was like really this. It's like everyone's worst fear multiplied by nothing against Yano but the very first champion. Winning with a low blow and to give a little background on that in how that came out. All right. So they teased in promos that Okada's attention ahead of the pay per view and the head of a press conference Once they relaunch, they tease that Okada's attention wasn't on the ice. WG heavyweight titles he had other intentions. So then they did a press conference where Okada announced that he was involved in the formation of a new championship and they're going to hold the tournament at the summer struggle tore leading into the pay per view last weekend and. Basically the fans the wrestlers in every match in the tournament for the. King of pro wrestling got to put up stipulations and the fans voted on them and then they wrestled the qualifying matches. No Kata ask for one on three match against a bullet club at and so forth each match and because. Finals were a four way that was the stipulation because it was already an unusual new Japan match. So they said this last match already has a stipulation. So there's not gonNA be fan voting. Now, going forward the provision, the winner is a provisional champion. Yano is not the. is a provisional champion right now. I'm assuming this this keynote twenty twenty we'll be defended until wrestle kingdom, and then they'll have a final champion for twenty twenty and then they'll start a whole new. Set a provisional champions for twenty twenty one that will go in you know throughout the year people feuding over it each of the champion. Challenger, each dame a stipulation for their match. So that's that's the gist of the King of pro wrestling, championship is. There's a champion and a challenger now and each one will name a stipulation and then. Fans vote on it on the new Japan site, and then they'll have the matches on the. Road to shows are pay per views or wherever they may have them. I think it's going to be used to spice up some of the you know the house shows to. Get some attention on it during the pandemic and. Kind of spices things up, they've been really trying to make their. You know their non major shows more relevant. So like right now, the Doing A, they've set up a a junior world tag league for the vacant WG. Championship. So they've done a lot of little things to put some of their, not not their major titles, but to to make those shows interesting now. So this king of pro wrestling title could be part of that. But basically, what it all boils down to is a card is attention is on it and his stablemate Yano ones with the low blow and he's looking. Like okay did not look please the circumstances of how. Accurate the low blow and Qazvin look fleas but. The. My major point was that I think Oh. God is going to be by the major point I'm trying to get to is that Okaz going to be having attention on this king of pro? Wrestling Championship. And he's not going to win I, don't see him winning one I. See him being highly competitive but I see him being in the The King of pro I I see establishing that king of pro wrestling. Championship carrying ended you know eventually getting it off of somebody whether beyond or someone else in the coming months and that being one of the three top matches is going to be. Okada batch centered around the king of championship too because I think he wants to establish that title. That's my. That's my guess. But after what they did last week I just you know just. Is that what he wants to be associated like like the start to that was you know establishing the title was not a good start if you want people to take seriously. Some. of Pro Wrestling's best podcasts are VIP experience and you can go VIP and find out why we have been supported by paid subscribers for over thirty years with our exclusive top-shelf content including Pro Wrestling Torch senior columnist Bruce Mitchell with the Bruce Mitchell audio show. Host. 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I thought he did really well with it and executed it well, and you know just I really liked the he'll chair I liked. I liked I. just like how they picked up with the you know they're. The Japan Cup next. So they truncated things they kind of just you know breezed truncated everything. They didn't do a best of super junior's but they it seems like they've really with A. With some of their key talents unavailable to them, can't Jay, white and. Guys like that and and many others. He started really good job of. Picking up the pieces in an and moving forward it. I've talked about this about this on radical worldwide, just It felt like the time off. gave him top like a chance to focus on everything. Titles that. Were forgettable suddenly became important like the World Tag titles you've had A. Hiroshi Tana. Hashing CODA bushy feuding with. Suzuki Guns Zack Sabre junior entirety over the tag titles last couple of months. The Never Open Weight Championship. Kind of getting back to what it was supposed to be, which was defending against all comers from different weight classes. Shingo Takagi did a good job. You know fighting heavyweights junior heavyweights since caption the belt, and so I think they really done a good job of. Making Things Inter. Making everything interesting for people to watch where someone you know in the past like if you saw the tag title, match you like this is skipping if I never. Never match might be good but the belt never met meant anything but yet was Shingo carrying it he just carries himself like such a bad. You know just a bad ass that. You know they became memorable because he started he called out Minoru Zouqi setting up their match at the pay per view last weekend. So a lot of stuff that didn't have meaning before had meaning. In terms of titles and then they elevate people like. You know like evil when you weren't expecting it. But then even when they do unexpected things to kind of get back on track to where you think they're going to go. So if you think about who they're GONNA headline with its its Wrestle Kingdom it's gotta be some mix of. NATO in in a bushy and J white at the top of the car you know what I mean matches at the top of the card so It seems like they got back there last weekend and I think he's done a really good job with limited roster. and. I've just enjoyed. A lot of it makes sense. It's logical. Edit bills and especially, I just I just impressed because he could get by with just the main event seen being good and you know the undercard just be average in all people will remember is the The top players and an axe, and maybe the junior heavyweights have a really good match or a tagged junior tag titles. Shine out and but he's really There hasn't been a lot of it hasn't felt you know what I mean like hasn't felt like there's There's a ton of filler on these shows is is what I'm trying to get. You know usually there's A good amount of stuff on some of the pay per views and so forth but he's really a good job of. You know he's Kinda short in the car to actually you know six seven matches now and it's Kinda rarely. The pacing has been really refreshing. You know faster shows and at and just everything having meaning just about it. It's It's it's it's been good. It's been a little. It's been a nice departure from the usual new Japan formula. You know coming back out of the pandemic fresh I give credit for. Thank you for listening to the weight Keller pro wrestling show. 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Todd Martin on on the fix saying jets turned more and hockey talk man than Roddy Piper during these during the hype leading up to this, how do you think Moxley and Jeff have fared after the one guiding the way for the tone of the hype and Moxley responding to it both remotely with tape promos and then in the ring with them Jeff last week. I just. Haven't liked pull a political satire style promos I mean I thought the first one was pretty good but it Kinda old after that and the one thing I have liked as Moxie response to him and his shenanigans. You know keeping one step ahead of him a little bit outsmarting him in some instances. But I don't think this is where I'm Jay shines playing the you know what? I mean this presidential parody type of character you know. Y- of fighting for change with Moxley on top it just it just doesn't feel like. He was before this feud with Moxley. The way he feuded would cody you know what I mean and others use just a you know despicable he'll that got the DAX the deck's stacked in his favor, and that formula really worked with him and he's such a good talker. I don't hate it I just think there's I think letting him do what he does is enough without the. Without the over the tops it. So extra right now that it's it's almost cartoonish. What do you think of how Moxley has overall been portrayed by w? How do you grade him to? Just overall, and then when you look at all out being kind of their signature show, is there somebody else who jumps out that you think would have been a better a better match that W got ready for Moxley because when you're ago if you would have said, oh, Kenny won't be in any made events, but jeff will be headlining the marquee show. You know you'd kind of tilt your head and go really. So yeah. Just kind kinda talk about the big picture of Moxley and maybe what you would like to have seen as an alternate to this is their signature headline match on their signature paper. I like what they've done with him lately I think it's been really hard because I think a lot of his act is his give and take with the crowd and how they respond to his actions. When especially when he outsmarts the he'll I. Think it's a lot of fun to see the crowd come alive for that type I mean just see the crowd react I mean this is something that's affecting everybody but I think at the same time since they They had more fans last week I thought that was a little bit more fun wear. He outsmarted them during the Contra. MJ F is crew during the contract signing I that was more the Moxie I like like the the he'll. That's not the case that's not stupid. You know when he's dealing with conniving heels I really like how he you know he comes across in those situations and and Kinda pull the rabbit out of his hat the end to surprise them by I don't think it's been the greatest material for him the work with I like him with the a bit more of a serious presentation against heal it just either you can't help but it's just too cartoony with them J. F. and you'd think that's why I was saying I don't mind necessarily mind so much that I'm Jay Efi's in the match with. But. It's. It's why are they making Mj? F into a cartoon type of he'll you know just week by week? He becomes it feels like you know the. Heyday. smackdown or something I duNNo. The Miss Comparisons were always on the verge of happening with with his character and you would aim the aim was. Go higher than that. Have a little bit of. A little bit of Roddy Piper Chris. Jericho. Guys who really sustain themselves as credible main event heels and know he should be a derivative of anybody when he's even said that in his promos kind of reaction reacting to some of the categorizing comparison of him but. It's I. I don't have the political campaign stuff. If. It'll be wants to take that approach where a he'll whose bombastic and wants to be the center of attention wants to play off of the current season as opposed to the alternative, which is just more straightforward. I insult you. I, want to champion type stuff I think Jeff we're GONNA find out long run. It's going to try to find things to do as Jericho has done over the years that are kind of theme oriented and and make that his thing. Now maybe they'll be push back on this and he'll he'll deviate away from that I I don't think there should be a rule against on a weekly theories a he'll doing the spoof making himself political candidate and acting like a jerk. To his staff and having political signs and making it seem like it would. He'd be a gift Tate W to be the face of the company compared to Moxley and that he sort of campaigning for that I. as long as you know, sort of self aware of of what he's doing in the context of it, which I think is character is. You know playing mind games and try to mess with people's mess with people's heads and get under Moxley skin I think it's fair game I just I just didn't think his character was quite ready for this yet I, think he should have been winning big matches and looking incredible ambitious and tough doing it and I think it's character kind of like MS is a little too soft around the edges despite you know he would point to is undefeated record or Whatever, but I just don't think he had signature wins to build them up to seem like credible opponent to Moxie who could be perceived as an actual threat to win the title and be the centerpiece he'll. I agree with everything you said. All all him doing all this as long as. Some credibility in the ring is fine, but it just makes it more cartoonish because he hasn't had those credible. You know what? I mean wins as a he'll. He's just barely escaped. So it's you know there's no credibility there in terms of thinking that if the deck wasn't stack, you know what? I mean he'd he'd beat Moxley so I mean that's not my choice for you know we kind of like their wrestlemainia the that'd be they brand a couple of big shows a year but you know this one's supposed to be the you know I mean the show yeah, and The double or nothing in the in the spring but You know just for a show like this. I mean. I don't have a lot of bad things to say about a WS booking but. Justed. It's just I I just wish they'd given him more of an edge heading into this because. It's just It's just made me think that you know all Moxley has to do not get outfox two to win the match. It's it's not that MJ is tough enough to to beat him on his own. Something I like wrestling is like not only do heels cheap but you know the the credible and you know they they could win without cheating but they cheat anyway to get. The upper hand. So I think establishing that credibility is key for a top tier match and like you said they just they just have not done. You know he his biggest wins he sees he's cheated is used he stacked the deck in his favor to win matches and You know he's he's not really ever been given a showcase where you could show Tuffy is in the ring and that he really is he is good that I I think he's capable of that too. So I I don't understand the it's not a great match up from Oxley in that way you know because. Just, the lack of credibility. You know you just wondering as You know you're. The scale is like you're waiting for fans are going to be waiting for that moment where Mj F tries to capitalize instead of. That threat being there at any time or when he gets the upper hand that, hey, this guy can finish him off at any moment. It couldn't. It doesn't have to be the slip of a banana peel you know. Tokyo. Totally. Need, an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts will come join me out for L. The press Paradise Pier Torch VIP as we bask on the bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the great matches and chose from around the world be the US Japan, Europe or Mexico. There's always a place of restaurants passed in the Paradise to, and we've done fun historical shows such as the we love our series celebrating glorious career of Jewish thunder like. I was there when shows where guests will join me to talk about a classic belt that they were in attendance for we love variety and you can expect lots of at the progress paradise. Detailed torch VIP, subscription information on a list of all the VIP. Benefits is available at Peterborough Torch VIP INFO, Dot Com, and yes. Lovie VIP Alcazar compatible with popular PODCAST APP on iphone and android devices, or you can stream them directly from Ad Free Vip. Mohel sight see in the paradise? How do you feel about the jerk orange cassidy feud is and just how they're utilizing orange cassidy. As opposed to being a sidekick for a mid card tag team, he's Top, arguably, atop top match signature pay per view against. One of their top stars and probably the most recognizable name on the roster. Yeah I mean I like it he's just so popular. He showed great fire I like to I've I've liked how he's feud with Jericho and they've they've just. Nicely moved along from week to week with the with the the orange bath and then the You know they. castaway in the rubber match Not, the rubber match the second match and leading to this one. At least just so popular and you never thought you'd never really thought his act would. Carry I didn't think it would transition to the you know what I mean to a stage like you know national TV? TNT So to speak but it really I mean he's just he's so popular and he's kind of turned it up in the ring a little bit and I think that's helped to when it's time to get serious. He's not doing the whole. You know half asleep wrestling act that he did on the independence for most of the time he that would have been somewhat limiting. You know what I mean like I I he I, think he would have needed to go beyond Oh. Let's go to the show and sit with three or four hundred people and watch orange cassidy do his bit on sort of a variety of show a different different India acts, and that's a blast in that works when you're part of a weekly series and. You're you're you build to a big pay per view match you WanNa. Be against top guys into be against the top guy the high end of Orange Cassidy as a character and a worker involves having a wider range to his character them than necessarily you would do if you were kind of a traveling gimmick ticket seller on the indie scene is that right to say you know what you need to be on the might might be different than what what you need to be in a national cable company Yeah, I'm. Doing Act like this that's very popular on the indies. That's fine. You know 'cause he could go everywhere and do his act and be popular. But a it really is you know just It really wasn't mad of turning it up for national TV and they. And he's done that and it's been it's been surprising. You know because got of all the guys, he's really panned out the best for them so far which I wouldn't have counted on you know when they started signing people. What is his? What is his Max upside? I just like. Tip Top the upper tier. So you think he could be. A baby face opponent to. Kenny Omega or he'll? I can be world champion. Boy. I'd have a hard time by in that. Yeah. Let's they really overhaul this character. I mean a- It's all about where they go with him as it currently is t can be a pest to you know what I mean yeah a baby face pest. And he can be capable of outfoxing them but. I think right now. I. Think he's Kinda reached a ceiling with how far it could go. You know just this feud with Jericho. I mean that's about as good as this character can do. That's what I? Yeah. That's the thing like I. I mean having him be north. American champion if he's if he's somebody who wants eats Brodie Lee and maybe they're setting up something like that post all out orange Cassie Brodie Lee for the North American title I like that. Yeah what am I just thank you. Not Title. Big News folks yeah. I think that that that works for me and I think that's the level that you kind of want to keep them on and I think people will be engaged in whatever he does but I don't know that I. Think you start to get some pushback and you just be pushing other people out of the way if you try to go further with his character I don't think that's a particularly controversial stance just sort of because he's against Jericho and it's like this top three formats on their signature pay per view. It does bring up the question of how how far can you go and is there a limit and and I think for his act and who he is, but we'll see but I think there is a limit. Concern you know. that. Title Picture. You can certainly be a factor. And maybe visit the main event seen occasionally. that. But I don't see him. I don't know I just don't see the act it's constituted. It's just Nada money. You know just to what you know a money act I don't think long term without you know without Jericho, they're playing off him What what do you think? The MOST MAYHEM GIMMICK? You've got orange cassidy with orange juice being a theme freshly squeezed all that and then you got Derek with bubbly. I mean, it's sort of rights itself sort of. Sarcastically. said, it's a genius idea mixing mixing the two gimmicks but it does sort of feel like it had to be shown but. You're going to have Jericho with the character. He plays Cassie with character. He plays have a match. You know it's going to cross their mind. Hey, together, we're a Mosa. Let's. Do we turn that into a gimmick I mean you can't let that escape creative meeting without at least some discussion I I'm totally fine with it. If aws had a different approach to booking Jericho and they didn't have a character like orange cassidy getting pushed his heart as he is then I'd say, well, that's just Cillian doesn't fit. But the reality is fits the tone that Tony Kahn and company decided to take their booking. And it's silly. It's just silly but I don't think it's silly in a way that it has a net negative effect on the company or the buyer to all up. Right it's It just fits the few. It's a nice second fiddle and it. Just gets it's for the feud they're doing it. It's kind of a a one time thing and it's the fans will you know? Something people like. Bell. But it's just. I they. It's a one time thing. In terms of His Orange Kassy's character getting this kind of interest. Yeah. Yeah. Yep what else stands out on the show we're going to do a full preview on the way podcast on Thursday that's the plan. So we'll run down the whole car then and we'll also have Wednesday night show. To to help steer us in terms of our analysis but. If you picked one of their match that that intrigues you the most is a casino battle Royal Kenyan page against FDR cure sheet against other Rosa. The Matt Hardy semi are like, what what intrigues me the most. Other tag match. You know just to see where where Where are they going without him page after he got kicked out of the elite you know There's been so many reasons for his character act the way he is because the young bucks can't have done. Have done. Stuff that. Would make someone angry as you know this. Drama in the elite has played out over the past year almost and I'm just interested to see you know what happens. Does the the turnout Omega do they? Do they keep fighting together and win this match I don't know but it just feels like it's time for something to happen but. If it feels like the what the young bucks did as a signal of something's going to happen in this match and I'm really interested to see. Do, we finally get Kenny and. Page and singles matches, and now that Kanye has worked with page for so long and you know he's up, he's back on track. You know he he didn't get off to a great start in Awa but now now of pages on track and you know we could get a really good Match between those two. At the last show of the year would be my preference just to see. You know those guys in the single scene because I think. They're two really good acts pages rehabilitated. You know see Omega the singles matches appealing to after all these months and tag matches so That's definitely the other match. I my eye on. The card but I'm really interested to see. You know what's the next chapter between Omega Megan page and where it goes from there. Aloha torch faithful. This is Kelly wells host of WT talks and x t every Thursday you can hear me and my gang of idiots Tom Style share thoughts from the live tapings and torch recap limbered as well as a rotating cast of guests cover the matches and events in. Live on USA Network Search VW, Torching Apple Podcasts, or your podcast. APP to subscribe or listen on demand and see the entire pw torch daily cast schedule at pw torch daily pass, dot com. Cheers. All right. Let's Let's shift to. Now. We're at a disadvantage, the timing of recording the Tuesday flakes flagship this week and Being on Wednesday means most people listening to this we'll have already seen. The Tuesday TNA show the hour long ironman match that said? We can pre analyze it for poche analysis. If that makes sense Sean and we have contenders here thin Ballard Tomato Champa Adam Cole Johnny Gargano. To Win who do you hope tonight you see win that match and make your case for why that's the right decision. I don't know I just trying to think of WHO's who is to be the freshest face. I'll jump in and you just a little bit because I'll throw some thoughts out for you to react to. Okay. Yeah. I like Tomato Champa. I'd like to see Champa because I think. With the way that this match came about and carrying crosses injury you gotta shake it really does shakeup the direction because he'll be out for for a while now and champ is a guy who just I don't think was on a set course and had setbacks, and if he became champion I think that there's a there's more stories you can tell with that I think Ballard once he's my second choice because. He's a big name I think bring my of the product and I think he can be sort of the standard bearer of the rest of the year for that brand and have really good main events. But Champ I feel his character needs a victory and I think they put a new spin on his character last weekend and having him be the champion cut promos have a chip on his shoulder and then face. To face. Adam Cole. Among. Other possibilities, intrigues me the most I think Adam Cole of feels like well. The. Guy Who lost now just has developed again and the guy, the champ beat the guy who beat them is injured and that's the only reason. Cole has I think you you run into that storyline with him if you do that. So I wanNA void that and then Gargano I just I think his character has been a little too comedic. And he's been there and he's good but I just think he's a second third from the top wrestling now who needs to take a break for being the top guy. So that's kind of my case I mean I think they're really good candidates, and so I think they can make the best of make a good situation of any of them but to me and Adam Cole facing Champa with coal in a baby face position champion and he'll position. Is Fresh to me intrigues me, and that's the argument I would make but. It defines downfield valor a little bit of it keeps hanging out in annex T and doesn't end up being the centerpiece and so I think if he has a nice rain. Him losing it to someone would then have an impact. So part of me makes a case for him but it still second to Champa so that those are my thoughts. Oh, what do you say to that I kind of agree with you you know kind of what I was thinking was you know either Ballard does something you know what I mean interesting or or chapel holds the title as a heel does something against Adam Cole those are my two thoughts trips at the most intriguing possibilities here. So I the. Host intriguing thing is is chat. EPA Right now, just to see how he would do because to see In that role against Adam Cole especially as a face, they need to do something with Finn Balanced Soon I feel like it doesn't have to be. This week but it just feels like he's too big of a star to just not be you know what I mean prominently featured as as a threat on this roster you know since he's Since he dropped down he's just he's so good. How can you just continue to blow him on? You know the not only the main roster but annex t to it just. I'd like to see them do something with him because. He he would be a real force in nature and other wrestling promotions. Yes. Yup. Absolutely How do you grade just kind of what's your take away from the W. Battle so far? It's been a while since I've talked to you about that. What what strengths and weaknesses or what surprise what surprised you about how each brand has been presented and he'd show has been received in what was once ahead battle we've had some weird weird changeups in that lately, but we'll get back to that in a few weeks on a consistent basis. I assume unless someone throws a on my biggest surprise is that the annexed? Having a stronger showing in the younger demo and I really don't you know what I mean. Yeah. I don't get it. You know I just don't. They have know you would think guys like Ballard in Ghana and Champa Adam Cole and it so many others on the roster with appeal you know what I mean like. You have so many appealing wrestlers. It's just it's gotta be the presentation. You know I think I think a w just always seems exciting. They move from segment to segment of shows even in a it I mean even in A. Empty arena or partial. You know the the wrestler's rings died and now the partial. SP SPACE SOCIALLY DISTANCE I just feel. Awa has an energy that t can't seem to match just of the pacing of the book, the the freshness of talent the. They just have this like it just comes across as the fresh product. You know what I mean this fresh exciting on the rise product. And even though it's not Be It was so good earlier before the pandemic lead into that I pay per view in. February. It was like some of the best bill to pay per view I've seen in years and you know outside of. New. Japan does good build but not like TV build. You know what I mean like like the US and I thought. Hey, w. just you know. They really were so good early this year they've continued to be good even after it's just I feel like aws declined a little bit in terms of just being. So compelling but still like they really hit a high watermark but and they fall a little bit bus not too far. I'm just hope it comes across trying to say is it's still awfully good. Yeah. It's just I the pandemic just hasn't helped the main. Maintain that energy but the the roster still feels very much energized. Every Sunday night catch wrestling night in America on PW Torch Daily. Cast Dot, com hosted by me PW torch columnist. Greg Parks each week I'll welcome a CO host from the torch family to discuss the big shows and pro wrestling taking your calls and emails. You can listen live most weeks beginning eight PM. Eastern on Sunday nights with the WWE or impacts pay per view we go on. The air at the conclusion of that pay per view, you can listen live but of course, the full show is available for download demand anytime shortly after it airs visit Pw Torch. Daily cast. Dot Com and click the livestream linked to find the next scheduled live show link search pw, torture Apple, podcasts, or podcast APP to subscribe wrestling night in America every Sunday pw torch daily cast dot com. Well, they had the advantage with that. You know the bigger arena look you think about the CAP senator you and how over the wrestler's were and you can't. It's just it's hard to make a new star when you don't have crowds reacting to them and you know thunderdome attempt to to help now dynamite selling tickets at Daly's place. I think they did a great job capturing an increase in energy level on Wednesday compared to where they had been because he's still addresses at ringside and they already had some VIP fans in the crowd. So didn't seem like this giant leap opera big change but. Eight, you had an advantage and now that advantage is is it's Gone it's just different. But when you put or cassidy out there in the crowds going absolutely bananas for him. To Mix. Fruit. To Mix my. Examples are going absolutely orange for him you know it it. It makes a difference in how the average fan views that wrestler versus who's this guy in the company's trying to tell me over same thing for like drew McIntyre Keith Lee. Matt Riddle you just don't know you know how would run smackdown audiences in bigger arenas be reacting to them to be has the advantage of being the main brand and they got sort of their built in audience but they had the disadvantage of the performance just not being nearly as big a big time in terms of the vibe it gave off that daily place had annexed. He had a follower. Couldn't fall is far they started from an intimate setting. So there are just less of a drop off and that's why I think that they've fared pretty well relative to the other companies in terms of retaining the audience they had because the audience they had wasn't watching because of the gigantic arena big-time feel they were watching because of something else and so it that some less got away from the audience already had. But what you think of what if you thought Thunderdome so far? I thought it was like really distracting it i. I've kind of gotten used to it. It's just weird to me they pipe in crowd noise and. There's all these people in the background reacting it looks like a big zoom meeting you know and I I don't know just. I don't know if I'd. Say I prefer to the slurs cheering in the background with the big hockey screens out now I don't know visually like I was trying to trying to digest it like they tried to go for some a big arena spots. With the Braun and the fiend. At the pay per view and I was looking like it. It kind of looks goofy to me you know. Just all these people just. They got this canned. Just I guess it's it's it's something but it's just like I don't know it's just I don't like it a lot. It's. It's. It's okay. It's. It's almost I prefer that almost to the. Next, t trainees in. Some of the people that actually appear on TV for them cheering in the crowd I guess it's good to have the fans reacting the background, but it's like the scanned reaction mixed in with that. It's it's It's a work in Progress I. Guess. Didn't I wonder if they'll reconsider the the hockey boards in the like in the background like I mean the the Dome is set, it's built. It's expensive. They're going to stick with that in terms of the video screens and I I think it's a net gain for me in terms of the atmosphere the Dome Looks, Cool Special Effects You augmented reality. The big stage bigger ramp I think just seeing fans in the background you're mostly paying attention to the restaurant. It's mostly wallpaper, but it's live wallpaper and it's of course it's not even close to as good as having actual fans there. So better than the just for comparison like us it's better than like when I'm watching the NBA. Hockey. They haven't had anything at least but the NBA like. It doesn't look sharp at least with wwe like the fans look like they have a good picture on them in in the background you know at least it looks it looks sharp for them. What the credit for you know looking better than the NBA does in terms of trying to mix fans in because I agree it. It looks a little or rent to me but it's you know the other thing is they got police this stuff that's going on. You know there is you know these people are going to try to get away with stuff. Although I think people will tried to get away with stuff realize there's probably like sixteen people in the world who are paying attention to them, and they're gonNA get banned and as long as to just know cells in put some someone else's face up there. Who Cares I mean how how if someone wants to do a hand signal or put up a sign don't be going to take them off in for three seconds they got away with something and it's like just get a life you know I mean. I'm not saying it's the did I guess I. Blow it a little bit but Visually, it's it is impressive. It's just hard to get you. You know what I made for me it was hard to get used to it. I, it was incredibly distracting and now I think I'm starting to settle into it. It's not ideal, but it's better than. The. Alternatives for them. That's and that's the thing. It's not a perfect situation I. I give them really good great. But I think it's working progress in terms of the sound mixing. You know I think if if you expect that. If there's energy on the screens because of something that happened and people are clapping and I think they should encourage them to clap not just like do thumbs up or something if there if you see clapping on the screen and then they turn up the sound clapping and the audience I think they're figuring out it's live it's not post produce it's tougher and so they had a new day new day rocks chant for Biggie. The other day and I was like, well, okay. That's sort of works to me you just you want it you want to not notice and I think before you noticed there wasn't crowd noise. You notice there wasn't a crowd. Now what you want is for people that not notice and it's the absence of a negative that I think they're going for along with the big production of ring entrances and I think they're in a good spot. For that put bringing bringing the trainees back banging on hockey boards off camera like under the hard camera just to create that natural noise in the background in the NFL kind of got used to might be something considered or maybe a top row behind the screens of socially space tested rest trainee wrestlers also reacting to it in creating genuine evan flow noise wise, and then just having people off camera against sitting behind the camera at Amway. And actually creating real fan noise they're not on camera there just production people staff people whatever socially space them. But actually have actual people. Onset. Even. Two dozen people reacting it can blend in with the fit with the. The the noise that's faked in added. So I, guess, I'm just saying I think there's layers they can do to piecemeal something together that feels a little more natural where it just feels like you're watching. Debbie without thinking about it. Yeah Agree it's just you know I think they'll get there. You know the Fine Tuning it. it's it's been a little rough start. You know just trips of. Even piping in the right reaction at the right time hasn't happened always. Up like when Roman came out I, thought they'd have more extraction kind of just sound like can noises when he came out the pay per view me yeah. They got to be with him because you can. Pipe in noise and people are getting older manipulating us to think a certain way. Yeah. Win. Sam Yeah I don't know. If, it would have been hot though I'd have to think crowd. Oh. Sure. Well. It feels I just want to say. It's definitely making it easier to watch than it was before because it read like those empty arena type like the Wrestlemainia this year and the other shows. Yeah, I'm just glad it's. It's it's it's a step towards what we're used to at least. Harley remember the days when women's wrestling matches were relegated to the mid card dumping ground and treated like a glorified intermission. You mean the era when he was only men in the top spots in the main feds getting the biggest matches every night. Yeah. Vaguely. Seriously, while we might have a long way to go really have come a long way baby, and that's why we started grid and glitter comcast covering the best in the world of women's wrestling from the Horse Women of WWe to the goddesses of stardom and everyone in between. Each Tuesday emily myself and our team of guest correspondence talk the best matches and the biggest news in women's wrestling. Plastic interviews deep dies in discussions about everything for media representation to gear to women in behind the scenes ropes just search P W, torch in the podcast. App of your choice to subscribe or listen on demand and see the entire PW Torch Davis schedule at PW. Torch. David Cast Dot. com. Let's let's wrap up with one email here. a sean about big. Just mentioned him. I WANNA I wanNA talk more about him and I'm glad we got an email on. James from. St. Louis says. I wanted to refer back to your smackdown polls show from last week in the color asked about a big the biggie ms talking smack segment I think there were some inaccuracies from the callers questions that led to the conversation taking a path. It didn't. It did where it seemed you and Mike, we're taking it as biggie complaining about lack of opportunities is actually addressing. The fact was thrown to the side after his championship loss and then relegated back to take team wrestling the next week with. No real mentioned again that he was to be champion. So what are you referred to Miss Continue to get opportunities? That's what he was referring to. Kofi was there for eleven years and he was treated like that. But MS has been there for I. Believe Four years at this point while at at that point well, everyone knows miss worked hard to stay where he was. Can we honestly say Kofi didn't do the same there are several factors lead to that happening the way that it did. Brock stupid more title matches, Saudi shows, etc. But the largest thing was no one believed him who had clout I think Mrs speaking from the unfortunate place of unconscious privilege I. Feel like people used the working hard to get back up the mountain statement as a way to deflect how wrong they were. They treated him. They could have had another match similar to the style of listeners matches with styles Brian a mysterious. Then Mrs comment about big was that he could have done so much more. If he could get serious but biggie mentioned that he started off being serious and no one gave a damn. So why not be myself and make that work singles or tag? So my question, do you feel? So why do you feel so many people feel like he has to be super serious and a great singles run when he did that before advancing spotted which chance of boring thanks rick every week and thanks for taking my email James of Saint. Louis. So some some good topics in there. They kind of had a follow up this week I'm talking smack to I have been