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"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast
"Right? Because it's like, are there gonna be guys who just like see the robo zone a lot more or a lot less because of this? Yeah, I guess potentially. Potentially. When you play. Yeah, so I don't know. I do want to share something I came across, which is I'm hiring related. Now, Joshi and made the point because as I understand it, there was kind of a controversial call in the big game as they call it. And you know, here's the thing about it. The call was right? Yes. But also, it didn't have a sense of the moment, you know, it didn't. It isn't what you want. Now I say that having gone into the game hoping that the equals would win. So, you know, that is biasing my perception ever so slightly perhaps. Yeah, it showed me the case that he wants the call to be made the way that it would at any other times that the idea that you don't want the ref or the umpire making the decisive call in that moment. Yes. That you actually should want the making the kind of call that they would normally make, or else, in a sense, the referee empire is actually becoming a factor at that time because they're calling the game differently than they would. I could go either way on that. I certainly understand your perspective there, but he also made the case that maybe we actually have it a bit better in baseball because there are at least remedies for missed calls like in football just so much of it is a judgment call that it's almost impossible to imagine getting all those calls correct. In baseball, we could maybe have a great accurate robot zone and we have replay review and often it's kind of bang bang and it's yes or no, right. Whereas something like holding, it's just so subjective, right? And there are certainly some subjective baseball calls too, but a lot of them are a little more clear cut. Anyway, that wasn't the point I wanted to make. The point I wanted to make is that I came across the suggestion from 1937 when I was reading about the great former player max bishop, whose nickname was camera eye, which is a great nickname, and if you haven't looked up max bishop listener, do yourself a favor and do maybe one of the most selective hitters ever incredible walk rates without having great power, just an amazing sense of the strike zone, almost uncanny, and it's almost like an effectively wild hypothetical type like kid you influence umpires just by having some magical ability because it's really extraordinary that he walked as often as he did without being able to back it up with power threats. But while I was reading about camera, I came across this article that mentioned camera eye from September 1937, and this is from the cast county Democrat, missourian, although it's citing a sporting news piece, it says CE McBride of the Kansas City star has made a suggestion that would do baseball more good than any other change that has been made in many years. Every baseball fan should send judge kennesaw mountain Landis a vote for the McBride idea. The following lines are from a recent addition of the sporting news with the camera being employed on racetracks to determine close finishes, C McBride sports editor of the Kansas City star suggests its use in baseball to check up on the umpires. Quote, when the showmen of baseball go looking for innovations to lend color to the game, why don't they hit on the idea of establishing a camera eye off the coast of first base queries McBride on close decisions, the film could be quickly developed and given to the umpires and rival managers leave out the rival managers if you wish for study. There is many a decision at first base close enough for a photographic finish. So the idea was that if there was a close play at first, you'd take a picture somehow, you'd snap a picture, it would be like an automatic camera set up the way that they had recently started using it race tracks. And then you would rush the footage off to the dark room and, you know, sift it through the liquid and have the red lights and everything, and then rush the print back to the field. And then having developed the footage, you could then show everyone the printout and say, aha. The runner was actually safe. And I was trying to look up how long that would take exactly in the mid 1930s when they had just started to develop color photography that was widely available. I guess you wouldn't need that for this. But I think they could actually really rush the development and have it done in ten to 15 minutes. So that's the fastest they could do. We complained about some long replay review periods now. But imagine if a close play at first, someone snaps a picture, they rush it off to the darkroom and then in 15 minutes they come back with the printout and everyone just sort of stands around until then. How would that be for the spectator experience do you think? I think there'd be complaints, you know, there might be letters to the editor pen. I think we'd hear about it. Yeah, right. And senator was suggesting that was the best possible thing. It could be done for baseball. Which, again, I'm a replay review defender, you know? And I know people don't love it and think it's over applied or it takes too long. But back then, when they didn't have the option, at least one person was suggesting that we should just have a camera set up and go rush off and develop the footage and bring it back. That's how important it was to get those crucial calls right. So I think we're sort of spoiled now, you know? I know in football people get tired of trying to figure out was that technically a catch or not. But I think in baseball if replay review went away or was severely curtailed, we would miss it. We've become so accustomed to not getting egregious calls wrong at least on the basis. Well, and I think, you know, you can't, you can't have folks at home. Knowing a call is obviously wrong and have no remedy for undoing it. As soon as we got high def TV, you know? Then it was over. You had to have it before. You could hide mistakes and all those pixels. You can't do that anymore, but we can see those clear as day. All right, it is team preview time, so we're gonna do guardians first and then ranger second, the frame graphs, depth charts, projections, currently have them quite close, the guardians are projected for a 5 14 winning percentage, which is about 83 wins. The rangers nipping on their heels to 5 O 9, which is about 82 wins, and that's why they are paired together today. So we will bring you guardians first with
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on Grant’s Current Yield Podcast
"As a few bucks on a long shot and get the rush of making multiples of their money. They even get a free bet when they first sign up. Oops, sorry that actually is description of the online sports betting company DraftKings. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's so stupid that Somalia is wasting this money. They don't need better data. They need fewer smartphones. Well, I mean, if you look at Robinhood and you look at DraftKings or FanDuel or whatever, they look very similar. And it's no accident in my opinion that they look very similar. I mean, they're frictionless. They're intuitive. The colors are enticing the fonts or even oddly similar that they use. Let me draw one so I would take me to Yankee Stadium. He was a Yankee fan, annoyingly, I was a Dodger fan. But we want the egg stadium and the 1950s. It was an 1850s. Now, 1950s, yeah. And there was a sign right on the left field near the bullpen, he bullpen. And said, no betting, then what's that? Well, that judge kennesaw mountain Landis decree after the black Sox scandal. Or the black Sox scandal. So he learned about the history of gambling and how it was verboten and baseball. So fast forward a few. Yeah, a few generations now. And you find that is the revolution that wasn't remind you that betting on sports is endemic very, very much like betting on stocks. Both of bad odor from yesteryear both now part of the mainstream American culture, betting on sports led to scandals that corrupted the game in almost broke the business model, a Major League Baseball. Spencer, will there be a scandal of some kind, the press we're not even able to visualize now having to do with what they call the gamification of investing or speculation that will be similarly damaging to the business of capital allocation to its highest and most profitable uses. It's an ongoing scandal. I mean, that's what I think people miss about this is that you can sit back and you can just when people buy things on the basis of the greater fuel theory. And you know that it's the greater fool theory rather than you know that it's going to end badly. And you can not participate and wait for them to learn their lesson. But while they're learning their lesson, it distorts capital markets. And what's the reason for having capital markets?.
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on Heartland Newsfeed Radio Network
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Rick pitino a story of corruption scandal and the big business of college basketball first of all michael. How hard was it for you to get your head around this subject and its fastness and write this book. Well all books accounting and this one certainly was Because there are a lot of characters. I mean there. There's a big character and rick pitino And there's a big place in louisville meaning the university of louisville and the city itself but there are lots of peripheral characters and threads of the several criminal trials. That's that's currently going on. But what. I what. I thought was this. Current scandal really put names and faces and words to a lot of things that we suspected we're going on in the college basketball recruiting world and that's the direction i talked. I just sort of tried to wait out into that and sort it out and write it almost in a novel listrik. Where would look at this and want to turn the pages and figure out what happened and why you know like yourself myself and others that are in this business. We certainly have known about this for a particularly long period of time and i was so happy but surprised to see somebody take on this subject. Because it's really like jello in some ways just about the time. See shake one direction. It shakes the other direction. How did you deal with that aspect of this story. Well i think you have to allow yourself to be surprised and one that one. One of the aspects of that is Allow your imagination to roam free meaning. Not that you're making except that you think you look in the places you should look in this case you know what what i really discovered is that kids are being paid benefits The really good players by the time. They're in middle school. It's it's a grassroots basketball situation. So by the time the college curtis come around. You know families are saying well. Why can't you pay us or if you can't pay us Y you know why hasn't stopped now. Because hey we've been getting paid for years and i understand that by the way i don't blame the families because there are billions and billions and billions of dollars coursing through college sports Particularly men's basketball and football and You know it's a real question as to whether the families and the kids are are deserving some of it take me back. Where did all of this start. Well you know in terms of college basketball history. It starts from the very beginning one of the things that i said in the book and the book starts this way is imagine if the black socks gamble the nineteen nineteen scandal and what's the world series was thrown what if all those characters were somehow magically on the scene and you know mixing with players and befriending them in their favorite bars and there was kennesaw mountain landis and the split never got cleaned up. Well you know what that's college basketball college basketball had point shaving gambling problems from its very beginnings and it's had them almost every decade since and now it has recruiting scandals and the sport is a beautiful sport. It's also dirty sport and the reason that that's true is because there's this grey market created. There's this big divide between all the money that all kinds of people benefit from And virtually none of going to the players. Yeah it seems to me that there's perception and reality here and i don't think most people grasp that the perception is student athletes and their going and getting an education. The reality is student. Athletes generating a hell of a lot of money for for other people in universities university semi correct on that occasion. When you are correct. And i think you know these things are not mutually exclusive so something athletes including basketball and football players are getting an education and if they're self motivated the it's difficult by the way because they are athletes. I but that doesn't mean that if you generate forty five million dollars in revenue For a basketball team. Which is what the university of louisville was generating that if you're one of the thirteen scholarship players on the team that you're not deserving of a chunk of that you are the labor force this year an unpaid labor force. I want to do with that money. Instead is pay everybody with it but you the baseball coach at louisville who may in fact a great coach. He's getting paid a million bucks a year and that's better than a lot of major managers. Why is he getting paid. A million bucks a year because they gotta do something with the money and that is the really unjust aspect.