a proponent of biggie not being a goof to the point that it's hard to take him. seriously. I have not I do not believe this is a binary choice, the switches either on or off. He's either super serious or humping turn buckles and gyrating and making clown faces like I. Think there's this vast middle ground and I want him to move more towards the vast middle ground where it seems like he's not out there as part of a minstrel. Show where he's just there to entertain the people in the crowd with with Jovial happy. Happy go lucky mixed with sort of shock value callum. I can't believe you did that I wanna I wanna see an athlete who has has a bigger opportunity to express that he takes himself. seriously he takes winning seriously he takes being a champion seriously he takes being a role model seriously and part of being a role model is taking your job seriously and not looking like you're someone on the sidelines just trying to shock people and make people laugh. And I would counter and I want I'm curious on your take on the Sean. The reason that people react to him back. Then when he was serious, he hadn't been a new day for all these years he had formed fortunate bond with fans. Now. He's a star now people love him. So now, but he's now he's in a different position. He's not playing off his friends. He's going after a major singles title and you become a major singles champion without a more serious side. So it would work now because he's not a rookie on television who people don't know they know him so he doesn't have to drop who he was, but he can add to it. I'm still that guy and that's who I really am but I got to be serious now. It doesn't need to be boring. It doesn't mean not showing some personality, but you have to also add to the mix a mission statement where you're not just. Being a goof and I don't think that that's a binary choice. I don't think that's either or I think you can actually still have personality but do it in a way where you're there's room for someone to take you seriously and I just don't know that that's been the case and I think he took a few steps that way but his his the way he defends being quote himself I mean, we all have different size to ourselves, but there's Times that there's times to be a certain slice of yourself and other times be a different slice, and now he's a single guy who has made event potential can be face against Roy Moore? And I don't know that doing the act he's done. A new day is is is the right route. To to make the most money and have people take you seriously. So there's my case in response to James and just sort of I would have said that. Three weeks ago we can before talking smack Sean your thoughts on on this topic. Well. Think you hit a lot of the point on the head is when he was A. Singles. Before the new day run, he had no. Experience as its current character bonded to the audience I, think a character can change and evolve and become more serious and do what is needed to do in terms of being a serious threat in the title picture, and that's what he has to do. If he wants to be taken seriously. It is just if he's in there humping the term buckles every match low one's going to say, Hey, I want to see this guy, carry the top belt and watch him fighting and I mean. He's got to alter you know he's got to transition character and it's just Went wwe does this I have very little faith because the part and parcel of the company for so many years is just You know what? I mean this cartoon crap you know and. He could tone that down and it. Just, you know I've heard him speak on race issues and so forth and he speaks so well, it makes me think that you know what I made. It makes me think he'd be a great. Speaker in the ring. For a serious prizefight or a series championship match you know, and that's what I see I've is character and that's what the people in the company should see. This is someone who's very eloquent when it comes to serious issues. You know now that he's out of the tag title see now that he's not. His buddies anymore you know people change. Going for titles. Used to happen wrestlers would evolve and w w but it seems like they don't anymore. necessarily. Very often to the point you know what? I mean just. Wrestlers are so stuck in their ways almost in a lot of instances be like we were talking about Roman reigns just being presented a certain way for so long and. The same thing, but it seems like you know people wwe should be there working with say, Hey, look at this guy look at the way he speaks on social issues. Look at the way speaks on you know other serious topics. So there's twitter account of you know he could be. You know he might be you know that goofy side of him is what could be something people really love. But when it's time to get serious, they know serious and that's what I see in. Him Rock COMSAT set you know. Not. Everybody had like a goofy side when they were remain better and not everybody should. But. Brent hearted into. Steve Austin did not when he was on top know as like at the peak, there was a very narrow lane that Steve Driven and it, and it made him a lot of money and made us company a lot of money changed course the industry. Other wrestlers. Have more of arranging Chris Jericho did I mean Chris? Jericho was when he was made of enter wasn't super boring and serious, but it worked and so I think it's a it's a it's a false comparison for being easy to say when nobody knew who I was and I didn't wasn't I didn't have any any discernible character. Nobody cared about me. So now I can never go back to being serious. It's like no now people care about you. So you can be serious. You know because you've already established that bond. So I I. Hope I. Hope we're on a journey to that because again it's it's not a binary choice. And there might not be great mentor form behind you know what I mean to help him. Yeah. It's not that veteran guy there who spend what he's been through as a black wrestler in playing that role, you know what I mean in terms of. His thought is like, Hey, I'm making millions of dollars doing this. Why should I change it? You know or? You know the merge make even more money and it's the right thing to do and I think people will be on board and he can be I. think a better role model. For the people, he wants to be a role model for if he shows that he doesn't need to do what he does for shock value for people to care about them and I sincerely believe he has arrived at a place where he does not. I don't think you should feel the need to be hit quote himself but himself in a way that feels not serious and after hours. And because he's just too talented after that, there's there's people who need to do that in order to be. To hold their place on a card and he's not one of them. He doesn't need to do that. I. Think I think people would be onboard for serious I want to sneak in one very well this goes back to an exte- Liam emailed and said if WWe books this match intelligently, we could be in for some tremendous matches, a match, your potential tonight but I think it should finish as a four-way draw without a single fall after sixty minutes. Then continue the four way pursuit until survivor series weekend where the. Four men battle into semi final matches followed by the final over two nights or on the same night similar tonight double championship victory this year Jericho's undisputed champion Championship Success Twenty years ago compelling match just like this could provide stiffer competition day W and benefit the wrestling fans hugely in the coming months ahead big fan of weight keep up the good work I think slim I. Don't think they want the belt the belt held up through late November so I'm going to discount that but the possibility that it's a tie. and. They don't overtime because they run out of TV time and they have a rematch next week. In order to draw rating and as he says, you know compete with aws. I wouldn't rule that out tonight when we had that discussion about whether who should win and why there is a chance in this match that there are. Two or three way tie or potentially four way tie with either falls or one or something that does lead to no conclusive winner tonight. I i. do like the idea of going going the hour and continue into the next week. I want to I. Think it would do their ratings much good to like you said, hold it up through. November. By thank. You know with with a W. running their pay per view this weekend and probably getting a lot of interest on dynamite. The fallout. What better way to? Hold People's than to have a compelling you know draw. A compelling Hook Teddy into next week and you know announce that. Hey, ahead of time or. At least the announcement there on social media and press releases. Or. Even advertisements on USA can announce on RAW. Hey, this smash GonNa Continue Wednesday right that's a really good strategy like just just come out on Rod. Say if you want you know cut little highlight package. If you watch the t last week you saw these four guys go sixty minutes and tonight continues you know. No time limit. Must be a winner or something like that. Yeah. So I throw that in there we'll see if people by the time they listened to this, it probably will have happened and they'll know but that is an alternative booking approach in it. I was was worth thrown out there. So it didn't seem like it was inevitable. They'll be just just one later tonight and they could extend it although who should come out with a belt. I still stand by it just doesn't have to be tonight. We're now on Patriot that's right. You can support us and get benefits at Patriotair Dot com slash P W TORCH VIP? That's Patriot. 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Thrillseekers vs Heavenly Bodies - Night Of The Legends 25th Anniversary Special

Talk Is Jericho

1:22:41 hr | 1 year ago

Thrillseekers vs Heavenly Bodies - Night Of The Legends 25th Anniversary Special

"Kobe off ricco ricco welcome. It's okkas. Jericho is the pod thundering rock and roll today. I got my first tag team. Partner oldest friends and the rest of the business lance storm returns. He's back on talk is jericho to help me tell the story of our infamous nineteen ninety four night of the legends match in smoky mountain wrestling listing the thrill seekers i of the heavenly bodies the twenty fifth anniversary. That mashes passed a few weeks ago. It was not only one of our best smokey mountain more of those legendary matches in the history of the promotion and my very last match for jim cornets s._m. W <hes> did it also with a broken arm wrestle with a broken round massachusetts story lance and i were the thrill seekers us versus. Jimmy del ray and tom prichard heavenly bodies. We are the knoxville civic center august fifth nine hundred ninety four and you can watch it along with us coming up a little later on the show you can find find that on youtube just type in thrill seekers heavenly bodies and when we get to the watch long lanston i will warn you and tell you depress start and we will remember m._s._n. Remember together together. Let's reunite the thrill seekers tag team for the legends twenty-five years later right now on talk is jericho here all right so it's the twenty five years ago lance storm and i were still living in tennessee moorestown for me knoxville for lance dance and we had the huge night of the legends show for smoky mountain wrestling first of all. Is it crazy that that was twenty five of years ago. Yeah it is because my fiftieth birthday was just a little while ago so it was half my life ago which is crazy to me it doesn't it doesn't feel like that long and then of course classic lance comment. It was more than half your life ago like what'd you say. I've been alive longer since than before. 'cause we had been there. I think we got there in about february. We started february of ninety four. We did the videos in february very <hes>. I know i moved there right. After i got married in may but we did all those great <hes> thrill seeker rock america videos i think in february ah yes asas facility basically february march april may june july so we've been in the in the in the territory for about six months at this point in time and the show ooh night of the legends was august fifth nineteen ninety four and it was held in the knoxville civic center and that's where we first saw any type of smokey mountain on wrestling coronet brought us in the weekend of that show to kind of impress us with how big the crowd was gonna be yeah. It was his sunday bloody eddie sunday show who was actually the first night that terry funk ever did moon salt he this right yeah and i remember thinking like oh my god. This place is so huge region. It's so packed and i don't know. Have you been back there since ever. Did you work there at all yeah i. I don't know if it was w._c._w. Or or who but yeah i did one show. It's it's not as impressive as we remember it to be. It's so funny because i was actually in there. I remember i had a house show their against against kane of course glenn also wrestled for awhile for smokey mountain and i remember saying to him like dude like this is like somebody took the knoxville civic center and put it in the star wars trash compactor. It just seemed like so tiny but when we were there it was massive because obviously you had you know i think at the time they probably had three three thousand people are twenty five hundred people and the place i think held five so nine of the legends we'll get to that was jam packed sold out but i remember just thinking like just how big it was was and then the fact that the legends would probably double the original crowd it might as well seem like the tokyo dome well that and it's just a frame of reference right like i don't know what the biggest show you'd worked at that that point but you know i hadn't yet worked the sky dome and other places so it's like it just felt so gigantic that it was you know you felt like stars which was smart on cornet spark mark because brought us in for that big show and you know we were young enough to think wow every shows like this. We need to work here right yeah. Exactly of course that wasn't the case it was the shows shows were two hundred bucks north kentucky but at least it was kind of like working for w. A. r. where you'd have a lot of the smaller shows and then they would basis every three months on on the sumo arena whatever it could be whatever whatever was and i had we worked knoxville civic center before that doc before neither the legends i yes we would have 'cause we had done a couple of programs with the heavenly bodies and i'm pretty sure that was our regular knoxville. You know big show of the month so i again. I did a couple of shows without you when you were still finishing up some more date so i don't know if you did but i'm all the positive i worked with the <hes> they well done guys there yeah as we might have done one of those penalty box matches there ah we we did a a series of matches where <hes> we were against the heavenly bodies. Sorry not sorry i guess well done and they were kind of did the initial program for us when we got smoke because we got in and i'm sure you could expand upon this because your your memories really good as well as mine but i think jim jim brought us in to be kind of era parents the rock and roll express and so when we came in we worked a lot of kind of job guy matches then the first program we had was well. Well done yeah we. We did the loop as they say for. I think like three months with well done you know we i think we beat them every time not sure why we kept coming back everyone but yeah the big last one was the penalty box matches where if you cheated you got sent to the penalty box and had like a two minute timeout and and it was a a two on one advantage for their team and i think the penalty box in most towns was like an upside <hes> a desk turned on its side with a chair behind it and you just sat in the corner her by ringside but you know it's funny because what spurred my <hes> my idea to do this. Show is on on the jim cornet experience recently. He also watches the show back and talks about how the idea for the thrill seekers was that you know the rock and roll aren't going to be around forever. I have to build somebody kind of take their place and then goes on a rant about how green we work as we were fairly greenham in you and i had had some international experience but certainly working in the states and especially in the south <hes> really didn't know the style or or what to expect yeah really green on promos and personality obviously me more more than you but you know working in. I worked c._w._a. Catch and the f._m. W tour before this which was all more pure sport based so from personality in promo standpoint. I was green as grass. You're far better than me but still had a ways to go yeah and working wise remember we we came in there. Were just like throwing these guys guys around with tiger suplexes and dragon suplexes and all this crazy stuff which if you're going to tennessee where they're still basically doing you know the poo poo spot in the water spot type of thing we were coming in. They must have hated us. Well with the thing is though we got good reactions. You know it's not like we didn't get over the crowd blake. Does i've done with the other people with the guys in the back. Oh yeah i know at times names. I had to try to calm well done down because they'd get hot at you for for doing so much yeah well. I mean that's the style that we had remember like you and i. I said this is what we're gonna do this. They brought us four so let's do that you know and <hes> it just it just let's reflect refresh people's memories that don't know what the poop respond as you might remember somebody jump on jimmy del ray stomach and then he had i think jimmy del ray would throughout throughout the beginning of the match start selling the stomach wasn't feeling well and just running spots he'd be acting kinda weird and he'd taegu to to dr tom mm-hmm and then he'd have the ono look on his face and he grabbed his stomach and he'd put his other hand on his but like he's about to crap his pants and he's trying to hold it in and he'd run back to the locker room and then he'd stand the locker room for a few minutes and he would take a piece of long piece of toilet paper tuck it in the back elastic band of his trunks and then he'd run back out feeling all happy and find like he'd finally relieved himself and the crowd would laugh because he's got the toilet paper drank <hes> dragging behind his trunks and this is a high spot ladies and gentleman when the people would do in the south that heels would do in the south <hes> that would get responses. Yes then we're out there trying to yeah well. I think you were actually working there but i was a big fan of the you know the early ninety s new japan junior heavyweight style of like jewish in lyon otani otani and the people in smoky mountain wanted the poop spot. Let's go back about a month before nine of the legends and tell the story from the whole angle of how got to the tonight of the legends but before we do that our friends at umax have a great new product is going to help you sleep better at night. I know how i feel and i don't get good good sleep and it's <hes> you know i don't sleep a lot of it's not quality. I don't feel great. I'm impatient and edible. My brain fills foggy my whole body just feel sluggish and slow and and none of that is good for a._w._s. Or fosse. I gotta be ready to give one hundred fifty percent. Every time i hit the ring. Every time i hit the stage a lot of people entertain and i don't wanna get hurt. 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One month's supply plus free shipping. That's olmecs health dot com promo code jericho get the best sleep your life and go check it out now. So where where where are we at this point. Let's go back. Let's say a month before neither leads to stay the legends was was the biggest show is smoking resting history and the idea was to pace around all of these returning old old timers like ron right and <hes> you know the fuller brothers or buddy landale or road warrior hawk and terry funk and all these guys has it kind of made a name for themselves in that area and then based around kind of the hottest hottest feuds in the company yeah building to the big show of the main event i believe was the coward waves a flag match and it was cornets crew bruiser bedlam <hes>. I don't even remember who the other heels were now. Oh but yeah there was <hes> road terry and dory funk bruiser bedlam and one other person against <hes> you know road warrior hawk and probably the tracy smothers and bullet bob armstrong and it was and they you know did the hall of heroes are legends hall of fame induction with all the legends and stuff off and then the peak of the big views and this was the match that was because we've been working underneath. We've been beating everybody but we'd only been in the bottom half of the card up to this point and this was the big angle well that was going to put us up into maine events. Yeah it just just for the record is bob armstrong war road warrior hawk and tracy smothers defeating bruiser bedlam dory defunct junior and terry funk with jim corner in a coward waves the flag six man tag team match so once again this is kind of a southern the kind of it's the enemy of southern wrestling so coward waving the flag meaning the southern flag chance whatever flag bob armstrong with why it's a two wave well no it was a white flag all gotcha it was waving the white flag of surrender yeah gotcha gotcha gotcha so that's kind of the vibe you'll said dirty white white boy defeating terry gordy <hes> the of course you had still cigarettes or seventy bodies in rock and roll express brian league chris candido bob morton junior when you're in dick slater versus ronnie garvin and the stopper those kind of the <hes> the legends match their doug furnas defeating killer kyle and then they'll be match was <hes> chris chris walker defeating richard slinger dick slinger. You're not allowed to say that but i think because i remember cornets stanley. He was building towards show and he said if i don't us candidly if i don't sell this show out all run naked to the ring and dance tobacco can block by c._d._c. and i was like that might not be a good way to sell out the next show at the time. I'd like listen. This is a perfect example of guy who's running a company and he's spreading himself pretty thin same way that paulie did bischoff did and vince has done at times where he's just losing his mind i remember he was probably close to three hundred pounds and carry a baseball bat in his trunk and smashed people's windows windows if they piss them off. Jimi was pretty nutty at this point in time we and he was working for w._w._f. At the time too so it's like he's managing yokozuna win w._w._f. He's doing their t._v. Still trying to keep his own promotion going so he was spread really thin and i think that's to wear it. You know my memory serves. Yeah you know while we were supposed to be you know mid card and moving forward often gut bump even further down the card at the ho- shows because i think others were politicking to keep bas down right because once again here's a couple of you know i i was one twenty three twenty four. Maybe <hes> ninety four so i was just turned twenty five yeah yeah exactly yeah so you just turned twenty five and i was you know a shade under under twenty four myself so couple of kids coming in here working our asses off. You know quote unquote stiffen guys which we never were stiff. I mean it's obviously solid calgary style but there's a lot of bumps in the rock and roll expresses finishes ashes is a double dropkick are finishes a double dropkick from the top rope from like you know i'm sure we had a lot of people politicking against us but the idea it was like you said was we had kind of come through the ranks at work with well done and whatever kind of random you know teams there was and then the idea was the big it kind of coronation the coming out party by having us beat the heavenly bodies who were no longer even officially in the territory as they were working in the w._b. At this point so the idea was for us to to face the bodies in this huge angled issues match beat them and then we would. I don't know i don't know where we're supposed to go from there but then we would kind kind of be true main event tag team well. We were going to win the tag team titles because we'd already done the promotional photos with the belts. Oh really yeah because i've actually got <hes>. I don't even someone sent it to me but i remember we took photos with the belts and i've got a copy of us holding the smoking out and tag team titles and like you're done after after this program right you. This is your last match in the territory so it's like we were going to be winning the belts i'm assuming from brian lee and chris candido and dito rate shortly after this because cornet already did the promo photos. It's interesting because you know we'll tell the whole story and it's pretty legendary story about how i broke my arm earlier in the a day but i'm wondering now as i look at the card where the rock and roll express defeated brian leeann chris candido to win the tag team championships. I wonder you know i mean. I don't know if you knew how how long i'd be out for or if it's spoiled his plans i wonder if he would've kept the titles on leeann candido had got hurt and then after we beat the bodies we would go on to face them could have been yeah because i know we did the photos i can wanted this podcast drops tweeted out the photo of us with the smokey mountain tag team belts which we've never one right yeah because it would make sense for us to go straight into the rock. 'n roll express and that's one of us is going to turn heel and you know damn well was ricky and robert. He had no kidding right so oh so yeah so i remember kinda told us this. Please fill in memories that you might have but i think leading up to it. The the match was made and then we had a couple of weeks to build it or whatever it started with the cake presentation. If you remember okay so there was <hes> cornet come out and did a there was no <hes> we came out and it was the fine people of some town that we were filming t._v. Had made a cake to to welcome us to the territory and cornet came out to bad mouth us. Say the where you know a bunch of no talent never done any things and you know you're just green grass and then you do the fake our story jimmy. We didn't mean to do it. Why don't you have a piece of cake. Shove his face into the cake and we get the big pop for taking cornet and that led to the following week two weeks later whatever on television when we got jumped in the morristown gym parking lot by the massed heavenly heavenly bodies that cornet brought in to get revenge for us sticking his face in the cake right this is accurate yes so so so typical southern thing wrestling thing whatever whenever kate comes to the ring someone's getting their face stuck in it and we're trying to find some of these promos on youtube. It's hard to find them sure they might be up somewhere. Maybe the network but it's it's super over the top choreographed that lance and i are going to stick jimmy's face into the cake and i am like you know aping to the camera a total scenery-chewing terrible over the top acting like should we put his face the cake he's going to eat the cake and then i'm making like cake munching motions motion with my mouth and we stick his face. The cake i remember even goes like whoa as we stick him in super over cartoony acting but it was great the crowd loved. It and i don't think you can say you've been a pro wrestler. If you haven't done the cake spot at least one sues find and it was also too because i was a huge midnight express breasts jim cornet fan doing angle. Jim cornet was pretty. Damn cool. Well yeah. I remember when i was in high school. Sorry i i started in college. I wanted wanted to to w w came to winnipeg. I wanted to do an interview for the newspaper so bob. Holiday was the local promoter asked if you could get me a interview with the wrestler for the college newspaper and i suggested brad armstrong he came back and said well brad's nice guy but cornets the guy that you want he wants to do it. So cornet did a interview with me. Basically basically you know in my college newspaper in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine so for me. Even though gosh seem like decades later is only five years later later but to know that like i talked to grow and i'm actually working for him. It was a pretty big buzz for me too yeah and since the heavenly bodies were in the w._b._f. They had well done where masks asks and they jumped us in the parking lot. Remember what was the dude's name. I think it was <hes> the doodoo lived with in morristown cornet had them throw us into his car and identity side of of his car with my head anthony la- monaco no the guy that worked backstage casey casey o'connor yeah yeah they they ran my head into his car and actually dented with my head under masks because they weren't officially the territory so the the idea was it was kind of like a hidden camera footage like an original <hes> bad boys bad boys original cops type of format where i think a little kid <hes> her name the lady who who is like the travel agent her name was pam. Remember that yup niece or nephew or something. She's like you'll get go get his autograph. Go you'll get it and he's going to go get an autograph from brian hildebrand the late great brian hildebrand referee and as brian's being good brother and signing for the kids. We're getting out of the car and then kind of in the corner of the shot. You can see this mast <hes> duo attack us. I think they slammed your head in the door or my head of the door or the trunk involved. It was a pretty vicious beatdown yet which set up the the great promos remember again. We're at your place shooting. The promos is an cornets doing the high end makeup where he had balls of cotton that i had to like jamming might cheek and then he had an ashtray where he's using the the the ash from the the old cigarette butts to put bruising on our faces to to do these promos and we'll see this is a do it yourself territory or jimmy's writing producing producing acting playing part of the show and doing the makeup as well. Yes we lived in the smokey mountain flop house which was kind of a so i guess kind of a i don't wanna say projects but it's kind of a really low level like duplexes because kind of development a complex complex is what the booklet for housing townhouses. Maybe maybe townhouses. That's it and it was built into the side of a mountain so we found it. I found a giant spider in there where i found a nest of cockroaches <hes> if found a lizard like a salamander so it was like wild kingdom in that place and everybody would just show up if someone needed a place to stay they would just come to the smoky mountains flop house and kinda just walk in and out of there so even though technically there's just two or three of us living there there'd be you know here's bruiser bedlam. Here's the gangsters and here's dealer brown. Here's you know dirty. White boy gets in a fight with dirty. White girl comes over sleep on the couch for the night. Who's going to show up yeah. Thankfully i lived in knoxville department with and you are married to so you're out of all debauchery but <hes> but they had us film that's is promo in in in the living room of our house the kitchen table and <hes> it's a great line because you know it's it's this is where we learn to cut our teeth on promos and no writers writers no script and i just remember saying heavily bodies. There's only two things the world that don't forget. Elephants in thrill seekers will never forget what you did and i didn't know the line was coming in the expression on my face said that i was like what i wished i could. I could see i should have done a little bit of preparation of sure somebody it has it on twitter or something but when you guys find it <hes> send it to us on twitter at jericho and we'll post that as well but so that was the breakdown of the storyline the angle leading up to august fifth nineteen ninety four and now we're going to get into the day of the show after i tell you but one of the new talk is jericho sponsors. That's quickly becoming a favorite favored deal dash. It's a really great auction site where all the bid start at zero dollars and every bid placed ads one penny to the auction price and then resets the clock to ten seconds atkins so if no new bids are placed that ten second window the last bidder wins the auction and if it's you your item is shipped for free shipping on deal dash is always free no matter what auction item your bid wins and the auction items that deal dash r name brand factory sealed items. I'm talking about huge flat screen. 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Dash prides itself being the longest running most-trusted auction site in the world so get started today at deal dash dot com. That's let's deal. Dash dot com find items of your dreams at deal dash dot com so that was kind of the breakdown of leading to the big the big match that we said in august august fifth nineteen ninety-four and lo and behold corner didn't have to do a naked dance to a c. d. c. because the place i mean. I don't know if it was legit selo but they sure call that if i'm correct yeah i remember it being that way. Now i also remembered numbered. I'm jumping ahead a little bit for our entrance. I remember as being like behind a curtain at first so i don't know whether there was part of the building was sectioned off or not but i remember it. Being jam packed so if cornet says it was sold out then i don't. I don't doubt that well. It's listed as five thousand. I mean the place might hold fifty five hundred. I remember for sure sure i mean there. Definitely was double the people from the biggest one we ever had because if you remember this the the month before or maybe two months before whatever we had a show at the knoxville sel civic coliseum where the o._j. Chase was going on. Do you remember this yes. Yes i remember watching the bronco chase backstage. Yes the live bronco aqua jason's going on live o._j. Simpson run from the law. A corner had a great line on his podcast where he said he said o._j. Simpson still owes me five thousand dollars from the amount of tickets tickets. I didn't sell because people were too busy at home watching him run from the cops kind of stop people from coming to the wrestling show that was a big deal though oh yeah huge once again the first time you've ever seen a celebrity kind of lose it live on t._v. So so like i said this this crowd here at the <hes> legends was there for the big that i'd seen from from the shows that we done there so okay so we we get to the show and i had i've been going to japan at the time and it was summertime in japan and we were at a swimming pool at a hotel and there was a diving board and ultimate dragon dragon was doing a shooting star press at this time. He's one of those guys that could do pretty much everything it just wouldn't like he did like the called himself the cancun tornado you do once in a while and then they just started shooting star press and i'm like where did that. Come from this. All i do surely suppressed the problem you can do. It and i said what you can do it easy. Drag a no problem problem you can do so i got it in my head that i could do a shooting star press so i went with with anthony. He was <hes> anthony michaels and we went to the y._m._c._a. Swimming swimming pool and there's a diving board which of course diving pool has a lot of spring to it so go to the swimming pool and i could do a picture perfect shooting star press off of spring loaded diving board so then like an idiot. I figured i could do it in a ring rink with no spotter and no padding and just do it so i had tried it once before on a house show and you saw me try it like beforehand and you came right down on your head. I resigned at the back of the the arena area high school gym whenever it was and you you weren't gonna make it you started to us. When you come right down your head. I thought you died. I like randering saddam. You okay and you're like yeah. I'm fine why i think a little bit of matt burn on the one spot on your forehead but i thought oh you died and then i think wasn't that when cornets ring truck broke down and we started we didn't have a rang or it was a different ring for awhile and i think you couldn't. I try it again for like a week yeah. I remember that because there's one point i'm not saying we russell's on mats but it was something along those lines what we're we're we're that ring tracked was working so and here's the problem. It's so crazy because you know the story with my mom and everyone knows that she she was paralyzed was a quadriplegic and i always had like a fear in the back of my mind that there's hopefully that won't happen to me and here i am doing this stupid. Move basically trying to kill myself like you said and so lucky lucky that nothing bad ever happened in that respect but also to and it was the same thing i remember when we were when we were arrested camping. You did the one we'll one. We used to do the air tillman called at the time which was the springboard dropkick and then the one where you just jump straight from the ring straight onto the top post. The top row atop broke yeah now listen. Everyone has different varying degrees of athleticism but when you're first starting out because you could do it. I was convinced if i can't do that. I'll never make it and act dude. I tried both those things. A thousand times didn't even come close to the top rope one. I think i think three good springboards out of fifty attempts but still it gets into your head and that's what i was thinking like. I have to do a shooting star. Press all never make it in wrestling just stupid stuff. I'm sure you go through all the time with is your students yeah. They have all kinds of things they wanna do that. You don't really have to do and it turned out. Okay stands shooting. Star oppressed no all right but then so when we get to the venue and now like you said this is not a high school gym. This is the legit arena. I mean it's the civic center but it's an arenas five thousand seats like we said ed and i decided to myself well. I'm gonna get there early a practice shooting star press and i'll do it tonight on the show because if i don't do shooting the show i'm never gonna make it. I have to do see this so i get there early. Go to the top rope. No no no hang on you went to cornet. I remember i don't please the story. Were you there. Oh yeah you went to cornet and said hey jimmy. Do you mind if i get in the ring and work on a few things before we get started and jim cornet said yeah sure just don't get hurt the famous last words agley so i get up there and i still remember just standing there on the top row because the shooting star press for those you don't know what's the move that kidman did for years. I don't even know if anybody doesn't now because now it's just kind of seem blase like if you can't do like a four fifty shooting star press. It's not even worth doing right. You gotta do the full twist now. Exactly i mean is the move that brock listener tried to do at the finish of wrestlemainia nineteen almost killed himself self as well <hes> so you stand on the top rope you look it out and he kinda swing your head around your legs. Go over the top and and i remember i think i might have done a one one time. I did totally bailed tried it again and in my mind is like i did it but my arm kind of hurts i kinda landed on might right arm on my shoulder armed kind of landed under my chest and then realize it's burning and i'm like oh and i look at my arm and see a divot in the arm. That's not supposed to be there when i say it. It's like if you're walking on a flat pitch of grass and then suddenly there's a whole that's not a whole. It's like an indentation something. That's not supposed to be in my arm. It wasn't there before. I tried it now. Did you see me do this lance. Yeah i was at the i had just come through the curtain ordinary into the coliseum area and i saw you go and you know you get upside down and then you kinda twisted to the side a little bit and landed like like you would if you were doing a top rope dropkick okay and because i like it wasn't quite going right and i'm like oh and then like you managed turn land safely. I'm like okay good good and then you rolled out of the ring. I could just tell something was wrong so like i came down to ringside him. You're right and it's like you're holding your one arm and yeah like if you look at your forearm forearm both sides are straight and the one side was strafed the other side like when in on an ankle like it was dented and you're like my arm arm looks weird and i'm like dude. That's messed up and you're like but it doesn't really hurt and you would hold it and you'd push on it and your forearm would bend to the side search to that's not right and it was it was freaky. Yeah and i remember kind of looking at it and like movie my arm up and down. It's kind of like swinging like if you had like a rubber pencil or something like so. I was like man i gotta go to the hospital and give me a ride to the