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on KQED Radio
"He, mike Hello, So it is not unheard of for there not to be a Hall of fame class. It's extremely rare. What happened this year? Yeah, it is extremely rare, and it's maybe unheard of when you have players of the quality as players. Some of the rejected players were So a 2nd and 3rd on the list and you mentioned showing a special case will get to him. 2nd 3rd getting about 61% of the vote each and you need 75% of the vote of the sports writers to get into the hall are Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds. Arguably the greatest offensive player of all time, and that includes Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron and Roger Clements. To my mind the best picture of the last 35 years, wait wire and stay in the Hall of Fame. The answer is, Of course, when you hear their names, I'm sure many of the listeners said, Well, P e DS they both took admitted to taking. You know, Bond says he didn't know Clemens is pretty clear that he took Performance enhancing drugs, and this is a disqualifier, although it's not extremely consistent because there is certainly members of the Hall of Fame who took performance enhancing drugs, and next year David Ortiz will be on the ballot and they're very credible reports At some point in his career, he took performance enhancing drugs. So it's a little bit of a morass and a mishmash about who gets in and who doesn't and who gets punished and it's confusing and I think to the world of baseball dispiriting situation. Yeah, I want to talk to you more about that mishmash. But let's talk a little bit about Curt Schilling, so he was just a few votes shy of making it this year. There's now this huge backlash. What? Why is he so controversial? So his resume would argue for inclusion in the hall. He's one of the best postseason pitchers of all time, You know, not one of the greatest pitchers. He's not maybe in the upper echelon of Hall of Fame members, but he deserves inclusion based on what he did on the field. What do you as a player? He was always seen his brash in its outspoken A lot of people didn't like him, but it's what he has done and said afterwards and 2016. He was fired by ESPN for Pretty vicious anti trans comments. He has since become a Cuban on adherent. He is not just a huge trump supporter, but he's very vocal about it. He perpetuates propaganda on January 6th the date of the insurrection. He was cheering on people who were in the crowd and protest Ng the discredited stolen vote theory. So that's who he is and Hall of Fame voters. Human beings who are baseball writers have said. I just will not vote for this guy based on who he's become what he represents and all So the fact that there is a clause in inclusion the very clause that precludes bonds and Clemens from getting in called the character clause about character and integrity. They don't think Curt Schilling lives up to that clause. Okay, let's talk more, though about that clause. I mean, some critics are saying that this whole process just shows how the Hall of Fame is. Voting system is broken, because not only is about performance, but it's about their personal lives, too. I mean, what do you think? Yeah, well, and also I mentioned that baseball writers of the ones who vote and that's It's a tough situation for them, In fact, an impossible situation for many and more more prominent baseball writers are saying, I don't want any part of this. You've given me an impossible task. I have to render a judgment on the goodness of people, not just the goodness of players and take into account that the character clause, character and integrity was written in the Hall of Fame started in the thirties and Written down on paper as the character clause in the forties, a time when African Americans could not play baseball, so the definition of character was beholden or upholding a system that literally precluded African Americans from participating in it. That's character. That's the morale it was written. The character clause was written by Kennesaw Mountain Landis. First commissioner of baseball who kept Jackie Robinson out of the major leagues, so there is so much it's such a tough position for the voters to be, and it's very hard to define what makes a hall of Famer given that we have this collision of the morality of 70 to 90 years ago to the morality of today, and this is why a lot of the writers of saying Leave me out of this. Okay, So Mike, is there? Is there an appetite for looking at Hall of Fame rules and reassessing them? Yeah, One suggestion I've seen from writers. Is you guys at the hall? Clear the people in terms of character. Take that off the table for May. Of course, The Hall of Fame doesn't want to do that. The Hall of Fame doesn't want to render judgment on character. And another idea is let us not have this voting. If you are very good will will act like a museum. Sometimes you put problematic artists in a museum, but you have a little plaque explaining who there they were. Maybe it should just be more about the history of baseball rather than baseball, conferring and Honor upon you. But there are you know, hundreds of people who deserve the honor would be a shame if when someone of fine character and excellent ability isn't allowed to be in the Hall of fame or isn't allowed to be in the same way that his forbearers were I only have, like 15 or 20 seconds with you. I just want to bring up with U. N B. 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"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"Right, Well, they wanna live in high castles, and they want to be the arbiters of what's right and wrong and that and that's the problem. That's the problem. And it won't be knowing full well knowing full well that that target Right and wrong has is its ever evolving. It's always moving it Z. I mean, if you can hit it good luck to you, because we don't know you got good aim. You got really good and you know, so that's the issue and the fact that they put And in this Hall of Fame, the Baseball Hall of Fame that is a critical piece of being elected. That's the flaw. Well, it's only a critical piece when they want to exercise it, and that's what makes it and used a critical piece. It's far too convenient. And it's far too erratic in terms of the application of that clause, and that that's my greatest. That's my greatest problem here. Um, you know, for, you know, for a long time. We had a deal with voters taking a stand. I know one gentleman who's a New York writing. Another name is named New York writing legend. I'm almost positive left the ballot empty. Because he wanted Jeter to be on the stage by himself. Okay, so he exercised that if you miss it by one vote, I mean, that's a big deal, and it is impacting. There's a direct correlation and by the way, take It's not just about the guys who just fell short yesterday, most specifically Schilling because Bonds and Clemens were low sixties a nominal jump from from previous years nominal right and next year is your number 10. We'll see what happens, But and then you have big poppy and and and a rod on the bill so that that's totally different, But it's not just the high end of the ballot. It's the low end of the ballot, too. If there's an irresponsibility to it to the process, right then, if you don't get 5% right away, then you're done. And there are players that may have eked out. I don't have it in front of, you know that this happened. Maybe the first year they get 12% doesn't seem to have any chance to get in, but over time circumstances Groundswell of support. Maybe a repositioning of data or statistics, right view forces these writers to kind of change how they view that player and they eventually get in. The point is is that they are trying to act like God and they're doing it. Not all of them. The overwhelming majority are good, decent people. But you can't tell me you can't tell me. Out of the 400 people that cast a vote yesterday or whatever they actually got it in. But you know what I mean for this year's hold the fame ballot that every one of them. Is a is a perfect human. Well, nobody's perfect. But every one of them is is compliant with the law and has never covered outside whether it's in a literal legal infraction or indiscretion. That's not quite breaking of the law but would be frowned upon by us by society. You can't tell me that and until the morality clause is flipped back at them. Okay, And they have to be held publicly. Accountable. All right, like the players do. It's not equitable. It's not right. And it's a waste of time. Yeah, it's a shit. And look, this is this is a story when in part because there was nobody in And in second part because Curt Schilling sent they a note private note that ended up becoming very public that he re shared multiple times, basically saying, I don't want to be on the ballot anymore, not necessarily maligning the Hall of Fame but maligning the writers who vote on the Hall of Fame and asked for him to be pulled off the ballot. Ondas Steering committee basically said you are you falling? You have two criteria that you pass one. You received a boat minimum. Ah, vote of minimum of 5% of all the ballots cast, which he obviously has done and two. He's eligible for the first time and nominated by any two of the six members. Of the baseball writing Association of America's Steering Committee. He fulfilled both of those requirements, so he's going to remain on the ballot, even though he said, Take me off the ballot they're going to. He's going to remain off the ballot, but the difference was between Curt Schilling and I think this is important. Between Curt Schilling and Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens. Is that Curt Schilling while you know some people can argue he's a Hall of Famer. If you just do it by the statistics, and his October successes you can you can argue he's a Hall of Famer, right? With Barry Bonds and Kurt and Roger Clemens there, No doubt Hall of Famers. I agree right in the on Lee thing that is, keeping them out. Doing that you could argue was whether they start taking it. But that's down a rabbit hole with. Actually, I sold bonds with 22 skinny but Clemens at the University of Texas great, skinny, Hold the faith. I would even say even if it's not even win. It's when they stop to taking it because at the time it wasn't illegal. It's at the end of the day wasn't illegal. Right. I remember the story. I like vividly Remember reading the story about Mark McGwire and this bottle of andro. There's in his locker on the ST Louis Dispatch. That's right. It was in his locker ready, eh? So clearly was, if it was a secret, it was the worst kept secret in the history of mankind that baseball players were taking performance enhancing substances. On de everybody accepted it. And, in fact, I remember that the article that followed that one was more like should we? As writers be reporting this and you know, it's just like, what's our What's our role in this? It was it was It was odd. And then a couple years the reporter was chastised for actually writing about it. That's right. Initially, that's exactly rest. And then ultimately we know what happened. His credential t. He probably did. B e. I didn't follow it downstream. But I remember reading. That is odd. Like what, Like this didn't feel right. Didn't sit right with me. And then we know what happened. A few years later, the steroids scandal exploded and blew up baseball. For a lot of for a lot of years. Yet the commissioner at the time who clearly was aware of these things, because I mean, I'm sure he read the newspaper right. He's in the Hall of Fame. You read it. I'm sure the commissioner's Bud Seelig Reddick, He's in the Hall of Fame. So if he didn't if he turned a blind eye for all these years, why is he excluded from the morality? Clause that affected his sport profoundly affected his sport. Yet the players they're the ones that are kept out are officially which is why I included Bud Selig on the list with Kennesaw Mountain Landis and some of the other players. The trip speakers. The Ty Cobb's The onus, Wagner's name Cap. Anson, That's You know, different levels of culpability, different infractions, different crimes. But, yeah, I'm told. It's just a sham and and I'm tired of playing along. It's a shame I've got people going on on TV looking us in the eyes. Who knows what demons and skeletons they're hiding? What do they think they're God in for injured people determining the fate of got from the time they were five years old, a lifelong quest to make it to the majors and eventually to the hold of fame. And he got some of these yo yos who couldn't throw a ball 6 ft on a fly determining who gets in company me a break. It's such a joke. I want to get into this, though coming up next because this is interesting for next year. You got numbers, right numbers aren't always enough is we just mentioned Clemens and bonds? But here comes a rod. And here comes big Poppy and big Poppy has always been perceived, even though he was on that list. Back in the day 2003 Mitch over. He was always on that, but it's a little different. All big poppy, a rod, the scorned villain. Hey, Poppy, the hero. We'll get to that. And what does that do? Maybe for Clemens and bonds and their ability to get intake insanity. CBS Sports radio. This is Tiki and Tierney on CBS Sports Radio. It's.
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"There were none. Okay, Cap, Anson. A name like Tress speaker. A name like obviously taik up somebody's right. Incredible night. Honus Wagner, the most profitable baseball card in existence. Orders Wagner. If you said right that a short list of the greatest names of all time I just mentioned four of them. Those names will be will be said, and rightfully so again. 3 50 average 3500 hits What you don't know about those about those players and hope not all of you. But most of you probably do not know is that those three players by multiple historians doesn't mean it's 100%. True, but by multiple historians have connected each of those gentlemen to the cake, All right, But yet you walk through the halls of Cooperstown. Wow! Trish, Speaker. Lifetime average 3 48 3420 something hits. My God, He must have been amazing. The other part's not told nearly as much as it needs to be. Kennesaw Mountain Landis, the first commissioner You talking about integrating the sport. He's universally have this The guy who who it should have been. It really could have been the 19 early forties if it wasn't for Landis, but he did not want it. That's why I took Jackie Robinson until 1947 to bust the color barrier. More recently, But Cilic alright bugs in all the fame I like, but we've had him on the show is a good man. But Bud ceiling Oversaw the most agree GIs era the most tainted here, the most scandal ridden era, and there's a lot of them in baseball history. Yet he's immortalized in Cooperstown and the guys who actually did the hard work like putting the ball over the fence or not. Now that that's just the shine the light of the inconsistencies of the museum. My problem now is with writers because they're a bunch of phone ease. We're at the point Now. There are rough, not all of them, and I know a lot of them a lot of good people. But there are roughly 400 voters for the major League for the baseball fame. Right 400 people determined immortality. Think about the inconsistency that's not congruent. And I'll tell you what if you want to talk about morality clause as we most certainly should. And as we have, it's gotta be evenly applied. Don't just apply to show because you don't like his politics don't just apply to bonds and Clemens because they took HGH and horse bills, and they destroyed the record book artificially, if you want to have a morality clause. Let's have the writers and