hospital. Did you because my wife tina tina did. That's what i thought right because my memory is. You didn't really want to go right and i'm i'm like no you gotta go get. It checked out and we asked someone where the nearest hospital isn't. It's like a block or two away is literally across the street and so. I think it's like convinced you. It's like tina will take you and it's like. I'll just stall cornet if he asks. Don't worry about it. Just go get it checked. So tina drove you there and i remember she still remembers members because we had a stick shift in the car we had we had a standard and she had just started learning how to drive it and do as like a huge hill and a traffic traffic light right before the hospital and she was so stressed out having to hold the car on a hill with the standard transmission but she took you to the hospital and then i had to stall cornet well i guess i'll go from my side until we from your side so go to the hospital and i wait there for a while and then go and see the guy and i'm like yeah you know no i <hes> did this move wrestling and i landed on my arm and and you know i wanna come check it out and see what i have and he looked at it and he's like oh. It's probably broken be said the owners. Why don't don't think it's broken. It's because you're not in any pain. He said if you if it was broken you'd be screaming right now when i do this or this or this extra check and we'll see maybe it's some kind of a the light fracture or crack or something sure enough over the x ray is they know it's completely snapped. It's a compound fracture and he goes cancelled laced fracture was that i think it was a displaced because compound means through the scotch displaced sorry so is displaced. Fracture is fracture <hes>. You need to get surgery on this. I'm like what like when he said well now and i'm like wow no no lot i can't do that. I have to and i'm like if i tell them guys go wrestle. There's no way i'm getting out of so i said i have to make a disappearance appearance at the wrestling show 'cause what do you mean parents well. I'm kind of a it's called night of the legends and i'm kind of an upcoming legend so i have to sit in the crowd and wave at people when they announced by name and he's like okay. We'll make sure you don't do anything physical. We'll book for surgery tomorrow at seven a._m. Radio or whatever it is and he goes okay so let me just he goes. You want me to put cast like a temporary cast on it. <hes> i can do a soft one is which is more kind of like a wrap with a lot of velcro and straps and all that sort of thing yeah so he gave me the he gave me the the soft gassed. He gave me some aspirin to kind of help with the pain and off. I went back act to back to the venue. Meanwhile what's going on on your end yeah because back at the venue cornet starting around people up to do all the pre-tape interviews and stuff and you know those calling everybody get your stuff on. We gotta do promos and stuff. Everybody get your gear on so again. I'm joe keener. I've got my gear always the first one ready so cornets ready to shoot. Nobody else has their stuff on so he's like louise's part. Let's get these promos done and i'm like <hes> he's not here eight right now. He's like oh. What do you mean so. I have to tell them that. You've gone to the hospital and he loses his. He's just he's coming back to worry about an order. I got democrat what the hell are these freaking out and so he goes off and does other promos and it was tina. I think that came back and actually had to tell them that yes. It's broken and you have surgery in the morning but i think you had sent her back to tell them. It's like ads broken but i'm going to be there. I'm going to work don't worry right so she had to tell corner. The actually broke your arm but you're still planning on working and he you know lost like jim. Cornet could only lose it but you were planning on working and you managed to make a bag well when it came back and i saw him and he's i wanted to do and i was like well. Don't worry i'm still where do you may just gonna work. I said i'm still gonna work. I mean it's it's a it's fine. It's broken but i don't feel any pain. I'm gonna work and as i show you wanna work yeah. He's a all right who would allow that that just shows the differences twenty five years ago but it might as well be two hundred years ago like nowadays if you have a stubbed toe. They won't let you in the ring if you're not cleared yeah. You've gotta get medically everything but back in the day. It's like you know road. Warrior hawk worked scaffold match with a broken leg. They cut the cast off in the locker room. It's like oh wow guys worked back in the day so yeah. You and you had to talk you to stop because you're still wanting to do everything you'd plan. Because it was at big spot we wanted to steal from from the the rockers orient express match from royal rumbled ninety or something there was this combo spot where they go for the double belly to back we flip and land on her feet to a drop kicking than in stereo dives off the post and you're still planning on doing. It and i had to talk you out of it. It was such in denial you know what i mean like. There's no way <hes> a half to do this and once again still a lot of pain and there's a lot of guys who came up to me. Backstage got back there showing concern terry terry funk was one of them who is like happened. Good guy just being a dumb ass because i'm a dumb ass for thirty five years. Don't worry about it uh-huh and then <hes> a road warrior hawk who i think the only time i ever actually met him said you know it's pretty. <hes> shows balls fee to come back here. It's pretty cool or something along. Those is gave a favourable review in it makes sense for the story that you just told me because i did not know that he worked scaffold match. The broken leg never heard heard that story before and then the vessel was brian lee who came over his manner you okay you're right sure yeah. I can do no good. They give you a pain pills. It's like why is they did. Oh got any extra you actually i think even gave him like the whole bottle like i was so in denial mile and not gonna take any pain pills and quite frankly. I don't think i ever did the whole time. Don't get a pain pill. I don't think he did either because that was was. We're both dumbfounded. It's like even after surgery. You never actually felt like you were in pain. Yeah yeah so so yes and as we're getting ready for the match here's the other side of the coin and there's you and i and you're just doing you know you're you're holding onto this match and and i'm gonna do it regardless but now you've got two other guys in in doctor. Tom prichard and jimmy del ray and i was thinking about this. That's something is all the matches. I've had and i've had a couple ride to carry somebody that was really hurt or something along those lines but to be told that you have to wrestle a match and it needs to be a certain type of match and one of the guys in this match has a broken arm. That's i'm assuming a either. They didn't care didn't think twice or be kind of thought of it as a challenge i don't know how do you think those guys felt about. As you ever talk to him about it. I'm never really specifically talked about it but they they sure did a hell of a job but yeah you had surgery scheduled in the morning for the arm like it wasn't just the is got a cracked bone in his all right right. You had surgery scheduled because it was a displaced fracture and i don't remember even talking to before the match really much. I just remember like you said we're we're gonna keep as many of these spots that we have planned planned or in a do it. I don't remember them. Try to talk out of anything. I just remember them on. Whatever you guys wanna do it. We're here to put you over which is exactly what they're there to do and that's the mindset to do it. Yeah and i think again the the double double dive. I talked you into rocket launching me off the post instead because i was just afraid that on the landing you snap your arm and i'm like dude. We could have bone sticking out here right right and then jumping ahead to the finish. We changed it slightly too. Because i was concerned. I might hit your arm because you're supposed to do a super kick or something. I was supposed to into the springboard dropkick from the outside to bump jimmy into your roll up and i'm like what if i land on chris and so we did the super super kick instead. I never knew that but i want to actually watch the match with you. Last you can describe it to me. If you guys want to follow along at home just go to youtube and search the thrill seekers of the heavenly bodies bodies. It'd be the first one that comes up on youtube nineteen minutes thirty six seconds long. That's gonna watch so why guys are finding on youtube. I'm gonna take care of another great sponsor. 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I don't think i've seen it since we're in smoky okay mountains so let's say ninety five maybe ninety six but i would say the last time i saw this is pretty close to twenty four twenty five years ago. How about you. I would have been more than that 'cause is. I'm guessing a boat ten to fifteen years ago. I transferred all my v._h._s. Tapes d._v._d. So i may have watched them but it's been at least a dozen years. Okay so which which version do you. I have one that pulled up us nineteen minutes and thirty six seconds yep. That's the first one that comes up on the youtube. Search okay so you want to do you want to press play and watch it sure all right. We'll turn the commentary down. It's so funny to see like everybody at home. I guess i should have said this before is just go type in heavily bodies ladies versus thrill seekers. If it's nineteen minutes twenty six seconds you can start with us here. So cornet comes out wearing this ridiculous like gold sparkly deep pants and he thought that was cool. I guess but what's the end that was his. That was his wrestlemainia ten outfit. Oh was it yeah he wore that mania ten scout out of the epilepsy the the the sergeant pepper thing and then you get <hes> jimmy del ray was the epitome of a great territorial he'll he he really really was it didn't translate to the big leagues too much but in these territories mukund singh you put singing calgary put jimmy del ray in in in in tennessee. They're top of the food chain yeah. He actually worked f._m. W before us that's when i first saw oh that's right exactly yeah. It looks like jimmy background because he's one of those florida cats. It's so coronets here doing a promo introducing. His team is <hes> frankenstein place. Jimmy saville rock and roll guy who's always really into the music that was funded by rick rubin at this point in time smokey mountain was he was the <hes> the silent partner that nobody knew was funding funding <hes> smokey mountain wrestling you can see like the terrible kinda crappy lighting like this kind of lighting though where it's just the ring and the arenas dark that's like old school. I really like it listen. That's one thing i'm really wants once again very thankful that we got to work and smoke him out because it really was the last of the old school territories. It looks like it. It sounds like it smells like it and that's not a bad i think because i learned i mean this is where i basically learned had to do. A promo was from guys like bob armstrong and tracy smothers and dirty white boy in those type of guys that even though there are regional channel promos talkers. You could really learn a lot from them. Yeah it was the only real sort of authentic territory. I work. Oh now rock america. You hated the salsa so bad song. Even told the you guys from danger danger that i didn't like it and they have good songs. We've got the race car and they didn't have the barricade widened up the damn thing to get down the aisle. I didn't know that search trying to push the barricade back at the car in oh my gosh to the i think they want to try that in rehearsal yet the ideas what israel i was wondering why that car was a moving. That's the reason why the barricade was pushed into far you could see the guy tried to push it back so they can get the car close drive-in at point three seconds per hour and this and and go ahead well. This is the store of because we're going to come from the other side and if you remember we almost couldn't get through the people because they were jam packed at the guardrail so tight wow now all autocratic automatically. Go faster working so fast. Oh yeah we're looking at me. My right arm is broken and still doing all this stuff with a cast on and working left. I'm like mexican. Jericho headed chico to throw punches with my left. I have to launch you with my left. You're right bunches stiffen the last one they said on commentary that chris jericho who has broken his arm in a motorcycle accident because we're thrill seekers and we do thrilling things. You did nice catch play those guys though they totally yeah now see even though it was once again. It's one of those things. We know that. I have a broken arm anybody anybody watching. This would not even pick that up at this point. There's nothing that happened like okay so jerks throwing punches. Who's really gonna notice that as a fan they might notice or something white on your wrist but they would know why the exactly so you can see that that soft cast their and here. I am with doctor tom and once again. These guys just went dude. I've ever got some stomping the matt there. The vibration from the matt is hurting my arm because you're not supposed to be moving it like like that. You know this is also the first match of ours that <hes> jim ross called and i was a big fan of jim ross. This is huge for me another reason why i was so bummed mm dough to be to be hurt like that but did you see that that lockup i did where i gently placed my left hand on his back. Jack left shop but look at these guys. This is the epitome of just stand there and do nothing and let the heels bump for ya. Jimmy takes such great bumps. Stu the great mark curtis bryan hildebrand this little mullet. There's mullets are still happening in the nineties. Jimmy's got a great one jimmy del. He's got great one blonde ponytail. You still do oh yeah. I didn't get rid of that like ninety eight. Who's your who's your mindset behind the blonde ponytail well. I wanted the pony retail because i realized once i started the heels. Pull hair is a big part of the deal and with flat top they couldn't do it grew ponytail and then to make it stand hand out. I dyed blonde because it was a i was a huge thing mar at one point had the blond flattop with the black scorpion tail totally just ripping it off love. It now wants the guys. Check this out as you're watching. This is nine hundred ninety four so i know you guys see a lot of moves and wrestling and stuff but just just look at the smashing ashen ninety four. It's a pretty pretty intense. You know there's a lot of great wrestler. Look at you man this is to this is the wake again jimmy and dr tom. Don't get enough credit. It's like this is what heals us to do. It's like they were all about. Just shining us look like a million box. That's what a he'll is supposed to to this day well it. It's just not done that way as often it would still work if it was though yeah and i it was just so easy because it's like they again. They called a lot of it. Just do this do this. I'm like you know they do. This was filmed nowadays. They'd have a camera in the back of the hall all with some lighting on the crowd cause us to see how expansive the crowd is 'cause right here. You can tell that it's big but it doesn't look much bigger than like the pavilion in calgary during a stampede wrestling wrestling tv taping yeah they really didn't they probably had only two cameras right. They probably highlighted to so much more to show how much rush things have changed but it was even the way that we put the year of the match very smart. I do a a fancy quote unquote spot at the beginning. We're basically just stood there and those guys bounced off me and then you came in there and did the lion's share of of the shine because you're not the one with a broken arm so works perfectly yeah and and again we needed did you in the the heat for the that's a great spot the spot double flip to the double andre that they might have forgotten the clothesline after i think think just a little bit i didn't wait long blessed probably a two and you never had the steiner esca stan enhances style clothesline to begin with so no once again there you go super kick party. Babies forget the young bucks. We're doing this twenty five years earlier aw and i had just started doing it. It was very good yet the. I don't think i'd even done one either. You can notice to if you're seeing when i stood the tupperware put my hand end up in the air. What my hand up in the air super blood rush. It's not it's not good. I remember i have is getting really swollen at this point to from the blood rushing which is probably why you're not supposed to do physical activity with a broken arm. Let alone gig later. She's no man but there's the clapping and the stopping that was kind of what people in the south you know <hes> that old style of wrestling that people like being kind of cheer cheer lead lead. Shall we say i remember this crowd being really hot for this. Oh yeah no absolutely and that's where they were into it. How 'bout that ran right punches to yell. Yeah never touched looks just constantly fetus stereo stereo stereo picking the hell out of both of craig great great heat spot. There was all that stuff call paul. Do you remember where they just calling you to the ring. I remember that spot being mentioned ahead of time but other than that i think everything was just all that always goals old school hills to be like you know. Stopping hip toss my partner tag. The part of the part of it run in the hip toss ya go on the ground with no matt's just cement floor trying to think i actually work somewhere that there was matt's probably japan. Maybe just a message yeah. I remember i did my very first dive in japan because they had matt's but i tried to plant show and it's like it was just a small little blue matt's japan had and it's like i did the dive and landed and didn't land anywhere near the match when i guess i don't need mats from w been yeah so now i think it was diving onto higher buddha. Oh ezaki yeah he was. He wasn't high abuse yet and it's just young boy so that's cool to jimmy. Jimmy moon saw back back then this is what moons loss of getting a little bit more prevalent you know but not not like now. We're everyone's doing them but i didn't remember that they got a small heat on me. I yeah i didn't the reason why i know that this cornet talked about it on on the podcast but i do remember you doing the comeback now which that's a look double teams that are doing you know y- but this is again this old midnight express type stuff right. I'm not a guy who ever goes back in my day but it takes really don't work like this you know if if somebody was trying to do something interesting and new watched some of these teams and do some of those do some of those moves because no one does the now yeah the revival it does okay. We'll kind of hearkens is an old old school style team as well right. Oh yeah that'd be the reason why so it's funny funny watching this back to its like as i'm obviously way smarter now. It's like they had to do this. He on me because we we needed to get that comeback in by you because if we just did the blood heat on you there would have never been a comeback right right plus. It was a great red herring too. I know like looking at looking at the booking we we followed rock and roll express <hes> winning that's acting titles from from candido and and and <hes> brian so the crowd might be a little burned out on tag team matches so i i would guarantee. They probably didn't have a double heat so by us. Having that it makes match different from their's <music> jimmy del ray with his gigolo dances always good gigolo jimmy del rey. He won the tag team titles in war to the strip club. He let the girls where the built in exchange for a dance and i'm pretty sure when we did that we came in for that sunday bloody sunday show. I think jimmy del ray took us to how is it the most trap which is a strip club mouse's ear moses ear yeah yeah divide membership there. Oh that's right. That's with with these selection election of of ladies s&w the only girls ever hung out with girls from the mouses year which actually plays into a great the story later on which will tell after the match but we do that ring is that a pretty small ring or is that standard but i think this was eighteen so standard for w._c._w. But smaller than w._b._z. but also to weigh softer zysman w._f. Had the really stiff rings. I'll ever <hes> tom jimmy saying there were just so happy to be back in this ring that they'd be willing to take some bumps and all right. Tom was landed on even after you moved aw move the other way i always love the the the heal others the big tag boom look. At least i could do that because those punches ain't happening but smarter worker worker wouldn't even try and throw punches but i didn't know what to do. I didn't have any jumping spin kicks with a broken arm clothesline for ya. One one arm throws one our body slam and that's all him that right there shows you how how how good those guys are basically taking slams comes by themselves just just a little bit of a comeback not much but enough i thinking jimmy always talks thing. That really impressed him about me. Was that sargent slaughter bump that i used to take yes where i would run across the ring and a guy would would move out of the corner. I dive over the top hit my head the posted to go to the ground but the x. axis still wanted to do he said no. We're just gonna hit your head onto the guard rail instead which was is the show he was saving it for because he saw early and he was planning on saving it for tonight yeah yeah he was mavericks. I did it like in everett. Kentucky at a house show in fraternity people but now here's the classic like <hes> got here and combination of shock i think the day of had taking aspirin and in others pushing the razor horford to brian hildebrand. They're handing it off and the combination of aw aspirin that it took at the hospital and then aspirin. I took before the show too yeah because i think i ask if you're all right. You are asked him. I actually just said right there. If you guys missed it rewind it. You'll see you say aspirin brother but yeah this was by far the most ever blend my life because if you see people say like oh jericho gig with his left hand. That's why it's so bad if you actually see the cut it's very small. It's a very small cut. It doesn't have to be you know. It's like i'm writing the gettysburg address by left hand. It's very easy to do but i was so whatever was in my system trumped up in shock whatever it was that's so caused all that blood. I think other than the j._b._l. Eddie guerrero the most blood. I've seen keeps coming. Pick gets worse. I think the term it was a great mood. I think moody had hit gusher. One time we actually hit some kind of a vein or something but once again i mean with the exception of a few crappy punches which a lot of people throw anyways with their good hand. You would never know that. I have a broken arm in this no but this is also to where it's classical harassing. It's like they just have to beat on you. It's it they did all the moves and stuff with me and they just beat you to a buddy pulp and that was always the point because remember cornet cornet told us about this months before here's what we're gonna do in the finish and you're going to get the crap kicked. Daddy and you're going to do that big sargent slaughter bump and then you're going to be bleeding and you're going to be fighting back but you can't do it. They try and into match then you you guys prevail. He told us that he had a vision for that. From from the start of of this feud god your mask but look at that for those kids that are in the crowd. I mean that's that's everything right there. You know so easy to do when you have that prop of blood yeah they're just they're starting to get covered in it. I know there's one point in there where i i i shake my head. No or something hildebrand gets splattered with it all over the only one that got out of here without getting blood all over. There's a classic picture. My book of you and the hornet for the hornet bribes other carrying me out of here. You got this. Look on your face like oh shit shit yeah. You know it's bad when the blood stars dousing your hair. Your hair is wet from blood. Oh it's just unbelievable agreable. You're literally crimson mask yeah and like i said this from a little small little knick of the razor which you could could do it again in probably wouldn't even get anything but it was just just the combination of all the stuff that i've been through that day again. We can talk about ask but like i think you probably could've went and got not ask ditch yeah but you you ended up not for the thing. Was those going to the hospital the next day surprises just didn't have them do a double whammy yeah. No kidding. Cornet wanted to send you to the hospital. I gotta go back in the morning. I'm not going again. I didn't know if he was going to pay hey for those for the stitches because he wasn't going to pay for the surgery or the broken arm and quite frankly shooting that was on me but the stitches he should have paid for had. I suggest that it oh my god. You're a mess brian with suspenders and the bowtie he was a great ref. He was an awesome raffia very animated the perfect size for f you although yeah you don't want the six four ref when bob brown's kid used <unk> bigger than the boys. That's not a good thing the coronet right there just yelled at hill jackson ring the bell the bell cow too so happy now. Jimmy was not happy with my being over animated here. He thought i came back to fassi. He wanted me to be crawl on hold onto the pants and then it just begging begging begging to animated at this point but once again do with three and a half years experience the best they could do no kinetic riddick. You're and now here they okay. You want some more of a bitch you go. Oh my god. It's just dripping. Look at that. The springboard would have been so much better. Would you super hickam. Jimmy said that they had three different cameras. At all the mist you kicking in libya they would sell it yeah. They missed it they didn't i just told everybody i did springboard you once again here here. I am walking way too much time. I could have sold the shit out of that better. Oh my god look at you. It's funny because i remember i was down on the mat on the ground and there was like a little puddle in some redneck was like put his finger on a liquid or something to smelt it or like that's tableau. Let's catch up rate here. We're against the railing. Does it dude screaming the crowd. It's like fake fake and i'm yelling at you. It's like throw your hair back and paintbrush that son of a bitch and you're like what i'm like. Throw your hair back and paintbrush. That's sort never bitch. You're like what did you to code everybody in like ten rows back l. l. the big hildebrand does the big promo there at the got him a bit but he was. He said he had enough but he hadn't had enough. He was man enough to keep fighting and he beat you and then chronic kicks supposed hurts hurts his leg there so okay so so what we're talking about here once again in that situation like it's is covered in blood and you know the sympathy was there but i think that if you watched that match back in i don't know that i have a broken arm. It's pretty pretty basic story. Jimmy did not like it because he thought we were way too grain. Move too fast the stuff but once again he's involved in it. He knew it was supposed to have what do you think about that match. It was good but i think the drama could could have been played out better but you know we were green and you know it was good. It could have been better absolutely but that's also to wear rare and again not the past the heat so to speak. It's like we were really given no direction on how to sell this. I think he just assumed we would do it as he envisioned it. Yeah i don't remember for him telling me like crawl on your hands and knees and then because obviously i would have done that and to me to. You lose a little bit of the detail what i'm thinking shit. I got this broken. Army's want to get through it but i think it's definitely the most dramatic and most monumental matches in smoky mountain wrestling and is it. Actually it was my last match in smoky. Mountain wrestling never worked there again. Yeah i remember you being really hot afterwards because we didn't do a post-match coach promo you like where's the promo and again. You know you wanted that drama. We needed you. I think in the locker room laying on the floor cutting a promo romo missed opportunity because i thought i could be in the shower. It looks like a frigging slaughterhouse and like you said that's one of those gigs that you could try to do that. You know one hundred hundred times and you're not going to get that. We just got lucky in the head that that reaction had that drama from it you know and then i remember we had to go out afterwards words and still signed gimmicks and take pictures at the merge table and i remember i remember i had to or if i didn't the half do it was before it was some point during the night i had to go sign and it was before okay but i still had the broken arm and still do the asset so i had to go and after working there for six months seven months and getting yelled at by cornet for not servicing the rats show we speak because they weren't you know they were well-fed. Country girls shall we say chris can i. I need a pause for like thirty. He's atkins sure great just one minute tonsure so why would wait for lance <hes> to return at the end to go for picky a labor day's just a couple of weeks away so if you're planning one last summer blowout before the official end of the summer our friends at nitsa wanna remind you about the risks of driving drunk you could get in a crash. You could get hurt or killed. It's terrible. Let's take a moment to look surprises. Statistics almost twenty nine people in the united states die every day and alcohol impaired vehicle crashes. That's one person every fifty minutes five zero even though drunk driving fatalities of fallen by a third in the last three decades driving crashes still claim more than ten thousand lives lives each year. That's ridiculous drunk. Driving have a big impact on your wallet as well you can get arrested and incur huge legal expenses. You could possibly even lose your job. So what can you do to prevent drunk driving. 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If you think it's no big deal okay drive sober or get pulled over so so the funny thing is that that after all this time with with you know tornado alley girls and all this stuff i go and do this signing beforehand and these two girls came over to me and they were like a mock say they look like daisy duke from dukes of hazzard but they look like daisy duke producer has and there's two of them and they might have even been wearing daisy dukes for all i know i i don't know for sure i just remember thinking finally some hot country girls and they wanted to meet me after it cotton joe's which is one of the bars in town and i was like dude. I'm and finally and you the chance to hang out with some hot chicks here and lo and behold stupid me breaks. My frigging arm gets cuts guys there and have to go stay at your house overnight senior career ride to the fricking hospil at seven a._m. Because we bandaged yup we went to shoney's afterward. Oh my gosh did did cornet. Give us any feedback. Do you remember any reaction afterwards from any of the guys or anything from jimmy tom i don't the only thing i remember is when we got back into the lock was the you know the shower room that had the thing in the middle middle is just one big tiled room when you went in and hung your head down through your head back to get your hair your face and left like a red stripe up the wall across ceiling down the other aside but yeah i remember saying thank you and so forth but other than that i don't remember much i think it was such a days because you know what's at stake right of having this broken broken arm and all this stuff and so we went to shoney's and then we went to the hospital and you drop me off for for for for arm surgery yeah we went to shoney's <hes> we went back. You stayed at my place. Because you lived out of town. I lived in knoxville and i took you to the hospital in the morning for your search because they said it was just day. Surgery read the in and out in a few hours so i waited because i was going to then drive you to johnson city tennessee to be in my corner right yeah. I was gonna make that show how how the hell would they think he's not getting a steel plate. Put in my hand my arm well yeah. That's the thing i i don't know if you remember this or not but because i'm sitting there waiting waiting and then after the surgery the doctor comes in he's like you need to talk your friend into staying. I'm like what do you mean you said he could go home afterwards as well with the surgery like this there could be complications and if you know the tendons of the nerves or whatever he says his hand could start curling up and we'll have to go back in and if we don't do it right away he could end up with permanent like club hand and i'm like shouldn't you have mentioned this to him before now well yeah but you need to talk him into staying because he wants to go and they pull me under the recovery room room and you're still like still drugged up from surgery. You're like all dopey lay and they're like. Do you think i should do and i'm like. How is this my call now like. I don't know how much this is going to cost. I don't know if you have insurance and i'm like well. You don't want your hand messed up. Maybe you should stay and you're like okay and then i'm like i guess i'm leaving them here and i had to hop in my car drive to johnson city tennessee. It's so funny because i remember <hes> if i had surgery wants to two times after don't remember but you stand there and they say you know countback from one hundred and you're lying there as one hundred ninety and you're done on and then i woke up and i remember just looking at my arm and had the big cast on. I was just screaming. I'm alive. I'm alive. I'm alive and as a gift to calm down sir. I know but i'm alive. I was just so excited that i was still alive. After this my goodness so <hes> <hes> just as we wind down here you end up going to johnson city and it was supposed to be thrill seekers versus bodies a return match. Who did you end up working that night. I worked could the bodies who is the fire on the mountain show and it was the i started in a handicap match against the two of them and it's it's a cornet classic spot. I've even used it booking in here locally but you start as a single or a handicap and when you're at death's door a baby face runs out and hops on the apron it was tracy smothers and does the the hot tag spot to blow the big comeback and then i ended up getting back in and making the pin for the victory so i i beat the heavenly bodies the following night and then i think the third night because this was that fan week ten shows in ten days or whatever you were at ringside for the rest of them but you missed the one one because your surgery he came back and got me and then we went down the whole loop and yet like you said i was i was the surgery boy from then on broken arm and <hes> i think i probably ended up leaving smokey mountain <hes> <hes> beginning of september or so and <hes> and that was it for me i was done i was gone forever from smokey mountain an and you stayed a little bit longer basically as a single. If i recall yeah i stayed as a single until november because i had like move my wife my belongings and everything you could have packed up and put all your stuff in a car and like day probably right so i stayed through november. Then cornet just couldn't afford me anymore because he'd lost the rick rubin backing and so forth so i stayed till tell november but yeah that was that was pretty much it for you. You know a couple of weeks later because you were going to go back to japan yeah that's what happened. I went to japan and kind of <hes> stayed there and and and at that point in time at already told jimmy that i wanted to go to japan and he was cool with it but i had to miss tapings and i remember just telling i'm gonna have to miss you know easier next tv taping which in that day and age do four tables a week so you're basically out of commission which of course crossword screwed you up as well and i think at that point. My goal was always to work in new japan and i think there was some stuff about the night allegedly that kind of bugged me. I don't think coronet really showed much concern. I think he's still pissed off at me. He didn't from what i recall. He didn't offer to pay for my my stitches. Maybe he did but i just thought you know when the time comes. You know it's time to split for me. It was time to split it was kind of the end of the run there and that's where i really gained a ton of respect for bob armstrong yeah because he he was only in for a couple of shows. We didn't see i am a lot and i remember it was after you left or just after you had the surgery. It's like every time i saw bob bullet would always ask how's your partner doing. You're just wanna make sure he's all right and he checked up on you way more than than jimmy or anybody else did. I always thought that was a real class. Act and i've always just been a huge fan of the armstrong family since because they're all like that yeah he was the only guy ever called me from smokey mountain and ask so it was doing and i always i'll never forget that you said always got a special place in my heart for for bob and all of his kids kids because of it so <hes> but once again i mean if you're going through the pantheon and the story of our careers i know i hold smokey mountain in very high regard hard for what i learned there at the experience of kind of being in the last last official territory shall we say <hes> in that area and you know do we got a chance to go all the way to the top and work against jim cornet and even though it was just the one match is probably one of the most famous matches and one of the most legendary matches and smokey mountain wrestling history. Yeah i learned so much there. It's like so many places and that's the key. It's like you know i i wouldn't be who i am today if i didn't have that time so i i'm super grateful for it last question for who's your favorite <hes> person to work in smoky mountain. I think i probably had the most fun with candido because i did a lot of work with him. After you left i i did <hes> a lot of runs with chris and we lived in the same apartment complex. We spent a lot of time together. We trained together at the gym so i i really liked. 'cause i learned a lot having the the heavenly bodies call me through those matches for those ten days but afterwards. I worked a lot with candidate and that was so much fun. It's my regret that i didn't get a chance to work us. Versus heavenly bodies more because just just by watching that you could see just how good they were and they were. They were a world class team that you know w today probably would you know talking about the revival. They would have been that that style of a team that would have gone a lot farther because they were very small back in nineteen ninety four four four w was doing at the time so i honestly had fun fund working with well done as well especially steve doll. I thought it was a pretty smart guy and <hes>. I'm not sure exactly what i learned but i learned a little bit about ring awareness and presence and just i you know what a good he'll does and how he feels a baby face and kind of a a a poor man's version of the heavenly bodies you know they were they were another great great regional tag team that would never really done much outside of that and they didn't but to work with them in in that timeframe is a lot of fun to yeah although just to. It's gonna end on a sour note but it's like other than dr tom yeah the three of them are all gone. I know i know i was just looking at that lineup. If you go to is actually even on the show and that night legends. I mean <hes> see if i had it here just looking it up because doug furnas has gone terry. Gordy is gone road. Warrior hawk has gone both are <hes> jimmy. Del ray has gone yet said brian hildebrand yeah exactly you never really notice it until you see all the names the credit chris walker has gone. Is he dead. I'm not sure i wouldn't be surprised sounds familiar. Yeah i mean i think killer killer kyle. He might even be passed away. I'm not sure but dick slater is stopper is candido is allergies. Jimmy is like like you said <hes> terriers hock bruiser. She's rooms or two cheese. Yeah a lot of dude's gone but you know we learned learned from all of them and it was a is a good time in our careers for sure. Absolutely that's such an important time in such such a fun time tube who've driving all those towns yeah can those times learned a lot of rock and roll express driving them dr dick murdoch around a couple of times like you know he don't get a chance to be with guys like like that anymore you know and actually i just they just shared it was dawn. Callous was somewhere in california playing basketball. Do you remember we used to get to the some of the gyms early alien. It's like we'd shoot hoops with the boys. Yeah yes youtube and listen to ricky morton. Tell stories that he's still tells the exact same once thirty years later but those guys were so much fun to be around god. They were funny. Yeah i think i think we would have had even a better relationship this job within the longer. We were there because we came in. They're probably thinking who the hell of these guys but once i think i think we proved a lot with that match and then unfortunately that was kind of the last one that we had there but i think whatever respect we didn't have before nine alleges we definitely got it during it and after it absolutely absolutely all right well thanks for taking me to the hospital at pre sheet that and even though i would have rather have went with the the daisy duke chicks other than them. I'm glad that that you were there to it. Helped me out yeah. That'd be a story. You probably couldn't share so. He ended up better off all right dude. I'll talk to you soon man all right. Thanks chris. Thanks for all right. You can see some of the storm us think adamy students in the new amazon comedy series paper champions debuts on amazon prime august thirtieth. Check check that out and of course do it. 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WKPWP - Thursday Flagship - Keller & Powell talk about the frustrating Reigns push and speculate on All In's impact (9-20-18)

The Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast

1:49:28 hr | 3 years ago

WKPWP - Thursday Flagship - Keller & Powell talk about the frustrating Reigns push and speculate on All In's impact (9-20-18)

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There is the showdown event in Australia, and then at the end of the month is the evolution show, but there's not that I'm like, we just had Helena sell something we would normally have every year maybe ever. Lucien becomes that. Maybe it's a smokescreen, hey, look, the women get their own show too. So don't don't blame us for going to Saudi Arabia. I, yeah, yes, it is weird that we're actually going to have a month in WWL because this happened in in history. I'm trying to think if there was ever a m- may or there might have been a March that did not have a pay per view, because sure the Royal rumble in January and then something in February, and then wrestlemainia when take place until early April. And then there'd be a late April, nod, wrestlemainia regular pay per view. So we probably had a March without a pay per view. Now October not saying it's without a pay per view because that would be diminishing the women in what they're doing. But the women's pay per view means there is not going to be a chance in October for the first time, probably for WWE fans in Harvard long to see the men's titles defended or the meant champions wrestle on a Sunday night, pay per view. Now, of course, we have super showdown in crown jewel, October six, November second featuring the man. I believe Saudi Arabia exclusively featuring the man and a few days before that we do have evolution the all ones pay-per-view. I'm curious if this is an aberration because of it who knows? You can't predict a your head right now with anything, but. Politics, sports, Jimmy Butler wanting out. We're just talking about that off air. You can't predict anything your head, but WWE, especially, I wonder if ever Lucien becomes in annual event. If it does decent numbers, if there isn't a Saudi Arabia showing on a stray leeann show or do they go back next October to some, you know, just regular mixed gender is traditional paper you? I think it depends on what they're doing Saudi Arabia. We know they have like a ten year deal there. So I do soom. It becomes part of the regular schedule. Again, it's just, you know, hey, the women are getting their own show to or not so bad. That's all I see. I think the most interesting part of this is a lot of us were wondering how this was going to work without the men's pay per view before crown jewels announced, look, they're gonna have to give the women's center stage. They're going to have to build this up. I don't think that happens now, and I'm really just look at the way they've flippantly thrown out hatred, Radisson leader, returning to the. Rent it. It doesn't it just right in there still time to change. But right now just almost feels like an afterthought because they're so focused on their big stadium shows. I, the idea now of having a women's only pay per view, and we joked about how how they just gushed about how this is life changing at AJ style said, my daughters have finally come out of their bedroom. They think the world is there which just like come on, have some self awareness. You're overdoing it and they've slowed down on that. But this now that there's a Saudi Arabia announcement just a few days after evolution, it sort of feels like evolution is the scrap that fell off the table for the women as opposed to this big deal in historic moment and to me to put Aleutian so close in proximity to crown jewel. The next Saudi Arabia show because it's October twenty eighth revolution, November second for crown jewel, it feels like now evolution really was, and not that this hadn't been talked about and might not happen anyway. I'm saying what it seems. Like is there's going to be looking at this going, oh, the women got their own pay per view as a little, make good, a Pat on the head of bribe, almost for the people. You know the fans who would be upset about women being excluded again. They get their own show simply because we caved in and sold out to a country that is inexcusably behind on allowing other cultures who they want to be part of their country to actually bring their culture with them and have women treated equally or in the same category as men. And I'm sorry if Saudi Arabia wants Americana culture of WWE that includes women wrestling, it includes women announcers includes women, ring, announcers, and WWE deserve scrutiny. If not criticism, if not shame and it's a lot of money in, it's easy for me to say it wasn't an offer made to me, but I, I don't have all the money I'll ever want in the people making those decisions and WWE have more money than they'll ever need. And they still did it because of the excuse while we have to do what's best for our stock holders, we have a fiduciary responsibility. Well, okay, you can do that. But a fiduciary responsibility means flying coach. You know, if you're an executive because you can save money, not having. Jet, and you can still get business done. Just fly first class. I mean, we can. We can nitpick whether every decision they make is out of comfort and convenience or morality or not for the stockholder. So I don't know to me, this just makes up Aleutian feel like a patronizing Pat on the head as an excuse to soften the blow of WWE. Once again, peculiarly having this major show featuring only men and that's assuming it's only man. We don't have the full lineup in. I'll put a little caveat out there. Maybe WWE will impress all of us play hard ball and say, you got your first show without the women we took. He, we're bringing the women. You can tear up the contract if you want suicide. Good luck. You don't get it way. Everything's improving. It just takes time. I mean that what they've been. Yeah, it really tarnishes evolution for me again, I I wanna see what they do with the Bill. I, you know, I'm not sitting your demanding equal promo time or anything like that. What we're going to know just by watching it. And I mean, look at all the time they're dedicating to the Australian show. And yes, it's I what they're giving undertaker triple h on Lycos lengthy promo segments. And again, I don't expect women to get equal time. But right now, I mean Trish Stratus and lead a return. Those are the biggest legends they had that you can get back into w we rent at this point and they don't get a bunch of fanfare, I, it's, it's not in, oh segments dedicated to announcing this. It's just casually mentioned. It's just thrown out there that tells me that, yeah, this this paper view. It's an here you go. Here's your women show where we're going to give you that now. 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So Jason, let's let's get to actually want to continue a little bit on what we're talking about on WWE schedule. I thought they were better about it on smackdown. I talked about this on the post shows, especially after raw, the last two weeks. I felt that the hype that the number of events and new shows that they were promoting at once in a three hour. Ten minute period was overwhelming. We are totally on the shape. I was laughing listening to your show the day after because I had the same theme knowing on my Audie review the same night. Here's the list that I can. You had things that they were throwing at US Super showdown evolution crown jewel smackdown mix match challenge tool, five live on a different night and x t the may young clash. IQ total divas, and then you include a plugs for the marine and also their charity efforts with Connors cure and and the American Red Cross. And you know, you probably miss them. Did you miss one WWE to k. nineteen there you go? Yup, there was another one there and then they're also replaying hell in a cell. Watch the network. If you're not a subscriber. I mean, that was kind of implied in there too. And you know, I mean, don't abuse by looking at this going. Wow. We're so successful. Look at all the great things that are happening and they have steered this company corporately into a great spot financially. I mean, there's no question about it and the number of things that they have and the partnerships that they have this, you know, if a pharmaceutical company sponsoring matches now, I mean the days of not being able to get people major blue chip companies to sponsor pro wrestling. It's over, you know, I mean that that congratulations to them for that they can't. They shouldn't. They ought not probably the best way to put it lose sight of who brought them to the Nance, which is pro wrestling fans and be sure they're serving them now. I thought they got better about it on smackdown the next night. I thought thanks cool down a little bit, but there were just in it got back to seeming like thank you for tuning into a show. We're going to reward you with the show and not just an incessant barrage of plugs being thrown at you for all these things to remember. But I, I'm curious if it just it is an aberration. That total divas happens to be starting. The video game happens to be coming out to five just happens to be switching days. Mixed mess- challenge just happens to be launching a day later and then yes, they Saudi Arabia show happens to kind of overlap hype wise with the stray leeann show. I mean, this is a confidence that I doubt will occur again at this level, but it is. It is something they need to be cognizant of as they present the product because it felt like every segment was just sort of conveniently, like even the two women segment or the to the women segment on rob with Rhonda in the rain segment at the end, they both sort of just magically led to three on three, hey, oh, wow. Look, these three heels faces. Guess what? They're fighting a few weeks on this paper view instead of having them score off and go. Now we're going to have a match that aim, the match led to an angle which conveniently led to, oh, guess what we've already announced this match. And so everything just felt orchestrated to it to put. Hype on a future show, which of course is what wrestling TV shows are meant to do. But this one this show in particular it it. I don't remember anything other than maybe last week's raw being as bad as this, right? And I find that insulting to the viewers who pay attention to WWE that that don't just watch the shows when you're sitting there acting like this is a a match or just announcing now, and it's a huge deal and they're going, you know, you announce this like three weeks ago or whatever it would be. I get the not everybody pay them does more than just watched the ship, watch the shows, it's new to them, but why insult your corner audience like that? I think they feel as if they have no choice at this point. But here's the answer. Okay. Okay. Don't announce those ahead of time. There were certain matches. They announced such as new day in the bar. They announced it before the number one contenders match for the shot at Helena cell which the bar was part of. So you're like, well, who cares if they win? They're gonna get another shot here anyway. Did you really need to tell in Australia that you're going to get the new day against bar? I mean, did that really move another ticket? Just list the new day and the bar and then add the match at the appropriate time and same for AJ and Joe, I can see AJ and show selling some extra tickets, but guess what? You know couple of weeks later, they're still going to sell those tickets. I and one little thing I noticed they were talking about eighty thousand fans at one time Elliott. Now they're talking sixty thousand. No good, really good point. And I think people in Australia, paying top dollar for tickets are looking at this going, oh, we're the kickoff show for Saudi Arabia. I, you know, with what they're doing with punter and taker, and then Sean and Kane also being there. I hadn't thought of that. But yeah, in a way that's what it is. I mean, there's. The six men takes warm up for the triple triple threat title matching away. True. Yeah, I, I still think it's going to be a big deal over there and had maybe they get to eighty, but I but I did find it really interesting that all of a sudden the number they were throwing out dropped. I wonder what that says about ticket sales. Yeah, Jason from Australia with my co host on the post show after smackdown earlier this week. And he said, yeah, it's going to be sixty something probably and it's not not a sell it. I don't know. I mean, don't be does not like empty seats in buildings. Now that said, there's not going to be empty seats in the building because they'll they'll find a way to cover them up or maneuver the fans where there's never a camera angle that shows it. They're masters at that. This isn't going to be world class. Jacob wrestling at the Cotton Bowl were for four, four weeks in a row as they air matches from Bill Mercer says, there's a traffic jam outsiders, tens of thousands of people lined up trying to get in. You know, they'll they'll find a way to make it look spectacular because are masters at that, but the the the talk about announcing things ahead of time. The announcement that the w-. Winner of them is Dana, Brian match, get a title shot. Okay. You can help set ahead of time to help sell tickets if you think it helps to add a meaningful stipulation to it, but you can't have your announcers, be shocked at the end. Yeah. Yeah, you're the announcers have to be that you can't have fans watching going. Do they not read Twitter? Do they not like look at their own PR like it just you can't add the announcer seem like they're not into the studio ISIS. Either announcers, pay a lot less attention to what's going on w. WBZ in the viewers which is an awful situation to to be in. If you're a company, putting announcers on the authorities or number two of the authorities are liars. They're actors faking their way through it, which of course they are in, you know, in a way people understand that they're calling the action and serving the company, but you don't throw it in the face of the viewers and break the narrative kind of pack that you have with fans by having. It feels like now they're pretended to be surprised when they're not in that makes their emotion fake because they clearly knew that step ahead of time unless they're completely out of touch which might be worse and therefore their emotional reaction to other things. It's also manufactured and fake, and you don't want to remind people that it was very clumsy of WWE to do it that way. Did they really think that announcing that the winner of that match gets a future title shot sold one more ticket. It's going to see mizzen Daniel Bryan. That's what they're paying. So why not just go ahead and announce that match and then add the stipulation on smackdown because I don't think they can keep track of anything. I think there are so many things happening and there's so much money coming in and so many matches and events in lineups to fill that the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing when it comes to the stipulations in promoting. So I think that is that's, that's playing a factor. I mean, it could be, they think it doesn't matter and they don't care, but it also could be they're not planning out when they a lineup, they send it in and then it starts getting promoted. And that's one department in on the creative side. They're unrolling the announcements in a way that they feel is most dramatic on TV and WWE thinks the audience that sees the local advertising and reads the websites and sees announcement on social media is somehow completely different than the TV audience. We're supposed to be. Shocked along with the announcers that MS and Brian, the winner gets a title shot. So. And I believe I could be mistaken because they've been bartered as with so many things, but I think these were matches. You could go to their website and click on that show and see the lineup, I believe so too. So I don't think it was just well, you know, Hayward's getting out online because it's coming from Australia. I think it's no, it's on their website. I mean, if they're taking the approach, we don't care. That's lazy. And if it's well, I, if it's what you say, you know that that different departments don't know what's happening. Little quality control police it Jason before we continue our conversation or go ahead and talk about your website and your podcast and social media. All that good stuff. Yeah, PW boom is the place to go. PWB dot com is the place to go. You can search pro wrestling boom on apple podcast at is my free weekly podcast. 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Brock listener interrupts the hell in a cell match attacks, both guys, the match just as called off. I feel like Monday's Roz. I reflect back on Sunday and Monday. They diminish tooth things and to people in the process, they diminished the value of the Helena cell match being a place where it's going to be settled. They're locked in a cage, and that's a valuable concept match that you don't want to destroy. It used to be if they're locked in a cage that no one could get own could get out. And then somewhere like in the nineteen nineties people learned declined cages. And that was ruined. Because in eighties, it was like, oh, they're in a cage. Nobody can get in and out. That's crazy. Imagine such a thing. So this will get settled. No interference, no escape. The idea was he'll get strapped in the cage with the baby. Face and the and all the heels France won't be able to get in because there's a cage which now we think about that. It's kind of ridiculous. You just climate cage again, really small world class championship. I think it was done with the really short cages. Yes, I know I know and then you have and then in the WB just started doing this stupid thing where you climb out Caja win, which it's like, are you kidding me? Like everybody who had grown up watching traditional cage match? So like you're not supposed to show people that you can climb out of the cage, much less, make it easy to do it much less have the goal of the match to be to run from a fight. I mean, that's just ludicrous. It's such a stupid rule. I'm still bitter about twenty five thirty years later after WB introduce that. So where was I? Oh, yeah, so so they, they kind of damage the concept if not ruin ruin at that once its locked, you're going to settle the score, but you also hurt the idea of the universal championship match mattering because you, you had the bronze Roman cash money in the Bank, which by the way they just totally forgot. About don't mention brought as mentioned. Now you don't mention it, there's no case, but that was why he got that shot at that moment. And then Monday comes around the matches called off. They don't restart it on Monday. They don't announce. They're gonna redo it on Monday after Brown road. They're just like, well, you know, since Brockton the cage off the hinges and we had to call the match off. I guess that's it. Bron doesn't get his one on one title match that earned or that he that he cashed in four and Roman reigns didn't seem to care much either everything, just sorta like, all right, moving on. We're moving on now which I think made Braun look weak, and I think it made a Roman look like he was sorta like I woke up still universal champion. Woo, that was a close one. Thanks Brock. I just didn't think it was handled well from Sunday night in the main event through Monday. Jason did I do agree with those points more atom I am. I thinking my picking on small things that no one's thinking about, no, they things that people are thinking about the the the counter you'll get from people is we'll look. They did with the, I think the first Helen itsel, Cain debuted. So it's been established. It doesn't matter. It shouldn't happen. You shouldn't continued. I've said it seems like the creative forces at not just in WWE, but we've seen this over the years. It's almost like they go out of their way to find ways to ruin their gimmick met. Like, how do we get around this and have the outside interference that we want rather than how do we book a really good gimmick match and preserve what the gimmick is supposed to represent? And I, it's frustrating to me. I love Jake, learn it, nailed it. By the way on the on our our member -clusive audio show afterward. He said, we started the day with a tie with the Packers and Vikings and we ended the day with Thai with Stroman. I, I actually tweeted pretty much exact same thing. Yeah, I was like, I had to put up with the tire earlier in the day and now this. Yeah, I put that on Twitter too. So no, I think anybody who was watching that football game and then watched it essentially tied Helena cell had probably similar failed. So, no, it was a, it was a frustrating frustrating finish. I think I think beds does Brock. I mean, do you think realistically, Brock, listener showing up did make up four to some degree? Do you think fans like, well, yeah, I didn't get a finish to the match, but I got to see Brock leisure. That's awesome. He came back what a shock. This is great. Like, do you think that happened in the house maybe to some extent, because you know, Branca's been getting booed. They've labeled him as to guy who doesn't care about you. The fan doesn't care about this company and there was a pop for know they stood. They reacted favorably when he showed up, but they also for the second pay per view in a row, raced off the air to avoid any type of fan backlash, showing it on on the pay per view. So I think they were well aware that there's going to be at least a good show of the live crowd. That doesn't like it. And for me sitting at home, it's like, okay, Brock is back. I don't even feel great about this because I think Brock needed more time away and I'm not anxious. See him in Roman reigns. Do anything together ever again, adding Strom into it helps, but I'm just over it. I am so over anything involving Brock and Roman reigns. So for me, it was just like, no, this isn't enough and it. It really was disappointed because I enjoyed that pay per view until that point. And I just I'm sitting there watching this going, okay, we've seen Roman reigns be destroyed by Brock, Leser in matches and keep getting up. We've seen Braun strowman take abuse and he always gets up. He, he beat them up a little bit, and the rep is is fearing for their safety or are you kidding me? It wasn't even well done. The idea that Braun enrollment would be laid out that long just grew to be ludicrous, and it was like, don't pay attention. It was like, don't pay attention to the wizard behind the curtain or you know what just like, look, look over here. Look over here. There's somebody who's gonna fall out the cage battling top of the cage. It was it was it really stretched the boundaries of of suspension of disbelief. And it took me. It took me out of the moment. I mean, it just doesn't make any sense that they'd be down that long. At the lengths that WWE continues to go to mask or prop up. Roman reigns is it's getting ridiculous. I mean, he's back with the shield and in that twelve EON can, yes. Yes, it is. I mean, I, I know people are happy to see the shield back together and you'd be like, well, that's just because shield a big deal. But I think we know that Roman, it probably isn't back with that than dean if they didn't think they needed Seth in dean to help keep Roman for being booed. And then you have this main of patch. And I wrote this in my report in the scene torch newsletter. At some point. Romans got to be a big boy. You know, he his victims a big dog. He's got to be a big boy. He's got a cut the go home promo like a baby face champion does and act like he wants the championship and that he wants to defend it that he's in jeopardy, but he's confident and get people excited to see him fight because he's too cool to do that. And at some point and I'm not in this isn't just about like Joe, the guy who plays Roman Ritz, because I know when I don't know Roman reigns of time about the totality of how he's presented him, not put it all on him. Because as he said, he just does what he's stolen hopes to get rich. And I do harp on that, but I think it's so fitting for how he approaches how care to come across on television. If you're watching him as a corporate career. Nation being put on television to represent the corporation, which is how it comes across frankly. But at some point, Roman reigns needs to be presented as a big boy who can cut it. Go home promo like every other top baby face in the history of this industry and every territory ever did. It's it's a necessary. It's it. It's not necessarily WBZ making tons of money, but it's a necessary part of being completely baby face. And he also needs to at some point, have a one on one match with the, he'll where he from start to finish. That's what you're watching. And then there's a and then he wins and everybody's happy. But instead you have a Helena Sal match he and bronze Roman should be able to with all the brain trust all the smart people in WWE map out a really compelling seventeen to thirty two minute main event match that between those two that ends with a Finnish where they own the match that they booked, and they don't have to have Seth than dean Andrew del fighting on top of a Cajun falling through tables, and they don't eat Brock coming out to interrupt the match. Brock easily could have come out after a conclusion to the. Match in set set something up. There's all kinds of ways they could have had a finish to the match and then added stuff afterwards. I just at some point and I just wanna see Roman, be a big boy and grow up and be that top lead baby face who sinks or swims on his own and the amount of resources that are going into prop him up and protect them from booze and protected from having to actually finish a match. That's good. And all that right now feels like too much and we've seen him do it. It's not that he can't like he's had some really good one on one matches, but he doesn't have Brock listener and John seen. He doesn't have like those top tier guys who can carry him at some point. Part of being the big boy is being the better wrestler in the ring and elevating the he'll opponent, and I'm waiting for that to happen. And I hope he's capable of Jason. I two, they script him show poorly Mondays. Another example of a to that the match was bearing Hormann. So the story is even gives himself the title match, abused his power because he knows Roman reigns is injured. He's injured coming out of the hell in a cell. He had access to the injury report is what is how he explained it. So Roman reigns cuts, a promo just like it's any other match. Just off the that he's injured. Yes, I'm not an underdog. I'm a big dog. He's he. He, his persona is a shoulder shrug. He is a human shoulder shrug, and that's one of the reasons why people still boo him because he's a human shoulder shrug. He's just let me just get back. I'm just going to. I can't wait to just chill out with my with my friends, whatever cool language. He's gonna use. You know that that you know that that's some weird USA language on raw as promo Monday to like. He just wants to chill out with everybody after it's everything's cool depending school. Well, yeah, because you've got chosen to be the guy. You didn't have to fight for it in a way that others. Had to fight for it, and then you go out and stick your foot, your mouth and all these mainstream media promos and say dumpings and you still get pushed. You got all these wrestlers who fans are vocally choosing instead of you and he's still gets pushed. And of course he's kind of and laid back because everything just keeps in these. It's not an easy life. I'm not saying that, but relative to the people on the roster who he is being propped up by and put above. He's had it easier than them because he was a chosen one, and you want to feel like that guy and there's nothing wrong with being that guy. If you've got the look and the professionalism and you're, you're, you're a guy who management could count on to not create trouble. I mean, those are all great traits enrollments by one of the guys, you know, like in terms of behind the scenes to work with and he might be one of the best dads. This isn't a personal thing. This poorly. About the honor character and the role, the top guys play an honoring that spot. Shawn Michaels talks about so much. What would what a weight on your shoulders. It is to be that top guy, Bret Hart talked about when your champion different different responsibilities come within in that locker room. And he just sort of looks at seems to be presented and carry himself. Like, you know, I'm just kind of do what I'm told and not get too worked up everything just a shoulder shrug and I think fans would. And this isn't like he doesn't belong there. This is more like this can get him to the next level. If he just acted like you cared sometimes and it feels like he's too proud to show that he cares about something like this in a way where to the level that fans do. And so you get the kids in the women and the people who are who eat what they're fed by WWE. But you don't have that moment, Riga chills because he is worked up and we saw that with Daniel Bryan, we see it was Seth Rollins. We see it with AJ styles has Roman ever done that, Jason. I don't think he has. But I, I mean, again, this is where you blame creative. I don't think they want. Him to do that. I, I don't know if he has within him. I, it's hard to say. I think he probably does, but I think they wanted to be this laid back. Cool guy all the time. Never flinch, that sort of thing. And you're right. It's very limiting as is I man. I normally it's like he has really entertaining matches more often than not, but I am so tired of Panch clothesline kick superman Panch and spear. What else is there? I think that's another thing that they choose I, but I, at some point, whoever's making this decision needs to say, let's work in something different. Let's try something new other than just that same very limited move set. I I totally agree. I mean, I I, I've said it for years. He he, he wrestles like a twelve year old with video game controller and with who's got four favorite moves are only four moves that he knows how to do on the video game control. After it, he is a ten, eleven twelve thirteen year old. He's control. He looks like he's control by talent. Twelve thirteen year old video game controller hit the same big moves over and over and it's it's just not. I mean, there's been way worse wrestlers on top wrestling companies, but Roman has the athletic ability in the potential to do more and he's add good matches. But when will he have that statement match against somebody who's not better than him by a big distance? And I don't know that that's happened yet. You know his, his big, his really good matches have been against wrestlers who are better than him and part of being a big boy, not just the big dog as a top central lead baby face is carrying enough to push for things that grow your character and and getting better in the ring so that you'll the confidence go out there in carry baron. Corbin do a better match than people expect a really good match or going out there with Braun and figuring out a way to grow. Oh, beyond the small, the small number of moves that he does over and over and just go, give us eighteen minutes. Let us throw the house. Don't let us tell her story. And part of that is w w didn't wanna own a Finnish. They wanted to protect Braun and protect Roman. So they did a cop out finish, you know, and they felt well, it works because we want to do a triple threat with Brock and Brock sold a title match, Brock, Tehran Taryn door off the cage is going to be this big moment. And that's all true. I mean there's been much worse, cop-out finishes and pay per view history over the decades in different companies. It was a spectacle and Heyman having the guys bring the cage door out on Ron Monday. What was a cool visual? And it does set up a gigantic match gigantic setting and Saudi Arabia. It's logical in that way, but it still comes down to if you're going to be the big dog and your promo consists of you just short on your shoulders at the odds being against you, and I'm not the underdog on the big dog. You know, at at some point of baby face has to show jeopardy, so that when you make a comeback fans think you're accomplishing something and it just seems like he doesn't have that. And I think it was what Jericho on a podcast, rain set. I'm getting could matter. San Roberts we goes, I'm gonna the point where I have the clout where I can push for something on my own. You know, early on, I kind of had to make sure I didn't step on any toes or seem like getting a big head Raines is at that point deep into being the top guy, he should be a heat, some of the responsibility falls on him. We can't constantly just say like if you're complaining about what Byron Saxton saying on TV. I mean, that's Byron's doing what he's told. You know what I mean? Like you can't really. Get too hard on him. Unless he's doing what he's told poorly in, it seems fixable or you know, it's absent minded, but with with Roman, he's got cloudy. He's atop guy. Every other top guy who's ever been in that spot has had enough clout to to push for, and he was respect. Every other guy was respected enough to be listened to when they had ideas on how to make things better. And, and I just wanna see Roman show that fire and show that he's not just a walking shoulder Schroeck. Is it the era? I mean, we were the way rent McMahon kind of top down Steve Austin on the podcast about just the way the way what was do you remember the wording about how the company has changed since Austin has been there? Yeah, I'm Vincent mantle and Steve that he just said yet. We're big Republican trated where a publicly traded corporation, Steve. I think that was what he leaned on if that means anything, but you know terms of how how you have you start to yourself. It's just natural corporate expansion and growth. You know, a lot of companies are conducting themselves differently than they did in the nineties, but doesn't mean the fundamentals change or that you have to incessantly, say, sports entertainer or Samoa Joe's gone into the WWE universe. It's just things are things sound stupid whether you're publicly traded or not right now. But I, I do like to culture so different. Now the if range did speak up, it would be held against him. I just you don't hear about anyone rocking the boat anymore WWE. No, no. And you could say reins of making good money and. WBZ making good money and why would rains wanna rock the boat? And it might not be as personality when we might be asking. So it'd be an extrovert who's not, but from a from a very specific standpoint, this, what launched this discussion is Roman reigns twenty four hours after being in a hell in a cell and being destroyed by Brock listener after fighting Braun strowman for fifteen twenty minutes. He's now being put in a world title match against the guy with the power to book himself in a world title match. And I want Roman EEO I think Roman so worried about being a complainer and being a Wigner, like he was after the Saudi Arabia, willow hit the floor of split-second. First of all, I should be championed it's like really that much of a tech. It's like neither the Packers or the Vikings should be complaining too much about not winning the game based on a referee call 'cause they both had chances to win and they both blew it. So horrible calls against them because the NFL has figured out that if you create a new controversy, everyone will forget about the last contract that she, I really believe that, but way, what. It sounds conspiracy theorist, but I really do believe that that's part of this. No, no one's talking about who stood or who Nells or anything like that on Sunday. It's all about hits on the quarterback. I say, if you're going to quarterback keep your feet on the ground, once you lift your feet off the ground so that then your body weight has pointed down and after the point of impact as charging at them in that, has there been, has there been a roughing, the passer call where the guy tackling him didn't lift his feet into the air in as with the goal being to drive his ribs into the ground after you tackle them. And I'm not saying that that's not going to far anyway, but I think that's a reference or looking for is if you throw your feet into the air after you have a grip on the quarterback that is excessive force. And if that's not the rule that seems to be how they're calling it, and they should just tell the defenders that and then that's the rule and stop complaining. This is the Rodgers ruled. So I don't think the Packers should be complaining about because if Rogers ankle, if you're in Roger and complained last year, this real won't be in place. So in a sense, it was Justice. But, but that whole other, that's a whole other conversation. But and I knew I trigger something, but by point with my point with rains in Saudi Arabia was if your contention is I was cheated because a split second sooner I crashed through a cage door in hit in gravity, favored me slightly over leisure. That's hardly item superior and I was cheated. It's like it was a close call, shut up, win. The match decisively, don't leave it up to the referee blinking at the wrong time. Like it just was. It wasn't did not serve Roman reigns. Well, that that was a line that he fed them for a while and I've just I've seen good baby faces who take the lead and take command and lead the fans, and Roman still isn't doing that. And if he could just flip that switch and be booked to do that in scripted to do that and act like more than the life is a shoulder shrug, my God, he could really connect. I mean, it could really connect and take off, and I just think WWE is in a different world creatively. Enrollment to not if even thinks about this, he's not taking the initiative to make it happen. So part of my frustration is the potential of Roman to get over the hump and I'm frustrated that he's not because of that promo, you brought up Jason with Corbin, which is a great example of whatever on the big dog. By the way, what are they going to do for wrestlemainia made of it? They they have the rock coming at because when you're giving away Stroman range gear and I know what to triple threat, you're giving it away again in Saudi Arabia, everyone on the raw roster has been completely diminished outside of the shield and the dogs of, or I believe they're calling them. There's nothing there. So either it's the shield in a triple threat or they have somebody coming in from the outside. I, I agree. I killed in a triple threat is a smackdown Mehtab it. I mean, that does not feel resume data me. They better really make that they better really seem special that is dean amorous returns. He I just I don't think Vince McMahon cheese at his, his wrestlemainia management, dean Ambrose would not alas clean to drew McIntyre if the goal was for dean Ambrose, turning heel to mean enough to make that originate event against Roman reigns. I thought that was the most significant match outcome. The last three days, Sunday through Tuesday was dean lose include to drew. It signalled drew. Vince McMahon seized drew as a big time topped your guy that he's investing in its Drew's pushed to screw up and I only well, I'm just saying, I think the wheels are in motion that path. The courses there and with dean, I would say that it was like a meant to diminish dean, but it it says, dean is in