the people who vote right for the most cherished spot in all the sport. They need to be held to the same standard. Because I'll tell you, I will tell you this. This is just human nature, okay? You go to any bar, you go to any school, you go to any movie theater. I guarantee there's somebody in there when it's not a pandemic, and you could actually be with civilization again. There is somebody who domestically abuse the spouse. There's somebody in there who was a drug or is a drug addict. That's a disease. I'm not looking at that quite like at all, like domestic abuse, but alcoholics, I guarantee, God forbid, Sadly, there's a few pedophiles in there. This is the world. OK, and I said, I know that this is incredibly wrong, but this stuff needs to change. For these sanctimonious people to sit there and vote and determine who goes in. I don't know what their lives are like. I guarantee you, though, Over the years that they've sat in the bar, whether they're overt racist or closet, racist or any of the other things I just mentioned. I guarantee that people who get on your TV and jump on radio stations You, You know, to a spouse us with their incredible baseball law. Whoa. I know the game. I know more than you. But you know what? Ah, lot of you, or maybe some of you to be here. Some of you, but definitely some of you have done the same thing. And things a plural that you are holding against players. It's a joke. It's a force. It's not equal. It's got to change. Yeah, Here's the product change. Here's the problem, Beatty and this is not a Baseball Writers Association of America Problem. This is not a very bonds or shilling problem. This is this is a world problem. The definition of morality is not a stable target. It moves and it and it shifts it involves it degrades. It does so many different things. And so when Kennesaw Mountain, Landis was elected into the Hall of Fame The fact that he was a blatant, overt racist was accepted and probably cherished and the community in which he lived and amongst the writers with who voted him. It wasn't it wasn't looked at is morally wrong, so and I'm not defending this at all, because it's it's reprehensible, and it's the battle that people of color and blacks in this country have fought for decades hundreds of years and are still fighting in some ways, But the reality is That was what they were voting on. They were voting on. Yeah, he said, morally upstanding man. He doesn't want black people that drink from the same water found. One of our people is one of us. It's great. The system in the same thing can be said about the steroid era because at the time the steroids weren't prohibited. There was nothing that said. You can't put it foreign substance that enhances your physical prowess into your body. There wasn't there was no definition on Major league baseball by laws, but morality shifted. It moved it flowing when Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and Martin Weir. It's all those guys when they were doing all of that stuff. It wasn't it wasn't looked at as this is really detrimental to the game, right? And so if we're going tol I agree with you, but I'm talking specifically about at the moment. Yeah, if you're gonna look at it. You know these tight Cobb's the world and all these people who are fans tried by text. You're sure Bye bye. Today's definition of morality. Okay are horrendous people. If you're not gonna take them out of the Hall of Fame based on this morality, then you can't prohibit A guy like, um, Barry Bonds or or Roger Clemens or a rod or whoever from getting into the Hall of Fame. That's right now, but but the problem is, that's not how people think..
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP
"Baseball's a funny thing, you know, in this Hall of Fame stuff. The guys, men and women that are in that Baseball Writers Guild that vote for the Hall of Fame are the same ones that Dole out the postseason awards, right guys. It was the same ones. Do you know which player in MLB History has the most Cy Young Awards ever? With seven. Roger Clemens. Roger Clemens. Do you know which player in baseball history has the most N V P awards ever with seven Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds? Who said the most home runs in baseball history very but I'm sorry to say Technically, it's not Hank Aaron. It's Barry Bonds, who has the most hits in baseball history. Natural. No Hate Rose. That's that's actually that's true. That's true. P Rose has the most hits in MLB history. No, they're not in the Hall of Fame. And Pete's indiscretions were very different. And you know, Pete sort of broke a tie Least You could argue if like you're against peeping, and you'd say, Well, it sort of is the cardinal sin of baseball, You know, they put it in. They tried toe baseball meant What football means today to this country. I think baseball meant even exponentially more back then. I mean baseball was everything in this go back and read the history of baseball around the turn of the century through the 19 twenties. Baseball was everything to from a sporting standpoint, and even beyond that, what it represented Culturally baseball is everything in this country and the Black Sox scandal put a very big black eye, of course on the sport. And so baseball came out very heavy fist that I guess you'd say, right? You're in Kennesaw Mountain Landis. Who was no picnic in his own, right, But they were found innocent court working. Yeah, they were. They were found in this important still punished. Yeah. So they had their day. They think it's cool, Henry. With that to have their day in court. You mean chicanery in court? You mean the courts could be crooked? Oh, no. But anyway, if you hear that baseball sort of felt like at the time we need to do this. Because we have to restore people's faith in the game because it meant so much. Two people in this country at the time, and so you could sort of like in a way you could kind of see Why they've taken the stance and they've stuck to it with Pete. But your your all time hits leader. The guy that your voters voted. M v p Your voters voted seven time Cy Young, the guys that were the best that their positions are not in your museum. Your Hall of Fame A. It's It's very ironic. I mean, they're the ones that handed the awards out. Right there. Well, I'm supposed to believe nobody had a clue. Thank you. I mean, like, Thank you. Just it. They could hide behind whatever guys they want to hide behind. But there were the keepers, right? Hold on. What is it? Let me put the quotations out the keepers of the game sleeping and if you want to switch, some would say intentionally sleeping it switch And if you want to start talking like the owners Yes, some sort of morality clause or or I don't even know what they call it, and they don't call it a morality clause but were soon if we're going to start taking character and doing account you better start going through. And removing plaques from your Hall of Fame. You better get Ty Cobb's plaque out of the Hall of Fame. Well, that's debatable now. Why is that Because there's been they a lot of the Stories around Ty Cobb are actually was the not true they're believed to be, um, anecdotes and total. Thank you any total by believe it or not a sports writer who had a dislike for Tai Ka. There's a shock, and now I'm like, I think it was 2015. There's extensive. There's an extensive book and then several articles written about college calling into question title is the legitimacy of Ty Cobb actually being a bad guy. God. All right. How about Gaylord Perry, who's admitted to cheating? Was an actual cheater. Killer pairs admitted it. Trying to game the system. Trying to game the system how that worked countless stories of players throughout history. That have talked openly. About the cheating that was going on with different eras of base I've got no, I got no problem with Pete Rose. I've got no problems with any of the guys that were used in poor performance enhancing drugs. I've got no problem with an individual that was doing anything over the course of time. Here is what gets me. It's absolutely ass tonight. I think Bonds Clemens. Pete Rose just put him in, but especially for bonds and Clemens. Jeff, Jeff Bagwell, Ivan Rodriguez and Mike Piazza are all in the Hall of Fame. Within the last five years. That's right. All had plenty of rumors surrounding PDS and their performance. Ivan Rodriguez is human bobblehead doll in the end, I mean, he's probably did a tremendous disappearing act. What happened there? We all of a sudden in shape again, given Bob Conseco name him in his book? Yes, I don't recall. To be honest, so I mean Like I don't understand. Why do those three get in? But bonds and Clemens who have better careers don't what happens next year. There are two first timers next year. That are certainly one is is you know is beyond the lock. On merit and what he did on the field. Yes, in an era where a lot of players cheated himself included, But Alex Rodriguez is on the ballot next year. Is Alex Rodriguez gonna be left off? Is David Ortiz gonna be left off? See if they do that They're going to go another year without putting a player in based on what we just saw. Hey. Rod and Manny Ramirez. I can wrap my head around because they both failed. They were suspended right there, Soldier. Major League baseball put in place a steroid policy, you know, write a concrete p d pop. Like if you wanted to draw the line with those two, particularly because they had your suspensions. I can at least get on board with that. But Bonds and Clemens like versus Piazza, Bagwell and I've honorees. I've yet to hear a good explanation why those three got in? With because it's just more I don't know. Maybe it was more speculation There seemed to be more direct evidence linking Clemens and Bonds but again, none Wherever caught red handed, were they That anybody? I mean, I know, I know that was the court case, the whole Belco court case against Barry Bonds. And But Clemens was just climbed one because Andy Pettitte gut looking with it, too, wasn't he? Wasn't Clemenza Quit, too? Yeah, I thought he was. I mean, you know, like, so, what are we doing exactly? And I mean, you are the writers, then to your point Miller, the writer is not going to put a rod in next year..
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on ESPN Chicago 1000 - WMVP
"Police Buster, Don't you said with that being said, Obviously, those guys were at high performers prior to any of the PD stuff. Is it because there's a vendetta against them on how they dealt with the media and in some people's minds that vote how they were treated. Key. I don't think that did. I think that on Lee because their cases got so much attention, PDS, you know bonds, all the attention that with the BALCO case and leading up to when he passed, Henry Aaron is the all time home run. King Clemens, you know was in the Mitchell report like bonds. Making the the appearance before Congress. I think at that time a lot of writers because those two guys were getting so much attention. Um, decided. You know what? I I? I'm just not I'm going to hide behind the character clause. Which, by the way, the words are believed have been written by Kennesaw Mountain Landis to his segregationist who worked to keep African Americans out of baseball. Um, you know, writers hid behind that and decided they were gonna vote for bonds and Clemens again. Despite the context that I talked about with a sport during that time, So when you look at Curt Schilling, he has to be removed off the ballot in his final year. What do you make of why he felt that way? Well, um anybody follows him on social Media knows his feelings about the media. Uh, you know, and having worked with shell on Sunday night baseball. It doesn't surprise me. You know his level of anger feeling that you know, the writers really aren't qualified to judge him. And that was part of the note that he wrote to the Hall of Fame that in a paraphrasing here that he really feels like that, you know he would respect the judgment of his peers on special committees. Versus where the writers are Now. I think there's precedent for the Hall of Fame, You know, next year Schill Shillings last year on the ballot, I suspect that probably tell shilling Look, we're not going to change our process for you. Norton Justus. We wouldn't change it for any other player, You know. Good luck to you. Plus it is this damage the long term health of the sport. I don't. I don't think it damages long term health of this sport, But I do because you know, baseball fans absolutely revere the history of the sport so much they love the numbers. They love the stories. You know they love going to the Hall of Fame. I do think the Hall of Fame needs to take more leadership on this issue, And I think the baseball writers need to force them to do that. By basically saying, Look, you know we're tired of being Ah. You know, Basically taking the bullets for the Hall of Fame when it comes to questions of character is that the Hall of Fame puts Manny Ramirez in the ballot, despite the fact that you know, he was suspended twice by baseball. You know, they put other players ours who've been suspected of domestic violence a ped users. They need their needs to be a declaration from the Hall of Fame about their feelings about whether or not these players satisfied the character clause. If they're going to use the character clause, the writers shouldn't allow themselves. To essentially take all those bullets for the Hall of Fame. They should force the Hall of Fame. Look, Do you want these guys in the Hall of Fame or not give us some direction if they don't baseball writer shouldn't be doing the voting. And last thing for you, Buster. I mean, let's be honest. I mean, David Ortiz has been affected by all of the talk. Alex Rodriguez has been affected by all of the talk. Both are eligible to go into Cooperstown next year, along with guys like Mark to share and Jimmy Rollins. That's a bull face list. But considering the way the voters have treated the three guys we just talked about how do you size up big poppy? And a Rod. Have you been? I wrote in the fall of 2016 that the writers better get ahead of this, and they needed to anticipate how they were gonna handle David Ortiz's case because there was a story in The New York Times about 13 years ago that Ortiz was on the list of players. Tested positive in 2003 on DSA. Oh, if they were going to have this standard, which I've made clear I disagree with if they were gonna have the standard of any player tied to PDS. Was not going to be considered for the Hall of Fame. They had to anticipate what they were going to do with Ortiz. The fact is, you know, David Ortiz is someone who's well liked on. I'm gonna be really fascinated to see how the writer's hand who voted have voted against Clemens and Bonds. You know, will handle the Ortiz case, because if they don't vote for you know, Clemens and bonds while voting forties. It's total hypocrisy. I couldn't agree with you more. Buster goes in further detail in a piece that's posted right now on ESPN dot com That says popular Poppy will be an important Hall of Fame litmus test. That is the headline that will be talking about likely one year. From today. Check it out right now. Very complicated Case with David Ortiz. Certainly as beloved as much as Schilling is reviled by many Buster Thank you very much. Great to be with you this morning, Buster. You guys Go, Dodgers fellas, I'll tell you this. Here's the indication so we talk about Bonds and Schilling and Clements. Each guy has gotten progressively more votes every single year that sometimes one thing that's not brought up. You need 75% to get into the Hall of Fame. That is the threshold this year, Barry Bonds got an all time high. 61.8% this year, Shilling got an all time high 71.1%,.