a similar place as he was before his injury, and he's a the third guy on the shield with a quirky personality who eventually will be turned heel in maybe sooner the later who knows. But it won't mean a ton because deemed by the way talking about Roman reigns being a shoulder shrug dean hasn't had that mission statement promo since he came back. We're waiting for it for a couple of weeks, and then the shield reunited were like, oh, okay, so we just going to be the guy who makes funny comments, someone backstage, and then that's it. There was no mission statement promo upon his return, and I'm big on mission statement promos. When you've been out with an injury or like a Bobby Lashley making a return, you need to set the course. You know, Randy or turned heel, and he sort of has issued a mission statement. You know he did in the. Production truck. We can pick on the execution of it, but he looked at that he'd be grabbed that director gave them a shoulder massad, which then got a little rough and then instead, yeah, what I did hardy is nothing compared to my next victim. We now know owns mission statement. It's torment one person at a time and in do so until somebody stops him and that works. I, I want mission statements and I think that denarius miss opportunity or they miss it opportunity with dean. And now somehow he's just another guy and he's been downgraded. So circling back to your question? Yes, absolutely. All feeling Saudi Arabia with a major show trying to sell tickets in a strategy to get eighty thousand. Now they've spent some of the big matchups and you're to the point now where they better have, like you said the rock coming back. I mean, Ronda. Rousey against Charlotte, headlining wrestlemainia. That's cool if that happens. And if they tell a great story and that's why they did what they did with Becky to kind of protect Charlotte until till they get into that mode. And if that's what they do. That's cool. That's a moment. And in its again, it'll feel. It's being done to make up for Saudi Arabia, unfortunately, but it's still be a cool historic moment. But I, I don't see anything on the horizon for Roman reigns looking at either roster or special attractions that I mean, you can't bring Batiste in and headline rains against Batista and I don't think WBZ Easter on good enough position where WB would even promote them that way. So it seems like Roman against rock is the one option. I mean, who who else is there? I mean with all, due respect to Jericho, he's not a top three matchup mania at this point. He's that fourth from the top cool special attraction. So I, I mean, it's a little early to to write it off, you know, but I'm not seeing what will seem fresh enough to carry wrestlemainia. I all shares for jerk. I think there's a story you can tell with him in a top rematch if it's done right, but it's not Roman reigns. Ventures idea the headliner even if he goes with rows Charlotte on top into actually close the show. I don't see it that way, but I do think you could tell a hell of a story with him and AJ styles for instance to to make that world title match. But no, you're right. I don't think he's not the answer for this. I it had they, I would hope they're not just we'll, we'll figure it out later. They're usually much better about that. I mean, we've heard stories events knowing exactly what his wrestlemainia main event is for the following year at that. And you know it just knowing year ahead. So I would hope that he knows what it is, and I hope that it doesn't involve John CENA. I mean, I, I don't know what else you would do because if you don't get twin Johnson, you right Batista that would be a tough sell on at, and I don't understand why they're not on the same page. Unless this guy just, you know, he's saying the right thing publicly and then you find out what he wants, seven billion dollars to come back or something. I, I don't get it. I do. They are they in such a bubble. They don't realize that this guy's become a much bigger star since the last time he was in their company. I don't think they have and I, but there's gotta be something else behind it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's been, he's not afraid to criticize them. I know that's what I really wonder if it's that simple. Okay. So here's, here's another angle on wrestlemainia ties into something else. I'm gonna talk about because I've been talked about, talked to you since all in. Ken, this is two parts. Ken, Kenny omega Cody, the young bucks, heck Adam page. What you'll can that group come in and do a a nexus, n w outsider shield type invasion as a unit and have enough of an impact to be considered a big enough deal to solve this wrestlemainia problem that we were just talking about a couple of minutes ago is or is that being a indie bubble or a new Japan bobble or an all in bobble where it's like, no. I mean, let's let's break this down. You know, Kenya mega it is known by us of relatively small percentage of WWE fans. It's not it's two percent. I mean, it's a lot of people know who he is, but I bet if you pulled people walking out of WWE house show the majority won't pick out Kenny omega from a picture of. Adam page. But then if you asked edit, WWE pay per view. Ninety nine percent of them would probably know just the way that works. You know, I'm not maybe like I don't. I don't get any ninety dollars. Yeah, I don't percent, but, but I guess to get rest, have wrestlemainia seem like recipe. I guess my question is, would I would at work in Vincent man's underselling and underestimating the impact of Cody and canyon the buck, or is it is it? Is it not that big of a deal or is could they be that big of a deal? And then kinda partout, I guess, is would Vince is there any chance of man would see them as a big enough deal to just go right from right from the Royal rumble to wrestlemainia and Bank wrestlemainia on mid-quarter, Cody lower card, small guy of flippy flop ironic tag team, the young box and this kind of queered Kenny omega guy who's the top star new Japan but hasn't sold a, you know, hasn't quote sold a ticket in the United States. Like I'm saying, what Vincent man might diminish them as in his own mind and in his inner circle public impact, could they have in his at even on a? Should it be on our radar as possibility? No, because of. McMahon, I think there's a way to do it, but the problem. Okay. A couple of things here. Number one, I don't think bench has seen Kenny omega. I mean, maybe clips. I, if somebody made a a compilation for them or something like that. I mean, I asked him Rauch about I was on his podcast last week and and he kind of felt like he, he may know who he is basically, but he, you know, I, I don't think Vince McMahon is sitting down watching Kenny omega matches. I really don't. And so even if you get past that, if. I just I don't think there's enough time you would need. I remember talking with Eric Bischoff about this one time to where the advertising the marketing end of things I it's done so far in advance that something happening quickly before wrestlemainia if on that level for headline match, don't get your hopes up. Doesn't mean they can't be at mania, be poor of mania and something fairly big. But I don't think Vince McMahon is going to Bank on this guy who's currently with another company even if they're giving sheri- that. Yeah, he's he's coming. I don't think he's going to Bank on that as his wrestlemainia main event. I, you know it, it would be different. If maybe right now, Kenny o. mega was contractually free and they signed him maybe then. But even then I still, I just don't think Mitch McMahon knows who these. I mean, look at the way he if you believe Rybeck version of events, you know you're going to beat that little Torp AJ styles. You didn't know AJ styles was, but you know, he had. Had some idea, but he doesn't. He doesn't pay close enough attention to other promotions to book income and talent that way. I think he he knows Cody is and if people them, we'll code as a big deal. Now he might take a chance on a Cody on a higher spot on the card. And I think he would Kenny omega right now, but you could also make the argument and I'm not advocating for early that it might be the other way around that. Vince might look at Cody as being defined as amid Carter in Kansas, mysterious, exotic factor from new Japan who he's never had on his show, doing a nose hair grooming gimmick, and so we can. We can mold him in shape him to exactly what what we want it. It's going to be interesting my my hunch right now and it could change tomorrow if I talked to the right people or have a different outlook. But I just think they're going to Kenny Kenny and codeine of bucks or can keep doing their thing. Can he's going to earn for another year or two at least? Can he's going to do this thing? A new Japan. Codeine among is gonna do another all in. And you know Cody can pursue his acting and be his own man, and in being control, the bucks can be at home with their kids and families. And so I, that's kind of where I lean and and I'm not sure that's the wrong decision. I is awesome of an experience is all in was for, I think just about everybody in that building and probably who watched it on on pay per view to a high percentage. I just don't know that Cody and the bucks and Kenny instantly translate in the way that that the I think it's more nexus than it is the outsiders. You know, like I just I think it's like, who are these guys or the? I mean, obviously there's fans who would pop for them and they were, but from Vincent man standpoint, I just don't know that he knows he's going to know what to do with the own box. After the quote, invasion is over after the arrival is over because there these small guys who are tag team who don't match up against his other top top guys, I could be proven wrong. And if. Decided to go in with it. I think he could make it work, but I think it would take Vince adjusting to the bucks and I'm not sure he had just a talent like that very often. Yeah. Well, and they don't do anything with tag PM's for getting. Okay. Look. What look what the raw tag division was before they put shingles wrestlers together. Again, it was joke on smackdown. I think they have some depth there. They don't do anything with it. It's just new day plowing through people right now. And I know they kind of hit a rough patch there with the bludgeoned brothers with with Rollins injury, but it still didn't feel like it kind of like we're just getting to the point. Now we're blood brothers are going to start to sell and have more competitive matches, and it could have been good, but it, you know, it's just kinda like, well, you have your tag team champions wherever they're facing that month, and then everybody else is doing parody stub. If they're even on the show at all, there's no real effort made to. And that's exactly what's happening on raw. I, they're building up AOL p so maybe they work them in. If say, Rawlins and Ambrose were to win the tag titles, maybe a o p comes after them, but who beyond that know. So if I'm the bucks looking at this and I want to be I if creative is a big part of it and it's not just all about the payday, I'd be fearful of working for Vince McMahon. I mean, he just he hasn't cared about tag teams in years. He hasn't shown any consistent attention to the tag division in a long, long time. Now there's any issue. I mean, there's been rumblings and probably more rumor and speculation than anything that maybe just maybe vents goes off into the sunset and does the XFL thing I wouldn't about the time. WWE goes on FOX, not saying there's anything to it, but if there were well through the bucks, hey, what if we, what are we writing out next t- until triple h takes over, then I would be a lot more optimistic also. I mean, which isn't that long time if that time Lavers anything to that we're events would go away. Basically, you know a year from now and. And and hunter would kinda soom control of day to day booking that I would be a lot less on. If I'm the box canny those I'm a lot more open to that possibility just because of what he has done, an annex t he takes care of the incoming talent really well, there's not you don't see the. I just remember when it started when when they'd start bringing in people to annex t all the concern. Oh my God. What are they going to WWE's minor league ran, what are they going to do with these? And he's taking care of everybody. I, I really struggled to think of anybody. You can look at a guy like Donovan die, Jack, and I wish they were doing more with him. But if you came in with any true name value, he's gotten the most out of that talent for bind large. I mean there Joe was a little disappointing there, but he's still had a successful run. But yeah, I mean, it's just, I think hunter does. He he's paying closer attention to the scene, and if he's not, he has people who are who are doing a really good job of keeping him informed. It's just it's. So much different or not even anything, but just outlined outside WWE. The the thing about books, everything you say about triple h is right. And I, I would. I would more look forward to seeing what triple h did with the arbox than dread it, but I will put throw it a cautionary note. There's a WWE style of wrestling andled. Sure. Adam, Cole wrestles, Kyle O'Reilly wrestles. It. Like the guys who we talk about them using well, had a WWE style coming in, and then they talk about how you know the I'm working. I'm even working smarter now that I'm here and you know, with these smart people, you know, kind of, you know, critiquing the craft in the art of matches the bucks, like they guess they probably could do it. I mean, I think they're really good athletes are smart guys, but maybe they just be like, well, yeah, now we're not as Cody told me on the show. You know, we're not the ironic wrestlers and eating completely flopped guys. But I mean a big part of the the box is just like dive dive dive, super, kick parody parody level of super of super-k, super kick party in the fans love it. They eat it up and they're playing to their audience and and there's nothing wrong with that. If it works, there's nothing in professional wrestling is wrong. If if the reason that you're drawing crowd reactions and money is what you're doing. Now, there's times you're doing things at a time of success and you're doing dumb things even though you're. Successful because the success is in spite of certain things you're doing like shoulder shrug promos from Roman reigns, for instance, call him back to that. I don't think that's helping business. I think you're getting away with it because businesses so good. Otherwise with the bucks, they're ironic parody style wrestling. That's just not going to work in annexed. It's not going to be a lot. They're going to have to adjust their style. And so the question is what's left and how much of what's left work. So I think there's a lot left after that, and I think they'd be fine, but it'd be a different act, you know, then what they do now. And so it would be interesting to watch, but but going back to something you said a minute ago the I don't see the box, signing an annex t counting on the idea that that Vince will step down and triple h will, then you know, move them to the main roster and and and present them while I much. I mean, annexed guys just don't make enough money, and I don't know that they're going to blow up the salary structure for the young bucks and have them spend one or two years getting overpaid comp-. To the rest of the roster because they're the bucks and they promoted and sold on all. And I think WWE at this point, especially with the Saudi money coming in and the TV deal money coming in and a nice, you know, lower than they want and less growth than they want. But on nice steady stream of network. When it come in, they're not gonna. It's always felt with everyone going bonkers over. Oh, they should've done more at w. w. WWF who was a gold mine. Yeah, but it was disruptive and I don't think it's man is into disrupting things and then working with talent, unfamiliar with him, but paying them more money than the people who brought him to where they are today. And I think that's the concern with Kenny Cody and the bucks is if they're not main roster instantly like AJ styles was, I don't know that they're going to be getting an offer that's enough to keep them from continuing doing what they are having a blast doing I, I was around Cody and Kenny and the bucks and at all in before the show watching during the show and it was around him and talk to all of them after the show. That they were on cloud nine like this is not. This is all it is not some strategy to get a w WBZ deal alone. I mean, it certainly it helps position them for that if they want it in the offers there, but they're loving what they're doing. So I just think all in all, I think it's more likely they just keep doing what they're doing and stay happy, and as opposed to go to WWE and taking the chance that they're that they're ruined and they end up not making. I mean they'd have to have guaranteed money in the seven figures. I think to get them to walk away from where they are now. Well, there's been that rumor that, you know there have been some. There's some high figures floating around on the WWE would be willing to pay. I look. I mean, again, that whole theory comes down to it's a conspiracy if bench really is going to step away around the time that FOX starts, Dan, you're only talking about what eight, nine months that they'd be annexed of hundred just kind of wanted to stash them. They're right, and that's where that comes. I don't think they're to want to go there and sitting next t I also I do wonder, I mean, looking at smackdown lately, Wade. I just see it as a very different show. I don't see Vince McMahon's fingerprints all over it. Maybe something like Becky, Lynn, Charlotte. I hate to just say, well, it's only the negative things, but it's kinda the stubbornness there, but it doesn't have to be. I really wonder how much Vance is paying attention to smackdown right now. And if that's where those guys would fit better. And I know you know, you're now help. Smackdown becomes the ACO, but I I could see that being a huge boost and you kind of let them it just kind of settle in on smackdown and then and ideally they get a strong push their and eventually is still running the show over all. Then maybe just maybe he sees something and but yeah, I mean, again, going back to the original idea, I don't see it for this year's wrestlemania. I think the idea of Roman reigns and Kenny omega is attractive to the super fan. And there's a lot more super fans in there once were, but I don't know that it it's something that's going to appeal events. Do you think it means more and fans of the bucks Cody and Kenny would like it more if they showed up on the main roster and a big angle or does it work better to have them take the Adam Cole Colorado, Bobby fish now Roderick strong route with undisputed, Aaron, how them do their thing and annex t works a main events. You know, developer characters on TV takeover specials, and then there's an anticipation of debut going to roster and they've established themselves not just with with the new Japan or a wage all in contingent of fans, which is substantial, but it's two hundred thousand. Some people watch it on YouTube. It's this isn't, you know they're not. The bucks aren't being the elite is not doing two million views per week. So an exte- does increase the awareness of them and it allows them to orient themselves and earn earn the phantom of fans who who just simply aren't watching the other stuff. Is that better or do you. Strike with in kind of a whole Nash style or next style? Whoa. Look at the. They're here to make a statement and we haven't seen them in annexed for nine months. What's what's better for fans of Cody, Kenny in the bucks in what's better for WWE. It show tough to say because again, it comes down to Vince thinks of them and events is only knows Cody, and it just heard things or seen brief clips of the other guys. Then probably an x t, I, you know, but you're going to get the fans complaining, ran out of the gate. Someone will accept it and be like now it's good enjoy while last because who knows what happens when they get called up. But I'm with you. I mean, there's no guarantee. I know kodia said they're all sticking together. I still, you know, I, it sounds nice. But if let's say the bucks look at WWE and go man, that's really attractive. We thought you guys were going to do the same at some point. You just you gotta do what's best for you. There's rumblings of another potential player in getting involved in the wrestling industry. I know when I was on with JR he would just outright saying that he predicts there's going to be a new player by this time next year in the wrestling industry. So you know, I it, it certainly seems tied in with those guys. So my. If there is somebody willing to put up a lot of money for something involving Cody and company. Okay, that that's a significant. I could see where that would be appealing if they get some assurance, they're gonna make a lot of money and have a lot of stroke, right? It's, you know, if it turns into, well, you can stay with ring of honor and new Japan and do your all in events, but there's no guarantee and meanwhile, WWE's offering you a fortune more money than you expect it. I, you know, I mean, I'm not saying they would all jump at it, but I do wonder if that foundation would crack a little bit. And so in some of these guys would be like, we got a cash out, you know, we, we wanna make our money now so that you know, we don't wanna do is when we're fifty, would you rather have if you're Vince McMahon? And then second question, if you're triple h Kenny or Cody as a top, you know, main of wrestlemainia may enter a top heel or face on raw smackdown who. Do you think Vince would do better with and would mean more. And who do you think AAA to do better within mean more? Is it a slam dunk for one or the other? Is it a close call? I, you know, I think it's Kenny pra both, but I, you know, again, people who've talked about beta. They don't know the Cody would rise above where he was at last night. Certainly think he would. I could see Cody being the the WWE champion on the smackdown side. I definitely could, but Kenny, I think there's just more upside there. He doesn't have the stigma from his from a previous and I know he was in their developmental system, but still it's events and Cody. He just, I don't know. He never seemed to see it. Maybe things would change, but I really think KENNY'S guy that they would look at it as having the most upside potential and and if they get to know him in how passionate he is not the Cody isn't what I think, you know, that would ultimately charm them, and I wouldn't be surprised at all. They're getting to know one another at this time. Yeah, yeah. So I don't want to bury the leader. You're talking about Vince stepping down potentially when the FOX steel kicks in. If Uber longshot again, this is I don't want Jason Powell's reported because I mean, I'm just saying there's been a lot of speculation, but yet, yeah, but I think the speculation comes from places that have been, you know, a student in and accurate at times with things that are big. I think this is a type this has type of buzz to it where it's like, well, you know, give some credence to it and it it makes sense. That triple h is getting to the point around fifty years old where it's like, all right. I mean, like, let's let's let them do it and not that Vincent board and maybe Vince will never ever step down fifteen years from now. This'll be some flashback podcast and people laughing at us because Vince eagle ship, I. So, yeah, this isn't like breaking news, but. It is do think WWE would be better off if they did that transition. And do you think corporate America and FOX and NBC universal are okay with that as has triple h in reality and in terms of how he's been presented to to to the corporate world, do you think they're ready to embrace him as that guy, you know, letting Stephanie and hunter or the faces of the brand more so than Vince. Now Vince is the legacy guy, but is he the Al Davis in hunter and Steph or the the young Turk geniuses who are running the front office while Vince is a figurehead, have they done a successful job, kind of with Vince stepping into the background little bit creating that perception at all levels among ardent fans, casual mainstream fans, the majority, the majority of the fans and in corporate America and the TV executives it so hard to shape record in America that the effort is certainly been there. You know, we, we've talked about it before you look at the articles that came out. About how the FOX deal was made, and they couldn't wait to tell you the triple h and Stephanie McMahon, where they're invincible band was not there. I mean, does anyone really think that they're sitting there passing numbers around with FOX? I don't. You know, they're, they're on. They want that perception they want to. I think they're, they're easing into this and into that potential change, they want it known that poll. Avec is a bright guy, and I think it certainly worked with bands. I Burma creative standpoint. Yes, I think this company would be much better than just because of what we've seen in the next tea. And I know he's, you know, he's said some of the conference calls that it's different running next. He were it's an hour versus five hours in an x t is I don't know. He said this, but it it's catering to a little bit of a different audience. Then what the main roster is or trying to be all things for all people. But so he says the right things there, but when push comes to shove, I don't. Don't think you'd see a dramatic shift from what he doesn't annexed. I, I really think that that's his vision for professional wrestling, and I think that would carry over to the main roster by and large. So I with the band's, I think they would totally embrace it. And I think there's a way to spin it to the corporate world. That in events is still it can make it seem like hunters in charge of the day to day advances, still very much involved be want to even if that's not the case. I think there's a way to spend it to them if there is a concern. But yeah, I mean, I think they have really slowly, but surely tried to make Paul avec and Stephanie McMahon seem like they're the future. So anything happens to Vance, you know, this is the succession plan and I think they've been pretty effective in with in people who are listening to show like this and it just publicly just trying to make them out to be in a Stephanie's appearance on that CBS show the undercover boss, and you know, just some of the different things and always. Hot leading her. They they've, they've worked hard at it, but it's just so hard to say what that reaction would be from corporate America Wall Street when it comes to wait a minute, Vince McMahon is out. I just don't know how they are going to take that compare all in and it's creative vision and execution and connecting with that fan base in the way that they do to triple h in annex t I'm such a big fan of of an x t the the weekly TV show is done the takeover specials, triple h and his circle of people present professional wrestling the way that I like it the best. But I also think they presented in a way that I think can be successful on a large scale. I mean the things that are bothersome irksome about the Ron smackdown product or for that matter impact in our wage. They're just not. They're in annex t like I just, I just think annex t is the best version of a professional wrestling show driven a professional wrestling brand that unlike new tremendous driven by a weekly TV shows because. Is nutrients about building too big shows telling long story arcs with legacy stars and telling long-term stories, and then having payoffs big shows. That's wonderful. And I don't mean that with any sarcasm, but it's not applicable just lifted up in a forklift and drop it in the United States with a model that's necessary, or I don't know if necessary as word, but that that realistically is what WWE needs for what they do. They have five hours of primetime TV to fill with a ton of money, monthly pay per view specials in an annual wrestlemainia annex t is a really, really well executed vision version of of that of what's necessary. And so I'm a huge fan of annex t and I haven't like I been shy about that all in though tapped into something different in. It's a different kind of style of professional wrestling more comedy at Skoda, call it ironic wrestling. But then yet Cody with the old school NWEA thing with Nicole this and the way that was all presented a lot different things to talk about the difference between the vision for an XT, the division. For all in if a blend of the two would work, if both of them would work separately and how how they're different to you, as we look sort of past, perhaps the Vince McMahon vision dominating the national and international landscape to me, I mean, annexed is an approach that will work. It's pro wrestling it. It's basic pro wrestling and a lot of ways when it comes to the creative of it doesn't mean there's not intricacies, but when it comes to they're not. They're not trying to reinvent the wheel. They're not trying to be sports entertainment if you will. It's more of a straightforward product. I think that's what will appeal to the masses all in played to their audience. And so. It hasn't really been tested on a worldwide level to see if that's something that would blow. I tend to think that if I don't like if they if there is if there were to be a startup with all in either the folks behind all an Cody and company, I don't know that they would take the same approach would I really wonder if it would be, you're going to get elements of of what they did it all in, but they're, they're also going to try to appeal to a wider audience. What do you think about that? I think they would have to adjust it. I think they would. I think that what all in does is working at a certain I mean, well, I mean, as I answer the question, I I sort of do wonder what it would how much how big the audience is. If they had a larger platform for that approach is because I'm not convinced either. I guess I'm not convinced I'm hedging a little bit in terms of weather, the approach that they take on being the elite, the the kind of clubhouse wink, nod. Inside joke, you know, we're, we're not, you know the, you know, haunted boots and, and you know the, the Joey Ryan thing taken to another level cashing in on the the knowledge that these these, you know, ten thousand ardent fans have of the significance of Koto Bucci and Ramos stereo taking against each other. And that just moment of hushed. Whoa, this is cool. MO, like a lot of what makes all in work is all those things. Does that work amplified or does it adjust? It has to adjust to some degree, but does it adjust and become something different or does it simply adjust a little bit, but but still like be essentially what it is now in. And I don't know because it hasn't been tried, and that's where it's fascinating if Cody in the box and Kenny and who, whether it's. Are, you know, are wage going to another level or a completely new investor. You know, in Cody becomes the triple h of that company or triple h in and the bucks become, you know, the the people behind that creatively and and businesswise. But there's this big financial investor and a big corporate structure in a big TV clearance. I mean, if they land on on TBS as a signature Saturday night primetime show from, you know, eight to eight, ten eastern live every Saturday night. I mean that changes the face of professional wrestling in the industry if they have to, you know, Turner money or TVS Time Warner money, whatever, whatever the ownership corporate name, our for. The s I'm dating when also made you and I would never get another day off ever again. Oh, I know. I know we get Tuesday nights off. Well, that's true. Yeah, there is Tuesday. Wieldy. That's it, though. Yeah, in the year. So I mean, I would change this and and I wouldn't rule that out and it would be super exciting. If if you know again, I'm just throwing TBS out there as as an example. If they just went back to Senate wrestling at two Cody and the bucks and and Kenny and and and they have a working with Japan, but they're not dependent on it. I don't know if it's in and we don't get bogged down on all those specifics, but that that would change things. And then we would see if that vision. But you know, Conan, the bucks have competing visions, they'd have to blend and merge them, and it worked on the scale of all in. I just don't know what form that would take when you know a billion dollars is on the line and not one hundred thousand dollars or a couple hundred thousand dollars, right? That's what I think you get some of it. I I do. I think you'd get a taste of it. We go. Like what? Just hypothetically, if these guys were to book their own promotion, we've seen making book willingness style. We don't know that you know that it would mesh well. I know that's basically what we're talking about it, but there's no guarantee that they can book well for others in and beyond what they've done on YouTube. It's one thing to have a great idea for yourself. Some people are very good at knowing how to book themselves others, arguing that they can come up with ideas for a lot of different people and not saying the can't. I, I don't know, but it's a lot different in, especially when you go from doing a a fun YouTube show you can be loose and and not worry about sound quality even to all of a sudden and you're, you're doing this on a weekly basis and you have an hour or two hours or whatever it would be to fill. That's that's a lot different. Yeah, it goes from a hobby to to a why. I don't wanna diminish what what the bucks do as a hobby, but approaching it like a hobby where you get to, you know, the stakes aren't Italian. You're not answering to somebody else versus, oh, man. Okay, you know? Yeah, it just it's just different. You know, it's it's different writing a novel. As a hobby. In having a book publisher, you know, give you a hard deadline and you're obligated. And you know the the idea it when I'm inspired, gets replaced by need to do this displace other things I'd rather be doing. Yeah, it becomes a different job description. So if what, what Jason other were few weeks passed it, you know, pass the the hysteria and I think well, earned of all in. And I, I know from being there, the passion and positivity and good vibes and embrace of what it was going to be and then fulfilling its potential and being that was real from from someone who wasn't in the building, but but sought on on pay per view. And now a few weeks out what looking I I hate to say looking back at all in, but it's been a few weeks looking back at all in was was too big of a deal made out of it, or does it seem like, yeah, it's a big deal and the follow. It's going to be there what? What's your take? A few weeks out. It was a big deal. I don't know. What the future holds happy asleep, but it was a big deal. If I mean, just we, I don't know what the pay per view numbers have come out or anything like that. But looking at the the numbers aged on WGN I'm for show that received no hype on WGN. It was all online, maybe a little bit bare minimum from ring of honor. I would say and not much else. It mostly word of mouth and an internet to do just shy of two hundred thousand on a Saturday night on Labor Day weekend, that should open some is in the television industry. I would think I know impact is bigger numbers than that on almost every week with. I think there's been one recent exception, but still this is a have to factor in all those things. And it just that the the little promotion that it received as far as traditional television is concerned. That's huge. The pay per view itself real. I mean, I, it was fun. People went into. I think looking forward to being entertained by large, it's not. I think sometimes over time you become a little jaded, you go into any promotion once that initial buzzers off at whether so if you're neutering of honor, you get that honeymoon period. This is neat. This is gone and eventually you kind of settle into. Okay. Impress me. Now bail. You start to become a little more jaded and picking apart some of the mistakes and things like that so that they benefit from that, but they lived up to the expectations. People go into this going. This is going to be a blast and it was. And so where do you go from here? I mean, could they do another all in? Absolutely. And if they stay independent, we're gonna just keep doing what they're doing. I certainly think there will be another all in and I think it will be successful on. I don't know if it it so hard to said we would be bigger the next time around for people who missed out on it and heard good things about maybe does it stay about the same? I, I don't know that. Record is really hard to forecast. Yeah, I don't look at all in and say, well, you know, it's like an Easter w reunion show. It was nice once like you can do that again and again and again, but it has to be proven. I mean, there is something about the first time at that scale and I don't think it it should be diminished what what they accomplished in. You could say, well, it's ten thousand. It's a five figure attendants instead of six or seven thousand four other eighty shows is that really that big of a deal there just is tangibly and intangibly something that that felt like it was a marker I wrote on the cover story, the person, torture, newsletter, people look at wrestlemainia as sort of there's the resume, any era, and then the pre wrestlemainia era in terms of big national wrestling. I, you know, I don't know yet, but all in could be looked at as that that marker in time that said, Indy wrestling in a social media era in this era. Of YouTube helping sell tickets and social media. Following, like taking advantage of the new media or now entrenched establish median away in and doing what they did it. That's a new marker. It's a new water level. Was only interested in incremental step up from what we had been seeing for for years leading up to it or was it in, should it be seen? Do you think it'll be historically seen as a real marker like wrestlemainia was man? That's tough. I mean, I look at it is somebody finally did take advantage of the internet properly on. That's not we. We've talked over the years about this that I been surprised like wrestlers individual wrestlers have taken advantage of it, but you haven't really seen a promotion, do great things with it. You haven't seen that next creative mind and that doesn't have a big budget, but he's doing some really good things in Idaho. And anybody has this YouTube show this kind of caught on that. People are enjoying when you get it at the small scale. I know that the group that Bruce Michelin joy, CWF mid Atlantic, you'll get that type of thing. But you haven't had something just below up because of the internet and the there's a little more to it because these guys are television stars also. But everything they did, I think, well, ninety nine percent of it because, again, I don't feel like that ring of honor was going Gaga over promoting this event. It's due to the online buzz. It's due to their popularity from ring of honor and new Japan to some extent obviously. But yeah, I. No, that I can't tell you that it's going to be gypped like wrestlemainia I don't. I my guess is no, but I think it special for what it is for different reasons. Yeah, I, that's the thing I've I've heard both sides of the argument and and I mean it was a new watermark, but is it just a one off is at once or twice a year. They do it for a while until it sort of plays itself out or is it something that's copied? What do you make speaking of that of MLD w go into Chicago and where does court Bowers m-l w into this landscape? And do you think that they're being influenced by all land in in bringing the show to Chicago? It's real stadium on. I don't think the two are really connected. I could be mistaken. I called hours my guest on this week's boom podcast at at PWB dot com. She plugged and I didn't ask him about that specifically. But my Chicago's just such a hotbed that I would think they would get there eventually anyway. And so maybe it sped things up, maybe it didn't, but of course, well, aware of how popular wrestling is in Chicago as far as where they fit in really remains to be seen. You know, they on being in sports and his court points out. They get a programming feet, you know, eight made. Obviously he's not saying what that is. So we don't know how substantial it is. We don't know if they, I mean, he's, he's talks about how they, you know, have a budget and everything else. So we don't see the we. We don't see those numbers. So are they making money to they make enough from be in sports that he had already making money, even though they're a lot of their shows were at the guilt nightclub, which is a smaller venue. They're expanding now, and you know that they're YouTube numbers think I think he said the, oh the gosh, that was at war games or battle, right? One of the two, I think he said, did like twenty five. Thousand, which is nice. You know, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not substantial either. So I mean, it's a growing company and and I think it certainly something that's worth keeping an eye on, but you know, I can't sit here and say that gather the next big thing. This is huge. I don't feel that yet. Yeah. And I mean, the Cicero of was no Sarah center. I mean it so you know, it's, but, but going to Chicago and you know, going to a place where there are hardcore professional wrestling fans, and who are they? Chicago is is an area that I think can be very much utilized by a hot wrestling company and drawing money and building a following in, you know, they have a good hot indie scene. So taking your brand there, if you're on national cable is gonna be interesting how they do and you know if they grow from that venue to another one or or not, I, I don't know what to make of it, but I think a lot of people a lot of any. Promoters at different levels m. l. w. with with the be in sports clearance and Corp hours experience it. I look at him as someone who had to look at all in and say, okay, what can I learn from this? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure, absolutely. And I mean, the venue they're running, their evolve is run. They're not. I think, even last month sometime. Yeah. So yeah, you're right. It's not in a major venue or anything like that, but still just defected. This promotion that started in Orlando already has television has sponsorship and and you know, court mentioned on the show that now they're going to be on be in sports Spanish feed, as well with the Spanish broadcast game. And that's going to open the doors. He hopes to doing some more international. It's telling the show to Latin America. You know, just different markets. I, it's courts hustler he will definitely get out there and try to bring as much revenue as he can process. But you know, I, it's, there's still so many questions about it and he is talking about. Like they'd have talent launched down to deals that basically prevent them from going to work for WWE. He has the right of first refusal, so it's not your m. l. w or nothing it. It's not sort of thing at all, but he does have some deals in place with most of the roster he says, and you know, that's interesting that he has right of first refusal to allot of his talent. So yeah, I mean, I think it's growing, but I think it's, I think it's we're still at the baby steps vase. Even though things have come together so quickly with television, it, it's like, okay, that's great. But it's still a, it's not a station that fans would associated with wrestling and like, for instance, I get I sports package on direct TV, so I get like our local Fox Sports affiliate and sports north. It's not included in that. And right now, you know, being sports as having some disagreements, their carry it a b. over carriage fees and things with both Comcast and direct TV. So right now it's not even Andrea. TV and court made it seem like Comcast xfinity that could take awhile. Evening's direct TV isn't gonna take too long, but is it going to stay on on a tier that I'm just I'm not gonna pay for, you know. I can see the show on YouTube, which is great. But yeah, it's that makes it difficult when it's on this tier that basically you have to, I think, be as basically known for soccer. And so if you're a huge soccer fan, maybe you have this package, but the rest of the world doesn't eight of that. That's a pretty big thing. They, I think they need to be hoping just like impact with pop that the network grows are Jason right about ninety minutes. Let let's let's wrap up the free show here. We'll wrap this up for our VIP members as a bonus that will add onto the end of the show for our members of what to talk to you about our wage and impact wrestling. Impact had a meeting with WWE reportedly this week. I'm going to get your sourcing and information on that and what it means. And also we talk about all in. We talk about pack. We talked about Emel w, but what about our way? Chow ready? Are they to kind of take things to the next level? Could all do that. So I wanna talk about that. But on the free part here we will wrap up and I think you again for taking so much time to be on the program here I went to pleasure. Everybody checkout pro wrestling boom, to search person, boom in Stitcher, apple podcast, Google podcast, whatever checkout Jason's weekly free show if you want to hear more of him than just him with me here every three weeks. And of course, progressing dot net, I'm checking that multiple times every day, see the latest news and some of the key features. So that's where you can find more Jason and on Twitter, Jason at pro wrestling net. So sounds good. I've been blast always always enjoy our talks. I, I just don't even know what to say about that. Biking Packer game. It was just. A one of the most fun games to watch that I ever remember. Absolutely. That's the thing is much as it's, you know, it's a tie and you'd well on that. It was so fond at the rivalry back. It just seems like either Rogers was hurt last year. We had a horrible offense of line, not a couple years baggage. Just there's always been something where if finally got it, it was. It happened early in the season, but you got both teams fairly healthy and when they are really competitive and it's really fun. And so that part of it is a blast and I hope everybody stays healthy. I I wanna see that again in November and I will dread it and fear it, but I want to see it again in January two and like to me that game, if there was ever game that deserve to be a tie. Like I just kind of laughed and I just laughed. You know, Daniel Carlson, you know, it's it's, it is what it is, and but I just kind of laughed like God. I was so sure we had lost like three or four times leading up to it, and that was so sure we should win. But I'm a Viking fan and I've seen. Kisco via right at key moments before couple of come to mind in particular. So I was like, okay, you know, we had a chance to win, but we certainly easily could have not been in any of these positions to win. Absolutely. Yeah. But I mean the digs catch for the the first long touchdown, and then cousins just the drive at the end. How did he get that between two defenders to feeling sitting on his, but it was amazing. I mean, cousins. I mean, I, I was I, I was sure cousins is going to be great after like the first quarter of the first preseason game and Todd Martin mixed wanted me for that. But I was like, I, I've seen too much mediocrity over the years to not recognize somebody who's at another level with his passing. But of course, I also thought that about Sam Bradford the first game last year, and I don't think he's doing great right now elsewhere, but cousins has won over and that the Packer game was the defining game. I think he became embraced Minnesota Viking quarterback after that performance will end that tie may turn out to be the best thing ever gonna happen to us because if he makes that kick, we don't go out and get Dan Bailey. And I hope at the end of the year, we're not looking back in this good, you wanted bail emission. He lost you a crucial game, but this is a really good kicker was shocking. The Cowboys. Let him go just was gonna make too much money and they're not a real contender. I think they would acknowledge. At least privately. And so now we have ourselves one of the elite kickers finally, so what's actually does? Well, it seemed like he was a little shaky the last year though. Like I didn't think he had a career year the last time, and I think it's part of the incentive, but you but I think elitists is still accurate, but still fallible. So I'm still nervous, but I was not sad to see the rookie day Carlson go. I mean, he did that five six minute interview near the end. One of the reporters, are you read about your job security and they're like, look, like, should I d I'm I'm under contract and I'm a big deal and I hit them in practice and we'll just see the tape and like it didn't even cross his mind that he might be cut the next day. So I haven't checked his Twitter feed. I'm going to do it right now. Is he still say he's Minnesota Viking on on on Twitter because as of yesterday he did. Yep. Yep. He's still in Minnesota Viking onto Witter. So she's either he ends an updated or he knows something we'd because it wasn't thought they might just put him back on the practice. Will. Okay, because I don't know that they signed Bailey to more than a year I didn't. I didn't see that part. So I mean he has a canon for leg just, you know. So if we if we look if we weren't a contending team, then I think he just roll with the punches and and suffered through the kid and his his growing pains basically. But I know the eagles did it last year, but the idea of going with rookie kicker when you are contender on really. No, I, I agree, but I just have to say every any team that wants to complain about roughing, the passer can every other team gets to do it except the Packers this year. I'm sorry, but it's Aaron Rodgers. Complaining about the, you know, being treated like a football player and a field going for extra yardage, which by the way, when you are trying to make something out of nothing and you don't just go down there, there's a chance you're going to get back alled and you don't get to complain about that. It wasn't a dirty play. It wasn't against the rules and it wasn't Turkey, but it was hard hit, but you're. You're in the NFL and you weren't, you know you're going give us going to make something out of nothing you're you do that at risk just like cousins. Did last. Was it last week or the week before we ran into like, ran inside. It's like, no, no playing too well, don't do this so pa- anyone can play but backers. But I do hope the NFL I get to straightened out unless they don't want to as you said Jason and your conspiracy theory that it's getting people to not talk about the national anthem. And that's my theory. I'm sticking to, but I man, it's all this controversy. What I mean, I, yeah, they need to protect the quarterbacks to a point, but they are football players and this this is it's gone too far. I mean, the way those guys were both tackled both both place. We're just like that's a tackle, and you don't know what you expect them to do, but if any feet can't leave the ground when you're tackling a quarterback at the end, if your feet are on the ground and your nNcholas, and you'll have your hands on it, but I'm not. I'm not judging the ridiculousness of it, but I'm saying. I don't know because I'm too busy covering wrestling to do any, but watch the Vikings and then move on other thing. I don't really know. So I'm partly an experts. I'm sorta leaning on you here for it, but the way I look at it where it could make make sense for the players to get called for penalty, even if they think the rule is going too far is if you're tackling a quarterback and you have control of him and clearly the, you've got him and then your feet lift off the ground, and you drive yourself into him whether it's your shoulder or your helmet or your whatever it is. If your feet leave the ground after you have control the quarterback that can be seen as your leaping into the air to drive them hard into the ground. So if the rule is you cannot your feet can't leave. If you tackle quarterback your feet, can't leave there. If that's a real, at least everybody can just know and follow it. So kind of where I'm going with it is the NFL for the sake of the fans, and the players and the quarterbacks, and those trying to tackle quarterbacks. Just let's make sure we know what the definitive rule is and make it the rule this year and then reevaluate next year. That's all I ask. I don't wanna go in. Every week, not knowing whether something's going to be called or not. So make make it clear, and I think you can say your feet leave the ground on a tackle, that's using gravity to drive quarterback into the ground, and we wanna protect our store quarterbacks, or he just put it in the hands of the officials and say, you guys know when somebody's actually trying to drive the quarterback into the ground and went into tackle, and they just won't on there. So stubborn. I mean, they spent years trying to justify that awful coal against Calvin Johnson and the catch rule. I mean, it took them years to finally get that semi, right? I, I don't know. But I mean to this altogether, would I, I have a feeling that Vince McMahon's XFL quarterback will not be protected. And this will be a big part of his campaign that's gonna lead to nowhere other than him losing a bunch of money on this that stupidity of the XFL and how it's not talked about enough that we're not gonna have Sissy rules essentially what they said. It was just ridiculous. And all it did is it ruined the entire excitement of the offense, like the rules on the are in place so that players can catch balls and quarterbacks. Throw balls to players and the the stupidity of the whole concept of the XFL at the beginning just blew my mind and it's not talked about enough. It wasn't. It wasn't a power outage. It was that they thought if we don't have rules for defenders to stop them from tackling receivers, while the balls in the air, the no is going to catch a ball and it's going to be six to three every week, and it was almost that ridiculous if it wasn't for the damn power outage. Do you think he'd be doing this. Heavy really convinced himself. That was a big part of the problem like, oh, if they only would have seen that game, everything would have been fine. I, I could see him convincing himself of that. I, I still think Vince wants to be Ted Turner. He wants to be successful in something else. And I think that that that is still an issue that he needs to scratch, and there's big money for live sports. He saw the deal, the sock, you know that soccer got when they struck their last TV deal and they get a good deal. And I think he thinks there's money to be made, and let's let me try something new, but I don't know. I'll believe it when I see that he's not on headset on raw on wrestlemainia. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yup, aren't very good. Thanks, Jason. We'll have a new show for you tomorrow. So be sure to refresh our podcast feed if you missed it earlier this week, be sure to check out the way Keller pro wrestling Poche. 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Four major weekly cable shows drew McIntyre Braun. Strowman Adam Cole Indianap-, Bros. Who's going to be champion? The longest? ooh! I'm tempted to say drew McIntyre. Although wwe's booking I. think is a little more reactionary. If they feel for whatever reason that? Ratings aren't stabilizing, or what have you I think? Vince McMahon has shown throughout his history that he's a little more willing to end a long term experiment before the time is up That's not always the case I mean you look at Roman reigns and things like that, and far as far as a baby face runs, but I'm titles. They're usually a little more trigger. Happy with as opposed to you know turns and things like that. With Jon Moxley you know I kinda get the feeling that he's a long-term champion. They're the same way that I get. The feeling of drew McIntyre being a long-term champion but I'm that W is more apt to stay the course. Than Than WWE is I might be wrong on that. We don't have a ton of history to draw from in terms of that for eight w I'm willing to be corrected on that. And then you look at smackdown, Braun Strowman I don't think he was ever really supposed to be in that position to begin with but with Roman reigns. Missing Wrestlemainia and the situation, regarding the potential of his return being. Farther down the line. SORT OF FORCED The bronze Stroman hand I, guess it Wrestlemainia so he feels more the short term of anybody and with Adam, Cole. Sense that his title is in grave danger. Against, Velveteen Dream, I think a lot of it depends on. The call up situation you know if wwe looks at a guy like Adam Cole and a group like the era if they feel, they need some fresh bodies and and some fresh. Faces on the main roster Anwar smackdown. We're seeing a matt riddle now heading to smackdown, wwe feels the need to. Bring Adam Cole, and the embassy to their up, and that could end his reign before perhaps an x t had planned to end his reign naturally, so that's always a consideration when you're talking, annexed title and don't as hell the title for a long time. So. His reign could be coming to a close. Just by its natural life span sooner than some of the others And also you have to look at the potential challengers on the baby fae side. There are not a lot that. that. We haven't seen already paired with Cole so that could either necessitate a dropping of the title. To velveteen dream or to someone else or a baby fae turn, which is something that was talked about this past week on wrestling night in America, when Tom Stop and I previewed in full the t takeover in your house card, and that was something brought up by a caller is the potential of and I don't call face turn, which would allow him to have a further extended title run and a whole new slate of opponents for him during that title run on Hillside. Good overview. I matured right now because it feels like there's some. That the champions on each brand are pretty solidly representing the lay of the land, and I think all of them have potential to be pretty long-term champions and I think you. You laid out the volatility well. I think Braun strowman because he was. Not An accident, but sort of a a champion of by default. He wasn't in a big WRESTLEMAINIA match. Already they needed a late substitution, the only baby-faced that made any sense and when they looked at things. Well, okay. Yeah, well, we'll make him champion. And so he seems like the most the most vulnerable to lose and the one who makes the least difference in terms of being the identity of the brand. Like to me like you said right off the Bat I saw to drew McIntyre feels like the long-term. And One of the. Like, historically in wrestling, I am a real big fan of when a promotion or now you know the current word, the brand, the champion of the promotion of the brand feels like the leader in the identity of the brand. He'll or baby face ric flair and Hogan in the eighty. Certainly a is that and when we got. Late into the nineties titled Changes Started Happening so fast that it wasn't who was champion, but who was the top star? WHO's the franchise? WHO'S THE ICON? All those all those adjectives but drew is kind of a throwback to me. He looks like he's the guy who was stands there and represents raw what it stands for key defines what it stands for. He's the leader. He looks like he's dominant. He looks like he's in his prime. He looks and I was arguing this year ago. Like if you're gonNA make drew champion. Make him champion quickly before he gets defined down because I. Don't think drew's character as a heel or face makes a lot of sense unless he is a champion like because he's not anything else. The fiend is something else. Braun Strowman is something Else Adam Cole. Even if something else dean, Ambrose is something else other than a champion Dean sort of seems seems a little weird for him to be champion away, not that it's wrong for him to be happy, and but he's entirely. Something drew just feels like. That's his landing place as as a wrestler Salsas, Identity Yeah and without a championship. He's a guy who seems like he should be champion, and he's not really interesting unless he is champion. That's overstating it, but that's the direction. I lean. He's just such a good fit, so I want. This is all kind of winding around to I think it'd be really smart to make drew unless there's some outside in injury or somebody else comes along. That's just so much better. Maitre long-term champion. Champion because I mean as a kid growing up. It was like Oh my God. I just can't wait to see who the next long-term champion is going to be. There's going to be ric flair. Who's going to be ric flair and be the next long-term nwea champion there was that that era that I grew up in where the champion was as defining. It was like a not a legacy a What's the dominant team at sports I'm forgetting the word for it. The Bulls were a in the in the ninety dynasty. Thank you yeah, drew McIntyre I want to be the Dynasty of the twenty twenty S. you know like and a multi your title rain. And it just who can beat them and don't cash in the chips early and go well. Let's go for a hotshot. Have somebody else beat them? And then you could mess around on smackdown surrounded Annex T, but when I look at drew on Monday last night I, just I just see a guy around which everything should revolve, and that's when he's at his best, and his matches are good enough, and it's promos are good enough and I think they can lined up enough. You'll challengers that that's the way to go with him so to me. He's my pick. Who will be an ought to be the longest term of the four champions, and I think the other three are wildcards. I think you can. That's more circumstantial for the reasons. You brought up. Yeah I mean you know you can make the argument about Moxley that that he should be a long-term champion, but there are so many interesting challenges to him and you know he's almost a guy who's a lot more interesting, chasing the title or doing something not related to the title. And then you look at a guy like Adam Cole again. He's been champion for so long that. You know even if even if there's not a challenger who feels. Worthy of defeating him like the other team dream I don't feel like. He's the guy who's going to stop this long reign of coal, but you're at the point and Kohl's rain. Where now you have to think even a guy like velveteen dream. could an t just decide that? They need to shake things up a little on top and no fault of Kohl's. But eventually you just kinda reach the finish line of your title rain, and you know I think we're closer to the end of Kohl's than the beginning for for any number of reasons, so you know, he has been very good long-term champion. He's been a a good leader of that brand as a heel but. But again, I think it's closer to the end of his reign than the beginning, but then you think of okay. What baby faces on Annex? T are going to be the ones who thrown him Matt Riddle at the top of the list. Except now he's on smackdown Tomasa Champa Do you do something with him? Johnny? Gargano is he'll velveteen. Dream again doesn't feel like the right time although they could go in that direction. So. There's some. Bears watching that situation I think in annexed. T really bears watching. Need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling podcasts will come join me out for L. Over in the progress paradise at Pino Torch Vip as we BOSC on the bright side of wrestling and focus on some of the great matches, and chose from around the world. Be The US Japan, Europe or Mexico. There's always a place of restaurants passed in the Paradise to and we've done fun. Historical shows such as the we love ligers series, celebrating the glorious career of Juche Thunder like. I was there when shows where guests will join me to talk about a classic bent that they were in attendance for we love variety, and you can expect lots of at the Progress Paradise Detailed Peter Roof Torch via subscription information on a list of all the VIP. Benefits is available at Peterborough. Torch VIP INFO DOT COM and yes. Lovie VIP. PODCASTS are compatible with popular podcast. APPS ON IPHONE and android devices, or you can stream them directly from AD FREE VIP mobile site C in Paradise. Let's let's continue the conversation, but let's just pause and do a quick introduction. This is the way Keller pro wrestling podcast special Tuesday flagship edition of the program. Thursday, we're going to be. The plan is to be primarily focused on previewing takeover, so we move the flagship the Tuesday this week to cover a broader array of topics and I'm with Keller host of the program. You can follow me on twitter at the Wade. Keller you can also follow our brand at P.. W Torch and joined by pro. Wrestling Torch, newsletter, columnist and host of the peabody torch casts Sunday night show wrestling night in America Greg Parks. He is on twitter at Greg M Parks Gregg Welcome back to the coast here. Thanks, wait. Do you like to host or co host more? ooh. That is a really good question. I do any any one of them for too long of a time. I really get the be on the other side. Really depends. I kinda thought that going to be your answer, but I wasn't sure that's why. I think because you're good and both spots some people are. Much better in the spots for for long periods of time, so it's always. Like on wrestling night in America I get to ask the questions that I really enjoy that, but you know when I come on your show I. Get asked the questions, and that's a nice break in a nice change of pace for me. Yeah, yeah, cool all right so back down gopher minute. Annex t winning the title to me is is a way to. Show that you are a championship level, main event, wrestler and It feels like almost a rite of passage to be a top tier guy, and or validates what people are saying about you or what you accomplished outside of an t in you're waiting for that to come to fruition, t whereas in Ron smackdown, and this will change over time, and we're still in a little bit of the. Annex T as a developmental show. That's an a very popular niche product on the network. To and and really I think important to subscriptions for a lot of people, and now it is one of the four major cable shows drawing. Close to a million plus people a week, all told when you count dot network for for St When you count the network rerun views. You know approach a million just like Awa does. So. We have to eventually we'll change your mindset probably as the as the business changes, and we're still not sure I'm going off here, but we're still not sure about how shows are going to be turned. The idea was always well. You know he runs somehow shows, but not as many as wwe, and they run some network specials, but not as many as roster. Who knows when we come out of this kind of covid, nineteen pandemic era business structure of Wwe Hall that shifts, but where we are now and where we have been. Is Sort of feels like if you're a rising STAR IN ANNEX T. A real like a gimmick performer, but a more mainstream act. You should get a run with the title. Kohl's how that for a long time. Has Adam Cole holding it for a long time and again I'm in favor of long-term champions in Kohl's a good example of what I drew McIntyre to be I want to be talking about drew celebrating being. For over a year, Becky Lynch did I. I'm in favor of not all, but a little more than if. Probably more than half a title. Rains like have them be a year plus. I think it makes title seem more important intolerance become a marketing tool as opposed to just profits, being passed around for hot shotting, so all of that said, has anyone missed out in in past year? Who would have benefited from getting a chance to be champion? Even though I'm against it for say three to six month run. Is has someone been bypassed? who think either is still there and we'll get it or or lost out, and I throw out there for instance Matt Riddle about him. Coal weren't around. I could have imagined Matt Riddle. I'm still going after -squitoes here. I could have imagined. Matt Riddle having a run, and in so the question about him, specifically in anyone else in general is is Adam Cole. Actually hurting call ups, not blaming Colbert is Adam Cole's long reign, taking something away from arrest wrestler getting called up after having achieved championship status. I really don't think so and I think the only wrestler. You can make the argument. You know that that maybe should have. Taken over Adam Calls Rain Is Matt Riddle, but you know I. Don't think his popularity was hurt by not being champion. I know there were a lot of people who wanted WWe rocket riddle right to the top of exte- as soon as they signed him as soon as he debuted. You know that didn't really happen although he was in. The major scene and the main event mix, and he was portrayed as a top star, not a title holder as far as champion, but he was still portrayed as a big deal in annex. T you know you look at Gargano and Champa. They've kind of done their thing. They've had their turn with with the championship. Keithly Die Jakovic have been doing their thing Damian priest. Not, quite there yet, fin, Baylor you know being. Sort of rejuvenated in some ways in annexed T. His main roster run in the credibility. He's gained to a certain extent from being on the main roster. I don't think he needed the title and I wouldn't have argued if he'd won the title because you know. When we still look at Ron smackdown as sort of head and shoulders above an X., T. at this point, so if you're looking at Finn Ballard coming down to annexed, he has been. The biggest star he should be portrayed as the best in the championship. Be The best then I guess you could make the argument that Baylor should have been champing at some point since he's been in an xt, but you know the other argument is, he doesn't need the title. He's got the credentials from being on Ron from being seen as former universal champion. He doesn't really need the t title so I. Don't really see this glaring. Missed opportunity in annexed from anyone because of Adam calls long rain. Searching for more great pro wrestling talk, then join me. Jason Powell hosted the three weekly pro wrestling boom podcast each week you'll hear the latest news and analysis for me and my team at pro wrestling dot net along with other wrestling media members, plus the pro wrestling boom podcast features long-form interviews with notable names in the wrestling industry, subscribing it much stitcher downcast, and all your favorite secondary apps or visit us directly at pw boom dot com once again. That's pw boom dot, com. Yeah I think I think Matt Real is. Is a character and not a champion. By definition the way that I think drew McIntyre. It's like real. You can call them up and I mean what they did on him on Friday in the potential that they have from with ups. When we talked about it on on the smackdown polls show, we spent a decent amount of time time Oh. Potential Matt Riddle Matchups I don't think riddle is hurt by not having been annexed champion. In fact in a way, it gives them a chance to be a little bit more of a free spirit coming up who's going to be occupied with other things and if he wins the IFFY, eventually wins the main title on smackdown That's going to be like a big career moment for him because it did not happen in annexed, actually think that can serve him well, because some people need that championship, they need, but benefit so greatly from having the championship pedigree on an xt that not having it can be a setback, and riddle is just such a character that an super talented and so distinct that I don't think he needs it in a way that others would have benefited I. do think you know coal going to the main roster someday seems like that ought to happen, but. As I said a minute ago. Next is kind of changing what it means in the in the whole ecosystem of wwe with Bauer, going back to next to try to boost things there. I'm worried with Adam Cole sized that he might get downgraded in on the main roster if the champions of Ron smackdown ours biggest drew McIntyre and as big, as as Braun Strowman, now if they shift, and somehow the belt ends up with Matt Riddle over on smackdown. Adam Cole is a he'll against a beloved face riddle. That's not as big of a size difference I, know. They listed riddle at six two, but he's nowhere near that. illegit height, wise, more five ten five eleven just from standing next to him. If memory serves me right. How earlier this year! so his size difference over call isn't so great that it does of the baby he'll. He'll dynamic so that so that can work when I think of someone who I think would have benefited instill from annex. T title Rod Keithly is is dynamic personality indistinct as Keith Lia's body type, wise historians presentation as Promos his ring style everything. I do think he falls more in the category of. Hat benefiting from having been a successful annexed champion before being called up now I sound hypocritical because I was calling from a couple of weeks ago to be called up to the main roster headed Matt Riddle. Not like this strong arm I'm not I wasn't like should definitely definitely happen, but I was Kinda thinking call keithly up now. Matt Riddle maybe I'm maybe flipped a little bit on that and these two weeks especially seeing Matt Riddles presentation Friday and then just thinking about the potential matchups. Matt has right now in how much he can make himself seem like a star because of. Of distinct personality so if they shift the title off Cole, I'm kind of in favor of not velveteen drink, because he still falls even more so in that category being a character who stands out on his own, and I'm not convinced he's world championship caliber, either I think he's my third from the top type guy whose distinctive and really adds but not necessarily top top so. That's where I go to Keith. Lee Sort of the answer to my own question I think heath. Leah's the one who will lose out if Tokyo, the title or someone else wins it and Keith doesn't get a run with the title before being called up doesn't doomed to failure, but if keithly can show up on smackdown and be called a former annex, t champion, not just North American champion. I think that does give him a boost. Oh for sure. The time to capitalize on that was after his survivor series appearance after his royal rumble appearance. When you know, he seemed to be really hot and I think it took wwe by surprise. They really didn't know how to handle that quite frankly, I think it took annexed by surprise and I don't think they really want to handle it either. You know he's been in a pretty prominent position as North American. American champion, so you know it's a step below for sure the NFC title, but having that North American championship and defending in the matches against by Jakovic and priest, and the three ways, and then you know the build up to facing Johnny. Gargano at takeover in your house. I, think has benefited him certainly being an xt champion would have benefited him further and put the spotlight on him even more. And he someone who's deserving of that You know we could be looking at. Johnny, Gargano With with his heel, turn with a character work. He's been doing defeating. Keithly on Sunday and perhaps Keith Lee transitioning into facing Adam Cole. After coal presumably defeats Velveteen Dream I would certainly be in favor of that I think Lee. Is You know he's not North American champion? He's the next guy in the pecking order after dream on the baby face side, who really lines up well against Adam? Call would feel like a a fresh matchup would feel like a a real threat to Adam calls title Yeah Yep I agree. Every Sunday night. Catch wrestling night in America on W. Torch Daily Cast Dot, com hosted by me PW torch columnist Greg Parks each week. Welcome Co host from the torch family to discuss the big shows and pro wrestling, taking your calls and e mails, you can listen live most weeks beginning at eight PM Eastern on Sunday nights with the wwe or impacts pay per view. We go on the. The air at the conclusion of that paper view, you can listen live, but of course the full show is available for download on demand anytime shortly after it airs visit Twa Daily Dot Com and click the livestream linked to find the next scheduled live show, link, search, torch, and apple podcasts or your podcast APP to subscribe wrestling night in America every Sunday. Twa Torch Daily CAST DOT COM. On the AWS side I think John is a great guy to have his your champion. Because it's got a little bit of stone cold in them. He's also his his own self, and he even though he's an ex. WWe Guy, he's got. He's got name value for eight W. in a recognition factor that I think will can bring over wwe fans sampling the product because people liked him in wwe. They always had in the seth in Roman. It was with with time with a big part of the audience with Dean I don't think it ever was even if people were rolling their eyes at some of the stuff he was asked to do I think as as Dean told me last summer. I did the best I could with anything. I was given even if I vehemently disagree that I should be doing it and I. Think people picked up on that and so I think there's a lot of respect for John Moxley. Even though nobody thinks he's in the class of Adam Cole as a worker or Johnny Gargano or whatever I mean he's. He's seen as something else, but you're going to get your money's worth, and you're GonNa be entertained and that is more important ultimately in professional wrestling I think. Think to make money in this businesses. Do People Go? I'm going to be entertained and the guys credible and Mosley's credible and you're gonna be entertained, so that's all good, but I think he can be all those things not champion so i. don't think there's I don't think he gets a huge boost from being champion that said aws a boost from him being champion, because they get to show that they're utilizing him or letting him be him in a way that wwe didn't in that is at its core. The DNA and the brand that eighty w markets not overtly because they can't say it in so many words, but they want to show people. We know what you want when it comes to wrestling, and we know how to best portray wrestlers, so they're not being scripted to say things that don't feel natural and actually feel corny or utilizing talent like cody. In retrospect if you watch eight W.. R. H. Cody felt underutilized and wwe. He had something in them and same thing with Moxley. So that's all good and I'm not against Moxie, being a long-term champion that set in and I'm excited about potential down the line that said we, cody and Kenny and hangman page. There are a number of other people in a w who I could absolutely imagine by fall being champion and having a good story. Get us there and eventually I. Hope Kenny. Omega isn't doesn't define himself. As a flake to the degree that people stop taking him seriously with all the with all the shenanigans and goofball stuff that he's doing that undercuts eventually him becoming a top guy because I mean if they if there's a master plan, it works out congratulations to them. If there's not a master plan, and they can get themselves out of this. Rut that Kenny's in? Then, that's great, too, but I still imagine Kenny Cody and Adam page. It who who am I missing from aws or feel like I'm missing somebody who also should just be in that group as someone who absolutely has an equally good to represent the brand on top as Moxley sometime in the next year. I mean. You know the the main street. Ours are mixed in with the circle versus the elite. Few Right, so you've got congenital. You've got jake. Hager who we've already seen against Moxley. On the on the baby fae side, you've got the young bucks which their tag team. You Got Omega and page who are doing the TAG team? Thing themselves right now. You know you could maybe get you know if you if you look at Sammy, Guevara. I think he's benefited a lot from This This era that we're in not benefited, but but he's come out looking better than he did coming in as far as potential challenger democracy. Just by the way he's been portrayed and things like that. So you know in looking at challengers to Moxley. Perhaps Lance Archer. He Got Moxley a pretty good match dot of. Brodie Lee at double or nothing, maybe the match the night, depending on what you thought of Stadium Stampede. Brian Cage. Is the next in line to get eight title shot and I don't think we should discount him. having perhaps some sort of extended feud with Moxley just because of know the dichotomy between these two. And in terms of their appearance in terms of. How they're portrayed in a W. So. Like you know? Is it? Cody's TNT champions that takes them out of the running for now for a little bit, but I. don't see that real unless you. You know the inner circle and the elite there. I don't know if they're being separated now. After double or nothing, stadium stampede sure felt like a blow off, even though we still have the blood and guts match. Come up coming up at at some point indeterminate. But it seems like they're being. They may be kept separate now. Based on what we saw on on the follow up TV on Wednesday. So, what shakes out among those eight guys as far as does one start to stand out from the pack that you can see in two or three weeks as oh yeah. He may be tapped from Oxley next. Yeah like in aws. I think when we look at who are that ready champions? Maybe I was just forgetting about Jericho. You know in my mind because I could see Jericho getting the belt back even though he's very much been doing comedy, but Jericho. Cody Kenny Hangman Page Moxley I. Think is like your top tier singles World Title I think Jake Hager Lance Archer. Brian Cage. Brodie Lee those are the ones who you can build up to challenge, but you don't see that as the Wrestlemainia, so to speak opponent from Oxley. They're the ones who are on the other shows that moxley beats to have a compelling. You'd have a sliver of doubt, but you're pretty sure. Moxie is going to win, but it's part of establishing Moxley's title rain and legacy. Legacy that he builds in his title reign. I don't see them as actual threats to beat Moxley or wrestlers. Who if I'm Tony Kahn accompany think yeah, let's let's do a six month. Run with them as our drew McIntyre so to speak the face of the brand, I think the face of the brand candidates is a shorter list I. think pock is is is. is in that second tier in part because I think he was. defined down a little bit more than anyone else in wwe. In a way that I haven't seen them fully overcome yet. But you know. I say that with a little temptation to move into that top tier, but I'm not quite able to do it. N. Off is is a both Sami Guevarra, but a similar conversation about them, which is just not ripe yet to be in that spot in. You WanNa see a longer journey. It would feel actually like we're being cheated out of something. If MJ off ends up as a world champion in the next. Six nine sometime this year like I. Think you tell a longer story with that and you haven't been North American champion I and have a nine or ten months rain is North American champion, twenty, twenty and twenty twenty one, and you look at MGM, because he's so young and they're such a great story to tell his journey wait till twenty twenty two to have him actually be challenging for and winning a title. In semi are to you know he's young enough. And he sort of a side kick court jester type character. Let them build up credibility, even losing that he can compete effectively against established top guys, even when he loses and let let's watch him mature in front of our very eyes to that level. I don't WanNa. See Jeff or Sami. Or Darby for that matter, get pushed ahead of fan perception of them, and so when you look at the options other than Moxley. Even though there's some really talented people, a lance archer type WHO's already challenge at a top level against top guys and should be. Down to the kind of Sammy I'm jeff guys who are sort of I think this one or two cycles away from being there I don't think there's a ton of face of the company faces the brand options, and that's why I think Moxley. Either ought to be champion for a long time or I want to see a really good story told with Kenny or hangman. That's kind of where I am when it comes to eight AWA, world title. And the thing about e w to this different in conversing about this than WWe is Jon Moxley doesn't need an opponent for a pay per view in three weeks. The with with aws pay per view schedule. They only have to do what four a year so you only need. Four challengers to Moxley those pay per views that feel like really big time. Guys that feel like that you've built up to. Make it feel like they are truly a threat to defeat, Moxley, for the belt, and that you're building your pay per view around and asking people to spend fifty dollars for now you can have Moxley on TV face. You know the packs and the Scorpio Sky's and those guys who don't really feel ready to threaten Moxley at a pay per view level. You. Don't need to find twelve challengers for for Moxley over the course of a year. You only need to find four, so that's a benefit for eighty W. in the way they've built their roster and the way that it's currently constructed as you've been saying like you don't really see those guys. At the top of the card who could really overtake Moxley right now, and that's okay, because they have you know two three months to build up to that point to get someone who can challenge Moxley for the title on pay per view. We're go to another commercial break. Why are you listening to commercial breaks? Why deal with these interruptions when you can become a VIP member support the weight, Keller pro wrestling podcasts way Taylor. 