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader
"List on a Tuesday, January 26. 2021 the dead week before Super Bowl hype. There's no Super Bowl hype next week, I'd do you read that the one of the odd things about this is that there will be no arrival. Week before, remember, you know, he always arrive on the Sunday and Monday see him coming on the tarmac And then, of course, Media Night. Remember last year when Jimmy G. There they were those all white sweats. Remember those They look like they're going to the next level member. Those Nikes on Heaven's Gate. That was their big thing comes. Remember that cult in the nineties and you gotta have the right shoes wipe themselves out, and they found them. They fail found them. They all drank the arsenic, and they're all wearing sweat pants and Nikes like kind of cool like he's too like they said that they What a gold swoosh. They were pretty cool, and they were like all these these these black sweats, and they said that the their mantra their manifesto was that they were going to go to the next level. Next level of existence was Became a running joke. Probably you want your feet to be comfortable when you climb that stairway to heaven. They basically Yeah, That's what that's what the NFL players look like. Last year in those white sweats. Remember that, Jimmy, Dear Nick Bosa and those white sweatshirt Hoody two? Yeah, Yeah. Go on the breast. Remember that Do you do they were you know is Jimmy wearing that is he goes down to the store to get a smoothie. Forget about that. I'm still trying to remember. I think that was when Jimmy was wearing the all whites during the Super Bowl media. I think that was in the pre Jimmy must go where? Two. I don't. I don't think they were. They were beating the drums to get Jimmy at it was in the preaching. He must go era. Jimmy must go era, I think was born when he the moment the ball, he overthrew Emmanuel Sanders, and it touched the moment the ball hit the grass. I agree with you. That's exactly when the clock started ticking if that's all right. That's when the whole thing started. But I would challenge that There were rumblings after Remember, Remember, they win the NFC Championship and everyone's like, man, he only through it eight times. Yeah, that's true. There were rumblings, but we weren't upset because they were on their way. So you know there was that was when I think the foundation was going away. Definitely doesn't trust him. Yeah, you know, you know what? I think it just reached absolute fever pitch was the loss in Seattle this year. Well, I was really bad. That's bad for everybody. Yeah, he looked. It's the worst. He had looked the whole long time. The awful the whole team, though there was the whole game was just a troll. Miami wasn't very good at Miami. Damn where he was. He couldn't planets foot. Remember that. We should have been out there over. Yeah, I remember that game forever. Shut out him. All right. What We got buddy 7 30 this morning. The power hour starts with my crew. Go talking Hall of Fame Day. Yeah, and they may not let anybody in the room get in. Well, I mean, the only three you have a chance or bonds, Clemens and Schilling. Dude who Last seen endorsing the insurrection on Capitol Hill. Sure, sure, I'm so put him in. I'm a big believer in like, Don't let personal politics affected But that might be a step too, for that's a pretty severe you know about charging the capital. But you can't You can't let it affect your vote for him for baseball Hall of Water, Boys get a wrist softer is a lot of water boy says if they don't put a man did he make you May storm the whole nine Shillings storm the holidays. Down goes the glass on the Cooperstown s. So what do we got? We got him walking out with like somebody's bus. Dude, somebody's podium. He's carrying his Nellie. Nellie Fox is busted and I'm walking and I got my fur vest on. Dude, I got like bare chest for Best man instead of a giant Q letter of holding a gigantic J and everybody's like, What's that for him like this for Jack Clark, who don't want Jack Clark in the hall, just like walk around in giant Oh, assuming breaking into Kennesaw Mountain Landis, his office did. He's taking his feet up on the desk. Yeah. Oh,.
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on Scoops with Danny Mac
"They're working guys on here. That i think are hall of famers. I go for ten and that means that i am damaging the chances of the other four. So what tools do i have at my disposal to answer the question that the hall is asked me which is not who a hall of famer. It's who's worthy of the whole thing. All the sportsmanship clause Is one of those tools that i use To pair it down to trim it to say okay. Well you know this guy is not as worthy of the hall is others. Because i have a question about how satisfied satisfies this clause with fewer than ten. I don't need to use the tools jerem and you know the the clause goes back to amount you know kennesaw mountain landis the inner At the time of the hall the introducing so he obviously has a has controversial stewardship of baseball His role in the segregation. Baseball is well known and while disgust. And there's a big reason why his name has been dropped from the mvp award in terms of some of the writers. Not even they admit a ballot but not a vote I'm not sure i agree with that. Derek i think it's a privilege to have that that honor of of turning a ballot in the not even have a vote until you're telling me there's aren't there aren't hall of famers on that list. I i'm not sure i can agree with that. I don't know i'm gonna there. There's almost to converse I understand if you look at the ballot and you go. There's not a hall of famer in my opinion on that ballot. I'm a small high. And it's either ken griffey junior or no one And get that. I i mean i. I don't agree with it. But i can understand why someone would adopt a small hall. The elite of the elite You know mentality. Now they can defend it What gets me is the blank ballot. Then detracts from every other voter You know it's different than submitting a ballot with one or two or six just because of the very fact that zero is different than a one or two six. If you send in about one name checked you're adding to the process if you send in a blank ballot you are quite literally only detracting from it. You're only subtracting those on because it takes three votes of your peers to overcome your one blank. And that's where i kinda that's that it's worth. It gives me pause is not because of the opinion. I get that you can have this opinion. But it's about the message that you're sending data their voters who put in a lot of time And that's sort of a respect for the process respect for other writers and people clearly vehemently disagree with me on it I stand by it And if somebody sends in a blank ballot. All i ask is that they explain their reasoning in those terms. Not just in terms of how they didn't think anybody was eligible but in terms of that. They thought that their ballot should not just should just only subtract from other voters. Yeah not contribute. And i'll ask you a final question. Who do you think it in in. Twenty twenty one..