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Is Is he a viable long-term guy. I mean I. Don't want to write him off because he was sort of a a champion of of defense kind of a default challenger when Roman. Couldn't compete and to use WBZ's language. Chose not to participate, took his ball and went home. I can't wait for the documentary special day. Roman reigns light. Vince McMahon down. If only WWF confidential is still around these days Oh. My Gosh Yes oh, I want I want. I want to tell day on on what? Everybody's thought bubbles during that during the week in week or so leading up to Maine and what's happened since then? But when I look at the the land, I mean. Yeah, you got little added a smackdown and got h added a smackdown, so those are two potential champions. But what do you think is if I told you? Brown stone is not champion. Come October, what are different paths that actually seem viable. I'm not saying you're endorsing them. But viable to get to somebody else being champion, and who who are those who are those legit options based on the way WB books? I've been talking for a couple of months now about the lack of depth on the top of the smackdown roster and I think we're seeing it with what's being presented backlash where we have the Miz John Morrison in a two on one match challenging, Braun Strowman for the for the title and you know that speaks to that lack of death, and so you bring Aj styles over, and that does help especially because he's a, he'll and Braun, strowman his baby face, so you're kind of calibrating yourself for for that match at some point. They could still go back to the fiend. I get the sense that the fiend in in bronze Romans. situation is not over so there. Some potential there obviously styles shameless is a guy who you know. He's got this thing going with Jeff Hardy now. So when when you get past that and I think they kind of missed the boat on shame actually think when he returned, it should have been boom immediately to the top. And they've kind of brought him along a lot more slowly, getting involved in the ICU title tournament and then doing this thing with Jeff, hardy you know he had the thing with? Chad Gable when he returned. Very quickly after he returned, that was one of his first sort of mini feuds that he got involved with and. I thought that was the time to really pump him back up to the top, and I thought he was a guy when I was on Pat McNeill on wrestling night in America previewing Wrestlemainia and we were talking about who could be facing Goldberg for the title and shameless was a guy who I think we, both Kinda thought would would be an interesting match up for Goldberg even in a short match and would be a viable. winner over Goldberg to win the title so. You know there are some options there. I don't really have a strong feeling. On any of them, I think they all have the potential to be Braun strowman. This you know you take Braun strowman from being sort of the on the losing end of an icy title feud against Shinsuke Nakamura. Zane and then you immediately put him into the championship picture. And that's asking a lot of the fans to to take. Seriously and that position we've seen Braun. strowman dominant before, but this is not the same character of Braun strowman who was turning over ambulances? This is not the same Braun strowman character that people really rallied behind. This is a much more toned down version of that character to the point where I'm not really sure what he is at this point you know. So I I think that's kind of been a struggle to but I. I could see them. Having him be the long-term champion on smackdown, but I don't really get a strong feeling either way on it. I think he's a guy who could. Lose tomorrow, but he's a guy who could hold the title for three months. I. Don't you know a single brand? Pay Per view. Air I. Don't see Braun being a long-term champion because I just think headlining with his matches doesn't seem to be a great fit in two thousand twenty. But if he can be co having a title match on shows, where drew McIntyre is the real headliner Can he be you know the Alberto del Rio type Chen or the champion? The Guy who isn't his champion, but he's not leaned onto main event and I think he could be that guy. I'm a lot more to read with other options and. Not that there's a long list, but if in people might be mad when I say this, but I could see the wave baron Corbett has been pushed by Vince McMahon so consistently invent protected to a degree so that he's always framed as a top. You know borderline top tier. He'll I could see him playing the iron sheik role. He could be a guy who beats braun through shenanigans, perhaps by a he'll, who's going to be bronze next opponent like a shameless or a fiend? You protect Ron a little. King Corbin Win. The title under suspect circumstances denied and Brag about it to set up. Matt Riddle taking them down, and then you've got matt riddle beating a guy who everybody boos and nobody wants to see. Be Champion, so that's a good setup for launching riddle to that triumphant moment of being champion, and I'm high enough on Matt Riddle a couple of years ago. The talk was. Would you take Matt Riddle or drew McIntyre? Who would be your pick? Todd Martin and I had discussions about that on fix others have to. It would be really interesting and twenty twenty withdrew and riddle representing Ron smackdown as lead baby face, champions and riddle would be the guy that I would lean because you can have a corbin feud. You can have a fiend feud that I you know Matt Riddle Personality. Wise dealing with fiend I just cracking up kind of thinking about how riddle would react and what he would say. The less scripted the better probably. And, then you have shameless a as who you just talked about if they can build him up. Matt Riddle and shameless is a hell of a match us and we talked about a Friday. She likes things to be laid in late in hard stiff like a type. Metal will oblige and he'll he'll. He'll dish it out and take it. That would be a fun match. And then AJ stops. He'll opponent to matt riddle size wise. There's not a huge difference I think. People perceive riddle is like a six four, and he's not so Aj as a heel again works against him. Then you call up Adam Cole, and he can be in opponent for him on top. He'll opponent for on smackdown to in two thousand twenty one. I think you can line up a list of pretty compelling heels to face riddle. I think one of the things WWe needs to do to get out of the Rut that they were in ratings. Wise, even before the pandemic causing to go sharply down is the perception. That wwe WBZ's roster is full of wrestlers who aren't good enough to be the biggest deal at Wrestlemainia and that's why we're bringing other big names back or up rock listener Ronda. Rousey undertaker John Seen for years. It's been about the the the veterans or semi retired legacy acts. Riddle is the guy who can redefine you and say it's about the new generation again and in drew McIntyre can be part of that, and if you call up and heck, velveteen dream as a heel against Matt riddle another another possibility there, so I just think the lay of the land makes me most intrigued by Matt Riddle Beating Barron Corbin who beats Braun Strowman, and I want Barron Corbin to be the guy who loses to riddle, rather than say more credible opponent like Aj and shameless, because I want to save I want a quick is type transition one month or two months. Thing and people are so relieved. It's not Corbin anymore that you give riddle that so that's kind of. That's I would rather have that than anything with Braun, Strowman by the way you can turn brainstorm, and he'll. Have them aligned with a fiend, or whatever and also be a threat to riddle I. Think you can line up. Two Years of champions based on just the names I mentioned. You know I should have put orbit in the conversation about heels could. Take Down, Braun strowman. I'm S-. I've blocked that so that idea so much fine. Yes. I did not even approach so I. Mean You? You've got a point that I would wanna see it, but you've got a point with Gordon. Listeners of this show can claim their free audiobook from audible right now by going to audible dot com slash wade. That's audible dot com slash W. a. d. e. that includes the March twentieth release of Jim. Ross is under the black hat. You can catch up on his previous book right now. Make that your free book or canes. New Autobiography Browse the entire selection of pro wrestling books or expand beyond that so. 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He hasn't played undercard to the legacy stars. He's a guy. You can put on TV and say this is the next big thing, and you also then have parallel tracks where you're setting up riddle Andrew as a dream match for twenty twenty four. If you tell and I'm yes, I'm looking that far ahead of two thousand twenty three. You have them be the Hogan and Flair I flew to Oakland California to see the first advertised singles match between Hogan flair because it was such a big deal that these two. Two people who were who dominated their own separate worlds. We're going to step into the ring against each other and I know I can picture exactly where I sat in that building, and how far the angle of of the of the of the ring to my seat and Flair, walking out in a weird that felt and Hogan coming out in the staredown I. Want WWe to manufacture that now we might get it through somebody being a long-term champion Adobe, jumping to aws or vice versa, but wwe a chance with riddle Andrew to do it, and by the way riddles deep into his fifties. Drew is in fifty fifty thirties. Do. Slash, everybody. For his fifties me, tell you he looks great for his age That's funny. It's not like eight years to have about this so to me. I think he's ready. Go to it I mean yeah just go to heck and. There's other people in annexed t that that that that can be called up to eventually be opponents both riddle Andrew too, but I think you have a more options with riddle. Then, you do heck I've. I would even. Consider I've become a fan of Timothy Thatcher in the past few weeks Ya Thatcher beat riddle and people like why. Is it really worth doing that. If we're just going to main roster and building was credible, and all that you can re Thatcher can show up in you know next, Nov, November or next May. It'd be like Hey Matt remember. Last time we saw each other a beach you. You've been dominating his champion the last guy to me. I'm intrigued by Timothy. Thatcher as a main roster, healy so different such a throwback in certain ways anti social media. Nobody knows anything about him. That kind of thing I he just looks like he's all business, and he just wants to be people up to get to make money and for the pride of it. What I just? So again, I just I have a lot of ideas that I think. Play Welfare Riddle, so riddle can define this generation. Give people on who tune in Friday's and idea to go. Oh, it's not a rerun of guys like I've seen main event before. Who are being recycled and re presented in different ways. This is somebody totally new, but he looks like he's ready for the moment, so yes I've made my strong pitch for marital. I've talked myself even more. I mean it's not not a bad choice in. It just goes to show that the. WWe booking has kind of felt uninspired. Lately I, mean there. There are a lot of situations that wwe could could easily on locked to make things really compelling again and we hope they do. And then and then. Go Back Down for just a moment and all. I want to jump to the jump to the mailbag. If Adam Cole loses a title and then Keith Lee gets his reign. I still like the idea of. Being a place where somebody becomes champion as way to boost their. Stature because they were annexed, champion and camera and grimes comes to mind somebody and I'm not convinced. He's a guy who should be champion yet, but that's a type of person that I'm talking about where you want to free up the title to give somebody like him in or you know him or somebody like him in opportunity to be given a boost by having title rain, but I think you want to have. You you WANNA have keithly gotta run I so to me if coal drops a title somewhat soon in order to get it to Keith Lee and then you're building that next round that next generation. Of, guys to then show that they're at that level. That's kind of the path that I would take, and that's where again Matt Riddle being champion on smackdown frees you up to have a really good opponent that makes sense for coal. To to be so anyway. Yeah, those are those are my additional thoughts and pitch for riddle, because then it gives you a reason to move coal and keithly up to the main roster, and the next group of guys from an xt can and heck you know annex. We Wa-. I mean Walter Outta sight outta mind. But Walter knew the guy who could could get a chance to get a boost in the way that cameron grimes could also on by being annexed champion. In a lot of the next title switch is. kind of felt like a changing of the guard and somebody loses the title they get promoted the main roster in kind of like you talked about it kind of cycles, the next group up everybody kind of moves up a level from there and A lot of times lately, especially with now that they've gone to two hours, they've gone to USA network off of the first runs airing on wwe network. It's kind of felt like more running in place, not that the shows have been bad or that. The wrestling has been bad or anything like that, but we haven't gotten that feeling of cycling through a new group, and maybe that's by design. But that was always the intriguing part of Annex. T is you know you can watch the same wrestlers on Rye we watch the same Russell is on smackdown every week. They're not GONNA change. From year to year, but in annexed T, I mean a lot can change in six months nine months twelve months. And that was kind of always part of the attraction, the the unsaid attraction of watching an x t and it hasn't happened for a while, so if scenario plays out as you've laid it out. That could really cycle some new talent up Damian priest, a guy who fits what you're describing cycling somebody up to that next level. Damian, priest would I think be type A guy who benefits from an NFC TOTTA run I'm not convinced he should get one, but I'm certainly convinced he shouldn't before he gets called up, I also think he someone who can call up to the main roster sooner and do just fine without an annex tattoo run I. Don't think he needs it. But in terms of cycling, the next group, and if Adam Kogas called up to smackdown, it doesn't mean Colorado. Bobby Fish and Roderick strong jobs, and let's not rule out a tile rally title run, either in Annex, t he somebody who would benefit from seeming you know. Semi. Gov He bit of the semi. Vara is to inner circle. Is Colorado some comedy relief facial expressions body, which all that you may see champion? He's GonNa have great matches, and maybe it refrains how people see him, and he can come to the main roster, and suddenly is friends with coal or fo-. And you can tell that story, so I'm eager for those stories to be told and I'm not against been ballard by the way can't leave him out having a toddler in annexed, either as a guy who, when he loses it a moment of Christening for whoever defeats them whether it's a Damian priest Cameron Grimes Colorado early type Whoever would beat if he had a strong run with the title would get a big boost to heck Timothy Thatcher. If. He beat Fin Ballard. That would be a big boost from so yeah, I like that I. In in Walter so there's there's a group of people entering me to be there and it took to get around with the title. And Kohl's held a long time. So sometime in the next six months I think it makes sense to get the belt. Freed up from coal, so you can kind of get that next layer of exte- in opportunity to fight at that top level I. Don't know if Dominic died. Jakovic will be an annex long enough to to have that run, or if he's the right guy for he seemed seems like he might be more main roster ready, and then Gargano and champ are still there as guys who can always have one of the NFC title, even though the standbys. In kind of the faces of the brand and the idea of the brand. I think are better situated in annexed than raw smackdown I think they can be kind of I. Don't know if they'll be lifers there, but I'm not against it. Yeah. They seem to prefer being annexed from from comments that they've made in in media and things like that so. Yeah for sure and carrying cross. Throw him in there, too, so let's. When he become a VIP member one of the perks we don't talk a lot. About are the back issues. 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Don't to attack the thesis, but if the notion is that in order to grow, they need to be more like an T. why isn't annex? T hit their second million viewers yet and wise. Dynamite consistently outperformed annexed. If that is the winning formula, not trying to be confrontational, but I just don't understand the narrative, so these are the females because it challenges our discussions, our thesis are a line of thinking. can either change your mind or at least get us to clarify our position You know. When I was posting on PW TORCH DOT COM, earlier being the from this week. Like. Kenya this is this is relying report. Can you make a laughs off the idea of doing media? While Holding Ketchup packet, Nick held up a bottle of fake vampire blood that he used for the blood on his arm. A Razor Blade is showing Matt's hand as they ask him what he used to fake the bleeding. He seems dizzy. Like! There's weird stuff going on being the elite, and some of that bleeds over onto a W, and some of it's happening with people with main event potential, and so the argument against the comedy is one eight W wh their thesis. Their mission statement I should say was. We're going be a more sports like presentation and quite a bit of what they're doing lately in the pandemic era. Era has been going off on tangents and doing more comedy stuff and I think the ideas they have a roster that's really equipped to go serious and I would argue with what they have be stronger than Annex T, which has a handicap, even though I love xt's booking and love the roster and loved the program and have said for a long time. It's my favorite TV show. Before last October and I think W is different, but right there with them now. But. I think annex. T has the stigma being the third bred out of three, and it's a it's approving proving ground. A W has the cachet of being the not to me the not corporate. Branded show, the the one that features wrestlers who are being unleashed and get to be themselves it. It is a true alternative, and so when you have that and you have the talent that you have who I think will make more money for you. Being framed more seriously much more often. That's the argument for aws going more serious because they have so much more to gain, because they don't have the the the constraint of being seen as the developmental third brand, also awa benefits one of the reasons that they've been bigger than an in the view in the ratings is they just have better settings in the Cova empty? Arena era, aws, major arenas, and just more major league in annexed. He looked more like a studio show and I really think that made a difference. I think that I don't know what percentage that is, but whether it's three percent or eighteen percent at somewhere in between there that I think it gave a ratings viewership boost advantage to aws. All things are equal, so there's other things i. I. Play Greg that would cause me to say. You can't just say we'll xt's more serious and as less comedy, and they're behind so a e W. if they got more serious would lose the advantage. They have on them. I. Think you can make a case that it's that aws is is prime equipped to. If they get more serious increase their lead your take on that topic. I certainly don't think adding the comedic elements that aws has added has hurt them I think you. You look at the Bayreuth for double or nothing. And it was I think higher than than some people expected based on the I reports that we've gotten out there. so you know what they've been doing has been successful. They've been able to keep that lead over x t in viewership, and especially the a key demographic viewership that that gap seems to keep widening by the week between Aws Annex. T so from a ratings perspective you know obviously they want to grow and I don't know if the answer to growth is being more serious, but the comedy that they've done and the. The humor that they've infused on their TV show has has worked pretty well. being the elite. I haven't I. I don't I'm not frequent viewer of that, but from a lot of the the reports that I read I mean a lot of the humor hits, and you talked about a lot of the roster being equipped to be a serious competitors, I would say that a lot of the Rosser is also equipped to be. Successful in terms of comedic timing and things like that and I think that that fans do want to see that because they've seen. Comedy in in a and and WWe, and a lot of the higher profile organizations, even dating back to WCW they've seen the comedy attempts just. Fall and quite frankly be pathetic and I think when you see a company who? Is Can do comedy well. I think that. Is An attraction to some people and I think it's also important to note that aws also doing the sports like presentation well. They're keeping track of records. It may not play as big of a part, but you know in a lot of the the key matches. They've been able to keep a serious. Not all of them, you know obviously the stadium stampede was not and there have been some other matches that have have not been. They've more. DDT matches from Japan than than anything else in. Kenya has been involved in some of them. I. Don't know how much that hurts his long term viability as as a type guy, I think. Right now it's not in the cards for him to be. The top of eight of you for whatever reason. And if he's biding his time doing comedy, you know the question is. Is that going to hurt when they eventually want to? Put Him Against Jon Moxley or make him a championship challenger or anything like that? I really don't think that's going to hurt him. That much I'm to the point where you know you need it for him to be serious now in preparation for him to be a challenger I just I I think that. Can Be. overstated a little so I really don't have a huge problem with the approach. Aws taking right now in terms of balancing. The comedy that they do in their show, and who is doing that comedy versus the presentation of a sports like atmosphere as well. I think one of the fears I have of Kenny is. He's going to seem quirky for awhile. To a lot of people in that's fine, but I also think he's going to. Enter the territory and it's a fine line. Of being just a flake. And I think he's got to be careful. that he doesn't just go so far with comedy that it isn't kind of quirky and funny, but he's just sort of a flake. He's not like an on self-aware guy. Who's doing things that just make you not take him seriously, and there's not much he could do to make you take him seriously anymore, and I, you know. I was a bit of Tully Blanchard's ran into this week. John Spears. A picture of me on your crotch. Put up with that. Do you want to be great or not I? Sort of feel like totally should be yelling his speech at Kenya Mega Right now. Honestly, that's the speech should be here and do you want to be great or do you want to? Do you know this Weird Quirky? Nobody gets that just I think, too. I think it alienates a segment of the bonds about the segment of the audience but it. It also alienates him from a segment of the audience and I'm concerned about that because there is a quirkiness that I think is massively marketable like Matt Riddle has, but you can go too far in be income across as a flake, and I think you lose people from top guy that happens and the trouble is. That line is different from for everybody. You know that line you talked about between being being quirky and kind of being a turnoff as As far as top star, that line is going to be different for every viewer, so you know you certainly have to be careful of how you present yourself, but there are people who probably have already turned off, can you may they're probably people who will always except Kenny Omega? No matter what quirks he brings to the table. You know whether it's because they just see him as a top star whether it's because they have memories of him in New Japan. Japan, being such a top star, and they know once he gets into a main event title-match bell to bell. He's going to bring that. It's not going to be quirky. Funny, odd Kenny Omega. It's going to be the guy we saw Japan and fighting over that title and Awa so that that line is going to be different for everybody. That's the tough part it helps when you're as frigging talented is Kanye, meg the ring to undo any concerns? With a lot more yeah, yeah! 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The Vikings had a sixty nine in the third, and then a double, but the score filled in one hundred in the fifth, when they showed the scores halfway as a retired competitive bowler I, said. This score doesn't make sense unless they went. Owen one which they did. Ll loved that that those thoughts entered a set. They probably found score calculator online and didn't realize that the mid Games on the mid game score. The score under the double shouldn't be filled until the third ball. Okay. Just just wanted to let everybody. That I I was what I bowled, and I looked at score I was like. Is that even possible, and should that be filled in like even cross my mind a little bit and then. Shortly after that, I stopped caring, but I gotta say I didn't disappointed myself. I didn't play pay close attention when I was in college I, took bowling as my phys ed credits. Learned, how? We learn how to keep score and all that kind of stuff. So I'm disappointed. I didn't catch that. Awesome. All right. Brian from Phoenix Arizona eight three hundred fifty one month POW torch VIP. Subscriber I haven't heard you. Put it that way Bryan. Thank you by the way so much. Hello Hopewell's with your family. During the May nineteenth twenty, twenty PNC torture VIP after show with Jason Pablo, you called E W founder Tony Kahn a superfan. My question is what is the difference between a Superfan and day money mark. A money market defined as a person with a lot of money. He wants to limit of fantasy of hanging out with wrestlers who legally tries to get as much money out of the person? Well, I'm certain. There are many local and regional money marks. National examples are herb, Abrams and dixie Carter in some circles. Tony Kahn with obvious love, a pro wrestling and having access to hundreds of millions of dollars could be the ultimate money mark. So, what is your difference between being Superfan or money mark? I'm interesting. Yeah, I get why Brian is saying you know the to have you seem to have. A relationship with each other. If you're a superfan with a lot of money spending a lot of money on wrestling, why are you? What would designate you a Superfan? Versus. Somebody spending money and I would say this. A superfan is someone who is a student of the wrestling industry who wants to promote wrestling loves professional wrestling studies, professional wrestling and wants to make more money on professional wrestling in yes, wants the respect of the rest and lights like saying it out with them. Money mark is the exact same thing. Except this is what defines the difference. A superfan promoter has the respect to the wrestlers for his wrestling knowledge in money mark doesn't have the respect of the wrestlers for his his his his outlook, promoting for his or her outlive, promoting philosophy and way that they deal with restaurants. A superfan promoter is someone who wrestlers have a genuine positive relationship with and WanNa make money together and grow together a money market. Somebody who rests who the wrestlers who worked. Worked for that promoter do not respect the promoter and are trying to get as much money as they can out of him or her before the promotion inevitably goes out of business because the money doesn't know what they're doing. That's why Tony Kahn I. Believe Qualifies as a Superfan. I think he's smart enough and has shown already a competency level on the business and promoting side while haven't agreed with everything and I'm still not sure on some things. I think he gets a really good grade for what we've seen in the past less than year and a half total since W. became a thing so. To me that would be the difference and that would be my definition. It's a good question because I do think about it, but I would say the definition is wrestlers respecting the promoter in wanting to grow with him and make money with them, versus what can because this guys or or woman is a loser? Greg how do you define that or degree? Your tickets you with my definition and characterization of those two terms. Yeah a little bit, and it's tough because you know superfan promoter is almost solely Tony Kahn. I mean we. We don't have a lot of other people who we can say that that that has reached a level of Tony Kahn's so it's kind of like. Yeah, we have these examples of people that we've called money. Marks DOT history, but as far as superfan promoter. Tony Kahn and so we're comparing it against him. I would say I think you're being very generous to the money mark. People out there. You know I I. I question when I consider the term money mark I I question the competency to run a wrestling company to I questioned the competency to choose people around them. Who Will? Help the business rather than just throw money at people. They've heard of before. You Know Money Mark I. Think is more interested in not developing new talent necessarily, but surrendered themselves with talent who? May. Have had a name in a previous generation and think that they can get More out of those people than kind of developing the talent for the future, and not really having. A good business plan for the future. You know it's all about getting by this week getting by next week and So I I'm I'm a little harsher I think on on the money mark and the definition of that then you might be. I didn't like when I look back at past promoters, I don't think Kerry silken qualifies as a warning mark. I think he had a genuine passion and vision for ring of honor inside through, and kept it alive and make good business decisions and I think the wrestlers were on his side. Todd Gordon. Founder of W. There was money mark aspect as pawnshop owner, a jewelry shop owner. In the way that wrestlers looked at him, and yet in in granted, he obviously was by Paul. Paul Heyman's vision in execution and all that, but I respect for what todd saw in the marketplace and his goals with the CW, which I I I think there's I think there's qualities of both superfan and money mark with him, but I think. He made the right choices with Paul Heyman and the right compromises to succeed as long as they did. So you know dixie Carter is dixie Carter and Tony Connor Justin comparisons because they're. They're children of really rich families. As was. The man less. Oh! You know he's. He's a legacy comes from a family legacy of promoters, but anyways certainly handed the keys to. That was great, but he didn't like birth or other people's money. He took risks and and made more money quick enough to then reinvest in his own business to make things bigger. When I interviewed him in. The mid nineties. That was very much the story he he pitched to me. His biographical story. Which is you know? He put everything on the line and there was no guarantee it was going to work. dixie Carter falls more in the realm of. Getting funded by the parents try to keep TNA alive as sort of a project to keep her occupied that she had a genuine interest in. And so that's a little bit different than. Blowing your own money just to be around restaurants I mean everybody's stories different and there's wants is, but I think of the whole long list of people who fall in the category of getting into the wrestling business with a lot of money. So far, I think Tony Kahn. More on the side if you go with my definition of the difference between them way closer to a Superfan, who's also a savvy businessman who has his eye on the bottom line, a end up unraveling or being proven untrue, but I think the key is I. Don't think wrestlers who work with them are saying. Let's welcome until there's nothing left and then go to our. Our next job I. 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Do you think we'll get a bailey versus Sasha match at a big time event like summer slam the possibility of some sort of crowd Bailey's character has made me so much more intrigued with this. Thanks for you in keep safe out. Gregoire you on Bailey and how she's doing during the empty arena pandemic era, is she? Impressed you or not more than she then the trajectory that she was on before this. Yeah I think she's done a nice job. On that I, think could have benefited from not being in front of a crowd and getting to do her thing without it, and and you know she's one of the few who's actually had banter with the announcers because I mean obviously when the middle of imagine, and there was no fans. It's all different now that they brought in annex. T wrestlers to act as a defacto crowd by I mean you commentary was at ringside? You kind of silly to imagine your. They're not hearing it. It so for her to kind of have these mid match interactions with Cole I mean It kind of made her stand out a little, because not everybody was doing that and she's done a nice job being a heel and that was you know. Maybe it was low expectations because I saw her character in x t and wwe and I'm thinking okay. There's no way they can turn this woman. He'll, and they've done it and she's really embraced it. She's done a nice job to the gear. Change the hair change the. New Music, I think it's all really helped her and to establish her heel character. You know the the deal was Shebang. Though is I mean we've been talking about this for years. You know will. There won't daybreak up and WWE's teased. They've gone further than teasing it before and then pulled back on it, so it's almost like it's one of those things that it'll happen when it happens and I'm tired of predicting one, it'll happen. You know that sort of thing, but it came to me while watching. smackdown. Friday show is that Bailey volunteering Sasha banks for these matches and my thought was. They should keep doing that and Sasha banks should keep winning every one of these matches that Bailey volunteers for some point. Sasha banks is going to be like look. I've beaten everybody now I'm the I'm the only one you know who is deserving of this title shot because I'm the one who's one of these matches, and you're the one who's put me in that position. So that's you know I was thinking when Sasha should really. Demand that title shot, so I don't know how they'll do it. I don't know when they'll do it, obviously they. They've started a little bit of a tease for it already. But. You know that's that's a big time smackdown women's feud. That's coming down the pike in the next few months. I. Am hire on now than I was before the pandemic air. I think she's. Done well I. Don't know if it's better writing or just finding our stride or working better without fans. Were that kind of breaks cadence of her promos, or what, but I barely Sasha think feels like it's a few. That's been revved up a little and then been booked poorly and forgotten about, or they change their mind and I. Think there finally on-track I think you just said is a great way for this eventually, play out and to specifically answer this question. I Jackson I think we're GONNA. End Up with a big time. Sasha Bailey match that I will finally give Sasha chances of baby face to be what she was once annex, t a franchise, centerpiece act, and and I have some questions about about. Compared to say Becky Lynch. In Charlotte as a top top actor, not take Ria Ripley above of Sasha draft right now if I'm filling my roster, but. That doesn't mean that I. Don't think the best way to utilize her is to let her have a moment of being Lee centerpiece, lead, baby, face, coming and defeating someone who has turned into I think ineffective. Character in, Bailey. Who I thought was lost for a while, and I was an advocate for believing separate from Sasha initially and for her to grow and actually think Bailey now has because of some good booking. or at least intriguing interplay that's been that's been given to them to have. I think Bailey's actually grown because of the ability to play off of Sasha so. They've they've managed to steer steeler way into what I think is a better situation than I than I would have predicted with these two together sitting here at the beginning of June. Aloha torch fateful. This is Kelly wells of. Talks and t every Thursday you can hear me and my gang of idiots. Tom Style shares thoughts from the live tapings and Torch Recap Lindbergh as well as a rotating cast of guests cover the matches and events in Annex. T live on USA network search beat tortured and apple podcasts or your podcast APP to subscribe or listen on demand and see the entire pw torch daily cast schedule at PW Torch daily past dot com jeers. Okay let's jump to the next question here. This comes from grant. Hey, wait I love all your podcast and I listened daily, but own ever. Let's get to the next one. Don't kidding but I. Have to take issue with you have to take you to task about something. You skewered Awa, last week about not having their crowds, socially distant or with masks, but on Friday night on smackdown two days later, literally, the second segment of the show had about ten wrestlers without masks, not counting which party. In close quarters, yelling at each other in aws has an open air venue, and you still killed him about having about a royal and smackdown did the same thing with no mention of it I. Love Your podcast, but I want to keep you consistent. Keep up the good work. Yeah I mean guilty as charged. You know I. IT crossed my mind this post show. We're watching smackdown. smackdown show just it just didn't come up. But. I think smackdown is as guilty if not more of of. Just sort of feeling a little too cavalier too soon. I think. You know not to get too deep into a covert argument but I think we've learned a lot in the last couple of months, and that's the whole point of social distancing and shutting things down as we've gotTA learn more. Can we get this from groceries? Being delivered to our house, we need to disinfect every box. Everyone's GonNa. Get Cove in nineteen. Can someone biking? Going out biking, get covert nineteen. If the only time they ever left their houses to go biking. If they're not wearing like those were all we just didn't know and we. We know a lot more now and we have a lot more medical equipment. A lot more masks, readily available more ventilators. The hospital staffs are better equipped to handle this in, so it does make sense to some degree to things up more now with this new information and. You know. Every state's doing a little bit differently. Every community's different and keep studying and learning and figuring out the most prudent way to quickly open society again with the least amount of risk. and. That's exactly what pro should be going through. My argument is that there's been a sudden. Surge in what I what appears to be a cavalier attitude towards it now. The benefit the advantage that smackdown has over aws score of WHO's being more careful as the plexiglas. The advantage aws is being open, open air arena, and that's a huge being an open air versus indoors. Is a big difference in terms of. The risk of catching it. As is the amount of time you spend in front of somebody who might be infected, and even if not showing symptoms in in. Infect somebody else. But there the performance center, not a living room, not a drugstore performance center. It's almost open, so there's certainly a benefit there. SMACKDOWN and wrestlers not always, but when I'm the time I spent looking at them. They seem to be kind of sticking to the spot on the floor. They're supposed to stand, so they're standing there. Socially spaced more than a lot of the W. wrestlers at ringside were so that's another point in favor of smackdown, but we can sit here and kind of personnel that, but the fact is is not not many masks, not one hundred percents drexel spacing and battle royals at a time when the way you defend yourself having live wrestling at a time when all other sports are still shut down. The way defended is we're taking many precautions as we can? While still telling progressing stories I'm not sure about a royal should be part of wrestling right now. Having that many people mixed with each other and physical contact for fifteen minutes, which was the case with the with about a royal on smackdown, so yeah, they both don't get a good grades for me last week I think they need to find a more of a middle ground and remember the era were in not just to protect wrestlers, referees, and camera, guys and producers, but just to set an example just to set a better example for society, and I think that they are as a nationally televised program. They, would they use word offer? They ought to be setting a better example for everybody out there because they're a small group of people who are being tested, but when they're not, they're not wearing masks, and mixing like that I think it does send a message to people. Watching that must be okay in those people aren't being tested. They're not self isolating. They're not having their temperature taken before they go outside. And interact in places of business so for all those reasons I. Hope I hope they both. Find, a way to. To adhere to an observe. The recommended precautions more so visually. In the choices that they're making and and so yeah. I mean it's good to call me on that. Thank you for listening to the weight Keller pro wrestling podcast. Be sure to subscribe also, if you haven't yet subscribed to the weight Keller pro wrestling post shows this show the podcasts have our blue logo. The Way Taylor pro wrestling post shows have our red logo just Wade Keller and Apple podcasts, or were every listed a progressing podcasts and click subscribe to the red logo, and you can download our raw smackdown, eighty W, and sometimes t shows I'm joined by a Co host to added different perspective to the analysis for the show where we. We talked to live callers onsite correspondent or in the building. Who Tell us what did not air on TV and we also answer Male Bay questions. 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Recapture, or person out there whose reviewing wrestling so. If you were to do it every single time, wwe or a w? Broke some sort of rule about social distancing or anything like that I. Mean you're recap would just be filled with that so? I'm a little more sympathetic to you in your plight in that you know. When you're when you're typing up a show as it's going on and try I, I know what it's like. When you're trying to get every detail of things going on. Sometimes you miss a thing or two here and there. So I? Get it and you know you've done a very nice job of pointing out. The Times that. They could be better and they could do better. And for all the reasons you said not only for the safety of the performance, but also four. The optics of people watching at home and you know they right or wrong. People Watch get home. Take their cues from how people act on television whether it's politicians or or wrestlers strangely enough, and you know if they see guys and better oils that they see. The lack of social distancing or social spacing. They might think it's okay, and so you know it's. It's situation where it's kind of better safe than sorry. You know you're doing it for the betterment of your talent, but you're also doing it for the betterment of society as a whole. I don't know if wwe or eight. Oh you think that way, but they should, because they are on national television, seen by national audience, and we're trying to keep this this pandemic quelled, and so you know they they do have a responsibility whether or not they admit to it that. They're kind of the leaders in this and if you've watched NASCAR, are. The other sport that sort of back and you know they're keeping people on pit road has asked when the drivers get out. After a race they have a the interviews are standing. Socially distanced apart from the race car drivers when they're interviewing them so. You Know Nascar is certainly strangely enough I mean you don't think of NASCAR as as the. At the front of the sort of thing and and being. Aware enough to to be socially distance, and maybe progressive enough to be. At, the front of Being example of how people should still be, you know we're not out of this yet and so. They've done a better job from what I've seen than than what www have? What we did. We did a good job for ten weeks. Now we're just going to test the limits in the other direction and I just get the temptation and I get the the fallacy of well I. Don't know anybody who has it so therefore it must not be that bad and not understanding your just a couple mistakes away from meeting. Someone else who made. Made a couple of mistakes to blowing this thing up again, and in in in that's in so when you look at Nascar setting that example with the masks. It's so normal it's so accepted. There's nothing about a wrestling product. That's GONNA. Make people uncomfortable if the referee and the camera people, and the in the case of smackdown Awa the wrestlers at ringside. If, they're wearing masks while cheering. While also by the way being socially spaced. If, everyone's facing the same direction in yelling at the PLEXIGLAS. That's different than facing somebody. In talking at them in to them, and so can socially space a little less than six feet. If you're doing that I don't know I, hope they've consulted experts, but maybe that's argument. And then when you add in the factor that they've had their temperature taken there, they. Taking sort of tasks. And their in theory, being told well not told to it here to some self isolation between tapings, and in theory they're doing that. You've got a relatively low risk situation, even when you mix ten people in about relative to Dan, random strangers, getting into a bar and having dinner together with a with a server who's been around one hundred other people during that day, or you know a someone barbershop who has symptoms and is trying to hide them because she wants to. Show for work payday and she's for a whole week around dozens and dozens of people unbeknownst to that she like those are more dangerous situations than wrestling show, but it it comes down to still minimizing risks. You don't completely shut down and also setting a good example. If you'd like to hear this show without ads and plugs interrupting. There's one thing you can do right now to make that happen. That has become a POW torch. 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Go check it out. CW TORCH IP INFO DOT COM. Okay turning the tape to Let's see here Dave says enjoying my return VIP the last couple of months and have been digging through the back issues, really interesting to see the backstage notes on events that took place when I focused on just what I saw on TV. I was wondering if you recall edge versus Horton from vengeance, two thousand and four your July seventeenth, two thousand and four pro wrestling torch newsletter cover story, featuring a dissection of how overrated that match was the first paragraph reads as a Jim Ross and Jerry. lawler raved about the radio edge match calling it an all time classic. Was it though certainly the final five minutes good as you can get the previous twenty minutes, though drake badly so that was my quote from that back issue so back. He goes so. So clearly, this isn't the first time et matches being over hyped, and then wanted to break down the match, which featured thought of article beatdown long wrestled in most of the first twenty minutes for most of the first twenty minutes. It seems this is also a time. When both were much younger. In addition, no other edge and singles matches been remarkable I checked the records and even Dembele star ratings as well. It seems to me that these two don't have much in ring chemistry as opponents. Would you agree? Greg your thoughts on. Edge and Orton as their history together in the ring and the hype in the marketing of this match coming up later this month. All I can think now is I must have posted my thoughts about that show on a message board somewhere in two thousand four and I can't wait to go back and see what I thought. So. That'll that'll be my afternoon today if you're wondering what I'll be doing after this interview. Yeah I mean. It is the build up to so bizarre and you know we're so far removed from that though. And Ran Yordan is a different well I don't know if he's a different wrestler, but. Edge is certainly in a different place in his career than he was then. I think I. Don't really know if it's fair to use that as A. Barometer of where we think this edge, Randy ORTON IS GONNA. Go you know they've they've been hammering the greatest match. Ever Monitor so hard that you could just kind of feel like there's going to be a swerve whether or not you know or. Kids queued like three minutes into the match or something like that to rob all the fans of the greatest match ever that had been promised. Because if you do an actual twenty minute wrestling match in it, for whatever reason is not the greatest match ever then you know you're gonNA have a lot of fans upset at wwe for marketing it that way especially if they continue to embrace that slogan after the match when it so clearly wasn't and. Given given where they are in their careers or certainly on the downside edge, just having come back from. Retirement years of retirement. And now you know this is his first wrestling matches and the. At wrestlemainia was. Very different than the mantle probably have at backlash, but also really did not give you a lot of confidence about. Even, them straight up wrestling matches. Just the whole thing has been bizarre and I. I'm hoping that after backlash will be saying so that's why they built it as the match ever now I get it, but right now. It's just kind of in that. You shaking your head every time they talk about it. I do want to let everybody know that I. Think this Friday. The killer person polls show is going to be the greatest Poe show effort. So. Tune it. We'll see if it works. We'll check the numbers. Definitely. But I might lose credibility if it's just an average show. Back to our last topic quicker, Zach Texas He. Said there's been a lot of discussion about ww social distancing practices, and whether setting a bad example. Here's my take. My grandma watches the news all day and I. Get alert on my phone, so I'm inundated with pandemic discussion for a couple of hours for a couple hours a night twice a week. I'm just looking to escape I know it's not a total escape, but it's something I take cody at his word when he describes aws thorough testing procedures ws credibility is a little more suspect, but I. until I hear different all believe them, too. That's why I can be comfortable with wrestlers interacting with one. One another I'm not looking for W. W. set an example. This is about personal responsibility. Wrestling show should not be the deciding factor as to whether someone chooses to protect themselves or not anybody using wwe or w as an excuse for not wearing a mask was a lost cause looking for an excuse in the first place. So that's another. Take on IT I. Don't think entirely invalid take I would counter and say if you can set a good example for people who are sort of borderline on. How seriously should I take the time here in lots of different things, if suddenly role models on television? Are Setting a better example. They're making it seem normal in okay and it. Kinda cool to wear a mask to protect just yourself, but that vulnerable person who might be going to the drugstore to get Anita. Prescription and they don't have anyone else who can go for them, but they're vulnerable if they get covid nineteen you wearing a mask protects them. It's just the decent thing to do. If AWS WWE are showing that it is if they're normalizing it. That's not taking you out of your escape. What takes me out of my escape? Is, watching an entertaining Russell show where I'm worried about the wrestlers in a word about the camera, people and worried about the announcers and I'm wondering if this is on camera. What kind of cavalier attitude is happening backstage? That is what prevents me from escaping fully into a wrestling show so to me a wrestling show that helped me. Escape is one that shows visually that it's taking the the precautions that can take without any detriment to otherwise the product, being being entertaining that it's being presented, so I just take the view that amazing people without masks interacting actually less of an escape because it makes me fearful. And it's important to remember. These are real people you we kind of. His sort of larger than life characters, and we see them as action figures sometimes, but you know these are real people, and their health should not be set aside because you want to escape by watching the show and I think that's a really important distinction to make. You know. I do think aws. WWE are taken as many precautions as they can simply because. You. Know a positive test for anyone or or anything like that could be a detriment to the brand and the show as a whole. You Know I. Don't know if they're still kind of cycling rosters in and out I. Know WWe still taping. Different shows at different times. So that's that's helping. WWE KINDA got lucky with the one quote unquote on air talent who tested positive and then sort of recovered, but You know if it's a wrestler who has wrestled for weeks, and they're just finding this out and you know all of a sudden. You're going to take some of the other wrestlers off the road and everyone interacted with and. That's that's a real big bump in the road for these companies, not only from an image standpoint, because you're going to have people pointing fingers and saying. Why didn't you do more? To protect your wrestlers, but also a storytelling point of view especially if they are big name wrestlers, so it isn't the best interest of these companies to do as much testing as they can. 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I must say I really do like these episodes so far especially with the knowledge taker is in his career. If this were fifteen years ago when I knew he'd still be here, I definitely be pissed a little, but today and knowing these are some of my last memories of him. I'm enjoying the different approach angles. There was a point in the most recent episode where he. He mentioned that the garden will let you know if you didn't deliver I. Don't recall the match specifically, but hasn't the crop in ninety eight percent respectful across the board whenever he's been out there regardless of the performance under recall any match where the crowd is completely crapped on, or even if it was a bad match, or he performed poorly. Am I missing something here or is he underestimating the respect? He has given and well not received the negative reaction. He's looking for a trigger until his output is far below what he makes it appear like is the floor of acceptability. So. A Greg. It's a good opening for us to talk a little bit about the undertaker documentary, the first two parts really. Pulling the curtain back, letting you get to see undertaker, I know I want to acknowledge. The the controversy of him, making the deliberate choice to send certain signals out there in terms of the t shirts, he wore and and political statements that I think a lot of people would enjoy the documentary more without though, so it could just be in a political. Story about undertaker that said the story of undertaker in the narrative goes back to leading Roman reigns in the fans down with a an embarrassing performance, a filmed him watching back the match. In wanting to redeem himself, and then they, you know told this elaborate story of this comeback with Sina and just screw to the issue of taker, wanting along matching and not getting one and it just being a few moves and I thought. You know if you're wondering Is this Guy Documentary? A good faith attempt to tell the full story? Look at how they just Oh, completely overlooked the elephant in the room which is why was match so short was at? At, John Cena white advanced. Make it short was he worried about taker was take her work so hard to be ready for that moment, and they barely gave them a chance to show how much better he was to the point that he didn't really redeem himself when he actually had a chance to. So That's the documentary chapter that I wanted to see at the end of partout when they just skipped over. So all that said, what is your take on? The the the connection to reality of the narrative that undertaker in the documentary is taking in terms of. Undertaker Marquel away wanting to redeem himself and and on his terms. I think it's hard from the outside looking into, criticize how anyone feels about their legacy. Because it's a different viewpoint from the outside versus from the inside. Is He. Being genuine in what he says about worrying about, it's like. I don't know if people are. They do yeah I do I don't have any reason to believe he's not. You know I I don't. See that as That's not a question I've had coming out of the first two episodes that I've seen. You know I had the same question you did about the senior match wrestlemainia and he kind of like. Shrugged it off in I think after the match. I was preparing for twenty eight and he just shrugged his shoulders and you could tell he wasn't real. Happy with with not having a longer match, but you know it kind of. Right. So. Yeah. I think he he is. Concerned with his legacy and I think. Watching that Roman reigns match back. You can kind of put yourself in undertaker shoes, and you can say man if I was. The kind of star, the undertaker is where I've become known for my wrestlemainia matches. I mean that's really what his career is about now. It's not about anything he's done before that. It's about the WRESTLEMAINIA streak. It's about the quality of matches that he puts out at Wrestlemainia and you know looking at that Roman reigns match with a critical eye, especially from being in the match, you can understand him being upset about it and you know him going to Roman reigns. That wrestlemainia after I think it was an apologizing to him. was really heartfelt moment and I. I think that was very genuine from him. So you know I've seen no indication that this is kind of put on or anything like that from his point of view. Harley remember the days when women's wrestling matches were relegated to the mid card, dumping ground and treated like an caloric intermission. You mean the era when it was only men in the top spots in the Fed's get in the biggest matches every night, yeah! Vaguely. Seriously while we might have a long way to go freely, have come a long way baby, and that's why we started grit and glitter. A car cast covering the best in the world of women's wrestling from the women. To The goddesses of startup and everyone in between each Tuesday emily myself and our team of guest correspondence talk the best matches and the biggest news in women's wrestling. Plus interviews deep dies and discussions about everything for media representation to gear to women behind the scenes ropes, just search P W torch in the podcast APP your choice to subscribe or listen on demand and see the entire pw torch David cast schedule at POW. Torch, CAST DOT COM. All Right? Let's wrap up with this regarding last week's smackdown. Decay from Maryland. I'm walking my dog and listening to the way killer hotline recapping smackdown as I began writing this, it was six thirty am, and I shouldn't be this angry. With emails you read. I went to expect you to remember I've not watched any of the wwe since the Khashoggi assassination I, hear all my news about them through the amazing torch coverage, so go VIP. Stay, VIP. It's ten dollars a month that you do not feel dirty spending. Jeff Hardy! This man has gone through hell with his disease. He's been an amazing comeback story at times only to fall again and again here's to abstain clean as long as he can. One day at a time what happened on smackdown? And then the word set by shameless or not just in poor taste. They are infuriating. This isn't him getting into the police involvement. I am in recovering been for over ten years, which is something I hope to be for the rest of my life, because there's no cure for addiction I've lost friends and family to this disease hell, it destroyed my first marriage so to lash out and call him pathetic junkie. Even if Jeff Hardy approved it, it should not happen ever I know WB is very helpful when it comes to their employees needing to go to Rehab, which I'm sure they would bring up if there is pushback about this angle that. That said this is just another case them exploiting an employee in looking down on them I'm so glad there is other great wrestling around these days twenty eighteen was last straw for me, but since then they have nothing anything to try to get me back. No, instead they have done more to validate my decision. I have my own personal Hashtag, which is take wwe free since two thousand eighteen and I think I will be using going forward for a long time, even if I have to sacrifice watching X T. Thanks ratings. Sorry about the length of the keep up the amazing coverage. Bruce Mitchell is worth ten dollars month alone. Everyone should just canceled out to be network and get a torch VIP subscription instead. Thank you decay from Maryland. That would be great by the way everybody like. You know anybody who's w just canceled side. As small business we would take that surge of business, and we'll tell you about everything happening on WB network, Anyway Torch Dot com slash go VIP if you want to get information on signing up for VIP, it's up to you what you do with w network subscription, but you heard decay. You heard decay all right great. So? Yeah, what what? What was your thought process watching that play out. Did it strike you as uncomfortable and dangerous? Did they redeem themselves? How do you feel about Dennis and we had a caller last. Friday on the PO show very passionate about this topic to saying. This isn't a story that they feel comfortable. WWe telling well, and they don't think it should be used as a story on a wrestling show, so this gets into the question of what's fair game. From a story standpoint fictionally and also amplifying when you're actually telling the story about somebody who, in real life has had these issues. Yeah. I. They've done this before with Jeff Hardy. You know they've they've done this before with him. and. I think the outcry was the same at that time to Hawk and. Gosh yes. So it isn't the first time and that's how the defense? I saw this on twitter and I. It kind of echoes. My feelings is that W E is. Using the. Wants to use their product as an escape from the pandemic and what's going on in real life and now they're bringing a real life into their program, so they of want both ways here. You Know Jeff Hardy is such a charismatic interesting guy in so many ways why wwe feels the need to go to this well. Constantly with him to tell the story is is beyond me and you know as someone who you know is is not touched by you know the kind of disease that Jeff Hardy is is trying to overcome and I'm not happy with it, and so when you hear an email from someone who you know, he may not have been watching, but there were people who are in recovery. Who are who are watching this and to imagine what they're thinking while they're watching something like this on TV to someone they know is working day by day to try to overcome this I can't imagine how. Disgusted they must feel to watch something like that so. I certainly wish wwe had taken a different tact, and I think that's the sad part. Is that Jeff Hardy himself not only himself as a real person, but what has already been established with his character, and WWe is such an interesting guy that there are so many different avenues. WWE could explore with him as baby face, and they've chosen to take the cheap way out again and. You know it just makes you feel uncomfortable watching it. We're about to go to another commercial break. Why are you listening to commercial breaks? Why deal with these interruptions when you can become a VIP member support the weight Keller pro wrestling podcasts way Taylor. 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Totally Setup Jaffe hasn't relapsed, and Jeff gets to stand there and say I haven't released. Shame set me up. He took advantage and he has a rant. That is the type of rant that people have are ranting against wwe with, but in a storyline character context he. Tells story articulately about shameless. You don't mess with somebody who's done this for your own gain. You might be jealous of the attention that I'm getting because you're not getting. The same kind of attention will solve that by winning matches. Don't solve it by trying to exploit my past and my mistakes in as as some sort of launching point for you to get attention that was shameful of which if it goes on some passionate speech and gets to articulate how difficult it is for someone to go through recovery and stay sober, and how it's daily battle in shameless, does that make it better or worse if it's as artfully executed as possible? In weights w data mean in a way that's doubling. But it's also tying ripping around something because he didn't really relapse, it was just this bad guy who's supposed to be a bad guy claiming he relaxed when he did it, so yeah, that's that's where I expect the the the story to go jeff. Hardy coming out at the end of smackdown and having the. Fury in his offense that had against shameless I fully expect that to be revealed on Friday that that to be the case where Jeff Hardy was framed. So, it probably makes it a little better, but the fact that they use this at all. still feels cheap and still feels you know. UNCALLED FOR AND NOT NOT NECESSARY I mean that's that's the bottom line is there are tons of different stories you could tell and without hurting anyone without hurting anyone watching without making anyone uncomfortable, watching or anything like that, and and you could tell them in interesting in and numerous ways and they chose not to do that again. And, they would look at the ratings and say look. We've got viewership backup around two point. Two million and we think part of that was the buzz generating. Thus generating angle, they were at two point one seven million viewers. They did a one point three nine rating highest ratings since. April and so you know. I mean I'm not. That's not to undo anything you just said. I'm just saying they respond to be. You know we do what works and maybe they don't always even feel great about it. They're not sure it's the right thing. But in their mind. That was part of what led to. A resurgence in viewership, and then we'll see if it sticks or if people were turned off when we see what the numbers are this Friday. Yeah? It doing what is good for business does not mean it shouldn't be criticized. I'm just saying this might have been good for business and might have intrigue. Some people and gotten people really worked up about Jameson coming to the Defense Jeff. Hardy or invested in worried for forum. So I'm not fully judging yet, but I had I was queasy, watching especially at the getting until it kind of struck me probably where they were going with it. Softened a little bit, but I do not dismiss. The words of Dennis or Craig and others who have spoken out against this as going into territory that just is they don't think the story can be told. told effectively, and without doing harm or ceiling, seeming exploitation and I very much respect that point of view and it's very much on my mind as I continue to watch this. Yeah and I think that that's also we also take into account WWE's history with with angles like this and they're not the most. Gentle with how they're telling these stories, so I think that's where a lot of resentment comes is we've kind of seen things like this before? And they haven't always been handled well. 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Turnbuckle Tabloid-Episode 173

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Turnbuckle Tabloid-Episode 173

"The views expressed on this turnbuckle tabloid livestream or turnbuckle tabloid podcast episode do not reflect the views, thoughts or opinions of the rage works brand. Including the rage works podcast network rage works content partners, advertisers, and affiliates, viewer and listener discretion is advised. Juba. You're listening to turnbuckle Pablo, turnbuckle. Day six hundred and seventy six wicket same. Wrong in seven hundred. We're almost at the seven hundred. They were hitting the seven. Although we are hitting our strides and numbers of New York City where people are actually doing what they're supposed to be doing. We don't know about that. Number is going up. I heard it's A. Citywide it was St St. St St. All this man, I'm I I've been told by a couple of family members who? who their girlfriends work in the? City hospital known research department like the research like the data and numbers and stuff and. They're saying. Get ready because we're. We're going to be locked in again for a couple of another lease another couple of weeks. So you know why, because of the again, because people don't fucking getty. No, they don't get. Our guys back in the building. Albouy Mike and We gotta get you like a intro song or some shit like that. It's been too long. It's gotta be like Ice Cream. Man Kind of ice cream took the cells coke on. A simple clean up in the dairy. Dairy! You know what that's a good idea. Painting feeding this working. Your previous job, oh no! Milk and you know this is. This whole I. Would probably lose my fucking mind when I go in there fucking stock show Mike Look in the paper. I must tell you though I must tell you I like to I like I. Like the hair you got going on during this whole Kobe thing who you've been seeing my. My God like this whole like Grease Grease lassie, yet the. Can. Committee with his. From happy days. 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Isn't gotTA GOTTA go. Draws. Sheets, and my, we don't know J.. No all right and my hat's I. Don't know why have come on my head, but that's. Really. What have you been doing? The right hand has. visit right hand, ANALOG DRIFT NO! Tell you. Something I could crush a walnut with my my right hand easily. Oh! I can make peanut butter with A. Comeback Somebody. Walk into. My worship was like he screamed. How much you charge! The guy was like fifteen he goes. You're joking, right? He goes. No, you do. Their tortured fifty dollars down the block and he goes what and has been outside. They're like yelling at the barbershop because they're charging fifty and the guy was like my prices. Get the fuck out. Wait a minute women fifty forty four hundred fifty dollars all. I was where they were charging my. He was mad about he was he was. He was upset because he thought he felt like they were. He was misleading them and like taking advantage of the customers off. My Barber was upset because he was like I never even thought about overcharging, he goes. Well he was. He was because he has more. Easily. Opens. It's its price matt. How much you pay today I'm like twenty with tiptoes Bro. That's the same price as when before Kobe. Right I'm like. Yeah, he goes exactly he goes. What the fuck are we doing? What are we doing? Honestly, he goes, you know. I'd rather just give these people outside of my razor and go to ham on themselves. Fuck fucking! Get it over with. The this is the problem. The problem is that society is is. Basically fracking killer be killed. Survival of the fittest. Fuck you all now you know the people who don't WanNa, wear masks and the people who think that God heals everything and the people that. You know by the way fucking, and by the way I just got I just got just got into a big war with someone online because I didn't make God. Capitalized sorry. Sorry About the other thing. Yeah! I. Don't say that ladies and. Cadillac. 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Had to sixteen and the APP that I use automatically generated it and I was like. That's the way to do it, so all I did was like move one or two around because like I. This one doesn't. But other than that everything else was like legit. Acres Voting it was pretty easy to pick. There wasn't anyone that was really hard to decide. I still upset at really hardcore. Supposedly wrestling fans, really only one person voted for the Midnight Express. I'm like against. Henry did that vote. Purpose No I. Think I think it was on a modern day team, so I have to look. Up Again? Thanks, thanks, thanks listeners now. I think it was I. think it probably walk of courses to fucking. You'll have to call either one of these teams of all time, and it's GonNa Make Me WanNa go repent Oh. Like me of watching the boxing. You have one old fart I remember when the minimum. Twenty canoe. Because There was giving us shit before there was a diverse group here, but apparently not. 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It seems like Recent decisions are making it seem like he wants to shoot himself in the foot, so we'll figure that out more than the foot, but. We'll get to it. We've wrestling rundown with more news of speaking out as well as news about possibly getting fans in the building eventually sooner rather than later, and of course around the squared circle where I have a lot of Jim Cornet you to talk about because he ran this week. Ross smackdown annex, t eight. We have the first week of Greenberg. Integrate Milky Way. Believe me I'll tell you a couple of. This is going to roll soon. Someone's going to fire and we're GONNA go on. Go on his rent about the Puppy Bowl so ladies and gentlemen the. The puppy. Battle Royale Roy out unless they were Lucia mask I am not are neutral mass. I not approve of this unless they ll mask. And of course we have a big interview with a retiring giant in the business and friend of the show TJ Marconi comes back this week and. Wild. Interview discussing discusses his thoughts about the whole. The landscape wrestling right now with the allegations and stuff, and even talked about his personal connection what was going on and as well as what he's looking forward in the future poacher? We talk collectibles Funchal pops wrestling no a big man like that with such a cuddly teddy bear I know they usually are in the wrestling world. Hit on that. I'm sort of. THE BIGGEST GUYS! Putting ought. To be a team as we. JUST GONNA put. On that, but says I'm looking into TJ interview. Yeah, he's. Everything's been going on. Yeah, we need to hear somebody. Give their point of view the only giant I'm waiting to find out. He's a colleague Guys Juba. Get back on that one Jubal. mckenry friendly, giant, big fucking pussy. I love being big show, but was he a friendly giant? was like three minutes. quiet giant. Yeah, he's a quiet giant. Guys all right. Don't go anywhere. Stick around. We will return with more hold on. 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Jason Goes, is there a glare or Matte? Scare the Sun. Bowl throw. The! Sun's shining bright on my ass meets a actually mad as a he's an extra from. From twilight. Yeah, I'M UH! When he shined into son, exactly, it's fucking terrible. Jacob. Double. Double. The fatter more just put your face or more more portly humour poorly, so guys is vents killing WWF purpose. You give me a rundown of what has been the transpiring of what the fought. WWe has been doing for the past months also years Yes well, let's let's go over the recap. REAL QUICK I! Mean Vincent Man has officially cancelled the push Shayna Baiser we haven't seen her on TV since money in the bank, and that's actually getting a lot of buzz right now for for quite frankly upsetting the wrestling fan base for why they doing this cove, and became an absolute disaster at the performance center, a lot of people getting tested positive, also They officially have to change venues. The going back to full sail which? Oh my God. That was a whole disaster in itself on these stupid touchy subject gimmicks where I think. They're doing on purpose to get some bad taste in people's mouths, I'm sorry, but we're gonNA talk about it around the circle last night on smackdown was absolutely disgusting, and I was actually really fucking. Offended by that by what they did last night. seriously. Do you not see Jeff Hardy them? Shova fucking drink and Jeff. Hardy's face and say drink it. Are you kidding me like? Mike is there anything else you got. WBZ's. Benson killing WB. Yes, on purpose! No, so yeah, what we'll! We'll get to that, but by the way guys phone lines are open as always as you knew as I. Know is open, three, five, three, seven, one, three, six, seven. That's three, one, five, three, seven, one, four, three, six, seven. It's been killing wwe on purpose just just based on the list. I said I would say so I. Here's my thing I. It's clear that WWe's being affected by Vince his actions by Bruce Prichard. You know by the whole gang crew. Whatever you WANNA call them. Is It on purpose I? Don't think so. I would really hope not because the fact that you want us to yourself on your own foot doesn't make any sense to me, but I just think that the problem is the common problem that he has. He's out of touch and he. He thinks what he's doing legitimately right I. Don't think he's having this blueprint plan where he's like I'm GonNa. Put this guy over, and it's GonNa. Fuck up my ratings. I think it's more like guys. I just worked in ninety eight. Why isn't this working now? I think it's a problem of taste. I think it's a problem of of communication errors, a problems within the within the main people in the back. I think it comes down to. I think comes down to. Just Vince being Vince you know and being the stubborn seventy six year old man that he yoked. On a fun answer what it comes down to. It comes down to knowing Vince and knowing what he's done in the past and how it's affecting today. What might you? You've been a fan of WBZ for well, that's. Why you arrested when you? Need a wrestling, wasn't it? Right I remember going to blockbuster and renting is like my. Right before I grew up watching mostly in the air, but I've always wanted to go back and watch old stuff even if it's like the bad stuff, if you consider the nutrition, ninety four right except. There's still a lot of wrestling. But the thing is that whatever the Hiccup was during those times they always had these these glimpse of greatness back to the fold like. They're still so.