"kennesaw mountain landis" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM
"Jim, that's okay. Not much. Not much going on anyway. Around here. Great to talk to you. Thanks and have fun this weekend. We will. Thanks a lot, Dan. Happy New Year. That's Jim Donovan. He's the play by play voice of the Cleveland Browns. He's been he was doing local sports. I might have been in Dayton, Ohio. At the time. Jim's been around Bill in Cleveland Sports a long, long, long time. Let's see. Go around the room Best worse the weekend. Then I'm gonna bring back a little bit of what Sal Pal had to say. And then David public talking about Trevor Laurence. I had not heard that. Critique of him. Todd Start with you My best of the weekend. Justin Fields performances. Clemson New Year's Day bounces right back after the targeting hit to his ribs, 385 yards 60 days. He also ran for another 42 worst of the weekend. Kansas Jayhawks Hoops on Saturday 25 point loss, allowing five different Texas players scoring in double digits, most lopsided win by an opponent in the history. Of Allen Fieldhouse, McLovin. My best is gonna be you for your draft. Call Logan Thomas, who again was awesome. Last night. I told you he was gonna be a great NFL player. He's like one of those gifted tight as I've ever seen, like 60. Great catch last night. My worst is gonna be I better go back to Liberty Coastal Carolina liberties trying to run out the clock. They're letting him run to the end zone. And he's about to take a knee and is tight and jumped on his back and causes a fumble to push the game to overtime. Liberty wins anyway. Seat, no counter. My best of the weekend was watching Ohio State dismantle Clinton in the Sugar Bowl on Lee to wake up to find out that Michigan was extending Jim Harbaugh. Ah! That was a double win for Ohio State. They get credit for two wins. Wait, wait, wait. They're they're extending. Horrible, like man. How much better can it get for one school, Huh? Creepers. My worst of the of the weekend was, uh, Kyrie and Katie both missing potential game winning shots at the end of the game against the Wizards. Gonna have somebody club got to have somebody collect on Latino. Maybe need LeBron folly. Best and worst. I'm gonna go back. A few days, Dan, you know, on New Year's Eve, the whole families gathered around watching the offer pad Arizona bawl and bawl states. 71 took down a rank San Jose state team. I'm just doing the second mention Ball, State receiver Yo Heinz Tyler. Wonderful lines. You love your yo Heinz. Worst or weirdest of the weekend. You know, I like Sam Howl, the quarterback of U. N. C. During the Orange Bowl luncheon. He was interviewed and he said he basically only eats chicken. All day every day since he's a kid. That's his only real meal. He's some type of chicken. But like chicken nuggets, Sam hold a quarterback at UNC or Chicken tenders, and then the reporters doing a fine job asked him to follow up. He's never had a bite of steak or hamburger, his life. Has had AH hot dog, but otherwise he's on Lee Chicken nuggets and chicken tenders. Kind of like my nine year old but Sam how UNC has never had steak barbecue seafood pizza. Mm. Is that stunning? He's like 20 years old. That's gonna hurt his draft stock. Really? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. Should we step in Well, if if his parents can't help him, and you know, the training tables are usually pretty good and right college North Carolina's a barbecue would think I would think his other favorite meal is pasta and butter. Yeah. If they don't have chicken tenders just have some penny with some butter. Yeah, it's a kids. That's a kid's meal. He's on the sidelines of the juice box. Uh, James in Virginia. Hey, James. Congratulations. Man. Happy Monday, man. Happy New Year we are Washington. Now I appreciate that, man. I don't care what anybody says about Philadelphia. I loved that man. You did a fantastic job calling that game. I don't know what anybody's talking about. But awesome religious man. It has been five years. It hasn't not 18 years like Cleveland, like the guy just had on. But five years in Washington has been in the playoffs, Man. I don't know what's gonna happen. It's gonna be a tough call against Tom. Terrific, but it's exciting that they're gonna be, uh, Sunday night football on the Saturday night football, man. So I'm really excited like you. Best of the weekend. Man has gotta be Derrick Henry man in the league full of passing And quarterback. You still see how running game can accept a game tremendously? This guy is fantastic. 63 to 40 0? No, Maybe this looks like a beast. Think running down the field really like it and I finish off. Then I called him before the season. I said she's packers. I feel good. I like it, man. If if the Chiefs don't make it, I think the Packers win it all members of the cheese, get back to see them too much and have a great one guy's things to get. Thank you, James. Derrick Henry turns 27 today. He has Played 78 games and he has 5800 yard. He's 1/100 on the all time rushing list. He said 4 200 yard rushing games in his last 17 regular season games. Jim Brown and Barry Sanders each had four in their entire careers. He's had four in the last 17 regular season games. Static the days ahead of the day that passed out of the day. Stat of the day it comes that what stat of the day Sao Paulo Antonio was with us in the second hour of the show and Philadelphia based reporter for the Mothership. And, uh, he had some strong words about the Eagles performance or lack there of here is a portion of that interview. If on me and from the NFL, Um I'm Roger Goodell. I'm putting on my Kennesaw Mountain Landis pants on right now. And I'm doing a forensic investigation of what went down..